And here it is.
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
Heah hear but still not a silver bullet.
Need to wait until all the anti-vaxxers die out.
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
Heah hear but still not a silver bullet.
Need to wait until all the anti-vaxxers die out.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
I get my first tomorrow.
goodo. :)
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
Heah hear but still not a silver bullet.
Need to wait until all the anti-vaxxers die out.
When that happens house prices here will plummet.
Maybe I could afford to be your neighbour?
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
I get my first tomorrow.
Excellent.
:)
We are both double-vaxxed now.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Heah hear but still not a silver bullet.
Need to wait until all the anti-vaxxers die out.
When that happens house prices here will plummet.Maybe I could afford to be your neighbour?
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:That’s good. Excellent, in fact. If we could get every area up to 95% double dose, it’d be brilliant.
I get my first tomorrow.Excellent.
:)
We are both double-vaxxed now.
Due to covid, I cannot get in to Sydney spinal and he can’t come here. The Dr sent the referral to them because the bloke who I saw last time, comes from Canberra. Stupid doctor… Sydney is in lockdown too.
Mid November is the earliest I can get my spine looked at let alone fixed.
Shoulder surgeon is also booked out.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:When that happens house prices here will plummet.
Maybe I could afford to be your neighbour?
You’d fit right in.
:)
I’ve been told that before.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Maybe I could afford to be your neighbour?
You’d fit right in.:)
I’ve been told that before.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:You’d fit right in.
:)
I’ve been told that before.
How do you feel about wind farms?
ambivalent. They are a different view but then they are more attractive than coal mines.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said::)
I’ve been told that before.
How do you feel about wind farms?ambivalent. They are a different view but then they are more attractive than coal mines.
Though I’m more partial to solar on every roof space.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/20/daniel-andrews-warns-victorians-not-to-wait-for-pfizer-after-uncertainty-around-arrival-of-9m-doses
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said::)
I’ve been told that before.
How do you feel about wind farms?ambivalent. They are a different view but then they are more attractive than coal mines.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:You’d fit right in.
:)
I’ve been told that before.
How do you feel about wind farms?
I think they look fantastic up on that green ridge near you. They were the first I’d seen in Australia. And they always seemed to be turning when I drove by.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said::)
I’ve been told that before.
How do you feel about wind farms?I think they look fantastic up on that green ridge near you. They were the first I’d seen in Australia. And they always seemed to be turning when I drove by.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said::)
I’ve been told that before.
How do you feel about wind farms?I think they look fantastic up on that green ridge near you. They were the first I’d seen in Australia. And they always seemed to be turning when I drove by.
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
We are at 100% double dosed in my LHA (local household area). Junior sprog received her second dose of Pz yesterday.
sibeen said:
Speedy said:
We are up to 95% first dose in my LGA.
We are at 100% double dosed in my LHA (local household area). Junior sprog received her second dose of Pz yesterday.
:) We will be at 100% in our LHA by Friday.
Betoota Advocate:
‘Exhausted ICU Nurse Immediately Joins The CFMEU After Seeing Them Punch On With Anti-Vaxxers’
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/overwhelmed-icu-nurse-immediately-joins-the-cfmeu-after-seeing-them-punch-on-with-anti-vaxxers/
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:‘Exhausted ICU Nurse Immediately Joins The CFMEU After Seeing Them Punch On With Anti-Vaxxers’
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/overwhelmed-icu-nurse-immediately-joins-the-cfmeu-after-seeing-them-punch-on-with-anti-vaxxers/
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/09/21/union-claims-protesters-werent-real-tradies-theres-no-way-theyd-all-turn-up-on-time/
‘The CFMEU has blamed outsiders for yesterday’s violent rally, saying the idea that two hundred tradies would all turn up at the specified time was fanciful.’
The CFMEU are liars, theives and corrupt to the top .
The BLF morphed into the BWIU and then into the CFMEU .
Same arseholes different piece of toilet paper sticking to them.
Brett
Thomo said:
The CFMEU are liars, theives and corrupt to the top .
The BLF morphed into the BWIU and then into the CFMEU .
Same arseholes different piece of toilet paper sticking to them.Brett
No need to hold back mate, tell us what you really think.
I was holding back
:)
How are you DO ?
Hope you and yours are well .
Brett
Thomo said:
The CFMEU are liars, theives and corrupt to the top .
The BLF morphed into the BWIU and then into the CFMEU .
Same arseholes different piece of toilet paper sticking to them.Brett
Fascist bully boys
col colin for lunch.
Thomo said:
I was holding back :)
How are you DO ?
Hope you and yours are well .
Brett
Doing good, and stuff.
We need to catch up – feel free to send me an email at miketz at gmail :)
roughbarked said:
Due to covid, I cannot get in to Sydney spinal and he can’t come here. The Dr sent the referral to them because the bloke who I saw last time, comes from Canberra. Stupid doctor… Sydney is in lockdown too.
Mid November is the earliest I can get my spine looked at let alone fixed.
Shoulder surgeon is also booked out.
Damn, sorry about your healthcare difficulties. We also apologise for the leveraging we’re about to do to make the following point.
Given how they’re doing only emergency operations and have other operating rooms full of COVID-19 in NSWuhan, those waiting times are going to fucking bolt like cabbage in the middle of summer.
Thank Corruption
ChrispenEvan said:
Wait, so NSWuhan is now enjoying Moderna for their young teenagers but VIC are still swimming in shit¿
ruby said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:
‘Exhausted ICU Nurse Immediately Joins The CFMEU After Seeing Them Punch On With Anti-Vaxxers’
‘The CFMEU has blamed outsiders for yesterday’s violent rally, saying the idea that two hundred tradies would all turn up at the specified time was fanciful.’
LIFELONG LOYALTY: Victoria has today recorded another 567 new community cases in greater Melbourne, bumping the number of active cases in the state to 5,675. There are 209 Victorians in hospital, 59 of those are in intensive care and 40 are on a ventilator. Of those in hospital, 86 per cent are not vaccinated and 12 per cent were partially vaccinated. With these statistics, it is now undeniable that the selfishness of anti-vaxxer conspiracists is directly responsible for the overwhelmed healthcare system. Frontline workers around the country say they are growing tired of putting their lives at risk to help treat people who end up in ICU beds as a result of the dangerous misinformation that undermines every effort to control this virus.
—
¿ this stuff is meant to be satire ?
Dark Orange said:
Thomo said:
I was holding back :)
How are you DO ?
Hope you and yours are well .
Brett
Doing good, and stuff.
We need to catch up – feel free to send me an email at miketz at gmail :)
I will
Brett
I’m glad the ABC journalists are fulfilling their duties by correctly noting “the protestors, some of whom self-identified as union members” .
Peak Warming Man said:
col colin for lunch.
?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
col colin for lunch.
?
Colcannon.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
col colin for lunch.
?
colcannon.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/new-zealand-police-arrest-pair-trying-to-enter-auckland-with-large-amount-of-kfc
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/new-zealand-police-arrest-pair-trying-to-enter-auckland-with-large-amount-of-kfc
Only in NZ.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/new-zealand-police-arrest-pair-trying-to-enter-auckland-with-large-amount-of-kfcOnly in NZ.
Wonder why police decided not to disclose the number of fries.
Little voice: Possibly because they scoffed them all themselves.
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/new-zealand-police-arrest-pair-trying-to-enter-auckland-with-large-amount-of-kfc
“Close examination of the police evidence photos revealed at least three buckets of chicken, up to 10 tubs of coleslaw, and an undisclosed quantity of fries.”
These people are hardened criminals, they are not your petty thieves with a few Junior Burgers just doing it for kicks.
On 19 September 2021 there was a protest by hundreds of people against mandatory union membership for construction workers outside the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union headquarters. To be allowed to work, tradespeople were required to have a current union membership and a big fat gut. The protest became violent, the union building was damaged, and riot police employed pepper spray and rubber bullets. Combined with an increase in transmission of COVID-19 in the industry, from 11.59pm that night all building and construction industry worksites in Ballarat, Geelong, Metropolitan Melbourne, Mitchell Shire and the Surf Coast were shut down for two weeks.
When unvaccinated Utahns die, loved ones are left to process blame, defensiveness, and regrets
Utah’s coronavirus deaths have overwhelmingly befallen the unvaccinated.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/09/19/when-unvaccinated-utahns/
:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-21/more-americans-have-died-from-covid-19-than-1918-flu-pandemic/100480600
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383
Shit is getting serious.
From the guardian blog:
So, CFMEU boss Dave Noonan is in a bit of a back and forth with the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas about the makeup of today’s protest.
Noonan is insistent that these protests are an attempt to “co-opt” the union, that a majority of the attendees are “anti-vaccination extremists” and “far right and neo-Nazi groups”.
But Karvelas pushed Noonan on that point, saying there were reports that “at least half” of the protesters are “genuinely” construction workers and tradies.
Noonan was dismissive:
There are a handful but I think if you look on the social media, you will see there is a very coordinated social media campaign. Some say it originates out of Germany where there are – there is some coordination of global right-wing groups.
Yesterday, we had a range of neo-Nazi groups that were mingling in that crowd and, frankly, anyone who says that there is a large number of construction or a majority of construction workers in it that, they have got it wrong.
There is no way that half the people there were members of the union.
I’m not saying there is none, there were some tradespeople there, some union members, but they were few. What they are doing has nothing to do with unionism, it has everything to do with fear and misinformation, and being manipulated by some very sinister right-wing causes.
When asked how he can tell who is and isn’t a “genuine” tradie, Noonan scoffs and points to his 30 years in the construction industry:
If you are wearing a $5 high-vis that you bought at the supermarket, I mean, if you have been in construction all of your life, most of your adult life, which I have, you know.
There is a very, very significant number of people that aren’t construction workers. It was an orchestrated attack on the union yesterday.
It’s good to learn that a tradie can easily be spotted.
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383Shit is getting serious.
Bloody!
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383Shit is getting serious.
Dear oh dear.
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383Shit is getting serious.
that is what Margaret sent.
I told it was innappropriate protest.
And there were better things to protest if one must.
sibeen said:
From the guardian blog:So, CFMEU boss Dave Noonan is in a bit of a back and forth with the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas about the makeup of today’s protest.
Noonan is insistent that these protests are an attempt to “co-opt” the union, that a majority of the attendees are “anti-vaccination extremists” and “far right and neo-Nazi groups”.
But Karvelas pushed Noonan on that point, saying there were reports that “at least half” of the protesters are “genuinely” construction workers and tradies.
Noonan was dismissive:
There are a handful but I think if you look on the social media, you will see there is a very coordinated social media campaign. Some say it originates out of Germany where there are – there is some coordination of global right-wing groups.
Yesterday, we had a range of neo-Nazi groups that were mingling in that crowd and, frankly, anyone who says that there is a large number of construction or a majority of construction workers in it that, they have got it wrong.
There is no way that half the people there were members of the union.
I’m not saying there is none, there were some tradespeople there, some union members, but they were few. What they are doing has nothing to do with unionism, it has everything to do with fear and misinformation, and being manipulated by some very sinister right-wing causes.
When asked how he can tell who is and isn’t a “genuine” tradie, Noonan scoffs and points to his 30 years in the construction industry:
If you are wearing a $5 high-vis that you bought at the supermarket, I mean, if you have been in construction all of your life, most of your adult life, which I have, you know.
There is a very, very significant number of people that aren’t construction workers. It was an orchestrated attack on the union yesterday.
It’s good to learn that a tradie can easily be spotted.
Even if they were all unionists it stands to reason that they’re the 1% of unionists who are 100% batshit covid crazy.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383Shit is getting serious.
that is what Margaret sent.
I told it was innappropriate protest.
And there were better things to protest if one must.
That’s a riot, not a protest.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
From the guardian blog:So, CFMEU boss Dave Noonan is in a bit of a back and forth with the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas about the makeup of today’s protest.
Noonan is insistent that these protests are an attempt to “co-opt” the union, that a majority of the attendees are “anti-vaccination extremists” and “far right and neo-Nazi groups”.
But Karvelas pushed Noonan on that point, saying there were reports that “at least half” of the protesters are “genuinely” construction workers and tradies.
Noonan was dismissive:
There are a handful but I think if you look on the social media, you will see there is a very coordinated social media campaign. Some say it originates out of Germany where there are – there is some coordination of global right-wing groups.
Yesterday, we had a range of neo-Nazi groups that were mingling in that crowd and, frankly, anyone who says that there is a large number of construction or a majority of construction workers in it that, they have got it wrong.
There is no way that half the people there were members of the union.
I’m not saying there is none, there were some tradespeople there, some union members, but they were few. What they are doing has nothing to do with unionism, it has everything to do with fear and misinformation, and being manipulated by some very sinister right-wing causes.
When asked how he can tell who is and isn’t a “genuine” tradie, Noonan scoffs and points to his 30 years in the construction industry:
If you are wearing a $5 high-vis that you bought at the supermarket, I mean, if you have been in construction all of your life, most of your adult life, which I have, you know.
There is a very, very significant number of people that aren’t construction workers. It was an orchestrated attack on the union yesterday.
It’s good to learn that a tradie can easily be spotted.
Even if they were all unionists it stands to reason that they’re the 1% of unionists who are 100% batshit covid crazy.
Oh, agreed. I’m just laughing at the fact that a tradie can easily be identified by someone who has been in the industry for 30 years.
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383Shit is getting serious.
a wonderful thing, media’s capacity to liberate native intelligence
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
From the guardian blog:So, CFMEU boss Dave Noonan is in a bit of a back and forth with the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas about the makeup of today’s protest.
Noonan is insistent that these protests are an attempt to “co-opt” the union, that a majority of the attendees are “anti-vaccination extremists” and “far right and neo-Nazi groups”.
But Karvelas pushed Noonan on that point, saying there were reports that “at least half” of the protesters are “genuinely” construction workers and tradies.
Noonan was dismissive:
There are a handful but I think if you look on the social media, you will see there is a very coordinated social media campaign. Some say it originates out of Germany where there are – there is some coordination of global right-wing groups.
Yesterday, we had a range of neo-Nazi groups that were mingling in that crowd and, frankly, anyone who says that there is a large number of construction or a majority of construction workers in it that, they have got it wrong.
There is no way that half the people there were members of the union.
I’m not saying there is none, there were some tradespeople there, some union members, but they were few. What they are doing has nothing to do with unionism, it has everything to do with fear and misinformation, and being manipulated by some very sinister right-wing causes.
When asked how he can tell who is and isn’t a “genuine” tradie, Noonan scoffs and points to his 30 years in the construction industry:
If you are wearing a $5 high-vis that you bought at the supermarket, I mean, if you have been in construction all of your life, most of your adult life, which I have, you know.
There is a very, very significant number of people that aren’t construction workers. It was an orchestrated attack on the union yesterday.
It’s good to learn that a tradie can easily be spotted.
Even if they were all unionists it stands to reason that they’re the 1% of unionists who are 100% batshit covid crazy.
Oh, agreed. I’m just laughing at the fact that a tradie can easily be identified by someone who has been in the industry for 30 years.
it’s like that tradie advert with the fake tradie. everyone knew he wasn’t a tradie.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
From the guardian blog:So, CFMEU boss Dave Noonan is in a bit of a back and forth with the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas about the makeup of today’s protest.
Noonan is insistent that these protests are an attempt to “co-opt” the union, that a majority of the attendees are “anti-vaccination extremists” and “far right and neo-Nazi groups”.
But Karvelas pushed Noonan on that point, saying there were reports that “at least half” of the protesters are “genuinely” construction workers and tradies.
Noonan was dismissive:
There are a handful but I think if you look on the social media, you will see there is a very coordinated social media campaign. Some say it originates out of Germany where there are – there is some coordination of global right-wing groups.
Yesterday, we had a range of neo-Nazi groups that were mingling in that crowd and, frankly, anyone who says that there is a large number of construction or a majority of construction workers in it that, they have got it wrong.
There is no way that half the people there were members of the union.
I’m not saying there is none, there were some tradespeople there, some union members, but they were few. What they are doing has nothing to do with unionism, it has everything to do with fear and misinformation, and being manipulated by some very sinister right-wing causes.
When asked how he can tell who is and isn’t a “genuine” tradie, Noonan scoffs and points to his 30 years in the construction industry:
If you are wearing a $5 high-vis that you bought at the supermarket, I mean, if you have been in construction all of your life, most of your adult life, which I have, you know.
There is a very, very significant number of people that aren’t construction workers. It was an orchestrated attack on the union yesterday.
It’s good to learn that a tradie can easily be spotted.
Even if they were all unionists it stands to reason that they’re the 1% of unionists who are 100% batshit covid crazy.
Oh, agreed. I’m just laughing at the fact that a tradie can easily be identified by someone who has been in the industry for 30 years.
Arse cracks on display perhaps
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/NialFinegan/status/1440194156643557383Shit is getting serious.
that is what Margaret sent.
I told it was innappropriate protest.
And there were better things to protest if one must.
That’s a riot, not a protest.
Yep. A riot.
My idea of a tradie is not some unionised construction worker, it is of a self employed sole trader.
Peak Warming Man said:
My idea of a tradie is not some unionised construction worker, it is of a self employed sole trader.
I don’t consider myself a tradie
Peak Warming Man said:
My idea of a tradie is not some unionised construction worker, it is of a self employed sole trader.
I’m a tradesman. never self employed in that trade.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
My idea of a tradie is not some unionised construction worker, it is of a self employed sole trader.
I don’t consider myself a tradie
you’re a pro.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
My idea of a tradie is not some unionised construction worker, it is of a self employed sole trader.
I don’t consider myself a tradie
you’re a pro.
(blushes)
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:I don’t consider myself a tradie
you’re a pro.
(blushes)
Prostitute for big oil was my reading.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:I don’t consider myself a tradie
you’re a pro.
(blushes)
it’s my betty davis eyes.
Peak Warming Man said:
My idea of a tradie is not some unionised construction worker, it is of a self employed sole trader.
Look, of course they’re not tradies. They all turned up at the date and time they previously specified…
so what you’re all saying is that these riots protests were driven or indeed staged by the right wing extremists and their mainstream corruption coalition enablers, specifically as a false flag operation to expose labour unions and Labor to retaliatory action
who are the conspiracy theorists now eh
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:you’re a pro.
(blushes)
Prostitute for big oil was my reading.
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklian
Alan Tudge covering himself in glory.
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017Alan Tudge covering himself in glory.
Like a pig in shit. Roll yourself around in it Alan, get a nice covering…
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklianAlan Tudge covering himself in glory.
>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
wait so it’s true and not just some conspiracy theory
oh
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklianAlan Tudge covering himself in glory.
>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
Say what you like, watching this on the news, the concern for safe working conditions of the great majority of the protestors is reflected in the great care with which they have kept their high vis vests in as-new condition.
I can still remember when all those right wing unionists smashed their way into parliament house once.
sarahs mum said:
Shaun Micallef
@shaunmicallef
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Vic Roads have put up a very helpful sign at the entrance to the West Gate Bridge.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklianAlan Tudge covering himself in glory.
>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
It’s just impossible to believe this cunt is in, or near, Federal cabinet.
They’re in government but a lot of them have given up on the value of good governance.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklianAlan Tudge covering himself in glory.
>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
Say what you like, watching this on the news, the concern for safe working conditions of the great majority of the protestors is reflected in the great care with which they have kept their high vis vests in as-new condition.
Roflmfao
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
Say what you like, watching this on the news, the concern for safe working conditions of the great majority of the protestors is reflected in the great care with which they have kept their high vis vests in as-new condition.
Roflmfao
Actually I think that’s going straight to the pool room
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklianAlan Tudge covering himself in glory.
>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
It’s just impossible to believe this cunt is in, or near, Federal cabinet.
They’re in government but a lot of them have given up on the value of good governance.
Well if backing Nazi rioters against the police, nurses, doctors, state government and ordinary responsible citizens is good enough for Murdoch, then it’s good enough for Scomo’s lads.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1440235715158102017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440235715158102017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2021%2Fsep%2F21%2Faustralia-covid-victoria-construction-industry-daniel-andrews-melbourne-gladys-sydney-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-berejiklianAlan Tudge covering himself in glory.
>“I do not recognise our city or state any more”
Surely he recognises some of his Nazi mates amongst the rioters.
It’s just impossible to believe this cunt is in, or near, Federal cabinet.
They’re in government but a lot of them have given up on the value of good governance.
It is because they know they can do whatever they want, and they’ll still be voted in at the next election, just like the last one.
SCIENCE said:
so what you’re all saying is that theseriotsprotests were driven or indeed staged by the right wing extremists and their mainstream corruption coalition enablers, specifically as a false flag operation to expose labour unions and Labor to retaliatory actionwho are the conspiracy theorists now eh
doubt lot of people can see the woods for the trees anymore, the propaganda machine’s been quite effective at working on quarantine-light for people traveling in, some domestic challenges and noise helps with that, distractions of any sort, covid noise and whatever else
the biggest obstacle to raising covid noise is elimination, or the quiet of jurisdictions where covid doesn’t exist
OK, this is strange. It’s the best footage I’ve seen about yesterday’s rioting in Melbourne. It is done by a well known right winger. Goes for about 15 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&ab_channel=AviYemini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8yU2hiY28
sibeen said:
OK, this is strange. It’s the best footage I’ve seen about yesterday’s rioting in Melbourne. It is done by a well known right winger. Goes for about 15 minutes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&ab_channel=AviYemini
Its really hard for me to watch. I’m a bit delicate when it comes to mob anger.
sibeen said:
OK, this is strange. It’s the best footage I’ve seen about yesterday’s rioting in Melbourne. It is done by a well known right winger. Goes for about 15 minutes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&ab_channel=AviYemini
watched that
sibeen said:
OK, this is strange. It’s the best footage I’ve seen about yesterday’s rioting in Melbourne. It is done by a well known right winger. Goes for about 15 minutes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&ab_channel=AviYemini
So why is it strange? I’d rather not have to watch it to find out.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
OK, this is strange. It’s the best footage I’ve seen about yesterday’s rioting in Melbourne. It is done by a well known right winger. Goes for about 15 minutes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&ab_channel=AviYemini
So why is it strange? I’d rather not have to watch it to find out.
More who made the video. Was in interviewing the protestors, the vast majority he interviewed seemed to be construction workers – although selective editing may have been employed.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
OK, this is strange. It’s the best footage I’ve seen about yesterday’s rioting in Melbourne. It is done by a well known right winger. Goes for about 15 minutes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&ab_channel=AviYemini
So why is it strange? I’d rather not have to watch it to find out.
More who made the video. Was in interviewing the protestors, the vast majority he interviewed seemed to be construction workers – although selective editing may have been employed.
Knowing Avi that wouldn’t surprise me.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:So why is it strange? I’d rather not have to watch it to find out.
More who made the video. Was in interviewing the protestors, the vast majority he interviewed seemed to be construction workers – although selective editing may have been employed.
Knowing Avi that wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:More who made the video. Was in interviewing the protestors, the vast majority he interviewed seemed to be construction workers – although selective editing may have been employed.
Knowing Avi that wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
Lot of Nazis in construction.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:More who made the video. Was in interviewing the protestors, the vast majority he interviewed seemed to be construction workers – although selective editing may have been employed.
Knowing Avi that wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
Given that nearly a quarter of a million people are employed in the Victorian construction industry, it wouldn’t surprise me to find there are enough Nazis, anti-vax nutters and general idiots amongst them to join in these riots.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:Knowing Avi that wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
Lot of Nazis in construction.
Yeah, but they have to be union members :)
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:Knowing Avi that wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
Given that nearly a quarter of a million people are employed in the Victorian construction industry, it wouldn’t surprise me to find there are enough Nazis, anti-vax nutters and general idiots amongst them to join in these riots.
Construction site radios go all day, and are most often tuned to stations that have right-wing commentators.
just a quick question for you construction workers
why is Daryl Braithwaite a thing
is it as Michael V says because their radios are most often tuned to stations that have right-wing commentators
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
Given that nearly a quarter of a million people are employed in the Victorian construction industry, it wouldn’t surprise me to find there are enough Nazis, anti-vax nutters and general idiots amongst them to join in these riots.
Construction site radios go all day, and are most often tuned to stations that have right-wing commentators.
Spotify playlists are all the rag nowadays.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Given that nearly a quarter of a million people are employed in the Victorian construction industry, it wouldn’t surprise me to find there are enough Nazis, anti-vax nutters and general idiots amongst them to join in these riots.
Construction site radios go all day, and are most often tuned to stations that have right-wing commentators.
Spotify playlists are all the rag nowadays.
For some. certainly not all.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Yes, but the wider shots also seemed to indicate more of a construction working crowd.
I will admit that my tradar may be well off, unlike CFMEU boss Dave Noonan I haven’t been in construction all my life.
Given that nearly a quarter of a million people are employed in the Victorian construction industry, it wouldn’t surprise me to find there are enough Nazis, anti-vax nutters and general idiots amongst them to join in these riots.
Construction site radios go all day, and are most often tuned to stations that have right-wing commentators.
Yep, but I feel that there has been quite a bit of the “no true Scotsman” argument thrown about in the last few days by many in the union movement.
Was there a riot on today?
party_pants said:
Was there a riot on today?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1440194156643557383
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Was there a riot on today?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1440194156643557383
don’t we have a vehicle with a water canon? I’m sure one was deployed against asylum seekers at some camp in SA.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Was there a riot on today?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1440194156643557383
don’t we have a vehicle with a water canon? I’m sure one was deployed against asylum seekers at some camp in SA.
Border restrictions.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
Was there a riot on today?
Yes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1440194156643557383
don’t we have a vehicle with a water canon? I’m sure one was deployed against asylum seekers at some camp in SA.
Australia
The State of New South Wales in Australia purchased a water cannon in 2007, with a view to using it during an APEC meeting in Sydney that year. It was not used. It was the first purchase of a water cannon in Australia.
wiki
LOL
The NSW construction industry will return to 100 per cent capacity in just under a week, the state government has announced.
