The original source for the John Hopkins University jump in cases is so far unknown. Perhaps we’ll find out tomorrow.
John Hopkins University, OurWorldInData has offered a retraction of their jump in cases for Singapore.
The number of new cases on 30 June was minus 138 cases.
They just made a slip. The cumulative cases in Singapore for Worldometers exactly matches OurWorldInData day by day, except for 29 June where Worldometers has the correct cumulative value of 62,563 cases and OurWorldInData has a wrong value of 62,909 vases.
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Let’s have a look at UK mortality. Australia has one of the highest proportions of delta variant in the world.
The case fatality rate (mortality rate) in the UK hasn’t dropped much yet because people are still dying from the alpha strain (Kent strain) and other strains before delta strain hit.
In another two weeks, we’re going to be able to use the UK data to get a very reliable measurement of delta strain mortality. Hmm, mortality in India is near 1.3% and that has a high delta variant rate. Perhaps what the newspapers claimed as a 0.1% mortality rate for the delta variant is wrong.
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Delta Variant. The following chart shows some of the countries with high proportions of delta variant.
The first take-away from this chart is that quarantine all around the world is still total crap.
A second take-away from the chart is that it started in Nepal rather than India.
Interesting how the case rate in Indonesia has matched that in the UK.
One more point. The delta variant is still insignificant in most South American countries.
Given that Delta Variant began in Nepal and then migrated to Nepal. Other countries being infected later.
We’re talking about a 1.3 to 1.4% case fatality rate (mortality rate) for the Delta Variant.
Still too high. Much higher than the Singapore strain for example. Even significantly higher than the initial Australia / New Zealand 0.7% mortality.
And quite different to the newspaper claim of 0.1 to 0.2%, which we can now discard.
As against a world average of 2.2% mortality rate. The following graph is for the Delta Variant.
Petty as it may be, I can’t deny a sense of schadenfreude in seeing Australia’s maniacal pandemic strategy wobble from 10,000 miles across the ocean; with a slew of fresh clampdowns enacted just as the rest of the Western world is getting back to normal.
Since the earliest of these dark days, that nation’s zero Covid approach has been widely hailed, certainly by lockdown fanatics, as the very pinnacle of success in winning the (spoiler alert: unwinnable) fight against this virus. But there are no medals to be won in this race until it’s over. The true test won’t be until Fort Knox Australia releases the shackles from its inhabitants and reopens to the rest of the world – still a far, far-off prospect.
It’s almost as if the Australian Government wants to revel in its isolation forever. While lockdowns have been proven across the globe merely to, at the very best, delay the inevitable, the overlords Down Under have been in no rush to execute the only plan that will actually work (jabs jabs jabs) to protect their citizens when they do reopen their borders. Only a feeble five per cent have been inoculated thus far.
But why bother? In a sentiment that defies logic, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has already admitted he has no intention of resuming international travel even once the whole population is vaccinated. Nor will he permit Australians who are now double-jabbed to leave their own country.
What a terrifying affront to people’s freedom of movement, after injecting them (in some cases mandatorily, as is the case for certain workers in the country) with a so-called safeguard against the virus only to deny them their ticket out of dodge. Exactly where is the escape hatch, under this totalitarian regime?
When Virgin Australia boss Jayne Hrdlicka had the audacity to suggest last month that “we can’t keep Covid out forever”, stating, in light of the vaccine efficacy, “some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu,” Morrison dismissed the comments as “insensitive”.
I’ll tell you what’s insensitive, Morisson. The fact that half of your citizens are either first or second-generation nationals, meaning almost all of them have been separated from their close relatives abroad for nearly 15 months. And that tens of thousands of Australians are stranded overseas still to this day, registered as wanting to ‘return urgently’, many of whom have taken their case as far as the UN Human Rights Committee.
I might have grudgingly conceded that it was worth it – being cut off from seeing my own South Australia-based father and siblings for what will be several years – if the pursuit had worked. But it hasn’t. The Delta variant made it through the tight net anyway, escaping from hotel quarantine facilities in Sydney, Perth, Brisbane and Darwin, and forcing two-thirds of the population back into lockdown this week.
What’s worse, while in the UK nearly 90 per cent of adults have amassed Covid-19 antibodies, the vast majority of Australians have no natural immunity to this ever-mutating pathogen – some version of which was always going to break past the walls – or indeed to any other of the garden variety foreign bugs they’ve been denied a healthy exposure to for more than a year and a half.
Mark my words, the long-awaited twist in Australia’s gloat-fest is nearly upon us.
“The sheer reality is we can’t stay locked up for the next five years,” said leading Australian epidemiologist Professor Tony Blakely this month (although I wouldn’t put that timeline past Morisson at this rate). Discussing recent modelling, Blakely conceded that even with 90 per cent of the country vaccinated, “it will be bumpy when we open the borders”.
He added, echoing the prophecies of many a health expert before him: “We will have to let Covid wash through the community, so we must have a discussion about what the health system is able to manage to allow that.” Really? That discussion, only now, as Americans and Europeans cast off their face masks with glee?
James Powditch, who runs an art business in Sydney and probably speaks for many, told CNN this week: “We can’t leave the country, people can’t come in, and we end up periodically in lockdowns, which cost a friggin’ fortune. People have been accepting that this is a diabolically difficult situation, but once we start watching the rest of the world open up, we’re going to turn to anger.”
Too right. Strap in, Australia. Your hard-won Covid battle has only just begun.
maybe a dickhead wrote that, that’s the word the came to my mind, impression I got
yeah we don’t agree with their bullshit but thought it’s worth knowing what some out there believe
meanwhile they’re (UK) getting a bit of this flattening now so
and as mentioned before deaths lag a month or so but only a small bump so far
newer evidence is suggesting that all of those “protective” vaccines are symmetrically protective, as in yes they prevent infection but if infected then there is no relatively greater protection against severe and fatal disease
Our Legal Heritage: James Macpherson – hung for being an ‘Egyptian’
He has attained folk hero status as a sort of Scottish Robin Hood and at Burns Suppers around the country this weekend his execution will be recalled with performances of ‘Macpherson’s Farewell’ also known as Macpherson’s ‘Rant’ or ‘Lament’.
But who was the 25-year old who met his end on a gallows in Banff on November 16, 1700 and why was he accused of being an Egyptian?
Macpherson was a ‘dykesider’, the term for an illegitimate Laird’s offspring in the North East of Scotland. He was born as the result of a liaison between his father, Macpherson of Invereshie, and a traveller girl after they met at a wedding. He was raised in his father’s house until Macpherson senior’s untimely death whereupon his mother reclaimed him but he always remained on good terms with both sides of his family.
He was said to cut quite a dash and was “in beauty, strength and stature rarely equalled.” He was a legendary swordsman and a gifted fiddler. To what extent his attributes have been exaggerated in the telling – we’ll never know. But he does seem to have been a charismatic figure and attracted a band of traveller followers who paid scant regard to the law.
Macpherson and his men targetted rich lairds and wealthy farmers and seem to have enjoyed some support from local folk. Eventually they became so emboldened that their entry to towns on market days would be preceded by a piper. His reign of robbery, mayhem and terror extended across Aberdeenshire in the market towns of Keith, Forres, Banff and Elgin but finally incurred the displeasure of Lord Duff of Braco who made several attempts to capture Macpherson. On one occasion he was detained but was freed by his brother who was assisted by the populace of Aberdeen.
He was finally captured by Duff and his men at the Saint Rufus Fair in Keith. Macpherson’s men put up stiff resistance and one of them was killed. But Duff prevailed and Macpherson was taken to the tolbooth in Banff under heavy guard.
In 1609, the Scottish Parliament passed an act against Romani groups known as the “Act against the Egyptians”, which made it lawful to condemn, detain and execute Gypsies if they were known or reputed to be ethnically Romani.
It was not the most enlightened piece of legislation and the sentencing statement made at Macpherson’s trial makes interesting reading:
“Forasmeikle as you James Macpherson, pannal, are found guilty by ane verdict of ane assyse, to be knoun, holden, and repute to be Egiptian and a wagabond, and oppressor of his Magesties free lieges in ane bangstrie manner, and going up and down the country armed, and keeping mercats in ane hostile manner, and that you are a thief, and that you are of pessimae famae. Therfor, the Sheriff-depute of Banff, and I in his name, adjudges and discernes you the said James Macpherson to be taken to the Cross of Banff, from the tolbooth thereof, where you now lye, and there upon ane gibbet to be erected, to be hanged by the neck to the death by the hand of the common executioner, upon Friday next, being the 16th day of November instant, being a public weekly mercat day, betwixt the hours of two and three in the afternoon….”
In the run up to his execution Macpherson composed his famous ‘Rant’ and Duff is said to have ordered the Banff clock to be put forward to thwart a reprieve that was on its way. Macpherson sang his lament on the gallows and smashed his fiddle before meeting his fate.
Our Legal Heritage: James Macpherson – hung for being an ‘Egyptian’
He has attained folk hero status as a sort of Scottish Robin Hood and at Burns Suppers around the country this weekend his execution will be recalled with performances of ‘Macpherson’s Farewell’ also known as Macpherson’s ‘Rant’ or ‘Lament’.
But who was the 25-year old who met his end on a gallows in Banff on November 16, 1700 and why was he accused of being an Egyptian?
Macpherson was a ‘dykesider’, the term for an illegitimate Laird’s offspring in the North East of Scotland. He was born as the result of a liaison between his father, Macpherson of Invereshie, and a traveller girl after they met at a wedding. He was raised in his father’s house until Macpherson senior’s untimely death whereupon his mother reclaimed him but he always remained on good terms with both sides of his family.
He was said to cut quite a dash and was “in beauty, strength and stature rarely equalled.” He was a legendary swordsman and a gifted fiddler. To what extent his attributes have been exaggerated in the telling – we’ll never know. But he does seem to have been a charismatic figure and attracted a band of traveller followers who paid scant regard to the law.
Macpherson and his men targetted rich lairds and wealthy farmers and seem to have enjoyed some support from local folk. Eventually they became so emboldened that their entry to towns on market days would be preceded by a piper. His reign of robbery, mayhem and terror extended across Aberdeenshire in the market towns of Keith, Forres, Banff and Elgin but finally incurred the displeasure of Lord Duff of Braco who made several attempts to capture Macpherson. On one occasion he was detained but was freed by his brother who was assisted by the populace of Aberdeen.
He was finally captured by Duff and his men at the Saint Rufus Fair in Keith. Macpherson’s men put up stiff resistance and one of them was killed. But Duff prevailed and Macpherson was taken to the tolbooth in Banff under heavy guard.
In 1609, the Scottish Parliament passed an act against Romani groups known as the “Act against the Egyptians”, which made it lawful to condemn, detain and execute Gypsies if they were known or reputed to be ethnically Romani.
It was not the most enlightened piece of legislation and the sentencing statement made at Macpherson’s trial makes interesting reading:
“Forasmeikle as you James Macpherson, pannal, are found guilty by ane verdict of ane assyse, to be knoun, holden, and repute to be Egiptian and a wagabond, and oppressor of his Magesties free lieges in ane bangstrie manner, and going up and down the country armed, and keeping mercats in ane hostile manner, and that you are a thief, and that you are of pessimae famae. Therfor, the Sheriff-depute of Banff, and I in his name, adjudges and discernes you the said James Macpherson to be taken to the Cross of Banff, from the tolbooth thereof, where you now lye, and there upon ane gibbet to be erected, to be hanged by the neck to the death by the hand of the common executioner, upon Friday next, being the 16th day of November instant, being a public weekly mercat day, betwixt the hours of two and three in the afternoon….”
In the run up to his execution Macpherson composed his famous ‘Rant’ and Duff is said to have ordered the Banff clock to be put forward to thwart a reprieve that was on its way. Macpherson sang his lament on the gallows and smashed his fiddle before meeting his fate.
Petty as it may be, I can’t deny a sense of schadenfreude in seeing Australia’s maniacal pandemic strategy wobble from 10,000 miles across the ocean; with a slew of fresh clampdowns enacted just as the rest of the Western world is getting back to normal.
Since the earliest of these dark days, that nation’s zero Covid approach has been widely hailed, certainly by lockdown fanatics, as the very pinnacle of success in winning the (spoiler alert: unwinnable) fight against this virus. But there are no medals to be won in this race until it’s over. The true test won’t be until Fort Knox Australia releases the shackles from its inhabitants and reopens to the rest of the world – still a far, far-off prospect.
It’s almost as if the Australian Government wants to revel in its isolation forever. While lockdowns have been proven across the globe merely to, at the very best, delay the inevitable, the overlords Down Under have been in no rush to execute the only plan that will actually work (jabs jabs jabs) to protect their citizens when they do reopen their borders. Only a feeble five per cent have been inoculated thus far.
But why bother? In a sentiment that defies logic, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has already admitted he has no intention of resuming international travel even once the whole population is vaccinated. Nor will he permit Australians who are now double-jabbed to leave their own country.
What a terrifying affront to people’s freedom of movement, after injecting them (in some cases mandatorily, as is the case for certain workers in the country) with a so-called safeguard against the virus only to deny them their ticket out of dodge. Exactly where is the escape hatch, under this totalitarian regime?
When Virgin Australia boss Jayne Hrdlicka had the audacity to suggest last month that “we can’t keep Covid out forever”, stating, in light of the vaccine efficacy, “some people may die but it will be way smaller than the flu,” Morrison dismissed the comments as “insensitive”.
I’ll tell you what’s insensitive, Morisson. The fact that half of your citizens are either first or second-generation nationals, meaning almost all of them have been separated from their close relatives abroad for nearly 15 months. And that tens of thousands of Australians are stranded overseas still to this day, registered as wanting to ‘return urgently’, many of whom have taken their case as far as the UN Human Rights Committee.
I might have grudgingly conceded that it was worth it – being cut off from seeing my own South Australia-based father and siblings for what will be several years – if the pursuit had worked. But it hasn’t. The Delta variant made it through the tight net anyway, escaping from hotel quarantine facilities in Sydney, Perth, Brisbane and Darwin, and forcing two-thirds of the population back into lockdown this week.
What’s worse, while in the UK nearly 90 per cent of adults have amassed Covid-19 antibodies, the vast majority of Australians have no natural immunity to this ever-mutating pathogen – some version of which was always going to break past the walls – or indeed to any other of the garden variety foreign bugs they’ve been denied a healthy exposure to for more than a year and a half.
Mark my words, the long-awaited twist in Australia’s gloat-fest is nearly upon us.
“The sheer reality is we can’t stay locked up for the next five years,” said leading Australian epidemiologist Professor Tony Blakely this month (although I wouldn’t put that timeline past Morisson at this rate). Discussing recent modelling, Blakely conceded that even with 90 per cent of the country vaccinated, “it will be bumpy when we open the borders”.
He added, echoing the prophecies of many a health expert before him: “We will have to let Covid wash through the community, so we must have a discussion about what the health system is able to manage to allow that.” Really? That discussion, only now, as Americans and Europeans cast off their face masks with glee?
James Powditch, who runs an art business in Sydney and probably speaks for many, told CNN this week: “We can’t leave the country, people can’t come in, and we end up periodically in lockdowns, which cost a friggin’ fortune. People have been accepting that this is a diabolically difficult situation, but once we start watching the rest of the world open up, we’re going to turn to anger.”
Too right. Strap in, Australia. Your hard-won Covid battle has only just begun.
Our Legal Heritage: James Macpherson – hung for being an ‘Egyptian’
He has attained folk hero status as a sort of Scottish Robin Hood and at Burns Suppers around the country this weekend his execution will be recalled with performances of ‘Macpherson’s Farewell’ also known as Macpherson’s ‘Rant’ or ‘Lament’.
But who was the 25-year old who met his end on a gallows in Banff on November 16, 1700 and why was he accused of being an Egyptian?
Macpherson was a ‘dykesider’, the term for an illegitimate Laird’s offspring in the North East of Scotland. He was born as the result of a liaison between his father, Macpherson of Invereshie, and a traveller girl after they met at a wedding. He was raised in his father’s house until Macpherson senior’s untimely death whereupon his mother reclaimed him but he always remained on good terms with both sides of his family.
He was said to cut quite a dash and was “in beauty, strength and stature rarely equalled.” He was a legendary swordsman and a gifted fiddler. To what extent his attributes have been exaggerated in the telling – we’ll never know. But he does seem to have been a charismatic figure and attracted a band of traveller followers who paid scant regard to the law.
Macpherson and his men targetted rich lairds and wealthy farmers and seem to have enjoyed some support from local folk. Eventually they became so emboldened that their entry to towns on market days would be preceded by a piper. His reign of robbery, mayhem and terror extended across Aberdeenshire in the market towns of Keith, Forres, Banff and Elgin but finally incurred the displeasure of Lord Duff of Braco who made several attempts to capture Macpherson. On one occasion he was detained but was freed by his brother who was assisted by the populace of Aberdeen.
He was finally captured by Duff and his men at the Saint Rufus Fair in Keith. Macpherson’s men put up stiff resistance and one of them was killed. But Duff prevailed and Macpherson was taken to the tolbooth in Banff under heavy guard.
In 1609, the Scottish Parliament passed an act against Romani groups known as the “Act against the Egyptians”, which made it lawful to condemn, detain and execute Gypsies if they were known or reputed to be ethnically Romani.
It was not the most enlightened piece of legislation and the sentencing statement made at Macpherson’s trial makes interesting reading:
“Forasmeikle as you James Macpherson, pannal, are found guilty by ane verdict of ane assyse, to be knoun, holden, and repute to be Egiptian and a wagabond, and oppressor of his Magesties free lieges in ane bangstrie manner, and going up and down the country armed, and keeping mercats in ane hostile manner, and that you are a thief, and that you are of pessimae famae. Therfor, the Sheriff-depute of Banff, and I in his name, adjudges and discernes you the said James Macpherson to be taken to the Cross of Banff, from the tolbooth thereof, where you now lye, and there upon ane gibbet to be erected, to be hanged by the neck to the death by the hand of the common executioner, upon Friday next, being the 16th day of November instant, being a public weekly mercat day, betwixt the hours of two and three in the afternoon….”
In the run up to his execution Macpherson composed his famous ‘Rant’ and Duff is said to have ordered the Banff clock to be put forward to thwart a reprieve that was on its way. Macpherson sang his lament on the gallows and smashed his fiddle before meeting his fate.
yeah we don’t agree with their bullshit but thought it’s worth knowing what some out there believe
meanwhile they’re (UK) getting a bit of this flattening now so
and as mentioned before deaths lag a month or so but only a small bump so far
newer evidence is suggesting that all of those “protective” vaccines are symmetrically protective, as in yes they prevent infection but if infected then there is no relatively greater protection against severe and fatal disease
so choose between
that bump is going to get a lot bigger
it really is affecting younger age groups more
they’re lying
Yes, choose between those. I don’t think many countries are lying about Covid any more except:
lying about the number of people cured and therefore the number of active cases. eg. UK.
slow updates, often a week late and sometimes more than a month late.
insufficient testing, particularly in central Africa and also in all countries with fighting in the streets.
data missing from OurWorldInData (eg. for the past 5 years it has still said that all Australia’s tap water is undrinkable, and it was 6 months late in posting China’s vaccination data).
A quick question, probably posted on the forum before but if so I missed it.
What antiviral drugs are effective against Covid? And how are they distributed around the world?
(I’m not asking about vaccines, I’m asking about treatments).
Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has recorded 35 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
Ms Berejiklian said, “there were 35 cases of community transmission although 24 of those were in isolation for the entire period so pleasingly whilst the numbers have gone up today, pleasingly 24 of those 35 were in isolation for that entire period.”
Seven of those were in the community while infectious.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has recorded 35 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
Ms Berejiklian said, “there were 35 cases of community transmission although 24 of those were in isolation for the entire period so pleasingly whilst the numbers have gone up today, pleasingly 24 of those 35 were in isolation for that entire period.”
Seven of those were in the community while infectious.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has recorded 35 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
Ms Berejiklian said, “there were 35 cases of community transmission although 24 of those were in isolation for the entire period so pleasingly whilst the numbers have gone up today, pleasingly 24 of those 35 were in isolation for that entire period.”
Seven of those were in the community while infectious.
As a Victorian….schadenfreude exists.
High testing numbers.
“We’ve had 58,373 tests reported to 8:00pm last night so that will be a record for a Sunday. It is important that we do not get fatigued with our testing.”
Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has recorded 35 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
Ms Berejiklian said, “there were 35 cases of community transmission although 24 of those were in isolation for the entire period so pleasingly whilst the numbers have gone up today, pleasingly 24 of those 35 were in isolation for that entire period.”
Seven of those were in the community while infectious.
As a Victorian….schadenfreude exists.
On my regular afternoon dog walk on Saturday there were more than average numbers of people out exercising. In about half a dozen cases the exercise consisted of a group of 5 or more people having a maskless lengthy natter.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian says NSW has recorded 35 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
Ms Berejiklian said, “there were 35 cases of community transmission although 24 of those were in isolation for the entire period so pleasingly whilst the numbers have gone up today, pleasingly 24 of those 35 were in isolation for that entire period.”
