Date: 3/07/2021 16:45:38
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Subject: Australasian conspiracy theories
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Date: 3/07/2021 16:46:23
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buffy said:

There must be more than that

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Date: 3/07/2021 16:47:15
From: buffy
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Australasian Public Awareness and Belief in Conspiracy Theories: Motivational Correlates

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12746

I’m not having much luck with SciHub at the moment. That link is the abstract. I’ve tried putting the doi into scihub and got nowhere.

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Date: 3/07/2021 16:52:33
From: Arts
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buffy said:


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Australasian Public Awareness and Belief in Conspiracy Theories: Motivational Correlates

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12746

I’m not having much luck with SciHub at the moment. That link is the abstract. I’ve tried putting the doi into scihub and got nowhere.

do you want me to paste the whole thing here?

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Date: 3/07/2021 16:52:43
From: roughbarked
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Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

buffy said:


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Australasian Public Awareness and Belief in Conspiracy Theories: Motivational Correlates

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12746

I’m not having much luck with SciHub at the moment. That link is the abstract. I’ve tried putting the doi into scihub and got nowhere.

It doesn’t like Wiley. Find another link?

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Date: 3/07/2021 16:55:34
From: buffy
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Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

Arts said:


buffy said:

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Australasian Public Awareness and Belief in Conspiracy Theories: Motivational Correlates

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12746

I’m not having much luck with SciHub at the moment. That link is the abstract. I’ve tried putting the doi into scihub and got nowhere.

do you want me to paste the whole thing here?

I’ve read the piece about it in the Skeptic magazine, but others here might find it interesting. Thanks.

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Date: 3/07/2021 16:55:58
From: buffy
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Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

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Australasian Public Awareness and Belief in Conspiracy Theories: Motivational Correlates

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12746

I’m not having much luck with SciHub at the moment. That link is the abstract. I’ve tried putting the doi into scihub and got nowhere.

It doesn’t like Wiley. Find another link?

It’s not only Wiley. In the last couple of days it’s refused a couple of requests from me.

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Date: 3/07/2021 17:02:43
From: Arts
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Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

I removed the tables because they formatted terribly.. but the general info is there…

Research on understanding conspiracy theories has burgeoned in recent years. It suggests that many people in the United Kingdom and North America are not only familiar with conspiracy theories, but they also subscribe to them. For example, polling found one in five Britons think that harmful effects of vaccines are being kept hidden from the public (Waldersee, 2019), and two in five think that the U.K. government is hiding the truth about the number of immigrants living in the country (Moore, 2016). A study by Oliver and Wood (2014), using four nationally representative U.S. samples, found that more than one in three people had heard of conspiracy theories relating to “real” reasons for the 2001 World Trade Center attacks and the 2003 Iraq war, while nine out of 10 people had heard of the President Obama “birther” conspiracy theory. Not only were these conspiracy narratives familiar to many Americans, but over 50% endorsed at least one of them, indicating that it is not just fringe groups who believe in social and political conspiracy theories.

Even so, very little is known about the prevalence of conspiracy belief in the Antipodes despite popular interest in local and international conspiracy theories among Australasian citizens (Crofts, 2016; Palmer, 2018). Conspiracy theories are lay beliefs (or explanations) about the cause, or concealment, of an event from the public, attributed to a secretive, illegitimate, hostile plot by a coalition or group of actors (e.g., van Prooijen, 2018; Swami, Chamorro-Premuzic, & Furnham, 2010). Compared to Australia, levels of belief are somewhat better understood in New Zealand, where estimates suggest nearly three in four people believe at least one conspiracy theory (Woolf, 2019). This recent survey of a sample of convenience found that more than 40% of participants believed that the national rugby team was poisoned during the 1995 World Cup held in post-apartheid South Africa, one in 10 believed that NASA faked the moon landings, and almost one in 15 agreed that world governments were hiding the presence of aliens. One relatively popular New Zealand conspiracy theory focuses on the Department of Conservation’s use of 1080 poison (sodium fluoroacetate) to kill mammalian predators of native birds and plants. Opponents of the poison have claimed that the true purpose of 1080 is to contaminate wild sources of food, forcing citizens to depend on the government and corporations for sustenance (Slatherly, 2018). Another New Zealand conspiracy theory claims that the 2011 Canterbury earthquakes were triggered by the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)—a U.S. military ionosphere research program based in Alaska (Bridgeman, 2011).

Less is known about Australians’ awareness of, and belief in, conspiracy theories other than the apparent persistence of several high-profile local narratives. For example, one based on events from over 50 years ago at the height of the Cold War challenges the official narrative that Australia’s 17th Prime Minister (Harold Holt) drowned while swimming, claiming he was in fact taken away in a Chinese submarine (Frame, 2005). Another enduring narrative posits that Phar Lap, an extremely successful and popular racehorse in Australia during the early 20th century, died as a result of poisoning by U.S. gangsters while racing overseas (Reason, 2009). More recently, there have been conspiracy theories related to emerging technologies. For example, former Labor Prime Minister Kevin Rudd suggested that a subsequent Liberal National government conspired with Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation to sabotage his political party’s design for a superfast national broadband service (Koziol, 2019). Another is that a future 5G telecommunications network will cause serious illnesses such as cancer and that there is a cover up of medical evidence (Zappone, 2019). Both of these claims have apparently gained traction in New Zealand (Strongman, 2019). These are all examples of large-scale public cases where there is a degree of uncertainty surrounding the information, whereby individuals and communities search for meaning in what may be unrelated or random events.

While historical, sporting, and technological conspiracies feature prominently in local discourse, there are also pernicious narratives circulating related to recent mass shooting crimes in both Australia and New Zealand. These suggest that shootings were false flag events orchestrated by government agencies to justify restriction of gun ownership (Dentith, 2019; Karp & Tovey, 2019). At present, what is known about the nature and prevalence of conspiracy theories in both countries involves a mix of popular anecdotes, media accounts, and a small number of limited research investigations (e.g., Wilson & Rose, 2014).

