Date: 8/09/2021 11:38:41
From: dv
ID: 1787814
Subject: News Corp to cease denialism

SYDNEY, Australia — After years of casting doubt on climate change and attacking politicians who favored corrective action, Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets in his native Australia are planning an editorial campaign next month advocating a carbon-neutral future.

Depending on its content, the project, described by executives at Mr. Murdoch’s News Corp on Monday, could be a breakthrough that provides political cover for Australia’s conservative government to end its refusal to set ambitious emission targets. If sustained, it could also put pressure on Fox News and other Murdoch-owned outlets in the United States and Britain that have been hostile to climate science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/business/news-corp-climate-change.html

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Date: 8/09/2021 11:44:40
From: sibeen
ID: 1787818
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Good.

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Date: 8/09/2021 11:46:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1787820
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

dv said:


SYDNEY, Australia — After years of casting doubt on climate change and attacking politicians who favored corrective action, Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets in his native Australia are planning an editorial campaign next month advocating a carbon-neutral future.

Depending on its content, the project, described by executives at Mr. Murdoch’s News Corp on Monday, could be a breakthrough that provides political cover for Australia’s conservative government to end its refusal to set ambitious emission targets. If sustained, it could also put pressure on Fox News and other Murdoch-owned outlets in the United States and Britain that have been hostile to climate science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/business/news-corp-climate-change.html

I smell a rat.

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Date: 8/09/2021 11:46:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1787821
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Scam.

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Date: 8/09/2021 11:46:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1787822
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

sibeen said:


Good.

Edward Woodwood would.

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Date: 8/09/2021 11:47:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1787824
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

News Corp hasn’t seen the light on climate – they’re just updating their tactics
https://reneweconomy.com.au/news-corp-hasnt-seen-the-light-on-climate-theyre-just-updating-their-tactics/

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Date: 8/09/2021 11:54:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1787827
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Scam.

News Corp hasn’t seen the light on climate – they’re just updating their tactics
https://reneweconomy.com.au/news-corp-hasnt-seen-the-light-on-climate-theyre-just-updating-their-tactics/

^ ^^

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Date: 8/09/2021 12:09:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1787839
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

dv said:


SYDNEY, Australia — After years of casting doubt on climate change and attacking politicians who favored corrective action, Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets in his native Australia are planning an editorial campaign next month advocating a carbon-neutral future.

Depending on its content, the project, described by executives at Mr. Murdoch’s News Corp on Monday, could be a breakthrough that provides political cover for Australia’s conservative government to end its refusal to set ambitious emission targets. If sustained, it could also put pressure on Fox News and other Murdoch-owned outlets in the United States and Britain that have been hostile to climate science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/business/news-corp-climate-change.html

How long did it take to them to accept it?

News Corp are not very good at climate analysis.

Not very good at any other analysis either.

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Date: 8/09/2021 12:22:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1787852
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

sarahs mum said:


News Corp hasn’t seen the light on climate – they’re just updating their tactics
https://reneweconomy.com.au/news-corp-hasnt-seen-the-light-on-climate-theyre-just-updating-their-tactics/

ok.

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Date: 8/09/2021 12:30:45
From: Michael V
ID: 1787860
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

I’ll wait and see before I pass judgement. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

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Date: 8/09/2021 15:32:21
From: Speedy
ID: 1787918
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

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Date: 8/09/2021 15:43:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1787924
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Speedy said:

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

but as sarahs mum says, it sounds just like a scam, just like some foreign interfering agents updating their tactics, so is that too good to be true

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Date: 8/09/2021 15:53:56
From: transition
ID: 1787926
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

i’d expect they’ll carve out and maintain their ‘market’, inline with their interests that way, any way that works, with an international appeal that serves those interests

ideas and views over the group biology, what culture does, and ideology perhaps more importantly, since things got as big as they did, perhaps not entirely an honest progression of democracy as things go

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Date: 8/09/2021 16:58:09
From: Ian
ID: 1787944
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

sarahs mum said:


News Corp hasn’t seen the light on climate – they’re just updating their tactics
https://reneweconomy.com.au/news-corp-hasnt-seen-the-light-on-climate-theyre-just-updating-their-tactics/

Interesting. Murdoch doesn’t like to be seen to be backing the losing side…

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Date: 8/09/2021 17:26:21
From: dv
ID: 1787954
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Seems there’s a lot of cynicism in this forum

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Date: 8/09/2021 17:40:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1787960
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

dv said:


Seems there’s a lot of cynicism in this forum

I don’t know why.