All constructions sites will be able to have one person per four square metres even if unvaccinated workers are present.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/09/22/tga-death-threats/
Police making swift arrests this morning. First five protestors that turned up taken straight away.
sibeen said:
Police making swift arrests this morning. First five protestors that turned up taken straight away.
That should stop them. Good morning sir, step this way.
sibeen said:
Police making swift arrests this morning. First five protestors that turned up taken straight away.
Good. Bloody good!
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
Police making swift arrests this morning. First five protestors that turned up taken straight away.
That should stop them. Good morning sir, step this way.
Send them to the covid wards
Mandatory vaccinations for all Victorian school teachers and child care workers
Victoria’s deputy premier James Merlino has confirmed that a vaccine mandate will be brought in for all teachers in the state’s primary and high school system and staff at early childhood learning settings, with the deadline for the first does set for just over three weeks times on 18 October.
The Chief Health Officer has advised that vaccination will be a requirement of work. This is a direction under the public health and well-being acts and a CHO direction and a requirement of all staff at all schools, government, Catholic and independent, and all early childhood care settings and vaccination will be a requirement of work, via a CHO direction under a public health and well-being acts.
We all know that vaccination is the pathway through the pandemic. The requirement will be first dose by October 18 and the second dose, fully vaccinated by November 29.
Will be interesting to see how the teachers union handles this.
sibeen said:
Mandatory vaccinations for all Victorian school teachers and child care workers
Victoria’s deputy premier James Merlino has confirmed that a vaccine mandate will be brought in for all teachers in the state’s primary and high school system and staff at early childhood learning settings, with the deadline for the first does set for just over three weeks times on 18 October.The Chief Health Officer has advised that vaccination will be a requirement of work. This is a direction under the public health and well-being acts and a CHO direction and a requirement of all staff at all schools, government, Catholic and independent, and all early childhood care settings and vaccination will be a requirement of work, via a CHO direction under a public health and well-being acts.
We all know that vaccination is the pathway through the pandemic. The requirement will be first dose by October 18 and the second dose, fully vaccinated by November 29.
Will be interesting to see how the teachers union handles this.
It is a big deal to expect people to be fully vaccinated before resuming work.
I don’t think it is, certain sectors of workers seem to think they are either picked on or should be exempt (for whatever reason, usually something stupid)
Allowances should be allowed if you have an adverse reaction to it and need time to recover, but just get on with it and cooperate
Its not some conspiracy, violation of humans rights (you might be violating human rights by not doing what you can to protect others)
I do wonder if those that protest are antivaxxers and/or just stupid people and those that use it as excuse to riot and hide within a large group
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Mandatory vaccinations for all Victorian school teachers and child care workers
Victoria’s deputy premier James Merlino has confirmed that a vaccine mandate will be brought in for all teachers in the state’s primary and high school system and staff at early childhood learning settings, with the deadline for the first does set for just over three weeks times on 18 October.The Chief Health Officer has advised that vaccination will be a requirement of work. This is a direction under the public health and well-being acts and a CHO direction and a requirement of all staff at all schools, government, Catholic and independent, and all early childhood care settings and vaccination will be a requirement of work, via a CHO direction under a public health and well-being acts.
We all know that vaccination is the pathway through the pandemic. The requirement will be first dose by October 18 and the second dose, fully vaccinated by November 29.
Will be interesting to see how the teachers union handles this.
It is a big deal to expect people to be fully vaccinated before resuming work.
I don’t think it is, certain sectors of workers seem to think they are either picked on or should be exempt (for whatever reason, usually something stupid)
Allowances should be allowed if you have an adverse reaction to it and need time to recover, but just get on with it and cooperate
Its not some conspiracy, violation of humans rights (you might be violating human rights by not doing what you can to protect others)
I do wonder if those that protest are antivaxxers and/or just stupid people and those that use it as excuse to riot and hide within a large group
we mean actually giving them all a shot or 2 is 2/3 effective but making them all N95+ mask up is like 99.9% effective so sure claim that vaccination is the way through
of course being communist authoritarians we support making both mandatory for 99.967% effectiveness
Unions being anti vaccine is also strange as surely getting them comes under OH&S for workers to protect them
Cymek said:
Unions being anti vaccine is also strange as surely getting them comes under OH&S for workers to protect them
right so who do we believe
the “we are union and we are violently protesting against vaccination” crowd
or the “we are union and those rioters are not representative of us” group
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Unions being anti vaccine is also strange as surely getting them comes under OH&S for workers to protect themright so who do we believe
the “we are union and we are violently protesting against vaccination” crowd
or the “we are union and those rioters are not representative of us” group
Bit of both perhaps, some dead head unions boys protesting and supposedly the crowd was infiltrated by neo nazis looking to stir up trouble
ASIO supposedly warned the government of terrors threats from within (non Muslim) and no one took notice
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
Here it says yes.
https://www.healthywa.wa.gov.au/News/2021/COVID-19-vaccinations-protect-mothers-and-babies
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
not sure if they rely much on IgA but for mucosal immunity the protecting probably should
the vaccine itself, d’n‘o’
Speedy said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?Here it says yes.
https://www.healthywa.wa.gov.au/News/2021/COVID-19-vaccinations-protect-mothers-and-babies
Also here:
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/03/study-shows-covid-19-vaccinated-mothers-pass-antibodies-to-newborns/
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
I recommend you get vaccinated in the standard way
dv said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
I recommend you get vaccinated in the standard way
eating newborn or breastfeeding babies
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
I recommend you get vaccinated in the standard way
eating newborn or breastfeeding babies
Trevs known for his F&Ms.
dv said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?I recommend you get vaccinated in the standard way
What about just playing with boobies would that work
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?
I recommend you get vaccinated in the standard way
eating newborn or breastfeeding babies
Speedy said:
Speedy said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Do Covid vaccines pass through placentas, or breast milk, in any meaningful way?Here it says yes.
https://www.healthywa.wa.gov.au/News/2021/COVID-19-vaccinations-protect-mothers-and-babies
Also here:
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/03/study-shows-covid-19-vaccinated-mothers-pass-antibodies-to-newborns/
Ok excellent. I’ll pass that n to my daughter in law when she is feeling better. She is twelve days out from giving birth and is struggling a little what with the being out of hospital after a day and then getting fuck all after care due to Covid and the lockdown and all that brings.
Seriously she has basically been left alone with very little after care due to Covid restrictions.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Speedy said:
Speedy said:Here it says yes.
https://www.healthywa.wa.gov.au/News/2021/COVID-19-vaccinations-protect-mothers-and-babies
Also here:
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/03/study-shows-covid-19-vaccinated-mothers-pass-antibodies-to-newborns/
Ok excellent. I’ll pass that n to my daughter in law when she is feeling better. She is twelve days out from giving birth and is struggling a little what with the being out of hospital after a day and then getting fuck all after care due to Covid and the lockdown and all that brings.
Seriously she has basically been left alone with very little after care due to Covid restrictions.
That’s not right :( New mothers need to be prioritised during Covid. I hope she is able to find some better support at home.
FWIW, I have another nephew, this time my step-brother’s son, born in Austria. The boy was born on Wednesday morning and they left hospital the following Monday.
Speedy said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Speedy said:Also here:
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/03/study-shows-covid-19-vaccinated-mothers-pass-antibodies-to-newborns/
Ok excellent. I’ll pass that n to my daughter in law when she is feeling better. She is twelve days out from giving birth and is struggling a little what with the being out of hospital after a day and then getting fuck all after care due to Covid and the lockdown and all that brings.
Seriously she has basically been left alone with very little after care due to Covid restrictions.
That’s not right :( New mothers need to be prioritised during Covid. I hope she is able to find some better support at home.
FWIW, I have another nephew, this time my step-brother’s son, born in Austria. The boy was born on Wednesday morning and they left hospital the following Monday.
Its not the leaving the hospital so soon thats a worry its the total lack of anything normal that new mums would normally get in after care. Baby clinic.. nope go to your doctor, go to doctor with new born baby not on your Medicare card pay up front full cost, Have a possible staff or cellulitis infection from where they cut you while giving birth, here is a video appointment for < 2 minutes go pick up antibiotics from chemist, not getting better wait 4 hours in a medical centre to actually get seen in person ( to be fair i cant blame the medical centre they got 2 other doctors and the staff nurse to come and consult over her as well).
I get it… i do … its a bad time right now. still dont help my kids… his wife or their kid…… so yeah they are struggling its their first kid.
Only saving grace is we have permission to go help them whenever we need to even though they are not in our area.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Only saving grace is we have permission to go help them whenever we need to even though they are not in our area.
Excellent.
If I were new Mum I would be happy with phone consults unless it was something I really needed help with. Just keep throwing her love and useful assistance. :)
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.
buffy said:
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.
Just how vigilant are Tas and Aus in general from visitation from small sailing boats.
I mean you can jump in a boat and sail to from small port to port or beach to beach for that matter and no one will bat an eye as to where you’ve come from?
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.Just how vigilant are Tas and Aus in general from visitation from small sailing boats.
I mean you can jump in a boat and sail to from small port to port or beach to beach for that matter and no one will bat an eye as to where you’ve come from?
HAve you been talking to Margaret?
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.Just how vigilant are Tas and Aus in general from visitation from small sailing boats.
I mean you can jump in a boat and sail to from small port to port or beach to beach for that matter and no one will bat an eye as to where you’ve come from?
Oh, I don’t know about that. Small communities notice when different people are about – something the Rainbow Warrior destroyers didn’t count on in NZ. It’s why they were caught.
buffy said:
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.
We’ve had several COVID-infected truck-drive visitations.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.We’ve had several COVID-infected truck-drive visitations.
I thought only popes did visitations…
Neophyte said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I see both SA and WA have had truck driver visitations. That only leaves Qld to go, I guess. Oh, and Tassie, but theirs will more likely be a plane visitation.We’ve had several COVID-infected truck-drive visitations.
I thought only popes did visitations…
I think that you’re thinking of ghosts. The white robes can make it confusing.
sibeen said:
Neophyte said:
Michael V said:We’ve had several COVID-infected truck-drive visitations.
I thought only popes did visitations…
I think that you’re thinking of ghosts. The white robes can make it confusing.
Ooh, ooh! Speaking of ghosts. There is a new series of Ghosts coming on ABC shortly.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/covid-19-death-toll-1918-flu-pandemic
Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic
More than 1,900 people are dying in the US daily on average – the highest level since early March
Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic, with more than 675,000 reported deaths.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/covid-19-death-toll-1918-flu-pandemic
Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic
More than 1,900 people are dying in the US daily on average – the highest level since early March
Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic, with more than 675,000 reported deaths.
now do whole world
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
Only in NZ.
Wonder why police decided not to disclose the number of fries.
Little voice: Possibly because they scoffed them all themselves.
“Close examination of the police evidence photos revealed at least three buckets of chicken, up to 10 tubs of coleslaw, and an undisclosed quantity of fries.”
These people are hardened criminals, they are not your petty thieves with a few Junior Burgers just doing it for kicks.
Your ABC Keeping Up
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-22/men-smuggle-kfc-and-cash-into-auckland-lockdown/100483142
but also
Police said the two men – aged 23 and 30 – are gang associates, who allegedly did a U-turn and attempted to flee when they saw police at the checkpoint.
SCIENCE said:
Your ABC Keeping Up
with the True Balance in journalistic practice
Director of Policy at the Institute of Public Affairs Gideon Rozier slammed the move, saying it was an attack on freedom of speech. “A very important line has been crossed here. Victoria Police are censoring the broadcast media. This is the definition of police state behaviour,” he said. Mr Rozier said media organisations should seek injunctions over the tactic. “This is a desperate move by an inept force,” he said. “Victoria Police is censoring the media because it knows that it is not only losing control of this situation, it is losing the goodwill of the community.”
because that was totally a beneficial voice to hear
but then again at least this fella didn’t remind us how you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides
Prime Minister Scott Morrison described yesterday’s violent protest as highly distressing. “Those events in Melbourne of the protests are very concerning,” he said. “That is unacceptable behaviour, particularly while those in Victoria are dealing with lockdown and many other stresses.”
from
Flock Immunity¡
It’s Almost As If COVID-19 Was Invented By CHINA Just For dv’s Kicks
ellipsis
aha knew it
Victoria makes COVID vaccines compulsory for all school staff as 628 new cases recorded
Mr Merlino also announced a $190 million dollar package for Victorian schools, which will provide thousands of air ventilators to the state’s classrooms.
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see
if you’d simply bought air purifiers for the construction workers’ tea rooms, instead of telling them they couldn’t use them, you wouldn’t have had an ongoing false flag right wing bioterror attack
though surely the filter of a cigarette would have been good enough
SCIENCE said:
Good news everyone
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Good news everyone
I’d like to be freeze dried. In a standing position.
Anyway, Here’s A Living With COVID-19® Take We’re Dead Serious About
⚠ actually serious, there’s good information you should all be aware of
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/well/live/covid-masks-protect.html
It’s true that masks work best when everyone in the room is wearing one. That’s because when an infected person wears a mask, a large percentage of their exhaled infectious particles are trapped, stopping viral spread at the source. And when fewer viral particles are floating around the room, the masks others are wearing would likely block those that have escaped.
But there is also plenty of evidence showing that masks protect the wearer even when others around them are mask-free. The amount of protection depends on the quality of the mask and how well it fits. During a hotel outbreak in Switzerland, for instance, several employees and a guest who tested positive for the coronavirus were wearing only face shields (with no masks); those who wore masks were not infected. And a Tennessee study found that communities with mask mandates had lower hospitalization rates than areas where masks weren’t required.
“Health care workers, scientists who work with nasty pathogens, and workers who may be exposed to hazardous airborne particles on the job rely on specialized masks like N95s for protection, so we know that properly fitted, high-efficiency masks work,” said Linsey Marr, a Virginia Tech engineering professor and one of the world’s leading experts on viral transmission.
N95, KN95 or KF94, works best. While vaccination is the best protection against Covid-19, even vaccinated people are advised to avoid crowds or large groups indoors when the vaccination status of others isn’t known. Given that the Delta variant is far more contagious than other variants, Dr. Marr also recommended wearing the highest-quality mask possible when you can’t keep your distance or be outdoors — or when nobody around you is masking up.
“If I’m in a situation where I have to rely solely on my mask for protection — unvaccinated people may be present, it’s crowded, I don’t know anything about the ventilation — I would wear the best mask in my wardrobe, which is an N95,” said Dr. Marr. “Because Delta has proved to be so much more easily transmitted and because vaccinated people can transmit, we need to wear the best masks possible in high-risk situations.”
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OK we dig most of that but this line concerns us a bit.
N95, KN95 or KF94, works best. While vaccination is the best protection against Covid-19
Sorry did the rest of the article imply that N95 masks were at least 79% protective, and even tucked / doubled surgical masks were about 70% plus¿
Contrasted with other outside data we’re aware of that suggests vaccinations are about 60% to 70% effective¿
Uh… we’ll take the “N95 masks by 99 percent” option thanks.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Good news everyone
I’d like to be freeze dried. In a standing position.
I can get BOC to supply a shed load of dry ice.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Good news everyone
I’d like to be freeze dried. In a standing position.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Good news everyone
I’d like to be freeze dried. In a standing position.
I can get BOC to supply a shed load of dry ice.
furious said:
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:I’d like to be freeze dried. In a standing position.
I can get BOC to supply a shed load of dry ice.
Bastard. I was just about the post the same thing.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:dv said:
Good news everyone
I’d like to be freeze dried. In a standing position.
Ah, I see. Boris…
But Since We(1,1,1)’re All Perfect Cyclists We(1,1,1) Won’t Need Any Of These Techniques
In the face of a global pandemic, with more than 200 million global infections and 4 million deaths, and despite unprecedented efforts by public health officials, celebrities and influencers to convince everyone to wear masks and get vaccinated as soon possible, the results are mixed.
Now, two Princeton researchers have discovered an approach that they found successfully motivated people to make appointments for vaccinations and to consistently follow measures such as social distancing and mask wearing.
“We think we’re onto something unique that hasn’t been tried yet in the COVID context,” said Joel Cooper, a professor of psychology at Princeton. “I kept thinking, there’s a group of people that public service announcements are never going to reach, because they already agree. Oh, they may not be the most enthusiastic, but they already agree that vaccines are good, and people should take them. But they are the ones who find excuses. ‘Oh, it’s too difficult.’ ‘I couldn’t do it now.’ Those are the people who aren’t going to be reached by the other methods going on, but who can be reached with our method.”“In a recent study, between 80 and 90% of adults agreed that wearing a mask is an effective method to prevent the spread of COVID-19, but only 50% of the respondents said that they ‘always’ or even ‘mostly’ wore a mask when in close contact with other people. It is critical to get people to behave in accordance with the CDC guidelines, not just believe that they are the right things to do.”
“I thought, ’It’s easier to convince people who already think it’s the right thing to do, but they’re still not doing it.”
Their research was conducted in two waves, with data collected a week apart. During the first session, participants in the cognitive dissonance test group first advocated for consistent adherence to safety protocols and then were asked to recall times where they had acted unsafely or avoided getting vaccinated when they had the opportunity. Other volunteers were assigned to one of three control groups: advocacy only, mindfulness only, or neither. Participants in all three groups watched a short video encouraging mask-wearing and other anti-COVID-19 measures.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01973533.2021.1953497
Fostering COVID-19 Safe Behaviors Using Cognitive Dissonance
In this study, we tackled an important but neglected aspect of the problem. We focused on the substantial number of people who do not need to be persuaded to comply with COVID-19 safety protocols. They already agree. We focused on people who do not need to be persuaded to be vaccinated. They already agree. They agree, but they do not consistently take action that comports with their intention. They sometimes fail to wear their masks or keep their distance or act diligently to get their vaccine. These are the people whose behavior we tried to change with our dissonance procedure.
(as mentioned earlier being)
After the WHO video, the experimental manipulations occurred. Participants in the Advocacy Condition were prompted to write about three sentences about why it is important to follow Covid-19 safety measures. Participants in the Mindfulness Condition were prompted to write about three sentences describing a time when they did not follow a Covid-19 safety measure. Participants in the Dissonance Condition completed the Advocacy task followed by the Mindfulness task. They wrote about why it is important to follow WHO safety measures and then wrote about a time when they did not follow one of the safety measures.
anyway, that was the good news, here’s the part that doesn’t respond to cognitive dissonance
Not A Victorian Police State
Kassierer weist Kunden auf Maskenpflicht hin und wird erschossen
Nach einer tödlichen Attacke auf einen Tankstellen-Kassierer im Streit über das Tragen einer Corona-Maske gehen die Ermittlungen gegen den 49 Jahre alten Tatverdächtigen weiter. Der Mann ist nach Angaben von Oberstaatsanwalt Kai Fuhrmann bislang polizeilich nicht in Erscheinung getreten. Er soll dem 20-jährigen Verkäufer in Idar-Oberstein (Rheinland-Pfalz) am Samstagabend in den Kopf geschossen haben, nachdem dieser ihn beim Bierkauf zwei Mal auf die Maskenpflicht hingewiesen habe.
Nach den bisherigen Ermittlungen hatte der 49-Jährige am Samstagabend den Verkaufsraum der Tankstelle ohne Maske betreten und zwei Sechserpack Bier auf den Tresen an der Kasse gestellt. Er habe die Maske vergessen, sagte er später. Der Kassierer wies den Mann auf die Maskenpflicht hin – woraufhin der Mann den Ermittlungen nach den Raum verließ und dabei drohend die Hand hob.
Der 49-Jährige habe sich über die Zurückweisung geärgert, hieß es am Montag. Daraufhin habe er zuhause einen Revolver eingesteckt und sei erneut zur Tankstelle gefahren, um den 20-jährigen Verkäufer zu provozieren, berichtete Fuhrmann aus der Einlassung des Tatverdächtigen.
Diesmal habe er eine Mund-Nasen-Bedeckung getragen, wieder ein Sechserpack Bier genommen und sei zur Kasse gegangen. „Dort setzte er die Mund-Nasen-Bedeckung ab“, sagte Fuhrmann. Der Kassierer habe den Mann erneut auf die Einhaltung der Maskenpflicht hingewiesen: Daraufhin zog der Täter die Waffe und erschoss den 20-Jährigen. Der Verdächtige habe dem Opfer „gezielt von vorne in den Kopf“ geschossen, sagte Fuhrmann.
SCIENCE said:
But Since We(1,1,1)’re All Perfect Cyclists We(1,1,1) Won’t Need Any Of These TechniquesIn the face of a global pandemic, with more than 200 million global infections and 4 million deaths, and despite unprecedented efforts by public health officials, celebrities and influencers to convince everyone to wear masks and get vaccinated as soon possible, the results are mixed.
Now, two Princeton researchers have discovered an approach that they found successfully motivated people to make appointments for vaccinations and to consistently follow measures such as social distancing and mask wearing.
“We think we’re onto something unique that hasn’t been tried yet in the COVID context,” said Joel Cooper, a professor of psychology at Princeton. “I kept thinking, there’s a group of people that public service announcements are never going to reach, because they already agree. Oh, they may not be the most enthusiastic, but they already agree that vaccines are good, and people should take them. But they are the ones who find excuses. ‘Oh, it’s too difficult.’ ‘I couldn’t do it now.’ Those are the people who aren’t going to be reached by the other methods going on, but who can be reached with our method.”“In a recent study, between 80 and 90% of adults agreed that wearing a mask is an effective method to prevent the spread of COVID-19, but only 50% of the respondents said that they ‘always’ or even ‘mostly’ wore a mask when in close contact with other people. It is critical to get people to behave in accordance with the CDC guidelines, not just believe that they are the right things to do.”
“I thought, ’It’s easier to convince people who already think it’s the right thing to do, but they’re still not doing it.”
Their research was conducted in two waves, with data collected a week apart. During the first session, participants in the cognitive dissonance test group first advocated for consistent adherence to safety protocols and then were asked to recall times where they had acted unsafely or avoided getting vaccinated when they had the opportunity. Other volunteers were assigned to one of three control groups: advocacy only, mindfulness only, or neither. Participants in all three groups watched a short video encouraging mask-wearing and other anti-COVID-19 measures.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01973533.2021.1953497
Fostering COVID-19 Safe Behaviors Using Cognitive Dissonance
In this study, we tackled an important but neglected aspect of the problem. We focused on the substantial number of people who do not need to be persuaded to comply with COVID-19 safety protocols. They already agree. We focused on people who do not need to be persuaded to be vaccinated. They already agree. They agree, but they do not consistently take action that comports with their intention. They sometimes fail to wear their masks or keep their distance or act diligently to get their vaccine. These are the people whose behavior we tried to change with our dissonance procedure.
(as mentioned earlier being)
After the WHO video, the experimental manipulations occurred. Participants in the Advocacy Condition were prompted to write about three sentences about why it is important to follow Covid-19 safety measures. Participants in the Mindfulness Condition were prompted to write about three sentences describing a time when they did not follow a Covid-19 safety measure. Participants in the Dissonance Condition completed the Advocacy task followed by the Mindfulness task. They wrote about why it is important to follow WHO safety measures and then wrote about a time when they did not follow one of the safety measures.
Nice article.
> ‘Oh, it’s too difficult.’ ‘I couldn’t do it now.’ Those are the people who aren’t going to be reached by the other methods going on, but who can be reached with our method.”
In Victoria, when I was ordering my second shot, it WAS too difficult. The hotdoc link I used for the first dose wasn’t working, I went through the rigmarole of registering through the web only to be told “you can’t register through the web, you have to register by phone”, then trying on the phone got the message “you can’t register by phone, you have to register by the web”. Then found a new web link, found that the place I got my first dose had shut down, and twice got through the registration form on the web for my wife only to end up with the option of changing or cancelling my own appointment and no option of registering my wife. Anyone with less motivation would have given up long before.
I don’t think that “reaching people” with advertisements is the problem.
How’s Australia going?
New Cases. Daily new cases has definitely passed the peak. Daily new deaths not.
It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister must resign and the Ambassador will be recalled.
And Gladys BInchicken can GAGF again.
Yep. Round my parts are in lockdown AGAIN.
While Lismore has come out of it today, Ballina and Byron? You guessed it. Lockdown.
Some dickwit turned up in town, and tested +ve. Yep. Then misbehaved and went out and about when they shouldn’t have, not QR coding and stuff. However did have all the correct exemptions as an “essential worker”.
Essential fucking worker, my arse.
Since when is working on a reality television show (in this case, Love Island) deemed as an “essential worker”????? Causing 80,000 into lockdown and 12,000 that can’t go to their own work. And when some can’t even go to their own mother’s funeral?
Yep Gladys, you cow. Explain that one hey? Come on. Explain that one? She will be nowhere to be seen this morning at the 11am presser, I tells ya.
And you fucking binchicken. There have been 57,000 “exemptions” given in NSW since 20th Aug (1 month) for people from “hotspots” to go and “view real estate”. WTF?????
Any wonder the things gone apeshit all over NSW.
Woodie said:
It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister must resign and the Ambassador will be recalled.And Gladys BInchicken can GAGF again.
Yep. Round my parts are in lockdown AGAIN.
While Lismore has come out of it today, Ballina and Byron? You guessed it. Lockdown.
Some dickwit turned up in town, and tested +ve. Yep. Then misbehaved and went out and about when they shouldn’t have, not QR coding and stuff. However did have all the correct exemptions as an “essential worker”.
Essential fucking worker, my arse.
Since when is working on a reality television show (in this case, Love Island) deemed as an “essential worker”????? Causing 80,000 into lockdown and 12,000 that can’t go to their own work. And when some can’t even go to their own mother’s funeral?
Yep Gladys, you cow. Explain that one hey? Come on. Explain that one? She will be nowhere to be seen this morning at the 11am presser, I tells ya.
And you fucking binchicken. There have been 57,000 “exemptions” given in NSW since 20th Aug (1 month) for people from “hotspots” to go and “view real estate”. WTF?????
Any wonder the things gone apeshit all over NSW.
I think the best you can do Mr Woodie, is write to whichever TV network commissioned the reality TV show and tell them not to fucking dare screening the show.
