https://www.sbs.com.au/news/calls-heard-again-for-royal-commission-into-horrific-and-unlawful-robodebt-scheme

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/harebrained-idea-secret-plan-to-commercialise-state-s-public-transport-roads-20210818-p58joa.html

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/19/robodebt-class-action-over-but-federal-government-still-wants-legal-costs-and-advice-to-stay-secret

https://www.theage.com.au/national/inertia-is-the-morrison-government-s-personality-disorder-and-it-keeps-dawdling-to-destruction-20210820-p58kez.html

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/inertia-is-the-morrison-government-s-personality-disorder-and-it-keeps-dawdling-to-destruction-20210820-p58kez.html

“The coronavirus has mutated from Alpha to Delta. There are another 20 letters in the Greek alphabet; the emergence of the Epsilon variant is inevitable.”
——-

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/new-sars-cov-2-variants-have-changed-pandemic-what-will-virus-do-next

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/inertia-is-the-morrison-government-s-personality-disorder-and-it-keeps-dawdling-to-destruction-20210820-p58kez.html

“The coronavirus has mutated from Alpha to Delta. There are another 20 letters in the Greek alphabet; the emergence of the Epsilon variant is inevitable.”
——-

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/new-sars-cov-2-variants-have-changed-pandemic-what-will-virus-do-next

Oh. follow the link and check it out there. I thought it was a good article in that I learned stuff.

>>> Variants of concern

Kappa

Eta

Iota

Lambda

Variants of interest

Epsilon

Former variants of interest

Theta

Gamma was first detected in Brazil and spread widely in South America.
First spotted in India, Delta is rapidly replacing other variants around the globe.
Beta, first seen in South Africa, has shown the strongest evidence of immune escape.
First detected in the United Kingdom, Alpha became the first variant to spread widely

. It has now been a full year since the Chief Medical Officer, Paul Kelly, said that the Morrison government was looking at mRNA manufacturing facilities for Australia. Still there are no substantive contracts signed. Facilities must be built, research conducted, vaccines produced. This is another disaster in the making. Some state governments are now starting to get active on this, a vote of no confidence in Morrison.

—-
And the logic seems to be that we are going to be working on vaccines for a while yet. There isn’t a cure for the Pi strain or the Zeta strain yet.

https://theaimn.com/simple-simple-words-simple-simple-thoughts-my-methodology-of-writing-when-angry/

Spiny Norman said:

What concerns me about Anthony Albanese is that i doubt that he’s enough of a thug to be able to control his own party.

OK, he ‘came from the Left’ of the party, but the Left of the party is a vastly different beast from what it was decades ago. Today’s left wing much more resembles yesterdays centrists.

As people like Sam Dastyari have demonstrated, there’s people in Labor who will pursue personal agendas over their role as elected representatives, just as there are in the L/NP.

If the ALP is elected, we can expect that at least some of them will indulge in the same kinds of shenanigans as have the L/NP crooks who’ve taken advantage of the poor leadership and management of the government to chase their own goals.

Without strong leadership, the pursuit of personal gain and position will be just as rampant in an ALP government, to which we can add ALP governments’ traditional habit of forgetting that there’s a country to run and focussing on factional in-fighting.

Can AA handle it? Does Labor have anyone who can?

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

What concerns me about Anthony Albanese is that i doubt that he’s enough of a thug to be able to control his own party.

OK, he ‘came from the Left’ of the party, but the Left of the party is a vastly different beast from what it was decades ago. Today’s left wing much more resembles yesterdays centrists.

As people like Sam Dastyari have demonstrated, there’s people in Labor who will pursue personal agendas over their role as elected representatives, just as there are in the L/NP.

If the ALP is elected, we can expect that at least some of them will indulge in the same kinds of shenanigans as have the L/NP crooks who’ve taken advantage of the poor leadership and management of the government to chase their own goals.

Without strong leadership, the pursuit of personal gain and position will be just as rampant in an ALP government, to which we can add ALP governments’ traditional habit of forgetting that there’s a country to run and focussing on factional in-fighting.

Can AA handle it? Does Labor have anyone who can?

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

What concerns me about Anthony Albanese is that i doubt that he’s enough of a thug to be able to control his own party.

OK, he ‘came from the Left’ of the party, but the Left of the party is a vastly different beast from what it was decades ago. Today’s left wing much more resembles yesterdays centrists.

As people like Sam Dastyari have demonstrated, there’s people in Labor who will pursue personal agendas over their role as elected representatives, just as there are in the L/NP.

If the ALP is elected, we can expect that at least some of them will indulge in the same kinds of shenanigans as have the L/NP crooks who’ve taken advantage of the poor leadership and management of the government to chase their own goals.

Without strong leadership, the pursuit of personal gain and position will be just as rampant in an ALP government, to which we can add ALP governments’ traditional habit of forgetting that there’s a country to run and focussing on factional in-fighting.

Can AA handle it? Does Labor have anyone who can?

I’m certainly no fan of this modern ALP, but given the current circumstances I’m more than willing to give them a try.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

What concerns me about Anthony Albanese is that i doubt that he’s enough of a thug to be able to control his own party.

OK, he ‘came from the Left’ of the party, but the Left of the party is a vastly different beast from what it was decades ago. Today’s left wing much more resembles yesterdays centrists.

As people like Sam Dastyari have demonstrated, there’s people in Labor who will pursue personal agendas over their role as elected representatives, just as there are in the L/NP.

If the ALP is elected, we can expect that at least some of them will indulge in the same kinds of shenanigans as have the L/NP crooks who’ve taken advantage of the poor leadership and management of the government to chase their own goals.

Without strong leadership, the pursuit of personal gain and position will be just as rampant in an ALP government, to which we can add ALP governments’ traditional habit of forgetting that there’s a country to run and focussing on factional in-fighting.

Can AA handle it? Does Labor have anyone who can?

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

Well, there’s the problem for both major parties.

The leaders that they have right now have little to recommend them except that they seem to be the least problematic of a poor range of choices.

roughbarked said:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

Spiny Norman said:

I watched the video of this speech. pretty good. Albo might not be the most inspiring politician but aren’t policies and the ability to implement them more important? The ALP seem pretty coherent these days, except for Joel and they don’t seem to be as corrupt as the LNP, though I am sure their fanbois will point out past ALP issues even if they were 20 years ago.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

Yes you’ve said that before but just because a leftist magazine agrees doesn’t make it right. The hunger for power is just as palpable in the ALP as in the Coalition.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

I see Witty beat me. He did do it gently though.

Bogsnorkler said:

Spiny Norman said:

I watched the video of this speech. pretty good. Albo might not be the most inspiring politician but aren’t policies and the ability to implement them more important? The ALP seem pretty coherent these days, except for Joel and they don’t seem to be as corrupt as the LNP, though I am sure their fanbois will point out past ALP issues even if they were 20 years ago.

Politics tends to attract the same types of people in any era, from altruistic ideologues to venal grasping crooks. We can expect that today’s ALP contains a representative mix of them. Their characters are sometimes only revealed when opportunity flushes them out.

Good policies and their implementation is the dream of the electorate, but political agendas and debts to some supporters, for governments as a whole and for individual members of governments, can often derail those intentions.

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

It’s not a person, it’s the ALP’s credo “Harry the government”

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/01/albanese-australian-labor-party-alp

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

It may well not be true.

But, it’s a perception that i consider possible, and i’m obviously not the only one.

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

I see Witty beat me. He did do it gently though.

He can be quite diplomatic, really.

Tamb said:

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

It’s not a person, it’s the ALP’s credo “Harry the government”

:)

captain_spalding said:

a vastly different beast from what it was decades ago

pursue personal agendas over their role

at least some of them will indulge in the same kinds of shenanigans

taken advantage of the poor leadership and management of the government to chase their own goals.

pursuit of personal gain and position will be just as rampant

traditional habit of forgetting that there’s a country to run and focussing on factional in-fighting.

wait we wanted the Taliban TLDR Afghanistan thread right

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

The final paragraph of that article echoes something that i’ve said here before, and been shouted down for:

‘In practice, (Labor Right’s) tired mix of social conservatism and neoliberal economics has never inspired the electorate, but its leaders don’t really care as long as they control the ALP itself.’

The people who run the ALP aren’t really all that concerned about winning elections.

They’re on to a nice little earner as a professional Opposition. All the perks, none of the responsibilities.

LOL just because someone agrees with you doesn’t make it true. Who is harry anyway?

I see Witty beat me. He did do it gently though.

Yeah, but just because someone agrees with you, it doesn’t make it true.

(I also agree btw).

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

Sounds good to me. We’ll be better off without the good Mr Westley and his cohort of kissy & huggy disease spreaders.

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

Yeah, we mentioned it somewhere back in Chat this morning. But I still don’t know who was wanting to go in what direction.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

Yeah, we mentioned it somewhere back in Chat this morning. But I still don’t know who was wanting to go in what direction.

I don’t think they know either.

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
——

wow.

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.
————————————————————-

So is the posted speed limit.

And so many other laws.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.
————————————————————-

So is the posted speed limit.

And so many other laws.

You will wear a helmet. You will not wear a helmet.

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

And he was the relatively sane one they chose as spokesman.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

And he was the relatively sane one they chose as spokesman.

I just wish these covidiots wouldn’t get out in these large groups. And individuals attacking Police is not very smart.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

The ABC estimates about 1,000 people have gathered at Jack Evans Harbour, Tweed Heads.

Up to 50 police were monitoring the mostly peaceful protest, few in the crowd were wearing masks and many were seen hugging and kissing.

Mark Westley from the Tweed area was among the crowd and said the public health directives were a “disgrace”.

“It’s a direct attack on my freedom of liberty, freedom to move,” he said.

“It’s affecting people’s businesses and social lives.”

Mr Westley said it was a “direct challenge” to the fabric of Australia.

“This will be the break-up of the Commonwealth of Australia, it will be the fragmentation of Australia into disparate, fighting, disputing groups and the end of democracy as we know it,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-22/hundreds-protest-on-nsw-queensland-border/100397584

And he was the relatively sane one they chose as spokesman.

I just wish these covidiots wouldn’t get out in these large groups. And individuals attacking Police is not very smart.

Melbourne: “Two people have been remanded in custody in relation to the officer who remains in hospital, and another 19 people will face court at a later date.”

From the ABC live updates this morning. Mr buffy’s comment was that we have quite stringent “go to gaol, go directly to gaol, do not pass Go” rules in Victoria for violence towards emergency services personnel. They may not have factored that into their decision to go to that rally. The minimum seems to be 6 months mandatory for injuring someone.

https://www.gotocourt.com.au/criminal-law/vic/assaults-police/

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

And he was the relatively sane one they chose as spokesman.

