Date: 3/08/2021 20:45:26
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1773346
Subject: Garden plants?

What should I plant in my garden?
A warning up front, the soil is best described as “sand dune”.
All garden areas are next to fences, so no plants that will push fences.

The cypresses are down. The ivy is out. The invasive plants are out, but I wouldn’t mind having some of them back.

The westringia is doing wonderfully but, well, why on Earth would you want a westringia in the first place?

The money tree by the front door is managing OK.
The bottlebrushes are hanging on (they did not compete well with the cypresses).

The lemon tree is sick.
Ditto gardenias and iruses, they should all be pulled out.
The hydrangea is dead.
The cootamundra wattle fell over and had to be removed.
Tha catoniasta has been been cut right back.
I’m trying to kill off the Lilly pilly.

Through bad pruning, the plum and olive have stopped producing fruit (I think I cut off all the grafted branches leaving only rootstock).

In other words, all I have is plants I don’t want.

——-

So, given that I’d be quite happy to pull out every plant I have in the garden and start again from scratch, what would you recommend?

Ideally for the front garden I’d like two storeys. Short trees up about 4 metres tall and an understory of perennials up to half a metre.

For the back garden I’d like bushes up to two metres tall.

This is a garden dedicated to birds and possums. So ideally some nice fruit for them to eat, some nectar for those with a sweet tooth, and dense foliage at height for birds and possums to build nests in.

My only thoughts so far are woolly-bush and sasanqua camellias. Hardy and easy to care for.
I have not a clue about perennial understory plants.

No cactuses or roses, please.

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Date: 3/08/2021 20:48:04
From: dv
ID: 1773350
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Marijuana

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Date: 3/08/2021 20:49:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1773351
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


What should I plant in my garden?
A warning up front, the soil is best described as “sand dune”.
All garden areas are next to fences, so no plants that will push fences.

The cypresses are down. The ivy is out. The invasive plants are out, but I wouldn’t mind having some of them back.

The westringia is doing wonderfully but, well, why on Earth would you want a westringia in the first place?

The money tree by the front door is managing OK.
The bottlebrushes are hanging on (they did not compete well with the cypresses).

The lemon tree is sick.
Ditto gardenias and iruses, they should all be pulled out.
The hydrangea is dead.
The cootamundra wattle fell over and had to be removed.
Tha catoniasta has been been cut right back.
I’m trying to kill off the Lilly pilly.

Through bad pruning, the plum and olive have stopped producing fruit (I think I cut off all the grafted branches leaving only rootstock).

In other words, all I have is plants I don’t want.

——-

So, given that I’d be quite happy to pull out every plant I have in the garden and start again from scratch, what would you recommend?

Ideally for the front garden I’d like two storeys. Short trees up about 4 metres tall and an understory of perennials up to half a metre.

For the back garden I’d like bushes up to two metres tall.

This is a garden dedicated to birds and possums. So ideally some nice fruit for them to eat, some nectar for those with a sweet tooth, and dense foliage at height for birds and possums to build nests in.

My only thoughts so far are woolly-bush and sasanqua camellias. Hardy and easy to care for.
I have not a clue about perennial understory plants.

No cactuses or roses, please.


Where are you?

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Date: 3/08/2021 20:55:23
From: buffy
ID: 1773353
Subject: re: Garden plants?

sarahs mum said:


mollwollfumble said:

What should I plant in my garden?
A warning up front, the soil is best described as “sand dune”.
All garden areas are next to fences, so no plants that will push fences.

The cypresses are down. The ivy is out. The invasive plants are out, but I wouldn’t mind having some of them back.

The westringia is doing wonderfully but, well, why on Earth would you want a westringia in the first place?

The money tree by the front door is managing OK.
The bottlebrushes are hanging on (they did not compete well with the cypresses).

The lemon tree is sick.
Ditto gardenias and iruses, they should all be pulled out.
The hydrangea is dead.
The cootamundra wattle fell over and had to be removed.
Tha catoniasta has been been cut right back.
I’m trying to kill off the Lilly pilly.

Through bad pruning, the plum and olive have stopped producing fruit (I think I cut off all the grafted branches leaving only rootstock).

In other words, all I have is plants I don’t want.

——-

So, given that I’d be quite happy to pull out every plant I have in the garden and start again from scratch, what would you recommend?

Ideally for the front garden I’d like two storeys. Short trees up about 4 metres tall and an understory of perennials up to half a metre.

For the back garden I’d like bushes up to two metres tall.

This is a garden dedicated to birds and possums. So ideally some nice fruit for them to eat, some nectar for those with a sweet tooth, and dense foliage at height for birds and possums to build nests in.

My only thoughts so far are woolly-bush and sasanqua camellias. Hardy and easy to care for.
I have not a clue about perennial understory plants.

No cactuses or roses, please.


Where are you?

Melbourne bayside.

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Date: 3/08/2021 20:57:21
From: buffy
ID: 1773354
Subject: re: Garden plants?

This might be somewhere to start.

https://www.bayside.vic.gov.au/list-indigenous-small-medium-trees

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Date: 3/08/2021 20:59:34
From: buffy
ID: 1773356
Subject: re: Garden plants?

https://apsvic.org.au/

Australian Plants Society

Some suggestions for sources down the right side of the page.

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Date: 3/08/2021 21:00:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1773358
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

What should I plant in my garden?
A warning up front, the soil is best described as “sand dune”.
All garden areas are next to fences, so no plants that will push fences.

The cypresses are down. The ivy is out. The invasive plants are out, but I wouldn’t mind having some of them back.

The westringia is doing wonderfully but, well, why on Earth would you want a westringia in the first place?

The money tree by the front door is managing OK.
The bottlebrushes are hanging on (they did not compete well with the cypresses).

The lemon tree is sick.
Ditto gardenias and iruses, they should all be pulled out.
The hydrangea is dead.
The cootamundra wattle fell over and had to be removed.
Tha catoniasta has been been cut right back.
I’m trying to kill off the Lilly pilly.

Through bad pruning, the plum and olive have stopped producing fruit (I think I cut off all the grafted branches leaving only rootstock).

In other words, all I have is plants I don’t want.

——-

So, given that I’d be quite happy to pull out every plant I have in the garden and start again from scratch, what would you recommend?

Ideally for the front garden I’d like two storeys. Short trees up about 4 metres tall and an understory of perennials up to half a metre.

For the back garden I’d like bushes up to two metres tall.

This is a garden dedicated to birds and possums. So ideally some nice fruit for them to eat, some nectar for those with a sweet tooth, and dense foliage at height for birds and possums to build nests in.

My only thoughts so far are woolly-bush and sasanqua camellias. Hardy and easy to care for.
I have not a clue about perennial understory plants.

No cactuses or roses, please.


Where are you?

Melbourne bayside.


