Need a new one.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/victoria-police-responding-possible-breaches-religious-gathering/100441768
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/victoria-police-responding-possible-breaches-religious-gathering/100441768
The Jewish community haven’t been covering themselves in glory the past few months.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/victoria-police-responding-possible-breaches-religious-gathering/100441768
The Jewish community haven’t been covering themselves in glory the past few months.
I don’t quite understand how you could think no-one would notice a big group gathering at an obvious gathering place, regardless of what the group was.
Flutracker flu numbers are down, but still above the same time last year.
Biggest drop in Australia new cases in one day for more than a year. But that doesn’t mean that we’re over peak new cases for this wave yet.
mollwollfumble said:
Flutracker flu numbers are down, but still above the same time last year.
Biggest drop in Australia new cases in one day for more than a year. But that doesn’t mean that we’re over peak new cases for this wave yet.
Thank Gutless¡
different SCIENCE but yeah 3 movements
The Health Minister has defended the federal government’s decision to allocate greater shares of COVID-19 vaccines to states suffering from outbreaks, saying it has saved lives.
Victorian Premier Andrews has since accused the NSW government of using additional vaccine allocations to “sprint” towards its vaccination targets, while leaving other states in an “egg-and-spoon race”.
But the Health Minister said the additional allocations were consistent with the national plan agreed to by the states. “As we’ve had outbreaks, we’ve prioritised those areas to save lives,” Mr Hunt said. “In particular, we started by prioritising Victoria when there was the Victorian outbreak.” “We’ve made sure that saving lives is at the heart of what we’re doing.”
“I hope no-one would begrudge that focus.”
Right.
BUT
You know what else would save lives, and economies, and everything that matters¿
An early 3 week proper lockdown to stop the virus, and stop it from seeding other states and countries, rather than fucking around and now finding out.
Oh did we forget that part, was that part about how “saving lives is at the heart of what we’re doing” ¿
fuck corruption
SCIENCE said:
The Health Minister has defended the federal government’s decision to allocate greater shares of COVID-19 vaccines to states suffering from outbreaks, saying it has saved lives.Victorian Premier Andrews has since accused the NSW government of using additional vaccine allocations to “sprint” towards its vaccination targets, while leaving other states in an “egg-and-spoon race”.
But the Health Minister said the additional allocations were consistent with the national plan agreed to by the states. “As we’ve had outbreaks, we’ve prioritised those areas to save lives,” Mr Hunt said. “In particular, we started by prioritising Victoria when there was the Victorian outbreak.” “We’ve made sure that saving lives is at the heart of what we’re doing.”
“I hope no-one would begrudge that focus.”Right.
BUT
You know what else would save lives, and economies, and everything that matters¿
An early 3 week proper lockdown to stop the virus, and stop it from seeding other states and countries, rather than fucking around and now finding out.
Oh did we forget that part, was that part about how “saving lives is at the heart of what we’re doing” ¿
fuck corruption
well it’s not all corruption, some of it is the outcome of citizen loyalties, what’s possible given, for some the States don’t mean much, for others they see the relationship top down from national level, others see it in reverse, and others have a more international perspective, it’s a mixed bag, but I might add State (and national) loyalties are not everybody’s cup of tea, but they are real
you’ll see NZ is doing quite well getting back to elimination, largely because of citizen loyalty
loyalty gives you as a more reliable uniform response
presently the loyalties in Australia are being messed with, some of it seems to come from the UK, some from the US, not insignificant investors in Australia, and you know the backdrop involves an effort to limit investment from China here
the question of the structure (if you will) of State loyalties in relation to national loyalties etc is interesting I think
how do you see it, your own loyalties, is your State loyalty subordinate to your national loyalties? (presuming you’re an Australian citizen, and living here, a resident), or is it in ways the opposite way around?
how do you view more international loyalties, more diffuse loyalties perhaps? More fluid loyalties
https://www.facebook.com/ABCMediaWatch/videos/534660607615076/
Media Watch concerning crisis actor rumours
An update on what we were reading last night.
Victorian police investigating religious gathering as worshippers to receive $5,500 fines
Police are continuing to investigate a religious gathering in Ripponlea in Melbourne’s inner south-east.
The gathering to celebrate Jewish New Year breached Victoria’s lockdown restrictions.
Police say all adults who attended will be receiving $5,500 fines.
The local federal MP Josh Burns says it’s disappointing.
“Most people will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and most people from within the Jewish community will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and people have been doing the right thing and I would just say that for this small number that’s not, it’s very disappointing,” he said.
The Jewish Community Council has issued a statement expressing its strong disappointment and condemnation of those who breached lockdown.
It says it’s gone to great lengths to encourage the local community to follow the rules, and to celebrate Jewish New Year at home.
It says the actions of a few do not represent the vast majority of the community.
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Expensive Jewish New Year for participants.
buffy said:
An update on what we were reading last night.Victorian police investigating religious gathering as worshippers to receive $5,500 fines
Police are continuing to investigate a religious gathering in Ripponlea in Melbourne’s inner south-east.
The gathering to celebrate Jewish New Year breached Victoria’s lockdown restrictions.
Police say all adults who attended will be receiving $5,500 fines.
The local federal MP Josh Burns says it’s disappointing.
“Most people will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and most people from within the Jewish community will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and people have been doing the right thing and I would just say that for this small number that’s not, it’s very disappointing,” he said.
The Jewish Community Council has issued a statement expressing its strong disappointment and condemnation of those who breached lockdown.
It says it’s gone to great lengths to encourage the local community to follow the rules, and to celebrate Jewish New Year at home.
It says the actions of a few do not represent the vast majority of the community.
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Expensive Jewish New Year for participants.
They can afford it.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
An update on what we were reading last night.Victorian police investigating religious gathering as worshippers to receive $5,500 fines
Police are continuing to investigate a religious gathering in Ripponlea in Melbourne’s inner south-east.
The gathering to celebrate Jewish New Year breached Victoria’s lockdown restrictions.
Police say all adults who attended will be receiving $5,500 fines.
The local federal MP Josh Burns says it’s disappointing.
“Most people will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and most people from within the Jewish community will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and people have been doing the right thing and I would just say that for this small number that’s not, it’s very disappointing,” he said.
The Jewish Community Council has issued a statement expressing its strong disappointment and condemnation of those who breached lockdown.
It says it’s gone to great lengths to encourage the local community to follow the rules, and to celebrate Jewish New Year at home.
It says the actions of a few do not represent the vast majority of the community.
—————————————————————————————————————
Expensive Jewish New Year for participants.
They can afford it.
so all jews are rich?
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
An update on what we were reading last night.Victorian police investigating religious gathering as worshippers to receive $5,500 fines
Police are continuing to investigate a religious gathering in Ripponlea in Melbourne’s inner south-east.
The gathering to celebrate Jewish New Year breached Victoria’s lockdown restrictions.
Police say all adults who attended will be receiving $5,500 fines.
The local federal MP Josh Burns says it’s disappointing.
“Most people will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and most people from within the Jewish community will be looking at these images going “this is appalling” and people have been doing the right thing and I would just say that for this small number that’s not, it’s very disappointing,” he said.
The Jewish Community Council has issued a statement expressing its strong disappointment and condemnation of those who breached lockdown.
It says it’s gone to great lengths to encourage the local community to follow the rules, and to celebrate Jewish New Year at home.
It says the actions of a few do not represent the vast majority of the community.
—————————————————————————————————————
Expensive Jewish New Year for participants.
They can afford it.
so all jews are rich?
The ones who don’t fear the fines obviously can.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/covid-19-underlying-medical-conditions-what-are-they/100440656
No by-line, which is odd.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/covid-19-underlying-medical-conditions-what-are-they/100440656No by-line, which is odd.
Read that, Tamb’s in that lot.
It’s pretty much what you would expect, chronic illnesses basically.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/covid-19-underlying-medical-conditions-what-are-they/100440656No by-line, which is odd.
Read that, Tamb’s in that lot.
It’s pretty much what you would expect, chronic illnesses basically.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/covid-19-underlying-medical-conditions-what-are-they/100440656No by-line, which is odd.
Read that, Tamb’s in that lot.
It’s pretty much what you would expect, chronic illnesses basically.
Yes. I’ve a few of the chronics. The plus is that I’m now Cairns hospital’s poster-boy for Azacitadine chemo treatment.
How you know the media are reporting bullshit.
The Doherty Institute model, which NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has said is being used to help guide the state, found that if restrictions were eased when 70 per cent of the population was vaccinated, 13 people would die from the disease within six months if testing and tracing were maintained at a high level.
Wait, really, did they consider that NSWuhan are killing 5 people a day right now even without easing restrictions, does this make sense, Let It Rip™ and suddenly it stops killing people after 3 days ¿
Oh yeah that’s right, it will because suddenly everyone will be dying with but not from COVID-19, actually if you don’t test then you don’t get any cases yeah yeah.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/covid-19-underlying-medical-conditions-what-are-they/100440656No by-line, which is odd.
Read that, Tamb’s in that lot.
It’s pretty much what you would expect, chronic illnesses basically.
Yes. I’ve a few of the chronics. The plus is that I’m now Cairns hospital’s poster-boy for Azacitadine chemo treatment.
:)
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:Read that, Tamb’s in that lot.
It’s pretty much what you would expect, chronic illnesses basically.
Yes. I’ve a few of the chronics. The plus is that I’m now Cairns hospital’s poster-boy for Azacitadine chemo treatment.:)
chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Tamb said:Yes. I’ve a few of the chronics. The plus is that I’m now Cairns hospital’s poster-boy for Azacitadine chemo treatment.
:)
chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said::)
chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
The C in CMML is for chronic.
yes, because it is ongoing or constantly recurring and in this case it is serious. I have chronic back pain, it isn’t serious just annoying.
NSW records 1,480 new COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said::)
chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
The C in CMML is for chronic.
I suffer from chronic inconvenience.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Tamb said:Yes. I’ve a few of the chronics. The plus is that I’m now Cairns hospital’s poster-boy for Azacitadine chemo treatment.
:)
chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
could mean it is serious because it is recurring or constant, that recurrence or constancy is what makes it serious, sort of seriously chronic, though perhaps not necessarily chronically serious
bit early isn’t it^, trying to humor myself there, anyway chronic might mean unresolving, or not fully resolving, which of medicine and the subject dis-ease whether something resolves naturally, or with treatment, or both, or doesn’t, is probably important
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
The C in CMML is for chronic.I suffer from chronic inconvenience.
I am also susceptible to draughts.
Woodie said:
Woodie said:
Tamb said:The C in CMML is for chronic.
I suffer from chronic inconvenience.
I am also susceptible to draughts.
Gotta be able to get into a pub to drink those.
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said::)
chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
could mean it is serious because it is recurring or constant, that recurrence or constancy is what makes it serious, sort of seriously chronic, though perhaps not necessarily chronically serious
bit early isn’t it^, trying to humor myself there, anyway chronic might mean unresolving, or not fully resolving, which of medicine and the subject dis-ease whether something resolves naturally, or with treatment, or both, or doesn’t, is probably important
As mentioned, “chronic” just means ongoing, long term etc. “Acute” means quick and sudden and short term. (generalized. But they are general terms, and have specific medical meanings)
buffy said:
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:chronic just means ongoing or constantly recurring. doesn’t relate to the seriousness of said complaint.
could mean it is serious because it is recurring or constant, that recurrence or constancy is what makes it serious, sort of seriously chronic, though perhaps not necessarily chronically serious
bit early isn’t it^, trying to humor myself there, anyway chronic might mean unresolving, or not fully resolving, which of medicine and the subject dis-ease whether something resolves naturally, or with treatment, or both, or doesn’t, is probably important
As mentioned, “chronic” just means ongoing, long term etc. “Acute” means quick and sudden and short term. (generalized. But they are general terms, and have specific medical meanings)
let me have some fun, I need it, a little play with this subjective reality business that dares persist largely independent of dictionary definitions
transition said:
buffy said:
transition said:could mean it is serious because it is recurring or constant, that recurrence or constancy is what makes it serious, sort of seriously chronic, though perhaps not necessarily chronically serious
bit early isn’t it^, trying to humor myself there, anyway chronic might mean unresolving, or not fully resolving, which of medicine and the subject dis-ease whether something resolves naturally, or with treatment, or both, or doesn’t, is probably important
As mentioned, “chronic” just means ongoing, long term etc. “Acute” means quick and sudden and short term. (generalized. But they are general terms, and have specific medical meanings)
let me have some fun, I need it, a little play with this subjective reality business that dares persist largely independent of dictionary definitions
don’t try to cover your ignorance with saying it is just fun. this is a recurring, or chronic, trait you have.
Bogsnorkler said:
transition said:
buffy said:As mentioned, “chronic” just means ongoing, long term etc. “Acute” means quick and sudden and short term. (generalized. But they are general terms, and have specific medical meanings)
let me have some fun, I need it, a little play with this subjective reality business that dares persist largely independent of dictionary definitions
don’t try to cover your ignorance with saying it is just fun. this is a recurring, or chronic, trait you have.
chuckle, as you were, nothing to be territorial about here
Don’t quote me but it appears the world is past the crest of the fifth wave.
dv said:
Don’t quote me but it appears the world is past the crest of the fifth wave.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Don’t quote me but it appears the world is past the crest of the fifth wave.
nice
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Don’t quote me but it appears the world is past the crest of the fifth wave.
nice
true
the world is past the test of the fifth wave
no case
‘Millions of doses’: Pfizer approached Australia first for vaccine deal
Rachel Clun
By Rachel Clun
Updated September 8, 2021 — 2.31pmfirst published at 1.20pm
Federal bureaucrats turned down an offer from pharmaceutical giant Pfizer in mid-2020 for a detailed meeting with top executives and the Health Minister about the company’s progress on a coronavirus vaccine, as other countries were already on track to signing deals for millions of doses.
Documents from June and early July last year released under the Freedom of Information Act show the company was eager to meet “at the earliest opportunity”, but received a response from the Department of Health days later offering a meeting with a first assistant secretary instead.
But a spokesman for Health Minister Greg Hunt rejected the interpretation that the government was slow to act, saying the Department of Health began working with Pfizer shortly after the pandemic began.
“The Department has been actively engaged with Pfizer since very early in the pandemic,” he said. “These discussions have been extensive and co-operative.”
Australia signed its first contract with Pfizer in November, for 10 million doses. Other countries, including the US and Canada, had signed deals with the pharmaceutical giant as early as July that year.
Read More:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/millions-of-doses-pfizer-approached-australia-first-for-vaccine-deal-20210908-p58pv6.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
‘Millions of doses’: Pfizer approached Australia first for vaccine deal
Rachel Clun
By Rachel Clun
Updated September 8, 2021 — 2.31pmfirst published at 1.20pmFederal bureaucrats turned down an offer from pharmaceutical giant Pfizer in mid-2020 for a detailed meeting with top executives and the Health Minister about the company’s progress on a coronavirus vaccine, as other countries were already on track to signing deals for millions of doses.
Documents from June and early July last year released under the Freedom of Information Act show the company was eager to meet “at the earliest opportunity”, but received a response from the Department of Health days later offering a meeting with a first assistant secretary instead.
But a spokesman for Health Minister Greg Hunt rejected the interpretation that the government was slow to act, saying the Department of Health began working with Pfizer shortly after the pandemic began.
“The Department has been actively engaged with Pfizer since very early in the pandemic,” he said. “These discussions have been extensive and co-operative.”
Australia signed its first contract with Pfizer in November, for 10 million doses. Other countries, including the US and Canada, had signed deals with the pharmaceutical giant as early as July that year.
Read More:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/millions-of-doses-pfizer-approached-australia-first-for-vaccine-deal-20210908-p58pv6.html
The Health Minister’s office didn’t meet Pfizer executives until a fortnight after the USA and UK had already signed supply deals for COVID-19 vaccines, despite the pharmaceutical giant repeatedly advising the federal government to show urgency.
Key points:
Newly surfaced documents suggest Pfizer initiated contact with the government on June 26 last year to request a meeting, warning four days later that the “vaccine development landscape is moving swiftly”, including with other nations.
The company offered to make senior members of its “global leadership team available” for the discussion if the Health Minister “and/or departmental leadership” could be involved.
“I am requesting this meeting occur at the earliest opportunity,” a Pfizer executive told the Health Department in a June 30 email, obtained by Labor under Freedom of Information laws.
“We have the potential to supply millions of vaccine doses by the end of 2020,” the company wrote.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-meeting-health-minister/100443360
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
‘Millions of doses’: Pfizer approached Australia first for vaccine deal
Rachel Clun
By Rachel Clun
Updated September 8, 2021 — 2.31pmfirst published at 1.20pmFederal bureaucrats turned down an offer from pharmaceutical giant Pfizer in mid-2020 for a detailed meeting with top executives and the Health Minister about the company’s progress on a coronavirus vaccine, as other countries were already on track to signing deals for millions of doses.
Documents from June and early July last year released under the Freedom of Information Act show the company was eager to meet “at the earliest opportunity”, but received a response from the Department of Health days later offering a meeting with a first assistant secretary instead.
But a spokesman for Health Minister Greg Hunt rejected the interpretation that the government was slow to act, saying the Department of Health began working with Pfizer shortly after the pandemic began.
“The Department has been actively engaged with Pfizer since very early in the pandemic,” he said. “These discussions have been extensive and co-operative.”
Australia signed its first contract with Pfizer in November, for 10 million doses. Other countries, including the US and Canada, had signed deals with the pharmaceutical giant as early as July that year.
Read More:
The Health Minister’s office didn’t meet Pfizer executives until a fortnight after the USA and UK had already signed supply deals for COVID-19 vaccines, despite the pharmaceutical giant repeatedly advising the federal government to show urgency.
The Health Minister’s office first met with Pfizer weeks after the US and UK signed deals Pfizer said it could offer millions of doses by the end of 2020 The company urged the government to move quickly, as other countries rushed to make deals
Key points:Newly surfaced documents suggest Pfizer initiated contact with the government on June 26 last year to request a meeting, warning four days later that the “vaccine development landscape is moving swiftly”, including with other nations.
The company offered to make senior members of its “global leadership team available” for the discussion if the Health Minister “and/or departmental leadership” could be involved.
“I am requesting this meeting occur at the earliest opportunity,” a Pfizer executive told the Health Department in a June 30 email, obtained by Labor under Freedom of Information laws.
“We have the potential to supply millions of vaccine doses by the end of 2020,” the company wrote.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-meeting-health-minister/100443360
wait weren’t these lies already promulgated like 3 months ago and then they were shouted down for being hearsay, bullshit, fabrication, Labor Propaganda, essentially a load of evidence against the arseholes that are the Corruption Coalition so clearly untrue
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to experts
https://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
Idaho. Don’t read the fine print if you want to live.
Coming soon to a NSWuhan Near You¡
A 50-Year-Old Mystery About The Measles
Because if the world can eliminate measles, it will help protect kids from many other infections, too.
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Guess the world can’t¡
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Me too. So.. a measles vaccine help you survie covid more or less.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Booster shots are in the nation’s future
ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr says a booster vaccine program will rollout through 2022, and the vaccines for that program have already been acquired.He said those who have had the AstraZeneca vaccine will be offered an mRNA vaccine (like Pfizer or Moderna) as a booster:
“The exact details I don’t know today, but people will be advised, and there has been some discussion among health authorities in relation to those who have had the Astra Zeneca vaccine being able to have an mRNA booster, but that decision has not yet been informed by advisory groups such a ATAGI, and they will inform the nation in time,” he said.
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Sorry we’re not up to date on chat progress yet but we’re still trying to wrap our head around this one.
Can someone with intelligence please explain it to us like we’re SCIENCE¿
- That Vaccine™ is as good as the other one, right¿
- That Vaccine™ makes immunity that lasts longer than the other one, right¿
- We have a vast and over supply of That Vaccine™, right¿
So why is the first thing we’re hearing about any of this, that if you had That Vaccine™, then you’re going to be good to go for a booster shot with The Other Vaccine™¿
Who’s lying¿
The have been a few studies where the results indicate that having a different vaccine to your first one may provide greater protection.
Just catching up on follow ups, the question then, why isn’t the news that people who had their 2 doses of The Other Vaccine™ will be offered a booster of That Vaccine™¿
As in why not, after mRNA *2, the adenovirus¿
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
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It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Pretty much all of our generation did.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Pretty much all of our generation did.
Chickenpox, measles, mumps. And shingles as a teenager.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Pretty much all of our generation did.
Chickenpox, measles, mumps. And shingles as a teenager.
You’re just counting chickenpox twice ;)
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Pretty much all of our generation did.
Just checked my records…I had measles for my birthday in July 1967. Then for my birthday in 1969 I had chicken pox. I had a late birthday present of mumps in August 1965 and a late birthday present of German measles in August 1966
poikilotherm said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:Pretty much all of our generation did.
Chickenpox, measles, mumps. And shingles as a teenager.
You’re just counting chickenpox twice ;)
That’s cos I’ve had it twice.
poikilotherm said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:Pretty much all of our generation did.
Chickenpox, measles, mumps. And shingles as a teenager.
You’re just counting chickenpox twice ;)
Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
SCIENCE said:
:)
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
Thanks. I wasn’t aware of this measles thing. And, you’re correct; there are some indications of this same type of immune system amnesia occurring after COVID-19.