I just wish these covidiots wouldn’t get out in these large groups. And individuals attacking Police is not very smart.

Melbourne: “Two people have been remanded in custody in relation to the officer who remains in hospital, and another 19 people will face court at a later date.”

From the ABC live updates this morning. Mr buffy’s comment was that we have quite stringent “go to gaol, go directly to gaol, do not pass Go” rules in Victoria for violence towards emergency services personnel. They may not have factored that into their decision to go to that rally. The minimum seems to be 6 months mandatory for injuring someone.

https://www.gotocourt.com.au/criminal-law/vic/assaults-police/

Excellent

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/thank-goodness-matt-canavan-has-applied-his-laser-like-brainial-focus-to-the-wiggles

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/thank-goodness-matt-canavan-has-applied-his-laser-like-brainial-focus-to-the-wiggles

Guardian Pick

I think Ian and Mat Canamanbeasstupidasthisandstillbeabletowalk are on to something here.

Morrison’s gains show Labor cannot underestimate its opponent

By David Crowe
August 24, 2021 — 2.04pm

Scott Morrison has surprised his opponents before and is in a strong position to do it again when voters are clearly receptive to his message about the pandemic.

Morrison has a consistent edge over Labor leader Anthony Albanese when Australians are asked to choose between the two of them, and it not just about which of them is the preferred prime minister.

Three years to the day since Morrison became Prime Minister, the latest Resolve Political Monitor shows he continues to outsmart Labor critics who thought he would fail after winning a messy leadership struggle.

Asked to name the party and leader who is best to run the country, 37 per cent name Morrison and the Coalition while 21 per cent name Albanese and Labor. Another 30 per cent are undecided and 12 per cent want someone else, but the lead for the incumbent is real and significant.

What is more, the gap just widened. It was 36 to 25 per cent last month.

This was not the Labor plan when Albanese hardened his attack on Morrison over the past few weeks by promising a $300 payment for every adult who was vaccinated. The cash offer intensified the Labor charge that Morrison had failed his two biggest jobs: vaccines and quarantine.

Now, when voters are asked who is best for themselves and their households, 36 per cent choose Morrison and the Coalition and 23 per cent choose Albanese and Labor.

And the doubts about Morrison inside Parliament House, where some of his own MPs admit he sermonises too much, are not so evident outside.

Asked who is communicating well, 35 per cent name Morrison and his team but only 17 per cent name Albanese and Labor. Asked who is offering strong leadership, it is 38 to 19.

These personal attributes do not decide elections, but they influence them. And the pattern is the same across a range of factors. The Labor primary vote is down from 35 to 32 per cent, while the Coalition primary vote is up from 38 to 40 per cent.

All the Coalition gain came from male voters. The primary vote among women did not budge. Even so, Morrison has more support among women than many commentators assume. Asked to nominate their preferred prime minister, 42 per cent of women name Morrison and 20 per cent name Albanese.

There are important caveats on all these results. The survey asked questions of 1607 people from Tuesday to Saturday last week, so it reflected a point in time when Morrison was gradually toughening his language about moving on from lockdowns.

This could be an early indicator that Morrison’s new message will resonate with voters. It is too soon to be sure.

Some of the polling also overlapped with Morrison’s announcement last Thursday that people aged from 16 to 39 could start getting the Pfizer vaccine, even though that news took states and territories by surprise and did not come with any additional supply.

The margin of error is 2.5 percentage points. While the results suggest the Coalition has a narrow lead over Labor in two-party terms, assuming preferences flow as they did at the last election, this is within the margin of error.

Another caveat is that voters may very well say they support independent candidates over the major parties, as 10 per cent said in this survey, but their choices could narrow when the election comes. The electorate remains volatile, with more than a quarter of people saying they are “uncommitted” with their votes.

The Labor primary vote is higher in other surveys, as much as 39 per cent, so some Labor loyalists do not accept the number could be as low as 32 per cent. That is their call, but it was 33.3 per cent at the last election.

Morrison has been found wanting at key points in the pandemic. He did not move fast enough to secure vaccines, immunise aged care residents and protect some of the most vulnerable. But coronavirus deaths in Australia are a fraction of those in other countries and voters rate Morrison well on managing the crisis.

The Albanese support team may like to think he is cruising to the finish line in fourth gear with plenty of fuel. This survey suggests he is in third gear, losing speed and will only win if he bolts a jet pack to the roof.

The message to Labor? Do not underestimate your opponent.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-s-gains-show-labor-cannot-underestimate-its-opponent-20210824-p58lel.html

https://theconversation.com/frydenbergs-directions-to-asic-throw-the-banking-royal-commission-under-a-bus-166813

Frydenberg, who is also deputy Liberal leader, has never hidden his ambition and is hungry for the top job. But he is also loyal. Morrison knows that, unlike prime ministerial predecessors Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull, he doesn’t have to look over his shoulder, even in the bad times. Morrison marked three years as PM this week, and there has been no white-anting.

Todays spam from Craig Kelly.

fsm said:

Todays spam from Craig Kelly.

That’s a bad typo there.

They put in ‘authorised by’ when it should read, ‘or, especially’.

fsm said:

Todays spam from Craig Kelly.

Poor Craig, doesn’t realise he is being used.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/the-wa-liberals-stunning-implosion-is-about-to-be-laid-bare/100411550

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/the-wa-liberals-stunning-implosion-is-about-to-be-laid-bare/100411550

are we confident we didn’t accidentally miss posting it to the good news thread

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-27/the-wa-liberals-stunning-implosion-is-about-to-be-laid-bare/100411550

are we confident we didn’t accidentally miss posting it to the good news thread

I don’t like to gloat.

Bogsnorkler said:

1. He’s managed to keep Dutton out of The Lodge (think: Bush/Trump).

2. He’s made some very rich people rather more rich.

3.

Don’t rush me, i’m thinking…

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7405628/government-ignored-warnings-on-covid-app/

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australians-want-jobkeeper-overpayments-given-back-to-taxpayers-20210827-p58mff.html

Bogsnorkler said:

Miranda’s a bit of a psycho.

Bogsnorkler said:

Ms Devine does seem to be in a pretty rapid decline.

Which takes some doing, considering where she started from.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Miranda’s a bit of a psycho.

Ms Devine does seem to be in a pretty rapid decline.

Which takes some doing, considering where she started from.

see the thing is here we thought at some stage all the conspiracy crackpots and misinformation marketing and just simple insane bullshit would spiral into an escalating tornado of psychosis that would be plainly and obviously so bizarre and disordered that anyone with more than 3 neurons would be able to see that the proponents would need to be locked up in a psychiatric ward

concerningly, what seems to have happened instead is that they’ve become half the population and the democratic in-excess-of-1000-kg window means the psychosis is the centrist mainstream

we have no words but this is a salad

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/wake-up-australia-barnaby-joyce-can-make-us-great-again/news-story/5b6a5608805b7f8ca1dcbf84d069fa7d

While conservatives scour the Liberal party in vain for Australia’s Donald Trump, they overlook the Coalition politician with the most rapport with “deplorables” — the man whose party defied the voter backlash at the last election and actually increased its vote.

Nationals Leader Barnaby Joyce.

The one-seat majority which saved the Turnbull government from humiliation was won by the National Party, which not only held every seat but won a new one.

The Nationals now hold the biggest share of the Coalition in almost 70 years (21 per cent), up 4 per cent since 2013.

Yet the phenomenal success of the Coalition’s minor partner and its larger-than-life leader was buried under recriminations over the Liberals’ poor performance.

Barnaby, universally known by his first name, won 58 per cent of the vote against Tony Windsor in New England. The booth with the highest primary vote in the nation was Nowendoc, in his electorate — 97 per cent voted for Barnaby. The second-highest primary vote was also in his electorate.

With his Akubra hat, beer belly and florid face, the 49-year-old is the real deal, with big plans to “Make Australia Great Again”.

He is the obvious conservative saviour, hidden in plain sight, an authentic politician with an earthy turn of phrase and a wicked sense of humour. He has an instinctive feel for the anti-establishment mood that propelled Donald Trump to power, a fearless nature and a natural rapport with disenchanted battlers.

For instance, he single-handedly killed off Kevin Rudd’s Emissions Trading Scheme in 2009, mounting a grassroots revolt and coining the phrase “great big new tax”, later made famous by Tony Abbott.

At a time when Turnbull-led Liberals were barracking for the ETS, Joyce had the testicular fortitude to defy the popular consensus.

The Liberals followed his lead and toppled Turnbull.

After the PM’s latest flirtation with a carbon tax, Barnaby coined another cut-through phrase, saying that, rather than impoverishing itself with unsustainable renewable energy targets, Australia should become the world’s “low-cost energy superpower”.

Cheap, secure energy, after all, underpins Donald Trump’s economic plan, so why should Australia be uncompetitive? Barnaby has stood his ground on all the touchstone conservative issues, from climate change to same-sex marriage to safe schools.

He instinctively stands with the battler on issues they care about, campaigning against his own colleagues in NSW over the greyhound racing ban: “If you start banning things, you start hurting people you didn’t expect to hurt.”

He is, however, a big fan of dams: “If water is wealth, a dam is a bank.” His theatrics became a global sensation when he famously told Johnny Depp’s dogs Pistol and Boo to “bugger off back to the United States” because they were in breach of quarantine laws.

But underneath the knockabout persona beats the heart of one of the most calculating politicians Australia has ever produced.

His much mocked “wombat trail” is a regular tour of regional areas that takes in one town for coffee, the next for a CWA meeting and a third for pub time, where he shakes the hand of every local, looks them in the eye and asks what matters to them.

Underestimated as a country bumpkin, he grew up a long way from the big smoke, the second-youngest of six children on his parents’ sheep and cattle farm, near Danglemah, in the lush hills between Tamworth and Walcha. There, he was free to cultivate an inner life, which has endowed him with an admirable independence of thought.

After boarding school at St Ignatius’ Riverview, he majored in accountancy at the University of New England in Armidale, where he met his wife of 23 years Natalie, a petite country girl from Manila, near Tamworth. They have four daughters, aged 13 to 19.

For 10 years they owned a small accountancy firm in Western Queensland with 550 clients, all small-business people and farmers. So he knows intimately what works to balance a budget and make a profit.

He is particularly troubled by the impoverishment of towns in southern Queensland and northern NSW after Labor “bought their economy” in a drought panic in 2012 under the Murray Darling Basin Plan. The so-called “water buybacks” take an amount of water larger than Sydney Harbor out of the productive farming economy each year to flush it out to sea down the Murray River.