Ta.

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Date: 3/08/2021 21:03:22
From: buffy
ID: 1773360
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Your local council may have something too. Here is a page from Melbourne.

https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/community/greening-the-city/urban-nature/Pages/urban-nature-planting-guide.aspx

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Date: 3/08/2021 21:41:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773371
Subject: re: Garden plants?

“Tha catoniasta has been been cut right back”. ;) catatonic cotton easter.
“Iruses”. Orris you one and see you with iris.

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Date: 3/08/2021 21:45:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773372
Subject: re: Garden plants?

You’d wan a Westringea because they work almost anywhere and they are easily kept in shape. All this apart from the fact that they assist the native biodiversity. Something Cotoneaster doesn’t do so effectively. In that Cotoneaster is favoured by English blackbirds rather than blue wrens.

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Date: 3/08/2021 21:46:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773373
Subject: re: Garden plants?

dv said:


Marijuana

At least that will draw toxic metals out of the soil for you.

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Date: 3/08/2021 21:54:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1773376
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Marijuana

At least that will draw toxic metals out of the soil for you.

it is a soil conditioner.

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Date: 4/08/2021 14:00:09
From: Arts
ID: 1773556
Subject: re: Garden plants?

stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

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Date: 4/08/2021 14:18:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773569
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

Well said.

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Date: 4/08/2021 22:56:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1773701
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

“local natvies” – no such thing for inner suburban Melbourne. You’re kidding yourself if you think there are. For exasmple, I can personally gaurantee that there is not one plant among the hundred thousand in the whole of the 37.7 km² of the “Melbourne City Council” area that is actually a “local native”, ie. descended from a plant that was there before Europeans arrived, with the one possible exception of a little wallaby grass.

buffy said:


Your local council may have something too. Here is a page from Melbourne.
https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/community/greening-the-city/urban-nature/Pages/urban-nature-planting-guide.aspx
https://apsvic.org.au/
Australian Plants Society
Some suggestions for sources down the right side of the page.

Ta buffy. Will look it up.

If I was anywhere within 1 km of any native reserve then I’d take native plants seriously. But I’m not. So I don’t. Native wildlife (pussum, birds, insects) take preference. Australian native animals almost universally prefer non-native plants. (Particularly blackberry and lantana, I’ve noticed. Native insects love ivy).

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Date: 4/08/2021 23:13:43
From: Arts
ID: 1773708
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


Arts said:

stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

“local natvies” – no such thing for inner suburban Melbourne. You’re kidding yourself if you think there are. For exasmple, I can personally gaurantee that there is not one plant among the hundred thousand in the whole of the 37.7 km² of the “Melbourne City Council” area that is actually a “local native”, ie. descended from a plant that was there before Europeans arrived, with the one possible exception of a little wallaby grass.

buffy said:


Your local council may have something too. Here is a page from Melbourne.
https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/community/greening-the-city/urban-nature/Pages/urban-nature-planting-guide.aspx
https://apsvic.org.au/
Australian Plants Society
Some suggestions for sources down the right side of the page.

Ta buffy. Will look it up.

If I was anywhere within 1 km of any native reserve then I’d take native plants seriously. But I’m not. So I don’t. Native wildlife (pussum, birds, insects) take preference. Australian native animals almost universally prefer non-native plants. (Particularly blackberry and lantana, I’ve noticed. Native insects love ivy).

So you are part of the problem. Knock yourself out then.

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Date: 4/08/2021 23:18:35
From: Boris
ID: 1773710
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


Arts said:

stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

“local natvies” – no such thing for inner suburban Melbourne. You’re kidding yourself if you think there are. For exasmple, I can personally gaurantee that there is not one plant among the hundred thousand in the whole of the 37.7 km² of the “Melbourne City Council” area that is actually a “local native”, ie. descended from a plant that was there before Europeans arrived, with the one possible exception of a little wallaby grass.

buffy said:


Your local council may have something too. Here is a page from Melbourne.
https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/community/greening-the-city/urban-nature/Pages/urban-nature-planting-guide.aspx
https://apsvic.org.au/
Australian Plants Society
Some suggestions for sources down the right side of the page.

Ta buffy. Will look it up.

If I was anywhere within 1 km of any native reserve then I’d take native plants seriously. But I’m not. So I don’t. Native wildlife (pussum, birds, insects) take preference. Australian native animals almost universally prefer non-native plants. (Particularly blackberry and lantana, I’ve noticed. Native insects love ivy).

LOL, no native plants within cooee”, possums etc prefer non-natives. Maybe eating non natives is preferable to not eating anything?

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Date: 5/08/2021 04:08:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1773723
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Looks like I’m on my own.

I thought some of you guys used to visit the Gardening Forum?

Warning: Pet Peeves.

First Pet Peeve. It used to be that snobs in this city would only plant non-native trees.
eg. all the elm trees in Melbourne. Because no native insect will go near the elms, the biodiversity in areas planted with elms is exceedingly low. I call it an “Elm Desert”. Cut the bloody Elms down, all of them. Then it turned around so that the snobs in this country would only plant native plants. One result is that travesty called Westgate Park. Both native and introduced plants that had survivied to the start of the park were completely ripped up, and the result is introducted natives from all over the country arranged “artistically” in the style of the garden of a snobbish Emglishman, nothing remotely like how the plants would have appeared in the Australian countriside.

Councils. Spraying herbicide and insecticide all over the place. With the result that native insects and arachnids are all but wiped out, murdered, in parks controlled by these councils. I’ve found from observations that the best sites for native birds within Melbourne are all in areas that have both blackberries and rabbits. Having blackberries and rabbits doesn’t always guarantee the existence of good bush birds, because the council may be spraying insectides, but not having them does always guarantee low biodiversity. Having ivy or similar introduced dense creeper is great for getting an enormous variety of native ants, spiders, wasps, myriapoda etc.

End of Pet Peeves.

I have planted both native and introduced plants in my garden. I planted the bottlebrushes, the cootamundra wattle, the lili pilli, etc. The real problem with native plants is native diseases. Diseases in Australia have adapted to attack native plants. I prefer not to have to contend with plant pests, neither by spraying or by masses of hard work. And don’t try to sell me on co-planting, it’s hard enough to keep one species alive. Hardy plants only.

What I want to achieve is the following. Upper storey and understory. Trees/bushes of the upper story to be no more than 4 metres high (mrs m calls everything over 3 m high “a tall tree” and cuts it down – huh – but only in our yard, she doesn’t mind that the neighbours trees shading our place on all three sides are more than 20 metres high).

The plants in the understorey have to be shade tolerant and drought/flood tolerant. The plants in the upper storey have to have thick foliage above 1 metre from the ground but not lower, to make homes for birds and ringtails. eg. although I like grevilleas, the foliage is never anywhere dense enough for birds or ringtails to nest.

