How did India beat covid-19?
The virus exhausted itself after tearing through the vast population

Oct 29th 2021
DELHI

JUST A FEW months after India’s public-health systems collapsed under a tsunami of covid-19 infections, the country is starting to feel it has something to celebrate. In good time for the season of Hindu holidays now under way, on October 21st Narendra Modi, the prime minister, declared that India had administered its billionth dose of vaccine. In cities such as Delhi and Mumbai the dedicated covid-19 wards are virtually empty (smaller towns struggled to open any in the first place). A doctor at a major government hospital quipped that it must now be harder to contract the virus in Delhi than anywhere abroad. India’s economy is still wonky, but for most of the summer stockmarket indices have been reaching new heights. Yet this palpable sense of relief is hard to square with the recent memory of mass death, when fields of bodies were buried hastily along the Ganges. How did India manage to beat covid-19?

The plain fact is that, instead, covid-19 beat India. The world watched anxiously in April and May, when the caseloads were climbing almost vertically. The terror was justified. India was gripped by the first outbreak of the Delta variant (briefly called “the Indian variant”, until the WHO insisted on switching to Greek letters). Its ferocity taught lessons that some parts of the world are still learning. Indians died in untold numbers. To judge by the number of excess deaths, something like 2.3m lost their lives to the disease. Those who survived rued the government’s failure to procure vaccines earlier, when India had positioned itself as a pharmaceutical factory for the world. The rate of vaccinations went from a trickle to an erratic drip, as systems of every kind shut down. And then in June, almost exactly as fast as the wave of infections had shot up, it shot down again. Not 10% of the population had been vaccinated (see chart). Within two weeks it was back down to pre-Delta levels. No thanks to any medical intervention.

A survey of blood samples published this week shows that more than 90% of Delhi’s residents have antibodies against covid-19 coursing through their veins. Having weathered the crisis at its worst, Indians are kept safe by natural immunity. The campaign to vaccinate India, slow and sometimes wobbly, has been making steady progress nonetheless. Sometimes it gets a fillip, as when a one-day jabbing extravaganza was organised to celebrate Mr Modi’s 71st birthday. During the darkest days of India’s pandemic, he had hidden himself out of view. Now Mr Modi is eager to put his portrait on every official vaccination certificate. On October 21st a private airline, Spicejet, emblazoned three of its planes with the prime minister’s face to congratulate him on immunising so many of his countrymen. But the “immunisation” that mattered had happened months earlier.

More than half of all Indians have received at least one dose of the vaccine, and almost 25% are considered to be fully vaccinated. That is a fine thing, as even natural immunity wanes. The government is now vaccinating a solid 6m or more every day, while monitoring a caseload of about 150,000 covid-positive patients. At the current rate of progress, India ought to have safeguarded itself against a third wave (really, a second wave of Delta) by the time one might recur on a cyclical basis. There is no more discussion of containing or extirpating the coronavirus. For most people who managed to hold on to their health and livelihood through this grim year, life is getting back to normal (though the nation’s schoolchildren and their parents, still reeling from the world’s longest school closures, would like to have a word). Once again India may be stumbling into the lead—as the rest of the world adjusts itself to endemic covid-19.

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2021/10/29/how-did-india-beat-covid-19?

And many countries — even with no shortage of vaccines — are still recording many more deaths than in the pre-pandemic baseline.

The United States is one of those nations. The US is currently recording as many as 20,000 deaths a week over and above historical norms.

Professor Mokdad estimates that only around 50 per cent of COVID-19 cases are being detected in the United States.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/five-million-covid19-deaths-but-real-toll-hidden/100568156

sarahs mum said:

And many countries — even with no shortage of vaccines — are still recording many more deaths than in the pre-pandemic baseline.

The United States is one of those nations. The US is currently recording as many as 20,000 deaths a week over and above historical norms.

Professor Mokdad estimates that only around 50 per cent of COVID-19 cases are being detected in the United States.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/five-million-covid19-deaths-but-real-toll-hidden/100568156

checks out

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

And many countries — even with no shortage of vaccines — are still recording many more deaths than in the pre-pandemic baseline.

The United States is one of those nations. The US is currently recording as many as 20,000 deaths a week over and above historical norms.

Professor Mokdad estimates that only around 50 per cent of COVID-19 cases are being detected in the United States.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/five-million-covid19-deaths-but-real-toll-hidden/100568156

checks out

It stands to reason that a covid will defeat us.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

And many countries — even with no shortage of vaccines — are still recording many more deaths than in the pre-pandemic baseline.

The United States is one of those nations. The US is currently recording as many as 20,000 deaths a week over and above historical norms.

Professor Mokdad estimates that only around 50 per cent of COVID-19 cases are being detected in the United States.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/five-million-covid19-deaths-but-real-toll-hidden/100568156

checks out

It stands to reason that a covid will defeat us.

To quote that shampoo ad.

It won’t happen overnight but….

freedom

COVID-19 Zero Cases By Christmas ¡

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19 Zero Cases By Christmas ¡

Well, of course. No tests = no cases. Simples.

VIC: 989 new local cases, 9 deaths.

NSW: 173 new local cases, 4 deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100586504

Michael V said:

VIC: 989 new local cases, 9 deaths.

NSW: 173 new local cases, 4 deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100586504

and one new case in town here.
We have yet to find out how many he/she infected at two party venues and a Coles stupormart.
There’s a long queue of cars at the testing station containing the panicked and most likely the unvaccinated.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 989 new local cases, 9 deaths.

NSW: 173 new local cases, 4 deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100586504

and one new case in town here.
We have yet to find out how many he/she infected at two party venues and a Coles stupormart.
There’s a long queue of cars at the testing station containing the panicked and most likely the unvaccinated.

Stay safe.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 989 new local cases, 9 deaths.

NSW: 173 new local cases, 4 deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100586504

and one new case in town here.
We have yet to find out how many he/she infected at two party venues and a Coles stupormart.
There’s a long queue of cars at the testing station containing the panicked and most likely the unvaccinated.

Stay safe.

I was in Coles on Saturday.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

and one new case in town here.
We have yet to find out how many he/she infected at two party venues and a Coles stupormart.
There’s a long queue of cars at the testing station containing the panicked and most likely the unvaccinated.

Stay safe.

I was in Coles on Saturday.

Today’s covid report says two cases now.

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19 Zero Cases By Christmas ¡

It would be helpful to have some idea of which English speaking country this is.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19 Zero Cases By Christmas ¡

It would be helpful to have some idea of which English speaking country this is.

Wolverhampton, UK i would guess.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

and one new case in town here.
We have yet to find out how many he/she infected at two party venues and a Coles stupormart.
There’s a long queue of cars at the testing station containing the panicked and most likely the unvaccinated.

Stay safe.

I was in Coles on Saturday.

Well that’s not important if the “case” wasn’t there until Sunday or Monday.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Stay safe.

I was in Coles on Saturday.

Well that’s not important if the “case” wasn’t there until Sunday or Monday.

maybe ‘e infected the case

majiq

Boris said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

COVID-19 Zero Cases By Christmas ¡

It would be helpful to have some idea of which English speaking country this is.

Wolverhampton, UK i would guess.

but fair we could have spelled it out the first time

Boris said:

Good.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Boris said:

Good.

+1

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Boris said:

Good.

+1

Laugh Out Loud

Ministers warned imposing Covid vaccinations on NHS staff could trigger safety crisis

Around 100,000 staff in health service are yet to have a coronavirus vaccine

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ministers-warned-imposing-covid-vaccinations-on-nhs-staff-could-trigger-safety-crisis-b1949059.html

Minsters could trigger a workforce exodus in the health service by imposing mandatory vaccinations on NHS staff, health bosses have warned.

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NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet said the state would be “world leading” if it could reach the 95 per cent target. “Ultimately we want a united society and we believe moving that date back to December 15 will incentivise [people to get vaccinated],” he said.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

I was in Coles on Saturday.

Well that’s not important if the “case” wasn’t there until Sunday or Monday.

maybe ‘e infected the case

I still have no idea of the timing. So maybe I wasn’t there at the wrong time.

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

Brexit is annoyed it was toppled from news headlines

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

you have survived it so far. Well done.

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

you have survived it so far. Well done.

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

you have survived it so far. Well done.

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

I don’t think you are the lone stranger there.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

you have survived it so far. Well done.

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

Scotty expects you all to have a nice Christmas.

I hope it works.

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sarahs mum said:

you have survived it so far. Well done.

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

Scotty expects you all to have a nice Christmas.

I hope it works.

Not happening in QLD. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-uncertainty-in-qld-points-to-sad-christmas-for-santas/100585658

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well that’s not important if the “case” wasn’t there until Sunday or Monday.

maybe ‘e infected the case

I still have no idea of the timing. So maybe I wasn’t there at the wrong time.

the smart people out there < ^ v > suggest that being in aerosol form it can hang around for hours if not days so as we know the “15 minutes” or whatever it is now is complete bullshit

keep up the N95+ masking and get the third shot and when we can talk

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

Scotty expects you all to have a nice Christmas.

I hope it works.

Not happening in QLD.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-uncertainty-in-qld-points-to-sad-christmas-for-santas/100585658

crock, we mean, consider their image

if all the jokers out there stopped being recalcitrant bastards then you know that white stuff could hide a mask, you could wear a N95+ fatman mask, and together with 3 shots or at least 2 recent ones, boom, relatively safe

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sarahs mum said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Covid can go get fucked. I’m so tired of it.

you have survived it so far. Well done.

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

shrug the 3 shots you can get and forget, then all you need to do is put on your sunscreen and hat if you’re going into the sun, your umbrella if going into rain, your shoes if going anywhere with rough or sharp ground, your clothes if you’re going somewhere public, and oh what’s that, just another accessory, a N95+ mask if you’re breathing much of the same air as anyone else

imagine wearing underwear

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe ‘e infected the case

I still have no idea of the timing. So maybe I wasn’t there at the wrong time.

the smart people out there < ^ v > suggest that being in aerosol form it can hang around for hours if not days so as we know the “15 minutes” or whatever it is now is complete bullshit

keep up the N95+ masking and get the third shot and when we can talk

It’s going to be a pretty smart virus to be there in the supermarket before the person carrying it was in the supermarket.

SCIENCE said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

sarahs mum said:

you have survived it so far. Well done.

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

shrug the 3 shots you can get and forget, then all you need to do is put on your sunscreen and hat if you’re going into the sun, your umbrella if going into rain, your shoes if going anywhere with rough or sharp ground, your clothes if you’re going somewhere public, and oh what’s that, just another accessory, a N95+ mask if you’re breathing much of the same air as anyone else

imagine wearing underwear

Oh thanks I’m cured…

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

I still have no idea of the timing. So maybe I wasn’t there at the wrong time.

the smart people out there < ^ v > suggest that being in aerosol form it can hang around for hours if not days so as we know the “15 minutes” or whatever it is now is complete bullshit

keep up the N95+ masking and get the third shot and when we can talk

It’s going to be a pretty smart virus to be there in the supermarket before the person carrying it was in the supermarket.

Clever indeed.

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

SCIENCE said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

I’m just so tired of worrying about it, having it cause problems at work, having in my face everyday, I miss my family. I’m at the point that sometimes I’m beyond careing about doing what we have to do to help stop it. That’s all. /end vent

shrug the 3 shots you can get and forget, then all you need to do is put on your sunscreen and hat if you’re going into the sun, your umbrella if going into rain, your shoes if going anywhere with rough or sharp ground, your clothes if you’re going somewhere public, and oh what’s that, just another accessory, a N95+ mask if you’re breathing much of the same air as anyone else

imagine wearing underwear

Oh thanks I’m cured…

S’if.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing-sack-after-refusing-jabs/100587356

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing-sack-after-refusing-jabs/100587356

I think he’s just seeking attention. Everyone will be getting boosters eventually, most likely of a different vaccine variety.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing-sack-after-refusing-jabs/100587356

I think he’s just seeking attention. Everyone will be getting boosters eventually, most likely of a different vaccine variety.

he might be interested in his antibody levels over time, in response to that vaccine, and really a person owns their own immune system, last time I checked

the internal environment

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing-sack-after-refusing-jabs/100587356

I think he’s just seeking attention. Everyone will be getting boosters eventually, most likely of a different vaccine variety.

he might be interested in his antibody levels over time, in response to that vaccine, and really a person owns their own immune system, last time I checked

the internal environment

supposedly the issue isn’t that the chap skipped vaccines, but that the ones he got aren’t approved

whether true that’s a different

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

Het nemen van een vaccin is een zwart-witkeuze, je kunt je niet een beetje laten vaccineren. Wie tegen alle adviezen in dat vaccin niet neemt, kiest een kant. Een kant die bestaat uit mensen die weigeren mee te doen aan het grotere geheel, omdat hun altruïsme beperkt is tot mensen uit hetzelfde gezin of religie, of omdat ze door hun narcisme niet meer tot altruïsme in staat zijn.

Want narcisme, de voortdurende zelfobsessie gevoed door sociale media, is de werkelijke pandemie. Narcisme verklaart het fenomeen van jonge moeders die vanuit hun huiskamer vloggen over hun ‘strijd’ tegen een wereldelite en andere malloterie, alleen maar omdat andere idioten bereid zijn hun zelfverzonnen importantie te bevestigen. Narcisme verklaart waarom vaccinweigeraars zichzelf bovengemiddeld vaak als content maker zien, verstrikt in een web van zelfbevestiging en instantbevrediging.

Het is geen toeval dat de groep van niet-religieuze vaccinweigeraars wordt gedomineerd door mensen die sowieso al erg bezig waren met zelfontwikkeling, zelfhulp, eigenliefde en andere narcistische hobby’s. Corona is voor de dolende narcist een manier om als individualist toch nog eens de sensatie van een groepsidentiteit te voelen. Van het weigeren van een vaccin wordt een lifestyle gemaakt, een heuse strijd – #rugrecht! Eindelijk relevantie, eindelijk de sensatie een groep mensen te vertegenwoordigen!

Narcisme is de grootste vijand van burgerschap, omdat burgerschap vereist dat je oog hebt voor de redelijke belangen van een ander. Wanneer vaccinweigeraars in hun misplaatste slachtofferschap spreken over vrijheid, bedoelen ze vooral de vrijheid om het eigen narcisme te kunnen belijden, die bij hen vóórgaat op de vrijheid en veiligheid van de ander.

