Let’s start the new thread with Victoria’s report for today:

Victoria has recorded 11 new local COVID-19 cases, which are all linked to the current outbreak.

The Health Department says all of the cases were in quarantine throughout their entire infectious period.

One case was recorded in hotel quarantine.

More than 32,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

There are 179 active cases in the state.

Victoria’s lockdown is currently scheduled to end at 11:59pm on Tuesday but authorities have raised concerns yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne could jeopardise this.

REF: ABC news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/victoria-records-11-new-cases-of-locally-acquired-covid-19-cases/100321558

buffy said:

Let’s start the new thread with Victoria’s report for today:

Victoria has recorded 11 new local COVID-19 cases, which are all linked to the current outbreak.

The Health Department says all of the cases were in quarantine throughout their entire infectious period.

One case was recorded in hotel quarantine.

More than 32,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

There are 179 active cases in the state.

Victoria’s lockdown is currently scheduled to end at 11:59pm on Tuesday but authorities have raised concerns yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne could jeopardise this.

REF: ABC news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/victoria-records-11-new-cases-of-locally-acquired-covid-19-cases/100321558

Ironic, yes?

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Let’s start the new thread with Victoria’s report for today:

Victoria has recorded 11 new local COVID-19 cases, which are all linked to the current outbreak.

The Health Department says all of the cases were in quarantine throughout their entire infectious period.

One case was recorded in hotel quarantine.

More than 32,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

There are 179 active cases in the state.

Victoria’s lockdown is currently scheduled to end at 11:59pm on Tuesday but authorities have raised concerns yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne could jeopardise this.

REF: ABC news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/victoria-records-11-new-cases-of-locally-acquired-covid-19-cases/100321558

Ironic, yes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/sydney-anti-lockdown-rally-could-be-covid-19-superspreader-event/100321006

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Let’s start the new thread with Victoria’s report for today:

Victoria has recorded 11 new local COVID-19 cases, which are all linked to the current outbreak.

The Health Department says all of the cases were in quarantine throughout their entire infectious period.

One case was recorded in hotel quarantine.

More than 32,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

There are 179 active cases in the state.

Victoria’s lockdown is currently scheduled to end at 11:59pm on Tuesday but authorities have raised concerns yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne could jeopardise this.

REF: ABC news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/victoria-records-11-new-cases-of-locally-acquired-covid-19-cases/100321558

Ironic, yes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/sydney-anti-lockdown-rally-could-be-covid-19-superspreader-event/100321006

And from that piece:

“Two men, aged 33 and 36, from Surry Hills and Edensor Park, were charged overnight for allegedly striking police horses and were refused bail.”

buffy said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Ironic, yes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/sydney-anti-lockdown-rally-could-be-covid-19-superspreader-event/100321006

And from that piece:

“Two men, aged 33 and 36, from Surry Hills and Edensor Park, were charged overnight for allegedly striking police horses and were refused bail.”

Image from CCTV of one of them

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Let’s start the new thread with Victoria’s report for today:

Victoria has recorded 11 new local COVID-19 cases, which are all linked to the current outbreak.

The Health Department says all of the cases were in quarantine throughout their entire infectious period.

One case was recorded in hotel quarantine.

More than 32,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

There are 179 active cases in the state.

Victoria’s lockdown is currently scheduled to end at 11:59pm on Tuesday but authorities have raised concerns yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne could jeopardise this.

REF: ABC news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/victoria-records-11-new-cases-of-locally-acquired-covid-19-cases/100321558

Ironic, yes?

I blame Alan Bolt and Andrew Jones, and the like.

How far does the right to “free speech” Trump the duty to not instigate illegal and irresponsible behaviour?

buffy said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Ironic, yes?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/sydney-anti-lockdown-rally-could-be-covid-19-superspreader-event/100321006

And from that piece:

“Two men, aged 33 and 36, from Surry Hills and Edensor Park, were charged overnight for allegedly striking police horses and were refused bail.”

Good.

Some research is up on pre-print about how the Delta variant spreads. This is the Nature summary of it. There is a link to the actual paper in this article, but it’s very dense to read.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w

How the Delta variant achieves its ultrafast spread

Viral load is roughly 1,000 times higher in people infected with the Delta variant than those infected with the original coronavirus strain, according to a study in China.

buffy said:

Some research is up on pre-print about how the Delta variant spreads. This is the Nature summary of it. There is a link to the actual paper in this article, but it’s very dense to read.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w

How the Delta variant achieves its ultrafast spread

Viral load is roughly 1,000 times higher in people infected with the Delta variant than those infected with the original coronavirus strain, according to a study in China.

The new improved Covid thread.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Some research is up on pre-print about how the Delta variant spreads. This is the Nature summary of it. There is a link to the actual paper in this article, but it’s very dense to read.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w

How the Delta variant achieves its ultrafast spread

Viral load is roughly 1,000 times higher in people infected with the Delta variant than those infected with the original coronavirus strain, according to a study in China.

The new improved Covid thread.

new about 5 weeks ago, at least the 1000 bit

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Let’s start the new thread with Victoria’s report for today:

Victoria has recorded 11 new local COVID-19 cases, which are all linked to the current outbreak.

The Health Department says all of the cases were in quarantine throughout their entire infectious period.

One case was recorded in hotel quarantine.

More than 32,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

There are 179 active cases in the state.

Victoria’s lockdown is currently scheduled to end at 11:59pm on Tuesday but authorities have raised concerns yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne could jeopardise this.

REF: ABC news: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/victoria-records-11-new-cases-of-locally-acquired-covid-19-cases/100321558

Ironic, yes?

I blame Alan Bolt and Andrew Jones, and the like.

How far does the right to “free speech” Trump the duty to not instigate illegal and irresponsible behaviour?

I blame their boss.

https://theconversation.com/were-paying-companies-millions-to-roll-out-covid-vaccines-but-were-not-getting-enough-bang-for-our-buck-164550

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

Welp second jabs done.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Welp second jabs done.

Well done.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Welp second jabs done.

Fantastic!

Did you go to Homebush?

Speedy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Welp second jabs done.

Fantastic!

Did you go to Homebush?

Nope local clinic here in scumbletown

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Speedy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Welp second jabs done.

Fantastic!

Did you go to Homebush?

Nope local clinic here in scumbletown

At least that would have been more comfortable. It is cold and windy here already, and we’re not even in August yet. I have my 2nd Pfizer coming up this week, and if I need to queue up in that concrete jungle in Homebush again, I don’t know if I’ll survive it.

Speedy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Speedy said:

Fantastic!

Did you go to Homebush?

Nope local clinic here in scumbletown

At least that would have been more comfortable. It is cold and windy here already, and we’re not even in August yet. I have my 2nd Pfizer coming up this week, and if I need to queue up in that concrete jungle in Homebush again, I don’t know if I’ll survive it.

was in and out in 25 mins including the 15 wait time after you get the shot.

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

No idea. We had our notifications in < 8 hours. But we’re in QLD, so less load on the system.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Welp second jabs done.

Excellent!

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Welp second jabs done.

yep, noticed the new blip on my Gates-track-o-meter.

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

dv said:

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Speedy said:

dv said:

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Ya what

Speedy said:

dv said:

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Why did you attend the protest?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Speedy said:

dv said:

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Why did you attend the protest?

Was it a joke?

dv said:

Speedy said:

dv said:

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Ya what

Standing up for our RIIIIIIGTS! That’s what we were doing ;)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Speedy said:

dv said:

Kind of makes sense though, if you’re in a city with thousands of active Covid cases you’d have to be a daft cunt to attend these rallies anyway just from a personal health perspective

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Why did you attend the protest?

As if. I’d rather wear a “STUPID” sticker on my forehead. Less effort.

Speedy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Speedy said:

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Why did you attend the protest?

As if. I’d rather wear a “STUPID” sticker on my forehead. Less effort.

Well done.

Speedy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Speedy said:

Well, I wore a mask to the protest yesterday, and so did Speedy Jnr and Little Speedy.

We feel fine.

Why did you attend the protest?

As if. I’d rather wear a “STUPID” sticker on my forehead. Less effort.

Puts speedy back on chrissie card list.

;-)

Pretty impressive response to Crime Stoppers there in NSW:

_________________________________________________

There’s still plenty of community anger in response to yesterday’s lockdown protests.

Thousands of people marched through Sydney’s CBD, with 63 charged and 35 arrested for breaching public health orders.

Police say more arrests are likely after 5,500 people reported evidence from the protest to CrimeStoppers overnight.

______________________________________________________

From the ABC live updates

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/covid-live-updates-two-charged-police-horse-lockdown-protest/100321524

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Or the phone may not be receiving SMS messages. Can someone please anonymously send me an SMS message on 0404449990 (not my phone but the number I gave the Covid testers) to ensure that the phone doesn’t have SMS accidentally switched off.

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Or the phone may not be receiving SMS messages. Can someone please anonymously send me an SMS message on 0404449990 (not my phone but the number I gave the Covid testers) to ensure that the phone doesn’t have SMS accidentally switched off.

Sent

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Or the phone may not be receiving SMS messages. Can someone please anonymously send me an SMS message on 0404449990 (not my phone but the number I gave the Covid testers) to ensure that the phone doesn’t have SMS accidentally switched off.

Sent

Ta. Not received. No text messages received since May. So the problem is at my end.

mollwollfumble said:

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Or the phone may not be receiving SMS messages. Can someone please anonymously send me an SMS message on 0404449990 (not my phone but the number I gave the Covid testers) to ensure that the phone doesn’t have SMS accidentally switched off.

Sent

Ta. Not received. No text messages received since May. So the problem is at my end.

Restart the phone moll

mollwollfumble said:

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Or the phone may not be receiving SMS messages. Can someone please anonymously send me an SMS message on 0404449990 (not my phone but the number I gave the Covid testers) to ensure that the phone doesn’t have SMS accidentally switched off.

Sent

Ta. Not received. No text messages received since May. So the problem is at my end.

Whose number did you give them?

buffy said:

Pretty impressive response to Crime Stoppers there in NSW:

_________________________________________________

There’s still plenty of community anger in response to yesterday’s lockdown protests.

Thousands of people marched through Sydney’s CBD, with 63 charged and 35 arrested for breaching public health orders.

Police say more arrests are likely after 5,500 people reported evidence from the protest to CrimeStoppers overnight.

______________________________________________________

From the ABC live updates

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/covid-live-updates-two-charged-police-horse-lockdown-protest/100321524

those amateurs making their own TV news, creating the news, I can’t imagine what inspired them

transition said:

buffy said:

Pretty impressive response to Crime Stoppers there in NSW:

_________________________________________________

There’s still plenty of community anger in response to yesterday’s lockdown protests.

Thousands of people marched through Sydney’s CBD, with 63 charged and 35 arrested for breaching public health orders.

Police say more arrests are likely after 5,500 people reported evidence from the protest to CrimeStoppers overnight.

______________________________________________________

From the ABC live updates

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/covid-live-updates-two-charged-police-horse-lockdown-protest/100321524

those amateurs making their own TV news, creating the news, I can’t imagine what inspired them

The Internet, probably.

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

sibeen said:

Sent

Ta. Not received. No text messages received since May. So the problem is at my end.

Restart the phone moll

What do you mean by “restart”?

OK, will try. But in the meantime have eliminated a few things.
Not due to flat battery
Not due to lack of internet connections. Internet web and email behaving correctly.
Not due to Covid-safe app being out of date.
Not due to out of money with ISP

mollwollfumble said:

What do you mean by “restart”?

turn it off then turn it on again.

Bogsnorkler said:

mollwollfumble said:

What do you mean by “restart”?

turn it off then turn it on again.

Whoa, whoa, slow down there, poindexter.

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ta. Not received. No text messages received since May. So the problem is at my end.

Restart the phone moll

What do you mean by “restart”?

OK, will try. But in the meantime have eliminated a few things.
Not due to flat battery
Not due to lack of internet connections. Internet web and email behaving correctly.
Not due to Covid-safe app being out of date.
Not due to out of money with ISP

When was the last time you used this phone for a call?

The only thing I can think of is that you have been using all those listed services via a WiFi connection, not via the network.

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Got tested Friday. No notificaion yet. So much for “we will notify you within 12 hours”.

Does that mean I’m safe?

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Probably.

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

No. You should have been given a phone number to call if you haven’t received your results when expected.

I should have? I certainly wasn’t.

Still no SMS notification after 57 hours. They said they couldn’t notify me any other way.
So I could be one of the active cases without knowing it?

Probably.

They have his medicare card so I’d assume they use that to find a way to notify Moll if he were positive.

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

Restart the phone moll

What do you mean by “restart”?

