Date: 18/10/2021 05:53:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805018
Subject: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

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Date: 18/10/2021 06:02:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805019
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Or an updated medicare card with a chip?

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Date: 18/10/2021 06:40:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1805020
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Or an updated medicare card with a chip?

Some people object to an all-purpose national ID card. Besides it can all be done with smartphones these days so it might be time to declare them an essential service as we go forward considering the increasing digitisation of society.

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Date: 18/10/2021 06:57:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1805021
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

In Russia, experts are challenging official pandemic figures as too low. They refuse to be silenced.

Medical workers transfer a patient from an ambulance at an area reserved for coronavirus cases at the Kommunarka Hospital outside

By Robyn Dixon
Yesterday at 6:00 a.m. EDT

MOSCOW — Unshaven and puffy faced, with tubes in his nose, a patient in a hospital’s coronavirus “red zone” recorded a desperate message for Russians.

“I turned my life and my health into a disaster,” said Innokenty Sheremet, 55, who is from the Ural Mountain region city of Yekaterinburg and came down with covid-19 after forgoing vaccination.

“I turned into an infirm old man,” he continued, describing “terrible pain from any movement.” Many employees at his TV news agency also became infected. Sheremet survived, but his news service collapsed.

In Russia, a “fourth wave” of coronavirus is setting records in daily infection and death numbers, according to official statistics.

But the truth is far worse, say independent demographers and data analysts who are challenging the pandemic data issued by President Vladimir Putin’s government and who, in turn, are facing retribution from authorities. At least three top researchers have been dismissed or have resigned from their posts in government or at state universities amid pressure from bosses.

Russia’s official statistics showed 221,313 pandemic-related deaths by mid-October, but the independent demographer Alexey Raksha calculated that excess mortality — seen by analysts as the most reliable indicator of coronavirus deaths — has reached around 750,000. Raksha’s calculation used figures maintained by Rosstat, Russia’s statistical agency. Meanwhile, a report in the Moscow Times estimated the figure at about 660,000.

Russian independent analysts say officials manipulated statistics and underplayed the crisis, most likely for political reasons — claims that have been made about governments in other countries, including China and Turkey. Critics alleging data manipulation by governments say the practice is an obstacle to a full global reckoning of the pandemic’s reach.

The Russian city of Yekaterinburg is blanketed by smog from peat fires on Oct. 15. Ambulance drivers in the city were ordered to work 24-hours shifts because of the pandemic, the independent Znak media reported. (Drone photo by Alexei Kolchin/Reuters)
The Russian Ministry of Health and Rospotrebnadzor, the government agency that publishes daily coronavirus numbers, did not respond to requests for comment on allegations of low counts. Russian official statistics exclude many deaths of patients with the coronavirus where doctors judge another major factor was to blame, such as heart failure.

“The data for is absolutely unreliable,” said Alexei Kouprianov, an independent analyst and biologist who last year organized a community of experts on social media, Watching Covid. He was fired from the St. Petersburg campus of the Higher School of Economics in September 2020.

As Putin’s government tightens political control in the country, the handling of the pandemic has largely been left to the regions. The pandemic has exposed fragilities in a system in which regional officials conceal problems for fear of losing their posts and critics — even analytical experts — are sidelined.

Before the pandemic, life expectancy in Russia was 73 years, whereas it was 84 in countries including Australia, Italy and Spain, and its spending on health care was 5.6 percent of GDP compared with 16.8 percent in the United States and more than 10 percent in Japan and much of Europe, according the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Russia’s baths hold onto communal spirit in age of social distancing

Russian authorities say their handling of the pandemic has been better than the performance of many Western countries. But with 43 million Russians fully vaccinated by Oct. 14, according to the Health Ministry, about 30 percent of the 144.4 million population, Russia’s vaccination rate is one of the world’s lowest, according to data from the Britain-based Global Change Data Lab. Russia’s rate compares with 56 percent in the United States, 65 percent in Britain and 72 percent in Canada.

Recently, official Russian rhetoric has shifted. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Oct. 11 that mortality rates were high because of the “unacceptably low level of vaccination,” adding that “all conditions have been provided to citizens to save their lives by getting inoculated.”

Since Russian parliamentary elections last month, officials and state media have amplified warnings about the dangers of the coronavirus. The daily coronavirus death toll hit a record 1,002 on Friday, and the country surpassed 33,000 daily infection cases, according to state-approved figures.

“Actually, excess mortality now is more than 2,000 people each day on average,” claimed the demographer Raksha, who was fired by the official statistical agency Rosstat last year for exposing alleged undercounting of daily deaths by the reporting agency Rospotrebnadzor.

“Hospitals are overloaded,” said Andrei Konoval, the head of the independent Union of Medical Workers. Ambulance drivers were ordered to work 24-hours shifts in Yekaterinburg, the independent Znak media reported. Russian Health Minister Mikhail Murashko on Thursday called on retired doctors to return to work.

Putin’s vaccine puzzle: Why the secrecy over his jab?

Denis Protsenko, a pro-Kremlin chief of one of Moscow’s main covid-19 hospitals, sounded the alarm Friday, calling the situation “close to critical.”

“Guys, the coronavirus is not a joke or a fiction. It is surprising that in the second year of the pandemic, people still need to be convinced of this,” he said, calling on medical colleagues to “start talking in a frank and unadorned way to our compatriots.”

Raksha said he thinks that inaccurate statistics sent a message to Russians that the pandemic had been beaten and therefore left space for covid conspiracy disinformation and anti-vaccination propaganda to flood Russian social media.

“In Russia, the covid dissidents won,” he said
Alexei Raksha, an independent Russian demographer who went public with his claims that Russian health authorities were underreporting coronavirus statistics. He was fired from Russia’s statistical agency, Rosstat. (Robyn Dixon/The Washington Post)
Kouprianov said covid dissidents targeting the Watching Covid social media page often cited official statistics to argue that “nothing special is happening.”

Raksha says he never uses Russia’s official daily statistics on infections and deaths, and “I don’t recommend anyone to do it.” In Russia, a regional official typically “just draws a line by hand to flatten the curve,” he said. “They are just making up numbers, literally.”

Russia’s official coronavirus numbers are relatively low. Even Moscow’s mayor is questioning the count.

One of his prized possessions is a Soviet statistical yearbook from 1987, one of only 100 copies from the period in 1974 to 1988 when demographic statistics were kept secret. He sees a parallel now: The few Russians who follow the social media pages of reliable independent analysts can find a more accurate picture.

Another independent data expert, Alexander Dragan, monitors regional coronavirus surges by tracking searches on Yandex, Russia’s search engine, and on Google. The correlation with excess mortality has been striking, he said.

Tatiana Mikhailova an economist and expert in data analysis, formerly of the prestigious Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration, discovered a pattern in many Russian regions’ reporting on daily cases. Instead of the familiar pandemic curve, the overall case numbers swung wildly in regional reports. Numbers for the main city in region went up one day and the rest of the region’s numbers went down — as if the city and the wider region were taking turns in experiencing surges.

Now booming on Moscow’s black market: Fake vaccine certificates

“I discovered this strange pattern in many regions that basically told me that the official statistics are lying,” she said. “They just underreport the cases that they have so as not to show the growth of cases.”

After she published her graphs, the academy blocked her from giving interviews, and she resigned rather than be silenced.

“If you are working on issues that are critical for society, you have to speak to the press because you have to make your results known to the public,” Mikhailova said. “I think it’s your duty as a scientist.”

Doctors are afraid to speak out about the crisis, said Semyon Galperin, the head of the Doctors’ Defense League, an independent association. He said the crisis was sharpened by Russian health system reforms under which more than half the nation’s hospitals and clinics shut down between 2000 and 2015 and thousands of medical workers left the profession.

“The result of these reforms is a broken system,” he said. Unreliable information about the pandemic and vaccines made it worse, he added.

“We don’t know what is going on. Nobody can say what the exact situation is,” he said. “Nobody trusts anyone anymore.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-covid-count-fake-statistics/2021/10/16/b9d47058-277f-11ec-8739-5cb6aba30a30_story.html?

waits for Moll

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:41:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1805025
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Witty Rejoinder said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Or an updated medicare card with a chip?

Some people object to an all-purpose national ID card. Besides it can all be done with smartphones these days so it might be time to declare them an essential service as we go forward considering the increasing digitisation of society.

Yet nearly all of them have a smart phone or go online with a computing device.

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:44:03
From: buffy
ID: 1805027
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Our statistics here on deaths are likely to be reasonable, allowing for the dying with/dying of COVID argument.

However, our stats on cases have quite a lot of unreliability built in. As far as I know, there was no area anywhere that did blanket testing to get a snapshot at any one time. So our case numbers here

do not count most of the asymptomatic. For many months you could only get a test if you had or claimed to have symptoms – I read the webpage of instructions for going to get a test locally here. Or if you were contacted as a Tier 1 or Tier 2 contact.

I’m sure there were cases who had symptoms of variable intensity who didn’t go for testing or felt too unwell to go for a test (but just survived at home anyway) or couldn’t get to a test. Many testing stations were drive through only. This removes the opportunity for people who don’t drive to get tested. And really, if you think you might be carrying a contagious disease, should you be using public transport to go for a test?

It’s pretty complicated, but then stats usually are.

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:45:16
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1805028
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Too easy to forge. How about they just insert a chip with each vaccination? That way vaccination status can be determined with a simple hand-held scanner.

But the problem is really societal. In ye-olden times (the ’70s) the population would get vaccinated because it was the right thing to do and if the wallopers had to be sent in to encourage the hesitant to perform their societal duty, then so be it.

Unfortunately, politicians have proven themselves to less than trustworthy and people have grown more selfish and here we are.

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:45:58
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1805029
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


Our statistics here on deaths are likely to be reasonable, allowing for the dying with/dying of COVID argument.

However, our stats on cases have quite a lot of unreliability built in. As far as I know, there was no area anywhere that did blanket testing to get a snapshot at any one time. So our case numbers here

do not count most of the asymptomatic. For many months you could only get a test if you had or claimed to have symptoms – I read the webpage of instructions for going to get a test locally here. Or if you were contacted as a Tier 1 or Tier 2 contact.

I’m sure there were cases who had symptoms of variable intensity who didn’t go for testing or felt too unwell to go for a test (but just survived at home anyway) or couldn’t get to a test. Many testing stations were drive through only. This removes the opportunity for people who don’t drive to get tested. And really, if you think you might be carrying a contagious disease, should you be using public transport to go for a test?

It’s pretty complicated, but then stats usually are.

In NSW you’ve been able to get tested regardless of symptoms for many months.

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:50:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1805030
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Too easy to forge. How about they just insert a chip with each vaccination? That way vaccination status can be determined with a simple hand-held scanner.

But the problem is really societal. In ye-olden times (the ’70s) the population would get vaccinated because it was the right thing to do and if the wallopers had to be sent in to encourage the hesitant to perform their societal duty, then so be it.

Unfortunately, politicians have proven themselves to less than trustworthy and people have grown more selfish and here we are.

Fortunes can change. How’s that for optimism?

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:51:19
From: buffy
ID: 1805031
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

Our statistics here on deaths are likely to be reasonable, allowing for the dying with/dying of COVID argument.

However, our stats on cases have quite a lot of unreliability built in. As far as I know, there was no area anywhere that did blanket testing to get a snapshot at any one time. So our case numbers here

do not count most of the asymptomatic. For many months you could only get a test if you had or claimed to have symptoms – I read the webpage of instructions for going to get a test locally here. Or if you were contacted as a Tier 1 or Tier 2 contact.

I’m sure there were cases who had symptoms of variable intensity who didn’t go for testing or felt too unwell to go for a test (but just survived at home anyway) or couldn’t get to a test. Many testing stations were drive through only. This removes the opportunity for people who don’t drive to get tested. And really, if you think you might be carrying a contagious disease, should you be using public transport to go for a test?

It’s pretty complicated, but then stats usually are.

In NSW you’ve been able to get tested regardless of symptoms for many months.

But that was not the case at the beginning? I think the last time I checked the webpage here it was still saying that you would be questioned when you got there to see if you were eligible for a test. Although I admit that I haven’t looked for a few months, and they may have just not bothered to update it.

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:53:51
From: buffy
ID: 1805032
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Hmm… Victoria is not testing without symptoms or some specific other reasons:

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/taking-test-covid-19

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:57:15
From: buffy
ID: 1805034
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


Hmm… Victoria is not testing without symptoms or some specific other reasons:

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/taking-test-covid-19

I can’t see anything similar on the NSW website. If I found the right one.

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Date: 18/10/2021 07:58:52
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1805035
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


buffy said:

Hmm… Victoria is not testing without symptoms or some specific other reasons:

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/taking-test-covid-19

I can’t see anything similar on the NSW website. If I found the right one.

They ask you why but don’t turn anyone away if the answer isn’t one they want.

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Date: 18/10/2021 08:09:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1805036
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

Hmm… Victoria is not testing without symptoms or some specific other reasons:

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/taking-test-covid-19

I can’t see anything similar on the NSW website. If I found the right one.

They ask you why but don’t turn anyone away if the answer isn’t one they want.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/attending-a-clinic.aspx

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Date: 18/10/2021 08:11:42
From: buffy
ID: 1805037
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

Hmm… Victoria is not testing without symptoms or some specific other reasons:

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/taking-test-covid-19

I can’t see anything similar on the NSW website. If I found the right one.

They ask you why but don’t turn anyone away if the answer isn’t one they want.

I imagine the worried well go prepared with a symptom or two anyway. My father would have had to go for testing every week he was such a worrywart. I also think it has evolved and the need for symptoms for testing was in place for the first year or so and then eased off. Times for testing out here where there have been very few cases are down to a couple of hours a day and I suspect there are days when no-one turns up.

There is a big difference in my experience to my brother (in Melbourne). In the regions we’ve had little disease (at least little disease that has been picked up) and we live in less close contact with other people. I doubt many of the farmers have bothered to go for a test because they sneezed or coughed one morning.

:)

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Date: 18/10/2021 08:13:16
From: buffy
ID: 1805038
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I can’t see anything similar on the NSW website. If I found the right one.

They ask you why but don’t turn anyone away if the answer isn’t one they want.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/attending-a-clinic.aspx

That doesn’t say who should get tested.

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Date: 18/10/2021 08:16:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1805040
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

They ask you why but don’t turn anyone away if the answer isn’t one they want.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/attending-a-clinic.aspx

That doesn’t say who should get tested.

There doesn’t seem to be a requirement to have symptoms. Though they suggest that if you have any symptoms to get tested. the map shows though that “no referral is required” for any testing clinic.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/clinics.aspx

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Date: 18/10/2021 09:12:38
From: Michael V
ID: 1805050
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

VIC: 1,903 new local COVID-19 cases, seven deaths

69,825 tests.
………………………………………………………………………………

NSW: 265 new local COVID-19 cases, five deaths

60,273 tests.

—————————————————————————————————————-
New cases are going right down in NSW. I hope NSW appreciates all the extra vaccines QLD, WA et al. donated to help them along their path to re-opening.
—————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

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Date: 18/10/2021 10:37:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805066
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/attending-a-clinic.aspx

That doesn’t say who should get tested.

There doesn’t seem to be a requirement to have symptoms. Though they suggest that if you have any symptoms to get tested. the map shows though that “no referral is required” for any testing clinic.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/clinics.aspx

Surprisingly, good and effective practice in a pandemic of an infectious disease that is 1/4 of the time asymptomatic, is to test anyone regardless of symptoms.

As yous’l know we often have much less than complimentary to say about NSWuhan but we’ll say this about them, just like Wuhan Proper they have done a good share of mass and asymptomatic testing.

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Date: 18/10/2021 11:09:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1805072
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“Tasmania’s lockdown will lift at 6:00pm tonight.

Premier Peter Gutwein says there will be some additional restrictions.

Masks still need to be worn until 6:00pm on Friday.

Masks will apply indoors and outdoors for anyone 12 years and over unless in your own home or in your own vehicle driven either by yourself or with your immediate family.

Importantly, if you visit someone else’s home, you must wear a mask.

If you leave the 12 LGAs which were under lockdown, or travel north out of that area, you must continue to wear your mask while you’re in another part of the state.

If you’re somebody travelling into the 12 LGAs from another part of the state, you will need to wear a mask as well.

Restrictions that currently apply for aged care and hospitals will remain in place until 6:00pm on Friday night.”

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

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Date: 18/10/2021 11:19:00
From: fsm
ID: 1805075
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Or an updated medicare card with a chip?

Too expensive and cumbersome. It is much easier to just grab the vaccination data from a web server as required. This way the information is always up-to-date and you don’t have to worry about re-issuing cards.

In the old days you could prove your vaccination status just by showing the vaccine scar on your arm.

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Date: 18/10/2021 11:21:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1805077
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

fsm said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How about a vaccination card with a chip that lists all your vaccinations?

Or an updated medicare card with a chip?

Too expensive and cumbersome. It is much easier to just grab the vaccination data from a web server as required. This way the information is always up-to-date and you don’t have to worry about re-issuing cards.

In the old days you could prove your vaccination status just by showing the vaccine scar on your arm.

For smallpox vax. I can still show mine.

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Date: 18/10/2021 13:25:06
From: Michael V
ID: 1805110
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“Queensland Premier asks everyone to tune in ‘for an important announcement’

She will speak in about half an hour.

——————————————
Uh-oh.

That’s now in just a few minutes.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

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Date: 18/10/2021 13:44:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805119
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

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Date: 18/10/2021 13:46:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805120
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

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Date: 18/10/2021 13:47:09
From: buffy
ID: 1805121
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

You noticed that is an advertorial, didn’t you?

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Date: 18/10/2021 13:48:35
From: Woodie
ID: 1805123
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

Don’t they advertise this gizmo on tele?

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Date: 18/10/2021 13:51:46
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805124
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

You noticed that is an advertorial, didn’t you?

Yes, and its highly priced at $97.

Still, I’d like to try it though.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:00:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1805125
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

You noticed that is an advertorial, didn’t you?

Yes, and its highly priced at $97.

Still, I’d like to try it though.

Interestingly, my grandmother (who suffered severe asthma all her adult life) had a cheap device that did the same thing this expensive device purports to do.

It was a plastic tube with one end in a jug of water. Her doctor prescribed this in 1967, requiring her to push all the air in her lungs out through the tube several times a day. He threatened her with the possibility of hospital over Christmas. She did this exercise for the rest of her life and was never hospitalised again.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:07:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805126
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

Interestingly, my grandmother (who suffered severe asthma all her adult life) had a cheap device that did the same thing this expensive device purports to do.

