Time for a new one.

Scott Morrison’s approval rating at lowest point since aftermath of black summer bushfires

other poll results as well.

Scott Morrison spruiks electric vehicles – but rules out subsidies and an end-date for petrol cars

Labor promises cheaper electric cars and cash for solar powered batteries, if it wins next federal election

march 2021 article.

Not sure about community batteries.

Bogsnorkler said:

Time for a new one.

Scott Morrison’s approval rating at lowest point since aftermath of black summer bushfires

other poll results as well.

Almost half (47%) of those polled say Morrison’s behaviour has “undermined” Australia’s reputation on the world stage, including 28% of Coalition voters, while just 27% think the prime minister has boosted Australia’s international reputation.

—
So many dicks.

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Time for a new one.

Scott Morrison’s approval rating at lowest point since aftermath of black summer bushfires

other poll results as well.

Almost half (47%) of those polled say Morrison’s behaviour has “undermined” Australia’s reputation on the world stage, including 28% of Coalition voters, while just 27% think the prime minister has boosted Australia’s international reputation.

—
So many dicks.

Ah well. There’s little I can do about that, except try not to be one myself. But I probably am anyway, despite the effort.

dv said:

sell ¿ you’d have to seriously pork barrel pay someone to take this current government the way it is

…

wait

As I wrote in a previous posting, the man is akin to a Barbers Cat – all piss and wind.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/war-on-weekend-electric-vehicles-climate-change-targets/100604902

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

sell ¿ you’d have to seriously pork barrel pay someone to take this current government the way it is

…

wait

Scott Morrison’s office insists the Prime Minister is not involved with the QSA proposal

Quarantine Services Australia (QSA) was officially registered as a company on August 30 by former deputy NSW Liberal Party director Scott Briggs, who is also the president of Scott Morrison’s federal electoral conference in his Sydney electorate of Cook.

Two weeks earlier, another company linked to Mr Briggs, DPG Advisory Solutions, was awarded a $79,500 “limited tender” contract by the Home Affairs department to provide “consultancy services” to help develop the proposal.

ABC News:

‘A company established by an influential Liberal party figure says it could bring up to 160,000 foreign workers and students a year into Australia via a private hotel quarantine system with support from the Home Affairs Department.’

Well, with someone with influence in the Liberal party involved, i ask you,what could possibly go wrong?

Apparently Election Of Federal Governments Is By The Same Mechanism As A “Most Improved” Award

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/economy-looks-good-for-the-government-election-year-wages/100606656

… Who Knew¿

Grrr ….

Spiny Norman said:

Grrr ….

anything that CHINA scores high in is probably worth scoring low in

Spiny Norman said:

Grrr ….

SCIENCE said:

Spiny Norman said:

Grrr ….

anything that CHINA scores high in is probably worth scoring low in

Yeah, well, it’s one thing to HAVE a policy. It’s another matter when it comes to ADHERING to it.

Spiny Norman said:

Grrr ….

Damn

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/11/10/scott-morrison-electic-vehicles/

Choose who’s the dodgiest:

https://thedodgies.getup.org.au/

Witty Rejoinder said:

Choose who’s the dodgiest:

https://thedodgies.getup.org.au/

A fish rots from the head down.

Ian said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Choose who’s the dodgiest:

https://thedodgies.getup.org.au/

A fish rots from the head down.

There’s quite a few arseholes in that list.

Many theories about this phenomenon have been written over the past month. Some say that the unprecedented level of government support during the pandemic has provided a small nest egg for workers allowing them to remain out of the workforce.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/worker-drought-job-ads-soar-but-no-one-s-applying-20211110-p597sh.html

I doubt this is the reason.

Bogsnorkler said:

Many theories about this phenomenon have been written over the past month. Some say that the unprecedented level of government support during the pandemic has provided a small nest egg for workers allowing them to remain out of the workforce.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/worker-drought-job-ads-soar-but-no-one-s-applying-20211110-p597sh.html

I doubt this is the reason.

In WA the economy is picking up fast and people are finding it easy to get good jobs so it’s hard to get people for shitty ones

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Many theories about this phenomenon have been written over the past month. Some say that the unprecedented level of government support during the pandemic has provided a small nest egg for workers allowing them to remain out of the workforce.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/worker-drought-job-ads-soar-but-no-one-s-applying-20211110-p597sh.html

I doubt this is the reason.

In WA the economy is picking up fast and people are finding it easy to get good jobs so it’s hard to get people for shitty ones

Hopefully employers will see this and realise that they might have to offer people decent wages and conditions.

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Many theories about this phenomenon have been written over the past month. Some say that the unprecedented level of government support during the pandemic has provided a small nest egg for workers allowing them to remain out of the workforce.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/worker-drought-job-ads-soar-but-no-one-s-applying-20211110-p597sh.html

I doubt this is the reason.

In WA the economy is picking up fast and people are finding it easy to get good jobs so it’s hard to get people for shitty ones

It ain’t going to last. China is going through a big economic bump over the next 6 months. It will rebound on us.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Many theories about this phenomenon have been written over the past month. Some say that the unprecedented level of government support during the pandemic has provided a small nest egg for workers allowing them to remain out of the workforce.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/worker-drought-job-ads-soar-but-no-one-s-applying-20211110-p597sh.html

I doubt this is the reason.

In WA the economy is picking up fast and people are finding it easy to get good jobs so it’s hard to get people for shitty ones

It ain’t going to last. China is going through a big economic bump over the next 6 months. It will rebound on us.

she’ll be right!

dv said:

Opposition Leader Matthew Guy said on Tuesday said he told the 38-year-old he would never return to the front bench and urged him not to contest the 2022 state election.

This is a rather big rise in gross debt, wouldn’t you say.
The libs have never been able to handle money.

mollwollfumble said:

This is a rather big rise in gross debt, wouldn’t you say.
The libs have never been able to handle money.

But but, they told me they are the only party that can manage the money.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

This is a rather big rise in gross debt, wouldn’t you say.
The libs have never been able to handle money.

But but, they told me they are the only party that can manage the money.

oh they can handle money all right, it’s using money in the process of good governance that they can’t

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

This is a rather big rise in gross debt, wouldn’t you say.
The libs have never been able to handle money.

But but, they told me they are the only party that can manage the money.

oh they can handle money all right, it’s using money in the process of good governance that they can’t

Oh so it is sleight of hand they are also not so good at?

Bogsnorkler said:

Maintain the rage, or just the calm determination to be rid of non-democratic baggage like the monarchy and its constitutional persistence in this country.

Bogsnorkler said:

Ian said:

Bogsnorkler said:

:)

The media’s coverage of Scott Morrison’s statement yesterday was either straight stenography from the Rob Harrises of the Press Gallery, or analysis about what a canny wedge it was against Labor for the coming election campaign — or more correctly, the campaign that’s already here. As is the case with much of what Morrison says, his attempt to frame his government is a lie. In fact the whole purported dichotomy between capitalism and government has vanished in Australia in public policy. The Morrison government runs a crony capitalist agenda in which favoured industries that contribute generously to the Coalition’s coffers receive special treatment

Ian said:

The media’s coverage of Scott Morrison’s statement yesterday was either straight stenography from the Rob Harrises of the Press Gallery, or analysis about what a canny wedge it was against Labor for the coming election campaign — or more correctly, the campaign that’s already here. As is the case with much of what Morrison says, his attempt to frame his government is a lie. In fact the whole purported dichotomy between capitalism and government has vanished in Australia in public policy. The Morrison government runs a crony capitalist agenda in which favoured industries that contribute generously to the Coalition’s coffers receive special treatment

Yes but through Scott, Jesus is on their side.

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

The media’s coverage of Scott Morrison’s statement yesterday was either straight stenography from the Rob Harrises of the Press Gallery, or analysis about what a canny wedge it was against Labor for the coming election campaign — or more correctly, the campaign that’s already here. As is the case with much of what Morrison says, his attempt to frame his government is a lie. In fact the whole purported dichotomy between capitalism and government has vanished in Australia in public policy. The Morrison government runs a crony capitalist agenda in which favoured industries that contribute generously to the Coalition’s coffers receive special treatment

Yes but through Scott, Jesus is on their side.

I heard Jesus saves lives. He hasn’t done very well saving any COVID lives.

Bogsnorkler said:

There was no rage in the eyes of the voters, they frog marched him out.
The only people who maintained the rage were a small cabal of left wing nut jobs.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bogsnorkler said:

There was no rage in the eyes of the voters, they frog marched him out.
The only people who maintained the rage were a small cabal of left wing nut jobs.

LOL.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

The media’s coverage of Scott Morrison’s statement yesterday was either straight stenography from the Rob Harrises of the Press Gallery, or analysis about what a canny wedge it was against Labor for the coming election campaign — or more correctly, the campaign that’s already here. As is the case with much of what Morrison says, his attempt to frame his government is a lie. In fact the whole purported dichotomy between capitalism and government has vanished in Australia in public policy. The Morrison government runs a crony capitalist agenda in which favoured industries that contribute generously to the Coalition’s coffers receive special treatment

Yes but through Scott, Jesus is on their side.

I heard Jesus saves lives. He hasn’t done very well saving any COVID lives.

He doesn’t save your life, he saves your immortal soul. Apparently…

Peak Warming Man said:

Bogsnorkler said:

There was no rage in the eyes of the voters, they frog marched him out.
The only people who maintained the rage were a small cabal of left wing nut jobs.

Just like 21st century Liberals tossed Malcolm Fraser to the kerb.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bogsnorkler said:

There was no rage in the eyes of the voters, they frog marched him out.
The only people who maintained the rage were a small cabal of left wing nut jobs.

Well no, the large mass of Labor voters maintained the rage.

The small cabal were the swinging voters who were confused by it all and switched to Malcolm.

And Malcolm knew that very many Australians were maintaining the rage, which is why he maintained his guilt feelings, and turned into a more-or-less lefty in his retirement.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bogsnorkler said:

There was no rage in the eyes of the voters, they frog marched him out.
The only people who maintained the rage were a small cabal of left wing nut jobs.

*puts up hand.’

I have to go prepare tea, I’ll be back later to poke the ants nest a bit more.

Bogsnorkler said:

I have to go prepare tea, I’ll be back later to poke the ants nest a bit more.

It’s good fun hey.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/10/throwing-toothpicks-at-the-mountain-paul-keating-says-aukus-submarines-plan-will-have-no-impact-on-china

https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2021/11/2021/1636603066/desperate-and-deranged

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/10/throwing-toothpicks-at-the-mountain-paul-keating-says-aukus-submarines-plan-will-have-no-impact-on-china

愚公移山

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/10/throwing-toothpicks-at-the-mountain-paul-keating-says-aukus-submarines-plan-will-have-no-impact-on-china

愚公移山

He was probably correct about the fact that we should have ordered the new French nuke sub instead.

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life
By political reporter Jake Evans
Facing multiple accusations of lying from foreign leaders, former prime ministers and the opposition, Scott Morrison says he does not take the “sledges” personally.
Posted 17m ago
17 minutes ago
/ Updated 17m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/prime-minister-scott-morrison-says-he-is-not-a-liar/100614822

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life
By political reporter Jake Evans
Facing multiple accusations of lying from foreign leaders, former prime ministers and the opposition, Scott Morrison says he does not take the “sledges” personally.
Posted 17m ago
17 minutes ago
/ Updated 17m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/prime-minister-scott-morrison-says-he-is-not-a-liar/100614822

Well there’s one for a start.