OK, will try. But in the meantime have eliminated a few things.
Not due to flat battery
Not due to lack of internet connections. Internet web and email behaving correctly.
Not due to Covid-safe app being out of date.
Not due to out of money with ISP

When was the last time you used this phone for a call?

The only thing I can think of is that you have been using all those listed services via a WiFi connection, not via the network.

I tried taking the SIM card out and putting it back in again and it worked!
It’s a devil to dismantle the phone to get to the SIM card. I also really forced the SIM card back in as hard as I could.

Found 4 new voicemail messages and 4 new text messages, including one saying that Covid was not detected. :-)

No new text message from forumite. But that’s OK. The electrons travel more slowly around here.

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

What do you mean by “restart”?

OK, will try. But in the meantime have eliminated a few things.
Not due to flat battery
Not due to lack of internet connections. Internet web and email behaving correctly.
Not due to Covid-safe app being out of date.
Not due to out of money with ISP

When was the last time you used this phone for a call?

The only thing I can think of is that you have been using all those listed services via a WiFi connection, not via the network.

I tried taking the SIM card out and putting it back in again and it worked!
It’s a devil to dismantle the phone to get to the SIM card. I also really forced the SIM card back in as hard as I could.

Found 4 new voicemail messages and 4 new text messages, including one saying that Covid was not detected. :-)

No new text message from forumite. But that’s OK. The electrons travel more slowly around here.

Oh, do they?

mollwollfumble said:

Speedy said:

mollwollfumble said:

What do you mean by “restart”?

OK, will try. But in the meantime have eliminated a few things.
Not due to flat battery
Not due to lack of internet connections. Internet web and email behaving correctly.
Not due to Covid-safe app being out of date.
Not due to out of money with ISP

When was the last time you used this phone for a call?

The only thing I can think of is that you have been using all those listed services via a WiFi connection, not via the network.

I tried taking the SIM card out and putting it back in again and it worked!
It’s a devil to dismantle the phone to get to the SIM card. I also really forced the SIM card back in as hard as I could.

Found 4 new voicemail messages and 4 new text messages, including one saying that Covid was not detected. :-)

No new text message from forumite. But that’s OK. The electrons travel more slowly around here.

As Wallace says, all’s well that ends well :)

not our work

SCIENCE said:

not our work

Nice one. A lot of information summarised in that.

Go hard, go fast.

Is there one for NSW?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/adriana-is-not-a-number-sydney-accounting-student-38-the-latest-nsw-coronavirus-death-20210725-p58csi.html

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/adriana-is-not-a-number-sydney-accounting-student-38-the-latest-nsw-coronavirus-death-20210725-p58csi.html

? no pre-existing conditions ¿

Surely having XX karyotype and increased melanin compared to majority are pre-existing conditions…

ABC News:

‘NSW records 145 new COVID-19 cases, 51 in community while infectious

By Ursula Malone
NSW records 145 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.’

..and the lesson is that, when the lobby groups tell you that a quick and complete lockdown is not the way to go, you tell them to GAGF.

Got that, GLadys?

Commissioner Fuller: protesters will be arrested

“We have received 10,000 Crime Stoppers reports since Saturday in terms of criminal behaviour and breaches of the health order at the protest which is an amazing outcry by the community.”

That’s even more, a lot more, than was reported yesterday.

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/covid-live-updates-nsw-lockdown-vic-cases-vaccine-death/100322554

buffy said:

Commissioner Fuller: protesters will be arrested

“We have received 10,000 Crime Stoppers reports since Saturday in terms of criminal behaviour and breaches of the health order at the protest which is an amazing outcry by the community.”

That’s even more, a lot more, than was reported yesterday.

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/covid-live-updates-nsw-lockdown-vic-cases-vaccine-death/100322554

Presumably the great majority of those identified will just be issued with fines.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Commissioner Fuller: protesters will be arrested

“We have received 10,000 Crime Stoppers reports since Saturday in terms of criminal behaviour and breaches of the health order at the protest which is an amazing outcry by the community.”

That’s even more, a lot more, than was reported yesterday.

From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/covid-live-updates-nsw-lockdown-vic-cases-vaccine-death/100322554

Presumably the great majority of those identified will just be issued with fines.

better than nothing right

better for The Economy Must Grow right

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘NSW records 145 new COVID-19 cases, 51 in community while infectious

By Ursula Malone
NSW records 145 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.’

..and the lesson is that, when the lobby groups tell you that a quick and complete lockdown is not the way to go, you tell them to GAGF.

Got that, GLadys?

but what’s the problem

surely the fattening of the curve is a success in its own right, surely this is Living With The Virus all worked out just fine

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘NSW records 145 new COVID-19 cases, 51 in community while infectious

By Ursula Malone
NSW records 145 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.’

..and the lesson is that, when the lobby groups tell you that a quick and complete lockdown is not the way to go, you tell them to GAGF.

Got that, GLadys?

but what’s the problem

surely the fattening of the curve is a success in its own right, surely this is Living With The Virus all worked out just fine

51 were in the community for all their infectious period
25 were out in the community for part of their infectious period
And the status is being investigated for 11 other new cases

So could conceivably be 87, not 51.

Bloody spin.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘NSW records 145 new COVID-19 cases, 51 in community while infectious

By Ursula Malone
NSW records 145 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.’

..and the lesson is that, when the lobby groups tell you that a quick and complete lockdown is not the way to go, you tell them to GAGF.

Got that, GLadys?

but what’s the problem

surely the fattening of the curve is a success in its own right, surely this is Living With The Virus all worked out just fine

51 were in the community for all their infectious period
25 were out in the community for part of their infectious period
And the status is being investigated for 11 other new cases

So could conceivably be 87, not 51.

Bloody spin.

Yeah, but out of that 11 it will be found that 2 were not out in the community for any of their infectious period, so it’s all good.

ABC News:

‘Sydney family fined for going skiing at Thredbo as police ramp up snow patrol
ABC South East NSW

By Keira Proust and Adriane Reardon
The lure of the Snowies proved irresistible to the family, who were promptly fined $2,000 and sent back to Blacktown.’

Nothing to do with COVID.

Just don’t like westies at Thredbo.

We’ve repeatedly heard the number of COVID-19 cases who were out in the community while infectious is a key factor in determining restrictions in Greater Sydney. Here’s how it tracked in the past few days:

• Today: 145 new local cases — 51 out in their entire infectious period, 25 for part of their infectious period
• Yesterday: 141 new local cases — 38 out in their entire infectious period, 24 for part of their infectious period
• Saturday: 163 local cases — 45 out in their entire infectious period, 26 for part of their infectious period
• Friday: 136 new local cases — 53 out in their entire infectious period, 17 for part of their infectious period
• Thursday: 125 new local cases — 48 out in their entire infectious period, 22 for part of their infectious period

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/covid-live-updates-nsw-lockdown-vic-cases-vaccine-death/100322554

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney family fined for going skiing at Thredbo as police ramp up snow patrol
ABC South East NSW

By Keira Proust and Adriane Reardon
The lure of the Snowies proved irresistible to the family, who were promptly fined $2,000 and sent back to Blacktown.’

Nothing to do with COVID.

Just don’t like westies at Thredbo.

Why do people do this stuff?

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney family fined for going skiing at Thredbo as police ramp up snow patrol
ABC South East NSW

By Keira Proust and Adriane Reardon
The lure of the Snowies proved irresistible to the family, who were promptly fined $2,000 and sent back to Blacktown.’

Nothing to do with COVID.

Just don’t like westies at Thredbo.

harsh

Speedy said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

but what’s the problem

surely the fattening of the curve is a success in its own right, surely this is Living With The Virus all worked out just fine

51 were in the community for all their infectious period
25 were out in the community for part of their infectious period
And the status is being investigated for 11 other new cases

So could conceivably be 87, not 51.

Bloody spin.

Yeah, but out of that 11 it will be found that 2 were not out in the community for any of their infectious period, so it’s all good.

^

^^

ah but here’s 1 question or 2 for you all

if the cases were actually known to be in isolation, would the government have anything to gain by reporting that they were still being investigated

if the cases were actually in isolation, would they really need a prolonged or difficult investigation that remained open by the time of the update

…

NSW is adding about 900 new cases a week

Number of people in ICU with Covid in NSW is higher than it has ever been previously

dv said:

Number of people in ICU with Covid in NSW is higher than it has ever been previously

They’re just weak.

arkansas has the third lowest vac rate in the USA. 36%. they can’t even get people to sign up by offering free lottery tickets.

Nurse reveals how she pranks Covid deniers who call her a crisis actor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg1-MWAjqPU

sarahs mum said:

arkansas has the third lowest vac rate in the USA. 36%. they can’t even get people to sign up by offering free lottery tickets.

I was thinking a direct lottery. Get a vaccine, get a ticket. Every week or month there is a prize drawn. Guaranteed winner each draw.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

arkansas has the third lowest vac rate in the USA. 36%. they can’t even get people to sign up by offering free lottery tickets.

I was thinking a direct lottery. Get a vaccine, get a ticket. Every week or month there is a prize drawn. Guaranteed winner each draw.

Prize only awarded to live recipient.

Guardian Australia
42 mins ·
“This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” – Dr Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After a significant drop in Covid-19 cases because of the national vaccine campaign, infections are rising in all 50 US states and Washington DC. The increases are highest in states with large groups of unvaccinated people. More than 610,000 have died from Covid-19 in the US.

At a White House briefing on Thursday the surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, said 97% of hospital admissions and 99.5% of Covid deaths were occurring among unvaccinated people.

More than 162.7 million Americans are vaccinated – or 49% of the population, according to the CDC.

sarahs mum said:

Guardian Australia
42 mins ·
“This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” – Dr Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After a significant drop in Covid-19 cases because of the national vaccine campaign, infections are rising in all 50 US states and Washington DC. The increases are highest in states with large groups of unvaccinated people. More than 610,000 have died from Covid-19 in the US.

At a White House briefing on Thursday the surgeon general, Vivek Murthy, said 97% of hospital admissions and 99.5% of Covid deaths were occurring among unvaccinated people.

More than 162.7 million Americans are vaccinated – or 49% of the population, according to the CDC.

we caution about dismissing the new outbreaks as mere pandemics of unvaccinated

Commissioner Fuller said police had no legal recourse to prevent a second gathering but would be prepared to respond in force.

“There are no organisers that we can take to the Supreme Court to stop the protests happening, which means they’re a bunch of anarchists,” he said.

“In terms of the police response, it will be significant, on Saturday if it is planned to go ahead.”

SCIENCE said:

Commissioner Fuller said police had no legal recourse to prevent a second gathering but would be prepared to respond in force.

“There are no organisers that we can take to the Supreme Court to stop the protests happening, which means they’re a bunch of anarchists,” he said.

“In terms of the police response, it will be significant, on Saturday if it is planned to go ahead.”

Suburban anarchy creating more Lockdowns and Covid for everyone else…

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Commissioner Fuller said police had no legal recourse to prevent a second gathering but would be prepared to respond in force.

“There are no organisers that we can take to the Supreme Court to stop the protests happening, which means they’re a bunch of anarchists,” he said.

“In terms of the police response, it will be significant, on Saturday if it is planned to go ahead.”

Suburban anarchy creating more Lockdowns and Covid for everyone else…

Spread anarchy who cares about spreading Covid?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Commissioner Fuller said police had no legal recourse to prevent a second gathering but would be prepared to respond in force.

“There are no organisers that we can take to the Supreme Court to stop the protests happening, which means they’re a bunch of anarchists,” he said.

“In terms of the police response, it will be significant, on Saturday if it is planned to go ahead.”

Suburban anarchy creating more Lockdowns and Covid for everyone else…

Spread anarchy who cares about spreading Covid?

Unfortunately there’s no reasoning with these idiots.

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Suburban anarchy creating more Lockdowns and Covid for everyone else…

Spread anarchy who cares about spreading Covid?

Unfortunately there’s no reasoning with these idiots.

Sovereign citizens need a good Sovereign kick up the backside.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Spread anarchy who cares about spreading Covid?

Unfortunately there’s no reasoning with these idiots.

Sovereign citizens need a good Sovereign kick up the backside.

Well this is the thing. I’ve come to the conclusion you can’t have a society based upon personal liberty moderated only by personal responsibility. Because people are such fuckwits. You need authoritarianism and punishment to some extent to keep the fuckwits in line. Often these fuckwits are the very same people who most ardently promote the ideal but don’t live up to it/

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Unfortunately there’s no reasoning with these idiots.

Sovereign citizens need a good Sovereign kick up the backside.