De coronavaccins zijn een lakmoesproef voor het sociale kapitaal en burgerschap in Nederland. Die waren en zijn in Nederland nog altijd groot, maar door de aan sociale media verbonden narcismepandemie groeit de groep mensen die het burgerschap verwerpt in een zorgelijk tempo. Dat zoiets relatief onbenulligs als een vaccin tegen een nieuwe ziekte al leidt tot complete gekte, laat zien hoe snel de giftige mix van sociale media, narcisme en decadentie het sociale kapitaal kunnen aantasten.

Wie de basisregels van het goed burgerschap niet respecteert, verdient ook geen plek in het publieke debat. Vaccinweigeraars zijn vooral een symptoom van de door sociale media opvlammende sociale rot, waarmee de coronacrisis steeds minder een gezondheidscrisis maar eerder een burgerschapscrisis is. Als we ergens eens debat over zouden moeten voeren, dan zou het dáárover moeten zijn.

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

Het nemen van een vaccin is een zwart-witkeuze, je kunt je niet een beetje laten vaccineren. Wie tegen alle adviezen in dat vaccin niet neemt, kiest een kant. Een kant die bestaat uit mensen die weigeren mee te doen aan het grotere geheel, omdat hun altruïsme beperkt is tot mensen uit hetzelfde gezin of religie, of omdat ze door hun narcisme niet meer tot altruïsme in staat zijn.

Want narcisme, de voortdurende zelfobsessie gevoed door sociale media, is de werkelijke pandemie. Narcisme verklaart het fenomeen van jonge moeders die vanuit hun huiskamer vloggen over hun ‘strijd’ tegen een wereldelite en andere malloterie, alleen maar omdat andere idioten bereid zijn hun zelfverzonnen importantie te bevestigen. Narcisme verklaart waarom vaccinweigeraars zichzelf bovengemiddeld vaak als content maker zien, verstrikt in een web van zelfbevestiging en instantbevrediging.

Het is geen toeval dat de groep van niet-religieuze vaccinweigeraars wordt gedomineerd door mensen die sowieso al erg bezig waren met zelfontwikkeling, zelfhulp, eigenliefde en andere narcistische hobby’s. Corona is voor de dolende narcist een manier om als individualist toch nog eens de sensatie van een groepsidentiteit te voelen. Van het weigeren van een vaccin wordt een lifestyle gemaakt, een heuse strijd – #rugrecht! Eindelijk relevantie, eindelijk de sensatie een groep mensen te vertegenwoordigen!

Narcisme is de grootste vijand van burgerschap, omdat burgerschap vereist dat je oog hebt voor de redelijke belangen van een ander. Wanneer vaccinweigeraars in hun misplaatste slachtofferschap spreken over vrijheid, bedoelen ze vooral de vrijheid om het eigen narcisme te kunnen belijden, die bij hen vóórgaat op de vrijheid en veiligheid van de ander.

De coronavaccins zijn een lakmoesproef voor het sociale kapitaal en burgerschap in Nederland. Die waren en zijn in Nederland nog altijd groot, maar door de aan sociale media verbonden narcismepandemie groeit de groep mensen die het burgerschap verwerpt in een zorgelijk tempo. Dat zoiets relatief onbenulligs als een vaccin tegen een nieuwe ziekte al leidt tot complete gekte, laat zien hoe snel de giftige mix van sociale media, narcisme en decadentie het sociale kapitaal kunnen aantasten.

Wie de basisregels van het goed burgerschap niet respecteert, verdient ook geen plek in het publieke debat. Vaccinweigeraars zijn vooral een symptoom van de door sociale media opvlammende sociale rot, waarmee de coronacrisis steeds minder een gezondheidscrisis maar eerder een burgerschapscrisis is. Als we ergens eens debat over zouden moeten voeren, dan zou het dáárover moeten zijn.

It’s all Dutch to me.

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

Het nemen van een vaccin is een zwart-witkeuze, je kunt je niet een beetje laten vaccineren. Wie tegen alle adviezen in dat vaccin niet neemt, kiest een kant. Een kant die bestaat uit mensen die weigeren mee te doen aan het grotere geheel, omdat hun altruïsme beperkt is tot mensen uit hetzelfde gezin of religie, of omdat ze door hun narcisme niet meer tot altruïsme in staat zijn.

Want narcisme, de voortdurende zelfobsessie gevoed door sociale media, is de werkelijke pandemie. Narcisme verklaart het fenomeen van jonge moeders die vanuit hun huiskamer vloggen over hun ‘strijd’ tegen een wereldelite en andere malloterie, alleen maar omdat andere idioten bereid zijn hun zelfverzonnen importantie te bevestigen. Narcisme verklaart waarom vaccinweigeraars zichzelf bovengemiddeld vaak als content maker zien, verstrikt in een web van zelfbevestiging en instantbevrediging.

Het is geen toeval dat de groep van niet-religieuze vaccinweigeraars wordt gedomineerd door mensen die sowieso al erg bezig waren met zelfontwikkeling, zelfhulp, eigenliefde en andere narcistische hobby’s. Corona is voor de dolende narcist een manier om als individualist toch nog eens de sensatie van een groepsidentiteit te voelen. Van het weigeren van een vaccin wordt een lifestyle gemaakt, een heuse strijd – #rugrecht! Eindelijk relevantie, eindelijk de sensatie een groep mensen te vertegenwoordigen!

Narcisme is de grootste vijand van burgerschap, omdat burgerschap vereist dat je oog hebt voor de redelijke belangen van een ander. Wanneer vaccinweigeraars in hun misplaatste slachtofferschap spreken over vrijheid, bedoelen ze vooral de vrijheid om het eigen narcisme te kunnen belijden, die bij hen vóórgaat op de vrijheid en veiligheid van de ander.

De coronavaccins zijn een lakmoesproef voor het sociale kapitaal en burgerschap in Nederland. Die waren en zijn in Nederland nog altijd groot, maar door de aan sociale media verbonden narcismepandemie groeit de groep mensen die het burgerschap verwerpt in een zorgelijk tempo. Dat zoiets relatief onbenulligs als een vaccin tegen een nieuwe ziekte al leidt tot complete gekte, laat zien hoe snel de giftige mix van sociale media, narcisme en decadentie het sociale kapitaal kunnen aantasten.

Wie de basisregels van het goed burgerschap niet respecteert, verdient ook geen plek in het publieke debat. Vaccinweigeraars zijn vooral een symptoom van de door sociale media opvlammende sociale rot, waarmee de coronacrisis steeds minder een gezondheidscrisis maar eerder een burgerschapscrisis is. Als we ergens eens debat over zouden moeten voeren, dan zou het dáárover moeten zijn.

calling p_p to the forum, translation needed.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

I think he’s just seeking attention. Everyone will be getting boosters eventually, most likely of a different vaccine variety.

he might be interested in his antibody levels over time, in response to that vaccine, and really a person owns their own immune system, last time I checked

the internal environment

supposedly the issue isn’t that the chap skipped vaccines, but that the ones he got aren’t approved

whether true that’s a different

yeah I got that, I regressed for a moment, had a flicker of an idea, a thought about the force of culture, culture over the individual biology, how culture steers the group biology, which is probably in-large-part what culture is

i’ll try to contain myself in future

Boris said:

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

Het nemen van een vaccin is een zwart-witkeuze, je kunt je niet een beetje laten vaccineren. Wie tegen alle adviezen in dat vaccin niet neemt, kiest een kant. Een kant die bestaat uit mensen die weigeren mee te doen aan het grotere geheel, omdat hun altruïsme beperkt is tot mensen uit hetzelfde gezin of religie, of omdat ze door hun narcisme niet meer tot altruïsme in staat zijn.

Want narcisme, de voortdurende zelfobsessie gevoed door sociale media, is de werkelijke pandemie. Narcisme verklaart het fenomeen van jonge moeders die vanuit hun huiskamer vloggen over hun ‘strijd’ tegen een wereldelite en andere malloterie, alleen maar omdat andere idioten bereid zijn hun zelfverzonnen importantie te bevestigen. Narcisme verklaart waarom vaccinweigeraars zichzelf bovengemiddeld vaak als content maker zien, verstrikt in een web van zelfbevestiging en instantbevrediging.

Het is geen toeval dat de groep van niet-religieuze vaccinweigeraars wordt gedomineerd door mensen die sowieso al erg bezig waren met zelfontwikkeling, zelfhulp, eigenliefde en andere narcistische hobby’s. Corona is voor de dolende narcist een manier om als individualist toch nog eens de sensatie van een groepsidentiteit te voelen. Van het weigeren van een vaccin wordt een lifestyle gemaakt, een heuse strijd – #rugrecht! Eindelijk relevantie, eindelijk de sensatie een groep mensen te vertegenwoordigen!

Narcisme is de grootste vijand van burgerschap, omdat burgerschap vereist dat je oog hebt voor de redelijke belangen van een ander. Wanneer vaccinweigeraars in hun misplaatste slachtofferschap spreken over vrijheid, bedoelen ze vooral de vrijheid om het eigen narcisme te kunnen belijden, die bij hen vóórgaat op de vrijheid en veiligheid van de ander.

De coronavaccins zijn een lakmoesproef voor het sociale kapitaal en burgerschap in Nederland. Die waren en zijn in Nederland nog altijd groot, maar door de aan sociale media verbonden narcismepandemie groeit de groep mensen die het burgerschap verwerpt in een zorgelijk tempo. Dat zoiets relatief onbenulligs als een vaccin tegen een nieuwe ziekte al leidt tot complete gekte, laat zien hoe snel de giftige mix van sociale media, narcisme en decadentie het sociale kapitaal kunnen aantasten.

Wie de basisregels van het goed burgerschap niet respecteert, verdient ook geen plek in het publieke debat. Vaccinweigeraars zijn vooral een symptoom van de door sociale media opvlammende sociale rot, waarmee de coronacrisis steeds minder een gezondheidscrisis maar eerder een burgerschapscrisis is. Als we ergens eens debat over zouden moeten voeren, dan zou het dáárover moeten zijn.

calling p_p to the forum, translation needed.

Fuck off. I can’t read Dutch. I can only understand small snippets of spoken Dutch.

This was picked up on a trip to the country when I was about 8 or 9 years old. Interacting with various people and relatives I picked up a lot, but it was all through conversation. Never had any formal training at it. Given it is a good 40 years ago now my understanding of the spoken word is diminishing.

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

snip the rest of the Double-Dutch

TRANSLATED:

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“The corona crisis is now mainly a citizenship crisis”

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

It seems an eternity ago, but in the spring of 2020 the corona debate still had real taboos. The conflict of interests between the safety of the elderly and the freedom of young people was obvious, but it was not allowed to talk about it for a long time. A year later, we have gone the other way: nowadays every wappie with a completed study gets broadcasting time.

While a debate about the curtailment of freedoms is quite justified, vaccine rejecters have no place in that debate. They do not represent any reasonable interest. Their exclusion is self-chosen and, moreover, questionable, because on the basis of religious fanaticism or extreme right-wing conspiracy thinking. The freedom to choose does not mean that we have to be blind to the motives of those who refuse.

The ridiculous wail about discrimination and ‘medical apartheid’ therefore comes exclusively from the vaccine refusers themselves, supplemented by a single opportunist who may have been vaccinated himself, but wants to keep friends with an extreme right-wing or religious base, such as SGP leader Kees van der Staaij. or Telegraaf journalist Wierd Duk, who lost thousands of followers after he announced he was taking the vaccine. He doesn’t want that again.

Taking a vaccine is a black and white choice, you can’t get a little vaccinated. Whoever does not take that vaccine against all advice, chooses a side. A side that consists of people who refuse to participate in the bigger picture because their altruism is limited to people of the same family or religion, or because their narcissism makes them incapable of altruism.

Because narcissism, the constant self-obsession fueled by social media, is the real pandemic. Narcissism explains the phenomenon of young mothers vlogging from their living rooms about their ‘battle’ against a global elite and other malloterie, just because other idiots are willing to affirm their made-up importance. Narcissism explains why vaccine rejecters often see themselves above average as content creators, entangled in a web of self-affirmation and instant gratification.

It’s no coincidence that the group of non-religious vaccine rejecters is dominated by people who were already preoccupied with self-development, self-help, self-love and other narcissistic hobbies. Corona is for the wandering narcissist a way to feel the sensation of a group identity as an individualist. Refusing a vaccine is turned into a lifestyle, a real struggle – #backrecht! Finally relevance, finally the thrill of representing a group of people!

Narcissism is the greatest enemy of citizenship, because citizenship requires that you have an eye for the reasonable interests of another. When vaccine refusers speak of freedom in their misplaced victimhood, they mainly mean the freedom to profess their own narcissism, which in their view takes precedence over the freedom and safety of the other.

The corona vaccines are a litmus test for social capital and citizenship in the Netherlands. These were and still are large in the Netherlands, but due to the narcissism pandemic linked to social media, the group of people who reject citizenship is growing at a worrying rate. That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease can lead to complete madness shows how quickly the toxic mix of social media, narcissism and decadence can erode social capital.

Anyone who does not respect the basic rules of good citizenship does not deserve a place in the public debate. Vaccine refusers are mainly a symptom of the social media flare-up, which makes the corona crisis less of a health crisis but more of a citizenship crisis. If we should have a debate about anything, it should be about that.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

snip the rest of the Double-Dutch

TRANSLATED:

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“The corona crisis is now mainly a citizenship crisis”

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

It seems an eternity ago, but in the spring of 2020 the corona debate still had real taboos. The conflict of interests between the safety of the elderly and the freedom of young people was obvious, but it was not allowed to talk about it for a long time. A year later, we have gone the other way: nowadays every wappie with a completed study gets broadcasting time.

While a debate about the curtailment of freedoms is quite justified, vaccine rejecters have no place in that debate. They do not represent any reasonable interest. Their exclusion is self-chosen and, moreover, questionable, because on the basis of religious fanaticism or extreme right-wing conspiracy thinking. The freedom to choose does not mean that we have to be blind to the motives of those who refuse.

The ridiculous wail about discrimination and ‘medical apartheid’ therefore comes exclusively from the vaccine refusers themselves, supplemented by a single opportunist who may have been vaccinated himself, but wants to keep friends with an extreme right-wing or religious base, such as SGP leader Kees van der Staaij. or Telegraaf journalist Wierd Duk, who lost thousands of followers after he announced he was taking the vaccine. He doesn’t want that again.

Taking a vaccine is a black and white choice, you can’t get a little vaccinated. Whoever does not take that vaccine against all advice, chooses a side. A side that consists of people who refuse to participate in the bigger picture because their altruism is limited to people of the same family or religion, or because their narcissism makes them incapable of altruism.

