NSW: 222 local cases and four deaths
VIC: 1,069 local cases and 10 deaths
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Michael V said:
NSW: 222 local cases and four deathsVIC: 1,069 local cases and 10 deaths
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USA: 71,000 new cases
Russia: 39,000 new cases
UK: 35,000 new cases
Turkey: 29,000 new cases
Germany: 26,000 new cases
Ukraine: 23,000 new cases
mollwollfumble said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 222 local cases and four deathsVIC: 1,069 local cases and 10 deaths
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USA: 71,000 new cases
Russia: 39,000 new cases
UK: 35,000 new cases
Turkey: 29,000 new cases
Germany: 26,000 new cases
Ukraine: 23,000 new cases
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This site has different figures, ie: the USA at 19k. Although it appears a few states have stopped reporting, Florida being the biggest.
mollwollfumble said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 222 local cases and four deathsVIC: 1,069 local cases and 10 deaths
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USA: 71,000 new cases
Russia: 39,000 new cases
UK: 35,000 new cases
Turkey: 29,000 new cases
Germany: 26,000 new cases
Ukraine: 23,000 new cases
i can’t imagine why anyone would want to risk causing embarrassment to any nation by calling for an inquiry into the recent origins of a disease that has killed 5 million people and which infects hundreds of thousands every day.
captain_spalding said:
mollwollfumble said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 222 local cases and four deathsVIC: 1,069 local cases and 10 deaths
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USA: 71,000 new cases
Russia: 39,000 new cases
UK: 35,000 new cases
Turkey: 29,000 new cases
Germany: 26,000 new cases
Ukraine: 23,000 new cases
i can’t imagine why anyone would want to risk causing embarrassment to any nation by calling for an inquiry into the recent origins of a disease that has killed 5 million people and which infects hundreds of thousands every day.
Imagine if the virus had escaped from a toilet in a secure BSL-4 Facilities Lab.
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 222 local cases and four deathsVIC: 1,069 local cases and 10 deaths
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USA: 71,000 new cases
Russia: 39,000 new cases
UK: 35,000 new cases
Turkey: 29,000 new cases
Germany: 26,000 new cases
Ukraine: 23,000 new cases
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This site has different figures, ie: the USA at 19k. Although it appears a few states have stopped reporting, Florida being the biggest.
> Florida … stopped reporting.
WTF. Isn’t that illegal. According to the WHO, Covid is a reportable disease.
If there’s a difference between worldometers and ourworldindata, then worldometers is always correct. So thanks for the correction. My figures from ourworldindata are 7 day smoothed, which matters a lot when it comes to the USA.
China: 83 new cases. (Most not local, I’d guess).
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
mollwollfumble said:USA: 71,000 new cases
Russia: 39,000 new cases
UK: 35,000 new cases
Turkey: 29,000 new cases
Germany: 26,000 new cases
Ukraine: 23,000 new cases
i can’t imagine why anyone would want to risk causing embarrassment to any nation by calling for an inquiry into the recent origins of a disease that has killed 5 million people and which infects hundreds of thousands every day.
Imagine if the virus had escaped from a toilet in a secure BSL-4 Facilities Lab.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Imagine if the virus had escaped from a toilet in a secure BSL-4 Facilities Lab.
You lookin’ for a holiday, mate?
Maybe an all-expenses-paid no-stay-limit visit to the Xinjiang Hilton?
Jus’ keep talkin’…
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Imagine if the virus had escaped from a toilet in a secure BSL-4 Facilities Lab.
You lookin’ for a holiday, mate?
Maybe an all-expenses-paid no-stay-limit visit to the Xinjiang Hilton?
Jus’ keep talkin’…
I did say imagine as in being fictitious ….
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Imagine if the virus had escaped from a toilet in a secure BSL-4 Facilities Lab.
You lookin’ for a holiday, mate?
Maybe an all-expenses-paid no-stay-limit visit to the Xinjiang Hilton?
Jus’ keep talkin’…
I did say imagine as in being fictitious ….
Could become a Sequel to Contagious.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:You lookin’ for a holiday, mate?
Maybe an all-expenses-paid no-stay-limit visit to the Xinjiang Hilton?
Jus’ keep talkin’…
I did say imagine as in being fictitious ….
Could become a Sequel to Contagious.
ABC News:
‘New freedoms for fully vaccinated Queenslanders once state reaches COVID-19 vaccine milestone
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says there will be greater freedoms granted to fully vaccinated Queenslanders from next month.’
I hope that our new freedoms include the freedom to point, jeer, and laugh at anti-vaxxers, and to pelt them with rotten fruit.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I did say imagine as in being fictitious ….
Could become a Sequel to Contagious.
Or A new horror movie “Revenge Of The Bats”
Its just by pure coincidence that the movie starts in a certain BSL-4 facility in Wuhan, China.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Its just by pure coincidence that the movie starts in a certain BSL-4 facility in Wuhan, China.
What are the odds, huh?!
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New freedoms for fully vaccinated Queenslanders once state reaches COVID-19 vaccine milestone
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says there will be greater freedoms granted to fully vaccinated Queenslanders from next month.’I hope that our new freedoms include the freedom to point, jeer, and laugh at anti-vaxxers, and to pelt them with rotten fruit.
Yeah dirty anti-vaxxers, they should not have the freedom to spread disease.
Wont anybody think of the Black Death.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New freedoms for fully vaccinated Queenslanders once state reaches COVID-19 vaccine milestone
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says there will be greater freedoms granted to fully vaccinated Queenslanders from next month.’I hope that our new freedoms include the freedom to point, jeer, and laugh at anti-vaxxers, and to pelt them with rotten fruit.
Yeah dirty anti-vaxxers, they should not have the freedom to spread disease.
Wont anybody think of the Black Death.
The antivaxers will think of Charles Darwin when they are on the Ventilators with COVID.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New freedoms for fully vaccinated Queenslanders once state reaches COVID-19 vaccine milestone
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says there will be greater freedoms granted to fully vaccinated Queenslanders from next month.’I hope that our new freedoms include the freedom to point, jeer, and laugh at anti-vaxxers, and to pelt them with rotten fruit.
Yeah dirty anti-vaxxers, they should not have the freedom to spread disease.
Wont anybody think of the Black Death.
The antivaxers will think of Charles Darwin when they are on the Ventilators with COVID.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Yeah dirty anti-vaxxers, they should not have the freedom to spread disease.
Wont anybody think of the Black Death.
The antivaxers will think of Charles Darwin when they are on the Ventilators with COVID.
Marmots in Mongolia carry bubonic plague.
That makes a change from ‘the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain’.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The antivaxers will think of Charles Darwin when they are on the Ventilators with COVID.
Marmots in Mongolia carry bubonic plague.That makes a change from ‘the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain’.
I wonder how Marmots in Mongolia bring out their dead.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘New freedoms for fully vaccinated Queenslanders once state reaches COVID-19 vaccine milestone
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says there will be greater freedoms granted to fully vaccinated Queenslanders from next month.’I hope that our new freedoms include the freedom to point, jeer, and laugh at anti-vaxxers, and to pelt them with rotten fruit.
LOL
Sings: “wouldn’t it be loverly”.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The antivaxers will think of Charles Darwin when they are on the Ventilators with COVID.
Marmots in Mongolia carry bubonic plague.That makes a change from ‘the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain’.
Ha!
Tau.Neutrino said:
The antivaxers will think
hold it right there
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
i can’t imagine why anyone would want to risk causing embarrassment to any nation by calling for an inquiry into the recent origins of a disease that has killed 5 million people and which infects hundreds of thousands every day.
Imagine if the virus had escaped from a toilet in a secure BSL-4 Facilities Lab.
to be fair these West Taiwanese Disease Mongers didn’t exactly direct the rest of the world to Let It Rip™ For The Economy Must Grow®, we mean seems like they’ve been pretty keen to keep it maximally suppressed eliminated, but damn hey they invented gunpowder and now 20000 Good Christian Americans die to gun violence each year we mean
FUCK CHINA YEAH
Today’s Qld figures: 
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
You know how we’re geniuses and all so yeah we the best et cetera but someone really needs to explain to us this thing we don’t get how
in VIC, 7 out of 8 times some cases leak into the community, they set off a fucking disaster, yet
in QLD, 12 out of 13 times some cases leak through, they set off… nothing.
Seriously it’s absurd, maybe those jokers really were right, it’s the humidity or the temperature or the sunlight or something*.
*: the beer ¿ The singlets and thongs ¿ The cannabis ¿
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:Today’s Qld figures:
You know how we’re geniuses and all so yeah we the best et cetera but someone really needs to explain to us this thing we don’t get how
in VIC, 7 out of 8 times some cases leak into the community, they set off a fucking disaster, yet
in QLD, 12 out of 13 times some cases leak through, they set off… nothing.
Seriously it’s absurd, maybe those jokers really were right, it’s the humidity or the temperature or the sunlight or something*.
*: the beer ¿ The singlets and thongs ¿ The cannabis ¿
Melbourne is like an ants nest. Queenslanders need room for the banana lounge.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Today’s Qld figures:
You know how we’re geniuses and all so yeah we the best et cetera but someone really needs to explain to us this thing we don’t get how
in VIC, 7 out of 8 times some cases leak into the community, they set off a fucking disaster, yet
in QLD, 12 out of 13 times some cases leak through, they set off… nothing.
Seriously it’s absurd, maybe those jokers really were right, it’s the humidity or the temperature or the sunlight or something*.
*: the beer ¿ The singlets and thongs ¿ The cannabis ¿
Melbourne is like an ants nest. Queenslanders need room for the banana lounge.
tell you what, speaking of ants nesting, Japan meltdown wasn’t too surprising given literally half their cities are underground recycled air but damn their recovery was pretty impressive too
transition said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/schools-covid-shutdown-parents-shutdowns/100604330
no shortage of misleading crap in that^, is my opinion
f’sure hell as educators we’re fully supporting developing better distance education curriculum and advocating for safety
also
The modelling suggested that using a test-to-stay strategy with classroom contacts would be “approximately equivalent to 7-day quarantine of classroom contacts in both primary and secondary schools, but with a significantly lower number of face-to-face teaching days lost.”
Test-to-stay entire class 27 69
Test-to-stay entire school 17 61
so if it’s so good why not support testing the whole school
“The fact that the model comes up with this is validated by the fact that studies in the United Kingdom that have compared both these approaches have found the same thing, that either is as effective as the other,” the Doherty Institute’s Professor Jodie McVernon said.
yeah cuz sure thing because going the Way Of The You Quay is a damn good idea
That surveillance would, however, slightly increase the number of school days lost, because it will detect and cause the isolation of asymptomatic students who may not have infected any of their classmates.
except they do actually transmit so nice weasel play with “may” there
The state’s government yesterday announced that quarantine times will be reduced to seven days if students take a rapid antigen test every day for a week after leaving isolation. “I’ve been listening to school communities, parents, carers and students themselves, about the impact that 14 days of isolation has had on them,” Education Minister James Merlino said.
remember if everyone just shut the fuck up and wore N95+ then literally 0.1% spread with 0 quarantine time but hey why rely on something that works when you could piss into the wind and oh wait what’s their other article say
Burnet Institute’s Chief Scientific Officer in the organisation’s diagnostic initiative, said the “false sense of security” the tests provided concerned him. “It’s a useful tool but it’s not a solution for forgetting about everything else,” he said. “It’s just one small tool, and vaccination and ventilation are much more effective.”
hundred percent no shit because you know that’s exactly what people will do, same deal with vaccination, same deal with cases peaked, same deal with magic tablets, oh we found the solution literally forget everything else and oh wait 2021 just happened
genius
you watch, next thing will be “see, instant tests make school safe” and then “no need for PCR or proper TTI now” and then you fucking ripper, let it
turns out we’ren’t exceptional after all
Australian-first study finds most critical COVID patients have symptoms for months
damn surprise there
NSW: 90 per cent over 16 fully vaccinated
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SCIENCE said:
turns out we’ren’t exceptional after allAustralian-first study finds most critical COVID patients have symptoms for months
damn surprise there
That’s just Long Covid. It’s been known about for 12 months. Why is this news again?
“The regional New South Wales city of Wagga Wagga is on alert after a person who attended a large funeral last week returned a positive coronavirus test.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/wagga-wagga-tolland-funeral-covid-concern/100605160
Michael V said:
“The regional New South Wales city of Wagga Wagga is on alert after a person who attended a large funeral last week returned a positive coronavirus test.”——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/wagga-wagga-tolland-funeral-covid-concern/100605160
The alert is out for all the Murrumbidgee Health District.
We’ve been having trouble with delayed news from MLHD. Found this today.
https://covidlive.com.au/
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
“The regional New South Wales city of Wagga Wagga is on alert after a person who attended a large funeral last week returned a positive coronavirus test.”——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/wagga-wagga-tolland-funeral-covid-concern/100605160
The alert is out for all the Murrumbidgee Health District.
We’ve been having trouble with delayed news from MLHD. Found this today.
https://covidlive.com.au/
Is that the site that was made and managed by a couple of high school lads?
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
“The regional New South Wales city of Wagga Wagga is on alert after a person who attended a large funeral last week returned a positive coronavirus test.”——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/wagga-wagga-tolland-funeral-covid-concern/100605160
The alert is out for all the Murrumbidgee Health District.
We’ve been having trouble with delayed news from MLHD. Found this today.
https://covidlive.com.au/
Is that the site that was made and managed by a couple of high school lads?
Possibly.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
“The regional New South Wales city of Wagga Wagga is on alert after a person who attended a large funeral last week returned a positive coronavirus test.”——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/wagga-wagga-tolland-funeral-covid-concern/100605160
The alert is out for all the Murrumbidgee Health District.
We’ve been having trouble with delayed news from MLHD. Found this today.
https://covidlive.com.au/
Is that the site that was made and managed by a couple of high school lads?
It has delivered the most up to date and accurate stats for my city.
Rigged By CHINA
Now my best mate who was here yesterday riings to tell me that his wife was informed to check for symptoms because she was considered a possible contact from a few days previous. Which basically means that I now have to watch for symptoms..
We are up to ten cases in eight days.
roughbarked said:
Now my best mate who was here yesterday riings to tell me that his wife was informed to check for symptoms because she was considered a possible contact from a few days previous. Which basically means that I now have to watch for symptoms..
We are up to ten cases in eight days.
Uh-oh.
roughbarked said:
Now my best mate who was here yesterday riings to tell me that his wife was informed to check for symptoms because she was considered a possible contact from a few days previous. Which basically means that I now have to watch for symptoms..
We are up to ten cases in eight days.
That’s more than one case a day I think.
Let’s do the maths long hand.
8 into 10 goes 1, carry the 2, 8 into 20 goes 2, carry the 4………….etc.
Yep it’s 1.25 to be precise.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Now my best mate who was here yesterday riings to tell me that his wife was informed to check for symptoms because she was considered a possible contact from a few days previous. Which basically means that I now have to watch for symptoms..
We are up to ten cases in eight days.
That’s more than one case a day I think.
Let’s do the maths long hand.
8 into 10 goes 1, carry the 2, 8 into 20 goes 2, carry the 4………….etc.
Yep it’s 1.25 to be precise.
That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Now my best mate who was here yesterday riings to tell me that his wife was informed to check for symptoms because she was considered a possible contact from a few days previous. Which basically means that I now have to watch for symptoms..
We are up to ten cases in eight days.
That’s more than one case a day I think.
Let’s do the maths long hand.
8 into 10 goes 1, carry the 2, 8 into 20 goes 2, carry the 4………….etc.
Yep it’s 1.25 to be precise.
That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Real arithmetic.
Drums fingers on desk, whilst awaiting results.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:That’s more than one case a day I think.
Let’s do the maths long hand.
8 into 10 goes 1, carry the 2, 8 into 20 goes 2, carry the 4………….etc.
Yep it’s 1.25 to be precise.
That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Real arithmetic.
Drums fingers on desk, whilst awaiting results.
well then you carry the 4 and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again……I tell you what I might get back to you with the result.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Real arithmetic.
Drums fingers on desk, whilst awaiting results.
well then you carry the 4 and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again……I tell you what I might get back to you with the result.
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Real arithmetic.