Seven of those were in the community while infectious.
As a Victorian….schadenfreude exists.
On my regular afternoon dog walk on Saturday there were more than average numbers of people out exercising. In about half a dozen cases the exercise consisted of a group of 5 or more people having a maskless lengthy natter.
A quick question, probably posted on the forum before but if so I missed it.
What antiviral drugs are effective against Covid? And how are they distributed around the world?
(I’m not asking about vaccines, I’m asking about treatments).
A quick question, probably posted on the forum before but if so I missed it.
What antiviral drugs are effective against Covid? And how are they distributed around the world?
(I’m not asking about vaccines, I’m asking about treatments).
they’ve been trialling remdesivir
Thanks! Looking it up.
“Remdesivir, sold under the brand name Veklury, is a broad-spectrum antiviral medication.”
“Remdesivir was originally created and developed by Gilead Sciences in 2009”
2009, that’s old technology, almost archaic. What’s more recent?
The final report on Remdesivir in Covid was wriiten on 22 May 2020. Peer review held up publication until 8 Oct 2020 and then 5 Nov 2020. Bloody peer review, literally bloody in this case.
But the final report showed that Remdesivir reduced the Covid mortality rate from 15.2% to 11.4%. Which was great news when the covid mortality rate was 15.2%, but now it’s 2.2% worldwide.
“Updated guidelines from the World Health Organization in November 2020 include a conditional recommendation against the use of Remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19.”
Farkenel.
“the antiviral Remdesivir is 10 times more effective in treating cells infected with SARS-CoV-2 when combined with drugs currently used to treat hepatitis C virus.”
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Which is the safest country in the world right now for Covid?
Turkmenistan and North Korea are still claiming no cases. I’m not sure if they’re lying, probably are.
Tanzania (population 50M) is almost certainly lying through its teeth. The last reported case was 8 May 2020.
Some small countries are still reporting no deaths ever. Dominica (194 cases), New Caledonia (127 cases), Anguilla, Falklands, Macao, Greenland, Vatican, Saint Pierre, Solomons, Marshall Isles, Samoa, St Helena, Micronesia.
Countries sorted by date of last covid death. All (I think) other countries have had at least one covid death in the last month.
Brunei 16 Jun 2020
Iceland 29 Dec 2020
Grenada 3 Jan
Bhutan 8 Jan China 25 Jan NZ 15 Feb Australia 12 Apr
Vanuatu 21 Apr
St Vincent 6 May
Sao Tome 23 May
Laos 28 May
Mauritius 30 May
Luxembourg 1 Jun
Monaco 1 Jun
This list of countries with no Covid deaths in the past month is frighteningly short.
It does not include, for example, Liechtenstein.
“From this week, the number of GP clinics delivering the Pfizer vaccine will swell to around 500.”
Except they won’t be delivering because:
“But the bulk of Pfizer doses are due to arrive from October, with 40 million doses of Pfizer (and Moderna) vaccine due for the final quarter of the year.”
I don’t imagine there is much to “setting up” – it’s now just like all the other vaccines the GPs deal with all the time.
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In April, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) said the Pfizer vaccine could be kept at normal freezer temperatures for up to two weeks during transport, and at regular fridge temperatures for up to five days.
“Once it’s been thawed from super-cold temperatures to vaccine fridge temperatures, we know that the vaccine remains stable for 31 days,” the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners’ Anita Munoz said.
“So that means that general practices can get involved because they can use the fridges that they’ve always had at their disposal.”
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Quotey bits cut from that article linked at the top.
so what we’re saying is that if the messaging had been clear and honest and consistent from the outset then we would have far less of such problems
far fewer…
no, the number of problems will remain similar but the size of them measured on a discrète scale will be fewer
the potentials of transmission chains involve serial events, and parallel events, making the exponentials more complex to track and contain, and the exponential math isn’t pretty with a 1.5>2+x increase in transmissibility
largely Australia has focused on front-end containment, or firewalling if you like
which has been quite successful, we don’t murder people that way, by unnecessarily facilitating the exporting and importing of a biological hazard, and letting it go wild, certainly not prematurely before the status of the disease is known, best prophylaxis etc
no, the number of problems will remain similar but the size of them measured on a discrète scale will be fewer
the potentials of transmission chains involve serial events, and parallel events, making the exponentials more complex to track and contain, and the exponential math isn’t pretty with a 1.5>2+x increase in transmissibility
largely Australia has focused on front-end containment, or firewalling if you like
which has been quite successful, we don’t murder people that way, by unnecessarily facilitating the exporting and importing of a biological hazard, and letting it go wild, certainly not prematurely before the status of the disease is known, best prophylaxis etc
Rachmawati Soekarnoputri, daughter of Indonesia’s first president Sukarno and sister to Megawati, has died from Covid-19, aged 70.
My suspicion based on anecdotal evidence that the official counts in Indo are on the low side continues to mount, based on the number of people in our circle who have been affected. A very close friend of ours has just told us that both of her parents are down with the Covid, struggling to breathe and also struggling to obtain bottled oxygen which is in very short supply. They couldn’t get a hospital bed so they are being cared for at home by one of their daughters, who has now also caught it.
Rachmawati Soekarnoputri, daughter of Indonesia’s first president Sukarno and sister to Megawati, has died from Covid-19, aged 70.
My suspicion based on anecdotal evidence that the official counts in Indo are on the low side continues to mount, based on the number of people in our circle who have been affected. A very close friend of ours has just told us that both of her parents are down with the Covid, struggling to breathe and also struggling to obtain bottled oxygen which is in very short supply. They couldn’t get a hospital bed so they are being cared for at home by one of their daughters, who has now also caught it.
“ It is the most competitive global environment imaginable.
And through the course of this, we’ve been fortunate to ensure that there was sovereign domestic manufacturing and that’s seen at this point in time over 5 million AstraZeneca vaccines delivered, including 4.3 million of those as first doses.
And that means that we’re in a very strong position to have absolute security of supply over the rest of the AstraZeneca program and then internationally we have 40 million Pfizer due this year.
We have 10 million Moderna. And we have an order of 51 million Novavax and we’re expecting the first arrivals of that to occur in the last quarter of the year at this stage. We are hopeful for earlier.”
We should have plenty…our population is about 26 million. People need two doses. And the very young are not being vaccinated at this point. The numbers there are 40 million (Pfizer) + 10 million (Moderna) + 51 million (Novavax) = 101 million….on top of the AstraZeneca that we make here.
“ It is the most competitive global environment imaginable.
And through the course of this, we’ve been fortunate to ensure that there was sovereign domestic manufacturing and that’s seen at this point in time over 5 million AstraZeneca vaccines delivered, including 4.3 million of those as first doses.
And that means that we’re in a very strong position to have absolute security of supply over the rest of the AstraZeneca program and then internationally we have 40 million Pfizer due this year.
We have 10 million Moderna. And we have an order of 51 million Novavax and we’re expecting the first arrivals of that to occur in the last quarter of the year at this stage. We are hopeful for earlier.”
We should have plenty…our population is about 26 million. People need two doses. And the very young are not being vaccinated at this point. The numbers there are 40 million (Pfizer) + 10 million (Moderna) + 51 million (Novavax) = 101 million….on top of the AstraZeneca that we make here.
Matbe they are going to get everyone to have two or three different vaccines over the next year or so, just to make sure.
Or maybe we are also supplying some to poorer nations in the Pacific, so we don’t run out of fruit pickers.
Marky McG has approved of next stage restriction lifting.. at least until the end of the week.. we’ll be back to two weeks ago freedom before we know it as long as the international boat people stop making land.
He’s pretty tame at a presser, but he does love to rub in to NSW in the most subtle not subtle way.
Marky McG has approved of next stage restriction lifting.. at least until the end of the week.. we’ll be back to two weeks ago freedom before we know it as long as the international boat people stop making land.
He’s pretty tame at a presser, but he does love to rub in to NSW in the most subtle not subtle way.
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
Marky McG has approved of next stage restriction lifting.. at least until the end of the week.. we’ll be back to two weeks ago freedom before we know it as long as the international boat people stop making land.
He’s pretty tame at a presser, but he does love to rub in to NSW in the most subtle not subtle way.
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
in my whole WA life it doesn’t really happen outside of sports ball groups… and covid control fuckups.
“Anyone — including guests, staff and contractors — who was on any level of the Meriton Suites, 30 Danks Street, Waterloo, for any ampount of time between 7:00pm on Saturday June 26, to 8:00am this morning, must immediately get tested and isolate until you receive further advice from NSW Health.”
Marky McG has approved of next stage restriction lifting.. at least until the end of the week.. we’ll be back to two weeks ago freedom before we know it as long as the international boat people stop making land.
He’s pretty tame at a presser, but he does love to rub in to NSW in the most subtle not subtle way.
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
in my whole WA life it doesn’t really happen outside of sports ball groups… and covid control fuckups.
I got bagged for the NSW numberplate which said “the premier state”.
I had to remind the lady that I got the joke. When she said that she’d accept “the first state” but you aren’t the premier state. But that it was not me who printed the numbeplate.
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
in my whole WA life it doesn’t really happen outside of sports ball groups… and covid control fuckups.
I got bagged for the NSW numberplate which said “the premier state”.
I had to remind the lady that I got the joke. When she said that she’d accept “the first state” but you aren’t the premier state. But that it was not me who printed the numbeplate.
In Nifty Neville’s day we thought it should read The Premier’s State
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
in my whole WA life it doesn’t really happen outside of sports ball groups… and covid control fuckups.
I got bagged for the NSW numberplate which said “the premier state”.
I had to remind the lady that I got the joke. When she said that she’d accept “the first state” but you aren’t the premier state. But that it was not me who printed the numbeplate.
well, you got me.. that’s the sum of all things then
Marky McG has approved of next stage restriction lifting.. at least until the end of the week.. we’ll be back to two weeks ago freedom before we know it as long as the international boat people stop making land.
He’s pretty tame at a presser, but he does love to rub in to NSW in the most subtle not subtle way.
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
We tend to lump all of the rest of the mainland together and call them “the Eastern States”.
If you ever hear an Aussie mention that phrase it is highly likely they were raised in WA.
Marky McG has approved of next stage restriction lifting.. at least until the end of the week.. we’ll be back to two weeks ago freedom before we know it as long as the international boat people stop making land.
He’s pretty tame at a presser, but he does love to rub in to NSW in the most subtle not subtle way.
That’s a WAlien perogative. To bag the new south welshmen.
We tend to lump all of the rest of the mainland together and call them “the Eastern States”.
If you ever hear an Aussie mention that phrase it is highly likely they were raised in WA.
the eastern seaboard. for the more eastern of the states, the eastern states for anything easter than our state.
Mm. Just read that. I suspect parts could have been released so they didn’t look quite so stupid.
often part of agreements involves elements of agreement that act to exclude or limit potential interference, third parties, potentially hostile parties (commercial in confidence for example), whatever, in this or that case it could be other governments, nation states, and given the uncertainties, or potential uncertainties, there’s probably some provision for variations for example
I mean there could have emerged a vaccine greed, leading to conflict
of course Australians aren’t vaccine greedy, we’re above that
Mm. Just read that. I suspect parts could have been released so they didn’t look quite so stupid.
oh we thought AstraZeneca and their sycophants supporters were the good guys, altruists, they were donating the best vaccines in the world to the rest of the world, they were doing the Right right thing
If I try the phone number for the clinic, there’s no answer, and their website says don’t ring but book online instead.
Direct attempt to book online from clinic’s website fails – web page doesn’t open.
Direct attempt to book from hotdoc website fails – website not found.
Side attack online gets as far as ‘can’t book vaccine online – phone clinic directly’.
Ie. all I get is being led around in circles.
OK, try again from the very beginning. Password not high enough security (It was for first covid vaccination). Need to put in full details of bloody everything again, including twice saying if I’m a torres strait islander.
Oh great, they’ve now shut down every vaccination centre within driving distance. At least the closest ten for first vaccination have all been shut down now.
“Liquid error: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. Liquid error: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.”
I give up. Managed to book for myself, finally, but can’t boof for mrs m.
If I try the phone number for the clinic, there’s no answer, and their website says don’t ring but book online instead.
Direct attempt to book online from clinic’s website fails – web page doesn’t open.
Direct attempt to book from hotdoc website fails – website not found.
Side attack online gets as far as ‘can’t book vaccine online – phone clinic directly’.
Ie. all I get is being led around in circles.
OK, try again from the very beginning. Password not high enough security (It was for first covid vaccination). Need to put in full details of bloody everything again, including twice saying if I’m a torres strait islander.
Oh great, they’ve now shut down every vaccination centre within driving distance. At least the closest ten for first vaccination have all been shut down now.
“Liquid error: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. Liquid error: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.”
I give up. Managed to book for myself, finally, but can’t boof for mrs m.
In this village you just phone the local medical centre and ask the receptionist for an appointment for a Covid shot.
I just booked it when I was there to see the GP, for two days later.
apparently our politicians trashtalk CHINA ostensibly because they run a corrupt authoritarian system but then you realise that “they” refers to our politicians
deserves an award, i’m trying to conjure an analogy to clarify the genius in the idea
imagine a really hot windy summers day, 47C and blowing 60km/h wind, you’re really worried about a fire starting, getting burnt out, so you go start one to resolve the anxiety about one starting, then you know there is a fire, and further you’re reassured because it’s burning madly downwind and you know if a fire starts upwind from you it’ll stop where it’s already burnt out
further, after a wind change the two fires may join together and become indistinguishable, become one, and much bigger, and your job is done, your wildfire is burning out a very impressive firebreak
epidemiologist Tony Blakely from the University of Melbourne said despite these promising signs, NSW did not appear ready to lift stay-at-home restrictions.
“For a lockdown to be successful, we really need to see the number of notified cases that are out in the community down to zero,” Professor Blakely said.
“There’s still cases popping up in the community where they’ve been infectious … that means there’s community transmissions happening
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was this one of the Let It Rip purveyors before
¿
we apologise that we cannot recall
there are so many conflicting interests and jokers out there it’s impossible to remember who is paid out by which corruptioneer
On Monday, the United Kingdom recorded 27,334 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, while during that time period another nine people died after testing positive for COVID-19 in the past 28 days – taking the total death toll to 128,231 people since the pandemic began early last year.
Deaths and hospitalisations are significantly down, thanks mainly to the UK’s ambitious vaccination drive that has seen more than 45 million people – nearly 86 per cent of adults – receive their first vaccine, while 33 million have had two doses.
maybe a more honest portrayal would be “deaths and hospitalisations are significantly down, thanks mainly to the natural lag between cases and deaths if not the falsified reporting” but we haven’t been there recently
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
in case you missed it
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
“We’ve got evidence now that COVID is not harmless in children, that they’re getting these longer symptoms, they’re getting sometimes seriously affected,” emergency medicine doctor Noor Bari said. “I think if you can avoid something like that, you should take that chance.”
not sure (1) when your ABC finally dug up the experts and (2) how it took them so damn long as in over 12 months but hey now we’re on the same page we can be thankful
China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin on Monday repeated the claims, warning Australia to “stop interfering with and undermining vaccine cooperation between China and Pacific island countries”.
On Monday, the United Kingdom recorded 27,334 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, while during that time period another nine people died after testing positive for COVID-19 in the past 28 days – taking the total death toll to 128,231 people since the pandemic began early last year.
Deaths and hospitalisations are significantly down, thanks mainly to the UK’s ambitious vaccination drive that has seen more than 45 million people – nearly 86 per cent of adults – receive their first vaccine, while 33 million have had two doses.
maybe a more honest portrayal would be “deaths and hospitalisations are significantly down, thanks mainly to the natural lag between cases and deaths if not the falsified reporting” but we haven’t been there recently
> thanks mainly to the UK’s ambitious vaccination drive that has seen more than 45 million people – nearly 86 per cent of adults – receive their first vaccine, while 33 million have had two doses.
> thanks mainly to the natural lag between cases and deaths.
Or:
thanks mainly to the lower mortality rate of the delta variant.
thanks mainly to the exposure of people to virus fragments during the first and second waves of infections.
China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin on Monday repeated the claims, warning Australia to “stop interfering with and undermining vaccine cooperation between China and Pacific island countries”.
“Some people in Australia use the vaccine issue to engage in political manipulation and bullying, which is a disregard for the life and health of Papua New Guinea people, goes against the basic humanitarian spirit, seriously interferes with the overall situation of global cooperation against the pandemic,” Mr Wang said.
On Monday, the United Kingdom recorded 27,334 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, while during that time period another nine people died after testing positive for COVID-19 in the past 28 days – taking the total death toll to 128,231 people since the pandemic began early last year.
Deaths and hospitalisations are significantly down, thanks mainly to the UK’s ambitious vaccination drive that has seen more than 45 million people – nearly 86 per cent of adults – receive their first vaccine, while 33 million have had two doses.
maybe a more honest portrayal would be “deaths and hospitalisations are significantly down, thanks mainly to the natural lag between cases and deaths if not the falsified reporting” but we haven’t been there recently
OR(
thanks mainly to the UK’s ambitious vaccination drive that has seen more than 45 million people – nearly 86 per cent of adults – receive their first vaccine, while 33 million have had two doses.
thanks mainly to the natural lag between cases and deaths.
thanks mainly to the lower mortality rate of the delta variant.
thanks mainly to the exposure of people to virus fragments during the first and second waves of infections.
)/OR
3 seems unlikely but 4 is possible
however
the definitive reinfections seem so far to not be any less severe
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
in case you missed it
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
“We’ve got evidence now that COVID is not harmless in children, that they’re getting these longer symptoms, they’re getting sometimes seriously affected,” emergency medicine doctor Noor Bari said. “I think if you can avoid something like that, you should take that chance.”
not sure (1) when your ABC finally dug up the experts and (2) how it took them so damn long as in over 12 months but hey now we’re on the same page we can be thankful
It matters little what you said considering there was limited evidence at the time.
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
in case you missed it
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
“We’ve got evidence now that COVID is not harmless in children, that they’re getting these longer symptoms, they’re getting sometimes seriously affected,” emergency medicine doctor Noor Bari said. “I think if you can avoid something like that, you should take that chance.”
not sure (1) when your ABC finally dug up the experts and (2) how it took them so damn long as in over 12 months but hey now we’re on the same page we can be thankful
It matters little what you said considering there was limited evidence at the time.
Witty Rejoinder is incorrect of course, because when faced with a highly infectious, evidently lethal disease at a time, then being careful while evidence is being gathered, is a far safer course of action. It only matters little what we said because there was abundant evidence that people refused to listen at the time.
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
in case you missed it
While the full extent of the long-term effects of COVID-19 on children is not yet known, experts are concerned.
“We’ve got evidence now that COVID is not harmless in children, that they’re getting these longer symptoms, they’re getting sometimes seriously affected,” emergency medicine doctor Noor Bari said. “I think if you can avoid something like that, you should take that chance.”
not sure (1) when your ABC finally dug up the experts and (2) how it took them so damn long as in over 12 months but hey now we’re on the same page we can be thankful
It matters little what you said considering there was limited evidence at the time.
Witty Rejoinder is incorrect of course, because when faced with a highly infectious, evidently lethal disease at a time, then being careful while evidence is being gathered, is a far safer course of action. It only matters little what we said because there was abundant evidence that people refused to listen at the time.
Ummm no. Should we attribute your prognostications to premonition or clairvoyance?
It matters little what you said considering there was limited evidence at the time.
Witty Rejoinder is incorrect of course, because when faced with a highly infectious, evidently lethal disease at a time, then being careful while evidence is being gathered, is a far safer course of action. It only matters little what we said because there was abundant evidence that people refused to listen at the time.
Ummm no. Should we attribute your prognostications to premonition or clairvoyance?
Welcome to Reality, where the major goals of SCIENCE are to
Describe
Explain
Predict
Control
phenomena, a process some people may have heard of before¡
Witty Rejoinder is incorrect of course, because when faced with a highly infectious, evidently lethal disease at a time, then being careful while evidence is being gathered, is a far safer course of action. It only matters little what we said because there was abundant evidence that people refused to listen at the time.
Ummm no. Should we attribute your prognostications to premonition or clairvoyance?
Welcome to Reality, where the major goals of SCIENCE are to
Describe
Explain
Predict
Control
phenomena, a process some people may have heard of before¡
China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin on Monday repeated the claims, warning Australia to “stop interfering with and undermining vaccine cooperation between China and Pacific island countries”.
“Some people in Australia use the vaccine issue to engage in political manipulation and bullying, which is a disregard for the life and health of Papua New Guinea people, goes against the basic humanitarian spirit, seriously interferes with the overall situation of global cooperation against the pandemic,” Mr Wang said.
two people who were “unfortunately were infectious in the community”
“The lockdown is having its desired effect to date, no doubt about that.
“But it is still concerning that a number of cases are remaining infectious in the community for that period of time.
“And some cases have been received are quite historic, so people have been exposed in the community for a number of days and that is not what we want to see. “
and then
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says decisions will be made “as late as possible” about ending the lockdown for Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour.
softening the blow just like how vaccine decisions should be made as late as possible hey, absolves them governments of buying up the good stuff
Ms Berejiklian stepped in amid a bit of tension in the media scrum. Here’s what she had to say:
“The citizens of New South Wales should feel confident they have a government that will base its decisions on the best health advice but also not provide unnecessary burdens.
