Tau.Neutrino said:
Is Victoria heading down a dark path after recording more cases than New South Wales over the past few days?
I’m sure they are in for it. At least we have the accumulated knowledge and expertise to deal with it better than we would have if the strain had emerged here first.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Is Victoria heading down a dark path after recording more cases than New South Wales over the past few days?
I’m sure they are in for it. At least we have the accumulated knowledge and expertise to deal with it better than we would have if the strain had emerged here first.
Who is “we”? Victoria is dealing with a NSW delta imported with removalists. I think.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Is Victoria heading down a dark path after recording more cases than New South Wales over the past few days?
I’m sure they are in for it. At least we have the accumulated knowledge and expertise to deal with it better than we would have if the strain had emerged here first.
Who is “we”? Victoria is dealing with a NSW delta imported with removalists. I think.
We being Australia. What I meant was that we are in a better position than India was when Delta emerged.
From abc live:
Sydney’s Redfern Legal Centre says it’s overwhelmed with requests for help from people who insist they have been wrongly issued with fines by police for allegedly breaching COVID health orders.
The latest statistics from Revenue NSW reveal that in July and August more than 28,000 COVID fines were issued.
That’s about 13 times the number of fines issued during the whole of last year.
The legal centre recently sent an open letter to the NSW government — signed by 100 prominent members of the legal, academic and political profession — calling for all wrongly issued fines to be revoked.
The centre’s senior lawyer Samantha Lee said there had been no response and called for the issue to be addressed, saying thousands of innocent people with no means of paying their fines were in distress.
“Our centre has been struggling to keep up with demand to assist people who have been issued with COVID fines and what we are finding is that the majority of people have been issued with a fine unlawfully and what that means is that the police have got it wrong.”
roughbarked said:
From abc live:
Sydney’s Redfern Legal Centre says it’s overwhelmed with requests for help from people who insist they have been wrongly issued with fines by police for allegedly breaching COVID health orders.The latest statistics from Revenue NSW reveal that in July and August more than 28,000 COVID fines were issued.
That’s about 13 times the number of fines issued during the whole of last year.
The legal centre recently sent an open letter to the NSW government — signed by 100 prominent members of the legal, academic and political profession — calling for all wrongly issued fines to be revoked.
The centre’s senior lawyer Samantha Lee said there had been no response and called for the issue to be addressed, saying thousands of innocent people with no means of paying their fines were in distress.
“Our centre has been struggling to keep up with demand to assist people who have been issued with COVID fines and what we are finding is that the majority of people have been issued with a fine unlawfully and what that means is that the police have got it wrong.”
Yeah, well. Almost everybody who receives a fine thinks they are wronged. Most aren’t.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
From abc live:
Sydney’s Redfern Legal Centre says it’s overwhelmed with requests for help from people who insist they have been wrongly issued with fines by police for allegedly breaching COVID health orders.The latest statistics from Revenue NSW reveal that in July and August more than 28,000 COVID fines were issued.
That’s about 13 times the number of fines issued during the whole of last year.
The legal centre recently sent an open letter to the NSW government — signed by 100 prominent members of the legal, academic and political profession — calling for all wrongly issued fines to be revoked.
The centre’s senior lawyer Samantha Lee said there had been no response and called for the issue to be addressed, saying thousands of innocent people with no means of paying their fines were in distress.
“Our centre has been struggling to keep up with demand to assist people who have been issued with COVID fines and what we are finding is that the majority of people have been issued with a fine unlawfully and what that means is that the police have got it wrong.”
Yeah, well. Almost everybody who receives a fine thinks they are wronged. Most aren’t.
Of course.
New Zealand has recorded 45 new community cases of COVID-19 in the past day, a sharp increase compared to the eight infections reported the day before.
Couldn’t hide it any more eh bro ¿
SCIENCE said:
New Zealand has recorded 45 new community cases of COVID-19 in the past day, a sharp increase compared to the eight infections reported the day before.Couldn’t hide it any more eh bro ¿
Nah, cuz.
Victoria has recorded 950 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 and seven further deaths.
“At the moment we think we’ve probably seen some of these cases circulating in the community for about seven days,” he said.
You beauty ¡
NSW recorded 863 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.
Fifteen people died with COVID in the reporting period – it’s the highest daily number ever recorded in the state.
Push them numbers up, time to Let It Rip™ ¡
WA still sitting pretty
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
but but but……….. 11 cases on a boat headed for Fremantle, but.
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
but but but……….. 11 cases on a boat headed for Fremantle, but.
Hopefully no one gets distracted by something shiny and they wander of into the city
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
That wasn’t a gloat, doesn’t take much for it to get out of control, over zealous leader removing restriction too early or what seems to often be the case some moron with the virus doesn’t stay put and infects others.
Cymek said:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
but but but……….. 11 cases on a boat headed for Fremantle, but.
Hopefully no one gets distracted by something shiny and they wander of into the city
in all honestly, the one thing that both Qld and WA need is a good covid scare… probably the one thing that will increase vax rates
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
Woodie said:but but but……….. 11 cases on a boat headed for Fremantle, but.
Hopefully no one gets distracted by something shiny and they wander of into the city
in all honestly, the one thing that both Qld and WA need is a good covid scare… probably the one thing that will increase vax rates
I have an idea for s scare campaign, something like -
TEXT
Breaking rules because your over it?
PICTURE
Then a picture of a N95 mask next to a picture of an ICU oxygen mask
TEXT
Which mask would you prefer to wear.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Is Victoria heading down a dark path after recording more cases than New South Wales over the past few days?
reading that, quote from that page below
“………….Mr Andrews said both states were “working toward the same goal”………….”
I reckon the fair thing to do is to add Victoria’s figures to NSW’s, save all the hoodoo of comparisons
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Is Victoria heading down a dark path after recording more cases than New South Wales over the past few days?
reading that, quote from that page below
“………….Mr Andrews said both states were “working toward the same goal”………….”
I reckon the fair thing to do is to add Victoria’s figures to NSW’s, save all the hoodoo of comparisons
The States are trying slightly different approaches with different restrictions and rules.
This is a very helpful way to see which models are better.
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:Hopefully no one gets distracted by something shiny and they wander of into the city
in all honestly, the one thing that both Qld and WA need is a good covid scare… probably the one thing that will increase vax rates
Not a good idea. Are you of the “The Virus Must Spread” school of thought?
I’ve of the school of thought that is “hesitant people should pull their finger out and go get vaxed as quickly as possible so that people can move freely across borders’.. I’m also of the school of thought that is ‘the virus will eventually become endemic and trying to stop that is a futile exercise’
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Is Victoria heading down a dark path after recording more cases than New South Wales over the past few days?
reading that, quote from that page below
“………….Mr Andrews said both states were “working toward the same goal”………….”
I reckon the fair thing to do is to add Victoria’s figures to NSW’s, save all the hoodoo of comparisons
The States are trying slightly different approaches with different restrictions and rules.
This is a very helpful way to see which models are better.
yeah of course it is, there’s nuance in the rollout of covid
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:in all honestly, the one thing that both Qld and WA need is a good covid scare… probably the one thing that will increase vax rates
Not a good idea. Are you of the “The Virus Must Spread” school of thought?I’ve of the school of thought that is “hesitant people should pull their finger out and go get vaxed as quickly as possible so that people can move freely across borders’.. I’m also of the school of thought that is ‘the virus will eventually become endemic and trying to stop that is a futile exercise’
you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
transition said:
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:Not a good idea. Are you of the “The Virus Must Spread” school of thought?
I’ve of the school of thought that is “hesitant people should pull their finger out and go get vaxed as quickly as possible so that people can move freely across borders’.. I’m also of the school of thought that is ‘the virus will eventually become endemic and trying to stop that is a futile exercise’
you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
I think you are a naïve if you think the virus won’t eventually become endemic in the community.. this not a matter of putting up some sort of white flag, it’s a matter of fact.. the virus is here to stay and the best thing we can do from here is minimise our exposure to its harmful effects by getting vaccinated. This isn’t rocket science..
Cymek said:
Woodie said:
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
but but but……….. 11 cases on a boat headed for Fremantle, but.
Hopefully no one gets distracted by something shiny and they wander of into the city
distracted by the gold standard oh wait it was a pile of shit still wet and glistening in the morning light
yeah “it’s going to stay with communities who want to keep the infection going because they want to keep the infection going” seems a brilliant understanding
transition said:
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:Not a good idea. Are you of the “The Virus Must Spread” school of thought?
I’ve of the school of thought that is “hesitant people should pull their finger out and go get vaxed as quickly as possible so that people can move freely across borders’.. I’m also of the school of thought that is ‘the virus will eventually become endemic and trying to stop that is a futile exercise’
you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
Could be a continuous catch up game, new mutations require tweaked vaccine or a booster
diddly-squat said:
transition said:
diddly-squat said:I’ve of the school of thought that is “hesitant people should pull their finger out and go get vaxed as quickly as possible so that people can move freely across borders’.. I’m also of the school of thought that is ‘the virus will eventually become endemic and trying to stop that is a futile exercise’
you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
I think you are a naïve if you think the virus won’t eventually become endemic in the community.. this not a matter of putting up some sort of white flag, it’s a matter of fact.. the virus is here to stay and the best thing we can do from here is minimise our exposure to its harmful effects by getting vaccinated. This isn’t rocket science..
of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Cymek said:
transition said:
diddly-squat said:I’ve of the school of thought that is “hesitant people should pull their finger out and go get vaxed as quickly as possible so that people can move freely across borders’.. I’m also of the school of thought that is ‘the virus will eventually become endemic and trying to stop that is a futile exercise’
you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
Could be a continuous catch up game, new mutations require tweaked vaccine or a booster
Tell you what else endemic is, it’s misunderstood and misrepresented by a bunch of dudes who want to fuck everyone else over for their own Economy Must Grow.
transition said:
diddly-squat said:
transition said:you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
I think you are a naïve if you think the virus won’t eventually become endemic in the community.. this not a matter of putting up some sort of white flag, it’s a matter of fact.. the virus is here to stay and the best thing we can do from here is minimise our exposure to its harmful effects by getting vaccinated. This isn’t rocket science..
of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Common colds and flu disrupt a lot of businesses.
They have been there all the time.
transition said:
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Pretty sure many hospitals are at 0 staff infections because they have proper masks but nevertheless non urgent care is suspended in NSW, nobody needs non urgent care anyway.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
diddly-squat said:I think you are a naïve if you think the virus won’t eventually become endemic in the community.. this not a matter of putting up some sort of white flag, it’s a matter of fact.. the virus is here to stay and the best thing we can do from here is minimise our exposure to its harmful effects by getting vaccinated. This isn’t rocket science..
of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Common colds and flu disrupt a lot of businesses.
They have been there all the time.
that could be the dumbest thing i’ve read today
Tau.Neutrino said:
quote]Common colds and flu disrupt a lot of businesses.
They have been there all the time.
Wait wait so what you’re saying is that controlling “common colds and flu” would help The Economy Must Grow far more than Letting Everything Rip like they always ripped¿
SCIENCE said:
transition said:what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Pretty sure many hospitals are at 0 staff infections because they have proper masks but nevertheless non urgent care is suspended in NSW, nobody needs non urgent care anyway.
Is there a chart for COVID infections for hospital staff across all of Australia?
SCIENCE said:
transition said:what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Pretty sure many hospitals are at 0 staff infections because they have proper masks but nevertheless non urgent care is suspended in NSW, nobody needs non urgent care anyway.
that’s the point, you see what’s requires for medical staff, to avoid infection, or transmitting it
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
quote]Common colds and flu disrupt a lot of businesses.
They have been there all the time.
Wait wait so what you’re saying is that controlling “common colds and flu” would help The Economy Must Grow far more than Letting Everything Rip like they always ripped¿
No, Im saying common colds and flu are endemic and have disrupted businesses.
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
Common colds and flu disrupt a lot of businesses.
They have been there all the time.
that could be the dumbest thing i’ve read today
Why?
Common colds and flu and already endemic.
Is there a chart for COVID infections for hospital staff across all of Australia?
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
That wasn’t a gloat, doesn’t take much for it to get out of control, over zealous leader removing restriction too early or what seems to often be the case some moron with the virus doesn’t stay put and infects others.
Never underestimate the selfishness of others…
Melbourne men allegedly used false documents to enter WA, attend AFL grand final in Perth
SCIENCE said:
yeah “it’s going to stay with communities who want to keep the infection going because they want to keep the infection going” seems a brilliant understanding
yeah.. just like how communities who what to keep the the flu infection do.. you are a clown
transition said:
diddly-squat said:
transition said:you sound like Borg
to take the absurdity for a walk for a moment, are you willing to have it endemic among medical services, hospital staff etc, because if you’re not then the question that might follow is why would you accept it as endemic in the broader community
I think you are a naïve if you think the virus won’t eventually become endemic in the community.. this not a matter of putting up some sort of white flag, it’s a matter of fact.. the virus is here to stay and the best thing we can do from here is minimise our exposure to its harmful effects by getting vaccinated. This isn’t rocket science..
of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
what are you even talking about?
the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:
yeah “it’s going to stay with communities who want to keep the infection going because they want to keep the infection going” seems a brilliant understanding
yeah.. just like how communities who what to keep the the flu infection do.. you are a clown
pardon what is sense in there
diddly-squat said:
transition said:
diddly-squat said:I think you are a naïve if you think the virus won’t eventually become endemic in the community.. this not a matter of putting up some sort of white flag, it’s a matter of fact.. the virus is here to stay and the best thing we can do from here is minimise our exposure to its harmful effects by getting vaccinated. This isn’t rocket science..
of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
what are you even talking about?
caring about others
diddly-squat said:
the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
What if a doomsday cult of isolationist inbreed hillbillies is infected come out of hiding as they think they world has ended and they want the spoils and re-infect the wider community
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
and how do you plan for this to happen.. exactly?
how will NSW and VIC become ‘free of virus’ and the rest of the world, what of them?.. what do we do with OS travellers? do we continue to get them to quarantine in hotels for 2 weeks upon arrival?
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
and how do you plan for this to happen.. exactly?
how will NSW and VIC become ‘free of virus’ and the rest of the world, what of them?.. what do we do with OS travellers? do we continue to get them to quarantine in hotels for 2 weeks upon arrival?
That is the thing isn’t, do we isolate people and shut down society for every outbreak which could continue for many years.
If so many business will go broke and people will loose their shit and riot
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
transition said:of course i’m naive, admittedly, save pretensions to cleverness
what level of infections (disruption) would you tolerate among medical staff, within hospitals say
how hostile an environment would you let the hospital setting (paramedics included) become, to accommodate an unspecified endemic level in the broader community
what are you even talking about?
caring about others
largely the problem has been shifted to hospitals, who have have been somewhat forcibly committed (of people in medicine, probably contrary to their better judgement, many of them) to forever covid
likely result in burnout, low job satisfaction, attrition, and more generalized disruption or distortions to broader medical services delivery
There is a term used in aged-care settings called the ‘dignity of risk’. Basically it’s concerned with letting people of sound mind takes risks with their health if that it their informed choice. An example might be letting someone at risk of falling live in the community until they themselves feel the risk is too great outside of an aged-care home.
