Date: 1/07/2021 13:54:07
From: fsm
ID: 1758400
Subject: Trump Investigation

New York State’s Trump Investigation: An Analysis of the Reported Facts and Applicable Law

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017a-5daa-d92f-a1fe-ddea56cf0000

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Date: 1/07/2021 22:49:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1758692
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The New York Times
2 hrs ·
Breaking News: Allen Weisselberg, a top executive at the Trump Organization, surrendered to the Manhattan district attorney’s office to face charges, officials said.

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Date: 1/07/2021 22:52:04
From: Rule 303
ID: 1758694
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

sarahs mum said:


The New York Times
2 hrs ·
Breaking News: Allen Weisselberg, a top executive at the Trump Organization, surrendered to the Manhattan district attorney’s office to face charges, officials said.

It’ll be like some kind of bonfire of vain people.

;-)

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Date: 1/07/2021 22:55:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1758696
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

sarahs mum said:


The New York Times
2 hrs ·
Breaking News: Allen Weisselberg, a top executive at the Trump Organization, surrendered to the Manhattan district attorney’s office to face charges, officials said.

Top Trump Executive Allen Weisselberg Surrenders to Face Charges
The Trump Organization and Mr. Weisselberg have been indicted in connection with a tax investigation and are expected to appear in court later Thursday.

By Ben Protess, William K. Rashbaum and Jonah E. Bromwich
July 1, 2021

Donald J. Trump’s long-serving chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, surrendered on Thursday to the Manhattan district attorney’s office as he and the Trump Organization prepared to face charges in connection with a tax investigation, people with knowledge of the matter said.

The exact charges were not yet known. Prosecutors were expected to unseal an indictment later in the day against Mr. Weisselberg and the Trump Organization, the real estate business that catapulted Mr. Trump to tabloid fame, television riches and ultimately, the White House.

Mr. Weisselberg, accompanied by his lawyer, Mary E. Mulligan, walked into the Lower Manhattan building that houses the criminal courts and the district attorney’s office about 6:20 a.m. He is expected to appear in court in the afternoon along with representatives of the Trump Organization.

The charges against the Trump Organization and Mr. Weisselberg — whom Mr. Trump once praised for doing “whatever was necessary to protect the bottom line” — emerged from the district attorney’s sweeping inquiry into the business practices of Mr. Trump and his company.

As part of that inquiry, the prosecutors in the office of the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., had been examining whether Mr. Weisselberg failed to pay taxes on valuable benefits he and his family received from Mr. Trump, including private school tuition for at least one of his grandchildren, free apartments and leased cars.

The prosecutors, who are also working with lawyers from the office of the New York State attorney general, Letitia James, have also investigated whether the Trump Organization failed to pay payroll taxes on what should have been taxable income.

Ms. Mulligan declined to comment on her client’s surrender. In a statement, the Trump Organization said Mr. Weisselberg was being used as a “pawn in a scorched-earth attempt to harm the former president.”

“The district attorney is bringing a criminal prosecution involving employee benefits that neither the I.R.S. or any other district attorney would ever think of bringing,” the statement read. “This is not justice; this is politics.”

Mr. Trump was not expected to face charges Thursday. But an indictment of the company that carries his name strikes a blow to the former president just as he has resumed holding rallies. Even if Mr. Trump parlays the charges into some immediate good will from his supporters — he has denounced the investigation as political persecution — he could face the costly distraction of a trial if he attempts to mount another presidential campaign.

The charges also could strain his company’s finances and jeopardize its relationship with business partners who had stood by the Trump Organization even after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, which prompted a backlash against the former president.

Mr. Trump won the presidency by portraying himself as a political outsider with the business acumen to shake up Washington. But the company whose name he made famous on his reality television show, “The Apprentice,” might eventually be associated as much with criminal charges as it is with the hotels and golf courses that bear his name. If the company is found guilty, it could face fines or other penalties.

Mr. Trump mentioned the investigation only in passing during a Fox ​News town hall appearance Wednesday. As he listed his history of legal battles, he said, “New York radical left prosecutors come after me.”

“You got to always fight,” he said. “You got to keep fighting.”

The broader investigation into Mr. Trump and his company’s business practices is continuing. The prosecutors have been investigating whether Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization manipulated property values to obtain loans and tax benefits, among other potential financial crimes, The New York Times has reported.