Woodie said:
It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister must resign and the Ambassador will be recalled.And Gladys BInchicken can GAGF again.
Yep. Round my parts are in lockdown AGAIN.
While Lismore has come out of it today, Ballina and Byron? You guessed it. Lockdown.
Some dickwit turned up in town, and tested +ve. Yep. Then misbehaved and went out and about when they shouldn’t have, not QR coding and stuff. However did have all the correct exemptions as an “essential worker”.
Essential fucking worker, my arse.
Since when is working on a reality television show (in this case, Love Island) deemed as an “essential worker”????? Causing 80,000 into lockdown and 12,000 that can’t go to their own work. And when some can’t even go to their own mother’s funeral?
Yep Gladys, you cow. Explain that one hey? Come on. Explain that one? She will be nowhere to be seen this morning at the 11am presser, I tells ya.
And you fucking binchicken. There have been 57,000 “exemptions” given in NSW since 20th Aug (1 month) for people from “hotspots” to go and “view real estate”. WTF?????
Any wonder the things gone apeshit all over NSW.
Yeah,
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On a brighter note.
I had my first AZ jab yesterday.
So far zero side effects.
welcome the tradeoff so travelers coming in can do quarantine-light-to-be-entirely-relaxed-eventually, requires background covid domestically, so those coming in present a relatively lower risk, a relatively lower risk
it’s the bullshit of people that think in highly relative terms, get their reality that way, and they seduce other into the same way of seeing the world
Tamb said:
On a brighter note.
I had my first AZ jab yesterday.
So far zero side effects.
Excellent!
:)
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
404 error
That’s a lot.
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
giggle
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
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FULL STORY: The Victorian government is taking drastic action to help prevent construction workers protesting mandatory covid vaccinations.
“We’ve been working with drug manufacturer Pfizer to make the vaccine available in powder form,” says Premier Dan Andrews.
“Tradies appear more comfortable snorting the vaccine, as an alternative to an injection.”
From midday today the vaccine powder will be available in small clip seal plastic bags at most pharmacies throughout Victoria, and it remains free of charge.
“I’m on my 3rd bag today,” one construction worker told DBT.
“But I’m still going to protest again today because it’s a good stress release, especially after a few Canadian Clubs.”
At time of publication, tradies hoping to get the vaccine powder have already formed long queues outside several Melbourne pharmacies.
There are now also calls to offer the powder to residents of Byron Bay in northern NSW, where vaccination rates remain low.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
404 errorThat’s a lot.
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
404 error
FULL STORY: The Victorian government is taking drastic action to help prevent construction workers protesting mandatory covid vaccinations.
“We’ve been working with drug manufacturer Pfizer to make the vaccine available in powder form,” says Premier Dan Andrews.
“Tradies appear more comfortable snorting the vaccine, as an alternative to an injection.”
From midday today the vaccine powder will be available in small clip seal plastic bags at most pharmacies throughout Victoria, and it remains free of charge.
“I’m on my 3rd bag today,” one construction worker told DBT.
“But I’m still going to protest again today because it’s a good stress release, especially after a few Canadian Clubs.”
At time of publication, tradies hoping to get the vaccine powder have already formed long queues outside several Melbourne pharmacies.
There are now also calls to offer the powder to residents of Byron Bay in northern NSW, where vaccination rates remain low.
Tamb said:
On a brighter note.
I had my first AZ jab yesterday.
So far zero side effects.
I trust Astrid is treating you well. :)
Speedy said:
https://doublebaytoday.com/victorian-government-now-offering-pfizer-in-powder-form-to-encourage-tradies-to-get-vaccinated/
snort snort Does it include a rolled up $100 note?
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
On a brighter note.
I had my first AZ jab yesterday.
So far zero side effects.
I trust Astrid is treating you well. :)
furious said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wilmore-funeral-home-vaccinated/
Bogsnorkler said:
furious said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wilmore-funeral-home-vaccinated/
The picture was a link to an article…
Bogsnorkler said:
furious said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wilmore-funeral-home-vaccinated/
furious said:
Bogsnorkler said:
furious said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wilmore-funeral-home-vaccinated/
The picture was a link to an article…
jolly good.
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:
furious said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wilmore-funeral-home-vaccinated/
The name on the building is a bit suss too.
it is the name of the ad agency behind this.
furious said:
Bogsnorkler said:
furious said:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wilmore-funeral-home-vaccinated/
The picture was a link to an article…
That’s too fancy :)
So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.
Dark Orange said:
So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.
Looks about right. Hopefully the future vaccines will be able to combat the mutated viruses far better.
Dark Orange said:
So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.
The Covid response by people in general does make you wonder if we are any smarter than people back in the day were we had little idea of how viruses worked.
So much nonsense based on misinterpreted information, outright lies, vested interests, etc
Now is also probably the right time to lab modify Covid to be more transmissible and deadly and release the various strains back into the world.
Cymek said:
Now is also probably the right time to lab modify Covid to be more transmissible and deadly and release the various strains back into the world.
No. Never.
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.The Covid response by people in general does make you wonder if we are any smarter than people back in the day were we had little idea of how viruses worked.
So much nonsense based on misinterpreted information, outright lies, vested interests, etc
So much stupid. So little time to do it all.
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.The Covid response by people in general does make you wonder if we are any smarter than people back in the day were we had little idea of how viruses worked.
So much nonsense based on misinterpreted information, outright lies, vested interests, etc
I’ve given up trying to convince people. My reply to the anti-vaxxers is to make sure they don’t wear a mask, don’t get vaccinated, don’t was their hands, and to make sure they stay close to people with the sniffles & coughs.
I’m doing my little bit to try to improve the human race.
Spiny Norman said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.The Covid response by people in general does make you wonder if we are any smarter than people back in the day were we had little idea of how viruses worked.
So much nonsense based on misinterpreted information, outright lies, vested interests, etcI’ve given up trying to convince people. My reply to the anti-vaxxers is to make sure they don’t wear a mask, don’t get vaccinated, don’t was their hands, and to make sure they stay close to people with the sniffles & coughs.
I’m doing my little bit to try to improve the human race.
:)
Afternoon comrades.
whoops wrong thread off to the gulag with me i guess
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
Afternoon comrades.
That’s us.
Cymek said:
Now is also probably the right time to lab modify Covid to be more transmissible and deadly and release the various strains back into the world.
Didn’t they do that 20 months ago¿
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Now is also probably the right time to lab modify Covid to be more transmissible and deadly and release the various strains back into the world.
Didn’t they do that 20 months ago¿
Probably but now you could get away with it
Dark Orange said:
So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.
So the take away is,
vaccination alone isn’t enough to stop a disease so nothing else can
if you’re not vaccinated because you’re too old or too sick or too young or too left, you should ensure you get disease that is 10 times deadlier for you
don’t worry about long term effects, if you feel good now
we should completely disregard infection control measures that reduce risk by more than 10 times because vaccinations are everything
¿
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Now is also probably the right time to lab modify Covid to be more transmissible and deadly and release the various strains back into the world.
Didn’t they do that 20 months ago¿
Probably but now you could get away with it
You mean They didn’t get away with it the first time ¿
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
But Since We(1,1,1)’re All Perfect Cyclists We(1,1,1) Won’t Need Any Of These Techniques
Nice article.
> ‘Oh, it’s too difficult.’ ‘I couldn’t do it now.’ Those are the people who aren’t going to be reached by the other methods going on, but who can be reached with our method.”
In Victoria, when I was ordering my second shot, it WAS too difficult.
I don’t think that “reaching people” with advertisements is the problem.
How’s Australia going?
New Cases. Daily new cases has definitely passed the peak. Daily new deaths not.
yeah they didn’t make it easy did they, clearly that contributes to compliance
¿ so you reckon October won’t be NSWuhan’s Worst Month then or it’s just going to go on and on ?
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.So the take away is,
vaccination alone isn’t enough to stop a disease so nothing else can
if you’re not vaccinated because you’re too old or too sick or too young or too left, you should ensure you get disease that is 10 times deadlier for you
don’t worry about long term effects, if you feel good now
we should completely disregard infection control measures that reduce risk by more than 10 times because vaccinations are everything
¿
Wot?
Even with a compliant population, more than 80% vaccination is difficult.
Eighty percent vaccination rate is not enough to prevent the spread of the virus.
Therefore, if you are unvaccinated through choice, you are part of the problem.
If you are unable to be vaccinated, then you know where the blame lies.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
So… Singapore.
Looks like they’ve reached “Peak Vax” – 81.9% of the total population has at least one dose, and 79.9% fully vaxed.
Over the last month, 97.9% of cases had “minor or no symptoms” and of the 260 cases who needed oxygen supplementation and the 25 in the ICU, 54 per cent were fully vaccinated and 46 per cent were either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266
Sounds like they’ve done as much as they can and they are going into “Endemic” mode.
The take-away from this is:
Covid is here for good.
Even an 80% vaccination rate won’t stop it.
Every unvaccinated person (and some vaccinated people) will get it.
If you are young and vaccinated, you’ll probably have only minor symptoms.
If you are unvaccinated, you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital and die.So the take away is,
vaccination alone isn’t enough to stop a disease so nothing else can
if you’re not vaccinated because you’re too old or too sick or too young or too left, you should ensure you get disease that is 10 times deadlier for you
don’t worry about long term effects, if you feel good now
we should completely disregard infection control measures that reduce risk by more than 10 times because vaccinations are everything
¿
Wot?
Even with a compliant population, more than 80% vaccination is difficult.
Eighty percent vaccination rate is not enough to prevent the spread of the virus.Therefore, if you are unvaccinated through choice, you are part of the problem.
If you are unable to be vaccinated, then you know where the blame lies.
oh we agree that we should vaccinate as many people as possible
we’re just pointing out that as you say, beliefs that vaccination is
or
are not correct, and that they merely help
the same argument that vaccines help, should also support
the alternative to 250% vaccination is not “can’t do anything else” but should even be “need to do more”
LMFAO@ the Murdoch press blaming the CFMEU for the antivax riots
dv said:
LMFAO@ the Murdoch press blaming the CFMEU for the antivax riots
Well they aren’t going to blame the Murdoch press, are they?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LMFAO@ the Murdoch press blaming the CFMEU for the antivax riots
Well they aren’t going to blame the Murdoch press, are they?
John Nolte, Breitbart, Reverse Psychology, Republicans Dying
Anti-vax, far-right activists undermining Australians’ health, safety
By Sally McManus
ACTU Secretary
Australians are facing an organised campaign by anti-vax and far-right activists to undermine confidence in life-saving medicines and a public health response which continues to save lives every day.
That’s not hindsight. On August 25, I tweeted that unions were feeling the impact of organised, extremist, anti-vax and far-right campaigns. We were witnessing fringe interests attempting to infiltrate unions – not to help workers in any way – but for their own selfish political gains.
What happened on Monday in Melbourne was the continued organised assault by these groups on our unions who are working to protect members, save jobs, keep workplaces safe, and protect our health system.
The union currently under attack, the CFMEU, has worked tirelessly to keep its industry open for the benefit of workers and the Victorian economy. It has developed COVID-safe plans, run advertising to encourage members to vaccinate and put resources into testing on sites.
The attack on the union orchestrated by the far right should be a warning to all political leaders about the challenges we face in rebuilding our nation after this pandemic.
The union movement is not the only organisation subject to this co-ordinated and dangerous attack from extremists. We have anti-vax politicians in our state and federal parliaments.
A billionaire mining magnate is funding an ex-Liberal parliamentarian to send anti-vax texts to millions of Australians.
An upper house member of the Victorian Parliament attended Monday’s protest and gave vocal support to the extremists, a federal Senator tweeted his approval of the violence.
Some mainstream media voices have whipped up opposition to the health officials trying to manage the virus, and the people who regulate the safety of our medicines are receiving death threats.
Fear, anxiety and trauma are fertile ground for division and extremism. Poverty, insecure work and economic distress can supercharge this division.
That our unions are seeing this fear and anxiety should not surprise anyone. But anyone who cares about social cohesion and ensuring we get through this pandemic should know that left unchecked these groups will continue in their attempts to undermine confidence in the response to the virus.
I can assure our members and the Australian community that the far-right extremists will get no comfort or support in the union movement. The far-right are predators feeding on fear and distress, they flourish in times of economic insecurity, and seed hatred among those who feel left behind or left out.
“We are all in this together” was a great political slogan in 2020, but as the pandemic has dragged on, the reality for many people’s lives is economic devastation and deep social dislocation.
The truth is that the hardships and trauma of this pandemic are not being borne equally. In fact, the pandemic has revealed the deep inequality built into our economy.
Rather than acting to address this and seizing the opportunity to rebuild a better, more equitable society and workforce, the Morrison government has overseen an explosion in insecure work. Those in insecure work are the most afraid of economic lockdowns because they lose their jobs.
The union movement will continue to do our part in supporting social cohesion during the pandemic and advocating for a fair and equitable recovery.
Read More: Vaccination is an act of solidarity
We will continue to do our part to encourage vaccinations and backing the decisions of public health officials.
We will continue to fight for safe workplaces, for better jobs, for more financial support for those hit hardest by the pandemic.
Our political leaders must lead. The void left by the lack of a coherent public health advertising campaign from the federal government is profound.
We have joined artists, community groups, employers, state governments and dozens of other groups in putting forward our own campaign in support of the vaccines, but Australians should be hearing this direct from the Morrison Government.
Workers have borne the impact of this pandemic and laboured tirelessly to keep us as safe as possible. They have asked very little of the federal government but have been let down at every turn – on securing supply, administering the rollout and administering quarantine.
The rise of the far-right spreading dangerous conspiracy theories did not start on Monday. We saw how dangerous they are in the United States when they stormed Congress early this year.
We need our leaders – all of them – to stand up because it is people’s lives at stake. It is the unvaccinated who are dying in the United States and the unvaccinated who ignore health advice on masks like they are right now in Melbourne who spread the virus which can kill others.
We need the Morrison government to denounce misinformation and fear-mongering – online, in the media, in Parliament, even in its own ranks.
To recover from this pandemic we will need political leadership of a kind which currently seems to be in very short supply.
SCIENCE said:
Logic wins the day
Bogsnorkler said:
Anti-vax, far-right activists undermining Australians’ health, safetyBy Sally McManus
ACTU Secretary…./cut by me transition/…
I wonder if the mischief might be accurately generalized to be coming from, or caused by the far right
and what does far right mean
transition said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Anti-vax, far-right activists undermining Australians’ health, safetyBy Sally McManus
ACTU Secretary…./cut by me transition/…
I wonder if the mischief might be accurately generalized to be coming from, or caused by the far right
and what does far right mean
QLD figures 
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
Will there be another wave following it?
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
A super spreader event, like a weekend music festival.
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
I suppose that depends on your fellow SAliens.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
A super spreader event, like a weekend music festival.
they can keep their plague, not visit it where it need not be
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
Nah…… Just make more reality TV shows. They’re “essential workers” according to Gladys.
Woodie said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It will be interesting when borders open up after 80%
why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
Nah…… Just make more reality TV shows. They’re “essential workers” according to Gladys.
Tamb said:
Woodie said:
transition said:why you plan on killing people with covid do ya, spread it around so all is equal
get those planes landing again hey, international visitors, and internal borders relaxed, so we can all be one big fucken happy family
Nah…… Just make more reality TV shows. They’re “essential workers” according to Gladys.
Maybe we should use the wartime definition of essential worker.
e.g. During WWI & WWII my grandfather’s company made sewer pipes.
Perhaps Gladys should use the Monty Python’s definition of an “essential worker”.
“ If questioned, we are sewage workers on our way to a conference.However, we’re going to kidnap Pilate’s wife, take her back, issue demands. Reg, our glorious leader and founder of the P.F.J., will be coordinating consultant at the drain head, though he himself will not be taking part in any terrorist action, as he has a bad back.”
Melbourne protester tests positive
A man who attended yesterday’s protest has tested positive for COVID-19.
The man is in hospital but not in ICU, health sources have told the ABC.
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Oh perfect. Fantastic. Just what Victoria needs. Not.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/covid-live-blog-nsw-lockdown-vic-updates/100484330
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/anti-vaxxer-chiropractor-banned-for-dangerous-views/100486842
“Dr Floreani was suspended from practising for six months and several conditions were placed on his registration. They included not displaying anti-vaccination material and not making public comments discouraging vaccinations.
Dr Floreani has previously held senior positions within his industry, serving as director and president of the Australian Chiropractors Association.
In 2019, he was criticised by surgeons and cautioned by the chiropractic board for promoting the practice of cracking the backs of babies who were suffering from conditions including colic, asthma and cerebral palsy.”
Awful.
Tries not to vomit.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/anti-vaxxer-chiropractor-banned-for-dangerous-views/100486842“Dr Floreani was suspended from practising for six months and several conditions were placed on his registration. They included not displaying anti-vaccination material and not making public comments discouraging vaccinations.
Dr Floreani has previously held senior positions within his industry, serving as director and president of the Australian Chiropractors Association.
In 2019, he was criticised by surgeons and cautioned by the chiropractic board for promoting the practice of cracking the backs of babies who were suffering from conditions including colic, asthma and cerebral palsy.”
Awful.
Tries not to vomit.
What a cunt\cock… There fixed that for you.
Measures to prevent the spread of covid-19 have also fended off flu
As the world begins to reopen, will it see a resurgence of influenza?
Sep 22nd 2021
IN SEPTEMBER 2020 doctors and public-health officials in the northern hemisphere were on high alert. They did not know how covid-19 would behave in the first winter of the pandemic. Respiratory viruses tend to surge during cold weather. And there were the usual concerns about influenza, the shape-shifting virus that sickens and kills many people every year. At worst, doctors feared they would see simultaneous outbreaks of covid-19 and flu which would overwhelm hospitals and send deaths soaring—a “twindemic”.
It never materialised. Covid-19 cases continued to rise in much of the world in late 2020 and early 2021 but the wave of influenza never struck. And yet today those same experts are worried once again. Flu’s absence in 2020-21 has probably made the prospects for 2021-22 worse: outbreaks could occur sooner, last longer and affect many more people than usual.
Seasonal flu is caused by a group of viruses that circulate around the world in and between birds, humans and other mammals. The flu season in the northern hemisphere—loosely defined for this purpose as North America, Europe, north Africa and West Asia—usually starts around October each year and peaks the following January or February. In the southern hemisphere the season begins around May and peaks between June and August.
Two types of virus cause winter flu. Influenza A viruses originate in birds and pigs. The H1N1 and H3N2 subtypes (named for the structures of two proteins on their surfaces, also infect humans. Influenza B infects only humans.
As these viruses mutate and spread, they are adept at reconfiguring the proteins that sit on their surfaces, making them less recognisable to people’s immune systems, even those that have encountered similar viruses before. As a result, flu vaccines need to be updated and re-administered every year.
It takes manufacturers at least six months to create, test and manufacture large quantities of flu vaccines, so they need to decide well ahead of the flu season which versions of which viruses vaccines should target. It is at this point that the World Health Organisation (WHO) steps in.
The Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS) is a network of laboratories and public-health institutions in 123 countries that collect respiratory samples throughout the year. They sequence the genes of any influenza viruses and characterise the proteins on their surfaces to build a detailed picture of the most prevalent influenza viruses in circulation, how those viruses are evolving and which new ones are emerging.
Armed with these data, every February and September the WHO brings together experts to recommend which strains of flu should be targeted by the forthcoming vaccines for the northern and southern hemispheres respectively.
In February 2021 those experts, using information from the viruses circulating in previous months in the southern hemisphere, selected four viruses for this year’s vaccines for the northern hemisphere. By the start of October, those vaccines should start going into arms.
The first big uncertainty for the coming winter is whether they picked the right viruses. This is always a problem but it is especially acute this year. Far less information was available from GISRS because the 2020-21 flu season was such a non-event across the world (see chart). Less than 0.2% of samples globally tested positive for influenza between September 2020 and January 2021, according to the WHO. Between 2017 and 2020 the rate was 17%. The number of flu hospitalisations in America in the 2020-21 season was the lowest since such records began in 2005. The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said it received one report of a child dying of flu in the 2020-21 season in America, compared with 199 in 2019-20.
What explains such low levels of flu? Because of covid-19, people were wearing face masks, social distancing, washing their hands, avoiding public transport and staying at home. This also helped limit the spread of other respiratory viruses, including influenza.
This happy result has a troubling corollary. Vaccines for influenza are generally less effective than those for covid-19; they prevent about 70% of detectable infections in healthy adults and about 50% in the elderly. How well a vaccine works is a function of how well its components match the viral strains that a person actually encounters. When they are poorly matched, vaccines are less effective at preventing both infection and severe disease, resulting in worse epidemics. Given the paucity of information available about which strains of flu are circulating, the Academy of Medical Sciences (AMS) in Britain reckons the likelihood of mismatches is higher this year.
A second big unknown is how people’s immune systems, which have largely avoided influenza for more than a year, will respond when they do encounter it. The mild or non-existent influenza season of 2020-21 was probably welcome at a time when covid-19 was killing tens of thousands of people and putting many more in hospitals. But it also means that many fewer people will have been exposed to the circulating flu viruses in the past year so the levels of natural immunity in populations will be relatively low. A wave of influenza in such an environment “could be problematic”, warned the AMS.
Even those who have previously been exposed are at risk. Immunity diminishes over time. Worse, flu viruses change rapidly, so the immune system’s memory of one season’s flu may be of limited use against new viruses. Some have little or no protection against flu—babies and young children who have never been exposed to it.
Research on previous flu outbreaks in America provides some clues for what might happen in 2021. A study in 2013 examined what happened after mild winters, when rates of influenza transmission tended to be lower than usual and therefore resulted in lower-intensity epidemics. The researchers found that 72% of the subsequent epidemics were more severe than average. They started 11 days sooner and the epidemic growth rate was 40% higher. Their severity was probably exacerbated by their earlier onset because fewer people would have been vaccinated at that point.
Modelling by the AMS has shown that, if Britons returned to their pre-pandemic way of life, the country could at worst face a winter influenza epidemic 2.2 times more deadly than normal. In recent years flu has typically killed 10,000-30,000 people annually in England. The 2017-18 season was the most recent bad season, with about 26,000 deaths.
Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) provides more clues as to what could be in store for the northern hemisphere. RSV is a major cause of hospitalisation and death in young children, particularly those less than a year old. Reports from around the world showed a 98% reduction in cases of RSV during the pandemic. But researchers in Australia also found that, after physical distancing restrictions had been relaxed in the last few months of 2021, RSV cases shot up. They peaked in December (the country’s summer), instead of the usual June or July (its autumn/winter). The peak itself was almost three times higher than usual and there were many more cases of infection in older children. Doctors in New York City found similar results after March 2021.
In the grippe of winter
If influenza or RSV surge when covid-19 levels are high, some doctors worry that people could be struck by several respiratory viruses at once. Around a fifth of children who end up in hospitals with bad lung disease are infected with multiple viruses, says Stephen Holgate, a pharmacologist at the University of Southampton. Growing evidence suggests that influenza and sars-cov-2 can coexist and that they interact negatively, he explains. The AMS reckons that being infected with influenza A makes people more susceptible to sars-cov-2. It also worries that the wider circulation of other respiratory viruses could lead to more dangerous variants of sars-cov-2.
Preventing a “twindemic” in 2021-22 will take three steps, argues Dame Anne Johnson, an epidemiologist at University College London and president of the AMS.
First, a concerted effort to get more vaccines—for both covid-19 and influenza—into arms. Since natural immunity to flu is probably at its lowest for years around the world, immunity via vaccines will need to make up the shortfall. That will mean jabbing those normally at high risk, such as the elderly, pregnant women and health-care workers, but also children, who are prodigious spreaders of infection.
Second, since the symptoms of various respiratory illnesses including covid-19 are similar, doctors and clinicians need routine access to multiplex testing, where throat swabs are tested for different viruses at the same time. Rapid tests for influenza should readily be available in hospitals, clinics, care homes and pharmacies, says Professor Johnson. Identifying infections is useful—the timely use of antivirals can shorten an episode of flu.
The third way to fend off the bug is for ordinary people to practise what Professor Johnson calls “respiratory hygiene”. Social-distancing rules may no longer be in force in much of the world, but people should still wear masks in crowded indoor environments. They should also work from home where possible and socialise outdoors, she says.
Scientists will face the coming flu season using the tools they know work. But the current process for making flu vaccines is slow—it takes six months and involves incubating viruses in chickens’ eggs or mammalian cells before carefully extracting and purifying proteins that go on to make the building blocks of the vaccines.
The success of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines for covid-19 has spurred scientists to investigate how to use the same technology against flu. mRNA should speed up the process, leaving less time between concocting the vaccine and the viruses mutating. And mRNA vaccines should be easier to tweak if new strains emerge.
In July Moderna, an American firm that developed a successful mrna covid-19 jab, began a trial of its mrna flu jab, which targets all four virus strains recommended by the WHO. Pfizer, the other American mRNA covid-19 vaccine-maker, has also adapted its technology to make a candidate flu vaccine. Seqirus, a British drug firm, has announced plans to begin clinical trials of its mRNA flu vaccine in late 2022. It wants to use self-amplifying messenger RNA (SA-mRNA). A typical mRNA vaccine tells a person’s cells to make an antigen (against which their immune system can then make antibodies). SA-mRNA vaccines also instruct the body’s cells to replicate the mRNA itself. That should mean a much smaller vaccine dose can elicit the same immunological result, useful if you need to vaccinate people against multiple flu viruses at once—or keep boosting immunity for covid-19, which is set to join influenza as a regular visitor every winter.
https://www.economist.com/international/measures-to-prevent-the-spread-of-covid-19-have-also-fended-off-flu/21804978?