Well this is the thing. I’ve come to the conclusion you can’t have a society based upon personal liberty moderated only by personal responsibility. Because people are such fuckwits. You need authoritarianism and punishment to some extent to keep the fuckwits in line. Often these fuckwits are the very same people who most ardently promote the ideal but don’t live up to it/

But we do lve in a society where everyone can view crazy conspiracy theory networks that seek to bring down governments but you can’t show your tits.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Commissioner Fuller said police had no legal recourse to prevent a second gathering but would be prepared to respond in force.

“There are no organisers that we can take to the Supreme Court to stop the protests happening, which means they’re a bunch of anarchists,” he said.

“In terms of the police response, it will be significant, on Saturday if it is planned to go ahead.”

Suburban anarchy creating more Lockdowns and Covid for everyone else…

i’d expect there are respectable forms of anarchism, (of philosophy, and politics related, including social movements), to some extent the self-organizing principles and characteristics of our own culture have some foundation in such ideas, even principles like (government’s) subsidiary function, views related (minimum government intervention for example)

but in this instance I don’t mind it being used as a swearword, the government’s there to protect the largely free operating space people enjoy, under threat from the worst pandemic probably ever, from the perspective of the number of people involved, and contagiousness of the new coronavirus

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

Unfortunately.

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

Oh, I can give you the “rationale” for the Vitamin D thing. You natural Vit D levels are higher in Summer, there are less colds and flu around in Summer, therefore Vit D is the reason…

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

Oh, I can give you the “rationale” for the Vitamin D thing. You natural Vit D levels are higher in Summer, there are less colds and flu around in Summer, therefore Vit D is the reason…

And I suppose the Vit C thing is the old megadoses of Vit C for colds thing.

New applications for old ideas…

can’t laugh, can’t cry

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/mark-mcgowan-slams-extra-pfizer-for-nsw/100323476

WA Premier Mark McGowan has questioned an extra 50,000 Pfizer doses being supplied to New South Wales, saying if there are any spares they should be given to all states.

The federal government offered New South Wales the extra doses after National Cabinet rejected the NSW government’s request for other states to hand over some vaccines.

“We don’t know what this national stockpile is, that’s news to us,” Mr McGowan told reporters on Monday morning.

“If there is a big warehouse sitting there full of Pfizer, my view is they should give it to the states and we’ll put it in people’s arms.

In a statement, a Health Department spokesman said the Commonwealth did not have a stockpile of Pfizer vaccines.

Mr McGowan said those who took to the streets of Sydney in protest against the lockdown were “idiots” who should be dealth with [sic em] forcefully.(ABC News: Tim Swanston)

—

perhaps he meant death wish

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

drink it freddie.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

drink it freddie.

Thats OTT stoopid.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

drink it freddie.

Yeah, Freddie. Drink the Kool-Aid, Feddie.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Chatting with the older sister today. She heard an interview with the old lady in charge of the very small Hobart anti-lockdown demo (given that Tasmania hasn’t been in lockdown since early last year, you wonder why anyone turned up at all).

Anyway this person assured the interviewer that Covid is a hoax, AND that it can be cured with a simple dose of Vitamin D and C.

Sadly there’s no cure for shit-for-brains.

drink it freddie.

Yeah, Freddie. Drink the Kool-Aid, Feddie.

It was chocolate quik. Milk was the big white vitamin pill and quik made it so that kiddies would drink it.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

drink it freddie.

Yeah, Freddie. Drink the Kool-Aid, Feddie.

It was chocolate quik. Milk was the big white vitamin pill and quik made it so that kiddies would drink it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBwMMVVxKfI

Witty Rejoinder said:

like :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

isn’t the herd immunity the odd one out?

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

isn’t the herd immunity the odd one out?

I assume the sheep is hoping to be a lone survivor once the wolf has had its fill.

quote=Witty Rejoinder

/quote

That’s four good responses.

Witty Rejoinder said:

not bad.

Witty Rejoinder said:

LOLOLOL

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah.

:(

Their Mistake: Getting Caught Not Being From A Rich And Privileged Private School

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/covid-19-breaches-attract-fines-across-south-east-nsw/100322830

Greater Sydney family fined for ditching lockdown to go skiing as police ramp up snow season patrols

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-15/sydney-private-school-defends-fleeing-lockdown/100296690
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/redlands-students-escape-lockdown-for-snowy-mountains-ski-school-20210719-p58az1.html

(apologies for having posted some of this previously)

Poor Boris Johnson, all he wanted to do was to keep going to work, but here in Australia we happily let our privileged evade restrictions, dear glorious leader belongs here.

Another group of independent school students has been allowed to leave Greater Sydney’s lockdown, with 64 students from Redlands in Cremorne departing for the school’s Snowy Mountains campus at the weekend.

Well well well apparently Freedom Is Looking Good so it’s time to Let It Rip For The Economy Must Grow Gladys ¡

UK

GALOT alarmist catastrophism

https://mg.co.za/opinion/2021-02-04-richard-calland-fascism-is-the-post-pandemic-threat/

And then, if Yale professor and social epidemiologist Dr Nicholas Christakis is right, there may even be rebound boom time as people flock to pubs, clubs, festivals, theatres, restaurants, museums, and airports, boosting not just the entertainment, hospitality, tourism and arts industries — significant though they are — but the whole economy as people pump their expendable income into a post-pandemic release valve. As Christakis points out, this is precisely what happened after the Spanish flu and led to the “roaring 1920s”. Well, here we may well go again. The problem is that the 1920s were followed by the 1930s and the rise of fascism.

Success¡ Time For Payback On CHINA For What They Did To Everyone Else

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/covid-19-china-nanjing-thailand-record-cases-delta/100325330

China undertakes mass testing in Nanjing as COVID surges

Nanjing, which started a second round of mass testing and banned taxis from leaving to curb the outbreak. China has taken a zero-tolerance approach to COVID infections, quickly testing swathes of its population and contact-tracing any positive cases to prevent the spread of the virus. Thirty-eight of the 40 new local cases were reported in Nanjing, the capital of the eastern province of Jiangsu.

Oh wait here’s a country much more like Australia, it’s going to go well¡

Thailand on Monday reported 15,376 coronavirus cases, a record number for a second consecutive day, amid public criticism over the pace of the country’s vaccination rollout. Thailand aims to inoculate 50 million people by the end of the year, but so far only 5.6 per cent of its more than 66 million population are fully inoculated. The country’s vaccine strategy has relied heavily on locally produced doses of AstraZeneca vaccine by Thai company Siam Bioscience, but deliveries have faced delays.

Last week, faced with surging infections, Thailand imposed tighter lockdown measures in the capital city of Bangkok, and 12 high-risk provinces, suspending most domestic fights and expanding the curfew area. The Southeast Asian nation has recorded a cumulative total of 512,678 infections, and 4,146 fatalities.

c’m‘on Marketing and Gutful, those ASIANS have 10 times* as much good stuff as we do, better Let It Rip and catch up

*: oh all right, 15.5 times as much

—

anyway here have some good news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/covid-19-bhutan-vaccinates-much-of-population/100325350

Bhutan has inoculated most of its eligible population with second doses of COVID-19 vaccinations in just a week, in a speedy rollout hailed by UNICEF on Monday as a “success story” for international donations.

More than 454,000 shots were administered over the past week — which equates to just over 85 per cent of the eligible adult population of more than 530,000 people — after a recent flood of foreign donations.

The nation also has a long-standing policy of limiting visitor numbers to avoid spoiling its natural beauty and has closed its border to any tourism due to the pandemic, according to Australia’s Smartraveller website.

damn those protectionist xenophobic fascists

They have them for cruise ships so why not a special Olympic one, something else to watch with interest.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

some surprises and spin from your ABC today

Victorian government likely to opt for conservative

It will be a conservative

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/victorian-government-conservative-easing-lockdown/100323812

NSW government weighing up future

Ms Berejiklian is weighing up what life will look like beyond July 31, but has declared “our mission is to allow our citizens to live as safely and freely as possible.” However, she was adamant health advice would be the over-riding factor in any decision moving forward, saying she was “putting people ahead of our budget and people ahead of our economy”.

At least the doctor isn’t dealing in false dichotomies, possibly remembering that infection control is safely is freely is budget is Economy Must Grow.

“We need a very, very tight lockdown to get those numbers down,” chief health officer Kerry Chant said yesterday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/nsw-government-considers-future-of-sydney-covid-lockdown/100324550

Turns Out What We(1,1,1)’ve All Been Saying About Hesitancy Has Been True

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/nsw-why-arent-people-in-their-60s-getting-covid-19-vaccine/100325058

Hesitancy may only be one reason behind the low COVID-19 vaccine uptake among over 60s and experts warn the issue should not be oversimplified. According to Commonwealth data, roughly only 15 per cent of over 60s have been fully vaccinated.

But one expert in communication about infectious diseases said the low uptake doesn’t necessarily mean people are reluctant. “Access issues should not be underestimated,” said Claire Hooker from the University of Sydney’s health faculty. Social scientist Julie Leask from the University of Sydney recently wrote hesitancy was a “tempting explanation” when it came to low vaccine rates but barriers like supply and distribution, confusion, or being able to find time off work could not be ignored.

but oh wait some doctors are better than you and changing risk profiles suddenly make over-60s irrational

Australian Medical Association vice-president Chris Moy said there was a lot evidence that the more people who get vaccinated, the quicker an outbreak can be controlled. “There has been this sort of irrational snobbery against AstraZeneca,” he said. “It feels like the captain on a plane has said ‘the plane is about to crash into the sea’ and people are worried about which brand of life vest they are goin­­g to put on.” Those over 60 have a much higher risk of dying from COVID-19 and a much lower risk of blood clotting from AstraZeneca. In a “medium” danger outbreak, the federal health department estimates for every 100,000 people in their 60s who have AstraZeneca, 1.4 may develop a blood clot and 3.0 deaths could be prevented.

clearly 3.0 is “much higher” than the “much lower” risk of 1.4, just like how clearly NSW / Corruption Coalition deliberately made this happen to “encourage” their population to get shot

imagine what they’d all be saying if it had turned out that all we had access to was Sinovac how do you think that would be going

>…….close to zero before restrictions could be eased…”

~0, think about that, approximately zero

transition said:

>…….close to zero before restrictions could be eased…”

~0, think about that, approximately zero

Equals One Over Nearly Infinity

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

>…….close to zero before restrictions could be eased…”

~0, think about that, approximately zero

Equals One Over Nearly Infinity

Just 1/(a big number), that’s all.

Victoria has recorded 10 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19, all of which were in quarantine throughout their infectious period.

Queensland has recorded no new locally acquired cases overnight as genome sequencing confirms yesterday’s case in a returned traveller was contracted while in hotel quarantine.

—

Meanwhile in Gold Standard Country…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/blacktown-apartment-block-under-police-guard-over-covid/100325594

Blacktown apartment block under police guard after six residents test positive to COVID-19

that’s why it’s called Blockdown we suppose

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

>…….close to zero before restrictions could be eased…”

~0, think about that, approximately zero

Equals One Over Nearly Infinity

Just 1/(a big number), that’s all.

seems an odd time to relax precision though, say the objective was zero, and you settle for nearly zero, not-zero-something-else, more-than-zero

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Equals One Over Nearly Infinity

Just 1/(a big number), that’s all.

seems an odd time to relax precision though, say the objective was zero, and you settle for nearly zero, not-zero-something-else, more-than-zero

Nothing odd about it at all, and who says precision is being “relaxed”?

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just 1/(a big number), that’s all.

seems an odd time to relax precision though, say the objective was zero, and you settle for nearly zero, not-zero-something-else, more-than-zero

Nothing odd about it at all, and who says precision is being “relaxed”?

breathe some life into it, see things from the perspective of zero, if you were zero, don’t be a heartless alienator of true zero, its essence

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

seems an odd time to relax precision though, say the objective was zero, and you settle for nearly zero, not-zero-something-else, more-than-zero

Nothing odd about it at all, and who says precision is being “relaxed”?

breathe some life into it, see things from the perspective of zero, if you were zero, don’t be a heartless alienator of true zero, its essence

I’m not alienating anything.

It is you, dear sir, who is dismissing the practical zero, as if having a value of practically zero had practically zero value.

