Date: 29/08/2021 05:04:44
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1783904
Subject: Robots - environmental future

I was wondering what you lot think about the future of robots and technology advances and what happens when technology advances.

In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.
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Date: 29/08/2021 08:45:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1783923
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

monkey skipper said:


I was wondering what you lot think about the future of robots and technology advances and what happens when technology advances.

In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

All machines are going to break down at some point in the future.

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Date: 29/08/2021 15:10:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1784072
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

monkey skipper said:


I was wondering what you lot think about the future of robots and technology advances and what happens when technology advances.

In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

>>>In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Yes, other nightmares will also arise, military, social, laziness will introduce more obesity.

>>>Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

Yes, if the materials are 100 percent recyclable.

>>>If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

Yes to all questions.

>>>I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

>>>How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

>>>Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

Battery technology is an evolving technology, its possible that robot body coverings will one day be the energy storage for the robots.

Robots will have more programmed emotions as well, and this could create future problems.

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Date: 29/08/2021 15:13:07
From: Tamb
ID: 1784074
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Tau.Neutrino said:


monkey skipper said:

I was wondering what you lot think about the future of robots and technology advances and what happens when technology advances.

In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

>>>In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Yes, other nightmares will also arise, military, social, laziness will introduce more obesity.

>>>Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

Yes, if the materials are 100 percent recyclable.

>>>If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

Yes to all questions.

>>>I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

>>>How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

>>>Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

Battery technology is an evolving technology, its possible that robot body coverings will one day be the energy storage for the robots.

Robots will have more programmed emotions as well, and this could create future problems.


Lets hope they adopt Asimov’s Laws Of Robotics.

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Date: 29/08/2021 15:19:50
From: Tamb
ID: 1784075
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Tamb said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

monkey skipper said:

I was wondering what you lot think about the future of robots and technology advances and what happens when technology advances.

In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

>>>In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Yes, other nightmares will also arise, military, social, laziness will introduce more obesity.

>>>Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

Yes, if the materials are 100 percent recyclable.

>>>If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

Yes to all questions.

>>>I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

>>>How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

>>>Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

Battery technology is an evolving technology, its possible that robot body coverings will one day be the energy storage for the robots.

Robots will have more programmed emotions as well, and this could create future problems.


Lets hope they adopt Asimov’s Laws Of Robotics.

Law One – “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” Law Two – “A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.” Law Three – “A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.” Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”
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Date: 29/08/2021 17:18:36
From: Kingy
ID: 1784129
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Tamb said:


Tamb said:

Lets hope they adopt Asimov’s Laws Of Robotics.

Law One – “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” Law Two – “A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.” Law Three – “A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.” Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:19:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1784132
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Kingy said:


Tamb said:

Tamb said:

Lets hope they adopt Asimov’s Laws Of Robotics.

Law One – “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” Law Two – “A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.” Law Three – “A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.” Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

No ones taking them to court.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:21:53
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784135
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Kingy said:


Tamb said:

Tamb said:

Lets hope they adopt Asimov’s Laws Of Robotics.

Law One – “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” Law Two – “A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.” Law Three – “A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.” Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:24:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784137
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Bogsnorkler said:


Kingy said:

Tamb said:

Law One – “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” Law Two – “A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.” Law Three – “A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.” Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

Which makes as little sense now as when it was written.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:25:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1784138
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Bogsnorkler said:


Kingy said:

Tamb said:

Law One – “A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.” Law Two – “A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.” Law Three – “A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.” Asimov later added the “Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

Those military robots don’t have positronic brains they appear to have negatronic brains so there is the problem.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:32:44
From: Kingy
ID: 1784144
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Tau.Neutrino said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Kingy said:

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

Those military robots don’t have positronic brains they appear to have negatronic brains so there is the problem.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:35:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1784146
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Kingy said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Bogsnorkler said:

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

Those military robots don’t have positronic brains they appear to have negatronic brains so there is the problem.


Definitely no positronic brain.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:36:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784147
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Kingy said:

There already are autonomous military drones that have killed humans deliberately and without immediate human oversight, so I don’t like your chances.

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

Which makes as little sense now as when it was written.

1942, fictional, mentioned in Runaround, which I have read. the positron had just been discovered.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:40:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784148
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Bogsnorkler said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

these laws were built into the robots positronic brain.

Which makes as little sense now as when it was written.

1942, fictional, mentioned in Runaround, which I have read. the positron had just been discovered.

My quibble was with the idea that a sentient machine could be restricted in its actions by the makeup of its ‘brain’. It it was it wouldn’t be sentient.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:42:30
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784149
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Which makes as little sense now as when it was written.

1942, fictional, mentioned in Runaround, which I have read. the positron had just been discovered.

