It’s Time.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s Time.https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s Time.https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s Time.https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
How many votes does it gain? I’d assume SFA.
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s Time.https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
Promised to do something with the last catastrophic bushfire, then, no, everyone’s lost interest lets take the promised funding away.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s Time.https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
How many votes does it gain? I’d assume SFA.
Having watched Insiders this morning, it sounds only long term in that it puts off us having any subs for longer than with the previous arrangement. Now we have no contract at all. So most of us are going to be dead and gone before we get any.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
Promised to do something with the last catastrophic bushfire, then, no, everyone’s lost interest lets take the promised funding away.
But we needed a meadery.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
Promised to do something with the last catastrophic bushfire, then, no, everyone’s lost interest lets take the promised funding away.
But we needed a meadery.
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s Time.https://www.michaelwest.com.au/that-fella-down-under-scott-morrisons-aukus-deal-designed-to-win-election-not-make-australia-safe/
Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
Yes, that is why I said “very rare example”.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:Seems odd.This is actually a very rare example of an Australian government doing long term strategic thinking. You can criticise the deal itself in a number of ways, but to say it is a short term decision for political expediency is not one of them.
Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
Yes, that is why I said “very rare example”.
so how old Christian doing
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Strange that the Coalition isn’t doing any long term strategic thinking on threatening species and the environment.
Yes, that is why I said “very rare example”.
so how old Christian doing
Old Christian fine. How you?
buffy said:
Having watched Insiders this morning, it sounds only long term in that it puts off us having any subs for longer than with the previous arrangement. Now we have no contract at all. So most of us are going to be dead and gone before we get any.
I reckon there will be some interim arrangement of leasing a couple of subs from the Americans for a few years for training purposes while our new subs are under construction.
If we buy a current design off-the-shelf with no expensive modifications, we can jump straight into the construction phase of the project and skip the 5-10 year design stage. Bear in mind the French bid was won in 2016, and 5 years later in 2021 there is still no final design, even though the price has nearly doubled. We can skip the glacial design phase if we buy something that already exists.
CHINA Steals More Technology
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Yes, that is why I said “very rare example”.
so how old Christian doing
Old Christian fine. How you?
sorry got distracted by a politically inexpeditious but strategically loud stealth boat announcement
party_pants said:
buffy said:Having watched Insiders this morning, it sounds only long term in that it puts off us having any subs for longer than with the previous arrangement. Now we have no contract at all. So most of us are going to be dead and gone before we get any.
I reckon there will be some interim arrangement of leasing a couple of subs from the Americans for a few years for training purposes while our new subs are under construction.
If we buy a current design off-the-shelf with no expensive modifications, we can jump straight into the construction phase of the project and skip the 5-10 year design stage. Bear in mind the French bid was won in 2016, and 5 years later in 2021 there is still no final design, even though the price has nearly doubled. We can skip the glacial design phase if we buy something that already exists.
They were suggesting 20 years to wait.
I should also report that on Insiders today there is a master class in not answering the question by Simon Birmingham.
We could have some US and/or British submarines based here.
Before Australia got its own Oberon-class submarines in the 1960s, the RN had submarines based here.
The last one was HMS Odin, which left Australia in 1975.
captain_spalding said:
We could have some US and/or British submarines based here.Before Australia got its own Oberon-class submarines in the 1960s, the RN had submarines based here.
The last one was HMS Odin, which left Australia in 1975.
The Oberon class was much loved by those who served in them.
party_pants said:
We can skip the glacial design phase if we buy something that already exists.
That would be the speediest thing. The problem is that there aren’t that many small-size nuclear submarine options around.
The British ‘Astute’ class are about 50% larger than the ‘Attack’ class boats were going to be.
There’s the ‘Rubis’ class, of similar size to the ‘Attacks’ but they’re (a) 1980s design and (b) built by the French.
There’s the British ‘Trafalgar’ class, gain similar 4,500 ton size, but again dating from late 70s/early 80s design.
Then there’s the USN ‘Seawolf’ class, which are about twice the size of the ‘Attacks, and which even the US thought were too expensive to build many of.
One thing that the Australian government hates is vessels with lots of crew. The ‘Attacks’ were supposed to have about 60 people aboard. The three designs listed above require 70, 130, and 140 people respectively. The ‘Astutes’ have about 100 people.
While the Aus govt doesn’t mind spending big on hardware, it really hates paying out wages when it comes to Defence.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:We can skip the glacial design phase if we buy something that already exists.
That would be the speediest thing. The problem is that there aren’t that many small-size nuclear submarine options around.
The British ‘Astute’ class are about 50% larger than the ‘Attack’ class boats were going to be.
There’s the ‘Rubis’ class, of similar size to the ‘Attacks’ but they’re (a) 1980s design and (b) built by the French.
There’s the British ‘Trafalgar’ class, gain similar 4,500 ton size, but again dating from late 70s/early 80s design.
Then there’s the USN ‘Seawolf’ class, which are about twice the size of the ‘Attacks, and which even the US thought were too expensive to build many of.
One thing that the Australian government hates is vessels with lots of crew. The ‘Attacks’ were supposed to have about 60 people aboard. The three designs listed above require 70, 130, and 140 people respectively. The ‘Astutes’ have about 100 people.
While the Aus govt doesn’t mind spending big on hardware, it really hates paying out wages when it comes to Defence.
To be fair finding and training enough staff has always been an issue.
There is a concept-design for the German Type 209 submarine (only 1,800 – 2,000 tons, crew of about 40) to have nuclear power, but it’s only a concept, and it means converting a diesel-electric design to nuclear, which is the mirror-image of the troubles with the ‘Attack’ class design, so it’d be back to Square One there.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:We can skip the glacial design phase if we buy something that already exists.
That would be the speediest thing. The problem is that there aren’t that many small-size nuclear submarine options around.
The British ‘Astute’ class are about 50% larger than the ‘Attack’ class boats were going to be.
There’s the ‘Rubis’ class, of similar size to the ‘Attacks’ but they’re (a) 1980s design and (b) built by the French.
There’s the British ‘Trafalgar’ class, gain similar 4,500 ton size, but again dating from late 70s/early 80s design.
Then there’s the USN ‘Seawolf’ class, which are about twice the size of the ‘Attacks, and which even the US thought were too expensive to build many of.
One thing that the Australian government hates is vessels with lots of crew. The ‘Attacks’ were supposed to have about 60 people aboard. The three designs listed above require 70, 130, and 140 people respectively. The ‘Astutes’ have about 100 people.
While the Aus govt doesn’t mind spending big on hardware, it really hates paying out wages when it comes to Defence.
You aren’t indicating that this wasn’t really thought through, are you?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:We can skip the glacial design phase if we buy something that already exists.
That would be the speediest thing. The problem is that there aren’t that many small-size nuclear submarine options around.
The British ‘Astute’ class are about 50% larger than the ‘Attack’ class boats were going to be.
There’s the ‘Rubis’ class, of similar size to the ‘Attacks’ but they’re (a) 1980s design and (b) built by the French.
There’s the British ‘Trafalgar’ class, gain similar 4,500 ton size, but again dating from late 70s/early 80s design.
Then there’s the USN ‘Seawolf’ class, which are about twice the size of the ‘Attacks, and which even the US thought were too expensive to build many of.
One thing that the Australian government hates is vessels with lots of crew. The ‘Attacks’ were supposed to have about 60 people aboard. The three designs listed above require 70, 130, and 140 people respectively. The ‘Astutes’ have about 100 people.
While the Aus govt doesn’t mind spending big on hardware, it really hates paying out wages when it comes to Defence.
There are three options: The British Astute Class, the Virginia Class from the USA, or the French Barracuda (the basic design of the Attack class, which the French offered back in 2015.
The Virginias are even bigger than the Astutes, and need larger crews. One of the benefits of US/UK reactor technology is that the fuel lasts 25 years. i.e. they don’t need to be refueled for the life of the sub.
The French Barracuda uses a lower enriched fuel and only lasts about 10 years, the each sub will need a mid-life refuel which can be a bit costly and complicated. They did offer us these boats but the catch was they came with no nuclear fuel. I suppose there is theoretically an option of fitting a US reactor into the French boat and coming up with a better boat than the French themselves. But then you are going away from the off-the-shelf principle and into the muddy world of bespokery.
Porter has resigned from the front bench
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
….and bitten on a cyanide capsule?
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
….and bitten on a cyanide capsule?
Oh you tease …
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
BREAKING: Scott Morrison has asked Christian Porter to resign, in what Christian Porter has described as humiliating backdown by Scott Morrison
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
Huzzah!
So weird to think he was Attorney General not long ago. I’m old enough to remember when that position was reserved for clean-as-a-whistle legal experts.
Porters inscription on his grave “I’m not dead”
dv said:
So weird to think he was Attorney General not long ago. I’m old enough to remember when that position was reserved for clean-as-a-whistle legal experts.
Lionel Murphy had his troubles towards the end of his life.
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
I wonder how long he will stay on the backbench?
Until the next election or will he depart before it?
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
He got deported?
Will he leave a farewell speech?
Porter has said quite a number of strange things.
dv said:
So weird to think he was Attorney General not long ago. I’m old enough to remember when that position was reserved for clean-as-a-whistle legal experts.
The ABC comes in, over the wicket……….there’s a BIG Shout by the ABC presenter and all the ABC team, they are high fiving, very confident.
Porter is reviewing….and yes it’s going over, way over the top.
The ABC is trying some spin now and coming round the wicket.
This one looks like a googling………another big appeal and this time umpire Morrison has given him, he’s got no reviews left…………..this time they’ve got him, he’s gone.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Porter has said quite a number of strange things.
Well, so have you…
furious said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Porter has said quite a number of strange things.Well, so have you…
Yes but not after a court case.
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
BREAKING: Scott Morrison has asked Christian Porter to resign, in what Christian Porter has described as humiliating backdown by Scott Morrison
It wasn’t me.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
I wonder how long he will stay on the backbench?
Until the next election or will he depart before it?
or until someone slips him that cyanide piil
Maybe he is being paid to go early?
or its some behave yourself money?
his seat over here has become more marginal with the new rules brought in by McGowan i believe. So, hopefully, he’ll get the boot. Though WAliens are pretty conservative and a bit to the right so who knows.
ChrispenEvan said:
his seat over here has become more marginal with the new rules brought in by McGowan i believe. So, hopefully, he’ll get the boot. Though WAliens are pretty conservative and a bit to the right so who knows.
Yeah, they showed that centre right wing streak at the last state election.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
BREAKING: Scott Morrison has asked Christian Porter to resign, in what Christian Porter has described as humiliating backdown by Scott Morrison
I wonder what his next job will be.
Ambassador to France is my guess.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Porter has resigned from the front bench
BREAKING: Scott Morrison has asked Christian Porter to resign, in what Christian Porter has described as humiliating backdown by Scott Morrison
I wonder what his next job will be.
Ambassador to France is my guess.
:)
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
his seat over here has become more marginal with the new rules brought in by McGowan i believe. So, hopefully, he’ll get the boot. Though WAliens are pretty conservative and a bit to the right so who knows.
Yeah, they showed that centre right wing streak at the last state election.
I live here, you don’t. they like McGowan for what he has done re covid. Plus I said a bit to the right not centre right.
so raping a person who menstruates gets you parachuted into a different ministry but being generously supported by kind souls who don’t even want to be recognised for their altruism gets you embarrassed enough to resign, nice
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe he is being paid to go early?or its some behave yourself money?
It’s an election ploy¡
Press conference on the resignation of Christian Porter and the failure of Scott Morrison
Anthony Albanese MP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDwZc7CvhvU
sarahs mum said:
Press conference on the resignation of Christian Porter and the failure of Scott MorrisonAnthony Albanese MP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDwZc7CvhvU
He is boring.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Press conference on the resignation of Christian Porter and the failure of Scott MorrisonAnthony Albanese MP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDwZc7CvhvU
He is boring.
Still a pleasant change over unparalleled incompetence and lies.
Spiny Norman said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Press conference on the resignation of Christian Porter and the failure of Scott MorrisonAnthony Albanese MP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDwZc7CvhvU
He is boring.
Still a pleasant change over unparalleled incompetence and lies.
I’m with you. But I would really like to be inspired
Hahahaha…gasp…hahaha…
https://craigkellymp.com/
sarahs mum said:
Spiny Norman said:
sarahs mum said:He is boring.
Still a pleasant change over unparalleled incompetence and lies.
I’m with you. But I would really like to be inspired
Boring is okay.
Berlusconi’s successor was just about the most boring Italian ever born but he got the rot under control
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Spiny Norman said:Still a pleasant change over unparalleled incompetence and lies.
I’m with you. But I would really like to be inspired
Boring is okay.
Berlusconi’s successor was just about the most boring Italian ever born but he got the rot under control
Boring with an ICAC is a goer for me.
Angus Taylor replacing Porter doesn’t sit well. In fact it is already making me irritable.
fsm said:
Hahahaha…gasp…hahaha…https://craigkellymp.com/
“Both of them sit on your tax and take money from whoever which they then spend on ethnically questionable activities.”
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
Tony lives in the past, worships it.
:)
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
That is one unfocused piece of rambling writing…
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
And americans and Liberians and someone else.
furious said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
That is one unfocused piece of rambling writing…
It takes a couple of goes.
:-)
furious said:
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://theaimn.com/abbott-suggests-following-britain-by-reintroducing-imperial-measurements/
Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
That is one unfocused piece of rambling writing…
^
sarahs mum said:
furious said:
party_pants said:Nobody uses them any more, except old people.
That is one unfocused piece of rambling writing…
^
I lost interest after the first sentence revealed the headline to be untrue.
furious said:
fsm said:
Hahahaha…gasp…hahaha…https://craigkellymp.com/
“Both of them sit on your tax and take money from whoever which they then spend on ethnically questionable activities.”
Maybe it’s a pun.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
furious said:That is one unfocused piece of rambling writing…
^
I lost interest after the first sentence revealed the headline to be untrue.
I hate clickbait
Sean Locks take on Piers Morgan…
“The Daleks: devoid of all emotion except hate. They’re like Piers Morgan on wheels.”
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:^
I lost interest after the first sentence revealed the headline to be untrue.
I hate clickbait
yeah, like that chaser article i just posted is clickbait. rossleigh does similar at The AIMN.
ChrispenEvan said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:I lost interest after the first sentence revealed the headline to be untrue.
I hate clickbait
yeah, like that chaser article i just posted is clickbait. rossleigh does similar at The AIMN.
The chaser one was better written though…
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sarahs mum said:I hate clickbait
yeah, like that chaser article i just posted is clickbait. rossleigh does similar at The AIMN.
The chaser one was better written though…
LOL.
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
Is it a known known that he knows? It thought it was an anonymous donor…
furious said:
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
Is it a known known that he knows? It thought it was an anonymous donor…
Whether he knows or not, the gift is presumably dependent on the donor remaining anonymous. And Porter needs the dough due to his rash legal adventures.
>…../cut by me transition/…. presumably dependent on the donor remaining anonymous…..
anonymizing it may have been, but more to its possible or likely purpose it could be argued to be sensible compartmentalization (organized by a third party), and why not, to limit interference
I mean public interest is a mixed bag, it spans of composition from rational to insane, and from no interest, through helpful disinterest, to extremely interested, to perhaps even pathological fixation
money decouples things and parties in exchanges all the time, part of its transactional utility
your mother putting twenty cents in your piggy bank for example, and maybe your brother did too, soon as it goes in that slot in your piggy bank it stops being theirs and becomes yours, and later when you empty your piggy bank you won’t know which twenty cent piece came from where, and in that is that further magical characteristic of money lending to translocation
the damage is done anyway, was done way back, reputational damage of which the allegations were largely related matters outside the public position held, meaning they had a civil dimension, which money earned from public office (while suitability for that position is being challenged) probably should not be used for that, so some other financial facility, compartmentalized via a third party is probably a way of doing it, doing whatever, whatever it was
just some thoughts about whatever, I wasn’t sure what the subject was when I started, and it completely vanished when I started typing
transition said:
>…../cut by me transition/…. presumably dependent on the donor remaining anonymous…..
anonymizing it may have been, but more to its possible or likely purpose it could be argued to be sensible compartmentalization (organized by a third party), and why not, to limit interference
I mean public interest is a mixed bag, it spans of composition from rational to insane, and from no interest, through helpful disinterest, to extremely interested, to perhaps even pathological fixation
money decouples things and parties in exchanges all the time, part of its transactional utility
your mother putting twenty cents in your piggy bank for example, and maybe your brother did too, soon as it goes in that slot in your piggy bank it stops being theirs and becomes yours, and later when you empty your piggy bank you won’t know which twenty cent piece came from where, and in that is that further magical characteristic of money lending to translocation
the damage is done anyway, was done way back, reputational damage of which the allegations were largely related matters outside the public position held, meaning they had a civil dimension, which money earned from public office (while suitability for that position is being challenged) probably should not be used for that, so some other financial facility, compartmentalized via a third party is probably a way of doing it, doing whatever, whatever it was
just some thoughts about whatever, I wasn’t sure what the subject was when I started, and it completely vanished when I started typing
There are good reasons why what your mother and brother put in your piggy bank should be declared… if you are an MP.
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
Is it a known known that he knows? It thought it was an anonymous donor…
Whether he knows or not, the gift is presumably dependent on the donor remaining anonymous. And Porter needs the dough due to his rash legal adventures.
Any honest person would refuse anonymous donations. MP or not.
furious said:
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
Is it a known known that he knows? It thought it was an anonymous donor…
That’s what he is telling us.
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
Obviously someone who has something to gain from supporting lying rapists.
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
clive palmer.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
I mean who the heck is this donor that Porter would rather mess up his career rather than reveal them?
clive palmer.
Fair guess.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818
Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
“It wasn’t me”.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
Pollies, eh…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/20/ive-got-50-a-week-to-live-on-welfare-recipients-struggle-with-cost-of-living-as-lockdowns-drag-on
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/20/morrison-government-failing-women-with-lack-of-action-on-gender-inequality-in-workforce-actu-says
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/20/morrison-government-failing-women-with-lack-of-action-on-gender-inequality-in-workforce-actu-says
So, no new news then?
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
ABC made good use by way of reference to conspiracy theorists in that page, and other devices, artful to its end
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/11/trying-to-do-our-best-is-just-not-good-enough-from-our-leaders
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/11/trying-to-do-our-best-is-just-not-good-enough-from-our-leaders
The fact they are our leaders but have the characteristics of some of the worse misogynistic men you can find is a disgrace.
They get away with it as well, its part of politics it seems.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
“The PM praised the now former minister, insisting Porter had upheld the standards he expects of his ministers in resigning.”
roffle
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
“The PM praised the now former minister, insisting Porter had upheld the standards he expects of his ministers in resigning.”
roffle
‘nother example of shift the focus.
The Shovel:
Well, that turned out well. A few weeks back we decided to transfer $1 million into the blind trust we’d set up for Christian Porter. Today he resigned. We’ll be honest, we didn’t expect it to work quite so quickly.
After all, you have to clear a pretty high bar to get sacked from a Scott Morrison cabinet. An accusation of sexual assault won’t do it. Cocking up a vaccine rollout in a pandemic won’t do it. Allegedly doctoring documents to discredit the Sydney Lord Mayor won’t do it (actually, that will get you a promotion).
But, as we now know, receiving money from a satirical organisation is where the line is drawn. The truth is, Christian Porter actually knew all along that a satirical news service was funding his defence. But he thought it was News Corp, not us, which is why he went along with it. Whoops!
Australian comedy, as you all know, is incredibly lucrative. But even for us, a million dollars was a large sum. So thanks to everyone who has chipped in as a supporter over the years. I think you’ll agree, it was well worth it.
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:Well, that turned out well. A few weeks back we decided to transfer $1 million into the blind trust we’d set up for Christian Porter. Today he resigned. We’ll be honest, we didn’t expect it to work quite so quickly.
After all, you have to clear a pretty high bar to get sacked from a Scott Morrison cabinet. An accusation of sexual assault won’t do it. Cocking up a vaccine rollout in a pandemic won’t do it. Allegedly doctoring documents to discredit the Sydney Lord Mayor won’t do it (actually, that will get you a promotion).
But, as we now know, receiving money from a satirical organisation is where the line is drawn. The truth is, Christian Porter actually knew all along that a satirical news service was funding his defence. But he thought it was News Corp, not us, which is why he went along with it. Whoops!
Australian comedy, as you all know, is incredibly lucrative. But even for us, a million dollars was a large sum. So thanks to everyone who has chipped in as a supporter over the years. I think you’ll agree, it was well worth it.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
The ABC did not name him. He did that all by himself.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
“The PM praised the now former minister, insisting Porter had upheld the standards he expects of his ministers in resigning.”
roffle
‘nother example of shift the focus.
“As COVID-19 shut down the nation in early 2020, changing the way Australians work, he struck an unlikely close working relationship with union boss Sally McManus, someone he dubbed at the time as his “BFF — best friend for now”.”
um…no.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/christian-porter-frontbench-to-backbench-mystery-donation-legal-/100474818Within minutes Porter issued a three-page statement that confirmed his resignation, pulling no punches as he took aim at the ABC, the organisation he blames for ending his ministerial career.
LOL, the fault always belongs to someone else.
within minutes?! that’s some fast typing
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:Well, that turned out well. A few weeks back we decided to transfer $1 million into the blind trust we’d set up for Christian Porter. Today he resigned. We’ll be honest, we didn’t expect it to work quite so quickly.
After all, you have to clear a pretty high bar to get sacked from a Scott Morrison cabinet. An accusation of sexual assault won’t do it. Cocking up a vaccine rollout in a pandemic won’t do it. Allegedly doctoring documents to discredit the Sydney Lord Mayor won’t do it (actually, that will get you a promotion).
But, as we now know, receiving money from a satirical organisation is where the line is drawn. The truth is, Christian Porter actually knew all along that a satirical news service was funding his defence. But he thought it was News Corp, not us, which is why he went along with it. Whoops!
Australian comedy, as you all know, is incredibly lucrative. But even for us, a million dollars was a large sum. So thanks to everyone who has chipped in as a supporter over the years. I think you’ll agree, it was well worth it.
I love this.
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:Well, that turned out well. A few weeks back we decided to transfer $1 million into the blind trust we’d set up for Christian Porter. Today he resigned. We’ll be honest, we didn’t expect it to work quite so quickly.
After all, you have to clear a pretty high bar to get sacked from a Scott Morrison cabinet. An accusation of sexual assault won’t do it. Cocking up a vaccine rollout in a pandemic won’t do it. Allegedly doctoring documents to discredit the Sydney Lord Mayor won’t do it (actually, that will get you a promotion).
But, as we now know, receiving money from a satirical organisation is where the line is drawn. The truth is, Christian Porter actually knew all along that a satirical news service was funding his defence. But he thought it was News Corp, not us, which is why he went along with it. Whoops!
Australian comedy, as you all know, is incredibly lucrative. But even for us, a million dollars was a large sum. So thanks to everyone who has chipped in as a supporter over the years. I think you’ll agree, it was well worth it.
Giggle
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:Well, that turned out well. A few weeks back we decided to transfer $1 million into the blind trust we’d set up for Christian Porter. Today he resigned. We’ll be honest, we didn’t expect it to work quite so quickly.
After all, you have to clear a pretty high bar to get sacked from a Scott Morrison cabinet. An accusation of sexual assault won’t do it. Cocking up a vaccine rollout in a pandemic won’t do it. Allegedly doctoring documents to discredit the Sydney Lord Mayor won’t do it (actually, that will get you a promotion).
But, as we now know, receiving money from a satirical organisation is where the line is drawn. The truth is, Christian Porter actually knew all along that a satirical news service was funding his defence. But he thought it was News Corp, not us, which is why he went along with it. Whoops!
Australian comedy, as you all know, is incredibly lucrative. But even for us, a million dollars was a large sum. So thanks to everyone who has chipped in as a supporter over the years. I think you’ll agree, it was well worth it.
I love this.
Me too.
Looks like Murdoch and his dogs have declared all-out war on Daniel Andrews, and are trying to incite an actual insurrection.
Bubblecar said:
Looks like Murdoch and his dogs have declared all-out war on Daniel Andrews, and are trying to incite an actual insurrection.
The police are gaining revenue from it.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:Well, that turned out well. A few weeks back we decided to transfer $1 million into the blind trust we’d set up for Christian Porter. Today he resigned. We’ll be honest, we didn’t expect it to work quite so quickly.
After all, you have to clear a pretty high bar to get sacked from a Scott Morrison cabinet. An accusation of sexual assault won’t do it. Cocking up a vaccine rollout in a pandemic won’t do it. Allegedly doctoring documents to discredit the Sydney Lord Mayor won’t do it (actually, that will get you a promotion).
But, as we now know, receiving money from a satirical organisation is where the line is drawn. The truth is, Christian Porter actually knew all along that a satirical news service was funding his defence. But he thought it was News Corp, not us, which is why he went along with it. Whoops!
Australian comedy, as you all know, is incredibly lucrative. But even for us, a million dollars was a large sum. So thanks to everyone who has chipped in as a supporter over the years. I think you’ll agree, it was well worth it.
I love this.
Me too.
The best thing about it is there’s no tax payer funds involved.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I love this.
Me too.
The best thing about it is there’s no tax payer funds involved.
He should leave politics, no longer trustworthy.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/20/barnaby-joyce-backs-incredibly-intelligent-christian-porter-for-eventual-return-to-frontbench?
He said he was contacted by “thousands of ordinary people” who had expressed disgust at his treatment and wanted to help, some through making financial contributions to a trust “on the basis of confidentiality and a belief that their contribution would remain confidential within the rules of disclosure”.
LOL, and Porter told them about this trust fund they could donate to?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/labor-candidates-social-media-taunt-aimed-at-coalmining-opponents-stokes-preselection-anger
“It shows that Daniel Repacholi is a normal, larrikin Australian. He says what he thought were, I suppose, funny things at the time on arriving home from competing at the Commonwealth games,” Fitzgibbon said.
LOL, usual excuse for being a dickhead.
The Bulletin
1 min ·
SCOTTY MEETS HIS MASTER TO GET INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE COMING ELECTION
Morrison was traveling to attend the QUAD meetings we were told, but it seems the real reason for Scotty’s international jaunt was to attend a meeting he had been summoned to by Uncle Rupert.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/labor-candidates-social-media-taunt-aimed-at-coalmining-opponents-stokes-preselection-anger“It shows that Daniel Repacholi is a normal, larrikin Australian. He says what he thought were, I suppose, funny things at the time on arriving home from competing at the Commonwealth games,” Fitzgibbon said.
LOL, usual excuse for being a dickhead.
Fucking hell.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/labor-candidates-social-media-taunt-aimed-at-coalmining-opponents-stokes-preselection-anger“It shows that Daniel Repacholi is a normal, larrikin Australian. He says what he thought were, I suppose, funny things at the time on arriving home from competing at the Commonwealth games,” Fitzgibbon said.
LOL, usual excuse for being a dickhead.
Fucking hell.
Ah, the old ‘boys will be boys’, and ‘it was a joke, don’t take it personally’ dodges.
He’d be such an asset in parliament. With a line in repartee like that, he’d be crossing over to the L/NP before he’d got the seat warm.
CLANCY OVERELL | Editor | CONTACT
As Melbourne descends into the chaos of confused and propaganda-fuelled protests, everyone but the Murdoch media machine is reminiscing about the time ASIO boss Mike Burgess warned the Minister of Home Affairs that right-wing extremists are becoming one of our biggest national security threats.
Yesterday, violence erupted outside of the CFMEU offices as construction union heavyweights punched on with disenfranchised and angry tradies who were being spurred on by deranged neo-nazi conspiracists chirping from the back of the angry mob in brand new high-vis.
While the political elites are taking great pleasure in the opportunity to vilify distressed blue collar workers, very few people are asking how the fuck we got to the point where such a large mob of construction workers could be talked into destroying the office building of the trade union responsible for making sure the entire industry was able to keep working for the vast majority of this pandemic.
The dangerous civil unrest currently taking place in Melbourne is unfolding almost play-for-play as Australian intelligence officers predicted it would in February last year.
While delivering the country’s annual threat assessment, Burgess revealed that Neo-Nazis were emerging as one of the most challenging security threats for the national intelligence organisation.
“In Australia, the extreme right-wing threat is real and it is growing,” he said. “In suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.”
Burgess also said right-wing extremism would “remain an enduring threat, making more use of online propaganda to spread their messages of hate”.
“While we would expect any right-wing-extremist-inspired attack in Australia to be low capability — more sophisticated attacks are possible,” he said.
Right now, Australia is witnessing what can only be described as a ‘sophisticated attack’ – as far-right extremists behind the ongoing ‘Freedom for Workers’ rallies brag online about how they are using social media to indoctrinate working class ‘normies’ and pit them into violently attacking their own trade unions and the police.
When warned about this growing threat in February last year, Peter Dutton’s only action was to question the advice handed to him by ASIO – before insisting that the scary Muslim were still public enemy number one in his eyes.
ChrispenEvan said:
CLANCY OVERELL | Editor | CONTACTAs Melbourne descends into the chaos of confused and propaganda-fuelled protests, everyone but the Murdoch media machine is reminiscing about the time ASIO boss Mike Burgess warned the Minister of Home Affairs that right-wing extremists are becoming one of our biggest national security threats.
Yesterday, violence erupted outside of the CFMEU offices as construction union heavyweights punched on with disenfranchised and angry tradies who were being spurred on by deranged neo-nazi conspiracists chirping from the back of the angry mob in brand new high-vis.
While the political elites are taking great pleasure in the opportunity to vilify distressed blue collar workers, very few people are asking how the fuck we got to the point where such a large mob of construction workers could be talked into destroying the office building of the trade union responsible for making sure the entire industry was able to keep working for the vast majority of this pandemic.
The dangerous civil unrest currently taking place in Melbourne is unfolding almost play-for-play as Australian intelligence officers predicted it would in February last year.
While delivering the country’s annual threat assessment, Burgess revealed that Neo-Nazis were emerging as one of the most challenging security threats for the national intelligence organisation.
“In Australia, the extreme right-wing threat is real and it is growing,” he said. “In suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.”
Burgess also said right-wing extremism would “remain an enduring threat, making more use of online propaganda to spread their messages of hate”.
“While we would expect any right-wing-extremist-inspired attack in Australia to be low capability — more sophisticated attacks are possible,” he said.
Right now, Australia is witnessing what can only be described as a ‘sophisticated attack’ – as far-right extremists behind the ongoing ‘Freedom for Workers’ rallies brag online about how they are using social media to indoctrinate working class ‘normies’ and pit them into violently attacking their own trade unions and the police.
When warned about this growing threat in February last year, Peter Dutton’s only action was to question the advice handed to him by ASIO – before insisting that the scary Muslim were still public enemy number one in his eyes.
If you go by body count I bet scary Western white Christians have killed a lot more in terror attacks (cause drone strikes and collateral damage is still against civilians)
ChrispenEvan said:
CLANCY OVERELL | Editor | CONTACTAs Melbourne descends into the chaos of confused and propaganda-fuelled protests, everyone but the Murdoch media machine is reminiscing about the time ASIO boss Mike Burgess warned the Minister of Home Affairs that right-wing extremists are becoming one of our biggest national security threats.
Yesterday, violence erupted outside of the CFMEU offices as construction union heavyweights punched on with disenfranchised and angry tradies who were being spurred on by deranged neo-nazi conspiracists chirping from the back of the angry mob in brand new high-vis.
While the political elites are taking great pleasure in the opportunity to vilify distressed blue collar workers, very few people are asking how the fuck we got to the point where such a large mob of construction workers could be talked into destroying the office building of the trade union responsible for making sure the entire industry was able to keep working for the vast majority of this pandemic.
The dangerous civil unrest currently taking place in Melbourne is unfolding almost play-for-play as Australian intelligence officers predicted it would in February last year.
While delivering the country’s annual threat assessment, Burgess revealed that Neo-Nazis were emerging as one of the most challenging security threats for the national intelligence organisation.
“In Australia, the extreme right-wing threat is real and it is growing,” he said. “In suburbs around Australia, small cells regularly meet to salute Nazi flags, inspect weapons, train in combat and share their hateful ideology.”
Burgess also said right-wing extremism would “remain an enduring threat, making more use of online propaganda to spread their messages of hate”.
“While we would expect any right-wing-extremist-inspired attack in Australia to be low capability — more sophisticated attacks are possible,” he said.
Right now, Australia is witnessing what can only be described as a ‘sophisticated attack’ – as far-right extremists behind the ongoing ‘Freedom for Workers’ rallies brag online about how they are using social media to indoctrinate working class ‘normies’ and pit them into violently attacking their own trade unions and the police.
When warned about this growing threat in February last year, Peter Dutton’s only action was to question the advice handed to him by ASIO – before insisting that the scary Muslim were still public enemy number one in his eyes.
Seems a reasonable assessment.
https://theaimn.com/tony-abbott-and-the-dead-hand-of-brexit/
sarahs mum said:
https://theaimn.com/tony-abbott-and-the-dead-hand-of-brexit/
if the implication is that virtually all the bullshit the Corruption Coalition are doing is in line with Trump Johnson policy
then uh yeah no shit
https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/lech-blaine/2021/22/2021/1632284381/birth-larrikin
Birth of a larrikin
The disguised rise of Scott Morrison
Bogsnorkler said:
“He said the guys in the surf club drank too much and he didn’t want me exposed to that,” —-
https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/lech-blaine/2021/22/2021/1632284381/birth-larrikinBirth of a larrikin
The disguised rise of Scott Morrison
That’s what my father said when I asked if I could join a pipe band.
Bogsnorkler said:
Hmmmmm.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Hmmmmm.
yes, whether it is true is reliant on corroboree evidence. but I won’t make a song and dance about it.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Hmmmmm.
Too soon. We’ll have to wait till European thinking on the Indo-Pacific region catches up with the people that live here.
Remember universities got no Job Keeper and then consider this.
sarahs mum said:
Remember universities got no Job Keeper and then consider this.
Hmmmmm.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Remember universities got no Job Keeper and then consider this.
Hmmmmm.
oh quit all your communist whinging let us not forget it was the Khmer Rouge who killed all those intellectuals and church people as well
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:sarahs mum said:
Remember universities got no Job Keeper and then consider this.
Hmmmmm.
oh quit all your communist whinging let us not forget it was the Khmer Rouge who killed all those intellectuals and church people as well
They wanted to kill me, too. And me not even 21 yet.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:sarahs mum said:
Remember universities got no Job Keeper and then consider this.
Hmmmmm.
oh quit all your communist whinging let us not forget it was the Khmer Rouge who killed all those intellectuals and church people as well
But the USA got the heroin.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Hmmmmm.
oh quit all your communist whinging let us not forget it was the Khmer Rouge who killed all those intellectuals and church people as well
But the USA got the heroin.
The KR weren’t very big in the opium/heroin trade. They didn’t start to really thing about it until the surviving elements of KR needed money in the 1990s, and they started movving into the business to some degree then.
There was a lot of stuff coming out of the region in the KR times, but a lot of that was produced by various factions and forces that needed the income to stay intact and fight the KR (as well as fight among themselves).
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:oh quit all your communist whinging let us not forget it was the Khmer Rouge who killed all those intellectuals and church people as well
But the USA got the heroin.
The KR weren’t very big in the opium/heroin trade. They didn’t start to really thing about it until the surviving elements of KR needed money in the 1990s, and they started movving into the business to some degree then.
There was a lot of stuff coming out of the region in the KR times, but a lot of that was produced by various factions and forces that needed the income to stay intact and fight the KR (as well as fight among themselves).
You may be right. I lived with an ex air america kicker who flew empty around south east asia for years prior to 71..
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:But the USA got the heroin.
The KR weren’t very big in the opium/heroin trade. They didn’t start to really thing about it until the surviving elements of KR needed money in the 1990s, and they started movving into the business to some degree then.
There was a lot of stuff coming out of the region in the KR times, but a lot of that was produced by various factions and forces that needed the income to stay intact and fight the KR (as well as fight among themselves).
You may be right. I lived with an ex air america kicker who flew empty around south east asia for years prior to 71..
‘We are the boys in the black berets
We are the boys of the CIA…’
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:The KR weren’t very big in the opium/heroin trade. They didn’t start to really thing about it until the surviving elements of KR needed money in the 1990s, and they started movving into the business to some degree then.
There was a lot of stuff coming out of the region in the KR times, but a lot of that was produced by various factions and forces that needed the income to stay intact and fight the KR (as well as fight among themselves).
You may be right. I lived with an ex air america kicker who flew empty around south east asia for years prior to 71..
‘We are the boys in the black berets
We are the boys of the CIA…’
Nods.
His boss started the Nugan Hand bank.
oh well we were just saying how university staff and students, not far from here, such intellectuals, even 30 years ago were being met with tanks, but not here in this country, they just get bankrupted and made redundant. This is a triumph of democracy
This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
1 min ·
Senator Penny Wong being invited to speak on the AU / US & Indo-Pacific relationship will TOTALLY ANNOY Morrison (she is one of the few true Statesmen we have).
https://youtu.be/3fNNHLElR1E
The United States Studies Centre hosted a virtual address and in-conversation event with Senator the Hon Penny Wong to launch the United States Studies Centre report “Correcting the course: How the Biden administration should compete for influence in the Indo-Pacific.”
Senator Wong will deliver her remarks on “Australia’s contribution to American engagement in the Indo-Pacific” in the wake of this month’s 70th anniversary of the ANZUS Treaty and the Australia-US Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) in Washington DC. She will then join report co-authors Ashley Townshend and Susannah Patton for a discussion on the United States’ role in the Indo-Pacific region and the way forward for Australian policy.
sarahs mum said:
This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
1 min ·
Senator Penny Wong being invited to speak on the AU / US & Indo-Pacific relationship will TOTALLY ANNOY Morrison (she is one of the few true Statesmen we have).
https://youtu.be/3fNNHLElR1E
The United States Studies Centre hosted a virtual address and in-conversation event with Senator the Hon Penny Wong to launch the United States Studies Centre report “Correcting the course: How the Biden administration should compete for influence in the Indo-Pacific.”
Senator Wong will deliver her remarks on “Australia’s contribution to American engagement in the Indo-Pacific” in the wake of this month’s 70th anniversary of the ANZUS Treaty and the Australia-US Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) in Washington DC. She will then join report co-authors Ashley Townshend and Susannah Patton for a discussion on the United States’ role in the Indo-Pacific region and the way forward for Australian policy.
I wonder what she thinks of her coworkers, so real douche bags amongst parliament
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
1 min ·
Senator Penny Wong being invited to speak on the AU / US & Indo-Pacific relationship will TOTALLY ANNOY Morrison (she is one of the few true Statesmen we have).
https://youtu.be/3fNNHLElR1E
The United States Studies Centre hosted a virtual address and in-conversation event with Senator the Hon Penny Wong to launch the United States Studies Centre report “Correcting the course: How the Biden administration should compete for influence in the Indo-Pacific.”
Senator Wong will deliver her remarks on “Australia’s contribution to American engagement in the Indo-Pacific” in the wake of this month’s 70th anniversary of the ANZUS Treaty and the Australia-US Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) in Washington DC. She will then join report co-authors Ashley Townshend and Susannah Patton for a discussion on the United States’ role in the Indo-Pacific region and the way forward for Australian policy.
I wonder what she thinks of her coworkers, so real douche bags amongst parliament
She has very expressive eyes…it’s not hard to work out what she thinks of them. Watch any footage of her in Senate Estimates.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
1 min ·
Senator Penny Wong being invited to speak on the AU / US & Indo-Pacific relationship will TOTALLY ANNOY Morrison (she is one of the few true Statesmen we have).
https://youtu.be/3fNNHLElR1E
The United States Studies Centre hosted a virtual address and in-conversation event with Senator the Hon Penny Wong to launch the United States Studies Centre report “Correcting the course: How the Biden administration should compete for influence in the Indo-Pacific.”
Senator Wong will deliver her remarks on “Australia’s contribution to American engagement in the Indo-Pacific” in the wake of this month’s 70th anniversary of the ANZUS Treaty and the Australia-US Ministerial Consultations (AUSMIN) in Washington DC. She will then join report co-authors Ashley Townshend and Susannah Patton for a discussion on the United States’ role in the Indo-Pacific region and the way forward for Australian policy.
I wonder what she thinks of her coworkers, so real douche bags amongst parliament
She has very expressive eyes…it’s not hard to work out what she thinks of them. Watch any footage of her in Senate Estimates.
I found that news odd. I wonder what it means.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:I wonder what she thinks of her coworkers, so real douche bags amongst parliament
She has very expressive eyes…it’s not hard to work out what she thinks of them. Watch any footage of her in Senate Estimates.
I found that news odd. I wonder what it means.
So she was invited to speak at a uni seminar it seems. So it is non news.
Scott Morrison
@ScottMorrisonMP
is not thonking about the fact that Julia Gillard is also a dogs fan. they say you should always look for the good in people
https://twitter.com/ScottMorrisonMP/status/3908903667
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison
@ScottMorrisonMPis not thonking about the fact that Julia Gillard is also a dogs fan. they say you should always look for the good in people
https://twitter.com/ScottMorrisonMP/status/3908903667
ah. It is Morrison twittering from 2009.
Ian said:
doesn’t that apply to all political “journalism” in former UK empire at the moment
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
doesn’t that apply to all political “journalism” in former UK empire at the moment
Don’t know about ‘all political “journalism”’. I don’t read it all. But Insiders has become less incisive in its latest incarnation.
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714
Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
He’s been a politician since 2005.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
I suppose he’s factoring in the 10% who just don’t count.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
I suppose he’s factoring in the 10% who just don’t count.
The “liberal elite”.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
He’s been a politician since 2005.
I mean either way you’d hope he would have basic numeracy skills.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
He’s been a politician since 2005.
I mean either way you’d hope he would have basic numeracy skills.
He’s long been more concerned with basic bullshitting skills.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
Probably why he bogged the trucks.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/insiders/nationals-leader-barnaby-joyce/13558714Speers: Are you in favour of carbon farming? Are you in favour of farmers making a buck out of this?
Joyce: Well, you look at – well, it’s not just farmers. Farmers are incredibly important, and I’m one. I was mustering cattle yesterday and we managed to get two trucks bogged and they are in the yards at the moment. It’s also the town, you take New England, 12% of my electorate are farmers, incredibly important, I’m one of them. That means you’ve got 78% that are not and that 78% also needs to be heard and you’ve got to understand the main street in Singleton, the main street in Gladstone, what’s happening up there in Townsville, what happens in Moura, what happens in Emerald, what happens in Muswellbrook.
——
This person is an accountant by trade.
Moura is in the shire of banana. and not a mention of WA.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/nationals-mp-darren-chester-break-partyroom-right-wing-push/100493358
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Wow. So if a vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens… (?) then a vote for Liberals is a vote for National nazis.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/nationals-mp-darren-chester-break-partyroom-right-wing-push/100493358—
Wow. So if a vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens… (?) then a vote for Liberals is a vote for National nazis.
Always has been.
https://tasmanianinquirer.com.au/news/tasmanian-government-plans-donations-disclosure-threshold-for-mps-100-times-greater-than-for-councillors/
sarahs mum said:
https://tasmanianinquirer.com.au/news/tasmanian-government-plans-donations-disclosure-threshold-for-mps-100-times-greater-than-for-councillors/
Fuck
FWIW, Australian internet privacy.
We don’t have it.
Spiny Norman said:
FWIW, Australian internet privacy.
We don’t have it.
It is also on now for them to check through overseas accounts and pass the info on to say the US govt. Who dont have the rights to do this themselves constitutionally.
Why is the government debating a bill to keep National Cabinet secret? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/national-cabinet-foi-secrecy-exemption-bill-explained/100494880
sarahs mum said:
Spiny Norman said:
FWIW, Australian internet privacy.
We don’t have it.It is also on now for them to check through overseas accounts and pass the info on to say the US govt. Who dont have the rights to do this themselves constitutionally.
um pretty sure Huawei is the fingers of an authoritarian government reaching into your 5G transmissions which is exactly why all us Western Powers cancelled their contracts and went with oh wait oh shit
sarahs mum said:
Why is the government debating a bill to keep National Cabinet secret? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/national-cabinet-foi-secrecy-exemption-bill-explained/100494880
strange hey
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://tasmanianinquirer.com.au/news/tasmanian-government-plans-donations-disclosure-threshold-for-mps-100-times-greater-than-for-councillors/
Fuck
does it matter that it’s $5000 versus $50 we mean corruption is corruption but if we did it properly then any threshold at all would be aleph null times greater or something
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/nationals-mp-darren-chester-break-partyroom-right-wing-push/100493358—
Wow. So if a vote for Labor is a vote for the Greens… (?) then a vote for Liberals is a vote for National nazis.
Always has been.
^ ^^
Fresh NewsPoll
53-47,to ALP
State breakdowns (ALP first in each case)
NSW 52-48
Vic 58-42
Qld 45-55
WA 54-46
SA 53-47
dv said:
Fresh NewsPoll
53-47,to ALP
State breakdowns (ALP first in each case)
NSW 52-48
Vic 58-42
Qld 45-55
WA 54-46
SA 53-47
Laugh Out Loud At Queens Lan D
dv said:
Fresh NewsPoll53-47,to ALP
State breakdowns (ALP first in each case)
NSW 52-48
Vic 58-42
Qld 45-55
WA 54-46
SA 53-47
News Corp editors will be fuming everywhere except Queensland, where they’ll be expecting a bonus.
dv said:
Fresh NewsPoll53-47,to ALP
State breakdowns (ALP first in each case)
NSW 52-48
Vic 58-42
Qld 45-55
WA 54-46
SA 53-47
Queensland, WTF!
You’re from there aren’t you, deevs?
:)
Most satisfying result is Victoria, where the relentless campaign against “Dictator Dan” seems to have failed completely.
Bubblecar said:
Most satisfying result is Victoria, where the relentless campaign against “Dictator Dan” seems to have failed completely.
I took it that those polls were for federal election…
dv said:
Fresh NewsPoll53-47,to ALP
State breakdowns (ALP first in each case)
NSW 52-48
Vic 58-42
Qld 45-55
WA 54-46
SA 53-47
Poor NSW. It’s a while to the next election.
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Most satisfying result is Victoria, where the relentless campaign against “Dictator Dan” seems to have failed completely.
I took it that those polls were for federal election…
Ah. State politics is presumably nonetheless a factor.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Fresh NewsPoll53-47,to ALP
State breakdowns (ALP first in each case)
NSW 52-48
Vic 58-42
Qld 45-55
WA 54-46
SA 53-47
Queensland, WTF!
You’re from there aren’t you, deevs?
:)
no no no certified quokka-fokka here
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Most satisfying result is Victoria, where the relentless campaign against “Dictator Dan” seems to have failed completely.
I took it that those polls were for federal election…
They are.
But still.
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Most satisfying result is Victoria, where the relentless campaign against “Dictator Dan” seems to have failed completely.
I took it that those polls were for federal election…
Ah. State politics is presumably nonetheless a factor.
Indeed, imagine if federal had a way of manipulating circumstances to twist state performance in desired ways, making it a two-way street, damn¡
Nah not possible.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:furious said:
I took it that those polls were for federal election…
Ah. State politics is presumably nonetheless a factor.
Indeed, imagine if federal had a way of manipulating circumstances to twist state performance in desired ways, making it a two-way street, damn¡
Nah not possible.
Like.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:Ah. State politics is presumably nonetheless a factor.
Indeed, imagine if federal had a way of manipulating circumstances to twist state performance in desired ways, making it a two-way street, damn¡
Nah not possible.
Like.
They’ll need the mythbusters to polish this turd.
During the GWB I appreciated the intellectual honesty of the Whitehouse’s website for transcribing his remarks as delivered, not as prepared, ie they included all of his malapropisms and errors.
Barnaby Joyce seems to have no such humility. The Insiders webpage has the video and transcript both showing him saying “12% of people are farmers … but that means you’ve got 78% who are not.”
On Barnaby’s webpage the transcript says 88%.
dv said:
During the GWB I appreciated the intellectual honesty of the Whitehouse’s website for transcribing his remarks as delivered, not as prepared, ie they included all of his malapropisms and errors.Barnaby Joyce seems to have no such humility. The Insiders webpage has the video and transcript both showing him saying “12% of people are farmers … but that means you’ve got 78% who are not.”
On Barnaby’s webpage the transcript says 88%.
Barnaby has always been a bit dodgy on facts.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
During the GWB I appreciated the intellectual honesty of the Whitehouse’s website for transcribing his remarks as delivered, not as prepared, ie they included all of his malapropisms and errors.Barnaby Joyce seems to have no such humility. The Insiders webpage has the video and transcript both showing him saying “12% of people are farmers … but that means you’ve got 78% who are not.”
On Barnaby’s webpage the transcript says 88%.
Barnaby has always been a bit dodgy on facts.
Looking ahead…
The current balance in the Senate is 27 Liberal, 2 National, 6 LNP, 1 CLP, (ie 36 Coalition altogether), 26 Labor, 9 Greens, 2 One Nation, 1 Centre Alliance, 1 Lambie, 1 Patrick.
Of these, the following are NOT up for election next year:
13 Liberal, 1 National, 3 LNP, 11 Labor, 6 Greens, 1 One Nation, 1 Lambie.
There are four territorial Senators who all face election, and the results are almost certainly going to be the same as last time: 2 ALP, 1 Liberal, 1 CLP.
So the 36 state Senators up for election are:
13 Liberal, 1 National, 3 LNP, 13 Labor, 3 Greens, 1 One Nation, 1 Centre Alliance, 1 Patrick
For the Coalition to wrest control of the Senate they would need to pick up 3 more senators and that’s not looking like being on the cards this time around, but there’s probably another five months til the election so it’s not out of the question.
For the ALP and Greens to gain enough ground to control the Senate would require them to pick up 4 more senators.
This also seems somewhat unlikely but not impossible.
NSW: despite improvement since the last election it’s hard to see the progressive parties getting 4 quotas.
VIC: currently polling at 58-42, it’s not impossible that ALP would pick up another seat.
QLD: ALP is behind 45-55 in the polls, but that could be enough to get them a third seat, or perhaps for the Greens to get one. ONP have gone down in the polling, so they might be the ones to miss out.
WA: Although ALP has gained ground, picking a fourth progressive senator seems a bit out of reach.