Because narcissism, the constant self-obsession fueled by social media, is the real pandemic. Narcissism explains the phenomenon of young mothers vlogging from their living rooms about their ‘battle’ against a global elite and other malloterie, just because other idiots are willing to affirm their made-up importance. Narcissism explains why vaccine rejecters often see themselves above average as content creators, entangled in a web of self-affirmation and instant gratification.

It’s no coincidence that the group of non-religious vaccine rejecters is dominated by people who were already preoccupied with self-development, self-help, self-love and other narcissistic hobbies. Corona is for the wandering narcissist a way to feel the sensation of a group identity as an individualist. Refusing a vaccine is turned into a lifestyle, a real struggle – #backrecht! Finally relevance, finally the thrill of representing a group of people!

Narcissism is the greatest enemy of citizenship, because citizenship requires that you have an eye for the reasonable interests of another. When vaccine refusers speak of freedom in their misplaced victimhood, they mainly mean the freedom to profess their own narcissism, which in their view takes precedence over the freedom and safety of the other.

The corona vaccines are a litmus test for social capital and citizenship in the Netherlands. These were and still are large in the Netherlands, but due to the narcissism pandemic linked to social media, the group of people who reject citizenship is growing at a worrying rate. That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease can lead to complete madness shows how quickly the toxic mix of social media, narcissism and decadence can erode social capital.

Anyone who does not respect the basic rules of good citizenship does not deserve a place in the public debate. Vaccine refusers are mainly a symptom of the social media flare-up, which makes the corona crisis less of a health crisis but more of a citizenship crisis. If we should have a debate about anything, it should be about that.

I think this is an interesting notion and a fair call.

THANK YOU: That was well worth the read
and worth forwarding to sources dealing with those keeping us all at risk.

Boris said:

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/

Hoewel een debat over de inperking van vrijheden best gerechtvaardigd is, hebben vaccinweigeraars geen plek in dat debat. Zij vertegenwoordigen namelijk geen enkel redelijk belang. Hun uitsluiting is zelfgekozen en bedenkelijk bovendien, want op basis van religieus fanatisme of extreemrechtse complotdenkerij. De vrijheid om te kiezen betekent niet dat we blind hoeven te zijn voor de motieven van de weigeraars.

Het potsierlijke gejammer over discriminatie en ‘medische apartheid’ komt dan ook uitsluitend van de vaccinweigeraars zelf, aangevuld door een enkele opportunist die weliswaar zelf wél gevaccineerd is, maar een extreemrechtse of religieuze achterban te vriend wil houden, zoals SGP-leider Kees van der Staaij of Telegraaf-journalist Wierd Duk die, nadat hij aankondigde het vaccin te nemen, duizenden volgers kwijtraakte. Dat wil hij niet nog eens.

Het nemen van een vaccin is een zwart-witkeuze, je kunt je niet een beetje laten vaccineren. Wie tegen alle adviezen in dat vaccin niet neemt, kiest een kant. Een kant die bestaat uit mensen die weigeren mee te doen aan het grotere geheel, omdat hun altruïsme beperkt is tot mensen uit hetzelfde gezin of religie, of omdat ze door hun narcisme niet meer tot altruïsme in staat zijn.

Want narcisme, de voortdurende zelfobsessie gevoed door sociale media, is de werkelijke pandemie. Narcisme verklaart het fenomeen van jonge moeders die vanuit hun huiskamer vloggen over hun ‘strijd’ tegen een wereldelite en andere malloterie, alleen maar omdat andere idioten bereid zijn hun zelfverzonnen importantie te bevestigen. Narcisme verklaart waarom vaccinweigeraars zichzelf bovengemiddeld vaak als content maker zien, verstrikt in een web van zelfbevestiging en instantbevrediging.

Het is geen toeval dat de groep van niet-religieuze vaccinweigeraars wordt gedomineerd door mensen die sowieso al erg bezig waren met zelfontwikkeling, zelfhulp, eigenliefde en andere narcistische hobby’s. Corona is voor de dolende narcist een manier om als individualist toch nog eens de sensatie van een groepsidentiteit te voelen. Van het weigeren van een vaccin wordt een lifestyle gemaakt, een heuse strijd – #rugrecht! Eindelijk relevantie, eindelijk de sensatie een groep mensen te vertegenwoordigen!

Narcisme is de grootste vijand van burgerschap, omdat burgerschap vereist dat je oog hebt voor de redelijke belangen van een ander. Wanneer vaccinweigeraars in hun misplaatste slachtofferschap spreken over vrijheid, bedoelen ze vooral de vrijheid om het eigen narcisme te kunnen belijden, die bij hen vóórgaat op de vrijheid en veiligheid van de ander.

De coronavaccins zijn een lakmoesproef voor het sociale kapitaal en burgerschap in Nederland. Die waren en zijn in Nederland nog altijd groot, maar door de aan sociale media verbonden narcismepandemie groeit de groep mensen die het burgerschap verwerpt in een zorgelijk tempo. Dat zoiets relatief onbenulligs als een vaccin tegen een nieuwe ziekte al leidt tot complete gekte, laat zien hoe snel de giftige mix van sociale media, narcisme en decadentie het sociale kapitaal kunnen aantasten.

Wie de basisregels van het goed burgerschap niet respecteert, verdient ook geen plek in het publieke debat. Vaccinweigeraars zijn vooral een symptoom van de door sociale media opvlammende sociale rot, waarmee de coronacrisis steeds minder een gezondheidscrisis maar eerder een burgerschapscrisis is. Als we ergens eens debat over zouden moeten voeren, dan zou het dáárover moeten zijn.

calling p_p to the forum, translation needed.

I don’t think “needed” is the right word here.

Victoria records 941 new local COVID-19 cases and eight deaths
There are now 18,361 active cases of the virus in Victoria, and 326 people have died during the state’s current Delta outbreak.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/03/royal-melbourne-hospital-down-51-staff-who-wont-comply-with-covid-vaccine-mandate

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/
…/cut by me transition/…

>That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease…”

far as I know this is the first time ever a vaccine has been made available for a disease with a view to using broad vaccination as a way toward tolerance of endemic status, certainly of a pathogen so contagious, and on a global scale

and in some places a plan to introduce the disease

i’m not sure in what way that might be considered relatively trivial, i’m not even sure what relatively means used that way, other than perhaps encouraging a reader to indulge any convenient self-deception to dissolve discoverable untruths and absurdities in the proposition, a device that way, and really it shuts down consideration of the possibility it isn’t trivial, or relatively trivial

and there are crude associations used in the writly right-think, the use of narcissist as a swearword for example, probably it is the case that most narcissists went out and got vaccinated enthusiastically, who knows

subject crude associationism, as an applied model of how minds ought work, of the media machines, the machines are evolving, training the subjects, it’s more a mutual machine-level stupid

imagine a common theme of narcissists was they think in very relative ways in the social field, are unknowingly hostile toward others that way, trivializing the possibility of something different

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/
…/cut by me transition/…

>That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease…”

far as I know this is the first time ever a vaccine has been made available for a disease with a view to using broad vaccination as a way toward tolerance of endemic status, certainly of a pathogen so contagious, and on a global scale

and in some places a plan to introduce the disease

i’m not sure in what way that might be considered relatively trivial, i’m not even sure what relatively means used that way, other than perhaps encouraging a reader to indulge any convenient self-deception to dissolve discoverable untruths and absurdities in the proposition, a device that way, and really it shuts down consideration of the possibility it isn’t trivial, or relatively trivial

and there are crude associations used in the writly right-think, the use of narcissist as a swearword for example, probably it is the case that most narcissists went out and got vaccinated enthusiastically, who knows

subject crude associationism, as an applied model of how minds ought work, of the media machines, the machines are evolving, training the subjects, it’s more a mutual machine-level stupid

imagine a common theme of narcissists was they think in very relative ways in the social field, are unknowingly hostile toward others that way, trivializing the possibility of something different

Your comments on Covid matters are extremely mysterious, even by your normal standards.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/
…/cut by me transition/…

>That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease…”

far as I know this is the first time ever a vaccine has been made available for a disease with a view to using broad vaccination as a way toward tolerance of endemic status, certainly of a pathogen so contagious, and on a global scale

and in some places a plan to introduce the disease

i’m not sure in what way that might be considered relatively trivial, i’m not even sure what relatively means used that way, other than perhaps encouraging a reader to indulge any convenient self-deception to dissolve discoverable untruths and absurdities in the proposition, a device that way, and really it shuts down consideration of the possibility it isn’t trivial, or relatively trivial

and there are crude associations used in the writly right-think, the use of narcissist as a swearword for example, probably it is the case that most narcissists went out and got vaccinated enthusiastically, who knows

subject crude associationism, as an applied model of how minds ought work, of the media machines, the machines are evolving, training the subjects, it’s more a mutual machine-level stupid

imagine a common theme of narcissists was they think in very relative ways in the social field, are unknowingly hostile toward others that way, trivializing the possibility of something different

Your comments on Covid matters are extremely mysterious, even by your normal standards.

conspiracy theorists aren’t to be understood.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

De coronacrisis is inmiddels vooral een burgerschapscrisis

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/de-coronacrisis-is-inmiddels-vooral-een-burgerschapscrisis~b9521ea7/
…/cut by me transition/…

>That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease…”

far as I know this is the first time ever a vaccine has been made available for a disease with a view to using broad vaccination as a way toward tolerance of endemic status, certainly of a pathogen so contagious, and on a global scale

and in some places a plan to introduce the disease

i’m not sure in what way that might be considered relatively trivial, i’m not even sure what relatively means used that way, other than perhaps encouraging a reader to indulge any convenient self-deception to dissolve discoverable untruths and absurdities in the proposition, a device that way, and really it shuts down consideration of the possibility it isn’t trivial, or relatively trivial

and there are crude associations used in the writly right-think, the use of narcissist as a swearword for example, probably it is the case that most narcissists went out and got vaccinated enthusiastically, who knows

subject crude associationism, as an applied model of how minds ought work, of the media machines, the machines are evolving, training the subjects, it’s more a mutual machine-level stupid

imagine a common theme of narcissists was they think in very relative ways in the social field, are unknowingly hostile toward others that way, trivializing the possibility of something different

Your comments on Covid matters are extremely mysterious, even by your normal standards.

you ever noticed how quickly you understand things, that ought be mysterious to you, just for a moment, if you made time

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/03/royal-melbourne-hospital-down-51-staff-who-wont-comply-with-covid-vaccine-mandate

Good. Sorry other have to work harder, but we don’t need to be treated by narcissists who don’t think science-based medicine is any good.

Michael V said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/03/royal-melbourne-hospital-down-51-staff-who-wont-comply-with-covid-vaccine-mandate

Good. Sorry other have to work harder, but we don’t need to be treated by narcissists who don’t think science-based medicine is any good.

Surely they’ll have to work less hard now that they’re not pulling against the objectors and detractors and resisters.

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

>That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease…”

far as I know this is the first time ever a vaccine has been made available for a disease with a view to using broad vaccination as a way toward tolerance of endemic status, certainly of a pathogen so contagious, and on a global scale

and in some places a plan to introduce the disease

i’m not sure in what way that might be considered relatively trivial, i’m not even sure what relatively means used that way, other than perhaps encouraging a reader to indulge any convenient self-deception to dissolve discoverable untruths and absurdities in the proposition, a device that way, and really it shuts down consideration of the possibility it isn’t trivial, or relatively trivial

and there are crude associations used in the writly right-think, the use of narcissist as a swearword for example, probably it is the case that most narcissists went out and got vaccinated enthusiastically, who knows

subject crude associationism, as an applied model of how minds ought work, of the media machines, the machines are evolving, training the subjects, it’s more a mutual machine-level stupid

imagine a common theme of narcissists was they think in very relative ways in the social field, are unknowingly hostile toward others that way, trivializing the possibility of something different

Your comments on Covid matters are extremely mysterious, even by your normal standards.

you ever noticed how quickly you understand things, that ought be mysterious to you, just for a moment, if you made time

Have you noticed how people understand things written in short, simple, complete sentences?

Not opaque. No obfuscation.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

I still have no idea of the timing. So maybe I wasn’t there at the wrong time.

the smart people out there < ^ v > suggest that being in aerosol form it can hang around for hours if not days so as we know the “15 minutes” or whatever it is now is complete bullshit

keep up the N95+ masking and get the third shot and when we can talk

It’s going to be a pretty smart virus to be there in the supermarket before the person carrying it was in the supermarket.

we mean we agree it’s likely that ‘e’s safe but a SCIENCE person might consider that a simpler explanation for before is pretty stupid humans identifying the wrong carrier

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

>That something as relatively trivial as a vaccine against a new disease…”

far as I know this is the first time ever a vaccine has been made available for a disease with a view to using broad vaccination as a way toward tolerance of endemic status, certainly of a pathogen so contagious, and on a global scale

and in some places a plan to introduce the disease

i’m not sure in what way that might be considered relatively trivial, i’m not even sure what relatively means used that way, other than perhaps encouraging a reader to indulge any convenient self-deception to dissolve discoverable untruths and absurdities in the proposition, a device that way, and really it shuts down consideration of the possibility it isn’t trivial, or relatively trivial

and there are crude associations used in the writly right-think, the use of narcissist as a swearword for example, probably it is the case that most narcissists went out and got vaccinated enthusiastically, who knows

subject crude associationism, as an applied model of how minds ought work, of the media machines, the machines are evolving, training the subjects, it’s more a mutual machine-level stupid

imagine a common theme of narcissists was they think in very relative ways in the social field, are unknowingly hostile toward others that way, trivializing the possibility of something different

Your comments on Covid matters are extremely mysterious, even by your normal standards.

you ever noticed how quickly you understand things, that ought be mysterious to you, just for a moment, if you made time

Can’t say I have.

“There’ll be $10 meal discounts through Clubs Queensland for people who get their first dose. Details on which clubs and where to get the vouchers will be released tomorrow.”

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Is this to be retrospective? I hope so, but doubt it…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-03/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100589280

Michael V said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Your comments on Covid matters are extremely mysterious, even by your normal standards.

you ever noticed how quickly you understand things, that ought be mysterious to you, just for a moment, if you made time

Have you noticed how people understand things written in short, simple, complete sentences?

Not opaque. No obfuscation.

as you were with your rendering of social reality, don’t let it stop you when you bump into something not so easily represented in short, simple, complete sentences, to your liking, and I might ask how much of thought really works that way, other than correct thoughts maybe, projected

what I read referred to narcissism a lot, excessively in my opinion, centred around that, and while reading it I noticed it encouraged something I see in narcissist traits

sigh

SCIENCE said:

sigh

there there

Quick question – how would you get to Tassie with a car in these days of covid?

