Countries that have got worse 7 day smoothed Covid deaths per population in the past month have mostly been outside South America.
In particular, Namibia, Tunisia and South Africa on the African continent.
As well as Russia and Oman. And Fiji.
Nambia is now officially the worst country in the world to be for Covid, taking over from Paraguay.
Table of 7 day smoothed Covid deaths per population.
Delta variant. More countries with high incidences of delta variant. The delta variant is dropping off in popularity in India, with the rise is new varaints with no newpaper-friendly name. Curves of delta variant incidence are practically identical between UK and Russia.
I have to admit to some puzzlement about SCIENCE finding the Covid cases in NSW so amusing.
schadenfreude. i will hazard a guess at, or pretending to one because, history.
Not at all, we’re just appreciating the ironic or sarcastic humour that our very brilliant politicians set out when sloganeering the pandemic responses.
I have to admit to some puzzlement about SCIENCE finding the Covid cases in NSW so amusing.
schadenfreude. i will hazard a guess at, or pretending to one because, history.
Not at all, we’re just appreciating the ironic or sarcastic humour that our very brilliant politicians set out when sloganeering the pandemic responses.
schadenfreude. i will hazard a guess at, or pretending to one because, history.
Not at all, we’re just appreciating the ironic or sarcastic humour that our very brilliant politicians set out when sloganeering the pandemic responses.
Yeah, that is kinda what i was alluding to.
But it’s not as The Rev Dodgson says finding the Covid cases in NSW so amusing, we laugh equally at how they call Chairman Dan’s zero cases the worst pandemic response in the world nay the universe.
The Premier yesterday said she was comfortable with the timing of NSW’s lockdown. “What I know is that we have some of the best health experts … best advisers from the private sector and business contributing to the NSW government’s ability to make decisions,” she said.
that’s right private business are the right contributors to pandemic decision
But Professor Bowtell said these new restrictions were “not enough to turn the rising numbers around”. “They are not like the stage-four restrictions in the gold-standard state for these things, which is Victoria.”
more pyrite
Professor Bowtell said case numbers remained high because the initial lockdown was delayed by 10 days and there were two weeks of “lockdown lite”. “This should never have happened, but here we are.”
communist
“We’re not asking for much, given the situation we are in … people need to look inside themselves, to really dig deep into their own consciences,” she said.
not asking for much hey oh sorry what was that every time some other state locked down it was an unconscionable infringement on human rights freedoms idiocy but now it’s not much what a bunch of
Ms Berejiklian says given the number of people exposed in the community overnight, “I’m anticipating the numbers in NSW will be greater than 100 tomorrow”.
“And I’ll be shocked if it’s less than 100 this time tomorrow of additional new cases,” she said.
Ms Berejiklian says given the number of people exposed in the community overnight, “I’m anticipating the numbers in NSW will be greater than 100 tomorrow”.
“And I’ll be shocked if it’s less than 100 this time tomorrow of additional new cases,” she said.
It is in danger of getting properly out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
Yes, unfortunately.
“But obviously, at this point in time, the contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those. Because we knows people are moving in certain communities in a particular way, our contact tracers have been able to stay a step ahead and that’s the whole point of a lockdown.”
I don’t think they are a step ahead at all. That’s just pure pollie-speak.
It is in danger of getting properly out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
Yes, unfortunately.
“But obviously, at this point in time, the contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those. Because we knows people are moving in certain communities in a particular way, our contact tracers have been able to stay a step ahead and that’s the whole point of a lockdown.”
I don’t think they are a step ahead at all. That’s just pure pollie-speak.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
It is in danger of getting properly out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
Yes, unfortunately.
“But obviously, at this point in time, the contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those. Because we knows people are moving in certain communities in a particular way, our contact tracers have been able to stay a step ahead and that’s the whole point of a lockdown.”
I don’t think they are a step ahead at all. That’s just pure pollie-speak.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
No, no, no, I read somewhere yesterday that it’s different in Sydney and it wouldn’t have made any difference if they’d gone into lockdown a week earlier or as soon as they knew there was community transmission. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!
It is in danger of getting properly out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
Yes, unfortunately.
“But obviously, at this point in time, the contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those. Because we knows people are moving in certain communities in a particular way, our contact tracers have been able to stay a step ahead and that’s the whole point of a lockdown.”
I don’t think they are a step ahead at all. That’s just pure pollie-speak.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
Agree, though we would also agree that it is true that “contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those”.
What their lies and misdirections are hiding, though, is that they haven’t mentioned breaking those chains of transmission.
“But obviously, at this point in time, the contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those. Because we knows people are moving in certain communities in a particular way, our contact tracers have been able to stay a step ahead and that’s the whole point of a lockdown.”
I don’t think they are a step ahead at all. That’s just pure pollie-speak.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
No, no, no, I read somewhere yesterday that it’s different in Sydney and it wouldn’t have made any difference if they’d gone into lockdown a week earlier or as soon as they knew there was community transmission. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!
“But obviously, at this point in time, the contact tracers have uncovered a number of chains of transmission. Were it not for lockdown, it would have been hard to identify those. Because we knows people are moving in certain communities in a particular way, our contact tracers have been able to stay a step ahead and that’s the whole point of a lockdown.”
I don’t think they are a step ahead at all. That’s just pure pollie-speak.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
No, no, no, I read somewhere yesterday that it’s different in Sydney and it wouldn’t have made any difference if they’d gone into lockdown a week earlier or as soon as they knew there was community transmission. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!
Unfortunately you’re talking to a west Australian here. We have experience in such matters. I have written to the premier this morning demanding the borders remain shut to NSW.
I would also like a referendum on expelling the Sydney region from the Federation just for good measure, so the bastards need a passport and visa to leave their little plague city-state.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
No, no, no, I read somewhere yesterday that it’s different in Sydney and it wouldn’t have made any difference if they’d gone into lockdown a week earlier or as soon as they knew there was community transmission. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!
Unfortunately you’re talking to a west Australian here. We have experience in such matters. I have written to the premier this morning demanding the borders remain shut to NSW.
I would also like a referendum on expelling the Sydney region from the Federation just for good measure, so the bastards need a passport and visa to leave their little plague city-state.
if we’re not in WA, can we still write to your premier and commend the pandemic measures there, because we’d like to commend them
Bullshit, it’s important for socialisation and wellbeing that children get to smear purulent sputum and fresh faeces over each other at school. Catching a near-lethal disease and losing one or both of their parents is character building. If they miss out on these big experiences then they’ll develop mental health problems and earn less for The Economy Must Grow later on.
Yes. I think they are a step behind. They gave the virus a head start and are still trying to catch up.
No, no, no, I read somewhere yesterday that it’s different in Sydney and it wouldn’t have made any difference if they’d gone into lockdown a week earlier or as soon as they knew there was community transmission. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!
Unfortunately you’re talking to a west Australian here. We have experience in such matters. I have written to the premier this morning demanding the borders remain shut to NSW.
I would also like a referendum on expelling the Sydney region from the Federation just for good measure, so the bastards need a passport and visa to leave their little plague city-state.
I suspect about now the NSW contact tracers are wishing there hadn’t been so much badmouthing about the Victorian contact tracers. Because contact tracing is relatively easy when you don’t have much of it to do. It is now reaching the “difficult” level in NSW.
Bullshit, it’s important for socialisation and wellbeing that children get to smear purulent sputum and fresh faeces over each other at school. Catching a near-lethal disease and losing one or both of their parents is character building. If they miss out on these big experiences then they’ll develop mental health problems and earn less for The Economy Must Grow later on.
I had all those problems when i was at school.
At the time, the condition was diagnosed as ‘adolsecence’.
No, no, no, I read somewhere yesterday that it’s different in Sydney and it wouldn’t have made any difference if they’d gone into lockdown a week earlier or as soon as they knew there was community transmission. NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!
Unfortunately you’re talking to a west Australian here. We have experience in such matters. I have written to the premier this morning demanding the borders remain shut to NSW.
I would also like a referendum on expelling the Sydney region from the Federation just for good measure, so the bastards need a passport and visa to leave their little plague city-state.
LOL
OK, fair enough, but why not go all the way and expel everybody except Perth from the Federation?
I suspect about now the NSW contact tracers are wishing there hadn’t been so much badmouthing about the Victorian contact tracers. Because contact tracing is relatively easy when you don’t have much of it to do. It is now reaching the “difficult” level in NSW.
out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
well at least it’s not the Netherlands
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
The NRL has decided, apparently unilaterally, to move the third State of Origin game to Brisbane, probably because, well, who wants to go to Newcastle?
And it looks like the Qld govt has nothing to say about it, and Anastacia is serendipitously likely to be in Japan as part of the Olympics bid gravy train when the game happens, so it’ll be someone else’s problem/fault.
As it’s a money-making exercise, NSW fanatics will undoubtedly be allowed in, and bring their germs with them.
Hold on to your hats, Queenslanders, it’s going to get rough.
out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
well at least it’s not the Netherlands
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
for the sake of everyone we hope so
however some out there are suggesting it’s because this time it’s transmitting over all the children so we’ll see
out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
well at least it’s not the Netherlands
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
well at least it’s not the Netherlands
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
Alternative theory mode. Maybe it’s the vaccinations. Maybe it’s the variant, transmissible but not so fatal? Maybe it’s a combination.
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
Alternative theory mode. Maybe it’s the vaccinations. Maybe it’s the variant, transmissible but not so fatal? Maybe it’s a combination.
Maybe they’ve already killed the old and not very productive and high maintenance cost burdens.
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
Alternative theory mode. Maybe it’s the vaccinations. Maybe it’s the variant, transmissible but not so fatal? Maybe it’s a combination.
Maybe they’ve already killed the old and not very productive and high maintenance cost burdens.
That is another alternative. How is Indonesia for vaccinations, because both their cases and deaths are heading skywards?
The NRL has decided, apparently unilaterally, to move the third State of Origin game to Brisbane, probably because, well, who wants to go to Newcastle?
And it looks like the Qld govt has nothing to say about it, and Anastacia is serendipitously likely to be in Japan as part of the Olympics bid gravy train when the game happens, so it’ll be someone else’s problem/fault.
As it’s a money-making exercise, NSW fanatics will undoubtedly be allowed in, and bring their germs with them.
Hold on to your hats, Queenslanders, it’s going to get rough.
Probably a moot point, but Gold Coast. Not Brisbane.
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
Alternative theory mode. Maybe it’s the vaccinations. Maybe it’s the variant, transmissible but not so fatal? Maybe it’s a combination.
Maybe they’ve already killed the old and not very productive and high maintenance cost burdens.
There is a strong element of that in the UK figures. The first wave got into care homes through mismanagement and negligence. The re was a high number of deaths in aged care homes last year. But I think the graph is still illustrative of the main point.
The NRL has decided, apparently unilaterally, to move the third State of Origin game to Brisbane, probably because, well, who wants to go to Newcastle?
And it looks like the Qld govt has nothing to say about it, and Anastacia is serendipitously likely to be in Japan as part of the Olympics bid gravy train when the game happens, so it’ll be someone else’s problem/fault.
As it’s a money-making exercise, NSW fanatics will undoubtedly be allowed in, and bring their germs with them.
Hold on to your hats, Queenslanders, it’s going to get rough.
Probably a moot point, but Gold Coast. Not Brisbane.
Hey, if the airport at Wellcamp is designated by the ‘authorities’ as ‘Brisbane West’, then the GC is ‘Brisbane East’. Or South-East. Whatever.
Alternative theory mode. Maybe it’s the vaccinations. Maybe it’s the variant, transmissible but not so fatal? Maybe it’s a combination.
Maybe they’ve already killed the old and not very productive and high maintenance cost burdens.
That is another alternative. How is Indonesia for vaccinations, because both their cases and deaths are heading skywards?
The Indonesian figures are not so illustrative. The number of vaccine doses is probably the wrong measure to have on the Y axis, it should be % of population vaccinated. In the UK about 80% of the population have had one dose, and above 50% for the second. For Indonesia it is less than 10% who have had their first dose. Exact figures are hard to come by.
out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
well at least it’s not the Netherlands
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
My conclusion: There aren’t many unvaccinated people left alive in the UK.
That is another alternative. How is Indonesia for vaccinations, because both their cases and deaths are heading skywards?
Someone in bad faith might interpret the following as “ah so vaccines cause COVID-19 and death”.
UK? Indonesia? Or somewhere else?
Indonesia.
This is where I commented earlier about the Y axis for vaccines should be the % of population vaccinated rather than just plain number of doses. The population of Indonesia is about 270 million, so their 50-odd million doses administered is less than one fifth, and when you consider that two doses are needed you can drop it by half. So compared to the UK the vaccination rate is very low.
I interpret this graph as: Indonesia’s vaccination rate is too low to have the desired impact in reducing the death toll.
Someone in bad faith might interpret the following as “ah so vaccines cause COVID-19 and death”.
UK? Indonesia? Or somewhere else?
Indonesia.
This is where I commented earlier about the Y axis for vaccines should be the % of population vaccinated rather than just plain number of doses. The population of Indonesia is about 270 million, so their 50-odd million doses administered is less than one fifth, and when you consider that two doses are needed you can drop it by half. So compared to the UK the vaccination rate is very low.
I interpret this graph as: Indonesia’s vaccination rate is too low to have the desired impact in reducing the death toll.
Are they delta-ing or have they still got an earlier strain going?
My conclusion: There aren’t many unvaccinated people left alive in the UK.
And people thought that Boris didn’t have a strategy…
He always had a strategy, and current stats suggest that it worked. It was just a strategy that resulted in thousands of deaths per day. Time will tell if the strategy was actually a bad one or not.
This is where I commented earlier about the Y axis for vaccines should be the % of population vaccinated rather than just plain number of doses. The population of Indonesia is about 270 million, so their 50-odd million doses administered is less than one fifth, and when you consider that two doses are needed you can drop it by half. So compared to the UK the vaccination rate is very low.
I interpret this graph as: Indonesia’s vaccination rate is too low to have the desired impact in reducing the death toll.
Are they delta-ing or have they still got an earlier strain going?
I think Delta has become the dominant strain everywhere now, except in South America.
Someone in bad faith might interpret the following as “ah so vaccines cause COVID-19 and death”.
UK? Indonesia? Or somewhere else?
Indonesia.
This is where I commented earlier about the Y axis for vaccines should be the % of population vaccinated rather than just plain number of doses. The population of Indonesia is about 270 million, so their 50-odd million doses administered is less than one fifth, and when you consider that two doses are needed you can drop it by half. So compared to the UK the vaccination rate is very low.
I interpret this graph as: Indonesia’s vaccination rate is too low to have the desired impact in reducing the death toll.
This is where I commented earlier about the Y axis for vaccines should be the % of population vaccinated rather than just plain number of doses. The population of Indonesia is about 270 million, so their 50-odd million doses administered is less than one fifth, and when you consider that two doses are needed you can drop it by half. So compared to the UK the vaccination rate is very low.
I interpret this graph as: Indonesia’s vaccination rate is too low to have the desired impact in reducing the death toll.
Are they delta-ing or have they still got an earlier strain going?
This is where I commented earlier about the Y axis for vaccines should be the % of population vaccinated rather than just plain number of doses. The population of Indonesia is about 270 million, so their 50-odd million doses administered is less than one fifth, and when you consider that two doses are needed you can drop it by half. So compared to the UK the vaccination rate is very low.
I interpret this graph as: Indonesia’s vaccination rate is too low to have the desired impact in reducing the death toll.
Are they delta-ing or have they still got an earlier strain going?
Gladys will probably have a whinge and claim that it is too soon.
We haven’t heard if our friends/neighbours have headed back. If they haven’t, they will need to do the 14 days. We might be doing food drops at their front gate.
Gladys will probably have a whinge and claim that it is too soon.
We haven’t heard if our friends/neighbours have headed back. If they haven’t, they will need to do the 14 days. We might be doing food drops at their front gate.
My Melbourne friend is here taking care of her mother who has had another fall since her first, and is in hospital again. She had to leave her teenaged daughters in Melbourne and has been working from ‘home’. I can’t see that there will be an easy way for her to get back to Melbourne any time soon. Regardless, she tells me that there is no way her mum can live alone again.
We have been catching up for regular walk this past week, and it turns out that the place we usually walk happens to be within a tiny overlapping area of both our 10km radius zones, but I chickened out today.
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
Percentage of the population fully vaccinated by country
Showing percentage of the population in OECD countries that have received two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine. Data unavailable for some countries. Last updated 09/07/2021
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
I mean…
I fuckin’ included URL for the news article on the topic…
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
I mean…
I fuckin’ included URL for the news article on the topic…
and I read the article. not everyone is as level headed as me and not go off half-cocked.
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
I mean…
I fuckin’ included URL for the news article on the topic…
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
I mean…
I fuckin’ included URL for the news article on the topic…
Yeah, but it’s the DM.
Barely a step up from the Weekly World News.
Bugger, all these years I’ve thought WWN was a wrestling franchise.
Mum-: And where did you get that information from, Sharon?
Sharon-: Tara said on the internet, it’s on the internet, Mum.
Mum-: And did you fact check it?
Sharon-: I did Mum, I asked Karen and she goes she goes like she goes it all true and everything.
I mean…
I fuckin’ included URL for the news article on the topic…
and I read the article. not everyone is as level headed as me and not go off half-cocked.
“Unfortunately, we’ve seen a number of cases in people doing essential work at multiple sites and then spreading the disease through work exposure and then those colleagues going home and spreading it to their loved ones,” she said. “We’re really recommending that if you are someone who visits multiple sites, you get tested to make sure you’re negative before you continue working.”
University of NSW infectious diseases expert Mary-Louise McLaws said it was not practical for tradies to keep getting tested. “They (tradies) can’t give up hours standing in line for a test. So they would have to be take-home tests.” Professor McLaws said she had urged the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to approve home tests but the recommendation had so far been refused.
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as you all know we SCIENCE are fucking idiots but it occurs to us that testing could be true or false, it could be quick or slow, but we can’t figure a clear mechanism by which it prevents infection apart from wasting time in queues and locking someone up after they’ve already been infectious
is it possible that there is some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might be more effective than the recommended surgical mask or equivalent protection, which would both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
something which might have some kind of higher filter rating perhaps, which could possibly be made a requirement and also possibly be provided to such essential workers
(also we’ve suggested mass asymptomatic screening tests previously but good luck finding the logistic capability for that)
COVID-19 restrictions are tightening today, with more businesses and organisations needing a QR code to enable staff and customers to check in using the Service New South Wales app.
Organisations and businesses that must now ensure people check in include construction sites, childcare centres, food and drink venues, offices and shopping centres.
Businesses have the right to refuse entry if a person refuses to check in.
I’m surprised that Queensland hasn’t slammed the border shut, but I suppose the NRL won’t allow it.
Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says she is monitoring the escalating COVID-19 situation in Greater Sydney, but will not shut the border with New South Wales “at this stage”.
“A COVID case from NSW was infectious in Victoria, SA earlier this month
The Victorian government says a positive case in Sydney travelled to Victoria and South Australia while infectious on July 8 and 9.
The person is a removalist and was working during the trip. They stayed overnight in Victoria on July 8 and travelled to SA on July 9 before returning to NSW.
The Victorian government expects a number of exposure sites but was only informed by NSW officials late last night.”
NSW records 112 locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday, with 34 of those infectious while in the community.NSW records 112 locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday, with 34 of those infectious while in the community. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-12/nsw-covid-19-update-112-cases/100285698
“Unfortunately, we’ve seen a number of cases in people doing essential work at multiple sites and then spreading the disease through work exposure and then those colleagues going home and spreading it to their loved ones,” she said. “We’re really recommending that if you are someone who visits multiple sites, you get tested to make sure you’re negative before you continue working.”
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as you all know we SCIENCE are fucking idiots but it occurs to us that testing could be true or false, it could be quick or slow, but we can’t figure a clear mechanism by which it prevents infection apart from wasting time in queues and locking someone up after they’ve already been infectious
is it possible that there is some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might be more effective than the recommended surgical mask or equivalent protection, which would both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
something which might have some kind of higher filter rating perhaps, which could possibly be made a requirement and also possibly be provided to such essential workers
“A COVID case from NSW was infectious in Victoria, SA earlier this month
The Victorian government says a positive case in Sydney travelled to Victoria and South Australia while infectious on July 8 and 9.
The person is a removalist and was working during the trip. They stayed overnight in Victoria on July 8 and travelled to SA on July 9 before returning to NSW.
The Victorian government expects a number of exposure sites but was only informed by NSW officials late last night.”
we wonder if there exists some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
“Unfortunately, we’ve seen a number of cases in people doing essential work at multiple sites and then spreading the disease through work exposure and then those colleagues going home and spreading it to their loved ones,” she said. “We’re really recommending that if you are someone who visits multiple sites, you get tested to make sure you’re negative before you continue working.”
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as you all know we SCIENCE are fucking idiots but it occurs to us that testing could be true or false, it could be quick or slow, but we can’t figure a clear mechanism by which it prevents infection apart from wasting time in queues and locking someone up after they’ve already been infectious
is it possible that there is some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might be more effective than the recommended surgical mask or equivalent protection, which would both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
something which might have some kind of higher filter rating perhaps, which could possibly be made a requirement and also possibly be provided to such essential workers
“A COVID case from NSW was infectious in Victoria, SA earlier this month
The Victorian government says a positive case in Sydney travelled to Victoria and South Australia while infectious on July 8 and 9.
The person is a removalist and was working during the trip. They stayed overnight in Victoria on July 8 and travelled to SA on July 9 before returning to NSW.
The Victorian government expects a number of exposure sites but was only informed by NSW officials late last night.”
we wonder if there exists some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
“A COVID case from NSW was infectious in Victoria, SA earlier this month
The Victorian government says a positive case in Sydney travelled to Victoria and South Australia while infectious on July 8 and 9.
The person is a removalist and was working during the trip. They stayed overnight in Victoria on July 8 and travelled to SA on July 9 before returning to NSW.
The Victorian government expects a number of exposure sites but was only informed by NSW officials late last night.”
we wonder if there exists some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
Spacesuit?
Apparently P2 (N95) respirators (masks) are enough for almost all settings but P3 so far have gone clean.
>>The survey results show only 37 per cent of those infected in Jakarta have had symptoms. Almost two-thirds were asymptomatic.<<
Aha so it’s not even a mild head cold, it’s barely a tickle ¡ Lllet Iiit RRRRRRRIP¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
the noise floor of express and ignored symptoms of what ordinarily outside covid 19 situation would be common colds (adenos, rhinos, enteros, non-covid 19 coronas, picorna, RSV, HPIVs, HMPV, influenzas etc) has changed, subject to some repressive and oppressive social forces involving medicalization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold
The common cold is an infection of the upper respiratory tract which can be caused by many different viruses. The most commonly implicated is a rhinovirus (30–80%), a type of picornavirus with 99 known serotypes. Other commonly implicated viruses include human coronaviruses (≈ 15%), influenza viruses (10–15%), adenoviruses (5%), human respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), enteroviruses other than rhinoviruses, human parainfluenza viruses, and human metapneumovirus. Frequently more than one virus is present. In total, more than 200 viral types are associated with colds
NT Health Minister Natasha Fyles says staffing levels at the Howard Springs Quarantine Facility have almost reached 90 per cent.
The government took control of the “gold standard” facility in May, from the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre, which had managed it since the early stages of the pandemic.
Since the takeover, concerns have lingered over the government’s ability to hire the 400 staff needed to run the facility.
But at a press conference in Darwin yesterday, Ms Fyles said “recruitment has gone strongly”.
“The program is going well, and we certainly believe we can comfortably manage the programs that we have got, which is the international repatriation and our domestic, as well as the Australian Olympic teams,” she said.
NT Health Minister Natasha Fyles says staffing levels at the Howard Springs Quarantine Facility have almost reached 90 per cent.
The government took control of the “gold standard” facility in May, from the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Centre, which had managed it since the early stages of the pandemic.
Since the takeover, concerns have lingered over the government’s ability to hire the 400 staff needed to run the facility.
But at a press conference in Darwin yesterday, Ms Fyles said “recruitment has gone strongly”.
“The program is going well, and we certainly believe we can comfortably manage the programs that we have got, which is the international repatriation and our domestic, as well as the Australian Olympic teams,” she said.
Reporting by Roxanne Fitzgerald
They need to stop calling things “gold standard”, it’s a jinx.
you’re right, that booster will be the quicksilver bullet that will stop the pandemic dead, no more breakthrough infections, no more COVID-19, no more masks
Be interesting to see how these claims stand up to scrutiny give Norman Swan’s claims didn’t last too long under questioning in the Senate Committee.
Didn’t last a day.
so it’s 100% consistent with the reported information, that
The bringing forward of millions of Pfizer vaccine doses last week followed a back channels intervention eight days earlier by a high-powered network which included a senior business figure despairing of the government’s failure to secure enough vaccine supplies, and a former prime minister.
The health minister has just blown the Rudd story and the Swan story and their conspiracies out of the water.
Beautiful piece of work.
And you believe the Gunt?
Well the company selling the vaccine, who are presumably receiving a large sum of money in return, say Rudd had nothing to do with it.
Mind you, it is just possible that Rudd was blowing his own trumpet a little.
“Recent media reports suggesting that any third party or individual has had any role in contractual agreements reached between Pfizer and the Australian government are inaccurate,” a Pfizer spokesperson said. “The only two parties involved in these agreements are Pfizer and the Australian government. “
so it’s 100% consistent with the reported information, that
“Dr Bourla indicated that, if it became physically possible to bring forward delivery, he would require a further formal contractual request from the Australian government to that effect. I replied that that was understandable. I added, of course, that would be a matter for the Australian government and that I would pass this on to you.
“Once again, I emphasised to Dr Bourla that this was speculation on my own part, rather than me acting in any way on behalf of the Australian government.
Be interesting to see how these claims stand up to scrutiny give Norman Swan’s claims didn’t last too long under questioning in the Senate Committee.
Didn’t last a day.
When I read the piece last night I thought it was pretty clearly stated that Kevin Rudd was acting in a personal capacity, not representing the government, and that he said that in his letter to ScoMo, didn’t he?
Well the company selling the vaccine, who are presumably receiving a large sum of money in return, say Rudd had nothing to do with it.
Mind you, it is just possible that Rudd was blowing his own trumpet a little.
“Recent media reports suggesting that any third party or individual has had any role in contractual agreements reached between Pfizer and the Australian government are inaccurate,” a Pfizer spokesperson said. “The only two parties involved in these agreements are Pfizer and the Australian government. “
so it’s 100% consistent with the reported information, that
“Dr Bourla indicated that, if it became physically possible to bring forward delivery, he would require a further formal contractual request from the Australian government to that effect. I replied that that was understandable. I added, of course, that would be a matter for the Australian government and that I would pass this on to you.