It was a plastic tube with one end in a jug of water. Her doctor prescribed this in 1967, requiring her to push all the air in her lungs out through the tube several times a day. He threatened her with the possibility of hospital over Christmas. She did this exercise for the rest of her life and was never hospitalised again.

How long did she live after she began doing it?

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:08:01
From: buffy
ID: 1805127
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

I’m not doing a Sweden Stalk today because they are stuck at number 52 on the deaths per million list, waiting for Iran and Ukraine to catch up to them. Instead, here is a piece about Scandinavia, although it does talk about each of the three countries individually.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94965

(I didn’t know about Medpage Today, but it complies with the HONcode standard for trustworthy health information. I use the Health On the Net (HON) search engine. It’s been around quite a long time now and I was put onto it by the College of Optometry, I think)

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:08:19
From: Michael V
ID: 1805129
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

QLD’s going to open up…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:08:51
From: buffy
ID: 1805130
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Ah, here you go…since 1995 apparently. I must have been using it nearly that long.

https://www.hon.ch/cgi-bin/HONcode/principles.pl?English

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:09:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805131
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


QLD’s going to open up…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

The freedom train’s a-comin…

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:10:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1805132
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Interestingly, my grandmother (who suffered severe asthma all her adult life) had a cheap device that did the same thing this expensive device purports to do.

It was a plastic tube with one end in a jug of water. Her doctor prescribed this in 1967, requiring her to push all the air in her lungs out through the tube several times a day. He threatened her with the possibility of hospital over Christmas. She did this exercise for the rest of her life and was never hospitalised again.

How long did she live after she began doing it?

About another thirty years IIRC.

Breast cancer got her eventually.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:11:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805133
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Interestingly, my grandmother (who suffered severe asthma all her adult life) had a cheap device that did the same thing this expensive device purports to do.

It was a plastic tube with one end in a jug of water. Her doctor prescribed this in 1967, requiring her to push all the air in her lungs out through the tube several times a day. He threatened her with the possibility of hospital over Christmas. She did this exercise for the rest of her life and was never hospitalised again.

How long did she live after she began doing it?

About another thirty years IIRC.

Breast cancer got her eventually.

Oh, thirty years, well, OK.

If it was like…five days, it would have detracted a bit from validation of the method.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:16:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1805134
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:17:38
From: buffy
ID: 1805136
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Might this go some way to explaining things in America? Study from Sweden on obesity, ICU/death and COVID19

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0257891

“Impact of obesity on intensive care outcomes in patients with COVID-19 in Sweden—A cohort study”

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:20:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805137
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

Looking around, I think they use a vacuum of some sort.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:25:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1805139
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


QLD’s going to open up…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

Praise the Lord.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:28:44
From: Woodie
ID: 1805141
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

You noticed that is an advertorial, didn’t you?

Yes, and its highly priced at $97.

Still, I’d like to try it though.

Or ask your GP about it first.

You could always just blow up a balloon.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:29:12
From: Michael V
ID: 1805143
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

How long did she live after she began doing it?

About another thirty years IIRC.

Breast cancer got her eventually.

Oh, thirty years, well, OK.

If it was like…five days, it would have detracted a bit from validation of the method.

LOL

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:31:59
From: buffy
ID: 1805145
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


Might this go some way to explaining things in America? Study from Sweden on obesity, ICU/death and COVID19

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0257891

“Impact of obesity on intensive care outcomes in patients with COVID-19 in Sweden—A cohort study”

Then again, it could just be that if you are a bit on the chubby side, whatever puts you in ICU might be a problem anyway.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:33:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805147
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


buffy said:

Might this go some way to explaining things in America? Study from Sweden on obesity, ICU/death and COVID19

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0257891

“Impact of obesity on intensive care outcomes in patients with COVID-19 in Sweden—A cohort study”

Then again, it could just be that if you are a bit on the chubby side, whatever puts you in ICU might be a problem anyway.

Obesity is very rarely seen as a positive factor in any clinical situation.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:37:27
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1805150
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sarahs mum said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

A doctor mate of mine made a reference to “Face down on intubation”, so maybe gravity is employed to do the job.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:39:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805151
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

A doctor mate of mine made a reference to “Face down on intubation”, so maybe gravity is employed to do the job.

I read somewhere that lying face down can improve breathing by around 10 percent.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:40:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805152
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sarahs mum said:

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!

Or just have a look at these. Sort of interesting, they are:

https://pubs.asahq.org/anesthesiology/article/86/6/1367/36063/Clearance-of-Mucus-from-Endotracheal-Tubes-during

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18176317/

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:44:19
From: buffy
ID: 1805158
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

Might this go some way to explaining things in America? Study from Sweden on obesity, ICU/death and COVID19

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0257891

“Impact of obesity on intensive care outcomes in patients with COVID-19 in Sweden—A cohort study”

Then again, it could just be that if you are a bit on the chubby side, whatever puts you in ICU might be a problem anyway.

Obesity is very rarely seen as a positive factor in any clinical situation.

Then again, apparently a little overweight can be a Good Thing. This seems to be a very recent paper on the topic. Using the Framingham heart study data. Gosh that study has been analyzed to death!

“People who are normal weight in early adulthood and gradually move to overweight status during later adulthood have the lowest mortality risk.”

Here is the actual paper:

https://sci-hub.mksa.top/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.annepidem.2021.01.003

(And yes, I do like that I fit that category nicely)

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:44:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1805160
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!

Or just have a look at these. Sort of interesting, they are:

https://pubs.asahq.org/anesthesiology/article/86/6/1367/36063/Clearance-of-Mucus-from-Endotracheal-Tubes-during

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18176317/

ta.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:45:59
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805161
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Just spotted this, A lung cleaning device.

This All-Natural “Lung Cleaning” Device Helps Me Breathe Easier & Strengthens My Lungs!

How does AirPhysio work?

Using AirPhysio is easy – it’s like an OPEP device, but much more efficient:

Blow into the AirPhysio. You don’t need to breathe too hard – just enough to make the ball bearing inside the clear cap lift up (that’s how you know it’s working). This builds pressure within the lungs, which opens them up and gets behind the mucus that’s responsible for the heaviness in your chest.

As the mucus is lifted upward toward the throat, you’ll be able to remove it by coughing or swallowing.

Repeat this process as often as needed (usually about 10 times) to fully clean your lungs from the mucus. The more you use it, the cleaner your lungs will be!

more…

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

A doctor mate of mine made a reference to “Face down on intubation”, so maybe gravity is employed to do the job.

https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/covid-patients-pandemic-prone-position-stomach-chest-sideways-oxygen-levels-improve-experts-explain-respiratory-7283222/

As per the findings published in the journal Accident Emergency Medicine in May 2020, 50 patients with confirmed hypoxia were under focus for this study and their median saturation of oxygen in blood was 80 per cent, which was raised to 84 per cent after the provision of supplemental oxygen. After five minutes of lying in the prone position, the levels of oxygen saturation were raised to 94 per cent, and the patients were also put on supplemental oxygen. In this study, intubation was not needed in nearly two-thirds of the admitted patients.

and

https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/india-news-covid-19-does-lying-face-down-in-prone-position-improve-oxygen-levels/381014

How does the prone position help?

According to Dr Praveen Gupta, director and head of department, neurology, Fortis Memorial Research Institute, Gurugram, “This position helps in improving oxygen flow in patients who are critical, in turn ensuring that they are less likely to require ventilator support.”

As per a National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) study ‘Awake Proning: A Necessary Evil During the COVID-19 Pandemic’ published in Cureus Journal in July 2020, “Awake proning delays the use of mechanical ventilation and facilitates the patients with severe ARDS or severe pneumonia in maintaining the supply of oxygen to the body tissues. Since medical institutes are overburdened and limited ventilators are available, awake proning can reduce not only the burden on hospitals but also decrease the need for ventilators.”

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:49:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1805163
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

Which reminds me…When you are intubated what happens to the phlegm?

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!

Or just have a look at these. Sort of interesting, they are:

https://pubs.asahq.org/anesthesiology/article/86/6/1367/36063/Clearance-of-Mucus-from-Endotracheal-Tubes-during

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18176317/

poor sheeps.

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:49:24
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805164
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Wuhan study shows lying face down improves breathing in severe COVID-19

Understanding How Prone Position Is Used in Medical Settings

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Date: 18/10/2021 14:59:31
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805169
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Wuhan study shows lying face down improves breathing in severe COVID-19

Understanding How Prone Position Is Used in Medical Settings

Awake Proning: A Necessary Evil During the COVID-19 Pandemic

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Date: 19/10/2021 00:02:01
From: sibeen
ID: 1805437
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell dies of COVID-19 complications

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/colin-powell-dies-of-covid-19-complications/100549398

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Date: 19/10/2021 00:13:17
From: dv
ID: 1805439
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sibeen said:


Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell dies of COVID-19 complications

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/colin-powell-dies-of-covid-19-complications/100549398

I think the Powell Doctrine stands up, and might actually be utilised in the new era.

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Date: 19/10/2021 06:07:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805444
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

sibeen said:

Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell dies of COVID-19 complications

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/colin-powell-dies-of-covid-19-complications/100549398

I think the Powell Doctrine stands up, and might actually be utilised in the new era.

what about the bring a vial of chalk to the table to sway opinion on the possibility of weapons of mass destruction part

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Date: 19/10/2021 06:15:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805446
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,903 new local COVID-19 cases, seven deaths

69,825 tests.
………………………………………………………………………………

NSW: 265 new local COVID-19 cases, five deaths

60,273 tests.

—————————————————————————————————————-
New cases are going right down in NSW. I hope NSW appreciates all the extra vaccines QLD, WA et al. donated to help them along their path to re-opening.
—————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100546702

One. ^

Two. See ¡ With Freedom® comes even better pandemic control ¡ WTF*

*: obviously there are other factors like vaccination, normalised mask wearing, delay between superspreading and case ascertainment

Three. Assuming the numbers are legit’** then the clear interpretation should be: before the tipping point, numbers climb dramatically and scarily; after the tipping point they fall persistently and reassuringly. Which fits entirely with simple exponential modelling of R > 1 and R < 1 scenarios, which makes it even more pointed a question why anyone would insist on flipping it back and forth above and below 1 in a game of ICU chicken when you could just get cases low and then keep R anywhere below 1 persistently.

**: based on what has happened elsewhere, the expected trajectory, and reporting patterns it seems there is no reason to believe they’ren’t

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Date: 19/10/2021 09:11:25
From: Michael V
ID: 1805492
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

NSW: 273 new cases, 4 deaths.

VIC: 1,749 new cases, 11 deaths.

———————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

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Date: 19/10/2021 09:14:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805493
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


NSW: 273 new cases, 4 deaths.

VIC: 1,749 new cases, 11 deaths.

———————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Qld’s new COVID slogan:

Hope you got your things together
Hope you are quite prepared to die

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Date: 19/10/2021 09:23:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1805496
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

NSW: 273 new cases, 4 deaths.

VIC: 1,749 new cases, 11 deaths.

———————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Qld’s new COVID slogan:

Hope you got your things together
Hope you are quite prepared to die

I got my stuff together. I’m double vaccinated. I have a couple of washable cloth masks. I have hand steriliser.

I’m ambivalent about dying, but what will be will be.

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Date: 19/10/2021 09:51:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805510
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 273 new cases, 4 deaths.

VIC: 1,749 new cases, 11 deaths.

———————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Qld’s new COVID slogan:

Hope you got your things together
Hope you are quite prepared to die

I got my stuff together. I’m double vaccinated. I have a couple of washable cloth masks. I have hand steriliser.

I’m ambivalent about dying, but what will be will be.

so NSW on the way up, VIC on the way down

fk Gutless

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Date: 19/10/2021 09:56:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805516
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

A registered nurse, who has experience working in ICU wards, Varnhagen has become the first known AFL or AFLW player to refuse the COVID-19 vaccination.

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Date: 19/10/2021 10:13:08
From: Michael V
ID: 1805517
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


A registered nurse, who has experience working in ICU wards, Varnhagen has become the first known AFL or AFLW player to refuse the COVID-19 vaccination.

Would you want her looking after you in ICU, given that she clearly doesn’t respect the scientific approach to medicine?

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Date: 19/10/2021 10:19:50
From: Michael V
ID: 1805519
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“Michael Gunner is the Northern Territory Chief Minister and he did not take kindly to Texas Senator Ted Cruz criticising his new policy on mandated vaccines for workers.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————————
The whole short article is worth a read. It certainly brought a big smile to my face.
———————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

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Date: 19/10/2021 10:45:39
From: fsm
ID: 1805526
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sibeen said:


Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell dies of COVID-19 complications

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-18/colin-powell-dies-of-covid-19-complications/100549398

Donald Trump attempts to eulogize Colin Powell and confuses Colin Powell with Colin Hanks, who he confuses with Chet Hanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGuBO95JWuk

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Date: 19/10/2021 10:56:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1805530
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/operations-cancelled-in-victoria-as-covid-19-patients-take-hospital-beds/ar-AAPFend

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Date: 19/10/2021 15:56:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805622
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

A registered nurse, who has experience working in ICU wards, Varnhagen has become the first known AFL or AFLW player to refuse the COVID-19 vaccination.

Would you want her looking after you in ICU, given that she clearly doesn’t respect the scientific approach to medicine?

“Michael Gunner is the Northern Territory Chief Minister and he did not take kindly to Texas Senator Ted Cruz criticising his new policy on mandated vaccines for workers.”

———————————————————————————————————————————————————
The whole short article is worth a read. It certainly brought a big smile to my face.
———————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Now promoted to standalone article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-defends-covid-vaccine-mandate/100549974

By Jessica Riga

Chief Minister says he is worried about vulnerable groups, not those who could lose jobs in wake of vaccine mandate

(ABC News: Terry McDonald)

Northern Territory Chief Minister Michael Gunner says he is not worried about job losses that occur as a result of his government’s COVID vaccine mandate.

Mr Gunner said any job losses would be necessary and acceptable to keep vulnerable Territorians safe as governments across Australia relaxed public health measures.

Last week, Mr Gunner announced a vaccine mandate covering workers in a broad range of settings, including workers in all public-facing roles.

Under the mandate workers could be fined or potentially dismissed if they do not receive at least one dose of a COVID vaccine by November 13 and a second dose by December 24.

“There may be people who choose not to continue in their current jobs because we are requiring vaccination, that may happen,” Mr Gunner told ABC Radio Darwin this morning.

“I’d rather they get vaccinated. But that’s their choice. You can’t choose to be vulnerable, you can choose to be vaccinated.”

indeed we remember this

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1799100/

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Date: 19/10/2021 15:57:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1805623
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Would you want her looking after you in ICU, given that she clearly doesn’t respect the scientific approach to medicine?

“Michael Gunner is the Northern Territory Chief Minister and he did not take kindly to Texas Senator Ted Cruz criticising his new policy on mandated vaccines for workers.”

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The whole short article is worth a read. It certainly brought a big smile to my face.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Now promoted to standalone article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-defends-covid-vaccine-mandate/100549974

By Jessica Riga

Chief Minister says he is worried about vulnerable groups, not those who could lose jobs in wake of vaccine mandate

(ABC News: Terry McDonald)

Northern Territory Chief Minister Michael Gunner says he is not worried about job losses that occur as a result of his government’s COVID vaccine mandate.

Mr Gunner said any job losses would be necessary and acceptable to keep vulnerable Territorians safe as governments across Australia relaxed public health measures.

Last week, Mr Gunner announced a vaccine mandate covering workers in a broad range of settings, including workers in all public-facing roles.

Under the mandate workers could be fined or potentially dismissed if they do not receive at least one dose of a COVID vaccine by November 13 and a second dose by December 24.

“There may be people who choose not to continue in their current jobs because we are requiring vaccination, that may happen,” Mr Gunner told ABC Radio Darwin this morning.

“I’d rather they get vaccinated. But that’s their choice. You can’t choose to be vulnerable, you can choose to be vaccinated.”

indeed we remember this

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1799100/

:)

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Date: 19/10/2021 15:59:44
From: Michael V
ID: 1805624
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Ah well. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke.

Get vaccinated, you donkey.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/novak-djokovic-could-miss-australian-open-covid-19-vaccine/100550326

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:00:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805626
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Michael Gunner is the Northern Territory Chief Minister and he did not take kindly to Texas Senator Ted Cruz criticising his new policy on mandated vaccines for workers.”

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The whole short article is worth a read. It certainly brought a big smile to my face.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Now promoted to standalone article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-defends-covid-vaccine-mandate/100549974

:)

we’ve decided to grow a mullet too but family are not too happy about it

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:00:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1805627
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Would you want her looking after you in ICU, given that she clearly doesn’t respect the scientific approach to medicine?

“Michael Gunner is the Northern Territory Chief Minister and he did not take kindly to Texas Senator Ted Cruz criticising his new policy on mandated vaccines for workers.”

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The whole short article is worth a read. It certainly brought a big smile to my face.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Now promoted to standalone article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-defends-covid-vaccine-mandate/100549974

By Jessica Riga

Chief Minister says he is worried about vulnerable groups, not those who could lose jobs in wake of vaccine mandate

(ABC News: Terry McDonald)

Northern Territory Chief Minister Michael Gunner says he is not worried about job losses that occur as a result of his government’s COVID vaccine mandate.

Mr Gunner said any job losses would be necessary and acceptable to keep vulnerable Territorians safe as governments across Australia relaxed public health measures.

Last week, Mr Gunner announced a vaccine mandate covering workers in a broad range of settings, including workers in all public-facing roles.

Under the mandate workers could be fined or potentially dismissed if they do not receive at least one dose of a COVID vaccine by November 13 and a second dose by December 24.

“There may be people who choose not to continue in their current jobs because we are requiring vaccination, that may happen,” Mr Gunner told ABC Radio Darwin this morning.

“I’d rather they get vaccinated. But that’s their choice. You can’t choose to be vulnerable, you can choose to be vaccinated.”

indeed we remember this

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1799100/

And all these people will find that their next job will require them to be vaccinated.

It would be interesting to find out if they had vaccinations when they were children, and how they relate to that now?

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:04:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805628
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Michael Gunner is the Northern Territory Chief Minister and he did not take kindly to Texas Senator Ted Cruz criticising his new policy on mandated vaccines for workers.”

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The whole short article is worth a read. It certainly brought a big smile to my face.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-tasmania-lockdown-press-conferences/100549130

Now promoted to standalone article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-defends-covid-vaccine-mandate/100549974

Mr Gunner said any job losses would be necessary and acceptable to keep vulnerable Territorians safe as governments across Australia relaxed public health measures. Under the mandate workers could be fined or potentially dismissed if they do not receive at least one dose of a COVID vaccine by November 13 and a second dose by December 24.