It also applies to the broader health choices of the community at large and is pertinent during this pandemic. If once everyone who chooses to (including children) have received their vaccinatuions it’s within the right of the majority to open up the country and bear the subsequent risks of the unvaccinated or break-through cases in the vaccinated getting very sick or dying. Really the only consideration should be that the health system doesn’t get overwhelmed and risk people dying because a place in hospital wasn’t available be that for covid patients or others who need intensive care.
Obviously there’s not going to be a referendum on opening up but spirited debate in the media and in state and federal parliament will hopefully lead to an opening up timetable for society that is broadly supported by the community even if that involves different outcomes in different states etc
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
What if a doomsday cult of isolationist inbreed hillbillies is infected come out of hiding as they think they world has ended and they want the spoils and re-infect the wider community
you mean like what just happened in Auckland then
I’m still stalking Sweden. They’ve dropped another couple of places on the deaths/million table in the last couple of days. Down at 45 now and about to be overtaken by South Africa and Latvia, probably in the next couple of days. So for those further down this thread wanting comparisons, they have around a thousand new cases a day at the moment and deaths have been less than 10 a day since early June.
It looks to me that their non closing of primary schools last year probably means quite a lot of the children had low to no symptom episodes of COVID19, and this in combination with their vaccination levels puts them in a place where there are cases, but not so many deaths. Yes, they had deaths at the beginning last year, when it got into the nursing homes, before there was much knowledge. But in the long term I suspect they aren’t going to end up looking all that bad. Africa looks like it’s about to blow.
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
and how do you plan for this to happen.. exactly?
how will NSW and VIC become ‘free of virus’ and the rest of the world, what of them?.. what do we do with OS travellers? do we continue to get them to quarantine in hotels for 2 weeks upon arrival?
so what you’re saying is that you don’t believe “hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus” but you’re throwing it out there to try to appease someone, anyone
meanwhile hoping that The Economy Must Grow less than if we went and killed off the virus in the first place
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
What if a doomsday cult of isolationist inbreed hillbillies is infected come out of hiding as they think they world has ended and they want the spoils and re-infect the wider community
you mean like what just happened in Auckland then
Is that what happened
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
and how do you plan for this to happen.. exactly?
how will NSW and VIC become ‘free of virus’ and the rest of the world, what of them?.. what do we do with OS travellers? do we continue to get them to quarantine in hotels for 2 weeks upon arrival?
That is the thing isn’t, do we isolate people and shut down society for every outbreak which could continue for many years.
If so many business will go broke and people will loose their shit and riot
imagine actually trying to control all outbreaks everywhere so that no new outbreaks get seeded just imagine that for a moment
hint: the businesses that don’t go broke will be the ones who can survive a pandemic, a kind of economic herd immunity if you like, the ones that went broke probably all had pre-existing conditions anyway
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
What if a doomsday cult of isolationist inbreed hillbillies is infected come out of hiding as they think they world has ended and they want the spoils and re-infect the wider community
you mean like what just happened in Auckland then
Is that what happened
we’ren’t there so we couldn’t tell you for sure but is there a better explanation
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
and how do you plan for this to happen.. exactly?
how will NSW and VIC become ‘free of virus’ and the rest of the world, what of them?.. what do we do with OS travellers? do we continue to get them to quarantine in hotels for 2 weeks upon arrival?
so what you’re saying is that you don’t believe “hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus” but you’re throwing it out there to try to appease someone, anyone
meanwhile hoping that The Economy Must Grow less than if we went and killed off the virus in the first place
in this context, ‘with time’ means many years, to possibly a decade or more
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:and how do you plan for this to happen.. exactly?
how will NSW and VIC become ‘free of virus’ and the rest of the world, what of them?.. what do we do with OS travellers? do we continue to get them to quarantine in hotels for 2 weeks upon arrival?
That is the thing isn’t, do we isolate people and shut down society for every outbreak which could continue for many years.
If so many business will go broke and people will loose their shit and riot
imagine actually trying to control all outbreaks everywhere so that no new outbreaks get seeded just imagine that for a moment
hint: the businesses that don’t go broke will be the ones who can survive a pandemic, a kind of economic herd immunity if you like, the ones that went broke probably all had pre-existing conditions anyway
this is almost the most stupid thing you have said.. so tourism or the entire arts sector has a ‘pre-exiting condition’ that excludes them from being viable businesses?.
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:That is the thing isn’t, do we isolate people and shut down society for every outbreak which could continue for many years.
If so many business will go broke and people will loose their shit and riot
imagine actually trying to control all outbreaks everywhere so that no new outbreaks get seeded just imagine that for a moment
hint: the businesses that don’t go broke will be the ones who can survive a pandemic, a kind of economic herd immunity if you like, the ones that went broke probably all had pre-existing conditions anyway
this is almost the most stupid thing you have said.. so tourism or the entire arts sector has a ‘pre-exiting condition’ that excludes them from being viable businesses?.
Fair call; the actual most stupid thing we will have said today is* something we’ll come back to.
But yes, only people with pre-existing conditions die of COVID-19 and similarly tourism that involves burning shitloads of prehistoric life and releasing fuckloads of pollution has a pre-existing ecological condition that makes them in actual cost terms unviable.
And because arts that involve experiences that aren’t close-contact face-to-face experiences aren’t arts, we also agree.
*: we agree with diddly-squat**
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
the most stupid thing about this discussion is the binary position people like to pose (either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth.. it’s just a moronic position)… even with 100% vaccination and the use of public health directives (like social distancing and mask wearing) there will still be infection, and there will still be people who die.. This is a very sad reality but hopefully with time and research we can reduce this risk and maybe even eliminate the virus.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is open up in a way the minimises the risk of large scale illness which would result in an overloading of our health services.
absolutely correct, get free of virus, and you get minimal risk with maximal opening
*: we agree with diddly-squat**
**: in that the binary position is completely and utterly wrong, there is no “either you are for public safety or you are for economic growth..” it’s absolutely just a moronic position, because the correct and obvious position is that public safety is the same goal as economic growth, public safety brings with it economic growth
but thanks for agreeing
Success.
Creswick has another ATM at The Bendigo Bank, I tried that and it had money in it.
Bought bread and a pie at a non eptpos shop.
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:imagine actually trying to control all outbreaks everywhere so that no new outbreaks get seeded just imagine that for a moment
hint: the businesses that don’t go broke will be the ones who can survive a pandemic, a kind of economic herd immunity if you like, the ones that went broke probably all had pre-existing conditions anyway
this is almost the most stupid thing you have said.. so tourism or the entire arts sector has a ‘pre-exiting condition’ that excludes them from being viable businesses?.
Fair call; the actual most stupid thing we will have said today is* something we’ll come back to.
But yes, only people with pre-existing conditions die of COVID-19 and similarly tourism that involves burning shitloads of prehistoric life and releasing fuckloads of pollution has a pre-existing ecological condition that makes them in actual cost terms unviable.
And because arts that involve experiences that aren’t close-contact face-to-face experiences aren’t arts, we also agree.
*: we agree with diddly-squat**
Tourism is likely to become a redundant industry, lets go to some semi pristine wilderness in large numbers, stress the shit out of it until it collapses or at least isn’t nice looking anymore.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Success.
Creswick has another ATM at The Bendigo Bank, I tried that and it had money in it.
Bought bread and a pie at a non eptpos shop.
anyway one from the alarmists
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
Cymek said:
Tourism is likely to become a redundant industry, lets go to some semi pristine wilderness in large numbers, stress the shit out of it until it collapses or at least isn’t nice looking anymore.
from our purely selfish standpoint let us tell you just how much nicer all the touristy things we’ve done over the past 2 years have been without the crowds of crazies
in contrast, local walks have been fucked* by the swarm of local not-usually-out-walking crowd and definitely less pleasant
*: nah we’re just being crude, there have definitely been more people and more trash (and often they are one and the same) but mostly still nice
Queensland today
I went to MyGov today & downloaded my vaccination certificate. I’d forgotten that I’d had the Diptheria & Tetanus ones in 2000.
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Success.
Creswick has another ATM at The Bendigo Bank, I tried that and it had money in it.
Bought bread and a pie at a non eptpos shop.
anyway one from the alarmists
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
this one is probably a Russian Disinformation Bot making spurious claims about how healthcare copes nicely
https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/1442806675325476867
The Tas Premier, the chap with the excellent first name, hardly says boo, he’ll occasionally hold a presser when he has something to say otherwise there’s not an ounce of media tart in him.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Tas Premier, the chap with the excellent first name, hardly says boo, he’ll occasionally hold a presser when he has something to say otherwise there’s not an ounce of media tart in him.
We are having new modelling because the modelling is shit. And Tassie residents don’t live on top of one another so the risks are different anyway.
Don’t expect to open up anytime soon. Wait and watch NSW and Vic fuck up he says. Perhaps we will open up next year.
Tamb said:
Queensland today
I went to MyGov today & downloaded my vaccination certificate. I’d forgotten that I’d had the Diptheria & Tetanus ones in 2000.
I don’t have a MyGov account.
Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from Covid.
Does anyone know the figure for Unvaccinated people with Asthma?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Thanks, actually not too bad a summary this time, any particular bits you wanted to draw attention to ¿
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Thanks, actually not too bad a summary this time, any particular bits you wanted to draw attention to ¿
I’m happy with the article, these bits were interesting:
Delta has an R0 of 5-8, meaning one infected person passes it onto five to eight others, on average.
This compares with an R0 of 1.5-3 for the original strain.
So Delta is twice to five times as contagious as the virus that circulated in 2020.
As the virus replicates, the viral load increases. For Delta, the viral load is up to roughly 1,200 times higher than the original strain.
Can one take all three vaccines?
Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can one take all three vaccines?Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Why would you?
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Thanks, actually not too bad a summary this time, any particular bits you wanted to draw attention to ¿
I’m happy with the article, these bits were interesting:
Delta has an R0 of 5-8, meaning one infected person passes it onto five to eight others, on average.
This compares with an R0 of 1.5-3 for the original strain.
So Delta is twice to five times as contagious as the virus that circulated in 2020.
As the virus replicates, the viral load increases. For Delta, the viral load is up to roughly 1,200 times higher than the original strain.
>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can one take all three vaccines?Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Why would you?
Variety is the spice of life.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can one take all three vaccines?Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Why would you?
Same reason for taking a double dose.
Extra protection.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can one take all three vaccines?Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Mixing COVID vaccines could result in stronger immune response.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/mixing-covid-vaccines-could-result-in-stronger-imm
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can one take all three vaccines?Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Why would you?
Variety is the spice of life.
Ah well, if that’s the aim, you should also contract the virus itself.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:Thanks, actually not too bad a summary this time, any particular bits you wanted to draw attention to ¿
I’m happy with the article, these bits were interesting:
Delta has an R0 of 5-8, meaning one infected person passes it onto five to eight others, on average.
This compares with an R0 of 1.5-3 for the original strain.
So Delta is twice to five times as contagious as the virus that circulated in 2020.
As the virus replicates, the viral load increases. For Delta, the viral load is up to roughly 1,200 times higher than the original strain.
>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
The viral loads are different for each strain.
fsm said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can one take all three vaccines?Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna.
Mixing COVID vaccines could result in stronger immune response.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/mixing-covid-vaccines-could-result-in-stronger-imm
Thanks for that link.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m happy with the article, these bits were interesting:
Delta has an R0 of 5-8, meaning one infected person passes it onto five to eight others, on average.
This compares with an R0 of 1.5-3 for the original strain.
So Delta is twice to five times as contagious as the virus that circulated in 2020.
As the virus replicates, the viral load increases. For Delta, the viral load is up to roughly 1,200 times higher than the original strain.
>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
The viral loads are different for each strain.
The viral load will be different for each person, let alone strain. Some bodies incubate better than others.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
The viral loads are different for each strain.
The viral load will be different for each person, let alone strain. Some bodies incubate better than others.
Ok.
How the Delta variant achieves its ultrafast spread
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w
furious said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
WA still sitting pretty
That wasn’t a gloat, doesn’t take much for it to get out of control, over zealous leader removing restriction too early or what seems to often be the case some moron with the virus doesn’t stay put and infects others.
Never underestimate the selfishness of others…
Melbourne men allegedly used false documents to enter WA, attend AFL grand final in Perth
Yeah.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:Thanks, actually not too bad a summary this time, any particular bits you wanted to draw attention to ¿
I’m happy with the article, these bits were interesting:
Delta has an R0 of 5-8, meaning one infected person passes it onto five to eight others, on average.
This compares with an R0 of 1.5-3 for the original strain.
So Delta is twice to five times as contagious as the virus that circulated in 2020.
As the virus replicates, the viral load increases. For Delta, the viral load is up to roughly 1,200 times higher than the original strain.
>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
but but maybe it multiplies by a number between 0 and 1 …
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m happy with the article, these bits were interesting:
Delta has an R0 of 5-8, meaning one infected person passes it onto five to eight others, on average.
This compares with an R0 of 1.5-3 for the original strain.
So Delta is twice to five times as contagious as the virus that circulated in 2020.
As the virus replicates, the viral load increases. For Delta, the viral load is up to roughly 1,200 times higher than the original strain.
>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
but but maybe it multiplies by a number between 0 and 1 …
seasonal flu has an R of ~1.3, neutrino, if what i’m reading is right, since you made a comparison with flu and common colds earlier, as recall
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:>>As the virus replicates, the viral load increases.<<
Seems a bit self evident. If it’s multiplying, stands to reason there is more of it…
but but maybe it multiplies by a number between 0 and 1 …
seasonal flu has an R of ~1.3, neutrino, if what i’m reading is right, since you made a comparison with flu and common colds earlier, as recall
Yes, colds and flu spread in a similar way.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/victorian-health-department-charged-covid-hotel-quarantine/100500624
I can’t help thinking there is a large dose of hindsight going on here.
buffy said:
I can’t help thinking there is a large dose of hindsight going on here.
probably though having proper facilities was an obvious correct solution about 2 incubation periods in
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:When is reporting the upper end of the “credible” confidence interval, corresponding to barely 1.5 times the “central estimate”, a “gross exaggeration” ¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/fact-check-annastacia-palaszczuk-doherty-modelling/100481476
Oh that’s right, when the reporting is done by authorities in a Labor state trying to prevent deaths but instead you want them to Let It Rip™ For The Economy Must Grow® ¡
Oh look they even included the relevant graph in the article ¡
Professor Prokopenko also cautioned that the figure of 80 daily deaths was “near the peak”, and could not be used to calculate the average or the total over a longer period of time.
Wait can any of you show us where the peak is in that graph ¿
“I am not sure why the modelling was stopped after 180 days, and one would not need to guess …”
Hint: does that look like a peak to any of you ¿
Looks like 80 would be a fairly conservative probably underestimate for the peak if that modelling is to be believed.
Note: we don’t think the model really applies but hey, don’t let that stop the pile on.
speaking of pile on
Oh Damn What A Surprise
“On the face of it, the argument in this matter is not particularly meritorious.
On digging deeper, the judgement that it is “misleading” is still full of bullshit as outlined ^ ^^ ^^^.
Why Do Some People Develop Severe COVID Symptoms From Novel Coronavirus?
Nasal microbiota holds clues to who will develop COVID symptoms from novel coronavirus.
more…
I wonder if a nasal spray could be developed for nasal microbiota suited to repelling COVID ?
