Let’s start a new one with a protest…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/anti-lockdown-protests-rage-around-nsw/100421300

Can someone who knows NSW and has some idea of where is locked down please tell me if these protests are in locked down areas? Or are these people protesting about something that only partly affects them?

buffy said:

Let’s start a new one with a protest…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/anti-lockdown-protests-rage-around-nsw/100421300

Can someone who knows NSW and has some idea of where is locked down please tell me if these protests are in locked down areas? Or are these people protesting about something that only partly affects them?

The whole of NSW is under stay-at-home orders. After they realised COVID had gotten into the Aboriginal population.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/affected-regions

How long do you think it will take to get to peak third wave in Australia? The sooner the better.

A move that only states that are coping would make.

NSW moves to reduce number of international arrivals by half

The New South Wales government is moving to reduce the number of international arrivals it manages in hotel quarantine.

At this stage just over 1,500 people are allowed to fly into Sydney every week from overseas.

However due to the COVID-19 outbreak, New South Wales wants it halved to 750.

The change is expected to take effect next week and is likely to remain in place until the end of October.

Jolly good, throw away the key.

Police arrest Australian-born conspiracy theorist Karen Brewer in Kaikohe and Reignite Democracy Australia leader Monica Smit in Melbourne, in separate incidents

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/two-anti-lockdown-leaders-karen-brewer-monica-smit-arrested-as-protests-held-across-australia-and-new-zealand

The Rev Dodgson’s seat belt analogy seems better.

Was chatting to the sprogs over dinner, a classic seafood linguine, and they suggested that putting the vaccine into a vaping form and you’d have the 14 to 22 year old cohort covered in a week. I was “what, is it popular?” and they were both “derrr”.

The things you learn.

sibeen said:

Was chatting to the sprogs over dinner, a classic seafood linguine, and they suggested that putting the vaccine into a vaping form and you’d have the 14 to 22 year old cohort covered in a week. I was “what, is it popular?” and they were both “derrr”.

The things you learn.

Just goes to show the youth are just as stupid these days as we were when we were youths.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson’s seat belt analogy seems better.

:)

comment in the guardian

>>PotemkinCityLimits

Stringpicker45
5 hours ago

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I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a nonsense. The issue with the Doherty report is that it’s being treated as a gospel and has become a political tool for politicians who wish to cherry-pick the parts they like and ignore the rest. The report models for a very specific set of circumstances: low caseloads with moderate-to-strong TTIQ, along with recommendations for masks, etc.. Neither of those things (caseloads; TTIQ) are as per the model at present (particularly in NSW; but even the caseload in VIC is too high for the model’s optimal success), and so the model at present isn’t applicable.

If politicians wish to hold true to this model, then they need to work towards creating the environment whereby the model can become reality. Instead, they’ve jumped ahead to the conclusion, and that’s what they’re selling us – several months too early, and with too many cases for the model to be relevant. They’re selling hope to lepers; and eventually, the likes of Berejiklian and Morrison will have to explain why the cases and deaths are heading north when the model said X would happen, but instead Y happened. It’s going to be very hard for them to find a way out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves.

Furthermore, there are other models, some which paint more grim pictures. They’re being conveniently ignored…

So for what it’s worth, the Doherty model is fine, as is the Institute. But the model is no longer relevant, and won’t be until such time as it can be tested against the environment it actually models for.

sarahs mum said:

comment in the guardian

>>PotemkinCityLimits

Stringpicker45
5 hours ago

Guardian Pick
0

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a nonsense. The issue with the Doherty report is that it’s being treated as a gospel and has become a political tool for politicians who wish to cherry-pick the parts they like and ignore the rest. The report models for a very specific set of circumstances: low caseloads with moderate-to-strong TTIQ, along with recommendations for masks, etc.. Neither of those things (caseloads; TTIQ) are as per the model at present (particularly in NSW; but even the caseload in VIC is too high for the model’s optimal success), and so the model at present isn’t applicable.

If politicians wish to hold true to this model, then they need to work towards creating the environment whereby the model can become reality. Instead, they’ve jumped ahead to the conclusion, and that’s what they’re selling us – several months too early, and with too many cases for the model to be relevant. They’re selling hope to lepers; and eventually, the likes of Berejiklian and Morrison will have to explain why the cases and deaths are heading north when the model said X would happen, but instead Y happened. It’s going to be very hard for them to find a way out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves.

Furthermore, there are other models, some which paint more grim pictures. They’re being conveniently ignored…

So for what it’s worth, the Doherty model is fine, as is the Institute. But the model is no longer relevant, and won’t be until such time as it can be tested against the environment it actually models for.

Iirc the model requires about 30 cases a day and highly effective contact tracing, it’ll be months before we’re back to that in the gold standard state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/pregnant-woman-with-covid-in-newcastle-icu/100421900

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/pregnant-woman-with-covid-in-newcastle-icu/100421900

preexisting condition, she deserved it, she was going to die anyway

poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

comment in the guardian

>>PotemkinCityLimits

Stringpicker45
5 hours ago

Guardian Pick
0

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a nonsense. The issue with the Doherty report is that it’s being treated as a gospel and has become a political tool for politicians who wish to cherry-pick the parts they like and ignore the rest. The report models for a very specific set of circumstances: low caseloads with moderate-to-strong TTIQ, along with recommendations for masks, etc.. Neither of those things (caseloads; TTIQ) are as per the model at present (particularly in NSW; but even the caseload in VIC is too high for the model’s optimal success), and so the model at present isn’t applicable.

If politicians wish to hold true to this model, then they need to work towards creating the environment whereby the model can become reality. Instead, they’ve jumped ahead to the conclusion, and that’s what they’re selling us – several months too early, and with too many cases for the model to be relevant. They’re selling hope to lepers; and eventually, the likes of Berejiklian and Morrison will have to explain why the cases and deaths are heading north when the model said X would happen, but instead Y happened. It’s going to be very hard for them to find a way out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves.

Furthermore, there are other models, some which paint more grim pictures. They’re being conveniently ignored…

So for what it’s worth, the Doherty model is fine, as is the Institute. But the model is no longer relevant, and won’t be until such time as it can be tested against the environment it actually models for.

Iirc the model requires about 30 cases a day and highly effective contact tracing, it’ll be months before we’re back to that in the gold standard state.

but as this place is well known for, tell us

how many contributors here actually read Doherty report

and overall yes the comment quoted above does seem to touch on important points we are inclined to agree are valid

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/pregnant-woman-with-covid-in-newcastle-icu/100421900

preexisting condition, she deserved it, she was going to die anyway

Besides, she chose to live in a Labor electorate…

Unfortunately that’s just about right. Malta is currently getting significant covid deaths despite being 80% fully vaccinated.

Vaccines can be manufactured that induce herd immunity, but none of the vaccines currently being circulated are of this type.

On the other hand, a 0.1% vaccination level, if the vaccines are given to the right people, is completely effective when combined with border security, as we’ve seen in China. In Australia, the governments are so stupid that we’ve seen a large number of instances where the vaccine has not been given to the right people, the super-spreaders.

Morrison has negotiated a deal with Singapore whereby they will send us 500000 pfizer hits that are going to expire soon. In return we’ll send them 500000 in six months’ time.

mollwollfumble said:

Unfortunately that’s just about right. Malta is currently getting significant covid deaths despite being 80% fully vaccinated.

Vaccines can be manufactured that induce herd immunity, but none of the vaccines currently being circulated are of this type.

On the other hand, a 0.1% vaccination level, if the vaccines are given to the right people, is completely effective when combined with border security, as we’ve seen in China. In Australia, the governments are so stupid that we’ve seen a large number of instances where the vaccine has not been given to the right people, the super-spreaders.

It’s called ‘incentivisation’.

To prompt people to go and get their vaccine. You don’t want to be one of the 30% when the floodgate opens, now do you?

And when did it become 70% anyway? All the earlier talk was about 80%. Lobbyists too impatient to wait for that last 10%, perhaps?

mollwollfumble said:

How long do you think it will take to get to peak third wave in Australia? The sooner the better.

According to the last few press conferences the current NSW strategy relies mostly on positive thinking and magical numbers.

It’s going to be a while.

mollwollfumble said:

Unfortunately that’s just about right. Malta is currently getting significant covid deaths despite being 80% fully vaccinated.

Vaccines can be manufactured that induce herd immunity, but none of the vaccines currently being circulated are of this type.

On the other hand, a 0.1% vaccination level, if the vaccines are given to the right people, is completely effective when combined with border security, as we’ve seen in China. In Australia, the governments are so stupid that we’ve seen a large number of instances where the vaccine has not been given to the right people, the super-spreaders.

>>>>>> In Australia, the governments are so stupid that we’ve seen a large number of instances where the vaccine has not been given to the right people, the super-spreaders.

This requires a reliable method to predict who the super-spreaders are, before they super-spread the virus. Do you know of such a method?

captain_spalding said:

It’s called ‘incentivisation’.

To prompt people to go and get their vaccine. You don’t want to be one of the 30% when the floodgate opens, now do you?

And when did it become 70% anyway? All the earlier talk was about 80%. Lobbyists too impatient to wait for that last 10%, perhaps?

no one is suggesting the ‘flood gates’ are going to be opened at 70%, or even 80%..

Jacki_Chan_wtf.jpg

Victoria to start easing lockdown restrictions even though case numbers are rising.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/victoria-covid-cases-lockdown-melbourne-restrictions/100423686

Dear oh deary me.

https://nnswlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/blog/2021/08/31/covid-19-investigations-in-casino/

Woodie said:

Dear oh deary me.

https://nnswlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/blog/2021/08/31/covid-19-investigations-in-casino/

Bugger.

:(

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Dear oh deary me.

https://nnswlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/blog/2021/08/31/covid-19-investigations-in-casino/

Bugger.

:(

Muli Muli is a fair way from Casino. I wonder whether the carrier visited there, too?

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Dear oh deary me.

https://nnswlhd.health.nsw.gov.au/blog/2021/08/31/covid-19-investigations-in-casino/

Bugger.

:(

Muli Muli is a fair way from Casino. I wonder whether the carrier visited there, too?

“This person is not a resident of Northern NSW Local Health District and is no longer in the area.”. Not to sure what that bit means.

“Northern NSW LHD” stops at the Clarence River. (Tabulam). Muli Muli is in “Hunter New England LHD”. What “no longer in the area” means, I dunno.

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

With any luck, she’ll be first to be refused a ventilator when the covid comes.

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Dead, all of them Holly.?

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Embarrassing for Scotland.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Dead, all of them Holly.?

The landings took place in April 1915.
Assuming the youngest soldier was 17 he would now be 123.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Dead, all of them Holly.?

What. All of them?

Yes. They’re all dead. They’re all…. dead….. Dave.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Embarrassing for Scotland.

Scotland has some bad outbreak stats.

Covid-19 patients with severe symptoms suffer long-lasting cognitive impairments
Even those who had milder symptoms performed worse on brain-function tests

Aug 31st 2021

Daily Chart
Covid-19 patients with severe symptoms suffer long-lasting cognitive impairments
Even those who had milder symptoms performed worse on brain-function tests

AS VACCINATIONS stem the tide of severe covid-19 cases in the rich world, attention is turning to the virus’s after-effects. Many people experience symptoms after recovery, such as fatigue, sometimes forcing changes in work and lifestyle. Among the least understood aspects of “long covid” are problems with memory and concentration, often known as “brain fog”.

A joint Anglo-American research team set out to measure covid-19’s effect on mental ability, publishing their results in the Lancet EClinicalMedicine. They teamed up with the BBC, Britain’s national broadcaster, on the Great British Intelligence Test, an online assessment billed to the public as a way to “test your cognitive strengths”. Some 80,000 people signed up.

Participants completed several activities assessing cognitive function. They were asked to remember lists of numbers or locations on a chessboard to test their recall. A “Tower of Hanoi”-style game, in which stackable blocks are moved from one pin to another, measured planning capacity. Two tasks assessed verbal skills, while a Tetris-style game assessed problem-solving. The ability to manipulate information was tested by matching identical shapes that had been rotated. To prevent bias, questions about the virus, as well as about demographic factors such as age, ethnicity and socioeconomic status, were asked only after the test had ended.

After controlling for factors including age, sex, educational level, first language and income, people who reported having recovered from covid-19 were found to perform worse than those who thought they had never caught it. The more severe the symptoms, the worse they performed. Those who had been put on a ventilator fared poorest of all. The gap between their average performance and that of participants who reported never having had covid-19 was equivalent to seven IQ points. Those who had been put on a ventilator scored lower than people who reported having a learning disability or had previously had a stroke.

People ventilated for different respiratory diseases often face similar cognitive issues. But the performance of those with mild covid-19 symptoms suffered more than would be expected in the event of mild illness. (Additionally, patients who had actually tested positive for covid-19, rather than merely suspecting they had caught it, suffered from greater cognitive impairment; this is probably because some in the latter camp had misdiagnosed a common cold or throat infection.)

Scientists are still unsure how exactly covid-19 is linked to cognitive impairment. One preprint study compared brain scans done before the pandemic with scans of the same patients taken after they had tested positive. The researchers found that regions of the brain associated with memory, taste and smell had shrunk. There are several theories as to the cause. Some studies argue it is the body’s own immune response causing harm. Others show that the virus specifically attacks astrocytes, the brain’s “support cells”. A final camp claims the damage is caused by a lack of oxygen.

It remains unclear how long brain fog takes to clear, or if it does at all. That makes it difficult to estimate the lasting economic and social impact. And it reinforces worries that the health effects of covid-19 will linger long after the pandemic is tamed

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/31/covid-19-patients-with-severe-symptoms-suffer-long-lasting-cognitive-impairments?

“Scientists in South Africa are monitoring a new coronavirus variant with an unusually high mutation rate, and whose frequency has gradually increased in recent months, the National Institute for Communicable Diseases said Monday.”

https://www.sciencealert.com/south-africa-scientists-are-monitoring-a-potential-new-coronavirus-variant

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Just looked her up.

I suppose you shouldn’t judge people by appearances, but still:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Just looked her up.

I suppose you shouldn’t judge people by appearances, but still:

And just a hint of cleavage.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Just looked her up.

I suppose you shouldn’t judge people by appearances, but still:

And just a hint of cleavage.

It’s not her fault she has a dud hairdresser.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews:

“We have thrown everything at this, but it is now clear to us that we here not going to drive these numbers down.

“They’re instead going to increase.

“Now it’s up to us to make sure they don’t increase too fast and they don’t increase too much relative to the number of people who are getting vaccinated every single day every single week.”

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

Now Victoria wants to vaccinate its way out of the COVID problems.

Bummer.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/covid-19-lockdown-nsw-sydney-melbourne-vaccine/100420698

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

McKeith is a Scottish television personality and I have some dreadful news for her which is that all the Anzacs are dead.

Just looked her up.

I suppose you shouldn’t judge people by appearances, but still:

I bet she has more than one cat.

