I’ll use this to start the new thread.

This is actually an interesting experiment. It would appear that opening up in the Netherlands has resulted in increased people testing positive but as yet no great run on the hospitals or morgues.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/freedom-day-looms-in-england-despite-coronavirus-surge/100295326

From the ABC piece:

“While the spike in infections had not resulted in a significant increase in hospitalisations, Mr de Jonge said that could be threatened by the “unprecedented” rise in cases, and the government had no option but to reintroduce restrictions on hospitality.”

And thinking about that a bit further, they opened up on 26th June, so basically 3 weeks…it should have hit the hospitals by now. They do have a fair rate of vaccination with 2/3 of adults double dosed.

NSW in 2020: “Let’s build a wall between us and Victoria!”
Vic in 2021: “So how high do we want it?”

buffy said:

I’ll use this to start the new thread.

This is actually an interesting experiment. It would appear that opening up in the Netherlands has resulted in increased people testing positive but as yet no great run on the hospitals or morgues.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/freedom-day-looms-in-england-despite-coronavirus-surge/100295326

From the ABC piece:

“While the spike in infections had not resulted in a significant increase in hospitalisations, Mr de Jonge said that could be threatened by the “unprecedented” rise in cases, and the government had no option but to reintroduce restrictions on hospitality.”

And thinking about that a bit further, they opened up on 26th June, so basically 3 weeks…it should have hit the hospitals by now. They do have a fair rate of vaccination with 2/3 of adults double dosed.

Possibly similar to Israel who lifted most of their restrictions earlier than that.

What if testing was made mandatory at boarders if a there is a cluster outbreak?

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

I debated putting that in this thread, but decided to put it in Chat. Thanks for putting it here too. It’s a good piece.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I’ll use this to start the new thread.

This is actually an interesting experiment. It would appear that opening up in the Netherlands has resulted in increased people testing positive but as yet no great run on the hospitals or morgues.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/freedom-day-looms-in-england-despite-coronavirus-surge/100295326

From the ABC piece:

“While the spike in infections had not resulted in a significant increase in hospitalisations, Mr de Jonge said that could be threatened by the “unprecedented” rise in cases, and the government had no option but to reintroduce restrictions on hospitality.”

And thinking about that a bit further, they opened up on 26th June, so basically 3 weeks…it should have hit the hospitals by now. They do have a fair rate of vaccination with 2/3 of adults double dosed.

Possibly similar to Israel who lifted most of their restrictions earlier than that.

But they haven’t had a spike in infections. (I presume they are still testing symptomatics)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I’ll use this to start the new thread.

This is actually an interesting experiment. It would appear that opening up in the Netherlands has resulted in increased people testing positive but as yet no great run on the hospitals or morgues.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/freedom-day-looms-in-england-despite-coronavirus-surge/100295326

From the ABC piece:

“While the spike in infections had not resulted in a significant increase in hospitalisations, Mr de Jonge said that could be threatened by the “unprecedented” rise in cases, and the government had no option but to reintroduce restrictions on hospitality.”

And thinking about that a bit further, they opened up on 26th June, so basically 3 weeks…it should have hit the hospitals by now. They do have a fair rate of vaccination with 2/3 of adults double dosed.

Possibly similar to Israel who lifted most of their restrictions earlier than that.

But they haven’t had a spike in infections. (I presume they are still testing symptomatics)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Oh, hang on. They are running a mini boom in Delta.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-immunologist-douse-israels-delta-fire-before-it-needs-lake-full-of-water/

And a BBC rundown on how it goes when you loosen restrictions

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57796133

“Covid-19 rules: How six countries fared after easing Covid rules”

There doesn’t seem to be high death rates happening. Nor overwhelmed hospitals. So far. Not sure if that is correct for South Korea though, because that piece only says they’ve got lots of positives happening, it doesn’t mention if they are serious.

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

Stupid people are a threat.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

Stupid people are a threat.

Stupidity could be eliminated, but that would make it necessary that we invent an entirely new system of government.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

Stupid people are a threat.

Stupidity could be eliminated, but that would make it necessary that we invent an entirely new system of government.

I think the hypothesis that stupidity is limited to those in or working for a government may be a little optimistic.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Stupid people are a threat.

Stupidity could be eliminated, but that would make it necessary that we invent an entirely new system of government.

I think the hypothesis that stupidity is limited to those in or working for a government may be a little optimistic.

Yes. Many of them are working against the government.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Stupid people are a threat.

Stupidity could be eliminated, but that would make it necessary that we invent an entirely new system of government.

I think the hypothesis that stupidity is limited to those in or working for a government may be a little optimistic.

It’s by no means limited to that sphere, but that’s certainly an area in which it seems to thrive, and where its elimination would necessitate sweeping changes.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Stupid people are a threat.

Stupidity could be eliminated, but that would make it necessary that we invent an entirely new system of government.

I put it to you that I don’t see how any day, lately, could have been good the way this bloody country’s run.

Well, you know, I was just trying to do my best, trying to get from A to B, do a little shopping. I was trying to take control of my life, you know, only to find that it’s actually controlled for me by petty bureaucracy and bits of bloody paper – ignorant bloody petty rules and laws that just obstruct every tiny little action until you’ve committed a crime without even knowing it!

I mean, you know, why can’t life just be made a little easier for everybody, eh? Why can’t it be more like the Continent, and run down the street in front of charging bulls whilst letting fireworks off out of my bloody nostrils without anyone blinking an eye? Uh? Because nobody’s at work because they all want to have just a little bit of fun and they’re not intimidated by some outdated work ethic. I mean, there has to be more to life than just being safe…

Why, oh why, do we pay taxes, hmmm? I mean, just to have bloody stay-at-home restrictions- and BOLLOCKY-QR-BLOODY-codes?… and those BASTARD signs outside shops windows, making it so difficult, so you can’t even get in them! I mean, I know they’re there to stop stupid people running into the street and spreading disease! But we’re not all stupid! We don’t all need nurse-maiding. I mean, why not just have a Stupidity Tax? Just tax the stupid people!

“NSW records 105 locally acquired COVID cases

Ms Berejiklian says 27 of those cases where infections while in the community.”

That’s a small reduction in the cases not already in isolation. For one day. But it is a good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100302266

Michael V said:

“NSW records 105 locally acquired COVID cases

Ms Berejiklian says 27 of those cases where infections while in the community.”

That’s a small reduction in the cases not already in isolation. For one day. But it is a good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100302266

Particularly for a weekend?

It’s a testing time for NSW

Oh gawd……………….. here we go. Gladys Beryl Gillian (they never say her last name for some reason. Anyone know what it is?) is at it again.

So what will it be today? Seasonally adjusted or underlying rate of infections?

Where? Work in logistics? WTF is that?

LCOKDOWN She said it!!!!! She said it!!!

blah blah blah blah…..

She said it again!!!

Oh…… and wear a mask.

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s a testing time for NSW

punny.

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

I readed that, the stan, few things in there, quite a few, i’d challenge, but couldn’t be bothered

just a reminder perhaps, perhaps is needed, that one of the biggest reasons for containment, including lockdowns, is to stop hospitals getting overwhelmed, and covid cases displacing delivery of other medical procedures etc. And remember hospitals become contagion-central themselves when delivering care for covid patients

anything that distracts from that is probably bullshit

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s a testing time for NSW

:)

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s a testing time for NSW

:)

“VIC: New case confirmed in Mildura, man was at MCG game

COVID-19 Commander Jeroen Weimar says this case was confirmed in the past hour.”

I wonder whether that will reduce the regional (including Mildura) whingers?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100302266

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“NSW records 105 locally acquired COVID cases

Ms Berejiklian says 27 of those cases where infections while in the community.”

That’s a small reduction in the cases not already in isolation. For one day. But it is a good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100302266

Particularly for a weekend?

Indeed.

I thought I’d have a look at how the worldwide increase in cases is affecting China.
Slight increase. Over the past 7 days, daily new cases in China has risen a bit: 24, 27, 29, 24, 28, 36, 30.
New cases per day in China had got down to 8 at times throughout Feb, Mar, Apr, May, rising throughout June to low 20s.

Latest rise in cases. Log scale.

Mongolia and Seychelles are still badly off, too. Map for cases per MPop. What’s happening there with Cuba?

Going back to the statistic that really matters, deaths. Nothing new there, except that Russia needs watching.

I was right, Russia is worse off now than it ever has been in the past. And, worse news, the mortality rate (case fatality rate) there is worse than it ever has been before.

This tells me that, whatever is going wrong in Russia, is serious. Russia has 95% delta variant, but the mortality rate is not consistent with that of then delta variant unless Russia has developed its own new version of the delta variant which is twice as deadly.

I haven’t posted the chart below before. Deaths vs cases. The two horror countries are, of course, Mexico and Peru with near 10% case fatality rate. The high numbers from Yemen and Sudan can be ignored, because of the difficulty in getting reliable statistics (war in Yemen). Singapore and Bhutan have done marvellously well. A warning is that these are cumulative statistics over all time, and strains vary over time on the order of 3 months.

transition said:

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

I readed that, the stan, few things in there, quite a few, i’d challenge, but couldn’t be bothered

just a reminder perhaps, perhaps is needed, that one of the biggest reasons for containment, including lockdowns, is to stop hospitals getting overwhelmed, and covid cases displacing delivery of other medical procedures etc. And remember hospitals become contagion-central themselves when delivering care for covid patients

anything that distracts from that is probably bullshit

we noticed the article stopped short of explicitly stating what they were seemingly implying, that because we did better than elsewhere then we should be glad that Let It Rip didn’t happen, that Lockdown Is Worse for us now, so the correct move is to keep the virus alive so it can live with us and explode out whenever restrictions ease up

such moderation appeals

but we had the same feeling as we get when people try to pull a kind faithful conversion on us, a proselytism

maybe we’re reading it wrong

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

I readed that, the stan, few things in there, quite a few, i’d challenge, but couldn’t be bothered

just a reminder perhaps, perhaps is needed, that one of the biggest reasons for containment, including lockdowns, is to stop hospitals getting overwhelmed, and covid cases displacing delivery of other medical procedures etc. And remember hospitals become contagion-central themselves when delivering care for covid patients

anything that distracts from that is probably bullshit

we noticed the article stopped short of explicitly stating what they were seemingly implying, that because we did better than elsewhere then we should be glad that Let It Rip didn’t happen, that Lockdown Is Worse for us now, so the correct move is to keep the virus alive so it can live with us and explode out whenever restrictions ease up

such moderation appeals

but we had the same feeling as we get when people try to pull a kind faithful conversion on us, a proselytism

maybe we’re reading it wrong

Hmmm.

mollwollfumble said:

whatever is going wrong in Russia, is serious. Russia has 95% delta variant, but the mortality rate is not consistent with that of then delta variant unless Russia has developed its own new version of the delta variant which is twice as deadly.

Oh that.

That’s just a laboratory accident.