SA: The Centre Alliance’s star appears to have faded and there is an opportunity for the Greens to add one here.
TAS: There’s not a lot of polling out of Tasmania, just small subsamples of the Morgan polls. ALP comes out in the high 50s in the 2pp. On a good day this MIGHT turn in to 4 progressive seats.
So I’d probably say that 39 Senators for ALP/Greens is at the very top of the range of outcomes.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100503974
Former WA treasurer Troy Buswell charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice
dv said:
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100503974Former WA treasurer Troy Buswell charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice
I feel some mental health issues coming on. Maybe he needs to go into rehab. His bed from last time is most likely still warm.
dv said:
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100503974Former WA treasurer Troy Buswell charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice
Just looked him up.
Seems like a charming gentleman.
c’m‘on now y’all you wouldn’t be making such comments if it were a Labor politician
SCIENCE said:
c’m‘on now y’all you wouldn’t be making such comments if it were a Labor politician
that is because a Labor politician would go as low as Troy has done.
SCIENCE said:
c’m‘on now y’all you wouldn’t be making such comments if it were a Labor politician
Oh no, they cop it too, when they deserve it.
So too that Greens politician he had an affair with.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100503974Former WA treasurer Troy Buswell charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice
Just looked him up.
Seems like a charming gentleman.
Troy Buswell isn’t emotionally intelligent.
With six charges of repeatedly physically assaulting her, he cannot control his emotions which leads to being unable to control his violence.
Not good for any relationship.
The prosecutor said the call was made “on the pretence” of Mr Buswell expressing his condolences for the death of Ms Hankison’s uncle, but during the conversation — which was recorded by her — they talked about their relationship and their love for each other.
I’m sure that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.
Kingy said:
The prosecutor said the call was made “on the pretence” of Mr Buswell expressing his condolences for the death of Ms Hankison’s uncle, but during the conversation — which was recorded by her — they talked about their relationship and their love for each other.I’m sure that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.
In South Australia and Western Australia, it is generally illegal to record a private conversation without consent of all the parties even if you are a part to the conversation. Exceptions apply if:
The recording is in the public interest; or
The conversation was recorded to protect the lawful interests of one party.
A ‘lawful interest’ includes if a person has a genuine fear for their safety (Groom v Police SASC 101) however may not include recordings designed to gain an advantage in civil or family proceedings (see Thomas & Anor v Nash SASC 153).
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/is-it-legal-to-record-a-phone-call-in-australia/
Kingy said:
The prosecutor said the call was made “on the pretence” of Mr Buswell expressing his condolences for the death of Ms Hankison’s uncle, but during the conversation — which was recorded by her — they talked about their relationship and their love for each other.
I’m sure that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.
The rules vary across the nation when it comes to the legality of recording telephone calls. There are various reasons why someone might want to record a phone call, including to gather incriminating evidence against another person. But the reality is that it is normally against the law to record a phone call without the other person’s consent.
In the Northern Territory and Victoria you can record a private conversation without consent of all parties as long as you are a party to the conversation yourself. A person is ‘a party’ to a private conversation if words are spoken by them or to them in the course of the conversation. Similar rules apply in Queensland, with an additional criteria that, once recorded, you cannot share the recording with anyone who wasn’t a party to the original conversation.
In New South Wales, Tasmania and the Australian Capital Territory, it is legal to record a private conversation without consent of all parties if you are a party to the conversation and either:
In South Australia and Western Australia, it is generally illegal to record a private conversation without consent of all the parties even if you are a part to the conversation. Exceptions apply if:
https://www.mondaq.com/australia/crime/885556/is-it-legal-to-record-a-phone-call-in-australia
Bogsnorkler said:
Kingy said:
The prosecutor said the call was made “on the pretence” of Mr Buswell expressing his condolences for the death of Ms Hankison’s uncle, but during the conversation — which was recorded by her — they talked about their relationship and their love for each other.I’m sure that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.
In South Australia and Western Australia, it is generally illegal to record a private conversation without consent of all the parties even if you are a part to the conversation. Exceptions apply if:
The recording is in the public interest; or
The conversation was recorded to protect the lawful interests of one party.A ‘lawful interest’ includes if a person has a genuine fear for their safety (Groom v Police SASC 101) however may not include recordings designed to gain an advantage in civil or family proceedings (see Thomas & Anor v Nash SASC 153).
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/is-it-legal-to-record-a-phone-call-in-australia/
That’s pretty vague. You don’t know what’s going to be said before it is said.
Presumably, you can record anything, but can’t post it unless you have a good reason that would stand up in court.
Kingy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Kingy said:
The prosecutor said the call was made “on the pretence” of Mr Buswell expressing his condolences for the death of Ms Hankison’s uncle, but during the conversation — which was recorded by her — they talked about their relationship and their love for each other.I’m sure that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal.
In South Australia and Western Australia, it is generally illegal to record a private conversation without consent of all the parties even if you are a part to the conversation. Exceptions apply if:
The recording is in the public interest; or
The conversation was recorded to protect the lawful interests of one party.A ‘lawful interest’ includes if a person has a genuine fear for their safety (Groom v Police SASC 101) however may not include recordings designed to gain an advantage in civil or family proceedings (see Thomas & Anor v Nash SASC 153).
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/is-it-legal-to-record-a-phone-call-in-australia/
That’s pretty vague. You don’t know what’s going to be said before it is said.
Presumably, you can record anything, but can’t post it unless you have a good reason that would stand up in court.
So, its yes or no, depending.
Plenty of phone recording apps around.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Plenty of phone recording apps around.
Yes, I had a good one for a while, but the new update stopped the incoming call from being recorded, so I deleted it.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/perrottet-and-stokes-running-mates-factional-rivals-and-men-of-faith-20211002-p58wnd.html
dv said:
Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
buffy said:
dv said:
Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
No idea, sorry.
Playing the victim while the mainstream media runs protection racket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le3TtuCoscc
wait they’re politicising mental health now well shit
SCIENCE said:
wait they’re politicising mental health now well shit
And what if some of these ‘secular’ counsellors are gay?
Anyway, mental health has long been politicised.
As in, ‘we don’t give a shit about mentally ill people, so we’ll give it the barest minimum funding possible while overloading it by lumping drug dependency in with it, as well as closing as many institutions that provide care as we possibly can, turfing their patients out into ‘the community’ (i.e. the streets) and flogging off their real estate to our developer mates’.
buffy said:
dv said:
Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
How is that possibly legal?
Just because the Abbott Govt made up the rules as they went along?
The conga line of suckholes at the ABC queuing up for performative lamentation for Gladys is just amazing.
Kingy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
How is that possibly legal?
Just because the Abbott Govt made up the rules as they went along?
In fairness the government’s job is to legislate, and we don’t have a bill of rights limiting the government’s ability to enforce religion. In Westminster systems the parliament is supreme.
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
Damn. What a waste of money.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:Are they using this money?
https://www.dese.gov.au/national-school-chaplaincy-program-nscp
Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
Damn. What a waste of money.
Yeah. But then the Liberals are the best money managers and all.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
dv said:Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
Damn. What a waste of money.
Yeah. But then the Liberals are the best money managers and all.
Of course.
dv said:
Kingy said:
dv said:Sadly, no. The changes made in 2014 under the Abbott government mean that the chaplaincy money can only go to employees of religious bodies. Victoria’s school psychologists are paid for out of the Vic budget.
How is that possibly legal?
Just because the Abbott Govt made up the rules as they went along?
In fairness the government’s job is to legislate, and we don’t have a bill of rights limiting the government’s ability to enforce religion. In Westminster systems the parliament is supreme.
state capture is pretty neat
NEW York (CNN Business)The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) on Sunday released the “Pandora Papers,” an exposé of the financial secrets and offshore dealings of dozens of heads of state, public officials and politicians from 91 countries and territories.
More than 600 journalists from 150 outlets spent two years investigating nearly 12 million confidential files — a bigger cache of documents than 2016’s Panama Papers.
The Pandora Papers reveal how unusual offshore finances and secretive wealth have infiltrated global politics. Some of the people named in the papers are major political leaders in developing or impoverished countries, such as Jordan and Kenya.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/media/pandora-papers-five-takeaways/index.html
dv said:
NEW York (CNN Business)The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) on Sunday released the “Pandora Papers,” an exposé of the financial secrets and offshore dealings of dozens of heads of state, public officials and politicians from 91 countries and territories.More than 600 journalists from 150 outlets spent two years investigating nearly 12 million confidential files — a bigger cache of documents than 2016’s Panama Papers.
The Pandora Papers reveal how unusual offshore finances and secretive wealth have infiltrated global politics. Some of the people named in the papers are major political leaders in developing or impoverished countries, such as Jordan and Kenya.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/media/pandora-papers-five-takeaways/index.html
It was Four corners tonight. But I did not watch it. I will catch up.
wait we thought conspiracies were the domain of theorists
SCIENCE said:
wait we thought conspiracies were the domain of theorists
Well I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to find out Tony Blair had used an offshore shell company to avoid stamp duty on his UK property purchases.
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.
Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
What Premier is this?
Has one of the candidates withdrawn prior to the ballot?
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
And freedom of the religious to stop women having abortions when they need them.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
And freedom of the religious to stop women having abortions when they need them.
And freedom of those dying in agony to do without any medical help in ending their lives.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
What Premier is this?
Has one of the candidates withdrawn prior to the ballot?
Perrottet is expected to win.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
What Premier is this?
Has one of the candidates withdrawn prior to the ballot?
Perrottet is expected to win.
What’s the reputation of other guy?
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:What Premier is this?
Has one of the candidates withdrawn prior to the ballot?
Perrottet is expected to win.
What’s the reputation of other guy?
Seems to be regarded as more moderate and more popular with the public, but doesn’t have the factional numbers.
But I’m no expert :)
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
Sincerely hope he doesn’t geet the job.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Perrottet is expected to win.
What’s the reputation of other guy?
Seems to be regarded as more moderate and more popular with the public, but doesn’t have the factional numbers.
But I’m no expert :)
He must be in the wrong party?
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:What’s the reputation of other guy?
Seems to be regarded as more moderate and more popular with the public, but doesn’t have the factional numbers.
But I’m no expert :)
He must be in the wrong party?
I don’t know, most of the “culture wars” in this country tend to take place within the L/NP.
On social issues the ALP rarely leads the way, they just tend to follow public opinion. Whereas the Coalition tends to oppose public opinion, until the political cost of doing so becomes too high, then their more progressive factions try to drag policy more into line with public expectations.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
Sincerely hope he doesn’t geet the job.
Presumably the NSW opposition parties hope that he does.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Lots of articles about NSW’s new fanatic-faced premier, most of them describing him as “intelligent”, despite being a superstitious Catholic fundie Trump-admirer.Oh, and he’s “very passionate about freedom”, meaning freedom of big business to do as it likes, and freedom of the poor to do without any government support.
Sincerely hope he doesn’t geet the job.
Presumably the NSW opposition parties hope that he does.
The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Sincerely hope he doesn’t geet the job.
Presumably the NSW opposition parties hope that he does.
The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
Too many.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Presumably the NSW opposition parties hope that he does.
The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
Too many.
This is still plenty of time for NSW Labor to do any number of dumb things to reduce their already slim chances of winning that election.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Presumably the NSW opposition parties hope that he does.
The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
Too many.
From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”
To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
Too many.
From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
Spin.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Too many.
From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
Spin.
Topspin.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
Too many.
This is still plenty of time for NSW Labor to do any number of dumb things to reduce their already slim chances of winning that election.
No doubt.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The Internet tells me that the next NSW state election will be on 25 Mar 2023, which is only 536 days away.
Too many.
From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
Murdoch fantasy land.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
Spin.
Topspin.
Reassuring the NSW peasantry that they should remain calm, all is well, a saviour is waiting in the wings, there’s just some leadership-selection formalities to be checked off first, don’t worry, the economy still comes first.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Too many.
From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
Murdoch fantasy land.
According to TATE:
“During the 2000s, the AFR took on the role of the ‘corporate watchdog’, scrutinising businesses and the government for foul play and corruption. In more recent years, the AFR’s editorial stance and news coverage has become more neutral. However, it is still considered moderately conservative in its reporting bias with regards to free market regulation policies, but relatively close to the centre in its political views amongst Australian newspapers.”
I very rarely read it, but if the quoted extract is typical of AFR content, the Wikipedia article is in need of updating.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:From the so-called Financial Review:
“The timing may be opportune. As NSW watches in horror at the loss of liberties and economic damage inflicted on Victorians by their Socialist Left Premier, the minister who championed the state’s much-criticised but popular path out of the pandemic emerges with significant credibility.”To which all I can say is WTF are they talking about?
Murdoch fantasy land.
According to TATE:
“During the 2000s, the AFR took on the role of the ‘corporate watchdog’, scrutinising businesses and the government for foul play and corruption. In more recent years, the AFR’s editorial stance and news coverage has become more neutral. However, it is still considered moderately conservative in its reporting bias with regards to free market regulation policies, but relatively close to the centre in its political views amongst Australian newspapers.”I very rarely read it, but if the quoted extract is typical of AFR content, the Wikipedia article is in need of updating.
Actually I’m wrong, it’s not a Murdoch publication. But based on that extract, it might as well be.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:Murdoch fantasy land.
According to TATE:
“During the 2000s, the AFR took on the role of the ‘corporate watchdog’, scrutinising businesses and the government for foul play and corruption. In more recent years, the AFR’s editorial stance and news coverage has become more neutral. However, it is still considered moderately conservative in its reporting bias with regards to free market regulation policies, but relatively close to the centre in its political views amongst Australian newspapers.”I very rarely read it, but if the quoted extract is typical of AFR content, the Wikipedia article is in need of updating.
Actually I’m wrong, it’s not a Murdoch publication. But based on that extract, it might as well be.
An assumption easy to make.
Even though there are only two candidates in today’s vote, there are actually three things that could happen.
One of them, as outlined, is Mr Perrottet wins easily.
Here are the other two.
Could Rob Stokes win?
It’s considered unlikely, but anything is possible.
And the fact that there’s even a vote is evidence of that.
The NSW Liberals haven’t held one of these since 2002.
The fact there will be a ballot held essentially means not all moderates are happy to back Mr Perrottet, who has conservative views – he voted against decriminalising abortion in 2019, for example.
Today’s vote is secret, so for Mr Stokes to win, people who have already told their colleagues they’ll vote for Mr Perrottet would have to be lying.
It’s not out of the question.
Perrottet wins, but it’s close
This is the third option.
That would mean Mr Perrottet has only shaky support from within his own ranks, and that’s a problem.
The situation in Parliament is already precarious — the Coalition won a slender three-seat advantage at the 2019 election, but a lot has changed since then.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-05/ballot-for-nsw-premier-has-two-candidates-but-three-outcomes/100513234
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:Murdoch fantasy land.
According to TATE:
“During the 2000s, the AFR took on the role of the ‘corporate watchdog’, scrutinising businesses and the government for foul play and corruption. In more recent years, the AFR’s editorial stance and news coverage has become more neutral. However, it is still considered moderately conservative in its reporting bias with regards to free market regulation policies, but relatively close to the centre in its political views amongst Australian newspapers.”I very rarely read it, but if the quoted extract is typical of AFR content, the Wikipedia article is in need of updating.
Actually I’m wrong, it’s not a Murdoch publication. But based on that extract, it might as well be.
Yes, ex-Fairfax, now Channel 9, and I agree.
The Sydney Morning Herald still seems reasonably balanced, but maybe that’s because I only read the articles by the writers I like (like Ross Gittins).
roughbarked said:
Even though there are only two candidates in today’s vote, there are actually three things that could happen.One of them, as outlined, is Mr Perrottet wins easily.
Here are the other two.
Could Rob Stokes win?It’s considered unlikely, but anything is possible.
And the fact that there’s even a vote is evidence of that.
The NSW Liberals haven’t held one of these since 2002.
The fact there will be a ballot held essentially means not all moderates are happy to back Mr Perrottet, who has conservative views – he voted against decriminalising abortion in 2019, for example.
Today’s vote is secret, so for Mr Stokes to win, people who have already told their colleagues they’ll vote for Mr Perrottet would have to be lying.
It’s not out of the question.
Perrottet wins, but it’s close
This is the third option.
That would mean Mr Perrottet has only shaky support from within his own ranks, and that’s a problem.
The situation in Parliament is already precarious — the Coalition won a slender three-seat advantage at the 2019 election, but a lot has changed since then.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-05/ballot-for-nsw-premier-has-two-candidates-but-three-outcomes/100513234
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJX35NXDFqc
Who is it?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-05/dominic-perrottet-becomes-nsw-premier/100513804
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-05/dominic-perrottet-becomes-nsw-premier/100513804
Dominic Perrottet becomes 46th NSW Premier
Dominic Perrottet has been voted the NSW Liberal leader and will take over as the state’s Premier.
He defeated Planning Minister Rob Stokes in a party room ballot by 39 votes to 5.
More to come.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-05/dominic-perrottet-becomes-nsw-premier/100513804
A Binchicken replaced by a Pair a tits. Who’d a thought, hey what but.
Perrottet was quick to reassure voters: “I will govern for all conservative Catholics and all our right-wing business mates, not just those in my particular seat.”
Bubblecar said:
Perrottet was quick to reassure voters: “I will govern for all conservative Catholics and all our right-wing business mates, not just those in my particular seat.”
Oh and Jesus wept.
Bubblecar said:
Perrottet was quick to reassure voters: “I will govern for all conservative Catholics and all our right-wing business mates, not just those in my particular seat.”
……… and noooooo poofters.
“In 2017, he outlined his opposition to same-sex marriage on the grounds that “marriage is about every child’s fundamental right to grow up with their own mum and dad”.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Perrottet was quick to reassure voters: “I will govern for all conservative Catholics and all our right-wing business mates, not just those in my particular seat.”
……… and noooooo poofters.
“In 2017, he outlined his opposition to same-sex marriage on the grounds that “marriage is about every child’s fundamental right to grow up with their own mum and dad”.
Wonder why News Corp calls such comments “controversial” when they’re in full agreement with him.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Perrottet was quick to reassure voters: “I will govern for all conservative Catholics and all our right-wing business mates, not just those in my particular seat.”
……… and noooooo poofters.
“In 2017, he outlined his opposition to same-sex marriage on the grounds that “marriage is about every child’s fundamental right to grow up with their own mum and dad”.
Or in Barnaby’s case… ummm
told you
Gladys Berejiklian approached by senior Liberals to run in federal seat of Warringah
Exclusive: Supporters of Berejiklian are confident the Icac investigation will clear her of any wrongdoing and say she would be a ‘great asset’
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Ahahahahaha…
But yeah I see the reasoning, better to run at a level with no Icac.
so not a golden parachute then, a golden thermal glider
substitute roentgenium as appropriate
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.
“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-
Lol
thought you’d all predicted that long ago
dv said:
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-Lol
A good call for whom?
dv said:
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-Lol
What happened to Gladys?
She got caught being dodgy and underhanded, that’s what happened.
Don’t want any of that sort of thing in Canberra, thank you.
dv said:
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-Lol
what the actual fuck?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-Lol
what the actual fuck?
I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
dv said:
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-Lol
LOL indeed.
Spin has been spun.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
But Mr Morrison thinks this is a reason not to have a NSW-style ICAC.“It’s certainly not a model that we’d ever consider at a federal level and I think that’s been on display for some time,” Mr Morrison told Seven Network on Tuesday.
“I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and understand that’s a pretty good call not to follow that model.”
-Lol
what the actual fuck?
I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:what the actual fuck?
I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
I see no evidence that she was in any way “good at what she did”.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
I see no evidence that she was in any way “good at what she did”.
i think it’s pretty obvious she was a good politician and a good premier. you don’t have to like her politics, but she was effective.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
I see no evidence that she was in any way “good at what she did”.
i think it’s pretty obvious she was a good politician and a good premier. you don’t have to like her politics, but she was effective.
I would disagree. When a state Premier plays politics the detriment of the state, (not following Vic’s lead with Covid strategy) then you are not a good premier.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
I see no evidence that she was in any way “good at what she did”.
i think it’s pretty obvious she was a good politician and a good premier. you don’t have to like her politics, but she was effective.
There’s a meme for that, but I can’t find it.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I see no evidence that she was in any way “good at what she did”.
i think it’s pretty obvious she was a good politician and a good premier. you don’t have to like her politics, but she was effective.
I would disagree. When a state Premier plays politics the detriment of the state, (not following Vic’s lead with Covid strategy) then you are not a good premier.
The metrics say it was a good call not to follow Vic’s strategy.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:what the actual fuck?
I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Peak Warming Man said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:i think it’s pretty obvious she was a good politician and a good premier. you don’t have to like her politics, but she was effective.
I would disagree. When a state Premier plays politics the detriment of the state, (not following Vic’s lead with Covid strategy) then you are not a good premier.
The metrics say it was a good call not to follow Vic’s strategy.
Which metrics would those be?
The ones that show it was a bad call not to follow Queensland’s and WA’s and SA’s strategy perhaps?
Peak Warming Man said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:i think it’s pretty obvious she was a good politician and a good premier. you don’t have to like her politics, but she was effective.
I would disagree. When a state Premier plays politics the detriment of the state, (not following Vic’s lead with Covid strategy) then you are not a good premier.
The metrics say it was a good call not to follow Vic’s strategy.
The first time NSW had a decent outbreak the country went to shit.
Good call.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Presumably because she knew he was up to dodgy dealings, and didn’t want to get him into trouble.
To be charitable.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Because she’s guilty of the accusations?
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Presumably because she knew he was up to dodgy dealings, and didn’t want to get him into trouble.
To be charitable.
Scientists have to declare their conflicts of interest. But as long as it’s declared, you just get on with your research.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Presumably because she knew he was up to dodgy dealings, and didn’t want to get him into trouble.
To be charitable.
Scientists have to declare their conflicts of interest. But as long as it’s declared, you just get on with your research.
So if a scientist was a director of a tobacco company and was doing research showing that smoking tobacco is good for you, that’s all just fine?
Apart from which, politicians are not scientists.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I’m sure there are millions of people who are seeing what’s happened to Gladys Berejiklian and are glad she’s gone and relieved that’s there’s at least some degree of accountability going on.
I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Yes
They have forms for it as well, you’re meant to immediately inform people of such things
I’ve done it a couple of times, only I was aware of the conflict but keeping schtoom isn’t the way to go
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:I mean I’m not happy, or sad, or otherwise to see her resign.. she was obviously good at what she did (irrespective of if you agreed with her or not) but it is wholly possible to be both good at one’s own job and make a poor decision.
it’s abundantly clear that she wanted to keep her relationship with Daz on the quiet, and was thus prepared to break rules, as they relate to conflict of interest, to do so.
conflict of interest isn’t just about not making decisions that benefit you, or yours; it’s more managing the perception of conflict.
But why would she want to keep it on the quiet? If you let people know, they can’t accuse you of hiding something.
Presumably because she knew he was up to dodgy dealings, and didn’t want to get him into trouble.
To be charitable.
I think you was more worried about the optics of the relationship itself, rather than the guy specifically… by all accounts she is incredibly private and in an effort to avoid questions and reckoning associated with being an un-married, childless woman in politics (just look at what happened to Julia) so went to the extreeme of hiding everything.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Presumably because she knew he was up to dodgy dealings, and didn’t want to get him into trouble.
To be charitable.
Scientists have to declare their conflicts of interest. But as long as it’s declared, you just get on with your research.
So if a scientist was a director of a tobacco company and was doing research showing that smoking tobacco is good for you, that’s all just fine?
Apart from which, politicians are not scientists.
managing conflicts of interest is, as I said, as much (if not more) about perception than it is about actually making dodgy decisions
And what about the new NSW Premier?
With a conservative Christian at the helm of the NSW Liberal party, I won’t be voting for them next election.
Obviousman said:
And what about the new NSW Premier?With a conservative Christian at the helm of the NSW Liberal party, I won’t be voting for them next election.
Let’s hope lots of people follow your example.
It does seem to be an electoral liability that they haven’t bothered to consider.
His views on many issues are basically the same as those of George Christensen and Cory Bernardi, who were regarded as eccentrics even in the Federal Coalition.
Bubblecar said:
Obviousman said:
And what about the new NSW Premier?With a conservative Christian at the helm of the NSW Liberal party, I won’t be voting for them next election.
Let’s hope lots of people follow your example.
It does seem to be an electoral liability that they haven’t bothered to consider.
His views on many issues are basically the same as those of George Christensen and Cory Bernardi, who were regarded as eccentrics even in the Federal Coalition.
conservative Christian is a dirty word I reckon
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Obviousman said:
And what about the new NSW Premier?With a conservative Christian at the helm of the NSW Liberal party, I won’t be voting for them next election.
Let’s hope lots of people follow your example.
It does seem to be an electoral liability that they haven’t bothered to consider.
His views on many issues are basically the same as those of George Christensen and Cory Bernardi, who were regarded as eccentrics even in the Federal Coalition.
conservative Christian is a dirty word I reckon
I prefer to use the term ‘racist & homophobic nutter’.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Obviousman said:
And what about the new NSW Premier?With a conservative Christian at the helm of the NSW Liberal party, I won’t be voting for them next election.
Let’s hope lots of people follow your example.
It does seem to be an electoral liability that they haven’t bothered to consider.
His views on many issues are basically the same as those of George Christensen and Cory Bernardi, who were regarded as eccentrics even in the Federal Coalition.
conservative Christian is a dirty word I reckon
I’m fed up with them.
Especially the ripping off of the country while punishing the poor stuff.
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
Peak Warming Man said:
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
Nailed it in one. (JK)
Peak Warming Man said:
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
No but conservatism in politics usually means maintaining a status quo whose ideals are cemented in the 1950’s
Add in Christianity and you can pretty much slam anyone not white and Christian
Berejiklian regularly attends events of the Armenian Apostolic Church. Since June 2021 she has been dating lawyer Arthur Moses SC, who represented her at a corruption hearing into her former boyfriend Daryl Maguire. Wiki
Peak Warming Man said:
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
all strawmen burn.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
all strawmen burn.
Zing!
Peak Warming Man said:
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
When the holy book dictates policies, then you will be a bad leader.
Dark Orange said:
Peak Warming Man said:
All conservative Christians are bad, all Muslims are terrorists.
When the holy book dictates policies, then you will be a bad leader.
or where your personal interpretation of a holy book…etc.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.html
The disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Gee, they went all out for that scoop.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Gee, they went all out for that scoop.
“It must be true, because it’s written in the Daily Mail.”
Dan.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
Meanwhile in the Victorian Liberal party:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/matthew-guy-threatens-to-kick-right-winger-bernie-finn-out-of-party-20211004-p58×72.html
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
You never ever wear a yellow cap with a flannelette shirt.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
You never ever wear a yellow cap with a flannelette shirt.
Depends what was being given away with the drench, doesn’t it?
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Gee, they went all out for that scoop.
Yeah, I thought so too.
:-)
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
LOL, you never find absurdity interesting?
>Daryl Maguire was photographed in a weird yellow headdress and hair shirt, driving a tank, shooting at passers-by and smoking hard drugs on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why am I not surprised?
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Gee, they went all out for that scoop.
Or very low.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
What would you use?
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
What would you use?
root. that is why i don’t write for newspapers.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
What would you use?
Considering the power disparity ‘sex slave’…
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
You never ever wear a yellow cap with a flannelette shirt.
Snort.
You owe me a screen cleaning!
:)
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Cymek said:Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
What would you use?
root. that is why i don’t write for newspapers.
I’d probably use that, too.
“Squeeze” might be better.
Do the poms use “root”?
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:What would you use?
root. that is why i don’t write for newspapers.
I’d probably use that, too.
“Squeeze” might be better.
Do the poms use “root”?
never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Gee, they went all out for that scoop.
Yeah, I thought so too.
:-)
Did they mention what brand he smokes?
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:Gee, they went all out for that scoop.
Yeah, I thought so too.
:-)
Did they mention what brand he smokes?
More importantly what was the logo on the yellow cap?
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:root. that is why i don’t write for newspapers.
I’d probably use that, too.
“Squeeze” might be better.
Do the poms use “root”?
never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
I thought it was in common usage, but I may be misremembering.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
They should have gone with cicisbeo
dv said:
Lies and nonsense everywhere, it seems.
dv said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
They should have gone with cicisbeo
You’re so la-di-da.
What’s wrong with swain?
dv said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
They should have gone with cicisbeo
Ha!
Michael V said:
dv said:
Lies and nonsense everywhere, it seems.
Lies, damned lies, and tweets.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:I’d probably use that, too.
“Squeeze” might be better.
Do the poms use “root”?
never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
I thought it was in common usage, but I may be misremembering.
I believe it is aussie slang.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10051745/Glady-Berejiklians-ex-Daryl-Maguire-spotted-time-NSW-Premiers-resignation.htmlThe disgraced secret lover of outgoing NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian has been spotted carrying a rifle and puffing on a cigarette just one day after she was forced to resign over their controversial relationship and a subsequent corruption scandal.
Daryl Maguire was photographed on Saturday in a yellow cap and flannelette shirt, carrying a gun and smoking on his property in Wagga Wagga, NSW.
Why is this interesting?
LOL, you never find absurdity interesting?
I’m not sure that is absurd. Supremely stupid, perhaps.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
Cymek said:Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
What would you use?
Considering the power disparity ‘sex slave’…
Considering it lasted for years…partner seems appropriate.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
I thought it was in common usage, but I may be misremembering.
I believe it is aussie slang.
Urban dictionary agrees with you:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=root
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
buffy said:I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
They should have gone with cicisbeo
You’re so la-di-da.
What’s wrong with swain?
Is that similar to a coxswain?
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
I thought it was in common usage, but I may be misremembering.
I believe it is aussie slang.
I think it is, too.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:root. that is why i don’t write for newspapers.
I’d probably use that, too.
“Squeeze” might be better.
Do the poms use “root”?
never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
What’s wrong with “bonkers”?
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
They should have gone with cicisbeo
You’re so la-di-da.
What’s wrong with swain?
Is that similar to a coxswain?
Presumably only when referring to a man.
btm said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:I’d probably use that, too.
“Squeeze” might be better.
Do the poms use “root”?
never heard it there, but then I was pretty innocent at the time.
What’s wrong with “bonkers”?
Nuts!
dv said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
They should have gone with cicisbeo
I like inamorato. But I hadn’t heard it before.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
buffy said:I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
They should have gone with cicisbeo
You’re so la-di-da.
What’s wrong with swain?
Well pardon me for trying to bring the flavour to this mayonnaise sandwich of a forum
OED has an early cite for the Aust and NZ course slang root from 1922.
Interestingly they connect it to the verb meaning “to dig up with the snout” from the Old English wrotan.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:Why is this interesting?
Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
Arts said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Who uses the term lover, it’s really moronic
I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
partner? I mean that’s the term I used for Mr Arts before we were married… then I went to father of my children, which he liked less, so he turned into a husband… so now I call him my first husband, and sometimes my favourite husband.
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
partner? I mean that’s the term I used for Mr Arts before we were married… then I went to father of my children, which he liked less, so he turned into a husband… so now I call him my first husband, and sometimes my favourite husband.
Partner is fine with me. It’s kind of general. I did learn to call my business partner my business partner, or there was confusion. Although most people thought he was my father. And he was the right age for that. I call Mr buffy my husband (because he is).
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I find “boyfriend” annoying for anyone over about 25. In my mind boyfriends belong in your teen years.
I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
Men are always calling themselves ‘one of the boys’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
Men are always calling themselves ‘one of the boys’.
Usually when they are skiting about doing something silly…
;)
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
Men are always calling themselves ‘one of the boys’.
Usually when they are skiting about doing something silly…
;)
And to a ripe old age too!
buffy said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
partner? I mean that’s the term I used for Mr Arts before we were married… then I went to father of my children, which he liked less, so he turned into a husband… so now I call him my first husband, and sometimes my favourite husband.
Partner is fine with me. It’s kind of general. I did learn to call my business partner my business partner, or there was confusion. Although most people thought he was my father. And he was the right age for that. I call Mr buffy my husband (because he is).
How ‘bout “current squeeze”?
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Arts said:partner? I mean that’s the term I used for Mr Arts before we were married… then I went to father of my children, which he liked less, so he turned into a husband… so now I call him my first husband, and sometimes my favourite husband.
Partner is fine with me. It’s kind of general. I did learn to call my business partner my business partner, or there was confusion. Although most people thought he was my father. And he was the right age for that. I call Mr buffy my husband (because he is).
How ‘bout “current squeeze”?
toy boy
Arts said:
buffy said:
Arts said:I think it’s fine. Boyfriend is better than some of the alternatives..
I think it’s the boy bit. A boy is immature, a child, or youth. I’m not sure I know many men who would be happy to be called a boy.
partner? I mean that’s the term I used for Mr Arts before we were married… then I went to father of my children, which he liked less, so he turned into a husband… so now I call him my first husband, and sometimes my favourite husband.
I don’t know anything much about Paul Toole but new Nat deputy leader Bronnie Taylor is a former nurse who has been involved in regional health reforms since the O’Farrell era so it’s always good to have medically literate folks in leadership roles.
rumours.
>>The Bulletin
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Twitter is in meltdown at the moment over allegations that John Barilaro had many affairs whilst leader of the NSW Nats.
It is alleged that a ‘well known right wing journalist” is included in the unknown number of affairs Barilaro is alleged to have had.
One allegation is that Barilaro also had an affair with a staffer , and that staffer is alleged to be none other than Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Brigette.
Another allegation is that this affair resulted in a pregnancy !
No wonder Joyce was whingeing about ICAC ! His daughter is about to be exposed. Along with his ‘mate’ John “pork” Barilaro.
sarahs mum said:
rumours.>>The Bulletin
17 mins ·
TWITTER TALK
Twitter is in meltdown at the moment over allegations that John Barilaro had many affairs whilst leader of the NSW Nats.
It is alleged that a ‘well known right wing journalist” is included in the unknown number of affairs Barilaro is alleged to have had.
One allegation is that Barilaro also had an affair with a staffer , and that staffer is alleged to be none other than Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Brigette.
Another allegation is that this affair resulted in a pregnancy !
No wonder Joyce was whingeing about ICAC ! His daughter is about to be exposed. Along with his ‘mate’ John “pork” Barilaro.
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I must say that I find it hard to believe. But I can’t imagine why someone wuld be attracted to him.
sarahs mum said:
rumours.>>The Bulletin
17 mins ·
TWITTER TALK
Twitter is in meltdown at the moment over allegations that John Barilaro had many affairs whilst leader of the NSW Nats.
It is alleged that a ‘well known right wing journalist” is included in the unknown number of affairs Barilaro is alleged to have had.
One allegation is that Barilaro also had an affair with a staffer , and that staffer is alleged to be none other than Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Brigette.
Another allegation is that this affair resulted in a pregnancy !
No wonder Joyce was whingeing about ICAC ! His daughter is about to be exposed. Along with his ‘mate’ John “pork” Barilaro.
Why would ICAC be chasing people because they are having an affair?
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
rumours.>>The Bulletin
17 mins ·
TWITTER TALK
Twitter is in meltdown at the moment over allegations that John Barilaro had many affairs whilst leader of the NSW Nats.
It is alleged that a ‘well known right wing journalist” is included in the unknown number of affairs Barilaro is alleged to have had.
One allegation is that Barilaro also had an affair with a staffer , and that staffer is alleged to be none other than Barnaby Joyce’s daughter Brigette.
Another allegation is that this affair resulted in a pregnancy !
No wonder Joyce was whingeing about ICAC ! His daughter is about to be exposed. Along with his ‘mate’ John “pork” Barilaro.
Why would ICAC be chasing people because they are having an affair?
If that’s now part of their brief they’re going to need a lot more funding.
ABC News:
‘Liberal Facebook page accusing SA Labor of lying caught making false claims
By state political reporter Stacey Lee
The Liberal Party’s South Australian branch issues an apology about a post on its Facebook page “SA Labor Lies”, which was itself found to have made false claims about the opposition’s stance on major policies.’
Sascha Meldrum, SA director of the Liberal Party, who does not seem to have realised that she’s stepped in something very smelly.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Liberal Facebook page accusing SA Labor of lying caught making false claims
By state political reporter Stacey Lee
The Liberal Party’s South Australian branch issues an apology about a post on its Facebook page “SA Labor Lies”, which was itself found to have made false claims about the opposition’s stance on major policies.’
Sascha Meldrum, SA director of the Liberal Party, who does not seem to have realised that she’s stepped in something very smelly.
Hopefully no relation to Molly.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/01/australia/australia-climate-cop26-morrison-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
Australia’s climate policy is being dictated by a former accountant in a cowboy hat
didn’t read the article just thought the headline was enough.
James O’Doherty of the Daily Telegraph reports Liberal concerns that the three quitters could be shortly joined by Rob Stokes, member for Pittwater (Liberal 20.8% versus Greens), in the seemingly likely event that he is not elected leader; Melanie Gibbons, member for Holsworthy (Liberal 3.3%), who has been “touted for the federal seat of Hughes”; Health Minister Brad Hazzard, member for Wakehurst (Liberal 21.0%); and Local Government Minister Shelley Hancock, member for South Coast (Liberal 10.6%).
All of these could be considered pretty safe at by elections, except perhaps for Holsworthy.
dv said:
James O’Doherty of the Daily Telegraph reports Liberal concerns that the three quitters could be shortly joined by Rob Stokes, member for Pittwater (Liberal 20.8% versus Greens), in the seemingly likely event that he is not elected leader; Melanie Gibbons, member for Holsworthy (Liberal 3.3%), who has been “touted for the federal seat of Hughes”; Health Minister Brad Hazzard, member for Wakehurst (Liberal 21.0%); and Local Government Minister Shelley Hancock, member for South Coast (Liberal 10.6%).All of these could be considered pretty safe at by elections, except perhaps for Holsworthy.
Holsworthy is chocka with military peeps. When my son was based there he almost turned to the dark side.
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Michael V said:
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Makes you wonder why we ordered them in the first place.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Makes you wonder why we ordered them in the first place.
Better option didn’t exist at the time perhaps or the new pact with the US/UK is what its really about.
Pity all the money isn’t used elsewhere though
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Have we got a confirmed on that 3 bill?I also heard it could be 10 bill. But then..what’s a few bill?
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Have we got a confirmed on that 3 bill?I also heard it could be 10 bill. But then..what’s a few bill?
Tax the poor more!
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
I suppose the truth could lie anywhere…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/biden-distances-us-french-submarine-contract-cancelled-anger/100518118
Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Have we got a confirmed on that 3 bill?I also heard it could be 10 bill. But then..what’s a few bill?
Lot of money either way for nothing.
Wouldn’t it be nice if the world said no military spending for the next decade or two lets use it to try and fix the planet
Going by the figures for 2021 it’s 1.981 trillion so over two decades it would be at least 40 trillion as its only going to increase each year I imagine
>>Australia could have been more polite to the French
stops reading
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Australia could have been more polite to the Frenchstops reading
I got the irony of being polite to the French who aren’t like that themselves
Watching ‘7Plus’ on the lappy and I’m getting nothing but Windows 11 ads.
Oops.
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Michael V said:
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Oh yes, there’s a cavalcade of by elections
Michael V said:
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Seems she’s planning to enter federal politics, presumably hoping to become the most miserable-looking and generally useless PM since Little Johnny.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Seems she’s planning to enter federal politics, presumably hoping to become the most miserable-looking and generally useless PM since Little Johnny.
ICAC might kybosh that.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Seems she’s planning to enter federal politics, presumably hoping to become the most miserable-looking and generally useless PM since Little Johnny.
We could well get two former NSW women Premiers running in the same seat.
Glady’s is very popular.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Seems she’s planning to enter federal politics, presumably hoping to become the most miserable-looking and generally useless PM since Little Johnny.
We could well get two former NSW women Premiers running in the same seat.
Glady’s is very popular.
Why, is anyone’s guess. She has all the charisma of a slapped arse.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
I hadn’t realised that Gladys is resigning from her seat as well.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/nsw-gladys-berejiklian-returns-to-willoughby/100516890
Seems she’s planning to enter federal politics, presumably hoping to become the most miserable-looking and generally useless PM since Little Johnny.
ICAC might kybosh that.
Hard to imagine how anyone could run for any public office again, if ICAC delivers an adverse finding.
dv said:
Yep.
dv said:
True but Murdoch’s dogs are paid good money to write drivel.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
True but Murdoch’s dogs are paid good money to write drivel.
That’s expected but the fawning from the ABC makes me want a tax refund
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
True but Murdoch’s dogs are paid good money to write drivel.
That’s expected but the fawning from the ABC makes me want a tax refund
sibeen said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:True but Murdoch’s dogs are paid good money to write drivel.
That’s expected but the fawning from the ABC makes me want a tax refund
cheap at half the price.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
dv said:That’s expected but the fawning from the ABC makes me want a tax refund
cheap at half the price.
Ha!
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
cheap at half the price.
Ha!
There was a time the ABC was making quality dramas…
there’s suggestions that ICAC ipecac might prevent someone from being elected as prime minister but seriously we do wonder if there is any precedent to any given individual well known to be corrupt and a liar and a cheat (as if these were separate things) and even readily speaking of gross violation of female personal integrity being elected to the highest office of the land somewhere
SCIENCE said:
there’s suggestions that ICAC ipecac might prevent someone from being elected as prime minister but seriously we do wonder if there is any precedent to any given individual well known to be corrupt and a liar and a cheat (as if these were separate things) and even readily speaking of gross violation of female personal integrity being elected to the highest office of the land somewhere
Or… such people see Federal politics as an attractive option because there is no equivalent anti-corruption body in the Federal political realm.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
there’s suggestions that ICAC ipecac might prevent someone from being elected as prime minister but seriously we do wonder if there is any precedent to any given individual well known to be corrupt and a liar and a cheat (as if these were separate things) and even readily speaking of gross violation of female personal integrity being elected to the highest office of the land somewhere
Or… such people see Federal politics as an attractive option because there is no equivalent anti-corruption body in the Federal political realm.
yeah we still find it disgusting but maybe we’re too naive or idealistic
then again
Entering Parliament this morning, Mr Andrews repeatedly declined to comment on reports in The Age that IBAC has been looking directly at his involvement in deals with the UFU. “If you want to know what IBAC is doing and who they’re doing it with, then you need to speak to IBAC. I cannot provide you with any other answer,” Mr Andrews said. “You should go back to them and have a chat about what’s being investigated. This is the point that I’m making. I’m not in a position to confirm or otherwise. “I behave appropriately at all times, and I’m focused always on doing what is the appropriate thing to do.”
OH OUR GOODNESS
Under laws set up for IBAC, it can be an offence for people to confirm that they have been interviewed by the watchdog or are subject to an investigation.
oh wait so it was attempted entrapment
nice journalism
That’s a pretty crap law…
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Australia could have been more polite to the French about cancelling the deal, but its our prerogative to do so and we paid a penalty of a few billions dollars anyway.
They aren’t exactly stealth nuclear armed submarines that could threaten a nuclear attack on anyway, pretty much just a more versatile submarine for our needs (into the future for sure)
Have we got a confirmed on that 3 bill?I also heard it could be 10 bill. But then..what’s a few bill?
Lot of money either way for nothing.
Wouldn’t it be nice if the world said no military spending for the next decade or two lets use it to try and fix the planet
Going by the figures for 2021 it’s 1.981 trillion so over two decades it would be at least 40 trillion as its only going to increase each year I imagine
Wouldn’t it be nice. Firstly we have to fix the populace. They/we are the people who are fucking the planet. The planet neds us to completely change our mindset. Nothing can be repaired unless we do.
Someone called Dominic Perrottet “Jacobs Creek Mogg” and it’s too obscure and unwieldy to catch on but that’s some gold star nicknaming.
dv said:
Someone called Dominic Perrottet “Jacobs Creek Mogg” and it’s too obscure and unwieldy to catch on but that’s some gold star nicknaming.
Sums him up nicely, i’d say.
dv said:
Someone called Dominic Perrottet “Jacobs Creek Mogg” and it’s too obscure and unwieldy to catch on but that’s some gold star nicknaming.
It’s quite funny.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-07/kylie-minogue-to-move-home-to-australia-after-30-years/100520576
This is fucking genius,
It’s an awkward situation for the Premier, or anyone assisting IBAC, because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you. For its part IBAC does not confirm investigations. Politically it is not a particularly good look for the Premier to be potentially under a cloud, especially when compared to the events in NSW last week.
… you mean anyone could be accused or insinuations could be made and since they can’t even comment, they are therefore under a cloud ¿
Fuck, if only Christian Porter had the protection of a national IBAC so he wouldn’t have had to out himself ¡
SCIENCE said:
This is fucking genius,It’s an awkward situation for the Premier, or anyone assisting IBAC, because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you. For its part IBAC does not confirm investigations. Politically it is not a particularly good look for the Premier to be potentially under a cloud, especially when compared to the events in NSW last week.
… you mean anyone could be accused or insinuations could be made and since they can’t even comment, they are therefore under a cloud ¿
Fuck, if only Christian Porter had the protection of a national IBAC so he wouldn’t have had to out himself ¡
“because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you”
I doubt that would be relevant to the accused. It would be more to prevent the witnesses from speaking out.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
This is fucking genius,It’s an awkward situation for the Premier, or anyone assisting IBAC, because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you. For its part IBAC does not confirm investigations. Politically it is not a particularly good look for the Premier to be potentially under a cloud, especially when compared to the events in NSW last week.
… you mean anyone could be accused or insinuations could be made and since they can’t even comment, they are therefore under a cloud ¿
Fuck, if only Christian Porter had the protection of a national IBAC so he wouldn’t have had to out himself ¡
“because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you”
I doubt that would be relevant to the accused. It would be more to prevent the witnesses from speaking out.
He may well be a witness.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
This is fucking genius,
It’s an awkward situation for the Premier, or anyone assisting IBAC, because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you. For its part IBAC does not confirm investigations. Politically it is not a particularly good look for the Premier to be potentially under a cloud, especially when compared to the events in NSW last week.
… you mean anyone could be accused or insinuations could be made and since they can’t even comment, they are therefore under a cloud ¿
Fuck, if only Christian Porter had the protection of a national IBAC so he wouldn’t have had to out himself ¡
“because it can be an offence to reveal if IBAC has spoken to you”
I doubt that would be relevant to the accused. It would be more to prevent the witnesses from speaking out.
can accused be witnesses
quick quick change the rules before they
oh
Public servants have been told they no longer have a mandatory requirement to report misconduct and maladministration in their workplaces, as new laws that govern South Australia’s anti-corruption watchdog come into force.
Parliament unanimously voted to reduce the ICAC’s powers
SCIENCE said:
quick quick change the rules before theyoh
Public servants have been told they no longer have a mandatory requirement to report misconduct and maladministration in their workplaces, as new laws that govern South Australia’s anti-corruption watchdog come into force.
Parliament unanimously voted to reduce the ICAC’s powers
sigh
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/friendlyjordies-and-the-nsw-governments-demise,15602#
JudgeMental said:
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/friendlyjordies-and-the-nsw-governments-demise,15602#
“Staining the cover of yesterday’s (6 October)The Age – now an unrecognisable shadow of the former hard-hitting publication others once emulated – is not an image of either of the fallen New South Wales politicians. Instead, it featured a photo of Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews alongside the headline, ‘Graft body examines role of Premier in firefighters deal’. This was followed by reports of Andrews “defending himself”.
…
Personally I think the IBAC probe was a more important story than the events in NSW and I’m an ALP member.
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/normalising-the-rot/
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/im-trying-to-welcome-dom-perrottet-with-open-arms-but-holy-cow-its-hard/
dv said:
I blame the creatures who vote for these creatures.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I blame the creatures who vote for these creatures.
Someone should track them down and interview them. It would make a gruesome documentary.
Did you vote for Barnaby Joyce? And if so, why, and what kind of person are you, and how does this reflect on your family and local community?
It would be like turning over slabs of stone to reveal the slugs and slaters etc.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
I blame the creatures who vote for these creatures.
Someone should track them down and interview them. It would make a gruesome documentary.
Did you vote for Barnaby Joyce? And if so, why, and what kind of person are you, and how does this reflect on your family and local community?
It would be like turning over slabs of stone to reveal the slugs and slaters etc.
but it might not be completely the fault of the stupid for being stupid hey
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:I blame the creatures who vote for these creatures.
Someone should track them down and interview them. It would make a gruesome documentary.
Did you vote for Barnaby Joyce? And if so, why, and what kind of person are you, and how does this reflect on your family and local community?
It would be like turning over slabs of stone to reveal the slugs and slaters etc.
but it might not be completely the fault of the stupid for being stupid hey
You saying these people are just arseholes?
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:I blame the creatures who vote for these creatures.
Someone should track them down and interview them. It would make a gruesome documentary.
Did you vote for Barnaby Joyce? And if so, why, and what kind of person are you, and how does this reflect on your family and local community?
It would be like turning over slabs of stone to reveal the slugs and slaters etc.
but it might not be completely the fault of the stupid for being stupid hey
Money makes the world go down.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Someone should track them down and interview them. It would make a gruesome documentary.
Did you vote for Barnaby Joyce? And if so, why, and what kind of person are you, and how does this reflect on your family and local community?
It would be like turning over slabs of stone to reveal the slugs and slaters etc.
but it might not be completely the fault of the stupid for being stupid hey
You saying these people are just arseholes?
there might be media manipulation going on somewhere
Should media be regulated as well. People express their biases and opinions on social media and reporters at News Corp express their biases and opinions.
So regulate them all, don’t be selective.
Facebook
Twitter
Snapchat
Newscorp
Tau.Neutrino said:
Should media be regulated as well. People express their biases and opinions on social media and reporters at News Corp express their biases and opinions.
So regulate them all, don’t be selective.
Snapchat
Newscorp
wasn’t the push to regulate entirely at the insistence of murder media noose corpse
Tau.Neutrino said:
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says the government is not joking over plans to regulate social mediaShould media be regulated as well. People express their biases and opinions on social media and reporters at News Corp express their biases and opinions.
So regulate them all, don’t be selective.
Snapchat
Newscorp
I spose it’s a distraction from talking about the trickier issues.. water, fossil fuel subsidies, climate change, a fractured coalition…
Victorian Labor minister Luke Donnellan quits over IBAC allegations of branch stacking
…
¿who?
