Why don’t children get serious COVID?
By Liam Mannix
November 23, 2021 — 5.21pm

An early and unusual discovery paved the way for research that may explain one of the pandemic’s enduring mysteries: why children are at much less risk of serious illness and death from COVID-19.

In a crisis that has killed millions, children are much less vulnerable. They are at less risk of serious illness from COVID-19 compared to adults. This has remained the case even with the rise of the Delta variant.

Of 765,320 Americans killed by COVID-19, just 605 were 17 or younger, despite this group having the lowest vaccination rates. In Australia, the virus has claimed the lives of just two people under 19.

This has come as a surprise to scientists who study childhood illnesses.

“We know children tend to be quite vulnerable to most respiratory viruses. Think about influenza. But it seems to be the opposite for COVID,” said the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute’s Dr Melanie Neeland.

Dr Neeland heads an immunity research program at the institute. Early in the pandemic, as the world was still learning about the virus, she found herself studying the immune responses of one of the first families to become infected with COVID-19 in Australia.

The case was unusual. The adults got sick, but the children – despite spending all day with their parents – never tested positive.

Indeed, this odd feature of the virus led scientists early in the pandemic to believe children were simply far less likely to get infected – something we now know is only partially true.

When her team studied the blood of the children, they found their innate immune system – a powerful but less-known part of the body’s immune weaponry – was all fired up, despite the children testing negative to the virus.

The “adaptive” immune system involves all the well-known actors, like antibodies and T cells. We hear less of the innate system, in part because less is known about it.

“It is our first line of defence against viruses. It involves a very quick, early activation of the immune system that aims to clear the virus as quickly as possible and limit the spread,” Dr Neeland said.

The system stations neutrophils and monocytes in the nose, throat, lungs and blood. These cells can spot and gobble up – Pac-Man-like – invading viruses.

In a further study of 48 children, published in Nature Communications in February this year, Dr Neeland showed that in children exposed to COVID-19, the innate system seemed to be doing a great job cleaning up the virus before it could get deep into their bodies and make them seriously sick.

This is unusual. Children have stronger innate immune systems than adults, but that does not stop them getting seriously sick from the flu. “It’s something about this particular virus,” Dr Neeland said.

What that might be is “the million-dollar question” and the subject of much research.

Children also enjoy a second advantage: they don’t suffer from ‘original antigenic sin’, said Dr Neeland.

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is not the first coronavirus to infect humans. Four coronaviruses are among the viruses that cause the common cold; they make up about 5 per cent of all acute throat infections. On average, most children will be infected with – and clear – a coronavirus infection before age 4.

Confronted with SARS-CoV-2, it seems adult immune systems accidentally produce antibodies for coronaviruses that have encountered first. Young children don’t have this issue, and produce powerful and directly-targeted antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, Dr Neeland said.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-don-t-children-get-serious-covid-20211122-p59az4.html

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why don’t children get serious COVID?
By Liam Mannix
November 23, 2021 — 5.21pm

An early and unusual discovery paved the way for research that may explain one of the pandemic’s enduring mysteries: why children are at much less risk of serious illness and death from COVID-19.

In a crisis that has killed millions, children are much less vulnerable. They are at less risk of serious illness from COVID-19 compared to adults. This has remained the case even with the rise of the Delta variant.

Of 765,320 Americans killed by COVID-19, just 605 were 17 or younger, despite this group having the lowest vaccination rates. In Australia, the virus has claimed the lives of just two people under 19.

This has come as a surprise to scientists who study childhood illnesses.

“We know children tend to be quite vulnerable to most respiratory viruses. Think about influenza. But it seems to be the opposite for COVID,” said the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute’s Dr Melanie Neeland.

Dr Neeland heads an immunity research program at the institute. Early in the pandemic, as the world was still learning about the virus, she found herself studying the immune responses of one of the first families to become infected with COVID-19 in Australia.

The case was unusual. The adults got sick, but the children – despite spending all day with their parents – never tested positive.

Indeed, this odd feature of the virus led scientists early in the pandemic to believe children were simply far less likely to get infected – something we now know is only partially true.

When her team studied the blood of the children, they found their innate immune system – a powerful but less-known part of the body’s immune weaponry – was all fired up, despite the children testing negative to the virus.

The “adaptive” immune system involves all the well-known actors, like antibodies and T cells. We hear less of the innate system, in part because less is known about it.

“It is our first line of defence against viruses. It involves a very quick, early activation of the immune system that aims to clear the virus as quickly as possible and limit the spread,” Dr Neeland said.

The system stations neutrophils and monocytes in the nose, throat, lungs and blood. These cells can spot and gobble up – Pac-Man-like – invading viruses.

In a further study of 48 children, published in Nature Communications in February this year, Dr Neeland showed that in children exposed to COVID-19, the innate system seemed to be doing a great job cleaning up the virus before it could get deep into their bodies and make them seriously sick.

This is unusual. Children have stronger innate immune systems than adults, but that does not stop them getting seriously sick from the flu. “It’s something about this particular virus,” Dr Neeland said.

What that might be is “the million-dollar question” and the subject of much research.

Children also enjoy a second advantage: they don’t suffer from ‘original antigenic sin’, said Dr Neeland.

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is not the first coronavirus to infect humans. Four coronaviruses are among the viruses that cause the common cold; they make up about 5 per cent of all acute throat infections. On average, most children will be infected with – and clear – a coronavirus infection before age 4.

Confronted with SARS-CoV-2, it seems adult immune systems accidentally produce antibodies for coronaviruses that have encountered first. Young children don’t have this issue, and produce powerful and directly-targeted antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, Dr Neeland said.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-don-t-children-get-serious-covid-20211122-p59az4.html

Interesting

Yesterday’s Qld figures:

How’s Covid going, worldwide?
Now that I’ve stopped spreading the delta strain through country victoria.

Number of cases is bad, very bad

But number of deaths is just about stable.

Eastern Europe is copping the highest death rate – again – for the third time. Worst place in the world for Covid.

Number of vaccinations. New vaccines per day still at a high level.

Australia moving slowly upwards therough the table of vaccinations.

There is some really odd maths being applied to this outbreak in Hamilton. The updated active cases for the 3300 postcode yesterday (they update at midday, so soon we will have the new figure), only had 7 active cases. So if, as it says in this piece, there were another 8 found yesterday, I’ve never noticed 7+8 to be 26. From the gossip around, it seems some rapid testing has been going on, but you don’t make the stats on that, you have to be positive on a full test.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/hamilton-country-music-covid-cluster-grows/100645668

buffy said:

There is some really odd maths being applied to this outbreak in Hamilton. The updated active cases for the 3300 postcode yesterday (they update at midday, so soon we will have the new figure), only had 7 active cases. So if, as it says in this piece, there were another 8 found yesterday, I’ve never noticed 7+8 to be 26. From the gossip around, it seems some rapid testing has been going on, but you don’t make the stats on that, you have to be positive on a full test.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/hamilton-country-music-covid-cluster-grows/100645668

Possibly some of the people that were at the festival are now in their own postcode testing positive?

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

There is some really odd maths being applied to this outbreak in Hamilton. The updated active cases for the 3300 postcode yesterday (they update at midday, so soon we will have the new figure), only had 7 active cases. So if, as it says in this piece, there were another 8 found yesterday, I’ve never noticed 7+8 to be 26. From the gossip around, it seems some rapid testing has been going on, but you don’t make the stats on that, you have to be positive on a full test.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/hamilton-country-music-covid-cluster-grows/100645668

Possibly some of the people that were at the festival are now in their own postcode testing positive?