A bit from WR’s post:
>>A second big unknown is how people’s immune systems, which have largely avoided influenza for more than a year, will respond when they do encounter it. The mild or non-existent influenza season of 2020-21 was probably welcome at a time when covid-19 was killing tens of thousands of people and putting many more in hospitals. But it also means that many fewer people will have been exposed to the circulating flu viruses in the past year so the levels of natural immunity in populations will be relatively low. A wave of influenza in such an environment “could be problematic”, warned the AMS.<<
If I remember correctly, 2019 was a doozy of a flu year in Australia. Not where I live, but many parts of Australia had very high infection rates. I’ll try to find the numbers. So there should still be some residual natural immunity around.
buffy said:
A bit from WR’s post:>>A second big unknown is how people’s immune systems, which have largely avoided influenza for more than a year, will respond when they do encounter it. The mild or non-existent influenza season of 2020-21 was probably welcome at a time when covid-19 was killing tens of thousands of people and putting many more in hospitals. But it also means that many fewer people will have been exposed to the circulating flu viruses in the past year so the levels of natural immunity in populations will be relatively low. A wave of influenza in such an environment “could be problematic”, warned the AMS.<<
If I remember correctly, 2019 was a doozy of a flu year in Australia. Not where I live, but many parts of Australia had very high infection rates. I’ll try to find the numbers. So there should still be some residual natural immunity around.
https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ozflu-surveil-season-summary-2019.htm
buffy said:
buffy said:
A bit from WR’s post:>>A second big unknown is how people’s immune systems, which have largely avoided influenza for more than a year, will respond when they do encounter it. The mild or non-existent influenza season of 2020-21 was probably welcome at a time when covid-19 was killing tens of thousands of people and putting many more in hospitals. But it also means that many fewer people will have been exposed to the circulating flu viruses in the past year so the levels of natural immunity in populations will be relatively low. A wave of influenza in such an environment “could be problematic”, warned the AMS.<<
If I remember correctly, 2019 was a doozy of a flu year in Australia. Not where I live, but many parts of Australia had very high infection rates. I’ll try to find the numbers. So there should still be some residual natural immunity around.
https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ozflu-surveil-season-summary-2019.htm
Unfortunately “The National Notifiable Disease Surveillance System (NNDSS) is currently being decommissioned and replaced by a new system. A new landing page is being developed and in the interim, this page has been deployed to allow access to the public datasets below and alternative reports.” This was a really useful page which is now unavailable, giving statistics on the numbers of all notifiable diseases in Australia. It’s now been unavailable for some months.
buffy said:
If I remember correctly, 2019 was a doozy of a flu year in Australia. Not where I live, but many parts of Australia had very high infection rates. I’ll try to find the numbers. So there should still be some residual natural immunity around.
FWIW.
Michael V said:
It was odds on.
“Delta is more deadly than experts hoped — and future forecasts on the pandemic are going to change.”
(snip)
“Delta may be more likely to put patients in intensive care.
Epidemiologist Catherine Bennett from Deakin University said the alarming infectiousness of the Delta variant captured the attention of researchers when it first emerged.
But she said there were also signs from early in its arrival that it was causing more serious illness, more often.
“Unfortunately, all studies have shown the equivalent of a doubling of hospitalisation across all age groups for Delta,” Professor Bennett said.
“But also breaks it down further and shows that actually, if you’re hospitalised, you’re even more likely to end up in the ICU with Delta, than with other variants.”“
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Bugger.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-21/doherty-institute-vaccine-covid-modelling-delta-outbreaks/100477998
Heck!
About on fifth of the total Australian COVID-19 cases are currently active:
Michael V said:
Heck!
About on fifth of the total Australian COVID-19 cases are currently active:
yeah but the Eugenics And Genocide crowd will tell you that’s the fault of alarmists who forced Australia to have low case numbers in the first year
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Heck!
About on fifth of the total Australian COVID-19 cases are currently active:
yeah but the Eugenics And Genocide crowd will tell you that’s the fault of alarmists who forced Australia to have low case numbers in the first year
Is that chaired by Gladys the B?
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Heck!
About on fifth of the total Australian COVID-19 cases are currently active:
yeah but the Eugenics And Genocide crowd will tell you that’s the fault of alarmists who forced Australia to have low case numbers in the first year
Is that chaired by Gladys the B?
Gladys B Good?
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:yeah but the Eugenics And Genocide crowd will tell you that’s the fault of alarmists who forced Australia to have low case numbers in the first year
Is that chaired by Gladys the B?
Gladys B Good?
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Heck!
About on fifth of the total Australian COVID-19 cases are currently active:
yeah but the Eugenics And Genocide crowd will tell you that’s the fault of alarmists who forced Australia to have low case numbers in the first year
Is that chaired by Gladys the B?
Don’t be silly, Gladys doesn’t run anything, she does the press announcements.
furious said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Is that chaired by Gladys the B?
Gladys B Good?
Sorry I don’t watch ‘The Masked Singer’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
Bogsnorkler said:Gladys B Good?
Sorry I don’t watch ‘The Masked Singer’.
Well, neither do I but, by shear coincidence, that is Gladys the Bee…
Witty Rejoinder said:
furious said:
Bogsnorkler said:Gladys B Good?
Sorry I don’t watch ‘The Masked Singer’.
I only watch it when someone is holding a gun on me to make me do it.
Has to be a proper gun, too; i’ll risk a hit from anything up to a .32 before i’ll comply.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58628689
A Covid therapy derived from a llama named Fifi has shown “significant potential” in early trials.
don’t worry they’ll only get early dementia late after we’ve burned the world down anyway
SCIENCE said:
don’t worry they’ll only get early dementia late after we’ve burned the world down anyway
and being able to go to school means they won’t have fallen 10 years behind and that’s protective against dementia
oh wait
Headteachers say the government needs to be on “high alert” to curb school Covid outbreaks, after more than 100,000 children were absent with confirmed or suspected infections last week – the highest number for England during the pandemic. In total, 122,000 children were absent from state schools for Covid-related reasons last week, including 16,000 marked off as isolating and another 2,000 “due to attendance restrictions being in place to manage an outbreak,” according to the DfE.
Secondary schools were the worst hit, with nearly one in every 100 pupils off with confirmed Covid cases. Including non-Covid absences, the overall absentee rate for secondary schools was 10%, twice as high as pre-pandemic absences. One in every 100 teachers in all types of state schools were also absent with Covid last week.
The statistics are the first official signs of the spread of the virus within schools and colleges since the start of the new school year, when the use of preventive measures such as mask-wearing, social distancing and small group “bubbles” was halted by the DfE.
In July more than a million children were absent but that included 930,000 self-isolating because of classroom contacts. This year the DfE has ruled that children who are close contacts of confirmed or suspected cases do not need to self-isolate unless they also display symptoms.
When is reporting the upper end of the “credible” confidence interval, corresponding to barely 1.5 times the “central estimate”, a “gross exaggeration” ¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/fact-check-annastacia-palaszczuk-doherty-modelling/100481476
Oh that’s right, when the reporting is done by authorities in a Labor state trying to prevent deaths but instead you want them to Let It Rip™ For The Economy Must Grow® ¡
Oh look they even included the relevant graph in the article ¡
Professor Prokopenko also cautioned that the figure of 80 daily deaths was “near the peak”, and could not be used to calculate the average or the total over a longer period of time.
Wait can any of you show us where the peak is in that graph ¿
“I am not sure why the modelling was stopped after 180 days, and one would not need to guess …”
Hint: does that look like a peak to any of you ¿
Looks like 80 would be a fairly conservative probably underestimate for the peak if that modelling is to be believed.
Note: we don’t think the model really applies but hey, don’t let that stop the pile on.
ABC News:
‘No new COVID cases recorded in Queensland, mask restrictions to ease
Deputy Premier Steven Miles says Queensland has had another “double donut” day with no new COVID-19 cases in the community or in quarantine.’
You know, the only reason we’redoing this (the ‘no cases’ thing, not infecting each other like rabbits with myxie in a warren), is because we know it annoys Gladys.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘No new COVID cases recorded in Queensland, mask restrictions to ease
Deputy Premier Steven Miles says Queensland has had another “double donut” day with no new COVID-19 cases in the community or in quarantine.’You know, the only reason we’redoing this (the ‘no cases’ thing, not infecting each other like rabbits with myxie in a warren), is because we know it annoys Gladys.
A worthy reason.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘No new COVID cases recorded in Queensland, mask restrictions to ease
Deputy Premier Steven Miles says Queensland has had another “double donut” day with no new COVID-19 cases in the community or in quarantine.’You know, the only reason we’redoing this (the ‘no cases’ thing, not infecting each other like rabbits with myxie in a warren), is because we know it annoys Gladys.
Nah, it’s because you aren’t testing enough…
;)
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘No new COVID cases recorded in Queensland, mask restrictions to ease
Deputy Premier Steven Miles says Queensland has had another “double donut” day with no new COVID-19 cases in the community or in quarantine.’You know, the only reason we’redoing this (the ‘no cases’ thing, not infecting each other like rabbits with myxie in a warren), is because we know it annoys Gladys.
Nah, it’s because you aren’t testing enough…
;)
Well, i have it on Great Authority that the best way to keep case numbers down is to not test.
(‘Great Authority’ was, as it happens, the name of the dog that belonged to the owner of the garage at Medlow Bath.)
Still a lot of testing happening in NSW. I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
buffy said:
Still a lot of testing happening in NSW. I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
And looking at the testing numbers for NSW, 131,668 in the last 24 hours (how in all honesty are they keeping up with that in the labs?). I don’t think the other states are keeping up in that race…Queensland has 62% of the population of NSW, so they should do 81,600 – Victoria has 77% of the population of NSW, so should do 101,300.
I wonder how many were done in Hamilton yesterday. They’ve taken over our sheep pavillion that we use for archery for a drive through testing place. They had it set up a few months ago and gave up and pulled it down again. We drove past the showgrounds yesterday and I reckon they had about 20 cars there, perhaps. I’ve not heard if any locals have picked it up from the visiting construction site painters (2) who were in town for 3 days last week.
buffy said:
buffy said:
Still a lot of testing happening in NSW. I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
And looking at the testing numbers for NSW, 131,668 in the last 24 hours (how in all honesty are they keeping up with that in the labs?). I don’t think the other states are keeping up in that race…Queensland has 62% of the population of NSW, so they should do 81,600 – Victoria has 77% of the population of NSW, so should do 101,300.
I wonder how many were done in Hamilton yesterday. They’ve taken over our sheep pavillion that we use for archery for a drive through testing place. They had it set up a few months ago and gave up and pulled it down again. We drove past the showgrounds yesterday and I reckon they had about 20 cars there, perhaps. I’ve not heard if any locals have picked it up from the visiting construction site painters (2) who were in town for 3 days last week.
Here you go…stats for the states with per 100,000 included. (I’d lost this link)
https://covidlive.com.au/states-and-territories
buffy said:
buffy said:
buffy said:
Still a lot of testing happening in NSW. I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
And looking at the testing numbers for NSW, 131,668 in the last 24 hours (how in all honesty are they keeping up with that in the labs?). I don’t think the other states are keeping up in that race…Queensland has 62% of the population of NSW, so they should do 81,600 – Victoria has 77% of the population of NSW, so should do 101,300.
I wonder how many were done in Hamilton yesterday. They’ve taken over our sheep pavillion that we use for archery for a drive through testing place. They had it set up a few months ago and gave up and pulled it down again. We drove past the showgrounds yesterday and I reckon they had about 20 cars there, perhaps. I’ve not heard if any locals have picked it up from the visiting construction site painters (2) who were in town for 3 days last week.
Here you go…stats for the states with per 100,000 included. (I’d lost this link)
https://covidlive.com.au/states-and-territories
I wonder how many will hurry up and get the jab after 80%
buffy said:
I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
yeah we thought it was all a bit silly
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
yeah we thought it was all a bit silly
I suspect that she saw the backlash and responded.
buffy said:
Still a lot of testing happening in NSW. I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
Well, as i say, there’s regular announcements from Qld that all is going rather swimmingly here, so Gladys can’t afford to not appear frequently in front of the cameras lest she be thought to be sulking or defeated. Has to get out there and say ‘we’re doing our best’ as often as she can.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
yeah we thought it was all a bit silly
I suspect that she saw the backlash and responded.
The background that wasn’t a backdown. That plus the fact the opposition leader, whoever that is, was going to fill the vacuum…
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
yeah we thought it was all a bit silly
I suspect that she saw the backlash and responded.
She realised she’d just be handing the timeslot over to the opposition.
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:yeah we thought it was all a bit silly
I suspect that she saw the backlash and responded.
She realised she’d just be handing the timeslot over to the opposition.
^
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Still a lot of testing happening in NSW. I see those press conferences that would only be done if necessary by Ms Berejiklian seem to be necessary pretty much every day.
Well, as i say, there’s regular announcements from Qld that all is going rather swimmingly here, so Gladys can’t afford to not appear frequently in front of the cameras lest she be thought to be sulking or defeated. Has to get out there and say ‘we’re doing our best’ as often as she can.
I mean, she can always say that she went down into the bunker just to check it out…
Michael V said:
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:I suspect that she saw the backlash and responded.
She realised she’d just be handing the timeslot over to the opposition.
^
They announced as much. They actually announced a press conference for that timeslot on that first Monday that she wasn’t going to do one. I found it amusing at the time.
Long COVID includes delirium and other cognitive impairments.
https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-cases-of-covid-19-are-very-often-followed-by-delirium
Michael V said:
Long COVID includes delirium and other cognitive impairments.https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-cases-of-covid-19-are-very-often-followed-by-delirium
very likely because of endothelial dysregulation
transition said:
Michael V said:
Long COVID includes delirium and other cognitive impairments.
https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-cases-of-covid-19-are-very-often-followed-by-delirium
very likely because of endothelial dysregulation
you mean strokes and immune infiltration and grey matter destruction and more yet to be elucidated
but don’t worry, didn’t die, doesn’t matter, and intelligence lower so more votes for the fascists
transition said:
Michael V said:
Long COVID includes delirium and other cognitive impairments.https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-cases-of-covid-19-are-very-often-followed-by-delirium
very likely because of endothelial dysregulation
Is that your medical opinion?
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
Michael V said:
Long COVID includes delirium and other cognitive impairments.https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-cases-of-covid-19-are-very-often-followed-by-delirium
very likely because of endothelial dysregulation
Is that your medical opinion?
certainly an opinion, plenty in pubmed and elsewhere about it if you want go have a read
“More on the traveller to WA who tested positive
Mark McGowan says the woman who came from New South Wales was rejected for a G2G pass on three separate occasions but got on a plane anyway without a valid pass.
“For some reason, the airline let her on board, and we don’t know why,” Mr McGowan says.
He also says there are contacts linked to the woman, but they are officials who worked at the airport and were wearing PPE at the time.
As mentioned before, the woman is now in hotel quarantine and will stay there for at least two weeks.
The other people who were on the flight are also in quarantine.”
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I’d be might angry if I were forced into quarantine because somebody else wilfully ignored the rules.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/covid-live-blog-nsw-lockdown-victoria-sydney-melbourne-vaccine/100487720
SCIENCE said:
transition said:Michael V said:
Long COVID includes delirium and other cognitive impairments.
https://www.sciencealert.com/severe-cases-of-covid-19-are-very-often-followed-by-delirium
very likely because of endothelial dysregulation
you mean strokes and immune infiltration and grey matter destruction and more yet to be elucidated
but don’t worry, didn’t die, doesn’t matter, and intelligence lower so more votes for the fascists
ignoring for a moment any decline in cognitive performance applied intelligence, tests that way, it may well have a detrimental effect on mental states, the home in the head, sense of, feel for
Michael V said:
“More on the traveller to WA who tested positiveMark McGowan says the woman who came from New South Wales was rejected for a G2G pass on three separate occasions but got on a plane anyway without a valid pass.
“For some reason, the airline let her on board, and we don’t know why,” Mr McGowan says.
He also says there are contacts linked to the woman, but they are officials who worked at the airport and were wearing PPE at the time.
As mentioned before, the woman is now in hotel quarantine and will stay there for at least two weeks.
The other people who were on the flight are also in quarantine.”
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I’d be might angry if I were forced into quarantine because somebody else wilfully ignored the rules.
——————————————————————————————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/covid-live-blog-nsw-lockdown-victoria-sydney-melbourne-vaccine/100487720
Inconvenient to say the least what if you had people to care for
Michael V said:
“More on the traveller to WA who tested positiveMark McGowan says the woman who came from New South Wales was rejected for a G2G pass on three separate occasions but got on a plane anyway without a valid pass.
“For some reason, the airline let her on board, and we don’t know why,” Mr McGowan says.
He also says there are contacts linked to the woman, but they are officials who worked at the airport and were wearing PPE at the time.
As mentioned before, the woman is now in hotel quarantine and will stay there for at least two weeks.
The other people who were on the flight are also in quarantine.”
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I’d be might angry if I were forced into quarantine because somebody else wilfully ignored the rules.
——————————————————————————————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/covid-live-blog-nsw-lockdown-victoria-sydney-melbourne-vaccine/100487720
I’d be pissed.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
very likely because of endothelial dysregulation
you mean strokes and immune infiltration and grey matter destruction and more yet to be elucidated
but don’t worry, didn’t die, doesn’t matter, and intelligence lower so more votes for the fascists
ignoring for a moment any decline in cognitive performance applied intelligence, tests that way, it may well have a detrimental effect on mental states, the home in the head, sense of, feel for
come be serious now, surely missing a few minutes of in person schooling and exposure to playground bullying is going to have far more detrimental impact on our children’s mental health than getting critical illness and losing primary caregivers and on and off sick absences and neuropsychiatric complications
Found some reading:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-020-00669-6
“A case study in model failure? COVID-19 daily deaths and ICU bed utilisation predictions in New York state”
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“Two major takeaways from this research are that
1. Serious thought and investment should be made in quality data collection when it comes to COVID-19 daily death data, as well as COVID-19 resource utilisation. 2. Models need to be subjected to real time performance tests, before their results are provided to policy makers and public health officials. In this paper, we provide examples of such tests, but irrespective of which tests are adopted, they need to be specified in advance, as one would do in a well-run clinical trial.”—————————————————————————————————————
I think they have gone all the way around to “garbage in, garbage out”.
Also, a WHO bulletin on infection fatality rates.
https://doi.org/10.2471/blt.20.265892
“…..based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented
l ab or at or y – c on fi r m e d c a s e s . Mo s t locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect
high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.”
It seems to be dated 2021, but based on data up to early September last year. Probably needs an update by now.
buffy said:
Also, a WHO bulletin on infection fatality rates.https://doi.org/10.2471/blt.20.265892
“…..based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented
l ab or at or y – c on fi r m e d c a s e s . Mo s t locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect
high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.”It seems to be dated 2021, but based on data up to early September last year. Probably needs an update by now.
This one looks to be more recent on infection fatality rates.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554
Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates of COVID-19: An overview of systematic evaluations
Western Australia has recorded one new case of COVID-19, a woman from New South Wales who entered WA without an approved G2G pass.
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Well of course, expect no less from the bioterrorist south-east.
dv said:
You can practically hear Susan’s derisive snort, can’t you?
buffy said:
buffy said:
Also, a WHO bulletin on infection fatality rates.https://doi.org/10.2471/blt.20.265892
“…..based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented
l ab or at or y – c on fi r m e d c a s e s . Mo s t locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect
high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.”It seems to be dated 2021, but based on data up to early September last year. Probably needs an update by now.
This one looks to be more recent on infection fatality rates.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554
Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates of COVID-19: An overview of systematic evaluations
Damn if it was 2 billion in Feb it must be past 3 now
dv said:
buffy said:
buffy said:
Also, a WHO bulletin on infection fatality rates.https://doi.org/10.2471/blt.20.265892
“…..based on the currently available data, one may project that over half a billion people have been infected as of 12 September 2020, far more than the approximately 29 million documented
l ab or at or y – c on fi r m e d c a s e s . Mo s t locations probably have an infection fatality rate less than 0.20% and with appropriate, precise non-pharmacological measures that selectively try to protect
high-risk vulnerable populations and settings, the infection fatality rate may be brought even lower.”It seems to be dated 2021, but based on data up to early September last year. Probably needs an update by now.
This one looks to be more recent on infection fatality rates.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554
Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates of COVID-19: An overview of systematic evaluations
Damn if it was 2 billion in Feb it must be past 3 now
maybe it’s actually less contagious than “experts” think and it’s just fucking embarrassing that such a mild and difficult to spread virus is causing so much grief
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
buffy said:This one looks to be more recent on infection fatality rates.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554
Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates of COVID-19: An overview of systematic evaluations
Damn if it was 2 billion in Feb it must be past 3 now
maybe it’s actually less contagious than “experts” think and it’s just fucking embarrassing that such a mild and difficult to spread virus is causing so much grief
Can’t be that difficult to spread if half of humanity caught it
SCIENCE said:
When is reporting the upper end of the “credible” confidence interval, corresponding to barely 1.5 times the “central estimate”, a “gross exaggeration” ¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/fact-check-annastacia-palaszczuk-doherty-modelling/100481476
Oh that’s right, when the reporting is done by authorities in a Labor state trying to prevent deaths but instead you want them to Let It Rip™ For The Economy Must Grow® ¡
Oh look they even included the relevant graph in the article ¡
Professor Prokopenko also cautioned that the figure of 80 daily deaths was “near the peak”, and could not be used to calculate the average or the total over a longer period of time.
Wait can any of you show us where the peak is in that graph ¿
“I am not sure why the modelling was stopped after 180 days, and one would not need to guess …”
Hint: does that look like a peak to any of you ¿
Looks like 80 would be a fairly conservative probably underestimate for the peak if that modelling is to be believed.
Note: we don’t think the model really applies but hey, don’t let that stop the pile on.
speaking of pile on
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Damn if it was 2 billion in Feb it must be past 3 now
maybe it’s actually less contagious than “experts” think and it’s just fucking embarrassing that such a mild and difficult to spread virus is causing so much grief
Can’t be that difficult to spread if half of humanity caught it
Tell That To Teabie
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:maybe it’s actually less contagious than “experts” think and it’s just fucking embarrassing that such a mild and difficult to spread virus is causing so much grief
Can’t be that difficult to spread if half of humanity caught it
Tell That To Teabie
Seems like the tuBurc is pissweak compared to the coVid
As of 2018, one quarter of the world’s population was thought to have latent infection with TB. New infections occur in about 1% of the population each year. In 2018, there were more than 10 million cases of active TB, resulting in 1.5 million deaths and making it the number one cause of death from an infectious disease at that time.
anyway back to the serious as if pre-existing pandemics weren’t serious
those articles
John P. A. Ioannidis
already debunked, discredited, and disgraced
so probably instead trust what you see in front of your own first world healthcare systems
which is fuck loads of death and morbidity
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Can’t be that difficult to spread if half of humanity caught it
Tell That To Teabie
Seems like the tuBurc is pissweak compared to the coVid
As of 2018, one quarter of the world’s population was thought to have latent infection with TB. New infections occur in about 1% of the population each year. In 2018, there were more than 10 million cases of active TB, resulting in 1.5 million deaths and making it the number one cause of death from an infectious disease at that time.
wait is this the mild and long-term-live-with disease that public health authorities in Australia shit themselves over when it’s imported and there are mandatory migration irradiations and eradication therapies and you get locked up for months if you’re considered contagious
all for something that sits around latent 99.9% of the time
fk what an overreaction that was
SCIENCE said:
anyway back to the serious as if pre-existing pandemics weren’t seriousthose articles
John P. A. Ioannidis
already debunked, discredited, and disgraced
so probably instead trust what you see in front of your own first world healthcare systems
which is fuck loads of death and morbidity
Sorry…one of the links was a WHO bulletin. You are mistaken.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
anyway back to the serious as if pre-existing pandemics weren’t serious
those articles
John P. A. Ioannidis
already debunked, discredited, and disgraced
so probably instead trust what you see in front of your own first world healthcare systems
which is fuck loads of death and morbidity
Sorry…one of the links was a WHO bulletin. You are mistaken.
you mean our health systems are lying to us
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/24/leaked-figures-confirm-fears-of-a-drop-in-australias-supply-of-pfizer-vaccine
SCIENCE said:
you mean our health systems are lying to us
Don’t confuse ‘the health systems’ with ‘the people who run the health systems’.
People on the front lines of the health system don’t lie much. If you’re going to tell lies at that level, people are going to die unnecessarily, and you’ll have to live with that.
The people ‘upstairs’, where politics gets more involved at each step up the ladder – that’s another story.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:SCIENCE said:
anyway back to the serious as if pre-existing pandemics weren’t serious
those articles
John P. A. Ioannidis
already debunked, discredited, and disgraced
so probably instead trust what you see in front of your own first world healthcare systems
which is fuck loads of death and morbidity
Sorry…one of the links was a WHO bulletin. You are mistaken.
you mean our health systems are lying to us
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis#COVID-19
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/covid-base-website-makers-reveal-identify-as-three-teenage-boys/100489474
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/covid-base-website-makers-reveal-identify-as-three-teenage-boys/100489474
I was claiming that as my creation.
And i’d have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn’t for those darn meddling kids!
Current hashtag trends in Australia
Oh dear it appears the phrase CFMEUriots didn’t take off at all
dv said:
Current hashtag trends in Australia
Oh dear it appears the phrase CFMEUriots didn’t take off at all
#Murdochriots.
Cut out the middle-man.
Spent a fortnight in ICU; had put off having a vaccine.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/melbourne-tradie-with-covid-slams-protesters-urges-vaccination/100489814
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/covid-base-website-makers-reveal-identify-as-three-teenage-boys/100489474
Nice concise data collation. Onyas! Well done!
https://covidbaseau.com/
Since the Indian variant which was running rampant and killing all in it’s path has been renamed the “delta” variant, I haven’t heard much about what was happening in India. Are they all dead yet?
Kingy said:
Since the Indian variant which was running rampant and killing all in it’s path has been renamed the “delta” variant, I haven’t heard much about what was happening in India. Are they all dead yet?
The excess death count is about 6 million.
Which is about 0.5% of the population.
JR Biden has announced that the US will up its third world vaccine donation to 1 billion doses.
dv said:
JR Biden has announced that the US will up its third world vaccine donation to 1 billion doses.