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life
By political reporter Jake Evans
Facing multiple accusations of lying from foreign leaders, former prime ministers and the opposition, Scott Morrison says he does not take the “sledges” personally.
Posted 17m ago
17 minutes ago
/ Updated 17m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/prime-minister-scott-morrison-says-he-is-not-a-liar/100614822

Morrison should look at his pants.

I think they might be on fire.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life
By political reporter Jake Evans
Facing multiple accusations of lying from foreign leaders, former prime ministers and the opposition, Scott Morrison says he does not take the “sledges” personally.
Posted 17m ago
17 minutes ago
/ Updated 17m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/prime-minister-scott-morrison-says-he-is-not-a-liar/100614822

Well there’s one for a start.

surely he truly believes

This definition is normally unpacked as follows: “A person lies when he asserts something to another which he believes to be false with the intention of getting the other to believe it to be true” (Kupfer 1982, 104); “ making a statement believed to be false, with the intention of getting another to accept it as true” (Primoratz 1984, 54n2). More formally:

To lie =df to make a believed-false statement to another person with the intention that that other person believe that statement to be true.

Let us call this the most common definition of lying. According to this definition, there are at least four necessary conditions for lying. First, lying requires that a person make a statement (statement condition). Second, lying requires that the person believe the statement to be false, that is, lying requires that the statement be untruthful (untruthfulness condition). Third, lying requires that the untruthful statement be made to another person (addressee condition). Fourth, lying requires that the person intend that that other person believe the untruthful statement to be true (intention to deceive addressee condition).

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life
By political reporter Jake Evans
Facing multiple accusations of lying from foreign leaders, former prime ministers and the opposition, Scott Morrison says he does not take the “sledges” personally.
Posted 17m ago
17 minutes ago
/ Updated 17m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/prime-minister-scott-morrison-says-he-is-not-a-liar/100614822

Well there’s one for a start.

surely he truly believes

This definition is normally unpacked as follows: “A person lies when he asserts something to another which he believes to be false with the intention of getting the other to believe it to be true” (Kupfer 1982, 104); “ making a statement believed to be false, with the intention of getting another to accept it as true” (Primoratz 1984, 54n2). More formally:

To lie =df to make a believed-false statement to another person with the intention that that other person believe that statement to be true.

Let us call this the most common definition of lying. According to this definition, there are at least four necessary conditions for lying. First, lying requires that a person make a statement (statement condition). Second, lying requires that the person believe the statement to be false, that is, lying requires that the statement be untruthful (untruthfulness condition). Third, lying requires that the untruthful statement be made to another person (addressee condition). Fourth, lying requires that the person intend that that other person believe the untruthful statement to be true (intention to deceive addressee condition).

I accept your fair and detailed definition of lying, and I honestly believe that Scummo has engaged in such activities from time to time.

On the other hand, it is I suppose possible that he may not be lying when he says he has never lied, even though he has.

Oh well we guess some might say we’re all part of a group that is also a differentiable manifold.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/scott-morrison-electric-vehicles-bingle-campaign-trail/100614506

Even the very even-handed Michelle Gratton is putting the boot in..
.

It seemed remarkable chutzpah that Scott Morrison, back from Glasgow where Australia remains a criticised laggard despite its embrace of a 2050 target, would hit the trail to campaign on climate policy.

Alternatively, as some suggest, perhaps the Prime Minister just wanted to tick that box early, before moving onto more congenial issues.

Either way, it didn’t turn out well.

His policy to promote electric cars, which contained minimal substance, backfired. And he wedged himself with a too-smart-by-half attempt to wedge Labor on carbon capture and storage.

Morrison surely must have seen the dangers of exposing himself on electric cars, after all he’d said in denouncing Bill Shorten’s policy in 2019.

The quotes from then were grenades for the throwing. Shorten wanted to end the Aussie weekend, Morrison declared; such a vehicle “won’t tow your trailer. It’s not going to tow your boat. It’s not going to get you out to your favourite camping spot with your family”.

How did Morrison believe he could execute a turnaround in the harsh political spotlight without being called to account? Especially when his political honesty is under the most intense questioning.

Sean Kelly, columnist and former staffer for Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd, writes in his just-published The Game: A Portrait of Scott Morrison, that the PM, “never feels, in himself, insincere or untruthful, because he always means exactly what he says; it is just that he means it only in the moment he is saying it. Past and future disappear.”

Unfortunately for Morrison, the electronic clips don’t disappear. Those on electric cars were there to be played again and again.

SCIENCE said:

Oh well we guess some might say we’re all part of a group that is also a differentiable manifold.

I should probably learn some of this mathematics stuff, but I fear I may have left it too late.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life

There’s a lie right there.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life

There’s a lie right there.

Truth challenged.

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

Wrong government.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life

There’s a lie right there.

So, we have a consenus?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Oh well we guess some might say we’re all part of a group that is also a differentiable manifold.

I should probably learn some of this mathematics stuff, but I fear I may have left it too late.

don’t worry we promise no one will ever be able to make it complete anyway

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life

There’s a lie right there.

So, we have a consenus?

a con

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

Wrong government.

Has been since the last election.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

Wrong government.

Has been since the last election.

^

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

Wrong government.

Has been since the last election.

true.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

Wrong government.

Has been since the last election.

LOLOL

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/scott-morrison-electric-vehicles-bingle-campaign-trail/100614506

Even the very even-handed Michelle Gratton is putting the boot in..
.

It seemed remarkable chutzpah that Scott Morrison, back from Glasgow where Australia remains a criticised laggard despite its embrace of a 2050 target, would hit the trail to campaign on climate policy.

Alternatively, as some suggest, perhaps the Prime Minister just wanted to tick that box early, before moving onto more congenial issues.

Either way, it didn’t turn out well.

His policy to promote electric cars, which contained minimal substance, backfired. And he wedged himself with a too-smart-by-half attempt to wedge Labor on carbon capture and storage.

Morrison surely must have seen the dangers of exposing himself on electric cars, after all he’d said in denouncing Bill Shorten’s policy in 2019.

The quotes from then were grenades for the throwing. Shorten wanted to end the Aussie weekend, Morrison declared; such a vehicle “won’t tow your trailer. It’s not going to tow your boat. It’s not going to get you out to your favourite camping spot with your family”.

How did Morrison believe he could execute a turnaround in the harsh political spotlight without being called to account? Especially when his political honesty is under the most intense questioning.

Sean Kelly, columnist and former staffer for Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd, writes in his just-published The Game: A Portrait of Scott Morrison, that the PM, “never feels, in himself, insincere or untruthful, because he always means exactly what he says; it is just that he means it only in the moment he is saying it. Past and future disappear.”

Unfortunately for Morrison, the electronic clips don’t disappear. Those on electric cars were there to be played again and again.

I am obsessed. I really want to know what kind of EV Morrison bought.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Prime Minister says he does not believe he has told a lie in public life
By political reporter Jake Evans
Facing multiple accusations of lying from foreign leaders, former prime ministers and the opposition, Scott Morrison says he does not take the “sledges” personally.
Posted 17m ago
17 minutes ago
/ Updated 17m ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/prime-minister-scott-morrison-says-he-is-not-a-liar/100614822

Well there’s one for a start.

:)

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/scott-morrison-electric-vehicles-bingle-campaign-trail/100614506

Even the very even-handed Michelle Gratton is putting the boot in..
.

……………………………………………………………….

Unfortunately for Morrison, the electronic clips don’t disappear. Those on electric cars were there to be played again and again.

I am obsessed. I really want to know what kind of EV Morrison bought.

Who says he bought one?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/scott-morrison-electric-vehicles-bingle-campaign-trail/100614506

Even the very even-handed Michelle Gratton is putting the boot in..
.

……………………………………………………………….

Unfortunately for Morrison, the electronic clips don’t disappear. Those on electric cars were there to be played again and again.

I am obsessed. I really want to know what kind of EV Morrison bought.

Who says he bought one?

Could be another not lie?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Ian said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/scott-morrison-electric-vehicles-bingle-campaign-trail/100614506

Even the very even-handed Michelle Gratton is putting the boot in..
.

……………………………………………………………….

Unfortunately for Morrison, the electronic clips don’t disappear. Those on electric cars were there to be played again and again.

I am obsessed. I really want to know what kind of EV Morrison bought.

Who says he bought one?

He did in his trying to sell EV ramble the other day.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I am obsessed. I really want to know what kind of EV Morrison bought.

Who says he bought one?

He did in his trying to sell EV ramble the other day.

Do you have a link to that? I have tried to find one.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Who says he bought one?

He did in his trying to sell EV ramble the other day.

Do you have a link to that? I have tried to find one.

I watched it on the Tv.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Who says he bought one?

He did in his trying to sell EV ramble the other day.

Do you have a link to that? I have tried to find one.

The politics on climate change, generally, and electric vehicles, specifically, have undoubtedly shifted since 2019. As a result, Morrison has also shifted to the point where he this week tried to pretend that he hadn’t bagged electric vehicles before the last election. (The tapes don’t lie.)

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic

Pink batts anyone?

Wrong government.

My cousin’s PTSD ex mine disposal husband and his therapy dog were at the breakfast ScoMo “cooked” yesterday for veterans in Melbourne. The dog in particular didn’t like ScoMo…he only gave Zeus one sausage…
(My cousin and her husband were not impressed either, but they do these things for the old soldiers)

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

He did in his trying to sell EV ramble the other day.

Do you have a link to that? I have tried to find one.

I watched it on the Tv.

Maybe I imagined it. That clip had Morrison driving a Nissan and saying it was smooth.

Morrison’s package that will help people who can afford EV’s put in a cheap charging station pisses me off.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/11/12/michael-pascoe-china-paul-keating/

Oh noo..

Barnaby Joyce has admitted to lying to journalists.

Kevin Rudd on BBC World News discussing the US-China climate statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agWaz3eSXxo

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

He did in his trying to sell EV ramble the other day.

Do you have a link to that? I have tried to find one.

I watched it on the Tv.

It seems that Katie Allen MP, in introducing ScoMo, said she had bought an EV.

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/taylor/transcripts/press-conference-prime-minister-hon-scott-morrison-mp-toyota-hydrogen-centre-altona-north-victoria

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/war-on-weekend-electric-vehicles-climate-change-targets/100604902

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7508114/katter-slams-racist-voter-id-laws/

Proposed voter identification laws have been slammed by Federal MP Bob Katter who has labelled them as “racist” and having the effect of disenfranchising First Australians.

Under changes the federal government wants introduced, voters would have to produce an acceptable form of ID at polling places during federal elections.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Do you have a link to that? I have tried to find one.

I watched it on the Tv.

It seems that Katie Allen MP, in introducing ScoMo, said she had bought an EV.

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/taylor/transcripts/press-conference-prime-minister-hon-scott-morrison-mp-toyota-hydrogen-centre-altona-north-victoria

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/war-on-weekend-electric-vehicles-climate-change-targets/100604902

Ah. Ta. I did imagine it then.

https://twitter.com/cheryl_kernot/status/1459002108980518914

Dear
@craigmcmurtrie

@abcnews You have been put in a difficult position for which you need to review your processes imo. The PM has taken to election campaigning daily, along with preselected (not elected) candidates, at events purporting to be press conferences for announcements

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

He always did regard his own advice highly and took the artr of the put down, to new levels. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-12/the-collected-insults-of-paul-keating/5071412

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

The story of King Canute and the tide is an apocryphal anecdote illustrating the piety or humility of King Canute the Great, recorded in the 12th century by Henry of Huntingdon.