Yeah, could be that, but how would the ABC know that? It’s also puzzling, as I mentioned last night, that the Tier 1 site listed is the Caledonian Hotel, but the concert was at the Golf Club. I’m confused. The golf club isn’t even on the “other high risk venues” list.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

There is some really odd maths being applied to this outbreak in Hamilton. The updated active cases for the 3300 postcode yesterday (they update at midday, so soon we will have the new figure), only had 7 active cases. So if, as it says in this piece, there were another 8 found yesterday, I’ve never noticed 7+8 to be 26. From the gossip around, it seems some rapid testing has been going on, but you don’t make the stats on that, you have to be positive on a full test.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/hamilton-country-music-covid-cluster-grows/100645668

Possibly some of the people that were at the festival are now in their own postcode testing positive?

Yeah, could be that, but how would the ABC know that? It’s also puzzling, as I mentioned last night, that the Tier 1 site listed is the Caledonian Hotel, but the concert was at the Golf Club. I’m confused. The golf club isn’t even on the “other high risk venues” list.

Reporting isn’t known for its accuracy these days, the reported probably just bundled person at pub and festival together.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Possibly some of the people that were at the festival are now in their own postcode testing positive?

Yeah, could be that, but how would the ABC know that? It’s also puzzling, as I mentioned last night, that the Tier 1 site listed is the Caledonian Hotel, but the concert was at the Golf Club. I’m confused. The golf club isn’t even on the “other high risk venues” list.

Reporting isn’t known for its accuracy these days, the reported probably just bundled person at pub and festival together.

They are causing problems for the people who ran the festival. Who are being blamed. Some clear thinking is required.

Seven doctors contract Covid after attending Florida anti-vaccine summit

Doctors tested positive or developed symptoms ‘within days’ of conference at which alternative treatments were discussed

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/23/florida-doctors-covid-coronavirus-bruce-boros

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Yeah, could be that, but how would the ABC know that? It’s also puzzling, as I mentioned last night, that the Tier 1 site listed is the Caledonian Hotel, but the concert was at the Golf Club. I’m confused. The golf club isn’t even on the “other high risk venues” list.

Reporting isn’t known for its accuracy these days, the reported probably just bundled person at pub and festival together.

They are causing problems for the people who ran the festival. Who are being blamed. Some clear thinking is required.

Sure, but the reporter can’t be held accountable for any of that, so, no fucks given.

ABC News:

‘George Christensen likens COVID-19 restrictions to Hitler, Pol Pot regimes
By political reporter Matthew Doran
Outspoken Coalition backbencher George Christensen has used a speech in federal parliament to liken state and territory COVID-19 restrictions to the despotic regimes of Nazi Germany and Cambodia, calling for civil disobedience as a response.’‘

I work with a Khmer lady, whose family fled from the Khmer Rouge regime. I’m tempted to show her this to see what she has to say about George.

And there was a bit on another website the other day, about a Brit in a queue about vaccination proof, whinging about ‘vaccinations and rules, it’s just like Nazi Germany!’.

A very old man a few places back in the queue said, in a heavily accented voice ‘i can assure you, my friend, it’s nothing like Nazi Germany’.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘George Christensen likens COVID-19 restrictions to Hitler, Pol Pot regimes
By political reporter Matthew Doran
Outspoken Coalition backbencher George Christensen has used a speech in federal parliament to liken state and territory COVID-19 restrictions to the despotic regimes of Nazi Germany and Cambodia, calling for civil disobedience as a response.’‘

I work with a Khmer lady, whose family fled from the Khmer Rouge regime. I’m tempted to show her this to see what she has to say about George.

And there was a bit on another website the other day, about a Brit in a queue about vaccination proof, whinging about ‘vaccinations and rules, it’s just like Nazi Germany!’.

A very old man a few places back in the queue said, in a heavily accented voice ‘i can assure you, my friend, it’s nothing like Nazi Germany’.

Margaret thinks it more like Braveheart. No. your father did not fight for this.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘George Christensen likens COVID-19 restrictions to Hitler, Pol Pot regimes
By political reporter Matthew Doran
Outspoken Coalition backbencher George Christensen has used a speech in federal parliament to liken state and territory COVID-19 restrictions to the despotic regimes of Nazi Germany and Cambodia, calling for civil disobedience as a response.’‘

I work with a Khmer lady, whose family fled from the Khmer Rouge regime. I’m tempted to show her this to see what she has to say about George.

And there was a bit on another website the other day, about a Brit in a queue about vaccination proof, whinging about ‘vaccinations and rules, it’s just like Nazi Germany!’.

A very old man a few places back in the queue said, in a heavily accented voice ‘i can assure you, my friend, it’s nothing like Nazi Germany’.

Someone should tell George that pandemics have nothing to do with dictatorships.

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘George Christensen likens COVID-19 restrictions to Hitler, Pol Pot regimes
By political reporter Matthew Doran
Outspoken Coalition backbencher George Christensen has used a speech in federal parliament to liken state and territory COVID-19 restrictions to the despotic regimes of Nazi Germany and Cambodia, calling for civil disobedience as a response.’‘

I work with a Khmer lady, whose family fled from the Khmer Rouge regime. I’m tempted to show her this to see what she has to say about George.

And there was a bit on another website the other day, about a Brit in a queue about vaccination proof, whinging about ‘vaccinations and rules, it’s just like Nazi Germany!’.

A very old man a few places back in the queue said, in a heavily accented voice ‘i can assure you, my friend, it’s nothing like Nazi Germany’.

Someone should tell George that pandemics have nothing to do with dictatorships.

George should visit a COVID ward.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-surprise-the-young-and-poor-most-likely-to-get-a-covid-fine-20211111-p5985s.html

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/no-surprise-the-young-and-poor-most-likely-to-get-a-covid-fine-20211111-p5985s.html

Don’t worry soon* they’ll be the same ones most likely to get a COVID-19 infection and die as well,

*: now

and we know you’re all pleased to know that we’re back¡

More to come.

SCIENCE said:

and we know you’re all pleased to know that we’re back¡

More to come.

Don’t worry, unlike others, we reserve our personal attacks for the so-called “experts” we’ll be quoting from shortly¡

But first, this https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.04060 should explain why we come here kicking and screaming, it’s good for the flock immunity¡

The Impact of Vocalization Loudness on COVID-19 Transmission in Indoor Spaces

a 6-decibel reduction in average vocalization intensity yields a reduction in aerosol transmission probability equivalent to doubling the room ventilation rate. The results suggest that public health authorities should consider implementing “quiet zones” in high-risk indoor environments, such as hospital waiting rooms or dining facilities, to mitigate transmission

mollwollfumble said:

How’s Covid going, worldwide?
Now that I’ve stopped spreading the delta strain through country victoria.

Number of cases is bad, very bad

What bad¿ Looks like we’ve reached Flock Immunity® and a nice pretty Endemic™ steady state¡

Divine Angel said:

Tamb said:

Today’s Qld figures:

Zero cases won’t last too much longer 🥺

We Mean Laugh Out Loud Look At This Foolish So-Called Epidemiologist Right Here

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poikilotherm said:

Well, the Netherlands have had fun with the lack of Covid restrictions.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/nieuwe-berekeningen-code-zwart-in-ziekenhuizen-is-bijna-niet-meer-te-ontlopen~af54fecb/

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

De zorg stevent rechtstreeks af op code zwart, wat betekent dat straks patiënten die nog maar een kleine kans hebben op overleving niet meer op de ic terecht kunnen. Alleen als de groei van het aantal besmettingen ineens stagneert, ‘scheren we langs de rand van een compleet zorginfarct’.

Maar dat is niet de verwachting, stelt infectieziekten-modelleur Marino van Zelst van de universiteit in Wageningen. Hij heeft zich de afgelopen anderhalf jaar bewezen als een goede voorspeller van de gevolgen van de coronapandemie voor de ziekenhuizen.

,,Het probleem is dat de kliniek helemaal volstroomt nu’’, zegt Van Zelst, die heeft berekend dat over anderhalve week in de ziekenhuizen tussen de 2800 en 3500 mensen zullen liggen met corona. Bij eerdere pieken lagen er maximaal tussen de 2690 (april 2020) en 3068 (december 2020) patiënten in de ziekenhuizen.

