Razer embraces a cyberpunk aesthetic with smart mask concept
https://newatlas.com/wearables/razer-project-hazel-smart-led-face-mask-n95-covid/

LG’s air purifying face mask now comes with built-in mic and speakers
https://newatlas.com/wearables/lg-puricare-air-purifier-hepa-face-mask/

Tau.Neutrino said:

Razer embraces a cyberpunk aesthetic with smart mask concept
https://newatlas.com/wearables/razer-project-hazel-smart-led-face-mask-n95-covid/

LG’s air purifying face mask now comes with built-in mic and speakers
https://newatlas.com/wearables/lg-puricare-air-purifier-hepa-face-mask/

Next step should be sensors that chat to smart phones.

Nine new Delta-COVID cases in Qld. All are linked to the Indro cluster, that has now spread to several other schools.

Michael V said:

Nine new Delta-COVID cases in Qld. All are linked to the Indro cluster, that has now spread to several other schools.

239 new Delta-COVID cases in NSW.

The Sydney map today.

so each day we hear about the case numbers and each day they say X amount of people were in the community and Y are still under investigation.

next day no update on yesterdays Y numbers so who the fuck knows whats happening..

Surely if you cant keep up with day to day contact tracing you have to assume Ys are X’s and be done with it and tell people.

I mean we have been told to assume everyone has it, wear a mask stay home all that good stuff but why don’t we just assume that each and every bugger that has it is an out in the community number until they have been looked into and actually show to be an X or a Y.

you dont know… fine, I get it, its a hard job right now just say you dont know so we are putting all those people into X for todays numbers.

fsm said:

The Sydney map today.

oh yeah we are borked

fsm said:

The Sydney map today.

far out.
yeeeesh.

The Melbourne map today.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

so each day we hear about the case numbers and each day they say X amount of people were in the community and Y are still under investigation.

next day no update on yesterdays Y numbers so who the fuck knows whats happening..

Surely if you cant keep up with day to day contact tracing you have to assume Ys are X’s and be done with it and tell people.

I mean we have been told to assume everyone has it, wear a mask stay home all that good stuff but why don’t we just assume that each and every bugger that has it is an out in the community number until they have been looked into and actually show to be an X or a Y.

you dont know… fine, I get it, its a hard job right now just say you dont know so we are putting all those people into X for todays numbers.

“NSW recorded 239 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.

Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community, while 35 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period and the isolation status of 98 cases remains under investigation.”

Up to 26+35+98=159 were potentially infectious in the community.

159 potentially infectious in the community.

fsm said:

The Sydney map today.

You can see here exactly why Gladys has only locked down certain LGAs. It just stands out, without any extraneous explanation required.

fsm said:

The Melbourne map today.

That’s exposure sites and not cases. You need to show the cases so it can be compared properly with Sydney’s.

Melbourne active cases map today.

sibeen said:

fsm said:

The Melbourne map today.

That’s exposure sites and not cases. You need to show the cases so it can be compared properly with Sydney’s.

This.

sibeen said:

fsm said:

The Sydney map today.

You can see here exactly why Gladys has only locked down certain LGAs. It just stands out, without any extraneous explanation required.

You must be influencing the way I think. This may not be a good thing.

Melbourne must be almost to the 14 days to drop off a lot of exposure sites by now. And freeing up a lot of people. So active cases should nosedive shortly, 14 days from peak. I’ve actually lost track of the timing.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Nine new Delta-COVID cases in Qld. All are linked to the Indro cluster, that has now spread to several other schools.

239 new Delta-COVID cases in NSW.

I thought they were supposed to be staying at home in Sydney? Oh…… that’s right. I get it now. It’s unless you don’t want to, and prefer to go out somewhere. Right. Got it Mrs Bellyjiggling. I understand now.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-cbd-lockdown-protests/ed46d68f-5396-4cc5-8c92-1ac19fd09fcc

MV might find this interesting. Bearing in mind the small sample size etc etc

Victoria’s COVID positive cases – a snapshot

CHO for Victoria, Brett Sutton says: “We have analysed the vaccination status of the 204 locally acquired cases from between July 12 and July 28. It’s a small sample size, so it’s not an analysis. It can’t be applied universally, so it doesn’t tell us everything but it’s a moment in time of those who were hospitalised.”

Of the 204 cases:

25 had received a first dose of the vaccination

Only 10 of those where fully vaccinated

Of the 10 positive cases that were vaccinated, none of them were hospitalised

He says: “Of the 204 cases, 29 had been eligible but hadn’t yet received a single vaccine”

________________________________________________

buffy said:

MV might find this interesting. Bearing in mind the small sample size etc etc

Victoria’s COVID positive cases – a snapshot

CHO for Victoria, Brett Sutton says: “We have analysed the vaccination status of the 204 locally acquired cases from between July 12 and July 28. It’s a small sample size, so it’s not an analysis. It can’t be applied universally, so it doesn’t tell us everything but it’s a moment in time of those who were hospitalised.”

Of the 204 cases:

25 had received a first dose of the vaccination

Only 10 of those where fully vaccinated

Of the 10 positive cases that were vaccinated, none of them were hospitalised

He says: “Of the 204 cases, 29 had been eligible but hadn’t yet received a single vaccine”

________________________________________________

Ta.

worth remembering that if everyone in the community had already been vaccinated, then all the cases would be vaccinated people

SCIENCE said:

worth remembering that if everyone in the community had already been vaccinated, then all the cases would be vaccinated people

Ha!

them data a bit (3 week) old but you do got to wonder what going on

HMPV might suggest it’s a massive testing effect but parainfluenza adenovirus would reckon something else

RSV intermediate

but

all the idiots wanting “just a mild ‘flu’” can stay idiotic because if we want this pandemic to behave like ‘flu’ then we should kiss it goodbye

(congratulations Australia for killing off* a highly lethal, Economy-Must-Grow-ally retarding, infectious disease called “influenza”)

*: eliminating, if not eradicating

SCIENCE said:

them data a bit (3 week) old but you do got to wonder what going on

HMPV might suggest it’s a massive testing effect but parainfluenza adenovirus would reckon something else

RSV intermediate

but

all the idiots wanting “just a mild ‘flu’” can stay idiotic because if we want this pandemic to behave like ‘flu’ then we should kiss it goodbye

(congratulations Australia for killing off* a highly lethal, Economy-Must-Grow-ally retarding, infectious disease called “influenza”)

*: eliminating, if not eradicating

The next lot of results might be a bit slow showing up with all the COVID testing maxing out the labs in NSW in the last month. When I had my thyroid test blood taken on Friday I asked how the labs were going here in Vic and was told they are a bit slower than usual coming back with results.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

them data a bit (3 week) old but you do got to wonder what going on

HMPV might suggest it’s a massive testing effect but parainfluenza adenovirus would reckon something else

RSV intermediate

but

all the idiots wanting “just a mild ‘flu’” can stay idiotic because if we want this pandemic to behave like ‘flu’ then we should kiss it goodbye

(congratulations Australia for killing off* a highly lethal, Economy-Must-Grow-ally retarding, infectious disease called “influenza”)

*: eliminating, if not eradicating

The next lot of results might be a bit slow showing up with all the COVID testing maxing out the labs in NSW in the last month. When I had my thyroid test blood taken on Friday I asked how the labs were going here in Vic and was told they are a bit slower than usual coming back with results.

fair, agree, but yeah it’s quite impressive that 18 months into a still-raging* pandemic, governments that can afford to throw a hundred thousand million dollars at their corporate donors, can’t put a couple of thousand million of that into building the public health capacity to stay ahead of a (fortunately) small amount of local transmission

*: possibly more than ever

in other breaking news, Vaccinate Then Let It Rip jokers cause evolution of vaccine-resistant ripper strains

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3

Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of vaccine-resistant strains

it’s almost as if there’s some kind of synergy, piggy-backing of these viruses, maybe it’s like syphilamydonorrea, hunting in packs

but apparently children don’t die from this minor head cold so it’s all good, all fun

USSA

anyway we leave you with the slightest of good news, not a silver bullet but perhaps a silver lining, a full metal jacket even

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1

apparently with this B 1 617 2 thing, if you’ve been vaccinated, then if you get sick anyway, “breakthrough” they say

• even though you’re just as sick
• even though you’re just as infectious in the first week
• your viral load might drop a bit faster, you seem to clear the virus faster

so at least you won’t spread it to anyone else you’re isolating / quarantining with after the first week, when the outbreak has already gotten out of hand

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

worth remembering that if everyone in the community had already been vaccinated, then all the cases would be vaccinated people

Ha!

fk we missed it, try again

SCIENCE said:

anyway we leave you with the slightest of good news, not a silver bullet but perhaps a silver lining, a full metal jacket even

at least Vietnam seems to be turning the tide wave

thoughts (no prayers)

—

all right telephone mostly charged time to go to the superspreader protests shops, saw some soldiers police downstairs earlier, might get stopped

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

To be honest I’m torn on this subject.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

To be honest I’m torn on this subject.

I understand using the stuff where it is most needed – I don’t understand (nor condone) doing so at the expense of not vaccinating people working with the elderly or in medical settings.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

Got to wonder what is the point of all the advertising of the program.

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

To be honest I’m torn on this subject.

I understand using the stuff where it is most needed – I don’t understand (nor condone) doing so at the expense of not vaccinating people working with the elderly or in medical settings.

Yurp i get it, i do. What if people where it is most needed work with the elderly or in medical setting but haven’t had it yet?

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

To be honest I’m torn on this subject.

I understand using the stuff where it is most needed – I don’t understand (nor condone) doing so at the expense of not vaccinating people working with the elderly or in medical settings.

Yurp i get it, i do. What if people where it is most needed work with the elderly or in medical setting but haven’t had it yet?

so thank fuck the other states didn’t generously dump their doses to save NSW from their own shot eh

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

To be honest I’m torn on this subject.

I understand using the stuff where it is most needed – I don’t understand (nor condone) doing so at the expense of not vaccinating people working with the elderly or in medical settings.

because students need to do their HSC half vaccinated, get to superspreader assessment halls, maximise the chance of evolving breakthrough variants, more profits to drug companies, Economy Must Grow, win

SCIENCE said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

dv said:

buffy said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccination-appointments-cancelled/100341212

I shall offer no comment.

To be honest I’m torn on this subject.

I understand using the stuff where it is most needed – I don’t understand (nor condone) doing so at the expense of not vaccinating people working with the elderly or in medical settings.

Got to wonder what is the point of all the advertising of the program.

Yurp i get it, i do. What if people where it is most needed work with the elderly or in medical setting but haven’t had it yet?

because students need to do their HSC half vaccinated, get to superspreader assessment halls, maximise the chance of evolving breakthrough variants, more profits to drug companies, Economy Must Grow, win

in case there was any doubt

SCIENCE said:

Translation:

‘I’m the Premier, and i have NFI as to what to do.’

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Translation:

‘I’m the Premier, and i have NFI as to what to do.’

Another translation:

“Don’t look there (infections), look here (vaccinations).”

I still suspect (without solid evidence) harbours an ambition to move to the Federal sphere of politics.

Given her recent run of pooch-screwing decisions with their potential cost in State votes, that seems less likely, on one hand.

On the other hand, her proven ability to stuff things up raises her profile as a potential front-bencher in a Morrison-type government.

captain_spalding said:

I still suspect (without solid evidence) harbours an ambition to move to the Federal sphere of politics.

Given her recent run of pooch-screwing decisions with their potential cost in State votes, that seems less likely, on one hand.

On the other hand, her proven ability to stuff things up raises her profile as a potential front-bencher in a Morrison-type government.

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/queensland-brisbane-woman-with-who-flew-to-rockhampton-covid/100336532

just watching the first video there, don’t entirely agree with what is said 1min:20sec – 1:30, I think it’s a simplification to the point of inclining a misunderstanding

what is ‘smart’ of a replicator, of the structure, and is it any less smart because of replication errors, given humans arrived at being humans by a lot of errors, and even if replication is meant to be quite high fidelity aren’t the errors (possibility of) a feature of replication potential, an essential attribute, the structure generates them, is likely to generate them, the existing structure strongly influences what errors are likely, and likely to replicate

if you took smart to be intelligence, and intelligence to be the resources brought to bear in overcoming obstacles in the pursuit of goals, there is this question of goals, like are human goals ultimately any better, any more intelligent than a virus

I mean is it possible humans have more in common with a virus than might be comfortably recognized, or acknowledged

does a virus have any less idea of the purpose of life than the average human does?

transition said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/queensland-brisbane-woman-with-who-flew-to-rockhampton-covid/100336532

just watching the first video there, don’t entirely agree with what is said 1min:20sec – 1:30, I think it’s a simplification to the point of inclining a misunderstanding

what is ‘smart’ of a replicator, of the structure, and is it any less smart because of replication errors, given humans arrived at being humans by a lot of errors, and even if replication is meant to be quite high fidelity aren’t the errors (possibility of) a feature of replication potential, an essential attribute, the structure generates them, is likely to generate them, the existing structure strongly influences what errors are likely, and likely to replicate

if you took smart to be intelligence, and intelligence to be the resources brought to bear in overcoming obstacles in the pursuit of goals, there is this question of goals, like are human goals ultimately any better, any more intelligent than a virus

I mean is it possible humans have more in common with a virus than might be comfortably recognized, or acknowledged

does a virus have any less idea of the purpose of life than the average human does?

this one, then yes

to be fair the dodgy messaging you refer to (yeah we agree) does just seem to be a consequence of anthropomorphism gone too far

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/queensland-brisbane-woman-with-who-flew-to-rockhampton-covid/100336532

just watching the first video there, don’t entirely agree with what is said 1min:20sec – 1:30, I think it’s a simplification to the point of inclining a misunderstanding

what is ‘smart’ of a replicator, of the structure, and is it any less smart because of replication errors, given humans arrived at being humans by a lot of errors, and even if replication is meant to be quite high fidelity aren’t the errors (possibility of) a feature of replication potential, an essential attribute, the structure generates them, is likely to generate them, the existing structure strongly influences what errors are likely, and likely to replicate

if you took smart to be intelligence, and intelligence to be the resources brought to bear in overcoming obstacles in the pursuit of goals, there is this question of goals, like are human goals ultimately any better, any more intelligent than a virus

I mean is it possible humans have more in common with a virus than might be comfortably recognized, or acknowledged

does a virus have any less idea of the purpose of life than the average human does?

this one, then yes

to be fair the dodgy messaging you refer to (yeah we agree) does just seem to be a consequence of anthropomorphism gone too far

If only Delta was one of the reporters for nein.

QLD: 13 new cases; total 31 in this outbreak.

SE QLD lockdown extended until at least Sunday.

Ekka (Agricultural Exhibition) cancelled.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/covid-live-blog-news-nsw-lockdown-qld-outbreak-press-conference/100341522

Michael V said:

QLD: 13 new cases; total 31 in this outbreak.

SE QLD lockdown extended until at least Sunday.

Ekka (Agricultural Exhibition) cancelled.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/covid-live-blog-news-nsw-lockdown-qld-outbreak-press-conference/100341522

Serves you right for having a border with NSW…oh…wait.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

QLD: 13 new cases; total 31 in this outbreak.

SE QLD lockdown extended until at least Sunday.

Ekka (Agricultural Exhibition) cancelled.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/covid-live-blog-news-nsw-lockdown-qld-outbreak-press-conference/100341522

Serves you right for having a border with NSW…oh…wait.

LOL

Victoria: 2 local cases (all linked to current outbreak and in quarantine throughout infectious period).

Well done Victoria!

:)

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

QLD: 13 new cases; total 31 in this outbreak.

SE QLD lockdown extended until at least Sunday.

Ekka (Agricultural Exhibition) cancelled.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/covid-live-blog-news-nsw-lockdown-qld-outbreak-press-conference/100341522

Serves you right for having a border with NSW…oh…wait.

LOL

Victoria: 2 local cases (all linked to current outbreak and in quarantine throughout infectious period).

Well done Victoria!

:)

Dictator Dan > Gladys the Terrible.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/shane-warne-has-covid-19-uk-cricket-club-says/100341940

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/shane-warne-has-covid-19-uk-cricket-club-says/100341940

Thoughts and prayers.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Yurp i get it, i do. What if people where it is most needed work with the elderly or in medical setting but haven’t had it yet?

because students need to do their HSC half vaccinated, get to superspreader assessment halls, maximise the chance of evolving breakthrough variants, more profits to drug companies, Economy Must Grow, win

in case there was any doubt

ah, NSW ahead of the curve yet again

How can we open up in NSW if children aren’t vaccinated?

Reporter: The goal is for 80 per cent of adults to be vaccinated. There is no plan about children. How do we come out of lock down and open up and live freely if under 16s aren’t vaccinated?