Does The Left Brain Talk To The Right Brain
Case numbers in western New South Wales have spiked overnight with health authorities blaming increased freedoms for the virus “seeding” further across the region.
then
NSW crisis cabinet has agreed to bring forward the return of face-to-face learning, allowing students to head back to classrooms one week earlier than planned. Students in kindergarten, Years 1 and 12 will now return on October 18. Years 2, 6 and 11 will return on October 25, and remaining grades will return to the classroom on November 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/nsw-school-returns-one-week-earlier/100501974
Oh Wait We Mean Hand / Hand Because Clearly There Is No Brain
SCIENCE said:
Does The Left Brain Talk To The Right BrainCase numbers in western New South Wales have spiked overnight with health authorities blaming increased freedoms for the virus “seeding” further across the region.
then
NSW crisis cabinet has agreed to bring forward the return of face-to-face learning, allowing students to head back to classrooms one week earlier than planned. Students in kindergarten, Years 1 and 12 will now return on October 18. Years 2, 6 and 11 will return on October 25, and remaining grades will return to the classroom on November 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/nsw-school-returns-one-week-earlier/100501974
Oh Wait We Mean Hand / Hand Because Clearly There Is No Brain
sorry quoted the insufficient bit that should be
Does The Left Brain Talk To The Right Brain
Case numbers in western New South Wales have spiked overnight with health authorities blaming increased freedoms for the virus “seeding” further across the region. Health authorities are extremely worried about the spread among school-aged children, as students are set to return to the classroom after the long weekend. Mr McLachlan said he was fearful of cases rising among young people because of their low vaccination rates. “With school going back there’s going to be a lot of opportunity for further spread,” he said.
then
NSW crisis cabinet has agreed to bring forward the return of face-to-face learning, allowing students to head back to classrooms one week earlier than planned. Students in kindergarten, Years 1 and 12 will now return on October 18. Years 2, 6 and 11 will return on October 25, and remaining grades will return to the classroom on November 1.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/nsw-school-returns-one-week-earlier/100501974
Oh Wait We Mean Hand / Hand Because Clearly There Is No Brain
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:what are you even talking about?
caring about others
largely the problem has been shifted to hospitals, who have have been somewhat forcibly committed (of people in medicine, probably contrary to their better judgement, many of them) to forever covid
likely result in burnout, low job satisfaction, attrition, and more generalized disruption or distortions to broader medical services delivery
i’d like to know why some people can’t be pleased (express preference anyway), not even a little bit apparently, of very low levels or zero covid in some States, territories, whatever, seriously i’d ask what motivates that, how could someone not be even a little pleased about less covid, somewhere, even new zealand
surely the drive to vaccinate is to reduce the circulating covid, so no matter by what means, why not be a little pleased that no or less covid is good
what is wrong with some people that they would invite more covid
so i’d guess there are a shitload of people that are glad of (prefer) very low infection levels (including zero, that’s a low number too), but they seem in short supply on the electric rectangle, oddly, it should be odd, should seem odd
We’ve been accused of being Corruption Coalition shills for many a year but we’ll still express respect for wiser decisions than in Communist states.
The Tasmanian Premier has warned that the island state will not reopen its borders to all of the country until it reaches a 90 per cent vaccination rate against COVID-19.
—
Come put that in your Murderoch Pipe and smoke out the fascists then eh¿ What do foreign interferers have to say about that then eh¿
We know that “mainstream media blah dah wah schmah” and reporting bias and selection bias and all that, but
get a load of this sequence, seriously, we’re going to go out on a limb and say there totally is something in this SARS-CoV-2 thing that is burning out people’s frontal lobes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/hayden-burbank-mark-babbage-covid-breach-court/100499808
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/western-sydney-women-plead-guilty-to-breaching-health-orders/100500106
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/illawarra-pair-with-covid-in-wagga-hospital-charged/100501706
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/cfmeu-melbourne-construction-union-covid-exposure-/100500436
all right maybe not the first one, they tested negative but otherwise
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:When is reporting the upper end of the “credible” confidence interval, corresponding to barely 1.5 times the “central estimate”, a “gross exaggeration” ¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-23/fact-check-annastacia-palaszczuk-doherty-modelling/100481476
Oh that’s right, when the reporting is done by authorities in a Labor state trying to prevent deaths but instead you want them to Let It Rip™ For The Economy Must Grow® ¡
Oh look they even included the relevant graph in the article ¡
Professor Prokopenko also cautioned that the figure of 80 daily deaths was “near the peak”, and could not be used to calculate the average or the total over a longer period of time.
Wait can any of you show us where the peak is in that graph ¿
“I am not sure why the modelling was stopped after 180 days, and one would not need to guess …”
Hint: does that look like a peak to any of you ¿
Looks like 80 would be a fairly conservative probably underestimate for the peak if that modelling is to be believed.
Note: we don’t think the model really applies but hey, don’t let that stop the pile on.
speaking of pile on
Oh Damn What A Surprise
“On the face of it, the argument in this matter is not particularly meritorious.
On digging deeper, the judgement that it is “misleading” is still full of bullshit as outlined ^ ^^ ^^^.
I took what the QLD premier to mean, the choice of numbers, was to highlight the losses of freedoms that would be required for such a thing not to happen, to emphasize the costs to freedoms
the other States down south are chucking everything at it, vaccine and restrictions (much of latter been internalized now, of an informal dimension), and it’s not looking real pretty, the impositions
only talking to someone other day, just been to QLD for couple months, was all fairly normal he remarked, also remarked the other nearest State south want to give them covid
Tau.Neutrino said:
“www.miragenews.com”
would it be fair to say that this promising detection method is just on the horizon
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:speaking of pile on
Oh Damn What A Surprise
“On the face of it, the argument in this matter is not particularly meritorious.
On digging deeper, the judgement that it is “misleading” is still full of bullshit as outlined ^ ^^ ^^^.
I took what the QLD premier to mean, the choice of numbers, was to highlight the losses of freedoms that would be required for such a thing not to happen, to emphasize the costs to freedoms
the other States down south are chucking everything at it, vaccine and restrictions (much of latter been internalized now, of an informal dimension), and it’s not looking real pretty, the impositions
only talking to someone other day, just been to QLD for couple months, was all fairly normal he remarked, also remarked the other nearest State south want to give them covid
Inclined to agree.
Our point was that, while the “80 deaths per day” number appeared at the top of the chart that was reported, look again at the chart — it is still on the way up when it cuts off. Where will the peak be¿ Why is the modelling cut off at that point¿ Like every other time before, do we just assume at the cutoff point, it turns around and comes back down¿
If not … then not misleading. At all. Remember all the other alarmists who told us that COVID-19 was going to be a disaster, and apparently when it turned out they were right, some other excuse instead.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:Oh Damn What A Surprise
“On the face of it, the argument in this matter is not particularly meritorious.
On digging deeper, the judgement that it is “misleading” is still full of bullshit as outlined ^ ^^ ^^^.
I took what the QLD premier to mean, the choice of numbers, was to highlight the losses of freedoms that would be required for such a thing not to happen, to emphasize the costs to freedoms
the other States down south are chucking everything at it, vaccine and restrictions (much of latter been internalized now, of an informal dimension), and it’s not looking real pretty, the impositions
only talking to someone other day, just been to QLD for couple months, was all fairly normal he remarked, also remarked the other nearest State south want to give them covid
Inclined to agree.
Our point was that, while the “80 deaths per day” number appeared at the top of the chart that was reported, look again at the chart — it is still on the way up when it cuts off. Where will the peak be¿ Why is the modelling cut off at that point¿ Like every other time before, do we just assume at the cutoff point, it turns around and comes back down¿
If not … then not misleading. At all. Remember all the other alarmists who told us that COVID-19 was going to be a disaster, and apparently when it turned out they were right, some other excuse instead.
I saw something like that in the graphs previous as recall, a way back when had a look, the trend past that point might’ve seemed inconvenient, or maybe the reader is meant to infer from ratios or something
something like…
one person in a lot of twenty getting such and such isn’t so bad, two in forty is the same ratio, four in eighty same, and so on
whatever anyway, didn’t see much in it about respect for zero covid where it were the case, in fact zero covid anywhere seemed inconvenient given the evident project of transition
just my opinion, it was a tedious read what I did read, enough to wear a person down
dv said:
Is Mal heading for another go at PM or something?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Is Mal heading for another go at PM or something?
Don’t know but given plenty of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination in Israel, we would suggest his argument is simplistic at best.
Consider other contributors including but not limited to
.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Is Mal heading for another go at PM or something?
Don’t know but given plenty of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination in Israel, we would suggest his argument is simplistic at best.
Consider other contributors including but not limited to
- quarantine failure
- low (N95+) mask use
- failure to lockdown soonly sharply shortly
- casual noncompliance and active violation of restrictions
- just generally speaking complacency and roentgenium
.
I might add, humor intended, that if Australia had a national policy of elimination, successful, the pandemic wouldn’t be a global pandemic, you’d need call it something else, a part-global pandemic, an incomplete global pandemic maybe
that may seem silly, but is it entirely, perhaps there is a phenomena involving reality becoming the concepts applied, so the concepts become more uniformly and casually true, exceptions get squeezed out of existence, the possibility eventually vanished, not tolerated
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Is Mal heading for another go at PM or something?
If he does, it won’t be with the Libs
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Is Mal heading for another go at PM or something?
Don’t know but given plenty of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination in Israel, we would suggest his argument is simplistic at best.
Consider other contributors including but not limited to
- quarantine failure
- low (N95+) mask use
- failure to lockdown soonly sharply shortly
- casual noncompliance and active violation of restrictions
- just generally speaking complacency and roentgenium
.
I might add, humor intended, that if Australia had a national policy of elimination, successful, the pandemic wouldn’t be a global pandemic, you’d need call it something else, a part-global pandemic, an incomplete global pandemic maybe
that may seem silly, but is it entirely, perhaps there is a phenomena involving reality becoming the concepts applied, so the concepts become more uniformly and casually true, exceptions get squeezed out of existence, the possibility eventually vanished, not tolerated
It’s already just a pan-three-quarters-of-the-world-demic if the ASIANS are to be believed.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Success.
Creswick has another ATM at The Bendigo Bank, I tried that and it had money in it.
Bought bread and a pie at a non eptpos shop.
anyway one from the alarmists
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
this one is probably a Russian Disinformation Bot making spurious claims about how healthcare copes nicely
https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/1442806675325476867
Since we’re playing at numbers let’s go back to the alarmists for a bit,
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
The virus that causes the disease disrupts not just smell and taste, but all the ways humans perceive the world. For some, the loss may be permanent.
It’s easy to take our senses for granted—until there’s a problem with one of them. This is something many people who suffered from COVID-19 discovered when they unexpectedly lost their senses of smell and taste. More recently, though, it has become apparent that a COVID-19 infection can also affect sight, hearing, and touch.
“With COVID-19, most people don’t have a lot of nasal symptoms, and yet smell loss can be fairly severe,” says Justin Turner, an associate professor of otolaryngology-head and neck surgery at Vanderbilt University Medical Center and director of the Vanderbilt Smell and Taste Center. “We believe this stems from damage to sustentacular cells that live way up in the nose and are particularly susceptible to infection by the virus.”
The mechanisms aren’t completely understood, but experts suspect the disease may affect the eustachian tube, which connects the middle ear with the throat. “With any viral infection, you can have eustachian tube dysfunction, which can lead to fluid build-up in the middle ear—this acts as a mechanical dampener on the ear drum,” explains Elias Michaelides, an associate professor of otolaryngology at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.
Still, some doctors are finding that the SARS-CoV-2 virus can increase the risk of blood clots throughout the body, including in blood vessels in the retina, which can cause blurry vision or some degree of vision loss, explains Julia A. Haller, ophthalmologist-in-chief at the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia.
A person’s sense of touch also can be affected by a COVID-19 infection, since the disease has been shown to cause persistent neurologic symptoms. The exact mechanisms behind these stubborn symptoms aren’t well understood, but they most likely relate to local inflammation and local infection with COVID-19 virus in the nerves, explains Igor Koralnik, a professor of neurology at the Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine and chief of the division of neuroinfectious diseases and global neurology at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
Nevertheless, there may be cause for some light perception at the end of the auditory canal. Most people fail to keel over from a brush with COVID-19, and younger people who are more likely to survive also generally have greater cerebral neuroplasticity, allowing them to adapt to the loss of one sense with enhanced processing of another. In the case of COVID-19, even if all 5 of your usual senses have been completely fucked, you can always rely on the sixth sense, videre licet: we see dead people.
Tau.Neutrino said:
A small number of fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 in NSW have died — here’s why
> Thirty-five fully vaccinated people have now died in NSW’s Delta outbreak, with three fully vaccinated patients among the seven deaths recorded yesterday.
As large as that !
Apparently we were wrong about the eye drops, turns out it was something else that sounds like eye too.
https://www.menshealth.com/health/a37597465/betadine-iodine-covid-antivaxxer-treament/
Snorting and Gargling Iodine to Fight Covid-19 Is a Really Bad Idea
It’s the latest anti-vaxxer tactic you should avoid at all costs.
Povidone iodine, known commercially as Betadine, is typically used on the skin as a first aid treatment or a disinfectant for surgery prep. The brand has also introduced a 0.5% mouth rinse meant to treat a mild sore throat, not prevent Covid.
On Sept. 8th, a Twitter user claiming to be an ER doctor tweeted “Don’t get Covid. Prophylaxis is not that hard. Also nasal spray with a couple of drops in it,” alongside an image of assorted vitamins. “And gargle with original Listerine,” they added, garnering over 270 retweets and plenty of questions.
Avrio Health, the makers of Betadine, has also intervened in the online conversation around the use of its product as an alternative Covid treatment, stating “Betadine Antiseptic Sore Throat Gargle is only for the temporary relief of occasional sore throat. Betadine Antiseptic products have not been demonstrated to be effective for the treatment or prevention of COVID- 19 or any other viruses.”
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
anyway one from the alarmists
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
this one is probably a Russian Disinformation Bot making spurious claims about how healthcare copes nicely
https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/1442806675325476867
Since we’re playing at numbers let’s go back to the alarmists for a bit,
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
The virus that causes the disease disrupts not just smell and taste, but all the ways humans perceive the world. For some, the loss may be permanent.
It’s easy to take our senses for granted—until there’s a problem with one of them. This is something many people who suffered from COVID-19 discovered when they unexpectedly lost their senses of smell and taste. More recently, though, it has become apparent that a COVID-19 infection can also affect sight, hearing, and touch.
“With COVID-19, most people don’t have a lot of nasal symptoms, and yet smell loss can be fairly severe,” says Justin Turner, an associate professor of otolaryngology-head and neck surgery at Vanderbilt University Medical Center and director of the Vanderbilt Smell and Taste Center. “We believe this stems from damage to sustentacular cells that live way up in the nose and are particularly susceptible to infection by the virus.”
The mechanisms aren’t completely understood, but experts suspect the disease may affect the eustachian tube, which connects the middle ear with the throat. “With any viral infection, you can have eustachian tube dysfunction, which can lead to fluid build-up in the middle ear—this acts as a mechanical dampener on the ear drum,” explains Elias Michaelides, an associate professor of otolaryngology at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.
Still, some doctors are finding that the SARS-CoV-2 virus can increase the risk of blood clots throughout the body, including in blood vessels in the retina, which can cause blurry vision or some degree of vision loss, explains Julia A. Haller, ophthalmologist-in-chief at the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia.