Perhaps surprisingly, frost tolerance is not a big concern. No frost at all this winter.

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Date: 5/08/2021 07:02:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773731
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


Looks like I’m on my own.

I thought some of you guys used to visit the Gardening Forum?

Warning: Pet Peeves.

First Pet Peeve. It used to be that snobs in this city would only plant non-native trees.
eg. all the elm trees in Melbourne. Because no native insect will go near the elms, the biodiversity in areas planted with elms is exceedingly low. I call it an “Elm Desert”. Cut the bloody Elms down, all of them. Then it turned around so that the snobs in this country would only plant native plants. One result is that travesty called Westgate Park. Both native and introduced plants that had survivied to the start of the park were completely ripped up, and the result is introducted natives from all over the country arranged “artistically” in the style of the garden of a snobbish Emglishman, nothing remotely like how the plants would have appeared in the Australian countriside.

Councils. Spraying herbicide and insecticide all over the place. With the result that native insects and arachnids are all but wiped out, murdered, in parks controlled by these councils. I’ve found from observations that the best sites for native birds within Melbourne are all in areas that have both blackberries and rabbits. Having blackberries and rabbits doesn’t always guarantee the existence of good bush birds, because the council may be spraying insectides, but not having them does always guarantee low biodiversity. Having ivy or similar introduced dense creeper is great for getting an enormous variety of native ants, spiders, wasps, myriapoda etc.

End of Pet Peeves.

I have planted both native and introduced plants in my garden. I planted the bottlebrushes, the cootamundra wattle, the lili pilli, etc. The real problem with native plants is native diseases. Diseases in Australia have adapted to attack native plants. I prefer not to have to contend with plant pests, neither by spraying or by masses of hard work. And don’t try to sell me on co-planting, it’s hard enough to keep one species alive. Hardy plants only.

What I want to achieve is the following. Upper storey and understory. Trees/bushes of the upper story to be no more than 4 metres high (mrs m calls everything over 3 m high “a tall tree” and cuts it down – huh – but only in our yard, she doesn’t mind that the neighbours trees shading our place on all three sides are more than 20 metres high).

The plants in the understorey have to be shade tolerant and drought/flood tolerant. The plants in the upper storey have to have thick foliage above 1 metre from the ground but not lower, to make homes for birds and ringtails. eg. although I like grevilleas, the foliage is never anywhere dense enough for birds or ringtails to nest.

Perhaps surprisingly, frost tolerance is not a big concern. No frost at all this winter.

Cement the lot and buy a tin of green paint.
or
Move away from any city.
Mindset is clearly a problem for you. Obviously gardening is too.
Your biggest problem is the trees on three sides of you, if the only tree free side is facing south. You need light to grow most plants. They need their space.

Look at it this way, you are asking for a landscape garden plan on the internet for free. When landscapers charge thousands to draw up the plan.
If you want help with any garden we need a layout of where things exist and how all this lines up with available light etcetera.

I recall doing a planting plan for a set of home units that were being built. Got called in by the parks and gardens boss man who had suddenly accrued a pile of boooks about native plants. Apparently one of his apprentices had been to a university and had lent him the books.
The reason, the developer had asked me for the plan but the powers that be didn’t really want to see anything but box hedge and prunus.
One question was why do you expect spotted gums to be in these places? I said, there isn’t a single spotted gum on the plans. He asked well what is E. maculata then? I said in the species list, that is clearly marked Eremophila maculata. Which he then had to look up.
What about this Acacia lineata then? I said it only grows 1.2m at best. Then he showed that he had read the books, “but it can grow up to 2m across”. I returned with, that’s what secateurs are for. Seriously, with that much concrete around them they’ll be lucky to ever need pruning.

Now there may be a tree called lollipop? No. There are however, trees that can be grafted on standards, thus having no leaves at all up to the point where the grafted top is. Now the top can be weeping or upright or it can be a bushy type which someone keeps clipped to look like a lollippop. I have personally grafted around two of thousand high standard Robinia every year for around forty years. Then another couple of thou each of standard cherries, weeping mulberry etc. It isn’t my style but there are a lot of these out there.
On that note, There are in the marketplace, grafted standard Grevillea and Banksia that I am aware of. Such grafted standards will be difficult to stop birds nesting in.

If you have ringnecks or rosellas and want to encourage them you definitely cannot go past any eremophila, though E. maculata are clear favourites of theirs. I call Eremophila ‘shaking bush’, because there are always birds in them. It isn’t just flower seeking birds but the like of any of the fairy wrens, thornbills and all the little birds do love them too. Eremophila are desert loving(it is in the name). Drought and flood tolerant.
Eucalyptus erythronema also has desert loving in its name and is a small tree with crimson flowers and white trunk. Also a fave of ringnecks. I have two hundred of these at the moment but they are currently less than 5mm tall.
In my time, I’ve always avoided any frost susceptible plant other than summer veg.

If you have a ringtail possum problem then don’t plant any trees.

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Date: 5/08/2021 07:47:11
From: buffy
ID: 1773739
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


Arts said:

stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

“local natvies” – no such thing for inner suburban Melbourne. You’re kidding yourself if you think there are. For exasmple, I can personally gaurantee that there is not one plant among the hundred thousand in the whole of the 37.7 km² of the “Melbourne City Council” area that is actually a “local native”, ie. descended from a plant that was there before Europeans arrived, with the one possible exception of a little wallaby grass.

buffy said:


Your local council may have something too. Here is a page from Melbourne.
https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/community/greening-the-city/urban-nature/Pages/urban-nature-planting-guide.aspx
https://apsvic.org.au/
Australian Plants Society
Some suggestions for sources down the right side of the page.

Ta buffy. Will look it up.

If I was anywhere within 1 km of any native reserve then I’d take native plants seriously. But I’m not. So I don’t. Native wildlife (pussum, birds, insects) take preference. Australian native animals almost universally prefer non-native plants. (Particularly blackberry and lantana, I’ve noticed. Native insects love ivy).

No, they don’t prefer the exotics. You just have to provide the locals. And you are mistaken about there being nothing local available. There have been proper nurseries for indigenous plants in Melbourne since I was a child. See my links. The aps one has link to a map for finding them.

https://apsvic.org.au/nurseries-and-public-gardens/

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Date: 5/08/2021 07:49:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773740
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


mollwollfumble said:

Arts said:

stick with local natives.. look around at what councils do in their green spaces, because they are often plant that require no extra watering after establishment and little maintenance.
Local species will help with local wildlife like insects and lizards and birds.

