Let’s start a new thread with a fact check on Joshie.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/fact-check-is-melbourne-most-locked-down-city/100560172

This looks interesting. Risk calculators are the current preferred way of working this sort of thing out. There has been glaucoma ones for some years, and ones for heart disease etc.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/qld-coronavirus-covid-risk-calculator/100563068

buffy said:

This looks interesting. Risk calculators are the current preferred way of working this sort of thing out. There has been glaucoma ones for some years, and ones for heart disease etc.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/qld-coronavirus-covid-risk-calculator/100563068

So I ran myself on the medium risk scenario. It takes no account at all of your health status – which sort of messes up the risk really. Anyway, you also need to watch out for the change in the x axis as you go down the results. It’s a bit deceptive as they stretch it out to make the risk readable.

buffy said:

buffy said:

This looks interesting. Risk calculators are the current preferred way of working this sort of thing out. There has been glaucoma ones for some years, and ones for heart disease etc.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/qld-coronavirus-covid-risk-calculator/100563068

So I ran myself on the medium risk scenario. It takes no account at all of your health status – which sort of messes up the risk really. Anyway, you also need to watch out for the change in the x axis as you go down the results. It’s a bit deceptive as they stretch it out to make the risk readable.

“It’s not possible to sustain zero transmission forever,” she said.

on the contrary, it’s even less possible to sustain nonzero transmission forever

so called experts

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

Blimey.

Senior Sprog works at a covid testing facility. She just sent a text saying that a bloke has come through for testing as he had the vaccine a month ago and he thinks it turned him gay.

Peak Warming Man said:

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

Blimey.

High chance it’s coincidental. Which is not much help for the grieving though.

sibeen said:

Senior Sprog works at a covid testing facility. She just sent a text saying that a bloke has come through for testing as he had the vaccine a month ago and he thinks it turned him gay.

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

What was the heart condition?

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

Blimey.

High chance it’s coincidental. Which is not much help for the grieving though.

I was looking through the American database of adverse reactions, and most of the deaths I found were literally aged care residents over 100 years old. And one fellow who was symptomatic when jabbed then died from covid 48 hours later.

sibeen said:

Senior Sprog works at a covid testing facility. She just sent a text saying that a bloke has come through for testing as he had the vaccine a month ago and he thinks it turned him gay.

So is he wanting a test for gay or covid?

poikilotherm said:

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

What was the heart condition?

I don’t know.

btm said:

poikilotherm said:

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

What was the heart condition?

I don’t know.

Ah, there are a few heart specific contraindications for the moderna vax, some more lethal than others.

Dark Orange said:

sibeen said:

Senior Sprog works at a covid testing facility. She just sent a text saying that a bloke has come through for testing as he had the vaccine a month ago and he thinks it turned him gay.

Well, that’s one way of breaking the news to the family.

sibeen said:

Senior Sprog works at a covid testing facility. She just sent a text saying that a bloke has come through for testing as he had the vaccine a month ago and he thinks it turned him gay.

Where did he get jabbed?

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

sibeen said:

Senior Sprog works at a covid testing facility. She just sent a text saying that a bloke has come through for testing as he had the vaccine a month ago and he thinks it turned him gay.

Well, that’s one way of breaking the news to the family.

LOL

btm said:

A friend (female, 54) of my mother had the Moderna vaccine on Saturday; she died in less than 24 hours. They’re doing an autopsy to see what killed her, but she had some underlying health conditions (including a heart condition.)

Bugger.

:(

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Tamb said:

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Mixing it up like a DJ

Tamb said:

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Good lad.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Mixing it up like a DJ

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Tamb said:

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Well done.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Well done.

The border opening has scooted lots of people along.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Just back from getting my second jab of AZ.
Pfizer booster booked for 29/12.

Mixing it up like a DJ

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Mixing it up like a DJ

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

You still getting customers, poik?

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Mixing it up like a DJ

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

Makes sense

Cymek said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

Makes sense

Hope this one is as symptom-free as the last one.

Peak Warming Man said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

You still getting customers, poik?

Yep, heaps of stragglers.

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Mixing it up like a DJ

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

What is the reasoning behind that? Apart from the fact we are going to stop making AZ.

Cymek said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

Makes sense

I don’t think we mix and match the boosters for kids, do we?

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I questioned the doc & he said 2x AZ then a Pf is quite OK.

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

What is the reasoning behind that? Apart from the fact we are going to stop making AZ.

Quite a few studies show better immune response when mix and match is used.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

poikilotherm said:

Current guidelines are to use a different booster to what the original course was

Makes sense

I don’t think we mix and match the boosters for kids, do we?

Boosters are for very specific patient groups, majority do not qualify.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Makes sense

I don’t think we mix and match the boosters for kids, do we?

Boosters are for very specific patient groups, majority do not qualify.

Not for under 12s, yet.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Makes sense

I don’t think we mix and match the boosters for kids, do we?

Boosters are for very specific patient groups, majority do not qualify.

Sorry, I meant for the routine childhood vaccinations. I wasn’t very clear. Do we mix brands for them? I’m just curious why you would do it for this one if it’s not a usual vaccination thing.

And yes, I knew the boosters are very specific, but I doubt the general public has really understood that at this stage. The pollies are spruiking it as if it’s everyone.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I don’t think we mix and match the boosters for kids, do we?

Boosters are for very specific patient groups, majority do not qualify.

Sorry, I meant for the routine childhood vaccinations. I wasn’t very clear. Do we mix brands for them? I’m just curious why you would do it for this one if it’s not a usual vaccination thing.

And yes, I knew the boosters are very specific, but I doubt the general public has really understood that at this stage. The pollies are spruiking it as if it’s everyone.

They’ve done studies of mixing and matching which companies never usually do as it wouldn’t be worthwhile – here use mine then use our competitors…

We’ve probably discussed this before.

How do people without medicare get vaccinated in this country?
I had to hand over my medicare card in order to get vaccinated.

buffy

for the routine childhood vaccinations. I wasn’t very clear. Do we mix brands for them? I’m just curious

[/quote said:

just asking questions hey

imagine a new pandemic, uncharted territory, and then trying to do things the same way as always before

mollwollfumble said:

We’ve probably discussed this before.

How do people without medicare get vaccinated in this country?
I had to hand over my medicare card in order to get vaccinated.

Easily. There’s a special Medicare number you can use and the online registry uses dob and name to match vax status . I can’t delete that so there it is ==> do

SCIENCE said:

buffy

for the routine childhood vaccinations. I wasn’t very clear. Do we mix brands for them? I’m just curious

[/quote said:

just asking questions hey

imagine a new pandemic, uncharted territory, and then trying to do things the same way as always before

The basics of vaccination are exactly the same. It’s just a new virus.

mollwollfumble said:

… people without medicare … in this country?

Does such a thing exist?

poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

We’ve probably discussed this before.

How do people without medicare get vaccinated in this country?
I had to hand over my medicare card in order to get vaccinated.

Easily. There’s a special Medicare number you can use and the online registry uses dob and name to match vax status . I can’t delete that so there it is ==> do

Does it cost them ?

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

… people without medicare … in this country?

Does such a thing exist?

Yes, quite a few in fact.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

… people without medicare … in this country?

Does such a thing exist?

Overseas tourists that are stuck here perhaps

Cymek said:

poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

We’ve probably discussed this before.

How do people without medicare get vaccinated in this country?
I had to hand over my medicare card in order to get vaccinated.

Easily. There’s a special Medicare number you can use and the online registry uses dob and name to match vax status . I can’t delete that so there it is ==> do

Does it cost them ?

No.

Cymek said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

… people without medicare … in this country?

Does such a thing exist?

Overseas tourists that are stuck here perhaps

Not always. People awaiting PRs, visa holders from a non reciprocal country etc

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

for the routine childhood vaccinations. I wasn’t very clear. Do we mix brands for them? I’m just curious

just asking questions hey

imagine a new pandemic, uncharted territory, and then trying to do things the same way as always before

The basics of vaccination are exactly the same. It’s just a new virus.

is caring about brands the same

SCIENCE said:

That will not sit well with Buffy…

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy

Arts said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

that’s what I said.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

Ta.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

As the text says, smakmottagningar (smacking sense into them).

Boris said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

that’s what I said.

eventually

Arts said:

Boris said:

Arts said:

cognitive behavioural therapy.

that’s what I said.

eventually

I have a handicap, age.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

sibeen said:

What is CBT?

cognitive behavioural therapy.

Ta.

no worries

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

cognitive behavioural therapy.

Ta.

no worries

thanks for backing up

Laugh Out Loud These Pipe Dreamers

Finally A Right Wing Nut Job With Conservative Intellect

https://flux.community/jacob-gardenswartz/2021/10/after-opposing-jobless-benefits-citizens-gop-leaders-now-favor-them

Last spring, just weeks before a deadly surge of coronavirus delta variant cases rocked his state, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s joined several other Republican leaders across the country in ending federal pandemic-related unemployment benefits for out-of-work Floridians.

Now five months and over 21,000 COVID deaths later, DeSantis has proposed an expansion of unemployment benefits, but for a unique group: Floridians fired from their jobs for refusing to get vaccinated.

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud These Pipe Dreamers

Sporadic outbreaks are still occurring in China even with ultra stringent measures to suppress Covid. I don’t know how more could be done for a real zero Covid.

SCIENCE said:

Finally A Right Wing Nut Job With Conservative Intellect

https://flux.community/jacob-gardenswartz/2021/10/after-opposing-jobless-benefits-citizens-gop-leaders-now-favor-them

Last spring, just weeks before a deadly surge of coronavirus delta variant cases rocked his state, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s joined several other Republican leaders across the country in ending federal pandemic-related unemployment benefits for out-of-work Floridians.

Now five months and over 21,000 COVID deaths later, DeSantis has proposed an expansion of unemployment benefits, but for a unique group: Floridians fired from their jobs for refusing to get vaccinated.

Oh Gourd!

I’m getting so sick of reading about all these numpties.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud These Pipe Dreamers

Sporadic outbreaks are still occurring in China even with ultra stringent measures to suppress Covid. I don’t know how more could be done for a real zero Covid.

are they a richer more wealthy country

oh wait this part of the UK is

also, we’ve already specified what little needs to be done to achieve R < 1 which inevitably* leads to endemicity** with an incidence of zero

*: except arseholes insist on trying to push it up again the moment it looks good

**: in this post, defined as a constant level of infection

here are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Finally A Right Wing Nut Job With Conservative Intellect

https://flux.community/jacob-gardenswartz/2021/10/after-opposing-jobless-benefits-citizens-gop-leaders-now-favor-them

Last spring, just weeks before a deadly surge of coronavirus delta variant cases rocked his state, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s joined several other Republican leaders across the country in ending federal pandemic-related unemployment benefits for out-of-work Floridians.

Now five months and over 21,000 COVID deaths later, DeSantis has proposed an expansion of unemployment benefits, but for a unique group: Floridians fired from their jobs for refusing to get vaccinated.

Oh Gourd!

I’m getting so sick of reading about all these numpties.

Is this the same fuckwit that wanted the US to invade Australia because our Covid numbers are too low?

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Finally A Right Wing Nut Job With Conservative Intellect

https://flux.community/jacob-gardenswartz/2021/10/after-opposing-jobless-benefits-citizens-gop-leaders-now-favor-them

I’m getting so sick of reading about all these numpties.

we apologise

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud These Pipe Dreamers

Sporadic outbreaks are still occurring in China even with ultra stringent measures to suppress Covid. I don’t know how more could be done for a real zero Covid.

are they a richer more wealthy country

oh wait this part of the UK is

also, we’ve already specified what little needs to be done to achieve R < 1 which inevitably* leads to endemicity** with an incidence of zero

*: except arseholes insist on trying to push it up again the moment it looks good

**: in this post, defined as a constant level of infection

here are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside
   

If it was that easy someone would be able to manage to actually pull it off surely?