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

seems an odd time to relax precision though, say the objective was zero, and you settle for nearly zero, not-zero-something-else, more-than-zero

Nothing odd about it at all, and who says precision is being “relaxed”?

breathe some life into it, see things from the perspective of zero, if you were zero, don’t be a heartless alienator of true zero, its essence

Possibly they mean “Zero or as close as possible to zero”

Tamb said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nothing odd about it at all, and who says precision is being “relaxed”?

breathe some life into it, see things from the perspective of zero, if you were zero, don’t be a heartless alienator of true zero, its essence

Possibly they mean “Zero or as close as possible to zero”

that they do, but they are entirely different things, or probably need be seen as as entirely different things to (then) understand the proposition

i’ll call this the philosophy of zero

SCIENCE said:

GALOT alarmist catastrophism

https://mg.co.za/opinion/2021-02-04-richard-calland-fascism-is-the-post-pandemic-threat/

And then, if Yale professor and social epidemiologist Dr Nicholas Christakis is right, there may even be rebound boom time as people flock to pubs, clubs, festivals, theatres, restaurants, museums, and airports, boosting not just the entertainment, hospitality, tourism and arts industries — significant though they are — but the whole economy as people pump their expendable income into a post-pandemic release valve. As Christakis points out, this is precisely what happened after the Spanish flu and led to the “roaring 1920s”. Well, here we may well go again. The problem is that the 1920s were followed by the 1930s and the rise of fascism.

Wots GALOT?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

GALOT alarmist catastrophism

https://mg.co.za/opinion/2021-02-04-richard-calland-fascism-is-the-post-pandemic-threat/

And then, if Yale professor and social epidemiologist Dr Nicholas Christakis is right, there may even be rebound boom time as people flock to pubs, clubs, festivals, theatres, restaurants, museums, and airports, boosting not just the entertainment, hospitality, tourism and arts industries — significant though they are — but the whole economy as people pump their expendable income into a post-pandemic release valve. As Christakis points out, this is precisely what happened after the Spanish flu and led to the “roaring 1920s”. Well, here we may well go again. The problem is that the 1920s were followed by the 1930s and the rise of fascism.

Wots GALOT?

Bing says either:
haughty; conveying in demeanour the assumption of superiority; disdainful.
or
something to do with motor sport.

get a load of this state government refusing to say outright that the correct strategy is and always has been to get numbers to zero

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

GALOT alarmist catastrophism

https://mg.co.za/opinion/2021-02-04-richard-calland-fascism-is-the-post-pandemic-threat/

And then, if Yale professor and social epidemiologist Dr Nicholas Christakis is right, there may even be rebound boom time as people flock to pubs, clubs, festivals, theatres, restaurants, museums, and airports, boosting not just the entertainment, hospitality, tourism and arts industries — significant though they are — but the whole economy as people pump their expendable income into a post-pandemic release valve. As Christakis points out, this is precisely what happened after the Spanish flu and led to the “roaring 1920s”. Well, here we may well go again. The problem is that the 1920s were followed by the 1930s and the rise of fascism.

Wots GALOT?

From the link:

“provided cover for the neoliberal model of globalisation that was then to entrench itself in the dying decade of the last century and the first decade of the new.

It came to a jarring stop with the global financial crisis of 2008 …”

That’s rubbish, isn’t it?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/nsw-records-172-new-covid19-cases/100325680

NSW recorded 172 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases.

111 of those cases were in the community while infectious. Of these, 19 cases were in isolation for only part of their infectious period and the nonisolation status of another 32 cases is pending confirmation.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nothing odd about it at all, and who says precision is being “relaxed”?

breathe some life into it, see things from the perspective of zero, if you were zero, don’t be a heartless alienator of true zero, its essence

I’m not alienating anything.

It is you, dear sir, who is dismissing the practical zero, as if having a value of practically zero had practically zero value.

I couldn’t really work with that, that a practical zero can be 1 or more, seems so horridly imprecise as to torture zero to the point of meaning something else

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

breathe some life into it, see things from the perspective of zero, if you were zero, don’t be a heartless alienator of true zero, its essence

I’m not alienating anything.

It is you, dear sir, who is dismissing the practical zero, as if having a value of practically zero had practically zero value.

I couldn’t really work with that, that a practical zero can be 1 or more, seems so horridly imprecise as to torture zero to the point of meaning something else

I confess that I wasn’t really thinking in the context of this thread, where we are dealing with integers, but even in that context a value of 1, or even much more than 1, can be effectively zero.

For instance, suppose there was a gas bottle with 10 kg of methane and 10 molecules of nitrogen. In that case I would be quite happy to say that the nitrogen content was practically zero.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m not alienating anything.

It is you, dear sir, who is dismissing the practical zero, as if having a value of practically zero had practically zero value.

I couldn’t really work with that, that a practical zero can be 1 or more, seems so horridly imprecise as to torture zero to the point of meaning something else

I confess that I wasn’t really thinking in the context of this thread, where we are dealing with integers, but even in that context a value of 1, or even much more than 1, can be effectively zero.

For instance, suppose there was a gas bottle with 10 kg of methane and 10 molecules of nitrogen. In that case I would be quite happy to say that the nitrogen content was practically zero.

can nitrogen grow exponentially

apparently in yet another crazy corruption coalition assault on truth, telling people straight the way things are videre licet

“If you’re in NSW, you cannot get a permit to enter Victoria. If you try to enter, you could be fined unless you have an exemption. Strict exemptions apply,” it says.

is “mean and nasty”

probably feeling like it is, is largely a product of being oneself mean and nasty, and having been called and caught out on that and a general superior attitude

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/nsw-records-172-new-covid19-cases/100325680

NSW recorded 172 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases.

111 of those cases were in the community while infectious. Of these, 19 cases were in isolation for only part of their infectious period and the nonisolation status of another 32 cases is pending confirmation.

Yes.

This a much better way of expressing the figures. Make them scary. Make people want to stay at home.

This wish-washy “60 of those were out in the community” is reducing the impact of the numbers.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

I couldn’t really work with that, that a practical zero can be 1 or more, seems so horridly imprecise as to torture zero to the point of meaning something else

I confess that I wasn’t really thinking in the context of this thread, where we are dealing with integers, but even in that context a value of 1, or even much more than 1, can be effectively zero.

For instance, suppose there was a gas bottle with 10 kg of methane and 10 molecules of nitrogen. In that case I would be quite happy to say that the nitrogen content was practically zero.

can nitrogen grow exponentially

Well not in a bottle of methane gas, no.

But my comments have practically zero relevance to this particular thread.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I confess that I wasn’t really thinking in the context of this thread, where we are dealing with integers, but even in that context a value of 1, or even much more than 1, can be effectively zero.

For instance, suppose there was a gas bottle with 10 kg of methane and 10 molecules of nitrogen. In that case I would be quite happy to say that the nitrogen content was practically zero.

can nitrogen grow exponentially

Well not in a bottle of methane gas, no.

But my comments have practically zero relevance to this particular thread.

:)

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

can nitrogen grow exponentially

Well not in a bottle of methane gas, no.

But my comments have practically zero relevance to this particular thread.

:)

Almost but greater than zero.

SCIENCE said:

Victoria has recorded 10 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19, all of which were in quarantine throughout their infectious period.

Queensland has recorded no new locally acquired cases overnight as genome sequencing confirms yesterday’s case in a returned traveller was contracted while in hotel quarantine.

—

Meanwhile in Gold Standard Country…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/blacktown-apartment-block-under-police-guard-over-covid/100325594

Blacktown apartment block under police guard after six residents test positive to COVID-19

that’s why it’s called Blockdown we suppose

“I’m absolutely delighted to announce no new cases since yesterday’s update, and that’s a huge relief,” Premier Steven Marshall said.

“What a lovely zero-case day today. I was very pleased not to have any bad news overnight,” Professor Spurrier said.

—

LOL

obviously these SA Liberals don’t care about NSW or consider their happenings to be news

The Premier said she was hoping to be in a position to announce whether the lockdown affecting Greater Sydney and its surrounds would be extended past July 31 “as early as tomorrow”.

ROFL

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m not alienating anything.

It is you, dear sir, who is dismissing the practical zero, as if having a value of practically zero had practically zero value.

I couldn’t really work with that, that a practical zero can be 1 or more, seems so horridly imprecise as to torture zero to the point of meaning something else

I confess that I wasn’t really thinking in the context of this thread, where we are dealing with integers, but even in that context a value of 1, or even much more than 1, can be effectively zero.

For instance, suppose there was a gas bottle with 10 kg of methane and 10 molecules of nitrogen. In that case I would be quite happy to say that the nitrogen content was practically zero.

it didn’t competently escape my mind it was a thread about covid, something to do with a pathogenic replicator with exponential contagion characteristics

but more to generalizations regard zero, some philosophy of zero, I am pondering just how honest humans can be regard that, employed conceptually in the social field, that sort of thinking

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/blacktown-apartment-block-under-police-guard-over-covid/100325594

So is Blacktown upmarket or downmarket?

sibeen said:

The Premier said she was hoping to be in a position to announce whether the lockdown affecting Greater Sydney and its surrounds would be extended past July 31 “as early as tomorrow”.

ROFL

Sad, sad, sad. Sad for NSW, and particularly Sydney.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Victoria has recorded 10 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19, all of which were in quarantine throughout their infectious period.

Queensland has recorded no new locally acquired cases overnight as genome sequencing confirms yesterday’s case in a returned traveller was contracted while in hotel quarantine.

—

Meanwhile in Gold Standard Country…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/blacktown-apartment-block-under-police-guard-over-covid/100325594

Blacktown apartment block under police guard after six residents test positive to COVID-19

that’s why it’s called Blockdown we suppose

So is Blacktown upmarket or downmarket?

It’s like Werribee really

Well, that was fun…

Lockdown to lift for Orange, Blayney and Cabonne in regional NSW

NSW Health has just confirmed that a seven-day lockdown for the Orange, Blayney and Cabonne council areas in the central west of NSW will end tomorrow, as was planned.

poikilotherm said:

Well, that was fun…

Lockdown to lift for Orange, Blayney and Cabonne in regional NSW

NSW Health has just confirmed that a seven-day lockdown for the Orange, Blayney and Cabonne council areas in the central west of NSW will end tomorrow, as was planned.

And yet it appears that some states or territories don’t exactly trust the lift.

NT declares regional New South Wales a hotspot as the state’s COVID cases climb

And here is why Victorians understand what is required of them. (OK, most people just go with what the reporters tell them, but the table of restrictions is up on the Premier’s site pretty promptly every time).

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/lockdown-lifted-across-victoria

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-07/210727%20-%20Table%20of%20Restrictions_1.pdf

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

Well, that was fun…

Lockdown to lift for Orange, Blayney and Cabonne in regional NSW

NSW Health has just confirmed that a seven-day lockdown for the Orange, Blayney and Cabonne council areas in the central west of NSW will end tomorrow, as was planned.

And yet it appears that some states or territories don’t exactly trust the lift.

NT declares regional New South Wales a hotspot as the state’s COVID cases climb

meh, I wasn’t planning on going to the NT any time soon.

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

Well, that was fun…

Lockdown to lift for Orange, Blayney and Cabonne in regional NSW

NSW Health has just confirmed that a seven-day lockdown for the Orange, Blayney and Cabonne council areas in the central west of NSW will end tomorrow, as was planned.

And yet it appears that some states or territories don’t exactly trust the lift.

NT declares regional New South Wales a hotspot as the state’s COVID cases climb

And Vic has just made more of NSW no go:

>>While case numbers in Sydney remain so high, we are still at risk of another significant incursion from NSW so on the advice of the Chief Health Officer, changes will also be made to tighten our cross-border bubble with NSW.

The City of Wagga Wagga, Hay Shire Council, Lockhart Shire Council and Murrumbidgee Council will no longer be included in the cross border bubble.

These local government areas will be included under the Extreme Risk Zone from 11:59pm tonight, in line with the rest of NSW and residents will need a Specified Worker Permit, transit permit, or an exemption to enter Victoria<<

From that link to the Premier’s office I gave a couple of posts ago.

poikilotherm said:

Well, that was fun…

Lockdown to lift for Orange, Blayney and Cabonne in regional NSW

NSW Health has just confirmed that a seven-day lockdown for the Orange, Blayney and Cabonne council areas in the central west of NSW will end tomorrow, as was planned.

Nice.

Fast and hard.

To date more than 200,000 Tasmanians have received their first dose of either the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine, with 93,000 people now fully vaccinated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/tasmania-records-447-days-since-last-coronavirus-case/100323142

“The vaccine rollout is the race that has stopped the nation.” – Dan Ilic, @Danilic

Bogsnorkler said:

“The vaccine rollout is the race that has stopped the nation.” – Dan Ilic, @Danilic

Ha!

Consequences
___________________________________________________

Police charge man over alleged assault of journalist at anti-lockdown protest

Police have charged a man over the alleged assault of a journalist at a protest in Sydney’s CBD over the weekend.

It’s alleged the man assaulted the reporter and stole his mobile phone at Victoria Park on Broadway.

A 54-year-old man was arrested at a home in Petersham last night where police say they seized clothing, a mobile phone and cannabis.

The man faced Newtown Local Court on charges including affray, common assault and stealing.

He’s been refused bail and will face court again next month.