I’m getting sick of seeing people fuck around with plants and cottage gardens

“local natvies” – no such thing for inner suburban Melbourne. You’re kidding yourself if you think there are. For exasmple, I can personally gaurantee that there is not one plant among the hundred thousand in the whole of the 37.7 km² of the “Melbourne City Council” area that is actually a “local native”, ie. descended from a plant that was there before Europeans arrived, with the one possible exception of a little wallaby grass.

buffy said:


Your local council may have something too. Here is a page from Melbourne.
https://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/community/greening-the-city/urban-nature/Pages/urban-nature-planting-guide.aspx
https://apsvic.org.au/
Australian Plants Society
Some suggestions for sources down the right side of the page.

Ta buffy. Will look it up.

If I was anywhere within 1 km of any native reserve then I’d take native plants seriously. But I’m not. So I don’t. Native wildlife (pussum, birds, insects) take preference. Australian native animals almost universally prefer non-native plants. (Particularly blackberry and lantana, I’ve noticed. Native insects love ivy).

No, they don’t prefer the exotics. You just have to provide the locals. And you are mistaken about there being nothing local available. There have been proper nurseries for indigenous plants in Melbourne since I was a child. See my links. The aps one has link to a map for finding them.

https://apsvic.org.au/nurseries-and-public-gardens/


Yes yes yes and yes.

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Date: 5/08/2021 07:51:55
From: buffy
ID: 1773741
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Try here:

http://www.greenlinksandbelt.org.au/

http://www.carrumindigenousnursery.com.au/

https://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Environment-and-Waste/Environment/Frankston-Indigenous-Nursery

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Date: 5/08/2021 07:56:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773742
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


Try here:

http://www.greenlinksandbelt.org.au/

http://www.carrumindigenousnursery.com.au/

https://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Environment-and-Waste/Environment/Frankston-Indigenous-Nursery

I must one day, go to Melbourne, just to have a look at the extensive native botanic gardens and all the nurseries. Have been supplying Melbourne nurseries much of my life.

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Date: 5/08/2021 08:18:24
From: buffy
ID: 1773746
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Try here:

http://www.greenlinksandbelt.org.au/

http://www.carrumindigenousnursery.com.au/

https://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Environment-and-Waste/Environment/Frankston-Indigenous-Nursery

I must one day, go to Melbourne, just to have a look at the extensive native botanic gardens and all the nurseries. Have been supplying Melbourne nurseries much of my life.

If you do, you need to go to the Maranoa Gardens. So does moll, actually. He should find his birds there. We used to go there for picnics when children.

https://www.boroondara.vic.gov.au/recreation-arts/parks-and-gardens/maranoa-botanic-gardens

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Date: 5/08/2021 08:47:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773754
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Try here:

http://www.greenlinksandbelt.org.au/

http://www.carrumindigenousnursery.com.au/

https://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Environment-and-Waste/Environment/Frankston-Indigenous-Nursery

I must one day, go to Melbourne, just to have a look at the extensive native botanic gardens and all the nurseries. Have been supplying Melbourne nurseries much of my life.

If you do, you need to go to the Maranoa Gardens. So does moll, actually. He should find his birds there. We used to go there for picnics when children.

https://www.boroondara.vic.gov.au/recreation-arts/parks-and-gardens/maranoa-botanic-gardens


Yes. I’d love to do that.

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Date: 5/08/2021 08:55:49
From: buffy
ID: 1773757
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


Looks like I’m on my own.

I thought some of you guys used to visit the Gardening Forum?

Warning: Pet Peeves.

First Pet Peeve. It used to be that snobs in this city would only plant non-native trees.
eg. all the elm trees in Melbourne. Because no native insect will go near the elms, the biodiversity in areas planted with elms is exceedingly low. I call it an “Elm Desert”. Cut the bloody Elms down, all of them. Then it turned around so that the snobs in this country would only plant native plants. One result is that travesty called Westgate Park. Both native and introduced plants that had survivied to the start of the park were completely ripped up, and the result is introducted natives from all over the country arranged “artistically” in the style of the garden of a snobbish Emglishman, nothing remotely like how the plants would have appeared in the Australian countriside.

Councils. Spraying herbicide and insecticide all over the place. With the result that native insects and arachnids are all but wiped out, murdered, in parks controlled by these councils. I’ve found from observations that the best sites for native birds within Melbourne are all in areas that have both blackberries and rabbits. Having blackberries and rabbits doesn’t always guarantee the existence of good bush birds, because the council may be spraying insectides, but not having them does always guarantee low biodiversity. Having ivy or similar introduced dense creeper is great for getting an enormous variety of native ants, spiders, wasps, myriapoda etc.

End of Pet Peeves.

I have planted both native and introduced plants in my garden. I planted the bottlebrushes, the cootamundra wattle, the lili pilli, etc. The real problem with native plants is native diseases. Diseases in Australia have adapted to attack native plants. I prefer not to have to contend with plant pests, neither by spraying or by masses of hard work. And don’t try to sell me on co-planting, it’s hard enough to keep one species alive. Hardy plants only.

What I want to achieve is the following. Upper storey and understory. Trees/bushes of the upper story to be no more than 4 metres high (mrs m calls everything over 3 m high “a tall tree” and cuts it down – huh – but only in our yard, she doesn’t mind that the neighbours trees shading our place on all three sides are more than 20 metres high).

The plants in the understorey have to be shade tolerant and drought/flood tolerant. The plants in the upper storey have to have thick foliage above 1 metre from the ground but not lower, to make homes for birds and ringtails. eg. although I like grevilleas, the foliage is never anywhere dense enough for birds or ringtails to nest.

Perhaps surprisingly, frost tolerance is not a big concern. No frost at all this winter.

So the most important rule for planting something resembling bush (you won’t get proper bush) is no straight lines. The edges of your beds need to be curved and wandering. And little to no symmetry. The bush doesn’t do symmetry. Having established that, get your taller plants in first and established. I looked through the Melbourne city council list and the ones I know that are tough as nails are:

Banksia integrifolia: coastal Banksia. Parrots like banksias and so do wattle birds, honeyeaters, finches. Come to that we get all sorts of birds in the Banksia. You have to be prepared to prune it up the trunk if you want it clear at the bottom. Mine also gets pruned off the top too to stop it playing with the electricity wire to the Little Shed. It has become a Rather Interesting shape over the years. But it swarms with birds.

Leptospermum laevigatum: coastal teatree

Myoporum insulare: boobialla

Banksia and teatree can be pruned to have a clear trunk.

(I’ll start another post)

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:08:11
From: Arts
ID: 1773760
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

Looks like I’m on my own.

I thought some of you guys used to visit the Gardening Forum?

Warning: Pet Peeves.