Please move along now.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I readed that, the stan, few things in there, quite a few, i’d challenge, but couldn’t be bothered

just a reminder perhaps, perhaps is needed, that one of the biggest reasons for containment, including lockdowns, is to stop hospitals getting overwhelmed, and covid cases displacing delivery of other medical procedures etc. And remember hospitals become contagion-central themselves when delivering care for covid patients

anything that distracts from that is probably bullshit

we noticed the article stopped short of explicitly stating what they were seemingly implying, that because we did better than elsewhere then we should be glad that Let It Rip didn’t happen, that Lockdown Is Worse for us now, so the correct move is to keep the virus alive so it can live with us and explode out whenever restrictions ease up

such moderation appeals

but we had the same feeling as we get when people try to pull a kind faithful conversion on us, a proselytism

maybe we’re reading it wrong

Hmmm.

Seems fair.

On the {perceptions of risk} matter though, we mean there are legitimate comparisons to be made whenever those authors bang on about levels of risk and what are acceptable. However, we note that for example here in Australia we don’t appreciate our schools being massacred once in a while.

More generally, do these economic scaremongers agree that being a developed, wealthy country, we should maintain our wealth at its current level and forgo The Economy Must Grow for, say, the environment ¿ We’re just asking because they always seem to be implying that being a fortunate healthy country where people have a high likelihood of survival, we should maintain that likelihood at its current level and forgo improvements to health and safety because risk aversion or tolerance to any newly recognised risk must be calibrated to preexisting aversion or tolerance.

Dr Chant said she wanted to see more testing across Sydney, but particularly in Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. However, she conceded the state’s pathology services were now operating close to capacity and were prioritising results for close and casual contacts.

Dr Chant also said a number of paramedics were now in isolation after becoming infectious while on the job, but did not give any further details. She also revealed a nurse infected with COVID-19 had been working in a locked-down area and there was no risk to the community.

guess they shouldn’t have let it get to this level

An article about long-Covid. Unfortunately there are some interesting graphs that are not uploading properly but the text of the article is useful on its own:

A new study using wearable devices could help to define long covid
14% of covid-19 patients have elevated heart rates for months after infection
JUL 17TH 2021

The gravest costs of the covid-19 pandemic, in lives lost and economies paralysed, have been plain to see. But one of its most durable consequences is also among the hardest to measure: the plight of “long-haulers” with chronic symptoms.

Doctors have not yet agreed on a definition of long covid. Some use it to describe symptoms lasting at least four weeks; others for six months or more. Nor is there consensus on which symptoms qualify. Most accounts cite exercise intolerance or shortness of breath; changes to involuntary functions like heart rates; or cognitive impairment (“brain fog”). But the severity needed for a diagnosis is open to debate.

Covid-19 is too new for long-run studies of its impact to be complete. However, a new paper by researchers at Scripps Research Translational Institute and CareEvolution, a health-care firm, suggests that heart rates can distinguish some long-haulers from patients who recover fully.

In March 2020 Scripps began obtaining data from users of wearable fitness trackers. So far, 38,000 people have enrolled. The study covers 875 participants who had symptoms of respiratory illness and were tested for covid-19, of whom 234 were positive. The rest tested negative and probably had other ailments, letting the researchers compare covid-19 with different diseases.

Covid-19 was distinctively disruptive. Although patients with symptoms who tested negative did increase hours of sleep and reduce the number of steps they took, these changes were modest and brief. In the covid-positive group, the effects were 2.5 times larger, and lasted for a month.

The most striking differences involved heart rates. An elevated pulse can leave tissue short of oxygen, causing lightheadedness or shortness of breath. Whereas the resting heart rates of people with non-covid ailments rose only slightly, those of covid-19 patients oscillated. In most cases—86% of people testing positive—pulses rose on average by 1.4 beats per minute (bpm), and then fell by 2.9bpm. As patients recovered, their hearts sped up again, to 0.5bpm above the starting point. They returned to normal after about 65 days.

However, the remaining 14% of people with covid-19—a share similar to the incidence of long covid found in some other studies—faced graver changes. Their pulses followed the same rise-fall-rise-fall pattern, over a similar time period. However, the impact was larger, with an average peak increase of 8.8bpm. Moreover, after 70 days their heart rates levelled out at 5.4bpm above the pre-covid pace. Their pulses stayed in that range until the study ended.

Long-haulers often bemoan unending symptoms. Although the study did not track symptoms after the acute phase of covid-19, it confirms that the disease can affect vital signs for months. It also identifies risk factors for long covid: participants with highly elevated pulses were unusually likely to suffer coughs, body aches and trouble breathing early in their illnesses.

Many young people think they do not need covid-19 vaccines because their risk is low. However, youth did not reduce participants’ chances of having elevated pulses. Greater awareness of long covid might relieve such sceptics of this fallacy.

mollwollfumble said:

I thought I’d have a look at how the worldwide increase in cases is affecting China.
Slight increase. Over the past 7 days, daily new cases in China has risen a bit: 24, 27, 29, 24, 28, 36, 30.
New cases per day in China had got down to 8 at times throughout Feb, Mar, Apr, May, rising throughout June to low 20s.

(snip)

Remember that China doesn’t record asymptomatic cases. Could they be rising, as the vaccination campaign proceeds? Could this be causing the slight uptick in symptomatic cases?

Mind, recorded cases per head of population means that the numbers above are likely statistically insignificant.

SCIENCE said:

bq. Dr Chant said she wanted to see more testing across Sydney, but particularly in Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. However, she conceded the state’s pathology services were now operating close to capacity and were prioritising results for close and casual contacts.

Dr Chant also said a number of paramedics were now in isolation after becoming infectious while on the job, but did not give any further details. She also revealed a nurse infected with COVID-19 had been working in a locked-down area and there was no risk to the community.

guess they shouldn’t have let it get to this level

“Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. “

Significantly these suburbs are not in the Fairfield LGA.

Dr Chant said she wanted to see more testing across Sydney, but particularly in Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. However, she conceded the state’s pathology services were now operating close to capacity and were prioritising results for close and casual contacts.

Dr Chant also said a number of paramedics were now in isolation after becoming infectious while on the job, but did not give any further details. She also revealed a nurse infected with COVID-19 had been working in a locked-down area and there was no risk to the community.

guess they shouldn’t have let it get to this level

actually we take that back, in line with previous statements, perhaps the correct perspective is the other end, instead we put forward this

WTF 18 months into a pandemic and you have built enough capacity to fail the moment an outbreak exceeds 100 cases per day ¿ Is that like how you want to bring 500000 Real Australians home but can’t be bothered building proper safe quarantine facilities* with the capacity to provide for them ¿

*: because this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/new-medihotel-concerns-local-residents-in-sydneys-north/100297034 sounds like it’s got every chance of being perfect gold standard

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Dr Chant said she wanted to see more testing across Sydney, but particularly in Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. However, she conceded the state’s pathology services were now operating close to capacity and were prioritising results for close and casual contacts.

Dr Chant also said a number of paramedics were now in isolation after becoming infectious while on the job, but did not give any further details. She also revealed a nurse infected with COVID-19 had been working in a locked-down area and there was no risk to the community.

guess they shouldn’t have let it get to this level

“Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. “

Significantly these suburbs are not in the Fairfield LGA.

Well if you don’t test you don’t have cases right.

(¿should we be concerned that these suburbs are not in the Fairfield LGA?)

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

I thought I’d have a look at how the worldwide increase in cases is affecting China.
Slight increase. Over the past 7 days, daily new cases in China has risen a bit: 24, 27, 29, 24, 28, 36, 30.
New cases per day in China had got down to 8 at times throughout Feb, Mar, Apr, May, rising throughout June to low 20s.

(snip)

Remember that China doesn’t record asymptomatic cases. Could they be rising, as the vaccination campaign proceeds? Could this be causing the slight uptick in symptomatic cases?

Mind, recorded cases per head of population means that the numbers above are likely statistically insignificant.

oh we think those are absolute numbers so probably more reassuring

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-reports-30-new-coronavirus-cases-july-16-vs-36-day-earlier-2021-07-17/

SHANGHAI, July 17 (Reuters) – China reported 30 new confirmed coronavirus cases in the mainland on July 16, compared with 36 a day earlier, the country’s health authority said on Saturday. Twenty eight of the new cases were imported and two were locally transmitted, data from the National Health Commission showed. China also reported 20 new asymptomatic coronavirus cases in the mainland, compared with 23 a day earlier. China does not classify asymptomatic infections as confirmed cases.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

sibeen said:

We forget how remarkably Australia has performed. Through good management, some good fortune, responsible government, and a great commitment from ordinary Australians, we have managed to largely escape a pandemic that has ravaged the world

Stan Grant

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-lockdown-health-emergency-not-a-crisis/100298320

I readed that, the stan, few things in there, quite a few, i’d challenge, but couldn’t be bothered

just a reminder perhaps, perhaps is needed, that one of the biggest reasons for containment, including lockdowns, is to stop hospitals getting overwhelmed, and covid cases displacing delivery of other medical procedures etc. And remember hospitals become contagion-central themselves when delivering care for covid patients

anything that distracts from that is probably bullshit

we noticed the article stopped short of explicitly stating what they were seemingly implying, that because we did better than elsewhere then we should be glad that Let It Rip didn’t happen, that Lockdown Is Worse for us now, so the correct move is to keep the virus alive so it can live with us and explode out whenever restrictions ease up

such moderation appeals

but we had the same feeling as we get when people try to pull a kind faithful conversion on us, a proselytism

maybe we’re reading it wrong

imagine for a moment cough extracts some authority from a teetering emergency, that would be me suggesting he could be part of the ideological apparatus, he might counter with we all are

anyway, my advise, my caution, is don’t let anyone distract from the reality of what an imposition a serious outbreak would be for hospitals and importantly those that work in them, and what it would mean for delivery of more normal medical services

once the masters of spin evaporate that from your mind all you have left is their spin, bullshit really

Immunologist Talks About Living With COVID-19

Wait, is h’ saying that the “old normal” we so long for isn’t viable regardless ¿ Oh.

Is h’ saying that going forward, there will be measures that are the same as the measures that will “eliminate maximally suppress” disease ¿ Ah.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

I readed that, the stan, few things in there, quite a few, i’d challenge, but couldn’t be bothered

just a reminder perhaps, perhaps is needed, that one of the biggest reasons for containment, including lockdowns, is to stop hospitals getting overwhelmed, and covid cases displacing delivery of other medical procedures etc. And remember hospitals become contagion-central themselves when delivering care for covid patients

anything that distracts from that is probably bullshit

we noticed the article stopped short of explicitly stating what they were seemingly implying, that because we did better than elsewhere then we should be glad that Let It Rip didn’t happen, that Lockdown Is Worse for us now, so the correct move is to keep the virus alive so it can live with us and explode out whenever restrictions ease up

such moderation appeals

but we had the same feeling as we get when people try to pull a kind faithful conversion on us, a proselytism

maybe we’re reading it wrong

imagine for a moment cough extracts some authority from a teetering emergency, that would be me suggesting he could be part of the ideological apparatus, he might counter with we all are

anyway, my advise, my caution, is don’t let anyone distract from the reality of what an imposition a serious outbreak would be for hospitals and importantly those that work in them, and what it would mean for delivery of more normal medical services

once the masters of spin evaporate that from your mind all you have left is their spin, bullshit really

We feel like we agree with transition here and offer this clip from some yellafella, WTF is a “neurologist” anyway, are they pretending to be some kind of expert or something ¿

Josh Butler
@JoshButler
·
26m
Home affairs minister Karen Andrews asks Border Force to “urgently review” Katie Hopkins case, after her claims about trying to breach hotel hotel quarantine in Sydney #auspol

https://twitter.com/JoshButler/status/1416581666546479107?s=07&fbclid=IwAR03M5Yi0C62v46M_9aJsRHw442W9l0jcmrfjkYZN7vbvD0hGFSGVo3qJ60

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

Michael V said:

“VIC: New case confirmed in Mildura, man was at MCG game

COVID-19 Commander Jeroen Weimar says this case was confirmed in the past hour.”