In the story, Canute demonstrates to his flattering courtiers that he has no control over the elements (the incoming tide), explaining that secular power is vain compared to the supreme power of God. The episode is frequently alluded to in contexts where the futility of “trying to stop the tide” of an inexorable event is pointed out, but usually misrepresenting Canute as believing he had supernatural powers, when Huntingdon’s story in fact relates the opposite.

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

✅

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

That was mentioned:

“By Friday afternoon, there was no indication that any of these governments – the US, Japan, India or Australia – was acting on Keating’s instructions. As King Canute found in trying to turn back the tide, he was kidding himself. In the case of the 11th century King of England, scholars think that – if the tale is true, and it’s probably apocryphal – he was likely trying to demonstrate the limits of his powers, his humility before God. In the case of Keating, there is no such hint of self-awareness.”

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

Agree. He completely misunderstands the Cnut story.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

Agree. He completely misunderstands the Cnut story.

(In that snippet.)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

That was mentioned:

“By Friday afternoon, there was no indication that any of these governments – the US, Japan, India or Australia – was acting on Keating’s instructions. As King Canute found in trying to turn back the tide, he was kidding himself. In the case of the 11th century King of England, scholars think that – if the tale is true, and it’s probably apocryphal – he was likely trying to demonstrate the limits of his powers, his humility before God. In the case of Keating, there is no such hint of self-awareness.”

then his opening para is a waste of words.

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

If you calculated an index by measuring someone’s idea of their own importance, then dividing by their actual importance, I think both Peter and Paul would have very high numbers, and I’m not at all sure that Paul’s would be the higher.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

If you calculated an index by measuring someone’s idea of their own importance, then dividing by their actual importance, I think both Peter and Paul would have very high numbers, and I’m not at all sure that Paul’s would be the higher.

Dividing by 1 is pointless.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

Like King Canute setting his throne on the beach and ordering the tide to stop rising, Paul Keating this week took his seat at the National Press Club and gave his orders to the governments of the world. It’s 25 years since he lost the prime ministership, and 26 since his last appearance at the National Press Club, but it seems the reach of his ambition has only grown in retirement.

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

If you calculated an index by measuring someone’s idea of their own importance, then dividing by their actual importance, I think both Peter and Paul would have very high numbers, and I’m not at all sure that Paul’s would be the higher.

Dividing by 1 is pointless.

Fair point.

so Cnut stuff is like how religious fanatics justify how she moves in mysterious ways and that an omniscient omnipotent deity would let bad things happen anyway because they should

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people. Canute knew he was powerless against the tide and did what he, supposedly, did to prove it.

That was mentioned:

“By Friday afternoon, there was no indication that any of these governments – the US, Japan, India or Australia – was acting on Keating’s instructions. As King Canute found in trying to turn back the tide, he was kidding himself. In the case of the 11th century King of England, scholars think that – if the tale is true, and it’s probably apocryphal – he was likely trying to demonstrate the limits of his powers, his humility before God. In the case of Keating, there is no such hint of self-awareness.”

then his opening para is a waste of words.

Aren’t you a negative Nancy.

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

King Keating sticks it to the world

Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am

He gave orders to the US about its geopolitics – America has to “come to a point of accommodation where it acknowledges China’s pre-eminence in East Asia and the Asian mainland”. US President Joe Biden had better ditch his notion that America is “in competition with China to win the 21st century”.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/king-keating-sticks-it-to-the-world-20211112-p598je.html

I’m sorry but Hartcher obviously doesn’t know the Canute story. He makes the same mistake as most people.

That was mentioned:

“By Friday afternoon, there was no indication that any of these governments – the US, Japan, India or Australia – was acting on Keating’s instructions … In the case of Keating, there is no such hint of self-awareness.”

then his opening para is a waste of words.

oh what was that again

US officials have said they believe direct engagement with Mr Xi is the best way to prevent the relationship between the world’s two biggest economies from spiralling toward conflict.

oh wait

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That was mentioned:

then his opening para is a waste of words.

Aren’t you a negative Nancy.

Surely advocating for economy in language is a positive and optimistic venture.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That was mentioned:

“By Friday afternoon, there was no indication that any of these governments – the US, Japan, India or Australia – was acting on Keating’s instructions. As King Canute found in trying to turn back the tide, he was kidding himself. In the case of the 11th century King of England, scholars think that – if the tale is true, and it’s probably apocryphal – he was likely trying to demonstrate the limits of his powers, his humility before God. In the case of Keating, there is no such hint of self-awareness.”

then his opening para is a waste of words.

Aren’t you a negative Nancy.

Yes.

:-)

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:

then his opening para is a waste of words.

Aren’t you a negative Nancy.

Surely advocating for economy in language is a positive and optimistic venture.

Yes.

:-)

sarahs mum said:

Let’s just hope.

Ian said:

Hmmm.

Ian said:

I will have to give that long and careful thought.

Rather appropriate.

Spiny Norman said:

Rather appropriate.

LOLOLOLOL

Ian said:

I think I’ll stay locked down until the guard/s lose their job.

Spiny Norman said:

Rather appropriate.

Doesn’t he also have a cat that looks like that?

https://theshot.net.au/national/neither-technology-nor-taxes-just-lots-and-lots-of-gaslighting/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/24/is-australias-anti-lockdown-movement-a-creature-of-corporate-dark-money/

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/24/is-australias-anti-lockdown-movement-a-creature-of-corporate-dark-money/

try telling that to Margaret.

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/24/is-australias-anti-lockdown-movement-a-creature-of-corporate-dark-money/

try telling that to Margaret.

(margaret doesn’t understand the concept of right and left.)

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/09/24/is-australias-anti-lockdown-movement-a-creature-of-corporate-dark-money/

try telling that to Margaret.

(margaret doesn’t understand the concept of right and left.)

So she’s still not vaxxed?

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

try telling that to Margaret.

(margaret doesn’t understand the concept of right and left.)

So she’s still not vaxxed?

Na. She keeps on sending me links to the protests. Shes upset that one of her daughters got vaxxed. And the Bruny Island cousins all got vaxxed when they said they weren’t going to get vaxxed!!!

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

(margaret doesn’t understand the concept of right and left.)

So she’s still not vaxxed?

Na. She keeps on sending me links to the protests. Shes upset that one of her daughters got vaxxed. And the Bruny Island cousins all got vaxxed when they said they weren’t going to get vaxxed!!!

Her warped perspective is presumably being continually reinforced by people she respects more than the sane amongst us.

Wait We Thought We Were Meant To Be Laughing Because These Trade Wars Are Only Hurting The Warlords

More importantly, from a strategic standpoint, the events of the past two years have highlighted the dangers of being a one-trick export pony exclusively hitched to just one wagon.

Bogsnorkler said:

Yep.

Bogsnorkler said:

Yep.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Yep.

yep.

Advise me on the Voter ID laws
I believe you have the right to be heard by your politicians. That’s why I want your advice on this issue.

Should we need an ID to vote?

https://www.senatorlambie.com.au/voterid

Witty Rejoinder said:

Advise me on the Voter ID laws
I believe you have the right to be heard by your politicians. That’s why I want your advice on this issue.

Should we need an ID to vote?

https://www.senatorlambie.com.au/voterid

This is sounding more like Donald Trump every day.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Advise me on the Voter ID laws
I believe you have the right to be heard by your politicians. That’s why I want your advice on this issue.

Should we need an ID to vote?

https://www.senatorlambie.com.au/voterid

This is sounding more like Donald Trump every day.

China China China.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Yep.

yep.

Also sticking Australian flags everywhere including over your mouth as a mask..doesn’t help.(It makes me want a new flag more. and no.. Scotty’s marketing shouldn’t use the symbolism to push his myths.)
9

Witty Rejoinder said:

Advise me on the Voter ID laws
I believe you have the right to be heard by your politicians. That’s why I want your advice on this issue.

Should we need an ID to vote?

https://www.senatorlambie.com.au/voterid

Why does it need to be pushed through now?

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Advise me on the Voter ID laws
I believe you have the right to be heard by your politicians. That’s why I want your advice on this issue.

Should we need an ID to vote?

https://www.senatorlambie.com.au/voterid

Why does it need to be pushed through now?

Scomo is doing everything he can do that either the Libs have always wanted to or what he’s always wanted the Libs to do because they worry that the election might go to Labor. The message in the bush is push everything down or through before Labor gets back in.

Craig Kelly United Australia party ad on the teev. Slogan…Freedom Freedom Freedom.

sarahs mum said:

Craig Kelly United Australia party ad on the teev. Slogan…Freedom Freedom Freedom.

context.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/15/the-planet-is-on-the-clock-and-australia-has-an-inexplicable-position-on-climate-it-really-isnt-funny

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/16/coalition-waters-down-religious-discrimination-bill-by-scrapping-folau-clause

Bogsnorkler said:

Victorian opposition leader Matthew Guy did say that some of the protest antics were bat-shit crazy.

Bogsnorkler said:

https://theaimn.com/gallows-in-the-streets-of-melbourne/

Bogsnorkler said:

Because these are our values?

Whose values exactly?

Bogsnorkler said:

Yes outrageous. Though it has been commented on in the media.

What are the visible indicators of Qanon types?

but this a “war for the hearts and minds of the Victorian public”

Ian said:

What are the visible indicators of Qanon types?

For me, the real problem with this photo is that we can’t see the face of the guy carrying the gallows….

He’s the fucktard that should be front and centre there

Bogsnorkler said:

In primary school we played a “guess the word” game called hangman. Literally, get it right kids or some poor sod will hang. Lot of pressure for such a young age. Hanging someone gets treated like it’s no big deal…

furious said:

. Hanging someone gets treated like it’s no big deal…

Henry Bolte did that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Because these are our values?

Whose values exactly?

I think you are reading it in the wrong context. it looks more rhetorical than anything else.

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Because these are our values?

Whose values exactly?

I think you are reading it in the wrong context. it looks more rhetorical than anything else.

So what do you think is the point of this rhetoric?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Because these are our values?

Whose values exactly?

I think you are reading it in the wrong context. it looks more rhetorical than anything else.

So what do you think is the point of this rhetoric?

I think you answered that question by questioning whose values these are.

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I think you are reading it in the wrong context. it looks more rhetorical than anything else.

So what do you think is the point of this rhetoric?

I think you answered that question by questioning whose values these are.

If I did, I don’t understand my answer. Can you spell it out for me?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So what do you think is the point of this rhetoric?

I think you answered that question by questioning whose values these are.

If I did, I don’t understand my answer. Can you spell it out for me?

No.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Because these are our values?

Whose values exactly?

It appears to be those of some. Don’t know who.

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

I think you answered that question by questioning whose values these are.

If I did, I don’t understand my answer. Can you spell it out for me?

No.

Why not?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I did, I don’t understand my answer. Can you spell it out for me?

No.

Why not?

Tell him to pull the middle one, you may get more enlightenment from that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I did, I don’t understand my answer. Can you spell it out for me?

No.

Why not?

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

No.

Why not?

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

thank you.

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Why not?

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

thank you.

and the relative silence from politicians and some media giving the impression of tacit support.

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

thank you.

and the relative silence from politicians and some media giving the impression of tacit support.

Probably all paid for by Clive Palmer through some unlinkable stooge.

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

thank you.

and the relative silence from politicians and some media giving the impression of tacit support.

OTOH these are anti-government demonstrations from an obvious and fairly despised minority.