SCIENCE said:
Idaho. Don’t read the fine print if you want to live.
Coming soon to a NSWuhan Near You¡
Time, and time again.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
write from the start, and now there are quiet whispers among the experts that similar things are happening with SARS-CoV-2 but why listen to expertshttps://medicalrepublic.com.au/the-great-measles-immunity-heist/25264
Long seen as a relatively trivial childhood disease, the measles virus is finally being outed for the insidious killer it is
Ruhland gave an address to the American Public Health Association titled “What can we do about measles?”. He cited a survey showing up to 95% of American adults had had it, and lamented that no fix could be found until the causal agent was known. Besides “exceptionally high” infectivity, it spread because of “the unfortunate popular belief that measles is, after all, only a negligible disease of childhood with a corresponding indifference and lack of co-operation on the part of the public”.
Measles causes a runny nose, sore throat, inflamed eyes, fever and rash and usually resolves itself within a fortnight. Unpleasant, but “negligible” enough, unless the patient acquires pneumonia or, more rarely, encephalitis. But already by this time it was suspected that survivors, while immune to measles, were more susceptible to other diseases, both immediately after infection and further down the track. Paediatrician and immunologist Clemens von Pirquet had noticed by 1908 that after measles, children no longer tested positive for prior tuberculosis infection, and that chronic nephritis and other immune-related phenomena he called “allergies” also disappeared.
In 1954 the agent, a morbillivirus, was isolated. The vaccine that came within a decade of that discovery had soon reduced measles incidence by an order of magnitude. It was also observed to have a profound and unexpected impact on mortality from all infectious diseases, preventing about five times as many deaths as measles itself would have caused. It turns out that behind the wheezles and sneezles and rash, the measles virus quietly destroys the patient’s acquired protection against other, more deadly, infections.
Measles actually has two distinct effects on the immune system. It suppresses it for about a month after infection; but it also, by colonising and destroying certain antibody-producing cells, leaves the patient open to attack by pathogens they once carried a defence against. The worse the illness, the greater the immune depletion. The researcher who has done the most work to formalise the idea of “immune amnesia” and to characterise its mechanism is Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology and immunology at Harvard, and associate medical director in clinical microbiology (molecular diagnostics) in the pathology department at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.
We didn’t hit a paywall there so we leave you audience to enjoy the full experience yourselves.
see also
It’s interesting. I had measles as a child.
Me too. So.. a measles vaccine help you survie covid more or less.
No. The point is that infection with SARS-CoV-2 may suppress the immune system (like measles does) and make people (kids particularly) who have had COVID-19 more likely to die from other infections over the next few years.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:SCIENCE said:
Sorry we’re not up to date on chat progress yet but we’re still trying to wrap our head around this one.
Can someone with intelligence please explain it to us like we’re SCIENCE¿
- That Vaccine™ is as good as the other one, right¿
- That Vaccine™ makes immunity that lasts longer than the other one, right¿
- We have a vast and over supply of That Vaccine™, right¿
So why is the first thing we’re hearing about any of this, that if you had That Vaccine™, then you’re going to be good to go for a booster shot with The Other Vaccine™¿
Who’s lying¿
The have been a few studies where the results indicate that having a different vaccine to your first one may provide greater protection.
Just catching up on follow ups, the question then, why isn’t the news that people who had their 2 doses of The Other Vaccine™ will be offered a booster of That Vaccine™¿
As in why not, after mRNA *2, the adenovirus¿
Probably a politically-driven notion.
Bubblecar said:
poikilotherm said:
Bubblecar said:Chickenpox, measles, mumps. And shingles as a teenager.
You’re just counting chickenpox twice ;)
Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
poikilotherm said:You’re just counting chickenpox twice ;)
Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
do you get the shakes when you have shingles?
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
poikilotherm said:You’re just counting chickenpox twice ;)
Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
do you get the shakes when you have shingles?
Ha! No, but I did once own a shingle-cleaving axe.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
Yes. More than 10 so far. I know what it feels like even from day one. Which is good, because there is only a limited window of opportunity between onset of symptoms and loss of effectiveness of the tablets. (72 hours?)
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Quite different in its subsequent incarnation.
I was told by the GP at the time that I was lucky to get shingles as a teen as it can be more painful later in life.
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
we thought herpes zoster was reactivation of one infection
apparently there’s also a shingles shot to get as well, after all your ForeverCOVID™ boosters
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
do you get the shakes when you have shingles?
Ha! No, but I did once own a shingle-cleaving axe.
a froe?
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
we thought herpes zoster was reactivation of one infection
apparently there’s also a shingles shot to get as well, after all your ForeverCOVID™ boosters
here if you get it thousands of times it’s something worth considering
Shingles immunisation is recommended for:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:Michael V said:
Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
we thought herpes zoster was reactivation of one infection
apparently there’s also a shingles shot to get as well, after all your ForeverCOVID™ boosters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>apparently there’s also a shingles shot to get as well, after all your ForeverCOVID™ boosters
When I read about that, I only read about a chickenpox vaccine.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:do you get the shakes when you have shingles?
Ha! No, but I did once own a shingle-cleaving axe.
a froe?
No. And I don’t rightly know what it was called. It was like a giant, very heavy, but thin, meat-cleaver.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Oh, yes it’s painful alright. Kind of like holding an oxy-acetylene torch to the affected area while at the same time using a wire brush to clean the skin.
Thank my lucky stars, the last time I got shingles (since I’ve been at Rainbow Beach) I mentioned that I was coming down with shingles during a routine visit to the doctor and she prescribed tablets available for the disease. I had no idea these tablets were available. Ah – modern medicine.
:)
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
Yes. More than 10 so far. I know what it feels like even from day one. Which is good, because there is only a limited window of opportunity between onset of symptoms and loss of effectiveness of the tablets. (72 hours?)
Ooh.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:Bubblecar said:
So you’re prone to repeated infections?
we thought herpes zoster was reactivation of one infection
apparently there’s also a shingles shot to get as well, after all your ForeverCOVID™ boosters
here if you get it thousands of times it’s something worth considering
Shingles immunisation is recommended for:
- adults aged 60 years and over who have not previously received zoster vaccine
- adults aged 70 years to 79 years, for free under the National Immunisation Program (NIP)
- adults aged 50 or over who live in the same household as someone who has a weakened immune system.
Thanks very much. I’ll look into that.
:)
“Drug regulator considering if the website in Craig Kelly text breaches Criminal Code
Australia’s drug regulator is weighing up whether a website — which was shared in a text message sent out by MP Craig Kelly — breaks the law.
The text message links to a website that uses the Therapeutic Goods Administration’s logo alongside out of context data about adverse reactions to a COVID vaccine.
In a statement to triple J’s Hack program, the TGA said it is consulting with the Commonwealth on whether the use of its logo potentially breaches both copyright and laws around false representation of a Commonwealth body.
That legislation carries a penalty of up to two years in jail.”
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Oh, please let it be so, please. Pretty please. With sugar on top and ice cream.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-08/covid-live-blog-nsw-press-conference-victoria-lockdown/100442154
Michael V said:
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Oh, please let it be so, please. Pretty please. With sugar on top and ice cream.
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:)
either this is much needed good news or they know something is bad and we haven’t heard it yet
What the Delta variant did to South-East Asia
The region had escaped the worst of the pandemic. But in just three months, the virus has brought devastation
Sep 7th 2021
Give this article
AS NEWS CIRCULATED of a worrying new virus spreading in the Chinese city of Wuhan in the early days of 2020, experts worried that infections would quickly reach South-East Asia and overwhelm the region’s health-care systems. Thailand was one of the top destinations for Chinese tourists; the first case outside China was reported there on January 13th 2020. The first known death from covid-19 outside China occurred in the Philippines. A Chinese tourist who had visited Indonesia from Wuhan tested positive upon returning home, suggesting he took the virus on holiday with him.
Yet it was Iran and Italy that became the first global hotspots. America, the rest of Europe and Brazil were soon engulfed. India got walloped. All through 2020 and the early part of this year, South-East Asia remained relatively unscathed. By the start of June, the region of 668m people had reported fewer than 77,000 deaths from the disease. Britain, with a tenth as many people, had chalked up more than 128,000. South-East Asia, it seemed, had escaped the worst of the pandemic.
No longer. By the end of August, the region had recorded some 217,000 deaths from covid, about 2.6 times its total just three months earlier. Yet the real figure is probably much higher: in the range of 520,000 to 1.6m, according to number-crunching by The Economist (see footnote). What happened? And if the latest numbers understate deaths in so dramatic a fashion, was South-East Asia ever really an exception?
The short answer to the first question is that the highly infectious Delta variant happened. When it arrived in the region this year, it encountered a population that lacked any immunity, was complacent after a covid-free year and was defended by public-health measures designed for the milder, original form of the virus. The outbreak in Cambodia, which was virtually covid-free until April, was set off by just two people. Vietnam recorded almost no cases for most of last year and mostly single-digit numbers until April, before a surge that saw daily cases rise to over 13,000 by early September.
Tram (not her real name), a doctor at one of the country’s largest quarantine facilities, a 1,000-bed centre in Ho Chi Minh City, believes the much higher contagiousness of the Delta variant surprised Vietnamese authorities. Though Vietnam was prepared for an outbreak, she says, it relied on contact-tracing, which is of limited use once case numbers start rocketing. Delta moved too quickly for the authorities to contain it.
Another reason for the enormous rise in infections and deaths in South-East Asia over the past few months could be a change in strategy, says David Heymann of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. As governments come to terms with the fact that the virus will become endemic—and that it is now running rampant within their borders—they are looking for ways to live with it. That means accepting a certain number of infections and deaths as the price of opening up. Thailand, for instance, has eased many of its domestic restrictions on movement and commerce; other countries are doing the same.
At the same time, governments have shifted focus from elimination to vaccination. This has been slow to get going but is gathering pace. By June 1st only Singapore and Cambodia had given more than 10% of over-11s one dose or more: now all but Myanmar have crossed 20%. In Cambodia, Malaysia and Singapore, more than 60% of over-11s are fully vaccinated.
Had the virus hit the region harder than the official data suggest even before Delta? India’s official death toll from covid at the start of November stood at some 124,000, but The Economist’s calculations suggest the true number was something more like 820,000. That raised the question of whether South-East Asia, parts of which suffer from severe poverty and creaking health systems, was also failing to count its dead.
The answer, perhaps surprisingly, is no. With the exception of Indonesia, death counts in the region were indeed exceptionally low until June. Mr Heymann, who led the WHO’s response to SARS in 2003, says the region benefited from good policy. He credits South-East Asia with a swift response to the threat in the form of “good contact tracing and good outbreak investigation”. Many countries in the region had suffered outbreaks of SARS and they had “taken preparedness to heart”, he says.
Other factors may have helped too, such as having relatively few imported cases, partly as a result of the swift shutting of borders and imposition of quarantines, and high levels of mask-wearing. The region also has a lower proportion of old people than the badly hit rich countries of the West. And the prevalence of comorbidities such as obesity, which heighten the risk of death from covid, is also lower.
Whatever natural assistance South-East Asian countries may have had, the policies they put in place to stop outbreaks have now either failed or been abandoned. In Ho Chi Minh City, Dr Tram says, the health-care system is overloaded. Whenever a new quarantine facility opens, it quickly fills up. She is voluntarily staying at the one where she works, because she is afraid that she will get infected at work and bring it back to her family. She hasn’t been home for three months. Our model estimates that between 37,000 and 58,000 Vietnamese have died of covid-related causes in the past three months. The official tally pegs the number at 13,000.
The worst may be over for South-East Asia, at least for now. New infections are declining sharply in Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. (They are still rising in the Philippines and are stable in Vietnam.) Yet more waves are inevitable unless vaccination efforts are sped up. And the economic effects are likely to linger.
Even before the latest wave, businesses and workers across the region suffered from closures due to lockdown. Those reliant on tourism, which accounts for 12% of the region’s GDP, have been particularly hard hit. A UN report published at the end of June reckoned regional GDP could shrink by as much as 8.4% from the loss of tourism alone. Simon Purwa, who runs a travel agency in Bali, says that business is down by 90-95%. But, he says, “We are still lucky.” Many other agencies have had to tighten their belts more, or shut down entirely.
In Indonesia, three out of every four households have seen their incomes fall compared to January 2020, according to a Unicef report released in May. More than 12% of households with children say they are struggling to keep themselves fed, and 27% said they have pawned possessions to survive. In Malaysia, the proportion of households in absolute poverty jumped from 5.6% to a projected 8.4% in 2020. That was before the current wave. Even as the disease recedes, its effects will long be felt in hunger, unemployment and lost opportunities.
https://www.economist.com/asia/what-the-delta-variant-did-to-south-east-asia/21804360?
SCIENCE said:
either this is much needed good news or they know something is bad and we haven’t heard it yet
The federal government has also warned that the waiver will not be enough by itself to massively ramp up the production of COVID-19 vaccines globally, largely because most countries simply do not have the advanced production facilities or skilled workers needed to produce them.
well bet you there’s a handful of countries that could but it’ll be their fault that they don’t so
Just letting you know.
Germany managed a negative number of new cases of Covid on 5 Sep according to OurWorldInData.
minus 1,050 new cases.
Check Germany on Worldometers.
8,340 new cases on 5 Sep.
Another booboo for OurWorldInData.
Let’s see what we’ve got for the last week in Germany, new cases
Worldometer
2/9 13950
3/9 12633
4/9 8878
5/9 8340
6/9 6765
7/9 9276
OurWorldInData
2/9 13950
3/9 2899
4/9 18170
5/9 -1050
6/9 6779
7/9 19080
Conclusion. Beware of inaccuracies in OurWorldInData
“A venue in Mildura has been added to Victoria’s list of COVID-19 exposure sites after a case was identified in the regional Victorian town yesterday.
Dan Murphy’s in Fifteenth Street, Mildura, has been listed as a tier 2 exposure site between 3:00pm and 3:35pm on September 3.
The positive case is a Melbourne resident who travelled to Mildura for reasons that are being investigated.
They also attended the Mallee District Aboriginal Services (MDAS) vaccination clinic on Thursday, September 2, but the clinic will not be listed as an exposure site.”
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Sigh.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/victoria-exposure-sites-thursday-september-9/100445618
mollwollfumble said:
Just letting you know.Germany managed a negative number of new cases of Covid on 5 Sep according to OurWorldInData.
minus 1,050 new cases.
Check Germany on Worldometers.
8,340 new cases on 5 Sep.
Another booboo for OurWorldInData.
Let’s see what we’ve got for the last week in Germany, new cases
Worldometer
2/9 13950
3/9 12633
4/9 8878
5/9 8340
6/9 6765
7/9 9276
OurWorldInData
2/9 13950
3/9 2899
4/9 18170
5/9 -1050
6/9 6779
7/9 19080Conclusion. Beware of inaccuracies in OurWorldInData
it’s not uncommon to see adjustments like this.. it’s simply a correction for (most likely) incorrectly allocated cases. probably these cases belong to other countries in a similar way to how cases are attributed between states here..
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/08/australia-to-support-vaccine-waiver-after-months-of-pressure-from-human-rights-groups
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/08/australia-to-support-vaccine-waiver-after-months-of-pressure-from-human-rights-groups
So four months after the USA announced their support the Aus gov decides to fall in line.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/09/indigenous-australians-in-covid-hit-wilcannia-targeted-by-ivermectin-spruiker
‘Next step’ for Queensland is to display vaccination status on check-in app.
The Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk confirms the Queensland Check-In app will soon have the ability to show if someone has been vaccinated.
“We’re working through that technology at the moment that’s the next step I want to prioritise,” Ms Palaszczuk said.
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As per NSW.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/covid-live-blog-nsw-press-conference-victoria-lockdown/100443788
NSW records 1,405 cases, five deaths.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/covid-live-blog-nsw-press-conference-victoria-lockdown/100443788
ChrispenEvan said:
Why are we seeing more COVID cases in fully vaccinated people? An expert explains
Thanks.
It’s good to see all the stuff I’ve waded through, presented so clearly and concisely.
“Parts of regional NSW to come out of lockdown.
Parts of regional NSW currently deemed low risk and which have seen zero COVID cases for at least 14 days will emerge from lockdown at 12:01am Saturday 11 September.”
…snip…
“Stay-at-home orders will remain in place in the following LGAs:
Bathurst, Bega, Blayney, Bogan, Bourke, Brewarrina, Broken Hill, Cabonne, Central Coast, Central Darling, Cessnock, Dubbo, Dungog, Eurobodalla, Forbes, Gilgandra, Goulburn, Mulwarre, Kiama, Lake Macquarie, Lithgow, Maitland, Mid-Coast, Mid-Western, Muswellbrook, Narrabri, Narromine, Newcastle, Orange, Parkes, Port Stephens, Queanbeyan-Palerang, Shellharbour, Shoalhaven, Singleton, Snowy Monaro, Upper Hunter, Walgett, Wingecarribee.”
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No precise indication about which LGA’s are coming out of lockdown on Saturday. Presumably, if your LGA is not on that list, you will be freed up somewhat.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/covid-live-blog-nsw-press-conference-victoria-lockdown/100443788
ChrispenEvan said:
Why are we seeing more COVID cases in fully vaccinated people? An expert explains
artfully writ that is, to its end
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Why are we seeing more COVID cases in fully vaccinated people? An expert explains
artfully writ that is, to its end
So you think it’s deliberately misleading?
More lunacy:
Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Why are we seeing more COVID cases in fully vaccinated people? An expert explains
artfully writ that is, to its end
So you think it’s deliberately misleading?
no I wouldn’t say that, but more to your inquiry, the flavor of it, minds are misleading, thoughts are quite naturally, a resource that doesn’t go unexploited
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Why are we seeing more COVID cases in fully vaccinated people? An expert explains
artfully writ that is, to its end
Is that a compliment?
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:artfully writ that is, to its end
So you think it’s deliberately misleading?
no I wouldn’t say that, but more to your inquiry, the flavor of it, minds are misleading, thoughts are quite naturally, a resource that doesn’t go unexploited
LOL, gobbledegook.
Bubblecar said:
More lunacy:Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
No. This would be bad.
Bubblecar said:
More lunacy:Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
Just the one Catholic in Tasmania? Or the lotta ‘em? If it’s just one, then they can tell ‘em to GAGF. Matter of fact, even if it’s all of ‘em they can GAGF.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
More lunacy:Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
No. This would be bad.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
More lunacy:Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
No. This would be bad.
Everyone has a “good reason” why they should be except.
Yes. I demand to be exempt. I am allergic to inconvenience.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
More lunacy:Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
Just the one Catholic in Tasmania? Or the lotta ‘em? If it’s just one, then they can tell ‘em to GAGF. Matter of fact, even if it’s all of ‘em they can GAGF.
^
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:No. This would be bad.
Everyone has a “good reason” why they should be except.Yes. I demand to be exempt. I am allergic to inconvenience.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
More lunacy:Tasmanian Catholic call for priests with ‘conscientious objection’ to COVID vaccines to be allowed into aged care
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/catholic-call-to-exempt-priests-from-tas-vaccine-mandate/100446200
Just the one Catholic in Tasmania? Or the lotta ‘em? If it’s just one, then they can tell ‘em to GAGF. Matter of fact, even if it’s all of ‘em they can GAGF.
Yep.
ChrispenEvan said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So you think it’s deliberately misleading?
no I wouldn’t say that, but more to your inquiry, the flavor of it, minds are misleading, thoughts are quite naturally, a resource that doesn’t go unexploited
LOL, gobbledegook.
i’ll get back to this later, we can go through it together, for education purposes
starting from the top….
https://theconversation.com/why-are-we-seeing-more-covid-cases-in-fully-vaccinated-people-an-expert-explains-166741
“…A breakthrough infection is when someone tests positive for COVID after being fully vaccinated, regardless of symptoms….”
that’s ^ actually a clinically detected infection, presumably many go undetected, so a breakthrough infection also might include infections that go undetected, in fact the reality is all breakthrough infections that are detected exist unverified for some period before clinical detection, but they still broke through
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
transition said:no I wouldn’t say that, but more to your inquiry, the flavor of it, minds are misleading, thoughts are quite naturally, a resource that doesn’t go unexploited
LOL, gobbledegook.
i’ll get back to this later, we can go through it together, for education purposes
starting from the top….
https://theconversation.com/why-are-we-seeing-more-covid-cases-in-fully-vaccinated-people-an-expert-explains-166741
“…A breakthrough infection is when someone tests positive for COVID after being fully vaccinated, regardless of symptoms….”that’s ^ actually a clinically detected infection, presumably many go undetected, so a breakthrough infection also might include infections that go undetected, in fact the reality is all breakthrough infections that are detected exist unverified for some period before clinical detection, but they still broke through
Seems a bit of a pedantic distinction there to me.
