We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Which is why we should do things like this; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/battery-manufacturing-home-storage-australia-industry/100275874
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Australia digs up both iron ore and coking coal, so don’t we make our own steel?
Because the most expensive part of the process is loading and unloading to the ships. We need to load the iron ore onto a ship and unload it to Newcastle, smelt it into bricks to the customer’s requirements, then load it back onto a ship and take it to the customer who remelts it and makes what they want.
Alternatively, the customer could buy the iron ore and coal from whichever market they choose, smelt it to their requirements and turn it directly into the finished product they require. It is easier for them with less double handling and better for the environment.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Which is why we should do things like this; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/battery-manufacturing-home-storage-australia-industry/100275874
“Smart” is working to your strengths. If another country with a lower quality of lifestyle (and therefore wages) can make/assemble something cheaper by an order of magnitude, why not utilise that resource?
And note that the above battery company is merely assembling individual cells made elsewhere, not manufacturing the cells which is the difficult and messy bit.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Which is why we should do things like this; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/battery-manufacturing-home-storage-australia-industry/100275874
“Smart” is working to your strengths. If another country with a lower quality of lifestyle (and therefore wages) can make/assemble something cheaper by an order of magnitude, why not utilise that resource?
And note that the above battery company is merely assembling individual cells made elsewhere, not manufacturing the cells which is the difficult and messy bit.
I can see that this is the way that things have gone but hey, the other countries managed it. So why haven’t we?
Yeah I know, population has often been the answer to that but the population of Switzerland hasn’t yet reached what ours was in 1960.
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Look up comparative advantage. Australia’s CA is in mining and agriculture and knowledge based services like bioscience and the university sector in general. The reason why countries like South Korea are manufacturing powerhouses is because literally there is nothing else they can do.
Swiss GDP by sector is about 71% services, 26% industry, the rest agriculture etc. Swiss agriculture is highly protected with tariffs.
Oz GDP by sector is about 66.1% services, 25% industry, the rest agriculture etc.
Swiss industry is more concerned with manufacture than Oz, but mostly of very expensive stuff (like high end watches).
Interestingly Oz makes about thrice as much money from tourism as Switzerland.
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Switzerland’s wealth is based on being a small, politically stable country with dodgy banking practices that allow rich people from other countries to preserve their wealth.
Making stuff is very much a side show.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Australia digs up both iron ore and coking coal, so don’t we make our own steel?
Because the most expensive part of the process is loading and unloading to the ships. We need to load the iron ore onto a ship and unload it to Newcastle, smelt it into bricks to the customer’s requirements, then load it back onto a ship and take it to the customer who remelts it and makes what they want.
Alternatively, the customer could buy the iron ore and coal from whichever market they choose, smelt it to their requirements and turn it directly into the finished product they require. It is easier for them with less double handling and better for the environment.
Australian steel production:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Switzerland’s wealth is based on being a small, politically stable country with dodgy banking practices that allow rich people from other countries to preserve their wealth.
Making stuff is very much a side show.
aha.
Humorous answer – we make New Zealand the next state.
More seriously – I’ll have to think about that.
Side issue – is Indonesia already a superpower? It has enough population for it.
mollwollfumble said:
Humorous answer – we make New Zealand the next state.More seriously – I’ll have to think about that.
Side issue – is Indonesia already a superpower? It has enough population for it.
I’ll field this one.
No.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
Humorous answer – we make New Zealand the next state.More seriously – I’ll have to think about that.
Side issue – is Indonesia already a superpower? It has enough population for it.
I’ll field this one.
No.
I agree.
I think we should concentrate on our strengths and natural advantages. Which means minerals and agriculture. Forget manufacturing for export, it is not going to happen, except for small niche products or high tech specialist products which we need domestically to support mining and agriculture. We need to get into value-adding to our minerals and agriculture – like selling metals instead of ores – but that requires good transport and cheap and abundant energy. The future is all about clean energy too, not this coal stuff.