“Of all of us stick together and do the right thing, not only will we come through this, but we will show the way that it is possible to balance all the needs of our citizens without compromising safety.
“And I just want everybody, irrespective of how excitable some of the people might get, that we all have no reason to feel unnecessarily stressed or unnecessarily concerned about the future, quite the contrary.
“Please know you have a government that first and foremost will keep you safe but will also allow you to go about your daily business without too much stress.
“So please know that.
“I don’t want anyone to feel worried or concerned, but we are always very honest to say that the Delta strain is different and so that is why we are in the situation we are in but moving forward, people should look at our track record and know that we will move forward with confidence and in the best interests of our citizens.”
How about the guilt of infecting hundreds, even thousands of people, thanks to bullshit and shit pandemic management, is there any horrible guilt in that ¿
By Dannielle Maguire
Berejiklian: the guilt of infecting someone else is horrible
The NSW Premier was asked about whether the people who turned themselves in after the party at the Meriton Suites in Waterloo.
She said it was important to people to be honest to contact tracers:
“I said that yesterday, do not underestimate the personal emotion and stress you go through when you intentionally do something wrong and the impact it has.
“And let that be a deterrent.
“It is a horrible experience to go through to know that your actions have caused others to be in enormous grief and stress, and with.
“We have seen very younger people hospitalised, Dr Chant did go through all the numbers but there are younger and younger people needing to be hospitalised, it is very random.
remember how Delta strain in Victoria is very much the same as before and it was the authorities that were failing
that exponential growth is a surprise too, original COVID-19 strains never did that
By Dannielle Maguire
Praise for NSW contact tracers
Reporter: You said from the start of this lockdown that the measure of success is how many people were out of the committee while infectious. In the second week we are still seeing people out of the committee while infectious. Does that we don’t have a handle on the situation yet?
Berejiklian: What it shows is quite the opposite. I have never seen rapid response like that. The only difference is this time round, the Delta strain is very different. The cases increase exponentially, they don’t just increase in raw numbers but the rate of increase can go through the roof.
How about the guilt of infecting hundreds, even thousands of people, thanks to bullshit and shit pandemic management, is there any horrible guilt in that ¿
By Dannielle Maguire
Berejiklian: the guilt of infecting someone else is horrible
The NSW Premier was asked about whether the people who turned themselves in after the party at the Meriton Suites in Waterloo.
She said it was important to people to be honest to contact tracers:
“I said that yesterday, do not underestimate the personal emotion and stress you go through when you intentionally do something wrong and the impact it has.
“And let that be a deterrent.
“It is a horrible experience to go through to know that your actions have caused others to be in enormous grief and stress, and with.
“We have seen very younger people hospitalised, Dr Chant did go through all the numbers but there are younger and younger people needing to be hospitalised, it is very random.
Quite a few members of the public have been doing dumb arse stuff not just lying but escaping from quarantine.
Pretty efficient set up. There’s a seated queue to check in, then a seated queue for the vax, and then they have you wait for 15 minutes in case of acute reactions. They are getting through them at about 10 per minute.
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“Berejiklian: the guilt of infecting someone else is horrible”
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probably true, though minus the amplifying language it’s more fear of adverse attention, or aversion to adverse attention, which is quite normal, normal of normal people, though i’m not sure the delivery apparatus is normal, or that the audience being audience is normal, not of that scale, but it does what it does sure as the sun rises each day, though it’s probably more like gravity these days with twenty-four hour news, never sleeps
one of the joys of the numerousness of people, need machines to get the unified messages out there, unifying messages, there was a time people only vocalized, vibrated air molecules, and that diminished or dissipated according to the inverse square law, but it all got electrified, now the echoes can be louder than the original, good sense sort of faded, a person could function with no brain at all, working imagination became redundant, but everyone was an individual, perfect for devolving stupid to the individual
…../cut/….
“Berejiklian: the guilt of infecting someone else is horrible”
…./cut by me master transition/…
probably true, though minus the amplifying language it’s more fear of adverse attention, or aversion to adverse attention, which is quite normal, normal of normal people, though i’m not sure the delivery apparatus is normal, or that the audience being audience is normal, not of that scale, but it does what it does sure as the sun rises each day, though it’s probably more like gravity these days with twenty-four hour news, never sleeps
one of the joys of the numerousness of people, need machines to get the unified messages out there, unifying messages, there was a time people only vocalized, vibrated air molecules, and that diminished or dissipated according to the inverse square law, but it all got electrified, now the echoes can be louder than the original, good sense sort of faded, a person could function with no brain at all, working imagination became redundant, but everyone was an individual, perfect for devolving stupid to the individual
sorry about that, cymek, looks like you wrote it, ya didn’t
Pretty efficient set up. There’s a seated queue to check in, then a seated queue for the vax, and then they have you wait for 15 minutes in case of acute reactions. They are getting through them at about 10 per minute.
Top 10 countries by cases per population. Nine shown and the Seychelles is worse than all of them.
UK and Cypress still have low deaths – so far.
(Possible) top 10 countries by deaths per population.
Seychelles is up in that pack but values fluctuate a lot because it’s such a small country.
Watch out for Uganda and Botswana, neighbours of Namibia – both have high peak deaths specifically today.
Peru and Mexico are still up there with the world’s deadliest strains.
Plibersek backs bringing in Defence to manage vaccine logistics
I’ve been seeing a lot of your questions about why the military has been brought in to oversee the nation’s vaccine rollout.
Senior Labor MP Tanya Plibersek was asked what she thought about that when she appeared on ABC News Breakfast this morning.
Here’s what she had to say:
“Look, I certainly welcome the involvement of the military.
“They generally have good systems and approaches when you have a big operation like this underway.
“But, it does make me worry that our public health system has been run down to the extent that the federal government couldn’t manage this, using our health system, that is disappointing.
“Honestly, I guess what is frustrating about this is that there is always someone else to blame.
“It’s always someone else’s responsibility, if you are Scott Morrison.
“So, he says ‘oh, you know, the federal government, we will take care of vaccinations, don’t worry about it’.
“When it starts going off the rails, it is the states’ fault. We have to call in the military.
“If Scott Morrison showed adequate leadership in the first place, once again, we wouldn’t be having this conversation now, with just 7 per cent of our total population vaccinated.”
By Dannielle Maguire
Shadow Education Minister: big wigs business meeting should have happened earlier
Tanya Plibersek appeared on ABC News Breakfast just a few moments ago and she had a few opinions about the meeting with Treasurer Josh Frydenberg’s meeting today.
Mr Frydenberg and COVID-19 Vaccine Taskforce leader Lieutenant General John Frewen are getting together with the chief executives from some of Australia’s biggest companies to talk about how they can speed up the rollout.
Mr Plibersek said this morning’s meeting was way overdue:
ABC: What will it take to speed up the rollout, in your view?
Plibersek: I think everything needs to be on the table. I can’t believe this is the first time the government is having conversations with business leaders about workplace vaccinations. We saw yesterday the local government workers have been given leave to get vaccinated if they are in the front-line positions. We have heard calls for pharmacists and others to be included in the vaccination rollout. All of this has to be on the table. And it is frankly incredible that we are still having these conversations, with 7 per cent of our total population vaccinated. You look overseas and you have well over half the population vaccinated, in comparable countries. We have a strong health system. We have a willing population. And we are at the bottom of the pack, internationally for vaccination rates. It beggars belief.
ABC: And this meeting today is all about how business can come on board, workplace jabs and the like. Is that something you would endorse in trying to speed up this process?
Plibersek: Sure. I mean, we are used to that with flu shots. What shocks me about this that it has taken until now for us to start to have these conversations. What has Scott Morrison been doing?
Xavier Bettel reste hospitalisé suite à son infection à la COVID-19
Durant ce weekend, les symptômes observés ne se sont pas atténués, ce qui a mené le Premier ministre à être hospitalisé par précaution. À ce moment, une saturation d’oxygène insuffisante a été diagnostiquée et le Premier ministre est sous observation médicale continue depuis lors.
L’état médical présent du Premier ministre est jugé sérieux, mais stable. Ainsi, le personnel médical entourant le Premier ministre a décidé qu’une hospitalisation reste actuellement nécessaire afin de pouvoir poursuivre l’observation, ceci pour une durée estimée à 2-4 jours.
Luxembourg PM Bettel ‘serious but stable’ in hospital with coronavirus
Bettel, 48, tested positive for the virus just over a week ago, shortly after attending a summit of EU leaders in Brussels, and was admitted to hospital Sunday.
“Over the weekend, the symptoms observed did not subside, which led to the prime minister being admitted to hospital as a precaution,” the Luxembourg government said in a statement. “At that point, an insufficient saturation of oxygen was diagnosed and the prime minister has been under medical observation since then.”
It’s not clear that tougher lockdown rules would put a lot more downward pressure on the curve.
Most cases in recent days have been infected by people they live with, rather than from someone in the community. And most of the exposure sites listed by NSW Health are now places that wouldn’t be affected by tougher restrictions. “When we are interviewing cases they actually haven’t been out doing a lot of discretionary shopping,” Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said yesterday.
There must have been some pretty vicious kickback and criticism about the vaccination at that private school in Sydney because Kerry Chant this morning said:
“Clearly there was an error and I can understand the concern and sympathise with the anger in the community about that occurrence because as we know — I’ve said repeatedly that the vaccine need to be administered to those most at risk and that’s the elderly and people in those aged care workers and health care workers.
“That was a misunderstanding, a miscommunication, a misstep.
“Sydney local health direct have apologised for that.
“Certainly it’s the only case we are aware of in that regard.
“I apologise. I know my colleagues in Sydney local health direct have expressed that publicly in a media statement.”
OK. By late that night I was feeling achy and had some feverish nightmares.
Next day I woke feeling awful but the flu-like symptoms had all faded by the evening.
Back to normal the next day.
Sounds like it hit you hard.
A friend who has had both her Pfizer shots told me that I should not make any plans for tomorrow. Her symptoms after her first jab were similar to yours. After the second jab she says she noticed nothing.
There must have been some pretty vicious kickback and criticism about the vaccination at that private school in Sydney because Kerry Chant this morning said:
“Clearly there was an error and I can understand the concern and sympathise with the anger in the community about that occurrence because as we know — I’ve said repeatedly that the vaccine need to be administered to those most at risk and that’s the elderly and people in those aged care workers and health care workers.
“That was a misunderstanding, a miscommunication, a misstep.
“Sydney local health direct have apologised for that.
“Certainly it’s the only case we are aware of in that regard.
“I apologise. I know my colleagues in Sydney local health direct have expressed that publicly in a media statement.”
There must have been some pretty vicious kickback and criticism about the vaccination at that private school in Sydney because Kerry Chant this morning said:
‘“Clearly there was an error..
“That was a misunderstanding, a miscommunication, a misstep.’
Clearly the error was that the rich kids weren’t warned strongly enough to not let it leak that they got their vaccinations ‘cos they’re special.
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
Does everybody get the same dose? like say a front row forward and a little old lady?
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
Does everybody get the same dose? like say a front row forward and a little old lady?
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
Does everybody get the same dose? like say a front row forward and a little old lady?
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
Does everybody get the same dose? like say a front row forward and a little old lady?
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
Does everybody get the same dose? like say a front row forward and a little old lady?
They gave me six Sydney Harbour fulls.
Yes. Fat content doesn’t usually alter immune response.
Forget about catching Covid at Woolworths or Bunnings. It’s sure to happen here.
After walking between two queues of hundreds, supposedly the 2.15pm and 2.30pm queues, I am now waiting with perhaps another 500 people here. 3.00pm people jave just been called, and it’s 3.03pm, so not too bad, I suppose.
What is the great lie that is about to be exposed?
“Soon enough, the great lie at the heart of Australia’s default COVID-19 elimination strategy will be exposed. The disease can’t be eliminated. So, maybe now would be a good time to stop talking about a pandemic and get people used to the idea that this is an endemic disease.
“The inconvenient truth is that one day our international border will be reopened and disease will circulate here. Some people will catch it and some people will die. We should protect as many as we can but we can’t hide forever. Australia’s politicians need to take back control from the experts and weigh the idea of whether what we are doing now is simply prolonging the crisis, and the long-term harm.”
What is the great lie that is about to be exposed?
“Soon enough, the great lie at the heart of Australia’s default COVID-19 elimination strategy will be exposed. The disease can’t be eliminated. So, maybe now would be a good time to stop talking about a pandemic and get people used to the idea that this is an endemic disease.
“The inconvenient truth is that one day our international border will be reopened and disease will circulate here. Some people will catch it and some people will die. We should protect as many as we can but we can’t hide forever. Australia’s politicians need to take back control from the experts and weigh the idea of whether what we are doing now is simply prolonging the crisis, and the long-term harm.”
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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The clear plan is get everyone vaccinated first, then reopen. It always has been. The lockdowns are not about permanent elimination, they are about suppression to give a window of opportunity to complete the rollout.
What is the great lie that is about to be exposed?
“Soon enough, the great lie at the heart of Australia’s default COVID-19 elimination strategy will be exposed. The disease can’t be eliminated. So, maybe now would be a good time to stop talking about a pandemic and get people used to the idea that this is an endemic disease.
“The inconvenient truth is that one day our international border will be reopened and disease will circulate here. Some people will catch it and some people will die. We should protect as many as we can but we can’t hide forever. Australia’s politicians need to take back control from the experts and weigh the idea of whether what we are doing now is simply prolonging the crisis, and the long-term harm.”
So the great lie is only being spread by a straw man, OK.
The clear plan is get everyone vaccinated first, then reopen. It always has been. The lockdowns are not about permanent elimination, they are about suppression to give a window of opportunity to complete the rollout.
The clear plan is get everyone vaccinated first, then reopen. It always has been. The lockdowns are not about permanent elimination, they are about suppression to give a window of opportunity to complete the rollout.
The clear plan is get everyone vaccinated first, then reopen. It always has been. The lockdowns are not about permanent elimination, they are about suppression to give a window of opportunity to complete the rollout.
The clear plan is get everyone vaccinated first, then reopen. It always has been. The lockdowns are not about permanent elimination, they are about suppression to give a window of opportunity to complete the rollout.
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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I can’t see that working well for them.
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
The clear plan is get everyone vaccinated first, then reopen. It always has been. The lockdowns are not about permanent elimination, they are about suppression to give a window of opportunity to complete the rollout.
That article is brown.
Well, that’s working well…
Yeah. If only we had a competent roll out.
What the article seems to be saying is that since the rollout is going to take so long, so we should stop lockdowns anyway and just let people die.
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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I can’t see that working well for them.
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
If you don’t infect the codgers, you can’t really see how lethal it is to them…we could do a Victoria and let it rip in nursing homes in NSW, but that seems a little Swedish.
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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I can’t see that working well for them.
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
If you don’t infect the codgers, you can’t really see how lethal it is to them…we could do a Federal and let it rip in nursing homes in NSW, but that seems a little Swedish.
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
If you don’t infect the codgers, you can’t really see how lethal it is to them…we could do a Federal and let it rip in nursing homes in NSW, but that seems a little Swedish.
If you don’t infect the codgers, you can’t really see how lethal it is to them…we could do a Federal and let it rip in nursing homes in NSW, but that seems a little Swedish.
fixed.
Nah bro, you broke it.
nah, aged care where most of vic deaths were is a fed responsibility. anyway, hows your gold standard going? is that a gold standard for infecting all of australia?
nah, aged care where most of vic deaths were is a fed responsibility. anyway, hows your gold standard going? is that a gold standard for infecting all of australia?
nah, aged care where most of vic deaths were is a fed responsibility. anyway, hows your gold standard going? is that a gold standard for infecting all of australia?
It’s a fed responsibility in NSW as well…
Pretty good, almost got every state I think.
oooh, and territory. Almost forgot the territories.
nah, aged care where most of vic deaths were is a fed responsibility. anyway, hows your gold standard going? is that a gold standard for infecting all of australia?
anyway, don’t you think it is being a bit of an arsehole to keep doing these competition posts of nsw vs vic?
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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What is the great lie that is about to be exposed?
“Soon enough, the great lie at the heart of Australia’s default COVID-19 elimination strategy will be exposed. The disease can’t be eliminated. So, maybe now would be a good time to stop talking about a pandemic and get people used to the idea that this is an endemic disease.
“The inconvenient truth is that one day our international border will be reopened and disease will circulate here. Some people will catch it and some people will die. We should protect as many as we can but we can’t hide forever. Australia’s politicians need to take back control from the experts and weigh the idea of whether what we are doing now is simply prolonging the crisis, and the long-term harm.”
Don’t we all kinda know that already?
keep the experts in control bit though.
Quite. This terrible secret seems to be a widely known and frequently discussed thing.
“Take back control from the experts” oh fuck off
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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I can’t see that working well for them.
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
nah, aged care where most of vic deaths were is a fed responsibility. anyway, hows your gold standard going? is that a gold standard for infecting all of australia?
The number of fully vaccinated people in Australia has doubled since 20 June, crossing 2 million today.
Still, at the current rate of 400000 per week it will take another 9 months to get to 75% coverage.
NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/nsw-delta-variant-may-never-be-controlled/100273956
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I can’t see that working well for them.
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
No thank you.
See India.
buffy’s going to volunteer herself for the official release, ground zero, the event
it’s a phenomenon, people keen to release it but wouldn’t actually do it themselves, they want others to do it, through intended accidents of sorts
it’s a wonderful grey area of socializing forces, where everyone and nobody can be responsible simultaneously, sort of territory that provides a soft insight into self-deceptions, not too demanding that way
do they mention the reason that eradication will be unsuccessful, which is that denying selfish Economy Must Grow worshippers can’t bring themselves to do the thing that will actually maximise productivity in the long run which is get control of a pandemic
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
:(
I just turned up at our medical centre at my appointed time, waited about 5 minutes. Friendly nurse then called out “Bubblecar?” and off I went.
First thing she said was “Oh what a lovely shirt!” All over and done with in 5 minutes, then I had to wait 15 minutes in case there was an emergency reaction.
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
So you’re coming around to the idea that this pandemic is being spread by Big Parking?
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
Bummer. Still, at least it’s done now.
We’ve been waiting, and waiting and waiting. Friday week, if it doesn’t get cancelled again.
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
:(
I just turned up at our medical centre at my appointed time, waited about 5 minutes. Friendly nurse then called out “Bubblecar?” and off I went.
First thing she said was “Oh what a lovely shirt!” All over and done with in 5 minutes, then I had to wait 15 minutes in case there was an emergency reaction.
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
:(
I just turned up at our medical centre at my appointed time, waited about 5 minutes. Friendly nurse then called out “Bubblecar?” and off I went.
First thing she said was “Oh what a lovely shirt!” All over and done with in 5 minutes, then I had to wait 15 minutes in case there was an emergency reaction.
Perfect.
:)
Similar thing happened here but no comments on my shirt.
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
So you’re coming around to the idea that this pandemic is being spread by Big Parking?
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
The Lambda coronavirus variant has arrived in Australia. Here’s what we know so far
We’ve seen the Alpha, Kappa and Delta variants cross our borders, but it turns out another strain of the virus that causes COVID-19 has reached our shores.
The variant, named Lambda by the World Health Organization (WHO) last month, was detected in an overseas traveller who was in hotel quarantine in New South Wales in April, according to national genomics database AusTrakka.
Some reports suggest the new variant could be fast spreading and difficult to tackle with vaccines.
The Lambda variant is one of 11 official SARS-CoV-2 variants recognised by the World Health Organization
It was first detected in Peru and has spread to 29 countries, including Australia
A new study that has yet to be peer-reviewed found signs that the variant could be more infectious and harder to tackle with vaccination, but it’s early days
I’m going to do a devil’s advocate post and then run off to archery.
Delta doesn’t seem to be killing in Australia. Yes, I saw the NSW news conference bit about some younger people being in hospital, but without knowing if these are Fit Young Things or people who are at risk because they are not Fit Young Things, that information isn’t a lot of use. If you are going to let things run, this would probably be a good time to do it while a more benign strain is in the air. With the obvious provisos of protecting the old, the sick and the vulnerable – by making sure they get immunized and by keeping masking going in aged care, hospital settings etc. And not lapsing back into low immunization levels for the rest of us.
No thank you.
See India.
buffy’s going to volunteer herself for the official release, ground zero, the event
it’s a phenomenon, people keen to release it but wouldn’t actually do it themselves, they want others to do it, through intended accidents of sorts
it’s a wonderful grey area of socializing forces, where everyone and nobody can be responsible simultaneously, sort of territory that provides a soft insight into self-deceptions, not too demanding that way
I’m not much good for that job. I don’t get within 20cm of about a dozen faces a day any more. I’d be useless as a vector.
I’m not quite clear on this. If the patient was COVID19 positive, wouldn’t there be COVID safe conditions in place for the scan? And reaction to intravenous dye is a known complication, so wouldn’t/shouldn’t they have been prepared for that? It’s not like there are hundreds of COVID patients going for scans. This should have been a special case?
