New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Isn’t it also about setting examples?

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

A pox on you..

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

A pox on you..

sorry we were wearing a mask and didn’t detect any odour

anyway is DP going to donate the fine amount to an appropriate charity* or are they just calling Chairman’s bluff

*: yeah yeah we know, some coal mine or sports club should do it

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Isn’t it also about setting examples?

NSW Premiers have been setting examples for a long time.

They’re just not good exampes.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Isn’t it also about setting examples?

Yes.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Isn’t it also about setting examples?

NSW Premiers have been setting examples for a long time.

They’re just not good exampes.

Ha!

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Isn’t it also about setting examples?

NSW Premiers have been setting examples for a long time.

They’re just not good exampes.

Ha!

This is unfortunate and needs to be addressed.

VIC: 1,466 new COVID cases, eight deaths

NSW: 360 new COVID cases, five deaths

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Both states are lowering the new case load. That’s good.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100530788

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,466 new COVID cases, eight deaths

NSW: 360 new COVID cases, five deaths

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Both states are lowering the new case load. That’s good.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100530788

Waiting to see what comes of Perrottet’s roadmap.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

A pox on you..

sorry we were wearing a mask and didn’t detect any odour

anyway is DP going to donate the fine amount to an appropriate charity* or are they just calling Chairman’s bluff

*: yeah yeah we know, some coal mine or sports club should do it

Really? Do you have a reference for DP offering to fund a charity because he was caught breaking the rules?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

Um, why is that smelly?

It seems to me that it clearly shows there is one rule for the elite and another for the plebs in NSW.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,466 new COVID cases, eight deaths

NSW: 360 new COVID cases, five deaths

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Both states are lowering the new case load. That’s good.
———————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100530788

Waiting to see what comes of Perrottet’s roadmap.

We’ll know in a fortnight. I wait with bated breath.

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

New thread. The last thread was getting a bit smelly; it was past it’s use-by date.

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NSW Premier avoids COVID fine.

Premier Dominic Perrottet has avoided a fine from NSW Police after he was spotted breaching the public health orders at a media press conference yesterday.

Mr Perrottet was seen drinking a beer while standing up at Watson’s Pub in Moore Park right before speaking to the cameras, but NSW Police have confirmed they have applied “discretion”.

“Compliance with COVID-19 restrictions within a venue are the responsibility of the business owner/manager,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

“In this instance, which was an organised media event before the venue opened to patrons, police have applied discretion.”

NSW Police spoke to the owner but decided against issuing an infringement notice for the breach.

Officers from Surry Hills Police Area Command said they have since spoken with the licensee and reminded him of his obligations under the Public Health Act.

Mr Perrottet is the second state leader found to breach COVID rules this week after Victorian Premier Dan Andrews was issued a $400 fine for not wearing a mask.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sydney-news-dominic-perrottet-avoids-covid-fine-after-beer/100530910

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-08/police-investigate-video-of-daniel-andrews-without-mask/100523614

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

Um, why is that smelly?

It seems to me that it clearly shows there is one rule for the elite and another for the plebs in NSW.

Isn’t that smelly?

Anyway, no reflection on the person who posted the smelly post intended :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shakes head.

You complain of smelly threads, then start a new one with that piece?

Um, why is that smelly?

It seems to me that it clearly shows there is one rule for the elite and another for the plebs in NSW.

Isn’t that smelly?

Anyway, no reflection on the person who posted the smelly post intended :)

I see where you are coming from now. Yes. Different rule-application for elites and plebs is really smelly.

DA got a $400 fine for not wearing a mask in an empty car park.
DP avoids a fine for not wearing a mask in a pub.

Makes sense. Carry on.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,466 new COVID cases, eight deaths

NSW: 360 new COVID cases, five deaths

———————————————————————————-
Both states are lowering the new case load. That’s good.
———————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100530788

Waiting to see what comes of Perrottet’s roadmap.

We’ll know in a fortnight. I wait with bated breath.

That’ll be the rollmops.

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Um, why is that smelly?

It seems to me that it clearly shows there is one rule for the elite and another for the plebs in NSW.

Isn’t that smelly?

Anyway, no reflection on the person who posted the smelly post intended :)

I see where you are coming from now. Yes. Different rule-application for elites and plebs is really smelly.

but what about elites who really are elite

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Waiting to see what comes of Perrottet’s roadmap.

We’ll know in a fortnight. I wait with bated breath.

That’ll be the rollmops.

really if the UK experience is anything to go by, the cases should keep decreasing for a little bit, and then schools open and wholly fucked

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Waiting to see what comes of Perrottet’s roadmap.

We’ll know in a fortnight. I wait with bated breath.

That’ll be the rollmops.

Ha!

We do go shopping once a fortnight, so I expect so.

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

DA got a $400 fine for not wearing a mask in an empty car park.
DP avoids a fine for not wearing a mask in a pub.

Makes sense. Carry on.

^

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

DA got a $400 fine for not wearing a mask in an empty car park.
DP avoids a fine for not wearing a mask in a pub.

Makes sense. Carry on.

^

Yesterday’s Qld figures:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

DA got a $400 fine for not wearing a mask in an empty car park.
DP avoids a fine for not wearing a mask in a pub.

Makes sense. Carry on.

^

Yesterday’s Qld figures:

Come on QLD. Better extract that digit on them test and vaccine numbers.

laugh out loud

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-10-12/covid-vaccine-immunity-waning-but-by-how-much/100019844

SCIENCE said:

laugh out loud

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-10-12/covid-vaccine-immunity-waning-but-by-how-much/100019844

How effective are they against Covid 20 when it comes out

Matt Canavan supports them, their stupidity and their nonsense.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/singleton-caledonian-hotel-fined-for-covid-vaccination-breaches/100531514

100% agree!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100530788

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/ama-critical-of-nsw-for-putting-covid-19-health-advice-second/100531398

Melbourne, what can I do?

You cannot leave your home other than for one of the six following reasons:

shopping for necessary goods and services (once per day, one person per household) caregiving or compassionate reasons, including medical care or to get a COVID-19 test authorised work (with a permit) or permitted education exercise (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent outdoors socialising in limited groups) outdoor social interaction in limited groups (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent on exercise) to get a COVID-19 vaccination (provided the distance travelled, and the time taken is no more than is absolutely necessary)

A stay-at-home curfew is in place for metropolitan Melbourne. Between 9:00pm and 5:00am

You must stay within 15km of your home for shopping and exercise.

If you need to show proof of vaccination you can use the vaccination card.

mollwollfumble said:

Melbourne, what can I do?

You cannot leave your home other than for one of the six following reasons:

shopping for necessary goods and services (once per day, one person per household) caregiving or compassionate reasons, including medical care or to get a COVID-19 test authorised work (with a permit) or permitted education exercise (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent outdoors socialising in limited groups) outdoor social interaction in limited groups (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent on exercise) to get a COVID-19 vaccination (provided the distance travelled, and the time taken is no more than is absolutely necessary)

A stay-at-home curfew is in place for metropolitan Melbourne. Between 9:00pm and 5:00am

You must stay within 15km of your home for shopping and exercise.

If you need to show proof of vaccination you can use the vaccination card.

What would you like to do?

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Melbourne, what can I do?

You cannot leave your home other than for one of the six following reasons:

shopping for necessary goods and services (once per day, one person per household) caregiving or compassionate reasons, including medical care or to get a COVID-19 test authorised work (with a permit) or permitted education exercise (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent outdoors socialising in limited groups) outdoor social interaction in limited groups (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent on exercise) to get a COVID-19 vaccination (provided the distance travelled, and the time taken is no more than is absolutely necessary)

A stay-at-home curfew is in place for metropolitan Melbourne. Between 9:00pm and 5:00am

You must stay within 15km of your home for shopping and exercise.

If you need to show proof of vaccination you can use the vaccination card.

What would you like to do?

wait are police state increasing restrictions we thought freedom day was coming

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Melbourne, what can I do?

You cannot leave your home other than for one of the six following reasons:

shopping for necessary goods and services (once per day, one person per household) caregiving or compassionate reasons, including medical care or to get a COVID-19 test authorised work (with a permit) or permitted education exercise (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent outdoors socialising in limited groups) outdoor social interaction in limited groups (once a day for up to 4 hours, and that 4 hours includes any time spent on exercise) to get a COVID-19 vaccination (provided the distance travelled, and the time taken is no more than is absolutely necessary)

A stay-at-home curfew is in place for metropolitan Melbourne. Between 9:00pm and 5:00am

You must stay within 15km of your home for shopping and exercise.

If you need to show proof of vaccination you can use the vaccination card.

What would you like to do?

wait are police state increasing restrictions we thought freedom day was coming

Moll seems to take a while to catch up with the news.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

What would you like to do?

wait are police state increasing restrictions we thought freedom day was coming

Moll seems to take a while to catch up with the news.

Is the curfew still in place in Melbourne? (I’m losing track of where we are at, although we are regional so have free movement)

I had to look it up:

…

Can I go out at night?
People in metropolitan Melbourne must stay home between 9pm and 5am. The curfew is not in place for regional Victorian local government areas under lockdown orders.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/11/victoria-lockdown-restrictions-covid-19-melbourne-coronavirus-new-rules-latest-update-covid19-explained-5km-radius-travel-face-masks-compulsory-exercising-home-gatherings-intimate-partner-what-you-need-to-know

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

wait are police state increasing restrictions we thought freedom day was coming

Moll seems to take a while to catch up with the news.

Is the curfew still in place in Melbourne? (I’m losing track of where we are at, although we are regional so have free movement)

Moll is still locked down but I don’t know if that’s got anything to do with the pandemic.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Moll seems to take a while to catch up with the news.

Is the curfew still in place in Melbourne? (I’m losing track of where we are at, although we are regional so have free movement)

Moll is still locked down but I don’t know if that’s got anything to do with the pandemic.

LOLOL

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Duty of care.

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Craig Kelly says no.

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Surprisingly the directive makes no mention of contractors.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Surprisingly the directive makes no mention of contractors.

Huh!

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Craig Kelly says no.

CK makes too much noise. He’s a giant hot-fart machine, and nothing else.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Craig Kelly says no.

Margaret sent me a Craig Kelly tiktok. I responded, ‘ I hate Craig Kelly. She responded,‘Who’s Craig Kelly?’

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Surprisingly the directive makes no mention of contractors.

Huh!

On some Telstra sites the contractors will outnumbers Telstra’s staff. Quite strange.

• She responded,‘Who’s Craig Kelly?’

Collingwood premiership player and, it seems, promoter of bizarre golf techniques…

“He also unsuccessfully attempted to introduce the ‘Bandit Method’ into Australian golf. A theory that requires its students to exclusively chip one handed from inside 20 metres of the green. Craig named his school after the method ‘One Armed Bandits’ however it recently closed due to a lack of students.”

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Craig Kelly says no.

Margaret sent me a Craig Kelly tiktok. I responded, ‘ I hate Craig Kelly. She responded,‘Who’s Craig Kelly?’

LOL

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Craig Kelly says no.

Do MPs have to be vaccinated, like in other jobs?

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

What about their Indian call centres?

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Surprisingly the directive makes no mention of contractors.

Huh!

On some Telstra sites the contractors will outnumbers Telstra’s staff. Quite strange.

Very.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Telstra has decided that if you work for them and are in a role where you cannot work from home then you are going to be required to be vaccinated.

Craig Kelly says no.

Do MPs have to be vaccinated, like in other jobs?