“Once again, I emphasised to Dr Bourla that this was speculation on my own part, rather than me acting in any way on behalf of the Australian government.
Oh, I was beaten to it. Those sentences are pretty carefully worded, ie no third party in the contractual agreements. Says nothing about any negotiations or pleas for help.
Well the company selling the vaccine, who are presumably receiving a large sum of money in return, say Rudd had nothing to do with it.
Mind you, it is just possible that Rudd was blowing his own trumpet a little.
“Recent media reports suggesting that any third party or individual has had any role in contractual agreements reached between Pfizer and the Australian government are inaccurate,” a Pfizer spokesperson said. “The only two parties involved in these agreements are Pfizer and the Australian government. “
so it’s 100% consistent with the reported information, that
“Dr Bourla indicated that, if it became physically possible to bring forward delivery, he would require a further formal contractual request from the Australian government to that effect. I replied that that was understandable. I added, of course, that would be a matter for the Australian government and that I would pass this on to you.
“Once again, I emphasised to Dr Bourla that this was speculation on my own part, rather than me acting in any way on behalf of the Australian government.
Oh, I was beaten to it. Those sentences are pretty carefully worded, ie no third party in the contractual agreements. Says nothing about any negotiations or pleas for help.
The reaction that PWM is lauding is pure spin by the right-wing press.
“Recent media reports suggesting that any third party or individual has had any role in contractual agreements reached between Pfizer and the Australian government are inaccurate,” a Pfizer spokesperson said. “The only two parties involved in these agreements are Pfizer and the Australian government. “
so it’s 100% consistent with the reported information, that
“Dr Bourla indicated that, if it became physically possible to bring forward delivery, he would require a further formal contractual request from the Australian government to that effect. I replied that that was understandable. I added, of course, that would be a matter for the Australian government and that I would pass this on to you.
“Once again, I emphasised to Dr Bourla that this was speculation on my own part, rather than me acting in any way on behalf of the Australian government.
Oh, I was beaten to it. Those sentences are pretty carefully worded, ie no third party in the contractual agreements. Says nothing about any negotiations or pleas for help.
The reaction that PWM is lauding is pure spin by the right-wing press.
“Recent media reports suggesting that any third party or individual has had any role in contractual agreements reached between Pfizer and the Australian government are inaccurate,” a Pfizer spokesperson said. “The only two parties involved in these agreements are Pfizer and the Australian government. “
so it’s 100% consistent with the reported information, that
“Dr Bourla indicated that, if it became physically possible to bring forward delivery, he would require a further formal contractual request from the Australian government to that effect. I replied that that was understandable. I added, of course, that would be a matter for the Australian government and that I would pass this on to you.
“Once again, I emphasised to Dr Bourla that this was speculation on my own part, rather than me acting in any way on behalf of the Australian government.
Oh, I was beaten to it. Those sentences are pretty carefully worded, ie no third party in the contractual agreements. Says nothing about any negotiations or pleas for help.
The reaction that PWM is lauding is pure spin by the right-wing press.
The South Australian government has announced a 72-year-old woman is believed to have died from the rare blood clotting syndrome linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine.
smoke mirrors and lies, they’re just trying to distract everyone from the Pfizer joke
Easy for them to talk, but these Rudd and Turnbull people should try having to lead the country and see how they like having to live with that responsibility.
out of control now. A few days of a hundred will become a thousand by the end of next week.
well at least it’s not the Netherlands
oh don’t worry the death rate is still at the bottom
For countries in Europe with a decent vaccination rate there has not been much of a spike in deaths to follow the dramatic rise on case numbers, even allowing for the time lag between people catching the disease and death. The UK numbers illustrate this very well – the number of cases are climbing out of control, they now have more daily cases than what they got during their second wave, however the number of deaths is flat-lined and remains so. The vaccines seem to be working IMHO. But the UK are far ahead of us in vaccine rates, even if it was mostly the AZ, it has worked.
Look at the correlation between cases and death rates, before and after the vaccine rollout.
My conclusion: vaccines work bitches!
I already showed that wasn’t the case in all those countries with high vaccination rates. As of a fortnight ago, there’s no correlation between vaccination rate and death rate. Many countries withy high vaccination rates have high death rates. Many countries with low vaccination rates have low death rates.
We can only pray that even higher vaccination rates help. They ought to.
Nicole Lawson spent the beginning of the pandemic incredibly worried about her daughter, who has asthma. Five-year-old Scarlett’s asthma attacks were already landing her in the ER or urgent care every few months. Now a scary new virus was spreading. Respiratory viruses are known triggers of asthma attacks, and doctors also feared at the time that asthma itself could lead to more severe coronavirus infections. So Lawson’s family in Ohio hunkered down quickly and masked up often to keep Scarlett healthy.
The ensuing months, to everyone’s surprise, turned into “this beautiful year,” Lawson told me. Scarlett hasn’t had a single asthma attack. Not a single visit to the ER. Nothing. She’s breathing so much better, and all it took was a global pandemic that completely upended normal life.
All around the country, doctors have spent the pandemic wondering why their patients with asthma were suddenly doing so well. Asthma attacks have plummeted. Pediatric ICUs have sat strangely empty. “We braced ourselves for significant problems for the millions of people living with asthma,” says David Stukus, Scarlett’s doctor at Nationwide Children’s Hospital. “It was the complete opposite. It’s amazing.” (Fears about people with asthma getting more severe COVID-19 infections haven’t been borne out either.) Studies in other countries, including England, Scotland, and South Korea, also found big drops in hospital and doctor’s-office visits for asthma attacks.
NSW is bracing for another day of soaring COVID-19 cases, but the state’s Chief Health Officer says higher case numbers aren’t always a bad sign.
sure Scotty, nice, actually why not just say outright that they’re a good sign, high numbers good, if you don’t test then you have no cases, testing good, high numbers good
“I would say I’m in mixed minds about whether I need to have a larger number tomorrow (Tuesday), obviously in the end I want to see it going down.”
We would say we bet they’re trying to look like genius forecasters each day by giving these little tidbits “early” but based on known figures that they just haven’t released, it’s almost as good as as how we already have access* to 1 year of pandemic information in advance so that’s how we’re calling all those predictions so early and with waiting room jealousy.
*: actually in case sarcasm detection fail we don’t, it’s called prédictive SCIENCE and everyone should learn it
What proportion of people who catch Covid were wearing masks at the time?
1/20
Ta, got a link or source or date for that?
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cdc-study-exposure-idUSKBN2741WF
“85% of people in the study who tested positive for the coronavirus were reported to have worn a mask always or often.”
This study was back in July 2020, and doesn’t comment on whether masks were worn at the time of infection, except that mask removal times when eating and drinking were more commonly associated with catching the virus. There may have been a 50% increase in chance of catching the virus when visiting a restaurant.
For the four colds I caught during lockdown. At the time of infection I was not wearing a mask for three of them, but can’t find a mask-free source for the fourth.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cdc-study-exposure-idUSKBN2741WF
“85% of people in the study who tested positive for the coronavirus were reported to have worn a mask always or often.”
This study was back in July 2020, and doesn’t comment on whether masks were worn at the time of infection, except that mask removal times when eating and drinking were more commonly associated with catching the virus. There may have been a 50% increase in chance of catching the virus when visiting a restaurant.
For the four colds I caught during lockdown. At the time of infection I was not wearing a mask for three of them, but can’t find a mask-free source for the fourth.
yes, masks reduce infection by at least 95% and if you estimate that half of the population wears masks
but well let’s be honest it depends on the prevalence of mask wearing, because if 100% of people wear masks, then 100% of infections are in the masked boom whaddyakno
Two locally acquired COVID cases in Queensland but Premier ‘not worried’
oooooooh…
Queensland has recorded three new cases of COVID-19, including two that were locally acquired, but they are currently in home quarantine and linked to previous cases.
we wonder if there exists some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
Spacesuit?
Apparently P2 (N95) respirators (masks) are enough for almost all settings but P3 so far have gone clean.
NSW’s COVID-19 outbreak has spread to the state’s regions, after a case was detected in Goulburn, about 200km from Sydney. The ABC has been told the person who tested positive is an essential worker who travelled from southern Sydney to Goulburn. The person had been working on the construction of the new Goulburn Hospital.
gee, imagine if there were some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré.
Available data do not show a pattern suggesting a similar increased risk of Guillain-Barré with the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. More than 321 million doses of those vaccines — developed with a technology different from what is used to make the Johnson & Johnson vaccine — have been administered in the United States. Although the available evidence suggests an association between the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and increased risk of Guillain-Barré, “it is insufficient to establish a causal relationship,” the FDA said. Guillain-Barré syndrome usually occurs at a rate of about 60 to 120 cases each week, according to CDC data. While the cause is not fully understood, it often follows infection with a virus, including influenza, or bacteria. Each year in the United States, an estimated 3,000 to 6,000 people develop the illness.
we mean it’s low numbers so hard to be confident but that signal is about double the noise
“With all the allure of airline safety videos, they fly in the face of decades of research on effective advertising. They do little to engage the hesitant.”
I don’t find anything wrong with it. It’s not a particularly strong message, but does it need to be? I really don’t know.
seeing as there is a supply problem people can’t really arm themselves. Plus it doesn’t really counter vaccine hesitancy brought about by mixed messages.
“With all the allure of airline safety videos, they fly in the face of decades of research on effective advertising. They do little to engage the hesitant.”
sibeen said
I don’t find anything wrong with it. It’s not a particularly strong message, but does it need to be? I really don’t know.
me
seeing as there is a supply problem people can’t really arm themselves. Plus it doesn’t really counter vaccine hesitancy brought about by mixed messages.
At least 42 people have been killed and over 60 injured in a fire blamed on an oxygen tank explosion at a coronavirus hospital in Iraq.
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see, what’s this BS about countries running out of oxygen, they have too many tanks of it lying around, think how much 21% of the atmosphere is, the entire world is oxygen, and all of the water is 90% oxygen anyway they should just use that
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
How does your spouse being a physician lower your risk level? In anything I would have thought it would make it a magnitude or so larger.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
Yes, certainly seems tardy.
I think the way we will achieve a strict lockdown here in NSW isn’t by having strict rules in place, but by instilling a fear of leaving the home. Knowing that in the event someone who is Covid-positive has visited the same venue at any time will mean a period of home-isolation, is enough to keep anyone at home in the first place. No strict rules here.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
How does your spouse being a physician lower your risk level? In anything I would have thought it would make it a magnitude or so larger.
It doesn’t. I should have used the word ‘but’, which I corrected in another post. Glad you’ve been paying attention :)
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
How does your spouse being a physician lower your risk level? In anything I would have thought it would make it a magnitude or so larger.
It doesn’t. I should have used the word ‘but’, which I corrected in another post. Glad you’ve been paying attention :)
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
How does your spouse being a physician lower your risk level? In anything I would have thought it would make it a magnitude or so larger.
It doesn’t. I should have used the word ‘but’, which I corrected in another post. Glad you’ve been paying attention :)
Also she is younger than 40, so was not yet eligible otherwise. She told me she is booked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
Speedybooked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
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the geniuses who run this vaccination strategy we swear
but then again it’s probably all Dan’s fault so yeah whatever
Also she is younger than 40, so was not yet eligible otherwise. She told me she is booked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
Also she is younger than 40, so was not yet eligible otherwise. She told me she is booked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
Also she is younger than 40, so was not yet eligible otherwise. She told me she is booked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
‘I got selfish’: Young Sydney residents using ‘secret’ vaccine website to get Pfizer
Last week at the vaccination hub I attended, the lady giving me the shot told me she also lived in my suburb, then when I asked her how her day had been, she told me it had been terrible and then something (which I cannot remember now) that was inappropriate given our relationship up to that point. I went silent as whatever she said was so unexpected, and she went on the clarify that it was such a hard day as too many ineligible people, without appointments, were showing up for a shot and that the staff were having to deal with them. She was really struggling that day :(
How does your spouse being a physician lower your risk level? In anything I would have thought it would make it a magnitude or so larger.
It doesn’t. I should have used the word ‘but’, which I corrected in another post. Glad you’ve been paying attention :)
Also she is younger than 40, so was not yet eligible otherwise. She told me she is booked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
if my husband or friends was a doctor I would be asking them to bring home a vaccine for me… that’s pretty much what my dentist did… his mate is a doctor so he got the vaccine from him.
Also she is younger than 40, so was not yet eligible otherwise. She told me she is booked in for her first shot though, which she obviously was allowed to, but only because her husband is a doctor, not because she is a dentist.
You may remember I chipped a tooth on Saturday. Yesterday afternoon I visited the dentist who simply smoothed off the enamel layer. This morning she phoned me to explain that the day before, on Sunday, she visited a Coles at Fairfield (which is in Sydney’s SW). She has been contacted by tracers, as a Covid-positive case visited that store on the same day, but not at the same time. She needs to self-isolate for 14 days, have a test today, another in a couple of days, then another a couple of days after that. She will let me know if she tests positive.
I am supposed to go and get tested at some time, but seriously if I have somehow caught it, this test could not show up positive today. I will get test tomorrow, I think.
It is disappointing that this dentist told me she has not yet had a vaccine. She is, however, booked in for one as her husband is a doctor, so she was ranked as lower level risk. A dentist whose patients cannot wear masks, at any age, should have been one of the first on the list.
I have been chary of going to Melbourne for some time because of this linkage thing. If I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (and we do have to use accommodation when in Melbourne, most of the time you haven’t been allowed to have people stay over so we couldn’t stay at my brother’s) I could conceivably shut down our whole township here because we visit the bakery, the post office and the little supermarket. And if you didn’t know you’d been to a place of risk until some days later…
‘I got selfish’: Young Sydney residents using ‘secret’ vaccine website to get Pfizer
genius
So how does that work for the second shot? Are these people going to find themselves turned away at that point?
(situation sort of puts the lie to “there is an abundance of supply and people are hesitant” claims yeah)
word on the street is no, reserved 2nd doses are reserved 2nd doses
some people we know in Sydney have suggested that certain vaccination centres do only certain vaccines so booking with them gets you whichever one they have
don’t worry no matter how selfish you think Australians are, there’s even better role models out there
He singled out vaccine makers Pfizer and Moderna as companies that were aiming to provide booster shots in countries where there were already high levels of vaccination. Dr Tedros said they should instead direct their doses to COVAX, the vaccine sharing programme mainly for middle-income and poorer countries. Dr Tedros said the massive disparity in vaccines between rich and poor countries means that “we are making conscious choices right now not to protect those in need”.
Mike Ryan, head of the WHO’s emergencies program, said nations acquiring excess vaccines would look back with shame on their actions. “Right now, we are condemning hundreds of millions of people to having no protection,” Dr Ryan said. “We will look back in anger, and we will look back in shame if countries use precious doses on booster shots, at a time when vulnerable people are still dying without vaccines elsewhere. “These are people who want to have their cake and eat it, and then they want to make some more cake and eat it too.”
we mean the WHO conspiracy of course, nobody gunalissun to them no more, that’s what you get for being CHINA apologists against Trump and the Great Defunders
Fatal flaws in Australia’s hermit nation strategy
Canberra squandered its early Covid victory with a glacial vaccine rollout
One day a rooster, the next a feather duster. That terse reminder that success can be fleeting has long been popular in Australia. For the leaders of the country’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, it has become regrettably apt.
Until now, Australia has enjoyed a glow of global approval for adroitly weathering the crisis with a “Covid-zero” policy of ruthless virus suppression. Having rushed to shut its international borders to non-citizens and non-residents last year, a measure that could stay in place until mid-2022, it deployed an enviable test and tracing system that has helped to keep its total Covid-19 death toll at 910. That is fewer than countries such as the UK have at times recorded in one day. Yet while Australia’s stadiums and restaurants stayed full, and theatregoers thronged to Hamilton, the UK was doing one thing Canberra was too slow to organise: a successful Covid vaccine rollout.
“It’s not a race,” prime minister Scott Morrison insisted in March, as concerns grew about what critics have called a vaccine “strollout”. He was wrong. Having squandered its early victory over the virus, despite being one of the world’s wealthiest countries, Australia now faces a costly round of restrictions as it struggles to protect a largely unimmunised population from outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta variant. Sydney, home to a fifth of the nation’s 25m people, is entering its third week of a lockdown due to stay in place until July 16. Australia now stands as a warning to other nations, not least neighbouring New Zealand, that a fortress approach to the virus cannot succeed in the absence of an effective vaccine programme.
The contrast with Canberra’s newly minted trading partners in the UK could scarcely be more stark. With roughly 50 per cent of Britons fully vaccinated, Boris Johnson, UK prime minister, unveiled plans last week to lift almost all coronavirus restrictions from July 19 in England. Shortly before that in Australia, where just 8 per cent are fully jabbed, Morrison announced the number of people allowed into the country from abroad would be halved to just 3,035 a week.
Johnson’s move was hasty. But Morrison’s approach also has a high price. Estimates of the financial and economic cost vary but the human toll has also been considerable. Thousands of Australians have been stranded abroad since the pandemic began, unable to secure scarce, expensive seats on commercial flights that were limited even before the latest caps were announced. More government repatriation flights are planned to ease the impact of the latest arrival limits. But this will not help those affected by Australia’s highly unusual decision to restrict its own citizens from leaving the country, a step designed to relieve pressure from returning travellers on its quarantine system. That system itself is another sign of complacency. Canberra only belatedly backed the construction of safer, purpose-built quarantine facilities, long after it was clear the virus had spread in hotels converted to house returned travellers.
Australia’s approach has been domestically popular until now. Polls show some three-quarters of the population have backed the border closures. Yet as a panel of experts wrote in a recent report on how the country could reopen, “Australia cannot continue to lock itself off from the world as a hermit nation indefinitely.” The social and economic costs are too large, especially for younger people. The wider lesson for a world facing ever more virus variants, is that glacial vaccine rollouts spell disaster, no matter how rich or hermetically sealed a country may be.
Fatal flaws in Australia’s hermit nation strategy
Canberra squandered its early Covid victory with a glacial vaccine rollout
One day a rooster, the next a feather duster. That terse reminder that success can be fleeting has long been popular in Australia. For the leaders of the country’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, it has become regrettably apt.
Until now, Australia has enjoyed a glow of global approval for adroitly weathering the crisis with a “Covid-zero” policy of ruthless virus suppression. Having rushed to shut its international borders to non-citizens and non-residents last year, a measure that could stay in place until mid-2022, it deployed an enviable test and tracing system that has helped to keep its total Covid-19 death toll at 910. That is fewer than countries such as the UK have at times recorded in one day. Yet while Australia’s stadiums and restaurants stayed full, and theatregoers thronged to Hamilton, the UK was doing one thing Canberra was too slow to organise: a successful Covid vaccine rollout.
“It’s not a race,” prime minister Scott Morrison insisted in March, as concerns grew about what critics have called a vaccine “strollout”. He was wrong. Having squandered its early victory over the virus, despite being one of the world’s wealthiest countries, Australia now faces a costly round of restrictions as it struggles to protect a largely unimmunised population from outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta variant. Sydney, home to a fifth of the nation’s 25m people, is entering its third week of a lockdown due to stay in place until July 16. Australia now stands as a warning to other nations, not least neighbouring New Zealand, that a fortress approach to the virus cannot succeed in the absence of an effective vaccine programme.
The contrast with Canberra’s newly minted trading partners in the UK could scarcely be more stark. With roughly 50 per cent of Britons fully vaccinated, Boris Johnson, UK prime minister, unveiled plans last week to lift almost all coronavirus restrictions from July 19 in England. Shortly before that in Australia, where just 8 per cent are fully jabbed, Morrison announced the number of people allowed into the country from abroad would be halved to just 3,035 a week.
Johnson’s move was hasty. But Morrison’s approach also has a high price. Estimates of the financial and economic cost vary but the human toll has also been considerable. Thousands of Australians have been stranded abroad since the pandemic began, unable to secure scarce, expensive seats on commercial flights that were limited even before the latest caps were announced. More government repatriation flights are planned to ease the impact of the latest arrival limits. But this will not help those affected by Australia’s highly unusual decision to restrict its own citizens from leaving the country, a step designed to relieve pressure from returning travellers on its quarantine system. That system itself is another sign of complacency. Canberra only belatedly backed the construction of safer, purpose-built quarantine facilities, long after it was clear the virus had spread in hotels converted to house returned travellers.
Australia’s approach has been domestically popular until now. Polls show some three-quarters of the population have backed the border closures. Yet as a panel of experts wrote in a recent report on how the country could reopen, “Australia cannot continue to lock itself off from the world as a hermit nation indefinitely.” The social and economic costs are too large, especially for younger people. The wider lesson for a world facing ever more virus variants, is that glacial vaccine rollouts spell disaster, no matter how rich or hermetically sealed a country may be.
Fatal flaws in Australia’s hermit nation strategy
Canberra squandered its early Covid victory with a glacial vaccine rollout
One day a rooster, the next a feather duster. That terse reminder that success can be fleeting has long been popular in Australia. For the leaders of the country’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, it has become regrettably apt.
Until now, Australia has enjoyed a glow of global approval for adroitly weathering the crisis with a “Covid-zero” policy of ruthless virus suppression. Having rushed to shut its international borders to non-citizens and non-residents last year, a measure that could stay in place until mid-2022, it deployed an enviable test and tracing system that has helped to keep its total Covid-19 death toll at 910. That is fewer than countries such as the UK have at times recorded in one day. Yet while Australia’s stadiums and restaurants stayed full, and theatregoers thronged to Hamilton, the UK was doing one thing Canberra was too slow to organise: a successful Covid vaccine rollout.
“It’s not a race,” prime minister Scott Morrison insisted in March, as concerns grew about what critics have called a vaccine “strollout”. He was wrong. Having squandered its early victory over the virus, despite being one of the world’s wealthiest countries, Australia now faces a costly round of restrictions as it struggles to protect a largely unimmunised population from outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta variant. Sydney, home to a fifth of the nation’s 25m people, is entering its third week of a lockdown due to stay in place until July 16. Australia now stands as a warning to other nations, not least neighbouring New Zealand, that a fortress approach to the virus cannot succeed in the absence of an effective vaccine programme.
The contrast with Canberra’s newly minted trading partners in the UK could scarcely be more stark. With roughly 50 per cent of Britons fully vaccinated, Boris Johnson, UK prime minister, unveiled plans last week to lift almost all coronavirus restrictions from July 19 in England. Shortly before that in Australia, where just 8 per cent are fully jabbed, Morrison announced the number of people allowed into the country from abroad would be halved to just 3,035 a week.
Johnson’s move was hasty. But Morrison’s approach also has a high price. Estimates of the financial and economic cost vary but the human toll has also been considerable. Thousands of Australians have been stranded abroad since the pandemic began, unable to secure scarce, expensive seats on commercial flights that were limited even before the latest caps were announced. More government repatriation flights are planned to ease the impact of the latest arrival limits. But this will not help those affected by Australia’s highly unusual decision to restrict its own citizens from leaving the country, a step designed to relieve pressure from returning travellers on its quarantine system. That system itself is another sign of complacency. Canberra only belatedly backed the construction of safer, purpose-built quarantine facilities, long after it was clear the virus had spread in hotels converted to house returned travellers.
Australia’s approach has been domestically popular until now. Polls show some three-quarters of the population have backed the border closures. Yet as a panel of experts wrote in a recent report on how the country could reopen, “Australia cannot continue to lock itself off from the world as a hermit nation indefinitely.” The social and economic costs are too large, especially for younger people. The wider lesson for a world facing ever more virus variants, is that glacial vaccine rollouts spell disaster, no matter how rich or hermetically sealed a country may be.
Fatal flaws in Australia’s hermit nation strategy
Canberra squandered its early Covid victory with a glacial vaccine rollout
One day a rooster, the next a feather duster. That terse reminder that success can be fleeting has long been popular in Australia. For the leaders of the country’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, it has become regrettably apt.
Until now, Australia has enjoyed a glow of global approval for adroitly weathering the crisis with a “Covid-zero” policy of ruthless virus suppression. Having rushed to shut its international borders to non-citizens and non-residents last year, a measure that could stay in place until mid-2022, it deployed an enviable test and tracing system that has helped to keep its total Covid-19 death toll at 910. That is fewer than countries such as the UK have at times recorded in one day. Yet while Australia’s stadiums and restaurants stayed full, and theatregoers thronged to Hamilton, the UK was doing one thing Canberra was too slow to organise: a successful Covid vaccine rollout.
“It’s not a race,” prime minister Scott Morrison insisted in March, as concerns grew about what critics have called a vaccine “strollout”. He was wrong. Having squandered its early victory over the virus, despite being one of the world’s wealthiest countries, Australia now faces a costly round of restrictions as it struggles to protect a largely unimmunised population from outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta variant. Sydney, home to a fifth of the nation’s 25m people, is entering its third week of a lockdown due to stay in place until July 16. Australia now stands as a warning to other nations, not least neighbouring New Zealand, that a fortress approach to the virus cannot succeed in the absence of an effective vaccine programme.
The contrast with Canberra’s newly minted trading partners in the UK could scarcely be more stark. With roughly 50 per cent of Britons fully vaccinated, Boris Johnson, UK prime minister, unveiled plans last week to lift almost all coronavirus restrictions from July 19 in England. Shortly before that in Australia, where just 8 per cent are fully jabbed, Morrison announced the number of people allowed into the country from abroad would be halved to just 3,035 a week.
Johnson’s move was hasty. But Morrison’s approach also has a high price. Estimates of the financial and economic cost vary but the human toll has also been considerable. Thousands of Australians have been stranded abroad since the pandemic began, unable to secure scarce, expensive seats on commercial flights that were limited even before the latest caps were announced. More government repatriation flights are planned to ease the impact of the latest arrival limits. But this will not help those affected by Australia’s highly unusual decision to restrict its own citizens from leaving the country, a step designed to relieve pressure from returning travellers on its quarantine system. That system itself is another sign of complacency. Canberra only belatedly backed the construction of safer, purpose-built quarantine facilities, long after it was clear the virus had spread in hotels converted to house returned travellers.
Australia’s approach has been domestically popular until now. Polls show some three-quarters of the population have backed the border closures. Yet as a panel of experts wrote in a recent report on how the country could reopen, “Australia cannot continue to lock itself off from the world as a hermit nation indefinitely.” The social and economic costs are too large, especially for younger people. The wider lesson for a world facing ever more virus variants, is that glacial vaccine rollouts spell disaster, no matter how rich or hermetically sealed a country may be.
So you could replace Morrison with Ardern and Australia with NZ in the above article and it would ring true.
Dunno, is arden bullshitting as much a morrison and co?
Nah, but NZ’s vaccination rates are lower than ours. They haven’t got it circulating in the community, but it only takes a small slip and ya could be fucked.