First Pet Peeve. It used to be that snobs in this city would only plant non-native trees.
eg. all the elm trees in Melbourne. Because no native insect will go near the elms, the biodiversity in areas planted with elms is exceedingly low. I call it an “Elm Desert”. Cut the bloody Elms down, all of them. Then it turned around so that the snobs in this country would only plant native plants. One result is that travesty called Westgate Park. Both native and introduced plants that had survivied to the start of the park were completely ripped up, and the result is introducted natives from all over the country arranged “artistically” in the style of the garden of a snobbish Emglishman, nothing remotely like how the plants would have appeared in the Australian countriside.

Councils. Spraying herbicide and insecticide all over the place. With the result that native insects and arachnids are all but wiped out, murdered, in parks controlled by these councils. I’ve found from observations that the best sites for native birds within Melbourne are all in areas that have both blackberries and rabbits. Having blackberries and rabbits doesn’t always guarantee the existence of good bush birds, because the council may be spraying insectides, but not having them does always guarantee low biodiversity. Having ivy or similar introduced dense creeper is great for getting an enormous variety of native ants, spiders, wasps, myriapoda etc.

End of Pet Peeves.

I have planted both native and introduced plants in my garden. I planted the bottlebrushes, the cootamundra wattle, the lili pilli, etc. The real problem with native plants is native diseases. Diseases in Australia have adapted to attack native plants. I prefer not to have to contend with plant pests, neither by spraying or by masses of hard work. And don’t try to sell me on co-planting, it’s hard enough to keep one species alive. Hardy plants only.

What I want to achieve is the following. Upper storey and understory. Trees/bushes of the upper story to be no more than 4 metres high (mrs m calls everything over 3 m high “a tall tree” and cuts it down – huh – but only in our yard, she doesn’t mind that the neighbours trees shading our place on all three sides are more than 20 metres high).

The plants in the understorey have to be shade tolerant and drought/flood tolerant. The plants in the upper storey have to have thick foliage above 1 metre from the ground but not lower, to make homes for birds and ringtails. eg. although I like grevilleas, the foliage is never anywhere dense enough for birds or ringtails to nest.

Perhaps surprisingly, frost tolerance is not a big concern. No frost at all this winter.

Cement the lot and buy a tin of green paint.
or
Move away from any city.
Mindset is clearly a problem for you. Obviously gardening is too.
Your biggest problem is the trees on three sides of you, if the only tree free side is facing south. You need light to grow most plants. They need their space.

Look at it this way, you are asking for a landscape garden plan on the internet for free. When landscapers charge thousands to draw up the plan.
If you want help with any garden we need a layout of where things exist and how all this lines up with available light etcetera.

I recall doing a planting plan for a set of home units that were being built. Got called in by the parks and gardens boss man who had suddenly accrued a pile of boooks about native plants. Apparently one of his apprentices had been to a university and had lent him the books.
The reason, the developer had asked me for the plan but the powers that be didn’t really want to see anything but box hedge and prunus.
One question was why do you expect spotted gums to be in these places? I said, there isn’t a single spotted gum on the plans. He asked well what is E. maculata then? I said in the species list, that is clearly marked Eremophila maculata. Which he then had to look up.
What about this Acacia lineata then? I said it only grows 1.2m at best. Then he showed that he had read the books, “but it can grow up to 2m across”. I returned with, that’s what secateurs are for. Seriously, with that much concrete around them they’ll be lucky to ever need pruning.

Now there may be a tree called lollipop? No. There are however, trees that can be grafted on standards, thus having no leaves at all up to the point where the grafted top is. Now the top can be weeping or upright or it can be a bushy type which someone keeps clipped to look like a lollippop. I have personally grafted around two of thousand high standard Robinia every year for around forty years. Then another couple of thou each of standard cherries, weeping mulberry etc. It isn’t my style but there are a lot of these out there.
On that note, There are in the marketplace, grafted standard Grevillea and Banksia that I am aware of. Such grafted standards will be difficult to stop birds nesting in.

If you have ringnecks or rosellas and want to encourage them you definitely cannot go past any eremophila, though E. maculata are clear favourites of theirs. I call Eremophila ‘shaking bush’, because there are always birds in them. It isn’t just flower seeking birds but the like of any of the fairy wrens, thornbills and all the little birds do love them too. Eremophila are desert loving(it is in the name). Drought and flood tolerant.
Eucalyptus erythronema also has desert loving in its name and is a small tree with crimson flowers and white trunk. Also a fave of ringnecks. I have two hundred of these at the moment but they are currently less than 5mm tall.
In my time, I’ve always avoided any frost susceptible plant other than summer veg.

If you have a ringtail possum problem then don’t plant any trees.

Possums love a peppermint tree

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:12:55
From: buffy
ID: 1773761
Subject: re: Garden plants?

So, demonstrating the no straight lines thing, I planted out this area around 20 years ago. It has had various plants over the years. I had the advantage of space, so I was able to plant a blackwood wattle (too big for you, moll). I also planted three (always plant in odd numbers of plants) native frangipani. Hymenosporum flavum. They are a Queenslander, but I planted them for family reasons. They are now mature trees and fill the whole block (of houses, not the houseblock) with perfume for about 3 months of the year. If you don’t like mess on the ground though, don’t plant them. They drop their flowers all over the place.


Under there, behind the bricks is Microsorium diversifolium, kangaroo fern. Tough as old boots. Fishbone fern is also pretty tough outside and I’ve got that growing facing West under the tank stand.

Under those ones is Dichondra, which dies down and comes back, and can be quite lush. You can run the mower over it to keep it tidy. And you have to weed out any foreigners that grow amongst it.

Note also logs lying on the ground and rocks. You don’t have innumerable rocks like I do, and I just bring back habitat logs from our bush block. But such things can be acquired in Melbourne. They supply places for lizards etc to live.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:15:43
From: Arts
ID: 1773762
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


Looks like I’m on my own.

I thought some of you guys used to visit the Gardening Forum?

Warning: Pet Peeves.

First Pet Peeve. It used to be that snobs in this city would only plant non-native trees.
eg. all the elm trees in Melbourne. Because no native insect will go near the elms, the biodiversity in areas planted with elms is exceedingly low. I call it an “Elm Desert”. Cut the bloody Elms down, all of them. Then it turned around so that the snobs in this country would only plant native plants. One result is that travesty called Westgate Park. Both native and introduced plants that had survivied to the start of the park were completely ripped up, and the result is introducted natives from all over the country arranged “artistically” in the style of the garden of a snobbish Emglishman, nothing remotely like how the plants would have appeared in the Australian countriside.

Councils. Spraying herbicide and insecticide all over the place. With the result that native insects and arachnids are all but wiped out, murdered, in parks controlled by these councils. I’ve found from observations that the best sites for native birds within Melbourne are all in areas that have both blackberries and rabbits. Having blackberries and rabbits doesn’t always guarantee the existence of good bush birds, because the council may be spraying insectides, but not having them does always guarantee low biodiversity. Having ivy or similar introduced dense creeper is great for getting an enormous variety of native ants, spiders, wasps, myriapoda etc.