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/doherty-institute-modelling-report-for-national-cabinet

have me a listen and read, see if the modelling included the probable effect that vaccinated people (fully or partially) potentially carry and transmit the virus with impunity, shades of, are likely to get less scrutiny (that lends to testing and more), and that the general idea of being ‘immune’ or vaccination (even availability) lends to similar

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/what-is-the-mu-variant-covid-delta-who/100424026

reading that cheers

Stop it Gladys!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/queensland-new-exposure-sites-truck-driver-nsw/100422324

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/contact-tracing

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-school-scared-risk-health-quit-job

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

Peak Warming Man said:

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

So it is a race.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

With 10 times fewer daily cases, Dan will not be following the example of Gladys, but striving to achieve far better than the NSW disaster.

Peak Warming Man said:

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

Pity NSW infected Vic in the first place.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

Pity NSW infected Vic in the first place.

Yes, so far the other states Qld WA Tas and SA are keeping it at bay, long may that continue but I’d really like to go up to the Redoubt in the not too distant future.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

Pity NSW infected Vic in the first place.

Yes, so far the other states Qld WA Tas and SA are keeping it at bay, long may that continue but I’d really like to go up to the Redoubt in the not too distant future.

Do your cattle need checking?

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Pity NSW infected Vic in the first place.

Yes, so far the other states Qld WA Tas and SA are keeping it at bay, long may that continue but I’d really like to go up to the Redoubt in the not too distant future.

Do your cattle need checking?

None on there at the moment but even if there were I’d still have to do home quarantine for two weeks.
It’s the rule now even if you’ve got a pass.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes, so far the other states Qld WA Tas and SA are keeping it at bay, long may that continue but I’d really like to go up to the Redoubt in the not too distant future.

Do your cattle need checking?

None on there at the moment but even if there were I’d still have to do home quarantine for two weeks.
It’s the rule now even if you’ve got a pass.

It will all still be there next year.

Bugger.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yes, so far the other states Qld WA Tas and SA are keeping it at bay, long may that continue but I’d really like to go up to the Redoubt in the not too distant future.

Do your cattle need checking?

None on there at the moment but even if there were I’d still have to do home quarantine for two weeks.
It’s the rule now even if you’ve got a pass.

I couldn’t find the fine detail of our rules here, although I did know that previously we were allowed to go and get firewood outside our 5km radius etc. So today we decided to take the slasher up anyway because we really do have to do some fuel reduction/fire danger mitigation work at this time of year if we want to protect the shed even a little bit for the Summer. I cleared a bit more bracken off the fenceline, and around the shed, and Mr buffy ran the Razorback around some of the access tracks. In case we were stopped on the way back we did throw a few bits of wood into the trailer. And I carried a copy of the rates notice for the block, where it is categorized as primary industry. Going over we didn’t go into any towns, although coming back we called at the supermarket for some meat for tea. No border crossing involved, so no quarantine involved for us.

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Do your cattle need checking?

None on there at the moment but even if there were I’d still have to do home quarantine for two weeks.
It’s the rule now even if you’ve got a pass.

I couldn’t find the fine detail of our rules here, although I did know that previously we were allowed to go and get firewood outside our 5km radius etc. So today we decided to take the slasher up anyway because we really do have to do some fuel reduction/fire danger mitigation work at this time of year if we want to protect the shed even a little bit for the Summer. I cleared a bit more bracken off the fenceline, and around the shed, and Mr buffy ran the Razorback around some of the access tracks. In case we were stopped on the way back we did throw a few bits of wood into the trailer. And I carried a copy of the rates notice for the block, where it is categorized as primary industry. Going over we didn’t go into any towns, although coming back we called at the supermarket for some meat for tea. No border crossing involved, so no quarantine involved for us.

The census lady dropped in to pick up the form today. No sign of a mask. She said she had 80 houses to visit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/western-covid-case-numbers/100424222

Feds should have had this sort of thing going from the start. Mobile caravan setups visiting small towns and going around the suburbs. My dentist and I had this discussion last week.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/01/australian-pharmacists-report-rise-in-customers-refusing-to-say-what-ivermectin-prescription-is-for

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/01/australian-pharmacists-report-rise-in-customers-refusing-to-say-what-ivermectin-prescription-is-for

HTF are they getting a prescription?

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/01/australian-pharmacists-report-rise-in-customers-refusing-to-say-what-ivermectin-prescription-is-for

HTF are they getting a prescription?

Internal parasites.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/01/australian-pharmacists-report-rise-in-customers-refusing-to-say-what-ivermectin-prescription-is-for

HTF are they getting a prescription?

Internal parasites.

and this has been ascertained by a test?

Might go and get a curried prawns and rice for tea, the Pelicans Nest use good aussie prawns.

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

HTF are they getting a prescription?

Internal parasites.

and this has been ascertained by a test?

The itchy bum test!

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

HTF are they getting a prescription?

Internal parasites.

and this has been ascertained by a test?

FIIK. Ask them.

I gather nobody really knows how much covid there is in NSW, it’s been uncountable for some time, imagine that progression

joy of zero is you can count it

Australia has one of the highest daily vaccination rates per capita in the world.

At the top of the leader board is (7 day smoothed) is Ecuador then New Zealand at 1.65% of population per day.
Then Venezuela, Brunei, Korea, Sri Lanka, Cuba, Noirway, Cambodia, El Salvador, Malaysia
Then Australia at 12th in the world with 1.06% of the population per day.

12th for vaccination speed out of 195 or so countries is prtetty darn good.
We ousted Japan recently, Japan used to be ahead of Australia in vaccination speed but has dropped back to 14th in the world.

https://theconversation.com/theres-no-need-to-panic-about-the-new-c-1-2-variant-found-in-south-africa-according-to-a-virologist-167105

Bogsnorkler said:

https://theconversation.com/theres-no-need-to-panic-about-the-new-c-1-2-variant-found-in-south-africa-according-to-a-virologist-167105

> C.1.2 is distinct from but on a genetic branch near the Lambda variant, which is common in Peru.

Oh shit.

The Peru variant has the highest Covid mortality rate in the world.

It that get’s out then we’re all in deep doo-doos.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Aug 31st 2021

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Covid-19 patients with severe symptoms suffer long-lasting cognitive impairments
Even those who had milder symptoms performed worse on brain-function tests

AS VACCINATIONS stem the tide of severe covid-19 cases in the rich world, attention is turning to the virus’s after-effects. Many people experience symptoms after recovery, such as fatigue, sometimes forcing changes in work and lifestyle. Among the least understood aspects of “long covid” are problems with memory and concentration, often known as “brain fog”.

A joint Anglo-American research team set out to measure covid-19’s effect on mental ability, publishing their results in the Lancet EClinicalMedicine. They teamed up with the BBC, Britain’s national broadcaster, on the Great British Intelligence Test, an online assessment billed to the public as a way to “test your cognitive strengths”. Some 80,000 people signed up.

Participants completed several activities assessing cognitive function. They were asked to remember lists of numbers or locations on a chessboard to test their recall. A “Tower of Hanoi”-style game, in which stackable blocks are moved from one pin to another, measured planning capacity. Two tasks assessed verbal skills, while a Tetris-style game assessed problem-solving. The ability to manipulate information was tested by matching identical shapes that had been rotated. To prevent bias, questions about the virus, as well as about demographic factors such as age, ethnicity and socioeconomic status, were asked only after the test had ended.

After controlling for factors including age, sex, educational level, first language and income, people who reported having recovered from covid-19 were found to perform worse than those who thought they had never caught it. The more severe the symptoms, the worse they performed. Those who had been put on a ventilator fared poorest of all. The gap between their average performance and that of participants who reported never having had covid-19 was equivalent to seven IQ points. Those who had been put on a ventilator scored lower than people who reported having a learning disability or had previously had a stroke.

People ventilated for different respiratory diseases often face similar cognitive issues. But the performance of those with mild covid-19 symptoms suffered more than would be expected in the event of mild illness. (Additionally, patients who had actually tested positive for covid-19, rather than merely suspecting they had caught it, suffered from greater cognitive impairment; this is probably because some in the latter camp had misdiagnosed a common cold or throat infection.)

Scientists are still unsure how exactly covid-19 is linked to cognitive impairment. One preprint study compared brain scans done before the pandemic with scans of the same patients taken after they had tested positive. The researchers found that regions of the brain associated with memory, taste and smell had shrunk. There are several theories as to the cause. Some studies argue it is the body’s own immune response causing harm. Others show that the virus specifically attacks astrocytes, the brain’s “support cells”. A final camp claims the damage is caused by a lack of oxygen.

It remains unclear how long brain fog takes to clear, or if it does at all. That makes it difficult to estimate the lasting economic and social impact. And it reinforces worries that the health effects of covid-19 will linger long after the pandemic is tamed

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/31/covid-19-patients-with-severe-symptoms-suffer-long-lasting-cognitive-impairments ?

wait so does everyone agree now that death is merely the most visible part of the COVID-19 iceberg and that despite this the psychopathic right wing governments all over the world are intent on ramming iceberg at full pace

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews:

“We have thrown everything at this, but it is now clear to us that we here not going to drive these numbers down.

“They’re instead going to increase.

“Now it’s up to us to make sure they don’t increase too fast and they don’t increase too much relative to the number of people who are getting vaccinated every single day every single week.”

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Now Victoria wants to vaccinate its way out of the COVID problems.

Bummer.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-01/covid-19-lockdown-nsw-sydney-melbourne-vaccine/100420698

Dan to follow Gladys’ advice.

“Authorities had expressed optimism about the outbreak’s stability at the start of the week, but Mr Andrews said since then, a deterioration had led to changed public health advice.
The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.”

So it is a race.

Pity NSW infected Vic in the first place.

Well actually…

• vaccinate its way out of the COVID problems. Bummer.

Vaccination is entirely a viable part of most strategies (from “Let It Rip™ at least only 500000 people die instead of 5000000” through to eradication).

• The Premier said the state could no longer “hold out hope” that case numbers would fall and must instead focus on suppressing the outbreak’s growth while racing to reach higher vaccination coverage.

As someone mentioned, holding it to lower cases to begin with will mean easier return to 0 when coverage is greater.

transition said:

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/doherty-institute-modelling-report-for-national-cabinet

have me a listen and read, see if the modelling included the probable effect that vaccinated people (fully or partially) potentially carry and transmit the virus with impunity, shades of, are likely to get less scrutiny (that lends to testing and more), and that the general idea of being ‘immune’ or vaccination (even availability) lends to similar

Our question still stands, did anyone else here read it¿

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/01/australian-pharmacists-report-rise-in-customers-refusing-to-say-what-ivermectin-prescription-is-for

HTF are they getting a prescription?

Internal parasites.

and this has been ascertained by a test?

FIIK. Ask them.

Look at it this way, Scott Atlas is a doctor, Rand Paul is a doctor, Andrew Laming is a doctor …

…

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Aug 31st 2021

Covid-19 patients with severe symptoms suffer long-lasting cognitive impairments
Even those who had milder symptoms performed worse on brain-function tests

Participants completed several activities assessing cognitive function. They were asked to remember lists of numbers or locations on a chessboard to test their recall. A “Tower of Hanoi”-style game, in which stackable blocks are moved from one pin to another, measured planning capacity. Two tasks assessed verbal skills, while a Tetris-style game assessed problem-solving. The ability to manipulate information was tested by matching identical shapes that had been rotated. To prevent bias, questions about the virus, as well as about demographic factors such as age, ethnicity and socioeconomic status, were asked only after the test had ended.

After controlling for factors including age, sex, educational level, first language and income, people who reported having recovered from covid-19 were found to perform worse than those who thought they had never caught it. The more severe the symptoms, the worse they performed. Those who had been put on a ventilator fared poorest of all. The gap between their average performance and that of participants who reported never having had covid-19 was equivalent to seven IQ points. Those who had been put on a ventilator scored lower than people who reported having a learning disability or had previously had a stroke.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/31/covid-19-patients-with-severe-symptoms-suffer-long-lasting-cognitive-impairments ?

wait so does everyone agree now that death is merely the most visible part of the COVID-19 iceberg and that despite this the psychopathic right wing governments all over the world are intent on ramming iceberg at full pace

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/31/covid-could-cause-significant-rise-in-dementia-cases-alzheimers-group.html

• The ongoing Covid-19 pandemic could cause a significant rise in the number of dementia patients in the long term, said the Alzheimer’s Disease International.
• Some research has shown that Covid infections can increase a person’s likelihood of developing dementia and cause dementia symptoms to show up earlier, the group said.

Alarmist Bullshit.

LLLet It RRRip™¡¡¡

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Premier Gladys Berejiklian warned hospitals would feel the full brunt of the rising case numbers in October when more pressure would be placed on intensive care units.

“We will we need to manage things differently,” Ms Berejiklian said.

“We’re in the middle of a pandemic, of course, but will we cope? Of course, we will.”

—

it’s called triage oh yes

read that and a few others, the good work of my favorite broadcaster, seeding the dominoes of covid liberation

Triage in the modern hospital system involves prioritising treatment.
Triage in the COVID era involves deciding who is going to die.

Unfortunately, voters aren’t likely to remember who’s to blame for it when the time comes.

And Labor, especially in NSW, is unlikely to give them any reason to remember.

but honestly, we’re sure that even in “normal” times the choosing and prioritising happens (or you’d have nearly infinite numbers of patients who “might recover” just sitting on ventilators all century), which means that

the health system is always going to be “coping” with whatever is happening, because it will always be delivering whatever it is able to deliver, and what it can’t deliver will be an active choice to prioritise something else

deaths are just numbers so unless someone out there can tell us what number of deaths is “not coping” then we can continue coping

Either He’s Gone Senile Or This Communist Infiltrated The Corruption Coalition Big Time

kryten said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Internal parasites.

and this has been ascertained by a test?

The itchy bum test!

Remember When Right Wing Social Media Went Stratospheric Over Proposed Rectal Swabs For COVID-19

is it possible to break up a 1 genius protest

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/new-zealand-police-break-up-one-person-anti-lockdown-protest-in-auckland

SCIENCE said:

is it possible to break up a 1 genius protest

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/27/new-zealand-police-break-up-one-person-anti-lockdown-protest-in-auckland

How does one conduct and advertise a 1 person protest?

I can think of heaps of things that I want to protest about.

SCIENCE said:

Either He’s Gone Senile Or This Communist Infiltrated The Corruption Coalition Big Time

Wont anybody think of the money.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/doherty-institute-modelling-report-for-national-cabinet

have me a listen and read, see if the modelling included the probable effect that vaccinated people (fully or partially) potentially carry and transmit the virus with impunity, shades of, are likely to get less scrutiny (that lends to testing and more), and that the general idea of being ‘immune’ or vaccination (even availability) lends to similar

Our question still stands, did anyone else here read it¿

https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_and_Addendum_20210810.pdf
reading^

it might take a while

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/doherty-institute-modelling-report-for-national-cabinet

have me a listen and read, see if the modelling included the probable effect that vaccinated people (fully or partially) potentially carry and transmit the virus with impunity, shades of, are likely to get less scrutiny (that lends to testing and more), and that the general idea of being ‘immune’ or vaccination (even availability) lends to similar

Our question still stands, did anyone else here read it¿

https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_and_Addendum_20210810.pdf
reading^

it might take a while

to other things, get back to that later, it does have me wondering about if I wrote something up to roll out the contagion, deliver it back to nature, what it would read like

Warning over fake COVID ‘cures’

NSW health authorities have issued a warning after a COVID-positive person turned up at a Western Sydney hospital ill after overdosing on an anti-parasitic medication and other supposed COVID-19 “cures” ordered online.