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
transition said:no I wouldn’t say that, but more to your inquiry, the flavor of it, minds are misleading, thoughts are quite naturally, a resource that doesn’t go unexploited
LOL, gobbledegook.
i’ll get back to this later, we can go through it together, for education purposes
starting from the top….
https://theconversation.com/why-are-we-seeing-more-covid-cases-in-fully-vaccinated-people-an-expert-explains-166741
“…A breakthrough infection is when someone tests positive for COVID after being fully vaccinated, regardless of symptoms….”that’s ^ actually a clinically detected infection, presumably many go undetected, so a breakthrough infection also might include infections that go undetected, in fact the reality is all breakthrough infections that are detected exist unverified for some period before clinical detection, but they still broke through
Yes undetected breakthrough infections can happily go around infecting other people because they don’t realise they are infected and are not sick.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:LOL, gobbledegook.
i’ll get back to this later, we can go through it together, for education purposes
starting from the top….
https://theconversation.com/why-are-we-seeing-more-covid-cases-in-fully-vaccinated-people-an-expert-explains-166741
“…A breakthrough infection is when someone tests positive for COVID after being fully vaccinated, regardless of symptoms….”that’s ^ actually a clinically detected infection, presumably many go undetected, so a breakthrough infection also might include infections that go undetected, in fact the reality is all breakthrough infections that are detected exist unverified for some period before clinical detection, but they still broke through
Seems a bit of a pedantic distinction there to me.
depends, some may or may not be inclined to see covid correctness if you will, right thinking for the purpose of living with covid
correct thoughts, correct views regard, the language where that is at work that doesn’t incline thoughts that contradict it, contradict the message
I mean if I said large part of the endothelial plague is delivered and acceptance inclined (normalization is) by way of playing down transmission by vaccinated people, that would be a view that contradicts covid correctness, and vaccine correctness
contradicting it is something like openly advocating devil worship at a presbyterian church service
The State of NSW wants a fourth case, launched by a man named Sergey Naumenko, summarily dismissed on the grounds it is “misconceived”. “There are just so many problems with this case, it’s difficult to know where to start,” barrister Jeremy Kirk SC, for the State, said. “There’s no named defendant. There is no articulated legal claim. “Rather, there is just a set of aspirational orders which to a significant extent are entirely misconceived, such as … that the plaintiff and his immediate family be exempted from microchipping.” Mr Naumenko, who was representing himself, protested and questioned on what grounds the case could be dismissed.
SCIENCE said:
The State of NSW wants a fourth case, launched by a man named Sergey Naumenko, summarily dismissed on the grounds it is “misconceived”. “There are just so many problems with this case, it’s difficult to know where to start,” barrister Jeremy Kirk SC, for the State, said. “There’s no named defendant. There is no articulated legal claim. “Rather, there is just a set of aspirational orders which to a significant extent are entirely misconceived, such as … that the plaintiff and his immediate family be exempted from microchipping.” Mr Naumenko, who was representing himself, protested and questioned on what grounds the case could be dismissed.
With a name like Sergey Naumenko I expect he’s been under surveillance for some time.
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:i’ll get back to this later, we can go through it together, for education purposes
starting from the top….
https://theconversation.com/why-are-we-seeing-more-covid-cases-in-fully-vaccinated-people-an-expert-explains-166741
“…A breakthrough infection is when someone tests positive for COVID after being fully vaccinated, regardless of symptoms….”that’s ^ actually a clinically detected infection, presumably many go undetected, so a breakthrough infection also might include infections that go undetected, in fact the reality is all breakthrough infections that are detected exist unverified for some period before clinical detection, but they still broke through
Seems a bit of a pedantic distinction there to me.
depends, some may or may not be inclined to see covid correctness if you will, right thinking for the purpose of living with covid
correct thoughts, correct views regard, the language where that is at work that doesn’t incline thoughts that contradict it, contradict the message
I mean if I said large part of the endothelial plague is delivered and acceptance inclined (normalization is) by way of playing down transmission by vaccinated people, that would be a view that contradicts covid correctness, and vaccine correctness
contradicting it is something like openly advocating devil worship at a presbyterian church service
I’m not exactly clear where you are going with this but I’ll guess and say that public health measures (such as social distancing, the wearing of masks, the use or check-in apps, etc..) will still be used in a post 80% vaxed Australia. In fact it’s likely that unvaxed persons will have fewer freedoms, and will have fewer opportunities, to directly interact with the broader population once we reach this target. It’s also abundantly clear that localised travel bans will be in place for hot-spot areas and that stay-at-home orders will also very likely be used to help control hospitalisation rates.
diddly-squat said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Seems a bit of a pedantic distinction there to me.
depends, some may or may not be inclined to see covid correctness if you will, right thinking for the purpose of living with covid
correct thoughts, correct views regard, the language where that is at work that doesn’t incline thoughts that contradict it, contradict the message
I mean if I said large part of the endothelial plague is delivered and acceptance inclined (normalization is) by way of playing down transmission by vaccinated people, that would be a view that contradicts covid correctness, and vaccine correctness
contradicting it is something like openly advocating devil worship at a presbyterian church service
I’m not exactly clear where you are going with this but I’ll guess and say that public health measures (such as social distancing, the wearing of masks, the use or check-in apps, etc..) will still be used in a post 80% vaxed Australia. In fact it’s likely that unvaxed persons will have fewer freedoms, and will have fewer opportunities, to directly interact with the broader population once we reach this target. It’s also abundantly clear that localised travel bans will be in place for hot-spot areas and that stay-at-home orders will also very likely be used to help control hospitalisation rates.
I haven’t any plans for the the entirety of Australia, it would seem immodest to the point of something worse, to roll out the endothelial plague, the continent is still divided into States etc in defiance of the want for same everywhere by some
transition said:
diddly-squat said:
transition said:
depends, some may or may not be inclined to see covid correctness if you will, right thinking for the purpose of living with covid
correct thoughts, correct views regard, the language where that is at work that doesn’t incline thoughts that contradict it, contradict the message
I mean if I said large part of the endothelial plague is delivered and acceptance inclined (normalization is) by way of playing down transmission by vaccinated people, that would be a view that contradicts covid correctness, and vaccine correctness
contradicting it is something like openly advocating devil worship at a presbyterian church service
I’m not exactly clear where you are going with this but I’ll guess and say that public health measures (such as social distancing, the wearing of masks, the use or check-in apps, etc..) will still be used in a post 80% vaxed Australia. In fact it’s likely that unvaxed persons will have fewer freedoms, and will have fewer opportunities, to directly interact with the broader population once we reach this target. It’s also abundantly clear that localised travel bans will be in place for hot-spot areas and that stay-at-home orders will also very likely be used to help control hospitalisation rates.
I haven’t any plans for the the entirety of Australia, it would seem immodest to the point of something worse, to roll out the endothelial plague, the continent is still divided into States etc in defiance of the want for same everywhere by some
it seems pretty much everyone agrees that essentially a zero community transmission situation would result in more freedoms for more people than Living With COVID® so obviously it’s the interest of authoritarian governments to ensure ForeverCOVID™ is the endgame
SCIENCE said:
transition said:diddly-squat said:
I’m not exactly clear where you are going with this but I’ll guess and say that public health measures (such as social distancing, the wearing of masks, the use or check-in apps, etc..) will still be used in a post 80% vaxed Australia. In fact it’s likely that unvaxed persons will have fewer freedoms, and will have fewer opportunities, to directly interact with the broader population once we reach this target. It’s also abundantly clear that localised travel bans will be in place for hot-spot areas and that stay-at-home orders will also very likely be used to help control hospitalisation rates.
I haven’t any plans for the the entirety of Australia, it would seem immodest to the point of something worse, to roll out the endothelial plague, the continent is still divided into States etc in defiance of the want for same everywhere by some
it seems pretty much everyone agrees that essentially a zero community transmission situation would result in more freedoms for more people than Living With COVID® so obviously it’s the interest of authoritarian governments to ensure ForeverCOVID™ is the endgame
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:I haven’t any plans for the the entirety of Australia, it would seem immodest to the point of something worse, to roll out the endothelial plague, the continent is still divided into States etc in defiance of the want for same everywhere by some
it seems pretty much everyone agrees that essentially a zero community transmission situation would result in more freedoms for more people than Living With COVID® so obviously it’s the interest of authoritarian governments to ensure ForeverCOVID™ is the endgame
The cat is out of the bag in NSW and Victoria and vaccination campaigns will probably reach milestones before community transmission is suppressed so living with COVID is probably inevitable in those states. What remains is how quickly they will allow greater freedoms for the vaccinated while keeping an eye on deaths and the politics of it.
My reading of Gladys and Dan is that they will, very quickly, move to ease restrictions in their states upon reaching the 80% threshold.. this will include allowing travellers from other states to enter as well as allowing more international travellers. From there they will aim to manage hospitalisations through continued (home) isolation and testing for close contacts as well as localised travel restrictions and stay-at-home orders..
The question remaining will be, how long will it take other states to catch them up and match the strategy. All this aside, it’s going to make for a very interesting election in May, when it’s likely we’ll be Israel-ing it up by then
…
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:it seems pretty much everyone agrees that essentially a zero community transmission situation would result in more freedoms for more people than Living With COVID® so obviously it’s the interest of authoritarian governments to ensure ForeverCOVID™ is the endgame
The cat is out of the bag in NSW and Victoria and vaccination campaigns will probably reach milestones before community transmission is suppressed so living with COVID is probably inevitable in those states. What remains is how quickly they will allow greater freedoms for the vaccinated while keeping an eye on deaths and the politics of it.
My reading of Gladys and Dan is that they will, very quickly, move to ease restrictions in their states upon reaching the 80% threshold.. this will include allowing travellers from other states to enter as well as allowing more international travellers. From there they will aim to manage hospitalisations through continued (home) isolation and testing for close contacts as well as localised travel restrictions and stay-at-home orders..
The question remaining will be, how long will it take other states to catch them up and match the strategy. All this aside, it’s going to make for a very interesting election in May, when it’s likely we’ll be Israel-ing it up by then
…
which is why I think they will go earlier. If they can.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:it seems pretty much everyone agrees that essentially a zero community transmission situation would result in more freedoms for more people than Living With COVID® so obviously it’s the interest of authoritarian governments to ensure ForeverCOVID™ is the endgame
The cat is out of the bag in NSW and Victoria and vaccination campaigns will probably reach milestones before community transmission is suppressed so living with COVID is probably inevitable in those states. What remains is how quickly they will allow greater freedoms for the vaccinated while keeping an eye on deaths and the politics of it.
My reading of Gladys and Dan is that they will, very quickly, move to ease restrictions in their states upon reaching the 80% threshold.. this will include allowing travellers from other states to enter as well as allowing more international travellers. From there they will aim to manage hospitalisations through continued (home) isolation and testing for close contacts as well as localised travel restrictions and stay-at-home orders..
The question remaining will be, how long will it take other states to catch them up and match the strategy. All this aside, it’s going to make for a very interesting election in May, when it’s likely we’ll be Israel-ing it up by then
…
they don’t know how many will need be killed and maimed, what the course is really, what the future holds, what the cost of the living-with-covid-liberty will be, one thing you can be sure of is that if you’ve been locked up for a long time you’d take it in the rear to get out
it’s certainly not like the seasonal flu, I totally reject the comparison as if they are that similar, I think that a deception
I won’t be voting for anything that goes near that way of seeing it, and i’ll be very circumspect of any expediency with retrospective license regard that even in the context of vaccines substantially improving
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The cat is out of the bag in NSW and Victoria and vaccination campaigns will probably reach milestones before community transmission is suppressed so living with COVID is probably inevitable in those states. What remains is how quickly they will allow greater freedoms for the vaccinated while keeping an eye on deaths and the politics of it.
My reading of Gladys and Dan is that they will, very quickly, move to ease restrictions in their states upon reaching the 80% threshold.. this will include allowing travellers from other states to enter as well as allowing more international travellers. From there they will aim to manage hospitalisations through continued (home) isolation and testing for close contacts as well as localised travel restrictions and stay-at-home orders..
The question remaining will be, how long will it take other states to catch them up and match the strategy. All this aside, it’s going to make for a very interesting election in May, when it’s likely we’ll be Israel-ing it up by then
…which is why I think they will go earlier. If they can.
If the country opens up at Christmas time – which I expect it will.. there will be a slow increase Jan and Feb, but from there Mar, Apr, May will be a shit show for rising case numbers which will freak a lot of people out.
The only time they could go earlier would be Nov, other then that they wouldn’t be able to go again until after Easter. there is a non-zero chance that they hold a 1/2 senate election in May and stave off the house vote until September next year.
VB launches new ad encouraging Aussies to get the jab
Victoria Bitter will evoke the spirit of its famous anthem to encourage Australians to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/health/vb-launches-new-ad-encouraging-aussies-to-get-the-jab/cktcex4nv000r0ho2t17l98tz
Unsurprisingly, Morrison lying yet again.
Spiny Norman said:
Unsurprisingly, Morrison lying yet again.
but isn’t it true, New Zealand has lower vaccination coverage than Australia right
oh Israel wait right how are they going
Nice Balanced Factual Report Here
Delta Covid variant and children: transmission in kids is low and only 2% hospitalised
“Many of these were for social reasons – particularly ill parents not being able to care for children – so hospitalisation statistics do not provide a good marker of severity,” she said. “Although severe illness from Covid-19 is rare in children, children are affected by illness in their family members, and by social restrictions causing impacts on education and mental health.”
“These results should give confidence to families, schools and the community that we have robust evidence on how the Delta variant behaves in children and educational settings,” she said.
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yes, robust evidence on how it’s pretty much just a mild ‘flu’ and we’re all saved oh wait
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/Influenza/Pages/young-children-flu-immun-evidence.aspx
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incidentally
“There are however long-term consequences of lack of access to education; for example, the loss of one-third of a school year of learning has been estimated to reduce future earned income of the affected students by about 3%,” the report said.
You know how
well then imagine if these fucking lazy students stopped taking holidays all the time, and did their full gain of one-third of a school year of learning, then it should increase future earned income of the hardworking students by about 3% compounded 13 times, we report.
Fuck, just abolish school holidays, and the Economy Must Grow by a full 50% amazing¡
This Communist Claims To Be A Doctor
Denmark seems to be going well with the reopening.
poikilotherm said:
Denmark seems to be going well with the reopening.
Deaths have been low since April.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
Denmark seems to be going well with the reopening.
Deaths have been low since April.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
Whereas Israel is doing another deaths peak as the case numbers go up again
buffy said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
Denmark seems to be going well with the reopening.
Deaths have been low since April.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
Whereas Israel is doing another deaths peak as the case numbers go up again
Thanks buffy.
Mind if i do another worldometer vs OurWorldInData. New cases in Australia.
Worldometer – at or passed the peak.
2/9 1452
3/9 1645
4/9 1741
5/9 1458
6/9 1545
7/9 1474
8/9 1690
OurWorldInData
2/9 1648
3/9 1741
4/9 1670
5/9 1536
6/9 1466
7/9 1696
8/9 1725
Not a match. Which is correct according to our nightly news?
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
buffy said:Deaths have been low since April.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
Whereas Israel is doing another deaths peak as the case numbers go up again
Thanks buffy.
Mind if i do another worldometer vs OurWorldInData. New cases in Australia.
Worldometer – at or passed the peak.
2/9 1452
3/9 1645
4/9 1741
5/9 1458
6/9 1545
7/9 1474
8/9 1690
OurWorldInData
2/9 1648
3/9 1741
4/9 1670
5/9 1536
6/9 1466
7/9 1696
8/9 1725Not a match. Which is correct according to our nightly news?
Different states have different cut-off times for reporting. Different data aggregators do too.
Michael V said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:Whereas Israel is doing another deaths peak as the case numbers go up again
Thanks buffy.
Mind if i do another worldometer vs OurWorldInData. New cases in Australia.
Worldometer – at or passed the peak.
2/9 1452
3/9 1645
4/9 1741
5/9 1458
6/9 1545
7/9 1474
8/9 1690
OurWorldInData
2/9 1648
3/9 1741
4/9 1670
5/9 1536
6/9 1466
7/9 1696
8/9 1725Not a match. Which is correct according to our nightly news?
Different states have different cut-off times for reporting. Different data aggregators do too.
Sort of. But Australia seems to only report once a day, with each stare reporting at close to the same time.
Tell These Idealists Idiots They’re Dreaming
Nah don’t worry they actually support ForeverCOVID.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/
#allwelcome #allwelcomehere #jabornojab #wewillnotbedivided #supportfamilybusiness #supportlocal #supportlocalbusiness #supporthospitality #supportyourpub #wesupportyourdecision #wesupportyourchoice
Public health experts have expressed concern about NSW’s road map to reopening its economy, which they say appears to have been driven by industry rather than consideration of the state’s stretched hospital system.
SCIENCE said:
Public health experts have expressed concern about NSW’s road map to reopening its economy, which they say appears to have been driven by industry rather than consideration of the state’s stretched hospital system.
Colour me shocked. …As shocked as an Emu pissing on an electric fence.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Public health experts have expressed concern about NSW’s road map to reopening its economy, which they say appears to have been driven by industry rather than consideration of the state’s stretched hospital system.
Colour me shocked. …As shocked as an Emu pissing on an electric fence.
^
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Public health experts have expressed concern about NSW’s road map to reopening its economy, which they say appears to have been driven by industry rather than consideration of the state’s stretched hospital system.
Colour me shocked. …As shocked as an Emu pissing on an electric fence.
Birds don’t produce urine.
:-)
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Public health experts have expressed concern about NSW’s road map to reopening its economy, which they say appears to have been driven by industry rather than consideration of the state’s stretched hospital system.
Colour me shocked. …As shocked as an Emu pissing on an electric fence.
Birds don’t produce urine.
:-)
I know :p
SCIENCE said:
Tell TheseIdealistsIdiots They’re DreamingNah don’t worry they actually support ForeverCOVID.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/
read that last page, you don’t learn much from it about covid’s affinity for endothelial cells, and the dangers of that
SCIENCE said:
This Communist Claims To Be A Doctor
that was a good read, seriously
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/poorer-australians-four-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-19/100448564
Just popped down to the bakery. They are doing sit-down outdoors only. You are only allowed 10 people indoors, so if they put people at the tables indoors, they can’t do the takeaway trade.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/victoria-records-334-new-local-covid-cases-and-one-death/100449084
Speaking to one of the local ladies yesterday, she said the kids are going back to school, but she’s been told it is for child minding, as it would give them an advantage over the city kids if they were taught. This seems odd to me. I think she must have that wrong. The school buses have been running here anyway, as the farm kids have been going to school. Their parents can’t supervise them and be out in the paddocks and it’s a very busy time at the moment with lambing and stuff.
https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-australia-how-will-they-work-and-what-will-you-need-them-for-167531
https://theconversation.com/were-sick-of-covid-so-government-messaging-needs-to-change-if-its-to-cut-through-166891
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/were-sick-of-covid-so-government-messaging-needs-to-change-if-its-to-cut-through-166891
Does it though?
WOO HOO!! 😎
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/were-sick-of-covid-so-government-messaging-needs-to-change-if-its-to-cut-through-166891
read some of that, i’d expect the fatigue is caused by, largely, the totality of measures not reducing the risks
meaning the totality of measures is resulting in an increased number of infections
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
shopped.
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/were-sick-of-covid-so-government-messaging-needs-to-change-if-its-to-cut-through-166891
read some of that, i’d expect the fatigue is caused by, largely, the totality of measures not reducing the risks
meaning the totality of measures is resulting in an increased number of infections
is it? or have the measured reduced the number of infections that would have happened with them.
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
Good one.
Gladys, please release Woodie!
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/were-sick-of-covid-so-government-messaging-needs-to-change-if-its-to-cut-through-166891
read some of that, i’d expect the fatigue is caused by, largely, the totality of measures not reducing the risks
meaning the totality of measures is resulting in an increased number of infections
the mitigating measures that been put in place have clearly and significantly reduced the risk on infection..
I suspect fatigue here is more about the fact that the ‘news of covid’ , that being just mention of it in the news, has been all encompassing for almost two years now.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
shopped.
Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
ChrispenEvan said:
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theconversation.com/were-sick-of-covid-so-government-messaging-needs-to-change-if-its-to-cut-through-166891
read some of that, i’d expect the fatigue is caused by, largely, the totality of measures not reducing the risks
meaning the totality of measures is resulting in an increased number of infections
is it? or have the measures reduced the number of infections that would have happened with(out) them.
better
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
shopped.
Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
transition said:read some of that, i’d expect the fatigue is caused by, largely, the totality of measures not reducing the risks
meaning the totality of measures is resulting in an increased number of infections
is it? or have the measures reduced the number of infections that would have happened with(out) them.
better
In that case, yes.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:shopped.
Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
I’m not bothered. We pay the cops to do all that stuff. Why do I have to do legwork that I’ve paid them to do?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
I’m not bothered. We pay the cops to do all that stuff. Why do I have to do legwork that I’ve paid them to do?
Sorry – you pay the cops to forge immunisation certificates??
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
I’m not bothered. We pay the cops to do all that stuff. Why do I have to do legwork that I’ve paid them to do?
Sorry – you pay the cops to forge immunisation certificates??
I mean, check all that stuff. Why do I need to carry a certificate?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
I’m not bothered. We pay the cops to do all that stuff. Why do I have to do legwork that I’ve paid them to do?
You pay the cops to forge certificates for you?
I’m not sure it’s a good idea to admit to that in public.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
transition said:read some of that, i’d expect the fatigue is caused by, largely, the totality of measures not reducing the risks
meaning the totality of measures is resulting in an increased number of infections
is it? or have the measures reduced the number of infections that would have happened with(out) them.
better
the totality of measures in NSW have included a plan to live with covid, so they got more covid
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
“I’M FREE” – Wilberforce Clayborne Humphries.