Ms Berejiklian: “That is based on the health advice. It tells us that unlike the flu, where children mainly get it and spread it amongst themselves and others, with COVID, the health expert advice tells us that people aged between 20-40 are those greatest at risk of getting and spreading the virus. “We are basing this on Dr Chant’s advice but also the advice come out of the experts through National Cabinet. The targets they have set for us, are coincidentally are the targets that Dr Chant provided me months ago. “Once you have 80 per cent of the adult population vaccinated, you can look forward to living life freely and keeping the case numbers at a manageable level.

…

Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says 10 of today’s 15 new community cases are children aged under 10 as NSW records its 15th death from the latest coronavirus outbreak.

…

Which workplaces are we seeing COVID transmission take place in?

Reporter: And you have mentioned up to 30 cases in some workplaces. How are you working with those industries perhaps to help them tackle that transmission?

Dr Chant: “We have recognised a number of industries and they are probably reflective of the ones that are necessary to keep us as a city going.” “For instance, freight is an example. That’s generated a large number of cases in some freight businesses. We have had smaller outbreaks in tiny work place settings. We have also had incursions, or positive cases in food processing distribution units.

ah they didn’t mention schooling, schools must be safe then

oh wait they are, that’s because they had school holidays and then straight into learning from home, wait

Margaret the mad sent me this tiktok.

https://www.tiktok.com/@dontlookbackinanger9/video/6991382312525106437

I dont seem to be able google a slamming response.

transition said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/queensland-brisbane-woman-with-who-flew-to-rockhampton-covid/100336532

just watching the first video there, don’t entirely agree with what is said 1min:20sec – 1:30, I think it’s a simplification to the point of inclining a misunderstanding

what is ‘smart’ of a replicator, of the structure, and is it any less smart because of replication errors, given humans arrived at being humans by a lot of errors, and even if replication is meant to be quite high fidelity aren’t the errors (possibility of) a feature of replication potential, an essential attribute, the structure generates them, is likely to generate them, the existing structure strongly influences what errors are likely, and likely to replicate

if you took smart to be intelligence, and intelligence to be the resources brought to bear in overcoming obstacles in the pursuit of goals, there is this question of goals, like are human goals ultimately any better, any more intelligent than a virus

I mean is it possible humans have more in common with a virus than might be comfortably recognized, or acknowledged

does a virus have any less idea of the purpose of life than the average human does?

anyway, more to the point, I think it would be silly to dismiss there being any or much structural ‘smart’ in whatever DNA or RNA, there is functional smart in just the encoding involved alone

the reality is there is a level of complexity in a virus, information compression, involves accumulated structure, adaptive structure, that probably well exceeds the complexity of many peoples understanding of the biological world, or even the physics of the world more broadly

the jury is still out regard how smart humans are, they would appear on the face of it to not be as indifferent as a virus, though it maybe that humans are more clever at steering the indifference, even dressing it up as other things

for the moment it appears there are many arsonists selling fire extinguishers, for want of a better way of putting it

NSW: 207 new local COVID-19 cases and the 15th death from the Delta outbreak which started in June.

Eighty-nine cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 21 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Fifty-one cases were infectious in the community, and the isolation status of 46 cases remains under investigation.

(ie: Potentially 118 cases in the community.)

A man in his 90s from south-west Sydney died yesterday in Liverpool Hospital. He had received one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine in April.
The man’s death is linked to an outbreak at Liverpool Hospital and he is the 15th fatality during the current outbreak.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/nsw-records-207-covid-cases/100341664

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

because students need to do their HSC half vaccinated, get to superspreader assessment halls, maximise the chance of evolving breakthrough variants, more profits to drug companies, Economy Must Grow, win

in case there was any doubt

ah, NSW ahead of the curve yet again

How can we open up in NSW if children aren’t vaccinated?

Reporter: The goal is for 80 per cent of adults to be vaccinated. There is no plan about children. How do we come out of lock down and open up and live freely if under 16s aren’t vaccinated?

Ms Berejiklian: “That is based on the health advice. It tells us that unlike the flu, where children mainly get it and spread it amongst themselves and others, with COVID, the health expert advice tells us that people aged between 20-40 are those greatest at risk of getting and spreading the virus. “We are basing this on Dr Chant’s advice but also the advice come out of the experts through National Cabinet. The targets they have set for us, are coincidentally are the targets that Dr Chant provided me months ago. “Once you have 80 per cent of the adult population vaccinated, you can look forward to living life freely and keeping the case numbers at a manageable level.

…

Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says 10 of today’s 15 new community cases are children aged under 10 as NSW records its 15th death from the latest coronavirus outbreak.

…

Which workplaces are we seeing COVID transmission take place in?

Reporter: And you have mentioned up to 30 cases in some workplaces. How are you working with those industries perhaps to help them tackle that transmission?

Dr Chant: “We have recognised a number of industries and they are probably reflective of the ones that are necessary to keep us as a city going.” “For instance, freight is an example. That’s generated a large number of cases in some freight businesses. We have had smaller outbreaks in tiny work place settings. We have also had incursions, or positive cases in food processing distribution units.

ah they didn’t mention schooling, schools must be safe then

oh wait they are, that’s because they had school holidays and then straight into learning from home, wait

I don’t think any of the testing of any of the vaccines included children in the trials. Children’s bodies are a bit different from adults. This needs to be considered.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/20-covid19-cases-linked-aged-care-home-summer-hill/100342516

Deja vu.

Peter Dutton has to stay home.

:)

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

in case there was any doubt

ah, NSW ahead of the curve yet again

How can we open up in NSW if children aren’t vaccinated?

Reporter: The goal is for 80 per cent of adults to be vaccinated. There is no plan about children. How do we come out of lock down and open up and live freely if under 16s aren’t vaccinated?

Ms Berejiklian: “That is based on the health advice. It tells us that unlike the flu, where children mainly get it and spread it amongst themselves and others, with COVID, the health expert advice tells us that people aged between 20-40 are those greatest at risk of getting and spreading the virus. “We are basing this on Dr Chant’s advice but also the advice come out of the experts through National Cabinet. The targets they have set for us, are coincidentally are the targets that Dr Chant provided me months ago. “Once you have 80 per cent of the adult population vaccinated, you can look forward to living life freely and keeping the case numbers at a manageable level.

…

Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says 10 of today’s 15 new community cases are children aged under 10 as NSW records its 15th death from the latest coronavirus outbreak.

…

Which workplaces are we seeing COVID transmission take place in?

Reporter: And you have mentioned up to 30 cases in some workplaces. How are you working with those industries perhaps to help them tackle that transmission?

Dr Chant: “We have recognised a number of industries and they are probably reflective of the ones that are necessary to keep us as a city going.” “For instance, freight is an example. That’s generated a large number of cases in some freight businesses. We have had smaller outbreaks in tiny work place settings. We have also had incursions, or positive cases in food processing distribution units.

ah they didn’t mention schooling, schools must be safe then

oh wait they are, that’s because they had school holidays and then straight into learning from home, wait

I don’t think any of the testing of any of the vaccines included children in the trials. Children’s bodies are a bit different from adults. This needs to be considered.

oh don’t worry about that, we can remind you now that before vaccines there were many countries that eliminated COVID-19 time and again, we’re well aware that shooting teenagers is neither necessary nor sufficient

it might help, certainly, but there are probably bigger priorities

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/20-covid19-cases-linked-aged-care-home-summer-hill/100342516

Deja vu.

so, state or federal responsibility ¿

Decisive Action

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-02/south-east-qld-schools-reduce-onsite-staff-during-lockdown/100342934

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

SCIENCE said:

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

Once all those who choose to be vaccinated have been jabbed it is only natural that society is opened up again. Imposing on others takes many forms

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

Once all those who choose to be vaccinated have been jabbed it is only natural that society is opened up again. Imposing on others takes many forms

you’re right, their body, their choice, pity about the newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds who will become just bodies because of someone else’s choice

no actually make that, we should let newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds decide for themselves whether to get shot

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

Once all those who choose to be vaccinated have been jabbed it is only natural that society is opened up again. Imposing on others takes many forms

you’re right, their body, their choice, pity about the newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds who will become just bodies because of someone else’s choice

no actually make that, we should let newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds decide for themselves whether to get shot

Did you have an actual argument there?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Once all those who choose to be vaccinated have been jabbed it is only natural that society is opened up again. Imposing on others takes many forms

you’re right, their body, their choice, pity about the newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds who will become just bodies because of someone else’s choice

no actually make that, we should let newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds decide for themselves whether to get shot

Did you have an actual argument there?

no, we have facts, so you can keep your rhetoric

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

you’re right, their body, their choice, pity about the newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds who will become just bodies because of someone else’s choice

no actually make that, we should let newborns and 2 monthers and 4 monthers and 6 monthers and 12 monthers and 18 monthers and 4 year olds decide for themselves whether to get shot

Did you have an actual argument there?

no, we have facts, so you can keep your rhetoric

Heh. Have i actually managed to shut you up?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Did you have an actual argument there?

no, we have facts, so you can keep your rhetoric

Heh. Have i actually managed to shut you up?

you’ve managed to confirm that we don’t play rhetoric so you could say our answer to

“have you stopped beating your rhetorical drum yet”

is “no”

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

no, we have facts, so you can keep your rhetoric

Heh. Have i actually managed to shut you up?

you’ve managed to confirm that we don’t play rhetoric so you could say our answer to

“have you stopped beating your rhetorical drum yet”

is “no”

I don’t even know what that means. I’ll end with chastising both extremes of the ‘lockdowns never’ and ‘lockdowns forever’ crowds and stick with the sensible centre.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Heh. Have i actually managed to shut you up?

you’ve managed to confirm that we don’t play rhetoric so you could say our answer to

“have you stopped beating your rhetorical drum yet”

is “no”

I don’t even know what that means. I’ll end with chastising both extremes of the ‘lockdowns never’ and ‘lockdowns forever’ crowds and stick with the sensible centre.

What’s the average of zero and infinity, or if you like, nearly infinitesimal and nearly infinite ¿

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

you’ve managed to confirm that we don’t play rhetoric so you could say our answer to

“have you stopped beating your rhetorical drum yet”

is “no”

I don’t even know what that means. I’ll end with chastising both extremes of the ‘lockdowns never’ and ‘lockdowns forever’ crowds and stick with the sensible centre.

What’s the average of zero and infinity, or if you like, nearly infinitesimal and nearly infinite ¿

Half of nearly infinite.

Which may or may not be nearly infinite.

I’m pretty sure that the average of zero and infinity would be infinity.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t even know what that means. I’ll end with chastising both extremes of the ‘lockdowns never’ and ‘lockdowns forever’ crowds and stick with the sensible centre.

What’s the average of zero and infinity, or if you like, nearly infinitesimal and nearly infinite ¿

Half of nearly infinite.

Which may or may not be nearly infinite.

I’m pretty sure that the average of zero and infinity would be infinity.

wait are we saying that appeal to moderation is fallacious

SCIENCE said:

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

didn’t bother reading it all, reluctant to patronize covid terrorists or whatever they are, how many people did they sacrifice, is it 130,000, that’s just the dead, killed their own for freedom, some might argue

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

didn’t bother reading it all, reluctant to patronize covid terrorists or whatever they are, how many people did they sacrifice, is it 130,000, that’s just the dead, killed their own for freedom, some might argue

pftf they were all going to die anyway, they all had pre-existing conditions, and anyone who didn’t die but was left with chronic illness (probably only like 3000000 useless people) is just malingering

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Government Must Not Impose Restrictions On Citizens But It’s Only Right That Risk Seekers Impose Their Preferred Threat Level On Others

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain-is-now-living-with-covid-and-australia-must-too-20210801-p58etl.html

didn’t bother reading it all, reluctant to patronize covid terrorists or whatever they are, how many people did they sacrifice, is it 130,000, that’s just the dead, killed their own for freedom, some might argue

pftf they were all going to die anyway, they all had pre-existing conditions, and anyone who didn’t die but was left with chronic illness (probably only like 3000000 useless people) is just malingering

plenty covid terrorists on the electric rectangle I reckon, the idea of a contagion appeals to them, like an arsonist wants to light a fire, and the peculiar psychopathy in this case extends to selling people fire extinguishers, so people, by some hoodoo of associationism, eventually love fire extinguishers and more

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s the average of zero and infinity, or if you like, nearly infinitesimal and nearly infinite ¿

Half of nearly infinite.

Which may or may not be nearly infinite.

I’m pretty sure that the average of zero and infinity would be infinity.

wait are we saying that appeal to moderation is fallacious

Not at all.

It is with near infinite certainty we can say we are not saying that.

Brigidine College said a chorister who attended an Australian Girls’ Choir (AGC) rehearsal at the school’s Indooroopilly campus on Wednesday night had tested positive.

—

open mouths

shut mouths

ABC News:

‘Queensland tourists cautioned after failing to quarantine in Tasmania

By James Dunlevie
Four tourists from Queensland are among five people officially cautioned after failing to comply with Tasmania’s COVID-19 requirements.’

Smack ‘em with a rolled-up newspaper.

It’s the only thing they understand.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Queensland tourists cautioned after failing to quarantine in Tasmania

By James Dunlevie
Four tourists from Queensland are among five people officially cautioned after failing to comply with Tasmania’s COVID-19 requirements.’

Smack ‘em with a rolled-up newspaper.

It’s the only thing they understand.

yeah smack em hard.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Queensland tourists cautioned after failing to quarantine in Tasmania

By James Dunlevie
Four tourists from Queensland are among five people officially cautioned after failing to comply with Tasmania’s COVID-19 requirements.’

Smack ‘em with a rolled-up newspaper.

It’s the only thing they understand.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Queensland tourists cautioned after failing to quarantine in Tasmania

By James Dunlevie
Four tourists from Queensland are among five people officially cautioned after failing to comply with Tasmania’s COVID-19 requirements.’

Smack ‘em with a rolled-up newspaper.

It’s the only thing they understand.

SCIENCE said:

Brigidine College said a chorister who attended an Australian Girls’ Choir (AGC) rehearsal at the school’s Indooroopilly campus on Wednesday night had tested positive.

—

open mouths

shut mouths

If they hummed along they wouldn’t have spread it around so much.

This is where humming has more advantages than singing.

You can Leave the masks on.

Some next steps for mask development would be designing heppa filter masks with mics and speakers to allow for singing and reporting.

Age is the strongest independent COVID-19 risk factor for severe outcomes, followed by chronic disease (Australian Government, 2020a; CDNA, 2021)

not included with bristles: actual denial of claim

Ms Berejiklian bristled at a question suggesting vaccines were being diverted from Labor strongholds on the Central Coast and being sent to Greater Sydney to vaccinate year 12 students. “That question offends me,” she said. “We are doing what is in the best interest of public health. Can I stress how important it is for us to get year 12 students able to complete their HSC exams and make sure that they have those qualifications they have worked hard for. “There are 8 million citizens in NSW and we are all making a sacrifice.”

because we’re stupid (or stoned or smashed or sleepposting), simple question you can all answer for us

if you get R below 1 then COVID-19 goes to zero (OMG can’t have that, you need some around for The Economy Must Grow right), and then you’re done unless some idiot imports more

if you get R above 1 then COVID-19 goes to infinity (OMG we love it we need to Cull The Weak and when there is nobody left The Economy Must Grow by itself somehow), but at least you didn’t have to put any effort in forever

the question

why then do so many jokers insist on aiming for the middle ground between {a finite time before zero} and {infinity COVID-19 forever}, as in {finite COVID-19 forever}, which takes a maximum of effort to keep R at exactly 1, for an arbitrarily long time ¿

how about more fun stuff, has this one been posted yet

(it’s the communists at SBS so make of this ocialist ull hit what you will)

Sydney hospital allegedly instructs staff to breach COVID-19 self-isolation to come to work

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sydney-hospital-allegedly-instructs-staff-to-breach-covid-19-self-isolation-to-come-to-work

It’s been claimed that executives at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital asked staff to continue to come to work despite being identified as close COVID-19 contacts. Amid rising COVID-19 cases in NSW, new accusations have surfaced that staff at a Sydney hospital were expected to come to work despite being identified as close contacts of a positive case. SBS News has been told that numerous staff members at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney’s inner west were identified as close contacts of a COVID-19 case at the hospital’s emergency department, but were told to continue working. This was despite a clear public health order which required them to isolate. SBS News understands the infectious diseases control unit at the hospital has since intervened and overruled the decision of RPA executives.

No Cover Up Here, No Dodgy Stuff To Make It Look Like Health System Copes With 200 Cases Per Day, None At All

Pfizer Inc and Moderna Inc have raised the prices of their COVID-19 vaccines in their latest European Union supply contracts, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

Let’s Recognize Childhood COVID as the Crisis It Is

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93055

nah let’s Let It Rip For The Economy Must Grow and everyone born after 2005 can fuck off

LESS THAN 200 CASES IN SYDNEY

sibeen said:

LESS THAN 200 CASES IN SYDNEY

Gold staphdard

dv said:

sibeen said:

LESS THAN 200 CASES IN SYDNEY

Gold staphdard

dv said:

sibeen said:

LESS THAN 200 CASES IN SYDNEY

Gold staphdard

Are there any numbers on how many of the recent surge were due to people standing up for their right to be stupid arseholes the previous weekend?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

LESS THAN 200 CASES IN SYDNEY

Gold staphdard

Are there any numbers on how many of the recent surge were due to people standing up for their right to be stupid arseholes the previous weekend?

