And about time
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/15/former-nationals-president-says-recycling-barnaby-joyce-may-lead-to-more-women-leaving-party
Bogsnorkler said:
And about timehttps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/15/former-nationals-president-says-recycling-barnaby-joyce-may-lead-to-more-women-leaving-party
All the women knew that.
Aus Politics IV: the journey home
dv said:
Aus Politics IV: the journey home
save the whales
dv said:
Aus Politics IV: the journey home
Plis explaine?
Whose home?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Aus Politics IV: the journey home
save the whales
Esp the new south ones
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Aus Politics IV: the journey home
save the whales
Esp the new south ones
or the ones surrounding Cronulla?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/07/15/carpork-rorts-scott-morrison/
Pity to see him go. Seemed like he tried.
https://theconversation.com/view-from-the-hill-speaker-tony-smith-proponent-of-order-in-the-house-to-retire-at-election-164494
> recycling-barnaby-joyce
Garbage out garbage in.
That’s not how recycling is supposed to work.
https://theconversation.com/right-wing-shock-jock-stoush-reveals-the-awful-truth-about-covid-politics-and-media-ratings-164489
https://gizmodo.com/australian-prime-minister-says-he-didnt-shit-his-pants-1847296767/amp
*goes on 2GB to say he didn’t shit in his pants.
>>>Which brings Australia to where it is today, with just 9% of its population fully vaccinated—the worst vaccination rate among wealthy countries in the world. Compare that with over 48% of Americans fully vaccinated, and over 52% of British people.
—-
remember when we could point at the states and laugh?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/16/not-engaging-isnt-the-answer-australia-under-pressure-as-us-follows-eu-lead-on-carbon-tariffs
sarahs mum said:
https://gizmodo.com/australian-prime-minister-says-he-didnt-shit-his-pants-1847296767/amp*goes on 2GB to say he didn’t shit in his pants.
>>>Which brings Australia to where it is today, with just 9% of its population fully vaccinated—the worst vaccination rate among wealthy countries in the world. Compare that with over 48% of Americans fully vaccinated, and over 52% of British people.
—-
remember when we could point at the states and laugh?
dv said:
sorry for attending to other matters but what’s the executive summary of this episode
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
sorry for attending to other matters but what’s the executive summary of this episode
Mr Morrison and the radio duo continued to have a lighthearted conversation, with Jackie O attempting to get the PM to admit who was the “best premier”.
Then, as the conversation started to wind up, Mr Morrison said he wanted to address an old rumour the radio hosts had previously perpetuated.
“Can I clear up one thing from ages ago?” Mr Morrison asked.
The PM went on to address the longstanding rumour he had soiled himself at Engadine McDonald’s, in Sydney’s south, after his beloved Cronulla Sharks lost the grand final in 1997.
“It is the biggest urban myth ever, it is complete and utter rubbish,” Mr Morrison told the hosts today.
“I found the whole thing incredibly amusing, I always joke about it … it is absolute and total rubbish.”
“That you pooed your pants?” Jackie O asked, before Sandilands said it was “disappointing” the PM was quashing the rumour.
Jackie O joked the PM had really come on their show to clear up the Engadine rumour, as opposed to using the platform to broadcast the new coronavirus payments.
—-
Then, as the conversation started to wind up, Mr Morrison said he wanted to address an old rumour the radio hosts had previously perpetuated.
“Can I clear up one thing from ages ago?” Mr Morrison asked.
The PM went on to address the longstanding rumour he had soiled himself at Engadine McDonald’s, in Sydney’s south, after his beloved Cronulla Sharks lost the grand final in 1997.
—
Seems to be a particularly stupid ploy even for Scatt Morrison.
Coral and ocean scientists have described statements on coral bleaching from the government’s reef envoy, Warren Entsch, as “far-fetched” and “ill-informed” on the day he accompanied more than a dozen ambassadors on a snorkelling trip to the Great Barrier Reef.
Entsch told the ABC on Thursday warm water originating in the northern hemisphere and flowing across the Pacific to the reef was a chief cause of mass coral bleaching.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/16/scientists-dismiss-warren-entschs-claim-warm-water-from-northern-hemisphere-is-damaging-reef
Vying for a spot on celebrity big brother
dv said:
Coral and ocean scientists have described statements on coral bleaching from the government’s reef envoy, Warren Entsch, as “far-fetched” and “ill-informed” on the day he accompanied more than a dozen ambassadors on a snorkelling trip to the Great Barrier Reef.Entsch told the ABC on Thursday warm water originating in the northern hemisphere and flowing across the Pacific to the reef was a chief cause of mass coral bleaching.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/16/scientists-dismiss-warren-entschs-claim-warm-water-from-northern-hemisphere-is-damaging-reef
Vying for a spot on celebrity big brother
Ooh. the B ark version of Big Brother?
What fun.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Coral and ocean scientists have described statements on coral bleaching from the government’s reef envoy, Warren Entsch, as “far-fetched” and “ill-informed” on the day he accompanied more than a dozen ambassadors on a snorkelling trip to the Great Barrier Reef.Entsch told the ABC on Thursday warm water originating in the northern hemisphere and flowing across the Pacific to the reef was a chief cause of mass coral bleaching.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/16/scientists-dismiss-warren-entschs-claim-warm-water-from-northern-hemisphere-is-damaging-reef
Vying for a spot on celebrity big brother
Ooh. the B ark version of Big Brother?
What fun.
Worse than his B ight
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/19/australians-believe-states-managing-covid-pandemic-better-than-canberra-study-finds
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/07/18/carbon-border-tax-eu-australia/
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/07/18/ms-represented-julia-gillard/
The Poll Bludger
Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor
A trend of declining approval for Scott Morrison and the government’s management of COVID-19 starts to bite on voting intention, according to the latest Newspoll.
As reported by The Australian, the normally stable Newspoll series has recorded a solid bump in favour of Labor, who now lead 53-47 on two-party preferred, out from 51-49 at the previous poll three weeks ago. The Coalition and Labor are both on 39% of the primary vote, which is a two-point drop for the Coalition and a two-point gain for Labor, with the Greens down one to 10% and One Nation steady on 3%.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/07/18/newspoll-53-47-to-labor-7/
dv said:
The Poll BludgerNewspoll: 53-47 to Labor
A trend of declining approval for Scott Morrison and the government’s management of COVID-19 starts to bite on voting intention, according to the latest Newspoll.
As reported by The Australian, the normally stable Newspoll series has recorded a solid bump in favour of Labor, who now lead 53-47 on two-party preferred, out from 51-49 at the previous poll three weeks ago. The Coalition and Labor are both on 39% of the primary vote, which is a two-point drop for the Coalition and a two-point gain for Labor, with the Greens down one to 10% and One Nation steady on 3%.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/07/18/newspoll-53-47-to-labor-7/
No vote for you!
(this year anyway)
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
The Poll BludgerNewspoll: 53-47 to Labor
A trend of declining approval for Scott Morrison and the government’s management of COVID-19 starts to bite on voting intention, according to the latest Newspoll.
As reported by The Australian, the normally stable Newspoll series has recorded a solid bump in favour of Labor, who now lead 53-47 on two-party preferred, out from 51-49 at the previous poll three weeks ago. The Coalition and Labor are both on 39% of the primary vote, which is a two-point drop for the Coalition and a two-point gain for Labor, with the Greens down one to 10% and One Nation steady on 3%.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/07/18/newspoll-53-47-to-labor-7/
No vote for you!
(this year anyway)
don’t worry this will fix things
Eddie Obied, Ian Macdonald, Moses Obeid found guilty of mine licence conspiracy
On the so called Bludger Track the ALP is 3.8% ahead
dv said:
On the so called Bludger Track the ALP is 3.8% ahead
It’s not looking at all like an early election now.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
On the so called Bludger Track the ALP is 3.8% ahead
It’s not looking at all like an early election now.
Ah well, ten months at most.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
On the so called Bludger Track the ALP is 3.8% ahead
It’s not looking at all like an early election now.
Ah well, ten months at most.
Better sort out my enrolment then…
furious said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:It’s not looking at all like an early election now.
Ah well, ten months at most.
Better sort out my enrolment then…
sarahs mum said:
furious said:
dv said:Ah well, ten months at most.
Better sort out my enrolment then…
I would if I was you. they are likey to start tossing children overboard any time now..
That’s the UK …
… oh wait.
Good to get some insight into the unemployment figures
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/jul/20/how-fast-is-australias-economy-running-fiscal-and-monetary-stimulus-certainly-helps
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/20/voter-confidence-in-scott-morrisons-ability-to-manage-a-crisis-dives-as-three-quarters-say-he-plays-politics
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/nsw-future-of-gas-statement-released/100309812
It isn’t just the car park rortings.I
Kristina Keneally
19 July at 11:03 ·
This morning in Senate Estimates the Auditor confirmed to Katy Gallagher that the WHOLE $4bn Urban Congestion Fund lacks an open, transparent, competitive process or any government-to-government (state, local) process.
sarahs mum said:
It isn’t just the car park rortings.IKristina Keneally
19 July at 11:03 ·
This morning in Senate Estimates the Auditor confirmed to Katy Gallagher that the WHOLE $4bn Urban Congestion Fund lacks an open, transparent, competitive process or any government-to-government (state, local) process.
It was also revealed on Monday that the same staff member in the Prime Minister’s office who was involved in the so-called “sport rorts” affair was liaising with Mr Tudge’s team about the urban congestion projects.
While the wider urban congestion fund has not yet been closely examined by the audit office, officials agreed with Labor Senator Kristina Keneally’s assertion the scheme lacked a transparent, open process for allocating taxpayer funds.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7346109/coalition-targeted-top-20-marginal-seats-in-urban-congestion-fund/
For the first time in quite a while, Labor has shorter odds than the Coalition in the upcoming federal election.
The smart money is also saying that the election will be held in April or May of 2022.
If the odds for the Lishun ever get over 2.50, I’ll throw some money at it. They have rat cunning, on-side oligarchs and the ability to choose the election date.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/21/angry-bloviator-yells-at-capitalism-when-markets-fail-on-climate/
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/have-we-ever-been-led-by-a-worse-prime-minister-than-this-smirking-vacuum/
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/have-we-ever-been-led-by-a-worse-prime-minister-than-this-smirking-vacuum/
Fair question.
Stretching my mind back to the distant past, I’d suggest Sir Anthony Abbott.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/have-we-ever-been-led-by-a-worse-prime-minister-than-this-smirking-vacuum/
Fair question.
Stretching my mind back to the distant past, I’d suggest Sir Anthony Abbott.
He was certainly the most embarrassing.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/have-we-ever-been-led-by-a-worse-prime-minister-than-this-smirking-vacuum/
Anyone who thinks Crikey is an objective publication is nuts, it makes the Morning Star a must read to get both sides of current affairs.
Peak Warming Man said:
Crikey was described by former Federal Opposition Leader Mark Latham as the “most popular website in Parliament House” in The Latham Diaries.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/have-we-ever-been-led-by-a-worse-prime-minister-than-this-smirking-vacuum/
Anyone who thinks Crikey is an objective publication is nuts, it makes the Morning Star a must read to get both sides of current affairs.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:Crikey was described by former Federal Opposition Leader Mark Latham as the “most popular website in Parliament House” in The Latham Diaries.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/have-we-ever-been-led-by-a-worse-prime-minister-than-this-smirking-vacuum/
Anyone who thinks Crikey is an objective publication is nuts, it makes the Morning Star a must read to get both sides of current affairs.
Well there’s validation you’d be shouting from the rooftops about.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:Crikey was described by former Federal Opposition Leader Mark Latham as the “most popular website in Parliament House” in The Latham Diaries.Anyone who thinks Crikey is an objective publication is nuts, it makes the Morning Star a must read to get both sides of current affairs.
Well there’s validation you’d be shouting from the rooftops about.
But does anyone think Crikey is an objective publication?
Whatever that means.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:Crikey was described by former Federal Opposition Leader Mark Latham as the “most popular website in Parliament House” in The Latham Diaries.Anyone who thinks Crikey is an objective publication is nuts, it makes the Morning Star a must read to get both sides of current affairs.
Well there’s validation you’d be shouting from the rooftops about.
Presumably this was back when he was only a little bit nuts.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:Crikey was described by former Federal Opposition Leader Mark Latham as the “most popular website in Parliament House” in The Latham Diaries.Anyone who thinks Crikey is an objective publication is nuts, it makes the Morning Star a must read to get both sides of current affairs.
Well there’s validation you’d be shouting from the rooftops about.
That’s why I posted it. It is the be all and end all as macca would say.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:Crikey was described by former Federal Opposition Leader Mark Latham as the “most popular website in Parliament House” in The Latham Diaries.Well there’s validation you’d be shouting from the rooftops about.
That’s why I posted it. It is the be all and end all as macca would say.
What do we mean when we say it today?
Today we are not focused on action as much as Macbeth is. While that’s true generally (because Macbeth is a man of action), we’re talking specifically about this phrase.
When we say “the be all and end all” we are referring to an extreme situation. Or the most we can put up with. We focus on the cause or essential thing, rather than the action. What do we mean by all of this?
The “be all and end all” is the best part of something. Or the most important part of something. Even the ultimate part of something. But it’s never the action that will end it for us, in the way that it is for Macbeth.
The mechanics of the phrase may have changed a bit, but the effect is still the same. We use this phrase to mean the limits of something, just in the way that Macbeth does. It turns out, no matter how you get there, the end result is the same. It’s the be all and end all of it.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/21/2021/1626847145/hardest-word
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/21/2021/1626847145/hardest-word
“instead repeating his usual talking points before taking questions.”
I was watching him and realised that when he repeated something I was less likely to think he was lying. And then I wondered whether by saying it over and over he was convincing himself and thusly making it look more (body language) like he was telling the truth.
“Just the place for a Snark!” the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.
“Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true.”
SCIENCE said:
“Just the place for a Snark!” the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.“Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true.”
That very phrase (the last line) passed through my mind when reading this thread too.
I had forgotten the Snark connection though.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
“Just the place for a Snark!” the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.“Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true.”
That very phrase (the last line) passed through my mind when reading this thread too.
I had forgotten the Snark connection though.
well it has been almost 150 years so that’d be understandable
ALP has pulled 4% clear of Coalition.
There’s probably 10 months til the election and 4% could be a polling error so no need to panic yet.
dv said:
ALP has pulled 4% clear of Coalition.There’s probably 10 months til the election and 4% could be a polling error so no need to panic yet.
Impressive. Just think how they might do if they were active in national politics.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
ALP has pulled 4% clear of Coalition.There’s probably 10 months til the election and 4% could be a polling error so no need to panic yet.
Impressive. Just think how they might do if they were active in national politics.
Labor? They get shut down when they say something.
But then they do vote with the government on lots of things that I would prefer they didn’t.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
ALP has pulled 4% clear of Coalition.There’s probably 10 months til the election and 4% could be a polling error so no need to panic yet.
Impressive. Just think how they might do if they were active in national politics.
Labor? They get shut down when they say something.
But then they do vote with the government on lots of things that I would prefer they didn’t.
Rudd and Turnbull have provided a higher profile Opposition than the ALP in recent times, although how much of that was due to the media ignoring the party, I don’t know.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:Impressive. Just think how they might do if they were active in national politics.
Labor? They get shut down when they say something.
But then they do vote with the government on lots of things that I would prefer they didn’t.
Rudd and Turnbull have provided a higher profile Opposition than the ALP in recent times, although how much of that was due to the media ignoring the party, I don’t know.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:Labor? They get shut down when they say something.
But then they do vote with the government on lots of things that I would prefer they didn’t.
Rudd and Turnbull have provided a higher profile Opposition than the ALP in recent times, although how much of that was due to the media ignoring the party, I don’t know.
True.
Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:Rudd and Turnbull have provided a higher profile Opposition than the ALP in recent times, although how much of that was due to the media ignoring the party, I don’t know.
True.Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:True.
Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.
Just looked it up. Never heard of him…
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:True.
Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.
I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
My guess was Plibersek but it seems she is old news…
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Albanese ran uncontested for the leadership position after Shorten threw in the towel. In many ways that does not bode well for labor as many people forget what’s his name’s name when asked.
No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
Everyone knows who the deputy Prime Minister is, though, and it’s not clear that is a good thing for them
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.
I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
Richard Marles MP
Page · 109,928 followers
@richardmarlesmpDeputy Leader of the Australian Labor Party, Federal Member for Corio
Oh, of course, Marlsey, grouse bloke, top notch choice.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:No one knows who the deputy opposition minister is.
I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
Richard Marles MP
Page · 109,928 followers
@richardmarlesmpDeputy Leader of the Australian Labor Party, Federal Member for Corio
He comes up in my FB feed quite often.
Bogsnorkler said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:I’d have a guess and say Bowen, but I have no real idea.
Richard Marles MP
Page · 109,928 followers
@richardmarlesmpDeputy Leader of the Australian Labor Party, Federal Member for CorioHe comes up in my FB feed quite often.
Yes. I get some sponsored feed too.
You would be surprised what comes up in my feed
still, policy is more important than personality.
Bogsnorkler said:
still, policy is more important than personality.
That may be the funniest thing you’ve ever uttered.
dv said:
You would be surprised what comes up in my feed
I’m not sure I really want to know.
I mean I’m glad he has more gumption than me because if I found out Scott Morrison was 27% ahead of me as preferred PM I’d probably just give up
dv said:
ALP has pulled 4% clear of Coalition.There’s probably 10 months til the election and 4% could be a polling error so no need to panic yet.
What is to panic about?
dv said:
ALP has pulled 4% clear of Coalition.There’s probably 10 months til the election and 4% could be a polling error so no need to panic yet.
Plenty of time to flatten the curve.
dv said:
I mean I’m glad he has more gumption than me because if I found out Scott Morrison was 27% ahead of me as preferred PM I’d probably just give up
Look on the bright side, sibeen has at least heard of you.
Bogsnorkler said:
did it actually sound like that though
how good is that, politics overrides SCIENCE again
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-23/great-barrier-reef-avoids-in-danger-unesco-tag/100319652
Australia’s Great Barrier Reef will not be added to UNESCO’s “in danger” list this year, after Environment Minister Sussan Ley’s whirlwind diplomatic effort won enough support to override the UN body’s scientific advisers.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/23/how-did-australia-end-up-with-such-a-dreadful-cabinet/
…this year the incompetent rorter Barnaby Joyce, like Mungo MacCallum’s famous unflushable turd, returned to cabinet and the deputy prime ministership…
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/23/how-did-australia-end-up-with-such-a-dreadful-cabinet/…this year the incompetent rorter Barnaby Joyce, like Mungo MacCallum’s famous unflushable turd, returned to cabinet and the deputy prime ministership…
Looks like they bought the cabinet as a flat pack. Then got the unflushable turd in because someone had lost the allan key.
an oldie but a goodie and interesting to read and see what has come about
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/30/scott-morrison-aerodynamic-populism-and-the-art-of-never-choosing-a-side
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/23/the-feeling-around-the-national-cabinet-table-these-days-is-gladys-berejiklian-succumbed-to-hubris
https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2021/07/the-problem-with-employment-services-providers-profit-more-than-job-seekers/
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/23/the-feeling-around-the-national-cabinet-table-these-days-is-gladys-berejiklian-succumbed-to-hubris
I’d bet that she was also under pressure from business lobbyists who were selling the idea that another lockdown wouldn’t be good for them. An argument not entirely wrong, but there’s first-quarter bonuses at stake here, too.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/28/2021/1627451429/pay-you-go
Pay as you go
With Morrison, help is gradual and insufficient
Boris said:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/28/2021/1627451429/pay-you-goPay as you go
With Morrison, help is gradual and insufficient
I like tap and go.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/28/2021/1627451429/pay-you-goPay as you go
With Morrison, help is gradual and insufficient
I like tap and go.