Drums fingers on desk, whilst awaiting results.
well then you carry the 4 and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again……I tell you what I might get back to you with the result.
here
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Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Real arithmetic.
Drums fingers on desk, whilst awaiting results.
well then you carry the 4 and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again……I tell you what I might get back to you with the result.
here
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Yeah I’ve just gone past that number of decimals, I’ll keep going there shouldn’t be many more hopefully.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Real arithmetic.
Drums fingers on desk, whilst awaiting results.
well then you carry the 4 and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again and then carry the 4 again……I tell you what I might get back to you with the result.
:)
Here’s the result:
sarahs mum said:
:)
mollwollfumble said:
it’s interesting, nobody really feels the pathogen
but from immune system and of broader system response, i’d like to know, for example, what causes the pain and weakness in arthritis, because whatever that is, that slows you down, it applies, or feels similar of flu etc
there has to be mechanisms that sense whatever to then disincline a person from excessive exertion, not just physical but mental as well
some of it perhaps is done by the reticular activating system, winds you down to rest, even forces rest, inclines sleep
thing is of your under par, senses, reaction, energy required and sustainable, you’re a liability to yourself
most people have experienced fatigue at some time, even extreme fatigue
it’s been hypothesized the brain has something that could be called a fatigue generator
transition said:
mollwollfumble said:
it’s interesting, nobody really feels the pathogen
but from immune system and of broader system response, i’d like to know, for example, what causes the pain and weakness in arthritis, because whatever that is, that slows you down, it applies, or feels similar of flu etc
there has to be mechanisms that sense whatever to then disincline a person from excessive exertion, not just physical but mental as well
some of it perhaps is done by the reticular activating system, winds you down to rest, even forces rest, inclines sleep
thing is of your under par, senses, reaction, energy required and sustainable, you’re a liability to yourself
most people have experienced fatigue at some time, even extreme fatigue
it’s been hypothesized the brain has something that could be called a fatigue generator
and this thing is of your under par
ought have been writ …thing is if you’re under par…
Unvaccinated patients in Singapore will have to pay their own medical bills from next month as the island nation tries to come to grips with a worrying COVID-19 caseload.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/singapore-to-bill-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients/100606366
dv said:
Unvaccinated patients in Singapore will have to pay their own medical bills from next month as the island nation tries to come to grips with a worrying COVID-19 caseload.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/singapore-to-bill-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients/100606366
And if they cant afford treatment they can FOAD and we can argue if it breaks the ‘do no harm’ rule.
dv said:
Unvaccinated patients in Singapore will have to pay their own medical bills from next month as the island nation tries to come to grips with a worrying COVID-19 caseload.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/singapore-to-bill-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients/100606366
bit harsh.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Unvaccinated patients in Singapore will have to pay their own medical bills from next month as the island nation tries to come to grips with a worrying COVID-19 caseload.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/singapore-to-bill-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients/100606366
bit harsh.
No mucking about in Singapore.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Now my best mate who was here yesterday riings to tell me that his wife was informed to check for symptoms because she was considered a possible contact from a few days previous. Which basically means that I now have to watch for symptoms..
We are up to ten cases in eight days.
That’s more than one case a day I think.
Let’s do the maths long hand.
8 into 10 goes 1, carry the 2, 8 into 20 goes 2, carry the 4………….etc.
Yep it’s 1.25 to be precise.
That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Yair.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:That’s more than one case a day I think.
Let’s do the maths long hand.
8 into 10 goes 1, carry the 2, 8 into 20 goes 2, carry the 4………….etc.
Yep it’s 1.25 to be precise.
That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Yair.
oh so it is 13/9 after all ¿ Damn
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:That will change of course if roughie, his mate and his mates wife come down with the virus.
That could well mean that tomorrow there’ll be 13 cases in 9 days.
So 9 into 13 goes once, carry the 4……..etc.
Yair.
oh so it is 13/9 after all ¿ Damn
Can’t see any way out of it.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Yair.
oh so it is 13/9 after all ¿ Damn
Can’t see any way out of it.
try getting your hands on some of that PF-07321332 shit eh
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Yair.
oh so it is 13/9 after all ¿ Damn
Can’t see any way out of it.
Mrs rb has all the symptoms and feels like shit. She’s had Covid in a school she teaches at and has been to a place of concern, so she’s off for a test.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:oh so it is 13/9 after all ¿ Damn
Can’t see any way out of it.
Mrs rb has all the symptoms and feels like shit. She’s had Covid in a school she teaches at and has been to a place of concern, so she’s off for a test.
Good luck with that. Is she fully vaccinated?
VIC: 1,003 new cases, 14 deaths.
NSW: 216 new COVID cases, three deaths.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/covid-blog-updates-you-need-from-across-australia/100607744
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Can’t see any way out of it.
Mrs rb has all the symptoms and feels like shit. She’s had Covid in a school she teaches at and has been to a place of concern, so she’s off for a test.
Good luck with that. Is she fully vaccinated?
^ hope y’all stay on top of it
fuck this pandemic
transition said:
and I just seen it writ, in the news, by memory, possibly not verbatim
‘…final post-vaccination phase of the reopening plan…’
I doubt with a policy of endemic covid there really is a final post-vaccination phase, that’s more like spin to sell bullshit, is my opinion
^
SCIENCE said:
fuck this pandemic
SCIENCE said:
fuck this pandemic
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:fuck this pandemic
There’s always patients in ICUs. Always have been, even in pre-COVID days.
The question is: what are they there for?
Are all those ‘fully-jabbed’ patients there for COVID, or for other things?
SCIENCE said:
fuck this pandemic
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
fuck this pandemic
There’s always patients in ICUs. Always have been, even in pre-COVID days.
The question is: what are they there for?
Are all those ‘fully-jabbed’ patients there for COVID, or for other things?
Fair question, note also we haven’t fact-checked the source either.
Given Belgium allegedly has the following pattern:
we’re prepared to go out on a limb and say they’re probably all in there “with” COVID-19 but we’ll refrain from claiming that they’re in there “from” COVID-19.
SCIENCE said:
Given Belgium allegedly has the following pattern:
we’re prepared to go out on a limb and say they’re probably all in there “with” COVID-19 but we’ll refrain from claiming that they’re in there “from” COVID-19.
So, the meme is a bit ‘selective with the information’, to give the impression that, despite all of them having double-vax, people are still flooding ICUs because of COVID?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Given Belgium allegedly has the following pattern:
we’re prepared to go out on a limb and say they’re probably all in there “with” COVID-19 but we’ll refrain from claiming that they’re in there “from” COVID-19.
So, the meme is a bit ‘selective with the information’, to give the impression that, despite all of them having double-vax, people are still flooding ICUs because of COVID?
Well… we d’n‘o’, we mean, ICU are probably working to prevent those deaths from climbing higher right¿
You could even see this as a success of the vaccination programme, all the unvaccinated are already dead or excluded from ICU to make space for the living microchipped spectrum.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Given Belgium allegedly has the following pattern:
we’re prepared to go out on a limb and say they’re probably all in there “with” COVID-19 but we’ll refrain from claiming that they’re in there “from” COVID-19.
So, the meme is a bit ‘selective with the information’, to give the impression that, despite all of them having double-vax, people are still flooding ICUs because of COVID?
Well… we d’n‘o’, we mean, ICU are probably working to prevent those deaths from climbing higher right¿
You could even see this as a success of the vaccination programme, all the unvaccinated are already dead or excluded from ICU to make space for the living microchipped spectrum.
Bottom line: more info needed, meme is pointless otherwise.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:roughbarked said:
Mrs rb has all the symptoms and feels like shit. She’s had Covid in a school she teaches at and has been to a place of concern, so she’s off for a test.
Good luck with that. Is she fully vaccinated?
^ hope y’all stay on top of it
fuck this pandemic
She is fully vaccinated and nearly due for third shot.
She also is in remission from Non-hodgkins Lymphoma.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
So, the meme is a bit ‘selective with the information’, to give the impression that, despite all of them having double-vax, people are still flooding ICUs because of COVID?
Well… we d’n‘o’, we mean, ICU are probably working to prevent those deaths from climbing higher right¿
You could even see this as a success of the vaccination programme, all the unvaccinated are already dead or excluded from ICU to make space for the living microchipped spectrum.
Bottom line: more info needed, meme is pointless otherwise.
probably an actor
all you need do to contemplate the realities of endemic covid, is imagine your partner or a family member lands in hospital with something, it could be covid or something else, imagine the constraints on any visitors, if a visit were possible at all
and imagine this christmas, catching up with family and friends, the people you won’t, out of reluctance to increase theirs and your possible exposure, and of those you do come near the reluctance to swap breathable air, with a nice hug for example, and maybe that’s all you really wanted
and regard all that, now consider the messages you get to help you normalize endemic covid, the extent those messages eliminate the possibility of you having the thought, and forming a sentence to utter something contrary to normalizing endemic covid
endemic covid is a dog’s breakfast
transition said:
all you need do to contemplate the realities of endemic covid, is imagine your partner or a family member lands in hospital with something, it could be covid or something else, imagine the constraints on any visitors, if a visit were possible at all
and imagine this christmas, catching up with family and friends, the people you won’t, out of reluctance to increase theirs and your possible exposure, and of those you do come near the reluctance to swap breathable air, with a nice hug for example, and maybe that’s all you really wanted
and regard all that, now consider the messages you get to help you normalize endemic covid, the extent those messages eliminate the possibility of you having the thought, and forming a sentence to utter something contrary to normalizing endemic covid
endemic covid is a dog’s breakfast
pretty sure 50 years ago it was a privilege to fly halfway across the world and spread poliomyelitis to your extended family
SCIENCE said:
transition said:all you need do to contemplate the realities of endemic covid, is imagine your partner or a family member lands in hospital with something, it could be covid or something else, imagine the constraints on any visitors, if a visit were possible at all
and imagine this christmas, catching up with family and friends, the people you won’t, out of reluctance to increase theirs and your possible exposure, and of those you do come near the reluctance to swap breathable air, with a nice hug for example, and maybe that’s all you really wanted
and regard all that, now consider the messages you get to help you normalize endemic covid, the extent those messages eliminate the possibility of you having the thought, and forming a sentence to utter something contrary to normalizing endemic covid
endemic covid is a dog’s breakfast
pretty sure 50 years ago it was a privilege to fly halfway across the world and spread poliomyelitis to your extended family
More like 60.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:all you need do to contemplate the realities of endemic covid, is imagine your partner or a family member lands in hospital with something, it could be covid or something else, imagine the constraints on any visitors, if a visit were possible at all
and imagine this christmas, catching up with family and friends, the people you won’t, out of reluctance to increase theirs and your possible exposure, and of those you do come near the reluctance to swap breathable air, with a nice hug for example, and maybe that’s all you really wanted
and regard all that, now consider the messages you get to help you normalize endemic covid, the extent those messages eliminate the possibility of you having the thought, and forming a sentence to utter something contrary to normalizing endemic covid
endemic covid is a dog’s breakfast
pretty sure 50 years ago it was a privilege to fly halfway across the world and spread poliomyelitis to your extended family
More like 60.
Well, back in the 30s, it was only the really well-to-do who could afford to hop on e.g. an Imperial Airways flying boat for a jaunt out to one of the colonies to catch up with whichever branch of the family was running the estates out there.
Even by air, it could take you a week, maybe ten days, before you got to the more far-flung posts, so there was plenty of time for your symptoms to become evident, and for you to be offloaded in some backwoods hell-hole to either die a horrible death, or recover and acquire an interesting ‘experience’ on which you could dine out for years.
Here, at least some good news, this is purportedly the results of using it on ages 5 to 11 years.
SCIENCE said:
Here, at least some good news, this is purportedly the results of using it on ages 5 to 11 years.
no results
apologies
here
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:Here, at least some good news, this is purportedly the results of using it on ages 5 to 11 years.
no results
apologies
here
The company that makes that Placebo stuff has a lot of explaining to do.
oh we d’n‘o’, we mean
the “41” key is pretty close to the “6” key on our keyboard
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Unvaccinated patients in Singapore will have to pay their own medical bills from next month as the island nation tries to come to grips with a worrying COVID-19 caseload.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/singapore-to-bill-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients/100606366
And if they cant afford treatment they can FOAD and we can argue if it breaks the ‘do no harm’ rule.
bit harsh.
No mucking about in Singapore.
Follow Singapore and legislate no medical or hospital expenses to be reimbursed to people who are not vaccinated without medical justification and then contract COVID. You ignored warnings and got the disease. You pay for your wilful stupidity, not the rest of us.
Bob Carr
I think that would be funny and appropriate.
fk imagine if in a country with a sizeable Muslim minority, a government full of East ASIAN Mandarin-Speaking Policymakers imposed penalties on its disobedient citizens; freedom-fighting Australians would go nuts
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:pretty sure 50 years ago it was a privilege to fly halfway across the world and spread poliomyelitis to your extended family
More like 60.
Well, back in the 30s, it was only the really well-to-do who could afford to hop on e.g. an Imperial Airways flying boat for a jaunt out to one of the colonies to catch up with whichever branch of the family was running the estates out there.
Even by air, it could take you a week, maybe ten days, before you got to the more far-flung posts, so there was plenty of time for your symptoms to become evident, and for you to be offloaded in some backwoods hell-hole to either die a horrible death, or recover and acquire an interesting ‘experience’ on which you could dine out for years.
interesting comparison, of polio, much as i’m into comparisons, wouldn’t like my core ego to be sustained that way, looking for them constantly, applied of the social world and social reality
there are a few disease that resulted on sequelae long after the disease (infection) had passed, polio is one of them, years and decades after, fatigue I reckon big part of, i’d need check but maybe muscle weakness also, being one of the very small viruses it infiltrated the brain maybe. Sleeping sickness be another, encephalitis lethargica I mean
New headline: “Cafe owner telegraphs to Police that he intends to break the law”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/coffee-phillip-di-bella-defy-queensland-covid-vaccine-rules/100608384
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Given Belgium allegedly has the following pattern:
we’re prepared to go out on a limb and say they’re probably all in there “with” COVID-19 but we’ll refrain from claiming that they’re in there “from” COVID-19.
So, the meme is a bit ‘selective with the information’, to give the impression that, despite all of them having double-vax, people are still flooding ICUs because of COVID?
Wouldn’t you keep your COVID ICU patients segregated from your “normal” ICU patients. You know, like in an isolation ward? (Or don’t we have that sort of thing any more?)
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Given Belgium allegedly has the following pattern:
we’re prepared to go out on a limb and say they’re probably all in there “with” COVID-19 but we’ll refrain from claiming that they’re in there “from” COVID-19.
So, the meme is a bit ‘selective with the information’, to give the impression that, despite all of them having double-vax, people are still flooding ICUs because of COVID?
Wouldn’t you keep your COVID ICU patients segregated from your “normal” ICU patients. You know, like in an isolation ward? (Or don’t we have that sort of thing any more?)
I would, If I could.
QLD: 2 new local cases.
One contracted the virus on the Gold Coast and was in the community for six days while infectious. The man’s three close-contact family members, one of whom is a health worker, have so far tested negative.
Another case, which was detected at Warwick on the Southern Downs, has been infectious in the community for 10 days. He went to the big funeral in Moree.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/queensland-records-three-new-cases-of-covid-19/100594976
Good.
I thought this would happen. He’s a Catholic, and the Pope has said that everybody should get vaccinated “As an act of love”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/paramedic-john-larter-has-covid-vaccine-case-dismissed/100608970
Michael V said:
Good.I thought this would happen. He’s a Catholic, and the Pope has said that everybody should get vaccinated “As an act of love”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/paramedic-john-larter-has-covid-vaccine-case-dismissed/100608970
I think they made a typo in that, Mr V.
Should that not be “idiot syncratic”?
Michael V said:
He’s a Catholic, and the Pope
You sure about that?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:He’s a Catholic, and the Pope
You sure about that?
Do bears wear little red shoes and say ‘O’ in the woods?
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Good.I thought this would happen. He’s a Catholic, and the Pope has said that everybody should get vaccinated “As an act of love”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/paramedic-john-larter-has-covid-vaccine-case-dismissed/100608970
I think they made a typo in that, Mr V.