Stock up on nodoze and ice for the tweed to the Spirit of Tasmania stretch?

just for curiosity sake though

pirates hoping for buried treasure

transition said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

you ever noticed how quickly you understand things, that ought be mysterious to you, just for a moment, if you made time

Have you noticed how people understand things written in short, simple, complete sentences?

Not opaque. No obfuscation.

as you were with your rendering of social reality, don’t let it stop you when you bump into something not so easily represented in short, simple, complete sentences, to your liking, and I might ask how much of thought really works that way, other than correct thoughts maybe, projected

what I read referred to narcissism a lot, excessively in my opinion, centred around that, and while reading it I noticed it encouraged something I see in narcissist traits

I read your contributions several times, but still often cannot fathom them. I know I’m not very good at writing, so I spend quite some time re-reading and re-writing to try to make my thoughts clear. Even so, I frequently still make errors and lack clarity.

SCIENCE said:

pirates hoping for buried treasure

Did you write that?

Michael V said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

Have you noticed how people understand things written in short, simple, complete sentences?

Not opaque. No obfuscation.

as you were with your rendering of social reality, don’t let it stop you when you bump into something not so easily represented in short, simple, complete sentences, to your liking, and I might ask how much of thought really works that way, other than correct thoughts maybe, projected

what I read referred to narcissism a lot, excessively in my opinion, centred around that, and while reading it I noticed it encouraged something I see in narcissist traits

I read your contributions several times, but still often cannot fathom them. I know I’m not very good at writing, so I spend quite some time re-reading and re-writing to try to make my thoughts clear. Even so, I frequently still make errors and lack clarity.

It’s not just you

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

pirates hoping for buried treasure

Did you write that?

nah sorry it’s a transcript from interview

https://twitter.com/LizStokoe/status/1455657006740774917

Michael V said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

Have you noticed how people understand things written in short, simple, complete sentences?

Not opaque. No obfuscation.

as you were with your rendering of social reality, don’t let it stop you when you bump into something not so easily represented in short, simple, complete sentences, to your liking, and I might ask how much of thought really works that way, other than correct thoughts maybe, projected

what I read referred to narcissism a lot, excessively in my opinion, centred around that, and while reading it I noticed it encouraged something I see in narcissist traits

I read your contributions several times, but still often cannot fathom them. I know I’m not very good at writing, so I spend quite some time re-reading and re-writing to try to make my thoughts clear. Even so, I frequently still make errors and lack clarity.

of that translated, there are about ten references to narcissism, what was being explained improved none with each recursion of the word, and doubtful yours or my working concept of it improved any having read it over and over

Yeah well medicine was shit back in the 1990s so of course they wanted to vaccine prevent those diseases they didn’t know what they were talking about.

Laugh Out Loud

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anyway some blame us for all the good news so here’s some more

How To Live With COVID-19

oh wait they seem to be crushing it

In Communist ZeroCOVID CHINA, People Are Permanently Locked Down

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/01/shanghai-disneyland-suspends-entry-on-halloween-as-china-fights-covid.html

Which means they couldn’t possibly go to amusement parks and big gatherings, so this couldn’t be happening.

couldn’t

wait

SCIENCE said:

Yeah well medicine was shit back in the 1990s so of course they wanted to vaccine prevent those diseases they didn’t know what they were talking about.

communist

SCIENCE said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/01/shanghai-disneyland-suspends-entry-on-halloween-as-china-fights-covid.html

they couldn’t possibly go to amusement parks and big gatherings, so this couldn’t be happening.

In another “read what is said, then what is not said, and what is said but not said” message, here.

‘Treated like a piece of meat’: Family horrified to learn that Covid-19 victim’s body was dissected in front of live audience

Widow of WWII veteran says his live autopsy was akin to being ‘treated like a piece of meat in front of a paying audience’

The widow of a 98-year-old World War II veteran was “horrified” to learn his body was dissected in front of a live audience at a $500-a-ticket expo.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/david-saunders-autopsy-death-science-b1950946.html

dv said:

‘Treated like a piece of meat’: Family horrified to learn that Covid-19 victim’s body was dissected in front of live audience

Widow of WWII veteran says his live autopsy was akin to being ‘treated like a piece of meat in front of a paying audience’

The widow of a 98-year-old World War II veteran was “horrified” to learn his body was dissected in front of a live audience at a $500-a-ticket expo.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/david-saunders-autopsy-death-science-b1950946.html

People are very strange.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/after#it-takes-time-to-build-immunity said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

And Just Like That (Like Magic), DoubleVaxxed Are No Longer FullyVaxxed

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/tga-approves-covid-vaccine-booster-shots-for-over-18-year-olds/100571442

How long does it take for the second dose of a Pz vaccine to be really effective.

I have to take an elderly friend to get her second dose later this afternoon. She’s really keen to come visit us but she’s also a current lung cancer patient and I’m going to be telling her the vax needs some time to be effective. I just don’t know what it is.

it takes the 7 months until {the subsequent dose plus a few weeks} to be effective

“It takes 7 to 14 days after your second dose before you are fully* protected.”

*: 65%

good to see they’re being honest

VIC: 1,247 new local cases, nine deaths.

NSW: 308 new local cases, four deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100592210

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/03/germany-enveloped-in-massive-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,247 new local cases, nine deaths.

NSW: 308 new local cases, four deaths, 3 exports.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100592210

It Begins

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/qld-coronavirus-covid-new-cases-goondiwindi/100588700

Queensland has recorded three new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in Goondiwindi as the mayor of the southern border town says he is concerned about gatherings in northern New South Wales.

Mr Springborg told ABC Brisbane “from the information I have”, the positive COVID case was acquired interstate.

“This was not acquired in our town,” he said.

“It was most likely acquired at one of the significant number of gatherings over the border in Moree last week and over last weekend.

“Of course that’s a real concern for us because my information speaking to my colleagues across the border is that there is a very significant growing number of cases relating to those gatherings last week, of which I understand that there was a very large proportion of unvaccinated people.”

SCIENCE said:

Queensland has recorded three new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in Goondiwindi as the mayor of the southern border town says he is concerned about gatherings in northern New South Wales.

The invasion forces are massing at the border.

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,247 new local cases, nine deaths.

NSW: 308 new local cases, four deaths, 3 exports.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100592210

It Begins

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/qld-coronavirus-covid-new-cases-goondiwindi/100588700

Queensland has recorded three new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in Goondiwindi as the mayor of the southern border town says he is concerned about gatherings in northern New South Wales.

Mr Springborg told ABC Brisbane “from the information I have”, the positive COVID case was acquired interstate.

“This was not acquired in our town,” he said.

“It was most likely acquired at one of the significant number of gatherings over the border in Moree last week and over last weekend.

“Of course that’s a real concern for us because my information speaking to my colleagues across the border is that there is a very significant growing number of cases relating to those gatherings last week, of which I understand that there was a very large proportion of unvaccinated people.”

Bugger.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

VIC: 1,247 new local cases, nine deaths.

NSW: 308 new local cases, four deaths, 3 exports.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100592210

It Begins

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/qld-coronavirus-covid-new-cases-goondiwindi/100588700

Queensland has recorded three new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in Goondiwindi as the mayor of the southern border town says he is concerned about gatherings in northern New South Wales.

Mr Springborg told ABC Brisbane “from the information I have”, the positive COVID case was acquired interstate.

“This was not acquired in our town,” he said.

“It was most likely acquired at one of the significant number of gatherings over the border in Moree last week and over last weekend.

“Of course that’s a real concern for us because my information speaking to my colleagues across the border is that there is a very significant growing number of cases relating to those gatherings last week, of which I understand that there was a very large proportion of unvaccinated people.”

Bugger.

Yes, bugger indeed.
The invasion by the plague States.

Tamb said:

Yes, bugger indeed.
The invasion by the plague States.

Death no longer rides a pale horse.

He drives an urban assault vehicle, towing an ‘off road’ caravan.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

Yes, bugger indeed.
The invasion by the plague States.

Death no longer rides a pale horse.

He drives an urban assault vehicle, towing an ‘off road’ caravan.

And shouting Tourette Syndrome induced “Freedom”

“A NSW paramedic finds COVID-19 vaccine mandates “morally repugnant” due to his Roman Catholic faith and political conservatism, a Sydney court has heard.

Mr Larter, a Tumut paramedic of some 25 years and the Deputy Mayor of the Snowy Valleys Council, alternatively seeks exemption from vaccination on religious grounds.”

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I reckon he might get told to go away. The Pope strongly urges people to get vaccinated, calling it “an act of love.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/paramedic-john-larter-vaccine-mandate-court-case/100593778

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html

Michael V said:

“A NSW paramedic finds COVID-19 vaccine mandates “morally repugnant” due to his Roman Catholic faith and political conservatism, a Sydney court has heard.

Mr Larter, a Tumut paramedic of some 25 years and the Deputy Mayor of the Snowy Valleys Council, alternatively seeks exemption from vaccination on religious grounds.”

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I reckon he might get told to go away. The Pope strongly urges people to get vaccinated, calling it “an act of love.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/paramedic-john-larter-vaccine-mandate-court-case/100593778

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html

The general public finds the Catholic Churches mandates “morally repugnant” due to common decency and political progressivism , a Sydney court has heard.

Michael V said:

“A NSW paramedic finds COVID-19 vaccine mandates “morally repugnant” due to his Roman Catholic faith and political conservatism, a Sydney court has heard.

Mr Larter, a Tumut paramedic of some 25 years and the Deputy Mayor of the Snowy Valleys Council, alternatively seeks exemption from vaccination on religious grounds.”

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I reckon he might get told to go away. The Pope strongly urges people to get vaccinated, calling it “an act of love.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/paramedic-john-larter-vaccine-mandate-court-case/100593778

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2021-08/pope-francis-appeal-covid-19-vaccines-act-of-love.html

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

the broadcaster will be there for you through the transition of loyalties from elimination to endemic status, so that all might traverse the globe again and enjoy the borderless world

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

the broadcaster will be there for you through the transition of loyalties from elimination to endemic status, so that all might traverse the globe again and enjoy the borderless world

Enjoy the borderless world of the ICU.

Tamb said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

the broadcaster will be there for you through the transition of loyalties from elimination to endemic status, so that all might traverse the globe again and enjoy the borderless world

Enjoy the borderless world of the ICU.

yeah’s not pretty, the possibility

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

Margaret says that are are only just sayng that to see if they can scare more people into getting vaccinated.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

Margaret says that are are only just sayng that to see if they can scare more people into getting vaccinated.

Oh, it’s a good thing, then.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Goondiwindi on alert with more exposure sites set to come after Queensland records three new COVID cases
The Queensland border town of Goondiwindi is placed on alert with several COVID-19 exposure sites set to be announced after three new locally acquired cases are infectious in the community.’

The stain begins to seep across the border..

Margaret says that are are only just sayng that to see if they can scare more people into getting vaccinated.

Oh, it’s a good thing, then.

Mention to her about the Army of the 12 monkeys starting the entire event

best news yet, in the right thread

Deer Iowa Deer

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/science/deer-covid-infection.html

SCIENCE said:

best news yet, in the right thread

Deer Iowa Deer

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/science/deer-covid-infection.html

There was a dead deer on the free way entry ramp heading south at Casula yesterday. Ive never seen a deer around there before. It was there this morning bloated all up. It wasn’t there this afternoon.

This may or may not be related to Iowan white tailed deer.

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/03/germany-enveloped-in-massive-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

well at least nobody’s dying

note that’s not an official lockdown threat

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

SCIENCE said:

best news yet, in the right thread

Deer Iowa Deer

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/science/deer-covid-infection.html

There was a dead deer on the free way entry ramp heading south at Casula yesterday. Ive never seen a deer around there before. It was there this morning bloated all up. It wasn’t there this afternoon.

This may or may not be related to Iowan white tailed deer.

AFAIK, there are no white tailed deer iin Australia

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/03/germany-enveloped-in-massive-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

well at least nobody’s dying

note that’s not an official lockdown threat

their endemic contagion is trending in a worrying direction, they’ll need tweak that with more vaccines

this alarmist so-called expert tells us that aiming for endemic is aiming for masks forever being necessary

obviously ‘e’s wrong, what endemic proponents would prefer is lockdown, so that people won’t go anywhere to even need their masks

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

It Begins

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/qld-coronavirus-covid-new-cases-goondiwindi/100588700

Queensland has recorded three new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in Goondiwindi as the mayor of the southern border town says he is concerned about gatherings in northern New South Wales.

Bugger.

Yes, bugger indeed.
The invasion by the plague States.

It’s Raining It’s Pouring

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-04/covid-case-katherine-lockdown-darwin-lockout/100596256

The Northern Territory has recorded its first ever case of COVID-19 community transmission, prompting a three-day lockdown in the Katherine area from midnight on Friday morning.

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Never too late to buy into N95 territory.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Never too late to buy into N95 territory.

She’s got enough masks to last many thousands of years
.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Never too late to buy into N95 territory.

She’s got enough masks to last many thousands of years
.

SEWAGE DETECTIONS

Fragments of the virus that causes COVID-19 have recently been detected in sewage in Wagga Wagga (Narrung Street), Albury, Holbrook, Griffith and West Wyalong.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Never too late to buy into N95 territory.

She’s got enough masks to last many thousands of years
.

Well here’s to keeping the virus out.

Every schoolteacher in our close family is kitted out with a selection of N95+ for their work. The students are fine. They have no problem with masked educators.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Never too late to buy into N95 territory.

She’s got enough masks to last many thousands of years
.

Well here’s to keeping the virus out.

Every schoolteacher in our close family is kitted out with a selection of N95+ for their work. The students are fine. They have no problem with masked educators.

:) That’s what schools are for. Education.

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Bugger. Do you intend to isolate too?

Victoria: 1,343 local cases, 10 deaths

NSW: 249 local cases, three deaths

NT: Residents of Darwin and Katherine have been ordered into a 72 hour lockdown. It began at midnight after the Northern Territory recorded its first case of community transmission of COVID-19.

An unvaccinated man in his 20s tested positive in Katherine after spending time in the community in Darwin, the city’s rural fringe and Katherine.

Fully vaccinated people will be required to wear a mask when outdoors, while unvaccinated people will be subject to full lockdown restrictions with only five reasons to leave their homes.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100595942

Just like all those other countries doing oh so well these days, we have our very own little figures cooker¡

Dozens of COVID-19 patients in Victoria’s intensive care units are missing from official figures, as the state’s health department fails to publicly report those who are lingering in hospital, including some of the most gravely ill. A person in Victoria is typically declared “COVID cleared” if they have been in hospital for 20 days and they no longer need to be placed in an isolation ward. Patients who are no longer considered infectious with the virus are not counted in official figures, despite them sometimes needing weeks of additional ongoing care in intensive care units and occupying a bed that may be needed for a stroke, heart attack, cancer, emergency surgery or trauma patient.

sign up for more tricks like counting only deaths within D days, dismissing preexisting, bypassing testing, separating asymptomatic, reinfection doesn’t happen, et cetera

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Bugger. Do you intend to isolate too?