The indictment follows months of an increasing pressure campaign on Mr. Weisselberg to offer information that could help that inquiry. Prosecutors had subpoenaed Mr. Weisselberg’s personal tax returns and bank records, reviewed a raft of his financial dealings and questioned his ex-daughter-in-law — all part of an effort to gain his cooperation.

An accountant who began his career working for Mr. Trump’s father nearly a half-century ago, Mr. Weisselberg has served as the Trump Organization’s financial gatekeeper for more than two decades and recently ran the business with Mr. Trump’s adult sons while Mr. Trump was in the White House.

Famously hard-working — he once said he took “no vacations” — Mr. Weisselberg gained an unparalleled view into the inner workings of the company and its bare-knuckled brawls with business partners. Mr. Weisselberg “knows of every dime that leaves the building,” Corey Lewandowski, a former Trump campaign official, wrote in the book he co-authored, “Let Trump Be Trump.”

Lawyers for Mr. Weisselberg, who is 73 years old, and the Trump Organization could not immediately be reached for comment. Mr. Trump has long attacked Mr. Vance’s investigation as a partisan “witch hunt.”

Now that he faces charges, Mr. Weisselberg still could cooperate with the prosecutors. If he ultimately pleads guilty and strikes a deal, he could do considerable damage to Mr. Trump, who for decades has depended on his unflinching loyalty, once declaring with “100 percent” certainty that Mr. Weisselberg had not betrayed him.

The two started working together closely in the late 1970s, with Mr. Weisselberg putting in time on nights and weekends to handle projects for Mr. Trump, the ambitious son of his boss, Fred Trump. Mr. Weisselberg said in a 2015 deposition that he had been helping with Mr. Trump’s tax returns since at least the 1990s, when Mr. Trump made him the organization’s chief financial officer.

Mr. Weisselberg has remained steadfastly loyal to the company even as his own name surfaced during congressional and federal investigations into Mr. Trump. While Mr. Weisselberg was never a target of those investigations, he has long been a central focus of the district attorney’s inquiry, which began in August 2018.

As the prosecutors have zeroed in on the benefits he and his family received from Mr. Trump, they have examined tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition for one of Mr. Weisselberg’s grandchildren, a rent-free apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan and leased Mercedes-Benz vehicles. Mr. Weisselberg’s wife also received her own leased Mercedes.

Mr. Weisselberg was not the only senior company executive to receive similar perks. Until 2018, when the company reined in the benefits, it provided a number of employees with Mercedes-Benzes.

Those types of benefits are generally taxable, though there are exceptions, and the tax rules can be murky.

Even if Mr. Weisselberg declines to cooperate, the charges represent a major milestone for Mr. Vance, a Democrat who twice beat Mr. Trump at the U.S. Supreme Court in a battle to obtain the former president’s tax records. That victory reinvigorated the investigation, touching off months of grand jury subpoenas and witness testimony.

Of all the investigations that have loomed over Mr. Trump and his inner circle in the past few years — two impeachments, one special counsel inquiry into ties with Russia and criminal charges against a half dozen former aides — only Mr. Vance’s case has reached into the top rungs of the Trump Organization and taken aim at the company itself.

Still, the stakes remain high for Mr. Vance. Although he is not seeking re-election after three terms, the district attorney has faced criticism in the past for treading lightly with other powerful defendants. The Trump investigation will arguably be the most enduring part of his legacy.

When Mr. Vance’s office opened its broader investigation, it began with an examination of hush-money payments made during the 2016 presidential campaign to two women who said they had affairs with Mr. Trump. In particular, the prosecutors scrutinized how the company accounted for $420,000 it gave Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, partly as reimbursement for money he paid to buy the silence of one of the women, Stormy Daniels, a pornographic film actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.

Mr. Cohen is cooperating with Mr. Vance’s investigation, which grew out of 2018 federal charges against him.

In congressional testimony two years ago, Mr. Cohen pinned blame on Mr. Weisselberg, saying that he had helped devise a strategy to mask the Trump Organization’s reimbursements to Mr. Cohen.

In his final days in office, Mr. Trump was said to have considered pardoning Mr. Weisselberg, but ultimately did not do so. Federal prosecutors never accused Mr. Weisselberg of wrongdoing.

For years, Mr. Weisselberg kept a low profile at the Trump Organization, often eclipsed by his bombastic boss. One of Mr. Weisselberg’s rare moments in the spotlight came during a cameo as a judge on “The Apprentice,” in which he discussed dog grooming.