Lockdown round my parts gets turned off at midnight tonight. 😎
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
“I’M FREE” – Wilberforce Clayborne Humphries.
Lockdown round my parts gets turned off at midnight tonight. 😎
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:I’m not bothered. We pay the cops to do all that stuff. Why do I have to do legwork that I’ve paid them to do?
Sorry – you pay the cops to forge immunisation certificates??
I mean, check all that stuff. Why do I need to carry a certificate?
Fer cry’s sake, they know I’m not a drug dealer. Which basically means they know all they need to know.
Woohoo
Annastacia Unspellable has just said that border restrictions will be eased for those who can show proof of having had at least one course of invermectin.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
WOO HOO!! 😎
“I’M FREE” – Wilberforce Clayborne Humphries.
Lockdown round my parts gets turned off at midnight tonight. 😎
Me too.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woohoo
Annastacia Unspellable has just said that border restrictions will be eased for those who can show proof of having had at least one course of invermectin.
Are you sure that wasn’t forged by the UAP?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Sorry – you pay the cops to forge immunisation certificates??
I mean, check all that stuff. Why do I need to carry a certificate?
Fer cry’s sake, they know I’m not a drug dealer. Which basically means they know all they need to know.
I have no idea what your point is.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:shopped.
Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
Course they can. It’s a PDF. No “bit cluey” needed.
Woodie’s finally been certified.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:I mean, check all that stuff. Why do I need to carry a certificate?
Fer cry’s sake, they know I’m not a drug dealer. Which basically means they know all they need to know.
I have no idea what your point is.
My point is, why keep records if they don’t add up to anything?
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie’s finally been certified.
Though it has been common knowledge all along.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Fer cry’s sake, they know I’m not a drug dealer. Which basically means they know all they need to know.
I have no idea what your point is.
My point is, why keep records if they don’t add up to anything?
The paper version isn’t really needed (and is easily forged) but a phone app for entry to various venues is certainly on the cards.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I have no idea what your point is.
My point is, why keep records if they don’t add up to anything?
The paper version isn’t really needed (and is easily forged) but a phone app for entry to various venues is certainly on the cards.
Nothing on paper lasts longer than five years other than the shyte penned by Presidents of the USA.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie’s finally been certified.
Ha!
“NSW: Daily press conferences to stop from Monday
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conferences will cease from Monday.
Instead, NSW Health staff will deliver video updates and politicians will “intermittently hold press conferences as required”.”
————————————————————————————————————————
Too much heat emanating from Gladys’s poor early decisions?
————————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100448850
Peak Warming Man said:
Woohoo
Annastacia Unspellable has just said that border restrictions will be eased for those who can show proof of having had at least one course of invermectin.
neigh
Gladys is cancelling the daily press conferences ..
lol
NSW: 1,542 new cases and nine deaths in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
It’s a new daily record for an Australian jurisdiction.
———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
And information direct to the public, finishes Monday? You’ve go to be kidding me, Gladys!
———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100448850
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie’s finally been certified.
at the Governor’s pleasure too.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie’s finally been certified.
Though it has been common knowledge all along.
There’s nothing common about my knowledge. 😁
Michael V said:
NSW: 1,542 new cases and nine deaths in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
It’s a new daily record for an Australian jurisdiction.
———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
And information direct to the public, finishes Monday? You’ve go to be kidding me, Gladys!
———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
be honest, was the gutless spin marketing a useful format, was it happy times hearing about how almost nobody died but it was pre-existing old decrepits
whether they’ll replace it with something more useful hard to know but history suggests
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:shopped.
Not too sure what all the fuss is about.
10 mins after my 2nd jab, Got an email from MyGov to say it was all done and dusted and my cert was available.
There was a report on my ABC this morning that these certificates can be quite readily forged, for those a bit cluey with the technology.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-09-10/covid-19-vaccination-certificate-can-be-easily-forged/100441774
Michael V said:
“NSW: Daily press conferences to stop from Monday
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conferences will cease from Monday.
Instead, NSW Health staff will deliver video updates and politicians will “intermittently hold press conferences as required”.”
————————————————————————————————————————
Too much heat emanating from Gladys’s poor early decisions?
————————————————————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100448850
Everyone is over listening.
The message needs to come from the top.
Short
not so sweet
but succinct.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie’s finally been certified.
Though it has been common knowledge all along.
There’s nothing common about my knowledge. 😁
Nor mine. 😁
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie’s finally been certified.
Though it has been common knowledge all along.
There’s nothing common about my knowledge. 😁
I doubt there is anything I know that thousands of others also know, whether individually or collectively.
ChrispenEvan said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Though it has been common knowledge all along.
There’s nothing common about my knowledge. 😁
I doubt there is anything I know that thousands of others also know, whether individually or collectively.
Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Woodie said:There’s nothing common about my knowledge. 😁
I doubt there is anything I know that thousands of others also know, whether individually or collectively.
Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
‘Humanitarian crisis’ in western NSW, as government COVID response slammed
I thought this was a “humanitarian crisis”
Gladys has decided that her work is done.
The virus has been let loose, eventually to run rampant in all corners of the country, many will suffer terribly and the expendables will die, and then we can all get back to consuming, being silent, and dying of other causes. And there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
So, there’s no need for press conferences any more. Everyone knows what they need to know about how things will be from this point onwards i.e. we’re f***ed.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Woodie said:There’s nothing common about my knowledge. 😁
I doubt there is anything I know that thousands of others also know, whether individually or collectively.
Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
captain_spalding said:
Gladys has decided that her work is done.The virus has been let loose, eventually to run rampant in all corners of the country, many will suffer terribly and the expendables will die, and then we can all get back to consuming, being silent, and dying of other causes. And there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
So, there’s no need for press conferences any more. Everyone knows what they need to know about how things will be from this point onwards i.e. we’re f***ed.
Nods.
Woodie said:
‘Humanitarian crisis’ in western NSW, as government COVID response slammedI thought this was a “humanitarian crisis”
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:I doubt there is anything I know that thousands of others also know, whether individually or collectively.
Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
My knowledge is uncommon. So uncommon that’s it’s rare.
captain_spalding said:
Gladys has decided that her work is done.The virus has been let loose, eventually to run rampant in all corners of the country, many will suffer terribly and the expendables will die, and then we can all get back to consuming, being silent, and dying of other causes. And there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
So, there’s no need for press conferences any more. Everyone knows what they need to know about how things will be from this point onwards i.e. we’re f***ed.
Let us face it. If you parsed her previous press announcements, you could easlily have come to this conclusion.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:I doubt there is anything I know that thousands of others also know, whether individually or collectively.
Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
You had trouble with it at the time, if I recall.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
My knowledge is uncommon. So uncommon that’s it’s rare.
:) I have often asked, If it is so common, how come nobody seems to be aware?
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
You had trouble with it at the time, if I recall.
trouble with what?
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Lets take that up over the six million plants thing, mathematically like?
what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
My knowledge is uncommon. So uncommon that’s it’s rare.
what knowledge is this?
MV should probably not read this…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/sydney-tree-loppers-arrested-for-returning-to-nsw-hunter-region/100450322
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
You had trouble with it at the time, if I recall.
trouble with what?
Me having transplanted six million.
I’ve actually still done a few hundred thousand.
numbers.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:You had trouble with it at the time, if I recall.
trouble with what?
Me having transplanted six million.
I’ve actually still done a few hundred thousand.numbers.
and what has this to do with common knowledge?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Gladys has decided that her work is done.The virus has been let loose, eventually to run rampant in all corners of the country, many will suffer terribly and the expendables will die, and then we can all get back to consuming, being silent, and dying of other causes. And there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
So, there’s no need for press conferences any more. Everyone knows what they need to know about how things will be from this point onwards i.e. we’re f***ed.
Let us face it. If you parsed her previous press announcements, you could easlily have come to this conclusion.
^
cover provided for Marketing, end of story
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:You had trouble with it at the time, if I recall.
trouble with what?
Me having transplanted six million.
I’ve actually still done a few hundred thousand.numbers.
Point being that numbers awareness isn’t as common as it should be since most of us were drummed with that rote.
Common Knowledge
What you don’t have to cite
You don’t have to cite some things because they’re common knowledge and are not considered the work of any particular person.
Examples of common knowledge are:
There are four seasons in the year.
There 365 days in a year.
The U.S. entered World War II after the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
The state bird of Georgia is the brown thrasher.
How can you tell if something is common knowledge?
Common knowledge is information that the majority of people either know or can find in a number of sources. Common knowledge is factual information that is beyond dispute. Sure, you might not remember (or ever have known) what Georgia’s state bird is, but you can easily look it up in an almanac, encyclopedia, the state’s Web site, or other resource.
If you’re not sure whether something is common knowledge or not, go ahead and provide a reference for it.
ChrispenEvan said:
If you’re not sure whether something is common knowledge or not, go ahead and provide a reference for it.
Everything other than sports and entertainment.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:trouble with what?
Me having transplanted six million.
I’ve actually still done a few hundred thousand.numbers.
Point being that numbers awareness isn’t as common as it should be since most of us were drummed with that rote.
How many of us bother with the otherwise commony known fact that our numbers eventually run down like a mainspring nobody has the remaining strength to wind?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Me having transplanted six million.
I’ve actually still done a few hundred thousand.numbers.
Point being that numbers awareness isn’t as common as it should be since most of us were drummed with that rote.
How many of us bother with the otherwise commony known fact that our numbers eventually run down like a mainspring nobody has the remaining strength to wind?
l
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:what that has to do with common knowledge I don’t know.
My knowledge is uncommon. So uncommon that’s it’s rare.
what knowledge is this?
I don’t know.
buffy said:
MV should probably not read this…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/sydney-tree-loppers-arrested-for-returning-to-nsw-hunter-region/100450322
Too late. I did, earlier.
Grrrrrrr.
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.
The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.
Is that cant be still here person, still causing us pain?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
yeah eighteen months of planning for living with covid, wasn’t approved, wasn’t legal
my opinion
transition said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
yeah eighteen months of planning for living with covid, wasn’t approved, wasn’t legal
my opinion
Can’t argue.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Is that cant be still here person, still causing us pain?
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Is that cant be still here person, still causing us pain?
Why without my apostrophe, is he still here
?
FFs, his should have been another port of call?
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.
John Laws is still on the wireless?
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.John Laws is still on the wireless?
That is the question I tried to ask.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.
Holy Shit is John Laws still going?
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.John Laws is still on the wireless?
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.John Laws is still on the wireless?
Yes. I don’t know whch station he is on. A Sydney one I think.
Trouble about wireless, is you seem to have difficulty cutting the wires, these days.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:John Laws is still on the wireless?
Yes. I don’t know whch station he is on. A Sydney one I think.Trouble about wireless, is you seem to have difficulty cutting the wires, these days.
dv said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Holy Shit is John Laws still going?
Looks up…
Joe Biden was in junior high school when Laws started his radio career.
you want criticise ¿ then criticise this fool of a female leader
—
New Zealand has recorded 11 community cases of COVID-19
6 new cases are in managed isolation and 2 are historical cases. More than 61,000 vaccines were administered yesterday in NZ.
More on vaccination rates in NZ:
New Zealand is buying an extra 250,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine from Spain as it tries to keep a surge in vaccination rates going during an outbreak of the coronavirus in Auckland.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the doses would arrive today and a second, larger deal is in the works with another country.
New Zealand was slow to roll out vaccinations but has been catching up to other developed countries.
About 55 per cent of New Zealanders have now received at least one dose.
Auckland remains in a strict lockdown as health authorities try to extinguish the outbreak entirely.
—
hasn’t anyone told them, you need to let psychopaths in to play eventually
fsm said:
dv said:
Tamb said:Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Holy Shit is John Laws still going?
Looks like he’s been ‘ported to some land beyond the toyota bell?
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced the state’s daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conference will end from Monday, as the state recorded 1,542 new infections and nine deaths.The number of new cases is a new record for any Australian jurisdiction.
Instead of the daily briefing, NSW Health will publish daily videos outlining the latest information.
I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.
Is that the ghost of John Laws? If it isnt he has been being awful since I was oh so very young.
anyway bit obscene to call truth tell “criticise”, if that’s what it is then don’t blame the truth teller, consider why truth is criticism
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
dv said:Holy Shit is John Laws still going?
Looks like he’s been ‘ported to some land beyond the toyota bell?
Actually, you don’t really wanr to see what I look like today either.
SCIENCE said:
anyway bit obscene to call truth tell “criticise”, if that’s what it is then don’t blame the truth teller, consider why truth is criticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtBmdkQe4iU
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:I mean for fucks sake if anyone elses. Give Gladys a break. It is tough when everyone is criticising.
Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Is that the ghost of John Laws? If it isnt he has been being awful since I was oh so very young.
I heard Laws on the radio once about 1985 or 1986. He was doing a talkback show and someone made some reasonable point disagreeing with something he had said. Laws switched off the guy’s connection and went into a 5 minute tirade about what an idiot the was.
Haven’t listened to him since.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Is that the ghost of John Laws? If it isnt he has been being awful since I was oh so very young.
I heard Laws on the radio once about 1985 or 1986. He was doing a talkback show and someone made some reasonable point disagreeing with something he had said. Laws switched off the guy’s connection and went into a 5 minute tirade about what an idiot the was.
Haven’t listened to him since.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:Is that the ghost of John Laws? If it isnt he has been being awful since I was oh so very young.
I heard Laws on the radio once about 1985 or 1986. He was doing a talkback show and someone made some reasonable point disagreeing with something he had said. Laws switched off the guy’s connection and went into a 5 minute tirade about what an idiot the was.
Haven’t listened to him since.
He’s still the same, You’ve missed nothing.
Qaulity of observational technique notwithstanding.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:Afternoon all.
Not everyone is criticising. Listening to John Laws in the car on the way home from Cairns. He’s a major Gladys fanboi. Doesn’t have a good word to say for Annastacia Palaszczuk.
The fact that Vic has had 822 Covid deaths, NSW 209 & Qld 7 seems to have escaped his notice.Is that the ghost of John Laws? If it isnt he has been being awful since I was oh so very young.
I heard Laws on the radio once about 1985 or 1986. He was doing a talkback show and someone made some reasonable point disagreeing with something he had said. Laws switched off the guy’s connection and went into a 5 minute tirade about what an idiot the was.
Haven’t listened to him since.
Back in 75/6 I worked in a photographic studio where the boss listened to him every morning. In the dark. You couldn’t get away from it. also same music every day.
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.
Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Da fuq?
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Da fuq?
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Da fuq?
She says we all need to accept that we have to live covid.
As a Tasmanian I think she’s off.
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Doesn’t look like it’s peaking yet.
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Da fuq?
She says we all need to accept that we have to live covid.
As a Tasmanian I think she’s off.
Translation:
“Fuck this shit, it’s not what I signed up for!” “
fsm said:
try reducing the number of tests
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.
Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Da fuq?
She says we all need to accept that we have to live covid.
As a Tasmanian I think she’s off.
seems like she’s preparing for numbers blackout once reopening happens, to prevent “oh fuck” realisations
but surely surely it’s like those hollywood movies, you know, the moment you have the vaccine, the serum, the magic substance, then the pandemic is over and we can all celebrate
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
Da fuq?
She says we all need to accept that we have to live covid.
As a Tasmanian I think she’s off.
seems like she’s preparing for numbers blackout once reopening happens, to prevent “oh fuck” realisations
I see people are mentioning numbers,
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/victoria-records-334-new-local-covid-cases-and-one-death/100449084
she said the kids are going back to school, but she’s been told it is for child minding, as it would give them an advantage over the city kids if they were taught. This seems odd to me. I think she must have that wrong. The school buses have been running here anyway, as the farm kids have been going to school. Their parents can’t supervise them and be out in the paddocks
well being in and out of the education system you’d be astounded how much bullshit there is about making sure it’s “fair” as if deliberately slowing down the provision of education for students who are ahead is the best way to achieve equality or equity or maybe what they actually want is equipoise but fuck it
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210901-israel-starts-new-school-year-as-virus-cases-surge
coming soon to a NSWuhan near you
(mentioned before but updates)
SCIENCE said:
you want criticise ¿ then criticise this fool of a female leader
—
New Zealand has recorded 11 community cases of COVID-19
6 new cases are in managed isolation and 2 are historical cases. More than 61,000 vaccines were administered yesterday in NZ.
More on vaccination rates in NZ:
New Zealand is buying an extra 250,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine from Spain as it tries to keep a surge in vaccination rates going during an outbreak of the coronavirus in Auckland.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the doses would arrive today and a second, larger deal is in the works with another country.
New Zealand was slow to roll out vaccinations but has been catching up to other developed countries.
About 55 per cent of New Zealanders have now received at least one dose.
Auckland remains in a strict lockdown as health authorities try to extinguish the outbreak entirely.
—
hasn’t anyone told them, you need to let psychopaths in to play eventually
seems like this B.1.617.2 thing is pretty impossible to control
oh wait their vaccination thing that relies on Pfizer, remember how Australians relying on Pfizer would be slower, yeah about that
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.
A puzzle I noticed back in Apr 2020. There is a universal Covid curve for rate of rise and fall for number of new cases.
Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
We can quickly discard all the following hypotheses:
That sort of leaves only the possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives.
But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect, but I can see neither any biological reason nor any indication in the emidemiology data to suggest that that is what is actually happening. Another outside possibility is damage to the virus coat because of viruses being produced with the wrong volume or exhibiting the wrong extraneous proteins on its surface. eg. if the virus particle picks up more extraneous human proteins on its surface with every cell infected un til the surface is so loaded with extraneous proteins that it ceases to become infective.
The following is an example of the universal curve in action.
transition said:
LOL
we mean it could be worse, this is the USSA’s NSWuhan you see
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/victoria-records-334-new-local-covid-cases-and-one-death/100449084
she said the kids are going back to school, but she’s been told it is for child minding, as it would give them an advantage over the city kids if they were taught. This seems odd to me. I think she must have that wrong. The school buses have been running here anyway, as the farm kids have been going to school. Their parents can’t supervise them and be out in the paddockswell being in and out of the education system you’d be astounded how much bullshit there is about making sure it’s “fair” as if deliberately slowing down the provision of education for students who are ahead is the best way to achieve equality or equity or maybe what they actually want is equipoise but fuck it
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210901-israel-starts-new-school-year-as-virus-cases-surge
coming soon to a NSWuhan near you
(mentioned before but updates)
I’m talking about VIctorian, non-Melbourne/Shepp, kids.
mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.A puzzle I noticed back in Apr 2020. There is a universal Covid curve for rate of rise and fall for number of new cases.
Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
We can quickly discard all the following hypotheses:
- Improvements in medical care
- Social distancing and masks
- More testing
- Better quarantine
- Herd immunity
- Factors associated with personal or government wealth
That sort of leaves only the possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives.
But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect, but I can see neither any biological reason nor any indication in the emidemiology data to suggest that that is what is actually happening. Another outside possibility is damage to the virus coat because of viruses being produced with the wrong volume or exhibiting the wrong extraneous proteins on its surface. eg. if the virus particle picks up more extraneous human proteins on its surface with every cell infected un til the surface is so loaded with extraneous proteins that it ceases to become infective.
The following is an example of the universal curve in action.
My first thought would be a simple running out of susceptible people to infect.
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.A puzzle I noticed back in Apr 2020. There is a universal Covid curve for rate of rise and fall for number of new cases.
Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
We can quickly discard all the following hypotheses:
- Improvements in medical care
- Social distancing and masks
- More testing
- Better quarantine
- Herd immunity
- Factors associated with personal or government wealth
That sort of leaves only the possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives.
But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect, but I can see neither any biological reason nor any indication in the emidemiology data to suggest that that is what is actually happening. Another outside possibility is damage to the virus coat because of viruses being produced with the wrong volume or exhibiting the wrong extraneous proteins on its surface. eg. if the virus particle picks up more extraneous human proteins on its surface with every cell infected un til the surface is so loaded with extraneous proteins that it ceases to become infective.
The following is an example of the universal curve in action.
My first thought would be a simple running out of susceptible people to infect.
Or perhaps more accurately, running out of susceptible people who when infected exhibit symptoms (and are thus tested and counted)
mollwollfumble said:
(A) Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
(B) rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains
(C) possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives. But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect,
(D)
(A) Told y’all that 3 weeks in…
(B) See bottom.
© No. Also WTF do telomeres have to do with it¿
(D) The following simulation has literally zero special mitigating factors, it literally just lets the measles blow up and then saturate, with the rapid but not precipitous fall you describe. Note: it also shows that flock immunity doesn’t work.
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:(A) Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
(B) rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains
(C) possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives. But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect,
(D)
(A) Told y’all that 3 weeks in…
(B) See bottom.
© No. Also WTF do telomeres have to do with it¿
(D) The following simulation has literally zero special mitigating factors, it literally just lets the measles blow up and then saturate, with the rapid but not precipitous fall you describe. Note: it also shows that flock immunity doesn’t work.
Shortening of telomeres occurs with ageing and hence reduces the lifespan of the cell.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370421/
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Health Minister Brad Hazzard will stop giving daily coronavirus updates ahead of the anticipated peak in the state’s deepening Delta variant outbreak.Ms Berejiklian made the surprise announcement on Friday morning, as the state reported another 1,542 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths.