I’m not quite clear on this. If the patient was COVID19 positive, wouldn’t there be COVID safe conditions in place for the scan? And reaction to intravenous dye is a known complication, so wouldn’t/shouldn’t they have been prepared for that? It’s not like there are hundreds of COVID patients going for scans. This should have been a special case?
you mean should the health systems in a highly developed country 18 months into a pandemic be prepared to appropriately manage infectious patients
I’m not quite clear on this. If the patient was COVID19 positive, wouldn’t there be COVID safe conditions in place for the scan? And reaction to intravenous dye is a known complication, so wouldn’t/shouldn’t they have been prepared for that? It’s not like there are hundreds of COVID patients going for scans. This should have been a special case?
you mean should the health systems in a highly developed country 18 months into a pandemic be prepared to appropriately manage infectious patients
ahahahahahahahahaha
Is the only “highly developed country” in the world, China?
They seem to have the only health system that “appropriately manages infection patients”.
I spoke with someone I was queued up with, who explained that when he had his first shot 5 weeks ago there were no queues at all. Just walk in at your appt time, check in on the computer, move to your nominated ‘pod’ and wait for your number to display on the screen, go up to a station to get your shot, then wait in the Observation Area for 15 minutes. I think that would take around 30 – 40 minutes all-up, but with the queues outside I was there for more than two hours, and have the $18 parking fee (from the parking station recommended on the NSW Health brochure) charged to my credit card to prove it.
So you’re coming around to the idea that this pandemic is being spread by Big Parking?
maybe a dickhead wrote that, that’s the word the came to my mind, impression I got
yeah we don’t agree with their bullshit but thought it’s worth knowing what some out there believe
meanwhile they’re (UK) getting a bit of this flattening now so
and as mentioned before deaths lag a month or so but only a small bump so far
newer evidence is suggesting that all of those “protective” vaccines are symmetrically protective, as in yes they prevent infection but if infected then there is no relatively greater protection against severe and fatal disease
so choose between
that bump is going to get a lot bigger
it really is affecting younger age groups more
they’re lying
they kept telling us to now look at deaths, just look at deaths, so no problem, no problem at all
Miss Mexico 2021 organisers press ahead with pageant despite Covid surge among contestants
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/07/miss-mexico-2021-organisers-press-ahead-with-pageant-despite-covid-surge-among-contestants
The Duchess of Cambridge is having to self-isolate for 10 days after coming into contact with someone who later tested positive for Covid.
She had been due to spend the day with the Duke of Cambridge to mark the 73rd anniversary of the NHS.
But Prince William arrived alone for a service at St Paul’s Cathedral and a Buckingham Palace tea for NHS staff.
Kensington Palace said she does not have any symptoms, but is “following all relevant government guidelines”.
It said in a statement: “Last week the Duchess of Cambridge came into contact with someone who has subsequently tested positive for Covid-19.
“Her Royal Highness is not experiencing any symptoms, but is following all relevant government guidelines and is self-isolating at home.”
Catherine’s last public event was a visit to Wimbledon on Friday when she toured the venue and met staff in its museum and Centre Court kitchen.
She also sat with the Duke of Kent in the royal box on Centre Court and with former British number one tennis player Tim Henman on Court 14 to watch Jamie Murray play in a men’s doubles match.
Nervousness over new Covid wave stalls UK economic recovery
Data show that activity declined throughout June despite the easing of restrictions
Consumers visited and spent less in UK shops, bars and restaurants in June, according to new data, suggesting the economic recovery lost momentum following a rise in Covid-19 infections. On Monday, Boris Johnson, prime minister, announced that he intends to press ahead with the removal of all the remaining coronavirus restrictions on July 19 in an attempt to return to normality. But while economists predict the July reopening could deliver another boost to the recovery, they noted that measures of economic activity such as consumers’ mobility, bank transactions and restaurants bookings, fell throughout June or stalled despite eased restrictions as the Delta variant continued to spread.
The decline in consumer activity “could reflect increased nervousness as new infections rise”, said Kallum Pickering, senior economist at the bank Berenberg. He added that “even without new restrictions, the caution factor may drag on demand”.
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nah get real it was probably just because everyone was out enjoying the nice summer sun too much to step into a shop and buy something
Australian scientists researching how our immune system responds to COVID-19 have revealed that those infected by early variants in 2020 produced sustained antibodies, however, these antibodies are not as effective against contemporary variants of the virus.
“I think it is a reckless approach,” said Michelle O’Neill, Northern Ireland’s deputy first minister. “We will not be following the Boris Johnson model; we are a locally elected executive, we must take our own decisions in the people’s best interests here.”
“You can get a sense in terms of what’s happening in the United Kingdom when you have very large events with large crowds,” the taoiseach, Micheál Martin, told the Dáil on Tuesday. “It can go wrong.” The deputy prime minister, Leo Varadkar, said: “The prospect of packed theatres in the West End and nightclubs in Manchester being packed to the rafters is one that would concern us, quite frankly. If things go wrong in England that will have spillover effects in Ireland and other neighbouring countries.”
The president of Italy’s higher health institute gave a guarded welcome to Downing Street’s strategy but said Italy would not follow suit. “So Great Britain is reopening? Good for them,” Silvio Brusaferro told Corriere della Sera. “For us, the Covid-19 monitoring is working.”
Germany, in contrast, is to ease restrictions on arrivals from the UK from Wednesday, meaning those who can prove they are fully vaccinated or have recovered from coronavirus will no longer need to quarantine.
Johnson’s warning that England must “reconcile” itself to more deaths will not be emulated in New Zealand, the country’s Covid-19 response minister, Chris Hipkins, told a news conference. “We are likely to see more incremental change than dramatic change where we wake up one morning and say: ‘We just go back to the way things were before Covid-19,’” he said. New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, said: “Different countries are taking different choices.”
tell you who has guts to stand up and say things straight, stick to their success
“The priority for me is how do we continue to preserve what New Zealand has managed to gain and give ourselves options, because this virus is not done with the world yet.”
also
“By every metric is outperforming the alternatives – from a public health point of view, an equity point of view, a freedoms point of view … an economic point of view.” Baker said public health professionals were “disturbed” by the UK’s return to allowing Covid to circulate unchecked, and that the phrase “living with it” was a “meaningless slogan” that failed to communicate the consequences of millions of infections, or the alternative options for managing the virus. “We often absorb a lot of our rhetoric from Europe and North America, which have really managed the pandemic very badly,” he said. “I don’t think we should necessarily follow or accept Boris Johnson and co saying: “Oh, we have to learn to live with virus.’ “We always have to be a bit sceptical about learning lessons from countries that have failed very badly.”
From Wuhan to Paris to Milan, the search for ‘patient zero.
By
Eva Dou, Lyric Li, Chico Harlan and Rick Noack
July 7, 2021|Updated today at 7:43 p.m. EDT
On Dec. 8, 2019, the accountant began to feel ill.
He did not frequent Wuhan’s Huanan seafood market, he would later tell World Health Organization experts investigating the coronavirus’s origin. He preferred the RT-Mart near his home on the eastern bank of the Yangtze River — a sleek, multistory supermarket where magnetized escalator ramps sweep customers and their shopping carts from floor to floor.
He hadn’t traveled outside of Wuhan in the days before his illness. If someone caught coronavirus by crawling in a bat cave, it wasn’t him.
In the search for the pandemic’s origin, the trail officially ends with Patient S01, China’s first confirmed covid-19 case, whose sparse details were outlined in the joint WHO-China report released in March. He was not a seafood vendor, bat hunter or lab scientist. He was an accountant surnamed Chen who shopped at a very large supermarket.
“We can actually say surprisingly little about the pandemic origin,” said Sergei Pond, a Temple University biology professor, who has been analyzing some of the earliest SARS-CoV-2 genetic sequences. “We are looking at very few sequences and trying to learn a lot about them.”
Even for S01, the most scrutinized patient, details are hazy. The WHO report lists a sample sequence ID for him, EPI_ISL_403928, that belongs to a different patient, a 61-year-old market worker who died of septic shock after falling ill on Dec. 20, 2019, according to the official China National Center for Bioinformation database.
S01’s profile matches better with that of a 41-year-old whose coronavirus diagnosis at the end of December alarmed doctors — prompting one whistleblower, Li Wenliang, to leak the news on social media. But that patient is listed in the Chinese database as falling ill on Dec. 16. A WHO spokesman said the U.N. agency is looking into the discrepancy.
That so little is confirmed is unsatisfying, but not necessarily surprising. Despite intense desire to understand the pandemic’s source, it often takes years for scientists to establish the provenance and early infection path of a new disease. And China’s government hasn’t made it easier, limiting access to biological samples and original records, even to the WHO.
Researchers have collected a handful of clues — in places as far-flung as Milan and Paris — that hint at what might have happened in the days before Patient S01 fell ill. Some of the data points are uncertain or contradictory, and scientists caution that new information could surface that wipes the slate clean.
For now, this is the hazy picture emerging.
Clues in Europe
Three days before Patient S01’s symptoms began, on Dec. 5, 2019, an oral swab was taken from a 4-year-old boy outside of Milan who was suspected of having measles. Months later, it tested positive for coronavirus RNA. The case, outlined in the Emerging Infectious Diseases journal, is one of several European studies suggesting the virus may have circulated undetected overseas for weeks, even months.
Researchers in France say they found hints of the virus even earlier, in November. A team from France’s National Institute for Health and Medical Research and other institutes retrospectively examined over 9,000 serum samples banked as part of a public health project from November 2019 through March 2020.
“We found antibodies in the first week of November, but we had no money to go back further in time,” said Marie Zins, the project’s scientific director. “It’s a shame, because in November, we had seven volunteers who were positive, including two in the first week of November.”
Wuhan lab’s classified work complicates search for pandemic’s origins
In their paper, Zins’s team acknowledged the possibility of false positives but said it was unlikely to be the case for all their positive results.
Then there is the most controversial study: In a paper published in November, researchers in Italy reported traces of the coronavirus in September 2019, declaring it may “reshape the history” of the pandemic. Scientists from the National Cancer Institute of Milan and the University of Siena analyzed nearly 1,000 blood samples collected in 2019 from a cancer-screening trial. They reported more than 10 percent containing coronavirus antibodies, including samples from September 2019.
The result was striking enough for the WHO to request retesting by a different laboratory, in the Netherlands. That retesting process is now complete, but the lab declined to provide details, and the WHO referred the matter back to the original Italian researchers. An author of the original study, Giovanni Apolone, the scientific director of the National Cancer Institute of Milan, indicated there was some disagreement about how to interpret the retest results, and said that his team was working on a new paper — one the Netherlands researchers “won’t be signing.”
“I can tell you from our viewpoint, the results are favorable to our original study but in a very complex scen interview they might have detected a “less transmissible” strain that could circulate without sparking a major outbreak.
Some doctors doubt the virus could have circulated unnoticed for so long and say antibody tests can produce false positives.
Other research suggests small-scale earlier transmission was possible. In a paper published in Science magazine in April, scientists simulated a SARS-CoV-2 outbreak 1,000 times, and found it fizzled out more than two-thirds of the time. Joel Wertheim, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California at San Diego involved in the study, said their team estimated the Wuhan outbreak began in November but couldn’t rule out earlier isolated clusters.
A scientist adventurer and China’s ‘Bat Woman’ are under scrutiny as coronavirus lab-leak theory gets another look
Confirming how early patients were infected is difficult. Zins said the vast majority of those with antibodies in France had no confirmed links to China. One spent two months traveling through China but did not visit Wuhan.
Chinese officials have suggested that the virus was brought to Wuhan from abroad. This theory has found little support from scientists in other countries, partly because of the genetic similarity between SARS-CoV-2 and known bat coronaviruses from China’s south.
The Chinese Embassy in Washington said in a statement that origin study must follow the science and “can only be a joint scientific study.”
“Any action that politicizes origin-tracing poisons the atmosphere of scientific research, hampers global cooperation in this regard, and undermines global efforts to fight the virus,” it said.
In Wuhan, official searches for patients preceding Patient S01 have been unsuccessful, despite the Chinese government’s boasts in recent years of its high-tech surveillance capabilities. In the WHO report, it said local hospitals checked dozens of early suspected cases and all were negative.
At the origin
Wei Bing, a 32-year-old shop owner in Wuhan, says she doesn’t recall much out of the ordinary in autumn 2019. Wuhan hosted the Military World Games in October, an Olympics-like tournament for soldiers. The streets were extra clean, roadblocks erected around the Games sites.
“As a Wuhan resident, I was very proud,” she said.
Several scientific teams estimate the outbreak could have begun as early as October 2019. It would have been easy to miss the first cases: China was in the thick of its worst flu season in more than a decade. Official statistics show that by November 2019, there were five times the number of influenza cases across China compared to a year earlier. By December, it was ninefold.
Some U.S. lawmakers are calling for an investigation into potential coronavirus infections at the Military World Games. It was only one of a string of international events in Wuhan that autumn, each a potential path for a virus to seep overseas. With 11 million people, Wuhan has more residents than New York City.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited Wuhan in September 2019. In ensuing weeks, Wuhan hosted the Military World Games, Asia’s largest motor show, a global bridge-builders’ forum, an international material sciences gathering and a reunion of Peking University alumni. As late as Dec. 20, as clusters of seafood market workers fell ill, Alibaba founder Jack Ma and smartphone brand Xiaomi founder Lei Jun were in Wuhan for an economic conference.
Trump administration’s hunt for pandemic ‘lab leak’ went down many paths and came up with no smoking gun
There were early rumors. One Wuhan resident, Stella Zhou, recalled to The Washington Post that she heard talk of a mysterious pneumonia at a child-care center on Dec. 8, 2019, the same day Patient S01 fell ill, and nearly a month before the official announcement. Another resident, Zhu Wei, said some early cases probably went undiagnosed.
“Everyone around me has the feeling that the real number was far higher than the official count,” Zhu said. “At first, there were many who didn’t have a chance to get tested or couldn’t get medical treatment.”
The WHO report mentions earlier suspected patients but said they were not made available for interviews.
In their follow-up recommendations, the WHO experts called for a review of early blood samples from the Wuhan Blood Center and medical records from the Military World Games. The WHO did not reply to questions about whether these reviews took place. The Wuhan Blood Center, Wuhan CDC and Hubei province CDC did not respond to requests for comment.
For most of 2020, the earliest case was believed to be a Wuhan resident who fell ill on Dec. 1, 2019. This was revised in the WHO report: He was determined to have suffered other illness in early December, contracting the coronavirus later that month with his wife in a family cluster.
The revision turned the accountant surnamed Chen, with Dec. 8, 2019, symptom onset, into the official first case.
Chasing loose ends
By November 2019, the coronavirus had probably infected a small number of people in Wuhan, scientists say. The city bustled with activity, creating endless paths that a virus could travel.
On Nov. 2, a handful of Italian exchange students sat down at bright blue desks at a Wuhan university to try their hand at Chinese calligraphy. The next week, 2,000 people clad in “hanfu,” the flowing ancient Chinese robes, converged at the Yellow Crane Tower for a festival. Later in November, some 200,000 people, including visitors from 20 countries, toured an agricultural expo.
That month, a Chinese wildlife conservation scientist made a routine visit to the Huanan market he had tracked for two years and confirmed it was still selling wild animals in poor hygienic conditions, as his team later wrote in the Nature journal.
And on Nov. 19, 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology held an annual staff safety training session. Deputy director of security Hu Qian discussed safety problems found during audits over the past year, according to a post on the institute’s website.
The institute did not respond to questions on what kind of safety lapses were found in the audits. Its leadership has vehemently denied having encountered SARS-CoV-2 before the pandemic or the occurrence of any lab leaks.
The WHO report called the theory of a lab leak starting the pandemic “extremely unlikely.” A number of scientists have since said they believed it remained a possibility, including Jesse Bloom, a computational biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.
“The origins of SARS-CoV-2 remain unclear, with the two plausible theories being a natural zoonosis or a lab accident,” Bloom said.
Beijing pushes back at criticism of WHO coronavirus origin report, insists China shared data
The origin search has been hobbled by scarce early information, some of it unreliable or missing.
The online archives of two local state-run newspapers, the Hubei Daily and Chutian Metro Daily, can no longer be accessed before Nov. 5, 2019, according to checks by The Post. The newspapers’ publisher did not respond to a request for comment.
Bloom made waves last month when he announced that he recovered 13 early coronavirus genetic sequences that had been deleted from a database by researchers in Wuhan for unknown reasons.
“As scientists, we need to find ways to obtain more data about the earliest cases,” he said.
Pond, the Temple University professor, says Bloom’s paper underscored just how little data exists on the early days of the pandemic. Those recovered sequences fill some gaps in their reconstruction of how the virus evolved, strengthening the theory that the Huanan market wasn’t the sole source of the outbreak, he said.
“Even as few as 13 new sequences, which if you think about it, is a tiny amount, can fairly substantially modify the understanding of the pandemic origin,” Pond said.
New South Wales health authorities are providing an update on the state’s COVID-19 situation, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier warning residents to expect higher figures today.
New South Wales health authorities are providing an update on the state’s COVID-19 situation, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier warning residents to expect higher figures today.
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this is going to be genius
NSW records 38 new local cases
18 were in isolation for the entire time
Nine were in isolation for part of the time
And 11 were infectious in the community for a “number of days”
New South Wales health authorities are providing an update on the state’s COVID-19 situation, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier warning residents to expect higher figures today.
While measures are yet to be finalised, Mr Morrison said they may include easing restrictions and border controls for vaccinated people, raising inbound passenger caps, and reserving lockdowns for only “extreme circumstances”.
hint: they’ve secretly already done all these, the media haven’t caught up
While measures are yet to be finalised, Mr Morrison said they may include easing restrictions and border controls for vaccinated people, raising inbound passenger caps, and reserving lockdowns for only “extreme circumstances”.
hint: they’ve secretly already done all these, the media haven’t caught up
Vaccines are essential, but not the only tool
In addition to high rates of vaccine coverage, Professor Blakely said the use of contact tracing, social distancing and mask-wearing would get Australia to a point where it was safe to open up.
“Vaccination is necessary but not sufficient. So when we get to that vaccination target — whatever we set — it needs to be accompanied by retaining some of the old measures,” he said.
remember those articles 1 to 2 months ago which were screaming “vaccines are our only hope and will fix everything” id est “vaccines are necessary and sufficient” and oh how we laughed
According to the official data up to June 2021, the total number of children in Indonesia who have been infected was around 250,000 — or 12.6 per cent of the total cases. Throughout the pandemic, 676 children have died from COVID-19 — about 1.2 per cent of total deaths. Alarmingly, 50 per cent of the children who died were under five years old.
Remember how the arseholes out there were telling us it was just a mild ‘flu’, and when they were wrong, they kept telling us it would just become like a mild ‘flu’ ¿
Guess what ‘flu’ does ¡
It kills younger children ¡
Oh, also, remember how they were telling us it was impossible to stop accelerating outbreaks of COVID-19, and when they were wrong, they kept telling us it would be impossible to eliminate COVID-19 and it would become endemic, just like ‘flu’ ¿
someone provide me me with evidence the prevailing way has been zero risk, and whether like any other infectious disease is in any sense a useful proposition
someone provide me me with evidence the prevailing way has been zero risk, and whether like any other infectious disease is in any sense a useful proposition
someone provide me me with evidence the prevailing way has been zero risk, and whether like any other infectious disease is in any sense a useful proposition
you know, we haven’t always agreed with transition, but we much agree with transition
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and for the jokers out there we give another hint
You would think that “living with the virus” and not having it blow up in your face means maintaining fairly constant fairly low incidence rates, right¿
So if you have managed to achieve a fairly constant fairly low incidence rates, then “living with the virus” probably means you have to maintain what you’re already doing, to keep them there.
Let’s have a look at NSWuhan, where it looks like … fairly constant fairly low incidence rates¡¡
(see the current average of ~25/day)
So what the “live with the virus” arseholes actually want, is for NSWuhan to be locked down as it is (which it isn’t, really), forever¡¡¡
New South Wales health authorities are providing an update on the state’s COVID-19 situation, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier warning residents to expect higher figures today.
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this is going to be genius
NSW records 38 new local cases
18 were in isolation for the entire time
Nine were in isolation for part of the time
And 11 were infectious in the community for a “number of days”
big brain
This is what happens when you don’t go at it hard and fast. NSW was at least one week late to go into stay at home orders.
New South Wales health authorities are providing an update on the state’s COVID-19 situation, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier warning residents to expect higher figures today.
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this is going to be genius
NSW records 38 new local cases
18 were in isolation for the entire time
Nine were in isolation for part of the time
And 11 were infectious in the community for a “number of days”
big brain
This is what happens when you don’t go at it hard and fast. NSW was at least one week late to go into stay at home orders.
Yes, and this is what results when Gladys simply urges us to do the right thing. There are very few actual rules to follow and if I’m being honest, apart from wearing a mask when I go to Woolies, nothing here has changed for me..
New South Wales health authorities are providing an update on the state’s COVID-19 situation, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian earlier warning residents to expect higher figures today.