A Motivational Account of Conspiracy Belief

Although it is well established that a substantial minority of the general public believe conspiracy theories, the factors that produce belief in conspiracy theories remain unclear. In a monological belief-system framework (Goertzel, 1994), it is assumed that belief in any one conspiracy theory will be correlated with belief in others, given the capacity of conspiracy theories to support one another. For example, belief that the government is covering up medical risks from the development of a 5G network may be easier to develop if one already believes that that the government is also covering up medical risks of vaccination. However, a monological account has been critiqued as limited, and it has been suggested that belief in conspiracies may form a more complex worldview with multiple dimensions (e.g., Franks, Bangerter, Bauer, Hall, & Noort, 2017). Douglas, Sutton, and Cichocka (2017) have proposed a framework based on the motivational basis of system justification processes to understand the complex nature of conspiracy belief. Adapted from Jost, Ledgerwood, and Hardin (2008), system justification theory can help organize the factors related to conspiracy belief into three basic human motives: an epistemic motive to understand the world and to increase knowledge, certainty, and accuracy; an existential motive to reduce threat and to maintain a safe and stable environment; and the more recently proposed relational motive (also referred to as a social motive) to maintain valued interpersonal relationships and a positive image of the self and ingroup. There is growing evidence for this motivational basis of conspiracy belief (Douglas et al., 2017), but a notable absence in understanding the relative and unique importance of these motives, in addition to a lack of systematic research in Australasia on belief in conspiracies.

Given the apparent role of some conspiracy theories in mobilizing aggressive opposition to public health campaigns like vaccination (Jolley & Douglas, 2014a) and to climate change mitigation (Jolley & Douglas, 2014b), it is critical to understand the degree to which motives underly and sustain conspiracy belief (Goertzel, 2010). In the present study, we test this psychology of conspiracy-theories framework (Douglas et al., 2017) to examine the unique and relative relationships between exemplars of epistemic, existential, and relational motives alongside conspiracy awareness and belief, using samples from Australia and from New Zealand. Our objectives are twofold. First, we aim to describe the levels of awareness and belief in conspiracies using local (Australasian) and international narratives. To date, this has been understudied and not investigated systematically. Second, we assess the extent to which both awareness and conspiracy belief are related to preexisting and common measures used in the study of conspiracy theories so as to establish the unique and relative importance of these three underlying system justification motives; we propose these motives are more important in explaining belief than awareness, consistent with a motivational account of conspiracy belief.

We begin with a review of how awareness and belief has previously been found to be related to selected exemplars of epistemic (i.e., analytic style), existential (i.e., trust, political and religious ideologies), and relational motives (i.e., anomie and disillusionment with government). The psychological motivations examined here are a limited subset of factors underlying belief in conspiracies. However, they illustrate theoretically and empirically established constructs representing these three system justification motives (Douglas et al., 2019), consistent with the psychology of conspiracy-theories framework (Douglas et al., 2017). Following each account, we propose specific hypotheses relating to both conspiracy awareness and belief. Thereafter, we present a set of overall aims and hypotheses.

Epistemic Motive: Analytic Style

Belief in conspiracies may satisfy a need for reducing uncertainty by helping individuals find meaning in complex or random events (Douglas et al., 2017). There is some evidence that conspiratorial thinking is a heuristic used to make sense of complex random and low-probability events (Kovic & Füchslin, 2018), although other findings suggest that perceptions of meaning instead of randomness and conspiracy belief are unrelated (Dieguez, Wagner-Egger, & Gauvrit, 2015). Writing on American politics over half a century ago, historian Richard Hofstadter (1964) detailed the paranoid style, suggesting that it was a mentality predisposing a minority of the population to see conspiracies in society. More recent studies have investigated whether conspiracy belief may serve this epistemic need for sensemaking by investigating its relationships with analytic style and analytic thinking—two related but distinct constructs. On the one hand, analytic style encompasses a preference or motivation for elaborated forms of thinking and judgement as compared to a preference for automatic or effortless problem solving and can be construed as a motivation (Cacioppo & Petty, 1982). On the other hand, analytic thinking can be thought of as the ability to override an intuitive, but incorrect, response with a correct response (e.g., Pennycook, Cheyne, Seli, Koehler, & Fugelsang, 2012).

In a series of studies examining correlates and predictors of belief in conspiracy theories, Swami, Voracek, Stieger, Tran, and Furnham (2014) showed that a preference for analytic style is associated with decreased belief in conspiracy theories and that engaging in analytic thinking can attenuate belief in conspiracies. Other studies also support this view that analytic thinking (i.e., a tendency to reflect about problems that at first blush seem to have an intuitive—obvious—answer), as compared with intuitive processing, is related to decreased conspiracy belief (Barron et al., 2018; Ståhl & van Prooijen, 2018). These and other findings suggest that belief in conspiracies may express an ideological belief system based around a conspiracy-promoting, and sustaining, way of thinking: for example, a conspiratorial mindset has been linked to a tendency to infer causal relationships between unrelated events (Brotherton & French, 2014). Studies also show that increased education is related to lower belief in conspiracies (e.g., Goertzel, 1994; Oliver & Wood, 2014; Ståhl & van Prooijen, 2018), suggesting that lower levels of belief may be related to increased preference for an analytic, rather than an intuitive, way of thinking (van Prooijen, 2017).

These findings suggest that analytic thinking may be an important predictor of lower levels of conspiracy belief, but it is unclear how this is related to awareness of conspiracies. Research investigating analytic thinking and the overclaiming of knowledge of people and events suggested a moderate negative relationship between the two (Pennycook & Rand, 2018). However, as overclaiming involves recognizing familiarity between false and genuine events, it may be the case that analytic thinking is only weakly related or unrelated to awareness of a conspiracy theory, given that many conspiracy narratives are widespread in public discourse.

H1: Analytic thinking will be negatively correlated with conspiracy belief.
Existential Motive: Trust

A key element of conspiracy theories is their distrustful representation, or suspicion of, others and groups, which has been proposed to be evolutionarily adaptive to reduce threats and maintain a safe environment (van Prooijen & Van Vugt, 2018). Trust is distinct from distrust (or mistrust), which can coexist and be distinguished empirically, and has different antecedents and consequents (Lewicki, McAllister, & Bies, 1998). Consistent with Lewicki et al., (1998), we view trust as the “positive expectations regarding another’s conduct,” to be distinguished from distrust (or mistrust) which is the “negative expectations regarding another’s conduct” (p. 439). A major focus in the conspiracy-theory literature has been on institutional trust/mistrust, with empirical research mostly examining positive and negative expectations of government and authority. For example, studies show that decreased trust in authorities is related to increased belief in conspiracies (Abalakina-Paap, Stephan, Craig, & Gregory, 1999; Swami et al., 2010). Furthermore, research has shown that exposure to general conspiracy theories lead to decreased trust in government institutions (Einstein & Glick, 2015) and that governmental distrust can persist for some time after exposure to government conspiracy theories (Kim & Cao, 2016). Our focus is on trust in specific others, which can include specific trust in authorities and government, but is distinct from both general forms of institutional and dispositional trust (i.e., in general others; McKnight & Chervany, 2001).