The premier has previously indicated she expected NSW’s COVID-19 crisis to peak in the coming weeks.
“Sunday will be the last day we officially do a press conference in this way but, from Monday at 11am, Health will provide a daily health update. Myself and Minister Hazzard, or any other relevant minister, will present to the community on a needs basis,” she told reporters in Sydney.
The announcement came a day after Ms Berejiklian unveiled the state’s reopening plan and so-called “roadmap to freedom”.
The move triggered an immediate backlash on social media, including from NSW Labor leader Chris Minns.
more..
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-berejiklian-to-stop-giving-daily-nsw-covid-19-updates-ahead-of-predicted-peak/4dd07c9d-e9db-4a05-af83-50e422186ba2
Da fuq?
She says we all need to accept that we have to live covid.
As a Tasmanian I think she’s off.
we do have to learn to live it, but in my opinion trying to avoid public scurrility isn’t the best way to do that
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.A puzzle I noticed back in Apr 2020. There is a universal Covid curve for rate of rise and fall for number of new cases.
Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
We can quickly discard all the following hypotheses:
- Improvements in medical care
- Social distancing and masks
- More testing
- Better quarantine
- Herd immunity
- Factors associated with personal or government wealth
That sort of leaves only the possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives.
But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect, but I can see neither any biological reason nor any indication in the emidemiology data to suggest that that is what is actually happening. Another outside possibility is damage to the virus coat because of viruses being produced with the wrong volume or exhibiting the wrong extraneous proteins on its surface. eg. if the virus particle picks up more extraneous human proteins on its surface with every cell infected un til the surface is so loaded with extraneous proteins that it ceases to become infective.
The following is an example of the universal curve in action.
My first thought would be a simple running out of susceptible people to infect.
That’s easily eliminated as a hypothesis. The number of susceptable people to infect in Wuhan in first wave China was 11 million. The total number of cases in first wave was 100,000. Even allowing an excptioannly large factor of 10 for herd immunity, that still falls short by a factor opf ten in explaining what actually happened.
In addition, if that was the explaination then no region would ever get a second wave.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/victoria-records-334-new-local-covid-cases-and-one-death/100449084
she said the kids are going back to school, but she’s been told it is for child minding, as it would give them an advantage over the city kids if they were taught. This seems odd to me. I think she must have that wrong. The school buses have been running here anyway, as the farm kids have been going to school. Their parents can’t supervise them and be out in the paddockswell being in and out of the education system you’d be astounded how much bullshit there is about making sure it’s “fair” as if deliberately slowing down the provision of education for students who are ahead is the best way to achieve equality or equity or maybe what they actually want is equipoise but fuck it
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210901-israel-starts-new-school-year-as-virus-cases-surge
coming soon to a NSWuhan near you
(mentioned before but updates)
I’m talking about VIctorian, non-Melbourne/Shepp, kids.
Yeah but we’d be bold enough to suggest that similar ways of thinking are present around the world — there’s a idiotic idea among many educators out there that it is unfair for some students to undertake more instruction than other students, no caveat, no nuance, no finer detail. The natural logical progression from that idea is then that we should restrict opportunities for instruction to match the minimum available to any given student.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:(A) Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
(B) rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains
(C) possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives. But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect,
(D)
(A) Told y’all that 3 weeks in…
(B) See bottom.
© No. Also WTF do telomeres have to do with it¿
(D) The following simulation has literally zero special mitigating factors, it literally just lets the measles blow up and then saturate, with the rapid but not precipitous fall you describe. Note: it also shows that flock immunity doesn’t work.
Shortening of telomeres occurs with ageing and hence reduces the lifespan of the cell.
are viruses cells
> The following simulation has literally zero special mitigating factors, it literally just lets the measles blow up and then saturate, with the rapid but not precipitous fall you describe. Note: it also shows that flock immunity doesn’t work.
If measles saturates then there would be no second wave, because the first wave would have already saturated the system. So that graph doen’t work.
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.A puzzle I noticed back in Apr 2020. There is a universal Covid curve for rate of rise and fall for number of new cases.
Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
We can quickly discard all the following hypotheses:
- Improvements in medical care
- Social distancing and masks
- More testing
- Better quarantine
- Herd immunity
- Factors associated with personal or government wealth
That sort of leaves only the possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives.
But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect, but I can see neither any biological reason nor any indication in the emidemiology data to suggest that that is what is actually happening. Another outside possibility is damage to the virus coat because of viruses being produced with the wrong volume or exhibiting the wrong extraneous proteins on its surface. eg. if the virus particle picks up more extraneous human proteins on its surface with every cell infected un til the surface is so loaded with extraneous proteins that it ceases to become infective.
The following is an example of the universal curve in action.
My first thought would be a simple running out of susceptible people to infect.
That’s easily eliminated as a hypothesis. The number of susceptable people to infect in Wuhan in first wave China was 11 million. The total number of cases in first wave was 100,000. Even allowing an excptioannly large factor of 10 for herd immunity, that still falls short by a factor opf ten in explaining what actually happened.
In addition, if that was the explaination then no region would ever get a second wave.
Not everyone in a population is necessarily susceptible, even with no prior contact with a particular pathogen. There is also the possibility of priming of immune systems by other pathogens – about which we know very little in this case, except that many people have had different corona virus infections previously in their lives.
mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.A puzzle I noticed back in Apr 2020. There is a universal Covid curve for rate of rise and fall for number of new cases.
Rate of rise is easily explained: First we have exponential growth, then it becomes geographically limited so the rate of rise drops to a function of the square of the time.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
We can quickly discard all the following hypotheses:
- Improvements in medical care
- Social distancing and masks
- More testing
- Better quarantine
- Herd immunity
- Factors associated with personal or government wealth
That sort of leaves only the possibility that the virus has some inherent built-in obsolescence function. eg. if the virus ceases to be infective after three or five generations of infection, and only becomes infective again when a new strain arrives.
But I can see no biological mechanism whereby this can happen. The shortening of telomeres is the obvious suspect, but I can see neither any biological reason nor any indication in the emidemiology data to suggest that that is what is actually happening. Another outside possibility is damage to the virus coat because of viruses being produced with the wrong volume or exhibiting the wrong extraneous proteins on its surface. eg. if the virus particle picks up more extraneous human proteins on its surface with every cell infected un til the surface is so loaded with extraneous proteins that it ceases to become infective.
The following is an example of the universal curve in action.
Suggests the possibility that one or more of your dismissed hypotheses should not have been dismissed.
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
My first thought would be a simple running out of susceptible people to infect.
That’s easily eliminated as a hypothesis. The number of susceptable people to infect in Wuhan in first wave China was 11 million. The total number of cases in first wave was 100,000. Even allowing an excptioannly large factor of 10 for herd immunity, that still falls short by a factor opf ten in explaining what actually happened.
In addition, if that was the explaination then no region would ever get a second wave.
No, buffy is correct. When you impose restrictions, you don’t in general terminate transmission, you reduce the pool of susceptible-exposed people. You obtain effective herd immunity by decreasing its threshold.
mollwollfumble said:
> The following simulation has literally zero special mitigating factors, it literally just lets the measles blow up and then saturate, with the rapid but not precipitous fall you describe. Note: it also shows that flock immunity doesn’t work.
If measles saturates then there would be no second wave, because the first wave would have already saturated the system. So that graph doen’t work.
Fair objection to our loose use of language. “Saturated” was not the technically correct term, but we used it in the sense of “saturation bombing”. Somehow people escape.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:(A) Told y’all that 3 weeks in…
(B) See bottom.
© No. Also WTF do telomeres have to do with it¿
(D) The following simulation has literally zero special mitigating factors, it literally just lets the measles blow up and then saturate, with the rapid but not precipitous fall you describe. Note: it also shows that flock immunity doesn’t work.
Shortening of telomeres occurs with ageing and hence reduces the lifespan of the cell.
are viruses cells
Exactly.
Are viruses sufficiently similar to cells that telomere shortening applies? I suspect not, but don’t know.
A third vague possibility is that planned obsolescence occurs through point mutation. With each point mutation the infectiveness drops – until a specific point where a mutation occurs that bumps the effectiveness up again – a new strain.
SCIENCE, where does that graph come from?
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
Suggests the possibility that one or more of your dismissed hypotheses should not have been dismissed.
Alternatively, one could simply refute the premise, videre licet
USSA on https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 which is the leading country on the board (so it didn’t really take that long to refute did it).
Of the 4 rises and the 4 falls, please identify where the rates are matched.
Gutwein has announced that Tasmanians must be masked at events greater than 1000 peoples.
mollwollfumble said:
(A) Are viruses sufficiently similar to cells that telomere shortening applies? I suspect not, but don’t know.
(B) A third vague possibility is that planned obsolescence occurs through point mutation. With each point mutation the infectiveness drops – until a specific point where a mutation occurs that bumps the effectiveness up again – a new strain.
(C) SCIENCE, where does that graph come from?
(A) No.
(B) No. But if you mean flock immunity until antigenic dr/shift achieves immune evasion, yes.
(C) Our simulation.
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:My first thought would be a simple running out of susceptible people to infect.
That’s easily eliminated as a hypothesis. The number of susceptable people to infect in Wuhan in first wave China was 11 million. The total number of cases in first wave was 100,000. Even allowing an excptioannly large factor of 10 for herd immunity, that still falls short by a factor opf ten in explaining what actually happened.
In addition, if that was the explaination then no region would ever get a second wave.
Not everyone in a population is necessarily susceptible, even with no prior contact with a particular pathogen. There is also the possibility of priming of immune systems by other pathogens – about which we know very little in this case, except that many people have had different corona virus infections previously in their lives.
We do know about that. In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible. In those countries where there is a lot of data on the topic. Countries where I can’t be sure are those in Africa (particularly Nigeria) and southern Asia (particularly India). But for most countries including Korea and Japan we do know.
Further, equally if susceptibility variation was the reason then there would be no second wave. Because susceptibility variation doesn’t change with much in such a short time-span.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Shortening of telomeres occurs with ageing and hence reduces the lifespan of the cell.
are viruses cells
Exactly.
Are viruses sufficiently similar to cells that telomere shortening applies? I suspect not, but don’t know.
A third vague possibility is that planned obsolescence occurs through point mutation. With each point mutation the infectiveness drops – until a specific point where a mutation occurs that bumps the effectiveness up again – a new strain.
SCIENCE, where does that graph come from?
I’m not sure the DNA or RNA in viruses is arranged in chromosomes like it is in cells.
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
That’s easily eliminated as a hypothesis. The number of susceptable people to infect in Wuhan in first wave China was 11 million. The total number of cases in first wave was 100,000. Even allowing an excptioannly large factor of 10 for herd immunity, that still falls short by a factor opf ten in explaining what actually happened.
In addition, if that was the explaination then no region would ever get a second wave.
Not everyone in a population is necessarily susceptible, even with no prior contact with a particular pathogen. There is also the possibility of priming of immune systems by other pathogens – about which we know very little in this case, except that many people have had different corona virus infections previously in their lives.
We do know about that. In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible. In those countries where there is a lot of data on the topic. Countries where I can’t be sure are those in Africa (particularly Nigeria) and southern Asia (particularly India). But for most countries including Korea and Japan we do know.
Further, equally if susceptibility variation was the reason then there would be no second wave. Because susceptibility variation doesn’t change with much in such a short time-span.
We argue that the reasons for rapid rise and fall, and recurrent waves, are the same reasons:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:That’s easily eliminated as a hypothesis. The number of susceptable people to infect in Wuhan in first wave China was 11 million. The total number of cases in first wave was 100,000. Even allowing an excptioannly large factor of 10 for herd immunity, that still falls short by a factor opf ten in explaining what actually happened.
In addition, if that was the explaination then no region would ever get a second wave.
Not everyone in a population is necessarily susceptible, even with no prior contact with a particular pathogen. There is also the possibility of priming of immune systems by other pathogens – about which we know very little in this case, except that many people have had different corona virus infections previously in their lives.
We do know about that. In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible. In those countries where there is a lot of data on the topic. Countries where I can’t be sure are those in Africa (particularly Nigeria) and southern Asia (particularly India). But for most countries including Korea and Japan we do know.
Further, equally if susceptibility variation was the reason then there would be no second wave. Because susceptibility variation doesn’t change with much in such a short time-span.
>> In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible.<<
I’m not convinced we know this.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:mollwollfumble said:
There is a huge puzzle in my mind re Covid.
But the rate of fall is completely unable to be explained. There is not a single hypothesis that explains why the rate of fall of new cases should be almost as rapid as the previous rate of rise of new cases.
Suggests the possibility that one or more of your dismissed hypotheses should not have been dismissed.
Alternatively, one could simply refute the premise, videre licet
USSA on https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 which is the leading country on the board (so it didn’t really take that long to refute did it).
Of the 4 rises and the 4 falls, please identify where the rates are matched.
In every one of the four, the rate if fall is within a factor of 2 of the rate of rise. With one exception, all rates of fall are indentical. In that one exception the rate of fall equals the rate of rise.
A slower fall is always possible with the effect of point mutation. What I don’t get is why there shopuld be any fall at all.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Suggests the possibility that one or more of your dismissed hypotheses should not have been dismissed.
Alternatively, one could simply refute the premise, videre licet
USSA on https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 which is the leading country on the board (so it didn’t really take that long to refute did it).
Of the 4 rises and the 4 falls, please identify where the rates are matched.
In every one of the four, the rate if fall is within a factor of 2 of the rate of rise. With one exception, all rates of fall are indentical. In that one exception the rate of fall equals the rate of rise.
A slower fall is always possible with the effect of point mutation. What I don’t get is why there shopuld be any fall at all.
well all right we’ll disagree with your interpretation on this one
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
Not everyone in a population is necessarily susceptible, even with no prior contact with a particular pathogen. There is also the possibility of priming of immune systems by other pathogens – about which we know very little in this case, except that many people have had different corona virus infections previously in their lives.
We do know about that. In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible. In those countries where there is a lot of data on the topic. Countries where I can’t be sure are those in Africa (particularly Nigeria) and southern Asia (particularly India). But for most countries including Korea and Japan we do know.
Further, equally if susceptibility variation was the reason then there would be no second wave. Because susceptibility variation doesn’t change with much in such a short time-span.
>> In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible.<<
I’m not convinced we know this.
We’re pretty convinced that before exposed or vaccinated, almost everyone was pretty much fully susceptible.
Whether it causes severe disease is a bit more complex, with dose and individual factors at play, but no, we’re pretty convinced.
Anthony Doing the Foreign Interference InterFauci Thing
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
We do know about that. In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible. In those countries where there is a lot of data on the topic. Countries where I can’t be sure are those in Africa (particularly Nigeria) and southern Asia (particularly India). But for most countries including Korea and Japan we do know.
Further, equally if susceptibility variation was the reason then there would be no second wave. Because susceptibility variation doesn’t change with much in such a short time-span.
>> In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible.<<
I’m not convinced we know this.
We’re pretty convinced that before exposed or vaccinated, almost everyone was pretty much fully susceptible.
Whether it causes severe disease is a bit more complex, with dose and individual factors at play, but no, we’re pretty convinced.
Why are you convinced of that?
We argue that the reasons for rapid rise and fall, and recurrent waves, are the same reasons:
If that was true then delta woiuld vave been contained in a sinmgle country.
That is screamingly inaccurate.
The long term infection control strategy of China and its provinces has been completely effective. It’s only governments in other countries that are stupid.
Temporary stragegies are not “no longer implemented”
There is really only one effective lomng term strategy. Geographic isolation. Isolate a geographic area, let the virus burn itself out by some sort of planned obsolescence in that region. Then hold the border.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
>> In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible.<<
I’m not convinced we know this.
We’re pretty convinced that before exposed or vaccinated, almost everyone was pretty much fully susceptible.
Whether it causes severe disease is a bit more complex, with dose and individual factors at play, but no, we’re pretty convinced.
Why are you convinced of that?
You know how they tell us when 1 person in the household gets the B.1.617.2, everyone else in the household gets it¿ And you go digging, and you ask around, and it turns out yeah actually they do¿
Explain that.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:buffy said:
>> In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible.<<
I’m not convinced we know this.
We’re pretty convinced that before exposed or vaccinated, almost everyone was pretty much fully susceptible.
Whether it causes severe disease is a bit more complex, with dose and individual factors at play, but no, we’re pretty convinced.
Why are you convinced of that?
For startes, the influence of age structure on number of cases. If everyone is equally susceptible then the infection rate is independent of age. As has happened in Covid. If people have different susceptibility then the infection rate will depend on age, as it does for the flu.
Let’s have some Marketing.
SC: infection control works
MO: If that was true then delta woiuld vave been contained in a sinmgle country.
SC: it was contained in a single state (NSWuhan) but sure, now it’s contained in 2
SC: thus it runs out of people to infect
MO: That is screamingly inaccurate.
SC: It is observable and explains the target observation.
SC: longer term infection control strategies were generally stupid
MO: The long term infection control strategy of China and its provinces has been completely effective. It’s only governments in other countries that are stupid.
SC: Hence “generally”. Don’t forget New Zealand or Mainland Taiwan or states/territories like WANTSAQLDTAS.
SC: thus it explodes again when temporary strategies are no longer implemented
MO: Temporary stragegies are not “no longer implemented”
SC: Depends on your semantic binding. “Temporary strategies” are not “no longer implemented” but temporary “strategies” are merely “still temporary”.
MO: There is really only one effective lomng term strategy. Geographic isolation. Isolate a geographic area, let the virus burn itself out by some sort of planned obsolescence in that region. Then hold the border.
SC: No. That is a component of viable long term strategy. Progressive elimination would generally rest on that. You can burn it out quicker by other internal restrictions, as long as you can hold the border.
anyway we’ve starvation and fatigue so let’s have some possibly good news
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
We’re pretty convinced that before exposed or vaccinated, almost everyone was pretty much fully susceptible.
Whether it causes severe disease is a bit more complex, with dose and individual factors at play, but no, we’re pretty convinced.
Why are you convinced of that?
You know how they tell us when 1 person in the household gets the B.1.617.2, everyone else in the household gets it¿ And you go digging, and you ask around, and it turns out yeah actually they do¿
Explain that.
Who is “they”?
SCIENCE said:
Let’s have some Marketing.
SC: infection control works
MO: If that was true then delta woiuld vave been contained in a sinmgle country.
SC: it was contained in a single state (NSWuhan) but sure, now it’s contained in 2SC: thus it runs out of people to infect
MO: That is screamingly inaccurate.
SC: It is observable and explains the target observation.SC: longer term infection control strategies were generally stupid
MO: The long term infection control strategy of China and its provinces has been completely effective. It’s only governments in other countries that are stupid.
SC: Hence “generally”. Don’t forget New Zealand or Mainland Taiwan or states/territories like WANTSAQLDTAS.SC: thus it explodes again when temporary strategies are no longer implemented
MO: Temporary stragegies are not “no longer implemented”
SC: Depends on your semantic binding. “Temporary strategies” are not “no longer implemented” but temporary “strategies” are merely “still temporary”.MO: There is really only one effective lomng term strategy. Geographic isolation. Isolate a geographic area, let the virus burn itself out by some sort of planned obsolescence in that region. Then hold the border.
SC: No. That is a component of viable long term strategy. Progressive elimination would generally rest on that. You can burn it out quicker by other internal restrictions, as long as you can hold the border.
in case there was any confusion our reference to “Marketing” refers only to the abbreviations we have used and we do not imply in any way that our (SC or MO) responses are bullshit, in fact, we are putting them forward as serious considered argument
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:buffy said:
Why are you convinced of that?
You know how they tell us when 1 person in the household gets the B.1.617.2, everyone else in the household gets it¿ And you go digging, and you ask around, and it turns out yeah actually they do¿
Explain that.
Who is “they”?
the everyone in the household
of people there are self-regulating responses to infection, observed or rumored, whatever, feedback, one of the least effective feedbacks to reinforce prophylactic behaviors is immunization, notions of being immune
>In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible.
and i’d suggest no, those people that are seriously susceptible are so no matter if it’s the second tuesday this month, or the last friday next month, similar applies of serious adverse reactions to a vaccine
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:We’re pretty convinced that before exposed or vaccinated, almost everyone was pretty much fully susceptible.
Whether it causes severe disease is a bit more complex, with dose and individual factors at play, but no, we’re pretty convinced.
Why are you convinced of that?
For startes, the influence of age structure on number of cases. If everyone is equally susceptible then the infection rate is independent of age. As has happened in Covid. If people have different susceptibility then the infection rate will depend on age, as it does for the flu.
It’s not really the same for all age groups.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104012/australia-number-of-coronavirus-cases-by-age-group/
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:
Not everyone in a population is necessarily susceptible, even with no prior contact with a particular pathogen. There is also the possibility of priming of immune systems by other pathogens – about which we know very little in this case, except that many people have had different corona virus infections previously in their lives.
We do know about that. In the case of Covid, everyone is equally susceptible. In those countries where there is a lot of data on the topic. Countries where I can’t be sure are those in Africa (particularly Nigeria) and southern Asia (particularly India). But for most countries including Korea and Japan we do know.