Very kind of him.
Soft power, from a pragmatic geopolitical aspect.
Bogsnorkler said:
Good
are masks required at the GF?
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Good
although last night Margaret was of the opinion that it doesn’t matter anyway coz the vaccine isn’t working.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Good
although last night Margaret was of the opinion that it doesn’t matter anyway coz the vaccine isn’t working.
What did David say?
Bogsnorkler said:
are masks required at the GF?
Don’t think so.
They were not required at the semi final I went to a couple of weeks ago.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Good
although last night Margaret was of the opinion that it doesn’t matter anyway coz the vaccine isn’t working.
I’ve kept quiet up till now, but no longer, I’m just going to say it, I think Margaret may not be the shiniest button in the tin.
Bogsnorkler said:
are masks required at the GF?
Don’t ask us, ask your GF.
Bogsnorkler said:
The “protests” are probably a worthwhile public service, as they make it clear that the anti-vax lobby consists largely of anti-social morons.
party_pants said:
dv said:
JR Biden has announced that the US will up its third world vaccine donation to 1 billion doses.
Very kind of him.
Soft power, from a pragmatic geopolitical aspect.
is it better worse or the same compared to waiving
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The “protests” are probably a worthwhile public service, as they make it clear that the anti-vax lobby consists largely of anti-social morons.
^
we were just thinking that, satire aside nothing like a good fascist riot to convince the undecided that they might really want to be on the left side of history
but damn those right whingers are good at their reverse psychology
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
JR Biden has announced that the US will up its third world vaccine donation to 1 billion doses.
Very kind of him.
Soft power, from a pragmatic geopolitical aspect.
is it better worse or the same compared to waiving
I think ruling the waves is better than waiving the rules.
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The “protests” are probably a worthwhile public service, as they make it clear that the anti-vax lobby consists largely of anti-social morons.
I am conflicted about the Melbourne protests.
On one hand, these protesters are fucking morons and deserve bean bags and water cannons.
On the other hand, when sensible people protest about government overreach, we should be allowed to protest without injury.
sarahs mum said:
Where is it though ¿
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Where is it though ¿
It seems like there is one boat in Tas and one in Melbourne and they have both stopped?
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Where is it though ¿
It seems like there is one boat in Tas and one in Melbourne and they have both stopped?
explains why Mark McG made the MCG severe risk
Sorry, your hidden agenda is showing.
While the NSW Premier was speaking about a cautious reopening, the NSW Treasurer appeared much more bullish. Dominic Perrottet told Sydney’s radio 2GB today that unvaccinated people should enjoy the same freedoms as everybody else once 80 per cent of people aged 16 and over in the state are fully vaccinated. Ms Berejiklian has made clear that only fully vaccinated people will be able to take advantage of a suite of eased restrictions once the state reaches the 70 per cent target. The state government has yet to release its road map to easing restrictions further when the 80 per cent milestone is reached.
Sorry, your hidden agenda is showing.
Hundreds of fully-vaccinated international students will start returning to NSW by the end of this year and will complete their 14-day quarantine period in Redfern in inner Sydney, although vaccine restrictions will mean students from key markets in China and Nepal are not likely to be among them. The pilot program will require students to be vaccinated with Therapeutic Goods Administration-recognised vaccines including Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, Moderna and AstraZeneca. Chinese international students who may have received the Sinopharm COVID-19 vaccine will not be eligible at this stage.
Sounds Like A Health System That’s Coping
Tens of thousands of retired doctors, nurses, psychologists and dentists have been asked to bolster the pandemic frontline as surging hospitalisations stretch health systems and staff shortages hit critical workforces.
Australia’s medical watchdog on Wednesday doubled the number of practitioners on its pandemic sub-registers to more than 55,000 health professionals who have retired or stopped work but are now eligible to return to practice.
apparently organ donations are off the menu in sasquatchestan
we mean not that big a deal hey, organ donation is pretty rare and about as frequent in Australia as dying of COVID-19 has been so far
…
apparently Ireland are actually the best
Big Pharma’s DPRNA Fascist Plan
Buy Buy Buy
SCIENCE said:
apparently Ireland are actually the best
and enable us to look at whether throwing open superspreader schools has an effect
how interesting
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
apparently Ireland are actually the best
and enable us to look at whether throwing open superspreader schools has an effect
how interesting
To be sure to be sure.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/sa-woman-remanded-in-custody/100488254
Members of the group gathered outside the court to chant, sing, dance and read declarations in support of her.
The group believes COVID-19 is part of a global conspiracy and the government is corrupt and illegitimate.
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/sa-woman-remanded-in-custody/100488254
Members of the group gathered outside the court to chant, sing, dance and read declarations in support of her.The group believes COVID-19 is part of a global conspiracy and the government is corrupt and illegitimate.
1/3?
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/sa-woman-remanded-in-custody/100488254
Members of the group gathered outside the court to chant, sing, dance and read declarations in support of her.The group believes COVID-19 is part of a global conspiracy and the government is corrupt and illegitimate.
the government is corrupt.
This bit. If they were only protesting this bit.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/sa-woman-remanded-in-custody/100488254
Members of the group gathered outside the court to chant, sing, dance and read declarations in support of her.The group believes COVID-19 is part of a global conspiracy and the government is corrupt and illegitimate.
the government is corrupt.
This bit. If they were only protesting this bit.
That’s why I gave them 1/3.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/sa-woman-remanded-in-custody/100488254
Members of the group gathered outside the court to chant, sing, dance and read declarations in support of her.The group believes COVID-19 is part of a global conspiracy and the government is corrupt and illegitimate.
the government is corrupt.
This bit. If they were only protesting this bit.
That’s why I gave them 1/3.
I took that back when I saw what the husband said at the end of the article.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:the government is corrupt.
This bit. If they were only protesting this bit.
That’s why I gave them 1/3.
I took that back when I saw what the husband said at the end of the article.
I can well imagine how they responded to that sign.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/sa-woman-remanded-in-custody/100488254
Members of the group gathered outside the court to chant, sing, dance and read declarations in support of her.
The group believes COVID-19 is part of a global conspiracy and the government is corrupt and illegitimate.
the government is corrupt.
This bit. If they were only protesting this bit.
That’s why I gave them 1/3.
I took that back when I saw what the husband said at the end of the article.
Think Global Act Local
Our Bodies Our Choices
…
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
apparently Ireland are actually the best
and enable us to look at whether throwing open superspreader schools has an effect
how interesting
To be sure to be sure.
Someone Must Have Forgotten To Tell Them …
… That “Freedom” And “Letting It Rip™” By Throwing It All Open …
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58670553
… Doesn’t Mean The Health System Is Doing Its Usual Work
So we thought QLD were doin’ all right there for a while.
“I’ve been out a lot in Queensland and talking to Queenslanders, and what they tell me is that Delta is the gift they do not want from Scott Morrison. “He gave Delta to Sydney and now they’re trying to gift it to us. We don’t want that, we want to stay open like we are now and we’ll continue to make our decisions on that basis.” Mr Miles was also critical of any suggestion that international borders could open by Christmas time. “I don’t think Queenslanders want international borders open if it’s not safe to do so, if there are still lots of cases overseas and if that presents a risk here,” he said.
but then
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/qld-coronavirus-covid-update-masks-extended-relaxed/100483944
this
Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said easing the rules on mask-wearing will make life easier for Queenslanders. “Once you sit down you can take your mask off. That doesn’t matter if you’re in a cinema, a theatre, a restaurant, at school or work, once you sit down you can take your mask off,” Dr Young said. “But once you stand up, please put it on again because we don’t know who you’re coming into contact with.”
SCIENCE said:
Sounds Like A Health System That’s CopingTens of thousands of retired doctors, nurses, psychologists and dentists have been asked to bolster the pandemic frontline as surging hospitalisations stretch health systems and staff shortages hit critical workforces.
Australia’s medical watchdog on Wednesday doubled the number of practitioners on its pandemic sub-registers to more than 55,000 health professionals who have retired or stopped work but are now eligible to return to practice.
it’s the secret work of the devil that buries the reality of distortions and constraints on normal medical services delivery caused by living with covid, the deceptions to that end seem peculiarly ubiquitous, well it likely should and could seem peculiar if it weren’t ubiquitous
and what grand Lie is served by hiding such a thing, I wonder
what inconvenient thing do medical professionals deal with routinely, perhaps it is biology, the organic reality of individuals
SCIENCE said:
So we thought QLD were doin’ all right there for a while.“I’ve been out a lot in Queensland and talking to Queenslanders, and what they tell me is that Delta is the gift they do not want from Scott Morrison. “He gave Delta to Sydney and now they’re trying to gift it to us. We don’t want that, we want to stay open like we are now and we’ll continue to make our decisions on that basis.” Mr Miles was also critical of any suggestion that international borders could open by Christmas time. “I don’t think Queenslanders want international borders open if it’s not safe to do so, if there are still lots of cases overseas and if that presents a risk here,” he said.
but then
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/qld-coronavirus-covid-update-masks-extended-relaxed/100483944
this
Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said easing the rules on mask-wearing will make life easier for Queenslanders. “Once you sit down you can take your mask off. That doesn’t matter if you’re in a cinema, a theatre, a restaurant, at school or work, once you sit down you can take your mask off,” Dr Young said. “But once you stand up, please put it on again because we don’t know who you’re coming into contact with.”
Yes, it’s strange.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
So we thought QLD were doin’ all right there for a while.“I’ve been out a lot in Queensland and talking to Queenslanders, and what they tell me is that Delta is the gift they do not want from Scott Morrison. “He gave Delta to Sydney and now they’re trying to gift it to us. We don’t want that, we want to stay open like we are now and we’ll continue to make our decisions on that basis.” Mr Miles was also critical of any suggestion that international borders could open by Christmas time. “I don’t think Queenslanders want international borders open if it’s not safe to do so, if there are still lots of cases overseas and if that presents a risk here,” he said.
but then
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/qld-coronavirus-covid-update-masks-extended-relaxed/100483944
this
Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said easing the rules on mask-wearing will make life easier for Queenslanders. “Once you sit down you can take your mask off. That doesn’t matter if you’re in a cinema, a theatre, a restaurant, at school or work, once you sit down you can take your mask off,” Dr Young said. “But once you stand up, please put it on again because we don’t know who you’re coming into contact with.”
Yes, it’s strange.
Clutching at straws.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
So we thought QLD were doin’ all right there for a while.“I’ve been out a lot in Queensland and talking to Queenslanders, and what they tell me is that Delta is the gift they do not want from Scott Morrison. “He gave Delta to Sydney and now they’re trying to gift it to us. We don’t want that, we want to stay open like we are now and we’ll continue to make our decisions on that basis.” Mr Miles was also critical of any suggestion that international borders could open by Christmas time. “I don’t think Queenslanders want international borders open if it’s not safe to do so, if there are still lots of cases overseas and if that presents a risk here,” he said.
but then
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/qld-coronavirus-covid-update-masks-extended-relaxed/100483944
this
Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young said easing the rules on mask-wearing will make life easier for Queenslanders. “Once you sit down you can take your mask off. That doesn’t matter if you’re in a cinema, a theatre, a restaurant, at school or work, once you sit down you can take your mask off,” Dr Young said. “But once you stand up, please put it on again because we don’t know who you’re coming into contact with.”
Yes, it’s strange.
Clutching at straws.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Yes, it’s strange.
Clutching at straws.
Qld yesterday’s Covid figures.
Anastasia’s probably doing the right thing then?
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Clutching at straws.
Qld yesterday’s Covid figures.Anastasia’s probably doing the right thing then?
It’s not up to AP. It’s all J. Young’s call. Legislation here hands all public health decision-making to the CHO, after a Public Health Emergency is called (Jan 31 2020). AP cannot change, modify or countermand.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:Qld yesterday’s Covid figures.
Anastasia’s probably doing the right thing then?
It’s not up to AP. It’s all J. Young’s call. Legislation here hands all public health decision-making to the CHO, after a Public Health Emergency is called (Jan 31 2020). AP cannot change, modify or countermand.
Way better than Gladys then.
Some good news at least.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/breast-milk-vaccinated-mums-antibodies-b1914296.html
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Anastasia’s probably doing the right thing then?
It’s not up to AP. It’s all J. Young’s call. Legislation here hands all public health decision-making to the CHO, after a Public Health Emergency is called (Jan 31 2020). AP cannot change, modify or countermand.
Way better than Gladys then.
but now
Queensland has recorded one new locally acquired COVID-19 case.
Oh wait, nah no worries.
The case is linked to the Sunnybank cluster and was detected in home quarantine.
Still, shows how careful you have to be, and so we’re not sold at all on the 1 week only quarantine proposals.
Speaking from her electorate on Brisbane’s northern bayside, Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said the virus was detected in a child who tested positive on day 14 of quarantine. “That shows it is so important when people are isolating, they do their full 14 days,” she said.
Yeah.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Michael V said:
It’s not up to AP. It’s all J. Young’s call. Legislation here hands all public health decision-making to the CHO, after a Public Health Emergency is called (Jan 31 2020). AP cannot change, modify or countermand.
Way better than Gladys then.
but now
Queensland has recorded one new locally acquired COVID-19 case.
Oh wait, nah no worries.
The case is linked to the Sunnybank cluster and was detected in home quarantine.
Still, shows how careful you have to be, and so we’re not sold at all on the 1 week only quarantine proposals.
Speaking from her electorate on Brisbane’s northern bayside, Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said the virus was detected in a child who tested positive on day 14 of quarantine. “That shows it is so important when people are isolating, they do their full 14 days,” she said.
Yeah.
Todays figures: 
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Michael V said:
It’s not up to AP. It’s all J. Young’s call. Legislation here hands all public health decision-making to the CHO, after a Public Health Emergency is called (Jan 31 2020). AP cannot change, modify or countermand.
Way better than Gladys then.
but now
Queensland has recorded one new locally acquired COVID-19 case.
Oh wait, nah no worries.
The case is linked to the Sunnybank cluster and was detected in home quarantine.
Still, shows how careful you have to be, and so we’re not sold at all on the 1 week only quarantine proposals.
Speaking from her electorate on Brisbane’s northern bayside, Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said the virus was detected in a child who tested positive on day 14 of quarantine. “That shows it is so important when people are isolating, they do their full 14 days,” she said.
Yeah.
>>>>>>>Still, shows how careful you have to be, and so we’re not sold at all on the 1 week only quarantine proposals.
Yes, that’s utter nonsense.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Way better than Gladys then.
but now
Queensland has recorded one new locally acquired COVID-19 case.
Oh wait, nah no worries.
The case is linked to the Sunnybank cluster and was detected in home quarantine.
Still, shows how careful you have to be, and so we’re not sold at all on the 1 week only quarantine proposals.
Speaking from her electorate on Brisbane’s northern bayside, Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said the virus was detected in a child who tested positive on day 14 of quarantine. “That shows it is so important when people are isolating, they do their full 14 days,” she said.
Yeah.
>>>>>>>Still, shows how careful you have to be, and so we’re not sold at all on the 1 week only quarantine proposals.
Yes, that’s utter nonsense.
By that, I mean: seven day quarantine is utter nonsense.
Was thinking I might start using a signature that includes links to the popular threads.
dv said:
Was thinking I might start using a signature that includes links to the popular threads.
which threads
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Was thinking I might start using a signature that includes links to the popular threads.
which threads
Various politics threads and whatnot
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Was thinking I might start using a signature that includes links to the popular threads.
which threads
Various politics threads and whatnot
Like this? 
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Was thinking I might start using a signature that includes links to the popular threads.
which threads
Various politics threads and whatnot
I’ll bump this for you then.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/13673/
sibeen said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:which threads
Various politics threads and whatnot
I’ll bump this for you then.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/13673/
On a more serious note:
Recipe thread
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/14081/
sibeen said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:which threads
Various politics threads and whatnot
I’ll bump this for you then.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/13673/
It’s not for me, I’ve got everything bookmarked.
But we’ve got some people here in their autumn years who aren’t quite ready for that tech so they start a new thread with the same subject title…
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Various politics threads and whatnot
I’ll bump this for you then.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/13673/
It’s not for me, I’ve got everything bookmarked.
But we’ve got some people here in their autumn years who aren’t quite ready for that tech so they start a new thread with the same subject title…
Sorry.
A man in his 50s from Sydney and a woman in her 80s from Sydney’s inner west also died at home. They had not been tested for COVID-19 and were only diagnosed after their deaths.
Head of NSW Health’s COVID response branch, Jeremy McAnulty, said that, during the Delta outbreak, there had been several people die at home without even knowing they had the virus.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard previously said some people were choosing not to get tested so they did not have to risk taking time off work.
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don’t have to believe in COVID-19 if you die before you get the proof right
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Russia’s best general was General Winter.
Defeated Napoleon and Hitler
Hitler defeated Hitler in Russia.
I recommend Anthony Beevor’s ‘Stalingrad’.
Hitler tended to take personal charge of things. When he left war to the generals things went well, when he intervened they went not so well.
Anastasia’s probably doing the right thing then?
It’s not up to AP. It’s all J. Young’s call. Legislation here hands all public health decision-making to the CHO, after a Public Health Emergency is called (Jan 31 2020). AP cannot change, modify or countermand.
Way better than Gladys then.
pardon the revisionism
allegedly the past week in the UK, looks like fun
Addenbrookes
A&E units across the UK are so crowded that 50% are being forced to hold sick patients outside or turn ambulances away every day, Britain’s top emergency doctor told the Guardian. The figure is the highest ever recorded; it was 27% in October 2020 and 17% in March this year. As a result, patients in some emergency departments were having to wait more than 48 hours for a bed, with hospitals across the country seeing unprecedented levels of demand, Henderson warned.
As well as typical A&E cases such as car accidents and heart attacks returning to pre-pandemic levels, emergency doctors were seeing four new groups of patients, Henderson said. They included patients who had missed out on treatment for 18 months during the pandemic and had become seriously ill, and people on elective treatment lists who were “stressed and fed up with waiting” as their condition deteriorated. There had also been a significant increase in mental health admissions to A&E, particularly among young people, she said, as well as children presenting with viral infections “whose parents have maybe never experienced their young child being unwell because they’ve been in lockdown”.
Doctors who spoke to the Guardian privately said NHS personnel shortages were worse than usual because of staff sickness and frontline workers quitting for a less stressful life. One children’s intensive care doctor said nine specialist nurses had quit their paediatric ICU since Covid unfolded and none had yet been replaced because of recruitment difficulties. Six had moved to new jobs in less stressful nursing posts outside the hospital, the medic added.
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/school-covid-guidance-events-david-ross-sports-cup/
A union is calling for more “robust” Covid guidance after an academy with dozens of confirmed and potential cases sent pupils to a trust-wide sports competition for at least 20 schools. A spokesperson for the Malcolm Arnold Academy, Northampton, confirmed some of its pupils and staff attended the David Ross Education Trust’s Summer Cup at a sports ground on Thursday. DRET’s photos on social media suggest at least 19 other schools participated. It had previously been postponed over Covid. But unions had raised concerns beforehand about the 33 cases confirmed among pupils and staff by Wednesday. Another 20 were awaiting PCR results. All were at home and did not attend the event. Four more cases were confirmed on Thursday.
A DfE spokesperson said: “The measures in place day-to-day in schools strike a balance between managing transmission risk – with enhanced ventilation, regular covid testing, isolation of positive cases and vaccinations – and reducing disruption to children’s education experiences.” She added that public health officials took into account “local circumstances, not just case numbers”. “The school sought public health advice about the sports day, which was held outside where transmission risk is lower, and has multiple benefits for pupils’ physical education and wellbeing.”
it is claimed that this was published in the Knoxville Journal Tribune approximately 118 years ago
SCIENCE said:
it is claimed that this was published in the Knoxville Journal Tribune approximately 118 years ago
Tennessee? Never!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial
SCIENCE said:
it is claimed that this was published in the Knoxville Journal Tribune approximately 118 years ago
I’m trying to find the original source, but here is the modern source:
https://twitter.com/profwehrman/status/1441212321225793546
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Sorry…one of the links was a WHO bulletin. You are mistaken.
you mean our health systems are lying to us
Dr. Ioannidis’s own paper showed that hundreds of children and thousands of young adults have died from COVID-19 in the US, though of course he suggests these numbers are inflated. Why does he think this? In an article from July 2021, he stated that:
Death certificates have always been inaccurate, but COVID-19 maximizes the challenge of prioritizing multiple comorbidities… In many other countries, death certificates are even more unreliable. Some financial incentives may promote coding for COVID-19.
That’s right, Dr. Ioannidis continues to promote the QAnon meme that the death toll is inflated because death certificates can’t be trusted.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/intubations/ Jonathan Howard on September 19, 2021
Jonathan Howard on June 18, 2021
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-exactly-did-the-virus-do-to-all-these-people-reflections-on-ted-nugent-mel-q-kelly-brogan-and-john-ioannidis/
Dr. Ioannidis is not referring to himself when he said, “what we did, mostly wrong,” but rather to doctors who treated patients with a completely new virus early in the pandemic. Had he been referring to himself, I suspect he would not have laughed when he said this. He then said that “a lot of lives” were lost at that time in part because of doctors “not knowing how to use mechanical ventilation, just going crazy, and intubating people who did not have to be intubated”. Dr. Ioannidis did not provide any evidence for this claim, nor did the podcast host, who agreed with him.
NSW: 961 new cases, 9 deaths
NSW has now reached 85% of the eligible population having received one dose of the vaccine.
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Slowly going down. This is a good thing.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
Michael V said:
NSW: 961 new cases, 9 deaths
NSW has now reached 85% of the eligible population having received one dose of the vaccine.
——————————————————————————
Slowly going down. This is a good thing.
——————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
NSW down, Vic up?
Queensland: zero new cases
The result comes from 8,022 tests over the past 24 hours.
There are currently 17 active cases in the state.
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Mind you, this is an even better good thing.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
Victoria: 779 new cases, two deaths.
The latest federal data shows nearly 77 per cent of Victorians aged 16 and above have had one dose of a vaccine, while nearly 47 per cent have had both.
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Not so good.
:(
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:NSW: 961 new cases, 9 deaths
NSW has now reached 85% of the eligible population having received one dose of the vaccine.
——————————————————————————
Slowly going down. This is a good thing.
——————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:NSW: 961 new cases, 9 deaths
NSW has now reached 85% of the eligible population having received one dose of the vaccine.
——————————————————————————
Slowly going down. This is a good thing.
——————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
Yep.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:NSW: 961 new cases, 9 deaths
NSW has now reached 85% of the eligible population having received one dose of the vaccine.
——————————————————————————
Slowly going down. This is a good thing.
——————————————————————————https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Ian said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Ian said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Around these parts, NSW has been seen as a Pyrite standard for yonks.
(Thanks to SCIENCE, who introduced the notion.)
Ian said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
There’ll be rioting in the streets if that happens.
Mr Andrews:
“I’m pleased to be able to announce it’s estimated on Tuesday we will reach the 80 per cent single-dose number.”
“That’s an important threshold. That means we can be confident about reaching 80 per cent double-dose on the time lines we outlined.
“I thank everybody, everybody who by Tuesday will be part of that 80 per cent.”
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C’mon! Keep the vaccinations coming, VIC.
:)
NSW has achieved 85% first vaccinations.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
Michael V said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Around these parts, NSW has been seen as a Pyrite standard for yonks.
(Thanks to SCIENCE, who introduced the notion.)
Yes I remember now.. brain box gets increasingly leaky
ACT has passed 85 per cent first doses mark for those 12 aged and over.
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Another Good Thing.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
Ian said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Around these parts, NSW has been seen as a Pyrite standard for yonks.
(Thanks to SCIENCE, who introduced the notion.)
Yes I remember now.. brain box gets increasingly leaky
I think it’s a terrific notion.
:)
Ian said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:NSW down, Vic up?
I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Today’s Vic number is lower than yesterday’s.
buffy said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Today’s Vic number is lower than yesterday’s.
How is it going to be tracking in 14 days time after this week’s stupidities?
Ian said:
buffy said:
Ian said:At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Today’s Vic number is lower than yesterday’s.
How is it going to be tracking in 14 days time after this week’s stupidities?
Who knows. But then NSW has had packed beaches, haven’t they?
buffy said:
Ian said:
buffy said:Today’s Vic number is lower than yesterday’s.
How is it going to be tracking in 14 days time after this week’s stupidities?
Who knows. But then NSW has had packed beaches, haven’t they?
Dunno.. in the city maybe. I went to Angourie and had the place to myself.
buffy said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:I suppose that is to be expected, as VIC was seeded by NSW, after the epidemic had taken hold there.
At this rate NSW will lose it’s gold status anytime now.
Today’s Vic number is lower than yesterday’s.
I hope that becomes a trend.
Ian said:
buffy said:
Ian said:How is it going to be tracking in 14 days time after this week’s stupidities?
Who knows. But then NSW has had packed beaches, haven’t they?
Dunno.. in the city maybe. I went to Angourie and had the place to myself.
I knew I saw it recently.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-25/nsw-police-issue-no-fines-after-gathering-at-sydney-bondi-beach/100491730
buffy said:
Ian said:
buffy said:Today’s Vic number is lower than yesterday’s.
How is it going to be tracking in 14 days time after this week’s stupidities?
Who knows. But then NSW has had packed beaches, haven’t they?
That’s right, and what do you go to beaches for, that’s right Sunshine and we all know what sunshine does to covid. Numbers in NSW are down today as a result.
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
buffy said:
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
Margaret sent me tik toks this morning that a/ talk about how covid doesn’t exist. it is just influenza a and b and b/ vaccines cause cancer.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
Margaret sent me tik toks this morning that a/ talk about how covid doesn’t exist. it is just influenza a and b and b/ vaccines cause cancer.
I’d definitely listen to Margaret.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
Margaret sent me tik toks this morning that a/ talk about how covid doesn’t exist. it is just influenza a and b and b/ vaccines cause cancer.