- ……….. if his objection to the virus arose from veganism, Buddhism, Catholicism or idiosyncratic beliefs**
Should that not be “idiot syncratic”?
correct, it should not
it should be
if his objection to the virus arose from veganism, Buddhism, Catholicism or idiot syncretic beliefs
look it up
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Good.I thought this would happen. He’s a Catholic, and the Pope has said that everybody should get vaccinated “As an act of love”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/paramedic-john-larter-has-covid-vaccine-case-dismissed/100608970
I think they made a typo in that, Mr V.
- ……….. if his objection to the virus arose from veganism, Buddhism, Catholicism or idiosyncratic beliefs**
Should that not be “idiot syncratic”?
:)
Yep.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:He’s a Catholic, and the Pope
You sure about that?
Somewhat out of context, I think…
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Good.I thought this would happen. He’s a Catholic, and the Pope has said that everybody should get vaccinated “As an act of love”.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/paramedic-john-larter-has-covid-vaccine-case-dismissed/100608970
I think they made a typo in that, Mr V.
- ……….. if his objection to the virus arose from veganism, Buddhism, Catholicism or idiosyncratic beliefs**
Should that not be “idiot syncratic”?
correct, it should not
it should be
if his objection to the virus arose from veganism, Buddhism, Catholicism or idiot syncretic beliefs
look it up
Ha!
Michael V said:
New headline: “Cafe owner telegraphs to Police that he intends to break the law”.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/coffee-phillip-di-bella-defy-queensland-covid-vaccine-rules/100608384
“Does Phillip Di Bella (who is going to defy QLD vaccination orders for his coffee shops) also allow smokers to smoke inside his shops to preserve their human rights?
-Matt”
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Fair comment.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/covid-blog-updates-you-need-from-across-australia/100607744
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
New headline: “Cafe owner telegraphs to Police that he intends to break the law”.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/coffee-phillip-di-bella-defy-queensland-covid-vaccine-rules/100608384
“Does Phillip Di Bella (who is going to defy QLD vaccination orders for his coffee shops) also allow smokers to smoke inside his shops to preserve their human rights?
-Matt”
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Fair comment.
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Qld figures 
have to die of something, so why not
SCIENCE said:
have to die of something, so why not
They should have been wearing gas masks.
What An Overreaction Just Fucking Live With It
Masks no longer mandated in South-eastern QLD, but highly recommended in some circumstances.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/qld-covid-80-per-cent-first-dose-vaccination-mask-rules/100606616
As the 50,000-strong crowd surged towards the stage
Eight people between the ages of 14 and 27 died that night
Houston police are still investigating the Astroworld disaster, and civil lawsuits have been filed against Travis Scott and organisers.
following a massive human crush at the Lorne festival on December 30,
Nineteen people were admitted to hospital following the crush for injuries ranging from broken bones to possible head and spinal trauma. No one was in critical condition, and the families of those admitted to hospital have been contacted by the promoters.
In the wake of Jessica Michalik’s death at Big Day Out in 2001, a coronial inquest found organisers had not done enough to prevent a dangerous crush from breaking out. The inquest found crowd density was a problem, and made several recommendations for improving safety at music festivals. Big Day Out brought in new safety measures including a D-barrier
Dr Raineri said at any event, the onus is on performers and promoters to keep fans safe. “It is their responsibility, both legally and morally as well,” he said.
The Astroworld event was called off shortly after the incident
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/crowd-crush-history-after-travis-scotts-astroworld/100603638
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/astroworld-crowd-crush-deaths-travis-scott-kylie-jenner/100602042
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/astro-world-texas-eight-dead-after-stadium-crush/100600626
Seriously, what the fuck¿ This kind of event has a case fatality rate of at most 0.016%, less than a mild ‘flu’, and they cancel events and sue people and want all kinds of preventative measures in place¿
Just Let It Rip®¡ The Economy Must Grow®¡
SCIENCE said:
As the 50,000-strong crowd surged towards the stageEight people between the ages of 14 and 27 died that night
Houston police are still investigating the Astroworld disaster, and civil lawsuits have been filed against Travis Scott and organisers.
following a massive human crush at the Lorne festival on December 30,
Nineteen people were admitted to hospital following the crush for injuries ranging from broken bones to possible head and spinal trauma. No one was in critical condition, and the families of those admitted to hospital have been contacted by the promoters.
In the wake of Jessica Michalik’s death at Big Day Out in 2001, a coronial inquest found organisers had not done enough to prevent a dangerous crush from breaking out. The inquest found crowd density was a problem, and made several recommendations for improving safety at music festivals. Big Day Out brought in new safety measures including a D-barrier
Dr Raineri said at any event, the onus is on performers and promoters to keep fans safe. “It is their responsibility, both legally and morally as well,” he said.
The Astroworld event was called off shortly after the incident
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/crowd-crush-history-after-travis-scotts-astroworld/100603638
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/astroworld-crowd-crush-deaths-travis-scott-kylie-jenner/100602042
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/astro-world-texas-eight-dead-after-stadium-crush/100600626Seriously, what the fuck¿ This kind of event has a case fatality rate of at most 0.016%, less than a mild ‘flu’, and they cancel events and sue people and want all kinds of preventative measures in place¿
Just Let It Rip®¡ The Economy Must Grow®¡
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Eight people between the ages of 14 and 27 died that night
Nineteen people were admitted to hospital following the crush
death at Big Day Out
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/crowd-crush-history-after-travis-scotts-astroworld/100603638
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/astroworld-crowd-crush-deaths-travis-scott-kylie-jenner/100602042
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/astro-world-texas-eight-dead-after-stadium-crush/100600626Just Let It Rip®¡ The Economy Must Grow®¡
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
so what you’re saying is that barrier protection isn’t a big deal
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
As the 50,000-strong crowd surged towards the stageEight people between the ages of 14 and 27 died that night
Houston police are still investigating the Astroworld disaster, and civil lawsuits have been filed against Travis Scott and organisers.
following a massive human crush at the Lorne festival on December 30,
Nineteen people were admitted to hospital following the crush for injuries ranging from broken bones to possible head and spinal trauma. No one was in critical condition, and the families of those admitted to hospital have been contacted by the promoters.
In the wake of Jessica Michalik’s death at Big Day Out in 2001, a coronial inquest found organisers had not done enough to prevent a dangerous crush from breaking out. The inquest found crowd density was a problem, and made several recommendations for improving safety at music festivals. Big Day Out brought in new safety measures including a D-barrier
Dr Raineri said at any event, the onus is on performers and promoters to keep fans safe. “It is their responsibility, both legally and morally as well,” he said.
The Astroworld event was called off shortly after the incident
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/crowd-crush-history-after-travis-scotts-astroworld/100603638
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/astroworld-crowd-crush-deaths-travis-scott-kylie-jenner/100602042
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/astro-world-texas-eight-dead-after-stadium-crush/100600626Seriously, what the fuck¿ This kind of event has a case fatality rate of at most 0.016%, less than a mild ‘flu’, and they cancel events and sue people and want all kinds of preventative measures in place¿
Just Let It Rip®¡ The Economy Must Grow®¡
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
There should be a blanket law covering all concerts and any planned crowd gatherings to have surge barriers.
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Eight people between the ages of 14 and 27 died that night
Nineteen people were admitted to hospital following the crush
death at Big Day Out
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/crowd-crush-history-after-travis-scotts-astroworld/100603638
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/astroworld-crowd-crush-deaths-travis-scott-kylie-jenner/100602042
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/astro-world-texas-eight-dead-after-stadium-crush/100600626Just Let It Rip®¡ The Economy Must Grow®¡
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
so what you’re saying is that barrier protection isn’t a big deal
I said
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
so what you’re saying is that barrier protection isn’t a big deal
I said
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
There should be a blanket law covering all concerts and any planned crowd gatherings to have surge barriers.
so people who are producing sounds from their respiratory tracts have a responsibility to protect the crowd they are sounding out to, by using barrier protection
andor
if there is a gathering of people that constitutes a crowd, there should be use of barrier protection
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:Tau.Neutrino said:
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
so what you’re saying is that barrier protection isn’t a big deal
I said
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
SCIENCE appears to be implying that masks are a sensible barrier protection against COVID.
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Eight people between the ages of 14 and 27 died that night
Nineteen people were admitted to hospital following the crush
death at Big Day Out
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/crowd-crush-history-after-travis-scotts-astroworld/100603638
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/astroworld-crowd-crush-deaths-travis-scott-kylie-jenner/100602042
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/astro-world-texas-eight-dead-after-stadium-crush/100600626Just Let It Rip®¡ The Economy Must Grow®¡
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
so what you’re saying is that barrier protection isn’t a big deal
Im saying that a lot of concert organizers are shithouse when it comes to controlling crowd movements.
Surge forward is a common problem.
Panic and surge away causing trampling is another common one.
properly defined exits that are sufficient enough are another
so yes its a big deal when it comes to saving life’s in crowds.
What are the symptoms of delta strain?
Asking for myself.
mollwollfumble said:
What are the symptoms of delta strain?Asking for myself.
What makes you think they’re any different to the other strains?
mollwollfumble said:
What are the symptoms of delta strain?Asking for myself.
The symptoms of delta strain are the same as other COVID strains.
Headache.
Sore throat.
Fever.
Runny nose.
Persistent coughing.
Loss of smell.
mollwollfumble said:
What are the symptoms of delta strain?Asking for myself.
Same as other stains of COVID-19.
Children as young as six could soon receive the Moderna jab as the Therapeutic Goods Administration announces the vaccine brand has been granted provisional determination.
If approved, SPIKEVAX (commonly known by the name of its manufacturer, Moderna) could become the first vaccine in Australia available to children under 12.
The TGA said the decision was based on updated clinical data on the use of the vaccine in children, as well as the impacts Covid-19 was having on children’s schooling.
“In making its decision to grant Moderna a provisional determination, the TGA considered evidence of a plan to submit comprehensive clinical data in relation to use in children,” a statement from the health authority reads.
“The TGA also considered infections in children and the impacts of COVID-19 in relation to children’s participation in school and sporting activities.
“Moderna Australia has now submitted data for provisional approval and the TGA is assessing the use of SPIKEVAX in children 6 to 11 years old.”
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)01221-6
NAb levels were higher after the extended dosing interval (6–14 weeks) compared with the conventional 3- to 4-week regimen, accompanied by enrichment of CD4+ T cells expressing interleukin-2 (IL-2). Prior SARS-CoV-2 infection amplified and accelerated the response. These data on dynamic cellular and humoral responses indicate that extension of the dosing interval is an effective immunogenic protocol.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04130-w
apologies if repost
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
so what you’re saying is that barrier protection isn’t a big deal
I said
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
SCIENCE appears to be implying that masks are a sensible barrier protection against COVID.
That’s what the SCIENCE is telling all of us¡
But really if we just stopped testing and Let It Rip® then everything would be Back To Normal™¡ Who cares¿¡
My kids were so happy to see me, and after my negative result came back, to hug me. Was I actually safe? No, I knew I was not. I should have quarantined. But I had stuck my wife with the kids for four days, and I wanted to get back in the mix and help. That seemed like the right thing to do.
On Monday, I felt fine, but I took an antigen test anyway (negative). I scheduled a PCR test for the next day. By the time my appointment arrived, I’d started to have some postnasal drip and what felt like a possibly psychosomatic tickle in my throat. Tuesday night—four days after the wedding—my PCR result came back negative, and despite having what felt like a cold, I figured I was pretty close to being in the clear.
The next day, my symptoms were about the same. I did an intense Peloton workout and it felt fine, though maybe my legs were a little slow. I wasn’t eager to test again; a negative PCR test seemed good enough. But my wife heard me cough—one of only maybe 20 coughs throughout my whole sickness—and said, “Couldn’t you take another antigen test?”
I was on the phone with a young geographer, talking about doing research at Bay Area libraries, and kind of absentmindedly did the swabbing. When I looked down a few minutes later, I had tested positive. Maybe a false positive? I immediately took another antigen test and the little pink line was practically red, it was so dark. Wrapping up the call, I packed my things quickly, texted my wife the result, walked outside with an N95 mask on, and waited for all hell to break loose.
I was able to find a long-term rental on our block thanks to an angelic neighbor. I set my bags down inside and tried to figure out what I had to do. The worst-case scenario that I’d imagined was that I’d get sick, mildly, as I did. I ended up taking one day off from work, and even that was more of a precaution. I felt pretty sick, like when you have a cold, but I’ve probably been sicker 15 times as an adult. As someone who has thought so much about COVID science, it was almost interesting to experience: Oh! That’s what losing your smell is like.
But the real worst-case scenario was everything that happened to the people around me. My kids had to come out of school and isolate with my wife. A raft of tests had to be taken by everyone I’d had even limited contact with. (I was one of at least a dozen people at the wedding who got sick.) I had been with several older people, including my mother-in-law. For my wife and children, the tests went on for days and days, each one bringing a prospective new disaster and 10 to 14 more days of life disruption or worse.
But for me, the very worst part was my children. They knew, cognitively, that I was vaccinated and unlikely to get really sick. That said, COVID-19, for them, is a terrible thing. The past year and a half of their lives has been disrupted by this virus. They take precautions every single day not to have this happen.
They reacted in different ways. My nonbinary 8-year-old was so mad and maybe so scared that they could barely look at me. My 5-year-old daughter proved her status as the ultimate ride-or-die kid. She brought a chair down the street so she could sit 20 feet away from me outside in her mask, as I sat on the porch in an N95. I’m not sure which reaction was more heartbreaking. It was as if one never wanted to see me again and the other didn’t want to let me out of her sight.
For people pondering edging back into normal life, or trying to jump in headfirst as I did, it’s easy to do the risk calculation only about physical health; that’s really what this was about for so long. But the vaccines changed that, and we need to update our mental spreadsheets. The life disruption—the logistical pain you cause those around you—is now a major part of any bad scenario. As I write this, I’m now 10 days past my first symptoms, but I continue to test positive on antigen tests, and so I have not returned home. I haven’t hugged my kids for 10 days. They missed a whole week of school, and my wife’s work life got turned upside down—even though they never tested positive or got sick. I blame no one but myself for this. We cannot will this pandemic to be over. Lord knows I tried.
I understand that my scenario is far better than could or would have played out in a pre-vaccination world. So many communities were hit hard. I have enjoyed tremendous privilege to keep my risk low before now. We got lucky that I didn’t infect anyone vulnerable. I’m so grateful my wife insisted that I take just one more test.
Right now most policies appear designed to make life seem normal. Masks are coming off. Restaurants are dining in. Planes are full. Offices are calling. But don’t be fooled: The world’s normal only until you test positive.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I said
It doesn’t take a lot to place surge barriers in a concert arena.
SCIENCE appears to be implying that masks are a sensible barrier protection against COVID.
That’s what the SCIENCE is telling all of us¡
oh well imagine if it took 18 months for leaders to realise that proper barrier protection is protective
nah just let these foreign interferers do their thing
SCIENCE said:
just let these foreign interferers do their thing
Oh wait they really have found a way to reach ZeroCOVID¡
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04186-8
Individuals with potential exposure to SARS-CoV-2 do not necessarily develop PCR or antibody positivity, suggesting some may clear sub-clinical infection before seroconversion. T-cells can contribute to the rapid clearance of SARS-CoV-2 and other coronavirus infections1–3. We hypothesised that pre-existing memory T-cell responses, with cross-protective potential against SARS-CoV-24–11, would expand in vivo to support rapid viral control, aborting infection.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
just let these foreign interferers do their thing
Oh wait they really have found a way to reach ZeroCOVID¡
not that it might matter much soon anyway
This is good to see, I hope it happens here as well.
Singapore to start charging Covid patients who are ‘unvaccinated by choice
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
just let these foreign interferers do their thing
Oh wait they really have found a way to reach ZeroCOVID¡
not that it might matter much soon anyway
on further reading note of course this claiming ^ seems to be based in FlorImmensda so it might be a similar laboratory “trick” there
The head of Western Australia’s nurses’ union warns the damning report into Aishwarya’s Aswath’s death is just a taste of what the state can expect in its hospitals when COVID begins to spread – unless the government gets its nursing recruitment right.