A person’s sense of touch also can be affected by a COVID-19 infection, since the disease has been shown to cause persistent neurologic symptoms. The exact mechanisms behind these stubborn symptoms aren’t well understood, but they most likely relate to local inflammation and local infection with COVID-19 virus in the nerves, explains Igor Koralnik, a professor of neurology at the Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine and chief of the division of neuroinfectious diseases and global neurology at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
Nevertheless, there may be cause for some light perception at the end of the auditory canal. Most people fail to keel over from a brush with COVID-19, and younger people who are more likely to survive also generally have greater cerebral neuroplasticity, allowing them to adapt to the loss of one sense with enhanced processing of another. In the case of COVID-19, even if all 5 of your usual senses have been completely fucked, you can always rely on the sixth sense, videre licet: we see dead people.
i’d be very wary of the grownups right-thinking healthy views, if an experience of covid downgrounds your experience of the healthy Lies, they’ll be there, with neuroplasticity or whatever, to make the healthy lies work, or lies-of-the-healthy work
do healthy minds generate healthy lies?
absolutely
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
A small number of fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 in NSW have died — here’s why
> Thirty-five fully vaccinated people have now died in NSW’s Delta outbreak, with three fully vaccinated patients among the seven deaths recorded yesterday.
As large as that !
from that page link above…quoted below
“… could have a compromised immune response to the vaccine…”
a person could read that, understand that sentence, and think they understand the subject
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:this one is probably a Russian Disinformation Bot making spurious claims about how healthcare copes nicely
https://twitter.com/summerbrennan/status/1442806675325476867
Since we’re playing at numbers let’s go back to the alarmists for a bit,
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-covid-19-can-damage-all-five-senses
The virus that causes the disease disrupts not just smell and taste, but all the ways humans perceive the world. For some, the loss may be permanent.
It’s easy to take our senses for granted—until there’s a problem with one of them. This is something many people who suffered from COVID-19 discovered when they unexpectedly lost their senses of smell and taste. More recently, though, it has become apparent that a COVID-19 infection can also affect sight, hearing, and touch.
“With COVID-19, most people don’t have a lot of nasal symptoms, and yet smell loss can be fairly severe,” says Justin Turner, an associate professor of otolaryngology-head and neck surgery at Vanderbilt University Medical Center and director of the Vanderbilt Smell and Taste Center. “We believe this stems from damage to sustentacular cells that live way up in the nose and are particularly susceptible to infection by the virus.”
The mechanisms aren’t completely understood, but experts suspect the disease may affect the eustachian tube, which connects the middle ear with the throat. “With any viral infection, you can have eustachian tube dysfunction, which can lead to fluid build-up in the middle ear—this acts as a mechanical dampener on the ear drum,” explains Elias Michaelides, an associate professor of otolaryngology at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.
Still, some doctors are finding that the SARS-CoV-2 virus can increase the risk of blood clots throughout the body, including in blood vessels in the retina, which can cause blurry vision or some degree of vision loss, explains Julia A. Haller, ophthalmologist-in-chief at the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia.
A person’s sense of touch also can be affected by a COVID-19 infection, since the disease has been shown to cause persistent neurologic symptoms. The exact mechanisms behind these stubborn symptoms aren’t well understood, but they most likely relate to local inflammation and local infection with COVID-19 virus in the nerves, explains Igor Koralnik, a professor of neurology at the Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine and chief of the division of neuroinfectious diseases and global neurology at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
Nevertheless, there may be cause for some light perception at the end of the auditory canal. Most people fail to keel over from a brush with COVID-19, and younger people who are more likely to survive also generally have greater cerebral neuroplasticity, allowing them to adapt to the loss of one sense with enhanced processing of another. In the case of COVID-19, even if all 5 of your usual senses have been completely fucked, you can always rely on the sixth sense, videre licet: we see dead people.
i’d be very wary of the grownups right-thinking healthy views, if an experience of covid downgrounds your experience of the healthy Lies, they’ll be there, with neuroplasticity or whatever, to make the healthy lies work, or lies-of-the-healthy work
do healthy minds generate healthy lies?
absolutely
>do healthy minds generate healthy lies?
let me flip that around
healthy minds generate ways of dealing with unhealthy truths, and there’s feedback and recursion about that, goes to what generates a sustains mental states, equilibrium mental states
Victoria records 1,438 COVID-19 cases and five deaths
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/nsw-to-ease-all-restrictions-immediately-as-vic-threatens-to-beat-national-daily-case-record/
poikilotherm said:
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/nsw-to-ease-all-restrictions-immediately-as-vic-threatens-to-beat-national-daily-case-record/
They must have known something.
“Eight members of the Argentinian rugby union squad have been denied re-entry into Queensland after taking a day trip to northern New South Wales from their Gold Coast base.
Police told the ABC eight players travelled to Byron Bay for a health retreat and were stopped when they tried to come back into Queensland last night.”
How is that possible that they didn’t know, that someone in the entourage didn’t know, not even the bus driver? or someone in the bus company?
Peak Warming Man said:
“Eight members of the Argentinian rugby union squad have been denied re-entry into Queensland after taking a day trip to northern New South Wales from their Gold Coast base.
Police told the ABC eight players travelled to Byron Bay for a health retreat and were stopped when they tried to come back into Queensland last night.”How is that possible that they didn’t know, that someone in the entourage didn’t know, not even the bus driver? or someone in the bus company?
Or their manager, even. Whose responsibility it would be to know.
Peak Warming Man said:
“Eight members of the Argentinian rugby union squad have been denied re-entry into Queensland after taking a day trip to northern New South Wales from their Gold Coast base.
Police told the ABC eight players travelled to Byron Bay for a health retreat and were stopped when they tried to come back into Queensland last night.”How is that possible that they didn’t know, that someone in the entourage didn’t know, not even the bus driver? or someone in the bus company?
who knows?
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Eight members of the Argentinian rugby union squad have been denied re-entry into Queensland after taking a day trip to northern New South Wales from their Gold Coast base.
Police told the ABC eight players travelled to Byron Bay for a health retreat and were stopped when they tried to come back into Queensland last night.”How is that possible that they didn’t know, that someone in the entourage didn’t know, not even the bus driver? or someone in the bus company?
who knows?
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Eight members of the Argentinian rugby union squad have been denied re-entry into Queensland after taking a day trip to northern New South Wales from their Gold Coast base.
Police told the ABC eight players travelled to Byron Bay for a health retreat and were stopped when they tried to come back into Queensland last night.”How is that possible that they didn’t know, that someone in the entourage didn’t know, not even the bus driver? or someone in the bus company?
who knows?
snigger
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
“Eight members of the Argentinian rugby union squad have been denied re-entry into Queensland after taking a day trip to northern New South Wales from their Gold Coast base.
Police told the ABC eight players travelled to Byron Bay for a health retreat and were stopped when they tried to come back into Queensland last night.”How is that possible that they didn’t know, that someone in the entourage didn’t know, not even the bus driver? or someone in the bus company?
who knows?
snigger
I’m not going to cry for them
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:who knows?
snigger
I’m not going to cry for them
Ha!
Six new cases in SEQ, they will need to make a decision on the Grand Final by at least tomorrow I’d reckon.
Tau.Neutrino said:
How effective are the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines?
so they agree, typical
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.
Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-30/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-vaccine-cases/100502094
Tau.Neutrino said:
How effective are the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines?
Better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick.
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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so protests completely harmless meanwhile
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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CFMEU blames protests for Covid outbreak at Victorian headquarters
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/29/cfmeu-blames-protests-for-covid-outbreak-at-victorian-headquarters
At Monday’s presser Barrabulshtlaro said there would be a Freedom Day.. Gladarse said there wouldn’t be one.
Good to see they’re on the same page.
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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Covidiots
Pyrite to Vic
Congrats
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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People breaking rules because they are over it.
Maybe introduce penalities for someone who is knowingly positive infecting each person?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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People breaking rules because they are over it.
Maybe introduce penalities for someone who is knowingly positive infecting each person?
Hard case to prove
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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People breaking rules because they are over it.
Maybe introduce penalities for someone who is knowingly positive infecting each person?
Hard case to prove
Contact tracing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:People breaking rules because they are over it.
Maybe introduce penalities for someone who is knowingly positive infecting each person?
Hard case to prove
Contact tracing.
Genomic fingerprinting
https://theconversation.com/genomic-fingerprinting-helps-us-trace-coronavirus-outbreaks-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work-142917
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:People breaking rules because they are over it.
Maybe introduce penalities for someone who is knowingly positive infecting each person?
Hard case to prove
Contact tracing.
With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
How well would this work?
https://theconversation.com/genomic-fingerprinting-helps-us-trace-coronavirus-outbreaks-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work-142917
COVID-19 is an RNA virus, and by looking at the genetic sequence of different cases, we can detect minute differences in each new infection.
This allows us to create a genetic “family tree” to show which COVID-19 cases are closely related, and to identify and track clusters.
The more fingerprints we take, the easier it becomes to identify whether someone contracted COVID-19 from a known cluster or case.
Tau.Neutrino said:
How well would this work?https://theconversation.com/genomic-fingerprinting-helps-us-trace-coronavirus-outbreaks-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work-142917
COVID-19 is an RNA virus, and by looking at the genetic sequence of different cases, we can detect minute differences in each new infection.
This allows us to create a genetic “family tree” to show which COVID-19 cases are closely related, and to identify and track clusters.
The more fingerprints we take, the easier it becomes to identify whether someone contracted COVID-19 from a known cluster or case.
Contact tracers are all but overwhelmed as it is.
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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I’d say the timing works pretty well for the big protest crowds of last week, actually.
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How well would this work?https://theconversation.com/genomic-fingerprinting-helps-us-trace-coronavirus-outbreaks-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work-142917
COVID-19 is an RNA virus, and by looking at the genetic sequence of different cases, we can detect minute differences in each new infection.
This allows us to create a genetic “family tree” to show which COVID-19 cases are closely related, and to identify and track clusters.
The more fingerprints we take, the easier it becomes to identify whether someone contracted COVID-19 from a known cluster or case.
Contact tracers are all but overwhelmed as it is.
Are they using any form of genomic-fingerprinting?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How well would this work?https://theconversation.com/genomic-fingerprinting-helps-us-trace-coronavirus-outbreaks-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work-142917
COVID-19 is an RNA virus, and by looking at the genetic sequence of different cases, we can detect minute differences in each new infection.
This allows us to create a genetic “family tree” to show which COVID-19 cases are closely related, and to identify and track clusters.
The more fingerprints we take, the easier it becomes to identify whether someone contracted COVID-19 from a known cluster or case.
If 8 people caught COVID from someone could genomic-fingerprinting tie that one person to the other 8 people?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How well would this work?https://theconversation.com/genomic-fingerprinting-helps-us-trace-coronavirus-outbreaks-what-is-it-and-how-does-it-work-142917
COVID-19 is an RNA virus, and by looking at the genetic sequence of different cases, we can detect minute differences in each new infection.
This allows us to create a genetic “family tree” to show which COVID-19 cases are closely related, and to identify and track clusters.
The more fingerprints we take, the easier it becomes to identify whether someone contracted COVID-19 from a known cluster or case.
Contact tracers are all but overwhelmed as it is.
Are they using any form of genomic-fingerprinting?
Dunno
buffy said:
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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I’d say the timing works pretty well for the big protest crowds of last week, actually.
Actually, thinking about that, it would be interesting to know how much overlap there is between those who attended the marches and then went to family/friends grand final gatherings. Pick it up at the march, take it home to friends/family. I imagine people who thought they needed to march would also be people who thought it was OK to have a gathering. If they were being consistent in their views.
buffy said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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I’d say the timing works pretty well for the big protest crowds of last week, actually.
Actually, thinking about that, it would be interesting to know how much overlap there is between those who attended the marches and then went to family/friends grand final gatherings. Pick it up at the march, take it home to friends/family. I imagine people who thought they needed to march would also be people who thought it was OK to have a gathering. If they were being consistent in their views.
They also seem to think that its ok to get COVID and to pass it on to other people.
Similar thing which happened at the CFMEU Victorian headquarters.
Some sick people had to attend, and passed it on to others.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
“More than 500 cases linked to grand final weekend gatherings, COVID commander says.Jeroen Weimar is up now — and he’s said pretty clearly that social gatherings on AFL grand final weekend are part of why Victoria’s cases spiked so high today.
“The contact tracers tell us that there have been significant numbers of social gatherings on Friday and Saturday, over a long weekend. Grand final parties. Other social gatherings, barbecues, backyard visits. This has generated a significant case load,” he says.
“A third of our cases are due directly to those different types of social gatherings, as people have dropped their guard, and decided now it’s the grand final weekend, it’s the long weekend, we deserve a bit of a payback, we deserve a nicer time. And that has now translated into additional 500 cases from when we expected to see today.”“
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Bloody!
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I’d say the timing works pretty well for the big protest crowds of last week, actually.
Yes
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:Hard case to prove
Contact tracing.
With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
sibeen said:
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Contact tracing.
With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I thought it was well dead.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I thought it was well dead.
I use the Service Victoria app.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I thought it was well dead.
I use the Service Victoria app.
Might be talking about two different things here.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:I thought it was well dead.
I use the Service Victoria app.
Might be talking about two different things here.
I think so. Although what would a person without a smartphone know. I reckon COVIDsafe (the expensive Federal thing) died ages ago.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I thought it was well dead.
Different apps. Sibeen is talking about the check-in app. Covid-safe wasn’t fit for purpose.
sibeen said:
Ian said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Contact tracing.
With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I thought it was well dead.
Different apps. Sibeen is talking about the check-in app. Covid-safe wasn’t fit for purpose.
Ahh, there ya go.
Ian said:
sibeen said:
Ian said:With the all but abandoned the COVIDSafe app?
Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I can’t see the date on that piece. I know I read about it, seems like a couple of months ago?
buffy said:
Ian said:
sibeen said:Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I can’t see the date on that piece. I know I read about it, seems like a couple of months ago?
Oh, one of the tweets is May this year. So it was several months ago.
buffy said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:I use the Service Victoria app.
Might be talking about two different things here.
I think so. Although what would a person without a smartphone know. I reckon COVIDsafe (the expensive Federal thing) died ages ago.
buffy said:
Ian said:
sibeen said:Err, when was the app abandoned? I seem to use it everyday and two weeks ago it told me I was a tier 2 contact and to go and get tested.
I can’t see the date on that piece. I know I read about it, seems like a couple of months ago?
1/6/21
In separate legal bids, staff from the Queensland Police Service and Queensland Health argue that directions by their employers to be fully inoculated are unlawful. They want to avoid any penalty for resisting the move until their case goes to court.
People are getting really antsy about it becoming mandatory.
Why I wonder, pig headed stubbornness about being told what to do, when they themselves have that sort of authority over the general public
Vaccines (not Covid) for babies/children are pretty much mandatory and are tied to Centrelink payments, allowed to attend school, day, etc, this isn’t much different.
At least fight your battles against authoritah when its useful
Today’s Qld figures:
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
When do you get your next jab Tamb?
Mine’s about 10 days away I think.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
When do you get your next jab Tamb?
Mine’s about 10 days away I think.