One of the worst affected is the ghost town of Collarenebri, where employment plummeted 21 per cent, and half the population left. For the solution, however, Barnaby dreams big. Australia could be an agricultural superpower, with a water pipeline from PNG’s highlands to solve the problems of the basin, and create a massive irrigated bread basket from Augethella in western Queensland to Renmark in South Australia.

The PNG government has discussed with him its commitment to a $40 billion plan put up by Queensland businessman Fred Ariel. It just takes an entrepreneurial Australian government to back it.

Barnaby also understands the Trump phenomenon better than most, as cousins in Tennessee, who are trailer park barons, kept telling him Clinton would lose: “Barney, no one votes for the machine.”

He is the only politician in the country with the ability to make the Coalition base happy, while attracting Labor voters and disaffected Hanson voters. Sadly, he is in the wrong party. But if he were a Liberal MP there would be no question who would be the leader to save the nation from Bill Shorten.

Still, a National as PM is not without precedent: John “Black Jack” McEwen took over in 1967 when Harold Holt disappeared on an ocean swim.

Not that anyone is suggesting Turnbull take a long beach holiday, of course, but Barnaby will take over the reins as acting prime minister after Christmas, and give voters a closer look at what just might be.

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/wake-up-australia-barnaby-joyce-can-make-us-great-again/news-story/5b6a5608805b7f8ca1dcbf84d069fa7d

and before anyone complains, yes it is an old article.

ABC News:

‘Zak Kirkup branded an ‘inexperienced and overwhelmed’ leader in scathing WA Liberals election review
By Jacob Kagi
Zak Kirkup’s early decision to concede the 2021 WA election to Mark McGowan caused “anger and loss of morale” among the WA Liberals, according to a damning internal party review.’

Zak seems to be the sort of chap who got the job because he went to the right school, with the sons of the right people, and who was considered by the right people to be one the right chaps for the job, and who, when push comes to shove, is found to be all mouth and no trousers.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Zak Kirkup branded an ‘inexperienced and overwhelmed’ leader in scathing WA Liberals election review
By Jacob Kagi
Zak Kirkup’s early decision to concede the 2021 WA election to Mark McGowan caused “anger and loss of morale” among the WA Liberals, according to a damning internal party review.’

Zak seems to be the sort of chap who got the job because he went to the right school, with the sons of the right people, and who was considered by the right people to be one the right chaps for the job, and who, when push comes to shove, is found to be all mouth and no trousers.

Or he was the sacrificial one, because they knew they wouldn’t win that one.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Zak Kirkup branded an ‘inexperienced and overwhelmed’ leader in scathing WA Liberals election review
By Jacob Kagi
Zak Kirkup’s early decision to concede the 2021 WA election to Mark McGowan caused “anger and loss of morale” among the WA Liberals, according to a damning internal party review.’

Zak seems to be the sort of chap who got the job because he went to the right school, with the sons of the right people, and who was considered by the right people to be one the right chaps for the job, and who, when push comes to shove, is found to be all mouth and no trousers.

Or he was the sacrificial one, because they knew they wouldn’t win that one.

this. he hadn’t been in politics all that long.

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Zak Kirkup branded an ‘inexperienced and overwhelmed’ leader in scathing WA Liberals election review
By Jacob Kagi
Zak Kirkup’s early decision to concede the 2021 WA election to Mark McGowan caused “anger and loss of morale” among the WA Liberals, according to a damning internal party review.’

Zak seems to be the sort of chap who got the job because he went to the right school, with the sons of the right people, and who was considered by the right people to be one the right chaps for the job, and who, when push comes to shove, is found to be all mouth and no trousers.

Or he was the sacrificial one, because they knew they wouldn’t win that one.

this. he hadn’t been in politics all that long.

Well, hopefully he’s just one privileged little turd who’s been shown that even dashing chaps with natty hairstyles, trendy beards, tailored suits and the right background are as expendable as anyone else.

Paul Bongiorno Will Morrison push for a November election?

Bogsnorkler said:

Paul Bongiorno Will Morrison push for a November election?

I’d be happier if it were held tomorrow arvo thanks.
The sooner we replace the professional vandals with the amateur vandals the better off we’ll be.

dv said:

HA!

If you happen to have some spare time, put it to good use. :)

Hacking Kelly: how to let Craig Kelly, spammer, know how you feel Craig Kelly is a spammer. So it’s time to give him a dose of his own completely unscientifically based, internet-sourced bad medicine.

Spiny Norman said:

If you happen to have some spare time, put it to good use. :)

Hacking Kelly: how to let Craig Kelly, spammer, know how you feel Craig Kelly is a spammer. So it’s time to give him a dose of his own completely unscientifically based, internet-sourced bad medicine.

:)

Spiny Norman said:

If you happen to have some spare time, put it to good use. :)

Hacking Kelly: how to let Craig Kelly, spammer, know how you feel Craig Kelly is a spammer. So it’s time to give him a dose of his own completely unscientifically based, internet-sourced bad medicine.

Some people might go as far as subscribing his email address to christian newsletters, readers digest etc for all of their free newsletters. The subscriptions that ask for your name are fun. If you were to call yourself Shithead Kelly then the newsletters would arrive saying ‘Hello Shithead’.

craig.kelly.mp@aph.gov.au

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

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Fuck these guys

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

indeed

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

I have a couple of pineapple plants growing here you could use if you want.

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

Wouldn’t it be better to fund scientist for the schools in this case?

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

I have a couple of pineapple plants growing here you could use if you want.

How rough are the ends?

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

I have a couple of pineapple plants growing here you could use if you want.

How rough are the ends?

Very. And much bigger than the normal rough end of a pineapple.

Woodie said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

Wouldn’t it be better to fund scientist for the schools in this case?

Maybe fund some scientists to help coalition MPs who are suffering mentally.

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

I have a couple of pineapple plants growing here you could use if you want.

How rough are the ends?

Very. And much bigger than the normal rough end of a pineapple.

Good.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

Wouldn’t it be better to fund scientist for the schools in this case?

Maybe fund some scientists to help coalition MPs who are suffering mentally.

I’d prefer that they fund vivisectionists for that.

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

How rough are the ends?

Very. And much bigger than the normal rough end of a pineapple.

Good.

This should do the job. Mareeba Gold

Woodie said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

Wouldn’t it be better to fund scientist for the schools in this case?

Maybe fund some scientists to help coalition MPs who are suffering mentally.

I’d prefer that they fund vivisectionists for that.

I was going to suggest taxidermists but they are already stuffed.

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

twice.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

twice.

Sounds like they’re being deliberately perverse purely to upset the intelligent people.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/coalition-mps-want-more-school-chaplains-to-help-children-suffering-mentally-due-to-climate-activism

Coalition MPs want more school chaplains to help children suffering mentally due to ‘alarmist’ climate activism

MPs ask Scott Morrison to fund chaplains in every school, saying global warming alarmism is causing ‘mental health problems’ in young

—-

Fuck these guys

twice.

Sounds like they’re being deliberately perverse purely to upset the intelligent people.

What’s really screwing up kids is that they know that climate change is real, but they see governments who are in denial about it and who refuse to do anything meaningful about it.

Tamb said:

Woodie said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe fund some scientists to help coalition MPs who are suffering mentally.

I’d prefer that they fund vivisectionists for that.

I was going to suggest taxidermists but they are already stuffed.

Nah nah nah. I suggest the insertion of pineapples by vivisectionists, not taxidermists. Vivisectionists work on the living, not the dead.

Vivisection (from Latin vivus ‘alive’, and sectio ‘cutting’) is surgery conducted for experimental purposes on a living organism.

Talk about Scomo’s reaction time! Media calls out the inequities between Olympics and Paralympics this morning. Politics solves it this afternoon.

dv said:

and how will it go after

• vaccines reach 70%
• reopening happens and happy drugs are back on the street
• Labor voters are dead or demented from virus

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

We need a ‘Federal Election Countdown’ thread.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

We need a ‘Federal Election Countdown’ thread.

I think it’s a bit early for that

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

We need a ‘Federal Election Countdown’ thread.

I think it’s a bit early for that

NSW has made it tricky.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

We need a ‘Federal Election Countdown’ thread.

I think it’s a bit early for that

NSW has made it tricky.

There’s still an enormous amount of time for them to catch up.
We’ll start a thread once we know when the election is.

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

So what’s going on in WA?

Massive lead for Labor at state level, but they are only just ahead for federal poll?

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I think it’s a bit early for that

NSW has made it tricky.

There’s still an enormous amount of time for them to catch up.
We’ll start a thread once we know when the election is.

People dying makes it hard to control the narrative.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

So what’s going on in WA?

Massive lead for Labor at state level, but they are only just ahead for federal poll?

people are pretty conservative in WA. to put it nicely.

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

But just to contextualise those numbers, uniform swings of those magnitudes, based on the new electoral boundaries, would see the ALP pick up

Reid, Robertson Higgins, Deakin, Latrobe, Casey, Chisholm, Flinders, Kooyong Swan, Pearce, Hasluck Boothby, Sturt Bass, Braddon Longman, Leichhardt, Dickson, Brisbane

The redistribution has seen the Libs lose a seat in WA and gain ine in Victoria, so the above would mean about 89 seats for the ALP, 56 seats for the Coalition, 6 indies and minors.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

So what’s going on in WA?

Massive lead for Labor at state level, but they are only just ahead for federal poll?

People here are tremendously satisfied with the McGowan government.

dv said:

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

But just to contextualise those numbers, uniform swings of those magnitudes, based on the new electoral boundaries, would see the ALP pick up

Reid, Robertson Higgins, Deakin, Latrobe, Casey, Chisholm, Flinders, Kooyong Swan, Pearce, Hasluck Boothby, Sturt Bass, Braddon Longman, Leichhardt, Dickson, Brisbane

The redistribution has seen the Libs lose a seat in WA and gain ine in Victoria, so the above would mean about 89 seats for the ALP, 56 seats for the Coalition, 6 indies and minors.

Victorian gain? Hawke?