Didn’t they all make sure they were vaccinated before the stuff was sent out to anyone else? And made sure they were televised doing it? And then complained that everyone else was being slow to get the vaccines that hadn’t been delivered yet?

(Only a little bit cynical)

furious said:

• She responded,‘Who’s Craig Kelly?’

Collingwood premiership player and, it seems, promoter of bizarre golf techniques…

“He also unsuccessfully attempted to introduce the ‘Bandit Method’ into Australian golf. A theory that requires its students to exclusively chip one handed from inside 20 metres of the green. Craig named his school after the method ‘One Armed Bandits’ however it recently closed due to a lack of students.”

Do I attract you? Do I repulse you with my queasy smile?
Am I too dirty? Am I too flirty? Do I like what you like?
I could be wholesome, I could be loathsome, I guess I’m a little bit shy
Why don’t you like me? Why don’t you like me without making me try?

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Craig Kelly says no.

Do MPs have to be vaccinated, like in other jobs?

Didn’t they all make sure they were vaccinated before the stuff was sent out to anyone else? And made sure they were televised doing it? And then complained that everyone else was being slow to get the vaccines that hadn’t been delivered yet?

(Only a little bit cynical)

tick

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Do MPs have to be vaccinated, like in other jobs?

Didn’t they all make sure they were vaccinated before the stuff was sent out to anyone else? And made sure they were televised doing it? And then complained that everyone else was being slow to get the vaccines that hadn’t been delivered yet?

(Only a little bit cynical)

tick

^

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sa-qr-check-in-data-audit/100533790

Not ideal.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/sa-qr-check-in-data-audit/100533790

Not ideal.

so ¿ the pandemic has ended then ?

The report found SA Health’s approach was “not consistent” with an order made by State Records of South Australia that all check-in data collected should be “destroyed as soon as practicable when no longer required … or immediately following the declaration of the end of the pandemic”.

Covid: UK’s early response worst public health failure ever

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58876089

Amid federal pressure to reopen internal and international borders by Christmas, Dr Moy said what was in the interest of some states was likely to be detrimental to others.

“The issue with New South Wales is that politically but also psychologically but also practically, they’re coming from a half-full-type situation. They’ve got lots of cases, it’s a bonus in terms of relaxation,” he said.

“Here we’ve got a different context. We’re coming from no cases, we’ve actually had freedom.”

—

Lies, everyone knows that Dying Living With COVID-19® is the real freedom.

The Western Australian Government has finalised a swathe of new marine safety rules that will see yet another Labor police state become increasingly authoritarian.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-12/mandatory-life-jackets-for-wa-to-reduce-deaths-at-sea/100532672

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

Yes, and here they are:

NSW: 444 new local cases, four deaths

More than 105,000 tests.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100533930

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

That’s coz there far less of them, and they can use their fingers to add them up.

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

Yes, and here they are:

NSW: 444 new local cases, four deaths

More than 105,000 tests.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100533930

That’s coz there far less of them, and they can use their fingers to add them up.

going back up already damn

Woodie said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

That’s coz there far less of them, and they can use their fingers to add them up.

Or maybe they just stop counting when they run out of fingers now.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

That’s coz there far less of them, and they can use their fingers to add them up.

Or maybe they just stop counting when they run out of fingers now.

It’s Covid not leprosy.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

Yes, and here they are:

NSW: 444 new local cases, four deaths

More than 105,000 tests.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100533930

That’s a big bump in test numbers in NSW. They must be batching them or something. The umber has been in the 80,000s the last few days.

https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-tests/nsw

Michael V said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

Yes, and here they are:

NSW: 444 new local cases, four deaths

More than 105,000 tests.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100533930

VIC: 1,571 new local cases, 13 deaths

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

Yes, and here they are:

NSW: 444 new local cases, four deaths

More than 105,000 tests.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100533930

VIC: 1,571 new local cases, 13 deaths

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Yes, and here they are:

NSW: 444 new local cases, four deaths

More than 105,000 tests.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100533930

VIC: 1,571 new local cases, 13 deaths

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

Is Dan Dodgy though?

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,571 new local cases, 13 deaths

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

Is Dan Dodgy though?

He’s very unpopular with the EV crowd, as Victoria has introduced a distance-based tax on EV rego. The more K’s you do the more you pay. You’re required to provide a photo of the odometer in your car when to do the rego thing.
I can understand the dislike of it, but equally I can understand the need for some kind of levy to take up the slack from the reducing petrol/diesel fuel sales & their component of road maintenance revenue.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

buffy said:

NSW is reporting their numbers a lot earlier now than they were a week or so ago.

That’s coz there far less of them, and they can use their fingers to add them up.

Or maybe they just stop counting when they run out of fingers now.

Don’t forget ya toes, Mr Dodgy Rev. You can count with ya toes too.

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

Is Dan Dodgy though?

He’s very unpopular with the EV crowd, as Victoria has introduced a distance-based tax on EV rego. The more K’s you do the more you pay. You’re required to provide a photo of the odometer in your car when to do the rego thing.
I can understand the dislike of it, but equally I can understand the need for some kind of levy to take up the slack from the reducing petrol/diesel fuel sales & their component of road maintenance revenue.

I understand that he’s unpopular with some, but is Dan Dodgy?

(I personally think the EV thing is completely bonkers. They should be able to find another way to fund roads – and encourage EV take-up. Initially, a big-fat-tax on hydrocarbon fuels that goes up each year might be a start. Later, General Revenue might be a place to look.)

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,571 new local cases, 13 deaths

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

Is Dan Dodgy though?

Dodgy? Dunno. But love the name. Dodgy Dan. Dodgy Dan. Yeah. Sounds like some sorta western ruffian gun slinger, hey what but.

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

Is Dan Dodgy though?

Dodgy? Dunno. But love the name. Dodgy Dan. Dodgy Dan. Yeah. Sounds like some sorta western ruffian gun slinger, hey what but.

I like the NSW one: Domestic Parrot.

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe Dan should resign.

Worked in NSW.

Is Dan Dodgy though?

He’s very unpopular with the EV crowd, as Victoria has introduced a distance-based tax on EV rego. The more K’s you do the more you pay. You’re required to provide a photo of the odometer in your car when to do the rego thing.
I can understand the dislike of it, but equally I can understand the need for some kind of levy to take up the slack from the reducing petrol/diesel fuel sales & their component of road maintenance revenue.

We need a price on GHG emissions, not a price on not emitting GHG.

That said, there are limits on what can be done about it at state level (but I still think a new tax on using electric vehicles is a terrible idea).

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Is Dan Dodgy though?

He’s very unpopular with the EV crowd, as Victoria has introduced a distance-based tax on EV rego. The more K’s you do the more you pay. You’re required to provide a photo of the odometer in your car when to do the rego thing.
I can understand the dislike of it, but equally I can understand the need for some kind of levy to take up the slack from the reducing petrol/diesel fuel sales & their component of road maintenance revenue.

I understand that he’s unpopular with some, but is Dan Dodgy?

(I personally think the EV thing is completely bonkers. They should be able to find another way to fund roads – and encourage EV take-up. Initially, a big-fat-tax on hydrocarbon fuels that goes up each year might be a start. Later, General Revenue might be a place to look.)

Yep, I totally agree.

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

He’s very unpopular with the EV crowd, as Victoria has introduced a distance-based tax on EV rego. The more K’s you do the more you pay. You’re required to provide a photo of the odometer in your car when to do the rego thing.
I can understand the dislike of it, but equally I can understand the need for some kind of levy to take up the slack from the reducing petrol/diesel fuel sales & their component of road maintenance revenue.

I understand that he’s unpopular with some, but is Dan Dodgy?

(I personally think the EV thing is completely bonkers. They should be able to find another way to fund roads – and encourage EV take-up. Initially, a big-fat-tax on hydrocarbon fuels that goes up each year might be a start. Later, General Revenue might be a place to look.)

Yep, I totally agree.

Make the EV makers produce an inexpensive vehicle.
I’d go EV if I could buy a new one for the $15,000 I spent on my ICE car. The 500km range is a bonus.

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

He’s very unpopular with the EV crowd, as Victoria has introduced a distance-based tax on EV rego. The more K’s you do the more you pay. You’re required to provide a photo of the odometer in your car when to do the rego thing.
I can understand the dislike of it, but equally I can understand the need for some kind of levy to take up the slack from the reducing petrol/diesel fuel sales & their component of road maintenance revenue.

I understand that he’s unpopular with some, but is Dan Dodgy?

(I personally think the EV thing is completely bonkers. They should be able to find another way to fund roads – and encourage EV take-up. Initially, a big-fat-tax on hydrocarbon fuels that goes up each year might be a start. Later, General Revenue might be a place to look.)

Yep, I totally agree.

But you really end up taxing the poor at a higher rate. It’s not your lower socio economic ladder types who are rushing out to buy the latest EV.

Yay. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/clive-palmer-loses-battle-against-state-of-western-australia/100534312

Tamb said:

Make the EV makers produce an inexpensive vehicle.
I’d go EV if I could buy a new one for the $15,000 I spent on my ICE car. The 500km range is a bonus.

They are getting steadily more affordable. I’ve been tentatively looking at a second-hand Nissan Leaf for an around-town car.

so uh if we went all EV will that halt COVID-19 transmission in the community, we presume air pollution has an effect but doesn’t it encourage more masking

And in today’s Sweden Stalk, still at number 51 on the deaths per million population table. South Africa pushed them off number 50 yesterday or the day before, and Iran is coming up fast from behind now. Ukraine is trying hard to catch up too.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

sarahs mum said:

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

What city?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

What city?

HObart.

Flew in from Melbourne on Monday.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

What city?

HObart.

Flew in from Melbourne on Monday.

I wonder if the runners from quarantine have criminal histories, something to predict them taking off (that’s an assumption of course)

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

What city?

HObart.

Flew in from Melbourne on Monday.

I wonder if the runners from quarantine have criminal histories, something to predict them taking off (that’s an assumption of course)

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

What city?

HObart.

Flew in from Melbourne on Monday.

That’s it.

As of now, all hotel-quarantine inmates are to be put into induced comas, intubated, drip-fed, catheterised for the duration of their stay.

Today’s Qld figures

Tamb said:

Today’s Qld figures

We can still only dream of achieving NSW’s gold standard.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Today’s Qld figures

We can still only dream of achieving NSW’s gold standard.

Don’t despair yet. You need to do about 10 times more tests. You could work on that…

:)

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

#BREAKING A Travelodge Covid quarantine hotel guest who breached quarantine, leaving his hotel room and travelling to the northern suburbs has tested positive to the virus. 📍 LATEST: bit.ly/3FGeGNI

What city?

HObart.

Flew in from Melbourne on Monday.

So how did he get out? Jumped out the bathroom window?

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Today’s Qld figures

We can still only dream of achieving NSW’s gold standard.

Don’t despair yet. You need to do about 10 times more tests. You could work on that…

:)

Regardless of number of tests, still only 7 deaths since the pandemic started.

consistent findings continue to be consistent

how odd and surprising

well come on, be fair, if you play “died with COVID-19” then comparing to “died with influenza” seems valid, and doesn’t influenza cause some of that pneumonia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/queensland-western-australia-reopening-borders-living-with-covid/100534814

The pressure is growing on Queensland and Western Australia to explain what living with COVID-19 will look like

here

The Northern Territory government has acknowledged … Indigenous lives at risk … warning shipping containers and cold storage facilities may be used as mass mortuaries in a worst-case scenario.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/nt-remote-vaccination-warning-covid-outbreak/100536088

oh wait that’s dying with COVID-19, funny that, probably the same thing

Michelle said, barring her daughter and older son, the rest of the family were either fully or partially vaccinated. “COVID, without the protection of the vaccine, had done this to her,” Michelle said. “There was no other reason she was in ICU.” Michelle implored other families to get vaccinated. “No parent should see their child suffer and almost die. Don’t leave it until it’s too late,” she said. “Please consider the vaccine.”