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud These Pipe Dreamers

Sporadic outbreaks are still occurring in China even with ultra stringent measures to suppress Covid. I don’t know how more could be done for a real zero Covid.

are they a richer more wealthy country

oh wait this part of the UK is

anyway if we like mainlanding then here, these Indian CHINA apologists are probably propagandising like potemkin

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/flights-cancelled-schools-closed-as-china-fights-covid-19-outbreak-1867733-2021-10-22

Authorities in China cancelled hundreds of flights, closed schools and ramped up mass testing on Thursday to try and stamp out a new Covid-19 outbreak linked to a group of tourists. Domestic outbreaks have largely been eliminated, but as China logged a fifth straight day of new cases — mostly in northern and northwestern areas — authorities beefed up coronavirus controls.

The latest outbreak was linked to an elderly couple who were in a group of several tourists. Dozens of cases have since been linked to their travel, with close contacts in at least five provinces and regions, including the capital Beijing. In response, local governments have rolled out mass testing and closed scenic spots and tourist sites, schools and entertainment venues in affected areas, and also imposed targeted lockdowns of housing compounds.

wait they had flights, open schools, tourism, entertainment and unlocked housing ¿¡ damn imagine a communist country with more freedoms than NSWuhan ¡ or even Chairman Dan’s Police State of victory

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

here are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside
   

If it was that easy someone would be able to manage to actually pull it off surely?

sure

tell us about the massive outbreaks due to local transmission between triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Finally A Right Wing Nut Job With Conservative Intellect

https://flux.community/jacob-gardenswartz/2021/10/after-opposing-jobless-benefits-citizens-gop-leaders-now-favor-them

Last spring, just weeks before a deadly surge of coronavirus delta variant cases rocked his state, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s joined several other Republican leaders across the country in ending federal pandemic-related unemployment benefits for out-of-work Floridians.

Now five months and over 21,000 COVID deaths later, DeSantis has proposed an expansion of unemployment benefits, but for a unique group: Floridians fired from their jobs for refusing to get vaccinated.

Oh Gourd!

I’m getting so sick of reading about all these numpties.

Is this the same fuckwit that wanted the US to invade Australia because our Covid numbers are too low?

DeSantis, or as he is commonly known locally, DeathSentence, has avoided all attempts at assisting his people, and appears to want them to all die. He is a pretend orange turd… I mean he is a wannabe trump. He has no idea of what a leader is suppose to do, and I’m guessing that he is off his face on cocaine every day.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

here are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside
   

If it was that easy someone would be able to manage to actually pull it off surely?

sure

tell us about the massive outbreaks due to local transmission between triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

Define massive.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

If it was that easy someone would be able to manage to actually pull it off surely?

sure

tell us about the massive outbreaks due to local transmission between triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

Define massive.

R > 1

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

sure

tell us about the massive outbreaks due to local transmission between triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

Define massive.

R > 1

I don’t know if there is enough information shared with the media to either confirm or rebut this.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Define massive.

R > 1

I don’t know if there is enough information shared with the media to either confirm or rebut this.

¿ uh you mean you know but won’t tell us, or you can’t gather from the media any more than we can as in there haven’t been any reported ?

fine then we’ll make it easier, we’ll settle for massive outbreaks due to local transmission from any source to triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

as in, at least in the Delta Wave Can’t Get Zero places like NSWuhan / CDPS / Auckland, surely all those COVIDs in hospital are infectious and staff would be getting sick en masse if they were unprotected

¿ unless what, do they stick the ECMO or the breathing tube in every single admitted patient to close off the infectious orifices ?

(but then what about the people doing the sticking, wouldn’t they still be exposed and getting sick en masse)

((or is robotic medicine at a new amazing level we haven’t heard about in the media either))

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

R > 1

I don’t know if there is enough information shared with the media to either confirm or rebut this.

¿ uh you mean you know but won’t tell us, or you can’t gather from the media any more than we can as in there haven’t been any reported ?

fine then we’ll make it easier, we’ll settle for massive outbreaks due to local transmission from any source to triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

as in, at least in the Delta Wave Can’t Get Zero places like NSWuhan / CDPS / Auckland, surely all those COVIDs in hospital are infectious and staff would be getting sick en masse if they were unprotected

¿ unless what, do they stick the ECMO or the breathing tube in every single admitted patient to close off the infectious orifices ?

(but then what about the people doing the sticking, wouldn’t they still be exposed and getting sick en masse)

((or is robotic medicine at a new amazing level we haven’t heard about in the media either))

Oh dear…

also off to the side some other interesting, speaking of immune evasion we now have purported test evasion

but remember, the Three Component Extinction strategy does not rely on testing at all, its weakness is human stupidity / malice

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I don’t know if there is enough information shared with the media to either confirm or rebut this.

¿ uh you mean you know but won’t tell us, or you can’t gather from the media any more than we can as in there haven’t been any reported ?

fine then we’ll make it easier, we’ll settle for massive outbreaks due to local transmission from any source to triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

as in, at least in the Delta Wave Can’t Get Zero places like NSWuhan / CDPS / Auckland, surely all those COVIDs in hospital are infectious and staff would be getting sick en masse if they were unprotected

¿ unless what, do they stick the ECMO or the breathing tube in every single admitted patient to close off the infectious orifices ?

(but then what about the people doing the sticking, wouldn’t they still be exposed and getting sick en masse)

((or is robotic medicine at a new amazing level we haven’t heard about in the media either))

Oh dear…

So are staff getting sick en masse or are they not¿

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

¿ uh you mean you know but won’t tell us, or you can’t gather from the media any more than we can as in there haven’t been any reported ?

fine then we’ll make it easier, we’ll settle for massive outbreaks due to local transmission from any source to triplevaxxed (or even dublvaxt) staff wearing N95+ in Australian New Zealand hospitals

as in, at least in the Delta Wave Can’t Get Zero places like NSWuhan / CDPS / Auckland, surely all those COVIDs in hospital are infectious and staff would be getting sick en masse if they were unprotected

¿ unless what, do they stick the ECMO or the breathing tube in every single admitted patient to close off the infectious orifices ?

(but then what about the people doing the sticking, wouldn’t they still be exposed and getting sick en masse)

((or is robotic medicine at a new amazing level we haven’t heard about in the media either))

Oh dear…

So are staff getting sick en masse or are they not¿

No they are not but can hospital settings be replicated in the community successfully?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Oh dear…

So are staff getting sick en masse or are they not¿

No they are not but can hospital settings be replicated in the community successfully?

Your question is “can” and the answer is “yes” but if the question is “will they” then here’s the mainland.

Apparently democracy works¡

Regardless as you know all we said was

what little needs to be done to achieve R < 1 are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside

none of which require a hospital at all.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

So are staff getting sick en masse or are they not¿

No they are not but can hospital settings be replicated in the community successfully?

Your question is “can” and the answer is “yes” but if the question is “will they” then here’s the mainland.

Apparently democracy works¡

Regardless as you know all we said was

what little needs to be done to achieve R < 1 are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside

none of which require a hospital at all.

We’re back to where we started. China is engaged in whackamole every other week in trying to suppress Covid. It’s not a sustainable approach for the long term.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

That will not sit well with Buffy…

Strangely, I’ve known about post viral sydrome for many years…

And as Witty is obviously hanging out for a Sweden Stalk, they have dropped another spot down the deaths per million chart to number 53 in the last few days as Ukraine and then South Africa overtook them. Iran is coming up very close behind them now. Then they will probably sit at 54 for a while.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And they aren’t killing people off very efficiently at all now, what with leveling out the daily case numbers and having low death numbers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

what little needs to be done to achieve R < 1 are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside

We’re back to where we started. China is engaged in whackamole every other week in trying to suppress Covid. It’s not a sustainable approach for the long term.

Well no shit. The whole saga was about getting back to where we started: normal life when we didn’t have a SARS-CoV-2 to worry about.

You’re absolutely correct that CHINA is engaged in whackamole every other week, and that trying to suppress Covid is not sustainable long term. That’s why they use localised measures and eliminate the virus, so they can Carrie Lam on sustainably.

Other cuntries are also engaged in cyclical stupidity, only these cycles affect massive regions and last months. Again, we completely agree, it’s not sustainable long term. That’s why the earlier people get their shit together and eliminate the virus, the shorter term it has to be sustained for.

buffy said:

And as Witty is obviously hanging out for a Sweden Stalk, they have dropped another spot down the deaths per million chart to number 53 in the last few days as Ukraine and then South Africa overtook them. Iran is coming up very close behind them now. Then they will probably sit at 54 for a while.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And they aren’t killing people off very efficiently at all now, what with leveling out the daily case numbers and having low death numbers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Now Do Excess

Oh, and I missed this last week. Sweden is reducing its testing requirements for people to go back to work after an infection if they are double vaxxed.

https://www.thelocal.se/20211014/new-swedish-covid-19-guidelines-from-november-no-tests-for-double-vaccinated/

Disclaimer: not our experiment.
Disclaimer: we haven’t tried to reproduce the experiment in our backyard either.

Also everyone knows that bacteria aren’t viruses so please completely disregard any information derived from the image.

buffy said:

Oh, and I missed this last week. Sweden is reducing its testing requirements for people to go back to work after an infection if they are double vaxxed.

https://www.thelocal.se/20211014/new-swedish-covid-19-guidelines-from-november-no-tests-for-double-vaccinated/

Soon Nobody Will Die From Or With Confirmed COVID-19 Ever Again

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

what little needs to be done to achieve R < 1 are the literally 3 things you need

1. triplevax
2. N95+
3. if not 1 AND 2 then stay outside and stay 2 m away from other people even while outside

We’re back to where we started. China is engaged in whackamole every other week in trying to suppress Covid. It’s not a sustainable approach for the long term.

Well no shit. The whole saga was about getting back to where we started: normal life when we didn’t have a SARS-CoV-2 to worry about.

You’re absolutely correct that CHINA is engaged in whackamole every other week, and that trying to suppress Covid is not sustainable long term. That’s why they use localised measures and eliminate the virus, so they can Carrie Lam on sustainably.

Other cuntries are also engaged in cyclical stupidity, only these cycles affect massive regions and last months. Again, we completely agree, it’s not sustainable long term. That’s why the earlier people get their shit together and eliminate the virus, the shorter term it has to be sustained for.

Do you honest;y think we can eliminate the virus?

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

And as Witty is obviously hanging out for a Sweden Stalk, they have dropped another spot down the deaths per million chart to number 53 in the last few days as Ukraine and then South Africa overtook them. Iran is coming up very close behind them now. Then they will probably sit at 54 for a while.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And they aren’t killing people off very efficiently at all now, what with leveling out the daily case numbers and having low death numbers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Now Do Excess

You can put Sweden onto the graph at Our World in Data of deaths from all causes, and their excess deaths have been back down near 0% since early this year, with Feb 21 to May 2 being negative. They had another period of no excess deaths from July 5 to October 25 2020, also with some negative.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We’re back to where we started. China is engaged in whackamole every other week in trying to suppress Covid. It’s not a sustainable approach for the long term.

The whole saga was about getting back to where we started: normal life when we didn’t have a SARS-CoV-2 to worry about.

That’s why the earlier people get their shit together and eliminate the virus, the shorter term it has to be sustained for.

Do you honest;y think we can eliminate the virus?

We honestly hold the position that whether a cuntry pushes R below 1 or not is a choice that is available.

Whether this or any specific other cuntry makes the correct choice, is not part of our claim.

But the choice is still there.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

The whole saga was about getting back to where we started: normal life when we didn’t have a SARS-CoV-2 to worry about.

That’s why the earlier people get their shit together and eliminate the virus, the shorter term it has to be sustained for.

Do you honest;y think we can eliminate the virus?

We honestly hold the position that whether a cuntry pushes R below 1 or not is a choice that is available.