_______________________________________________

REF: ABC live updates

buffy said:

Consequences
___________________________________________________

Police charge man over alleged assault of journalist at anti-lockdown protest

Police have charged a man over the alleged assault of a journalist at a protest in Sydney’s CBD over the weekend.

It’s alleged the man assaulted the reporter and stole his mobile phone at Victoria Park on Broadway.

A 54-year-old man was arrested at a home in Petersham last night where police say they seized clothing, a mobile phone and cannabis.

The man faced Newtown Local Court on charges including affray, common assault and stealing.

He’s been refused bail and will face court again next month.

_______________________________________________

REF: ABC live updates

Good.

A man from Sydney and a Brisbane flight attendant who sparked a COVID-19 scare in Queensland have both been hit with fines for failing to abide by the state’s health directions.

The man left lockdown in Sydney and flew to Ballina, where he was picked up by the woman and driven into Queensland.

Both later tested positive to the Delta variant after spending time in the community, sparking a widespread contact tracing effort.

Authorities said the woman had not fully cooperated with contact tracers and had engaged a lawyer.

The pair has been issued infringement notices relating to a breach of border directions after they travelled from New South Wales into Queensland on July 14.

The woman, 36, was handed a $4,135 fine for the breach while the 27-year-old man from New South Wales faced three infringement notices with fines totalling $9,648.

———————————————————
Good, too.
———————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-27/covid-live-updates-nsw-exposure-vic-sa-vaccine-lockdown-easing/100324808

Where’s poik? Sebastian has done another “review of a paper” from EClinicalMedicine (part of the Lancet family of journals)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/07/26/does-covid-cause-brain-damage/

As usual, I’ve skimmed the comments…don’t bother. I might take the link to the paper and have a look at it.

buffy said:

Where’s poik? Sebastian has done another “review of a paper” from EClinicalMedicine (part of the Lancet family of journals)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/07/26/does-covid-cause-brain-damage/

As usual, I’ve skimmed the comments…don’t bother. I might take the link to the paper and have a look at it.

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

So child that I drive to school who lives in one of the borked Sydney LGA’s is away tomorrow to get tested for Covid. Mum casually informs me to come thusday as normal to get her child…..O.o

Rang our Principal who was like WTF…. O.o

Also found out the child got tested on the 17th but that fact afaik wasn’t disclosed to anyone transport, school… anyone , on the 19th i had to tell dad to go back inside and mask up when he tried to put child on my bus only to get the eye roll thing…… mum works for a pharmaceutical company …… ….. O.o

So in fairness to all my drivers I’ve been rotating them off and on at work and so it just so happens that this week ive been sending my missus out on his bus while i drive another drivers run… O.o

Prolly gunna be ok and come to nothing but yeah… O.o

Still to talk to Principal but I’ve already decided that I’m not going in tomorrow and am going to get myself, TAOW and the lady who looks after the kids in the back of the bus tested tomorrow. just in case…

Sound reasonable?

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So child that I drive to school who lives in one of the borked Sydney LGA’s is away tomorrow to get tested for Covid. Mum casually informs me to come thusday as normal to get her child…..O.o

Rang our Principal who was like WTF…. O.o

Also found out the child got tested on the 17th but that fact afaik wasn’t disclosed to anyone transport, school… anyone , on the 19th i had to tell dad to go back inside and mask up when he tried to put child on my bus only to get the eye roll thing…… mum works for a pharmaceutical company …… ….. O.o

So in fairness to all my drivers I’ve been rotating them off and on at work and so it just so happens that this week ive been sending my missus out on his bus while i drive another drivers run… O.o

Prolly gunna be ok and come to nothing but yeah… O.o

Still to talk to Principal but I’ve already decided that I’m not going in tomorrow and am going to get myself, TAOW and the lady who looks after the kids in the back of the bus tested tomorrow. just in case…

Sound reasonable?

Yes, very much so.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So child that I drive to school who lives in one of the borked Sydney LGA’s is away tomorrow to get tested for Covid. Mum casually informs me to come thusday as normal to get her child…..O.o

Rang our Principal who was like WTF…. O.o

Also found out the child got tested on the 17th but that fact afaik wasn’t disclosed to anyone transport, school… anyone , on the 19th i had to tell dad to go back inside and mask up when he tried to put child on my bus only to get the eye roll thing…… mum works for a pharmaceutical company …… ….. O.o

So in fairness to all my drivers I’ve been rotating them off and on at work and so it just so happens that this week ive been sending my missus out on his bus while i drive another drivers run… O.o

Prolly gunna be ok and come to nothing but yeah… O.o

Still to talk to Principal but I’ve already decided that I’m not going in tomorrow and am going to get myself, TAOW and the lady who looks after the kids in the back of the bus tested tomorrow. just in case…

Sound reasonable?

It’s amazing that our species has survived thus far. The number of inconsiderate people is astounding.

I don’t think you have much of a choice now but to get tested :( If you’re outside of those LGAs, you might get your results quickly.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So child that I drive to school who lives in one of the borked Sydney LGA’s is away tomorrow to get tested for Covid. Mum casually informs me to come thusday as normal to get her child…..O.o

Rang our Principal who was like WTF…. O.o

Also found out the child got tested on the 17th but that fact afaik wasn’t disclosed to anyone transport, school… anyone , on the 19th i had to tell dad to go back inside and mask up when he tried to put child on my bus only to get the eye roll thing…… mum works for a pharmaceutical company …… ….. O.o

So in fairness to all my drivers I’ve been rotating them off and on at work and so it just so happens that this week ive been sending my missus out on his bus while i drive another drivers run… O.o

Prolly gunna be ok and come to nothing but yeah… O.o

Still to talk to Principal but I’ve already decided that I’m not going in tomorrow and am going to get myself, TAOW and the lady who looks after the kids in the back of the bus tested tomorrow. just in case…

Sound reasonable?

Yeah. tell em Sarah’s mum says its good.

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So child that I drive to school who lives in one of the borked Sydney LGA’s is away tomorrow to get tested for Covid. Mum casually informs me to come thusday as normal to get her child…..O.o

Rang our Principal who was like WTF…. O.o

Also found out the child got tested on the 17th but that fact afaik wasn’t disclosed to anyone transport, school… anyone , on the 19th i had to tell dad to go back inside and mask up when he tried to put child on my bus only to get the eye roll thing…… mum works for a pharmaceutical company …… ….. O.o

So in fairness to all my drivers I’ve been rotating them off and on at work and so it just so happens that this week ive been sending my missus out on his bus while i drive another drivers run… O.o

Prolly gunna be ok and come to nothing but yeah… O.o

Still to talk to Principal but I’ve already decided that I’m not going in tomorrow and am going to get myself, TAOW and the lady who looks after the kids in the back of the bus tested tomorrow. just in case…

Sound reasonable?

Yeah. tell em Sarah’s mum says its good.

+1

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So child that I drive to school who lives in one of the borked Sydney LGA’s is away tomorrow to get tested for Covid. Mum casually informs me to come thusday as normal to get her child…..O.o

Rang our Principal who was like WTF…. O.o

Also found out the child got tested on the 17th but that fact afaik wasn’t disclosed to anyone transport, school… anyone , on the 19th i had to tell dad to go back inside and mask up when he tried to put child on my bus only to get the eye roll thing…… mum works for a pharmaceutical company …… ….. O.o

So in fairness to all my drivers I’ve been rotating them off and on at work and so it just so happens that this week ive been sending my missus out on his bus while i drive another drivers run… O.o

Prolly gunna be ok and come to nothing but yeah… O.o

Still to talk to Principal but I’ve already decided that I’m not going in tomorrow and am going to get myself, TAOW and the lady who looks after the kids in the back of the bus tested tomorrow. just in case…

Sound reasonable?

Yes, yes it does.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Where’s poik? Sebastian has done another “review of a paper” from EClinicalMedicine (part of the Lancet family of journals)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/07/26/does-covid-cause-brain-damage/

As usual, I’ve skimmed the comments…don’t bother. I might take the link to the paper and have a look at it.

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Where’s poik? Sebastian has done another “review of a paper” from EClinicalMedicine (part of the Lancet family of journals)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/07/26/does-covid-cause-brain-damage/

As usual, I’ve skimmed the comments…don’t bother. I might take the link to the paper and have a look at it.

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

I wonder how that passed the peer-review process.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

I wonder how that passed the peer-review process.

There’s not anything wrong with the methods or study as such. It’s just mostly useless.

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

He has principles.

sibeen said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

He has principles.

she hates being called he

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

:)

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

I wonder how that passed the peer-review process.

There’s not anything wrong with the methods or study as such. It’s just mostly useless.

For a study with such a large number of participants, 81,337, 12,689 of whom thought they had had COVID, the Findings refer to a laughably small number.

From the actual paper referred to:
__________________________________________________________
Findings
People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition.

___________________________________________

sibeen said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

He has principles.

:)

Time for my weekly worldwide Covid round-up.

What countries should I look at today? Namibia and Fiji obviously, but what else? Tunisia’s deaths have doubled in the past month, so it’s now second worst in the world.

Namibia, Tunisia and Fiji are really bad, followed by places like Russia, Indonesia, Thailand, South Africa, Botswana, Oman, and (of course) South America (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Columbia but not, interestingly, Uruguay). Deaths in Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay & Columbia are all down on what they were a month ago.

Covid deaths in the US are staying fairly level. Deaths in the UK are up but only to a still low level, 4 times what they were a month ago.

Here are Covid deaths in some countries worth watching. The following chart is drawn to a log scale, previously all the charts I’ve shown here are on a linear scale. I prefer a linear scale, but it’s easier to see the latest rises and falls this month on a log scale.

How is the mortality rate doing in the UK? Mortality rates are all over the place. Some falling, some rising, some staying stable. The real shocker on the next graph is the rapid rise in mortality rate in Myanmar. I’ve no idea what’s causing that. The followng graph is only for some countries with low mortality rates.

Some countries that have, or used to have, very few Covid cases. “Best in the world”, cases. On the other hand, Hungary used to the be the worst country in the world for Covid only a few months ago, but look at it now. China is being affected by the rise in the delta variant, but not to nearly the same extent as Australia. Something weird happened to the NZ statistics, they look wrong. Checking the NZ data against the NZ case statistics from Worldometers; OurWorldinData has it wrong, there was no sudden spike in NZ cases.

I’ll skip looking at vaccination rates and the variants of most interest, this month.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

He has principles.

:)

thoughts but no prayers from us for Trevtaowillgetyounowhere

agree, good job

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sibeen said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Excellent news Principal has my back said GO GET FUCKIN EVERYONE tested. angry face good job!

He has principles.

she hates being called he

political correctness

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sibeen said:

He has principles.

she hates being called he

I never use “she” or “he”.

If you don’t like being called “it”, get over it.

mollwollfumble said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sibeen said:

He has principles.

she hates being called he

I never use “she” or “he”.

If you don’t like being called “it”, get over it.

the other day I heard someone pronounce s/he as “sh-he”. I wonder if that one will ever take off.

mollwollfumble said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sibeen said:

He has principles.

she hates being called he

I never use “she” or “he”.

If you don’t like being called “it”, get over it.

“Dem”.

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

she hates being called he

I never use “she” or “he”.

If you don’t like being called “it”, get over it.

“Dem”.

I don’t like ‘them’. Them is a plural, so unless you are referring to Siamese twins, it doesn’t work very well. We must find a better term.

Speedy said:

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never use “she” or “he”.

If you don’t like being called “it”, get over it.

“Dem”.

I don’t like ‘them’. Them is a plural, so unless you are referring to Siamese twins, it doesn’t work very well. We must find a better term.

“Dem” is a Jamaican thing. Plural is not implied, although it can be used as a plural.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

I wonder how that passed the peer-review process.

There’s not anything wrong with the methods or study as such. It’s just mostly useless.

For a study with such a large number of participants, 81,337, 12,689 of whom thought they had had COVID, the Findings refer to a laughably small number.

From the actual paper referred to:
__________________________________________________________
Findings
People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition.

___________________________________________

LOL

maybe we’re the ones who caught COVID-19 and didn’t get tested at the right time and have lost all our grey matter

but

is that paper saying they compared the confirmed cases with the others

Speedy said:

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never use “she” or “he”.

If you don’t like being called “it”, get over it.

“Dem”.

I don’t like ‘them’. Them is a plural, so unless you are referring to Siamese twins, it doesn’t work very well. We must find a better term.

If you can be singular or plural, why can’t dem?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Speedy said:

Michael V said:

“Dem”.

I don’t like ‘them’. Them is a plural, so unless you are referring to Siamese twins, it doesn’t work very well. We must find a better term.