Bubblecar said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Bogsnorkler said:

thank you.

and the relative silence from politicians and some media giving the impression of tacit support.

OTOH these are anti-government demonstrations from an obvious and fairly despised minority.

Whom do have a right to parade the streets and look like dickheads.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

No.

Why not?

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

Well that’s not the reaction it got from me, but that may well be what he was saying, so thanks.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Why not?

I think Boris is saying that the rhetoric aimed to promote debate about how we as individuals feel about these rightwing antics which is exactly the reaction it inspired in you.

Well that’s not the reaction it got from me, but that may well be what he was saying, so thanks.

Well, at least we got somewhere with it even if it wasn’t the complete destination.

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

Bubblecar said:

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

The place seems to have become more like the Women’s Weekly, every day.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

The place seems to have become more like the Women’s Weekly, every day.

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/person-of-interest/11670066

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

The place seems to have become more like the Women’s Weekly, every day.

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/person-of-interest/11670066

The point is, do they need to repeat what the commercial stations report? Is this in the charter?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

The place seems to have become more like the Women’s Weekly, every day.

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/person-of-interest/11670066

The point is, do they need to repeat what the commercial stations report? Is this in the charter?

I don’t seem to recall that ever being the case.

Bubblecar said:

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

Thousands marching down the streets of Melbourne is newsworthy.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/person-of-interest/11670066

The point is, do they need to repeat what the commercial stations report? Is this in the charter?

I don’t seem to recall that ever being the case.

I know they have a commitment to training reporters…

Ian said:

Bubblecar said:

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

Thousands marching down the streets of Melbourne is newsworthy.

What else do we need to know? It isn’t on the scale of the moratorium on conscription or the NO DAMS in Tassie.

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

The place seems to have become more like the Women’s Weekly, every day.

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/person-of-interest/11670066

The point is, do they need to repeat what the commercial stations report? Is this in the charter?

erm, news is news and is reported by various outlets in various styles.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/person-of-interest/11670066

The point is, do they need to repeat what the commercial stations report? Is this in the charter?

erm, news is news and is reported by various outlets in various styles.

OK so what was new in the report you linked? New today, I mean.
I’m sure you have noted how many new posts of so called what we now know of the William Tyrrell investigation there have been today?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

The point is, do they need to repeat what the commercial stations report? Is this in the charter?

erm, news is news and is reported by various outlets in various styles.

OK so what was new in the report you linked? New today, I mean.
I’m sure you have noted how many new posts of so called what we now know of the William Tyrrell investigation there have been today?

I don’t believe I’ve seen anything on the subject here today. This report is a 4Corners episode on a person suspected of the crime but falsely.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I did, I don’t understand my answer. Can you spell it out for me?

No.

Why not?

Coz ‘e can’t spell. :)

roughbarked said:

Ian said:

Bubblecar said:

What I find more disturbing is that the ABC tends to treat these protests with far more respect than they deserve.

Thousands marching down the streets of Melbourne is newsworthy.

What else do we need to know?

Why does it appear there are more dickheads per sq m in Melbourne than there are Sydney?

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

Ian said:

Thousands marching down the streets of Melbourne is newsworthy.

What else do we need to know?

Why does it appear there are more dickheads per sq m in Melbourne than there are Sydney?

Possibly because a Labor premier incites ire in groups that are dominated by RWNJs.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

What else do we need to know?

Why does it appear there are more dickheads per sq m in Melbourne than there are Sydney?

Possibly because a Labor premier incites ire in groups that are dominated by RWNJs.

Yeah, but looking back over the years it seems to me that Melbourne’s demos are always uglier than Sydney’s.

Ian said:

Yeah, but looking back over the years it seems to me that Melbourne’s demos are always uglier than Sydney’s.

Melbourne demo

Sydney demo

Woodie said:

Ian said:

Yeah, but looking back over the years it seems to me that Melbourne’s demos are always uglier than Sydney’s.

Melbourne demo

Sydney demo

😄

Ian said:

roughbarked said:

Ian said:

Thousands marching down the streets of Melbourne is newsworthy.

What else do we need to know?

Why does it appear there are more dickheads per sq m in Melbourne than there are Sydney?

Sydney covers more land?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/17/most-of-united-australia-partys-videos-pulled-from-youtube-for-allegedly-violating-advertising-policy

sarahs mum said:

Why don’t they set up their own Nazi ABC?

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Why don’t they set up their own Nazi ABC?

Probably because it would still require people of skill, knowledge and talent, and there just aren’t that many skilled, knowledgeable and talented Nazis.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Why don’t they set up their own Nazi ABC?

Probably because it would still require people of skill, knowledge and talent, and there just aren’t that many skilled, knowledgeable and talented Nazis.

nice uniforms though.

sarahs mum said:

The IRA BC.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Why don’t they set up their own Nazi ABC?

It’s a list of people who are professional awfuls.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Why don’t they set up their own Nazi ABC?

It’s a list of people who are professional awfuls.

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

*growls.

It’s my ABC.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Why don’t they set up their own Nazi ABC?

It’s a list of people who are professional awfuls.

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

It’s sad that all LWNJs thing all right wingers are nut jobs.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a list of people who are professional awfuls.

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

It’s sad that all LWNJs thing all right wingers are nut jobs.

Nothing wrong with those on the centre right who know where they sit.. But to think you’re centre right but to have hounded Malcolm Turnbull out of office like this IPA supported mob in incontestably nutty.

sarahs mum said:

If I was going to write a satirical anti-IPA ad, that’s exactly what it would look like.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a list of people who are professional awfuls.

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

It’s sad that all LWNJs thing all right wingers are nut jobs.

The IPA themselves would take grave offence at being called “moderates”.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

It’s a list of people who are professional awfuls.

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

It’s sad that all LWNJs thing all right wingers are nut jobs.

Maybe all of us think that we are around the center, but depending on where you are on the spectrum, some are on the left, and some are on the right.

My guess is that in general, the rightists prefer money and the leftists prefer life.

Kingy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

It’s sad that all LWNJs thing all right wingers are nut jobs.

Maybe all of us think that we are around the center, but depending on where you are on the spectrum, some are on the left, and some are on the right.

My guess is that in general, the rightists prefer money and the leftists prefer life.

I’m pretty left.

Kingy said:

Maybe all of us think that we are around the center, but depending on where you are on the spectrum, some are on the left, and some are on the right.

My guess is that in general, the rightists prefer money and the leftists prefer life.

I have a social conscience. Not too sure where that puts me.

Kingy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s a bit sad when RWNJs don’t realise they are RWNJs.

It’s sad that all LWNJs thing all right wingers are nut jobs.

Maybe all of us think that we are around the center, but depending on where you are on the spectrum, some are on the left, and some are on the right.

My guess is that in general, the rightists prefer money and the leftists prefer life.

That’s why there is no successful right-wing GetUp despite many efforts. No motivation when there is no way to make a buck while left-wingers are happy to support grassroots democracy and community activism as goals in and of themselves.

i’ll have a listen to these, take a while, won’t be all today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Lrj-nV5bg
Episode 1 – Their Bias

it doesn’t impress me much off the bat, feels like ABC bashing to me, frankly if they increased funding so they produced more drama series, more homegrown content, entertainment, that would be nice, there’s only so much reality a person wants in a day, anything would be nice, an hour here and there that’s not poisoned with the view that everything is political

only a few things piss me off about the ABC, they are fairly specific, perhaps peculiar to me

but they apply of all the major networks really

transition said:

i’ll have a listen to these, take a while, won’t be all today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Lrj-nV5bg
Episode 1 – Their Bias

it doesn’t impress me much off the bat, feels like ABC bashing to me, frankly if they increased funding so they produced more drama series, more homegrown content, entertainment, that would be nice, there’s only so much reality a person wants in a day, anything would be nice, an hour here and there that’s not poisoned with the view that everything is political

only a few things piss me off about the ABC, they are fairly specific, perhaps peculiar to me

but they apply of all the major networks really

I might give it a go tomorrow. I don’t want to get upset now.

Ian said:

It’s upside-down, Miss Pat.

Woodie said:

Kingy said:

Maybe all of us think that we are around the center, but depending on where you are on the spectrum, some are on the left, and some are on the right.

My guess is that in general, the rightists prefer money and the leftists prefer life.

I have a social conscience. Not too sure where that puts me.

Over in the corner with me.

buffy said:

Woodie said:

Kingy said:

Maybe all of us think that we are around the center, but depending on where you are on the spectrum, some are on the left, and some are on the right.

My guess is that in general, the rightists prefer money and the leftists prefer life.

I have a social conscience. Not too sure where that puts me.

Over in the corner with me.

And most of us, although I must admit I probably don’t donate enough to charity.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/19/a-farce-experts-dismiss-government-claims-a-controversial-and-unproven-technology-will-cut-emissions-by-15

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/religious-discrimination-bill-will-override-states-equality-protections-education-union-warns

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/electoral-commission-urged-to-probe-funding-of-voices-for-movements-20210901-p58nuh.html

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

he’s either seen the light or come over to the dark side.

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

TATE says:

Party: Liberal Party of Australia (Since 2019)

Since 2019?

What’s that about?

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

Much the same happened to Mal Fraser.

It’s not so much that they ‘turn into lefties’.

It’s that, as the Liberals move steadily farther to the right, discarding whatever principles the party once had, people like Johnno and Mal get left behind, and their position becomes left of the party.

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

TATE says:

Party: Liberal Party of Australia (Since 2019)

Since 2019?

What’s that about?

That was when the mining and oil companies bought them out and relaunched the brand.

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

John Hewson Mark Latham, as some politicians mature their views change.

The church has always been in the business of shame – now it wants a law to protect its nastiness
David Marr

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/the-church-has-always-been-in-the-business-of-shame-now-it-wants-a-law-to-protect-its-nastiness

Bubblecar said:

The church has always been in the business of shame – now it wants a law to protect its nastiness
David Marr

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/the-church-has-always-been-in-the-business-of-shame-now-it-wants-a-law-to-protect-its-nastiness

Hadn’t heard from Mr Marr recently.

I’m glad he’s still going.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

John Hewson Mark Latham, as some politicians mature their views change.

Mark Latham hadn’t matured rather than gone off

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

sarahs mum said:

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

Never ‘eard of him.

But according to TATE, Mr, Car should be a big fan:

“Hawke is a personal opponent of same-sex marriage, and in the debate said that he does “not hold a view that people should not be treated equally under the law”. He claimed that the family unit is the bedrock of society and that same sex marriage undermines that. There were conflicting claims as to how Hawke voted for the bill for same sex marriage, with the Murdoch press claiming that he supported it, while the ABC stating that it appeared likely he abstained from the vote. Hawke had earlier called for a conscience vote.

Through his position in the ministry he has called for closer ties to the Pacific region, and to assist them with development. Hawke said that “their prosperity is our prosperity”. He has supported the shake up of foreign aid which involves a reduction of the foreign aid budget, and according to critics, will allow China more influence in the Pacific region. However these new closer ties did not require further action on climate change despite the calls from Pacific leaders for Australia to reduce their carbon emissions to help the low lying Pacific islands.

Hawke has been consistent in his views of limiting the government responses to climate change. In his speeches for the introduction of the Gillard Government’s carbon tax, Hawke spoke about the action not being sufficient to affect a meaningful change and therefore should not be done. He has also claimed that no one has done more to negate the effects of regional climate change than Australia, a claim the Pacific nations reject.