I wonder whether that will reduce the regional (including Mildura) whingers?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-live-updates-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-sydney-qld/100302266

Nup…still positives closest to us are Waurn Ponds (over 200km) and Mildura is 500km. Victoria isn’t as small as Tasmania, there are some quite long distances across the horizontal axis.

SCIENCE said:

bq. Dr Chant said she wanted to see more testing across Sydney, but particularly in Mount Druitt, Cumberland and Rooty Hill. However, she conceded the state’s pathology services were now operating close to capacity and were prioritising results for close and casual contacts.

Dr Chant also said a number of paramedics were now in isolation after becoming infectious while on the job, but did not give any further details. She also revealed a nurse infected with COVID-19 had been working in a locked-down area and there was no risk to the community.

guess they shouldn’t have let it get to this level

So if our very first world path services are at capacity (I presume other path is pushed aside for now), imagine how hard it is in places like India.

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

Oh, the British medical profession is up in arms at this. This country will lift all restrictions tomorrow, including face masks on public transport. Look at their graph:

For a country in the middle of a fourth wave, this just seems totally irresponsible to lift restrictions. They were due to lift them n June but postponned it by a month because case were slowly creeping up back then. Now look at what happened in the months since then.

If the number of case in June was reason enough to delay the lifting of restrictions, why is the same argument not valid in July when the situation os 10 times worse? It makes no sense.

The UK Health Minister has tested positive for the rona on the eve of Freedom Day.
When asked about this the Scottish Health Minister put out his cigarette, put down his glass of whisky, stood up and grabbed his lapels and said ‘they can take our lives but they’ll never take our freedom”
He then sat down and asked a reporter what the question was again.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

Oh, the British medical profession is up in arms at this. This country will lift all restrictions tomorrow, including face masks on public transport. Look at their graph:

For a country in the middle of a fourth wave, this just seems totally irresponsible to lift restrictions. They were due to lift them n June but postponned it by a month because case were slowly creeping up back then. Now look at what happened in the months since then.

If the number of case in June was reason enough to delay the lifting of restrictions, why is the same argument not valid in July when the situation os 10 times worse? It makes no sense.

The following attempt at humour fails because the implied meaning of “will” as “a legal document containing instructions as to what should be done with one’s money and property after one’s death” requires that tory grifters (we’re aware this is a tautology) have not already left one with zero money and property.

Except for the clothes one wears.

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

The UK probably is doing that, but against its own population.

If you want to control a population, it’s easiest to do if you can keep them poor and/or sick and/or ignorant.

Peak Warming Man said:

The UK Health Minister has tested positive for the rona on the eve of Freedom Day.
When asked about this the Scottish Health Minister put out his cigarette, put down his glass of whisky, stood up and grabbed his lapels and said ‘they can take our lives but they’ll never take our freedom”
He then sat down and asked a reporter what the question was again.

And asked when the deep-fried hamburgers would be arriving.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

The UK probably is doing that, but against its own population.

If you want to control a population, it’s easiest to do if you can keep them poor and/or sick and/or ignorant.

I saw a comment a couple of days ago from one of these independent SAGE people. She said something along the lines of “if I were asked to come up with a set of policies to promote the rapid spread of the virus through the population, my advice would be to do exactly what the government is doing now”.

SCIENCE said:

Immunologist Talks About Living With COVID-19

Wait, is h’ saying that the “old normal” we so long for isn’t viable regardless ¿ Oh.

Is h’ saying that going forward, there will be measures that are the same as the measures that will “eliminate maximally suppress” disease ¿ Ah.

Baxter’s comments are quite reasonable.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

Oh, the British medical profession is up in arms at this. This country will lift all restrictions tomorrow, including face masks on public transport. Look at their graph:

For a country in the middle of a fourth wave, this just seems totally irresponsible to lift restrictions. They were due to lift them n June but postponned it by a month because case were slowly creeping up back then. Now look at what happened in the months since then.

If the number of case in June was reason enough to delay the lifting of restrictions, why is the same argument not valid in July when the situation os 10 times worse? It makes no sense.

Yeah, weird alright.

Michael V said:

Baxter’s comments are quite reasonable.

Someone at work asked me ‘when do you think that things will be normal again?’

‘This is ‘normal’ from now on’ i told them.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

The UK probably is doing that, but against its own population.

If you want to control a population, it’s easiest to do if you can keep them poor and/or sick and/or ignorant.

I saw a comment a couple of days ago from one of these independent SAGE people. She said something along the lines of “if I were asked to come up with a set of policies to promote the rapid spread of the virus through the population, my advice would be to do exactly what the government is doing now”.

Quite a fair comment, I think.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Baxter’s comments are quite reasonable.

Someone at work asked me ‘when do you think that things will be normal again?’

‘This is ‘normal’ from now on’ i told them.

It will become a bit more “normal” as the %age of vaccinated world population rises.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

This so-called “expert” who claims to be “Public health physician, Visiting Prof of Public Health at Uni of Bristol, former Regional Director of Public Health in England and a member of @IndependentSage” reckons UK is weaponising COVID-19. Yeah right.

Oh, the British medical profession is up in arms at this. This country will lift all restrictions tomorrow, including face masks on public transport. Look at their graph:

For a country in the middle of a fourth wave, this just seems totally irresponsible to lift restrictions. They were due to lift them n June but postponned it by a month because case were slowly creeping up back then. Now look at what happened in the months since then.

If the number of case in June was reason enough to delay the lifting of restrictions, why is the same argument not valid in July when the situation os 10 times worse? It makes no sense.

Yeah, weird alright.

I think they have given up. Dealing with a major crisis was not on their ideological list of things to do. They want to get on with ruining the country and managing a pandemic is just taking up too much time and distracting resources.

Michael Heseltine said of Boris Johnson that he is the sort of politician that waits to see which way the crowd is running and then dashes to the front and shouts “follow me!”. Popularist politicians like this are probably the worst sort of people to have in charge in a crisis.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/who-in-sydney-is-an-authorised-worker/100302384

The list of people who can leave the Sydney LGAs to go to work is, um, quite long…

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/who-in-sydney-is-an-authorised-worker/100302384

The list of people who can leave the Sydney LGAs to go to work is, um, quite long…

Indeed as is the list of those who can go into a LGA to work from outside one.. I think from memory its everyone

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/who-in-sydney-is-an-authorised-worker/100302384

The list of people who can leave the Sydney LGAs to go to work is, um, quite long…

Indeed as is the list of those who can go into a LGA to work from outside one.. I think from memory its everyone

No wonder people are confused.

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/who-in-sydney-is-an-authorised-worker/100302384

The list of people who can leave the Sydney LGAs to go to work is, um, quite long…

Indeed as is the list of those who can go into a LGA to work from outside one.. I think from memory its everyone

No wonder people are confused.

yes… indeed. I’m to go to work tomorrow in Liverpool.

party_pants said:

Oh, the British medical profession is up in arms at this. This country will lift all restrictions tomorrow, including face masks on public transport. Look at their graph:

For a country in the middle of a fourth wave, this just seems totally irresponsible to lift restrictions. They were due to lift them n June but postponned it by a month because case were slowly creeping up back then. Now look at what happened in the months since then.

If the number of case in June was reason enough to delay the lifting of restrictions, why is the same argument not valid in July when the situation os 10 times worse? It makes no sense.

The death rate from the delta variant is sufficiently low that it really kills only those who already have pre-existing deadly conditions.

So by killing off its pensioners (both old age and disability), the UK government wins by being able to spend less money on social security.

Even more, exposing everyone to Covid induces immunity more cheaply than vaccinating them.

So either way the UK treasury makes a killing.

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/who-in-sydney-is-an-authorised-worker/100302384

The list of people who can leave the Sydney LGAs to go to work is, um, quite long…

Indeed as is the list of those who can go into a LGA to work from outside one.. I think from memory its everyone

No wonder people are confused.

You people…

You keep expecting that directions from our ‘leaders’ should make sense.

‘Making sense’ is way down on the list of priorities, if it’s there at all.

It’s about being seen to look like you’re doing something, like you’re able to exert some control over things, even when you know that you’ve managed to make yourself irrelevant.

Doesn’t matter what you say – with the 24 hr-news cycle, the media will have forgotten all about what you said yesterday. It’s like ‘Groundhog Day’: every day, you get to start all over again, as if yesterday never happened.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Indeed as is the list of those who can go into a LGA to work from outside one.. I think from memory its everyone

No wonder people are confused.

You people…

You keep expecting that directions from our ‘leaders’ should make sense.

‘Making sense’ is way down on the list of priorities, if it’s there at all.

It’s about being seen to look like you’re doing something, like you’re able to exert some control over things, even when you know that you’ve managed to make yourself irrelevant.

Doesn’t matter what you say – with the 24 hr-news cycle, the media will have forgotten all about what you said yesterday. It’s like ‘Groundhog Day’: every day, you get to start all over again, as if yesterday never happened.

Fleetwood Mac: Don’t stop.

Thank god.

Go away and don’t come back.

mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

Oh, the British medical profession is up in arms at this. This country will lift all restrictions tomorrow, including face masks on public transport. Look at their graph:

For a country in the middle of a fourth wave, this just seems totally irresponsible to lift restrictions. They were due to lift them n June but postponned it by a month because case were slowly creeping up back then. Now look at what happened in the months since then.

If the number of case in June was reason enough to delay the lifting of restrictions, why is the same argument not valid in July when the situation os 10 times worse? It makes no sense.

The death rate from the delta variant is sufficiently low that it really kills only those who already have pre-existing deadly conditions.

So by killing off its pensioners (both old age and disability), the UK government wins by being able to spend less money on social security.

Even more, exposing everyone to Covid induces immunity more cheaply than vaccinating them.

So either way the UK treasury makes a killing.

or the they simply lost control of it, couldn’t turn it around, didn’t collectively care enough to protect those delivering medical services

sarahs mum said:

Thank god.

Go away and don’t come back.

And 7 should do the same for even thinking a far right wing wanker was good content.

sarahs mum said:

Thank god.

Go away and don’t come back.

It’s amusing the way her own mouth keeps getting her fired.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Thank god.

Go away and don’t come back.