Western Sydney Local Health District said a person with COVID-19 presented to Westmead Hospital’s emergency department vomiting and with diarrhoea.

The symptoms weren’t as a result of the virus, but from an overdose of the drug Ivermectin and other medications sold online as “COVID cures”.

Hospital toxicologist Naren Gunja said Ivermectin was an anti-parasitic medication mainly used for farm animals.

He said the person was lucky not to have developed severe toxicity.

“There’s no evidence to support the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19,” he said.

“Don’t look for magic cures online, and don’t rely on what’s being peddled on the internet, because none of them work.”

He said others had also turned up at the hospital recently needing treatment after taking a range of dangerous substances to treat COVID-19 including disinfectants, bleach and alcohols.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Michael V said:

Warning over fake COVID ‘cures’

NSW health authorities have issued a warning after a COVID-positive person turned up at a Western Sydney hospital ill after overdosing on an anti-parasitic medication and other supposed COVID-19 “cures” ordered online.

Western Sydney Local Health District said a person with COVID-19 presented to Westmead Hospital’s emergency department vomiting and with diarrhoea.

The symptoms weren’t as a result of the virus, but from an overdose of the drug Ivermectin and other medications sold online as “COVID cures”.

Hospital toxicologist Naren Gunja said Ivermectin was an anti-parasitic medication mainly used for farm animals.

He said the person was lucky not to have developed severe toxicity.

“There’s no evidence to support the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19,” he said.

“Don’t look for magic cures online, and don’t rely on what’s being peddled on the internet, because none of them work.”

He said others had also turned up at the hospital recently needing treatment after taking a range of dangerous substances to treat COVID-19 including disinfectants, bleach and alcohols.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

“toxicologist Naren Gunja”.

:)

There is evidence that states that the doses required to get a result from ivermectin with covid are way in excess of toxic to humans levels.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/qld-records-one-new-case-covid-19/100427728

NSWuhan NSWakhan, Exporting Terror To The World

NSW records 1,288 new COVID-19 cases and seven more deaths

Victoria records 176 COVID-19 cases as state races to vaccinate its way out of lockdown

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/qld-records-one-new-case-covid-19/100427728

NSWuhan NSWakhan, Exporting Terror To The World

NSW records 1,288 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday

>>Dr Chant says “clearly the advice is that within six weeks of an infection you’re unlikely to be re-infected with Delta”.

She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.<<

From the ABC live updates: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Anyone got any idea where this comes from? Why would immunity derived from infection be less effective than immunity from vaccination? I don’t think the Delta version has been around long enough to really know whether immunity to it is long term or not. I haven’t looked particularly hard, but the bits of research I’ve seen reported suggest immunity after infection (or at least antibodies in the blood) lasts months and months, possibly years. (Although again, it’s a bit early at 18 months since ground zero to know much about the long term)

buffy said:

>>Dr Chant says “clearly the advice is that within six weeks of an infection you’re unlikely to be re-infected with Delta”.

She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.<<

From the ABC live updates: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Anyone got any idea where this comes from? Why would immunity derived from infection be less effective than immunity from vaccination? I don’t think the Delta version has been around long enough to really know whether immunity to it is long term or not. I haven’t looked particularly hard, but the bits of research I’ve seen reported suggest immunity after infection (or at least antibodies in the blood) lasts months and months, possibly years. (Although again, it’s a bit early at 18 months since ground zero to know much about the long term)

I read somewhere in the last few days that the opposite was case. The immunity derived from infection was higher; I just cannot remember where i saw this.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

>>Dr Chant says “clearly the advice is that within six weeks of an infection you’re unlikely to be re-infected with Delta”.

She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.<<

From the ABC live updates: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Anyone got any idea where this comes from? Why would immunity derived from infection be less effective than immunity from vaccination? I don’t think the Delta version has been around long enough to really know whether immunity to it is long term or not. I haven’t looked particularly hard, but the bits of research I’ve seen reported suggest immunity after infection (or at least antibodies in the blood) lasts months and months, possibly years. (Although again, it’s a bit early at 18 months since ground zero to know much about the long term)

I read somewhere in the last few days that the opposite was case. The immunity derived from infection was higher; I just cannot remember where i saw this.

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

sibeen said:

buffy said:

>>Dr Chant says “clearly the advice is that within six weeks of an infection you’re unlikely to be re-infected with Delta”.

She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.<<

From the ABC live updates: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Anyone got any idea where this comes from? Why would immunity derived from infection be less effective than immunity from vaccination? I don’t think the Delta version has been around long enough to really know whether immunity to it is long term or not. I haven’t looked particularly hard, but the bits of research I’ve seen reported suggest immunity after infection (or at least antibodies in the blood) lasts months and months, possibly years. (Although again, it’s a bit early at 18 months since ground zero to know much about the long term)

I read somewhere in the last few days that the opposite was case. The immunity derived from infection was higher; I just cannot remember where i saw this.

+1, I saw this somewhere too

buffy said:

>>Dr Chant says “clearly the advice is that within six weeks of an infection you’re unlikely to be re-infected with Delta”.

She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.<<

From the ABC live updates: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Anyone got any idea where this comes from? Why would immunity derived from infection be less effective than immunity from vaccination? I don’t think the Delta version has been around long enough to really know whether immunity to it is long term or not. I haven’t looked particularly hard, but the bits of research I’ve seen reported suggest immunity after infection (or at least antibodies in the blood) lasts months and months, possibly years. (Although again, it’s a bit early at 18 months since ground zero to know much about the long term)

maybe of the statistical comparison, of the two groups, they adjusted for people that died (and those that became seriously ill and lived), factored those things in, I mean people that stop living have a fairly obvious cessation and absence of immunity, a complete loss of homeostasis, followed by a smell if you don’t get them in the fridge soon enough

perhaps they added those people that attended the funeral also, who knows when you get information about a contagion from anyone in the contagion business, it could be creative license by the broadcaster, I couldn’t say

transition said:

buffy said:

>>Dr Chant says “clearly the advice is that within six weeks of an infection you’re unlikely to be re-infected with Delta”.

She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.<<

From the ABC live updates: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/covid-blog-thursday-september-2-australia-vaccines/100423760

Anyone got any idea where this comes from? Why would immunity derived from infection be less effective than immunity from vaccination? I don’t think the Delta version has been around long enough to really know whether immunity to it is long term or not. I haven’t looked particularly hard, but the bits of research I’ve seen reported suggest immunity after infection (or at least antibodies in the blood) lasts months and months, possibly years. (Although again, it’s a bit early at 18 months since ground zero to know much about the long term)

maybe of the statistical comparison, of the two groups, they adjusted for people that died (and those that became seriously ill and lived), factored those things in, I mean people that stop living have a fairly obvious cessation and absence of immunity, a complete loss of homeostasis, followed by a smell if you don’t get them in the fridge soon enough

perhaps they added those people that attended the funeral also, who knows when you get information about a contagion from anyone in the contagion business, it could be creative license by the broadcaster, I couldn’t say

Either way, if you do have antibodies still persisting wouldn’t subsequent infections be less severe and create antibodies?

Recent news about Ivermectin reminded me to check where the research is up to.

Cochrane Review:

“Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials. “

More detail at: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

And, on the duration of immunity thing, here is the WHO report. It’s due for review about now, but this was May this year.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity-2021.1

From there:

Within 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies.

• The strength and duration of the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 are not completely understood and currently available data suggests that it varies by age and the severity of symptoms. Available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection (the longest follow up with strong scientific evidence is currently approximately 8 months).

• Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein. The ability of emerging virus variants (variants of interest and variants of concern) to evade immune responses is under investigation by researchers around the world.

• There are many available serologic assays that measure the antibody response to SARS-CoV-2 infection, but at the present time, the correlates of protection are not well understood.

buffy said:

And, on the duration of immunity thing, here is the WHO report. It’s due for review about now, but this was May this year.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity-2021.1

From there:

Within 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies.

• The strength and duration of the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 are not completely understood and currently available data suggests that it varies by age and the severity of symptoms. Available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection (the longest follow up with strong scientific evidence is currently approximately 8 months).

• Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein. The ability of emerging virus variants (variants of interest and variants of concern) to evade immune responses is under investigation by researchers around the world.

• There are many available serologic assays that measure the antibody response to SARS-CoV-2 infection, but at the present time, the correlates of protection are not well understood.

Well it is a neo or new virus.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

And, on the duration of immunity thing, here is the WHO report. It’s due for review about now, but this was May this year.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity-2021.1

From there:

Within 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies.

• The strength and duration of the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 are not completely understood and currently available data suggests that it varies by age and the severity of symptoms. Available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection (the longest follow up with strong scientific evidence is currently approximately 8 months).

• Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein. The ability of emerging virus variants (variants of interest and variants of concern) to evade immune responses is under investigation by researchers around the world.

• There are many available serologic assays that measure the antibody response to SARS-CoV-2 infection, but at the present time, the correlates of protection are not well understood.

Well it is a neo or new virus.

Not sure how that is relevent. We were earlier discussing a statement by Kerry Chant that

“She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.

and wondering how this could possibly be known. I call shenanigans on that statement.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

And, on the duration of immunity thing, here is the WHO report. It’s due for review about now, but this was May this year.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity-2021.1

From there:

Within 4 weeks following infection, 90-99% of individuals infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus develop detectable neutralizing antibodies.

• The strength and duration of the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 are not completely understood and currently available data suggests that it varies by age and the severity of symptoms. Available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months after infection (the longest follow up with strong scientific evidence is currently approximately 8 months).

• Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein. The ability of emerging virus variants (variants of interest and variants of concern) to evade immune responses is under investigation by researchers around the world.

• There are many available serologic assays that measure the antibody response to SARS-CoV-2 infection, but at the present time, the correlates of protection are not well understood.

Well it is a neo or new virus.

Not sure how that is relevent. We were earlier discussing a statement by Kerry Chant that

“She says however, that “natural immunity to Delta or any virus is less effective than a vaccine in terms of long-term immunity”.

and wondering how this could possibly be known. I call shenanigans on that statement.

Fair.

Communist.

SCIENCE said:

Communist.

👍

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Communist.

👍

In the last 6 years only one of those had over a 1000 deaths due to the flu. There were 1181 in 2017. For comparison 2016 had 273 deaths.

In Other News, Authorities Slow Automobiles Down From Their Efficiency Points Ostensibly To Improve Air Quality, Despite Failing To Control An Airborne Pandemic

https://www.breezyscroll.com/lifestyle/climate-change-solution-paris-limits-car-speed-to-30-kph/

The French authorities hope that the city of Paris will witness a safer, less dirty, and quieter environment as the new speed limit for drivers comes into effect. “This is not an anti-car measure,” said David Belliard, the deputy Mayor.

“The city wants to encourage walking, cycling, and use of public transport. The new speed limit should help reduce pollution, noise, and the number of serious accidents,” he added.

SCIENCE said:

see some idiocy in there, has no fucken idea how inevitability lends to ideology, is a device of ideology

consider the conceptual poverty in failing to see that WA might rather have covid inevitably later than sooner, even postpone the inevitability into non-existence

dickheads in the contagion business, as if covid is their friend

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Communist.

👍

In the last 6 years only one of those had over a 1000 deaths due to the flu. There were 1181 in 2017. For comparison 2016 had 273 deaths.

Yeah we have some elderly relatives who also have preexisting medical conditions so we wouldn’t really like them to be part of either statistic.

But even if NSW kills 4 per day as it has, and not 7 per day like today, that’s 1460 per year…

At least they were just the ones going to die anyway.

Has this been posted?

https://mona.net.au/blog/2021/09/traffic-lights?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=september2021_mona_general_traffic-lights&ctm_audience=general

TRAFFIC LIGHTS
David Walsh | Posted on September 2, 2021

Memo from David Walsh to staff, about vaccination at Mona, 2 September 2021

A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity.
—Alexander Solzhenitsyn

What happens when we want to undertake a journey, but a government-mandated intervention delays it, because, they say, it serves the greater good? Is that an infringement on our rights?

I’m talking about traffic lights. Today, while taking the kids to school, I had to wait for a total of six minutes while cars went somewhere else. Of course I could have ignored those dastardly traffic lights, but ignoring them, potentially, has consequences. I might get in trouble with the very authorities that I’m resisting. Is running those lights a legitimate protest? Perhaps I should protest by making things worse (I could stand in the middle of the intersection, at great risk to myself to enhance the risk to others—that’d work). I might kill myself. But I’ve got a fancy car that’ll protect me. Perhaps I should run those lights, window down, arm out, middle finger extended. But if I run those lights, others might suffer. Most times, though, I’ll get through unscathed, and cause no diminishment to others. Am I feeling lucky, punk? And anyway, aren’t we a bunch of self-interested, greed-is-good, motherfucking capitalists? Why should I look after others?

But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else. If traffic lights are a part of a global conspiracy to turn us all into pawns of the government, or Bill Gates, or 5G, then I’m a government tool. Or just a tool. And so is everybody else.

I’m going to make vaccination mandatory for staff at Mona. If that makes you see red (lights) despite the previous three paragraphs let me, briefly, talk about the nature of risk. Some types of risk are additive (every time you take a bath, there’s a small chance it’ll kill you: but there is no chance it’ll kill anyone else). When you go to work unvaccinated there’s a small chance you’ll get COVID and an even smaller chance you’ll die. But each time you take that risk there is a small chance you’ll kill someone else (it’s multiplicative). That’s not okay. In a perfect world the vaccine would never kill you (a very small risk, but additive, like a bath), and it’d protect you and others completely. It doesn’t give perfect protection. Sometimes traffic lights fail. But we don’t turn them off. That’d kill more people. We keep them on, because mostly, inefficiently and grudgingly, we serve the greater good.

We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated, and if necessary we’ll help you make an appointment.

We used to have co-leaders who could cruise through amber. One has gone to greener pastures (congrats). Patrick will now be our CEO solo. Ably assisted by Liz and Philippa and hundreds of others… you, if you get vaccinated. Patrick has proved he is very wise—these days, he always stops at red lights.

I wrote the above for the staff of Mona. But Emily, who mediates between me and the media, wanted to release it to everyone. ‘Transparency, and anyway, there’ll be leaks, and that’ll cause confusion.’ So I’m telling everyone that’s interested. At Mona we’ll be mandating COVID vaccinations for staff. Most of Mona’s staff are exposed to the public (although, at the moment, we don’t really have a public). Most people who visit Mona are nice, friendly, and respectful. But there’s a small chance that each of them is a reservoir for that beastly COVID virus. I’d like to mandate vaccines for the public, too, but that’d be unfair to, for example, kids. We like kids at Mona. And we like risk at Mona. But we like our staff more.

A few staff might think we are trampling on their rights, but the one right they think we are restricting doesn’t exist. Our staff don’t have the right to trample on the rights of their colleagues. Yes, it’s harsh to deprive someone of their livelihood for the good of others. And it’s harsh to deprive someone of their licence for running red lights. Harsh, but necessary.

SCIENCE said:

Good questions.