Click and collect is great too.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/23/2021/1627020422/dose-her-own-medicine
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/30/prices-going-up-competition-watchdog-tells-governments-to-limit-asset-sales-as-public-loses-trust
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/30/prices-going-up-competition-watchdog-tells-governments-to-limit-asset-sales-as-public-loses-trust
so, surprising or not
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/court-rules-on-abc-defence-christian-porter-defamation-case/100336388
I suppose you’re all over the news that Alan Jones lost his job writing a column for the Telegraph
dv said:
I suppose you’re all over the news that Alan Jones lost his job writing a column for the Telegraph
Glad to hear it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
I suppose you’re all over the news that Alan Jones lost his job writing a column for the Telegraph
Glad to hear it.
Very pleased to hear it.
dv said:
I suppose you’re all over the news that Alan Jones lost his job writing a column for the Telegraph
Yes, but the mummified moron still marches on Sky:
Axed yet still ‘compelling’, Alan Jones is neither down nor out at News Corp
His column may have been dropped by a Sydney tabloid – but the broadcaster is still being lauded for his role at Sky News Australia
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jul/31/axed-yet-still-compelling-alan-jones-is-neither-down-nor-out-at-news-corp
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I suppose you’re all over the news that Alan Jones lost his job writing a column for the Telegraph
Yes, but the mummified moron still marches on Sky:
Axed yet still ‘compelling’, Alan Jones is neither down nor out at News Corp
His column may have been dropped by a Sydney tabloid – but the broadcaster is still being lauded for his role at Sky News Australia
don’t worry they’ll be back
Federal Labor is set to swing the axe on its multibillion-dollar pledges for free cancer treatment and dental care for pensioners in an effort to slimline its election spending promises.
The two signature health policies, announced under former leader Bill Shorten ahead of the last election, are likely to be formally scrapped in the coming months following the federal opposition’s decision to cut off the key sources of revenue that would have funded them.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-set-to-dump-multibillion-dollar-cancer-and-dental-pledges-20210727-p58den.html
dv said:
Federal Labor is set to swing the axe on its multibillion-dollar pledges for free cancer treatment and dental care for pensioners in an effort to slimline its election spending promises.The two signature health policies, announced under former leader Bill Shorten ahead of the last election, are likely to be formally scrapped in the coming months following the federal opposition’s decision to cut off the key sources of revenue that would have funded them.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-set-to-dump-multibillion-dollar-cancer-and-dental-pledges-20210727-p58den.html
scratches head
That seems to be extremely stupid after the amount of money strewn around in the last 18 months for health reasons.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Federal Labor is set to swing the axe on its multibillion-dollar pledges for free cancer treatment and dental care for pensioners in an effort to slimline its election spending promises.The two signature health policies, announced under former leader Bill Shorten ahead of the last election, are likely to be formally scrapped in the coming months following the federal opposition’s decision to cut off the key sources of revenue that would have funded them.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-set-to-dump-multibillion-dollar-cancer-and-dental-pledges-20210727-p58den.html
scratches head
That seems to be extremely stupid after the amount of money strewn around in the last 18 months for health reasons.
stupid to give up on?
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Federal Labor is set to swing the axe on its multibillion-dollar pledges for free cancer treatment and dental care for pensioners in an effort to slimline its election spending promises.The two signature health policies, announced under former leader Bill Shorten ahead of the last election, are likely to be formally scrapped in the coming months following the federal opposition’s decision to cut off the key sources of revenue that would have funded them.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-set-to-dump-multibillion-dollar-cancer-and-dental-pledges-20210727-p58den.html
scratches head
That seems to be extremely stupid after the amount of money strewn around in the last 18 months for health reasons.
stupid to give up on?
Yes.
sibeen said:
:)
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:scratches head
That seems to be extremely stupid after the amount of money strewn around in the last 18 months for health reasons.
stupid to give up on?
Yes.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Federal Labor is set to swing the axe on its multibillion-dollar pledges for free cancer treatment and dental care for pensioners in an effort to slimline its election spending promises.The two signature health policies, announced under former leader Bill Shorten ahead of the last election, are likely to be formally scrapped in the coming months following the federal opposition’s decision to cut off the key sources of revenue that would have funded them.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-set-to-dump-multibillion-dollar-cancer-and-dental-pledges-20210727-p58den.html
scratches head
That seems to be extremely stupid after the amount of money strewn around in the last 18 months for health reasons.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
I suppose you’re all over the news that Alan Jones lost his job writing a column for the Telegraph
Glad to hear it.
Very pleased to hear it.
Don’t read the Telegraph. I’m waiting for him not to appear anywhere.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Federal Labor is set to swing the axe on its multibillion-dollar pledges for free cancer treatment and dental care for pensioners in an effort to slimline its election spending promises.The two signature health policies, announced under former leader Bill Shorten ahead of the last election, are likely to be formally scrapped in the coming months following the federal opposition’s decision to cut off the key sources of revenue that would have funded them.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-labor-set-to-dump-multibillion-dollar-cancer-and-dental-pledges-20210727-p58den.html
scratches head
That seems to be extremely stupid after the amount of money strewn around in the last 18 months for health reasons.
I don’t think there will be a lot of money in the pot for quite some time. Possibly better to step back now than promise and then find it’s impossible to deliver once you get into government.
We were talking about this and personal finances with the bakery owner last week too – people don’t have much to spare around here at the moment, despite government offerings. Those of us on self funded pensions or government pensions are puddling along with our normal low incomes. Although our super funds are not looking as lush as they might have been. But the people who work casual etc, and there are a lot of them, have got very tight strings after having less work for 18 months now. Once you’ve used up any leave (which casuals don’t have anyway), you have no income.
buffy said:
Possibly better to step back now than promise and then find it’s impossible to deliver once you get into government.
When has that stopped any politician, ever?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Glad to hear it.
Very pleased to hear it.
Don’t read the Telegraph. I’m waiting for him not to appear anywhere.
Well he’s 80.
Dropping Lord’s Prayer would help State Parliament better reflect our diversity
The prayer opens the sitting day in Federal Parliament, and most of the state and territory parliaments across Australia have a requirement to read a prayer at the start of proceedings, the majority of them reading the Lord’s Prayer. The ACT Parliament, by contrast, asks its members to stand in silence, and pray or reflect on their responsibilities to the people of the ACT.
This week, changes to the 103-year-old tradition in Victoria are being put forward. Reason Party upper house MP Fiona Patten will push for a debate and a vote on a motion to scrap the prayer and instead have the President of the Legislative Council open the day by instructing MPs “to stand in silence and pray or reflect on their responsibilities to the people of Victoria”, not unlike the ACT model.
Ms Patten, an atheist, has argued since 2019 that reciting the prayer makes Parliament seem like a “Christian’s club”, which she says is inappropriate for a secular institution. She says there are more than 100 religious affiliations in Australia and a parliament designed to represent a multicultural, multi-faith society should not be so closely tied to one religious viewpoint.
Unsurprisingly, there is firm opposition from religious groups. The Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne, Peter Comensoli and Anglican Archbishop Philip Freier told the Herald Sun that the prayer was a longstanding tradition that reminds politicians they are accountable to the people and a higher authority.
The Age believes our Parliament should reflect these societal changes and we can see a future where there is an opening of Parliament that is more inclusive of all faiths than the current practice of reading the Lord’s Prayer each day.
Whether there is an appetite for this kind of change right now is not clear. Two years ago Premier Daniel Andrews said he saw merit in making a change to the prayer if the replacement had broad support and would be welcoming of other religions. But the issue has not moved much since then. Victorian Labor has said little and the state Coalition has opposed any changes.
Former Liberal MP Ian Macphee is encouraging voters in his electorate to oust Tim Wilson:
Former Liberal minister endorses ousting of MP Tim Wilson at next federal election
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/03/former-liberal-minister-endorses-ousting-of-mp-tim-wilson-at-next-federal-election
During the interview, Macphee expressed strong objections to the “disgusting” and “inhumane” offshore processing policies of the Morrison government, and said the Coalition was “not listening” to the science on climate change despite some of the hottest temperatures on record.
Macphee also noted the government was not facilitating proper accountability around policy making. He characterised the decisions taken on sports grants and in the commuter carpark fund as “a disgrace”.
Bubblecar said:
Former Liberal MP Ian Macphee is encouraging voters in his electorate to oust Tim Wilson:Former Liberal minister endorses ousting of MP Tim Wilson at next federal election
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/03/former-liberal-minister-endorses-ousting-of-mp-tim-wilson-at-next-federal-election
During the interview, Macphee expressed strong objections to the “disgusting” and “inhumane” offshore processing policies of the Morrison government, and said the Coalition was “not listening” to the science on climate change despite some of the hottest temperatures on record.
Macphee also noted the government was not facilitating proper accountability around policy making. He characterised the decisions taken on sports grants and in the commuter carpark fund as “a disgrace”.
Yeah there’s been a lot of water under the bridge since the Fraser era
Bubblecar said:
Former Liberal MP Ian Macphee is encouraging voters in his electorate to oust Tim Wilson:Former Liberal minister endorses ousting of MP Tim Wilson at next federal election
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/03/former-liberal-minister-endorses-ousting-of-mp-tim-wilson-at-next-federal-election
During the interview, Macphee expressed strong objections to the “disgusting” and “inhumane” offshore processing policies of the Morrison government, and said the Coalition was “not listening” to the science on climate change despite some of the hottest temperatures on record.
Macphee also noted the government was not facilitating proper accountability around policy making. He characterised the decisions taken on sports grants and in the commuter carpark fund as “a disgrace”.
Good.
Boris said:
well that’s good news right, there are plenty of abusive men but they have only a tiny impact on only very few women, no problem
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/cph-minister-denies-top-20-marginals-list-used-to-pick-car-parks/100348590
When Crikey first assembled the long dossier of Scott Morrison’s lies and falsehoods, we noted that he resorted to deception much more when he was under pressure — and at times of great stress the lies would rapidly accumulate.
Clearly Morrison is currently feeling the heat from the shambolic vaccine rollout, his forced U-turn on lockdowns and the humiliation of seeing Daniel Andrews vindicated and Gladys “gold standard” Berejiklian struggling with a months-long lockdown of Sydney. The lies and falsehoods are piling up fast.
Just yesterday, as Morrison struggled to dismiss Anthony Albanese’s proposal for a cash vaccination incentive — Morrison being the proud personal author, at News Corp’s direction, of a cash incentive for vaccination via the no jab, no pay/no play policy — he misled Parliament about the opposition leader. “He could start by talking to General Frewen who he has not yet sat down with — not once — since he came into the job … He hasn’t even bothered to talk to him,” Morrison told question time.
In fact, as Albanese later explained, he’d been trying to talk to Frewen — the stuffed uniform deployed by Morrison as political cover for the vaccine bungle — since late June and it was the government that had put off any briefing until later this week.
Albanese also asked Morrison about a now oft-repeated claim of Morrison’s that the notorious phrase “not a race” was only used by Morrison — at the instigation of health secretary Brendan Murphy, he insists — in relation to the approval process for vaccines, when Morrison clearly used it in relation to a question about the slow pace of the vaccine rollout on March 31. Morrison stuck resolutely to the lie.
That’s come on top of Morrison bizarrely claiming Berejiklian never raised the issue of additional vaccines for NSW in national cabinet when she said she had “argued my little heart out” on the issue and been rejected — with Frewen fingered as having spoken to her with “derision”, an outrageous insult to a democratically elected leader by a bureaucrat and a military man to boot — sufficient that, if true, the general should have been sacked on the spot and kicked out of the meeting.
There were a succession of lies and falsehoods from Morrison throughout July — on ATAGI’s AstraZeneca advice, his favouritism toward Sydney, and that whopper about there being no vaccine schedule that would have made a difference to the current Sydney outbreak.
This is the psychology of a man who despises and fears accountability — even for his own words, which he frequently denies having said despite them being on the public record, on the transcripts on his own personal site.
With no relief in sight for a beleaguered non-leader hemmed in by his own bungling and politicking, how many more lies will be racked up by the end of the year — let alone in the run-up to the election? We’ll be tracking them all at the ever-growing dossier.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/08/04/a-rattled-morrison-keeps-the-falsehoods-coming-thick-and-fast/
>>When Crikey….
stops reading
Peak Warming Man said:
>>When Crikey….stops reading
Bet you didn’t.
Boris said:
— with Frewen fingered as having spoken to her with “derision”, an outrageous insult to a democratically elected leader by a bureaucrat and a military man to boot — sufficient that, if true, the general should have been sacked on the spot and kicked out of the meeting.
I don’t believe that one. Someone at Frewen’s level is a political animal and I doubt would be that stupid.
sibeen said:
Boris said:— with Frewen fingered as having spoken to her with “derision”, an outrageous insult to a democratically elected leader by a bureaucrat and a military man to boot — sufficient that, if true, the general should have been sacked on the spot and kicked out of the meeting.I don’t believe that one. Someone at Frewen’s level is a political animal and I doubt would be that stupid.
Who did report that? Was it the other state and territory leaders? Should be pretty easy to verify an outburst of that nature.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>When Crikey….stops reading
Bet you didn’t.
Actually I did, Crikey is a woo site and life’s too short.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:— with Frewen fingered as having spoken to her with “derision”, an outrageous insult to a democratically elected leader by a bureaucrat and a military man to boot — sufficient that, if true, the general should have been sacked on the spot and kicked out of the meeting.I don’t believe that one. Someone at Frewen’s level is a political animal and I doubt would be that stupid.
Who did report that? Was it the other state and territory leaders? Should be pretty easy to verify an outburst of that nature.
Plenty of outlets have reported it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>When Crikey….stops reading
Bet you didn’t.
Actually I did, Crikey is a woo site and life’s too short.
Have they been banned from Youtube yet?
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>When Crikey….stops reading
Bet you didn’t.
Actually I did, Crikey is a woo site and life’s too short.
in the scheme of things it hardly matters.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:Bet you didn’t.
Actually I did, Crikey is a woo site and life’s too short.
Have they been banned from Youtube yet?
Not yet. PWM must be getting hard up on RW reading and viewing material.
Boris said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:I don’t believe that one. Someone at Frewen’s level is a political animal and I doubt would be that stupid.
Who did report that? Was it the other state and territory leaders? Should be pretty easy to verify an outburst of that nature.
Plenty of outlets have reported it.
No, I meant do we have a source within the meeting, rather than any media person. Like who did the media people said reported it, or was it just handwaving, source unnamed.
buffy said:
Boris said:
buffy said:Who did report that? Was it the other state and territory leaders? Should be pretty easy to verify an outburst of that nature.
Plenty of outlets have reported it.
No, I meant do we have a source within the meeting, rather than any media person. Like who did the media people said reported it, or was it just handwaving, source unnamed.
I doubt anyone will put their name to a leak.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>When Crikey….stops reading
have a laugh mate, it’s comedy
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>When Crikey….stops reading
have a laugh mate, it’s comedy
tragi-comedy more like it.
Boris said:
So not only a termination payment but also legal fees. And I feel this is as it should be.
buffy said:
Boris said:
So not only a termination payment but also legal fees. And I feel this is as it should be.
But is Scotty responsible?
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Boris said:
So not only a termination payment but also legal fees. And I feel this is as it should be.
But is Scotty responsible?
Why don’t you ask him?
;)
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:So not only a termination payment but also legal fees. And I feel this is as it should be.
But is Scotty responsible?
Why don’t you ask him?
;)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/porter-s-elevation-betrays-pm-s-chilling-apathy-towards-survivors-20210803-p58feo.html
Boris said:
yeah but look who wrote it obviously ‘e has a barrow to push
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/09/mining-giant-given-millions-in-grant-by-coalition-from-fund-for-indigenous-disadvantage
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/09/mining-giant-given-millions-in-grant-by-coalition-from-fund-for-indigenous-disadvantage
Is there something wrong with money going to big companies, if they do something worthwhile that they wouldn’t have otherwise done?
Surely this is of greater concern:
“At a Senate inquiry on Friday, current Indigenous affairs department representatives said that in 12 cases Scullion funded projects the department had advised against.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/09/mining-giant-given-millions-in-grant-by-coalition-from-fund-for-indigenous-disadvantage
Is there something wrong with money going to big companies, if they do something worthwhile that they wouldn’t have otherwise done?
Surely this is of greater concern:
“At a Senate inquiry on Friday, current Indigenous affairs department representatives said that in 12 cases Scullion funded projects the department had advised against.”
of course not but it would be nice if the outcomes were easily accessible without relying on the media to report it.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/damaged-not-destroyed-pm-in-trouble-but-could-again-land-on-his-feet-20210804-p58fv3.htm
Latest Morgan Poll Releases
ALP (53.5%) increases lead over L-NP (46.5%) – largest ALP lead since the bushfires in early 2020August 04 2021 Topic: Federal Poll Press Release Public Opinion
ALP support has increased to 53.5% (up 1% point since mid-July) cf. L-NP on 46.5% (down 1% points) on a two-party preferred basis after Sydney’s month-long lockdown was extended for at least another month and third largest city Brisbane entered its fifth lockdown in late July according to the latest Roy Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention.
https://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll
sarahs mum said:
When people say if you vote labor you get the Greens just remind them that if you vote Liberal you get Barnaby.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
When people say if you vote labor you get the Greens just remind them that if you vote Liberal you get Barnaby.
that was a fun read, to see it writ, a joy
transition said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
When people say if you vote labor you get the Greens just remind them that if you vote Liberal you get Barnaby.
that was a fun read, to see it writ, a joy
Where is it from? Is it Hansard?
buffy said:
transition said:
sarahs mum said:When people say if you vote labor you get the Greens just remind them that if you vote Liberal you get Barnaby.
that was a fun read, to see it writ, a joy
Where is it from? Is it Hansard?
I gather. I saw the clip. That is what he said.
The decision to extend cashless debit card trials is a terrible one. Remember this card has been trialled since 2014 at a cost of tens of millions of taxpayers’ dollars. Moreover, reports from the Australian National Audit Office and the University of Adelaide remain inconclusive as to whether the card has successfully reduced social harm, and yet the Government continues to pour money into a program that, after seven years of trials, cannot be deemed a success.
A majority of cardholders have reported feelings of discrimination, embarrassment, shame and unfairness as a result of being on the card. Other recipients of Government pensions and payments are terrified of becoming part of the trial, and I’ve had hundreds of people contact my office fearful that despite not drinking, gambling, smoking or taking drugs they will lose their financial independence and be forced to carry a card. Indeed a petition seeking to immediately end the cashless debit card trials, signed by 17,613 people, is to be tabled in the Parliament next Monday.
There is perhaps a place for these cards to assist with addiction or other social harms, but they should be court ordered and not indiscriminately applied to all Centrelink recipients. Frankly this is a Band-aid solution to complex social problems and the money would be better spend on more targeted programs.
https://andrewwilkie.org/cashless-welfare-card-trial-is-a-terrible-waste-of-money/
buffy said:
transition said:
sarahs mum said:When people say if you vote labor you get the Greens just remind them that if you vote Liberal you get Barnaby.
that was a fun read, to see it writ, a joy
Where is it from? Is it Hansard?
“When people say if you vote labor you get the Greens”
If only that were true.
sarahs mum said:
The decision to extend cashless debit card trials is a terrible one. Remember this card has been trialled since 2014 at a cost of tens of millions of taxpayers’ dollars. Moreover, reports from the Australian National Audit Office and the University of Adelaide remain inconclusive as to whether the card has successfully reduced social harm, and yet the Government continues to pour money into a program that, after seven years of trials, cannot be deemed a success.A majority of cardholders have reported feelings of discrimination, embarrassment, shame and unfairness as a result of being on the card. Other recipients of Government pensions and payments are terrified of becoming part of the trial, and I’ve had hundreds of people contact my office fearful that despite not drinking, gambling, smoking or taking drugs they will lose their financial independence and be forced to carry a card. Indeed a petition seeking to immediately end the cashless debit card trials, signed by 17,613 people, is to be tabled in the Parliament next Monday.