I don’t know how you put u with the nonsense she sends you. I couldn’t. My patience would wear very, very thin.
buffy said:
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
Yes. the un/anti vaccinated are the control group. They’re the ones given the placebo.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
Margaret sent me tik toks this morning that a/ talk about how covid doesn’t exist. it is just influenza a and b and b/ vaccines cause cancer.
I don’t know how you put u with the nonsense she sends you. I couldn’t. My patience would wear very, very thin.
It is getting thin.
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Oh, and some of you might like a conspiracy idea I saw in passing while reading other stuff. Now, I need to think to get this right…apparently the vaccine push is in some way designed to avoid having a group of unvaccinated people who act as a control in the big experiment that is going on.
Yes. the un/anti vaccinated are the control group. They’re the ones given the placebo.
No, that would be another group again. These ones haven’t been given anything. So they are the no treatment group and they know they are not being treated. Placebo are the ones like Mr buffy who had no side effects from his second (saline) jab. And they don’t know they are placebo. (Yes, we make up our own silly jokes around here. These ones are not as black as most of them are. Emergency services personnel, hey.)
Missing from this narrative :
While masks were still mandatory in most situations,
versus the idea that
testing had become equally prolific, with pop-up sites on street corners, shopfronts and at venue doors, Ms Stevens said.
and hence those people are taking small risks by ditching them. But more importantly,
did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Oh yeah imagine ForeverMaskingTestingInjectingRestrictionsNoOtherHealthCare, something to look forward to ¡
SCIENCE said:
Missing from this narrative :
- emphasis on how
While masks were still mandatory in most situations,
versus the idea that
testing had become equally prolific, with pop-up sites on street corners, shopfronts and at venue doors, Ms Stevens said.
and hence those people are taking small risks by ditching them. But more importantly,
did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Oh yeah imagine ForeverMaskingTestingInjectingRestrictionsNoOtherHealthCare, something to look forward to ¡
always nice to have a tourist perspective
SCIENCE said:
did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Certainly it’s a no-brainer to get to ZeroCOVID but how to stay there? Not even China with completely shut borders has been able to stop sporadic outbreaks and short-sharp lockdowns.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Missing from this narrative :
- emphasis on how
While masks were still mandatory in most situations,
versus the idea that
testing had become equally prolific, with pop-up sites on street corners, shopfronts and at venue doors, Ms Stevens said.
and hence those people are taking small risks by ditching them. But more importantly,
did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Oh yeah imagine ForeverMaskingTestingInjectingRestrictionsNoOtherHealthCare, something to look forward to ¡
always nice to have a tourist perspective
for one of many more thoughts, seems silly to insist on not having to chill for 14 days of quarantine in exchange for having to mask in most places and test continually and get shot and not have proper healthcare forever
but hey maybe the USSAoles are right, that higher standard of healthcare is a privilege nobody deserves, least of all Australians with a socialist healthcare system
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Certainly it’s a no-brainer to get to ZeroCOVID but how to stay there? Not even China with completely shut borders has been able to stop sporadic outbreaks and short-sharp lockdowns.
uh short sharp lockdowns like WA SA NT QLD ACT seem to be better than what NSW and VIC are playing at but yeah obviously getting shot at some stage and wearing masks during risk times still helps
and as that happens progressively then importations will become rarer and then these measures will be less frequently required
A second person who took part in anti-vaccination and anti-lockdown protests in Melbourne has tested positive to COVID-19, health authorities have confirmed.
“We’re aware that there is an individual in Geelong who was at that protest who has also turned positive, so there’s another little flurry of activity going on there,” COVID-19 response commander Jeroen Weimar said.
The man in his 30s tested positive earlier in the week, Mr Weimar said, after attending one of the rallies.
Earlier this week, the ABC revealed a person had been hospitalised after attending Wednesday’s violent scenes at the Shrine of Remembrance.
COVID-19 response commander Jeroen Weimar confirmed the case was still in hospital and contact tracing work was undergoing.
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Oh, fantastic, not.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
Michael V said:
A second person who took part in anti-vaccination and anti-lockdown protests in Melbourne has tested positive to COVID-19, health authorities have confirmed.“We’re aware that there is an individual in Geelong who was at that protest who has also turned positive, so there’s another little flurry of activity going on there,” COVID-19 response commander Jeroen Weimar said.
The man in his 30s tested positive earlier in the week, Mr Weimar said, after attending one of the rallies.
Earlier this week, the ABC revealed a person had been hospitalised after attending Wednesday’s violent scenes at the Shrine of Remembrance.
COVID-19 response commander Jeroen Weimar confirmed the case was still in hospital and contact tracing work was undergoing.
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Oh, fantastic, not.
—————————————————————————-https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492324
“The man in his 30s tested positive earlier in the week, Mr Weimar said, after attending one of the rallies.
Mr Weimar said he was unlikely to have contracted the virus at the rally, “would have been at that protest during his infectious period”.
With community transmission rising, Mr Weimar warned “if you’re going to hang around in a crowd of 500 people, then if there are COVID-positive people there … then this is where you’re going to see some spread”.”
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To add a bit of information – infectious at the rally he attended…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-26/second-melbourne-anti-lockdown-protester-tests-positive-to-covid/100492598
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Certainly it’s a no-brainer to get to ZeroCOVID but how to stay there? Not even China with completely shut borders has been able to stop sporadic outbreaks and short-sharp lockdowns.
uh short sharp lockdowns like WA SA NT QLD ACT seem to be better than what NSW and VIC are playing at but yeah obviously getting shot at some stage and wearing masks during risk times still helps
and as that happens progressively then importations will become rarer and then these measures will be less frequently required
Both Victoria and NZ went straight in hard lockdown and still couldn’t contain it. I suspect it’s a bit hit and miss given how transmissible Delta is.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Certainly it’s a no-brainer to get to ZeroCOVID but how to stay there? Not even China with completely shut borders has been able to stop sporadic outbreaks and short-sharp lockdowns.
uh short sharp lockdowns like WA SA NT QLD ACT seem to be better than what NSW and VIC are playing at but yeah obviously getting shot at some stage and wearing masks during risk times still helps
and as that happens progressively then importations will become rarer and then these measures will be less frequently required
why bother troubling over it, just let tourists and media formulate and deliver health policy for different countries, different regions, possibly do away with borders entirely, be plenty cemeteries to visit, dead people littering the streets to photograph, an unignorable stench of decay for an added olfactory dimension
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Certainly it’s a no-brainer to get to ZeroCOVID but how to stay there? Not even China with completely shut borders has been able to stop sporadic outbreaks and short-sharp lockdowns.
uh short sharp lockdowns like WA SA NT QLD ACT seem to be better than what NSW and VIC are playing at but yeah obviously getting shot at some stage and wearing masks during risk times still helps
and as that happens progressively then importations will become rarer and then these measures will be less frequently required
why bother troubling over it, just let tourists and media formulate and deliver health policy for different countries, different regions, possibly do away with borders entirely, be plenty cemeteries to visit, dead people littering the streets to photograph, an unignorable stench of decay for an added olfactory dimension
we acknowledge that may be more important for heavily tourist dependent economies but whilst we Australians do earn a good tourist dollar, we’re not convinced that 10% of The Economy Must Grow is worth sacrificing 30% of the rest for but hey we’re not travel agents
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Certainly it’s a no-brainer to get to ZeroCOVID but how to stay there? Not even China with completely shut borders has been able to stop sporadic outbreaks and short-sharp lockdowns.
uh short sharp lockdowns like WA SA NT QLD ACT seem to be better than what NSW and VIC are playing at but yeah obviously getting shot at some stage and wearing masks during risk times still helps
and as that happens progressively then importations will become rarer and then these measures will be less frequently required
Both Victoria and NZ went straight in hard lockdown and still couldn’t contain it. I suspect it’s a bit hit and miss given how transmissible Delta is.
Fairly true so if B.1.617.2 now needs vaccination and mask compliance to eliminate them so be it.
We also get that as this drags on and more other countries weaponise SARS-CoV-2 strains, they may eventually come up with one that smashes even those measures, and then nobody has any choice but to downgrade their expectations of human development and improved standards of living
but
to deliberately pursue the evolution of nightmareCOVID just to prove that some diseases with enough psychopathural selection can’t be controlled, seems disingenuous.
The Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists state leaders have a duty to reopen their borders once 80 percent of their population has been fully vaccinated.
Mr Morrison has told Channel Seven, Premiers need to honour the National Plan so Australians can have “their lives back” by Christmas.
“That’s within the gift of governments, and that’s a gift I’d like to see us give them,” he said.
“There comes a time when you’ve got to honour the arrangement you’ve made with the Australian people, and that is when you get to 80 per cent vaccination, it’s very clear that you can start opening up.”
Under the National Plan agreed to by state and territory leaders, restrictions will gradually ease once 70 and 80 percent of people have received both doses.
Some states that have managed to keep the virus out of their communities have expressed concern about reopening their borders even once the country has achieved high vaccination rates.
“It’s very clear, I can’t see any reason why Australians should be kept from each other and so that puts a heavy, heavy responsibility on those who would seek to prevent that from happening,” Mr Morrison said.
“Of course, there is common sense things that we will do, there’ll be the QR code log ins and all that sort of stuff, wearing masks perhaps occasionally in particular settings but, you know, there comes a time when you just got to move on and get on with it.”
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pity about all those who have died and will die from deliberate infection strategy, we mean the ones who aren’t getting their lives back
oh wait that’s right with good pandemic control then everyone can have their lives imagine that
Pretty safe with a no through road, concrete obstacles, tank traps, pillboxes, drone recognisance and enfiladed entrances. Self sufficient in food electricity and water. Gubment can get rogered and burnt.
Peak Warming Man said:
Pretty safe with a no through road, concrete obstacles, tank traps, pillboxes, drone recognisance and enfiladed entrances. Self sufficient in food electricity and water. Gubment can get rogered and burnt.
Sovereign citizen Pete.
Labor Communist WA Propaganda (Lies Victory)
Peak Warming Man said:
Pretty safe with a no through road, concrete obstacles, tank traps, pillboxes, drone recognisance and enfiladed entrances. Self sufficient in food electricity and water. Gubment can get rogered and burnt.
Leaving yaself a bit open to a defiladed attack there, Mr Man. You know, given the local terrain and stuff.
And you need to consider the good old coming up from behind. I’d reckon barbed wire in always good for protecting your rear end from unwarranted infiltration. .
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Pretty safe with a no through road, concrete obstacles, tank traps, pillboxes, drone recognisance and enfiladed entrances. Self sufficient in food electricity and water. Gubment can get rogered and burnt.
Leaving yaself a bit open to a defiladed attack there, Mr Man. You know, given the local terrain and stuff.
And you need to consider the good old coming up from behind. I’d reckon barbed wire in always good for protecting your rear end from unwarranted infiltration. .
Nuke it from orbit; it’s the only way to be sure….
SCIENCE said:
LaborCommunist WA Propaganda (LiesVictory)
Would have thought the Premier would have got a better seat than that, it looks like the upper deck in the pocket.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
LaborCommunist WA Propaganda (LiesVictory)
Would have thought the Premier would have got a better seat than that, it looks like the upper deck in the pocket.
that is because he is a man of the people.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Tell That To Teabie
Seems like the tuBurc is pissweak compared to the coVid
As of 2018, one quarter of the world’s population was thought to have latent infection with TB. New infections occur in about 1% of the population each year. In 2018, there were more than 10 million cases of active TB, resulting in 1.5 million deaths and making it the number one cause of death from an infectious disease at that time.
wait is this the mild and long-term-live-with disease that public health authorities in Australia shit themselves over when it’s imported and there are mandatory migration irradiations and eradication therapies and you get locked up for months if you’re considered contagious
all for something that sits around latent 99.9% of the time
fk what an overreaction that was
we mean obviously as y’all see the plan for “disease elimination” ends in 2020 so yeah
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
LaborCommunist WA Propaganda (LiesVictory)
Would have thought the Premier would have got a better seat than that, it looks like the upper deck in the pocket.
that is because he is a man of the people.
communist
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
LaborCommunist WA Propaganda (LiesVictory)
Would have thought the Premier would have got a better seat than that, it looks like the upper deck in the pocket.
that is because he is a man of the people.
It is easy to be a man of the people when the people don’t have Covid.
SCIENCE said:
The Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists state leaders have a duty to reopen their borders once 80 percent of their population has been fully vaccinated.Mr Morrison has told Channel Seven, Premiers need to honour the National Plan so Australians can have “their lives back” by Christmas.
“That’s within the gift of governments, and that’s a gift I’d like to see us give them,” he said.
“There comes a time when you’ve got to honour the arrangement you’ve made with the Australian people, and that is when you get to 80 per cent vaccination, it’s very clear that you can start opening up.”
Under the National Plan agreed to by state and territory leaders, restrictions will gradually ease once 70 and 80 percent of people have received both doses.
Some states that have managed to keep the virus out of their communities have expressed concern about reopening their borders even once the country has achieved high vaccination rates.
“It’s very clear, I can’t see any reason why Australians should be kept from each other and so that puts a heavy, heavy responsibility on those who would seek to prevent that from happening,” Mr Morrison said.
“Of course, there is common sense things that we will do, there’ll be the QR code log ins and all that sort of stuff, wearing masks perhaps occasionally in particular settings but, you know, there comes a time when you just got to move on and get on with it.”
—
pity about all those who have died and will die from deliberate infection strategy, we mean the ones who aren’t getting their lives back
oh wait that’s right with good pandemic control then everyone can have their lives imagine that
the man seems keen for a covid christmas, be australia’s covid santa
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Seems like the tuBurc is pissweak compared to the coVid
As of 2018, one quarter of the world’s population was thought to have latent infection with TB. New infections occur in about 1% of the population each year. In 2018, there were more than 10 million cases of active TB, resulting in 1.5 million deaths and making it the number one cause of death from an infectious disease at that time.
wait is this the mild and long-term-live-with disease that public health authorities in Australia shit themselves over when it’s imported and there are mandatory migration irradiations and eradication therapies and you get locked up for months if you’re considered contagious
all for something that sits around latent 99.9% of the time
fk what an overreaction that was
we mean obviously as y’all see the plan for “disease elimination” ends in 2020 so yeah
certainly the first occasion I know of (of history) something has been released (planned) because it’s too contagious to contain
work of the devil I say
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:Would have thought the Premier would have got a better seat than that, it looks like the upper deck in the pocket.
that is because he is a man of the people.
It is easy to be a man of the people when the people don’t have Covid.
Pappa Mark keeps us safe.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2
Coming next , the Banal pandemic…
poikilotherm said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2Coming next , the Banal pandemic…
Not much new there then…
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2Coming next , the Banal pandemic…
Not much new there then…
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
LaborCommunist WA Propaganda (LiesVictory)
Would have thought the Premier would have got a better seat than that, it looks like the upper deck in the pocket.
that is because he is a man of the people.
Apparently he caught the train to the game. Wonder if they cracked out the royal carriage…
ABC News:
‘At this rate, the NT will not reach the vaccine targets to reopen by November
By Nicholas Hynes
The Northern Territory is aiming for 80 per cent vaccination coverage by November. But if the current pace of the rollout in remote communities doesn’t improve, that target won’t be met until well after Christmas.
Hah!
We’ll be able to point and jeer at NT, and say ‘now, the turns are tabled, and you can’t come to our vaccinated havens! Suffer, Terrortorists!
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘At this rate, the NT will not reach the vaccine targets to reopen by November
By Nicholas Hynes
The Northern Territory is aiming for 80 per cent vaccination coverage by November. But if the current pace of the rollout in remote communities doesn’t improve, that target won’t be met until well after Christmas.Hah!
We’ll be able to point and jeer at NT, and say ‘now, the turns are tabled, and you can’t come to our vaccinated havens! Suffer, Terrortorists!
The Terns are tabled? Most people just have a roast chook, or turkey, for Christmas. Look at you and your fancy seabird feast ..
furious said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘At this rate, the NT will not reach the vaccine targets to reopen by November
By Nicholas Hynes
The Northern Territory is aiming for 80 per cent vaccination coverage by November. But if the current pace of the rollout in remote communities doesn’t improve, that target won’t be met until well after Christmas.Hah!
We’ll be able to point and jeer at NT, and say ‘now, the turns are tabled, and you can’t come to our vaccinated havens! Suffer, Terrortorists!
The Terns are tabled? Most people just have a roast chook, or turkey, for Christmas. Look at you and your fancy seabird feast ..
furious said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘At this rate, the NT will not reach the vaccine targets to reopen by November
By Nicholas Hynes
The Northern Territory is aiming for 80 per cent vaccination coverage by November. But if the current pace of the rollout in remote communities doesn’t improve, that target won’t be met until well after Christmas.Hah!
We’ll be able to point and jeer at NT, and say ‘now, the turns are tabled, and you can’t come to our vaccinated havens! Suffer, Terrortorists!
The Terns are tabled? Most people just have a roast chook, or turkey, for Christmas. Look at you and your fancy seabird feast ..
He’d have to catch a few.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2
Coming next , the Banal pandemic…
Not much new there then…
A little , some closer relations to wuflu.
Closest known relatives of virus behind COVID-19 found in Laos
Scientists have found three viruses in bats in Laos that are more similar to SARS-CoV-2 than any known viruses. Researchers say that parts of their genetic code bolster claims that the virus behind COVID-19 has a natural origin — but their discovery also raises fears that there are numerous coronaviruses with the potential to infect people.
Aha, we knew it, CHINA deliberately blocked laboratory leak investigations until they were able to send their scientists agents to Laos and release ancestral viruses there as a diversion ¡
it is claimed (including implied in the post itself) that the LFT instructions are nose only
how convenient
guess they could just be dishonestly boasting
Kingy said:
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The “protests” are probably a worthwhile public service, as they make it clear that the anti-vax lobby consists largely of anti-social morons.
I am conflicted about the Melbourne protests.
On one hand, these protesters are fucking morons and deserve bean bags and water cannons.
On the other hand, when sensible people protest about government overreach, we should be allowed to protest without injury.
Word on the street is that this little gem
really is the cuprum / argentium / aurum / roentgenium bullet that will Cure COVID-19 Better Than Hydroxychloroquine And Ivermectin Ever Did ¡
Feline infectious peritonitis (FIP) is a viral disease of cats caused by certain strains of a virus called the feline coronavirus. Most strains of feline coronavirus are found in the gastrointestinal tract and do not cause significant disease. These are referred to as feline enteric coronavirus (FeCV).
Cats infected with FeCV usually do not show any symptoms during the initial viral infection, but may occasionally experience brief bouts of diarrhea and/or mild upper respiratory signs from which they recover spontaneously. FeCV-infected cats usually mount an immune response through which antibodies against the virus are produced within 7-10 days of infection.
In approximately 10 percent of cats infected with FeCV, one or more mutations of the virus can alter its biological behavior, resulting in white blood cells becoming infected with virus and spreading it throughout the cat’s body. When this occurs, the virus is referred to as the FIPV. An intense inflammatory reaction to FIPV occurs around vessels in the tissues where these infected cells locate, often in the abdomen, kidney, or brain. It is this interaction between the body’s own immune system and the virus that is responsible for the development of FIP. Once a cat develops clinical FIP, the disease is usually progressive and almost always fatal without therapy that has recently become available, but that has yet to be approved to treat FIP in cats by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) (see below).
To our knowledge, coronaviruses cannot be passed from infected cats to humans.
Feline Coronavirus (FCoV) is a common viral infection in cats. It generally causes asymptomatic infection, but can cause mild diarrhea.
As yet poorly understood changes in the virus can give rise to mutants that lead to the development of feline infectious peritonitis (FIP). Most cats infected with a FCoV eliminate virus following infection, but some cats may develop a persistent infection. These cats are generally asymptomatic, can shed large amounts of virus in feces, and serve as a continual source of infection for other cats in the environment. Continual circulation of FCoV within a cat population may increase the chance that a virulent FIP strain might emerge.
While the pathogenesis of FIP is poorly understood, it is now believed that detection and removal of persistently infected and shedding cats in a multi-cat household can reduce the risk of FIP emergence within that population.
SCIENCE said:
Word on the street is that this little gem
really is the cuprum / argentium / aurum / roentgenium bullet that will Cure COVID-19 Better Than Hydroxychloroquine And Ivermectin Ever Did ¡
I’ll buy eyedrop shares
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Word on the street is that this little gem
really is the cuprum / argentium / aurum / roentgenium bullet that will Cure COVID-19 Better Than Hydroxychloroquine And Ivermectin Ever Did ¡
I’ll buy eyedrop shares
I’ll admit to having no idea what you two are on about.
sibeen said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Word on the street is that this little gem
really is the cuprum / argentium / aurum / roentgenium bullet that will Cure COVID-19 Better Than Hydroxychloroquine And Ivermectin Ever Did ¡
I’ll buy eyedrop shares
I’ll admit to having no idea what you two are on about.
Tetryzoline
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Missing from this narrative :
- emphasis on how
While masks were still mandatory in most situations,
versus the idea that
testing had become equally prolific, with pop-up sites on street corners, shopfronts and at venue doors, Ms Stevens said.
and hence those people are taking small risks by ditching them. But more importantly,
did they forget that in ZeroCOVID places, masks / testing / autism injections / internal border restrictions were not necessary at all, and in Australia’s case, for 12 months.
Oh yeah imagine ForeverMaskingTestingInjectingRestrictionsNoOtherHealthCare, something to look forward to ¡
always nice to have a tourist perspective
for one of many more thoughts, seems silly to insist on not having to chill for 14 days of quarantine in exchange for having to mask in most places and test continually and get shot and not have proper healthcare forever
but hey maybe the USSAoles are right, that higher standard of healthcare is a privilege nobody deserves, least of all Australians with a socialist healthcare system
I think the biggest inconvenient fact around presently is that elimination, no less so vaccine+ elimination is quite doable, and works well (is being done, demonstrably works, and is achievable elsewhere) but instead the project is to relax that for international travelers coming in, the risk of traveling in (to any local population) appears lower from a relative perspective in the context of ‘background’ covid, the trouble with the project though is that the domestic situation becomes subordinate to the bigger picture (international influences) and States potentially subordinate to the national influence, there’s a hierarchy about it, being resisted to great extent(left to the States largely, people of), and if I put it rude-like, of the international influence, i’d say fuck off you don’t vote in this country, have no legitimacy, and appeals domestically to that influence abroad similarly, as I said, same sentiment, to those global citizens with no particular loyalty
the further trouble is there is this undefined thing (deceptions deployed) about what levels of background covid are required to render international travel landing here, by boat of plane, a relatively lower risk, the trend of course will be that background covid levels will rise to suit that, to eventually dissolve quarantine
to hide this demonic device there are entities domestically influenced by forces from abroad that are keen to raise the background covid levels here, get the locals to do it you know, anyway turns out skippy isn’t that fucken dumb, a lot of them aren’t
Australia is climbing higher up the leader board for number of new vaccinations per day per 100 people (smoothed).
Now only exceeded by Cuba, Cambodia, New Caledonia, Brunei and Kiribati.
But we started late so are only middle of the road for total vaccinations.
So here is Hamilton’s latest brush with the bug.
A couple of out of town painters worked on a building site on Wed 15 and Thurs 16 of September. They stayed at a local motel Tues 14/Wed 15/Thurs 16. After they went home (I think I read it was a Geelong company that has the contract for the Pedrina Park rebuild, but they could have been from Melbourne) they tested positive. On Tues 21 the site was labelled Tier 1 and the motel Tier 2. On the 22nd various takeaway places, a patrol station and Coles and Bunnings were also labelled Tier 2 for the three days in question.
The testing place in Hamilton has been puddling along opening for 2 hours a day, but was opened up longer and an extra one was set up in the sheep pavilion at the show grounds. That one was open all day for one day and then from 9.00 to 12noon, closed on Sunday and I think from the website it is open for 3 hours again today.
I’ve looked at the daily cases announced each day at the press conferences for Victoria, and it seems no-one in this area caught the thing. I wonder if the painters got it after they went home.
William is one of almost 40 Australians who died at home with COVID-19 in this outbreak. His family says his condition deteriorated rapidly
As a worrying trend emerges of people dying at home from COVID-19 – rather than in hospital – 7.30 can reveal that just over half of the people in New South Wales who have died at home from COVID-19 were not known to health authorities and were only diagnosed with the virus after they died.
Of the 29 people who died at home in NSW, most were in Sydney’s western suburbs and only 13 were known to NSW Health and being called regularly to check in on their health.
The remaining 16 were only diagnosed with COVID-19 post-mortem.
It is not clear why so many people are dying at home, and it has become a feature of the current outbreak in Sydney and in Melbourne, where nine people have died, all in the city’s northern suburbs. Four of them were diagnosed with COVID-19 post-mortem.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/australians-dying-at-home-with-covid-19-sydney-melbourne/100482978
Bubblecar said:
William is one of almost 40 Australians who died at home with COVID-19 in this outbreak. His family says his condition deteriorated rapidlyAs a worrying trend emerges of people dying at home from COVID-19 – rather than in hospital – 7.30 can reveal that just over half of the people in New South Wales who have died at home from COVID-19 were not known to health authorities and were only diagnosed with the virus after they died.
Of the 29 people who died at home in NSW, most were in Sydney’s western suburbs and only 13 were known to NSW Health and being called regularly to check in on their health.
The remaining 16 were only diagnosed with COVID-19 post-mortem.
It is not clear why so many people are dying at home, and it has become a feature of the current outbreak in Sydney and in Melbourne, where nine people have died, all in the city’s northern suburbs. Four of them were diagnosed with COVID-19 post-mortem.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/australians-dying-at-home-with-covid-19-sydney-melbourne/100482978
“I feel crook, I’m going to bed”. The rest of the family if there is one, leave him/her there.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/14/the-virus-is-painfully-real-vaccine-hesitant-people-are-dying-and-their-loved-ones-want-the-world-to-listen
Good news for us people who’ve got the AZ jab.
In the long run it affords you better protection than Pfizer although Pfizer is better for the first four months, after that it’s efficacy drops away quite a bit while AZ only drops away a little bit, apparently.