Dark Orange said:

Has this been posted?

https://mona.net.au/blog/2021/09/traffic-lights?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=september2021_mona_general_traffic-lights&ctm_audience=general

TRAFFIC LIGHTS
David Walsh | Posted on September 2, 2021

Memo from David Walsh to staff, about vaccination at Mona, 2 September 2021

A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity.
—Alexander Solzhenitsyn

What happens when we want to undertake a journey, but a government-mandated intervention delays it, because, they say, it serves the greater good? Is that an infringement on our rights?

I’m talking about traffic lights. Today, while taking the kids to school, I had to wait for a total of six minutes while cars went somewhere else. Of course I could have ignored those dastardly traffic lights, but ignoring them, potentially, has consequences. I might get in trouble with the very authorities that I’m resisting. Is running those lights a legitimate protest? Perhaps I should protest by making things worse (I could stand in the middle of the intersection, at great risk to myself to enhance the risk to others—that’d work). I might kill myself. But I’ve got a fancy car that’ll protect me. Perhaps I should run those lights, window down, arm out, middle finger extended. But if I run those lights, others might suffer. Most times, though, I’ll get through unscathed, and cause no diminishment to others. Am I feeling lucky, punk? And anyway, aren’t we a bunch of self-interested, greed-is-good, motherfucking capitalists? Why should I look after others?

But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else. If traffic lights are a part of a global conspiracy to turn us all into pawns of the government, or Bill Gates, or 5G, then I’m a government tool. Or just a tool. And so is everybody else.

I’m going to make vaccination mandatory for staff at Mona. If that makes you see red (lights) despite the previous three paragraphs let me, briefly, talk about the nature of risk. Some types of risk are additive (every time you take a bath, there’s a small chance it’ll kill you: but there is no chance it’ll kill anyone else). When you go to work unvaccinated there’s a small chance you’ll get COVID and an even smaller chance you’ll die. But each time you take that risk there is a small chance you’ll kill someone else (it’s multiplicative). That’s not okay. In a perfect world the vaccine would never kill you (a very small risk, but additive, like a bath), and it’d protect you and others completely. It doesn’t give perfect protection. Sometimes traffic lights fail. But we don’t turn them off. That’d kill more people. We keep them on, because mostly, inefficiently and grudgingly, we serve the greater good.

We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated, and if necessary we’ll help you make an appointment.

We used to have co-leaders who could cruise through amber. One has gone to greener pastures (congrats). Patrick will now be our CEO solo. Ably assisted by Liz and Philippa and hundreds of others… you, if you get vaccinated. Patrick has proved he is very wise—these days, he always stops at red lights.

I wrote the above for the staff of Mona. But Emily, who mediates between me and the media, wanted to release it to everyone. ‘Transparency, and anyway, there’ll be leaks, and that’ll cause confusion.’ So I’m telling everyone that’s interested. At Mona we’ll be mandating COVID vaccinations for staff. Most of Mona’s staff are exposed to the public (although, at the moment, we don’t really have a public). Most people who visit Mona are nice, friendly, and respectful. But there’s a small chance that each of them is a reservoir for that beastly COVID virus. I’d like to mandate vaccines for the public, too, but that’d be unfair to, for example, kids. We like kids at Mona. And we like risk at Mona. But we like our staff more.

A few staff might think we are trampling on their rights, but the one right they think we are restricting doesn’t exist. Our staff don’t have the right to trample on the rights of their colleagues. Yes, it’s harsh to deprive someone of their livelihood for the good of others. And it’s harsh to deprive someone of their licence for running red lights. Harsh, but necessary.

Nicely put, Mr Walsh.

:)

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Has this been posted?

https://mona.net.au/blog/2021/09/traffic-lights?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=september2021_mona_general_traffic-lights&ctm_audience=general

TRAFFIC LIGHTS
David Walsh | Posted on September 2, 2021

Memo from David Walsh to staff, about vaccination at Mona, 2 September 2021

A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity.
—Alexander Solzhenitsyn

What happens when we want to undertake a journey, but a government-mandated intervention delays it, because, they say, it serves the greater good? Is that an infringement on our rights?

I’m talking about traffic lights. Today, while taking the kids to school, I had to wait for a total of six minutes while cars went somewhere else. Of course I could have ignored those dastardly traffic lights, but ignoring them, potentially, has consequences. I might get in trouble with the very authorities that I’m resisting. Is running those lights a legitimate protest? Perhaps I should protest by making things worse (I could stand in the middle of the intersection, at great risk to myself to enhance the risk to others—that’d work). I might kill myself. But I’ve got a fancy car that’ll protect me. Perhaps I should run those lights, window down, arm out, middle finger extended. But if I run those lights, others might suffer. Most times, though, I’ll get through unscathed, and cause no diminishment to others. Am I feeling lucky, punk? And anyway, aren’t we a bunch of self-interested, greed-is-good, motherfucking capitalists? Why should I look after others?

But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else. If traffic lights are a part of a global conspiracy to turn us all into pawns of the government, or Bill Gates, or 5G, then I’m a government tool. Or just a tool. And so is everybody else.

I’m going to make vaccination mandatory for staff at Mona. If that makes you see red (lights) despite the previous three paragraphs let me, briefly, talk about the nature of risk. Some types of risk are additive (every time you take a bath, there’s a small chance it’ll kill you: but there is no chance it’ll kill anyone else). When you go to work unvaccinated there’s a small chance you’ll get COVID and an even smaller chance you’ll die. But each time you take that risk there is a small chance you’ll kill someone else (it’s multiplicative). That’s not okay. In a perfect world the vaccine would never kill you (a very small risk, but additive, like a bath), and it’d protect you and others completely. It doesn’t give perfect protection. Sometimes traffic lights fail. But we don’t turn them off. That’d kill more people. We keep them on, because mostly, inefficiently and grudgingly, we serve the greater good.

We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated, and if necessary we’ll help you make an appointment.

We used to have co-leaders who could cruise through amber. One has gone to greener pastures (congrats). Patrick will now be our CEO solo. Ably assisted by Liz and Philippa and hundreds of others… you, if you get vaccinated. Patrick has proved he is very wise—these days, he always stops at red lights.

I wrote the above for the staff of Mona. But Emily, who mediates between me and the media, wanted to release it to everyone. ‘Transparency, and anyway, there’ll be leaks, and that’ll cause confusion.’ So I’m telling everyone that’s interested. At Mona we’ll be mandating COVID vaccinations for staff. Most of Mona’s staff are exposed to the public (although, at the moment, we don’t really have a public). Most people who visit Mona are nice, friendly, and respectful. But there’s a small chance that each of them is a reservoir for that beastly COVID virus. I’d like to mandate vaccines for the public, too, but that’d be unfair to, for example, kids. We like kids at Mona. And we like risk at Mona. But we like our staff more.

A few staff might think we are trampling on their rights, but the one right they think we are restricting doesn’t exist. Our staff don’t have the right to trample on the rights of their colleagues. Yes, it’s harsh to deprive someone of their livelihood for the good of others. And it’s harsh to deprive someone of their licence for running red lights. Harsh, but necessary.

Nicely put, Mr Walsh.

:)

✅

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Communist.

👍

In the last 6 years only one of those had over a 1000 deaths due to the flu. There were 1181 in 2017. For comparison 2016 had 273 deaths.

annastacia is talking daily and monthly

the commonwealth (subject to a questionable international influence) is trying to forge ‘an agreement’ with States, with the assistance of NSW cough, and citizens regard acceptable death totals and death rates, the proposition probably has no legal enforceability because it involves release of a biological hazard (with observed unfriendly mutation potentials), and i’m not even sure the modelling reflects existing realities, or how they would pan out if ‘the plan’ was adopted, or more broadly adopted

just my opinion

Dark Orange said:

Has this been posted?

https://mona.net.au/blog/2021/09/traffic-lights?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=september2021_mona_general_traffic-lights&ctm_audience=general

TRAFFIC LIGHTS
David Walsh | Posted on September 2, 2021

Memo from David Walsh to staff, about vaccination at Mona, 2 September 2021

A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity.
—Alexander Solzhenitsyn

What happens when we want to undertake a journey, but a government-mandated intervention delays it, because, they say, it serves the greater good? Is that an infringement on our rights?

I’m talking about traffic lights. Today, while taking the kids to school, I had to wait for a total of six minutes while cars went somewhere else. Of course I could have ignored those dastardly traffic lights, but ignoring them, potentially, has consequences. I might get in trouble with the very authorities that I’m resisting. Is running those lights a legitimate protest? Perhaps I should protest by making things worse (I could stand in the middle of the intersection, at great risk to myself to enhance the risk to others—that’d work). I might kill myself. But I’ve got a fancy car that’ll protect me. Perhaps I should run those lights, window down, arm out, middle finger extended. But if I run those lights, others might suffer. Most times, though, I’ll get through unscathed, and cause no diminishment to others. Am I feeling lucky, punk? And anyway, aren’t we a bunch of self-interested, greed-is-good, motherfucking capitalists? Why should I look after others?

But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else. If traffic lights are a part of a global conspiracy to turn us all into pawns of the government, or Bill Gates, or 5G, then I’m a government tool. Or just a tool. And so is everybody else.

I’m going to make vaccination mandatory for staff at Mona. If that makes you see red (lights) despite the previous three paragraphs let me, briefly, talk about the nature of risk. Some types of risk are additive (every time you take a bath, there’s a small chance it’ll kill you: but there is no chance it’ll kill anyone else). When you go to work unvaccinated there’s a small chance you’ll get COVID and an even smaller chance you’ll die. But each time you take that risk there is a small chance you’ll kill someone else (it’s multiplicative). That’s not okay. In a perfect world the vaccine would never kill you (a very small risk, but additive, like a bath), and it’d protect you and others completely. It doesn’t give perfect protection. Sometimes traffic lights fail. But we don’t turn them off. That’d kill more people. We keep them on, because mostly, inefficiently and grudgingly, we serve the greater good.

We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated, and if necessary we’ll help you make an appointment.

We used to have co-leaders who could cruise through amber. One has gone to greener pastures (congrats). Patrick will now be our CEO solo. Ably assisted by Liz and Philippa and hundreds of others… you, if you get vaccinated. Patrick has proved he is very wise—these days, he always stops at red lights.

I wrote the above for the staff of Mona. But Emily, who mediates between me and the media, wanted to release it to everyone. ‘Transparency, and anyway, there’ll be leaks, and that’ll cause confusion.’ So I’m telling everyone that’s interested. At Mona we’ll be mandating COVID vaccinations for staff. Most of Mona’s staff are exposed to the public (although, at the moment, we don’t really have a public). Most people who visit Mona are nice, friendly, and respectful. But there’s a small chance that each of them is a reservoir for that beastly COVID virus. I’d like to mandate vaccines for the public, too, but that’d be unfair to, for example, kids. We like kids at Mona. And we like risk at Mona. But we like our staff more.

A few staff might think we are trampling on their rights, but the one right they think we are restricting doesn’t exist. Our staff don’t have the right to trample on the rights of their colleagues. Yes, it’s harsh to deprive someone of their livelihood for the good of others. And it’s harsh to deprive someone of their licence for running red lights. Harsh, but necessary.

Thanks. Good rant.

pinpointed by health authorities.

A couple who travelled to Western Sydney and returned to the Central West in early August are believed to have been the region’s first cases.

The Western NSW Local Health District (LHD) said the pair came home a week before the Dubbo and Walgett local government areas were placed into lockdown.

“We do believe we’ve picked up the originating case,” LHD chief executive Scott McLachlan said.

“We believe we’ve tracked that down to a location in Western Sydney that has the same strain of COVID-19, and the biological markers.”

Fragments of the virus had been detected in Dubbo’s sewage before the first case had been identified.

Mr McLachlan said lessons could be drawn from the “spreader” event, but now was not the time to “focus on the rear vision mirror”.

“We’re closer to that original strain but what we now know is there’s so much broad spread of this Delta strain across all of our communities,” Mr McLachlan said.

“It’s not so much about where it came from — it’s about what’s happening today.”

On Thursday the region recorded 23 new cases of COVID-19, nine of which were infectious in the community.

Drug hunt fuels breaches, cops say

The search for drugs has been identified as one possible reason for the spread of the virus in Western NSW.

Police say they have stopped known drug users who do not have a valid excuse to be away from home or who are travelling between towns across the Central West.

The Western Region Commander, Assistant Commissioner Geoff McKechnie said those people were breaching health orders whether or not they had COVID.

“People are driven by their addiction the commercial aspects of it, and their desire to make money by selling drugs,” Assistant Commissioner McKechnie said.

“It still drives that whole industry, so having these health orders in place is not going to totally stamp that out.”

Nonetheless, Assistant Commissioner McKechnie said the lockdown would have disrupted the drug trade.

“I’d be quietly confident that it’s restricted and we saw that in the first round of COVID last year,” he said.

“There certainly was evidence of prices of drugs increasing because of availability, so I think that’s certainly likely that supply has been restricted.”

More than 100 infringement notices have been issued every day this week by police across the Western region, with the majority in Dubbo.

roughbarked said:

pinpointed by health authorities.

A couple who travelled to Western Sydney and returned to the Central West in early August are believed to have been the region’s first cases.

The Western NSW Local Health District (LHD) said the pair came home a week before the Dubbo and Walgett local government areas were placed into lockdown.

“We do believe we’ve picked up the originating case,” LHD chief executive Scott McLachlan said.

“We believe we’ve tracked that down to a location in Western Sydney that has the same strain of COVID-19, and the biological markers.”

Fragments of the virus had been detected in Dubbo’s sewage before the first case had been identified.

Mr McLachlan said lessons could be drawn from the “spreader” event, but now was not the time to “focus on the rear vision mirror”.

“We’re closer to that original strain but what we now know is there’s so much broad spread of this Delta strain across all of our communities,” Mr McLachlan said.

“It’s not so much about where it came from — it’s about what’s happening today.”

On Thursday the region recorded 23 new cases of COVID-19, nine of which were infectious in the community.

Drug hunt fuels breaches, cops say

The search for drugs has been identified as one possible reason for the spread of the virus in Western NSW.

Police say they have stopped known drug users who do not have a valid excuse to be away from home or who are travelling between towns across the Central West.

The Western Region Commander, Assistant Commissioner Geoff McKechnie said those people were breaching health orders whether or not they had COVID.

“People are driven by their addiction the commercial aspects of it, and their desire to make money by selling drugs,” Assistant Commissioner McKechnie said.

“It still drives that whole industry, so having these health orders in place is not going to totally stamp that out.”

Nonetheless, Assistant Commissioner McKechnie said the lockdown would have disrupted the drug trade.

“I’d be quietly confident that it’s restricted and we saw that in the first round of COVID last year,” he said.

“There certainly was evidence of prices of drugs increasing because of availability, so I think that’s certainly likely that supply has been restricted.”

More than 100 infringement notices have been issued every day this week by police across the Western region, with the majority in Dubbo.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/western-nsw-covid-outbreak-source-revealed/100427996

Michael V said:

Dark Orange said:

Has this been posted?

https://mona.net.au/blog/2021/09/traffic-lights?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=september2021_mona_general_traffic-lights&ctm_audience=general

TRAFFIC LIGHTS
David Walsh | Posted on September 2, 2021

Memo from David Walsh to staff, about vaccination at Mona, 2 September 2021

A society with unlimited rights is incapable of standing to adversity.
—Alexander Solzhenitsyn

What happens when we want to undertake a journey, but a government-mandated intervention delays it, because, they say, it serves the greater good? Is that an infringement on our rights?