0 of them will get tested

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Gold staphdard

Are there any numbers on how many of the recent surge were due to people standing up for their right to be stupid arseholes the previous weekend?

0 of them will get tested

Unless they end up in hospital?

The comments about people rocking up to hospitals dead do make one wonder about how many cases are being missed…

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are there any numbers on how many of the recent surge were due to people standing up for their right to be stupid arseholes the previous weekend?

0 of them will get tested

Unless they end up in hospital?

The comments about people rocking up to hospitals dead do make one wonder about how many cases are being missed…

^

Earlier, chief health officer Kerry Chant expressed dismay that some COVID-19 cases were waiting too long to seek medical care and that had resulted in severe illness and even death. “We’ve had a number of people that are presenting to hospital severely unwell and sometimes dead,” she said “There shouldn’t be any barriers to people ringing an ambulance and coming to healthcare.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/nsw-suspends-elective-surgery-as-covid-19-outbreak-grows/100338986

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

North Shore?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/covid-19-vaccine-data-highest-lowest-rates-country/100344874

Bendigo currently has the highest first-dose vaccination rate in the country.(ABC News: Andrew Altree-Williams)

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

North Shore?

“North Sydney and Hornsby” to use the wording in the pdf.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

North Shore?

“North Sydney and Hornsby” to use the wording in the pdf.

Yeah.. I did know that..

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

Didn’t bother scrolling down to Victoria :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

Didn’t bother scrolling down to Victoria :)

Who cares? They are all Mexicans south of the border. ;)

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

Didn’t bother scrolling down to Victoria :)

Gold standard :)

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/covid-19-vaccine-data-highest-lowest-rates-country/100344874

Bendigo currently has the highest first-dose vaccination rate in the country.(ABC News: Andrew Altree-Williams)

OK, but we’re winning for what really matters.

Not that it’s a race or anything.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/covid-19-vaccine-data-highest-lowest-rates-country/100344874

Bendigo currently has the highest first-dose vaccination rate in the country.(ABC News: Andrew Altree-Williams)

OK, but we’re winning for what really matters.

Not that it’s a race or anything.

Perhaps it should be a competition, then it might be over before a scoreless soccer match?

My neighbours are doing okay, 49% one dose, 24% fully

dv said:

My neighbours are doing okay, 49% one dose, 24% fully

43.5% and 18.7% here but hey, it covers a fair bit of NSW with a lot less people in it.

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians. We helped him though.

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians. We helped him though.

*turns him off.

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians

Spiritually?

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians

Spiritually?

He’s sung us to heaven.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians

Spiritually?

Australia’s response to Covid.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians

Spiritually?

Australia’s response to Covid.

Our government.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians

Spiritually?

He’s sung us to heaven.

I just had my old next door neighbour visit. Like I’ve known him since I was 13. He took one of my comments mean that yeah God or whatever you call it, gave me an immune system and that’s mine and no one is going to fuck with it.
I had to say. “ no Max, that’s not what I meant at all. Your immune system has no defences against this one and your nieces and nephhews children are not goiing to be able to see you unless you pollute your immune system with this virus, the safe way”.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

Bendigo has higher ‘one dose’ figures.

It really doesn’t tell you much when you don’t know the vaccines availability in an area.

The rates look low in some areas with higher Aboriginal populations. I thought that was something they were trying to hammer.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

My neighbours are doing okay, 49% one dose, 24% fully

43.5% and 18.7% here but hey, it covers a fair bit of NSW with a lot less people in it.

Looks like all forum members are well above average at getting vaccinated anyway.

The boss lady is going for her first pfizer hit today

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

heh

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

heh

good

dv said:

My neighbours are doing okay, 49% one dose, 24% fully

What’s so special about Mandurah, I wonder? Could be the high proportion of retirees that live there got their vaccines early.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians

Spiritually?

Australia’s response to Covid.

Our government.

He’s sung us to heaven.

I just had my old next door neighbour visit. Like I’ve known him since I was 13. He took one of my comments mean that yeah God or whatever you call it, gave me an immune system and that’s mine and no one is going to fuck with it.
I had to say. “ no Max, that’s not what I meant at all. Your immune system has no defences against this one and your nieces and nephhews children are not goiing to be able to see you unless you pollute your immune system with this virus, the safe way”.

to be fair they’ve contributed to saving 25000000 Australians

sarahs mum said:

Scotty has saved 30,000 Australians. We helped him though.

Praise the Lord!. Hallelujah!

dv said:

The boss lady is going for her first pfizer hit today

Senior sprog is booked in for her’s today as well.

It makes sense if those 30000 vote Liberal and no one else does, that’s fair.

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

Reminds me of the posters, What if they gave a war and nobody came?

COVID case confirmed in Cairns

A COVID-19 case has been confirmed in far north Queensland.

Queensland Health says the infected person lives in the Cairns region.

It’s not yet known what strain of the virus the person has or how it was contracted.

Guess that local lockdown shit works well then.

SCIENCE said:

Let’s Recognize Childhood COVID as the Crisis It Is

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93055

nah let’s Let It Rip For The Economy Must Grow and everyone born after 2005 can fuck off

read that and a few others, various sources

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-pm-says-vaccinations-alone-will-not-end-sydneys-covid-19-lockdown-2021-07-28/
then ended up here^

cause for a reminder (perhaps contradicting their angle) that lockdowns do work, have worked, will continue to work, work very well, saved many lives, prevented illness, and of the situation today in NSW the lockdown is preventing the spread of the virus very effectively

just need crush it back to zero, with the help of vaccines, you don’t vaccinate people and let covid go wild, or to let it go wild

“Delta is a warning”: WHO concerned new COVID-19 variants will emerge

New modeling suggests high levels of virus in a community alongside vaccination rates of around 60 percent may be the ideal scenario for new vaccine-resistant variants to emerge

As the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 continues to sweep the globe some countries are dropping pandemic restrictions despite having only moderate rates of vaccination. With the World Health Organization warning Delta could be just the beginning of the virus’s evolution a new modeling study indicates high levels of virus transmission in conjunction with middling vaccination rates may be the ideal scenario for new variants to emerge.

In the space of about six weeks the Delta variant went from accounting for around 10 percent of all COVID-19 cases in the United States, to a stunning 83 percent of new cases. The increasing predominance of the Delta variant in the US was not unexpected, but the rapid pace of its spread was recently described as “troubling” by Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention.

While there are an increasing number of breakthrough COVID-19 infections being reported in vaccinated people, the vaccines are still powerfully effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, says current vaccines offer a 25-fold reduction in the risk of severe COVID-19 and hospitalization against the Delta variant.

So vaccines still work, but not enough people are vaccinated yet according to infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci. Currently only around 50 percent of the US population is fully vaccinated, with rates varying dramatically from state to state. Alabama and Mississippi, for example, have only fully vaccinated around 35 percent of their population, while Massachusetts, Connecticut and Maine are all in the mid-60s.

As restrictions such as social distancing and mask-wearing return to a number of US states Fauci says he doesn’t believe lockdowns will be necessary to get on top of this current wave. But he does point out higher rates of vaccination are the only long-term solution.

“So we’re looking, not, I believe, to lockdown, but we’re looking to some pain and suffering in the future because we’re seeing the cases go up, which is the reason why we keep saying over and over again, the solution to this is get vaccinated and this would not be happening,” he said recently on ABC news.

And in the meantime, as vaccination rates in poorer countries remain worryingly low due to unequal distribution, the World Health Organization is issuing a warning to countries beginning to reduce restrictions.

“Delta is a warning: it’s a warning that the virus is evolving but it is also a call to action that we need to move now before more dangerous variants emerge,” says Michael Ryan, the WHO’s director of emergencies. “The virus has got fitter, the virus has got faster. The game plan still works, but we need to implement and execute our game plan much more efficiently and much more effectively than we’ve ever done before.”

Ryan stresses our 2020 prevention strategies – such as masking, social distancing and avoiding busy indoor unventilated spaces – are still effective against the Delta variant. And they must continue alongside vaccination in order to reduce transmission and limit the emergence of new variants.

A new study published in the journal Scientific Reports has modeled the likelihood of a vaccine-resistant strain of SARS-CoV-2 emerging. It found the optimal environment for such a variant to emerge is when there is a high level of viral transmission in a moderately vaccinated population. The models indicate the vaccination rate sweet spot for the emergence of a dangerous new variant would be around 60 percent.

Peter English, past chair of the British Medical Association’s Public Health Medicine Committee, notes it is always wise to view modeling studies with caution. However, he also believes this new study to be robust and consistent with other research.

“… in a relatively unvaccinated population, vaccine escape variants will have little competitive advantage, and are unlikely to become prevalent,” explains English, who did not work on the new study. “In moderately- or highly-vaccinated populations, however, variants that can still be transmitted to and by fully vaccinated people will have a considerable competitive advantage.”

The problem with many regions in the world dropping pandemic restrictions before a greater amount of people are vaccinated, according to English, is simple. More virus in a community means more vaccinated individuals will be infected, and this means there’s a greater opportunity for vaccine-escape variants to spread.

Nick Davies, an expert in mathematical modeling from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says despite there being much uncertainty in the modeling, these results make sense.

“Every country should do their part to avoid creating fertile grounds for viral evolution where possible, which, thankfully, is a goal largely in alignment with public health and economic goals, as they all involve controlling transmission,” says Davies, who did not work on this new study. “But ultimately, dealing with the emergence of a vaccine escape strain is really a global issue, not a national one; as soon as a vaccine escape mutant emerges somewhere, it becomes everybody’s problem.”

The new research does not advocate for lockdowns in vaccinated populations, but rather it presents a range of non-pharmaceutical measures that should be in place until transmission has been reduced in a given community. Alongside masking and social distancing the study recommends considering widespread testing and genomic surveillance, and rigorous contact tracing to help isolate infected subjects and restrict further transmission.

Ultimately, the researchers are in line with WHO statements reminding us the only solution is evenly dispersed vaccination across the entire world.

“Without global coordination, vaccine resistant strains may be eliminated in some populations but could persist in others,” the new research concludes. “Thus, a truly global vaccination effort may be necessary to reduce the chances of a global spread of a resistant strain.”

The new study was published in the journal Scientific Reports.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/delta-warning-coronavirus-variants-emerge-vaccine-who/

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s Recognize Childhood COVID as the Crisis It Is

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93055

nah let’s Let It Rip For The Economy Must Grow and everyone born after 2005 can fuck off

read that and a few others, various sources

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-pm-says-vaccinations-alone-will-not-end-sydneys-covid-19-lockdown-2021-07-28/
then ended up here^

cause for a reminder (perhaps contradicting their angle) that lockdowns do work, have worked, will continue to work, work very well, saved many lives, prevented illness, and of the situation today in NSW the lockdown is preventing the spread of the virus very effectively

just need crush it back to zero, with the help of vaccines, you don’t vaccinate people and let covid go wild, or to let it go wild

interestingly enough despite the words in the link address, the article mentions none similar

Sydney records 239 COVID-19 cases in 24 hours 300 military personnel to aid police Troops to aid enforcement of lockdown Sydney lockdown threatens second recession

SYDNEY, July 29 (Reuters) – Australia’s military will help enforce a lockdown in Sydney after the city of 6 million posted a record daily rise in COVID-19 cases on Thursday and state authorities said the outbreak was likely to get worse.

The lockdown of Australia’s biggest city has increased pressure on Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who is now trailing in opinion polls, and heightened concern that Australia’s A$2 trillion ($1.5 trillion) economy could slide into recession.

Despite an extended lockdown in Sydney since an outbreak of the highly infectious Delta variant, 239 new locally acquired coronavirus cases were recorded in the city over a 24-hour period, the biggest daily rise since the pandemic began.

“We can only assume that things are likely to get worse before they get better given the quantity of people infectious in the community,” said Gladys Berejiklian, the premier of New South Wales state, of which Sydney is the capital.

Berejiklian said one new death took the toll from the latest outbreak to 13 and the national total was now 921.

With little sign that of restrictions reducing infections, Berejiklian said new curbs would be imposed on the southwestern and western areas of Sydney where the majority of COVID-19 cases are being found.

Residents there will be forced to wear masks outdoors and to stay within five km (three miles) of their homes.

With even tighter restrictions set to begin on Friday, New South Wales Police said it had asked for 300 military personnel to help enforce lockdown orders.

The personnel will deploy on Friday, Defence Minister Peter Dutton said, and will begin assisting police with ensuring compliance with restrictions next week.

LOCKDOWN EXTENDED

Berejiklian extended the Sydney lockdown by another month on Wednesday.

New South Wales accounts for over a third of Australia’s economy. Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said he expected the national economy to shrink in the September quarter but the ability to avoid a technical recession would depend on whether New South Wales can avoid a longer lockdown.

“With respect to the December quarter, that does depend to a large extent how successful New South Wales, our largest state economy, is in getting on top of this virus,” Frydenberg told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.

Berejiklian has said restrictions need to remain as too few people in Sydney are vaccinated amid tight supplies of the Pfizer (PFE.N)/BioNTech (22UAy.DE) vaccine, with which Australia had hoped to inoculate everyone under 60 years old.

All adults in Sydney have been urged to seek an AstraZeneca (AZN.L) vaccine. Some, citing rare blood clots, are reluctant and would prefer to wait several months when Australia is expected to receive additional Pfizer supplies.

PermeateFree said:

“Delta is a warning”: WHO concerned new COVID-19 variants will emerge

New modeling suggests high levels of virus in a community alongside vaccination rates of around 60 percent may be the ideal scenario for new vaccine-resistant variants to emerge

As the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 continues to sweep the globe some countries are dropping pandemic restrictions despite having only moderate rates of vaccination. With the World Health Organization warning Delta could be just the beginning of the virus’s evolution a new modeling study indicates high levels of virus transmission in conjunction with middling vaccination rates may be the ideal scenario for new variants to emerge.

In the space of about six weeks the Delta variant went from accounting for around 10 percent of all COVID-19 cases in the United States, to a stunning 83 percent of new cases. The increasing predominance of the Delta variant in the US was not unexpected, but the rapid pace of its spread was recently described as “troubling” by Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention.

While there are an increasing number of breakthrough COVID-19 infections being reported in vaccinated people, the vaccines are still powerfully effective in preventing hospitalization and death. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, says current vaccines offer a 25-fold reduction in the risk of severe COVID-19 and hospitalization against the Delta variant.

So vaccines still work, but not enough people are vaccinated yet according to infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci. Currently only around 50 percent of the US population is fully vaccinated, with rates varying dramatically from state to state. Alabama and Mississippi, for example, have only fully vaccinated around 35 percent of their population, while Massachusetts, Connecticut and Maine are all in the mid-60s.

As restrictions such as social distancing and mask-wearing return to a number of US states Fauci says he doesn’t believe lockdowns will be necessary to get on top of this current wave. But he does point out higher rates of vaccination are the only long-term solution.

“So we’re looking, not, I believe, to lockdown, but we’re looking to some pain and suffering in the future because we’re seeing the cases go up, which is the reason why we keep saying over and over again, the solution to this is get vaccinated and this would not be happening,” he said recently on ABC news.

And in the meantime, as vaccination rates in poorer countries remain worryingly low due to unequal distribution, the World Health Organization is issuing a warning to countries beginning to reduce restrictions.

“Delta is a warning: it’s a warning that the virus is evolving but it is also a call to action that we need to move now before more dangerous variants emerge,” says Michael Ryan, the WHO’s director of emergencies. “The virus has got fitter, the virus has got faster. The game plan still works, but we need to implement and execute our game plan much more efficiently and much more effectively than we’ve ever done before.”

Ryan stresses our 2020 prevention strategies – such as masking, social distancing and avoiding busy indoor unventilated spaces – are still effective against the Delta variant. And they must continue alongside vaccination in order to reduce transmission and limit the emergence of new variants.

A new study published in the journal Scientific Reports has modeled the likelihood of a vaccine-resistant strain of SARS-CoV-2 emerging. It found the optimal environment for such a variant to emerge is when there is a high level of viral transmission in a moderately vaccinated population. The models indicate the vaccination rate sweet spot for the emergence of a dangerous new variant would be around 60 percent.

Peter English, past chair of the British Medical Association’s Public Health Medicine Committee, notes it is always wise to view modeling studies with caution. However, he also believes this new study to be robust and consistent with other research.

“… in a relatively unvaccinated population, vaccine escape variants will have little competitive advantage, and are unlikely to become prevalent,” explains English, who did not work on the new study. “In moderately- or highly-vaccinated populations, however, variants that can still be transmitted to and by fully vaccinated people will have a considerable competitive advantage.”