Interpersonal trust/mistrust in others can incorporate entities such as government agencies but often encompasses targets beyond authorities. Research has investigated relationships between increased/decreased interpersonal dis/trust with increased belief in conspiracy theories—but little is known about familiarity or awareness with these narratives. Seminal research by Goertzel (1994) showed there was a moderate negative relationship between belief and a person’s level of trust in their neighbors, relatives, and the police. Importantly, this relationship appears to be robust across various conceptualizations of conspiracy belief (Lantian, Muller, Nurra, & Douglas, 2016). Understanding both the levels and relationships between these concepts is important given evidence that trust is important in civic engagement (e.g., Van Ingen & Bekkers, 2015) and democratic actions such as voting (e.g., Abrams & Travaglino, 2018).

H2: Trust in others will be negatively correlated with conspiracy belief.
Existential Motive: Political and Religious Ideologies

Governments and authorities are often the focus of conspiracy theories, so it is reasonable to expect that political ideologies may be related to conspiracy belief. An ideology is a cognitive structure of organized of ideas, attitudes, and values around an abstract theme (Converse, 2006). In addition to reducing feelings of uncertainty and generalized threat, self-identifying along an ideological continuum may function in part to satisfy people’s needs for social inclusion and belonging, as individuals identify with others who hold similar values (Caprara et al., 2017). Research suggests that belief in conspiracies is stronger for those who identify as politicly conservative (Mancosu, Vassallo, & Vezzoni, 2017) or for those with conservative ideologies such as right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) or social dominance orientation (SDO; e.g., Bruder, Haffke, Neave, Nouripanah, & Imhoff, 2013). In addition, conspiracies involving figures or groups on the other side of politics are often found to be more believable (Enders & Smallpage, 2019). For instance, Miller, Saunders, and Farhart (2016) found that not only do individuals report conspiracy belief consistent with ideological partisanship (i.e., greater levels of belief about those on the other side of the political divide), but that high political knowledge and low trust exacerbate this effect, particularly for conservatives. However, other research suggests that conspiracy belief is more pronounced for those at the extremes of political self-placement on a right to left continuum (van Prooijen, Krouwel, & Pollet, 2015) or that it is related to support with minor single-issue parties (Uscinski & Parent, 2014).

Political self-placement using a unidimensional construct from left to right, or conservative to progressive, is related to various political and psychological differences (Jost, 2006). Researchers have, however, called for a more nuanced conceptualization differentiating economic and social dimensions (Feldman & Johnston, 2014). Recent research in several U.S. samples found that both social and economic conservatism was positively associated with increased belief in a specific conspiracy theory (i.e., climate change is a hoax) and conspiratorial ideation (van der Linden, Panagopoulos, Azevedo, & Jost, 2020). Conceptualizing political ideology across these two dimensions may be useful, given that a single dimension may not provide adequate fidelity to capture the nature of political beliefs; it is also consistent with ideological belief as organized around two orthogonal dimensions relating to social and economic conservatism, as suggested to overlap with RWA and SDO, respectively (Duckitt, 2001). Specifically, research has shown that authoritarianism is a stronger predictor of conspiracism as compared with SDO (Bruder et al., 2013), especially for proestablishment conspiracies as they may threaten established social order and authorities (Wood & Gray, 2019). Therefore, it is important to investigate the role of this multidimensional conceptualization of political ideology with conspiracy belief in Australasia, given the societal focus of many narratives.

Belief in conspiracies is not the only ideology employed to reduce the uncertainty caused by random large-scale events and allow individuals to find meaning in attributing the causes to hidden or unseen forces (Oliver & Wood, 2014). Religious beliefs may also serve to mitigate existential uncertainty (Barber, 2011). Research examining both belief in conspiracies and belief in, or personal importance of, a supernatural or spiritual higher being, or organized system of faith and worship, suggests a positive relationship between the two (Mancosu et al., 2017; Ståhl & van Prooijen, 2018). It may be that religious ideology not only functions to reduce uncertainty but also serves an existential motive of experiencing and maintaining a felt security and control over the unknown.

H3a: Those who identify as more politically conservative, as compared to progressive, will report greater conspiracy belief.
H3b: Social political ideology will be more strongly related to conspiracy belief than economic political ideology.
H4: Those who report greater levels of importance in religion or spirituality will report greater levels of conspiracy belief.
Relational Motive: Anomie and Disillusionment With Government

The relationship between belief in conspiracies and anomie—defined by French sociologist Émile Durkheim (1897/1951) as a sense of individual discomfort about declining values, law, and social order in society—has also been investigated. While it is unclear whether it is a reaction against, or the result of, perceived regulatory social controls of society, this feeling of alienation is negatively related to interpersonal trust. Increased levels of anomie have been associated with increased levels of general conspiracy thinking (Brotherton, French, & Pickering, 2013) and specific belief in conspiracy theories (Abalakina-Paap et al., 1999; Goertzel, 1994), including those related to authorities and minority outgroups (Wagner-Egger & Bangerter, 2007). Recent research argues that anomie may be a mechanism by which exposure to conspiracies facilitate antisocial behavior such as everyday petty crime (Jolley, Douglas, Leite, & Schrader, 2019). This suggests that social processes such as alienation and personal unrest in understanding the social world are heightened by conspiracy theories (Douglas et al., 2017).

Associated with views about the decline of society, disillusionment may reflect a relational motive beyond institutional mistrust, where disappointment is felt due to a failure to meet expectations or feeling cheated or deceived by the government. Overall, exposure to conspiracy theories has been shown to lead to increased disillusionment but may be context dependent. For example, following exposure to climate conspiracies, disillusionment with climate scientists increased (Jolley & Douglas, 2014a), and disillusionment with those responsible for manufacture and administration of vaccines increased following exposure to vaccine conspiracies (Jolley & Douglas, 2014b). However, exposure to several government conspiracies did not lead to increased disillusionment with the government (Jolley et al., 2019).