I thought that they recently changed the rules to everyone in the household is to isolate.

SCIENCE said:

Just like all those other countries doing oh so well these days, we have our very own little figures cooker¡

Dozens of COVID-19 patients in Victoria’s intensive care units are missing from official figures, as the state’s health department fails to publicly report those who are lingering in hospital, including some of the most gravely ill. A person in Victoria is typically declared “COVID cleared” if they have been in hospital for 20 days and they no longer need to be placed in an isolation ward. Patients who are no longer considered infectious with the virus are not counted in official figures, despite them sometimes needing weeks of additional ongoing care in intensive care units and occupying a bed that may be needed for a stroke, heart attack, cancer, emergency surgery or trauma patient.

sign up for more tricks like counting only deaths within D days, dismissing preexisting, bypassing testing, separating asymptomatic, reinfection doesn’t happen, et cetera

That, if true, is criminal.

Morning Fridays. :)

19.2C & 62% indoors
18.5C & 66% outdoors

It’s a very day today. Very cloudy, very windless and likely very moollieless.

Headed for 22C.

SCIENCE said:

It is a little strange that these objections to fancy titles only ever seem to be directed at wimmin.

Maybe she should change her name to Kim, and use a blokes photo.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Mrs rb has been told to stay home and isolate as a member of the Griffith Public School has tested positive.

Bugger. Do you intend to isolate too?

I do that most of the time anyway.

Bogsnorkler said:

false flag baby george

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

false flag baby george

Quite a number of professionals sooking about it being mandatory for their job.
OK fair enough if you as an individual have a history of bad reactions to vaccines but otherwise just suck it up.
It’s ironic when many of them are in a profession relating to law/policing or medicine were many things are mandatory if you agree with it or not.
You can refuse any or all medical treatment if you wish but in Australia childhood vaccines are tied into government payments, school/daycare attendance and I bet nurses/doctors would call out parents not wanting to get their child vaccinated.

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

false flag baby george

Fair call.

Remember how fucking geniuses told us last year that having skipped a ‘flu’ season one year, we’d be fucked for the next because there wouldn’t be any immunity, blah blah blah¿

Laugh Out Loud Sixteen All Year Fucking Laugh Out Loud

But wait … there’s more … ¡

Apparently this pneumonia thing continues to happen unirregardless of the absence of ‘flu’ (go on then exclude all 16 cases), now isn’t that interesting, maybe ‘flu’ is actually even less deadly than we thought¡

SCIENCE said:

Remember how fucking geniuses told us last year that having skipped a ‘flu’ season one year, we’d be fucked for the next because there wouldn’t be any immunity, blah blah blah¿

Laugh Out Loud Sixteen All Year Fucking Laugh Out Loud

But wait … there’s more … ¡

Apparently this pneumonia thing continues to happen unirregardless of the absence of ‘flu’ (go on then exclude all 16 cases), now isn’t that interesting, maybe ‘flu’ is actually even less deadly than we thought¡

Maybe they already knew that pneumonia cases are not dependent on flu.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Remember how fucking geniuses told us last year that having skipped a ‘flu’ season one year, we’d be fucked for the next because there wouldn’t be any immunity, blah blah blah¿

Laugh Out Loud Sixteen All Year Fucking Laugh Out Loud

But wait … there’s more … ¡

Apparently this pneumonia thing continues to happen unirregardless of the absence of ‘flu’ (go on then exclude all 16 cases), now isn’t that interesting, maybe ‘flu’ is actually even less deadly than we thought¡

Maybe they already knew that pneumonia cases are not dependent on flu.

Well yes they do mention bacteria and other viruses but point is that ‘flu’ is getting smashed, and the “you’ll have a bad season to make up for it” crowd are probably hanging out for next year. Hopefully they’ll be hung out drying for next year every year.

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Remember how fucking geniuses told us last year that having skipped a ‘flu’ season one year, we’d be fucked for the next because there wouldn’t be any immunity, blah blah blah¿

Laugh Out Loud Sixteen All Year Fucking Laugh Out Loud

But wait … there’s more … ¡

Apparently this pneumonia thing continues to happen unirregardless of the absence of ‘flu’ (go on then exclude all 16 cases), now isn’t that interesting, maybe ‘flu’ is actually even less deadly than we thought¡

Maybe they already knew that pneumonia cases are not dependent on flu.

Well yes they do mention bacteria and other viruses but point is that ‘flu’ is getting smashed, and the “you’ll have a bad season to make up for it” crowd are probably hanging out for next year. Hopefully they’ll be hung out drying for next year every year.

I suppose it depends on how long an effective degree of social distancing, hand washing etc continues.

My older sister (who rarely goes anywhere these days) had a bout of flu this year and a long string of colds with little break in between. But she has a compromised immune system and her husband is a manager who continually mixes with loads of people and brings the germs home.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Maybe they already knew that pneumonia cases are not dependent on flu.

Well yes they do mention bacteria and other viruses but point is that ‘flu’ is getting smashed, and the “you’ll have a bad season to make up for it” crowd are probably hanging out for next year. Hopefully they’ll be hung out drying for next year every year.

I suppose it depends on how long an effective degree of social distancing, hand washing etc continues.

My older sister (who rarely goes anywhere these days) had a bout of flu this year and a long string of colds with little break in between. But she has a compromised immune system and her husband is a manager who continually mixes with loads of people and brings the germs home.

don’t forget the masks as part of that “etc”, they’re a bigger part of effective than most others including measures specifically mentioned, the masks cut the dose down to something that mightn’t infect at all, or might actually cause mild disease and have immune benefits without the nasty

—

anyway you’ll all remember how we were Laughing Out Loud at Your ABC for being days late on this story but here, these fellas have the story weeks late

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/04/flu-deaths-drop-dramatically-in-australia-due-to-covid-measures-with-one-type-possibly-eliminated

perhaps of minor note they mention

Last summer, Australian hospitals noted unseasonably high rates of respiratory syncytial virus in children.

but they also fail to mention that area-under-curve is similar to “usual” seasons and the main thing that happened was there was no curve-fattening from “prior immunity” and BOOM all at once

nice

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/victorian-hospital-data-ahead-of-covid-surge/100597092

The Victorian government will spend $307 million on preparing the state’s public hospitals for an expected increase in COVID-19 patients.

couple of minutes of that JobKeeper scam

SCIENCE said:

Remember how fucking geniuses told us last year that having skipped a ‘flu’ season one year, we’d be fucked for the next because there wouldn’t be any immunity, blah blah blah¿

UK we think, not former-yet-current-colony-annexed-by-DPRNA

Has any country started to vaccinate the under 12s?

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Just like all those other countries doing oh so well these days, we have our very own little figures cooker¡

Dozens of COVID-19 patients in Victoria’s intensive care units are missing from official figures, as the state’s health department fails to publicly report those who are lingering in hospital, including some of the most gravely ill. A person in Victoria is typically declared “COVID cleared” if they have been in hospital for 20 days and they no longer need to be placed in an isolation ward. Patients who are no longer considered infectious with the virus are not counted in official figures, despite them sometimes needing weeks of additional ongoing care in intensive care units and occupying a bed that may be needed for a stroke, heart attack, cancer, emergency surgery or trauma patient.

sign up for more tricks like counting only deaths within D days, dismissing preexisting, bypassing testing, separating asymptomatic, reinfection doesn’t happen, et cetera

That, if true, is criminal.

more so-called experts, therefore probably lying

sibeen said:

Has any country started to vaccinate the under 12s?

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Has any country started to vaccinate the under 12s?

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Has any country started to vaccinate the under 12s?

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

if you’re after the lethal effects of vaccines, you should be looking at recent deaths

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

Has any country started to vaccinate the under 12s?

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

I have it on good authority that Moscow’s stats are completely accurate. Thanks Moll.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

if you’re after the lethal effects of vaccines, you should be looking at recent deaths

OK then.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

I have it on good authority that Moscow’s stats are completely accurate. Thanks Moll.

sucker!

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

yes and now they’re at the top of the infections table and about to knock Russia to 2nd place for deaths

coincidence ¿ we think not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKPPtbE7JX4

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

I have it on good authority that Moscow’s stats are completely accurate. Thanks Moll.

Lying achieves nothing everyone bar a few nations have done quite terrible in relation to containment and death reduction.
Its interesting the 5 permanent members of the UN security council feature in this list (doing poorly), except for China and that assuming they aren’t lying

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

?

You have some secret information on Russia?

Worldometer says they are nowhere near top for cases or deaths.

I have it on good authority that Moscow’s stats are completely accurate. Thanks Moll.

Lying achieves nothing everyone bar a few nations have done quite terrible in relation to containment and death reduction.
Its interesting the 5 permanent members of the UN security council feature in this list (doing poorly), except for China and that assuming they aren’t lying

I wouldn’t trust the Chinese government even if they told me today was Friday.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I have it on good authority that Moscow’s stats are completely accurate. Thanks Moll.

Lying achieves nothing everyone bar a few nations have done quite terrible in relation to containment and death reduction.
Its interesting the 5 permanent members of the UN security council feature in this list (doing poorly), except for China and that assuming they aren’t lying

I wouldn’t trust the Chinese government even if they told me today was Friday.

No, it proves perhaps the boss nations are only that in military and economic might but when if comes down to social care and looking after their population they are at the bottom.
We can blow things up and kill people but not much else

party_pants said:

I wouldn’t trust the Chinese government even if they told me today was Friday.

If the Chinese government called FNDC you’d say “No thanks, I never touch the stuff.”

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I wouldn’t trust the Chinese government even if they told me today was Friday.

If the Chinese government called FNDC you’d say “No thanks, I never touch the stuff.”

And that’d be lying…

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I wouldn’t trust the Chinese government even if they told me today was Friday.

If the Chinese government called FNDC you’d say “No thanks, I never touch the stuff.”

Not quite, I’d independently go off and check that it was indeed a Friday before joining in.

The NT government caught out lying…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/nt-government-removes-regional-covid-vaccine-figures/100597514

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I have it on good authority that Moscow’s stats are completely accurate. Thanks Moll.

Lying achieves nothing everyone bar a few nations have done quite terrible in relation to containment and death reduction.
Its interesting the 5 permanent members of the UN security council feature in this list (doing poorly), except for China and that assuming they aren’t lying

I wouldn’t trust the Chinese government even if they told me today was Friday.

It’s like negotiating with the Taliban.

big deal it’s not like people are dying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/europe-grave-concern-500k-covid-deaths-surge/100596398

SCIENCE said:

big deal it’s not like people are dying

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-05/europe-grave-concern-500k-covid-deaths-surge/100596398

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-01/five-million-covid19-deaths-but-real-toll-hidden/100568156
just reading that^

I have a question. Why do people have to show photo ID with their vax certificate if using a paper one, but don’t need photo ID if using a phone/electronic one?

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/get-your-covid-19-vaccine-certificate

buffy said:

I have a question. Why do people have to show photo ID with their vax certificate if using a paper one, but don’t need photo ID if using a phone/electronic one?

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/get-your-covid-19-vaccine-certificate

Presumably because you need a verified account of some kind to get the digital ID.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I have a question. Why do people have to show photo ID with their vax certificate if using a paper one, but don’t need photo ID if using a phone/electronic one?

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/get-your-covid-19-vaccine-certificate

Presumably because you need a verified account of some kind to get the digital ID.

…I mean digital certificate :)

Oxford Scientists Find Gene That Doubles Risk of Dying From Covid-19
By Suzi Ring

5 November 2021, 03:00
- Gene prevents the lungs from responding to the virus properly -About 60% of people with South Asian ancestry have gene

Scientists identified a specific gene that doubles the risk of respiratory failure from Covid-19 and may go some way to explaining why some ethnic groups are more susceptible to severe disease than others.

Researchers from the University of Oxford found that a higher-risk version of the gene most likely prevents the cells lining airways and the lungs from responding to the virus properly. About 60% of people with South Asian ancestry carry this version of the gene, compared with 15% of people with European heritage, according to the study published Thursday.

The findings help explain why higher rates of hospitalization and death may have been seen in certain communities and on the Indian subcontinent. The authors cautioned that the gene cannot be used as a sole explanation as many other factors, such as socioeconomic conditions, play a role. Despite a significant impact from the virus to people with Afro-Caribbean ancestry, only 2% carry the higher-risk genotype.

People with the gene, known as LZTFL1, would particularly benefit from vaccination, which remains the best method of protection, the authors said. The findings raise the possibility of research into treatments specific to patients with this gene, though no tailored drugs are currently available.

This “shows that the way in which the lung responds to the infection is critical,” said James Davies, co-lead author and associate professor of genomics at Oxford, who worked in intensive care during the pandemic. “This is important because most treatments have focused on changing the way in which the immune system reacts to the virus.”

Davies and his colleagues found the gene using artificial intelligence and cutting-edge molecular technology. The team trained an algorithm to analyze large quantities of genetic data from hundreds of types of cells all over the body, and then used a new technique that allowed them to hone in on the DNA behind this specific genetic signal.

All other things being equal, “if you have the higher-risk genotype and you get very unwell with Covid, there’s a 50% chance that that wouldn’t have happened to you had you had the lower-risk genotype,” Davies said on a briefing with reporters Thursday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-04/scientists-find-gene-that-doubles-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I have a question. Why do people have to show photo ID with their vax certificate if using a paper one, but don’t need photo ID if using a phone/electronic one?

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/get-your-covid-19-vaccine-certificate

Presumably because you need a verified account of some kind to get the digital ID.

Well you also need to be ID’d to get the printed ones. You get it from your GP/pharmacist, after they have ascertained who you are, Medicare card etc. (Or you get a reliable online friend to download it for you and email it to you and then you print it out yourself) I don’t actually think a paper one is easier to fake than a digital one these days.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

I have a question. Why do people have to show photo ID with their vax certificate if using a paper one, but don’t need photo ID if using a phone/electronic one?

https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/get-your-covid-19-vaccine-certificate

Presumably because you need a verified account of some kind to get the digital ID.

Well you also need to be ID’d to get the printed ones. You get it from your GP/pharmacist, after they have ascertained who you are, Medicare card etc. (Or you get a reliable online friend to download it for you and email it to you and then you print it out yourself) I don’t actually think a paper one is easier to fake than a digital one these days.

how do people know that you are the person who that paper cert applies to without ID?