There is perhaps a place for these cards to assist with addiction or other social harms, but they should be court ordered and not indiscriminately applied to all Centrelink recipients. Frankly this is a Band-aid solution to complex social problems and the money would be better spend on more targeted programs.
https://andrewwilkie.org/cashless-welfare-card-trial-is-a-terrible-waste-of-money/
Is this the card that was first used with our first people’s in the NT. And was then extended in a trial with people on benifits in places of lower income areas?
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
transition said:that was a fun read, to see it writ, a joy
Where is it from? Is it Hansard?
I gather. I saw the clip. That is what he said.
Ooh, I just found online Hansard, question time. It wasn’t in question time. I’ll have to look further. You wouldn’t want to be the transcriber for that lot, would you.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
The decision to extend cashless debit card trials is a terrible one. Remember this card has been trialled since 2014 at a cost of tens of millions of taxpayers’ dollars. Moreover, reports from the Australian National Audit Office and the University of Adelaide remain inconclusive as to whether the card has successfully reduced social harm, and yet the Government continues to pour money into a program that, after seven years of trials, cannot be deemed a success.A majority of cardholders have reported feelings of discrimination, embarrassment, shame and unfairness as a result of being on the card. Other recipients of Government pensions and payments are terrified of becoming part of the trial, and I’ve had hundreds of people contact my office fearful that despite not drinking, gambling, smoking or taking drugs they will lose their financial independence and be forced to carry a card. Indeed a petition seeking to immediately end the cashless debit card trials, signed by 17,613 people, is to be tabled in the Parliament next Monday.
There is perhaps a place for these cards to assist with addiction or other social harms, but they should be court ordered and not indiscriminately applied to all Centrelink recipients. Frankly this is a Band-aid solution to complex social problems and the money would be better spend on more targeted programs.
https://andrewwilkie.org/cashless-welfare-card-trial-is-a-terrible-waste-of-money/
Is this the card that was first used with our first people’s in the NT. And was then extended in a trial with people on benifits in places of lower income areas?
There is the basics card in the NT. It locks up 50% of your income. The Feds are trying to convince users to convert to Indue and that locks up 80%.
And the speaker had a go at ScoMo at one point:
______________________________________________
The SPEAKER: I will just say to the Prime Minister—
Mr MORRISON: But, no, he has taken every opportunity to snipe and to be negative—The SPEAKER: No, the Prime Minister was not asked about the Leader of the Opposition. The Prime Minister will wind up his answer.
Mr MORRISON: and to undermine at every turn.The SPEAKER: The Prime Minister! I just said to the Prime Minister he wasn’t asked about the Leader of the Opposition; he was asked a question by the shadow Treasurer about policy. It is not an opportunity to give a political assessment. The Prime Minister has the call.
_______________________________________________
sarahs mum said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
The decision to extend cashless debit card trials is a terrible one. Remember this card has been trialled since 2014 at a cost of tens of millions of taxpayers’ dollars. Moreover, reports from the Australian National Audit Office and the University of Adelaide remain inconclusive as to whether the card has successfully reduced social harm, and yet the Government continues to pour money into a program that, after seven years of trials, cannot be deemed a success.A majority of cardholders have reported feelings of discrimination, embarrassment, shame and unfairness as a result of being on the card. Other recipients of Government pensions and payments are terrified of becoming part of the trial, and I’ve had hundreds of people contact my office fearful that despite not drinking, gambling, smoking or taking drugs they will lose their financial independence and be forced to carry a card. Indeed a petition seeking to immediately end the cashless debit card trials, signed by 17,613 people, is to be tabled in the Parliament next Monday.
There is perhaps a place for these cards to assist with addiction or other social harms, but they should be court ordered and not indiscriminately applied to all Centrelink recipients. Frankly this is a Band-aid solution to complex social problems and the money would be better spend on more targeted programs.
https://andrewwilkie.org/cashless-welfare-card-trial-is-a-terrible-waste-of-money/
Is this the card that was first used with our first people’s in the NT. And was then extended in a trial with people on benifits in places of lower income areas?
There is the basics card in the NT. It locks up 50% of your income. The Feds are trying to convince users to convert to Indue and that locks up 80%.
Yeah fnck that. Just my opinion. I do get some of the rationale behind why they might want this to happen but I still think it’s on the whole a load of dog shit
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:Is this the card that was first used with our first people’s in the NT. And was then extended in a trial with people on benifits in places of lower income areas?
There is the basics card in the NT. It locks up 50% of your income. The Feds are trying to convince users to convert to Indue and that locks up 80%.
Yeah fnck that. Just my opinion. I do get some of the rationale behind why they might want this to happen but I still think it’s on the whole a load of dog shit
Na. If it is justified then so is sending in the army in on parliament. They are busy getting pissed and doing nasty sexual stuff there. The Indue card takes money and then takes it off shore. It penalises people from doing the right thing as much as it penalises people for doing the worng thing.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9863221/Barnaby-Joyce-slurs-words-Question-Time.html
I’m not really up to date on my understanding of conservative intellectuals so I don’t understand the pojnt that Barnaby is making about Howard Hughes, perhaps PWM can translate
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9863221/Barnaby-Joyce-slurs-words-Question-Time.html
I’m not really up to date on my understanding of conservative intellectuals so I don’t understand the pojnt that Barnaby is making about Howard Hughes, perhaps PWM can translate
I mean fmd is he really the best the Nationals can come up with? They’ve scoured their ranks high and low and he’s the apex?
dv said:
I mean fmd is he really the best the Nationals can come up with? They’ve scoured their ranks high and low and he’s the apex?
We can’t all have a Wilkie.
dv said:
I mean fmd is he really the best the Nationals can come up with? They’ve scoured their ranks high and low and he’s the apex?
and the Nationals don’t represent voters. It’s not like the country party anymore. They represent coal and water extraction and dodgy land grabs.
The Hillsong Hoods were given permission to go to Mexico two weeks ago for laying on hands or something. Did they arrive back yet?
dv said:
The Hillsong Hoods were given permission to go to Mexico two weeks ago for laying on hands or something. Did they arrive back yet?
probably won’t be allowed back into the country now.
Boris said:
dv said:
The Hillsong Hoods were given permission to go to Mexico two weeks ago for laying on hands or something. Did they arrive back yet?
probably won’t be allowed back into the country now.
And they should take their place in the queue behind all the other Australians who have been waiting to come home.
dv said:
The Hillsong Hoods were given permission to go to Mexico two weeks ago for laying on hands or something. Did they arrive back yet?
Not yet, but they will need to be back in October for a court appearance.
Whoever allowed him out of the country during Sydney lockdown needs to be investigated.
Speedy said:
dv said:
The Hillsong Hoods were given permission to go to Mexico two weeks ago for laying on hands or something. Did they arrive back yet?
Not yet, but they will need to be back in October for a court appearance.
Whoever allowed him out of the country during Sydney lockdown needs to be investigated.
^
sarahs mum said:
Speedy said:
dv said:
The Hillsong Hoods were given permission to go to Mexico two weeks ago for laying on hands or something. Did they arrive back yet?
Not yet, but they will need to be back in October for a court appearance.
Whoever allowed him out of the country during Sydney lockdown needs to be investigated.
^
My point was, wouldn’t it be “convenient” if he wasn’t allowed back in to face the court. Him being a mate of the PM and all.
Boris said:
sarahs mum said:
Speedy said:Not yet, but they will need to be back in October for a court appearance.
Whoever allowed him out of the country during Sydney lockdown needs to be investigated.
^
My point was, wouldn’t it be “convenient” if he wasn’t allowed back in to face the court. Him being a mate of the PM and all.
You need to make as much political capital out of this right now just in case something terrible happens and he’s found not guilty.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
sarahs mum said:^
My point was, wouldn’t it be “convenient” if he wasn’t allowed back in to face the court. Him being a mate of the PM and all.
You need to make as much political capital out of this right now just in case something terrible happens and he’s found not guilty.
keep being a dick.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:My point was, wouldn’t it be “convenient” if he wasn’t allowed back in to face the court. Him being a mate of the PM and all.
You need to make as much political capital out of this right now just in case something terrible happens and he’s found not guilty.
keep being a dick.
peeep
Ad Hominem.
Free kick to PWM.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9863221/Barnaby-Joyce-slurs-words-Question-Time.html
Boris said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9863221/Barnaby-Joyce-slurs-words-Question-Time.html
at this point we feel like anyone with even 2 brain cells remaining in the rest of the world (almost unimaginable but hey) must be watching us and thinking
“Australia managed to hold out against COVID-19 for 18 months and even odds whether they’ll manage to crush this next B.1.617.2 but given their political mountain of trash how the fuck are they doing this”
Boris said:
and some raised concerns about Mr Joyce’s health. —-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9863221/Barnaby-Joyce-slurs-words-Question-Time.html
Oh. so he gets a couple of weeks off and all wil be good again?
I looked at those cute little boys and thought…she gave him sons. It’s all so awful and old fashioned but that’s the type of people who are running the show. Sux being a Barnaby daughter or ex wife.
Maybe Scotty will go a second wife when the girls a just a little older.
dv said:
worked in the USSA
Agriculture Minister David Littleproud says the “Prime Minister made a promise to myself and the National party that he would deliver an agricultural visa he will do it, he is a man of his word”.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-refuses-to-say-if-he-saw-list-of-marginal-seats-to-get-car-park-funding-20210805-p58g62.html
https://womensagenda.com.au/politics/this-ones-a-clincher-how-will-scott-morrison-respond-to-allegations-against-brian-houston/
Boris said:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-refuses-to-say-if-he-saw-list-of-marginal-seats-to-get-car-park-funding-20210805-p58g62.html
He couldn’t even fabricate a look over there?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/national-cabinet-thrown-open-to-scrutiny-in-ruling-it-is-not-a-cabinet-20210805-p58ga3.html
sarahs mum said:
ROFL
https://www.facebook.com/SenatorKeneally/videos/180249790709027
Kristina Keneally
3 August at 15:57 ·
I spoke in the Senate today about the disturbing reports of a plot to overthrow the Australian Government
We must do more to counter the threat of right-wing extremism in this nation – and that effort must be bipartisan 👇
sarahs mum said:
https://www.facebook.com/SenatorKeneally/videos/180249790709027Kristina Keneally
3 August at 15:57 ·
I spoke in the Senate today about the disturbing reports of a plot to overthrow the Australian Government
We must do more to counter the threat of right-wing extremism in this nation – and that effort must be bipartisan 👇
Best of luck Kristina.
Friendly jordies notes that the vaccinations that were redirected from the regionals to sydney..were actually redirected from Labor regionals to Sydney.
so..you can pork barrel vaccs.
sarahs mum said:
Friendly jordies notes that the vaccinations that were redirected from the regionals to sydney..were actually redirected from Labor regionals to Sydney.so..you can pork barrel vaccs.
Heck.
Nothing surprises me about Gladys’ politics.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Friendly jordies notes that the vaccinations that were redirected from the regionals to sydney..were actually redirected from Labor regionals to Sydney.so..you can pork barrel vaccs.
Heck.
Nothing surprises me about Gladys’ politics.
And while I was in the car I think I heard something about some of them being redirected from regions that now have cases, so they have to send at least some of them back, and they are scrambling to get people back to their appointments that had been cancelled. Or something. I was actually looking for the black swans to photograph at the time, so I was a bit distracted from the radio.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Friendly jordies notes that the vaccinations that were redirected from the regionals to sydney..were actually redirected from Labor regionals to Sydney.so..you can pork barrel vaccs.
Heck.
Nothing surprises me about Gladys’ politics.
Have you fact checked it?
Boris said:
Josh?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Boris said:
Josh?
yep.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/liberal-revolt-as-voters-push-for-independent-change-20210807-p58goo.html
https://theconversation.com/nowhere-to-hide-the-significance-of-national-cabinet-not-being-a-cabinet-165671
Old media forced to name Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann after running a Liberal Party protection racket for months
BY SHANE DOWLING ON AUGUST 8, 2021 •
Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann was served by the ACT police on Friday (6/8/21) with a summons, via his lawyers, to attend court on the 16th of September 2021 where he will be charged with rape. Until just after midday Saturday (7/8/21) the old media were still running a protection racket for the Liberal Party, which they had been running for months, and were refusing to name Lehrmann even though there was no legal reason to not name him.
All the old media were in on the protection racket with some grubby journalists going next level by telling lies and using social media to try to intimidate social media users by telling them they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Lehrmann. What is extremely disturbing about that is it promotes the silence culture which has protected all types of sexual predators for decades but more on that in a minute.
I have named Bruce Lehrmann in numerous articles over the last six months and named him in social media posts on Friday for being summoned by the police to face rape chrages and the website True Crimes News Weekly published on article on Friday naming Lehrmann. But some trolls on social media started attacking us for naming Lehrmann and some journalists jumped on board as well saying not to name him as it might put the trial at risk which is just lies.
And you only have to look to Thursday (5/8/21) to realise that. Hillsong’s Brian Houston was summoned, via his lawyers, on Thursday to appear in court in October as well and all the media reported that and no one attacked me on social media for reporting it. So, what is the difference with Bruce Lehrmann? The answer is Lehrmann has the potential to do a thousand times more damage to the government as government MP’s and staffers are certain to be called as witnesses to the trial which could include Brittany Higgin’s former bosses one of which is current Attorney-General Michaelia Cash.
Any court case will be the ultimate humiliation for the Scott Morrison government as many lies by the government regarding their handling of the scandal will be exposed.
All states including the ACT have laws that you cannot name victims or alleged victims of sex crimes and that is to protect the alleged victims not to protect the alleged offender but some in the media were claiming different on Friday and have been for months since this matter was first exposed.
Channel 9 gave in and named Lehrmann in a short article just after midday on Saturday (7/8/21), just after 2pm News.com.au named Lehrmann in an article and just after 5pm the SMH website named him. Other media if not all will be certain to now follow and name Lehrmann.
It is worth having look at what has happened with the media not naming Lehrmann for months and especially the 24 hours after the police media release on Friday where lies, threats and intimidation were used to try and silence myself, True Crimes News Weekly and social media users to not name Lehrmann.
Other media not naming Lehrmann has never been about the law it has always been about protecting the Liberal Party because it does not matter whether Lehrmann is guilty or innocent the Liberal Party still have a lot of questions to answer about their attempted cover-up over the last 2 years. Only Brittany Higgins and Bruce Lehrmann know if he is guilty or not, but a jury will look at all the evidence and make a decision. But the Liberal Party did not care about his guilt or innocence, they went straight into cover-up mode when the alleged rape happened over 2 years ago.
And one thing is for certain and that is Scott Morrison’s media people and advisors have been leaning on the old media over the last six months not to name Lehrmann because they did not want to give the issue oxygen which is what will happen now more media are starting to name him. Potentially other witnesses or victims will now come forward but what is worse for the Liberal Party and what they are really worried about is potentially other witnesses to the Liberal Party’s cover-up will come forward.
The fact that many reporters were and some still are aiding and abetting the Liberal Party in keeping his name out of the media shows how much the Liberal Party are able to influence the media to help conceal their dirty laundry.
Why it is important to name alleged criminals including alleged rapists – Open justice
“Open justice is one of the fundamental attributes of a fair trial. That the administration of justice must take place in open court is a ‘fundamental rule of the common law’. The High Court has said that ‘the rationale of the open court principle is that court proceedings should be subjected to public and professional scrutiny, and courts will not act contrary to the principle save in exceptional circumstances’.” (Click here to read more https://www.alrc.gov.au/…/10-fair-trial/open-justice/)
Culture of silence
Old media not naming alleged criminals is the same pattern that lead to the widespread rape of children in institutions as exposed by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. If you watched the Royal Commission, you would have heard the same story over and over again from different victims about how they were silenced to not name the priest or carer who abused them. Their parents told them not to name the priest, the police told them not to name the priest and other priests told them not to name the priest, so the priest kept on abusing more children.
Making sure the priests or carers were not named was a deliberate coordinated strategy to make sure the priests were never exposed, and it allowed them to keep on raping children. The same thing happens with rape and sexual assault where there is pressure on victims not to name predators.
I thought the cycle of not naming alleged rapists and paedophiles was over with the Royal Commission, but it has reared its ugly head again with Bruce Lehrmann and the media are the worst culprits. Why? The Liberal Party connection is the obvious answer.
By the media not naming Lehrmann, whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant, means we were heading back to the days when certain people are protected from being exposed if it suits those in power. Everyone else gets named as that is how the justice system works. It’s called “open justice” and it is meant to make sure the legal system works how it is meant to and make sure the legal system is not abused by the rich and powerful.
Not only were the old media refusing to name Bruce Lehrmann, and some still are at this point, when there is no legal basis not to, but some journalists have been going onto social media, making up lies, and telling others they should not name Lehrmann as well which is very grubby stuff. If the media had legitimate reasons not to name Lehrmann they wouldn’t need to make up lies and use scare tactics claiming people could be charged with contempt of court.
The below message on Twitter was posted on Friday (6/8/21) and is by ABC Four Corners journalist Lucy Carter and was supported by Louise Milligan who is also an ABC Four Corners journalist.
(Pic 2)
Lucy Carter was lying by telling people they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Bruce Lehrmann and Louise Milligan helped promote the lie. That helps promote the silence culture and they should both know better especially Ms Milligan who has written extensively on paedophiles, sexual assault and how victims don’t get justice. The good work Ms Milligan does not justify her telling lies and promoting lies whether it is deliberate or not.
Lucy Carter replied, and I sent follow-up questions as per below:
(Pic 3)
Yes, Lucy Carter says “I prefer caution” so she lies and tells people they could be charged with contempt of court if they name Bruce Lehrmann and they risk the outcome of the court case. Many people would believe the lies told by Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan because they are Four Corners reporters. Both should apologise to the public and not speak out of school when they clearly have no clue.
Channel 10’s Lisa Wilkinson who broke the Brittany Higgins story tweeted on Friday:
“On the issue of the 26 yo man summonsed for an alleged sexual assault of a woman in Parliament House in March 2019 can I implore everyone to respect what’s in play here. Naming the man on social media & passing judgement could have dire consequences for the outcome of any trial.” (Click here to see on Twitter https://twitter.com/lisa…/status/1423527733636698112…)
Lisa Wilkinson tells the public not to name Bruce Lehrmann, but Wilkinson is the one who has been naming Brittany Higgins every chance she gets and telling the public all the details of the alleged rape.
Is she for real? Where do these people get off telling social media users what they can and can’t say based on lies they are telling about the law? I wonder what Lisa Wilkinson, Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan will say now that Nine, News and the SMH have named Lehrmann?
Everyone watches TV or uses the internet and we can see the media naming alleged criminals everyday but as soon as the old media don’t want someone named, they jump on thier social media accounts and start lying and trying to intimidate people into not naming alleged criminals. A couple of other journalists did the same thing and told Twitter users not to share my article when I named Christian Porter on the 2nd of March as the minister who allegedly raped Katharine Thornton. That article went viral and forced Porter to have a press conference the next day to out himself as the minister.
One of the journalists who told Twitter users not to share the Porter article was Lisa Wilkinson’s husband Peter FitzSimons. The “we are smarter than everyone else so we can tell people what to do” mentality seems to be a family trait. Most old media compnaies and quite a few old media journalists do not like new media journalists changing the status quo and for whatever reason Lisa Wilkinson and Peter FitzSimons seem to be two of them.
Others in the media were saying they were not naming Lehrmann because of legal reasons but that is the same media who openly named Hillsong’s Brian Houston the day before in exactly the same circumstances. It is the same media who are happy to name Brittany Higgins even though she is the one the law is meant to protect. If the media are not going to name someone it is Brittany Higgins they shouldn’t name not Bruce Lehrmann. But as we know Brittany Higgins has outed herself so there is no reason not to name her and no reason not to name Bruce Lehrmann.