However we have a rail system split between various different gauges, and some of the dirtiest energy in the world.
party_pants said:
I think we should concentrate on our strengths and natural advantages. Which means minerals and agriculture. Forget manufacturing for export, it is not going to happen, except for small niche products or high tech specialist products which we need domestically to support mining and agriculture. We need to get into value-adding to our minerals and agriculture – like selling metals instead of ores – but that requires good transport and cheap and abundant energy. The future is all about clean energy too, not this coal stuff.However we have a rail system split between various different gauges, and some of the dirtiest energy in the world.
party_pants said:
I think we should concentrate on our strengths and natural advantages. Which means minerals and agriculture. Forget manufacturing for export, it is not going to happen, except for small niche products or high tech specialist products which we need domestically to support mining and agriculture. We need to get into value-adding to our minerals and agriculture – like selling metals instead of ores – but that requires good transport and cheap and abundant energy. The future is all about clean energy too, not this coal stuff.However we have a rail system split between various different gauges, and some of the dirtiest energy in the world.
We have a long way to go to beyond being a hole in the ground.
party_pants said:
I think we should concentrate on our strengths and natural advantages.
Marketing and (equals) bullshit make Australia great ¿
Switzerland does very well because, while it doesn’t condone tyranny, prejudice, discrimination, genocide, war, inequity, brigandry, lying, cheating, slavery, or a hundred other sins, it’s perfectly happy to keep meticulous accounts for people who do indulge in such things.
captain_spalding said:
Switzerland does very well because, while it doesn’t condone tyranny, prejudice, discrimination, genocide, war, inequity, brigandry, lying, cheating, slavery, or a hundred other sins, it’s perfectly happy to keep meticulous accounts for people who do indulge in such things.
Safe as a bank.
Change the laws so that all mining resources belong to the people, and tax mining resources high.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Switzerland does very well because, while it doesn’t condone tyranny, prejudice, discrimination, genocide, war, inequity, brigandry, lying, cheating, slavery, or a hundred other sins, it’s perfectly happy to keep meticulous accounts for people who do indulge in such things.
Safe as a bank.
especially this one
Tau.Neutrino said:
Change the laws so that all mining resources belong to the people, and tax mining resources high.
communist
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
I think we should concentrate on our strengths and natural advantages. Which means minerals and agriculture. Forget manufacturing for export, it is not going to happen, except for small niche products or high tech specialist products which we need domestically to support mining and agriculture. We need to get into value-adding to our minerals and agriculture – like selling metals instead of ores – but that requires good transport and cheap and abundant energy. The future is all about clean energy too, not this coal stuff.However we have a rail system split between various different gauges, and some of the dirtiest energy in the world.
The rail system is largely standardised.
Not really. Only east-west and between the capital cities. The north-south (Brisbane to Melbourne) is still under construction. But once again it is only between capitals. The rest of QLD beyond Brisbane will still be a different gauge. There is currently no seemless rail service between smaller regional centres – which is what a network is all about.
Change the education system to lower domestic violence rates so that people can behave better in relationships.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Change the education system to lower domestic violence rates so that people can behave better in relationships.
you mean shift capability and responsibility for socialisation of children back to parents impose negative consequences on teachers who fail to educate children on interpersonal interactions
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Change the education system to lower domestic violence rates so that people can behave better in relationships.
you mean
shift capability and responsibility for socialisation of children back to parentsimpose negative consequences on teachers who fail to educate children on interpersonal interactions
Send prospective parents back to school of social interactive responsibility?
Enforce contraception until they become real grownups?
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Change the education system to lower domestic violence rates so that people can behave better in relationships.
you mean
shift capability and responsibility for socialisation of children back to parentsimpose negative consequences on teachers who fail to educate children on interpersonal interactions
Both parents and teachers have shared responsibilities.
With the appalling domestic violence rates we have, we really need to change our education system and look at the possibility of bringing in psychologists as teachers.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Change the education system to lower domestic violence rates so that people can behave better in relationships.
you mean
shift capability and responsibility for socialisation of children back to parentsimpose negative consequences on teachers who fail to educate children on interpersonal interactions
Both parents and teachers have shared responsibilities.
With the appalling domestic violence rates we have, we really need to change our education system and look at the possibility of bringing in psychologists as teachers.
Teachers have enough to do now.
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rb
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rb
Yeah I know we think it is great.