Whether this or any specific other cuntry makes the correct choice, is not part of our claim.

But the choice is still there.

Who decides what is the ‘correct’ choice?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Do you honest;y think we can eliminate the virus?

We honestly hold the position that whether a cuntry pushes R below 1 or not is a choice that is available.

Whether this or any specific other cuntry makes the correct choice, is not part of our claim.

But the choice is still there.

Who decides what is the ‘correct’ choice?

You. You agreed that killing off economic productive units is longtermunsustainable. Therefore the sooner we reach a sustainable steady state, the more correct it is.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

We honestly hold the position that whether a cuntry pushes R below 1 or not is a choice that is available.

Whether this or any specific other cuntry makes the correct choice, is not part of our claim.

But the choice is still there.

Who decides what is the ‘correct’ choice?

You. You agreed that killing off economic productive units is longtermunsustainable. Therefore the sooner we reach a sustainable steady state, the more correct it is.

Ummm no…

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Who decides what is the ‘correct’ choice?

You. You agreed that killing off economic productive units is longtermunsustainable. Therefore the sooner we reach a sustainable steady state, the more correct it is.

Ummm no…

So we should be killing economic productive units, or we should not reach a steady state ¿

anyway it’s been a pleasure we may take some increasing time off but while Chris Whitty carries on with the flock immunity drive here’s one for mollwollfumble it’s called

Covid Virion of Spikes – We Believe

Fly blindly through the night and sell out in Wuhan
Don’t ask any questions and don’t try to understand
Open up your borders and then open up your mask
And you will see that you and we aren’t very far apart
‘Cause we believe that COVID’s forever
We believe that COVID finds a way

Virus is spread worldwide and nobody’s on the street
We give shots to children now , oh why can’t we be free?
They just want us to eliminate this plague with a lockdown from today
Socialists gave us paid leave now so that makes it okay
But we believe that COVID’s forever
We believe that COVID finds a way
We believe that COVID’s forever
We believe that COVID finds a way

We’ve been smelling lesser now, for a little over a year
Students have never been so happy, but parents live in fear
That one day kiddies gonna find out they caught CoV
Like a niggle or a sneeze
We hoped ‘e would lose it soon, but ‘e still has a wheeze
Cuz ‘e believes long COVID is the truth
The doctor understands
Please see h’ as a person, not just some death stats
‘Cause we believe that COVID’s forever
We believe that COVID finds a way
We believe, we believe, we believe, we believe that COVID’s forever
We believe that COVID finds a way
COVID finds a way
COVID finds a way
COVID finds a way

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

You. You agreed that killing off economic productive units is longtermunsustainable. Therefore the sooner we reach a sustainable steady state, the more correct it is.

Ummm no…

So we should be killing economic productive units, or we should not reach a steady state ¿

No. What is unsustainable is continual lockdowns once a sufficient percentage of the population has been double vaccinated. That is not to say all countries should follows the UK example but then neither should they emulate the PRC.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ummm no…

So we should be killing economic productive units, or we should not reach a steady state ¿

No. What is unsustainable is continual lockdowns once a sufficient percentage of the population has been double vaccinated. That is not to say all countries should follows the UK example but then neither should they emulate the PRC.

So you are saying there are reasonable options in between two extremes?

How can this be?

VIC: 1,510 new cases, 4 deaths

24,715 active cases.

234 deaths in current Delta outbreak.

55,679 tests.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100567934

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,510 new cases, 4 deaths

24,715 active cases.

234 deaths in current Delta outbreak.

55,679 tests.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100567934

NSW: 282 new local cases

71,352 tests

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ummm no…

So we should be killing economic productive units, or we should not reach a steady state ¿

No. What is unsustainable is continual lockdowns once a sufficient percentage of the population has been double vaccinated. That is not to say all countries should follows the UK example but then neither should they emulate the PRC.

Thanks, we are pleased to report that despite h’ starting with a negative, we entirely agree with Chris Whitty here ^. Continual lockdown is unsustainable, even when the sufficient fraction of population quintuple vaccinated is zero (0). The obvious and natural conclusion is that viral extinction must occur, or there will be more virus, and threat of viral disease.

Specifically, we also agree that there should be no following examples or emulating, far western island dUKs who happily sacrifice their young or far eastern island democracies who actually try to keep their population alive. What there is, is countries that have taken on various approaches, and the correct approach will prevent lockdown due to SARS-CoV-2 forever, by preventing SARS-CoV-2 forever. We should take a strategy that prevents economic damage, by preventing economic damage.

In summary, we agree.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

so Freedom™ really does reduce positive test result counts

and yet again See ¡ With Freedom® comes even better pandemic control ¡ WTF* laugh out loud

VIC: 1,510 new cases, 4 deaths

24,715 active cases.

234 deaths in current Delta outbreak.

55,679 tests.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine/100567934

NSW: 282 new local cases

71,352 tests

this Freedom™® really does seem to be doing a good job of suppressing cases

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

So we should be killing economic productive units, or we should not reach a steady state ¿

No. What is unsustainable is continual lockdowns once a sufficient percentage of the population has been double vaccinated. That is not to say all countries should follows the UK example but then neither should they emulate the PRC.

So you are saying there are reasonable options in between two extremes?

How can this be?

It can be the fallacious argument to moderation¡

(Note of course that neither dUK nor WT are extremes¡)

CDPS Executes Power Grab Shifting Command From Medical Experts To Politicians

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/victorian-premier-parliament-lockdown-pandemic-covid/100567664

Under the new laws, the Minister for Health would sign off on public health orders, rather than the Chief Health Officer, providing the Health Minister with “broad power” to make orders where reasonably necessary to protect public health.

A summary of the bill seen by the ABC reveals the Premier would be given the power to make pandemic declarations and extend them for “three months at a time, with no outer limit on the total duration of a declaration”.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

No. What is unsustainable is continual lockdowns once a sufficient percentage of the population has been double vaccinated. That is not to say all countries should follows the UK example but then neither should they emulate the PRC.

So you are saying there are reasonable options in between two extremes?

How can this be?

It can be the fallacious argument to moderation¡

(Note of course that neither dUK nor WT are extremes¡)

Except you fail to acknowledge that you’re advocating the epitome of an extreme position.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So you are saying there are reasonable options in between two extremes?

How can this be?

It can be the fallacious argument to moderation¡

(Note of course that neither dUK nor WT are extremes¡)

Except you fail to acknowledge that you’re advocating the epitome of an extreme position.

What extreme position is that ¿

hahahahahahahaha look what this vaccine does to your fertility hahahahaha oh wait is that the Natural Vaccine™ they are talking about oh shit

Charlie¿ Charles¿ Is that you¿

For The Economy Must Grow ¡

SCIENCE said:

For The Economy Must Grow ¡

Alt.Headline: fair call.

This chart purportedly demonstrates that vaccination after illness has a small but measurable effect on the chronic disease.

Unwritten but worth noting is that the amount of chronic disease is seemingly quite well quantified (see confidence intervals) despite being “modelled”. The 8 to 12% bit probably isn’t as much of a concern (though we’d like to keep our sense of smell, thanks) but you all should probably pay attention to the 4 to 6% part.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

It can be the fallacious argument to moderation¡

(Note of course that neither dUK nor WT are extremes¡)

Except you fail to acknowledge that you’re advocating the epitome of an extreme position.

What extreme position is that ¿

That eliminating the virus is possible globally if only everyone would follow your three simple rules.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Except you fail to acknowledge that you’re advocating the epitome of an extreme position.

What extreme position is that ¿

That eliminating the virus is possible globally if only everyone would follow your three simple rules.

You’re right, that does seem extremely conservative.

Our far more moderate position is that eliminating the virus is inevitable globally, if enough people took enough infection control measures to make R = 0.999999999999999999999 instead of R >= 1!.

Preventing Disease Won’t Expose Teenagers To The Hardships That Make Them Better Adults

Findings In this case series of 3 pediatric patients with subacute neuropsychiatric impairment, 2 had intrathecal anti–SARS-CoV-2 antibodies as well as intrathecal antineural antibodies. Anti–transcription factor 4 (TCF4) autoantibodies in one patient who responded to immunotherapy were validated.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/2785032

Don’t worry, it’s good news, it’s treatable*¡ Let It Rip®¡

Pediatric patients with COVID-19 and prominent subacute neuropsychiatric symptoms, ranging from severe anxiety to delusional psychosis, may have anti–SARS-CoV-2 and antineural antibodies in their CSF and may respond to immunotherapy.

*: “may respond”

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

What extreme position is that ¿

That eliminating the virus is possible globally if only everyone would follow your three simple rules.

You’re right, that does seem extremely conservative.

Our far more moderate position is that eliminating the virus is inevitable globally, if enough people took enough infection control measures to make R = 0.999999999999999999999 instead of R >= 1!.

i’d expect the probability of elimination is zero globally given the various investments in its persistence

apart from the more obvious examples of that, there is also the highly ‘adaptive’ dimension of democracy-and-capitalism (in a fluctuating order of influence) that very much work to make whatever background the ‘natural’ environment

transition said:

given the various investments in its persistence

indeed, what Chris above conveniently glossed over was our reminder that R = 0.999 versus R >= 1 is a choice, but hey, why give people responsibility when we can point at extremists

speaking of investments in persistence here’s another lying expert nobody should listen to

“do we want the pandemic to continue”

obviously the undemocratic are voting yes

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That eliminating the virus is possible globally if only everyone would follow your three simple rules.

You’re right, that does seem extremely conservative.

Our far more moderate position is that eliminating the virus is inevitable globally, if enough people took enough infection control measures to make R = 0.999999999999999999999 instead of R >= 1!.

i’d expect the probability of elimination is zero globally given the various investments in its persistence

apart from the more obvious examples of that, there is also the highly ‘adaptive’ dimension of democracy-and-capitalism (in a fluctuating order of influence) that very much work to make whatever background the ‘natural’ environment

might add, part of that adaptation presently, resolving it as natural, involved accommodating a further trajectory of overpopulation, because there is money to be made in that trajectory, expanding markets

transition said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

You’re right, that does seem extremely conservative.

Our far more moderate position is that eliminating the virus is inevitable globally, if enough people took enough infection control measures to make R = 0.999999999999999999999 instead of R >= 1!.

i’d expect the probability of elimination is zero globally given the various investments in its persistence

apart from the more obvious examples of that, there is also the highly ‘adaptive’ dimension of democracy-and-capitalism (in a fluctuating order of influence) that very much work to make whatever background the ‘natural’ environment

might add, part of that adaptation presently, resolving it as natural, involved accommodating a further trajectory of overpopulation, because there is money to be made in that trajectory, expanding markets

On a personal note.
Had my second AZ jab yesterday with zero side effects.
Booked for a Pf booster 29/12/21

vaccinations are the only way to get to some normalcy that’ll work. mask etc just won’t be acceptable as a long term measure. living in WA we have been lucky as far as lockdowns go. i see people still not logging in with the SafeWA app nor using hand sanitiser. There is no conspiracy to keep the virus going as some would have because it makes money for someone. it will circulate, mutate and we’ll get a shot every year or so. some people will get sick, some die.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2021/10/25/nsw-nurse-vax-challenge/

A nurse at a northern NSW hospital has had her challenge to the COVID-19 vaccine mandate for the state’s health workers dismissed.

Danielle Davis, who works at Ballina hospital’s rehabilitation ward, sought a review in the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of the order and a letter telling her she could not continue working unless she had one vaccination by September 30 and the second by November 30.

Her application for a stay on the minister’s public health order and Northern NSW Local Health District’s letter was rejected earlier.

In seeking a review, she listed grounds including the rules of natural justice being breached, an error in law and there being no evidence or other material to justify the vaccination decision.

In its decision released on Monday, the tribunal pointed out Ms Davis’ challenge to the public health order’s legal validity had already been determined by the Supreme Court in its findings against Sydney construction worker Al-Munir Kassam, Byron Bay aged care worker Natasha Henry and others.