Why did the old media take 24 hours after the police media release to start naming Lehrmann? The old media were left with little choice except to name Bruce Lehrmann as they were losing a lot of internet traffic to this website, True Crimes News Weekly and a few smaller websites. Also, I Tweeted the below on Saturday morning which meant the old media where about to be ridiculed online for not naming Lehrmann and lose a lot of internet traffic at least until Lehrmann’s court date next month.
(Pic 4)
The media, which is all the old media, who fell into line and did not name Bruce Lehrmann when there is no legal basis not to were helping Australia head back to the silence culture days that allowed thousands of children to be raped which the Royal Commission exposed. And the same can be said for rape and sexual assault. All the old media should be ashamed and that is why it was important to do this article to try and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future.
Source-Kangaroo Court of Australia
sarahs mum said:
Old media forced to name Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann after running a Liberal Party protection racket for months
BY SHANE DOWLING ON AUGUST 8, 2021 •
Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann was served by the ACT police on Friday (6/8/21) with a summons, via his lawyers, to attend court on the 16th of September 2021 where he will be charged with rape. Until just after midday Saturday (7/8/21) the old media were still running a protection racket for the Liberal Party, which they had been running for months, and were refusing to name Lehrmann even though there was no legal reason to not name him.
All the old media were in on the protection racket with some grubby journalists going next level by telling lies and using social media to try to intimidate social media users by telling them they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Lehrmann. What is extremely disturbing about that is it promotes the silence culture which has protected all types of sexual predators for decades but more on that in a minute.
I have named Bruce Lehrmann in numerous articles over the last six months and named him in social media posts on Friday for being summoned by the police to face rape chrages and the website True Crimes News Weekly published on article on Friday naming Lehrmann. But some trolls on social media started attacking us for naming Lehrmann and some journalists jumped on board as well saying not to name him as it might put the trial at risk which is just lies.
And you only have to look to Thursday (5/8/21) to realise that. Hillsong’s Brian Houston was summoned, via his lawyers, on Thursday to appear in court in October as well and all the media reported that and no one attacked me on social media for reporting it. So, what is the difference with Bruce Lehrmann? The answer is Lehrmann has the potential to do a thousand times more damage to the government as government MP’s and staffers are certain to be called as witnesses to the trial which could include Brittany Higgin’s former bosses one of which is current Attorney-General Michaelia Cash.
Any court case will be the ultimate humiliation for the Scott Morrison government as many lies by the government regarding their handling of the scandal will be exposed.
All states including the ACT have laws that you cannot name victims or alleged victims of sex crimes and that is to protect the alleged victims not to protect the alleged offender but some in the media were claiming different on Friday and have been for months since this matter was first exposed.
Channel 9 gave in and named Lehrmann in a short article just after midday on Saturday (7/8/21), just after 2pm News.com.au named Lehrmann in an article and just after 5pm the SMH website named him. Other media if not all will be certain to now follow and name Lehrmann.
It is worth having look at what has happened with the media not naming Lehrmann for months and especially the 24 hours after the police media release on Friday where lies, threats and intimidation were used to try and silence myself, True Crimes News Weekly and social media users to not name Lehrmann.
Other media not naming Lehrmann has never been about the law it has always been about protecting the Liberal Party because it does not matter whether Lehrmann is guilty or innocent the Liberal Party still have a lot of questions to answer about their attempted cover-up over the last 2 years. Only Brittany Higgins and Bruce Lehrmann know if he is guilty or not, but a jury will look at all the evidence and make a decision. But the Liberal Party did not care about his guilt or innocence, they went straight into cover-up mode when the alleged rape happened over 2 years ago.
And one thing is for certain and that is Scott Morrison’s media people and advisors have been leaning on the old media over the last six months not to name Lehrmann because they did not want to give the issue oxygen which is what will happen now more media are starting to name him. Potentially other witnesses or victims will now come forward but what is worse for the Liberal Party and what they are really worried about is potentially other witnesses to the Liberal Party’s cover-up will come forward.
The fact that many reporters were and some still are aiding and abetting the Liberal Party in keeping his name out of the media shows how much the Liberal Party are able to influence the media to help conceal their dirty laundry.
Why it is important to name alleged criminals including alleged rapists – Open justice
“Open justice is one of the fundamental attributes of a fair trial. That the administration of justice must take place in open court is a ‘fundamental rule of the common law’. The High Court has said that ‘the rationale of the open court principle is that court proceedings should be subjected to public and professional scrutiny, and courts will not act contrary to the principle save in exceptional circumstances’.” (Click here to read more https://www.alrc.gov.au/…/10-fair-trial/open-justice/)
Culture of silence
Old media not naming alleged criminals is the same pattern that lead to the widespread rape of children in institutions as exposed by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. If you watched the Royal Commission, you would have heard the same story over and over again from different victims about how they were silenced to not name the priest or carer who abused them. Their parents told them not to name the priest, the police told them not to name the priest and other priests told them not to name the priest, so the priest kept on abusing more children.
Making sure the priests or carers were not named was a deliberate coordinated strategy to make sure the priests were never exposed, and it allowed them to keep on raping children. The same thing happens with rape and sexual assault where there is pressure on victims not to name predators.
I thought the cycle of not naming alleged rapists and paedophiles was over with the Royal Commission, but it has reared its ugly head again with Bruce Lehrmann and the media are the worst culprits. Why? The Liberal Party connection is the obvious answer.
By the media not naming Lehrmann, whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant, means we were heading back to the days when certain people are protected from being exposed if it suits those in power. Everyone else gets named as that is how the justice system works. It’s called “open justice” and it is meant to make sure the legal system works how it is meant to and make sure the legal system is not abused by the rich and powerful.
Not only were the old media refusing to name Bruce Lehrmann, and some still are at this point, when there is no legal basis not to, but some journalists have been going onto social media, making up lies, and telling others they should not name Lehrmann as well which is very grubby stuff. If the media had legitimate reasons not to name Lehrmann they wouldn’t need to make up lies and use scare tactics claiming people could be charged with contempt of court.
The below message on Twitter was posted on Friday (6/8/21) and is by ABC Four Corners journalist Lucy Carter and was supported by Louise Milligan who is also an ABC Four Corners journalist.
(Pic 2)
Lucy Carter was lying by telling people they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Bruce Lehrmann and Louise Milligan helped promote the lie. That helps promote the silence culture and they should both know better especially Ms Milligan who has written extensively on paedophiles, sexual assault and how victims don’t get justice. The good work Ms Milligan does not justify her telling lies and promoting lies whether it is deliberate or not.
Lucy Carter replied, and I sent follow-up questions as per below:
(Pic 3)
Yes, Lucy Carter says “I prefer caution” so she lies and tells people they could be charged with contempt of court if they name Bruce Lehrmann and they risk the outcome of the court case. Many people would believe the lies told by Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan because they are Four Corners reporters. Both should apologise to the public and not speak out of school when they clearly have no clue.
Channel 10’s Lisa Wilkinson who broke the Brittany Higgins story tweeted on Friday:
“On the issue of the 26 yo man summonsed for an alleged sexual assault of a woman in Parliament House in March 2019 can I implore everyone to respect what’s in play here. Naming the man on social media & passing judgement could have dire consequences for the outcome of any trial.” (Click here to see on Twitter https://twitter.com/lisa…/status/1423527733636698112…)
Lisa Wilkinson tells the public not to name Bruce Lehrmann, but Wilkinson is the one who has been naming Brittany Higgins every chance she gets and telling the public all the details of the alleged rape.
Is she for real? Where do these people get off telling social media users what they can and can’t say based on lies they are telling about the law? I wonder what Lisa Wilkinson, Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan will say now that Nine, News and the SMH have named Lehrmann?
Everyone watches TV or uses the internet and we can see the media naming alleged criminals everyday but as soon as the old media don’t want someone named, they jump on thier social media accounts and start lying and trying to intimidate people into not naming alleged criminals. A couple of other journalists did the same thing and told Twitter users not to share my article when I named Christian Porter on the 2nd of March as the minister who allegedly raped Katharine Thornton. That article went viral and forced Porter to have a press conference the next day to out himself as the minister.
One of the journalists who told Twitter users not to share the Porter article was Lisa Wilkinson’s husband Peter FitzSimons. The “we are smarter than everyone else so we can tell people what to do” mentality seems to be a family trait. Most old media compnaies and quite a few old media journalists do not like new media journalists changing the status quo and for whatever reason Lisa Wilkinson and Peter FitzSimons seem to be two of them.
Others in the media were saying they were not naming Lehrmann because of legal reasons but that is the same media who openly named Hillsong’s Brian Houston the day before in exactly the same circumstances. It is the same media who are happy to name Brittany Higgins even though she is the one the law is meant to protect. If the media are not going to name someone it is Brittany Higgins they shouldn’t name not Bruce Lehrmann. But as we know Brittany Higgins has outed herself so there is no reason not to name her and no reason not to name Bruce Lehrmann.
Why did the old media take 24 hours after the police media release to start naming Lehrmann? The old media were left with little choice except to name Bruce Lehrmann as they were losing a lot of internet traffic to this website, True Crimes News Weekly and a few smaller websites. Also, I Tweeted the below on Saturday morning which meant the old media where about to be ridiculed online for not naming Lehrmann and lose a lot of internet traffic at least until Lehrmann’s court date next month.
(Pic 4)
The media, which is all the old media, who fell into line and did not name Bruce Lehrmann when there is no legal basis not to were helping Australia head back to the silence culture days that allowed thousands of children to be raped which the Royal Commission exposed. And the same can be said for rape and sexual assault. All the old media should be ashamed and that is why it was important to do this article to try and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future.
Source-Kangaroo Court of Australia
Wasn’t there a post the other day asking that he not be named so as to not cloud the issue in front of a jury?
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Old media forced to name Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann after running a Liberal Party protection racket for months
BY SHANE DOWLING ON AUGUST 8, 2021 •
Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann was served by the ACT police on Friday (6/8/21) with a summons, via his lawyers, to attend court on the 16th of September 2021 where he will be charged with rape. Until just after midday Saturday (7/8/21) the old media were still running a protection racket for the Liberal Party, which they had been running for months, and were refusing to name Lehrmann even though there was no legal reason to not name him.
All the old media were in on the protection racket with some grubby journalists going next level by telling lies and using social media to try to intimidate social media users by telling them they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Lehrmann. What is extremely disturbing about that is it promotes the silence culture which has protected all types of sexual predators for decades but more on that in a minute.
I have named Bruce Lehrmann in numerous articles over the last six months and named him in social media posts on Friday for being summoned by the police to face rape chrages and the website True Crimes News Weekly published on article on Friday naming Lehrmann. But some trolls on social media started attacking us for naming Lehrmann and some journalists jumped on board as well saying not to name him as it might put the trial at risk which is just lies.
And you only have to look to Thursday (5/8/21) to realise that. Hillsong’s Brian Houston was summoned, via his lawyers, on Thursday to appear in court in October as well and all the media reported that and no one attacked me on social media for reporting it. So, what is the difference with Bruce Lehrmann? The answer is Lehrmann has the potential to do a thousand times more damage to the government as government MP’s and staffers are certain to be called as witnesses to the trial which could include Brittany Higgin’s former bosses one of which is current Attorney-General Michaelia Cash.
Any court case will be the ultimate humiliation for the Scott Morrison government as many lies by the government regarding their handling of the scandal will be exposed.
All states including the ACT have laws that you cannot name victims or alleged victims of sex crimes and that is to protect the alleged victims not to protect the alleged offender but some in the media were claiming different on Friday and have been for months since this matter was first exposed.
Channel 9 gave in and named Lehrmann in a short article just after midday on Saturday (7/8/21), just after 2pm News.com.au named Lehrmann in an article and just after 5pm the SMH website named him. Other media if not all will be certain to now follow and name Lehrmann.
It is worth having look at what has happened with the media not naming Lehrmann for months and especially the 24 hours after the police media release on Friday where lies, threats and intimidation were used to try and silence myself, True Crimes News Weekly and social media users to not name Lehrmann.
Other media not naming Lehrmann has never been about the law it has always been about protecting the Liberal Party because it does not matter whether Lehrmann is guilty or innocent the Liberal Party still have a lot of questions to answer about their attempted cover-up over the last 2 years. Only Brittany Higgins and Bruce Lehrmann know if he is guilty or not, but a jury will look at all the evidence and make a decision. But the Liberal Party did not care about his guilt or innocence, they went straight into cover-up mode when the alleged rape happened over 2 years ago.
And one thing is for certain and that is Scott Morrison’s media people and advisors have been leaning on the old media over the last six months not to name Lehrmann because they did not want to give the issue oxygen which is what will happen now more media are starting to name him. Potentially other witnesses or victims will now come forward but what is worse for the Liberal Party and what they are really worried about is potentially other witnesses to the Liberal Party’s cover-up will come forward.
The fact that many reporters were and some still are aiding and abetting the Liberal Party in keeping his name out of the media shows how much the Liberal Party are able to influence the media to help conceal their dirty laundry.
Why it is important to name alleged criminals including alleged rapists – Open justice
“Open justice is one of the fundamental attributes of a fair trial. That the administration of justice must take place in open court is a ‘fundamental rule of the common law’. The High Court has said that ‘the rationale of the open court principle is that court proceedings should be subjected to public and professional scrutiny, and courts will not act contrary to the principle save in exceptional circumstances’.” (Click here to read more https://www.alrc.gov.au/…/10-fair-trial/open-justice/)
Culture of silence
Old media not naming alleged criminals is the same pattern that lead to the widespread rape of children in institutions as exposed by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. If you watched the Royal Commission, you would have heard the same story over and over again from different victims about how they were silenced to not name the priest or carer who abused them. Their parents told them not to name the priest, the police told them not to name the priest and other priests told them not to name the priest, so the priest kept on abusing more children.
Making sure the priests or carers were not named was a deliberate coordinated strategy to make sure the priests were never exposed, and it allowed them to keep on raping children. The same thing happens with rape and sexual assault where there is pressure on victims not to name predators.
I thought the cycle of not naming alleged rapists and paedophiles was over with the Royal Commission, but it has reared its ugly head again with Bruce Lehrmann and the media are the worst culprits. Why? The Liberal Party connection is the obvious answer.
By the media not naming Lehrmann, whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant, means we were heading back to the days when certain people are protected from being exposed if it suits those in power. Everyone else gets named as that is how the justice system works. It’s called “open justice” and it is meant to make sure the legal system works how it is meant to and make sure the legal system is not abused by the rich and powerful.
Not only were the old media refusing to name Bruce Lehrmann, and some still are at this point, when there is no legal basis not to, but some journalists have been going onto social media, making up lies, and telling others they should not name Lehrmann as well which is very grubby stuff. If the media had legitimate reasons not to name Lehrmann they wouldn’t need to make up lies and use scare tactics claiming people could be charged with contempt of court.
The below message on Twitter was posted on Friday (6/8/21) and is by ABC Four Corners journalist Lucy Carter and was supported by Louise Milligan who is also an ABC Four Corners journalist.
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Lucy Carter was lying by telling people they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Bruce Lehrmann and Louise Milligan helped promote the lie. That helps promote the silence culture and they should both know better especially Ms Milligan who has written extensively on paedophiles, sexual assault and how victims don’t get justice. The good work Ms Milligan does not justify her telling lies and promoting lies whether it is deliberate or not.
Lucy Carter replied, and I sent follow-up questions as per below:
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Yes, Lucy Carter says “I prefer caution” so she lies and tells people they could be charged with contempt of court if they name Bruce Lehrmann and they risk the outcome of the court case. Many people would believe the lies told by Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan because they are Four Corners reporters. Both should apologise to the public and not speak out of school when they clearly have no clue.
Channel 10’s Lisa Wilkinson who broke the Brittany Higgins story tweeted on Friday:
“On the issue of the 26 yo man summonsed for an alleged sexual assault of a woman in Parliament House in March 2019 can I implore everyone to respect what’s in play here. Naming the man on social media & passing judgement could have dire consequences for the outcome of any trial.” (Click here to see on Twitter https://twitter.com/lisa…/status/1423527733636698112…)
Lisa Wilkinson tells the public not to name Bruce Lehrmann, but Wilkinson is the one who has been naming Brittany Higgins every chance she gets and telling the public all the details of the alleged rape.
Is she for real? Where do these people get off telling social media users what they can and can’t say based on lies they are telling about the law? I wonder what Lisa Wilkinson, Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan will say now that Nine, News and the SMH have named Lehrmann?
Everyone watches TV or uses the internet and we can see the media naming alleged criminals everyday but as soon as the old media don’t want someone named, they jump on thier social media accounts and start lying and trying to intimidate people into not naming alleged criminals. A couple of other journalists did the same thing and told Twitter users not to share my article when I named Christian Porter on the 2nd of March as the minister who allegedly raped Katharine Thornton. That article went viral and forced Porter to have a press conference the next day to out himself as the minister.
One of the journalists who told Twitter users not to share the Porter article was Lisa Wilkinson’s husband Peter FitzSimons. The “we are smarter than everyone else so we can tell people what to do” mentality seems to be a family trait. Most old media compnaies and quite a few old media journalists do not like new media journalists changing the status quo and for whatever reason Lisa Wilkinson and Peter FitzSimons seem to be two of them.
Others in the media were saying they were not naming Lehrmann because of legal reasons but that is the same media who openly named Hillsong’s Brian Houston the day before in exactly the same circumstances. It is the same media who are happy to name Brittany Higgins even though she is the one the law is meant to protect. If the media are not going to name someone it is Brittany Higgins they shouldn’t name not Bruce Lehrmann. But as we know Brittany Higgins has outed herself so there is no reason not to name her and no reason not to name Bruce Lehrmann.
Why did the old media take 24 hours after the police media release to start naming Lehrmann? The old media were left with little choice except to name Bruce Lehrmann as they were losing a lot of internet traffic to this website, True Crimes News Weekly and a few smaller websites. Also, I Tweeted the below on Saturday morning which meant the old media where about to be ridiculed online for not naming Lehrmann and lose a lot of internet traffic at least until Lehrmann’s court date next month.
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The media, which is all the old media, who fell into line and did not name Bruce Lehrmann when there is no legal basis not to were helping Australia head back to the silence culture days that allowed thousands of children to be raped which the Royal Commission exposed. And the same can be said for rape and sexual assault. All the old media should be ashamed and that is why it was important to do this article to try and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future.
Source-Kangaroo Court of Australia
Wasn’t there a post the other day asking that he not be named so as to not cloud the issue in front of a jury?
Yes.
But that post (sorry for not breaking it up) seems to suggest we have been had.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Old media forced to name Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann after running a Liberal Party protection racket for months
BY SHANE DOWLING ON AUGUST 8, 2021 •
Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann was served by the ACT police on Friday (6/8/21) with a summons, via his lawyers, to attend court on the 16th of September 2021 where he will be charged with rape. Until just after midday Saturday (7/8/21) the old media were still running a protection racket for the Liberal Party, which they had been running for months, and were refusing to name Lehrmann even though there was no legal reason to not name him.
All the old media were in on the protection racket with some grubby journalists going next level by telling lies and using social media to try to intimidate social media users by telling them they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Lehrmann. What is extremely disturbing about that is it promotes the silence culture which has protected all types of sexual predators for decades but more on that in a minute.
I have named Bruce Lehrmann in numerous articles over the last six months and named him in social media posts on Friday for being summoned by the police to face rape chrages and the website True Crimes News Weekly published on article on Friday naming Lehrmann. But some trolls on social media started attacking us for naming Lehrmann and some journalists jumped on board as well saying not to name him as it might put the trial at risk which is just lies.
And you only have to look to Thursday (5/8/21) to realise that. Hillsong’s Brian Houston was summoned, via his lawyers, on Thursday to appear in court in October as well and all the media reported that and no one attacked me on social media for reporting it. So, what is the difference with Bruce Lehrmann? The answer is Lehrmann has the potential to do a thousand times more damage to the government as government MP’s and staffers are certain to be called as witnesses to the trial which could include Brittany Higgin’s former bosses one of which is current Attorney-General Michaelia Cash.