Saela said she was living with the scars, both mental and physical. “I don’t know the lasting effects COVID will have on me. I’m still recovering,” she said. “I’m not 100 per cent with my strength yet. My mind is still fragile. My bruises are fading. I’ll have this scar from the tracheotomy on my neck for the rest of my life.” Saela urged youngsters to get vaccinated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/covid-teenager-vaccine-box-hill-hospital-/100534876

Nice, now tell some 0 to 12 year olds to please consider the vaccine, urge them to get vaccinated, they’re only the ones that don’t have {compulsory things like school or services needed for working parents like childcare} and know how to wear masks properly and never run around spraying snot everywhere, they’re only the ones that have the longest chronic COVID-19 to look forward to, they’re only the ones who will be looking after their COVID-19-demented parents / grandparents / selfish older generations.

Oh, wait.

SCIENCE said:

well come on, be fair, if you play “died with COVID-19” then comparing to “died with influenza” seems valid, and doesn’t influenza cause some of that pneumonia

Not quite sure what the are trying to say there, is Covid just like the flu get over it ?

People don’t isolate for the flu (large scale) and die, people did isolate for Covid (half arsed for sure) but significant numbers still died, imagine if we did nothing, probably have deaths in the range of a 100 million

Cymek said:

People don’t isolate for the flu (large scale) and die, people did isolate for Covid (half arsed for sure) but significant numbers still died, imagine if we did nothing, probably have deaths in the range of a 100 million

Looks at earlier last year for Sweden and you’ll get the idea. Massive number of deaths for the population.

Spiny Norman said:

Cymek said:

People don’t isolate for the flu (large scale) and die, people did isolate for Covid (half arsed for sure) but significant numbers still died, imagine if we did nothing, probably have deaths in the range of a 100 million

Looks at earlier last year for Sweden and you’ll get the idea. Massive number of deaths for the population.

waits for Buffy

Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Cymek said:

People don’t isolate for the flu (large scale) and die, people did isolate for Covid (half arsed for sure) but significant numbers still died, imagine if we did nothing, probably have deaths in the range of a 100 million

Looks at earlier last year for Sweden and you’ll get the idea. Massive number of deaths for the population.

waits for Buffy

I’m looking the other way. I did the Sweden Stalk report earlier. If you missed it, they are dropping down the deaths per million table. Now down at 52. This means there are 51 countries with a worse deaths per million record. Iran and Ukraine are presently trying to take their place and put them lower.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks at earlier last year for Sweden and you’ll get the idea. Massive number of deaths for the population.

waits for Buffy

I’m looking the other way. I did the Sweden Stalk report earlier. If you missed it, they are dropping down the deaths per million table. Now down at 52. This means there are 51 countries with a worse deaths per million record. Iran and Ukraine are presently trying to take their place and put them lower.

Sure, but only because they finally realised that they’d made a huge mistake last year and also the vaccines have arrived, etc.

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

waits for Buffy

I’m looking the other way. I did the Sweden Stalk report earlier. If you missed it, they are dropping down the deaths per million table. Now down at 52. This means there are 51 countries with a worse deaths per million record. Iran and Ukraine are presently trying to take their place and put them lower.

Sure, but only because they finally realised that they’d made a huge mistake last year and also the vaccines have arrived, etc.

So doesn’t that mean all the other countries should also have learnt and not be dying off so much now?

buffy said:

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

I’m looking the other way. I did the Sweden Stalk report earlier. If you missed it, they are dropping down the deaths per million table. Now down at 52. This means there are 51 countries with a worse deaths per million record. Iran and Ukraine are presently trying to take their place and put them lower.

Sure, but only because they finally realised that they’d made a huge mistake last year and also the vaccines have arrived, etc.

So doesn’t that mean all the other countries should also have learnt and not be dying off so much now?

You’d hope so, but it’s easy to see that they haven’t.
Us included. Maybe three weeks ago we were 126 on the Worldometer COVID list, we’re now about to race up to #102. :(

Sorry, #101 on the list. :(

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Sure, but only because they finally realised that they’d made a huge mistake last year and also the vaccines have arrived, etc.

So doesn’t that mean all the other countries should also have learnt and not be dying off so much now?

You’d hope so, but it’s easy to see that they haven’t.
Us included. Maybe three weeks ago we were 126 on the Worldometer COVID list, we’re now about to race up to #102. :(

But down at #170 on the deaths column. i think that’s a higher order indicator.

sibeen said:

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

So doesn’t that mean all the other countries should also have learnt and not be dying off so much now?

You’d hope so, but it’s easy to see that they haven’t.
Us included. Maybe three weeks ago we were 126 on the Worldometer COVID list, we’re now about to race up to #102. :(

But down at #170 on the deaths column. i think that’s a higher order indicator.

No matter, we of all nations, could do with less people dying before their time.

SCIENCE said:

well come on, be fair, if you play “died with COVID-19” then comparing to “died with influenza” seems valid, and doesn’t influenza cause some of that pneumonia

last time I checked the present range of seasonal influenza didn’t have anything near the same affinity with epithelial cells, couldn’t be said to be a vascular disease, and wasn’t anywhere near as likely to result in sequelae from damage that way

some people are trying to incline others to incorporate their concept of covid into the same category as seasonal flu, common colds, but there is no escaping the fact it is a very serious addition to the range of infections circulating

if you incorporate it into your concept of common colds and flu it’s more like subtraction, in a way, negation maybe, but the reality is it’s something else, something extra, and if anyone wants to test that then try getting covid and flu at the same time, organize beforehand someone else to report back the results, in case it doesn’t go so well. All for science you know

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

well come on, be fair, if you play “died with COVID-19” then comparing to “died with influenza” seems valid, and doesn’t influenza cause some of that pneumonia

last time I checked the present range of seasonal influenza didn’t have anything near the same affinity with epithelial cells, couldn’t be said to be a vascular disease, and wasn’t anywhere near as likely to result in sequelae from damage that way

some people are trying to incline others to incorporate their concept of covid into the same category as seasonal flu, common colds, but there is no escaping the fact it is a very serious addition to the range of infections circulating

if you incorporate it into your concept of common colds and flu it’s more like subtraction, in a way, negation maybe, but the reality is it’s something else, something extra, and if anyone wants to test that then try getting covid and flu at the same time, organize beforehand someone else to report back the results, in case it doesn’t go so well. All for science you know

Being a coronavirus, it is a cold rather than a flu.

sarahs mum said:

fk gutless

roughbarked said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

well come on, be fair, if you play “died with COVID-19” then comparing to “died with influenza” seems valid, and doesn’t influenza cause some of that pneumonia

last time I checked the present range of seasonal influenza didn’t have anything near the same affinity with epithelial cells, couldn’t be said to be a vascular disease, and wasn’t anywhere near as likely to result in sequelae from damage that way

some people are trying to incline others to incorporate their concept of covid into the same category as seasonal flu, common colds, but there is no escaping the fact it is a very serious addition to the range of infections circulating

if you incorporate it into your concept of common colds and flu it’s more like subtraction, in a way, negation maybe, but the reality is it’s something else, something extra, and if anyone wants to test that then try getting covid and flu at the same time, organize beforehand someone else to report back the results, in case it doesn’t go so well. All for science you know

Being a coronavirus, it is a cold rather than a flu.

see our previous unsolicited posts about how some people are calling it the rheumatic fever of the century and how others recognise that being a SARS and practically nobody called SARS a cold at the time it would seem to be different again

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/woman-charged-over-alleged-fake-covid-medical-exemptions/100514634

A 45-year-old woman has been arrested on the Gold Coast and charged with allegedly pretending to be a doctor and issuing fake “medical exemption” certificates for COVID-19. The certificates state a person is exempt from undergoing COVID testing, receiving a vaccine and wearing a mask. It will be alleged that the woman told police she had issued approximately 600 false COVID certificates.

—

but at least let’s have some good news

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/wilcannia-records-zero-covid-cases-after-major-outbreak/100534558

There are now zero active cases of COVID-19 in Wilcannia after local health authorities declared the last two infected people free of the virus. The Far West Local Health District said all 152 people who contracted COVID-19 – more than 20 per cent of the town’s population – have recovered. It is a stunning turnaround for the remote, predominantly Aboriginal town, which has emerged from Australia’s worst COVID outbreak per capita with only one hospitalisation from the virus.

Wilcannia Baarkindji man Owen Whyman said he was taken aback by how quickly his town was able to get on top of the outbreak. “It was a big surprise to myself and, I suppose, to the community,” he said. “They didn’t realise how quick this would end, but everyone got together and went and got tested. “Thanks to those who got vaccinated … it was good for the community and it’s just good to be out and about.”

we suppose CHINA got the right idea about the right strategy, do some saturation testing, end the outbreak yesterday

nah we couldn’t be like them, they’re COMMUNISTS they need to keep their citizens slaves alive to suck the living souls out of them

Sophia Moermond, WA MLC for the Legalise Marijuana party, is refusing to disclose her vaccination status, setting herself up for a battle against Mark McGowan’s parliamentary vaccination mandate.

NSW: 406 new local COVID-19 cases, six deaths.

(Justin)

dv said:

Sophia Moermond, WA MLC for the Legalise Marijuana party, is refusing to disclose her vaccination status, setting herself up for a battle against Mark McGowan’s parliamentary vaccination mandate.

Some people.

sigh

Michael V said:

dv said:

Sophia Moermond, WA MLC for the Legalise Marijuana party, is refusing to disclose her vaccination status, setting herself up for a battle against Mark McGowan’s parliamentary vaccination mandate.

Some people.

sigh

Seems silly.

Michael V said:

NSW: 406 new local COVID-19 cases, six deaths.

(Justin)

VIC: 2,297 new local cases, 11 deaths.

That’s the highest daily case count an Australian jurisdiction has recorded since the pandemic started.

Eeeek!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100537398

https://www.aap.com.au/hospital-numbers-key-to-easing-lockdowns/

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 406 new local COVID-19 cases, six deaths.

(Justin)

VIC: 2,297 new local cases, 11 deaths.

That’s the highest daily case count an Australian jurisdiction has recorded since the pandemic started.

Eeeek!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100537398

Almost as many tests as NSW yesterday. NSW testing is quite a bit lower than it was a couple of weeks ago.

Scientists abused and threatened for discussing Covid, global survey finds

sarahs mum said:

The Premier told state parliament on Thursday that the 31-year-old — who flew into Hobart from Melbourne on Monday — had refused to wear a mask since being found by police at a home in Bridgewater on Tuesday afternoon.

“This individual is not being cooperative, and in fact has been very difficult to deal with,” Mr Gutwein said.

Mr Gutwein said a review of security at the Travelodge was underway and additional cameras were being installed.

He said contact tracers had identified 38 primary close contacts of the man so far, including 13 police officers.

There are 12 casual contacts of the man, and another 32 people are in quarantine waiting to learn whether they are a contact at all.