I’m talking about traffic lights. Today, while taking the kids to school, I had to wait for a total of six minutes while cars went somewhere else. Of course I could have ignored those dastardly traffic lights, but ignoring them, potentially, has consequences. I might get in trouble with the very authorities that I’m resisting. Is running those lights a legitimate protest? Perhaps I should protest by making things worse (I could stand in the middle of the intersection, at great risk to myself to enhance the risk to others—that’d work). I might kill myself. But I’ve got a fancy car that’ll protect me. Perhaps I should run those lights, window down, arm out, middle finger extended. But if I run those lights, others might suffer. Most times, though, I’ll get through unscathed, and cause no diminishment to others. Am I feeling lucky, punk? And anyway, aren’t we a bunch of self-interested, greed-is-good, motherfucking capitalists? Why should I look after others?

But I stopped at the red lights. So did everybody else. If traffic lights are a part of a global conspiracy to turn us all into pawns of the government, or Bill Gates, or 5G, then I’m a government tool. Or just a tool. And so is everybody else.

I’m going to make vaccination mandatory for staff at Mona. If that makes you see red (lights) despite the previous three paragraphs let me, briefly, talk about the nature of risk. Some types of risk are additive (every time you take a bath, there’s a small chance it’ll kill you: but there is no chance it’ll kill anyone else). When you go to work unvaccinated there’s a small chance you’ll get COVID and an even smaller chance you’ll die. But each time you take that risk there is a small chance you’ll kill someone else (it’s multiplicative). That’s not okay. In a perfect world the vaccine would never kill you (a very small risk, but additive, like a bath), and it’d protect you and others completely. It doesn’t give perfect protection. Sometimes traffic lights fail. But we don’t turn them off. That’d kill more people. We keep them on, because mostly, inefficiently and grudgingly, we serve the greater good.

We’ll give you a decent interval to get vaccinated, and if necessary we’ll help you make an appointment.

We used to have co-leaders who could cruise through amber. One has gone to greener pastures (congrats). Patrick will now be our CEO solo. Ably assisted by Liz and Philippa and hundreds of others… you, if you get vaccinated. Patrick has proved he is very wise—these days, he always stops at red lights.

I wrote the above for the staff of Mona. But Emily, who mediates between me and the media, wanted to release it to everyone. ‘Transparency, and anyway, there’ll be leaks, and that’ll cause confusion.’ So I’m telling everyone that’s interested. At Mona we’ll be mandating COVID vaccinations for staff. Most of Mona’s staff are exposed to the public (although, at the moment, we don’t really have a public). Most people who visit Mona are nice, friendly, and respectful. But there’s a small chance that each of them is a reservoir for that beastly COVID virus. I’d like to mandate vaccines for the public, too, but that’d be unfair to, for example, kids. We like kids at Mona. And we like risk at Mona. But we like our staff more.

A few staff might think we are trampling on their rights, but the one right they think we are restricting doesn’t exist. Our staff don’t have the right to trample on the rights of their colleagues. Yes, it’s harsh to deprive someone of their livelihood for the good of others. And it’s harsh to deprive someone of their licence for running red lights. Harsh, but necessary.

Nicely put, Mr Walsh.

:)

he’s all about gambling. Buut he is all about winning.

dv said:

Having my second Astra on the 23rd of this month.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Having my second Astra on the 23rd of this month.

I’m in next Wednesday for the second one. Longer time between is supposed to mean better action.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Having my second Astra on the 23rd of this month.

Quite the age range getting AZ at the moment IME.

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Having my second Astra on the 23rd of this month.

Quite the age range getting AZ at the moment IME.

so under 12 year olds protected yet

The Personality Cult Deepens

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/letters-prime-minister-scott-morrison-covid-vaccine-astrazeneca/100428564

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

Having my second Astra on the 23rd of this month.

Quite the age range getting AZ at the moment IME.

so under 12 year olds protected yet

Don’t be silly. Of course not!

And….Sweden has dropped another slot to number 40 on the chart according to deaths per million. They have now been running at practically zero deaths per day for a couple of months. I didn’t expect Liechtenstein to overtake them yet. Next in line is Latvia and then South Africa.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

buffy said:

And….Sweden has dropped another slot to number 40 on the chart according to deaths per million. They have now been running at practically zero deaths per day for a couple of months. I didn’t expect Liechtenstein to overtake them yet. Next in line is Latvia and then South Africa.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

They’ve really turned it around since they changed tack.

dv said:

buffy said:

And….Sweden has dropped another slot to number 40 on the chart according to deaths per million. They have now been running at practically zero deaths per day for a couple of months. I didn’t expect Liechtenstein to overtake them yet. Next in line is Latvia and then South Africa.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

They’ve really turned it around since they changed tack.

How changed tack? They now let people come in from other countries, with conditions. Is that what you mean?

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

And….Sweden has dropped another slot to number 40 on the chart according to deaths per million. They have now been running at practically zero deaths per day for a couple of months. I didn’t expect Liechtenstein to overtake them yet. Next in line is Latvia and then South Africa.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

They’ve really turned it around since they changed tack.

How changed tack? They now let people come in from other countries, with conditions. Is that what you mean?

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

This is interesting.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95699-9#Sec6

Comparing the responses of the UK, Sweden and Denmark to COVID-19 using counterfactual modelling

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

They’ve really turned it around since they changed tack.

How changed tack? They now let people come in from other countries, with conditions. Is that what you mean?

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

How changed tack? They now let people come in from other countries, with conditions. Is that what you mean?

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

If you kill all your elderly early on, you’re in luck, they can only die once.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

dv said:

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

If you kill all your elderly early on, you’re in luck, they can only die once.

the elderly will be replaced soon enough

One grim milestone I missed was Australia ticking over to four digits in the deathcount.
Still, doing pretty well overall.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

How changed tack? They now let people come in from other countries, with conditions. Is that what you mean?

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

Their initial policy was one of mostly voluntary lockdown measures which meant a higher death rate than other Nordic countries. They then as DV said changed tack to a more stricter regime with a corresponding fall in deaths. That they have not had further waves of deaths since does not mean that their initial policy of high death rates and significant economic damage was somehow admirable.

dv said:

One grim milestone I missed was Australia ticking over to four digits in the deathcount.
Still, doing pretty well overall.

I get the feeling that we ain’t seen nothing yet.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

dv said:

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

Their initial policy was one of mostly voluntary lockdown measures which meant a higher death rate than other Nordic countries. They then as DV said changed tack to a more stricter regime with a corresponding fall in deaths. That they have not had further waves of deaths since does not mean that their initial policy of high death rates and significant economic damage was somehow admirable.

no case

Who wants a job?

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

dv said:

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

If you kill all your elderly early on, you’re in luck, they can only die once.

You have to do it with the original version (Melbourne) because if you wait for Delta, it isn’t so efficacious (Sydney)

(Only a bit tic)

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

dv said:

I mean since they tightened their restrictions earlier in the year. It marked the start of bringing down the death rate.

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

Their initial policy was one of mostly voluntary lockdown measures which meant a higher death rate than other Nordic countries. They then as DV said changed tack to a more stricter regime with a corresponding fall in deaths. That they have not had further waves of deaths since does not mean that their initial policy of high death rates and significant economic damage was somehow admirable.

There are some differences from other Nordic countries in terms of urbanization, which is relevent as well. And they didn’t change things until after the first wave. Back at the beginning, no-one knew this thing went for the elderly. Unfortunately for them, it does, and it got loose in the nursing homes. I think this happened in the UK as well.

There is a lot of hindsight going on. You need to try to remember that the state of knowledge has changed over time. Remember masks, as an example. You can’t easily judge decisions made on a much much smaller knowledge base on the basis of what we know now. It’s not easy for anyone, it seems such a long time now.

buffy said:

Back at the beginning, no-one knew this thing went for the elderly.

There is a lot of hindsight going on.

Remember masks, as an example.

Laugh Out Loud

Only The ANCIENTS ASIANS Knew

They Must Have Invented It

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

One grim milestone I missed was Australia ticking over to four digits in the deathcount.
Still, doing pretty well overall.

I get the feeling that we ain’t seen nothing yet.

If the Doherty Institute modelling is right, we are looking at something like 2000 a year if we do things right. We probably need to be realistic about this.

Of course this also means maybe 30000 a year who live on with lasting illness of disability. Surviving Covid ain’t always a picnic.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

One grim milestone I missed was Australia ticking over to four digits in the deathcount.
Still, doing pretty well overall.

I get the feeling that we ain’t seen nothing yet.

If the Doherty Institute modelling is right, we are looking at something like 2000 a year if we do things right. We probably need to be realistic about this.

Of course this also means maybe 30000 a year who live on with lasting illness of disability. Surviving Covid ain’t always a picnic.

They arent going to follow the modelling.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Back at the beginning, no-one knew this thing went for the elderly.

There is a lot of hindsight going on.

Remember masks, as an example.

Laugh Out Loud

Only The ANCIENTS ASIANS Knew

They Must Have Invented It

Asia covers an area over 44.58 million km², so yes, lots of people knew about them.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

I get the feeling that we ain’t seen nothing yet.

If the Doherty Institute modelling is right, we are looking at something like 2000 a year if we do things right. We probably need to be realistic about this.

Of course this also means maybe 30000 a year who live on with lasting illness of disability. Surviving Covid ain’t always a picnic.

They arent going to follow the modelling.

Shrug if they had gotten it to zero then we could be partying like it’s 1999 year without worrying or restricting except quarantine shrug.

OK, found the stuff about Sweden making new laws. They were passed in January this year. Prior to that their Constitution made it difficult to enforce lockdowns.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

Did they actually use the new laws? This DW article only says they had passed them.

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

If the Doherty Institute modelling is right, we are looking at something like 2000 a year if we do things right. We probably need to be realistic about this.

Of course this also means maybe 30000 a year who live on with lasting illness of disability. Surviving Covid ain’t always a picnic.

They arent going to follow the modelling.

Shrug if they had gotten it to zero then we could be partying like it’s 1999 year without worrying or restricting except quarantine shrug.

And there you have it…quarantine.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

What did they change? They seem to have been opening up for quite some time.

Their initial policy was one of mostly voluntary lockdown measures which meant a higher death rate than other Nordic countries. They then as DV said changed tack to a more stricter regime with a corresponding fall in deaths. That they have not had further waves of deaths since does not mean that their initial policy of high death rates and significant economic damage was somehow admirable.

There are some differences from other Nordic countries in terms of urbanization, which is relevent as well. And they didn’t change things until after the first wave. Back at the beginning, no-one knew this thing went for the elderly. Unfortunately for them, it does, and it got loose in the nursing homes. I think this happened in the UK as well.

There is a lot of hindsight going on. You need to try to remember that the state of knowledge has changed over time. Remember masks, as an example. You can’t easily judge decisions made on a much much smaller knowledge base on the basis of what we know now. It’s not easy for anyone, it seems such a long time now.

The Swedes were an outlier from the very beginning when it came to most countries’ policy response.

buffy said:

OK, found the stuff about Sweden making new laws. They were passed in January this year. Prior to that their Constitution made it difficult to enforce lockdowns.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-swedens-new-covid-lockdown-law-takes-effect/a-56185101

Did they actually use the new laws? This DW article only says they had passed them.

Apparently the answer to that is “sort of”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-legislation-idUSKBN29D1BR

You will like this one, Witty.

https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-despite-variants-no-lockdowns-no-daily-covid-deaths/

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/30/inside-pfizer-labs-variant-hunters-race-to-stay-ahead-of-pandemic-2/

buffy said:

You will like this one, Witty.

https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-despite-variants-no-lockdowns-no-daily-covid-deaths/

Michael Fumento is a lawyer, author, and journalist who has been writing on epidemic hysterias for 35 years.

…

Enough said.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

You will like this one, Witty.

https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-despite-variants-no-lockdowns-no-daily-covid-deaths/

Michael Fumento is a lawyer, author, and journalist who has been writing on epidemic hysterias for 35 years.

…

Enough said.

:)

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

They arent going to follow the modelling.

Shrug if they had gotten it to zero then we could be partying like it’s 1999 year without worrying or restricting except quarantine shrug.

And there you have it…quarantine.

something Australia is completely unfamiliar with

fine, call it immigration detention then

fuck it

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

You will like this one, Witty.

https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-despite-variants-no-lockdowns-no-daily-covid-deaths/

Michael Fumento is a lawyer, author, and journalist who has been writing on epidemic hysterias for 35 years.

…

Enough said.

:)

Oh, and….they aren’t Communists!

;)

buffy said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael Fumento is a lawyer, author, and journalist who has been writing on epidemic hysterias for 35 years.

…

Enough said.

:)

Oh, and….they aren’t Communists!

;)

AIER, that is.

Founded in 1933, the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) is one of the oldest and most respected nonpartisan economic research and advocacy organizations in the country. With a global reach and influence, AIER is dedicated to developing and promoting the ideas of pure freedom and private governance by combining advanced economic research with accessible media outreach and educational programming to cultivate a better, broader understanding of the fundamental principles that enable peace and prosperity around the world.

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

:)

Oh, and….they aren’t Communists!

;)

AIER, that is.

Founded in 1933, the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) is one of the oldest and most respected nonpartisan economic research and advocacy organizations in the country. With a global reach and influence, AIER is dedicated to developing and promoting the ideas of pure freedom and private governance by combining advanced economic research with accessible media outreach and educational programming to cultivate a better, broader understanding of the fundamental principles that enable peace and prosperity around the world.

Well they would say that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Institute_for_Economic_Research

Unorthodox views on climate change and the pandemic: They’d probably accept you as a member.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Oh, and….they aren’t Communists!

;)

AIER, that is.

Founded in 1933, the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) is one of the oldest and most respected nonpartisan economic research and advocacy organizations in the country. With a global reach and influence, AIER is dedicated to developing and promoting the ideas of pure freedom and private governance by combining advanced economic research with accessible media outreach and educational programming to cultivate a better, broader understanding of the fundamental principles that enable peace and prosperity around the world.

Well they would say that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Institute_for_Economic_Research

Unorthodox views on climate change and the pandemic: They’d probably accept you as a member.

LOL, “the great barrington declaration.

poikilotherm said:

Who wants a job?

I don’t have the required skills…

“nonpartisan”

Laugh Out Lud

+o

—

nah we’re perfect, we have Roentgenium Gutless Binchicken Standard, it’s a perfect R = 1 that’s f’sure

Question for you Wise Ones here.

In this triage scheme, who should the doctors prioritise for intensive care¿

• 25 year old caught COVID-19 unvaccinated by choice (offered all available vaccine options but declined)

or

• 65 year old vaccinated but caught COVID-19 anyway (say from hospital or from grandchildren they live with and who go to school)
• if that’s not far out enough make it 75 year old then, “preexisting conditions”, whatever

(and who will they actually prioritise)

SCIENCE said:

+o

—

nah we’re perfect, we have Roentgenium Gutless Binchicken Standard, it’s a perfect R = 1 that’s f’sure

But seriously, who listens to and trusts these “experts” who claim to be doctors anyway, what the fuck would they know¿

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

dv said:

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

However, the article does state the following key point:

Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

However, the article does state the following key point:

Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.