Hawke declined to intervene as the assistant immigration minister in the case of an intellectually disabled woman who was being cared for in the home by her family in her application for permanent residency. The decision of the immigration department would have meant a return to her country of origin where she had no family and likely institutionalization.”

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

Never ‘eard of him.

But according to TATE, Mr, Car should be a big fan:

“Hawke is a personal opponent of same-sex marriage, and in the debate said that he does “not hold a view that people should not be treated equally under the law”. He claimed that the family unit is the bedrock of society and that same sex marriage undermines that. There were conflicting claims as to how Hawke voted for the bill for same sex marriage, with the Murdoch press claiming that he supported it, while the ABC stating that it appeared likely he abstained from the vote. Hawke had earlier called for a conscience vote.

Through his position in the ministry he has called for closer ties to the Pacific region, and to assist them with development. Hawke said that “their prosperity is our prosperity”. He has supported the shake up of foreign aid which involves a reduction of the foreign aid budget, and according to critics, will allow China more influence in the Pacific region. However these new closer ties did not require further action on climate change despite the calls from Pacific leaders for Australia to reduce their carbon emissions to help the low lying Pacific islands.

Hawke has been consistent in his views of limiting the government responses to climate change. In his speeches for the introduction of the Gillard Government’s carbon tax, Hawke spoke about the action not being sufficient to affect a meaningful change and therefore should not be done. He has also claimed that no one has done more to negate the effects of regional climate change than Australia, a claim the Pacific nations reject.

Hawke declined to intervene as the assistant immigration minister in the case of an intellectually disabled woman who was being cared for in the home by her family in her application for permanent residency. The decision of the immigration department would have meant a return to her country of origin where she had no family and likely institutionalization.”

He’s a pedigree creep:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

Never ‘eard of him.

But according to TATE, Mr, Car should be a big fan:

“Hawke is a personal opponent of same-sex marriage, and in the debate said that he does “not hold a view that people should not be treated equally under the law”. He claimed that the family unit is the bedrock of society and that same sex marriage undermines that. There were conflicting claims as to how Hawke voted for the bill for same sex marriage, with the Murdoch press claiming that he supported it, while the ABC stating that it appeared likely he abstained from the vote. Hawke had earlier called for a conscience vote.

Through his position in the ministry he has called for closer ties to the Pacific region, and to assist them with development. Hawke said that “their prosperity is our prosperity”. He has supported the shake up of foreign aid which involves a reduction of the foreign aid budget, and according to critics, will allow China more influence in the Pacific region. However these new closer ties did not require further action on climate change despite the calls from Pacific leaders for Australia to reduce their carbon emissions to help the low lying Pacific islands.

Hawke has been consistent in his views of limiting the government responses to climate change. In his speeches for the introduction of the Gillard Government’s carbon tax, Hawke spoke about the action not being sufficient to affect a meaningful change and therefore should not be done. He has also claimed that no one has done more to negate the effects of regional climate change than Australia, a claim the Pacific nations reject.

Hawke declined to intervene as the assistant immigration minister in the case of an intellectually disabled woman who was being cared for in the home by her family in her application for permanent residency. The decision of the immigration department would have meant a return to her country of origin where she had no family and likely institutionalization.”

He’s a pedigree creep:

I know you shouldn’t stereotype people based on their appearance, but bloody-hell, he looks the part.

sarahs mum said:

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

If i recall correctly…

…Mr. Hawke is a member of the Hillsong Happy-Clappy Club, just like our esteemed Prime Marketer.

And it was his wife’s parents who were passengers aboard the Grubby Princess when it arrived in Sydney last year, and who were staring down the barrel of a long quarantine until everyone in authority in NSW decided to simultaneously turn their backs and allow the passengers to escape ashore. You know, back when Gladys had an idea that she had some kind of political future.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

If i recall correctly…

…Mr. Hawke is a member of the Hillsong Happy-Clappy Club, just like our esteemed Prime Marketer.

And it was his wife’s parents who were passengers aboard the Grubby Princess when it arrived in Sydney last year, and who were staring down the barrel of a long quarantine until everyone in authority in NSW decided to simultaneously turn their backs and allow the passengers to escape ashore. You know, back when Gladys had an idea that she had some kind of political future.

That’s not bad recall.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

A number of Liberals are frustrated about the backroom tactics of a key ally of the prime minister – the immigration minister, Alex Hawke. Party sources say Hawke has been deliberately delaying preselections in Morrison’s home state in order to circumvent grassroots plebiscites to install candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/liberals-push-to-speed-up-nsw-preselections-amid-frustration-at-tactics-of-key-scott-morrison-ally

If i recall correctly…

…Mr. Hawke is a member of the Hillsong Happy-Clappy Club, just like our esteemed Prime Marketer.

And it was his wife’s parents who were passengers aboard the Grubby Princess when it arrived in Sydney last year, and who were staring down the barrel of a long quarantine until everyone in authority in NSW decided to simultaneously turn their backs and allow the passengers to escape ashore. You know, back when Gladys had an idea that she had some kind of political future.

That’s not bad recall.

He was also once the head of the Young Liberals. Was regarded as being on the verge of the lunatic fringe during his tenure there. Now the lunatic fringe seems to have become mainstream.

party_pants said:

He was also once the head of the Young Liberals. Was regarded as being on the verge of the lunatic fringe during his tenure there. Now the lunatic fringe seems to have become mainstream.

…running the asylum.

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

he’s either seen the light or come over to the dark side.

Big Mal drifted left as he aged too. I always thought it was a shame some of these people weren’t faster learners. They could have had so many more people friendly years in their lives.

buffy said:

Big Mal drifted left as he aged too. I always thought it was a shame some of these people weren’t faster learners. They could have had so many more people friendly years in their lives.

You have to get them away from the lobbyists, and from their staffers who are on the take from various interest and pressure groups, who constantly pour bullshit into their ears.

Once they’ve been away from the game for a while, and see the way that things are working in the way that everyone else does, they start to think for themselves.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

He was also once the head of the Young Liberals. Was regarded as being on the verge of the lunatic fringe during his tenure there. Now the lunatic fringe seems to have become mainstream.

…running the asylum.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209813/

“Takin’ over the Asylum”

I’d forgotten David Tennant was in that. He was very young (and very good)

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Big Mal drifted left as he aged too. I always thought it was a shame some of these people weren’t faster learners. They could have had so many more people friendly years in their lives.

You have to get them away from the lobbyists, and from their staffers who are on the take from various interest and pressure groups, who constantly pour bullshit into their ears.

Once they’ve been away from the game for a while, and see the way that things are working in the way that everyone else does, they start to think for themselves.

Malcolm was a grazier, so moved in different circles to the majority of people. Although, having said that, he wasn’t averse to coming into town in his paddock clothes at times. He came into the practice on one occasion that I can remember, and my young receptionist had no idea who he was. Admittedly she was too young to know, and even afterwards when we explained to her about The Dismissal etc she said she hadn’t learnt any of that stuff at school.

buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

he’s either seen the light or come over to the dark side.

Big Mal drifted left as he aged too. I always thought it was a shame some of these people weren’t faster learners. They could have had so many more people friendly years in their lives.

Did he though or did the party swerve right?

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/19/former-liberal-leader-to-join-forces-with-labor-veteran-in-bid-to-target-morrison-ahead-of-election

Turned into a bloody lefty, that Hewson bloke.

Much the same happened to Mal Fraser.

It’s not so much that they ‘turn into lefties’.

It’s that, as the Liberals move steadily farther to the right, discarding whatever principles the party once had, people like Johnno and Mal get left behind, and their position becomes left of the party.

and subsequently they left the party?

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/scott-morrison-wants-to-pretend-nothing-has-changed-when-everything-has/

Mad leftist:

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-open-to-charges-of-climate-hypocrisy-says-julie-bishop-20211119-p59abu.html

JudgeMental said:

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/scott-morrison-wants-to-pretend-nothing-has-changed-when-everything-has/

Good bit of writty.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Mad leftist:

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-open-to-charges-of-climate-hypocrisy-says-julie-bishop-20211119-p59abu.html

paywalled against leftists.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Mad leftist:

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-open-to-charges-of-climate-hypocrisy-says-julie-bishop-20211119-p59abu.html

paywalled against leftists.

Australia open to charges of climate hypocrisy, says Julie Bishop
Nick O’Malley
By Nick O’Malley
November 19, 2021 — 1.07pm

You never know when you are going to need a friend.

Nearly seven years ago Flight MH17 was shot out of the sky over Ukraine killing 298 passengers and crew including 27 Australians and 93 Dutch. Officials could not immediately access the crash site to recover the dead and begin investigations because the area was controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

Australia at the time was fully engaged in the United Nations having secured a seat on the Security Council a year earlier. Then foreign minister Julie Bishop flew to New York to lead a push to have the council support an Australian resolution to have Russia make the crash site safe.

Negotiations were tense and fast. When the council met it was not clear if Russia would use its blocking veto. The US and other nations backed the Australian resolution, but the key figure in Bishop’s corner fighting was then Dutch foreign minister Frans Timmermans.

His intervention stilled the room. “Since Thursday, I’ve been thinking how horrible the final moments of their lives must have been, when they knew the plane was going down,” he said in loud, clear English, pausing once, perhaps to gather himself. “Did they lock hands with their loved ones? Did they hold their children close to their hearts? Did they look each other in the eyes, one final time, in a wordless goodbye? We will never know.”

When the vote came Russia backed the resolution.

If the name Timmermans rings a bell it is because he was there again on the floor of a crucial UN meeting last weekend at the COP26 climate talks, now serving as the European Commission’s executive vice president for the European Green Deal. And again he was seeking to push a matter forward with the strength of his own commitment and a determination to personalise an abstract problem.

At the time India backed by China had shocked the assembly by seeking to dilute language in the agreement about the need to phase out fossil fuels. (They preferred phase “down”.) Observers now don’t see a material difference in the wording but at the time the COP president Alok Sharma clearly feared the fragile consensus the world had just arrived at would fray.

Timmermans was among those who joined the fight to hold together the accord.

“For heaven’s sake, don’t kill this moment by asking for more text, different text, deleting this, deleting that. I implore you. Please embrace this text so we can bring hope to the hearts of our children and grandchildren. They are waiting for us. They will not forgive us if we fail them today.”

Australia’s speech was different.

The address by Australia’s Ambassador for the Environment Jamie Isbister was oddly flat in a room heated with passion. Sharma was not the only official brought to tears that day, and many delegates and ministers struggled with emotion as they voiced their reservations in backing what they saw as a flawed agreement.

Isbister, observers noted at the time, looked as though he was going through the motions as he said Australia “recognised the strong focus” on climate finance “heard the call” for loss and damage funding and “can accept the text” of the final document”.

Within hours though both the energy and foreign ministers said Australia would not revisit its 2030 targets, as called for by the agreement their government had just endorsed in Glasgow.

What is striking since the COP finished and the comments were reported, is not how frank condemnation of Australia has been, but how reserved it has been. At least from official sources.

Whitehall immediately registered the comments, and the UK government was not impressed, especially given how much political effort and capital both Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Sharma had spent seeking a strong outcome at the talks. The UK is of the view that Australia was at once happy for the Indian pushback at COP26, and happy not to be forced to publicly support it.

But as both governments continue to hammer out a free trade agreement, there has been no official response.

Asked to comment, one senior EU official who was present at COP simply said it was striking that he had “not heard ‘Australia’ mentioned much if at all during the negotiations or by journalists”.

Al Gore has commented on Australia’s stance, noting that, without improving its 2030 target, its 2050 pledge has “little meaning”, but there has been no public word from the White House or the US delegation.

