Date: 30/08/2021 07:55:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1784309
Subject: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

I wrote this letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Things few people know about covid

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:04:30
From: buffy
ID: 1784331
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

>>How does covid compare with other infectious diseases? Let’s start with Australia. Over the five years 2016 to 2020, there was one year with an exceptionally high death toll from infectious respiratory diseases, and it wasn’t 2020! It was 2018. If you know the reason, please tell me. Some strain of flu, possibly. The Australian death toll in 2020 was absolutely typical for a non-epidemic year.<<

Can you find what you want in here?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/grim-books/contents/grim-books

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:15:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1784334
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

buffy said:


>>How does covid compare with other infectious diseases? Let’s start with Australia. Over the five years 2016 to 2020, there was one year with an exceptionally high death toll from infectious respiratory diseases, and it wasn’t 2020! It was 2018. If you know the reason, please tell me. Some strain of flu, possibly. The Australian death toll in 2020 was absolutely typical for a non-epidemic year.<<

Can you find what you want in here?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/grim-books/contents/grim-books

I’m not sure that comparing Covid+strict(ish) lockdowns with other diseases+business absolutely as normal is all that useful.

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:19:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784337
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

>>How does covid compare with other infectious diseases? Let’s start with Australia. Over the five years 2016 to 2020, there was one year with an exceptionally high death toll from infectious respiratory diseases, and it wasn’t 2020! It was 2018. If you know the reason, please tell me. Some strain of flu, possibly. The Australian death toll in 2020 was absolutely typical for a non-epidemic year.<<

Can you find what you want in here?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-death/grim-books/contents/grim-books

I’m not sure that comparing Covid+strict(ish) lockdowns with other diseases+business absolutely as normal is all that useful.

but it’s the only comparison we have, if only someone had done the experiments then we’d

… wait …

oh shit

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:37:12
From: Michael V
ID: 1784352
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Takes threshing and winnowing machines to moll’s post.

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:39:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784354
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-30/sydney-news-covid-positive-no-self-isolating/100416586

These people really annoy me.

Sydney news: Increase in COVID-19 positive residents refusing to self-isolate

COVID live updates: Several NSW prisons in lockdown over concerns of coronavirus exposure

Nurse insiders raise the alarm over COVID-19 spreading in mental health wards

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:47:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784360
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Michael V said:


Takes threshing and winnowing machines to moll’s post.

You’re too kind. This dribble is worthy of a rubbish bin.

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Date: 30/08/2021 10:48:41
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784364
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Witty Rejoinder said:


Michael V said:

Takes threshing and winnowing machines to moll’s post.

You’re too kind. This dribble is worthy of a rubbish bin.

Actually that should be ‘drivel’.

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Date: 30/08/2021 12:41:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784384
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

What has Gladys come up with to distract attention from that figure?

What figure?

Your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me.

We’re certain that there is a component, possibly major, of malice. However, what we’re finding difficult to exactly gauge is just how much is genuinely a clutching-at-straws, too-much-going-on-for-this-small-brain-to-handle-so-can’t-focus flitting around. Either way it’s a total fuck-up sure.

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Date: 30/08/2021 12:45:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1784386
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

You lost Margaret in the second par.

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:16:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784408
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Dark Orange said:


Agree but you know how we kept telling them that antilockdown arseholes are just supporting Longer, laterL Lockdowns, well, did they Listen ¿

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:24:33
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1784409
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

irrespective of who that ‘letter’ is directed at, the response would simply be… tl;dr

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:26:15
From: buffy
ID: 1784410
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

diddly-squat said:

irrespective of who that ‘letter’ is directed at, the response would simply be… tl;dr

Yes, that was my first reaction. But I went back to it after I’d read other stuff and while I ate my breakfast.

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:27:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784411
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she expects the worst pressure on the state’s health system to come in October, but says health authorities have been gearing up for nearly two years to deal with it.

“expects”

wants

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:29:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784412
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

For all of you in general this is actually mixed news, but given the situation we have, overall we suggest it’s good.

We’ve found you all a way out for the Correct And Compassionate Australian States Of ZeroCOVID™ where they actually care about human (and other) lilfe, that will allow you all to stand against the arseholes even if signed up to some spurious 70% or 80% or whatever precipice.

In short:

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:30:12
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1784414
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

irrespective of who that ‘letter’ is directed at, the response would simply be… tl;dr

Yes, that was my first reaction. But I went back to it after I’d read other stuff and while I ate my breakfast.

I found it virtually unreadable

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:31:23
From: buffy
ID: 1784415
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

SCIENCE…why are you in this thread with general COVID stuff?

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:37:46
From: transition
ID: 1784416
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

SCIENCE said:


Dark Orange said:


Agree but you know how we kept telling them that antilockdown arseholes are just supporting Longer, laterL Lockdowns, well, did they Listen ¿

i’d like to know if it’s even legal to release covid, I suspect it isn’t, that’s what a lot of the political maneuvers are about, to get around that

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Date: 30/08/2021 13:41:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784418
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

buffy said:

SCIENCE…why are you in this thread with general COVID stuff?

sorry we just saw a later date, we’ll go back to find the other

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Date: 30/08/2021 19:24:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1784613
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

I need to make a correction to what I said.

I said “There is a myth about herd immunity. Herd immunity exists and is extremely important, but herd immunity cannot be generated by vaccination.”

That is wrong. Herd immunity can be generated by vaccination, really easily in fact, but it can’t be generated by the AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna etc. vaccines now being distributed worldwide.

Herd immunity could never be generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, because of the way they’re designed. But a slight modification could have been made to the AstraZeneca vaccine to allow it to generate herd immunity. It wasn’t done.