And all these people will find that their next job will require them to be vaccinated.

It would be interesting to find out if they had vaccinations when they were children, and how they relate to that now?

we have wondered if all the hooha about vaccine clots and heartburn is an absolute beat up by jokers who have never tasted a needle since their teenage or even early childhood years

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:08:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1805629
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:

And all these people will find that their next job will require them to be vaccinated.

It would be interesting to find out if they had vaccinations when they were children, and how they relate to that now?

Yesterday i asked my GP if i could get the shingles vaccine.

‘Vaccines, yeah, i like, gimme, gimme, gimme’.

She said:

1. No not for free, unless you’re 70 or older

2. Yes, if i want to pay for it.

3. Hold on a little bit longer – there’s a new and better anti-shingles vax just about to be released for use in Australia.

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:19:08
From: Cymek
ID: 1805631
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Now promoted to standalone article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-defends-covid-vaccine-mandate/100549974

Mr Gunner said any job losses would be necessary and acceptable to keep vulnerable Territorians safe as governments across Australia relaxed public health measures. Under the mandate workers could be fined or potentially dismissed if they do not receive at least one dose of a COVID vaccine by November 13 and a second dose by December 24.

And all these people will find that their next job will require them to be vaccinated.

It would be interesting to find out if they had vaccinations when they were children, and how they relate to that now?

we have wondered if all the hooha about vaccine clots and heartburn is an absolute beat up by jokers who have never tasted a needle since their teenage or even early childhood years

Sooky la la’s?

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:23:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1805632
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/nt-chief-minister-michael-gunner-address-anti-vaccine-protest/100550236

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Date: 19/10/2021 16:30:56
From: Michael V
ID: 1805633
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/qantas-to-face-court-over-action-against-safety-worker/100550816

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Date: 19/10/2021 17:58:36
From: Michael V
ID: 1805659
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“Due to the circulating and highly contagious Delta variant, CDC recommends universal indoor masking by all students (age 2 and older), staff, teachers, and visitors to K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status.” (CDC)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/masks-could-limit-spread-covid-19-when-schools-reopen/100549760

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/k-12-guidance.html

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Date: 19/10/2021 18:21:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805673
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

“Due to the circulating and highly contagious Delta variant, CDC recommends universal indoor masking by all students (age 2 and older), staff, teachers, and visitors to K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status.” (CDC)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-19/masks-could-limit-spread-covid-19-when-schools-reopen/100549760

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/k-12-guidance.html

oh don’t worry the dUK have a bunch of lessons on what not to do in a pandemic, which NSWuhan will learn from and exactly do very soon

promise but don’t deliver

fake the tests, roll out false negatives en masse, have an immense lab testing fiasco

pretend your health systems are coping, and let the media cover your arse

send everyone back to school so that they can get sick and have to stay home from school

create your own, homegrown, more-nasty-than-B.1.617.2, B.1.617.2-derived, variant

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Date: 19/10/2021 18:35:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805685
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Hey hey good news we have Australian evidence that a highly contagious and lethal virus becomes … without infection control measures … more contagious and lethal ¡ Wow ¡¡ What A Surprise ¡¡¡

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Date: 19/10/2021 18:38:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805686
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

More Good News, COVID-19 Ages You By 5 Years And Shortens Your Telomeres ¡

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8201243/pdf/ijms-22-06151.pdf

Vaccination is like adding an age shield but once you’re done…

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Date: 19/10/2021 18:43:52
From: Cymek
ID: 1805689
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


More Good News, COVID-19 Ages You By 5 Years And Shortens Your Telomeres ¡

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8201243/pdf/ijms-22-06151.pdf

Vaccination is like adding an age shield but once you’re done…

Covid 19 “Ignore me at your peril Bitches!”

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Date: 19/10/2021 22:39:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805778
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

While Queensland typically staffed about 300 intensive care unit beds, Dr Young said that could be safely and “rapidly increased” to 600, if needed.

“We’ve got plenty of beds and ventilators and all of the consumables, and we’ve got trained staff,” Dr Young said.

Well that’s easy for you to say, it’s your own fault for not letting a bullshit Binchicken outbreak take hold and consume all your resources and shut down nonemergency care provision for 4 months, sheesh.

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Date: 20/10/2021 05:11:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805809
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Communist Freedom Looks Better Than Ever

The Moscow city government has ordered people aged 60 and over to stay home for four months and told businesses to have at least 30 per cent of staff work from home amid a surge in COVID-19 cases and deaths in Russia.

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Date: 20/10/2021 05:13:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805810
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

In Civilised Australia, Lynch Mobs Are A Paranoid Fantasy

Northern Territory Chief Minister says his family had to leave their home after his personal address was disclosed in front of a large contingent of anti-vaccine protestors at the weekend.

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Date: 20/10/2021 09:10:46
From: Michael V
ID: 1805849
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Novak Djokovic won’t be able to enter Australia unless he is vaccinated, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke says.

(snip)

“Things being as they are, I still don’t know if I will go to Melbourne,” Djokovic said.

“I will not reveal my status, whether I have been vaccinated or not. It is a private matter and an inappropriate inquiry.

“People go too far these days in taking the liberty to ask questions and judge a person. Whatever you say, ‘yes’, ‘no’, ‘maybe’, ‘I am thinking about it’, they will take advantage.”

On Wednesday morning Mr Hawke said Australia’s policy for incoming arrivals would also apply to international athletes.

“Our health advice is that when we open the borders everyone that comes to Australia will have to be double-vaccinated,” Mr Hawke said.

Djokovic has won the Australian Open a record nine times, including the last three times in a row.

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Djoker – Cut off your nose to spite your face. Don’t come. I don’t care…

We can guess your vaccination status – you are a loud-mouthed, rabid anti-vaxxer, after all.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/novak-djokovic-australian-open-covid-vaccine-alex-hawke/100552484

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Date: 20/10/2021 09:17:31
From: Michael V
ID: 1805853
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

VIC: 1,841 new local COVID-19 cases, twelve deaths.

78,928 tests

………………………………………

NSW: 283 new cases, seven deaths.

88,664 tests.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/covid-19-live-updates-wednesday-october-20/100552010

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Date: 20/10/2021 11:15:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1805921
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Uh-oh.

Still, they are unlikely to spread COVID, as they were in QLD.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/sa-redbacks-cricketers-investigated-over-covid19-breach/100552560

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Date: 20/10/2021 11:58:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1805961
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Crazy Western Australian Communists Banging On About Masks And Keeping Children Safe Again

https://theconversation.com/covid-19-cases-rise-when-schools-open-but-more-so-when-teachers-and-students-dont-wear-masks-169928

Tell you what protects children even better than masks which are pretty much the best intervention out there though.

Having zero community transmission in the first place.

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Date: 20/10/2021 13:19:25
From: Arts
ID: 1805984
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Australia has apparently reached 70%. so phase two of learning to live with COVID is afoot. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/national-double-dose-full-vaccination-rate-reaches-70-per-cent/100552790

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Date: 20/10/2021 13:37:46
From: transition
ID: 1805998
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Arts said:


Australia has apparently reached 70%. so phase two of learning to live with COVID is afoot. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/national-double-dose-full-vaccination-rate-reaches-70-per-cent/100552790

reading that

“..target set by the government to begin moving out of the pandemic..”

is that really the case, what does out of mean in that, I guess that’s deeming intentional endemic status isn’t or can’t be also pandemic status

dunno, I might have some of my own ideas about what is pandemic status

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Date: 20/10/2021 13:42:32
From: Arts
ID: 1806002
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

transition said:


Arts said:

Australia has apparently reached 70%. so phase two of learning to live with COVID is afoot. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/national-double-dose-full-vaccination-rate-reaches-70-per-cent/100552790

reading that

“..target set by the government to begin moving out of the pandemic..”

is that really the case, what does out of mean in that, I guess that’s deeming intentional endemic status isn’t or can’t be also pandemic status

dunno, I might have some of my own ideas about what is pandemic status

nothings moving out.. the pandemic is here to stay like a 30 yr old bald guy who’s into anamie and lives in his mothers basement

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Date: 20/10/2021 13:46:36
From: Michael V
ID: 1806004
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

This guy might not be in his job much longer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/canberra-principal-criticises-vaccine-mandates-facebook-video/100552332

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Date: 20/10/2021 13:53:47
From: transition
ID: 1806009
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Arts said:


transition said:

Arts said:

Australia has apparently reached 70%. so phase two of learning to live with COVID is afoot. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/national-double-dose-full-vaccination-rate-reaches-70-per-cent/100552790

reading that

“..target set by the government to begin moving out of the pandemic..”

is that really the case, what does out of mean in that, I guess that’s deeming intentional endemic status isn’t or can’t be also pandemic status

dunno, I might have some of my own ideas about what is pandemic status

nothings moving out.. the pandemic is here to stay like a 30 yr old bald guy who’s into anamie and lives in his mothers basement

chuckle

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Date: 21/10/2021 04:00:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806250
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/nsw-government-95-million-dollar-covid-vaccine-facility/100555048

uh isn’t that what Chairman Dan said

oh wait

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-20/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-contracts/100553958

Aha so by turning down the lock in contract that would have vaccinated Australia 6 months earlier, Marketing Gutless saved Australia again, from Pfizer, from efficacy waning in the hot season, from zero COVID-19, from ICAC, from climate counter-terrorism, from everything ¡

Our Lords, Our Saviours

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Date: 21/10/2021 09:20:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1806301
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

VIC: 2,232 new local cases, 12 deaths.

NSW: 372 new local cases, one death.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

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Date: 21/10/2021 09:38:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806306
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

as usual we already introduced this from another source and Your ABC is behind yet again but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-21/influenza-virus-yamagata-eradication-vaccine-covid-pandemic/100546836

yeah like we said, we acknowledge that the psychopaths were a little correct, we really should make COVID-19 like the ‘flu’, extinct

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Date: 21/10/2021 09:45:38
From: Michael V
ID: 1806313
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


as usual we already introduced this from another source and Your ABC is behind yet again but

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-21/influenza-virus-yamagata-eradication-vaccine-covid-pandemic/100546836

yeah like we said, we acknowledge that the psychopaths were a little correct, we really should make COVID-19 like the ‘flu’, extinct

Yes.

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Date: 21/10/2021 10:36:06
From: transition
ID: 1806324
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


VIC: 2,232 new local cases, 12 deaths.

NSW: 372 new local cases, one death.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

after read that above I read this below
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-21/influenza-virus-yamagata-eradication-vaccine-covid-pandemic/100546836

and must say the writer writing for the apparatus did a grand job of avoiding explicit reference to travel and human travel being a vehicle for viruses (particularly when they travel together in capsules), but more impressive was the absence of the more informal or personal dimension of prophylactic behaviors to reduce the likelihood of contracting infections, and transmitting them, behaviors people commonly adopt, that preceded covid, which includes traveling less

lovely ‘clean’ messaging out of the apparatus

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:08:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806339
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

and now this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-vaccine-peak-protection-period-miised-in-some-states/100550696

prima facie seems reasonable but we’ll give you 900 s to pre-empt us and give us your

¿ thoughts ?

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:22:55
From: Michael V
ID: 1806343
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

One new community COVID case in Queensland.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says the case is on the Gold Coast. The man was not vaccinated and was “potentially infectious in the community for up to 10 days”.

Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:35:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806349
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

One new community COVID case in Queensland. Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

well …

… yes

we mean what’s the alternative, that we believe that jesus was immaculately conceived

¿

on the other hand maybe it’s another mediscare campaign to trick everyone into getting shot

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:42:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1806350
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

One new community COVID case in Queensland. Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

well …

… yes

we mean what’s the alternative, that we believe that jesus was immaculately conceived

¿

on the other hand maybe it’s another mediscare campaign to trick everyone into getting shot

Part of the plan to put nanochips in our bodies to implement order 66

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:48:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1806351
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


One new community COVID case in Queensland.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says the case is on the Gold Coast. The man was not vaccinated and was “potentially infectious in the community for up to 10 days”.

Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

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Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:48:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806352
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

One new community COVID case in Queensland. Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

well … yes

we mean what’s the alternative, that we believe that jesus was immaculately conceived

maybe it’s another mediscare campaign to trick everyone into getting shot

Part of the plan to put nanochips in our bodies to implement order 66

immaculately grown nanochips

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:52:16
From: Cymek
ID: 1806353
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

One new community COVID case in Queensland.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says the case is on the Gold Coast. The man was not vaccinated and was “potentially infectious in the community for up to 10 days”.

Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

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Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

Almost a worse case scenario, luckily he wasn’t a professional sneezer

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:53:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806354
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

One new community COVID case in Queensland.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says the case is on the Gold Coast. The man was not vaccinated and was “potentially infectious in the community for up to 10 days”.

Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

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Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

Almost a worse case scenario, luckily he wasn’t a professional sneezer

can’t find our previous line on it but seriously it’s as if these idiots are being paid by psychopaths to intentionally spread disease

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Date: 21/10/2021 11:55:26
From: Tamb
ID: 1806355
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

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Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

Almost a worse case scenario, luckily he wasn’t a professional sneezer

can’t find our previous line on it but seriously it’s as if these idiots are being paid by psychopaths to intentionally spread disease


He’s a Victorian. No further explanation needed.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:01:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1806356
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

———————————————————————————————————————————————————
Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

Almost a worse case scenario, luckily he wasn’t a professional sneezer

can’t find our previous line on it but seriously it’s as if these idiots are being paid by psychopaths to intentionally spread disease

Some people are just thoughtless. Just thoughtless.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:01:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806357
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:

and now this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-vaccine-peak-protection-period-miised-in-some-states/100550696

prima facie seems reasonable but we’ll give you 900 s to pre-empt us and give us your

¿ thoughts ?

oh all right we’ll mollwollfumble this one

The sluggish vaccination rollout in non-COVID states such as Western Australia and Queensland — and both states’ resistance to exposing their population to the virus — means they are missing out on the “maximum protection period” from the vaccines, leading experts say.

Why is this important ¿ Why do they need “maximum protection” right now, when they actually have control without “maximum protection” ¿ Surely maximum protection comes from having good infection control measures already.

Experts say research showing a waning efficacy of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines means a sluggish rollout could equate to more circulation of the virus when the states eventually open up, putting the vulnerable at risk.

Well yes, that’s going to happen no matter when your waning efficacy happens.

Bennett told the ABC the first couple of months after vaccination was the “maximum protection period” and the population was “less likely” to pass on the virus. “In the short term, the vaccines work particularly well,” Professor Bennett said

Oh so now it’s apparently mainstream after we’ve been saying for 6 months, it wears off, well, so, where’s them booster shots then ¿

“So this is the advantage of taking the maximum benefit from the vaccines in those first couple of months after most people get their second dose, as we’ve seen in NSW and [now] Victoria, to actually ease restrictions because that should help us not get the big surge [during the] necessary part of opening up.”

  1. “nececssary” … “opening up” WTF
  2. because the “big surge” comes from mobility going from 30% to 100%, and not from mobility going from 100% to 100% ¿ Think about that for a moment

MacIntyre said a speedy rollout was critical for the non-COVID states. “You never know when an outbreak is going to occur that can upend everything,” Professor MacIntyre said. “They need to vaccinate everyone as soon as possible.”

On what basis is that justified ¿ That is: if vaccine effectiveness wears off after a couple of months, then what do you think is going to happen if you vaccinate everyone as soon as possible, but the outbreak that upends everything happens 4 months after that ¿

Oh wait, that’s what’s been happening in other places around the world, who the fuck would have thought ¿

Oh oh wait wait here’s the punch line, suddenly here we go ¡

According to Professor Cunningham, getting to 90 per cent or above should still be the main priority for all jurisdictions, to reduce the circulation of the virus.

Imagine that.

“My professional recommendation is booster shots for the ageing after six months, and for the immunocompromised after three months,” he said.

About 500,000 people would be eligible for a third dose under ATAGI’s advice. The federal government is yet to commit to date for booster shots for the elderly or other vulnerable communities, but yesterday indicated it would like the rollout in aged care to start next month.

OH, RIGHT

Maybe lead with this actual valid justification that you can only get your 3rd dose after you get your 2nd after you get your 1st, for greater and more durable protection, from severe disease as well as transmission.

Maybe actually also correctly frame the justification, because claiming that “studies of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines showed they were still highly effective in protecting people from hospitalisation and death” means that the actual purpose of the 3rd dose is not going to be to maintain an already maintained protection “from hospitalisation and death”, but to restore protection from transmission.

Nah, as transition says, the fuckers in the media don’t do correct justification, they do narrative and sycophandemic panderemic clickbait.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:30:01
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806360
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tamb said:


SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Almost a worse case scenario, luckily he wasn’t a professional sneezer

can’t find our previous line on it but seriously it’s as if these idiots are being paid by psychopaths to intentionally spread disease


He’s a Victorian. No further explanation needed.

We are an exceptional lot.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:30:52
From: Michael V
ID: 1806363
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

One new community COVID case in Queensland.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says the case is on the Gold Coast. The man was not vaccinated and was “potentially infectious in the community for up to 10 days”.

Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

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Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

Unclear at this stage why new Queensland COVID case was not in quarantine.

As we know, a new positive COVID case on the Gold Coast presented to the emergency department at Robina Hospital yesterday and is now so sick with the virus he can barely speak to contact tracers.

What we don’t know for sure is what happened in the week-and-a-half or so prior to that.

CHO Jeannette Young says it’s believed the man had been infectious since October 9, when he was in Melbourne, but returned to Queensland two days later.

It is not clear why the man was not in hotel quarantine after returning to Queensland.

Authorities were working with Uber to see if the man had driven any customers while infectious, and the man had not used the Check In Queensland app since September 18.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:33:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1806364
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Victoria recorded over 2000 cases and 12 deaths but the lockdown will end at midnight tonight.
Tomorrow will be freedom day.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:35:57
From: Boris
ID: 1806365
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

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Date: 21/10/2021 12:44:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806372
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

One new community COVID case in Queensland.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says the case is on the Gold Coast. The man was not vaccinated and was “potentially infectious in the community for up to 10 days”.

Investigations are still ongoing, but the early indication is that the man may have travelled from interstate.

———————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/covid-19-australia-live-updates-thursday-october-21/100555180

The positive case in Queensland hadn’t used his check-in app since last month

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young says the man, aged in his 30s, was in Melbourne earlier this month and is “so sick that we are having difficulties talking to him and getting information from him”.

She’s urged everyone and anyone on the Gold Coast who has any symptoms at all to get tested ASAP.