It’s amusing the way her own mouth keeps getting her fired.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/katie-hopkins-visa-under-review/100302662

Well, someone in Mildura should be a consultant to the NSW government on setting up testing. No mucking around there. The timeline seems to be:

Today at 10.00am a positive test comes in for a man at the hospital.
By 1.30pm extra testing is set up at the footy oval.

Didn’t NSW tell heaps of people they had to get tested and then discover the testing facilities weren’t up to it for a couple of days (thinking the Western suburbs bit here)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/mildura-records-positive-case-of-covid-19/100302594

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Thank god.

Go away and don’t come back.

It’s amusing the way her own mouth keeps getting her fired.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/katie-hopkins-visa-under-review/100302662

‘Ms Hopkins has been sacked as a newspaper columnist and radio host in the United Kingdom for comparing migrants to cockroaches and calling for a “final solution” for Muslims and was permanently banned from Twitter in 2020 for breaching the platform’s “hateful conduct” policy.’

But sure you can have an Australian visa.

same old, same old

buffy said:

Well, someone in Mildura should be a consultant to the NSW government on setting up testing. No mucking around there. The timeline seems to be:

Today at 10.00am a positive test comes in for a man at the hospital.
By 1.30pm extra testing is set up at the footy oval.

Didn’t NSW tell heaps of people they had to get tested and then discover the testing facilities weren’t up to it for a couple of days (thinking the Western suburbs bit here)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/mildura-records-positive-case-of-covid-19/100302594

fair’s fair, they’ve done well to be proactive, but they’ve also had 18 months to witness and learn from the bullshit

Seven Network and Endemol Shine Australia confirm that Katie Hopkins is not part of Big Brother VIP,” the network said. “Seven and Endemol Shine strongly condemn her irresponsible and reckless comments in hotel quarantine.”
—-

Ah well that’s something. Not sure what Endemol Shine is or whether it is available over the counter.

dv said:

Seven Network and Endemol Shine Australia confirm that Katie Hopkins is not part of Big Brother VIP,” the network said. “Seven and Endemol Shine strongly condemn her irresponsible and reckless comments in hotel quarantine.”
—-

Ah well that’s something. Not sure what Endemol Shine is or whether it is available over the counter.

They were clearly hoping for some irresponsible and reckless comments once she was inside the BB House. Only themselves to blame for recruiting her in the first place.

“We went looking for complete dickheads to fill our BB House because we thought it would attract good ratings. We are shocked and appalled that one of these dickheads acted like a dickhead even before starting the show. We condemn dickheadery in the strongest possible terms”.

dv said:

Seven Network and Endemol Shine Australia confirm that Katie Hopkins is not part of Big Brother VIP,” the network said. “Seven and Endemol Shine strongly condemn her irresponsible and reckless comments in hotel quarantine.”
—-

Ah well that’s something. Not sure what Endemol Shine is or whether it is available over the counter.

Production company.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Seven Network and Endemol Shine Australia confirm that Katie Hopkins is not part of Big Brother VIP,” the network said. “Seven and Endemol Shine strongly condemn her irresponsible and reckless comments in hotel quarantine.”
—-

Ah well that’s something. Not sure what Endemol Shine is or whether it is available over the counter.

They were clearly hoping for some irresponsible and reckless comments once she was inside the BB House. Only themselves to blame for recruiting her in the first place.

“We went looking for complete dickheads to fill our BB House because we thought it would attract good ratings. We are shocked and appalled that one of these dickheads acted like a dickhead even before starting the show. We condemn dickheadery in the strongest possible terms”.

p_p’s Honest PR Company.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Seven Network and Endemol Shine Australia confirm that Katie Hopkins is not part of Big Brother VIP,” the network said. “Seven and Endemol Shine strongly condemn her irresponsible and reckless comments in hotel quarantine.”
—-

Ah well that’s something. Not sure what Endemol Shine is or whether it is available over the counter.

They were clearly hoping for some irresponsible and reckless comments once she was inside the BB House. Only themselves to blame for recruiting her in the first place.

“We went looking for complete dickheads to fill our BB House because we thought it would attract good ratings. We are shocked and appalled that one of these dickheads acted like a dickhead even before starting the show. We condemn dickheadery in the strongest possible terms”.

Dum-dum media people keep hiring her for this or that controversial role when her history makes it clear she’s just no good at it. She always goes way too far and they have to quickly disassociate themselves from her.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well, someone in Mildura should be a consultant to the NSW government on setting up testing. No mucking around there. The timeline seems to be:

Today at 10.00am a positive test comes in for a man at the hospital.
By 1.30pm extra testing is set up at the footy oval.

Didn’t NSW tell heaps of people they had to get tested and then discover the testing facilities weren’t up to it for a couple of days (thinking the Western suburbs bit here)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/mildura-records-positive-case-of-covid-19/100302594

fair’s fair, they’ve done well to be proactive, but they’ve also had 18 months to witness and learn from the bullshit

So NSW has been asleep and not witnessing and learning?

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well, someone in Mildura should be a consultant to the NSW government on setting up testing. No mucking around there. The timeline seems to be:

Today at 10.00am a positive test comes in for a man at the hospital.
By 1.30pm extra testing is set up at the footy oval.

Didn’t NSW tell heaps of people they had to get tested and then discover the testing facilities weren’t up to it for a couple of days (thinking the Western suburbs bit here)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/mildura-records-positive-case-of-covid-19/100302594

fair’s fair, they’ve done well to be proactive, but they’ve also had 18 months to witness and learn from the bullshit

They also have the benefit of not having bagged out Dan Andrews’ methods of dealing with the outbreak could do the right thing.

But regardless, full points to whoever made sure they had a workable action plan in place.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well, someone in Mildura should be a consultant to the NSW government on setting up testing. No mucking around there. The timeline seems to be:

Today at 10.00am a positive test comes in for a man at the hospital.
By 1.30pm extra testing is set up at the footy oval.

Didn’t NSW tell heaps of people they had to get tested and then discover the testing facilities weren’t up to it for a couple of days (thinking the Western suburbs bit here)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/mildura-records-positive-case-of-covid-19/100302594

fair’s fair, they’ve done well to be proactive, but they’ve also had 18 months to witness and learn from the bullshit

They also have the benefit of not having bagged out Dan Andrews’ methods of dealing with the outbreak could do the right thing.

But regardless, full points to whoever made sure they had a workable action plan in place.

As well as thinking far enough ahead to say this too:

“Sunraysia Community Health urged people not to get tested for several hours to allow priority groups, including those who had been contacted by the public health unit, to get tested first.”

seems to be going well

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/covid-19-two-athletes-test-positive-in-olympic-village/100302896

Two athletes living in the Olympic Village have tested positive for COVID-19, the first to do so with the Tokyo Games beginning on Friday.

Kingy said:

Seems as though the US is approaching saturation

All UK adults have now been offered the vaccine with an uptake rate of 88% which is pretty good for a country with such a diverse ethnic and religious mix.

Peak Warming Man said:

All UK adults have now been offered the vaccine with an uptake rate of 88% which is pretty good for a country with such a diverse ethnic and religious mix.

88% don’t want to die. The others are willing to risk it.

Should there also be a focus on how to develop a covid test that can be as quick as detecting drugs and alcohol and also a tracking system that stops people using someone else’s results to help open up places locally, nationally and globally?

https://www.traveller.com.au/life-for-australians-in-seattle-americas-most-vaccinated-city-is-getting-back-to-normal-h1×6sw

monkey skipper said:

Should there also be a focus on how to develop a covid test that can be as quick as detecting drugs and alcohol and also a tracking system that stops people using someone else’s results to help open up places locally, nationally and globally?

Yes, but is such a thing possible?

I have no idea how tests work.

monkey skipper said:

Should there also be a focus on how to develop a covid test that can be as quick as detecting drugs and alcohol and also a tracking system that stops people using someone else’s results to help open up places locally, nationally and globally?

Is there any such test for any disease?

Woodie said:

monkey skipper said:

Should there also be a focus on how to develop a covid test that can be as quick as detecting drugs and alcohol and also a tracking system that stops people using someone else’s results to help open up places locally, nationally and globally?

Is there any such test for any disease?

Yes. But they generally only tell you if you have antibodies , which could either mean infection or past infection.

poikilotherm said:

Woodie said:

monkey skipper said:

Should there also be a focus on how to develop a covid test that can be as quick as detecting drugs and alcohol and also a tracking system that stops people using someone else’s results to help open up places locally, nationally and globally?

Is there any such test for any disease?

Yes. But they generally only tell you if you have antibodies , which could either mean infection or past infection.

I don’t see why covid testing and vaccination can’t be a single unit.
Take the test and then get vaccinated immediately, if not already vaccinated.
Fastest and easiest way to protect the close families.

https://twitter.com/greybeard3/status/1415588947254599682?s=21

A little lockdown humour.

sibeen said:

https://twitter.com/greybeard3/status/1415588947254599682?s=21

A little lockdown humour.

poikilotherm said:

Woodie said:

monkey skipper said:

Should there also be a focus on how to develop a covid test that can be as quick as detecting drugs and alcohol and also a tracking system that stops people using someone else’s results to help open up places locally, nationally and globally?

Is there any such test for any disease?

Yes. But they generally only tell you if you have antibodies , which could either mean infection or past infection.

Do we have antibody tests for ‘flu and more to the point, I suppose, do we use them or PCR for lab flu confirmation?

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

https://twitter.com/greybeard3/status/1415588947254599682?s=21

A little lockdown humour.

I for one won’t be going anywhere near her

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Woodie said:

Is there any such test for any disease?

Yes. But they generally only tell you if you have antibodies , which could either mean infection or past infection.

Do we have antibody tests for ‘flu and more to the point, I suppose, do we use them or PCR for lab flu confirmation?

PCR .

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Yes. But they generally only tell you if you have antibodies , which could either mean infection or past infection.

Do we have antibody tests for ‘flu and more to the point, I suppose, do we use them or PCR for lab flu confirmation?

PCR .

Ta. I presumed so. But NSW is using up all its capacity doing COVID testing, or so I read today.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Do we have antibody tests for ‘flu and more to the point, I suppose, do we use them or PCR for lab flu confirmation?

PCR .

Ta. I presumed so. But NSW is using up all its capacity doing COVID testing, or so I read today.

They’ll still do the other tests , just very delayed compared to usual.

dv said:

Kingy said:

Seems as though the US is approaching saturation

Like Israel did earlier.

A new wave of cases could change that, we hope. More likely, though, increasing bureaucratic hurdles will slow distribution. Here we’ve already had a rapid decline in the number of vaccine distribution centres and rapidly increasing levels of password protection hurdles on the web.

Vaccination in selected countries.

See what I mean about Israel saturation.

Come to think of it, where’s all the reliable data on Chinese vaccination got to? Found it.
Realtive to population, vaccine doses from China and the USA are now exactly equal.

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

Michael V said:

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Did you read what MV posted? It tells you.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Did you read what MV posted? It tells you.

A front. As far as I can see. She was well known to be a problem in England.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Did you read what MV posted? It tells you.

A front. As far as I can see. She was well known to be a problem in England.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Did you read what MV posted? It tells you.