Australian Nursing Federation WA state secretary Mark Olson said while conditions had improved at Perth Children’s Hospital since Aishwarya’s death, the same situations identified in the report could be seen across the health system.
The independent inquiry into the seven-year-old girl’s death in April found PCH staff were “exhausted, demoralised and isolated” and the emergency department had “suboptimal” contingencies in place to deal with higher workloads.
“I can’t think of a single public hospital that doesn’t have the same problems that are identified in this report,” Mr Olson said.
“The ambulance ramping, which hasn’t subsided, we’re still in the 4000 to 5000-hour range, that only happens because we don’t have enough beds in the hospital to move the patients through ED, that only happens because we don’t have enough nurses to staff those beds.
“We’re setting ourselves up for the same circumstances that created the tragic death of Aishwarya.”
The report found COVID border restrictions had caused havoc for nursing recruitment, which was too reliant on interstate and international clinical staff.
According to the COVID roadmap announced by the WA government last week, the state will set a date to open its borders next month, which will be the date forecast that 90 per cent of the vaccination will be fully vaccinated.
Mr Olson said the public should be concerned about what the report meant if COVID got into WA while vaccination rates were low.
“I’m really worried that if we’re in a situation right now, we just won’t cope. We don’t have enough experienced nurses to staff the ventilators,” he said.
“If they go any sooner we’re going to have a huge problem. The other states can cope with opening up at 70 and 80 per cent respectively, we won’t.
“They started a program last year to train more staff to get them ventilator competent … that stopped for six to eight months, and now they’re scrambling again.
“And the problem is they don’t have enough educators because the educators are on the ward taking a patient load.
“I think that this report gives us an insight into what’s been happening right across our WA health system, even without COVID.”
Mr Olson said he worried there were regional services already threatening to collapse in WA because of staff shortages.
Health Minister Roger Cook acknowledged the Health Department relied too heavily on casual staff and recruitment out of state but said his government was attempting to address it with the $1.9 billion health funding announced in the budget and an extra $400 million announced last week.
“These are trying times, and they’re the ones which the government has provided significant resources to try to address,” he said.
Aishwarya Aswath report: Perth Children’s Hospital emergency staff were ‘exhausted, demoralised’
That extra $400 million included the construction of new modular hospital rooms at existing hospitals such as Rockingham and Osborne Park to help deal with an anticipated influx of COVID patients.
COVID modelling the government is relying on for its roadmap out of the pandemic predicts that at a full vaccination rate of 90 per cent the state would record 43,108 symptomatic cases in the first year, with 937 of those ending up in general hospital wards, 106 ICU admissions, and 117 deaths.
Health Department Director General David Russell-Weisz said the $400 million would result in an extra 530 beds in the system over the next year.
“I don’t want to be complacent, we are in an enviable position and we want to get to the place where we actually flatten the curve and we have the least pressure because of COVID patients,” he said.
“What we want to do is address that demand and those 530 beds that will be open by October next year are going to be key.
“Midwives and theatre nurses we do have some, as an example, we do have some specific challenges, but I can assure you I feel … more comfortable than I did six months ago and certainly more than I did 12 months ago.”
Dr Russell-Weisz said WA was competing with other states, territories and countries for medical staff and vacancy rates in the public system had declined this year.
But Shadow Health Minister Libby Mettam called on Mr Cook to resign in the wake of the report being handed down on Tuesday.
“It is despicable that it has taken a tragedy such as a little girl’s death for the Health Minister to address the systemic issues at Perth Children’s Hospital,” she said.
“The Labor government has been dragged into acknowledging that the under-resourcing of this hospital was a major issue that contributed to Aishwarya’s death.
“The critical staff shortages and concerns about patient safety were raised by senior clinicians in October 2020, six months before Aishwarya’s death, but nothing was done.
“The Health Minister failed to act on those concerns with any urgency and ignored similar warnings from the Australian Medical Association and the Australian Nursing Federation.
“The buck stops with him, and he must resign immediately to enable real change within the system.”
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/nurses-union-says-aishwarya-report-a-bleak-warning-as-wa-hospitals-prepare-for-covid-20211109-p597iy.html
Bogsnorkler said:
The report found COVID border restrictions had caused havoc for nursing recruitment, which was too reliant on interstate and international clinical staff.
According to the COVID roadmap announced by the WA government last week, the state will set a date to open its borders next month, which will be the date forecast that 90 per cent of the vaccination will be fully vaccinated.
Mr Olson said the public should be concerned about what the report meant if COVID got into WA while vaccination rates were low.
So what do they want really¿
Open¿
Closed¿
The very thing keeping COVID-19 out of WA is also suffocating our hospital system
Gareth Parker
Gareth Parker
COVID-19 border closures, and the tragedy of Aishwarya Aswath’s death at Perth Children’s Hospital, have exposed the long-term workforce mismanagement at the heart of Western Australia’s public hospital system.
That mismanagement is that a rich, well-educated, well-funded, first-world health system has relied on pinching doctors and most especially nurses from overseas – including much poorer nations who could surely use the expertise at home – rather than train our own young people to provide for the care needs of the community.
Ironically, it is exactly the thing prolonging the border closures, which in circular fashion has exposed the inadequacies and folly of the strategy.
It is all laid out in the independent inquiry report into little Aishwarya’s death, three months overdue and released publicly on Tuesday.
The report described a litany of system failures at a newly commissioned hospital which form the backdrop of the specific clinical failures that occurred when the little girl and her distraught parents were ignored on the night she died of sepsis.
Nurses’ union says Aishwarya report a bleak warning as WA hospitals prepare for COVID
But it also spells out WA’s “historic” reliance on staff from other places that created major problems in responding to changing needs in an environment of closed borders.
“The hospital’s historic staffing and recruitment strategies, particularly for nursing staff, were severely disrupted by pandemic-related border closures and staff movements to statewide COVID-19 activities,” the report said.
That finding is neat shorthand for the lack of balance in WA’s COVID-19 response, which has prioritised an obsessive and singular mission of keeping the virus out above all other health and social priorities.
PCH’s strategy was to rely “heavily on national and international recruitment”, and let me give you the red hot tip – it is not just the children’s hospital.
“There was also a disproportionate dependence on casual and temporary contract arrangements,” the report said.
And it is nurses that make hospitals work.
“Nursing, particularly registered nurses, constitute the single largest clinical workforce in Australian hospitals and health services,” the report said.
“This is a female dominated profession and career interruptions regularly occur. WA has had a historical shortage of nurses and relies heavily on both international and national candidates to support and maintain adequate registered nurse numbers.
“The pandemic severely impeded access to workforce access and recruitment.
“WA nursing workforce capacity, particularly in the metropolitan EDs, has been impacted heavily by COVID-19 with many nurses responding to the needs and opportunities presented by the COVID-19 screening and vaccination programs.”
While the Aishwarya report highlights deficiencies in registered nurses at PCH, it is not just nurses and it is not just the children’s hospital.
Nor is it a problem created by the pandemic.
The report notes that a 2017 review of Princess Margaret Hospital highlighted shortcomings in the nursing workforce, identifying an “absence of adequate recruitment and retention strategies”.
COVID just meant that the chickens came home to roost.
King Edward Memorial Hospital has been so short of midwives that it has regularly been on bypass in recent months, sending mothers in labour to alternate hospitals because it cannot cater for them.
The community midwifery program recently contacted its patients to say that due to demand pressures, mothers might be handed over to hospital ward midwives when the time comes to give birth.
In the private sector, St John of God Geraldton last week announced it would suspend its maternity service for the first time in 86 years because it could not find enough staff to deliver the service.
That will put further pressure on the public Geraldton regional hospital and increases the likelihood that many mothers in the Mid West region will instead have their babies a long way from their communities in Perth.
It is not yet known exactly the extent to which these shortages are being exacerbated by vaccine mandates, but it is certain that a small number of nurses and midwives have quit rather than get the jab.
And it is not just nurses, but doctors and other specialists where the system is caught dreadfully short.
In August, 1400 elective surgeries were cancelled in a bid to tackle ramping, which has exploded over the course of the past year to monthly levels exceeding 5000 and 6000 hours, tenfold what was once considered excessive.
From the outside, it is hard to understand we are so short.
WA has no obvious shortage of nursing students, who have reported frustration for years in trying to get an entry-level position at a WA public hospital.
Nursing students at Edith Cowan University are regularly told that only one in every 20 of them will get a job in a WA public hospital.
To its eternal shame, the Australian Medical Association’s powerful WA branch lobbied against Barnett government efforts to get a new Curtin University medical school funded by the Commonwealth which, it was hoped, would increase the pipeline of doctors.
With mobility restricted globally, the pandemic has exposed the length of supply chains causing all sorts of shortages and disruptions in the supply of consumer goods and equipment.
This has prompted introspection about how those supply chains can be shortened to increase national self-reliance.
We can only hope a similar rethink is happening around the medical workforce so we can start to train sufficient local youngsters for our considerable future healthcare needs.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/the-very-thing-keeping-covid-19-out-of-wa-is-also-suffocating-our-hospital-system-20211109-p597jf.html
Jacinda Ardern’s popularity plunges as New Zealand reckons with new era of endemic Covid
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/jacinda-arderns-popularity-plunges-as-new-zealand-reckons-with-new-era-of-endemic-covid
My Vollie work
The Covid vaccine has now been mandated for all Staff and Volunteers for home and community aged care. We are required to have on record evidence of receiving the vaccine, either a COVID-19 Digital Certificate or an Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) these are available through your MyGov account (and then accessing your Medicare online account) alternatively you can call AIR 1800 653 809 to request a copy of your statement. When you have received both vaccines please forward a copy of your certificate. Thank you to the Volunteers that have already provided this.
Bogsnorkler said:
My Vollie workThe Covid vaccine has now been mandated for all Staff and Volunteers for home and community aged care. We are required to have on record evidence of receiving the vaccine, either a COVID-19 Digital Certificate or an Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) these are available through your MyGov account (and then accessing your Medicare online account) alternatively you can call AIR 1800 653 809 to request a copy of your statement. When you have received both vaccines please forward a copy of your certificate. Thank you to the Volunteers that have already provided this.
Protest!
Protest!
Protest!
Fight the Police!
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
My Vollie workThe Covid vaccine has now been mandated for all Staff and Volunteers for home and community aged care. We are required to have on record evidence of receiving the vaccine, either a COVID-19 Digital Certificate or an Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) these are available through your MyGov account (and then accessing your Medicare online account) alternatively you can call AIR 1800 653 809 to request a copy of your statement. When you have received both vaccines please forward a copy of your certificate. Thank you to the Volunteers that have already provided this.
Protest!
Protest!
Protest!
Fight the Police!
I’ll picket! Got Mah Freedum placard.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
My Vollie workThe Covid vaccine has now been mandated for all Staff and Volunteers for home and community aged care. We are required to have on record evidence of receiving the vaccine, either a COVID-19 Digital Certificate or an Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) these are available through your MyGov account (and then accessing your Medicare online account) alternatively you can call AIR 1800 653 809 to request a copy of your statement. When you have received both vaccines please forward a copy of your certificate. Thank you to the Volunteers that have already provided this.
Protest!
Protest!
Protest!
Fight the Police!
I’ll picket! Got Mah Freedum placard.
Purrfeck!
A boy who weighed less than a kilogram after his mother went into labour at only 21 weeks and one day of gestation has been certified as the world’s most premature baby to survive. Born 132 days premature on July 5, 2020, with a twin who didn’t survive, Curtis is now healthy and 16 months old. While Curtis still needs a feeding tube and supplemental oxygen because he was so premature, Dr Sims said he was in good health considering how early he was born.
Well no wonder it’s acceptable with COVID-19 to Let It Rip®, as long as only 5% or less of people die and everyone else didn’t die then healthcare win¡
SCIENCE said:
A boy who weighed less than a kilogram after his mother went into labour at only 21 weeks and one day of gestation has been certified as the world’s most premature baby to survive. Born 132 days premature on July 5, 2020, with a twin who didn’t survive, Curtis is now healthy and 16 months old. While Curtis still needs a feeding tube and supplemental oxygen because he was so premature, Dr Sims said he was in good health considering how early he was born.Well no wonder it’s acceptable with COVID-19 to Let It Rip®, as long as only 5% or less of people die and everyone else didn’t die then healthcare win¡
One reason that preventable death isn’t taken as seriously as it could be is because we’re all supposed to be sensibly resigned to death anyway.
Death is all part of life, we’re told, which is true enough, at least for life that’s not yet resourceful enough to avoid it entirely.
It’s sad that we’re not trying to avoid all Covid deaths but we’re not trying to avoid death in general. We could be pushing serious funds into creating a post-death form of humanity, but that would require that we not be “sensibly resigned to death anyway”.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
A boy who weighed less than a kilogram after his mother went into labour at only 21 weeks and one day of gestation has been certified as the world’s most premature baby to survive. Born 132 days premature on July 5, 2020, with a twin who didn’t survive, Curtis is now healthy and 16 months old. While Curtis still needs a feeding tube and supplemental oxygen because he was so premature, Dr Sims said he was in good health considering how early he was born.Well no wonder it’s acceptable with COVID-19 to Let It Rip®, as long as only 5% or less of people die and everyone else didn’t die then healthcare win¡
One reason that preventable death isn’t taken as seriously as it could be is because we’re all supposed to be sensibly resigned to death anyway.
Death is all part of life, we’re told, which is true enough, at least for life that’s not yet resourceful enough to avoid it entirely.
It’s sad that we’re not trying to avoid all Covid deaths but we’re not trying to avoid death in general. We could be pushing serious funds into creating a post-death form of humanity, but that would require that we not be “sensibly resigned to death anyway”.
a reduction of fitness generally precedes death, doubtful contemplating mortality without due regard the former is greatly helpful
I guess it’s possible people might be inclined to jump to death, ignore the decline in fitness, maybe ideology inclines that
NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Gary Worboys said the plan to allow Aboriginal communities to lock down was “impossible to police”
The NSW government then rejected the measures, despite the pleas of many Aboriginal communities and recommendations from all Australian health departments
In NSW, the Indigenous infection rate is spiralling, with 22 per cent of COVID-19 cases affecting Aboriginal people
SCIENCE said:
Excellent¡ It’s All Going To Plan
NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Gary Worboys said the plan to allow Aboriginal communities to lock down was “impossible to police”
The NSW government then rejected the measures, despite the pleas of many Aboriginal communities and recommendations from all Australian health departments
In NSW, the Indigenous infection rate is spiralling, with 22 per cent of COVID-19 cases affecting Aboriginal people
First Nations people were supposed to be included in group 1A or 1B of the rollout, but they weren’t specifically targeted. This is the predictable (and predicted) result. Seems the lessons of Wilcannia were not learnt.
sorry, forgot include link for previous https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/nsw-police-opposed-covid-plan-to-protect-aboriginal-communities/100606756 here you go
and next
but apparently now
COVID-free status will attract international university students
oh really
maybe this realisation could have been part of the discussion on what constitutes good pandemic response for the past 20 months
SCIENCE said:
sorry, forgot include link for previous https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/nsw-police-opposed-covid-plan-to-protect-aboriginal-communities/100606756 here you goand next
Wait We Thought We Had To Throw It All Open™ and Let It Rip® For The Economy Must Grow®
but apparently now
COVID-free status will attract international university students
oh really
maybe this realisation could have been part of the discussion on what constitutes good pandemic response for the past 20 months
Flamethrower and nuclear weapons.
Apparently the best students, who go on to tertiary education and beyond, benefit from slash should get used to online learning ¡
While many universities are adapting to the post-COVID world by continuing both online and in-person lectures, some are ditching the on-campus lecture experience entirely. The university’s management described the move as offering a more “flexible” and “effective” path to education. Ms Crothers said while online lectures offered people flexibility to fit their learning around their day, the format could take longer to get through. Melbourne resident and university student Roz Casey is currently doing her second masters degree online and said it suits her lifestyle and helps to balance work and family.
oh really
maybe this realisation could have been part of the discussion on what constitutes good pandemic response for the past 20 months
UTAS is not the only university to offer a mix of online and face-to-face learning. Western Australia’s Curtin University has a range of online study options for students, and while it has a focus on face-to-face teaching, some lectures will remain online, even post-pandemic. The University of the Sunshine Coast has gone even further and chosen to ditch all lectures — in-person and online — from next year, in favour of tutorials, podcasts and quizzes.