And here you go!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-30/covidsafe-app-cost-hasnt-uncovered-close-contacts-2021-outbreaks/100499870
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-30/businesses-cop-abuse-vaccine-economy-compliance/100503124
From that piece:
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Member for Bendigo East Jacinta Allan says as preparation for the vaccine economy trial begins in Bendigo, support officers will be deployed by the state government to provide staff with help and training.
“One of the reasons we’re working through the trial is to carefully step through the supports that business owners need, but also the staff,” she said.
“I think the important thing, as part of the vaccination economy trial, will be providing as much support for businesses as we can.
“There will be people on the ground working with those businesses to ensure the trial runs smoothly.”
The vaccine economy trial launches across the City of Greater Bendigo on October 11.
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As a former business owner, I’d be saying to the support officers “right, we are really busy now, you will have to take over doing the checking because we haven’t got time at the moment”. Quite honestly, if you are staffed for your normal workload, adding something like this in adds almost another staff member. In optometry we were right because we knew name and address of each person coming in and we saw a Medicare card for each consultation. But if someone comes in for a frame adjustment when there is a lot going on, you haven’t got time to be asking for ID etc. And especially if you get someone arcing up about it. It would be a lot worse in a food place where it’s just constant order taking and serving.
And especially if you get someone arcing up about it. It would be a lot worse in a food place where it’s just constant order taking and serving.
Likely to be many young people dealing with them as well
CDC adds Norway to highest travel advisory
Sept. 27 (UPI) — The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday moved Norway to its highest travel warning for U.S. citizens considering visiting the Scandinavian country.
The CDC lifted Norway to Level 4: COVID-19 Very High, the highest level on its four-level advisory.
“Avoid travel to Norway,” it said. “If you must travel to Norway, make sure you are fully vaccinated before travel.”
A Level 4 designation indicates a destination has recorded 500 positive cases per 100,000 residents in the past 28 days.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/09/27/CDC-Norway-travel-advisory/4351632794785/
…
The US is currently pegging around 1000 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 14 deaths per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Norway is currently getting 300 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 1 death per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
dv said:
CDC adds Norway to highest travel advisorySept. 27 (UPI) — The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday moved Norway to its highest travel warning for U.S. citizens considering visiting the Scandinavian country.
The CDC lifted Norway to Level 4: COVID-19 Very High, the highest level on its four-level advisory.
“Avoid travel to Norway,” it said. “If you must travel to Norway, make sure you are fully vaccinated before travel.”
A Level 4 designation indicates a destination has recorded 500 positive cases per 100,000 residents in the past 28 days.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/09/27/CDC-Norway-travel-advisory/4351632794785/
…
The US is currently pegging around 1000 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 14 deaths per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Norway is currently getting 300 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 1 death per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Madness.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
CDC adds Norway to highest travel advisorySept. 27 (UPI) — The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday moved Norway to its highest travel warning for U.S. citizens considering visiting the Scandinavian country.
The CDC lifted Norway to Level 4: COVID-19 Very High, the highest level on its four-level advisory.
“Avoid travel to Norway,” it said. “If you must travel to Norway, make sure you are fully vaccinated before travel.”
A Level 4 designation indicates a destination has recorded 500 positive cases per 100,000 residents in the past 28 days.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/09/27/CDC-Norway-travel-advisory/4351632794785/
…
The US is currently pegging around 1000 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 14 deaths per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Norway is currently getting 300 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 1 death per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Madness.
Our house in the middle of the street
Cymek said:
In separate legal bids, staff from the Queensland Police Service and Queensland Health argue that directions by their employers to be fully inoculated are unlawful. They want to avoid any penalty for resisting the move until their case goes to court.People are getting really antsy about it becoming mandatory.
Why I wonder, pig headed stubbornness about being told what to do, when they themselves have that sort of authority over the general public
Vaccines (not Covid) for babies/children are pretty much mandatory and are tied to Centrelink payments, allowed to attend school, day, etc, this isn’t much different.At least fight your battles against authoritah when its useful
They want to avoid any penalty for resisting the move until their case goes to court.
They also want to avoid any penalty for passing on COVID to other people.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
In separate legal bids, staff from the Queensland Police Service and Queensland Health argue that directions by their employers to be fully inoculated are unlawful. They want to avoid any penalty for resisting the move until their case goes to court.People are getting really antsy about it becoming mandatory.
Why I wonder, pig headed stubbornness about being told what to do, when they themselves have that sort of authority over the general public
Vaccines (not Covid) for babies/children are pretty much mandatory and are tied to Centrelink payments, allowed to attend school, day, etc, this isn’t much different.At least fight your battles against authoritah when its useful
They want to avoid any penalty for resisting the move until their case goes to court.
They also want to avoid any penalty for passing on COVID to other people.
You are already exempt on certain grounds so they can’t be fighting against that criteria, no good reason it seems
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
CDC adds Norway to highest travel advisorySept. 27 (UPI) — The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday moved Norway to its highest travel warning for U.S. citizens considering visiting the Scandinavian country.
The CDC lifted Norway to Level 4: COVID-19 Very High, the highest level on its four-level advisory.
“Avoid travel to Norway,” it said. “If you must travel to Norway, make sure you are fully vaccinated before travel.”
A Level 4 designation indicates a destination has recorded 500 positive cases per 100,000 residents in the past 28 days.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/09/27/CDC-Norway-travel-advisory/4351632794785/
…
The US is currently pegging around 1000 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 14 deaths per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Norway is currently getting 300 cases per 100000 pop in the past 28 days, about 1 death per 100000 pop in the past 28 days.
Madness.
is the trend different though, like all well and good on historical figures but we’d be hypocrites for negatively judging others for responding to reasonable modelling showing escalating threats
Guardian Australia
1 hr ·
Queensland Health has teamed up with a country music festival to get more jabs in arms in the battle against Covid-19.
This weekend’s Savannah in the Round music festival, which will take place in Mareeba in the Cairns hinterland, will be headlined by John Butler, John Williamson, Lee Kernaghan and Sheppard.
Also on the lineup: a vaccination hub, offering festival goers a free dose of the Pfizer jab.
sarahs mum said:
Guardian Australia
1 hr ·
Queensland Health has teamed up with a country music festival to get more jabs in arms in the battle against Covid-19.
This weekend’s Savannah in the Round music festival, which will take place in Mareeba in the Cairns hinterland, will be headlined by John Butler, John Williamson, Lee Kernaghan and Sheppard.
Also on the lineup: a vaccination hub, offering festival goers a free dose of the Pfizer jab.
Sheppard?
Peak Warming Man said:
sarahs mum said:
Guardian Australia
1 hr ·
Queensland Health has teamed up with a country music festival to get more jabs in arms in the battle against Covid-19.
This weekend’s Savannah in the Round music festival, which will take place in Mareeba in the Cairns hinterland, will be headlined by John Butler, John Williamson, Lee Kernaghan and Sheppard.
Also on the lineup: a vaccination hub, offering festival goers a free dose of the Pfizer jab.
Sheppard?
That’s what they said.
Peak Warming Man said:
sarahs mum said:
Guardian Australia
1 hr ·
Queensland Health has teamed up with a country music festival to get more jabs in arms in the battle against Covid-19.
This weekend’s Savannah in the Round music festival, which will take place in Mareeba in the Cairns hinterland, will be headlined by John Butler, John Williamson, Lee Kernaghan and Sheppard.
Also on the lineup: a vaccination hub, offering festival goers a free dose of the Pfizer jab.
Sheppard?
Don’t you know anything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheppard_(band)
Women And Children First ¡ oh wait, nah Angry Man Freedom First ¡¡¡
Wait, lazy surgeons aren’t doing surgery any more¿ Fuck’em, Defund The Hospitals Now¡
Professor Dale Fisher, an Australian who chairs the WHO’s Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, believes there are lessons to be learnt about the difficult transition to living with the virus.
Yeah, it’s hard to back down from the celebratory embrace of Throwing It Open And Letting It Rip isn’t it.
“We went from 100 to a 1000 in a very short space of time and that messaging wasn’t I guess uniformly received,” said Fisher, a physician based at the Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine at the National University of Singapore. “Suddenly the hospitals were overwhelmed with people that didn’t need to be there for health reasons.”
New infections dipped to 1647 on Monday but Singapore’s government has expressed concerns daily cases could rise beyond 3000 by next week and is planning for a scenario of as many as 5000 a day. That involves a readiness for 300 ICU beds if needed and the introduction of new “stepped up” community care facilities for elderly COVID-19 patients who have underlying conditions but aren’t seriously ill.
“If there is a lesson for NSW and Victoria, could this be a problem for you as numbers continue to increase as you ease restrictions?” Fisher said. “Do you need these extra facilities? If there are suddenly a number of nursing home people , do you have a facility or do you have capacity to look after them? If people aren’t that sick but need to be kept away from the home while they’re contagious … do you need these facilities? If so, do them now because your numbers are going to go up.”
Two things. One. You absolutely fucking do need those facilities, so yes, any state that got its shit together and started building purpose-built quarantine facilities (for example) is at a head start. Two. Maybe the problem isn’t just on the back end with the facilities that catch the impact, but on the front¿ Oh, wait, let’s read on.
Singapore Finance Minister Lawrence Wong said the government had no choice but to ramp up restrictions for a month to avoid unnecessary deaths. They include winding back the number of people allowed to meet in public from five to two and a return to working from home and online schooling.
Nah, couldn’t be a mistake, now, could it¿ Nah, it’s not a reversal, it’s part of the plan.
While there is frustration at the latest setback, Wong maintains Singapore isn’t “going back to a scenario of low daily cases any more”, with the government intent on treating the virus as an endemic disease.
The plan to get people sick. Don’t worry, as NSWuhanVictozuela have shown, even maintaining those heightened restrictions will not take you “back to a scenario of low daily cases any more” so what’s not to enjoy¿
Laugh Out Loud
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Mr Merlino also announced a $190 million package to boost ventilation and air purification in schools in a bid to stem transmission of COVID-19.
In what he termed an “Australian first”, the government has signed a contract with Samsung to deliver 51,000 air purification devices to every government, and low-fee Catholic and independent school in Victoria.
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The NSW Education Department only began an audit of school classrooms last week – more than two weeks after it announced its back-to-school plan – and has not placed an order for any air purification devices despite conceding they may be necessary for some indoor spaces when students return next month.
“The ventilation plan will be complete once the audit is complete. It is not simply ‘open the windows’. It is [to] audit and understand the need of each of our learning spaces, and respond to those needs specifically,” Ms Harrisson told a parliamentary inquiry into the state’s COVID-19 response on Thursday. He said classroom windows could often still be opened in the rain and that other air pollutants – such as bushfire smoke – have always been an issue in schools because most buildings rely on natural ventilation. Ms Harrisson said that, in the event of bushfires, the department would make risk assessments of individual schools.
The Victorian government said it already had infrastructure audits, ventilation assessments and carbon dioxide monitoring in place in sample schools. Of the new funding, $7 million will go towards a further 3500 carbon dioxide devices, and 20,000 different types of classrooms will be assessed to determine how the purifiers should be rolled out.
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The NSW Education Department is looking to buy about 10,000 air purifiers to be used in the state’s classrooms to help mitigate COVID-19 transmission when students return to school.
Earlier this month, one department deputy secretary told parents there was “no one with any scientific or medical qualifications” recommending the use of HEPA filters, but boss Georgina Harrisson last week revealed they may be part of the state’s plan. “If the audit shows we need additional support for ventilation in our classrooms, then we will look into providing it,” Ms Harrisson told a parliamentary committee on Thursday. Later that afternoon, the tender was sent to potential suppliers, according to one company that received the document and submitted its application. The tender closed on Monday afternoon.
Reopening Australia while some of the nation’s most vulnerable people remain unvaccinated would be “unforgivable”, Q+A has heard, with the program’s panellists warning we would have to live with the consequences of our collective decision.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/disability-sector-covid-fears-mandatory-vaccines-qa/100505608
Laugh Out Loud Ethics What The Fuck Is That Who Needs That Shit Anyway
And in the Stalking Sweden..they’ve lost another spot in the deaths per million chart, dropped down to number 46 overnight. And I’d say South Africa will overtake them today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Gosh, Vietnam ran a late race there…
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/viet-nam/
wait
Leading logistics software provider says parcel delays are blowing out to between three and seven days
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/expect-parcel-delays-to-continue-through-to-christmas/100504602
. privilege
buffy said:
buffy said:
And in the Stalking Sweden..they’ve lost another spot in the deaths per million chart, dropped down to number 46 overnight. And I’d say South Africa will overtake them today.
Gosh, Vietnam ran a late race there…
if only they’d done it the Swedish way right
Going endemic seems to be working in the US…
poikilotherm said:
Going endemic seems to be working in the US…
True, it’s certainly solving their Republican problem.
communists
As more councils go back into lockdown, the Rural Doctors Association says vaccination rates must be equal across all of New South Wales before regional travel is allowed.
Kyogle in the state’s northern rivers, Narromine in the central west and the Snowy Mountains all went back into lockdown yesterday.
International border announcement expected this morning
The Prime Minister is expected to make an announcement later this morning about the international border and potentially when we might see it reopen in some shape or form.
We don’t have any detail about the announcement yet, but it’s worth remembering that the national reopening plan has linked international travel resuming when the 80 per cent vaccination rate is reached.
Given some states and territories are much closer to that target than others, it could be that any international border reopening would be done at a state or territory level to begin with.
All this said, we’ll hopefully have the full details later this morning.
For what it’s worth, Tourism Minister Dan Tehan has said the border will be open by Christmas “at the latest” and the government has confirmed it’s been working with other countries to make sure international vaccine passports are accepted overseas.
We’re also expecting to hear from the head of Border Force, Michael Outram, this afternoon at a speech called “Economic recovery: Opening our borders”, so make of that what you will.
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From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/covid-live-blog-national-cabinet-back-transition-vaccines/100505554
There must be some building of Federal quarantine stations going on that I don’t know about…
buffy said:
International border announcement expected this morning
The Prime Minister is expected to make an announcement later this morning about the international border and potentially when we might see it reopen in some shape or form.
We don’t have any detail about the announcement yet, but it’s worth remembering that the national reopening plan has linked international travel resuming when the 80 per cent vaccination rate is reached.
Given some states and territories are much closer to that target than others, it could be that any international border reopening would be done at a state or territory level to begin with.
All this said, we’ll hopefully have the full details later this morning.
For what it’s worth, Tourism Minister Dan Tehan has said the border will be open by Christmas “at the latest” and the government has confirmed it’s been working with other countries to make sure international vaccine passports are accepted overseas.
We’re also expecting to hear from the head of Border Force, Michael Outram, this afternoon at a speech called “Economic recovery: Opening our borders”, so make of that what you will.
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There must be some building of Federal quarantine stations going on that I don’t know about…
or they’re going to try to fuck up the Labor states that were more responsible and started planning / building facilities
by waiving the quarantine requirement for all approved travellers which will be all travellers
Why The Let It Rip™pers Wanted You To Get ChAdOx1
Spread The Love
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:International border announcement expected this morning
The Prime Minister is expected to make an announcement later this morning about the international border and potentially when we might see it reopen in some shape or form.
We don’t have any detail about the announcement yet, but it’s worth remembering that the national reopening plan has linked international travel resuming when the 80 per cent vaccination rate is reached.