Yesterday, Mr Byrne admitted to the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC) that he and others within Victorian Labor had spent thousands of dollars over the years to pay for people’s membership fees to garner their support.
Branch stacking — the act of signing up party members in order to influence the outcomes of party ballots — is not illegal but it is against Labor’s own rules.
Mr Byrne’s admission places his party’s leader in an uncomfortable position as Labor continues to pressure the government on its delayed introduction of a federal anti-corruption body.
—
Well all right then, it’s not illegal so how embarrassing that a party has a higher standard to aspire to but sometimes doesn’t make it.
Why not have an independent external body to investigate breaches of internally set standards wait what the fuck oh sorry did this distract from the important issue that there are investigations yet to be made into breaches of basic standards by
uh
wait is that the secret police knocking at our door ¿
dv said:
Not as scientific as it might be.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/clive-palmer-loses-battle-against-state-of-western-australia/100534312
Clive Palmer loses High Court battle against the state of Western Australia, prevented from suing
Sad
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/clive-palmer-loses-battle-against-state-of-western-australia/100534312Clive Palmer loses High Court battle against the state of Western Australia, prevented from suing
Sad
His role as Baron Harkonnen in Dune will take his mind off the loss
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/collaerys-trial-to-be-public-but-it-should-be-abandoned,15616
and then
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/liberals-fuming-following-sa-speakership-coup/100535248
need that ICAC now
Supposed to be a good time for Aurora in Tasmania and Victoria
dv said:
Supposed to be a good time for Aurora in Tasmania and Victoria
my alerts have been going off but they are mostly back of camera.
dv said:
Supposed to be a good time for Aurora in Tasmania and Victoria
The next four days are going to be pissing down, at least in Melbourne, so no chance for Aurora here.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/clive-palmer-loses-battle-against-state-of-western-australia/100534312Clive Palmer loses High Court battle against the state of Western Australia, prevented from suing
Sad
I expect he is.
https://www.thebelltowertimes.com/clive-palmer-to-sue-high-court-for-constantly-ruling-against-him/
It seems the High Court’s most recent decision against Clive Palmer was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
With the mining magnate swearing to bring a High Court challenge against the High Court seeking a declaration that they can no longer rule against him every time.
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satire
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-application-for-friendlyjordies/100534774
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-application-for-friendlyjordies/100534774
“That’s a charge? God, it’s not even a walk through the park. It’s inane,” the magistrate replied.
I rest my case when a magistrate brings God into the argument.roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-application-for-friendlyjordies/100534774
“That’s a charge? God, it’s not even a walk through the park. It’s inane,” the magistrate replied.
I rest my case when a magistrate brings God into the argument.
Friendly jordies last post went through all the spelling errors the police submitted to the magistrate. Sigh. Many spelling errors.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-application-for-friendlyjordies/100534774
“That’s a charge? God, it’s not even a walk through the park. It’s inane,” the magistrate replied.
I rest my case when a magistrate brings God into the argument.
LOL. FFS.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-application-for-friendlyjordies/100534774
“That’s a charge? God, it’s not even a walk through the park. It’s inane,” the magistrate replied.
I rest my case when a magistrate brings God into the argument.LOL. FFS.
They don’t need to.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/magistrate-adjourns-police-application-for-friendlyjordies/100534774
“That’s a charge? God, it’s not even a walk through the park. It’s inane,” the magistrate replied.
I rest my case when a magistrate brings God into the argument.LOL. FFS.
Hehehehehe
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
“That’s a charge? God, it’s not even a walk through the park. It’s inane,” the magistrate replied.
I rest my case when a magistrate brings God into the argument.LOL. FFS.
Hehehehehe
so who should we be barracking for here, the plaintiff, the defendant, the court, the deity, seriously what’s the bottom line here, we’ve got COVID-19 shit to deal with so what’s the summary
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL. FFS.
Hehehehehe
so who should we be barracking for here, the plaintiff, the defendant, the court, the deity, seriously what’s the bottom line here, we’ve got COVID-19 shit to deal with so what’s the summary
Cops are crooked and incompetent and want people to stop pointing that out.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
Hehehehehe
so who should we be barracking for here, the plaintiff, the defendant, the court, the deity, seriously what’s the bottom line here, we’ve got COVID-19 shit to deal with so what’s the summary
Cops are crooked and incompetent and want people to stop pointing that out.
well if that’s the case we suppose we agree with the court or magistrate or judge or whatever they call it, it seems ridiculous even if* true
*: “if”
well all right let’s not tar everyone with the same brush but damn f’real
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL. FFS.
Hehehehehe
so who should we be barracking for here, the plaintiff, the defendant, the court, the deity, seriously what’s the bottom line here, we’ve got COVID-19 shit to deal with so what’s the summary
It’s a plain tiff
Nationals want $250B to subsidise China & tax dodging fossil fuel companies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D5EsyJ-M0
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/clive-palmer-loses-battle-against-state-of-western-australia/100534312Clive Palmer loses High Court battle against the state of Western Australia, prevented from suing
Sad
His role as Baron Harkonnen in Dune will take his mind off the loss
Like
sarahs mum said:
Nationals want $250B to subsidise China & tax dodging fossil fuel companies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13D5EsyJ-M0
watched that, cheers
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
Good on him.
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
and yet here we are
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Let’s hope it scares the government into not expanding the card.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Let’s hope it scares the government into not expanding the card.
I agree with Ian. If you want to be guaranteed to lose the election then throw this into the ring. They have to come out and deny it is even a distant thought.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Let’s hope it scares the government into not expanding the card.
I agree with Ian. If you want to be guaranteed to lose the election then throw this into the ring. They have to come out and deny it is even a distant thought.
They have already done that, it wont stop Labor from running the lie though.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Let’s hope it scares the government into not expanding the card.
I agree with Ian. If you want to be guaranteed to lose the election then throw this into the ring. They have to come out and deny it is even a distant thought.
They have already done that, it wont stop Labor from running the lie though.
It’s not a lie that they want to do it and it’s not clear that they’ve completely abandoned the policy.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:I agree with Ian. If you want to be guaranteed to lose the election then throw this into the ring. They have to come out and deny it is even a distant thought.
They have already done that, it wont stop Labor from running the lie though.
It’s not a lie that they want to do it and it’s not clear that they’ve completely abandoned the policy.
Yes it’s a lie and saying it was their policy is another lie.
However expect Labor and their followers to run hard with the lie on social media similar to their mediscare campaign.
I wont give it any more oxygen.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:They have already done that, it wont stop Labor from running the lie though.
It’s not a lie that they want to do it and it’s not clear that they’ve completely abandoned the policy.
Yes it’s a lie and saying it was their policy is another lie.
However expect Labor and their followers to run hard with the lie on social media similar to their mediscare campaign.
I wont give it any more oxygen.
Inheritance tax.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:They have already done that, it wont stop Labor from running the lie though.
It’s not a lie that they want to do it and it’s not clear that they’ve completely abandoned the policy.
Yes it’s a lie and saying it was their policy is another lie.
However expect Labor and their followers to run hard with the lie on social media similar to their mediscare campaign.
I wont give it any more oxygen.
Yes ‘cos it not liked the Coalition has ever engaged in scare campaigns.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s not a lie that they want to do it and it’s not clear that they’ve completely abandoned the policy.
Yes it’s a lie and saying it was their policy is another lie.
However expect Labor and their followers to run hard with the lie on social media similar to their mediscare campaign.
I wont give it any more oxygen.
Inheritance tax.
That’ll ruin your weekend for sure.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Except it is a real thing. The Libs keep on putting its expansion back on the table. Ruston said it was a conversation we had to have.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Let’s hope it scares the government into not expanding the card.
I agree with Ian. If you want to be guaranteed to lose the election then throw this into the ring. They have to come out and deny it is even a distant thought.
They have already done that, it wont stop Labor from running the lie though.
They havent done that.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Except it is a real thing. The Libs keep on putting its expansion back on the table. Ruston said it was a conversation we had to have.
Where does the IPA stand on the issue? If it’s on their agenda, it’s always potentially on the LNP agenda.
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Except it is a real thing. The Libs keep on putting its expansion back on the table. Ruston said it was a conversation we had to have.
IT is now being sold as a money management system by Ruston. It improves people’s quality of living she says.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s Labor’s scare campaign for the coming election.
Except it is a real thing. The Libs keep on putting its expansion back on the table. Ruston said it was a conversation we had to have.
Where does the IPA stand on the issue? If it’s on their agenda, it’s always potentially on the LNP agenda.
If they had their way they’d eliminate welfare payments in general to force the lazy dole-bludgers to get a job.
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
ChrispenEvan said:
the old cashless card for pensioners raises its head again
I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
and yet here we are
Be fair.
If a politician makes a commitment in return for an anonymous donation, they have to follow through with that commitment.
It’s only right and proper.
so what we’re saying is, when corruption is part of the Corruption Coalition, and it really is, actually we can all just dismiss that as part of some Labor scare campaign and carry on getting reelected to continue the grift
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:I don’t know why they’re even discussing it. Has to be the ultimate vote loser.
and yet here we are
Be fair.
If a politician makes a commitment in return for an anonymous donation, they have to follow through with that commitment.
It’s only right and proper.
Righty oh. I’ll pay that.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:and yet here we are
Be fair.
If a politician makes a commitment in return for an anonymous donation, they have to follow through with that commitment.
It’s only right and proper.
Righty oh. I’ll pay that.
Even if you did give cash in a paper bag, you still have no guarantee.
dv said:
so it started falling before the price and started rising before it finished, then funding it actually slowed the rate of increase
Let It Not Be Said That The Corrupt Media Bandwagon Never Let Down Their Bias In Support Of More Corruption Coalition
https://www.afr.com/politics/eight-of-the-pm-s-most-powerful-quotes-20210910-p58qgj
SCIENCE said:
Let It Not Be Said That The Corrupt Media Bandwagon Never Let Down Their Bias In Support Of More Corruption Coalitionhttps://www.afr.com/politics/eight-of-the-pm-s-most-powerful-quotes-20210910-p58qgj
:-)
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Let It Not Be Said That The Corrupt Media Bandwagon Never Let Down Their Bias In Support Of More Corruption Coalitionhttps://www.afr.com/politics/eight-of-the-pm-s-most-powerful-quotes-20210910-p58qgj
:-)
Paywall
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Let It Not Be Said That The Corrupt Media Bandwagon Never Let Down Their Bias In Support Of More Corruption Coalitionhttps://www.afr.com/politics/eight-of-the-pm-s-most-powerful-quotes-20210910-p58qgj
:-)
Paywall
yep, i look at it via page source. a hassle but you get to read it.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said::-)
Paywall
yep, i look at it via page source. a hassle but you get to read it.
Yeah nah.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Paywall
yep, i look at it via page source. a hassle but you get to read it.
Yeah nah.
nothing you’ven’t already heard before
History is filled with examples of exceptional leaders. Only some were exceptional orators. Scott Morrison, without question, deserves to join their ranks.
There is something uniquely powerful about the spoken word. History is filled with examples of exceptional leaders; only some were exceptional orators. Scott Morrison, without question, deserves to join their ranks.
In the midst of a crisis, a commanding speech can unite a nation. In his rousing “We shall fight on the beaches” speech (1940), Churchill evoked the struggle of war and the never-say-die spirit of the British people. In his “The Croods” speech (2021), Morrison evoked the ordeals of a fictional prehistoric family from a 2013 DreamWorks animated adventure comedy. At once stirring and haunting, Morrison’s speech was a galvanising force for the 3 per cent of the population who had heard of the movie.
This is Morrison’s Gettysburg address. In just 10 words (five if you discount the ones repeated) he captures the emotion of a nervous nation and describes the pathway to a better future. Like so many great quotes, it is what is not said (in this case that the government forgot to buy enough vaccines and thus entirely botched the rollout) that is most powerful of all.
Gandhi said: “Be the change you want to see in the world”; Kennedy: “Ask not what your country can do for you”; Morrison: “I don’t hold a hose, mate”. Great leaders are never inwardly focused.
They inspire others to reach their full potential by empowering them with responsibility. Never one to take on a job that someone else could do, Morrison demonstrates with this quote the trust he places in others.
Often, the power of a great quote is in its ambiguity. It urges the listener to probe further; to think more deeply; to ask the big questions. Like: “How can I have a go if I haven’t got one yet?“, “Can I get more than one go if I live in a marginal Liberal electorate?” and “Are goes tax-exempt, or is that only if they’re delivered as a franking credit?”
“Yes we can!“, “It’s time!“, “It’s morning again in America!” Throughout history, the most famous political slogans have been infused with optimism and a sense of positive urgency. Not so this one. In flipping accepted rhetorical conventions on their head, Morrison shows himself to be an orator of rare skill. Here, he defines the vaccination rollout not by what it is, but by what it is not. Inspiring us not to action, but inaction. Truly a master at work.
Throughout the ages, great speakers have won over their audiences by reminding them that they haven’t had them murdered. Evocative, cadenced, poignant, this quote shows Morrison reaching new oratory heights. If we’re being finicky, he could have dropped the word “even” to create the perfect iambic rhythm. But even Shakespeare bent the rules from time to time.
It’s not often that Australian prime ministers are mentioned in the same breath as the great Greek philosophers. But in this celebrated Morrison quote, the parallels with Socrates are undeniable. Socrates famously answered one question with another question. Morrison famously doesn’t answer questions at all.
It’s the simplicity of the language, the domesticity of the setting, that’s so powerful. Is Jenny talking about which school to send the kids to? Is she explaining how to disconnect the PS5 from the TV so Scott can watch the news? No! She’s talking about sexual assault! It’s disarming, it’s surprising, it’s actually quite alarming. But that’s the power of great rhetoric.
Next week: Our blank-page special of Anthony Albanese’s best-known quotes.
James Schloeffel is the founder of The Shovel, a satirical news site.
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:ChrispenEvan said:
yep, i look at it via page source. a hassle but you get to read it.
Yeah nah.
nothing you’ven’t already heard before
Eight of the PM’s most ‘powerful’ quotes
History is filled with examples of exceptional leaders. Only some were exceptional orators. Scott Morrison, without question, deserves to join their ranks.
There is something uniquely powerful about the spoken word. History is filled with examples of exceptional leaders; only some were exceptional orators. Scott Morrison, without question, deserves to join their ranks.
1. “It’s like that movie The Croods”
In the midst of a crisis, a commanding speech can unite a nation. In his rousing “We shall fight on the beaches” speech (1940), Churchill evoked the struggle of war and the never-say-die spirit of the British people. In his “The Croods” speech (2021), Morrison evoked the ordeals of a fictional prehistoric family from a 2013 DreamWorks animated adventure comedy. At once stirring and haunting, Morrison’s speech was a galvanising force for the 3 per cent of the population who had heard of the movie.
2. “The sooner we get there, the sooner we get there”
This is Morrison’s Gettysburg address. In just 10 words (five if you discount the ones repeated) he captures the emotion of a nervous nation and describes the pathway to a better future. Like so many great quotes, it is what is not said (in this case that the government forgot to buy enough vaccines and thus entirely botched the rollout) that is most powerful of all.
3. “I don’t hold a hose, mate”
Gandhi said: “Be the change you want to see in the world”; Kennedy: “Ask not what your country can do for you”; Morrison: “I don’t hold a hose, mate”. Great leaders are never inwardly focused.
They inspire others to reach their full potential by empowering them with responsibility. Never one to take on a job that someone else could do, Morrison demonstrates with this quote the trust he places in others.
4. “If you have a go, you get a go”
Often, the power of a great quote is in its ambiguity. It urges the listener to probe further; to think more deeply; to ask the big questions. Like: “How can I have a go if I haven’t got one yet?“, “Can I get more than one go if I live in a marginal Liberal electorate?” and “Are goes tax-exempt, or is that only if they’re delivered as a franking credit?”
5. “It’s not a race”
“Yes we can!“, “It’s time!“, “It’s morning again in America!” Throughout history, the most famous political slogans have been infused with optimism and a sense of positive urgency. Not so this one. In flipping accepted rhetorical conventions on their head, Morrison shows himself to be an orator of rare skill. Here, he defines the vaccination rollout not by what it is, but by what it is not. Inspiring us not to action, but inaction. Truly a master at work.
6. “Not far from here, such marches, even now are being met with bullets”
Throughout the ages, great speakers have won over their audiences by reminding them that they haven’t had them murdered. Evocative, cadenced, poignant, this quote shows Morrison reaching new oratory heights. If we’re being finicky, he could have dropped the word “even” to create the perfect iambic rhythm. But even Shakespeare bent the rules from time to time.
7. “I don’t accept the premise of your question”
It’s not often that Australian prime ministers are mentioned in the same breath as the great Greek philosophers. But in this celebrated Morrison quote, the parallels with Socrates are undeniable. Socrates famously answered one question with another question. Morrison famously doesn’t answer questions at all.
8. “Jenny has a way of clarifying things”
It’s the simplicity of the language, the domesticity of the setting, that’s so powerful. Is Jenny talking about which school to send the kids to? Is she explaining how to disconnect the PS5 from the TV so Scott can watch the news? No! She’s talking about sexual assault! It’s disarming, it’s surprising, it’s actually quite alarming. But that’s the power of great rhetoric.
Next week: Our blank-page special of Anthony Albanese’s best-known quotes.
James Schloeffel is the founder of The Shovel, a satirical news site.
:)
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
Ian said:
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
Mesmerising.
Ian said:
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
Looks like he’s made of plasticine.
I was watching youtubes and a clive palmer ad came on with lots of takes of Scott Morrison saying that vaxes were voluntary and were going to be so.
The vibe has changed of late. Margaret is locked down and the rest of NSW is running about getting new shoes and drinking beer.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
Looks like he’s made of plasticine.
Someone’s bound to PhotoShop that to look like he’s pulling the strings to control some politician made to look like a puppet.
sibeen said:
Ian said:
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
Mesmerising.
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
Looks like he’s made of plasticine.
Someone’s bound to PhotoShop that to look like he’s pulling the strings to control some politician made to look like a puppet.
Aye.
sarahs mum said:
I was watching youtubes and a clive palmer ad came on with lots of takes of Scott Morrison saying that vaxes were voluntary and were going to be so.The vibe has changed of late. Margaret is locked down and the rest of NSW is running about getting new shoes and drinking beer.
Margaret ought to be locked down indefinitely, for her own good.
Ian said:
Twiggy Gestures Hypnotically
Morrison, you can do it
:)
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
I was watching youtubes and a clive palmer ad came on with lots of takes of Scott Morrison saying that vaxes were voluntary and were going to be so.The vibe has changed of late. Margaret is locked down and the rest of NSW is running about getting new shoes and drinking beer.
Margaret ought to be locked down indefinitely, for her own good.
Where does this strange woman live?
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
I was watching youtubes and a clive palmer ad came on with lots of takes of Scott Morrison saying that vaxes were voluntary and were going to be so.The vibe has changed of late. Margaret is locked down and the rest of NSW is running about getting new shoes and drinking beer.
Margaret ought to be locked down indefinitely, for her own good.
Where does this strange woman live?
She was Tasmanian but is now Nimbin/Kyogle way.
https://www.pbs.gov.au/pbs/home
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.pbs.gov.au/pbs/home
The $40B wasted
Really?
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.pbs.gov.au/pbs/home
The $40B wasted
Really?
yep. you know, companies getting it that didn’t need it.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Margaret ought to be locked down indefinitely, for her own good.
Where does this strange woman live?
She was Tasmanian but is now Nimbin/Kyogle way.
One of Woodie’s neighbours…
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.pbs.gov.au/pbs/home
The $40B wasted
Really?
yep. you know, companies getting it that didn’t need it.
The whole $40B was wasted then. Damn.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:The $40B wasted
Really?
yep. you know, companies getting it that didn’t need it.
The whole $40B was wasted then. Damn.
40B out of 130B i believe.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The $40B wasted
Really?
yep. you know, companies getting it that didn’t need it.
Seriously though it is a good investment, money should go to these cashed up companies that have already demonstrated how they are good with turning money into more money*, it’s the best way to ensure The Economy Must Grow.
*: by virtue of for example this mechanism obviously
Scott Morrison to attend COP26 climate change conference in Glasgow, no decision on net zero
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/scott-morrison-covid-border-closure-travel-nsw-quarantine/100542882
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison to attend COP26 climate change conference in Glasgow, no decision on net zerohttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/scott-morrison-covid-border-closure-travel-nsw-quarantine/100542882
he really wants to win the next election. he is remaking himself and reselling a fast as he can.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison to attend COP26 climate change conference in Glasgow, no decision on net zerohttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/scott-morrison-covid-border-closure-travel-nsw-quarantine/100542882
he really wants to win the next election. he is remaking himself and reselling a fast as he can.
Is he reluctant to go as he’ll get made fun off comments such “Even Kazakhstan can make 0% emissions by 2050”
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison to attend COP26 climate change conference in Glasgow, no decision on net zerohttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/scott-morrison-covid-border-closure-travel-nsw-quarantine/100542882
he really wants to win the next election. he is remaking himself and reselling a fast as he can.
He’s a fraud.
Dark Orange said:
Craig Kelly seems to be begging for that final sad trip to the vet.
Bubblecar said:
Dark Orange said:
Craig Kelly seems to be begging for that final sad trip to the vet.
LOL
Bubblecar said:
Dark Orange said:
Craig Kelly seems to be begging for that final sad trip to the vet.
oo. :)
https://ideas.ted.com/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men-become-leaders-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/
The second reason is our love of charismatic individuals, particularly since the explosion of mass media in the 1960s. But this has been turbocharged by the recent digital age. We appear to want leaders who are charming and entertaining, but as most of us know, there is a big difference between an effective leader and being a stand-up comedian. In fact, the best leaders are humble rather than charismatic, to the point of being boring.
JudgeMental said:
https://ideas.ted.com/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men-become-leaders-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/The second reason is our love of charismatic individuals, particularly since the explosion of mass media in the 1960s. But this has been turbocharged by the recent digital age. We appear to want leaders who are charming and entertaining, but as most of us know, there is a big difference between an effective leader and being a stand-up comedian. In fact, the best leaders are humble rather than charismatic, to the point of being boring.
JudgeMental said:
https://ideas.ted.com/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men-become-leaders-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/The second reason is our love of charismatic individuals, particularly since the explosion of mass media in the 1960s. But this has been turbocharged by the recent digital age. We appear to want leaders who are charming and entertaining, but as most of us know, there is a big difference between an effective leader and being a stand-up comedian. In fact, the best leaders are humble rather than charismatic, to the point of being boring.
I’m probably not the one to talk to about this because I look at these leaders and I think, what’s the appeal? I can actually see why someone like John Howard got away with it. He had the ability to seem humble, caring, competent, trustworthy.
I look at DJT and Boj and they appear to be self-evident and unashamed hucksters, idiots and arseholes, to the extent that you’d think those were their strong suits.
SCIENCE said:
Do people in New York even know who Scomo is?
And are they going to Glasgow?
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
Do people in New York even know who Scomo is?
And are they going to Glasgow?
weren’t they protesting our lockdowns a little while ago?
Albo’s asking me for five bucks.
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Parliament returns on Monday and the next few weeks could be one of our last chances to scrutinise the Morrison-Joyce Government ahead of a campaign.
If we wait until the start of the election campaign to make our voice heard, it will be too late. Make no mistake, getting our message out there will be a big task, but I know we can do it together.
We need your help to fund our local campaigns and targeted advertising now, so that we’re ready as soon as Scott Morrison calls an election.
So will you donate $5 to our federal election campaign fund?
Over the past year, our nation has been through a lot. And Scott Morrison’s failure to secure enough vaccines meant that millions of us went through lockdowns while we waited for his government to catch up.
Now that many states are re-opening, the next big challenge is how we come together as a nation to celebrate the things we hold dear. We need to make sure that we end lockdowns safely. That our hospitals are staffed and resourced.
It’s been so sad to see Scott Morrison and his government playing politics with the health of Australians.
When all state and territory governments asked the federal government for greater support for their health care systems, Scott Morrison attacked the Queensland Labor Government and accused them of “shakedown politics”.
It’s typical behaviour from Scott Morrison, but it shouldn’t be typical behaviour of a Prime Minister.
Australians deserve someone who will work hard to make the lives of all Australians better – regardless of who they voted for. If elected, that’s the kind of Prime Minister I will be.
But I can’t do that without your help. Whether you can give a lot or a little, every dollar will help us get that one step closer to forming an Albanese Labor Government.
So please, if you can spare it, will you donate to help Labor win the next election?
I hope we can count on your support in the weeks ahead.
Thanks,
Anthony
Bubblecar said:
Albo’s asking me for five bucks.
…so I was going to give them $20.
But I can’t, ‘cos they don’t accept PayPal. So bad luck, Labor.
Bubblecar said:
Albo’s asking me for five bucks.
Came out without his wallet again, did he?
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Albo’s asking me for five bucks.
…so I was going to give them $20.
But I can’t, ‘cos they don’t accept PayPal. So bad luck, Labor.
I was going to donate to the L/NP, but discovered that we didn’t have any brown paper bags. So bad luck, L/NP.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Albo’s asking me for five bucks.
…so I was going to give them $20.
But I can’t, ‘cos they don’t accept PayPal. So bad luck, Labor.
Give it to the Greens then. We need a hung senate.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Albo’s asking me for five bucks.
…so I was going to give them $20.
But I can’t, ‘cos they don’t accept PayPal. So bad luck, Labor.
Give it to the Greens then. We need a hung senate.
Think I’ll just hang onto it and resist the political panhandlers, for now.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:…so I was going to give them $20.
But I can’t, ‘cos they don’t accept PayPal. So bad luck, Labor.
Give it to the Greens then. We need a hung senate.
Think I’ll just hang onto it and resist the political panhandlers, for now.
Good thinking. Still I am living in fear of the Liberals brainwashing the population again.
Witty Rejoinder said:
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
chuckle
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
chuckle
I’d make that into a car sticker.
Anne Aly
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The $5000 Escaping Violence Payment starts tomorrow.
It provides a one off $1500 payment and direct payments for bonds and other essentials for women and children escaping domestic violence.
I welcome this step towards helping people escape domestic and family violence. We can and should do more:
1. The payment needs to be immediate. Wait times for Centrelink payments are way too long.
2. They payment doesn’t make up for lost wages. We need paid DV leave.
3. More funding for shelters and front line services.
4. More emergency accomodation and access to housing for families fleeing DV.
If you or anyone you know is experiencing family and domestic violence:
Call 1800RESPECT
ALP lead 6.8%, pretty steady
dv said:
ALP lead 6.8%, pretty steady
With the addition of the Greens, that makes the ALP look pretty good. I haven’t been following that side of it much lately though, are they still a form of coalition?
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
ALP lead 6.8%, pretty steady
With the addition of the Greens, that makes the ALP look pretty good. I haven’t been following that side of it much lately though, are they still a form of coalition?
No.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
ALP lead 6.8%, pretty steady
With the addition of the Greens, that makes the ALP look pretty good. I haven’t been following that side of it much lately though, are they still a form of coalition?
I don’t think there was ever a formal coalition between them at the Feral level. An ad hoc arrangement to form a minority government with the help of a few indies is well short of a coalition.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
ALP lead 6.8%, pretty steady
With the addition of the Greens, that makes the ALP look pretty good. I haven’t been following that side of it much lately though, are they still a form of coalition?
I don’t think there was ever a formal coalition between them at the Feral level. An ad hoc arrangement to form a minority government with the help of a few indies is well short of a coalition.
Bugger. I really don’t want to put the ALP in the #1 spot on the ballot paper, I wanted to put the Greens there. The LNP will, of course, go last on the paper. I’d leave them off completely if it’s possible. I’ll have to follow what’s happening with all that closer to the election.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:With the addition of the Greens, that makes the ALP look pretty good. I haven’t been following that side of it much lately though, are they still a form of coalition?
I don’t think there was ever a formal coalition between them at the Feral level. An ad hoc arrangement to form a minority government with the help of a few indies is well short of a coalition.
Bugger. I really don’t want to put the ALP in the #1 spot on the ballot paper, I wanted to put the Greens there. The LNP will, of course, go last on the paper. I’d leave them off completely if it’s possible. I’ll have to follow what’s happening with all that closer to the election.
I am not so sure about the Greens anymore because of the nuclear subs. They will vote against the nuclear subs of course. I kinda think we need them.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:I don’t think there was ever a formal coalition between them at the Feral level. An ad hoc arrangement to form a minority government with the help of a few indies is well short of a coalition.
Bugger. I really don’t want to put the ALP in the #1 spot on the ballot paper, I wanted to put the Greens there. The LNP will, of course, go last on the paper. I’d leave them off completely if it’s possible. I’ll have to follow what’s happening with all that closer to the election.
I am not so sure about the Greens anymore because of the nuclear subs. They will vote against the nuclear subs of course. I kinda think we need them.
They’re unlikely to happen, I certainly wouldn’t bet on it.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:I don’t think there was ever a formal coalition between them at the Feral level. An ad hoc arrangement to form a minority government with the help of a few indies is well short of a coalition.
Bugger. I really don’t want to put the ALP in the #1 spot on the ballot paper, I wanted to put the Greens there. The LNP will, of course, go last on the paper. I’d leave them off completely if it’s possible. I’ll have to follow what’s happening with all that closer to the election.
I am not so sure about the Greens anymore because of the nuclear subs. They will vote against the nuclear subs of course. I kinda think we need them.
Nuclear subs are way down my list at the moment that really concern me. And I don’t want them.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:Bugger. I really don’t want to put the ALP in the #1 spot on the ballot paper, I wanted to put the Greens there. The LNP will, of course, go last on the paper. I’d leave them off completely if it’s possible. I’ll have to follow what’s happening with all that closer to the election.
I am not so sure about the Greens anymore because of the nuclear subs. They will vote against the nuclear subs of course. I kinda think we need them.
Nuclear subs are way down my list of things that really concern me. And I don’t want them.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:Bugger. I really don’t want to put the ALP in the #1 spot on the ballot paper, I wanted to put the Greens there. The LNP will, of course, go last on the paper. I’d leave them off completely if it’s possible. I’ll have to follow what’s happening with all that closer to the election.
I am not so sure about the Greens anymore because of the nuclear subs. They will vote against the nuclear subs of course. I kinda think we need them.
Nuclear subs are way down my list at the moment that really concern me. And I don’t want them.
I wouldn’t even have anywhere to put them.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:I am not so sure about the Greens anymore because of the nuclear subs. They will vote against the nuclear subs of course. I kinda think we need them.
Nuclear subs are way down my list at the moment that really concern me. And I don’t want them.
I wouldn’t even have anywhere to put them.
Hobart doesn’t want the US version in the Derwent. And it wasn’t becuse it was the US.
Mr Katter said each grant was important for the regions, but they were an example of the Coalition “looking after their own skin”.
“They want to use me as an example to show their honesty. The exact opposite is true,” he said.“They can’t seem to learn public money is not for political purposes. It’s not your money.”
not pose a threat to the Coalition government’s slim majority in Parliament.
“They don’t have me on side, but they can’t afford to have me offside,” he said.
“They’re looking after me because otherwise they’ll end up with their hide on the wall.”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/bob-katter-building-better-regions-fund-politics/100547358
roughbarked said:
Mr Katter said each grant was important for the regions, but they were an example of the Coalition “looking after their own skin”. “They want to use me as an example to show their honesty. The exact opposite is true,” he said.“They can’t seem to learn public money is not for political purposes. It’s not your money.”
not pose a threat to the Coalition government’s slim majority in Parliament.“They don’t have me on side, but they can’t afford to have me offside,” he said.
“They’re looking after me because otherwise they’ll end up with their hide on the wall.”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/bob-katter-building-better-regions-fund-politics/100547358
Sounds like Bob isn’t a big fan of pork barreling.
If the Glasgow climate change conference is the “last chance saloon” to save the planet, to get there, the Prime Minister’s Liberals will have to survive a shoot-out with his deputy — the Nationals.
The Nats are shaking down their own government, wanting billions of dollars in return for adopting a net zero carbon emission commitment by 2050.
This isn’t a quick heist and is at risk of being dragged out for days, if not weeks.
Privately, some Liberals fear their Coalition partner is going to “make us bleed” in return for signing on to net zero.
“It’s not a case of holding anyone to ransom, or anything like that,” Deputy Prime Minister and Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce told his party room on Monday.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nationals-liberals-coalition-climate-policy-joyce-morrison/100547458
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/how-well-equipped-is-australia-energy-security-climate-change/100540552
?
roughbarked said:
If the Glasgow climate change conference is the “last chance saloon” to save the planet, to get there, the Prime Minister’s Liberals will have to survive a shoot-out with his deputy — the Nationals.The Nats are shaking down their own government, wanting billions of dollars in return for adopting a net zero carbon emission commitment by 2050.
This isn’t a quick heist and is at risk of being dragged out for days, if not weeks.
Privately, some Liberals fear their Coalition partner is going to “make us bleed” in return for signing on to net zero.
“It’s not a case of holding anyone to ransom, or anything like that,” Deputy Prime Minister and Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce told his party room on Monday.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nationals-liberals-coalition-climate-policy-joyce-morrison/100547458
Barnaby is going to make Morrison pay, and pay big, for the ‘humiliation’ he ‘suffered’ when he was forced out of the Deputy PM job and, as he sees it, Morrison didn’t defend him well enough.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
If the Glasgow climate change conference is the “last chance saloon” to save the planet, to get there, the Prime Minister’s Liberals will have to survive a shoot-out with his deputy — the Nationals.The Nats are shaking down their own government, wanting billions of dollars in return for adopting a net zero carbon emission commitment by 2050.
This isn’t a quick heist and is at risk of being dragged out for days, if not weeks.
Privately, some Liberals fear their Coalition partner is going to “make us bleed” in return for signing on to net zero.
“It’s not a case of holding anyone to ransom, or anything like that,” Deputy Prime Minister and Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce told his party room on Monday.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nationals-liberals-coalition-climate-policy-joyce-morrison/100547458
Barnaby is going to make Morrison pay, and pay big, for the ‘humiliation’ he ‘suffered’ when he was forced out of the Deputy PM job and, as he sees it, Morrison didn’t defend him well enough.
I can see that angle appearing from the red mist.
Witty Rejoinder said:
LOLOL
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
LOLOL
so what’s the governor general doing when you need one
¿GG?
Laugh Out Loud
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/10/19/paul-bongiorno-nationals-climate-credibility/
A new analysis of more than 108,000 federal grants, worth more than $60 billion combined, allocated from January 2018 to June this year, was released by the by the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) on Tuesday.
It said 27 per cent of regional development grants awarded during this time were delivered to recipients with postcodes in major cities.
But it showed a trend toward fewer grants being awarded by closed non-competitive process, falling from 61 per cent, by value, in 2018-19 to 18 per cent in 2020-21.
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“a trend”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/tax-commissioner-facing-senate-investigation/100552272
no concealment here
SCIENCE said:
A new analysis of more than 108,000 federal grants, worth more than $60 billion combined, allocated from January 2018 to June this year, was released by the by the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) on Tuesday.It said 27 per cent of regional development grants awarded during this time were delivered to recipients with postcodes in major cities.
But it showed a trend toward fewer grants being awarded by closed non-competitive process, falling from 61 per cent, by value, in 2018-19 to 18 per cent in 2020-21.
—
“a trend”
Did they list the “major cities”?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
A new analysis of more than 108,000 federal grants, worth more than $60 billion combined, allocated from January 2018 to June this year, was released by the by the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) on Tuesday.It said 27 per cent of regional development grants awarded during this time were delivered to recipients with postcodes in major cities.
But it showed a trend toward fewer grants being awarded by closed non-competitive process, falling from 61 per cent, by value, in 2018-19 to 18 per cent in 2020-21.
—
“a trend”
Did they list the “major cities”?
No, they didn’t.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/auditor-general-analysis-finds-regional-grant-money-went-to-recipients-in-major-cities/ar-AAPGNsQ?ocid=uxbndlbing
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
A new analysis of more than 108,000 federal grants, worth more than $60 billion combined, allocated from January 2018 to June this year, was released by the by the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) on Tuesday.It said 27 per cent of regional development grants awarded during this time were delivered to recipients with postcodes in major cities.
But it showed a trend toward fewer grants being awarded by closed non-competitive process, falling from 61 per cent, by value, in 2018-19 to 18 per cent in 2020-21.
—
“a trend”
Did they list the “major cities”?
No, they didn’t.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/auditor-general-analysis-finds-regional-grant-money-went-to-recipients-in-major-cities/ar-AAPGNsQ?ocid=uxbndlbing
There is insufficient information for me to climb aboard the outrage bus just yet. But I am waiting at the bus stop just in case…
ATO Commissioner faces jail time over failure to comply with order
The tax commissioner is facing an investigation by the Senate privileges committee, with Labor, the Greens and the crossbench banding together in a bid to force him to reveal details about the JobKeeper wage subsidy scheme.
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South Australian independent senator Rex Patrick has been one of the most vocal in demanding greater transparency in the scheme, citing the approach of the New Zealand government in publishing a list of employers who received support under a similar program.
His motion to refer the commissioner for investigation succeeded, 25 votes to 21.
“It’s a lawful order and just as he might be given an order to carry out something in accordance with a police direction or a court direction, the same applies for the Senate,” he said.
“The privileges committee will look at the order and will make sure that the order is, in some way, complied with and can ultimately make a recommendation back to the Senate to either fine or jail the tax commissioner.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/tax-commissioner-facing-senate-investigation/100552272
dv said:
ATO Commissioner faces jail time over failure to comply with orderThe tax commissioner is facing an investigation by the Senate privileges committee, with Labor, the Greens and the crossbench banding together in a bid to force him to reveal details about the JobKeeper wage subsidy scheme.
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South Australian independent senator Rex Patrick has been one of the most vocal in demanding greater transparency in the scheme, citing the approach of the New Zealand government in publishing a list of employers who received support under a similar program.
His motion to refer the commissioner for investigation succeeded, 25 votes to 21.
“It’s a lawful order and just as he might be given an order to carry out something in accordance with a police direction or a court direction, the same applies for the Senate,” he said.
“The privileges committee will look at the order and will make sure that the order is, in some way, complied with and can ultimately make a recommendation back to the Senate to either fine or jail the tax commissioner.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/tax-commissioner-facing-senate-investigation/100552272
Good.
Be good if Max Gilles came out of retirement.
dv said:
Be good if Max Gilles came out of retirement.
I’m pretty sure the ABC told me he was.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/10/19/barnaby-joyce-whats-the-point/
Bugger.
This was predicted so the people responsible wrapped it very firmly in wads and wads of red tape. Nice work, you mung-beans.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/afghan-interpreter-worked-with-australian-troops-killed-taliban/100552634
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/20/united-australia-party-spent-12m-on-youtube-ads-in-two-months-since-craig-kelly-named-leader
JudgeMental said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/10/19/barnaby-joyce-whats-the-point/
Good points, well made.
:)
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/20/united-australia-party-spent-12m-on-youtube-ads-in-two-months-since-craig-kelly-named-leader
That pair have definitely booked themselves a place to be amongst the first against the wall, come the revolution.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/20/united-australia-party-spent-12m-on-youtube-ads-in-two-months-since-craig-kelly-named-leader
That pair have definitely booked themselves a place to be amongst the first against the wall, come the revolution.
YouTube ads seem a waste, you can forward many of them after a number of seconds or block them entirely (and get a guilt message)
Michael V said:
Bugger.This was predicted so the people responsible wrapped it very firmly in wads and wads of red tape. Nice work, you mung-beans.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/afghan-interpreter-worked-with-australian-troops-killed-taliban/100552634
Pretty poor form isn’t it (me being polite) quite disgusting behaviour from our government.
I wonder if the interpreters were coerced or lied to about being protected when they took the jobs
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/20/united-australia-party-spent-12m-on-youtube-ads-in-two-months-since-craig-kelly-named-leader
That pair have definitely booked themselves a place to be amongst the first against the wall, come the revolution.
YouTube ads seem a waste, you can forward many of them after a number of seconds or block them entirely (and get a guilt message)
So you have to pay enough attention to skip forward on them ¿
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:That pair have definitely booked themselves a place to be amongst the first against the wall, come the revolution.
YouTube ads seem a waste, you can forward many of them after a number of seconds or block them entirely (and get a guilt message)
So you have to pay enough attention to skip forward on them ¿
Perhaps
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:That pair have definitely booked themselves a place to be amongst the first against the wall, come the revolution.
YouTube ads seem a waste, you can forward many of them after a number of seconds or block them entirely (and get a guilt message)
So you have to pay enough attention to skip forward on them ¿
AdBlocker Ultimate blocks YouTube ads seamlessly.
JudgeMental said:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/10/19/barnaby-joyce-whats-the-point/
What’s his point? Mainly keeps it in his pants of late.
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-
I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
The current legislation doesn’t forbid it which the government could easily amend if they wanted to.
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
:)
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
ruston says it is a conversation we need to have. Apparently we should be looking at the card more for its money managing capabilites.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
The current legislation doesn’t forbid it which the government could easily amend if they wanted to.
So it’s Labor trying to look the hero. They could have presented this bill any time in the last decade, or even scrapped the card when they were in power themselves.
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dark Orange said:Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
The current legislation doesn’t forbid it which the government could easily amend if they wanted to.
So it’s Labor trying to look the hero. They could have presented this bill any time in the last decade, or even scrapped the card when they were in power themselves.
I think Labor is trying to look the hero too. But then Labor have been shifting this way. They did support the first trials. They did support the first extension. Then they voted yes for an extension but only if exits to the card were put in place. Which happened. But the exit is onerous and difficult and impossible in some cases. They voted no last time round.
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The current legislation doesn’t forbid it which the government could easily amend if they wanted to.
So it’s Labor trying to look the hero. They could have presented this bill any time in the last decade, or even scrapped the card when they were in power themselves.
I think Labor is trying to look the hero too. But then Labor have been shifting this way. They did support the first trials. They did support the first extension. Then they voted yes for an extension but only if exits to the card were put in place. Which happened. But the exit is onerous and difficult and impossible in some cases. They voted no last time round.
The greens have consistently voted no.
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
The Liberals are not hiding the fact they want to extend the use of the card.
And another one falls in the stoush with China.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
Michael V said:
And another one falls in the stoush with China.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
Did you read the China we don’t want your wine backfired we sold it elsewhere
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
And another one falls in the stoush with China.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
Did you read the China we don’t want your wine backfired we sold it elsewhere
Yes.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
And another one falls in the stoush with China.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
Did you read the China we don’t want your wine backfired we sold it elsewhere
Yes.
Much of its seems to be spite and punishment but in the long run it may just punish them as we find other markets.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
And another one falls in the stoush with China.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
Did you read the China we don’t want your wine backfired we sold it elsewhere
Yes.
As i’ve said earlier, the world seemed to do quite ok before Deng Xiao Ping ‘opened up’ China.
The more that China tries to bully trading partners with threats of or actual withdrawal of trade, the more that those partners are likely to re-discover how to do without China.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
And another one falls in the stoush with China.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
Did you read the China we don’t want your wine backfired we sold it elsewhere
Yes. Bubblecar bought it all. :) :)
Michael V said:
And another one falls in the stoush with China.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/acc-abattoir-banned-from-china/100553004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramphenicol
just reading^
restricted veterinary use, probably suggests the beast had an infection
any excuse
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
Perhaps politicians instead have their expense accounts and credit card monitored in the same manner.
“Sorry sir but you cannot use your credit card to hire sex workers”
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
For something like $10,000 per card, IIRC
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
Yeppers…
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
Perhaps politicians instead have their expense accounts and credit card monitored in the same manner.
“Sorry sir but you cannot use your credit card to hire sex workers”
Canberra deserves an intervention. Can you imagine how they would howl if they couldn’t have their lunch somewhere that serves alcohol?
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
For something like $10,000 per card, IIRC
I think it might be more. sm will likely clarify. She’s been following this Indue-card thing intently.
Michael V said:
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
For something like $10,000 per card, IIRC
I think it might be more. sm will likely clarify. She’s been following this Indue-card thing intently.
It started at 14k and is dropping. Around 10k at the moment sounds right. They promise the card cost will come down as more people get signed up.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Neophyte said:For something like $10,000 per card, IIRC
I think it might be more. sm will likely clarify. She’s been following this Indue-card thing intently.
It started at 14k and is dropping. Around 10k at the moment sounds right. They promise the card cost will come down as more people get signed up.
A single on Austudy doesn’t get that much more.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:Was the idea that it would stop pensioners spending the pension on penny whistles and moon pies and instead buy cat and dog food to eat
No. It would remove a large number of clients from the understaffed Centrelink and into the “care” of a private company. Essentially privatising Centrelink.
But, pensioners are old and stupid, and have no idea about how to manage their affairs. They didn’t get to be that old by learning how to look after themselves and juggle their affairs and finances and suchlike. No, No, just ask any MP whose mates run a firm that specialises in taking control of huge amounts of pension money and investing it on the short-term money market before doling it out to pensioners via a card that limits their spending to outfits that have done deals with that same firm. They’ll tell you.
Sounds very like the American managed health care model…
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Justine Elliot MP
21 hrs ·
IT’S ON. Next week, Labor will introduce a Bill to scrap the Cashless Debit Card.
This Bill, if passed, will stop Scott Morrison and his Liberal-Nationals Government’s plans to force pensioners on the cashless debit card – which would mean that 80% of your pension would be placed on the card. The government could then control where and when you spend your pension.
This Bill will also scrap the card for those on income support payments and those who have already been forced on it.
As the Chair of Labor’s Protecting Pensioners Taskforce, I am proud to be seconding this Bill on behalf of all pensioners and those already on the card on the North Coast and around Australia.
Let’s do this.
—-I suppose it has buckleys but goodonem.
Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
They probably said the same of Robodebt.
Neophyte said:
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
They probably said the same of Robodebt.
I fully expect by the time I am of pension age it no longer exists or the age you can access it is extended out so far a significant number of us have died.
Quite likely to be forced to use any and all assets before you get it and end up in a government underfunded poor quality nursing home.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:Is there any actual move to move pensioners onto the card, or is this just labor making things up before the election?
As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
No. I said they were not going to say they would change their policy.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Of course they don’t. That would depopulate a lot of the govt. side of the house, especially the front bench.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
The card is a Coalition thing. introduced by them. Continued by them. Extended by them. Ruston says it should be continued and rolled out to all pensioners. It is their football.
I don’t know the end date but it will expire in the next government. Labor says if they get in it will just come to an end/bring about its end.
Labor raising this in parliament is seeking to distance itself from the Libs and discuss the stuff the Libs do not want to discuss atm for fear of upsetting Sibeen.
.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Ha ha. Fuck off.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:As discussed here it would have to be the single dumbest idea ever put forward and a guaranteed election loss decision, so I very much doubt it is anyone’s policy position.
Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
The system is set up that the pensions are in the category of payments that have the option of the cashless welfare card. That was not a coincidence, but it would be political suicide for the LNP to alienate their voter base at this stage. They’ll keep that decision for when the time is right.
Dark Orange said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Are you in denial to what is going on? This is policy. They probably aren’t going to come out with a statement to say they are changing their policy.
That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
The system is set up that the pensions are in the category of payments that have the option of the cashless welfare card. That was not a coincidence, but it would be political suicide for the LNP to alienate their voter base at this stage. They’ll keep that decision for when the time is right.
IIRC far north QLDer old aged pensioners have been carded.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
The card is a Coalition thing. introduced by them. Continued by them. Extended by them. Ruston says it should be continued and rolled out to all pensioners. It is their football.
I don’t know the end date but it will expire in the next government. Labor says if they get in it will just come to an end/bring about its end.
Labor raising this in parliament is seeking to distance itself from the Libs and discuss the stuff the Libs do not want to discuss atm for fear of upsetting Sibeen.
.
ROFL
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sibeen said:That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
The system is set up that the pensions are in the category of payments that have the option of the cashless welfare card. That was not a coincidence, but it would be political suicide for the LNP to alienate their voter base at this stage. They’ll keep that decision for when the time is right.
IIRC far north QLDer old aged pensioners have been carded.
That might be an extension of the Basics card. at 50%.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:She means they won’t go to an election with it, but might do it anyway.
They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
But it’s possible you are wrong on either or both propositions.
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sibeen said:That makes no sense. You agree that they are not going to come out and say it’s their policy and then claim that it is their policy.
The system is set up that the pensions are in the category of payments that have the option of the cashless welfare card. That was not a coincidence, but it would be political suicide for the LNP to alienate their voter base at this stage. They’ll keep that decision for when the time is right.
IIRC far north QLDer old aged pensioners have been carded.
Not that I am aware of.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
But it’s possible you are wrong on either or both propositions.
I have asked several LNP voting pensioners if they would be happy if they were put on the cashless card and if their reactions were anything to go by, Parliament House would be stormed and torched.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
But it’s possible you are wrong on either or both propositions.
Yes, very true.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
That suggests they secretly agree the Indue card is a bad idea but are backing it anyway, presumably to make money for their mates, but wouldn’t extend it further due to electoral backlash.
I’d suggest they do actually have an ideological commitment to these things.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:The system is set up that the pensions are in the category of payments that have the option of the cashless welfare card. That was not a coincidence, but it would be political suicide for the LNP to alienate their voter base at this stage. They’ll keep that decision for when the time is right.
IIRC far north QLDer old aged pensioners have been carded.
Not that I am aware of.
I was sort of right. It was the Indue card but it is voluntary for aged pensioners.
>In the Cape York region in Queensland, the program applies to those who the Family Responsibilities Commission have referred. People on Age Pension may choose to volunteer to participate.
>In the Cape York region of Queensland, participants who are transitioning to the Cashless Debit Card, the payment split will remain the same as the split they received on Income Management. The Family Responsibilities Commission will continue to determine the payment split for participants.
https://www.dss.gov.au/families-and-children/programmes-services/welfare-conditionality/cashless-debit-card-overview
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:They haven’t denied that they intend to set up concentration camps for syphilitic dwarfs, but I bet they want to.
Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
They could lie
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
They could lie
never
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Late last year they said:
https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/6601
so why wouldn’t they extend it?
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
That suggests they secretly agree the Indue card is a bad idea but are backing it anyway, presumably to make money for their mates, but wouldn’t extend it further due to electoral backlash.
I’d suggest they do actually have an ideological commitment to these things.