The tribunal said the administrative review jurisdiction conferred on it by the Public Health Act did not enable it to review the making of the public health order or the giving of directions by that order.

The tribunal also concluded it did not have jurisdiction to administratively review the NNSWLHD’s conduct in ensuring its workers complied with the order.

“The appropriate course is to dismiss the application,” the tribunal said.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/26/inside-melbournes-park-hotel-refugees-sit-and-wait-for-covid-to-find-them

Boris said:

vaccinations are the only way to get to some normalcy that’ll work. mask etc just won’t be acceptable as a long term measure. living in WA we have been lucky as far as lockdowns go. i see people still not logging in with the SafeWA app nor using hand sanitiser. There is no conspiracy to keep the virus going as some would have because it makes money for someone. it will circulate, mutate and we’ll get a shot every year or so. some people will get sick, some die.

That’s what some argue but make it 2 shots every year, acceptable is a choice, true that WA lack of lockdown is pretty sustainable, also we’d agree with the rest:that zero community transmission means need for logging in is low, hand sanitiser won’t stop airborne transmission (masks, again), there is no conspiracy just common tragedy, it will circulate mutate get shot sick die and then again if the choice is to keep R = 0.999999 then it will inevitably be erandemicated.

more evidence for laboratory leakage of bioweapon

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04130-w

Boris said:

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2021/10/25/nsw-nurse-vax-challenge/

A nurse at a northern NSW hospital has had her challenge to the COVID-19 vaccine mandate for the state’s health workers dismissed.

Danielle Davis, who works at Ballina hospital’s rehabilitation ward, sought a review in the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of the order and a letter telling her she could not continue working unless she had one vaccination by September 30 and the second by November 30.

Her application for a stay on the minister’s public health order and Northern NSW Local Health District’s letter was rejected earlier.

In seeking a review, she listed grounds including the rules of natural justice being breached, an error in law and there being no evidence or other material to justify the vaccination decision.

In its decision released on Monday, the tribunal pointed out Ms Davis’ challenge to the public health order’s legal validity had already been determined by the Supreme Court in its findings against Sydney construction worker Al-Munir Kassam, Byron Bay aged care worker Natasha Henry and others.

The tribunal said the administrative review jurisdiction conferred on it by the Public Health Act did not enable it to review the making of the public health order or the giving of directions by that order.

The tribunal also concluded it did not have jurisdiction to administratively review the NNSWLHD’s conduct in ensuring its workers complied with the order.

“The appropriate course is to dismiss the application,” the tribunal said.

Good!

Morning Covideers.
Remember our little song boys and girls, remember how it goes.
c_o_v……c_o_v…… c_o_v_i_d, covideers covideers

not expert please ignore

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/when-spanish-flu-hit-australian-shores-nt-ss-mataram-covid/100517650

SCIENCE said:

not expert please ignore

OK.

Boris said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/when-spanish-flu-hit-australian-shores-nt-ss-mataram-covid/100517650

The more things change…………..

When do you reckon Covid will die down and life return to its SNAFU normality worldwide, end of next year ?

SCIENCE said:

hahahahahahahaha look what this vaccine does to your fertility hahahahaha oh wait is that the Natural Vaccine™ they are talking about oh shit

Charlie¿ Charles¿ Is that you¿

Laugh Out Loud

(not really COVID-19 but hey)

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/donovanosis-flesheating-sti-on-the-rise-in-the-uk/news-story/dc85245d45af8c81edc786004765e1d5

Cymek said:

When do you reckon Covid will die down and life return to its SNAFU normality worldwide, end of next year ?

don’t worry hyperinflation will happen first and then some fascist country will start a war in 15 years or so

QLD: two new local cases, no deaths.

The first is an unvaccinated 17-year-old from the Gold Coast who presented to the Gold Coast University Hospital with a headache.

He is a close contact of someone who travelled from NSW and investigations are underway in to how that person arrived in to Queensland.

The second case is a woman in her 30s from Melbourne who was detected in home quarantine and is considered low risk.

A third person – a truck driver from Gympie – has tested positive in NSW and is counted in that state’s figures.

The truck driver travelled to Bundaberg and a list of contract tracing sites will be advised.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100567934

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/qld-coronavirus-covid-cases-home-quarantine-community/100551264

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

When do you reckon Covid will die down and life return to its SNAFU normality worldwide, end of next year ?

don’t worry hyperinflation will happen first and then some fascist country will start a war in 15 years or so

I reckon so, skirmish with China over disputed territory (they aren’t fascist but reasonably close)

Michael V said:

QLD: two new local cases, no deaths.

The first is an unvaccinated 17-year-old from the Gold Coast who presented to the Gold Coast University Hospital with a headache.

He is a close contact of someone who travelled from NSW and investigations are underway in to how that person arrived in to Queensland.

The second case is a woman in her 30s from Melbourne who was detected in home quarantine and is considered low risk.

A third person – a truck driver from Gympie – has tested positive in NSW and is counted in that state’s figures.

The truck driver travelled to Bundaberg and a list of contract tracing sites will be advised.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100567934

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/qld-coronavirus-covid-cases-home-quarantine-community/100551264

These positive cases never seem to “The person in question went straight home and watched Netflix and played video games and had zero contact with anyone except their cat”

The Economy Must Grow

https://cfjctoday.com/2021/10/21/covid-19-cases-continue-to-spread-from-blue-grotto-concert-owner-will-close-for-a-few-days/

COVID-19 cases continue to spread from a concert on Thursday, Oct. 14 at the Blue Grotto Nightclub in downtown Kamloops.

“It’s about just keeping the community safe and and keeping the hospitals empty like we’re supposed to do,” Blue Grotto Owner David ‘Puppy’ Johnston says.

According to Johnston, everyone who entered the building scanned their vaccine cards. Although as cases from the Oct. 14 event continue to rise, Interior Health has not told him to temporarily shut down.

Johnston says the Blue Grotto has been professionally cleaned and sanitized, but as an added measure, he will close the doors for a few days. He says other businesses should follow suit.

“I think it’s the best thing a business owner can do is jump on this. Be proactive, take the financial hit. Make sure the community’s safe first.”

Johnston feels it might be an indication that the club and event industry is not ready to be at full capacity.

“Let this be a warning to people. Even under the very strictest guidelines that we have been running here at the Blue Grotto, this can happen anywhere – and it’s not cool to not report cases,” he says.

—

nah we need to reopen and keep everything spreading

disclaimer: we do not imply that all states or businesses are charging forward with full capacity

Cymek said:

These positive cases never seem to “The person in question went straight home and watched Netflix and played video games and had zero contact with anyone except their cat”

fair, but those people are unlikely to catch it in the first place

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

These positive cases never seem to “The person in question went straight home and watched Netflix and played video games and had zero contact with anyone except their cat”

fair, but those people are unlikely to catch it in the first place

True

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow

https://cfjctoday.com/2021/10/21/covid-19-cases-continue-to-spread-from-blue-grotto-concert-owner-will-close-for-a-few-days/

COVID-19 cases continue to spread from a concert on Thursday, Oct. 14 at the Blue Grotto Nightclub in downtown Kamloops.

“It’s about just keeping the community safe and and keeping the hospitals empty like we’re supposed to do,” Blue Grotto Owner David ‘Puppy’ Johnston says.

According to Johnston, everyone who entered the building scanned their vaccine cards. Although as cases from the Oct. 14 event continue to rise, Interior Health has not told him to temporarily shut down.

Johnston says the Blue Grotto has been professionally cleaned and sanitized, but as an added measure, he will close the doors for a few days. He says other businesses should follow suit.

“I think it’s the best thing a business owner can do is jump on this. Be proactive, take the financial hit. Make sure the community’s safe first.”

Johnston feels it might be an indication that the club and event industry is not ready to be at full capacity.

“Let this be a warning to people. Even under the very strictest guidelines that we have been running here at the Blue Grotto, this can happen anywhere – and it’s not cool to not report cases,” he says.

—

nah we need to reopen and keep everything spreading

disclaimer: we do not imply that all states or businesses are charging forward with full capacity

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow

https://cfjctoday.com/2021/10/21/covid-19-cases-continue-to-spread-from-blue-grotto-concert-owner-will-close-for-a-few-days/

COVID-19 cases continue to spread from a concert on Thursday, Oct. 14 at the Blue Grotto Nightclub in downtown Kamloops.

“It’s about just keeping the community safe and and keeping the hospitals empty like we’re supposed to do,” Blue Grotto Owner David ‘Puppy’ Johnston says.

According to Johnston, everyone who entered the building scanned their vaccine cards. Although as cases from the Oct. 14 event continue to rise, Interior Health has not told him to temporarily shut down.

Johnston says the Blue Grotto has been professionally cleaned and sanitized, but as an added measure, he will close the doors for a few days. He says other businesses should follow suit.

“I think it’s the best thing a business owner can do is jump on this. Be proactive, take the financial hit. Make sure the community’s safe first.”

Johnston feels it might be an indication that the club and event industry is not ready to be at full capacity.

“Let this be a warning to people. Even under the very strictest guidelines that we have been running here at the Blue Grotto, this can happen anywhere – and it’s not cool to not report cases,” he says.

—

nah we need to reopen and keep everything spreading

disclaimer: we do not imply that all states or businesses are charging forward with full capacity

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow

https://cfjctoday.com/2021/10/21/covid-19-cases-continue-to-spread-from-blue-grotto-concert-owner-will-close-for-a-few-days/

COVID-19 cases continue to spread from a concert on Thursday, Oct. 14 at the Blue Grotto Nightclub in downtown Kamloops.

“It’s about just keeping the community safe and and keeping the hospitals empty like we’re supposed to do,” Blue Grotto Owner David ‘Puppy’ Johnston says.

According to Johnston, everyone who entered the building scanned their vaccine cards. Although as cases from the Oct. 14 event continue to rise, Interior Health has not told him to temporarily shut down.

Johnston says the Blue Grotto has been professionally cleaned and sanitized, but as an added measure, he will close the doors for a few days. He says other businesses should follow suit.

“I think it’s the best thing a business owner can do is jump on this. Be proactive, take the financial hit. Make sure the community’s safe first.”

Johnston feels it might be an indication that the club and event industry is not ready to be at full capacity.

“Let this be a warning to people. Even under the very strictest guidelines that we have been running here at the Blue Grotto, this can happen anywhere – and it’s not cool to not report cases,” he says.

—

nah we need to reopen and keep everything spreading

disclaimer: we do not imply that all states or businesses are charging forward with full capacity

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

No its not close but no cigar

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow

https://cfjctoday.com/2021/10/21/covid-19-cases-continue-to-spread-from-blue-grotto-concert-owner-will-close-for-a-few-days/

COVID-19 cases continue to spread from a concert on Thursday, Oct. 14 at the Blue Grotto Nightclub in downtown Kamloops.

“It’s about just keeping the community safe and and keeping the hospitals empty like we’re supposed to do,” Blue Grotto Owner David ‘Puppy’ Johnston says.

According to Johnston, everyone who entered the building scanned their vaccine cards. Although as cases from the Oct. 14 event continue to rise, Interior Health has not told him to temporarily shut down.

Johnston says the Blue Grotto has been professionally cleaned and sanitized, but as an added measure, he will close the doors for a few days. He says other businesses should follow suit.

“I think it’s the best thing a business owner can do is jump on this. Be proactive, take the financial hit. Make sure the community’s safe first.”

Johnston feels it might be an indication that the club and event industry is not ready to be at full capacity.

“Let this be a warning to people. Even under the very strictest guidelines that we have been running here at the Blue Grotto, this can happen anywhere – and it’s not cool to not report cases,” he says.

—

nah we need to reopen and keep everything spreading

disclaimer: we do not imply that all states or businesses are charging forward with full capacity

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

That sounds a bit cultish.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

That sounds a bit cultish.