Labor’s policy not to have a policy should see them piss it in.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

dv said:

State breakdowns of that poll (with swings since last Fed election), ALP is the first number

NSW 53-47 (5% swing to ALP)
Vic 59.5 – 40.5 (6.5% swing to ALP)
WA 51-49 (6.5% swing to ALP)
SA 57.5-42.5 (9% swing to ALP)
Tas 63.5-36.5 (7.5% swing to ALP)
Qld 46.5- 53.5 (5% swing to ALP)

But just to contextualise those numbers, uniform swings of those magnitudes, based on the new electoral boundaries, would see the ALP pick up

Reid, Robertson Higgins, Deakin, Latrobe, Casey, Chisholm, Flinders, Kooyong Swan, Pearce, Hasluck Boothby, Sturt Bass, Braddon Longman, Leichhardt, Dickson, Brisbane

The redistribution has seen the Libs lose a seat in WA and gain ine in Victoria, so the above would mean about 89 seats for the ALP, 56 seats for the Coalition, 6 indies and minors.

Victorian gain? Hawke?

Sorry, braino. ALP gain 1 in Vic.

Ian said:

Labor’s policy not to have a policy should see them piss it in.

On the other hand, even with ineptitude corruption blatantly rampant in the L/NP, we can fully expect the ALP to come up with something to make themselves somehow appear to be the less appealing option.

I didn’t know this:

>> the Prime Minister moved legislation this week to ensure that all of the documentation of national cabinet is subject to cabinet-in-confidence rules.<<

From here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/covid-timelines-states-split-as-christmas-gets-closer/100433208

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I think it’s a bit early for that

NSW has made it tricky.

There’s still an enormous amount of time for them to catch up.
We’ll start a thread once we know when the election is.

!

Baited And Switched

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-05/premier-gutwein-hands-over-portfolios-after-health-scare/100435508

Victorian Liberal MPs Matthew Guy and Tim Smith have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet ahead of a likely challenge to the leadership of Michael O’Brien.

sibeen said:

Victorian Liberal MPs Matthew Guy and Tim Smith have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet ahead of a likely challenge to the leadership of Michael O’Brien.

But will it make the slightest bit of difference?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Victorian Liberal MPs Matthew Guy and Tim Smith have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet ahead of a likely challenge to the leadership of Michael O’Brien.

But will it make the slightest bit of difference?

The deck chairs will be shuffled :)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/06/as-the-taliban-overran-afghanistan-australia-told-asylum-seekers-they-should-expect-to-return

SMS:

Australian Government’s COVID-19 Vaccines Adverse Events Report. click link Uaptga.info Authorised by Craig Kelly.

…

How ‘bout no…

Witty Rejoinder said:

SMS:

Australian Government’s COVID-19 Vaccines Adverse Events Report. click link Uaptga.info Authorised by Craig Kelly.

…

How ‘bout no…

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/08/31/hacking-kelly-how-to-let-craig-kelly-spammer-know-how-you-feel/

You can call his Sydney office on (02) 9521 6262 and ask his office, politely, to stop spamming you (remember the appalling allegations made about working in Kelly’s office — please be nice to his staff).

You can call his Canberra office as well, if anyone’s picking up there, on (02) 6277 4366. And if you still have a fax, you can fax him on (02) 9545 0927. Some people might be cruel enough to suggest that you do the old black paper loop trick — get a long sheet of black paper, or stick together some sheets, and feed it into your fax, then tape the ends so it becomes a permanent black loop going around, and fax him that for a few hours. But the Commonwealth is paying for his toner supplies so you’d really only be hurting yourself.

But since Kelly is spamming people’s mobiles, why not call his mobile on 0458 150 211? Your short messages will, conveniently, be sent to him as a text — or you can text him directly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SMS:

Australian Government’s COVID-19 Vaccines Adverse Events Report. click link Uaptga.info Authorised by Craig Kelly.

…

How ‘bout no…

Mr buffy got both of the SMSs, his phone put them in trash. I turned my little emergency phone on for an hour this morning but nothing came through. Should I feel invisible or happy about that?

Dark Orange said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SMS:

Australian Government’s COVID-19 Vaccines Adverse Events Report. click link Uaptga.info Authorised by Craig Kelly.

…

How ‘bout no…

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/08/31/hacking-kelly-how-to-let-craig-kelly-spammer-know-how-you-feel/

You can call his Sydney office on (02) 9521 6262 and ask his office, politely, to stop spamming you (remember the appalling allegations made about working in Kelly’s office — please be nice to his staff).

You can call his Canberra office as well, if anyone’s picking up there, on (02) 6277 4366. And if you still have a fax, you can fax him on (02) 9545 0927. Some people might be cruel enough to suggest that you do the old black paper loop trick — get a long sheet of black paper, or stick together some sheets, and feed it into your fax, then tape the ends so it becomes a permanent black loop going around, and fax him that for a few hours. But the Commonwealth is paying for his toner supplies so you’d really only be hurting yourself.

But since Kelly is spamming people’s mobiles, why not call his mobile on 0458 150 211? Your short messages will, conveniently, be sent to him as a text — or you can text him directly.

I got the SMS from Piggy.. annoying

But the prick’s sure to have more than one phone…

Resignation of a few members of the Victorian shadow cabinet has led to talk of another spill in the Liberal leadership.

Whoever grasps this nettle may find themselves in Zak Kirkup’s position of just trying to put a brave face on a sure defeat.

dv said:

Resignation of a few members of the Victorian shadow cabinet has led to talk of another spill in the Liberal leadership.

Whoever grasps this nettle may find themselves in Zak Kirkup’s position of just trying to put a brave face on a sure defeat.

They could at least choose someone who doesn’t look like a crook.

dv said:

Resignation of a few members of the Victorian shadow cabinet has led to talk of another spill in the Liberal leadership.

Whoever grasps this nettle may find themselves in Zak Kirkup’s position of just trying to put a brave face on a sure defeat.

maybe they pick them by a pass-the-parcel type vote.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Resignation of a few members of the Victorian shadow cabinet has led to talk of another spill in the Liberal leadership.

Whoever grasps this nettle may find themselves in Zak Kirkup’s position of just trying to put a brave face on a sure defeat.

They could at least choose someone who doesn’t look like a crook.

Actually it’s the challenger, Matthew Guy, who looks like a crook. I thought he was still leader.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Resignation of a few members of the Victorian shadow cabinet has led to talk of another spill in the Liberal leadership.

Whoever grasps this nettle may find themselves in Zak Kirkup’s position of just trying to put a brave face on a sure defeat.

They could at least choose someone who doesn’t look like a crook.

Actually it’s the challenger, Matthew Guy, who looks like a crook. I thought he was still leader.

Something fishy about him.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/karen-andrews-jobkeeper-companies-should-soul-search/100438058

And I’d suggest governments should write their legislation properly in the first place and soul searching would not be required.

buffy said:

governments should write their legislation properly in the first place and soul searching would not be required.

laugh out loud

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/scott-morrison-fathers-day-sydney-canberra-hold-the-hose/100441258

I didn’t know it was sort of secret.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/scott-morrison-fathers-day-sydney-canberra-hold-the-hose/100441258

I didn’t know it was sort of secret.

I’ll await a response from our very own ABC critic before making a comment.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/scott-morrison-fathers-day-sydney-canberra-hold-the-hose/100441258

I didn’t know it was sort of secret.

Nobody from his office broadcast that he was going to do it. They do if he visits a factory.

fuck corruption

A tearful Scott Morrison has provided an explanation for his cross-border Father’s Day trip to Sydney at the weekend, saying he loves his family more than you love yours.

Acknowledging that hundreds of thousands of Australians were unable to see their families on Father’s Day – even if they lived in the same city – the PM said that it was because they don’t deserve to.  

“I sat down with Jen and the kids on the weekend and we chatted about this. We said, why is it that I can ignore border closures during a pandemic while the rest of NSW, ACT and Victoria can’t? How am I able to get my weekends away paid for by the taxpayer? And the thing we came back to, again and again, is that I’m special and you’re inconsequential,” Mr Morrison said, his voice cracking with emotion.

“I get up here day in day out and I say that all Australians are equal; that if you have a go you get a go; that we’re all in this together. But the truth is, you’re meaningless. I only ever think about myself”.

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/09/07/my-family-is-more-important-than-your-family-morrison-emotional/

Ian said:

A tearful Scott Morrison has provided an explanation for his cross-border Father’s Day trip to Sydney at the weekend, saying he loves his family more than you love yours.

Acknowledging that hundreds of thousands of Australians were unable to see their families on Father’s Day – even if they lived in the same city – the PM said that it was because they don’t deserve to.  

“I sat down with Jen and the kids on the weekend and we chatted about this. We said, why is it that I can ignore border closures during a pandemic while the rest of NSW, ACT and Victoria can’t? How am I able to get my weekends away paid for by the taxpayer? And the thing we came back to, again and again, is that I’m special and you’re inconsequential,” Mr Morrison said, his voice cracking with emotion.

“I get up here day in day out and I say that all Australians are equal; that if you have a go you get a go; that we’re all in this together. But the truth is, you’re meaningless. I only ever think about myself”.

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/09/07/my-family-is-more-important-than-your-family-morrison-emotional/

finally a bit of the truth comes out!

corrupt fuction

dv said:

corrupt fuction

Mr Latham was planning a motion in Parliament today to seek the support of Upper House MPs to reveal the confidential details of the briefings, despite advice from Mr Waldon that “public disclosure of either document is likely to prejudice the Commission’s investigation”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/gladys-berejiklian-deflects-icac-questions/100441188

“despite”, seriously, nice one, perhaps they mean “due to”

oh, did we find corruption¿ oh no sorry have to set those findings aside, it’s been prejudiced

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/political-dynamite-jobkeeper-for-billionaires-a-campaign-wrecker-for-morrison-frydenberg/

For those who were wondering what the answer is to the question posed by the Betoota Advocate a few days back about how Labor will manage to screw up its current lead in the polls, the Advocate now assures us that the ALP is indeed working hard on the matter:

‘Labor Begins Election Campaign By Parachuting A Rich American Into Most Economically Disadvantaged Electorate In Australia”

captain_spalding said:

For those who were wondering what the answer is to the question posed by the Betoota Advocate a few days back about how Labor will manage to screw up its current lead in the polls, the Advocate now assures us that the ALP is indeed working hard on the matter:

‘Labor Begins Election Campaign By Parachuting A Rich American Into Most Economically Disadvantaged Electorate In Australia”

laughs uproroariously.

Federal police have charged a South Australian woman for allegedly ordering fake police badges as part of preparations to overthrow the government.

Teresa Van Lieshout, 49, was arrested after police searched her home at Peterborough in the mid-north last month.

Police also seized 470 fake badges sent to an address in Cairns, which were dumped in a creek.