A front. As far as I can see. She was well known to be a problem in England.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

True enough but this one is rather smelly.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Did you read what MV posted? It tells you.

A front. As far as I can see. She was well known to be a problem in England.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Narrows eyes.

So, the “not everything is a conspiracy “ conspiracy again?

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Did you read what MV posted? It tells you.

A front. As far as I can see. She was well known to be a problem in England.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

that’s rb’s social systems theory, indulgence, a theory of how-all-the-bullshit-works

there is though a conspiracy to make television interesting, and news, and neurons conspire to make whatever interesting

transition said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

A front. As far as I can see. She was well known to be a problem in England.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

that’s rb’s social systems theory, indulgence, a theory of how-all-the-bullshit-works

there is though a conspiracy to make television interesting, and news, and neurons conspire to make whatever interesting

I doubt it is interesting. Blatant propaganda.
Keep people stupid.
Push the stupid envelope
Call it interesting.

roughbarked said:

transition said:

buffy said:

Not everything is a conspiracy.

that’s rb’s social systems theory, indulgence, a theory of how-all-the-bullshit-works

there is though a conspiracy to make television interesting, and news, and neurons conspire to make whatever interesting

I doubt it is interesting. Blatant propaganda.
Keep people stupid.
Push the stupid envelope
Call it interesting.

imagine a world with no controversy, none at all, you might ask what went wrong

transition said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

that’s rb’s social systems theory, indulgence, a theory of how-all-the-bullshit-works

there is though a conspiracy to make television interesting, and news, and neurons conspire to make whatever interesting

I doubt it is interesting. Blatant propaganda.
Keep people stupid.
Push the stupid envelope
Call it interesting.

imagine a world with no controversy, none at all, you might ask what went wrong

It’s easy if you try.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

I doubt it is interesting. Blatant propaganda.
Keep people stupid.
Push the stupid envelope
Call it interesting.

imagine a world with no controversy, none at all, you might ask what went wrong

It’s easy if you try.

:)

My prediction – first week of August will be an interesting one.

UK will see a massive upsurge in cases, but a much smaller upsurge in fatalities.
Western Sydney will go off the charts.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

imagine a world with no controversy, none at all, you might ask what went wrong

It’s easy if you try.

:)

I live in my own world and it is fine.
I’m sure the whole world could benefit without Big Brother and basically most of the shyte these TV stations feed us.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

I doubt it is interesting. Blatant propaganda.
Keep people stupid.
Push the stupid envelope
Call it interesting.

imagine a world with no controversy, none at all, you might ask what went wrong

It’s easy if you try.

I mean if a world emerged with humans in it and there was no controversy would you be capable of asking what went wrong

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Ch 7 brought here here to lock her up inna house. Generate conflict and contempt, I should think. Ironic, really.

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Ch 7 brought here here to lock her up inna house. Generate conflict and contempt, I should think. Ironic, really.

Probably best to see the irony and walk away.

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins will be deported after her visa was cancelled overnight.

Ms Hopkins had been brought to Australia by Channel 7 to join its reality television program Big Brother VIP, but was dropped from the program after boasting about the ways she was undermining the hotel’s safety protocols, describing the lockdown as a “hoax”.

Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews told ABC News Breakfast Ms Hopkins’s visa had been cancelled.

“We will be getting her out of the country as soon as we can arrange that,” she said.

“I am hoping that will happen imminently.”

More to come.”

Good thing.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Ch 7 brought here here to lock her up inna house. Generate conflict and contempt, I should think. Ironic, really.

Then she goes and does some freelance controversy on 7’s time.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/18/nsw-covid-update-105-new-cases-reported-and-one-death-as-berejiklian-relaxes-south-west-sydney-rules

Dark Orange said:

My prediction – first week of August will be an interesting one.

UK will see a massive upsurge in cases, but a much smaller upsurge in fatalities.
Western Sydney will go off the charts.

How did it get into Western Sydney from Bondi?

Dark Orange said:

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

So who brought her in and what was their agenda. Don’t tell me anyone wanted her here.

Ch 7 brought here here to lock her up inna house. Generate conflict and contempt, I should think. Ironic, really.

Then she goes and does some freelance controversy on 7’s time.

She could have been controversing in her spare time…

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/18/nsw-covid-update-105-new-cases-reported-and-one-death-as-berejiklian-relaxes-south-west-sydney-rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXw7LYWNi5E

so they mean 37 infectious in the community

—

Further details on those new cases in NSW
Of these locally acquired cases, 61 are linked to a known case or cluster – 43 are household contacts and 18 are close contacts – and the source of infection for 37 cases is under investigation.

Fifty-four cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 17 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty cases were infectious in the community, and the isolation status of seven cases remains under investigation.

Can’t talk. Dan’s live on Aunty.

He’s not lifting restrictions tomorrow night. Don’t know when….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

It’s getting closer to the anti vaccinationists.

From the ABC live updates:

VIC: Positive cases infectious in community for 1.7 days average, ‘we’re probably looking at a shorter period now’

Professor Sutton says while some positive cases have been out in the community “for some of that infectious period… it’s becoming a smaller and smaller time”.

“I think I spoke to 1.7 days average the other day, it stayed like that yesterday. We’re probably looking at a shorter period now,” he said. “The initial test resulting we’re getting back from people also have higher CT values, which means lower viral loads. So we’re probably picking up people earlier in their infectious period.”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

“So we’re probably picking up people earlier in their infectious period.”

But more optimistically, lower viral load might be tailend too. These people might have done their thing and be almost finished. I should see what the research actually says about the length of the infectious period.

I heard this morning that an engineer that I hired straight out of uni about 25 years ago, and worked for me for about 10 years, is now a rabid anti-vaxxer. Apparently got the daily double and turned religious as well.

sibeen said:

I heard this morning that an engineer that I hired straight out of uni about 25 years ago, and worked for me for about 10 years, is now a rabid anti-vaxxer. Apparently got the daily double and turned religious as well.

Praise the Lord.

sibeen said:

I heard this morning that an engineer that I hired straight out of uni about 25 years ago, and worked for me for about 10 years, is now a rabid anti-vaxxer. Apparently got the daily double and turned religious as well.

Cause and effect?

buffy said:

From the ABC live updates:

VIC: Positive cases infectious in community for 1.7 days average, ‘we’re probably looking at a shorter period now’

Professor Sutton says while some positive cases have been out in the community “for some of that infectious period… it’s becoming a smaller and smaller time”.

“I think I spoke to 1.7 days average the other day, it stayed like that yesterday. We’re probably looking at a shorter period now,” he said. “The initial test resulting we’re getting back from people also have higher CT values, which means lower viral loads. So we’re probably picking up people earlier in their infectious period.”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

“So we’re probably picking up people earlier in their infectious period.”

But more optimistically, lower viral load might be tailend too. These people might have done their thing and be almost finished. I should see what the research actually says about the length of the infectious period.

Actually, not so easy to find. This was published in October last year:

>>The pooled average incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 was about 6 days. The longest incubation period was observed in China. Global health initiatives as well as local health planners should consider this average incubation period when designing optimal prevention and control strategies for SARS-CoV-2. (Curr Ther Res Clin Exp. 2020; 81:XXX–XXX)<<

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7548076/

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

It’s getting closer to the anti vaccinationists.

The per capita figure for the Richmond valley is the same as the rest of the state, even with nutbag hotbeds of Mullumbimby and Nimbim.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/18/questions-grow-pilot-scheme-boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-covid-self-isolation-u-turn

Questions grow over pilot scheme after Johnson and Sunak isolation U-turn

No 10 accused of sowing confusion and creating ‘special rule’ for ministers on eve of England’s Covid reopening

Boris Johnson’s plan to lift England’s remaining lockdown restrictions was overshadowed by a furious backlash against the prime minister and his chancellor on Sunday, triggering a hasty U-turn and prompting questions about a pilot scheme designed to let them avoid isolation.

Downing Street was accused of sowing confusion and a sense of “one rule for them” on the eve of so-called “freedom day” by saying Johnson and Rishi Sunak would continue with “essential government business” while having daily rapid tests.

https://www.kantar.com/uki/inspiration/politics/two-thirds-of-brits-think-some-restrictions-should-remain-after-19-july

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

‘Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey’. Gotta like that.

Best thing to do for ‘super sticky beer soaked carpet’: get rid of it. No-one will miss it. They had tiled pubs in the old days for a reason, y’know.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

I heard this morning that an engineer that I hired straight out of uni about 25 years ago, and worked for me for about 10 years, is now a rabid anti-vaxxer. Apparently got the daily double and turned religious as well.

Praise the Lord.

And pass the misinformation.

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/18/questions-grow-pilot-scheme-boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-covid-self-isolation-u-turn

Questions grow over pilot scheme after Johnson and Sunak isolation U-turn

No 10 accused of sowing confusion and creating ‘special rule’ for ministers on eve of England’s Covid reopening

Boris Johnson’s plan to lift England’s remaining lockdown restrictions was overshadowed by a furious backlash against the prime minister and his chancellor on Sunday, triggering a hasty U-turn and prompting questions about a pilot scheme designed to let them avoid isolation.

Downing Street was accused of sowing confusion and a sense of “one rule for them” on the eve of so-called “freedom day” by saying Johnson and Rishi Sunak would continue with “essential government business” while having daily rapid tests.

The new Health minister has caught Covid, and most of the rest of the cabinet are close contacts. Under there own rules they should all be isolating.

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

‘Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey’. Gotta like that.

Best thing to do for ‘super sticky beer soaked carpet’: get rid of it. No-one will miss it. They had tiled pubs in the old days for a reason, y’know.

Our pub used the lockdown last year to dispose of the carpet and polish the concrete floor.

dv said:

So under FPTP voting the Tories are shitting it in then.

This looks like a reasonably good, current – June – and I think reliable synthesis of the state of play.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention#H3392906512

COVID-19: Epidemiology, virology, and prevention

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

‘Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey’. Gotta like that.

Best thing to do for ‘super sticky beer soaked carpet’: get rid of it. No-one will miss it. They had tiled pubs in the old days for a reason, y’know.

Seriously, I’ve trudged through a lot of sticky beer soaked pub carpets and the Hoey Moey’s was the stickiest.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

‘Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey’. Gotta like that.

Best thing to do for ‘super sticky beer soaked carpet’: get rid of it. No-one will miss it. They had tiled pubs in the old days for a reason, y’know.

Seriously, I’ve trudged through a lot of sticky beer soaked pub carpets and the Hoey Moey’s was the stickiest.

Nothing could ever beat the carpet in the main bar of the Brickmakers Arms in Essendon, which sadly closed in 1991.

sibeen said:

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

‘Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey’. Gotta like that.

Best thing to do for ‘super sticky beer soaked carpet’: get rid of it. No-one will miss it. They had tiled pubs in the old days for a reason, y’know.

Seriously, I’ve trudged through a lot of sticky beer soaked pub carpets and the Hoey Moey’s was the stickiest.

Nothing could ever beat the carpet in the main bar of the Brickmakers Arms in Essendon, which sadly closed in 1991.