End of Pet Peeves.

I have planted both native and introduced plants in my garden. I planted the bottlebrushes, the cootamundra wattle, the lili pilli, etc. The real problem with native plants is native diseases. Diseases in Australia have adapted to attack native plants. I prefer not to have to contend with plant pests, neither by spraying or by masses of hard work. And don’t try to sell me on co-planting, it’s hard enough to keep one species alive. Hardy plants only.

What I want to achieve is the following. Upper storey and understory. Trees/bushes of the upper story to be no more than 4 metres high (mrs m calls everything over 3 m high “a tall tree” and cuts it down – huh – but only in our yard, she doesn’t mind that the neighbours trees shading our place on all three sides are more than 20 metres high).

The plants in the understorey have to be shade tolerant and drought/flood tolerant. The plants in the upper storey have to have thick foliage above 1 metre from the ground but not lower, to make homes for birds and ringtails. eg. although I like grevilleas, the foliage is never anywhere dense enough for birds or ringtails to nest.

Perhaps surprisingly, frost tolerance is not a big concern. No frost at all this winter.

Wow. I am not an expert gardener.. all I have is the experience I have with my own garden. I tore up the grass and the non native species and planted only natives, yes, it took a moment for them to establish. Yes I did lose a couple, but I grew from tube stock so the expense was minimal. I now have a lovely native garden that attracts birds, insects, lizards etc, needs very little maintenance and almost no water. And it’s a delight to sit in. It’s not a massive backyard but it feel like it.
For my front yard I paid an expert because I wanted it done quickly and somewhat established. It cost money but, again, lovely minimal maintenance and little water. I use no pesticides, no chemicals and occasionally throw some dynalift native (or whatever it’s called – the little pellet things). Shrug. I don’t know what to tell you but I think you are over complicating the process.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:19:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773763
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


mollwollfumble said:

Looks like I’m on my own.

I thought some of you guys used to visit the Gardening Forum?

Warning: Pet Peeves.

First Pet Peeve. It used to be that snobs in this city would only plant non-native trees.
eg. all the elm trees in Melbourne. Because no native insect will go near the elms, the biodiversity in areas planted with elms is exceedingly low. I call it an “Elm Desert”. Cut the bloody Elms down, all of them. Then it turned around so that the snobs in this country would only plant native plants. One result is that travesty called Westgate Park. Both native and introduced plants that had survivied to the start of the park were completely ripped up, and the result is introducted natives from all over the country arranged “artistically” in the style of the garden of a snobbish Emglishman, nothing remotely like how the plants would have appeared in the Australian countriside.

Councils. Spraying herbicide and insecticide all over the place. With the result that native insects and arachnids are all but wiped out, murdered, in parks controlled by these councils. I’ve found from observations that the best sites for native birds within Melbourne are all in areas that have both blackberries and rabbits. Having blackberries and rabbits doesn’t always guarantee the existence of good bush birds, because the council may be spraying insectides, but not having them does always guarantee low biodiversity. Having ivy or similar introduced dense creeper is great for getting an enormous variety of native ants, spiders, wasps, myriapoda etc.

End of Pet Peeves.

I have planted both native and introduced plants in my garden. I planted the bottlebrushes, the cootamundra wattle, the lili pilli, etc. The real problem with native plants is native diseases. Diseases in Australia have adapted to attack native plants. I prefer not to have to contend with plant pests, neither by spraying or by masses of hard work. And don’t try to sell me on co-planting, it’s hard enough to keep one species alive. Hardy plants only.

What I want to achieve is the following. Upper storey and understory. Trees/bushes of the upper story to be no more than 4 metres high (mrs m calls everything over 3 m high “a tall tree” and cuts it down – huh – but only in our yard, she doesn’t mind that the neighbours trees shading our place on all three sides are more than 20 metres high).

The plants in the understorey have to be shade tolerant and drought/flood tolerant. The plants in the upper storey have to have thick foliage above 1 metre from the ground but not lower, to make homes for birds and ringtails. eg. although I like grevilleas, the foliage is never anywhere dense enough for birds or ringtails to nest.

Perhaps surprisingly, frost tolerance is not a big concern. No frost at all this winter.

Wow. I am not an expert gardener.. all I have is the experience I have with my own garden. I tore up the grass and the non native species and planted only natives, yes, it took a moment for them to establish. Yes I did lose a couple, but I grew from tube stock so the expense was minimal. I now have a lovely native garden that attracts birds, insects, lizards etc, needs very little maintenance and almost no water. And it’s a delight to sit in. It’s not a massive backyard but it feel like it.
For my front yard I paid an expert because I wanted it done quickly and somewhat established. It cost money but, again, lovely minimal maintenance and little water. I use no pesticides, no chemicals and occasionally throw some dynalift native (or whatever it’s called – the little pellet things). Shrug. I don’t know what to tell you but I think you are over complicating the process.



Natives just work. May need to choose ones suited to your soil type/climate but otherwise, it isn’t rocket science.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:24:00
From: buffy
ID: 1773764
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Moving on to some lower storey things. Correas are good bushes for the little birds, lizards, (snakes – but we close our minds to them and don’t see them) etc. The Melbourne list includes Correa alba, but I’m sure the standard red and green Correa belongs in your area too. Here are my Correas. Messy buggers. I take to them with the hedge shears to stop them wandering across the driveway. I do have some exotics (daffodils, autumn crocus, white belladonna and freesias) planted amongst them. They just come up, flower and die down again. The grass looking unkempt in the left of the photo near the leaning tower of water dish is a native millet sort of thing (I don’t know exactly what it is)

You should also be fine with growing kangaroo apple (Solanum laciniatum) in your area. They don’t last many years, but they are a very open sort of bushy thing, pretty flowers and nice yellow fruit that the birds like. Once you’ve got one, if you let the fruit drop, seedlings come up and you can put more around the place. I’ve presently got a dead one, a nearly dead one and this is my newest one which I planted out from a stray seedling about a year ago. I will shortly strip off the leaves from the lower part and cut it back. They don’t seem to mind ruthless cutting back.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:25:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773765
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


roughbarked said:

If you have a ringtail possum problem then don’t plant any trees.

Possums love a peppermint tree

By that Arts means, Agonis flexuosa.

More than 3m, not desirable apparently. A great specimen tree though.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:30:07
From: buffy
ID: 1773767
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Right, groundcovers. You should be able to grown Dianella without any trouble. It’s a clumping plant. Also Juncus (rush) and Lomandra. There are versions of all of those for your area. Also tussock grass (Poa). If you create a sheltered area, Viola hederacea (ivy leaved violet) is also local to your area and can grow beautifully with just a little bit of attention. It grows wild out at our bush block. It is another one that dies down and then magically reappears.