Complicerende factor: ,,De ziekenhuiscapaciteit is veel lager op dit moment.’’ Dat komt omdat de ziekenhuizen enorm veel last hebben van uitval van eigen personeel: het ziekteverzuim is boven de 10 procent. Ook is er personeel vertrokken.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

oh sorry not funny just fun

at least their economy grew

furious said:

Because you need to have clinical trials before a vaccine is approved? Not sure on the ethics of infecting a group of people with a disease to prove it reduces the chance of reinfection…

Quitter Talk

Oh Wait

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-59104738

one of thousands of NHS staff who have either left the profession or changed roles this year

Yeah, that’s them, quitters.

So-called “healthcare workers”, “experts”, pftf¡

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SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-19/austria-to-enter-national-lockdown-make-vaccines-mandatory/100636348

Austria will enter a full national lockdown and make vaccines mandatory by February next year after setting a daily record of new COVID-19 case numbers.

FREEDOM®¡

SCIENCE said:

Austria will enter a full national lockdown and make vaccines mandatory by February next year after setting a daily record of new COVID-19 case numbers.

FREEDOM®¡

That’s all right at least your favourite punching bag is throwing it all open, apparently islands in the Pacific Ocean with reportedly democratic political systems can’t prevent disease¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-22/new-zealand-to-scrap-lockdowns-next-month-vaccines-covid-zero/100640984

“The hard truth is that Delta is here and not going away,” she said. “While no country has been able to eliminate Delta completely, New Zealand is better positioned than most to tackle it.”

Auckland is currently sealed off from the rest of New Zealand, with roadblocks due to be removed on December 15. Stringent quarantine rules for international arrivals will remain in place but Ms Ardern has committed to easing them early next year.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘George Christensen likens COVID-19 restrictions to Hitler, Pol Pot regimes
By political reporter Matthew Doran
Outspoken Coalition backbencher George Christensen has used a speech in federal parliament to liken state and territory COVID-19 restrictions to the despotic regimes of Nazi Germany and Cambodia, calling for civil disobedience as a response.’‘

I work with a Khmer lady, whose family fled from the Khmer Rouge regime. I’m tempted to show her this to see what she has to say about George.

And there was a bit on another website the other day, about a Brit in a queue about vaccination proof, whinging about ‘vaccinations and rules, it’s just like Nazi Germany!’.

A very old man a few places back in the queue said, in a heavily accented voice ‘i can assure you, my friend, it’s nothing like Nazi Germany’.

There is however, a very bad smell in the room and it seems to be coming from George Christensen.

SCIENCE said:

That’s all right at least your favourite punching bag is throwing it all open, apparently islands in the Pacific Ocean with reportedly democratic political systems can’t prevent disease¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-22/new-zealand-to-scrap-lockdowns-next-month-vaccines-covid-zero/100640984

“The hard truth is that Delta is here and not going away,” she said. “While no country has been able to eliminate Delta completely, New Zealand is better positioned than most to tackle it.”

Oh wait, what was … wait, what … ¿

Japan

at least they used the quotation marks even if they were a week late
Japan’s success in smashing its latest wave of COVID has ‘puzzled’ health experts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-29/how-japan-smashed-the-covid-19-curve/100558404
from Your ABC who else

Mainland Taiwan

Check Out How This Mainland Taiwan Failure To Live With COVID-19 Has Ended Up

Fkn Communists, No Pacific Island Democracy Could Do That

New Zealand

Genius¡

SCIENCE said:

Oh wait, what was … wait, what … ¿

Japan

at least they used the quotation marks even if they were a week late
Japan’s success in smashing its latest wave of COVID has ‘puzzled’ health experts
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-29/how-japan-smashed-the-covid-19-curve/100558404
from Your ABC who else

a so-called “doctor”, supposedly some expert

post that again in 漢字 you traitor

⚠ this post may contain sarcasm

this so-called MD thinks that COVID-19 is a top-10 cause of death

but we all know that they were going to die anyway, they all had preexisting conditions

⚠ this post may contain sarcasm

this alarmist claims to be a GP but we all know that you can’t have died from or even with COVID-19 if you are still alive to claim it disabled you

SCIENCE said:

speaking of long-term vaccine effects, good news

You Might Stay Alive, So You Have To Suffer Longer With Other Chronic Diseases

Also, You All Laughed At Fidel But Look Who Gets To Raul In It Now

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03470-x

SCIENCE said:

speaking of long-term vaccine effects

these so-called experts again, what would they know

Meanwhile, For many it’s a staple of a BBQ but in Cyprus right now they have halloumi stockpiled in the millions of kilograms as the pandemic impacts exports badly.

SCIENCE said:

you can’t have died from or even with COVID-19 if you are still alive to claim it disabled you

we already know that Victorians are all just a bunch of dirty whingers

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/surge-in-victorians-seeking-treatment-for-debilitating-long-covid-20211118-p59a1g.html

Hundreds of Victorians are seeking treatment for strange and debilitating symptoms lingering many months after their COVID-19 diagnosis, including some whose ailments are so severe they are struggling to return to work. Head of respiratory medicine research at The Alfred hospital in Melbourne, Professor Anne Holland, said the hospital’s post-COVID follow-up clinic was supporting a rising number of people infected in the latest Delta outbreak, some of whom were having to cut back their working hours, or were finding it difficult to return to their studies.

roughbarked said:

Meanwhile, For many it’s a staple of a BBQ but in Cyprus right now they have halloumi stockpiled in the millions of kilograms as the pandemic impacts exports badly.

often a bit too salty for our liking to be honest but therefore good after a decent perspirational gym session

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Meanwhile, For many it’s a staple of a BBQ but in Cyprus right now they have halloumi stockpiled in the millions of kilograms as the pandemic impacts exports badly.

often a bit too salty for our liking to be honest but therefore good after a decent perspirational gym session

I’ve never purchased any.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

speaking of long-term vaccine effects

these so-called experts again, what would they know

clearly nothing

but conspiracy, what you all know and love

…
Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

speaking of requiring evidence, good news

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

speaking of long-term vaccine effects

but conspiracy, what you all know and love

here, at least y’all probably buy into these more than those so-called “expert” claims

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

you can’t have died from or even with COVID-19 if you are still alive to claim it disabled you

we already know that Victorians are all just a bunch of dirty whingers

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/surge-in-victorians-seeking-treatment-for-debilitating-long-covid-20211118-p59a1g.html

Hundreds of Victorians are seeking treatment for strange and debilitating symptoms lingering many months after their COVID-19 diagnosis, including some whose ailments are so severe they are struggling to return to work. Head of respiratory medicine research at The Alfred hospital in Melbourne, Professor Anne Holland, said the hospital’s post-COVID follow-up clinic was supporting a rising number of people infected in the latest Delta outbreak, some of whom were having to cut back their working hours, or were finding it difficult to return to their studies.

read that page

not sure about the use of the use of the word strange in there, what exactly it is meant to elicit, perhaps it is to excite interest in the reader, even appeal to ignorance in the reader, appeal to a persisting ignorance in many, the momentum of ignorance, the force of ignorance

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

you can’t have died from or even with COVID-19 if you are still alive to claim it disabled you

we already know that Victorians are all just a bunch of dirty whingers

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/surge-in-victorians-seeking-treatment-for-debilitating-long-covid-20211118-p59a1g.html

Hundreds of Victorians are seeking treatment for strange and debilitating symptoms lingering many months after their COVID-19 diagnosis, including some whose ailments are so severe they are struggling to return to work. Head of respiratory medicine research at The Alfred hospital in Melbourne, Professor Anne Holland, said the hospital’s post-COVID follow-up clinic was supporting a rising number of people infected in the latest Delta outbreak, some of whom were having to cut back their working hours, or were finding it difficult to return to their studies.