H5: Levels of anomie and disillusionment with the government will be positively correlated with conspiracy belief.
Overall Aims and Hypotheses

The aim of the present study is to describe the levels of conspiracy awareness and belief in Australasians, for both local and international conspiracy narratives. In addition, we will examine how epistemic, existential, and relational motives uniquely relate to belief in, and awareness of, conspiracies as a test of the underlying psychological motives after accounting for general demographic predictors. Mere awareness of conspiracies is unlikely to relate to these motives; however, given that less is known about what relates to conspiracy awareness, we frame this part of our investigation with the following research question and final, overall, hypothesis:

Research Question 1: To what extent are epistemic, existential, and relational factors associated with awareness of conspiracies?
H6: Psychological motives will better predict levels of conspiracy belief as compared with awareness.
Method

Participants and Procedure

Data were collected between September 9 and September 20, 2019, using the data collection company Dynata (dynata.com). Before beginning the survey, potential adult participants were asked their age, gender, and state of residence (or region for New Zealand). Interlocking quotas, based on the latest available estimates for Australia (2018 Q4; Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2019a) and New Zealand (2019 Q2; Stats NZ, 2019), were used to target 1000 and 750 potential Australian and New Zealand adult participants and ensure that the sample was representative on these demographic variables. Potential participants were directed to an online Qualtrics survey by Dynata, but those who did not meet the quota (i.e., their specific age group, gender, and location were already full) were screened out prior to the survey (Australia n = 1284; New Zealand n = 816). Participants with incomplete surveys (drop outs) and those with invalid responses indicated by a combination of short overall survey duration (e.g., below the 5th percentile for length of time taken), failed attention checks (e.g., agreement with the statements such as “I can levitate buildings with my mind”), and invalid text responses (e.g., gibberish in open text responses for analytic-thinking items) were excluded during the data collection (Australia n = 105; New Zealand n = 43), and the panel was resampled to meet quotas.1 In total there were 1015 and 758 eligible Australian and New Zealand participants, respectively. Demographic information is presented in Table 1.

Table 1. Demographic Characteristics of Australian and New Zealand Samples
Australia (n = 1011) New Zealand (n = 754)
Percentage Percentage
Gender: Female 50.94 50.00
Area
Metropolitan/Urban 79.23 82.23
Rural 19.68 17.24
Remote 1.09 0.53
Annual income
Less than $10,000 8.21 5.70
$10,000–$19,999 9.59 9.68
$20,000–$29,999 13.45 17.37
$30,000–$39,999 8.70 7.29
$40,000–$49,999 8.61 8.49
$50,000–$59,999 8.61 9.15
$60,000–$69,999 7.02 7.29
$70,000–$79,999 4.75 5.84
$80,000–$89,999 4.85 4.38
$90,000–$99,999 3.56 4.11
$100,000–149,999 8.90 7.29
More than $150,000 3.46 2.25
Rather not to say 10.39 11.14
Education level (highest attained)
High school not completed 11.93 12.33
High school graduate, or the equivalent 28.03 22.65
Advanced Diploma 15.21 16.09
Bachelors degree, Graduate Diploma and Certificate 31.51 35.52
Postgraduate Diploma and Certificate, Bachelor Honours Degree 5.07 8.04
Masters degree 6.76 4.69
octorate degree 1.39 0.80
M (SD) M (SD)
Age (years) 47.22 (18.06) 47.67 (17.94)
Importance of religion/spirituality 3.70 (2.19) 3.74 (2.25)
Political ideology
Economic 3.85 (1.20) 3.96 (1.20)
Social 3.98 (1.31) 4.13 (1.37)
Note

Weighted N for all variables. Four participants identifying as gender nonbinary omitted from analyses for each sample. Five cases of unspecified education level not reported for AU; eight unspecified education level cases for NZ. All percentages reported are valid percentages. Range for age is 18–90 for AU and 18–96 years for NZ. Range for importance of religion/spirituality is 1 = Not at all to 7 = Extremely. Political ideology is 1 = Extremely Conservative, 2 = Very Conservative, 3 = Somewhat Conservative, 4 = Neither Conservative nor Progressive, 5 = Somewhat Progressive, 6 = Very Progressive, 7 = Extremely Progressive.
The sample was representative of the Australian population in terms of age, gender, and geographic location due to the interlocking quotas. We applied sample weights based on age and gender to both samples, due to a slight overrepresentation of females and older people in Australia and males and younger people in New Zealand.2 The New Zealand sample was similar to the population with respect to geographic location, whereas there was a modest overrepresentation in the Australian sample of Metropolitan/Urban dwellers.

Overall, both samples were more highly educated than the population on university education attainment, and there was a modest difference in the level of reported average annual income for both samples. Both the Australian and New Zealand samples were more educated (Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2019b; Stats NZ, 2018a) than national census data. Nearly 45% of our sample reported achieving a university education versus approximately 22% nationally and similarly almost 49% of the New Zealand sample as compared to approximately 25% nationally. In terms of personal income, the reported median income in our samples were slightly lower for Australians and similar for New Zealanders as compared to national estimates (Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2018; Stats NZ, 2018b). Australian median personal income was $55,432 versus $40,000–$49,000 in our sample, whereas Zealand median personal income was $51,527 vs $40,000–$49,000 in our sample; with the mode selected was $20,000–$29,000.

Eligible adult participants (i.e., who met the quota) responded to the scales and items in the order presented below. Following the completion of these materials, participants reported on demographics. This research was approved by the Human Ethics Committee of La Trobe University (reference HEC19372). Data and syntax for all analyses can be found at https://osf.io/29zbp/.

Materials

Conspiracy Awareness and Belief

Awareness of and belief in eight international conspiracy theories were assessed with statements developed for this study and adapted from existing conspiracy research investigating belief in specific conspiracy theories (Douglas, Sutton, Callan, Dawtry, & Harvey, 2016; Jolley & Douglas, 2014b; Lewandowsky, Gignac, & Oberauer, 2013; Oliver & Wood, 2014). Example items included, “The American moon landings were faked” and “Scientists are creating panic about climate change because it is in their interests to do so.” Participants also reported their awareness of and belief in seven local conspiracy theories, sampled by the researchers to capture recent and historically known narratives from newsprint and Internet sources, whose content differed between the Australian and New Zealand surveys. Example items for New Zealand included “The New Zealand All Blacks were deliberately poisoned before their 1995 rugby World Cup Final against South Africa” and “The Christchurch mosque shootings were orchestrated with the intent of restricting gun laws in New Zealand.” Example items for Australia included “Australia’s 17th Prime Minister, Harold Holt, did not drown at sea but was kidnapped and taken away in a Chinese submarine” and “Legendary racehorse Phar Lap was poisoned by US gangsters to get rid of him because he was too successful.”

Prior to each conspiracy, participants were asked “Have you heard before?” and provided the response option of “Yes” or “No.” Following, they were asked to indicate their level of agreement with the narrative using a 5-point Likert scale (1 = Strongly disagree, 2 = Disagree, 3 = Neither, 4 = Agree, 5 = Strongly agree). Conspiracy belief was conceptualized as the average of agreement with the seven local (Australia α = .80; New Zealand α = .81), and eight international items (Australia α = .86; New Zealand α = .84) for each country. In the documents in the online supporting information, we report method and results of a multisample confirmatory factor analysis across countries that suggests equivalence on the international conspiracy belief items across Australia and New Zealand demonstrating high construct reliability (>.99; see Supplementary Table S1).3

Trust

Trust was assessed using a three-item scale adapted from previous research (Goertzel, 1994; Wagner-Egger & Bangerter, 2007). Participants were asked how much they could trust their neighbors, the police, and the justice system on a 7-point scale (1 = Not at all; 7 = Very much). Item responses were averaged to create a scale, and reliability (Australia α = .67; New Zealand α = .73) was comparable with previous studies (Lantian et al., 2016; Wagner-Egger & Bangerter, 2007).