On Twitter Tina Stege, a moral force at COP26 in her dual roles as climate envoy for the Marshall Islands and the leading voice of the voting bloc of nations, the High Ambition Coalition, wondered if the “ink was even dry” on the Glasgow Pact when Australia declared it would not reconsider its targets.

In Australia prominent government critics of the Paris process piled on.

Barnaby Joyce snickered at the emotion Sharma displayed in the final moments of the Glasgow negotiations and Matt Canavan celebrated the COP26 result as a “green light” for building new Australian coal mines.

This is not what the Glasgow Pact says in spirit or word, and Australia’s political response has been noted, says Dr Wesley Morgan, a specialist on Pacific affairs climate diplomacy with the Climate Council.

He notes that a mechanism to increase pressure on Australia is built into the Glasgow Pact, which calls on signatories to revisit their reductions targets annually to bring them into line with Paris goals.

In failing to do so, says Morgan, would not just be thumbing its nose at the Paris process and the Glasgow Pact, but at the global rules-based order Australia professes to support.

Climate change is now woven into the fabric of diplomacy. It was central to this year’s G7 and G20 talks this year and in our Pacific region it was built into the Boe Declaration on Regional Security.

Australia, says Morgan, risks not only fracturing relationships over climate, but by not being engaged it is rendering itself mute in the debate of “the how” the order should be shaped.

“Collectively agreed rules negotiated through multilateral diplomacy are essential to the international order. More than 190 countries just signed the Glasgow Pact and ignoring it is frankly disgraceful, it undermines our commitment to the rules based order,” Morgan says.

And this recalls Julie Bishop and the government’s efforts to secure that seat on the UN Security Council almost a decade ago.

Bishop, now Australian National University Chancellor, championed the argument that the effort and cost was worth it. Australia, as a middle power, had more to benefit than most nations not only from the world abiding by the rules, but by being at the table while the rules were being written.

On Friday she told the Herald and The Age that the gap between Australia’s international commitment and its domestic political rhetoric opened the door to charges of hypocrisy.

“When you play a spoiler role your reputation can be tarnished,” says Bishop.

“We are an open export-oriented trading nation, we rely heavily on access to markets around the world and our diplomatic weight should reflect our status and our interests. I don’t believe that’s currently the case.

“Our diplomatic effort, and that includes our commitment to multilateral agreements and institutions, has to be backed by critical domestic policy actions. Otherwise, we are seen as hypocrites or unreliable. Our word can’t be relied upon and can’t be trusted. And our reputation is absolutely vital for broader national interest.

“Australia’s diplomatic effort on the international stage is not matched by what is said at home and that gives rise to a lack of trust in our diplomatic efforts.”

Climate change, she says, is one of a small handful of disruptive forces shifting the global order, along with increasing competition between China and the US and a digital technology revolution.

In her view to protect its interests in a changing world Australia must increase funding for DFAT and foreign aid and demonstrate itself to be a reliable and effective player in climate.

Because you never know when you are going to need a friend.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Mad leftist:

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-open-to-charges-of-climate-hypocrisy-says-julie-bishop-20211119-p59abu.html

paywalled against leftists.

Australia open to charges of climate hypocrisy, says Julie Bishop
Nick O’Malley
By Nick O’Malley
November 19, 2021 — 1.07pm

You never know when you are going to need a friend.

Nearly seven years ago Flight MH17 was shot out of the sky over Ukraine killing 298 passengers and crew including 27 Australians and 93 Dutch. Officials could not immediately access the crash site to recover the dead and begin investigations because the area was controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

Australia at the time was fully engaged in the United Nations having secured a seat on the Security Council a year earlier. Then foreign minister Julie Bishop flew to New York to lead a push to have the council support an Australian resolution to have Russia make the crash site safe.

Negotiations were tense and fast. When the council met it was not clear if Russia would use its blocking veto. The US and other nations backed the Australian resolution, but the key figure in Bishop’s corner fighting was then Dutch foreign minister Frans Timmermans.

His intervention stilled the room. “Since Thursday, I’ve been thinking how horrible the final moments of their lives must have been, when they knew the plane was going down,” he said in loud, clear English, pausing once, perhaps to gather himself. “Did they lock hands with their loved ones? Did they hold their children close to their hearts? Did they look each other in the eyes, one final time, in a wordless goodbye? We will never know.”

When the vote came Russia backed the resolution.

If the name Timmermans rings a bell it is because he was there again on the floor of a crucial UN meeting last weekend at the COP26 climate talks, now serving as the European Commission’s executive vice president for the European Green Deal. And again he was seeking to push a matter forward with the strength of his own commitment and a determination to personalise an abstract problem.

At the time India backed by China had shocked the assembly by seeking to dilute language in the agreement about the need to phase out fossil fuels. (They preferred phase “down”.) Observers now don’t see a material difference in the wording but at the time the COP president Alok Sharma clearly feared the fragile consensus the world had just arrived at would fray.

Timmermans was among those who joined the fight to hold together the accord.

“For heaven’s sake, don’t kill this moment by asking for more text, different text, deleting this, deleting that. I implore you. Please embrace this text so we can bring hope to the hearts of our children and grandchildren. They are waiting for us. They will not forgive us if we fail them today.”

Australia’s speech was different.

The address by Australia’s Ambassador for the Environment Jamie Isbister was oddly flat in a room heated with passion. Sharma was not the only official brought to tears that day, and many delegates and ministers struggled with emotion as they voiced their reservations in backing what they saw as a flawed agreement.

Isbister, observers noted at the time, looked as though he was going through the motions as he said Australia “recognised the strong focus” on climate finance “heard the call” for loss and damage funding and “can accept the text” of the final document”.

Within hours though both the energy and foreign ministers said Australia would not revisit its 2030 targets, as called for by the agreement their government had just endorsed in Glasgow.

What is striking since the COP finished and the comments were reported, is not how frank condemnation of Australia has been, but how reserved it has been. At least from official sources.

Whitehall immediately registered the comments, and the UK government was not impressed, especially given how much political effort and capital both Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Sharma had spent seeking a strong outcome at the talks. The UK is of the view that Australia was at once happy for the Indian pushback at COP26, and happy not to be forced to publicly support it.

But as both governments continue to hammer out a free trade agreement, there has been no official response.

Asked to comment, one senior EU official who was present at COP simply said it was striking that he had “not heard ‘Australia’ mentioned much if at all during the negotiations or by journalists”.

Al Gore has commented on Australia’s stance, noting that, without improving its 2030 target, its 2050 pledge has “little meaning”, but there has been no public word from the White House or the US delegation.

On Twitter Tina Stege, a moral force at COP26 in her dual roles as climate envoy for the Marshall Islands and the leading voice of the voting bloc of nations, the High Ambition Coalition, wondered if the “ink was even dry” on the Glasgow Pact when Australia declared it would not reconsider its targets.

In Australia prominent government critics of the Paris process piled on.

Barnaby Joyce snickered at the emotion Sharma displayed in the final moments of the Glasgow negotiations and Matt Canavan celebrated the COP26 result as a “green light” for building new Australian coal mines.

This is not what the Glasgow Pact says in spirit or word, and Australia’s political response has been noted, says Dr Wesley Morgan, a specialist on Pacific affairs climate diplomacy with the Climate Council.

He notes that a mechanism to increase pressure on Australia is built into the Glasgow Pact, which calls on signatories to revisit their reductions targets annually to bring them into line with Paris goals.

In failing to do so, says Morgan, would not just be thumbing its nose at the Paris process and the Glasgow Pact, but at the global rules-based order Australia professes to support.

Climate change is now woven into the fabric of diplomacy. It was central to this year’s G7 and G20 talks this year and in our Pacific region it was built into the Boe Declaration on Regional Security.

Australia, says Morgan, risks not only fracturing relationships over climate, but by not being engaged it is rendering itself mute in the debate of “the how” the order should be shaped.

“Collectively agreed rules negotiated through multilateral diplomacy are essential to the international order. More than 190 countries just signed the Glasgow Pact and ignoring it is frankly disgraceful, it undermines our commitment to the rules based order,” Morgan says.

And this recalls Julie Bishop and the government’s efforts to secure that seat on the UN Security Council almost a decade ago.

Bishop, now Australian National University Chancellor, championed the argument that the effort and cost was worth it. Australia, as a middle power, had more to benefit than most nations not only from the world abiding by the rules, but by being at the table while the rules were being written.

On Friday she told the Herald and The Age that the gap between Australia’s international commitment and its domestic political rhetoric opened the door to charges of hypocrisy.

“When you play a spoiler role your reputation can be tarnished,” says Bishop.

“We are an open export-oriented trading nation, we rely heavily on access to markets around the world and our diplomatic weight should reflect our status and our interests. I don’t believe that’s currently the case.

“Our diplomatic effort, and that includes our commitment to multilateral agreements and institutions, has to be backed by critical domestic policy actions. Otherwise, we are seen as hypocrites or unreliable. Our word can’t be relied upon and can’t be trusted. And our reputation is absolutely vital for broader national interest.

“Australia’s diplomatic effort on the international stage is not matched by what is said at home and that gives rise to a lack of trust in our diplomatic efforts.”

Climate change, she says, is one of a small handful of disruptive forces shifting the global order, along with increasing competition between China and the US and a digital technology revolution.

In her view to protect its interests in a changing world Australia must increase funding for DFAT and foreign aid and demonstrate itself to be a reliable and effective player in climate.

Because you never know when you are going to need a friend.

Ta. Muchly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Mad leftist:

https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-open-to-charges-of-climate-hypocrisy-says-julie-bishop-20211119-p59abu.html

A perceptive piece.

Morrison’s lackeys will ensure that he never learns anything of it, of course.

I was struck by the declarations that ‘… you don’t get to decide when grief ends. Grief decides when it is done with you’.

That’s spot-on. Same goes for trauma.

JudgeMental said:

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/scott-morrison-wants-to-pretend-nothing-has-changed-when-everything-has/

But even more delusional is Morrison’s message that everyone should just forget about the last few years, so we can all go back to a simpler time when everything was totally fine (which is really Scott’s shitty light beer version of Trump’s “Make America Great Again”).

.
Yup

sarahs mum said:

Ta. Muchly.

Yes, thanks.

Julie Bishop is another example of how viewpoints and dogmatic allegiances can change when someone is freed from the poisonous infulence®s of Canberra.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Ta. Muchly.

Yes, thanks.

Julie Bishop is another example of how viewpoints and dogmatic allegiances can change when someone is freed from the poisonous infulence®s of Canberra.

But what’s up with Mandy?

She seems to have veered rightwards, if anything?

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Ta. Muchly.

Yes, thanks.

Julie Bishop is another example of how viewpoints and dogmatic allegiances can change when someone is freed from the poisonous infulence®s of Canberra.

But what’s up with Mandy?

She seems to have veered rightwards, if anything?

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, thanks.

Julie Bishop is another example of how viewpoints and dogmatic allegiances can change when someone is freed from the poisonous infulence®s of Canberra.

But what’s up with Mandy?

She seems to have veered rightwards, if anything?

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, thanks.

Julie Bishop is another example of how viewpoints and dogmatic allegiances can change when someone is freed from the poisonous infulence®s of Canberra.

But what’s up with Mandy?

She seems to have veered rightwards, if anything?

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Mr Manilow may well be a better singer than I think he is.

But I’m still not watching.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But what’s up with Mandy?

She seems to have veered rightwards, if anything?