Any court case will be the ultimate humiliation for the Scott Morrison government as many lies by the government regarding their handling of the scandal will be exposed.
All states including the ACT have laws that you cannot name victims or alleged victims of sex crimes and that is to protect the alleged victims not to protect the alleged offender but some in the media were claiming different on Friday and have been for months since this matter was first exposed.
Channel 9 gave in and named Lehrmann in a short article just after midday on Saturday (7/8/21), just after 2pm News.com.au named Lehrmann in an article and just after 5pm the SMH website named him. Other media if not all will be certain to now follow and name Lehrmann.
It is worth having look at what has happened with the media not naming Lehrmann for months and especially the 24 hours after the police media release on Friday where lies, threats and intimidation were used to try and silence myself, True Crimes News Weekly and social media users to not name Lehrmann.
Other media not naming Lehrmann has never been about the law it has always been about protecting the Liberal Party because it does not matter whether Lehrmann is guilty or innocent the Liberal Party still have a lot of questions to answer about their attempted cover-up over the last 2 years. Only Brittany Higgins and Bruce Lehrmann know if he is guilty or not, but a jury will look at all the evidence and make a decision. But the Liberal Party did not care about his guilt or innocence, they went straight into cover-up mode when the alleged rape happened over 2 years ago.
And one thing is for certain and that is Scott Morrison’s media people and advisors have been leaning on the old media over the last six months not to name Lehrmann because they did not want to give the issue oxygen which is what will happen now more media are starting to name him. Potentially other witnesses or victims will now come forward but what is worse for the Liberal Party and what they are really worried about is potentially other witnesses to the Liberal Party’s cover-up will come forward.
The fact that many reporters were and some still are aiding and abetting the Liberal Party in keeping his name out of the media shows how much the Liberal Party are able to influence the media to help conceal their dirty laundry.
Why it is important to name alleged criminals including alleged rapists – Open justice
“Open justice is one of the fundamental attributes of a fair trial. That the administration of justice must take place in open court is a ‘fundamental rule of the common law’. The High Court has said that ‘the rationale of the open court principle is that court proceedings should be subjected to public and professional scrutiny, and courts will not act contrary to the principle save in exceptional circumstances’.” (Click here to read more https://www.alrc.gov.au/…/10-fair-trial/open-justice/)
Culture of silence
Old media not naming alleged criminals is the same pattern that lead to the widespread rape of children in institutions as exposed by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. If you watched the Royal Commission, you would have heard the same story over and over again from different victims about how they were silenced to not name the priest or carer who abused them. Their parents told them not to name the priest, the police told them not to name the priest and other priests told them not to name the priest, so the priest kept on abusing more children.
Making sure the priests or carers were not named was a deliberate coordinated strategy to make sure the priests were never exposed, and it allowed them to keep on raping children. The same thing happens with rape and sexual assault where there is pressure on victims not to name predators.
I thought the cycle of not naming alleged rapists and paedophiles was over with the Royal Commission, but it has reared its ugly head again with Bruce Lehrmann and the media are the worst culprits. Why? The Liberal Party connection is the obvious answer.
By the media not naming Lehrmann, whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant, means we were heading back to the days when certain people are protected from being exposed if it suits those in power. Everyone else gets named as that is how the justice system works. It’s called “open justice” and it is meant to make sure the legal system works how it is meant to and make sure the legal system is not abused by the rich and powerful.
Not only were the old media refusing to name Bruce Lehrmann, and some still are at this point, when there is no legal basis not to, but some journalists have been going onto social media, making up lies, and telling others they should not name Lehrmann as well which is very grubby stuff. If the media had legitimate reasons not to name Lehrmann they wouldn’t need to make up lies and use scare tactics claiming people could be charged with contempt of court.
The below message on Twitter was posted on Friday (6/8/21) and is by ABC Four Corners journalist Lucy Carter and was supported by Louise Milligan who is also an ABC Four Corners journalist.
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Lucy Carter was lying by telling people they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Bruce Lehrmann and Louise Milligan helped promote the lie. That helps promote the silence culture and they should both know better especially Ms Milligan who has written extensively on paedophiles, sexual assault and how victims don’t get justice. The good work Ms Milligan does not justify her telling lies and promoting lies whether it is deliberate or not.
Lucy Carter replied, and I sent follow-up questions as per below:
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Yes, Lucy Carter says “I prefer caution” so she lies and tells people they could be charged with contempt of court if they name Bruce Lehrmann and they risk the outcome of the court case. Many people would believe the lies told by Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan because they are Four Corners reporters. Both should apologise to the public and not speak out of school when they clearly have no clue.
Channel 10’s Lisa Wilkinson who broke the Brittany Higgins story tweeted on Friday:
“On the issue of the 26 yo man summonsed for an alleged sexual assault of a woman in Parliament House in March 2019 can I implore everyone to respect what’s in play here. Naming the man on social media & passing judgement could have dire consequences for the outcome of any trial.” (Click here to see on Twitter https://twitter.com/lisa…/status/1423527733636698112…)
Lisa Wilkinson tells the public not to name Bruce Lehrmann, but Wilkinson is the one who has been naming Brittany Higgins every chance she gets and telling the public all the details of the alleged rape.
Is she for real? Where do these people get off telling social media users what they can and can’t say based on lies they are telling about the law? I wonder what Lisa Wilkinson, Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan will say now that Nine, News and the SMH have named Lehrmann?
Everyone watches TV or uses the internet and we can see the media naming alleged criminals everyday but as soon as the old media don’t want someone named, they jump on thier social media accounts and start lying and trying to intimidate people into not naming alleged criminals. A couple of other journalists did the same thing and told Twitter users not to share my article when I named Christian Porter on the 2nd of March as the minister who allegedly raped Katharine Thornton. That article went viral and forced Porter to have a press conference the next day to out himself as the minister.
One of the journalists who told Twitter users not to share the Porter article was Lisa Wilkinson’s husband Peter FitzSimons. The “we are smarter than everyone else so we can tell people what to do” mentality seems to be a family trait. Most old media compnaies and quite a few old media journalists do not like new media journalists changing the status quo and for whatever reason Lisa Wilkinson and Peter FitzSimons seem to be two of them.
Others in the media were saying they were not naming Lehrmann because of legal reasons but that is the same media who openly named Hillsong’s Brian Houston the day before in exactly the same circumstances. It is the same media who are happy to name Brittany Higgins even though she is the one the law is meant to protect. If the media are not going to name someone it is Brittany Higgins they shouldn’t name not Bruce Lehrmann. But as we know Brittany Higgins has outed herself so there is no reason not to name her and no reason not to name Bruce Lehrmann.
Why did the old media take 24 hours after the police media release to start naming Lehrmann? The old media were left with little choice except to name Bruce Lehrmann as they were losing a lot of internet traffic to this website, True Crimes News Weekly and a few smaller websites. Also, I Tweeted the below on Saturday morning which meant the old media where about to be ridiculed online for not naming Lehrmann and lose a lot of internet traffic at least until Lehrmann’s court date next month.
(Pic 4)
The media, which is all the old media, who fell into line and did not name Bruce Lehrmann when there is no legal basis not to were helping Australia head back to the silence culture days that allowed thousands of children to be raped which the Royal Commission exposed. And the same can be said for rape and sexual assault. All the old media should be ashamed and that is why it was important to do this article to try and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future.
Source-Kangaroo Court of Australia
Wasn’t there a post the other day asking that he not be named so as to not cloud the issue in front of a jury?
Only read the first 4 or 5 lines of that, but I’ll just say that I don’t think it’s a good idea to try and make party political capital from an active rape-case.
Plenty of time for that after the verdict is finalised.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Old media forced to name Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann after running a Liberal Party protection racket for months
BY SHANE DOWLING ON AUGUST 8, 2021 •
Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann was served by the ACT police on Friday (6/8/21) with a summons, via his lawyers, to attend court on the 16th of September 2021 where he will be charged with rape. Until just after midday Saturday (7/8/21) the old media were still running a protection racket for the Liberal Party, which they had been running for months, and were refusing to name Lehrmann even though there was no legal reason to not name him.
All the old media were in on the protection racket with some grubby journalists going next level by telling lies and using social media to try to intimidate social media users by telling them they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Lehrmann. What is extremely disturbing about that is it promotes the silence culture which has protected all types of sexual predators for decades but more on that in a minute.
I have named Bruce Lehrmann in numerous articles over the last six months and named him in social media posts on Friday for being summoned by the police to face rape chrages and the website True Crimes News Weekly published on article on Friday naming Lehrmann. But some trolls on social media started attacking us for naming Lehrmann and some journalists jumped on board as well saying not to name him as it might put the trial at risk which is just lies.
And you only have to look to Thursday (5/8/21) to realise that. Hillsong’s Brian Houston was summoned, via his lawyers, on Thursday to appear in court in October as well and all the media reported that and no one attacked me on social media for reporting it. So, what is the difference with Bruce Lehrmann? The answer is Lehrmann has the potential to do a thousand times more damage to the government as government MP’s and staffers are certain to be called as witnesses to the trial which could include Brittany Higgin’s former bosses one of which is current Attorney-General Michaelia Cash.
Any court case will be the ultimate humiliation for the Scott Morrison government as many lies by the government regarding their handling of the scandal will be exposed.
All states including the ACT have laws that you cannot name victims or alleged victims of sex crimes and that is to protect the alleged victims not to protect the alleged offender but some in the media were claiming different on Friday and have been for months since this matter was first exposed.
Channel 9 gave in and named Lehrmann in a short article just after midday on Saturday (7/8/21), just after 2pm News.com.au named Lehrmann in an article and just after 5pm the SMH website named him. Other media if not all will be certain to now follow and name Lehrmann.
It is worth having look at what has happened with the media not naming Lehrmann for months and especially the 24 hours after the police media release on Friday where lies, threats and intimidation were used to try and silence myself, True Crimes News Weekly and social media users to not name Lehrmann.
Other media not naming Lehrmann has never been about the law it has always been about protecting the Liberal Party because it does not matter whether Lehrmann is guilty or innocent the Liberal Party still have a lot of questions to answer about their attempted cover-up over the last 2 years. Only Brittany Higgins and Bruce Lehrmann know if he is guilty or not, but a jury will look at all the evidence and make a decision. But the Liberal Party did not care about his guilt or innocence, they went straight into cover-up mode when the alleged rape happened over 2 years ago.
And one thing is for certain and that is Scott Morrison’s media people and advisors have been leaning on the old media over the last six months not to name Lehrmann because they did not want to give the issue oxygen which is what will happen now more media are starting to name him. Potentially other witnesses or victims will now come forward but what is worse for the Liberal Party and what they are really worried about is potentially other witnesses to the Liberal Party’s cover-up will come forward.
The fact that many reporters were and some still are aiding and abetting the Liberal Party in keeping his name out of the media shows how much the Liberal Party are able to influence the media to help conceal their dirty laundry.
Why it is important to name alleged criminals including alleged rapists – Open justice
“Open justice is one of the fundamental attributes of a fair trial. That the administration of justice must take place in open court is a ‘fundamental rule of the common law’. The High Court has said that ‘the rationale of the open court principle is that court proceedings should be subjected to public and professional scrutiny, and courts will not act contrary to the principle save in exceptional circumstances’.” (Click here to read more https://www.alrc.gov.au/…/10-fair-trial/open-justice/)
Culture of silence
Old media not naming alleged criminals is the same pattern that lead to the widespread rape of children in institutions as exposed by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. If you watched the Royal Commission, you would have heard the same story over and over again from different victims about how they were silenced to not name the priest or carer who abused them. Their parents told them not to name the priest, the police told them not to name the priest and other priests told them not to name the priest, so the priest kept on abusing more children.
Making sure the priests or carers were not named was a deliberate coordinated strategy to make sure the priests were never exposed, and it allowed them to keep on raping children. The same thing happens with rape and sexual assault where there is pressure on victims not to name predators.
I thought the cycle of not naming alleged rapists and paedophiles was over with the Royal Commission, but it has reared its ugly head again with Bruce Lehrmann and the media are the worst culprits. Why? The Liberal Party connection is the obvious answer.
By the media not naming Lehrmann, whether he is guilty or not is irrelevant, means we were heading back to the days when certain people are protected from being exposed if it suits those in power. Everyone else gets named as that is how the justice system works. It’s called “open justice” and it is meant to make sure the legal system works how it is meant to and make sure the legal system is not abused by the rich and powerful.
Not only were the old media refusing to name Bruce Lehrmann, and some still are at this point, when there is no legal basis not to, but some journalists have been going onto social media, making up lies, and telling others they should not name Lehrmann as well which is very grubby stuff. If the media had legitimate reasons not to name Lehrmann they wouldn’t need to make up lies and use scare tactics claiming people could be charged with contempt of court.
The below message on Twitter was posted on Friday (6/8/21) and is by ABC Four Corners journalist Lucy Carter and was supported by Louise Milligan who is also an ABC Four Corners journalist.
(Pic 2)
Lucy Carter was lying by telling people they could be charged with contempt of court if they named Bruce Lehrmann and Louise Milligan helped promote the lie. That helps promote the silence culture and they should both know better especially Ms Milligan who has written extensively on paedophiles, sexual assault and how victims don’t get justice. The good work Ms Milligan does not justify her telling lies and promoting lies whether it is deliberate or not.
Lucy Carter replied, and I sent follow-up questions as per below:
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Yes, Lucy Carter says “I prefer caution” so she lies and tells people they could be charged with contempt of court if they name Bruce Lehrmann and they risk the outcome of the court case. Many people would believe the lies told by Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan because they are Four Corners reporters. Both should apologise to the public and not speak out of school when they clearly have no clue.
Channel 10’s Lisa Wilkinson who broke the Brittany Higgins story tweeted on Friday:
“On the issue of the 26 yo man summonsed for an alleged sexual assault of a woman in Parliament House in March 2019 can I implore everyone to respect what’s in play here. Naming the man on social media & passing judgement could have dire consequences for the outcome of any trial.” (Click here to see on Twitter https://twitter.com/lisa…/status/1423527733636698112…)
Lisa Wilkinson tells the public not to name Bruce Lehrmann, but Wilkinson is the one who has been naming Brittany Higgins every chance she gets and telling the public all the details of the alleged rape.
Is she for real? Where do these people get off telling social media users what they can and can’t say based on lies they are telling about the law? I wonder what Lisa Wilkinson, Lucy Carter and Louise Milligan will say now that Nine, News and the SMH have named Lehrmann?
Everyone watches TV or uses the internet and we can see the media naming alleged criminals everyday but as soon as the old media don’t want someone named, they jump on thier social media accounts and start lying and trying to intimidate people into not naming alleged criminals. A couple of other journalists did the same thing and told Twitter users not to share my article when I named Christian Porter on the 2nd of March as the minister who allegedly raped Katharine Thornton. That article went viral and forced Porter to have a press conference the next day to out himself as the minister.
One of the journalists who told Twitter users not to share the Porter article was Lisa Wilkinson’s husband Peter FitzSimons. The “we are smarter than everyone else so we can tell people what to do” mentality seems to be a family trait. Most old media compnaies and quite a few old media journalists do not like new media journalists changing the status quo and for whatever reason Lisa Wilkinson and Peter FitzSimons seem to be two of them.
Others in the media were saying they were not naming Lehrmann because of legal reasons but that is the same media who openly named Hillsong’s Brian Houston the day before in exactly the same circumstances. It is the same media who are happy to name Brittany Higgins even though she is the one the law is meant to protect. If the media are not going to name someone it is Brittany Higgins they shouldn’t name not Bruce Lehrmann. But as we know Brittany Higgins has outed herself so there is no reason not to name her and no reason not to name Bruce Lehrmann.
Why did the old media take 24 hours after the police media release to start naming Lehrmann? The old media were left with little choice except to name Bruce Lehrmann as they were losing a lot of internet traffic to this website, True Crimes News Weekly and a few smaller websites. Also, I Tweeted the below on Saturday morning which meant the old media where about to be ridiculed online for not naming Lehrmann and lose a lot of internet traffic at least until Lehrmann’s court date next month.
(Pic 4)
The media, which is all the old media, who fell into line and did not name Bruce Lehrmann when there is no legal basis not to were helping Australia head back to the silence culture days that allowed thousands of children to be raped which the Royal Commission exposed. And the same can be said for rape and sexual assault. All the old media should be ashamed and that is why it was important to do this article to try and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future.
Source-Kangaroo Court of Australia
Wasn’t there a post the other day asking that he not be named so as to not cloud the issue in front of a jury?
Yes.
But that post (sorry for not breaking it up) seems to suggest we have been had.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:Wasn’t there a post the other day asking that he not be named so as to not cloud the issue in front of a jury?
Yes.
But that post (sorry for not breaking it up) seems to suggest we have been had.
I’m no political expert, but I think that’s just wrong.
There are good legal reasons to not have discussion of active criminal cases before the trial.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m no political expert, but I think that’s just wrong.
There are good legal reasons to not have discussion of active criminal cases before the trial.
Indeed.
Not sure there is much political difference between the accused being referred to by their name or as “A Liberal staffer”.
Plenty of time for names to be revealed after/during the actual trial.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:Yes.
But that post (sorry for not breaking it up) seems to suggest we have been had.
I’m no political expert, but I think that’s just wrong.
There are good legal reasons to not have discussion of active criminal cases before the trial.
Yes.
I think the issue is that plebs are named and discussed and so why is this bloke being treated different?
Boris said:
I think the issue is that plebs are named and discussed and so why is this bloke being treated different?
Because unlike the majority of cases this is front page news and not a small article on page 17 that gets printed once.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
I think the issue is that plebs are named and discussed and so why is this bloke being treated different?
Because unlike the majority of cases this is front page news and not a small article on page 17 that gets printed once.
Been lots of cases that involve relative nobodies that have been front page and gone on for ages.
Boris said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:
I think the issue is that plebs are named and discussed and so why is this bloke being treated different?
Because unlike the majority of cases this is front page news and not a small article on page 17 that gets printed once.
Been lots of cases that involve relative nobodies that have been front page and gone on for ages.
Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
Especially if they’re part of the Feder
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
sibeen said:Because unlike the majority of cases this is front page news and not a small article on page 17 that gets printed once.
Been lots of cases that involve relative nobodies that have been front page and gone on for ages.
Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
Especially if they’re part of the Feder
sarahs mum said:
Old media forced to name Brittany Higgin’s alleged rapist Bruce Lehrmann after running a Liberal Party protection racket for months
BY SHANE DOWLING ON AUGUST 8, 2021 •
I’ll bet you a fiver he gets off
sibeen said:
Boris said:
I think the issue is that plebs are named and discussed and so why is this bloke being treated different?
Because unlike the majority of cases this is front page news and not a small article on page 17 that gets printed once.
Apart from which, the plebs shouldn’t be named.
ABC News, 04 July:
‘Collingwood’s Jordan De Goey charged with indecent assault over alleged 2015 incident’
Were the media as hesitant to name names in De Goey’s case?
And ABC News today:
‘Indecent assault charge against AFL star Jordan De Goey dropped
Jordan De Goey was charged last year over an alleged incident from 2015, but prosecutors have now withdrawn the charges against him and his co-accused.’
Crikey
A year and a half after losing her job in the Morrison ministry amid the sports rorts affair, Senator Bridget McKenzie is back facing questions over her role in a new government grants scheme.
The $280 million Black Summer Bushfire Recovery Grants Program has been set up to help businesses and communities struggling after the 2019-20 bushfires. But just weeks after McKenzie announced the scheme in her newly appointed role as minister for emergency management, it’s already copping criticism.