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this is going to be genius
NSW records 38 new local cases
18 were in isolation for the entire time
Nine were in isolation for part of the time
And 11 were infectious in the community for a “number of days”
big brain
This is what happens when you don’t go at it hard and fast. NSW was at least one week late to go into stay at home orders.
She stressed the cases were mostly concentrated in three local government areas in Sydney’s south-west which are now on high alert; Liverpool, Fairfield and Canterbury-Bankstown.
remember how they always blame the disadvantaged and migrant communities for spreading disease
and soon they’re going to use some magical hindsight sleight of mind to explain how they know this spread to western Sydney is dangerous because of stuff like that
well if they knew it
imagine if they had done a shorter, but sharper, lockdown to prevent it from flooding into the west in the first place
And 11 were infectious in the community for a “number of days”
big brain
This is what happens when you don’t go at it hard and fast. NSW was at least one week late to go into stay at home orders.
Yes, and this is what results when Gladys simply urges us to do the right thing. There are very few actual rules to follow and if I’m being honest, apart from wearing a mask when I go to Woolies, nothing here has changed for me..
+1
I go to the shops once a week and limit the shops I go to. Wear a mask in the shops and be courteous by allowing everyone their space around me.
And 11 were infectious in the community for a “number of days”
big brain
This is what happens when you don’t go at it hard and fast. NSW was at least one week late to go into stay at home orders.
Yes, and this is what results when Gladys simply urges us to do the right thing. There are very few actual rules to follow and if I’m being honest, apart from wearing a mask when I go to Woolies, nothing here has changed for me..
This is what happens when you don’t go at it hard and fast. NSW was at least one week late to go into stay at home orders.
Yes, and this is what results when Gladys simply urges us to do the right thing. There are very few actual rules to follow and if I’m being honest, apart from wearing a mask when I go to Woolies, nothing here has changed for me..
+1
I go to the shops once a week and limit the shops I go to. Wear a mask in the shops and be courteous by allowing everyone their space around me.
serious question for the wise ones out there, ¿ is a standalone supermarket (its own building, can ventilate) demonstrably safer than a supermarket embedded in a large shopping centre indoor complex, or do we just have a complex paranoia ? thanks
From Wuhan to Paris to Milan, the search for ‘patient zero.
By
Eva Dou, Lyric Li, Chico Harlan and Rick Noack
July 7, 2021|Updated today at 7:43 p.m. EDT
On Dec. 8, 2019, the accountant began to feel ill.
He did not frequent Wuhan’s Huanan seafood market, he would later tell World Health Organization experts investigating the coronavirus’s origin. He preferred the RT-Mart near his home on the eastern bank of the Yangtze River — a sleek, multistory supermarket where magnetized escalator ramps sweep customers and their shopping carts from floor to floor.
He hadn’t traveled outside of Wuhan in the days before his illness. If someone caught coronavirus by crawling in a bat cave, it wasn’t him.
In the search for the pandemic’s origin, the trail officially ends with Patient S01, China’s first confirmed covid-19 case, whose sparse details were outlined in the joint WHO-China report released in March. He was not a seafood vendor, bat hunter or lab scientist. He was an accountant surnamed Chen who shopped at a very large supermarket.
“We can actually say surprisingly little about the pandemic origin,” said Sergei Pond, a Temple University biology professor, who has been analyzing some of the earliest SARS-CoV-2 genetic sequences. “We are looking at very few sequences and trying to learn a lot about them.”
Even for S01, the most scrutinized patient, details are hazy. The WHO report lists a sample sequence ID for him, EPI_ISL_403928, that belongs to a different patient, a 61-year-old market worker who died of septic shock after falling ill on Dec. 20, 2019, according to the official China National Center for Bioinformation database.
S01’s profile matches better with that of a 41-year-old whose coronavirus diagnosis at the end of December alarmed doctors — prompting one whistleblower, Li Wenliang, to leak the news on social media. But that patient is listed in the Chinese database as falling ill on Dec. 16. A WHO spokesman said the U.N. agency is looking into the discrepancy.
That so little is confirmed is unsatisfying, but not necessarily surprising. Despite intense desire to understand the pandemic’s source, it often takes years for scientists to establish the provenance and early infection path of a new disease. And China’s government hasn’t made it easier, limiting access to biological samples and original records, even to the WHO.
Researchers have collected a handful of clues — in places as far-flung as Milan and Paris — that hint at what might have happened in the days before Patient S01 fell ill. Some of the data points are uncertain or contradictory, and scientists caution that new information could surface that wipes the slate clean.
For now, this is the hazy picture emerging.
Clues in Europe
Three days before Patient S01’s symptoms began, on Dec. 5, 2019, an oral swab was taken from a 4-year-old boy outside of Milan who was suspected of having measles. Months later, it tested positive for coronavirus RNA. The case, outlined in the Emerging Infectious Diseases journal, is one of several European studies suggesting the virus may have circulated undetected overseas for weeks, even months.
Researchers in France say they found hints of the virus even earlier, in November. A team from France’s National Institute for Health and Medical Research and other institutes retrospectively examined over 9,000 serum samples banked as part of a public health project from November 2019 through March 2020.
“We found antibodies in the first week of November, but we had no money to go back further in time,” said Marie Zins, the project’s scientific director. “It’s a shame, because in November, we had seven volunteers who were positive, including two in the first week of November.”
Wuhan lab’s classified work complicates search for pandemic’s origins
In their paper, Zins’s team acknowledged the possibility of false positives but said it was unlikely to be the case for all their positive results.
Then there is the most controversial study: In a paper published in November, researchers in Italy reported traces of the coronavirus in September 2019, declaring it may “reshape the history” of the pandemic. Scientists from the National Cancer Institute of Milan and the University of Siena analyzed nearly 1,000 blood samples collected in 2019 from a cancer-screening trial. They reported more than 10 percent containing coronavirus antibodies, including samples from September 2019.
The result was striking enough for the WHO to request retesting by a different laboratory, in the Netherlands. That retesting process is now complete, but the lab declined to provide details, and the WHO referred the matter back to the original Italian researchers. An author of the original study, Giovanni Apolone, the scientific director of the National Cancer Institute of Milan, indicated there was some disagreement about how to interpret the retest results, and said that his team was working on a new paper — one the Netherlands researchers “won’t be signing.”
“I can tell you from our viewpoint, the results are favorable to our original study but in a very complex scen interview they might have detected a “less transmissible” strain that could circulate without sparking a major outbreak.
Some doctors doubt the virus could have circulated unnoticed for so long and say antibody tests can produce false positives.
Other research suggests small-scale earlier transmission was possible. In a paper published in Science magazine in April, scientists simulated a SARS-CoV-2 outbreak 1,000 times, and found it fizzled out more than two-thirds of the time. Joel Wertheim, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California at San Diego involved in the study, said their team estimated the Wuhan outbreak began in November but couldn’t rule out earlier isolated clusters.
A scientist adventurer and China’s ‘Bat Woman’ are under scrutiny as coronavirus lab-leak theory gets another look
Confirming how early patients were infected is difficult. Zins said the vast majority of those with antibodies in France had no confirmed links to China. One spent two months traveling through China but did not visit Wuhan.
Chinese officials have suggested that the virus was brought to Wuhan from abroad. This theory has found little support from scientists in other countries, partly because of the genetic similarity between SARS-CoV-2 and known bat coronaviruses from China’s south.
The Chinese Embassy in Washington said in a statement that origin study must follow the science and “can only be a joint scientific study.”
“Any action that politicizes origin-tracing poisons the atmosphere of scientific research, hampers global cooperation in this regard, and undermines global efforts to fight the virus,” it said.
In Wuhan, official searches for patients preceding Patient S01 have been unsuccessful, despite the Chinese government’s boasts in recent years of its high-tech surveillance capabilities. In the WHO report, it said local hospitals checked dozens of early suspected cases and all were negative.
At the origin
Wei Bing, a 32-year-old shop owner in Wuhan, says she doesn’t recall much out of the ordinary in autumn 2019. Wuhan hosted the Military World Games in October, an Olympics-like tournament for soldiers. The streets were extra clean, roadblocks erected around the Games sites.
“As a Wuhan resident, I was very proud,” she said.
Several scientific teams estimate the outbreak could have begun as early as October 2019. It would have been easy to miss the first cases: China was in the thick of its worst flu season in more than a decade. Official statistics show that by November 2019, there were five times the number of influenza cases across China compared to a year earlier. By December, it was ninefold.
Some U.S. lawmakers are calling for an investigation into potential coronavirus infections at the Military World Games. It was only one of a string of international events in Wuhan that autumn, each a potential path for a virus to seep overseas. With 11 million people, Wuhan has more residents than New York City.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited Wuhan in September 2019. In ensuing weeks, Wuhan hosted the Military World Games, Asia’s largest motor show, a global bridge-builders’ forum, an international material sciences gathering and a reunion of Peking University alumni. As late as Dec. 20, as clusters of seafood market workers fell ill, Alibaba founder Jack Ma and smartphone brand Xiaomi founder Lei Jun were in Wuhan for an economic conference.
Trump administration’s hunt for pandemic ‘lab leak’ went down many paths and came up with no smoking gun
There were early rumors. One Wuhan resident, Stella Zhou, recalled to The Washington Post that she heard talk of a mysterious pneumonia at a child-care center on Dec. 8, 2019, the same day Patient S01 fell ill, and nearly a month before the official announcement. Another resident, Zhu Wei, said some early cases probably went undiagnosed.
“Everyone around me has the feeling that the real number was far higher than the official count,” Zhu said. “At first, there were many who didn’t have a chance to get tested or couldn’t get medical treatment.”
The WHO report mentions earlier suspected patients but said they were not made available for interviews.
In their follow-up recommendations, the WHO experts called for a review of early blood samples from the Wuhan Blood Center and medical records from the Military World Games. The WHO did not reply to questions about whether these reviews took place. The Wuhan Blood Center, Wuhan CDC and Hubei province CDC did not respond to requests for comment.
For most of 2020, the earliest case was believed to be a Wuhan resident who fell ill on Dec. 1, 2019. This was revised in the WHO report: He was determined to have suffered other illness in early December, contracting the coronavirus later that month with his wife in a family cluster.
The revision turned the accountant surnamed Chen, with Dec. 8, 2019, symptom onset, into the official first case.
Chasing loose ends
By November 2019, the coronavirus had probably infected a small number of people in Wuhan, scientists say. The city bustled with activity, creating endless paths that a virus could travel.
On Nov. 2, a handful of Italian exchange students sat down at bright blue desks at a Wuhan university to try their hand at Chinese calligraphy. The next week, 2,000 people clad in “hanfu,” the flowing ancient Chinese robes, converged at the Yellow Crane Tower for a festival. Later in November, some 200,000 people, including visitors from 20 countries, toured an agricultural expo.
That month, a Chinese wildlife conservation scientist made a routine visit to the Huanan market he had tracked for two years and confirmed it was still selling wild animals in poor hygienic conditions, as his team later wrote in the Nature journal.
And on Nov. 19, 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology held an annual staff safety training session. Deputy director of security Hu Qian discussed safety problems found during audits over the past year, according to a post on the institute’s website.
The institute did not respond to questions on what kind of safety lapses were found in the audits. Its leadership has vehemently denied having encountered SARS-CoV-2 before the pandemic or the occurrence of any lab leaks.
The WHO report called the theory of a lab leak starting the pandemic “extremely unlikely.” A number of scientists have since said they believed it remained a possibility, including Jesse Bloom, a computational biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.
“The origins of SARS-CoV-2 remain unclear, with the two plausible theories being a natural zoonosis or a lab accident,” Bloom said.
Beijing pushes back at criticism of WHO coronavirus origin report, insists China shared data
The origin search has been hobbled by scarce early information, some of it unreliable or missing.
The online archives of two local state-run newspapers, the Hubei Daily and Chutian Metro Daily, can no longer be accessed before Nov. 5, 2019, according to checks by The Post. The newspapers’ publisher did not respond to a request for comment.
Bloom made waves last month when he announced that he recovered 13 early coronavirus genetic sequences that had been deleted from a database by researchers in Wuhan for unknown reasons.
“As scientists, we need to find ways to obtain more data about the earliest cases,” he said.
Pond, the Temple University professor, says Bloom’s paper underscored just how little data exists on the early days of the pandemic. Those recovered sequences fill some gaps in their reconstruction of how the virus evolved, strengthening the theory that the Huanan market wasn’t the sole source of the outbreak, he said.
“Even as few as 13 new sequences, which if you think about it, is a tiny amount, can fairly substantially modify the understanding of the pandemic origin,” Pond said.
Thanks Witty. I thought this was an interesting bit:
>>Other research suggests small-scale earlier transmission was possible. In a paper published in Science magazine in April, scientists simulated a SARS-CoV-2 outbreak 1,000 times, and found it fizzled out more than two-thirds of the time. Joel Wertheim, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California at San Diego involved in the study, said their team estimated the Wuhan outbreak began in November but couldn’t rule out earlier isolated clusters.<<
This is the paper being referred to, it’s open acccess.
Clinical and Virological Features of SARS-CoV-2 Variants of Concern: A Retrospective Cohort Study Comparing B.1.1.7 (Alpha), B.1.315 (Beta), and B.1.617.2 (Delta)
The impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern (VOCs) on disease severity is unclear. In this retrospective cohort study, we compared outcomes of patients infected with B.1.1.7, B.1.351, and B.1.617.2 with those with wild-type strains from early 2020.
There were 838 VOC infections in Singapore in the study period. After adjusting for age and gender, B.1.617.2 infection was associated with higher odds of oxygen requirement, ICU admission, or death (adjusted odds ratio (aOR) 4·90, . 157 patients with VOCs were admitted to our centre. After adjusting for age, gender, comorbidities, and vaccination, aOR for pneumonia with B.1.617.2 was 1·88 ) compared with wild-type.
Interpretation: There was a signal toward increased severity associated with B.1.617.2. The association of B.1.617.2 with lower Ct value and longer viral shedding provides a potential mechanism for increased transmissibility.
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increased danger not statistically significant
clearly wrong
must be evolving to be less lethal and more like a minor head cold
you do get the feeling they’re being disingenuous and barking at heartrotted trees
where is their acknowledgement of the correct answer which is
“In Australia, fully vaccinated people do not have “far more” freedoms than unvaccinated people, because everyone had a high level of freedom that even fully vaccinated people overseas struggled to attain, at least until NSW fucked everything up.”
you do get the feeling they’re being disingenuous and barking at heartrotted trees
where is their acknowledgement of the correct answer which is
“In Australia, fully vaccinated people do not have “far more” freedoms than unvaccinated people, because everyone had a high level of freedom that even fully vaccinated people overseas struggled to attain, at least until NSW fucked everything up.”
In regards to Afghanistan I wonder if the nations involved feel they achieved anything 6 months after they are all gone.
but they did, they won the election after starting the war, hang the consequences
That’s about it really isn’t it, what a messed up nation had the Russians and the USA invade, then bugger off when it got too hard and too bad if you live there.
In regards to Afghanistan I wonder if the nations involved feel they achieved anything 6 months after they are all gone.
but they did, they won the election after starting the war, hang the consequences
That’s about it really isn’t it, what a messed up nation had the Russians and the USA invade, then bugger off when it got too hard and too bad if you live there.
but they did, they won the election after starting the war, hang the consequences
That’s about it really isn’t it, what a messed up nation had the Russians and the USA invade, then bugger off when it got too hard and too bad if you live there.
That’s about it really isn’t it, what a messed up nation had the Russians and the USA invade, then bugger off when it got too hard and too bad if you live there.
It happened to the Brits before Russia & the USA.
I didn’t know that so even worse
A British incursion into Afghanistan ended in disaster in 1842 when an entire British army, while retreating back to India, was massacred. Only a single survivor made it back to British-held territory. It was assumed the Afghans let him live to tell the story of what had happened.
but they did, they won the election after starting the war, hang the consequences
That’s about it really isn’t it, what a messed up nation had the Russians and the USA invade, then bugger off when it got too hard and too bad if you live there.
It happened to the Brits before Russia & the USA.
….. and the Ottomans and the Mongols before that. I’m sure the Ming Dynasty would be in there somewhere too.
That’s about it really isn’t it, what a messed up nation had the Russians and the USA invade, then bugger off when it got too hard and too bad if you live there.
It happened to the Brits before Russia & the USA.
….. and the Ottomans and the Mongols before that. I’m sure the Ming Dynasty would be in there somewhere too.
you do get the feeling they’re being disingenuous and barking at heartrotted trees
where is their acknowledgement of the correct answer which is
“In Australia, fully vaccinated people do not have “far more” freedoms than unvaccinated people, because everyone had a high level of freedom that even fully vaccinated people overseas struggled to attain, at least until NSW fucked everything up.”
seems to be the way, an entire page of spin, the impression I got from a quick read, all for the greater good of course, those masters of spin
doesn’t bother me much of covid and vaccination, it’s more the question of where it goes afterward, to what it turns next, the momentum, the investment
NSW Police ramping up presence in south-west Sydney to enforce public health orders
“We are still having members of the community who will not comply. We will enforce as necessary.
“Come 7:00am we will commence a dedicated operation with at least 100 more officers entering the south-west of Sydney.”
Mr McGowan said this was a statement of “the bleeding obvious”.
“You can’t just allow the virus to run and then expect every other state to have their border down and import it to other states. That would not be fair,” he said.
“If a state goes rogue and behaves in an irresponsible fashion you have got to expect other states to use the measures they have to protect the state.
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He knew how to deal with Zak, and he knows how to deal with Brad, we mean, those jokers had the same approach to a little challenge after all, admit defeat before even trying, typical corruption party clowns, but we do apologise to Zak because feels a little unfair.
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How you deal with the situation is now up to you. Remember:
Different measures have different effects on how the disease spreads
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how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
so it goes, good intentions and all that, well i’m not sure it is all good intentions, some of them have me conjuring what a terrorist might be, just under the threshold of what ordinarily might qualify
how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
so it goes, good intentions and all that, well i’m not sure it is all good intentions, some of them have me conjuring what a terrorist might be, just under the threshold of what ordinarily might qualify
how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
so it goes, good intentions and all that, well i’m not sure it is all good intentions, some of them have me conjuring what a terrorist might be, just under the threshold of what ordinarily might qualify
how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
so it goes, good intentions and all that, well i’m not sure it is all good intentions, some of them have me conjuring what a terrorist might be, just under the threshold of what ordinarily might qualify
The Shocking Enormity of Russia’s Botched Pandemic Response
A massive third wave is spreading unchecked, anti-vaxxers are rampant, and the Kremlin’s vaccine diplomacy has failed.
how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
good grief what a load of absolute ignorant bollocks. (thanks Terry)
It seems that I have pulled up well from this first Pfizer jab. Apart from falling asleep very early and easily last night, the only other side effect has been a sore arm.
The Shocking Enormity of Russia’s Botched Pandemic Response
A massive third wave is spreading unchecked, anti-vaxxers are rampant, and the Kremlin’s vaccine diplomacy has failed.
It seems that I have pulled up well from this first Pfizer jab. Apart from falling asleep very early and easily last night, the only other side effect has been a sore arm.
how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
good grief what a load of absolute ignorant bollocks. (thanks Terry)
It seems that I have pulled up well from this first Pfizer jab. Apart from falling asleep very early and easily last night, the only other side effect has been a sore arm.
I had nothing from my AZ, bit of a let down really.
The Shocking Enormity of Russia’s Botched Pandemic Response
A massive third wave is spreading unchecked, anti-vaxxers are rampant, and the Kremlin’s vaccine diplomacy has failed.
how’s that shifting view from the emergency being a contagious pathogen to it being a lack of immunization, the enthusiasts for that shift of view, shifting the view, so enthusiastic they could not imagine their wisdom being premature, or worse
so it goes, good intentions and all that, well i’m not sure it is all good intentions, some of them have me conjuring what a terrorist might be, just under the threshold of what ordinarily might qualify
So would you call yourself an anti-vaxxer?
don’t be daft
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
You are far better at interpreting Onty’s musing than I.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
I don’t believe that is an accurate framing of what was said. At first we didn’t know much about it so saying it was contagious led up to be more careful, though a lot of learning was going on and some was ignored. We didn’t have a vaccine at that point to that was really the only position we could have. now we do have more control over outbreaks we can now go onto saying it is the shortage of vaccines that are the problem.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
You are far better at interpreting Onty’s musing than I.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
You are far better at interpreting Onty’s musing than I.
The UK vaccinated over 30 thousand yesterday and it didn’t cost them a cent.
With massive crowds at Wembley and racecourses and darts and Morris Dancing and tennis tournaments all over the country and mask free bogsnorkling contests they don’t give a shit anymore they have 400 million vaccines of all descriptions to keep people from dying much.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
I don’t believe that is an accurate framing of what was said. At first we didn’t know much about it so saying it was contagious led up to be more careful, though a lot of learning was going on and some was ignored. We didn’t have a vaccine at that point to that was really the only position we could have. now we do have more control over outbreaks we can now go onto saying it is the shortage of vaccines that are the problem.