Pensions would go against Liberal ideology I’d have thought some socialist/commie thing unless you are a politician
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
That suggests they secretly agree the Indue card is a bad idea but are backing it anyway, presumably to make money for their mates, but wouldn’t extend it further due to electoral backlash.
I’d suggest they do actually have an ideological commitment to these things.
Pensions would go against Liberal ideology I’d have thought some socialist/commie thing unless you are a politician
Labor really only has to argue: The Liberals are ideologically in favour of extending the card. Some say they wouldn’t be that stupid – but are you willing to take that gamble?
At first blush this appears to be savage Swiftian satire.
But then you realise it was written by Pru Goward.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/don-t-underestimate-the-underclass-20211018-p5910c
dv said:
At first blush this appears to be savage Swiftian satire.But then you realise it was written by Pru Goward.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/don-t-underestimate-the-underclass-20211018-p5910c
Paywall. Can you post it?
dv said:
At first blush this appears to be savage Swiftian satire.But then you realise it was written by Pru Goward.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/don-t-underestimate-the-underclass-20211018-p5910c
paywall.
dv said:
At first blush this appears to be savage Swiftian satire.But then you realise it was written by Pru Goward.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/don-t-underestimate-the-underclass-20211018-p5910c
I remember a time in the distant past when I thought Ms. Goward was OK.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
At first blush this appears to be savage Swiftian satire.But then you realise it was written by Pru Goward.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/don-t-underestimate-the-underclass-20211018-p5910c
Paywall. Can you post it?
Why you shouldn’t underestimate the underclass
They are damaged, lacking in trust and discipline, and highly self-interested. But the poor are still a force that Australia needs to properly harness.
Pru GowardColumnist
Oct 19, 2021 – 12.44pm
“If there is hope, it lies in the proles.” So said one of the 20th century’s greatest philosophers thinly disguised as a novelist, George Orwell, in his spookily prescient work, 1984. I believe my lifelong fascination with the underclass began when I pondered that declaration of independence against a futuristic form of government oppression, which has turned out not to be so futuristic.
As a shopkeeper’s daughter, I understood poor people; they obeyed the law, worked hard, sent their kids to the same primary schools I attended and were equally ambitious for their children. But the underclass, small as it then was, behaved differently.
An area of Collingwood about to be cleared for social housing, Melbourne, 1964. The underclass has actually increased since the 1960s. The Age Archives
Like the stoats and weasels of the Wild Wood in The Wind in the Willows, yet another English children’s book on the topic of class, they rejected the rules and lived by their own. They were to be feared and were, to use my mother’s words, not very nice. It took Orwell to turn the noble Marxist proletariat into the proles.
Since the 1950s there has been a remarkable growth in the number of proles. The welfare state is not entirely to blame, as the world of Dickens attests. Government agencies view them with alarm as huge cost centres; they are over-represented in their use of government crisis services and are always the last to give up smoking, get their shots and eat two servings of vegetables a day.
Of course, they are always seen as a deficit. Social workers, traditionally good young men and women who thought it would be nice to be kind for a living, despair of their appalling housework, neglect of their children and, notably, their sharp and unrepentant manner when told to lift their game by the patronising do-gooder.
Oh yes, and they don’t vote often, although, as I found door-knocking, it will be issues such as refugees and threats to the national flag which will get them out the door rather than the budget deficit or how much we spend on public education.
Orwell was right. The underclass can smell a fake at 50 paces, distrusts conceptual rhetoric and cannot speak a word of Newspeak.
Despite the billions of dollars governments invest in changing the lives of proles, their number increases. Their birth rates far outstrip those of professional couples and they are now a significant potential contributor to our workforce.
Except their children languish in the growing number of behavioural support classes in general high schools where they learn little and teachers itch to send them to the local TAFE to do some form of home-schooling and get them off their books.
Essential honesty
Once graduated with a basic studies completion certificate and little else, their prospects are not great. The discipline of work and often its thanklessness, especially at the unskilled end, also have little appeal.
But Orwell was right. The underclass can smell a fake at 50 paces, distrusts conceptual rhetoric and cannot speak a word of Newspeak, the language of lies made famous in Orwell’s 1984. They know what they want and see no reason why they should take notice of some man or woman in a suit when they get in their way.
They were a significant part of the anti-vax protests because they don’t like being told what to do and even though many drew their inspiration from spurious websites, they had correctly identified the freedoms the rest of us had been only too happy to give up. State leaders might have deplored the demonstrations, but they also knew they represented the tip of a sentiment the rest of society keeps hidden from view and only reveals in the privacy of the ballot box. Freedom has gathered pace.
The underclass is not always a happy place to be and bumping into the rest of the world mostly does not go well. People with chronic mental illness, cognitive disabilities and childhoods of trauma are mixed together in a sometimes brutal way, chaos and crisis never far from their door, living in a Wild Wood in their streets and public housing blocks or caravan parks.
And yet, I like them. I like them because they call us out. They are honestly self-interested, and you always know what they think. I know many of them. So many clever, actually very clever, kids and adults, although often damaged and almost entirely lacking discipline, trust in the system, trust in anyone who represents the system.
I am convinced we can do better to harness the force that the people of the underclass represent. We need to make it a focus of social policy, not a by-product of it. We have little choice, or we will continue to import our workforce and in growing numbers, as risk management parenting forces the birth-rate lower.
So long as we keep looking at the billions of dollars they cost us, we will continue to dislike them, reject them and write them off. Yet, in an age when cultural hegemony is now as strong as it was 70 years ago, only different, never have we needed them more to challenge modern meekism. The child who cried “look at the King” in The Emperor’s New Clothes was surely a member of the underclass.
Now they aren’t even trying to pretend to be honest.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/government-blocks-bid-investigate-christian-porter-fee-donation/100554798
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
At first blush this appears to be savage Swiftian satire.But then you realise it was written by Pru Goward.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/don-t-underestimate-the-underclass-20211018-p5910c
Paywall. Can you post it?
Why you shouldn’t underestimate the underclass
They are damaged, lacking in trust and discipline, and highly self-interested. But the poor are still a force that Australia needs to properly harness.Pru GowardColumnist
Oct 19, 2021 – 12.44pm“If there is hope, it lies in the proles.” So said one of the 20th century’s greatest philosophers thinly disguised as a novelist, George Orwell, in his spookily prescient work, 1984. I believe my lifelong fascination with the underclass began when I pondered that declaration of independence against a futuristic form of government oppression, which has turned out not to be so futuristic.
As a shopkeeper’s daughter, I understood poor people; they obeyed the law, worked hard, sent their kids to the same primary schools I attended and were equally ambitious for their children. But the underclass, small as it then was, behaved differently.
An area of Collingwood about to be cleared for social housing, Melbourne, 1964. The underclass has actually increased since the 1960s. The Age Archives
Like the stoats and weasels of the Wild Wood in The Wind in the Willows, yet another English children’s book on the topic of class, they rejected the rules and lived by their own. They were to be feared and were, to use my mother’s words, not very nice. It took Orwell to turn the noble Marxist proletariat into the proles.
Since the 1950s there has been a remarkable growth in the number of proles. The welfare state is not entirely to blame, as the world of Dickens attests. Government agencies view them with alarm as huge cost centres; they are over-represented in their use of government crisis services and are always the last to give up smoking, get their shots and eat two servings of vegetables a day.
Of course, they are always seen as a deficit. Social workers, traditionally good young men and women who thought it would be nice to be kind for a living, despair of their appalling housework, neglect of their children and, notably, their sharp and unrepentant manner when told to lift their game by the patronising do-gooder.
Oh yes, and they don’t vote often, although, as I found door-knocking, it will be issues such as refugees and threats to the national flag which will get them out the door rather than the budget deficit or how much we spend on public education.
Orwell was right. The underclass can smell a fake at 50 paces, distrusts conceptual rhetoric and cannot speak a word of Newspeak.
Despite the billions of dollars governments invest in changing the lives of proles, their number increases. Their birth rates far outstrip those of professional couples and they are now a significant potential contributor to our workforce.
Except their children languish in the growing number of behavioural support classes in general high schools where they learn little and teachers itch to send them to the local TAFE to do some form of home-schooling and get them off their books.
Essential honesty
Once graduated with a basic studies completion certificate and little else, their prospects are not great. The discipline of work and often its thanklessness, especially at the unskilled end, also have little appeal.But Orwell was right. The underclass can smell a fake at 50 paces, distrusts conceptual rhetoric and cannot speak a word of Newspeak, the language of lies made famous in Orwell’s 1984. They know what they want and see no reason why they should take notice of some man or woman in a suit when they get in their way.
They were a significant part of the anti-vax protests because they don’t like being told what to do and even though many drew their inspiration from spurious websites, they had correctly identified the freedoms the rest of us had been only too happy to give up. State leaders might have deplored the demonstrations, but they also knew they represented the tip of a sentiment the rest of society keeps hidden from view and only reveals in the privacy of the ballot box. Freedom has gathered pace.
The underclass is not always a happy place to be and bumping into the rest of the world mostly does not go well. People with chronic mental illness, cognitive disabilities and childhoods of trauma are mixed together in a sometimes brutal way, chaos and crisis never far from their door, living in a Wild Wood in their streets and public housing blocks or caravan parks.
And yet, I like them. I like them because they call us out. They are honestly self-interested, and you always know what they think. I know many of them. So many clever, actually very clever, kids and adults, although often damaged and almost entirely lacking discipline, trust in the system, trust in anyone who represents the system.
I am convinced we can do better to harness the force that the people of the underclass represent. We need to make it a focus of social policy, not a by-product of it. We have little choice, or we will continue to import our workforce and in growing numbers, as risk management parenting forces the birth-rate lower.
So long as we keep looking at the billions of dollars they cost us, we will continue to dislike them, reject them and write them off. Yet, in an age when cultural hegemony is now as strong as it was 70 years ago, only different, never have we needed them more to challenge modern meekism. The child who cried “look at the King” in The Emperor’s New Clothes was surely a member of the underclass.
far out.
I think the old British ideas of social classes are largely irrelevant to modern Australia.
That is not to say Australia a classless society, but it is structured very differently to the old model, as understood by both conservatives and Marxists alike.
Australian society is not vertically stratified according to class. There are a number of groups that exist in a matrix of sort of parallel ladders.
party_pants said:
I think the old British ideas of social classes are largely irrelevant to modern Australia.That is not to say Australia a classless society, but it is structured very differently to the old model, as understood by both conservatives and Marxists alike.
Australian society is not vertically stratified according to class. There are a number of groups that exist in a matrix of sort of parallel ladders.
Doesn’t seem so very different to me.
Well, looks like Gladys is well fucked. I’ve been hearing murmers from people “in the know” about how jail time is a very real outcome for her. I personally can’t see it happening but the more this goes on, the more I wonder if they may actually be right.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/gladys-berejiklian-relationship-conflict-of-interest-icac-hears/100547024
Dark Orange said:
Well, looks like Gladys is well fucked. I’ve been hearing murmers from people “in the know” about how jail time is a very real outcome for her. I personally can’t see it happening but the more this goes on, the more I wonder if they may actually be right.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/gladys-berejiklian-relationship-conflict-of-interest-icac-hears/100547024
She looks like a nicer human when she is pretending to be someone else.
Thanks for posting that DO.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Thanks for posting that DO.
Fuck pay walls. :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
I think the old British ideas of social classes are largely irrelevant to modern Australia.That is not to say Australia a classless society, but it is structured very differently to the old model, as understood by both conservatives and Marxists alike.
Australian society is not vertically stratified according to class. There are a number of groups that exist in a matrix of sort of parallel ladders.
Doesn’t seem so very different to me.
PP’s probably right in ways, but i’d suggest the truth of it is more revealed by asking people (individuals) what class they are, what they would self identify as if you like, perhaps quietly, they may not think it too big a deal, not want it to be, make more of it than should be
maybe even more revealing might be the question of what class a person wouldn’t want to be, and of that what an individual avoids being, which is the tricky but likely most truth-revealing of the existence of class, if you can get straight answers
soft class stratification doesn’t dissolve it out of existence
some of class ideas (identity that way, from) could be framed in terms of ambition I guess, not something I have a lot of so can’t claim any expertise, other than to say ambitiousness (the whatever objectives) should be diverse to contradict stereotypes of ambition, but I doubt that is a flourishing dimension of liberal culture, in fact I doubt there will be much cultures plural in the future, the dystolerance grows by the day
some of class these days might be found in the extent people identify with global movements, the force of global culture, which frankly is bigger than I could begin to have a useful concept of really
all eyes on the planet, the big picture, the globe, I don’t like it much, seems like no retreat, just endless expansion, more humans, everything is more likely to converge, subject to human ideas, human ways
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
I think the old British ideas of social classes are largely irrelevant to modern Australia.That is not to say Australia a classless society, but it is structured very differently to the old model, as understood by both conservatives and Marxists alike.
Australian society is not vertically stratified according to class. There are a number of groups that exist in a matrix of sort of parallel ladders.
Doesn’t seem so very different to me.
Two ronnies + Stephen Fry with an updated view on the British Class System, from 2000
Two Ronnies in 2000
Hadn’t seen that before.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
I think the old British ideas of social classes are largely irrelevant to modern Australia.That is not to say Australia a classless society, but it is structured very differently to the old model, as understood by both conservatives and Marxists alike.
Australian society is not vertically stratified according to class. There are a number of groups that exist in a matrix of sort of parallel ladders.
Doesn’t seem so very different to me.
Two ronnies + Stephen Fry with an updated view on the British Class System, from 2000
Two Ronnies in 2000Hadn’t seen that before.
watched that, cheers, quite funny
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Because I believe that if they extended it to the age pension they’d be wiped out at the following election. They are not that stupid.
They could lie
never
ever
dv said:
but it is true!!!
dv said:
It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
So is a plastic garbage bag.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
So is a plastic garbage bag.
and that is a non sequitur.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
And yet he’s still a magnitude smarter than anyone in the LNP.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
Yeah, but how to achieve that storage is the rub. There is no good option at the moment.
we mean for all the throwaway lines about storage, it’s not like fossil fuels work without the sun shining either
sibeen said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
Yeah, but how to achieve that storage is the rub. There is no good option at the moment.
store energy as combustible hydrocarbon and molecular dioxygen
sibeen said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s a piss poor analogy but Mike Carlton is not the sharpest tool in the box.
it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
Yeah, but how to achieve that storage is the rub. There is no good option at the moment.
we have the 1000 dams plan.
Boris said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
Yeah, but how to achieve that storage is the rub. There is no good option at the moment.
we have the 1000 dams plan.
Beetroot holding his brain up for everyone to see.
Note the look when he took it out.
Boris said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:it is actually a good analogy. both are about storage.
Yeah, but how to achieve that storage is the rub. There is no good option at the moment.
we have the 1000 dams plan.
Yes, I think I pointed that out and also how well I suspect it would pan out :)
so you all agree that combustible hydrocarbons are a bad way to store energy derived from sunlight
SCIENCE said:
so you all agree that combustible hydrocarbons are a bad way to store energy derived from sunlight
No. Nature did that all by itself. The bad idea is digging them up and burning them to obtain what energy is left over, which is quite wasteful and downright polluting according to nature’s methodology.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
so you all agree that combustible hydrocarbons are a bad way to store energy derived from sunlight
No. Nature did that all by itself. The bad idea is digging them up and burning them to obtain what energy is left over, which is quite wasteful and downright polluting according to nature’s methodology.
so if we were to do it using modern technology, it would be ideal are we saying
sarahs mum said:
!!!
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
!!!
The government is going to extraordinary lengths to protect CP.
They obviously don’t want that particular dog’s mess turned over, for fear of exposing worse underneath.
Things must be more rotten than we can even imagine.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
!!!
The government is going to extraordinary lengths to protect CP.
They obviously don’t want that particular dog’s mess turned over, for fear of exposing worse underneath.
Things must be more rotten than we can even imagine.
It would appear that the above is no mere hytpothesis.
It looks as if the statement clear as mud, probably sticks.captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
!!!
The government is going to extraordinary lengths to protect CP.
They obviously don’t want that particular dog’s mess turned over, for fear of exposing worse underneath.
Things must be more rotten than we can even imagine.
+1
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
!!!
The government is going to extraordinary lengths to protect CP.
They obviously don’t want that particular dog’s mess turned over, for fear of exposing worse underneath.
Things must be more rotten than we can even imagine.
Yes. Also:
One wonders whether money was siphoned off some government fund, and we all have paid for CP.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:!!!
The government is going to extraordinary lengths to protect CP.
They obviously don’t want that particular dog’s mess turned over, for fear of exposing worse underneath.
Things must be more rotten than we can even imagine.
Yes. Also:
One wonders whether money was siphoned off some government fund, and we all have paid for CP.
To be sure to be sure, you might have the pot’o‘gold there, begorrah.
100%
SCIENCE said:
100%
of what?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
100%
of what?
of Corruption is corruption
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
100%
of what?
of Corruption is corruption
Australia was always and has ever endured, a corrupt government.
dv said:
Yay.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Yay.
No stopping him now.
NSW Police: Utterly Compromised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO1lxfzQA4
dv said:
wait so they’re trying to escape a backfire
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Yay.
No stopping him now.
NSW Police: Utterly Compromised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO1lxfzQA4
a 90k pay rise is good if you can get one.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Yay.
No stopping him now.
NSW Police: Utterly Compromised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO1lxfzQA4
Like a dog with a bone.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Yay.
No stopping him now.
NSW Police: Utterly Compromised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO1lxfzQA4
Like a dog with a bone.
119119 views
who knows it might go somewhere
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:sarahs mum said:
No stopping him now.
NSW Police: Utterly Compromised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO1lxfzQA4
Like a dog with a bone.
119119 views
who knows it might go somewhere
Look, no more in maw.
moor
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:sarahs mum said:
No stopping him now.
NSW Police: Utterly Compromised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO1lxfzQA4
Like a dog with a bone.
119119 views
who knows it might go somewhere
He’s got hundred of thou raised to fight barilaro and he has only used a smattering. He can afford to go for it.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
Like a dog with a bone.
119119 views
who knows it might go somewhere
He’s got hundred of thou raised to fight barilaro and he has only used a smattering. He can afford to go for it.
doesn’t look like just porky b he’s fighting in that clip, seems there’s a shitload of other Corruption being called out
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:SCIENCE said:
119119 views
who knows it might go somewhere
He’s got hundred of thou raised to fight barilaro and he has only used a smattering. He can afford to go for it.
doesn’t look like just porky b he’s fighting in that clip, seems there’s a shitload of other Corruption being called out
And he tries hard to be funny and be a comedian…but he is one of the better investigative journos out there. His defence is…I am a comedian. But…
House holds Trump ally Steve Bannon in criminal contempt of Congress
Contempt citation for Bannon approved by 229 votes to 202
Strategist refused to comply with Capitol attack subpoena
9 Congressional Republicans joined Democrats in the decision
dv said:
House holds Trump ally Steve Bannon in criminal contempt of CongressContempt citation for Bannon approved by 229 votes to 202
Strategist refused to comply with Capitol attack subpoena
9 Congressional Republicans joined Democrats in the decision
Good News.
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
House holds Trump ally Steve Bannon in criminal contempt of CongressContempt citation for Bannon approved by 229 votes to 202
Strategist refused to comply with Capitol attack subpoena
9 Congressional Republicans joined Democrats in the decision
Good News.
:)
Albeit the wrong nation.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
House holds Trump ally Steve Bannon in criminal contempt of Congress
Contempt citation for Bannon approved by 229 votes to 202
Strategist refused to comply with Capitol attack subpoena
9 Congressional Republicans joined Democrats in the decision
Good News.
:)
Albeit the wrong nation.
we’re basically an outlying state
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
House holds Trump ally Steve Bannon in criminal contempt of Congress
Contempt citation for Bannon approved by 229 votes to 202
Strategist refused to comply with Capitol attack subpoena
9 Congressional Republicans joined Democrats in the decision
Good News.
:)
Albeit the wrong nation.
we’re basically an outlying state
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
House holds Trump ally Steve Bannon in criminal contempt of Congress
Contempt citation for Bannon approved by 229 votes to 202
Strategist refused to comply with Capitol attack subpoena
9 Congressional Republicans joined Democrats in the decision
Good News.
:)
Albeit the wrong nation.
we’re basically an outlying state
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7479088/blind-trusts-should-promote-integrity-not-put-it-at-risk/
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Good News.
:)
Albeit the wrong nation.
we’re basically an outlying state
Well at least we have one leftwing party in the Greens, they don’t have that luxury.
dv said:
:(
Mark McGowan
BIG NEWS: WA’s biggest battery is another step closer with the appointment of a contractor to deliver the project, NHOA Australia.
The 100 megawatt battery – to be built at the decommissioned Kwinana Power Station- will have the capacity to power the equivalent of 160,000 homes for two hours.
The battery will be able to store excess rooftop solar energy during the day, when demand is low, and discharge electricity rapidly during the afternoon and evening peak.
Boris said:
Mark McGowanBIG NEWS: WA’s biggest battery is another step closer with the appointment of a contractor to deliver the project, NHOA Australia.
The 100 megawatt battery – to be built at the decommissioned Kwinana Power Station- will have the capacity to power the equivalent of 160,000 homes for two hours.
The battery will be able to store excess rooftop solar energy during the day, when demand is low, and discharge electricity rapidly during the afternoon and evening peak.
Let’s hope they install it the right way around.
Dutton wants you to pay for MP’s defamation suits!
West report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkUIbjsEAOc
Scott West. Future senate candidate for Tasmania.
2 hrs ·
You can’t pay off vet bills on the Indue card as income management doesn’t allow it.
Now pets everywhere should be worried because they could end up in animal shelters as their owners will struggle to feed and care for them because of income management.
sarahs mum said:
Scott West. Future senate candidate for Tasmania.
2 hrs ·
You can’t pay off vet bills on the Indue card as income management doesn’t allow it.
Now pets everywhere should be worried because they could end up in animal shelters as their owners will struggle to feed and care for them because of income management.
Ruff
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Scott West. Future senate candidate for Tasmania.
2 hrs ·
You can’t pay off vet bills on the Indue card as income management doesn’t allow it.
Now pets everywhere should be worried because they could end up in animal shelters as their owners will struggle to feed and care for them because of income management.
Ruff
So many nutters have a dog. So many old folk. People who are lonely. So much companionship.
sarahs mum said:
Dutton wants you to pay for MP’s defamation suits!
West reporthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkUIbjsEAOc
watched that, cheers
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
“The expectation is that the United States is a pillar, a model of stability … and here, you read and see that it’s not.”
Interesting what do people think if you thought of democracy would you think of the USA first and the best example.
we would think of North Korea and Congo-Kinshasa and that kind of thing
Of course, the Speaker, Tony Smith, had told the House that he believed there was a prima facie case to be answered over the Porter donations and had urged the House to give precedence to referring the matter to the Committee.
So it would have been hard for him to have voted against the move.
Stopping MPs casting a vote.
Democracy: Hermit Kingdom style.
1806852
probably good news
A ‘Black Parliament’? Victorian government discusses Indigenous voice
The state government is considering enshrining power for Victorian Traditional Owners in decision-making processes as part of its nation-leading treaty negotiations with First Peoples.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/scott-morrison-s-budget-report-card-could-do-a-hell-of-a-lot-better-20211021-p59251.html
https://theaimn.com/rejecting-the-cashless-welfare-card-a-good-start-for-labor-but-further-cultural-change-necessary/
This article was originally published on ALP Socialist Left Forum.
I’ll put that in so some here don’t whine about not reading it because…
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/rejecting-the-cashless-welfare-card-a-good-start-for-labor-but-further-cultural-change-necessary/This article was originally published on ALP Socialist Left Forum.
I’ll put that in so some here don’t whine about not reading it because…
Seems to be a push for a guaranteed minimum wage which will lead to more fit young people sitting in the sun on the beach smoking dope while more and more fruit is rotting on the trees.
It’s not right.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/rejecting-the-cashless-welfare-card-a-good-start-for-labor-but-further-cultural-change-necessary/This article was originally published on ALP Socialist Left Forum.
I’ll put that in so some here don’t whine about not reading it because…
Seems to be a push for a guaranteed minimum wage which will lead to more fit young people sitting in the sun on the beach smoking dope while more and more fruit is rotting on the trees.
It’s not right.
“We just don’t want to leave it for hippies to go in there and grow their drugs. I have no intentions of delegating over to Canberra, or the World Heritage, part of our state,” Mr Bjelke-Petersen said.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/rejecting-the-cashless-welfare-card-a-good-start-for-labor-but-further-cultural-change-necessary/This article was originally published on ALP Socialist Left Forum.
I’ll put that in so some here don’t whine about not reading it because…
Seems to be a push for a guaranteed minimum wage which will lead to more fit young people sitting in the sun on the beach smoking dope while more and more fruit is rotting on the trees.
It’s not right.
If they can find an employer willing to pay them the minimum wage to sit on a beach then good luck to them.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/rejecting-the-cashless-welfare-card-a-good-start-for-labor-but-further-cultural-change-necessary/This article was originally published on ALP Socialist Left Forum.
I’ll put that in so some here don’t whine about not reading it because…
Seems to be a push for a guaranteed minimum wage which will lead to more fit young people sitting in the sun on the beach smoking dope while more and more fruit is rotting on the trees.
It’s not right.
If they can find an employer willing to pay them the minimum wage to sit on a beach then good luck to them.
I found many an employer who was more than willing to pay a good daily rate for me to go bushwalking.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:Seems to be a push for a guaranteed minimum wage which will lead to more fit young people sitting in the sun on the beach smoking dope while more and more fruit is rotting on the trees.
It’s not right.
If they can find an employer willing to pay them the minimum wage to sit on a beach then good luck to them.
I found many an employer who was more than willing to pay a good daily rate for me to go bushwalking.
But you are a clever geologist.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:If they can find an employer willing to pay them the minimum wage to sit on a beach then good luck to them.
I found many an employer who was more than willing to pay a good daily rate for me to go bushwalking.
But you are a clever geologist.
:)
dv said:
Can’t work out what I’m looking at there.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Can’t work out what I’m looking at there.
I can’t read the small print
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Can’t work out what I’m looking at there.
So someone recorded a song that referenced his time working for Nandos, Nandos thanked him for the shoutout, and he pointed out he’s talking about how working for Nandos made him suicidal.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Can’t work out what I’m looking at there.
So someone recorded a song that referenced his time working for Nandos, Nandos thanked him for the shoutout, and he pointed out he’s talking about how working for Nandos made him suicidal.
I see.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Can’t work out what I’m looking at there.
So someone recorded a song that referenced his time working for Nandos, Nandos thanked him for the shoutout, and he pointed out he’s talking about how working for Nandos made him suicidal.
I see.
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:So someone recorded a song that referenced his time working for Nandos, Nandos thanked him for the shoutout, and he pointed out he’s talking about how working for Nandos made him suicidal.
I see.
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
A multinational restaurant chain, based upon spicy chicken menu otems.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:So someone recorded a song that referenced his time working for Nandos, Nandos thanked him for the shoutout, and he pointed out he’s talking about how working for Nandos made him suicidal.
I see.
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
>Nando’s is a South African multinational fast food chain that specialises in flame-grilled peri-peri style chicken.
Apparently there are some outlets on this island but I’ve never sampled their wares.
Boris said:
well yes that’s the kind of stuff we’ve been saying but they do say it much better
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:I see.
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
A multinational restaurant chain, based upon spicy chicken menu otems.
ta. I don’t think I have seen one.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
I see.
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
>Nando’s is a South African multinational fast food chain that specialises in flame-grilled peri-peri style chicken.
Apparently there are some outlets on this island but I’ve never sampled their wares.
is it clear from the posted image that working for Nandos made him suicidal
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:sarahs mum said:
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
>Nando’s is a South African multinational fast food chain that specialises in flame-grilled peri-peri style chicken.
Apparently there are some outlets on this island but I’ve never sampled their wares.
is it clear from the posted image that working for Nandos made him suicidal
I imagine working in a fast food place would be depressing for a lot of people.
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
I predicted a few days ago that they would do as they were told.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:sarahs mum said:
It is amusing I suppose. what is nandos?
>Nando’s is a South African multinational fast food chain that specialises in flame-grilled peri-peri style chicken.
Apparently there are some outlets on this island but I’ve never sampled their wares.
is it clear from the posted image that working for Nandos made him suicidal
It’s a video
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Well that’s good.
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Instead of 1990 when it was obvious that action was needed immediately.
Kingy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Instead of 1990 when it was obvious that action was needed immediately.
Well, it was the least they could do.
Ian said:
Kingy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Instead of 1990 when it was obvious that action was needed immediately.
Well, it was the least they could do.
The very very very very fuckin least.
Wonder if they’ll legislate it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Good on ‘em.
Let’s hope they give their full support to the measures that will be required to make it happen over the next 29 years, whether in government or opposition.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Well that’s good.
All show I reckon; $50 that no policies are released addressing how to do this by Scumo.
poikilotherm said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationals have given support for a net zero emissions by 2050
Well that’s good.
All show I reckon; $50 that no policies are released addressing how to do this by Scumo.
Yup. That’s 30 years away, it’s easy to give non-committal support to an idea that won’t need to be addressed for another 30 years.
Dark Orange said:
poikilotherm said:
dv said:Well that’s good.
All show I reckon; $50 that no policies are released addressing how to do this by Scumo.
Yup. That’s 30 years away, it’s easy to give non-committal support to an idea that won’t need to be addressed for another 30 years.
If we want to have any chance of reaching these targets then I suspect action may have to be taken in the near term :)
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
poikilotherm said:All show I reckon; $50 that no policies are released addressing how to do this by Scumo.
Yup. That’s 30 years away, it’s easy to give non-committal support to an idea that won’t need to be addressed for another 30 years.
If we want to have any chance of reaching these targets then I suspect action may have to be taken in the near term :)
Sure, but there is no policy for this…yet (or ever is my bet).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/telstra-digicel-pacific-telecommunications-deal-finalised/100564976
Sometimes this government does pleasantly surprise.
I worry about all the views Clive Palmer gets on youtube.
Spiny Norman said:
In the darkest chapter of German history, during a time when incited mobs threw stones into the windows of innocent shop owners and women and children were cruelly humiliated in the open; Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a young pastor, began to speak publicly against the atrocities.
After years of trying to change people’s minds, Bonhoeffer came home one evening and his own father had to tell him that two men were waiting in his room to take him away.
In prison, Bonhoeffer began to reflect on how his country of poets and thinkers had turned into a collective of cowards, crooks and criminals.
Eventually he concluded that the root of the problem was not malice, but stupidity.
In his famous letters from prison, Bonhoeffer argued that stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice, because while “one may protest against evil; it can be exposed and prevented by the use of force, against stupidity we are defenseless.
Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here.
Reasons fall on deaf ears.”
Facts that contradict a stupid person’s prejudgment simply need not be believed and when they are irrefutable, they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental.
In all this the stupid person, is self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.
For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one.
If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature.
This much is certain, stupidity is in essence not an intellectual defect but a moral one.
There are human beings who are remarkably agile intellectually yet stupid, and others who are intellectually dull yet anything but stupid.
The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or rather, they allow this to happen to them.
People who live in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals in groups.
And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem.
It becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power, be it of a political or religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity.
Almost as if this is a sociological-psychological law where the power of the one needs the stupidity of the other.
The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, such as intellect, suddenly fail.
Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence and, more or less consciously, give up an autonomous position.
The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us from the fact that he is not independent.
In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with him as a person, but with slogans, catchwords, and the like that have taken possession of him.
He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and is abused in his very being.
Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil – incapable of seeing that it is evil.
Only an act of liberation, not instruction, can overcome stupidity.
Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it.
Until then, we must abandon all attempts to convince the stupid person.
Bonhoeffer died due to his involvement in a plot against Adolf Hitler at dawn on 9 April 1945 at Flossenbürg concentration camp just two weeks before soldiers from the United States liberated the camp.
“Action springs not from thought, but from a readiness for responsibility.
The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world that it leaves to its children.”
Bonhoeffer once said.
Spiny Norman said:
Hmmm, this explains a lot about Australian politics
A lot of people think that others who don’t agree with their political point of view are stupid.
I disagree with those people.
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Hmmm, this explains a lot about Australian politics
A lot of people think that others who don’t agree with their political point of view are stupid.
I disagree with those people.
The way politics works is stupid, its a wonder anything gets done
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Hmmm, this explains a lot about Australian politics
A lot of people think that others who don’t agree with their political point of view are stupid.
I disagree with those people.
LOL
Love ya work.
:)
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?
buffy said:
maybe they didn’t want speculation by online forum contributors, plenty of people have trysts
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?
Boris said:
ah Mediscare yet again, does it work every time
buffy said:
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?
No to the latter. The cynic in me assumes that she was perhaps embarrassed to be roughing it with the member for Wagga.
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
ah Mediscare yet again, does it work every time
Yep, here are the facts.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-07/medicare-rebate-changes-and-surgery-procedure-costs/100195062
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
ah Mediscare yet again, does it work every time
:-)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/08/medicare-shake-up-how-will-the-changes-to-rebates-affect-doctors-and-patients-out-of-pocket-fees
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?No to the latter. The cynic in me assumes that she was perhaps embarrassed to be roughing it with the member for Wagga.
Conflict of interest would stay between her and the person she disclosed it to (HR person ?)
Its in writing and you sign it and should not have anything to do with that person in a professional capacity.
Its really stupid to have dealings with something they are involved in as even if nothing untoward occurred you’ve done wrong
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
ah Mediscare yet again, does it work every time
although the changes have already happened back in july.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?No to the latter. The cynic in me assumes that she was perhaps embarrassed to be roughing it with the member for Wagga.
Conflict of interest would stay between her and the person she disclosed it to (HR person ?)
Its in writing and you sign it and should not have anything to do with that person in a professional capacity.
Its really stupid to have dealings with something they are involved in as even if nothing untoward occurred you’ve done wrong
If he was the one pushing for her to give him favouritism (which is sounds like) being the premier could make it harder for her to disclose it to a third party and they arbitrate and tell him to back off as they have less clout than her
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No to the latter. The cynic in me assumes that she was perhaps embarrassed to be roughing it with the member for Wagga.
Conflict of interest would stay between her and the person she disclosed it to (HR person ?)
Its in writing and you sign it and should not have anything to do with that person in a professional capacity.
Its really stupid to have dealings with something they are involved in as even if nothing untoward occurred you’ve done wrong
If he was the one pushing for her to give him favouritism (which is sounds like) being the premier could make it harder for her to disclose it to a third party and they arbitrate and tell him to back off as they have less clout than her
There’s something exciting about having secret trysts.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:Conflict of interest would stay between her and the person she disclosed it to (HR person ?)
Its in writing and you sign it and should not have anything to do with that person in a professional capacity.
Its really stupid to have dealings with something they are involved in as even if nothing untoward occurred you’ve done wrong
If he was the one pushing for her to give him favouritism (which is sounds like) being the premier could make it harder for her to disclose it to a third party and they arbitrate and tell him to back off as they have less clout than her
There’s something exciting about having secret trysts.
Perhaps, did the person replacing her use a black light in her office
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:If he was the one pushing for her to give him favouritism (which is sounds like) being the premier could make it harder for her to disclose it to a third party and they arbitrate and tell him to back off as they have less clout than her
There’s something exciting about having secret trysts.
Perhaps, did the person replacing her use a black light in her office
Dominic Perrottet “Man it was terrifying, got security to run a black light through the office and it looked like a Jackson Pollock painting”
buffy said:
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?
Maybe they thought it would have seen to be a conflict of interest.
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?Maybe they thought it would have seen to be a conflict of interest.
Well it is. But shouldn’t you just declare it and make it open?
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:buffy said:
I have a question. It occurred to me the other day – why would Gladys have kept her “boyfriend” secret? I can’t really think of any reason to do that. Were either of them married to other people at the time or something?Maybe they thought it would have seen to be a conflict of interest.
Well it is. But shouldn’t you just declare it and make it open?
Not if it actually was a conflict of interest.
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:Maybe they thought it would have seen to be a conflict of interest.
Well it is. But shouldn’t you just declare it and make it open?
Not if it actually was a conflict of interest.
Couldn’t hide it forever though, they do come up and its not that big a deal if you declare it at the beginning.
I’ve done it twice at work as people I know came through the office, my name could have been on some of the documents they receive which means they would know I’m involved
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No to the latter. The cynic in me assumes that she was perhaps embarrassed to be roughing it with the member for Wagga.
Conflict of interest would stay between her and the person she disclosed it to (HR person ?)
Its in writing and you sign it and should not have anything to do with that person in a professional capacity.
Its really stupid to have dealings with something they are involved in as even if nothing untoward occurred you’ve done wrong
If he was the one pushing for her to give him favouritism (which is sounds like) being the premier could make it harder for her to disclose it to a third party and they arbitrate and tell him to back off as they have less clout than her
She was NSW Treasurer at the time of the “perceived conflict of interest”. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91519z8wKhM
Looks like a dummy when he was dragging him out?
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91519z8wKhMLooks like a dummy when he was dragging him out?
Meant for chat.
ah well indiscretions between supposedly consenting adults, CP, GB, whatever, what business is it of ours hey
Boris said:
what surgeries?
Dominic Perrottet in New South Wales has an approval rating of 47% (compared with Gladys Berejiklian’s high point of 75% last November). Victoria’s Daniel Andrews is sitting on 52% (down from 65% last November). Queensland’s Annastacia Palaszczuk is on 66%, South Australia’s Steven Marshall on 61% and Western Australia’s Mark McGowan on 82%.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/25/australian-voters-rethinking-immigration-in-wake-of-extended-border-closures-poll-suggests
Boris said:
Dominic Perrottet in New South Wales has an approval rating of 47% (compared with Gladys Berejiklian’s high point of 75% last November). Victoria’s Daniel Andrews is sitting on 52% (down from 65% last November). Queensland’s Annastacia Palaszczuk is on 66%, South Australia’s Steven Marshall on 61% and Western Australia’s Mark McGowan on 82%.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/25/australian-voters-rethinking-immigration-in-wake-of-extended-border-closures-poll-suggests
laughs at Parrot-it. Looks like the Vatican’s lad is not going to be enjoying much influence after all.
Bubblecar said:
Boris said:
Dominic Perrottet in New South Wales has an approval rating of 47% (compared with Gladys Berejiklian’s high point of 75% last November). Victoria’s Daniel Andrews is sitting on 52% (down from 65% last November). Queensland’s Annastacia Palaszczuk is on 66%, South Australia’s Steven Marshall on 61% and Western Australia’s Mark McGowan on 82%.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/25/australian-voters-rethinking-immigration-in-wake-of-extended-border-closures-poll-suggests
laughs at Parrot-it. Looks like the Vatican’s lad is not going to be enjoying much influence after all.
still plenty of time for NSWuhan Labor to fkitalup
sadly
So, the net zero policy seems to be, we’ll continue to do nothing and let things just play out on their own. Better to let a mining company choose to exit coal than make any policies to drive that outcome…
Boris said:
If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
furious said:
Boris said:
If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
well here you go hurry up
https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publications/australias-long-term-emissions-reduction-plan
we know Didn’t Read It™* is the done (not done) thing here but still
how you know it’s 225% marketing bullshit is when the summary is 1.5 times the size of the actual plan
*: oh all right we admit we didn’t either
In all fairness I’m willing to give the Coalition a little while to put a plan together.
furious said:
Boris said:
If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
As I doubt anyone has any real idea how we eventually get there I suspect that most governments are operating on fairies farts and moonbeams at the moment. Morrison et al have moved to the 2050 target because it is politically expedient, there’s been very little, or perhaps no engineering thought into the matter. That just happens to cover every other government on the planet as well :)
SCIENCE said:
furious said:Boris said:
If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
well here you go hurry up
https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publications/australias-long-term-emissions-reduction-plan
we know Didn’t Read It™* is the done (not done) thing here but still
how you know it’s 225% marketing bullshit is when the summary is 1.5 times the size of the actual plan
*: oh all right we admit we didn’t either
quick flick through, it really is that much bullshit and we agree, very little plan
fuck it, laters
sibeen said:
furious said:
Boris said:
If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
As I doubt anyone has any real idea how we eventually get there I suspect that most governments are operating on fairies farts and moonbeams at the moment.
I mean I think we basically know how we’re going to get there but it’s unclear exactly how fast and exactly what the balance of methodologies will be.
dv said:
sibeen said:
furious said:If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
As I doubt anyone has any real idea how we eventually get there I suspect that most governments are operating on fairies farts and moonbeams at the moment.
I mean I think we basically know how we’re going to get there but it’s unclear exactly how fast and exactly what the balance of methodologies will be.
In a dictatorship or one party state it’s probably quite easy. Tell the proles to suck it up and pay whatever the cost for energy. In a democracy it may be a tad harder to pull off. Hey, I’m an EE it’s all sunlit uplands for me :)
I suspect human ingenuity will eventually pull it off. We throw enough money, brains and sweat at a problem and we’ll come up with a solution. It’s just not going to be an instant poof and wave of a magic wand and everything will be alright. It’s why I don’t scream at the Libs for supporting gas. I think it’s an interim solution that we probably have to have.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:As I doubt anyone has any real idea how we eventually get there I suspect that most governments are operating on fairies farts and moonbeams at the moment.
I mean I think we basically know how we’re going to get there but it’s unclear exactly how fast and exactly what the balance of methodologies will be.
In a dictatorship or one party state it’s probably quite easy. Tell the proles to suck it up and pay whatever the cost for energy. In a democracy it may be a tad harder to pull off. Hey, I’m an EE it’s all sunlit uplands for me :)
I suspect human ingenuity will eventually pull it off. We throw enough money, brains and sweat at a problem and we’ll come up with a solution. It’s just not going to be an instant poof and wave of a magic wand and everything will be alright. It’s why I don’t scream at the Libs for supporting gas. I think it’s an interim solution that we probably have to have.
I mean we are talking about a 29 year time frame. In that time the economy will be basically rebuilt anyway due to technological change and obsolescence. It should be pretty painless.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I mean I think we basically know how we’re going to get there but it’s unclear exactly how fast and exactly what the balance of methodologies will be.
In a dictatorship or one party state it’s probably quite easy. Tell the proles to suck it up and pay whatever the cost for energy. In a democracy it may be a tad harder to pull off. Hey, I’m an EE it’s all sunlit uplands for me :)
I suspect human ingenuity will eventually pull it off. We throw enough money, brains and sweat at a problem and we’ll come up with a solution. It’s just not going to be an instant poof and wave of a magic wand and everything will be alright. It’s why I don’t scream at the Libs for supporting gas. I think it’s an interim solution that we probably have to have.
I mean we are talking about a 29 year time frame. In that time the economy will be basically rebuilt anyway due to technological change and obsolescence. It should be pretty painless.
Sure, 29 years, but there are people screaming for every coal plant to be shut down immediately. There’s quite a bit of support for that position. That’s where it becomes a political minefield.
Their plan is to do nothing and hope everything works out…
Boris said:
Yep, it’s brilliant. It says absolutely nothing. Not a skerrick of engineering in it.
As would Labor’s statement, as would the Green’s etc etc.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
Yep, it’s brilliant. It says absolutely nothing. Not a skerrick of engineering in it.
As would Labor’s statement, as would the Green’s etc etc.
yes, but that would our puff not theirs!
dv said:
sibeen said:
furious said:If that’s about the net zero thing, I didn’t read it but made a similar assessment within minutes of the news conference starting…
As I doubt anyone has any real idea how we eventually get there I suspect that most governments are operating on fairies farts and moonbeams at the moment.
I mean I think we basically know how we’re going to get there but it’s unclear exactly how fast and exactly what the balance of methodologies will be.
So Slomo et al can just claim that someone else in the future can fix it with future tech that hasn’t even been invented yet. It’s been 31 years since the 1990 Rio conference, and our elected officials are still taking bribes and kicking the can down the road. Todays bullshit claim is that they are going to kick the can so far down the road that they’ll die of old age before anything useful happens.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
Yep, it’s brilliant. It says absolutely nothing. Not a skerrick of engineering in it.
As would Labor’s statement, as would the Green’s etc etc.
Well you know I am more in the Turnbull camp of the government being agnostic about the technologies, and just applying a pricing mechanism to incentivise change.
Boris said:
Wow, I can’t believe that is even real.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:
Yep, it’s brilliant. It says absolutely nothing. Not a skerrick of engineering in it.
As would Labor’s statement, as would the Green’s etc etc.
Well you know I am more in the Turnbull camp of the government being agnostic about the technologies, and just applying a pricing mechanism to incentivise change.
Yes, and I hate to go on about it but the reality is that’s where the politics hits the road.
I have really no idea what percentage of my family’s income is spent on energy, but it is certainly in the low single figures. That’s not the case for a lot of people. For them a scare campaign is easily raised, Abbott is a great example. Something really fair and equitable needs to be put forward so that the lower earners in our society aren’t left holding a bucket of shit. Unfortunately a lot of what does get put forward does exactly that. Subsidies for solar panels on a house, subsidies for an expensive electric vehicle; these are not winning strategies.
Kingy said:
Boris said:
Wow, I can’t believe that is even real.
Here’s the first seven points on the Greens policies on climate change. It does go down to 23 policies (sic) but you’ll probably get the gist with these.
1. The impacts of the human-induced climate crisis pose an existential threat to ecosystems, biodiversity and human societies.
2.It is the duty of every government and organisation to take substantive action to solve the climate crisis.
3. Urgent, equitable and sustained local, national and global action is required to avoid climate catastrophe.
4. A safer climate will require a return to an atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases equivalent to 350 parts per million of CO2, or lower.
5. Australia’s climate policy must be consistent with our commitment under the Paris Agreement to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels.
6. As Australia has emitted and continues to emit a disproportionate amount of greenhouse gases, we have a greater responsibility to resettle and rehouse people and populations displaced by the climate crisis.
7. Australia needs urgently to phase out fossil fuels for export and domestic use.
Kingy said:
Boris said:
Wow, I can’t believe that is even real.
It’s THE PLAN.
Boris said:
Looks like a disaster to me. All this does is bully everyone into accepting that the people in business now stay doing business, no matter what.
Kingy said:
dv said:
sibeen said:As I doubt anyone has any real idea how we eventually get there I suspect that most governments are operating on fairies farts and moonbeams at the moment.
I mean I think we basically know how we’re going to get there but it’s unclear exactly how fast and exactly what the balance of methodologies will be.
So Slomo et al can just claim that someone else in the future can fix it with future tech that hasn’t even been invented yet. It’s been 31 years since the 1990 Rio conference, and our elected officials are still taking bribes and kicking the can down the road. Todays bullshit claim is that they are going to kick the can so far down the road that they’ll die of old age before anything useful happens.
Looks much like that, yes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/what-is-australias-plan-to-get-to-net-zero-by-2050/100569656
Plenty of space for miracles.
sibeen said:
Kingy said:
Boris said:
Wow, I can’t believe that is even real.
Here’s the first seven points on the Greens policies on climate change. It does go down to 23 policies (sic) but you’ll probably get the gist with these.
1. The impacts of the human-induced climate crisis pose an existential threat to ecosystems, biodiversity and human societies.
2.It is the duty of every government and organisation to take substantive action to solve the climate crisis.
3. Urgent, equitable and sustained local, national and global action is required to avoid climate catastrophe.
4. A safer climate will require a return to an atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases equivalent to 350 parts per million of CO2, or lower.
5. Australia’s climate policy must be consistent with our commitment under the Paris Agreement to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels.
6. As Australia has emitted and continues to emit a disproportionate amount of greenhouse gases, we have a greater responsibility to resettle and rehouse people and populations displaced by the climate crisis.
7. Australia needs urgently to phase out fossil fuels for export and domestic use.
I agree with your point that it’s lacking in real plans to how they will achieve their goals, but there is nothing there I disagree with, whereas the very first of the libs “principles” summarises in three words all that is wrong with their approach.
Kingy said:
Boris said:
Wow, I can’t believe that is even real.
Of course it is…the first two Principles are three world catchphrases. Stereotypical.
a plan to have a plan
We are to believe that 15% will come from new technologies. This from a govt that ignores many new technologies and hinders their implementation.
sarahs mum said:
We are to believe that 15% will come from new technologies. This from a govt that ignores many new technologies and hinders their implementation.
They mentioned that on the news quite sceptical of not yet invented technology
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
We are to believe that 15% will come from new technologies. This from a govt that ignores many new technologies and hinders their implementation.
They mentioned that on the news quite sceptical of not yet invented technology
But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
We are to believe that 15% will come from new technologies. This from a govt that ignores many new technologies and hinders their implementation.
They mentioned that on the news quite sceptical of not yet invented technology
But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:They mentioned that on the news quite sceptical of not yet invented technology
But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
I’d just like to point out that Australia has the highest uptake of solar production in the world.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
I’d just like to point out that Australia has the highest uptake of solar production in the world.
Sorry, should have added ‘per capita’ to the above statement.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
I’d just like to point out that Australia has the highest uptake of solar production in the world.
Are you giving the LNP credit for that?
.
With the Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Turnbull plans there was an actual fiscal mechanism for keeping abatement on track, much as the RBA uses monetary policy to keep inflation within bounds.
I’m a patient man but at some point the Morrison plan needs to spell out its coercive mechanism.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
I’d just like to point out that Australia has the highest uptake of solar production in the world.
Are you giving the LNP credit for that?
.
Not at all, as it is generally a state based decision; but to make out that they are somehow actively discouraging it is incorrect.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:I’d just like to point out that Australia has the highest uptake of solar production in the world.
Are you giving the LNP credit for that?
.
Not at all, as it is generally a state based decision; but to make out that they are somehow actively discouraging it is incorrect.
Or if they are actively discouraging it they are doing a really shit job :)
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Are you giving the LNP credit for that?
.
Not at all, as it is generally a state based decision; but to make out that they are somehow actively discouraging it is incorrect.
Or if they are actively discouraging it they are doing a really shit job :)
that is something the LNP excels at.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:They mentioned that on the news quite sceptical of not yet invented technology
But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
All solar panels and c are manufactured overseas. So are the majority of the inverters although there are a few Australian manufacturers.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
I’d just like to point out that Australia has the highest uptake of solar production in the world.
Ok then good point I’m being lazy and not checking
dv said:
With the Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Turnbull plans there was an actual fiscal mechanism for keeping abatement on track, much as the RBA uses monetary policy to keep inflation within bounds.I’m a patient man but at some point the Morrison plan needs to spell out its coercive mechanism.