Fatal flaws in Australia’s hermit nation strategy
Canberra squandered its early Covid victory with a glacial vaccine rollout
One day a rooster, the next a feather duster. That terse reminder that success can be fleeting has long been popular in Australia. For the leaders of the country’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, it has become regrettably apt.
Until now, Australia has enjoyed a glow of global approval for adroitly weathering the crisis with a “Covid-zero” policy of ruthless virus suppression. Having rushed to shut its international borders to non-citizens and non-residents last year, a measure that could stay in place until mid-2022, it deployed an enviable test and tracing system that has helped to keep its total Covid-19 death toll at 910. That is fewer than countries such as the UK have at times recorded in one day. Yet while Australia’s stadiums and restaurants stayed full, and theatregoers thronged to Hamilton, the UK was doing one thing Canberra was too slow to organise: a successful Covid vaccine rollout.
“It’s not a race,” prime minister Scott Morrison insisted in March, as concerns grew about what critics have called a vaccine “strollout”. He was wrong. Having squandered its early victory over the virus, despite being one of the world’s wealthiest countries, Australia now faces a costly round of restrictions as it struggles to protect a largely unimmunised population from outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta variant. Sydney, home to a fifth of the nation’s 25m people, is entering its third week of a lockdown due to stay in place until July 16. Australia now stands as a warning to other nations, not least neighbouring New Zealand, that a fortress approach to the virus cannot succeed in the absence of an effective vaccine programme.
The contrast with Canberra’s newly minted trading partners in the UK could scarcely be more stark. With roughly 50 per cent of Britons fully vaccinated, Boris Johnson, UK prime minister, unveiled plans last week to lift almost all coronavirus restrictions from July 19 in England. Shortly before that in Australia, where just 8 per cent are fully jabbed, Morrison announced the number of people allowed into the country from abroad would be halved to just 3,035 a week.
Johnson’s move was hasty. But Morrison’s approach also has a high price. Estimates of the financial and economic cost vary but the human toll has also been considerable. Thousands of Australians have been stranded abroad since the pandemic began, unable to secure scarce, expensive seats on commercial flights that were limited even before the latest caps were announced. More government repatriation flights are planned to ease the impact of the latest arrival limits. But this will not help those affected by Australia’s highly unusual decision to restrict its own citizens from leaving the country, a step designed to relieve pressure from returning travellers on its quarantine system. That system itself is another sign of complacency. Canberra only belatedly backed the construction of safer, purpose-built quarantine facilities, long after it was clear the virus had spread in hotels converted to house returned travellers.
Australia’s approach has been domestically popular until now. Polls show some three-quarters of the population have backed the border closures. Yet as a panel of experts wrote in a recent report on how the country could reopen, “Australia cannot continue to lock itself off from the world as a hermit nation indefinitely.” The social and economic costs are too large, especially for younger people. The wider lesson for a world facing ever more virus variants, is that glacial vaccine rollouts spell disaster, no matter how rich or hermetically sealed a country may be.
So you could replace Morrison with Ardern and Australia with NZ in the above article and it would ring true.
Dunno, is arden bullshitting as much a morrison and co?
Nah, but NZ’s vaccination rates are lower than ours. They haven’t got it circulating in the community, but it only takes a small slip and ya could be fucked.
are they?
NZ fully vaxxed 10.2%
aus ditto 9.1%
I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?
Dunno, is arden bullshitting as much a morrison and co?
Nah, but NZ’s vaccination rates are lower than ours. They haven’t got it circulating in the community, but it only takes a small slip and ya could be fucked.
are they?
NZ fully vaxxed 10.2%
aus ditto 9.1%
I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?
Have a look at the first dose rates, they lag well behind.
Nah, but NZ’s vaccination rates are lower than ours. They haven’t got it circulating in the community, but it only takes a small slip and ya could be fucked.
are they?
NZ fully vaxxed 10.2%
aus ditto 9.1%
I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?
Have a look at the first dose rates, they lag well behind.
but they are ahead on fully vaxxed. I am content with that.
“I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?”
Being a large country makes vaccination programs easier. Greater capacity to drive a bargain with suppliers, greater diversity of expertise, greater economy of scale.
“I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?”
Being a large country makes vaccination programs easier. Greater capacity to drive a bargain with suppliers, greater diversity of expertise, greater economy of scale.
I was meaning that distribution would be easier in a small country and with a smaller population 10% isn’t a biggie.
“I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?”
Being a large country makes vaccination programs easier. Greater capacity to drive a bargain with suppliers, greater diversity of expertise, greater economy of scale.
As you pointed out with a graph, the countries with the best performances at tackling the pandemic like South Korea, Australia and NZ are at the bottom of the OECD vaccine roll out numbers.
There’s probably a reason for that.
“I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?”
Being a large country makes vaccination programs easier. Greater capacity to drive a bargain with suppliers, greater diversity of expertise, greater economy of scale.
As you pointed out with a graph, the countries with the best performances at tackling the pandemic like South Korea, Australia and NZ are at the bottom of the OECD vaccine roll out numbers.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Lack of urgency because there aren’t thousands carking it…
Covid is no more than a nuisance in Australia and NZ, not a crisis.
“I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?”
Being a large country makes vaccination programs easier. Greater capacity to drive a bargain with suppliers, greater diversity of expertise, greater economy of scale.
As you pointed out with a graph, the countries with the best performances at tackling the pandemic like South Korea, Australia and NZ are at the bottom of the OECD vaccine roll out numbers.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Lack of urgency because there aren’t thousands carking it…
Covid is no more than a nuisance in Australia and NZ, not a crisis.
anyway with all this comparison it makes it sound like there is some competition, a race if you will.
“I guess you can argue that NZ is smaller with a smaller population etc etc. If that is going to be the case then why compare in the first place?”
Being a large country makes vaccination programs easier. Greater capacity to drive a bargain with suppliers, greater diversity of expertise, greater economy of scale.
As you pointed out with a graph, the countries with the best performances at tackling the pandemic like South Korea, Australia and NZ are at the bottom of the OECD vaccine roll out numbers.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Lack of urgency because there aren’t thousands carking it…
Covid is no more than a nuisance in Australia and NZ, not a crisis.
As you pointed out with a graph, the countries with the best performances at tackling the pandemic like South Korea, Australia and NZ are at the bottom of the OECD vaccine roll out numbers.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Lack of urgency because there aren’t thousands carking it…
Covid is no more than a nuisance in Australia and NZ, not a crisis.
As you pointed out with a graph, the countries with the best performances at tackling the pandemic like South Korea, Australia and NZ are at the bottom of the OECD vaccine roll out numbers.
There’s probably a reason for that.
Lack of urgency because there aren’t thousands carking it…
Covid is no more than a nuisance in Australia and NZ, not a crisis.
Sikh Volunteers Australia deliver fresh cooked meals for apartment complex locked down by COVID
Community volunteers are providing support for hundreds of residents living in lockdown at an apartment complex in Melbourne’s north-west.
Authorities ordered residents of the Maribyrnong apartments to isolate for 14 days after two infectious removalists from Sydney visited the complex last week.
So far, none of the residents have tested positive for COVID-19.
Sikh Volunteers Australia Secretary Jaswinder Singh told ABC Radio Melbourne his group will deliver freshly cooked vegetarian meals every night for the residents in isolation.
“They are in the lockdown to preserve the spread of this virus to the whole of the community, and they need support and this is what we can provide and that’s why we do it,” Mr Singh said.
Sikh Volunteers Australia deliver fresh cooked meals for apartment complex locked down by COVID
Community volunteers are providing support for hundreds of residents living in lockdown at an apartment complex in Melbourne’s north-west.
Authorities ordered residents of the Maribyrnong apartments to isolate for 14 days after two infectious removalists from Sydney visited the complex last week.
So far, none of the residents have tested positive for COVID-19.
Sikh Volunteers Australia Secretary Jaswinder Singh told ABC Radio Melbourne his group will deliver freshly cooked vegetarian meals every night for the residents in isolation.
“They are in the lockdown to preserve the spread of this virus to the whole of the community, and they need support and this is what we can provide and that’s why we do it,” Mr Singh said.
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Yum.
This is the kind of support those who have been ordered to isolate must receive, and not from charity organisations, but from the authorities. When you look closely at what people who fear an imminent period of isolation are doing, they almost always stop for groceries before head back home.
Sikh Volunteers Australia deliver fresh cooked meals for apartment complex locked down by COVID
Community volunteers are providing support for hundreds of residents living in lockdown at an apartment complex in Melbourne’s north-west.
Authorities ordered residents of the Maribyrnong apartments to isolate for 14 days after two infectious removalists from Sydney visited the complex last week.
So far, none of the residents have tested positive for COVID-19.
Sikh Volunteers Australia Secretary Jaswinder Singh told ABC Radio Melbourne his group will deliver freshly cooked vegetarian meals every night for the residents in isolation.
“They are in the lockdown to preserve the spread of this virus to the whole of the community, and they need support and this is what we can provide and that’s why we do it,” Mr Singh said.
—————————————————————————————
Yum.
This is the kind of support those who have been ordered to isolate must receive, and not from charity organisations, but from the authorities. When you look closely at what people who fear an imminent period of isolation are doing, they almost always stop for groceries before head back home.
can you imagine the meals if left to the authorities?
Sikh Volunteers Australia deliver fresh cooked meals for apartment complex locked down by COVID
Community volunteers are providing support for hundreds of residents living in lockdown at an apartment complex in Melbourne’s north-west.
Authorities ordered residents of the Maribyrnong apartments to isolate for 14 days after two infectious removalists from Sydney visited the complex last week.
So far, none of the residents have tested positive for COVID-19.
Sikh Volunteers Australia Secretary Jaswinder Singh told ABC Radio Melbourne his group will deliver freshly cooked vegetarian meals every night for the residents in isolation.
“They are in the lockdown to preserve the spread of this virus to the whole of the community, and they need support and this is what we can provide and that’s why we do it,” Mr Singh said.
—————————————————————————————
Yum.
This is the kind of support those who have been ordered to isolate must receive, and not from charity organisations, but from the authorities. When you look closely at what people who fear an imminent period of isolation are doing, they almost always stop for groceries before head back home.
can you imagine the meals if left to the authorities?
Haha. Yes, but it’s not really what I meant. When people are contacted and told to test and isolate, they MUST be supported. If this means that they are assured that their needs will be met, for example, that an urgent delivery of groceries can be made before the end of day, it would go a long way to ensuring these people don’t make that mad dash to the shops.
…speaking of which, it seems that that Coles Fairfield exposure site that I think my dentist visited is an unusual one. They are now saying that anyone who visited in a 3 day period is considered a close contact. How can that even happen? I am hoping that since my dentist is a dentist, she knows how to wear a facemask properly.
This is the kind of support those who have been ordered to isolate must receive, and not from charity organisations, but from the authorities. When you look closely at what people who fear an imminent period of isolation are doing, they almost always stop for groceries before head back home.
can you imagine the meals if left to the authorities?
Haha. Yes, but it’s not really what I meant. When people are contacted and told to test and isolate, they MUST be supported. If this means that they are assured that their needs will be met, for example, that an urgent delivery of groceries can be made before the end of day, it would go a long way to ensuring these people don’t make that mad dash to the shops.
Yeah, I realise that. :-)
maybe if there is a local register of groups, ethnic and otherwise, that the authorities can contact to do this. We at CHC did this sort of thing but just for our clients in the local area. We collected a shopping list and payment method and did a shop.
…speaking of which, it seems that that Coles Fairfield exposure site that I think my dentist visited is an unusual one. They are now saying that anyone who visited in a 3 day period is considered a close contact. How can that even happen? I am hoping that since my dentist is a dentist, she knows how to wear a facemask properly.
It’s aerosols, the infectious mode that happens only in areas with high densities of ASIANS (hence also why masks only work in ASIAN countries).
can you imagine the meals if left to the authorities?
Haha. Yes, but it’s not really what I meant. When people are contacted and told to test and isolate, they MUST be supported. If this means that they are assured that their needs will be met, for example, that an urgent delivery of groceries can be made before the end of day, it would go a long way to ensuring these people don’t make that mad dash to the shops.
Yeah, I realise that. :-)
maybe if there is a local register of groups, ethnic and otherwise, that the authorities can contact to do this. We at CHC did this sort of thing but just for our clients in the local area. We collected a shopping list and payment method and did a shop.
Too little too late?
The feds provide more support, but the delay has made this lockdown longer and more expensive
Who’s Gladys taking public health advice from? Medical or Business?
The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExkfAlICSVE
so we’re thinking maybe a system where authorities can require compliance with public health measures, and the economy is planned, might do well in such settings as a pandemic
Mr Frydenberg hit back at the accusation of double standards, saying people were sick of the “whingeing” from Mr Andrews.
He claimed that any time anyone challenged the Victorian Premier it caused a torrent of abuse online from “bots and Trots” loyal to Mr Andrews, referencing the Trotskyist branch of Marxist political theory.
The Royal Adelaide Hospital (RAH) and Queen Elizabeth Hospital (QEH) implemented code yellow alerts in response to the increased demand.
All non-clinical, non-essential activities were also ordered to be rescheduled for 48 hours from the time of the email to allow clinicians to focus on “patients, interventions and flow”.
If the government just had the guts to kill off the old weak vulnerable then there would only be healthy people left who don’t overburden the healthcare system, and we could save lots of money for The Economy Must Grow.
and uh before we go we need to correct
the record last week we hoed into the
abc
and west australian for stories linking
the death of a perth woman
who did not have a blood clot to the
astrazeneca vaccine
the tga is still investigating but now
believes the woman’s death was
likely linked to the vaccine due to a
very rare blood disorder
which can cause excessive bleeding our
apologies to the abc and west australian
and our sympathies to the family that’s
interestingly the deteriorating world situation has now caused a burst of imported cases in places like NZ
Yes, it has. Quarantine all around the world (except for China) is leaking like a sieve.
Update on world quarantine situation.
Seychelles, Barhrain, Uruguay, Chile and Mongolia have until recently had the combination of high vaccination rate and high covid death rate.
Namibia, Paraguay and Bosnia have had the combination of low vaccination rate and high death rate.
Update on covid deaths. Paraguay has dropped down to fourth worst in the world, behind Namibia, Tunisia and Colombia.
interestingly the deteriorating world situation has now caused a burst of imported cases in places like NZ
Yes, it has. Quarantine all around the world (except for China) is leaking like a sieve.
Update on world quarantine situation.
Seychelles, Barhrain, Uruguay, Chile and Mongolia have until recently had the combination of high vaccination rate and high covid death rate.
Namibia, Paraguay and Bosnia have had the combination of low vaccination rate and high death rate.
Update on covid deaths. Paraguay has dropped down to fourth worst in the world, behind Namibia, Tunisia and Colombia.
I am still stalking Sweden. I haven’t looked up their vaccination levels. But their cases per day seems to have leveled out and deaths per day are well down and staying there. Also, from skimming news pieces, I think they are about to open borders to some other parts of Europe. And on the deaths per million table they have slipped down to 36th place. Tunisia is trying to overtake them.
tell you what, you can accuse ASIAN migrants of all sorts of illegal activity like living with family and meeting associates for work but when you ask them to do take one swab every three days for the team, apparently they’ll take many the greedy bastards
tell you what, you can accuse ASIAN migrants of all sorts of illegal activity like living with family and meeting associates for work but when you ask them to do take one swab every three days for the team, apparently they’ll take many the greedy bastards
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
He is so good at look over there while I steal your lunch.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
IHTSMAMAA
But doesn’t what he says have at least an element of truth to it?
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
IHTSMAMAA
But doesn’t what he says have at least an element of truth to it?
(Even if it isn’t the whole story).
Why soesn’t he just say, “I backed the wrong horse, give me a couple of billion each way on the Pfizer”?
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
IHTSMAMAA
But doesn’t what he says have at least an element of truth to it?
(Even if it isn’t the whole story).
Why soesn’t he just say, “I backed the wrong horse, give me a couple of billion each way on the Pfizer”?
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
He is so good at look over there while I steal your lunch.
Scott Morrison says the Victoria lockdown was a different situation to Sydney
Victoria’s Premier has accused the federal government of having double standards
Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has labelled the Premier’s comments as “childish”
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
He is so good at look over there while I steal your lunch.
Scott Morrison says the Victoria lockdown was a different situation to Sydney
Victoria’s Premier has accused the federal government of having double standards
Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has labelled the Premier’s comments as “childish”
I saw that. I thought the Victorian pollies were, in a roundabout way, saying…NSW should thank us that we kicked up a stink and got something. Because now you benefit.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
IHTSMAMAA
But doesn’t what he says have at least an element of truth to it?
(Even if it isn’t the whole story).
Either this whole statement is false, or it’s all CHINA’s fault ¡¡¡¡¡
TRUTH: I know ATAGI was very cautious TRUTH: it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program BULLSHIT: “It” (meaning ATAGI and definitely not me (no way, not I)) slowed it considerably TRUTH: put us behind TRUTH: we wish that wasn’t the result but it was
It’s like hiding meds in the dogs’ treats. When they’re scoffing them down they don’t realise they’ve been tricked.
I just had my, I think third, Covid test. It was as bad as everyone complains about, and is the first time I just went to the nearest testing place. If I need another, I will drive out to Laverty North Ryde again. Theirs are painless in comparison.
I just had my, I think third, Covid test. It was as bad as everyone complains about, and is the first time I just went to the nearest testing place. If I need another, I will drive out to Laverty North Ryde again. Theirs are painless in comparison.
I just had my, I think third, Covid test. It was as bad as everyone complains about, and is the first time I just went to the nearest testing place. If I need another, I will drive out to Laverty North Ryde again. Theirs are painless in comparison.
I just had my, I think third, Covid test. It was as bad as everyone complains about, and is the first time I just went to the nearest testing place. If I need another, I will drive out to Laverty North Ryde again. Theirs are painless in comparison.
I just had my, I think third, Covid test. It was as bad as everyone complains about, and is the first time I just went to the nearest testing place. If I need another, I will drive out to Laverty North Ryde again. Theirs are painless in comparison.
Were they a bit rough?
The probe thing seemed sharper, and to top it off, she jiggled it around. It took me a minute-or-so to recover, during which she offered me a tissue as I was looking around inside my car for one. I declined her offer, as I preferred to drive out with streaming eyes than to use that tissue which had been sitting in the Covid testing place for days. She then did the other nostril, which was just as bad.
I just had my, I think third, Covid test. It was as bad as everyone complains about, and is the first time I just went to the nearest testing place. If I need another, I will drive out to Laverty North Ryde again. Theirs are painless in comparison.
Were they a bit rough?
The probe thing seemed sharper, and to top it off, she jiggled it around. It took me a minute-or-so to recover, during which she offered me a tissue as I was looking around inside my car for one. I declined her offer, as I preferred to drive out with streaming eyes than to use that tissue which had been sitting in the Covid testing place for days. She then did the other nostril, which was just as bad.
Is it usual to do both nostrils? (I’ve never had the test)
TRUTH: I know ATAGI was very cautious TRUTH: it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program BULLSHIT: “It” (meaning ATAGI and definitely not me (no way, not I)) slowed it considerably TRUTH: put us behind TRUTH: we wish that wasn’t the result but it was
It’s like hiding meds in the dogs’ treats. When they’re scoffing them down they don’t realise they’ve been tricked.
^
and then more to the point, the necessary AND sufficient part of the causal chain, id est
The probe thing seemed sharper, and to top it off, she jiggled it around. It took me a minute-or-so to recover, during which she offered me a tissue as I was looking around inside my car for one. I declined her offer, as I preferred to drive out with streaming eyes than to use that tissue which had been sitting in the Covid testing place for days. She then did the other nostril, which was just as bad.
Is it usual to do both nostrils? (I’ve never had the test)
Yes, and they use the same probe which is disgusting. The first time I had a test they also swabbed the throat, but I don’t think they do that anymore.
In early April, 2021, Patient 0a, a man with no comorbidities, and Patient 0b, a woman with diabetes, travelled from India to attend a wedding in Texas (designated 0a and 0b due to difficulty establishing true patient 0). Both tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 by qPCR as part of the pre-flight criteria. Formal wedding events were held outdoors and in a large open-air tent and attendance required full vaccination (Patient 0a and 0b travelled to Houston 10 days after their second doses of Covaxin BBV152, Table 1). Patients 1-5 confirmed having close encounters with Patient 0a and 0b at the wedding. Events were attended by fewer than 100 guests.
A month after the wedding, Patient 0a died from complications of COVID-19. Four other guests have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 following confirmed interactions with Patient 0a and 0b. All positive patients received Pfizer BNT162b2, Moderna mRNA-1273, or Covaxin BBV152 (Table 1). Six of these have experienced symptoms of COVID-19 (Table 1). Patient 1, who received the Pfizer BNT162b2 vaccine developed severe symptoms and was admitted to Baylor St. Luke’s hospital for monoclonal antibody infusion treatment (Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.) on ten days after the wedding. The density of vaccine breakthrough resulting in COVID-19 symptoms suggested the patients were carrying a SARS-CoV-2 variant.
they PRESUMED “the patients were carrying a SARS-CoV-2 variant”, and
“patients received Pfizer BNT162b2, Moderna mRNA-1273, or Covaxin BBV152” but not AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-S which is therefore obviously the far better vaccine
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
Supply problems here, and where MV is. So probably at other places too.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
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Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
the other half are Labor voters
There may be some who, like me, have medical reasons for not being vaccinated. The older people get the more illnesses they accumulate.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
Supply problems here, and where MV is. So probably at other places too.
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
Supply problems here, and where MV is. So probably at other places too.
Haven’t we had a million AZ doses a week for months now?
The Prime Minister says it was the decision to change the safety advice for AstraZeneca that slowed the COVID vaccine rollout and put Australia behind.
AstraZeneca was going to be the backbone of the nationwide rollout, but ATAGI last month recommended it only be used for people over 60 because of a rare blood clotting disorder linked to the jab.
That decision of course threw the rollout into disarray and left Australia heavily reliant on the overseas-made Pfizer vaccine.
Scott Morrison has told Nine radio ATAGI’s safety advice was very conservative.
“I know ATAGI was very cautious, it had a massive impact on the rollout of the vaccine program,” he said in the interview.
“It slowed it considerably, it put us behind, and we wish that wasn’t the result but it was.”
—————————————————————————————————————
Not my fault!!
If AZ is perfectly fine for over 60s why are only half of them still unvaccinated. It’s been 2 months.
Supply problems here, and where MV is. So probably at other places too.
Supply problems here, and where MV is. So probably at other places too.
Haven’t we had a million AZ doses a week for months now?
Dunno. Must have been in the cities. Our vaccination clinics and GPs are stop/start/stop/start/stop/start and have been for months.
I just checked. The Hamilton Clinic is doing vax (Astra-Zeneca) on 20th and 23rd July. There are appointments available. I got mine at the Hamilton Family Practice where as a patient of the practice you go on the list and the receptionist phones you when they’ve got the stuff. I’m not due for the second dose until September though. Mr buffy is due his second dose in August. I presume they will phone us sooner if they’ve got supplies.
Haven’t we had a million AZ doses a week for months now?
Dunno. Must have been in the cities. Our vaccination clinics and GPs are stop/start/stop/start/stop/start and have been for months.
I just checked. The Hamilton Clinic is doing vax (Astra-Zeneca) on 20th and 23rd July. There are appointments available. I got mine at the Hamilton Family Practice where as a patient of the practice you go on the list and the receptionist phones you when they’ve got the stuff. I’m not due for the second dose until September though. Mr buffy is due his second dose in August. I presume they will phone us sooner if they’ve got supplies.
This is the thing, being able to plan and change plans. These appointments for the second jab were made and now we are being told to shorten that time space but how do the clinics manage to alter the plans? Particularly if the supply isn’t ramped up to meet the new conditions?
Dunno. Must have been in the cities. Our vaccination clinics and GPs are stop/start/stop/start/stop/start and have been for months.
I just checked. The Hamilton Clinic is doing vax (Astra-Zeneca) on 20th and 23rd July. There are appointments available. I got mine at the Hamilton Family Practice where as a patient of the practice you go on the list and the receptionist phones you when they’ve got the stuff. I’m not due for the second dose until September though. Mr buffy is due his second dose in August. I presume they will phone us sooner if they’ve got supplies.
This is the thing, being able to plan and change plans. These appointments for the second jab were made and now we are being told to shorten that time space but how do the clinics manage to alter the plans? Particularly if the supply isn’t ramped up to meet the new conditions?
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
I just checked. The Hamilton Clinic is doing vax (Astra-Zeneca) on 20th and 23rd July. There are appointments available. I got mine at the Hamilton Family Practice where as a patient of the practice you go on the list and the receptionist phones you when they’ve got the stuff. I’m not due for the second dose until September though. Mr buffy is due his second dose in August. I presume they will phone us sooner if they’ve got supplies.
This is the thing, being able to plan and change plans. These appointments for the second jab were made and now we are being told to shorten that time space but how do the clinics manage to alter the plans? Particularly if the supply isn’t ramped up to meet the new conditions?
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
That does sound difficult. My surgery booked the appointments when the first shot was done. So it runs rather smoothly here.
I just checked. The Hamilton Clinic is doing vax (Astra-Zeneca) on 20th and 23rd July. There are appointments available. I got mine at the Hamilton Family Practice where as a patient of the practice you go on the list and the receptionist phones you when they’ve got the stuff. I’m not due for the second dose until September though. Mr buffy is due his second dose in August. I presume they will phone us sooner if they’ve got supplies.
This is the thing, being able to plan and change plans. These appointments for the second jab were made and now we are being told to shorten that time space but how do the clinics manage to alter the plans? Particularly if the supply isn’t ramped up to meet the new conditions?
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
This is the thing, being able to plan and change plans. These appointments for the second jab were made and now we are being told to shorten that time space but how do the clinics manage to alter the plans? Particularly if the supply isn’t ramped up to meet the new conditions?
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
The COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) can be stored at between +2° to +8°C for up to 6 months.
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
The COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) can be stored at between +2° to +8°C for up to 6 months.
Thanks.
My query was related to possible supply chain problems related to on again, off again, events.
As I understand it from the practice staff, it’s not like they can stock up, they apparently get what they get when they get it and mostly don’t know when it will be.
This is the thing, being able to plan and change plans. These appointments for the second jab were made and now we are being told to shorten that time space but how do the clinics manage to alter the plans? Particularly if the supply isn’t ramped up to meet the new conditions?
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
Here’s the thing. My understanding is that whenever and appt is made for the first shot, stock for both the first and second vaccine must be set aside for that patient. Everyone I know who has made and appt for a vaccine had the second appt made at the same time.