The man works as an Uber driver, and first developed symptoms 10 days ago, on October 11.

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Good grief! This does not bode well.

:(

One can only hope that he was so ill that he stayed hoome.

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Date: 21/10/2021 13:26:27
From: Tamb
ID: 1806387
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


Victoria recorded over 2000 cases and 12 deaths but the lockdown will end at midnight tonight.
Tomorrow will be freedom day.

Yes Mr Bond. You are free to die.

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Date: 21/10/2021 13:48:34
From: transition
ID: 1806409
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

>Nah, as transition says, the fuckers in the media don’t do correct justification, they do narrative and sycophandemic panderemic clickbait.

well, what I would say, state unreservedly as fact, is the inconvenience of circulating covid is being shifted into the informal dimension of peoples lives, where it is and will be harder to measure, become largely immeasurable, uncountable, and the contraction of peoples social interaction will be substantial

vaccines won’t fix that suppressive effect, and contraction, in fact broad vaccination uptake + wild covid is much worse than elimination, certainly for many people

but the theme is get those fucken planes in the air, the global village rules, fuck the parochial locals

makes the chinese seem friendlier, is my opinion

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:06:24
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806433
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Singapore is at 82% total population fully vaxxed, yet have a massive number of infections.

However:

Over the last 28 days, 98.7% of local infected cases had mild or no symptoms, 1.0% required oxygen supplementation, and 0.1% had been in the ICU.

https://twitter.com/sporeMOH/status/1450848191755161603

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:11:31
From: Tamb
ID: 1806434
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:

Singapore is at 82% total population fully vaxxed, yet have a massive number of infections.

However:

Over the last 28 days, 98.7% of local infected cases had mild or no symptoms, 1.0% required oxygen supplementation, and 0.1% had been in the ICU.

https://twitter.com/sporeMOH/status/1450848191755161603


Today’s Qld figures:

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:16:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806435
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

Singapore is at 82% total population fully vaxxed, yet have a massive number of infections.

However:

Over the last 28 days, 98.7% of local infected cases had mild or no symptoms, 1.0% required oxygen supplementation, and 0.1% had been in the ICU.

https://twitter.com/sporeMOH/status/1450848191755161603


Today’s Qld figures:

so in summary the evidence continues to look like vaccines reduce death by factor 10 but it’s still 100 times worse than ‘flu’ despite that

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:21:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806438
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:

transition said:

>Nah, as transition says, the fuckers in the media don’t do correct justification, they do narrative and sycophandemic panderemic clickbait.

well, what I would say, state unreservedly as fact, is the inconvenience of circulating covid is being shifted into the informal dimension of peoples lives, where it is and will be harder to measure, become largely immeasurable, uncountable, and the contraction of peoples social interaction will be substantial

vaccines won’t fix that suppressive effect, and contraction, in fact broad vaccination uptake + wild covid is much worse than elimination, certainly for many people

but the theme is get those fucken planes in the air, the global village rules, fuck the parochial locals

makes the chinese seem friendlier, is my opinion


But communists don’t value human life, they only value units of human labour, Australia is a country of human rights, and we celebrate freedom for airline companies to run business as usual, too bad if a few citizens die for The Economy Must Grow ¡

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:28:24
From: Cymek
ID: 1806440
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Boris said:

transition said:

>Nah, as transition says, the fuckers in the media don’t do correct justification, they do narrative and sycophandemic panderemic clickbait.

well, what I would say, state unreservedly as fact, is the inconvenience of circulating covid is being shifted into the informal dimension of peoples lives, where it is and will be harder to measure, become largely immeasurable, uncountable, and the contraction of peoples social interaction will be substantial

vaccines won’t fix that suppressive effect, and contraction, in fact broad vaccination uptake + wild covid is much worse than elimination, certainly for many people

but the theme is get those fucken planes in the air, the global village rules, fuck the parochial locals

makes the chinese seem friendlier, is my opinion


But communists don’t value human life, they only value units of human labour, Australia is a country of human rights, and we celebrate freedom for airline companies to run business as usual, too bad if a few citizens die for The Economy Must Grow ¡

Human as a species don’t value life and a significant number of people don’t either.
Human life seems to be as disposable as any other animal or plant

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:33:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806442
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:


But communists don’t value human life, they only value units of human labour, Australia is a country of human rights, and we celebrate freedom for airline companies to run business as usual, too bad if a few citizens die for The Economy Must Grow ¡

Human as a species don’t value life and a significant number of people don’t either.
Human life seems to be as disposable as any other animal or plant

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:43:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806445
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

But communists don’t value human life, they only value units of human labour, Australia is a country of human rights, and we celebrate freedom for airline companies to run business as usual, too bad if a few citizens die for The Economy Must Grow ¡

Human as a species don’t value life and a significant number of people don’t either.
Human life seems to be as disposable as any other animal or plant


Cows don’t vote. But then neither do the Chinese i suppose. Carry on.

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:44:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806446
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

imagine if getting vaccines to everyone was not just a matter of willingness but of logistics

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:48:03
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806447
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


imagine if getting vaccines to everyone was not just a matter of willingness but of logistics


Apparently distrust of the vaccines is rampant in PNG. Thankfully i’ll Pacific neighbours are following the science in the main.

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:48:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806448
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Human as a species don’t value life and a significant number of people don’t either.
Human life seems to be as disposable as any other animal or plant


Cows don’t vote. But then neither do the Chinese i suppose. Carry on.

so what we’re saying is that CHINA not only have better human rights than countries that vote to erode those rights, but they have better animal welfare than us and those others as well

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:49:21
From: Cymek
ID: 1806449
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


imagine if getting vaccines to everyone was not just a matter of willingness but of logistics


I got in quickly as at the end of the day they accepted anyone walking in so the vaccines weren’t just binned

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:50:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806450
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:


Cows don’t vote. But then neither do the Chinese i suppose. Carry on.

so what we’re saying is that CHINA not only have better human rights than countries that vote to erode those rights, but they have better animal welfare than us and those others as well

https://www.dw.com/en/brazil-senate-calls-for-bolsonaro-to-be-charged-over-covid-response/a-59565214

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:53:12
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806451
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

imagine if getting vaccines to everyone was not just a matter of willingness but of logistics


Apparently distrust of the vaccines is rampant in PNG. Thankfully i’ll Pacific neighbours are following the science in the main.

I’ll=our

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:55:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1806452
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Witty Rejoinder said:


SCIENCE said:

imagine if getting vaccines to everyone was not just a matter of willingness but of logistics


Apparently distrust of the vaccines is rampant in PNG. Thankfully i’ll Pacific neighbours are following the science in the main.

You know lets say the vaccines (how I don’t know) caused random sterilisation amongst the world population would it actually be a bad thing

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:56:20
From: Cymek
ID: 1806453
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:


Cows don’t vote. But then neither do the Chinese i suppose. Carry on.

so what we’re saying is that CHINA not only have better human rights than countries that vote to erode those rights, but they have better animal welfare than us and those others as well

I’m not they are amongst nations that enacted mass genocide against its own population

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Date: 21/10/2021 15:58:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806454
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cows don’t vote. But then neither do the Chinese i suppose. Carry on.

so what we’re saying is that CHINA not only have better human rights than countries that vote to erode those rights, but they have better animal welfare than us and those others as well

I’m not they are amongst nations that enacted mass genocide against its own population

You need to be sent to a reNeducation centre.

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Date: 21/10/2021 16:03:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806455
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

alarmist
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/covid-warnings-government-uk-same-mistakes-again-1259041

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Date: 21/10/2021 16:06:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806457
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

so what we’re saying is that CHINA not only have better human rights than countries that vote to erode those rights, but they have better animal welfare than us and those others as well

I’m not they are amongst nations that enacted mass genocide against its own population

You know lets say the vaccines (how I don’t know) caused random sterilisation amongst the world population would it actually be a bad thing

um

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Date: 21/10/2021 16:09:08
From: Cymek
ID: 1806459
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

Cymek said:

I’m not they are amongst nations that enacted mass genocide against its own population

You know lets say the vaccines (how I don’t know) caused random sterilisation amongst the world population would it actually be a bad thing

um

It is said we need to reduce world population and slow down growth.
If it was true its a done deal

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Date: 21/10/2021 16:14:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806463
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

You know lets say the vaccines (how I don’t know) caused random sterilisation amongst the world population would it actually be a bad thing

um

It is said we need to reduce world population and slow down growth.
If it was true its a done deal

so we should thank populous countries that have strictly and audaciously limited family sizes

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Date: 21/10/2021 16:21:19
From: Cymek
ID: 1806466
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

um

It is said we need to reduce world population and slow down growth.
If it was true its a done deal

so we should thank populous countries that have strictly and audaciously limited family sizes

How about turning us into alien human hybrids instead

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Date: 21/10/2021 16:30:25
From: Boris
ID: 1806470
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/263-days-later/

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Date: 21/10/2021 17:01:51
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1806475
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

So I needed to get a replacement for one of my staff who needs a morning off in a few weeks. Rang one of my backup people. She can’t because she isn’t vaccinated… At all. This person was on my vehicle at the beginning of the year. I remember watching her absolute grief as she watched via zoom her cousin get buried back in Lebanon after dieing of Covid.

I just can’t understand the world anymore.

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Date: 21/10/2021 17:17:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1806486
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:


So I needed to get a replacement for one of my staff who needs a morning off in a few weeks. Rang one of my backup people. She can’t because she isn’t vaccinated… At all. This person was on my vehicle at the beginning of the year. I remember watching her absolute grief as she watched via zoom her cousin get buried back in Lebanon after dieing of Covid.

I just can’t understand the world anymore.

Me neither.

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Date: 21/10/2021 18:47:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1806507
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:


So I needed to get a replacement for one of my staff who needs a morning off in a few weeks. Rang one of my backup people. She can’t because she isn’t vaccinated… At all. This person was on my vehicle at the beginning of the year. I remember watching her absolute grief as she watched via zoom her cousin get buried back in Lebanon after dieing of Covid.

I just can’t understand the world anymore.

Well, that’s just plain weird, Trev.

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:07:58
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1806516
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So I needed to get a replacement for one of my staff who needs a morning off in a few weeks. Rang one of my backup people. She can’t because she isn’t vaccinated… At all. This person was on my vehicle at the beginning of the year. I remember watching her absolute grief as she watched via zoom her cousin get buried back in Lebanon after dieing of Covid.

I just can’t understand the world anymore.

Well, that’s just plain weird, Trev.

its depressing is what it is

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:17:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1806519
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:


Michael V said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

So I needed to get a replacement for one of my staff who needs a morning off in a few weeks. Rang one of my backup people. She can’t because she isn’t vaccinated… At all. This person was on my vehicle at the beginning of the year. I remember watching her absolute grief as she watched via zoom her cousin get buried back in Lebanon after dieing of Covid.

I just can’t understand the world anymore.

Well, that’s just plain weird, Trev.

its depressing is what it is

Did she explain why?

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:35:56
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1806526
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Michael V said:

Well, that’s just plain weird, Trev.

its depressing is what it is

Did she explain why?

Nope I’m not allowed to ask I just have to say ok and move on and that’s fair enough none of my business fair call, and to be honest i didn’t want to even ask I’m just drained by the whole Covid situation right now. I’ve had to continue to go to work into one of the hottest of hotspots in Sydney all year, every day. There have been two of us there, the cleaner, who I must say is an absolute legend and me. Other staff have been in but they were rotating to minimise their exposure….. maybe saw the same person once every two to three weeks.

At my school all the teaching and auxiliary staff finally had to come back on site today. by the 5th person complaining to me that they were unhappy about coming back I went all Oprah in my head and was like well you can get fucked and you can get fucked …..you can all go and get royally fucked.

Much anger and disappointment in a few people right now.

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:39:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1806530
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:


Michael V said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

its depressing is what it is

Did she explain why?

Nope I’m not allowed to ask I just have to say ok and move on and that’s fair enough none of my business fair call, and to be honest i didn’t want to even ask I’m just drained by the whole Covid situation right now. I’ve had to continue to go to work into one of the hottest of hotspots in Sydney all year, every day. There have been two of us there, the cleaner, who I must say is an absolute legend and me. Other staff have been in but they were rotating to minimise their exposure….. maybe saw the same person once every two to three weeks.

At my school all the teaching and auxiliary staff finally had to come back on site today. by the 5th person complaining to me that they were unhappy about coming back I went all Oprah in my head and was like well you can get fucked and you can get fucked …..you can all go and get royally fucked.

Much anger and disappointment in a few people right now.

Bugger.

Have a beer or fifty…

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:41:49
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1806533
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Michael V said:

Did she explain why?

Nope I’m not allowed to ask I just have to say ok and move on and that’s fair enough none of my business fair call, and to be honest i didn’t want to even ask I’m just drained by the whole Covid situation right now. I’ve had to continue to go to work into one of the hottest of hotspots in Sydney all year, every day. There have been two of us there, the cleaner, who I must say is an absolute legend and me. Other staff have been in but they were rotating to minimise their exposure….. maybe saw the same person once every two to three weeks.

At my school all the teaching and auxiliary staff finally had to come back on site today. by the 5th person complaining to me that they were unhappy about coming back I went all Oprah in my head and was like well you can get fucked and you can get fucked …..you can all go and get royally fucked.

Much anger and disappointment in a few people right now.

Bugger.

Have a beer or fifty…

had 4 or 5 and am going to bed. Tomorrow will be better in sure!

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:47:29
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1806536
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:


Michael V said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

its depressing is what it is

Did she explain why?

Nope I’m not allowed to ask I just have to say ok and move on and that’s fair enough none of my business fair call, and to be honest i didn’t want to even ask I’m just drained by the whole Covid situation right now. I’ve had to continue to go to work into one of the hottest of hotspots in Sydney all year, every day. There have been two of us there, the cleaner, who I must say is an absolute legend and me. Other staff have been in but they were rotating to minimise their exposure….. maybe saw the same person once every two to three weeks.

At my school all the teaching and auxiliary staff finally had to come back on site today. by the 5th person complaining to me that they were unhappy about coming back I went all Oprah in my head and was like well you can get fucked and you can get fucked …..you can all go and get royally fucked.

Much anger and disappointment in a few people right now.

Right there with you mate.
When I have to head out to the shops, I notice that a fair few people aren’t using the check-in app. And in larger shops like Coles & Woolies, despite having a number of signs on the entry stating that one of the rules of entry is that you have to be wearing a mask, a good 15% – 20% aren’t, and the staff aren’t doing a thing about it.
Fair enough the COVID numbers are really low here but I’d very much like to keep it that way.

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Date: 21/10/2021 19:49:28
From: Michael V
ID: 1806538
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Michael V said:

Did she explain why?

Nope I’m not allowed to ask I just have to say ok and move on and that’s fair enough none of my business fair call, and to be honest i didn’t want to even ask I’m just drained by the whole Covid situation right now. I’ve had to continue to go to work into one of the hottest of hotspots in Sydney all year, every day. There have been two of us there, the cleaner, who I must say is an absolute legend and me. Other staff have been in but they were rotating to minimise their exposure….. maybe saw the same person once every two to three weeks.

At my school all the teaching and auxiliary staff finally had to come back on site today. by the 5th person complaining to me that they were unhappy about coming back I went all Oprah in my head and was like well you can get fucked and you can get fucked …..you can all go and get royally fucked.

Much anger and disappointment in a few people right now.

Right there with you mate.
When I have to head out to the shops, I notice that a fair few people aren’t using the check-in app. And in larger shops like Coles & Woolies, despite having a number of signs on the entry stating that one of the rules of entry is that you have to be wearing a mask, a good 15% – 20% aren’t, and the staff aren’t doing a thing about it.
Fair enough the COVID numbers are really low here but I’d very much like to keep it that way.

Might not be low really soon, given today’s events.

:(

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Date: 22/10/2021 06:46:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806617
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Spiny Norman said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Nope I’m not allowed to ask I just have to say ok and move on and that’s fair enough none of my business fair call, and to be honest i didn’t want to even ask I’m just drained by the whole Covid situation right now. I’ve had to continue to go to work into one of the hottest of hotspots in Sydney all year, every day. There have been two of us there, the cleaner, who I must say is an absolute legend and me. Other staff have been in but they were rotating to minimise their exposure….. maybe saw the same person once every two to three weeks.

At my school all the teaching and auxiliary staff finally had to come back on site today. by the 5th person complaining to me that they were unhappy about coming back I went all Oprah in my head and was like well you can get fucked and you can get fucked …..you can all go and get royally fucked.

Much anger and disappointment in a few people right now.

Right there with you mate.
When I have to head out to the shops, I notice that a fair few people aren’t using the check-in app. And in larger shops like Coles & Woolies, despite having a number of signs on the entry stating that one of the rules of entry is that you have to be wearing a mask, a good 15% – 20% aren’t, and the staff aren’t doing a thing about it.
Fair enough the COVID numbers are really low here but I’d very much like to keep it that way.

Might not be low really soon, given today’s events.

:(

Also aren’t testing rates like 1/6 of those further south ¿

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:00:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806620
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/less-than-half-of-the-country-s-available-moderna-supply-has-been-used-20211021-p591yt.html

racing against the expiry date

claims boosters soon

Laugh Out Loud

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:03:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806623
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/less-than-half-of-the-country-s-available-moderna-supply-has-been-used-20211021-p591yt.html

racing against the expiry date

claims boosters soon

Laugh Out Loud

Can you imagine when this race is won?
Turn our golden the faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we’re getting in tune
The music’s played by the, the madman

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:04:54
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1806625
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


SCIENCE said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/less-than-half-of-the-country-s-available-moderna-supply-has-been-used-20211021-p591yt.html

racing against the expiry date

claims boosters soon

Laugh Out Loud

Can you imagine when this race is won?
Turn our golden the faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we’re getting in tune
The music’s played by the, the madman

How I learned to love and stopped worrying about endemic COVID

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:08:01
From: buffy
ID: 1806627
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/less-than-half-of-the-country-s-available-moderna-supply-has-been-used-20211021-p591yt.html

racing against the expiry date

claims boosters soon

Laugh Out Loud

Can you imagine when this race is won?
Turn our golden the faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we’re getting in tune
The music’s played by the, the madman

How I learned to love and stopped worrying about endemic COVID

All things shall pass.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:09:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1806630
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


SCIENCE said:

How I learned to love and stopped worrying about endemic COVID

It took a while, and it was a nasty scare at the start, but a lot of info is in now and the models have been refined.

Politicians now know roughly the rate at which people will die, and what social,economic, and voting strata are most likely to be affected.

They’re reassured that not too many of the ‘right sort’ of people will be too badly affected, and the losses in other groups will not upset the status quo too much.