My other point is that their tech not tax motto is a bit daft. The money they are investing in tech comes from taxes. Why not be more direct about it?
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:But they don’t want what is reaily available atm.
No
Do we actually make and assemble solar, wind, etc here or is it all bought ready to go and we just connect it up.
You can understand a reluctance cost wise if we don’t/can’t but the solution is to make it here not just ignore it
All solar panels and c are manufactured overseas. So are the majority of the inverters although there are a few Australian manufacturers.
It would make sense to make them here as you are always going to need more and the initial cost would be higher but then the ability exists for the future.
dv said:
dv said:
With the Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Turnbull plans there was an actual fiscal mechanism for keeping abatement on track, much as the RBA uses monetary policy to keep inflation within bounds.I’m a patient man but at some point the Morrison plan needs to spell out its coercive mechanism.
My other point is that their tech not tax motto is a bit daft. The money they are investing in tech comes from taxes. Why not be more direct about it?
Because hiding costs rather than revealing them is there whole purpose in life, regardless of the consequences.
dv said:
dv said:
With the Howard, Rudd, Gillard and Turnbull plans there was an actual fiscal mechanism for keeping abatement on track, much as the RBA uses monetary policy to keep inflation within bounds.I’m a patient man but at some point the Morrison plan needs to spell out its coercive mechanism.
My other point is that their tech not tax motto is a bit daft. The money they are investing in tech comes from taxes. Why not be more direct about it?
‘Tech not tax’ is a way of selling the true agenda. Which is, to pay, via subsidies and grants the big carbon-emitters to ‘develop the technologies’ to (maybe) achieve the targets, rather than make them pay for pumping out the carbon.
So, they continue as before, while making extra money from the subsidies/grants, and all the while can point to their ‘ongoing efforts’ to develop the miracle technologies. Win/win.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/inflation-australia-cpi-abs-september-quarter/100572046
good news now we won’t have to worry about the unemployment rate being too low
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
> desirable and achievable medium term goal.
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
Yeah, it has, at least, got the L/NP to pull their heads out of the sand and acknowledge the reality, even if they have no idea what to do about it.
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
No it’s not.
Ian said:
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
No it’s not.
Well look you know how all those dirty environmentalists are always banging on about plastic waste and how it doesn’t break down for thousands of years and it makes tonnes of landfill that lasts forever and now we have all these ideas to rely on world-saving technologies that capture carbon and store it underground for the long term then isn’t plastic mostly carbon anyway we mean it’s clear the obvious solution is to just use more plastic.
Betoota Advocate
‘Gladys: “How The Fuck Was I Supposed To Know How Much A Hillbilly Clay Target Shooting Club Costs?”
sarahs mum said:
That’s a surprisingly chucklesome effort from Albo.
sarahs mum said:
Ha!
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate‘Gladys: “How The Fuck Was I Supposed To Know How Much A Hillbilly Clay Target Shooting Club Costs?”
:)
Ian said:
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
No it’s not.
You mean it’s not a good news story?
dv said:
Ian said:
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
No it’s not.
You mean it’s not a good news story?
How long is a medium term goal, ten, twenty thousand years
Cymek said:
dv said:
Ian said:No it’s not.
You mean it’s not a good news story?
How long is a medium term goal, ten, twenty thousand years
Well let’s say 30 to 40 years
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate‘Gladys: “How The Fuck Was I Supposed To Know How Much A Hillbilly Clay Target Shooting Club Costs?”
:)
Giggle
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate‘Gladys: “How The Fuck Was I Supposed To Know How Much A Hillbilly Clay Target Shooting Club Costs?”
:)
Giggle
The genetic testing to see how inbreed you are wouldn’t be cheap
dv said:
Ian said:
dv said:
But look, this is a good news story. For the first time in 12 years there is a bipartisan consensus that Net Zero is a desirable and achievable medium term goal.
No it’s not.
You mean it’s not a good news story?
It’s not a good news story. Also not bipartisan consensus except in the broadest almost meaningless terms. It’s not even a consensus within the coalition with Batshit Barnaby calling the shots.
It does give Scummo the tiniest figleaf of a policy that he can hide behind in the dash to the next election.
As for the “achievable medium term goal”, I think we should be talking about 2030, 35…They continue to waste billions on “clean coal” in the hope that they will fool enough people. Those billions should be going to clean energy, in particular, pumped hydro, wind and solar.
https://gizmodo.com/a-multibillion-dollar-clean-coal-plant-never-worked-an-1847866199
Kingy said:
They continue to waste billions on “clean coal” in the hope that they will fool enough people. Those billions should be going to clean energy, in particular, pumped hydro, wind and solar.https://gizmodo.com/a-multibillion-dollar-clean-coal-plant-never-worked-an-1847866199
It’s hard to tell from that article whether any taxpayer money was actually used on the project. I just see it as trying out a technology, it didn’t work, so we move on to the next thing.
sibeen said:
Kingy said:
They continue to waste billions on “clean coal” in the hope that they will fool enough people. Those billions should be going to clean energy, in particular, pumped hydro, wind and solar.https://gizmodo.com/a-multibillion-dollar-clean-coal-plant-never-worked-an-1847866199
It’s hard to tell from that article whether any taxpayer money was actually used on the project. I just see it as trying out a technology, it didn’t work, so we move on to the next thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemper_Project
Boris said:
sibeen said:
Kingy said:
They continue to waste billions on “clean coal” in the hope that they will fool enough people. Those billions should be going to clean energy, in particular, pumped hydro, wind and solar.https://gizmodo.com/a-multibillion-dollar-clean-coal-plant-never-worked-an-1847866199
It’s hard to tell from that article whether any taxpayer money was actually used on the project. I just see it as trying out a technology, it didn’t work, so we move on to the next thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemper_Project
So it looks like they got some taxpayer money but had to give it back.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
sibeen said:It’s hard to tell from that article whether any taxpayer money was actually used on the project. I just see it as trying out a technology, it didn’t work, so we move on to the next thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemper_Project
So it looks like they got some taxpayer money but had to give it back.
and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Boris said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemper_Project
So it looks like they got some taxpayer money but had to give it back.
and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
sibeen said:
Boris said:
sibeen said:So it looks like they got some taxpayer money but had to give it back.
and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Because people like to politicise everything, so one side portrays fossil fuels as inherently evil, whilst the other side busies itself hiding costs so they can pretend that recognising future costs is inherently evil.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Because people like to politicise everything, so one side portrays fossil fuels as inherently evil, whilst the other side busies itself hiding costs so they can pretend that recognising future costs is inherently evil.
Agree totally.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Because people like to politicise everything, so one side portrays fossil fuels as inherently evil, whilst the other side busies itself hiding costs so they can pretend that recognising future costs is inherently evil.
Agree totally.
- I am aware that this is not the forum way.
I’m sure dv will be along to agree with us in due course.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
sibeen said:So it looks like they got some taxpayer money but had to give it back.
and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
France has been using tidal power for about 50 years.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
I don’t know but would be very surprised if there wasn’t at least a few going on.
Thank you.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
France has been using tidal power for about 50 years.
Meanwhile in the UK people are busy signing petitions on the subject:
https://www.powerofthetide.uk/
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
Scotland.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:and really not a lot in the scheme of things.
Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
In Australia, no. The only project/plan I know of was Derby WA. But the plan was blocked by local opposition because it would have meant big impacts on the local environment. I don’t know of any other place in Aus where there was an actual plan put forward for approvals.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
In Australia, no. The only project/plan I know of was Derby WA. But the plan was blocked by local opposition because it would have meant big impacts on the local environment. I don’t know of any other place in Aus where there was an actual plan put forward for approvals.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
In Australia, no. The only project/plan I know of was Derby WA. But the plan was blocked by local opposition because it would have meant big impacts on the local environment. I don’t know of any other place in Aus where there was an actual plan put forward for approvals.
I had something in the back of my mind about Derby. My father worked on the cathodic protection on the wharf there in the 1960s, so I remember being told about the huge tidal range. And then later something about power generation there.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:Yep. It was an experiment that failed. They’ve been shitloads of engineering failures in the search for cleaner energy sources. Wave power for instance has littered the oceans with broken bits of gear :) So people learn and move on. Just because one or a hundred wave power projects fail doesn’t mean that in the long run we don’t end up finding a way to do it well. Same with clean coal, if it can be made to work why would anyone be complaining about it?
Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
In Australia, no. The only project/plan I know of was Derby WA. But the plan was blocked by local opposition because it would have meant big impacts on the local environment. I don’t know of any other place in Aus where there was an actual plan put forward for approvals.
I can’t help thinking that the Rip at the entrance to Port Phillip Bay would be an ideal place to experiment with tidal power; a lot of water goes through it at a decent speed (in both directions.) I can see some technical challenges, though.
btm said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:Is anyone still playing with tidal power in the places with big tide zones?
In Australia, no. The only project/plan I know of was Derby WA. But the plan was blocked by local opposition because it would have meant big impacts on the local environment. I don’t know of any other place in Aus where there was an actual plan put forward for approvals.
I can’t help thinking that the Rip at the entrance to Port Phillip Bay would be an ideal place to experiment with tidal power; a lot of water goes through it at a decent speed (in both directions.) I can see some technical challenges, though.
Trivial technical challenges like: .. how to allow cargo ships in and out of one of Australia’s busiest ports?
party_pants said:
btm said:
party_pants said:In Australia, no. The only project/plan I know of was Derby WA. But the plan was blocked by local opposition because it would have meant big impacts on the local environment. I don’t know of any other place in Aus where there was an actual plan put forward for approvals.
I can’t help thinking that the Rip at the entrance to Port Phillip Bay would be an ideal place to experiment with tidal power; a lot of water goes through it at a decent speed (in both directions.) I can see some technical challenges, though.
Trivial technical challenges like: .. how to allow cargo ships in and out of one of Australia’s busiest ports?
Well, yes, that was one of them :) It might be possible to build something far enough underwater to still allow ships to pass, but still use the water for power. The current, even at depth, is awfully strong.
btm said:
party_pants said:
btm said:I can’t help thinking that the Rip at the entrance to Port Phillip Bay would be an ideal place to experiment with tidal power; a lot of water goes through it at a decent speed (in both directions.) I can see some technical challenges, though.
Trivial technical challenges like: .. how to allow cargo ships in and out of one of Australia’s busiest ports?
Well, yes, that was one of them :) It might be possible to build something far enough underwater to still allow ships to pass, but still use the water for power. The current, even at depth, is awfully strong.
I guess that with enough money you (we?) could build some canals and locks for shipping while leaving the rest of the space free for the tidal turbines.
HVDC connection between them and Snowy scheme for pumped hydro.,?
party_pants said:
btm said:
party_pants said:Trivial technical challenges like: .. how to allow cargo ships in and out of one of Australia’s busiest ports?
Well, yes, that was one of them :) It might be possible to build something far enough underwater to still allow ships to pass, but still use the water for power. The current, even at depth, is awfully strong.
I guess that with enough money you (we?) could build some canals and locks for shipping while leaving the rest of the space free for the tidal turbines.
HVDC connection between them and Snowy scheme for pumped hydro.,?
Nah. Not worth it for the amount of energy that would be generated is my gut feel. Just direct inject into the local grid. Also, HVDC doesn’t become economically viable until the distance is over 600 km or thereabouts, so you’d be right on the cusp.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
btm said:Well, yes, that was one of them :) It might be possible to build something far enough underwater to still allow ships to pass, but still use the water for power. The current, even at depth, is awfully strong.
I guess that with enough money you (we?) could build some canals and locks for shipping while leaving the rest of the space free for the tidal turbines.
HVDC connection between them and Snowy scheme for pumped hydro.,?
Nah. Not worth it for the amount of energy that would be generated is my gut feel. Just direct inject into the local grid. Also, HVDC doesn’t become economically viable until the distance is over 600 km or thereabouts, so you’d be right on the cusp.
10-4
https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530
Boris said:
https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530
Having read only that headline, it occurs to me that the proposition is akin to e.g. asking China to defend Taiwan against invasion. From China.
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
https://theconversation.com/accountability-is-under-threat-parliament-must-urgently-reset-the-balance-170530
Having read only that headline, it occurs to me that the proposition is akin to e.g. asking China to defend Taiwan against invasion. From China.
“Accountability is under threat”
seeing as the rest of the article then goes on to describe instances where accountability is not even present
the only reasonable conclusion is that the author is actually an enabler for the claimed threatening process
Spiny Norman said:
^
My email says…
Yesterday, following presentation of the government’s woefully inadequate climate ‘plan’ to the media, Zali Steggall, Federal Member for Warringah called on Parliament to suspend standing orders and debate her Climate Change Bill in an attempt to secure binding action before COP26.
Sadly, but not surprisingly, Government MPs did what they were told and voted NOT to debate the Climate Bill.
To view Zali’s speech and to hear the case why the debate was urgent, click here.
Scott Morrison would have us believe his “Plan to deliver net zero – The Australian way” addresses climate change, but Australia will take the weakest of commitments to COP26:
i) a non-legally binding ‘commitment’ to reach net zero by 2050 and
ii) a ZERO increase in our short-term 2030 emissions reductions (despite other major countries committing to double theirs in response to climate scientists’ recommendations.)
In short, NO substantive climate commitment at all.
Labor Shadow Minister for Climate Change, Chris Bowen MP, spoke in support of a debate on Zali’s Bill and predicted what was to come, that “the Government will use its numbers to crush debate in the House of Representatives” and accused them of preventing Parliament from doing its job.
He went on to call out the MPs for Wentworth (David Sharma MP,) North Sydney (Trent Zimmermann MP,) Goldstein (Tim Wilson MP) and Higgins (Katie Allen MP) as moderate Liberals who claim to support climate action (behaving as “lions in their electorates and mice in Canberra”) but sure enough, when it came to the vote, they voted against debating the Climate Bill.
To see how your MP voted and read the full transcript visit Hansard here (p31-35.)
With the next election on the horizon, opportunities are running out in this Parliament to debate and adopt the Bill. Consequently, all eyes will start to turn to the next federal election and the need for more pro-climate, independent MPs to be elected to deliver the Climate Bill and other much needed reforms.
Moderate Liberal MPs have shown their hand again this week. Whilst they say whatever their constituents want to hear (to try and hold onto their job) the evidence is they will never vote against the government for meaningful climate action despite their constituents’ wishes. If you live in a Coalition electorate, please connect with your local climate groups and let’s get more common-sense and accountable MPs in Canberra. We’ll post links on our website in the coming days.
A proven approach is needed more than ever as the Government has shown it has no intention to implement any meaningful policy to reduce emissions, transition away from fossil fuels and do what is necessary to limit global warming to below 2 degrees.
We need Zali to stay in Canberra to keep pushing the Climate Change Bill. To support her, go to her website for more details on how you can help.
The Climate Act Now Team
SCIENCE said:
Spiny Norman said:
^
Aus govt is not unmindful of the problem.
Rupert just hasn’t given them permission to do anything yet.
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has revealed some of the demands his party made in return for their support for a net zero by 2050 target.
Key points:Mr Joyce says he secured a fund for the regions and for agriculture to be carved out of any targetMr Joyce also said the Nationals had fought to keep a methane reduction target out of the planOver 30 countries have signed a pledge to reduce methane emissions by 30 per cent by 2030
He said his party ensured agriculture was carved out of emissions reduction targets and that they had secured more funding for the regions.
But Mr Joyce would not say how much funding the regions would receive, or when.
In his first press conference since Prime Minister Scott Morrison released a plan for Australia to become carbon neutral by 2050, Mr Joyce said his party had ensured a 30 per cent reduction in methane emissions by 2030 would not be part of the plan.
The goal is backed by more than 30 countries, including the United States and the European Union, which have signalled they will push for other countries to commit to the reduction at the climate change summit in Glasgow next week.
“It was absolutely within our document that methane was to be excluded, absolutely 100 per cent,” Mr Joyce said.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/barnaby-joyce-agriculture-regional-fund-methane-net-zero-2050/100575136
Wow
dv said:
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has revealed some of the demands his party made in return for their support for a net zero by 2050 target.Key points:Mr Joyce says he secured a fund for the regions and for agriculture to be carved out of any targetMr Joyce also said the Nationals had fought to keep a methane reduction target out of the planOver 30 countries have signed a pledge to reduce methane emissions by 30 per cent by 2030
He said his party ensured agriculture was carved out of emissions reduction targets and that they had secured more funding for the regions.
But Mr Joyce would not say how much funding the regions would receive, or when.
In his first press conference since Prime Minister Scott Morrison released a plan for Australia to become carbon neutral by 2050, Mr Joyce said his party had ensured a 30 per cent reduction in methane emissions by 2030 would not be part of the plan.
The goal is backed by more than 30 countries, including the United States and the European Union, which have signalled they will push for other countries to commit to the reduction at the climate change summit in Glasgow next week.
“It was absolutely within our document that methane was to be excluded, absolutely 100 per cent,” Mr Joyce said.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/barnaby-joyce-agriculture-regional-fund-methane-net-zero-2050/100575136
Wow
As i said a little while back, Barnaby is making Morrison pay, and pay big, for what he sees as Morrison’s failure to support him in his troubles over the last couple of years
dv said:
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has revealed some of the demands his party made in return for their support for a net zero by 2050 target.Key points:Mr Joyce says he secured a fund for the regions and for agriculture to be carved out of any targetMr Joyce also said the Nationals had fought to keep a methane reduction target out of the planOver 30 countries have signed a pledge to reduce methane emissions by 30 per cent by 2030
He said his party ensured agriculture was carved out of emissions reduction targets and that they had secured more funding for the regions.
But Mr Joyce would not say how much funding the regions would receive, or when.
In his first press conference since Prime Minister Scott Morrison released a plan for Australia to become carbon neutral by 2050, Mr Joyce said his party had ensured a 30 per cent reduction in methane emissions by 2030 would not be part of the plan.
The goal is backed by more than 30 countries, including the United States and the European Union, which have signalled they will push for other countries to commit to the reduction at the climate change summit in Glasgow next week.
“It was absolutely within our document that methane was to be excluded, absolutely 100 per cent,” Mr Joyce said.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/barnaby-joyce-agriculture-regional-fund-methane-net-zero-2050/100575136
Wow
Keep on farming.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has revealed some of the demands his party made in return for their support for a net zero by 2050 target.Key points:Mr Joyce says he secured a fund for the regions and for agriculture to be carved out of any targetMr Joyce also said the Nationals had fought to keep a methane reduction target out of the planOver 30 countries have signed a pledge to reduce methane emissions by 30 per cent by 2030
He said his party ensured agriculture was carved out of emissions reduction targets and that they had secured more funding for the regions.
But Mr Joyce would not say how much funding the regions would receive, or when.
In his first press conference since Prime Minister Scott Morrison released a plan for Australia to become carbon neutral by 2050, Mr Joyce said his party had ensured a 30 per cent reduction in methane emissions by 2030 would not be part of the plan.
The goal is backed by more than 30 countries, including the United States and the European Union, which have signalled they will push for other countries to commit to the reduction at the climate change summit in Glasgow next week.
“It was absolutely within our document that methane was to be excluded, absolutely 100 per cent,” Mr Joyce said.
—-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/barnaby-joyce-agriculture-regional-fund-methane-net-zero-2050/100575136
Wow
As i said a little while back, Barnaby is making Morrison pay, and pay big, for what he sees as Morrison’s failure to support him in his troubles over the last couple of years
Powerbroking.
Honest Government Ad | COP26 Climate Summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIyKmqEdgR4
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | COP26 Climate Summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIyKmqEdgR4
Scotty from coal fondling.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has revealed some of the demands his party made in return for their support for a net zero by 2050 target.Key points:Mr Joyce says he secured a fund for the regions and for agriculture to be carved out of any targetMr Joyce also said the Nationals had fought to keep a methane reduction target out of the planOver 30 countries have signed a pledge to reduce methane emissions by 30 per cent by 2030
He said his party ensured agriculture was carved out of emissions reduction targets and that they had secured more funding for the regions.
But Mr Joyce would not say how much funding the regions would receive, or when.
In his first press conference since Prime Minister Scott Morrison released a plan for Australia to become carbon neutral by 2050, Mr Joyce said his party had ensured a 30 per cent reduction in methane emissions by 2030 would not be part of the plan.
The goal is backed by more than 30 countries, including the United States and the European Union, which have signalled they will push for other countries to commit to the reduction at the climate change summit in Glasgow next week.
“It was absolutely within our document that methane was to be excluded, absolutely 100 per cent,” Mr Joyce said.
—-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/barnaby-joyce-agriculture-regional-fund-methane-net-zero-2050/100575136
Wow
Keep on farming.
Yep. Business as usual. Nothing to see here. Gawn….. shove off you lot.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-voter-id-plan-labelled-racist-and-discriminatory-20211028-p593xg
Coalition voter ID plan labelled racist and discriminatory
Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants a controversial Coalition plan to require voters to show identification to be ready by the next federal election, despite Labor slamming the proposal as racist and discriminatory.
The government says it wants to prevent fraud by requiring voters to show photo ID such as a driver’s licence, passport or a bank card to cast their ballots. Voters unable to prove their identity could cast declaration votes, which would be verified after polls close.
Voters could also vouch for another person without ID.
The Prime Minister rejected criticism of the plan from election experts, the Greens and Labor, saying it was not an “earth-shattering proposal” to require voters to prove their identity.
“That’s an important protection for our democracy,” he said.
“In fact, it’s so important that countries like Canada, France, Sweden, Belgium, at least 14 states in the United States … the United Kingdom has this year introduced voter identification laws to the House of Commons.
“This is a standard practice that is in liberal democracies.”
Mr Morrison challenged Labor to explain their opposition.
“Not one vote will be lost, that is a formal vote and a real vote from a real person. Those safeguards are built into the bill.”
‘Trump-style voter suppression’
Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese told Parliament the government was trying to minimise the number of Indigenous voters. Labor believes the Coalition wants to slow down voting and dissuade voters from casting ballots, including in seats with high Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander populations such as Lingiari in the Northern Territory and Leichhardt in Queensland.
“This is ugly, divisive legislation,” he said.
“ talks about cracking down on voter fraud, something the AEC says barely exists. Something that saw zero prosecutions from the last election,” Mr Albanese said.
“Not one. This is a blatant attempt at Trump-style voter suppression. An attempt to divide us by a great divider. This is about making voting harder.
“We should be proud of our democracy, that we call the Australian ballot.
“Queues will stretch around the block and many vulnerable Australians will lose their democratic voice.”
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson claimed credit for the proposed rule change on Thursday, while crossbencher Stirling Griff indicated he was open to supporting the measure.
Tasmanian senator Jacqui Lambie, whose vote will be critical, is yet to study the proposal and settle on a position. The legislation will be considered in November and could go to a parliamentary committee.
Experts, including ABC elections analyst Antony Green, have questioned the need for ID rules. Australian Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told Parliament in March he was satisfied with protections against multiple and fraudulent voting.
He described instances of multiple voting as “vanishingly small” and said the majority of cases of people who had their name ticked off more than once were confused about the rules.
Special Minister of State Ben Morton said Labor had not read or taken any opportunity to understand the design of the measures before objecting to them in the House of Representatives.
Manager of opposition business Tony Burke unsuccessfully tried to delay the introduction of the rules until 2023.
Greens deputy leader Larissa Waters said the ID plan was not based on evidence.
“The PM is clearly taking his cues from Trump’s Republican Party, whose attempts to suppress the vote in many states have led to rancour and division.”
Tom McIlroy reports from the federal press gallery at Parliament House. Connect with Tom on Twitter. Email Tom at thomas.mcilroy@afr.com
Boris said:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-voter-id-plan-labelled-racist-and-discriminatory-20211028-p593xgCoalition voter ID plan labelled racist and discriminatory
Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants a controversial Coalition plan to require voters to show identification to be ready by the next federal election, despite Labor slamming the proposal as racist and discriminatory.
The government says it wants to prevent fraud by requiring voters to show photo ID such as a driver’s licence, passport or a bank card to cast their ballots. Voters unable to prove their identity could cast declaration votes, which would be verified after polls close.
Voters could also vouch for another person without ID.
The Prime Minister rejected criticism of the plan from election experts, the Greens and Labor, saying it was not an “earth-shattering proposal” to require voters to prove their identity.
“That’s an important protection for our democracy,” he said.
“In fact, it’s so important that countries like Canada, France, Sweden, Belgium, at least 14 states in the United States … the United Kingdom has this year introduced voter identification laws to the House of Commons.
“This is a standard practice that is in liberal democracies.”
Mr Morrison challenged Labor to explain their opposition.
“Not one vote will be lost, that is a formal vote and a real vote from a real person. Those safeguards are built into the bill.”
‘Trump-style voter suppression’
Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese told Parliament the government was trying to minimise the number of Indigenous voters. Labor believes the Coalition wants to slow down voting and dissuade voters from casting ballots, including in seats with high Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander populations such as Lingiari in the Northern Territory and Leichhardt in Queensland.“This is ugly, divisive legislation,” he said.
“ talks about cracking down on voter fraud, something the AEC says barely exists. Something that saw zero prosecutions from the last election,” Mr Albanese said.
“Not one. This is a blatant attempt at Trump-style voter suppression. An attempt to divide us by a great divider. This is about making voting harder.
“We should be proud of our democracy, that we call the Australian ballot.
“Queues will stretch around the block and many vulnerable Australians will lose their democratic voice.”
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson claimed credit for the proposed rule change on Thursday, while crossbencher Stirling Griff indicated he was open to supporting the measure.
Tasmanian senator Jacqui Lambie, whose vote will be critical, is yet to study the proposal and settle on a position. The legislation will be considered in November and could go to a parliamentary committee.
Experts, including ABC elections analyst Antony Green, have questioned the need for ID rules. Australian Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told Parliament in March he was satisfied with protections against multiple and fraudulent voting.
He described instances of multiple voting as “vanishingly small” and said the majority of cases of people who had their name ticked off more than once were confused about the rules.
Special Minister of State Ben Morton said Labor had not read or taken any opportunity to understand the design of the measures before objecting to them in the House of Representatives.
Manager of opposition business Tony Burke unsuccessfully tried to delay the introduction of the rules until 2023.
Greens deputy leader Larissa Waters said the ID plan was not based on evidence.
“The PM is clearly taking his cues from Trump’s Republican Party, whose attempts to suppress the vote in many states have led to rancour and division.”
Tom McIlroy reports from the federal press gallery at Parliament House. Connect with Tom on Twitter. Email Tom at thomas.mcilroy@afr.com
Daggy dad or dodgy dick, you be the judge.
Was reading that earlier, seems to want to fix something not broken
Can’t imagine anyone being arsed to vote more than once especially using someone else’s name.
It should get picked up anyway as your name is crossed off at two or more locations
Cymek said:
Was reading that earlier, seems to want to fix something not broken
Can’t imagine anyone being arsed to vote more than once especially using someone else’s name.
It should get picked up anyway as your name is crossed off at two or more locations
yes.
and it wont change much
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Was reading that earlier, seems to want to fix something not broken
Can’t imagine anyone being arsed to vote more than once especially using someone else’s name.
It should get picked up anyway as your name is crossed off at two or more locations
yes.
and it wont change much
People do often show ID if they have a strange surname as it helps you find them easier if your not sure how it would be spelt
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Was reading that earlier, seems to want to fix something not broken
Can’t imagine anyone being arsed to vote more than once especially using someone else’s name.
It should get picked up anyway as your name is crossed off at two or more locations
yes.
and it wont change much
People do often show ID if they have a strange surname as it helps you find them easier if your not sure how it would be spelt
It will help with difficult names.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:
Coalition voter ID plan labelled racist and discriminatory
Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants a controversial Coalition plan to require voters to show identification to be ready by the next federal election, despite Labor slamming the proposal as racist and discriminatory.
The government says it wants to prevent fraud by requiring voters to show photo ID such as a driver’s licence, passport or a bank card to cast their ballots. Voters unable to prove their identity could cast declaration votes, which would be verified after polls close.
Voters could also vouch for another person without ID.
Was reading that earlier, seems to want to fix something not broken
Can’t imagine anyone being arsed to vote more than once especially using someone else’s name.
It should get picked up anyway as your name is crossed off at two or more locations
yes.
and it wont change much
People do often show ID if they have a strange surname as it helps you find them easier if your not sure how it would be spelt
¿ so anything like how they were going to require voters in the USSA to jump through hoops to be counted at the last election that kind of thing ?
The funny thing is, when fraudulent/multiple times voting was a hot topic an election or three back, there was a radio phone-in show that covered the topic, and several people phoned in to say that , yes, they had voted multiple times and were proud of it, they didn’t want ‘that other mob’ winning those seats.
They were all L/NP voters.
What happens if you’ve got no ID? I haven’t got a driver’s licence, passport, or any other form of ID (not quite true: I’ve got an Australian pilot’s licence, but most government places don’t accept that as ID — even though the legislation specifying what constitutes valid ID requires “an Australian issued licence with signature or photograph.”) If I try to vote I’ll be refused, so I’ll be fined. Will the government pay the fine? Will they pay to get me some ID?
btm said:
What happens if you’ve got no ID? I haven’t got a driver’s licence, passport, or any other form of ID (not quite true: I’ve got an Australian pilot’s licence, but most government places don’t accept that as ID — even though the legislation specifying what constitutes valid ID requires “an Australian issued licence with signature or photograph.”) If I try to vote I’ll be refused, so I’ll be fined. Will the government pay the fine? Will they pay to get me some ID?
Medicare card should work.
btm said:
What happens if you’ve got no ID? I haven’t got a driver’s licence, passport, or any other form of ID (not quite true: I’ve got an Australian pilot’s licence, but most government places don’t accept that as ID — even though the legislation specifying what constitutes valid ID requires “an Australian issued licence with signature or photograph.”) If I try to vote I’ll be refused, so I’ll be fined. Will the government pay the fine? Will they pay to get me some ID?
If voters are unable to present ID on polling day, another enrolled voter with ID can attest to their identity, or the voter can cast a declaration vote, which requires further details such as date of birth and a signature.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/26/voter-identification-to-be-compulsory-under-morrison-government-proposal
Boris said:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-voter-id-plan-labelled-racist-and-discriminatory-20211028-p593xgCoalition voter ID plan labelled racist and discriminatory
Prime Minister Scott Morrison wants a controversial Coalition plan to require voters to show identification to be ready by the next federal election, despite Labor slamming the proposal as racist and discriminatory.
(snip)
I hope they are prepared to triple the number of staff at each polling station. People will still turn up to vote. They will just get shitty if the queue moves slowly. Yiou don’t want to get people shitty for no good reason and then hand them a ballot paper.
Boris said:
btm said:
What happens if you’ve got no ID? I haven’t got a driver’s licence, passport, or any other form of ID (not quite true: I’ve got an Australian pilot’s licence, but most government places don’t accept that as ID — even though the legislation specifying what constitutes valid ID requires “an Australian issued licence with signature or photograph.”) If I try to vote I’ll be refused, so I’ll be fined. Will the government pay the fine? Will they pay to get me some ID?
If voters are unable to present ID on polling day, another enrolled voter with ID can attest to their identity, or the voter can cast a declaration vote, which requires further details such as date of birth and a signature.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/26/voter-identification-to-be-compulsory-under-morrison-government-proposal
Thanks Boris and Witty; this could be fun (:
https://twitter.com/D_LittleproudMP/status/1453492454800302082
The Nationals made sure Australia did not sign up to the Global Methane Pledge.
The Nats would never support any target that would threaten Australian jobs.
Boris said:
https://twitter.com/D_LittleproudMP/status/1453492454800302082The Nationals made sure Australia did not sign up to the Global Methane Pledge.
The Nats would never support any target that would threaten Australian jobs.
I’m not sure if these people do much reading but climate change is a major threat to rural jobs in Australia…
dv said:
Boris said:
https://twitter.com/D_LittleproudMP/status/1453492454800302082The Nationals made sure Australia did not sign up to the Global Methane Pledge.
The Nats would never support any target that would threaten Australian jobs.
I’m not sure if these people do much reading but climate change is a major threat to rural jobs in Australia…
Apart from which, reducing the methane will require lots of money, and lots of money = lots of jobs.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Boris said:
https://twitter.com/D_LittleproudMP/status/1453492454800302082The Nationals made sure Australia did not sign up to the Global Methane Pledge.
The Nats would never support any target that would threaten Australian jobs.
I’m not sure if these people do much reading but climate change is a major threat to rural jobs in Australia…
Apart from which, reducing the methane will require lots of money, and lots of money = lots of jobs.
But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I’m not sure if these people do much reading but climate change is a major threat to rural jobs in Australia…
Apart from which, reducing the methane will require lots of money, and lots of money = lots of jobs.
But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
I think the urbanised / suburbanised part of Australia has stopped listening to the National Party.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I’m not sure if these people do much reading but climate change is a major threat to rural jobs in Australia…
Apart from which, reducing the methane will require lots of money, and lots of money = lots of jobs.
But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
We could re embrace grass fed cows.
or…
‘Methane-reducing feed additives and supplements inhibit methanogens in the rumen, and subsequently reduce enteric methane emissions. Methane-reducing feed additives and supplements are most effective when grain, hay or silage is added to the diet, especially in beef feedlots and dairies’
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I’m not sure if these people do much reading but climate change is a major threat to rural jobs in Australia…
Apart from which, reducing the methane will require lots of money, and lots of money = lots of jobs.
But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
No, it increases the amount of money in farmers pockets, coming from both people who need to eat, and people who need to pay taxes so governments can meet GHG targets.
Crikey
LONG READ: It’s hard not to see the Morrison government’s net zero pivot as an extraordinarily cynical bit of last-ditch face-saving. The prime minister’s big announcement, due right before his departure for climate talks in Glasgow he’d previously considered ditching, has already been welcomed by his British counterpart Boris Johnson as “heroic”.
That’s the response Morrison was hoping to get from key allies who have been far more ambitious on climate than him. Fronting up to Glasgow without at least a net zero target would’ve made Australia even more of an international laughing stock on climate. Only a no-show from Morrison could be worse.
But saving face with Johnson and US President Joe Biden is only part of it. On climate, and plenty more, the Morrison government is comfortable acting like a bumbling oaf on the world stage. What’s really driving Morrison is the looming election, and the determination to get climate policy “right” at the optimum time.
Getting policy “right” here doesn’t mean the best plan to actually reduce emissions. For the Morrison government, always light on policy, everything must be dealt with as a political problem. And on climate, the politics have shifted, at least when it comes to the largely symbolic target of net zero. Most voters support it. Most regional voters support it. Most Nationals voters support it. Big business supports it. This is why the government had to move, and the Nationals had to fall into line, even as people like Matt Canavan (in public) and Barnaby Joyce (in private, at least now) opposed a net zero target.
That move comes with a tacit acknowledgement that the next election will see a very different fight on climate from the one we had in 2019. Then, the spotlight was all on Labor, treated too often as a government-in-waiting. Forensic scrutiny was placed on the cost of their climate plan, rather than the cost of inaction under the Coalition. The perception Bill Shorten (and somehow Bob Brown) would destroy the coal industry, egged on by Morrison, helped drive massive swings against Labor in regional Queensland.
This time, fears about Labor’s agenda won’t be front and centre of the campaign. Anthony Albanese’s done everything to make sure of that, offering up a platform so small target nobody can actually see it. Notably, Labor still won’t adopt a more ambitious medium-term emissions target, hinting instead they might wait and see till after Glasgow.
Then there’s the once in a century pandemic which has dominated Morrison’s term, and which will weigh far more heavily on voters’ minds than net zero. Morrison has already started to lay the groundwork for a “freedom election,” hoping a hot-vaxxed summer of family reunions and open borders leads a relaxed and comfortable electorate to memory-hole the government’s failures on the vaccine rollout. It’s a strategy that puts NSW, where the Liberals believe they can gain seats, at the heart of their re-election plan. In Queensland, which secured the 2019 miracle, the government is already at its high point and can only lose seats.
Tack on the Coalition’s own internal wobbliness on net zero — their candidate for the Central Queensland seat of Flynn is promising to campaign against it — coupled with Morrison’s handling of the bushfire crisis, and the government have good reason to want to take the sting out of climate.
That’s what the net zero deal is really about — a quick resolution before Glasgow that smooths things over internationally, and gives voters the perception the government is acting. The desire to put daylight between Glasgow and the election means a December poll is now even more unlikely. Morrison wants voters to see the symbolic win (net zero) without thinking too hard about the fine print, or his own hypocritical about-face on things like electric vehicles (remember the War on the Weekend?).
And when he does call an election — the decision about when to do so being one of his biggest strategic advantages — expect Morrison to spin his last term as a victory over both the climate wars and the virus.
Will he get away with it? On climate, at least, an opposition haunted by the ghosts of scare campaigns past could well let him, writes Kishor Napier-Raman.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
yes.
and it wont change much
People do often show ID if they have a strange surname as it helps you find them easier if your not sure how it would be spelt
¿ so anything like how they were going to require voters in the USSA to jump through hoops to be counted at the last election that kind of thing ?
Oh look this little communist recognises that it worked for the USSA … it could work here too¡
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”
Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….
GB: You don’t need to give me that rubbish, we are giving Wagga more money than anyone else ever before.
DM: I’m looking to win things into the future, I need to set things up so its right
GB: Correct and I need you to do that
DM: Well you just need to listen to me
GB: I just got you the 170 mill and some of our members now think they need to get everything on their wish list….you can’t tell me you’ve been hard done by
DM: It’s not a case of being hard done by, it’s a case of setting the stage….
GB: Can you text Brad? Cause I’ve now got you the 170 million in five minutes you can at least get a few hundred thousand from Brad, if you keep bothering him he will fix it. You can’t have me fight…you can’t have me fixing all the problems all the time.
DM: I’ll tell you what, if you went to the budget without Wagga in it…
GB: Yeah I just fixed it ok? Ok? It’s done
GB: I’ve already got you the Wagga hospital … I just spoke to Dom (Perrottet), and I said just put the 140 in the budget. And he said no worries, he just does what I ask him to.
DM: It’s meant to be 170
GB: Whatever it is, 170 … he’s putting it in whatever it is ok.
DM: “That’s two years in a row that we have had no money.
GB: “I’ll deal with it, I’ll fix it.”
they classify it “analysis” but honestly it sounds like just a bit of gloat to be honest
SCIENCE said:
they classify it “analysis” but honestly it sounds like just a bit of gloat to be honest
“The PM’s office says the Prime Minister was pleased to speak to the French President.”
I’m sure he’s been looking forward to it for weeks.
SCIENCE said:
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….GB: You don’t need to give me that rubbish, we are giving Wagga more money than anyone else ever before.
DM: I’m looking to win things into the future, I need to set things up so its right
GB: Correct and I need you to do that
DM: Well you just need to listen to me
GB: I just got you the 170 mill and some of our members now think they need to get everything on their wish list….you can’t tell me you’ve been hard done by
DM: It’s not a case of being hard done by, it’s a case of setting the stage….GB: Can you text Brad? Cause I’ve now got you the 170 million in five minutes you can at least get a few hundred thousand from Brad, if you keep bothering him he will fix it. You can’t have me fight…you can’t have me fixing all the problems all the time.
DM: I’ll tell you what, if you went to the budget without Wagga in it…
GB: Yeah I just fixed it ok? Ok? It’s doneGB: I’ve already got you the Wagga hospital … I just spoke to Dom (Perrottet), and I said just put the 140 in the budget. And he said no worries, he just does what I ask him to.
DM: It’s meant to be 170
GB: Whatever it is, 170 … he’s putting it in whatever it is ok.DM: “That’s two years in a row that we have had no money.
GB: “I’ll deal with it, I’ll fix it.”
Oops…
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
they classify it “analysis” but honestly it sounds like just a bit of gloat to be honest
“The PM’s office says the Prime Minister was pleased to speak to the French President.”
I’m sure he’s been looking forward to it for weeks.
is it like when your principal or boss or commander or spouse invites you to a sit-down meeting
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:SCIENCE said:
they classify it “analysis” but honestly it sounds like just a bit of gloat to be honest
“The PM’s office says the Prime Minister was pleased to speak to the French President.”
I’m sure he’s been looking forward to it for weeks.
is it like when your principal or boss or commander or spouse invites you to a sit-down meeting
SCIENCE said:
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….
I haven’t been following this closely. Can someone explain why the Premier’s phone was being bugged back in 2018?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”
Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….I haven’t been following this closely. Can someone explain why the Premier’s phone was being bugged back in 2018?
ask Your ABC this is all we got from them
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:“The PM’s office says the Prime Minister was pleased to speak to the French President.”
I’m sure he’s been looking forward to it for weeks.
is it like when your principal or boss or commander or spouse invites you to a sit-down meeting
The French are having trouble with the Brits too. LE HAVRE, France, Oct 28 (Reuters) – Britain denounced France’s seizure of a British boat in French waters and warned Paris against further retaliation on Thursday, in a rapidly deteriorating row over post-Brexit fishing rights.
The French have trouble with everyone.
I remember when the French President’s wife wanted to bring her dog Fifi with them on a visit to London.
Well for once the British PM at the time, Hacker I think it was, put his foot down and said the bitch isn’t coming.
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:SCIENCE said:
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”
Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….I haven’t been following this closely. Can someone explain why the Premier’s phone was being bugged back in 2018?
ask Your ABC this is all we got from them
So sounds like Daryl was on their radar for a while.
Spiny Norman said:
Lolololol
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….I haven’t been following this closely. Can someone explain why the Premier’s phone was being bugged back in 2018?
Daryl Maguire’s – corruption investigation.
Here’s Your ABC Again, Making Sure You All Know Who The Most Progressive Parties Are, And Who Really First Introduced Carbon Pricing Of Course
What’s behind the cost increase?
How do the price rises compare to the 1970s when Australia’s economy was a casualty of foreign oil crises?
Fascinatingly, part of the story has to do with a Coalition government introducing a de facto carbon price more than four decades ago.
oh well at least now we know that pork barrelling is considered a fair excuse for clear corruption
dv said:
:)
SCIENCE said:
Here’s Your ABC Again, Making Sure You All Know Who The Most Progressive Parties Are, And Who Really First Introduced Carbon Pricing Of CourseWhat’s behind the cost increase?
How do the price rises compare to the 1970s when Australia’s economy was a casualty of foreign oil crises?
Fascinatingly, part of the story has to do with a Coalition government introducing a de facto carbon price more than four decades ago.
It’s interesting, because oil prices are much lower than they used to be
I
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Daryl Maguire tells Gladys Berejiklian he may be able to make $1.5 million off a land deal around Badgerys Creek in Western Sydney. Ms Berejiklian told him she could “believe it”. When questioned about this call, she told ICAC she did not pay too much attention to what he was saying as he was “always talking big”. “I never thought he was doing anything untoward.” She said she can’t remember what she thought about the $1.5 million Mr Maguire mentioned. “I would have disregarded, dismissed it or not thought about it if I was very busy.”Gladys Berejiklian says she can’t remember if she asked the then treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, to change the budget papers after Daryl Maguire complained in the below phone calls. She says it would have been “impossible” to have the budget papers immediately changed. She said neither her or Mr Perrottet would have done anything that wasn’t “appropriate”.
DM: I can’t believe they left Wagga hospital off the list
GB: I’ll just fix that one, I cant fix everything else but I’ve got that one on for you
DM: Whats wrong with them? The problem is…. Anyway, they’ve got to give something for Tumut or at least some excuse for Tumut because we are going into an election without any funding for the hospital ….. the same as the f*****g school….I haven’t been following this closely. Can someone explain why the Premier’s phone was being bugged back in 2018?
I think Macguire’s phone was being tapped because he was under corruption investigation
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Apart from which, reducing the methane will require lots of money, and lots of money = lots of jobs.
But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
No, it increases the amount of money in farmers pockets, coming from both people who need to eat, and people who need to pay taxes so governments can meet GHG targets.
The failure to sell renewables as a big win for the regions is kind of baffling to me. Land, they’ve got. The space for major renewables facilities is what rural areas have that cities lack.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
No, it increases the amount of money in farmers pockets, coming from both people who need to eat, and people who need to pay taxes so governments can meet GHG targets.
The failure to sell renewables as a big win for the regions is kind of baffling to me. Land, they’ve got. The space for major renewables facilities is what rural areas have that cities lack.
And the minerals needed for net-zero projects like electric cars mean that mining is going to go gang-busters.
So the Gladys B corruption turned out to be even worse than expected and I’m wondering if all the ABC presenters who were lined up to sing Candles In the Wind for her are feeling a bit silly now.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
No, it increases the amount of money in farmers pockets, coming from both people who need to eat, and people who need to pay taxes so governments can meet GHG targets.
The failure to sell renewables as a big win for the regions is kind of baffling to me. Land, they’ve got. The space for major renewables facilities is what rural areas have that cities lack.
Hippy stuff perhaps
Cymek said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
No, it increases the amount of money in farmers pockets, coming from both people who need to eat, and people who need to pay taxes so governments can meet GHG targets.
The failure to sell renewables as a big win for the regions is kind of baffling to me. Land, they’ve got. The space for major renewables facilities is what rural areas have that cities lack.
Hippy stuff perhaps
yeah but think of all that arable land, think of all the rainfall that’s going to waste if they don’t stick the rivers dry
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:dv said:
The failure to sell renewables as a big win for the regions is kind of baffling to me. Land, they’ve got. The space for major renewables facilities is what rural areas have that cities lack.
Hippy stuff perhaps
yeah but think of all that arable land, think of all the rainfall that’s going to waste if they don’t stick the rivers dry
With the long term repercussions of climate change is it fair to actually shut down unviable industries and compensate within reason the workers and retrain them elsewhere.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:But that reduces the amount of money in farmers’ pockets, and redistributes it elsewhere. Not exactly what the sectional socialists want.
No, it increases the amount of money in farmers pockets, coming from both people who need to eat, and people who need to pay taxes so governments can meet GHG targets.
The failure to sell renewables as a big win for the regions is kind of baffling to me. Land, they’ve got. The space for major renewables facilities is what rural areas have that cities lack.
I suppose the Federal Nats are basically city people.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:Hippy stuff perhaps
yeah but think of all that arable land, think of all the rainfall that’s going to waste if they don’t stick the rivers dry
With the long term repercussions of climate change is it fair to actually shut down unviable industries and compensate within reason the workers and retrain them elsewhere.
right but why not in the face of a more immediate pandemic disaster also cull the business failures like gyms
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:yeah but think of all that arable land, think of all the rainfall that’s going to waste if they don’t stick the rivers dry
With the long term repercussions of climate change is it fair to actually shut down unviable industries and compensate within reason the workers and retrain them elsewhere.
right but why not in the face of a more immediate pandemic disaster also cull the business failures like gyms
That as well
ABC News:
‘How Gladys Berejiklian’s ICAC media blitz backfired
7.30
/ By Paul Farrell and Alex McDonald
Painful questions about the status of Gladys Berejiklian’s relationship with Daryl Maguire bordered on the Shakespearean, as the former premier remains defiant.’
‘She did not recall having any particular interest in a government grant awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association, a project long pursued by her secret partner, the former member for Wagga Wagga, Daryl Maguire. She did not give any special attention to Mr Maguire’s projects, she said, telling ICAC that he was treated no differently to any other member of her government. ‘
There, there, Gladys, don’t strain your memory. The recordings of your conversations make the situation perfectly clear. And the situation is that you’re up shit creek.
Then there’s this pic:
Doesn’t she look like a beloved family dog who’s just been confronted the reality that it was her who tore that cushion to pieces, now wasn’t it?
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘How Gladys Berejiklian’s ICAC media blitz backfired
7.30
/ By Paul Farrell and Alex McDonald
Painful questions about the status of Gladys Berejiklian’s relationship with Daryl Maguire bordered on the Shakespearean, as the former premier remains defiant.’‘She did not recall having any particular interest in a government grant awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association, a project long pursued by her secret partner, the former member for Wagga Wagga, Daryl Maguire. She did not give any special attention to Mr Maguire’s projects, she said, telling ICAC that he was treated no differently to any other member of her government. ‘
There, there, Gladys, don’t strain your memory. The recordings of your conversations make the situation perfectly clear. And the situation is that you’re up shit creek.
Then there’s this pic:
Doesn’t she look like a beloved family dog who’s just been confronted the reality that it was her who tore that cushion to pieces, now wasn’t it?
If you were mischievous you could put heights on those lines behind her like 5’ 0” 5’ 1” 5’ 2” etc.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘How Gladys Berejiklian’s ICAC media blitz backfired
7.30
/ By Paul Farrell and Alex McDonald
Painful questions about the status of Gladys Berejiklian’s relationship with Daryl Maguire bordered on the Shakespearean, as the former premier remains defiant.’‘She did not recall having any particular interest in a government grant awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association, a project long pursued by her secret partner, the former member for Wagga Wagga, Daryl Maguire. She did not give any special attention to Mr Maguire’s projects, she said, telling ICAC that he was treated no differently to any other member of her government. ‘
There, there, Gladys, don’t strain your memory. The recordings of your conversations make the situation perfectly clear. And the situation is that you’re up shit creek.
Then there’s this pic:
Doesn’t she look like a beloved family dog who’s just been confronted the reality that it was her who tore that cushion to pieces, now wasn’t it?
LOL.
Yes, yes she does.
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘How Gladys Berejiklian’s ICAC media blitz backfired
7.30
/ By Paul Farrell and Alex McDonald
Painful questions about the status of Gladys Berejiklian’s relationship with Daryl Maguire bordered on the Shakespearean, as the former premier remains defiant.’‘She did not recall having any particular interest in a government grant awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association, a project long pursued by her secret partner, the former member for Wagga Wagga, Daryl Maguire. She did not give any special attention to Mr Maguire’s projects, she said, telling ICAC that he was treated no differently to any other member of her government. ‘
There, there, Gladys, don’t strain your memory. The recordings of your conversations make the situation perfectly clear. And the situation is that you’re up shit creek.
Then there’s this pic:
Doesn’t she look like a beloved family dog who’s just been confronted the reality that it was her who tore that cushion to pieces, now wasn’t it?
If you were mischievous you could put heights on those lines behind her like 5’ 0” 5’ 1” 5’ 2” etc.