Given some states and territories are much closer to that target than others, it could be that any international border reopening would be done at a state or territory level to begin with.
All this said, we’ll hopefully have the full details later this morning.
For what it’s worth, Tourism Minister Dan Tehan has said the border will be open by Christmas “at the latest” and the government has confirmed it’s been working with other countries to make sure international vaccine passports are accepted overseas.
We’re also expecting to hear from the head of Border Force, Michael Outram, this afternoon at a speech called “Economic recovery: Opening our borders”, so make of that what you will.
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There must be some building of Federal quarantine stations going on that I don’t know about…
or they’re going to try to fuck up the Labor states that were more responsible and started planning / building facilities
by waiving the quarantine requirement for all approved travellers which will be all travellers
even the Chinese wouldn’t crash their own territory with covid
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
International border announcement expected this morning
The Prime Minister is expected to make an announcement later this morning about the international border and potentially when we might see it reopen in some shape or form.
We don’t have any detail about the announcement yet, but it’s worth remembering that the national reopening plan has linked international travel resuming when the 80 per cent vaccination rate is reached.
Given some states and territories are much closer to that target than others, it could be that any international border reopening would be done at a state or territory level to begin with.
All this said, we’ll hopefully have the full details later this morning.
For what it’s worth, Tourism Minister Dan Tehan has said the border will be open by Christmas “at the latest” and the government has confirmed it’s been working with other countries to make sure international vaccine passports are accepted overseas.
We’re also expecting to hear from the head of Border Force, Michael Outram, this afternoon at a speech called “Economic recovery: Opening our borders”, so make of that what you will.
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There must be some building of Federal quarantine stations going on that I don’t know about…
or they’re going to try to fuck up the Labor states that were more responsible and started planning / building facilities
by waiving the quarantine requirement for all approved travellers which will be all travellers
even the Chinese wouldn’t crash their own territory with covid
wonders if there’s a specific reason that {travellers from a place that consistently reports zero local transmission} are not afforded the benefit of free(libre) travel at destinations
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
or they’re going to try to fuck up the Labor states that were more responsible and started planning / building facilities
by waiving the quarantine requirement for all approved travellers which will be all travellers
even the Chinese wouldn’t crash their own territory with covid
wonders if there’s a specific reason that {travellers from a place that consistently reports zero local transmission} are not afforded the benefit of free(libre) travel at destinations
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
or they’re going to try to fuck up the Labor states that were more responsible and started planning / building facilities
by waiving the quarantine requirement for all approved travellers which will be all travellers
even the Chinese wouldn’t crash their own territory with covid
wonders if there’s a specific reason that {travellers from a place that consistently reports zero local transmission} are not afforded the benefit of free(libre) travel at destinations
I think josh, scott, and their friends ought be made to work in hospitals from here on, made to spend half their life in PPE, so they get some fucken reality
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
even the Chinese wouldn’t crash their own territory with covid
wonders if there’s a specific reason that {travellers from a place that consistently reports zero local transmission} are not afforded the benefit of free(libre) travel at destinations
Saw Dan yesterday saying things will open soon when Vic gets 70% vaccination.
we’re going to go all out and clear about this (despite the above suggestion that travellers from specific origins could possibly be greenlighted safely), and nothing particularly new
let’s say people are wanting to “open everything up (to Let It Rip™)” then maybe they should break that down a little
*: this is exactly the reason that quarantine as a concept exists, though more generally because we’re happy for the actual duration to be matched to the disease in question
**: and that includes 100% compliance with masking once they are on site
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
even the Chinese wouldn’t crash their own territory with covid
wonders if there’s a specific reason that {travellers from a place that consistently reports zero local transmission} are not afforded the benefit of free(libre) travel at destinations
I think josh, scott, and their friends ought be made to work in hospitals from here on, made to spend half their life in PPE, so they get some fucken reality
maybe even just see if they can score some elective surgery, perhaps stub a toe or something and try out an emergency department or 20, get a bit of not at all urgent care
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
Going endemic seems to be working in the US…
True, it’s certainly solving their Republican problem.
It was one of the biggest and most anticipated reopenings of Broadway’s return. A sense of elation pervaded the audience. The Tonys had declared on Sunday that Broadway was back after the pandemic closed the Great White Way 18 months ago. But the day after the opulent Disney spectacular Aladdin reopened, the show was canceled when several breakthrough cases of COVID-19 were detected among its cast.
Evidence of coronavirus pandemic’s effect on the cast was visible even during the one-night-only engagement, with three understudies taking over for absent main players. Those watching the show were particularly overjoyed to see Michael James Scott, who plays the Genie, and who referenced the pandemic as he put his all into singing and dancing up a storm. “Eighteen months!” he said, more than once out of breath, to applause.
Vaccinations are mandatory for audience, performers, and staff at Broadway theaters, and audience members must wear masks throughout the performance. Audiences must also show proof of ID. Roughly 30 shows are expected to reopen before the end of the year.
Ah well, lucky they’re getting immune by Natural Infection™ then, since those vaccines aren’t pulling weight. Dead weight.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:poikilotherm said:
Going endemic seems to be working in the US…
True, it’s certainly solving their Republican problem.
Reopen For The Performing Arts Industry
It was one of the biggest and most anticipated reopenings of Broadway’s return. A sense of elation pervaded the audience. The Tonys had declared on Sunday that Broadway was back after the pandemic closed the Great White Way 18 months ago. But the day after the opulent Disney spectacular Aladdin reopened, the show was canceled when several breakthrough cases of COVID-19 were detected among its cast.
Evidence of coronavirus pandemic’s effect on the cast was visible even during the one-night-only engagement, with three understudies taking over for absent main players. Those watching the show were particularly overjoyed to see Michael James Scott, who plays the Genie, and who referenced the pandemic as he put his all into singing and dancing up a storm. “Eighteen months!” he said, more than once out of breath, to applause.
Vaccinations are mandatory for audience, performers, and staff at Broadway theaters, and audience members must wear masks throughout the performance. Audiences must also show proof of ID. Roughly 30 shows are expected to reopen before the end of the year.
Ah well, lucky they’re getting immune by Natural Infection™ then, since those vaccines aren’t pulling weight. Dead weight.
Damn you big pharma
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
True, it’s certainly solving their Republican problem.
Reopen For The Performing Arts Industry
It was one of the biggest and most anticipated reopenings of Broadway’s return. A sense of elation pervaded the audience. The Tonys had declared on Sunday that Broadway was back after the pandemic closed the Great White Way 18 months ago. But the day after the opulent Disney spectacular Aladdin reopened, the show was canceled when several breakthrough cases of COVID-19 were detected among its cast.
Evidence of coronavirus pandemic’s effect on the cast was visible even during the one-night-only engagement, with three understudies taking over for absent main players. Those watching the show were particularly overjoyed to see Michael James Scott, who plays the Genie, and who referenced the pandemic as he put his all into singing and dancing up a storm. “Eighteen months!” he said, more than once out of breath, to applause.
Vaccinations are mandatory for audience, performers, and staff at Broadway theaters, and audience members must wear masks throughout the performance. Audiences must also show proof of ID. Roughly 30 shows are expected to reopen before the end of the year.
Ah well, lucky they’re getting immune by Natural Infection™ then, since those vaccines aren’t pulling weight. Dead weight.
Damn you big pharma
uh actually it’s Big Farmer, why do you think ivermectin is all the rage
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:SCIENCE said:
Reopen For The Performing Arts Industry
It was one of the biggest and most anticipated reopenings of Broadway’s return. A sense of elation pervaded the audience. The Tonys had declared on Sunday that Broadway was back after the pandemic closed the Great White Way 18 months ago. But the day after the opulent Disney spectacular Aladdin reopened, the show was canceled when several breakthrough cases of COVID-19 were detected among its cast.
Evidence of coronavirus pandemic’s effect on the cast was visible even during the one-night-only engagement, with three understudies taking over for absent main players. Those watching the show were particularly overjoyed to see Michael James Scott, who plays the Genie, and who referenced the pandemic as he put his all into singing and dancing up a storm. “Eighteen months!” he said, more than once out of breath, to applause.
Vaccinations are mandatory for audience, performers, and staff at Broadway theaters, and audience members must wear masks throughout the performance. Audiences must also show proof of ID. Roughly 30 shows are expected to reopen before the end of the year.
Ah well, lucky they’re getting immune by Natural Infection™ then, since those vaccines aren’t pulling weight. Dead weight.
Damn you big pharma
uh actually it’s Big Farmer, why do you think ivermectin is all the rage
That sort of thinking (lack off perhaps) is so weird.
Won’t use this vaccine created by experts in the field, safety tested and open to scrutiny by the entire world but will use this other medicine (non human) which has no proven effectiveness and could be quite detrimental.
I do wonder if people aren’t actually idiots but have some skewed thinking that they can’t see the obvious or thinking logically.
buffy said:
And in the Stalking Sweden..they’ve lost another spot in the deaths per million chart, dropped down to number 46 overnight. And I’d say South Africa will overtake them today.
While we’re speaking of other places concealing data and cooking the books, get a load of the dUK.
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/school-attendance-data-to-be-published-fortnightly-from-september/
The government will only publish school attendance data every two weeks from September, it has emerged. It comes as government scientific advisers warned a “high prevalence” of Covid-19 was “highly likely” to be seen in schools by the end of September, and urged the government to “plan for this eventuality”.
Data on pupil attendance and absences due to Covid has been published on a weekly basis during term time since last June. But the Department for Education has confirmed in its statistical release calendar that the data will now be published fortnightly.
It means the first attendance data of the new school year won’t be released until September 21, almost three weeks into the autumn term. The next publication scheduled after that is on October 3. The DfE said decisions on the timing and frequency of statistical releases were made by its chief statistician and reflected “user need”. The decision also reflected the DfE’s expectation of a move “closer to a normal education experience” in the autumn.
The news comes after the government told headteachers it would only collect attendance data weekly from October. At present, schools are required to submit daily data via the educational setting status form during term time. They will still be required to do so throughout September, and the DfE said the new fortnightly data releases would still include daily data until the end of next month, and then weekly data after that.
In mid-July, the data showed that more than a million pupils were absent for that reason, most of them because they were self-isolating because of potential contact in school. The data is likely to paint a different picture in the next academic year, given that the requirement for close contacts of confirmed cases to self-isolate ended for under-18s and double-vaccinated adults on August 16.
roentgenium
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Damn you big pharma
uh actually it’s Big Farmer, why do you think ivermectin is all the rage
That sort of thinking (lack off perhaps) is so weird.
Won’t use this vaccine created by experts in the field, safety tested and open to scrutiny by the entire world but will use this other medicine (non human) which has no proven effectiveness and could be quite detrimental.I do wonder if people aren’t actually idiots but have some skewed thinking that they can’t see the obvious or thinking logically.
Remember how everyone is against Micro$$$oft as well and yet despite a common user base across the world, the social media that have created silos of conspiratorial conspiracy theorists are newer creations … wait …
But to respond slightly more directly to your point, consider the final part below.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/truth-carl-sagan-quote/
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.
remember when people used to actually try and hope to not catch the ‘flu’ because it was such a horrible week and you couldn’t work or learn or do things you might normally do
SCIENCE said:
Why The Let It Rip™pers Wanted You To Get ChAdOx1
Spread The Love
the art’ at https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full.pdf so what is to be made of it
roentgenium
So… Who Do You Trust ¿
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58410584
The risk of “long Covid” in children is much lower than many had feared, leading child health experts have said. After the world’s biggest study into the issue, the researchers, led by University College London, said they were “reassured”. They surveyed 11- to 17-year-olds testing positive for coronavirus in England between September and March. The research suggests somewhere between 2% and 14% still had symptoms caused by Covid 15 weeks later.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/world/coronavirus-newsletter-intl-29-09-21/index.html
A large study has revealed that one in three Covid-19 survivors have suffered symptoms three to six months after getting infected, with breathing problems, abdominal symptoms such as abdominal pain, change of bowel habit and diarrhoea, fatigue, pain, anxiety and depression among the most common issues reported. Researchers at the University of Oxford, the National Institute for Health Research and the Oxford Health Biomedical Research Centre studied symptoms in more than 270,000 people recovering from Covid-19 and found that the nine features of long Covid were detected by clinicians more frequently in those who had been hospitalized, and slightly more often in women.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
wonders if there’s a specific reason that {travellers from a place that consistently reports zero local transmission} are not afforded the benefit of free(libre) travel at destinations
I think josh, scott, and their friends ought be made to work in hospitals from here on, made to spend half their life in PPE, so they get some fucken reality
maybe even just see if they can score some elective surgery, perhaps stub a toe or something and try out an emergency department or 20, get a bit of not at all urgent care
i’m sure they have quite comprehensive health insurance, reliable too, wouldn’t matter if there was a plague on
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/cancer-patient-drug-bust/100505256
Wonder if it is cheaper to buy the prescribed stuff?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/act-records-highest-number-cases-52-friday-two-deaths/100506206
Maybe they shouldn’t let the pollies move about freely any more for a bit.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Roll Cloud over Texas
Similar near Kurumba on the Gulf
Morning glory.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:Similar near Kurumba on the Gulf
Morning glory.
Yep.
chemtrails
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/victoria-supermarkets-warn-of-staff-shortages-covid-isolation/100505938
Some of those requirements are stupid.
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Morning glory.
Yep.chemtrails
“look like”
SCIENCE said:
“look like”
How long ago?
Well, how old is the British class system?
I am teh fully vaccinified
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
“look like”
How long ago?
Well, how old is the British class system?
Since at least 1066
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
“look like”
How long ago?
Well, how old is the British class system?
Since at least 1066
There’s your answer, fishbulb.
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
Good to hear, me too.
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
I was wondering what that faint green glow was.
The boys are now going back to school a week sooner. They have not been to school since June. Neither complained about this news.
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I’ll be fully autistic on the 12th.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I’ll be fully autistic on the 12th.
I think it still takes a couple of weeks after the jab to take full effect.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I’ll be fully autistic on the 12th.
Qld today:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I’ll be fully autistic on the 12th.
December before my second.Qld today:
Yeah, but you have to be more carefuller than the rest of us.
:)
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I’ll be fully autistic on the 12th.
I think it still takes a couple of weeks after the jab to take full effect.
It seems the number of Covid vaccines administered is the largest ever (can’t find anything to contradict this easily)
It would be good means of population control as over 2.64 billion people are fully vaccinated
buffy said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:I’ll be fully autistic on the 12th.
December before my second.Qld today:
Yeah, but you have to be more carefuller than the rest of us.
:)
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Tamb said:December before my second.
Qld today:
Yeah, but you have to be more carefuller than the rest of us.
:)
True.
If my brother goes to the NRL GF he’s banned from my house for 2 weeks.
I understand and approve this decision.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
:)
buffy said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:Yeah, but you have to be more carefuller than the rest of us.
:)
True.
If my brother goes to the NRL GF he’s banned from my house for 2 weeks.I understand and approve this decision.
+1
Michael V said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
:)
That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
:)
That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said::)
That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
My sister is wrong more than 50% of the time
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
My sister is wrong more than 50% of the time
And yet, out on our bush block, I can take you to the spot I’ve found particular flowers, sometimes when I’ve only seen them once or twice. I have to say, after the bushfire, it was great…no bracken and teatree and I could see through and I got a much better idea of my bearings.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
My sister is wrong more than 50% of the time
And yet, out on our bush block, I can take you to the spot I’ve found particular flowers, sometimes when I’ve only seen them once or twice. I have to say, after the bushfire, it was great…no bracken and teatree and I could see through and I got a much better idea of my bearings.