Mr. Weisselberg’s family has also long been entwined with Mr. Trump. One of Mr. Weisselberg’s sons, Barry, has been the manager of Trump Wollman Rink in Central Park, and another son, Jack, works at Ladder Capital, one of Mr. Trump’s biggest lenders.

Mr. Vance’s office has subpoenaed Ladder Capital and spoken to some of its employees about the lending process, according to people with knowledge of the matter. There has been no indication that prosecutors suspect either of Mr. Weisselberg’s sons of wrongdoing.

Prosecutors have also questioned Mr. Weisselberg’s former daughter-in-law, Jennifer Weisselberg, who is in the midst of a contentious court battle with her ex-husband, Barry, over custody of their children.

Ms. Weisselberg has said that prosecutors had asked her about the tuition payments as well as gifts Barry Weisselberg received from Mr. Trump, including an apartment on Central Park South and several cars that were leased for him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/nyregion/allen-weisselberg-charged-trump-organization.html

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Date: 1/07/2021 22:58:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1758697
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

How come it’s always the Trump employees, never the Trump?

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Date: 1/07/2021 23:01:08
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1758698
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Bubblecar said:


How come it’s always the Trump employees, never the Trump?

Usually need insiders to turn state’s evidence to expose corruption going all the way to the top.

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Date: 1/07/2021 23:02:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1758699
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Bubblecar said:


How come it’s always the Trump employees, never the Trump?

He is good at delegating responsibility.

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Date: 1/07/2021 23:02:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1758700
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

The New York Times
2 hrs ·
Breaking News: Allen Weisselberg, a top executive at the Trump Organization, surrendered to the Manhattan district attorney’s office to face charges, officials said.

Top Trump Executive Allen Weisselberg Surrenders to Face Charges
The Trump Organization and Mr. Weisselberg have been indicted in connection with a tax investigation and are expected to appear in court later Thursday.

By Ben Protess, William K. Rashbaum and Jonah E. Bromwich
July 1, 2021

Donald J. Trump’s long-serving chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, surrendered on Thursday to the Manhattan district attorney’s office as he and the Trump Organization prepared to face charges in connection with a tax investigation, people with knowledge of the matter said.

The exact charges were not yet known. Prosecutors were expected to unseal an indictment later in the day against Mr. Weisselberg and the Trump Organization, the real estate business that catapulted Mr. Trump to tabloid fame, television riches and ultimately, the White House.

Mr. Weisselberg, accompanied by his lawyer, Mary E. Mulligan, walked into the Lower Manhattan building that houses the criminal courts and the district attorney’s office about 6:20 a.m. He is expected to appear in court in the afternoon along with representatives of the Trump Organization.

The charges against the Trump Organization and Mr. Weisselberg — whom Mr. Trump once praised for doing “whatever was necessary to protect the bottom line” — emerged from the district attorney’s sweeping inquiry into the business practices of Mr. Trump and his company.

As part of that inquiry, the prosecutors in the office of the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., had been examining whether Mr. Weisselberg failed to pay taxes on valuable benefits he and his family received from Mr. Trump, including private school tuition for at least one of his grandchildren, free apartments and leased cars.

The prosecutors, who are also working with lawyers from the office of the New York State attorney general, Letitia James, have also investigated whether the Trump Organization failed to pay payroll taxes on what should have been taxable income.

Ms. Mulligan declined to comment on her client’s surrender. In a statement, the Trump Organization said Mr. Weisselberg was being used as a “pawn in a scorched-earth attempt to harm the former president.”

“The district attorney is bringing a criminal prosecution involving employee benefits that neither the I.R.S. or any other district attorney would ever think of bringing,” the statement read. “This is not justice; this is politics.”

Mr. Trump was not expected to face charges Thursday. But an indictment of the company that carries his name strikes a blow to the former president just as he has resumed holding rallies. Even if Mr. Trump parlays the charges into some immediate good will from his supporters — he has denounced the investigation as political persecution — he could face the costly distraction of a trial if he attempts to mount another presidential campaign.

The charges also could strain his company’s finances and jeopardize its relationship with business partners who had stood by the Trump Organization even after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, which prompted a backlash against the former president.