Pffft the Zoo bar at the darwin Hotel. You’d go into the toilets for a breath of fresh air.

friendlyjordies

Who would’ve thought a guy who’s been fired from almost every job he’s had would be incompetent?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE0Xf3cHJ58

Michelle Grattan:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coronavirus-lockdown-vaccines-extreme-heat/100303292

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

yes, pretty darn good.

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

really good.

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

Yeah, good enough.

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I reckon it’s pretty good too. Perhaps better than pretty good really.

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

Yeah the ads OK but if someone isn’t already motivated to get vaccinated then they’re probably incredibly stupid or narcissistic and I cannot see this changing their minds.

Getting there, getting there. About 2.1 million have been added to the Fully Vaccinated count in the last month.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I reckon it’s pretty good too. Perhaps better than pretty good really.

It’s like it was made by artists rather than a marketing committee.

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

It’s getting closer to the anti vaccinationists.

?

Just from reading the words above, it seemed to me he had a pretty positive attitude.

(Can we still talk about a “positive attitude” though?)

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

Yeah the ads OK but if someone isn’t already motivated to get vaccinated then they’re probably incredibly stupid or narcissistic and I cannot see this changing their minds.

you realise there are people who may be hesitant rather than anti-vaxxers?

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

I heard this morning that an engineer that I hired straight out of uni about 25 years ago, and worked for me for about 10 years, is now a rabid anti-vaxxer. Apparently got the daily double and turned religious as well.

Praise the Lord.

Don’t blame yourself though.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

Yeah the ads OK but if someone isn’t already motivated to get vaccinated then they’re probably incredibly stupid or narcissistic and I cannot see this changing their minds.

you realise there are people who may be hesitant rather than anti-vaxxers?

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I’ll watch it later.

He is a rabid, liberal hating leftie though :)

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Yeah the ads OK but if someone isn’t already motivated to get vaccinated then they’re probably incredibly stupid or narcissistic and I cannot see this changing their minds.

you realise there are people who may be hesitant rather than anti-vaxxers?

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

LOL, simplistic.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I’ll watch it later.

He is a rabid, liberal hating leftie though :)

And he is about 5% of the ad.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/coffs-harbour-covid-alert/100303808

Coffs Harbour is on alert after reports a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited a number of venues in the city.

Coffs Harbour MP Gurmesh Singh has posted on Facebook to say a Woolworths supermarket, Big W, and the Hoey Moey pub were visited by a COVID-positive person last week.

The Hoey Moey has closed and is undergoing deep cleaning after being notified that a person who has tested positive to COVID-19 visited the venue.

Harry Barry of the Hoey Moey said “At long last we have a chance to make an impact on this super sticky beer soaked carpet too.”

It’s getting closer to the anti vaccinationists.

?

Just from reading the words above, it seemed to me he had a pretty positive attitude.

(Can we still talk about a “positive attitude” though?)

I think it was a geographical reference, ie the virus is heading for anti-vaxer country. Not the person in the picture.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s getting closer to the anti vaccinationists.

?

Just from reading the words above, it seemed to me he had a pretty positive attitude.

(Can we still talk about a “positive attitude” though?)

I think it was a geographical reference, ie the virus is heading for anti-vaxer country. Not the person in the picture.

Ah, pretty obvious, now you point it out :)

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I’ll watch it later.

He is a rabid, liberal hating leftie though :)

And he is about 5% of the ad.

Is he a liberal-hating leftie, or a Liberal-hating leftie? I would have thought the two mutually exclusive (and a “liberal-hating leftie” an oxymoron.)

buffy said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I reckon it’s pretty good too. Perhaps better than pretty good really.

It may move a bit of motivation amongst the converted. It’ll do nothing to address the nutters, loonies, and deniers. That’s if they even see it. Not the sorta thing you’d find on a nutter’s Facebook feed.

Woodie said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

I reckon it’s pretty good too. Perhaps better than pretty good really.

It may move a bit of motivation amongst the converted. It’ll do nothing to address the nutters, loonies, and deniers. That’s if they even see it. Not the sorta thing you’d find on a nutter’s Facebook feed.

LOL, as if any type of ad campaign would do that anyway. Maybe this ad isn’t specifically targeting them?

btm said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ll watch it later.

He is a rabid, liberal hating leftie though :)

And he is about 5% of the ad.

Is he a liberal-hating leftie, or a Liberal-hating leftie? I would have thought the two mutually exclusive (and a “liberal-hating leftie” an oxymoron.)

Fair point.

I was thinking the big-ell version.

The Rev Dodgson said:

btm said:

buffy said:

And he is about 5% of the ad.

Is he a liberal-hating leftie, or a Liberal-hating leftie? I would have thought the two mutually exclusive (and a “liberal-hating leftie” an oxymoron.)

Fair point.

I was thinking the big-ell version.

An ell (from Proto-Germanic *alinō, cognate with Latin ulna) is a northwestern European unit of measurement, originally understood as a cubit (the combined length of the forearm and extended hand). The word literally means “arm”, and survives in form of the modern English word “elbow” (arm-bend). Later usage through the 19th century refers to several longer units, some of which are thought to derive from a “double ell”.

An ell-wand or ellwand was a rod of length one ell used for official measurement. Edward I of England required that every town have one. In Scotland, the Belt of Orion was called “the King’s Ellwand”. An iron ellwand is preserved in the entrance to Stånga Church on the Swedish island of Gotland, indicating the role that rural churches had in disseminating uniform measures.

Several national forms existed, with different lengths, including the Scottish ell (≈37 inches or 94 centimetres), the Flemish ell (≈27 in or 68.6 cm), the French ell (≈54 in or 137.2 cm), the Polish ell (≈31 in or 78.7 cm), the Danish alen (24 Danish inches or 2 Danish fod: 62.7708 cm), the Swedish aln (2 Swedish fot ≈59 cm) and the German ell of different lengths in Frankfurt (54.7 cm), Cologne, Leipzig (Saxony) or Hamburg.

Select customs were observed by English importers of Dutch textiles: although all cloths were bought by the Flemish ell, linen was sold by the English ell, but tapestry was sold by the Flemish ell.

The Viking ell was the measure from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger, about 18 inches (460 mm). The Viking or primitive ell was used in Iceland up to the 13th century. By the 13th century, a law set the “stika” as equal to 2 ells which was the English ell of the time.

Michael V said:

“Some of Australia’s leading performance artists have launched their own COVID vaccination advertisement
The social media campaign has been launched by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and features artists such as Tim Minchin, Rhonda Burchmore and performers from the Australian Ballet.

Minchin told ABC Radio Melbourne there’s been a lack of clear messaging to motivate people to get vaccinated.

“It’s hard because I’ve got long hair and I’m in the arts, it’s very easy for everyone to assume I’m a sort of rabid, liberal hating leftie. I’m actually a very data driven monster. I’m kind of shocked, even though I’ve never been a huge fan of this government, by how poor the communication is,” he said.

You can watch the ad below. What do you think of it?”

https://youtu.be/fDfug35d5fU

I reckon it’s pretty good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

TYMV.

:-)

sibeen said:

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

He’s just being an a*&^hole again.

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Yeah the ads OK but if someone isn’t already motivated to get vaccinated then they’re probably incredibly stupid or narcissistic and I cannot see this changing their minds.

you realise there are people who may be hesitant rather than anti-vaxxers?

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

Or, this farking website that I have to go through to get vaccinated has kicked me off 15 times already. Stuff it.

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

There will always be people sitting on the fence who will lean towards the side making the most noise. If this goes some way to countering the antivax noise, then it is doing its job.

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

He’s just being an a*&^hole again.

I don’t think it’s the world’s greatest ad – sue me.

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

Hmmm.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

I wonder whether they were all conspiracy hoaxers?

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

He’s just being an a*&^hole again.

I don’t think it’s the world’s greatest ad – sue me.

Don’t think we won’t

dv said:

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

He’s just being an a*&^hole again.

I don’t think it’s the world’s greatest ad – sue me.

Don’t think we won’t

Yes, you’ll be hearing from our solicitors in due course.

Better get a lawyer, son…

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

I don’t think it’s the world’s greatest ad – sue me.

Don’t think we won’t

Yes, you’ll be hearing from our solicitors in due course.

Better get a lawyer, son…

I’ve got a real good one, bloke called Dennis Denuto.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Well, that is pretty fucked up. I feel for the rest of the family.

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Don’t think we won’t

Yes, you’ll be hearing from our solicitors in due course.

Better get a lawyer, son…

I’ve got a real good one, bloke called Dennis Denuto.

LOL

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Why was she not in hospital?

Dark Orange said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Why was she not in hospital?

She may have had a condition, such as asthma, that can flare up suddenly.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/sa-imposes-covid-social-control-measures-but-no-lockdown/100305080

I can’t actually see a lot of difference between those restrictions and a lockdown.

Kevin Rudd’s Pfizer vaccines arrived today, a million of them.
Terrific work from Kev again.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/sa-imposes-covid-social-control-measures-but-no-lockdown/100305080

I can’t actually see a lot of difference between those restrictions and a lockdown.

finger’s on the trigger

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/sa-imposes-covid-social-control-measures-but-no-lockdown/100305080

I can’t actually see a lot of difference between those restrictions and a lockdown.

There’s no “You must stay at home except for these five reasons”. (Yet.)

Michael V said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/sa-imposes-covid-social-control-measures-but-no-lockdown/100305080

I can’t actually see a lot of difference between those restrictions and a lockdown.

There’s no “You must stay at home except for these five reasons”. (Yet.)

No, and no 5km limit on movement either. But if most shops are closed, there’s really no reason except for work to go out anyway.

Peak Warming Man said:

Kevin Rudd’s Pfizer vaccines arrived today, a million of them.
Terrific work from Kev again.

I know you are a great fan, So I’ll order you one, Mr Man. Kevin 07. A reminder of the longevity of his great providence and brilliance. :)

Wear it with pride. 😁😎

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

I just watched it again. Not only is it clear and concise but it is warm and friendly and inclusive. And I think some of the antivaxxers might understand it even though it might mean Woodford and the Byron Bluesfest to them.

sarahs mum said:

Rule 303 said:

sibeen said:

I don’t want to die – I’ll get vaccinated

or

I want to see the ballet – I’ll get vaccinated.

I communicates its message clearly and concisely, which puts it streets ahead of anything coming out of DHHS Vic or NSW.

I just watched it again. Not only is it clear and concise but it is warm and friendly and inclusive. And I think some of the antivaxxers might understand it even though it might mean Woodford and the Byron Bluesfest to them.

Hope so.

“South Australia has confirmed its third positive case today.

A man in his 50s is a close contact of an 81-year-old man and his daughter who both tested positive earlier on Monday.”

Lockdown is fast approaching SA, methinks…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

consider the damage done in calling something a cluster when it’s a dispersion event

transition said:

consider the damage done in calling something a cluster when it’s a dispersion event

“I’ve seen the needle and the damage done.
A little part of it in everyone.
Oh, oh, the damage done.”