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
Here’s the thing. My understanding is that whenever and appt is made for the first shot, stock for both the first and second vaccine must be set aside for that patient. Everyone I know who has made and appt for a vaccine had the second appt made at the same time.
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
Here’s the thing. My understanding is that whenever and appt is made for the first shot, stock for both the first and second vaccine must be set aside for that patient. Everyone I know who has made and appt for a vaccine had the second appt made at the same time.
Berejiklian: “Our decisions are always based on health advice. I have as many people telling us we went too early as saying we went too late.
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I wonder what idiot is still saying they went too early? Or is she perhaps telling a porky about that?
Not actually a porky, but a masterful delivery.
TRUTH: Our decisions are always based on health advice TRUTH: I have as many people telling us we went too early as saying we went too late* TRUTH: Our job as government is to make decisions based on health advice and data and that is what we will continue to do
’as many people’ are not health advisors, but include gym owners, removalists and Jim from Jim’s Mowing.
We don’t have appointments made. We will be contacted at the appropriate time by the practice. I suspect they were suspicious of supply so didn’t make a firm time because they don’t know if they will have the stuff on particular dates. It’s been very difficult for them.
Do these vaccines have a relatively short shelf life?
Here’s the thing. My understanding is that whenever and appt is made for the first shot, stock for both the first and second vaccine must be set aside for that patient. Everyone I know who has made and appt for a vaccine had the second appt made at the same time.
We went early. At that time the Family Clinic was getting only 50 or less at a time and it was irregular deliveries. It wasn’t every week. Perhaps they just went with – we’ll get as many done with first jabs and hope the supply gets better.
Berejiklian: “Our decisions are always based on health advice. I have as many people telling us we went too early as saying we went too late.
Our job as government is to make decisions based on health advice and data and that is what we will continue to do.”
I wonder what idiot is still saying they went too early? Or is she perhaps telling a porky about that?
The usual suspects on Sky News at night are still anti-lockdown.
Just went and looked it up:
In August 2018, coverage of the Liberal Party of Australia leadership spill, 2018 saw Sky News gain its highest Tuesday primetime audience ever with a 4.2% audience share. Speers, Credlin and Jones & Co all had their highest-rated episodes on record
So 4.2% audience share at their peak. Sounds about right :)
wait is there a difference between the first and second shot? or is it the same just a booster thing
Same.
oh.. I am trying to think of an easy solution, but even if its the same, with supply and demand being so volatile, limited shelf life and individual calendar changes it’s got to be a logistical nightmare..
wait is there a difference between the first and second shot? or is it the same just a booster thing
Same.
oh.. I am trying to think of an easy solution, but even if its the same, with supply and demand being so volatile, limited shelf life and individual calendar changes it’s got to be a logistical nightmare..
If the ramshackle US health care system can manage it but we can’t something is seriously wrong.
Why are NSW disrupting the trucking? I don’t recall this happening in any other states.
Maybe back then, they were essential workers.
They are being turned back if they have been to the wrong areas?
Even when Melbourne had the ring of steel, the trucks went through. As far as I know. And you can’t just stop delivering to the supermarkets West of Sydney.
Why are NSW disrupting the trucking? I don’t recall this happening in any other states.
Maybe back then, they were essential workers.
They are being turned back if they have been to the wrong areas?
Even when Melbourne had the ring of steel, the trucks went through. As far as I know. And you can’t just stop delivering to the supermarkets West of Sydney.
Well, three days and all the supermarket shelves would be empty.
They are being turned back if they have been to the wrong areas?
Even when Melbourne had the ring of steel, the trucks went through. As far as I know. And you can’t just stop delivering to the supermarkets West of Sydney.
Well, three days and all the supermarket shelves would be empty.
Just reading the headline (as is the forum way):
They aren’t talking about totally blocking trucks are they?
The truckies are just worried about losing a little bit of their income.
Even when Melbourne had the ring of steel, the trucks went through. As far as I know. And you can’t just stop delivering to the supermarkets West of Sydney.
Well, three days and all the supermarket shelves would be empty.
Just reading the headline (as is the forum way):
They aren’t talking about totally blocking trucks are they?
The truckies are just worried about losing a little bit of their income.
Even when Melbourne had the ring of steel, the trucks went through. As far as I know. And you can’t just stop delivering to the supermarkets West of Sydney.
Well, three days and all the supermarket shelves would be empty.
Just reading the headline (as is the forum way):
They aren’t talking about totally blocking trucks are they?
The truckies are just worried about losing a little bit of their income.
And having to spend hours in queues for testing every three days. Disruptive to supply and to income. They have also (anecdotally) been told not to use service station facilities. The headline is not very good on that one.
Well, three days and all the supermarket shelves would be empty.
Just reading the headline (as is the forum way):
They aren’t talking about totally blocking trucks are they?
The truckies are just worried about losing a little bit of their income.
And having to spend hours in queues for testing every three days. Disruptive to supply and to income. They have also (anecdotally) been told not to use service station facilities. The headline is not very good on that one.
To keep the food and other essential services flowing, they should go through their own checkpoints. At start and end of each journey.
“This is clearly a very rapidly moving situation, and we are very keen to make sure we get a very firm grip on this as soon as we possibly can,” he said. The seven new cases announced today will be officially reported tomorrow.
Mr Weimar said it had now been confirmed the removalists travelled to Victoria in two vehicles and the men were not forthcoming with information about their movements. “Books will be thrown when it’s time, when it’s appropriate to throw them,” he said. “I’m exceptionally frustrated at the pace and transparency of the information coming from the removalists’ exposure, that’s been a real matter of concern.”
They aren’t talking about totally blocking trucks are they?
The truckies are just worried about losing a little bit of their income.
And having to spend hours in queues for testing every three days. Disruptive to supply and to income. They have also (anecdotally) been told not to use service station facilities. The headline is not very good on that one.
To keep the food and other essential services flowing, they should go through their own checkpoints. At start and end of each journey.
Just seems a bit odd to me we have simultaneous comment on the transmission of the virus to Victoria by removalist truckies, along with regular testing of truckies being an excessive infringement of their rights.
“This is clearly a very rapidly moving situation, and we are very keen to make sure we get a very firm grip on this as soon as we possibly can,” he said. The seven new cases announced today will be officially reported tomorrow.
Mr Weimar said it had now been confirmed the removalists travelled to Victoria in two vehicles and the men were not forthcoming with information about their movements. “Books will be thrown when it’s time, when it’s appropriate to throw them,” he said. “I’m exceptionally frustrated at the pace and transparency of the information coming from the removalists’ exposure, that’s been a real matter of concern.”
Looks like senior sprog will have more work that she can wave an extra long cotton bud at.
And having to spend hours in queues for testing every three days. Disruptive to supply and to income. They have also (anecdotally) been told not to use service station facilities. The headline is not very good on that one.
To keep the food and other essential services flowing, they should go through their own checkpoints. At start and end of each journey.
Just seems a bit odd to me we have simultaneous comment on the transmission of the virus to Victoria by removalist truckies, along with regular testing of truckies being an excessive infringement of their rights.
Generally speaking it doesn’t take a degree in rocket science to drive a truck.
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
It’s a planning problem. Suddenly tell many more people they have to be tested but don’t set up many more testing facilities. What did they think would happen?
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
What a pack of whingers.
How would they like to be waiting in line for a respirator?
The testing site at the showground near my home this morning had two other cars waiting when I arrived. As there were three drive-through lanes, I drove right up to the front. We have plenty of other testing facilities in the area, and Fairfield LGA is perhaps 30-40 minutes’ drive from here. I don’t see how this underused resource, which also happens to be completely portable, is not relocated to different LGAs as needed.
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
It’s a planning problem. Suddenly tell many more people they have to be tested but don’t set up many more testing facilities. What did they think would happen?
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
What a pack of whingers.
How would they like to be waiting in line for a respirator?
The testing site at the showground near my home this morning had two other cars waiting when I arrived. As there were three drive-through lanes, I drove right up to the front. We have plenty of other testing facilities in the area, and Fairfield LGA is perhaps 30-40 minutes’ drive from here. I don’t see how this underused resource, which also happens to be completely portable, is not relocated to different LGAs as needed.
Are the people affected allowed to drive to a suburb 40 minutes away for the sake of testing, or do they need to stay within a certain km limit from their home?
What a pack of whingers.
How would they like to be waiting in line for a respirator?
The testing site at the showground near my home this morning had two other cars waiting when I arrived. As there were three drive-through lanes, I drove right up to the front. We have plenty of other testing facilities in the area, and Fairfield LGA is perhaps 30-40 minutes’ drive from here. I don’t see how this underused resource, which also happens to be completely portable, is not relocated to different LGAs as needed.
Are the people affected allowed to drive to a suburb 40 minutes away for the sake of testing, or do they need to stay within a certain km limit from their home?
My understanding is the new travel restrictions prevent them leaving the LGA for essential work unless they have proof of negative test results. They must be tested every 3 days.
This explains why my dentist told me she needed so many tests, except she also needs to self-isolate for 14 days as she was deemed a close contact of the Coles worker, as she visited Fairfield Coles.
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
The testing site at the showground near my home this morning had two other cars waiting when I arrived. As there were three drive-through lanes, I drove right up to the front. We have plenty of other testing facilities in the area, and Fairfield LGA is perhaps 30-40 minutes’ drive from here. I don’t see how this underused resource, which also happens to be completely portable, is not relocated to different LGAs as needed.
Are the people affected allowed to drive to a suburb 40 minutes away for the sake of testing, or do they need to stay within a certain km limit from their home?
My understanding is the new travel restrictions prevent them leaving the LGA for essential work unless they have proof of negative test results. They must be tested every 3 days.
This explains why my dentist told me she needed so many tests, except she also needs to self-isolate for 14 days as she was deemed a close contact of the Coles worker, as she visited Fairfield Coles.
OK, gotcha.
I must confess to a level of ignorance regarding the layout of Sydney suburbs and localities.
What a pack of whingers.
How would they like to be waiting in line for a respirator?
The testing site at the showground near my home this morning had two other cars waiting when I arrived. As there were three drive-through lanes, I drove right up to the front. We have plenty of other testing facilities in the area, and Fairfield LGA is perhaps 30-40 minutes’ drive from here. I don’t see how this underused resource, which also happens to be completely portable, is not relocated to different LGAs as needed.
Are the people affected allowed to drive to a suburb 40 minutes away for the sake of testing, or do they need to stay within a certain km limit from their home?
Take 2 – No, hence my suggestion that the under-used resources be moved to their LGA.
Confusion and frustration reigns at the Fairfield Showground testing site today, with essential workers and local residents waiting for hours on end in their cars.
Yesterday’s announcement that essential workers from the Fairfield LGA need to be tested every three days sparked a rush on the venue, as locals lined up to follow the government’s mandate.
Jan Daod runs a cleaning company. He told me he’d been in line for hours already, and that the new testing mandate had thrown his life into chaos.
I’ve been waiting for two hours. I can’t do my job, I have to do the test and wait 24 hours, and then get tested again in three days. How can I work? I can’t work.”
Daod said he’d tried to get tested yesterday, waiting in line until 7pm before being told the site had closed, and so he’s returned today to try and get tested. The frustration was clear in his voice.
Lara Trkulja, an essential health care worker, held back tears as she explained her frustrations at the mandate.
“It’s insane that I have to do this. I’ve been waiting here for an hour and a half, and we’re barely close. It’s just too draining at the moment. You come home emotionally and physically drained, and then you have to line up again. It’s just too much.
“They’ve got to have more pop up clinics to do this, they got to have other plans in place.”
It’s a planning problem. Suddenly tell many more people they have to be tested but don’t set up many more testing facilities. What did they think would happen?
The testing site at the showground near my home this morning had two other cars waiting when I arrived. As there were three drive-through lanes, I drove right up to the front. We have plenty of other testing facilities in the area, and Fairfield LGA is perhaps 30-40 minutes’ drive from here. I don’t see how this underused resource, which also happens to be completely portable, is not relocated to different LGAs as needed.
Are the people affected allowed to drive to a suburb 40 minutes away for the sake of testing, or do they need to stay within a certain km limit from their home?
Take 2 – No, hence my suggestion that the under-used resources be moved to their LGA.
Ah, but I saw something in this morning’s press conference with Gladys saying something like, but they can go to work and get tested near their work. Which is obviously not how it was initially presented. I’ll see if I can find it. I’ve been doing patient record sorting while watching here this morning.
Will Fairfield’s three-day testing rule be expanded to other LGAs?
Gladys Berejiklian says hopefully not.
“It is a fact that the majority of cases are in that (Fairfield) local government area,” she says.
“It involves thousands of workers considering their position and is the health advice. That is why it is limited to that local government area.
“That is why we are saying to those people, if you have don’t have symptoms and on your way to work, please get tested in and around your workplace. Beyond that, the health advice has not changed. If the changes we will advise the community.”
Hang on, it was this bit, a bit earlier, about 2 hours ago:
*The mandatory testing comes into effect from the weekend *
Gladys Berejiklian said of the new mandate for essential workers to get tested every three days:
“In relation to the new testing requirements put in for workers yesterday, can I just make this point, those requirements come into effect from the weekend.
“Please know that if you have symptoms, you shouldn’t be going to work, you should be getting tested and going home until you get the help and advice.
“But if you are a worker who has no symptoms, and you are carrying out essential work, it’s okay for you to get tested where your work base is, near your workplace, to take pressure off the testing clinics in the local government area.
“We have put on extra staff and facilities but in order to ease traffic congestion and pressure, if you are a worker with no symptoms but no option but to go to work and you are leaving Fairfield, you can get tested near where your work place is and there are over 400 testing clinics where people can get access however we want to stress, you should not be leaving home unless you absolutely have to, not just in those communities but anywhere across the stay-at-home area.”
Will Fairfield’s three-day testing rule be expanded to other LGAs?
Gladys Berejiklian says hopefully not.
“It is a fact that the majority of cases are in that (Fairfield) local government area,” she says.
“It involves thousands of workers considering their position and is the health advice. That is why it is limited to that local government area.
“That is why we are saying to those people, if you have don’t have symptoms and on your way to work, please get tested in and around your workplace. Beyond that, the health advice has not changed. If the changes we will advise the community.”
When you also consider that much of Fairfield LGA’s population lists English as a second language, this is as clear as mud.
Hang on, it was this bit, a bit earlier, about 2 hours ago:
*The mandatory testing comes into effect from the weekend *
Gladys Berejiklian said of the new mandate for essential workers to get tested every three days:
“In relation to the new testing requirements put in for workers yesterday, can I just make this point, those requirements come into effect from the weekend.
“Please know that if you have symptoms, you shouldn’t be going to work, you should be getting tested and going home until you get the help and advice.
“But if you are a worker who has no symptoms, and you are carrying out essential work, it’s okay for you to get tested where your work base is, near your workplace, to take pressure off the testing clinics in the local government area.
“We have put on extra staff and facilities but in order to ease traffic congestion and pressure, if you are a worker with no symptoms but no option but to go to work and you are leaving Fairfield, you can get tested near where your work place is and there are over 400 testing clinics where people can get access however we want to stress, you should not be leaving home unless you absolutely have to, not just in those communities but anywhere across the stay-at-home area.”
Ah OK.
I can imagine many will claim they did not understand the direction. The Gladefense :)
Hang on, it was this bit, a bit earlier, about 2 hours ago:
*The mandatory testing comes into effect from the weekend *
Gladys Berejiklian said of the new mandate for essential workers to get tested every three days:
“In relation to the new testing requirements put in for workers yesterday, can I just make this point, those requirements come into effect from the weekend.
“Please know that if you have symptoms, you shouldn’t be going to work, you should be getting tested and going home until you get the help and advice.
“But if you are a worker who has no symptoms, and you are carrying out essential work, it’s okay for you to get tested where your work base is, near your workplace, to take pressure off the testing clinics in the local government area.
“We have put on extra staff and facilities but in order to ease traffic congestion and pressure, if you are a worker with no symptoms but no option but to go to work and you are leaving Fairfield, you can get tested near where your work place is and there are over 400 testing clinics where people can get access however we want to stress, you should not be leaving home unless you absolutely have to, not just in those communities but anywhere across the stay-at-home area.”
Ah OK.
I can imagine many will claim they did not understand the direction. The Gladefense :)
Which seems perfectly reasonable. They were presumably at work or lining up for a test at the time of the press conference…
How does the “Check In Qld” app work?
Does it send a signal somewhere when I click on the QR code thingie?
https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/check-in-qld
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Text sms?
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Text sms?
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Make of that what you will.
Are you sure NSW isn’t using their QR data for tracing?
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Text sms?
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Just ask for the paper login, write in your name and phone number and all done.
How does the “Check In Qld” app work?
Does it send a signal somewhere when I click on the QR code thingie?
https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/check-in-qld
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Mr Tamb. You will need some sort of device that is internet connected, and has a camera. WHere you are checking in, will have something that looks like this.
You open the Check In app, point your phone’s camera at the “QR Code”. These are like barcodes, but can contain more information.
Your camera decodes the QR code into a web address. (ie http://service.qld.gov.au……. blah blah blah………)
Your device then goes to that website, and it says you are at “Fred’‘s Resaurant”, and then will ask you to press the “check in” button.
You will have previously entered at least your name and phone number into the app on your phone/device.
Your app then sends your details (phone No, name) back to the “check-in web server” along with the time you “checked in”.
This is all done via the internet connection on your phone or tablet.
That’s it. Should someone then arrive at “Fred’s Restaurant”, and later test +ve, they can look at the system and say Mr Tamb was also there at the same time, and hence contact you to advise you of that.
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Make of that what you will.
Are you sure NSW isn’t using their QR data for tracing?
That is the reason for it, but they have not used it to date in this current outbreak. (according to a press release earlier in the week)
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Just ask for the paper login, write in your name and phone number and all done.
I think I’ve got it now. My phone collects the checkin location etc & sends my details to the gummint somewhere when I go on line.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Mr Tamb. You will need some sort of device that is internet connected, and has a camera. WHere you are checking in, will have something that looks like this.
You open the Check In app, point your phone’s camera at the “QR Code”. These are like barcodes, but can contain more information.
Your camera decodes the QR code into a web address. (ie http://service.qld.gov.au……. blah blah blah………)
Your device then goes to that website, and it says you are at “Fred’‘s Resaurant”, and then will ask you to press the “check in” button.
You will have previously entered at least your name and phone number into the app on your phone/device.
Your app then sends your details (phone No, name) back to the “check-in web server” along with the time you “checked in”.
This is all done via the internet connection on your phone or tablet.
That’s it. Should someone then arrive at “Fred’s Restaurant”, and later test +ve, they can look at the system and say Mr Tamb was also there at the same time, and hence contact you to advise you of that.
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Make of that what you will.
Are you sure NSW isn’t using their QR data for tracing?
NSW has only made QR code check-in mandatory from Monday this week. So there hasn’t been much data for tracing up til now.
NOTE: All data kept from the checkin app is deleted after 28 days.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Mr Tamb. You will need some sort of device that is internet connected, and has a camera. WHere you are checking in, will have something that looks like this.
You open the Check In app, point your phone’s camera at the “QR Code”. These are like barcodes, but can contain more information.
Your camera decodes the QR code into a web address. (ie http://service.qld.gov.au……. blah blah blah………)
Your device then goes to that website, and it says you are at “Fred’‘s Resaurant”, and then will ask you to press the “check in” button.
You will have previously entered at least your name and phone number into the app on your phone/device.
Your app then sends your details (phone No, name) back to the “check-in web server” along with the time you “checked in”.
This is all done via the internet connection on your phone or tablet.
That’s it. Should someone then arrive at “Fred’s Restaurant”, and later test +ve, they can look at the system and say Mr Tamb was also there at the same time, and hence contact you to advise you of that.
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Make of that what you will.
Shades of the Australia Card?
No. The only data xferred is your name and phone number and details of where you checked in. You could call yourself Archie Bunghole, if you wish. So if you get a call asking for Archie Bunghole, you’ll know it’s from the contact tracers.
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Make of that what you will.
Shades of the Australia Card?
No. The only data xferred is your name and phone number and details of where you checked in. You could call yourself Archie Bunghole, if you wish. So if you get a call asking for Archie Bunghole, you’ll know it’s from the contact tracers.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Mr Tamb. You will need some sort of device that is internet connected, and has a camera. WHere you are checking in, will have something that looks like this.
You open the Check In app, point your phone’s camera at the “QR Code”. These are like barcodes, but can contain more information.
Your camera decodes the QR code into a web address. (ie http://service.qld.gov.au……. blah blah blah………)
Your device then goes to that website, and it says you are at “Fred’‘s Resaurant”, and then will ask you to press the “check in” button.
You will have previously entered at least your name and phone number into the app on your phone/device.
Your app then sends your details (phone No, name) back to the “check-in web server” along with the time you “checked in”.
This is all done via the internet connection on your phone or tablet.
That’s it. Should someone then arrive at “Fred’s Restaurant”, and later test +ve, they can look at the system and say Mr Tamb was also there at the same time, and hence contact you to advise you of that.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Yes, You need a smart phone, not just a tablet. The phone sends the information to a central computer over the mobile phome network.
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Just ask for the paper login, write in your name and phone number and all done.
That method is causing lengthy delays in the queue to get into Woolies here. App in your phone, just scan, and straight in.
You need to be connected to the internet, either with a smart phone or wifi if you have a tablet.
I’ve got it on my tablet but it don’t work unless the place I’m checking into has free wifi.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Yes, You need a smart phone, not just a tablet. The phone sends the information to a central computer over the mobile phome network.
Ah, right. Mobile phone network. I hadn’t thought of that.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Just ask for the paper login, write in your name and phone number and all done.
I think I’ve got it now. My phone collects the checkin location etc & sends my details to the gummint somewhere when I go on line.
Just to clarify, Mr Tamb, you need to be “online” (if that’s what you want to call it), at the actual place/time of checkin for the app to work. NSW (not sure about other states) also has a “checkout” function. To indicate what time you left the relevant premises.
Thanks.
My question was more computer based. How does my info get to where the contact tracing takes place?
Mr Tamb. You will need some sort of device that is internet connected, and has a camera. WHere you are checking in, will have something that looks like this.
You open the Check In app, point your phone’s camera at the “QR Code”. These are like barcodes, but can contain more information.
Your camera decodes the QR code into a web address. (ie http://service.qld.gov.au……. blah blah blah………)
Your device then goes to that website, and it says you are at “Fred’‘s Resaurant”, and then will ask you to press the “check in” button.
You will have previously entered at least your name and phone number into the app on your phone/device.
Your app then sends your details (phone No, name) back to the “check-in web server” along with the time you “checked in”.
This is all done via the internet connection on your phone or tablet.
That’s it. Should someone then arrive at “Fred’s Restaurant”, and later test +ve, they can look at the system and say Mr Tamb was also there at the same time, and hence contact you to advise you of that.
I think I’ve got it now. My phone collects the checkin location etc & sends my details to the gummint somewhere when I go on line.
Yep.
The information collected for you and your guests must include:
Full name
Phone number
Email address
Date and entry time of patronage.
NSW app only asks for name and phone number. You do not have to have “registered” or anything else to use the app, which is a function of Services NSW app, where you can pay your rego, digital drivers license, use your wine and dine vouchers etc.
If you download the NSW app, and have not set up any sort of login/userid etc, you can still use the “checkin” component. After QR code scanning, it will prompt you for your name and phone number only. It then asks if you wish to store those details for later checkins. This is why you can call yourself Archi Bunghole, if ya want to.
If you have registered for ALL services of Services NSW, then Services NSW already have all your details, including email address, car rego, details etc etc etc.
Not sure how other state’s apps work in this regard.
The app would send your details to be added to a large database. This database has not been used in NSW for any contact tracing, and the WA database has been accessed by law enforcement to track a person.
Make of that what you will.
Are you sure NSW isn’t using their QR data for tracing?
That is the reason for it, but they have not used it to date in this current outbreak. (according to a press release earlier in the week)
I think the press release was about the Federal one – I’ve forgotten what the marketers called it now.
The information collected for you and your guests must include:
Full name
Phone number
Email address
Date and entry time of patronage.
NSW app only asks for name and phone number. You do not have to have “registered” or anything else to use the app, which is a function of Services NSW app, where you can pay your rego, digital drivers license, use your wine and dine vouchers etc.
If you download the NSW app, and have not set up any sort of login/userid etc, you can still use the “checkin” component. After QR code scanning, it will prompt you for your name and phone number only. It then asks if you wish to store those details for later checkins. This is why you can call yourself Archi Bunghole, if ya want to.
If you have registered for ALL services of Services NSW, then Services NSW already have all your details, including email address, car rego, details etc etc etc.
Not sure how other state’s apps work in this regard.
Do you need to be connected at the time of check in or when you next go on line?
Just ask for the paper login, write in your name and phone number and all done.
That method is causing lengthy delays in the queue to get into Woolies here. App in your phone, just scan, and straight in.
I’ve only had to wait for one person ahead of me and as I don’t have a smart phone I’ve been having to use the paper method for some weeks now in Victoria. One of the local disabled people had some difficulties – they had their name and phone number written on a piece of paper and laboriously copied it onto the login sheet.
I’ve just installed Check In Tas on my phone. Seems to be simple enough (if I can remember to take it with me when shopping).
You may be tempted to go through the “unlock phone, find app, open app, click ‘scan now’, then scan” process, but the easiest way is to use your phone’s camera shortcut (in my phone it is double-pressing the power button) and point it at the QR code which asks you if you want to open the app. You then unlock your phone and press the “check in” button.
The information collected for you and your guests must include:
Full name
Phone number
Email address
Date and entry time of patronage.
NSW app only asks for name and phone number. You do not have to have “registered” or anything else to use the app, which is a function of Services NSW app, where you can pay your rego, digital drivers license, use your wine and dine vouchers etc.
If you download the NSW app, and have not set up any sort of login/userid etc, you can still use the “checkin” component. After QR code scanning, it will prompt you for your name and phone number only. It then asks if you wish to store those details for later checkins. This is why you can call yourself Archi Bunghole, if ya want to.
If you have registered for ALL services of Services NSW, then Services NSW already have all your details, including email address, car rego, details etc etc etc.
Not sure how other state’s apps work in this regard.
I copied that from the QLD app webpage.
I have the QLD checkin app on my phone, but never needed it when we went to the footy a month or so ago.
Mr Tamb. You will need some sort of device that is internet connected, and has a camera. WHere you are checking in, will have something that looks like this.
You open the Check In app, point your phone’s camera at the “QR Code”. These are like barcodes, but can contain more information.
Your camera decodes the QR code into a web address. (ie http://service.qld.gov.au……. blah blah blah………)
Your device then goes to that website, and it says you are at “Fred’‘s Resaurant”, and then will ask you to press the “check in” button.
You will have previously entered at least your name and phone number into the app on your phone/device.