Mr. Trump won the presidency by portraying himself as a political outsider with the business acumen to shake up Washington. But the company whose name he made famous on his reality television show, “The Apprentice,” might eventually be associated as much with criminal charges as it is with the hotels and golf courses that bear his name. If the company is found guilty, it could face fines or other penalties.

Mr. Trump mentioned the investigation only in passing during a Fox ​News town hall appearance Wednesday. As he listed his history of legal battles, he said, “New York radical left prosecutors come after me.”

“You got to always fight,” he said. “You got to keep fighting.”

The broader investigation into Mr. Trump and his company’s business practices is continuing. The prosecutors have been investigating whether Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization manipulated property values to obtain loans and tax benefits, among other potential financial crimes, The New York Times has reported.

The indictment follows months of an increasing pressure campaign on Mr. Weisselberg to offer information that could help that inquiry. Prosecutors had subpoenaed Mr. Weisselberg’s personal tax returns and bank records, reviewed a raft of his financial dealings and questioned his ex-daughter-in-law — all part of an effort to gain his cooperation.

An accountant who began his career working for Mr. Trump’s father nearly a half-century ago, Mr. Weisselberg has served as the Trump Organization’s financial gatekeeper for more than two decades and recently ran the business with Mr. Trump’s adult sons while Mr. Trump was in the White House.

Famously hard-working — he once said he took “no vacations” — Mr. Weisselberg gained an unparalleled view into the inner workings of the company and its bare-knuckled brawls with business partners. Mr. Weisselberg “knows of every dime that leaves the building,” Corey Lewandowski, a former Trump campaign official, wrote in the book he co-authored, “Let Trump Be Trump.”

Lawyers for Mr. Weisselberg, who is 73 years old, and the Trump Organization could not immediately be reached for comment. Mr. Trump has long attacked Mr. Vance’s investigation as a partisan “witch hunt.”

Now that he faces charges, Mr. Weisselberg still could cooperate with the prosecutors. If he ultimately pleads guilty and strikes a deal, he could do considerable damage to Mr. Trump, who for decades has depended on his unflinching loyalty, once declaring with “100 percent” certainty that Mr. Weisselberg had not betrayed him.

The two started working together closely in the late 1970s, with Mr. Weisselberg putting in time on nights and weekends to handle projects for Mr. Trump, the ambitious son of his boss, Fred Trump. Mr. Weisselberg said in a 2015 deposition that he had been helping with Mr. Trump’s tax returns since at least the 1990s, when Mr. Trump made him the organization’s chief financial officer.

Mr. Weisselberg has remained steadfastly loyal to the company even as his own name surfaced during congressional and federal investigations into Mr. Trump. While Mr. Weisselberg was never a target of those investigations, he has long been a central focus of the district attorney’s inquiry, which began in August 2018.

As the prosecutors have zeroed in on the benefits he and his family received from Mr. Trump, they have examined tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition for one of Mr. Weisselberg’s grandchildren, a rent-free apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan and leased Mercedes-Benz vehicles. Mr. Weisselberg’s wife also received her own leased Mercedes.

Mr. Weisselberg was not the only senior company executive to receive similar perks. Until 2018, when the company reined in the benefits, it provided a number of employees with Mercedes-Benzes.

Those types of benefits are generally taxable, though there are exceptions, and the tax rules can be murky.

Even if Mr. Weisselberg declines to cooperate, the charges represent a major milestone for Mr. Vance, a Democrat who twice beat Mr. Trump at the U.S. Supreme Court in a battle to obtain the former president’s tax records. That victory reinvigorated the investigation, touching off months of grand jury subpoenas and witness testimony.

Of all the investigations that have loomed over Mr. Trump and his inner circle in the past few years — two impeachments, one special counsel inquiry into ties with Russia and criminal charges against a half dozen former aides — only Mr. Vance’s case has reached into the top rungs of the Trump Organization and taken aim at the company itself.

Still, the stakes remain high for Mr. Vance. Although he is not seeking re-election after three terms, the district attorney has faced criticism in the past for treading lightly with other powerful defendants. The Trump investigation will arguably be the most enduring part of his legacy.

When Mr. Vance’s office opened its broader investigation, it began with an examination of hush-money payments made during the 2016 presidential campaign to two women who said they had affairs with Mr. Trump. In particular, the prosecutors scrutinized how the company accounted for $420,000 it gave Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, partly as reimbursement for money he paid to buy the silence of one of the women, Stormy Daniels, a pornographic film actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump.