Speaking of ads I just watched an ad on SBS where two blokes are watching a womans sport on a ipad or some such.
One bloke is saying “I could watch them bouncing around like that all day” and the other bloke says “That’s not on man, show some respect”

I’m with the first bloke, a perfectly normal and natural comment.
What do y’all think?

Michael V said:

“South Australia has confirmed its third positive case today.

A man in his 50s is a close contact of an 81-year-old man and his daughter who both tested positive earlier on Monday.”

Lockdown is fast approaching SA, methinks…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-news/100303554

It looks like there are advantages to living away from the city centre. I’m outside the ring of dots – just.
Still limited to food and medical outings and within 5k.

SCIENCE said:

why?

I mean. we care about India and Indonesia in some way. Why should Vietnam be of more concern than other countries?

Yes¡ Extend the opportunity for quarantine to spread infection to them for another 4 days¡

Maybe given the number of people who complete 14 days quarantine and test negative, then go into the community and test positive after day 16, isn’t it time to STOP FUCKING USING HOTELS IN THE MIDDLE OF CITIES to “quarantine” people, and build facilities that are fit for purpose¿

Oh wait, it is.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

why?

I mean. we care about India and Indonesia in some way. Why should Vietnam be of more concern than other countries?

call us biased but the impression we get is that they believe that Vietnam is an authoritarian communist state, so if they can’t impose adequately mandatory adequate restrictions, then nobody can

but maybe we’re reading it wrong and the implication is merely that here is a country that successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks, and somehow now is failing hard

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

why?

I mean. we care about India and Indonesia in some way. Why should Vietnam be of more concern than other countries?

… here is a country that successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks, and somehow now is failing hard

Are you referring to Australia or Vietnam?

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

why?

I mean. we care about India and Indonesia in some way. Why should Vietnam be of more concern than other countries?

… here is a country that successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks, and somehow now is failing hard

Are you referring to Australia or Vietnam?

you think Australia is failing hard

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

why?

I mean. we care about India and Indonesia in some way. Why should Vietnam be of more concern than other countries?

call us biased but the impression we get is that they believe that Vietnam is an authoritarian communist state, so if they can’t impose adequately mandatory adequate restrictions, then nobody can

but maybe we’re reading it wrong and the implication is merely that here is a country that successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks, and somehow now is failing hard

that doesn’t even begin to make sense.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

why?

I mean. we care about India and Indonesia in some way. Why should Vietnam be of more concern than other countries?

call us biased but the impression we get is that they believe that Vietnam is an authoritarian communist state, so if they can’t impose adequately mandatory adequate restrictions, then nobody can

but maybe we’re reading it wrong and the implication is merely that here is a country that successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks, and somehow now is failing hard

that doesn’t even begin to make sense.

so “call” is not a meaningful word in english

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

call us biased but the impression we get is that they believe that Vietnam is an authoritarian communist state, so if they can’t impose adequately mandatory adequate restrictions, then nobody can

but maybe we’re reading it wrong and the implication is merely that here is a country that successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks, and somehow now is failing hard

that doesn’t even begin to make sense.

so “call” is not a meaningful word in english

As we say here, it is not the words themselves, it is the order in which they are arranged.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

that doesn’t even begin to make sense.

so “call” is not a meaningful word in english

As we say here, it is not the words themselves, it is the order in which they are arranged.

ah but which of the following are not comprehensible

• someone believes that Vietnam is an authoritarian communist state
• Vietnam seems to have not imposed adequately mandatory adequate restrictions
• it’s difficult to control the virus
• Vietnam successfully smashed the earlier outbreaks
• the following looks like failing hard

Anyway another incomprehensible thought about the whole privilege-versus-western-Sydney thing, if the authorities had actually stuck to a science-driven, numbers-driven, data-driven approach, then all the argument about being “picked on” or “blaming” or “unfairly targeted” and so forth would have been so much easier to dismiss.

SCIENCE said:

Anyway another incomprehensible thought about the whole privilege-versus-western-Sydney thing, if the authorities had actually stuck to a science-driven, numbers-driven, data-driven approach, then all the argument about being “picked on” or “blaming” or “unfairly targeted” and so forth would have been so much easier to dismiss.

“If”.

Or should that be “If only”?

If ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyway another incomprehensible thought about the whole privilege-versus-western-Sydney thing, if the authorities had actually stuck to a science-driven, numbers-driven, data-driven approach, then all the argument about being “picked on” or “blaming” or “unfairly targeted” and so forth would have been so much easier to dismiss.

“If”.

Or should that be “If only”?

Both. But gold standard so hey, what the hell.

Sorry we’re just catching up on the day’s news.

Along similar branch, we’re still undecided on whether giving more or less insight into the decision parameters is useful, like this kind of thing out of VIC.

Victoria’s lockdown will be extended beyond Tuesday night after the state recorded more new local COVID cases, but Premier Daniel Andrews has not put a timeframe on when it lifts.

Like with their 2020 2nd-half lockdown they gave everyone quite specific target numbers (and seemingly hit them, too, which was kind of impressive). What about this time¿

Bogsnorkler said:

If ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

Long time since I heard that one.

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

If ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

Long time since I heard that one.

He’s very old.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

If ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

Long time since I heard that one.

He’s very old.

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Long time since I heard that one.

He’s very old.

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

He’s very old.

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

Probably a spy more likely.

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

He’s very old.

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

My grandad was a tinker.

One of his favourite sayings was ‘i tink i’ll have a beer’.

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

He’s very old.

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

and we could go back to the vicar of dibly with the alice tinker reference.

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

and we could go back to the vicar of dibly with the alice tinker reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPsSzLnXJkg

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

He’s very old.

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

My paternal grandfather was an illiterate tinker in Northern Ireland.

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

My grandad was a tinker.

One of his favourite sayings was ‘i tink i’ll have a beer’.

Shit…are we related?

:)

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Well, there weren’t tinkers around when you and I were children, so he must be older than us even.

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

My paternal grandfather was an illiterate tinker in Northern Ireland.

that’s where mine comes from. maybe we’re related?

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

My paternal grandfather was an illiterate tinker in Northern Ireland.

that’s where mine comes from. maybe we’re related?

I think that someone’s paternal grandfather would have some explaining to do…

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I think one of my rellies on Dad’s side was a tinker.

My paternal grandfather was an illiterate tinker in Northern Ireland.

that’s where mine comes from. maybe we’re related?

No doubt we are.

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

My paternal grandfather was an illiterate tinker in Northern Ireland.

that’s where mine comes from. maybe we’re related?

No doubt we are.

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

that’s where mine comes from. maybe we’re related?

No doubt we are.

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

No doubt we are.

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

This is why they drink.

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

No doubt we are.

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

Don’t be like that cuz.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

Don’t be like that cuz.

feels like western Sydney again

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

No doubt we are.

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

Well, I’m glad my great great great grandmother was from the other part of Ireland then. (Tralee) Can’t get a lot further away from Northern Ireland than that. Damned if I know how she hooked up with George from Somerset before they came here. And one of my great great grandmothers was from County Clare. So I won’t be related to your lot…

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I mean closer than just a common ancestor, like kissing cousins kinda close.

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

Well, I’m glad my great great great grandmother was from the other part of Ireland then. (Tralee) Can’t get a lot further away from Northern Ireland than that. Damned if I know how she hooked up with George from Somerset before they came here. And one of my great great grandmothers was from County Clare. So I won’t be related to your lot…

I’ve got shedloads of ancestors from down that way, just so you know :)

sibeen said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Let us not dwell on this matter any further.

Well, I’m glad my great great great grandmother was from the other part of Ireland then. (Tralee) Can’t get a lot further away from Northern Ireland than that. Damned if I know how she hooked up with George from Somerset before they came here. And one of my great great grandmothers was from County Clare. So I won’t be related to your lot…

I’ve got shedloads of ancestors from down that way, just so you know :)

Hope they couldn’t swim, half mine are Scottish. Probably a bit too close to Ireland for my liking…

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

Well, I’m glad my great great great grandmother was from the other part of Ireland then. (Tralee) Can’t get a lot further away from Northern Ireland than that. Damned if I know how she hooked up with George from Somerset before they came here. And one of my great great grandmothers was from County Clare. So I won’t be related to your lot…

I’ve got shedloads of ancestors from down that way, just so you know :)

Hope they couldn’t swim, half mine are Scottish. Probably a bit too close to Ireland for my liking…

Scots are just Irish who stole borrowed a boat.

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

I’ve got shedloads of ancestors from down that way, just so you know :)

Hope they couldn’t swim, half mine are Scottish. Probably a bit too close to Ireland for my liking…

Scots are just Irish who stole borrowed a boat.

:)

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

I’ve got shedloads of ancestors from down that way, just so you know :)

Hope they couldn’t swim, half mine are Scottish. Probably a bit too close to Ireland for my liking…

Scots are just Irish who stole borrowed a boat.

Fk, so we did…

“MacDonald, Macdonald, and McDonald are surnames of Scottish and Irish origin”

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

Hope they couldn’t swim, half mine are Scottish. Probably a bit too close to Ireland for my liking…

Scots are just Irish who stole borrowed a boat.

Fk, so we did…

“MacDonald, Macdonald, and McDonald are surnames of Scottish and Irish origin”

Jaysus, a great grandfather on the maternal side was a McDonald from the Isle of Skye. From the tales I’ve been told I would have hated him, and him me. A stern Kirk of Scotland; no drinking, no fun just praying bloke.

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

Scots are just Irish who stole borrowed a boat.

Fk, so we did…

“MacDonald, Macdonald, and McDonald are surnames of Scottish and Irish origin”

Jaysus, a great grandfather on the maternal side was a McDonald from the Isle of Skye. From the tales I’ve been told I would have hated him, and him me. A stern Kirk of Scotland; no drinking, no fun just praying bloke.

heh. my grandads favourite saying was ‘it’s a good idea to have a beer’.

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

Fk, so we did…

“MacDonald, Macdonald, and McDonald are surnames of Scottish and Irish origin”

Jaysus, a great grandfather on the maternal side was a McDonald from the Isle of Skye. From the tales I’ve been told I would have hated him, and him me. A stern Kirk of Scotland; no drinking, no fun just praying bloke.

heh. my grandads favourite saying was ‘it’s a good idea to have a beer’.

I suspect I would have liked your grandad :)

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

sibeen said:

Scots are just Irish who stole borrowed a boat.

Fk, so we did…

“MacDonald, Macdonald, and McDonald are surnames of Scottish and Irish origin”

Jaysus, a great grandfather on the maternal side was a McDonald from the Isle of Skye. From the tales I’ve been told I would have hated him, and him me. A stern Kirk of Scotland; no drinking, no fun just praying bloke.

better than being a slaver. I watched a thing on SBS last night and one of the lairds on skye sold a bunch of his people into slavery. That solved that problem. But the English didn’t like it much. They came to an agreement though that he would not be charged if he and his clan didn’t join in at Culloden.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Shit eh

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

New South Wales has recorded its fifth death from the COVID-19 Delta outbreak after a woman in her 50s was found dead inside her home in Green Valley Sydney’s south west.