So, the rules can be relaxed, and business can get back to normal.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:10:50
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1806631
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

How I learned to love and stopped worrying about endemic COVID

It took a while, and it was a nasty scare at the start, but a lot of info is in now and the models have been refined.

Politicians now know roughly the rate at which people will die, and what social,economic, and voting strata are most likely to be affected.

They’re reassured that not too many of the ‘right sort’ of people will be too badly affected, and the losses in other groups will not upset the status quo too much.

So, the rules can be relaxed, and business can get back to normal.

Don’t misquote me so early in the morning.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:13:10
From: buffy
ID: 1806633
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


captain_spalding said:

poikilotherm said:

It took a while, and it was a nasty scare at the start, but a lot of info is in now and the models have been refined.

Politicians now know roughly the rate at which people will die, and what social,economic, and voting strata are most likely to be affected.

They’re reassured that not too many of the ‘right sort’ of people will be too badly affected, and the losses in other groups will not upset the status quo too much.

So, the rules can be relaxed, and business can get back to normal.

Don’t misquote me so early in the morning.

It looks like my quote was also wrong. Apparently it is “This too shall pass”. It’s obviously too long since I read any of the Bible.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:14:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1806634
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Right there with you mate.
When I have to head out to the shops, I notice that a fair few people aren’t using the check-in app. And in larger shops like Coles & Woolies, despite having a number of signs on the entry stating that one of the rules of entry is that you have to be wearing a mask, a good 15% – 20% aren’t, and the staff aren’t doing a thing about it.
Fair enough the COVID numbers are really low here but I’d very much like to keep it that way.

Might not be low really soon, given today’s events.

:(

Also aren’t testing rates like 1/6 of those further south ¿

They are low. Way too low, really. But you know how a lot of people think: no COVID, no need to test.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:15:37
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1806636
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Might not be low really soon, given today’s events.

:(

Also aren’t testing rates like 1/6 of those further south ¿

They are low. Way too low, really. But you know how a lot of people think: no COVID, no need to test.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:16:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806637
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Also aren’t testing rates like 1/6 of those further south ¿

They are low. Way too low, really. But you know how a lot of people think: no COVID, no need to test.


But you can still die of a cold.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:20:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806639
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Hypocritic F’n‘Oath

Victoria AMA says Covid-deniers and anti-vaxxers should opt out of public health system and ‘let nature run its course’

Hospital system is already under pressure and will get worse as restrictions lift, state AMA president says

“Covid-deniers” and “anti-vaxxers” should opt out of care in the public health system if they catch the virus as Victoria reopens, says the Victorian branch of the Australian Medical Association.

The AMA Victoria president, Dr Roderick McRae, said those who do not believe Covid-19 is real or a threat should update their advanced care directives and inform their relatives that they do not wish to receive care in the public health system if diagnosed with the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/21/victoria-ama-says-covid-deniers-and-anti-vaxxers-should-opt-out-of-public-health-system-and-let-nature-take-its-course

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:21:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1806640
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Also aren’t testing rates like 1/6 of those further south ¿

They are low. Way too low, really. But you know how a lot of people think: no COVID, no need to test.


Yes, well, that was the Trumpian way of thinking.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:21:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806641
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

They are low. Way too low, really. But you know how a lot of people think: no COVID, no need to test.


But you can still die of a cold.

Remember how we suggested mass random asymptomatic testing for the willing (possibly also incentivised by financial reward similar to how research sometimes does)¿

Still in our suggested measures box.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:23:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806642
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


poikilotherm said:

Michael V said:

They are low. Way too low, really. But you know how a lot of people think: no COVID, no need to test.


Yes, well, that was the Trumpian way of thinking.

We hear Greater d’United Wales and New South Wales specifically don’t test for re-infection … make of that what y’al’l.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:27:48
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1806644
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:


Yes, well, that was the Trumpian way of thinking.

We hear Greater d’United Wales and New South Wales specifically don’t test for re-infection … make of that what y’al’l.

Sounds like a load of shit

“ If it has been more than three months since you recovered from COVID-19 you should get tested for COVID-19 if you have symptoms because your immunity may have decreased. Unfortunately, people can become unwell with COVID-19 more than once.

Routine COVID-19 testing when you do not have symptoms (such as workplace surveillance testing) is not recommended for six months after you have recovered. This is because tests for COVID-19 may continue to give a positive result for a while after infection, even though you are no longer infectious. “

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:31:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806645
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“We are clearly in a fourth wave,” said the Belgian health minister, Frank Vandenbroucke. “We will see a major increase in infections and, unfortunately, hospital admissions.” Testing will be free for people using a government website to check their symptoms.

In the Netherlands, new daily cases have more than doubled over the past two weeks. In Germany, which had maintained a rate of about 100 new cases per million since mid-September, daily infections have leapt by about 40% in a week.

France – where MPs voted on Wednesday night to allow use of the country’s vaccine passport until next summer if necessary – and Spain have both recorded 17% increases in new daily cases over the past seven days, and Italy a rise of nearly 6%.

Some experts, however, have suggested that the UK may also be feeling the effects of its fast early vaccine rollout, since a larger proportion of adults than in western Europe have now reached the point, five or six months on, where vaccine effectiveness starts to fade.

in honesty that last idea smells to us like some kind of stealth antivaccination mindvirus

convince people that “getting vaccinated early means you are more susceptible later” which plays straight into the story that “vaccines are useless”

and unfortunately in some ways there is truth in that if there are bullshit barriers to 3rd dosing

see also https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1806357/ for same

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:33:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806646
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

poikilotherm said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Yes, well, that was the Trumpian way of thinking.

We hear Greater d’United Wales and New South Wales specifically don’t test for re-infection … make of that what y’al’l.

Sounds like a load of shit

“ If it has been more than three months since you recovered from COVID-19 you should get tested for COVID-19 if you have symptoms because your immunity may have decreased. Unfortunately, people can become unwell with COVID-19 more than once.

Routine COVID-19 testing when you do not have symptoms (such as workplace surveillance testing) is not recommended for six months after you have recovered. This is because tests for COVID-19 may continue to give a positive result for a while after infection, even though you are no longer infectious. “

OK didn’t expect confirmation from the hoarse’s oropharynx so clearly. So they specifically exclude possibility of asymptomatic reinfection less than 3 months from recovery, thanks.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:38:23
From: buffy
ID: 1806648
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/qld-coronavirus-covid-driver-quarantine-positive-case/100555140

This bloke must have gone downhill very fast. There is a contact site that is a cinema and it’s from only 4 days ago. And the barber’s shop is also from the 18th. And he only went to hospital on the 20th.

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:45:07
From: Michael V
ID: 1806651
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/qld-coronavirus-covid-driver-quarantine-positive-case/100555140

This bloke must have gone downhill very fast. There is a contact site that is a cinema and it’s from only 4 days ago. And the barber’s shop is also from the 18th. And he only went to hospital on the 20th.

Isn’t that one of the reasons so may died at home in Sydney? Going downhill fast?

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Date: 22/10/2021 07:46:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806653
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/qld-coronavirus-covid-driver-quarantine-positive-case/100555140

This bloke must have gone downhill very fast. There is a contact site that is a cinema and it’s from only 4 days ago. And the barber’s shop is also from the 18th. And he only went to hospital on the 20th.

Isn’t that one of the reasons so may died at home in Sydney? Going downhill fast?

Pretty much. Though I am sure it wasn’t all that pretty.

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:12:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1806669
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/covid-19-live-updates-melbourne-victoria-out-of-lockdown/100558674

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:17:51
From: Speedy
ID: 1806672
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

Watch this space.

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:28:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1806675
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Speedy said:


Michael V said:

NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

Watch this space.

I am.

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:30:19
From: sibeen
ID: 1806676
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


poikilotherm said:

captain_spalding said:

Don’t misquote me so early in the morning.

It looks like my quote was also wrong. Apparently it is “This too shall pass”. It’s obviously too long since I read any of the Bible.

It’s “All things must pass”. George Harrison’s third album.

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:31:04
From: Michael V
ID: 1806677
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/covid-19-live-updates-melbourne-victoria-out-of-lockdown/100558674

VIC: 2,189 new local cases, 16 deaths

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:35:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806679
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/covid-19-live-updates-melbourne-victoria-out-of-lockdown/100558674

VIC: 2,189 new local cases, 16 deaths

So is this Victoria opening up thing really a good idea right now?

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Date: 22/10/2021 09:40:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1806682
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/covid-19-live-updates-melbourne-victoria-out-of-lockdown/100558674

VIC: 2,189 new local cases, 16 deaths

So is this Victoria opening up thing really a good idea right now?

I’ll assess properly when the experiment is completed. Right now is just the start of the experiment. No inferences can be drawn. However, in a week or two, we could have a good idea how things are panning out.

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:01:09
From: sibeen
ID: 1806688
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 345 new local COVID-19 cases and five deaths

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-22/covid-19-live-updates-melbourne-victoria-out-of-lockdown/100558674

VIC: 2,189 new local cases, 16 deaths

So is this Victoria opening up thing really a good idea right now?

If the hospitals fill up and are overloaded then it’s a bad idea. If they don’t then it was a good idea. Time will tell.

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:18:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806696
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 2,189 new local cases, 16 deaths

So is this Victoria opening up thing really a good idea right now?

I’ll assess properly when the experiment is completed. Right now is just the start of the experiment. No inferences can be drawn. However, in a week or two, we could have a good idea how things are panning out.

If the hospitals fill up and are overloaded then it’s a bad idea. If they don’t then it was a good idea. Time will tell.

Given it wasn’t really working anyway, why not vaccinate faster and actually wear N95+ masks…

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:29:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806708
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I’ll assess properly when the experiment is completed. Right now is just the start of the experiment. No inferences can be drawn. However, in a week or two, we could have a good idea how things are panning out.

If the hospitals fill up and are overloaded then it’s a bad idea. If they don’t then it was a good idea. Time will tell.

Given it wasn’t really working anyway, why not vaccinate faster and actually wear N95+ masks…

I must say the different reaction to NSW removing restrictions and Victoria removing restrictions is a little odd.

It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:29:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806709
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Laugh Out Loud

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:30:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806710
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I must say the different reaction to NSW removing restrictions and Victoria removing restrictions is a little odd.

It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.

What different reaction, Gutless resigned but Chairman didn’t.

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:31:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806711
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I must say the different reaction to NSW removing restrictions and Victoria removing restrictions is a little odd.

It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.

What different reaction, Gutless resigned but Chairman didn’t.

WTF does that have to do with it?

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:33:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806716
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I must say the different reaction to NSW removing restrictions and Victoria removing restrictions is a little odd.

It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.

What different reaction, Gutless resigned but Chairman didn’t.

WTF does that have to do with it?

isn’t that a different political reaction

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:33:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806717
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

If the hospitals fill up and are overloaded then it’s a bad idea. If they don’t then it was a good idea. Time will tell.

Given it wasn’t really working anyway, why not vaccinate faster and actually wear N95+ masks…

I must say the different reaction to NSW removing restrictions and Victoria removing restrictions is a little odd.

It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.

They are. An old neighbour said we have a good leader in Scotty.

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:34:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806720
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What different reaction, Gutless resigned but Chairman didn’t.

WTF does that have to do with it?

isn’t that a different political reaction

Isn’t what a different political reaction?

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:53:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806725
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

WTF does that have to do with it?

isn’t that a different political reaction

Isn’t what a different political reaction?

resignation of political figureheads

like, you suggest there’s a politically different response, so we now request evidence

especially if the one evidence we cite is considered sorry didn’t hear you

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Date: 22/10/2021 10:59:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806727
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

isn’t that a different political reaction

Isn’t what a different political reaction?

resignation of political figureheads

like, you suggest there’s a politically different response, so we now request evidence

especially if the one evidence we cite is considered sorry didn’t hear you

Well what I said was:
“It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.”
where “people” refers to the people who populate this forum, rather than the people who populate the government buildings of Sydney and Melbourne, and “these things” refers to government actions on dealing with the Covid problem.

So I don’t see what the resignation of the NSW premier has to do with it.

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:05:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806732
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Isn’t what a different political reaction?

resignation of political figureheads

like, you suggest there’s a politically different response, so we now request evidence

especially if the one evidence we cite is considered sorry didn’t hear you

Well what I said was:
“It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.”
where “people” refers to the people who populate this forum, rather than the people who populate the government buildings of Sydney and Melbourne, and “these things” refers to government actions on dealing with the Covid problem.

So I don’t see what the resignation of the NSW premier has to do with it.

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:14:42
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1806736
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

FDA approves mixing different COVID-19 vaccine boosters

In a long-awaited decision the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved “mix and match” COVID-19 vaccine boosters, meaning your third dose does not need to be the same vaccine brand as your primary course. Alongside this announcement the FDA also recommended booster shots for all Americans who initially received the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

more…

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:18:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806737
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

resignation of political figureheads

like, you suggest there’s a politically different response, so we now request evidence

especially if the one evidence we cite is considered sorry didn’t hear you

Well what I said was:
“It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.”
where “people” refers to the people who populate this forum, rather than the people who populate the government buildings of Sydney and Melbourne, and “these things” refers to government actions on dealing with the Covid problem.

So I don’t see what the resignation of the NSW premier has to do with it.

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:25:37
From: Michael V
ID: 1806739
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well what I said was:
“It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.”
where “people” refers to the people who populate this forum, rather than the people who populate the government buildings of Sydney and Melbourne, and “these things” refers to government actions on dealing with the Covid problem.

So I don’t see what the resignation of the NSW premier has to do with it.

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

I didn’t say “let’s wait and see how it goes”.

I said that I couldn’t make any inferences yet.

Mind you, I have no choice but “wait and see how it goes”. The experiment is being run by others.

Personally, I’d prefer a step-wise, change one parameter at a time approach. By changing a lot of stuff at once, it may well be very difficult to impossible to decipher which actions work and which don’t.

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:26:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806740
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well what I said was:
“It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.”
where “people” refers to the people who populate this forum, rather than the people who populate the government buildings of Sydney and Melbourne, and “these things” refers to government actions on dealing with the Covid problem.

So I don’t see what the resignation of the NSW premier has to do with it.

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

No idea eh ¿

So was relaxing NSW a terrible idea and if not then was it before relaxing VIC and with enough time to learn that ideas may not be terrible ¿

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:28:46
From: sibeen
ID: 1806742
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well what I said was:
“It’s almost as if people are letting party politics affect their opinion on these things.”
where “people” refers to the people who populate this forum, rather than the people who populate the government buildings of Sydney and Melbourne, and “these things” refers to government actions on dealing with the Covid problem.

So I don’t see what the resignation of the NSW premier has to do with it.

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

I don’t think I ever commented about NSW coming out of lockdown. I was scathing about their tardiness about going into lock dowm.

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:28:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806743
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

I didn’t say “let’s wait and see how it goes”.

I said that I couldn’t make any inferences yet.

Mind you, I have no choice but “wait and see how it goes”. The experiment is being run by others.

Personally, I’d prefer a step-wise, change one parameter at a time approach. By changing a lot of stuff at once, it may well be very difficult to impossible to decipher which actions work and which don’t.

Don’t worry anyone watching would have recognised that in Old North Wales relaxing seemed to make fuck all difference but forcing students back to schools without other measures is looking disastrous.

seemed

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:30:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806744
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

No idea eh ¿

Yes, no idea.

SCIENCE said:


So was relaxing NSW a terrible idea and if not then was it before relaxing VIC and with enough time to learn that ideas may not be terrible ¿

I don’t know. That’s why I didn’t comment on it.

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:38:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806745
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sibeen said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe they feel sorry for poor little Gutless who through no fault of her own let someone else destroy her legacy and found it irretrievable

and can’t really blame Perrottet for a Gutless plan

otherwise evidence please

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

I don’t think I ever commented about NSW coming out of lockdown. I was scathing about their tardiness about going into lock dowm.

^

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:50:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1806747
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Duran Raman, who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast, after a trip to Melbourne.(Instagram)

Named after half a pop group and a noodle. Couldn’t really expect better from him, i suppose,

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Date: 22/10/2021 11:51:35
From: Michael V
ID: 1806748
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

QLD: Zero new local cases, zero deaths.

6,330 tests: insufficient IHMO.

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:06:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1806752
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I still have no idea what you are on about.

Are you seriously asking for evidence that when NSW announced relaxation of restrictions the general comment here was “terrible idea”, but when Victoria did the same the general comment was “let’s wait and see how it goes”?

If so, feel free to review this thread, and previous ones with a similar name.

I don’t think I ever commented about NSW coming out of lockdown. I was scathing about their tardiness about going into lock dowm.

^

Oh well. Must have imagined it I suppose.

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:45:51
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806766
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Duran Raman, who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast, after a trip to Melbourne.(Instagram)

Named after half a pop group and a noodle. Couldn’t really expect better from him, i suppose,

That’s a bit culturally insensitive. His name probably means ‘useless prick’ in Turkish or somethin’.

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:51:13
From: Cymek
ID: 1806769
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

Duran Raman, who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast, after a trip to Melbourne.(Instagram)

Named after half a pop group and a noodle. Couldn’t really expect better from him, i suppose,

That’s a bit culturally insensitive. His name probably means ‘useless prick’ in Turkish or somethin’.

You could try to get a meme started with the name Pop Noodle

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:52:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806770
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Laugh Out Loud


So, no need to pay ambulance coverage. If I am going to die without an ambulance. Probably better to save the bill going to my children.

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:53:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1806772
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Duran Raman, who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast, after a trip to Melbourne.(Instagram)

Named after half a pop group and a noodle. Couldn’t really expect better from him, i suppose,

That’s a bit culturally insensitive. His name probably means ‘useless prick’ in Turkish or somethin’.

You could try to get a meme started with the name Pop Noodle

K

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:55:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1806780
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud


So, no need to pay ambulance coverage. If I am going to die without an ambulance. Probably better to save the bill going to my children.

Nothing to do with NSW, or indeed, Australia.

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Date: 22/10/2021 12:58:29
From: transition
ID: 1806785
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud


So, no need to pay ambulance coverage. If I am going to die without an ambulance. Probably better to save the bill going to my children.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/uk-under-pressure-to-reimpose-restrictions-as-covid-cases-soar/13598564
just listening to that^

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:01:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806787
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud


So, no need to pay ambulance coverage. If I am going to die without an ambulance. Probably better to save the bill going to my children.

Nothing to do with NSW, or indeed, Australia.

