Date: 24/06/2021 11:36:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1754761
Subject: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
The Tom Cruise deepfake that set off ‘terror’ in the heart of Washington DC
It only became clear what Chris Ume had unleashed in the days after his TikTok Tom Cruise videos went viral in February this year. Then fear started to set in.
Suddenly it felt like the whole world was watching. In a few days, one of the videos, seemingly showing the Hollywood superstar teeing off at the golf course, already had 2.5 million views.
Then it kept climbing to 10 million and beyond. TikTok Tom was becoming a global phenomenon.
More…
Date: 24/06/2021 12:25:37
From: Ogmog
ID: 1754800
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Date: 24/06/2021 12:31:33
From: Cymek
ID: 1754804
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Ogmog said:
it was inevitable
Yes
I imagine in the near future, official videos (at the very least) are going to need watermarks and digital certificates to authenticate them (ones hard to fake) as being real.
Date: 24/06/2021 23:36:06
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1755036
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
I don’t get it.
Nobody would watch that.
Date: 24/06/2021 23:37:18
From: sibeen
ID: 1755037
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
mollwollfumble said:
I don’t get it.
Nobody would watch that.
Hasn’t it gotten something like a million views?
Date: 25/06/2021 01:05:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755062
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Mostly the damage is fake porn using someone famous who is not a porn star.
They superimpose someone famous onto a porn actor using digital imaging software.
Date: 25/06/2021 01:09:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 1755066
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Mostly the damage is fake porn using someone famous who is not a porn star.
They superimpose someone famous onto a porn actor using digital imaging software.
Making it a good idea to keep your face turned away from cameras.
Date: 25/06/2021 01:18:35
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755072
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Mostly the damage is fake porn using someone famous who is not a porn star.
They superimpose someone famous onto a porn actor using digital imaging software.
Making it a good idea to keep your face turned away from cameras.
You could get politicians saying anything.
You could get business people saying anything.
You could get anyone saying anything.
Hence the need for a digital certificate of some kind, they have been around for a while for use in photography copyright.
Date: 25/06/2021 01:25:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755073
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Looking for creative ways, you could bring back actors from the past place them into whole new movies or remakes.
Date: 25/06/2021 01:28:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1755075
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Looking for creative ways, you could bring back actors from the past place them into whole new movies or remakes.
You know, I’ve spent my whole life attempting to create the realism that is our living breathing existence in the mindscapes of my peers bbut sadly they seem to spend their entire existence looking for something else.
Basically I’ve been wasting my time.
Date: 25/06/2021 01:31:42
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755082
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Looking for creative ways, you could bring back actors from the past place them into whole new movies or remakes.
You know, I’ve spent my whole life attempting to create the realism that is our living breathing existence in the mindscapes of my peers bbut sadly they seem to spend their entire existence looking for something else.
Basically I’ve been wasting my time.
I tend to see variance rather than the one fixed way approach
books with alternative endings
movies with alternate endings
songs performed with different lyrics
Date: 25/06/2021 01:49:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755086
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Looking for creative ways, you could bring back actors from the past place them into whole new movies or remakes.
You know, I’ve spent my whole life attempting to create the realism that is our living breathing existence in the mindscapes of my peers bbut sadly they seem to spend their entire existence looking for something else.
Basically I’ve been wasting my time.
I tend to see variance rather than the one fixed way approach
books with alternative endings
movies with alternate endings
songs performed with different lyrics
Does it mean all the actors in remakes have wasted their time?
Classical music played using different instruments.
Classical music played by a different orchestra.
Sometimes remakes flop, flipity flop.
Sometimess remakes might be better
Sometimes the originals are better.
Date: 25/06/2021 02:01:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755089
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
We’ve been to used to the Hollywood / western style approach of making movies as a single cut with no variance of endings,
Same in music videos
Same in theatre
Same in books
Along came the directors cut editors cut and other forms of variance, extended cuts special editions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director%27s_cut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Versions_of_works
What is a Director’s Cut? Every Type of Director’s Cut Explained
https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/what-is-a-directors-cut/
22 Director’s Cuts That Massively Changed Their Original Movies
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/best-directors-cuts/
Date: 25/06/2021 02:10:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 1755092
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
We’ve been to used to the Hollywood / western style approach of making movies as a single cut with no variance of endings,
Same in music videos
Same in theatre
Same in books
Along came the directors cut editors cut and other forms of variance, extended cuts special editions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director%27s_cut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Versions_of_works
What is a Director’s Cut? Every Type of Director’s Cut Explained
https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/what-is-a-directors-cut/
22 Director’s Cuts That Massively Changed Their Original Movies
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/best-directors-cuts/
Bring out the list of Weinstein’s directors cuts?