We don’t have to agree but we put it to you that with all the available pandemic measures, to push forward and continually use low vaccination rates as a justification for failure, remains convenient and misleading.
By that we in no way seek to imply that NSW have caved and given up the fight to control pandemic with non pharmaceutical interventions yet.
The UK vaccinated over 30 thousand yesterday and it didn’t cost them a cent.
With massive crowds at Wembley and racecourses and darts and Morris Dancing and tennis tournaments all over the country and mask free bogsnorkling contests they don’t give a shit anymore they have 400 million vaccines of all descriptions to keep people from dying much.
sorry but Rule 2a clearly states that all bogsnorkler competitors must wear a mask whilst in the trench.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
I don’t believe that is an accurate framing of what was said. At first we didn’t know much about it so saying it was contagious led up to be more careful, though a lot of learning was going on and some was ignored. We didn’t have a vaccine at that point to that was really the only position we could have. now we do have more control over outbreaks we can now go onto saying it is the shortage of vaccines that are the problem.
We don’t have to agree but we put it to you that with all the available pandemic measures, to push forward and continually use low vaccination rates as a justification for failure, remains convenient and misleading.
By that we in no way seek to imply that NSW have caved and given up the fight to control pandemic with non pharmaceutical interventions yet.
I don’t see low vaccination rates as being used as justification though. I see it as just one part, and quite a big part, of “getting back to a semblance of normalcy”. we won’t get anywhere without it.
That’s quite a big lump. How long ago did you have your vaccine?
12 days. It was quite big on day 2/3.
So it is the biggest lump I have had from a vaccination and also the most enduring.
:(
The only vaccination I remember receiving is a tetanus shot, so I don’t have much to compare this one with, but this is the only time I remember having such a sore arm. It is, however, better than it was this morning, so keeping my fingers crossed that it sorts itself out by the morning.
Indeed we agree with transition’s point that the important matter remains control of the infectious disease, and vaccination is merely subsidiary to that, and for too loudly and too long already have jokers out there been claiming that vaccination is the one and only necessary and sufficient component of pandemic control.
Framing “vaccination is neither necessary nor sufficient” as being opposed to vaccination is, plainly, wrong.
You are far better at interpreting Onty’s musing than I.
It’s called “assume good faith”.
No seriously I usually have no idea what he’s going on about.
That’s quite a big lump. How long ago did you have your vaccine?
12 days. It was quite big on day 2/3.
So it is the biggest lump I have had from a vaccination and also the most enduring.
:(
The only vaccination I remember receiving is a tetanus shot, so I don’t have much to compare this one with, but this is the only time I remember having such a sore arm. It is, however, better than it was this morning, so keeping my fingers crossed that it sorts itself out by the morning.
I’ve had quite a few flu shots over the years. There were some years that I had one just so I wouldn’t be the one that gave my Mum a flu she couldn’t live through. Some years there would be a big reaction. Some years nothing. I figure that if there was a big reaction then you really didnt want to get that flu.
That’s quite a big lump. How long ago did you have your vaccine?
12 days. It was quite big on day 2/3.
So it is the biggest lump I have had from a vaccination and also the most enduring.
:(
The only vaccination I remember receiving is a tetanus shot, so I don’t have much to compare this one with, but this is the only time I remember having such a sore arm. It is, however, better than it was this morning, so keeping my fingers crossed that it sorts itself out by the morning.
I too had a lump from a tetanus shot.
I hope your sore arm and sarahs mum’s lump subside soon.
I don’t believe that is an accurate framing of what was said. At first we didn’t know much about it so saying it was contagious led up to be more careful, though a lot of learning was going on and some was ignored. We didn’t have a vaccine at that point to that was really the only position we could have. now we do have more control over outbreaks we can now go onto saying it is the shortage of vaccines that are the problem.
We don’t have to agree but we put it to you that with all the available pandemic measures, to push forward and continually use low vaccination rates as a justification for failure, remains convenient and misleading.
By that we in no way seek to imply that NSW have caved and given up the fight to control pandemic with non pharmaceutical interventions yet.
I don’t see low vaccination rates as being used as justification though. I see it as just one part, and quite a big part, of “getting back to a semblance of normalcy”. we won’t get anywhere without it.
maybe we’re just still pissed from how for practically all of 2020 the line was “just Let It Rip we can wait for the vaccine and then it’ll all be over” and anyone with half a neural ion channel knew that it wasn’t going to be like that, but regardless every fucking clown in charge of almost every country you can think of just went along with it and lost 9 months of control
that said we agree it’s going to be a big part, and we’re happy to be shot, but a similar problem to above is still playing out variously around the world (example, USSACDC directing USSAoles to no longer wear masks after being vaccinated) and it’s kind of shit
Many years ago when I was working at the quarantine station I got a shot of Rabies vaccine when one of the dogs died of what could have been rabies, near killed me, none the less I turned up next day and I was the only one there, all the other snowflakes called in sick. I had to look after all the animals myself.
maybe we’re just still pissed from how for practically all of 2020 the line was “just Let It Rip we can wait for the vaccine and then it’ll all be over”
I think that was only coming from a few quarters, ones that maybe didn’t have a good grip on the realities. as far as it being all over when we have a vaccine, i always heard that it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
maybe we’re just still pissed from how for practically all of 2020 the line was “just Let It Rip we can wait for the vaccine and then it’ll all be over”
I think that was only coming from a few quarters, ones that maybe didn’t have a good grip on the realities. as far as it being all over when we have a vaccine, i always heard that it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
mainly only likely to happen because they want to rely on vaccines and ditch the effective non pharmaceutical interventions
unfortunately unlike the ‘flu’ vaccines, latest evidence is suggesting that COVID-19 vaccines do prevent disease, but if they fail to, they do not lead to milder cases
also thanks to the non pharmaceutical interventions, it won’t be anything like the ‘flu’ because for the next couple of years we could probably get away with not having ‘flu’ vaccinations anyway (not our recommendation)
As I was walking down the street one day
A man came up to me and asked me what the time was that was on my watch, yeah
And I said
Does anybody really know what time it is (I don’t)
Does anybody really care (care about time)
If so I can’t imagine why (no, no)
We’ve all got time enough to cry
And I was walking down the street one day
A pretty lady looked at me and said her diamond watch had stopped cold dead
And I said
Does anybody really know what time it is (I don’t)
Does anybody really care (care about time)
If so I can’t imagine why (no, no)
We’ve all got time enough to cry
And I was walking down the street one day (people runnin’ everywhere)
Being pushed and shoved by people (don’t know where to go)
Trying to beat the clock, oh, no I just don’t know (don’t know where I am)
I don’t know, I don’t know, oh (don’t have time to think past the last mile)
(Have no time to look around) And I said, yes I said (run around and think why)
Does anybody really know what time it is (I don’t)
Does anybody really care (care about time)
If so I can’t imagine why (no, no)
We’ve all got time enough to die
Everybody’s working (I don’t care)
I don’t care (about time)
About time (no, no)
I don’t care
Many years ago when I was working at the quarantine station I got a shot of Rabies vaccine when one of the dogs died of what could have been rabies, near killed me, none the less I turned up next day and I was the only one there, all the other snowflakes called in sick. I had to look after all the animals myself.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
maybe we’re just still pissed from how for practically all of 2020 the line was “just Let It Rip we can wait for the vaccine and then it’ll all be over”
I think that was only coming from a few quarters, ones that maybe didn’t have a good grip on the realities. as far as it being all over when we have a vaccine, i always heard that it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
mainly only likely to happen because they want to rely on vaccines and ditch the effective non pharmaceutical interventions
unfortunately unlike the ‘flu’ vaccines, latest evidence is suggesting that COVID-19 vaccines do prevent disease, but if they fail to, they do not lead to milder cases
also thanks to the non pharmaceutical interventions, it won’t be anything like the ‘flu’ because for the next couple of years we could probably get away with not having ‘flu’ vaccinations anyway (not our recommendation)
with the flu season they say washing hands, coughing in elbow are good preventatives to spreading it. maybe masks will now be added to that advice.
no one is saying they are exactly like flu vaccines. and like any vaccine they are not always effective in everybody.
I hope to be around a bit longer than the next couple of years.
Many years ago when I was working at the quarantine station I got a shot of Rabies vaccine when one of the dogs died of what could have been rabies, near killed me, none the less I turned up next day and I was the only one there, all the other snowflakes called in sick. I had to look after all the animals myself.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
Many years ago when I was working at the quarantine station I got a shot of Rabies vaccine when one of the dogs died of what could have been rabies, near killed me, none the less I turned up next day and I was the only one there, all the other snowflakes called in sick. I had to look after all the animals myself.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
Many years ago when I was working at the quarantine station I got a shot of Rabies vaccine when one of the dogs died of what could have been rabies, near killed me, none the less I turned up next day and I was the only one there, all the other snowflakes called in sick. I had to look after all the animals myself.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
This was about 1977, it was one injection of a French vaccine.
maybe we’re just still pissed from how for practically all of 2020 the line was “just Let It Rip we can wait for the vaccine and then it’ll all be over”
I think that was only coming from a few quarters, ones that maybe didn’t have a good grip on the realities. as far as it being all over when we have a vaccine, i always heard that it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
it will be with us and we’ll probably need booster each year like we do with the flu.
mainly only likely to happen because they want to rely on vaccines and ditch the effective non pharmaceutical interventions
unfortunately unlike the ‘flu’ vaccines, latest evidence is suggesting that COVID-19 vaccines do prevent disease, but if they fail to, they do not lead to milder cases
also thanks to the non pharmaceutical interventions, it won’t be anything like the ‘flu’ because for the next couple of years we could probably get away with not having ‘flu’ vaccinations anyway (not our recommendation)
Depends on the vaccine.
Evidence shows mRNA COVID-19 vaccines offer similar protection in real-world conditions as they have in clinical trial settings―reducing the risk of COVID-19, including severe illness by 90% or more, among people who are fully vaccinated.
Many years ago when I was working at the quarantine station I got a shot of Rabies vaccine when one of the dogs died of what could have been rabies, near killed me, none the less I turned up next day and I was the only one there, all the other snowflakes called in sick. I had to look after all the animals myself.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
This was about 1977, it was one injection of a French vaccine.
The French one still exists and it’s multiple shots, well, if you want lasting immunity. Amusingly, the vaccination course can also be used to treat rabies infection.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
This was about 1977, it was one injection of a French vaccine.
The French one still exists and it’s multiple shots, well, if you want lasting immunity. Amusingly, the vaccination course can also be used to treat rabies infection.
You need to get 3 to 4 shots for rabies vaccination , so, what did you actually get?
This was about 1977, it was one injection of a French vaccine.
The French one still exists and it’s multiple shots, well, if you want lasting immunity. Amusingly, the vaccination course can also be used to treat rabies infection.
Well we only got the one shot, I had to move to another bed during the night as the one I was in was awash with sweat, I wasn’t too bad in the morning so I went to work, the other work mates were buggered.
This was about 1977, it was one injection of a French vaccine.
The French one still exists and it’s multiple shots, well, if you want lasting immunity. Amusingly, the vaccination course can also be used to treat rabies infection.
Well we only got the one shot, I had to move to another bed during the night as the one I was in was awash with sweat, I wasn’t too bad in the morning so I went to work, the other work mates were buggered.
You may have had the dried animal brain version (dried neural tissue to denature the virus).
The French one still exists and it’s multiple shots, well, if you want lasting immunity. Amusingly, the vaccination course can also be used to treat rabies infection.
Well we only got the one shot, I had to move to another bed during the night as the one I was in was awash with sweat, I wasn’t too bad in the morning so I went to work, the other work mates were buggered.
You may have had the dried animal brain version (dried neural tissue to denature the virus).
Well we only got the one shot, I had to move to another bed during the night as the one I was in was awash with sweat, I wasn’t too bad in the morning so I went to work, the other work mates were buggered.
You may have had the dried animal brain version (dried neural tissue to denature the virus).
Charming.
Mind you, far preferable to the actual rabies. About 56,000 people die of rabies every year.
>Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure. These symptoms are followed by one or more of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, violent movements, uncontrolled excitement, fear of water, an inability to move parts of the body, confusion, and loss of consciousness. Once symptoms appear, the result is nearly always death.
Well we only got the one shot, I had to move to another bed during the night as the one I was in was awash with sweat, I wasn’t too bad in the morning so I went to work, the other work mates were buggered.
You may have had the dried animal brain version (dried neural tissue to denature the virus).
Charming.
That’s how they got the other spongiform encephalopathy ¡
typical CHINA cowards, of course they’d shut down innovative Australian online learning, what are they afraid the lame Australians might catch up from 3 years behind
You may have had the dried animal brain version (dried neural tissue to denature the virus).
Charming.
Mind you, far preferable to the actual rabies. About 56,000 people die of rabies every year.
>Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure. These symptoms are followed by one or more of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, violent movements, uncontrolled excitement, fear of water, an inability to move parts of the body, confusion, and loss of consciousness. Once symptoms appear, the result is nearly always death.
You may have had the dried animal brain version (dried neural tissue to denature the virus).
Charming.
Mind you, far preferable to the actual rabies. About 56,000 people die of rabies every year.
>Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure. These symptoms are followed by one or more of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, violent movements, uncontrolled excitement, fear of water, an inability to move parts of the body, confusion, and loss of consciousness. Once symptoms appear, the result is nearly always death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
Yeah. I thought it was not curable too.
I did a school project on it. We had to pick a disease and research it. Write a few pages on it, and give a talk to the class. Most of the class did measles and chicken pox etc, I was the only one that did rabies, and they all burst out laughing when I started my talk.
typical CHINA cowards, of course they’d shut down innovative Australian online learning, what are they afraid the lame Australians might catch up from 3 years behind
sorry they hacked our hyperlink as well we’ve fixed it now
typical CHINA cowards, of course they’d shut down innovative Australian online learning, what are they afraid the lame Australians might catch up from 3 years behind
Probably some sadist hacker laughing with his /her peers at inconveniencing other people.
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Mind you, far preferable to the actual rabies. About 56,000 people die of rabies every year.
>Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure. These symptoms are followed by one or more of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, violent movements, uncontrolled excitement, fear of water, an inability to move parts of the body, confusion, and loss of consciousness. Once symptoms appear, the result is nearly always death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
Yeah. I thought it was not curable too.
I did a school project on it. We had to pick a disease and research it. Write a few pages on it, and give a talk to the class. Most of the class did measles and chicken pox etc, I was the only one that did rabies, and they all burst out laughing when I started my talk.
There has been a single case that I know of where a teenage girl survived. She was been bitten by a bat.
Mind you, far preferable to the actual rabies. About 56,000 people die of rabies every year.
>Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure. These symptoms are followed by one or more of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, violent movements, uncontrolled excitement, fear of water, an inability to move parts of the body, confusion, and loss of consciousness. Once symptoms appear, the result is nearly always death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
Yeah. I thought it was not curable too.
I did a school project on it. We had to pick a disease and research it. Write a few pages on it, and give a talk to the class. Most of the class did measles and chicken pox etc, I was the only one that did rabies, and they all burst out laughing when I started my talk.
There has been a single case that I know of where a teenage girl survived. She was been bitten by a bat.
we thought rabies wasn’t in Australia but then apparently there’s some other lyssavirus shit and the outcome is called “rabies” even if it’s not rabiesvirus (get a load of that) so as you were
Mind you, far preferable to the actual rabies. About 56,000 people die of rabies every year.
>Early symptoms can include fever and tingling at the site of exposure. These symptoms are followed by one or more of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, violent movements, uncontrolled excitement, fear of water, an inability to move parts of the body, confusion, and loss of consciousness. Once symptoms appear, the result is nearly always death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
Yeah. I thought it was not curable too.
I did a school project on it. We had to pick a disease and research it. Write a few pages on it, and give a talk to the class. Most of the class did measles and chicken pox etc, I was the only one that did rabies, and they all burst out laughing when I started my talk.
There has been a single case that I know of where a teenage girl survived. She was been bitten by a bat.
Here are some details of her case. I forgot to include the words “without vaccine”.
maybe a dickhead wrote that, that’s the word the came to my mind, impression I got
yeah we don’t agree with their bullshit but thought it’s worth knowing what some out there believe
meanwhile they’re (UK) getting a bit of this flattening now so
and as mentioned before deaths lag a month or so but only a small bump so far
newer evidence is suggesting that all of those “protective” vaccines are symmetrically protective, as in yes they prevent infection but if infected then there is no relatively greater protection against severe and fatal disease
so choose between
that bump is going to get a lot bigger
it really is affecting younger age groups more
they’re lying
they kept telling us to now look at deaths, just look at deaths, so no problem, no problem at all
Lakemba MP Jihad Dib said the situation was fragile and strong-arming was not the answer as it could lead to angst and stigmatism.
“While it’s important to have compliance … what we need to do is make sure we don’t create it in a way that instils panic or fear,” he said.
“If this is about putting a whole heap of police there because we don’t trust the community, then I worry about that.”
Mr Dib said the focus should be on communication not fines as the first task at hand is to make sure everyone understands clearly what they can and can’t do.
“People will be compliant when you give them reasons why they need to be and make it clear.
“Remember, if we’re all in this together, we’re all in it together not one group separate to the other.”
> Well I don’t care about which party you belong to or which cultural group you belong to. As local MP it is more your job to protect your constituents by educating them as to why they get fined in this country for flouting pandemic instructions. If you cannot acheive that then shut up and allow the police to do their part in protecting the community from selfish individuals.
This was about 1977, it was one injection of a French vaccine.
The French one still exists and it’s multiple shots, well, if you want lasting immunity. Amusingly, the vaccination course can also be used to treat rabies infection.
Well we only got the one shot, I had to move to another bed during the night as the one I was in was awash with sweat, I wasn’t too bad in the morning so I went to work, the other work mates were buggered.
They probably discontinued the treatment because they realised it was not rabies?
The National Intelligence Service (NIS) told lawmakers in a closed-door briefing that it has not detected any information that North Korea has acquired vaccines, according to Ha Tae-keung, one of the legislators who attended the session.
He quoted the NIS as saying there were no signs that Mr Kim has been inoculated.
COVAX, the UN-backed program to ship COVID-19 vaccines worldwide, said in February that North Korea could receive 1.9 million doses in the first half of the year.
But the shipment has not been made, and there have been no reports that North Korea has tried to secure vaccines elsewhere for its 26 million people.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/kim-jong-un-has-not-received-vaccine-south-korea-says/100279646
Last month, 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.
In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday.
Lakemba MP Jihad Dib said the situation was fragile and strong-arming was not the answer as it could lead to angst and stigmatism.
“While it’s important to have compliance … what we need to do is make sure we don’t create it in a way that instils panic or fear,” he said.
“If this is about putting a whole heap of police there because we don’t trust the community, then I worry about that.”
Mr Dib said the focus should be on communication not fines as the first task at hand is to make sure everyone understands clearly what they can and can’t do.
“People will be compliant when you give them reasons why they need to be and make it clear.
“Remember, if we’re all in this together, we’re all in it together not one group separate to the other.”
> Well I don’t care about which party you belong to or which cultural group you belong to. As local MP it is more your job to protect your constituents by educating them as to why they get fined in this country for flouting pandemic instructions. If you cannot acheive that then shut up and allow the police to do their part in protecting the community from selfish individuals.
Lakemba MP Jihad Dib said the situation was fragile and strong-arming was not the answer as it could lead to angst and stigmatism.
“While it’s important to have compliance … what we need to do is make sure we don’t create it in a way that instils panic or fear,” he said.
“If this is about putting a whole heap of police there because we don’t trust the community, then I worry about that.”
Mr Dib said the focus should be on communication not fines as the first task at hand is to make sure everyone understands clearly what they can and can’t do.
“People will be compliant when you give them reasons why they need to be and make it clear.
“Remember, if we’re all in this together, we’re all in it together not one group separate to the other.”
> Well I don’t care about which party you belong to or which cultural group you belong to. As local MP it is more your job to protect your constituents by educating them as to why they get fined in this country for flouting pandemic instructions. If you cannot acheive that then shut up and allow the police to do their part in protecting the community from selfish individuals.
seems reasonable
Mr Dib does not seem to understand how Australian law works.
Lakemba MP Jihad Dib said the situation was fragile and strong-arming was not the answer as it could lead to angst and stigmatism.
“While it’s important to have compliance … what we need to do is make sure we don’t create it in a way that instils panic or fear,” he said.
“If this is about putting a whole heap of police there because we don’t trust the community, then I worry about that.”
Mr Dib said the focus should be on communication not fines as the first task at hand is to make sure everyone understands clearly what they can and can’t do.
“People will be compliant when you give them reasons why they need to be and make it clear.
“Remember, if we’re all in this together, we’re all in it together not one group separate to the other.”
> Well I don’t care about which party you belong to or which cultural group you belong to. As local MP it is more your job to protect your constituents by educating them as to why they get fined in this country for flouting pandemic instructions. If you cannot acheive that then shut up and allow the police to do their part in protecting the community from selfish individuals.
seems reasonable
Mr Dib does not seem to understand how Australian law works.
He’s not the only one:
Here’s what you need to know this morning.