Someone. Someone please do it.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘How Gladys Berejiklian’s ICAC media blitz backfired
7.30
/ By Paul Farrell and Alex McDonald
Painful questions about the status of Gladys Berejiklian’s relationship with Daryl Maguire bordered on the Shakespearean, as the former premier remains defiant.’‘She did not recall having any particular interest in a government grant awarded to the Australian Clay Target Association, a project long pursued by her secret partner, the former member for Wagga Wagga, Daryl Maguire. She did not give any special attention to Mr Maguire’s projects, she said, telling ICAC that he was treated no differently to any other member of her government. ‘
There, there, Gladys, don’t strain your memory. The recordings of your conversations make the situation perfectly clear. And the situation is that you’re up shit creek.
Then there’s this pic:
Doesn’t she look like a beloved family dog who’s just been confronted the reality that it was her who tore that cushion to pieces, now wasn’t it?
LOL.
Yes, yes she does.
:)
Needs one of them pet-shaming signs around her neck.
“I shredded evidence”
oh come on you all baying for blood now not long ago it was all poor Gutless she was just set up for it she was caught in an unlucky and difficult situation
you know
she insisted she had only acted with integrity who are we to question that
we mean
maybe to be fair we need to understand that in her world, this level of corruption is the highest integrity, this is how they all act with integrity, this is what integrity means to them, this is normal baseline stuff
captain_spalding said:
Good work that man!
SCIENCE said:
oh come on you all baying for blood now not long ago it was all poor Gutless she was just set up for it she was caught in an unlucky and difficult situationyou know
she insisted she had only acted with integrity who are we to question that
we mean
maybe to be fair we need to understand that in her world, this level of corruption is the highest integrity, this is how they all act with integrity, this is what integrity means to them, this is normal baseline stuff
Yep. Standard, base-line.
Known as “pork-barrelling”, taken from the US idiom.
captain_spalding said:
LOL
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-29/record-prices-are-at-record-highs-fraser-government-john-howard/100575924
dv said:
LOLOL
Boris said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-29/record-prices-are-at-record-highs-fraser-government-john-howard/100575924
The world is in for a period of stagflation over the next couple of years. Inflation is back.
I just watched
Police Try to Justify friendlyjordies Arrest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CxSBHmAylQ
Interesting body language. Questioning about whether Friendlyjordies is a journo…(I had wondered about that myself in that although Jordies is a comedian he is breaking these news stories) Police concern about Barilaro’s mental state although no professional supporting data ceptin’ barilaro took some mental health leave.
No one asked about the Police Commissioner’s 90k pay rise concurrent to this shit.
https://theaimn.com/independent-media-a-fight-for-its-survival/
Amendments to the Federal Treasurer’s media bargaining code will be tabled in the New Year.
In a nutshell, if passed, it will mean that in Australia, Facebook and Google can only publish articles from the Murdoch media, Kerry Stokes media, and Fairfax/Channel 9.
Basically, it will be ensure that the voices of independent (or dissenting) media is muffled in the lead up to the next election.
Approximately 30 online media sites and rural newspapers have joined together to fight this. There are a number of steps we need to take, with the first being an e-Petition submitted to the Parliament of Australia: Petition EN3530 – Designate Google & Facebook to support public interest journalism, as shown below:
Terms:
Reason: Under the News Media Bargaining Code Google and Facebook have struck deals with a small number of media outlets. However, they have refused to negotiate with the majority of Australian news providers – including a range of high-quality outlets that meet the criteria set out in the Code. By publishing public interest journalism these providers fight misinformation and inject expertise into the media ecosystem. Only designation by the Treasurer can bring Facebook to the negotiation table.
Request: We therefore ask the House to request that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg “designate” Google and Facebook under the News Media Bargaining Code to force Google and Facebook to negotiate payment for all publishers who genuinely serve the public interest.
e-Petitions that collect 20,000 names are scheduled for debate in the House.
If we can generate 20,000 signatures on our petition we will make sure that Josh Frydenberg and the Parliament know that a handful of deals with a few media conglomerates is not good enough. We will force the Parliament to debate both Facebook AND Google. We will apply real political pressure on the Silicon Valley do a deal with us.
Our petition has only just been lodged, and we only have until the 24th of November to collect 20,000 signatures.
We urge you to sign our petition. Independent media is fighting for its survival.
This is only Step 1 of our fight. Details of Step 2 will be published in the near future.
Thanking you in advance.
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/independent-media-a-fight-for-its-survival/Amendments to the Federal Treasurer’s media bargaining code will be tabled in the New Year.
In a nutshell, if passed, it will mean that in Australia, Facebook and Google can only publish articles from the Murdoch media, Kerry Stokes media, and Fairfax/Channel 9.
Basically, it will be ensure that the voices of independent (or dissenting) media is muffled in the lead up to the next election.
Approximately 30 online media sites and rural newspapers have joined together to fight this. There are a number of steps we need to take, with the first being an e-Petition submitted to the Parliament of Australia: Petition EN3530 – Designate Google & Facebook to support public interest journalism, as shown below:
Terms:
Reason: Under the News Media Bargaining Code Google and Facebook have struck deals with a small number of media outlets. However, they have refused to negotiate with the majority of Australian news providers – including a range of high-quality outlets that meet the criteria set out in the Code. By publishing public interest journalism these providers fight misinformation and inject expertise into the media ecosystem. Only designation by the Treasurer can bring Facebook to the negotiation table.
Request: We therefore ask the House to request that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg “designate” Google and Facebook under the News Media Bargaining Code to force Google and Facebook to negotiate payment for all publishers who genuinely serve the public interest.
e-Petitions that collect 20,000 names are scheduled for debate in the House.
If we can generate 20,000 signatures on our petition we will make sure that Josh Frydenberg and the Parliament know that a handful of deals with a few media conglomerates is not good enough. We will force the Parliament to debate both Facebook AND Google. We will apply real political pressure on the Silicon Valley do a deal with us.
Our petition has only just been lodged, and we only have until the 24th of November to collect 20,000 signatures.
We urge you to sign our petition. Independent media is fighting for its survival.
This is only Step 1 of our fight. Details of Step 2 will be published in the near future.
Thanking you in advance.
Bastards.
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/independent-media-a-fight-for-its-survival/Amendments to the Federal Treasurer’s media bargaining code will be tabled in the New Year.
In a nutshell, if passed, it will mean that in Australia, Facebook and Google can only publish articles from the Murdoch media, Kerry Stokes media, and Fairfax/Channel 9.
Basically, it will be ensure that the voices of independent (or dissenting) media is muffled in the lead up to the next election.
Approximately 30 online media sites and rural newspapers have joined together to fight this. There are a number of steps we need to take, with the first being an e-Petition submitted to the Parliament of Australia: Petition EN3530 – Designate Google & Facebook to support public interest journalism, as shown below:
Terms:
Reason: Under the News Media Bargaining Code Google and Facebook have struck deals with a small number of media outlets. However, they have refused to negotiate with the majority of Australian news providers – including a range of high-quality outlets that meet the criteria set out in the Code. By publishing public interest journalism these providers fight misinformation and inject expertise into the media ecosystem. Only designation by the Treasurer can bring Facebook to the negotiation table.
Request: We therefore ask the House to request that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg “designate” Google and Facebook under the News Media Bargaining Code to force Google and Facebook to negotiate payment for all publishers who genuinely serve the public interest.
e-Petitions that collect 20,000 names are scheduled for debate in the House.
If we can generate 20,000 signatures on our petition we will make sure that Josh Frydenberg and the Parliament know that a handful of deals with a few media conglomerates is not good enough. We will force the Parliament to debate both Facebook AND Google. We will apply real political pressure on the Silicon Valley do a deal with us.
Our petition has only just been lodged, and we only have until the 24th of November to collect 20,000 signatures.
We urge you to sign our petition. Independent media is fighting for its survival.
This is only Step 1 of our fight. Details of Step 2 will be published in the near future.
Thanking you in advance.
Bastards.
It’s madness.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://theaimn.com/independent-media-a-fight-for-its-survival/Amendments to the Federal Treasurer’s media bargaining code will be tabled in the New Year.
In a nutshell, if passed, it will mean that in Australia, Facebook and Google can only publish articles from the Murdoch media, Kerry Stokes media, and Fairfax/Channel 9.
Basically, it will be ensure that the voices of independent (or dissenting) media is muffled in the lead up to the next election.
Approximately 30 online media sites and rural newspapers have joined together to fight this. There are a number of steps we need to take, with the first being an e-Petition submitted to the Parliament of Australia: Petition EN3530 – Designate Google & Facebook to support public interest journalism, as shown below:
Terms:
Reason: Under the News Media Bargaining Code Google and Facebook have struck deals with a small number of media outlets. However, they have refused to negotiate with the majority of Australian news providers – including a range of high-quality outlets that meet the criteria set out in the Code. By publishing public interest journalism these providers fight misinformation and inject expertise into the media ecosystem. Only designation by the Treasurer can bring Facebook to the negotiation table.
Request: We therefore ask the House to request that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg “designate” Google and Facebook under the News Media Bargaining Code to force Google and Facebook to negotiate payment for all publishers who genuinely serve the public interest.
e-Petitions that collect 20,000 names are scheduled for debate in the House.
If we can generate 20,000 signatures on our petition we will make sure that Josh Frydenberg and the Parliament know that a handful of deals with a few media conglomerates is not good enough. We will force the Parliament to debate both Facebook AND Google. We will apply real political pressure on the Silicon Valley do a deal with us.
Our petition has only just been lodged, and we only have until the 24th of November to collect 20,000 signatures.
We urge you to sign our petition. Independent media is fighting for its survival.
This is only Step 1 of our fight. Details of Step 2 will be published in the near future.
Thanking you in advance.
Bastards.
It’s madness.
It’s Democracy
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:Bastards.
It’s madness.
It’s Democracy
What is democratic about it?
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:Bastards.
It’s madness.
It’s Democracy
Ayer, ethics-free “business models” vs access to good quality information, in the age of monopolistic “social media” and sly right-wing gubmints.
Mind you this country was burdened with monopolistic “news” long before the internets.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:It’s madness.
It’s Democracy
Ayer, ethics-free “business models” vs access to good quality information, in the age of monopolistic “social media” and sly right-wing gubmints.
Mind you this country was burdened with monopolistic “news” long before the internets.
Ayer = aye
Good timing.
Spiny Norman said:
Good timing.
:)
Melbourne protests.
https://www.tiktok.com/@doona_07/video/7024684103593102594
sarahs mum said:
Melbourne protests.https://www.tiktok.com/@doona_07/video/7024684103593102594
WTF do they have to protest about now?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Melbourne protests.https://www.tiktok.com/@doona_07/video/7024684103593102594
WTF do they have to protest about now?
Margaret sent it to me. It is a beautiful rendition of Advance Australia Fair.
I said to Margaret ‘If only you guys were protesting any of the numerous worthy things to protest…’
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Melbourne protests.https://www.tiktok.com/@doona_07/video/7024684103593102594
WTF do they have to protest about now?
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/new-pandemic-laws-to-face-upper-house-amendments-so-what-s-in-them-20211028-p593y3.html
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/the-plan/
Boris said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/the-plan/
Mucha verdad there, compadre.
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/the-plan/
Mucha verdad there, compadre.
The ABC had the usual suspects on Insiders last sunday.
“First up, Comrade Karvelas – true to form – threw the switch to prophecy. Let’s go to the transcript:
Patricia Karvelas: As we go to air this morning, it’s my understanding that the Nationals’ position has actually hardened against supporting net zero emissions by 2050. Hardened over the weekend. So, are we closer to a deal? I believe we are not.
A deal was reached the following day. In short, PK’s understanding was hopelessly wrong.
Then it was Peter van Onselen’s turn. PVO predicted that “ministers would have to quit” if the Nationals did a deal with the Liberal Party on net zero emissions by 2050. Speersy suggested that this might apply to such hang-outs like Keith Pitt and Bridget McKenzie and so on. PVO was hopelessly wrong. A deal was done between the Coalition partners – and no one resigned from the ministry. Indeed, Keith Pitt was promoted into the Cabinet.
Then Niki Savva had a go. She declared that if there was a Cabinet decision to commit to net zero emissions by 2050 “there will be ministerial resignations and there will be enormous upheaval within the National Party”. Hopelessly wrong on both counts.”
Media Watchdog.
Me thinks it was a case of the wish fathering the thought.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/the-plan/
Mucha verdad there, compadre.
The ABC had the usual suspects on Insiders last sunday.
“First up, Comrade Karvelas – true to form – threw the switch to prophecy. Let’s go to the transcript:
Patricia Karvelas: As we go to air this morning, it’s my understanding that the Nationals’ position has actually hardened against supporting net zero emissions by 2050. Hardened over the weekend. So, are we closer to a deal? I believe we are not.
A deal was reached the following day. In short, PK’s understanding was hopelessly wrong.
Then it was Peter van Onselen’s turn. PVO predicted that “ministers would have to quit” if the Nationals did a deal with the Liberal Party on net zero emissions by 2050. Speersy suggested that this might apply to such hang-outs like Keith Pitt and Bridget McKenzie and so on. PVO was hopelessly wrong. A deal was done between the Coalition partners – and no one resigned from the ministry. Indeed, Keith Pitt was promoted into the Cabinet.
Then Niki Savva had a go. She declared that if there was a Cabinet decision to commit to net zero emissions by 2050 “there will be ministerial resignations and there will be enormous upheaval within the National Party”. Hopelessly wrong on both counts.”
Media Watchdog.Me thinks it was a case of the wish fathering the thought.
quelle horreur.
I hear rusted on rwnj are furious at “The Deal” and “The Plan”.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Mucha verdad there, compadre.
The ABC had the usual suspects on Insiders last sunday.
“First up, Comrade Karvelas – true to form – threw the switch to prophecy. Let’s go to the transcript:
Patricia Karvelas: As we go to air this morning, it’s my understanding that the Nationals’ position has actually hardened against supporting net zero emissions by 2050. Hardened over the weekend. So, are we closer to a deal? I believe we are not.
A deal was reached the following day. In short, PK’s understanding was hopelessly wrong.
Then it was Peter van Onselen’s turn. PVO predicted that “ministers would have to quit” if the Nationals did a deal with the Liberal Party on net zero emissions by 2050. Speersy suggested that this might apply to such hang-outs like Keith Pitt and Bridget McKenzie and so on. PVO was hopelessly wrong. A deal was done between the Coalition partners – and no one resigned from the ministry. Indeed, Keith Pitt was promoted into the Cabinet.
Then Niki Savva had a go. She declared that if there was a Cabinet decision to commit to net zero emissions by 2050 “there will be ministerial resignations and there will be enormous upheaval within the National Party”. Hopelessly wrong on both counts.”
Media Watchdog.Me thinks it was a case of the wish fathering the thought.
quelle horreur.
I hear rusted on rwnj are furious at “The Deal” and “The Plan”.
Well given your feeds that comes as no surprise.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:The ABC had the usual suspects on Insiders last sunday.
“First up, Comrade Karvelas – true to form – threw the switch to prophecy. Let’s go to the transcript:
Patricia Karvelas: As we go to air this morning, it’s my understanding that the Nationals’ position has actually hardened against supporting net zero emissions by 2050. Hardened over the weekend. So, are we closer to a deal? I believe we are not.
A deal was reached the following day. In short, PK’s understanding was hopelessly wrong.
Then it was Peter van Onselen’s turn. PVO predicted that “ministers would have to quit” if the Nationals did a deal with the Liberal Party on net zero emissions by 2050. Speersy suggested that this might apply to such hang-outs like Keith Pitt and Bridget McKenzie and so on. PVO was hopelessly wrong. A deal was done between the Coalition partners – and no one resigned from the ministry. Indeed, Keith Pitt was promoted into the Cabinet.
Then Niki Savva had a go. She declared that if there was a Cabinet decision to commit to net zero emissions by 2050 “there will be ministerial resignations and there will be enormous upheaval within the National Party”. Hopelessly wrong on both counts.”
Media Watchdog.Me thinks it was a case of the wish fathering the thought.
quelle horreur.
I hear rusted on rwnj are furious at “The Deal” and “The Plan”.
Well given your feeds that comes as no surprise.
Has your handle outlived its use-by date then?
oho
Bodies like ICAC have been described as being part of the fourth branch of government: the integrity branch. Former chief justice of the NSW Supreme Court James Spigelman wrote that the basis for the existence of this branch “is the fundamental necessity to ensure that corruption, in a broad sense of that term, is eliminated from government”.
Laugh The Fuck Out Loud, What The Fuck, Are You Fucking Kidding Us, Et Fucking Cetera
we should be Living With Corruption you jokers
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:quelle horreur.
I hear rusted on rwnj are furious at “The Deal” and “The Plan”.
Well given your feeds that comes as no surprise.
Has your handle outlived its use-by date then?
Why? The rwnj’s position hasn’t changed. There is no “Plan”
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:The ABC had the usual suspects on Insiders last sunday.
“First up, Comrade Karvelas – true to form – threw the switch to prophecy. Let’s go to the transcript:
Patricia Karvelas: As we go to air this morning, it’s my understanding that the Nationals’ position has actually hardened against supporting net zero emissions by 2050. Hardened over the weekend. So, are we closer to a deal? I believe we are not.
A deal was reached the following day. In short, PK’s understanding was hopelessly wrong.
Then it was Peter van Onselen’s turn. PVO predicted that “ministers would have to quit” if the Nationals did a deal with the Liberal Party on net zero emissions by 2050. Speersy suggested that this might apply to such hang-outs like Keith Pitt and Bridget McKenzie and so on. PVO was hopelessly wrong. A deal was done between the Coalition partners – and no one resigned from the ministry. Indeed, Keith Pitt was promoted into the Cabinet.
Then Niki Savva had a go. She declared that if there was a Cabinet decision to commit to net zero emissions by 2050 “there will be ministerial resignations and there will be enormous upheaval within the National Party”. Hopelessly wrong on both counts.”
Media Watchdog.Me thinks it was a case of the wish fathering the thought.
quelle horreur.
I hear rusted on rwnj are furious at “The Deal” and “The Plan”.
Well given your feeds that comes as no surprise.
Like the ABC who you seem to follow?
8 points back and pretty stable
Boris said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:Well given your feeds that comes as no surprise.
Has your handle outlived its use-by date then?
Why? The rwnj’s position hasn’t changed. There is no “Plan”
I was wondering if PWM had come around to accepting the reality of climate change and the need for net zero if indeed he considered rwnjs to be not representative of the coalition.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Boris said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Has your handle outlived its use-by date then?
Why? The rwnj’s position hasn’t changed. There is no “Plan”
I was wondering if PWM had come around to accepting the reality of climate change and the need for net zero if indeed he considered rwnjs to be not representative of the coalition.
i doubt he’ll break his rice bowl.
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Boris said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Has your handle outlived its use-by date then?
Why? The rwnj’s position hasn’t changed. There is no “Plan”
I was wondering if PWM had come around to accepting the reality of climate change and the need for net zero if indeed he considered rwnjs to be not representative of the coalition.
you’ll have also noted he never comments on the actual news item it is always, “but, what about…”
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
I don’t think we are all Greens voters.
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
Ahhh… A motrnj. Not too many of them around, Mr Man.
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
LOL, so post you political pages that you follow.
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
LOL, so post you political pages that you follow.
r
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
LOL, so post you political pages that you follow.
I don’t follow any political sites as such and I nave no feeds or notifications.
There’s a lot of political rubbish posted here but I mostly ignore it, life’s too short to live and breath it.
Particularly in a country like Australia where the difference between the major parties is bugger all, there’s nothing much to anguish over.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
LOL, so post you political pages that you follow.
I don’t follow any political sites as such and I nave no feeds or notifications.
There’s a lot of political rubbish posted here but I mostly ignore it, life’s too short to live and breath it.
Particularly in a country like Australia where the difference between the major parties is bugger all, there’s nothing much to anguish over.
LOL, I asked for pages, ie newspaper, blogs etc that you regularly read.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t support rwnjs or lwnjs I’m pretty middle of the road but not in this forum.
This is a hard left forum.
LOL, so post you political pages that you follow.
I don’t follow any political sites as such and I nave no feeds or notifications.
There’s a lot of political rubbish posted here but I mostly ignore it, life’s too short to live and breath it.
Particularly in a country like Australia where the difference between the major parties is bugger all, there’s nothing much to anguish over.
So are you a convert to net-zero after all these years?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:LOL, so post you political pages that you follow.
I don’t follow any political sites as such and I nave no feeds or notifications.
There’s a lot of political rubbish posted here but I mostly ignore it, life’s too short to live and breath it.
Particularly in a country like Australia where the difference between the major parties is bugger all, there’s nothing much to anguish over.
So are you a convert to net-zero after all these years?
No conversion necessary but I still like to take the piss out of climate fundamentalist zealots who are away with the fairies.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:I don’t follow any political sites as such and I nave no feeds or notifications.
There’s a lot of political rubbish posted here but I mostly ignore it, life’s too short to live and breath it.
Particularly in a country like Australia where the difference between the major parties is bugger all, there’s nothing much to anguish over.
So are you a convert to net-zero after all these years?
No conversion necessary but I still like to take the piss out of climate fundamentalist zealots who are away with the fairies.
You must have been mighty pissed off when Morrison claimed Labor wanted to end the weekend last election then?
Your regular reminder that the Howard government had an emissions pricing policy to bring us down to net zero emissions 14 years ago.
So remember, if that’s what you support, you are a lunatic leftist like John Howard.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So are you a convert to net-zero after all these years?
No conversion necessary but I still like to take the piss out of climate fundamentalist zealots who are away with the fairies.
You must have been mighty pissed off when Morrison claimed Labor wanted to end the weekend last election then?
I don’t recall that one your Honour but I would like to put on the record to the inquest that I nor any member of my family have ever been a member of the communist part.
dv said:
Your regular reminder that the Howard government had an emissions pricing policy to bring us down to net zero emissions 14 years ago.So remember, if that’s what you support, you are a lunatic leftist like John Howard.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-29/record-prices-are-at-record-highs-fraser-government-john-howard/100575924
posted earlier.
dv said:
Your regular reminder that the Howard government had an emissions pricing policy to bring us down to net zero emissions 14 years ago.So remember, if that’s what you support, you are a lunatic leftist like John Howard.
I do recall Kevin Rudd’s headland speech about our greats moral issue though.
Spiny Norman said:
So that’s what he burns in his incense swinger?
Spiny Norman said:
:)
Good to see our PM working.
Boris said:
Good to see our PM working.
Just another actor on the stage of politics. Make-believe is what actors do. And he does lots of it.
sarahs mum said:
He’s not mine, he’s just some bum the government sent over there.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
He’s not mine, he’s just some bum the government sent over there.
We need to send France a card:
Nous savons. Nous sommes désolés.
de
Les gens australiens.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
He’s not mine, he’s just some bum the government sent over there.
We need to send France a card:
Nous savons. Nous sommes désolés.
de
Les gens australiens.
I haven’t found the story…
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:He’s not mine, he’s just some bum the government sent over there.
We need to send France a card:
Nous savons. Nous sommes désolés.
de
Les gens australiens.
I haven’t found the story…
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-g20-might-give-morrison-a-chance-to-heal-the-rift-with-macron-20211030-p594kz.html
Daniel Andrews for PM ·
·
Hot off the press!!! Morrison has made it into the largest financial newspaper in Italy today!
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
He’s not mine, he’s just some bum the government sent over there.
As he disclosed last year, he considers this unwanted contact to be a form of laying on hands to pray for people
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
He’s not mine, he’s just some bum the government sent over there.
As he disclosed last year, he considers this unwanted contact to be a form of laying on hands to pray for people
Yes it’s sadder than it seems at first sight.
Tim Smith was like 3 times the limit so he must be a bit bad at booze accounting if he genuinely thought he was under.
I wonder who the next House Speaker will be. Tony Smith was pretty good.
Folks got jokes
dv said:
Tim Smith was like 3 times the limit so he must be a bit bad at booze accounting if he genuinely thought he was under.
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
dv said:
Tim Smith was like 3 times the limit so he must be a bit bad at booze accounting if he genuinely thought he was under.
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
Bubblecar said:
Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
Actually that’s not quite true ‘cos I did own Mum’s cars after she died, but I gave them away pronto.
Bubblecar said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
dv said:
Tim Smith was like 3 times the limit so he must be a bit bad at booze accounting if he genuinely thought he was under.
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
And a horse I think
I don’t ride a bicycle these days because I’m just too fat.
If I climbed on a bicycle it would collapse into a sad heap of dismembered spokes and tubing.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
And a horse I think
Mr Its can get a DUI for his electric wheelchair.. though they aren’t going to take it away form him… and I suspect that it’s only when you are on a road rather than obeying the rules of the pedestrian way.
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
I can confirm this (from experience.)
btm said:
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
I can confirm this (from experience.)
Can you get in shit for just being drunk while walking home? I feel like you could in the past but I’ve not heard of anyone being pinged recently…..
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
btm said:
Neophyte said:You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
I can confirm this (from experience.)
Can you get in shit for just being drunk while walking home? I feel like you could in the past but I’ve not heard of anyone being pinged recently…..
it would depend, like anything, on your behaviour… drunk and disorderly is still a thing, so If you are being a dick about your walk home then the police are more likely to ping you… if you are just trying to get hime, they’ll probably help you
Arts said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
btm said:I can confirm this (from experience.)
Can you get in shit for just being drunk while walking home? I feel like you could in the past but I’ve not heard of anyone being pinged recently…..
it would depend, like anything, on your behaviour… drunk and disorderly is still a thing, so If you are being a dick about your walk home then the police are more likely to ping you… if you are just trying to get hime, they’ll probably help you
in our community safety Facebook page someone posted a video from their ring doorbell from last night of a guy dressed like someone out fo the squid games (full face mask and all) at their front door ringing their bell at midnight.. they were pretty cool about it (I would have freaked out if I saw that at my door) but then a person commented that they were really sorry, that was their husband and she had sent them to the wrong address (there was a party up the road) and if it’s any consolation he was very hangover and sore this morning… again apologising profusely.. it was a well handled event. and gave everyone a good laugh
Arts said:
Arts said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:Can you get in shit for just being drunk while walking home? I feel like you could in the past but I’ve not heard of anyone being pinged recently…..
it would depend, like anything, on your behaviour… drunk and disorderly is still a thing, so If you are being a dick about your walk home then the police are more likely to ping you… if you are just trying to get hime, they’ll probably help you
in our community safety Facebook page someone posted a video from their ring doorbell from last night of a guy dressed like someone out fo the squid games (full face mask and all) at their front door ringing their bell at midnight.. they were pretty cool about it (I would have freaked out if I saw that at my door) but then a person commented that they were really sorry, that was their husband and she had sent them to the wrong address (there was a party up the road) and if it’s any consolation he was very hangover and sore this morning… again apologising profusely.. it was a well handled event. and gave everyone a good laugh
this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
Arts said:
Arts said:
Arts said:it would depend, like anything, on your behaviour… drunk and disorderly is still a thing, so If you are being a dick about your walk home then the police are more likely to ping you… if you are just trying to get hime, they’ll probably help you
in our community safety Facebook page someone posted a video from their ring doorbell from last night of a guy dressed like someone out fo the squid games (full face mask and all) at their front door ringing their bell at midnight.. they were pretty cool about it (I would have freaked out if I saw that at my door) but then a person commented that they were really sorry, that was their husband and she had sent them to the wrong address (there was a party up the road) and if it’s any consolation he was very hangover and sore this morning… again apologising profusely.. it was a well handled event. and gave everyone a good laugh
this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
dude was so drunk his mask was upside down
Arts said:
Arts said:
Arts said:in our community safety Facebook page someone posted a video from their ring doorbell from last night of a guy dressed like someone out fo the squid games (full face mask and all) at their front door ringing their bell at midnight.. they were pretty cool about it (I would have freaked out if I saw that at my door) but then a person commented that they were really sorry, that was their husband and she had sent them to the wrong address (there was a party up the road) and if it’s any consolation he was very hangover and sore this morning… again apologising profusely.. it was a well handled event. and gave everyone a good laugh
this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
dude was so drunk his mask was upside down
Wtf is squid games?????
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Arts said:
Arts said:this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
dude was so drunk his mask was upside down
Wtf is squid games?????
it’s a Netflix show … that all the kids are watching
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Arts said:
Arts said:this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
dude was so drunk his mask was upside down
Wtf is squid games?????
I don’t know either.
Arts said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Arts said:dude was so drunk his mask was upside down
Wtf is squid games?????
it’s a Netflix show … that all the kids are watching
Ahh I see.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Arts said:
Arts said:this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
dude was so drunk his mask was upside down
Wtf is squid games?????
It’s like chess, but the pieces are replaced by different species of squid.
The loser gets inked.
Arts said:
Arts said:
Arts said:it would depend, like anything, on your behaviour… drunk and disorderly is still a thing, so If you are being a dick about your walk home then the police are more likely to ping you… if you are just trying to get hime, they’ll probably help you
in our community safety Facebook page someone posted a video from their ring doorbell from last night of a guy dressed like someone out fo the squid games (full face mask and all) at their front door ringing their bell at midnight.. they were pretty cool about it (I would have freaked out if I saw that at my door) but then a person commented that they were really sorry, that was their husband and she had sent them to the wrong address (there was a party up the road) and if it’s any consolation he was very hangover and sore this morning… again apologising profusely.. it was a well handled event. and gave everyone a good laugh
this is a still from the video. .. as I said, I would not have been calm about it at the time.
I reckon I know who that is.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:Simpler for me ‘cos I don’t even know how to drive, and have never owned a motor car.
You can get done for DUI while riding a bicycle…
And a horse I think
and a bear as well…sorry wrong song.
I kind of forgot that Tony Abbott’s job is now UK Trade Board Advisor.
Rather than full time troll.
dv said:
I kind of forgot that Tony Abbott’s job is now UK Trade Board Advisor.Rather than full time troll.
But Scomo has stood up to the role of embarrassing us.
Spiny Norman said:
we see what they did there, per GDP, so what they’re actually saying is that Corruption Coalition are far better at building The Economy Must Grow obviously
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
dv said:
Tim Smith was like 3 times the limit so he must be a bit bad at booze accounting if he genuinely thought he was under.
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Me, too.
Michael V said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
dv said:
Tim Smith was like 3 times the limit so he must be a bit bad at booze accounting if he genuinely thought he was under.
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Me, too.
maybe all that but he’s shadow AG isn’t he, why didn’t he just rape someone at the time and then he would have got away Matthew free
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Me, too.
maybe all that but he’s shadow AG isn’t he, why didn’t he just rape someone at the time and then he would have got away Matthew free
What?
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Me, too.
maybe all that but he’s shadow AG isn’t he, why didn’t he just rape someone at the time and then he would have got away Matthew free
What?
beats us, some Corruption Coalition crazies seem to get away with much more, who knows
SCIENCE said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
SCIENCE said:maybe all that but he’s shadow AG isn’t he, why didn’t he just rape someone at the time and then he would have got away Matthew free
What?
beats us, some Corruption Coalition crazies seem to get away with much more, who knows
Right.. ok the crazies… Ok ….
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Na he is like everyone that gets caught either too pissed to realise or they take a chance and make excuses when they get caught.
One Xmas party many years ago one person was kinda drunk and another lady who had only had 2 over the duration decided she would drive her friend home instead of getting a taxi and getting the car the next day. Got pulled, blew over the limit. Friends don’t drive drunk friend’s home drunk.
It’s simple if I’ve had a drink I assume I’m over and just don’t drive. If I have to drive I just don’t have a drink.
Me, too.
maybe all that but he’s shadow AG isn’t he, why didn’t he just rape someone at the time and then he would have got away Matthew free
He was just taking Dan’s advice to get on the beers.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/two-thirds-of-voters-back-federal-corruption-watchdog-with-stronger-powers-20211028-p5945s.html
Boris said:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/two-thirds-of-voters-back-federal-corruption-watchdog-with-stronger-powers-20211028-p5945s.html
Well, it’s just as well for federal politicians that they’re not bound to pursue objectives which would meet with the approval of the electorate, then, isn’t it?
ABC News:
‘Emmanuel Macron’s revenge on Scott Morrison for dumping a French submarine contract is to give the Prime Minister’s political enemies a killer line on his credibility and trust.
Asked if he thought Scott Morrison had lied to him, Mr Macron replied: “I don’t think, I know.”’
There’s Labor’s election slogan.
‘Do you think that the Morrison government has lied to Australians?” “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that the Morrison government is not only incompetent but deeply corrupt?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that Labor is the logical and sensible choice at this election?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
Etc.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Emmanuel Macron’s revenge on Scott Morrison for dumping a French submarine contract is to give the Prime Minister’s political enemies a killer line on his credibility and trust.
Asked if he thought Scott Morrison had lied to him, Mr Macron replied: “I don’t think, I know.”’
There’s Labor’s election slogan.
‘Do you think that the Morrison government has lied to Australians?” “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that the Morrison government is not only incompetent but deeply corrupt?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that Labor is the logical and sensible choice at this election?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
Etc.
Fair call.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Emmanuel Macron’s revenge on Scott Morrison for dumping a French submarine contract is to give the Prime Minister’s political enemies a killer line on his credibility and trust.
Asked if he thought Scott Morrison had lied to him, Mr Macron replied: “I don’t think, I know.”’
There’s Labor’s election slogan.
‘Do you think that the Morrison government has lied to Australians?” “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that the Morrison government is not only incompetent but deeply corrupt?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that Labor is the logical and sensible choice at this election?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
Etc.
Fair call.
Take your stinkin’ paws off me you damn dirty ape?
dv said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Emmanuel Macron’s revenge on Scott Morrison for dumping a French submarine contract is to give the Prime Minister’s political enemies a killer line on his credibility and trust.
Asked if he thought Scott Morrison had lied to him, Mr Macron replied: “I don’t think, I know.”’
There’s Labor’s election slogan.
‘Do you think that the Morrison government has lied to Australians?” “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that the Morrison government is not only incompetent but deeply corrupt?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that Labor is the logical and sensible choice at this election?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
Etc.
Fair call.
Take your stinkin’ paws off me you damn dirty ape?
I prefer to believe the big bronzed Aussie bloke than the frail outraged petulant snowflake Frenchman with his toys all round his cot.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/31/macron-accuses-australian-pm-of-lying-over-submarine-deal
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Emmanuel Macron’s revenge on Scott Morrison for dumping a French submarine contract is to give the Prime Minister’s political enemies a killer line on his credibility and trust.
Asked if he thought Scott Morrison had lied to him, Mr Macron replied: “I don’t think, I know.”’
There’s Labor’s election slogan.
‘Do you think that the Morrison government has lied to Australians?” “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that the Morrison government is not only incompetent but deeply corrupt?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
‘Do you think that Labor is the logical and sensible choice at this election?’ “I don’t think, I know.”’
Etc.
Add to that,
It’s time to, you know.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Fair call.
Take your stinkin’ paws off me you damn dirty ape?
I prefer to believe the big bronzed Aussie bloke than the frail outraged petulant snowflake Frenchman with his toys all round his cot.
We have good word that Morrison is clumsy.
https://theconversation.com/will-national-cabinet-survive-the-covid-opening-up-170631
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Fair call.
Take your stinkin’ paws off me you damn dirty ape?
I prefer to believe the big bronzed Aussie bloke than the frail outraged petulant snowflake Frenchman with his toys all round his cot.
Goodness me…who prescribed your glasses?! You need to take them back and ask for your money back.
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:Take your stinkin’ paws off me you damn dirty ape?
I prefer to believe the big bronzed Aussie bloke than the frail outraged petulant snowflake Frenchman with his toys all round his cot.
Goodness me…who prescribed your glasses?! You need to take them back and ask for your money back.
:)
I believe buffy made an optometrist’s joke.
His Hawaiian tan would have worn off by now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao
Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
Fancy going to all that work to get Matthias Corbann in that job and then to have him not engage.
Meanwhile..my facebook says this…
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
He didn’t have to go all the way to Rome to find that out.
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
Does he sit at the kiddies table with North Korea, hmm who else Afghanistan, Myanmar and anyone else who in charged as they staged a coo
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
He didn’t have to go all the way to Rome to find that out.
If he fell down a well, we wouldn’t be sending out love down it
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
Why is it so low?
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
He didn’t have to go all the way to Rome to find that out.
If he fell down a well, we wouldn’t be sending out love down it
Was Matthias Cormann there?
You’d think that Matthias would give him a handshake at least, to say ‘thanks for all the fully paid leave while i jetted around the world in a fully-paid, unlimited-use for RAAF VIP jet for weeks and weeks, staying in top-shelf accommodation on an all-expenses paid (by the Aust. taxpayers) junket so that i could glad-hand my way into the top OECD job’.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5aoScott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome
Nobody loves me!
Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
Why is it so low?
Scientific enquiry, i’d have thought.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
Why is it so low?
Scientific enquiry, i’d have thought.
You’d think that we’ve had a situation where over 5 million people have lost their lives. Why you wouldn’t have an inquiry into that, no matter who suggested it?
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:Why is it so low?
Scientific enquiry, i’d have thought.
You’d think that we’ve had a situation where over 5 million people have lost their lives. Why you wouldn’t have an inquiry into that, no matter who suggested it?
But there have been inquiries and science and papers. Of course the horse could be flogged more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#History
The virus is thought to be of natural animal origin, most likely through spillover infection. There are several theories about where the first case (the so-called patient zero) originated and investigations into the origin of the pandemic are ongoing.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:Scientific enquiry, i’d have thought.
You’d think that we’ve had a situation where over 5 million people have lost their lives. Why you wouldn’t have an inquiry into that, no matter who suggested it?
But there have been inquiries and science and papers. Of course the horse could be flogged more.
So, what was the conclusion?
Boris said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#HistoryThe virus is thought to be of natural animal origin, most likely through spillover infection. There are several theories about where the first case (the so-called patient zero) originated and investigations into the origin of the pandemic are ongoing.
Thanks Boris.
On the other hand, he might just be replaying ‘The Best of Scotty’.
His earlier call for such an inquiry garnered hefty mitt from the audience at an earlier show, so he possibly thought ‘give ‘em the song they know’.
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#HistoryThe virus is thought to be of natural animal origin, most likely through spillover infection. There are several theories about where the first case (the so-called patient zero) originated and investigations into the origin of the pandemic are ongoing.
Thanks Boris.
Copy that.
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#HistoryThe virus is thought to be of natural animal origin, most likely through spillover infection. There are several theories about where the first case (the so-called patient zero) originated and investigations into the origin of the pandemic are ongoing.
Thanks Boris.
Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#HistoryThe virus is thought to be of natural animal origin, most likely through spillover infection. There are several theories about where the first case (the so-called patient zero) originated and investigations into the origin of the pandemic are ongoing.
Thanks Boris.
Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
LOL.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19#HistoryThe virus is thought to be of natural animal origin, most likely through spillover infection. There are several theories about where the first case (the so-called patient zero) originated and investigations into the origin of the pandemic are ongoing.
Thanks Boris.
Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
But can you still get pangolin and bats on sticks in Wuhan?
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Thanks Boris.
Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
But can you still get pangolin and bats on sticks in Wuhan?
probably, just as you can get funny foreign muck in australia.
so it’s another “look over there” move eh
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Thanks Boris.
Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
But can you still get pangolin and bats on sticks in Wuhan?
The EU, the US and 13 other countries as well as the WHO call for further investigation but because scotty is also calling for it it then becomes low.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
But can you still get pangolin and bats on sticks in Wuhan?
The EU, the US and 13 other countries as well as the WHO call for further investigation but because scotty is also calling for it it then becomes low.
The WHO issued its 30 March…
On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
so your quote is from march and in oct a new investigation has been announced. so tell us again why scotty wants another inquiry when one has already been formulated?
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:Thanks Boris.
Yes.
It also stated that a laboratory origin for the virus was “extremely unlikely.” Scientists found the conclusions of the WHO report to be helpful but noted that more work was needed. In the US, the EU and other countries, some criticised the lack of transparency and data access in the report’s formulation. The WHO issued its 30 March report alongside a statement of the WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus saying that the matter “requires further investigation”. The U.S. government and 13 other countries and the European Union issued statements on the same day, echoing Tedros’s critique of the report for lacking transparency and data access in its formulation. In a later press conference, the WHO director-general said it was “premature” for the WHO’s report to rule out a potential link between a laboratory leak and called on China to provide ‘raw data’ and lab audits in a second phase of investigations. On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
Earlier, on 22 July 2021, the Chinese government had held a press conference in which Zeng Yixin, Vice Health Minister of the National Health Commission (NHC), said that China would not participate in a second phase of the WHO’s investigation, denouncing it as “shocking” and “arrogant”.
ROFL
But can you still get pangolin and bats on sticks in Wuhan?
https://www.welcometocountry.org/the-original-fresh-food-people-aboriginal-bush-meats
bloody aboriginals eating bats!!!
sibeen said:
The EU, the US and 13 other countries as well as the WHO call for further investigation but because scotty is also calling for it it then becomes low.
He’ll get Dutton on to it.
Boris said:
https://www.welcometocountry.org/the-original-fresh-food-people-aboriginal-bush-meats
bloody aboriginals eating bats!!!
I should pull my head in.
It’s not like i’ve never consumed a rodent.
Boris said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:But can you still get pangolin and bats on sticks in Wuhan?
The EU, the US and 13 other countries as well as the WHO call for further investigation but because scotty is also calling for it it then becomes low.
The WHO issued its 30 March…
On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
so your quote is from march and in oct a new investigation has been announced. so tell us again why scotty wants another inquiry when one has already been formulated?
He was calling for it back in September, I can’t see where he’s done it in the last few days.
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:https://www.welcometocountry.org/the-original-fresh-food-people-aboriginal-bush-meats
bloody aboriginals eating bats!!!
I should pull my head in.
It’s not like i’ve never consumed a rodent.
they’re birds
sibeen said:
Boris said:
sibeen said:The EU, the US and 13 other countries as well as the WHO call for further investigation but because scotty is also calling for it it then becomes low.
The WHO issued its 30 March…
On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
so your quote is from march and in oct a new investigation has been announced. so tell us again why scotty wants another inquiry when one has already been formulated?
He was calling for it back in September, I can’t see where he’s done it in the last few days.
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1811181
Subject: re: Aust politics 6
Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome Nobody loves me!Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
—-
In the youtube Boris posted that I commented on that you put shit on without watching.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Boris said:The WHO issued its 30 March…
On 12 October 2021, WHO announced a new team to study the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
so your quote is from march and in oct a new investigation has been announced. so tell us again why scotty wants another inquiry when one has already been formulated?
He was calling for it back in September, I can’t see where he’s done it in the last few days.
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1811181
Subject: re: Aust politics 6Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome Nobody loves me!Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
—-In the youtube Boris posted that I commented on that you put shit on without watching.
Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
captain_spalding said:
On the other hand, he might just be replaying ‘The Best of Scotty’.His earlier call for such an inquiry garnered hefty mitt from the audience at an earlier show, so he possibly thought ‘give ‘em the song they know’.
He’s simply using the only thing he knows.. “look over there to be distracted from what you want me to explain”.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:He was calling for it back in September, I can’t see where he’s done it in the last few days.
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1811181
Subject: re: Aust politics 6Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome Nobody loves me!Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
—-In the youtube Boris posted that I commented on that you put shit on without watching.
Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
oh well thankfully there’s precedent and now we don’t have to comply with environmental standards either
SCIENCE said:
so it’s another “look over there” move eh
spot on.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:He was calling for it back in September, I can’t see where he’s done it in the last few days.
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1811181
Subject: re: Aust politics 6Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome Nobody loves me!Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
—-In the youtube Boris posted that I commented on that you put shit on without watching.
Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
If Biden had called for it you would be full on supporting the concept. It’s only because it is scotty that you don’t agree with it.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:From: sarahs mum
ID: 1811181
Subject: re: Aust politics 6Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome Nobody loves me!Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
—-In the youtube Boris posted that I commented on that you put shit on without watching.
Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
If Biden had called for it you would be full on supporting the concept. It’s only because it is scotty that you don’t agree with it.
Bullshit.
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:From: sarahs mum
ID: 1811181
Subject: re: Aust politics 6Boris said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAax2Qo5ao Scott Morrison with world leaders at the G20 in Rome Nobody loves me!Asking for an inquiry (again) into the origins of Covid is so low. Is he still channelling Trump?
—-In the youtube Boris posted that I commented on that you put shit on without watching.
Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
oh well thankfully there’s precedent and now we don’t have to comply with environmental standards either
Err, he’s been on about it for since May last year.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:https://www.welcometocountry.org/the-original-fresh-food-people-aboriginal-bush-meats
bloody aboriginals eating bats!!!
I should pull my head in.
It’s not like i’ve never consumed a rodent.
they’re birds
I must remember to politely refuse any invitation that you issue to a chicken dinner.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
If Biden had called for it you would be full on supporting the concept. It’s only because it is scotty that you don’t agree with it.
Bullshit.
So you disagreed with him about this in September of this year?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
oh well thankfully there’s precedent and now we don’t have to comply with environmental standards either
Err, he’s been on about it for since May last year.
against the environment more like last decade
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
I should pull my head in.
It’s not like i’ve never consumed a rodent.
they’re birds
I must remember to politely refuse any invitation that you issue to a chicken dinner.
but they said
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
oh well thankfully there’s precedent and now we don’t have to comply with environmental standards either
Err, he’s been on about it for since May last year.
against the environment more like last decade
Yes, but let’s address one point at a time. He’s wrong on most points, we can agree on that, but in the Covid inquiry case I’m giving him the nod.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:If Biden had called for it you would be full on supporting the concept. It’s only because it is scotty that you don’t agree with it.
Bullshit.
So you disagreed with him about this in September of this year?
Bullshit that I would support the concept if it were Biden’s. (I also have no problems doing further research and investigation although I don’t see how it will make anything better. But this I believe is only playing deflections…)
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:Good, China has refused to get involved even though there is international pressure on them to comply.
If Biden had called for it you would be full on supporting the concept. It’s only because it is scotty that you don’t agree with it.
Bullshit.
not that ‘e needs it but in sarahs mum’s defence we absolutely consider the demand for CHINA compliance with origins witchhunting to be entirely a scam, at least until the majority of demanding countries achieves pandemic control to a level on par if not better than West Taiwan / Mainland Taiwan level
note: bombarding said targets with bioweaponised forms of virus to spoil their control does not count
>He’s wrong on most points
He’s also creepy and keeps touching people because he thinks the Lord Jesus God is working through his special hands.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:sibeen said:
Err, he’s been on about it for since May last year.
against the environment more like last decade
Yes, but let’s address one point at a time. He’s wrong on most points, we can agree on that, but in the Covid inquiry case I’m giving him the nod.
Who cares? What makes it any different from Tony Abbott’s proposed carpark when Obama came to talk?
It is classic, “I’m not going to discuss the important issues to the rest of the world. I’m only ging to talk batshit crazy stuff, like what is important to the COALition”.
Bubblecar said:
>He’s wrong on most pointsHe’s also creepy and keeps touching people because he thinks the Lord Jesus God is working through his special hands.
He BELIEVES that he is the personification of Jesus on the hill.
Ah sorry, that was the fool on the hill.
Bubblecar said:
>He’s wrong on most pointsHe’s also creepy and keeps touching people because he thinks the Lord Jesus God is working through his special hands.
Are we allowed to give him a bitch slap from Jesus, I bet Jesus would bitch slap a few people for doing shit in his name
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:SCIENCE said:
they’re birds
I must remember to politely refuse any invitation that you issue to a chicken dinner.
but they said
Did you know that the Vatican once decided after much debate, that Catholics could not eat
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
against the environment more like last decade
Yes, but let’s address one point at a time. He’s wrong on most points, we can agree on that, but in the Covid inquiry case I’m giving him the nod.
Who cares? What makes it any different from Tony Abbott’s proposed carpark when Obama came to talk?
It is classic, “I’m not going to discuss the important issues to the rest of the world. I’m only ging to talk batshit crazy stuff, like what is important to the COALition”.
Well, they really are separate points. Why the media want to conflate them today is a matter we avoid commenting further on but we welcome the diversity of opinion on both points. We’ve stated our position.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:I must remember to politely refuse any invitation that you issue to a chicken dinner.
but they said
Did you know that the Vatican once decided after much debate, that Catholics could not eat
I don’t believe that.
Oops, hit ‘submit by accident.
Did you know that the Vatican once decided after much debate, that Catholics could not eat penguins on Fridays?
In the mid-19th century, some held that penguins were ‘birds’ (no-no), others that they are ‘fish’ (OK)
Vatican eventually went for ‘birds’.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
>He’s wrong on most pointsHe’s also creepy and keeps touching people because he thinks the Lord Jesus God is working through his special hands.
He BELIEVES that he is the personification of Jesus on the hill.
Ah sorry, that was the fool on the hill.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:If Biden had called for it you would be full on supporting the concept. It’s only because it is scotty that you don’t agree with it.
Bullshit.
not that ‘e needs it but in sarahs mum’s defence we absolutely consider the demand for CHINA compliance with origins witchhunting to be entirely a scam, at least until the majority of demanding countries achieves pandemic control to a level on par if not better than West Taiwan / Mainland Taiwan level
Why?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Bullshit.
not that ‘e needs it but in sarahs mum’s defence we absolutely consider the demand for CHINA compliance with origins witchhunting to be entirely a scam, at least until the majority of demanding countries achieves pandemic control to a level on par if not better than West Taiwan / Mainland Taiwan level
Why?
because ‘e’s perfectly capable of standing up for h’self
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
not that ‘e needs it but in sarahs mum’s defence we absolutely consider the demand for CHINA compliance with origins witchhunting to be entirely a scam, at least until the majority of demanding countries achieves pandemic control to a level on par if not better than West Taiwan / Mainland Taiwan level
Why?
because ‘e’s perfectly capable of standing up for h’self
Who’s he?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Why?
because ‘e’s perfectly capable of standing up for h’self
Who’s he?
the cat’s father.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:because ‘e’s perfectly capable of standing up for h’self
Who’s he?
the cat’s father.
Well, who’s that standing next to him, then?
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
Yes, but let’s address one point at a time. He’s wrong on most points, we can agree on that, but in the Covid inquiry case I’m giving him the nod.
Who cares? What makes it any different from Tony Abbott’s proposed carpark when Obama came to talk?
It is classic, “I’m not going to discuss the important issues to the rest of the world. I’m only ging to talk batshit crazy stuff, like what is important to the COALition”.