The problem with many regions in the world dropping pandemic restrictions before a greater amount of people are vaccinated, according to English, is simple. More virus in a community means more vaccinated individuals will be infected, and this means there’s a greater opportunity for vaccine-escape variants to spread.

Nick Davies, an expert in mathematical modeling from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says despite there being much uncertainty in the modeling, these results make sense.

“Every country should do their part to avoid creating fertile grounds for viral evolution where possible, which, thankfully, is a goal largely in alignment with public health and economic goals, as they all involve controlling transmission,” says Davies, who did not work on this new study. “But ultimately, dealing with the emergence of a vaccine escape strain is really a global issue, not a national one; as soon as a vaccine escape mutant emerges somewhere, it becomes everybody’s problem.”

The new research does not advocate for lockdowns in vaccinated populations, but rather it presents a range of non-pharmaceutical measures that should be in place until transmission has been reduced in a given community. Alongside masking and social distancing the study recommends considering widespread testing and genomic surveillance, and rigorous contact tracing to help isolate infected subjects and restrict further transmission.

Ultimately, the researchers are in line with WHO statements reminding us the only solution is evenly dispersed vaccination across the entire world.

“Without global coordination, vaccine resistant strains may be eliminated in some populations but could persist in others,” the new research concludes. “Thus, a truly global vaccination effort may be necessary to reduce the chances of a global spread of a resistant strain.”

The new study was published in the journal Scientific Reports.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/delta-warning-coronavirus-variants-emerge-vaccine-who/

welcome back and yes it is concerning

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s Recognize Childhood COVID as the Crisis It Is

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93055

nah let’s Let It Rip For The Economy Must Grow and everyone born after 2005 can fuck off

read that and a few others, various sources

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-pm-says-vaccinations-alone-will-not-end-sydneys-covid-19-lockdown-2021-07-28/
then ended up here^

cause for a reminder (perhaps contradicting their angle) that lockdowns do work, have worked, will continue to work, work very well, saved many lives, prevented illness, and of the situation today in NSW the lockdown is preventing the spread of the virus very effectively

just need crush it back to zero, with the help of vaccines, you don’t vaccinate people and let covid go wild, or to let it go wild

interestingly enough despite the words in the link address, the article mentions none similar

Sydney records 239 COVID-19 cases in 24 hours 300 military personnel to aid police Troops to aid enforcement of lockdown Sydney lockdown threatens second recession

SYDNEY, July 29 (Reuters) – Australia’s military will help enforce a lockdown in Sydney after the city of 6 million posted a record daily rise in COVID-19 cases on Thursday and state authorities said the outbreak was likely to get worse.

The lockdown of Australia’s biggest city has increased pressure on Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who is now trailing in opinion polls, and heightened concern that Australia’s A$2 trillion ($1.5 trillion) economy could slide into recession.

Despite an extended lockdown in Sydney since an outbreak of the highly infectious Delta variant, 239 new locally acquired coronavirus cases were recorded in the city over a 24-hour period, the biggest daily rise since the pandemic began.

“We can only assume that things are likely to get worse before they get better given the quantity of people infectious in the community,” said Gladys Berejiklian, the premier of New South Wales state, of which Sydney is the capital.

Berejiklian said one new death took the toll from the latest outbreak to 13 and the national total was now 921.

With little sign that of restrictions reducing infections, Berejiklian said new curbs would be imposed on the southwestern and western areas of Sydney where the majority of COVID-19 cases are being found.

Residents there will be forced to wear masks outdoors and to stay within five km (three miles) of their homes.

With even tighter restrictions set to begin on Friday, New South Wales Police said it had asked for 300 military personnel to help enforce lockdown orders.

The personnel will deploy on Friday, Defence Minister Peter Dutton said, and will begin assisting police with ensuring compliance with restrictions next week.

LOCKDOWN EXTENDED

Berejiklian extended the Sydney lockdown by another month on Wednesday.

New South Wales accounts for over a third of Australia’s economy. Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said he expected the national economy to shrink in the September quarter but the ability to avoid a technical recession would depend on whether New South Wales can avoid a longer lockdown.

“With respect to the December quarter, that does depend to a large extent how successful New South Wales, our largest state economy, is in getting on top of this virus,” Frydenberg told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.

Berejiklian has said restrictions need to remain as too few people in Sydney are vaccinated amid tight supplies of the Pfizer (PFE.N)/BioNTech (22UAy.DE) vaccine, with which Australia had hoped to inoculate everyone under 60 years old.

All adults in Sydney have been urged to seek an AstraZeneca (AZN.L) vaccine. Some, citing rare blood clots, are reluctant and would prefer to wait several months when Australia is expected to receive additional Pfizer supplies.

“…With little sign that of restrictions reducing infections…”

you see that^, in my peculiar internal world that’s a fib, no small fib, now it is probably an idiosyncrasy of mine, i’ll say it is an idiosyncrasy to be safe, that it’s not a fib, but i’d add this, that restrictions are massively reducing infections, if you consider the likely numbers per day (increase) without restrictions, or less effective restrictions

199 cases in the last 24hrs indicates to me, and similar numbers recent, suggests it is well under control, not certain of trending down yet, but not out of control, the prophylactic measures are substantially effective

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

read that and a few others, various sources

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-pm-says-vaccinations-alone-will-not-end-sydneys-covid-19-lockdown-2021-07-28/
then ended up here^

cause for a reminder (perhaps contradicting their angle) that lockdowns do work, have worked, will continue to work, work very well, saved many lives, prevented illness, and of the situation today in NSW the lockdown is preventing the spread of the virus very effectively

just need crush it back to zero, with the help of vaccines, you don’t vaccinate people and let covid go wild, or to let it go wild

interestingly enough despite the words in the link address, the article mentions none similar

Sydney records 239 COVID-19 cases in 24 hours 300 military personnel to aid police Troops to aid enforcement of lockdown Sydney lockdown threatens second recession

SYDNEY, July 29 (Reuters) – Australia’s military will help enforce a lockdown in Sydney after the city of 6 million posted a record daily rise in COVID-19 cases on Thursday and state authorities said the outbreak was likely to get worse.

The lockdown of Australia’s biggest city has increased pressure on Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who is now trailing in opinion polls, and heightened concern that Australia’s A$2 trillion ($1.5 trillion) economy could slide into recession.

Despite an extended lockdown in Sydney since an outbreak of the highly infectious Delta variant, 239 new locally acquired coronavirus cases were recorded in the city over a 24-hour period, the biggest daily rise since the pandemic began.

“We can only assume that things are likely to get worse before they get better given the quantity of people infectious in the community,” said Gladys Berejiklian, the premier of New South Wales state, of which Sydney is the capital.

Berejiklian said one new death took the toll from the latest outbreak to 13 and the national total was now 921.

With little sign that of restrictions reducing infections, Berejiklian said new curbs would be imposed on the southwestern and western areas of Sydney where the majority of COVID-19 cases are being found.

Residents there will be forced to wear masks outdoors and to stay within five km (three miles) of their homes.

With even tighter restrictions set to begin on Friday, New South Wales Police said it had asked for 300 military personnel to help enforce lockdown orders.

The personnel will deploy on Friday, Defence Minister Peter Dutton said, and will begin assisting police with ensuring compliance with restrictions next week.

LOCKDOWN EXTENDED

Berejiklian extended the Sydney lockdown by another month on Wednesday.

New South Wales accounts for over a third of Australia’s economy. Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg said he expected the national economy to shrink in the September quarter but the ability to avoid a technical recession would depend on whether New South Wales can avoid a longer lockdown.

“With respect to the December quarter, that does depend to a large extent how successful New South Wales, our largest state economy, is in getting on top of this virus,” Frydenberg told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.

Berejiklian has said restrictions need to remain as too few people in Sydney are vaccinated amid tight supplies of the Pfizer (PFE.N)/BioNTech (22UAy.DE) vaccine, with which Australia had hoped to inoculate everyone under 60 years old.

All adults in Sydney have been urged to seek an AstraZeneca (AZN.L) vaccine. Some, citing rare blood clots, are reluctant and would prefer to wait several months when Australia is expected to receive additional Pfizer supplies.

“…With little sign that of restrictions reducing infections…”

you see that^, in my peculiar internal world that’s a fib, no small fib, now it is probably an idiosyncrasy of mine, i’ll say it is an idiosyncrasy to be safe, that it’s not a fib, but i’d add this, that restrictions are massively reducing infections, if you consider the likely numbers per day (increase) without restrictions, or less effective restrictions

199 cases in the last 24hrs indicates to me, and similar numbers recent, suggests it is well under control, not certain of trending down yet, but not out of control, the prophylactic measures are substantially effective

Ah, but you already know that’s how these fuckwits twisting in the media do it.

Infections if no interventions: exponential growth.
Infections if interventions: stable.
Conclusion: interventions don’t reduce infections so they’re useless¡

Economy if there never was this virus and so no interventions: normal kind-of-exponential-at-1.02 growth.
Economy if virus scares and kills everyone: fucked.
Economy if interventions and virus gone: put on hold but then back to 100% normal + growth.
Conclusion: interventions hold back the economy so they’re a terrible disaster¡

A positive case in Cairns. No other details released.

Dark Orange said:

A positive case in Cairns. No other details released.

Uh Oh, don’t tell Tamb.

Dark Orange said:

A positive case in Cairns. No other details released.

Success of far-right Brothers of Italy raises fears of fascist revival
Push back on rapid testing calls for Vic
a person in a pool of water: It’s unknown which strain of the virus they’re infected with. (ABC Far North: Kristy Sexton-McGrath) © Provided by ABC News It’s unknown which strain of the virus they’re infected with. (ABC Far North: Kristy Sexton-McGrath)

Queensland Health has confirmed a new case of COVID-19 has been detected in a person in Far North Queensland.

The department said the infected person lives in the Cairns region.

It is not yet known what strain of the virus the person has or how it was contracted.

Queensland Health said an investigation is underway into whether the case is currently infectious or historical.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

A positive case in Cairns. No other details released.

Uh Oh, don’t tell Tamb.

It’s too late.
Just returned from chemo to see that news.
And here was me feeling chuffed from being told that my blood is pristine.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dark Orange said:

A positive case in Cairns. No other details released.

Uh Oh, don’t tell Tamb.

It’s too late.
Just returned from chemo to see that news.
And here was me feeling chuffed from being told that my blood is pristine.

You back up the hill?

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

:)

Dark Orange said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Uh Oh, don’t tell Tamb.

It’s too late.
Just returned from chemo to see that news.
And here was me feeling chuffed from being told that my blood is pristine.

You back up the hill?

No mate. In Cairns until Friday am.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

Tamb said:

It’s too late.
Just returned from chemo to see that news.
And here was me feeling chuffed from being told that my blood is pristine.

You back up the hill?

No mate. In Cairns until Friday am.

Don’t go to church or nightclubs.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

You back up the hill?

No mate. In Cairns until Friday am.

Don’t go to church or nightclubs.

My entire travel plans are Red Cross and across the road to Liz Plummer cancer ward.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

You in Bendigo? 52.6% at least one dose. Or Launceston? 27% fully vaccinated.

party_pants said:

dv said:

My neighbours are doing okay, 49% one dose, 24% fully

What’s so special about Mandurah, I wonder? Could be the high proportion of retirees that live there got their vaccines early.

Remember the rollout was in the beginning going to be according to need, then according to age. So I expect older folk really should be ahead. Although things got progressively more muddled.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-geographic-vaccination-rates-2-august-2021.pdf

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

You in Bendigo? 52.6% at least one dose. Or Launceston? 27% fully vaccinated.

Well when I say Australia, I mean fully tested in mainland Australia, obviously :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see my neighbours and I have got the highest % of anywhere in Australia.

You in Bendigo? 52.6% at least one dose. Or Launceston? 27% fully vaccinated.

Well when I say Australia, I mean fully tested in mainland Australia, obviously :)

and tested = vaccinated

buffy said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

My neighbours are doing okay, 49% one dose, 24% fully

What’s so special about Mandurah, I wonder? Could be the high proportion of retirees that live there got their vaccines early.

Remember the rollout was in the beginning going to be according to need, then according to age. So I expect older folk really should be ahead. Although things got progressively more muddled.

“more muddled” is not the words I’d use.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

:)

Still to many there dammit!

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

The Shovel:

‘Pro-Lockdown Rally Held In Sydney’

:)

Still to many there dammit!

no problem

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

SCIENCE said:

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Yeah, there is that, but we’d put it more in the “additional factors to make the cost-benefit balance more favourable” bucket, and quite possibly for many who are undecided, it may well tip the balance.

We mean pork-corruption-barrelling-grants seem to have done something hey¿

Obviously there will also be the set of “they have to pay us to take it? Then it must be even more dangerous than we thought” opinions but they’re probably even rarer.

(Also utilitarian-wise there really is an economic value to a life so there’s that too.)

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Yeah, it is weird

Michael V said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Yeah, it is weird

At the end of the day if it gets jabs in arms I don’t mind.

Is it better to reward people for getting it or punish them for not?

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Yeah, it is weird

At the end of the day if it gets jabs in arms I don’t mind.

Is it better to reward people for getting it or punish them for not?

punish. but that’s just me. others may be soft.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Thing is, those of us who already took the shots, where is our $300?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cash for jabs: Labor calls for $300 payment for those who get vaccinated

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cash-for-jabs-labor-calls-for-300-payment-for-those-who-get-vaccinated-20210802-p58f87.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

better idea, index the $300, adding compound interest to it from the time it is introduced, so that people who get shot earlier get more, and then it really will be a race

even better, make it retrospective

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Thing is, those of us who already took the shots, where is our $300?

Isn’t it anyone who is done before a certain date?

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Thing is, those of us who already took the shots, where is our $300?

Isn’t it anyone who is done before a certain date?

O i am sure it probably is but I was just getting my whinge in before anyone else does.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

It’s kind of weird that this is necessary. “I don’t really care whether I live or die but I sure could use 300 bucks”

Thing is, those of us who already took the shots, where is our $300?

Isn’t it anyone who is done before a certain date?

yes, if you are fully chipped by dec 1 you get the money.

roughbarked said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

roughbarked said:

Thing is, those of us who already took the shots, where is our $300?

Isn’t it anyone who is done before a certain date?

O i am sure it probably is but I was just getting my whinge in before anyone else does.

Ahh I see. Carry on then. Personally Im off to yell at clouds.

Boris said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

roughbarked said:

Thing is, those of us who already took the shots, where is our $300?

Isn’t it anyone who is done before a certain date?

yes, if you are fully chipped by dec 1 you get the money.

Better make sure it is available/accessible to everyone then…

buffy said:

Boris said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Isn’t it anyone who is done before a certain date?

yes, if you are fully chipped by dec 1 you get the money.

Better make sure it is available/accessible to everyone then…

One would hope that if your booked in before that date to get the jab after that date you still get once you actually get the jab

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Boris said:

yes, if you are fully chipped by dec 1 you get the money.

Better make sure it is available/accessible to everyone then…

One would hope that if your booked in before that date to get the jab after that date you still get once you actually get the jab

Good time to be a kid in a posh Sydney private school rather than a middle aged person in Orange I guess.

SCIENCE said:

how about more fun stuff, has this one been posted yet

(it’s the communists at SBS so make of this ocialist ull hit what you will)

Sydney hospital allegedly instructs staff to breach COVID-19 self-isolation to come to work

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sydney-hospital-allegedly-instructs-staff-to-breach-covid-19-self-isolation-to-come-to-work

It’s been claimed that executives at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital asked staff to continue to come to work despite being identified as close COVID-19 contacts. Amid rising COVID-19 cases in NSW, new accusations have surfaced that staff at a Sydney hospital were expected to come to work despite being identified as close contacts of a positive case. SBS News has been told that numerous staff members at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney’s inner west were identified as close contacts of a COVID-19 case at the hospital’s emergency department, but were told to continue working. This was despite a clear public health order which required them to isolate. SBS News understands the infectious diseases control unit at the hospital has since intervened and overruled the decision of RPA executives.

No Cover Up Here, No Dodgy Stuff To Make It Look Like Health System Copes With 200 Cases Per Day, None At All

A hospital staff member in Sydney’s west has tested positive to Covid-19 after working for three days while infectious last week, NSW Health officials have confirmed.

In a statement to NCA NewsWire, a Western Sydney Local Health District spokesman said the staff member was fully vaccinated. Thirty-six of their colleagues have been deemed close contacts and are now in isolation.

“A Westmead Hospital staff member has tested positive to COVID-19,” a Western Sydney Local Health District spokesman said.

“The staff member worked for three days while infectious last week. The staff member was fully vaccinated.

dv said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Better make sure it is available/accessible to everyone then…

One would hope that if your booked in before that date to get the jab after that date you still get once you actually get the jab

Good time to be a kid in a posh Sydney private school rather than a middle aged person in Orange I guess.

Indeed. I have had both jabs. I dont care if they do or dont give me the money.