read that page

not sure about the use of the use of the word strange in there, what exactly it is meant to elicit, perhaps it is to excite interest in the reader, even appeal to ignorance in the reader, appeal to a persisting ignorance in many, the momentum of ignorance, the force of ignorance

it could also have the effect of eliciting contempt for unknowns, and subjective experience, which would be an interesting thing to do of equilibrium mental states, what maintains and sustains them, neat little device for rendering the external environment the determiner of reality

transition said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

we already know that Victorians are all just a bunch of dirty whingers

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/surge-in-victorians-seeking-treatment-for-debilitating-long-covid-20211118-p59a1g.html

Hundreds of Victorians are seeking treatment for strange and debilitating symptoms lingering many months after their COVID-19 diagnosis, including some whose ailments are so severe they are struggling to return to work. Head of respiratory medicine research at The Alfred hospital in Melbourne, Professor Anne Holland, said the hospital’s post-COVID follow-up clinic was supporting a rising number of people infected in the latest Delta outbreak, some of whom were having to cut back their working hours, or were finding it difficult to return to their studies.

read that page

not sure about the use of the use of the word strange in there, what exactly it is meant to elicit, perhaps it is to excite interest in the reader, even appeal to ignorance in the reader, appeal to a persisting ignorance in many, the momentum of ignorance, the force of ignorance

it could also have the effect of eliciting contempt for unknowns, and subjective experience, which would be an interesting thing to do of equilibrium mental states, what maintains and sustains them, neat little device for rendering the external environment the determiner of reality

That’s a strange reaction to the word strange, which is not very strange.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

transition said:

read that page

not sure about the use of the use of the word strange in there, what exactly it is meant to elicit, perhaps it is to excite interest in the reader, even appeal to ignorance in the reader, appeal to a persisting ignorance in many, the momentum of ignorance, the force of ignorance

it could also have the effect of eliciting contempt for unknowns, and subjective experience, which would be an interesting thing to do of equilibrium mental states, what maintains and sustains them, neat little device for rendering the external environment the determiner of reality

That’s a strange reaction to the word strange, which is not very strange.

that’s if you’ve ever thought too much about it, presumably you have a swift stereotype concept you apply when using the word

not sure it would qualify as developing working concept, you might demonstrate otherwise, show me your work later

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/covid-exposure-warning-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/covid-exposure-warning-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140

Prolly a good reason to avoid going indoors to eat out?

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/covid-exposure-warning-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140

Prolly a good reason to avoid going indoors to eat out?

don’t eat the salmon mousse.

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/covid-exposure-warning-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140

that way artfully weaved with ABC magical delivery, not peculiar to the ABC, the theme isn’t

transition said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/covid-exposure-warning-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140

that way artfully weaved with ABC magical delivery, not peculiar to the ABC, the theme isn’t

was not way, artfully weaved

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/nt-covid-outbreak-michael-gunner-conspiracy-theorists-speech/100650132

poikilotherm said:

Morning, cloudy and ready to rain, again, in the Styx.

Speaking of blown head gaskets…

Agree, at the person and all that, all those “tHe pAnDeMiC Is oVeR We’lL NeVeR NeEd aNoThEr lOcKdOwN” jokers are having head explosions right now¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/europe-covid-epicentre-booster-coronavirus-vaccines/100648704

apparently cooking up some fun down south

World Health Organization Europe director Dr. Hans Kluge says vaccines alone will not be enough to protect the continent from a new wave of coronavirus cases this winter.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/11/23/who-hans-kluge-europe-covid.cnn/video/playlists/amanpour/

—

Remember when life was good and CHINA was bad and all you needed was people

• wearing mask
• getting vaccinated
• taking booster
• ventilating indoors
• using new clinical protocols

and then transmission would be interrupted and preventable infectious disease could be wiped out¿

Oh wait it would still work¡

I reckon the reason hospitals are secretly inconvenient to those advocating variously for endemic covid, is that the measure of what qualifies as pandemic can be got from how hospitals deal with covid, preventing covid transmission into, across or out of hospitals, I mean it can never be accepted as endemic in a hospital setting

so I think hospitals in a way (and medical professionals) are somewhat an enemy of those for a policy of endemic covid

the ultimate measure of whether you’re in a pandemic can be seen in how hospitals and medical staff deal with not just known infection, but also unknown infection possibilities, the possibility of, possibility of transmission

so yeah, I think anyone that says the pandemic is over (by a policy of endemic covid), just look to what is required in a hospital setting, might yield something nearer the reality

and how far into the future will hospitals be doing this, for the foreseeable future I guess

if anyone can give me a convincing argument the human world isn’t being committed to an indefinite and perhaps perpetual covid pandemic as things are traveling at the moment, enlighten me

COVID-19 variant described as ‘worst one yet’ emerges in South Africa, prompting UK to ban travel from six countries.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said the variant, called B.1.1.529, had a spike protein that was dramatically different to the original coronavirus variant the vaccines were based on.

It said it had mutations that were likely to evade the immune response generated both by prior COVID-19 infection and vaccination.

It also had mutations associated with increased infectivity, the UKHSA said.

Officials characterised the variant, which has double the number of mutations as the currently dominant Delta variant, as the “worst one yet”.

“What we do know is there’s a significant number of mutations, perhaps double the number of mutations that we have seen in the Delta variant,” Britain’s Health Minister Sajid Javid said.

“And that would suggest that it may well be more transmissible and the current vaccines that we have may well be less effective.”

Britain announced today it was temporarily banning flights from South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho and Eswatini.

British travellers returning from those destinations would have to quarantine, it said.
more.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-26/africa-travel-restrictions-imposed-over-new-covid-19/100652438

roughbarked said:

COVID-19 variant described as ‘worst one yet’ emerges in South Africa, prompting UK to ban travel from six countries.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said the variant, called B.1.1.529, had a spike protein that was dramatically different to the original coronavirus variant the vaccines were based on.

It said it had mutations that were likely to evade the immune response generated both by prior COVID-19 infection and vaccination.

It also had mutations associated with increased infectivity, the UKHSA said.

Officials characterised the variant, which has double the number of mutations as the currently dominant Delta variant, as the “worst one yet”.

“What we do know is there’s a significant number of mutations, perhaps double the number of mutations that we have seen in the Delta variant,” Britain’s Health Minister Sajid Javid said.

“And that would suggest that it may well be more transmissible and the current vaccines that we have may well be less effective.”

Britain announced today it was temporarily banning flights from South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho and Eswatini.

British travellers returning from those destinations would have to quarantine, it said.
more.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-26/africa-travel-restrictions-imposed-over-new-covid-19/100652438

She’ll be right.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

COVID-19 variant described as ‘worst one yet’ emerges in South Africa, prompting UK to ban travel from six countries.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said the variant, called B.1.1.529, had a spike protein that was dramatically different to the original coronavirus variant the vaccines were based on.

It said it had mutations that were likely to evade the immune response generated both by prior COVID-19 infection and vaccination.

It also had mutations associated with increased infectivity, the UKHSA said.

Officials characterised the variant, which has double the number of mutations as the currently dominant Delta variant, as the “worst one yet”.

“What we do know is there’s a significant number of mutations, perhaps double the number of mutations that we have seen in the Delta variant,” Britain’s Health Minister Sajid Javid said.

“And that would suggest that it may well be more transmissible and the current vaccines that we have may well be less effective.”

Britain announced today it was temporarily banning flights from South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho and Eswatini.

British travellers returning from those destinations would have to quarantine, it said.
more.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-26/africa-travel-restrictions-imposed-over-new-covid-19/100652438

She’ll be right.

It’s only nature.

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

COVID-19 variant described as ‘worst one yet’ emerges in South Africa, prompting UK to ban travel from six countries.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-26/africa-travel-restrictions-imposed-over-new-covid-19/100652438

She’ll be right.

It’s only nature.

shake off this mortal coil

Social Democrats (SPD), Greens and Free Democrats (FDP), had set itself 10 days to decide if further restrictions were needed.

Some, including many of Ms Merkel’s conservative allies, say they should act more quickly.

imagine conservatives crying out for restrictions

SCIENCE said:

bq. Social Democrats (SPD), Greens and Free Democrats (FDP), had set itself 10 days to decide if further restrictions were needed.