;)

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:02:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806788
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

transition said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud


So, no need to pay ambulance coverage. If I am going to die without an ambulance. Probably better to save the bill going to my children.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/uk-under-pressure-to-reimpose-restrictions-as-covid-cases-soar/13598564
just listening to that^

We are also having ramping problems in Australia.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:08:06
From: transition
ID: 1806802
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


transition said:

roughbarked said:

So, no need to pay ambulance coverage. If I am going to die without an ambulance. Probably better to save the bill going to my children.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/uk-under-pressure-to-reimpose-restrictions-as-covid-cases-soar/13598564
just listening to that^

We are also having ramping problems in Australia.

large part the trouble is in using vaccination to release a virus, to raise background covid levels for the conveniences of relaxed prophylaxis, further releasing a virus because it is too contagious to contain

all sorts of craziness in that, lends to

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:16:59
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806821
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:21:03
From: Cymek
ID: 1806826
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


The Southern States really do seem to be the crazy uncle states of the USA.
So dumb and self contradictory many of the people seem

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:21:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1806827
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Maybe hospital emergency departments should be designed to expand out into other wards when pandemics roll across the country then return to normal when things calm down again?

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:24:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806832
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


The Southern States really do seem to be the crazy uncle states of the USA.
So dumb and self contradictory many of the people seem

It goes roughly around the halfway mark depending upon the issue at hand. 60/40 much of the time. Again, depending upon the issue as to which side is the 60.
You could say that of those who can vote or want to vote, about half of them are probably billy bobs.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:27:41
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1806837
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:28:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806838
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

Only by a loss of the correct part of the gene pool?

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:29:23
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806839
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Maybe hospital emergency departments should be designed to expand out into other wards when pandemics roll across the country then return to normal when things calm down again?

It sounds like that is precisely what is happening.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:30:17
From: Cymek
ID: 1806840
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

I was wonder if the human race is getting stupider, our knowledge and technological ability is increasing but the nonsense people believe seems to also be increasing.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:30:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806841
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

Only by a loss of the correct part of the gene pool?

Though sadly, it is really about what dickheads show their kids and I do mean they make goats of their own children.
Teachers get a small portion of a child’s attention, if that.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:30:47
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806842
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

That’s GT from you-know-where.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:31:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806843
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

I was wonder if the human race is getting stupider, our knowledge and technological ability is increasing but the nonsense people believe seems to also be increasing.

Is it too late to blame Rupert and his followers in the media?

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:35:17
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1806844
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

I was wonder if the human race is getting stupider, our knowledge and technological ability is increasing but the nonsense people believe seems to also be increasing.

I think much the same.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:35:49
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1806845
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


That’s GT from you-know-where.

The ICU worker that you quoted?

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:36:44
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806847
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Dark Orange said:

That’s GT from you-know-where.

The ICU worker that you quoted?

Yes.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:37:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806848
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


Maybe hospital emergency departments should be designed to expand out into other wards when pandemics roll across the country then return to normal when things calm down again?

It sounds like that is precisely what is happening.

hospital emergency departments are ICUs ¿

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:37:47
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1806849
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

That’s GT from you-know-where.

The ICU worker that you quoted?

Yes.

A large tomato chap?

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:38:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806850
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Spiny Norman said:

Cheesus, just how long does it take people to learn?
A callous view of it would be that the average intelligence value will be raised a bit by all this.

Only by a loss of the correct part of the gene pool?

Though sadly, it is really about what dickheads show their kids and I do mean they make goats of their own children.
Teachers get a small portion of a child’s attention, if that.

right, that and when healthcare workers are disproportionately affected and they are professionals and we assume that professionals are on the higher intelligence end, then what

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:39:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806851
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Dark Orange said:

Spiny Norman said:

The ICU worker that you quoted?

Yes.

A large tomato chap?

Keep your code in the other room, unless you want us all in there.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:40:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806853
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Only by a loss of the correct part of the gene pool?

Though sadly, it is really about what dickheads show their kids and I do mean they make goats of their own children.
Teachers get a small portion of a child’s attention, if that.

right, that and when healthcare workers are disproportionately affected and they are professionals and we assume that professionals are on the higher intelligence end, then what

As I said, the gene pool is affected by dickeads that Rupert assuaged on page three.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:41:13
From: Cymek
ID: 1806854
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Only by a loss of the correct part of the gene pool?

Though sadly, it is really about what dickheads show their kids and I do mean they make goats of their own children.
Teachers get a small portion of a child’s attention, if that.

right, that and when healthcare workers are disproportionately affected and they are professionals and we assume that professionals are on the higher intelligence end, then what

Yes smart and intelligent are different.
Most people don’t seem to have logical thought processes (am assuming).

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:50:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806856
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Though sadly, it is really about what dickheads show their kids and I do mean they make goats of their own children.
Teachers get a small portion of a child’s attention, if that.

right, that and when healthcare workers are disproportionately affected and they are professionals and we assume that professionals are on the higher intelligence end, then what

Yes smart and intelligent are different.
Most people don’t seem to have logical thought processes (am assuming).

Still depends upon their parenting, their peers and so on.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:55:43
From: Cymek
ID: 1806859
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

right, that and when healthcare workers are disproportionately affected and they are professionals and we assume that professionals are on the higher intelligence end, then what

Yes smart and intelligent are different.
Most people don’t seem to have logical thought processes (am assuming).

Still depends upon their parenting, their peers and so on.

True

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:57:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806860
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Yes smart and intelligent are different.
Most people don’t seem to have logical thought processes (am assuming).

Still depends upon their parenting, their peers and so on.

True

One wonders, about the parenting and peers of the likes of Christian Porter.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:58:08
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806861
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:


Dark Orange said:

Spiny Norman said:

The ICU worker that you quoted?

Yes.

A large tomato chap?

With all the gold chains and record breaking turds.

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:58:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806862
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

Yes.

A large tomato chap?

With all the gold chains and record breaking turds.

Is this a whois or whatis?

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Date: 22/10/2021 13:59:19
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1806863
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

Yes.

A large tomato chap?

With all the gold chains and record breaking turds.

All class. :D
Thanks for letting me know, I posted it on my Facepalm page and got told that it wasn’t real. And now I know it is.

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:02:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806866
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Spiny Norman said:

Dark Orange said:

Spiny Norman said:

A large tomato chap?

With all the gold chains and record breaking turds.

All class. :D
Thanks for letting me know, I posted it on my Facepalm page and got told that it wasn’t real. And now I know it is.

So Is The Health System Coping Or Not ¿

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:05:05
From: transition
ID: 1806869
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


oh but the damage done by assuming humans all ought be similarly rational, not unusually projected from belief in one’s own superior rationality

have to say it wears me down hearing opening up used with apparently little thought or explanation of what that really means

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:06:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806870
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

transition said:


Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


oh but the damage done by assuming humans all ought be similarly rational, not unusually projected from belief in one’s own superior rationality

have to say it wears me down hearing opening up used with apparently little thought or explanation of what that really means

Back to basics?

OK.
The answer is;
Allow the rabble to think they have won and can now act in kinship with the Taliban.

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:08:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1806871
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

transition said:

have to say it wears me down hearing opening up used with apparently little thought or explanation of what that really means

Surely it means let the privileged 5% travel without the cost of quarantine at the expense of the 95% of locals who would benefit from an island without a preventable disease.

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:09:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806872
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

roughbarked said:


transition said:

Dark Orange said:

Random quote from ICU worker in a southern state:


Fascinating few weeks.

Everywhere is busy; most ICUs have expanded outwards. It’s mostly manageable, and if it isn’t you just deal with it. This is what we are paid to do.

I am yet to place a fully vaccinated person on life support.

I thought I had seen it all but I am exposed to new levels of crazy every day.

Some dude who was teetering on the edge of coming to ICU decided to go home. Explained that he would very likely die should he go home but not having a bar of it. Can’t stop him as he is competent and it’s a hospital, not a jail. Son organised some oxygen for home – never going to be enough. Gets home and amazingly lasts an hour. Calls ambulance. By the time they got there, his oxygen level was so low his heart stopped. Dead.

Demands by relatives to not place loved ones on ventilators because “they kill”.

The usual demands for ivermectin continue.

One relative had obviously read up on google about ECMO (a relatively specialised machine that takes over the function of the heart and lungs – need enormous pipes to pump blood out and then back into the body). Asking if they could buy one and take their relative home on it. It’s hard to not laugh in these circumstances.

Death threats. Threats to hospitals, with at least one instance where family had brought stuff to burn down a hospital. One friend had to do a family meeting under police guard. Lots of security in the carparks now, particularly at night.

Then there are extreme acts of kindness. Some random fruiterer dropped off 3 boxes of mangoes, just because. A Sydney ICU sent us a box of macarons. The local Rotary club sent us tote bags full of crap.

Now that we’re opening up, there will probably be another wave that’ll keep us well and truly busy through December, and hopefully it’ll ease by mid to late January.


oh but the damage done by assuming humans all ought be similarly rational, not unusually projected from belief in one’s own superior rationality

have to say it wears me down hearing opening up used with apparently little thought or explanation of what that really means

Back to basics?

OK.
The answer is;
Allow the rabble to think they have won and can now act in kinship with the Taliban.

or do you?
This is where we stand in many aspects of our near future.

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:10:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1806873
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

have to say it wears me down hearing opening up used with apparently little thought or explanation of what that really means

Surely it means let the privileged 5% travel without the cost of quarantine at the expense of the 95% of locals who would benefit from an island without a preventable disease.

I’m with stupid here. He wants me to stay on the island.

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Date: 22/10/2021 14:16:11
From: transition
ID: 1806878
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

have to say it wears me down hearing opening up used with apparently little thought or explanation of what that really means

Surely it means let the privileged 5% travel without the cost of quarantine at the expense of the 95% of locals who would benefit from an island without a preventable disease.

even if that were true, substantially true, and maybe it is, it’s not so much that, it’s the squeezing out of voices that are saying don’t release covid for wild circulation, basically much of the language people are being offered to explain anything to do with covid has about it a theme to squeeze out those voices, i’d further suggest that practice is endemic from the apparatus

to the extent it’s near an unnatural work of imagination to conjure those voices, which are saying no

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:15:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1806936
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

xkcd neatly highlights the problem with clinical trials.

Step 3 should come after step 4. Because putting step 3 before step 4 kills all those people who could have been helped but denied help because of implementation delays. That’s why clinical trials are mass murder.

For lots of other products, eg. herbal and chinese medicines, step 3 does come after step 4.

https://xkcd.com/2530/

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:35:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806946
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

mollwollfumble said:


xkcd neatly highlights the problem with clinical trials.

Step 3 should come after step 4. Because putting step 3 before step 4 kills all those people who could have been helped but denied help because of implementation delays. That’s why clinical trials are mass murder.

For lots of other products, eg. herbal and chinese medicines, step 3 does come after step 4.

https://xkcd.com/2530/


Weren’t you going to raise this with a relative/friend who’s an expert in this field?

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:41:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1806950
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“All vaccinated interstate and international arrivals can enter Tasmania without a need for quarantine from December 15, as long as they have returned a negative COVID-19 test, the state government has announced.”

They’re all opening up now.
If it wasn’t for the leadership of Gladys lord only knows where we’d be now.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:42:53
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1806951
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


“All vaccinated interstate and international arrivals can enter Tasmania without a need for quarantine from December 15, as long as they have returned a negative COVID-19 test, the state government has announced.”

They’re all opening up now.
If it wasn’t for the leadership of Gladys lord only knows where we’d be now.

well we’d be a few million dollars better off for not have spent money on a gun club

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:44:07
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806952
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


“All vaccinated interstate and international arrivals can enter Tasmania without a need for quarantine from December 15, as long as they have returned a negative COVID-19 test, the state government has announced.”

They’re all opening up now.
If it wasn’t for the leadership of Gladys lord only knows where we’d be now.

Probably with a couple of hundred fewer dead people.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:44:54
From: transition
ID: 1806953
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


“All vaccinated interstate and international arrivals can enter Tasmania without a need for quarantine from December 15, as long as they have returned a negative COVID-19 test, the state government has announced.”

They’re all opening up now.
If it wasn’t for the leadership of Gladys lord only knows where we’d be now.

muted chuckle

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/victorian-deputy-premier-on-lifting-the-lockdown/13598598
i’m listening that^

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:47:04
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1806954
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:47:56
From: Michael V
ID: 1806955
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

mollwollfumble said:


xkcd neatly highlights the problem with clinical trials.

Step 3 should come after step 4. Because putting step 3 before step 4 kills all those people who could have been helped but denied help because of implementation delays. That’s why clinical trials are mass murder.

For lots of other products, eg. herbal and chinese medicines, step 3 does come after step 4.

https://xkcd.com/2530/


Moll: You are talking complete and utter twaddle.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:48:54
From: Cymek
ID: 1806956
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

diddly-squat said:

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

Logan does have a decent immune system

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:52:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1806957
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:


diddly-squat said:

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

Logan does have a decent immune system

I see what you did there.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:54:21
From: Michael V
ID: 1806959
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

Logan does have a decent immune system

I see what you did there.

I didn’t.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:56:25
From: Boris
ID: 1806961
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Logan does have a decent immune system

I see what you did there.

I didn’t.

wolverine superhero heals because of his mutantcy.

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Date: 22/10/2021 15:57:11
From: Boris
ID: 1806963
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I see what you did there.

I didn’t.

wolverine superhero heals because of his mutantcy.

wolverine = logan

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:04:35
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1806964
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Logan does have a decent immune system

I see what you did there.

I didn’t.

lol

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:15:37
From: Michael V
ID: 1806966
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

diddly-squat said:


Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I see what you did there.

I didn’t.

lol

Oh, great. Laugh at me because I didn’t get an in-joke.

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:15:57
From: sibeen
ID: 1806967
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

diddly-squat said:


Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I see what you did there.

I didn’t.

lol

Hey, I was with MV.

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:16:36
From: Boris
ID: 1806968
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sibeen said:


diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

I didn’t.

lol

Hey, I was with MV.

LOL.

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:23:21
From: Cymek
ID: 1806970
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

diddly-squat said:

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

Forcing Logan to do somewhat he doesn’t want to do isn’t a good idea, he’s known to be a bit grumpy

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:29:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1806974
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

diddly-squat said:

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

I still haven’t heard why Logan man wasn’t in quarantine?

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Date: 22/10/2021 16:42:03
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1806981
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


diddly-squat said:

I heard in today’s Qld press conference that less than 50% of people in Logan are fully vaxxed

On one hand I’m surprised; on the other, not so much.

I still haven’t heard why Logan man wasn’t in quarantine?

Lied on his entry documentation, I assume.

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Date: 22/10/2021 21:25:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807124
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.


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Date: 22/10/2021 23:23:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807155
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

some hope for NSW and VIC if they do it right

not necessarily much hope though

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Date: 22/10/2021 23:38:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807156
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:

some hope for NSW and VIC if they do it right

not necessarily much hope though

and with it comes a warning

https://globalnews.ca/news/404562/sars-10-years-later-how-are-survivors-faring-now/

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Date: 23/10/2021 03:24:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807178
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

And Here We Go

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59009293

A new mutated form of coronavirus that some are calling “Delta Plus” may spread more easily than regular Delta, UK experts now say. There is no evidence yet that it causes worse illness.

Dead fucking serious we must be dreaming or this is pretty much a paraphrase of what they said about “Delta” compared to “Alpha” or ancestralstrain or whatever, we mean, holy shit. You can also hear the overtones of passive fatalism in there, there is nothing we can do, the disease, it spreads, we must submit.

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Date: 23/10/2021 03:36:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807180
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

And Then

New Uh What Was That Again

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Date: 23/10/2021 03:38:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807181
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Freedom ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/uk-under-pressure-to-reimpose-restrictions-as-covid-cases-soar/13598564

Three months after Britain celebrated Freedom Day and ended COVID-19 restrictions, the country is recording one of the worst daily infection rates in the world, with close to 50 000 daily cases. The UK’s rate of infection, hospitalisation and death from COVID is higher than its European neighbours and some health experts are pressing the British government to reimpose social restrictions.

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Date: 23/10/2021 03:45:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1807182
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Amish covid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1DgWYdukZU

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Date: 23/10/2021 03:57:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807184
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Time To Win ¡

Undying With COVID-19

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2785388

Assessment of Cognitive Function in Patients After COVID-19 Infection

In this study, we found a relatively high frequency of cognitive impairment several months after patients contracted COVID-19. Impairments in executive functioning, processing speed, category fluency, memory encoding, and recall were predominant among hospitalized patients. The relative sparing of memory recognition in the context of impaired encoding and recall suggests an executive pattern. This pattern is consistent with zombifying processes, decreasing the volition and capacity for independent thought* of patients.

*: of course, for those patients choosing to not mask or vaccinate, it seems impossible to decrease this below zero, yet here we all are

Seems it’s not as bad as you might think though, they go on to say

The findings of this study are generally consistent with those of research on other viruses (eg, influenza).

so if only hospitalisation rates were as low as influenza…

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Date: 23/10/2021 07:24:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807191
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

oh well guess Australia backed a gift horse that keeps on giving

The hundreds of thousands of people who brought forward their second AstraZeneca dose to within eight weeks of the first during Sydney’s Delta outbreak should not delay their booster shot, GPs have warned.

According to data from the Australian Immunisation Register, more than 177,000 people in NSW received the two doses of the AstraZeneca shot four weeks apart after the recommended interval was shortened from 12 weeks to between four and eight.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/people-who-fast-tracked-astrazeneca-warned-not-to-skip-booster-20211022-p5928x.html

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Date: 23/10/2021 09:21:54
From: Michael V
ID: 1807198
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

NSW: 332 new cases, 2 deaths

VIC: 1,750 new cases, 9 deaths

——————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100562062

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Date: 23/10/2021 09:29:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807200
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

NSW: 332 new cases, 2 deaths

VIC: 1,750 new cases, 9 deaths

——————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100562062

so Freedom™ really does reduce positive test result counts

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Date: 23/10/2021 09:33:54
From: buffy
ID: 1807203
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

NSW: 332 new cases, 2 deaths

VIC: 1,750 new cases, 9 deaths

——————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100562062

so Freedom™ really does reduce positive test result counts

Test numbers?

NSW 64,000
Vic 73,000 (is sounds quite high to me)

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:20:30
From: Michael V
ID: 1807214
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 332 new cases, 2 deaths

VIC: 1,750 new cases, 9 deaths

——————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100562062

so Freedom™ really does reduce positive test result counts

Test numbers?

NSW 64,000
Vic 73,000 (is sounds quite high to me)

QLD: no new local cases, no deaths.

Unknown test numbers (but likely low).

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:28:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807215
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

so Freedom™ really does reduce positive test result counts

Test numbers?

