I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
Is this a/an job/occupation thing?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
What other occupations are involved? eg. Police in some countries?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

What about political parties? Do we currently have a culture in place intended to break down newly elected representatives, for some political parties?

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
What other occupations are involved? eg. Police in some countries?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

What about political parties? Do we currently have a culture in place intended to break down newly elected representatives, for some political parties?

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
What other occupations are involved? eg. Police in some countries?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

What about political parties? Do we currently have a culture in place intended to break down newly elected representatives, for some political parties?

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
What other occupations are involved? eg. Police in some countries?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

What about political parties? Do we currently have a culture in place intended to break down newly elected representatives, for some political parties?

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

He was the king of kings

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
What other occupations are involved? eg. Police in some countries?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

What about political parties? Do we currently have a culture in place intended to break down newly elected representatives, for some political parties?

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

It would be an interesting study to see how many rulers over the years were psychopathic
Dictatorships nowadays have rulers with almost absolute power who can kill others at a whim.
Is ordering a military strike with no regard for civilians in the way (or the actual target) considered a psychopathic act

Cymek said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

He was the king of kings

surely jesus fucking christ is a bit of self gratifying vocative

Cymek said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

It would be an interesting study to see how many rulers over the years were psychopathic
Dictatorships nowadays have rulers with almost absolute power who can kill others at a whim.
Is ordering a military strike with no regard for civilians in the way (or the actual target) considered a psychopathic act

The question wasn’t about “rulers”.

From what I have heard of the culture of training of nurses in the UK (which is quite a lot), yes trainee nurses get shitty jobs (as do trained nurses), but is it because of a culture of sadism?

No, absolutely not.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

oh jesus fucking christ

He was the king of kings

surely jesus fucking christ is a bit of self gratifying vocative

The mittelEuropeans say it right. the kink of kinks.

Supposedly at some of the prisons if you don’t join the union you have an unfortunate encounter with prisoners on your own and the told to join.
Could be bullshit but who knows

As the masochist said to the sadist……………… “Whip me!!! Whip me!! Whip me!!”

As the sadist said to the masochist……………… “No.”

considering the scale of activities humans have evolved (of culture, culturally evolved), those activities require a force to make them happen and keep happening, and work, but not just when the weather is suitable, or season, or the situation ideal, and when a person feels like it, they need be done in defiance of, get done in defiance of environmental variables, discomforts and feelings, and from the start of the work day to the end, and perhaps any time of the day, it might be night, a twenty-four hour day

so there has long been social forces, cultural forces, ideology, even notions held that may be considered miniature ideologies, to make it all work, to render the contemporary (industrial, or technological) environment your natural environment really, which requires or involves the tweaking of human nature, adjustments to the characteristics of (the raw materials), ‘transforms the raw material’ as the father of modern sociology may have put it

so yeah, humans are a diverse lot, there’s a person for any job, people for all sorts of jobs, suitable for, to get whatever done

but what is a natural person, and a natural environment, that probably requires a working unconclusion, not everything is or can or ought be answered with a conclusion, or by way of conclusion

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
What other occupations are involved? eg. Police in some countries?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

What about political parties? Do we currently have a culture in place intended to break down newly elected representatives, for some political parties?

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

Wait, was he one too?

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

I really doubt you can blame the British entirely.
Yes it is entrenched.
We are ruled by psyhcopaths who didn’t fiind a career in serial killing or paedophilia etc.

oh jesus fucking christ

Wait, was he one too?

Dunno but his religion caused a lot of serial killings.

Islam caused a lot of serial killings as did a lot of other religions.

Then there’s non religious wars, famine, disease, natural disasters, various other crimes against humanity, genocide, murders, manslaughter.

Its hard to get accurate figures for everything.

From psychopaths to ‘everyday sadists’: why do humans harm the harmless? September 24, 2020
https://theconversation.com/from-psychopaths-to-everyday-sadists-why-do-humans-harm-the-harmless-144017

From psychopaths to ‘everyday sadists’: why do humans harm the harmless?

