Date: 25/07/2021 05:47:11
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1769969
Subject: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

The chain goes up before it goes down.

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Date: 25/07/2021 07:50:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1769974
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

Spiny Norman said:


The chain goes up before it goes down.

Wow. That’s a puzzler. Haven’t watched all of it, come back to it later.

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Date: 25/07/2021 08:02:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1769975
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

captain_spalding said:


Spiny Norman said:

The chain goes up before it goes down.

Wow. That’s a puzzler. Haven’t watched all of it, come back to it later.

It’s a bit long!

Watched the first three minutes or so.

The beads have an upward momentum as they pass the top of the jar, so continue upwards for a bit.

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Date: 25/07/2021 08:45:34
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1769984
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

Spiny Norman said:


The chain goes up before it goes down.

Electroboom also has a video on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2LEqTQT4E&ab_channel=ElectroBOOM

Sibeen will appreciate the 1:40 mark.

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Date: 25/07/2021 09:12:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1769989
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

The chain goes up before it goes down.

Wow. That’s a puzzler. Haven’t watched all of it, come back to it later.

It’s a bit long!

Watched the first three minutes or so.

The beads have an upward momentum as they pass the top of the jar, so continue upwards for a bit.

The question then is, why doesn’t a string behave the same way.

Presumably the division of the chain into short straight segments with joints with very little flexural stiffness has something to do with it.

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Date: 25/07/2021 09:14:28
From: Michael V
ID: 1769992
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

Interesting, thanks SN.

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Date: 25/07/2021 10:36:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 1770001
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Wow. That’s a puzzler. Haven’t watched all of it, come back to it later.

It’s a bit long!

Watched the first three minutes or so.

The beads have an upward momentum as they pass the top of the jar, so continue upwards for a bit.

The question then is, why doesn’t a string behave the same way.

Presumably the division of the chain into short straight segments with joints with very little flexural stiffness has something to do with it.


Yes. Each link contains an arc at each end.

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Date: 25/07/2021 10:36:56
From: sibeen
ID: 1770002
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

The chain goes up before it goes down.

Wow. That’s a puzzler. Haven’t watched all of it, come back to it later.

It’s a bit long!

Watched the first three minutes or so.

The beads have an upward momentum as they pass the top of the jar, so continue upwards for a bit.

That’s addressed in the video.

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Date: 25/07/2021 11:07:15
From: transition
ID: 1770015
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

playing with my crayons, was thinking about it like this

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Date: 25/07/2021 11:11:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1770017
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Wow. That’s a puzzler. Haven’t watched all of it, come back to it later.

It’s a bit long!

Watched the first three minutes or so.

The beads have an upward momentum as they pass the top of the jar, so continue upwards for a bit.

That’s addressed in the video.

And what is the conclusion of this address?

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Date: 25/07/2021 11:19:41
From: btm
ID: 1770018
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

Understanding the chain fountain, Biggins J. S. and Warner M. Proc. R. Soc. A. 470 20130689 http://doi.org/10.1098/rspa.2013.0689

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Date: 25/07/2021 11:33:24
From: dv
ID: 1770019
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

Very interesting.

I immediately thought that it might be due to a transitory magnetic effect. It’s probably not but it would be interesting to see an experiment with bon-metal beads arranged with a similar restricted ROC.

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Date: 25/07/2021 12:06:50
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1770035
Subject: re: The odd behaviour of falling chain.

interesting video.

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