She reckons she’s done nothing wrong!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/fake-doctor-alleged-false-covid-exemptions/100539676

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt confirmed this morning the government would not renew its contract with CSL beyond the 51 million doses the company had already promised to deliver.

The company was expected to wind up production of AstraZeneca in Australia early next year.

—

so we’re apparently dumping the best vaccine option that’s out there hey

“And people will say, ‘I don’t like this. I want to go to the shops without wearing a mask’.

“Well, get vaccinated.”

—

Mark on the verge of getting it wrong.

SCIENCE said:

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt confirmed this morning the government would not renew its contract with CSL beyond the 51 million doses the company had already promised to deliver.

The company was expected to wind up production of AstraZeneca in Australia early next year.

—

so we’re apparently dumping the best vaccine option that’s out there hey

They should continue to manufacture and then donate to poor countries.

For our own good, of course.

Michael V said:

She reckons she’s done nothing wrong!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/fake-doctor-alleged-false-covid-exemptions/100539676

A woman charged with pretending to be a doctor and issuing 600 fake “medical exemption” certificates for COVID-19 “doesn’t believe she’s done anything wrong” and is “entitled” to issue the certificates, Queensland police say.

Police said the woman does not hold a medical doctorate and is not registered as a health practitioner within Australia

She was charging up to $150 for fake “medical exemption” certificates

She faces fines up to $10,000 and potential jail time

—

One. Entitled. There you go.

Two. How many certificates at $150 each ¿ Oh, 600 ¿ So up to $90000 at a cost of $10000 and a stay in a serviced room ¿ Well isn’t that a tidy profit then ¿

Probably part of the Corruption Coalition.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt confirmed this morning the government would not renew its contract with CSL beyond the 51 million doses the company had already promised to deliver.

The company was expected to wind up production of AstraZeneca in Australia early next year.

—

so we’re apparently dumping the best vaccine option that’s out there hey

They should continue to manufacture and then donate to poor countries.

For our own good, of course.

We mean mRNA ones probably actually are better, so if Chairman followed through on his plans then maybe Victoria could export those instead, why not give a better product to those in need.

But yes imagine giving to the poor.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/woman-pleads-guilty-to-quarantine-breaches/100539928

Amazingly this woman aged 8 years due to the experience.

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/woman-pleads-guilty-to-quarantine-breaches/100539928

Amazingly this woman aged 8 years due to the experience.

Actually, that’s just me showing off my dyslexic side.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/woman-pleads-guilty-to-quarantine-breaches/100539928

Amazingly this woman aged 8 years due to the experience.

Actually, that’s just me showing off my dyslexic side.

You were looking at the date, weren’t you.

(You made me go and read the article, damn you!)

The End

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/truck-driver-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-going-to-sa-big-w/100540930

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

SCIENCE said:

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

What country is that from?

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

What country is that from?

looks like CA from their profile

https://twitter.com/rn_critcare

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

What country is that from?

looks like CA from their profile

https://twitter.com/rn_critcare

A universal theme on Sorry AntiVaxxer is the call for urgent prayers! from anti-vaxx activists dying of Covid, and their relatives.

SCIENCE said:

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

So many margarets.

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

while we’re doing the world tour, here’s the imperial motherland

you all may laugh but this is coming soon to a Corruption-Coalition-Controlled country near you

FREEDOM

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

while we’re doing the world tour

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

while we’re doing the world tour, here’s the imperial motherland

you all may laugh but this is coming soon to a Corruption-Coalition-Controlled country near you

FREEDOM

The men who failed Britain

At every turn Covid beat the British state. Will lessons be learned?

https://unherd.com/2021/10/the-men-who-failed-britain/

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

while we’re doing the world tour, here’s the imperial motherland

you all may laugh but this is coming soon to a Corruption-Coalition-Controlled country near you

FREEDOM

The men who failed Britain

At every turn Covid beat the British state. Will lessons be learned?

https://unherd.com/2021/10/the-men-who-failed-britain/

From that piece:

….That period was horrifying, but the pandemic flu plan was to “cope” with at least 2,000 deaths a day for 15 weeks. That appears to have been based on the idea that we, the British public, were so profoundly wedded to liberty that we would rather let the equivalent of the entire population of Norwich die in three months than have the nightclubs closed.

More than that, in fact, it was important to keep them open so that people didn’t get depressed: “Large public gatherings or crowded events where people may be in close proximity are an important indicator of ‘normality’ and may help maintain public morale during a pandemic.” The possibility that people might not want to attend large public gatherings if it might kill them or their family, or might value the lives of their elderly relatives highly enough to stay home for a few weeks rather than watch them die in their thousands, was not considered….

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

while we’re doing the world tour, here’s the imperial motherland

you all may laugh but this is coming soon to a Corruption-Coalition-Controlled country near you

FREEDOM

The men who failed Britain

At every turn Covid beat the British state. Will lessons be learned?

https://unherd.com/2021/10/the-men-who-failed-britain/

From that piece:

….That period was horrifying, but the pandemic flu plan was to “cope” with at least 2,000 deaths a day for 15 weeks. That appears to have been based on the idea that we, the British public, were so profoundly wedded to liberty that we would rather let the equivalent of the entire population of Norwich die in three months than have the nightclubs closed.

More than that, in fact, it was important to keep them open so that people didn’t get depressed: “Large public gatherings or crowded events where people may be in close proximity are an important indicator of ‘normality’ and may help maintain public morale during a pandemic.” The possibility that people might not want to attend large public gatherings if it might kill them or their family, or might value the lives of their elderly relatives highly enough to stay home for a few weeks rather than watch them die in their thousands, was not considered….

…to be fair, that was a plan in case of “pandemic flu”, but it was the plan initially followed by the UK government for Covid.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

while we’re doing the world tour, here’s the imperial motherland

you all may laugh but this is coming soon to a Corruption-Coalition-Controlled country near you

FREEDOM

On his FB page, an acquaintance of mine announced that if business was no good where he had just moved to, he’d go to the UK at the end of the year, since Covid by then “will have killed everyone it’s going to.”

Needless to say, that entry disappeared shortly after.
The men who failed Britain

At every turn Covid beat the British state. Will lessons be learned?

https://unherd.com/2021/10/the-men-who-failed-britain/

From that piece:

….That period was horrifying, but the pandemic flu plan was to “cope” with at least 2,000 deaths a day for 15 weeks. That appears to have been based on the idea that we, the British public, were so profoundly wedded to liberty that we would rather let the equivalent of the entire population of Norwich die in three months than have the nightclubs closed.

More than that, in fact, it was important to keep them open so that people didn’t get depressed: “Large public gatherings or crowded events where people may be in close proximity are an important indicator of ‘normality’ and may help maintain public morale during a pandemic.” The possibility that people might not want to attend large public gatherings if it might kill them or their family, or might value the lives of their elderly relatives highly enough to stay home for a few weeks rather than watch them die in their thousands, was not considered….

Neophyte said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

On his FB page, an acquaintance of mine announced that if business was no good where he had just moved to, he’d go to the UK at the end of the year, since Covid by then “will have killed everyone it’s going to.”

Needless to say, that entry disappeared shortly after.
The men who failed Britain

At every turn Covid beat the British state. Will lessons be learned?

https://unherd.com/2021/10/the-men-who-failed-britain/

From that piece:

….That period was horrifying, but the pandemic flu plan was to “cope” with at least 2,000 deaths a day for 15 weeks. That appears to have been based on the idea that we, the British public, were so profoundly wedded to liberty that we would rather let the equivalent of the entire population of Norwich die in three months than have the nightclubs closed.

More than that, in fact, it was important to keep them open so that people didn’t get depressed: “Large public gatherings or crowded events where people may be in close proximity are an important indicator of ‘normality’ and may help maintain public morale during a pandemic.” The possibility that people might not want to attend large public gatherings if it might kill them or their family, or might value the lives of their elderly relatives highly enough to stay home for a few weeks rather than watch them die in their thousands, was not considered….

Try that again…

On his FB page, an acquaintance of mine announced that if business was no good where he had just moved to, he’d go to the UK at the end of the year, since Covid by then “will have killed everyone it’s going to.”

Needless to say, that entry disappeared shortly after.

yeah maybe

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

looks like CA from their profile

https://twitter.com/rn_critcare

A universal theme on Sorry AntiVaxxer is the call for urgent prayers! from anti-vaxx activists dying of Covid, and their relatives.

of course you’re anti-covid really, not pro-endemic-covid, surely not secretly pro-endemic-covid, or swayed toward notions that amount to the same as that latter

how far into the future will it be before people can casually, or even incidentally, or accidentally swap breathable air again, without fear of potential serious consequence

is there a hint in covid wards, medical staff in full PPE, keeping to all the procedures, what are they avoiding, really

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

looks like CA from their profile

https://twitter.com/rn_critcare

A universal theme on Sorry AntiVaxxer is the call for urgent prayers! from anti-vaxx activists dying of Covid, and their relatives.

of course you’re anti-covid really, not pro-endemic-covid, surely not secretly pro-endemic-covid, or swayed toward notions that amount to the same as that latter

how far into the future will it be before people can casually, or even incidentally, or accidentally swap breathable air again, without fear of potential serious consequence

is there a hint in covid wards, medical staff in full PPE, keeping to all the procedures, what are they avoiding, really

Not sure what your point is in addressing that to me, but for the record, most anti-vaxxers are also anti-maskers, anti-social distancing, anti-lockdown etc.

No No No No No No They Were Meant To Die For The Economy Must Grow And Waiting Lists To Shrink From High Piled Bodies No Longer Needing Medicine ¡

The number of people waiting for hospital treatment in England has hit a record high of 5.7 million as the NHS struggles to clear the growing backlog of care worsened by the pandemic.

The waiting list is rising by about 100,000 a month as more people who did not seek or could not access NHS treatment over the past 18 months visit a GP and are referred to hospital. The number of patients waiting more than two years has risen to nearly 10,000.

Meanwhile, accident and emergency departments treated more than 1.39 million patients in September – the highest number recorded for the month, according to figures from NHS England.

oh wait in early 2020 that’s exactly what happened

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

What country is that from?

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

well hey just sit back and enjoy the show

What country is that from?

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

I can’t remember. Our German nurse friend did Reiki. He was also a masseur. As well as having been in charge of operating theatres. We forgave Willi a lot of his idiosyncrasies. He’d been a political prisoner in East Germany when he was in his teens, after the war. It definitely did bad things to his psyche.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Yes, but it’s got woo-woo fans all overthe world.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

What country is that from?

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

Victoria has become the first Australian state to require all MPs to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or be barred from parliament.

Four members voted against the bill, including Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MP Jeff Bourman, Liberal Democrat MPs David Limbrick and Tim Quilty, and independent MP Catherine Cumming.

During debate on the bill, Ms Cumming accused the government of using the mandate to silence members who might oppose the extension of emergency powers during the pandemic.

“This seems to be a blatant attempt to make it easier for the government to get this legislation passed, and I know so,” she said.

“By reducing the numbers in this house, they reduce the number of votes they need to gain from the crossbench.”

Ms Cumming proposed an amendment that would allow MPs to enter the parliament building if they passed a rapid antigen test, but the amendment was rejected.

The bill earlier passed the Lower House, with Liberal MP Neil Angus the only member to vote against it.

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Cue shit-fight and politically driven anti-vax, “freedom-fighting” words of nonsense, particularly in the media…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/unvaccinated-victorian-mps-barred-from-entering-parliament/100541136

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

I see.