Some, including many of Ms Merkel’s conservative allies, say they should act more quickly.

imagine conservatives crying out for restrictions

Conservatives wanting restrictions?

You must be kidding.

I thought conservatives wanted freedoms.

lol

South Australia has recorded another two new cases of COVID-19 — a man and a woman in their 20s who both acquired their infection interstate.

Seven people with active COVID-19 infections have arrived in SA since the state opened its borders to New South Wales, Victoria and the ACT on Tuesday.

Oh bloody lovely. :(

What do we know about the new ‘worst ever’ Covid variant? UK places South Africa on red travel list over B.1.1.529 variant picked up by scientists in country

The total number of people in Australia who have been infected with Covid passed 200,000 on 22 Nov 2021.

So we’re heading for 1% of the total Australian population.

Deaths 1,985

New vaccination doses are on the way down now.

>>The total number of people in Australia who have been infected with Covid passed 200,000 on 22 Nov 2021.<<

Probably more correctly “The total number of people in Australia who have tested positive for Covid passed 200,000 on 22 Nov 2021” would be more accurate. The simply has to be quite a lot who didn’t go for testing for one reason or another.

Spiny Norman said:

Oh bloody lovely. :(

What do we know about the new ‘worst ever’ Covid variant? UK places South Africa on red travel list over B.1.1.529 variant picked up by scientists in country

No matter what illnesses plague the world, you can count on something worse coming out of Africa.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Oh bloody lovely. :(

What do we know about the new ‘worst ever’ Covid variant? UK places South Africa on red travel list over B.1.1.529 variant picked up by scientists in country

No matter what illnesses plague the world, you can count on something worse coming out of Africa.

I would have said Canberra, but I can work with that.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Oh bloody lovely. :(

What do we know about the new ‘worst ever’ Covid variant? UK places South Africa on red travel list over B.1.1.529 variant picked up by scientists in country

No matter what illnesses plague the world, you can count on something worse coming out of Africa.

A month before this variant appeared, South Africa had caught the Peru strain. So I don’t know yet whether this is based on the Peru strain or the India/Nepal strain.

I hadn’t looked at the weekly trends for a while. Some of the European numbers are a bit confronting.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

Oh, and apparently a couple of weeks ago the Swedes decided that you don’t need to get tested, even with symptoms, if you are double vaxxed. This will affect the published numbers of cases. But it shouldn’t affect the deaths reported from COVID. Could be interesting.

(I think I read the news items correctly on that not getting tested thing)

Oh, hang on, they changed it again a couple of days ago.

https://www.thelocal.se/20211101/who-still-has-to-get-tested-for-covid-19-in-sweden/

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

I noticed and didn’t click on it.

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

Didn’t read the link, but just checked deaths/head for Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark, and Sweden was ahead by several kilometres.

If by “neighbours” they mean the Eastern European countries south of Denmark, then yes, many of those have much higher rates than Sweden.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

For some reason Murdoch allows news.com.au to be very middle of the road. Though of course any old website will be latched onto by Buffy to promote the idea that the Swedes do it better.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

But, but, I thought you approved of reading that stuff?

Who is going to read it for us now?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

For some reason Murdoch allows news.com.au to be very middle of the road. Though of course any old website will be latched onto by Buffy to promote the idea that the Swedes do it better.

They do?

Can’t say I’ve noticed.

Not that I’m exactly an expert on their content.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

Didn’t read the link, but just checked deaths/head for Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark, and Sweden was ahead by several kilometres.

If by “neighbours” they mean the Eastern European countries south of Denmark, then yes, many of those have much higher rates than Sweden.

They do. They do not seem to be happy about being always only compared with their immediate neighbours, which they say are richer countries than they are and have less diversity and not so many poor people. Or something like that.

They are presently number 55 on the deaths per million listing on worldometers, with a great many European countries above them.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

For some reason Murdoch allows news.com.au to be very middle of the road. Though of course any old website will be latched onto by Buffy to promote the idea that the Swedes do it better.

The Swedes are doing the experiment. They are as useful as NZ in that they are the opposite end (although not exactly) in terms of reaction to the pandemic. As I said way back at the beginning…only time will tell who comes out least damaged from this whole thing.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Without comment…

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/figures-show-sweden-suffered-fewer-deaths-than-neighbours-despite-antilockdown-stance/news-story/3f65e841e8b56d12b44f6f8eb61d8cab

Didn’t read the link, but just checked deaths/head for Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark, and Sweden was ahead by several kilometres.

If by “neighbours” they mean the Eastern European countries south of Denmark, then yes, many of those have much higher rates than Sweden.

They do. They do not seem to be happy about being always only compared with their immediate neighbours, which they say are richer countries than they are and have less diversity and not so many poor people. Or something like that.

They are presently number 55 on the deaths per million listing on worldometers, with a great many European countries above them.

I’m a little sceptical that Sweden is socially closer to Bosnia and Bulgaria than it is to Norway or Denmark.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Didn’t read the link, but just checked deaths/head for Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark, and Sweden was ahead by several kilometres.

If by “neighbours” they mean the Eastern European countries south of Denmark, then yes, many of those have much higher rates than Sweden.

They do. They do not seem to be happy about being always only compared with their immediate neighbours, which they say are richer countries than they are and have less diversity and not so many poor people. Or something like that.

They are presently number 55 on the deaths per million listing on worldometers, with a great many European countries above them.

I’m a little sceptical that Sweden is socially closer to Bosnia and Bulgaria than it is to Norway or Denmark.

Why did you pick those two? Why not, say, Switzerland, France, Germany.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

They do. They do not seem to be happy about being always only compared with their immediate neighbours, which they say are richer countries than they are and have less diversity and not so many poor people. Or something like that.

They are presently number 55 on the deaths per million listing on worldometers, with a great many European countries above them.

I’m a little sceptical that Sweden is socially closer to Bosnia and Bulgaria than it is to Norway or Denmark.

Why did you pick those two? Why not, say, Switzerland, France, Germany.

Because they have the highest deaths/head in Europe.

No-one is saying that the death rate in Sweden is exceptionally high for Europe, just that it is much worse than its immediate neighbours, who are very similar to them in terms of location and society in general.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

For some reason Murdoch allows news.com.au to be very middle of the road. Though of course any old website will be latched onto by Buffy to promote the idea that the Swedes do it better.

They do?

Can’t say I’ve noticed.

Not that I’m exactly an expert on their content.

imagine if there was a way for extremist grooms to exploit the tyranny of small decisions to radicalise casual observers

mollwollfumble said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Oh bloody lovely. :(

What do we know about the new ‘worst ever’ Covid variant? UK places South Africa on red travel list over B.1.1.529 variant picked up by scientists in country

No matter what illnesses plague the world, you can count on something worse coming out of Africa.

A month before this variant appeared, South Africa had caught the Peru strain. So I don’t know yet whether this is based on the Peru strain or the India/Nepal strain.

Here, go your hardest.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03552-w

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-two-sars-cov-2-variants-one-in-botswana-b-1-1529-and-one-in-the-us-b-1-628/

https://github.com/cov-lineages/pango-designation/issues/343

https://nextstrain.org/fetch/genome.ucsc.edu/trash/ct/subtreeAuspice1_genome_17ae0_cf96f0.json

SCIENCE said:

South Australia has recorded another two new cases of COVID-19 — a man and a woman in their 20s who both acquired their infection interstate.

Seven people with active COVID-19 infections have arrived in SA since the state opened its borders to New South Wales, Victoria and the ACT on Tuesday.

known ones, ignore the sweet ignorance pretense of naivety, it’s a device that hypnotizes people

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I just twigged in time and realised that was a link to a verboten Murdock outlet.
So that was lucky, it only takes a little bit of exposure to be indoctrinated, apparently.

For some reason Murdoch allows news.com.au to be very middle of the road. Though of course any old website will be latched onto by Buffy to promote the idea that the Swedes do it better.