They allege Ms Van Lieshout was part of a group which discussed forming an alternative federal police force to arrest politicians and public servants, although police do not believe the group was capable of carrying out the acts.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/peterborough-woman-arrested-over-fake-police-badges/100452416

Display of Nazi symbols will attract jail time under NSW Labor draft law

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/display-of-nazi-symbols-will-attract-jail-time-under-nsw-labor-draft-law-20210910-p58ql3.html

The opposition proposed a bill under which offenders could be punished for the public display of swastikas, with exemptions for their use by religious communities.

There see you all knew that Republican* was a religion.

*: Republiqanon

SCIENCE said:

Display of Nazi symbols will attract jail time under NSW Labor draft law

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/display-of-nazi-symbols-will-attract-jail-time-under-nsw-labor-draft-law-20210910-p58ql3.html

The opposition proposed a bill under which offenders could be punished for the public display of swastikas, with exemptions for their use by religious communities.

There see you all knew that Republican* was a religion.

*: Republiqanon

they’ll just make up new ones.

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism/

Declassified documents show Australia assisted CIA in coup against Chile’s Salvador Allende

Former Liberal PM Billy McMahon approved spy agency request to conduct covert operations in Chile, a move later overturned by Gough Whitlam

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/11/declassified-documents-show-australia-assisted-cia-in-coup-against-chiles-salvador-allende

How clashes with a minister helped get the future PM fired

By Annika Smethurst
September 11, 2021 — 12.01am

After his October 2004 federal election victory, John Howard made few changes for his fourth-term bench. He promoted two new junior ministers and seven new parliamentary secretaries but otherwise kept his Cabinet largely intact. One of the winners in the mini-reshuffle was Fran Bailey, who held the marginal seat of McEwen in Victoria. It was her second promotion in six months, having been elevated to employment services minister in 2003 – now she was in charge of small business and tourism.

Minister for Small Business and Tourism Fran Bailey became increasingly suspicious that she was being bypassed by the TA board and directed the blame at Morrison.

Having run her own farm and retail enterprise, Bailey knew a lot about small business, but tourism – especially international tourism – was relatively new to her. She publicly confirmed this within days of her appointment, telling the Gold Coast Bulletin she had “no experience” with tourism at the national level. Bailey’s uncertainty about her new role was matched by tourism industry suspicion concerning their new minister. It was a bad start.

Meanwhile, after serving for four years as state director of the NSW Liberal Party, Scott Morrison was looking for a chance to return to the tourism sector. Howard had told him that if he did a good job, the next job would look after itself.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/how-clashes-with-a-minister-helped-get-the-future-pm-fired-20210908-p58put.html

dv said:

Declassified documents show Australia assisted CIA in coup against Chile’s Salvador Allende

Former Liberal PM Billy McMahon approved spy agency request to conduct covert operations in Chile, a move later overturned by Gough Whitlam

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/11/declassified-documents-show-australia-assisted-cia-in-coup-against-chiles-salvador-allende

Australian

An Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) station was established in Chile at the Australian embassy in July 1971 at the request of the CIA and authorised by then Liberal Party Foreign Minister William McMahon. Newly elected Labor Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was informed of the operation in February 1973 and signed a document ordering the closure of the operation several weeks later. It appears, however, the last ASIS agent did not leave Chile until October 1973, one month after the coup d’état had brought down the Allende Government. There were also two officers of Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), Australia’s internal security service, who were based in Santiago working as migration officers during this period. The failure of timely closure of Australia’s covert operations was one of the reasons for the sacking of the Director of ASIS on 21 October 1975. This took effect on 7 November, just four days before Prime Minister’s Whitlam’s own dismissal in the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis with allegations of CIA political interference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

ChrispenEvan said:

https://johnmenadue.com/democracy-in-decline-australias-slide-into-competitive-authoritarianism/

Nods in total agreement.

New shadow Attorney General in Victoria has no background in the law.

dv said:

New shadow Attorney General in Victoria has no background in the law.

And your point is?

:)

(I haven’t read the news for a couple of hours. I suppose I should skim the headlines again)

buffy said:

dv said:

New shadow Attorney General in Victoria has no background in the law.

And your point is?

:)

(I haven’t read the news for a couple of hours. I suppose I should skim the headlines again)

The entirety of my point is contained in the text I’ve posted. There’s no hidden message.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

New shadow Attorney General in Victoria has no background in the law.

And your point is?

:)

(I haven’t read the news for a couple of hours. I suppose I should skim the headlines again)

The entirety of my point is contained in the text I’ve posted. There’s no hidden message.

Yes, my comment is the usual sarcastic one used in this household. It probably works better if you can use a facial expression with it.

Territory Labor has won the Daly by-election, with candidate Dheran Young wresting the seat off the Country Liberal Party (CLP) opposition.

Mr Young had 55.8 per cent of the two-candidate preferred tally and enjoyed a 7.1 per cent swing in his favour when counting stopped on Saturday night.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/territory-labor-declares-victory-dheran-young-daly-byelection/100454830

buffy said:

dv said:

New shadow Attorney General in Victoria has no background in the law.

And your point is?

:)

(I haven’t read the news for a couple of hours. I suppose I should skim the headlines again)

AG is one of the few ministries which realistically require the minister in charge of the portfolio to have some experience and qualifications in the profession in order to be able to handle the job.

party_pants said:

AG is one of the few ministries which realistically require the minister in charge of the portfolio to have some experience and qualifications in the profession in order to be able to handle the job.

Although, in the case of Christian Porter, you could be forgiven for thinking that this is not a consideration.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

AG is one of the few ministries which realistically require the minister in charge of the portfolio to have some experience and qualifications in the profession in order to be able to handle the job.

Although, in the case of Christian Porter, you could be forgiven for thinking that this is not a consideration.

his job was to apply the law, not for law to apply to him, c’m‘on let’s be serious

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

AG is one of the few ministries which realistically require the minister in charge of the portfolio to have some experience and qualifications in the profession in order to be able to handle the job.

Although, in the case of Christian Porter, you could be forgiven for thinking that this is not a consideration.

He was a crown prosecutor before entering WA state parliament. He served as state AG before going Feral.

sarahs mum said:

They’re not just silent, they’re congratulating her for “showing the other premiers what leadership means”.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

They’re not just silent, they’re congratulating her for “showing the other premiers what leadership means”.

yes, nods, cries.

sarahs mum said:

My sentiments exactly.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

They’re not just silent, they’re congratulating her for “showing the other premiers what leadership means”.

yes, nods, cries.

I just don’t see what Gladys has done right. She’s fucked up everything up. Everything.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

They’re not just silent, they’re congratulating her for “showing the other premiers what leadership means”.

yes, nods, cries.

I just don’t see what Gladys has done right. She’s fucked up everything up. Everything.

She’s fucked up everything except the spin-doctoring and blame-shifting.

She and Morrison are distracting attention from their failures by blaming the public for whatever happens next, and the tactic seems to be working.

Morrison and Berejiklian are attempting to shift the blame for Covid on to us

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/morrison-and-berejiklian-are-attempting-to-shift-the-blame-for-covid-on-to-us

sarahs mum said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

ffs.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

ffs.

It’s a strawman, I cant find one article that criticised Andrews for not making a presser while he was sick.
Not by any newscorp journo let alone all of them.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

ffs.

It’s a strawman, I cant find one article that criticised Andrews for not making a presser while he was sick.
Not by any newscorp journo let alone all of them.

News Corp have been running a relentless campaign against “Dictator Dan” (a term they actually use, especially on Sky News).

They’ve been foaming at the mouth because he’s still popular in Victoria despite all their efforts at bullshit and smear.

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

Perhaps not quite what you are looking for, but there certainly was some nasty stuff:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/07/victorian-opposition-accused-of-spreading-conspiracies-about-dan-andrews-injury

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

and yours usually are anyway so what is your excuse?

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/11/auco-s11.html

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

News Corp propaganda is always predictable. And these days it’s not so much a “contribution to debate” as an orchestrated campaign of hate speech.

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

see, you immediately go into this crap. if you read balanced articles already, and there are plenty of those (you can tell by the tone) then you have the objectivity. you lack that as shown by these typical responses.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

Perhaps not quite what you are looking for, but there certainly was some nasty stuff:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/07/victorian-opposition-accused-of-spreading-conspiracies-about-dan-andrews-injury

The “rumours” about Andrew’s injury were reported by News Corp as “understandable”, “not surprising” etc.

Here’s Sky News on the topic:

>Mr Bolt spoke with News Corp National Weekend Political Editor James Campbell about the issue.

“Sadly, people in Victoria have got a lot of time on their hands at the moment to muse on things like this,” Mr Campbell said.

“People have got used to watching Andrews during lockdowns one, two and three … and he’s sort of become a large paramount leader in a sort of soviet-style.

“It was unsurprising really that when the leader disappeared suddenly, we would all begin to speculate as to what had become of him.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHvOGwfSrJU

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

First of all we need to establish that it is true that some journalist criticised Andrews for not giving a press conference while he was sick.

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

You should listen to none. You should come up with your own coherent and logical set of moral and philosophical principles, and stick to them. Don’t pick a side like a follow them like a football team. Stick to your principles and judge all of them accordingly.

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t read right wing tripe so I wouldn’t know. You are in the best position to tell.

If you don’t listen to both sides of a debate your views on politics become predictable, devoid of objectivity and increasingly irrelevant.

and yours usually are anyway so what is your excuse?

I don’t do facebook, I don’t do twitter, I’m not a member of any political activist group or any group for that matter and I don’t have any feeds. I think for myself and I consume a very catholic range of media most of which is driven from a financial or ideological point of view.
This left wing forum is the only one I’m a member of.
What I do do is try and keep you all grounded and off the bus.

Joel Fitzgibbon is quitting politics, will not contest the next election.

Seems pretty accurate.

Murdoch man and coal industry champion Joel Fitzgibbon to quit politics at the next election, having spent decades trying to sabotage the Labor Party:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/13/labor-mp-joel-fitzgibbon-to-quit-politics-taking-parting-swipe-at-idealist-progressives

Spiny Norman said:

Seems pretty accurate.

:)

A new report estimates almost 40 thousand university jobs, or one fifth of the sector, have been lost in the 12 months until May.
Duration: 3min 23sec
Broadcast: Mon 13 Sep 2021, 6:00am
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Kate Clarke, tutor, Monash University
Jim Stanford, Centre for Future Work
Dr Alison Barnes, President, National Tertiary Education Union

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/university-sector-sheds-40,000-jobs/13538778

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But it was done without a lot of bloodshed.

sarahs mum said:

A new report estimates almost 40 thousand university jobs, or one fifth of the sector, have been lost in the 12 months until May.
Duration: 3min 23sec
Broadcast: Mon 13 Sep 2021, 6:00am
More Information

Featured:
Kate Clarke, tutor, Monash University
Jim Stanford, Centre for Future Work
Dr Alison Barnes, President, National Tertiary Education Union

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/university-sector-sheds-40,000-jobs/13538778

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But it was done without a lot of bloodshed.