Well, they really are separate points. Why the media want to conflate them today is a matter we avoid commenting further on but we welcome the diversity of opinion on both points. We’ve stated our position.
:)
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Who’s he?
the cat’s father.
Well, who’s that standing next to him, then?
Where the bloody hell is he?
Sooty must be looking forward to Glasgow..
Ian said:
Sooty must be looking forward to Glasgow..
Fk that’s embarrassing for us on the world stage.
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
Sooty must be looking forward to Glasgow..
Fk that’s embarrassing for us on the world stage.
Also Italy.
Although in both cases it looks like a paid ad from the Australia institute.
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
Sooty must be looking forward to Glasgow..
Fk that’s embarrassing for us on the world stage.
If you voted for him, yeah.
PollBludger have put out their 2022 election preview
https://pollbludger.net/fed2022/Overview.htm?
It’s interesting that despite the ALP being 8% ahead in the 2PP polls, even if this were to eventuate it would still result in a bare majority of seats.
One nation or 8? COVID fuels Australian power shift toward states
Temporary internal border closures seen affecting country’s identity after pandemic
MITCH RYAN, Contributing writer
October 30, 2021 11:00 JST
MELBOURNE — Australian states’ tough internal border policies to fight COVID-19 have, at times, arguably split the nation into multiple mini-countries.
They have blocked a fully vaccinated Sydney woman from visiting her cancer-ridden daughter in the state of Victoria. They stopped a New South Wales baby from entering Queensland for a crucial brain scan. Starting Monday, Australians will be able to fly to places like London and Singapore as international travel gradually resumes, but east coast residents still cannot enter their own westernmost state even on compassionate grounds.
The fragmentation of the country during the pandemic is leading many to ask a question that could linger long after such rules are lifted entirely: What does it mean to be Australian?
Without an enshrined bill of rights like the U.S. or Canada, Australia’s six states and two territories have been able to implement unprecedented restrictions on their residents’ civil liberties, with some of the toughest lockdowns and health measures in the democratic world. This has been no clearer than when they have, at various points in the pandemic, closed their internal borders to other states in response to rising coronavirus cases. Some political veterans believe this could have consequences for governance and the national identity.
Since federation in 1901, power has almost exclusively shifted toward the central government, not away from it. Australia’s second prime minister, Alfred Deakin, once prophesized that the states would be “legally free, but financially bound to the chariot of the Commonwealth.”
Sure enough, Australia has one of the highest rates of “vertical fiscal imbalance” of any federation in the world, with nearly half of states’ funding coming from national grants. Until recently, the thinking was that although the states handled matters like health, education and law and order, the federal government could use its financial leverage to bend them to its will.
The pandemic has upended that notion.
This month, the premiers of the four most populous states — New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia — collectively topped The Australian Financial Review’s Power List. This marked the first time in over 20 years that the prime minister was not perceived as the nation’s most powerful figure by the influential newspaper.
“What the pandemic has taught us is that states have a lot more power than we probably realized,” said Judith Brett, a political scientist at La Trobe University in Melbourne. “We have a government that is weak and not very confident, and the states have stepped up.”
Despite the inconvenience of strict rules and strain on families, and scattered protests, polling by the Australia Institute shows a yawning divide in perceptions of government performance. In July, 42% said their state was doing a better job handling the crisis, versus just 16% for the federal administration. A different survey last year found broad support for state border closures, with 77% backing them.
The rush to seal off states did not sit well with all premiers. Shortly before her resignation over a corruption probe at the beginning of October, former New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian said, “I think every state has a responsibility to accept we are a nation, we’re a federation. We are all part of that family of Australians, proudly.”
Others have doubled down, however. The Western Australia government of Premier Mark McGowan currently deems Victoria and New South Wales “extreme risk” jurisdictions due to their large coronavirus case numbers, banning their residents from entering his state. McGowan is still pushing for a “COVID-zero” approach, while New South Wales and Victoria “learn to live” with the disease after reaching their 70% double vaccination targets.
“We’ll get to a reunion with people in NSW and Victoria sometime in the first half of next year,” McGowan said this week, according to local media. He also warned his state might enforce a hard border with others that reopen in time for Christmas, reports said. Western Australia had the biggest edge over the federal government in the poll on COVID-19 handling, at 61% to 11%.
Peter Beattie, a Labor Party veteran who was Queensland’s premier from 1998 to 2007, criticizes Liberal Prime Minister Scott Morrison for allowing states to “run off and control the agenda” by offloading key responsibilities for virus containment and overseeing an initially sluggish vaccine rollout. The federal government, Beattie said, “has got the power of money, they could have taken charge here if they had the courage and strength to lead, but they didn’t.”
Beattie quit politics while lamenting that states had become the “hand maiden” of the federal government. Now he has a different perspective. “The states have picked up the power and have used this power excessively, we have now paid an economic price,” he said. “When you are faced with a national crisis, you need a national response. The states have played crude politics that won over a lot of fearful and concerned Australians. Was it good for the federation? No.”
Under Australia’s constitution, the federal government can grant “financial assistance to any state on terms and conditions that it sees fit.” But Morrison, according to Corinna Economic Advisory principal Saul Eslake, has taken a no-strings-attached approach.
“He could, today, make it a condition of grants to the states that they completely open up when the national vaccination rate reaches 80%,” Eslake said. “He could do that, but he doesn’t want to, because he doesn’t stand for anything.”
La Trobe University’s Brett argued the roots of all this run deeper, dating back to the 1980s, when Australia began to privatize and outsource government services to boost economic growth and abandoned “nation-building policies.”
“With neoliberalism,” she said, “the federal government has stopped doing a lot of things it once did, so it has become a more hollowed-out level of government.”
Beyond the coronavirus response, the states have asserted themselves on climate and energy policy. All adopted their own net-zero emissions targets before Morrison’s government on Tuesday finally committed to carbon neutrality by 2050, albeit without legislating the goal.
Brett also noted that state-based loyalty is particularly strong in some regional parts of the country, including Western Australia and Tasmania, which have flirted with secessionist movements. Western Australia voted to leave the Commonwealth of Australia by a 2-to-1 margin in 1933, but the bid was rejected by the British parliament. The iron-ore-rich state has long harbored grievances against Canberra, arguing it contributes more to the federal coffers then it gets back and is ignored in favor of the larger population centers on the east coast.
Eslake said there are benefits to a multi-layered model of governance, with Australia’s large geographic size making a truly centralized model undesirable. While the national government holds the purse strings, he noted there is far less inequality between states compared with other federations.
“To a much greater extent than Canada, the United States, Germany, Switzerland, the federal government doles money out among the states in a way that equalizes the capacity of state governments to provide the services that state governments do,” he said. “That is an important reason why the gaps in living standards between our poorest and richest states is a lot less.”
Now that states are gradually easing restrictions as vaccination rates rise, professor Brett speculated that the power shift might “seem like a temporary abrogation when we learn to live with coronavirus, it might fade into the background.” Western Australia could end up a lonely outlier.
But some think states could use their elevated status in other ways. An Australia Institute paper in July suggested they could push for changes to federal-state financial arrangements, stronger climate change policies and other reforms. “The pandemic has highlighted that it is state and territory governments that are responsible for much of the infrastructure and services that Australians use day-to-day, and the evident popularity of state premiers and territory chief ministers may embolden them to take further action,” it said.
Former Queensland Premier Beattie senses a shift that will not be reversed anytime soon. “It will take a long time for the Commonwealth to reassert itself,” he said. “The real problem that worries me for my grandchildren is, how the heck do we rebuild the federation and the nation?”
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/One-nation-or-8-COVID-fuels-Australian-power-shift-toward-states?
Witty Rejoinder said:
One nation or 8? COVID fuels Australian power shift toward states
Temporary internal border closures seen affecting country’s identity after pandemicMITCH RYAN, Contributing writer
October 30, 2021 11:00 JSTMELBOURNE — Australian states’ tough internal border policies to fight COVID-19 have, at times, arguably split the nation into multiple mini-countries.
They have blocked a fully vaccinated Sydney woman from visiting her cancer-ridden daughter in the state of Victoria. They stopped a New South Wales baby from entering Queensland for a crucial brain scan. Starting Monday, Australians will be able to fly to places like London and Singapore as international travel gradually resumes, but east coast residents still cannot enter their own westernmost state even on compassionate grounds.
The fragmentation of the country during the pandemic is leading many to ask a question that could linger long after such rules are lifted entirely: What does it mean to be Australian?
Without an enshrined bill of rights like the U.S. or Canada, Australia’s six states and two territories have been able to implement unprecedented restrictions on their residents’ civil liberties, with some of the toughest lockdowns and health measures in the democratic world. This has been no clearer than when they have, at various points in the pandemic, closed their internal borders to other states in response to rising coronavirus cases. Some political veterans believe this could have consequences for governance and the national identity.
Since federation in 1901, power has almost exclusively shifted toward the central government, not away from it. Australia’s second prime minister, Alfred Deakin, once prophesized that the states would be “legally free, but financially bound to the chariot of the Commonwealth.”
Sure enough, Australia has one of the highest rates of “vertical fiscal imbalance” of any federation in the world, with nearly half of states’ funding coming from national grants. Until recently, the thinking was that although the states handled matters like health, education and law and order, the federal government could use its financial leverage to bend them to its will.
The pandemic has upended that notion.
This month, the premiers of the four most populous states — New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia — collectively topped The Australian Financial Review’s Power List. This marked the first time in over 20 years that the prime minister was not perceived as the nation’s most powerful figure by the influential newspaper.
“What the pandemic has taught us is that states have a lot more power than we probably realized,” said Judith Brett, a political scientist at La Trobe University in Melbourne. “We have a government that is weak and not very confident, and the states have stepped up.”
Despite the inconvenience of strict rules and strain on families, and scattered protests, polling by the Australia Institute shows a yawning divide in perceptions of government performance. In July, 42% said their state was doing a better job handling the crisis, versus just 16% for the federal administration. A different survey last year found broad support for state border closures, with 77% backing them.
The rush to seal off states did not sit well with all premiers. Shortly before her resignation over a corruption probe at the beginning of October, former New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian said, “I think every state has a responsibility to accept we are a nation, we’re a federation. We are all part of that family of Australians, proudly.”
Others have doubled down, however. The Western Australia government of Premier Mark McGowan currently deems Victoria and New South Wales “extreme risk” jurisdictions due to their large coronavirus case numbers, banning their residents from entering his state. McGowan is still pushing for a “COVID-zero” approach, while New South Wales and Victoria “learn to live” with the disease after reaching their 70% double vaccination targets.
“We’ll get to a reunion with people in NSW and Victoria sometime in the first half of next year,” McGowan said this week, according to local media. He also warned his state might enforce a hard border with others that reopen in time for Christmas, reports said. Western Australia had the biggest edge over the federal government in the poll on COVID-19 handling, at 61% to 11%.
Peter Beattie, a Labor Party veteran who was Queensland’s premier from 1998 to 2007, criticizes Liberal Prime Minister Scott Morrison for allowing states to “run off and control the agenda” by offloading key responsibilities for virus containment and overseeing an initially sluggish vaccine rollout. The federal government, Beattie said, “has got the power of money, they could have taken charge here if they had the courage and strength to lead, but they didn’t.”
Beattie quit politics while lamenting that states had become the “hand maiden” of the federal government. Now he has a different perspective. “The states have picked up the power and have used this power excessively, we have now paid an economic price,” he said. “When you are faced with a national crisis, you need a national response. The states have played crude politics that won over a lot of fearful and concerned Australians. Was it good for the federation? No.”
Under Australia’s constitution, the federal government can grant “financial assistance to any state on terms and conditions that it sees fit.” But Morrison, according to Corinna Economic Advisory principal Saul Eslake, has taken a no-strings-attached approach.
“He could, today, make it a condition of grants to the states that they completely open up when the national vaccination rate reaches 80%,” Eslake said. “He could do that, but he doesn’t want to, because he doesn’t stand for anything.”
La Trobe University’s Brett argued the roots of all this run deeper, dating back to the 1980s, when Australia began to privatize and outsource government services to boost economic growth and abandoned “nation-building policies.”
“With neoliberalism,” she said, “the federal government has stopped doing a lot of things it once did, so it has become a more hollowed-out level of government.”
Beyond the coronavirus response, the states have asserted themselves on climate and energy policy. All adopted their own net-zero emissions targets before Morrison’s government on Tuesday finally committed to carbon neutrality by 2050, albeit without legislating the goal.
Brett also noted that state-based loyalty is particularly strong in some regional parts of the country, including Western Australia and Tasmania, which have flirted with secessionist movements. Western Australia voted to leave the Commonwealth of Australia by a 2-to-1 margin in 1933, but the bid was rejected by the British parliament. The iron-ore-rich state has long harbored grievances against Canberra, arguing it contributes more to the federal coffers then it gets back and is ignored in favor of the larger population centers on the east coast.
Eslake said there are benefits to a multi-layered model of governance, with Australia’s large geographic size making a truly centralized model undesirable. While the national government holds the purse strings, he noted there is far less inequality between states compared with other federations.
“To a much greater extent than Canada, the United States, Germany, Switzerland, the federal government doles money out among the states in a way that equalizes the capacity of state governments to provide the services that state governments do,” he said. “That is an important reason why the gaps in living standards between our poorest and richest states is a lot less.”
Now that states are gradually easing restrictions as vaccination rates rise, professor Brett speculated that the power shift might “seem like a temporary abrogation when we learn to live with coronavirus, it might fade into the background.” Western Australia could end up a lonely outlier.
But some think states could use their elevated status in other ways. An Australia Institute paper in July suggested they could push for changes to federal-state financial arrangements, stronger climate change policies and other reforms. “The pandemic has highlighted that it is state and territory governments that are responsible for much of the infrastructure and services that Australians use day-to-day, and the evident popularity of state premiers and territory chief ministers may embolden them to take further action,” it said.
Former Queensland Premier Beattie senses a shift that will not be reversed anytime soon. “It will take a long time for the Commonwealth to reassert itself,” he said. “The real problem that worries me for my grandchildren is, how the heck do we rebuild the federation and the nation?”
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/One-nation-or-8-COVID-fuels-Australian-power-shift-toward-states?
The most successful country in the developed world, covidwise, (arguably), has a unitary government rather than a federation.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
One nation or 8? COVID fuels Australian power shift toward states
Temporary internal border closures seen affecting country’s identity after pandemicMITCH RYAN, Contributing writer
October 30, 2021 11:00 JSTMELBOURNE — Australian states’ tough internal border policies to fight COVID-19 have, at times, arguably split the nation into multiple mini-countries.
They have blocked a fully vaccinated Sydney woman from visiting her cancer-ridden daughter in the state of Victoria. They stopped a New South Wales baby from entering Queensland for a crucial brain scan. Starting Monday, Australians will be able to fly to places like London and Singapore as international travel gradually resumes, but east coast residents still cannot enter their own westernmost state even on compassionate grounds.
The fragmentation of the country during the pandemic is leading many to ask a question that could linger long after such rules are lifted entirely: What does it mean to be Australian?
Without an enshrined bill of rights like the U.S. or Canada, Australia’s six states and two territories have been able to implement unprecedented restrictions on their residents’ civil liberties, with some of the toughest lockdowns and health measures in the democratic world. This has been no clearer than when they have, at various points in the pandemic, closed their internal borders to other states in response to rising coronavirus cases. Some political veterans believe this could have consequences for governance and the national identity.
Since federation in 1901, power has almost exclusively shifted toward the central government, not away from it. Australia’s second prime minister, Alfred Deakin, once prophesized that the states would be “legally free, but financially bound to the chariot of the Commonwealth.”
Sure enough, Australia has one of the highest rates of “vertical fiscal imbalance” of any federation in the world, with nearly half of states’ funding coming from national grants. Until recently, the thinking was that although the states handled matters like health, education and law and order, the federal government could use its financial leverage to bend them to its will.
The pandemic has upended that notion.
This month, the premiers of the four most populous states — New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia — collectively topped The Australian Financial Review’s Power List. This marked the first time in over 20 years that the prime minister was not perceived as the nation’s most powerful figure by the influential newspaper.
“What the pandemic has taught us is that states have a lot more power than we probably realized,” said Judith Brett, a political scientist at La Trobe University in Melbourne. “We have a government that is weak and not very confident, and the states have stepped up.”
Despite the inconvenience of strict rules and strain on families, and scattered protests, polling by the Australia Institute shows a yawning divide in perceptions of government performance. In July, 42% said their state was doing a better job handling the crisis, versus just 16% for the federal administration. A different survey last year found broad support for state border closures, with 77% backing them.
The rush to seal off states did not sit well with all premiers. Shortly before her resignation over a corruption probe at the beginning of October, former New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian said, “I think every state has a responsibility to accept we are a nation, we’re a federation. We are all part of that family of Australians, proudly.”
Others have doubled down, however. The Western Australia government of Premier Mark McGowan currently deems Victoria and New South Wales “extreme risk” jurisdictions due to their large coronavirus case numbers, banning their residents from entering his state. McGowan is still pushing for a “COVID-zero” approach, while New South Wales and Victoria “learn to live” with the disease after reaching their 70% double vaccination targets.
“We’ll get to a reunion with people in NSW and Victoria sometime in the first half of next year,” McGowan said this week, according to local media. He also warned his state might enforce a hard border with others that reopen in time for Christmas, reports said. Western Australia had the biggest edge over the federal government in the poll on COVID-19 handling, at 61% to 11%.
Peter Beattie, a Labor Party veteran who was Queensland’s premier from 1998 to 2007, criticizes Liberal Prime Minister Scott Morrison for allowing states to “run off and control the agenda” by offloading key responsibilities for virus containment and overseeing an initially sluggish vaccine rollout. The federal government, Beattie said, “has got the power of money, they could have taken charge here if they had the courage and strength to lead, but they didn’t.”
Beattie quit politics while lamenting that states had become the “hand maiden” of the federal government. Now he has a different perspective. “The states have picked up the power and have used this power excessively, we have now paid an economic price,” he said. “When you are faced with a national crisis, you need a national response. The states have played crude politics that won over a lot of fearful and concerned Australians. Was it good for the federation? No.”
Under Australia’s constitution, the federal government can grant “financial assistance to any state on terms and conditions that it sees fit.” But Morrison, according to Corinna Economic Advisory principal Saul Eslake, has taken a no-strings-attached approach.
“He could, today, make it a condition of grants to the states that they completely open up when the national vaccination rate reaches 80%,” Eslake said. “He could do that, but he doesn’t want to, because he doesn’t stand for anything.”
La Trobe University’s Brett argued the roots of all this run deeper, dating back to the 1980s, when Australia began to privatize and outsource government services to boost economic growth and abandoned “nation-building policies.”
“With neoliberalism,” she said, “the federal government has stopped doing a lot of things it once did, so it has become a more hollowed-out level of government.”
Beyond the coronavirus response, the states have asserted themselves on climate and energy policy. All adopted their own net-zero emissions targets before Morrison’s government on Tuesday finally committed to carbon neutrality by 2050, albeit without legislating the goal.
Brett also noted that state-based loyalty is particularly strong in some regional parts of the country, including Western Australia and Tasmania, which have flirted with secessionist movements. Western Australia voted to leave the Commonwealth of Australia by a 2-to-1 margin in 1933, but the bid was rejected by the British parliament. The iron-ore-rich state has long harbored grievances against Canberra, arguing it contributes more to the federal coffers then it gets back and is ignored in favor of the larger population centers on the east coast.
Eslake said there are benefits to a multi-layered model of governance, with Australia’s large geographic size making a truly centralized model undesirable. While the national government holds the purse strings, he noted there is far less inequality between states compared with other federations.
“To a much greater extent than Canada, the United States, Germany, Switzerland, the federal government doles money out among the states in a way that equalizes the capacity of state governments to provide the services that state governments do,” he said. “That is an important reason why the gaps in living standards between our poorest and richest states is a lot less.”
Now that states are gradually easing restrictions as vaccination rates rise, professor Brett speculated that the power shift might “seem like a temporary abrogation when we learn to live with coronavirus, it might fade into the background.” Western Australia could end up a lonely outlier.
But some think states could use their elevated status in other ways. An Australia Institute paper in July suggested they could push for changes to federal-state financial arrangements, stronger climate change policies and other reforms. “The pandemic has highlighted that it is state and territory governments that are responsible for much of the infrastructure and services that Australians use day-to-day, and the evident popularity of state premiers and territory chief ministers may embolden them to take further action,” it said.
Former Queensland Premier Beattie senses a shift that will not be reversed anytime soon. “It will take a long time for the Commonwealth to reassert itself,” he said. “The real problem that worries me for my grandchildren is, how the heck do we rebuild the federation and the nation?”
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/One-nation-or-8-COVID-fuels-Australian-power-shift-toward-states?
The most successful country in the developed world, covidwise, (arguably), has a unitary government rather than a federation.
Which country are you referring to?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
One nation or 8? COVID fuels Australian power shift toward states
Temporary internal border closures seen affecting country’s identity after pandemicMITCH RYAN, Contributing writer
October 30, 2021 11:00 JSTMELBOURNE — Australian states’ tough internal border policies to fight COVID-19 have, at times, arguably split the nation into multiple mini-countries.
They have blocked a fully vaccinated Sydney woman from visiting her cancer-ridden daughter in the state of Victoria. They stopped a New South Wales baby from entering Queensland for a crucial brain scan. Starting Monday, Australians will be able to fly to places like London and Singapore as international travel gradually resumes, but east coast residents still cannot enter their own westernmost state even on compassionate grounds.
The fragmentation of the country during the pandemic is leading many to ask a question that could linger long after such rules are lifted entirely: What does it mean to be Australian?
Without an enshrined bill of rights like the U.S. or Canada, Australia’s six states and two territories have been able to implement unprecedented restrictions on their residents’ civil liberties, with some of the toughest lockdowns and health measures in the democratic world. This has been no clearer than when they have, at various points in the pandemic, closed their internal borders to other states in response to rising coronavirus cases. Some political veterans believe this could have consequences for governance and the national identity.
Since federation in 1901, power has almost exclusively shifted toward the central government, not away from it. Australia’s second prime minister, Alfred Deakin, once prophesized that the states would be “legally free, but financially bound to the chariot of the Commonwealth.”
Sure enough, Australia has one of the highest rates of “vertical fiscal imbalance” of any federation in the world, with nearly half of states’ funding coming from national grants. Until recently, the thinking was that although the states handled matters like health, education and law and order, the federal government could use its financial leverage to bend them to its will.
The pandemic has upended that notion.
This month, the premiers of the four most populous states — New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia — collectively topped The Australian Financial Review’s Power List. This marked the first time in over 20 years that the prime minister was not perceived as the nation’s most powerful figure by the influential newspaper.
“What the pandemic has taught us is that states have a lot more power than we probably realized,” said Judith Brett, a political scientist at La Trobe University in Melbourne. “We have a government that is weak and not very confident, and the states have stepped up.”
Despite the inconvenience of strict rules and strain on families, and scattered protests, polling by the Australia Institute shows a yawning divide in perceptions of government performance. In July, 42% said their state was doing a better job handling the crisis, versus just 16% for the federal administration. A different survey last year found broad support for state border closures, with 77% backing them.
The rush to seal off states did not sit well with all premiers. Shortly before her resignation over a corruption probe at the beginning of October, former New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian said, “I think every state has a responsibility to accept we are a nation, we’re a federation. We are all part of that family of Australians, proudly.”
Others have doubled down, however. The Western Australia government of Premier Mark McGowan currently deems Victoria and New South Wales “extreme risk” jurisdictions due to their large coronavirus case numbers, banning their residents from entering his state. McGowan is still pushing for a “COVID-zero” approach, while New South Wales and Victoria “learn to live” with the disease after reaching their 70% double vaccination targets.
“We’ll get to a reunion with people in NSW and Victoria sometime in the first half of next year,” McGowan said this week, according to local media. He also warned his state might enforce a hard border with others that reopen in time for Christmas, reports said. Western Australia had the biggest edge over the federal government in the poll on COVID-19 handling, at 61% to 11%.
Peter Beattie, a Labor Party veteran who was Queensland’s premier from 1998 to 2007, criticizes Liberal Prime Minister Scott Morrison for allowing states to “run off and control the agenda” by offloading key responsibilities for virus containment and overseeing an initially sluggish vaccine rollout. The federal government, Beattie said, “has got the power of money, they could have taken charge here if they had the courage and strength to lead, but they didn’t.”
Beattie quit politics while lamenting that states had become the “hand maiden” of the federal government. Now he has a different perspective. “The states have picked up the power and have used this power excessively, we have now paid an economic price,” he said. “When you are faced with a national crisis, you need a national response. The states have played crude politics that won over a lot of fearful and concerned Australians. Was it good for the federation? No.”
Under Australia’s constitution, the federal government can grant “financial assistance to any state on terms and conditions that it sees fit.” But Morrison, according to Corinna Economic Advisory principal Saul Eslake, has taken a no-strings-attached approach.
“He could, today, make it a condition of grants to the states that they completely open up when the national vaccination rate reaches 80%,” Eslake said. “He could do that, but he doesn’t want to, because he doesn’t stand for anything.”
La Trobe University’s Brett argued the roots of all this run deeper, dating back to the 1980s, when Australia began to privatize and outsource government services to boost economic growth and abandoned “nation-building policies.”
“With neoliberalism,” she said, “the federal government has stopped doing a lot of things it once did, so it has become a more hollowed-out level of government.”
Beyond the coronavirus response, the states have asserted themselves on climate and energy policy. All adopted their own net-zero emissions targets before Morrison’s government on Tuesday finally committed to carbon neutrality by 2050, albeit without legislating the goal.
Brett also noted that state-based loyalty is particularly strong in some regional parts of the country, including Western Australia and Tasmania, which have flirted with secessionist movements. Western Australia voted to leave the Commonwealth of Australia by a 2-to-1 margin in 1933, but the bid was rejected by the British parliament. The iron-ore-rich state has long harbored grievances against Canberra, arguing it contributes more to the federal coffers then it gets back and is ignored in favor of the larger population centers on the east coast.
Eslake said there are benefits to a multi-layered model of governance, with Australia’s large geographic size making a truly centralized model undesirable. While the national government holds the purse strings, he noted there is far less inequality between states compared with other federations.
“To a much greater extent than Canada, the United States, Germany, Switzerland, the federal government doles money out among the states in a way that equalizes the capacity of state governments to provide the services that state governments do,” he said. “That is an important reason why the gaps in living standards between our poorest and richest states is a lot less.”
Now that states are gradually easing restrictions as vaccination rates rise, professor Brett speculated that the power shift might “seem like a temporary abrogation when we learn to live with coronavirus, it might fade into the background.” Western Australia could end up a lonely outlier.
But some think states could use their elevated status in other ways. An Australia Institute paper in July suggested they could push for changes to federal-state financial arrangements, stronger climate change policies and other reforms. “The pandemic has highlighted that it is state and territory governments that are responsible for much of the infrastructure and services that Australians use day-to-day, and the evident popularity of state premiers and territory chief ministers may embolden them to take further action,” it said.
Former Queensland Premier Beattie senses a shift that will not be reversed anytime soon. “It will take a long time for the Commonwealth to reassert itself,” he said. “The real problem that worries me for my grandchildren is, how the heck do we rebuild the federation and the nation?”
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/One-nation-or-8-COVID-fuels-Australian-power-shift-toward-states?
The most successful country in the developed world, covidwise, (arguably), has a unitary government rather than a federation.
Which country are you referring to?
NZ
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
The most successful country in the developed world, covidwise, (arguably), has a unitary government rather than a federation.
Which country are you referring to?
NZ
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Which country are you referring to?
NZ
this NZ
Well I didn’t mean north Zambia, did I?
https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/pressed-at-senate-estimates-morrison-government-reveals-the-promises-they-made-to-women-are-smoke-and-mirrors/
Boris said:
treat ‘em mean keep ‘em keen
BOOM
Jeannette Young sworn in as the 27th Governor of Queensland
SCIENCE said:
BOOMJeannette Young sworn in as the 27th Governor of Queensland
Here’s to a healthy government.
Boris said:
Religious discrimination bill: The devil is in the details
Headline says I don’t need to read the details.
The redistribution has perhaps done Labor a favour in that abolished seat in WA (Stirling) was a Liberal seat, and that created in Victoria (Hawke) appears to lean ALP, but when you take into account the marginal shifts in the other seats it is probably about even.
There’s been a 9% swing in polling in WA to ALP since the last federal election. There’s been a hint of a swing to ALP in SA. There’s been maybe a 3% to ALP in Qld, about the same in Victoria. There’s been about a 1% swing to Liberals in NSW: will the corruption scandal hurt them in the federal election? I don’t know.
If there were uniform state swings that are indicated by the current polls, these are the seats we would expect to change hands.
Hasluck WA to ALP
Pierce WA to ALP
Swan WA to ALP
Boothby SA to ALP
Chisholm Vic to ALP
Macquarie NSW to Libs
Central Alliance’s star seems to have faded so I’d expect Mayo to return to it’s rightful owners the Liberal party.
Probably also expect Libs to pick up Eden Monaro due to the loss of a popular member. It might be that Hunter is also vulnerable but we’ll see.
There’s been too little polling in Tasmania to say much. Bass, currently on a 0.4% margin for the Libs, might seem like low hanging fruit, but there may well be no swing to the ALP in Tasmania. There may also be one or two losses by ALP to the Greens but that’s not going to affect the overall balance. Despite the swing in Qld it wouldn’t result in any gains for the ALP just because there aren’t any very marginal seats held by the LNP.
Let’s suppose Steggal, Wilkie and Haines hold on.
So this leaves us with 74 Coalition, 72 ALP, 1 Green, 1 KAP, 3 Independents
So even at this high ebb in the polls, where the national polling is around 54-46 for ALP, the expected outcome is on a knife edge. Yes, ALP could pick up Bass or Longman, but equally the Libs could get Warringah back or collect Hunter.
dv said:
The redistribution has perhaps done Labor a favour in that abolished seat in WA (Stirling) was a Liberal seat, and that created in Victoria (Hawke) appears to lean ALP, but when you take into account the marginal shifts in the other seats it is probably about even.There’s been a 9% swing in polling in WA to ALP since the last federal election. There’s been a hint of a swing to ALP in SA. There’s been maybe a 3% to ALP in Qld, about the same in Victoria. There’s been about a 1% swing to Liberals in NSW: will the corruption scandal hurt them in the federal election? I don’t know.
If there were uniform state swings that are indicated by the current polls, these are the seats we would expect to change hands.
Hasluck WA to ALP
Pierce WA to ALP
Swan WA to ALP
Boothby SA to ALP
Chisholm Vic to ALP
Macquarie NSW to LibsCentral Alliance’s star seems to have faded so I’d expect Mayo to return to it’s rightful owners the Liberal party.
Probably also expect Libs to pick up Eden Monaro due to the loss of a popular member. It might be that Hunter is also vulnerable but we’ll see.
There’s been too little polling in Tasmania to say much. Bass, currently on a 0.4% margin for the Libs, might seem like low hanging fruit, but there may well be no swing to the ALP in Tasmania. There may also be one or two losses by ALP to the Greens but that’s not going to affect the overall balance. Despite the swing in Qld it wouldn’t result in any gains for the ALP just because there aren’t any very marginal seats held by the LNP.
Let’s suppose Steggal, Wilkie and Haines hold on.So this leaves us with 74 Coalition, 72 ALP, 1 Green, 1 KAP, 3 Independents
So even at this high ebb in the polls, where the national polling is around 54-46 for ALP, the expected outcome is on a knife edge. Yes, ALP could pick up Bass or Longman, but equally the Libs could get Warringah back or collect Hunter.
Thanks, Antony.
dv said:
The redistribution has perhaps done Labor a favour in that abolished seat in WA (Stirling) was a Liberal seat, and that created in Victoria (Hawke) appears to lean ALP, but when you take into account the marginal shifts in the other seats it is probably about even.There’s been a 9% swing in polling in WA to ALP since the last federal election. There’s been a hint of a swing to ALP in SA. There’s been maybe a 3% to ALP in Qld, about the same in Victoria. There’s been about a 1% swing to Liberals in NSW: will the corruption scandal hurt them in the federal election? I don’t know.
If there were uniform state swings that are indicated by the current polls, these are the seats we would expect to change hands.
Hasluck WA to ALP
Pierce WA to ALP
Swan WA to ALP
Boothby SA to ALP
Chisholm Vic to ALP
Macquarie NSW to LibsCentral Alliance’s star seems to have faded so I’d expect Mayo to return to it’s rightful owners the Liberal party.
Probably also expect Libs to pick up Eden Monaro due to the loss of a popular member. It might be that Hunter is also vulnerable but we’ll see.
There’s been too little polling in Tasmania to say much. Bass, currently on a 0.4% margin for the Libs, might seem like low hanging fruit, but there may well be no swing to the ALP in Tasmania. There may also be one or two losses by ALP to the Greens but that’s not going to affect the overall balance. Despite the swing in Qld it wouldn’t result in any gains for the ALP just because there aren’t any very marginal seats held by the LNP.
Let’s suppose Steggal, Wilkie and Haines hold on.So this leaves us with 74 Coalition, 72 ALP, 1 Green, 1 KAP, 3 Independents
So even at this high ebb in the polls, where the national polling is around 54-46 for ALP, the expected outcome is on a knife edge. Yes, ALP could pick up Bass or Longman, but equally the Libs could get Warringah back or collect Hunter.
Bass might be affected by the indue card shit. Lots of vocal from that region. so many aged pensioners…
Actually I miscalculated the swing in NSW but it doesn’t change the overall story much
CLive palmer get so many more clicks than Albanese. If albanese wins it will be Morrison losing.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The redistribution has perhaps done Labor a favour in that abolished seat in WA (Stirling) was a Liberal seat, and that created in Victoria (Hawke) appears to lean ALP, but when you take into account the marginal shifts in the other seats it is probably about even.There’s been a 9% swing in polling in WA to ALP since the last federal election. There’s been a hint of a swing to ALP in SA. There’s been maybe a 3% to ALP in Qld, about the same in Victoria. There’s been about a 1% swing to Liberals in NSW: will the corruption scandal hurt them in the federal election? I don’t know.
If there were uniform state swings that are indicated by the current polls, these are the seats we would expect to change hands.
Hasluck WA to ALP
Pierce WA to ALP
Swan WA to ALP
Boothby SA to ALP
Chisholm Vic to ALP
Macquarie NSW to LibsCentral Alliance’s star seems to have faded so I’d expect Mayo to return to it’s rightful owners the Liberal party.
Probably also expect Libs to pick up Eden Monaro due to the loss of a popular member. It might be that Hunter is also vulnerable but we’ll see.
There’s been too little polling in Tasmania to say much. Bass, currently on a 0.4% margin for the Libs, might seem like low hanging fruit, but there may well be no swing to the ALP in Tasmania. There may also be one or two losses by ALP to the Greens but that’s not going to affect the overall balance. Despite the swing in Qld it wouldn’t result in any gains for the ALP just because there aren’t any very marginal seats held by the LNP.
Let’s suppose Steggal, Wilkie and Haines hold on.So this leaves us with 74 Coalition, 72 ALP, 1 Green, 1 KAP, 3 Independents
So even at this high ebb in the polls, where the national polling is around 54-46 for ALP, the expected outcome is on a knife edge. Yes, ALP could pick up Bass or Longman, but equally the Libs could get Warringah back or collect Hunter.
Bass might be affected by the indue card shit. Lots of vocal from that region. so many aged pensioners…
Simply put, if they get away with it, we will all be affected, in effect.
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine deal
Fer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/scott-morrison-rejects-emmanuel-macrons-accusations-of-lying/100586680
Saw some footage of Morrison on the news last night. I heard him say something along the lines of Macron should have “read between the lines” at the dinner mentioned in the above ABC piece. “read between the lines”?! Mr buffy and I looked at each other in pure incredulity.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/scott-morrison-rejects-emmanuel-macrons-accusations-of-lying/100586680Saw some footage of Morrison on the news last night. I heard him say something along the lines of Macron should have “read between the lines” at the dinner mentioned in the above ABC piece. “read between the lines”?! Mr buffy and I looked at each other in pure incredulity.
There’s nothing between Scomo’s lines.
and he isn’t doing it for all Australians either.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Saw some footage of Morrison on the news last night. I heard him say something along the lines of Macron should have “read between the lines” at the dinner mentioned in the above ABC piece. “read between the lines”?! Mr buffy and I looked at each other in pure incredulity.
There’s nothing between Scomo’s lines.
and he isn’t doing it for all Australians either.
don’t worry the voters would love to have him back for another round
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:buffy said:
Saw some footage of Morrison on the news last night. I heard him say something along the lines of Macron should have “read between the lines” at the dinner mentioned in the above ABC piece. “read between the lines”?! Mr buffy and I looked at each other in pure incredulity.
There’s nothing between Scomo’s lines.
and he isn’t doing it for all Australians either.
don’t worry the voters would love to have him back for another round
“How good is that.”
roughbarked said:
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine dealFer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
It’s just more distraction.
Try to divert Australian media’s attention to his status as ‘victim’ of Macron’s ‘vindictiveness’, rather than the reality of his status as a pariah at G20 and COP26.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:There’s nothing between Scomo’s lines.
and he isn’t doing it for all Australians either.
don’t worry the voters would love to have him back for another round
“How good is that.”
Sounds like more of the same.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine dealFer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
It’s just more distraction.
Try to divert Australian media’s attention to his status as ‘victim’ of Macron’s ‘vindictiveness’, rather than the reality of his status as a pariah at G20 and COP26.
The commercial media iin Australia will pad that out a bit more. This morning they were actually querying the reasoning behind the ICAC’s treatment of Gladys.
I think Gladys genuinely believes she has done no wrong; in her eyes, political pork-barrelling is not wrong.
Michael V said:
I think Gladys genuinely believes she has done no wrong; in her eyes, political pork-barrelling is not wrong.
Well, she did go to pork barrelling school.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/02/gladys-berejiklian-says-pork-barrelling-would-not-be-a-surprise-to-anybody-but-its-not-democracy-either
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine dealFer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
It’s just more distraction.
Try to divert Australian media’s attention to his status as ‘victim’ of Macron’s ‘vindictiveness’, rather than the reality of his status as a pariah at G20 and COP26.
The commercial media iin Australia will pad that out a bit more. This morning they were actually querying the reasoning behind the ICAC’s treatment of Gladys.
Two reasons:
1. That’s their job
2. Gladys willingly stepped in the shit, it’s no good her complaining about the smell now.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
I think Gladys genuinely believes she has done no wrong; in her eyes, political pork-barrelling is not wrong.
Well, she did go to pork barrelling school.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/02/gladys-berejiklian-says-pork-barrelling-would-not-be-a-surprise-to-anybody-but-its-not-democracy-either
The one thing they didn’t teach her was the difference between doing it, and being caught doing it.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:don’t worry the voters would love to have him back for another round
“How good is that.”
Sounds like more of the same.
Morrison 2022 Johnson Trump 2024 The World Will Be Greater Than Ever Before
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:It’s just more distraction.
Try to divert Australian media’s attention to his status as ‘victim’ of Macron’s ‘vindictiveness’, rather than the reality of his status as a pariah at G20 and COP26.
The commercial media iin Australia will pad that out a bit more. This morning they were actually querying the reasoning behind the ICAC’s treatment of Gladys.
Two reasons:
1. That’s their job
2. Gladys willingly stepped in the shit, it’s no good her complaining about the smell now.
to sum up, yes.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:“How good is that.”
Sounds like more of the same.
Morrison 2022 Johnson Trump 2024 The World Will Be Greater Than Ever Before
How is deeper in the shit even conscionable?
Boris said:
Religious discrimination bill: The devil is in the details
Skimmed that, but it didn’t seem to have anything to say about the detail.
But I’m all in favour of legislation that protects the non-religious and religious minorities from discrimination by the “majority” religious groups.
That is what it’s all about isn’t it?
Macron also took these further steps to ensure his message did not get lost in translation:
He made the comments in English. The French President speaks English but usually uses French, the language of the republic he represents. Using English was a way of speaking to Australians directly, rather than having a voiceover doing a translation from the French.
He spoke to the media of a foreign country – usually a world leader would not engage informally with media from other countries. This is done formally, at joint press conferences.
He did not use “diplo-speak”. Macron is a highly educated, polished politician who knows how to choose his words and send subtle messages. This message was deliberately blunt.
https://theconversation.com/i-dont-think-i-know-what-makes-macrons-comments-about-morrison-so-extraordinary-and-so-worrying-170947
Boris said:
Macron also took these further steps to ensure his message did not get lost in translation:He made the comments in English. The French President speaks English but usually uses French, the language of the republic he represents. Using English was a way of speaking to Australians directly, rather than having a voiceover doing a translation from the French.
He spoke to the media of a foreign country – usually a world leader would not engage informally with media from other countries. This is done formally, at joint press conferences.
He did not use “diplo-speak”. Macron is a highly educated, polished politician who knows how to choose his words and send subtle messages. This message was deliberately blunt.
https://theconversation.com/i-dont-think-i-know-what-makes-macrons-comments-about-morrison-so-extraordinary-and-so-worrying-170947
Yes but Scomo doesn’t want to listen to anything other than his own voice because it is the song of the fool on the hill.
Boris said:
Macron also took these further steps to ensure his message did not get lost in translation:He made the comments in English. The French President speaks English but usually uses French, the language of the republic he represents. Using English was a way of speaking to Australians directly, rather than having a voiceover doing a translation from the French.
He spoke to the media of a foreign country – usually a world leader would not engage informally with media from other countries. This is done formally, at joint press conferences.
He did not use “diplo-speak”. Macron is a highly educated, polished politician who knows how to choose his words and send subtle messages. This message was deliberately blunt.
https://theconversation.com/i-dont-think-i-know-what-makes-macrons-comments-about-morrison-so-extraordinary-and-so-worrying-170947
Yeah he’s really lost it, I guess the Europeans and especially the French are not used to having an ex colonial nation telling them to pull their head in.
Boris said:
Macron also took these further steps to ensure his message did not get lost in translation:He made the comments in English. The French President speaks English but usually uses French, the language of the republic he represents. Using English was a way of speaking to Australians directly, rather than having a voiceover doing a translation from the French.
He spoke to the media of a foreign country – usually a world leader would not engage informally with media from other countries. This is done formally, at joint press conferences.
He did not use “diplo-speak”. Macron is a highly educated, polished politician who knows how to choose his words and send subtle messages. This message was deliberately blunt.
https://theconversation.com/i-dont-think-i-know-what-makes-macrons-comments-about-morrison-so-extraordinary-and-so-worrying-170947
Sounds reasonable.
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Macron also took these further steps to ensure his message did not get lost in translation:He made the comments in English. The French President speaks English but usually uses French, the language of the republic he represents. Using English was a way of speaking to Australians directly, rather than having a voiceover doing a translation from the French.
He spoke to the media of a foreign country – usually a world leader would not engage informally with media from other countries. This is done formally, at joint press conferences.
He did not use “diplo-speak”. Macron is a highly educated, polished politician who knows how to choose his words and send subtle messages. This message was deliberately blunt.
https://theconversation.com/i-dont-think-i-know-what-makes-macrons-comments-about-morrison-so-extraordinary-and-so-worrying-170947
Yeah he’s really lost it, I guess the Europeans and especially the French are not used to having an ex colonial nation telling them to pull their head in.
Good morning Mr PWM.
I know it’s your job, but sometimes you take these ironic/satirical comments just a little too far.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Boris said:
Macron also took these further steps to ensure his message did not get lost in translation:He made the comments in English. The French President speaks English but usually uses French, the language of the republic he represents. Using English was a way of speaking to Australians directly, rather than having a voiceover doing a translation from the French.
He spoke to the media of a foreign country – usually a world leader would not engage informally with media from other countries. This is done formally, at joint press conferences.
He did not use “diplo-speak”. Macron is a highly educated, polished politician who knows how to choose his words and send subtle messages. This message was deliberately blunt.
https://theconversation.com/i-dont-think-i-know-what-makes-macrons-comments-about-morrison-so-extraordinary-and-so-worrying-170947
Yeah he’s really lost it, I guess the Europeans and especially the French are not used to having an ex colonial nation telling them to pull their head in.
Good morning Mr PWM.
I know it’s your job, but sometimes you take these ironic/satirical comments just a little too far.
they are just repetitively stupid. at least I try to change my humour style to fit the occasion. lazy humour.
Boris said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:Yeah he’s really lost it, I guess the Europeans and especially the French are not used to having an ex colonial nation telling them to pull their head in.
Good morning Mr PWM.
I know it’s your job, but sometimes you take these ironic/satirical comments just a little too far.
they are just repetitively stupid. at least I try to change my humour style to fit the occasion. lazy humour.
What style of humour was that then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Good morning Mr PWM.
I know it’s your job, but sometimes you take these ironic/satirical comments just a little too far.
they are just repetitively stupid. at least I try to change my humour style to fit the occasion. lazy humour.
What style of humour was that then?
PWMs style.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/
In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
The problem component was the Australian.
Unfortunately, this component is broken and needs replacing.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
The problem component was the Australian.
Unfortunately, this component is broken and needs replacing.
Custom components can be problematic.
Should have been off the shelve, much better then.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/michael-pascoe-rich-sports/
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
I reckon they would have still got angry either way.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
Probably a bit cowardly about having to tell the french of the cancelled contract.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
I reckon they would have still got angry either way.
Quite possibly.
But if the Australian government had followed proper contract procedures they wouldn’t have had a valid reason to be angry.
As it is, they do.
The Aus govt’s big blunder was making the right decision at the wrong time.
They made the right decision – that we need nuclear submarines, if submarines we must have.
They made it at the wrong time – after they’d selected the French nuclear sub design and tried to have it made into a conventional sub.
If the ‘nuclear propulsion’ option had been selected 7 or 8 years back, things might well be humming along now.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
I reckon they would have still got angry either way.
Quite possibly.
But if the Australian government had followed proper contract procedures they wouldn’t have had a valid reason to be angry.
As it is, they do.
They must miss the good old days of 1680.
And unhappy about Walmart selling nuclear powered submarines.
captain_spalding said:
The Aus govt’s big blunder was making the right decision at the wrong time.They made the right decision – that we need nuclear submarines, if submarines we must have.
They made it at the wrong time – after they’d selected the French nuclear sub design and tried to have it made into a conventional sub.
If the ‘nuclear propulsion’ option had been selected 7 or 8 years back, things might well be humming along now.
But if they had done that their grounds for cancelling the contract would have been even shakier.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Boris said:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/02/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-trust-world/In front of the world’s television cameras the US President threw Scott Morrison under a bus when he agreed with France’s Emmanuel Macron that the ending of the $90 billion submarine contract by Australia was “clumsy” and was not done with a lot of grace.
How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:How could have been handled better? and Why didn’t they do that then?
By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Throwing Scotty under the bus is always a worthy project.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
So you think Scomo with his magic God Hands is a no-nonsense, realistic sort of bloke?
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
Quite likely I reckon
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
So you think Scomo with his magic God Hands is a no-nonsense, realistic sort of bloke?
Believers have to stick together in the persecution times.
Mr Morrison is treating leaders of other countries like he treats state premiers – as political opponents.
His furious attempt at damage control will only make world leaders trust him even less.
Penny Wong
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:By properly informing the French of their concerns with the contract, and giving them the opportunity to deal with them.
They couldn’t be arsed.
They wanted to do a deal with the Yanks, so they did that then told the French about it.
And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Boris said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
So you think Scomo with his magic God Hands is a no-nonsense, realistic sort of bloke?
Believers have to stick together in the persecution times.
It’s quite astonishing that world leaders and government don’t see the irony and contradictions in statements they make.
They really do come across as fools with the nonsense they speak.
This entire submarine saga is a prime example, especially with China being annoyed we are building up our military strength and starting an arms race.
What have they been doing the last decade if not that and in much greater capacity than us
Boris said:
Mr Morrison is treating leaders of other countries like he treats state premiers – as political opponents.
His furious attempt at damage control will only make world leaders trust him even less.Penny Wong
I think she’s got it, there.
Scotty has a limited view, and an equally limited set of tactics and strategies.
He’s not aware that he’s playing in a different game when it comes to external affairs.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Or in this case wait 5 years and spend 2 billion dollars and they still haven’t completed the floor plan.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
If this was a commercial contract between two private companies, Morrisson and the company he represented would both be in deep shit.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And the poms, they’re in the mix as well. It’s the best decision scotty made all year. Something done not as a vote winner but to pivot Australia’s defence structure to a new paradigm. It should have been handled better and Bidden and Johnson are now throwing scotty under the bus, Scotty should just tell macron to go pound sand.
Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
They hadn’t started building though had they, if that was the case they yeah maybe too late.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Or in this case wait 5 years and spend 2 billion dollars and they still haven’t completed the floor plan.
If a contract is in progress but running late, you can’t just cancel it with no negotiations and no additional payment.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
You’ve got to understand the French and their honour and dignity and pride.
And let’s not forget Malcolm Turnbull’s pride and Kevin Rudd’s pride, they are all bitter men.
Reality has little to do with it.
If this was a commercial contract between two private companies, Morrisson and the company he represented would both be in deep shit.
I suppose it does depend on what the contract/agreement states
Is it about the money and time wasted or are the French annoyed they aren’t part of the agreement, no reason they couldn’t be included they are a nuclear powered state and another ally against the Chinese. Australia can say “Sorry about that mate” and give them a hamper of Australian wine and cheese
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Or in this case wait 5 years and spend 2 billion dollars and they still haven’t completed the floor plan.
If a contract is in progress but running late, you can’t just cancel it with no negotiations and no additional payment.
If a contract is in progress but running late, you may well cancel it, and without further payment, or even with penalties against the supplier at fault, depending on the terms of the contract.
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
They hadn’t started building though had they, if that was the case they yeah maybe too late.
The point is you either have to offer the company a deal they are happy with, or you go through a dispute resolution process.
You can’t just cancel with no negotiations and expect no repercussions.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Or in this case wait 5 years and spend 2 billion dollars and they still haven’t completed the floor plan.
or wait 20 years for a maybe sub….
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Cancelling contracts surely isn’t that big a deal, pay the costs so far and be done with it.