…and upon re-reading, I can see that was a poorly presented key point.

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

However, the article does state the following key point:

Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.

I know, and that’s terrible. That’s just going to mislead the audience. Why not take five seconds to look up the relevant statistic and include that?

dv said:

I know, and that’s terrible. That’s just going to mislead the audience. Why not take five seconds to look up the relevant statistic and include that?

As mentioned here on previous occasions, it’s a tenet of modern journalism that facts should not be allowed to detract from a good story.

dv said:

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

However, the article does state the following key point:

Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.

I know, and that’s terrible. That’s just going to mislead the audience. Why not take five seconds to look up the relevant statistic and include that?

maybe they didn’t think of it?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/welcome-to-my-nightmare-one-gp-s-adventures-with-anti-vaxxers-and-their-infodemic-20210902-p58o2g.html

So… a bloke on another forum heads up an ICU in a major capital city must have gotten on the sauce last night and posted this:

Oh we are seriously fucked.

Many signs the system is already heaving.

It is currently taking us about 24 hours to get a swab result back. We only have 36 rapid swabs to last us 3 months – we are literally slap bang in the middle of COVID central.

We had a death right at the start of the week. This has gone unreported in all the pressers. Family at that stage had refused to be tested and not following quarantining requirements. We know through other means that DHHS has not followed up. They’re out there living their best lives almost certainly spreading it.

Most telling was the DCHO refusing to answer a question when interviewed by the ABC last night about whether the contact tracing was overwhelmed.

It is clear Old Mate was counting on a zero covid strategy because we seem completely unprepared for what looks to be a much worse wave than last year.

ABC News:

‘Queensland records no new COVID-19 cases
Queensland records zero new cases of COVID-19, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk announces.’

Scomo and SadGlad keep telling Anastacia that the Qld measures just won’t work, but, in rude and inconsiderate defiance of that, they do.

Oh, the arrival of and spread of Delta in Qld is inevitable, no arguments.

But i think that what the Qld govt is trying to do is just buy as much time as they can. For Qld to get its immunised numbers up, for NSW and Vic to get their immunised numbers up, maybe for the wave to peak and begin to decline and the number of carriers and spreaders in and from those States to also begin to decline, all with the aim of minimising the impact on Qld.

Just because someone tells you that you can’t save your house from the bushfire doesn’t mean that you should drop the hose and run into the middle of it.

dv said:

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

Context? What is context?

buffy said:

dv said:

Saw this article making a big deal of the fact that 78% of peope hispitalised with Covid in the US were obese or overweight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

Which looks like an astounding stat until you look uo that 73% of American adults are obese or overweight.

It’s kind of weird that the article doesn’t include this number, which is crucial to contextualising the news.

Context? What is context?

A predictive-text mistake when you were going to write ‘contest’.

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

And further…when I’m driving sometimes my mind wanders (when NewsRadio goes to sport, for instance). So…Sweden again. Because as an experiment, they are interesting. With the soft measures last year because of their Constitution, and I don’t think they closed primary schools, would this mean that their younger folk possibly/probably developed levels of immunity by running low to no symptom infections through that part of the population? They have fairly high vaccination levels now too:

Sweden
Doses given 12.7M
Fully vaccinated 5.79M
% of population fully vaccinated 56.6%

(Ref: ourworldindata)

So all in all, there should be quite high levels of immunity in the Swedish population by now.

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

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sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

yay for them!

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

dv said:

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

And when has Gladys ever been wrong about a Covid-related matter?

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

yay for them!

One of those deaths was a woman who died at home the day after she tested positive. It was mentioned she was unvaccinated, but being in her 30s, she’d apparently only been eligable for vaccinated for a week.

dv said:

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

That’s coz we’ll all be dead and nobody left to catch it. 😮

dv said:

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

If she can foretell the future like that, why the hell hasn’t she been telling us in advance before?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

If she can foretell the future like that, why the hell hasn’t she been telling us in advance before?

Anyone can foretell the future.

The hard part is ensuring that your foretellings are the things that actually happen.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

NSW breaks COVID-19 infection records with 1,431 new cases and 12 deaths

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

If she can foretell the future like that, why the hell hasn’t she been telling us in advance before?

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

If she can foretell the future like that, why the hell hasn’t she been telling us in advance before?

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

Dan had to do that. For weeks and weeks and weeks. Then he slipped down some stairs and had some months off…now he gets to do it all over again.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Queensland records no new COVID-19 cases
Queensland records zero new cases of COVID-19, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk announces.’

Scomo and SadGlad keep telling Anastacia that the Qld measures just won’t work, but, in rude and inconsiderate defiance of that, they do.

Oh, the arrival of and spread of Delta in Qld is inevitable, no arguments.

But i think that what the Qld govt is trying to do is just buy as much time as they can. For Qld to get its immunised numbers up, for NSW and Vic to get their immunised numbers up, maybe for the wave to peak and begin to decline and the number of carriers and spreaders in and from those States to also begin to decline, all with the aim of minimising the impact on Qld.

Just because someone tells you that you can’t save your house from the bushfire doesn’t mean that you should drop the hose and run into the middle of it.

the language and notion of inevitability is like a black hole, a conceptual implosion device delivered to psychological primitives so that they might be inclined to share the beauty of it, and it very successfully vanishes the working imaginations of those it inhabits, leaves them with no soul, even inspires terrorism to make certain the inevitable is really inevitable

has a recursion about it, a non-specificity of what it will likely be applied, it floats around looking for things to settle in, to do its good work

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Bjelkean is saying that next week will see the peak.

If she can foretell the future like that, why the hell hasn’t she been telling us in advance before?

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

…and then going home at night knowing your playing politics has directly caused dozens of deaths.

party_pants said:

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

I am just so effing angry with Gladys.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

I am just so effing angry with Gladys.

This will be her legacy – the Premier who fucked it all up.

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

I am just so effing angry with Gladys.

This will be her legacy – the Premier who fucked it all up.

what about all those for whom she made their graves, so they should just go and lie in them

My concern:

Doherty Inst model suggests that opening at 70-80% will result in 2000 to 3000 deaths per year. ie about 38 to 58 deaths per week nationwide. If NSW had a proportional share, that’s about 13 to 19 deaths per week in NSW.

Currently NSW is at 40% ie there are about a two thirds reduction in the numbar of not fully vaxed people as they move to 80%. NSW has incurred 38 deaths in the last week. If we assume the “opportunity to die “ also decreases by 2/3 then I suppose that means about 13 deaths a week which is right in line with the DohInsMod… except that the NSW is already on lockdown.

So I’m hoping that the plan is just to blast through 80% and try to get to 98 or 99% or something.

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Queensland records no new COVID-19 cases
Queensland records zero new cases of COVID-19, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk announces.’

Scomo and SadGlad keep telling Anastacia that the Qld measures just won’t work, but, in rude and inconsiderate defiance of that, they do.

Oh, the arrival of and spread of Delta in Qld is inevitable, no arguments.

But i think that what the Qld govt is trying to do is just buy as much time as they can. For Qld to get its immunised numbers up, for NSW and Vic to get their immunised numbers up, maybe for the wave to peak and begin to decline and the number of carriers and spreaders in and from those States to also begin to decline, all with the aim of minimising the impact on Qld.

Just because someone tells you that you can’t save your house from the bushfire doesn’t mean that you should drop the hose and run into the middle of it.

the language and notion of inevitability is like a black hole, a conceptual implosion device delivered to psychological primitives so that they might be inclined to share the beauty of it, and it very successfully vanishes the working imaginations of those it inhabits, leaves them with no soul, even inspires terrorism to make certain the inevitable is really inevitable

has a recursion about it, a non-specificity of what it will likely be applied, it floats around looking for things to settle in, to do its good work

Imagine doctors working for better health and saving lives.

When asked what level of death she would be comfortable with, Dr Young replied: “I’m a doctor, none.” “Come on, can you please remember who I am? I stand up here every day but ultimately, I went into medicine to save lives, I’m not comfortable with any deaths that are preventable,” she said.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

Yes.

Strange thing is though, that overall the economy is not quite so hard hit by the lockdowns and travel restrictions as much as some people were expecting. It has not been an economic disaster. So the case against locking down is not quite so strong.

dv said:

My concern:

Doherty Inst model suggests that opening at 70-80% will result in 2000 to 3000 deaths per year. ie about 38 to 58 deaths per week nationwide. If NSW had a proportional share, that’s about 13 to 19 deaths per week in NSW.

Currently NSW is at 40% ie there are about a two thirds reduction in the numbar of not fully vaxed people as they move to 80%. NSW has incurred 38 deaths in the last week. If we assume the “opportunity to die “ also decreases by 2/3 then I suppose that means about 13 deaths a week which is right in line with the DohInsMod… except that the NSW is already on lockdown.

So I’m hoping that the plan is just to blast through 80% and try to get to 98 or 99% or something.

Also already being on lockdown aside, is that model for when starting from a near-zero-COVID number of cases ¿

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

Yes.

Strange thing is though, that overall the economy is not quite so hard hit by the lockdowns and travel restrictions as much as some people were expecting. It has not been an economic disaster. So the case against locking down is not quite so strong.

Well yes because travel from external sources is generally like only 10% of economic turnover. Yet bizarrely the alarmist case against lockdown seems as loud if not louder than ever.

I just wanna see my kids

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

I just wanna see my kids

But Gutless Binchicken is happily appeasing both sides by not actually making any big reopening moves while telling everyone that the reopening moves are happening as we speak.

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

What about senile or juvenile people who don’t know what it means to want to be vaccinated¿

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

And no vaccination card will get you to the back of the line for triage or a ventilator.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

What about senile or juvenile people who don’t know what it means to want to be vaccinated¿

They have a guardian or parent that can make that decision for them.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

What about senile or juvenile people who don’t know what it means to want to be vaccinated¿

And those people who want the other brand that will be here soon and has been will be here soon for the past 8 months ¿

Dark Orange said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

And no vaccination card will get you to the back of the line for triage or a ventilator.

So do we agree it’s reasonable to wait until approval and delivery of vaccines for ages down to 2 years ¿

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

I agree.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think the government should be setting targets like 70% or 80% before lifting restrictions. I think it should be a case of everyone that wants to be vaccinated has had their two doses. When that happens we can lift restrictions, and teh remaining voluntarily unvaccinated can take their chances.

What about senile or juvenile people who don’t know what it means to want to be vaccinated¿

And those people who want the other brand that will be here soon and has been will be here soon for the past 8 months ¿

I can’t remember ever being aware of the brand of my vaccination before this. You get whatever fluvax is going. Same with tetanus etc etc.

“South Australian health authorities say they are stunned a person booked a COVID-19 vaccination appointment 40 times, blocking dozens of other people from receiving a dose.

It comes as regional health officials renew calls for people to turn up to vaccine appointments following a string of people not attending their allocated booking time.”

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Why-oh-why-oh-why?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/booking-vaccine-appointment-40-times-blocks-others/100431168

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

What about senile or juvenile people who don’t know what it means to want to be vaccinated¿

And those people who want the other brand that will be here soon and has been will be here soon for the past 8 months ¿

I can’t remember ever being aware of the brand of my vaccination before this. You get whatever fluvax is going. Same with tetanus etc etc.

Hey we’re not suggesting it’s right to compare (though unlike many other medical products, it is not the case that the active ingredients are very similar), we’re specifically asking whether it’s acceptable to hold off threatening unvaccinated people with exposure, if they’re still waiting for access to a brand of product that was claim-offered long ago but not deliver-offered as yet.

Michael V said:

“South Australian health authorities say they are stunned a person booked a COVID-19 vaccination appointment 40 times, blocking dozens of other people from receiving a dose.

It comes as regional health officials renew calls for people to turn up to vaccine appointments following a string of people not attending their allocated booking time.”

———————————————————————

Why-oh-why-oh-why?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/booking-vaccine-appointment-40-times-blocks-others/100431168

Is This Not A Rhetorical Question ¿

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“South Australian health authorities say they are stunned a person booked a COVID-19 vaccination appointment 40 times, blocking dozens of other people from receiving a dose.

It comes as regional health officials renew calls for people to turn up to vaccine appointments following a string of people not attending their allocated booking time.”

———————————————————————

Why-oh-why-oh-why?

———————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/booking-vaccine-appointment-40-times-blocks-others/100431168

Is This Not A Rhetorical Question ¿

I am expressing exasperation at, and lack of understanding of, some people’s actions.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think there is an element of wishful thinking in that. Must be a tough gig fronting up each day to announce a new record number of cases, beating the mark set the previous day.

She listened to the health experts, but acted on what the business lobbyists and Liberal party wise guys told her.

She made her bed, and she can damn well lie in in it.

I am just so effing angry with Gladys.

you can be sure it’s costing much much more than staying with a committed elimination objective, and way more inconvenient, this will all continue way beyond christmas, way way beyond, mainly because of the deceptions employed is my personal view

the rot started with a plan to release a biological hazard back to nature, and calling it opening up

The Bin-chicken hasn’t told us how many people are in ICU, nor the numbers on ventilators. And she talks “But we’re also going through both the exciting but challenging time of opening up.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/nsw-records-1431-new-covid-19-cases-12-deaths/100431182

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“South Australian health authorities say they are stunned a person booked a COVID-19 vaccination appointment 40 times, blocking dozens of other people from receiving a dose.

It comes as regional health officials renew calls for people to turn up to vaccine appointments following a string of people not attending their allocated booking time.”

———————————————————————

Why-oh-why-oh-why?

———————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/booking-vaccine-appointment-40-times-blocks-others/100431168

Is This Not A Rhetorical Question ¿

I am expressing exasperation at, and lack of understanding of, some people’s actions.

Pretty sure a while back there were posts about antivaccination groups planning exactly this tactic of booking and blocking appointments simply to further their own agenda. We understand that. We think it’s fucked up, but we understand how they reach that fucked upedness.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Is This Not A Rhetorical Question ¿

I am expressing exasperation at, and lack of understanding of, some people’s actions.

Pretty sure a while back there were posts about antivaccination groups planning exactly this tactic of booking and blocking appointments simply to further their own agenda. We understand that. We think it’s fucked up, but we understand how they reach that fucked upedness.

I don’t understand how they reach their conclusions.

Michael V said:

transition said:

you can be sure it’s costing much much more than staying with a committed elimination objective, and way more inconvenient, this will all continue way beyond christmas, way way beyond, mainly because of the deceptions employed is my personal view

the rot started with a plan to release a biological hazard back to nature, and calling it opening up

The Bin-chicken hasn’t told us how many people are in ICU, nor the numbers on ventilators. And she talks “But we’re also going through both the exciting but challenging time of opening up.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/nsw-records-1431-new-covid-19-cases-12-deaths/100431182

It’ll cost less, because all they do is reduce the care provided for other things, and like magic, hospitals have spare capacity, they’re not overwhelmed, we don’t have to pay for the other things. Then people die of other things (not COVID-19) so it’s not a pandemic problem, but it’s all right, because they were old / useless / conditionally preexisting / going to die anyway, and cost the health system less too. Magic¡

About ICU and ventilators, word from people we know in NSW is that they’ve actually had to expand ICUs into adjacent wards. Make of that what you will.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

I am expressing exasperation at, and lack of understanding of, some people’s actions.