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

A new report estimates almost 40 thousand university jobs, or one fifth of the sector, have been lost in the 12 months until May.
Duration: 3min 23sec
Broadcast: Mon 13 Sep 2021, 6:00am
More Information

Featured:
Kate Clarke, tutor, Monash University
Jim Stanford, Centre for Future Work
Dr Alison Barnes, President, National Tertiary Education Union

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/university-sector-sheds-40,000-jobs/13538778

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But it was done without a lot of bloodshed.

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

A new report estimates almost 40 thousand university jobs, or one fifth of the sector, have been lost in the 12 months until May.
Duration: 3min 23sec
Broadcast: Mon 13 Sep 2021, 6:00am
More Information

Featured:
Kate Clarke, tutor, Monash University
Jim Stanford, Centre for Future Work
Dr Alison Barnes, President, National Tertiary Education Union

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/university-sector-sheds-40,000-jobs/13538778

—

But it was done without a lot of bloodshed.

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

Gee, you wouldn’t be related to a Uni executive would you?

:)

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

A new report estimates almost 40 thousand university jobs, or one fifth of the sector, have been lost in the 12 months until May.
Duration: 3min 23sec
Broadcast: Mon 13 Sep 2021, 6:00am
More Information

Featured:
Kate Clarke, tutor, Monash University
Jim Stanford, Centre for Future Work
Dr Alison Barnes, President, National Tertiary Education Union

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/university-sector-sheds-40,000-jobs/13538778

—

But it was done without a lot of bloodshed.

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

But it’s okay. Private schools got jobkeeper even if they were making a profit. And those kids won’t be going to art school or studying history or philosophy or Asian studies..

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

cuts have been made in areas traditionally populated by overseas students…

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

cuts have been made in areas traditionally populated by overseas students…

Overseas students don’t come for fine arts.

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

A new report estimates almost 40 thousand university jobs, or one fifth of the sector, have been lost in the 12 months until May.
Duration: 3min 23sec
Broadcast: Mon 13 Sep 2021, 6:00am
More Information

Featured:
Kate Clarke, tutor, Monash University
Jim Stanford, Centre for Future Work
Dr Alison Barnes, President, National Tertiary Education Union

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/university-sector-sheds-40,000-jobs/13538778

—

But it was done without a lot of bloodshed.

in fairness, over the last decade the tertiary education sector has grown a very particular level of large-esque… I know this sucks for the people involved, but a leaner more efficient sector isn’t a bad thing…

Gee, you wouldn’t be related to a Uni executive would you?

:)

we may have a particular brand of kool-aid on offer at home

but she’s largely responsible for engagement and recruitment (which is all about bringing home the bacon), not academic or research…

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

But it’s okay. Private schools got jobkeeper even if they were making a profit. And those kids won’t be going to art school or studying history or philosophy or Asian studies..

I’m not sure I understand the point you are trying to make…

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

sarahs mum said:

In fairness other people had their jobs protected.

And it comes to pass that some uni departments will survive and others won’t.

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

cuts have been made in areas traditionally populated by overseas students…

not in all circumstances.. cuts have been made in a lot of areas that are viewed as ‘non-profitable’ or ‘low-margin’.. now I’m not suggesting that this is a good thing, it’s just that the govt forced universities to change their operating model by making them go out and seek alternative income sources, it’s of little surprise then they behave like businesses when those income sources cease to exist.

Polar bear attack, apparently.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

The problem is that the cuts have not been made evenly across all universities or, as you say, across all faculties. It’s certainty going to be much harder for some some institutions to recover, and that will further exacerbate the gap between, particularly, teaching and learning only institutions and the larger universities that can lean more heavily on research funding.

cuts have been made in areas traditionally populated by overseas students…

Overseas students don’t come for fine arts.

just going on what has happened at my uni… mostly engineering and hard sciences… but also media and theatre arts (as if that’s a subject anyway pfft!) but it feels like the University’s got together and said you take this and we’ll take this and then we can all stay afloat until after we get OS students back

dude.. really??

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

cuts have been made in areas traditionally populated by overseas students…

Overseas students don’t come for fine arts.

just going on what has happened at my uni… mostly engineering and hard sciences… but also media and theatre arts (as if that’s a subject anyway pfft!) but it feels like the University’s got together and said you take this and we’ll take this and then we can all stay afloat until after we get OS students back

are you Curtain or UWA? (or one of the smaller teaching and learning institutions like Edith Cowan)

some sort of content warning or perhaps just a link PWM…

diddly-squat said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Overseas students don’t come for fine arts.

just going on what has happened at my uni… mostly engineering and hard sciences… but also media and theatre arts (as if that’s a subject anyway pfft!) but it feels like the University’s got together and said you take this and we’ll take this and then we can all stay afloat until after we get OS students back

are you Curtain or UWA? (or one of the smaller teaching and learning institutions like Edith Cowan)

Murdoch… I lecture and tutor there now, so I get all the inside information… I also have a part time gig in the Domestic engagement/future students space…

diddly-squat said:

dude.. really??

^
yeah. I didn’t need that.

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

Arts said:

just going on what has happened at my uni… mostly engineering and hard sciences… but also media and theatre arts (as if that’s a subject anyway pfft!) but it feels like the University’s got together and said you take this and we’ll take this and then we can all stay afloat until after we get OS students back

are you Curtain or UWA? (or one of the smaller teaching and learning institutions like Edith Cowan)

Murdoch… I lecture and tutor there now, so I get all the inside information… I also have a part time gig in the Domestic engagement/future students space…

Nice.. Mrs diddly-squat is the new DVC External Engagement at Adelaide

Peak Warming Man said:

Polar bear attack, apparently.

Aus politics is brutal these days

Accurate enough.

diddly-squat said:

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

are you Curtain or UWA? (or one of the smaller teaching and learning institutions like Edith Cowan)

Murdoch… I lecture and tutor there now, so I get all the inside information… I also have a part time gig in the Domestic engagement/future students space…

Nice.. Mrs diddly-squat is the new DVC External Engagement at Adelaide

So like an outreach team? they have their own DVC? props to her

Peak Warming Man said:

Polar bear attack, apparently.

Ouch!

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Polar bear attack, apparently.

Ouch!

Remind me to stay away from polar bears.

dv said:

…except by Rupert.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

…except by Rupert.

Rupert will have a second lined up.

dv said:

ouch!

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

…except by Rupert.

Rupert will have a second lined up.

I’m sure there’s people contacting Rupert already about how suitable they are for the role.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/former-small-business-ombudsman-wants-compassion-for-those-overpaid-welfare-due-to-jobkeeper

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

ChrispenEvan said:

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

these the same commentators who would give equal importance and time and treatment to intelligent design then

“No. I don’t want to.” Last night, the details of Christian Porter’s rape allegation were made public.

https://www.mamamia.com.au/christian-porter-dossier/?fbclid=IwAR3voMPDW6T8kptZkWsypTvoKtAdT2GXwFEKOo7v4iYuJiopqb8seRcnmFE

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

these the same commentators who would give equal importance and time and treatment to intelligent design then

read that, wasn’t too bad, though crossed my mind while reading that if there was any democracy about history a person would be able to remember back to their own birth, or would be encouraged to consider critically back to that point and previous, consider the continuity culture provides that way, being relatively immortal as it is, important that way

and perhaps it does encourage that, it’s in the value of life, but I can’t help thinking it’s something of a big reset button for some types of social constructionists, a secret work of nature in the contemporary influence

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

It is time abandon Twitter as a failed experiment in human-to-human connectivity.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

It is time abandon Twitter as a failed experiment in human-to-human connectivity.

Twitter needs content while journalists (At least employed ones) don’t need twitter. The simple solution is for them to simply stop using Twitter.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

It is time abandon Twitter as a failed experiment in human-to-human connectivity.

I just wish the news media wouldn’t pay so much attention to it. They seem to be in awe of it.

My only knowledge of what’s posted on Twitter comes from news websites. That article itself points out that only about 6% of Australians follow Twitter.

>My only knowledge of what’s posted on Twitter comes from news websites.

…and the ones posted in here.

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

It is time abandon Twitter as a failed experiment in human-to-human connectivity.

I just wish the news media wouldn’t pay so much attention to it. They seem to be in awe of it.

My only knowledge of what’s posted on Twitter comes from news websites. That article itself points out that only about 6% of Australians follow Twitter.

And what heidi sends me. Like this one.

Leon Compton
@LeonCompton
This morning Tas Secretary of Health, Katherine Morgan-Wicks, tells Mornings she will recommend that vaccination rates of ‘above 90%’ be achieved before Tasmania relaxes border restrictions. #politas
11:18 AM · Sep 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Well only lefties watch/listen to ABC, so it makes sense.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

It is time abandon Twitter as a failed experiment in human-to-human connectivity.

I can’t abandon it.

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

reading that, more study of irrational humans, fortunate thing there’s a special rationality that pervades the ABC

quite a few across the media, and politicians have had me wondering recently how well the word inevitability lends to being threatening

the word might pass for passive, inviting resignation to whatever reality maybe, on the face of it, but doubtful that’s the only way it has been used

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

Yeah. The human brain is only hard-wired for a certain number of meaningful human relationships (the number usually bandied around is about 150). Twitter seems to be about trying to connect with thousands or millions of people on a direct basis. It is just not going to work. I think you take Twitter too seriously if you are hurt by it.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

I don’t understand why people who are being mass-trolled actually sit there reading through them.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

Yeah. The human brain is only hard-wired for a certain number of meaningful human relationships (the number usually bandied around is about 150). Twitter seems to be about trying to connect with thousands or millions of people on a direct basis. It is just not going to work. I think you take Twitter too seriously if you are hurt by it.

It does also seem set up to be a platform to insult rather than inform, can spout off a few paragraphs of vitriol but not really convey too much useful information.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

I don’t understand why people who are being mass-trolled actually sit there reading through them.

That’s exactly what I mean, you can block them as well

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

I don’t understand why people who are being mass-trolled actually sit there reading through them.

Diverse responses to Sales’s article: some accusing her of bias, others saying she should keep sticking it to extremist Labor governments.

Christian Porter reveals part of legal fees paid by blind trust with funds from unknown source

Former attorney general says he has ‘no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust’

Christian Porter has revealed that part of his defamation legal fees were paid by a blind trust with funds from an unknown source.