Could we not include the French in the alliance, maybe let them do the catering
Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Or in this case wait 5 years and spend 2 billion dollars and they still haven’t completed the floor plan.
They’d also promised that your mate Pete, from down at the local, could do the scaffolding but now were bringing in some bloke called Jaques to do the job.
Boris said:
Mr Morrison is treating leaders of other countries like he treats state premiers – as political opponents.
His furious attempt at damage control will only make world leaders trust him even less.Penny Wong
Penny right.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Try signing a contract for a new house, then try and get out of it when they have just started work by offering to pay the cost of fence hire for 24 hours.
Or in this case wait 5 years and spend 2 billion dollars and they still haven’t completed the floor plan.
If a contract is in progress but running late, you can’t just cancel it with no negotiations and no additional payment.
There will have been a cancellation clause in the contract (every Defence contract I was involved with included one.) Both parties will need to have followed that. The rest seems to me to be a beat-up.
roughbarked said:
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine dealFer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
Still better than I’m not going to cop26
dv said:
roughbarked said:
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine dealFer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
Still better than I’m not going to cop26
we would go sledging when the snow lay all about…
Since 1990, the emissions intensity of the British economy has decreased by 78%.
Viewed through that lens they are very much on the home straight towards net zero.
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
Mr Morrison is treating leaders of other countries like he treats state premiers – as political opponents.
His furious attempt at damage control will only make world leaders trust him even less.Penny Wong
I think she’s got it, there.
Scotty has a limited view, and an equally limited set of tactics and strategies.
He’s not aware that he’s playing in a different game when it comes to external affairs.
Not that it matters, because external affairs don’t vote for him, and he knows full well that the Australian voting public quite like the idea of a tough nut island that stands up to the pressures of others and fights for its own rights and freedoms.
dv said:
Since 1990, the emissions intensity of the British economy has decreased by 78%.Viewed through that lens they are very much on the home straight towards net zero.
Got some breakdowns on that figure?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Since 1990, the emissions intensity of the British economy has decreased by 78%.Viewed through that lens they are very much on the home straight towards net zero.
Got some breakdowns on that figure?
In terms of how it was achieved? Coming in here is like giving myself homework but I’ll see what I can do.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Since 1990, the emissions intensity of the British economy has decreased by 78%.Viewed through that lens they are very much on the home straight towards net zero.
Got some breakdowns on that figure?
In terms of how it was achieved? Coming in here is like giving myself homework but I’ll see what I can do.
And what is meant by “emissions intensity”?
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Got some breakdowns on that figure?
In terms of how it was achieved? Coming in here is like giving myself homework but I’ll see what I can do.
And what is meant by “emissions intensity”?
GHG per real economic output, where “real” here means “allowing for inflation”.
So for instance this might be expressed as tonnes CO2e per GDP expressed in 2021UK£
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:In terms of how it was achieved? Coming in here is like giving myself homework but I’ll see what I can do.
And what is meant by “emissions intensity”?
GHG per real economic output, where “real” here means “allowing for inflation”.
So for instance this might be expressed as tonnes CO2e per GDP expressed in 2021UK£
Ta. perhaps this discussion should be moved over to the UK politics thread, we wouldn’t want to be cluttering up this thread to such an extent that people miss my man crush on scotty.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:And what is meant by “emissions intensity”?
GHG per real economic output, where “real” here means “allowing for inflation”.
So for instance this might be expressed as tonnes CO2e per GDP expressed in 2021UK£
Ta. perhaps this discussion should be moved over to the UK politics thread, we wouldn’t want to be cluttering up this thread to such an extent that people miss my man crush on scotty.
It’s a fair COP
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:And what is meant by “emissions intensity”?
GHG per real economic output, where “real” here means “allowing for inflation”.
So for instance this might be expressed as tonnes CO2e per GDP expressed in 2021UK£
Ta. perhaps this discussion should be moved over to the UK politics thread, we wouldn’t want to be cluttering up this thread to such an extent that people miss my man crush on scotty.
He was a good engineer
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:And what is meant by “emissions intensity”?
GHG per real economic output, where “real” here means “allowing for inflation”.
So for instance this might be expressed as tonnes CO2e per GDP expressed in 2021UK£
Ta. perhaps this discussion should be moved over to the UK politics thread, we wouldn’t want to be cluttering up this thread to such an extent that people miss my man crush on scotty.
He was a good engineer
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
dv said:GHG per real economic output, where “real” here means “allowing for inflation”.
So for instance this might be expressed as tonnes CO2e per GDP expressed in 2021UK£
Ta. perhaps this discussion should be moved over to the UK politics thread, we wouldn’t want to be cluttering up this thread to such an extent that people miss my man crush on scotty.
He was a good engineer
I canna take much more of this!
When the great strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “all warfare is based on deception”, he meant the deception of the enemy.
Scott Morrison is in the unhappy position of being accused of deceiving Australia’s friends. Not just one but two.
Within two days, the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and the US President, Joe Biden, separately said or implied that Morrison had misled or deceived them. And they said so publicly.
For the Prime Minister to have a public clash with the leader of one ally over an alleged deception is uncomfortable yet contestable. There are two sides to every dispute, after all.
To have public clashes with two at the same time is a politico-diplomatic disaster. It’s then a three-sided argument, and the other two sides are united against Morrison.
It’s harmful to Morrison’s personal credibility, to the standing of his government, to Australia’s reputation and to the common cause that the three nations have pledged to serve – to show that democracies can work together to defeat China’s destabilising grabs for territory and hegemony.
In fact, China is the only winner from this first-class fiasco. Xi Jinping must be laughing up his sleeve.
Spiny Norman said:
When the great strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “all warfare is based on deception”, he meant the deception of the enemy.Scott Morrison is in the unhappy position of being accused of deceiving Australia’s friends. Not just one but two.
Within two days, the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and the US President, Joe Biden, separately said or implied that Morrison had misled or deceived them. And they said so publicly.
For the Prime Minister to have a public clash with the leader of one ally over an alleged deception is uncomfortable yet contestable. There are two sides to every dispute, after all.
To have public clashes with two at the same time is a politico-diplomatic disaster. It’s then a three-sided argument, and the other two sides are united against Morrison.
It’s harmful to Morrison’s personal credibility, to the standing of his government, to Australia’s reputation and to the common cause that the three nations have pledged to serve – to show that democracies can work together to defeat China’s destabilising grabs for territory and hegemony.
In fact, China is the only winner from this first-class fiasco. Xi Jinping must be laughing up his sleeve.
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/clash-with-us-and-france-is-a-politico-diplomatic-disaster-for-morrison-20211101-p594vs.html
For some reason the link to the submit button is in there somewhere.
Boris said:
Spiny Norman said:
When the great strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “all warfare is based on deception”, he meant the deception of the enemy.Scott Morrison is in the unhappy position of being accused of deceiving Australia’s friends. Not just one but two.
Within two days, the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and the US President, Joe Biden, separately said or implied that Morrison had misled or deceived them. And they said so publicly.
For the Prime Minister to have a public clash with the leader of one ally over an alleged deception is uncomfortable yet contestable. There are two sides to every dispute, after all.
To have public clashes with two at the same time is a politico-diplomatic disaster. It’s then a three-sided argument, and the other two sides are united against Morrison.
It’s harmful to Morrison’s personal credibility, to the standing of his government, to Australia’s reputation and to the common cause that the three nations have pledged to serve – to show that democracies can work together to defeat China’s destabilising grabs for territory and hegemony.
In fact, China is the only winner from this first-class fiasco. Xi Jinping must be laughing up his sleeve.
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/clash-with-us-and-france-is-a-politico-diplomatic-disaster-for-morrison-20211101-p594vs.html
For some reason the link to the submit button is in there somewhere.
Ta. Weird.
Boris said:
Spiny Norman said:
When the great strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “all warfare is based on deception”, he meant the deception of the enemy.Scott Morrison is in the unhappy position of being accused of deceiving Australia’s friends. Not just one but two.
Within two days, the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and the US President, Joe Biden, separately said or implied that Morrison had misled or deceived them. And they said so publicly.
For the Prime Minister to have a public clash with the leader of one ally over an alleged deception is uncomfortable yet contestable. There are two sides to every dispute, after all.
To have public clashes with two at the same time is a politico-diplomatic disaster. It’s then a three-sided argument, and the other two sides are united against Morrison.
It’s harmful to Morrison’s personal credibility, to the standing of his government, to Australia’s reputation and to the common cause that the three nations have pledged to serve – to show that democracies can work together to defeat China’s destabilising grabs for territory and hegemony.
In fact, China is the only winner from this first-class fiasco. Xi Jinping must be laughing up his sleeve.
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/clash-with-us-and-france-is-a-politico-diplomatic-disaster-for-morrison-20211101-p594vs.html
For some reason the link to the submit button is in there somewhere.
You wouldn’t want to be desperate for new submarines would you, so the current submarines may have to last another 25 years, lot could change in that time
Before the announcement, Australia had a contract for the supply of 12 French-designed submarines. Now it has no contract with anyone to supply any subs whatsoever.
The first of the new French-designed subs was expected in around 10 to 12 years. Now, if the in-principle deal with the US and UK can be made concrete, it will be 20 to 25 years before the first nuclear-powered arrives.
Cymek said:
Boris said:
Spiny Norman said:
When the great strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “all warfare is based on deception”, he meant the deception of the enemy.Scott Morrison is in the unhappy position of being accused of deceiving Australia’s friends. Not just one but two.
Within two days, the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and the US President, Joe Biden, separately said or implied that Morrison had misled or deceived them. And they said so publicly.
For the Prime Minister to have a public clash with the leader of one ally over an alleged deception is uncomfortable yet contestable. There are two sides to every dispute, after all.
To have public clashes with two at the same time is a politico-diplomatic disaster. It’s then a three-sided argument, and the other two sides are united against Morrison.
It’s harmful to Morrison’s personal credibility, to the standing of his government, to Australia’s reputation and to the common cause that the three nations have pledged to serve – to show that democracies can work together to defeat China’s destabilising grabs for territory and hegemony.
In fact, China is the only winner from this first-class fiasco. Xi Jinping must be laughing up his sleeve.
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/clash-with-us-and-france-is-a-politico-diplomatic-disaster-for-morrison-20211101-p594vs.html
For some reason the link to the submit button is in there somewhere.
You wouldn’t want to be desperate for new submarines would you, so the current submarines may have to last another 25 years, lot could change in that time
Before the announcement, Australia had a contract for the supply of 12 French-designed submarines. Now it has no contract with anyone to supply any subs whatsoever.
The first of the new French-designed subs was expected in around 10 to 12 years. Now, if the in-principle deal with the US and UK can be made concrete, it will be 20 to 25 years before the first nuclear-powered arrives.
So CHINA Are Behind All This, And Paid France And USSA To Play Australia Right Into Their Warm And Welcoming Hands
Cymek said:
Boris said:
Spiny Norman said:
When the great strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “all warfare is based on deception”, he meant the deception of the enemy.Scott Morrison is in the unhappy position of being accused of deceiving Australia’s friends. Not just one but two.
Within two days, the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, and the US President, Joe Biden, separately said or implied that Morrison had misled or deceived them. And they said so publicly.
For the Prime Minister to have a public clash with the leader of one ally over an alleged deception is uncomfortable yet contestable. There are two sides to every dispute, after all.
To have public clashes with two at the same time is a politico-diplomatic disaster. It’s then a three-sided argument, and the other two sides are united against Morrison.
It’s harmful to Morrison’s personal credibility, to the standing of his government, to Australia’s reputation and to the common cause that the three nations have pledged to serve – to show that democracies can work together to defeat China’s destabilising grabs for territory and hegemony.
In fact, China is the only winner from this first-class fiasco. Xi Jinping must be laughing up his sleeve.
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/clash-with-us-and-france-is-a-politico-diplomatic-disaster-for-morrison-20211101-p594vs.html
For some reason the link to the submit button is in there somewhere.
You wouldn’t want to be desperate for new submarines would you, so the current submarines may have to last another 25 years, lot could change in that time
Before the announcement, Australia had a contract for the supply of 12 French-designed submarines. Now it has no contract with anyone to supply any subs whatsoever.
The first of the new French-designed subs was expected in around 10 to 12 years. Now, if the in-principle deal with the US and UK can be made concrete, it will be 20 to 25 years before the first nuclear-powered arrives.
Which is why there has been talk of leasing some subs of the yanks or the poms.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
Boris said:www.smh.com.au/world/europe/clash-with-us-and-france-is-a-politico-diplomatic-disaster-for-morrison-20211101-p594vs.html
For some reason the link to the submit button is in there somewhere.
You wouldn’t want to be desperate for new submarines would you, so the current submarines may have to last another 25 years, lot could change in that time
Before the announcement, Australia had a contract for the supply of 12 French-designed submarines. Now it has no contract with anyone to supply any subs whatsoever.
The first of the new French-designed subs was expected in around 10 to 12 years. Now, if the in-principle deal with the US and UK can be made concrete, it will be 20 to 25 years before the first nuclear-powered arrives.
Which is why there has been talk of leasing some subs
ofthe yanks or the poms.
OFF, ya muppet.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/02/australia-pm-attacks-french-president-credibility-over-submarine-deal.html
https://theshot.net.au/opinion-news/the-nationals-are-just-a-bunch-of-denim-clad-coal-fondlers-pretending-to-be-farmers/
Boris said:
https://theshot.net.au/opinion-news/the-nationals-are-just-a-bunch-of-denim-clad-coal-fondlers-pretending-to-be-farmers/
That’s a good bit of writty. No wonder Scotty doesn’t want people on facebook reading that sort of stuff.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
‘I’m not going to cop sledging’: Morrison rejects French criticism over submarine dealFer gawd’s sake, let it go through to the keeper and get on with the job of ppretending to lead Australia out of the gloom and doom you fuckwit.
Still better than I’m not going to cop26
There’s a glimmer there. Difficult to see.
https://www.6newsau.com/post/liberal-candidate-posts-image-of-a-local-couple-but-it-s-actually-a-stock-photo
sarahs mum said:
https://www.6newsau.com/post/liberal-candidate-posts-image-of-a-local-couple-but-it-s-actually-a-stock-photo
Rofl they aren’t very good at this
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.6newsau.com/post/liberal-candidate-posts-image-of-a-local-couple-but-it-s-actually-a-stock-photo
Rofl they aren’t very good at this
Local couple Jürgen and Ingrid Schneider of Neustadt, Hamburg.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”While Australians put their money on horses today, Scott Morrison had a wager of his own: An each-way bet that $20 billion in technological investments will either fix the climate crisis, or at least convince other nations Australia is doing enough.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”
Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
roughbarked said:
While Australians put their money on horses today, Scott Morrison had a wager of his own: An each-way bet that $20 billion in technological investments will either fix the climate crisis, or at least convince other nations Australia is doing enough.
Each year perhaps
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Those of us who want the logging stopped have been arguing that for the past 50, 60 years.
We need wood but we cleared and burned most of it.
Surely it is a no brainer to shift the focus to plantation wood.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Selective logging is unsustainable financially. If it was, they’d always have done it.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Is that because its a less intensive alternative or is it good for the health of the forest to selectively remove trees that may be diseased for example
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Those of us who want the logging stopped have been arguing that for the past 50, 60 years.
We need wood but we cleared and burned most of it.
Surely it is a no brainer to shift the focus to plantation wood.
No, workers in the industry should be told we are closing, paid out and look for other work.
It could be that towns that rely exclusively on that industry are made redundant
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Is that because its a less intensive alternative or is it good for the health of the forest to selectively remove trees that may be diseased for example
Clearly better for the forest to only take some trees rather than clearfelling. However, It isn’t good for any forest to remove trees other than by selective thinning of young regrowth. Also, they may only take that tree over there but they knock down heaps more to make a road over to that tree.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Selective logging is unsustainable financially. If it was, they’d always have done it.
That’s the problem isn’t it finance/money many things could be done differently (far less damaging) but its too expensive monetary wise not future of the planet too expensive
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:The pledge, which includes Australia as a signatory, is backed by almost $US20 billion ($26.6b) in public and private funding, and is endorsed by more than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests, the UK government said.
The leaders include those of forest-rich Brazil and Russia — both condemned by activists for accelerating their own rates of deforestation — along with US President Joe Biden and others.
President Joko Widodo of resource-blessed Indonesia said his own archipelago’s rainforests, mangroves, seas and peatlands were key to restricting climate change.
“We are committed to protecting these critical carbon sinks and our natural capital for future generations,” he was reported to have said in a UK government statement.
“We call on all countries to support sustainable development paths that strengthen the livelihoods of communities — especially indigenous, women and smallholders.”Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Those of us who want the logging stopped have been arguing that for the past 50, 60 years.
We need wood but we cleared and burned most of it.
Surely it is a no brainer to shift the focus to plantation wood.
We also have to shift the way plantations are planted. Everything has gone into Nitens in tassie and it is shitty and they are running a 30 year turn around. The should be planting a good percentage of mixed forests that they start to cut in after 30 years but keeping on having a cut every now and then for the next hundred or so.They should be doing some blackwood because they could selectively crop that from 30 to 60 years. And they could replant into those forests.They could employ people.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Those of us who want the logging stopped have been arguing that for the past 50, 60 years.
We need wood but we cleared and burned most of it.
Surely it is a no brainer to shift the focus to plantation wood.
No, workers in the industry should be told we are closing, paid out and look for other work.
It could be that towns that rely exclusively on that industry are made redundant
Yes. It has happened before. The Callitris forest sawmills have mostly closed down. These forests will take another 60 years to have sizeable timber available.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Selective logging is unsustainable financially. If it was, they’d always have done it.
They didn’t do the financial thing well.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Perhaps the world will have to accept products made from recycled wood, or already established pine plantations and no new wood is removed from forrests
Those of us who want the logging stopped have been arguing that for the past 50, 60 years.
We need wood but we cleared and burned most of it.
Surely it is a no brainer to shift the focus to plantation wood.
We also have to shift the way plantations are planted. Everything has gone into Nitens in tassie and it is shitty and they are running a 30 year turn around. The should be planting a good percentage of mixed forests that they start to cut in after 30 years but keeping on having a cut every now and then for the next hundred or so.They should be doing some blackwood because they could selectively crop that from 30 to 60 years. And they could replant into those forests.They could employ people.
Yes.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:Selective logging doesn’t deforestation. Convincing Forestry tas that this is a good idea has been ongoing since..decades and decades.
Selective logging is unsustainable financially. If it was, they’d always have done it.
That’s the problem isn’t it finance/money many things could be done differently (far less damaging) but its too expensive monetary wise not future of the planet too expensive
Only if you are chipping it for pellets newsprint and toilet paper.
.
It would be far better in many ways at least until we get forests again, to turn some agricultural land into woodchip plantations and make composite wood products.
roughbarked said:
It would be far better in many ways at least until we get forests again, to turn some agricultural land into woodchip plantations and make composite wood products.
They’ve turned Tasmania into that.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
It would be far better in many ways at least until we get forests again, to turn some agricultural land into woodchip plantations and make composite wood products.
They’ve turned Tasmania into that.
That’s because Tasmania hasn’t told the timber mills to turn to other industries. There are heaps of places to move the timber workers to.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
A) did China sign? There is indeed quite a bit of vulnerable forest in China.
B) 9 years is a long time and I hope there isn’t open slather to clear as much land as possible before the deadline
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
A) did China sign? There is indeed quite a bit of vulnerable forest in China.
B) 9 years is a long time and I hope there isn’t open slather to clear as much land as possible before the deadline
Jeff Bezos “We are called Amazon, let’s chop it down and build the world biggest distribution centre, free piss pots for all, hurrah”
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
A) did China sign? There is indeed quite a bit of vulnerable forest in China.
B) 9 years is a long time and I hope there isn’t open slather to clear as much land as possible before the deadline
I’m afraid that China didn’t sign and that you are correct about the rest.
Cymek said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
A) did China sign? There is indeed quite a bit of vulnerable forest in China.
B) 9 years is a long time and I hope there isn’t open slather to clear as much land as possible before the deadline
Jeff Bezos “We are called Amazon, let’s chop it down and build the world biggest distribution centre, free piss pots for all, hurrah”
That fucktard.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
It would be far better in many ways at least until we get forests again, to turn some agricultural land into woodchip plantations and make composite wood products.
They’ve turned Tasmania into that.
That’s because Tasmania hasn’t told the timber mills to turn to other industries. There are heaps of places to move the timber workers to.
Brown Bros up north who are furniture types..they are the closest thing we have to a sustainable model.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
World leaders agree to stop deforestation by 2030
More than 100 leaders representing more than 85 per cent of the world’s forests agree to end logging but environmental activists are calling for swifter action.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/world-leaders-pledge-to-end-deforestation/100588438
I wonder if that includes napalming the Tassie south west.
A) did China sign? There is indeed quite a bit of vulnerable forest in China.
B) 9 years is a long time and I hope there isn’t open slather to clear as much land as possible before the deadline
I think Tassie already did that.
Unexplained gas funding timeline a ‘very dark day for the Commonwealth’, Federal Court judge says
By Jesse Thompson
Lawyers for environmental advocates question whether the federal government fast-tracked an agreement to provide funding to a gas company in a bid to hinder legal action challenging the grant.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/nt-federal-court-hearing-keith-pitt-beetaloo-fracking-grants/100588146
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/02/french-officials-vent-fury-over-australian-leak-of-macron-text-message?
Boris said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/02/french-officials-vent-fury-over-australian-leak-of-macron-text-message?
What Macron is reportedly reported to have texted:
““Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?” Macron reportedly said in the text message.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/02/morrison-accused-of-worsening-rift-with-french-government-after-leak-of-macron-text
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
What Macron is reportedly reported to have texted:
““Should I expect good or bad news for our joint submarines ambitions?” Macron reportedly said in the text message.”
look if the federal government is better at covering up the donors and actions of rapists than it is at holding privileged conversations in confidence why should we citizens be concerned really
Time to coalwash them funds and legitimise what has been done ¡
A review into the way taxpayer-funded grants are assessed and allocated has been announced by NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet. It will be jointly overseen by the Department of Premier and Cabinet and the Productivity Commissioner, who will make recommendations in April.
Australia, China, Russia, India and Iran refused to join the global push to cut methane emissions
SCIENCE said:
Better Than Submarines: The Next Climate Alliance
Australia, China, Russia, India and Iran refused to join the global push to cut methane emissions
It seems our mate Malcolm T is disappointed and thought it was a pity.
Imagine transparency for playground bullying but no transparency for internal domestic corruption, we love it ¡
“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks and what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day.”
SCIENCE said:
Imagine transparency for playground bullying but no transparency for internal domestic corruption, we love it ¡“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks and what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day.”
couldn’t read the source of that, behind a paywall or whatever
but seemed a bit juvenile or something doing affairs of state related national security via text messages
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Imagine transparency for playground bullying but no transparency for internal domestic corruption, we love it ¡“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks and what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day.”
couldn’t read the source of that, behind a paywall or whatever
but seemed a bit juvenile or something doing affairs of state related national security via text messages
Yes especially as people would or should be aware they aren’t exactly secure
Cymek said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Imagine transparency for playground bullying but no transparency for internal domestic corruption, we love it ¡“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks and what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day.”
couldn’t read the source of that, behind a paywall or whatever
but seemed a bit juvenile or something doing affairs of state related national security via text messages
Yes especially as people would or should be aware they aren’t exactly secure
wonder what nuclear submarine is abbreviated, in informal text chat
heya scomo, how’s the insert submarine followed by handshake emoji is it disappointed emoji or followed by happy one?
between watching funny clips on tik tok
transition said:
Cymek said:
transition said:couldn’t read the source of that, behind a paywall or whatever
but seemed a bit juvenile or something doing affairs of state related national security via text messages
Yes especially as people would or should be aware they aren’t exactly secure
wonder what nuclear submarine is abbreviated, in informal text chat
heya scomo, how’s the insert submarine followed by handshake emoji is it disappointed emoji or followed by happy one?
between watching funny clips on tik tok
They way the deal was portrayed was we’d get them in a reasonable time frame (whatever that is in military terms) but it appears its likely to be in 20 – 25 years.
That’s an entire generation away and we could have WW3 before then
Heard Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce on the news.
“If you’re the president of Yoniblopblop, who cares? If you’re the President of France, you can’t walk around calling people liars.”
I always assumed Joyce was the president of Yoniblopblop.
dv said:
Heard Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce on the news.“If you’re the president of Yoniblopblop, who cares? If you’re the President of France, you can’t walk around calling people liars.”
I always assumed Joyce was the president of Yoniblopblop.
Yes, and who cares what he said? See, he was right…
dv said:
Heard Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce on the news.“If you’re the president of Yoniblopblop, who cares? If you’re the President of France, you can’t walk around calling people liars.”
I always assumed Joyce was the president of Yoniblopblop.
Well I disagree, if you’re the president of France, you can do this.
Whether you are believed or not, or anyone takes it seriously is another matter.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Heard Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce on the news.“If you’re the president of Yoniblopblop, who cares? If you’re the President of France, you can’t walk around calling people liars.”
I always assumed Joyce was the president of Yoniblopblop.
Well I disagree, if you’re the president of France, you can do this.
Whether you are believed or not, or anyone takes it seriously is another matter.
The truth is hard to find in Scott Morrison’s standoff with Emmanuel Macron over subs and AUKUS.
Well if the truth is hard to find, surely that indicates some or plenty of falsehoods?
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Heard Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce on the news.“If you’re the president of Yoniblopblop, who cares? If you’re the President of France, you can’t walk around calling people liars.”
I always assumed Joyce was the president of Yoniblopblop.
Well I disagree, if you’re the president of France, you can do this.
Whether you are believed or not, or anyone takes it seriously is another matter.
The truth is hard to find in Scott Morrison’s standoff with Emmanuel Macron over subs and AUKUS.
Well if the truth is hard to find, surely that indicates some or plenty of falsehoods?
In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for a president of one country to accuse a prime minister of another country of lying, if he thinks he has has been lied to, and also perfectly reasonable for the prime minister to release a copy of a text if he thinks that shows the question might not be as clear cut as the president had suggested.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Well I disagree, if you’re the president of France, you can do this.
Whether you are believed or not, or anyone takes it seriously is another matter.
The truth is hard to find in Scott Morrison’s standoff with Emmanuel Macron over subs and AUKUS.
Well if the truth is hard to find, surely that indicates some or plenty of falsehoods?
In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for a president of one country to accuse a prime minister of another country of lying, if he thinks he has has been lied to, and also perfectly reasonable for the prime minister to release a copy of a text if he thinks that shows the question might not be as clear cut as the president had suggested.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:The truth is hard to find in Scott Morrison’s standoff with Emmanuel Macron over subs and AUKUS.
Well if the truth is hard to find, surely that indicates some or plenty of falsehoods?
In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for a president of one country to accuse a prime minister of another country of lying, if he thinks he has has been lied to, and also perfectly reasonable for the prime minister to release a copy of a text if he thinks that shows the question might not be as clear cut as the president had suggested.
Often Presidents release statements for internal consumption even though they appear to be international.
… and Prime Ministers likewise.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Well I disagree, if you’re the president of France, you can do this.
Whether you are believed or not, or anyone takes it seriously is another matter.
The truth is hard to find in Scott Morrison’s standoff with Emmanuel Macron over subs and AUKUS.
Well if the truth is hard to find, surely that indicates some or plenty of falsehoods?
In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for a president of one country to accuse a prime minister of another country of lying, if he thinks he has has been lied to, and also perfectly reasonable for the prime minister to release a copy of a text if he thinks that shows the question might not be as clear cut as the president had suggested.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for a president of one country to accuse a prime minister of another country of lying, if he thinks he has has been lied to, and also perfectly reasonable for the prime minister to release a copy of a text if he thinks that shows the question might not be as clear cut as the president had suggested.
Often Presidents release statements for internal consumption even though they appear to be international.… and Prime Ministers likewise.
seems like most Corruption leaks are carefully selected to show 1 thing when in context they actually show -1 thing
SCIENCE said:
seems like most Corruption leaks are carefully selected to show 1 thing when in context they actually show -1 thing
I reckon they hold onto them until its in their own best interests to release them or the person in question has really annoyed them.
Its not like they are offended by the corruption as its business as usual
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low
‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low
With the complexities and cost of modern weapons we might outprice ourselves from having wars.
Plus I’m not sure how quickly they could be built if they were replacing destroyed ones
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
well not exactly, it’s part of a softening for a broader license to let the US in nearer, to do the job
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
Not against the blue meanies.
transition said:
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
well not exactly, it’s part of a softening for a broader license to let the US in nearer, to do the job
Could be a paperwork war
We have 10 proposed submarines and China has 60 so we’d better be careful
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
Not against the blue meanies.
Hmmmmmm.
“Warning: The previous post contains drug references.”
Cymek said:
transition said:
captain_spalding said:‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
well not exactly, it’s part of a softening for a broader license to let the US in nearer, to do the job
Could be a paperwork war
We have 10 proposed submarines and China has 60 so we’d better be careful
strategically, big picture, the transition to renewable energy was or is meant to contribute to global stability (a hoped for compensatory transformation that way), wars require, are in some ways inspired by surplus energy, or the getting of it, which historically had been related fossil fuels, jet fuel for the jets, oil for the battle ships and aircraft carriers, coal for the power stations operating the metal furnaces, for example
though some players are a bit slow getting with the program
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
Not against the blue meanies.
Hmmmmmm.
“Warning: The previous post contains drug references.”
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:Not against the blue meanies.
Hmmmmmm.
“Warning: The previous post contains drug references.”
I thought they were referring to the Nac Mac Feegles.
The Blue meanies are the baddies in the film Yellow Submarine.
SPEECH: Labor will scrap the Cashless Pension Card, and Protect Pensioners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_5DMvbTnL8
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:Hmmmmmm.
“Warning: The previous post contains drug references.”
I thought they were referring to the Nac Mac Feegles.The Blue meanies are the baddies in the film Yellow Submarine.
Ah. I haven’t seen that film.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:I thought they were referring to the Nac Mac Feegles.
The Blue meanies are the baddies in the film Yellow Submarine.
Ah. I haven’t seen that film.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:I thought they were referring to the Nac Mac Feegles.
The Blue meanies are the baddies in the film Yellow Submarine.
Ah. I haven’t seen that film.
Sad.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:The Blue meanies are the baddies in the film Yellow Submarine.
Ah. I haven’t seen that film.
Me neither.
Also sad.
Blue meanies are also magic mushrooms.
transition said:
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
imaginary submarines have their benefits, initial purchase costs are low, and maintenance costs are low‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
well not exactly, it’s part of a softening for a broader license to let the US in nearer, to do the job
They did that in WW2, and did a good job of it, too.
sarahs mum said:
Applies not just to COP26/Glasgow.
sarahs mum said:
Blue meanies are also magic mushrooms.
Or the Blue Man group on PCP
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Blue meanies are also magic mushrooms.Or the Blue Man group on PCP
Phenylcyclohexyl piperidine?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Applies not just to COP26/Glasgow.
and Australians will reelect the arsehole in an instant so eat that
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Blue meanies are also magic mushrooms.Or the Blue Man group on PCP
Phenylcyclohexyl piperidine?
Yes
Cymek said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:Or the Blue Man group on PCP
Phenylcyclohexyl piperidine?
Yes
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
Tamb said:Phenylcyclohexyl piperidine?
Yes
Referred to as angel dust wasn’t it.
Can’t remember why now.
Yes was the title of a Faith No More album as well
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Blue meanies are also magic mushrooms.Or the Blue Man group on PCP
Phenylcyclohexyl piperidine?
No, thanks, i’m trying to give it up.
Lol @ Turnbull strafing Morrison
https://twitter.com/hughwhitfeld/status/1455666987519070220?t=LsREb64ONnexlg1t-5m_qw&s=19
dv said:
National Party “Please won’t someone think of the farmers, donations please in their desperate time of need”
dv said:
Good.
dv said:
Lol @ Turnbull strafing Morrison
https://twitter.com/hughwhitfeld/status/1455666987519070220?t=LsREb64ONnexlg1t-5m_qw&s=19
I wish some more people were saying it.
We know Turnbull doesn’t like Scomo.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Lol @ Turnbull strafing Morrison
https://twitter.com/hughwhitfeld/status/1455666987519070220?t=LsREb64ONnexlg1t-5m_qw&s=19
I wish some more people were saying it.
We know Turnbull doesn’t like Scomo.
I’d really like to admire a leader some time.
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
captain_spalding said:‘Deterrent’ value is correspondingly low.
well not exactly, it’s part of a softening for a broader license to let the US in nearer, to do the job
They did that in WW2, and did a good job of it, too.
also the sonar reflection profile, or signature, from an imaginary submarine would be impressively illusive, quiet running passive signature also, if an imaginary submarine had an enemy, but it has the further advantage it doesn’t have an enemy, not really, it’s more a submarine for philosophical contemplation
armed with philosophical missiles and torpedoes, ready to deliver an ontological crisis, it doesn’t just leave the enemy wondering if there is a submarine, but much worse, there’s the further crippling question of when is a submarine really a submarine, if you can never find it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/morrison-has-a-trust-problem-with-no-easy-answer/100595582
Michelle Grattan.
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/morrison-has-a-trust-problem-with-no-easy-answer/100595582Michelle Grattan.
Reading that, I really doubt that the fried on a burger can save Scomo’s arse.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/morrison-has-a-trust-problem-with-no-easy-answer/100595582
Michelle Grattan.
Reading that, I really doubt that the fried on a burger can save Scomo’s arse.
why would he need it, voters are prepared to hand the reins back to them in an instant
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/morrison-has-a-trust-problem-with-no-easy-answer/100595582Michelle Grattan.
reading that
impression I get is there are forces at work that would prefer to have something resembling a president rather than a prime minister in Australia, it can’t be done so the whoever in the position is situationally rendered more responsive as if they were, which is in fact more effective than if australia really did have a president
fact is some find the present representational system an intolerable slow grind
the next prime minister of australia will find themselves in the same situation, the forces will have further fine tuned their approach by then, the stage is being set
in some ways the PM is a victim of having being swayed into a sort of quasi-presidency, more subject popular opinion, and whatever the big issues are
these are largely global forces, or international forces, given a sort of more homegrown flavor, wouldn’t like to alienate the locals, the local inhabitants
of course the PM needs stay sweet with the media, the advisors
transition said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/morrison-has-a-trust-problem-with-no-easy-answer/100595582
Michelle Grattan.
reading that
impression I get is there are forces at work that would prefer to have something resembling a president rather than a prime minister in Australia, it can’t be done so the whoever in the position is situationally rendered more responsive as if they were, which is in fact more effective than if australia really did have a president
fact is some find the present representational system an intolerable slow grind
the next prime minister of australia will find themselves in the same situation, the forces will have further fine tuned their approach by then, the stage is being set
in some ways the PM is a victim of having being swayed into a sort of quasi-presidency, more subject popular opinion, and whatever the big issues are
these are largely global forces, or international forces, given a sort of more homegrown flavor, wouldn’t like to alienate the locals, the local inhabitants
of course the PM needs stay sweet with the media, the advisors
don’t we all love a good DPRNA democracy, a cult of personality, a demigod prince, how good is it
imagine criminals being held to account
A Liberal Party stalwart in the conservative heartland of Kew says “all hell will break loose” if local member Tim Smith is forced to quit politics.
SCIENCE said:
imagine criminals being held to accountA Liberal Party stalwart in the conservative heartland of Kew says “all hell will break loose” if local member Tim Smith is forced to quit politics.
“All hell will break loose.”
Just what do ‘Liberal Party stalwart(s) in the conservative heartland of Kew. consider to be ‘all hell’?
A strongly-worded letter to the editor of The Age?
Knocking the the flowers off some agapanthus in the local park?
Putting the ‘rubbish’ wheelie bin too close to the ‘recycling’ wheelie bin on collection day?
Somehow, i think that the nation will survive the turmoil.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
imagine criminals being held to accountA Liberal Party stalwart in the conservative heartland of Kew says “all hell will break loose” if local member Tim Smith is forced to quit politics.
“All hell will break loose.”
Just what do ‘Liberal Party stalwart(s) in the conservative heartland of Kew. consider to be ‘all hell’?
A strongly-worded letter to the editor of The Age?
Knocking the the flowers off some agapanthus in the local park?
Putting the ‘rubbish’ wheelie bin too close to the ‘recycling’ wheelie bin on collection day?
Somehow, i think that the nation will survive the turmoil.
I can’t think of a single person on this entire planet whose quitting of their paid employment would result in ‘all hell breaking loose’.
The Institute of Public Affairs paid to push targeted Facebook ads based on a “faulty analysis” claiming net zero would cause massive job losses in key Liberal and National seats during last month’s Coalition infighting.
Last month, as the Coalition debated a net zero 2050 policy, the IPA paid for a series of Facebook and Instagram ads targeting the electorates of Nationals Barnaby Joyce, David Littleproud, Mark Coulton, Ken O’Dowd and Anne Webster, as well as the Liberal trade minister, Dan Tehan.
The ads warned the policy “will destroy” huge numbers of jobs in each electorate. In Flynn, O’Dowd’s electorate, the ads warned “net zero emissions will destroy one in four jobs”. Other electorates would lose one in five, one in six or one in seven jobs, the ads claimed.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/05/ipa-targets-key-coalition-seats-with-net-zero-facebook-ad-campaign-described-by-experts-as-fear-mongering
sarahs mum said:
The Institute of Public Affairs paid to push targeted Facebook ads based on a “faulty analysis” claiming net zero would cause massive job losses in key Liberal and National seats during last month’s Coalition infighting.Last month, as the Coalition debated a net zero 2050 policy, the IPA paid for a series of Facebook and Instagram ads targeting the electorates of Nationals Barnaby Joyce, David Littleproud, Mark Coulton, Ken O’Dowd and Anne Webster, as well as the Liberal trade minister, Dan Tehan.
The ads warned the policy “will destroy” huge numbers of jobs in each electorate. In Flynn, O’Dowd’s electorate, the ads warned “net zero emissions will destroy one in four jobs”. Other electorates would lose one in five, one in six or one in seven jobs, the ads claimed.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/05/ipa-targets-key-coalition-seats-with-net-zero-facebook-ad-campaign-described-by-experts-as-fear-mongering
I wonder where they get their funds from.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
The Institute of Public Affairs paid to push targeted Facebook ads based on a “faulty analysis” claiming net zero would cause massive job losses in key Liberal and National seats during last month’s Coalition infighting.Last month, as the Coalition debated a net zero 2050 policy, the IPA paid for a series of Facebook and Instagram ads targeting the electorates of Nationals Barnaby Joyce, David Littleproud, Mark Coulton, Ken O’Dowd and Anne Webster, as well as the Liberal trade minister, Dan Tehan.
The ads warned the policy “will destroy” huge numbers of jobs in each electorate. In Flynn, O’Dowd’s electorate, the ads warned “net zero emissions will destroy one in four jobs”. Other electorates would lose one in five, one in six or one in seven jobs, the ads claimed.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/05/ipa-targets-key-coalition-seats-with-net-zero-facebook-ad-campaign-described-by-experts-as-fear-mongering
I wonder where they get their funds from.
Hold on…facebook has ads?
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
The Institute of Public Affairs paid to push targeted Facebook ads based on a “faulty analysis” claiming net zero would cause massive job losses in key Liberal and National seats during last month’s Coalition infighting.Last month, as the Coalition debated a net zero 2050 policy, the IPA paid for a series of Facebook and Instagram ads targeting the electorates of Nationals Barnaby Joyce, David Littleproud, Mark Coulton, Ken O’Dowd and Anne Webster, as well as the Liberal trade minister, Dan Tehan.
The ads warned the policy “will destroy” huge numbers of jobs in each electorate. In Flynn, O’Dowd’s electorate, the ads warned “net zero emissions will destroy one in four jobs”. Other electorates would lose one in five, one in six or one in seven jobs, the ads claimed.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/05/ipa-targets-key-coalition-seats-with-net-zero-facebook-ad-campaign-described-by-experts-as-fear-mongering
I wonder where they get their funds from.
Hold on…facebook has ads?
The ones that swayed the US election in and the Brexit referendum. The sort of thing typically funded by Russia or China.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:I wonder where they get their funds from.
Hold on…facebook has ads?
The ones that swayed the US election in and the Brexit referendum. The sort of thing typically funded by Russia or China.
in 2016 (num pad turned off)
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:I wonder where they get their funds from.
Hold on…facebook has ads?
The ones that swayed the US election in and the Brexit referendum. The sort of thing typically funded by Russia or China.
I’ve never been a member so am not aware of how the platform operates.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Hold on…facebook has ads?
The ones that swayed the US election in and the Brexit referendum. The sort of thing typically funded by Russia or China.
I’ve never been a member so am not aware of how the platform operates.
It just puts posts from the advertiser above updates from your friends, so you see them ahead of anything else.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:The ones that swayed the US election in and the Brexit referendum. The sort of thing typically funded by Russia or China.
I’ve never been a member so am not aware of how the platform operates.
It just puts posts from the advertiser above updates from your friends, so you see them ahead of anything else.
Well, that’s put me right off.
How can you tell if sibeen has a Facebook account, or if Boris has a television?
Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Bubblecar said:
How can you tell if sibeen has a Facebook account, or if Boris has a television?Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Hehehehehe
I will say I really didn’t realise it had ads :)
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Hold on…facebook has ads?
The ones that swayed the US election in and the Brexit referendum. The sort of thing typically funded by Russia or China.
I’ve never been a member so am not aware of how the platform operates.
Some applications are worth hacking the ads out of. Apparently facebookers don’t.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
How can you tell if sibeen has a Facebook account, or if Boris has a television?Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Hehehehehe
I will say I really didn’t realise it had ads :)
Neither did I, and I do look at Mr buffy’s. But I go directly to his “friends” and then click straight on the ones I might be interested in. My family, in general. I don’t even look at the stuff that comes up when you first log in.
Today we’ve reached the milestone of 80% fully vaccinated, a lot of kudos should go out to Scomo and Greg Hunt for making it possible, a job well done.
Peak Warming Man said:
Today we’ve reached the milestone of 80% fully vaccinated, a lot of kudos should go out to Scomo and Greg Hunt for making it possible, a job well done.
Not satire.
>80% fully vaccinated, a lot of kudos should go out to the state governments and their health systems, who managed to overcome the inertia of Scomo and Greg Hunt.
Hear hear.
It’s so great that the Murdoch press has finally stopped its campaign against climate change abatement and numeracy.
Wait what’s this
dv said:
It’s so great that the Murdoch press has finally stopped its campaign against climate change abatement and numeracy.Wait what’s this
More of the same?
dv said:
It’s so great that the Murdoch press has finally stopped its campaign against climate change abatement and numeracy.Wait what’s this
probably like the anti-vaccination disinformation agencies you think it’s all fun and games to spoil the health of another nation until you realise the conspiracy theories take on a life of their own and then it’s too late
dv said:
It’s so great that the Murdoch press has finally stopped its campaign against climate change abatement and numeracy.Wait what’s this
Did they give any examples of this posturing business?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s so great that the Murdoch press has finally stopped its campaign against climate change abatement and numeracy.Wait what’s this
Did they give any examples of this posturing business?
Apparently you are required to use your imagnation.
fk
“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks. And what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day,” Mr Thebault said.
SCIENCE said:
“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks. And what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day,” Mr Thebault said.
Perhaps someone should mention to Mr T. that this is Scotty from Marketing we’re talking about, and no-one in Australia trusts him either.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks. And what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day,” Mr Thebault said.Perhaps someone should mention to Mr T. that this is Scotty from Marketing we’re talking about, and no-one in Australia trusts him either.
Macron got what he deserved, he was the one who abused the diplomatic protocols in the first place, why? because he was playing to his home politics.
Macron knew that his submarine deal was dead but the little prick pretended he didn’t know.
Scomo was right in not informing him of the AUKUS deal before it was done because Macron would have tried to torpedo it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/france-started-having-doubts-australian-submarine-deal-june-elysee-says-2021-09-20/
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
“Doing so also sends a very worrying signal for all heads of state; beware, in Australia there will be leaks. And what you say in confidence to your partners will be eventually used and weaponised against you one day,” Mr Thebault said.Perhaps someone should mention to Mr T. that this is Scotty from Marketing we’re talking about, and no-one in Australia trusts him either.
Macron got what he deserved, he was the one who abused the diplomatic protocols in the first place, why? because he was playing to his home politics.
Macron knew that his submarine deal was dead but the little prick pretended he didn’t know.
Scomo was right in not informing him of the AUKUS deal before it was done because Macron would have tried to torpedo it.
I hate the Macronites as much as anyone, but I suggest that “The Truth” is a somewhat fuzzy mess somewhere in the middle, rather than clearly defined at one end or the other, as the protagonists would have us believe.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Perhaps someone should mention to Mr T. that this is Scotty from Marketing we’re talking about, and no-one in Australia trusts him either.
Macron got what he deserved, he was the one who abused the diplomatic protocols in the first place, why? because he was playing to his home politics.
Macron knew that his submarine deal was dead but the little prick pretended he didn’t know.
Scomo was right in not informing him of the AUKUS deal before it was done because Macron would have tried to torpedo it.
I hate the Macronites as much as anyone, but I suggest that “The Truth” is a somewhat fuzzy mess somewhere in the middle, rather than clearly defined at one end or the other, as the protagonists would have us believe.
If I understand correctly the french subs use a lot of US software and so it is important that the french and US remain friends.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:Macron got what he deserved, he was the one who abused the diplomatic protocols in the first place, why? because he was playing to his home politics.
Macron knew that his submarine deal was dead but the little prick pretended he didn’t know.
Scomo was right in not informing him of the AUKUS deal before it was done because Macron would have tried to torpedo it.
I hate the Macronites as much as anyone, but I suggest that “The Truth” is a somewhat fuzzy mess somewhere in the middle, rather than clearly defined at one end or the other, as the protagonists would have us believe.
If I understand correctly the french subs use a lot of US software and so it is important that the french and US remain friends.
Yes.
Australia and France should remain friends too.
I wonder what influence the British had in keeping the whole AUKUS thing secret from the France in order score some cheap domestic political points for the Tories in sticking it up the French. There was not really any need to do things in such a fashion. We may need to buy French aircraft one day for our new aircraft carriers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Perhaps someone should mention to Mr T. that this is Scotty from Marketing we’re talking about, and no-one in Australia trusts him either.
Macron got what he deserved, he was the one who abused the diplomatic protocols in the first place, why? because he was playing to his home politics.
Macron knew that his submarine deal was dead but the little prick pretended he didn’t know.
Scomo was right in not informing him of the AUKUS deal before it was done because Macron would have tried to torpedo it.
I hate the Macronites as much as anyone, but I suggest that “The Truth” is a somewhat fuzzy mess somewhere in the middle, rather than clearly defined at one end or the other, as the protagonists would have us believe.
we have the leaked message from macron re good or bad news but we don’t, afaik, have scomos answer. so we really don’t know what macron was alluding to.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:Macron got what he deserved, he was the one who abused the diplomatic protocols in the first place, why? because he was playing to his home politics.
Macron knew that his submarine deal was dead but the little prick pretended he didn’t know.
Scomo was right in not informing him of the AUKUS deal before it was done because Macron would have tried to torpedo it.
I hate the Macronites as much as anyone, but I suggest that “The Truth” is a somewhat fuzzy mess somewhere in the middle, rather than clearly defined at one end or the other, as the protagonists would have us believe.
we have the leaked message from macron re good or bad news but we don’t, afaik, have scomos answer. so we really don’t know what macron was alluding to.
I read the leaked message and couldn’t put much into it except “hey! How are we going with this?”
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2021/11/06/how-morrison-spectacularly-failed-the-diplomacy-test/163611720012829
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
Is that because the opposition have no leader?
dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
Bill Shorten just doesn’t have the same media profile as the PM :)
dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
I don’t see what’s so funny about it. I’ve always said that Albanese is an idiot.
Ironically, given his attitude to climate change, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott inadvertently created the framework for a carbon price when he axed Julia Gillard’s carbon tax, writes Ian Verrender.
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.I don’t see what’s so funny about it. I’ve always said that Albanese is an idiot.
He’s no idiot. He’s avoided the top job for how long now and still gets paid plenty without the woes.
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.I don’t see what’s so funny about it. I’ve always said that Albanese is an idiot.
You think he’s more of an idiot than Morrison?
Most of what he says seems pretty reasonable to me.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
Is that because the opposition have no leader?
communists
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
Is that because the opposition have no leader?
communists
Gullability factor.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
Is that because the opposition have no leader?
communists
Gullability factor.
There is no suggestion that Michael Sukkar, his brother Paul Sukkar, Marcus Bastiaan, Josh Bonney or Kevin Andrews acted illegally.
Right but remember how it’s only a problem if done by the others.
Morning punters and correctors, got 35mm overnight at the redoubt, the creek crossing repairs seem to be holding up alright.
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:dv said:
Sfunny, even as the Coalition are 8 points behind, Morrison remains 20+ ahead on the preferred Prime Minister game.
Is that because the opposition have no leader?
communists
I reckon you should ask Penn and Teller.
It is all an illusion.
roughbarked said:
I reckon you should ask Penn and Teller.It is all an illusion.
The problem is that Morrison and his mob are crap at sleight-of-hand.
Everyone can see what they’re doing, and how they’re doing it, but they remain on the stage.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
I reckon you should ask Penn and Teller.It is all an illusion.
The problem is that Morrison and his mob are crap at sleight-of-hand.
Everyone can see what they’re doing, and how they’re doing it, but they remain on the stage.
It must be the air brushing of Scomo’s image?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/michael-sukkar-knew-of-scheme-that-misused-public-funds-to-boost-faction-20211104-p5960i.html
https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-if-the-government-is-re-elected-it-may-be-in-spite-of-scott-morrison-rather-than-because-of-him-171213
http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8878-federal-voting-intention-december-2021-202112092249
ALP (56.5%) increases lead over the L-NP (43.5%) to the largest since the last election as Morrison Government mired in infighting in final weeks of year
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It’s just one poll. Better to consider polling averages.
But damn son.
dv said:
http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8878-federal-voting-intention-december-2021-202112092249ALP (56.5%) increases lead over the L-NP (43.5%) to the largest since the last election as Morrison Government mired in infighting in final weeks of year
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It’s just one poll. Better to consider polling averages.
But damn son.
I hate them more than that.