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Presumably because you need a verified account of some kind to get the digital ID.

Well you also need to be ID’d to get the printed ones. You get it from your GP/pharmacist, after they have ascertained who you are, Medicare card etc. (Or you get a reliable online friend to download it for you and email it to you and then you print it out yourself) I don’t actually think a paper one is easier to fake than a digital one these days.

how do people know that you are the person who that paper cert applies to without ID?

How many door people are going to actually take the time to look any further than the tick? Same thing applies with a phone – how do you know that phone belongs to that person? Perfectly possible for several people to use one phone and hand it back out over the fence or something, if they were so inclined.

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Well you also need to be ID’d to get the printed ones. You get it from your GP/pharmacist, after they have ascertained who you are, Medicare card etc. (Or you get a reliable online friend to download it for you and email it to you and then you print it out yourself) I don’t actually think a paper one is easier to fake than a digital one these days.

how do people know that you are the person who that paper cert applies to without ID?

How many door people are going to actually take the time to look any further than the tick? Same thing applies with a phone – how do you know that phone belongs to that person? Perfectly possible for several people to use one phone and hand it back out over the fence or something, if they were so inclined.

why bother with any ID or security then as all can be circumvented with varying degrees of difficulties.

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

how do people know that you are the person who that paper cert applies to without ID?

How many door people are going to actually take the time to look any further than the tick? Same thing applies with a phone – how do you know that phone belongs to that person? Perfectly possible for several people to use one phone and hand it back out over the fence or something, if they were so inclined.

why bother with any ID or security then as all can be circumvented with varying degrees of difficulties.

most people aren’t that smart or dishonest.

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

How many door people are going to actually take the time to look any further than the tick? Same thing applies with a phone – how do you know that phone belongs to that person? Perfectly possible for several people to use one phone and hand it back out over the fence or something, if they were so inclined.

why bother with any ID or security then as all can be circumvented with varying degrees of difficulties.

most people aren’t that smart or dishonest.

Buffy is bioth.

buffy said:

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

Well you also need to be ID’d to get the printed ones. You get it from your GP/pharmacist, after they have ascertained who you are, Medicare card etc. (Or you get a reliable online friend to download it for you and email it to you and then you print it out yourself) I don’t actually think a paper one is easier to fake than a digital one these days.

how do people know that you are the person who that paper cert applies to without ID?

How many door people are going to actually take the time to look any further than the tick? Same thing applies with a phone – how do you know that phone belongs to that person? Perfectly possible for several people to use one phone and hand it back out over the fence or something, if they were so inclined.

Much easier to take a piece of paper with you everywhere, every day, than someone else’s phone.

Also, not many vaccinated people would be inclined to lend their phones to anti-vaxxers.

https://youtu.be/5wRDLf54Scs

Shaun discusses antivax misinformation, using Jimmy Dore as an example

dv said:

https://youtu.be/5wRDLf54Scs

Shaun discusses antivax misinformation, using Jimmy Dore as an example

Yeah, I like Jimmy’s politics but he went complete nut on this one. Same with Rogan. The “I survived, how bad could it be” fallacy.

dv said:

https://youtu.be/5wRDLf54Scs

Shaun discusses antivax misinformation, using Jimmy Dore as an example

there’s some really good stuff in there, watched about half of it, need go to bed now, continue watching in the morn

I think some of what’s happening, re subject immunization toward endemic covid status (dissolved pandemic status, that way), is that the transition requires overcoming peoples objections to a policy of endemic status

many people in fact object to a policy of endemic covid

so if you simplified that proposition, you might ask a person are you pro endemic covid, or anti endemic covid? (latter pro elimination, or good as)

most of the language provided (force of media etc) is for acceptance, for pro endemic covid, so departures from that might be grouped as antivax, adverse attention that way

a person with an anti endemic covid position might be deprived the language to articulate, or even think the thought, that a pro vaccine position goes very well with an anti endemic position

most people don’t want endemic covid, it’s not a minor nuisance even with near 100% vaccination

Vaccine efficacy from a whole population study from Sweden (because they have very detailed data on the population)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

“Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study”

“Interpretation: Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic Covid-19 infection wanes progressively over time across all subgroups, but at different rate according to type of vaccine, and faster for men and older frail individuals. The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose.”

Remember it’s a preprint, so not yet fully peer reviewed. It basically says the vaccine effect doesn’t last particularly long.

buffy said:

Vaccine efficacy from a whole population study from Sweden (because they have very detailed data on the population)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

“Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study”

“Interpretation: Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic Covid-19 infection wanes progressively over time across all subgroups, but at different rate according to type of vaccine, and faster for men and older frail individuals. The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose.”

Remember it’s a preprint, so not yet fully peer reviewed. It basically says the vaccine effect doesn’t last particularly long.

Its looking like boosters every 6 or 12 months.

Pfizer says antiviral pill cuts risk of severe COVID-19 by nearly 90 per cent
By Deena Beasley
November 5, 2021 — 10.07pm

A trial of Pfizer Inc’s experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 was stopped early after the drug was shown to cut by 89 per cent the chances of hospitalisation or death for adults at risk of developing severe disease, the company said on Friday.

The results appear to surpass those seen with Merck & Co Inc’s pill molnupiravir, which was shown last month to halve the likelihood of dying or being hospitalised for COVID-19 patients also at high risk of serious illness.

Read More:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/pfizer-says-antiviral-pill-cuts-risk-of-severe-covid-19-by-nearly-90-per-cent-20211105-p596it.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘A trial of Pfizer Inc’s experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 was stopped early after the drug was shown to cut by 89 per cent the chances of hospitalisation or death for adults at risk of developing severe disease, the company said on Friday.’

What, they quit while the numbers looked good, in case anything ‘nasty’ should develop in the later stages of the trial?

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘A trial of Pfizer Inc’s experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 was stopped early after the drug was shown to cut by 89 per cent the chances of hospitalisation or death for adults at risk of developing severe disease, the company said on Friday.’

What, they quit while the numbers looked good, in case anything ‘nasty’ should develop in the later stages of the trial?

I’m not the pope of Pfizer.

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Vaccine efficacy from a whole population study from Sweden (because they have very detailed data on the population)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

“Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study”

“Interpretation: Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic Covid-19 infection wanes progressively over time across all subgroups, but at different rate according to type of vaccine, and faster for men and older frail individuals. The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose.”

Remember it’s a preprint, so not yet fully peer reviewed. It basically says the vaccine effect doesn’t last particularly long.

Its looking like boosters every 6 or 12 months.

But they will need to be tailored to new variants. No good just boosting on the alpha.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘A trial of Pfizer Inc’s experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 was stopped early after the drug was shown to cut by 89 per cent the chances of hospitalisation or death for adults at risk of developing severe disease, the company said on Friday.’

What, they quit while the numbers looked good, in case anything ‘nasty’ should develop in the later stages of the trial?

Apparently the vaccines were only “tested” for a couple of months too – which is one reason they were amongst the speediest vaccines ever released. You could say the same about them.

And hello, Witty!

;)

Well Mrs rb has been deemed not a close contact of concern.
Though the numbers of cases have increased and that school is still closed.
She’s free to teach at a different school Monday.

Bugger. I thought I had a weekend free of her.

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Vaccine efficacy from a whole population study from Sweden (because they have very detailed data on the population)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

“Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study”

“Interpretation: Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic Covid-19 infection wanes progressively over time across all subgroups, but at different rate according to type of vaccine, and faster for men and older frail individuals. The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose.”

Remember it’s a preprint, so not yet fully peer reviewed. It basically says the vaccine effect doesn’t last particularly long.

Its looking like boosters every 6 or 12 months.

But they will need to be tailored to new variants. No good just boosting on the alpha.

Maybe not, new variants will become less frequent as vaccination rates rise.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its looking like boosters every 6 or 12 months.

But they will need to be tailored to new variants. No good just boosting on the alpha.

Maybe not, new variants will become less frequent as vaccination rates rise.

This is to be expected, yes?

transition said:

dv said:

https://youtu.be/5wRDLf54Scs

Shaun discusses antivax misinformation, using Jimmy Dore as an example

there’s some really good stuff in there, watched about half of it, need go to bed now, continue watching in the morn

I think some of what’s happening, re subject immunization toward endemic covid status (dissolved pandemic status, that way), is that the transition requires overcoming peoples objections to a policy of endemic status

many people in fact object to a policy of endemic covid

so if you simplified that proposition, you might ask a person are you pro endemic covid, or anti endemic covid? (latter pro elimination, or good as)

most of the language provided (force of media etc) is for acceptance, for pro endemic covid, so departures from that might be grouped as antivax, adverse attention that way

a person with an anti endemic covid position might be deprived the language to articulate, or even think the thought, that a pro vaccine position goes very well with an anti endemic position

most people don’t want endemic covid, it’s not a minor nuisance even with near 100% vaccination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wRDLf54Scs
Jimmy Dore’s Anti-Vaccine Lies

finished watching that^, really good

Case numbers:

Vic: 1,268 new cases, seven deaths

NSW: 270 new cases, three deaths

ACT: 18 new cases

Qld: One new case

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/covid-blog-saturday-november-6/100599472

New Zealand records 206 new COVID-19 cases.

In a statement, the Health Ministry said there were 200 cases in Auckland, four in Waikato and two in Northland.

The ministry said 159 are yet to be linked to earlier cases, with 623 unlinked cases in the past 14 days.

There are now 73 people in hospital with the coronavirus, including seven in intensive care.

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That NSW export is certainly expanding…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/covid-blog-saturday-november-6/100599472

What Do We Do When One Country Successfully Makes COVID-19 As Lethal As A Mild ‘flu’ ¿ Cast Doubt On Them, Obviously

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/china-low-coronavirus-death-toll/100587910

SCIENCE said:

What Do We Do When One Country Successfully Makes COVID-19 As Lethal As A Mild ‘flu’ ¿ Cast Doubt On Them, Obviously

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/china-low-coronavirus-death-toll/100587910

good on them, well done china, the people of

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

What Do We Do When One Country Successfully Makes COVID-19 As Lethal As A Mild ‘flu’ ¿ Cast Doubt On Them, Obviously

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/china-low-coronavirus-death-toll/100587910

good on them, well done china, the people of

Chinese people had naught to do with it. All praise to the glorious CCP.

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

What Do We Do When One Country Successfully Makes COVID-19 As Lethal As A Mild ‘flu’ ¿ Cast Doubt On Them, Obviously

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/china-low-coronavirus-death-toll/100587910

good on them, well done china, the people of

Chinese people had naught to do with it. All praise to the glorious CCP.

well done people of china

What a goose…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-03/doctor-withdraws-legal-action-on-mandatory-vaccines/100590552

British scientists have identified a version of a gene that may be associated with double the risk of lung failure from COVID-19, a finding that provides new insights into why some people are more susceptible than others to severe illness and which opens possibilities for targeted medicine.

The high-risk genetic variant is in a chromosome region that is also tied to double the risk of death in COVID-19 patients under age 60.

Around 60% of people with South Asian ancestry carry the high-risk version of the gene, researchers at Oxford University said on Friday, adding the discovery may partly explain the high number of deaths seen in some British communities, and the devastation wrought by COVID-19 in the Indian subcontinent.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/gene-linked-doubling-risk-covid-19-death-found-by-uk-scientists-2021-11-05/

fsm said:

British scientists have identified a version of a gene that may be associated with double the risk of lung failure from COVID-19, a finding that provides new insights into why some people are more susceptible than others to severe illness and which opens possibilities for targeted medicine.

The high-risk genetic variant is in a chromosome region that is also tied to double the risk of death in COVID-19 patients under age 60.

Around 60% of people with South Asian ancestry carry the high-risk version of the gene, researchers at Oxford University said on Friday, adding the discovery may partly explain the high number of deaths seen in some British communities, and the devastation wrought by COVID-19 in the Indian subcontinent.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/gene-linked-doubling-risk-covid-19-death-found-by-uk-scientists-2021-11-05/

sounds like good news for letting it rip, the superior race should survive and the dirty immigrants who have been stealing jobs can grab some SARS-CoV-2 instead and enjoy, survival of the fittest as a great British naturalist once said

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-07/syphilis-spread-sexually-transmitted-infections-wa/100599118

who fucking cares, it only affects remote areas with high Indigenous populations

we mean who kneads fucking barrier protection anyway

The ACT has recorded 13 new COVID-19 cases, as the territory becomes the first Australian jurisdiction to fully* vaccinate 95 per cent of its eligible population.

—

*: 67%

seems like relying on poorly effective vaccines has fixed that new cases problem

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-07/apparently-police-statists-take-personal-responsibility-more-seriously-than-free-speakers-and-freedom-righters/100575202

Seems like sunshine luck never ends eh, https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-07/qld-coronavirus-covid-no-new-community-cases/100598260 no new community cases eh, first dose rate was now at 73 per cent.

Remember of course that fully vaccinated (for now) is 3 doses.

Are we heading to a 6th wave?

dv said:

Are we heading to a 6th wave?

Moll called it the other day.

dv said:

Are we heading to a 6th wave?

Moll called it the other day.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Are we heading to a 6th wave?

Moll called it the other day.

Moll called it the other day.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Are we heading to a 6th wave?

Moll called it the other day.

I did?

Oh yes, I did.

Which countries?
A big increase in new cases throughout Europe in the past month. In particular, from OurWorldInData:

Russia and Bulgaria are both currently running at 70% excess mortality, ie. 1.7 times as many people dying now than at this time in a typical year. That’s a lot ! Russia up from 45% a month ago. Uzbekistan and Lithuania both running at 60% excess mortality.

The case fatality rate (a crude approximation to mortality rate) of the new wave looks sort of the same as the previous wave in every country.

Thankfully, the case fatality rate in Peru is way down, but the Peru strain with its high mortality >9% rate may survive in Mexico and parts of Africa.

These numbers will underestimate mortality rate when case numbers are rising (eg. Germany) and overestimate mortality rate when case numbers are falling. It’s encouraging that the world average case fatality rate is now only 1.64%. Some typical case fatality rates are as follows:

Niger 8.2%
Egypt 6.8%
Mexico 6.6%
Bosnia 4.7%
Paraguay 4.7%
Tunisia 4.2%
Indonesia 3.2%
Russia 3.2%
Hungary 2.8%
Japan 2.5%
India 2.5%
Brazil 2.0%
US 1.65%
World average 1.64%
PNG 1.43%
Korea 1.1%
Germany 0.7%
Australia 0.6%
Nigeria 0.55%
UK 0.4%
Singapore 0.3%

Seems reassuring that despite the Corruption Coalition NotARacing ahead with things, 173000 Real Australians who care about health and wellbeing and even looking out for others have gone ahead and actually gone to get themselves fully* vaccinated.