Peak Warming Man said:
Good news for us people who’ve got the AZ jab.
In the long run it affords you better protection than Pfizer although Pfizer is better for the first four months, after that it’s efficacy drops away quite a bit while AZ only drops away a little bit, apparently.
:) +1
Peak Warming Man said:
Good news for us people who’ve got the AZ jab.
In the long run it affords you better protection than Pfizer although Pfizer is better for the first four months, after that it’s efficacy drops away quite a bit while AZ only drops away a little bit, apparently.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Good news for us people who’ve got the AZ jab.
In the long run it affords you better protection than Pfizer although Pfizer is better for the first four months, after that it’s efficacy drops away quite a bit while AZ only drops away a little bit, apparently.
I need a plus in my life atm. Thanks.
No worries.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Good news for us people who’ve got the AZ jab.
In the long run it affords you better protection than Pfizer although Pfizer is better for the first four months, after that it’s efficacy drops away quite a bit while AZ only drops away a little bit, apparently.
I need a plus in my life atm. Thanks.No worries.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/australians-dying-at-home-with-covid-19-sydney-melbourne/100482978
QLD: ZERO new cases.
VIC: 705 new cases, 1 death.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492852
Michael V said:
QLD: ZERO new cases.VIC: 705 new cases, 1 death.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492852
NSW: 787 new cases, 12 deaths
:(
Michael V said:
QLD: ZERO new cases.VIC: 705 new cases, 1 death.
—————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/covid-live-blog-victoria-nsw-lockdown-vaccine/100492852
I so hope that Qld’ers pull their fingers out and gets vaxxed ASAP..
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:always nice to have a tourist perspective
for one of many more thoughts, seems silly to insist on not having to chill for 14 days of quarantine in exchange for having to mask in most places and test continually and get shot and not have proper healthcare forever
but hey maybe the USSAoles are right, that higher standard of healthcare is a privilege nobody deserves, least of all Australians with a socialist healthcare system
I think the biggest inconvenient fact around presently is that elimination, no less so vaccine+ elimination is quite doable, and works well (is being done, demonstrably works, and is achievable elsewhere) but instead the project is to relax that for international travelers coming in, the risk of traveling in (to any local population) appears lower from a relative perspective in the context of ‘background’ covid, the trouble with the project though is that the domestic situation becomes subordinate to the bigger picture (international influences) and States potentially subordinate to the national influence, there’s a hierarchy about it, being resisted to great extent(left to the States largely, people of), and if I put it rude-like, of the international influence, i’d say fuck off you don’t vote in this country, have no legitimacy, and appeals domestically to that influence abroad similarly, as I said, same sentiment, to those global citizens with no particular loyalty
the further trouble is there is this undefined thing (deceptions deployed) about what levels of background covid are required to render international travel landing here, by boat of plane, a relatively lower risk, the trend of course will be that background covid levels will rise to suit that, to eventually dissolve quarantine
to hide this demonic device there are entities domestically influenced by forces from abroad that are keen to raise the background covid levels here, get the locals to do it you know, anyway turns out skippy isn’t that fucken dumb, a lot of them aren’t
you betcha
Scrapping quarantine is seen as crucial to encouraging inbound tourism
good news for mRNAccine hoarders, efficacy always higher than adenovirus vectorcines when given at the same interval and ability to continue to 3rd doses
Today’s Qld figures: 
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
Seems they’re doing something correctly.
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
What am I missing?
Recovered 1997
Deaths 7
Active Cases 12
Total 2022 2016?
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
What am I missing?
Recovered 1997
Deaths 7
Active Cases 12Total
20222016?
Each day, total cases may not equal active plus recovered plus deaths, as information for some cases is still pending and will be updated in due course.
Tamb said:
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
What am I missing?
Recovered 1997
Deaths 7
Active Cases 12Total
20222016?
Each day, total cases may not equal active plus recovered plus deaths, as information for some cases is still pending and will be updated in due course.
How can these cases be added to the total but not yet fit the other listing criteria? Surely, it’s not too hard to tell the difference between recovered, dead, or active.
Speedy said:
Tamb said:
Speedy said:What am I missing?
Recovered 1997
Deaths 7
Active Cases 12Total
20222016?
Each day, total cases may not equal active plus recovered plus deaths, as information for some cases is still pending and will be updated in due course.
How can these cases be added to the total but not yet fit the other listing criteria? Surely, it’s not too hard to tell the difference between recovered, dead, or active.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-09-27/illegal-cactus-sales-in-nsw-warning/100493522
who fkn gives asht, just Let It Rip™ for The Economy Must Grow, illegal plant sellers and buyers are just innocent traders
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-09-27/illegal-cactus-sales-in-nsw-warning/100493522who fkn gives asht, just Let It Rip™ for The Economy Must Grow, illegal plant sellers and buyers are just innocent traders
What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-09-27/illegal-cactus-sales-in-nsw-warning/100493522who fkn gives asht, just Let It Rip™ for The Economy Must Grow, illegal plant sellers and buyers are just innocent traders
What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Tamb said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-09-27/illegal-cactus-sales-in-nsw-warning/100493522who fkn gives asht, just Let It Rip™ for The Economy Must Grow, illegal plant sellers and buyers are just innocent traders
What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.
If i find someone actually trying to sell prickly pear, i’ll show them a novel place for them to keep it.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.If i find someone actually trying to sell prickly pear, i’ll show them a novel place for them to keep it.
Tamb said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-09-27/illegal-cactus-sales-in-nsw-warning/100493522who fkn gives asht, just Let It Rip™ for The Economy Must Grow, illegal plant sellers and buyers are just innocent traders
What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.
Got some Prickly Pear on the redoubt, not much so I haven’t sprayed it.
The fruit is nice but ya gotta burn off the hairs on it with a lighter before handling it.
Wild Wheel cactus is also overrunning large areas of Victoria.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-05-25/wheel-cactus-spreads-across-northern-victoria/100160192
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.Got some Prickly Pear on the redoubt, not much so I haven’t sprayed it.
The fruit is nice but ya gotta burn off the hairs on it with a lighter before handling it.
Spraying don’t work apparently, Mr Man. Neither does a 40 tonne excavator.
I suppose if your sprayer is a 20 tonne flaming napalm thrower, then you might have some success, though, hey what but.
https://www.arc.agric.za/arc-ppri/Leaflets%20Library/Control%20of%20prickly%20pear.pdf
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.Got some Prickly Pear on the redoubt, not much so I haven’t sprayed it.
The fruit is nice but ya gotta burn off the hairs on it with a lighter before handling it.
Woodie said:
Spraying don’t work apparently, Mr Man. Neither does a 40 tonne excavator.
There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:Spraying don’t work apparently, Mr Man. Neither does a 40 tonne excavator.
There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:Spraying don’t work apparently, Mr Man. Neither does a 40 tonne excavator.
There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
In my poison shed I’ve got Grazeon Extra, it’s rogered everything I’ve thrown it at.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
In my poison shed I’ve got Grazeon Extra, it’s rogered everything I’ve thrown it at.
Grazeon is good. Bit exxy, hey what but. And doesn’t kill the grass.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:Spraying don’t work apparently, Mr Man. Neither does a 40 tonne excavator.
There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
I’m sure I’ve seen/read about this process. It needs to be done at just the right time, then re-injected again after a time. It’s terribly time-consuming, but what I saw/read was about a farmer who had learned that there was no other alternative if he wanted to reclaim his land.
Speedy said:
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
I’m sure I’ve seen/read about this process. It needs to be done at just the right time, then re-injected again after a time. It’s terribly time-consuming, but what I saw/read was about a farmer who had learned that there was no other alternative if he wanted to reclaim his land.
want some Cactoblastis cactorum.
Bogsnorkler said:
Speedy said:
Woodie said:There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
I’m sure I’ve seen/read about this process. It needs to be done at just the right time, then re-injected again after a time. It’s terribly time-consuming, but what I saw/read was about a farmer who had learned that there was no other alternative if he wanted to reclaim his land.
want some Cactoblastis cactorum.
Dactylopius coccus is much better for toffee apples
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
Blame SCIENCE
Speedy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Speedy said:I’m sure I’ve seen/read about this process. It needs to be done at just the right time, then re-injected again after a time. It’s terribly time-consuming, but what I saw/read was about a farmer who had learned that there was no other alternative if he wanted to reclaim his land.
want some Cactoblastis cactorum.
Dactylopius coccus is much better for toffee apples
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
LOL, it’s alright used in conjunction with sunlight.
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
Bleach, Ivermectin, Roundup…it’s all good.
Peak Warming Man said:
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
LOL, it’s alright used in conjunction with sunlight.
I’m not sticking a bar of sunlight up my blurter!
Speedy said:
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:There are chemicals that work on it, although i don’t know what they are.
A contractor sprayed prickly pear plants that were invading the RAS showground here, and whatever it was knocked them for six.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
I’m sure I’ve seen/read about this process. It needs to be done at just the right time, then re-injected again after a time. It’s terribly time-consuming, but what I saw/read was about a farmer who had learned that there was no other alternative if he wanted to reclaim his land.
They used kerosene flame throwers in the 1920s I think.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
Bleach, Ivermectin, Roundup…it’s all good.
I can’t tell the difference between hydroxychloroquine and monosodium glyphosate.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
Bleach, Ivermectin, Roundup…it’s all good.
I can’t tell the difference between hydroxychloroquine and monosodium glyphosate.
Try Lorsban (Chlorpyrifos)
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:What ever happened to Prickly Pear, hey what but!
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.Got some Prickly Pear on the redoubt, not much so I haven’t sprayed it.
The fruit is nice but ya gotta burn off the hairs on it with a lighter before handling it.
Yes.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
Bleach, Ivermectin, Roundup…it’s all good.
I can’t tell the difference between hydroxychloroquine and monosodium glyphosate.
White powders when distilled and crystallised.
Tamb said:
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:Bleach, Ivermectin, Roundup…it’s all good.
I can’t tell the difference between hydroxychloroquine and monosodium glyphosate.
Try Lorsban (Chlorpyrifos)
He’s got some of that chemical. For the white house-eating insects, IIRC.
Speedy said:
furious said:
- There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
Hang in, are we still talking about COVID? Roundup seems excessive…
Blame SCIENCE
Wait Until We Tell You About Paraquat
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Looks like Prickly Pear, a nasty weed.
If i find someone actually trying to sell prickly pear, i’ll show them a novel place for them to keep it.
I agree: Acknowledged as one of the greatest biological invasions of modern times, the introduction and subsequent spread of prickly pear into Queensland and New South Wales had infested millions of hectares of rural land by the 1920s, rendering it useless for agriculture. Prickly pear proved so difficult and costly to control by chemical and mechanical means that enormous areas were simply abandoned by their owners.
There are a number, including roundup, but most stuff I can find says you should inject it.
so what we’re saying is that dv’s recommendation
really is a necessary method of biological pest control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_lDnay3H8
the assembly will hear an address by her excellency mia amore motley prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados may i request protocol to escort her excellency i have great pleasure in welcoming our excellency mia more motley prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados and i invite her to address the general assembly madam prime minister thank you very much madam vice president please permit me at the outset to congratulate the secretary general antonio gutierrez and the deputy secretary general mohammed on their reappointment as to the post here and also to the election of the president for this 76th general assembly if i use the speech prepared for me to deliver today it would be a repetition a repetition of what you have heard from others and also from me equally how many more times will we then have a situation where we say the same thing over and over and over to come to not my friends we cannot do that anymore and i ask simply that we recall and three years ago when i made my maiden speech i indicated from this very podium and told the international community that the world appeared awfully similar to what it looked like a hundred years ago barbados made that position clear regrettably we have not come to say we told you so but we have come to say that the needle has not moved and that we have not seen sufficient action on behalf of the people of this world i am not here therefore to keep you long today and shall be very very brief how many more variants of kovite 19 must arrive how many more before a worldwide action plan for vaccinations will be implemented how many more deaths must it take before 1.7 billion excess vaccines in the possession of the advanced countries of the world will be shared with those who have simply no access no access to vaccines how much more fake news will we allow to be spread without states defending the public digital space we’ve come together with alacrity to defend the right of states to tax across the digital space but we are not prepared to come together with the same alacrity to defend the rights of our citizens to be duped by fake news in the same digital space and how many more surges must there be before we ask when will the world take action none are safe until all are safe how many more times will we hear that and how much more must we do madam vice president before the global moral strategic leadership that our world needs comes how much more global temperature rise must there be before we end the burning of fossil fuels and how much more must sea levels climb in small island developing states before those who profited from the stockpiling of greenhouse gases contribute to the loss and damage that they occasioned rather than asking us to crowd out the fiscal space that we have for development to cure the damage caused by the greed of others and how many more hurricanes must destroy locusts devour and islands submerge before we recognize that a hundred billion dollars in adaptation is simply not even enough the answer madam vice president is that we are waiting for urgent global moral strategic leadership how many more crises must hit before we see an international system that stops dividing us and starts to lift us up how many more times must people come to this podium and speak about the plight of the people of cuba and haiti and see very little being done to lift the floor of social development to give those people the right to pursue legitimate ambitions how many more how many more crises and natural disasters before we see that all conventions of aid mean that assistance does not reach those who need it most and those who are most vulnerable and how much wealthier must tech firms get the top five tech firms have a market capitalization of 9.3 trillion i didn’t say billion trillion dollars how much more wealthier must they get before we worry about the fact that so few of us have access to data and knowledge and that our children are being deprived of the tools that they need in order to be able to participate in online education the answer madam vice president is that we have the means to give every child on this planet a tablet and we have the means to give every adult a vaccine and we have the means to invest in protecting the most vulnerable on our planet from a change in climate but we choose not to it is not because we do not have enough it is because we do not have the will to distribute that which we have and it is also because regrettably the faceless few do not fear the consequences sufficiently how many more leaders must come to this podium and not be heard before they stop coming how many times must we address an empty hall of officials in an institution that was intended to be made for leaders to discuss with leaders the advancement necessary to prevent another great war or any of the other great challenges of our humanity how many more times will we stand idly by and see women of color and men of color and women period be attacked at the leadership of international organizations disproportionately and yes how many more times must the great needs be met simply by nice words and not have before us the opportunity to see the good will that is necessary to prevent nationalism and militarism the answer madam president is that this age dangerously resembles that of a century ago a time when we were on the eve of the great depression on a time when we fought a similar pandemic and a time when fascism and populism and nationalism led to the decimation of populations through actions that are too horrendous for us to even contemplate our world knows not what it is gambling with and if we don’t control this fire it will burn us all down as i said two years ago this is not science fiction we heard the secretary general make the same comment on tuesday morning this is our reality it is not science fiction and if the truth be told the secretary general’s speech said it all but who will stand in here and support him to give him the mandate and our institutions be it the who the imf or the world bank or the regional development banks or the development institutions who will give them the mandate to go forward if we continue to refuse to summon the political will to confront what we know we must confront i ask us who in here will sign the new charter a new charter for the 21st century that is appropriate for not the next 75 because the world in which we live moves too quickly but let us try for the next 25 years to meet the needs of a 21st century not the needs of the middle of the 20th century on the aftermath of a world war that none of us can really relate to today in the words of robert nestor marley who will get up and stand up who will get up and stand up for the rights of our people who will stand up in the name of all those who have died during this awful pandemic the millions who will stand up in the name of all those who have died because of the climate crisis or who will stand up for these small island developing states who need 1.5 degrees to survive as we go to cop26 who who will stand up not with a little token but with real progress and who will stand up for all in our countries who remain and suffer the indignity of unemployment and underemployment and whose access to food is now compromised by increased food prices and increased transportation prices and transportation quite frankly that is being manipulated it is not beyond us to solve this problem if we can find the will to send people to the moon and solve male baldness as i’ve said over and over we can solve simple problems like letting our people eat at affordable prices and making sure that we have the transport we have been told that democracy is what matters in our country and democracy is fundamentally an issue of the majority and numbers but why don’t we count who stands up in here and why don’t we take a reckoning for the numbers in here my friends it is against that background that i say to you this is not 1945 with 50 countries this is 2021 with many countries that did not exist in 1945 who must face their people and answer the needs of their people who want to know what is the relevance of an international community that only comes and does not listen to each other that only talks and will not talk with each other it is against this background that i say that our voices must be heard and our voices must matter and today barbados calls at this dangerous fork in the road that the nation states of this assembly and the people of this world must indicate what direction we want our world to go in and not leave it to the faceless few who have worked so hard to prevent the prosperity from being shared that is sufficient in this world and being shared with all of our people i ask you today to support us because we will bring a resolution in plenary to endorse the approach of antonia gutierrez as secretary general when i met with him two days ago i told him we share the same philosophy we want the same destination the only issue is what road we take and what are the obstacles in that road and what are the potholes we must overcome my friends i fear we leave anger in need of another anger one with real engagement and one to secure real progress that is what he called for on tuesday i regret that the token initiatives will not close the gap on monday morning i said to the prime minister of the united kingdom that i was a student in his country and that as we got off the train there would be a pre-recorded message each time that simply said let us my friends not only mind the gap but determine as a global community of nations that numbers matter and that we have the population and the member states to send the signal of the direction that we want our world to go in at this dangerous moment and let us do so with the calm assurance that those who labor in great causes never ultimately fail but we must summon the courage to do it i ask us in the name of our people to find the global moral strategic leadership global because our problems are global moral because we must do the right thing and strategic because we cannot solve every problem of the world but we must solve those within our purview immediately thank you i on behalf of general assembly i wish to thank her excellency miami motley the prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados for her statement and i request protocol to escort her excellency you
SCIENCE said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_lDnay3H8
the assembly will hear an address by her excellency mia amore motley prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados may i request protocol to escort her excellency i have great pleasure in welcoming our excellency mia more motley prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados and i invite her to address the general assembly madam prime minister thank you very much madam vice president please permit me at the outset to congratulate the secretary general antonio gutierrez and the deputy secretary general mohammed on their reappointment as to the post here and also to the election of the president for this 76th general assembly if i use the speech prepared for me to deliver today it would be a repetition a repetition of what you have heard from others and also from me equally how many more times will we then have a situation where we say the same thing over and over and over to come to not my friends we cannot do that anymore and i ask simply that we recall and three years ago when i made my maiden speech i indicated from this very podium and told the international community that the world appeared awfully similar to what it looked like a hundred years ago barbados made that position clear regrettably we have not come to say we told you so but we have come to say that the needle has not moved and that we have not seen sufficient action on behalf of the people of this world i am not here therefore to keep you long today and shall be very very brief how many more variants of kovite 19 must arrive how many more before a worldwide action plan for vaccinations will be implemented how many more deaths must it take before 1.7 billion excess vaccines in the possession of the advanced countries of the world will be shared with those who have simply no access no access to vaccines how much more fake news will we allow to be spread without states defending the public digital space we’ve come together with alacrity to defend the right of states to tax across the digital space but we are not prepared to come together with the same alacrity to defend the rights of our citizens to be duped by fake news in the same digital space and how many more surges must there be before we ask when will the world take action none are safe until all are safe how many more times will we hear that and how much more must we do madam vice president before the global moral strategic leadership that our world needs comes how much more global temperature rise must there be before we end the burning of fossil fuels and how much more must sea levels climb in small island developing states before those who profited from the stockpiling of greenhouse gases contribute to the loss and damage that they occasioned rather than asking us to crowd out the fiscal space that we have for development to cure the damage caused by the greed of others and how many more hurricanes must destroy locusts devour and islands submerge before we recognize that a hundred billion dollars in adaptation is simply not even enough the answer madam vice president is that we are waiting for urgent global moral strategic leadership how many more crises must hit before we see an international system that stops dividing us and starts to lift us up how many more times must people come to this podium and speak about the plight of the people of cuba and haiti and see very little being done to lift the floor of social development to give those people the right to pursue legitimate ambitions how many more how many more crises and natural disasters before we see that all conventions of aid mean that assistance does not reach those who need it most and those who are most vulnerable and how much wealthier must tech firms get the top five tech firms have a market capitalization of 9.3 trillion i didn’t say billion trillion dollars how much more wealthier must they get before we worry about the fact that so few of us have access to data and knowledge and that our children are being deprived of the tools that they need in order to be able to participate in online education the answer madam vice president is that we have the means to give every child on this planet a tablet and we have the means to give every adult a vaccine and we have the means to invest in protecting the most vulnerable on our planet from a change in climate but we choose not to it is not because we do not have enough it is because we do not have the will to distribute that which we have and it is also because regrettably the faceless few do not fear the consequences sufficiently how many more leaders must come to this podium and not be heard before they stop coming how many times must we address an empty hall of officials in an institution that was intended to be made for leaders to discuss with leaders the advancement necessary to prevent another great war or any of the other great challenges of our humanity how many more times will we stand idly by and see women of color and men of color and women period be attacked at the leadership of international organizations disproportionately and yes how many more times must the great needs be met simply by nice words and not have before us the opportunity to see the good will that is necessary to prevent nationalism and militarism the answer madam president is that this age dangerously resembles that of a century ago a time when we were on the eve of the great depression on a time when we fought a similar pandemic and a time when fascism and populism and nationalism led to the decimation of populations through actions that are too horrendous for us to even contemplate our world knows not what it is gambling with and if we don’t control this fire it will burn us all down as i said two years ago this is not science fiction we heard the secretary general make the same comment on tuesday morning this is our reality it is not science fiction and if the truth be told the secretary general’s speech said it all but who will stand in here and support him to give him the mandate and our institutions be it the who the imf or the world bank or the regional development banks or the development institutions who will give them the mandate to go forward if we continue to refuse to summon the political will to confront what we know we must confront i ask us who in here will sign the new charter a new charter for the 21st century that is appropriate for not the next 75 because the world in which we live moves too quickly but let us try for the next 25 years to meet the needs of a 21st century not the needs of the middle of the 20th century on the aftermath of a world war that none of us can really relate to today in the words of robert nestor marley who will get up and stand up who will get up and stand up for the rights of our people who will stand up in the name of all those who have died during this awful pandemic the millions who will stand up in the name of all those who have died because of the climate crisis or who will stand up for these small island developing states who need 1.5 degrees to survive as we go to cop26 who who will stand up not with a little token but with real progress and who will stand up for all in our countries who remain and suffer the indignity of unemployment and underemployment and whose access to food is now compromised by increased food prices and increased transportation prices and transportation quite frankly that is being manipulated it is not beyond us to solve this problem if we can find the will to send people to the moon and solve male baldness as i’ve said over and over we can solve simple problems like letting our people eat at affordable prices and making sure that we have the transport we have been told that democracy is what matters in our country and democracy is fundamentally an issue of the majority and numbers but why don’t we count who stands up in here and why don’t we take a reckoning for the numbers in here my friends it is against that background that i say to you this is not 1945 with 50 countries this is 2021 with many countries that did not exist in 1945 who must face their people and answer the needs of their people who want to know what is the relevance of an international community that only comes and does not listen to each other that only talks and will not talk with each other it is against this background that i say that our voices must be heard and our voices must matter and today barbados calls at this dangerous fork in the road that the nation states of this assembly and the people of this world must indicate what direction we want our world to go in and not leave it to the faceless few who have worked so hard to prevent the prosperity from being shared that is sufficient in this world and being shared with all of our people i ask you today to support us because we will bring a resolution in plenary to endorse the approach of antonia gutierrez as secretary general when i met with him two days ago i told him we share the same philosophy we want the same destination the only issue is what road we take and what are the obstacles in that road and what are the potholes we must overcome my friends i fear we leave anger in need of another anger one with real engagement and one to secure real progress that is what he called for on tuesday i regret that the token initiatives will not close the gap on monday morning i said to the prime minister of the united kingdom that i was a student in his country and that as we got off the train there would be a pre-recorded message each time that simply said let us my friends not only mind the gap but determine as a global community of nations that numbers matter and that we have the population and the member states to send the signal of the direction that we want our world to go in at this dangerous moment and let us do so with the calm assurance that those who labor in great causes never ultimately fail but we must summon the courage to do it i ask us in the name of our people to find the global moral strategic leadership global because our problems are global moral because we must do the right thing and strategic because we cannot solve every problem of the world but we must solve those within our purview immediately thank you i on behalf of general assembly i wish to thank her excellency miami motley the prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados for her statement and i request protocol to escort her excellency you
Could you summarise that? Wall of text not the best way of communicating information…
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_lDnay3H8
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Could you summarise that? Wall of text not the best way of communicating information…
Sorry, we’re still looking for an automatic sentence breaker punctuator but for now all we’ll say is:
(oh and the first link is to the depicted, a leader of a vulnerable geopolitical division, making a speech to the UN)
SCIENCE said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_lDnay3H8
the assembly will hear an address by her excellency mia amore motley prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados may i request protocol to escort her excellency i have great pleasure in welcoming our excellency mia more motley prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados and i invite her to address the general assembly madam prime minister thank you very much madam vice president please permit me at the outset to congratulate the secretary general antonio gutierrez and the deputy secretary general mohammed on their reappointment as to the post here and also to the election of the president for this 76th general assembly if i use the speech prepared for me to deliver today it would be a repetition a repetition of what you have heard from others and also from me equally how many more times will we then have a situation where we say the same thing over and over and over to come to not my friends we cannot do that anymore and i ask simply that we recall and three years ago when i made my maiden speech i indicated from this very podium and told the international community that the world appeared awfully similar to what it looked like a hundred years ago barbados made that position clear regrettably we have not come to say we told you so but we have come to say that the needle has not moved and that we have not seen sufficient action on behalf of the people of this world i am not here therefore to keep you long today and shall be very very brief how many more variants of kovite 19 must arrive how many more before a worldwide action plan for vaccinations will be implemented how many more deaths must it take before 1.7 billion excess vaccines in the possession of the advanced countries of the world will be shared with those who have simply no access no access to vaccines how much more fake news will we allow to be spread without states defending the public digital space we’ve come together with alacrity to defend the right of states to tax across the digital space but we are not prepared to come together with the same alacrity to defend the rights of our citizens to be duped by fake news in the same digital space and how many more surges must there be before we ask when will the world take action none are safe until all are safe how many more times will we hear that and how much more must we do madam vice president before the global moral strategic leadership that our world needs comes how much more global temperature rise must there be before we end the burning of fossil fuels and how much more must sea levels climb in small island developing states before those who profited from the stockpiling of greenhouse gases contribute to the loss and damage that they occasioned rather than asking us to crowd out the fiscal space that we have for development to cure the damage caused by the greed of others and how many more hurricanes must destroy locusts devour and islands submerge before we recognize that a hundred billion dollars in adaptation is simply not even enough the answer madam vice president is that we are waiting for urgent global moral strategic leadership how many more crises must hit before we see an international system that stops dividing us and starts to lift us up how many more times must people come to this podium and speak about the plight of the people of cuba and haiti and see very little being done to lift the floor of social development to give those people the right to pursue legitimate ambitions how many more how many more crises and natural disasters before we see that all conventions of aid mean that assistance does not reach those who need it most and those who are most vulnerable and how much wealthier must tech firms get the top five tech firms have a market capitalization of 9.3 trillion i didn’t say billion trillion dollars how much more wealthier must they get before we worry about the fact that so few of us have access to data and knowledge and that our children are being deprived of the tools that they need in order to be able to participate in online education the answer madam vice president is that we have the means to give every child on this planet a tablet and we have the means to give every adult a vaccine and we have the means to invest in protecting the most vulnerable on our planet from a change in climate but we choose not to it is not because we do not have enough it is because we do not have the will to distribute that which we have and it is also because regrettably the faceless few do not fear the consequences sufficiently how many more leaders must come to this podium and not be heard before they stop coming how many times must we address an empty hall of officials in an institution that was intended to be made for leaders to discuss with leaders the advancement necessary to prevent another great war or any of the other great challenges of our humanity how many more times will we stand idly by and see women of color and men of color and women period be attacked at the leadership of international organizations disproportionately and yes how many more times must the great needs be met simply by nice words and not have before us the opportunity to see the good will that is necessary to prevent nationalism and militarism the answer madam president is that this age dangerously resembles that of a century ago a time when we were on the eve of the great depression on a time when we fought a similar pandemic and a time when fascism and populism and nationalism led to the decimation of populations through actions that are too horrendous for us to even contemplate our world knows not what it is gambling with and if we don’t control this fire it will burn us all down as i said two years ago this is not science fiction we heard the secretary general make the same comment on tuesday morning this is our reality it is not science fiction and if the truth be told the secretary general’s speech said it all but who will stand in here and support him to give him the mandate and our institutions be it the who the imf or the world bank or the regional development banks or the development institutions who will give them the mandate to go forward if we continue to refuse to summon the political will to confront what we know we must confront i ask us who in here will sign the new charter a new charter for the 21st century that is appropriate for not the next 75 because the world in which we live moves too quickly but let us try for the next 25 years to meet the needs of a 21st century not the needs of the middle of the 20th century on the aftermath of a world war that none of us can really relate to today in the words of robert nestor marley who will get up and stand up who will get up and stand up for the rights of our people who will stand up in the name of all those who have died during this awful pandemic the millions who will stand up in the name of all those who have died because of the climate crisis or who will stand up for these small island developing states who need 1.5 degrees to survive as we go to cop26 who who will stand up not with a little token but with real progress and who will stand up for all in our countries who remain and suffer the indignity of unemployment and underemployment and whose access to food is now compromised by increased food prices and increased transportation prices and transportation quite frankly that is being manipulated it is not beyond us to solve this problem if we can find the will to send people to the moon and solve male baldness as i’ve said over and over we can solve simple problems like letting our people eat at affordable prices and making sure that we have the transport we have been told that democracy is what matters in our country and democracy is fundamentally an issue of the majority and numbers but why don’t we count who stands up in here and why don’t we take a reckoning for the numbers in here my friends it is against that background that i say to you this is not 1945 with 50 countries this is 2021 with many countries that did not exist in 1945 who must face their people and answer the needs of their people who want to know what is the relevance of an international community that only comes and does not listen to each other that only talks and will not talk with each other it is against this background that i say that our voices must be heard and our voices must matter and today barbados calls at this dangerous fork in the road that the nation states of this assembly and the people of this world must indicate what direction we want our world to go in and not leave it to the faceless few who have worked so hard to prevent the prosperity from being shared that is sufficient in this world and being shared with all of our people i ask you today to support us because we will bring a resolution in plenary to endorse the approach of antonia gutierrez as secretary general when i met with him two days ago i told him we share the same philosophy we want the same destination the only issue is what road we take and what are the obstacles in that road and what are the potholes we must overcome my friends i fear we leave anger in need of another anger one with real engagement and one to secure real progress that is what he called for on tuesday i regret that the token initiatives will not close the gap on monday morning i said to the prime minister of the united kingdom that i was a student in his country and that as we got off the train there would be a pre-recorded message each time that simply said let us my friends not only mind the gap but determine as a global community of nations that numbers matter and that we have the population and the member states to send the signal of the direction that we want our world to go in at this dangerous moment and let us do so with the calm assurance that those who labor in great causes never ultimately fail but we must summon the courage to do it i ask us in the name of our people to find the global moral strategic leadership global because our problems are global moral because we must do the right thing and strategic because we cannot solve every problem of the world but we must solve those within our purview immediately thank you i on behalf of general assembly i wish to thank her excellency miami motley the prime minister minister for national security and the civil service and minister for finance economic affairs and investment of barbados for her statement and i request protocol to escort her excellency you
TL;DR
fk can’t believe we forgot this reverse psychology thing, reminded by example below
we mean everyone laughs but replace “Libs” with “CHINA” and “Trump Fans” with “privileged fuckwits” and “vaccine refusal” with “Loving The Economy Must Grow More Than Life Itself” and “not getting vaccinated” with “not trying to eliminate the virus” and oh wait well which western wanker wouldn’t want to die to own the communists
imagine being able to protect your 5 to 11 year olds in a couple of months but instead insisting on mass infecting them in 1.5 months because can’t wait
communist
we mean let’s be fair, they’ve done 82% so that’s them
since Australia is going for 70% that’s a completely different experiment, and it’ll be different for us, we have no idea what might happen, nobody can tell the future, but it will be better obviously
These bleeding heart libtard so-called experts are forcing Rupert to roll his eyes. That’s cruelty towards the elderly.