My quibble was with the idea that a sentient machine could be restricted in its actions by the makeup of its ‘brain’. It it was it wouldn’t be sentient.

If it…

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:43:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784150
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Which makes as little sense now as when it was written.

1942, fictional, mentioned in Runaround, which I have read. the positron had just been discovered.

My quibble was with the idea that a sentient machine could be restricted in its actions by the makeup of its ‘brain’. It it was it wouldn’t be sentient.

that has been noted. it is a restriction.

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Date: 29/08/2021 17:43:51
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784151
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

1942, fictional, mentioned in Runaround, which I have read. the positron had just been discovered.

My quibble was with the idea that a sentient machine could be restricted in its actions by the makeup of its ‘brain’. It it was it wouldn’t be sentient.

If it…

don’t worry my wetware auto corrected that when i scanned it.

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Date: 29/08/2021 18:42:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1784166
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

1942, fictional, mentioned in Runaround, which I have read. the positron had just been discovered.

My quibble was with the idea that a sentient machine could be restricted in its actions by the makeup of its ‘brain’. It it was it wouldn’t be sentient.

If it…

You must have a strange definition of “sentient” then.

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Date: 29/08/2021 18:47:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1784168
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

My quibble was with the idea that a sentient machine could be restricted in its actions by the makeup of its ‘brain’. It it was it wouldn’t be sentient.

If it…

You must have a strange definition of “sentient” then.

Aye, humans are generally regarded as sentient, and we’re restricted in our actions by the make-up of our brains.

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Date: 29/08/2021 18:51:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784172
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

If it…

You must have a strange definition of “sentient” then.

Aye, humans are generally regarded as sentient, and we’re restricted in our actions by the make-up of our brains.

I suppose i’m alluding to free-will.

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Date: 29/08/2021 18:58:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1784174
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You must have a strange definition of “sentient” then.

Aye, humans are generally regarded as sentient, and we’re restricted in our actions by the make-up of our brains.

I suppose i’m alluding to free-will.

Presumably the robots would be intelligent enough to understand that “will” isn’t “free” – it’s constrained by all kinds of criteria, which is what makes it purposeful rather than random.

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Date: 29/08/2021 19:01:49
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784176
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

I don’t think the positronic brain imbued the robot with sentience.

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Date: 29/08/2021 21:46:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1784224
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

monkey skipper said:


I was wondering what you lot think about the future of robots and technology advances and what happens when technology advances.

In our future will robots become part of an environmental nightmare?

Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now. So….in the future the materials they choose for robots will need to be carefully considered.

If they produced robots that walk around like everyday people in society , would they start to malfunction with age or become superseded by new technology and fads to become a waste product?

I imagine robots that are made to do precision work in a production line would last for a long time but at some point , technology changes and gets upgraded or replaced.

How energy thirsty will robots become as far as resources required to make them, maintain them and how easy will it be to source these resources over time?

Lithium is not a resource in abundance and is currently used in batteries for one example.

I don’t see humanoid or biomimetic robots playing a significant role in our future.

Useful robots of the future seem to be more of the style of the roomba, driverless car, rocket, military drone.

> Computers become obsolete and end up in landfill now.

No they don’t. You’re way out of date. All tech stuff is recyclable now, and already most of it is actually recycled.

Cars and robots are recycled, too. This all saves on mining.

I sincerely hope that lithium will all end up being recycled. I expect it will.

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Date: 29/08/2021 23:16:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1784258
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

>>>Battery technology is an evolving technology, its possible that robot body coverings will one day be the energy storage for the robots.

This will enable robots to redress themselves with charged up body coverings.

The ideal robot covering ie robot skin would have solar energy capture, energy storage, this could reduce the weight of the robot.

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Date: 29/08/2021 23:18:18
From: sibeen
ID: 1784261
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

Tau.Neutrino said:


>>>Battery technology is an evolving technology, its possible that robot body coverings will one day be the energy storage for the robots.

This will enable robots to redress themselves with charged up body coverings.

The ideal robot covering ie robot skin would have solar energy capture, energy storage, this could reduce the weight of the robot.

The idea of making the skin of the robot solar energy capable will reduce the weight of the robot by approximately 0.000174%.

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Date: 29/08/2021 23:19:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1784263
Subject: re: Robots - environmental future

sibeen said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>Battery technology is an evolving technology, its possible that robot body coverings will one day be the energy storage for the robots.

This will enable robots to redress themselves with charged up body coverings.

The ideal robot covering ie robot skin would have solar energy capture, energy storage, this could reduce the weight of the robot.

The idea of making the skin of the robot solar energy capable will reduce the weight of the robot by approximately 0.000174%.

I guess we can scratch that idea.

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