If you can be singular or plural, why can’t dem?

just upgrade to a language which does away with these obsolete and redundant quirks of language

florid psychosis

remember how lockdown were supposed to make all our children suicide

because they love to bully and fight each other at school, which toughens them up, and now they get to miss out on the fun of having their heads flushed

guess what

https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/2977384169199489

Attending School Causes Suicide

(apparently)

After a year of speculation over a brewing mental health crisis among kids and adolescents, in June the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finally released data showing that starting in February of 2021, the number of suspected suicide attempts had dramatically increased among girls ages 12-17 in the United States as compared to 2019. You could almost hear a collective, we told you so, from pundits who had spent the year decrying the closure of schools as Covid-19 tore through the country. To them, these statistics were proof positive that closing schools had brutalized kids.

Here’s the snag: the rate of suicide attempts appears to have been inversely related to school closures. That is, when schools closed, suspected suicide attempts actually decreased. When schools reopened, suspected suicide attempts skyrocketed in lockstep.

Here’s a nice one. Let’s see what they’re suggesting.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.21.21260944v1.full.pdf

Manaus, Brazil offers a concerning glimpse of what may come: six months after the majority of the city’s population experienced primary infection, a second wave with a new strain resulted in more deaths than the first wave.

Current hypotheses for this surge rely on prior immunity waning due to time and antigenic distance. Here we show this hypothesis predicts a severe endemic state.

We propose an alternative hypothesis in which individuals infected in the first wave lose protection against transmission but retain immunity against severe disease and show this hypothesis is equally compatible with existing data. In this scenario, the increased number of deaths is due to an increased infection fatality ratio (IFR) for primary infections with the new variant. This alternative predicts a mild endemic state will be reached within decades. Collecting data on the severity of reinfections and infections post-vaccination as a function of time and antigenic distance from the original exposure is crucial for optimizing control strategies.

—

good news, COVID-19 will become endemic instead of killed off

good news, it will become milder

good news, the above will take decades

good luck

cooked

SCIENCE said:

remember how lockdown were supposed to make all our children suicide

because they love to bully and fight each other at school, which toughens them up, and now they get to miss out on the fun of having their heads flushed

guess what

https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/2977384169199489

Attending School Causes Suicide

(apparently)

After a year of speculation over a brewing mental health crisis among kids and adolescents, in June the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finally released data showing that starting in February of 2021, the number of suspected suicide attempts had dramatically increased among girls ages 12-17 in the United States as compared to 2019. You could almost hear a collective, we told you so, from pundits who had spent the year decrying the closure of schools as Covid-19 tore through the country. To them, these statistics were proof positive that closing schools had brutalized kids.

Here’s the snag: the rate of suicide attempts appears to have been inversely related to school closures. That is, when schools closed, suspected suicide attempts actually decreased. When schools reopened, suspected suicide attempts skyrocketed in lockstep.

Yeah. Being bullied at school (and then afterwards, no matter where you go) is not fun. Not fun at all.

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

A fair bit of bovine faeces in there.

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

Our economy didn’t fall into a ditch, hence there is no need for a V-shaped recovery.

I declare war upon the The Spectator. May their children be devoured by wild beasts.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

Our economy didn’t fall into a ditch, hence there is no need for a V-shaped recovery.

I declare war upon the The Spectator. May their children be devoured by wild beasts.

It’s not quite the Institute of Public Affairs, but only just :)

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

Our economy didn’t fall into a ditch, hence there is no need for a V-shaped recovery.

I declare war upon the The Spectator. May their children be devoured by wild beasts.

It’s not quite the Institute of Public Affairs, but only just :)

So many fuckwits, so few wild beasts left.

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

OALA….. everybody has one. And for some reason, they all get published.

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

OALA….. everybody has one. And for some reason, they all get published.

Mine don’t. Except for posting them here.

¡ oooh oooh Comirnaty finally killed someone !

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/cause-of-cardiac-arrest-for-vaccinated-16-year-old-still-being-investigated-says

Cause of cardiac arrest for 16-year-old who got Covid-19 vaccine still being investigated

16-year-old boy suffered a cardiac arrest last week after a strenuous session of weightlifting in the gym

The boy had lifted a weight that was almost twice his body weight, “quite an exceptional activity to undertake in the gym”, said Singapore’s director of medical services Kenneth Mak on Wednesday (July 7).

The boy had also been taking some supplements, noted Associate Professor Mak. Investigations are still ongoing to determine the cause of the cardiac arrest.

—

lessons

• don’t do ‘roids or “supplements”
• lifting double your own weight is probably dangerous
• even if you get vaccinated against COVID-19 other stuff can still kill you

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

OALA….. everybody has one. And for some reason, they all get published.

OALA?

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

OALA….. everybody has one. And for some reason, they all get published.

OALA?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22everybody+has+one%22

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Where’s poik? Sebastian has done another “review of a paper” from EClinicalMedicine (part of the Lancet family of journals)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/07/26/does-covid-cause-brain-damage/

As usual, I’ve skimmed the comments…don’t bother. I might take the link to the paper and have a look at it.

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093949/
Post-COVID syndrome: Incidence, clinical spectrum, and challenges for primary healthcare professionals

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

OALA….. everybody has one. And for some reason, they all get published.

OALA?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=%22everybody+has+one%22

Ta.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

He has principles.

:)

thoughts but no prayers from us for Trevtaowillgetyounowhere

agree, good job

Full marks.

SCIENCE said:

remember how lockdown were supposed to make all our children suicide

because they love to bully and fight each other at school, which toughens them up, and now they get to miss out on the fun of having their heads flushed

guess what

https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/2977384169199489

Attending School Causes Suicide

(apparently)

After a year of speculation over a brewing mental health crisis among kids and adolescents, in June the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finally released data showing that starting in February of 2021, the number of suspected suicide attempts had dramatically increased among girls ages 12-17 in the United States as compared to 2019. You could almost hear a collective, we told you so, from pundits who had spent the year decrying the closure of schools as Covid-19 tore through the country. To them, these statistics were proof positive that closing schools had brutalized kids.

Here’s the snag: the rate of suicide attempts appears to have been inversely related to school closures. That is, when schools closed, suspected suicide attempts actually decreased. When schools reopened, suspected suicide attempts skyrocketed in lockstep.

Well, school is where all the bullying happens.

transition said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093949/
Post-COVID syndrome: Incidence, clinical spectrum, and challenges for primary healthcare professionals

regard the fatigue, likely it’s a difficult subject to research because it involves mental states, self-reporting regard a mental state

i’d conjecture a useful way to start to understand it (the fatigue mental state) may be to consider the mental state you experience when becoming unwell, like you might come down with influenza and suddenly have a strong desire to go somewhere comfortable and fall asleep

now hold that sensation, and imagine it persists all the time, all day into sleep and when you wake, through your wakeful day, day in day out, fairly much unrelenting

so the healthy observer of such self-reported fatigue needs conjure a persistent mental state that in themselves is transitional (and perhaps doesn’t happen very often with such intensity), but is more something persistent in the example/s they are studying

also consider how difficult it is for a healthy person to think when becoming rapidly very tired, the brain puts the brakes on thinking (and body exertion), now apply that to the situation of persistent tiredness

fatigued brains and bodies are a liability, so it’s hardly surprising evolution happened upon something that disinclined doing too much when excessively tired or fatigued, when judgement, coordination and strength are marginal, less than optimal, or impaired, some feedback by way of mental states is probably going to be adaptive

a healthy person has a lot of ease about their mental processing (if not seriously sleep deprived, unwell, or unhealthy), and diffuse enjoyment that comes from the ease (that at the level of biological mechanisms probably involves unconscious positive feedback, or reward), most thinking (of a healthy person) doesn’t require great force to steer the mind to do whatever, and can happen seemingly with little or no effort

an example of ease of processing could be something like enjoying the scenic view from a lookout in your area, maybe watching the sun rise, which could be an entirely different experience if you walked to the top of that hill then suddenly felt like you were getting the flu, for example

now consider there is some part of the brain that generates these mental state transitions to do with sleep/wakeful, arousal (and it’s opposite importantly), maybe the reticular activating system (RAS) does that

further consider the RAS formation or near connected brain structures can be damaged by viral infections (which may alter local neuro-chemistry, and the activity in other regions), caused possibly by the virus directly or an immune response, or both

of course the RAS might not be what causes it, but the idea of something (in or of the brain) generating a persistent shutdown pressure on activity is perhaps useful. For millions of years finding a comfortable spot and sleeping has been (and still is) a basic medicine (if you will) to prevent serious infection (and perhaps limit damage caused by immune response), and recover from infection

https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Reticular_activating_system

transition said:

transition said:

buffy said:

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093949/
Post-COVID syndrome: Incidence, clinical spectrum, and challenges for primary healthcare professionals

regard the fatigue, likely it’s a difficult subject to research because it involves mental states, self-reporting regard a mental state

i’d conjecture a useful way to start to understand it (the fatigue mental state) may be to consider the mental state you experience when becoming unwell, like you might come down with influenza and suddenly have a strong desire to go somewhere comfortable and fall asleep

now hold that sensation, and imagine it persists all the time, all day into sleep and when you wake, through your wakeful day, day in day out, fairly much unrelenting

so the healthy observer of such self-reported fatigue needs conjure a persistent mental state that in themselves is transitional (and perhaps doesn’t happen very often with such intensity), but is more something persistent in the example/s they are studying

also consider how difficult it is for a healthy person to think when becoming rapidly very tired, the brain puts the brakes on thinking (and body exertion), now apply that to the situation of persistent tiredness

fatigued brains and bodies are a liability, so it’s hardly surprising evolution happened upon something that disinclined doing too much when excessively tired or fatigued, when judgement, coordination and strength are marginal, less than optimal, or impaired, some feedback by way of mental states is probably going to be adaptive

a healthy person has a lot of ease about their mental processing (if not seriously sleep deprived, unwell, or unhealthy), and diffuse enjoyment that comes from the ease (that at the level of biological mechanisms probably involves unconscious positive feedback, or reward), most thinking (of a healthy person) doesn’t require great force to steer the mind to do whatever, and can happen seemingly with little or no effort

an example of ease of processing could be something like enjoying the scenic view from a lookout in your area, maybe watching the sun rise, which could be an entirely different experience if you walked to the top of that hill then suddenly felt like you were getting the flu, for example

now consider there is some part of the brain that generates these mental state transitions to do with sleep/wakeful, arousal (and it’s opposite importantly), maybe the reticular activating system (RAS) does that

further consider the RAS formation or near connected brain structures can be damaged by viral infections (which may alter local neuro-chemistry, and the activity in other regions), caused possibly by the virus directly or an immune response, or both

of course the RAS might not be what causes it, but the idea of something (in or of the brain) generating a persistent shutdown pressure on activity is perhaps useful. For millions of years finding a comfortable spot and sleeping has been (and still is) a basic medicine (if you will) to prevent serious infection (and perhaps limit damage caused by immune response), and recover from infection

https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Reticular_activating_system

Thanks.

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Clearly. 10 grand is possibly not a big enough deterrent. When such actions could easily have led to death and serious illness for many.

By the way, my dennis told me that he had had two Astra Zeneca and a Pfizer booster. Said it was recommended.

roughbarked said:

By the way, my dennis told me that he had had two Astra Zeneca and a Pfizer booster. Said it was recommended.

The Pfizer booster shots are not here yet. The PM ordered them last week.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

By the way, my dennis told me that he had had two Astra Zeneca and a Pfizer booster. Said it was recommended.

The Pfizer booster shots are not here yet. The PM ordered them last week.

Maybe I misheard his Thai accent through his mask?

transition said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Observational studies are observational? Or is there more insight than that in the link?

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093949/
Post-COVID syndrome: Incidence, clinical spectrum, and challenges for primary healthcare professionals

From that link:

“Post-COVID syndrome also known as long COVID refers to symptoms persisting for more than three weeks after the diagnosis of COVID-19. “

I reckon three weeks is too short. While normal colds usually last a couple of weeks or 14 days if you treat it (with most symptoms in the first 3-5 days), pretty much everyone has had one of those ones that just won’t go away and sticks about for a couple of months.

And, I like the use of the word “may” in this sentence in the Abstract.

“In conclusion approximately 10% of patients with COVID-19 may have symptoms persisting beyond three weeks, fulfilling the criteria of post-COVID syndrome.”

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

By the way, my dennis told me that he had had two Astra Zeneca and a Pfizer booster. Said it was recommended.

The Pfizer booster shots are not here yet. The PM ordered them last week.

Maybe I misheard his Thai accent through his mask?

Maybe. But the Aust. Dental Association has a lot of political clout. too.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

The Pfizer booster shots are not here yet. The PM ordered them last week.

Maybe I misheard his Thai accent through his mask?

Maybe. But the Aust. Dental Association has a lot of political clout. too.