There was dancing sir. A lot of dancing.

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

That sounds a bit cultish.

I see what you did there…

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

The Blue Oyster.

That sounds a bit cultish.

There was dancing sir. A lot of dancing.

They were Veterans of the Psychic Wars, just Goin’ Through The Motions.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

That sounds a bit cultish.

There was dancing sir. A lot of dancing.

They were Veterans of the Psychic Wars, just Goin’ Through The Motions.

Like people surfing at Bondi.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow

https://cfjctoday.com/2021/10/21/covid-19-cases-continue-to-spread-from-blue-grotto-concert-owner-will-close-for-a-few-days/

COVID-19 cases continue to spread from a concert on Thursday, Oct. 14 at the Blue Grotto Nightclub in downtown Kamloops.

“It’s about just keeping the community safe and and keeping the hospitals empty like we’re supposed to do,” Blue Grotto Owner David ‘Puppy’ Johnston says.

According to Johnston, everyone who entered the building scanned their vaccine cards. Although as cases from the Oct. 14 event continue to rise, Interior Health has not told him to temporarily shut down.

Johnston says the Blue Grotto has been professionally cleaned and sanitized, but as an added measure, he will close the doors for a few days. He says other businesses should follow suit.

“I think it’s the best thing a business owner can do is jump on this. Be proactive, take the financial hit. Make sure the community’s safe first.”

Johnston feels it might be an indication that the club and event industry is not ready to be at full capacity.

“Let this be a warning to people. Even under the very strictest guidelines that we have been running here at the Blue Grotto, this can happen anywhere – and it’s not cool to not report cases,” he says.

—

nah we need to reopen and keep everything spreading

disclaimer: we do not imply that all states or businesses are charging forward with full capacity

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

We could make a cult rock band out of that: Blue Oyster Cult.

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

We could make a cult rock band out of that: Blue Oyster Cult.

Missed it by that much…

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Was that the name of the gay biker bar in Police Academy

The Blue Oyster.

We could make a cult rock band out of that: Blue Oyster Cult.

Waaay too late.

Back to your usual programming.

furious said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

The Blue Oyster.

We could make a cult rock band out of that: Blue Oyster Cult.

Missed it by that much…

My excuse: I was cutting Mrs V’s hair…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/nsw-covid-85-per-cent-double-dose/100568324

This “not a race” is getting more competitive.

Michael V said:

furious said:

Michael V said:

We could make a cult rock band out of that: Blue Oyster Cult.

Missed it by that much…

My excuse: I was cutting Mrs V’s hair…

Number ones?

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/nsw-covid-85-per-cent-double-dose/100568324

This “not a race” is getting more competitive.

More freedoms on the cards as NSW reaches 85 per cent fully vaccinated

NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has hinted that the date for a further easing of restrictions may be brought forward.

The state has reached a new milestone with 85 per cent of people over 16 now fully vaccinated.

Under the roadmap, more restrictions are due to be lifted on December 1, with those who are not vaccinated having greater freedoms.

But Mr Perrottet has signalled that may now happen earlier.

“We will be looking at aspects of the roadmap at the COVID economic recovery committee this week,” he says.

“The vaccination rates have provided an opportunity to revisit some areas and we will look at that.”

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All sorts of racing going on…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100567934

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

Missed it by that much…

My excuse: I was cutting Mrs V’s hair…

Number ones?

Number two for Mrs V.

Number one for me. I did that the other day.

• More freedoms on the cards as NSW reaches 85 per cent fully vaccinated

More freedoms. Unprecedented freedoms. More free than even before covid. Not only can you go to other peoples houses but you can go to a strangers house when they’re not there and help yourself to their hand sanitiser…

furious said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/nsw-covid-85-per-cent-double-dose/100568324

This “not a race” is getting more competitive.

More freedoms on the cards as NSW reaches 85 per cent fully vaccinated

NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has hinted that the date for a further easing of restrictions may be brought forward. The state has reached a new milestone with 85 per cent of people over 16 now fully vaccinated. Under the roadmap, more restrictions are due to be lifted on December 1, with those who are not vaccinated having greater freedoms. But Mr Perrottet has signalled that may now happen earlier.

———————————————————————
All sorts of racing going on…
———————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100567934

More freedoms. Unprecedented freedoms. More free than even before covid. Not only can you go to other peoples houses but you can go to a strangers house when they’re not there and help yourself to their hand sanitiser…

Indeed, although the Corruption Coalition Mainly Sycophancy Media don’t like to say it, these dribbles of freedom really should be contextualised by comparison with the situation in nearby states that did not let COVID-19 get a foothold, who can’t really “ease restrictions” when they’re already at ease.

But it’s been discussed at length before, the best way to keep people happy is apparently to treat them badly first, and then the relief of ending the bad treatment makes them even happier than the baseline.

Oh all right we don’t necessarily mean to include this part.

When everything opens up it wont be completely back to normal.
If you get covid you’ll still need to isolate as will house hold members and other close contact.
Influenza will continue as usual, completely free to roam around.

Peak Warming Man said:

When everything opens up it wont be completely back to normal.
If you get covid you’ll still need to isolate as will house hold members and other close contact.
Influenza will continue as usual, completely free to roam around.

completely free unless you get vaccinated.

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When everything opens up it wont be completely back to normal.
If you get covid you’ll still need to isolate as will house hold members and other close contact.
Influenza will continue as usual, completely free to roam around.

completely free unless you get vaccinated.

Well yes.
I just checked, John Hopkins estimates the death rate for covid is up to 10 rimes higher than the flu.
That surprised me because my received wisdom was that ~2000 people died each year in Australia from the flu in Aus. We are probably an outlier re covid so I’ll let John’s figures stand for now.

Peak Warming Man said:

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When everything opens up it wont be completely back to normal.
If you get covid you’ll still need to isolate as will house hold members and other close contact.
Influenza will continue as usual, completely free to roam around.

completely free unless you get vaccinated.

Well yes.
I just checked, John Hopkins estimates the death rate for covid is up to 10 rimes higher than the flu.
That surprised me because my received wisdom was that ~2000 people died each year in Australia from the flu in Aus. We are probably an outlier re covid so I’ll let John’s figures stand for now.

Imagine if ones response to Covid affected your standing in the UN

Peak Warming Man said:

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When everything opens up it wont be completely back to normal.
If you get covid you’ll still need to isolate as will house hold members and other close contact.
Influenza will continue as usual, completely free to roam around.

completely free unless you get vaccinated.

Well yes.
I just checked, John Hopkins estimates the death rate for covid is up to 10 rimes higher than the flu.
That surprised me because my received wisdom was that ~2000 people died each year in Australia from the flu in Aus. We are probably an outlier re covid so I’ll let John’s figures stand for now.

I don’t think individual country cases can be really used. maybe if we used the same protocols for controlling the flu as we have for covid then we wouldn’t have 2000 per annum. like what has happened.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/can-my-pet-get-covid-and-do-they-need-a-vaccine-/100568102

Hmm. I wonder if anyone ever asked their vet if they could get a cold from their pet or to get their pet vaccinated against flu or colds…

(Kennel cough can be caused by similar viruses to our cold viruses)

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/can-my-pet-get-covid-and-do-they-need-a-vaccine-/100568102

Hmm. I wonder if anyone ever asked their vet if they could get a cold from their pet or to get their pet vaccinated against flu or colds…

(Kennel cough can be caused by similar viruses to our cold viruses)

imagine having a pet bat

https://www.traveller.com.au/quarantine-hotels-in-australia-industry-calls-for-compensation-after-rooms-left-trashed-h1ze4d

guess they weren’t purpose-built

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/can-my-pet-get-covid-and-do-they-need-a-vaccine-/100568102

Hmm. I wonder if anyone ever asked their vet if they could get a cold from their pet or to get their pet vaccinated against flu or colds…

(Kennel cough can be caused by similar viruses to our cold viruses)

imagine having a pet bat

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/can-my-pet-get-covid-and-do-they-need-a-vaccine-/100568102

Hmm. I wonder if anyone ever asked their vet if they could get a cold from their pet or to get their pet vaccinated against flu or colds…

(Kennel cough can be caused by similar viruses to our cold viruses)

It is an interesting questions, possible best to take precautions

What are some of the animals that are susceptible to COVID-19?
Studies have identified a range of animals —such as cats, ferrets, hamsters, non-human primates, minks, tree shrews, raccoon dogs, fruit bats, and rabbits— that are susceptible and permissive to SARS-CoV-2 infection Some institutions have advised those infected with SARS‑CoV‑2 to restrict contact with animals

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-26/can-my-pet-get-covid-and-do-they-need-a-vaccine-/100568102

Hmm. I wonder if anyone ever asked their vet if they could get a cold from their pet or to get their pet vaccinated against flu or colds…

(Kennel cough can be caused by similar viruses to our cold viruses)

imagine having a pet bat

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine having a pet bat

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

batty, presumably.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine having a pet bat

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

Generally gentle & loving. They come up to be handled & purr like a cat.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

batty, presumably.

Haha quite likely

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

Generally gentle & loving. They come up to be handled & purr like a cat.

Cool, so many animals are like that, probably shouldn’t eat them.

Cymek said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

What type of personality do they have

batty, presumably.

Haha quite likely

It’s funny in a room of bat people when one of the bats decides to have a fly.
A room full full of people with their arms in the air for the bat to land.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

What type of personality do they have

Generally gentle & loving. They come up to be handled & purr like a cat.

Cool, so many animals are like that, probably shouldn’t eat them.

‘s OK I’m not west taiwanese.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

imagine having a pet bat

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

Smelly.

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Had bats for years. Spectacled & Little Reds. One lived well into her 20s.

What type of personality do they have

Smelly.

Little Reds, yes. Spectacled, no.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

Cymek said:

What type of personality do they have

Smelly.

Little Reds, yes. Spectacled, no.

I know nothing of bats but found this little guy when i was clearing out my dads shed after he kicked it. Was in Grenfell NSW

y’a‘l get this feelin’ that there gunabe a whole heap of “but look deaths aren’t rising” real soon

yet

dumb Q

has releasing covid been approved by parliament

Another Conspiracy Theorist Barking Up The Wrong Tories

the linked articles if you’re into that kind of thing
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/11/09/119-million-covid-19-testing-contract-four-month-old-gene-analysis-firm/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/15/dante-labs-dna-testing-company-sent-used-kits-to-some-customers.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/04/tory-linked-firm-involved-in-testing-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract

Are some people genetically resistant to COVID-19?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are some people genetically resistant to COVID-19?

yes

transition said:

dumb Q

has releasing covid been approved by parliament

Struthiotypal inaction needs no approval.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

dumb Q

has releasing covid been approved by parliament

Struthiotypal inaction needs no approval.

What does “Struthiotypal” mean?

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

dumb Q

has releasing covid been approved by parliament

Struthiotypal inaction needs no approval.

What does “Struthiotypal” mean?

Always struck me as weird that the ostrich, rather than the emu, was Struthio

dv said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Struthiotypal inaction needs no approval.

What does “Struthiotypal” mean?

Always struck me as weird that the ostrich, rather than the emu, was Struthio

Ah. I geddit now. Ta.

The WA Premier says Western Australia may close its border to jurisdictions that are planning to ease border restrictions in time for Christmas.

https://scitechdaily.com/online-covid-19-risk-calculator-shows-your-personalized-risk-calculation/

A calculator to help people understand their risk factors for COVID-19 infection and vaccination has been launched by the Immunisation Coalition in collaboration with Australian researchers.

more…

CoRiCal: Covid Risk Calculator
https://corical.immunisationcoalition.org.au/

CoRiCal: Covid Risk Calculator

An upcoming version will include side effects of the Pfizer vaccine (myocarditis and pericarditis).

Future versions will include other conditions such as long COVID and ICU admission, and individual factors such as medical conditions.