Michael V said:

Victoria has become the first Australian state to require all MPs to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or be barred from parliament.

Four members voted against the bill, including Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MP Jeff Bourman, Liberal Democrat MPs David Limbrick and Tim Quilty, and independent MP Catherine Cumming.

During debate on the bill, Ms Cumming accused the government of using the mandate to silence members who might oppose the extension of emergency powers during the pandemic.

“This seems to be a blatant attempt to make it easier for the government to get this legislation passed, and I know so,” she said.

“By reducing the numbers in this house, they reduce the number of votes they need to gain from the crossbench.”

Ms Cumming proposed an amendment that would allow MPs to enter the parliament building if they passed a rapid antigen test, but the amendment was rejected.

The bill earlier passed the Lower House, with Liberal MP Neil Angus the only member to vote against it.

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Cue shit-fight and politically driven anti-vax, “freedom-fighting” words of nonsense, particularly in the media…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/unvaccinated-victorian-mps-barred-from-entering-parliament/100541136

Ms Cumming, please be silent.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

“…snip…

Reiki is a pseudoscience, and is used as an illustrative example of pseudoscience in scholarly texts and academic journal articles. It is based on qi (“chi”), which practitioners say is a universal life force, although there is no empirical evidence that such a life force exists.

Clinical research does not show reiki to be effective as a treatment for any medical condition, including cancer, diabetic neuropathy, or anxiety and depression; therefore it should not replace conventional medical treatment. There is no proof of the effectiveness of reiki therapy compared to placebo. Studies reporting positive effects have had methodological flaws.”

…snip…

The earliest recorded English usage dates to 1975.

…snip…

According to the inscription on his memorial stone, Mikao Usui taught his system of reiki to more than 2,000 people during his lifetime. While teaching reiki in Fukuyama, Usui suffered a stroke and died on 9 March 1926. The first reiki clinic in the United States was started by Chujiro Hayashi’s student Hawayo Takata in 1970.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

“…snip…

Reiki is a pseudoscience, and is used as an illustrative example of pseudoscience in scholarly texts and academic journal articles. It is based on qi (“chi”), which practitioners say is a universal life force, although there is no empirical evidence that such a life force exists.

Clinical research does not show reiki to be effective as a treatment for any medical condition, including cancer, diabetic neuropathy, or anxiety and depression; therefore it should not replace conventional medical treatment. There is no proof of the effectiveness of reiki therapy compared to placebo. Studies reporting positive effects have had methodological flaws.”

…snip…

The earliest recorded English usage dates to 1975.

…snip…

According to the inscription on his memorial stone, Mikao Usui taught his system of reiki to more than 2,000 people during his lifetime. While teaching reiki in Fukuyama, Usui suffered a stroke and died on 9 March 1926. The first reiki clinic in the United States was started by Chujiro Hayashi’s student Hawayo Takata in 1970.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki

Hey, if placebo is better at healing, then use that. ;)

I wonder how well a medication called “Placebo” and “Placebo +” would sell?

This difficult and uncooperative mung-bean. Again. Urrgh!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tas-supermarket-exposure-site-after-covid-positive-visit/100541130

Michael V said:

This difficult and uncooperative mung-bean. Again. Urrgh!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tas-supermarket-exposure-site-after-covid-positive-visit/100541130

Police said the man would be fined about $3,000 for breaching the state’s border measures and leaving hotel quarantine.

There’s breaching the requirements, then there’s wilfull disregard. Surely that deserves jail time?

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

This difficult and uncooperative mung-bean. Again. Urrgh!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tas-supermarket-exposure-site-after-covid-positive-visit/100541130

Police said the man would be fined about $3,000 for breaching the state’s border measures and leaving hotel quarantine.

There’s breaching the requirements, then there’s wilfull disregard. Surely that deserves jail time?

If he got sent to jail, I would definitely not denounce the sentence.

This woman (now named), who apparently issued hundreds of fake medical exemption certificates also deserves jail time if found guilty, IMO.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/qld-coronavirus-covid-maria-pau-illegal-exemptions-court/100541234

Michael V said:

This woman (now named), who apparently issued hundreds of fake medical exemption certificates also deserves jail time if found guilty, IMO.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/qld-coronavirus-covid-maria-pau-illegal-exemptions-court/100541234

“I’ve done nothing wrong”, she said.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

This woman (now named), who apparently issued hundreds of fake medical exemption certificates also deserves jail time if found guilty, IMO.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/qld-coronavirus-covid-maria-pau-illegal-exemptions-court/100541234

“I’ve done nothing wrong”, she said.

She claims she’s issued “about 600 certificates” and has charged “up to $150 each”. Let’s be conservative and say she’s earned more than $30k from the venture. Is a fine of “up to $10k” really appropriate?

VIC: 2,179 new cases, six deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

Michael V said:

VIC: 2,179 new cases, six deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

NSW: 399 new cases, four deaths

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 2,179 new cases, six deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

NSW: 399 new cases, four deaths

Gold standard FTW.

If this death rate keeps up, and is replicated in States other than Vic and NSW, soon it will be that you stand less chance of being killed by drink-driving than by attending a public place.

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 2,179 new cases, six deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

NSW: 399 new cases, four deaths

Gold standard FTW.

Zeros for both is Gold Standard, IMHO.

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

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I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

A universal theme on Sorry AntiVaxxer is the call for urgent prayers! from anti-vaxx activists dying of Covid, and their relatives.

of course you’re anti-covid really, not pro-endemic-covid, surely not secretly pro-endemic-covid, or swayed toward notions that amount to the same as that latter

how far into the future will it be before people can casually, or even incidentally, or accidentally swap breathable air again, without fear of potential serious consequence

is there a hint in covid wards, medical staff in full PPE, keeping to all the procedures, what are they avoiding, really

Not sure what your point is in addressing that to me, but for the record, most anti-vaxxers are also anti-maskers, anti-social distancing, anti-lockdown etc.

that’s sort of an appeal to a stereotype, really, isn’t it, hunting down the irrational, work for the hunters of irrationality, for those of superior rationality

most people are in some way anti-those-things, generally nobody wants to spread disease such that it results in requiring more vaccinations than is necessary, certainly don’t want to be on a treadmill of vaccinations, people don’t want to be inconvenienced by masks, have to monitor proximity all the time, or avoid going outside their homes to an extreme extent, or stock their homes with many months of supplies

I guess it all helps as a distraction though, helps the pro-endemic-covid message slip in the back door

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

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I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

Perrottet probably believes those who will die are merely being “called by God” and it’s not his place to stand in the way of the Almighty.

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————
I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic”

I guess it’s sort of true, if you ignore the exporting of covid, that has happened, and the ongoing potential for

transition said:

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

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I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic”

I guess it’s sort of true, if you ignore the exporting of covid, that has happened, and the ongoing potential for

well they are the trust party after all, trust Barnacle, trust Gutless, trust Marketing, trust politicians without an ICAC, trust our allies and their leadership, trust God, trust CHINA

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————
I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

the biggest issue for me is not the change in policy per se (ultimately this was always going to happen at some point), but the fact that NSW seem to be charging forward at a rate much faster than everyone else. NSW were given an unproportional (by population) allocation of vaccine supply (and rightly so at the time) which allowed them to achieve a level of vaccination that was much higher than all other states. Now that they are ahead, they really should be waiting for slower runners to catch up.

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————
I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

the biggest issue for me is not the change in policy per se (ultimately this was always going to happen at some point), but the fact that NSW seem to be charging forward at a rate much faster than everyone else. NSW were given an unproportional (by population) allocation of vaccine supply (and rightly so at the time) which allowed them to achieve a level of vaccination that was much higher than all other states. Now that they are ahead, they really should be waiting for slower runners to catch up.

I see waves.

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————
I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

the biggest issue for me is not the change in policy per se (ultimately this was always going to happen at some point), but the fact that NSW seem to be charging forward at a rate much faster than everyone else. NSW were given an unproportional (by population) allocation of vaccine supply (and rightly so at the time) which allowed them to achieve a level of vaccination that was much higher than all other states. Now that they are ahead, they really should be waiting for slower runners to catch up.

Yes.

Basically they are saying “you have a fortnight to catch up, or suffer the consequences”. This is rude, inconsiderate, arrogant and very pushy. I am not a fan.

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

Lack of cooperation between the states is unusual

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

no, we’re not saying that at all.

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

no, we’re not saying that at all.

Reading between the lines it does seem like you are saying that

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

Lack of cooperation between the states is unusual

what about between federal fuck ups and state clowns

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

no, we’re not saying that at all.

Reading between the lines it does seem like you are saying that

depends on what we(x, y, z) refers to

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

no, we’re not saying that at all.

Reading between the lines it does seem like you are saying that

no what I was saying is that at the time NSW were given a leg up, because at the time they needed it… no other states are deliberately holding back vaccination to spite the feds.. but if this is going to act now, then maybe a more equitable approach should have been to distribute the additional doses that the feds got to all states instead of just NSW.

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

Lack of cooperation between the states is unusual

what about between federal fuck ups and state clowns

Seems a worldwide phenomena, I mean did anyone expect different, it’s interesting though that many first world nations with huge resources did extremely poorly

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 399 new cases, four deaths

Gold standard FTW.

Zeros for both is Gold Standard, IMHO.

QLD: Zero new cases, zero deaths.

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

no, we’re not saying that at all.

Reading between the lines it does seem like you are saying that

no what I was saying is that at the time NSW were given a leg up, because at the time they needed it… no other states are deliberately holding back vaccination to spite the feds.. but if this is going to act now, then maybe a more equitable approach should have been to distribute the additional doses that the feds got to all states instead of just NSW.

I’m stirring, yes you would think sharing would be the way to go, I mean its logically for a start regardless of it being the decent thing to do

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Reading between the lines it does seem like you are saying that

no what I was saying is that at the time NSW were given a leg up, because at the time they needed it… no other states are deliberately holding back vaccination to spite the feds.. but if this is going to act now, then maybe a more equitable approach should have been to distribute the additional doses that the feds got to all states instead of just NSW.

I’m stirring, yes you would think sharing would be the way to go, I mean its logically for a start regardless of it being the decent thing to do

At the time the right thing to do was to give the doses to NSW..

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————
I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

the biggest issue for me is not the change in policy per se (ultimately this was always going to happen at some point), but the fact that NSW seem to be charging forward at a rate much faster than everyone else. NSW were given an unproportional (by population) allocation of vaccine supply (and rightly so at the time) which allowed them to achieve a level of vaccination that was much higher than all other states. Now that they are ahead, they really should be waiting for slower runners to catch up.

Yes.

Basically they are saying “you have a fortnight to catch up, or suffer the consequences”. This is rude, inconsiderate, arrogant and very pushy. I am not a fan.

could be worse than rude, given the holding of borders, various measures to limit bidirectional covid traffic by other States, low levels of covid in other States, were (are) large contributor to NSW being able to manage well as it has

but ithat’s suppose to be vanished from your minds, core work of the obliviators

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

NSW to end to hotel quarantine November 1.

“In addition, probably the most significant announcement we are making is an end to quarantine.” Mr Perrottet says.

“From November 1st, those people returning Australians and tourers who want to come back, who want to visit Australia and coming to Sydney, hotel quarantine will be a thing of the past.

People will need to do a PCR test before they board the flight and will need to show proof of your double vaccination.

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business,” he says.