Your app then sends your details (phone No, name) back to the “check-in web server” along with the time you “checked in”.
This is all done via the internet connection on your phone or tablet.
That’s it. Should someone then arrive at “Fred’s Restaurant”, and later test +ve, they can look at the system and say Mr Tamb was also there at the same time, and hence contact you to advise you of that.
…and don’t forget to check out when you leave.
This isn’t the Hotel California, ya know!! :)
Do you not have a Check Out function?
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
That is the reason for it, but they have not used it to date in this current outbreak. (according to a press release earlier in the week)
I think the press release was about the Federal one – I’ve forgotten what the marketers called it now.
The national/federal one went kerfutt months ago.
Since the state government here made scanning or signing in mandatory, most people I know installed the state govt app and deleted the federal one. Which is what I did too.
That is the reason for it, but they have not used it to date in this current outbreak. (according to a press release earlier in the week)
I think the press release was about the Federal one – I’ve forgotten what the marketers called it now.
The national/federal one went kerfutt months ago.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
I think the press release was about the Federal one – I’ve forgotten what the marketers called it now.
The national/federal one went kerfutt months ago.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
Just ask for the paper login, write in your name and phone number and all done.
That method is causing lengthy delays in the queue to get into Woolies here. App in your phone, just scan, and straight in.
I’ve only had to wait for one person ahead of me and as I don’t have a smart phone I’ve been having to use the paper method for some weeks now in Victoria. One of the local disabled people had some difficulties – they had their name and phone number written on a piece of paper and laboriously copied it onto the login sheet.
They’re using a tablet at my local Woolies. Staff member sits on a stool at the entrance. Might be using the app on the tablet, but still has to enter details manually.
My workplace is also getting tablets for the front door “NSW checkin” for those that don’t have a phone/tablet/app. It should have been delivered today sometime.
NSW app only asks for name and phone number. You do not have to have “registered” or anything else to use the app, which is a function of Services NSW app, where you can pay your rego, digital drivers license, use your wine and dine vouchers etc.
If you download the NSW app, and have not set up any sort of login/userid etc, you can still use the “checkin” component. After QR code scanning, it will prompt you for your name and phone number only. It then asks if you wish to store those details for later checkins. This is why you can call yourself Archi Bunghole, if ya want to.
If you have registered for ALL services of Services NSW, then Services NSW already have all your details, including email address, car rego, details etc etc etc.
Not sure how other state’s apps work in this regard.
I copied that from the QLD app webpage.
I have the QLD checkin app on my phone, but never needed it when we went to the footy a month or so ago.
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
Just because I’m a Luddite (I actually ask for the Luddite List, but mostly I have to explain that…) but that doesn’t mean I know nothing about tech. I’m just choosy.
NSW app only asks for name and phone number. You do not have to have “registered” or anything else to use the app, which is a function of Services NSW app, where you can pay your rego, digital drivers license, use your wine and dine vouchers etc.
If you download the NSW app, and have not set up any sort of login/userid etc, you can still use the “checkin” component. After QR code scanning, it will prompt you for your name and phone number only. It then asks if you wish to store those details for later checkins. This is why you can call yourself Archi Bunghole, if ya want to.
If you have registered for ALL services of Services NSW, then Services NSW already have all your details, including email address, car rego, details etc etc etc.
Not sure how other state’s apps work in this regard.
I copied that from the QLD app webpage.
I have the QLD checkin app on my phone, but never needed it when we went to the footy a month or so ago.
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
They’re telling people to not forget to “check out” as well. If you check into Woollies at 9am, and don’t check out, then they have to consider you were there all day, when it comes to contact tracing, for someone that may have been there for 10 mins at 2pm.
However……. The NSW app has a “checkout” button, and lets you put the time you left, even if you do the checkout later. HOWEVER…….. If you don’t checkout of where you’ve checked in, and then checkin somewhere else, you are unable to “checkout” of the previous “checkin”.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
I think the press release was about the Federal one – I’ve forgotten what the marketers called it now.
The national/federal one went kerfutt months ago.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
They’re telling people to not forget to “check out” as well. If you check into Woollies at 9am, and don’t check out, then they have to consider you were there all day, when it comes to contact tracing, for someone that may have been there for 10 mins at 2pm.
However……. The NSW app has a “checkout” button, and lets you put the time you left, even if you do the checkout later. HOWEVER…….. If you don’t checkout of where you’ve checked in, and then checkin somewhere else, you are unable to “checkout” of the previous “checkin”.
My experience tells me otherwise. When I went to the dentist (geez, it’s my only interesting outing lately, so I’m going to harp on about it for as long as I can), I needed to check in to the large shopping centre that it was in, then also into the dental clinic. When I left, I checked out of the clinic, then to check out of the shopping centre, needed to click on “RECENT” to find the shopping centre check-in to check out. I did this successfully but can’t remember how exactly, as I was becoming increasingly concerned by that time that I had forgotten where I parked the car. It turned out that this concern was very well founded :)
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
Ah – I rememebr that one now. That’s the one that they renegged on their promise to release the source code and also used up all your battery.
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
They’re telling people to not forget to “check out” as well. If you check into Woollies at 9am, and don’t check out, then they have to consider you were there all day, when it comes to contact tracing, for someone that may have been there for 10 mins at 2pm.
However……. The NSW app has a “checkout” button, and lets you put the time you left, even if you do the checkout later. HOWEVER…….. If you don’t checkout of where you’ve checked in, and then checkin somewhere else, you are unable to “checkout” of the previous “checkin”.
Presumably it discounts the possibility of quantum superposition, and checks out of the previous place for you.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
I think a lot of people complained that having the Bluetooth always on drained their battery faster than normal. At least with the scanning apps they are not running all the time. You open the app, use it, and then close it again.
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
They’re telling people to not forget to “check out” as well. If you check into Woollies at 9am, and don’t check out, then they have to consider you were there all day, when it comes to contact tracing, for someone that may have been there for 10 mins at 2pm.
However……. The NSW app has a “checkout” button, and lets you put the time you left, even if you do the checkout later. HOWEVER…….. If you don’t checkout of where you’ve checked in, and then checkin somewhere else, you are unable to “checkout” of the previous “checkin”.
My experience tells me otherwise. When I went to the dentist (geez, it’s my only interesting outing lately, so I’m going to harp on about it for as long as I can), I needed to check in to the large shopping centre that it was in, then also into the dental clinic. When I left, I checked out of the clinic, then to check out of the shopping centre, needed to click on “RECENT” to find the shopping centre check-in to check out. I did this successfully but can’t remember how exactly, as I was becoming increasingly concerned by that time that I had forgotten where I parked the car. It turned out that this concern was very well founded :)
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
Ah – I rememebr that one now. That’s the one that they renegged on their promise to release the source code and also used up all your battery.
Australian researchers have discovered a way to stop the coronavirus from replicating in infected human cells using advancements in gene editing, in a major step towards a new treatment for Covid-19 as well as other viruses.
A team from the Doherty Institute and Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre was able to build on previous research on a type of gene-editing tool called a CRISPR – which detects and destroys DNA from similar organisms – that had been found to fight cancer in children and apply it to Covid-19.
The study found the tool was able to prevent the RNA virus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes Covid-19 using an enzyme, called a CRISPR-Cas13b, that binds to target RNAs and degrades the part of the virus’s genome that is needed to replicate inside the cell.
Australian researchers have discovered a way to stop the coronavirus from replicating in infected human cells using advancements in gene editing, in a major step towards a new treatment for Covid-19 as well as other viruses.
A team from the Doherty Institute and Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre was able to build on previous research on a type of gene-editing tool called a CRISPR – which detects and destroys DNA from similar organisms – that had been found to fight cancer in children and apply it to Covid-19.
The study found the tool was able to prevent the RNA virus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes Covid-19 using an enzyme, called a CRISPR-Cas13b, that binds to target RNAs and degrades the part of the virus’s genome that is needed to replicate inside the cell.
Australian researchers have discovered a way to stop the coronavirus from replicating in infected human cells using advancements in gene editing, in a major step towards a new treatment for Covid-19 as well as other viruses.
A team from the Doherty Institute and Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre was able to build on previous research on a type of gene-editing tool called a CRISPR – which detects and destroys DNA from similar organisms – that had been found to fight cancer in children and apply it to Covid-19.
The study found the tool was able to prevent the RNA virus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes Covid-19 using an enzyme, called a CRISPR-Cas13b, that binds to target RNAs and degrades the part of the virus’s genome that is needed to replicate inside the cell.
They’re telling people to not forget to “check out” as well. If you check into Woollies at 9am, and don’t check out, then they have to consider you were there all day, when it comes to contact tracing, for someone that may have been there for 10 mins at 2pm.
However……. The NSW app has a “checkout” button, and lets you put the time you left, even if you do the checkout later. HOWEVER…….. If you don’t checkout of where you’ve checked in, and then checkin somewhere else, you are unable to “checkout” of the previous “checkin”.
My experience tells me otherwise. When I went to the dentist (geez, it’s my only interesting outing lately, so I’m going to harp on about it for as long as I can), I needed to check in to the large shopping centre that it was in, then also into the dental clinic. When I left, I checked out of the clinic, then to check out of the shopping centre, needed to click on “RECENT” to find the shopping centre check-in to check out. I did this successfully but can’t remember how exactly, as I was becoming increasingly concerned by that time that I had forgotten where I parked the car. It turned out that this concern was very well founded :)
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Apparently not. There was some news about it recently, in the last week or so. Someone asked if it had been used (in the latest NSW outbreak, I think) and the answer was something like, no it hasn’t been useful.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
Ah – I rememebr that one now. That’s the one that they renegged on their promise to release the source code and also used up all your battery.
Australian researchers have discovered a way to stop the coronavirus from replicating in infected human cells using advancements in gene editing, in a major step towards a new treatment for Covid-19 as well as other viruses.
A team from the Doherty Institute and Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre was able to build on previous research on a type of gene-editing tool called a CRISPR – which detects and destroys DNA from similar organisms – that had been found to fight cancer in children and apply it to Covid-19.
The study found the tool was able to prevent the RNA virus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes Covid-19 using an enzyme, called a CRISPR-Cas13b, that binds to target RNAs and degrades the part of the virus’s genome that is needed to replicate inside the cell.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
Ah – I rememebr that one now. That’s the one that they renegged on their promise to release the source code and also used up all your battery.
And yet it cost us a heap of money as taxpayers…
This is the financially responsible government that refers to the other party as the high tax party.
Australian researchers have discovered a way to stop the coronavirus from replicating in infected human cells using advancements in gene editing, in a major step towards a new treatment for Covid-19 as well as other viruses.
A team from the Doherty Institute and Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre was able to build on previous research on a type of gene-editing tool called a CRISPR – which detects and destroys DNA from similar organisms – that had been found to fight cancer in children and apply it to Covid-19.
The study found the tool was able to prevent the RNA virus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes Covid-19 using an enzyme, called a CRISPR-Cas13b, that binds to target RNAs and degrades the part of the virus’s genome that is needed to replicate inside the cell.
Coz nobody uses it, or has deleted it or turned it off. It worked via Bluetooth and recorded proximity to other phones. So if you were dignosed +ve, then they could look at the system, and see every phone that came within bluetooth distance of yours, for contact tracing purposes..
Ah – I rememebr that one now. That’s the one that they renegged on their promise to release the source code and also used up all your battery.
And yet it cost us a heap of money as taxpayers…
At least they got an app that worked, for a time, until a better approach came along. Other countries spent money on developing apps that never went live after trials failed.
I missed this little Dan Andrews gem, apparently uttered last week:
“If you do the wrong thing you will be found, you will be fined and you have every chance of becoming very, very famous.”
Haha. Yes, he very quickly made another announcement that people would not be named and shamed, or something like that.
I missed this little Dan Andrews gem, apparently uttered last week:
“If you do the wrong thing you will be found, you will be fined and you have every chance of becoming very, very famous.”
Haha. Yes, he very quickly made another announcement that people would not be named and shamed, or something like that.
Doesn’t really change the fact that famous is in regard to “known to the police”.
I missed this little Dan Andrews gem, apparently uttered last week:
“If you do the wrong thing you will be found, you will be fined and you have every chance of becoming very, very famous.”
Haha. Yes, he very quickly made another announcement that people would not be named and shamed, or something like that.
Doesn’t really change the fact that famous is in regard to “known to the police”.
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Have the revivalists been fibbing about where exactly they went while in SA?
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Have the revivalists been fibbing about where exactly they went while in SA?
The head of Victoria’s coronavirus response says he is “extremely frustrated” by delays in getting information from Sydney removalists who worked in Melbourne while infectious, as his state reports seven new positive cases.
Asked on Wednesday if he believed the crew were deliberately withholding information, Victoria’s coronavirus response commander, Jeroen Weimar, said: “Well, they’re not being deliberately forthcoming, you can put it that way.”
“Books will be thrown when it’s time, when it’s appropriate to throw them,” he said.
I am exceptionally frustrated at the timing and the pacing of information coming from the removalists … it is my concern that we haven’t had quick and transparent exposure of all information.”
US military plane passenger tests positive for Covid
A planeload of US military personnel in the Northern Territory have been declared close contacts after a fellow passenger tested positive for Covid-19.
The infected woman, who is a serving member of the US Army, arrived in Darwin on Thursday 8 July before being diagnosed with the virus late on Monday.
AAP reports the 22-year-old is one of about 9000 foreign service personnel in Australia for the Talisman Sabre 2021 military war games, which started on Wednesday.
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Have the revivalists been fibbing about where exactly they went while in SA?
The head of Victoria’s coronavirus response says he is “extremely frustrated” by delays in getting information from Sydney removalists who worked in Melbourne while infectious, as his state reports seven new positive cases.
Asked on Wednesday if he believed the crew were deliberately withholding information, Victoria’s coronavirus response commander, Jeroen Weimar, said: “Well, they’re not being deliberately forthcoming, you can put it that way.”
“Books will be thrown when it’s time, when it’s appropriate to throw them,” he said.
I am exceptionally frustrated at the timing and the pacing of information coming from the removalists … it is my concern that we haven’t had quick and transparent exposure of all information.”
they’re probably doing something illegal then. Drugs or stolen goods or something like that.
NSW’s COVID-19 outbreak has spread to the state’s regions, after a case was detected in Goulburn, about 200km from Sydney. The ABC has been told the person who tested positive is an essential worker who travelled from southern Sydney to Goulburn. The person had been working on the construction of the new Goulburn Hospital.
gee, imagine if there were some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
Most of the seven new cases have been linked to the removalists who, it has now been confirmed, breached freight conditions by not wearing masks while visiting the Ariele apartment complex in Maribyrnong on July 8.
US military plane passenger tests positive for Covid
A planeload of US military personnel in the Northern Territory have been declared close contacts after a fellow passenger tested positive for Covid-19.
The infected woman, who is a serving member of the US Army, arrived in Darwin on Thursday 8 July before being diagnosed with the virus late on Monday.
AAP reports the 22-year-old is one of about 9000 foreign service personnel in Australia for the Talisman Sabre 2021 military war games, which started on Wednesday.
Surely, when you can be certain that your presence does not overlap with a Covid positive case it can minimise the inconvenience. If I’m popping in to Woolies to buy milk, I don’t want contact tracers telling me that as some people spend 1.5hrs doing their big shop, they must assume I was there for that duration. I never bothered using the check out function until very recently, as it is beginning to feel like it’s just a matter of time before I am contacted. Well actually, if you count the dentist’s call, then I have already been contacted. FWIW, the petrol station at Dural where I usually buy my fuel is a Covid site (10 minute duration). Thankfully I had visited two days beforehand and not since.
They’re telling people to not forget to “check out” as well. If you check into Woollies at 9am, and don’t check out, then they have to consider you were there all day, when it comes to contact tracing, for someone that may have been there for 10 mins at 2pm.
However……. The NSW app has a “checkout” button, and lets you put the time you left, even if you do the checkout later. HOWEVER…….. If you don’t checkout of where you’ve checked in, and then checkin somewhere else, you are unable to “checkout” of the previous “checkin”.
Presumably it discounts the possibility of quantum superposition, and checks out of the previous place for you.
My experience tells me otherwise. When I went to the dentist (geez, it’s my only interesting outing lately, so I’m going to harp on about it for as long as I can), I needed to check in to the large shopping centre that it was in, then also into the dental clinic. When I left, I checked out of the clinic, then to check out of the shopping centre, needed to click on “RECENT” to find the shopping centre check-in to check out. I did this successfully but can’t remember how exactly, as I was becoming increasingly concerned by that time that I had forgotten where I parked the car. It turned out that this concern was very well founded :)
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Far out brussel sprout! This chipped tooth has caused me grief in more ways than one.
I drive all the way to an emergency dentist that is still open (my usual dentist is closed), I almost lose my car as I’m unfamiliar with the area, then the dentist calls me the next day to tell me she is a close contact and that I need to get tested. I have a test this morning, and now? Now it turns out there was a Covid case roaming around the shopping centre at exactly the same time I was there (and I didn’t even check out)! Thankfully I didn’t enter any of the shops they had, but for the shopping centre itself, the advice is to monitor for symptoms. There were barely any people around when I visited, but I spoke with three of them. The first two to ask how to find the dentist (it was on Level 6 of a 3 or 4 level shopping centre), then a phone repair sleuth-man who I gave cryptic clues to to help me find my car.
I think I might get a proper call from a proper tracer.
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Far out brussel sprout! This chipped tooth has caused me grief in more ways than one.
I drive all the way to an emergency dentist that is still open (my usual dentist is closed), I almost lose my car as I’m unfamiliar with the area, then the dentist calls me the next day to tell me she is a close contact and that I need to get tested. I have a test this morning, and now? Now it turns out there was a Covid case roaming around the shopping centre at exactly the same time I was there (and I didn’t even check out)! Thankfully I didn’t enter any of the shops they had, but for the shopping centre itself, the advice is to monitor for symptoms. There were barely any people around when I visited, but I spoke with three of them. The first two to ask how to find the dentist (it was on Level 6 of a 3 or 4 level shopping centre), then a phone repair sleuth-man who I gave cryptic clues to to help me find my car.
I think I might get a proper call from a proper tracer.
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Far out brussel sprout! This chipped tooth has caused me grief in more ways than one.
I drive all the way to an emergency dentist that is still open (my usual dentist is closed), I almost lose my car as I’m unfamiliar with the area, then the dentist calls me the next day to tell me she is a close contact and that I need to get tested. I have a test this morning, and now? Now it turns out there was a Covid case roaming around the shopping centre at exactly the same time I was there (and I didn’t even check out)! Thankfully I didn’t enter any of the shops they had, but for the shopping centre itself, the advice is to monitor for symptoms. There were barely any people around when I visited, but I spoke with three of them. The first two to ask how to find the dentist (it was on Level 6 of a 3 or 4 level shopping centre), then a phone repair sleuth-man who I gave cryptic clues to to help me find my car.
I think I might get a proper call from a proper tracer.
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Far out brussel sprout! This chipped tooth has caused me grief in more ways than one.
I drive all the way to an emergency dentist that is still open (my usual dentist is closed), I almost lose my car as I’m unfamiliar with the area, then the dentist calls me the next day to tell me she is a close contact and that I need to get tested. I have a test this morning, and now? Now it turns out there was a Covid case roaming around the shopping centre at exactly the same time I was there (and I didn’t even check out)! Thankfully I didn’t enter any of the shops they had, but for the shopping centre itself, the advice is to monitor for symptoms. There were barely any people around when I visited, but I spoke with three of them. The first two to ask how to find the dentist (it was on Level 6 of a 3 or 4 level shopping centre), then a phone repair sleuth-man who I gave cryptic clues to to help me find my car.
I think I might get a proper call from a proper tracer.
Usually send a text if casual contact, based on location and check in information. Get a phone call if you’re a close contact. Or so the PHN people tell me.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Far out brussel sprout! This chipped tooth has caused me grief in more ways than one.
I drive all the way to an emergency dentist that is still open (my usual dentist is closed), I almost lose my car as I’m unfamiliar with the area, then the dentist calls me the next day to tell me she is a close contact and that I need to get tested. I have a test this morning, and now? Now it turns out there was a Covid case roaming around the shopping centre at exactly the same time I was there (and I didn’t even check out)! Thankfully I didn’t enter any of the shops they had, but for the shopping centre itself, the advice is to monitor for symptoms. There were barely any people around when I visited, but I spoke with three of them. The first two to ask how to find the dentist (it was on Level 6 of a 3 or 4 level shopping centre), then a phone repair sleuth-man who I gave cryptic clues to to help me find my car.
I think I might get a proper call from a proper tracer.
Usually send a text if casual contact, based on location and check in information. Get a phone call if you’re a close contact. Or so the PHN people tell me.
When looking at my NSW app just now, it lists only the “most recent” checkin, to check out of. History will list all your checkins, and highlight those you have not “checked out”, but there is no way of “checking out” of those.
Okay okay. I’ve just checked my app and have found that it says “check out not recorded” against the shopping centre check-in. It seems my panic about the lost car had set in by then, where “stuff it” meant “it’s as good as done”. Thanks for the clarification.
Far out brussel sprout! This chipped tooth has caused me grief in more ways than one.
I drive all the way to an emergency dentist that is still open (my usual dentist is closed), I almost lose my car as I’m unfamiliar with the area, then the dentist calls me the next day to tell me she is a close contact and that I need to get tested. I have a test this morning, and now? Now it turns out there was a Covid case roaming around the shopping centre at exactly the same time I was there (and I didn’t even check out)! Thankfully I didn’t enter any of the shops they had, but for the shopping centre itself, the advice is to monitor for symptoms. There were barely any people around when I visited, but I spoke with three of them. The first two to ask how to find the dentist (it was on Level 6 of a 3 or 4 level shopping centre), then a phone repair sleuth-man who I gave cryptic clues to to help me find my car.
I think I might get a proper call from a proper tracer.
It is this point that you need to visit every BBQ and craft store in town. At least that’s what people with covid do.
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Have the revivalists been fibbing about where exactly they went while in SA?
Third COVID-19 exposure site in SA connected with removalists investigated as man contracts virus in hotel
By Leah MacLennan and Eugene Boisvert
South Australian authorities are trying to work out another location where three removalists from Sydney stopped on their way to McLaren Vale in the early hours of the morning last Friday.
Have the revivalists been fibbing about where exactly they went while in SA?
Who knows.
How did that end up as revivalists? I meant removalists. It was underlined red, so I must have picked the wrong suggested correction.
I awoke before dawn to get a Covid test in Fairfield. Instead I found a nightmarish mess
The queue was so long, I had to drive 30km away to get a test. There is rising panic over the response to the outbreak – and it feels like we’re being picked on
——
Sydneysiders among you…
Is this article fair? Are the experiences typical?
I awoke before dawn to get a Covid test in Fairfield. Instead I found a nightmarish mess
The queue was so long, I had to drive 30km away to get a test. There is rising panic over the response to the outbreak – and it feels like we’re being picked on
——
Sydneysiders among you…
Is this article fair? Are the experiences typical?
In WA the process was smooth af.
Yes, there is nothing wrong with the article. Since then, however, Gladys has made it clear that people can be tested at a facility closer to work (and that the restrictions don’t come in until this weekend).
I awoke before dawn to get a Covid test in Fairfield. Instead I found a nightmarish mess
The queue was so long, I had to drive 30km away to get a test. There is rising panic over the response to the outbreak – and it feels like we’re being picked on
——
Sydneysiders among you…
Is this article fair? Are the experiences typical?
In WA the process was smooth af.
I am mildly outranged by this pervasive attitude of ‘we are being picked on’ bullfuckery .. boo fucking hoo, so you have to be mildly inconvenienced to be societally responsible… sack up all of you and stop thinking that this whole thing is a direct attack on you personally.
I awoke before dawn to get a Covid test in Fairfield. Instead I found a nightmarish mess
The queue was so long, I had to drive 30km away to get a test. There is rising panic over the response to the outbreak – and it feels like we’re being picked on
——
Sydneysiders among you…
Is this article fair? Are the experiences typical?
In WA the process was smooth af.
I am mildly outranged by this pervasive attitude of ‘we are being picked on’ bullfuckery .. boo fucking hoo, so you have to be mildly inconvenienced to be societally responsible… sack up all of you and stop thinking that this whole thing is a direct attack on you personally.
Indeed. At first it may have seemed as though they went in heavier with their response than they did in other LGAs, but when you consider the numbers that have come out of there, the response was obviously well-informed and justifiable.
I awoke before dawn to get a Covid test in Fairfield. Instead I found a nightmarish mess
The queue was so long, I had to drive 30km away to get a test. There is rising panic over the response to the outbreak – and it feels like we’re being picked on
——
Sydneysiders among you…
Is this article fair? Are the experiences typical?
In WA the process was smooth af.
I am mildly outranged by this pervasive attitude of ‘we are being picked on’ bullfuckery .. boo fucking hoo, so you have to be mildly inconvenienced to be societally responsible… sack up all of you and stop thinking that this whole thing is a direct attack on you personally.
As a Sydney resident, having just watched the Drum ….
I awoke before dawn to get a Covid test in Fairfield. Instead I found a nightmarish mess
The queue was so long, I had to drive 30km away to get a test. There is rising panic over the response to the outbreak – and it feels like we’re being picked on
——
Sydneysiders among you…
Is this article fair? Are the experiences typical?
In WA the process was smooth af.
I am mildly outranged by this pervasive attitude of ‘we are being picked on’ bullfuckery .. boo fucking hoo, so you have to be mildly inconvenienced to be societally responsible… sack up all of you and stop thinking that this whole thing is a direct attack on you personally.
As a Sydney resident, having just watched the Drum ….
I agree.
ideas of reference slash egocentric entitlement we agree with all your objections to
however
in between all that there probably is some valid criticism of the failure to adequately provide for the recommended testing schedule
I am mildly outranged by this pervasive attitude of ‘we are being picked on’ bullfuckery .. boo fucking hoo, so you have to be mildly inconvenienced to be societally responsible… sack up all of you and stop thinking that this whole thing is a direct attack on you personally.
As a Sydney resident, having just watched the Drum ….
I agree.
ideas of reference slash egocentric entitlement we agree with all your objections to
however
in between all that there probably is some valid criticism of the failure to adequately provide for the recommended testing schedule
departmental incompetence… nay… ill preparedness for dealing with something for the first fucking time aside…
“and it feels like we’re being picked on”. <————— this is ten yards of bullshit
As a Sydney resident, having just watched the Drum ….