The university’s pro vice-chancellor of students, professor Denise Wood, told the ABC’s RN Breakfast: “We’ve taken on board student feedback and will offer more contemporary and flexible approaches to learning.” “We are increasing the opportunities for small group occasions like tutorials and workshops, which is a more interactive learning style.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/uni-lectures-ditched-in-favour-of-online-learning/100611962
Pat McConville, from the National Tertiary Education Union, said staff had “concerns that the university will look at recycling and reusing lecture recordings and there doesn’t seem a plan to keep lectures up-to-date at this present moment”. But Mr McConville said there were still positives in regard to the university’s move towards workshops, tutorials, practicals and seminars.
No wonder they want to force all younger (primary and secondary) students back to in-person schooling, they want to ensure students aren’t benefiting as much from or getting as used to the oppotunities of tertiary education ¡
Tau.Neutrino said:
Flamethrower and nuclear weapons.
Is this your new proposal for a slogan for the Energy Industries to market their New Environmental Vandalism ¿
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Flamethrower and nuclear weapons.
Is this your new proposal for a slogan for the Energy Industries to market their New Environmental Vandalism ¿
No, a moment of madness in a dystopian future.
hmmm
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Of particular concern, he says, is avian influenza, which can be carried by wild water birds. Ranging chickens can contract bird flu when they come into contact with these wild birds. A Victorian outbreak last year saw more than 460,000 hens killed.
“It’s just a matter of time before it happens again,” Mr Jenner says. “Do we accept that risk? Perhaps, but the consequences are horrendous.”
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FREEDOM
SCIENCE said:
hmmm—
Of particular concern, he says, is avian influenza, which can be carried by wild water birds. Ranging chickens can contract bird flu when they come into contact with these wild birds. A Victorian outbreak last year saw more than 460,000 hens killed.
“It’s just a matter of time before it happens again,” Mr Jenner says. “Do we accept that risk? Perhaps, but the consequences are horrendous.”
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FREEDOM
Freedom to get it?
or
Freedom to avoid it?
NSW: 286 new local cases, two deaths
Vic: 1,115 new local cases, nine deaths
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100614436
Michael V said:
NSW: 286 new local cases, two deathsVic: 1,115 new local cases, nine deaths
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100614436
If NSW is Gold standard…what’s Vic’s standard?
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 286 new local cases, two deathsVic: 1,115 new local cases, nine deaths
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100614436
If NSW is Gold standard…what’s Vic’s standard?
Vic’s recovery seems to be taking longer than NSW’s
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 286 new local cases, two deathsVic: 1,115 new local cases, nine deaths
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100614436
If NSW is Gold standard…what’s Vic’s standard?
I honestly don’t know. Maybe mullock standard.
SCIENCE said:
Oooh … After All The Alarmists … Apparently Preexisting T Cell Immunity Is A Thing After All
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04186-8
Individuals with potential exposure to SARS-CoV-2 do not necessarily develop PCR or antibody positivity, suggesting some may clear sub-clinical infection before seroconversion. T-cells can contribute to the rapid clearance of SARS-CoV-2 and other coronavirus infections1–3. We hypothesised that pre-existing memory T-cell responses, with cross-protective potential against SARS-CoV-24–11, would expand in vivo to support rapid viral control, aborting infection.
Nah who would listen to these so-called “experts” who claim otherwise.
Tau.Neutrino said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
NSW: 286 new local cases, two deaths
Vic: 1,115 new local cases, nine deaths
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100614436
If NSW is Gold standard…what’s Vic’s standard?
Vic’s recovery seems to be taking longer than NSW’s
Given that they both look more like plateaus we suggest maybe possibly people should perhaps consider that the correct interpretation is that “current measures are maintaining growth rate at a factor of approximately 1” and therefore to change behaviour at this point is liable to tip it either above or below 1.
If we take a step back and blur out case numbers for a moment and instead remember that “it’s a virus, it spreads” then whatever we do at a given time is not directly related to numbers but to growth rate (in fact it may be even more like pressing the accelerator of a vehicle than at first obvious)…
Measures should be adjusted to growth rate more than to case numbers.
whoops
whoops
whoops
whoops
Bubblecar said:
Jacinda Ardern’s popularity plunges as New Zealand reckons with new era of endemic Covid
don’t worry experts are still hoping for stamping out*, which means better hurry up and ignore them
https://theconversation.com/why-we-must-not-allow-covid-to-become-endemic-in-new-zealand-169608
*: maximal suppression elimination maintaining growth below 1 ZeroCOVID interrupting transmission
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:poikilotherm said:
If NSW is Gold standard…what’s Vic’s standard?
Vic’s recovery seems to be taking longer than NSW’s
Given that they both look more like plateaus we suggest maybe possibly people should perhaps consider that the correct interpretation is that “current measures are maintaining growth rate at a factor of approximately 1” and therefore to change behaviour at this point is liable to tip it either above or below 1.
If we take a step back and blur out case numbers for a moment and instead remember that “it’s a virus, it spreads” then whatever we do at a given time is not directly related to numbers but to growth rate (in fact it may be even more like pressing the accelerator of a vehicle than at first obvious)…
Measures should be adjusted to growth rate more than to case numbers.
Fair comment.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are sick-and-tired of wearing masks and socially distancing etc. They seem not to be responding to recommendations. Given an inch, take a mile…
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Vic’s recovery seems to be taking longer than NSW’s
Given that they both look more like plateaus we suggest maybe possibly people should perhaps consider that the correct interpretation is that “current measures are maintaining growth rate at a factor of approximately 1” and therefore to change behaviour at this point is liable to tip it either above or below 1.
If we take a step back and blur out case numbers for a moment and instead remember that “it’s a virus, it spreads” then whatever we do at a given time is not directly related to numbers but to growth rate (in fact it may be even more like pressing the accelerator of a vehicle than at first obvious)…
Measures should be adjusted to growth rate more than to case numbers.
Fair comment.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are sick-and-tired of wearing masks and socially distancing etc. They seem not to be responding to recommendations. Given an inch, take a mile…
Yeah as SCIENCE we can only advise on what is correct andor evidenced, we don’t make the laws. We understand that there is fatigue.
Fortunately for most of us who care about health and have the privilege to live in a strong societoeconomy, highly effective personally-protective measures are widely available so we can protect ourselves even if others around us choose to put us at risk. As you rightly observe, measures include
we mean, heck, people dress up to go out, spending hours on their hair and their wear. To consider one extra garment an intolerable imposition, is plainly misguided or worse.
We apologise to those who are or are close to people who are actually unable to take these measures, such as
and continue to advocate on their behalf.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:SCIENCE said:
Given that they both look more like plateaus we suggest maybe possibly people should perhaps consider that the correct interpretation is that “current measures are maintaining growth rate at a factor of approximately 1” and therefore to change behaviour at this point is liable to tip it either above or below 1.
If we take a step back and blur out case numbers for a moment and instead remember that “it’s a virus, it spreads” then whatever we do at a given time is not directly related to numbers but to growth rate (in fact it may be even more like pressing the accelerator of a vehicle than at first obvious)…
Measures should be adjusted to growth rate more than to case numbers.
Fair comment.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of people are sick-and-tired of wearing masks and socially distancing etc. They seem not to be responding to recommendations. Given an inch, take a mile…
Yeah as SCIENCE we can only advise on what is correct andor evidenced, we don’t make the laws. We understand that there is fatigue.
Fortunately for most of us who care about health and have the privilege to live in a strong societoeconomy, highly effective personally-protective measures are widely available so we can protect ourselves even if others around us choose to put us at risk. As you rightly observe, measures include
- N95+ masking when sharing airspace (allowing safe and close social interaction if desired)
- maintaining airspace distance if not masking (allowing free breathing of atmosphere if desired)
- vaccination to the tune of at least 3 shots
we mean, heck, people dress up to go out, spending hours on their hair and their wear. To consider one extra garment an intolerable imposition, is plainly misguided or worse.
We apologise to those who are or are close to people who are actually unable to take these measures, such as
- very young children
- people with disability
- people in other disadvantaged circumstances limiting access to measures
and continue to advocate on their behalf.
Again, fair comment. But sensible stuff is not always what people do.
Man arrested after allegedly crossing SA border in camouflage.
Meanwhile, in South Australia … a man has been arrested for allegedly breaching South Australia’s borders by walking across the border in the state’s south-east.
Police said the 36-year-old of no fixed address tried to hide by wearing camouflage clothing while in a forest near the border at Glenburnie yesterday morning.
He will face the Mount Gambier Magistrates Court via video link today, charged with failing to comply with a direction. He returned a negative COVID-19 test result.
Reporting by Eugene Boisvert
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Some people, hey. It raised a smile though.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100614436
Ice-man says: you can’t catch me, I’m the gingerbread man.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/tim-gunn-hobart-alleged-covid-breacher-faces-extra-charges/100615588
In NSW, 83 per cent of Aboriginal people have received a dose of a COVID vaccine, compared to 94 per cent of the total population.
However, in communities such as Boggabilla and Toomelah, near Moree, the rate is below 50 per cent.
Across Australia, only 55.3 per cent of First Nations people are fully vaccinated, compared to 81.1 per cent of all Australians aged 16 years and older.
The figure is as low as 31 per cent in Western Australia, 42 per cent in Queensland and 43 per cent in South Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/nsw-police-opposed-covid-plan-to-protect-aboriginal-communities/100606756
wait wait wait Open Freedom For The New Normal™ isn’t ¿¡ What a Godel Damn surprise
Professor Dale Fisher, an Australian infectious diseases expert, warns that any return to normal life may be short-lived, based on the experience of countries overseas.
Singapore, like Australia, had planned for a phased reopening once 80 per cent of the population were fully dosed.
Instead, it has faced its steepest curve of infections and deaths so far, with daily case numbers rising from double digits in August to more than 5,000 a fortnight ago.
Even with 85 per cent of Singapore’s population now fully vaccinated, hospitals remain overloaded and restrictions had to be reintroduced.
blah blah blah
Two suggested take outdoors points.
One. Double dosed is not fully vaccinated. Get boost before getting close.
Two. Coverage of the eligible population is not coverage of the population. Vaccinate your children or keep them otherwise safe until they can be.
Victoria records 1,221 new local COVID-19 cases and four deaths
There are now 16,671 active cases of the virus in Victoria, and 407 people have died in the state during the current Delta outbreak.
SCIENCE said:
wait wait wait Open Freedom For The New Normal™ isn’t ¿¡ What a Godel Damn surpriseProfessor Dale Fisher, an Australian infectious diseases expert, warns that any return to normal life may be short-lived, based on the experience of countries overseas.
Singapore, like Australia, had planned for a phased reopening once 80 per cent of the population were fully dosed.
Instead, it has faced its steepest curve of infections and deaths so far, with daily case numbers rising from double digits in August to more than 5,000 a fortnight ago.
Even with 85 per cent of Singapore’s population now fully vaccinated, hospitals remain overloaded and restrictions had to be reintroduced.
blah blah blah
Two suggested take outdoors points.
One. Double dosed is not fully vaccinated. Get boost before getting close.
Two. Coverage of the eligible population is not coverage of the population. Vaccinate your children or keep them otherwise safe until they can be.
it’s almost as if, like ‘opening up’ somehow helps the virus stay highly contagious, offsetting suppression by way of vaccine
the mechanism for that though completely escapes me crosseyed derrr look
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
wait wait wait Open Freedom For The New Normal™ isn’t ¿¡ What a Godel Damn surpriseProfessor Dale Fisher, an Australian infectious diseases expert, warns that any return to normal life may be short-lived, based on the experience of countries overseas.
Singapore, like Australia, had planned for a phased reopening once 80 per cent of the population were fully dosed.
Instead, it has faced its steepest curve of infections and deaths so far, with daily case numbers rising from double digits in August to more than 5,000 a fortnight ago.
Even with 85 per cent of Singapore’s population now fully vaccinated, hospitals remain overloaded and restrictions had to be reintroduced.
blah blah blah
Two suggested take outdoors points.
One. Double dosed is not fully vaccinated. Get boost before getting close.
Two. Coverage of the eligible population is not coverage of the population. Vaccinate your children or keep them otherwise safe until they can be.
it’s almost as if, like ‘opening up’ somehow helps the virus stay highly contagious, offsetting suppression by way of vaccine
the mechanism for that though completely escapes me crosseyed derrr look
I mean just the thought of opening up along with vaccination, vaccination for opening up, has this mysterious tendency to undermine anything like elimination, undermines the will and loyalty required for the globalist expansionist borderless tendencies of the virus, as if there were another contagion at work
transition said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
wait wait wait Open Freedom For The New Normal™ isn’t ¿¡ What a Godel Damn surpriseProfessor Dale Fisher, an Australian infectious diseases expert, warns that any return to normal life may be short-lived, based on the experience of countries overseas.
Singapore, like Australia, had planned for a phased reopening once 80 per cent of the population were fully dosed.
Instead, it has faced its steepest curve of infections and deaths so far, with daily case numbers rising from double digits in August to more than 5,000 a fortnight ago.
Even with 85 per cent of Singapore’s population now fully vaccinated, hospitals remain overloaded and restrictions had to be reintroduced.
blah blah blah
Two suggested take outdoors points.
One. Double dosed is not fully vaccinated. Get boost before getting close.
Two. Coverage of the eligible population is not coverage of the population. Vaccinate your children or keep them otherwise safe until they can be.
it’s almost as if, like ‘opening up’ somehow helps the virus stay highly contagious, offsetting suppression by way of vaccine
the mechanism for that though completely escapes me crosseyed derrr look
I mean just the thought of opening up along with vaccination, vaccination for opening up, has this mysterious tendency to undermine anything like elimination, undermines the will and loyalty required for the globalist expansionist borderless tendencies of the virus, as if there were another contagion at work
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
roughbarked said:
Victoria records 1,221 new local COVID-19 cases and four deaths
There are now 16,671 active cases of the virus in Victoria, and 407 people have died in the state during the current Delta outbreak.
Queensland records zero locally acquired COVID-19 cases as state inches towards 70pc double dose vaccine target
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Yes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
transition said:it’s almost as if, like ‘opening up’ somehow helps the virus stay highly contagious, offsetting suppression by way of vaccine
the mechanism for that though completely escapes me crosseyed derrr look
I mean just the thought of opening up along with vaccination, vaccination for opening up, has this mysterious tendency to undermine anything like elimination, undermines the will and loyalty required for the globalist expansionist borderless tendencies of the virus, as if there were another contagion at work
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Quarantine.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Yes.
Globally?
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:I mean just the thought of opening up along with vaccination, vaccination for opening up, has this mysterious tendency to undermine anything like elimination, undermines the will and loyalty required for the globalist expansionist borderless tendencies of the virus, as if there were another contagion at work
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Quarantine.
Quarantine hasn’t been overly successful in preventing cases getting into the community.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Yes.
Globally?
I wouldn’t have thought so.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Yes.
Globally?
Yes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Quarantine.
Quarantine hasn’t been overly successful in preventing cases getting into the community.
So it should have been done better, definitely agree.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
transition said:it’s almost as if, like ‘opening up’ somehow helps the virus stay highly contagious, offsetting suppression by way of vaccine
the mechanism for that though completely escapes me crosseyed derrr look
I mean just the thought of opening up along with vaccination, vaccination for opening up, has this mysterious tendency to undermine anything like elimination, undermines the will and loyalty required for the globalist expansionist borderless tendencies of the virus, as if there were another contagion at work
Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
there’s the objective of elimination, an orientation that way, beats the soft and highly accommodating background covid model
NSW was (or is) in fact in a very good position to set the standard and trend of reduction with an objective of elimination
just to be clear, those advocating endemic covid have absolutely no idea of the consequences of endemic covid and a treadmill of vaccinations longer term, entirely a crystal ball experiment
an appallingly risky experiment
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Yes.
Globally?
Yes.
I disagree.
transition said:
just to be clear, those advocating endemic covid have absolutely no idea of the consequences of endemic covid and a treadmill of vaccinations longer term, entirely a crystal ball experiment
an appallingly risky experiment
Those advocating endemic disease are supporters of future recurrent lockdown and other restrictions and are pushing for massive Big Pharma profits in the form of indefinite need for updated vaccines. The Drug Economy Must Grow ¡
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Globally?