Mr. Cohen is cooperating with Mr. Vance’s investigation, which grew out of 2018 federal charges against him.

In congressional testimony two years ago, Mr. Cohen pinned blame on Mr. Weisselberg, saying that he had helped devise a strategy to mask the Trump Organization’s reimbursements to Mr. Cohen.

In his final days in office, Mr. Trump was said to have considered pardoning Mr. Weisselberg, but ultimately did not do so. Federal prosecutors never accused Mr. Weisselberg of wrongdoing.

For years, Mr. Weisselberg kept a low profile at the Trump Organization, often eclipsed by his bombastic boss. One of Mr. Weisselberg’s rare moments in the spotlight came during a cameo as a judge on “The Apprentice,” in which he discussed dog grooming.

Mr. Weisselberg’s family has also long been entwined with Mr. Trump. One of Mr. Weisselberg’s sons, Barry, has been the manager of Trump Wollman Rink in Central Park, and another son, Jack, works at Ladder Capital, one of Mr. Trump’s biggest lenders.

Mr. Vance’s office has subpoenaed Ladder Capital and spoken to some of its employees about the lending process, according to people with knowledge of the matter. There has been no indication that prosecutors suspect either of Mr. Weisselberg’s sons of wrongdoing.

Prosecutors have also questioned Mr. Weisselberg’s former daughter-in-law, Jennifer Weisselberg, who is in the midst of a contentious court battle with her ex-husband, Barry, over custody of their children.

Ms. Weisselberg has said that prosecutors had asked her about the tuition payments as well as gifts Barry Weisselberg received from Mr. Trump, including an apartment on Central Park South and several cars that were leased for him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/nyregion/allen-weisselberg-charged-trump-organization.html

ta.

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Date: 1/07/2021 23:03:44
From: furious
ID: 1758701
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

ChrispenEvan said:


Bubblecar said:

How come it’s always the Trump employees, never the Trump?

He is good at delegating responsibility.

Or with a leader so inept the underlings feel free to act as they please…

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Date: 2/07/2021 05:46:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1758788
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Lawyers for the Trump Organization and its longtime finance chief have pleaded not guilty to tax crime charges.
Key points:

The charges include scheming to defraud, conspiracy, grand larceny and tax fraud Donald Trump has not been charged Allen Weisselberg’s lawyers say he will fight the charges
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Date: 3/07/2021 08:40:19
From: Ogmog
ID: 1759458
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

fsm said:


New York State’s Trump Investigation: An Analysis of the Reported Facts and Applicable Law

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017a-5daa-d92f-a1fe-ddea56cf0000

anyone else sick & tired of THE Donald
whining like a spoiled little PItA kid
about how UNFAIR everyone treats him?

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Date: 3/07/2021 11:34:23
From: Ogmog
ID: 1759547
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

f’n LOSER!

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Date: 4/07/2021 14:58:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760142
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:00:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760144
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

fixed extra space

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:01:47
From: party_pants
ID: 1760145
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:03:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1760146
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

It isnt like he wasnt under scrutiny before becoming president.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:04:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760147
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

He’s clearly delusional to think that his popularity will push the law aside.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:07:57
From: sibeen
ID: 1760148
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

Yes, it was good to see that when he released his tax returns it was apparent that he was above reproach.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:12:32
From: Michael V
ID: 1760149
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Donald Trump uses Florida rally to slam prosecutors over ‘terrible, terrible’ tax fraud charges.

“It’s really called prosecutorial misconduct. It’s a terrible, terrible thing,” Mr Trump told thousands of supporters gathered outdoors in Sarasota, Florida, on Saturday.

“They’ve mobilised every power of government to come after me, my family, my wonderful employees and my company solely because of politics,” Mr Trump told the crowd.

“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/donald-trump-uses-florida-rally-to-slam-tax-fraud-charges/100266666

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

Yes, it was good to see that when he released his tax returns it was apparent that he was above reproach.

Tax returns? What tax returns? (Looks around furtively.)

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:13:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760151
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Michael V said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

Yes, it was good to see that when he released his tax returns it was apparent that he was above reproach.

Tax returns? What tax returns? (Looks around furtively.)

The dog ate them.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:47:02
From: buffy
ID: 1760175
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Michael V said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Meh. If you are likely to come under extra scrutiny over your politics then you better make sure you are squeakier than squeaky-clean.