He is always off to meetings and stuff. So maybe.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

this is CHINA’s fault with all their trade wars

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australia-proves-the-cost-of-zero-covid

Australia shows the cost of zero Covid

The UK is growing at the fastest pace in 80 years. The United States, fuelled by President Biden’s stimulus programme, is expanding at a breath-taking pace, while Sweden is growing at a rapid rate. Most of the global economy is bouncing back from the Covid recession at remarkable speed. There is, however, one exception. Australia. What has long been one of the most successful economies in the world is heading back not just into lockdown but into recession as well — and giving the world a sharp lesson in the cost of ‘zero Covid’.

Over the last year, Australia, along with New Zealand, has been heaped with praise for the way it has managed to keep Covid-19 under control. There is, of course, plenty of justification for that. Infection and death rates are dramatically lower than they are in most other countries. And yet, there is a price attached. Many local economists are now forecasting that a recession is almost certain in the latest quarter.

There is no great surprise about that. With rising local infections, and New South Wales and Victoria under lockdown, two states that account for more than half the country’s GDP output is being hammered. No one can produce very much when they can’t go out.

That, of course, is happening in one of the richest and most successful economies of recent times. Only a couple of years ago Australia was being celebrated for completing almost three decades without a recession, the longest run of uninterrupted growth since accurate GDP records started to be collected in the 1930s. Now it is slumping just as the rest of the world is recovering. In fact, it is about to show the economic cost of a zero Covid strategy. The country has imposed the tightest lockdowns and border closures in the world. Sure, that has worked in the sense that it has a far lower death rate than any other major counrtry. The trouble is, it also has a chaotic vaccination programme, and keeps going back into lockdown.

In truth, the big problem with zero Covid is that there is no exit strategy. The virus isn’t eliminated, it just keeps on circulating at low levels. While that is true, the borders have to remain closed and there are repeated lockdowns to stop infections running out of control.

Lots of ‘experts’ have been lecturing us for the last 16 months that there was no trade-off between health and the economy, and that zero Covid would be better for output in the medium term. Australia is about to show that isn’t really the case. Zero Covid will take a huge economic toll and may last for years. It is perfectly respectable to argue for it if that’s what you want — but there is no point in pretending that there won’t be a heavy price in lost output and jobs. And over time that will take a toll on society as well.

wait

A fair bit of bovine faeces in there.

My thoughts exactly :)

TATE on the author:
Matthew Lynn

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

No.

But, we do want e.g. George to be ashamed.

Because George is a dick.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/26/covid-patients-tell-of-regrets-over-refusing-jab-vaccine-intensive-care

fake news. Crisis actors.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

I disagree. I’d put them into stocks if I had my druthers.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

I disagree. I’d put them into stocks if I had my ‘druthers.

In keeping with George’s medieval beliefs?

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

I disagree. I’d put them into stocks if I had my druthers.

Pffft weak.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

I disagree. I’d put them into stocks if I had my druthers.

Pffft weak.

Since everyone is worried about their money, perhaps his loss will be in facial recognition at employment?

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

He got fined $10,000 and her $4,000 apparently. Is that the solution? :)

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

He got fined $10,000 and her $4,000 apparently. Is that the solution? :)

An expensive sex romp.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

I disagree. I’d put them into stocks if I had my druthers.

The Internet tells me that “my druthers” is an American phrase.

I didn’t know that. Always assumed it was N. English.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

I disagree. I’d put them into stocks if I had my druthers.

The Internet tells me that “my druthers” is an American phrase.

I didn’t know that. Always assumed it was N. English.

From the southern states.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/queensland-coronavirus-case-backpacker-update/100322750

They are still coming in.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/28/covid-vaccination-rates-for-workers-in-home-aged-care-as-low-as-5-but-not-a-focus-for-government

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/teens-getting-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-they-want-a-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

He got fined $10,000 and her $4,000 apparently. Is that the solution? :)

It’s certainly the correct mechanism. Public lynchings are not.

For me, 6-12 months in jail for each of them would be a reasonable outcome.

https://theconversation.com/growing-evidence-suggests-russias-sputnik-v-covid-vaccine-is-safe-and-very-effective-but-questions-about-the-data-remain-164392

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

A couple of bits:

“81,337 individuals residing in the UK completed an on-line test of their cognitive function. They also provided information on their covid status (whether or not they thought they’d had it, and how sick they were), as well as a bunch of other demographic information. The data was collected from January to December 2020.”

You can probably see a problem right there…

“A major problem with the study is that 97%(!) of the people who thought they’d had covid lacked testing to confirm the diagnosis. Of the 12,689 that thought they’d had covid, only 386 actually had a confirmed diagnosis. The only group in which the majority actually had a positive test confirming that they had had covid was the group that had been on a ventilator in an intensive care unit! If you can’t even be sure that 97% of participants actually had the disease you’re trying to draw conclusions about, then you really don’t have a leg to stand on.”

He’s a bit happy with the exclamation marks, but it does seem appropriate there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093949/
Post-COVID syndrome: Incidence, clinical spectrum, and challenges for primary healthcare professionals

From that link:

“Post-COVID syndrome also known as long COVID refers to symptoms persisting for more than three weeks after the diagnosis of COVID-19. “

I reckon three weeks is too short. While normal colds usually last a couple of weeks or 14 days if you treat it (with most symptoms in the first 3-5 days), pretty much everyone has had one of those ones that just won’t go away and sticks about for a couple of months.

And, I like the use of the word “may” in this sentence in the Abstract.

“In conclusion approximately 10% of patients with COVID-19 may have symptoms persisting beyond three weeks, fulfilling the criteria of post-COVID syndrome.”

yeah it’s a bit like it alludes to some magic that generates mental states

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/07/28/covid-vaccine-mandatory/

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Sydney tradesman identified after sparking Queensland COVID alert and lying to authorities

Exclusive by Alexandria Utting
George Thompson met up with a Brisbane flight attendant and then illegally travelled into Queensland, giving false information at venues and spending time in the south-east Queensland community while infectious with the Delta strain of COVID-19.’

George is a dick.

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

No.

But, we do want e.g. George to be ashamed.

Because George is a dick.

I believe that George is rogering the freckle off the flight attendant.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

No.

But, we do want e.g. George to be ashamed.

Because George is a dick.

I believe that George is rogering the freckle off the flight attendant.

The coffee, tea or me syndrome.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

No.

But, we do want e.g. George to be ashamed.

Because George is a dick.

I believe that George is rogering the freckle off the flight attendant.

LOL

It’s that obvious?

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

No.

But, we do want e.g. George to be ashamed.

Because George is a dick.

I believe that George is rogering the freckle off the flight attendant.

LOL

It’s that obvious?

We’ll one of the spots that they visited was a sex shop, apparently.

NSW:

“Of the 177 new infections today, dozens were infectious in the community.

A total of 46 were infectious in the community, while 22 were in isolation for only part of their infectious period.

The isolation status of 62 cases remains under investigation.”

So, potentially 130 in the community. Numbers keep going up…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/nsw-177-new-covid-19-cases/100329076

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I believe that George is rogering the freckle off the flight attendant.

LOL

It’s that obvious?

We’ll one of the spots that they visited was a sex shop, apparently.

Yesh…

I wonder why they were both so unhelpful.

NSW’s COVID-19 lockdown is being extended, and overhauled, after 177 new infections were announced today – a record in the current outbreak.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian blamed low vaccination rates as she announced the current stay-at-home orders affecting Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour would be extended for four weeks, until 12:01am on Saturday, August 28.

ROFL, she’s throwing scotty under the bus.

sibeen said:

NSW’s COVID-19 lockdown is being extended, and overhauled, after 177 new infections were announced today – a record in the current outbreak.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian blamed low vaccination rates as she announced the current stay-at-home orders affecting Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour would be extended for four weeks, until 12:01am on Saturday, August 28.

ROFL, she’s throwing scotty under the bus.

They are going for a PB. From the ABC live updates, an answer to a reader’s question:

“This isn’t the highest day ever in NSW, but it is the highest in this current outbreak. On March 28 last year, New South Wales recorded 212 new cases of coroanvirus”

Michael V said:

NSW:

“Of the 177 new infections today, dozens were infectious in the community.

A total of 46 were infectious in the community, while 22 were in isolation for only part of their infectious period.

The isolation status of 62 cases remains under investigation.”

So, potentially 130 in the community. Numbers keep going up…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/nsw-177-new-covid-19-cases/100329076

is it a lockdown if it doesn’t lock down the virus, I guess it slowly immunizes people with live virus, and the ultimate immunization is death probably, makes a positive contribution to herd immunity also

NSW needs to be sprayed with vaccine from space.

sibeen said:

NSW’s COVID-19 lockdown is being extended, and overhauled, after 177 new infections were announced today – a record in the current outbreak.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian blamed low vaccination rates as she announced the current stay-at-home orders affecting Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour would be extended for four weeks, until 12:01am on Saturday, August 28.

ROFL, she’s throwing scotty under the bus.

wait but aren’t they friends wouldn’t Marketing have made sure that the state he is prime minister of, has at least as much coverage as the other states, wait

Despite this being the strictest lockdown we have had to-date in NSW, and with the situation looking direr than ever, Speedy Jnr (Yr12) is to go back to school on 6th August. He and his school cohort will not be vaccinated, as they are too young, and living in the wrong LGA to be eligible.

Speedy said:

Despite this being the strictest lockdown we have had to-date in NSW, and with the situation looking direr than ever, Speedy Jnr (Yr12) is to go back to school on 6th August. He and his school cohort will not be vaccinated, as they are too young, and living in the wrong LGA to be eligible.

16th August, dammit. Still before they can be ready.

sibeen said:

NSW’s COVID-19 lockdown is being extended, and overhauled, after 177 new infections were announced today – a record in the current outbreak.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian blamed low vaccination rates as she announced the current stay-at-home orders affecting Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour would be extended for four weeks, until 12:01am on Saturday, August 28.

ROFL, she’s throwing scotty under the bus.

it is getting crowded under that bus.

Speedy said:

Despite this being the strictest lockdown we have had to-date in NSW, and with the situation looking direr than ever, Speedy Jnr (Yr12) is to go back to school on 6th August. He and his school cohort will not be vaccinated, as they are too young, and living in the wrong LGA to be eligible.

And he goes to the wrong school.

Shoulda sent him to St. Joey’s.

Bogsnorkler said:

sibeen said:

NSW’s COVID-19 lockdown is being extended, and overhauled, after 177 new infections were announced today – a record in the current outbreak.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian blamed low vaccination rates as she announced the current stay-at-home orders affecting Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour would be extended for four weeks, until 12:01am on Saturday, August 28.

ROFL, she’s throwing scotty under the bus.

it is getting crowded under that bus.

Can the Bus move with that many people under it?

captain_spalding said:

Speedy said:

Despite this being the strictest lockdown we have had to-date in NSW, and with the situation looking direr than ever, Speedy Jnr (Yr12) is to go back to school on 6th August. He and his school cohort will not be vaccinated, as they are too young, and living in the wrong LGA to be eligible.

And he goes to the wrong school.

Shoulda sent him to St. Joey’s.

I know. My understanding is that the Catholic schools have barely felt a blip in their timetables, while Speedy Jnr’s school has cancelled classes, and closed down areas of the school where students have been completing practical projects. The theory components for these projects are due next week, even though the projects are incomplete. The students have been told that the school will help them to complete Covid/Misadventure forms and have been reassured that they will not be penalised. The projects have effectively been written-off. While Speedy Jnr is behind with most of his studies, and has fallen even further behind with this lockdown, he was way ahead of his classmates with his prac, a complex project suggested to him by his teacher, who knew Speedy Jnr could do it well.

sibeen said:

NSW’s COVID-19 lockdown is being extended, and overhauled, after 177 new infections were announced today – a record in the current outbreak.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian blamed low vaccination rates as she announced the current stay-at-home orders affecting Greater Sydney, the Blue Mountains, Central Coast, Wollongong and Shellharbour would be extended for four weeks, until 12:01am on Saturday, August 28.

ROFL, she’s throwing scotty under the bus.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is announcing further financial support for NSW during its lockdown.

sibeen said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is announcing further financial support for NSW during its lockdown.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is paying off Gladys so she’ll stop bad-mouthing him.

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is announcing further financial support for NSW during its lockdown.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is paying off Gladys so she’ll stop bad-mouthing him.

I in no way, no way, Sir, tried to give the impression that this was in any way, any way related to news earlier today. Completely different in every way.

Speedy said:

captain_spalding said:

Speedy said:

Despite this being the strictest lockdown we have had to-date in NSW, and with the situation looking direr than ever, Speedy Jnr (Yr12) is to go back to school on 6th August. He and his school cohort will not be vaccinated, as they are too young, and living in the wrong LGA to be eligible.