I agree.
ideas of reference slash egocentric entitlement we agree with all your objections to
however
in between all that there probably is some valid criticism of the failure to adequately provide for the recommended testing schedule
departmental incompetence… nay… ill preparedness for dealing with something for the first fucking time aside…
“and it feels like we’re being picked on”. <————— this is ten yards of bullshit
If I lived in Fairfield LGA and the numbers, at the time, did not seem to justify the heavy-handed response (compared to the previous response for other LGAs), I probably would have felt picked on too. The authorities did not do a great job of explaining why they did what they did, and once that sentiment begins to spread in the community, there’s no stopping it.
I am mildly outranged by this pervasive attitude of ‘we are being picked on’ bullfuckery .. boo fucking hoo, so you have to be mildly inconvenienced to be societally responsible… sack up all of you and stop thinking that this whole thing is a direct attack on you personally.
As a Sydney resident, having just watched the Drum ….
I agree.
ideas of reference slash egocentric entitlement we agree with all your objections to
however
in between all that there probably is some valid criticism of the failure to adequately provide for the recommended testing schedule
Sure.
If they’d been complaining about the practicalities of how it was implemented, instead of whining about being picked on, I would have totally agreed.
Maybe they already had a certain inferiority complex as a district, and this is just confirmation bias.
Well there is that, yeah.
I have to admit a certain level of ignorance of Sydney suburbs, but I gather these are not the most glamourous or well-to-do areas.
In brief, the Northern Beaches and North Shore residents, like me and Sarah’s Mum, are all over privileged and immensely rich, and Fairfield is pretty well the opposite.
I have to admit a certain level of ignorance of Sydney suburbs, but I gather these are not the most glamourous or well-to-do areas.
In brief, the Northern Beaches and North Shore residents, like me and Sarah’s Mum, are all over privileged and immensely rich, and Fairfield is pretty well the opposite.
So the Northern Beaches and the North Shore got visits from the horsies too? Manure for the rose garden?
I have to admit a certain level of ignorance of Sydney suburbs, but I gather these are not the most glamourous or well-to-do areas.
In brief, the Northern Beaches and North Shore residents, like me and Sarah’s Mum, are all over privileged and immensely rich, and Fairfield is pretty well the opposite.
Sarah’s mum’s family.
I moved to Poverty Gully. But now half of NSW has followed and it takes many more dollars to live here in poverty.
I have to admit a certain level of ignorance of Sydney suburbs, but I gather these are not the most glamourous or well-to-do areas.
In brief, the Northern Beaches and North Shore residents, like me and Sarah’s Mum, are all over privileged and immensely rich, and Fairfield is pretty well the opposite.
Masks will be mandatory indoors for Victorians aged 12 and above from Thursday as the state deals with another COVID outbreak ,which includes 11 new confirmed cases.
Yeah, announcing a rule change at about 11pm to come into effect an hour later – I wonder how many people will be breaking rules on the morrow?
Masks will be mandatory indoors for Victorians aged 12 and above from Thursday as the state deals with another COVID outbreak ,which includes 11 new confirmed cases.
Yeah, announcing a rule change at about 11pm to come into effect an hour later – I wonder how many people will be breaking rules on the morrow?
they might mention it again over the coming hours.
With public health experts reviewing the situation in the wake of the new cases, Victorians will find out today if current restrictions will be tightened.
But Victoria’s Opposition Leader, Michael O’Brien, warned against any further lockdowns, saying the state could not afford it.
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True, we mean clearly instead the state can afford to have a highly infectious and lethal disease spread around rapidly.
over in Nam they didn’t want to be excoriated like Dan so they left it until 1000 (though of course their population is like 15 times bigger so you can all argue) and now
With Vietnam’s daily infection rates hitting record highs above 1,000 four times this month, the government has extended curbs after placing restrictions on the capital Hanoi on Tuesday. read more
Masks will be mandatory indoors for Victorians aged 12 and above from Thursday as the state deals with another COVID outbreak ,which includes 11 new confirmed cases.
Yeah, announcing a rule change at about 11pm to come into effect an hour later – I wonder how many people will be breaking rules on the morrow?
When did we go to no mask inside? Hasn’t it been masks in shops for ages now?
Masks will be mandatory indoors for Victorians aged 12 and above from Thursday as the state deals with another COVID outbreak ,which includes 11 new confirmed cases.
Yeah, announcing a rule change at about 11pm to come into effect an hour later – I wonder how many people will be breaking rules on the morrow?
When did we go to no mask inside? Hasn’t it been masks in shops for ages now?
Workplaces. Which is just bloody great as I have site meetings all bloody day.
Masks will be mandatory indoors for Victorians aged 12 and above from Thursday as the state deals with another COVID outbreak ,which includes 11 new confirmed cases.
Yeah, announcing a rule change at about 11pm to come into effect an hour later – I wonder how many people will be breaking rules on the morrow?
When did we go to no mask inside? Hasn’t it been masks in shops for ages now?
Workplaces. Which is just bloody great as I have site meetings all bloody day.
That would be why I missed it. I don’t have a workplace. Now you mention it, I seem to vaguely recall something about non public facing places being able to discard the mask. I did notice no-one had a mask on when I dropped stuff in at the accountants’ last week.
I’m thinking my brother will probably be locked out from visiting Mum in Box Hill Hospital. He saw her yesterday after her hip pinning surgery. But I guess hospitals and aged care will be locked up again.
Masks will be mandatory indoors for Victorians aged 12 and above from Thursday as the state deals with another COVID outbreak ,which includes 11 new confirmed cases.
Yeah, announcing a rule change at about 11pm to come into effect an hour later – I wonder how many people will be breaking rules on the morrow?
When did we go to no mask inside? Hasn’t it been masks in shops for ages now?
Workplaces. Which is just bloody great as I have site meetings all bloody day.
For some of us the idea “site meetings” might be inside just seems wrong :)
Apparently a 3 day snap lockdown in melbourne from tonight, according to senior sprog who is working at one of the testing stations.
Oh, the joy, I’m supposed to be moving.
But just checking the ABC they seem to be saying differently.
Hang on these revivalists actually traveled to South Australia and now they are deep cleaning in Hay.
Residents in the small Riverina town of Gundegai have been put on alert as a posiive COVID-19 case is recorded.
The Shell Coles Express in South Gundegai and the Shell petrol station in Jindera, north of Albury, have now been added to the NSW Health’s growing exposure sites list.
Anyone who visited the two locations is now considered close contacts, must immediately get tested and isolate for 14 days, regardless of the result.
Constuction companies in Greenacre in Sydney’s southwest have also been added to the list.
The neighbouring concreting company and an excavation company on Bellfrog Street have been shut down as a staff member was positive across the sites from Thursday, July 1, until Tuesday, July 13.
>No mention of Hay on the NSW covid update but everyone out here knows.
Two weeks ago, the Prime Minister announced a “new deal” had been agreed upon by National Cabinet; a “pathway out of COVID-19”.
This would involve setting “a critical number” of vaccinations based on modelling from the Doherty Institute, which Morrison hoped would be done by the end of the month.
“This will be a scientific number, it won’t be a political number”, Morrison assured.
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A number close to 150% of the population then, good luck.
Two weeks ago, the Prime Minister announced a “new deal” had been agreed upon by National Cabinet; a “pathway out of COVID-19”.
This would involve setting “a critical number” of vaccinations based on modelling from the Doherty Institute, which Morrison hoped would be done by the end of the month.
“This will be a scientific number, it won’t be a political number”, Morrison assured.
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A number close to 150% of the population then, good luck.
He’s buggered then. But he will have a ‘look over there’ line already written.
Two weeks ago, the Prime Minister announced a “new deal” had been agreed upon by National Cabinet; a “pathway out of COVID-19”.
This would involve setting “a critical number” of vaccinations based on modelling from the Doherty Institute, which Morrison hoped would be done by the end of the month.
“This will be a scientific number, it won’t be a political number”, Morrison assured.
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A number close to 150% of the population then, good luck.
“This will specify a target for the bare minimum we can get away with”
There was no record of the three men(revivalists) having used QR code check-ins during their time in SA.
“We’ve continued to go back to these individuals,” she said.
“We couldn’t find any QR codes for these individuals in the state, and certainly that would have helped our contact tracing efforts immensely.
“This has been a very difficult process for them to recall exact details and we don’t particularly believe they’re misleading us.”
SA Police Commissioner Grant Stevens said he had “heard different accounts” about whether the men were cooperating with authorities.
“I haven’t heard of any obstruction … and, in fact, two of the removalists have voluntarily handed over their phones so we can download the data from those phones and double check and verify that we’ve got all the locations they’ve been at,” he said.
•That would be why the Hay servo was getting a deep clean.
England faces the sternest test of its vaccination strategy
The country will end covid-19 restrictions in the midst of rapidly rising infections. Will the “wall” of inoculations hold?
Jul 12th 2021
ENGLAND IS soon to embark on a brave—critics say reckless—epidemiological experiment. It is seeking to end all social restrictions even though it is confronted with a large new wave of covid-19 infections. The British government certainly thinks it is possible to do so without incurring lots more deaths and overwhelming the National Health Service. On July 12th the prime minister, Boris Johnson, confirmed that England will end all restrictions on its citizens, including the legal requirement to wear masks in enclosed public places, starting on July 19th. (Other nations of the United Kingdom set their own policy and are being more cautious.)
The decision is controversial. England recorded 201,000 cases in the seven days to July 12th, the highest number since January. That is just 20% fewer than the whole of the European Union combined. Official cases per head of population are the sixth highest in the world and infections are doubling every six days.
As with many other countries, England has been wallopped by the more infectious Delta variant of the coronavirus—it now accounts for nearly all new cases there. But vaccines have so far kept deaths low. Fully 66% of adults in England are fully vaccinated and a further 21% have had the first of two doses. As a result, just 168 covid-19 deaths have been registered in the country over the past seven days. That compares with 2,400 deaths during a week in November 2020 when cases were at similar levels but vaccinations had not yet begun.
Indeed, an analysis by The Economist finds that in recent months the link between covid-19 cases and subsequent hospitalisation and death has been weakened—but not entirely broken. Between August 2020 and March 2021 every one thousand cases resulted in an average of 81 hospital admissions and 18 deaths. Since April 2021 every one thousand cases has been associated with 45 hospital admissions and four deaths (see chart below). As more people have been innoculated those figures have further reduced.
Nonetheless, England’s unlocking on July 19th does not come without risks. As cases rise exponentially—the government has warned that they might surpass 100,000 a day in August—more people will need treatment in hospital and more will die. At current rates of hospitalisation, official cases would need to rise to about 150,000 a day—three times their winter peak—for hospital admissions to approach the levels experienced in January. That could occur in about four weeks.
Rates of hospital admission will be highest among the unvaccinated. As in America, whose vaccine programme has slowed markedly in recent weeks, England’s government still needs to persuade more people to get jabbed. Covid-19 cases tend to be clustered in places that have the lowest vaccination rates. That suggests two things. First, most infections are taking place among the young people who are still waiting in line to be vaccinated (or among those who are too young to be jabbed). Second, vaccine hesitancy in pockets of England will continue to harbour high rates of infection.
Mr Johnson insists that the country must learn to live with coronavirus. His scientists say that delaying the ending of restrictions would simply defer rather than avert the deaths that will inevitably occur. They say that it is better to end restrictions now, when schools are closed for summer and flu cases are low. But other scientists worry about the burden of long covid among those, such as the young, that are still awaiting vaccination: just one quarter of 18- to 39-year-olds have had both shots of a vaccine. In response, the government says that it is investing £50m into research on the chronic effects of the disease.
In January England broke with international convention when it decided to lengthen the time between covid-19 vaccine doses from the recommended three weeks to 12. That allowed a larger number of people to obtain a single dose more quickly. It was a gamble that initially paid off as it allowed more of the most vulnerable to gain partial protection sooner, and the early evidence supported a longer dosing strategy as more efficacious. The government has since shortened its dosing strategy in response to the Delta variant because two doses offer most protection against it.
Meanwhile the Delta variant has spread to other countries with high rates of vaccination. It is now dominant in America, Denmark, Germany and Portugal. But England will be the first country to end covid-19 restrictions with infections so high. It will be the most robust test of a vaccine programme yet.
Dr Young says case of the 12-year-old did not get the virus in Queensland
Dr Young said the boy arrived in Brisbane ion July 9 and became sick that night. She said he most likely got the virus in Sydney, where he was doing his 14-day hotel quarantine.
England faces the sternest test of its vaccination strategy
The country will end covid-19 restrictions in the midst of rapidly rising infections. Will the “wall” of inoculations hold?
Jul 12th 2021
ENGLAND IS soon to embark on a brave—critics say reckless—epidemiological experiment. It is seeking to end all social restrictions even though it is confronted with a large new wave of covid-19 infections. The British government certainly thinks it is possible to do so without incurring lots more deaths and overwhelming the National Health Service. On July 12th the prime minister, Boris Johnson, confirmed that England will end all restrictions on its citizens, including the legal requirement to wear masks in enclosed public places, starting on July 19th. (Other nations of the United Kingdom set their own policy and are being more cautious.)
The decision is controversial. England recorded 201,000 cases in the seven days to July 12th, the highest number since January. That is just 20% fewer than the whole of the European Union combined. Official cases per head of population are the sixth highest in the world and infections are doubling every six days.
As with many other countries, England has been wallopped by the more infectious Delta variant of the coronavirus—it now accounts for nearly all new cases there. But vaccines have so far kept deaths low. Fully 66% of adults in England are fully vaccinated and a further 21% have had the first of two doses. As a result, just 168 covid-19 deaths have been registered in the country over the past seven days. That compares with 2,400 deaths during a week in November 2020 when cases were at similar levels but vaccinations had not yet begun.
Indeed, an analysis by The Economist finds that in recent months the link between covid-19 cases and subsequent hospitalisation and death has been weakened—but not entirely broken. Between August 2020 and March 2021 every one thousand cases resulted in an average of 81 hospital admissions and 18 deaths. Since April 2021 every one thousand cases has been associated with 45 hospital admissions and four deaths (see chart below). As more people have been innoculated those figures have further reduced.
Nonetheless, England’s unlocking on July 19th does not come without risks. As cases rise exponentially—the government has warned that they might surpass 100,000 a day in August—more people will need treatment in hospital and more will die. At current rates of hospitalisation, official cases would need to rise to about 150,000 a day—three times their winter peak—for hospital admissions to approach the levels experienced in January. That could occur in about four weeks.
Rates of hospital admission will be highest among the unvaccinated. As in America, whose vaccine programme has slowed markedly in recent weeks, England’s government still needs to persuade more people to get jabbed. Covid-19 cases tend to be clustered in places that have the lowest vaccination rates. That suggests two things. First, most infections are taking place among the young people who are still waiting in line to be vaccinated (or among those who are too young to be jabbed). Second, vaccine hesitancy in pockets of England will continue to harbour high rates of infection.
Mr Johnson insists that the country must learn to live with coronavirus. His scientists say that delaying the ending of restrictions would simply defer rather than avert the deaths that will inevitably occur. They say that it is better to end restrictions now, when schools are closed for summer and flu cases are low. But other scientists worry about the burden of long covid among those, such as the young, that are still awaiting vaccination: just one quarter of 18- to 39-year-olds have had both shots of a vaccine. In response, the government says that it is investing £50m into research on the chronic effects of the disease.
In January England broke with international convention when it decided to lengthen the time between covid-19 vaccine doses from the recommended three weeks to 12. That allowed a larger number of people to obtain a single dose more quickly. It was a gamble that initially paid off as it allowed more of the most vulnerable to gain partial protection sooner, and the early evidence supported a longer dosing strategy as more efficacious. The government has since shortened its dosing strategy in response to the Delta variant because two doses offer most protection against it.
Meanwhile the Delta variant has spread to other countries with high rates of vaccination. It is now dominant in America, Denmark, Germany and Portugal. But England will be the first country to end covid-19 restrictions with infections so high. It will be the most robust test of a vaccine programme yet.
Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals
Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
You’d probably need to have an antibody test to know (you could have been asymptomatic) if you have had the infection, unless you’d had a positive PCR test, if you were going to not vaccinate.
Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals
Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
You’d probably need to have an antibody test to know (you could have been asymptomatic) if you have had the infection, unless you’d had a positive PCR test, if you were going to not vaccinate.
The delta variant is the most contagious version of the coronavirus worldwide. It spreads about 225% faster than the original version of the virus, and it’s currently dominating the outbreak in the United States.
A new study, published online Wednesday, sheds light on why. It finds that the variant grows more rapidly inside people’s respiratory tracts and to much higher levels, researchers at the Guangdong Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention reported.
On average, people infected with the delta variant had about 1,000 times more copies of the virus in their respiratory tracts than those infected with the original strain of the coronavirus, the study reported.
In addition, after someone catches the delta variant, the person likely becomes infectious sooner. On average, it took about four days for the delta variant to reach detectable levels inside a person, compared with six days for the original coronavirus variant.
In the study, scientists analyzed COVID-19 patients involved in the first outbreak of the delta variant in mainland China, which occurred between May 21 and June 18 in Guangzhou, the capital of Guangdong province. The researchers measured the levels of virus in 62 people involved in that outbreak and compared them with the levels in 63 patients infected in 2020 with an early version of the virus.
Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals
Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
You’d probably need to have an antibody test to know (you could have been asymptomatic) if you have had the infection, unless you’d had a positive PCR test, if you were going to not vaccinate.
Oh dear. This Covid thing is a multi-headed serpent.
slow compromising lockdowns are just that, something less than elimination, which is transmission, multiplication, exponential
doubtful the ‘solidarity’ regard the exponential math of a stealthy virus that is ~2.2 X more contagious (than the original) is quite what is needed, not yet
Oh dear. This Covid thing is a multi-headed serpent.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
Problem is and it could have been predicted, that the virus is capable of out mutating the vaccines we develop.
I don’t think anyone, for even a second, thought that this wouldn’t end up being endemic in the population.. which is fine as long as our vaxs manage to protect against serious disease and/or death.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
Problem is and it could have been predicted, that the virus is capable of out mutating the vaccines we develop.
I don’t think anyone, for even a second, thought that this wouldn’t end up being endemic in the population.. which is fine as long as our vaxs manage to protect against serious disease and/or death.
Oh dear. This Covid thing is a multi-headed serpent.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
Oh dear. This Covid thing is a multi-headed serpent.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
We’ve got plenty of surge capacity in transport and accommodation – It’s the medicoes who are in short supply. I don’t know how widely this was proposed but during the second lockdown in Vic our medical community was asking people to come out of retirement and/or re-enter the hospital care environment to build numbers.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
Above 70% needs to be fully vaxed for at least two weeks before we will get any real idea on that.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
At this stage of the pandemic, we don’t know the answer to (2).
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
Above 70% needs to be fully vaxed for at least two weeks before we will get any real idea on that.
I’m so over the lockdown sentiment and am ready to take a less risk adverse approach.. I just wish more people were vaxxed..
However I do wonder what will happen next year when kids start getting it and schools are shut down.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
We’ve got plenty of surge capacity in transport and accommodation – It’s the medicoes who are in short supply. I don’t know how widely this was proposed but during the second lockdown in Vic our medical community was asking people to come out of retirement and/or re-enter the hospital care environment to build numbers.
Yes I read the pleas for retired people to come back and I also knew many who said, “Unless you can be sure I won’t bring it home to my family, then I’m staying retired”.
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
Above 70% needs to be fully vaxed for at least two weeks before we will get any real idea on that.
Above 70% needs to be fully vaxed for at least two weeks before we will get any real idea on that.
70% of what?
The population.
The problem has always been that we are targeting parts of the population. I know it is because we were always worried about the economy of the situation. We should have been aiming at the whole of the population that moves about.
i’m not in any hurry, hospitals (ambulance services also) in Adelaide already stretched, a serious covid outbreak would be terrible
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
At this stage of the pandemic, we don’t know the answer to (2).
I don’t understand what you mean by (1).
there are people that know (2).. it’s just an exercise in epidemiological modelling..
(1) means, that if vax is available and offered to every Australian but we still don’t reach the threshold set in (2), how long do we wait before we make the decision that hesitancy or anti-vax sentiment is a personal decision and it’s time for these morons to roll the dice
Well, it was clear from the beginning that adults should be first to be vaccinated but we should have been vaccinating everyone who goes to work first and schools should have stayed shut until that took effect.
Well, it was clear from the beginning that adults should be first to be vaccinated but we should have been vaccinating everyone who goes to work first and schools should have stayed shut until that took effect.
Actually schools open during no community transmission has been fine for 9 months…
Well, it was clear from the beginning that adults should be first to be vaccinated but we should have been vaccinating everyone who goes to work first and schools should have stayed shut until that took effect.
Actually schools open during no community transmission has been fine for 9 months…
No community transmission would be the reason for that.
I understand, but equally I’d love to see some clear guidelines on either (1) how long after you makes the jabs available to everyone, or (2) what proportion of the the population needs to be fully vaxxed.
At this stage of the pandemic, we don’t know the answer to (2).
I don’t understand what you mean by (1).
there are people that know (2).. it’s just an exercise in epidemiological modelling..
(1) means, that if vax is available and offered to every Australian but we still don’t reach the threshold set in (2), how long do we wait before we make the decision that hesitancy or anti-vax sentiment is a personal decision and it’s time for these morons to roll the dice
Nobody knows (2) yet. This COVID thing hasn’t been around long enough, nor have the vaccines been around long enough.
(1) I see. Yes that’d be nice.
I’m hoping to have my first jab tomorrow. I’ve been on the list since the first of May – as soon as I became eligible. It has been cancelled twice so far.
Well, it was clear from the beginning that adults should be first to be vaccinated but we should have been vaccinating everyone who goes to work first and schools should have stayed shut until that took effect.
Actually schools open during no community transmission has been fine for 9 months…
No community transmission would be the reason for that.
At this stage of the pandemic, we don’t know the answer to (2).
I don’t understand what you mean by (1).
there are people that know (2).. it’s just an exercise in epidemiological modelling..
(1) means, that if vax is available and offered to every Australian but we still don’t reach the threshold set in (2), how long do we wait before we make the decision that hesitancy or anti-vax sentiment is a personal decision and it’s time for these morons to roll the dice
Nobody knows (2) yet. This COVID thing hasn’t been around long enough, nor have the vaccines been around long enough.
(1) I see. Yes that’d be nice.
I’m hoping to have my first jab tomorrow. I’ve been on the list since the first of May – as soon as I became eligible. It has been cancelled twice so far.
I can say that Astra Zeneca caused me no ill effects other than perhaps accentuating my congestion for an evening. Which was not an expected response so it likely was just me being congested.
I’m fully vaxxed and it is well past the two weeks for full effect to take place but I am not being complacent. I’m still staying largley at home and if I go out it is to drive to the bush. I shop about every 7 to 10 days. Beer doesn’t last as long as milk in the fridge.
“Victoria’s Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar said the latest outbreak has demonstrated how effective face masks are in preventing the transmission of COVID-19.
Mr Wiemar said a man who spent hours in the presence of two infectious removalists from Sydney last week was wearing a mask at the time and has not yet tested positive.
“The man whose furniture was being taken away, who spent four or five hours with these removalists, was wearing a mask,” he said.
“The removalists were not wearing a mask. He is not yet currently known to be infect. The four other people from the building were not wearing masks and they are positive.”“
Above 70% needs to be fully vaxed for at least two weeks before we will get any real idea on that.
70% of what?
The population.
let’s say you are right, and in order to achieve herd immunity we only need 70% of the entire population to be vaccinated.
The efficacy of the mRNA vaccines seems to be in the order of 90% (there, or there abouts) so in order to achieve your 70% number we need to actually vaccinate about 78% of the total population.
there are 25.5 million people in Aust, that means we need to fully vaccinate close to 20 million people.
at the moment we’ve fully vaccinated about 2.3 million people and about 9 million have had one shot.
what this means is that we need to deliver a further approximately another 26.5 million doses before enough people are covered to achieve your magic 70% number
problems: (1) moderna is not even approved for use yet, (2) we have a limitation on supply (which includes moderna) of at most 2 million doses a week (3) kids under 16 are also not approved for the vax yet..
all in all it’s likely we won’t come close to this until mid next year.. and that, for me, is too long for this open up / lockdown / open up / lockdown thing to continue for
“Victoria’s Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar said the latest outbreak has demonstrated how effective face masks are in preventing the transmission of COVID-19.
Mr Wiemar said a man who spent hours in the presence of two infectious removalists from Sydney last week was wearing a mask at the time and has not yet tested positive.
“The man whose furniture was being taken away, who spent four or five hours with these removalists, was wearing a mask,” he said.
“The removalists were not wearing a mask. He is not yet currently known to be infect. The four other people from the building were not wearing masks and they are positive.”“
let’s say you are right, and in order to achieve herd immunity we only need 70% of the entire population to be vaccinated.
The efficacy of the mRNA vaccines seems to be in the order of 90% (there, or there abouts) so in order to achieve your 70% number we need to actually vaccinate about 78% of the total population.
there are 25.5 million people in Aust, that means we need to fully vaccinate close to 20 million people.
at the moment we’ve fully vaccinated about 2.3 million people and about 9 million have had one shot.
what this means is that we need to deliver a further approximately another 26.5 million doses before enough people are covered to achieve your magic 70% number
problems: (1) moderna is not even approved for use yet, (2) we have a limitation on supply (which includes moderna) of at most 2 million doses a week (3) kids under 16 are also not approved for the vax yet..
all in all it’s likely we won’t come close to this until mid next year.. and that, for me, is too long for this open up / lockdown / open up / lockdown thing to continue for
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
“Victoria’s Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar said the latest outbreak has demonstrated how effective face masks are in preventing the transmission of COVID-19.
Mr Wiemar said a man who spent hours in the presence of two infectious removalists from Sydney last week was wearing a mask at the time and has not yet tested positive.
“The man whose furniture was being taken away, who spent four or five hours with these removalists, was wearing a mask,” he said.
“The removalists were not wearing a mask. He is not yet currently known to be infect. The four other people from the building were not wearing masks and they are positive.”“
let’s say you are right, and in order to achieve herd immunity we only need 70% of the entire population to be vaccinated.
The efficacy of the mRNA vaccines seems to be in the order of 90% (there, or there abouts) so in order to achieve your 70% number we need to actually vaccinate about 78% of the total population.
there are 25.5 million people in Aust, that means we need to fully vaccinate close to 20 million people.
at the moment we’ve fully vaccinated about 2.3 million people and about 9 million have had one shot.
what this means is that we need to deliver a further approximately another 26.5 million doses before enough people are covered to achieve your magic 70% number
problems: (1) moderna is not even approved for use yet, (2) we have a limitation on supply (which includes moderna) of at most 2 million doses a week (3) kids under 16 are also not approved for the vax yet..
all in all it’s likely we won’t come close to this until mid next year.. and that, for me, is too long for this open up / lockdown / open up / lockdown thing to continue for
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
NSW’s COVID-19 outbreak has spread to the state’s regions, after a case was detected in Goulburn, about 200km from Sydney. The ABC has been told the person who tested positive is an essential worker who travelled from southern Sydney to Goulburn. The person had been working on the construction of the new Goulburn Hospital.
gee, imagine if there were some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others
“Victoria’s Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar said the latest outbreak has demonstrated how effective face masks are in preventing the transmission of COVID-19.