Further, equally if susceptibility variation was the reason then there would be no second wave. Because susceptibility variation doesn’t change with much in such a short time-span.
We argue that the reasons for rapid rise and fall, and recurrent waves, are the same reasons:
- infection control works
- thus it runs out of people to infect
- longer term infection control strategies were generally stupid
- thus it explodes again when temporary strategies are no longer implemented
- and then again
This. ^
AFAIK viruses don’t have telomeres. They are limited to eukayotes.
SCIENCE said:
Anthony Doing the ForeignInterferenceInterFauci Thing
I agree with Fauci.
A pregnant woman with Covid gave birth by emergency caesarean section at 28 weeks so she could be placed on ventilation at a Sydney hospital.
Guardian Australia understands that the woman’s newborn child was taken to a separate hospital with better neonatal care resources and placed into an incubator.
The caesarean section was performed on the baby’s mother who was in intensive care with Covid and needed to be placed on a ventilator as her condition worsened.
The incident occurred in August in a hospital in Sydney’s west. The child’s Covid status and the mother’s condition are unclear.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/pregnant-sydney-woman-with-covid-gives-birth-by-caesarian-section-so-she-could-be-ventilated
sarahs mum said:
A pregnant woman with Covid gave birth by emergency caesarean section at 28 weeks so she could be placed on ventilation at a Sydney hospital.Guardian Australia understands that the woman’s newborn child was taken to a separate hospital with better neonatal care resources and placed into an incubator.
The caesarean section was performed on the baby’s mother who was in intensive care with Covid and needed to be placed on a ventilator as her condition worsened.
The incident occurred in August in a hospital in Sydney’s west. The child’s Covid status and the mother’s condition are unclear.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/pregnant-sydney-woman-with-covid-gives-birth-by-caesarian-section-so-she-could-be-ventilated
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
A pregnant woman with Covid gave birth by emergency caesarean section at 28 weeks so she could be placed on ventilation at a Sydney hospital.
Guardian Australia understands that the woman’s newborn child was taken to a separate hospital with better neonatal care resources and placed into an incubator.
The caesarean section was performed on the baby’s mother who was in intensive care with Covid and needed to be placed on a ventilator as her condition worsened.
The incident occurred in August in a hospital in Sydney’s west. The child’s Covid status and the mother’s condition are unclear.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/pregnant-sydney-woman-with-covid-gives-birth-by-caesarian-section-so-she-could-be-ventilated
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
A pregnant woman with Covid gave birth by emergency caesarean section at 28 weeks so she could be placed on ventilation at a Sydney hospital.
Guardian Australia understands that the woman’s newborn child was taken to a separate hospital with better neonatal care resources and placed into an incubator.
The caesarean section was performed on the baby’s mother who was in intensive care with Covid and needed to be placed on a ventilator as her condition worsened.
The incident occurred in August in a hospital in Sydney’s west. The child’s Covid status and the mother’s condition are unclear.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/pregnant-sydney-woman-with-covid-gives-birth-by-caesarian-section-so-she-could-be-ventilated
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
What are you going to do when Covid is over?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
What are you going to do when Covid is over?
We’ve got forever Covid so they’ll pop in and froth about it for bit, rinse, repeat, just like now really.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
A pregnant woman with Covid gave birth by emergency caesarean section at 28 weeks so she could be placed on ventilation at a Sydney hospital.
Guardian Australia understands that the woman’s newborn child was taken to a separate hospital with better neonatal care resources and placed into an incubator.
The caesarean section was performed on the baby’s mother who was in intensive care with Covid and needed to be placed on a ventilator as her condition worsened.
The incident occurred in August in a hospital in Sydney’s west. The child’s Covid status and the mother’s condition are unclear.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/10/pregnant-sydney-woman-with-covid-gives-birth-by-caesarian-section-so-she-could-be-ventilated
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
apparently 40% have preexistings.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
What are you going to do when Covid is over?
We’ll happily go back to work in person, though may well continue online teaching because it hasn’t been a bad move.
We’ll spend more time with family who we’ve been unable to travel to see, or otherwise unwilling to sacrifice for The Economy Must Grow.
Similarly friends.
We might come back to merely joke around at silly posts like we used to, or at times remind everyone how we told you so.
We’ll probably retain the ironic depictions of CHINA West Taiwan et cetera.
We’ll try to travel to New Zealand, but probably not New York.
Hopefully by then we haven’t lost enough family or friends to stay bitter about it but we’ll see..
Have we forgotten anything ¿
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
What are you going to do when Covid is over?
We’ll happily go back to work in person, though may well continue online teaching because it hasn’t been a bad move.
We’ll spend more time with family who we’ve been unable to travel to see, or otherwise unwilling to sacrifice for The Economy Must Grow.
Similarly friends.
We might come back to merely joke around at silly posts like we used to, or at times remind everyone how we told you so.
We’ll probably retain the ironic depictions of
CHINAWest Taiwan et cetera.We’ll try to travel to New Zealand, but probably not New York.
Hopefully by then we haven’t lost enough family or friends to stay bitter about it but we’ll see..
Have we forgotten anything ¿
well, I hope you stick around. enjoy the dark humour. many a true word.
poikilotherm said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
What are you going to do when Covid is over?
We’ve got forever Covid so they’ll pop in and froth about it for bit, rinse, repeat, just like now really.
We’ll settle for a measles-like (or poliomyelitis or rubella or mumps or diphtheria or possibly even pertussis like) situation.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
What are you going to do when Covid is over?
Same as when Donald Trump lost the election. Never mention it again.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
oh dear, that must be so terrible for the family :(
Surely that counts as a pre-existing condition so that makes it all right then.
apparently 40% have preexistings.
I have a pre-existing condition. It’s called general malaise,
don’t worry we won’t lose the inclusive language so we’re still going to call a cock without its 2 wattles a spayed
Uh-oh…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/qld-covid-griffith-university-staff-member-test-positive/100453892
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
Normal is when people believe the Liberal party?
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I’ve been angry with Bin-chicken from the third day of their outbreak. The limo-driver had infected his wife and one other known person. All three had been to many venues where lots of people congregated NSW knew it was Delta-COVID, and how infectious that was.
Bin-chicken had agreed to the “National Cabinet” notion of “Hard and Fast” responses to outbreaks, but she was too arrogant and wishy-washy to do it, lest it cast her in a bad light (I imagine).
SA, NT, WA, QLD and VIC had all previously solved Delta-COVID that way. But no, Bin-chicken knew better.
And she exported her growing problems to other states (including multiple times to VIC in the same week, destroying VIC in the process).
A Hard and Fast response would have stopped it in its tracks.
I am so bloody angry.
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Sigh.
I suppose that’s what happens when decisions on Public Health are not made by the exerts. (Here in QLD, the CHO calls the shots. The Premier has no actual say, but does claim the accolades.)
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Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I’ve been angry with Bin-chicken from the third day of their outbreak. The limo-driver had infected his wife and one other known person. All three had been to many venues where lots of people congregated NSW knew it was Delta-COVID, and how infectious that was.
Bin-chicken had agreed to the “National Cabinet” notion of “Hard and Fast” responses to outbreaks, but she was too arrogant and wishy-washy to do it, lest it cast her in a bad light (I imagine).
SA, NT, WA, QLD and VIC had all previously solved Delta-COVID that way. But no, Bin-chicken knew better.
And she exported her growing problems to other states (including multiple times to VIC in the same week, destroying VIC in the process).
A Hard and Fast response would have stopped it in its tracks.
I am so bloody angry.
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Sigh.
I suppose that’s what happens when decisions on Public Health are not made by the exerts. (Here in QLD, the CHO calls the shots. The Premier has no actual say, but does claim the accolades.)
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Tamb said:
How can a person be both arrogant & wishy-washy?
Not necessarily at the same time, but someone can be arrogant when they feel that like ‘i’m the boss and i’m right’ and things aren’t going so badly, but they can flip just like that to wishy-washy when confronted with real challenges/responsibilities or by those who they feel are more powerful.
It’s an important talent in politics, especially in the L/NP.
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.
VIC: 540 new cases.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100453554
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.
Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
When angry, nice isn’t necessarily first port of call.
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.VIC: 540 new cases.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100453554
Vic; 450 cases.
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
Bin-chicken is now a commonly used alternate name for her.
Yes. Why?
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
Speedy said:Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
Bin-chicken is now a commonly used alternate name for her.Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
party_pants said:
Speedy said:
Tamb said:Bin-chicken is now a commonly used alternate name for her.
Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
party_pants said:
Speedy said:
Tamb said:Bin-chicken is now a commonly used alternate name for her.
Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Berejiklian is vaguely like Binchicken.
Speedy said:
party_pants said:
Speedy said:Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
It is clearly a play on her last name. Or the last few syllables of it.
Speedy said:
party_pants said:
Speedy said:Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
Speedy said:Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Berejiklian is vaguely like Binchicken.
And her physical similarity.
Speedy said:
party_pants said:
Speedy said:Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
Gutless, yes, Gutless
Speedy said:
party_pants said:
Speedy said:Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
I’m also a bit uncomfortable with messing around with names. I’m happy enough to do it with people I actually know, because nicknames are a thing. But for public figures, not so sure. I admit to having used the word ScoMo, but his own people use that one.
DO, very similar to KBS. In other words lovely…but I’m not sure that it’s still beer.
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
I’m angry with Gladys.
Name-calling pollies appears to be acceptable right across Australia.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.VIC: 540 new cases.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100453554
Vic; 450 cases.
Yes, sorry. Typo and poor editing.
Apologies.
Speedy said:
party_pants said:
Speedy said:Yes. Why?
Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
I’m not inclined to call the NSW Premier an ibis but to use their first name implies familiarity where none exists…
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
Da fuq?
She says we all need to accept that we have to live covid.
As a Tasmanian I think she’s off.
seems like she’s preparing for numbers blackout once reopening happens, to prevent “oh fuck” realisations
It Begins ¡
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
I’m angry with Gladys.
Name-calling pollies appears to be acceptable right across Australia.
I think it all started with The Beetrooter.
buffy said:
Speedy said:
party_pants said:Because Aussies are not good at pronouncing foreign names. Nor are any other English speaking countries.
Right, because “Gladys” is so hard to pronounce.
I’m also a bit uncomfortable with messing around with names. I’m happy enough to do it with people I actually know, because nicknames are a thing. But for public figures, not so sure. I admit to having used the word ScoMo, but his own people use that one.
it’s called mnemonic
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
QLD: 5 new cases. Same family cluster. Likely exported from NSW. Thanks, Bin-chicken.Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
I’m angry with Gladys.
Name-calling pollies appears to be acceptable right across Australia.
“The little desiccated coconut is under pressure and he is attacking anything he can get his hands on”
“He’s wound up like a thousand day clock…”
“…the brain-damaged Leader of the Opposition…”
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
I’m angry with Gladys.
Name-calling pollies appears to be acceptable right across Australia.
The pollies do it in Parliament all the time.
e.g. Paul Keating: On Prime Minister (formerly Opposition Leader), John Howard:“The little desiccated coconut is under pressure and he is attacking anything he can get his hands on”
“He’s wound up like a thousand day clock…”
“…the brain-damaged Leader of the Opposition…”
It’s a “privilege” granted to them. (And they probably know each other anyway)
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:Name-calling is not very nice MV :(
I’m angry with Gladys.
Name-calling pollies appears to be acceptable right across Australia.
The pollies do it in Parliament all the time.
e.g. Paul Keating: On Prime Minister (formerly Opposition Leader), John Howard:“The little desiccated coconut is under pressure and he is attacking anything he can get his hands on”
“He’s wound up like a thousand day clock…”
“…the brain-damaged Leader of the Opposition…”
so being allowed to call names is a privilege afforded to only the privileged few
I’m remembering some people were calling the QLD premier “Palace-chook” as a mispro on her last name. But now it seems the last syllable has changed from a “shook” to “shay” sound.
party_pants said:
I’m remembering some people were calling the QLD premier “Palace-chook” as a mispro on her last name. But now it seems the last syllable has changed from a “shook” to “shay” sound.
sibeen said:
DO, very similar to KBS. In other words lovely…but I’m not sure that it’s still beer.
Will look around for it, thanks. :)
Tamb said:
party_pants said:
I’m remembering some people were calling the QLD premier “Palace-chook” as a mispro on her last name. But now it seems the last syllable has changed from a “shook” to “shay” sound.
Like names ending in vic used to be vic but are now vich.
Sewerage testing locates COVID fragments in NSW regions without reported cases.
NSW Health’s sewage surveillance program has detected the virus at Byron Bay and Bangalow treatment plants in northern NSW.
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Meanwhile QLD is opening up to these border LGAs, with some conditions.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-live-blog-regional-nsw-lockdown-border-communities-qld/100453554
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I reckon ScoMO is being pressured by the US. Thats why he keeps changing his tune.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I reckon ScoMO is being pressured by the US. Thats why he keeps changing his tune.
Who in the US?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/act-records-new-covid-cases-as-outbreak-grows/100454218
They let the politicians come back from Sydney…
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I reckon ScoMO is being pressured by the US. Thats why he keeps changing his tune.
Who in the US?
Lobbyists. Foreign companies. Murdoch. People who think jobs are more important than living people.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I reckon ScoMO is being pressured by the US. Thats why he keeps changing his tune.
Who in the US?
The religious right.
Two weeks ago, GB said that we could expect this week to be the worst, implying I suppose that subsequent weeks would have fewer new cases in deaths.
There were 1599 new cases today and in fairness it does appear this week was not much worse than last, so perhaps we are indeed in the vicinity of the apex.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Did I mention that I am angry with the Bin-chicken’s handling of everything COVID?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/covid-nsw-roadmap-to-freedom-amid-growing-crisis/100452012
Gladys is doing what she’s told. She may not like it, she might think that the Man from Marketing is a stupid bully, but she’s doing it anyway.
There’s a Federal election coming up, and the Daggiest Dad in Canberra’s government has a lot riding on ‘getting back to normal’. Not just public image about their ability to achieve that, but a lot of corporate donations which might have a string or two attached. Gladys still obeys, because Canberra can rock her boat hard if they wish.
Gladys is scared of her own State party, because she knows that there’s more than a couple who would be happy to topple her, and she’s given them a good amount of justification for doing so. She, too, is under pressure from business/commercial lobbyists and she knows that they and their media friends could make things even more shaky for her, if not for her government also.
The L/NP does indeed have a plan for getting the country ‘back to normal’, but it’s not quite the one that they publicise, and it involves a good number of extra funerals. But , that’s the cost of doing business
I reckon ScoMO is being pressured by the US. Thats why he keeps changing his tune.
certainly money doesn’t like borders much, and the modern world does turn on consumerism, including holidays and travelers, so you can maybe imagine countries having or emerging more native cultures (if you like) that might include State borders (and administrations) within national borders can be felt to be additional obstacles
i’m not greatly convinced expanded freedoms of money (capital more to generalize) and travel, and media, that they are fond of cultural variation, divergent ways in different geographic areas across the globe
Australia having no covid would have been an intolerable cultural difference, a divergence, lent to divergence, even modest divergence isn’t tolerated really
there is no new world order conspiracy, there are however borderblasters, globalists that way, I have fond notions that way myself, but take the fantasy notions for a walk regularly, apply the philosophical torture
not a lot has changed really, there isn’t a new world order of any sort
money talks though, as it always has
Further to sm’s post in the meme thread…I’d missed this bit of news.
>>In response to news that former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was fined yesterday for not wearing a mask in public, Mr Hazzard said the rules were for everyone, with no exceptions.
“It does not matter who you are, whatever station you have in life, there are orders. Nobody likes to have these orders but it is to keep everybody safe and I hope people will comply with the orders.”
NSW Police said Mr Abbott was fined $500 for breaching the public health orders at the Manly Beach promenade after he was photographed by a bystander.<<
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
buffy said:
Further to sm’s post in the meme thread…I’d missed this bit of news.>>In response to news that former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was fined yesterday for not wearing a mask in public, Mr Hazzard said the rules were for everyone, with no exceptions.
“It does not matter who you are, whatever station you have in life, there are orders. Nobody likes to have these orders but it is to keep everybody safe and I hope people will comply with the orders.”
NSW Police said Mr Abbott was fined $500 for breaching the public health orders at the Manly Beach promenade after he was photographed by a bystander.<<
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
Oh, I see p_p and I are on the same page, even if not in the same thread…
:)
buffy said:
buffy said:
Further to sm’s post in the meme thread…I’d missed this bit of news.>>In response to news that former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was fined yesterday for not wearing a mask in public, Mr Hazzard said the rules were for everyone, with no exceptions.
“It does not matter who you are, whatever station you have in life, there are orders. Nobody likes to have these orders but it is to keep everybody safe and I hope people will comply with the orders.”
NSW Police said Mr Abbott was fined $500 for breaching the public health orders at the Manly Beach promenade after he was photographed by a bystander.<<
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
Probably just reflects the culture of federal politics, at least on his side – “The law is for losers.”
You know your mates are up to their necks in corruption but you keep your lips sealed.
buffy said:
buffy said:
Further to sm’s post in the meme thread…I’d missed this bit of news.>>In response to news that former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was fined yesterday for not wearing a mask in public, Mr Hazzard said the rules were for everyone, with no exceptions.
“It does not matter who you are, whatever station you have in life, there are orders. Nobody likes to have these orders but it is to keep everybody safe and I hope people will comply with the orders.”
NSW Police said Mr Abbott was fined $500 for breaching the public health orders at the Manly Beach promenade after he was photographed by a bystander.<<
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
^
Michael V said:
buffy said:
buffy said:
Further to sm’s post in the meme thread…I’d missed this bit of news.>>In response to news that former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was fined yesterday for not wearing a mask in public, Mr Hazzard said the rules were for everyone, with no exceptions.
“It does not matter who you are, whatever station you have in life, there are orders. Nobody likes to have these orders but it is to keep everybody safe and I hope people will comply with the orders.”
NSW Police said Mr Abbott was fined $500 for breaching the public health orders at the Manly Beach promenade after he was photographed by a bystander.<<
From https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
transition said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
In a mask wearing situation, those without masks generally react aggressively when told they should be wearing a mask…
transition said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
in-person, while there, to, rather than via the media apparatus, the firing squad of public opinion
not that I can’t think of good reasons for the sentiment suck eggs, I have that too
transition said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:Isn’t this the man who broke the lockdown thing last year by going for a bike ride?! He really, really doesn’t understand his responsibility as a former Prime Minister to be seen to be doing the right thing. And to whinge about someone dobbing him in…really?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/former-pm-tony-abbott-claims-it-s-un-australian-to-dob-as-he-cops-500-fine/eee47ed4-b0f7-40aa-a6ab-52f9353ec999
^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
maybe the photographer had warned people before about masks and been abused. maybe they are shy and don’t like confrontation. maybe a relative/friend had died from covid and they are just pissed off enough just to dob a person in. maybe they hate tony’s guts and relish in the thought of him being fined.
furious said:
transition said:
Michael V said:^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
In a mask wearing situation, those without masks generally react aggressively when told they should be wearing a mask…
I just said that, though in a later post.
furious said:
transition said:
Michael V said:^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
In a mask wearing situation, those without masks generally react aggressively when told they should be wearing a mask…
He may well have had armed goons in attendance, too.
furious said:
transition said:
Michael V said:^
thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
In a mask wearing situation, those without masks generally react aggressively when told they should be wearing a mask…
generally?
you mean the people that do respond aggressively respond aggressively, but the others don’t
transition said:
furious said:
transition said:thing that strikes me about that is the observer with the camera could have politely or even impolitely reminded the former PM, maybe they did, I can’t say, I didn’t read it all
but I guess if the observer did, that would be a more normal exchange
In a mask wearing situation, those without masks generally react aggressively when told they should be wearing a mask…
generally?
you mean the people that do respond aggressively respond aggressively, but the others don’t
Put it this way, it would be unwise to conduct the experiment unless you’re a police officer.
Bubblecar said:
transition said:
furious said:In a mask wearing situation, those without masks generally react aggressively when told they should be wearing a mask…
generally?
you mean the people that do respond aggressively respond aggressively, but the others don’t
Put it this way, it would be unwise to conduct the experiment unless you’re a police officer.
you’re not pointing to there being irrational people, irrational humans out there, are you
If masks were a thing here…and I was in the IGA and I saw Brian and he had no mask I would say ‘where’s your mask Brian?’ If it was someone I didn’t know I might mutter…‘you know you should be wearing a mask here.’ If it was an ex lib PM who I really didn’t like that had already been done for not wearing a mask…I might just take a photo if I had a phone and send it to the coppers and b done ith it.
sarahs mum said:
If masks were a thing here…and I was in the IGA and I saw Brian and he had no mask I would say ‘where’s your mask Brian?’ If it was someone I didn’t know I might mutter…‘you know you should be wearing a mask here.’ If it was an ex lib PM who I really didn’t like that had already been done for not wearing a mask…I might just take a photo if I had a phone and send it to the coppers and b done ith it.
you could take the photo and give them a what for
dv said:
Two weeks ago, GB said that we could expect this week to be the worst, implying I suppose that subsequent weeks would have fewer new cases in deaths.
There were 1599 new cases today and in fairness it does appear this week was not much worse than last, so perhaps we are indeed in the vicinity of the apex.