Yes.
I disagree.
We’re correct.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Yes.
I disagree.
We’re correct.
Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
These alarmists should just STFU and stop breathing, it’s not like they died from a disease that only paralyses 1% of the population,
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-13/polio-survivors-living-with-disease-lasting-effects/100568596
we don’t need them to remind us that a mild head cold could have lasting nasty effects, we should have Let It Rip®, children are safe, go flock immunity, endemic is good ¡
SCIENCE said:
transition said:just to be clear, those advocating endemic covid have absolutely no idea of the consequences of endemic covid and a treadmill of vaccinations longer term, entirely a crystal ball experiment
an appallingly risky experiment
Those advocating endemic disease are supporters of future recurrent lockdown and other restrictions and are pushing for massive Big Pharma profits in the form of indefinite need for updated vaccines. The Drug Economy Must Grow ¡
Oh dear…
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I disagree.
We’re correct.
Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
“you”
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I disagree.
We’re correct.
Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
Gollum used to describe himself in the plural.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:just to be clear, those advocating endemic covid have absolutely no idea of the consequences of endemic covid and a treadmill of vaccinations longer term, entirely a crystal ball experiment
an appallingly risky experiment
Those advocating endemic disease are supporters of future recurrent lockdown and other restrictions and are pushing for massive Big Pharma profits in the form of indefinite need for updated vaccines. The Drug Economy Must Grow ¡
Oh dear…
well if you* prefer freedom and less need for frequent vaccination updates that people seem to resist
then perhaps getting rid of a disease that means the opposite might be a good idea
*: s
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:Those advocating endemic disease are supporters of future recurrent lockdown and other restrictions and are pushing for massive Big Pharma profits in the form of indefinite need for updated vaccines. The Drug Economy Must Grow ¡
Oh dear…
well if you* prefer freedom and less need for frequent vaccination updates that people seem to resist
then perhaps getting rid of a disease that means the opposite might be a good idea
*: s
No it’s obviously a conspiracy by globalists and big pharma to profit from the pandemic. There’s nothing we can do.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Oh dear…
well if you* prefer freedom and less need for frequent vaccination updates that people seem to resist
then perhaps getting rid of a disease that means the opposite might be a good idea
*: s
No it’s obviously a conspiracy by globalists and big pharma to profit from the pandemic. There’s nothing we can do.
So whether you believe there’s a conspiracy or not, you support restrictions and Big Pharma Profits.
As wise people have agreed before, elimination is exactly what people can do.
ahahahahahahaha
A leading epidemiologist says Australians will need a third and even a fourth dose of a COVID-19 vaccine as the country enters the next phase of the pandemic.
The warning comes despite more than 80 per cent of people aged 16 and over being fully* vaccinated with two doses.
*: oh there was more, this here too … ahahahahahahahahaha fully
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I disagree.
We’re correct.
Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
I doubt most people want endemic covid, you’d be one of the voices distracting from that inconvenient likelihood
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
well if you* prefer freedom and less need for frequent vaccination updates that people seem to resist
then perhaps getting rid of a disease that means the opposite might be a good idea
*: s
No it’s obviously a conspiracy by globalists and big pharma to profit from the pandemic. There’s nothing we can do.
So whether you believe there’s a conspiracy or not, you support restrictions and Big Pharma Profits.
As wise people have agreed before, elimination is exactly what people can do.
Yeah because China’s zero-covid policy has ended restrictions entirely.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Yeah because China’s zero-covid policy has ended restrictions entirely.
what are their restrictions
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is anything like elimination possible without leaving national and international borders permanently closed?
Quarantine.
Quarantine hasn’t been overly successful in preventing cases getting into the community.
Because quarantine was done so poorly. Hotel quarantine was a stop-gap measure that should have been replaced by dedicated facilities as fast as possible. It wasn’t.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah because China’s zero-covid policy has ended restrictions entirely.
what are their restrictions
I thought you’d be on top of this since you’re such a supporter of Comrade Xi.
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:We’re correct.
Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
I doubt most people want endemic covid, you’d be one of the voices distracting from that inconvenient likelihood
Okay now it’s your turn to outline the policy prescriptions to eliminate covid worldwide because MZL clearly doesn’t know.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah because China’s zero-covid policy has ended restrictions entirely.
what are their restrictions
Free speech. That’d be one…
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Yeah because China’s zero-covid policy has ended restrictions entirely.
what are their restrictions
I thought you’d be on top of this since you’re such a supporter of Comrade Xi.
We’re SCIENCE and we support good practice and evidenced reasoning. If you can’t identify restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission then maybe they really are far less restricted than places where they enjoy killing vulnerable people.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
what are their restrictions
I thought you’d be on top of this since you’re such a supporter of Comrade Xi.
We’re SCIENCE and we support good practice and evidenced reasoning. If you can’t identify restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission then maybe they really are far less restricted than places where they enjoy killing vulnerable people.
No community transmission eh?
Side note: in the 4500000000 years of earth history without COVID-19, there have been no restrictions targeted at getting rid of COVID-19.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I thought you’d be on top of this since you’re such a supporter of Comrade Xi.
We’re SCIENCE and we support good practice and evidenced reasoning. If you can’t identify restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission then maybe they really are far less restricted than places where they enjoy killing vulnerable people.
No community transmission eh?
Go on.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
We’re SCIENCE and we support good practice and evidenced reasoning. If you can’t identify restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission then maybe they really are far less restricted than places where they enjoy killing vulnerable people.
No community transmission eh?
Go on.
You’re the one making the claim.
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah because China’s zero-covid policy has ended restrictions entirely.
what are their restrictions
Free speech. That’d be one…
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
I doubt most people want endemic covid, you’d be one of the voices distracting from that inconvenient likelihood
Okay now it’s your turn to outline the policy prescriptions to eliminate covid worldwide because MZL clearly doesn’t know.
I thought it fairly clear I was pointing to the problems of departing from the objective of elimination, which isn’t the same as eliminating it
my view is that a strong departure from elimination, a policy for endemic covid, basically lends to dishonesty, if only from diminished responsibility
at this stage, given the state of vaccines for covid, and what is known of longer term effects of covid infection (possibility of late-onset-sequelae for example), that a policy of endemic covid is irresponsible
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
No community transmission eh?
Go on.
You’re the one making the claim.
So you think WA / NT / SA / QLD / NSW / ACT / VIC / AC / TAS have all been lying.
sibeen said:
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
what are their restrictions
Free speech. That’d be one…
Fair, we did consider making a similar quip but were trying to humour Chris here and keeping to the COVID-19 business.
transition said:
I thought it fairly clear I was pointing to the problems of departing from the objective of elimination, which isn’t the same as eliminating it
my view is that a strong departure from elimination, a policy for endemic covid, basically lends to dishonesty, if only from diminished responsibility
at this stage, given the state of vaccines for covid, and what is known of longer term effects of covid infection (possibility of late-onset-sequelae for example), that a policy of endemic covid is irresponsible
We mostly agree though go further to point out that a growth rate of 0.99999999 means that it is inevitable that a disease becomes endemic with an equilibrium incidence of 0.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Go on.
You’re the one making the claim.
So you think WA / NT / SA / QLD / NSW / ACT / VIC / AC / TAS have all been lying.
We’re talking about China.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
You’re the one making the claim.
So you think WA / NT / SA / QLD / NSW / ACT / VIC / AC / TAS have all been lying.
We’re talking about China.
Well if Chris is so obsessed about CHINA that the only COVID-19 strategy ‘e can conceive of is CHINA then so be it, because as ^ ^^ ^^^ et cetera, we were talking about restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
So you think WA / NT / SA / QLD / NSW / ACT / VIC / AC / TAS have all been lying.
We’re talking about China.
Well if Chris is so obsessed about CHINA that the only COVID-19 strategy ‘e can conceive of is CHINA then so be it, because as ^ ^^ ^^^ et cetera, we were talking about restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission.
I rest my case.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
We’re talking about China.
Well if Chris is so obsessed about CHINA that the only COVID-19 strategy ‘e can conceive of is CHINA then so be it, because as ^ ^^ ^^^ et cetera, we were talking about restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission.
I rest my case.
What case was that, or is it being rested because it is absent¿
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Well if Chris is so obsessed about CHINA that the only COVID-19 strategy ‘e can conceive of is CHINA then so be it, because as ^ ^^ ^^^ et cetera, we were talking about restrictions in geopolitical jurisdictions that have zero community transmission.
I rest my case.
What case was that, or is it being rested because it is absent¿
Your ability to counter simple points questioning your unhinged blathering is what is absent in this discussion.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I rest my case.
What case was that, or is it being rested because it is absent¿
Your ability to counter simple points questioning your unhinged blathering is what is absent in this discussion.
Well put it simply then, don’t go pretending you are presenting a case that doesn’t exist.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
What case was that, or is it being rested because it is absent¿
Your ability to counter simple points questioning your unhinged blathering is what is absent in this discussion.
Well put it simply then, don’t go pretending you are presenting a case that doesn’t exist.
Heh. Like I said I rest my case.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Your ability to counter simple points questioning your unhinged blathering is what is absent in this discussion.
Well put it simply then, don’t go pretending you are presenting a case that doesn’t exist.
Heh. Like I said I rest my case.
which doesn’t exist
anyway we apologise for entertaining the trolling but here this might be a more uplifting form of entertaining
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2682
Government ministers not wearing masks was bad enough, but their defence of this position is even worse
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Well put it simply then, don’t go pretending you are presenting a case that doesn’t exist.
Heh. Like I said I rest my case.
which doesn’t exist
Yeah keep telling yourself that. It’s a pity that you evade any questioning by latching onto extraneous subjects when you are asked a few simple questions but any challenge to your immense ego must be trying.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I rest my case.
What case was that, or is it being rested because it is absent¿
Your ability to counter simple points questioning your unhinged blathering is what is absent in this discussion.
exhibits little propensity for personal insults though, of course you could have meant unhinged in a friendlier way than I read it, and perhaps you did, or perhaps you didn’t
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:We’re correct.
Should use the personal pronoun ‘I’ when claiming to represent a view not shared by anyone except Onty.
Gollum used to describe himself in the plural.
I think you will find that Gollum is a fictional person…
;)
Oh dear, numbers are really rising in the Netherlands again.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/
““From Monday 15 November, NSW Health will no longer provide a breakdown of locally acquired and overseas acquired COVID-19 cases in its daily updates, but instead provide a total of all cases,” a NSW Health spokesperson told Nine News.
Due to quarantine-free travel in the state, the source of infection can no longer be accurately reported on a daily basis, NSW Health said. Rather, the breakdown of local and overseas acquired cases will be reported in NSW Health’s weekly COVID-19 surveillance reports.”
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Too hard, let’s give up…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-13/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-latest-updates/100617566
Michael V said:
““From Monday 15 November, NSW Health will no longer provide a breakdown of locally acquired and overseas acquired COVID-19 cases in its daily updates, but instead provide a total of all cases,” a NSW Health spokesperson told Nine News.Due to quarantine-free travel in the state, the source of infection can no longer be accurately reported on a daily basis, NSW Health said. Rather, the breakdown of local and overseas acquired cases will be reported in NSW Health’s weekly COVID-19 surveillance reports.”
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Too hard, let’s give up…
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welcome the global village, the source of infection matters less each moment, nicely lost amongst the local covid background noise
transition said:
Michael V said:
““From Monday 15 November, NSW Health will no longer provide a breakdown of locally acquired and overseas acquired COVID-19 cases in its daily updates, but instead provide a total of all cases,” a NSW Health spokesperson told Nine News.Due to quarantine-free travel in the state, the source of infection can no longer be accurately reported on a daily basis, NSW Health said. Rather, the breakdown of local and overseas acquired cases will be reported in NSW Health’s weekly COVID-19 surveillance reports.”
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Too hard, let’s give up…
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welcome the global village, the source of infection matters less each moment, nicely lost amongst the local covid background noise
+1
It’s complete rubbish. One of the easiest things to report is how many of the news cases had arrived from overseas in the past x days.
Speedy said:
transition said:
Michael V said:
““From Monday 15 November, NSW Health will no longer provide a breakdown of locally acquired and overseas acquired COVID-19 cases in its daily updates, but instead provide a total of all cases,” a NSW Health spokesperson told Nine News.Due to quarantine-free travel in the state, the source of infection can no longer be accurately reported on a daily basis, NSW Health said. Rather, the breakdown of local and overseas acquired cases will be reported in NSW Health’s weekly COVID-19 surveillance reports.”
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Too hard, let’s give up…
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welcome the global village, the source of infection matters less each moment, nicely lost amongst the local covid background noise
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It’s complete rubbish. One of the easiest things to report is how many of the news cases had arrived from overseas in the past x days.
Yep.
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/accused-perth-nurse-christine-hartmann-benz-and-the-anti-vaxxers-trying-to-avoid-mandatory-vaccination-c-4503484
Bogsnorkler said:
Ms Hartmann Benz, 51, was arrested this week and charged with gaining benefit by fraud after a doctor allegedly observed her prepare the syringe and insert the needle into a 15-year-old boy’s arm during an appointment last Sunday but fail to actually depress and administer the vaccine.
next thing you know they could even arrest all the authorities claiming that people are “fully vaccinated” when in fact they are 67% vaccinated
yeah but mask mandates violate human rights and strict measures in schools make students stupid
Laugh Out Loud
‘Ook in Duitsland is een grote uitstroom van verpleegkundigen’, vertelt Gommers. ‘Bij onze Oosterburen zien we tegelijkertijd een grote stijging van het aantal besmettingen. En dus hebben onze collega’s in Duitsland gezegd: sorry, maar wij kunnen echt even geen patiënten overnemen. Dat is een flinke streep door de rekening.’
‘De hulp vanuit Duitsland om de druk op de ziekenhuizen te verminderen was een belangrijke uitvlucht. Daarom is het zo belangrijk om nu echt dit pakket aan maatregelen te nemen. Voor ons was dit ook een belangrijk argument om bij Hugo de Jonge aan te dringen op strikte maatregelen. Die maatregelen zijn echt nodig om een zorginfarct in december te voorkomen,’ aldus Gommers.
Die Beatmungsplätze in den bayerischen Krankenhäusern werden knapp. Am Donnerstag sind deshalb zwei schwerkranke Corona-Patienten nach Italien verlegt worden. Das berichtet die “Süddeutsche Zeitung”. Demnach sei ein Patient aus dem Klinikum Freising von einem in München stationierten Hubschrauber nach Bozen geflogen worden, ein weiterer sei mit einem Rettungswagen nach Meran gefahren worden.
https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/podcast/a08b548b-847f-4161-bbe7-8a12babf1306/diederik-gommers-geen-hulp-uit-duitsland-belangrijke-reden-voor-stevige-maatregelen
https://www.t-online.de/region/muenchen/news/id_91138590/volle-intensivstationen-in-bayern-zwei-corona-patienten-nach-italien-verlegt.html
we wonder if such problems could be foreseen andor prevented
nah actually we don’t wonder, they can’t
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
What case was that, or is it being rested because it is absent¿
Your ability to counter simple points questioning your unhinged blathering is what is absent in this discussion.
Heh. Like I said I rest my case.
which doesn’t exist
Yeah keep telling yourself that. It’s a pity that you evade any questioning by latching onto extraneous subjects when you are asked a few simple questions but any challenge to your immense ego must be trying.
exhibits little propensity for personal insults though, of course you could have meant unhinged in a friendlier way than I read it, and perhaps you did, or perhaps you didn’t
Don’t worry, because the large volume of value we have contributed on this topic is spread over like 100 threads we forgive Chris for not taking some time to even look, especially since we’ve already discussed the strategies that work at some length even in this thread, but we all know that representing didn’t look as didn’t find is a bit of a rhetorical device, a specific type of that really*.