Date: 25/06/2021 02:27:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1755093
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
We’ve been to used to the Hollywood / western style approach of making movies as a single cut with no variance of endings,
Same in music videos
Same in theatre
Same in books
Along came the directors cut editors cut and other forms of variance, extended cuts special editions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director%27s_cut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Versions_of_works
What is a Director’s Cut? Every Type of Director’s Cut Explained
https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/what-is-a-directors-cut/
22 Director’s Cuts That Massively Changed Their Original Movies
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/best-directors-cuts/
Bring out the list of Weinstein’s directors cuts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_films_by_studio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Weinstein_Company_films
Date: 25/06/2021 04:03:22
From: Ogmog
ID: 1755095
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Mostly the damage is fake porn using someone famous who is not a porn star.
They superimpose someone famous onto a porn actor using digital imaging software.
Making it a good idea to keep your face turned away from cameras.
You could get politicians saying anything.
You could get business people saying anything.
You could get anyone saying anything.
Hence the need for a digital certificate of some kind, they have been around for a while for use in photography copyright.
The possibilities boggles the mind
“THEY” might even make Donald Dump SEEM to make sense…
and Barak Obama sound like the blithering idiot
It could even negate the old Richard Prior bit about his wife catching him red handed;
“I was NOT fuking her! Baby…who you gonna believe, ME or Your Lyin’ Eyes?” 8-o /-X<
but all kidding aside
the things nefarious people could make others BELIEVE all manor of things without said certificates
Date: 25/06/2021 04:12:31
From: Ogmog
ID: 1755096
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
mollwollfumble said:
I don’t get it.
Nobody would watch that.
NOBODY wants to watch Tom Cruise chip golf balls
…or for that matter, piss up a dangling rope!
That isn’t the point
the point is Demonstrating The ABILITY to FOOL
credible people into Witnessing that which never happened In Reality.
Date: 25/06/2021 05:15:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1755097
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
“Foreign Correspondent” (ABC TV) last night had a story on this. And it really is scary what can be done. I wouldn’t do Hamish Macdonald justice by giving you a precis. Well worth a watch on iView.
Date: 25/06/2021 06:10:46
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1755101
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
Ogmog said:
the point is Demonstrating The ABILITY to FOOL
credible people into Witnessing that which never happened In Reality.
Or, more likely, give a level of deniability to public figures. “Wasn’t me, must be a deep fake”.
BTW, at this stage the method relies on a massive library of archival video footage of the subject, so is only useful for world leaders and movie stars. But who knows what lays ahead…
Date: 25/06/2021 06:14:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1755103
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
so just like 40 000 years ago we weren’t able to trust video footage, within the next 40 000 hours we’ll no longer be able to trust video footage, what an incredible turn of events literally
Date: 25/06/2021 11:37:53
From: transition
ID: 1755190
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
SCIENCE said:
so just like 40 000 years ago we weren’t able to trust video footage, within the next 40 000 hours we’ll no longer be able to trust video footage, what an incredible turn of events literally
apparently industrial production of perfume has been around for 4000 years or more, which may seem completely unrelated to the thread title, and maybe it is unrelated, but it need not be entirely
Date: 25/06/2021 11:45:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1755193
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
so just like 40 000 years ago we weren’t able to trust video footage, within the next 40 000 hours we’ll no longer be able to trust video footage, what an incredible turn of events literally
apparently industrial production of perfume has been around for 4000 years or more, which may seem completely unrelated to the thread title, and maybe it is unrelated, but it need not be entirely
Took a lot of years to do something about the stink?
Date: 25/06/2021 14:27:05
From: transition
ID: 1755309
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
so just like 40 000 years ago we weren’t able to trust video footage, within the next 40 000 hours we’ll no longer be able to trust video footage, what an incredible turn of events literally
apparently industrial production of perfume has been around for 4000 years or more, which may seem completely unrelated to the thread title, and maybe it is unrelated, but it need not be entirely
Took a lot of years to do something about the stink?
I watched foreign correspondent, and thought how much better regular TV smelled after a whiff of deep fakes, I also wondered why Larry my pet dog wasn’t greatly moved by moving pictures with sound on the electric rectangle
Date: 25/06/2021 14:39:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1755319
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
yes yes imagine if people ever lied or were otherwise untruthful what a world it would be
Date: 25/06/2021 15:03:57
From: transition
ID: 1755333
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
SCIENCE said:
yes yes imagine if people ever lied or were otherwise untruthful what a world it would be
people ‘adjust’ reality all the time, for their preferred explanations, in the service of, the other day I heard someone on the electric rectangle talking about a survey, to do with honesty of politicians, the person managed to get a ‘distraction’ into that
the person said just out of curiosity they compared such and such, I said yeah right, political animal like that into activism, did it just out of curiosity………..how likely is that
so there are these special abilities people have for politically neutral curiosity, they are sort of accidents, happen upon interesting things, involve a wandering impartiality, and probably just as keenly unfind inconvenient things also i’d reckon
Date: 25/06/2021 15:19:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1755338
Subject: re: Deep Fakes and Digital Content Provenance.
transition said:
the person said just out of curiosity they compared such and such, I said _yeah right, political animal like that into activism, did it just out of curiosity..
28 perfectly ordinary words, but almost certainly never used before in that particular order.