Independent MP Helen Haines, of the marginal northern Victorian electorate of Indi — which will likely receive funding under the scheme — told Crikey she was concerned the minister had complete discretion over the funding — something that had been a key feature in the sports rorts and more recent commuter car park scandals.
“I’m really, really concerned that there is so much ministerial discretion in this grant. I think that’s a bad idea,” Haines said. “The scheme that should be firmly attached to need, and that need should be transparent.”
She also questioned the scheme’s eligibility criteria, which she believes could see towns unaffected by bushfires receive funding.
“You have to ask yourself about the eligibility of a town thousands of kilometres away from the 2020 bushfires. I just want an explanation. We have seen other grant programs rorted, there’s plenty of evidence of that. And there’s never any repercussions.”
East Gippsland Shire Council Mayor Mendy Urie, whose community was affected by the 2020 bushfires, said she was also concerned that money could end up going where it wasn’t needed. “We think that the guidelines weren’t appropriate and didn’t give appropriate weight to need,” she said.
A statement from the National Recovery and Resilience Agency defended the program, saying that the minister would make the final decision based on advice from an assessment committee.
“Grants will be determined on merit,” it said.
Three weeks after she returned to the front bench following the reappointment of Barnaby Joyce as Nationals leader, McKenzie is now in charge of overseeing millions in government grants schemes as part of the emergency management portfolio.
When questioned by Labor yesterday during question time over how many of those schemes she had complete discretion over, she defended the need for ministers to be the ultimate deciders when it comes to administering grants.
“Ministerial discretion is absolutely key to how our government functions,” she said. “My ministerial discretion, in other programs I’ve administered, resulted in a fairer outcome for Australian taxpayers.”
More than $5 billion in taxpayer funds have been misused due to inadequate checks on ministerial power according to the Centre for Public Integrity (CPI), which has exposed the extent to which taxpayer funds have been rorted by the federal government. It found a further $5 billion was at risk of being misused.
CPI chair Anthony Whealy QC warned ministerial oversight was the key factor that allowed the government to use taxpayer money for political gain.
“Ministers have too much control, departments aren’t following proper processes, and pork-barrelling is allowed to continue,” he said.
The scheme is one of many bushfire funding grants being run out of the Morrison government’s National Recovery and Resilience Agency, which has separately been accused of funnelling money to companies controlled by big political donors, including billionaire Anthony Pratt’s Visy paper recycling empire. The agency is now being overseen by former Liberal NT chief minister and ex-national president of the Liberal Party Shane Stone.
Labor’s disaster and emergency management spokesperson Murray Watt said McKenzie was not fit to oversee any funds.
“Barely a month into the job and we have already seen criticism of funding decisions for bushfire recovery under McKenzie’s watch,” he said. “These funds should be used for preparing, protecting and helping communities recover from disasters. Not used as another slush fund for Scott Morrison and Bridget McKenzie.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/minister-claims-car-park-top-marginal-seat-list-must-stay-secret-until-2039-20210809-p58h05.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/centrelink-orders-jobkeeper-recipients-to-pay-back-32m-while-profitable-businesses-allowed-to-keep-funds
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/josh-frydenbergs-office-intervened-in-superannuation-consultation-paper-foi-documents-reveal
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/centrelink-orders-jobkeeper-recipients-to-pay-back-32m-while-profitable-businesses-allowed-to-keep-funds
robodebting again.
Yesterday it was WIN taking the payout and then reducing services and sacking people. But all good.
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/centrelink-orders-jobkeeper-recipients-to-pay-back-32m-while-profitable-businesses-allowed-to-keep-funds
robodebting again.
Yesterday it was WIN taking the payout and then reducing services and sacking people. But all good.
They don’t seem to think they need to pretend any more
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/centrelink-orders-jobkeeper-recipients-to-pay-back-32m-while-profitable-businesses-allowed-to-keep-funds
robodebting again.
Yesterday it was WIN taking the payout and then reducing services and sacking people. But all good.
They don’t seem to think they need to pretend any more
Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:robodebting again.
Yesterday it was WIN taking the payout and then reducing services and sacking people. But all good.
They don’t seem to think they need to pretend any more
Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
Yup. Labor had their chance to fix things, but were happy to keep the status quo.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:robodebting again.
Yesterday it was WIN taking the payout and then reducing services and sacking people. But all good.
They don’t seem to think they need to pretend any more
Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
The regional TV network has cut nine local news bulletins and 20 staff after getting a $4.5m grant tied to maintaining journalism during Covid
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/09/calls-for-broadcaster-win-to-hand-back-grant-after-axing-staff-programs
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:They don’t seem to think they need to pretend any more
Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
Yup. Labor had their chance to fix things, but were happy to keep the status quo.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:They don’t seem to think they need to pretend any more
Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
Yup. Labor had their chance to fix things, but were happy to keep the status quo.
in fairness they got bent over and got the pineapple treatment at the last election.. I mean I liked their previous policy platform, but I completely understand why they dropped it. The fact it, there is probably a bigger argument for make their proposed changes now, than there was then.
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
Yup. Labor had their chance to fix things, but were happy to keep the status quo.
I meant that labor has had chances to be an opposition but they haven’t done so.
Labor, which has continually called on profitable businesses to pay back jobkeeper, initially backed the move but later pulled its support for Patrick’s amendment.’
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:Also it seems the Labor party is just waiting their turn.
Yup. Labor had their chance to fix things, but were happy to keep the status quo.
in fairness they got bent over and got the pineapple treatment at the last election.. I mean I liked their previous policy platform, but I completely understand why they dropped it. The fact it, there is probably a bigger argument for make their proposed changes now, than there was then.
This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Yup. Labor had their chance to fix things, but were happy to keep the status quo.
in fairness they got bent over and got the pineapple treatment at the last election.. I mean I liked their previous policy platform, but I completely understand why they dropped it. The fact it, there is probably a bigger argument for make their proposed changes now, than there was then.
This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness they got bent over and got the pineapple treatment at the last election.. I mean I liked their previous policy platform, but I completely understand why they dropped it. The fact it, there is probably a bigger argument for make their proposed changes now, than there was then.
This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness they got bent over and got the pineapple treatment at the last election.. I mean I liked their previous policy platform, but I completely understand why they dropped it. The fact it, there is probably a bigger argument for make their proposed changes now, than there was then.
This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
I know I am.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness they got bent over and got the pineapple treatment at the last election.. I mean I liked their previous policy platform, but I completely understand why they dropped it. The fact it, there is probably a bigger argument for make their proposed changes now, than there was then.
This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
I suppose we all know Ian Stewart’s beach Ice-cream salesman analogy?
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If that were true, Labor would win every election
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
I know I am.
narrows eyes
What are you doing in this above average forum then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:People are thick as shit.
I know I am.
narrows eyes
What are you doing in this above average forum then?
I’m an excellent driver
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If that were true, Labor would win every election
their own financial best interest – but yes I understand it’s a trope
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I know I am.
narrows eyes
What are you doing in this above average forum then?
I’m an excellent driver
That’s all right then.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If that were true, Labor would win every election
their own financial best interest – but yes I understand it’s a trope
Yes. Like 80 to 90% of people’s financial best interest would be to vote Labor all day every day.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:If that were true, Labor would win every election
their own financial best interest – but yes I understand it’s a trope
Yes. Like 80 to 90% of people’s financial best interest would be to vote Labor all day every day.
I think people also want tax breaks to continue in the vain hope that some day, they too, will be able to exploit the system
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If that were true, Labor would win every election
their own financial best interest – but yes I understand it’s a trope
If everybody voted in accordance with their best financial interests, then the party supporting the interests of the average working person would win every election.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
but those best interests were largely ‘collective’ best interests .. not individual ones
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.
I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
If you were a communist, wouldn’t you vote for the communist party?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
If you were a communist, wouldn’t you vote for the communist party?
Yeah but Labor will end up with my vote after distribution of preferences
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:This.
Labor came out with fully costed comprehensive policies last time around that would benefit the great majority of people. That’s apparently not what people want.
People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
I suppose we all know Ian Stewart’s beach Ice-cream salesman analogy?
I don’t.
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
you are the perfect watermelon.. green on the outside and red through the middle
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
you are the perfect watermelon.. green on the outside and red through the middle
And seedy
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
You also have children. And you think about their futures.
My sister mostly votes Liberal but she is coming to see that her vote fucks up her children’s and grandchildren’s lives.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:People are thick as shit.
shakes fist at people
I suppose we all know Ian Stewart’s beach Ice-cream salesman analogy?
I don’t.
Long beach, evenly populated with people.
Two ice-cream salesmen, who may operate anywhere along the beach.
To maximise their sales, they both gravitate towards the centre of the beach, even though that is far from the optimum result for maximising total ice-cream sales.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
you are the perfect watermelon.. green on the outside and red through the middle
And seedy
and a rind like a watermelon.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
If you were a communist, wouldn’t you vote for the communist party?
Yeah but Labor will end up with my vote after distribution of preferences
:)
The boss lady says cumin and coriander.
My daughter’s boyfriend’s whole family is coriander intolerant.
To be honest I bought this beast by mistake … I thought it was three steaks lol
dv said:
The boss lady says cumin and coriander.My daughter’s boyfriend’s whole family is coriander intolerant.
To be honest I bought this beast by mistake … I thought it was three steaks lol
so slice it into three.
Arts said:
dv said:
The boss lady says cumin and coriander.My daughter’s boyfriend’s whole family is coriander intolerant.
To be honest I bought this beast by mistake … I thought it was three steaks lol
so slice it into three.
He wants to keep his fingers.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
dv said:
The boss lady says cumin and coriander.My daughter’s boyfriend’s whole family is coriander intolerant.
To be honest I bought this beast by mistake … I thought it was three steaks lol
so slice it into three.
He wants to keep his fingers.
he could, just as a thought, slice it into many bits from the top down and stir fry them all…
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
dv said:
The boss lady says cumin and coriander.My daughter’s boyfriend’s whole family is coriander intolerant.
To be honest I bought this beast by mistake … I thought it was three steaks lol
so slice it into three.
He wants to keep his fingers.
use a sharp knife…
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:people aren’t stupid, people just don’t like changes to the tax system that either directly impact them, or limit their ability to exploit them in the future.
in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:in summary, you can be certain that people will always behave in a way that benefits their own self interest over that of the general public..
If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
dv said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
but that’s the appeal right there, aspirational, become one of the appealing
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
Depending on lockdowns…
buffy said:
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
Depending on lockdowns…
That’s What Marketing Is For
dv said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
You left out Greens.
The Big Issue ¿
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
You left out Greens.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
You left out Greens.
Yea, throw them into the mix as well.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I could probably help you out there but I think it’s best if the reasons for our continued success remain lost to you.
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
You left out Greens.
They have the better policies and can actually see a future.
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:I was thinking more along the lines of One Nation; Shooters, Fishers and pig Rooters; Katter Hats; Christians for racial purity etc.
You left out Greens.They have the better policies and can actually see a future.
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:You left out Greens.
They have the better policies and can actually see a future.
Better but totally impractical.
Even when they are successful strategies in other countries. Give you the tip…I’d prefer that the Greens pay for your dentistry than give the money to Hardly normals.
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
They have the better policies and can actually see a future.
Better but totally impractical.Even when they are successful strategies in other countries. Give you the tip…I’d prefer that the Greens pay for your dentistry than give the money to Hardly normals.
long term, short term, practical, ha
dv said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:If only. As dv pointed out, many people voted against their own best interests.
Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
people don’t like change, we’ve already gone through that.. better the daft hucksters you know, then the daft hucksters you don’t
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Quite a few people vote based on issues rather than financial considerations.
I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
people don’t like change, we’ve already gone through that.. better the daft hucksters you know, then the daft hucksters you don’t
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
Boris said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I mean I know I’m in a bubble but the Libs represent the financial interests of the few AND are all fucked up on most issues. I’ll never understand the appeal. What are people seeing? They look like daft hucksters, act like daft hucksters…
people don’t like change, we’ve already gone through that.. better the daft hucksters you know, then the daft hucksters you don’t
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
They’ve just got to keep doing what’s right and election night will be another wake for ABC journalists.
Peak Warming Man said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
They’ve just got to keep doing what’s right and election night will be another wake for ABC journalists.
and on the upside PVO would also get a call correct
Peak Warming Man said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
They’ve just got to keep doing what’s right and election night will be another wake for ABC journalists.
Will an ALP loss be Obama’s fault?
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
diddly-squat said:a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
They’ve just got to keep doing what’s right and election night will be another wake for ABC journalists.
and on the upside PVO would also get a call correct
PVO is hard to follow, he’s an enigma wrapped in something something…………
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
And did we notice how Dan A. released the regionals from lockdown early and unexpectedly. Shrewd move. Regionals don’t generally vote Labor in Victoria. This will be remembered.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean I’m doing well income wise but all things considered I would think even I am better off voting Labor in the fullness of time.I mean I’d probably keep voting Labor even if I had an eight digit income because I’m a Communist but that’s not the point.
you are the perfect watermelon.. green on the outside and red through the middle
Ha! Funny.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I suppose we all know Ian Stewart’s beach Ice-cream salesman analogy?
I don’t.
Long beach, evenly populated with people.
Two ice-cream salesmen, who may operate anywhere along the beach.
To maximise their sales, they both gravitate towards the centre of the beach, even though that is far from the optimum result for maximising total ice-cream sales.
Must be a Pommy thing. Under our system to obtain the paddle-pop of your prererence (2PP) you have to walk or drive to the shop.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:I don’t.
Long beach, evenly populated with people.
Two ice-cream salesmen, who may operate anywhere along the beach.
To maximise their sales, they both gravitate towards the centre of the beach, even though that is far from the optimum result for maximising total ice-cream sales.
Must be a Pommy thing. Under our system to obtain the paddle-pop of your prererence (2PP) you have to walk or drive to the shop.
Well Ian Stewart is indeed a Pommy mathematician.
So it’s probably a Spanish thing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Long beach, evenly populated with people.
Two ice-cream salesmen, who may operate anywhere along the beach.
To maximise their sales, they both gravitate towards the centre of the beach, even though that is far from the optimum result for maximising total ice-cream sales.
Must be a Pommy thing. Under our system to obtain the paddle-pop of your prererence (2PP) you have to walk or drive to the shop.
Well Ian Stewart is indeed a Pommy mathematician.
So it’s probably a Spanish thing.
.. cause that’s where the Pomms go to find a beach. I see.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
5% lead but the election could be 9 months away
a lot can, and will, happen before May next year.. that not withstanding I I were King of the Labs .. I’d not stop banging on about debt and deficit, tax cuts to the rich, pork barrelling on an industrial scale, $1 billion in compensation paid to robo-debt affected persons, the poor record of the LibNats treatment of woman, and the use of deliberate political censorship through avoiding answering questions and redaction of even simple foi requests.. from now until forever
but hey, I’m not King of the Labs
Strange as it sounds, if I were King of the LibNats I’m not even really sure what the the pitch would be..
And did we notice how Dan A. released the regionals from lockdown early and unexpectedly. Shrewd move. Regionals don’t generally vote Labor in Victoria. This will be remembered.
unexpectedly so like in a bad way
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:Must be a Pommy thing. Under our system to obtain the paddle-pop of your prererence (2PP) you have to walk or drive to the shop.
Well Ian Stewart is indeed a Pommy mathematician.
So it’s probably a Spanish thing.
.. cause that’s where the Pomms go to find a beach. I see.
cornwall has some nice beaches and the water is actually warm enough to have a swim.
Boris said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well Ian Stewart is indeed a Pommy mathematician.
So it’s probably a Spanish thing.
.. cause that’s where the Pomms go to find a beach. I see.
cornwall has some nice beaches and the water is actually warm enough to have a swim.
and down the english riviera..
I am not a political wizard by any means. I get overwhelmed alot of the times by political bullshit from all sides of politics. Whenever I do one of those shitty online things that tells me where I am on a political spectrum I usually get I’m a green these days.
I’ve never voted green in my life and the one time I did vote differently from my norm I voted for an independent because all the rest at the time were absolutely shitty choices.
I usually put it down to that maybe political parties in australia have changed so much since I started voting that everything that I thought the political parties of my youth stood for has also changed.
I get it… I do…. you cant stand still while the world around you is changing.
The best I can do is say still prefere one side of politics over the other if push comes to shove but honestly I don’t feel comfortable with any “side” of politics anymore.
So maybe I am a green voter these days….. I dunno anymore. Either way I still think alot of their shit is batshit crazy
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
I am not a political wizard by any means. I get overwhelmed alot of the times by political bullshit from all sides of politics. Whenever I do one of those shitty online things that tells me where I am on a political spectrum I usually get I’m a green these days.I’ve never voted green in my life and the one time I did vote differently from my norm I voted for an independent because all the rest at the time were absolutely shitty choices.
I usually put it down to that maybe political parties in australia have changed so much since I started voting that everything that I thought the political parties of my youth stood for has also changed.
I get it… I do…. you cant stand still while the world around you is changing.
The best I can do is say still prefere one side of politics over the other if push comes to shove but honestly I don’t feel comfortable with any “side” of politics anymore.
So maybe I am a green voter these days….. I dunno anymore. Either way I still think alot of their shit is batshit crazy
sarahs mum said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
I am not a political wizard by any means. I get overwhelmed alot of the times by political bullshit from all sides of politics. Whenever I do one of those shitty online things that tells me where I am on a political spectrum I usually get I’m a green these days.
I’ve never voted green in my life and the one time I did vote differently from my norm I voted for an independent because all the rest at the time were absolutely shitty choices.
I usually put it down to that maybe political parties in australia have changed so much since I started voting that everything that I thought the political parties of my youth stood for has also changed.
I get it… I do…. you cant stand still while the world around you is changing.
The best I can do is say still prefere one side of politics over the other if push comes to shove but honestly I don’t feel comfortable with any “side” of politics anymore.
So maybe I am a green voter these days….. I dunno anymore. Either way I still think alot of their shit is batshit crazy
like what?
evidently, that people will vote for them
sarahs mum said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
I am not a political wizard by any means. I get overwhelmed alot of the times by political bullshit from all sides of politics. Whenever I do one of those shitty online things that tells me where I am on a political spectrum I usually get I’m a green these days.I’ve never voted green in my life and the one time I did vote differently from my norm I voted for an independent because all the rest at the time were absolutely shitty choices.
I usually put it down to that maybe political parties in australia have changed so much since I started voting that everything that I thought the political parties of my youth stood for has also changed.
I get it… I do…. you cant stand still while the world around you is changing.
The best I can do is say still prefere one side of politics over the other if push comes to shove but honestly I don’t feel comfortable with any “side” of politics anymore.
So maybe I am a green voter these days….. I dunno anymore. Either way I still think alot of their shit is batshit crazy
like what?
Parts of their views on GMO’s. Some of the things to do with reducing fossil fuels ( I agree with most of their views just how they come across to me in the way to get it done). Nuclear power views.
Like I said “some” of their shit.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
I am not a political wizard by any means. I get overwhelmed alot of the times by political bullshit from all sides of politics. Whenever I do one of those shitty online things that tells me where I am on a political spectrum I usually get I’m a green these days.I’ve never voted green in my life and the one time I did vote differently from my norm I voted for an independent because all the rest at the time were absolutely shitty choices.
I usually put it down to that maybe political parties in australia have changed so much since I started voting that everything that I thought the political parties of my youth stood for has also changed.
I get it… I do…. you cant stand still while the world around you is changing.
The best I can do is say still prefere one side of politics over the other if push comes to shove but honestly I don’t feel comfortable with any “side” of politics anymore.
So maybe I am a green voter these days….. I dunno anymore. Either way I still think alot of their shit is batshit crazy
like what?Parts of their views on GMO’s. Some of the things to do with reducing fossil fuels ( I agree with most of their views just how they come across to me in the way to get it done). Nuclear power views.
Like I said “some” of their shit.
We dont have GMOs in Tassie and we have a successful agriultural stuff everywhere. Going for renewables is cool with me. I am okay with no nuclear power.