The Swedes are doing the experiment. They are as useful as NZ in that they are the opposite end (although not exactly) in terms of reaction to the pandemic. As I said way back at the beginning…only time will tell who comes out least damaged from this whole thing.

Yes it’s not over yet. I will persist in the argument though that the best comparison for Sweden is the other Nordic countries. We have to compare like for like: for example do we say Victoria had a relatively good pandemic because we have half the deaths of Denmark or a bad pandemic because we had twice the deaths of NSW?

mollwollfumble said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

Oh bloody lovely. :(

What do we know about the new ‘worst ever’ Covid variant? UK places South Africa on red travel list over B.1.1.529 variant picked up by scientists in country

No matter what illnesses plague the world, you can count on something worse coming out of Africa.

A month before this variant appeared, South Africa had caught the Peru strain. So I don’t know yet whether this is based on the Peru strain or the India/Nepal strain.

Have you got a ref that South Africa got a Peruvian strain?

well in the fullness of time everyone will be dead there is that

SCIENCE said:

well in the fullness of time everyone will be dead there is that

welcome the perpetual pandemic, so much invested in it, it’s been incorporated, large system scale dependencies

TRD posted this earlier today..

I’d like to see them widely adopted for those who suffer from dropped mask syndrome.

Potato clamp old tech potato storage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e85iYFJJuXo

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

well in the fullness of time everyone will be dead there is that

welcome the perpetual pandemic, so much invested in it, it’s been incorporated, large system scale dependencies

ahahahahahahahahaha

New Coronavirus Variant a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa
By Prinesha Naidoo and S’thembile Cele
25 November 2021, 22:00 GMT+11 Updated on 26 November 2021, 07:01 GMT+11

Scientists in South Africa are studying a recently identified new coronavirus variant of concern, stoking fears the country may face a potentially severe fourth wave that could spread internationally.

The new discovery, called B.1.1.529 until a Greek letter is assigned to it by the World Health Organization, carries an unusually large number of mutations and is “clearly very different” from previous incarnations, Tulio de Oliveira, a bio-informatics professor who runs gene-sequencing institutions at two South African universities, said at a briefing on Thursday.

“Here is a mutation variant of serious concern,” Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at the same media event. “We were hopeful that we might have a longer break in between waves — possibly that it would hold off to late December or even next year January.”

Virologists have detected almost 100 cases linked to the variant in the country to date, said Anne von Gottberg, clinical microbiologist & head of respiratory diseases at the National Institute for Communicable Diseases. World Health Organization officials have met to discuss the virus, which has also been detected in Botswana, according to a separate statement.

In Botswana — a neighbor of South Africa — the new variant has been detected in vaccinated people, Kereng Masupu, coordinator of the Presidential Covid-19 Task Force, said in statement.

B.1.1.529 is likely to have evolved during a chronic infection of an immuno-compromised person, possibly in an untreated HIV/AIDS patient, said Francois Balloux, director of the UCL Genetics Institute. With 8.2 million people infected with HIV, the most in the world, South Africa’s efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic has been complicated, as immuno-compromised people can harbor the virus for longer, scientists say. De Oliveira has previously said that the Beta variant, a mutation identified last year in South Africa, may have come from an HIV-infected person.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-25/who-meets-on-new-covid-19-variant-circulating-in-south-africa?

https://www.channel4.com/news/long-covid-sick-and-suffering-face-long-wait-for-help

New COVID variant’s arrival in Hong Kong sows Asiawide concern
Singapore bans entry from 7 African states; India orders ‘rigorous screening’

HONG KONG — Hong Kong has detected two cases of the new “unusual” COVID-19 variant that is raising alarm worldwide, just as the city prepares to resume quarantine-free travel with mainland China.

The B.1.1.529 strain was found in two passengers quarantining at the Regal Airport Hotel. One man, who wore a face mask with a valve that blocks incoming air but may allow infectious exhalations to escape, is believed to have infected a second person in another room. Both carriers were fully vaccinated.

Hong Kong’s two cases were among 11 known worldwide as of mid-afternoon on Friday. The others were in Botswana and South Africa. Despite the small confirmed number and uncertainty over the new variant’s transmissibility, fear that the highly mutated strain could bypass vaccines has pushed some governments like Singapore to announce fresh travel restrictions.

The Hong Kong government said it was closely monitoring the situation.

“Scientific information on the public health significance about this lineage is lacking at the moment,” Hong Kong’s Department of Health said in a statement on Thursday night. The strain “is classified by the World Health Organization as ‘Variants Under Monitoring,’” it noted.

Experts have said that B.1.1.529 is the most mutated version yet, with an “unusual constellation of mutations.” Preliminary overseas research shows it has 50 genetic mutations, including 32 changes to the spike protein — protrusions that allow the virus to infect our cells. The worry is that existing vaccines, designed based on the original strain first discovered in Wuhan, China, could be less effective.

“Mutations could allow the virus to escape immunity from prior infections or vaccinations,” Ben Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong, told Nikkei Asia. “The number of mutations on this variant is of particular concern.”

Cowling added that it is too early to accurately gauge how transmissible the strain is.

Asian markets fell on Friday after news of the variant’s arrival in Hong Kong broke. And countries were beginning to impose precautionary border measures, just as travel starts to pick up again.

The U.K. said it was temporarily banning flights from six African countries — South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho and Eswatini. Singapore on Friday said it would ban entry of travelers from those nations as well as Mozambique, for four weeks beginning Sunday.

Only returning Singaporean citizens and permanent residents will be allowed in, and they will have to quarantine for 10 days on arrival.

“We should take the necessary precautions to reduce the risks of to Singapore,” the city-state’s Health Ministry said, stressing the city has not found any cases of the strain.

India advised all states to conduct “rigorous screening and testing” of travelers from South Africa and other “at risk” countries, according to local media.

Meanwhile, Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirokazu Matsuno told reporters on Friday that the government would “respond flexibly” to any worsening conditions. “The essence of crisis management is to assume the worst,” Matsuno said. “At this point, we have not confirmed any cases , including those at airports.”

Back in Hong Kong, the variant came as health officials finalized plans to reopen the border with the mainland Chinese city of Shenzhen after more than 18 months. The government announced that the territory will implement a health code, similar to that on the mainland, for contact tracing.

“As long as the variant doesn’t spread within community then it shouldn’t affect Hong Kong reopening with mainland,” professor David Hui, a government adviser on COVID-19, told reporters Friday.

Hui added the government should also consider banning flights from six African countries.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/New-COVID-variant-s-arrival-in-Hong-Kong-sows-Asiawide-concern?

Mr Smith — who describes medicine as “common sense” — said he was unlikely to change his views.

When followers reach out to him when they think they’ve caught COVID-19, he prefers to offer prayer and a mixture of ginger, lemon juice, garlic and aspirin.

He said his views — which were based on research he did “on the internet” — were also influenced by a distrust of the government.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-27/south-africa-covid-update-variant-hits/100646204

More on the new Covid Variant – B.1.1.529

Rise of a new coronavirus variant in Africa looks like the disaster scenario experts warned of if rich nations hoarded vaccines for themselves

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/new-coronavirus-variant-may-be-result-of-vaccine-inequality-2021-11

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

Yes.

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

.. and shouldn’t it be Oscar?

JudgeMental said:

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

Yes.

Thanks, you, as always, have been very helpful…

furious said:

JudgeMental said:

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

Yes.

Thanks, you, as always, have been very helpful…

when i am helpful you should know i haven’t a clue.

:-)

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

They haven’t skipped. There are quite a few named variants after Delta.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fvariant-surveillance%2Fvariant-info.html

Michael V said:

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

They haven’t skipped. There are quite a few named variants after Delta.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fvariant-surveillance%2Fvariant-info.html

Thanks, you, as always, have been very helpful…

“The data is clear,” he reported, “of the extra $550 a fortnight — the Coronavirus Supplement — the largest amount, $85, was spent on household bills, electricity, phone, water; $70 of that extra money was spent on food; around $60 was spent on clothing and household goods; around $175 was saved or used to pay down debt.”