SCIENCE said:
we’ren’t there right now so probably just stories but some say
Here We Go Again
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/new-locally-acquired-covid-case-in-brisbane/100495896
Queensland has recorded a case of COVID-19 in the community, with the source of the infection so far a mystery. Queensland Health said the man was in his 30s and worked in aviation. The man had not travelled interstate or overseas recently.
The thing about aviation workers is that even if they don’t go overseas, or interstate, they come into contact with people that have…
SCIENCE said:
Here We Go Againhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/new-locally-acquired-covid-case-in-brisbane/100495896
Queensland has recorded a case of COVID-19 in the community, with the source of the infection so far a mystery. Queensland Health said the man was in his 30s and worked in aviation. The man had not travelled interstate or overseas recently.
Putting on my Sherlock hat and Columbo raincoat… I reckon he’s come into contact with someone who has.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
we mean who would want to live in poverty for that long anyway
That graph does show that the US health-care system needs and overhaul.
What, are you suggesting that the US should bring in…bring in…(i can hardly force myself to say it)…socialised medicine?!!.
What are you, boy, some kind of commie subversive? Just look at that graph. You know what all those countries with their long life expectancies have in common? Socialised medicine, that’s what! Yeah, the goddamn government interfering with your freedom when it come to your health care!
Give me one good reason why my taxes should help pay for some poor person’s health care. I mean, apart from an overall significant increase in whole-population life-expectancy because of timely intervention for conditions that shorten peoples’ live and/or complicate other preventable or curable conditions which would otherwise go untreated because of financial disadvantage, leading to an increased standard of living for the broader population and a lower crime rate as people aren’t reduced to desperate measures.
Apart from that.
don’t worry we’ve found the perfect final solution
https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/act-status-and-response/the-acts-pathway-forward/acts-pathway-forward
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Here We Go Againhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-27/new-locally-acquired-covid-case-in-brisbane/100495896
Queensland has recorded a case of COVID-19 in the community, with the source of the infection so far a mystery. Queensland Health said the man was in his 30s and worked in aviation. The man had not travelled interstate or overseas recently.
Putting on my Sherlock hat and Columbo raincoat… I reckon he’s come into contact with someone who has.
Fair chance, I’d reckon.
6 cases in Qld in the last 24hrs
I feel like a lockdown is inevitable
diddly-squat said:
6 cases in Qld in the last 24hrs
I feel like a lockdown is inevitable
The influx of the disease to Qld is, and always was, inevitable.
The Qld govt has been trying to buy as much time as possible for the vaccination programme, and haven’t done badly at that.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:6 cases in Qld in the last 24hrs
I feel like a lockdown is inevitable
The influx of the disease to Qld is, and always was, inevitable.
The Qld govt has been trying to buy as much time as possible for the vaccination programme, and haven’t done badly at that.
I completely agree, I was just hoping we would get away without a lockdown because, personally, I need to travel interstate in a few weeks and this will put the breaks on that
I just wish we were further along with vax rates up here
diddly-squat said:
6 cases in Qld in the last 24hrs
I feel like a lockdown is inevitable
Two were in hotel quarantine. Four in the community.
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:6 cases in Qld in the last 24hrs
I feel like a lockdown is inevitable
Two were in hotel quarantine. Four in the community.
…… and isn’t one an airline worker that hasn’t been anywhere?
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:6 cases in Qld in the last 24hrs
I feel like a lockdown is inevitable
Two were in hotel quarantine. Four in the community.
…… and isn’t one an airline worker that hasn’t been anywhere?
Yes.
And his wife
And a truck driver (infection for 7 days) who has stayed in three separate lodgings.
And one person 5 days after hotel quarantine was completed.
Anti-vaxxers stoop low. Bar-stewards.
“A judge hearing legal challenges to mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for frontline workers has told the NSW Supreme Court he has been bombarded with messages from people trying to interfere in the administration of justice.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/vaccination-legal-challenge-judge-bombarded-by-messages/100496492
Michael V said:
Anti-vaxxers stoop low. Bar-stewards.“A judge hearing legal challenges to mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for frontline workers has told the NSW Supreme Court he has been bombarded with messages from people trying to interfere in the administration of justice.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/vaccination-legal-challenge-judge-bombarded-by-messages/100496492
It’s one of the tools that activist groups use these days.
They share the email address and phone number of a protagonist and tell their supporters to bombard them
Michael V said:
Anti-vaxxers stoop low. Bar-stewards.“A judge hearing legal challenges to mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for frontline workers has told the NSW Supreme Court he has been bombarded with messages from people trying to interfere in the administration of justice.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/vaccination-legal-challenge-judge-bombarded-by-messages/100496492
Proberlee Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly doin’ it.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Anti-vaxxers stoop low. Bar-stewards.“A judge hearing legal challenges to mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for frontline workers has told the NSW Supreme Court he has been bombarded with messages from people trying to interfere in the administration of justice.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/vaccination-legal-challenge-judge-bombarded-by-messages/100496492
Proberlee Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly doin’ it.
We already know those two are Bar-stewards and liars.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Anti-vaxxers stoop low. Bar-stewards.“A judge hearing legal challenges to mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for frontline workers has told the NSW Supreme Court he has been bombarded with messages from people trying to interfere in the administration of justice.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/vaccination-legal-challenge-judge-bombarded-by-messages/100496492
Proberlee Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly doin’ it.
We already know those two are Bar-stewards and liars.
This was posted today on the ABC.
As of yesterday 10.68 million Australians were fully vaccinated.
How did they get those last three numbers?
Peak Warming Man said:
This was posted today on the ABC.
As of yesterday 10.68 million Australians were fully vaccinated.
How did they get those last three numbers?
By dodginess.
Peak Warming Man said:
This was posted today on the ABC.
As of yesterday 10.68 million Australians were fully vaccinated.
How did they get those last three numbers?
Across NSW, 85.7 per cent of the over-16 population has received a first dose of COVID-19 vaccine, and 60.4 per cent are fully vaccinated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/berejiklian-defied-doherty-modelling-on-unvaccinated-freedoms/100496220
So maybe someone fucked up.
sibeen said:
So maybe someone fucked up.
yeah imagine if WAQLDVIC did something like that
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Anti-vaxxers stoop low. Bar-stewards.
“A judge hearing legal challenges to mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for frontline workers has told the NSW Supreme Court he has been bombarded with messages from people trying to interfere in the administration of justice.”
Proberlee Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly doin’ it.
We already know those two are Bar-stewards and liars.
There is no shortage of awfuls these days.
don’t forget that they can simply “go through the appropriate channels” and stack the courts and then your interference will come from the left
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
This was posted today on the ABC.
As of yesterday 10.68 million Australians were fully vaccinated.
How did they get those last three numbers?
Across NSW, 85.7 per cent of the over-16 population has received a first dose of COVID-19 vaccine, and 60.4 per cent are fully vaccinated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/berejiklian-defied-doherty-modelling-on-unvaccinated-freedoms/100496220
So maybe someone fucked up.
She changed her name to Notgladys
The snap lockdown was linked to a crew member connected to reality show “I’m a washed up celebrity desperate for attention or work as if I was actually a celebrity I wouldn’t have time to be on this show so please don’t Get Me Out of Here as then I can’t eat “who travelled from Sydney and allegedly breached public health orders.
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
buffy said:
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
Hmm, good point. Does anybody here know?
sibeen said:
buffy said:
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
Hmm, good point. Does anybody here know?
It’s alright, it was a seniors moment. It’s checking for the antigen – the virus particle – not the antibody.
:)
buffy said:
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
An antigen is the disease agent itself, for covid the antigen is the virus. An antibody is the protein that binds to the antigen that allows your immune system to identify and kill the virus.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
Hmm, good point. Does anybody here know?
It’s alright, it was a seniors moment. It’s checking for the antigen – the virus particle – not the antibody.
:)
Ahh, good, someone here does know :)
Police check-in on beachgoers as Victoria enjoys last day of sunshine for a while
Police officers and ADF personnel have been seen stopping cars in the Great Ocean Road town of Anglesea today to check where they are from, as Victoria basks in one of its last sunny days expected for some time.
Some restrictions in Victoria ease tomorrow, but heavy rain is forecast for much of the state for the next few days.
While the ‘ring of steel’ approach used during last year’s second wave has been dispensed with, police have been performing roaming spot checks, which today included the coastal town which is usually a popular day trip for many Melburnians.
The regions remain off limit to Melburnians until 80 per cent of the 16+ aged population has been fully vaccinated.
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Now I want to know how many people copped a fine for being in Anglesea when they shouldn’t have left Melbourne…
sibeen said:
buffy said:
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
Hmm, good point. Does anybody here know?
Maybe they are for people who haven’t or can’t be vaccinated.
buffy said:
Police check-in on beachgoers as Victoria enjoys last day of sunshine for a whilePolice officers and ADF personnel have been seen stopping cars in the Great Ocean Road town of Anglesea today to check where they are from, as Victoria basks in one of its last sunny days expected for some time.
Some restrictions in Victoria ease tomorrow, but heavy rain is forecast for much of the state for the next few days.
While the ‘ring of steel’ approach used during last year’s second wave has been dispensed with, police have been performing roaming spot checks, which today included the coastal town which is usually a popular day trip for many Melburnians.
The regions remain off limit to Melburnians until 80 per cent of the 16+ aged population has been fully vaccinated.
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Now I want to know how many people copped a fine for being in Anglesea when they shouldn’t have left Melbourne…
Just went up to the shops and passed one of the local parks in Essendon. It was chockers.
Today’s figures. Not as good as the last few days but still reasonable. .
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
I may be having a seniors moment here….but if I’m vaccinated, I have antigens in my system. So what point is there in testing for them with a rapid antigen test?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/what-is-home-covid-test-kit-australia-where-to-buy-cost/100496924
Hmm, good point. Does anybody here know?
Maybe they are for people who haven’t or can’t be vaccinated.
Sorry everybody for the blind sidetrack…
is this right?
https://www.tiktok.com/@rocketvalentino/video/7012846843889601794
sarahs mum said:
is this right?https://www.tiktok.com/@rocketvalentino/video/7012846843889601794
I’m guessing he mispoke.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
is this right?https://www.tiktok.com/@rocketvalentino/video/7012846843889601794
I’m guessing he mispoke.
Or maybe the figures are correct, and the unvaccinated people didn’t get a mention because they’re all DEAD.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
is this right?https://www.tiktok.com/@rocketvalentino/video/7012846843889601794
I’m guessing he mispoke.
Or maybe the figures are correct, and the unvaccinated people didn’t get a mention because they’re all DEAD.
We’ll have to wait and see what’s on the front of the ‘Herald Sun’ tomorrow I guess…
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
is this right?https://www.tiktok.com/@rocketvalentino/video/7012846843889601794
I’m guessing he mispoke.
Or maybe the figures are correct, and the unvaccinated people didn’t get a mention because they’re all DEAD.
It’s margaret’s offering to me today.
I did watch Violin MD earlier today. She was EDing in Canada. Single rooms all had two patients in them. She was talking about the PTSD with each wave and now she was on the fourth wave. She was saying vaccinate cause her patients mostly were not.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m guessing he mispoke.
Or maybe the figures are correct, and the unvaccinated people didn’t get a mention because they’re all DEAD.
It’s margaret’s offering to me today.
I did watch Violin MD earlier today. She was EDing in Canada. Single rooms all had two patients in them. She was talking about the PTSD with each wave and now she was on the fourth wave. She was saying vaccinate cause her patients mostly were not.
quick reminder that if we vaccinate 100% of our population then 100% of hospitalised people will be vaccinated people
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:captain_spalding said:
Or maybe the figures are correct, and the unvaccinated people didn’t get a mention because they’re all DEAD.
It’s margaret’s offering to me today.
I did watch Violin MD earlier today. She was EDing in Canada. Single rooms all had two patients in them. She was talking about the PTSD with each wave and now she was on the fourth wave. She was saying vaccinate cause her patients mostly were not.
quick reminder that if we vaccinate 100% of our population then 100% of hospitalised people will be vaccinated people
Well there you go. I wouldn’t have thought of that…
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:It’s margaret’s offering to me today.
I did watch Violin MD earlier today. She was EDing in Canada. Single rooms all had two patients in them. She was talking about the PTSD with each wave and now she was on the fourth wave. She was saying vaccinate cause her patients mostly were not.
quick reminder that if we vaccinate 100% of our population then 100% of hospitalised people will be vaccinated people
Well there you go. I wouldn’t have thought of that…
And i bet that, when that’s the case, the anti-vaxxers make a big deal out of how all of the deaths in hospital were of people who were vaccinated!!!
(Should that have been all in capitals?)
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:captain_spalding said:
Or maybe the figures are correct, and the unvaccinated people didn’t get a mention because they’re all DEAD.
It’s margaret’s offering to me today.
I did watch Violin MD earlier today. She was EDing in Canada. Single rooms all had two patients in them. She was talking about the PTSD with each wave and now she was on the fourth wave. She was saying vaccinate cause her patients mostly were not.
quick reminder that if we vaccinate 100% of our population then 100% of hospitalised people will be vaccinated people
….. and no unvaccinated in hospitial. Just think of that one, anti vaxers.
The End
SCIENCE said:
The End
All thanks to one person in China.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
The End
All thanks to one person in China.
Yeah, Xi Jingping.
Bloody fat-arsed Winnie the Pooh man.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
The End
All thanks to one person in China.
Yeah, Xi Jingping.
Bloody fat-arsed Winnie the Pooh man.
oh are they remote controlling the VIC andor the NSW strategies
Half of children and young people aged nine to 18 are willing or eager to be vaccinated against Covid, a large survey in England suggests.
It is one of the first polls to ask pupils, rather than parents, their views on teenage Covid jabs.
Carried out during the summer term, the responses from more than 27,000 students at 180 schools reveal half would opt to get protected.
More than a third were undecided and just over one in 10 would decline.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58705932
Seems similar to numbers in adults.
SCIENCE said:
Half of children and young people aged nine to 18 are willing or eager to be vaccinated against Covid, a large survey in England suggests.It is one of the first polls to ask pupils, rather than parents, their views on teenage Covid jabs.
Carried out during the summer term, the responses from more than 27,000 students at 180 schools reveal half would opt to get protected.
More than a third were undecided and just over one in 10 would decline.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58705932
Seems similar to numbers in adults.
didn’t see in that page what exactly the questions were, that were asked
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Half of children and young people aged nine to 18 are willing or eager to be vaccinated against Covid, a large survey in England suggests.
It is one of the first polls to ask pupils, rather than parents, their views on teenage Covid jabs.
Carried out during the summer term, the responses from more than 27,000 students at 180 schools reveal half would opt to get protected.
More than a third were undecided and just over one in 10 would decline.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58705932
Seems similar to numbers in adults.
didn’t see in that page what exactly the questions were, that were asked
Are you male or a female?
How old are you?
Is your home rented?
Were both of your parents born in the UK?
Do you think you have had Covid?
About how many hours physical activity or exercise do you do over a whole week (in and out of school, during term-time)
Do you smoke cigarettes (i.e. tobacco, NOT vaping/e-cigarettes)?
Do you use e-cigarettes (vaping)?
About how many hours a day do you usually spend on social media?
How much do you agree with the following statement: I identify with my school community
How often do you feel lonely?
Have you been bullied in the last year?
Revised Children’s Anxiety and Depression Scales (RCADS)
Bird Checklist of Adolescent Paranoia (B-CAP)
For the 2021 OxWell survey, students answered a single question from the Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine Hesitancy Scale]: “Would you take a COVID-19 vaccine (approved for use in the UK) if offered?”. All students had the following six response options with ‘I would describe myself as’:
- Eager to get a COVID-19 vaccine - Willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine - Not bothered about getting a COVID-19 vaccine - Unwilling to get a COVID-19 vaccine - Anti-vaccination for COVID- 19 - Don’t knowA ‘Don’t know what this means’ response option was available for the youngest students, aged 9 to 12 years (school years 5 to 7) which for the purpose of this analysis we coded as part of the ‘don’t know’ category.
We conceptualised and therefore categorised responses to the question on vaccine hesitancy according to how delivery of the vaccination might be informed. We considered ‘eager’ and ‘willing’ responses to be those who would opt-in to taking a vaccination, those who were ‘not bothered’ and ‘don’t know’ as being undecided, and those who responded ‘unwilling’ and ‘anti-vaccination’ as those who would opt-out. We defined vaccine hesitancy as those who would opt-out or were undecided.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
Half of children and young people aged nine to 18 are willing or eager to be vaccinated against Covid, a large survey in England suggests.
It is one of the first polls to ask pupils, rather than parents, their views on teenage Covid jabs.
Carried out during the summer term, the responses from more than 27,000 students at 180 schools reveal half would opt to get protected.
More than a third were undecided and just over one in 10 would decline.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58705932
Seems similar to numbers in adults.
didn’t see in that page what exactly the questions were, that were asked
Are you male or a female?
How old are you?
Is your home rented?
Were both of your parents born in the UK?
Do you think you have had Covid?
About how many hours physical activity or exercise do you do over a whole week (in and out of school, during term-time)
Do you smoke cigarettes (i.e. tobacco, NOT vaping/e-cigarettes)?
Do you use e-cigarettes (vaping)?
About how many hours a day do you usually spend on social media?
How much do you agree with the following statement: I identify with my school community
How often do you feel lonely?
Have you been bullied in the last year?
Revised Children’s Anxiety and Depression Scales (RCADS)
Bird Checklist of Adolescent Paranoia (B-CAP)For the 2021 OxWell survey, students answered a single question from the Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine Hesitancy Scale]: “Would you take a COVID-19 vaccine (approved for use in the UK) if offered?”. All students had the following six response options with ‘I would describe myself as’:
- Eager to get a COVID-19 vaccine - Willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine - Not bothered about getting a COVID-19 vaccine - Unwilling to get a COVID-19 vaccine - Anti-vaccination for COVID- 19 - Don’t knowA ‘Don’t know what this means’ response option was available for the youngest students, aged 9 to 12 years (school years 5 to 7) which for the purpose of this analysis we coded as part of the ‘don’t know’ category.
We conceptualised and therefore categorised responses to the question on vaccine hesitancy according to how delivery of the vaccination might be informed. We considered ‘eager’ and ‘willing’ responses to be those who would opt-in to taking a vaccination, those who were ‘not bothered’ and ‘don’t know’ as being undecided, and those who responded ‘unwilling’ and ‘anti-vaccination’ as those who would opt-out. We defined vaccine hesitancy as those who would opt-out or were undecided.
had a quick look at that, read it properly tomorrow
and thankyou, master science
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:didn’t see in that page what exactly the questions were, that were asked
“Would you take a COVID-19 vaccine (approved for use in the UK) if offered?”
- Eager to get a COVID-19 vaccine
- Willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine
- Not bothered about getting a COVID-19 vaccine
- Unwilling to get a COVID-19 vaccine
- Anti-vaccination for COVID- 19
- Don’t know
had a quick look at that, read it properly tomorrow
and thankyou, master science
here, more specifically
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00424-7/fulltext
refer to “supplementary materials” there
on the other hand this is also your UK apparently
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-58713266
Schools warn about hoax anti-vaccine letters
COVID-19: NHS director alerts parents to fake vaccine consent letters
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-director-alerts-parents-to-fake-vaccine-consent-letters-12420150
and if you bothered to check it all out and got down to here …
… we mean it’s good news right this kind of strategy is going to keep Marketing and Gutless and all their psychopathic Corruption Coalition crowd in power forever
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-02/tasmania-records-new-case-covid-19-in-quarantine/100510260
sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-02/tasmania-records-new-case-covid-19-in-quarantine/100510260
guess that’s why anyone with half a brain cell supports quarantine regardless of opening status
Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