I’m actually feeling slightly guilty at the moment. I have since covid started had nothing but more work. Moving from part time to full time work. Even that full time work has resulted in me still only working the same hours as I was partime but being paid for 40 hours a week.

The four drivers I am in charge of have been paid their full part time wages since lockdown by the entity I work for whilst only having to work 1 week out of every three.

My boss has left me on my casual hourly rate that I was on while offering me full time employment. I get the use of a vehicle , a paid for work phone.

It’s all a little surreal to be honest how good things are right now while simultaneously being absolutely totally fucked up.

Actually if they do end up giving me the 300 I think I’ll donate it some worthy charity to if at the very least just make me not feel so fucking weird right now.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

dv said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

One would hope that if your booked in before that date to get the jab after that date you still get once you actually get the jab

Good time to be a kid in a posh Sydney private school rather than a middle aged person in Orange I guess.

Indeed. I have had both jabs. I dont care if they do or dont give me the money.

I’m actually feeling slightly guilty at the moment. I have since covid started had nothing but more work. Moving from part time to full time work. Even that full time work has resulted in me still only working the same hours as I was partime but being paid for 40 hours a week.

The four drivers I am in charge of have been paid their full part time wages since lockdown by the entity I work for whilst only having to work 1 week out of every three.

My boss has left me on my casual hourly rate that I was on while offering me full time employment. I get the use of a vehicle , a paid for work phone.

It’s all a little surreal to be honest how good things are right now while simultaneously being absolutely totally fucked up.

Actually if they do end up giving me the 300 I think I’ll donate it some worthy charity to if at the very least just make me not feel so fucking weird right now.

good to see you having a win, Trev.

Been pretty easy for me over in WA being a semi-recluse and all. Haven’t noticed much difference to everyday life.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Boris said:

yes, if you are fully chipped by dec 1 you get the money.

Better make sure it is available/accessible to everyone then…

One would hope that if your booked in before that date to get the jab after that date you still get once you actually get the jab

You lot really think a federal coalition government is gunna do what a Labor opposition suggests????🤣

Boris said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

dv said:

Good time to be a kid in a posh Sydney private school rather than a middle aged person in Orange I guess.

Indeed. I have had both jabs. I dont care if they do or dont give me the money.

I’m actually feeling slightly guilty at the moment. I have since covid started had nothing but more work. Moving from part time to full time work. Even that full time work has resulted in me still only working the same hours as I was partime but being paid for 40 hours a week.

The four drivers I am in charge of have been paid their full part time wages since lockdown by the entity I work for whilst only having to work 1 week out of every three.

My boss has left me on my casual hourly rate that I was on while offering me full time employment. I get the use of a vehicle , a paid for work phone.

It’s all a little surreal to be honest how good things are right now while simultaneously being absolutely totally fucked up.

Actually if they do end up giving me the 300 I think I’ll donate it some worthy charity to if at the very least just make me not feel so fucking weird right now.

good to see you having a win, Trev.

Been pretty easy for me over in WA being a semi-recluse and all. Haven’t noticed much difference to everyday life.

Thanks. Yeah there must be huge parts of the country where people are wtf covid?, nothings changed round here.

Biggest thing for us besides the lockdown stuff here in Sydney has been the inability for us to go to or for my son and his family to come from ‘Murcia.

First world problems i know but fuck me two years is along time not to be able to give ya kid a hug.

My second grandbaby is due the 15th September. Fingers crossed things have calmed down here enough for us to meet her face to face by then. Wife is on the verge of panic over it.

Woodie said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

buffy said:

Better make sure it is available/accessible to everyone then…

One would hope that if your booked in before that date to get the jab after that date you still get once you actually get the jab

You lot really think a federal coalition government is gunna do what a Labor opposition suggests????🤣

Nope.

well problem solved

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/08/03/coalition-agrees-to-give-300-to-gerry-harvey-for-every-australian-vaccinated/

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

well problem solved

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/08/03/coalition-agrees-to-give-300-to-gerry-harvey-for-every-australian-vaccinated/

LOL

School Reunion 0 Covid 1
Ah well 2022 it is then.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/07/31/the-political-forces-inside-the-anti-lockdown-movement/162765360012176#mtr

Rick Morton

There was a moment during last Friday’s venomous national cabinet meeting, as leaders fought over Covid-19 management strategies, when the military man handpicked by Scott Morrison to run the vaccination program launched a savage broadside against New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian.

Lieutenant-General John Frewen, an unelected public servant, had just listened to a desperate plea from the premier about redirecting Commonwealth-controlled vaccines from GP clinics into the most affected Sydney local government areas.

Frewen was apoplectic. According to those present in the virtual meeting, he spoke with such derision that it left other premiers and chief ministers stunned. At least one state leader told colleagues: “I would have stopped the meeting if he had spoken to me like that.”

Prime Minister Morrison seemed unconcerned, however. He spoke second to Frewen, and only to back up what the army man had said.

During the meeting, Morrison handballed much of the negotiating to Frewen. The prime minister was being beamed into the hook-up from The Lodge in Canberra, and periodically got up from his desk, turned his back to the camera, and bent down to literally stoke a fire with a poker.

Onlookers were agog. It served as a potent metaphor for the divisions and rancour engulfing the nation, much of which had been stoked by Morrison and his Coalition colleagues.

These tensions caught fire the day after national cabinet, on July 24, when thousands of people across Australia marched in a “Worldwide Rally for Freedom” to protest against lockdowns, vaccinations and the world’s scientists.

It was organised out of Germany, by a group known as the “Free Citizens of Kassel”. But they had a lot of local help.

On July 22, two days before the protests, George Christensen asked his Facebook followers to sign a petition and “stand against lockdowns, forced masking and mandatory tracing”.

On the morning of protests, the federal member for Dawson in Queensland posted one of the template social media images created by the German group, urging his followers to attend the worldwide rally in his home town of Mackay. There were similar such events around the globe, with the two largest Australian marches happening in Sydney and Melbourne.

“All of these things are under attack from government and government of all descriptions, Labor and LNP, I have got to say to my shame, as a Liberal National Party member,” Christensen said through a megaphone at the Mackay rally that same day.

“Really, if there was a psychology experiment to induce or increase people’s belief in conspiracy theory it would be doing things like what is happening during the pandemic.”
“They will say we need to maintain lockdowns, we need to maintain mask-wearing, they’ll say we need to maintain all of these impositions on our freedoms.”

At this point, a woman in the crowd yelled: “We should not comply!”

Christensen agreed. “And we should not comply,” he said, “because at some point in this fight, civil disobedience is going to have to be done and we are going to have to prepare for that at some stage because I see that day coming very, very soon and very, very quickly.”

It is an extraordinary statement: an elected official, preparing a crowd of protesters to break the law and take up a fight against his own government.

Christensen had support from his former backbench colleague Craig Kelly, who now sits as an independent in federal parliament and has done perhaps more than anyone in public life to push an increasingly conspiratorial world view.

For that, Covid-19 is the perfect foil. It is new and scientific understanding of the virus and vaccines is emerging. One of the best defences against the disease, to limit the risk of it overwhelming hospitals, is control: harsh and difficult lockdowns, keeping people at home until the threat has passed.

“Gladys, Chant and Health Hazzard – the people are coming for you,” Kelly posted in his Telegram channel this week, referring to the NSW premier, chief health officer Kerry Chant and Health minister Brad Hazzard. “Liberal Party – wake up and remove these incompetent fools that are ignoring the science and the evidence, before they destroy the Liberal Party and NSW.”

Tens of thousands of people marched in Sydney and in Melbourne last Saturday, ostensibly motivated by the economic and social consequences of harsh lockdowns, which all residents have had to endure. But a closer inspection of social media posts, and those in more secluded messaging forums, reveals a crowd united from various conspiratorial threads.

“Really, if there was a psychology experiment to induce or increase people’s belief in conspiracy theory it would be doing things like what is happening during the pandemic,” Dr Mathew Marques, a lecturer in psychology at La Trobe University, tells The Saturday Paper.

“And that includes getting everyone to focus on the same event, increasing the sense of powerlessness, increasing the sense of social and economic uncertainty.

“We just have a lot of the conditions that, for people, tip them over the edge in terms of their beliefs, and some of those people then go on to act out on those beliefs.”

Last week, the headmaster of the prestigious The King’s School in Parramatta, Tony George, sent a note to staff advising them a teacher had been suspended from duty and reported to police for breaching public health orders after attending the Sydney rally.

“It is the mark of civil society that we should be able to engage in healthy debate and respect each other’s views,” George said in the letter. “But this must be in a safe, lawful and respectful manner, at all times.”

The Saturday Paper has seen a video from a staff member at a different school, posted to Telegram, who was told not to come to work for 14 days after attending Melbourne’s rally.

In this video, the education support officer said he was upset because he cannot see his “very highly traumatised kids” for another two weeks.

“We’ve already had two or three weeks this term where I haven’t been allowed to see the kids, and towards the end of last term, because I won’t wear a mask, they wouldn’t let me see them.

“Because this was done all around the world, I’ve spoken before about different acupuncture points on the globe and projecting this energy en masse, which is really just sovereignty, that sends energy into the collective field.”

The man, whom this newspaper has chosen not to name, said “we know that 7000 people meditating can reduce violent crime by in the 70 per cents”. He added that he felt like he had been “attacked by an energetic weapon” after the rally, possibly caused by “satanic rituals”.

Attendees at the protests ranged from believers in the now pervasive but totally unfounded QAnon theory – that the world is being controlled by satanic paedophiles in the global business, media and political elite – to hardline anti-vaccination groups, wellness influencers, tradesmen locked out of building sites and groups run by fringe conservative Christian voices.

There is a political aspect to these protests, coalescing around a revival of the Liberal Democrats party. This is a political problem for Morrison.

One former NSW Liberal Party figure, John Ruddick, was fined $1000 for his attendance at the Sydney march. He has announced he will run at the election as the federal candidate for the Liberal Democrats in Tony Abbott’s former seat of Warringah.

“It was a jam-packed protest and 99 per cent had no mask,” he tweeted after the march. “So we have conducted an experiment. Will there be corpses piling up in the three weeks from now from Covid! Let’s see.”

Ruddick is joined in the party by another former Liberal operative, Ross Cameron. The former member for Parramatta, who served in the Howard government, told The Australian the Liberal Democrats would approach the next election strategically:

“We are actively looking for the biggest, most magnetic candidate in every state – a recognisable figure – with the aim of winning the last senate quota in each of them.

“The party is enjoying quite strong financial support and we are testing a number of different names and candidates. We will be running an anti-lockdown message like Nigel Farage’s single-message campaign on Brexit.

“I was a member of the Liberal Party for 40 years and I can say we will tear strips off the Liberals and Nationals like hammerhead sharks tearing at the carcass of a sperm whale.”

The Saturday Paper approached Cameron for comment. He did not respond before deadline but did ask: “Does TSP retain NSW Dept Health or Commonwealth Dept of Health as a cash sponsor?” (The paper does not.)

Former Queensland premier Campbell Newman is also tipped to join the Liberal Democrats. He announced his resignation from the LNP last week, blaming Liberal governments and opposition parties for either “closing down businesses and shutting borders” or failing to oppose them.

“I was disgusted, too, to see a Liberal minister in NSW attack protesters as ‘boofheads’ on the weekend,” he told The Australian, “when these people were protesting to protect their livelihoods and freedoms.”

Clive Palmer has also begun placing anti-lockdown advertising in newspapers and is expected to campaign on the issue at the next election.

In the online ecosystem in which these figures command an audience, the tide appears to be fast turning against the prime minister. The mood of voters who would otherwise form part of the Coalition base may explain some of Morrison’s messaging.

When asked if he condemned George Christensen’s role in the Mackay rally, Morrison was quick to declare that Australians enjoy “free speech” but drew a distinction with the Sydney protests where there were public health orders in place.

“Well, the comments I made before related to an event that took place in Queensland where there are no lockdowns. And, I have, I don’t support any suggestion that would suggest that people should gather as they did in Sydney yesterday, whatsoever,” Morrison on Sunday.

“Of course it was selfish. It was also self-defeating. It achieves no purpose. It will not end the lockdown sooner; it will only risk the lockdowns running further.”

But for all its media coverage, popular support for the anti-lockdown protests appears to be limited. Respected pollster John Utting, a fixture in the Labor Party for years and director of Utting Research, shared the results of his latest survey on Wednesday.

Just 7 per cent supported anti-lockdown demonstrations; 83 per cent were opposed and 10 per cent undecided.

What the demonstrations attempted to hijack, however, was a real and valid concern among law-abiding Australians that there is not enough economic and social support offered, especially to essential workers, during the pandemic.

While JobKeeper was available last year, it has vanished now. On Wednesday, the prime minister announced a second increase to the Covid-19 Disaster Payment, to a maximum of $750 a week, for those who have lost 20 hours or more work.

At national cabinet on July 23, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews provided Gladys Berejiklian with one piece of advice from his state’s hard-won experience: lockdown fatigue is real, and residents need to know that what they are doing is working.

It is the gap between those two points the Liberal Democrats and others are exploiting.

This article was first published in the print edition of The Saturday Paper on Jul 31, 2021 as “The political forces inside the anti-lockdown movement”.

Boris said:

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/07/31/the-political-forces-inside-the-anti-lockdown-movement/162765360012176#mtr

Rick Morton

There was a moment during last Friday’s venomous national cabinet meeting, as leaders fought over Covid-19 management strategies, when the military man handpicked by Scott Morrison to run the vaccination program launched a savage broadside against New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian.

Lieutenant-General John Frewen, an unelected public servant, had just listened to a desperate plea from the premier about redirecting Commonwealth-controlled vaccines from GP clinics into the most affected Sydney local government areas.

Frewen was apoplectic. According to those present in the virtual meeting, he spoke with such derision that it left other premiers and chief ministers stunned. At least one state leader told colleagues: “I would have stopped the meeting if he had spoken to me like that.”

Prime Minister Morrison seemed unconcerned, however. He spoke second to Frewen, and only to back up what the army man had said.

During the meeting, Morrison handballed much of the negotiating to Frewen. The prime minister was being beamed into the hook-up from The Lodge in Canberra, and periodically got up from his desk, turned his back to the camera, and bent down to literally stoke a fire with a poker.

Onlookers were agog. It served as a potent metaphor for the divisions and rancour engulfing the nation, much of which had been stoked by Morrison and his Coalition colleagues.

These tensions caught fire the day after national cabinet, on July 24, when thousands of people across Australia marched in a “Worldwide Rally for Freedom” to protest against lockdowns, vaccinations and the world’s scientists.

It was organised out of Germany, by a group known as the “Free Citizens of Kassel”. But they had a lot of local help.

On July 22, two days before the protests, George Christensen asked his Facebook followers to sign a petition and “stand against lockdowns, forced masking and mandatory tracing”.

On the morning of protests, the federal member for Dawson in Queensland posted one of the template social media images created by the German group, urging his followers to attend the worldwide rally in his home town of Mackay. There were similar such events around the globe, with the two largest Australian marches happening in Sydney and Melbourne.

“All of these things are under attack from government and government of all descriptions, Labor and LNP, I have got to say to my shame, as a Liberal National Party member,” Christensen said through a megaphone at the Mackay rally that same day.

“Really, if there was a psychology experiment to induce or increase people’s belief in conspiracy theory it would be doing things like what is happening during the pandemic.”
“They will say we need to maintain lockdowns, we need to maintain mask-wearing, they’ll say we need to maintain all of these impositions on our freedoms.”

At this point, a woman in the crowd yelled: “We should not comply!”

Christensen agreed. “And we should not comply,” he said, “because at some point in this fight, civil disobedience is going to have to be done and we are going to have to prepare for that at some stage because I see that day coming very, very soon and very, very quickly.”

It is an extraordinary statement: an elected official, preparing a crowd of protesters to break the law and take up a fight against his own government.

Christensen had support from his former backbench colleague Craig Kelly, who now sits as an independent in federal parliament and has done perhaps more than anyone in public life to push an increasingly conspiratorial world view.

For that, Covid-19 is the perfect foil. It is new and scientific understanding of the virus and vaccines is emerging. One of the best defences against the disease, to limit the risk of it overwhelming hospitals, is control: harsh and difficult lockdowns, keeping people at home until the threat has passed.

“Gladys, Chant and Health Hazzard – the people are coming for you,” Kelly posted in his Telegram channel this week, referring to the NSW premier, chief health officer Kerry Chant and Health minister Brad Hazzard. “Liberal Party – wake up and remove these incompetent fools that are ignoring the science and the evidence, before they destroy the Liberal Party and NSW.”

Tens of thousands of people marched in Sydney and in Melbourne last Saturday, ostensibly motivated by the economic and social consequences of harsh lockdowns, which all residents have had to endure. But a closer inspection of social media posts, and those in more secluded messaging forums, reveals a crowd united from various conspiratorial threads.