Mr Wiemar said a man who spent hours in the presence of two infectious removalists from Sydney last week was wearing a mask at the time and has not yet tested positive.
“The man whose furniture was being taken away, who spent four or five hours with these removalists, was wearing a mask,” he said.
“The removalists were not wearing a mask. He is not yet currently known to be infect. The four other people from the building were not wearing masks and they are positive.”“
thanks to p_p’s spellcheck slip up, these virus revivalists may well yet be thwarted by simple mask-ups.
apparently some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others, really does do the trick
let’s say you are right, and in order to achieve herd immunity we only need 70% of the entire population to be vaccinated.
The efficacy of the mRNA vaccines seems to be in the order of 90% (there, or there abouts) so in order to achieve your 70% number we need to actually vaccinate about 78% of the total population.
there are 25.5 million people in Aust, that means we need to fully vaccinate close to 20 million people.
at the moment we’ve fully vaccinated about 2.3 million people and about 9 million have had one shot.
what this means is that we need to deliver a further approximately another 26.5 million doses before enough people are covered to achieve your magic 70% number
problems: (1) moderna is not even approved for use yet, (2) we have a limitation on supply (which includes moderna) of at most 2 million doses a week (3) kids under 16 are also not approved for the vax yet..
all in all it’s likely we won’t come close to this until mid next year.. and that, for me, is too long for this open up / lockdown / open up / lockdown thing to continue for
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
you can sell oxygen, electricity, plastic, medicines, the list goes on
“Victoria’s Testing Commander Jeroen Weimar said the latest outbreak has demonstrated how effective face masks are in preventing the transmission of COVID-19.
Mr Wiemar said a man who spent hours in the presence of two infectious removalists from Sydney last week was wearing a mask at the time and has not yet tested positive.
“The man whose furniture was being taken away, who spent four or five hours with these removalists, was wearing a mask,” he said.
“The removalists were not wearing a mask. He is not yet currently known to be infect. The four other people from the building were not wearing masks and they are positive.”“
thanks to p_p’s spellcheck slip up, these virus revivalists may well yet be thwarted by simple mask-ups.
apparently some kind of device or garment that an essential worker could wear, that might both prevent the worker from being infected by others, and prevent an unknowingly infected worker from infecting others, really does do the trick
Most tradies wear dust masks or other protection like face shields anyway..
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
you can sell oxygen, electricity, plastic, medicines, the list goes on
that’s why only deaths matter
If you happen to be making and selling those items, yes.
let’s say you are right, and in order to achieve herd immunity we only need 70% of the entire population to be vaccinated.
The efficacy of the mRNA vaccines seems to be in the order of 90% (there, or there abouts) so in order to achieve your 70% number we need to actually vaccinate about 78% of the total population.
there are 25.5 million people in Aust, that means we need to fully vaccinate close to 20 million people.
at the moment we’ve fully vaccinated about 2.3 million people and about 9 million have had one shot.
what this means is that we need to deliver a further approximately another 26.5 million doses before enough people are covered to achieve your magic 70% number
problems: (1) moderna is not even approved for use yet, (2) we have a limitation on supply (which includes moderna) of at most 2 million doses a week (3) kids under 16 are also not approved for the vax yet..
all in all it’s likely we won’t come close to this until mid next year.. and that, for me, is too long for this open up / lockdown / open up / lockdown thing to continue for
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
All true. No arguments against any of that.
IMO, we make masks mandatory everywhere, that will go a long way towards limiting spread.
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
All true. No arguments against any of that.
IMO, we make masks mandatory everywhere, that will go a long way towards limiting spread.
Fair.
I’m prepared to wear a mask wherever there are other people, particularly in the supermarket carparks.
Before I read the rest of your post, remember I said, “above 70%”.
Now I’ve said that and read the rest of your post, I rest my case. You can go back and read my post. I shouldn’t need to requote what I said. It is basic uncommon sense. That’s what the science has always said.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
I think in Australia before this pandemic we were putting up with around 2000 deaths annually from the flu without any worry much at all.
IMO, we make masks mandatory everywhere, that will go a long way towards limiting spread.
Fair.
I’m prepared to wear a mask wherever there are other people, particularly in the supermarket carparks.
maked up went in to the market, came out with mask still on hands full of reusable bags containing shopping. Unloading into back seat, silly woman who could have parked the other side of me which is closer to the recycling, shimmies her car in so I clould harldy move. Her car is smaller than mine. I’m stuck she opens boot unmasked and gets bags of bottles out to put in the machine. No 1.5m spacing. No apologies.
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
I think in Australia before this pandemic we were putting up with around 2000 deaths annually from the flu without any worry much at all.
I’m actually all for using the over 65s as human shields.. ;)
Open up lockdown is a mistake.
Fuck everyone’s money. What profit can be made after you are lining up to find a ventilator?
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
I think in Australia before this pandemic we were putting up with around 2000 deaths annually from the flu without any worry much at all.
We all know that and thank Gaia for this pandemic or we would also still have that on top of this which by the way is 225 times more infectious than the flu you mentioned.
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
I think in Australia before this pandemic we were putting up with around 2000 deaths annually from the flu without any worry much at all.
I’m actually all for using the over 65s as human shields.. ;)
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
I think in Australia before this pandemic we were putting up with around 2000 deaths annually from the flu without any worry much at all.
I’m actually all for using the over 65s as human shields.. ;)
I didn’t say open up now.. but I think we need to think very carefully about what what the threshold values are. It’s important to remember that medicos are getting better at treating covid and that the death rate is dropping as well.
I think in Australia before this pandemic we were putting up with around 2000 deaths annually from the flu without any worry much at all.
I’m actually all for using the over 65s as human shields.. ;)
Human rhinovirus infection blocks SARS-CoV-2 replication within the respiratory epithelium: implications for COVID-19 epidemiology
Link to the abstract: https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/236452/
You can click on the link to “text” to read the whole paper, it’s open access. I found the last few sentences interesting too, where they are trying to explain why this might be so in a broader context.
“There is a vast body of knowledge on the impact of evolution on virus-host interactions . Many studies have focused on the evolutionary arms race between viruses and hosts, where the host’s immune system evolves antiviral mechanisms to stop viral replication and viruses evolve to evade antiviral proteins. We propose that virus-virus interactions influence this arms race and contribute to shaping their molecular interplay. For example, it is feasible to think that HRV infections in humans might be mutually beneficial: from an HRV perspective, humans evolved a tightly regulated immune response that allows HRV to replicate and transmit while it blocks other potentially competing viruses. From a host’s perspective, HRV infections, which are usually associated with mild disease, stimulate an antiviral response that prevents infections by more severe (and sometimes lethal) viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2 and IAV. Future studies using coinfections are needed to shed light on the role of ecology and evolution on virus-virus interactions and their impact on virus host range, transmission and disease. “
Human rhinovirus infection blocks SARS-CoV-2 replication within the respiratory epithelium: implications for COVID-19 epidemiology
Link to the abstract: https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/236452/
You can click on the link to “text” to read the whole paper, it’s open access. I found the last few sentences interesting too, where they are trying to explain why this might be so in a broader context.
“There is a vast body of knowledge on the impact of evolution on virus-host interactions . Many studies have focused on the evolutionary arms race between viruses and hosts, where the host’s immune system evolves antiviral mechanisms to stop viral replication and viruses evolve to evade antiviral proteins. We propose that virus-virus interactions influence this arms race and contribute to shaping their molecular interplay. For example, it is feasible to think that HRV infections in humans might be mutually beneficial: from an HRV perspective, humans evolved a tightly regulated immune response that allows HRV to replicate and transmit while it blocks other potentially competing viruses. From a host’s perspective, HRV infections, which are usually associated with mild disease, stimulate an antiviral response that prevents infections by more severe (and sometimes lethal) viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2 and IAV. Future studies using coinfections are needed to shed light on the role of ecology and evolution on virus-virus interactions and their impact on virus host range, transmission and disease. “
Human rhinovirus infection blocks SARS-CoV-2 replication within the respiratory epithelium: implications for COVID-19 epidemiology
Link to the abstract: https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/236452/
You can click on the link to “text” to read the whole paper, it’s open access. I found the last few sentences interesting too, where they are trying to explain why this might be so in a broader context.
“There is a vast body of knowledge on the impact of evolution on virus-host interactions . Many studies have focused on the evolutionary arms race between viruses and hosts, where the host’s immune system evolves antiviral mechanisms to stop viral replication and viruses evolve to evade antiviral proteins. We propose that virus-virus interactions influence this arms race and contribute to shaping their molecular interplay. For example, it is feasible to think that HRV infections in humans might be mutually beneficial: from an HRV perspective, humans evolved a tightly regulated immune response that allows HRV to replicate and transmit while it blocks other potentially competing viruses. From a host’s perspective, HRV infections, which are usually associated with mild disease, stimulate an antiviral response that prevents infections by more severe (and sometimes lethal) viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2 and IAV. Future studies using coinfections are needed to shed light on the role of ecology and evolution on virus-virus interactions and their impact on virus host range, transmission and disease. “
Human rhinovirus infection blocks SARS-CoV-2 replication within the respiratory epithelium: implications for COVID-19 epidemiology
Link to the abstract: https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/236452/
You can click on the link to “text” to read the whole paper, it’s open access. I found the last few sentences interesting too, where they are trying to explain why this might be so in a broader context.
“There is a vast body of knowledge on the impact of evolution on virus-host interactions . Many studies have focused on the evolutionary arms race between viruses and hosts, where the host’s immune system evolves antiviral mechanisms to stop viral replication and viruses evolve to evade antiviral proteins. We propose that virus-virus interactions influence this arms race and contribute to shaping their molecular interplay. For example, it is feasible to think that HRV infections in humans might be mutually beneficial: from an HRV perspective, humans evolved a tightly regulated immune response that allows HRV to replicate and transmit while it blocks other potentially competing viruses. From a host’s perspective, HRV infections, which are usually associated with mild disease, stimulate an antiviral response that prevents infections by more severe (and sometimes lethal) viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2 and IAV. Future studies using coinfections are needed to shed light on the role of ecology and evolution on virus-virus interactions and their impact on virus host range, transmission and disease. “
Interesting, thanks.
¿ wait wait so those gloating articles from forever-COVID countries, about how AU / NZ are now suffering the biggest outbreak of actual mild colds ever, are not only wrong about it being a “disaster”, but they’re calling the complete opposite of how it is ?
Andrews has announced a 5-day lockdown from midnight for Vic.
Bang goes tomorrow’s accountant appointment.
More time for your money to work for you.
It’s for the annual audit and tax return for the self managed super fund. Mr buffy can speak to him on the phone. I was thinking about doing my thyroid blood tests too (the efficient blood lady is there on Fridays, the one who can find a vein easily), but it’s not urgent, so next week will do. I did the meat shop on Tuesday. And the veggies situation is fine.
Eight Sydneysiders caught holidaying on South Coast
NSW Police have issued individual $1,000 fines to eight Sydneysiders who were found holidaying at Catalina, near Batemans Bay this afternoon.
The eight people – aged between 18 and 19 – travelled from their homes at Balgowlah Heights, Bellevue Hill, Bondi, Dover Heights, and Edgecliff to a short-term accommodation property.
They were caught before they were due to return to study in Canberra at the Australian National University.
Deputy Commissioner Mick Willing thanked the South Coast community for their assistance enforcing public health orders.
“This case really shows that Sydneysiders have nowhere to hide in regional areas at the moment,” Deputy Commissioner Willing said.
“Regional people are actively working with police to protect themselves and their loved ones, which is so important given the incredibly contagious nature of the Delta strain.”
Eight Sydneysiders caught holidaying on South Coast
NSW Police have issued individual $1,000 fines to eight Sydneysiders who were found holidaying at Catalina, near Batemans Bay this afternoon.
The eight people – aged between 18 and 19 – travelled from their homes at Balgowlah Heights, Bellevue Hill, Bondi, Dover Heights, and Edgecliff to a short-term accommodation property.
They were caught before they were due to return to study in Canberra at the Australian National University.
Deputy Commissioner Mick Willing thanked the South Coast community for their assistance enforcing public health orders.
“This case really shows that Sydneysiders have nowhere to hide in regional areas at the moment,” Deputy Commissioner Willing said.
“Regional people are actively working with police to protect themselves and their loved ones, which is so important given the incredibly contagious nature of the Delta strain.”
off to Christmas Island detention centre with them,
Mr Andrews was asked about Sydney’s lack of early lockdown.
He said he would not be drawn in to a tit-for-tat with New South Wales.
“I’m not here to grade other states, to pass judgement, that’s not my job. My job is to look after my state. I’m doing everything I can to do that,” Mr Andrews said.
“I was asked before about commentary made at a press conference in Sydney. I don’t operate that way. You’re not drawing me into smearing or making comments or being a marker, grader of others. That’s not my job.
“I think Victorians can make up their own minds when they see some of the stuff they’ve seen.
“I’m not bothering the New South Wales Premier, she has more than enough to do.
“I see her at National Cabinet every week, I send her a text from time to time. She has her hands full, like I do. If we need to talk, we would.”
Mr Andrews was asked about Sydney’s lack of early lockdown.
He said he would not be drawn in to a tit-for-tat with New South Wales.
“I’m not here to grade other states, to pass judgement, that’s not my job. My job is to look after my state. I’m doing everything I can to do that,” Mr Andrews said.
“I was asked before about commentary made at a press conference in Sydney. I don’t operate that way. You’re not drawing me into smearing or making comments or being a marker, grader of others. That’s not my job.
“I think Victorians can make up their own minds when they see some of the stuff they’ve seen.
“I’m not bothering the New South Wales Premier, she has more than enough to do.
“I see her at National Cabinet every week, I send her a text from time to time. She has her hands full, like I do. If we need to talk, we would.”
“ An earlier variant (Beta, the “351” strain) was actually better at evading vaccine protection than any of the others – not really to breakthrough levels, but certainly more than the rest. But it is disappearing from the world thanks to Delta being much more transmissible, and Delta is handled better by the vaccine-raised immune response. ”
Well all of you will be thankful we’ve decided to let you all have a little break, we won’t post any of those fattened curves tonight, they’re all proceeding much as you might expect.
For the time being we’ll bow out with this.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian said:
many of the 28 cases who were in the community while infectious were out and about because they were seeking medical help. She said many were going to the pharmacy or the GP.
“My strongest message to everybody is, keep doing what you are doing,” she said.
So she wants everybody to keep going to the pharmacy or the GP seeking medical help, being infectious while out and about in the community, makes complete sense.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian said:
“ not growing exponentially. That tells us that the settings that we have in place are having an impact.”
All right then, looks like all you forever-COVID supporters get to win. You wanted to “live with the virus”, keep it at a low constant case rate, not eliminated, not overwhelming the health system¿ Well now you get to do it¡ Trouble is, keep doing what you are doing is living with the virus, you’re needing a lockdown just to keep things where they are, and ready to blow up the moment anyone slips up. Oh, what was that again¿ It’s all that a lockdown-lite can do just to have a bit of impact to stop things growing exponentially¿ LOL
Luxury brands Gucci and Louis Vuitton are ‘essential’ under NSWCOVID restrictions.
Discretionary retailers are still able to keep trading because the NSW government has not defined what is considered “essential” work.
It is entirely subjective (or ambiguous) under the state’s COVID regulations. In effect, almost every retailer is “essential” if they want to stay open during the lockdown.
“It is so, so difficult to have a precise rule for every single thing,” NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian told reporters on Tuesday.
Those queuing for a COVID test in the Sydney suburb of Fairfield can expect some relief when a new government funded carpark is built there in 2028.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed the funding yesterday, saying he is always willing to help with Australia’s COVID response, especially if it involves building imaginary infrastructure.
“A lot of people would look at this situation and say that what Fairfield needs right now is additional testing facilities or vaccination centres. But they’re forgetting that when you’re facing a pretty terrifying health crisis, what you actually need is a place to park your car in seven years’ time.
The car park proposal was quietly pulled when a staffer pointed out that Fairfield was situated in a safe Labor seat.
The Prime Minister said “both premiers have made it clear, and this is the focus of National Cabinet … the target here is to reduce as far as possible to zero the cases that are infectious in the community.” He said Ms Berejiklian said there was an “extraordinary improvement” in compliance in Western Sydney. “I thank all of those out in south-west Sydney, can I particularly thank the multicultural community leaders in south-western Sydney.”
Scott Morrison was asked about whether the states were right to lock down. Mr Morrison said he says “states need to take the best possible health advice and do what is right for the interests of their citizens and the broad Australian population and I believe all states and territories are always trying to do that.”
But they seem to be doing a running total on the deaths, not those in the latest episode.
Victoria appears to be doing a count for the 24 hour period.
It would be useful if they all did them similarly, I think.
¿ you mean have some kind of well organised national system ?
LOL
also
maybe instead of “lives lost” they should just cut to the chase and call it “welfare no longer needing to be paid” for The Economy Must Grow that kind of thing
But they seem to be doing a running total on the deaths, not those in the latest episode.
Victoria appears to be doing a count for the 24 hour period.
It would be useful if they all did them similarly, I think.
¿ you mean have some kind of well organised national system ?
LOL
also
maybe instead of “lives lost” they should just cut to the chase and call it “welfare no longer needing to be paid” for The Economy Must Grow that kind of thing
If we were a kind of well organised national system we wouldn’t be a federation.
‘The Boomers’ pre-Olympics exhibition game with the United States in Las Vegas has been cancelled because of coronavirus-related issues.’
‘The US confirmed Washington Wizards star Bradley Beal had withdrawn from the Tokyo Olympics after being placed into health and safety protocols.
The team also said another player was under a COVID-19 cloud.’
‘Out of an abundance of caution, the USA men’s national team exhibition versus Australia on Friday has been cancelled,” USA Basketball said in a statement.’
Remember how it was all the rage to (spuriously) claim that telling people to wear masks would increase their risk taking behaviours and somehow capture more pathogens and therefore lead to more and worse infection¿ Something they called “risk compensation“¿ Something a whole bunch of government officials all over the world in various governments bought into (for whatever reason)¿
Then all of a sudden the magic quicksilver bullet vaccines came along and everyone was 190% protected so they were advised to throw down their masks and party like the world was about to end¿
Well, apparently now they don’t want the world to end¡
Los Angeles County will again require masks be worn indoors in the nation’s largest county, even by those vaccinated against the coronavirus, while the University of California system also said Thursday that students, faculty and staff must be inoculated against the disease to return to campuses. The announcements come amid a sharp increase in virus cases, many of them the highly transmissible delta variant that has proliferated since California fully reopened its economy on June 15 and did away with capacity limits and social distancing. The vast majority of new cases are among unvaccinated people. The rapid and sustained increase in cases in Los Angeles County requires restoring an indoor mask mandate, said Dr. Muntu Davis, public health officer for the county’s 10 million people.
Just a month ago, Los Angeles County and the rest of California celebrated a long-awaited reopening, marking the tremendous progress made in the battle against COVID-19 by lifting virtually all restrictions on businesses and other public spaces. Now, the coronavirus is resurgent, and the nation’s most-populous county is scrambling to beat back the pandemic’s latest charge. Starting Saturday night, residents will again be required to wear masks in indoor public spaces, regardless of their vaccination status. The latest order not only puts the county further at odds with both the California Department of Public Health and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — both of which continue to maintain that vaccinated people need not cover their faces indoors — but puts officials in the precarious position of asking the inoculated to forfeit one of the benefits recently enjoyed.
Evidently normal people are highly susceptible to risk compensation (despite a Faucity* of evidence against it), but Glorious Overlords are completely immune.
Except they weren’t.
*: sorry we’re also being ironic here within an already ironic line
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So we’ve refined our perspective on risk compensation. Previously we were thinking and saying “fuck no, wearing a mask isn’t going to make people become raving virus clusterbombs, what a stupid idea”. The obvious evidence makes us now have to refine / qualify that. Something like
{appropriately informed people with rational decision-making behaviour} are unlikely to {exhibit paradoxical risk compensation effects}, in other words, effectively {negative feedback with a gain of greater than 1} on their risk reduction behaviours,
— but —
if they are given misleading estimates of the risk reduction behaviour (example: getting vaccinated) and corresponding poor advice, then the result may well be a gain of greater than 1 on the actual risk reduction (versus the misleading estimated reduction)
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
we feel like the hindsight comment were sarcastique
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
Can I “click and collect” a haircut?
I can’t see why not after all the song says click go the shears
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
we feel like the hindsight comment were sarcastique
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
we feel like the hindsight comment were sarcastique
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
we feel like the hindsight comment were sarcastique
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
i’m staying with the media are no small player in softening the objective of elimination, I don’t see that they haven’t played a substantial part in that
the error has been to essentially confuse group immunity (through vaccination) with opening things up (letting the virus go wild), which amounts to manufacturing a threat to increase the appetite for vaccinations (rate of uptake)
that dynamic lends to broader deceptions that creep into other things
Can teachers and childcare workers go out to work in those communities? Are they exempt?
Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant:
“What we’re saying is aged care, disability care workers .”
“Clearly we have learned from home environments in schools. I want very much reassure the community that healthcare staff can move, emergency services workers can move and aged care, they will be subject to the three daily swabs and if anyone has got any symptoms, do not attend work.”
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So if the teachers can’t go to school, nor childcare workers to work, where do the children of the healthcare, emergency services and aged care go?
Can teachers and childcare workers go out to work in those communities? Are they exempt?
Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant:
“What we’re saying is aged care, disability care workers .”
“Clearly we have learned from home environments in schools. I want very much reassure the community that healthcare staff can move, emergency services workers can move and aged care, they will be subject to the three daily swabs and if anyone has got any symptoms, do not attend work.”
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So if the teachers can’t go to school, nor childcare workers to work, where do the children of the healthcare, emergency services and aged care go?
Can teachers and childcare workers go out to work in those communities? Are they exempt?
Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant:
“What we’re saying is aged care, disability care workers .”
“Clearly we have learned from home environments in schools. I want very much reassure the community that healthcare staff can move, emergency services workers can move and aged care, they will be subject to the three daily swabs and if anyone has got any symptoms, do not attend work.”
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So if the teachers can’t go to school, nor childcare workers to work, where do the children of the healthcare, emergency services and aged care go?
Curious, from Victoria.
Oh, the quote is from the ABC live updates.
this is one of the reasons why Marky McG kept schools and childcare centres open for the last week of this term while we had a snap lockdown… but there were also directives to teachers in schools not to penalise students if they didn’t attend for that week. (WRT testing and absences)
Can teachers and childcare workers go out to work in those communities? Are they exempt?
Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant:
“What we’re saying is aged care, disability care workers .”
“Clearly we have learned from home environments in schools. I want very much reassure the community that healthcare staff can move, emergency services workers can move and aged care, they will be subject to the three daily swabs and if anyone has got any symptoms, do not attend work.”
———————————————————————————————————-
So if the teachers can’t go to school, nor childcare workers to work, where do the children of the healthcare, emergency services and aged care go?
Curious, from Victoria.
Oh, the quote is from the ABC live updates.
this is one of the reasons why Marky McG kept schools and childcare centres open for the last week of this term while we had a snap lockdown… but there were also directives to teachers in schools not to penalise students if they didn’t attend for that week. (WRT testing and absences)
Yes, in Vic the healthcare workers children went to school.
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
Can I “click and collect” a haircut?
Forgive me if I got this wrong, but weren’t you around in the swinging sixties?
And you think that a haircut might count as an “essential service”?????????
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
Can I “click and collect” a haircut?
I can’t see why not after all the song says click go the shears
Our Glad: “You don’t have to go to work unless you have to, but if your boss says you have to go to work, he’ll get fined. But you’re not allowed to go to work if you’re on a construction site until 31st July. But non essential shops can do click and collect,…”
Me: “So they’ll have to go to work if they’re gunna do that, and I’ll have to go out to collect my click.?”
Our Glad” “And those of you who are playing in the match this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you’re not getting your hair cut, unless you’ve got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you’ve had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. Now…”
Me: “My younger brother’s going out with Dibble this weekend, Miss Gladys, but I’m not having my hair cut today, Miss. So, do I move my clothes down, or…”
Our Glad: “I do wish you’d listen, It’s perfectly simple. If you’re not getting your hair cut, you don’t have to move your brother’s clothes down to the lower peg. You simply collect his note before lunch, after you’ve done your scripture prep, when you’ve written your letter home, before rest, move your own clothes onto the lower peg, greet the visitors, and report to Mr. Hazzard that you’ve had your chit signed”
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
i’m staying with the media are no small player in softening the objective of elimination, I don’t see that they haven’t played a substantial part in that
the error has been to essentially confuse group immunity (through vaccination) with opening things up (letting the virus go wild), which amounts to manufacturing a threat to increase the appetite for vaccinations (rate of uptake)
that dynamic lends to broader deceptions that creep into other things
There comes a point where the vaccination resistant portions of the community really do have to be forced to either comply or live with the virus as we open up.
It’s now “health orders”. Along the lines of “Please, please just stay at home. If you don’t have to go out, then please, please just stay at home”, repeated ad infinitum.
What is “have to go out”? She didn’t say.
She did mumble a few times about “click and collect”, hey what but.
Can I “click and collect” a haircut?
I can’t see why not after all the song says click go the shears
Our Glad: “You don’t have to go to work unless you have to, but if your boss says you have to go to work, he’ll get fined. But you’re not allowed to go to work if you’re on a construction site until 31st July. But non essential shops can do click and collect,…”
Me: “So they’ll have to go to work if they’re gunna do that, and I’ll have to go out to collect my click.?”
Our Glad” “And those of you who are playing in the match this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you’re not getting your hair cut, unless you’ve got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you’ve had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. Now…”
Me: “My younger brother’s going out with Dibble this weekend, Miss Gladys, but I’m not having my hair cut today, Miss. So, do I move my clothes down, or…”
Our Glad: “I do wish you’d listen, It’s perfectly simple. If you’re not getting your hair cut, you don’t have to move your brother’s clothes down to the lower peg. You simply collect his note before lunch, after you’ve done your scripture prep, when you’ve written your letter home, before rest, move your own clothes onto the lower peg, greet the visitors, and report to Mr. Hazzard that you’ve had your chit signed”
It seems I didn’t expect the effectiveness of the initial lockdown, or the appearance of variants extending the pandemic.
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The following is a prediction based on previous and current events. Note that I am completely unqualified and my initial wild guesses are just placeholders until further information is provided by the better informed on this page.