And he goes to the wrong school.

Shoulda sent him to St. Joey’s.

I know. My understanding is that the Catholic schools have barely felt a blip in their timetables, while Speedy Jnr’s school has cancelled classes, and closed down areas of the school where students have been completing practical projects. The theory components for these projects are due next week, even though the projects are incomplete. The students have been told that the school will help them to complete Covid/Misadventure forms and have been reassured that they will not be penalised. The projects have effectively been written-off. While Speedy Jnr is behind with most of his studies, and has fallen even further behind with this lockdown, he was way ahead of his classmates with his prac, a complex project suggested to him by his teacher, who knew Speedy Jnr could do it well.

Bugger.

I think the Joeys comment was alluding to their Yr 12 vaccinations “in error”.

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

captain_spalding said:

And he goes to the wrong school.

Shoulda sent him to St. Joey’s.

I know. My understanding is that the Catholic schools have barely felt a blip in their timetables, while Speedy Jnr’s school has cancelled classes, and closed down areas of the school where students have been completing practical projects. The theory components for these projects are due next week, even though the projects are incomplete. The students have been told that the school will help them to complete Covid/Misadventure forms and have been reassured that they will not be penalised. The projects have effectively been written-off. While Speedy Jnr is behind with most of his studies, and has fallen even further behind with this lockdown, he was way ahead of his classmates with his prac, a complex project suggested to him by his teacher, who knew Speedy Jnr could do it well.

Bugger.

I think the Joeys comment was alluding to their Yr 12 vaccinations “in error”.

Yes that’s how I read it. Catholic schools eh?

Speedy said:

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

I know. My understanding is that the Catholic schools have barely felt a blip in their timetables, while Speedy Jnr’s school has cancelled classes, and closed down areas of the school where students have been completing practical projects. The theory components for these projects are due next week, even though the projects are incomplete. The students have been told that the school will help them to complete Covid/Misadventure forms and have been reassured that they will not be penalised. The projects have effectively been written-off. While Speedy Jnr is behind with most of his studies, and has fallen even further behind with this lockdown, he was way ahead of his classmates with his prac, a complex project suggested to him by his teacher, who knew Speedy Jnr could do it well.

Bugger.

I think the Joeys comment was alluding to their Yr 12 vaccinations “in error”.

Yes that’s how I read it. Catholic schools eh?

God helps those who help themselves…

poikilotherm said:

Speedy said:

Michael V said:

Bugger.

I think the Joeys comment was alluding to their Yr 12 vaccinations “in error”.

Yes that’s how I read it. Catholic schools eh?

God helps those who help themselves…

maybe the catholics are used to being told what to do so obey the health rules without question? unlike those proddies who if the had followed the rules would still be catholic.

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

Sure.

But naming and shaming is not the solution either.

He got fined $10,000 and her $4,000 apparently. Is that the solution? :)

It’s certainly the correct mechanism. Public lynchings are not.

For me, 6-12 months in jail for each of them would be a reasonable outcome.

deservedness from the modern equivalent of a firing squad is such a precision business, perhaps the chap’s meninges will become wildly more porous from the added distress of the social humiliation, and let the virus in to further the good work

Witty Rejoinder said:

Glad they circled the bit I was supposed to read….

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ha!

Well got tested today… now we play the waiting game… might put in a mid week brew day tomorrow

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Glad they circled the bit I was supposed to read….

That was for the benefit of the non-mast wearers.

Dark Orange said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Glad they circled the bit I was supposed to read….

That was for the benefit of the non-mast wearers.

will that be a mast between the eyeballs or between the other balls

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/ultra-low-vaccine-dose-rockhampton-central-qld/100331270

Surely this homeopathic shit is just the ticket for some of those Byron Tweed surrounds.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-28/ultra-low-vaccine-dose-rockhampton-central-qld/100331270

Surely this homeopathic shit is just the ticket for some of those Byron Tweed surrounds.

“Pfizer requires a vial of vaccine to be mixed with saline solution to create six immunisation shots.
It is understood one vial of vaccine was not properly disposed of and was used twice.
It means six people received an “ultra-low” dose of the vaccine and may not be vaccinated, the Queensland Health statement said.”

Nup, no idea.

Boris’ unlockdown seems to be going well…

poikilotherm said:

Boris’ unlockdown seems to be going well…

so how do the alarmists explain that one

poikilotherm said:

Boris’ unlockdown seems to be going well…

They have finally got an app that works. Advising people of contact or potential contact with an infected person and making them self-isolate until they can get tested. The app is run by the NHS rather than being contracted out to some failed cronies. In the last two weeks over a million people have been pinged by the app and forced into self isolation. The UK press are calling it the “ping-demic”.

But people are getting pissed off with it already and deleting it from their phones. There is talk of the govt giving wide sweeping exemptions to “essential workers”, and of making the app less sensitive for ahigher threshold.

So expect the effectiveness of the app to decline and for the numbers to go back up again within a week.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airbnb-suspends-host-who-refused-accommodation-to-vaccinated-guests-20210728-p58dlf.html

Dark Orange said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airbnb-suspends-host-who-refused-accommodation-to-vaccinated-guests-20210728-p58dlf.html

I read about this place a couple of weeks ago. they hadn’t been delisted then.

Dark Orange said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airbnb-suspends-host-who-refused-accommodation-to-vaccinated-guests-20210728-p58dlf.html

Good.

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

Boris’ unlockdown seems to be going well…

They have finally got an app that works. Advising people of contact or potential contact with an infected person and making them self-isolate until they can get tested. The app is run by the NHS rather than being contracted out to some failed cronies. In the last two weeks over a million people have been pinged by the app and forced into self isolation. The UK press are calling it the “ping-demic”.

But people are getting pissed off with it already and deleting it from their phones. There is talk of the govt giving wide sweeping exemptions to “essential workers”, and of making the app less sensitive for ahigher threshold.

So expect the effectiveness of the app to decline and for the numbers to go back up again within a week.

cheers pp, I assumed people might have been self-isolating or whatever in response to the news of massively increasing numbers, but not quite, but not wrong either

Boris said:

Dark Orange said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airbnb-suspends-host-who-refused-accommodation-to-vaccinated-guests-20210728-p58dlf.html

I read about this place a couple of weeks ago. they hadn’t been delisted then.

I linked to their blurb a couple of months ago in here.

So if someone got Covid last year and recovered, and then gets the Delta variant this week, do they get counted as a new case?

party_pants said:

So if someone got Covid last year and recovered, and then gets the Delta variant this week, do they get counted as a new case?

there’s a discussion about that for the UK but then again we’re not even sure if they are here

Helen Dalton MP
50 mins ·
Today Gladys Berejiklian announced she will be taking away vaccines from regional areas, to give them to HSC students in Sydney.

Seriously!

I asked the National Party – “the only party for regional NSW” – to oppose this decision.

But Wes Fang MLC supports it.

sarahs mum said:

Helen Dalton MP
50 mins ·
Today Gladys Berejiklian announced she will be taking away vaccines from regional areas, to give them to HSC students in Sydney.

Seriously!

I asked the National Party – “the only party for regional NSW” – to oppose this decision.

But Wes Fang MLC supports it.

ROFL. I had to look Helen Dalton up.

see this interesting twist here

“risk of catching and dying from”

so what they’re depicting is a slightly-over-10-fold decrease in dying

what they’re not mentioning is the claims that vaccination is decreasing infections by around 90%, or a 10-fold decrease

so what they’re telling us but trying not to tell us is that vaccinated or not, if you do end up catching it, you’re still on the same cruise liner and your risk of dying given COVID-19 is still much the same

Vaccinated people may be able to spread the coronavirus and should resume wearing masks under certain circumstances, the nation’s top public health official said Tuesday in a gloomy acknowledgment that the mutated delta variant has reversed the promising trend lines of spring.

“It is not a welcome piece of news that masking is going to be a part of people’s lives who have already been vaccinated,” Walensky acknowledged. “This new guidance weighs heavily on me.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/27/cdc-masks-guidance-indoors/

poor messaging, because telling people how unwelcome it is, and how it weighs heavily, is not going to make them feel better about wearing masks

⚠ sarcasm not intended

—

“Nobody wants to go backward, but you have to deal with the facts on the ground, and the facts on the ground are that it’s a pretty scary time, and there are a lot of vulnerable people,” said Robert Wachter, chairman of the department of medicine at the University of California at San Francisco. “I think the biggest thing we got wrong was not anticipating that 30 percent of the country would choose not to be vaccinated.”

LOL

VN

JP

IL

SCIENCE said:

media’s been busy characterizing much of experience regard lockdowns to be negative, adverse, but doubt the reality is that

i’d expect humans come from a long history of lockdowns, getting through very cold winters for example, snowed in or whatever

subject school, I guess children are forced into near proximity with others, or some others they generally would put some distance between

the idea is maybe somewhat faded today, that much of the universe is what it is because of the distance between things, perhaps because people started measuring things against the speed of light

that light travels at the speed of light is a wonderful thing, and it’s fairly consistent, reliable, but i’m not sure how much it contributes to explanatory power regard organic reality

but as it goes your internet speed may be more important

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

media’s been busy characterizing much of experience regard lockdowns to be negative, adverse, but doubt the reality is that

i’d expect humans come from a long history of lockdowns, getting through very cold winters for example, snowed in or whatever

subject school, I guess children are forced into near proximity with others, or some others they generally would put some distance between

the idea is maybe somewhat faded today, that much of the universe is what it is because of the distance between things, perhaps because people started measuring things against the speed of light

that light travels at the speed of light is a wonderful thing, and it’s fairly consistent, reliable, but i’m not sure how much it contributes to explanatory power regard organic reality

but as it goes your internet speed may be more important

side note some of our best classes have been online classes

anyway

wait what we thought masking in schools would make it impossible to communicate, and impair their learning and cognitive and emotional development, and be child abuse

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

media’s been busy characterizing much of experience regard lockdowns to be negative, adverse, but doubt the reality is that

i’d expect humans come from a long history of lockdowns, getting through very cold winters for example, snowed in or whatever

subject school, I guess children are forced into near proximity with others, or some others they generally would put some distance between

the idea is maybe somewhat faded today, that much of the universe is what it is because of the distance between things, perhaps because people started measuring things against the speed of light

that light travels at the speed of light is a wonderful thing, and it’s fairly consistent, reliable, but i’m not sure how much it contributes to explanatory power regard organic reality

but as it goes your internet speed may be more important

side note some of our best classes have been online classes

anyway

wait what we thought masking in schools would make it impossible to communicate, and impair their learning and cognitive and emotional development, and be child abuse

the prospect of swapping air became a whole lot more interesting with covid

what makes this article interesting is that it seems like a place that has smashed the pandemic response, is still full of so-called experts who think they have something to learn from other places

https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/the-changing-covid-19-situation-in-taiwan-what-can-nz-learn-from-taiwans-latest-outbreak/

The New York Times
18 mins ·
The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine’s ability to prevent severe Covid-19 remains strong but wanes slightly over time, new data from the companies suggests. The finding could influence the debate over whether booster shots are necessary.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

media’s been busy characterizing much of experience regard lockdowns to be negative, adverse, but doubt the reality is that

i’d expect humans come from a long history of lockdowns, getting through very cold winters for example, snowed in or whatever

subject school, I guess children are forced into near proximity with others, or some others they generally would put some distance between

the idea is maybe somewhat faded today, that much of the universe is what it is because of the distance between things, perhaps because people started measuring things against the speed of light

that light travels at the speed of light is a wonderful thing, and it’s fairly consistent, reliable, but i’m not sure how much it contributes to explanatory power regard organic reality

but as it goes your internet speed may be more important

side note some of our best classes have been online classes

anyway

wait what we thought masking in schools would make it impossible to communicate, and impair their learning and cognitive and emotional development, and be child abuse

This thing about being with classmates is bullshit.

Shoulda worn masks…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-29/victoria-police-seek-protesters-who-used-flares/100332306

ABC JustIn

buffy said:

Shoulda worn masks…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-29/victoria-police-seek-protesters-who-used-flares/100332306

ABC JustIn

But, to them – not wearing masks was the whole point.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Shoulda worn masks…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-29/victoria-police-seek-protesters-who-used-flares/100332306

ABC JustIn

But, to them – not wearing masks was the whole point.

Yes. And now it may very well bite them. The penalties for letting off flares in proximity to people are quite large.

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Shoulda worn masks…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-29/victoria-police-seek-protesters-who-used-flares/100332306

ABC JustIn

But, to them – not wearing masks was the whole point.

Yes. And now it may very well bite them. The penalties for letting off flares in proximity to people are quite large.

Added to that, the penalty for not wearing a mask and etcetera.