Yes, it was good to see that when he released his tax returns it was apparent that he was above reproach.

Tax returns? What tax returns? (Looks around furtively.)

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:52:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760181
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

buffy said:


Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Yes, it was good to see that when he released his tax returns it was apparent that he was above reproach.

Tax returns? What tax returns? (Looks around furtively.)

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:54:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760182
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

Michael V said:

Tax returns? What tax returns? (Looks around furtively.)

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

The minute you told your accountant that you were now receibing the pension then the accountant would or should have told you, “So this is your last tax return”.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:54:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760183
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

The minute you told your accountant that you were now receibing the pension then the accountant would or should have told you, “So this is your last tax return”.

b=v

At least, that’s what mine told me.

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Date: 4/07/2021 15:59:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760187
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

The minute you told your accountant that you were now receibing the pension then the accountant would or should have told you, “So this is your last tax return”.

No, lots of people receive a part pension but still have to pay tax (including me).

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:00:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760188
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

The minute you told your accountant that you were now receibing the pension then the accountant would or should have told you, “So this is your last tax return”.

No, lots of people receive a part pension but still have to pay tax (including me).

Because you have investments?

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:02:07
From: buffy
ID: 1760190
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

Michael V said:

Tax returns? What tax returns? (Looks around furtively.)

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

I don’t get a government pension. Only my super pension. I’m too young for a pension. Mr buffy is going to look into it though, he’s old enough now. Just depends on our combined assets. I’m certain I’m no longer a tax payer, but I’m not sure about whether you just drop out or have to notify in some way. The accountant will know.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:02:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760191
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The minute you told your accountant that you were now receibing the pension then the accountant would or should have told you, “So this is your last tax return”.

No, lots of people receive a part pension but still have to pay tax (including me).

Because you have investments?

Because I have earned income.

But yes, non-super investment income is also taxable.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:03:56
From: buffy
ID: 1760193
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

The minute you told your accountant that you were now receibing the pension then the accountant would or should have told you, “So this is your last tax return”.

b=v

At least, that’s what mine told me.

No, because last tax year I sold the house in Casterton and all that stuff about capital gains and things had to be declared. That was all complicated by the fact it had been used for business for 25 years – that’s what accountants are for. It all balanced itself out in the end. So this year 2020-21 is my first year with only allocated pension and a little bit of interest.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:04:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760194
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Mr buffy and I were just talking about that. My only “income” now is my allocated pension and a little bit of interest on bank accounts. We’ll have to see the accountant about the self managed super fund for tax, but I need to find out if I have to formally notify the tax office that I’m now not earning enough money to pay tax.

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

I don’t get a government pension. Only my super pension. I’m too young for a pension. Mr buffy is going to look into it though, he’s old enough now. Just depends on our combined assets. I’m certain I’m no longer a tax payer, but I’m not sure about whether you just drop out or have to notify in some way. The accountant will know.

Yeah, you have to notify them.

And Mr, B will have to tell the pension people all of your assets, as well as his and joint.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:08:59
From: buffy
ID: 1760196
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

I don’t get a government pension. Only my super pension. I’m too young for a pension. Mr buffy is going to look into it though, he’s old enough now. Just depends on our combined assets. I’m certain I’m no longer a tax payer, but I’m not sure about whether you just drop out or have to notify in some way. The accountant will know.

Yeah, you have to notify them.

And Mr, B will have to tell the pension people all of your assets, as well as his and joint.

Yes, there is a person at our accountant’s office who specializes in that stuff. We pay him to do it because he knows what he is doing. We also paid him to sort out my mother’s stuff, but my brother (who is power of attorney) completely ignored the advice received. He got Mr buffy the health card a couple of years ago. For that my assets weren’t included, and just as well as I still had the business then and I’m not sure how that would have been valued. As it turned out, I got nothing for it because I couldn’t find a buyer. But I do have the money from the Casterton house sitting in the bank at present, which will be counted.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:09:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1760198
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Cash is king in the retirement environment.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:09:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760201
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The pension people should know about the super fund as part of your assets, but earnings are already taxed (at a reduced rate, because its super), so there should be no additional tax on any money you take out of the fund.

But check with your accountant :)

I don’t get a government pension. Only my super pension. I’m too young for a pension. Mr buffy is going to look into it though, he’s old enough now. Just depends on our combined assets. I’m certain I’m no longer a tax payer, but I’m not sure about whether you just drop out or have to notify in some way. The accountant will know.