Pretty sure a while back there were posts about antivaccination groups planning exactly this tactic of booking and blocking appointments simply to further their own agenda. We understand that. We think it’s fucked up, but we understand how they reach that fucked upedness.

I don’t understand how they reach their conclusions.

Fair. If we survive this pandemic then our SCIENCE classes are going to fundamentally shift to a predominance of critical thinking education. Not that our students are bad at it compared to others as far as we see, but we need everyone to be so much better.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Pretty sure a while back there were posts about antivaccination groups planning exactly this tactic of booking and blocking appointments simply to further their own agenda. We understand that. We think it’s fucked up, but we understand how they reach that fucked upedness.

I don’t understand how they reach their conclusions.

Fair. If we survive this pandemic then our SCIENCE classes are going to fundamentally shift to a predominance of critical thinking education. Not that our students are bad at it compared to others as far as we see, but we need everyone to be so much better.

Yes, yes we do.

PM announces a 4 million dose vaccine swap deal with the United Kingdom
Australia will receive 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine months earlier than expected after a major vaccine swap deal with the UK.

The British doses will arrive in Australia this month to allow them to be used before they expire.

Australia will return the favour later in the year by sending 4 million of its future stockpile back to the UK.

The doses will be distributed across Australia based on the population of each state and territory.

Isn’t that a bit unfair; shouldn’t NSW be getting all of them?

sibeen said:

PM announces a 4 million dose vaccine swap deal with the United Kingdom
Australia will receive 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine months earlier than expected after a major vaccine swap deal with the UK.

The British doses will arrive in Australia this month to allow them to be used before they expire.

Australia will return the favour later in the year by sending 4 million of its future stockpile back to the UK.

The doses will be distributed across Australia based on the population of each state and territory.

Isn’t that a bit unfair; shouldn’t NSW be getting all of them?

Gladys should be getting them to hand out personally to friends and relatives.

sibeen said:

Isn’t that a bit unfair; shouldn’t NSW be getting all of them?

We are not all in this together?

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

PM announces a 4 million dose vaccine swap deal with the United Kingdom
Australia will receive 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine months earlier than expected after a major vaccine swap deal with the UK.

The British doses will arrive in Australia this month to allow them to be used before they expire.

Australia will return the favour later in the year by sending 4 million of its future stockpile back to the UK.

The doses will be distributed across Australia based on the population of each state and territory.

Isn’t that a bit unfair; shouldn’t NSW be getting all of them?

Gladys should be getting them to hand out personally to friends and relatives.

Tasmania has a greater % of oldies so perhaps they should get extra

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

PM announces a 4 million dose vaccine swap deal with the United Kingdom
Australia will receive 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine months earlier than expected after a major vaccine swap deal with the UK.

The British doses will arrive in Australia this month to allow them to be used before they expire.

Australia will return the favour later in the year by sending 4 million of its future stockpile back to the UK.

The doses will be distributed across Australia based on the population of each state and territory.

Isn’t that a bit unfair; shouldn’t NSW be getting all of them?

Gladys should be getting them to hand out personally to friends and relatives.

Tasmania has a greater % of oldies so perhaps they should get extra

We also have lots of disability pensioners. I know a bunch that purposefully moved to Tasmania because even though the medical system might not be as good as some other states when they moved here it was cheap to get housing. (that is no longer the case)

But Tassie folk seem to be taking vaccination more seriously than some other states.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

you can be sure it’s costing much much more than staying with a committed elimination objective, and way more inconvenient, this will all continue way beyond christmas, way way beyond, mainly because of the deceptions employed is my personal view

the rot started with a plan to release a biological hazard back to nature, and calling it opening up

The Bin-chicken hasn’t told us how many people are in ICU, nor the numbers on ventilators. And she talks “But we’re also going through both the exciting but challenging time of opening up.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/nsw-records-1431-new-covid-19-cases-12-deaths/100431182

It’ll cost less, because all they do is reduce the care provided for other things, and like magic, hospitals have spare capacity, they’re not overwhelmed, we don’t have to pay for the other things. Then people die of other things (not COVID-19) so it’s not a pandemic problem, but it’s all right, because they were old / useless / conditionally preexisting / going to die anyway, and cost the health system less too. Magic¡

About ICU and ventilators, word from people we know in NSW is that they’ve actually had to expand ICUs into adjacent wards. Make of that what you will.

it’s costing a shitload more than maintaining the elimination objective, or vaccine+ if you will

it’s going to be protracted, nasty, full of bullshit, endless deceptions

there are a few politicians probably opening up a new tube of slippery while watching the escape of the contagion, some media also, and others, a lot of low-level psychopaths recruited and recruiting for covid egalitarianism

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

The Bin-chicken hasn’t told us how many people are in ICU, nor the numbers on ventilators. And she talks “But we’re also going through both the exciting but challenging time of opening up.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/nsw-records-1431-new-covid-19-cases-12-deaths/100431182

It’ll cost less, because all they do is reduce the care provided for other things, and like magic, hospitals have spare capacity, they’re not overwhelmed, we don’t have to pay for the other things. Then people die of other things (not COVID-19) so it’s not a pandemic problem, but it’s all right, because they were old / useless / conditionally preexisting / going to die anyway, and cost the health system less too. Magic¡

About ICU and ventilators, word from people we know in NSW is that they’ve actually had to expand ICUs into adjacent wards. Make of that what you will.

it’s costing a shitload more than maintaining the elimination objective, or vaccine+ if you will

it’s going to be protracted, nasty, full of bullshit, endless deceptions

there are a few politicians probably opening up a new tube of slippery while watching the escape of the contagion, some media also, and others, a lot of low-level psychopaths recruited and recruiting for covid egalitarianism

Clear enough to our minds. Aim for zero, elimination, and your upfront costs are

• subsidy for waiting to workers
• build decent healthcare / quarantine facilities, only required once no matter how many times you aim to eliminate

until you get there, and then your ongoing costs are

• quarantine
• usual healthcare costs for a privileged, demanding population that wants healthcare provided at the level of quality that they’re used to

but Let It Rip™, Throw It All Open, Dive Into The Cesspool and your upfront costs are

• NOTHING¡ WIN¡

while your ongoing costs are

• acutely unwell workers
• chronically unwell workers
• dead workers
• fearful refusing to workers
• the same healthcare costs as before but now directed to an entirely preventable disease

. We mean, the choice is obvious, only one of those has an upfront cost so the other one is undeniably better.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

It’ll cost less, because all they do is reduce the care provided for other things, and like magic, hospitals have spare capacity, they’re not overwhelmed, we don’t have to pay for the other things. Then people die of other things (not COVID-19) so it’s not a pandemic problem, but it’s all right, because they were old / useless / conditionally preexisting / going to die anyway, and cost the health system less too. Magic¡

About ICU and ventilators, word from people we know in NSW is that they’ve actually had to expand ICUs into adjacent wards. Make of that what you will.

it’s costing a shitload more than maintaining the elimination objective, or vaccine+ if you will

it’s going to be protracted, nasty, full of bullshit, endless deceptions

there are a few politicians probably opening up a new tube of slippery while watching the escape of the contagion, some media also, and others, a lot of low-level psychopaths recruited and recruiting for covid egalitarianism

Clear enough to our minds. Aim for zero, elimination, and your upfront costs are

• subsidy for waiting to workers
• build decent healthcare / quarantine facilities, only required once no matter how many times you aim to eliminate

until you get there, and then your ongoing costs are

• quarantine
• usual healthcare costs for a privileged, demanding population that wants healthcare provided at the level of quality that they’re used to

but Let It Rip™, Throw It All Open, Dive Into The Cesspool and your upfront costs are

• NOTHING¡ WIN¡

while your ongoing costs are

• acutely unwell workers
• chronically unwell workers
• dead workers
• fearful refusing to workers
• the same healthcare costs as before but now directed to an entirely preventable disease

. We mean, the choice is obvious, only one of those has an upfront cost so the other one is undeniably better.

and long covid.

FUCK

It’s all over.

—

Queensland has confirmed one new case of COVID-19, a four-year-old girl who is a close contact of a Logan truck driver who tested positive to the Delta strain of the virus earlier this week.

Authorities say the child attended the Boulevard Early Learning Centre at Mount Warren Park, on the outskirts of Logan, south of Brisbane, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Children, staff and visitors to the centre have been asked to immediately come forward for testing and then quarantine at home for 14 days, even if they get a negative result.

The early learning centre is also used for after-school care for children at Windaroo State School in Logan.

Students, staff and visitors who’ve been at Windaroo State School from Tuesday to Friday, and all their household members, now need to quarantine for 14 days.

More to come.

—

and we thought the authorities said that children don’t spread disease

fuck all the psychopaths

Worldwide, the delta wave has peaked.

In Australia, it hasn’t peaked but the rate of growth has shrunk a bit.

So, this peak in Australia should be over within two months.

The mortality rate from Australia’s delta wave is much less than I had been led to believe by OurWorldInData. Because of the imposition of smoothing and ignoring the time delay in OurWorldInData. We’re back close to our original 0.7% mortality, the same as the first wave.

It may ber worth my doing a data analysis on the delta wave myself.

SCIENCE said:

FUCK

It’s all over.

—

Queensland has confirmed one new case of COVID-19, a four-year-old girl who is a close contact of a Logan truck driver who tested positive to the Delta strain of the virus earlier this week.

Authorities say the child attended the Boulevard Early Learning Centre at Mount Warren Park, on the outskirts of Logan, south of Brisbane, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Children, staff and visitors to the centre have been asked to immediately come forward for testing and then quarantine at home for 14 days, even if they get a negative result.

The early learning centre is also used for after-school care for children at Windaroo State School in Logan.

Students, staff and visitors who’ve been at Windaroo State School from Tuesday to Friday, and all their household members, now need to quarantine for 14 days.

More to come.

—

and we thought the authorities said that children don’t spread disease

fuck all the psychopaths

Bloody Bin-chicken exporting disease by not doing what was agreed: hard and fast.

SCIENCE said:

FUCK

It’s all over.

—

Queensland has confirmed one new case of COVID-19, a four-year-old girl who is a close contact of a Logan truck driver who tested positive to the Delta strain of the virus earlier this week.

Authorities say the child attended the Boulevard Early Learning Centre at Mount Warren Park, on the outskirts of Logan, south of Brisbane, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Children, staff and visitors to the centre have been asked to immediately come forward for testing and then quarantine at home for 14 days, even if they get a negative result.

The early learning centre is also used for after-school care for children at Windaroo State School in Logan.

Students, staff and visitors who’ve been at Windaroo State School from Tuesday to Friday, and all their household members, now need to quarantine for 14 days.

More to come.

—

and we thought the authorities said that children don’t spread disease

fuck all the psychopaths

There is no evidence in that report that the child has spread the disease.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

FUCK

It’s all over.

—

Queensland has confirmed one new case of COVID-19, a four-year-old girl who is a close contact of a Logan truck driver who tested positive to the Delta strain of the virus earlier this week.

Authorities say the child attended the Boulevard Early Learning Centre at Mount Warren Park, on the outskirts of Logan, south of Brisbane, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Children, staff and visitors to the centre have been asked to immediately come forward for testing and then quarantine at home for 14 days, even if they get a negative result.

The early learning centre is also used for after-school care for children at Windaroo State School in Logan.

Students, staff and visitors who’ve been at Windaroo State School from Tuesday to Friday, and all their household members, now need to quarantine for 14 days.

More to come.

—

and we thought the authorities said that children don’t spread disease

fuck all the psychopaths

There is no evidence in that report that the child has spread the disease.

there is evidence that they’re worried about it so maybe they’re lying then

We’re getting spammed with legal threat snail mail antivaxxers at work with the occasional booking block as well.

poikilotherm said:

We’re getting spammed with legal threat snail mail antivaxxers at work with the occasional booking block as well.

are they using random names and getting tricky about it or are you able to tell and prevent the denial of service attack

mollwollfumble said:

Worldwide, the delta wave has peaked.

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Delta_wave

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

FUCK

It’s all over.

—

Queensland has confirmed one new case of COVID-19, a four-year-old girl who is a close contact of a Logan truck driver who tested positive to the Delta strain of the virus earlier this week.

Authorities say the child attended the Boulevard Early Learning Centre at Mount Warren Park, on the outskirts of Logan, south of Brisbane, on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Children, staff and visitors to the centre have been asked to immediately come forward for testing and then quarantine at home for 14 days, even if they get a negative result.

The early learning centre is also used for after-school care for children at Windaroo State School in Logan.

Students, staff and visitors who’ve been at Windaroo State School from Tuesday to Friday, and all their household members, now need to quarantine for 14 days.

More to come.

—

and we thought the authorities said that children don’t spread disease

fuck all the psychopaths

There is no evidence in that report that the child has spread the disease.

there is evidence that they’re worried about it so maybe they’re lying then

It could be that the increased viral loads of delta mean that what was once negligible transmission is now an issue.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

there is evidence that they’re worried about it so maybe they’re lying then

It could be that the increased viral loads of delta mean that what was once negligible transmission is now an issue.

Id’s nod a problem.

In Qld, we shoot the infected, and burn the corpses, pronto.

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

We’re getting spammed with legal threat snail mail antivaxxers at work with the occasional booking block as well.

are they using random names and getting tricky about it or are you able to tell and prevent the denial of service attack

It’s hard to pick most of the time unfortunately. we’re also capable of walk ins so we can readjust fairly quickly most of the time.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

There is no evidence in that report that the child has spread the disease.

there is evidence that they’re worried about it so maybe they’re lying then

It could be that the increased viral loads of delta mean that what was once negligible transmission is now an issue.

nah the actual experts told us that transmission from children was never negligible but was less of an obvious thing when

• children didn’t get tested
• children had online school
• children lived during low community transmission

but true about loads of delta, we mean, they’re still enjoying “fleeting transmission” right

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

there is evidence that they’re worried about it so maybe they’re lying then

It could be that the increased viral loads of delta mean that what was once negligible transmission is now an issue.

Id’s nod a problem.

In Qld, we shoot the infected, and burn the corpses, pronto.

Any excuse ro kill Mexicans.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It could be that the increased viral loads of delta mean that what was once negligible transmission is now an issue.

Id’s nod a problem.

In Qld, we shoot the infected, and burn the corpses, pronto.

Any excuse ro kill Mexicans.

Not many southerners shot so far.

The minefields and razor wire have been quite effective at keeping them out. The killer dogs are getting bored with the lack of sport.

I wonder whether Covid is having a positive effect of encouraging people to get more exercise, in that people who previously did zero exercise as now doing non-zero exercise as that’s a valid reason to be out of the house.

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/prolific-anti-lockdown-campaigner-livestreams-her-own-arrest-on-incitement-charges-c-3837793

Bogsnorkler said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/prolific-anti-lockdown-campaigner-livestreams-her-own-arrest-on-incitement-charges-c-3837793

Alt version:

‘Egomaniac self-promoter makes another desperate bid for brief stardom’.

Goodnight again.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

I am expressing exasperation at, and lack of understanding of, some people’s actions.