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

I think he was a one hit wonder. 2SM played it a lot.

sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

I think he was a one hit wonder. 2SM played it a lot.

the original Englsh version was 71. Manilow’s version was 74.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

I didn’t know Mandy was originally Brandy.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

She came and gave without taking, but she was sent away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XeSQVWleqY

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

“Scott English also co-wrote other hits for other artists including Bend Me Shape Me and Hi-Ho Silver Lining”

Not a total loss, then.

Neophyte said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

“Scott English also co-wrote other hits for other artists including Bend Me Shape Me and Hi-Ho Silver Lining”

Not a total loss, then.

Oh bend me shape me is a forgettable.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Brandy was also sent away. But she was my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zhg1BeUkQ

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

I didn’t know Mandy was originally Brandy.

It’s a bit like when Racey (they had a couple of hits called “Lay Your Love on Me” and “Some Girls” Mr Car) recorded an album track written by Chinn & Chapman called “Kitty” – couple of years later Tony Basil changed the name to “Mickey” and had a worldwide hit with it.

Neophyte said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Scott English sounds neither Scot nor English (and I also thought he sounded more female than male).

I don’t recall ever hearing his work before.

I didn’t know Mandy was originally Brandy.

It’s a bit like when Racey (they had a couple of hits called “Lay Your Love on Me” and “Some Girls” Mr Car) recorded an album track written by Chinn & Chapman called “Kitty” – couple of years later Tony Basil changed the name to “Mickey” and had a worldwide hit with it.

I remember Mickey in the nightclubs of those distant days.

Bubblecar said:

Neophyte said:

Bubblecar said:

I didn’t know Mandy was originally Brandy.

It’s a bit like when Racey (they had a couple of hits called “Lay Your Love on Me” and “Some Girls” Mr Car) recorded an album track written by Chinn & Chapman called “Kitty” – couple of years later Tony Basil changed the name to “Mickey” and had a worldwide hit with it.

I remember Mickey in the nightclubs of those distant days.

I remember “Lay your love on me” and “Some girls”. Finally some music I know.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-20/morrison-on-back-foot-over-response-to-melbourne-protests/100633436

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-20/morrison-on-back-foot-over-response-to-melbourne-protests/100633436

As long as it distracts from whatever corruption his ministers and MPs are involved in, and gets a Federal ICAC off the news agenda, it’s ok with the Prime Marketer.

https://theconversation.com/the-embarrassingly-easy-tax-free-way-for-australia-to-cut-the-cost-of-electric-cars-171919

https://theconversation.com/is-the-latest-abc-inquiry-really-just-business-as-usual-171824

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=451544279676333

sarahs mum said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=451544279676333

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=451544279676333

Good ol’ Peta.

She’ll be there, passing the ammunition to the firing squads when ‘order is restored’.

Scott Morrison’s ‘unconstitutional’ Bill could end class actions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdKqwh8RJl0

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=451544279676333

Good ol’ Peta.

She’ll be there, passing the ammunition to the firing squads when ‘order is restored’.

Peta could be more helpful by saying nothing and doing nothing.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Good ol’ Peta.

She’ll be there, passing the ammunition to the firing squads when ‘order is restored’.

Peta could be more helpful by saying nothing and doing nothing.

Or tying a large rock around her own neck and walking off a pier.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

Good ol’ Peta.

She’ll be there, passing the ammunition to the firing squads when ‘order is restored’.

Peta could be more helpful by saying nothing and doing nothing.

Or tying a large rock around her own neck and walking off a pier.

or out to sea in a chaff bag…

Oh. Look who it is.

PM, NSW Premier at odds over candidates as federal intervention looms

Liberal powerbroker Alex Hawke has threatened a dramatic federal intervention in NSW that could lead to candidates being imposed in key seats across the state, during a heated meeting of the party’s state executive

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/pm-nsw-premier-at-odds-over-candidates-as-federal-intervention-looms-20211119-p59af0.html

sarahs mum said:

Oh. Look who it is.

Who’s he then.?

Looks him up.

Oh, obviously been working hard at making Albo look good then.

Well if he’s anything like his wife he’s perfectly delightful…

ttps://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/greg-mirabella-defeats-simon-frost-in-blow-to-josh-frydenberg-20211118-p59a7z.html

Inspired by the success of independents like Cathy McGowan in the Victorian seat of Indi, a community group called Voices of Hume was established back in 2019 to find a candidate to take on the sitting member for the federal electorate of Hume, Angus Taylor.
https://insidestory.org.au/the-battle-for-hume-heats-up/

I’d like to see Angus Taylor gone. I’d prefer to see him pay.

https://theaimn.com/morrisons-priorities-say-it-all/

Kaye Lee

Apparently, the most pressing issues for this government to address are dealing with non-existent voter fraud and protecting religious organisations’ rights to bigotry.

The fact that, after 8 years in government, they didn’t have an emissions reduction “plan” until a couple of days before COP26 is neither here nor there. They have important stuff to do like coming up with new three-word slogans, giving interviews on 2GB, high vis photo shoots, social media posts, and FIFO visits to wherever the latest disaster hits.

We have Alan Tudge bringing up the history curriculum again – we don’t want our kids feeling ashamed says Alan (unless they’re gay because that’s somehow bad).

Scotty’s priorities have nothing to do with what is in the best interests of the nation he supposedly leads (cough) – they are solely dictated by how to appeal to the potential One Nation and UAP voters. That’s why Morrison won’t criticise nutters like Craig Kelly and George Christensen and Matt Canavan and our Deputy PM (who apparently thinks his incoherence is entertaining??).

The get-the-government-out-of-my-life line is madness. It feeds the narrative that government can’t be trusted and endorses conspiracy theories about coercive control.

Government ministers often preface their comments with “Australians want” or “Australians know” yet they seem to be only pandering to the noisy far right. According to every poll, climate action, integrity and accountability are high on the list of what Australians want.

Former Labor minister Barry Jones has sounded an urgent call for Australians to demand better “because democracy is under serious threat and both the Coalition and the federal ALP have no vision beyond the election of 2022”.

“Only an active citizenry can prevent sliding towards authoritarian or populist democracy with its endless appeals to the short term and self-interest,” Jones says.

We have Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull teaming up, John Hewson and Barry Jones, the Business Council and the National Farmers Federation and ACOSS, not to mention the state premiers and a growing number of pissed-off foreign leaders, all lining up together to tell Morrison’s government they are not doing their job adequately.

Time to get rid of these dangerous, self-serving, talentless amateurs.

JudgeMental said:

Time to get rid of these dangerous, self-serving, talentless amateurs.

Absolutely spot -on.

With who shall we replace them?

Unfortunately, there’s unlikely to be a ‘new generation’ in any of the current major parties, or any new and more altruistic party, in existence before the next election. Or the next few elections.

The system serves those who serve the system, and they best serve the system by bringing in new people who serve the system.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/22/morrison-government-accused-of-twiddling-thumbs-on-key-bills-until-election-time

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

Time to get rid of these dangerous, self-serving, talentless amateurs.

Absolutely spot -on.

With who shall we replace them?

Unfortunately, there’s unlikely to be a ‘new generation’ in any of the current major parties, or any new and more altruistic party, in existence before the next election. Or the next few elections.

The system serves those who serve the system, and they best serve the system by bringing in new people who serve the system.

independents.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

Time to get rid of these dangerous, self-serving, talentless amateurs.

Absolutely spot -on.

With who shall we replace them?

Unfortunately, there’s unlikely to be a ‘new generation’ in any of the current major parties, or any new and more altruistic party, in existence before the next election. Or the next few elections.

The system serves those who serve the system, and they best serve the system by bringing in new people who serve the system.

independents.

We have Bob.

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

Time to get rid of these dangerous, self-serving, talentless amateurs.

Absolutely spot -on.

With who shall we replace them?

Unfortunately, there’s unlikely to be a ‘new generation’ in any of the current major parties, or any new and more altruistic party, in existence before the next election. Or the next few elections.

The system serves those who serve the system, and they best serve the system by bringing in new people who serve the system.

independents.

In an ideal world, they’d all be independents, all the time, representing the best interests of their own electorates.

In reality, that’s not workable. Every piece of legislation could require the breaking of old alliances used to secure earlier changes, and the formation of new ones. Policy on every issue would vary from member to member, and there’d be a constant search for allies for your position, and negotiation with, potentially, every member of the House by every member of the House.

Basically, nothing would ever get done (OK, that’s like the government we have right now, but, well…).

sarahs mum said:

Inspired by the success of independents like Cathy McGowan in the Victorian seat of Indi, a community group called Voices of Hume was established back in 2019 to find a candidate to take on the sitting member for the federal electorate of Hume, Angus Taylor.
https://insidestory.org.au/the-battle-for-hume-heats-up/

I’d like to see Angus Taylor gone. I’d prefer to see him pay.

bump/

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

Jacqui’s a roughnut, but she sometimes talks good sense.

To some extent, she’s the politician Pauline might have oce wanted to be.

captain_spalding said:

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

Jacqui’s a roughnut, but she sometimes talks good sense.

To some extent, she’s the politician Pauline might have oce wanted to be.

Jacqui is a problem. Just when I am pissed with her she turns around and represents me again.

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

Nice work.

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

Well let’s hope the fact it’s Lambie saying that, and not some latte sipping, ABC supporting leftie, means that at least some of the people it is aimed at will take some notice.

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

she’s probably right, but i’d add, conjecture, that mandated vaccines are being used as sort of a proxi (or whatever, not sure proper term) for mandated endemic covid, when the latter is dubious

so doesn’t really matter, with that absent from the conversation it sort of puts most people on the same page in favor of endemic covid anyway, has people converging on the same trajectory

transition said:

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

she’s probably right, but i’d add, conjecture, that mandated vaccines are being used as sort of a proxi (or whatever, not sure proper term) for mandated endemic covid, when the latter is dubious

so doesn’t really matter, with that absent from the conversation it sort of puts most people on the same page in favor of endemic covid anyway, has people converging on the same trajectory

try proxy

transition said:

try proxy

Oh, that’s good stuff. Once it sets, it never comes unstuck.

transition said:

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

she’s probably right, but i’d add, conjecture, that mandated vaccines are being used as sort of a proxi (or whatever, not sure proper term) for mandated endemic covid, when the latter is dubious

so doesn’t really matter, with that absent from the conversation it sort of puts most people on the same page in favor of endemic covid anyway, has people converging on the same trajectory

Not true at all. You can be in favour of compulsory vaccination in this or that context as part of a zero-Covid strategy.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

she’s probably right, but i’d add, conjecture, that mandated vaccines are being used as sort of a proxi (or whatever, not sure proper term) for mandated endemic covid, when the latter is dubious

so doesn’t really matter, with that absent from the conversation it sort of puts most people on the same page in favor of endemic covid anyway, has people converging on the same trajectory

Not true at all. You can be in favour of compulsory vaccination in this or that context as part of a zero-Covid strategy.

but zero covid isn’t the objective, not here, so maybe see it in terms of effect, even incidental, accidental, whatever, decide for yourself what is usefully ‘unintended’

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

she’s probably right, but i’d add, conjecture, that mandated vaccines are being used as sort of a proxi (or whatever, not sure proper term) for mandated endemic covid, when the latter is dubious

so doesn’t really matter, with that absent from the conversation it sort of puts most people on the same page in favor of endemic covid anyway, has people converging on the same trajectory

Not true at all. You can be in favour of compulsory vaccination in this or that context as part of a zero-Covid strategy.

but zero covid isn’t the objective, not here, so maybe see it in terms of effect, even incidental, accidental, whatever, decide for yourself what is usefully ‘unintended’

The objective of the powers-that-be don’t “put me on the same page in favour of endemic Covid” if I agree that certain occupations require compulsory vaccination.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Not true at all. You can be in favour of compulsory vaccination in this or that context as part of a zero-Covid strategy.

but zero covid isn’t the objective, not here, so maybe see it in terms of effect, even incidental, accidental, whatever, decide for yourself what is usefully ‘unintended’

The objective of the powers-that-be don’t “put me on the same page in favour of endemic Covid” if I agree that certain occupations require compulsory vaccination.

objective = objectives

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

try proxy

Oh, that’s good stuff. Once it sets, it never comes unstuck.