We live in a democracy. We vote in people who represent us in our decision making. Then they divide us. And then they do whatever they are told by a hand full of powerful people most of whom rake the profits off shore and do not contribute much to this country at all.
If we could stop political donations and the cushy post political career postings…
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:you mean
shift capability and responsibility for socialisation of children back to parentsimpose negative consequences on teachers who fail to educate children on interpersonal interactions
Both parents and teachers have shared responsibilities.
With the appalling domestic violence rates we have, we really need to change our education system and look at the possibility of bringing in psychologists as teachers.
Teachers have enough to do now.
So do some parents.
If teachers have enough to do now, then perhaps its time to bring in other specialists to fill in gaps because of their heavy work load.
Also it makes no sense to talk about shifting capabilites and responsibilities when both parties are bound to it.
Supersonic aircraft would help.
I see great opportunities for Australian manufacturing. Manufacturing for the Indonesian market.
We have plenty of land and resources. They have plenty of customers.
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rb
It has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
sarahs mum said:
We live in a democracy. We vote in people who represent us in our decision making. Then they divide us. And then they do whatever they are told by a hand full of powerful people most of whom rake the profits off shore and do not contribute much to this country at all.If we could stop political donations and the cushy post political career postings…
+1 and add a federal ICAC to sort out the rest.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Both parents and teachers have shared responsibilities.
With the appalling domestic violence rates we have, we really need to change our education system and look at the possibility of bringing in psychologists as teachers.
Teachers have enough to do now.
So do some parents.
If teachers have enough to do now, then perhaps its time to bring in other specialists to fill in gaps because of their heavy work load.
Also it makes no sense to talk about shifting capabilites and responsibilities when both parties are bound to it.
Teachers get your kid’s attention for less than 17% of their daily lives. To top that off they get the beasts to tame after they have already been wilded.
sarahs mum said:
We live in a democracy. We vote in people who represent us in our decision making. Then they divide us. And then they do whatever they are told by a hand full of powerful people most of whom rake the profits off shore and do not contribute much to this country at all.If we could stop political donations and the cushy post political career postings…
stop political donations
+1
mollwollfumble said:
Supersonic aircraft would help.I see great opportunities for Australian manufacturing. Manufacturing for the Indonesian market.
We have plenty of land and resources. They have plenty of customers.
Even better, think Dubai. Make Broome into the Dubai of the eastern world.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbIt has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbIt has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
The real issue is however, that WE have left the making of it great up to people like Gina and Scomo. What are we going to do with the place after it is all fucked up?
Speedy said:
sarahs mum said:
We live in a democracy. We vote in people who represent us in our decision making. Then they divide us. And then they do whatever they are told by a hand full of powerful people most of whom rake the profits off shore and do not contribute much to this country at all.If we could stop political donations and the cushy post political career postings…
+1 and add a federal ICAC to sort out the rest.
+1 +1
Speedy said:
sarahs mum said:
We live in a democracy. We vote in people who represent us in our decision making. Then they divide us. And then they do whatever they are told by a hand full of powerful people most of whom rake the profits off shore and do not contribute much to this country at all.If we could stop political donations and the cushy post political career postings…
+1 and add a federal ICAC to sort out the rest.
++
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbIt has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
It was obviously a running example made from the MAGA. I left off the again.. I could have added er?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbIt has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
The real issue is however, that WE have left the making of it great up to people like Gina and Scomo. What are we going to do with the place after it is all fucked up?
True.
We have to wait millions of years.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
It was obviously a running example made from the MAGA. I left off the again.. I could have added er?
if I asked you to explain what you mean by great, that might be a good start, you could explore what you mean
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbIt has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
How to make Australia Better.
transition said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
It was obviously a running example made from the MAGA. I left off the again.. I could have added er?
if I asked you to explain what you mean by great, that might be a good start, you could explore what you mean
Well we certainly don’t need to be great in the Trump sense of the usage.
Nor do we need to do it in the economy must grow greater sense of usage.
I used the word we, to be inclusive.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It has the word WE in it RB.
Title should have been – How to make Australia great.
Also we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
How to make Australia Better.