“We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————
I am most definitely not a fan of this move. What happened to the notions “err on the side of caution” and “duty of care for your citizens”?
———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

the biggest issue for me is not the change in policy per se (ultimately this was always going to happen at some point), but the fact that NSW seem to be charging forward at a rate much faster than everyone else. NSW were given an unproportional (by population) allocation of vaccine supply (and rightly so at the time) which allowed them to achieve a level of vaccination that was much higher than all other states. Now that they are ahead, they really should be waiting for slower runners to catch up.

Yes.

Basically they are saying “you have a fortnight to catch up, or suffer the consequences”. This is rude, inconsiderate, arrogant and very pushy. I am not a fan.

Gold Liberal Standard. Steal the resources and make the victims suffer.

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is other states are deliberately sabotaging Federal progress plans by holding back on their coverage

probably true given that Corruption Coalition Christians are in charge and those dirty states are Labor whingers

LOL, your style is lost on some here.

:-)

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Reading between the lines it does seem like you are saying that

no what I was saying is that at the time NSW were given a leg up, because at the time they needed it… no other states are deliberately holding back vaccination to spite the feds.. but if this is going to act now, then maybe a more equitable approach should have been to distribute the additional doses that the feds got to all states instead of just NSW.

I’m stirring, yes you would think sharing would be the way to go, I mean its logically for a start regardless of it being the decent thing to do

I object to NSW declaring that they are leading the nation in their response to Covid and the reopening. If it wasn’t for their bungling in the first place we would not have had such a severe Covid outbreak.

I think my state (WA) has done reasonably well in keeping Covid out. I know it is only a temporary thing, but the reopening should only happen when everyone who wants to be vaccinated has been and had their second dose, plus a short grace period after that. There’s always going to be some who refuse to be vaccinated, but they can take their chances. We should not be reopening until the vaccine rollout has been done. It should not be for plague states to dictate policy to the non-plague states.

anyway apparently some in Your ABC are now pretending to show some seller’s remorse

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/what-does-long-covid-feel-like-australia-research-latest/100429496

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Not Australia. No visitors in ICU here at the moment.

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

one of the mums in my original mums group became a Reiki master… and I noped my way out of that relationship really fast.

The Variant Hunters Film: The Story Behind the Race To Sequence the COVID-19 Virus

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

one of the mums in my original mums group became a Reiki master… and I noped my way out of that relationship really fast.

Probably for the best, she could have fucked up your qi real fast.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Reiki is Japanese isn’t it?

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

How is it pyramid selling?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

How is it pyramid selling?

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

Arts said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

How is it pyramid selling?

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

Lord only knows what you have to do to become a Reiki Grasshopper.

Peak Warming Man said:

Arts said:

Michael V said:

How is it pyramid selling?

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

Lord only knows what you have to do to become a Reiki Grasshopper.

wax on wax off.

Arts said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

How is it pyramid selling?

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

I don’t know where Willi (our friend) learnt his Reiki (it would have been 40 or more years ago I guess) but I doubt he was involved in any schemes like that. But he may have done it in Germany, they do tend to some alternative stuff there.

Arts said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

How is it pyramid selling?

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

I’d be a reiki ronin.

buffy said:

Arts said:

Michael V said:

How is it pyramid selling?

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

I don’t know where Willi (our friend) learnt his Reiki (it would have been 40 or more years ago I guess) but I doubt he was involved in any schemes like that. But he may have done it in Germany, they do tend to some alternative stuff there.

one of the PCA’s in the spinal ward claimed to be a reiki master and would reiki the patients in halo prison and halo vests all the time… It was weird and he claimed to have cured people or given them more functionality than they would have had.. which is ok, but no way to check so he was probably full of shit.

…but right now on this rather humid afternoon, a refreshing Mamie Taylor cocktail while I put the rest of the purchases in their rightful places.

So I’ll call a rather early FNDC.

Bubblecar said:

…but right now on this rather humid afternoon, a refreshing Mamie Taylor cocktail while I put the rest of the purchases in their rightful places.

So I’ll call a rather early FNDC.

Wrong thread but this thread could probably do with a drink.

Arts said:

buffy said:

Arts said:

you can’t become a reiki master until you pay for a course and drag others into starting a reiki course..

I don’t know where Willi (our friend) learnt his Reiki (it would have been 40 or more years ago I guess) but I doubt he was involved in any schemes like that. But he may have done it in Germany, they do tend to some alternative stuff there.

one of the PCA’s in the spinal ward claimed to be a reiki master and would reiki the patients in halo prison and halo vests all the time… It was weird and he claimed to have cured people or given them more functionality than they would have had.. which is ok, but no way to check so he was probably full of shit.

I know Willi’s nursing qualifications were legit. And I know he also worked as a masseur before he came to Australia. But I never asked him where he picked up Reiki. He died a couple of years ago before he came back to Australia. He was very unsettled as a person because of his earlier experiences and didn’t seem able to settle well.

SCIENCE said:

anyway apparently some in Your ABC are now pretending to show some seller’s remorse

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/what-does-long-covid-feel-like-australia-research-latest/100429496

I put in some feedback about this style. told them it was just about unreadable.

buffy said:

Arts said:

buffy said:

I don’t know where Willi (our friend) learnt his Reiki (it would have been 40 or more years ago I guess) but I doubt he was involved in any schemes like that. But he may have done it in Germany, they do tend to some alternative stuff there.

one of the PCA’s in the spinal ward claimed to be a reiki master and would reiki the patients in halo prison and halo vests all the time… It was weird and he claimed to have cured people or given them more functionality than they would have had.. which is ok, but no way to check so he was probably full of shit.

I know Willi’s nursing qualifications were legit. And I know he also worked as a masseur before he came to Australia. But I never asked him where he picked up Reiki. He died a couple of years ago before he came back to Australia. He was very unsettled as a person because of his earlier experiences and didn’t seem able to settle well.

I definitely view reiki as more a massage without the movement than medical treatment… it’s about the flow of the earth through the practitioners body and apply that energy, in the form of heat, to the part of the body.. or something like that.

I think it can also be described as a really effective way to dupe vulnerable people out of their money.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Well it was, but has been subsumed by the “alternative medicine/crystal healing/nonsense believing” crowd.

It is also a pyramid selling type of thing.

Also most people I know who were sucked in had bad medical problems of their own.

How is it pyramid selling?

crystal healing

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway apparently some in Your ABC are now pretending to show some seller’s remorse

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/what-does-long-covid-feel-like-australia-research-latest/100429496

I put in some feedback about this style. told them it was just about unreadable.

I like it

sarahs mum said:

can’t you just learn to live with it

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway apparently some in Your ABC are now pretending to show some seller’s remorse

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/what-does-long-covid-feel-like-australia-research-latest/100429496

I put in some feedback about this style. told them it was just about unreadable.

I like it

thank you.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I put in some feedback about this style. told them it was just about unreadable.

I like it

thank you.

you’re welcome, I put in some feedback about how dynamic it is and how they should do all their stories like this

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I like it

thank you.

you’re welcome, I put in some feedback about how dynamic it is and how they should do all their stories like this

glower!

Arts said:

buffy said:

Arts said:

one of the PCA’s in the spinal ward claimed to be a reiki master and would reiki the patients in halo prison and halo vests all the time… It was weird and he claimed to have cured people or given them more functionality than they would have had.. which is ok, but no way to check so he was probably full of shit.

I know Willi’s nursing qualifications were legit. And I know he also worked as a masseur before he came to Australia. But I never asked him where he picked up Reiki. He died a couple of years ago before he came back to Australia. He was very unsettled as a person because of his earlier experiences and didn’t seem able to settle well.

I definitely view reiki as more a massage without the movement than medical treatment… it’s about the flow of the earth through the practitioners body and apply that energy, in the form of heat, to the part of the body.. or something like that.

I think it can also be described as a really effective way to dupe vulnerable people out of their money.

I’m not sure Willi sold his Reiki services. In fact I think it was mostly something he did with his partner. He was partner and carer to a wheelchair bound artist when we first met him, so the massage was part of that. Later he married another fellow. He gave me a massage a couple of times (which is not something I would normally have) and he certainly seemed to know what he was doing there. He also knew we thought the Reiki was a bit out there.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I put in some feedback about this style. told them it was just about unreadable.

I like it

thank you.

yeah depends on what you want but when we get fed up we just use the reader thing

highlighted

and we get this

et cetera

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I like it

thank you.

yeah depends on what you want but when we get fed up we just use the reader thing

highlighted

and we get this

et cetera

I get that all the time

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

thank you.

yeah depends on what you want but when we get fed up we just use the reader thing

highlighted

and we get this

et cetera

I get that all the time

… well it doesn’t come up for most sites …

anyway, off to do some reading, this should be fun

https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/7496/documents/78687/default/

I am very, very, seriously angry about this completely uncontrolled and unjustified experiment that NSW is foisting onto the rest of Australia. DP studied commerce/law. I wonder how much science he learned doing that.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-ditching-quarantine-for-international-travellers-explained/100541924

Tau.Neutrino said:

Coming Soon To A NewSouthWuhan And Adjoining States Near You

but anyway other (less prolonged) reading

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/2/2055693/-COVID-19-must-be-eliminated-not-endemic-if-America-is-going-to-survive

alarmist

Michael V said:

I am very, very, seriously angry about this completely uncontrolled and unjustified experiment that NSW is foisting onto the rest of Australia. DP studied commerce/law. I wonder how much science he learned doing that.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-ditching-quarantine-for-international-travellers-explained/100541924

to be fair there seems to always have been something of a rivalry between (in)“humanities” and technical subjects at school and we guess in the age of these manipulated dysdemocracies the inhumans won out

it’sn’t an experiment; they know full well what they’re doing

note political escape route

NSW’s plan to scrap quarantine will initially only apply to Australians and permanent residents, says PM

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

I am very, very, seriously angry about this completely uncontrolled and unjustified experiment that NSW is foisting onto the rest of Australia. DP studied commerce/law. I wonder how much science he learned doing that.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-ditching-quarantine-for-international-travellers-explained/100541924

to be fair there seems to always have been something of a rivalry between (in)“humanities” and technical subjects at school and we guess in the age of these manipulated dysdemocracies the inhumans won out

it’sn’t an experiment; they know full well what they’re doing

That makes me even angrier.

Sm’s posted prediction was indeed prophetic.
————————————————————————————————————————————

“KEY EVENT

Southern Tasmania will enter a three-day snap lockdown from 6pm tonight

The Tasmanian Premier says the COVID-positive man who escaped hotel quarantine “has not been cooperative, leading to inconsistency and non-disclosure of information”.

Peter Gutwein also says another man breached home quarantine overnight — that person has been fined and put into hotel quarantine.

“We simply cannot afford for an outbreak to occur,” he says. “

————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

Michael V said:

Sm’s posted prediction was indeed prophetic.
————————————————————————————————————————————

“KEY EVENT

Southern Tasmania will enter a three-day snap lockdown from 6pm tonight

The Tasmanian Premier says the COVID-positive man who escaped hotel quarantine “has not been cooperative, leading to inconsistency and non-disclosure of information”.

Peter Gutwein also says another man breached home quarantine overnight — that person has been fined and put into hotel quarantine.

“We simply cannot afford for an outbreak to occur,” he says. “

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

The spreader sounds an absolute prick, dickhead etc (to vary the term from the recently overused cnut).

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Sm’s posted prediction was indeed prophetic.
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“KEY EVENT

Southern Tasmania will enter a three-day snap lockdown from 6pm tonight

The Tasmanian Premier says the COVID-positive man who escaped hotel quarantine “has not been cooperative, leading to inconsistency and non-disclosure of information”.