Pretty sure a while back there were posts about antivaccination groups planning exactly this tactic of booking and blocking appointments simply to further their own agenda. We understand that. We think it’s fucked up, but we understand how they reach that fucked upedness.

I don’t understand how they reach their conclusions.

Just encountered this, perhaps a start but probably doesn’t explain the crazy ones.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandwellbeing/articles/coronavirusvaccinehesitancyinyoungeradults/june2021

In case the Gutless media blackout strategy wasn’t clear, here’s a role model.

…

I’ve just downloaded the covid variants file.

The delta variant is not just the dominant strain in the world today, it’s more prevalent than that.
In more than 90% of countries that report variants, more than 97% of cases are delta variant.

Keeping in mind that the delta variant is new. There is hardly any country in the world that pays even lip suervice to border quarantine

27/07/2021 looks to be a critical date for the Delta strain. For more than 50% of countries that are now dominated by the Delta strain, they reported fewer than 40% Delta strain before that date and 80% or more Delta strain on and after that date.

Fingers crossed, that should make calculating the mortality rate (as opposed to the case fatality rate which is a less accurate calculation) for the Delta strain in eighty or so countries really easy.

I’m doing this to see whether the Delta strain has a single mortality rate or a mortality rate that varies from country to country in a systematic way.

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve just downloaded the covid variants file.

The delta variant is not just the dominant strain in the world today, it’s more prevalent than that.
In more than 90% of countries that report variants, more than 97% of cases are delta variant.

Keeping in mind that the delta variant is new. There is hardly any country in the world that pays even lip suervice to border quarantine

27/07/2021 looks to be a critical date for the Delta strain. For more than 50% of countries that are now dominated by the Delta strain, they reported fewer than 40% Delta strain before that date and 80% or more Delta strain on and after that date.

Fingers crossed, that should make calculating the mortality rate (as opposed to the case fatality rate which is a less accurate calculation) for the Delta strain in eighty or so countries really easy.

I’m doing this to see whether the Delta strain has a single mortality rate or a mortality rate that varies from country to country in a systematic way.

So do you think it has much further to go in evolution or is it starting to reach the limit of biophysichemistry¿

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve just downloaded the covid variants file.

The delta variant is not just the dominant strain in the world today, it’s more prevalent than that.
In more than 90% of countries that report variants, more than 97% of cases are delta variant.

Keeping in mind that the delta variant is new. There is hardly any country in the world that pays even lip suervice to border quarantine

27/07/2021 looks to be a critical date for the Delta strain. For more than 50% of countries that are now dominated by the Delta strain, they reported fewer than 40% Delta strain before that date and 80% or more Delta strain on and after that date.

Fingers crossed, that should make calculating the mortality rate (as opposed to the case fatality rate which is a less accurate calculation) for the Delta strain in eighty or so countries really easy.

I’m doing this to see whether the Delta strain has a single mortality rate or a mortality rate that varies from country to country in a systematic way.

you might want to dig around re Zn serum levels of different populations, evaluate something of susceptibility to serious illness and death, and also of individuals, check out any possible correlations below and above ~ .50 mcg/mL, could turn up something interesting

Let’s talk about a message to Australia from Florida Man….

Beau of the Fifth Column

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqstDcb44I

sarahs mum said:

Let’s talk about a message to Australia from Florida Man….

Beau of the Fifth Column

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqstDcb44I

watching that, watched some of him before

How many variants are out there now?

Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants
https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

Variants of Concern (VOC) 4
Variants of Interest (VOI) 5
Variants on Alert list 12

Around 21?

Tau.Neutrino said:

How many variants are out there now?

Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants
https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

Variants of Concern (VOC) 4
Variants of Interest (VOI) 5
Variants on Alert list 12

Around 21?

This list has more than 21

https://cov-lineages.org/lineage_list.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8391623/
Persistent Endothelial Dysfunction in Post-Acute COVID-19 Syndrome: A Case-Control Study

reading that^

and this below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endothelium

and further
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endothelial_dysfunction

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

In comparison to standard polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests, the nasal swabbing process for rapid antigen testing is quicker and less invasive. They’re also considerably less expensive. The downside, however, is rapid antigen testing is less accurate than PCR testing – but it’s a comparison Professor Wood says receives undue focus. “That’s actually not the question. The question is, in what circumstances would you use them? “These tests are to complement what we do, not to replace [PCR testing].

Professor Williamson says rapid antigen testing would be particularly useful in workplaces such as health care, aged care, food distribution plants and even construction sites, where people work together in “relatively close quarters.” “The evidence suggests that these tests have the most promising role in frequent testing of the same cohort of people, and that frequent testing can help offset the decrease in sensitivity with the test,” she said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/rapid-antigen-testing-focus-covid-19/100432564

All right¡ Now watch as Corruption Coalition take this idea, then cut funding for PCR and replace it with occasional rapid antigen testing¡ (Wouldn’t happen anywhere else in the world either would it¿)

transition said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

In case the Gutless media blackout strategy wasn’t clear, here’s a role model.

…

Let’s talk about a message to Australia from Florida Man….

Beau of the Fifth Column

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqstDcb44I

watching that, watched some of him before

Well howdy there internet people it’s beau again

So today um we have a special message from Florida man to the people of Australia because a couple of the Australians who watch this channel have sent messages

I guess politicians there in Australia want to relax things

When the public health issue started Australia enacted some pretty strict measures very strict i guess and now there are politicians and commentators there suggesting that they adopt more of a u.s style approach

Okay so to figure out if this is a good idea we’re just going to look at the numbers real quick because i think that might uh be a pretty persuasive argument

The population of Australia is about 25 million that’s roughly the population of Florida

Australia has a little bit more here in Florida we have 21 million people and if you’re in Australia and you don’t know Florida is the Australia of the united states okay

Um similar populations we have lost 45 000 people in Florida alone to this y’all just broke a thousand

You have more people if you were to scale your population up to match the entire population of the united states 328 million i think so uh what 13 times y’all would have lost 13 000 people if you were as big as the us

We have lost 640 000

From Florida man to Australia you want to relax things whatever that’s your country do with it as you choose but please do not follow the united states

As lee we don’t have a clue what we’re doing we are handling this very poorly we have people going to the livestock store to get meds

It’s not going well here we are not an example of anything except what not to do

Do not try to model yourselves after us do not look to the united states and say hey they’re doing all right no we are not

The sound bites that may be filtering over there may be painting a very different picture of uh of what’s going on than the reality

Florida the state that i’m in and quite a few others i want to say five or six have lost one out of every 500 people to this

Do not model yourselves after us

What y’all want to do as far as restrictions and stuff like that that’s all up to you but please do not look to the united states for leadership on this we’re we’re not handling it well

Anyway it’s just a thought you all have a good day

Massive study confirms vaccination reduces risk of long COVID
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/vaccination-reduces-risk-long-covid/

A large study led by researchers from King’s College London has found fully vaccinated adults are around 50 percent less likely to suffer from long COVID if they are unfortunate enough to experience a breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infection.

more…

What are the Delta, Gamma, Beta and Alpha Covid variants?

dv said:

Oops. Bad choice…

dv said:

Looks at watch.

Nah sorry, gotta wash my hair.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/uk-vaccine-assessor-opts-against-covid-jabs-for-children/100434204

If we leave a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, we run the risk of new, more-difficult-to-deal-with variants evolving, I think.

Mind you, vaccination of adults doesn’t guarantee zero infections and zero transmission, either. So we still run that evolutionary risk.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Looks at watch.

Nah sorry, gotta wash my hair.

Prayers don’t work for me. Why would I give them to covidiots?

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/uk-vaccine-assessor-opts-against-covid-jabs-for-children/100434204

If we leave a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, we run the risk of new, more-difficult-to-deal-with variants evolving, I think.

Mind you, vaccination of adults doesn’t guarantee zero infections and zero transmission, either. So we still run that evolutionary risk.

Morning all.
Don’t know if I mentioned it (chemo brain) but the hematologist says I can get the covid jab 2 weeks after this round of treatment ends. I’m booked for my first shot on the 27th.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates?

Lots of interesting charts and tables so hopefully those interested can access this article for free by registering an email address.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/uk-vaccine-assessor-opts-against-covid-jabs-for-children/100434204

If we leave a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, we run the risk of new, more-difficult-to-deal-with variants evolving, I think.

Mind you, vaccination of adults doesn’t guarantee zero infections and zero transmission, either. So we still run that evolutionary risk.

Morning all.
Don’t know if I mentioned it (chemo brain) but the hematologist says I can get the covid jab 2 weeks after this round of treatment ends. I’m booked for my first shot on the 27th.

Excellent, excellent, excellent news!

:)

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/uk-vaccine-assessor-opts-against-covid-jabs-for-children/100434204

If we leave a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, we run the risk of new, more-difficult-to-deal-with variants evolving, I think.

Mind you, vaccination of adults doesn’t guarantee zero infections and zero transmission, either. So we still run that evolutionary risk.

Morning all.
Don’t know if I mentioned it (chemo brain) but the hematologist says I can get the covid jab 2 weeks after this round of treatment ends. I’m booked for my first shot on the 27th.

Excellent.

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/uk-vaccine-assessor-opts-against-covid-jabs-for-children/100434204

If we leave a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, we run the risk of new, more-difficult-to-deal-with variants evolving, I think.

Mind you, vaccination of adults doesn’t guarantee zero infections and zero transmission, either. So we still run that evolutionary risk.

Morning all.
Don’t know if I mentioned it (chemo brain) but the hematologist says I can get the covid jab 2 weeks after this round of treatment ends. I’m booked for my first shot on the 27th.

Excellent, excellent, excellent news!

:)

Mixed feelings. If it upsets the remarkable effectiveness of the chemo I’d be in a worse state than now.
The nurses look at my blood results before each day’s pair of needles & yesterday one said to me “Well, look at you with your perfect blood”

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Morning all.
Don’t know if I mentioned it (chemo brain) but the hematologist says I can get the covid jab 2 weeks after this round of treatment ends. I’m booked for my first shot on the 27th.

Excellent, excellent, excellent news!

:)

Mixed feelings. If it upsets the remarkable effectiveness of the chemo I’d be in a worse state than now.
The nurses look at my blood results before each day’s pair of needles & yesterday one said to me “Well, look at you with your perfect blood”

Top Marks mate.

dv said:

Mere anecdote, show us some data.

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/uk-vaccine-assessor-opts-against-covid-jabs-for-children/100434204

If we leave a significant proportion of the population unvaccinated, we run the risk of new, more-difficult-to-deal-with variants evolving, I think.

Mind you, vaccination of adults doesn’t guarantee zero infections and zero transmission, either. So we still run that evolutionary risk.

It’ll still make it easier to succeed whenever communities are finally ready to take the daring leap to go for Zero™.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Mere anecdote, show us some data.

Bogsnorkler said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Mere anecdote, show us some data.

Looks like stoned data to me.

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

SCIENCE said:

Mere anecdote, show us some data.

Looks like stoned data to me.

Know seriously we want to see hundreds, thousands, millions of COVID-19-iots dying of this shit, kill them all ¡

Nah we’re nice, we wouldn’t wish harm on anyone unless they were psychopathically trying to murder a whole bunch of people.

Wait, …

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Looks like stoned data to me.

Know seriously we want to see hundreds, thousands, millions of COVID-19-iots dying of this shit, kill them all ¡

Nah we’re nice, we wouldn’t wish harm on anyone unless they were psychopathically trying to murder a whole bunch of people.

Wait, …

His scleras are the same colour as MkII’s just before she died.

though we do appreciate the semimetapun in the embedded base64encoding uri

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/qld-covid-case-girl-4-forces-windaroo-school-closure/100434320

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/qld-covid-case-girl-4-forces-windaroo-school-closure/100434320

Yeah, up there they’re sa’in’,

but then below that

well all right, so why is a 1 in 500 chance of dying from COVID-19 a simple matter of Let It Rip™ For The Economy Must Grow® but a one in a million chance of getting treatable cancer a pretty big deal ¿

NSW records 1,533 new COVID-19 cases, four deaths

A new record.

sibeen said:

NSW records 1,533 new COVID-19 cases, four deaths

A new record.

It’s been a new record for the last 4 consecutive days I think.

sibeen said:

NSW records 1,533 new COVID-19 cases, four deaths

A new record.

Yeah not sure their spin on this is particularly helpful…

“Vast Majority” ¿

80%, fuck that

Don’t forget supposedly they have 50% already vaccinated too so this is working well.

sibeen said:

NSW records 1,533 new COVID-19 cases, four deaths

A new record.

Yeah. Sad.

:(

:(

:(

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

Same here.

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

Ha! I’ve had similar thoughts. States are handy to have.

Speedy said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

Ha! I’ve had similar thoughts. States are handy to have.

Same.

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

+1

Key stats from the NSW COVID press conference:

• 1533 new locally acquired cases. It’s the highest number recorded by any Australian jurisdiction in a 24-hour period.

• NSW recorded four more deaths, bringing the total lives lost to 123 from the Delta outbreak, and 179 in NSW since the start of the pandemic.

• There have been 26,517 locally acquired cases since 16 June, when the first case in this outbreak was reported.

• There are 1,041 COVID-19 cases admitted to hospital, with 173 people in intensive care, 62 of whom require ventilation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-04/covid-live-blog-nsw-press-conference-victoria-new-cases/100433868

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

Valid point. Imagine if there were no opposition states to show how bad some policies are.

dear God some that work for the Stateblaster, appealing to the globalist borderblasters, will be pulling their hair out hearing of, or seeing these positive sentiments about the States, about borders of any sort, they’ll be pacing up and down corridors muttering release the virus, the Delta++++++++ version

humor, don’t mind me

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Competence is an ephemeral thing in politics.

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Yeah, but how do we guarantee a competent federal government? Or a competent state government too for that matter. As long as one of them is competent it can offset the impact of the other’s incompetence. If they are both incompetent it is a problem (refer NSW). Checks and balances and all that.

Tamb said:

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Competence is an ephemeral thing in politics.

be nice to do away with at least one layer of incompetency though.

party_pants said:

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Yeah, but how do we guarantee a competent federal government? Or a competent state government too for that matter. As long as one of them is competent it can offset the impact of the other’s incompetence. If they are both incompetent it is a problem (refer NSW). Checks and balances and all that.

by improving the education system. educating the masses on critical thinking. giving more teeth to regulators so that we have truth in advertising at time of elections. Better selection processes for political candidates. less lobbying. less political donations. more penalties, that are actually applied, to pollies that break the rules.

:-)

party_pants said:

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Yeah, but how do we guarantee a competent federal government? Or a competent state government too for that matter. As long as one of them is competent it can offset the impact of the other’s incompetence. If they are both incompetent it is a problem (refer NSW). Checks and balances and all that.

Any democratic system is only as good as the politicians who participate in it.

Tamb said:

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

If there is one way that Covid has affected me, it is that I am no longer considering that abolishing the states might be a good idea worth pursuing.

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Competence is an ephemeral thing in politics.

And extremely objective.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Bogsnorkler said:

That is just an excuse for not having a competent federal government though.

Competence is an ephemeral thing in politics.

And extremely objective.

Delete the ob and replace with sub.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

Competence is an ephemeral thing in politics.

And extremely objective.

Delete the ob and replace with sub.

already done.