Why are some humans cruel to people who don’t even pose a threat to them – sometimes even their own children? Where does this behaviour come from and what purpose does it serve? Ruth, 45, London.

Humans are the glory and the scum of the universe, concluded the French philosopher, Blaise Pascal, in 1658. Little has changed. We love and we loathe; we help and we harm; we reach out a hand and we stick in the knife.

We understand if someone lashes out in retaliation or self-defence. But when someone harms the harmless, we ask: “How could you?”

Humans typically do things to get pleasure or avoid pain. For most of us, hurting others causes us to feel their pain. And we don’t like this feeling. This suggests two reasons people may harm the harmless – either they don’t feel the others’ pain or they enjoy feeling the others’ pain.

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

From psychopaths to ‘everyday sadists’: why do humans harm the harmless? September 24, 2020
https://theconversation.com/from-psychopaths-to-everyday-sadists-why-do-humans-harm-the-harmless-144017

From psychopaths to ‘everyday sadists’: why do humans harm the harmless?

Why are some humans cruel to people who don’t even pose a threat to them – sometimes even their own children? Where does this behaviour come from and what purpose does it serve? Ruth, 45, London.

Humans are the glory and the scum of the universe, concluded the French philosopher, Blaise Pascal, in 1658. Little has changed. We love and we loathe; we help and we harm; we reach out a hand and we stick in the knife.

We understand if someone lashes out in retaliation or self-defence. But when someone harms the harmless, we ask: “How could you?”

Humans typically do things to get pleasure or avoid pain. For most of us, hurting others causes us to feel their pain. And we don’t like this feeling. This suggests two reasons people may harm the harmless – either they don’t feel the others’ pain or they enjoy feeling the others’ pain.

more…

>>Thankfully, most people have no psychopathic traits. Only 0.5% of people could be deemed psychopaths. Yet around 8% of male and 2% of female prisoners are psychopaths.

Interesting article, it could have gone into more detail about making choices.

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
Is this a/an job/occupation thing?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

So with only 0.5% of the population deemed psychopaths, not very many will get into politics.

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
Is this a/an job/occupation thing?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

So with only 0.5% of the population deemed psychopaths, not very many will get into politics.

Incidence. Hare reports that about 1 percent of the general population meets the clinical criteria for psychopathy. Hare further claims that the prevalence of psychopaths is higher in the business world than in the general population. Figures of around 3–4% have been cited for more senior positions in business.

Psychopathy in the workplace – Wikipedia

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
Is this a/an job/occupation thing?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

So with only 0.5% of the population deemed psychopaths, not very many will get into politics.

Incidence. Hare reports that about 1 percent of the general population meets the clinical criteria for psychopathy. Hare further claims that the prevalence of psychopaths is higher in the business world than in the general population. Figures of around 3–4% have been cited for more senior positions in business.

Psychopathy in the workplace – Wikipedia

Around 8% of male and 2% of female prisoners are psychopaths.

and most of them are locked up.

but one would find sadists across all trades and professions.

Some might gravitate towards war, dunno.

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never encountered this first hand.

There is a version of Murphy’s Law which states:

• Things will get worse before they get better
• Who said things will get better?

It has been slowly impinging on my consciousness that some occupations have a similar mantra:

• You have to break recruits down before you can build them up again
• (Who said we will build them up again?)

This is more than just giving the newest recruits the shittiest jobs, this is going out of your way to make life hell for them. A culture of sadism.

I’ve heard of it in the following professions and countries:

• The army (UK and USA)
• The nursing profession (UK and Australia)
• Religious seminaries (Australia)
• Some religious cults (USA)
• Customs officers (UK)
• Some schools (UK)
• Some sports teams (USA)

In the USA, I’ve heard it said that some kind-hearted people deliberately keep a persona of sadism in order to fit in with their profession.