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Date: 8/09/2021 17:48:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1787963
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Seems there’s a lot of cynicism in this forum

I don’t know why.

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Date: 8/09/2021 20:21:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1788057
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

dv said:


SYDNEY, Australia — After years of casting doubt on climate change and attacking politicians who favored corrective action, Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets in his native Australia are planning an editorial campaign next month advocating a carbon-neutral future.

Depending on its content, the project, described by executives at Mr. Murdoch’s News Corp on Monday, could be a breakthrough that provides political cover for Australia’s conservative government to end its refusal to set ambitious emission targets. If sustained, it could also put pressure on Fox News and other Murdoch-owned outlets in the United States and Britain that have been hostile to climate science.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/business/news-corp-climate-change.html


I don’t know why that’s an issue. Nobody watches/reads Newscorp anyway.

Really, seriously, somebody needs to sue the IPCC.

For a billion dollars? or more?

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Date: 8/09/2021 20:23:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1788059
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t know why that’s an issue. Nobody watches/reads Newscorp anyway.

Is that what you glean from BTN?

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Date: 8/09/2021 20:41:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1788065
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Witty Rejoinder said:


mollwollfumble said:

I don’t know why that’s an issue. Nobody watches/reads Newscorp anyway.

Is that what you glean from BTN?

Thanks for remembering :-)

I don’t know anyone, in person, who has ever admitted to watching/reading Newscorp. Are you a watcher/reader of Newscorp?

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Date: 8/09/2021 20:45:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1788069
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t know why that’s an issue. Nobody watches/reads Newscorp anyway.

Is that what you glean from BTN?

Thanks for remembering :-)

I don’t know anyone, in person, who has ever admitted to watching/reading Newscorp. Are you a watcher/reader of Newscorp?

Forget personal anecdotes and trust the data:

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8788-thinknewsbrands-total-news-readership-release-august-2021-202108200629

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Date: 8/09/2021 20:51:12
From: sibeen
ID: 1788073
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Witty Rejoinder said:


mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is that what you glean from BTN?

Thanks for remembering :-)

I don’t know anyone, in person, who has ever admitted to watching/reading Newscorp. Are you a watcher/reader of Newscorp?

Forget personal anecdotes and trust the data:

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8788-thinknewsbrands-total-news-readership-release-august-2021-202108200629

The number of people you don’t know is far, far greater than those they do.

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Date: 8/09/2021 20:55:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1788075
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t know why that’s an issue. Nobody watches/reads Newscorp anyway.

Is that what you glean from BTN?

Thanks for remembering :-)

I don’t know anyone, in person, who has ever admitted to watching/reading Newscorp. Are you a watcher/reader of Newscorp?

Not Here.

Murdoch is banned here.

Murdoch ceasing media operations would be much better news.

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Date: 8/09/2021 21:02:40
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1788078
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is that what you glean from BTN?

Thanks for remembering :-)

I don’t know anyone, in person, who has ever admitted to watching/reading Newscorp. Are you a watcher/reader of Newscorp?

Not Here.

Murdoch is banned here.

Murdoch ceasing media operations would be much better news.

Someone should develop an worldwide environmental destructive rating for Rupert Murdoch.

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Date: 9/09/2021 04:58:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1788147
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Thanks for remembering :-)

I don’t know anyone, in person, who has ever admitted to watching/reading Newscorp. Are you a watcher/reader of Newscorp?

Not Here.

Murdoch is banned here.

Murdoch ceasing media operations would be much better news.

Someone should develop an worldwide environmental destructive rating for Rupert Murdoch.

And for the IPCC. I do read the IPCC.

I wonder which would have a higher environmental destructive rating.

Let’s put the environmental destructive rating of the IPCC at, say in round numbers,
A loss of 100 billion tonnes of biological carbon from forest plants.

Can Rupert Murdoch top that?

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Date: 9/09/2021 06:28:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 1788150
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not Here.

Murdoch is banned here.