I use the electronic version, eproxy.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Having the freedom to choose isn’t the same as having the freedom to avoid the consequences of that choice.

You have freedom to make a choice. But if you make a choice, those choices have consequences.

You put others before ourselves. You can decide not to choose those checks, no one is forcing you, but if you don’t do them, you can’t work where you want to work, it is as simple as that. That is the way it is.

If you want to work as a cabbie, you need to licence to drive a cab, people without a licence are not being discriminated against.

If you want to work in aged care, you need to have a flu vaccine, that has always been in place since before Covid-19 was even a twinkle in a Chinese bat’s eye for goodness sake, that is the way it is.

People have a right to choose, but you don’t have right to put vulnerable people’s lives at risk.”She also accuses One Nation of using the bill as a “fundraising exercise”.

The problem is politicians like senator Hanson and senator Roberts are using people’s fear to boost their own election campaigns, and they are using fear to make money and that’s what this is about from One Nation.

It’s all about cash, it’s all about power, it’s all about One Nation seats, and that is all this is.

Jacqui Lambie gutting Pauline Hanson in parliament today.

Well let’s hope the fact it’s Lambie saying that, and not some latte sipping, ABC supporting leftie, means that at least some of the people it is aimed at will take some notice.

Damn, obviously I should have kept the car radio on Parliament this morning. I switched across to RN.

And i missed this by not listening to parliament too.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-22/prime-minister-backtracks-opposition-knew-of-hawaii-holiday/100640966

For goodness sake. He can’t help himself. I did listen to something on RN today where a couple of commentators discussed this business of how he is in the moment and will deny saying things previously that can be proven that he said.

buffy said:

And i missed this by not listening to parliament too.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-22/prime-minister-backtracks-opposition-knew-of-hawaii-holiday/100640966

For goodness sake. He can’t help himself. I did listen to something on RN today where a couple of commentators discussed this business of how he is in the moment and will deny saying things previously that can be proven that he said.

I think Trump set a new standard there that Scomo is trying to emulate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/pauline-hanson-government-block-federal-icac-bill/100643150

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/pauline-hanson-government-block-federal-icac-bill/100643150

Sounds like there has been some dealing done.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-to-be-introduced-by-prime-minister/100643996

This won’t end well. Give those religious fuckers an inch and they’ll want a mile.

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-to-be-introduced-by-prime-minister/100643996

This won’t end well. Give those religious fuckers an inch and they’ll want a mile.

Give them a mile and they’ll take a taxi

Neophyte said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-to-be-introduced-by-prime-minister/100643996

This won’t end well. Give those religious fuckers an inch and they’ll want a mile.

Give them a mile and they’ll take a taxi

hopefully the final one.

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-to-be-introduced-by-prime-minister/100643996

This won’t end well. Give those religious fuckers an inch and they’ll want a mile.

It’s telling that they want to introduce a way to legally hate gays, but not the ICAC that was promised.

I actually don’t want them to introduce an ICAC either, because if they do, it will be a watered down fairy’s fart with their cronies in charge so that they get away with all the bullshit that’s been going on since they got in. After the next election a proper ICAC should be introduced to retrospectively drag out all the dirty washing and display it for all to see, then charge the guilty parties with their crimes.

Kingy said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-to-be-introduced-by-prime-minister/100643996

This won’t end well. Give those religious fuckers an inch and they’ll want a mile.

It’s telling that they want to introduce a way to legally hate gays, but not the ICAC that was promised.

I actually don’t want them to introduce an ICAC either, because if they do, it will be a watered down fairy’s fart with their cronies in charge so that they get away with all the bullshit that’s been going on since they got in. After the next election a proper ICAC should be introduced to retrospectively drag out all the dirty washing and display it for all to see, then charge the guilty parties with their crimes.

And bills can be repealed.

Kingy said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-23/religious-discrimination-bill-to-be-introduced-by-prime-minister/100643996

This won’t end well. Give those religious fuckers an inch and they’ll want a mile.

It’s telling that they want to introduce a way to legally hate gays, but not the ICAC that was promised.

I actually don’t want them to introduce an ICAC either, because if they do, it will be a watered down fairy’s fart with their cronies in charge so that they get away with all the bullshit that’s been going on since they got in. After the next election a proper ICAC should be introduced to retrospectively drag out all the dirty washing and display it for all to see, then charge the guilty parties with their crimes.

tell ‘im ‘e’s dreamin’

since everyone at work was talking about Jackie Lambie’s speech, I am going to watch the whole 12 minutes of it.

party_pants said:

since everyone at work was talking about Jackie Lambie’s speech, I am going to watch the whole 12 minutes of it.

Well, she’s had some coaching on the dramatic pause…. I am in broad agreement…. with …. her sentiments

on this issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2021/nov/23/the-coalition-banks-on-the-myth-they-are-better-economic-managers-than-labor-but-facts-are-eroding-the-slogan

sounds like a right dog’s breakfast.

https://theconversation.com/third-time-lucky-what-has-changed-in-the-latest-draft-of-the-religious-discrimination-bill-172386

Scott Morrison evades Labor questions on use of ‘Shanghai Sam’ moniker before outright denial
https://youtu.be/sfI4YMfCvvg

I assume that there’s already been much comment here about Jacqui Lambie’s blast in the senate today?

captain_spalding said:

I assume that there’s already been much comment here about Jacqui Lambie’s blast in the senate today?

She’s gone off again?

captain_spalding said:

I assume that there’s already been much comment here about Jacqui Lambie’s blast in the senate today?

I brought up the speech she mad two days ago.

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

I assume that there’s already been much comment here about Jacqui Lambie’s blast in the senate today?

I brought up the speech she mad two days ago.

made

Scott Morrison’s unconstitutional attack on class actions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1s8DlXd0wI

sarahs mum said:

Scott Morrison’s unconstitutional attack on class actions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1s8DlXd0wI

2h ago 12:23

AAP has an update on where the quest for the robodebt information is at:

The federal government is under pressure to detail a breakdown of funds returned to Australians served with unlawful debts.

The “robodebt” scheme matching Australian Taxation Office and Centrelink data to claw back welfare benefits the government claimed were overpaid was deemed unlawful by the Federal Court.

Labor and Greens senators want Services Australia to release publicly the total value of debts across class action members and the average share of the cumulative $1.2 million settlement sum once finalised.

The latest report of an inquiry looking at the saga lashed the government for not releasing information about legal advice regarding the scheme’s operation on the grounds of public interest immunity.

“Despite numerous attempts to obtain the information, the committee has been prevented from thoroughly assessing whether the government knew of the insufficient legal basis of the program due to repeated and poorly articulated public interest immunity claims,” the fifth interim report said.

It requested Government Services Minister Linda Reynolds table in parliament by 1pm on Wednesday requested documents or explain her failure to do so.

Government senators Wendy Askew and Hollie Hughes said the documents were exempt under freedom of information laws and public interest immunity claims should be respected.

They said 98 per cent of refunds had been made, with around 426,400 people getting money back or having their debts wiped.

3m ago 13:55

Over in the chamber, the 90-second statements are occurring.

Both George Christensen and Russell Broadbent have used their time to speak against vaccine mandates.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

captain_spalding said:

I assume that there’s already been much comment here about Jacqui Lambie’s blast in the senate today?

I brought up the speech she mad two days ago.

made

“Watch the full thing“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSldjsHs1WY

5m ago 14:58

I miss who asks this question, but the nub of it (to Scott Morrison) is:

The prime minister said that batteries to store energy is as useful as the big banana and the big prawn. Then he said that that was a complete misrepresentation. Given the Prime Minister is on tape: the big battery in South Australia as useful as the big banana and a big prawn, why is he pretending that he didn’t?

For the record, here is what Scott Morrison said as treasurer in 2017 in response to the South Australian battery project, which was put forward by Elon Musk. Morrison dismissed it as a “Hollywood solution”.

It is so at the margin it barely is worthy of a mention. I mean, honestly, by all means have the world’s biggest battery, have the world’s biggest banana, have the world’s biggest prawn like we have on the roadside around the country, but that is not solving the problem. That’s just trying to say, ‘bright shiny thing over here, don’t look at the thing over there’, that’s an old trick from a politician.”

He also said:

30,000 SA households could not get through watching one episode of Australia’s Ninja Warrior with this big battery. So let’s not pretend it is a solution”.

(This is someone who now wants us to believe that he is invested in future technologies which are yet to be developed to solve Australia’s emissions reductions issues)

At the time, Alan Finkel had recommended that batteries form part of renewable projects.

Morrison:

The comments I was making on that day, I recall them. I was down in Adelaide and I was talking about how the battery technology at that time, that large battery would not have been able to charge all of the television sets in Adelaide and wouldn’t get you through one episode of Australia’s Ninja Warrior, that was the point I was making. What we need in this country is long duration storage, Mr Speaker, which is why we are investing in projects like Snowy Hydro 2.0. Now, Mr Speaker, of course we should invest in battery technology, it is part of our low emissions technology plan to get us to net zero by 2050, Mr Speaker stop but those opposite are kidding themselves if they think that is going to keep the aluminium smelters firing up. I tell you what is going to help those. What is going to help those in particular, Mr Speaker, is the work that we have invested through Snowy Hydro, to ensure there is a gas-fired power plant as you know who is opposed to that in the Hunter? The Labor Party, Mr Speaker. The Labor Party and the greens working together to work against Australians having affordable, reliable power stop they don’t want to see the gas, they want to turn the gas off on Australian industry, Mr Speaker!

An exasperated Tony Burke:

There is nothing asked about alternative policies. I don’t know why we have to rise each time. The Prime Minister knows this is not directly relevant and he does it to defy every single time.

Andrew Wallace:

The question was very open-ended in so far as it talked about the Prime Minister’s position in relation to batteries. And battery power.

Burke:

And there is no reference to opposition policy.

Wallace:

The Prime Minister will be relevant to the question.

Morrison:

I was asked about my comments on that day and I provided the context of the comments on that day. The context of the comments on that day was battery storage was not at a scale and frankly is still not at a scale that competes with long duration storage like projects like snowy 2.0 and those sorts of battery projects are not at a level yet but we must invest in them so we can rely on them for the heavy industry this country needs. That is what our policy is based on. We have a policy about reducing emissions about technology not taxes, choices not mandates, it’s about ensuring we are investing in a portfolio of technologies which means we can get the cost down to meet those important targets, ensuring we have reliable and affordable power and that’s why we invest in gas, that’s why we are keeping the gas on. Those opposite they really don’t like this policy, they have been attacking our policies, seeking to mock the policy, if you don’t like technology not taxes, it means you need taxes. It means taxes, taxes, taxes.

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I hear SA is putting in another two of those useless big boxes.