Is this a British thing, or worldwide?
Is this a/an job/occupation thing?
Or do sadists just naturallly gravitate towards a place in life where they feel safe because they fit into the culture?

So with only 0.5% of the population deemed psychopaths, not very many will get into politics.

I cannot find any figures for percentage of sadists in a population. What I glanced at here and there said it would be low.

I’d be more worried about idiots as they are around 80 percent of the worlds population.

Aggressive behavior brings emotional pain to the sadist
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181219075844.htm

10 Ways to Spot an ‘Everyday’ Sadist https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201503/10-ways-spot-everyday-sadist

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

So with only 0.5% of the population deemed psychopaths, not very many will get into politics.

Incidence. Hare reports that about 1 percent of the general population meets the clinical criteria for psychopathy. Hare further claims that the prevalence of psychopaths is higher in the business world than in the general population. Figures of around 3–4% have been cited for more senior positions in business.

Psychopathy in the workplace – Wikipedia

Around 8% of male and 2% of female prisoners are psychopaths.

and most of them are locked up.

but one would find sadists across all trades and professions.

Some might gravitate towards war, dunno.

And?

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Incidence. Hare reports that about 1 percent of the general population meets the clinical criteria for psychopathy. Hare further claims that the prevalence of psychopaths is higher in the business world than in the general population. Figures of around 3–4% have been cited for more senior positions in business.

Psychopathy in the workplace – Wikipedia

Around 8% of male and 2% of female prisoners are psychopaths.

and most of them are locked up.

but one would find sadists across all trades and professions.

Some might gravitate towards war, dunno.

And?

Some sadists were found committing war crimes but that’s different to the OP.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Around 8% of male and 2% of female prisoners are psychopaths.

and most of them are locked up.

but one would find sadists across all trades and professions.

Some might gravitate towards war, dunno.

And?

Some sadists were found committing war crimes but that’s different to the OP.

You seem to be inferring that all psychopaths are locked up?

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

And?

Some sadists were found committing war crimes but that’s different to the OP.

You seem to be inferring that all psychopaths are locked up?

No, most of them are locked up is different to all locked up.

Maybe a new study is needed?

Articles saying low figures and other articles saying 54 percent of psychology students killed bugs is somewhat inconclusive.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Some sadists were found committing war crimes but that’s different to the OP.

You seem to be inferring that all psychopaths are locked up?

No, most of them are locked up is different to all locked up.

Well a lot are locked up, but most people in prison are not psychopaths. Psychopaths work and play amongst us (at least 1 in 100), but they do not go around killing people or doing other dastardly deeds.

There was a study that indicated that psychopaths are born that way, but it is the way they are nurtured that determines the way they turn out. They tend to be well liked and charming, but use people for their own advancement. And of course, have no conscience about how they hurt others.

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

You seem to be inferring that all psychopaths are locked up?

No, most of them are locked up is different to all locked up.

Well a lot are locked up, but most people in prison are not psychopaths. Psychopaths work and play amongst us (at least 1 in 100), but they do not go around killing people or doing other dastardly deeds.

There was a study that indicated that psychopaths are born that way, but it is the way they are nurtured that determines the way they turn out. They tend to be well liked and charming, but use people for their own advancement. And of course, have no conscience about how they hurt others.

Maybe if a new study is needed into sadism, perhaps it should look at trolling, bullying and other coercive behaviours.

Tau.Neutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

No, most of them are locked up is different to all locked up.

Well a lot are locked up, but most people in prison are not psychopaths. Psychopaths work and play amongst us (at least 1 in 100), but they do not go around killing people or doing other dastardly deeds.

There was a study that indicated that psychopaths are born that way, but it is the way they are nurtured that determines the way they turn out. They tend to be well liked and charming, but use people for their own advancement. And of course, have no conscience about how they hurt others.

Maybe if a new study is needed into sadism, perhaps it should look at trolling, bullying and other coercive behaviours.

I think if you look, there will be plenty.