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*: sounds a bit like a phallus, if you know what we mean
But you’re right, we prefer to give a compliment, to acknowledge that Chris has enough intelligence to attempt 做賊喊抓賊preemptive blameshifting做賊喊抓賊, have you seen any evidence of the purported case, guess there’s no need for detailed strategy when the proposed strategy is “just go back to normal”.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:Witty Rejoinder said:
Yeah keep telling yourself that. It’s a pity that you evade any questioning by latching onto extraneous subjects when you are asked a few simple questions but any challenge to your immense ego must be trying.
exhibits little propensity for personal insults though, of course you could have meant unhinged in a friendlier way than I read it, and perhaps you did, or perhaps you didn’t
Don’t worry, because the large volume of value we have contributed on this topic is spread over like 100 threads we forgive Chris for not taking some time to even look, especially since we’ve already discussed the strategies that work at some length even in this thread, but we all know that representing didn’t look as didn’t find is a bit of a rhetorical device, a specific type of that really*.
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*: sounds a bit like a phallus, if you know what we meanBut you’re right, we prefer to give a compliment, to acknowledge that Chris has enough intelligence to attempt
做賊喊抓賊preemptive blameshifting做賊喊抓賊, have you seen any evidence of the purported case, guess there’s no need for detailed strategy when the proposed strategy is “just go back to normal”.
Like you’re some sort of expert on the subject. You’re a high-school teacher who thinks you know more than the globally recognised experts in epidemiology. Like I said: Ego.
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
transition said:
Michael V said:
““From Monday 15 November, NSW Health will no longer provide a breakdown of locally acquired and overseas acquired COVID-19 cases in its daily updates, but instead provide a total of all cases,” a NSW Health spokesperson told Nine News.
Due to quarantine-free travel in the state, the source of infection can no longer be accurately reported on a daily basis, NSW Health said. Rather, the breakdown of local and overseas acquired cases will be reported in NSW Health’s weekly COVID-19 surveillance reports.”
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Too hard, let’s give up…
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welcome the global village, the source of infection matters less each moment, nicely lost amongst the local covid background noise
+1
It’s complete rubbish. One of the easiest things to report is how many of the news cases had arrived from overseas in the past x days.
Yep.
kind of disagree, no need to paint it as incompetence or even apathy, we suggest
what was said, and which part isn’t being said, consider
Would you want to be scared every time an … infected traveller not in quarantine … starts a new outbreak, would you¿
Would you agree with “quarantine-free travel in the state” if “the source of infection” could “be accurately reported” as … an infected traveller not in quarantine … “on a daily basis“¿
you’re right, answers are probably “no” then “yes”, The Economy Must Grow®, better Let It Rip®
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
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exhibits little propensity for personal insults though, of course you could have meant unhinged in a friendlier way than I read it, and perhaps you did, or perhaps you didn’t
Don’t worry, because the large volume of value we have contributed on this topic is spread over like 100 threads we forgive Chris for not taking some time to even look, especially since we’ve already discussed the strategies that work at some length even in this thread, but we all know that representing didn’t look as didn’t find is a bit of a rhetorical device, a specific type of that really*.
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*: sounds a bit like a phallus, if you know what we meanBut you’re right, we prefer to give a compliment, to acknowledge that Chris has enough intelligence to attempt
做賊喊抓賊preemptive blameshifting做賊喊抓賊, have you seen any evidence of the purported case, guess there’s no need for detailed strategy when the proposed strategy is “just go back to normal”.
Like you’re some sort of expert on the subject. You’re a high-school teacher who thinks you know more than the globally recognised experts in epidemiology. Like I said: Ego.
You’re right, we’re high school teachers who knows when students are accusing others of not having a case when they have no case themselves. Like you said: you have no idea.
SCIENCE said:
knows
We Blame CHINA For Inventing Language With No Plural Forms
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Don’t worry, because the large volume of value we have contributed on this topic is spread over like 100 threads we forgive Chris for not taking some time to even look, especially since we’ve already discussed the strategies that work at some length even in this thread, but we all know that representing didn’t look as didn’t find is a bit of a rhetorical device, a specific type of that really*.
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*: sounds a bit like a phallus, if you know what we meanBut you’re right, we prefer to give a compliment, to acknowledge that Chris has enough intelligence to attempt
做賊喊抓賊preemptive blameshifting做賊喊抓賊, have you seen any evidence of the purported case, guess there’s no need for detailed strategy when the proposed strategy is “just go back to normal”.
Like you’re some sort of expert on the subject. You’re a high-school teacher who thinks you know more than the globally recognised experts in epidemiology. Like I said: Ego.
You’re right, we’re high school teachers who knows when students are accusing others of not having a case when they have no case themselves. Like you said: you have no idea.
You’re the one who avoids answering questions.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Like you’re some sort of expert on the subject. You’re a high-school teacher who thinks you know more than the globally recognised experts in epidemiology. Like I said: Ego.
You’re right, we’re high school teachers who knows when students are accusing others of not having a case when they have no case themselves. Like you said: you have no idea.
You’re the one who avoids answering questions.
We’re high school teachers who are happy to guide you to the answers, which as mentioned are in this and 100 previous threads, so go ahead, start here and enjoy the many threads where high school teachers have quoted and cited and mentioned globally recognised experts in epidemiology.
SCIENCE said:
We Blame CHINA For Being So Keen To Deliver Faster Next Generation Network Technology That Other Countries Rejected Their Advances And Made Us Too Slow As A Consequence
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:You’re right, we’re high school teachers who knows when students are accusing others of not having a case when they have no case themselves. Like you said: you have no idea.
You’re the one who avoids answering questions.
We’re high school teachers who are happy to guide you to the answers, which as mentioned are in this and 100 previous threads, so go ahead, start here and enjoy the many threads where high school teachers have quoted and cited and mentioned globally recognised experts in epidemiology.
Nah I don’t engage with cherry-picking. You said yesterday you knew how we could eliminate covid globally. Go on then…
Bogsnorkler said:
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/accused-perth-nurse-christine-hartmann-benz-and-the-anti-vaxxers-trying-to-avoid-mandatory-vaccination-c-4503484
some of them could be avoiding mandatory endemic covid too, got deprived the language to express that, but yeah convenient to steer perceptions of into the anti-vaccination camp
could be an interesting case anyway, pretending to give a vaccination with agreement of the two nearest parties, receiver and dispenser
I mean using vaccinations for endemic disease, to introduce the disease, it’s a new development, probably a good idea to give people time to get their heads around that
Witty Rejoinder said:
You said yesterday you knew how we could eliminate covid globally. Go on then…
Prevent transmission.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:You’re right, we’re high school teachers who knows when students are accusing others of not having a case when they have no case themselves. Like you said: you have no idea.
You’re the one who avoids answering questions.
We’re high school teachers who are happy to guide you to the answers, which as mentioned are in this and 100 previous threads, so go ahead, start here and enjoy the many threads where high school teachers have quoted and cited and mentioned globally recognised experts in epidemiology.
May I ask how high school teachers SCIENCE are?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the one who avoids answering questions.
We’re high school teachers who are happy to guide you to the answers, which as mentioned are in this and 100 previous threads, so go ahead, start here and enjoy the many threads where high school teachers have quoted and cited and mentioned globally recognised experts in epidemiology.
May I ask how high school teachers SCIENCE are?
Seems to be a word missing…
The Rev Dodgson said:
May I ask how high school teachers SCIENCE are?
We’re fairly well today, but feeling a bit slow after a greasy meal.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You said yesterday you knew how we could eliminate covid globally. Go on then…
Prevent transmission.
How so?
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:We’re high school teachers who are happy to guide you to the answers, which as mentioned are in this and 100 previous threads, so go ahead, start here and enjoy the many threads where high school teachers have quoted and cited and mentioned globally recognised experts in epidemiology.
May I ask how high school teachers SCIENCE are?
Seems to be a word missing…
Indeed so.
The word is many.
Insert it where you will.
buffy said:
Night night.
(Have fun, Witty…)
Sorry we must have mistaken this charade for a serious line of pandemic enquiry, oh well we suppose everyone does make mistakes sometimes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
You said yesterday you knew how we could eliminate covid globally. Go on then…
Prevent transmission.
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Prevent transmission.
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. B
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Prevent transmission.
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
To be fair, SCIENCE have consistently favoured prevention of transmission, and I assumed most of us agree with them.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:May I ask how high school teachers SCIENCE are many?
Seems to be a word missing…
Indeed so.
The word is many.
Insert it where you will.
We teach workplace-relevant science and physics and chemistry and biology and mathematics and computer science and general science and primary science and early childhood and there are as many of us as is necessary to cover those.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Prevent transmission.
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. How would you eliminate transmission in Africa for example?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. B
OK well put them into action and see if you don’t get a growth rate of 0.999999 or you know what we’ll settle for 0.99999999 and BOOM inevitable endemicity with an inevitable incidence of 0.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. How would you eliminate transmission in Africa for example?
Good question. Do any means of preventing transmission in notAfrica, also work in Africa¿
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. B
OK well put them into action and see if you don’t get a growth rate of 0.999999 or you know what we’ll settle for 0.99999999 and BOOM inevitable endemicity with an inevitable incidence of 0.
How com
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. B
OK well put them into action and see if you don’t get a growth rate of 0.999999 or you know what we’ll settle for 0.99999999 and BOOM inevitable endemicity with an inevitable incidence of 0.
How come all have tried and failed for any exte
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. B
OK well put them into action and see if you don’t get a growth rate of 0.999999 or you know what we’ll settle for 0.99999999 and BOOM inevitable endemicity with an inevitable incidence of 0.
How come all have tried and failed for any exte
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. B
OK well put them into action and see if you don’t get a growth rate of 0.999999 or you know what we’ll settle for 0.99999999 and BOOM inevitable endemicity with an inevitable incidence of 0.
How come all have tried and failed for any extended period of time then?
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
How so?
Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
To be fair, SCIENCE have consistently favoured prevention of transmission, and I assumed most of us agree with them.
yeah I don’t see anything too outrageous about SCINECE’s position, it’s anti-covid, which I expect most people are, favors an average R = <1 across regions, States, continents, a bigger picture global trend of R = <1
a commitment to a trend of R = <1, some shared commitment to that end
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:Do you know of any means of preventing transmission¿
Many. How would you eliminate transmission in Africa for example?
Good question. Do any means of preventing transmission in notAfrica, also work in Africa¿
What jurisdiction should Africa copy?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Many. B
OK well put them into action and see if you don’t get a growth rate of 0.999999 or you know what we’ll settle for 0.99999999 and BOOM inevitable endemicity with an inevitable incidence of 0.
How come all have tried and failed for any extended period of time then?
um
One. You’re right that many have tried, and then many have failed for any extended period of time. Perhaps they should have tried more extensively, and failed less early.
Two. We’ll even give you one answer, vaccine. For how long has anyone tried having enough (3 doses) of a decent vaccine (mRNA) to be effective¿ Does “not yet had vaccine” count as failure¿
Three. We’ve already discussed the phenomenon of certain groups of people being heavily, even occupationally, exposed, but using methods that interrupt transmission, successfully, for extended periods of time. It may be worth looking back over that.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Many. How would you eliminate transmission in Africa for example?
Good question. Do any means of preventing transmission in notAfrica, also work in Africa¿
What jurisdiction should Africa copy?
We’ve discussed this before too. Unlike Chris, we believe that African countries, peoples, leaders, whateverthefucks, have enough intelligence to consider available (and unavailable) means of preventing transmission, and decide on a combination of available (and a wishlist of unavailable) means, without “copying” some formulaic “juristiction” success (or failure).
Note we do agree that there seem to be more examples of success than failure, so we hold that this question is (if not overtly then) verging on inappropriately leading, as if it would be a good idea to copy failure. It seems fair to avoid leading questions but hey, could that be called evasion¿
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
Good question. Do any means of preventing transmission in notAfrica, also work in Africa¿
What jurisdiction should Africa copy?
We’ve discussed this before too. Unlike Chris, we believe that African countries, peoples, leaders, whateverthefucks, have enough intelligence to consider available (and unavailable) means of preventing transmission, and decide on a combination of available (and a wishlist of unavailable) means, without “copying” some formulaic “juristiction” success (or failure).
Note we do agree that there seem to be more examples of success than failure, so we hold that this question is (if not overtly then) verging on inappropriately leading, as if it would be a good idea to copy failure. It seems fair to avoid leading questions but hey, could that be called evasion¿
Well Africa couldn’t do it one its own. They would need very substantial outside help.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What jurisdiction should Africa copy?
We’ve discussed this before too. Unlike Chris, we believe that African countries, peoples, leaders, whateverthefucks, have enough intelligence to consider available (and unavailable) means of preventing transmission, and decide on a combination of available (and a wishlist of unavailable) means, without “copying” some formulaic “juristiction” success (or failure).
Note we do agree that there seem to be more examples of success than failure, so we hold that this question is (if not overtly then) verging on inappropriately leading, as if it would be a good idea to copy failure. It seems fair to avoid leading questions but hey, could that be called evasion¿
Well Africa couldn’t do it one its own. They would need very substantial outside help.
Glad you asked. Here’s some outside help for you.
that last one made us laugh though, Australia “we’re not CHINA we’re totally with everyone else against CHINA except we’re exactly the same as CHINA wait” out loud
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:SCIENCE said:
We’ve discussed this before too. Unlike Chris, we believe that African countries, peoples, leaders, whateverthefucks, have enough intelligence to consider available (and unavailable) means of preventing transmission, and decide on a combination of available (and a wishlist of unavailable) means, without “copying” some formulaic “juristiction” success (or failure).
Note we do agree that there seem to be more examples of success than failure, so we hold that this question is (if not overtly then) verging on inappropriately leading, as if it would be a good idea to copy failure. It seems fair to avoid leading questions but hey, could that be called evasion¿
Well Africa couldn’t do it one its own. They would need very substantial outside help.
Glad you asked. Here’s some outside help for you.
Vaccines are only the beginning. If we average out income to $5 a day per capita for the 1.2 billion Africans for the 3-4 months minimum it would take to properly self isolate and receive jabs we’re talking $540 billion USD. The rich world hasn’t even managed $100 billion for climate change abatement to developing countries as agreed in Paris at COP21 so $540B might be a stretch.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Well Africa couldn’t do it one its own. They would need very substantial outside help.
Glad you asked. Here’s some outside help for you.
Vaccines are only the beginning. If we average out income to $5 a day per capita for the 1.2 billion Africans for the 3-4 months minimum it would take to properly self isolate and receive jabs we’re talking $540 billion USD. The rich world hasn’t even managed $100 billion for climate change abatement to developing countries as agreed in Paris at COP21 so $540B might be a stretch.
So what we’re saying is that nobody knows how to fix global warming … globally.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:Glad you asked. Here’s some outside help for you.
Vaccines are only the beginning. If we average out income to $5 a day per capita for the 1.2 billion Africans for the 3-4 months minimum it would take to properly self isolate and receive jabs we’re talking $540 billion USD. The rich world hasn’t even managed $100 billion for climate change abatement to developing countries as agreed in Paris at COP21 so $540B might be a stretch.
So what we’re saying is that nobody knows how to fix global warming … globally.
These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Vaccines are only the beginning. If we average out income to $5 a day per capita for the 1.2 billion Africans for the 3-4 months minimum it would take to properly self isolate and receive jabs we’re talking $540 billion USD. The rich world hasn’t even managed $100 billion for climate change abatement to developing countries as agreed in Paris at COP21 so $540B might be a stretch.
So what we’re saying is that nobody knows how to fix global warming … globally.
These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
Here’s a non-sequitur:
. Or another one if you like
.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:So what we’re saying is that nobody knows how to fix global warming … globally.
These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:So what we’re saying is that nobody knows how to fix global warming … globally.
These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
.
The monetary sums involved invited comparison and the $100 billion pledged by th
It’s all right, we get it, it’s not all about the money. Seems everyone knows what kind of thing needs to be done to fix this global warming thing, apparently they’re not doing it but hey at least the high school SCIENCE teachers get to educate students on climate encourage students to join the climate strike *.
*: disclaimer, we deny participation in any illegal protesting or inciting anyone to participate in any illegal protesting
Anyway turns out buffy was right it has been quite an entertaining night, we thank all others who have contributed including The Rev Dodgson and transition and Bubblecar and apologies to others we may have missed.
We’re glad that Witty Rejoinder and SCIENCE have come to agreement that Africa is worth supporting and helping and providing assistance to, in health matters as well as climate, and in the spirit of that agreement / consensus / harmony we add this which we’re up to reading.