Having lived through numerous governments with green representation what I notice is how over the top Rupert Murdoch is about reporting it.
sarahs mum said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:like what?
Parts of their views on GMO’s. Some of the things to do with reducing fossil fuels ( I agree with most of their views just how they come across to me in the way to get it done). Nuclear power views.
Like I said “some” of their shit.
We dont have GMOs in Tassie and we have a successful agriultural stuff everywhere. Going for renewables is cool with me. I am okay with no nuclear power.
Having lived through numerous governments with green representation what I notice is how over the top Rupert Murdoch is about reporting it.
Excellent what you find acceptable differs ever so slightly from me and that’s fine I have no problem with that, but those are a couple of examples of things the greens want that still remain batshit crazy to me.
One of the downfalls of the Greens is that they don’t take political donations from coal/ oil/ gambling/…lots of the places that provide the libs and labs with revenue to toss about freely and thus be a burden on the country.
sarahs mum said:
One of the downfalls of the Greens is that they don’t take political donations from coal/ oil/ gambling/…lots of the places that provide the libs and labs with revenue to toss about freely and thus be a burden on the country.
na I dont think so. less chance to be compromised and so on
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
One of the downfalls of the Greens is that they don’t take political donations from coal/ oil/ gambling/…lots of the places that provide the libs and labs with revenue to toss about freely and thus be a burden on the country.na I dont think so. less chance to be compromised and so on
Oh yes. That’s wonderful. But they don’t have the money for blanketting the airwaves. And it isn’t like Clive palmer will help them out.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/10/2021/1628574764/race-against-time
Responding to that report, Morrison hinted to reporters that his government might have more to say on Australia’s 2030 emissions reduction target before Cop26 in Glasgow.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/10/scott-morrison-walks-back-end-the-weekend-rhetoric-on-electrical-vehicles
sarahs mum said:
Responding to that report, Morrison hinted to reporters that his government might have more to say on Australia’s 2030 emissions reduction target before Cop26 in Glasgow.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/10/scott-morrison-walks-back-end-the-weekend-rhetoric-on-electrical-vehicles
Morrison has had plenty to say on the target. Sort of like reading from the phone book, for all the effect and relevance any of it has had.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Responding to that report, Morrison hinted to reporters that his government might have more to say on Australia’s 2030 emissions reduction target before Cop26 in Glasgow.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/10/scott-morrison-walks-back-end-the-weekend-rhetoric-on-electrical-vehicles
Morrison has had plenty to say on the target. Sort of like reading from the phone book, for all the effect and relevance any of it has had.
He blaming China and even the Nationals.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Responding to that report, Morrison hinted to reporters that his government might have more to say on Australia’s 2030 emissions reduction target before Cop26 in Glasgow.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/10/scott-morrison-walks-back-end-the-weekend-rhetoric-on-electrical-vehicles
Morrison has had plenty to say on the target. Sort of like reading from the phone book, for all the effect and relevance any of it has had.
He blaming China and even the Nationals.
Well, it has to be the fault of someone else…
Although i concur somewhat on the China thing.
Oh, yes, i know, per head of population, Australia is a far greater sinner than China, heard that many times, and yes, we can do a lot better.
If you want to continue with the ‘per head’ justification, we can divvy China’s output up among the entire world population, and say that, look, their CO2 emissions affect each person only by a tiny amount, so all is fine, carry on as you were, China.
In terms of total tonnage per annum, and the effect on the world as a whole, then until China shows any real inclination to do anything useful, we’re pushing shit up hill.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Morrison has had plenty to say on the target. Sort of like reading from the phone book, for all the effect and relevance any of it has had.
He blaming China and even the Nationals.
Well, it has to be the fault of someone else…
Although i concur somewhat on the China thing.
Oh, yes, i know, per head of population, Australia is a far greater sinner than China, heard that many times, and yes, we can do a lot better.
If you want to continue with the ‘per head’ justification, we can divvy China’s output up among the entire world population, and say that, look, their CO2 emissions affect each person only by a tiny amount, so all is fine, carry on as you were, China.
In terms of total tonnage per annum, and the effect on the world as a whole, then until China shows any real inclination to do anything useful, we’re pushing shit up hill.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Morrison has had plenty to say on the target. Sort of like reading from the phone book, for all the effect and relevance any of it has had.
He blaming China and even the Nationals.
Well, it has to be the fault of someone else…
Although i concur somewhat on the China thing.
Oh, yes, i know, per head of population, Australia is a far greater sinner than China, heard that many times, and yes, we can do a lot better.
If you want to continue with the ‘per head’ justification, we can divvy China’s output up among the entire world population, and say that, look, their CO2 emissions affect each person only by a tiny amount, so all is fine, carry on as you were, China.
In terms of total tonnage per annum, and the effect on the world as a whole, then until China shows any real inclination to do anything useful, we’re pushing shit up hill.
I must admit, I have totally missed all these people saying “carry on as you were China”.
Apart from which, I’m pretty sure that sum Scummo’s zone of authority is limited to Australia.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He blaming China and even the Nationals.
Well, it has to be the fault of someone else…
Although i concur somewhat on the China thing.
Oh, yes, i know, per head of population, Australia is a far greater sinner than China, heard that many times, and yes, we can do a lot better.
If you want to continue with the ‘per head’ justification, we can divvy China’s output up among the entire world population, and say that, look, their CO2 emissions affect each person only by a tiny amount, so all is fine, carry on as you were, China.
In terms of total tonnage per annum, and the effect on the world as a whole, then until China shows any real inclination to do anything useful, we’re pushing shit up hill.
I must admit, I have totally missed all these people saying “carry on as you were China”.
Apart from which, I’m pretty sure that sum Scummo’s zone of authority is limited to Australia.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He blaming China and even the Nationals.
Well, it has to be the fault of someone else…
Although i concur somewhat on the China thing.
Oh, yes, i know, per head of population, Australia is a far greater sinner than China, heard that many times, and yes, we can do a lot better.
If you want to continue with the ‘per head’ justification, we can divvy China’s output up among the entire world population, and say that, look, their CO2 emissions affect each person only by a tiny amount, so all is fine, carry on as you were, China.
In terms of total tonnage per annum, and the effect on the world as a whole, then until China shows any real inclination to do anything useful, we’re pushing shit up hill.
I do comprehend. Though that should not be Scomo’s reason for not moving.
Completely agree.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I must admit, I have totally missed all these people saying “carry on as you were China”.
Apart from which, I’m pretty sure that sum Scummo’s zone of authority is limited to Australia.
The qualifying word in that example was the first word: ‘if’.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I must admit, I have totally missed all these people saying “carry on as you were China”.
Apart from which, I’m pretty sure that sum Scummo’s zone of authority is limited to Australia.
The qualifying word in that example was the first word: ‘if’.
It is a big word.
Anyway, Little to be proud of said that while the party openly disagrees with George Christensen on his comments but we won’t be kicking him out because of his valuable contribution to the party and that we won’t diminish the value of free speech.
The only value to the party he contributes is the one seat he holds.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Well, it has to be the fault of someone else…
Although i concur somewhat on the China thing.
Oh, yes, i know, per head of population, Australia is a far greater sinner than China, heard that many times, and yes, we can do a lot better.
If you want to continue with the ‘per head’ justification, we can divvy China’s output up among the entire world population, and say that, look, their CO2 emissions affect each person only by a tiny amount, so all is fine, carry on as you were, China.
In terms of total tonnage per annum, and the effect on the world as a whole, then until China shows any real inclination to do anything useful, we’re pushing shit up hill.
I must admit, I have totally missed all these people saying “carry on as you were China”.
Apart from which, I’m pretty sure that sum Scummo’s zone of authority is limited to Australia.
No. He can make the decision and stop buying shit from China. We don’t need any of it anyway.
LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Boris said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I must admit, I have totally missed all these people saying “carry on as you were China”.
Apart from which, I’m pretty sure that sum Scummo’s zone of authority is limited to Australia.
No. He can make the decision and stop buying shit from China. We don’t need any of it anyway.LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
roughbarked said:No. He can make the decision and stop buying shit from China. We don’t need any of it anyway.
LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.
which coal do we stop, thermal or metallurgical? Plus coal isn’t our only export, wheat, barley etc. Plus all the smaller exporters.
Boris said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.which coal do we stop, thermal or metallurgical? Plus coal isn’t our only export, wheat, barley etc. Plus all the smaller exporters.
You already know all the answers to these questions.
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
roughbarked said:Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.which coal do we stop, thermal or metallurgical? Plus coal isn’t our only export, wheat, barley etc. Plus all the smaller exporters.
You already know all the answers to these questions.
answer the question
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
roughbarked said:No. He can make the decision and stop buying shit from China. We don’t need any of it anyway.
LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.
that’s not actually correct.. China has put a moratorium on coal sales from Australia…
Boris said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:which coal do we stop, thermal or metallurgical? Plus coal isn’t our only export, wheat, barley etc. Plus all the smaller exporters.
You already know all the answers to these questions.
answer the question
You don’t need me to.
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
roughbarked said:You already know all the answers to these questions.
answer the question
You don’t need me to.
yeah, because you know you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.that’s not actually correct.. China has put a moratorium on coal sales from Australia…
Boris said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:answer the question
You don’t need me to.
yeah, because you know you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
roughbarked said:You don’t need me to.
yeah, because you know you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
No.
You just want to be the forum bully. Start talking like a member of the earth’s family and I’ll start really opening up.
LOL, so asking people to answer questions is being a bully?
You’re a joke, a lying joke.
roughbarked said:
Boris said:
roughbarked said:No. He can make the decision and stop buying shit from China. We don’t need any of it anyway.
LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.
Well I’m sure India, Indonesia etc would be very happy if Australia banned the import of all Chinese products.
It would do nothing to reduce GHG emissions though.
What would make a difference would be putting a price on the GHG emissions associated with all products, including imports from wherever they came, as they are doing in Europe.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.that’s not actually correct.. China has put a moratorium on coal sales from Australia…
Recently? They were doing that with barley and wine etc.
They were still buying coal though.
Virtually all coal sales contracts into China have gone into force majeure and now this material has been largely rediverted into India, Japan and Korea.
Chinese companies are, by-and-large, fulling their requirements through purchasing met coal products out of the US
Boris said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:yeah, because you know you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
No.
You just want to be the forum bully. Start talking like a member of the earth’s family and I’ll start really opening up.LOL, so asking people to answer questions is being a bully?
You’re a joke, a lying joke.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Boris said:LOL, we buy their stuff cos we want them to buy our stuff.
Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.Well I’m sure India, Indonesia etc would be very happy if Australia banned the import of all Chinese products.
It would do nothing to reduce GHG emissions though.
What would make a difference would be putting a price on the GHG emissions associated with all products, including imports from wherever they came, as they are doing in Europe.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:that’s not actually correct.. China has put a moratorium on coal sales from Australia…
Recently? They were doing that with barley and wine etc.
They were still buying coal though.Virtually all coal sales contracts into China have gone into force majeure and now this material has been largely rediverted into India, Japan and Korea.
Chinese companies are, by-and-large, fulling their requirements through purchasing met coal products out of the US
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Other people also want to buy our stuff and we are too reliant on digging holes in the ground. China still wants our coal. This has to stop.
and seriously soon.Well I’m sure India, Indonesia etc would be very happy if Australia banned the import of all Chinese products.
It would do nothing to reduce GHG emissions though.
What would make a difference would be putting a price on the GHG emissions associated with all products, including imports from wherever they came, as they are doing in Europe.
A decision, which isn’t being made.
?
Everybody knows that don’t they?
The question is, why suggest something totally impractical, that isn’t going to happen and wouldn’t help anyway, rather than something easily implemented, that will happen sooner or later, and would make a big difference?
Spawn of Satan: Otto Abetz, great-uncle of Eric.
Heinrich Otto Abetz (26 March 1903 – 5 May 1958) was the German ambassador to Vichy France during the Second World War and a convicted war criminal. In July 1949 he was sentenced to twenty years’ hard labour by a Paris military tribunal, he was released in April 1954 and died in a car accident four years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Abetz
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well I’m sure India, Indonesia etc would be very happy if Australia banned the import of all Chinese products.
It would do nothing to reduce GHG emissions though.
What would make a difference would be putting a price on the GHG emissions associated with all products, including imports from wherever they came, as they are doing in Europe.
A decision, which isn’t being made.?
Everybody knows that don’t they?
The question is, why suggest something totally impractical, that isn’t going to happen and wouldn’t help anyway, rather than something easily implemented, that will happen sooner or later, and would make a big difference?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:A decision, which isn’t being made.
?
Everybody knows that don’t they?
The question is, why suggest something totally impractical, that isn’t going to happen and wouldn’t help anyway, rather than something easily implemented, that will happen sooner or later, and would make a big difference?
Now you speak of impracticality.
Are you trying to make some sort of point there?
what if we all share instead of buying stuff
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:?
Everybody knows that don’t they?
The question is, why suggest something totally impractical, that isn’t going to happen and wouldn’t help anyway, rather than something easily implemented, that will happen sooner or later, and would make a big difference?
Now you speak of impracticality.Are you trying to make some sort of point there?
SCIENCE said:
what if we all share instead of buying stuff
How do you put a price on GHG emissions if you do that?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Now you speak of impracticality.
Are you trying to make some sort of point there?
It was impractical to keep burning coal a hundred years ago.
OK, it seems it will be impractical to continue this discussion.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
what if we all share instead of buying stuff
How do you put a price on GHG emissions if you do that?
money money money that’s all you Tories ever think about
just share it as well
“The ABC investigative journalist Louise Milligan has agreed to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 plus legal costs for a series of tweets in which she suggested the federal Liberal MP had taken a photo of a woman “under her skirt”.
After a defamation claim was lodged against Milligan in June, on Wednesday the federal court heard the parties had agreed to a settlement which would add the payout to the long list of apologies already received by the MP from a slew of high-profile politicians and media figures.”
Peak Warming Man said:
“The ABC investigative journalist Louise Milligan has agreed to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 plus legal costs for a series of tweets in which she suggested the federal Liberal MP had taken a photo of a woman “under her skirt”.
After a defamation claim was lodged against Milligan in June, on Wednesday the federal court heard the parties had agreed to a settlement which would add the payout to the long list of apologies already received by the MP from a slew of high-profile politicians and media figures.”
what a relief… I was so worried he was being unfairly treated… must be hard to be complete fuck-tard these days and get away with it…
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The ABC investigative journalist Louise Milligan has agreed to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 plus legal costs for a series of tweets in which she suggested the federal Liberal MP had taken a photo of a woman “under her skirt”.
After a defamation claim was lodged against Milligan in June, on Wednesday the federal court heard the parties had agreed to a settlement which would add the payout to the long list of apologies already received by the MP from a slew of high-profile politicians and media figures.”
what a relief… I was so worried he was being unfairly treated… must be hard to be complete fuck-tard these days and get away with it…
PWM will be wanking over that news for weeks, if not months.
Boris said:
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“The ABC investigative journalist Louise Milligan has agreed to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 plus legal costs for a series of tweets in which she suggested the federal Liberal MP had taken a photo of a woman “under her skirt”.
After a defamation claim was lodged against Milligan in June, on Wednesday the federal court heard the parties had agreed to a settlement which would add the payout to the long list of apologies already received by the MP from a slew of high-profile politicians and media figures.”
what a relief… I was so worried he was being unfairly treated… must be hard to be complete fuck-tard these days and get away with it…
PWM will be wanking over that news for weeks, if not months.
Wait until they release the photo…
Dark Orange said:
Boris said:
diddly-squat said:what a relief… I was so worried he was being unfairly treated… must be hard to be complete fuck-tard these days and get away with it…
PWM will be wanking over that news for weeks, if not months.
Wait until they release the photo…
personally some of what I saw regard the person bordered hysteria, gave me a very dry vagina
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/prime-minister-scott-morrison-a-cranky-man-in-need-of-a-plan-20210811-p58hpr.html
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/prime-minister-scott-morrison-a-cranky-man-in-need-of-a-plan-20210811-p58hpr.html
dreaming
what was the plan they won 2 years ago on
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/prime-minister-scott-morrison-a-cranky-man-in-need-of-a-plan-20210811-p58hpr.html
dreaming
what was the plan they won 2 years ago on
Blame Labor.
Blame unions.
Blame the unemployed.
Blame pensioners.
Support mining companies.
Support banks.
Support conservative ‘media commentators’.
That may not have been the plan they promoted in public, but it was the plan.
https://theconversation.com/australia-was-a-model-for-protecting-people-from-covid-19-and-then-we-dumped-half-a-million-people-back-into-poverty-165813
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/prime-minister-scott-morrison-a-cranky-man-in-need-of-a-plan-20210811-p58hpr.html
dreaming
what was the plan they won 2 years ago on
Blame Labor.
Blame unions.
Blame the unemployed.
Blame pensioners.
Support mining companies.
Support banks.
Support conservative ‘media commentators’.
That may not have been the plan they promoted in public, but it was the plan.
The plan was to have Clive Palmer spend 60 million to run a campaign that cast him as an outsider with the slogan We’re not gonna take it, while simultaneously funnelling preferences to the party in government.
I’d like to think that trick is not going to work twice.
dv said:
I’d like to think that trick is not going to work twice.
Robert Menzies advised Harold Holt that ‘you can never under-estimate the intelligence of the Australia voter’.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/prime-minister-scott-morrison-a-cranky-man-in-need-of-a-plan-20210811-p58hpr.html
read some of that, probably a hint in their use of consensus, or perhaps it was quoted can’t remember now, I lost interest, their boat was listing so badly and I slid off the deck
anyway consensus politics and representative democracy can be quite different things
and of course the PM is stressed, but there’s no shortage of wedging going on to amplifier whatever
In this Government, not a single Minister has been held accountable for anything at all. Not one. For anything. A few may have retired hurt to the backbench for a while but they always return revived and rejuvenated. Some of the things for which Ministers should be held accountable (but weren’t) and for which one might expect to see lasting consequences (but haven’t): Brother Stewie ripping us off for internet connections, listing his parents as company directors for an organisation unknown to them, and masquerading as an official Government representative on a private business trip to China. Michaelia Cash refusing to talk to the police when they investigated her office over leaks to the media and then lying about it. Sussan Ley using taxpayer dollars to get her flying hours up to keep her pilot’s license and buying herself an apartment in the Gold Coast along the way. Bridget McKenzie, Senator Sports Rorts herself, now apparently in charge of a Bush Fire Relief Fund busily dispensing money to areas unaffected by the bushfires. Angus Taylor, where to start? A man whose list of scandals is so great, I had to add this extra clause to capture the last and actually least egregious, the monumental self-own that was his skirmish with Clover Moore. Christian Porter, an accused rapist, who moved on Witness K and Bernard Collaery, a whistleblower hero and the lawyer approved by the Inspector-General of Intelligence, fought to try them in secret, and then destroyed the Family Court. Porter’s wing-man, Alan Tudge sleeping with a staff member while promoting himself as a family man and, pre-election, flinging $666,000,000 of taxpayers’ money around in marginal seats for ill-conceived carparks. Barnaby fucking Joyce. This mob shovel money to their mates – really, lots of it, and even more this year with the truckloads of COVID-dollars delivered directly to the bottom line of greedy chancer companies via the poorly designed JobKeeper scheme Josh Frydenberg stubbornly refuses to reexamine – while maliciously, callously denying it to their perceived enemies, like the arts and universities, the ABC and CSIRO – you know, the good stuff. They watch the world burn and venerate fossil fuels and pretend all is cool, defiant in the face of the world’s dismay. They undermine the significant reform of the NDIS, hollowing it out instead of solving its teething troubles. They’re already watering down the few recommendations they implemented from the Banking Royal Commission. When the mother of a veteran who died by suicide Julie-Ann Finney asked them to take the issue of veteran suicide seriously, they offered her a Mother’s Medal. They actively persecute the most vulnerable, allowing their wages to be stolen, humiliating them with the Indue card (which has the added bonus of delivering more money to their mates), abandoning them to poverty on JobSeeker, occasionally hounding them to the grave with their relentless and unlawful Robodebt pursuit. And all the while they deliver their drab punitive homilies in self-righteous, censorious, smug-as-hell tones. Honestly. This mob.
from..
https://theshot.net.au/opinion-news/shamelessness-is-the-only-currency-this-government-knows/
https://www.facebook.com/AlboMP
video, On leadership.
and for the muppets who might not have heard of him he is the opposition leader.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.facebook.com/AlboMP
video, On leadership.
and for the muppets who might not have heard of him he is the opposition leader.
so what does he know
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:https://www.facebook.com/AlboMP
video, On leadership.
and for the muppets who might not have heard of him he is the opposition leader.
so what does he know
well, not being in his brain I find that question impossible to answer.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.facebook.com/AlboMPvideo, On leadership.
and for the muppets who might not have heard of him he is the opposition leader.
watched that
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.facebook.com/AlboMPvideo, On leadership.
and for the muppets who might not have heard of him he is the opposition leader.
watched that
I like him more than Scotty. By lengths. I’m still not impressed much. I want so much more.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.facebook.com/AlboMPvideo, On leadership.
and for the muppets who might not have heard of him he is the opposition leader.