I will edit/update it as required.
Please add any other important relevant events.
Covid timeline estimate(Australia)
Odds of recession: 70%
Odds of depression: 10%
10,000 infected: April 10th 2020
100,000 infected: June 1st 2020
Shut down of usual business: April 1st 2020
Hospital ICUs overwhelmed: April 1st 2020
Deaths overtaking Flu deaths: June 1st 2020
50% of the population infected: Jun 1st 2021
Reduction in new cases: July 1st 2020
Reduction in deaths: Sept 1st 2020
Return to normal for business: Sept 2020
Return to normal for sports: Dec 2020
Return to normal for airlines: June 2021
*Return to normal will be hard to quantify.
Happy to be corrected.
I was talking to a local truckie’s wife yesterday and apparently B has to be tested every three days. Cattle/sheep trucks. It just occurred to me that as we have quite a lot of truckies around here, there is a sort of de facto checking going on about whether the virus is in this district all the time if they are all being tested so much.
i think it is more a case of no forward planning having a good idea of what might happen. Just as the article states. they had a good idea this might happen. they have the resources to know this. they were slack.
i’m staying with the media are no small player in softening the objective of elimination, I don’t see that they haven’t played a substantial part in that
the error has been to essentially confuse group immunity (through vaccination) with opening things up (letting the virus go wild), which amounts to manufacturing a threat to increase the appetite for vaccinations (rate of uptake)
that dynamic lends to broader deceptions that creep into other things
There comes a point where the vaccination resistant portions of the community really do have to be forced to either comply or live with the virus as we open up.
I think inevitability is your friend, possibly your best friend when convenient, which is a long way removed from an egalitarian ethic
i’m staying with the media are no small player in softening the objective of elimination, I don’t see that they haven’t played a substantial part in that
the error has been to essentially confuse group immunity (through vaccination) with opening things up (letting the virus go wild), which amounts to manufacturing a threat to increase the appetite for vaccinations (rate of uptake)
that dynamic lends to broader deceptions that creep into other things
There comes a point where the vaccination resistant portions of the community really do have to be forced to either comply or live with the virus as we open up.
I think inevitability is your friend, possibly your best friend when convenient, which is a long way removed from an egalitarian ethic
What’s egalitarian about society being held hostage by a small minority?
There comes a point where the vaccination resistant portions of the community really do have to be forced to either comply or live with the virus as we open up.
I think inevitability is your friend, possibly your best friend when convenient, which is a long way removed from an egalitarian ethic
What’s egalitarian about society being held hostage by a small minority?
I said egalitarian ethic, which is about strong social norms but them not being imposed on any member of the moral community
you mentioned forced, and either proposition as you put it really involves people being forced into something
just hold that, you used the word forced, you weren’t confused about that, it was clear
you’ve also assumed (seems to me) you know the status of the disease after some level of group immunity is established (herd immunity), and the disease is let go wild, as if those two things do define the (status of) disease, which you can’t know, so i’m calling arrogance hiding behind inevitability, and probably contempt
I was talking to a local truckie’s wife yesterday and apparently B has to be tested every three days. Cattle/sheep trucks. It just occurred to me that as we have quite a lot of truckies around here, there is a sort of de facto checking going on about whether the virus is in this district all the time if they are all being tested so much.
I think inevitability is your friend, possibly your best friend when convenient, which is a long way removed from an egalitarian ethic
What’s egalitarian about society being held hostage by a small minority?
I said egalitarian ethic, which is about strong social norms but them not being imposed on any member of the moral community
you mentioned forced, and either proposition as you put it really involves people being forced into something
just hold that, you used the word forced, you weren’t confused about that, it was clear
you’ve also assumed (seems to me) you know the status of the disease after some level of group immunity is established (herd immunity), and the disease is let go wild, as if those two things do define the (status of) disease, which you can’t know, so i’m calling arrogance hiding behind inevitability, and probably contempt
Individuals are forced to comply with the dictates of wider society in any manner of ways. In fact being subject to the law is the very basis of the social contract. If people choose to not get vaccinated they will be forced to take responsibility for their actions by acquiescing to an increased risk of Covid and any concurrent illness or death.
You are equally presuming to know the nature of the disease in the future and insist that you know better than any number of epidemiologists who advocate living with the virus with perhaps yearly booster shots for the latest variants. It might not matter to you in your bubble if wider society is constrained because of your actions but a great many people want to return to life pre-covid and accept the risks of what that entails. Also your presumption that you speak for others is just as arrogant as what you accuse me of.
clearly there are a variety of expert opinions out there and apparently it’s for the blastopores of society to pick and choose which experts to listen to
we choose to listen to the health experts who prioritise health
I obviously missed the nuancing of the facemasks stuff in Victoria with the new lockdown. (From the government site) We’ve just been putting them on to go inside a shop. Mind you, haven’t really been out much in the last two days anyway.
Face masks must be worn indoors and outdoors by anyone aged 12 years and over, whenever you leave your home – unless a lawful exception applies.
Face masks do not need to be worn indoors or outdoors if you are working alone.
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I wonder where?
They’ll let us know.
Sure.
Such utterly selfish and irresponsible people. I just don’t get it.
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I wonder where?
What is wrong with people? Whenever you have a test you are told to go straight home and stay there until the result is known. If is comes back Covid-positive, you are contacted directly by health staff who provide further instructions to you. The time I needed to wait after my test for my result (on Wednesday) was 10 hours.
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I wonder where?
What is wrong with people? Whenever you have a test you are told to go straight home and stay there until the result is known. If is comes back Covid-positive, you are contacted directly by health staff who provide further instructions to you. The time I needed to wait after my test for my result (on Wednesday) was 10 hours.
We had to wait 8 hours for our test results.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I wonder where?
What is wrong with people? Whenever you have a test you are told to go straight home and stay there until the result is known. If is comes back Covid-positive, you are contacted directly by health staff who provide further instructions to you. The time I needed to wait after my test for my result (on Wednesday) was 10 hours.
We had to wait 8 hours for our test results.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
What is wrong with people? Whenever you have a test you are told to go straight home and stay there until the result is known. If is comes back Covid-positive, you are contacted directly by health staff who provide further instructions to you. The time I needed to wait after my test for my result (on Wednesday) was 10 hours.
We had to wait 8 hours for our test results.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
What is wrong with people? Whenever you have a test you are told to go straight home and stay there until the result is known. If is comes back Covid-positive, you are contacted directly by health staff who provide further instructions to you. The time I needed to wait after my test for my result (on Wednesday) was 10 hours.
We had to wait 8 hours for our test results.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
These lads knew they were positive, but continued to work. Now there are exposure sites in several places in regional NSW. Irresponsible in the extreme.
True of the removalists that spread COVID to Victoria. I don’t see anything about these lads.
She was talking about the Molong removalists, not the ones that travelled to Victoria.
Do you have a reference?
Only what you posted earlier …
Michael V said:
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
Holy heck!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100301370
“Potential exposure in Northern NSW
Dr Chant said today:
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
She was talking about the Molong removalists, not the ones that travelled to Victoria.
Do you have a reference?
Only what you posted earlier …
Michael V said:
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
Holy heck!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100301370
“Potential exposure in Northern NSW
Dr Chant said today:
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I assumed these were the same cases.
Ta.
I think that’s an early iteration. I’m sure they wouldn’t‘ve been charged if they didn’t know.
This is the complete (an seemingly finalised) news article:
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
Holy heck!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100301370
“Potential exposure in Northern NSW
Dr Chant said today:
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I assumed these were the same cases.
Ta.
I think that’s an early iteration. I’m sure they wouldn’t‘ve been charged if they didn’t know.
This is the complete (an seemingly finalised) news article:
And Mr buffy, ever the one to point out the road less travelled, mused on whether they were working for the same company as the three who went through Vic and SA…
“Breaking: Police have charged three removalists who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm yesterday, officers spoke to four men in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
These men are not the removalists that travelled from NSW to Victoria, sparking an outbreak there.
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”“
Holy heck!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100301370
“Potential exposure in Northern NSW
Dr Chant said today:
“We had three of today’s cases, are people who travel to Molong in the state’s Central West in the 16th of July and what happened is, we found the results of their testing and called them when they were just about to conclude some of their business. Unfortunately, those people had also worked in the Northern New South Wales on the 15th, and we will be releasing any information that is relevant about that. We’re just ascertaining some additional data.”“
I assumed these were the same cases.
Ta.
I think that’s an early iteration. I’m sure they wouldn’t‘ve been charged if they didn’t know.
This is the complete (an seemingly finalised) news article:
so now Chairman Dan has an astrologer as advisor this is going to go very nicely
Professor Sutton said “You might as well read a horoscope to be able to predict how things might look … events are becoming more common with the Delta variant.”
so now Chairman Dan has an astrologer as advisor this is going to go very nicely
Professor Sutton said “You might as well read a horoscope to be able to predict how things might look … events are becoming more common with the Delta variant.”
British celebrity currently in Sydney’s hotel quarantine has labelled lockdown “bulls**t” and is openly mocking safety rules.
Katie Hopkins, once dubbed “the world’s most hated woman”, is rumoured to have flown into Australia to appear on Big Brother.
The 46-year-old far-right political commentator took to Instagram Live at 5am on Saturday to “call out” the Sydney and Melbourne lockdowns.
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Jesus Christ who else is on this fking show
Send her back home. She can fuck off.
Alternatively, let her spout her crappy flap-twaddle, and demonstrate that she does it only because she’s either just seeking notoriety/publicity, or because she’s a genuine shit-brained loony.
British celebrity currently in Sydney’s hotel quarantine has labelled lockdown “bulls**t” and is openly mocking safety rules.
Katie Hopkins, once dubbed “the world’s most hated woman”, is rumoured to have flown into Australia to appear on Big Brother.
The 46-year-old far-right political commentator took to Instagram Live at 5am on Saturday to “call out” the Sydney and Melbourne lockdowns.
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Jesus Christ who else is on this fking show
Send her back home. She can fuck off.
Alternatively, let her spout her crappy flap-twaddle, and demonstrate that she does it only because she’s either just seeking notoriety/publicity, or because she’s a genuine shit-brained loony.
Why do we need to import foreign shit-brained loonnies? They are taking the job off locals.
British celebrity currently in Sydney’s hotel quarantine has labelled lockdown “bulls**t” and is openly mocking safety rules.
Katie Hopkins, once dubbed “the world’s most hated woman”, is rumoured to have flown into Australia to appear on Big Brother.
The 46-year-old far-right political commentator took to Instagram Live at 5am on Saturday to “call out” the Sydney and Melbourne lockdowns.
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Jesus Christ who else is on this fking show
Send her back home. She can fuck off.
Alternatively, let her spout her crappy flap-twaddle, and demonstrate that she does it only because she’s either just seeking notoriety/publicity, or because she’s a genuine shit-brained loony.
……. and the producers of that show will be rubbing their hand with glee. The thing will rate it’s head off. Perhaps Caitlin Jenner might like to show us her tits as well, seeing she’s here for the same reason. What a ratings bonanza that would be.
If they break the rules, then deport them both. That’ll learn the producers and their cheap (free) publicity stunts.
Alternatively, let her spout her crappy flap-twaddle, and demonstrate that she does it only because she’s either just seeking notoriety/publicity, or because she’s a genuine shit-brained loony.
Why do we need to import foreign shit-brained loonnies? They are taking the job off locals.
Cultural cringe.
We lack confidence in home-grown ratbaggery.
We like it when people from ‘the old world’ drop in and tell us how to be stupid.
Alternatively, let her spout her crappy flap-twaddle, and demonstrate that she does it only because she’s either just seeking notoriety/publicity, or because she’s a genuine shit-brained loony.
……. and the producers of that show will be rubbing their hand with glee. The thing will rate it’s head off. Perhaps Caitlin Jenner might like to show us her tits as well, seeing she’s here for the same reason. What a ratings bonanza that would be.
If they break the rules, then deport them both. That’ll learn the producers and their cheap (free) publicity stunts.
Alternatively, let her spout her crappy flap-twaddle, and demonstrate that she does it only because she’s either just seeking notoriety/publicity, or because she’s a genuine shit-brained loony.
Why do we need to import foreign shit-brained loonnies? They are taking the job off locals.
Cultural cringe.
We lack confidence in home-grown ratbaggery.
We like it when people from ‘the old world’ drop in and tell us how to be stupid.
Last year’s Big Brother people were locked up for a while and were unaware of Covid and what was happening in the world. I remember them being gathered together and told what was happening.
Last year’s Big Brother people were locked up for a while and were unaware of Covid and what was happening in the world. I remember them being gathered together and told what was happening.
and was the announcement met with incredulity and conspiracy theoretics and an unshakeable belief that it was all fabricated for the purposes of the show
Because I am a reasonable person I did give reality TV a second chance. I saw two episodes of Married at first sight in 2021. Apart from the stupid and offensive premise the main thing wrong with it was that every single contestant was just a terrible person: boring, clawing self-important dickheads you’d not want to spend a minute with much less a lifetime.
anyway we apologise for bringing you all crashing back down to our doom and gloom alarmist scaremongering but these liars at the Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre
are telling us that when ICU is full, 1 patient with severe covid19 requiring invasive ventilation (which up till now has been about 60% of the 37500 ppl admitted to England, Wales & NI) cancels 10-20 heart/major cancer surgeries
we mean who cares right, at least those heart disease and cancer victims (probably brought it on themselves by eating shit and smoking) won’t be dying of COVID-19 so the numbers will keep looking good
You get to know people pretty well when one sleeps 90cm above you, another sleeps 90cm below you, a third sleeps 50 cm away from your head, and a fourth 50 cm away from your feet.
And you took them as you found them.
And, while the distribution of ‘types’ reflected that of society at large, i found that some of the ones who were…different…were the most…‘interesting’.
They had their preferences, i had mine. What they did ashore was their business, as what i did was mine.
But, to live alongside, work alongside…great people. As was just about everyone else.
You get to know people pretty well when one sleeps 90cm above you, another sleeps 90cm below you, a third sleeps 50 cm away from your head, and a fourth 50 cm away from your feet.
And you took them as you found them.
And, while the distribution of ‘types’ reflected that of society at large, i found that some of the ones who were…different…were the most…‘interesting’.
They had their preferences, i had mine. What they did ashore was their business, as what i did was mine.
But, to live alongside, work alongside…great people. As was just about everyone else.
So what are you saying? Are you saying it should be “Farmer Wants a Sailor”?
You get to know people pretty well when one sleeps 90cm above you, another sleeps 90cm below you, a third sleeps 50 cm away from your head, and a fourth 50 cm away from your feet.
And you took them as you found them.
And, while the distribution of ‘types’ reflected that of society at large, i found that some of the ones who were…different…were the most…‘interesting’.
They had their preferences, i had mine. What they did ashore was their business, as what i did was mine.
But, to live alongside, work alongside…great people. As was just about everyone else.
You get to know people pretty well when one sleeps 90cm above you, another sleeps 90cm below you, a third sleeps 50 cm away from your head, and a fourth 50 cm away from your feet.
And you took them as you found them.
And, while the distribution of ‘types’ reflected that of society at large, i found that some of the ones who were…different…were the most…‘interesting’.
They had their preferences, i had mine. What they did ashore was their business, as what i did was mine.
But, to live alongside, work alongside…great people. As was just about everyone else.
So what are you saying? Are you saying it should be “Farmer Wants a Sailor”?
‘Farmer Wants A Chartered Accountant’, i don’t care.
Just drop the Alice In Wonderland scripted format.
You get to know people pretty well when one sleeps 90cm above you, another sleeps 90cm below you, a third sleeps 50 cm away from your head, and a fourth 50 cm away from your feet.
And you took them as you found them.
And, while the distribution of ‘types’ reflected that of society at large, i found that some of the ones who were…different…were the most…‘interesting’.
They had their preferences, i had mine. What they did ashore was their business, as what i did was mine.
But, to live alongside, work alongside…great people. As was just about everyone else.
Learn SCIENCE technology?
Such good sailors. They even hang out their own washing.
You get to know people pretty well when one sleeps 90cm above you, another sleeps 90cm below you, a third sleeps 50 cm away from your head, and a fourth 50 cm away from your feet.
And you took them as you found them.
And, while the distribution of ‘types’ reflected that of society at large, i found that some of the ones who were…different…were the most…‘interesting’.
They had their preferences, i had mine. What they did ashore was their business, as what i did was mine.
But, to live alongside, work alongside…great people. As was just about everyone else.
Learn SCIENCE technology?
Such good sailors. They even hang out their own washing.
Such good sailors. They even hang out their own washing.
I wondered how they did that.
In the olden days, there was an order to ‘air bedding’ when the weather was favourable.
Hammocks and hammock mattresses (mattresses about 5 cm thick, usually of calico stuffed with horsehair) would be brought up from the messdecks, and hung over the guardrails to air out.
Instructions were that the bedding was to be arranged in an orderly manner, with no ‘holidays’ (gaps) between the items to be seen.
Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns
The efficacy of a drug being promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19 is in serious doubt after a major study suggesting the treatment is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”.
A medical student in London, Jack Lawrence, was among the first to identify serious concerns about the paper, leading to the retraction. He first became aware of the Elgazzar preprint when it was assigned to him by one of his lecturers for an assignment that formed part of his master’s degree. He found the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised.
It appeared that the authors had run entire paragraphs from press releases and websites about ivermectin and Covid-19 through a thesaurus to change key words. “Humorously, this led to them changing ‘severe acute respiratory syndrome’ to ‘extreme intense respiratory syndrome’ on one occasion,” Lawrence said.
The data also looked suspicious to Lawrence, with the raw data apparently contradicting the study protocol on several occasions.
“The authors claimed they conducted the study between the 8th of June and 20th of September 2020, however most of the patients who died were admitted into hospital and died before the 8th of June according to the raw data. The data was also terribly formatted, and includes one patient who left hospital on the non-existent date of 31/06/2020.”
“The main error is that at least 79 of the patient records are obvious clones of other records,” Brown told the Guardian. “It’s certainly the hardest to explain away as innocent error, especially since the clones aren’t even pure copies. There are signs that they have tried to change one or two fields to make them look more natural.”
Kyle Sheldrick, a Sydney doctor and researcher, also independently raised concerns about the paper. He found numbers the authors provided for several standard deviations – a measure of variation in a group of data points – mentioned in tables in the paper were “mathematically impossible” given the range of numbers provided in the same table.
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You have to wonder sometimes aside from the terrible consequences of disinformation do these authors simply do it for a laugh, or even maybe are they going way out there to plant the biggest pile of enaitch for enno three under the crackport so that when all the crazies out there actually have their evidence examined, it blows up in their faces taking half the town with it.
Such good sailors. They even hang out their own washing.
I wondered how they did that.
In the olden days, there was an order to ‘air bedding’ when the weather was favourable.
Hammocks and hammock mattresses (mattresses about 5 cm thick, usually of calico stuffed with horsehair) would be brought up from the messdecks, and hung over the guardrails to air out.
Instructions were that the bedding was to be arranged in an orderly manner, with no ‘holidays’ (gaps) between the items to be seen.
Bennett: ‘Vaccines on their own won’t solve the problem’
“Anyone who hoped that vaccines on their own would solve the problem — they won’t,” Bennett said at the meeting attended by ministers, health officials, national security council members, police and the military. “Delta is surging” all over the world, he said. “On the one hand the vaccines are effective against the virus, and so we are making sure we have the necessary stocks. But vaccines alone are not enough.
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we also make no comment on the other things said either side
Nurse Lynnsie Gough tried to hang on, but in the end, the workload and sorrow of COVID-19 were more than she could bear. “It just kept getting worse and worse,” Ms. Gough, 35, said of her job as an intensive-care nurse at a hospital in Ontario’s Niagara area. “I was having anxiety attacks where I would feel or be physically ill. I felt like I was going off to war or prison every day going into work.” The only way to preserve her well-being, Ms. Gough concluded, was to quit.
The nursing shortage, a long-standing problem exacerbated by COVID-19, is now forcing some hospitals to close beds temporarily, scale back emergency-department hours over the summer and delay the full reopening of operating rooms. In Ontario, the government has begun offering bonuses as high as $75,000 to attract experienced, out-of-province critical-care nurses to strapped hospitals.
“We see new, fresh nurses come in for orientation who decide not to stay because they see the quality of life they’re being offered is terrible.” Shazma Mithani, an emergency physician at Royal Alexandra, said that in the seven years she’s worked as an attending physician at the hospital, she has “never seen anything like this before, ever.” Her hospital is closing a minimum of six of the emergency department’s 27 acute-care beds for the summer because it can’t fill nursing shifts, Dr. Mithani said.
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oh what was that now they’re going to cost bonuses instead just to keep the remaining ones we knew it The Economy Must Grow Subject To Market Forces shock horror
Australians vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab face potential problems visiting Europe, thanks to a quirk in the European Union’s vaccine approval process.
Despite the Aussie-made vaccine being identical to those made in Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK, it’s not technically authorised in Europe because AstraZeneca hasn’t registered CSL’s Melbourne facility with the European drugs regulator.
Facilities in the USA, Korea and even China have all been registered but the European Medicines Agency has confirmed the labs pumping out millions of doses in India and Australia haven’t been registered.
This has left 5 million Brits and millions of others vaccinated with the Indian-made vaccine, in India and throughout Africa, facing uncertainty.
9News.com.au has confirmed that Australians vaccinated with AstraZeneca are in the same boat.
The EU’s COVID-19 certificate allows EU residents to move freely in the 27-nation bloc as long as they have been vaccinated with one of the four shots authorised by the EMA, have a fresh negative test, or have proof they recently recovered from the virus.
But European Commission spokesman for health, food safety and transport Stefan De Keersmaecker said countries were not required to issue certificates for vaccines not authorised on their territory.
“When it comes to the EU Digital Certificate, there are two possible ways of recognising certificates for travellers from abroad,” he told 9News.com.au.
“First, where the national health system allows for it, member states may issue an EU Digital COVID certificate on a case by case basis for persons vaccinated in a third country with a vaccine that has been authorised in the EU or that has been listed by the WHO for emergency use.
“It is for member states to verify if the holder presents reliable proof of such a vaccination.”
The second option involves the commission centrally approving another country’s vaccine certificate, if technical limitations allow.
Australian-made AstraZeneca has been approved for WHO emergency use and as many as 15 EU countries have reportedly already decided to recognise the Indian-made jab but France, Italy and Croatia are among the holdouts.
AstraZeneca told 9News it was working with global partners to get more production sites approved by the EMA World Health Organisation and other regulators.
But it wouldn’t confirm whether or not that process was underway for the Melbourne lab.
“It should be noted that all AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine doses meet the same rigorous quality standards no matter where they are made as each batch passes over 60 quality tests as part of our robust quality assurance process,” an AstraZeneca spokeswoman said.
The Serum Institute of India told the UK Telegraph it was likely to take weeks to resolve the issue, dealing with countries on an individual level.
With the majority of Australians banned from leaving the country, the red tape is unlikely to affect many travel plans in the near future but may need to be addressed before international travel resumes.
Police charge men who allegedly travelled from Sydney to regional NSW despite knowing they had COVID-19
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Police have charged three men who allegedly knew they had COVID-19 but still travelled from Sydney to the state’s Central West.
Just after 2:30pm on Friday, officers spoke to four men — two aged 27, one aged 21 and one aged 49 — in Molong, about 300km from Sydney, after receiving information they had travelled from West Hoxton, in the Liverpool local government area (LGA).
The Liverpool LGA, in Sydney’s south-west, has been identified as an area of particular concern in NSW’s outbreak of the Delta COVID-19 variant.
The men were working as removalists.
It will be alleged the younger three men made the journey despite being notified they had tested positive for the virus.
Police Minister David Elliott said: “We know that the Delta variant is highly transmissible, and it is unfathomable to think that, with all the public information and health warnings, people could so blatantly ignore the health orders.”
Before travelling to Molong, police say the men went to Figtree in the Illawarra region, and also stopped in South Bowenfels and Orange.
“This thoughtless act has now placed our regional communities in NSW at the greatest risk so far with this pandemic,” Mr Elliott said.
NSW Police Deputy Commissioner Gary Worboys said officers would “ramp up” their presence in Greater Sydney to ensure compliance with stay-at-home orders.
Their focus will still be in the LGAs of Fairfield, Canterbury-Bankstown and Liverpool, in the city’s south-west.
Several public health orders designed to combat COVID-19 will be strengthened from 11:59pm tonight after 111 new infections were announced in the NSW government’s most recent update.
Under the new restrictions, people in the LGAs of Canterbury-Bankstown, Liverpool and Fairfield will not be able to leave that area for work.
The only people who will be able to leave those LGAs for work are essential health and emergency service workers.
Eighty-three of the new cases were in the South Western Sydney Local Health District.
On Friday, 162 personal infringements notices were issued and Deputy Commissioner Worboys said it was disappointing to see so many people breaking the rules.
“Currently, we are seeing millions of people right across this state doing the right thing being let down by a small minority who continue to be irresponsible and put themselves and their communities at risk,” he said.
“Today’s strengthening of the health orders means that people will have to change the way that they behave.”
Canterbury-Bankstown Mayor Khal Asfour’s LGA is impacted by the latest health orders.
He said it was a worry the number of cases in his area were continuing to increase and blames the government for not acting sooner to protect his community.
While the current COVID-19 outbreak in NSW began in Bondi, it is now centered in the city’s south-west.
“Clearly if the Premier had shut down the eastern suburbs weeks ago with a harder lockdown we would not be in this situation we’re in now,” Mr Asfour said.
“I think the horse has bolted and we’re doing our best as a community but we need to be all in this together not parts of Sydney treated differently than others.”
Mr Asfour said his community had had a “gutful of the finger pointing” and the “blaming”.
“Our community has heeded the message we are doing the right thing but unfortunately because of the flip-flopping of this government, because of the policy on the run and the decisions they’re making we’ve been treated unfairly,” Mr Asfour said.
This is actually an interesting experiment. It would appear that opening up in the Netherlands has resulted in increased people testing positive but as yet not great run on the hospitals or morgues.
“While the spike in infections had not resulted in a significant increase in hospitalisations, Mr de Jonge said that could be threatened by the “unprecedented” rise in cases, and the government had no option but to reintroduce restrictions on hospitality.”
This is actually an interesting experiment. It would appear that opening up in the Netherlands has resulted in increased people testing positive but as yet not great run on the hospitals or morgues.
“While the spike in infections had not resulted in a significant increase in hospitalisations, Mr de Jonge said that could be threatened by the “unprecedented” rise in cases, and the government had no option but to reintroduce restrictions on hospitality.”
And thinking about that a bit further, they opened up on 26th June, so basically 3 weeks…it should have hit the hospitals by now. They do have a fair rate of vaccination with 2/3 of adults double dosed.