Peter Gutwein also says another man breached home quarantine overnight — that person has been fined and put into hotel quarantine.

“We simply cannot afford for an outbreak to occur,” he says. “

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

The spreader sounds an absolute prick, dickhead etc (to vary the term from the recently overused cnut).

Yep. Mr Robert Sole.

R. Sole.

Actual good news we’re advised.

UAE Going For It

Vaccines plus actual effective stuff apparently. Aim for freedom.

Laugh Out Loud*

Let’s go, fuck the kids who have the longest to deal with it, minimum vaccination age Australia is 12 years, Let It Rip™ now, before the approval for the 5 to 12 year olds, before the 2 to 5 year olds, before the election which is the most important thing obviously.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-new-frontier-israeli-hopsitals-contend-with-long-covid-in-children-1.10280661

“What’s interesting, is that in some of the children, it really appears as a direct continuation of severe illness but in very many of the children, there is a severe illness, followed by a lull of several months and only then do the symptoms of long COVID begin,” says Ashkenazi-Hoffnung.

According to her, the persistence of the symptoms varies. “There are children for whom it takes half a year or more. For example, we had a boy here who was a competitive swimmer and came down with long COVID and was very anxious and in pain. After half a year he went back to swimming and even broke a personal record.”

However, she also says that there are “a few children here who, a year after the illness, haven’t recovered, and they have symptoms that are affecting their day-to-day functioning. There are cases in which it lasts for more than a year.”

“I think there is an underestimation,” says Ashkenazi Hoffnung, “even in the research studies, because of their methods, and the numbers are higher. That said, not all symptoms have the same significance. The essential question is whether it affects functioning. If, for example, a child loses the sense of taste and smell for eight months and that leads to picky eating, this is not necessarily clinically significant compared to symptoms that damage functioning and prevent the child from doing the things he loves.”

For example, there are children for whom physical activity was an important part of their lives. “Fifteen percent of the children who come to us trained in various sports for three or four hours a day six days a week, and after the coronavirus they can’t even walk for five minutes. Their parents and sometimes the doctors don’t always connect this to the coronavirus.”

“These children aren’t spoiled or depressed – they are dealing with physical damage that is part of long COVID and they want to go back to their activities. I am sure there are other children who suffer from the same phenomenon, but it isn’t noticed because it doesn’t affect their routine. Some of them are sitting at home playing Fortnite and don’t know they are incapable of walking for five minutes, that they have these symptoms.”

*: not at the suffering but at the fucking idiocy around the world and what can you do but laugh when that’s all there is left

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

nah no way that’s just slander

You Don’t Want To Know About This But You’ll Probably Have To Soon

explanatory comment: variants of B.1.617.2 that are starting to take over

Short answer ——>> YES.

Long answer, see the page below.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-international-border-perottet-morrison-naional-cabinet/100542740

Looks like Bubblecar is only just outside the lockdown area. Southern Midlands is included, Northern Midlands is not.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/tasmanias-lockdown-restrictions-explained/100520606

Terrific effort by Australia’s Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to get Australia in front of countries like France, New Zealand, Germany, the European Union and the US etc.
But let’s not compare ourselves with others lest we become vain or bitter, it’s not a race.
And a special thanks to Scomo and Greg Hunt who made it all possible.

Peak Warming Man said:

Terrific effort by Australia’s Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to get Australia in front of countries like France, New Zealand, Germany, the European Union and the US etc.
But let’s not compare ourselves with others lest we become vain or bitter, it’s not a race.
And a special thanks to Scomo and Greg Hunt who made it all possible.

And the only let 500 people die.

Peak Warming Man said:

Terrific effort by Australia’s Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to get Australia in front of countries like France, New Zealand, Germany, the European Union and the US etc.
But let’s not compare ourselves with others lest we become vain or bitter, it’s not a race.
And a special thanks to Scomo and Greg Hunt who made it all possible.

What are the numbers? Can’t be percentages.

Peak Warming Man said:

Terrific effort by Australia’s Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to get Australia in front of countries like France, New Zealand, Germany, the European Union and the US etc.
But let’s not compare ourselves with others lest we become vain or bitter, it’s not a race.
And a special thanks to Scomo and Greg Hunt who made it all possible.

What do the numbers represent?

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Terrific effort by Australia’s Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to get Australia in front of countries like France, New Zealand, Germany, the European Union and the US etc.
But let’s not compare ourselves with others lest we become vain or bitter, it’s not a race.
And a special thanks to Scomo and Greg Hunt who made it all possible.

What are the numbers? Can’t be percentages.

Number of vaccinations given per 100 of people.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Terrific effort by Australia’s Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to get Australia in front of countries like France, New Zealand, Germany, the European Union and the US etc.
But let’s not compare ourselves with others lest we become vain or bitter, it’s not a race.
And a special thanks to Scomo and Greg Hunt who made it all possible.

What are the numbers? Can’t be percentages.

Number of vaccinations given per 100 of people.

Ta.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

What are the numbers? Can’t be percentages.

Number of vaccinations given per 100 of people.

Ta.

Interesting…J&J is a once only vax, not a double one. My sister had J&J in Texas. Because that was what she could get. Might mess up the numbers if you are comparing countries?

buffy said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Number of vaccinations given per 100 of people.

Ta.

Interesting…J&J is a once only vax, not a double one. My sister had J&J in Texas. Because that was what she could get. Might mess up the numbers if you are comparing countries?

Here is the J&J stuff.

https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-authorized-by-u-s-fda-for-emergency-usefirst-single-shot-vaccine-in-fight-against-global-pandemic
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HOW IS THE JANSSEN COVID-19 VACCINE GIVEN?
The Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine will be given to you as an injection into the muscle. The Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine vaccination schedule is a single dose.

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I hope they can work it out. It’d be a shame for this series to be disrupted.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/cricket-australia-wbbl-hopes-to-play-on-amid-hobart-lockdown/100543390

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-international-border-perottet-morrison-naional-cabinet/100542740

read that, doesn’t like caves much, the writer

Further to my earlier post:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/judge-rules-out-challenges-to-nsw-covid-19-vaccination-orders/100543888

transition said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-international-border-perottet-morrison-naional-cabinet/100542740

read that, doesn’t like caves much, the writer

I have adopted a policy of not reading anything with Petronet and Covid in the headline.

party_pants said:

transition said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/nsw-international-border-perottet-morrison-naional-cabinet/100542740

read that, doesn’t like caves much, the writer

I have adopted a policy of not reading anything with Petronet and Covid in the headline.

Then this shambles hasn’t caught your eye?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/international-borders-perrottet-morrison-opening-up-covid/100541594

Make you realise how much systems are designed for honest, not dishonesty. “Locks only keep honest thieves out.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/analysis-southern-tasmania-covid-lockdown/100544194

Michael V said:

Make you realise how much systems are designed for honest, not dishonesty. “Locks only keep honest thieves out.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/analysis-southern-tasmania-covid-lockdown/100544194

The basic premise is that most of us are primarily honest.

VIC: 1,993 new cases and seven deaths.

NSW records 319 locally acquired COVID-19 cases and two deaths in the 24 hours to 8pm on Friday.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

transition said:

read that, doesn’t like caves much, the writer

I have adopted a policy of not reading anything with Petronet and Covid in the headline.

Then this shambles hasn’t caught your eye?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/international-borders-perrottet-morrison-opening-up-covid/100541594

consider arseholes

when was the last time someone warned you before they farted

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Further to my earlier post:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/judge-rules-out-challenges-to-nsw-covid-19-vaccination-orders/100543888

well as you all know we have much praise to heap on NSWuhan but have been keeping it in reserve until now, and this is perhaps one occasion when we could actually say they are doing good leadership for once

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Further to my earlier post:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/judge-rules-out-challenges-to-nsw-covid-19-vaccination-orders/100543888

well as you all know we have much praise to heap on NSWuhan but have been keeping it in reserve until now, and this is perhaps one occasion when we could actually say they are doing good leadership for once

Methinks the Supreme Court is not Perrottet.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Further to my earlier post:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/judge-rules-out-challenges-to-nsw-covid-19-vaccination-orders/100543888

well as you all know we have much praise to heap on NSWuhan but have been keeping it in reserve until now, and this is perhaps one occasion when we could actually say they are doing good leadership for once

Yep. If only the pollies were as thoughtful as the judges.

Any information yet about whether the WBBL cricket is going to go ahead or not?

Last I read (yesterday arvo) was the CA was in discussions with the Tazzie government.

Michael V said:

Any information yet about whether the WBBL cricket is going to go ahead or not?

Last I read (yesterday arvo) was the CA was in discussions with the Tazzie government.

Answer:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540726

QLD: Zero new local cases, zero deaths.

roughbarked said:

NSW records 319 locally acquired COVID-19 cases and two deaths in the 24 hours to 8pm on Friday.

From 66,000 tests. Those numbers are dropping. A lot. I think they were over 100,000 a couple of weeks ago or so. Victoria’s tests yesterday were 79,000.

Michael V said:

QLD: Zero new local cases, zero deaths.

Yesterdays figures:

You know DP in NSW jumped the gun, and is implementing stuff faster than agreed don’t you JF?

Why criticise VIC for sticking to the national plan?

Oh, I see. Because you can. Try fixing your Federal stink-pile first. Glass houses and all that.

(ABC blog.)

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

dv said:

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

because he’s a cunt.

The decision to classify the parents of Australian citizens and permanent residents as immediate family, opening the door for them to travel into the country, has been met with relief, excitement and some trepidation.

Since Australia’s international borders shut in March 2020, only immediate family members were able to get exemptions to visit

But parents were excluded from this classification, leading to a campaign for change

—

Well obviously we didn’t have parents overseas trying to get back to Australia but wait what, parents weren’t immediate family members ¿¡

So political au pairs get exemptions but parents of commoners aren’t family, wegedit.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Make you realise how much systems are designed for honest, not dishonesty. “Locks only keep honest thieves out.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-16/analysis-southern-tasmania-covid-lockdown/100544194

The basic premise is that most of us are primarily honest.

you could get a job with a broadcaster, rb

last two paragraphs, or separated sentences in that page are horrendous, the entire page doesn’t rate much better, is my opinion

the word inciting, and crazies came to mind

dv said:

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

If god wanted them to know what was doing, he’d have given them hearing…

For most of us, the past two years have been spent wearing masks, washing our hands, and staying away from society to reduce the spread of COVID-19. According to a recent article published in the journal Nature Reviews Microbiology, these measures may have been doing twice as much good as we realized.

It’s an unintended – though certainly welcome – casualty of the world’s improved awareness of disease prevention: researchers at the University of Melbourne are suggesting that certain flu strains might now be extinct. The number and diversity of the surviving strains have been badly hit too, and even certain common cold viruses are feeling the heat.

“The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has seen a notable global reduction in influenza cases of both influenza A and B viruses,” explain the authors. “In particular, the B/Yamagata lineage has not been isolated from April 2020 to August 2021, suggesting that this influenza lineage may have become extinct, which may provide opportunities for improving availability and effectiveness of influenza vaccines.”

There are four types of flu virus: A, B, C, and D – though as humans, we really only need to worry about A and B, since type C generally causes only mild illness and type D only infects cattle. Influenza A, fast-changing and diverse, is the type that causes pandemics. Influenza B clades – for example, B/Yamagata – tend to be confined to seasonal flu outbreaks.