The industry and science minister updated his register of interests on Monday, revealing that the Legal Services Trust had paid part of the fees for the now discontinued defamation case.

In the declaration, Porter claimed that as he is a potential beneficiary he had “no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust”. Unlike companies, there is no requirement to register a trust in Australia, meaning details including beneficiaries, trustees and revenues are not publicly available. It is not clear how much of Porter’s legal fees were paid by the trust.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/christian-porter-reveals-part-of-legal-fees-paid-by-blind-trust-with-funds-from-unknown-source

sarahs mum said:

Christian Porter reveals part of legal fees paid by blind trust with funds from unknown source

Former attorney general says he has ‘no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust’

Christian Porter has revealed that part of his defamation legal fees were paid by a blind trust with funds from an unknown source.

The industry and science minister updated his register of interests on Monday, revealing that the Legal Services Trust had paid part of the fees for the now discontinued defamation case.

In the declaration, Porter claimed that as he is a potential beneficiary he had “no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust”. Unlike companies, there is no requirement to register a trust in Australia, meaning details including beneficiaries, trustees and revenues are not publicly available. It is not clear how much of Porter’s legal fees were paid by the trust.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/christian-porter-reveals-part-of-legal-fees-paid-by-blind-trust-with-funds-from-unknown-source

Seems a bit odd to accept the money and not know who was behind it.

Uncle Rupert??

sarahs mum said:

I think it stinks like a rotten fish.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I think it stinks like a rotten fish.

+1

Seems to me that Fitzgibbon’s retirement could solve a bit of a problem for Labor. KKK could run in Hunter, leaving the branch’s preferred local candidate Tu Le to run in Fowler.

She lives in the Northern Beaches: all things considered it’s probably a similar drive time from there to Fowler or Hunter.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I think it stinks like a rotten fish.

A rotten fish coated in cat shit and concentrated bad breath.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I think it stinks like a rotten fish.

A rotten fish coated in cat shit and concentrated bad breath.

The smells so bad its covering all of Australia.

sarahs mum said:

Fair comment.

The primary purpose of the parliamentary register of interests is for politicians to be forced to declare where they are getting donations from. It is not good enough for a politician to declare getting funds but not knowing the source.

He should have asked and so he could have declared it properly.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Fair comment.

One for Insiders next week. And probably Michelle Grattan.

dv said:

Seems to me that Fitzgibbon’s retirement could solve a bit of a problem for Labor. KKK could run in Hunter, leaving the branch’s preferred local candidate Tu Le to run in Fowler.

She lives in the Northern Beaches: all things considered it’s probably a similar drive time from there to Fowler or Hunter.

sounds reasonable to me…. but labor gotta fuck it up some way if they are to lose come next election.

sarahs mum said:

It smells so bad driving on the Hume I had to put the wipers on to see the road properly.

sarahs mum said:

It smells so bad that people are wearing masks all the time.

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

pffft. Do you really think any of that benefitted the reef?

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

I think I read/heard somewhere that the crown of thorn starfish alarm that went back to the 70’s has since proved to be a normal process..
However I’m happy to be corrected on that one.

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

I’ve stolen that one.

Dark Orange said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

I was going to say something, but that says it better :)

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Do you think people are too sensitive about social media attacks
You can just tell them to fuck off and then ignore them, they are just essentially strangers you don’t care about

I don’t understand why people who are being mass-trolled actually sit there reading through them.

Diverse responses to Sales’s article: some accusing her of bias, others saying she should keep sticking it to extremist Labor governments.

the tweeting we’ve read, there seem to be quiet responses in agreement and a poisonous heap of right wing trolls

which does support the idea of there being silos

but also suggests that the pattern of trolls really does say more about the initiating sequence than the population distribution on social media

we’re also not suggesting that the trolling is acceptable

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve heard it said today that the older you get, the more you talk about politics.

My only opinion about politics is that Turnbull giving in 2018 the Great Barrier Reef Foundation a $444 million grant for preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is the last good thing that any politician did in Australia.

It finally eliminated my concerns over the Crown of Thorns starfish.

Where did the $444m go?

Did it do anything useful other than line the pockets of someone who just started a company to accept money?

I’m certain that it did nothing to help the GBR, other than lip service.

https://www.barrierreef.org/what-we-do/projects

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I don’t understand why people who are being mass-trolled actually sit there reading through them.

Diverse responses to Sales’s article: some accusing her of bias, others saying she should keep sticking it to extremist Labor governments.

the tweeting we’ve read, there seem to be quiet responses in agreement and a poisonous heap of right wing trolls

which does support the idea of there being silos

but also suggests that the pattern of trolls really does say more about the initiating sequence than the population distribution on social media

we’re also not suggesting that the trolling is acceptable

image everything you did had the flavor of mental states being subject the contemporary social environment, that they ought be, and increasingly immediate that way, and from the twenty-four hour news cycle then social media feeds it became right now, right this moment, not even time to evolve or sustain ideas about what shouldn’t be immediately consequential

further consider delusions of superior rationality inviting such immediacy, what sort of audience is likely to react to that

subject politics in media, they are operating in a very big field these days, global, international, with a strong activist dimension, the ways of activism, methods, none of which are peculiar to Left or Right of politics, no more common to one or the other

there are questions to do with to what extent media, Australian media represent Australia, are representative of Australians, or Australians would want to be represented by media, perhaps just as importantly

Australia would be a lot more relaxed if there wasn’t this persistent influencing force that assumes superior rationality, some idealized rationalism that wants to replicate, worse is that it has the assumption about it that it is the same everywhere, anywhere on the planet, all examples are similar

it’s more illusion and delusion than real, but illusions are powerful, no less so today as people get more of their reality through the aether, the media, TV etc, I mean they aren’t exactly living amongst nature in any way

courting of rational sameness is a problem, assumptions that way, the superiority

SCIENCE said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

we weren’t there but were they disgusted he had to resign

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

we weren’t there but were they disgusted he had to resign

Porter should be hung, drawn and quartered over this.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Apparently most Twitter trolls who target ABC political journalists are lefties:

Bullying on Twitter has become unhinged. It’s time to call out the personal, sexist attacks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/twitter-social-media-bullies-political-journalism/100458714

Well only lefties watch/listen to ABC, so it makes sense.

Ya think?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Christian Porter reveals part of legal fees paid by blind trust with funds from unknown source

Former attorney general says he has ‘no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust’

Christian Porter has revealed that part of his defamation legal fees were paid by a blind trust with funds from an unknown source.

The industry and science minister updated his register of interests on Monday, revealing that the Legal Services Trust had paid part of the fees for the now discontinued defamation case.

In the declaration, Porter claimed that as he is a potential beneficiary he had “no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust”. Unlike companies, there is no requirement to register a trust in Australia, meaning details including beneficiaries, trustees and revenues are not publicly available. It is not clear how much of Porter’s legal fees were paid by the trust.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/christian-porter-reveals-part-of-legal-fees-paid-by-blind-trust-with-funds-from-unknown-source

Seems a bit odd to accept the money and not know who was behind it.

Uncle Rupert??

Filth supports filth.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Christian Porter reveals part of legal fees paid by blind trust with funds from unknown source

Former attorney general says he has ‘no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust’

Christian Porter has revealed that part of his defamation legal fees were paid by a blind trust with funds from an unknown source.

The industry and science minister updated his register of interests on Monday, revealing that the Legal Services Trust had paid part of the fees for the now discontinued defamation case.

In the declaration, Porter claimed that as he is a potential beneficiary he had “no access to information about the conduct and funding of the trust”. Unlike companies, there is no requirement to register a trust in Australia, meaning details including beneficiaries, trustees and revenues are not publicly available. It is not clear how much of Porter’s legal fees were paid by the trust.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/christian-porter-reveals-part-of-legal-fees-paid-by-blind-trust-with-funds-from-unknown-source

Seems a bit odd to accept the money and not know who was behind it.

Uncle Rupert??

Filth supports filth.

I mean, if a brown paper envelope jam packed full of cash just happens to end up in your desk drawer, who are you to even question it?

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Seems a bit odd to accept the money and not know who was behind it.

Uncle Rupert??

Filth supports filth.

I mean, if a brown paper envelope jam packed full of cash just happens to end up in your desk drawer, who are you to even question it?

If you hand it in to the police and no one claims it…

New land clearing code in NSW.. Listen at 29 minutes. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/nsw-country-hour/nsw-country-hour/13531328

roughbarked said:

New land clearing code in NSW.. Listen at 29 minutes. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/nsw-country-hour/nsw-country-hour/13531328

Though there are merits to firebreaks, These are based on things never seen before.

Farmers should not be clearing more land. It is the cleared spaces that are exacerbating the risk of climate change caused fires.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

we weren’t there but were they disgusted he had to resign

Porter should be hung, drawn and quartered over this.

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

we weren’t there but were they disgusted he had to resign

Porter should be hung, drawn and quartered over this.

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Porter should be hung, drawn and quartered over this.

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

Oh, they did that. You were hanged, but not until you were dead.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Porter should be hung, drawn and quartered over this.

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

it was. the hanging bit was until they were dead.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

it was. the hanging bit was until they were dead.

wasn’t.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

Oh, they did that. You were hanged, but not until you were dead.

Although the Act of Parliament defining high treason remains on the United Kingdom’s statute books, during a long period of 19th-century legal reform the sentence of hanging, drawing, and quartering was changed to drawing, hanging until dead, and posthumous beheading and quartering, before being abolished in England in 1870. The death penalty for treason was abolished in 1998.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

it was. the hanging bit was until they were dead.

Emphasis on WAS. before they changed it.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/rachel-withers/2021/14/2021/1631598168/hushed-money

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

What is the deliberate untruth to which you refer?

https://theconversation.com/the-government-is-determined-to-keep-national-cabinets-work-a-secret-this-should-worry-us-all-167540

ChrispenEvan said:

https://theconversation.com/the-government-is-determined-to-keep-national-cabinets-work-a-secret-this-should-worry-us-all-167540

This is a new thing since Tony Abbott, am I correct in thinking thus?

https://theconversation.com/doctors-and-farmers-turn-up-heat-on-morrison-ahead-of-glasgow-167891

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

What is the deliberate untruth to which you refer?

Making out as if a $1000 donation wad his only sin.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

hanged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

Oh, they did that. You were hanged, but not until you were dead.

unhinged

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Filth supports filth.

I mean, if a brown paper envelope jam packed full of cash just happens to end up in your desk drawer, who are you to even question it?