“What we saw is that for the people who received that extra money, it was life-changing. Hundreds of thousands of people were lifted out of poverty.

“They didn’t spend that money on frivolous or discretionary items. They didn’t withdraw from the labour market. They spent it well on their families and bills.

“And they spent it quickly, which made it a good stimulus that’s supported the economy.”

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

They haven’t skipped. There are quite a few named variants after Delta.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fvariant-surveillance%2Fvariant-info.html

Thanks, you, as always, have been very helpful…

:)

Wall Street’s Dow Jones Industrial Average closed down 2.5 per cent, its worst day since late October 2020, and European stocks had their worst day in 17 months.

Cruise operators Carnival Corp, Royal Caribbean Cruises and Norwegian Cruise Line plunged more than 10 per cent each, while shares in United Airlines, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines slumped almost as much.

However, COVID-19 vaccine-makers saw their stocks rise.

Pfizer was up 6.11 per cent to close at a record high of $US54, and Moderna jumped 20.57 per cent.

SCIENCE said:

Wall Street’s Dow Jones Industrial Average closed down 2.5 per cent, its worst day since late October 2020, and European stocks had their worst day in 17 months.

Cruise operators Carnival Corp, Royal Caribbean Cruises and Norwegian Cruise Line plunged more than 10 per cent each, while shares in United Airlines, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines slumped almost as much.

However, COVID-19 vaccine-makers saw their stocks rise.

Pfizer was up 6.11 per cent to close at a record high of $US54, and Moderna jumped 20.57 per cent.

The stock markets really don’t matter that much in the general scheme of things. Way too much emphasis is placed on what they are doing.

But the Government will today announce changes to quarantine rules for people who have been in South Africa recently.

There will also be updated travel advice for people considering going to South Africa and other nations where the COVID-19 variant has been found.

SCIENCE said:

But the Government will today announce changes to quarantine rules for people who have been in South Africa recently.

There will also be updated travel advice for people considering going to South Africa and other nations where the COVID-19 variant has been found.

yep, here we fucking go again…

JudgeMental said:

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

Yes.

Nature’s news team polled readers on whether they would use the new system. Most of the 1,362 respondents indicated that they would — depending on the context. However, around 15% said they would continue to use geographical descriptors. And more than a week after the WHO’s announcement, some media organizations and prominent people are continuing to identify variants by geographical place names. That needs to end. The letters of the Greek alphabet are well known to international media and policymakers.

The WHO system’s authors will be aware that theirs is a temporary solution. The WHO has already used 10 of its 24 letters to describe 6 variants of interest and 4 variants of concern that have been identified since December 2020. This means that a new naming system might need to be found.

Developing a naming system that is clear, intelligible and can work across cultures and languages is a complex process — which is one reason it has taken so long for the WHO’s advisers to come up with its present solution. The World Meteorological Organization faces an analogous problem. It has a rotating list of 21 names for storms, such as Dolly and Omar. It also has a reserve list of all 24 Greek letters that it uses when the names in its standard list run out. But in March, it announced that it is retiring the Greek letters from its reserve list and adopting a new system of A–Z names, including Aidan and Zoe. The reason, it says, is that Greek letters can cause confusion when translated into other languages, and that some letters — such as eta and theta — sound alike and might be confused with each other.

The WHO’s advisers need to keep working on the next iteration so that it is ready to be deployed when required, and they should consider alphabets from other languages. Their present solution, although not perfect, is a simple, straightforward alternative for variants that are otherwise being named after places. It will reduce the use of geographical origins as the default when referring to variants, and thus avoid an unintended stigma.

—

That’s stigma not sigma.

How about…

combining the Greek and phonetic alphabets?

Then you could have the Greek alphabet, with 26 variations e.g. Gamma Juliet, Sigma Tango etc.

24 × 26 = 624 permutations.

Should do for a while.

captain_spalding said:

How about…

combining the Greek and phonetic alphabets?

Then you could have the Greek alphabet, with 26 variations e.g. Gamma Juliet, Sigma Tango etc.

24 × 26 = 624 permutations.

Should do for a while.

Yeah, we seem to be motoring through them and they won’t last that long at this rate. They don’t want to use place names, to reduce the stigma, but I wonder what the Greeks think about their alphabet being used…

captain_spalding said:

How about…

combining the Greek and phonetic alphabets?

Then you could have the Greek alphabet, with 26 variations e.g. Gamma Juliet, Sigma Tango etc.

24 × 26 = 624 permutations.

Should do for a while.

…

… they could just use the PANGO lineages nomenclature that’s already being used …

…

B.1.1.529

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

How about…

combining the Greek and phonetic alphabets?

Then you could have the Greek alphabet, with 26 variations e.g. Gamma Juliet, Sigma Tango etc.

24 × 26 = 624 permutations.

Should do for a while.

Yeah, we seem to be motoring through them and they won’t last that long at this rate. They don’t want to use place names, to reduce the stigma, but I wonder what the Greeks think about their alphabet being used…

…

… they could just use the PANGO lineages nomenclature that’s already being used …

…

B.1.1.529

fair point, we apologise to the Romans and the Arabs, sorry

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

How about…

combining the Greek and phonetic alphabets?

Then you could have the Greek alphabet, with 26 variations e.g. Gamma Juliet, Sigma Tango etc.

24 × 26 = 624 permutations.

Should do for a while.

…

… they could just use the PANGO lineages nomenclature that’s already being used …

…

B.1.1.529

That’s more like a phone number from a 1940s Hollywood movie.

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

ABC News:

‘First fatalities of Solomon Islands unrest discovered in burnt-out Chinatown store
Charred bodies are discovered in a building in the capital Honiara as more Australians make their way to the Pacific nation to restore order and protect critical infrastructure.’

Uh-oh.

I think that the Solomon Islanders had better brush up on their Mandarin phrases.

Like, ‘I was on the other side of the island at the time’, and ‘Some of my best friends are Chinese’, and ‘I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords’.

The PLA are no doubt already checking their sunscreen stocks.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

Yeah, we seem to be motoring through them and they won’t last that long at this rate. They don’t want to use place names, to reduce the stigma, but I wonder what the Greeks think about their alphabet being used…

…

… they could just use the PANGO lineages nomenclature that’s already being used …

…

B.1.1.529

fair point, we apologise to the Romans and the Arabs, sorry

Numbers are more universal so, that’s fine…

Apologies, that should have been in ‘chat’.

SCIENCE said:

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

What? He wants the Federal government to actually do something? That would set an unsustainable precedent.

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

…

… they could just use the PANGO lineages nomenclature that’s already being used …

…

B.1.1.529

fair point, we apologise to the Romans and the Arabs, sorry

Numbers are more universal so, that’s fine…

Let’s use the Chinese alphabet then.

That has lots of letters, and it harks to the virus’s lineage…

furious said:

captain_spalding said:

How about…

combining the Greek and phonetic alphabets?

Then you could have the Greek alphabet, with 26 variations e.g. Gamma Juliet, Sigma Tango etc.

24 × 26 = 624 permutations.

Should do for a while.

Yeah, we seem to be motoring through them and they won’t last that long at this rate. They don’t want to use place names, to reduce the stigma, but I wonder what the Greeks think about their alphabet being used…

Numbers (1,2,3,4, etc) might just work.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

What? He wants the Federal government to actually do something? That would set an unsustainable precedent.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

What? He wants the Federal government to actually do something? That would set an unsustainable precedent.

He?

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

fair point, we apologise to the Romans and the Arabs, sorry

Numbers are more universal so, that’s fine…

Let’s use the Chinese alphabet then.

That has lots of letters, and it harks to the virus’s lineage…

also seems reasonable, do they have a poem about bats or something we could take successive glyphs from

(legit’)

furious said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

What? He wants the Federal government to actually do something? That would set an unsustainable precedent.