NSW 64,000
Vic 73,000 (is sounds quite high to me)

QLD: no new local cases, no deaths.

Unknown test numbers (but likely low).

Don’t worry, Michael. Qld’s numbers for tests, cases, and deaths will soon be up there with the best of ‘em.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:39:05
From: Michael V
ID: 1807216
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

Test numbers?

NSW 64,000
Vic 73,000 (is sounds quite high to me)

QLD: no new local cases, no deaths.

Unknown test numbers (but likely low).

Don’t worry, Michael. Qld’s numbers for tests, cases, and deaths will soon be up there with the best of ‘em.

Unfortunately, I do worry about that. I can’t help myself.

It’s a pity that we have such a low uptake of vaccinations. That’s going to cause QLD difficulties soon enough.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:45:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807220
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

QLD: no new local cases, no deaths.

Unknown test numbers (but likely low).

Don’t worry, Michael. Qld’s numbers for tests, cases, and deaths will soon be up there with the best of ‘em.

Unfortunately, I do worry about that. I can’t help myself.

It’s a pity that we have such a low uptake of vaccinations. That’s going to cause QLD difficulties soon enough.

N95+ mask and vaccinated yourself, what more can you do ¿

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:45:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807221
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

“The UK response has been a matter of clutching defeat from the jaws of victory,” Danny Altmann, professor of immunology at Imperial College London, told Al Jazeera.

“We looked in a good place after the initial vaccine rollout, but now the situation looks bleak indeed,” he said.

Altmann conceded the UK may need to “learn to live with COVID-19” given the unlikelihood of now eliminating the virus altogether, but warned that should not mean giving up on efforts to contain it.

“We seem to be using the term rather as a synonym for ‘learn to tolerate a truly tragic level of wholly avoidable deaths since we can’t be bothered with simple mitigations’,” he said. “That’s not how one should practice medicine.”

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:48:40
From: Boris
ID: 1807222
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


… what more can you do ¿

be kind to others.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:50:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807226
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Don’t worry, Michael. Qld’s numbers for tests, cases, and deaths will soon be up there with the best of ‘em.

Unfortunately, I do worry about that. I can’t help myself.

It’s a pity that we have such a low uptake of vaccinations. That’s going to cause QLD difficulties soon enough.

N95+ mask and vaccinated yourself, what more can you do ¿

Shake head and say ‘tsk, tsk’ as the infected besiege the Emergency Depts.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:55:04
From: Michael V
ID: 1807229
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Don’t worry, Michael. Qld’s numbers for tests, cases, and deaths will soon be up there with the best of ‘em.

Unfortunately, I do worry about that. I can’t help myself.

It’s a pity that we have such a low uptake of vaccinations. That’s going to cause QLD difficulties soon enough.

N95+ mask and vaccinated yourself, what more can you do ¿

I’ll continue using my home-made washable cloth masks. More to do? Staying away from other people as much as possible, sanitising hands. (As we have been doing right from the start of this pandemic.).

I don’t intend to take up shaving at my advanced age. I’d likely cut myself…

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:55:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1807230
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


SCIENCE said:

… what more can you do ¿

be kind to others.

That too.

That could be a skill I may be able to learn.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:57:43
From: Michael V
ID: 1807231
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Unfortunately, I do worry about that. I can’t help myself.

It’s a pity that we have such a low uptake of vaccinations. That’s going to cause QLD difficulties soon enough.

N95+ mask and vaccinated yourself, what more can you do ¿

Shake head and say ‘tsk, tsk’ as the infected besiege the Emergency Depts.

Point and laugh, surely.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:59:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807233
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

N95+ mask and vaccinated yourself, what more can you do ¿

Shake head and say ‘tsk, tsk’ as the infected besiege the Emergency Depts.

Point and laugh, surely.

Won’t be funny for the ED staff who, quite frankly, already have enough to do without people swarming the place with an illness that they needn’t have got if they hadn’t been so stupid/gullible/chickenshit.

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Date: 23/10/2021 10:59:54
From: Michael V
ID: 1807234
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

so Freedom™ really does reduce positive test result counts

Test numbers?

NSW 64,000
Vic 73,000 (is sounds quite high to me)

QLD: no new local cases, no deaths.

Unknown test numbers (but likely low).

Tests: 6,800

Not good enough, IMHO.

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Date: 23/10/2021 11:01:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1807238
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Shake head and say ‘tsk, tsk’ as the infected besiege the Emergency Depts.

Point and laugh, surely.

Won’t be funny for the ED staff who, quite frankly, already have enough to do without people swarming the place with an illness that they needn’t have got if they hadn’t been so stupid/gullible/chickenshit.

Agree.

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Date: 23/10/2021 11:23:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807253
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Test numbers?

NSW 64,000
Vic 73,000 (is sounds quite high to me)

QLD: no new local cases, no deaths.

Unknown test numbers (but likely low).

Tests: 6,800

Not good enough, IMHO.

so we were wrong, 1/10, not 1/6, sheesh

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Date: 23/10/2021 11:24:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807254
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Point and laugh, surely.

Won’t be funny for the ED staff who, quite frankly, already have enough to do without people swarming the place with an illness that they needn’t have got if they hadn’t been so stupid/gullible/chickenshit.

Agree.

shouldn’t they have policies already in place, just wave them through for intubation or onto ECMO or into a nice decorated wooden box, easy, no stress

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Date: 23/10/2021 11:26:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807256
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Success ¡ Labor Dynasties Will Be Terminated

https://www.smh.com.au/national/when-your-kid-gets-covid-at-school-katy-gallagher-on-being-prepared-20211018-p590s5.html

When your kid gets COVID at school: Katy Gallagher on being prepared

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Date: 23/10/2021 12:22:51
From: transition
ID: 1807294
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-59006764
Ros Atkins on… Rising Covid cases in the UK
reading and watching various news, now this^

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Date: 23/10/2021 13:55:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1807361
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Gosh!

(Shakes head.)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/joe-rogan-ted-cruz-and-fox-new-criticise-australian-covid-policy/100553548

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Date: 23/10/2021 13:56:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807362
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Gosh!

(Shakes head.)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/joe-rogan-ted-cruz-and-fox-new-criticise-australian-covid-policy/100553548

If only they hadn’t taken our guns away!

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Date: 23/10/2021 14:02:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1807366
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Gosh!

(Shakes head.)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/joe-rogan-ted-cruz-and-fox-new-criticise-australian-covid-policy/100553548

The sad thing is that for these Americans, having 46,264,596 cases and 755,712 deaths is the sign of “freedom”.

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Date: 23/10/2021 14:10:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807373
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

well then stop posting memes and stfu and get back to work staffing more beds you lazy shit

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Date: 23/10/2021 14:12:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807374
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Gosh!

(Shakes head.)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/joe-rogan-ted-cruz-and-fox-new-criticise-australian-covid-policy/100553548

The sad thing is that for these Americans, having 46,264,596 cases and 755,712 deaths is the sign of “freedom”.

it’s fine we have foreign interference laws against this idiocy oh wait that’s only for the other massive overseas superpower yeah we welcome fascists with open arms here

don’t worry at least we have some leaders with guts and brains and hair

https://twitter.com/fanniebay/status/1449945099383705601

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Date: 23/10/2021 14:15:03
From: party_pants
ID: 1807377
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


Gosh!

(Shakes head.)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/joe-rogan-ted-cruz-and-fox-new-criticise-australian-covid-policy/100553548

I vote we invade Florida and bayonet these people to death.

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Date: 23/10/2021 17:14:43
From: Tamb
ID: 1807460
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Just popped in with today’s Qld figures:

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Date: 23/10/2021 20:56:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807553
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tamb said:

Just popped in with today’s Qld figures:

so a few more tests than the others claimed ah well

nice 0 anyway, hopefully you can keep it that way

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Date: 23/10/2021 20:56:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807554
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

good night

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Date: 23/10/2021 22:37:48
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1807602
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Romania has been very bad several times before. So has Bulgaria. The Caribbean has been getting better, ditto Fiji.

Anything over 10 on this table is very bad. Two months ago, the worst was only 12. Daily deaths per million population. Australia is running at 0.59, midway down the list of countries.

Here’s a vaccination chart for the same countries, with Australia added. Mongolia has the combination of relatively high vaccination rate (same as Australia) and high Covid death rate (8.5 times as high as Australia). Australia now has a higher vaccination rate per unit population than the USA :-)

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Date: 24/10/2021 07:07:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807666
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:

keep it that way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/23/uk-facing-another-covid-lockdown-christmas-if-we-dont-act-soon

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Date: 24/10/2021 07:40:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807669
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Oh Look Another Surprise Nobody Could Have Foreseen

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-23/full-capacity-for-sydney-schools-monday-possible-staff-shortages/100563044

As of Friday, October 22, more than 95 per cent of school staff had declared they were fully vaccinated, a spokesperson for NSW Education said, with the rate slightly higher among teachers.

Mr Gavrielatos said the percentage of those unvaccinated meant there would be a shortage of about 3,000 teachers.

“That presents serious challenges in terms of the organisation of a school,” he said, “in terms of ensuring that we have staff in front of every classroom and our timetabled classes proceed unaffected.

Well they can fucking stay away until they are vaccinated.

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Date: 24/10/2021 08:17:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807679
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

the sweet spot to crush COVID’s latest wave … states of emergency, and the resignation of a prime minister

oh yes please

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Date: 24/10/2021 08:19:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807680
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Experts say COVID-19 case numbers in the coming days will be crucial to understanding how the virus is spreading in reopened NSW, but high vaccination coverage should see hospital admissions continue to decline.

if they were more expert then they would actually admit that it is not the vaccination but the fact that they are about to sacrifice your school-age children, then their parents, then the rest of the population, but because it is the young first then the severity won’t initially appear as bad

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Date: 24/10/2021 08:56:31
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807698
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

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Date: 24/10/2021 08:58:25
From: Tamb
ID: 1807699
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:




Place the animal in a create!?

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Date: 24/10/2021 09:01:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807700
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:



Blood Creationists.

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Date: 24/10/2021 09:02:06
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807701
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tamb said:


Dark Orange said:



Place the animal in a create!?

Tiepo.

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Date: 24/10/2021 09:10:29
From: Tamb
ID: 1807702
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:



Place the animal in a create!?

Tiepo.


I thought that was the rabbit in the rabbi joke.

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Date: 24/10/2021 09:40:26
From: Michael V
ID: 1807709
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

VIC: 1,935 new COVID-19 cases and 11 deaths

24,993 active cases, 223 deaths in the current Delta outbreak.

Almost 70,000 tests

787 people in hospital.
…………………………………………………………………………………..

NSW: 296 new cases, four deaths.

66,740 tests.

480 people in hospital

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-24/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100563082

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Date: 24/10/2021 09:44:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807710
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Mr Hunt said Australia was on track to be one of the most highly and most recently vaccinated countries in the world, while it would also be one of the firs countries to roll out a booster program, too.

“most recently”, you mean, late / slow / delayed / retarded

so let’s go then, booster programme, talk the talk, now

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Date: 24/10/2021 10:03:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807718
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:

talk the talk

more of their clickbait

A woman offered a bribe to fake her vaccination. Then the unexpected happened

The president of the pharmacy guild in Victoria said he responded by asking the woman in her 40s if she had any particular questions about the vaccine. When she swore at him, calling him greedy, he changed tack. “I said ‘look, this needle is going in someone’s arm, either yours or the next person’s, so you either roll up your sleeve, or you get out’.” About 15 minutes later, the woman quietly walked out of the Melbourne pharmacy with that vaccine in her arm.

Sydney GP Charlotte Hespe believes many of her patients are willing to engage with her because she won’t tell them they are stupid or refuse to care for them. She will, however, respectfully disagree with them while addressing their fears. The woman told her she was afraid the vaccine would kill her, and she wanted to be alive in 10 years time. Dr Hespe told her bluntly that if she got the infection that could be it for her. After mulling it over, the woman returned later for her vaccine and now has two doses. “She has this cohort of friends who are all complete anti-vaxxers, and she has got them all over the line … she basically said to them what I’d said, and that resonated with all of them.”

She was required to get the vaccine for work. Mr Tassone told her about his parents, who he said were also very religious, and suggested that by having the vaccine she could continue to do the Lord’s good work. “She immediately just relaxed and said ‘I didn’t think of it like that’. The pharmacist held her hand as he gave her the vaccine with the other, as she stood and chanted a prayer.

There you see religion cures all ills¡

Victoria (90.2 per cent) and NSW (93 per cent), doctors and pharmacists say that the discussions that they are having with patients still yet to receive their first vaccine dose are becoming more challenging. These include people reluctantly getting vaccinated to keep their jobs in the face of sweeping vaccination mandates, or those who hadn’t planned on having the jab, but now realise they will have to to do the things they want, like go to the pub.

Imagine that, mandatory vaccination and vaccine dependent freedoms actually increase vaccination rate, who would have thought ¿¡

Now Do Masks

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Date: 24/10/2021 10:07:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807721
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Boris said:

SCIENCE said:

… what more can you do ¿

be kind to others.

That too.

That could be a skill I may be able to learn.

I’ll continue using my home-made washable cloth masks. More to do? Staying away from other people as much as possible, sanitising hands.

Well we can’t do the kind part.

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Date: 24/10/2021 10:10:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807726
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Shake head and say ‘tsk, tsk’ as the infected besiege the Emergency Depts.

Point and laugh, surely.

Won’t be funny for the ED staff who, quite frankly, already have enough to do without people swarming the place with an illness that they needn’t have got if they hadn’t been so stupid/gullible/chickenshit.

but surely rumour has it that ED staff are having a right ball these days because apart from the stupid gullible, most people are chickenshit and don’t want to catch something in the waiting room, and since they had to shut down elective surgery and chemotherapy and all that fun stuff, people aren’t having emergencies from that

also speaking of point and laugh

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Date: 24/10/2021 10:16:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807729
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/day-one-of-school-balloons-and-smiles-day-three-a-shocking-email-20211021-p5925q.html

Balloons in school colours and a big WELCOME BACK sign greeted kindy and year 1 students as they arrived at Oatley Public School on Monday. The children were nervous, excited and relieved; so were their parents. After 16 weeks, life was finally returning to normal. But shortly after the final school bell on Wednesday, parents received the email they dreaded; there had been a positive case, and the school would shut for contact tracing and cleaning. Close contacts would have to isolate.

“returning to normal” sure oh wait even before the full return that’s uh

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/24/covid-outbreaks-have-shut-more-than-320-schools-across-nsw-and-victoria-in-past-three-weeks

getting close to 10% of schools in just 3 weeks isn’t it

and an afterthought

“Parents have already told me that, despite how tough it was to balance home learning with their own work schedules, they still have really wonderful memories of learning from home. We really wanted the learning from home period to be a time when families were brought closer together, not torn apart by unnecessary stress.”

oh so actually forcing students back into bully barrels classrooms to be shot by bullies taught is actually not strictly and absolutely necessary for wellbeing, it’s not even necessarily beneficial relative to the alternative, it’s a possibility that decreases the closeness of families

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Date: 24/10/2021 10:22:11
From: transition
ID: 1807735
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/day-one-of-school-balloons-and-smiles-day-three-a-shocking-email-20211021-p5925q.html

Balloons in school colours and a big WELCOME BACK sign greeted kindy and year 1 students as they arrived at Oatley Public School on Monday. The children were nervous, excited and relieved; so were their parents. After 16 weeks, life was finally returning to normal. But shortly after the final school bell on Wednesday, parents received the email they dreaded; there had been a positive case, and the school would shut for contact tracing and cleaning. Close contacts would have to isolate.

“returning to normal” sure oh wait even before the full return that’s uh

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/24/covid-outbreaks-have-shut-more-than-320-schools-across-nsw-and-victoria-in-past-three-weeks

getting close to 10% of schools in just 3 weeks isn’t it

and an afterthought

“Parents have already told me that, despite how tough it was to balance home learning with their own work schedules, they still have really wonderful memories of learning from home. We really wanted the learning from home period to be a time when families were brought closer together, not torn apart by unnecessary stress.”

oh so actually forcing students back into bully barrels classrooms to be shot by bullies taught is actually not strictly and absolutely necessary for wellbeing, it’s not even necessarily beneficial relative to the alternative, it’s a possibility that decreases the closeness of families

the policy of endemic covid is a fucken joke

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Date: 24/10/2021 10:26:50
From: Trevtaowillgetyounowhere
ID: 1807737
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/day-one-of-school-balloons-and-smiles-day-three-a-shocking-email-20211021-p5925q.html

Balloons in school colours and a big WELCOME BACK sign greeted kindy and year 1 students as they arrived at Oatley Public School on Monday. The children were nervous, excited and relieved; so were their parents. After 16 weeks, life was finally returning to normal. But shortly after the final school bell on Wednesday, parents received the email they dreaded; there had been a positive case, and the school would shut for contact tracing and cleaning. Close contacts would have to isolate.

“returning to normal” sure oh wait even before the full return that’s uh

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/24/covid-outbreaks-have-shut-more-than-320-schools-across-nsw-and-victoria-in-past-three-weeks

getting close to 10% of schools in just 3 weeks isn’t it

and an afterthought

“Parents have already told me that, despite how tough it was to balance home learning with their own work schedules, they still have really wonderful memories of learning from home. We really wanted the learning from home period to be a time when families were brought closer together, not torn apart by unnecessary stress.”

oh so actually forcing students back into bully barrels classrooms to be shot by bullies taught is actually not strictly and absolutely necessary for wellbeing, it’s not even necessarily beneficial relative to the alternative, it’s a possibility that decreases the closeness of families

Some of the parents I’ve had to contact about returning to school have told me that they are done, they are struggling and just cant deal anymore with 24/7 kiddies at home. I work in a special needs school with children who are severely handicapped and often have behavioural problem stemming from their disability so I totally get it.

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Date: 24/10/2021 12:23:55
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807781
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

From a GP mate:

I gave my first booster this week.
Typical government – they’ve told patients to get one, us to do it, who is eligible and when; but provided no billing information or actual formal guidance.
I had a Pfizer about to go off and a patient who met the criteria so just did it for free.
Police and healthcare are now six months post second Pfizer with no plan for a booster in sight yet. That’s the next challenge.