Why wasn’t it done? Because herd immunity can only be generated by a vaccine with significant side effects, such as chronic coughing. It’s only by such side effects that immunity can be transferred from one person to another. This transfer is the source of herd immunity.

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:39:16
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1784814
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

mollwollfumble said:

Herd immunity could never be generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, because of the way they’re designed. But a slight modification could have been made to the AstraZeneca vaccine to allow it to generate herd immunity. It wasn’t done.

Why wasn’t it done? Because herd immunity can only be generated by a vaccine with significant side effects, such as chronic coughing. It’s only by such side effects that immunity can be transferred from one person to another. This transfer is the source of herd immunity.

Moll.. this is actually complete bullshit

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:41:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784815
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

diddly-squat said:


mollwollfumble said:

Herd immunity could never be generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, because of the way they’re designed. But a slight modification could have been made to the AstraZeneca vaccine to allow it to generate herd immunity. It wasn’t done.

Why wasn’t it done? Because herd immunity can only be generated by a vaccine with significant side effects, such as chronic coughing. It’s only by such side effects that immunity can be transferred from one person to another. This transfer is the source of herd immunity.

Moll.. this is actually complete bullshit

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:43:38
From: sibeen
ID: 1784816
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Witty Rejoinder said:


diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

Herd immunity could never be generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, because of the way they’re designed. But a slight modification could have been made to the AstraZeneca vaccine to allow it to generate herd immunity. It wasn’t done.

Why wasn’t it done? Because herd immunity can only be generated by a vaccine with significant side effects, such as chronic coughing. It’s only by such side effects that immunity can be transferred from one person to another. This transfer is the source of herd immunity.

Moll.. this is actually complete bullshit

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

I was going to say “welcome to the forum” :)

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:43:48
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1784817
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Witty Rejoinder said:


diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

Herd immunity could never be generated by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, because of the way they’re designed. But a slight modification could have been made to the AstraZeneca vaccine to allow it to generate herd immunity. It wasn’t done.

Why wasn’t it done? Because herd immunity can only be generated by a vaccine with significant side effects, such as chronic coughing. It’s only by such side effects that immunity can be transferred from one person to another. This transfer is the source of herd immunity.

Moll.. this is actually complete bullshit

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

it’s actually maddening to see such drivel.. luckily the readership of this place is limited to less than 100 people globally

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:44:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1784818
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

sibeen said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Moll.. this is actually complete bullshit

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

I was going to say “welcome to the forum” :)

Yes, we are all above average bullshitters here.

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:46:39
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1784819
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

The Rev Dodgson said:


sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

I was going to say “welcome to the forum” :)

Yes, we are all above average bullshitters here.

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Date: 31/08/2021 12:47:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1784820
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

diddly-squat said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Moll.. this is actually complete bullshit

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

it’s actually maddening to see such drivel.. luckily the readership of this place is limited to less than 100 people globally

And most of us realise that moll is a fellow who “does his own research” and routinely reaches conclusions at odds with the experts.

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Date: 31/08/2021 17:14:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1784885
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Bubblecar said:


diddly-squat said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Hello DS. Meet Moll.

it’s actually maddening to see such drivel.. luckily the readership of this place is limited to less than 100 people globally

And most of us realise that moll is a fellow who “does his own research” and routinely reaches conclusions at odds with the experts.

Indeed. It’s called “going back to original sources”, “arguing from first principles” and “mathematical analysis”. None of which most reporters in the popular press have any experience of.

All of which means digging up all the original science articles and analysing the raw data myself using proved statistical methods, rather than relying on the distorted hype that some poor overworked reporter fills the sensationalist public press with. I’m a better scientific expert than about 95% of those that the press turns to for an opinion. And those who are more knowledgeable than me, I listen to, such as the heads of the Russian and Korean covid reseach facilities.

How long do you think it will take to get to peak third wave in Australia? The sooner the better.

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Date: 31/08/2021 17:23:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1784886
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Anastasia Unspellable has said she didn’t grant exceptions to a shed load of NRL wives and families to come into Queensland it was her chief health officer who is now lying under a bus.

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Date: 31/08/2021 18:21:40
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1784912
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

mollwollfumble said:


And those who are more knowledgeable than me, I listen to, such as the heads of the Russian and Korean covid reseach facilities.

And by what metric do you judge that the Russians are more knowledgeable?

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Date: 31/08/2021 18:22:33
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1784914
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Witty Rejoinder said:


mollwollfumble said:

And those who are more knowledgeable than me, I listen to, such as the heads of the Russian and Korean covid reseach facilities.

And by what metric do you judge that the Russians are more knowledgeable?

The effectiveness of their ineffective covid vaccine…

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Date: 31/08/2021 18:25:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1784918
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Witty Rejoinder said:


mollwollfumble said:

And those who are more knowledgeable than me, I listen to, such as the heads of the Russian and Korean covid reseach facilities.

And by what metric do you judge that the Russians are more knowledgeable?

Their brains are more heavily pickled.

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Date: 31/08/2021 19:17:12
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784938
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

I guess a text message counts as a letter in todays world

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Date: 31/08/2021 19:56:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1784955
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Bogsnorkler said:

I guess a text message counts as a letter in todays world


looks more like 200 letters to us

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Date: 31/08/2021 20:09:43
From: Michael V
ID: 1784962
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

Bogsnorkler said:


I guess a text message counts as a letter in todays world


Onya, respondent!

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Date: 31/08/2021 20:12:13
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1784964
Subject: re: COVID 30/8. Letter to an anti-vaxxer.

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I guess a text message counts as a letter in todays world


looks more like 200 letters to us

I’ll take your word count for it.

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