Police COVID operation begins
Police have launched their highly-visible COVID-19 compliance operation in Sydney’s south-west this morning, but some are concerned the approach is too heavy-handed.
One hundred extra officers, including mounted police, are being deployed to the area to ensure people are complying with the public health orders.
NSW Assistant Police Commissioner Tony Cooke said the operation was necessary to control the outbreak and was no different to what they had done in other suburbs.
But Neha Madhok, from racial justice organisation Democracy in Colour, said the approach could vilify and scare migrant communities and has called for the operation to be abandoned.
“Sending mounted police officers to the suburbs of Western Sydney is nothing but thinly-veiled racism from the NSW Government,” she said.
“Inner city suburbs and the Northern Beaches have had significant cases but they have not been harshly policed like this.”
Mr Dib does not seem to understand how Australian law works.
He’s not the only one:
Here’s what you need to know this morning.
Police COVID operation begins
Police have launched their highly-visible COVID-19 compliance operation in Sydney’s south-west this morning, but some are concerned the approach is too heavy-handed.
One hundred extra officers, including mounted police, are being deployed to the area to ensure people are complying with the public health orders.
NSW Assistant Police Commissioner Tony Cooke said the operation was necessary to control the outbreak and was no different to what they had done in other suburbs.
But Neha Madhok, from racial justice organisation Democracy in Colour, said the approach could vilify and scare migrant communities and has called for the operation to be abandoned.
“Sending mounted police officers to the suburbs of Western Sydney is nothing but thinly-veiled racism from the NSW Government,” she said.
“Inner city suburbs and the Northern Beaches have had significant cases but they have not been harshly policed like this.”
Mr Dib does not seem to understand how Australian law works.
He’s not the only one:
Here’s what you need to know this morning.
Police COVID operation begins
Police have launched their highly-visible COVID-19 compliance operation in Sydney’s south-west this morning, but some are concerned the approach is too heavy-handed.
One hundred extra officers, including mounted police, are being deployed to the area to ensure people are complying with the public health orders.
NSW Assistant Police Commissioner Tony Cooke said the operation was necessary to control the outbreak and was no different to what they had done in other suburbs.
But Neha Madhok, from racial justice organisation Democracy in Colour, said the approach could vilify and scare migrant communities and has called for the operation to be abandoned.
“Sending mounted police officers to the suburbs of Western Sydney is nothing but thinly-veiled racism from the NSW Government,” she said.
“Inner city suburbs and the Northern Beaches have had significant cases but they have not been harshly policed like this.”
Not privvy to all the information but I might think that perhaps community infection is the issue rather than numbers infected.
I don’t disagree that the government has been behind the 8ball everywhere.
Mr Dib does not seem to understand how Australian law works.
He’s not the only one:
Here’s what you need to know this morning.
Police COVID operation begins
Police have launched their highly-visible COVID-19 compliance operation in Sydney’s south-west this morning, but some are concerned the approach is too heavy-handed.
One hundred extra officers, including mounted police, are being deployed to the area to ensure people are complying with the public health orders.
NSW Assistant Police Commissioner Tony Cooke said the operation was necessary to control the outbreak and was no different to what they had done in other suburbs.
But Neha Madhok, from racial justice organisation Democracy in Colour, said the approach could vilify and scare migrant communities and has called for the operation to be abandoned.
“Sending mounted police officers to the suburbs of Western Sydney is nothing but thinly-veiled racism from the NSW Government,” she said.
“Inner city suburbs and the Northern Beaches have had significant cases but they have not been harshly policed like this.”
Scratches at head.
I fail to see what the 160 students at Joeys has to do with a cluster.
NSW Police have denied a major operation to stop the spread of COVID-19 across south-west Sydney is targeting multicultural areas.
“Nobody’s been scapegoated, the virus doesn’t discriminate and nor do we,” he said.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison backs a Melbourne pub’s offer of a free pint to vaccinated patrons, after the Therapeutic Goods Administration told the publican to pull the campaign.
NSW Police have denied a major operation to stop the spread of COVID-19 across south-west Sydney is targeting multicultural areas.
“Nobody’s been scapegoated, the virus doesn’t discriminate and nor do we,” he said.
People are idiots.
The Lebanese and Indians in Western Sydney are exactly the cultural groups that are the vulnerable. Just let the police do their jobs.
NSW Police have denied a major operation to stop the spread of COVID-19 across south-west Sydney is targeting multicultural areas.
“Nobody’s been scapegoated, the virus doesn’t discriminate and nor do we,” he said.
People are idiots.
The Lebanese and Indians in Western Sydney are exactly the cultural groups that are the vulnerable. Just let the police do their jobs.
Some people are idiots. Clive Palmer is an example. It doesn’t take many.
Thing is, we can tolerate idiots until they think it is their right to spread their illness.
NSW Police have denied a major operation to stop the spread of COVID-19 across south-west Sydney is targeting multicultural areas.
“Nobody’s been scapegoated, the virus doesn’t discriminate and nor do we,” he said.
People are idiots.
The Lebanese and Indians in Western Sydney are exactly the cultural groups that are the vulnerable. Just let the police do their jobs.
Some people are idiots. Clive Palmer is an example. It doesn’t take many.
Thing is, we can tolerate idiots until they think it is their right to spread their illness.
His father owned a commercial radio station and a tyre manufacturing/distribution company.
Turning tens of millions of dollars into a billion doesn’t require much more than patience.
NSW Police have denied a major operation to stop the spread of COVID-19 across south-west Sydney is targeting multicultural areas.
“Nobody’s been scapegoated, the virus doesn’t discriminate and nor do we,” he said.
People are idiots.
The Lebanese and Indians in Western Sydney are exactly the cultural groups that are the vulnerable. Just let the police do their jobs.
Some people are idiots. Clive Palmer is an example. It doesn’t take many.
Thing is, we can tolerate idiots until they think it is their right to spread their illness.
I mean the people criticising the police for targeting the cultural activities that expose them to the disease and inconvenience others.
People are idiots.
The Lebanese and Indians in Western Sydney are exactly the cultural groups that are the vulnerable. Just let the police do their jobs.
Some people are idiots. Clive Palmer is an example. It doesn’t take many.
Thing is, we can tolerate idiots until they think it is their right to spread their illness.
I mean the people criticising the police for targeting the cultural activities that expose them to the disease and inconvenience others.
Yes I know but it is also the shyte put out by the likes of the fat controller that gives some people the idea that the rules are bogus and can be flouted.
Some people are idiots. Clive Palmer is an example. It doesn’t take many.
Thing is, we can tolerate idiots until they think it is their right to spread their illness.
I mean the people criticising the police for targeting the cultural activities that expose them to the disease and inconvenience others.
Yes I know but it is also the shyte put out by the likes of the fat controller that gives some people the idea that the rules are bogus and can be flouted.
And….Bolivia has overtaken Sweden in the deaths per million. Sweden now at number 36. They were at 35 for a while. I think it might take some time for Georgia to come up to Sweden, they don’t seem to be killing at the moment. Although they are upticking on daily case numbers now.
I mean the people criticising the police for targeting the cultural activities that expose them to the disease and inconvenience others.
Yes I know but it is also the shyte put out by the likes of the fat controller that gives some people the idea that the rules are bogus and can be flouted.
what are these cultural activities
Very large and regular religious and family gatherings.
Yes I know but it is also the shyte put out by the likes of the fat controller that gives some people the idea that the rules are bogus and can be flouted.
what are these cultural activities
Very large and regular religious and family gatherings.
are eastern suburb sunshine and money worship gatherings between non-family members allowed
Victoria in the middle of a ‘COVID baby boom’ says Health Minister
Martin Foley said Victoria is in the middle of an enormous “COVID baby boom” which has seen a 5.7 per cent increase in the number of babies born compared to the same period last year.
That equates to an extra 1,400 babies, including 348 at Western Health, which had the highest number.
The boom has been patchy but extends across the state from Horsham in the west, to Gippsland in the east.
“We have seen an enormous increase in babies being born in our system,” which has put huge pressure on midwifery staff especially on top of all the new COVID restrictions in hospitals, Mr Foley said.
He announced an additional $13.2 million to boost practical deliver of resources to support public maternity services across the state, including funding for the 175 positions.
Victoria in the middle of a ‘COVID baby boom’ says Health Minister
Martin Foley said Victoria is in the middle of an enormous “COVID baby boom” which has seen a 5.7 per cent increase in the number of babies born compared to the same period last year.
That equates to an extra 1,400 babies, including 348 at Western Health, which had the highest number.
The boom has been patchy but extends across the state from Horsham in the west, to Gippsland in the east.
“We have seen an enormous increase in babies being born in our system,” which has put huge pressure on midwifery staff especially on top of all the new COVID restrictions in hospitals, Mr Foley said.
He announced an additional $13.2 million to boost practical deliver of resources to support public maternity services across the state, including funding for the 175 positions.
sorry we forgot to add
Told You Lockdown Was Good For The (Population And Hence) Economy Must Grow
On this one I agree with Terry Slevin (cut from the bottom of that piece):
Linking alcohol to important public health issues ‘doesn’t make sense’
The Public Health Association of Australia’s chief executive, Terry Slevin, said the publican’s move to a food-based promotion was the right one and there was no need to create another stoush around vaccines.
But he disagreed with Mr Morrison’s suggestion that the TGA had overreacted or that the rules prohibiting the use of alcohol in health promotion should be relaxed.
“There’s a whole bunch of reasons why offering alcohol as an incentive to do anything in the health sphere doesn’t make sense,” he said.
“There’s a range of people who don’t drink for cultural reasons, for health reasons, or whatever else and linking … free alcohol to an important public health problem really doesn’t make sense.”
Victorian Health Minister Martin Foley is calling on the Commonwealth to clear up confusion about additional supplies of the Pfizer vaccine a month earlier than expected.
Australia’s supply of Pfizer which was expected in September, is now expected to arrive in August.
Mr Foley said there was a national meeting of health ministers last night and they weren’t told about the early arrival of the vaccine.
He said there seems to be a “degree of confusion” about the vaccine supply.
He said the extra vaccine from Pfizer was not foreshadowed at that meeting. The states sought clarification and were told more information would provided.
“I note the Prime Minister’s comments about extra Pfizer vaccine in the media this morning,” he said.
“But I also note that Pfizer themselves have put out a statement saying that there is no extra material coming forward from them.
“What we need is clear, consistent, information from the commonwealth to the states to the GPs to our primary providers.
“Because the status of being 34 out of 34 OECD nations is not a position that some sense of achievement,” he said.
Mr Foley admitted he didn’t know what to believe.
“All I can say is that the Prime Minister has said one thing and that Pfizer seems to have said another,” he said.
“What we need is the confusion cleared up. This afternoon’s national cabinet would seem to be the ideal opportunity to do so.”
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Really? I mean really? Still he doesn’t understand how to run a roll out.
Linking alcohol to important public health issues ‘doesn’t make sense’
“There’s a range of people who don’t drink for cultural reasons, for health reasons, or whatever else and linking … free alcohol to an important public health problem really doesn’t make sense.”
Linking alcohol to important public health issues ‘doesn’t make sense’
“There’s a range of people who don’t drink for cultural reasons, for health reasons, or whatever else and linking … free alcohol to an important public health problem really doesn’t make sense.”
——————————————————————————————————
But the response was very Scomo.
¿ people who don’t drink for cultural reasons ?
UN AUSTRALIAN
¡ Law And Order Send The Police !
oh wait they did
But isn’t this some pub offering it to their customers.
They wouldn’t have that many customers who don’t drink for cultural reasons, would they?
On this one I agree with Terry Slevin (cut from the bottom of that piece):
Linking alcohol to important public health issues ‘doesn’t make sense’
The Public Health Association of Australia’s chief executive, Terry Slevin, said the publican’s move to a food-based promotion was the right one and there was no need to create another stoush around vaccines.
But he disagreed with Mr Morrison’s suggestion that the TGA had overreacted or that the rules prohibiting the use of alcohol in health promotion should be relaxed.
“There’s a whole bunch of reasons why offering alcohol as an incentive to do anything in the health sphere doesn’t make sense,” he said.
“There’s a range of people who don’t drink for cultural reasons, for health reasons, or whatever else and linking … free alcohol to an important public health problem really doesn’t make sense.”
——————————————————————————————————
But the response was very Scomo.
chuckle jobs done anyway, that will circulate as a rumor, beer inoculates against coronavirus, possibly along with _they put the vaccine in booze’
On this one I agree with Terry Slevin (cut from the bottom of that piece):
Linking alcohol to important public health issues ‘doesn’t make sense’
The Public Health Association of Australia’s chief executive, Terry Slevin, said the publican’s move to a food-based promotion was the right one and there was no need to create another stoush around vaccines.
But he disagreed with Mr Morrison’s suggestion that the TGA had overreacted or that the rules prohibiting the use of alcohol in health promotion should be relaxed.
“There’s a whole bunch of reasons why offering alcohol as an incentive to do anything in the health sphere doesn’t make sense,” he said.
“There’s a range of people who don’t drink for cultural reasons, for health reasons, or whatever else and linking … free alcohol to an important public health problem really doesn’t make sense.”
——————————————————————————————————
But the response was very Scomo.
chuckle jobs done anyway, that will circulate as a rumor, beer inoculates against coronavirus, possibly along with _they put the vaccine in booze’
I probably just started a rumor
I wonder how many people would stop drinking if they thought vaccine was put along with ID chips, in their beer?
Linking alcohol to important public health issues ‘doesn’t make sense’
“There’s a range of people who don’t drink for cultural reasons, for health reasons, or whatever else and linking … free alcohol to an important public health problem really doesn’t make sense.”
——————————————————————————————————
But the response was very Scomo.
¿ people who don’t drink for cultural reasons ?
UN AUSTRALIAN
¡ Law And Order Send The Police !
oh wait they did
But isn’t this some pub offering it to their customers.
They wouldn’t have that many customers who don’t drink for cultural reasons, would they?
so you’re saying it was a mere corrupt political weigh in, no more, no less
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
You got a form to fill in? I hadn’t heard of anyone doing that before. I reported to The Authorities myself because I hadn’t seen the cold feet thing mentioned anywhere official. But I didn’t bother reporting the headache and lump and redness on arm (which were the only other things) because they were normal for vaccinations anyway.
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
They didn’t give me such a form.
My reactions were over by Day 3 too.
My reactions were over a few minutes after I said “ouch”.
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
You got a form to fill in? I hadn’t heard of anyone doing that before. I reported to The Authorities myself because I hadn’t seen the cold feet thing mentioned anywhere official. But I didn’t bother reporting the headache and lump and redness on arm (which were the only other things) because they were normal for vaccinations anyway.
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
They didn’t give me such a form.
My reactions were over by Day 3 too.
My reactions were over a few minutes after I said “ouch”.
I had a “flat” day the day after, but it was a wet and cold day outside, so I stayed in bed and read a book. I may have been making up the “flatness” as an excuse….and two days after was when I was told my receptionist friend had died, so I can’t differentiate effects after that from general distress. I do know I was back to full arm strength for archery after a week. (We only shoot once a week, so I may have had full strength back earlier than that)
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
You got a form to fill in? I hadn’t heard of anyone doing that before. I reported to The Authorities myself because I hadn’t seen the cold feet thing mentioned anywhere official. But I didn’t bother reporting the headache and lump and redness on arm (which were the only other things) because they were normal for vaccinations anyway.
My reactions were over a few minutes after I said “ouch”.
I had a “flat” day the day after, but it was a wet and cold day outside, so I stayed in bed and read a book. I may have been making up the “flatness” as an excuse….and two days after was when I was told my receptionist friend had died, so I can’t differentiate effects after that from general distress. I do know I was back to full arm strength for archery after a week. (We only shoot once a week, so I may have had full strength back earlier than that)
My day 2 was the worst. Even though I wore lots of layers and had a hot water bottle and a hearty fire going…I shivered and shook. Also a bit of nausea.
You got a form to fill in? I hadn’t heard of anyone doing that before. I reported to The Authorities myself because I hadn’t seen the cold feet thing mentioned anywhere official. But I didn’t bother reporting the headache and lump and redness on arm (which were the only other things) because they were normal for vaccinations anyway.
The Authorities are SafeVac Reporting.
https://www.safevac.org.au/
Thanks.
The one for Queensland is on that page. It seems to just be part of your health department rather than a specific thing, like it is for us and WA.
Just filled out the three day vax reaction form. I kind of got most of it, but in stages, not all at once. Dizziness, aches, nausea, headache, rashes not at the injection site. Pretty much 100% today.
You got a form to fill in? I hadn’t heard of anyone doing that before. I reported to The Authorities myself because I hadn’t seen the cold feet thing mentioned anywhere official. But I didn’t bother reporting the headache and lump and redness on arm (which were the only other things) because they were normal for vaccinations anyway.
Electronic form. Text reminder, click on link, fill it out.
She said she seemed to have a “mild” case, with bad headaches and body aches, a chesty cough, swollen glands and sore throat, along with loss of taste and smell. “I still think my symptoms are reasonably mild but it is definitely not pleasant and there is a massive shortness of breath,” she said. “I am a very fit person, deciding to go upstairs or come downstairs, I need to think about it because you are exhausted when you get to the other end.”
Ms Bryce-Smith said her daughter had been “very sick” with a high fever for several days which almost required hospitalisation. “She thought she was freezing but she was absolutely boiling,” she said. Eventually, a combination of painkillers got her fever under control.
Ms Bryce-Smith said she had not realised how quickly the Delta strain spread until it infected at least 15 people she knew, including two people who are now on ventilators in intensive care.
Good news, sounds like that B.1.617.2 “Delta” cousin is pretty gentle, doesn’t kill children, the vaccines stop it dead, these things get less virulent as they evolve, by tomorrow it’ll be gone like magic¡
I’ve been wondering about whether the implications of Long Covid for younger people might mean that choosing the AZ jab is still worth it despite blood clots. Almost a moot point though considering how many over 60s are yet to be vaccinated with anything with supplies of Pfizer quickly coming online.
Good news, sounds like that B.1.617.2 “Delta” cousin is pretty gentle, doesn’t kill children, the vaccines stop it dead, these things get less virulent as they evolve, by tomorrow it’ll be gone like magic¡
‘State’s second vaccination hub at Newcastle readies for July opening, 20,000 vaccinations a week ABC Newcastle
/ By Liz Farquhar
New South Wales is about to get its second COVID-19 mass vaccination hub when a new facility opens in Newcastle on July 19.’
Bugger me, we should have had this sort of thing opening up everywhere at least five months ago!
‘State’s second vaccination hub at Newcastle readies for July opening, 20,000 vaccinations a week ABC Newcastle
/ By Liz Farquhar
New South Wales is about to get its second COVID-19 mass vaccination hub when a new facility opens in Newcastle on July 19.’
Bugger me, we should have had this sort of thing opening up everywhere at least five months ago!
Not so sure. What is happening here is that in Victoria hundreds (if not thousands) of small vaccination hubs have already shut down.
Centralisation increases the distances that people with suspected Covid are forced to travel.
The opposite of a mass vaccination hub would be door to door vaccination, which has advantages, particularly for those at highest risk.
Some countries already have a door to door vaccination option.
‘State’s second vaccination hub at Newcastle readies for July opening, 20,000 vaccinations a week ABC Newcastle
/ By Liz Farquhar
New South Wales is about to get its second COVID-19 mass vaccination hub when a new facility opens in Newcastle on July 19.’
Bugger me, we should have had this sort of thing opening up everywhere at least five months ago!
We didn’t have the vaccines. We still haven’t got the vaccines.
‘State’s second vaccination hub at Newcastle readies for July opening, 20,000 vaccinations a week ABC Newcastle
/ By Liz Farquhar
New South Wales is about to get its second COVID-19 mass vaccination hub when a new facility opens in Newcastle on July 19.’
Bugger me, we should have had this sort of thing opening up everywhere at least five months ago!
We didn’t have the vaccines. We still haven’t got the vaccines.
‘State’s second vaccination hub at Newcastle readies for July opening, 20,000 vaccinations a week ABC Newcastle
/ By Liz Farquhar
New South Wales is about to get its second COVID-19 mass vaccination hub when a new facility opens in Newcastle on July 19.’
Bugger me, we should have had this sort of thing opening up everywhere at least five months ago!
We didn’t have the vaccines. We still haven’t got the vaccines.
‘State’s second vaccination hub at Newcastle readies for July opening, 20,000 vaccinations a week ABC Newcastle
/ By Liz Farquhar
New South Wales is about to get its second COVID-19 mass vaccination hub when a new facility opens in Newcastle on July 19.’
Bugger me, we should have had this sort of thing opening up everywhere at least five months ago!
We didn’t have the vaccines. We still haven’t got the vaccines.
And now I’ve found where it is. It is indeed an interesting tabulation. I’d been watching the “countries” table.
Has Dr Sebastion got covid and died?
No, he is putting up posts every ten days or so on varied subjects. I’ve pointed the forum to linked papers recently but neglected to tell you how I found them.
And now I’ve found where it is. It is indeed an interesting tabulation. I’d been watching the “countries” table.
Has Dr Sebastion got covid and died?