Doesn’t look familiar.
sarahs mum said:
right but there’s a fundamental flaw in your implications there
obviously the best way to tell what a professional liar politician is going to do, is not to examine the history of their actions, but to go by what they say
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
right but there’s a fundamental flaw in your implications there
obviously the best way to tell what a
professional liarpolitician is going to do, is not to examine the history of their actions, but to go by what they say
When he was in the Senate it was his job to say one thing and now his job is to say another thing. He’s just doing his job.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-12/india-australia-free-trade-talks-to-resume-abbott-tehan/100373390
OK, so Rudd’s got China and Abbott’s got India.
Glad that’s sorted.
sibeen said:
OK, so Rudd’s got China and Abbott’s got India.
Glad that’s sorted.
Better Vote Corruption Then
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.
Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.
>Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused, and has tendered her resignation.
Goodo.
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.
>Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused, and has tendered her resignation.
Goodo.
Nuffin’ said here..yet. https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswa
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.
>Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused, and has tendered her resignation.
Goodo.
Nuffin’ said here..yet. https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswa
I was being sarcastic.
https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
roughbarked said:
https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
Inland Rail has rented a large and refurbished commercial/industrial property here in Toowoomba for well over a year now, must be nearly two years. Has big ‘Inland Rail’ signs on it. I walk past it frequently.
As far as i’ve been able to see, absolutely nothing occurs there. No activity at all.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:>Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused, and has tendered her resignation.
Goodo.
Nuffin’ said here..yet. https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswa
I was being sarcastic.
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
Inland Rail has rented a large and refurbished commercial/industrial property here in Toowoomba for well over a year now, must be nearly two years. Has big ‘Inland Rail’ signs on it. I walk past it frequently.
As far as i’ve been able to see, absolutely nothing occurs there. No activity at all.
roughbarked said:
https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
works better.
Spiny Norman said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
Yeah. :(
It’s like how Spocky’s mother has to take her brother, who has Down Syndrome, to the doctor once a year to confirm that it hasn’t somehow cleared up.
No, I’m not joking.
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
Inland Rail has rented a large and refurbished commercial/industrial property here in Toowoomba for well over a year now, must be nearly two years. Has big ‘Inland Rail’ signs on it. I walk past it frequently.
As far as i’ve been able to see, absolutely nothing occurs there. No activity at all.
They blew their annual budget on the sign.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
https://twitter.com/lindareynoldswahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-13/senate-report-blasts-mismanagement-of-inland-rail-project/100373304
works better.
seems so. ;)
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:Inland Rail has rented a large and refurbished commercial/industrial property here in Toowoomba for well over a year now, must be nearly two years. Has big ‘Inland Rail’ signs on it. I walk past it frequently.
As far as i’ve been able to see, absolutely nothing occurs there. No activity at all.
They blew their annual budget on the sign.
and on hi-viz gear for politicians.
stand out from the background…
Spiny Norman said:
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.Yeah. :(
It’s like how Spocky’s mother has to take her brother, who has Down Syndrome, to the doctor once a year to confirm that it hasn’t somehow cleared up.
No, I’m not joking.
Bogsnorkler said:
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Tamb said:Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
Yeah. :(
It’s like how Spocky’s mother has to take her brother, who has Down Syndrome, to the doctor once a year to confirm that it hasn’t somehow cleared up.
No, I’m not joking.
Mum refused to vote in 1998 because she was too busy dying and it was not going to matter anymore. They wanted me to pay the fine. Told then to go fuck themselves.
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Tamb said:Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
Glitch
Short-lived fault in a computer system
roughbarked said:
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
Glitch
Short-lived fault in a computer system
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
Presumably they have been directed to provide evidence that Robodebt was no worse than standard Centrelink procedures.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
Glitch
Short-lived fault in a computer system
of course, the V1s weren’t very reliable or accurate, the V2s were an improvement
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:FFS …. No wonder the country is steadily heading downhill.
Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.Presumably they have been directed to provide evidence that Robodebt was no worse than standard Centrelink procedures.
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Tamb said:Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
Still, I’m not convinced that this sort rubbish is more prevalent now than back in the good old days, whenever they were.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:Centrelink kept sending letters to my Mum demanding her presence. I provided official proof of her death on several occasions but still the letters kept arriving. Eventually I took to writing “She’s still dead” across the letter.
Presumably they have been directed to provide evidence that Robodebt was no worse than standard Centrelink procedures.
Immediately after I notified them of her death her pension payments stopped so their system, somewhere, knew she was dead. The old government left hand, right hand syndrome.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:scatter her ashes in the c’link office.
possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
Still, I’m not convinced that this sort rubbish is more prevalent now than back in the good old days, whenever they were.
more consider if you were convinced it had improved, but hadn’t
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:possibly the machine flagged the payments, the existence of a person that age, as incredulous, from the programming
it’s the joy of our age, the times, that shades of harassment pass for morality, or conscience
Still, I’m not convinced that this sort rubbish is more prevalent now than back in the good old days, whenever they were.
more consider if you were convinced it had improved, but hadn’t
Why do you want me to consider that?
Bogsnorkler said:
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
…
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
They should have organised the ambulance, and notified the media of her visit.
As for the second statement, that didn’t stop them demanding that a mate in hospital come in and present proof of ID for his sickness benefits. The fact he was in a coma made no difference.
Dark Orange said:
Bogsnorkler said:Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
…
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
They should have organised the ambulance, and notified the media of her visit.
As for the second statement, that didn’t stop them demanding that a mate in hospital come in and present proof of ID for his sickness benefits. The fact he was in a coma made no difference.
Sounds like Ms Reynolds needs some training in how Centrelink standard procedures work in practice.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Still, I’m not convinced that this sort rubbish is more prevalent now than back in the good old days, whenever they were.
more consider if you were convinced it had improved, but hadn’t
Why do you want me to consider that?
I don’t have much of want that way, more I was talking to myself, flipped your proposition to something possibly more resembling reality, perhaps, it’s the joy of the aether of ideas, the thoughts dissipate, they’re entirely transparent, you can walk right through them
gravity moment-to-moment stays the same, up is up, down is down, the sun comes up and goes down
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:more consider if you were convinced it had improved, but hadn’t
Why do you want me to consider that?
I don’t have much of want that way, more I was talking to myself, flipped your proposition to something possibly more resembling reality, perhaps, it’s the joy of the aether of ideas, the thoughts dissipate, they’re entirely transparent, you can walk right through them
gravity moment-to-moment stays the same, up is up, down is down, the sun comes up and goes down
That’s alright then :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why do you want me to consider that?
I don’t have much of want that way, more I was talking to myself, flipped your proposition to something possibly more resembling reality, perhaps, it’s the joy of the aether of ideas, the thoughts dissipate, they’re entirely transparent, you can walk right through them
gravity moment-to-moment stays the same, up is up, down is down, the sun comes up and goes down
That’s alright then :)
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:I don’t have much of want that way, more I was talking to myself, flipped your proposition to something possibly more resembling reality, perhaps, it’s the joy of the aether of ideas, the thoughts dissipate, they’re entirely transparent, you can walk right through them
gravity moment-to-moment stays the same, up is up, down is down, the sun comes up and goes down
That’s alright then :)
The sun doesn’t actually come up & go down.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:I don’t have much of want that way, more I was talking to myself, flipped your proposition to something possibly more resembling reality, perhaps, it’s the joy of the aether of ideas, the thoughts dissipate, they’re entirely transparent, you can walk right through them
gravity moment-to-moment stays the same, up is up, down is down, the sun comes up and goes down
That’s alright then :)
The sun doesn’t actually come up & go down.
in some frames of reference
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:I don’t have much of want that way, more I was talking to myself, flipped your proposition to something possibly more resembling reality, perhaps, it’s the joy of the aether of ideas, the thoughts dissipate, they’re entirely transparent, you can walk right through them
gravity moment-to-moment stays the same, up is up, down is down, the sun comes up and goes down
That’s alright then :)
The sun doesn’t actually come up & go down.
you noticed that did you, don’t hold that in mind too long it’s a dizzying reality, the spinning earth
but the reality is, for practical life, you’re a member of the still earth society, that’s the common experience
Dark Orange said:
As for the second statement, that didn’t stop them demanding that a mate in hospital come in and present proof of ID for his sickness benefits. The fact he was in a coma made no difference.
I can well imagine how this story was received by Centrelink staff everywhere:
‘yeah, that’d be effing right’.
No group of people is more aware of the faults, quirks, and failings of the ‘Human Services’ systems than Centrelink staff.
But, their opportunities to avoid or correct those system defects is pretty much nil.
Decisions are made ‘upstairs’ and ‘upstairs’ never makes mistakes.
Says ‘upstairs’.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:As for the second statement, that didn’t stop them demanding that a mate in hospital come in and present proof of ID for his sickness benefits. The fact he was in a coma made no difference.
I can well imagine how this story was received by Centrelink staff everywhere:
‘yeah, that’d be effing right’.
No group of people is more aware of the faults, quirks, and failings of the ‘Human Services’ systems than Centrelink staff.
But, their opportunities to avoid or correct those system defects is pretty much nil.
Decisions are made ‘upstairs’ and ‘upstairs’ never makes mistakes.
Says ‘upstairs’.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:As for the second statement, that didn’t stop them demanding that a mate in hospital come in and present proof of ID for his sickness benefits. The fact he was in a coma made no difference.
I can well imagine how this story was received by Centrelink staff everywhere:
‘yeah, that’d be effing right’.
No group of people is more aware of the faults, quirks, and failings of the ‘Human Services’ systems than Centrelink staff.
But, their opportunities to avoid or correct those system defects is pretty much nil.
Decisions are made ‘upstairs’ and ‘upstairs’ never makes mistakes.
Says ‘upstairs’.
Bad news never gets upstairs?
It does, sometimes quite early on, but it’s not acknowledged as being such.
Eventually, perhaps, ‘upstairs’ will produce some remedy to the bad news, but only after a decent interval, with no reference to the ‘bad news’ notification, or admission of fault.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:I can well imagine how this story was received by Centrelink staff everywhere:
‘yeah, that’d be effing right’.
No group of people is more aware of the faults, quirks, and failings of the ‘Human Services’ systems than Centrelink staff.
But, their opportunities to avoid or correct those system defects is pretty much nil.
Decisions are made ‘upstairs’ and ‘upstairs’ never makes mistakes.
Says ‘upstairs’.
Bad news never gets upstairs?It does, sometimes quite early on, but it’s not acknowledged as being such.
Eventually, perhaps, ‘upstairs’ will produce some remedy to the bad news, but only after a decent interval, with no reference to the ‘bad news’ notification, or admission of fault.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:I can well imagine how this story was received by Centrelink staff everywhere:
‘yeah, that’d be effing right’.
No group of people is more aware of the faults, quirks, and failings of the ‘Human Services’ systems than Centrelink staff.
But, their opportunities to avoid or correct those system defects is pretty much nil.
Decisions are made ‘upstairs’ and ‘upstairs’ never makes mistakes.
Says ‘upstairs’.
Bad news never gets upstairs?It does, sometimes quite early on, but it’s not acknowledged as being such.
Eventually, perhaps, ‘upstairs’ will produce some remedy to the bad news, but only after a decent interval, with no reference to the ‘bad news’ notification, or admission of fault.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:As for the second statement, that didn’t stop them demanding that a mate in hospital come in and present proof of ID for his sickness benefits. The fact he was in a coma made no difference.
I can well imagine how this story was received by Centrelink staff everywhere:
‘yeah, that’d be effing right’.
No group of people is more aware of the faults, quirks, and failings of the ‘Human Services’ systems than Centrelink staff.
But, their opportunities to avoid or correct those system defects is pretty much nil.
Decisions are made ‘upstairs’ and ‘upstairs’ never makes mistakes.
Says ‘upstairs’.
I was in hospital a few years ago with an infection in my leg that was so severe that they were seriously considering amputating the leg when Centrelink demanded my presence. They refused to countenance any other option, so I left the hospital, with IV still attached and accompanied by someone impersonating a nurse, went to the nearest c/l office, told the front desk why I was there and that I’d just left hospital to be there, and was told “Someone will be with you soon.” I lay on the floor and put my feet on the chair they told me to sit on. After about five minutes someone came up to me and asked me what I thought I was doing. After I told them what had happened and why I was there, they went away for a while, then came back and told me I didn’t really need to attend in person, that they’d updated my record, and I could go.
I sent them an itemised bill for the costs of attending, but they ignored it.
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
I wonder why the Certificate of Citizenship is not enough
dv said:
I wonder why the Certificate of Citizenship is not enough
Bloody foreigners. Can’t trust ‘em.
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
I wonder why the Certificate of Citizenship is not enough
Does it have a D.O.B> on it? Or maybe they have Birth Certificate or Passport on their list of documents and she doesn’t have either one. Would have thought it would be possible to get a reprint of a birth cert fairly easily though, they should have had an adequate record system back in the 1920s or teens.
…. unless she was born overseas in some busted arse country.
well they’re a bit privileged aren’t they, if they don’t like it then they can just leave, go back where they came from, they don’t know how good they have it, they wouldn’t have to do any less if they were back where they were
party_pants said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Centrelink has come under fire for threatening to withdraw the welfare payments of a 102-year-old woman who was unable to provide proof-of-identity.Anne Hawkins, who is bed bound, was last month suddenly ordered to provide proof of her identity to the government agency.
In a letter to the Punchbowl resident, Centrelink said the documents had to be provided in person.
Due to Ms Hawkins’ age, she was unable to provide proof of identity beyond her Australian Citizenship certificate. When her family raised this with Centrelink, they were advised to obtain a NSW proof of age card.
Mary Byrnes, Ms Hawkins’ daughter, said to do so, she would “need to be taken there by ambulance and wheeled into the Centre in a hospital bed”.
Ms Hawkins’ son Frank, told NCA Newswire he spent hours on the phone attempting to sort the mess, but to no avail.
“They couldn’t really offer any alternative or options,” he said.
“It was extremely frustrating for me and my family. We protected mum from as much of the aggravation as possible. Telling her was worst case scenario.”
Mr Hawkins said he finally made his mother aware of the situation following the intervention of local MP Tony Burke.
When told, she joke that she’d have to get a job.
But the family said the concern still remained that the government agency was prepared to force the 102-year-old to leave her household during the Sydney lockdown and risk exposure to the Delta variant.
“We’ve been locked down since the last week of June. This letter arrived on the 30th of July. It arrived during lockdown. It is pretty unreasonable that Centrelink should be asking people to show up to a service centre in the middle of a lockdown,” Frank said.
Ms Byrnes said it was still not clear what may have prompted the request from Centrelink.
Mr Burke said the government agency should immediately explain itself.
“They actually wanted her to put herself at risk by leaving the house so she could jump through ridiculous bureaucratic hoops,” he told NCA Newswire.
“The government now says they’re going to look into how this happened – and that’s good. But why are they sending any threatening letters to pensioners in lockdown zones right now? It shouldn’t be happening at all.”
Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds told NCA Newswire she “sincerely apologised” for the inconvenience caused.
“I am also looking into the precise events to determine what exactly has occurred and any need for changes to the Services Australia’s procedures and communication,” she said.
“The health and safety of customers and staff is Services Australia’s highest priority, and the agency is strictly adhering to the health orders set down by the relevant state governments.”
“They have special arrangements in place to support customers who are unable to attend a service centre to prove their identity, and advise customers of this.”
I wonder why the Certificate of Citizenship is not enough
Does it have a D.O.B> on it?
yes
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/13/we-now-have-governing-hesitancy-with-scott-morrison-focused-on-managing-the-appearance-of-his-own-logical-contradictions
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/13/we-now-have-governing-hesitancy-with-scott-morrison-focused-on-managing-the-appearance-of-his-own-logical-contradictions
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.
That fascist arsehole should never ever be near a position of power ever again.
Do the right thing, don’t get into bed with fascists.
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
sarahs mum said:
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
Why would you think that?
sarahs mum said:
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
It’s not low here in Western Victoria. I think they were percentage wise ahead of the rest of us for a while, but I can’t remember where I read it. Here is a piece about Victoria.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2021/07/13/victoria-sees-first-nations-vaccine-success-pfizer-rollout
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
Why would you think that?
The Aboriginal health centres up here are regularly offering “walk in vaccinations” for anybody because they always seem to have vaccination supplies that are due to expire.
Anecdotally, at least, that suggests the low vaccination rates are due to cultural rather than government issues.
Some communities are doing well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/warmun-vaccinates-76-per-cent-eligible-residents/100270516
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
Why would you think that?
At first I thought AZ was the decision you might make to provide coverage for the country. Benefit of the doubt. You didn’t need the cold storage you needed for the others. But it seems now they are more concerned with year 12s. The aboriginal vax rates are sad.
Now I am back to thinking they just picked the cheapest quote. And they don’t care
Oh, and I was speaking to a friend recently who told me her truckdriver husband (who I didn’t know was of Aboriginal descent) got vaccinated very early, and their children will be vaccinated if/when it extends to the under 12s. But she had to wait (this was before it was extended to the younger age groups) because she is of European descent. We thought that was probably a bit odd, as they all live together, but no system is perfect.
buffy said:
Oh, and I was speaking to a friend recently who told me her truckdriver husband (who I didn’t know was of Aboriginal descent) got vaccinated very early, and their children will be vaccinated if/when it extends to the under 12s. But she had to wait (this was before it was extended to the younger age groups) because she is of European descent. We thought that was probably a bit odd, as they all live together, but no system is perfect.
that is how I understood it was to happen. Some one posted a vax by area chart recently that suggested remote communities were well down on vacc numbers…
sarahs mum said:
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
why are you surprised?
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
I am beginning to wonder if the low Aboriginal vax rate is on purpose.
Why would you think that?
The Aboriginal health centres up here are regularly offering “walk in vaccinations” for anybody because they always seem to have vaccination supplies that are due to expire.
Anecdotally, at least, that suggests the low vaccination rates are due to cultural rather than government issues.
buffy said:
Some communities are doing well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-08/warmun-vaccinates-76-per-cent-eligible-residents/100270516
yes.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Oh, and I was speaking to a friend recently who told me her truckdriver husband (who I didn’t know was of Aboriginal descent) got vaccinated very early, and their children will be vaccinated if/when it extends to the under 12s. But she had to wait (this was before it was extended to the younger age groups) because she is of European descent. We thought that was probably a bit odd, as they all live together, but no system is perfect.that is how I understood it was to happen. Some one posted a vax by area chart recently that suggested remote communities were well down on vacc numbers…
Generally, they are. in NSW only 8% are fully vaccinated.