Yeah, you have to notify them.

And Mr, B will have to tell the pension people all of your assets, as well as his and joint.

Actually not sure about the last bit. Your assets only become declarable when you get to pension age, and you start getting a joint pension (I think)

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:09:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1760202
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Peak Warming Man said:


Cash is king in the retirement environment.

If you have it to play with..

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:10:59
From: buffy
ID: 1760203
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I don’t get a government pension. Only my super pension. I’m too young for a pension. Mr buffy is going to look into it though, he’s old enough now. Just depends on our combined assets. I’m certain I’m no longer a tax payer, but I’m not sure about whether you just drop out or have to notify in some way. The accountant will know.

Yeah, you have to notify them.

And Mr, B will have to tell the pension people all of your assets, as well as his and joint.

Actually not sure about the last bit. Your assets only become declarable when you get to pension age, and you start getting a joint pension (I think)

Yes, I think my assets do have to be declared for Mr buffy. I’m sure I saw that on the forms. We had them then to see what we were up for later.

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Date: 4/07/2021 16:14:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760205
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cash is king in the retirement environment.

If you have it to play with..

Not sure what either of the above mean.

If you want to live on your savings, you want them to earn some money, so anything but cash is king.

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Date: 22/07/2021 14:10:17
From: fsm
ID: 1768506
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Capitol attack committee chair vows to investigate Trump: ‘Nothing is off limits’

Congressman Bennie Thompson, the chairman of the new House select committee to scrutinize the Capitol attack, says he will investigate Donald Trump as part of his inquiry into the events of 6 January – a day he sees as the greatest test to the United States since the civil war.

Thompson indicated that Trump and the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, are among the top witnesses for his investigation, in large part because McCarthy was on the phone with the former president as the riot unfolded.

McCarthy called Trump in a panic as rioters breached the Capitol and begged him to call off his supporters, only for Trump to chastise the top Republican in the House for not doing more to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Thompson said he expects to demand testimony from senior Trump administration officials who were in the Oval Office as the riot unfolded, from the then White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to Trump’s daughter Ivanka.

If Trump administration officials refuse to appear before the committee, citing executive privilege, Thompson said he would issue subpoenas and launch lawsuits to enforce his congressional oversight authority.

And he vowed to refer criminal charges should Trump White House records, covering the period from the November election through 6 January, be missing or destroyed – a persistent worry among Democrats as Trump grew increasingly unhinged in the final weeks of the administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/21/capitol-attack-committee-chair-bennie-thompson

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Date: 22/07/2021 14:11:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1768509
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

fsm said:


Capitol attack committee chair vows to investigate Trump: ‘Nothing is off limits’

Congressman Bennie Thompson, the chairman of the new House select committee to scrutinize the Capitol attack, says he will investigate Donald Trump as part of his inquiry into the events of 6 January – a day he sees as the greatest test to the United States since the civil war.

Thompson indicated that Trump and the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, are among the top witnesses for his investigation, in large part because McCarthy was on the phone with the former president as the riot unfolded.

McCarthy called Trump in a panic as rioters breached the Capitol and begged him to call off his supporters, only for Trump to chastise the top Republican in the House for not doing more to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Thompson said he expects to demand testimony from senior Trump administration officials who were in the Oval Office as the riot unfolded, from the then White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to Trump’s daughter Ivanka.

If Trump administration officials refuse to appear before the committee, citing executive privilege, Thompson said he would issue subpoenas and launch lawsuits to enforce his congressional oversight authority.

And he vowed to refer criminal charges should Trump White House records, covering the period from the November election through 6 January, be missing or destroyed – a persistent worry among Democrats as Trump grew increasingly unhinged in the final weeks of the administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/21/capitol-attack-committee-chair-bennie-thompson

Good.

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Date: 22/07/2021 14:11:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1768510
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

fsm said:


Capitol attack committee chair vows to investigate Trump: ‘Nothing is off limits’

Congressman Bennie Thompson, the chairman of the new House select committee to scrutinize the Capitol attack, says he will investigate Donald Trump as part of his inquiry into the events of 6 January – a day he sees as the greatest test to the United States since the civil war.

Thompson indicated that Trump and the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, are among the top witnesses for his investigation, in large part because McCarthy was on the phone with the former president as the riot unfolded.