Murdoch ceasing media operations would be much better news.

Someone should develop an worldwide environmental destructive rating for Rupert Murdoch.

And for the IPCC. I do read the IPCC.

I wonder which would have a higher environmental destructive rating.

Let’s put the environmental destructive rating of the IPCC at, say in round numbers,
A loss of 100 billion tonnes of biological carbon from forest plants.

Can Rupert Murdoch top that?

OK. Lay your data on the table. We’d truly love to see how you came to this conclusion.

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Date: 9/09/2021 20:52:02
From: Kingy
ID: 1788453
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Not Here.

Murdoch is banned here.

Murdoch ceasing media operations would be much better news.

Someone should develop an worldwide environmental destructive rating for Rupert Murdoch.

And for the IPCC. I do read the IPCC.

I wonder which would have a higher environmental destructive rating.

Let’s put the environmental destructive rating of the IPCC at, say in round numbers,
A loss of 100 billion tonnes of biological carbon from forest plants.

Can Rupert Murdoch top that?

That doesn’t even make sense.

RU OK?

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Date: 13/09/2021 06:24:25
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1789619
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

Kingy said:


mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Someone should develop an worldwide environmental destructive rating for Rupert Murdoch.

And for the IPCC. I do read the IPCC.

I wonder which would have a higher environmental destructive rating.

Let’s put the environmental destructive rating of the IPCC at, say in round numbers,
A loss of 100 billion tonnes of biological carbon from forest plants.

Can Rupert Murdoch top that?

That doesn’t even make sense.

RU OK?

Am I? Not really.

It makes more sense than assigning a destructiveness rating to Rupert Murdoch.

I’ve calculated the destructiveness rating of the IPCC as the destructiveness of halting the increase of atmospheric CO2. Resulting in a loss of plant growth (starvation) to the tune of 100 billion tonnes of biological carbon.

I’m wondering how to talk to a reporter from News Corp to discuss my discoveries. Such as the effect of the IPCC’s factor of 5 error in the calculation of atmospheric oxygen depletion, NASA’s NPP results from the Terra satellite, the biological carbon lost (CaCO3) to coral reef growth since the end of the last ice age, and the non-linearity of CO2 increase vs global warming. News Corp may not even know of the mass resignation protest of IPCC scientists following Kyoto.

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Date: 13/09/2021 09:09:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1789644
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:

News Corp may not even know of the mass resignation protest of IPCC scientists following Kyoto.

Got a link on that?

Just so we know which mass resignation protest you are talking about.

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Date: 13/09/2021 13:47:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1789715
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

> RUOK

Not really. I had believed everything the IPCC had told us. And thought that the trouble was the newspaper hype and the gross exaggerations by environmentalist politicians. Starting with Gore, his “collapse” of the Greenland Ice Sheet and his “refugees flooding into the United States”. Sure I was aware that Clobal Climate Models are all inaccurate because I’m an expert in computer fluid dynamics in the atmosphere, and was fully aware that climate prediction is less accurate than weather prediction.

I was aware that the overall picture presented by the IPCC first report in 1990 was a little biased. I thought that the detailed scientific work was good, just improperly emphasised in the overview.

Later, I deplored the stated complete change in IPCC policy after Kyoto where they adopted a policy to deliberately ignore all positive aspects of climate change and report only “how bad could it get”. (I read this in the introduction to the first IPCC science report after Kyoto).

But I still held on to the belief that the IPCC’s work, when it failed to correspond to reality, was an accidental oversight.

Recently, however, I’ve taken a knock to my equilibrium in realising that from the very first IPCC report, some of the scientists involved were already setting out to deliberately deceive the public. That comes as quite a shock to my system.

The 2021 IPCC report was another shock to the system. In earlier reports it was accepted that atmospheric CO2 was an important cause of global warming. At the start of the 2021 report in the executive summary, and in the radiative forcing chapter we find that they’ve changed their scientific methodology to exclude all the science, replacing it with the faulty assumption that global warming depends only on atmospheric CO2 concentration, and even then getting the mathematical description of the dependence wrong.