We always said it was Nanna’s Englishness. She was an immigrant. Grandpa was a third generation European Australian. Not sure what my excuse is, given by that reckoning I’ve had 5 generations to get the compass to work. She must have diluted the genes. And on Dad’s side I’m 4th or 5th gen too. (I’d have to look up my pat. grandmother, never knew her and can’t remember the details. Except her name was Clarabelle)
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said::)
That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
Not even which planet ?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
This should not still be happening. Our clinic made appointments at short notice a few months ago because there was just no certainty in delivery. I think in the end they waited until they actually had the stuff and then rang up people on The List. It worked, but it shouldn’t have been like that.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
Not even which planet ?
Sometimes it feels like that.
:)
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:Didn’t work for me. I’m like my maternal grandmother, turn me around 3 times and I have no idea where I am…
My sister is wrong more than 50% of the time
And yet, out on our bush block, I can take you to the spot I’ve found particular flowers, sometimes when I’ve only seen them once or twice. I have to say, after the bushfire, it was great…no bracken and teatree and I could see through and I got a much better idea of my bearings.
my sister is known to get stuck on roundabouts. I have seen about 20% of this place burnt out. There is still a lot of this 32 acres I have not trod.
Michael V said:
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
The ordering system is fucked. Placing an order is basically roulette for when it will turn up.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
The ordering system is fucked. Placing an order is basically roulette for when it will turn up.
As I said a few posts back, that is how it was months ago. I can’t believe it’s still like that!
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
The ordering system is fucked. Placing an order is basically roulette for when it will turn up.
I kind of gathered that, with our (serial) vax cancellations because the GP hadn’t been supplied as ordered.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
The ordering system is fucked. Placing an order is basically roulette for when it will turn up.
Doesn’t help when half of the trucking companies around the country are going on strike either. TOLL and Startrak last week or so, TNT/Fedex this week. Australia Post is so far behind they are only doing the Express Post parcels according to schedules and the regular post whenever, sometimes weeks late.
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
The ordering system is fucked. Placing an order is basically roulette for when it will turn up.
Doesn’t help when half of the trucking companies around the country are going on strike either. TOLL and Startrak last week or so, TNT/Fedex this week. Australia Post is so far behind they are only doing the Express Post parcels according to schedules and the regular post whenever, sometimes weeks late.
Delivered by Linfox or dhl.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
:)
That includes me.
For some reason, i now instinctively know where ‘north’ is.
You own inbuilt nanobot guidance system. Way kewl!! And all for free too, hey what but!
party_pants said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Regional medical staff say they faced abuse after being forced to cancel hundreds of vaccination appointments when promised extra Pfizer doses failed to arrive.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/rural-gp-clinic-forced-to-cancel-covid-vaccination-appointments/100488074
The ordering system is fucked. Placing an order is basically roulette for when it will turn up.
Doesn’t help when half of the trucking companies around the country are going on strike either. TOLL and Startrak last week or so, TNT/Fedex this week. Australia Post is so far behind they are only doing the Express Post parcels according to schedules and the regular post whenever, sometimes weeks late.
Strange. I ordered a small part for the fire brigade from NSW via ebay on Monday 27th, the estimated delivery date was 16th-18th October. It turned up on my doorstep yesterday morning(30th).
It arrived yesterday morning
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I got in early as emergency services. First AstraZenica in March, second in July.
I didn’t get better wifi, but my blood type changed to C++.
Kingy said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I got in early as emergency services. First AstraZenica in March, second in July.
I didn’t get better wifi, but my blood type changed to C++.
LOL
Kingy said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:
I am teh fully vaccinified
We must have a pretty good proportion of the forum double vaxed now.
I got in early as emergency services. First AstraZenica in March, second in July.
I didn’t get better wifi, but my blood type changed to C++.
Mr buffy was a 1b and I was a 2a. We were slightly delayed because we chose to have our fluvax first (we live in a place that has had virtually no infections with COVID19 and we thought flu was a more likely problem here, as well as having to have that to visit my Mum in care in Melbourne – which, as it turns out, we haven’t been able to do anyway) and you had to wait two weeks between. And because of the delivery problems, it was then a case of going on the list and waiting for a phone call. And we were also both on the 12week gap regime. Which ended up being a tad longer than that.
Your ABC Doing Good Work, No Bias Or Presupposition Here
Fully vaccinated Australians and permanent residents arriving in NSW will be able to home quarantine for a week, instead of paying thousands to quarantine at a hotel for a fortnight, pending the success of the state’s home quarantine trial.
What was that again¿
pending the success of the state’s home quarantine trial
Oh wait, the word “trial” means it’s going to be a success doesn’t it¿
Oh wait, “trial” means success is imminent and inevitable doesn’t it¿
Oh wait, there’s no possible way a “trial” could do anything but succeed, is there¿
SCIENCE said:
Your ABC Doing Good Work, No Bias Or Presupposition HereFully vaccinated Australians and permanent residents arriving in NSW will be able to home quarantine for a week, instead of paying thousands to quarantine at a hotel for a fortnight, pending the success of the state’s home quarantine trial.
What was that again¿
pending the success of the state’s home quarantine trial
Oh wait, the word “trial” means it’s going to be a success doesn’t it¿
Oh wait, “trial” means success is imminent and inevitable doesn’t it¿
Oh wait, there’s no possible way a “trial” could do anything but succeed, is there¿
You do a lot of waiting, Mr Science. 😛
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/01/covid-antiviral-pill-halves-hospitalisations-and-deaths-maker-says
Maybe some good news.
Supermarket giants are stepping up their push to relax contact tracing rules to avoid store closures and supply-chain disruptions as Australia heads into the next phase of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The company and the NSW government insist the rules have been accompanied by strong safety protocols to prevent outbreaks on site, including daily rapid antigen testing.
However, one Woolworths distribution centre worker says the changes have left staff feeling exposed to the virus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-02/woolworths-got-nsw-health-approval-for-different-covid-rules/100506778
Michael V said:
- NSW Health approved different rules for Woolworths warehouses that limited the circumstances in which workers must isolate
- The department cited concerns that without the changes, food supplies could be disrupted
- A union representing warehouse workers has accused the department of putting stocked shelves ahead of worker safety
- But an ABC investigation has discovered Woolworths has already won approval for its own definition of close and casual contacts for distribution centre workers in New South Wales that is less strict than the official guidelines for other businesses.
Supermarket giants are stepping up their push to relax contact tracing rules to avoid store closures and supply-chain disruptions as Australia heads into the next phase of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The company and the NSW government insist the rules have been accompanied by strong safety protocols to prevent outbreaks on site, including daily rapid antigen testing.
However, one Woolworths distribution centre worker says the changes have left staff feeling exposed to the virus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-02/woolworths-got-nsw-health-approval-for-different-covid-rules/100506778
The bottom line:
workers will have to be extra-careful to look after themselves, because their employer and their government have ceased to care.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
- NSW Health approved different rules for Woolworths warehouses that limited the circumstances in which workers must isolate
- The department cited concerns that without the changes, food supplies could be disrupted
- A union representing warehouse workers has accused the department of putting stocked shelves ahead of worker safety
- But an ABC investigation has discovered Woolworths has already won approval for its own definition of close and casual contacts for distribution centre workers in New South Wales that is less strict than the official guidelines for other businesses.
Supermarket giants are stepping up their push to relax contact tracing rules to avoid store closures and supply-chain disruptions as Australia heads into the next phase of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The company and the NSW government insist the rules have been accompanied by strong safety protocols to prevent outbreaks on site, including daily rapid antigen testing.
However, one Woolworths distribution centre worker says the changes have left staff feeling exposed to the virus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-02/woolworths-got-nsw-health-approval-for-different-covid-rules/100506778
The bottom line:
workers will have to be extra-careful to look after themselves, because their employer and their government have ceased to care.
Yes, unfortunately.
:(
Michael V said:
However, one Woolworths distribution centre worker says the changes have left staff feeling exposed to the virus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-02/woolworths-got-nsw-health-approval-for-different-covid-rules/100506778
Good old Aunty, hey what but. Is just the one all they could find???? Out of 115,000 “team members” as they call them these days?
Come on Aunty, you need to get out more. You’re letting the whingers down.
ABC News:
‘New pill could cut COVID risk in half but is ‘no substitute for vaccinating the world’
An antiviral pill developed by US drug maker Merck could halve the chances of dying or being hospitalised from COVID-19, but experts warn vaccines are still necessary.’
I’ve always thought that the name ‘Merck’ sounds like something you’d hear on a British comedy series or police drama: ‘you bloody great merck, you!’.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New pill could cut COVID risk in half but is ‘no substitute for vaccinating the world’
An antiviral pill developed by US drug maker Merck could halve the chances of dying or being hospitalised from COVID-19, but experts warn vaccines are still necessary.’I’ve always thought that the name ‘Merck’ sounds like something you’d hear on a British comedy series or police drama: ‘you bloody great merck, you!’.
bourke or berk.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New pill could cut COVID risk in half but is ‘no substitute for vaccinating the world’
An antiviral pill developed by US drug maker Merck could halve the chances of dying or being hospitalised from COVID-19, but experts warn vaccines are still necessary.’I’ve always thought that the name ‘Merck’ sounds like something you’d hear on a British comedy series or police drama: ‘you bloody great merck, you!’.
bourke or berk.
Yeah, i know that one, but it sounds like it wouldn’t sound out of place as a newish term, or some regional/local slang.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New pill could cut COVID risk in half but is ‘no substitute for vaccinating the world’
An antiviral pill developed by US drug maker Merck could halve the chances of dying or being hospitalised from COVID-19, but experts warn vaccines are still necessary.’I’ve always thought that the name ‘Merck’ sounds like something you’d hear on a British comedy series or police drama: ‘you bloody great merck, you!’.
bourke or berk.
Yeah, i know that one, but it sounds like it wouldn’t sound out of place as a newish term, or some regional/local slang.
Well, it’s not too far removed from merde…
furious said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:bourke or berk.
Yeah, i know that one, but it sounds like it wouldn’t sound out of place as a newish term, or some regional/local slang.
Well, it’s not too far removed from merde…
Ah. Franglais.
QLD: Two new locally acquired cases, both already in home quarantine.
This is a good outcome.
Michael V said:
QLD: Two new locally acquired cases, both already in home quarantine.This is a good outcome.
You can’t go into lockdown until after the nrl gf. To do do would reflect poorly on the government. The show must go on…
furious said:
Michael V said:
QLD: Two new locally acquired cases, both already in home quarantine.This is a good outcome.
You can’t go into lockdown until after the nrl gf. To do do would reflect poorly on the government. The show must go on…
To do so now…
furious said:
furious said:
Michael V said:
QLD: Two new locally acquired cases, both already in home quarantine.This is a good outcome.
You can’t go into lockdown until after the nrl gf. To do do would reflect poorly on the government. The show must go on…
To do so now…
More do do in NSW/VIC atm.
furious said:
Michael V said:
QLD: Two new locally acquired cases, both already in home quarantine.This is a good outcome.
You can’t go into lockdown until after the nrl gf. To do do would reflect poorly on the government. The show must go on…
You also can’t reasonably abandon all hope of containing the rapid spread of the virus until you’ve had a mass-attended event on which you can pin the blame, so you can throw up your hands in despair and blame the idiotic peasantry.
furious said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:bourke or berk.
Yeah, i know that one, but it sounds like it wouldn’t sound out of place as a newish term, or some regional/local slang.
Well, it’s not too far removed from merde…
Or merkin.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
Michael V said:
QLD: Two new locally acquired cases, both already in home quarantine.This is a good outcome.
You can’t go into lockdown until after the nrl gf. To do do would reflect poorly on the government. The show must go on…
You also can’t reasonably abandon all hope of containing the rapid spread of the virus until you’ve had a mass-attended event on which you can pin the blame, so you can throw up your hands in despair and blame the idiotic peasantry.
will an NRL grand final do?
We seem to have gotten away with the AFL GF last week, although a couple of Victorians manged to sneak in, they are currently being held in detention having been denied bail. But it seems the event sparked thousands of house parties back in Victoria with a number of these turning into spreader events.
I can understand the extremes – Vic had heaps of vaccinations, and so need fewer now. Meanwhile NSW is just doing what Vic did during their outbreaks but the rest of the states are a surprise.
https://youtu.be/i1GmUu3c28Y
Florida’s governor de Santis suggests that Australia is less free than China
dv said:
https://youtu.be/i1GmUu3c28Y
Florida’s governor de Santis suggests that Australia is less free than China
We are a lot freer than China. But we should be wary. This taking a step to the right all the time is taking a toll.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/i1GmUu3c28Y
Florida’s governor de Santis suggests that Australia is less free than ChinaWe are a lot freer than China. But we should be wary. This taking a step to the right all the time is taking a toll.
yeah but only the USSA is truly free
Margaret finds herself intrigued sudenly by international affairs.
Polish MP’s denounce harsh measures used by the Aust Gov during lockdowns and raise concerns about the treatment of citizens by Victoria’s police.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mariaava_101/video/7014116074438364417
Thank you for the NBC link about Florida DV.
sarahs mum said:
Margaret finds herself intrigued sudenly by international affairs.Polish MP’s denounce harsh measures used by the Aust Gov during lockdowns and raise concerns about the treatment of citizens by Victoria’s police.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mariaava_101/video/7014116074438364417Thank you for the NBC link about Florida DV.
This is presumably the same Poland that is declaring “LGBT-free zones “:
LGBT-free zones (Polish: Strefy wolne od LGBT) or LGBT ideology-free zones (Polish: Strefy wolne od ideologii LGBT) are municipalities and regions of Poland that have declared themselves unwelcoming of an alleged “LGBT ideology”, in order to ban equality marches and other LGBT events. By June 2020, some 100 municipalities (map) and five voivodships, encompassing a third of the country, had adopted resolutions which have been characterized as “LGBT-free zones”.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-free_zone
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Margaret finds herself intrigued sudenly by international affairs.Polish MP’s denounce harsh measures used by the Aust Gov during lockdowns and raise concerns about the treatment of citizens by Victoria’s police.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mariaava_101/video/7014116074438364417Thank you for the NBC link about Florida DV.
This is presumably the same Poland that is declaring “LGBT-free zones “:
LGBT-free zones (Polish: Strefy wolne od LGBT) or LGBT ideology-free zones (Polish: Strefy wolne od ideologii LGBT) are municipalities and regions of Poland that have declared themselves unwelcoming of an alleged “LGBT ideology”, in order to ban equality marches and other LGBT events. By June 2020, some 100 municipalities (map) and five voivodships, encompassing a third of the country, had adopted resolutions which have been characterized as “LGBT-free zones”.