Pacific Rim leaders have agreed to do all they can to improve access to coronavirus vaccines and reduce carbon emissions
A joint statement by the leaders said widespread access to vaccines was a priority.
“Because nobody is safe until everyone is safe, we are determined to ensure extensive immunisation of our people against COVID-19 as a global public good,” the statement read.
The APEC leaders said they supported efforts to share vaccines equitably and to expand vaccine manufacture and supply, including through the voluntary transfer of vaccine production technology.
The statement also said APEC supported improving trade in COVID-19 vaccines and related medical products, including through streamlined customs procedures.
Good news, and as Chris has just said, good night¡
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
fuck this pandemic
whoops
whoops
yeah but mask mandates violate human rights and strict measures in schools make students stupidLaugh Out Loud
we wonder if such problems could be foreseen andor prevented
nah actually we don’t wonder, they can’t
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/austria-orders-lockdown-for-the-unvaccinated/100620180
The country is the first European nation to reinstate severe restrictions used before vaccines were rolled out, although this time they only affect a minority of the population. The move prohibits unvaccinated individuals older than 12 years from leaving their homes, except for essential activities, such as work, grocery shopping, exercise or getting vaccinated. This lockdown will affect about two million people in the Alpine country of 8.9 million, news agency APA reported. Roughly 65 per cent of Austria’s population is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, one of the lowest rates in western Europe.
FREEDOM¡
Binchicken Wouldn’t Have Had The Guts, This Is Great News¡
The NSW government plans to roll back a special protection for frontline workers who test positive for COVID-19, saying it will save businesses half a billion dollars. The special COVID-19 provision was added to the Workers Compensation Act in May 2020. It means that workers in retail, healthcare, hospitality and other frontline industries who catch COVID-19 are presumed to have caught it in the course of their employment – which makes it easier to file a workers’ compensation claim. Premier Dominic Perrottet said on Sunday that when the amendments were made, there was very little information about how COVID-19 was spread and there were no vaccines. Repealing the section would mean the system is fair to employees, while also ensuring businesses aren’t hit with a spike in insurance premiums, he said.
Victoria: 860 new local cases, five deaths. 87 per cent of those 12+ are fully vaccinated
NSW: 165 new local cases, one death. 91.1 per cent of those 16+ are fully vaccinated
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-latest-updates/100619316
SCIENCE said:
Binchicken Wouldn’t Have Had The Guts, This Is Great News¡The NSW government plans to roll back a special protection for frontline workers who test positive for COVID-19, saying it will save businesses half a billion dollars. The special COVID-19 provision was added to the Workers Compensation Act in May 2020. It means that workers in retail, healthcare, hospitality and other frontline industries who catch COVID-19 are presumed to have caught it in the course of their employment – which makes it easier to file a workers’ compensation claim. Premier Dominic Perrottet said on Sunday that when the amendments were made, there was very little information about how COVID-19 was spread and there were no vaccines. Repealing the section would mean the system is fair to employees, while also ensuring businesses aren’t hit with a spike in insurance premiums, he said.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/essential-workers-set-to-lose-covid-19-workers-compensation-protection-20211114-p598qc.html
Michael V said:
Victoria: 860 new local cases, five deaths. 87 per cent of those 12+ are fully vaccinatedNSW: 165 new local cases, one death. 91.1 per cent of those 16+ are fully vaccinated
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-latest-updates/100619316
I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:So what we’re saying is that nobody knows how to fix global warming … globally.
These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
Here’s a non-sequitur:
- smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work
- poliomyelitis elimination is shit because Stan are still spreading it
- NS: COVID-19 elimination must be perfect or it isn’t possible at all¡¡¡111666166000061¡
. Or another one if you like
- we could control COVID-19 but actually Let It Rip oh shit
- we could control COVID-19 but actually The Economy Must Grow oh shit
- NS: oh look all those idiots tried so so so so so hard and they’re in shit, guess if we actually interrupt transmission it will also be shit
.
>> smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work<<
You have a very odd definition of instantly.
Jenner: 1796
1975: last case in the world, a three year old in Bangladesh.
“Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.”
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/pandemic-bill-not-perfect-but-does-improve-transparency-accountability-20211111-p5982t.html
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Victoria: 860 new local cases, five deaths. 87 per cent of those 12+ are fully vaccinatedNSW: 165 new local cases, one death. 91.1 per cent of those 16+ are fully vaccinated
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-latest-updates/100619316
I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Victoria: 860 new local cases, five deaths. 87 per cent of those 12+ are fully vaccinatedNSW: 165 new local cases, one death. 91.1 per cent of those 16+ are fully vaccinated
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-latest-updates/100619316
I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
Sorry, should have smiled…
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:These non-sequiturs of yours are a little annoying. I’m saying that until Africa (or any part of the third world) is covid free elimination elsewhere is a fool’s errand and that if the current global pandemic response is any guide it’s not getting any better.
You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
Here’s a non-sequitur:
- smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work
- poliomyelitis elimination is shit because Stan are still spreading it
- NS: COVID-19 elimination must be perfect or it isn’t possible at all¡¡¡111666166000061¡
. Or another one if you like
- we could control COVID-19 but actually Let It Rip oh shit
- we could control COVID-19 but actually The Economy Must Grow oh shit
- NS: oh look all those idiots tried so so so so so hard and they’re in shit, guess if we actually interrupt transmission it will also be shit
.
>> smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work<<
You have a very odd definition of instantly.
Jenner: 1796
1975: last case in the world, a three year old in Bangladesh.
“Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.”
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
the eradication campaign didn’t start until 1959 and wasn’t very effective. The intensified one was 1967 and that one led to the eradication. so, everything before those dates weren’t really part of eradication but more of a control. so 10 years timeframe.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Victoria: 860 new local cases, five deaths. 87 per cent of those 12+ are fully vaccinatedNSW: 165 new local cases, one death. 91.1 per cent of those 16+ are fully vaccinated
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-latest-updates/100619316
I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
surely though as long as you are told about it it doesn’t matter? I am sure if you looked stats using the same cohorts could be found.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:You brought up the matter of global warming and suddenly it’s our non-sequitur¿ And then you’re annoyed¿
Here’s a non-sequitur:
- smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work
- poliomyelitis elimination is shit because Stan are still spreading it
- NS: COVID-19 elimination must be perfect or it isn’t possible at all¡¡¡111666166000061¡
. Or another one if you like
- we could control COVID-19 but actually Let It Rip oh shit
- we could control COVID-19 but actually The Economy Must Grow oh shit
- NS: oh look all those idiots tried so so so so so hard and they’re in shit, guess if we actually interrupt transmission it will also be shit
.
>> smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work<<
You have a very odd definition of instantly.
Jenner: 1796
1975: last case in the world, a three year old in Bangladesh.
“Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.”
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
the eradication campaign didn’t start until 1959 and wasn’t very effective. The intensified one was 1967 and that one led to the eradication. so, everything before those dates weren’t really part of eradication but more of a control. so 10 years timeframe.
I’d still dispute that that fits the definition of “instantly”. We aren’t even 2 years into COVID yet, from when the thing actually came into being, let alone anything else. We have only had vaccines for a shorter time than that again.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
surely though as long as you are told about it it doesn’t matter? I am sure if you looked stats using the same cohorts could be found.
Maybe NSW isn’t doing the 12-15 year olds yet. (I know they are, why not include them?)
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:>> smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work<<
You have a very odd definition of instantly.
Jenner: 1796
1975: last case in the world, a three year old in Bangladesh.
“Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.”
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html
the eradication campaign didn’t start until 1959 and wasn’t very effective. The intensified one was 1967 and that one led to the eradication. so, everything before those dates weren’t really part of eradication but more of a control. so 10 years timeframe.
I’d still dispute that that fits the definition of “instantly”. We aren’t even 2 years into COVID yet, from when the thing actually came into being, let alone anything else. We have only had vaccines for a shorter time than that again.
seeing as “cures” for smallpox have been around since the 4th century a 10 year timespan is pretty instant.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:the eradication campaign didn’t start until 1959 and wasn’t very effective. The intensified one was 1967 and that one led to the eradication. so, everything before those dates weren’t really part of eradication but more of a control. so 10 years timeframe.
I’d still dispute that that fits the definition of “instantly”. We aren’t even 2 years into COVID yet, from when the thing actually came into being, let alone anything else. We have only had vaccines for a shorter time than that again.
seeing as “cures” for smallpox have been around since the 4th century a 10 year timespan is pretty instant.
Jacinta said she’d eradicated it and she was showered with kudos and cheers and everything.
The eradication was terrific…………………….while it lasted.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Victoria: 860 new local cases, five deaths. 87 per cent of those 12+ are fully vaccinatedNSW: 165 new local cases, one death. 91.1 per cent of those 16+ are fully vaccinated
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/covid-live-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-latest-updates/100619316
I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:I’d still dispute that that fits the definition of “instantly”. We aren’t even 2 years into COVID yet, from when the thing actually came into being, let alone anything else. We have only had vaccines for a shorter time than that again.
seeing as “cures” for smallpox have been around since the 4th century a 10 year timespan is pretty instant.
Jacinta said she’d eradicated it and she was showered with kudos and cheers and everything.
The eradication was terrific…………………….while it lasted.
“While the job is not done, there is no denying this is a milestone … Thank you, New Zealand,” Ardern told reporters.
The current vaccine booster doses being rolled out should be called the third dose in the schedule.
The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine after two doses continues longer than that of the AZ rather than the other way around as was being reported. The recommendation for a 6-month wait after the second AZ vax for a dose of Pfizer or other vaccine is likely to be shortened.
Ian said:
The current vaccine booster doses being rolled out should be called the third dose in the schedule.The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine after two doses continues longer than that of the AZ rather than the other way around as was being reported. The recommendation for a 6-month wait after the second AZ vax for a dose of Pfizer or other vaccine is likely to be shortened.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410
Ian said:
The current vaccine booster doses being rolled out should be called the third dose in the schedule.The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine after two doses continues longer than that of the AZ rather than the other way around as was being reported. The recommendation for a 6-month wait after the second AZ vax for a dose of Pfizer or other vaccine is likely to be shortened.
Needles needles needles.
Just stick them all into me and be done with it.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
The current vaccine booster doses being rolled out should be called the third dose in the schedule.The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine after two doses continues longer than that of the AZ rather than the other way around as was being reported. The recommendation for a 6-month wait after the second AZ vax for a dose of Pfizer or other vaccine is likely to be shortened.
Needles needles needles.
Just stick them all into me and be done with it.
Just a little prick
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I love the use of different cohorts there for the stats.
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx
at the end of the day these fkn around with numbers seems more like a political play, Marketing of some form or another if you like, that obscures the important issues
which are
continue to aim for full coverage
continue to aim for full coverage with a full course
despite official recommendations being weakened, interrupt airborne transmission
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
I don’t. Apples and oranges, etc.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx
at the end of the day these fkn around with numbers seems more like a political play, Marketing of some form or another if you like, that obscures the important issues
which are
continue to aim for full coverage
continue to aim for full coverage with a full course
despite official recommendations being weakened, interrupt airborne transmission
That’s amusing…you have just said what Professor Ioannidis is saying in the article I put up which you dismissed.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
- smallpox eradication occurred instantly worldwide without gradual and challenging public health work
- poliomyelitis elimination is shit because Stan are still spreading it
- NS: COVID-19 elimination must be perfect or it isn’t possible at all¡¡¡111666166000061¡
You have a very odd definition of instantly.
Jenner: 1796
1975: last case in the world, a three year old in Bangladesh.
“Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.”
the eradication campaign didn’t start until 1959 and wasn’t very effective. The intensified one was 1967 and that one led to the eradication. so, everything before those dates weren’t really part of eradication but more of a control. so 10 years timeframe.
I’d still dispute that that fits the definition of “instantly”. We aren’t even 2 years into COVID yet, from when the thing actually came into being, let alone anything else. We have only had vaccines for a shorter time than that again.
seeing as “cures” for smallpox have been around since the 4th century a 10 year timespan is pretty instant.
So it seems that semantics / Semantics / SEMANTICS aside, all the currently present are still in agreement that elimination or eradication (semantics et cetera aside) are progressive goals / targets / objectives, and therefore it is sensible to progressively eliminate or eradicate COVID-19 if indeed people would like Freedom from preventable disease and its consequences.
Fair enough¡
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx
at the end of the day these fkn around with numbers seems more like a political play, Marketing of some form or another if you like, that obscures the important issues
which are
continue to aim for full coverage
continue to aim for full coverage with a full course
despite official recommendations being weakened, interrupt airborne transmission
That’s amusing…you have just said what Professor Ioannidis is saying in the article I put up which you dismissed.
As they say, even a broken digital clock can be used as a pendulum bob and tell the height of a building.
If Professor Ioannidis has come around to the correct scientific consensus for this pandemic, then great, maybe he can recover some credibility. If ‘e is unable to acknowledge that ‘e has been wrong for most of the pandemic so far, then hey, we’re not the Chairman of h’.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
the important issues are
- continue to aim for full coverage
- continue to aim for full coverage with a full course
- despite official recommendations being weakened, interrupt airborne transmission
That’s amusing…you have just said what Professor Ioannidis is saying in the article I put up which you dismissed.
As they say, even a broken digital clock can be used as a pendulum bob and tell the height of a building.
So if you’d be so kind as to point out where your comrade there has said that is what we said here, we’d be grateful for the duration of the pandemic.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/mark-mcgowan-dismisses-claims-wa-will-open-for-perth-ashes-test/100611252
chuckle, mcgowan giving it to the masters of slime in canberra
APPROVED
i’m reserving any comment about possible spin from the broadcaster in there, but am reminded WA isn’t locked into a reopening date, but committed to reconsidering it as things go, a broader situational response, don’t want to be too much guiding by the wind sock of the lower east coast, Macquarie street and Wall street
transition said:
chuckle, mcgowan giving it to the masters of slime in canberra
APPROVED
i’m reserving any comment about possible spin from the broadcaster in there, but am reminded WA isn’t locked into a reopening date, but committed to reconsidering it as things go, a broader situational response, don’t want to be too much guiding by the wind sock of the lower east coast, Macquarie street and Wall street
we mean
“I would just urge the Commonwealth government to stop making things up.”
all seems a bit unfair, it’s not like they know how to do anything else
For your entertainment only.
Over the past 18 months, New Zealand has experienced some of the toughest lockdown restrictions in the world. And Ms Ardern brought in new legislation requiring anyone who works in border facilities, in a school, at a prison, as well as in any health or disability care setting to be fully vaccinated to be in their workplace. Extremism experts as well as New Zealand’s own terrorism intelligence group have signalled these policies are likely to increase the domestic terrorism threat.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-15/new-zealand-tough-vaccine-mandates-provoke-violence/100602078
We note the article stops short of suggesting that the increased threat is a good reason to hold back but hey, in some readings there could be a subtle hint. At face value no shit, requiring sensible action is a good way to make antiscience teachers, antimedicine healthcare workers, and antisafety police declare themselves, good.
The daily cost of a patient in hospital is around A$5,000 for an uncomplicated (non-COVID) admission. This is much more than the reported cost of a full course of molnupiravir to the US government at US$700 (about A$960). But the costs of Paxlovid, and other new COVID medicines, have not been released and may be very much higher than the hospital costs. Some medicines subsidised by the government for other conditions can cost almost A$19,000 per pack of tablets.
https://time.com/6096505/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-family/
In normal times, the ICU is a dreadful place.
Sickness lingers like a fog. You can feel it, sense it, even hear it—the machinery pumping, the alarms ringing, the nurses scrambling.
In pandemic times, the ICU is chilling. Death lives here.
Medical staff members wear green biohazard suits, face shields, latex gloves and shoe coverings. Strips of red tape—“ISOLATION,” they read—mark the windows and doors of individual rooms.
Behind each is a patient who cannot breathe on their own, kept alive by a ventilation machine that is connected to an invasive tube running down their windpipe and into the lungs. Each room is almost identical: a person, some on their stomachs and others on their backs, sedated and paralyzed, roughly a dozen patches and pipes protruding from them, blankets hiding their naked bodies.