Better than who? Better than where? What makes us great?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:no, the worst of it is in the use of the word great, or misuse
How to make Australia Better.
Better than who? Better than where? What makes us great?
What makes us great?
We don’t have America’s gun problem.
We don’t sell guns in supermarkets.
We don’t let people with a mental illness to buy guns.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbAlso we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
‘Us’.
There’s a tinny word.
‘Us’.
Tinny. Tinny.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:How to make Australia Better.
Better than who? Better than where? What makes us great?
What makes us great?
We don’t have America’s gun problem.
We don’t sell guns in supermarkets.
We don’t let people with a mental illness to buy guns.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Change the laws so that all mining resources belong to the people, and tax mining resources high.
>>>>>>>Change the laws so that all mining resources belong to the people
They already do, by law. Minerals are all vested in the Crown, at state level.
>>>>>>>>tax mining resources high
They already tax them (called Royalties), but not high enough, I’d say.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
don’t like the thread title, it’s shit, rbAlso we is a tinny word, not woody enough.
‘Us’.
There’s a tinny word.
‘Us’.
Tinny. Tinny.
Us and them.
Tau.Neutrino said:
We don’t let people with a mental illness to buy guns.
Not the ones that we know are nuts, anyway.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:It was obviously a running example made from the MAGA. I left off the again.. I could have added er?
if I asked you to explain what you mean by great, that might be a good start, you could explore what you mean
Well we certainly don’t need to be great in the Trump sense of the usage.
Nor do we need to do it in the economy must grow greater sense of usage.
I used the word we, to be inclusive.
you might as well have said how do we make australia grate, at least then it may have ventured being humorous, this alphabet thing is grate, you’re a grate guy
transition said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:if I asked you to explain what you mean by great, that might be a good start, you could explore what you mean
Well we certainly don’t need to be great in the Trump sense of the usage.
Nor do we need to do it in the economy must grow greater sense of usage.
I used the word we, to be inclusive.
you might as well have said how do we make australia grate, at least then it may have ventured being humorous, this alphabet thing is grate, you’re a grate guy
to be fair the français for grate is raper and Australia does have its fair share
Human behaviour has a subject like reading and mathematics.
mollwollfumble said:
Supersonic aircraft would help.I see great opportunities for Australian manufacturing. Manufacturing for the Indonesian market.
We have plenty of land and resources. They have plenty of customers.
I see it the opposite. I see a great future for the Indonesian manufacturing sector making stuff for their own domestic market with a growing middle class. There is an opportunity to sell them the materials they need. We would buy their finished consumer goods in return, possibly displacing cheap consumer goods from China. Just as China displaced consumer goods from Taiwan over the last 20 years.
sarahs mum said:
We live in a democracy. We vote in people who represent us in our decision making. Then they divide us. And then they do whatever they are told by a hand full of powerful people most of whom rake the profits off shore and do not contribute much to this country at all.If we could stop political donations and the cushy post political career postings…
+1
“Populate or perish”
?
Australia has too much flooding and to much drought, so “More dams”
?
“High speed rail from Cairns to Adelaide via the coast”
?
“International airport in Broome” and make it a tax haven.
?
Follow the lead of the UAE, have the entire country run by seven crown princes.
?
Ask NZ if they’ll annexe us?
captain_spalding said:
Ask NZ if they’ll annexe us?
I’m sure they’d tell us to bugger off in inimitable NZ fashion.
mollwollfumble said:
“Populate or perish”?
Australia has too much flooding and to much drought, so “More dams”
?
“High speed rail from Cairns to Adelaide via the coast”
?
“International airport in Broome” and make it a tax haven.
?
Follow the lead of the UAE, have the entire country run by seven crown princes.
?
1. Dunno
2. I think in some parts of the country we have to give up on the notion that rainfall is a normal distribution. Rather it tends to oscillate between two phases of scarity or excess, and that an average rainfall year is infrequent. We need to plan according to expecting one of the two discrete outcomes, not expecting the middle. Don’t know if more dams is the key.
3. No point,
4. Broome airport is already international. Tax havens – No. Competition of regulation is always a race to the bottom. Tax havens don’t create wealth or new business, they distort it.