“Really, if there was a psychology experiment to induce or increase people’s belief in conspiracy theory it would be doing things like what is happening during the pandemic,” Dr Mathew Marques, a lecturer in psychology at La Trobe University, tells The Saturday Paper.

“And that includes getting everyone to focus on the same event, increasing the sense of powerlessness, increasing the sense of social and economic uncertainty.

“We just have a lot of the conditions that, for people, tip them over the edge in terms of their beliefs, and some of those people then go on to act out on those beliefs.”

Last week, the headmaster of the prestigious The King’s School in Parramatta, Tony George, sent a note to staff advising them a teacher had been suspended from duty and reported to police for breaching public health orders after attending the Sydney rally.

“It is the mark of civil society that we should be able to engage in healthy debate and respect each other’s views,” George said in the letter. “But this must be in a safe, lawful and respectful manner, at all times.”

The Saturday Paper has seen a video from a staff member at a different school, posted to Telegram, who was told not to come to work for 14 days after attending Melbourne’s rally.

In this video, the education support officer said he was upset because he cannot see his “very highly traumatised kids” for another two weeks.

“We’ve already had two or three weeks this term where I haven’t been allowed to see the kids, and towards the end of last term, because I won’t wear a mask, they wouldn’t let me see them.

“Because this was done all around the world, I’ve spoken before about different acupuncture points on the globe and projecting this energy en masse, which is really just sovereignty, that sends energy into the collective field.”

The man, whom this newspaper has chosen not to name, said “we know that 7000 people meditating can reduce violent crime by in the 70 per cents”. He added that he felt like he had been “attacked by an energetic weapon” after the rally, possibly caused by “satanic rituals”.

Attendees at the protests ranged from believers in the now pervasive but totally unfounded QAnon theory – that the world is being controlled by satanic paedophiles in the global business, media and political elite – to hardline anti-vaccination groups, wellness influencers, tradesmen locked out of building sites and groups run by fringe conservative Christian voices.

There is a political aspect to these protests, coalescing around a revival of the Liberal Democrats party. This is a political problem for Morrison.

One former NSW Liberal Party figure, John Ruddick, was fined $1000 for his attendance at the Sydney march. He has announced he will run at the election as the federal candidate for the Liberal Democrats in Tony Abbott’s former seat of Warringah.

“It was a jam-packed protest and 99 per cent had no mask,” he tweeted after the march. “So we have conducted an experiment. Will there be corpses piling up in the three weeks from now from Covid! Let’s see.”

Ruddick is joined in the party by another former Liberal operative, Ross Cameron. The former member for Parramatta, who served in the Howard government, told The Australian the Liberal Democrats would approach the next election strategically:

“We are actively looking for the biggest, most magnetic candidate in every state – a recognisable figure – with the aim of winning the last senate quota in each of them.

“The party is enjoying quite strong financial support and we are testing a number of different names and candidates. We will be running an anti-lockdown message like Nigel Farage’s single-message campaign on Brexit.

“I was a member of the Liberal Party for 40 years and I can say we will tear strips off the Liberals and Nationals like hammerhead sharks tearing at the carcass of a sperm whale.”

The Saturday Paper approached Cameron for comment. He did not respond before deadline but did ask: “Does TSP retain NSW Dept Health or Commonwealth Dept of Health as a cash sponsor?” (The paper does not.)

Former Queensland premier Campbell Newman is also tipped to join the Liberal Democrats. He announced his resignation from the LNP last week, blaming Liberal governments and opposition parties for either “closing down businesses and shutting borders” or failing to oppose them.

“I was disgusted, too, to see a Liberal minister in NSW attack protesters as ‘boofheads’ on the weekend,” he told The Australian, “when these people were protesting to protect their livelihoods and freedoms.”

Clive Palmer has also begun placing anti-lockdown advertising in newspapers and is expected to campaign on the issue at the next election.

In the online ecosystem in which these figures command an audience, the tide appears to be fast turning against the prime minister. The mood of voters who would otherwise form part of the Coalition base may explain some of Morrison’s messaging.

When asked if he condemned George Christensen’s role in the Mackay rally, Morrison was quick to declare that Australians enjoy “free speech” but drew a distinction with the Sydney protests where there were public health orders in place.

“Well, the comments I made before related to an event that took place in Queensland where there are no lockdowns. And, I have, I don’t support any suggestion that would suggest that people should gather as they did in Sydney yesterday, whatsoever,” Morrison on Sunday.

“Of course it was selfish. It was also self-defeating. It achieves no purpose. It will not end the lockdown sooner; it will only risk the lockdowns running further.”

But for all its media coverage, popular support for the anti-lockdown protests appears to be limited. Respected pollster John Utting, a fixture in the Labor Party for years and director of Utting Research, shared the results of his latest survey on Wednesday.

Just 7 per cent supported anti-lockdown demonstrations; 83 per cent were opposed and 10 per cent undecided.

What the demonstrations attempted to hijack, however, was a real and valid concern among law-abiding Australians that there is not enough economic and social support offered, especially to essential workers, during the pandemic.

While JobKeeper was available last year, it has vanished now. On Wednesday, the prime minister announced a second increase to the Covid-19 Disaster Payment, to a maximum of $750 a week, for those who have lost 20 hours or more work.

At national cabinet on July 23, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews provided Gladys Berejiklian with one piece of advice from his state’s hard-won experience: lockdown fatigue is real, and residents need to know that what they are doing is working.

It is the gap between those two points the Liberal Democrats and others are exploiting.

This article was first published in the print edition of The Saturday Paper on Jul 31, 2021 as “The political forces inside the anti-lockdown movement”.

In this video, the education support officer said he was upset because he cannot see his “very highly traumatised kids” for another two weeks.

“We’ve already had two or three weeks this term where I haven’t been allowed to see the kids, and towards the end of last term, because I won’t wear a mask, they wouldn’t let me see them.

“Because this was done all around the world, I’ve spoken before about different acupuncture points on the globe and projecting this energy en masse, which is really just sovereignty, that sends energy into the collective field.”
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Please keep that Education support officer away from children.

speaking of the UK apparently

Freedom Really Does Work

(different timespan)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/senator-rex-patrick-forges-covid-19-vaccine-certificate/100346974

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

but 0 they said

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

but 0 they said

Yes, start to zero in 3 weeks.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

but 0 they said

Yes, start to zero in 3 weeks.

do you think the VIC restrictions this time have been more extreme than NSW or are the NSW crowd just failing with their pyrite standard

also, LOL@ Brett

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

but 0 they said

Yes, start to zero in 3 weeks.

do you think the VIC restrictions this time have been more extreme than NSW or are the NSW crowd just failing with their pyrite standard

Locking down the whole state is more extreme than NSW.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Yes, start to zero in 3 weeks.

do you think the VIC restrictions this time have been more extreme than NSW or are the NSW crowd just failing with their pyrite standard

Locking down the whole state is more extreme than NSW.

but is it a full on weld doors shut lockdown or is it a NSW suggest stay home lockdown

proof that Australian parents are just bleeding hearts raising a bunch of snowflakes

SCIENCE said:

proof that Australian parents are just bleeding hearts raising a bunch of snowflakes

Or at least 483.8 of them are.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

proof that Australian parents are just bleeding hearts raising a bunch of snowflakes

Or at least 483.8 of them are.

compare Denmark, where one fella’s health terrorist is another hypercapitalist’s freedom fighter

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

proof that Australian parents are just bleeding hearts raising a bunch of snowflakes

Or at least 483.8 of them are.

compare Denmark, where one fella’s health terrorist is another hypercapitalist’s freedom fighter

Norway I’m going to comment on that one.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Or at least 483.8 of them are.

compare Denmark, where one fella’s health terrorist is another hypercapitalist’s freedom fighter

Norway I’m going to comment on that one.

¿ if someone thinks they recognise that internet celebrity in a back alley, and does a double take, was ‘e scanned in a via ?

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

compare Denmark, where one fella’s health terrorist is another hypercapitalist’s freedom fighter

Norway I’m going to comment on that one.

¿ if someone thinks they recognise that internet celebrity in a back alley, and does a double take, was ‘e scanned in a via ?

I really wasn’t going to comment on that, but then I went to my Gmail inbox and found top of the list:

“What is the most Finnish thing ever?”

Coincidence?

I think not.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Norway I’m going to comment on that one.

¿ if someone thinks they recognise that internet celebrity in a back alley, and does a double take, was ‘e scanned in a via ?

I really wasn’t going to comment on that, but then I went to my Gmail inbox and found top of the list:

“What is the most Finnish thing ever?”

Coincidence?

I think not.

apparently Baader, Ensslin and Meinhof were Germ’s and that might also seem appropriate for a COVID-7/8 thread

NSW records 233 local COVID-19 cases and two more death

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

good to see reporting that lockdowns and elimination works very effectively, done right, there’s isn’t anything more effective, nothing

sibeen said:

NSW records 233 local COVID-19 cases and two more death

‘We’re dealing with one of the most challenging times we’ve had as a nation’, NSW CHO says

certainly fits with Marketing being the prime minister for NSW just like that

transition said:

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

good to see reporting that lockdowns and elimination works very effectively, done right, there’s isn’t anything more effective, nothing

what about N95 masks

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

good to see reporting that lockdowns and elimination works very effectively, done right, there’s isn’t anything more effective, nothing

what about N95 masks

yeah you know what I mean, anything not-letting-it-go-wild, the end game brought upon us prematurely

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

good to see reporting that lockdowns and elimination works very effectively, done right, there’s isn’t anything more effective, nothing

what about N95 masks

yeah you know what I mean, anything not-letting-it-go-wild, the end game brought upon us prematurely

we fully support timed high probability elimination / eradication manoeuvres such as proper lockdown or just full N95+ masking plus lock unmasked down for 2 incubation periods and then you’re actually done

about the importations, well, time to get smarter about that, it’s been time for 18 months

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

what about N95 masks

yeah you know what I mean, anything not-letting-it-go-wild, the end game brought upon us prematurely

we fully support timed high probability elimination / eradication manoeuvres such as proper lockdown or just full N95+ masking plus lock unmasked down for 2 incubation periods and then you’re actually done

about the importations, well, time to get smarter about that, it’s been time for 18 months

covid’s a globalist, an expansionist globalist, an internationalist, you’re dampening the spirit of freedom of movement

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

yeah you know what I mean, anything not-letting-it-go-wild, the end game brought upon us prematurely

we fully support timed high probability elimination / eradication manoeuvres such as proper lockdown or just full N95+ masking plus lock unmasked down for 2 incubation periods and then you’re actually done

about the importations, well, time to get smarter about that, it’s been time for 18 months

covid’s a globalist, an expansionist globalist, an internationalist, you’re dampening the spirit of freedom of movement

Yeah yeah we know, we get it… crazy though to think that in this day and age of cheap and fast internet access (at least for places where “free travellers” are likely to come from), people can’t fucking just enjoy the bitwise connectivity for a couple of months before they consider burning kerosene to absolutely destroy the environment again.

transition said:

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

good to see reporting that lockdowns and elimination works very effectively, done right, there’s isn’t anything more effective, nothing

Can I go get a haircut in Sydney if I want?

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

buffy said:

Three weeks:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/victoria-covid-19-cases-restrictions-and-updates/100348032

good to see reporting that lockdowns and elimination works very effectively, done right, there’s isn’t anything more effective, nothing

what about N95 masks

I only have 1. I don’t have 95 of them.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

we fully support timed high probability elimination / eradication manoeuvres such as proper lockdown or just full N95+ masking plus lock unmasked down for 2 incubation periods and then you’re actually done

about the importations, well, time to get smarter about that, it’s been time for 18 months

covid’s a globalist, an expansionist globalist, an internationalist, you’re dampening the spirit of freedom of movement

Yeah yeah we know, we get it… crazy though to think that in this day and age of cheap and fast internet access (at least for places where “free travellers” are likely to come from), people can’t fucking just enjoy the bitwise connectivity for a couple of months before they consider burning kerosene to absolutely destroy the environment again.

been wondering, is there not a human on the planet, that doesn’t want to be indifferent about something, a secret dimension to this, and doesn’t propaganda largely work by licensing indifference, not toward necessarily a specific object or thing explicitly, perhaps more by freedom of indifference

I mean consider of your own life, take whatever mundane of your life, consider of what, where, the indifference you enjoy, and then further consider such a thing now multiplied 7.9billion

is there any escaping indifference looking for things to rest in, and what of all the money in the world now, surely its value in-large-part is in and got from indifference also

New restrictions sweep China as officials race to contain delta outbreak

By Rebecca Tan and Lyric Li

Yesterday at 4:37 a.m. EDT

Faced with a rapidly spreading coronavirus outbreak, China is implementing a wave of travel restrictions and quarantine orders, the scale of which has not been seen since the country’s initial explosion of cases from Wuhan last year.

Driven by the contagious delta variant, the outbreak will be a closely watched test of China’s vaccines as well as its draconian containment strategy, which until this point has been largely effective in keeping infections low, experts say.

The number of new reported cases is still in the hundreds, but epidemiologists have expressed concern that local clusters have emerged in almost 30 cities, including Beijing, Wuhan and the flood-hit city of Zhengzhou.

Wuhan tests all citizens after Delta variant found

Officials have responded swiftly with new restrictions, increased surveillance and, in some places, cash incentives to report on people suspected of carrying the virus. Wuhan has started testing all 11 million of its residents after seven new cases; Zhengzhou, still reeling from a heavy downpour that killed at least 300, has also begun mass testing.

China sets back search for covid origins with rejection of WHO investigation proposal

On Tuesday, the surveillance app used by the government to track people’s travel history and exposure status briefly crashed because of overwhelming traffic.

“With the transmissibility of the delta variant, the method of tracing and containing is becoming increasingly difficult,” said Nikolaus Osterrieder, dean of the Jockey Club College of Veterinary Medicine and Life Sciences in Hong Kong. “Like everyone, China is now in a race.”

There’s much at stake for the country’s leaders, not just in terms of public health but also political image, said Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations. If infections skyrocket, “it is going to not only lead people to question the effectiveness of the existing pandemic-control approach but also significantly undermine the official narrative that touts the superiority of China’s political system in handling the pandemic,” he said.

A clown wears a mask while entertaining residents in a park in Wuhan on July 31. (Getty Images)
Huang added that the delta variant outbreak also makes it increasingly unlikely that China will significantly loosen borders in time for the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing in February.

Most epidemiologists agree that a zero-tolerance approach is not tenable in the long run, but in the absence of herd immunity, Osterrieder said, Chinese officials do not have many short-term alternatives. More than half the population had been fully vaccinated as of July, still short of the 80 to 85 percent target that experts say is needed to protect the population.

As of this week, all provinces in China have issued travel warnings or banned nonessential trips to areas considered high-risk. Some villages have blocked road access to keep out unwanted visitors, and universities have ordered students and staff not to leave campus. Wuhan University told students to suspend or cancel plans for summer internships unless they were able to move them online.

In Beijing, where more than 80 percent of residents have been vaccinated, most districts have gone more than a year without new cases, government data shows. But in the past week, five new infections have been reported, prompting officials to bar residents from more than a hundred high- or medium-risk areas from entering the city.

The capital needs to be “guarded at all costs,” Beijing Communist Party Secretary Cai Qi said in a meeting Sunday where officials decided on the new restrictions. “From top to bottom, the city needs to be on alert,” he added.

The delta variant outbreak began in the eastern city of Nanjing, where officials say workers at Lukou International Airport were probably exposed to the virus by infected travelers from Russia. In 10 days, the virus made its way to at least two dozen other cities, forming new hot spots.

WHO clarifies details of early covid patients in Wuhan after errors in virus report

The tourist city of Zhangjiajie, known for its quartz-sandstone pillars and glass skywalk bridge, was placed in lockdown after recent travelers tested positive. Officials say they are racing to track down more than 2,000 people who attended a packed theater performance in late July before scattering across the country.

“I’m not too worried about the Nanjing outbreak, because it is a big city and the containment has been done very well,” Zhong Nanshan, a government-appointed epidemiologist, said Saturday. “But whether the smaller city could become a spreader? This we still don’t know.”

Officials are also paying attention to the city of Yangzhou, near Nanjing in Jiangsu province, which has reported 94 new cases since the weekend. Forty-three of the cases have been traced to mah-jongg and chess rooms, local news reported, which have since been shut down.

Yangzhou officials have offered a $770 cash reward to people who file reports of residents who have recently been to specific mah-jongg rooms or who have come to Yangzhou from high-risk areas. If the individual tests positive, the reward will be doubled, reported a Shanghai-based newspaper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-delta-outbreak-spreading/2021/08/03/45506e96-f36b-11eb-a636-18cac59a98dc_story.html?

Ms Bromley said incentives, like the $300 payment mooted by Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese, are not currently being considered.

“It’s not something we’re looking to incorporate into the state system at this point in time,” she said.

“Our horizons are the Commonwealths’ horizons … We’re really looking forward to September, October, November as being the months where we hope to see a lot more supply becoming available all across Australia but particularly here in Victoria”

“Supply is the limiting factor”, “as more becomes available, more people will become eligible”.