Just remember the main things are

no straight lines

plant in odd numbers

If you are wanting to do a random planting of, say, 5 of something, get 5 potatoes, toss them in the air, and plant your plants where they land. Don’t be tempted to adjust to even plantings. Let some be closer to others if that’s the way they fall. (Then take the potatoes back inside and eat them for tea)

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:33:17
From: Arts
ID: 1773768
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


Right, groundcovers. You should be able to grown Dianella without any trouble. It’s a clumping plant. Also Juncus (rush) and Lomandra. There are versions of all of those for your area. Also tussock grass (Poa). If you create a sheltered area, Viola hederacea (ivy leaved violet) is also local to your area and can grow beautifully with just a little bit of attention. It grows wild out at our bush block. It is another one that dies down and then magically reappears.

Just remember the main things are

no straight lines

plant in odd numbers

If you are wanting to do a random planting of, say, 5 of something, get 5 potatoes, toss them in the air, and plant your plants where they land. Don’t be tempted to adjust to even plantings. Let some be closer to others if that’s the way they fall. (Then take the potatoes back inside and eat them for tea)

Wash them first. Probs.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:33:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773769
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


Moving on to some lower storey things. Correas are good bushes for the little birds, lizards, (snakes – but we close our minds to them and don’t see them) etc. The Melbourne list includes Correa alba, but I’m sure the standard red and green Correa belongs in your area too. Here are my Correas. Messy buggers. I take to them with the hedge shears to stop them wandering across the driveway. I do have some exotics (daffodils, autumn crocus, white belladonna and freesias) planted amongst them. They just come up, flower and die down again. The grass looking unkempt in the left of the photo near the leaning tower of water dish is a native millet sort of thing (I don’t know exactly what it is)

You should also be fine with growing kangaroo apple (Solanum laciniatum) in your area. They don’t last many years, but they are a very open sort of bushy thing, pretty flowers and nice yellow fruit that the birds like. Once you’ve got one, if you let the fruit drop, seedlings come up and you can put more around the place. I’ve presently got a dead one, a nearly dead one and this is my newest one which I planted out from a stray seedling about a year ago. I will shortly strip off the leaves from the lower part and cut it back. They don’t seem to mind ruthless cutting back.



Can’t go past Correas though I do have to provide extra water for them or they’d curl up and die here. After some time of caring that they get a drink though, when they can get established well enough they are very hardy. I have C. alba and the Dusky Bells.
One awesome genus of plants for gardens is the Baeckea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeckea

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:33:57
From: buffy
ID: 1773770
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


Arts said:

roughbarked said:

If you have a ringtail possum problem then don’t plant any trees.

Possums love a peppermint tree

By that Arts means, Agonis flexuosa.

More than 3m, not desirable apparently. A great specimen tree though.

There is a dwarf version available, I planted one in Casterton. It never got bigger than me, weeping habit, and created a great little “tent” effect. It’s on the left in this photo:

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:36:35
From: Arts
ID: 1773771
Subject: re: Garden plants?

My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:39:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773772
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

Eucalyptus caesia.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:42:18
From: Arts
ID: 1773775
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


Arts said:

My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

Eucalyptus caesia.

Oh. I just read they are endemic to this area… so probably not a great match for Melbourne.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:43:31
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1773777
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Try here:

http://www.greenlinksandbelt.org.au/

http://www.carrumindigenousnursery.com.au/

https://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Environment-and-Waste/Environment/Frankston-Indigenous-Nursery

I must one day, go to Melbourne, just to have a look at the extensive native botanic gardens and all the nurseries. Have been supplying Melbourne nurseries much of my life.

You’ve never been to Melbourne?

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:44:18
From: buffy
ID: 1773778
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

I’ve grown them too, and love them, but they seem to be a bit shortlived here. They are a WA tree, so they probably like it at your place.

2003, when the Casterton one was a baby:

And when she flowered three years later. Eventually she got up to about twice my height. And then after around 10 years or so she just died.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:44:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773779
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Arts said:


roughbarked said:

Arts said:

My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

Eucalyptus caesia.

Oh. I just read they are endemic to this area… so probably not a great match for Melbourne.

They actually survive quite well on a range of soils and in much the same lattitude as yours, Melbourne isn’t all that different.
They hate alkalinity. So they don’t work on my calcrete.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:47:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773780
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Try here:

http://www.greenlinksandbelt.org.au/

http://www.carrumindigenousnursery.com.au/

https://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Environment-and-Waste/Environment/Frankston-Indigenous-Nursery

I must one day, go to Melbourne, just to have a look at the extensive native botanic gardens and all the nurseries. Have been supplying Melbourne nurseries much of my life.

You’ve never been to Melbourne?


A few times. Twice for two one day courses in electronic watches.
Once for a Porcupine Tree concert.
Another time to get on the boat to Tasmania and come back.
So brief visits only.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:49:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773781
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


Arts said:

My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

I’ve grown them too, and love them, but they seem to be a bit shortlived here. They are a WA tree, so they probably like it at your place.

2003, when the Casterton one was a baby:

And when she flowered three years later. Eventually she got up to about twice my height. And then after around 10 years or so she just died.



They prefer granitic soils from their very localised habitat but I’ve seen them do well on many soils. They do appear tend to be shortlived though this is largely the mallee habit. Tops are expendable as long as the lignotuber survives.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:53:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773782
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Arts said:

My favourite tree to plant for height but space restricted is the silver princess. (Roughy will be along shortly with the Latin name). I have two of them and they are stunning.

I’ve grown them too, and love them, but they seem to be a bit shortlived here. They are a WA tree, so they probably like it at your place.

2003, when the Casterton one was a baby:

And when she flowered three years later. Eventually she got up to about twice my height. And then after around 10 years or so she just died.



They prefer granitic soils from their very localised habitat but I’ve seen them do well on many soils. They do appear tend to be shortlived though this is largely the mallee habit. Tops are expendable as long as the lignotuber survives.


They also don’t like sitting in wet clay.

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Date: 5/08/2021 09:58:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773783
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I’ve grown them too, and love them, but they seem to be a bit shortlived here. They are a WA tree, so they probably like it at your place.

2003, when the Casterton one was a baby:

And when she flowered three years later. Eventually she got up to about twice my height. And then after around 10 years or so she just died.



They prefer granitic soils from their very localised habitat but I’ve seen them do well on many soils. They do appear tend to be shortlived though this is largely the mallee habit. Tops are expendable as long as the lignotuber survives.


They also don’t like sitting in wet clay.


However, as has been proved by many, native plants can be grafted to acceptable rootstocks. A rootstock that is suitable can put a long misnamed red flowering gum(red flowering bloodwood) Corymbia ficifolia on every street anywhere. As such, it won’t be long before you get E. caesia grafted onto E. eremophila.