The ABC understands the woman is a family member of the twin brother removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/nsw-records-98-covid-19-cases/100303752

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Shit eh

And each of the twins faces a $10k fine and six months imprisonment…

I wonder whether thy were all “hoaxers”?

Michael V said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Shit eh

And each of the twins faces a $10k fine and six months imprisonment…

I wonder whether thy were all “hoaxers”?

Ive got the feeling they feel punished already.

Michael V said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The ABC understands the woman is the mother of twin removalists charged with breaching public health orders after travelling from Sydney to the Central West.

Shit eh

And each of the twins faces a $10k fine and six months imprisonment…

I wonder whether thy were all “hoaxers”?

Christmas for this family is going to be pretty fucked up.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Shit eh

And each of the twins faces a $10k fine and six months imprisonment…

I wonder whether thy were all “hoaxers”?

Ive got the feeling they feel punished already.

For sure.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Shit eh

And each of the twins faces a $10k fine and six months imprisonment…

I wonder whether thy were all “hoaxers”?

Christmas for this family is going to be pretty fucked up.

Yeah.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/08/major-australian-aged-care-provider-reveals-just-15-of-staff-vaccinated-as-sector-demands-changes-to-rollout

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/20/aged-care-workers-keen-for-covid-jab-are-being-hampered-by-australias-messy-rollout

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/08/major-australian-aged-care-provider-reveals-just-15-of-staff-vaccinated-as-sector-demands-changes-to-rollout

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/20/aged-care-workers-keen-for-covid-jab-are-being-hampered-by-australias-messy-rollout

I don’t take much notice of the Guardian.

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Looks like she did the right things though.

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Looks like she did the right things though.

Yes and she’s fully vaccinated so chances are she wont be very infectious.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Looks like she did the right things though.

Yes and she’s fully vaccinated so chances are she wont be very infectious.

you mean évolution is a lie

seems that NSW having seeded every other state is now decreasing its incidence tests in preparation for a return to Situation Normal All Gloat Standard Gold Plated Standard Fucked Up id est have a go at everyone else for failing while they improve themselves

Poor Boris Johnson, all he wanted to do was to keep going to work, but here in Australia we happily let our privileged evade restrictions, dear glorious leader belongs here.

Another group of independent school students has been allowed to leave Greater Sydney’s lockdown, with 64 students from Redlands in Cremorne departing for the school’s Snowy Mountains campus at the weekend.

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Looks like she did the right things though.

Yes, it certainly appears so.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Looks like she did the right things though.

Yes and she’s fully vaccinated so chances are she wont be very infectious.

Hopefully.

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Thanks MV. Bloody Dicktorians.

Looks like she did the right things though.

Yes, it certainly appears so.

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Another COVID escape into Qld: Melbourne ——> Sunshine Coast ——> Mareeba ——> Atherton. Fully vaccinated person.

Take care, Tamb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Looks like she did the right things though.

Yes, it certainly appears so.

…except for the mandatory 14 day isolation in Victoria after attending a tier 1 exposure site, it would appear.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/experts-blast-local-research-into-covid-treatments-decry-lack-of-effort-to-understand-vaccine-take-up-20210719-p58aw0.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Greg Hunt says Australia is in a ‘vastly better place’ compared with Victorian second wave last year

“We have done this before, a year ago we went through the agony and ravages of the Victorian second wave, we are in a vastly better place this time, we have gone through vaccinations and the lessons learned from that period. And we can do it and will do it again.”

NSW’s handling of the outbreak says different.

Dark Orange said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Greg Hunt says Australia is in a ‘vastly better place’ compared with Victorian second wave last year

“We have done this before, a year ago we went through the agony and ravages of the Victorian second wave, we are in a vastly better place this time, we have gone through vaccinations and the lessons learned from that period. And we can do it and will do it again.”

He’s a funny man, that Greg Hunt.

Dark Orange said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Greg Hunt says Australia is in a ‘vastly better place’ compared with Victorian second wave last year

“We have done this before, a year ago we went through the agony and ravages of the Victorian second wave, we are in a vastly better place this time, we have gone through vaccinations and the lessons learned from that period. And we can do it and will do it again.”

NSW’s handling of the outbreak says different.

poikilotherm said:

Dark Orange said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Greg Hunt says Australia is in a ‘vastly better place’ compared with Victorian second wave last year

“We have done this before, a year ago we went through the agony and ravages of the Victorian second wave, we are in a vastly better place this time, we have gone through vaccinations and the lessons learned from that period. And we can do it and will do it again.”

NSW’s handling of the outbreak says different.

So, bouncing along there getting ready to really peak?

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Dark Orange said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/covid-blog-live-sydney-lockdown-victoria-financial-assistance/100305984

Greg Hunt says Australia is in a ‘vastly better place’ compared with Victorian second wave last year

“We have done this before, a year ago we went through the agony and ravages of the Victorian second wave, we are in a vastly better place this time, we have gone through vaccinations and the lessons learned from that period. And we can do it and will do it again.”

NSW’s handling of the outbreak says different.

So, bouncing along there getting ready to really peak?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/nsw-lockdown-needs-to-run-to-september-for-delta-cases-to-drop/100307698

Hah, what would they know?! They are Uni of Melbourne people!

;)

I wonder how some people think…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/man-escapes-hotel-quarantine-by-climbing-out-window/100308950

Michael V said:

I wonder how some people think…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/man-escapes-hotel-quarantine-by-climbing-out-window/100308950

them escapees from windowed hotels
BY GEORGE I’VE HAD ENOUGH!!

thumps table

Poik’s in lockdown for 7 days.

Bogsnorkler said:

LOL

Bogsnorkler said:

Australia says “No” to domestic violence.

Michael V said:

Poik’s in lockdown for 7 days.

I doubt it will affect a pharmacy much.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Poik’s in lockdown for 7 days.

I doubt it will affect a pharmacy much.

And it’s lockdown lite…shops to stay open. Even though you can only leave your home for essentials…

Michael V said:

I wonder how some people think…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/man-escapes-hotel-quarantine-by-climbing-out-window/100308950

Boredom drove him to madness.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Poik’s in lockdown for 7 days.

I doubt it will affect a pharmacy much.

And it’s lockdown lite…shops to stay open. Even though you can only leave your home for essentials…

He’s going to make a killing on toilet paper.

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

I wonder how some people think…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/man-escapes-hotel-quarantine-by-climbing-out-window/100308950

them escapees from windowed hotels
BY GEORGE I’VE HAD ENOUGH!!

thumps table

Boredom drove him to madness.

We’re not saying the bedsheets boy is blameless but you’d think that fit-for-purpose-built quarantine facilities would be able to prevent this kind of leakage as well.

Oh, hotels aren’t such facilities, wait.

We were unsuccessfully trying to find the quote of Greg saying the equivalent of we destroyed Iraq for the regime change so instead we’ll have to settle for a laugh at the kind of parity between communist states and corruption coalition states.

SA

Adelaide Premier Steven Marshall announced a state-wide 7-day lockdown today. “The declaration will trigger a number of things in terms of assistance to South Australia,” Senator Birmingham said. “Such as the provision of any additional equipment that is required as well as assistance with contact tracing where necessary. “It also triggers important income support for South Australians.” South Australians in the declared hotspot areas who lose between 8 and 20 hours of work will be eligible for $375, while people who lose more than 20 hours will be eligible for $600. People can apply for payments at the end of the lockdown as it’s paid in arrears. Senator Birmingham said people outside metro Adelaide, Gawler and Adelaide Hills who were still subject to restrictions would receive financial support from the SA government – as has been the case in other states like Victoria where restrictions have affected broader areas than defined in the hotspot declaration.

VIC

From Friday, Victorians impacted by the extended lockdown that was announced today can apply for up to $600 per week in federally funded disaster payments. Those eligible can claim online using the myGov portal. A maximum of $600 per week will be paid to individuals who have lost 20 hours or more of work. For those who have lost between 8 and 20 hours of work it’s $375 a week. The payment is recurring and will automatically be paid if the lockdown is extended. More information will be available at www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/covid-19-disaster-payment.

Here’s the answer and the important thing about all of this which has not been emphasised.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/how-uk-freedom-day-marks-end-of-covid-19-restrictions/100294668

The country’s nightclubs reopened for the first time in 17 months as almost all coronavirus rules were scrapped on July 19.(AP: Alberto Pezzali)

So when those fuckers keep telling us how terrible it is for Australians, how restricted we’ve been in our respective police states, how saving 150000 lives and 5% Economy Must Growth came at incredible cost to our personal liberties, and

ahahahahahahahaha

.

We laugh but it’s deadly serious.

oh actually this supposed expert is just an alarmist don’t mind any of it

SCIENCE said:

Here’s the answer and the important thing about all of this which has not been emphasised.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/how-uk-freedom-day-marks-end-of-covid-19-restrictions/100294668

The country’s nightclubs reopened for the first time in 17 months as almost all coronavirus rules were scrapped on July 19.(AP: Alberto Pezzali)

So when those fuckers keep telling us how terrible it is for Australians, how restricted we’ve been in our respective police states, how saving 150000 lives and 5% Economy Must Growth came at incredible cost to our personal liberties, and

ahahahahahahahaha

.

The Economy must stop growing the global warming.

These jokers think that AY.3 is going to outperform B.1.617.2 but you know how evolution is lies.

Disclaimer: we didn’t make the charts so don’t blame us for the keychange.

SCIENCE said:

We laugh but it’s deadly serious.

oh actually this supposed expert is just an alarmist don’t mind any of it

Sensible comments.

SCIENCE said:

These jokers think that AY.3 is going to outperform B.1.617.2 but you know how evolution is lies.

Disclaimer: we didn’t make the charts so don’t blame us for the keychange.

Ah. Delta-plus. Say no more.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

We laugh but it’s deadly serious.

oh actually this supposed expert is just an alarmist don’t mind any of it

Sensible comments.

If an absurdist makes sensible comments, does that mean he has failed?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

We laugh but it’s deadly serious.

oh actually this supposed expert is just an alarmist don’t mind any of it

Sensible comments.

If an absurdist makes sensible comments, does that mean he has failed?

Well there you go…

we don’t know the fella but this is his claimed credential set

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Poik’s in lockdown for 7 days.

I doubt it will affect a pharmacy much.

And it’s lockdown lite…shops to stay open. Even though you can only leave your home for essentials…

FML.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

I doubt it will affect a pharmacy much.

And it’s lockdown lite…shops to stay open. Even though you can only leave your home for essentials…

FML.

FML?

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

I doubt it will affect a pharmacy much.

And it’s lockdown lite…shops to stay open. Even though you can only leave your home for essentials…

FML.

Free Meals Ladies?

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

And it’s lockdown lite…shops to stay open. Even though you can only leave your home for essentials…

FML.

FML?

Showing my age, but you lot wouldn’t get the initialism anyway.

It’s fucked. TNDC was open early btw.

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

FML.

FML?

Showing my age, but you lot wouldn’t get the initialism anyway.

It’s fucked. TNDC was open early btw.

:) tndc.

Try me. FML?