Anomie

Anomie was assessed using a three-item scale adapted from Srole (1956) also used in previous research on conspiracy theories (Brotherton et al., 2013). Participants indicated their level of agreement with statements such as, “In spite of what some people say, the condition of the average person is getting worse, not better,” using a 7-point Likert scale (1 = Strongly disagree; 7 = Strongly agree). Item responses were averaged to create a scale, and reliability (Australia α = .70; New Zealand α = .63) was deemed acceptable and was higher than previous studies (Brotherton et al., 2013; Goertzel, 1994).

Disillusionment With Government

Disillusionment with the Australian (or New Zealand) Government was assessed using a four-item scale adapted from (Jolley & Douglas, 2014b). Participants reported their level of agreement with statements such as, “I have given up on the New Zealand (Australian) government,” using a 7-point Likert scale (1 = Strongly disagree; 7 = Strongly agree). Item responses were averaged to create a scale, and reliability (Australia α = .92; New Zealand α = .91) was higher than previous studies (Jolley & Douglas, 2014b).

Analytic Thinking

Analytic thinking was assessed using a shortened form (three of the four items) of the cognitive reflection test (Thomson & Oppenheimer, 2016). Participants were asked to provide text responses to three questions such as “If you’re running a race and you pass the person in second place, what place are you in?” (intuitive answer: first; correct answer: second). Correct answers were scored a 1 (incorrect as 0) and summed to give a total score ranging from 0 to 3 where higher scores indicated greater analytic thinking and lower scores intuitive thinking.

Results and Discussion

Awareness of Conspiracies

Almost all Australians (95.1%) and New Zealanders (97.2%) indicated they had heard of one or more conspiracies from the full list of 15. Specific to the seven local conspiracies, 77.7% and 71.8% of Australians and New Zealanders had heard of one or more, respectively (see Table S2 in the online supporting information for results); Both samples reported low awareness of local conspiracies (Australia: M = 2.00, SD = 1.70; New Zealand: M = 1.74, SD = 1.51). New Zealanders and Australians were most aware of sporting conspiracy theories, with one in two Australians having heard of the Phar Lap Racehorse conspiracy and over 60% of the 1995 New Zealand All Blacks poisoning conspiracy. As shown in Figure 1, these well-known conspiracies were also the most agreed with (31% of Australians and 32% of New Zealanders either agreed or strongly agreed with these).

Belief in Conspiracies

Descriptive statistics of local and international conspiracy belief for Australians and New Zealanders, along with correlations between conspiracy belief and psychological motives are presented in Table 2. Both samples were below the neutral midpoint for local and international conspiracy belief. For both countries, the pattern and strength of correlations were similar and generally in the small to medium range (Cohen, 1992). Relationships between local and international belief with the motives were consistent with existing research. That is, increased belief in conspiracies was associated with lower levels of trust in others (Goertzel, 1994; Lantian et al., 2016) and decreased analytic thinking (Barron et al., 2018; Ståhl & van Prooijen, 2018; Swami et al., 2014), as well as increased levels of anomie (Abalakina-Paap et al., 1999; Goertzel, 1994), increased disillusionment with the national government (Jolley & Douglas, 2014a, 2014b), in addition to a preference for conservative economic and social political ideology (Mancosu et al., 2017) and increased importance of religion and spirituality (Ståhl & van Prooijen, 2018). Conversely, conspiracy awareness had generally no to very small relationships with psychological motives (see Table S4 in the online supporting information for correlations). These results lend initial support to our hypotheses and research questions, specifically that psychological motives will better predict levels of conspiracy belief as compared with awareness.

Local Awareness and Belief in Conspiracies

A series of hierarchical multiple regressions were used to examine the extent that our constructs assessing psychological motives predict awareness and belief in conspiracies. We acknowledge that due to the design the results are correlational, but we have used this approach in combination with relative importance analyses (Tonidandel & LeBreton, 2011) to look at the unique and relative (rescaled as a percentage) contributions of correlates with conspiracy-theory awareness or belief, after controlling for demographic factors. Separate models for both local conspiracy-theory awareness and belief for each sample are presented in turn, followed by a single model predicting international conspiracy belief across both samples (see the online supporting information for analyses of the equivalence of conspiracy belief across Australia and New Zealand ). The results for the analyses predicting belief in conspiracies are presented below for local (see Table 3) and international (see Table 4) narratives, whereas the results for awareness are summarized in the text (see Tables S5 and S6 in the online supporting information for results).

Demographic variables were weak predictors of awareness of local conspiracy theories explaining between 2.7%–4.3% of the variance (see Table S5 in the online supporting information for results). Men and those who reported living in a rural or remote location were significantly more likely to report having heard local conspiracies. Younger New Zealanders were also more aware of conspiracies. The addition of the other psychological correlates increased explanatory power of the model but only accounted for 4.9%–5.4% of the variance in awareness. Results suggested that awareness of local conspiracy theories was related with greater disillusionment in their national government, and with increased religion or spiritual importance for New Zealanders.

In contrast to awareness, demographic variables more strongly associated with conspiracy belief explained between 6.1% and 13.3% of the variance (see Table S3 in the online supporting information for results). Rescaled relative weight analysis (RRWA) indicated that in these models, younger people reported significantly higher levels of belief (RRWAAU = 39.89%; RRWANZ = 10.83%). The addition of psychological correlates accounted for an additional 15.7%–22.4% of the variance, with almost 30% of the variance in conspiracy belief being explained by these models. In sum, increased levels of belief was most strongly and uniquely associated with those reporting higher levels of anomie (RRWAAU = 13.93%; RRWANZ = 24.33%), disillusionment in the government (RRWAAU = 16.64%; RRWANZ = 16.83%), importance of religion and/or spirituality (RRWAAU = 8.11%; RRWANZ = 20.75%), and lower levels of analytic thinking (RRWAAU = 7.33%; RRWANZ = 6.00%). Decreased trust in others was only a significant correlate of increased levels of belief for New Zealanders (RRWANZ = 10.63%).