If you hand it in to the police and no one claims it…

the long arm of the law, reaching out for the top lawyer

ChrispenEvan said:

https://theconversation.com/the-government-is-determined-to-keep-national-cabinets-work-a-secret-this-should-worry-us-all-167540

do I see an absence of dates on the conversation pages, is that because they deal in timeless truths, are as timeless as they are global perhaps

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

If you want to make a point it would help if you weren’t lying to try to make your point look better. The Porter thing is disgusting, so was Dastyari’s.

What is the deliberate untruth to which you refer?

Making out as if a $1000 donation wad his only sin.

yeah but if we took down any politician for just sinning then we’d have nobody left to take down

Malcolm Turnbull says Christian Porter’s use of anonymous blind trust to pay legal fees an ‘affront to transparency’

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/turnbull-says-christian-porter-blind-trust-outrageous/100462584

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://theconversation.com/the-government-is-determined-to-keep-national-cabinets-work-a-secret-this-should-worry-us-all-167540

do I see an absence of dates on the conversation pages, is that because they deal in timeless truths, are as timeless as they are global perhaps

small print under headline.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

We’d prefer the drawing and quartering to be done before he is dead.

Oh, they did that. You were hanged, but not until you were dead.

unhinged

Don’t forget the drawing out of your entrails in front of your living eyes, and their being incinerated.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Oh, they did that. You were hanged, but not until you were dead.

unhinged

Don’t forget the drawing out of your entrails in front of your living eyes, and their being incinerated.

You just don’t get that sort of free community entertainment in the open air anymore, people stay inside watching stuff on their devices.
It’s not right.

They don’t make Aust Politicians today like they used to … or perhaps they do. Australians aren’t very fond of their politicians, alive or dead. We have raised no great monuments to our leaders. We have no Lincoln Memorial, let alone a Mt Rushmore”.

“Among the ambitious and hirsuit politicians who brought about federation, to find Barton look for the only clean-shaven face … he was a lazy drunk.”

“Parkes was a bully and a show-off”

“Deacon’s real passion was spiritualism”

“Reid was inordinately vain and resolutely selfish – also cunning, vituperative and shallow”

Fisher’s religion was such that he “disaproved of sex because it might lead to dancing”. (Actually I like Fisher).

“If there was ever a contest to decide Australia’s least memorable Prime Minister, Joseph Cook (or Cooke – even his name was changeable)”

“Hughes lied about both his birthplace and year” and everything else.

“Bruce was a byword for failure, left Australia’s economy in ruins”

Scullin was very unlucky because he became Prime Minister a week before the Great Depression hit. His finances were cut off by the Commonwealth Bank, his treasurer accused of theft, and both his acting prime minister and acting treasurer swapped parties to vote against him.

Lyons was responsible for no ground-breaking legislation, made no memorable speeches, and walked out of his party to join the enemy. He also had a 15yr old girlfriend.

Page’s period as treasurer had resulted in debt, deficit and unemployement even before the Great Depression started.

Menzies, Ming the Mercilous. Had the distinction of being an awful leader both in peace time and war time.

Fadden – nothing of significance was achieved.

Curtin seems OK

Chifley ditto.

Holt gave us decomal currency. If he hadn’t died, he would have been murdered by his own party.

Gorton the socialist Liberal, is a name used to frighten Liberal party members to this day

Whereas Holt described himself as “first among equals”, McMahon got labelled “worst among sequels”. He was also described as “that treacherous little bastard”.

Whitlam began by great sewerage works in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. Also introduced Medibank. Not bad.

Fraser – “ruthless right winger”. Awful economist, took inflation to record highs. Kept raising taxes and never giving any of it back to the Australian people.

Hawke demanded affection, ruthless fighter. In later years betrayed his Labor party platform by privatising everything.

Keating, the undertaker. Initial public approval rating 17%.

“Howard personified ordinariness”. “His nickname Little Johnny referred not to his height but to his political vision”. Invented stagflation. Howard, “other than Bruce was the only politician who lost his own seat while prime minister”.

Rudd, “A rooster one day, a feather duster the next”

Gillard. Backstabbing bitch.

OECD calls on Australia to raise GST, lift jobless benefits and review the Reserve Bank to deal with economic fallout from COVID
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/oecd-australia-economy-gst-rba-jobs-covid-climate/100462798

mollwollfumble said:

They don’t make Aust Politicians today like they used to … or perhaps they do. Australians aren’t very fond of their politicians, alive or dead. We have raised no great monuments to our leaders. We have no Lincoln Memorial, let alone a Mt Rushmore”.

“Among the ambitious and hirsuit politicians who brought about federation, to find Barton look for the only clean-shaven face … he was a lazy drunk.”

Everyone was a drunk back then. They all drank like fish, with the average person consuming enough alcohol per week to put them into at least the ‘problem drinker’ category by today’s standards.

Barton was possibly the only one whose hand was steady enough to wield a razor without risk to his own life.

https://nessiesshoespot.com/2021/09/10/dear-mr-morrison/

Granted the dictatorship, Mark McGerrymander wastes no time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/mcgowan-election-laws-regional-representation/100463700

ChrispenEvan said:

https://nessiesshoespot.com/2021/09/10/dear-mr-morrison/

It is a bit sad that she has ignored the plights of others eg refugees. It was all okay until it was about her. But like a late to the party anti-vaxxer… good that she finally came around.

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://nessiesshoespot.com/2021/09/10/dear-mr-morrison/

It is a bit sad that she has ignored the plights of others eg refugees. It was all okay until it was about her. But like a late to the party anti-vaxxer… good that she finally came around.

Not really. One is at liberty to pick the fights one wants.

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://nessiesshoespot.com/2021/09/10/dear-mr-morrison/

It is a bit sad that she has ignored the plights of others eg refugees. It was all okay until it was about her. But like a late to the party anti-vaxxer… good that she finally came around.

I imagine Morrison is pretty impervious to criticism anyway. As far as he’s concerned, he’s Prime Minister because God has chosen him for this role.

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

War is obscene, not “sacred”.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

War is obscene, not “sacred”.

ANZAC Day isn’t about war though.

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

For Australia, the First World War remains the costliest conflict in terms of deaths and casualties. From a population of fewer than five million, 416,809 men enlisted, of whom more than 60,000 were killed and 156,000 wounded, gassed, or taken prisoner.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

War is obscene, not “sacred”.

Sometimes though its needed to stop really evil people

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

The entire first world war was a clusterfuck. I think remembering the folly of war is a worthwhile endeavor.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

Same here, I would consider all wars for the fallen, nothing less.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

It also comes across as insecurity as we have to remember something that happened over 100 years ago as a worthwhile sacrifice.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

The entire first world war was a clusterfuck. I think remembering the folly of war is a worthwhile endeavor.

that is OK but I think some of the overboard rhetoric about some of it could be wound back.

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

It also comes across as insecurity as we have to remember something that happened over 100 years ago as a worthwhile sacrifice.

I mean geez there are more recent military fuckups we can be proud of

dv said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

It also comes across as insecurity as we have to remember something that happened over 100 years ago as a worthwhile sacrifice.

I mean geez there are more recent military fuckups we can be proud of

I’m not in favour of any one, all the fallen should be included.

“I’m sure that trees were put on this earth in the very first instance because they were able to be cut down”

-Anne Ruston, then Federal Asst Minister for Water and Agriculture responsible for Forestry, during debate in the Senate.

dv said:

 “I’m sure that trees were put on this earth in the very first instance because they were able to be cut down”

-Anne Ruston, then Federal Asst Minister for Water and Agriculture responsible for Forestry, during debate in the Senate.

I thought it was to lift the leaves up off the ground so the herbivore dinosaurs didn’t have to bend down so far to eat.

party_pants said:

dv said:

 “I’m sure that trees were put on this earth in the very first instance because they were able to be cut down”

-Anne Ruston, then Federal Asst Minister for Water and Agriculture responsible for Forestry, during debate in the Senate.

I thought it was to lift the leaves up off the ground so the herbivore dinosaurs didn’t have to bend down so far to eat.

LOL

party_pants said:

dv said:

 “I’m sure that trees were put on this earth in the very first instance because they were able to be cut down”

-Anne Ruston, then Federal Asst Minister for Water and Agriculture responsible for Forestry, during debate in the Senate.

I thought it was to lift the leaves up off the ground so the herbivore dinosaurs didn’t have to bend down so far to eat.

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

“I’m sure that trees were put on this earth in the very first instance because they were able to be cut down”

-Anne Ruston, then Federal Asst Minister for Water and Agriculture responsible for Forestry, during debate in the Senate.

I thought it was to lift the leaves up off the ground so the herbivore dinosaurs didn’t have to bend down so far to eat.

LOL

:)

all junk actually they were put here to give Good American Christian Theocrats platforms to affix and elevate their festive decorations upon

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Acknowledging this to an extent, Tudge told ABC Hack he is “not concerned” about the curriculum in relation to “the arrivals of the First Fleet, people should learn about that, and they should learn the perspective from Indigenous people at that time as well”. What he doesn’t like is that certain events are critically explored:

“Instead of ANZAC Day being presented as the most sacred of all days in Australia, where we commemorate the 100,000 people who have died for our freedoms it’s presented as a contested idea ANZAC Day is not a contested idea, apart from an absolute fringe element in our society.”

https://theconversation.com/teaching-a-hatred-of-australia-no-minister-heres-why-a-democracy-has-critical-curriculum-content-167697

There’s no way I can regard the Gallipoli campaign as a battle for our freedoms

There’s so much wrong with it. I don’t think that questioning what he says about Gallipoli should make me a fringe dweller. Even though I really am a fringe dweller.

It’s a triumph of propaganda tbh

please

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/voices-movement-independents-fight-for-coalition-safe-seats/100446686

SCIENCE said:

please

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/voices-movement-independents-fight-for-coalition-safe-seats/100446686

The “Voices of” movement has the federal government worried.

This month, NSW Liberal senator Andrew Bragg wrote to the Australian Electoral Commission asking it to investigate the groups, which he accuses of failing to comply with electoral laws.

Senator Bragg argued voters should reject independents for another reason.

“An independent member can’t be a member of the government. That is a fact,” he said.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

please

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/voices-movement-independents-fight-for-coalition-safe-seats/100446686

The “Voices of” movement has the federal government worried.

This month, NSW Liberal senator Andrew Bragg wrote to the Australian Electoral Commission asking it to investigate the groups, which he accuses of failing to comply with electoral laws.

Senator Bragg argued voters should reject independents for another reason.

“An independent member can’t be a member of the government. That is a fact,” he said.

ah. right.