And that. Thanks car.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/i1GmUu3c28Y
Florida’s governor de Santis suggests that Australia is less free than ChinaWe are a lot freer than China. But we should be wary. This taking a step to the right all the time is taking a toll.
isn’t it part of the problem though, sort of boxing ourselves in by comparing at every turn, is there really any liberty when reality is got that way, hasn’t the egalitarian ethic going way back probably to the functioning groups of our first ancestors offered some space, so such impositions didn’t dominate our every moment
transition said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/i1GmUu3c28Y
Florida’s governor de Santis suggests that Australia is less free than ChinaWe are a lot freer than China. But we should be wary. This taking a step to the right all the time is taking a toll.
isn’t it part of the problem though, sort of boxing ourselves in by comparing at every turn, is there really any liberty when reality is got that way, hasn’t the egalitarian ethic going way back probably to the functioning groups of our first ancestors offered some space, so such impositions didn’t dominate our every moment
Comments like that, coming from a US state which is notorious for doing all it can to disenfranchise voters and derail the outcomes of elections by various subterfuges and legal chicanery, are hardly worthy of notice.
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
sarahs mum said:We are a lot freer than China. But we should be wary. This taking a step to the right all the time is taking a toll.
isn’t it part of the problem though, sort of boxing ourselves in by comparing at every turn, is there really any liberty when reality is got that way, hasn’t the egalitarian ethic going way back probably to the functioning groups of our first ancestors offered some space, so such impositions didn’t dominate our every moment
Comments like that, coming from a US state which is notorious for doing all it can to disenfranchise voters and derail the outcomes of elections by various subterfuges and legal chicanery, are hardly worthy of notice.
yeah I have moments too when I explore my ignorability
Bump: so this info is not in a dead thread, but in one that will die soon.
From: fsm
ID: 1798336
Subject: re: COVID Sept 21 to Sept 27
Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has recognised China’s Sinovac vaccine — and Covishield, an Indian-made version of AstraZeneca — for incoming international travellers.
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must be election time soon
Michael V said:
Bump: so this info is not in a dead thread, but in one that will die soon.From: fsm
ID: 1798336
Subject: re: COVID Sept 21 to Sept 27Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
Pre existing conditions eh.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:Bump: so this info is not in a dead thread, but in one that will die soon.
From: fsm
ID: 1798336
Subject: re: COVID Sept 21 to Sept 27Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
Pre existing conditions eh.
isn’t the definition of pre-existing condition, any identifiable feature that the dead ones have, that the favoured demographic don’t
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Bump: so this info is not in a dead thread, but in one that will die soon.From: fsm
ID: 1798336
Subject: re: COVID Sept 21 to Sept 27Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
Pre existing conditions eh.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Bump: so this info is not in a dead thread, but in one that will die soon.From: fsm
ID: 1798336
Subject: re: COVID Sept 21 to Sept 27Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
Pre existing conditions eh.
Whoops. I’ve resisted linking Dr Sebastian Rushworth’s latest. There is an interview done by a German group called everything on the table. He’s one of the people interviewed.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Bump: so this info is not in a dead thread, but in one that will die soon.From: fsm
ID: 1798336
Subject: re: COVID Sept 21 to Sept 27Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
Since the pandemic began, dozens of studies have reported that many of the sickest COVID-19 patients have been people with obesity. In recent weeks, that link has come into sharper focus as large new population studies have cemented the association and demonstrated that even people who are merely overweight are at higher risk. For example, in the first metaanalysis of its kind, published on 26 August in Obesity Reviews, an international team of researchers pooled data from scores of peer-reviewed papers capturing 399,000 patients. They found that people with obesity who contracted SARS-CoV-2 were 113% more likely than people of healthy weight to land in the hospital, 74% more likely to be admitted to an ICU, and 48% more likely to die.
https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
Pre existing conditions eh.
Yes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/nicola-spurrier-gives-south-australia-coronavirus-update/100510888
Cases getting closer to you, Buffy.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/nicola-spurrier-gives-south-australia-coronavirus-update/100510888Cases getting closer to you, Buffy.
There have been a couple in Warrnambool in the last week, and we had a visit from some painters from Melbourne a couple of weeks ago in Hamilton who tested positive when they went home. They opened up the big testing shed but no locals tested positive. We’ve got our shed back for archery this week.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/nicola-spurrier-gives-south-australia-coronavirus-update/100510888Cases getting closer to you, Buffy.
There have been a couple in Warrnambool in the last week, and we had a visit from some painters from Melbourne a couple of weeks ago in Hamilton who tested positive when they went home. They opened up the big testing shed but no locals tested positive. We’ve got our shed back for archery this week.
I’ve not heard of any people in Casterton having COVID. I wonder what testing is available there.
buffy said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/nicola-spurrier-gives-south-australia-coronavirus-update/100510888Cases getting closer to you, Buffy.
There have been a couple in Warrnambool in the last week, and we had a visit from some painters from Melbourne a couple of weeks ago in Hamilton who tested positive when they went home. They opened up the big testing shed but no locals tested positive. We’ve got our shed back for archery this week.
I’ve not heard of any people in Casterton having COVID. I wonder what testing is available there.
It looks like it’s an appointment drivethrough testing at the hospital from 9.00am to 10.00am each morning.
https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/where-get-tested-covid-19#find-your-nearest-covid-19-testing-site
buffy said:
buffy said:
buffy said:There have been a couple in Warrnambool in the last week, and we had a visit from some painters from Melbourne a couple of weeks ago in Hamilton who tested positive when they went home. They opened up the big testing shed but no locals tested positive. We’ve got our shed back for archery this week.
I’ve not heard of any people in Casterton having COVID. I wonder what testing is available there.
It looks like it’s an appointment drivethrough testing at the hospital from 9.00am to 10.00am each morning.
https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/where-get-tested-covid-19#find-your-nearest-covid-19-testing-site
I like the way the assumption is that she picked it up in Casterton and took it back to Mount Gambier. The piece doesn’t say how long she was in Casterton, but it’s entirely possible she took it with her and didn’t have symptoms until she got home again.
“One of the saddest things I’ve seen over the last few weeks is people wanting the vaccination just before we put them on a life support machine,” she said.
“That is the absolute truth. I’ve seen it myself. They’re begging for the vaccination.
“They’re very young. And once we get to that, we’re about to put them on life support, it is really too late.”
I haven’t been looking at the world situation for a couple of months.
The worst countries in the world for Covid right now are all in the Caribbean:
Grenada, Antigua, St Lucia, Dominica, St Vincent, St Kitts.
Lesotho is in southern Africa,
Suriname is in south America, not far from the Caribbean,
Bulgaria, Bosnia, Montenegro, Romania are in eastern Europe, and have been hit badly before.
Put the vaccination targets over there.
Where are the vaccination targets?
They were left over there.
I see them they are over there.
Are you sure, I cant see them.
No, they are now over there.
Here, I see them, there are here.
Where?
Over there.
Where are the vaccination targets.
Over there.
Where?
There.
Well we guess the race is won.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-03/melbourne-longest-lockdown/100510710
Apparently this article demonstrates that “Elimination is actually the most sustainable strategy over the long-term, from an economic, health, and social perspective.” … but … nah that’s probably just propaganda.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2782622
well we all get there eventually, it’s inevitable remember
SCIENCE said:
well we all get there eventually, it’s inevitable remember
So the state Premiers who are using the same numbers are using the same re-election strategy?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
well we all get there eventually, it’s inevitable remember
So the state Premiers who are using the same numbers are using the same re-election strategy?
Which state premiers? The only one I know hanging their hat on those numbers was Gladys and up until recent events it looked like a populist strategy…
furious said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
well we all get there eventually, it’s inevitable remember
So the state Premiers who are using the same numbers are using the same re-election strategy?
Which state premiers? The only one I know hanging their hat on those numbers was Gladys and up until recent events it looked like a populist strategy…
Isn’t Dan also relying on the same numbers?
surprise
sibeen said:
furious said:
sibeen said:So the state Premiers who are using the same numbers are using the same re-election strategy?
Which state premiers? The only one I know hanging their hat on those numbers was Gladys and up until recent events it looked like a populist strategy…
Isn’t Dan also relying on the same numbers?
I don’t know. McGowan has basically said, to Morrison, you can cram those numbers up your… And, I believe, so has Palaszczuk…
sibeen said:
furious said:
sibeen said:So the state Premiers who are using the same numbers are using the same re-election strategy?
Which state premiers? The only one I know hanging their hat on those numbers was Gladys and up until recent events it looked like a populist strategy…
Isn’t Dan also relying on the same numbers?
And perhaps I should have expanded; I have no issue with the numbers, we’re eventually going to open the floodgates, it’s how we handle that. This virus is with us long term, we need to eventually work out a way around it.
furious said:
sibeen said:
furious said:Which state premiers? The only one I know hanging their hat on those numbers was Gladys and up until recent events it looked like a populist strategy…
Isn’t Dan also relying on the same numbers?
I don’t know. McGowan has basically said, to Morrison, you can cram those numbers up your… And, I believe, so has Palaszczuk…
They just cannot shut the borders permanently. At some point they get the virus.
sibeen said:
furious said:
sibeen said:Isn’t Dan also relying on the same numbers?
I don’t know. McGowan has basically said, to Morrison, you can cram those numbers up your… And, I believe, so has Palaszczuk…
They just cannot shut the borders permanently. At some point they get the virus.
Yeah, but the question was on election strategies. It appears some want to open them sooner as an election strategy whereas others want to keep them closed longer, also as an election strategy. It seems both strategies are working for their intended audiences…
furious said:
sibeen said:
furious said:I don’t know. McGowan has basically said, to Morrison, you can cram those numbers up your… And, I believe, so has Palaszczuk…
They just cannot shut the borders permanently. At some point they get the virus.
Yeah, but the question was on election strategies. It appears some want to open them sooner as an election strategy whereas others want to keep them closed longer, also as an election strategy. It seems both strategies are working for their intended audiences…
and some premiers throw it all down, lock in back to school and reopening plans, and then resign to let the next joker take the heat
Wales, but soon to be New South Wales
SCIENCE said:
furious said:
sibeen said:They just cannot shut the borders permanently. At some point they get the virus.
Yeah, but the question was on election strategies. It appears some want to open them sooner as an election strategy whereas others want to keep them closed longer, also as an election strategy. It seems both strategies are working for their intended audiences…
and some premiers throw it all down, lock in back to school and reopening plans, and then resign to let the next joker take the heat
Wales, but soon to be New South Wales
The number of schools with more than one case, excluding those with only one case?
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
furious said:Yeah, but the question was on election strategies. It appears some want to open them sooner as an election strategy whereas others want to keep them closed longer, also as an election strategy. It seems both strategies are working for their intended audiences…
and some premiers throw it all down, lock in back to school and reopening plans, and then resign to let the next joker take the heat
Wales, but soon to be New South Wales
The number of schools with more than one case, excluding those with only one case?
fk we d’n‘o’, we didn’t make the plot, maybe those Welsh or near-Welsh have to have this shit spelled out to them
like, mild suggestions don’t seem to have gotten the message through right
who are we to listen to (read) experts on immunity anyway
some maybe good news
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/europe/portugal-vaccination-rate.html
c’m‘on, give the clown some credit, unlike Gutless at least he’s honest
crystals are spreading
who are we to listen to (read) * experts on epidemics anyway
*: listen or read does not mean completely agree
also your metrage may vary, most of you will understand it as “yeah powerful psychopaths, good, means we need to accept lots of disease, excellent” but we understand it as “experts are accepting defeat by powerful psychopaths, sad, failure to eradicate means failure of political or social will, unacceptable”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16308491/schoolgirl-dies-covid-vaccinated/
pftf, she would probably have gotten myocarditis from the mRNA vaccine and died anyway, Let It Rip™ was the right way to go
Eighty-seven-year-old Thomas Krob of Spring Grove Ill., just 45 minutes south of Kenosha, Wi., died on Sept. 20 after experiencing rabies symptoms, the Daily Herald reported.
In mid-August, Krob woke up to a bat on his neck. While it was difficult to make out whether or not the bat left a mark on his skin, any close contact would suffice his receiving a vaccine for rabies, as the animal was caught and tested — and found to be positive for rabies. Krob, the first human rabies case in Illinois since 1954, thought differently, leaving whatever medical center he initially visited untreated.
A month later, he started feeling neck pain and headaches. His arms and fingers were difficult to control, they went numb, and suddenly, it was difficult to speak. Rabies is a virus that has to be immediately treated before it reaches one’s brain, which could take weeks or months before the victim encounters neurological symptoms such as anxiety, confusion, delirium, hallucinations, and a fear of water, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). At the Northwestern McHenry Hospital, he was pronounced dead.
oh mi, or ‘tis but a drop in the ocean
That’s Why It’s Called New South Wuhan And Not New South Guangdong
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
But the virus has repeatedly breached China’s defenses. In May, the highly infectious Delta variant caused an outbreak in the southern province of Guangdong, including in Guangzhou and Shenzhen. At that time, Guangdong was receiving 90% of all overseas travelers entering China, with about 30,000 people quarantined in its 300 centralized facilities on a daily basis, according to a provincial health official.
By late June, Guangdong had contained the outbreak — but authorities decided existing measures were not enough to shut the virus out. Zhong Nanshan, a top public health adviser to the government, told state media that Guangzhou would build a centralized quarantine facility for all overseas arrivals to enforce stricter rules.
The project kicked off quickly, with more than 4,000 workers assigned to the construction site. The facility was completed earlier this month and a first batch of 184 medical staff moved in last week to prepare for its official launch.
SCIENCE said:
crystals are spreading
Yeah, what is it with the 7 day quarantine? Is there any science that informs this new notion?
I am quite uncomfortable about this.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
crystals are spreading
Yeah, what is it with the 7 day quarantine? Is there any science that informs this new notion?
I am quite uncomfortable about this.
Link down on the left side of this to “viral shedding and the period of infectiousness” for information. A little bit below that is a section on asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spread.
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention#H166293483
SCIENCE said:
who are we to listen to (read) * experts on epidemics anyway
*: listen or read does not mean completely agree
also your metrage may vary, most of you will understand it as “yeah powerful psychopaths, good, means we need to accept lots of disease, excellent” but we understand it as “experts are accepting defeat by powerful psychopaths, sad, failure to eradicate means failure of political or social will, unacceptable”
probably some useful reality might be got from the proposition of whether elimination of covid should be technically easier with high levels of vaccination, an analysis of that proposition likely would yield some truth about the psychological and related social dimension of containment, or otherwise release
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
who are we to listen to (read) * experts on epidemics anyway
*: listen or read does not mean completely agree
also your metrage may vary, most of you will understand it as “yeah powerful psychopaths, good, means we need to accept lots of disease, excellent” but we understand it as “experts are accepting defeat by powerful psychopaths, sad, failure to eradicate means failure of political or social will, unacceptable”
probably some useful reality might be got from the proposition of whether elimination of covid should be technically easier with high levels of vaccination, an analysis of that proposition likely would yield some truth about the psychological and related social dimension of containment, or otherwise release
if the accompanying force (information around, regard) for vaccination rendered such a proposition unlikely to be asked, no analysis to be done, then i’d reckon there would be a good basis for claiming there’s propaganda at work
SCIENCE said:
who are we to listen to (read) * experts on epidemics anyway
*: listen or read does not mean completely agree
also your metrage may vary, most of you will understand it as “yeah powerful psychopaths, good, means we need to accept lots of disease, excellent” but we understand it as “experts are accepting defeat by powerful psychopaths, sad, failure to eradicate means failure of political or social will, unacceptable”
Once those who carry the genes that make them susceptible to covid are weeded out, it will be “mostly harmless”.