International Awareness and Belief in Conspiracies

Turning to awareness of international conspiracies, once again demographic variables were weak correlates explaining between 1.6% and 2.0% of the variance (see Table S6 in the online supporting information for results). Apart from Australian men who indicated greater awareness of international conspiracy theories, demographic variables were not significant correlates. The addition of psychological motives did increase the explanatory power of the model of awareness but similar to local conspiracies only led to a modest R2 of 8.6%–9.0%. For both countries less trust in others, lower analytic thinking, and greater social political conservatism was associated with increased awareness of international conspiracy theories. Specific to New Zealanders, those who were more disillusioned with the national government reported greater awareness, and for Australians, those with greater levels of anomie were more likely to report having heard international conspiracies.

Given the equivalence of belief in international conspiracy theories across Australia and New Zealand, we report one set of analyses, collapsed across countries. Demographic predictors explained a small portion of the variance in belief of international conspiracies (8.4%; see Table 4 for results). Overwhelmingly age was an important predictor, with younger people (RRWA = 21.34%), and those who lived in Rural or Remote areas as compared to those in Metropolitan and Urban areas (RRWA = 0.57%), reporting greater levels of conspiracy belief. The addition of psychological motives suggested that almost one-third of the variance in international conspiracy-theory endorsement (R2 = 29.1%) could be explained by demographic and motivational correlates. In order of relative and unique importance, it was individuals with higher levels of anomie (RRWA = 27.38%), decreased trust in others (RRWA = 15.92%), higher levels of disillusionment in government (RRWA = 12.84%), and importance of religion and/or spirituality (RRWA = 10.43%) who reported significantly higher levels of conspiracy belief related to international narratives. Smaller significant contributions to increased belief in international conspiracies were social political conservatism (RRWA = 4.51%) and decreased levels of analytic thinking (RRWA = 3.82%), with economic political conservatism not being a significant predictor. While analyses indicated equivalence in conspiracy beliefs across countries, they also suggested that belief that scientists are creating a climate change panic for their self-interest may be distinctive from the other narratives, inconsistent with a monological account of conspiracy belief.

General Discussion

Our first aim was to systematically examine levels of awareness and conspiracy belief in Australasia. We found that for both New Zealanders and Australians there was a high level of awareness of conspiracy theories, especially international ones. In addition, international conspiracy theories were both more heard of and more highly endorsed, and Australians, overall, believed and endorsed more conspiracies than their trans-Tasman neighbors in New Zealand. While mean levels suggested Australians believed more in conspiracy theories, relationships between conspiracy belief in international conspiracy narratives were consistent across both countries. Conspiracy theories appear to be quite familiar to Australasians, with most people reporting they believed one or more, suggesting beliefs were not “aberrant.”

In our examination of how epistemic, existential, and relational motives were related to both awareness and belief in conspiracies, we found that they are consistently associated with belief, and less so with awareness of conspiracies—thus, supporting our first five hypotheses and final overall hypothesis. Our models predicting belief in specific local and international conspiracy theories explained almost a third of the variance predominately from general psychological motives and factors but less so with demographic predictors. It is not only important that we accounted for a substantial proportion of the variance in conspiracy belief using general psychological motivations, but also that these motivations were not able to account for one-tenth of the variance in conspiracy awareness. On the whole, this suggests that conspiracy belief may function to serve distinct basic human motives consistent with a systems justification account (Jost et al., 2008), whereas awareness does not seem to have the same function. Belief in specific conspiracy theories may function akin to a heuristic, helping individuals find meaning in large and random complex events, given the negative relationship between belief and analytic thinking (Kovic & Füchslin, 2018). While this epistemic motive was a significant unique correlate of conspiracy belief, existential and relational functions may be more experientially meaningful. Relative weight analyses suggest, at least for our chosen motivational exemplars, that relational motives (anomie and disillusionment with the government), as well as some existential motives (trust and religious ideologies) seem to be relatively more important in predicting conspiracy belief than an epistemic need (analytical thinking). Our results reflect the complex nature of conspiracy belief and indicate that multiple existential and relational motives are key in understanding why and who believe in conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theories are characterized by reference to clandestine actions, depicting distrustful powerful groups. As compared with the role of analytic thinking and increased levels of anomie, disillusionment with the government were all stronger unique correlates of increased belief in conspiracy theories. Consistent with previous research (e.g., Goertzel, 1994; Jolley & Douglas, 2014b), these associations likely reflect increased alienation with society and feelings of being let down by the national government by those with increased levels of conspiracy belief. In addition, we found that those with lower levels of trust in their neighbors, the police, and justice system reported greater levels of conspiracy belief (Goertzel, 1994; Lantian et al., 2016). These relational and existential motives, which may be conceptually distinct but in practice may have considerable overlap as indicated by the intercorrelations between these constructs, suggest conspiracy belief being associated with broad social and political disengagement. It may be that conspiracy belief functions to reduce uncertainty and maintain a safe and stable environment as well as defend against a personal threat to one’s image and that of their group.

Increased importance in religion or spirituality was associated with greater conspiracy belief, consistent with previous research (Mancosu et al., 2017). This suggests that a role of belief is to reduce uncertainty, similar to a function that organized faith systems may serve. In addition, our research also reported the first known examination of a multidimensional political ideology alongside conspiracy belief. While small, but significant, relationships were found between both economic and social political ideology and conspiracy belief, together in a model it was the latter that was more meaningful. Given social conservatism is associated authoritarianism, whereas economic conservatism is associated with social dominance (Duckitt, 2001), these findings are consistent with previous findings that the former is a stronger predictor of conspiracism (Bruder et al., 2013) but diverge slightly from recent research in U.S. samples showing equal importance of these forms of ideology with belief in a specific conspiracy and conspiracism more generally (van der Linden et al., 2020). In our samples, belief in conspiracy theories may function to reduce threat more for those motivated to maintain authority and social order.

Finally, as predicted there were weaker relationships between epistemic, existential, and relational motives and conspiracy-theory awareness. Having heard of local conspiracy theories was linked with a greater sense of being let down or feeling cheated by the government, and lower levels of analytic thinking was associated with higher levels of belief in international conspiracies. However, it is unlikely this effect is due to overclaiming knowledge (Pennycook & Rand, 2018), given that the recall of a conspiracy theory is independent of its unproven nature. Furthermore, those who identified as more socially conservative were also more aware of international conspiracies, which may suggest some individuals are better able to recall narratives that challenge social order and authority and offer explanations for large and complex random events.