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Date: 5/08/2021 10:05:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773787
Subject: re: Garden plants?

My Backyard
2034 photos of my space.

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Date: 5/08/2021 10:53:50
From: Michael V
ID: 1773822
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Moll,

I’m pretty sure there was a recent Gardening Australia segment on a large native garden within eyeshot of Melbourne CBD.

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Date: 5/08/2021 10:54:49
From: buffy
ID: 1773824
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Michael V said:


Moll,

I’m pretty sure there was a recent Gardening Australia segment on a large native garden within eyeshot of Melbourne CBD.

Probably Maranoa Botanic Gardens. (I don’t watch Gardening Australia, I spend too much time yelling at the TV about them planting weeds)

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Date: 5/08/2021 10:54:51
From: Boris
ID: 1773825
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Michael V said:


Moll,

I’m pretty sure there was a recent Gardening Australia segment on a large native garden within eyeshot of Melbourne CBD.

don’t spoil the narrative!!!

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Date: 5/08/2021 10:56:00
From: buffy
ID: 1773826
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


Michael V said:

Moll,

I’m pretty sure there was a recent Gardening Australia segment on a large native garden within eyeshot of Melbourne CBD.

Probably Maranoa Botanic Gardens. (I don’t watch Gardening Australia, I spend too much time yelling at the TV about them planting weeds)

Here you go:

https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/my-garden-path—-maranoa-gardens/11685994

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Date: 5/08/2021 11:03:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773828
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Michael V said:


Moll,

I’m pretty sure there was a recent Gardening Australia segment on a large native garden within eyeshot of Melbourne CBD.

This too.

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Date: 5/08/2021 11:03:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773829
Subject: re: Garden plants?

buffy said:


Michael V said:

Moll,

I’m pretty sure there was a recent Gardening Australia segment on a large native garden within eyeshot of Melbourne CBD.

Probably Maranoa Botanic Gardens. (I don’t watch Gardening Australia, I spend too much time yelling at the TV about them planting weeds)

Me2

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Date: 5/08/2021 11:04:50
From: buffy
ID: 1773830
Subject: re: Garden plants?

By the way moll, do you know about the various walks in Melbourne? I know the Bushy Creek Parklands walk (1.7km) in Box Hill North because it is at the bottom of the street I grew up in. When I was a child it was a creek. Then the creek was put underground. At one time it was slated to be a road. Then that got abandoned and it’s a revegetated walking/bike trail now. There are several others on this pamphlet. You could check for similar things in your more immediate area. Or go for a drive. Plenty of birds along the Bushy Creek Parklands walk.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi-w9r31pjyAhWq7HMBHc1vABcQFnoECA0QAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.victoriawalks.org.au%2FAssets%2FFiles%2FWalking%2520and%2520Wheeling%2520Guide.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0oY8swwKOvt7hS8×8sTBwQ

(Sorry, it’s a pdf, and that is just how the link came out)

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Date: 5/08/2021 11:12:42
From: buffy
ID: 1773834
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Whoah! There are so many trails around Melbourne now!

https://www.alltrails.com/australia/victoria/melbourne

There has to be something there to go and look at for inspiration.

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Date: 5/08/2021 11:20:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1773840
Subject: re: Garden plants?

for inspiration.

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Date: 6/08/2021 15:11:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1774425
Subject: re: Garden plants?

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Moving on to some lower storey things. Correas are good bushes for the little birds, lizards, (snakes – but we close our minds to them and don’t see them) etc. The Melbourne list includes Correa alba, but I’m sure the standard red and green Correa belongs in your area too. Here are my Correas. Messy buggers. I take to them with the hedge shears to stop them wandering across the driveway. I do have some exotics (daffodils, autumn crocus, white belladonna and freesias) planted amongst them. They just come up, flower and die down again. The grass looking unkempt in the left of the photo near the leaning tower of water dish is a native millet sort of thing (I don’t know exactly what it is)

You should also be fine with growing kangaroo apple (Solanum laciniatum) in your area. They don’t last many years, but they are a very open sort of bushy thing, pretty flowers and nice yellow fruit that the birds like. Once you’ve got one, if you let the fruit drop, seedlings come up and you can put more around the place. I’ve presently got a dead one, a nearly dead one and this is my newest one which I planted out from a stray seedling about a year ago. I will shortly strip off the leaves from the lower part and cut it back. They don’t seem to mind ruthless cutting back.



Can’t go past Correas though I do have to provide extra water for them or they’d curl up and die here. After some time of caring that they get a drink though, when they can get established well enough they are very hardy. I have C. alba and the Dusky Bells.
One awesome genus of plants for gardens is the Baeckea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeckea

Correa. Thanks, brilliant. I was trying to think of those.

The “Chick” Corea plant. (Just joking).

Baeckea. Thanks. Will look into it. And others suggested.

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Date: 6/08/2021 15:22:31
From: dv
ID: 1774433
Subject: re: Garden plants?

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Moving on to some lower storey things. Correas are good bushes for the little birds, lizards, (snakes – but we close our minds to them and don’t see them) etc. The Melbourne list includes Correa alba, but I’m sure the standard red and green Correa belongs in your area too. Here are my Correas. Messy buggers. I take to them with the hedge shears to stop them wandering across the driveway. I do have some exotics (daffodils, autumn crocus, white belladonna and freesias) planted amongst them. They just come up, flower and die down again. The grass looking unkempt in the left of the photo near the leaning tower of water dish is a native millet sort of thing (I don’t know exactly what it is)

You should also be fine with growing kangaroo apple (Solanum laciniatum) in your area. They don’t last many years, but they are a very open sort of bushy thing, pretty flowers and nice yellow fruit that the birds like. Once you’ve got one, if you let the fruit drop, seedlings come up and you can put more around the place. I’ve presently got a dead one, a nearly dead one and this is my newest one which I planted out from a stray seedling about a year ago. I will shortly strip off the leaves from the lower part and cut it back. They don’t seem to mind ruthless cutting back.



Can’t go past Correas though I do have to provide extra water for them or they’d curl up and die here. After some time of caring that they get a drink though, when they can get established well enough they are very hardy. I have C. alba and the Dusky Bells.
One awesome genus of plants for gardens is the Baeckea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeckea

Correa. Thanks, brilliant. I was trying to think of those.

The “Chick” Corea plant. (Just joking).

Baeckea. Thanks. Will look into it. And others suggested.

Good joke

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Date: 19/08/2021 11:03:41
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1779650
Subject: re: Garden plants?

Front yard.

Settled on:
3 Woolly bush
1 Bottle brush
and
2 Sasanqua camelias

For now. Later to replace the ornamental plum/cherry and the olive.

Birds would have loved a fig tree or date palm but unless dwarf versions exist they are both way too big.

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