—

Lucky they can blame Federal then, imagine a government reassuring the population that they the people are not to blame, it’s on the supply side, convenient.

Witty Rejoinder said:

New restrictions sweep China as officials race to contain delta outbreak

By Rebecca Tan and Lyric Li

Yesterday at 4:37 a.m. EDT

Faced with a rapidly spreading coronavirus outbreak, China is implementing a wave of travel restrictions and quarantine orders, the scale of which has not been seen since the country’s initial explosion of cases from Wuhan last year.

Driven by the contagious delta variant, the outbreak will be a closely watched test of China’s vaccines as well as its draconian containment strategy, which until this point has been largely effective in keeping infections low, experts say.

The number of new reported cases is still in the hundreds, but epidemiologists have expressed concern that local clusters have emerged in almost 30 cities, including Beijing, Wuhan and the flood-hit city of Zhengzhou.

Wuhan tests all citizens after Delta variant found

Officials have responded swiftly with new restrictions, increased surveillance and, in some places, cash incentives to report on people suspected of carrying the virus. Wuhan has started testing all 11 million of its residents after seven new cases; Zhengzhou, still reeling from a heavy downpour that killed at least 300, has also begun mass testing.

China sets back search for covid origins with rejection of WHO investigation proposal

On Tuesday, the surveillance app used by the government to track people’s travel history and exposure status briefly crashed because of overwhelming traffic.

“With the transmissibility of the delta variant, the method of tracing and containing is becoming increasingly difficult,” said Nikolaus Osterrieder, dean of the Jockey Club College of Veterinary Medicine and Life Sciences in Hong Kong. “Like everyone, China is now in a race.”

There’s much at stake for the country’s leaders, not just in terms of public health but also political image, said Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations. If infections skyrocket, “it is going to not only lead people to question the effectiveness of the existing pandemic-control approach but also significantly undermine the official narrative that touts the superiority of China’s political system in handling the pandemic,” he said.

A clown wears a mask while entertaining residents in a park in Wuhan on July 31. (Getty Images)
Huang added that the delta variant outbreak also makes it increasingly unlikely that China will significantly loosen borders in time for the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing in February.

Most epidemiologists agree that a zero-tolerance approach is not tenable in the long run, but in the absence of herd immunity, Osterrieder said, Chinese officials do not have many short-term alternatives. More than half the population had been fully vaccinated as of July, still short of the 80 to 85 percent target that experts say is needed to protect the population.

As of this week, all provinces in China have issued travel warnings or banned nonessential trips to areas considered high-risk. Some villages have blocked road access to keep out unwanted visitors, and universities have ordered students and staff not to leave campus. Wuhan University told students to suspend or cancel plans for summer internships unless they were able to move them online.

In Beijing, where more than 80 percent of residents have been vaccinated, most districts have gone more than a year without new cases, government data shows. But in the past week, five new infections have been reported, prompting officials to bar residents from more than a hundred high- or medium-risk areas from entering the city.

The capital needs to be “guarded at all costs,” Beijing Communist Party Secretary Cai Qi said in a meeting Sunday where officials decided on the new restrictions. “From top to bottom, the city needs to be on alert,” he added.

The delta variant outbreak began in the eastern city of Nanjing, where officials say workers at Lukou International Airport were probably exposed to the virus by infected travelers from Russia. In 10 days, the virus made its way to at least two dozen other cities, forming new hot spots.

WHO clarifies details of early covid patients in Wuhan after errors in virus report

The tourist city of Zhangjiajie, known for its quartz-sandstone pillars and glass skywalk bridge, was placed in lockdown after recent travelers tested positive. Officials say they are racing to track down more than 2,000 people who attended a packed theater performance in late July before scattering across the country.

“I’m not too worried about the Nanjing outbreak, because it is a big city and the containment has been done very well,” Zhong Nanshan, a government-appointed epidemiologist, said Saturday. “But whether the smaller city could become a spreader? This we still don’t know.”

Officials are also paying attention to the city of Yangzhou, near Nanjing in Jiangsu province, which has reported 94 new cases since the weekend. Forty-three of the cases have been traced to mah-jongg and chess rooms, local news reported, which have since been shut down.

Yangzhou officials have offered a $770 cash reward to people who file reports of residents who have recently been to specific mah-jongg rooms or who have come to Yangzhou from high-risk areas. If the individual tests positive, the reward will be doubled, reported a Shanghai-based newspaper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-delta-outbreak-spreading/2021/08/03/45506e96-f36b-11eb-a636-18cac59a98dc_story.html

and yet the only time they mention a mask is in reference to clown, fuck this is genius, imagine if masks meant no need to lock down as much, imagine if The Economy Must Grow and mask trade was part of it

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

what about N95 masks

yeah you know what I mean, anything not-letting-it-go-wild, the end game brought upon us prematurely

we fully support timed high probability elimination / eradication manoeuvres such as proper lockdown or just full N95+ masking plus lock unmasked down for 2 incubation periods and then you’re actually done

about the importations, well, time to get smarter about that, it’s been time for 18 months

I only have 1. I don’t have 95 of them.

we’re not saying get rid of vaccinations, we fully acknowledge they can help and should also be part of it

but for all the penny pinching over vaccines and The Economy Must Grow and everything else really

it must have been cheaper to kit everyone out with N95 for 2 incubation periods

surely

let us check

internet search

five bucks each

one per day perhaps

30 day month should be $150

say just for the adults, an easy $2G for the country

how much was lockdown costing again

Bunnings COVID-19 clinic
A health service in western NSW says it could face legal action for setting up a pop-up COVID-19 testing clinic in a Bunnings carpark.

Investment company Sentinel Group Australia says it raised concerns with the Orange City Council and Western Local Health District about the use of a former Bunnings site during the central west’s seven-day lockdown.

In a statement, the company said no formal approval was given to use their property and it hasn’t decided whether to take legal action.

The local health district’s chief executive Scott McLachlan said the site was used during a public health crisis.

“I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone in the middle of a pandemic would consider that having a drive-through testing clinic in the carpark outside of a facility was any risk to the facility, which was totally vacant,” he said.

—

nice but not something that a little bit of eminent domain couldn’t fix

SCIENCE said:

Bunnings COVID-19 clinic
A health service in western NSW says it could face legal action for setting up a pop-up COVID-19 testing clinic in a Bunnings carpark.

Investment company Sentinel Group Australia says it raised concerns with the Orange City Council and Western Local Health District about the use of a former Bunnings site during the central west’s seven-day lockdown.

In a statement, the company said no formal approval was given to use their property and it hasn’t decided whether to take legal action.

The local health district’s chief executive Scott McLachlan said the site was used during a public health crisis.

“I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone in the middle of a pandemic would consider that having a drive-through testing clinic in the carpark outside of a facility was any risk to the facility, which was totally vacant,” he said.

—

nice but not something that a little bit of eminent domain couldn’t fix

Technically, it wasn’t a “Bunnings Carpark”.

Point Them Fingers

Under questioning in budget estimates on Friday, Health Minister Stephen Wade said only 35 per cent of SAAS workers had received both shots of vaccine and 41 per cent had been given a first dose.

But Mr Wade today provided an update, saying the real figure was likely almost twice as high as the one cited last week, and that more than three-quarters of metropolitan officers had received first doses.

QLD Labor use the Marketing defence

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said while shopping for some items like furniture is allowed, people should hold off.

“I’m not a lawyer and I’ve got a really good team who write

No Pork Barrels Here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/coronavirus-vaccine-rate-young-people/100349594

McGowan says a very weak positive case has been detected in a FIFO worker, who may have been infectious in the community in Perth. The worker was at the airport at the same time as a positive Queensland case, and spent a week on the FMG Cloudbreak mine. He returned a positive result, then a negative result, and it is not clear if he was infectious while in the community.

To further complicate matters, the FIFO worker had been COVID-positive back in March and April last year. Mr McGowan said the man returned from the Cloudbreak mine on July 27, and was understood to be in the areas of Greenwood and Fremantle. “The gentleman’s girlfriend has been tested and returned a negative result, which is good,” Mr McGowan said.

He was asymptomatic throughout his entire experience in relation to COVID-19 this time around. “He has three very close contacts in relation to work, one of those has been tested and is also negative.”

The hottest summer accessories for people who don’t want to die a horrible death but are ashamed to admit it? A wig and dark glasses. It has been reported that some people in Missouri, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the US, are wearing disguises to their vaccine appointments because they are terrified their anti-vaxxer friends and family might find out that they are protecting themselves from a deadly virus. A local healthcare provider has even started advertising “discreet” appointments for people who want to keep their shot secret. “If you are afraid of walking into a public area where you might be seen getting your vaccine, we will work to accommodate even more of a private setting for you to receive your vaccine,” Ozarks Healthcare said in a statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/03/the-latest-terrible-pandemic-trend-vaccine-hypocrites

Jfc

dv said:

The hottest summer accessories for people who don’t want to die a horrible death but are ashamed to admit it? A wig and dark glasses. It has been reported that some people in Missouri, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the US, are wearing disguises to their vaccine appointments because they are terrified their anti-vaxxer friends and family might find out that they are protecting themselves from a deadly virus. A local healthcare provider has even started advertising “discreet” appointments for people who want to keep their shot secret. “If you are afraid of walking into a public area where you might be seen getting your vaccine, we will work to accommodate even more of a private setting for you to receive your vaccine,” Ozarks Healthcare said in a statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/03/the-latest-terrible-pandemic-trend-vaccine-hypocrites

Jfc

O.o

Still I don’t care what way they get it, pay em, fine em, get it in a happy meal just get it into em.

dv said:

The hottest summer accessories for people who don’t want to die a horrible death but are ashamed to admit it? A wig and dark glasses. It has been reported that some people in Missouri, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the US, are wearing disguises to their vaccine appointments because they are terrified their anti-vaxxer friends and family might find out that they are protecting themselves from a deadly virus. A local healthcare provider has even started advertising “discreet” appointments for people who want to keep their shot secret. “If you are afraid of walking into a public area where you might be seen getting your vaccine, we will work to accommodate even more of a private setting for you to receive your vaccine,” Ozarks Healthcare said in a statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/03/the-latest-terrible-pandemic-trend-vaccine-hypocrites

Jfc

lived in Missouri and this does not surprise me at all.. I think being land locked makes people crazy

Arts said:

dv said:

The hottest summer accessories for people who don’t want to die a horrible death but are ashamed to admit it? A wig and dark glasses. It has been reported that some people in Missouri, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the US, are wearing disguises to their vaccine appointments because they are terrified their anti-vaxxer friends and family might find out that they are protecting themselves from a deadly virus. A local healthcare provider has even started advertising “discreet” appointments for people who want to keep their shot secret. “If you are afraid of walking into a public area where you might be seen getting your vaccine, we will work to accommodate even more of a private setting for you to receive your vaccine,” Ozarks Healthcare said in a statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/03/the-latest-terrible-pandemic-trend-vaccine-hypocrites

Jfc

lived in Missouri and this does not surprise me at all.. I think being land locked makes people crazy

our emphasis

well, there’s your problem, right there

these fuck-ups are so right-wing that the most left-wing thing they can imagine is to see a healthcare worker and protect yourself from a deadly virus

no, vaccines don’t give herd immunity, they don’t protect the people around you by virtue of your being protected yourself, they aren’t the right thing to do to support Reopen For The Economy Must Grow and allow other people with age or pre-existing conditions or even just a life that someone considers valuable to get on with life

these fuck-ups are so right-wing that the most left-wing thing they can imagine is to see a healthcare worker and protect yourself from a deadly virus

all right we’re not even going to bother bringing the fact that it’s a specific school in a specific area catering to a specific educational demand, apart from raising this old article alongside

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/al-taqwa-coronavirus-outbreak-schools-reopening-questioned/12452266

but perhaps the fact that these things are apparently popping up in schools might suggest something about the state of (and the requisite response for) pandemic management 18 months in

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-04/new-case-of-covid-19-detected-in-victoria/100349908

A new case of COVID-19 has been detected in Victoria, with the health department confirming the positive case is a teacher at Al-Taqwa College in Melbourne’s west. Victoria’s COVID response Commander Jeroen Weimar told ABC Radio Melbourne’s Drive program the woman in her 20s lived in the Hobsons Bay local government area. He said health officials believed she may have been infectious while teaching at the school on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday last week. He said she was tested on Tuesday and the result came back today.

like

• could child students be highly interactive, superspreading kind of people
• could canning hundreds of children together in rooms contribute to superspreading
• could bringing multiple family representatives together all to one place mean superspreading occurs widely
• could verbal instruction involving generation of sound (id est, oscillatory pressure) through a moist airway favoured by an infectious agent, maximise the delivery of superspreading

and so forth

oh well, hope they were all wearing masks

and the classrooms had windows opened and / or air filters running

oh and good luck with that Year 12 clowning around thing that NSW are about to play in cuplawix

In other good Covid news Israel has reintroduced some Covid related restrictions.

poikilotherm said:

In other good Covid news Israel has reintroduced some Covid related restrictions.

ah an optimist

(we thought they reintroduced like 6 weeks ago or something, what went wrong)

((we thought BNT162b2 was supposed to be better than ChAdOx1-nCoV19, how do you explain UK getting better and better while IL is getting fkd))

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

In other good Covid news Israel has reintroduced some Covid related restrictions.

ah an optimist

(we thought they reintroduced like 6 weeks ago or something, what went wrong)

((we thought BNT162b2 was supposed to be better than ChAdOx1-nCoV19, how do you explain UK getting better and better while IL is getting fkd))

The uk infection rate is much much higher than Israel, some governments are more sooky about their population I guess, even with a more effective vaccine.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

In other good Covid news Israel has reintroduced some Covid related restrictions.

ah an optimist

(we thought they reintroduced like 6 weeks ago or something, what went wrong)

((we thought BNT162b2 was supposed to be better than ChAdOx1-nCoV19, how do you explain UK getting better and better while IL is getting fkd))

The uk infection rate is much much higher than Israel, some governments are more sooky about their population I guess, even with a more effective vaccine.

We should just be happy that Britain is no longer in charge of India and large chunks of Africa.

good news

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00198-X/fulltext

SCIENCE said:

these fuck-ups are so right-wing that the most left-wing thing they can imagine is to see a healthcare worker and protect yourself from a deadly virus

It should be noted that anti-vaccination is the one thing that nutjobs on the extreme right and nutjobs on the extreme left agree on.

Tunisa has newly taken over from Namibia as the world’s worst country for Covid.
Things in Namibia and Fiji have been getting better.
This in Botswana are worse, but that’s a caountry where it’s difficult to draw any valid conclusions, for several reasons.

Among countries where the death rate is lower, there are a lot of countries where the death rate is increasing. The death rate in America, briefly lower than that in Britain, has caught up again. The following are some countries where the death rate has got a lot worse in the past month. I really have concerns about the reliability of data from Ecuador, that data really does not look right.

Some of the high delta variant countries.

Tunisa has newly taken over from Namibia as the world’s worst country for Covid.
Things in Namibia and Fiji have been getting better.
This in Botswana are worse, but that’s a caountry where it’s difficult to draw any valid conclusions, for several reasons.

Among countries where the death rate is lower, there are a lot of countries where the death rate is increasing. The death rate in America, briefly lower than that in Britain, has caught up again. The following are some countries where the death rate has got a lot worse in the past month. I really have concerns about the reliability of data from Ecuador, that data really does not look right.

Some of the high delta variant countries. Not that this really means anything.

Vaccination levels. Fiji is the country with the worst combination of high (first) vaccination and high death rate. Most countries with a high death rate (Tunisia, Namibia etc.) have a low vaccination rare. Australia is as average a country as it gets for vaccination. With a death rate tripling in the past month, no-one can deny that Inonesia is the country most in need of Australia’s vaccine.

Shepparton fruit and vegetable processor SPC becomes the first Australian workplace to mandate coronavirus vaccines for all onsite staff and visitors.

Boris said:

Through his sleeve?

buffy said:

Boris said:

Through his sleeve?

I would imagine it is just a set up. I doubt he went dressed like that. he is probably more recognisable in his stage clothes.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/05/dentists-midwives-and-physiotherapists-could-deliver-covid-jabs-to-bolster-australias-rollout

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/05/sydney-covid-delta-variant-outbreak-an-epidemic-of-young-people

https://theconversation.com/how-far-should-compulsory-proof-of-vaccination-go-and-what-rights-do-new-zealanders-have-165317

27 new cases in Queensland

11 overseas linked to LNG tanker off Gladstone

—

remaining 16 cases are locally acquired linked to Indooroopilly cluster.

Three are students

nine are household contacts linked to the high school

one is a teacher at the school

—

one is linked to Brisbane Boys Grammar

one a student from Brisbane Boys Grammar.

—

4 were infectious in the community, three for one day, one for two days.