Limitations and Future Directions

A strength of our approach was that we reported findings on two samples, both nationally representative on age, gender, and region. At the same time, there were some limitations to the present study due to our method and sampling. Both samples comprised of nonrandom online panels that may not be representative of other characteristics. For instance, our samples reported higher incomes and were more educated than the general population, factors associated with decreased belief in conspiracy theories (e.g., Douglas et al., 2016). While we controlled for these and other demographic variables in order to test the relationship of motives with conspiracy belief in line with system justification theory, the generalizability of our effects to individuals who do not participate in online panels may be difficult to assess. Due to the cross-sectional design, caution should be exercised about causal interpretations; some of the reported relationships may be the result of causal effects in the opposite direction to those hypothesized or the result of third variables. This is especially important, given recent focus not only on whether levels of conspiracy belief are due to underlying motives, but also whether these motives satisfy belief in conspiracy theories. For instance, experimental studies have begun to address issues of causality around how exposure to conspiracy theories change underlying motives such as increased sense of powerlessness (Jolley & Douglas, 2014b) and reduce conspiracy belief when control is affirmed (van Prooijen & Acker, 2015). While our study was confirmatory in nature (i.e., we have reported how our sample was determined, any data exclusions, and all analyses conducted to test these hypotheses), it was not preregistered (Nosek, Ebersole, DeHaven, & Mellor, 2018).

Future research should examine whether conspiracy theories satisfy underlying psychological motives (Douglas et al., 2017) with the use of large-scale longitudinal surveys. Furthermore, while research on the psychology of conspiracy theories has grown rapidly in the past decade (Douglas et al., 2019), future research should continue to seek to understand the impact of these narratives on political engagement (e.g., voting, civic engagement), health and well-being (e.g., vaccination, public health), science denial (e.g., climate change, 5G phone networks), and prejudice (e.g., minority group attitudes). Emerging research also suggests that cognitive training around misinformation, including conspiracy theories, may reduce the perceived reliability and persuasiveness of fake-news articles, which may provide a method to redress the epistemic motivation (Roozenbeek & van der Linden, 2019); however, it may also be important to focus on existential or relational needs. This study involved a selective choice of conspiracies and motivational exemplars that while conceptually distinct in practice may overlap somewhat. Future research may benefit from additional predictors of belief in conspiracies such as collective narcissism (Cichocka, Marchlewska, Golec de Zavala, & Olechowski, 2016) and intergroup threat (van Prooijen & Song, 2020) which may be important in differentiating between local and international narratives. Extending previous research on conspiracy endorsement as motivated reasoning (Miller et al., 2016) and examining how general political awareness might attenuate, exacerbate, or change how motives are associated with both awareness and belief in conspiracy theories may be important for future research. Our systematic examination of belief in local and international conspiracies was important in describing levels of awareness and belief in Australasia and suggests the importance of underlying psychological motives in understanding conspiracy belief.

In conclusion, awareness of conspiracy theories in New Zealand and Australia is common, and most people believe in at least one local or international conspiracy. There is little evidence to suggest that belief in conspiracy theories is reserved for the fringe dwellers of society. Our results suggest that basic human motives may give rise to these extraordinary beliefs for many ordinary people.

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Date: 3/07/2021 17:07:21
From: Michael V
ID: 1759743
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

Thanks Arts.

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Date: 3/07/2021 17:09:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1759744
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

just get the preprint

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Date: 3/07/2021 17:12:13
From: Arts
ID: 1759745
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

probably could have just done with the abstract and the discussion, but some people like to read about the method. I was a bit skeptical about the demographics but they seem to hold up…

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Date: 3/07/2021 17:56:26
From: dv
ID: 1759757
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

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Date: 3/07/2021 19:30:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1759825
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

dv said:


buffy said:

There must be more than that

Nope.

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Date: 3/07/2021 19:35:35
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1759829
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

A couple I’ve heard of …
There was an underground atomic bomb test, run by the Japanese terrorist group that did the sarin gas attack on the subway in Japan a couple of decades ago.
There’s four long rectangular(ish) bands in the middle of Australia that are hotter than the surrounding countryside, by infra-red photos from orbit.

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Date: 3/07/2021 19:49:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1759835
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

Spiny Norman said:


A couple I’ve heard of …
There was an underground atomic bomb test, run by the Japanese terrorist group that did the sarin gas attack on the subway in Japan a couple of decades ago.
There’s four long rectangular(ish) bands in the middle of Australia that are hotter than the surrounding countryside, by infra-red photos from orbit.

I suppose I can think of two.

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Date: 3/07/2021 22:18:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1759878
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

i worked in one place (a large and sprawling industrial complex) and on a regular basis i would have to perform repairs in the weirdest of places with the weirdest type of damage being done to something in just a way to make the job hard to perform and take much longer than normal. i suspected sabotage after the third time of finding strange damage and mooted it to a fellow worker; he told me there used to be someone called “casper” who worked there. at some time in the point casper had suffered a serious injury and months later when returning to work he had asked the company to give him a pay out for his injury and he’d leave. the problem was casper hadn’t been injured at work but elsewhere outside of work hours and space.

casper was aggrieved and he spiralled into a strange mental condition, someone mentioned that they would look up now and then to see caspers face framed by a small square window high up in a lunchroom overlooking the process, slowly looking from left to right. thats when the weird damage started being discovered, one amusing story has every alarm going off in the place with no one being able to understand what has gone wrong ( this became a regular event usually 15 mins before knock off for the day shift involving smaller emergencies). a team was formed to work out what the hell was going on, everything possible had been reset and examined all to no avail ; then someone suddenly remembered – there was a valve high in the boiler house serviced by one staircase that led only to the valve. quickly the team set off to the boiler house, they quickly made their way up the stairs when who did they see strolling down half way down? all eyes were on casper as he strolled past them – making them all the more sure that the valve had been moved. sure enough the valve was found shut, quickly opened then all the alarms fell silent.

interestingly casper had been allowed to roam the process for at least a year before they finally fired him , presumably unofficially for sabotage. the weird damage around the place wasn’t a figment of my imagination , casper had been doing untold damage around the place against their better judgement.

conspiracy theories are simply joining dots leading up to damage being done, any service technician is a conspiracy theorist its how they find the root cause of damage.

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Date: 3/07/2021 22:20:43
From: dv
ID: 1759882
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

Have we discussed The Dismissal?

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Date: 3/07/2021 22:40:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1759899
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

i don’t really worry about conspiracy theories anymore, there’s little you can do. false flag attacks on the australian population will most likely be carried out by ASIO or some similar acronym laden with letters, its the perennial problem of secret police overreach and mission creep, thinking they know how to run a country – they are people that produce nothing and do no real work ( like most gov departments ) smart guys but dangerous to themselves and everyone that pays their wages. what normally happens is the government and intelligence agencies become infiltrated by stupid / dangerous people and collapse society nothing works anymore and no one knows why. its natural because such agencies are “flexible” in how they think 2 + 2 = 5. the fellah that took hostages in the chocolate shop was a known criminal, the intelligence agencies were fully aware of how dangerous he was yet strangely ignored him. how do you explain how australian agencies have ignored chinese companies buying up or taking control of major infrastructure for decades without a whimper of protest? ideological subversion.

if i were you i wouldn’t worry about it.