No, he is putting up posts every ten days or so on varied subjects. I’ve pointed the forum to linked papers recently but neglected to tell you how I found them.
You would probably like his most recent one on COVID and children and whether it is ethical to vaccinate children with vaccines that have not been tested on children. A few interesting ones lately. Lots of rubbish in the comments.
You would probably like his most recent one on COVID and children and whether it is ethical to vaccinate children with vaccines that have not been tested on children. A few interesting ones lately. Lots of rubbish in the comments.
i’m hearing suppression used to refer to the strategies of containment involving lockdowns etc, and it’s being used to contrast with a vaccinated population and I guess having some level of wild covid, perhaps wild wild completely unrestrained, that part’s unclear
but isn’t vaccine used for suppression, that’s its job isn’t it
over in Nam they didn’t want to be excoriated like Dan so they left it until 1000 (though of course their population is like 15 times bigger so you can all argue) and now
With Vietnam’s daily infection rates hitting record highs above 1,000 four times this month, the government has extended curbs after placing restrictions on the capital Hanoi on Tuesday. read more
i’m hearing suppression used to refer to the strategies of containment involving lockdowns etc, and it’s being used to contrast with a vaccinated population and I guess having some level of wild covid, perhaps wild wild completely unrestrained, that part’s unclear
but isn’t vaccine used for suppression, that’s its job isn’t it
We admit we’re not exactly clear on what your question is but if you’re specifically asking, do we use vaccine to suppress outbreaks of disease, then yes we would presume so.
We look at it like this, if a community uses any method at all to prevent infections from spreading, anything like
ventilation, masks, air filters, aerosol disinfectant
physical distancing, reduced occupancy
movement restriction, lockdown, travel ban
vaccination, pharmacoprophylaxis
any others we may have forgotten in the heat of this moment
then that’s suppression, because preventing infections from spreading is, in a word, suppression.
Each of those methods will reduce spread of infection. More of them together, will more-reduce spread.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate remains greater than 1, then you get exponential growth even if less than without, which is asymptotic to holy shit we’re fucked, id est, suppression without elimination.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate becomes less than 1, then you get exponential decay, which is asymptotic to zero, id est, suppression becoming elimination.
Others may come at us about prescriptive use of language and WHO or CDC or DPRNA or personal definitions but they can have their own prescriptions and we’ll move on.
It’s starting to look like booster shots every 3 to 4 months, so if any of you think that’s infeasible, then let’s go with reinfection every 6 to 8 months. Sounds good hey¿
Remember every time you cop a hit, there goes 4% of your grey matter so it should only take 9 years (17 rounds) of this pandemic for everyone to lose half their brains and then you won’t have to remember that every time you cop a hit, there goes 4% of your grey matter so it should only take 9 years (17 rounds) of this pandemic for everyone to lose half their brains and then
i’m hearing suppression used to refer to the strategies of containment involving lockdowns etc, and it’s being used to contrast with a vaccinated population and I guess having some level of wild covid, perhaps wild wild completely unrestrained, that part’s unclear
but isn’t vaccine used for suppression, that’s its job isn’t it
We admit we’re not exactly clear on what your question is but if you’re specifically asking, do we use vaccine to suppress outbreaks of disease, then yes we would presume so.
We look at it like this, if a community uses any method at all to prevent infections from spreading, anything like
ventilation, masks, air filters, aerosol disinfectant
physical distancing, reduced occupancy
movement restriction, lockdown, travel ban
vaccination, pharmacoprophylaxis
any others we may have forgotten in the heat of this moment
then that’s suppression, because preventing infections from spreading is, in a word, suppression.
Each of those methods will reduce spread of infection. More of them together, will more-reduce spread.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate remains greater than 1, then you get exponential growth even if less than without, which is asymptotic to holy shit we’re fucked, id est, suppression without elimination.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate becomes less than 1, then you get exponential decay, which is asymptotic to zero, id est, suppression becoming elimination.
Others may come at us about prescriptive use of language and WHO or CDC or DPRNA or personal definitions but they can have their own prescriptions and we’ll move on.
yeah I think the distinction perhaps, in the use I mentioned, is that once an individual and more broadly whatever example group are vaccinated then that is considered suppression through individual and group immunity, not an organized intervention for suppression by people
still I wonder what it means for people to buy into the language, that vaccination isn’t about suppression
well, I mean it may be inconvenient for some right now to highlight that vaccination is for the purposes of suppression
i’m hearing suppression used to refer to the strategies of containment involving lockdowns etc, and it’s being used to contrast with a vaccinated population and I guess having some level of wild covid, perhaps wild wild completely unrestrained, that part’s unclear
but isn’t vaccine used for suppression, that’s its job isn’t it
We admit we’re not exactly clear on what your question is but if you’re specifically asking, do we use vaccine to suppress outbreaks of disease, then yes we would presume so.
We look at it like this, if a community uses any method at all to prevent infections from spreading, anything like
ventilation, masks, air filters, aerosol disinfectant
physical distancing, reduced occupancy
movement restriction, lockdown, travel ban
vaccination, pharmacoprophylaxis
any others we may have forgotten in the heat of this moment
then that’s suppression, because preventing infections from spreading is, in a word, suppression.
Each of those methods will reduce spread of infection. More of them together, will more-reduce spread.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate remains greater than 1, then you get exponential growth even if less than without, which is asymptotic to holy shit we’re fucked, id est, suppression without elimination.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate becomes less than 1, then you get exponential decay, which is asymptotic to zero, id est, suppression becoming elimination.
Others may come at us about prescriptive use of language and WHO or CDC or DPRNA or personal definitions but they can have their own prescriptions and we’ll move on.
yeah I think the distinction perhaps, in the use I mentioned, is that once an individual and more broadly whatever example group are vaccinated then that is considered suppression through individual and group immunity, not an organized intervention for suppression by people
still I wonder what it means for people to buy into the language, that vaccination isn’t about suppression
well, I mean it may be inconvenient for some right now to highlight that vaccination is for the purposes of suppression
well yes it’s unfortunate that all the language and the scientific processes in the pandemic have become politicised
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If you’re talking about the two aspects of vaccine benefit,
individual protection
herd immunity
then yeah it does seem to be an indictment of the societies we live in that all the talk is so focused on individual prevention, indeed we dare say to the extent that some (many) would refuse to undertake vaccination for individual protection specifically because it offers those around them herd immunity.
We mean, What The Fuck¿¡
But anyway since in Australia it seems most people do want to at least be individually protected, back to the local matter.
Apparently scaring people into taking the product that turned out to be inferior, does work, so thanks NSW. We can tell you what else would have worked though, and that would be to offer everyone the product that turned out to be safer and more effective.
We mean, shit, people are taking it to be individually protected. The advice now is to consult your doctor. Pretty sure those professionals calling themselves doctors are meant to hold to some kind of ethical standard. Something about informed consent perhaps, “informed” meaning “not lies from politicians” we would hope. Want people to trust you enough to take your purchased vaccine, even if it’s inferior, after consulting with their doctor? Don’t lie to them.
Maybe i’ve missed it (been busy this week) but there seems to have been something of a lack of payback pointing and jeering by those Labor states against Sad Glad and the NSW govt.
Maybe i’ve missed it (been busy this week) but there seems to have been something of a lack of payback pointing and jeering by those Labor states against Sad Glad and the NSW govt.
Two signs pointed to NSW’s COVID disaster — they happened on June 26
The first became evident on Saturday, June 26 — the day Greater Sydney, the Central Coast, Blue Mountains, Wollongong and Shellharbour were plunged into lockdown — and relates to the Harbour City’s south-western suburbs. The second also started on June 26, but only became much more visible two days later. That’s all about clusters of cases in workplaces.
Until June 22, every case had come from south-eastern Sydney, mostly around Bondi, along with five cases in Wollongong and two from the north shore that did not progress to a larger spread. But on June 22, four cases were recorded in south-west Sydney, and within four days, there were 22 cases, mainly in the local government areas of Camden and Liverpool.
Also on June 26, two cases were reported at Great Ocean Foods in the inner west. Just two days later, 11 cases had been linked to the business — the cluster eventually grew to 29 cases.
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now as you all know we’re probably barking / inner-city-lunatic-raving mad but
we thought the whole point (and effectiveness) of the short sharp lockdowns was to arrest widespread seeding and spread, so the small outbreaks / berak could be mopped up with a minimum of further disruption
but apparently in NSW the lockdown is something to be wielded against Damocles*, threatening their fortunate position as one of the few Free Uninfected Countries Known in the world, used as a stick to beat AstraZeneca-Oxford into them, or something to hold off until politically (but not epidemiologically) expeditious
We thought it was supposed to be because the Corruption Coalition and other corrupt politicians (yes we know it’s redundant) made sure that they and all their staffers were the first to be vaccinated¿
Of those locally acquired cases, 37 are linked to a known case or cluster – 14 are household contacts and 23 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 13 cases remains under investigation.
Thirteen cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 11 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community.
We thought it was supposed to be because the Corruption Coalition and other corrupt politicians (yes we know it’s redundant) made sure that they and all their staffers were the first to be vaccinated¿
Of those locally acquired cases, 37 are linked to a known case or cluster – 14 are household contacts and 23 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 13 cases remains under investigation.
Thirteen cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 11 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community.
Two new overseas-acquired cases were recorded in the same period.
There are currently 47 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 16 people in intensive care, five of whom require ventilation. There were 42,023 tests reported to 8pm last night, compared with the previous day’s total of 42,152.”
Of those locally acquired cases, 37 are linked to a known case or cluster – 14 are household contacts and 23 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 13 cases remains under investigation.
Thirteen cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 11 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community.
Two new overseas-acquired cases were recorded in the same period.
There are currently 47 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 16 people in intensive care, five of whom require ventilation. There were 42,023 tests reported to 8pm last night, compared with the previous day’s total of 42,152.”
Of those locally acquired cases, 37 are linked to a known case or cluster – 14 are household contacts and 23 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 13 cases remains under investigation.
Thirteen cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 11 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community.
Two new overseas-acquired cases were recorded in the same period.
There are currently 47 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 16 people in intensive care, five of whom require ventilation. There were 42,023 tests reported to 8pm last night, compared with the previous day’s total of 42,152.”
We thought it was supposed to be because the Corruption Coalition and other corrupt politicians (yes we know it’s redundant) made sure that they and all their staffers were the first to be vaccinated¿
You know there are a few people living in Canberra who don’t actually work for the government?
We thought it was supposed to be because the Corruption Coalition and other corrupt politicians (yes we know it’s redundant) made sure that they and all their staffers were the first to be vaccinated¿
You know there are a few people living in Canberra who don’t actually work for the government?
We don’t live there but isn’t that the point of herd immunity, proof that it works¿ If you buffer the uncorrupted unvaccinated with corrupt vaccinated political staffers, then they still get protected (and for the first time in history the politicians did good with that)¿
Multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants are circulating in Japan and because of the high transmissibility of the VOC, the replacement of locally circulating strains by Alpha and Delta VOC poses a serious public health threat in Japan. Here we used a renewal-equation-based model to describe the adaptive evolution among multiple variants, i.e., R.1, Alpha and Delta variants in addition to ordinary variant, in the country to inform risk-assessment ahead of the Summer Olympic Games in Tokyo starting on 23 July 2021.
New cases decreased in early May and the emergency state in Tokyo was lifted on 20 June, but new cases in Tokyo started increasing again hereafter . As at 20 June, the R.1 variant, Alpha and Delta VOC are circulating in Japan in addition.
SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC possesses greater transmissibility than the R.1 and the Alpha VOC. The RRI of the R.1 and the Alpha and Delta VOC with respect to other strains circulating in Japan were estimated at 1.25 (SISR: 1.16–1.27), 1.44 (SISR: 1.34–1.58), and 1.95 (SISR: 1.70–2.30), respectively. This means that the Delta VOC possesses almost 1.6 and 1.4 times higher transmissibility than the R.1 and the Alpha VOC, respectively. While the Alpha VOC has replaced other SARS-CoV-2 variants in Japan just over the last 5 months, it is very likely that it is just a matter of time for the Delta VOC to replace other variants, including Alpha.
Our results show that the replacement is likely to happen mostly before the start of the Tokyo Olympic Games on 23 July 2021. In terms of possible public health impact with respect to this event, the risk assessment should account for the fact that a substantial number of international visitors during the Games might be exposed to the Delta VOC, and increased mobility could help further spread COVID-19 caused by this variant with an elevated transmissibility around the world.
During the fourth wave in Japan, interventions had to be strengthened with the emergence of the Alpha VOC. Up until the third wave, the focused interventions on food service and drinking establishments without an explicit request to ‘stay home’ have been highly effective prior to the introduction of the Alpha variant, even though vaccines were unavailable. However, because of elevated transmissibility with new variants, this strategy may not be effective to substantially reduce the reproduction number below the value of one. The two-dose vaccination coverage in Japan, which is 10.4% as at 6 July 2021 , should be increased rapidly.
pitched social media battles over COVID-19 strategy have led us to this site https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ that The Rev Dodgson may have already seen or contributed to, or like to explore, or even both
Of those locally acquired cases, 37 are linked to a known case or cluster – 14 are household contacts and 23 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 13 cases remains under investigation.
Thirteen cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 11 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community.
Of those locally acquired cases, 37 are linked to a known case or cluster – 14 are household contacts and 23 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 13 cases remains under investigation.
Thirteen cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 11 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community.
Reading that….why would you do this? I mean why different times for the known infected to the apparently naives?
>>Both groups of participants received the messenger RNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer–BioNTech). Serum samples were obtained from the previously infected participants 10 days after the administration of the first dose and from the previously uninfected participants 10 days after the administration of the second dose. Thereafter, all the participants were screened for the presence of specific anti–SARS-CoV-2 spike IgG by means of a chemiluminescence microparticle immunoassay.<<
And why wouldn’t you do samples prior to dosage? Because, you know, some people who thought they were previously not infected might have been, asymptomatically.
We admit we’re not exactly clear on what your question is but if you’re specifically asking, do we use vaccine to suppress outbreaks of disease, then yes we would presume so.
We look at it like this, if a community uses any method at all to prevent infections from spreading, anything like
ventilation, masks, air filters, aerosol disinfectant
physical distancing, reduced occupancy
movement restriction, lockdown, travel ban
vaccination, pharmacoprophylaxis
any others we may have forgotten in the heat of this moment
then that’s suppression, because preventing infections from spreading is, in a word, suppression.
Each of those methods will reduce spread of infection. More of them together, will more-reduce spread.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate remains greater than 1, then you get exponential growth even if less than without, which is asymptotic to holy shit we’re fucked, id est, suppression without elimination.
If the resulting infection reproductive rate becomes less than 1, then you get exponential decay, which is asymptotic to zero, id est, suppression becoming elimination.
Others may come at us about prescriptive use of language and WHO or CDC or DPRNA or personal definitions but they can have their own prescriptions and we’ll move on.
yeah I think the distinction perhaps, in the use I mentioned, is that once an individual and more broadly whatever example group are vaccinated then that is considered suppression through individual and group immunity, not an organized intervention for suppression by people
still I wonder what it means for people to buy into the language, that vaccination isn’t about suppression
well, I mean it may be inconvenient for some right now to highlight that vaccination is for the purposes of suppression
well yes it’s unfortunate that all the language and the scientific processes in the pandemic have become politicised
—
If you’re talking about the two aspects of vaccine benefit,
individual protection
herd immunity
then yeah it does seem to be an indictment of the societies we live in that all the talk is so focused on individual prevention, indeed we dare say to the extent that some (many) would refuse to undertake vaccination for individual protection specifically because it offers those around them herd immunity.
We mean, What The Fuck¿¡
But anyway since in Australia it seems most people do want to at least be individually protected, back to the local matter.
Apparently scaring people into taking the product that turned out to be inferior, does work, so thanks NSW. We can tell you what else would have worked though, and that would be to offer everyone the product that turned out to be safer and more effective.
We mean, shit, people are taking it to be individually protected. The advice now is to consult your doctor. Pretty sure those professionals calling themselves doctors are meant to hold to some kind of ethical standard. Something about informed consent perhaps, “informed” meaning “not lies from politicians” we would hope. Want people to trust you enough to take your purchased vaccine, even if it’s inferior, after consulting with their doctor? Don’t lie to them.
there probably are some instrumental fibs, to accelerate devolving responsibility back to individuals, so that government intervention can be relaxed
i’d reckon one of the fibs is in the distraction from the possibility that suppression by vaccines alone may be a lot less effective than elimination (containment) as the interventions are, for some period anyway, a person might be encouraged to forget how it was to be done, or how long that took, the transition, obliviation having great utility as it does
of course if one points out vaccines are for suppression (also), then it unnecessarily complicated the notion of moving away from suppression, people might get around to wondering what an unofficial release of covid might involve, or look like, they may need some encouragement to not think about that
i’d expect international travelers will eventually make a big contribution to resolving the need for an official release, for all I know some people may have fantasies about that now
anyway how’s all the money in the world meant to do what it does, if governments potentially by way of example, a model, exhibit excesses of memory and conscience, attributes money doesn’t have, I mean there must be people overseas that want to fly to Australia occasionally to check on their investments, for example, doubt they want to be too inconvenienced by Australia
which brings me to some of the noises emanating from a broadcaster I won’t mention by name, they appear to represent the nation’s conscience and memory, but I doubt the modern world mostly turns on that, how could it, but there are convincing pretensions, to stay immortal
and so the winds of internationalism blow, those that regularly view the world from ten kilometres up, or have a similarly elevated view, have no small say in the norms of more terrestrial existence
pitched social media battles over COVID-19 strategy have led us to this site https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ that The Rev Dodgson may have already seen or contributed to, or like to explore, or even both
Hadn’t seen that (let alone contributed). Thanks for the link.
Police said one of the men was found hiding behind a shower curtain. People who breached lockdown rules to party in a CBD hotel and Central Coast home also received fines.
Police said one of the men was found hiding behind a shower curtain. People who breached lockdown rules to party in a CBD hotel and Central Coast home also received fines.
But it’s not the Eastern suburbs you have worry about, is it?
Police said one of the men was found hiding behind a shower curtain. People who breached lockdown rules to party in a CBD hotel and Central Coast home also received fines.
But it’s not the Eastern suburbs you have worry about, is it?
Police said one of the men was found hiding behind a shower curtain. People who breached lockdown rules to party in a CBD hotel and Central Coast home also received fines.
But it’s not the Eastern suburbs you have worry about, is it?
yeah we don’t agree with their bullshit but thought it’s worth knowing what some out there believe
meanwhile they’re (UK) getting a bit of this flattening now so
and as mentioned before deaths lag a month or so but only a small bump so far
newer evidence is suggesting that all of those “protective” vaccines are symmetrically protective, as in yes they prevent infection but if infected then there is no relatively greater protection against severe and fatal disease
so choose between
that bump is going to get a lot bigger
it really is affecting younger age groups more
they’re lying
they kept telling us to now look at deaths, just look at deaths, so no problem, no problem at all
It’s starting to look like booster shots every 3 to 4 months, so if any of you think that’s infeasible, then let’s go with reinfection every 6 to 8 months. Sounds good hey¿
Remember every time you cop a hit, there goes 4% of your grey matter so it should only take 9 years (17 rounds) of this pandemic for everyone to lose half their brains and then you won’t have to remember that every time you cop a hit, there goes 4% of your grey matter so it should only take 9 years (17 rounds) of this pandemic for everyone to lose half their brains and then
over in Nam they didn’t want to be excoriated like Dan so they left it until 1000 (though of course their population is like 15 times bigger so you can all argue) and now
With Vietnam’s daily infection rates hitting record highs above 1,000 four times this month, the government has extended curbs after placing restrictions on the capital Hanoi on Tuesday. read more
‘State of Origin III moved to Gold Coast from Newcastle as NSW government bans crowd due to COVID-19 risk
The ARLC makes the call after being advised the NSW government will not allow Origin III to be played in Newcastle with a crowd because of the risk of Greater Sydney’s COVID-19 outbreak spreading to the regional city.’
Jebus H. Palomino!
Anastacia, git them concrete blocks back on the border! Get the RQR out at the airports with the Stinger missiles! Keep those NSW virus-breeders out!
‘State of Origin III moved to Gold Coast from Newcastle as NSW government bans crowd due to COVID-19 risk
The ARLC makes the call after being advised the NSW government will not allow Origin III to be played in Newcastle with a crowd because of the risk of Greater Sydney’s COVID-19 outbreak spreading to the regional city.’
Jebus H. Palomino!
Anastacia, git them concrete blocks back on the border! Get the RQR out at the airports with the Stinger missiles! Keep those NSW virus-breeders out!
‘State of Origin III moved to Gold Coast from Newcastle as NSW government bans crowd due to COVID-19 risk
The ARLC makes the call after being advised the NSW government will not allow Origin III to be played in Newcastle with a crowd because of the risk of Greater Sydney’s COVID-19 outbreak spreading to the regional city.’
Jebus H. Palomino!
Anastacia, git them concrete blocks back on the border! Get the RQR out at the airports with the Stinger missiles! Keep those NSW virus-breeders out!