Only 4 parameters ?

dv said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Struthiotypal inaction needs no approval.

What does “Struthiotypal” mean?

Always struck me as weird that the ostrich, rather than the emu, was Struthio

Struth!

Looks like we are all to get booster vaxx.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/tga-approves-covid-vaccine-booster-shots-for-over-18-year-olds/100571442

Probably kids will get vaxxed in Aust soon, if this is anything to go by.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fda-advisers-back-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-children/100571348

Calm down, Michael, “it’s not a race”.

(Not until it threatened the second Xmas shopping/holiday bookings season in a row, it wasn’t.)

Michael V said:

Probably kids will get vaxxed in Aust soon, if this is anything to go by.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fda-advisers-back-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-children/100571348

Considering Australia is currently only 61% vaxxed, it’s probably a good idea.

captain_spalding said:

Calm down, Michael, “it’s not a race”.

(Not until it threatened the second Xmas shopping/holiday bookings season in a row, it wasn’t.)

:)

I’m not Scummo.

Michael V said:

Probably kids will get vaxxed in Aust soon, if this is anything to go by.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fda-advisers-back-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-children/100571348

i’d expect it’s been the plan for quite some time, immunize younger and younger, reference studies and approvals elsewhere, any they can, to get the dumb covid-normal bullshit happening, release it basically, get your live virus booster from exposure to circulating covid

also the likelihood is as many as a couple of booster shots each year, depending on vaccine evolution, that’s been in the aether for quite a while also

probably the release of covid isn’t explicitly approved by parliament, whatever the soft-terrorists (my view) overseeing the release won’t mind

VIC: 1,534 new cases. thirteen deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,534 new cases. thirteen deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

NSW: 304 local cases, three deaths.

Over 89,000 tests

QLD: Zero local cases, zero deaths.

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Also:

“As of today it is now illegal to present a fake proof of vaccination when attempting to enter venues in NSW.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard signed off on the amendment to the public order yesterday after concerns about people procuring forged certificates.

• The amendment to the NSW health order states a person must not provide, display or produce information or evidence purporting to show the person is fully vaccinated, unless the information or evidence is true and accurate
• Breaching the health order attracts a maximum penalty of imprisonment for six months and/or a $11,000 fine.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,534 new cases. thirteen deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

NSW: 304 local cases, three deaths.

Over 89,000 tests

QLD: Zero local cases, zero deaths.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Also:

“As of today it is now illegal to present a fake proof of vaccination when attempting to enter venues in NSW.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard signed off on the amendment to the public order yesterday after concerns about people procuring forged certificates.

• The amendment to the NSW health order states a person must not provide, display or produce information or evidence purporting to show the person is fully vaccinated, unless the information or evidence is true and accurate
• Breaching the health order attracts a maximum penalty of imprisonment for six months and/or a $11,000 fine.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

Nobody has asked me for proof of vaccination. They have asked “are you double vaxxed?” I’ve said yes and they’ve said, “go on in”.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,534 new cases. thirteen deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

NSW: 304 local cases, three deaths.

Over 89,000 tests

QLD: Zero local cases, zero deaths.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Also:

“As of today it is now illegal to present a fake proof of vaccination when attempting to enter venues in NSW.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard signed off on the amendment to the public order yesterday after concerns about people procuring forged certificates.

• The amendment to the NSW health order states a person must not provide, display or produce information or evidence purporting to show the person is fully vaccinated, unless the information or evidence is true and accurate
• Breaching the health order attracts a maximum penalty of imprisonment for six months and/or a $11,000 fine.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

Nobody has asked me for proof of vaccination. They have asked “are you double vaxxed?” I’ve said yes and they’ve said, “go on in”.

Depends on what the premises are. IIRC, essential retail (supermarkets and the like) do not need to sight vax certificates in NSW and VIC.

If it i non-essential retail (clothing, furniture and the like), sighting the certificate is mandated.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 304 local cases, three deaths.

Over 89,000 tests

QLD: Zero local cases, zero deaths.

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Also:

“As of today it is now illegal to present a fake proof of vaccination when attempting to enter venues in NSW.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard signed off on the amendment to the public order yesterday after concerns about people procuring forged certificates.

• The amendment to the NSW health order states a person must not provide, display or produce information or evidence purporting to show the person is fully vaccinated, unless the information or evidence is true and accurate
• Breaching the health order attracts a maximum penalty of imprisonment for six months and/or a $11,000 fine.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

Nobody has asked me for proof of vaccination. They have asked “are you double vaxxed?” I’ve said yes and they’ve said, “go on in”.

Depends on what the premises are. IIRC, essential retail (supermarkets and the like) do not need to sight vax certificates in NSW and VIC.

If it i non-essential retail (clothing, furniture and the like), sighting the certificate is mandated.

Ah. I’ve only been doing essential for the past two years. Though, I’m not sure that Repco are essential. Though they had desks across the door, they still let me in without showing proof.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

NSW: 304 local cases, three deaths.

Over 89,000 tests

QLD: Zero local cases, zero deaths.

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Also:

“As of today it is now illegal to present a fake proof of vaccination when attempting to enter venues in NSW.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard signed off on the amendment to the public order yesterday after concerns about people procuring forged certificates.

• The amendment to the NSW health order states a person must not provide, display or produce information or evidence purporting to show the person is fully vaccinated, unless the information or evidence is true and accurate
• Breaching the health order attracts a maximum penalty of imprisonment for six months and/or a $11,000 fine.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100570960

Nobody has asked me for proof of vaccination. They have asked “are you double vaxxed?” I’ve said yes and they’ve said, “go on in”.

Depends on what the premises are. IIRC, essential retail (supermarkets and the like) do not need to sight vax certificates in NSW and VIC.

If it i non-essential retail (clothing, furniture and the like), sighting the certificate is mandated.

We have shown proof for our local bakery and local pub. They are only checking locals once. But basically only for hospitality shops. I don’t think you have to show for general shops though in Victoria unless they choose to ask.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Nobody has asked me for proof of vaccination. They have asked “are you double vaxxed?” I’ve said yes and they’ve said, “go on in”.

Depends on what the premises are. IIRC, essential retail (supermarkets and the like) do not need to sight vax certificates in NSW and VIC.

If it i non-essential retail (clothing, furniture and the like), sighting the certificate is mandated.

Ah. I’ve only been doing essential for the past two years. Though, I’m not sure that Repco are essential. Though they had desks across the door, they still let me in without showing proof.

I wasn’t asked nor were there any signs at the newsagent in Hamilton last week.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Depends on what the premises are. IIRC, essential retail (supermarkets and the like) do not need to sight vax certificates in NSW and VIC.

If it i non-essential retail (clothing, furniture and the like), sighting the certificate is mandated.

Ah. I’ve only been doing essential for the past two years. Though, I’m not sure that Repco are essential. Though they had desks across the door, they still let me in without showing proof.

I wasn’t asked nor were there any signs at the newsagent in Hamilton last week.

Had to present my certificate at David Jones for the first time yesterday. Took me some time to find it, and the woman doing the check was quite helpful, but I found it eventually. Don’t know how they react to people who insist they have a certificate, but can’t find it/ don’t have it on them.
Not something young people working for a retail store should really have to deal with.

And before that the barber had been quite happy to take my word for it.

pftf obviously that’s because Italy’s population is much smaller

alarmists

SCIENCE said:

pftf obviously that’s because Italy’s population is much smaller

alarmists

exciting times

Rrrrrrip It Open For The Economy Must Grow ¡

Pipe Dreamer

How To Think Like A Rotabagge
also known as
“Telling People Restrictions Are No Longer Needed Makes Everything Safe¡”

SCIENCE said:

…./cut by me transition/….

crosseyed derr look oooh look-see it get impossable now in the herd to void exposure with normil proximaty and breaving each othas air, the viris replamacate weally well, lots, fast

us’s needs more jab, more jections

¡ It Was All A Secret Plan To Make Americans Even More Stupid !
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/26/due-to-covid-college-enrollment-saw-largest-two-year-drop-in-50-years.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/delay-to-update-inaccurate-victorian-covid-vaccine-records/100571498

These people can ask their provider for a copy of their vaccination record and use that. It is an acceptable paper substitute for proving vaccination.

What’s going to happen with unvaccinated people?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s going to happen with unvaccinated people?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s going to happen with unvaccinated people?

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What’s going to happen with unvaccinated people?

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Probably kids will get vaxxed in Aust soon, if this is anything to go by.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/fda-advisers-back-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-children/100571348

Considering Australia is currently only 61% vaxxed, it’s probably a good idea.

What’s going to happen with unvaccinated people?

Good News, Now Pretty Much The Only People Who Can’t Choose To Be Vaccinated Are The Same Ones Who Don’t Understand How To Wear Masks To Protect Themselves And Will Have To Live With ForeverLongCOVID As They Get Older

authorise Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for US children aged five to 11

While children becoming seriously ill or dying from COVID-19 is relatively rare compared with adults, some develop complications, and infections in unvaccinated children have risen due to the highly transmissible Delta variant.

because this totally works

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Good News, Now Pretty Much The Only People Who Can’t Choose To Be Vaccinated Are The Same Ones Who Don’t Understand How To Wear Masks To Protect Themselves And Will Have To Live With ForeverLongCOVID As They Get Older

authorise Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for US children aged five to 11

While children becoming seriously ill or dying from COVID-19 is relatively rare compared with adults, some develop complications, and infections in unvaccinated children have risen due to the highly transmissible Delta variant.

because this totally works

is it possible anymore to formulate words that contradict the pro-endemic-covid message, so thorough they are, so everywhere, such an act would require an unnatural work of imagination just to find and assemble the words, let alone utter them, or write them

transition said:

is it possible anymore to formulate words that contradict the pro-endemic-covid message, so thorough they are, so everywhere, such an act would require an unnatural work of imagination just to find and assemble the words, let alone utter them, or write them

R < 1

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

is it possible anymore to formulate words that contradict the pro-endemic-covid message, so thorough they are, so everywhere, such an act would require an unnatural work of imagination just to find and assemble the words, let alone utter them, or write them

R < 1

looks like a simple formula for covid contraction

it crossed my mind, of the words the highly transmissible delta variant, that the antichrist was hiding the pro-endemic mischief even in that

Chris Whitty around these parts is going to be headexploded after this one,

Another Liberal Western Democracy* Filters The Dust

*: in the Far East laugh out loud

oh what the fuck what was that word “…inati…” what was that again, illuminati or something

ABC News:

‘Brazilian Senate approves call for President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted over pandemic’s handling
Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic — including crimes against humanity — but it is unlikely he will face formal charges.’

I seem to remember the Brazilians thronging the streets to cheer Prez BolwellMonaro in the early day of COVID as being their hero for pooh-poohing it a a minor and transient ailment.

Things look a bit different to them now that they’ve died like flies for months on end.

A fickle thing, the proletariat.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Brazilian Senate approves call for President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted over pandemic’s handling
Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic — including crimes against humanity — but it is unlikely he will face formal charges.’

I seem to remember the Brazilians thronging the streets to cheer Prez BolwellMonaro in the early day of COVID as being their hero for pooh-poohing it a a minor and transient ailment.

Things look a bit different to them now that they’ve died like flies for months on end.

A fickle thing, the proletariat.

They usually inhabit Glorious Free People’s Republics.

anyway back to the joking around it appears someone out there dug up this pièce de résistance and how good is it

https://www.smh.com.au/national/farce-mask-its-safe-for-only-20-minutes-20030427-gdgnyo.html

Health authorities have warned that surgical masks may not be an effective protection against the virus. “Those masks are only effective so long as they are dry,” said Professor Yvonne Cossart of the Department of Infectious Diseases at the University of Sydney. “As soon as they become saturated with the moisture in your breath they stop doing their job and pass on the droplets.” Professor Cossart said that could take as little as 15 or 20 minutes, after which the mask would need to be changed. But those warnings haven’t stopped people snapping up the masks, with retailers reporting they are having trouble keeping up with demand.