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Date: 4/07/2021 04:16:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1759945
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

dv said:


Have we discussed The Dismissal?

Change the words “Harold Holt” to “Gough Whitlam” in the following.


I suppose I can think of two.

  • Harold Holt. He was actually doing great things for Australia, such as decimalisation and stopping the white Australia policy. And the Liberal Party didn’t like that so knocked him off.
  • The Australian Government destroyed most of the files relating to World War 2, so people would never know that the Japanese bombed Darwin every day for more than 10 months, that Japanese infiltrators nearly managed to poison Perth’s water supply, etc.
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Date: 4/07/2021 04:32:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1759947
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

so is any distinction made between conspiracy theories that are true and those that are false

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Date: 4/07/2021 05:01:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1759950
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


so is any distinction made between conspiracy theories that are true and those that are false

Not that I’ve heard of.

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Date: 4/07/2021 08:09:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1759953
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


so is any distinction made between conspiracy theories that are true and those that are false

Could you give us some examples of these true conspiracy theories of which you speak?

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Date: 4/07/2021 09:47:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1759966
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

so is any distinction made between conspiracy theories that are true and those that are false

Could you give us some examples of these true conspiracy theories of which you speak?

yes

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Date: 4/07/2021 10:04:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1759970
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

so is any distinction made between conspiracy theories that are true and those that are false

Could you give us some examples of these true conspiracy theories of which you speak?

yes

Then perhaps you should.

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Date: 4/07/2021 10:06:55
From: Tamb
ID: 1759972
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Could you give us some examples of these true conspiracy theories of which you speak?

yes

Then perhaps you should.


If they are true are they still a theory?

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Date: 4/07/2021 10:09:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1759974
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

yes

Then perhaps you should.


If they are true are they still a theory?

Well the scientists would say they are not a theory until they have been shown to be probably true (or at least not demonstrably false).

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Date: 4/07/2021 10:11:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1759977
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Then perhaps you should.


If they are true are they still a theory?

Well the scientists would say they are not a theory until they have been shown to be probably true (or at least not demonstrably false).

Aren’t they really just hypotheses?

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Date: 4/07/2021 10:13:53
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1759978
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

I think they, whoever “they” are, are using the word “theory” in the layman’s sense. That’s my theory anyway.

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Date: 4/07/2021 10:59:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1760004
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Could you give us some examples of these true conspiracy theories of which you speak?

yes

Then perhaps you should.

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:05:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760008
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

yes

Then perhaps you should.

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

Not sure that should be counted as a conspiracy theory, but if it is, good example.

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:09:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1760013
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

https://www.readersdigest.com.au/true-stories-lifestyle/12-crazy-conspiracy-theories-actually-turned-out-be-true

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:10:48
From: buffy
ID: 1760014
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

yes

Then perhaps you should.

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy theory. That is simple coverup. It’s not made up.

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:11:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1760015
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Then perhaps you should.

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

Not sure that should be counted as a conspiracy theory, but if it is, good example.

Well we didn’t identify the required components so fair.

We mean “How about spoken and unspoken agreement within political circles to maintain widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties¿”.

Another might be the infiltration of scientific and other supposedly objective advisory bodies by designated corporate and other private entities on a quid pro quo basis ¿

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:18:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1760019
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Then perhaps you should.

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy theory. That is simple coverup. It’s not made up.

Interesting perspective.

  1. At what scale or complexity does cover up become conspiracy ¿
  2. Does conspiracy theory require fabrication ¿
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Date: 4/07/2021 11:19:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760022
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy theory. That is simple coverup. It’s not made up.

Interesting perspective.

  1. At what scale or complexity does cover up become conspiracy ¿
  2. Does conspiracy theory require fabrication ¿

1. Don’t know
2. Surely it does. Doesn’t “conspiracy” imply that people are conspiring?

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:22:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1760025
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

Not sure that should be counted as a conspiracy theory, but if it is, good example.

Well we didn’t identify the required components so fair.

We mean “How about spoken and unspoken agreement within political circles to maintain widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties¿”.

Another might be the infiltration of scientific and other supposedly objective advisory bodies by designated corporate and other private entities on a quid pro quo basis ¿

Well certainly that goes on (I guess), and can be considered conspiratorial, but to be a conspiracy theory, doesn’t it need to be widely rejected, rater than widely accepted?

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Date: 4/07/2021 11:26:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1760027
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy theory. That is simple coverup. It’s not made up.

Interesting perspective.

  1. At what scale or complexity does cover up become conspiracy ¿
  2. Does conspiracy theory require fabrication ¿

1. Don’t know
2. Surely it does. Doesn’t “conspiracy” imply that people are conspiring?

we mean fabrication as in spurious assertions, and conspire as in secretly work together

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Date: 4/07/2021 13:43:19
From: dv
ID: 1760105
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

mollwollfumble said:


SCIENCE said:

so is any distinction made between conspiracy theories that are true and those that are false

Not that I’ve heard of.

It’s kind of becoming a skunked term.

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Date: 4/07/2021 14:12:00
From: transition
ID: 1760112
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

sure

how about widespread, persistent and egregious covering up of sexual abuse, discrimination and bullying within political parties

I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy theory. That is simple coverup. It’s not made up.

Interesting perspective.

  1. At what scale or complexity does cover up become conspiracy ¿
  2. Does conspiracy theory require fabrication ¿

i’d expect most conspiratorial forces probably generate normal, acceptable normal, most of the more benign world (and experience of) might be considered conspiracy

my senses right now are conspiring by way of looking for or detecting correspondences between or of them(or absences or anomalies)

subject conspiracy theories, i’ve been indulging one for a few days now, haven’t concluded anything, it may remain an unconclusion, a working unconclusion, not entirely useless maybe

the idea goes as follows

some of the media, notably the national broadcaster have assumed some of the job of the federal Labor party, and in a way negotiate issues and the trajectory of change with the present government (S. Morrison etc), and in so doing the national broadcaster ends up serving some of the agenda of the Liberals, and federal Labor is effectively weakened by this

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Date: 4/07/2021 14:20:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1760118
Subject: re: Australasian conspiracy theories

As dv indicated, “conspiracy theory” these days is usually shorthand for “baseless conspiracy theory”. Such that people discussing what they believe to be genuine conspiracies will say “this is not a conspiracy theory, it’s real.”

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