5. Fuck that.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Australia digs up both iron ore and coking coal, so don’t we make our own steel?
Because the most expensive part of the process is loading and unloading to the ships. We need to load the iron ore onto a ship and unload it to Newcastle, smelt it into bricks to the customer’s requirements, then load it back onto a ship and take it to the customer who remelts it and makes what they want.
Alternatively, the customer could buy the iron ore and coal from whichever market they choose, smelt it to their requirements and turn it directly into the finished product they require. It is easier for them with less double handling and better for the environment.
Australia is one of the world’s major steel producing countriesm
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
We have relied upon primary industry for too long.
We doo need to make use of our smarts.
I look at places like Switzerland wonder what have they got that allows a place the size of a postage stamp to do well?
Well they make fine quality things out of raw materials that we basically give away.
Australia digs up both iron ore and coking coal, so don’t we make our own steel?
Because the most expensive part of the process is loading and unloading to the ships. We need to load the iron ore onto a ship and unload it to Newcastle, smelt it into bricks to the customer’s requirements, then load it back onto a ship and take it to the customer who remelts it and makes what they want.
Alternatively, the customer could buy the iron ore and coal from whichever market they choose, smelt it to their requirements and turn it directly into the finished product they require. It is easier for them with less double handling and better for the environment.
Australia is one of the world’s major steel producing countriesm
Number 27 on this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Australia digs up both iron ore and coking coal, so don’t we make our own steel?
Because the most expensive part of the process is loading and unloading to the ships. We need to load the iron ore onto a ship and unload it to Newcastle, smelt it into bricks to the customer’s requirements, then load it back onto a ship and take it to the customer who remelts it and makes what they want.
Alternatively, the customer could buy the iron ore and coal from whichever market they choose, smelt it to their requirements and turn it directly into the finished product they require. It is easier for them with less double handling and better for the environment.
Australia is one of the world’s major steel producing countriesm
Number 27 on this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
There is a difference between “iron” and “Steel”. We are the largest exporter or iron, China is the largest exporter of steel. (using mostly Australian coal and iron)
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Australia is one of the world’s major steel producing countriesm
Number 27 on this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
There is a difference between “iron” and “Steel”. We are the largest exporter or iron, China is the largest exporter of steel. (using mostly Australian coal and iron)
Right, there is, but Australia is still one of the major steel producing countries (Shrugs) like in the top 15%. Pre capita we’re doing even better.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:Number 27 on this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
There is a difference between “iron” and “Steel”. We are the largest exporter or iron, China is the largest exporter of steel. (using mostly Australian coal and iron)
Right, there is, but Australia is still one of the major steel producing countries (Shrugs) like in the top 15%. Pre capita we’re doing even better.
Looking at that list, I didn’t know that Iran and Egypt were big steel producers.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:There is a difference between “iron” and “Steel”. We are the largest exporter or iron, China is the largest exporter of steel. (using mostly Australian coal and iron)
Right, there is, but Australia is still one of the major steel producing countries (Shrugs) like in the top 15%. Pre capita we’re doing even better.
Looking at that list, I didn’t know that Iran and Egypt were big steel producers.
Saudi is also a surprise
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:Number 27 on this list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_steel_production
There is a difference between “iron” and “Steel”. We are the largest exporter or iron, China is the largest exporter of steel. (using mostly Australian coal and iron)
Right, there is, but Australia is still one of the major steel producing countries (Shrugs) like in the top 15%. Pre capita we’re doing even better.
Bluescope shares up 94% in the last 12 months. Even with the Covids.
Woodie said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:There is a difference between “iron” and “Steel”. We are the largest exporter or iron, China is the largest exporter of steel. (using mostly Australian coal and iron)
Right, there is, but Australia is still one of the major steel producing countries (Shrugs) like in the top 15%. Pre capita we’re doing even better.
Bluescope shares up 94% in the last 12 months. Even with the Covids.
I’ll add to that. Up 214% over the last 5 years.
Bring back the whip
wookiemeister said:
Bring back the whip
Why, did Bert Van Manen leave¿
wookiemeister said:
Bring back the whip
bring back the slave markets!