Anecdotally Delta seems to infect the young more than previous variants.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Anecdotally Delta seems to infect the young more than previous variants.

about time us oldies got a break!

https://theconversation.com/cash-or-freedoms-what-will-work-in-the-race-to-get-australia-vaccinated-against-covid-19-165531

https://theconversation.com/the-blood-of-jesus-is-my-vaccine-how-a-fringe-group-of-christians-hijacks-faith-in-a-war-against-science-165236

Witty Rejoinder said:

Anecdotally Delta seems to infect the young more than previous variants.

Maybe. Last year testing was done only for those with symptoms. We are now testing everyone who has been to a place a positive person has been, even if they have no symptoms. It’s not really apples with apples, given the rate of asymptomatic cases.

Boris said:

https://theconversation.com/cash-or-freedoms-what-will-work-in-the-race-to-get-australia-vaccinated-against-covid-19-165531

keen to release the virus

NSW today

262 cases
5 deaths

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/08/04/george-christensen-anti-lockdown-speech/

Boris said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/08/04/george-christensen-anti-lockdown-speech/

Is it worth the trouble?

Something to read from the Medical Journal of Australia

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/214/5/notes-afar-reflections-two-australian-intensivists-sweden-during-covid-19

why is it that NSW can’t learn any good lessons from VIC, like here they’re still chasing spread

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has ordered the state’s Hunter and Upper Hunter regions into a snap lockdown from 5:00pm today, following confirmation that five students from three schools are among several new local COVID-19 cases.

but VIC can apparently learn bad lessons from NSW, like this silly reporting thing that’s been covered before

Victorian authorities have not ruled out another lockdown for the state after two new local COVID-19 infections were reported today and another six yesterday. The two new cases are close contacts of a man who tested positive yesterday and will be officially reported tomorrow

buffy said:

Something to read from the Medical Journal of Australia

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/214/5/notes-afar-reflections-two-australian-intensivists-sweden-during-covid-19

so they basically had everything shut anyway, but still got a nice high number of cases and deaths nice

Speedy said:

NSW today

262 cases
5 deaths

as long as they’re over 50 or have pre-existing conditions that’ll be fine

or anti vaccination crowd, it only spreads among them right

>Is it worth the trouble?

liberate-the-virus higher life forms are a broad spectrum, and I don’t mean an antiviral or antibiotic, more like bio-terrorists is my view, the release is likely to cause harm to members of the public, involves or requires coercion to that end (release), qualifies as bio-terrorism by my definition, my working concept, my view of the essence of the idea

and people working to that end, a release, don’t want to be responsible for doing that, they want others to do it, the more the merrier, diminished responsibility, diverted responsibility perhaps, everyone and importantly nobody will be responsible

Indonesia has suffered 42000 covid deaths in the past month

dv said:

Indonesia has suffered 42000 covid deaths in the past month

:(

How is your SIL going?

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

And another one:

Comorbidity status of deceased COVID-19 in-patients in Italy

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40520-021-01914-y

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

Thems is big words. Sounds compulcated.

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

so the dry tinder bullshit was actually bullshit

Woodie said:

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

Thems is big words. Sounds compulcated.

They are saying this:

“Here we present data demonstrating that mortality due to COVID-19 in a given country could have been predicted to some extent even before the pandemic hit Europe, simply by looking at longitudinal variability of death rates in the years preceding the current outbreak.”

In short, some countries have better health than others.

Try this one. In Stockholm, where preschools and primary schools remained open, there was a lower rate of emergency visits for children to hospital. The authors suggest the general hygiene recommendations helped lower other transmissible diseases as well as COVID19.

“Reduction in paediatric emergency visits during the COVID-19 pandemic in a region with open preschools and schools”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.15978

(I’ve found a list of published studies and I’m looking for interesting ones)

This one is for moll.

“Abrupt termination of the 2019/20 influenza season following preventive measures against COVID-19 in Denmark, Norway and Sweden”

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.22.2001160

buffy said:

Woodie said:

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

Thems is big words. Sounds compulcated.

They are saying this:

“Here we present data demonstrating that mortality due to COVID-19 in a given country could have been predicted to some extent even before the pandemic hit Europe, simply by looking at longitudinal variability of death rates in the years preceding the current outbreak.”

In short, some countries have better health than others.

Try this one. In Stockholm, where preschools and primary schools remained open, there was a lower rate of emergency visits for children to hospital. The authors suggest the general hygiene recommendations helped lower other transmissible diseases as well as COVID19.

“Reduction in paediatric emergency visits during the COVID-19 pandemic in a region with open preschools and schools”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.15978

(I’ve found a list of published studies and I’m looking for interesting ones)

Are you sourcing from your Swedish doctor friend again?

buffy said:

This one is for moll.

“Abrupt termination of the 2019/20 influenza season following preventive measures against COVID-19 in Denmark, Norway and Sweden”

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.22.2001160

mollified one might say

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Woodie said:

Thems is big words. Sounds compulcated.

They are saying this:

“Here we present data demonstrating that mortality due to COVID-19 in a given country could have been predicted to some extent even before the pandemic hit Europe, simply by looking at longitudinal variability of death rates in the years preceding the current outbreak.”

In short, some countries have better health than others.

Try this one. In Stockholm, where preschools and primary schools remained open, there was a lower rate of emergency visits for children to hospital. The authors suggest the general hygiene recommendations helped lower other transmissible diseases as well as COVID19.

“Reduction in paediatric emergency visits during the COVID-19 pandemic in a region with open preschools and schools”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.15978

(I’ve found a list of published studies and I’m looking for interesting ones)

Are you sourcing from your Swedish doctor friend again?

No. I went to check where Sweden is up to (daily deaths at zero, increasing cases. Strange and interesting) And ended up here:

https://www.covid19dataportal.se/

Plenty of possible reading on recently published papers. With over a year of data now, some interesting things are starting to show up.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

This one is for moll.

“Abrupt termination of the 2019/20 influenza season following preventive measures against COVID-19 in Denmark, Norway and Sweden”

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.22.2001160

mollified one might say

It’s particularly interesting that the graphs for Denmark, Norway and Sweden are pretty much identical. Given the widely criticized differences in Sweden’s method of dealing with the pandemic.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

This one is for moll.

“Abrupt termination of the 2019/20 influenza season following preventive measures against COVID-19 in Denmark, Norway and Sweden”

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.22.2001160

mollified one might say

polite golf clap.

Ah, just went back and Sweden’s cases seem to be levelled out. Their daily deaths (7 day average) have been around zero for a few days now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

This one is for moll.

“Abrupt termination of the 2019/20 influenza season following preventive measures against COVID-19 in Denmark, Norway and Sweden”

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.22.2001160

mollified one might say

polite golf clap.

different sport

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

so the dry tinder bullshit was actually bullshit

see what turns up later, could be blood type, nutritional status such as zinc, polymorphisms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7395818/

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

This one is for moll.

“Abrupt termination of the 2019/20 influenza season following preventive measures against COVID-19 in Denmark, Norway and Sweden”

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.22.2001160

mollified one might say

It’s particularly interesting that the graphs for Denmark, Norway and Sweden are pretty much identical. Given the widely criticized differences in Sweden’s method of dealing with the pandemic.

Yeah but evidence all 18 months has been that influenza is relatively easy to eliminate, so if the other article / letter is true and they really have had markedly reduced mobility / mixing in Sverige (despite all the hyperbole) then it kind of makes sense.

But equally it does kind of imply that if you’re going to fatten the curve for COVID-19 with any measures at all, it would not have taken much more to just put some downward pressure and get reproduction below 1 and thin it out altogether. The idea of doing “just enough” or almost but not quite just seems so foolish.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

so the dry tinder bullshit was actually bullshit

see what turns up later, could be blood type, nutritional status such as zinc, polymorphisms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7395818/

Here is a more recent paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250922/

“Assessment of the role of zinc in the prevention of COVID‐19 infections and mortality: A retrospective study in the Asian and European population”

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Something else to read:

“Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts COVID-19 deaths”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-021-00777-x

so the dry tinder bullshit was actually bullshit

see what turns up later, could be blood type, nutritional status such as zinc, polymorphisms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7395818/

r u hit in on dv

buffy said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

so the dry tinder bullshit was actually bullshit

see what turns up later, could be blood type, nutritional status such as zinc, polymorphisms

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7395818/

Here is a more recent paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250922/

“Assessment of the role of zinc in the prevention of COVID‐19 infections and mortality: A retrospective study in the Asian and European population”

possibly related..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2737632/

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

mollified one might say

It’s particularly interesting that the graphs for Denmark, Norway and Sweden are pretty much identical. Given the widely criticized differences in Sweden’s method of dealing with the pandemic.

Yeah but evidence all 18 months has been that influenza is relatively easy to eliminate, so if the other article / letter is true and they really have had markedly reduced mobility / mixing in Sverige (despite all the hyperbole) then it kind of makes sense.

But equally it does kind of imply that if you’re going to fatten the curve for COVID-19 with any measures at all, it would not have taken much more to just put some downward pressure and get reproduction below 1 and thin it out altogether. The idea of doing “just enough” or almost but not quite just seems so foolish.

we mean

just look at a small area run by corrupt populists closer to home

¿ people started isolating halfway through the long March of 2020 right ?

call us fascists or something opposed but what if the devils offered you this deal

take a holiday at home for 2 weeks, leave is paid, no evictions and rent on hold if you like, breathe the fresh air, the only imposition for you is that you have to stay home, any parties or big events have to wait for 2 weeks — in exchange, we will save 4000 lives of your fellow citizens each year

¿ would we take it ?

fk imagine if a forward thinking governing body had this bright idea, fk, imagine if this became an annual thing to disrupt infectious diseases and death, not too different from rotating your crops, turning the world upside down

even better call it a mask festival, above conditions hold, but you are fully exempted if you can reliably wear a N95+ mask any time you’re likely to cross paths with someone else not in your household

Speedy said:

dv said:

Indonesia has suffered 42000 covid deaths in the past month

:(

How is your SIL going?

She’s largely recovered

dv said:

Speedy said:

dv said:

Indonesia has suffered 42000 covid deaths in the past month

:(

How is your SIL going?

She’s largely recovered

Fantastic :)

dv said:

Speedy said:

dv said:

Indonesia has suffered 42000 covid deaths in the past month

:(

How is your SIL going?

She’s largely recovered

That’s good.

:)

Some people talking a lot of crap like Bunnings is not essential

-》 Nauru

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/08/05/doherty-institute-modelling/

And Victoria is locked down again from tonight.

buffy said:

And Victoria is locked down again from tonight.

I put off going shopping this morning, decided to go tomorrow. Ah well. I can go to Hamilton for the supermarket, so I’ll go anyway. I did my other jobs in Hamilton yesterday when I took Auntie Annie in to town.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/regional-pfizer-vaccines-returned-additional-doses-for-sydney/100352876

The rollout is still all over the place.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/regional-pfizer-vaccines-returned-additional-doses-for-sydney/100352876

The rollout is still all over the place.

It’s been nearly 18 months since I wrote about Covid-19 first hitting our shores and spreading to our suburbs. The transmissibility and virulence of the Delta strain has pushed the ambulance service beyond the brink of exhaustion.

It wasn’t until paramedics and other health staff began contracting Covid at work that we realised how much trouble we were in and by then more than 200 paramedics were deemed close contacts and ordered into two weeks’ isolation. I was one of them. Despite the message from the highest levels of government, this was a race, and we had tripped over the first hurdle.

After two weeks locked in and alone, I was eager to get back to work to chip in and see my friends. My enthusiasm was quickly extinguished when I stepped into the dystopian world that used to be my workplace: hospitals in crisis and nearing capacity. The tension in the air is thick, staff morale has never been lower and, despite words of encouragement from management, the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning. Most of us are feeling anxious. Typically for paramedics, we find strength and solidarity through collective suffering.
ICU staff care for COVID-19 positive patients in St Vincent’s Hospital’s ICU. Sydney
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As the crisis in Sydney worsened, certain ambulance sectors were left dangerously short-staffed while health management scrambled to catch up. New orders were handed down – full PPE must now be worn for every patient. Full PPE means droplet precautions, mask, gloves, goggles and plastic gown. If anyone finds popping a mask on to order a coffee exasperating, try wrapping yourself in cling-wrap and going to work for 12 hours.

What started as a trickle became a flood of call-outs for Covid-positive patients needing help. It has never been like this. I’ve entered houses where all occupants are Covid positive. Some are sick, some are just scared and apologise for wasting our time. They’re not sure how bad they need to get before they should go to hospital. Some don’t speak English, or have poor health literacy, and fear there’ll be repercussions should they test positive. Fear of testing not only prolongs lockdowns, it can also prove deadly.

I went home, went to bed and woke up the next day to do it all over again. I’ll keep doing so until we’re out of this

I’ve turned up to a house to find every member symptomatic, and none had been tested. We found a patient unconscious and not breathing and commenced CPR. Chest compressions aren’t like the movies, they’re brutal. CPR is also physically demanding, particularly in restrictive PPE. Trying to keep calm while out of breath under a mask, sweating under a layer of plastic while trying to insert an artificial airway, get a cannula in a vein, evaluate a cardiac rhythm on a monitor to determine whether to deliver a shock isn’t a walk in the park.
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Conveying sympathy to a family, through fogged up goggles, that their loved one couldn’t be saved is even harder. The whole household ended up being Covid-positive and needed hospitalisation. This is now a typical shift for us.

The other night on my way home, while popping into the bottle shop to pick up an essential item, I noticed an irate customer at the checkout not wearing a mask. He was yelling about his rights and calling the teenage worker “Gladys’ puppet”. As I watched him ranting about the vaccine to the perplexed looking teenager behind perspex, I began to ponder.

I wondered if this man was having an asthma attack, would he question the nebuliser I’d administer to open up his airways. If he had an anaphylactic reaction to his bottle of rum, would he call life-saving adrenaline a “fake drug”. If he slipped and broke a leg, would he trust me to put a needle in his vein and give morphine or would he ask for proof that it worked? No, I’m pretty sure if this man was in strife, he would be desperate for my help. He would put faith in the science, the protocols and the training of the practitioner providing the treatment. He would listen to the health advice.

Every person who disobeys health orders pushes the finish line further back. Like everyone out there providing an essential service, I’m sacrificing more than my freedom. The loneliness I feel by keeping totally isolated from loved ones and the risk I put myself at helping us all get back to a normal life is burning me out.

In that moment, I felt like getting into an argument but instead I left. I went home, went to bed and woke up the next day to do it all over again. I’ll keep doing so until we’re out of this. If everyone else does their part by getting vaccinated you’ll ensure paramedics aren’t left in pieces beyond the pandemic. After all, we’re only human too.

The author is a paramedic at an ambulance station in Sydney’s south-west

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/05/as-paramedics-in-south-west-sydney-we-are-pushed-beyond-exhaustion-and-into-a-dystopian-world

SCIENCE said:

What dose “Covid positive on ecmo” mean?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What dose “Covid positive on ecmo” mean?

Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO), also known as extracorporeal life support (ECLS), is an extracorporeal technique of providing prolonged cardiac and respiratory support to persons whose heart and lungs are unable to provide an adequate amount of gas exchange or perfusion to sustain life

For the first time in history Canberra is the best place to be in Australia.

sibeen said:

For the first time in history Canberra is the best place to be in Australia.

LOL, SW WA for the win.

Speedy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What dose “Covid positive on ecmo” mean?

Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO), also known as extracorporeal life support (ECLS), is an extracorporeal technique of providing prolonged cardiac and respiratory support to persons whose heart and lungs are unable to provide an adequate amount of gas exchange or perfusion to sustain life

Ah.

That’s pretty sad then.

propaganda

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/english-study-finds-50-60-reduced-risk-covid-double-vaccinated-2021-08-03/

English study finds 50-60% reduced risk of COVID for double-vaccinated

what was that again

Fully-vaccinated people have an around 50 to 60% reduced risk of infection from the Delta coronavirus variant, including those who are asymptomatic

oh well better than our concern it would be 10% so time to party oh wait that’s what they’re already doing

“Seven people have died in total after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine, including one woman who died on July 2 from immune thrombocytopenia linked to the vaccine. That takes the death rate to one in every one million doses. In the Sydney outbreak, the death rate from COVID-19 is just over one in every 200 cases”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/sixth-death-linked-to-astrazeneca-clotting-as-covid-fatalities-climb-20210805-p58g8i.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

“Seven people have died in total after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine, including one woman who died on July 2 from immune thrombocytopenia linked to the vaccine. That takes the death rate to one in every one million doses. In the Sydney outbreak, the death rate from COVID-19 is just over one in every 200 cases”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/sixth-death-linked-to-astrazeneca-clotting-as-covid-fatalities-climb-20210805-p58g8i.html

fair point but imagine if they bought Comirnaty and that became one in every twenty million oh well

or

so Albanese reckons a one in a million chance of death is worth $300 or a life is worth $300M that’s not what the economists tell us