I conclude that the 2021 IPCC report “isn’t worth a pair of fetid dingo’s kidneys”. It’s only a meta-analysis anyway, selecting scientific papers that support your bias and misquoting them for political ends. The only reference on the effect of sea level rise on coral reefs in the report for instance is a reference that has nothing whatever to do with that topic.

Accepting that the IPCC has been deliberately and successfully misleading me for 30 years upsets my equilibrium enormously. That science should be so horribly manipulated, that it tarnishes the reputation of the whole of scientific enquiry … no I’m not OK.

I’m tempted to go back through the IPCC reports to determine exactly which IPCC scientists set out to mislead the public, and which are unbiased. For example, for the 1995 IPCC report, scientists J.T. Houghton and J.M. Melillo are two that deliberatly set out to mislead the public.

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:
News Corp may not even know of the mass resignation protest of IPCC scientists following Kyoto.

Got a link on that?

Just so we know which mass resignation protest you are talking about.

The protest resignation was announced in New Scientist magazine in their News in Science section at the time. 1997? I read all the News in Science articles in New Scientist in those years.

No I didn’t keep a photocopy.

The news was that two thirds of the IPCC Scientists had left the IPCC. Because it had become too political.

If you want an independent check – look at the names of the IPCC scientists before and after Kyoto.

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Date: 13/09/2021 14:02:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1789717
Subject: re: News Corp to cease denialism

mollwollfumble said:


> RUOK

Not really. I had believed everything the IPCC had told us. And thought that the trouble was the newspaper hype and the gross exaggerations by environmentalist politicians. Starting with Gore, his “collapse” of the Greenland Ice Sheet and his “refugees flooding into the United States”. Sure I was aware that Clobal Climate Models are all inaccurate because I’m an expert in computer fluid dynamics in the atmosphere, and was fully aware that climate prediction is less accurate than weather prediction.

I was aware that the overall picture presented by the IPCC first report in 1990 was a little biased. I thought that the detailed scientific work was good, just improperly emphasised in the overview.

Later, I deplored the stated complete change in IPCC policy after Kyoto where they adopted a policy to deliberately ignore all positive aspects of climate change and report only “how bad could it get”. (I read this in the introduction to the first IPCC science report after Kyoto).

But I still held on to the belief that the IPCC’s work, when it failed to correspond to reality, was an accidental oversight.

Recently, however, I’ve taken a knock to my equilibrium in realising that from the very first IPCC report, some of the scientists involved were already setting out to deliberately deceive the public. That comes as quite a shock to my system.

The 2021 IPCC report was another shock to the system. In earlier reports it was accepted that atmospheric CO2 was an important cause of global warming. At the start of the 2021 report in the executive summary, and in the radiative forcing chapter we find that they’ve changed their scientific methodology to exclude all the science, replacing it with the faulty assumption that global warming depends only on atmospheric CO2 concentration, and even then getting the mathematical description of the dependence wrong.

I conclude that the 2021 IPCC report “isn’t worth a pair of fetid dingo’s kidneys”. It’s only a meta-analysis anyway, selecting scientific papers that support your bias and misquoting them for political ends. The only reference on the effect of sea level rise on coral reefs in the report for instance is a reference that has nothing whatever to do with that topic.

Accepting that the IPCC has been deliberately and successfully misleading me for 30 years upsets my equilibrium enormously. That science should be so horribly manipulated, that it tarnishes the reputation of the whole of scientific enquiry … no I’m not OK.

I’m tempted to go back through the IPCC reports to determine exactly which IPCC scientists set out to mislead the public, and which are unbiased. For example, for the 1995 IPCC report, scientists J.T. Houghton and J.M. Melillo are two that deliberatly set out to mislead the public.

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:
News Corp may not even know of the mass resignation protest of IPCC scientists following Kyoto.

Got a link on that?

Just so we know which mass resignation protest you are talking about.

The protest resignation was announced in New Scientist magazine in their News in Science section at the time. 1997? I read all the News in Science articles in New Scientist in those years.

No I didn’t keep a photocopy.

The news was that two thirds of the IPCC Scientists had left the IPCC. Because it had become too political.

If you want an independent check – look at the names of the IPCC scientists before and after Kyoto.

I’m sure someone must have kept a photocopy though, perhaps even an original document.

From a quick Binge, all I found was:

https://www.nature.com/articles/455737a?proof=t

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