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Date: 24/10/2021 13:06:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807797
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:

From a GP mate:

I gave my first booster this week.
Typical government – they’ve told patients to get one, us to do it, who is eligible and when; but provided no billing information or actual formal guidance.
I had a Pfizer about to go off and a patient who met the criteria so just did it for free.
Police and healthcare are now six months post second Pfizer with no plan for a booster in sight yet. That’s the next challenge.

so does your GP recommend people rock up and see if boosters are available

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Date: 24/10/2021 13:41:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807812
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/day-one-of-school-balloons-and-smiles-day-three-a-shocking-email-20211021-p5925q.html

Balloons in school colours and a big WELCOME BACK sign greeted kindy and year 1 students as they arrived at Oatley Public School on Monday. The children were nervous, excited and relieved; so were their parents. After 16 weeks, life was finally returning to normal. But shortly after the final school bell on Wednesday, parents received the email they dreaded; there had been a positive case, and the school would shut for contact tracing and cleaning. Close contacts would have to isolate.

“returning to normal” sure oh wait even before the full return that’s uh

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/24/covid-outbreaks-have-shut-more-than-320-schools-across-nsw-and-victoria-in-past-three-weeks

getting close to 10% of schools in just 3 weeks isn’t it

and an afterthought

“Parents have already told me that, despite how tough it was to balance home learning with their own work schedules, they still have really wonderful memories of learning from home. We really wanted the learning from home period to be a time when families were brought closer together, not torn apart by unnecessary stress.”

oh so actually forcing students back into bully barrels classrooms to be shot by bullies taught is actually not strictly and absolutely necessary for wellbeing, it’s not even necessarily beneficial relative to the alternative, it’s a possibility that decreases the closeness of families

the policy of endemic covid is a fucken joke

Some of the parents I’ve had to contact about returning to school have told me that they are done, they are struggling and just cant deal anymore with 24/7 kiddies at home. I work in a special needs school with children who are severely handicapped and often have behavioural problem stemming from their disability so I totally get it.

One, endemic. ^ It’s fucked up.

Two, returning special needs school totally. Well yeah, fair qualification on that; we in no way represent that our claim applies absolutely to all stakeholders, certainly any educational policy will potentially benefit some people more than others. Ideally we might have an education system that is able to provide (at scale) both in-person and remote / distance / online learning, enabling

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Date: 24/10/2021 17:37:41
From: dv
ID: 1807895
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

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Date: 24/10/2021 17:46:41
From: Boris
ID: 1807898
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The Vaccine Death Report

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:02:39
From: sibeen
ID: 1807903
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

Undoubtedly junior Cthulhu.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:03:16
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1807904
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

Intellectual, heh.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:05:06
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807905
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The Vaccine Death Report

Someone is taking the piss, surely?

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:07:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1807906
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

Gosh!

Certainly not an intellectual…

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:07:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1807907
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

Intellectual, heh.

Or for what passes for one when it comes to conservative Americans.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:07:51
From: sibeen
ID: 1807908
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The Vaccine Death Report

Besides the White Pope, there is also a lesser known Black Pope who has far more power, but who
works more behind the scenes. The Black Pope however is still submitted to one who sits on a higher
throne: the Grey Pope. This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he
yields enormous power over the world. If you want to understand how all this originated historically,
you have to research the dark spiritual origins of the Jesuits. I will leave it here, for now, as this topic
can easily lead us too far.

See, I didn’t know this. Thankyou, Boris.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:11:42
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1807910
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

I’ve found I am more adept at taking off bottle tops since I’ve had both doses of Astra.
In the past sometimes I couldn’t get the top off a stubbie without having to get a cloth but now no problems.
It’s only a personal anecdote, but yeah.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:12:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807911
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The word “intellectual” must mean something different in the USA.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:12:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1807912
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

It was a 5G tower located 200 meters away that made him say that in real time.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:13:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1807913
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

sibeen said:


Boris said:

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The Vaccine Death Report

Besides the White Pope, there is also a lesser known Black Pope who has far more power, but who
works more behind the scenes. The Black Pope however is still submitted to one who sits on a higher
throne: the Grey Pope. This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he
yields enormous power over the world. If you want to understand how all this originated historically,
you have to research the dark spiritual origins of the Jesuits. I will leave it here, for now, as this topic
can easily lead us too far.

See, I didn’t know this. Thankyou, Boris.

It’s been a while since a Popish plot.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:14:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1807914
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

It was a 5G tower located 200 meters away that made him say that in real time.

5G towers can do anything.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:14:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807915
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The word “intellectual” must mean something different in the USA.

.. and probably a good idea to read a few more recent replies before making a rather obvious comment. :)

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:35:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1807916
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

I’ve found I am more adept at taking off bottle tops since I’ve had both doses of Astra.
In the past sometimes I couldn’t get the top off a stubbie without having to get a cloth but now no problems.
It’s only a personal anecdote, but yeah.

I dunno,

A black Pope
A grey Pope
A puppet master
An unnamed women scientist
and an unnamed doctor

No, something’s wrong, sounds too suspicious, Ive rung up the pagan police, they should start to make arrests soon.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:46:20
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1807918
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

I’ve found I am more adept at taking off bottle tops since I’ve had both doses of Astra.
In the past sometimes I couldn’t get the top off a stubbie without having to get a cloth but now no problems.
It’s only a personal anecdote, but yeah.

I dunno,

A black Pope
A grey Pope
A puppet master
An unnamed women scientist
and an unnamed doctor

No, something’s wrong, sounds too suspicious, Ive rung up the pagan police, they should start to make arrests soon.

I left out the creature with tentacles

hang on it looks more scary in uppercase

CREATURE WITH TENTACLES

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:46:48
From: transition
ID: 1807919
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

looks like a thought disorder to me

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:48:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1807920
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

transition said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

looks like a thought disorder to me

5G did that to him in real time.

Replaced his whole memory with that of another person.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:49:04
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1807921
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:53:01
From: buffy
ID: 1807924
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Divine Angel said:


My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

Gosh. Things can get really messed up.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:54:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1807925
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Divine Angel said:


My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

I have 2 brothers refusing COID19 vaccination, one of them has asthma.

They were vaccinated as children, now they are against COVID vaccination.

Vaccinated as children doesn’t seem to factor in at all with their attitude.

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:56:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807926
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

Gosh. Things can get really messed up.

‘e didn’t think a better option would have been to retract the disinformation and advance correction ¿

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:58:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807927
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I have 2 brothers refusing COID19 vaccination, one of them has asthma.

They were vaccinated as children, now they are against COVID vaccination.

Vaccinated as children doesn’t seem to factor in at all with their attitude.

perhaps but it’s not like they were really given much choice at the time surely

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Date: 24/10/2021 18:59:26
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1807928
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

Divine Angel said:

My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

Gosh. Things can get really messed up.

‘e didn’t think a better option would have been to retract the disinformation and advance correction ¿

my guess is he was already depressed and the recent event pushed him over the edge . the isolation of covid has had a global affect on mental health as i understand things.

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:10:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1807929
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.



oh, guess cases don’t count, hospitalisation doesn’t count, it’s deaths

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:12:23
From: Michael V
ID: 1807931
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Divine Angel said:


My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

Bloody!

:(

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:12:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1807932
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Divine Angel said:


My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

Jazzus.

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:14:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1807935
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Tau.Neutrino said:


Divine Angel said:

My celebrant lost a friend to suicide this week.

He’d been posting disinformation about Covid on his social media. One of his friends believed all of it, refused vaccination, and died from Covid in Melbourne last week. Celebrant’s friend blamed himself for his friend’s death, and took his own life.

I have 2 brothers refusing COID19 vaccination, one of them has asthma.

They were vaccinated as children, now they are against COVID vaccination.

Vaccinated as children doesn’t seem to factor in at all with their attitude.

Gosh!

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:16:14
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807937
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Sorry for the sore neck.
An online mate has been complaining about a woo medical practitioner on his street having hundreds of unmasked yobs lined up outside all day, every day and it was pretty obvious what was going on.

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:21:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1807939
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:23:56
From: Boris
ID: 1807940
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

LOL, did you use the wayback machine to get that? See if you can dig something up that happened in living memory.

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Date: 24/10/2021 19:46:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1807947
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

LOL, did you use the wayback machine to get that? See if you can dig something up that happened in living memory.

He’s still alive, don’t know if he’s still in Congress though.

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Date: 24/10/2021 20:46:31
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807954
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

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Date: 24/10/2021 20:49:26
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1807955
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

LOL, did you use the wayback machine to get that? See if you can dig something up that happened in living memory.

He’s still alive, don’t know if he’s still in Congress though.

We can’t talk.
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1080876611791/pauline-hanson-asks-whether-or-not-australian-submarines-can-stay-underwater-for-20-minutes

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:06:37
From: Kingy
ID: 1807961
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Boris said:

LOL, did you use the wayback machine to get that? See if you can dig something up that happened in living memory.

He’s still alive, don’t know if he’s still in Congress though.

We can’t talk.
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1080876611791/pauline-hanson-asks-whether-or-not-australian-submarines-can-stay-underwater-for-20-minutes

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:11:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807962
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Peak Warming Man said:

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q


Helen Lovejoy’s prayers are answered:

Really, Congressman Hank should give the weed 24 hours rest before the committee hearings.

That cat is high.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:12:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807964
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Kingy said:


Dark Orange said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He’s still alive, don’t know if he’s still in Congress though.

We can’t talk.
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1080876611791/pauline-hanson-asks-whether-or-not-australian-submarines-can-stay-underwater-for-20-minutes

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:12:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807965
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Yeah, 2011is getting a bit a bit stale.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:15:22
From: Boris
ID: 1807966
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Yeah, 2011is getting a bit a bit stale.

plus no one is probably going to die with that misinformation.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:17:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807967
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

At least some people give that guy a bit of respect, from the comments:

“I lived on Guam for half my life. We had typhoons with 200+ mph winds and 40 foot waves and the island only capsized once. But we all hung on to the east side and flipped it back around quickly so we were all okay. Thank you Congressman for caring.”

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:18:05
From: dv
ID: 1807968
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Michael V said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

Gosh!

Certainly not an intellectual…

Conservative intellectual is dvspeak for rightwing nutjob

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:18:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1807969
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

We can’t talk.
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1080876611791/pauline-hanson-asks-whether-or-not-australian-submarines-can-stay-underwater-for-20-minutes

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

Maybe the media sources you use only report on her when she says the utterly stupid shit.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:19:24
From: Kingy
ID: 1807970
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kingy said:

Dark Orange said:

We can’t talk.
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1080876611791/pauline-hanson-asks-whether-or-not-australian-submarines-can-stay-underwater-for-20-minutes

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

The stupid shit is what makes the news.

When she wants to assist the local manufacturers to continue to make things in Australia, it’s not news.

When she wants to help the homeless, it’s not news.

When she says the stupid stuff… Front Page News!

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:19:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1807971
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Here’s something more recent.

March 2020.

Congressman Hank on a world without balloons, and no helium for squeaky voices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jVTbwVGko

Still wacked on scooby-snacks, it seems.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:19:55
From: dv
ID: 1807972
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

I’ve found I am more adept at taking off bottle tops since I’ve had both doses of Astra.
In the past sometimes I couldn’t get the top off a stubbie without having to get a cloth but now no problems.
It’s only a personal anecdote, but yeah.

ROFLMFAO

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:19:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807973
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

Maybe the media sources you use only report on her when she says the utterly stupid shit.

That is certainly possible.

PWM needs to work harder on his chosen task.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:24:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1807975
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

Maybe the media sources you use only report on her when she says the utterly stupid shit.

That is certainly possible.

PWM needs to work harder on his chosen task.

Hanson on dealing with the homeless

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:26:05
From: btm
ID: 1807976
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

The Vaccine Death Report

Thanks for that, Boris. Among other claims made by the authors of that document — which includes photos (allegedly 400x micrographs, but in extremely sharp focus) of the Cthulhu-like creatures — is that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (sometimes with zinc) have a 100% success rate at curing COVID-19. They also claim that the vaccines contain “graphene oxide”. Lots of references are included, and a bibliography is included at the end — to things like youtube.com and breitbart.com.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:28:29
From: btm
ID: 1807977
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

There’s some strange dudes in US politics.
Here’s a progressive democrat worrying about Guam capsizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

At least some people give that guy a bit of respect, from the comments:

“I lived on Guam for half my life. We had typhoons with 200+ mph winds and 40 foot waves and the island only capsized once. But we all hung on to the east side and flipped it back around quickly so we were all okay. Thank you Congressman for caring.”

Reminds me of the episode of Father Ted in which one of the people says the island has no east side: it was knocked off in a storm.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:33:42
From: dv
ID: 1807978
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Kingy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

The stupid shit is what makes the news.

When she wants to assist the local manufacturers to continue to make things in Australia, it’s not news.

When she wants to help the homeless, it’s not news.

When she says the stupid stuff… Front Page News!

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:34:01
From: Boris
ID: 1807979
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

captain_spalding said:


Here’s something more recent.

March 2020.

Congressman Hank on a world without balloons, and no helium for squeaky voices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jVTbwVGko

Still wacked on scooby-snacks, it seems.

I watched that and thought most of it was TIC. His way of putting it across certainly made it look like that.

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Date: 24/10/2021 21:59:30
From: Kingy
ID: 1807989
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:


Kingy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

The stupid shit is what makes the news.

When she wants to assist the local manufacturers to continue to make things in Australia, it’s not news.

When she wants to help the homeless, it’s not news.

When she says the stupid stuff… Front Page News!


Fair call. That’s one of the times that she said stupid shit.

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Date: 24/10/2021 22:04:48
From: Michael V
ID: 1807995
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Conservative intellectual and Republican New Hampshire House of Reps member Ken Weyler has distributed to his colleagues a manifesto called The Vaccine Death Report. Weyler is also chairman of the House’s finance committee.

https://nhjournal.com/gops-weyler-pushing-conspiracy-theory-about-creature-with-tentacles-in-vax/

The 52-page manifesto makes many false and irrational claims about the vaccine and other topics.  For example, the authors say governments will “steal our very own thoughts and feelings through 5G,” and claim that in addition to the Pope, the Catholic Church has spawned an evil “Black Pope” and a “Grey Pope.”

“This supreme puppet master operates entirely in the shadows, from where he yields enormous power over the world,” they claim.

Perhaps the most eye-popping bit of paranoia comes under the heading “CREATURE WITH TENTACLES,” in which a woman scientist says observations of the vaccine under a microscope revealed “a living organism with tentacles. This creature moves around, lifts itself up, and even seems to be self-aware.

“The sight of this and the thought that these unknown, octopus-like creatures are being injected into millions of children worldwide, caused the doctor to weep,” the manifesto reads.

Gosh!

Certainly not an intellectual…

Conservative intellectual is dvspeak for rightwing nutjob

OK.

LOL

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Date: 24/10/2021 22:33:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1808009
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Kingy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

Most of what Pauline says is intelligent and helpful and should be taken seriously. Then she says utterly stupid shit that completely destroys any of her credibility.

Really?

How does she manage to always say it when I’m not listening?

The stupid shit is what makes the news.

When she wants to assist the local manufacturers to continue to make things in Australia, it’s not news.

When she wants to help the homeless, it’s not news.

When she says the stupid stuff… Front Page News!

we mean, let’s not discount the fact that the next most intelligent species probably doesn’t have as rich and diverse language as most humans, so that covers the intelligent bit, and much of what any human talks about is generally what other humans talk about and concordant and therefore beneficial to concordance, so there’s the helpful

what’s outstanding is that of the thousands of other politicians out there, so few of them are known for their lack of intelligence or helpfulness, so few of them are front page news for being stupid

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Date: 25/10/2021 01:03:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1808032
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

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Date: 25/10/2021 01:23:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1808033
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

bit of noise coming from UK, might be getting a bit seedy all over the isles

which might be a little odd, seeing as they’ve already peaked

apparently their false positive laboratory are still processing travel tests too, so stand by for another wave of exported bioterrorism

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Date: 25/10/2021 01:25:11
From: btm
ID: 1808034
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

SCIENCE said:



Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

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Date: 25/10/2021 01:30:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1808035
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

btm said:

SCIENCE said:


Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

d’n‘o’, we’re just reposting, not our image, presumably they didn’t actually want the purported victim to be stung to death

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Date: 25/10/2021 01:35:48
From: Arts
ID: 1808036
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

btm said:


SCIENCE said:


Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

Then why is he wearing the face protection?

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Date: 25/10/2021 02:51:27
From: btm
ID: 1808037
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Arts said:


btm said:

SCIENCE said:


Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

Then why is he wearing the face protection?

Costume for the photo?

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Date: 25/10/2021 08:10:30
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1808046
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Arts said:


btm said:

SCIENCE said:


Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

Then why is he wearing the face protection?

Makes for a good and funny photo.

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Date: 25/10/2021 10:04:10
From: Boris
ID: 1808061
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Arts said:


btm said:

SCIENCE said:


Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

Then why is he wearing the face protection?

he is a dentist in his day job?

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Date: 25/10/2021 10:35:11
From: Boris
ID: 1808064
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/neville-power-charged-with-breaching-wa-coronavirus-restrictions/100564474

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Date: 25/10/2021 11:16:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1808072
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

and yet again See ¡ With Freedom® comes even better pandemic control ¡ WTF* laugh out loud

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Date: 25/10/2021 11:21:46
From: Arts
ID: 1808076
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Dark Orange said:


Arts said:

btm said:

Any details about that photo? Whenever I open my hives, there are bees on top of the frames and on top of the box sides, and — depending on what frame I’m handling — on the wax on the frame itself, but there are none in that photo; he’s handling the frame barehanded (the bees will sting the hands continuously if you do that), and there’s no smoker in sight. I’d say he’s preparing the hive to accept bees, but there are none there.

Then why is he wearing the face protection?

Makes for a good and funny photo.

I strongly disagree that it is either of those things, even if it’s supposed to be. .. is this the guy who photo shops his kid in seemingly dangerous situations for laughs?

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Date: 25/10/2021 11:36:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1808079
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Boris said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/neville-power-charged-with-breaching-wa-coronavirus-restrictions/100564474

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Date: 25/10/2021 11:41:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1808080
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Cymek said:

Boris said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/neville-power-charged-with-breaching-wa-coronavirus-restrictions/100564474

rules are for other people

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Date: 25/10/2021 11:47:16
From: transition
ID: 1808083
Subject: re: COVID: 18-24 Oct.

Arts said:


Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

Then why is he wearing the face protection?

Makes for a good and funny photo.

I strongly disagree that it is either of those things, even if it’s supposed to be. .. is this the guy who photo shops his kid in seemingly dangerous situations for laughs?

I think the photo’s just a set-up to point to the idea of childhood exposure

mum’s out there with the camera baby hanging on front, while dad’s working with bees, one has an idea it would make a stirring picture if dad held baby while pretending to do something with what really are the empty bee boxes

a bit like getting a picture of your toddler standing on the car seat pretending to drive, or whatever

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