John Bell from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, who owns a pharmacy in Woollahra, Sydney, said mask supplies were running low. “At the moment we don’t have any because we haven’t been able to get any in the last few days,” MrBell said. “In the early stages it was unbelievable; we’d get people coming in all the time.” Mr Bell agreed with Professor Cossart’s assessment regarding the effectiveness of the masks. “I think they’re of marginal benefit,” he said. “In a way they give some comfort to people who think they’re doing as much as they can do to prevent the infection.” That seems to be the mentality of travellers to Asian destinations, who are buying and wearing the masks while overseas.

This was published 18 years ago

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Brazilian Senate approves call for President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted over pandemic’s handling
Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic — including crimes against humanity — but it is unlikely he will face formal charges.’

I seem to remember the Brazilians thronging the streets to cheer Prez BolwellMonaro in the early day of COVID as being their hero for pooh-poohing it a a minor and transient ailment.

Things look a bit different to them now that they’ve died like flies for months on end.

A fickle thing, the proletariat.

1300 pages that’s a huge report, wonder if anyone reads even part of the entire thing

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Brazilian Senate approves call for President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted over pandemic’s handling
Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic — including crimes against humanity — but it is unlikely he will face formal charges.’

I seem to remember the Brazilians thronging the streets to cheer Prez BolwellMonaro in the early day of COVID as being their hero for pooh-poohing it a a minor and transient ailment.

Things look a bit different to them now that they’ve died like flies for months on end.

A fickle thing, the proletariat.

They usually inhabit Glorious Free People’s Republics.

is it possible that the hero throngs are different to the died like flies proletariat throngs

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic

1300 pages that’s a huge report, wonder if anyone reads even part of the entire thing

that’s what we(0,1,1) bribe lawyers for

SCIENCE said:

anyway back to the joking around it appears someone out there dug up this pièce de résistance and how good is it

https://www.smh.com.au/national/farce-mask-its-safe-for-only-20-minutes-20030427-gdgnyo.html

Health authorities have warned that surgical masks may not be an effective protection against the virus. “Those masks are only effective so long as they are dry,” said Professor Yvonne Cossart of the Department of Infectious Diseases at the University of Sydney. “As soon as they become saturated with the moisture in your breath they stop doing their job and pass on the droplets.” Professor Cossart said that could take as little as 15 or 20 minutes, after which the mask would need to be changed. But those warnings haven’t stopped people snapping up the masks, with retailers reporting they are having trouble keeping up with demand.

John Bell from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, who owns a pharmacy in Woollahra, Sydney, said mask supplies were running low. “At the moment we don’t have any because we haven’t been able to get any in the last few days,” MrBell said. “In the early stages it was unbelievable; we’d get people coming in all the time.” Mr Bell agreed with Professor Cossart’s assessment regarding the effectiveness of the masks. “I think they’re of marginal benefit,” he said. “In a way they give some comfort to people who think they’re doing as much as they can do to prevent the infection.” That seems to be the mentality of travellers to Asian destinations, who are buying and wearing the masks while overseas.

This was published 18 years ago

Perhaps the full plastic face shields are the ones to go with, how much escapes if you sneeze I wonder

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Brazilian Senate approves call for President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted over pandemic’s handling
Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic — including crimes against humanity — but it is unlikely he will face formal charges.’

I seem to remember the Brazilians thronging the streets to cheer Prez BolwellMonaro in the early day of COVID as being their hero for pooh-poohing it a a minor and transient ailment.

Things look a bit different to them now that they’ve died like flies for months on end.

A fickle thing, the proletariat.

They usually inhabit Glorious Free People’s Republics.

is it possible that the hero throngs are different to the died like flies proletariat throngs

So Heroic Glorious Free People etc.

In Yet Another Case, We Stand With Dan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/australian-open-unvaccinated-tennis-players-andrews-morrison/100571898

And Just Like That (Like Magic), DoubleVaxxed Are No Longer FullyVaxxed

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/tga-approves-covid-vaccine-booster-shots-for-over-18-year-olds/100571442

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Senate committee approves 1,300-page report calling for Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro to be indicted for nine crimes relating to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic

1300 pages that’s a huge report, wonder if anyone reads even part of the entire thing

that’s what we(0,1,1) bribe lawyers for

I mean I read reports that long

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

1300 pages that’s a huge report, wonder if anyone reads even part of the entire thing

that’s what we(0,1,1) bribe lawyers for

I mean I read reports that long

Do they need to be that long could they be more concise at a few hundred pages.
That’s a huge amount of information to be processed

OK WE HAVE FOUND THE ANSWER

Roll Over Hydroxychloroquine, Bleach, Ivermectin, UV Lightsticks: The True Cure For COVID-19 Is Ouzo

Cymek said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

that’s what we(0,1,1) bribe lawyers for

I mean I read reports that long

Do they need to be that long could they be more concise at a few hundred pages.
That’s a huge amount of information to be processed

I just downloaded a document that is 1889 pages long. As a pdf it is 342 MB.

SCIENCE said:

Chris Whitty around these parts is going to be headexploded after this one,

Another Liberal Western Democracy* Filters The Dust

*: in the Far East laugh out loud

oh what the fuck what was that word “…inati…” what was that again, illuminati or something

Ta.

sibeen said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

I mean I read reports that long

Do they need to be that long could they be more concise at a few hundred pages.
That’s a huge amount of information to be processed

I just downloaded a document that is 1889 pages long. As a pdf it is 342 MB.

Well la-di-dah…

SCIENCE said:

Chris Whitty around these parts is going to be headexploded after this one,

Another Liberal Western Democracy* Filters The Dust

*: in the Far East laugh out loud

oh what the fuck what was that word “…inati…” what was that again, illuminati or something

I guess if you sort of ignore more uniform loyalty to elimination, that more informal dimension of behavior, someone might point to masks, of course loyalty might incline a person, or persons, or a people, to wear good masks, and other things

perhaps they have less terrorists in japan

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Chris Whitty around these parts is going to be headexploded after this one,

Another Liberal Western Democracy* Filters The Dust

*: in the Far East laugh out loud

oh what the fuck what was that word “…inati…” what was that again, illuminati or something

I guess if you sort of ignore more uniform loyalty to elimination, that more informal dimension of behavior, someone might point to masks, of course loyalty might incline a person, or persons, or a people, to wear good masks, and other things

perhaps they have less terrorists in japan

Don’t they wear mask as a matter of course in Japan when ill, perhaps they know how to use them properly

sibeen said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

I mean I read reports that long

Do they need to be that long could they be more concise at a few hundred pages.
That’s a huge amount of information to be processed

I just downloaded a document that is 1889 pages long. As a pdf it is 342 MB.

But be honest, how many of those bytes will you actually read?

Cymek said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Chris Whitty around these parts is going to be headexploded after this one,

Another Liberal Western Democracy* Filters The Dust

*: in the Far East laugh out loud

oh what the fuck what was that word “…inati…” what was that again, illuminati or something

I guess if you sort of ignore more uniform loyalty to elimination, that more informal dimension of behavior, someone might point to masks, of course loyalty might incline a person, or persons, or a people, to wear good masks, and other things

perhaps they have less terrorists in japan

Don’t they wear mask as a matter of course in Japan when ill, perhaps they know how to use them properly

could well be the case, but before we alienate the concept of loyalty, loyalty could be through some homogeneity of orientation say, a secret commitment perhaps to one’s ethnicity, and country that way

the Chinese seem to have whatever it is, maybe some European countries also

money may have loyalties also, but not naturally, so you know there is a lot of it about, money, capital, that really has no loyalties, no loyalties to any country, in a way that sort of gives it the power of a God

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Cymek said:

Do they need to be that long could they be more concise at a few hundred pages.
That’s a huge amount of information to be processed

I just downloaded a document that is 1889 pages long. As a pdf it is 342 MB.

But be honest, how many of those bytes will you actually read?

He bit off more than he could chew.

COVID Pfizer vaccine booster shots have been approved — here is what we know so far

‘Confusing, mixed messaging’: Unvaccinated shoppers given grace period when retail reopens

Shoppers will not need to be vaccinated when non-essential retail reopens from 6pm on Friday, with the Victorian government allowing a month’s grace before locking out those who have not received both jabs.

Laugh Out Loud

That Is All*

*: oh fine then we couldn’t help ourselves, they did not do nothing, they made it worse

and now that is all

have a good night / day / sol / whatever

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

That Is All*

*: oh fine then we couldn’t help ourselves, they did not do nothing, they made it worse

and now that is all

have a good night / day / sol / whatever

They are dumbing down the population, to make more money from people who cannot think properly.

Some people cannot think properly, but they have the right not to think properly, this allows other people to make money.

And..Sweden Stalk…they’ve dropped to number 54 on the deaths per million ranks. It will be a while before they drop further, number 55 (Saint Martin) is a bit behind them.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I’ll have another look late next week.

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

That Is All*

*: oh fine then we couldn’t help ourselves, they did not do nothing, they made it worse

and now that is all

have a good night / day / sol / whatever

Sad indictment.

:(

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

That Is All*

*: oh fine then we couldn’t help ourselves, they did not do nothing, they made it worse

and now that is all

have a good night / day / sol / whatever

Not sure what it has to do with Covid, but here are some Google search results, so just choose the ones you like:

Australia among top ten countries in maths and science: TIMSS

Australia just flunked a global education test. Are more maths …

Schools doing well on science, but mixed results in maths – AFR

Schools doing well on science, but mixed results in maths – AFR

Australia drops in PISA rankings: Should we be worried?

Australia lifts to be among top 10 countries in maths and science

(in case you are wondering, Bing only reported the bad headlines)

VIC: 1,923 new cases, 25 deaths

22,189 active cases

272 deaths in the current Delta outbreak.

82,648 tests.

…………………………………………………………..

NSW: 293 new cases, 2 deaths

89,678 tests.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/covid-live-updates-victoria-queensland-nsw-cases-vaccine-deaths/100574596

https://theconversation.com/your-unvaccinated-friend-is-roughly-20-times-more-likely-to-give-you-covid-170448

The Rev Dodgson said:

Australia drops in PISA rankings: Should we be worried?

Australia lifts to be among top 10 countries in maths and science

Hmm, there’s evidence about the mathematics right there.

Boris said:

“https://theconversation.com/your-unvaccinated-friend-is-roughly-20-times-more-likely-to-give-you-covid-170448”

nice but here’s the equivalent for N95+ masks

SCIENCE said:

evidence about the mathematics right there.

also guess we better make sure CHINA lock down and remote learn for a few more years to allow everyone else to catch up

The grouped provinces of Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang (China) was the highest performer across all domains, followed by Singapore. Compared to China, Australian students performed at a level roughly one-and-a-half school years lower in reading literacy, around three-and-a-half school years lower in mathematical literacy, and around three years lower in scientific literacy.

Congratulations, It’s A New Success, Real Income Will Reach Where It Was Before, In A Couple Of Years

Oh CDC Thinks COVID-19 Might Be Bad Just A Mild ‘Flu’ For Kids

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:

“https://theconversation.com/your-unvaccinated-friend-is-roughly-20-times-more-likely-to-give-you-covid-170448”

nice but here’s the equivalent for N95+ masks

What website is that from?