Israel
UK
USSA or the SoonToBeNSWuhan
seems like this https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/vaccines-are-banishing-any-debate-about-reopening-schools/618155/ aged quite well
NZWuhan
Not Invented Here
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-20/indigenous-vaccination-rates-to-increase/100390900
Indigenous leaders call for higher vaccination thresholds as COVID Delta threat rises for Aboriginal population
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/09/americas/cuba-vaccination-children-covid-19-intl-latam/index.html
Havana (CNN)The Cuban government has begun to vaccinate children as young as two years old for COVID-19, the island’s state media reported, in a bid to get kids back into classrooms.
Throughout the pandemic, most in-person classes have been suspended on the island. Instead of going to school, children watch educational programming on television for hours each day. Home internet remains a rarity in the communist-run nation.
The Cuban government also said it hoped to vaccinate over 90 percent of the population of 11.2 million people before reopening international borders in mid-November.
well it’s not that different surely
SCIENCE said:
Communistshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-20/indigenous-vaccination-rates-to-increase/100390900
Indigenous leaders call for higher vaccination thresholds as COVID Delta threat rises for Aboriginal population
Oh Wait This Lot Really Arehttps://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/09/americas/cuba-vaccination-children-covid-19-intl-latam/index.html
Havana (CNN)The Cuban government has begun to vaccinate children as young as two years old for COVID-19, the island’s state media reported, in a bid to get kids back into classrooms.
Throughout the pandemic, most in-person classes have been suspended on the island. Instead of going to school, children watch educational programming on television for hours each day. Home internet remains a rarity in the communist-run nation.
The Cuban government also said it hoped to vaccinate over 90 percent of the population of 11.2 million people before reopening international borders in mid-November.
Is this the 2021 version of “I’m moving to Canada if Trump wins.”?
In this collection of statements, the rhetorical use of “broken” “link” is addressed.
SCIENCE said:
In this collection of statements, the rhetorical use of “broken” “link” is addressed.
Is it a conscious decoupling though?
More Rhetoric
SCIENCE said:
More Rhetoric
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
she said the kids are going back to school, but she’s been told it is for child minding, as it would give them an advantage over the city kids if they were taught. This seems odd to me. I think she must have that wrong. The school buses have been running here anyway, as the farm kids have been going to school. Their parents can’t supervise them and be out in the paddockswell being in and out of the education system you’d be astounded how much bullshit there is about making sure it’s “fair” as if deliberately slowing down the provision of education for students who are ahead is the best way to achieve equality or equity or maybe what they actually want is equipoise but fuck it
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210901-israel-starts-new-school-year-as-virus-cases-surge
coming soon to a NSWuhan near you
(mentioned before but updates)
Imagine if Let It Rip™ through the schools causes educational disruption and 1/8 of children missing school anyway¡
Guess That Makes It Fair
(Sorry about the rhetoric stated and quoted to double its impact of course. We meant to continue on a different tack, here.)
Your ABC article that everyone cited before, but with an extract from its updates…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
The NSW Health Minister says people who fear losing income are dying at home from COVID-19 without any medical care as the state breaks another daily case record. He said the virus was highlighting the inequalities that exist within some communities and some people feared testing positive and consequently losing work.
Two people died at home without ever knowing they had COVID-19. A man in his 30s in Western Sydney and a man in his 40s in south-west Sydney only tested positive to COVID-19 after they passed away at home.
“The most important thing is to stay alive,” he said.
Your ABC article that everyone cited before, but with an extract from its updates…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-11/nsw-records-1599-covid19-cases/100454306
On Friday, the Premier announced the daily 11:00am COVID-19 press conferences would cease from Monday and that she and the Health Minister would only address the public on a “needs basis”. The mayor of one of Sydney’s 12 hotspot LGAs labelled the decision as an “insult to the community” at a time when the state is in crisis.
Today, Mr Hazzard said the press conferences were stripping the Premier, himself and the state’s most senior health officials of around 70 hours a week which could be better used to manage the pandemic. “You think it is just for one hour … but in fact, there is the preparation for the morning … there is a massive team of getting ready and drawing in all the information — we are here about three or four hours beforehand,” he said. “That time is taken out from the time we need to do the things you want us to do.”
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He said as the state enters the peak of the Delta outbreak in the coming weeks there will still be regular press conferences, just not every day.
Incidentally, C/2012 Y3 perihelions are regular and not every day too.
word on the street is Bondi et cetera are preparing the next superspreader disaster
Huanglongbing (HLB), commonly called citrus greening, locks the arteries that transport nutrients in trees. HLB is a bacterial disease that originated in China and is largely spread by insects called citrus psyllids.
“It is marching across the globe, and it’s getting closer to our shores in the countries to our north.”Florida in the United States has been one of the worst-hit regions. Citrus producer Kyle Story said almost all the orchards were infected.
While Kyle Story and his team have learned to adapt management of their infected trees to get the best out of them and stay in business, local growers say Australia must do everything to keep the disease out.
“It was scary what I saw in Florida,” said Riverland grower Ryan Arnold. “It just looked like an orchard in Australia that we’d be pushing it out and starting again, and they were trying to live with that and get some production out of it.” “I didn’t want my beautiful green trees looking like that.”
Researchers at the University of California in Riverside have discovered a peptide in native finger limes that attacks the bacteria and protects healthy plants.
SCIENCE said:
Another CHINA Bioweapon Bites The Buddha’s Hand
- originated in CHINA
- largely spread by flying things
- Florida one of the worst-hit
- local growers say Australia must do everything to keep the disease out
- they were trying to live with that
Huanglongbing (HLB), commonly called citrus greening, locks the arteries that transport nutrients in trees. HLB is a bacterial disease that originated in China and is largely spread by insects called citrus psyllids.
“It is marching across the globe, and it’s getting closer to our shores in the countries to our north.”Florida in the United States has been one of the worst-hit regions. Citrus producer Kyle Story said almost all the orchards were infected.
While Kyle Story and his team have learned to adapt management of their infected trees to get the best out of them and stay in business, local growers say Australia must do everything to keep the disease out.
“It was scary what I saw in Florida,” said Riverland grower Ryan Arnold. “It just looked like an orchard in Australia that we’d be pushing it out and starting again, and they were trying to live with that and get some production out of it.” “I didn’t want my beautiful green trees looking like that.”
Researchers at the University of California in Riverside have discovered a peptide in native finger limes that attacks the bacteria and protects healthy plants.
So there is a tidbit of good news. Trouble is we don’t have enough finger llimes to protect our orchards.
Toilet Seat Up or Down? Age-Old Argument Resolved by C0VID Research
For some reason the article at the start confuses Lid with Seat.
from the article
In conclusion, the new research study confirms that open-lid toilet flushing, ineffective handwashing or hand drying, substandard or infrequent surface cleaning, blocked drains, and uncovered rubbish bins can result in widespread bacterial and/or viral contamination in washrooms.
Although there is a risk of microbial aerosolisation from toilet flushing and the use of hand drying systems, we found no evidence of airborne transmission of enteric or respiratory pathogens, including COVID-19, in public washrooms.
Appropriate hand hygiene, surface cleaning and disinfection, washroom maintenance and ventilation and closing the toilet lid before flushing are likely to minimise the risk of infectious disease transmission.
So if you’re not closing the toilet lid, well, you should be. End of discussion!
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What I have been saying for the last 4 years or so.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Communistshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-20/indigenous-vaccination-rates-to-increase/100390900
Indigenous leaders call for higher vaccination thresholds as COVID Delta threat rises for Aboriginal population
Oh Wait This Lot Really Arehttps://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/09/americas/cuba-vaccination-children-covid-19-intl-latam/index.html
Havana (CNN)The Cuban government has begun to vaccinate children as young as two years old for COVID-19, the island’s state media reported, in a bid to get kids back into classrooms.
Throughout the pandemic, most in-person classes have been suspended on the island. Instead of going to school, children watch educational programming on television for hours each day. Home internet remains a rarity in the communist-run nation.
The Cuban government also said it hoped to vaccinate over 90 percent of the population of 11.2 million people before reopening international borders in mid-November.
Is this the 2021 version of “I’m moving to Canada if Trump wins.”?
LOLOLOL
SCIENCE said:
More Rhetoric
I agree.
They are not “car accidents”, they are “car crashes”.
Vaccines effective against Delta variant
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-vaccines-effective-delta-variant.html
CDC finds unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-cdc-unvaccinated-die-covid.html
Have you had your double dose, Mr Trino?
Woodie said:
Have you had your double dose, Mr Trino?
Had first, second coming soon.
Tau.Neutrino said:
CDC finds unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-cdc-unvaccinated-die-covid.html
11 times more likely to die
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
CDC finds unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-cdc-unvaccinated-die-covid.html
11 times more likely to die
- anti-vaxers
- sceptics
- disbelievers
- various conspiracy believers
- misinformationists
- disinformationists
- political trolls
- the stupid
- etc
let’s say they’re killers, and add..
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
CDC finds unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of COVID
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-cdc-unvaccinated-die-covid.html
11 times more likely to die
- anti-vaxers
- sceptics
- disbelievers
- various conspiracy believers
- misinformationists
- disinformationists
- political trolls
- the stupid
- etc
Rather Darwinian, isn’t it?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccines-last-a-lifetime-heres-why-covid-19-shots-dont-11631266201
Coaches to replace trains throughout Victoria’s regional network today
Victoria’s regional transport system has been thrown into chaos after at least four people linked to V/Line trains tested positive to COVID-19.
Coaches will replace all trains on the regional network, which also runs services through Melbourne.
“V/Line and the Department of Transport have been working closely with the Department of Health throughout this outbreak, and out of an abundance of caution we are suspending all trains today to limit the spread and to keep everyone safe,” a spokesperson said in a statement.
“After four positive tests the health advice has so far required more than 180 drivers and operational staff to isolate. Replacing trains with coaches will allow for services to continue to operate, give passengers certainty and help contain the outbreak.”
The first positive case linked to the V/Line services was reported on Thursday.
From the ABC live updates. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-12/covid-live-blog-qld-brisbane-regional-nsw-victoria-lockdown/100455050
On first thoughts, I’d have thought trains were waaaay better for distancing than buses. You are really squished up on the buses. For country services. I don’t know how well patronized they are at the moment, but as Melbourne people aren’t allowed to come out to the regions, I’d imagine there aren’t that many passengers, probably just regionals returning home.
watching NZ covid update(live), get back to that later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq7qp_wwuzw
Full press conference: 20 new Covid-19 community cases
Pfizer initially turned down the offer of developing a coronavirus vaccine because the company’s top executives thought the virus would be rapidly contained, like Sars and Mers.
Reporter Need Learn Spell Aids
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.
Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
the negative prophylaxis of the promise of immunity, the contagious umpunity
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
the negative prophylaxis of the promise of immunity, the contagious
umpunity
impunity
PM and friends could be in the war room regularly planning for the entire country to catch the nasty cold, get the other States over the line with the endothelial plague so that containing it back to elimination is not worth the effort, the home State looks not so bad then, the planted hyper-comparison will assist with that, along with the Victorian domino that will be no small army of people looking for free travel down the track, that sort of thing, expectation, social force
Glad As has maybe retreated out of view for more time in the war room, consulting with allies, focus more shifts to the PM and Victoria
hell bent on circulating endothelial plague being the norm, you’ll be reassured it’s like the seasonal flu after enough people are vaccinated
just some ideas running through my head, nothing like reality probably, likely even completely wrong, yeah i’d better say they are wrong
apparently what the world needs to get bipartisan mask wearing is another few passenger vehicles breaking high up windows
>At what point in the midst of a pandemic would anyone other than a politician think a good way to highlight the benefits of opening up is by saying, as did Scott Morrison last week, “they’ll have funerals, but people will be able to attend them”. I mean, even throwing in the “sadly” beforehand is a truly weird way to highlight hope.
How do you get to a point where you stand up in front of reporters, as did Gladys Berejiklian, and state that “death is horrible, but we also need to put things into perspective, because at the moment there are 8 million citizens who don’t have choice in how they spend their free time”.
As author Neil Gaiman, who came across my tweet of the video, noted: “No sentence that begins ‘Death is horrible but …’ is going anywhere good.”
Whether on Covid or climate, it seems our politicians really aren’t like you and me
Greg Jericho
https://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2021/sep/11/whether-on-covid-or-climate-it-seems-our-politicians-really-arent-like-you-and-me
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
SCIENCE said:
Genuine or shopped?
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
Could be the average over the first 60 days is lower, but the current rate is higher.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
on that subject, I haven’t checked, but was there only one seeding event into Vic that got the present situation happening
transition said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
on that subject, I haven’t checked, but was there only one seeding event into Vic that got the present situation happening
https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/just-a-bit-of-bad-luck-why-victoria-s-last-delta-outbreak-was-the-one-that-got-away-20210911-p58qrp.html
reading^
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
I read it as you do mv…the second bit doesn’t agree with the first bit. I read it several times and then decided it wasn’t worth my time and I went off for a nap.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Genuine or shopped?
we presumed a graphical fabrication
buffy said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
I read it as you do mv…the second bit doesn’t agree with the first bit. I read it several times and then decided it wasn’t worth my time and I went off for a nap.
yeah sorry we don’t guarantee everything else we cite is the highest quality, we just sift a variety of sources and pick out some shiny bits
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:SCIENCE said:
Genuine or shopped?
we presumed a graphical fabrication
Ta.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Genuine or shopped?
we presumed a graphical fabrication
Ta.
but it should be a real thing
¿ any of you know if there’s any truth to the rumour that NSW ICUs are overflowing into surgical operating rooms ?
¿ and that any non urgent surgery is cancelled ?
buffy said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.
right
???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
I read it as you do mv…the second bit doesn’t agree with the first bit. I read it several times and then decided it wasn’t worth my time and I went off for a nap.
It may be correct, in that going from 5 cases to 10 cases is an increase of 100% whine going from 100 cases to 150 cases is an increase of only 50%.
Or it could just be extremely bad/biased reporting that does not actually have to reflect the truth in any way.
We thought the point was that the COVID-19 Alarmist Pessimists were wanting forever lockdown and dreaming if they expected that SCIENCE and technology would never lead us to a way to end an infectious pandemic; and the Economy Must Grow For Your Wellbeing Optimists simply knew that there would never be a way to end infectious pandemics so flock immunity by forced natural infection would end an infectious pandemic.
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:???
So the facts do not support the opening statement. Or have I gotten something wrong?
I read it as you do mv…the second bit doesn’t agree with the first bit. I read it several times and then decided it wasn’t worth my time and I went off for a nap.
It may be correct, in that going from 5 cases to 10 cases is an increase of 100% whine going from 100 cases to 150 cases is an increase of only 50%.
Or it could just be extremely bad/biased reporting that does not actually have to reflect the truth in any way.
probably the secret intention, perhaps so secret that nobody knew of it including the writer of the article (perhaps it was unknowable), anyway while absorbing those comparisons and merging Victoria and NSW, you could forget where the outbreak was seeded from, it might be evaporated from your mind, or subordinated at least to the enthusiasm and habits of comparison
who knows how minds work
ChrispenEvan said:
pure political opportunism
ChrispenEvan said:
All Labor had to do to win the next election was to shut up and do nothing. This bloke must be young.
ABC News:
‘Victoria records 473 new local COVID-19 cases as Delta outbreak worsens
So far, 202 of the new cases identified overnight have been linked to known outbreaks.’
Gladys’s work lives on.
She will go down in history as the woman who re-opened the Australian economy.
Simply by doing nothing for long enough to ensure that, ultimately, there was no point in trying to protect people any longer.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria records 473 new local COVID-19 cases as Delta outbreak worsens
So far, 202 of the new cases identified overnight have been linked to known outbreaks.’Gladys’s work lives on.
She will go down in history as the woman who re-opened the Australian economy.
Simply by doing nothing for long enough to ensure that, ultimately, there was no point in trying to protect people any longer.
Now if I were to make a poor choice and 200-odd people died, I’d be charged with multiple counts of manslaughter. The worst Gladys could possibly suffer is an electoral defeat.
:(
Michael V said:
The worst Gladys could possibly suffer is an electoral defeat.
And a very generous retirement package, and some cushy no-work-involved appointments to the boards of a couple of companies.
A terrible fate.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria records 473 new local COVID-19 cases as Delta outbreak worsens
So far, 202 of the new cases identified overnight have been linked to known outbreaks.’Gladys’s work lives on.
She will go down in history as the woman who re-opened the Australian economy.
Simply by doing nothing for long enough to ensure that, ultimately, there was no point in trying to protect people any longer.
Now if I were to make a poor choice and 200-odd people died, I’d be charged with multiple counts of manslaughter. The worst Gladys could possibly suffer is an electoral defeat.
:(
I hate the Bin-chickens as much as anyone, but if avoiding high case numbers and associate deaths is a simple matter of applying sufficient restrictions sufficiently early, then surely non-dictator Dan must also take a share of the blame.
Or maybe it’s not that easy.
Victoria records 473 new local cases, the highest single-day tally of the outbreak so far.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Or maybe it’s not that easy.
No, it isn’t, i’m sure.
But Gladys’s kow-towing to pressure to not go hard and go early made it a whole lot more difficult.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Or maybe it’s not that easy.
No, it isn’t, i’m sure.
But Gladys’s kow-towing to pressure to not go hard and go early made it a whole lot more difficult.
So how come Victoria is following much the same course in terms of case numbers?
And why didn’t they shut their border earlier?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/12/australia-secures-1m-extra-moderna-vaccine-doses-with-plan-to-focus-on-melbourne-covid-hotspots
LOL, Hmmmmm.
:-)
The Rev Dodgson said:
And why didn’t they shut their border earlier?
I still wonder about that, too.
Perhaps Dictator Dan was also a rather leery of yet another big lockdown, and perhaps he was a bit too hopeful that the neighbours upstairs in NSW would do something decisive in time.
By the time he realised the risks, he’d left it too late.
reading about his last night just before went to bed, I found it interesting, then applied the idea to social behavior, just for thought walk, a thoughtly exploration, a thunkly thinkly derrr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
NSW Health knew it had failed to contain a super-spreader event in Sydney’s south-west on June 24, two days before it triggered the marathon citywide lockdown
The NSW government has previously refused to say whether Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant had called for an earlier lockdown
That new information casts doubt on previous comments from Health Minister Brad Hazzard about the timing of his department’s reaction to the cluster
gold
transition said:
reading about his last night just before went to bed, I found it interesting, then applied the idea to social behavior, just for thought walk, a thoughtly exploration, a thunkly thinkly derrr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
SCIENCE said:
transition said:reading about his last night just before went to bed, I found it interesting, then applied the idea to social behavior, just for thought walk, a thoughtly exploration, a thunkly thinkly derrr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
Those links seem to have infected each other.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:reading about his last night just before went to bed, I found it interesting, then applied the idea to social behavior, just for thought walk, a thoughtly exploration, a thunkly thinkly derrr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
Those links seem to have infected each other.
They are having babies.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:And why didn’t they shut their border earlier?
I still wonder about that, too.
Perhaps Dictator Dan was also a rather leery of yet another big lockdown, and perhaps he was a bit too hopeful that the neighbours upstairs in NSW would do something decisive in time.
By the time he realised the risks, he’d left it too late.
people get around a lot, travel, traverse space, we’re a traveling species, have vehicles for that, it’s perhaps understated as an advancement of the species, but it’s undoubtedly one of the biggest advancements, and there’s always been other things that hitch a ride
so imagine the social contraction, even devolution, the troubles if whatever that hitches a ride starts to kill and maim its transport, and of course people regularly swap breathable air, or find themselves in situation where it is unavoidable
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
Those links seem to have infected each other.
They are having babies.
regardless, surely you all see the abstract generalisation of the concept, we mean, Alanis Morissette almost did
transition said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
And why didn’t they shut their border earlier?
I still wonder about that, too.
Perhaps Dictator Dan was also a rather leery of yet another big lockdown, and perhaps he was a bit too hopeful that the neighbours upstairs in NSW would do something decisive in time.
By the time he realised the risks, he’d left it too late.
people get around a lot, travel, traverse space, we’re a traveling species, have vehicles for that, it’s perhaps understated as an advancement of the species, but it’s undoubtedly one of the biggest advancements, and there’s always been other things that hitch a ride
so imagine the social contraction, even devolution, the troubles if whatever that hitches a ride starts to kill and maim its transport, and of course people regularly swap breathable air, or find themselves in situation where it is unavoidable
It’s a fair point and not obvious that any given answer is correct but consider how
Some perspective,
but don’t worry we’re better than dirty south-east ASIANS, we live better with the virus, we only need a lower coverage rate, we’re exceptional.
—
Then again our cynical interpretation may be correct: we’ve known about B.1.617.2 long enough that the authorities may well have offered a mirage of hope deliberately, knowing full well that they could leverage the new danger strain to then revise the targets with an apparently reasonable justification, using the pressure to build vaccination compliance with both a carrot and a stick, before keeping to the restrictions anyway.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Victoria records 473 new local COVID-19 cases as Delta outbreak worsens
So far, 202 of the new cases identified overnight have been linked to known outbreaks.’Gladys’s work lives on.
She will go down in history as the woman who re-opened the Australian economy.
Simply by doing nothing for long enough to ensure that, ultimately, there was no point in trying to protect people any longer.