Despite Influenza B types being slower to evolve, epidemiologists still get to see a few dozen or so new viruses develop per month. Since March 2020, however, there have been no B/Yamagata viruses detected at all. Even certain Influenza A viruses have been reduced, with the number of detections of H1N1 (aka swine flu) and H3N2 viruses dropping an order of magnitude year on year.

“Influenza virus detections dropped dramatically from April 2020, with a ~99% reduction compared with previous years despite roughly similar levels of testing,” the paper confirms. “Behavioural changes (social distancing, mask wearing and hygiene measures) and travel and movement restrictions are thought to be the major factors driving the reduction in influenza incidence, which was also observed for other common respiratory infections such as respiratory syncytial virus.”

It’s important not to get carried away here – there’s a chance, the paper warns, that B/Yamagata has “merely gone into hiding.” Influenza B viruses have been known to go “dormant” before, and for surprisingly long time periods too – B/Victoria, the strain which dominated cases in the early 2000s, was barely seen at all through the 1990s.

However, if B/Yamagata really has gone the way of the dodo, it could be very good news for vaccine distribution. Current flu vaccines often aim to protect against four seasonal flu strains: Influenzas A/H1N1, A/H2N3, B/Yamagata, and B/Victoria. Taking B/Yamagata out of this cocktail and moving instead to a three-in-one shot could allow around 200 million more people to receive a vaccine, the paper says.

Alternatively, the authors suggest, vaccines could keep their four-in-one structure, but replace B/Yamagata with a second sub-clade of A/H2N3. That would solve the current annual pharmaceutical dilemma over which sub-clade would be the best choice to protect against in the coming flu season.

“Time will tell whether the B/Yamagata lineage is gone for good,” the paper concludes. “ elimination of one of the four current vaccine targets would have favourable implications for annual influenza vaccine reformulation, with opportunities for rational rethinking of optimal strategies to further reduce global influenza burden.”

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/covid19-safety-measures-may-have-wiped-out-an-entire-flu-lineage/

Michael V said:

You know DP in NSW jumped the gun, and is implementing stuff faster than agreed don’t you JF?

Why criticise VIC for sticking to the national plan?

Oh, I see. Because you can. Try fixing your Federal stink-pile first. Glass houses and all that.

goal posts never shift

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-shocking-reason-dominic-perrottet-no-longer-has-auslan-interpreters-at-press-briefings-101221

party_pants said:

dv said:

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

because he’s a cunt.

Seems so.

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-shocking-reason-dominic-perrottet-no-longer-has-auslan-interpreters-at-press-briefings-101221

party_pants said:

dv said:

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

because he’s a cunt.

sarahs mum said:

For most of us, the past two years have been spent wearing masks, washing our hands, and staying away from society to reduce the spread of COVID-19. According to a recent article published in the journal Nature Reviews Microbiology, these measures may have been doing twice as much good as we realized.

It’s an unintended – though certainly welcome – casualty of the world’s improved awareness of disease prevention: researchers at the University of Melbourne are suggesting that certain flu strains might now be extinct. The number and diversity of the surviving strains have been badly hit too, and even certain common cold viruses are feeling the heat.

“The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has seen a notable global reduction in influenza cases of both influenza A and B viruses,” explain the authors. “In particular, the B/Yamagata lineage has not been isolated from April 2020 to August 2021, suggesting that this influenza lineage may have become extinct, which may provide opportunities for improving availability and effectiveness of influenza vaccines.”

There are four types of flu virus: A, B, C, and D – though as humans, we really only need to worry about A and B, since type C generally causes only mild illness and type D only infects cattle. Influenza A, fast-changing and diverse, is the type that causes pandemics. Influenza B clades – for example, B/Yamagata – tend to be confined to seasonal flu outbreaks.

Despite Influenza B types being slower to evolve, epidemiologists still get to see a few dozen or so new viruses develop per month. Since March 2020, however, there have been no B/Yamagata viruses detected at all. Even certain Influenza A viruses have been reduced, with the number of detections of H1N1 (aka swine flu) and H3N2 viruses dropping an order of magnitude year on year.

“Influenza virus detections dropped dramatically from April 2020, with a ~99% reduction compared with previous years despite roughly similar levels of testing,” the paper confirms. “Behavioural changes (social distancing, mask wearing and hygiene measures) and travel and movement restrictions are thought to be the major factors driving the reduction in influenza incidence, which was also observed for other common respiratory infections such as respiratory syncytial virus.”

It’s important not to get carried away here – there’s a chance, the paper warns, that B/Yamagata has “merely gone into hiding.” Influenza B viruses have been known to go “dormant” before, and for surprisingly long time periods too – B/Victoria, the strain which dominated cases in the early 2000s, was barely seen at all through the 1990s.

However, if B/Yamagata really has gone the way of the dodo, it could be very good news for vaccine distribution. Current flu vaccines often aim to protect against four seasonal flu strains: Influenzas A/H1N1, A/H2N3, B/Yamagata, and B/Victoria. Taking B/Yamagata out of this cocktail and moving instead to a three-in-one shot could allow around 200 million more people to receive a vaccine, the paper says.

Alternatively, the authors suggest, vaccines could keep their four-in-one structure, but replace B/Yamagata with a second sub-clade of A/H2N3. That would solve the current annual pharmaceutical dilemma over which sub-clade would be the best choice to protect against in the coming flu season.

“Time will tell whether the B/Yamagata lineage is gone for good,” the paper concludes. “ elimination of one of the four current vaccine targets would have favourable implications for annual influenza vaccine reformulation, with opportunities for rational rethinking of optimal strategies to further reduce global influenza burden.”

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/covid19-safety-measures-may-have-wiped-out-an-entire-flu-lineage/

Good stuff!

:)

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

because he’s a cunt.

Seems so.

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-shocking-reason-dominic-perrottet-no-longer-has-auslan-interpreters-at-press-briefings-101221

What’s your reason?
What’s your reason?
What’s your reason Perrottet?
You ain’t got one,
You ain’t got one,
You’re a bastard, Perrottet.

sarahs mum said:

For most of us, the past two years have been spent wearing masks, washing our hands, and staying away from society to reduce the spread of COVID-19. According to a recent article published in the journal Nature Reviews Microbiology, these measures may have been doing twice as much good as we realized.

It’s an unintended – though certainly welcome – casualty of the world’s improved awareness of disease prevention: researchers at the University of Melbourne are suggesting that certain flu strains might now be extinct. The number and diversity of the surviving strains have been badly hit too, and even certain common cold viruses are feeling the heat.

“The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic has seen a notable global reduction in influenza cases of both influenza A and B viruses,” explain the authors. “In particular, the B/Yamagata lineage has not been isolated from April 2020 to August 2021, suggesting that this influenza lineage may have become extinct, which may provide opportunities for improving availability and effectiveness of influenza vaccines.”

There are four types of flu virus: A, B, C, and D – though as humans, we really only need to worry about A and B, since type C generally causes only mild illness and type D only infects cattle. Influenza A, fast-changing and diverse, is the type that causes pandemics. Influenza B clades – for example, B/Yamagata – tend to be confined to seasonal flu outbreaks.

Despite Influenza B types being slower to evolve, epidemiologists still get to see a few dozen or so new viruses develop per month. Since March 2020, however, there have been no B/Yamagata viruses detected at all. Even certain Influenza A viruses have been reduced, with the number of detections of H1N1 (aka swine flu) and H3N2 viruses dropping an order of magnitude year on year.

“Influenza virus detections dropped dramatically from April 2020, with a ~99% reduction compared with previous years despite roughly similar levels of testing,” the paper confirms. “Behavioural changes (social distancing, mask wearing and hygiene measures) and travel and movement restrictions are thought to be the major factors driving the reduction in influenza incidence, which was also observed for other common respiratory infections such as respiratory syncytial virus.”

It’s important not to get carried away here – there’s a chance, the paper warns, that B/Yamagata has “merely gone into hiding.” Influenza B viruses have been known to go “dormant” before, and for surprisingly long time periods too – B/Victoria, the strain which dominated cases in the early 2000s, was barely seen at all through the 1990s.

However, if B/Yamagata really has gone the way of the dodo, it could be very good news for vaccine distribution. Current flu vaccines often aim to protect against four seasonal flu strains: Influenzas A/H1N1, A/H2N3, B/Yamagata, and B/Victoria. Taking B/Yamagata out of this cocktail and moving instead to a three-in-one shot could allow around 200 million more people to receive a vaccine, the paper says.

Alternatively, the authors suggest, vaccines could keep their four-in-one structure, but replace B/Yamagata with a second sub-clade of A/H2N3. That would solve the current annual pharmaceutical dilemma over which sub-clade would be the best choice to protect against in the coming flu season.

“Time will tell whether the B/Yamagata lineage is gone for good,” the paper concludes. “ elimination of one of the four current vaccine targets would have favourable implications for annual influenza vaccine reformulation, with opportunities for rational rethinking of optimal strategies to further reduce global influenza burden.”

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/covid19-safety-measures-may-have-wiped-out-an-entire-flu-lineage/

Here is the actual paper:

Which influenza viruses will emerge following the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/irv.12866#irv12866-fig-0001

I’ve got a question, which I think poik might be able to help with. In Figure 1, which shows testing levels and positive test results, why do the Australian and US graphs show COVID19 peaks with flu testing peaks, but the other countries don’t seem to do that. I understood that the COVID19 testing being done en masse here (I don’t know about America) was only being checked for COVID19 because of the time constraints.

sarahs mum said:

certain flu strains might now be extinct. The number and diversity of the surviving strains have been badly hit too, and even certain common cold viruses

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/covid19-safety-measures-may-have-wiped-out-an-entire-flu-lineage/

you know what, we’re backing down, we’re conceding the point, we’re changing our minds

remember how the wise ones told us we need to just make COVID-19 into the ‘flu’ ¿ well actually now we agree, please go ahead

party_pants, Michael V said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Why did Perotey get rid of the sign language interpreters from the pressers?

because he’s a cunt.

Seems so.

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-shocking-reason-dominic-perrottet-no-longer-has-auslan-interpreters-at-press-briefings-101221

now you’re all just being unfair, let’s read

Dominic Perrottet’s track record for delivering on his word is already pretty poor

he’s just being honest, he’s just protecting deaf people from having to deal with more pretty poor delivery on words

SCIENCE said:

party_pants, Michael V said:

party_pants said:

because he’s a cunt.

Seems so.

https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-shocking-reason-dominic-perrottet-no-longer-has-auslan-interpreters-at-press-briefings-101221

now you’re all just being unfair, let’s read

Dominic Perrottet’s track record for delivering on his word is already pretty poor

he’s just being honest, he’s just protecting deaf people from having to deal with more pretty poor delivery on words

Or he’s protecting the auslan people from infection from working unmasked.

Junior sprog asked me last night, and as I’m a complete biological numpty I had no idea as to the answer, we have a vaccine for polio why didn’t polio mutate into different strains and why is the vaccine apparently 100% effective?

sibeen, this doesn’t answer the question, but outlines the history.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio

buffy said:

sibeen, this doesn’t answer the question, but outlines the history.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio

Apparently it does mutate:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-14174-2

(You got me interested!)

buffy said:

buffy said:

sibeen, this doesn’t answer the question, but outlines the history.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio

Apparently it does mutate:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-14174-2

(You got me interested!)

And something a bit less sciency, easier to read.

https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2020/redesigning-polio-vaccine-lessons-evolution/