McCarthy called Trump in a panic as rioters breached the Capitol and begged him to call off his supporters, only for Trump to chastise the top Republican in the House for not doing more to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Thompson said he expects to demand testimony from senior Trump administration officials who were in the Oval Office as the riot unfolded, from the then White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, to Trump’s daughter Ivanka.

If Trump administration officials refuse to appear before the committee, citing executive privilege, Thompson said he would issue subpoenas and launch lawsuits to enforce his congressional oversight authority.

And he vowed to refer criminal charges should Trump White House records, covering the period from the November election through 6 January, be missing or destroyed – a persistent worry among Democrats as Trump grew increasingly unhinged in the final weeks of the administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/21/capitol-attack-committee-chair-bennie-thompson


He’d been tearing up every record for the whole time and they’d had people picking up the pieces and sticky taping them back together.

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Date: 28/07/2021 18:32:25
From: fsm
ID: 1771125
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Former Trump administration officials can testify to Congress about Donald Trump’s role in the deadly January attack on the Capitol and his efforts to subvert the results of the 2020 election, the justice department (DoJ) has said in a letter obtained by the Guardian.

The move by the justice department to decline to assert executive privilege for Trump’s acting attorney general, Jeffrey Rosen, clears the path for other top former officials to also testify to congressional committees investigating the Capitol attack without fear of repercussions.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/27/trump-officials-testify-us-capitol-attack-house-doj

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Date: 31/07/2021 09:42:59
From: fsm
ID: 1772049
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

Donald Trump’s tax records to be released, damaging memo disclosed on DOJ’s orders

Former United States president Donald Trump has suffered a pair of setbacks, with the Department of Justice clearing the way for the release of his tax records and also disclosing a memo showing he urged top officials to falsely claim his election defeat was “corrupt”.

Handwritten notes taken by then-acting deputy attorney-general Richard Donoghue in December were released on Friday by the chair of the House of Representatives Oversight and Reform Committee, Carolyn Maloney.

They paint a damning picture of Mr Trump as he sought to get the department to take the unprecedented step of intervening to try to upend his 2020 election loss.

Hours later, the department cleared the way for the Internal Revenue Service to hand over Mr Trump’s tax records to congressional investigators — a move he has long fought.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-31/donald-trump-tax-records-memo-department-justice-election/100339562

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Date: 31/07/2021 09:46:54
From: buffy
ID: 1772050
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

fsm said:


Donald Trump’s tax records to be released, damaging memo disclosed on DOJ’s orders

Former United States president Donald Trump has suffered a pair of setbacks, with the Department of Justice clearing the way for the release of his tax records and also disclosing a memo showing he urged top officials to falsely claim his election defeat was “corrupt”.

Handwritten notes taken by then-acting deputy attorney-general Richard Donoghue in December were released on Friday by the chair of the House of Representatives Oversight and Reform Committee, Carolyn Maloney.

They paint a damning picture of Mr Trump as he sought to get the department to take the unprecedented step of intervening to try to upend his 2020 election loss.

Hours later, the department cleared the way for the Internal Revenue Service to hand over Mr Trump’s tax records to congressional investigators — a move he has long fought.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-31/donald-trump-tax-records-memo-department-justice-election/100339562

Thanks for the prompt, I meant to read that.

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Date: 31/07/2021 12:44:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1772105
Subject: re: Trump Investigation

buffy said:


fsm said:

Donald Trump’s tax records to be released, damaging memo disclosed on DOJ’s orders

Former United States president Donald Trump has suffered a pair of setbacks, with the Department of Justice clearing the way for the release of his tax records and also disclosing a memo showing he urged top officials to falsely claim his election defeat was “corrupt”.

Handwritten notes taken by then-acting deputy attorney-general Richard Donoghue in December were released on Friday by the chair of the House of Representatives Oversight and Reform Committee, Carolyn Maloney.

They paint a damning picture of Mr Trump as he sought to get the department to take the unprecedented step of intervening to try to upend his 2020 election loss.

Hours later, the department cleared the way for the Internal Revenue Service to hand over Mr Trump’s tax records to congressional investigators — a move he has long fought.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-31/donald-trump-tax-records-memo-department-justice-election/100339562

Thanks for the prompt, I meant to read that.

poor Christian Porter, didn’t get to have the same publicity as his dear role model

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