Now if I were to make a poor choice and 200-odd people died, I’d be charged with multiple counts of manslaughter. The worst Gladys could possibly suffer is an electoral defeat.
:(
I hate the Bin-chickens as much as anyone, but if avoiding high case numbers and associate deaths is a simple matter of applying sufficient restrictions sufficiently early, then surely non-dictator Dan must also take a share of the blame.
Or maybe it’s not that easy.
Vic hasn’t had many deaths this time round (2021). Yes, there were quite a few early last year, but there was little knowledge and no vaccines at that point.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-19/melbourne-200-days-of-covid-lockdowns-victoria/100386078
Looks to me like Vic has locked down on the basis of very low case numbers this year. Especially lockdown 5, which had only a couple of cases on the first day.
And in case anyone in NSW would like to whinge, someone has gone to the trouble of detailing what Victorians have lived with since March last year. It might give NSWers an idea of why we don’t listen well to complaints from the North.
https://bigaustraliabucketlist.com/victoria-lockdowns-dates-restrictions/
NSW: 1,257 new local cases; seven deaths
SCIENCE said:
transition said:captain_spalding said:
I still wonder about that, too.
Perhaps Dictator Dan was also a rather leery of yet another big lockdown, and perhaps he was a bit too hopeful that the neighbours upstairs in NSW would do something decisive in time.
By the time he realised the risks, he’d left it too late.
people get around a lot, travel, traverse space, we’re a traveling species, have vehicles for that, it’s perhaps understated as an advancement of the species, but it’s undoubtedly one of the biggest advancements, and there’s always been other things that hitch a ride
so imagine the social contraction, even devolution, the troubles if whatever that hitches a ride starts to kill and maim its transport, and of course people regularly swap breathable air, or find themselves in situation where it is unavoidable
It’s a fair point and not obvious that any given answer is correct but consider how
- other geopolitical divisions have eliminated B.1.617.2
- there is ongoing
bioterrorism exportcase leakage out of NSWuhan- if anyone might have lockdown fatigue or might be a state that has gone through it 6 times
- fatigue would barely be an issue if a short sharp lockdown did its quick job and not some bullshit 12 week ongoing
…
possibly useful as a thought exercise could be to start with money and news are in the contagion business, and ask what sort of cultural commitment or loyalty would be required locally (country, States, whatever) to counter that force, expansionist force, when needed, really needed
probably the end of civilization really, the spread of the contagion business
I mean it’s literally true isn’t it, that news wants to be, works toward being contagious, it’s in that sort of business, the contagion business, social media also
money’s in the contagion business
consider the unusual relationship, in the modern context, with a serious contagion like the endothelial plague that has emerged
anyway i’d say the NSW premier and the chief of the country will end up being casualties of fear of even being modestly different, the modest difference could have been that the entirely of Australia could have remained covid-19-free
I say modest as in needed not court envy
soon as you court envy, wandering comparison, well it’s half a step from jealousy, comparison actually brings things together when aggressive, forcefully (of social thinking, including a systems view), so the social brain while comparing things can do just the opposite of what it feels like it is doing, it doesn’t see or measure difference to appreciate or respect it, but more to eliminate it, or reduces it
the chief and others courted envy, by saying envy of the world, one of the dumbest utterances ever, or perhaps it was clever
goes to contempt real easy
Why did Gladys decide to press conference today? There wasn’t really anything she said that was new – I heard her on the radio when I was coming back from Hamilton. Was it just because the NSW opposition leader and shadow health person had said they would press conference at 11.00am? (Did they do it?)
Checking on Sweden again. Now down to place number 42 (dropped another 2 places since I last checked) on the deaths per million chart. I reckon South Africa and Latvia will overtake them pretty soon, and Greece isn’t too far off either.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And they certainly seem to have quelled the deaths, since around the middle of June.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
buffy said:
Checking on Sweden again. Now down to place number 42 (dropped another 2 places since I last checked) on the deaths per million chart. I reckon South Africa and Latvia will overtake them pretty soon, and Greece isn’t too far off either.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And they certainly seem to have quelled the deaths, since around the middle of June.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
A million plus infected, a million plus who suffered but recovered, but 14,000 dead.
I suppose that a combination of letting the virus have free rein in the early days, plus a later addition of vaccination, means that it’s possibly infected all those susceptible and killed all those who were at risk of dying.
Maybe it’s just running out of Swedish targets.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Checking on Sweden again. Now down to place number 42 (dropped another 2 places since I last checked) on the deaths per million chart. I reckon South Africa and Latvia will overtake them pretty soon, and Greece isn’t too far off either.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And they certainly seem to have quelled the deaths, since around the middle of June.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
A million plus infected, a million plus who suffered but recovered, but 14,000 dead.
I suppose that a combination of letting the virus have free rein in the early days, plus a later addition of vaccination, means that it’s possibly infected all those susceptible and killed all those who were at risk of dying.
Maybe it’s just running out of Swedish targets.
I’m not sure about that.
I’ve checked Craig Kelly’s site and there’s nothing about it there, maybe it’s just one of those known unknowns.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Checking on Sweden again. Now down to place number 42 (dropped another 2 places since I last checked) on the deaths per million chart. I reckon South Africa and Latvia will overtake them pretty soon, and Greece isn’t too far off either.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And they certainly seem to have quelled the deaths, since around the middle of June.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
A million plus infected, a million plus who suffered but recovered, but 14,000 dead.
I suppose that a combination of letting the virus have free rein in the early days, plus a later addition of vaccination, means that it’s possibly infected all those susceptible and killed all those who were at risk of dying.
Maybe it’s just running out of Swedish targets.
They will have a reasonable level of natural immunity in their younger folk, I expect. Combined with a reasonable level of vaccinations they have more cover than we have. I would also dispute that “a million plus who suffered but recovered”. We know this thing has a large percentage of no to minimal symptoms episodes. Not every one suffers who catches it. In fact quite a large percentage don’t.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:people get around a lot, travel, traverse space, we’re a traveling species, have vehicles for that, it’s perhaps understated as an advancement of the species, but it’s undoubtedly one of the biggest advancements, and there’s always been other things that hitch a ride
so imagine the social contraction, even devolution, the troubles if whatever that hitches a ride starts to kill and maim its transport, and of course people regularly swap breathable air, or find themselves in situation where it is unavoidable
It’s a fair point and not obvious that any given answer is correct but consider how
- other geopolitical divisions have eliminated B.1.617.2
- there is ongoing
bioterrorism exportcase leakage out of NSWuhan- if anyone might have lockdown fatigue or might be a state that has gone through it 6 times
- fatigue would barely be an issue if a short sharp lockdown did its quick job and not some bullshit 12 week ongoing
…
possibly useful as a thought exercise could be to start with money and news are in the contagion business, and ask what sort of cultural commitment or loyalty would be required locally (country, States, whatever) to counter that force, expansionist force, when needed, really needed
probably the end of civilization really, the spread of the contagion business
I mean it’s literally true isn’t it, that news wants to be, works toward being contagious, it’s in that sort of business, the contagion business, social media also
money’s in the contagion business
consider the unusual relationship, in the modern context, with a serious contagion like the endothelial plague that has emerged
anyway i’d say the NSW premier and the chief of the country will end up being casualties of fear of even being modestly different, the modest difference could have been that the entirely of Australia could have remained covid-19-free
I say modest as in needed not court envy
soon as you court envy, wandering comparison, well it’s half a step from jealousy, comparison actually brings things together when aggressive, forcefully (of social thinking, including a systems view), so the social brain while comparing things can do just the opposite of what it feels like it is doing, it doesn’t see or measure difference to appreciate or respect it, but more to eliminate it, or reduces it
the chief and others courted envy, by saying envy of the world, one of the dumbest utterances ever, or perhaps it was clever
goes to contempt real easy
if you endlessly nuance a comparison of (or involving) social behaviors, good chance it will drive a convergence of behavior and views
my view was the PM and the NSW premier adopted a more relative perspective from a bigger field at some stage, assisted by the media in no small way, encouraged
and every day the ‘method’ is evident in the media reporting, along with the use of associative learning ideas, they manage what ideas you associate, what with what, this with that, the patterns of thought, the habits of thought, the unabstracted expectations of more of the same, the assumption you make with no apparent thought at all, the ease of thought, the economy of thought
and who wants to hold thoughts that contradict commonsense, have good sense instead, sustain contradictions
who was that guy, less known for his social philosophy, that said something about the reluctance and further unlikelihood of people forming opinions contrary to the prejudices of their social environment
https://www.thelocal.se/20210909/swedish-regions-roll-out-booster-shots-of-covid-19-vaccine/
Sweden also seems to have quite a good level of vaccination organized. And are looking at boosters for the most vulnerable now.
ChrispenEvan said:
I see Gladys eventually did the press she was always scheduled to do that had nothing at all whatsoever to do with this. :)
Look how vaccinated Denmark is now.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036136246/covid-denmark-eu-restrictions
What would it take for antivaxxers and climate science deniers to ‘wake up’?
Facts are puny against the carapace of denial when people’s sense of self is at stake. However, in the case of Covid deniers, imminent death seems to do the trick
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/what-would-it-take-for-antivaxxers-and-climate-science-deniers-to-wake-up
Bubblecar said:
What would it take for antivaxxers and climate science deniers to ‘wake up’?Facts are puny against the carapace of denial when people’s sense of self is at stake. However, in the case of Covid deniers, imminent death seems to do the trick
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/what-would-it-take-for-antivaxxers-and-climate-science-deniers-to-wake-up
more generally, it usually takes a personal experience (that being a loved one to catch covid, or for the person themselves to catch it) in order for these to be a significant change in attitudes.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
What would it take for antivaxxers and climate science deniers to ‘wake up’?Facts are puny against the carapace of denial when people’s sense of self is at stake. However, in the case of Covid deniers, imminent death seems to do the trick
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/what-would-it-take-for-antivaxxers-and-climate-science-deniers-to-wake-up
more generally, it usually takes a personal experience (that being a loved one to catch covid, or for the person themselves to catch it) in order for these to be a significant change in attitudes.
OTOH, a number of these reportedly went to their deaths still railing against vaccines:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
What would it take for antivaxxers and climate science deniers to ‘wake up’?Facts are puny against the carapace of denial when people’s sense of self is at stake. However, in the case of Covid deniers, imminent death seems to do the trick
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/what-would-it-take-for-antivaxxers-and-climate-science-deniers-to-wake-up
more generally, it usually takes a personal experience (that being a loved one to catch covid, or for the person themselves to catch it) in order for these to be a significant change in attitudes.
OTOH, a number of these reportedly went to their deaths still railing against vaccines:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
indeed, lots of people are extremely stubborn
Bubblecar said:
What would it take for antivaxxers and climate science deniers to ‘wake up’?Facts are puny against the carapace of denial when people’s sense of self is at stake. However, in the case of Covid deniers, imminent death seems to do the trick
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/what-would-it-take-for-antivaxxers-and-climate-science-deniers-to-wake-up
reading that, bit of a mixed bag of subjects really, is the guardian studying human irrationality, I wonder
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/12/long-covid-post-illnes-symptoms-common
reading that^, not without its own slant shall I say, in my opinion
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
What would it take for antivaxxers and climate science deniers to ‘wake up’?Facts are puny against the carapace of denial when people’s sense of self is at stake. However, in the case of Covid deniers, imminent death seems to do the trick
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/what-would-it-take-for-antivaxxers-and-climate-science-deniers-to-wake-up
more generally, it usually takes a personal experience (that being a loved one to catch covid, or for the person themselves to catch it) in order for these to be a significant change in attitudes.
OTOH, a number of these reportedly went to their deaths still railing against vaccines:
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
You’ll never change someones beliefs with all the facts in the world.
War of words over Victoria’s vaccine ‘blitz’ doses
Reporting by Sian Johnson
Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt and Victorian Health Minister Martin Foley are at odds over whether or not Commonwealth representatives told Victorian officials the state was being given an extra 400,000 doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines before Prime Minister Scott Morrison publicly announced it on Sunday.
The extra doses will be focused on Melbourne’s north and west, where more than 90 per cent of today’s 473 new local COVID cases reside.
On Sunday, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews appeared unaware of the announcement until told by a reporter at a press conference.
Today Mr Foley said he only received confirmation from the federal government yesterday that the extra doses had been allocated to Victoria.
“There was no confirmation at any time that those vaccines were coming until such time as the Prime Minister made his announcement,” he said. “That’s fantastic, we welcome more vaccines.”He said “it’d be nice” to have had more notice of such decisions.
But on ABC Radio Melbourne this morning, Mr Hunt said Mr Foley and other Victorian representatives knew last week that the state would be getting the extra doses.
“Martin Foley and I worked up the plan to have federal doses come to Victoria to focus on the north-west, focusing on doses for the state, doses for GPs, doses for pharmacies and that it would be announced on the weekend,” he said.He said the Commonwealth had acted in “good faith” but “unfortunately someone tried to play a game”.
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Hmm.
buffy said:
He said the Commonwealth had acted in “good faith” but “unfortunately someone tried to play a game”.
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Hmm.
I don’t think there is much good faith left.
buffy said:
Why did Gladys decide to press conference today? There wasn’t really anything she said that was new – I heard her on the radio when I was coming back from Hamilton. Was it just because the NSW opposition leader and shadow health person had said they would press conference at 11.00am? (Did they do it?)
we mean one could ask what the value of those press conferences has been for the past 100 days
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Checking on Sweden again. Now down to place number 42 (dropped another 2 places since I last checked) on the deaths per million chart. I reckon South Africa and Latvia will overtake them pretty soon, and Greece isn’t too far off either.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And they certainly seem to have quelled the deaths, since around the middle of June.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
A million plus infected, a million plus who suffered but recovered, but 14,000 dead.
I suppose that a combination of letting the virus have free rein in the early days, plus a later addition of vaccination, means that it’s possibly infected all those susceptible and killed all those who were at risk of dying.
Maybe it’s just running out of Swedish targets.
They will have a reasonable level of natural immunity in their younger folk, I expect. Combined with a reasonable level of vaccinations they have more cover than we have. I would also dispute that “a million plus who suffered but recovered”. We know this thing has a large percentage of no to minimal symptoms episodes. Not every one suffers who catches it. In fact quite a large percentage don’t.
there are much larger countries, and countries with very low cases and deaths relatively speaking, and in the intersection of those sets, we thought the consensus was that it was all lies, nothing to do with actually getting cases down, so … let’s see … oh
Calls for harsh rules to apply for suburbs instead of LGAs
Gladys Berejiklian will meet the mayors of Sydney’s hardest-hit areas after being criticised for initially refusing their request amid concerns of worsening divisions in the city.
2 hours ago
NSW reopening will crash ICUs across the state, claims new science lobby group
Unless restrictions are reimposed, NSW’s road map to reopening would lead to all the state’s ICU beds being full for five weeks over Christmas, modelling by OzSAGE projects.
US man dies after being turned away from 43 hospitals as COVID packs ICUs
The family of Ray DeMonia is urging those who remain unvaccinated to get immunised to help hospitals that have been pushed to their limits.
Cardiac, cancer patients waylaid as COVID floods state hospitals
Victorian hospitals have paused elective surgeries for all but urgent patients at risk of imminent death, as waiting lists’ blow out to record levels.
I reckon it’s a bit early to call; they’re getting excited. Within error? By eyeball, yes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/epidemiologists-say-nsw-covid-19-curve-flattening/100458076
Michael V said:
I reckon it’s a bit early to call; they’re getting excited. Within error? By eyeball, yes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/epidemiologists-say-nsw-covid-19-curve-flattening/100458076
Time To Let It Rip ® ¡
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:I reckon it’s a bit early to call; they’re getting excited. Within error? By eyeball, yes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/epidemiologists-say-nsw-covid-19-curve-flattening/100458076
Time To Let It Rip ® ¡
No, not that, please.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
I reckon it’s a bit early to call; they’re getting excited. Within error? By eyeball, yes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/epidemiologists-say-nsw-covid-19-curve-flattening/100458076
Time To Let It Rip ® ¡
No, not that, please.
Well you and we know that if B.1.617.2 is twice as infectious as before, then we need at least half the population vaccinated just to get it to the level where we can control it with restrictions that worked before.
And it seems that’s what your chart is showing, so now that we’re here, they’ll need to keep it up and get back to essentially zero for test tracé isolate to work.
BUT
You and we know that the marketing will sell this as a growth is over picture, and that means…
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:SCIENCE said:
Time To Let It Rip ® ¡
No, not that, please.
Well you and we know that if B.1.617.2 is twice as infectious as before, then we need at least half the population vaccinated just to get it to the level where we can control it with restrictions that worked before.
And it seems that’s what your chart is showing, so now that we’re here, they’ll need to keep it up and get back to essentially zero for test tracé isolate to work.
BUT
You and we know that the marketing will sell this as a growth is over picture, and that means…
Agree.
Possibly (My jury’s out on that. I’d like to see at least a few more days data.)
Quite likely.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:SCIENCE said:
Time To Let It Rip ® ¡
No, not that, please.
Well you and we know that if B.1.617.2 is twice as infectious as before, then we need at least half the population vaccinated just to get it to the level where we can control it with restrictions that worked before.
And it seems that’s what your chart is showing, so now that we’re here, they’ll need to keep it up and get back to essentially zero for test tracé isolate to work.
BUT
You and we know that the marketing will sell this as a growth is over picture, and that means…
A software problem is being blamed for incorrectly inflating the number of Indigenous Australians thought to have been vaccinated against COVID-19 in Victoria.
Key points:
The state had been hailed as a success story at a time when Indigenous vaccination rates continue to lag behind the general population elsewhere.
Figures released by the federal government on Sunday suggested 47,954 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in Victoria had received one vaccine dose, with 30,951 fully vaccinated.
However, those figures were revised down on Monday to 21,559 people having received a first dose, and 12,209 being fully vaccinated.
According to the national COVID-19 vaccine taskforce, led by Lieutenant General John Frewen, it meant the Indigenous vaccination rate in Victoria had dropped from in excess of 60 per cent of people having received a first dose to around 45 per cent.
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“Nationally, there has also been a small decrease in the first dose coverage rate for Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, from 38.7 per cent to 36.3 per cent ,” it said.
The taskforce blamed a software issue that was “incorrectly assigning Indigenous status to patients where the field was left blank”.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/indigenous-vaccination-rates-in-victoria-dashed-software-error/100459000
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hmmmm.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:No, not that, please.
Well you and we know that if B.1.617.2 is twice as infectious as before, then we need at least half the population vaccinated just to get it to the level where we can control it with restrictions that worked before.
And it seems that’s what your chart is showing, so now that we’re here, they’ll need to keep it up and get back to essentially zero for test tracé isolate to work.
BUT
You and we know that the marketing will sell this as a growth is over picture, and that means…
That suggests that if you end up in intensive, you only have a 60% chance of survival?
Dark Orange said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:Well you and we know that if B.1.617.2 is twice as infectious as before, then we need at least half the population vaccinated just to get it to the level where we can control it with restrictions that worked before.
And it seems that’s what your chart is showing, so now that we’re here, they’ll need to keep it up and get back to essentially zero for test tracé isolate to work.
BUT
You and we know that the marketing will sell this as a growth is over picture, and that means…
That suggests that if you end up in intensive, you only have a 60% chance of survival?
The deceased may, or may not, have been in intensive care.
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:
poikilotherm said:
That suggests that if you end up in intensive, you only have a 60% chance of survival?
The deceased may, or may not, have been in intensive care.
Valid point.
sarahs mum said:
A software problem is being blamed for incorrectly inflating the number of Indigenous Australians thought to have been vaccinated against COVID-19 in Victoria.
Key points: The number of Indigenous Victorians vaccinated against COVID-19 is revised down The software problem incorrectly assigned Indigenous status to patients where part of a form was left blank The government also announces a priority of 30 Indigenous communities as part of vaccine rolloutThe state had been hailed as a success story at a time when Indigenous vaccination rates continue to lag behind the general population elsewhere.
Figures released by the federal government on Sunday suggested 47,954 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders in Victoria had received one vaccine dose, with 30,951 fully vaccinated.
However, those figures were revised down on Monday to 21,559 people having received a first dose, and 12,209 being fully vaccinated.
According to the national COVID-19 vaccine taskforce, led by Lieutenant General John Frewen, it meant the Indigenous vaccination rate in Victoria had dropped from in excess of 60 per cent of people having received a first dose to around 45 per cent.
LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic“Nationally, there has also been a small decrease in the first dose coverage rate for Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, from 38.7 per cent to 36.3 per cent ,” it said.
The taskforce blamed a software issue that was “incorrectly assigning Indigenous status to patients where the field was left blank”.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/indigenous-vaccination-rates-in-victoria-dashed-software-error/100459000
—-hmmmm.
robodebt wasn’t computers we swear
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:No, not that, please.
Well you and we know that if B.1.617.2 is twice as infectious as before, then we need at least half the population vaccinated just to get it to the level where we can control it with restrictions that worked before.
And it seems that’s what your chart is showing, so now that we’re here, they’ll need to keep it up and get back to essentially zero for test tracé isolate to work.
BUT
You and we know that the marketing will sell this as a growth is over picture, and that means…
¿ wait so those intensive care nurses are lying ?