Boris said:

https://theconversation.com/your-unvaccinated-friend-is-roughly-20-times-more-likely-to-give-you-covid-170448

quickly read that

it didn’t mention if you do sequential rapid antigen testing, some hours apart for example, what the probability of a correct reading might be (low probability of false negative, being the objective and biggest concern)

few other things in there got missed

give you an anecdote regard potential covid transmission, a more terrestrial real-life example of how things might work, no need to get bogged down in statistics used for a relative perspective, and as it goes excessively relative perspectives might be considered hostile to reality

presently me and lady visit a small city for couple days every two weeks, to do the shopping and stay with family, we’re not highly sociable people, but it makes up a substantial part of our quality social life

if covid is known to start circulating in the State, with a high probability it is in the small city we visit then our social life radically changes, the risks radically change. The business the daughter and partner run involves close contact with clients, presently the range of the clientele excludes people from areas where there is known or likely to be covid (interstate, and overseas)

presently the risk is largely known, it’s very low, has a high level of certainty

if covid starts circulating the risk won’t be known, there will be a high level of uncertainty, all we’ll know is that the risks increase with higher infection numbers, most of the infection would eventually be cryptic (subclinical if you like), and transmission also

and most of the grandkids are still at school

so it’s a potential dog’s breakfast really, the costs will migrate to reduced sociability, less swapping breathable air

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:

“https://theconversation.com/your-unvaccinated-friend-is-roughly-20-times-more-likely-to-give-you-covid-170448”

nice but here’s the equivalent for N95+ masks

What website is that from?

Holy Holland Oh Shit: Strategic Thinking Lessons For Australia That We Won’t Learn Anything From

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dutch-consider-new-coronavirus-curbs-infections-soar-2021-10-25/

Coronavirus infections in the Netherlands have been rising for a month and reached their highest level since July in recent days, after most social distancing measures were dropped in late September. The new wave of infections has driven up the number of COVID-19 patients in hospitals faster than predicted this month, De Jonge said, and many hospitals are already cutting back regular care again to deal with coronavirus cases.

The Dutch government eased most COVID-19 restrictions on Sept. 25 and introduced a “corona pass” showing proof of vaccination or a recent negative test as a requirement for visitors to bars, restaurants, clubs or cultural events. Since then, infections in the country of 17.5 million have increased and they jumped 75% relative to a week before on Sunday to 6,350. The number of COVID-19 related deaths reported over the weekend more than doubled to 25.

Four out of five COVID-19 patients on Dutch intensive care wards have not been vaccinated, the National Institute for Public Health said last week. According to government data, 84.5% of the Dutch adult population has been fully vaccinated.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

nice but here’s the equivalent for N95+ masks

What website is that from?

That just brings me back to the Holiday Forum.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What website is that from?

That just brings me back to the Holiday Forum.

SCIENCE did the modified one himself.

SCIENCE said:

Four out of five COVID-19 patients on Dutch intensive care wards have not been vaccinated, the National Institute for Public Health said last week. According to government data, 84.5% of the Dutch adult population has been fully vaccinated.

Prioritise vaccinated patients and get on with life.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

nice but here’s the equivalent for N95+ masks

What website is that from?

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

‘Confusing, mixed messaging’: Unvaccinated shoppers given grace period when retail reopens

Shoppers will not need to be vaccinated when non-essential retail reopens from 6pm on Friday, with the Victorian government allowing a month’s grace before locking out those who have not received both jabs.

So will the Vic Gov lock out unvaccinated shoppers in a months time, or not?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

‘Confusing, mixed messaging’: Unvaccinated shoppers given grace period when retail reopens

Shoppers will not need to be vaccinated when non-essential retail reopens from 6pm on Friday, with the Victorian government allowing a month’s grace before locking out those who have not received both jabs.

So will the Vic Gov lock out unvaccinated shoppers in a months time, or not?

By then another wave will have started.

Tamb said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

‘Confusing, mixed messaging’: Unvaccinated shoppers given grace period when retail reopens

Shoppers will not need to be vaccinated when non-essential retail reopens from 6pm on Friday, with the Victorian government allowing a month’s grace before locking out those who have not received both jabs.

So will the Vic Gov lock out unvaccinated shoppers in a months time, or not?

By then another wave will have started.

Another wave? Oh….. OK.

waves to Mr Tamb. You can have a HUGZ too.

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

That just brings me back to the Holiday Forum.

SCIENCE did the modified one himself.

In that case where did he source the numbers?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/melbourne-park-hotel-asylum-seekers-covid19-shared-facilities/100575692

layers of irony, not just ovoviviparity

Hint: when nobody wants to take the fall for releasing plague onto your constituents, it might be time to rethink the idea of releasing plague onto your constituents ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/qld-jeannette-young-cho-replacement-changes-his-mind/100577180

More Good News From Alarmists Claiming To Be Experts

It’s Fucking Genius

Pandemic, 20 months, recognised massive superspreader events at religious, choral, exercise venues, and suddenly…. surprise¡

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/city-gym-owner-speaks-of-huge-shock-after-15-people-catch-covid-19—c-4352734

A Sydney gym owner says he was floored to find out his business was at the centre of a concerning COVID-19 cluster. Billy Kokkinis, executive director of City Gym in Darlinghurst, told Sunrise the news came as a “huge shock” and insisted he had “all the procedures and processes” in place to reduce transmission. NSW Health revealed on Wednesday that 15 people who had been at the gym have tested positive for the virus. “People who attended this gym at certain times on 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 25 October 2021 are considered casual contacts and must immediately get tested and isolate until a negative result is received.”

Kokkinis said he was stumped about the situation as staff have gone “above and beyond” to follow guidelines. City Gym Sydney has been open for fully vaccinated fitness fanatics since October 11.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nsw-health-issues-urgent-covid-19-alert-after-fifteen-cases-are-traced-back-to-one-gym-c-4347823
NSW Health issues urgent COVID-19 alert after FIFTEEN cases are traced back to ONE Sydney gym in Darlinghurst

It has undergone a deep clean and reopened.

SCIENCE said:

More Good News From Alarmists Claiming To Be Experts

more joyful news about covid, the pro-endemic-covid peoples have an arsenal of noises they like uttered to distract from that sort of thing

yesterday my viewing gave me a strong impression that an unknown number, perhaps not a few vaccine injuries were caused by vaccine being delivered intravascular rather than intramuscular, or substantially part-intravascular

The absolute brilliance of our State opposition MPs in Victoria.

Corruption Coalition must be backing gyms as well as regional shooting ranges and gun clubs, but hey if you must at least consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/well/move/exercise-classes-gym-coronavirus-covid.html

These pretend experts are probably barking as well, yeah, that’s it, “Dr” probably stands for “Druid” or some other hippie thing.

The Economy Must Grow

SCIENCE said:

It’s Fucking Genius

Pandemic, 20 months, recognised massive superspreader events at religious, choral, exercise venues, and suddenly…. surprise¡

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/city-gym-owner-speaks-of-huge-shock-after-15-people-catch-covid-19—c-4352734

A Sydney gym owner says he was floored to find out his business was at the centre of a concerning COVID-19 cluster. Billy Kokkinis, executive director of City Gym in Darlinghurst, told Sunrise the news came as a “huge shock” and insisted he had “all the procedures and processes” in place to reduce transmission. NSW Health revealed on Wednesday that 15 people who had been at the gym have tested positive for the virus. “People who attended this gym at certain times on 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 25 October 2021 are considered casual contacts and must immediately get tested and isolate until a negative result is received.”

Kokkinis said he was stumped about the situation as staff have gone “above and beyond” to follow guidelines. City Gym Sydney has been open for fully vaccinated fitness fanatics since October 11.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nsw-health-issues-urgent-covid-19-alert-after-fifteen-cases-are-traced-back-to-one-gym-c-4347823
NSW Health issues urgent COVID-19 alert after FIFTEEN cases are traced back to ONE Sydney gym in Darlinghurst

It has undergone a deep clean and reopened.

No shock to me. As expected.

sibeen said:

The absolute brilliance of our State opposition MPs in Victoria.

Remember When Gutless Binchickens Were Out Having Picnics

SCIENCE said:

Corruption Coalition must be backing gyms as well as regional shooting ranges and gun clubs, but hey if you must at least consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/well/move/exercise-classes-gym-coronavirus-covid.html

These pretend experts are probably barking as well, yeah, that’s it, “Dr” probably stands for “Druid” or some other hippie thing.

The Economy Must Grow

Dr Daya Sharma: Ophthalmologist. That may explain things.

sibeen said:

The absolute brilliance of our State opposition MPs in Victoria.

Gosh.

Idiot!

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s Fucking Genius

Pandemic, 20 months, recognised massive superspreader events at religious, choral, exercise venues, and suddenly…. surprise¡

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/city-gym-owner-speaks-of-huge-shock-after-15-people-catch-covid-19—c-4352734

A Sydney gym owner says he was floored to find out his business was at the centre of a concerning COVID-19 cluster. Billy Kokkinis, executive director of City Gym in Darlinghurst, told Sunrise the news came as a “huge shock” and insisted he had “all the procedures and processes” in place to reduce transmission. NSW Health revealed on Wednesday that 15 people who had been at the gym have tested positive for the virus. “People who attended this gym at certain times on 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 25 October 2021 are considered casual contacts and must immediately get tested and isolate until a negative result is received.”

Kokkinis said he was stumped about the situation as staff have gone “above and beyond” to follow guidelines. City Gym Sydney has been open for fully vaccinated fitness fanatics since October 11.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nsw-health-issues-urgent-covid-19-alert-after-fifteen-cases-are-traced-back-to-one-gym-c-4347823
NSW Health issues urgent COVID-19 alert after FIFTEEN cases are traced back to ONE Sydney gym in Darlinghurst

It has undergone a deep clean and reopened.

No shock to me. As expected.

not buying the unexpectness, the naive innocence, so media friendly though it is, the audience goes derrrr, and media patronizes, mutual patronizing, then media gives you the right words and angle on on it to help a person out, so you know how to understand it, saves examining the apparent prevalent absence of imagination, poverty that way

This one is interesting, we’ll follow up with the actual institutional content in a moment, but check out the media portrayal.

The points:

• talk about airborne transmission and show a picture of a mask that is inferior for protection
• Maybe, just a thought, maybe when you name a scientist in a headline, the accompanying photo should be of that scientist, and not someone else? THIS is Prof Buising

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Corruption Coalition must be backing gyms as well as regional shooting ranges and gun clubs, but hey if you must at least consider

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/well/move/exercise-classes-gym-coronavirus-covid.html

These pretend experts are probably barking as well, yeah, that’s it, “Dr” probably stands for “Druid” or some other hippie thing.

The Economy Must Grow

Dr Daya Sharma: Ophthalmologist. That may explain things.

Ophthalmologist in Wuhan?

transition said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

It’s Fucking Genius

Pandemic, 20 months, recognised massive superspreader events at religious, choral, exercise venues, and suddenly…. surprise¡

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/city-gym-owner-speaks-of-huge-shock-after-15-people-catch-covid-19—c-4352734

A Sydney gym owner says he was floored to find out his business was at the centre of a concerning COVID-19 cluster. Billy Kokkinis, executive director of City Gym in Darlinghurst, told Sunrise the news came as a “huge shock” and insisted he had “all the procedures and processes” in place to reduce transmission. NSW Health revealed on Wednesday that 15 people who had been at the gym have tested positive for the virus. “People who attended this gym at certain times on 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 25 October 2021 are considered casual contacts and must immediately get tested and isolate until a negative result is received.”

Kokkinis said he was stumped about the situation as staff have gone “above and beyond” to follow guidelines. City Gym Sydney has been open for fully vaccinated fitness fanatics since October 11.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nsw-health-issues-urgent-covid-19-alert-after-fifteen-cases-are-traced-back-to-one-gym-c-4347823
NSW Health issues urgent COVID-19 alert after FIFTEEN cases are traced back to ONE Sydney gym in Darlinghurst

It has undergone a deep clean and reopened.

No shock to me. As expected.

not buying the unexpectness, the naive innocence, so media friendly though it is, the audience goes derrrr, and media patronizes, mutual patronizing, then media gives you the right words and angle on on it to help a person out, so you know how to understand it, saves examining the apparent prevalent absence of imagination, poverty that way

Intellectual poverty.