*: for now

While today marks the formal beginning of the booster program, as of Saturday more than 173,000 boosters had already been administered.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/australia-covid-booster-vaccination-program-begins-today/100601820

But the Health Minister Greg Hunt said while two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine provided “very good protection, especially against severe disease”, the vaccine’s ability to prevent transmission waned over time. “A booster dose, six or more months after the second dose, will make sure that the protection from the first doses is even stronger and longer lasting and should help prevent spread of the virus,” Mr Hunt said in a statement.

Oh Wait What Was That Are We Actually Trying To Reduce The Spread Of A Virus, Oh, Are We Secretly Trying To Decrease It Enough To Not Exponentially Grow, If It Isn’t Exponentially Growing Then Are We So Perfect We Can Get It To The Constant R Equals One Or Maybe We Are Secretly Eliminating But We Can’t Say It Because It’s Not Sexy With The Pro-Forever-COVID-19 Crowd

Dirty Western Australian

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-066768

Reduction in life expectancy in men and women was observed in all the countries studied except New Zealand, Taiwan, and Norway, where there was a gain in life expectancy in 2020. No evidence was found of a change in life expectancy in Denmark, Iceland, and South Korea.

NSW: 187 local cases and seven deaths

VIC: 1,126 local cases and five deaths

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/covid-news-you-need-from-across-australia-november-8/100601804

SCIENCE said:

Seems reassuring that despite the Corruption Coalition NotARacing ahead with things, 173000 Real Australians who care about health and wellbeing and even looking out for others have gone ahead and actually gone to get themselves fully* vaccinated.

*: for now

While today marks the formal beginning of the booster program, as of Saturday more than 173,000 boosters had already been administered.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/australia-covid-booster-vaccination-program-begins-today/100601820

But the Health Minister Greg Hunt said while two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine provided “very good protection, especially against severe disease”, the vaccine’s ability to prevent transmission waned over time. “A booster dose, six or more months after the second dose, will make sure that the protection from the first doses is even stronger and longer lasting and should help prevent spread of the virus,” Mr Hunt said in a statement.

Oh Wait What Was That Are We Actually Trying To Reduce The Spread Of A Virus, Oh, Are We Secretly Trying To Decrease It Enough To Not Exponentially Grow, If It Isn’t Exponentially Growing Then Are We So Perfect We Can Get It To The Constant R Equals One Or Maybe We Are Secretly Eliminating But We Can’t Say It Because It’s Not Sexy With The Pro-Forever-COVID-19 Crowd

you nee keep some covid permissiveness, some background covid, so the host vehicles can be free to swap air, so everyone and nobody is responsible or less responsible that way, drive the inconvenience into less-likely-to-be-measured territory, keep the planes in the air, and people spend a lot of time in capsules, and other enclosures together

empower the libertarian derrr, and keep free the instruments of capitalism and consumerism, in-no-small-way the delivery assisted by this alphabet business, the arrangements of that you come to habituate and call on for your shared understanding of the human world, and what’s most important

In Socialist Paradise Sweden, If The Man On The Street Can’t Get Fully Vaccinated, Then Noone Can, Least Of All Frontline Workers

“Yesterday afternoon, Darling Downs Health confirmed on social media that they are investigating the possible exposure of COVID at the Toowomba hospital:

“Our public health unit is investigating a possible exposure of COVID-19 at the Toowoomba hospital linked to the recent Goondiwindi cases.

“In order to do this, we are restricting some visitors to the hospital at this time.”“

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Oooh-aaah. Does this affect our captain_spalding?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/covid-news-you-need-from-across-australia-november-8/100601804

Ah, COVID-19, Is There Any The Planet It Can’t Is Healing ¿

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/07/no-one-knew-they-existed-wild-heirs-of-lost-british-honeybee-found-at-blenheim

Michael V said:

“Yesterday afternoon, Darling Downs Health confirmed on social media that they are investigating the possible exposure of COVID at the Toowomba hospital:

“Our public health unit is investigating a possible exposure of COVID-19 at the Toowoomba hospital linked to the recent Goondiwindi cases.

“In order to do this, we are restricting some visitors to the hospital at this time.”“

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Oooh-aaah. Does this affect our captain_spalding?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/covid-news-you-need-from-across-australia-november-8/100601804

No, i’m on two weeks hols, starting today!

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“Yesterday afternoon, Darling Downs Health confirmed on social media that they are investigating the possible exposure of COVID at the Toowomba hospital:

“Our public health unit is investigating a possible exposure of COVID-19 at the Toowoomba hospital linked to the recent Goondiwindi cases.

“In order to do this, we are restricting some visitors to the hospital at this time.”“

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Oooh-aaah. Does this affect our captain_spalding?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/covid-news-you-need-from-across-australia-november-8/100601804

No, i’m on two weeks hols, starting today!

That’s good. But were you there when the exposure occurred?

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“Yesterday afternoon, Darling Downs Health confirmed on social media that they are investigating the possible exposure of COVID at the Toowomba hospital:

“Our public health unit is investigating a possible exposure of COVID-19 at the Toowoomba hospital linked to the recent Goondiwindi cases.

“In order to do this, we are restricting some visitors to the hospital at this time.”“

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Oooh-aaah. Does this affect our captain_spalding?

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/covid-news-you-need-from-across-australia-november-8/100601804

No, i’m on two weeks hols, starting today!

That’s good. But were you there when the exposure occurred?

Well, when did it occur?

…

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

No, i’m on two weeks hols, starting today!

That’s good. But were you there when the exposure occurred?

Well, when did it occur?

I don’t know. Some time between Sunday 31 October 2021 and yesterday, I guess. It’s not been put on the Qld contact tracing site yet.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/contact-tracing

SCIENCE said:

…

wtf?

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

That’s good. But were you there when the exposure occurred?

Well, when did it occur?

I don’t know. Some time between Sunday 31 October 2021 and yesterday, I guess. It’s not been put on the Qld contact tracing site yet.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/contact-tracing

Oh.

Well, yeah, i was there then.

Well, it was nice knowing you, folks.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Well, when did it occur?

I don’t know. Some time between Sunday 31 October 2021 and yesterday, I guess. It’s not been put on the Qld contact tracing site yet.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/contact-tracing

Oh.

Well, yeah, i was there then.

Well, it was nice knowing you, folks.

Nice knowing you, too.

I haven’t poosted flutracker for a couple of months. Here’s the latest.

https://theconversation.com/no-thats-not-the-law-the-danger-of-using-pseudolegal-arguments-against-covid-19-rules-170630

Bogsnorkler said:

https://theconversation.com/no-thats-not-the-law-the-danger-of-using-pseudolegal-arguments-against-covid-19-rules-170630

Ta.

Bogsnorkler said:

https://theconversation.com/no-thats-not-the-law-the-danger-of-using-pseudolegal-arguments-against-covid-19-rules-170630

I’ve mentioned here before the example of the bloke in the Sydney area who, in an early ‘sovereign citizen’ move, notified the Sydney Water Board (as it then was) that his property had seceded from Australia, and that he was therefore no longer obligated to pay the Board’s charges for its services.

The Board’s lawyers wrote back, thanking him for the notification, and advising that the Board’s staff would call at the earliest opportunity to disconnect those services from the property, as there was no provision in the Act which authorised the Board and its functions which allowed it to provide services to any place which fell outside its defined area of operations, which certainly meant territories which were not part of Australia.

The property owner decided to pay the charges.

Mts rb commented that though the school had been closed, she’d also seen news coverage of the local diwali celebrations and had seen two of the girls she recognised from the school at the party.

Today my plastered plasterer mate called me up and said his daughter had been to a party with her friend and that now his daughter and himself are now contacts of concern. He was out here the day before that.

89.4% of Australians over 16 have had at least one dose of the vaccine, 80.6% at least two doses.

It’s pretty remarkable. Middle of last year it wasn’t at all clear that it would even be possible to develop a safe vaccine.

dv said:

89.4% of Australians over 16 have had at least one dose of the vaccine, 80.6% at least two doses.

It’s pretty remarkable. Middle of last year it wasn’t at all clear that it would even be possible to develop a safe vaccine.

And the feds rightly got a kicking for the “not a race’ stupidity but they have certainly lifted their game since then.

sibeen said:

dv said:

89.4% of Australians over 16 have had at least one dose of the vaccine, 80.6% at least two doses.

It’s pretty remarkable. Middle of last year it wasn’t at all clear that it would even be possible to develop a safe vaccine.

And the feds rightly got a kicking for the “not a race’ stupidity but they have certainly lifted their game since then.

China.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

89.4% of Australians over 16 have had at least one dose of the vaccine, 80.6% at least two doses.

It’s pretty remarkable. Middle of last year it wasn’t at all clear that it would even be possible to develop a safe vaccine.

And the feds rightly got a kicking for the “not a race’ stupidity but they have certainly lifted their game since then.

China.

What about China?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

And the feds rightly got a kicking for the “not a race’ stupidity but they have certainly lifted their game since then.

China.

What about China?

It can GAGF. ————> see separate thread.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

And the feds rightly got a kicking for the “not a race’ stupidity but they have certainly lifted their game since then.

China.

What about China?

best to keep bulls away from it in shops.

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

China.

What about China?

It can GAGF. ————> see separate thread.

I saw that…

:)

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

China.

What about China?

It can GAGF. ————> see separate thread.

I saw that…

:)

NZ recorded 190 cases today but Jacinta says bugger it we’re going to start easing restrictions, Gladys was right.

sibeen said:

dv said:

89.4% of Australians over 16 have had at least one dose of the vaccine, 80.6% at least two doses.

It’s pretty remarkable. Middle of last year it wasn’t at all clear that it would even be possible to develop a safe vaccine.

And the feds rightly got a kicking for the “not a race’ stupidity but they have certainly lifted their game since then.

guess all the pro-forever-COVID-19 conspiracy theorists including {anti-mask, anti-vaccination, herd-immunity, Let-It-Rip, inevitable-endemic, The-Economy-Must-Grow, biological-weapon, CHINA-numbers-fake, impossible-to-eliminate, children-are-safe, only-undemocratic-islands-can-stop-disease, freedom-is-chronic-disease} idiots were wrong then

Former Eastern bloc countries are dominating the current death rate table, including all of the top 6, 9 of the top 10, 16 of the top 20.

I’m glad that Health.gov.au took to heart my criticisms and have now taken to given the actual high percentages, not just “>95%”.

They do still top out at “>99%” but I guess that’s as good as it gets.

Peak Warming Man said:

NZ recorded 190 cases today but Jacinta says bugger it we’re going to start easing restrictions, Gladys was right.

Fair point, we remember how every time there’s death and disease in some new outbreak, the leaders in every other geopolitical division are full of praise and thankfulness that CHINA cooked up COVID-19 for months and months, denying there was any problem, before they finally locked everything down on 2020-01-23 and are now laughing¡

It also seems that the death rate in Australia is basically stable which is good news, given the burgeoning glasnost in the states of the south-eastern mainland.

dv said:

It also seems that the death rate in Australia is basically stable which is good news, given the burgeoning glasnost in the states of the south-eastern mainland.

doesn’t seem particularly remarkable

dv said:

Former Eastern bloc countries are dominating the current death rate table, including all of the top 6, 9 of the top 10, 16 of the top 20.

Did they all choose the Russian vaccine? (I read that Hungary did.)

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

It also seems that the death rate in Australia is basically stable which is good news, given the burgeoning glasnost in the states of the south-eastern mainland.

doesn’t seem particularly remarkable

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Former Eastern bloc countries are dominating the current death rate table, including all of the top 6, 9 of the top 10, 16 of the top 20.

Did they all choose the Russian vaccine? (I read that Hungary did.)

Russian vaccine is pretty good I think. Just no Russians want to take it.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

It also seems that the death rate in Australia is basically stable which is good news, given the burgeoning glasnost in the states of the south-eastern mainland.

doesn’t seem particularly remarkable

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

It does seem to date that in contrast to most other “opening up” jurisdictions, the Australian experience has been (1) somewhat more gradual including for example retention of masks, (2) tied to ongoing vaccination push, and (3) with some benefit of learning from other jurisdictions videre licet waning of immunity and hence approval of vaccine third dosing et cetera.

As we also see, other jurisdictions have often then gone on to have runaway outbreaks, but one does wonder if the above differences are enough to stave off such a problem, at least for rather longer.

Note also that there’s been an elective surgery shakeup for these southeastern states.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

It also seems that the death rate in Australia is basically stable which is good news, given the burgeoning glasnost in the states of the south-eastern mainland.

doesn’t seem particularly remarkable

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

It is great news, especially as testing rates are still quite high.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Former Eastern bloc countries are dominating the current death rate table, including all of the top 6, 9 of the top 10, 16 of the top 20.

Did they all choose the Russian vaccine? (I read that Hungary did.)

Russian vaccine is pretty good I think. Just no Russians want to take it.

As good as other adenovirus vector vaccines then eh, as in, pretty but not particularly good¿

Speedy said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

doesn’t seem particularly remarkable

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

It is great news, especially as testing rates are still quite high.

oh we see what they all mean, well not all good great or brilliant news is particularly remarkable but sure, it’s better than a disastrous outbreak

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

doesn’t seem particularly remarkable

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

It does all seem rather strange. Florida basically said ‘fuck it’ no mask mandates, no vaccination mandates, let’s just open up. The death rate spiked but has come down very rapidly.

SCIENCE said:

Speedy said:

dv said:

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

It is great news, especially as testing rates are still quite high.

oh we see what they all mean, well not all good great or brilliant news is particularly remarkable but sure, it’s better than a disastrous outbreak

Well I didn’t say it was remarkable

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

It does all seem rather strange. Florida basically said ‘fuck it’ no mask mandates, no vaccination mandates, let’s just open up. The death rate spiked but has come down very rapidly.

I mean it doesn’t seem that strange to me. They’ve had 60000 deaths, it has been an unmitigated disaster. At some point you run out of likely deaders.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

Former Eastern bloc countries are dominating the current death rate table, including all of the top 6, 9 of the top 10, 16 of the top 20.

Did they all choose the Russian vaccine? (I read that Hungary did.)

Russian vaccine is pretty good I think. Just no Russians want to take it.

Fair. The overall vax rates in Eastern Europe and Former Communist Bloc do seem lower than in much of the OECD.

Do SCIENCE and moll have a theory on why death rates remain modest in Africa?

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’m not sure what you mean.
There was a concern that the opening up of NSW and Victoria would result in a blowout in cases and deaths, but that hasn’t happened. As a humanist I consider this good news.

Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

It does all seem rather strange. Florida basically said ‘fuck it’ no mask mandates, no vaccination mandates, let’s just open up. The death rate spiked but has come down very rapidly.

Well, them pundits out there are suggesting that burnout happens and the wave is over after about 2 months which kind of makes sense if you think about it, say

• it takes 3 days to become infectious
• then that’s 10 cycles up and 10 cycles down for 2 months
• on average each person spreads it to 6
• obviously things slow down and turn around at the top so it’s really only the full 6 at the start
• turns out that 6¹⁰ = 1e+7 (you’re all engineers, shut up)
• population of Florida is 2e+7 so there’s your up and down
• and now they’re good for another 6 months

. Also Your ABC just put this one out https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nsw-health-data-reveals-protection-covid-19-vaccine-gives/100603470 which says

At the peak of the outbreak between August 25 and September 7, 49.5 per 100,000 fully vaccinated people were infected with with virus, compared with 561 per 100,000 unvaccinated people.

even though we know “all else being equal” the vaccines are about 2/3 effective at reducing infection, as in in the same situation then a vaccinated person has 1/3 the chance of being infected compared to an unvaccinated person. However, we know that infection situations are human interactions, so generally speaking you need to multiply the chance of target getting infected (1/3), by the chance of source being infected (1/3 if you only hang around vaccinated people, which almost all adults in the study population of NSW are, supposedly, by now). Well, 1/3 * 1/3 really does give us 1/10 as reported.

dv said:

They’ve had 60000 deaths, it has been an unmitigated disaster. At some point you run out of likely deaders.

Indeed other experts out here have pointed out that of the diseases that have become milder over time, the mildening has been largely a consequence of coevolution of hosts. Flock immunity¡

Also Your ABC article linked in 1813095 neglected another mildening phenomenon that still hasn’t received much airtime, the sanitation-virulence hypothesis.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Michael V said:

Did they all choose the Russian vaccine? (I read that Hungary did.)

Russian vaccine is pretty good I think. Just no Russians want to take it.

Fair. The overall vax rates in Eastern Europe and Former Communist Bloc do seem lower than in much of the OECD.

Do SCIENCE and moll have a theory on why death rates remain modest in Africa?

I expect excess deaths stats if they were available would answer your question.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Russian vaccine is pretty good I think. Just no Russians want to take it.

Fair. The overall vax rates in Eastern Europe and Former Communist Bloc do seem lower than in much of the OECD.

Do SCIENCE and moll have a theory on why death rates remain modest in Africa?

I expect excess deaths stats if they were available would answer your question.

BBC agrees with you
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139

And in case anyone has missed the Sweden Stalk (because I haven’t bothered for a while), they are stuck at number 54 on the deaths per million table. And will probably be there for some time.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Fair. The overall vax rates in Eastern Europe and Former Communist Bloc do seem lower than in much of the OECD.

Do SCIENCE and moll have a theory on why death rates remain modest in Africa?

I expect excess deaths stats if they were available would answer your question.

BBC agrees with you
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139

COVID Diagnostic Test – $150
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/patients-families/bill-pay/cost-estimates-and-pricing/covid-19-related-testing-charges.aspx

We don’t know how CHINA are financing their “let’s test 10M people overnight” drives which would play a tune of AUD2000000000 each time but Chris ^ here might know a bit more about that.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I expect excess deaths stats if they were available would answer your question.

BBC agrees with you
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139

COVID Diagnostic Test – $150
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/patients-families/bill-pay/cost-estimates-and-pricing/covid-19-related-testing-charges.aspx

We don’t know how CHINA are financing their “let’s test 10M people overnight” drives which would play a tune of AUD2000000000 each time but Chris ^ here might know a bit more about that.

http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

It does all seem rather strange. Florida basically said ‘fuck it’ no mask mandates, no vaccination mandates, let’s just open up. The death rate spiked but has come down very rapidly.

Well, them pundits out there are suggesting that burnout happens and the wave is over after about 2 months which kind of makes sense if you think about it, say

• it takes 3 days to become infectious
• then that’s 10 cycles up and 10 cycles down for 2 months
• on average each person spreads it to 6
• obviously things slow down and turn around at the top so it’s really only the full 6 at the start
• turns out that 6¹⁰ = 1e+7 (you’re all engineers, shut up)
• population of Florida is 2e+7 so there’s your up and down
• and now they’re good for another 6 months

. Also Your ABC just put this one out https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nsw-health-data-reveals-protection-covid-19-vaccine-gives/100603470 which says

At the peak of the outbreak between August 25 and September 7, 49.5 per 100,000 fully vaccinated people were infected with with virus, compared with 561 per 100,000 unvaccinated people.

even though we know “all else being equal” the vaccines are about 2/3 effective at reducing infection, as in in the same situation then a vaccinated person has 1/3 the chance of being infected compared to an unvaccinated person. However, we know that infection situations are human interactions, so generally speaking you need to multiply the chance of target getting infected (1/3), by the chance of source being infected (1/3 if you only hang around vaccinated people, which almost all adults in the study population of NSW are, supposedly, by now). Well, 1/3 * 1/3 really does give us 1/10 as reported.

also from 1811055 previously, which may well explain the holding pattern

https://www.smh.com.au/national/morrison-the-states-and-lockdown-are-they-all-a-little-bit-right-20210826-p58m24.html

put that in your pipe atomiser and smoke vape it

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/sunshine-north-gp-probed-over-fake-vaccine-exemptions-20211106-p596jp.html

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/country-doctor-vows-to-shut-practice-after-police-called-over-vaccine-exemption-claims-20211103-p595p4.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nurse-who-allegedly-faked-covid-vaccines-charged/100602566

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nurse-who-allegedly-faked-covid-vaccines-charged/100602566

Good.

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nurse-who-allegedly-faked-covid-vaccines-charged/100602566

Why? Incomptence or corruption?

I’d guess incompetence?

mollwollfumble said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nurse-who-allegedly-faked-covid-vaccines-charged/100602566

Why? Incomptence or corruption?

I’d guess incompetence?

she was getting money to fake vaccinations.

Bogsnorkler said:

mollwollfumble said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nurse-who-allegedly-faked-covid-vaccines-charged/100602566

Why? Incomptence or corruption?

I’d guess incompetence?

she was getting money to fake vaccinations.

Ah. The spirit of enterprise.

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

mollwollfumble said:

Why? Incomptence or corruption?

I’d guess incompetence?

she was getting money to fake vaccinations.

Ah. The spirit of enterprise.

Cnut.

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

mollwollfumble said:

Why? Incomptence or corruption?

I’d guess incompetence?

she was getting money to fake vaccinations.

Ah. The spirit of enterprise.

exactly, these damn communists and their corrupt practices

wait

it’s capitalism

The Economy Must Grow ¡

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

transition said:

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

I remember the youngest bringing chicken pox home from kindy, turned into a nightmare house, though she only had it mild, and wife too only had it very mild she’d had it when a kid

but the young lad was screaming like he was being tortured, had pox all over him, up his arse was the most painful for him

I was crook as, passed out on my back from the toilet, having a seizure I was from high temperature, head back, teeth bared and clenched, thrashing around for a while, lady near called the ambulance

joy it was

transition said:

transition said:

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

I remember the youngest bringing chicken pox home from kindy, turned into a nightmare house, though she only had it mild, and wife too only had it very mild she’d had it when a kid

but the young lad was screaming like he was being tortured, had pox all over him, up his arse was the most painful for him

I was crook as, passed out on my back from the toilet, having a seizure I was from high temperature, head back, teeth bared and clenched, thrashing around for a while, lady near called the ambulance

joy it was

Nightmare indeed :(

transition said:

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

Risk compensation is real, but yes some jurisdictions have been enforcing school spread to try to get that elusive flock immunity. From what we gather dUK and some states of DPRNA are particularly nasty with that.

Fortunately for Australians it seems so far the authorities are willing to at least give the impression of limiting spread in schools, but they’re eroding that gradually as well, see here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/doherty-institute-recommends-rapid-antigen-testing-in-schools/100602366

for example where

State and federal leaders have been told schools can safely stay open and children kept in class with a “test to stay” approach to preventing COVID-19 outbreaks in schools, rather than full quarantine.

because The Economy Must Grow¡

Siblings and I had the chicken pox, measles and mumps. Don’t remember much about those illnesses apart from the spots and swellings, so presumably these were moderate illnesses in our case.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

transition said:

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

I remember the youngest bringing chicken pox home from kindy, turned into a nightmare house, though she only had it mild, and wife too only had it very mild she’d had it when a kid

but the young lad was screaming like he was being tortured, had pox all over him, up his arse was the most painful for him

I was crook as, passed out on my back from the toilet, having a seizure I was from high temperature, head back, teeth bared and clenched, thrashing around for a while, lady near called the ambulance

joy it was

Nightmare indeed :(

That’s what the Flock Immunity Fkwts want though, if only you’d caught it as a child, you’d be Forever Immune Better Than Vaccination and then it wouldn’t be a problem.

But no, we agree with good sense here, we don’t want elderly COVID-19, we don’t want adult COVID-19, we don’t want child COVID-19, we don’t want infant COVID-19, just keep the growth rate below 1 please, we’ll be happy.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

transition said:

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

I remember the youngest bringing chicken pox home from kindy, turned into a nightmare house, though she only had it mild, and wife too only had it very mild she’d had it when a kid

but the young lad was screaming like he was being tortured, had pox all over him, up his arse was the most painful for him

I was crook as, passed out on my back from the toilet, having a seizure I was from high temperature, head back, teeth bared and clenched, thrashing around for a while, lady near called the ambulance

joy it was

Nightmare indeed :(

My friends’ daughter had it when she was 8; she stated home from school for a few days. Her father, who hadn’t had it, spent a week in hospital with it.

btm said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

I remember the youngest bringing chicken pox home from kindy, turned into a nightmare house, though she only had it mild, and wife too only had it very mild she’d had it when a kid

but the young lad was screaming like he was being tortured, had pox all over him, up his arse was the most painful for him

I was crook as, passed out on my back from the toilet, having a seizure I was from high temperature, head back, teeth bared and clenched, thrashing around for a while, lady near called the ambulance

joy it was

Nightmare indeed :(

My friends’ daughter had it when she was 8; she stated home from school for a few days. Her father, who hadn’t had it, spent a week in hospital with it.

stayed

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

transition said:

>Perhaps but most other jurisdictions seem to have demonstrated that at least initially, “opening up” associates with a decrease in cases which is matched by a decrease in deaths, suggesting it is a real phenomenon and not just decreased testing (though of course it’s possible that excess deaths didn’t drop, and they were just untested deaths).

people restrict their contacts, they shrink potential exposure in response to whatever, could be a diarrhea bug, flu, whatever, things that are going around

word gets around, people think I don’t want that

when you have kids at school it gets a lot more difficult to avoid whatever going around

apparently everyone is back at school now

I remember the youngest bringing chicken pox home from kindy, turned into a nightmare house, though she only had it mild, and wife too only had it very mild she’d had it when a kid

but the young lad was screaming like he was being tortured, had pox all over him, up his arse was the most painful for him

I was crook as, passed out on my back from the toilet, having a seizure I was from high temperature, head back, teeth bared and clenched, thrashing around for a while, lady near called the ambulance

joy it was

Nightmare indeed :(

It all comes back when you get shingles.

Victoria records 1,069 new local COVID-19 cases and 10 deaths
There are now 15,607 active cases of the virus in Victoria, and 376 people have died during the state’s current Delta outbreak.

roughbarked said:

Victoria records 1,069 new local COVID-19 cases and 10 deaths
There are now 15,607 active cases of the virus in Victoria, and 376 people have died during the state’s current Delta outbreak.

Which probably should go in Covid November 9->

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/covid-patients-get-symptoms-months-after-infection-study-finds/100346554
just reading that^, long covid is probably a misnomer

properly sequelae, or post-covid sequelae

possibly caused damage to the epithelium, or epithelial cells, and further effects from that

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/schools-covid-shutdown-parents-shutdowns/100604330

no shortage of misleading crap in that^, is my opinion

SCIENCE said:

Seems reassuring that despite the Corruption Coalition NotARacing ahead with things, 173000 Real Australians who care about health and wellbeing and even looking out for others have gone ahead and actually gone to get themselves fully* vaccinated.

*: for now

While today marks the formal beginning of the booster program, as of Saturday more than 173,000 boosters had already been administered.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/australia-covid-booster-vaccination-program-begins-today/100601820

But the Health Minister Greg Hunt said while two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine provided “very good protection, especially against severe disease”, the vaccine’s ability to prevent transmission waned over time. “A booster dose, six or more months after the second dose, will make sure that the protection from the first doses is even stronger and longer lasting and should help prevent spread of the virus,” Mr Hunt said in a statement.

Oh Wait What Was That Are We Actually Trying To Reduce The Spread Of A Virus, Oh, Are We Secretly Trying To Decrease It Enough To Not Exponentially Grow, If It Isn’t Exponentially Growing Then Are We So Perfect We Can Get It To The Constant R Equals One Or Maybe We Are Secretly Eliminating But We Can’t Say It Because It’s Not Sexy With The Pro-Forever-COVID-19 Crowd

Imagine the Pro-Forever-Measles Crowd, Pro-Forever-Chicken-Pox Crowd, Pro-Forever-AIDS crowd, Pro-Forever-Bird-Flu-Crowd etc

Those diseases not sexy enough for people these days.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Imagine the Pro-Forever-Measles Crowd, Pro-Forever-Chicken-Pox Crowd, Pro-Forever-AIDS crowd, Pro-Forever-Bird-Flu-Crowd etc

Those diseases not sexy enough for people these days.

There is an active anti-polio-vaccine crowd.

Very active.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Imagine the Pro-Forever-Measles Crowd, Pro-Forever-Chicken-Pox Crowd, Pro-Forever-AIDS crowd, Pro-Forever-Bird-Flu-Crowd etc

Those diseases not sexy enough for people these days.

There is an active anti-polio-vaccine crowd.

Very active.

They’d be more active than the Pro-Foever-Black-Death Crowd.

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Imagine the Pro-Forever-Measles Crowd, Pro-Forever-Chicken-Pox Crowd, Pro-Forever-AIDS crowd, Pro-Forever-Bird-Flu-Crowd etc

Those diseases not sexy enough for people these days.

There is an active anti-polio-vaccine crowd.

Very active.

They’d be more active than the Pro-Foever-Black-Death Crowd.

Hard to imagine some diseases being a myth.

We need a Sir David Attenborough for human diseases.

Human diseases should not be used for conspiracies.