He?

In these non-binary days, all pronouns are equal.

furious said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

What? He wants the Federal government to actually do something? That would set an unsustainable precedent.

He?

well this so-called “expert” is probably male

but maybe “Hyde” => H’e ¿

I have not read any of Dr Z Hyde’s writings that I disagree with.

Kit Yates is senior lecturer in the Department of Mathematical Sciences and co-director of the Centre for Mathematical Biology at the University of Bath, so he* probably doesn’t know fuck-all about pandemics or anything real-world but here’s an “expert” take.

*: presumptive, based on appearance, but please forgive any category error

‘e’s also based in the UK so maybe we should just ignore the opinion outright — but apparently the UK strategy has been not-very-expert-based and certainly doesn’t look like it matched the advice given here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/26/new-variant-covid-b11529-testing-masks-vaccines

Every time a virus replicates, it has the opportunity to mutate. The more opportunities the virus has to replicate, the larger the number of mutations, and the higher the chances of new variants emerging – that much is simple mathematics. Most mutations will go unnoticed and have a neutral or negative impact on the resulting virus. Occasionally we will see mutations that fundamentally change the nature of the virus and what it is able to do.

There are typically three things that dictate how worried we should be about an emerging variant: does it spread faster? Is it more deadly? And does it evade our existing immunity? We are still at the beginning of the race to understand this new variant, B.1.1.529, which was first detected in southern Africa. But if the answer to any of these questions is yes, then it could be a serious threat – and we will need to do whatever we can to limit its spread.

In short, we must be doing all the things that we should have been doing all along to prevent the spread of Covid-19. What the emergence of this new and potentially dangerous variant highlights more than ever is that we, in the UK, are not immune to Covid in other countries. It doesn’t make sense for the UK government to talk about being first to exit the pandemic. By its very definition, the pandemic is a global problem that will only truly be solved with global solutions.

Worldwide vaccinations will be vital in order to reduce Covid cases around the world and limit the potential for novel variants that could undo all our hard work. Up to this point, rich nations have not been doing enough to achieve this goal. The emergence of this new variant reinforces the message that should have always been the overriding mantra of our pandemic response: nowhere is safe until everywhere is safe.

anyway before we head off to party and let you all to cry about the good news, we’d better give it to yous first

have fun and se’y‘al’ laterz

—

Will It Hurt More¿ Oh Wait

—

Won’t Those Antiviral Medications Save Us¿ Oh No

—

Does It Spread Faster Than Ever Before¿ Oh Shit

Laugh Out Loud oh sorry we mean FREEDOM

—

Just Get GIGAVAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXED¡ OH FUCK

well all right, at least

South Africa’s health minister says, based on a small sample of Omicron cases, the majority of hospital patients are unvaccinated: “It indicates that the vaccines are providing protection”

and

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-long-before-a-vaccine-protects-us-against-the-nu-covid-variant-dbnc5lmxm
https://endpts.com/new-coronavirus-mutation-takes-flight-around-the-globe-as-health-officials-scramble-to-mount-new-defenses/
bq. As Americans were waking up for their Black Friday rituals, they were greeted with the news that a new mutation of the Covid-19 virus has appeared and been sequenced — after it caught an international flight to Hong Kong. And two of the leading Covid-19 vaccine developers promised delivery of a new vaccine “within 100 days” if necessary while a third spelled out its 3-prong strategy hours later.

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Wall Street’s Dow Jones Industrial Average closed down 2.5 per cent, its worst day since late October 2020, and European stocks had their worst day in 17 months.

Cruise operators Carnival Corp, Royal Caribbean Cruises and Norwegian Cruise Line plunged more than 10 per cent each, while shares in United Airlines, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines slumped almost as much.

However, COVID-19 vaccine-makers saw their stocks rise.

Pfizer was up 6.11 per cent to close at a record high of $US54, and Moderna jumped 20.57 per cent.

The stock markets really don’t matter that much in the general scheme of things. Way too much emphasis is placed on what they are doing.

President Trump was wrong?!?

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Wall Street’s Dow Jones Industrial Average closed down 2.5 per cent, its worst day since late October 2020, and European stocks had their worst day in 17 months.

Cruise operators Carnival Corp, Royal Caribbean Cruises and Norwegian Cruise Line plunged more than 10 per cent each, while shares in United Airlines, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines slumped almost as much.

However, COVID-19 vaccine-makers saw their stocks rise.

Pfizer was up 6.11 per cent to close at a record high of $US54, and Moderna jumped 20.57 per cent.

The stock markets really don’t matter that much in the general scheme of things. Way too much emphasis is placed on what they are doing.

President Trump was wrong?!?

Probably. Nobody is perfect.

SCIENCE said:

anyway before we head off to party and let you all to cry about the good news, we’d better give it to yous first

have fun and se’y‘al’ laterz

—

Will It Hurt More¿ Oh Wait

—

Won’t Those Antiviral Medications Save Us¿ Oh No

—

Does It Spread Faster Than Ever Before¿ Oh Shit

Laugh Out Loud oh sorry we mean FREEDOM

—

Just Get GIGAVAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXED¡ OH FUCK

well all right, at least

South Africa’s health minister says, based on a small sample of Omicron cases, the majority of hospital patients are unvaccinated: “It indicates that the vaccines are providing protection”

and

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-long-before-a-vaccine-protects-us-against-the-nu-covid-variant-dbnc5lmxm
https://endpts.com/new-coronavirus-mutation-takes-flight-around-the-globe-as-health-officials-scramble-to-mount-new-defenses/
bq. As Americans were waking up for their Black Friday rituals, they were greeted with the news that a new mutation of the Covid-19 virus has appeared and been sequenced — after it caught an international flight to Hong Kong. And two of the leading Covid-19 vaccine developers promised delivery of a new vaccine “within 100 days” if necessary while a third spelled out its 3-prong strategy hours later.

Keep. Omicron. Out.

Proper. Quarantine. Only.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway before we head off to party and let you all to cry about the good news, we’d better give it to yous first

have fun and se’y‘al’ laterz

—

Will It Hurt More¿ Oh Wait

—

Won’t Those Antiviral Medications Save Us¿ Oh No

—

Does It Spread Faster Than Ever Before¿ Oh Shit

Laugh Out Loud oh sorry we mean FREEDOM

—

Just Get GIGAVAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXED¡ OH FUCK

As Americans were waking up for their Black Friday rituals, they were greeted with the news that a new mutation of the Covid-19 virus has appeared and been sequenced — after it caught an international flight to Hong Kong. And two of the leading Covid-19 vaccine developers promised delivery of a new vaccine “within 100 days” if necessary while a third spelled out its 3-prong strategy hours later.

Keep. Omicron. Out.

Proper. Quarantine. Only.

only for second rate humans

Non-Australians who have been to nine countries where Omicron has been detected cannot enter Australia

The countries are South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Lesotho, Eswatini, The Seychelles, Malawi and Mozambique

but not Greater Palestine or the southern West Taiwanese island of exUK or Belgium or USSA or UK et c

Anyone who has already arrived in Australia from one of the countries must isolate for 14 days

furious said:

Michael V said:

furious said:

So why have they skipped from delta to omicron? Which the internet tells me is 4th to 15th? Have there been variants filling the interim places or are they playing greek letter bingo for their naming convention?

They haven’t skipped. There are quite a few named variants after Delta.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fvariant-surveillance%2Fvariant-info.html

Thanks, you, as always, have been very helpful…

He’s a good bloke. He’s just like that.

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

so called “epidemiologists” what would they know

What? He wants the Federal government to actually do something? That would set an unsustainable precedent.

has anyone noticed crosseyed derrr look any insanity about transitioning covid to an endemic disease because it’s so contagious and reportedly too difficult to eliminate, don’t sense any insanity in the very proposition, even a minor problem

don’t see any sort of obvious madness in that, not even a hint, some people get nothing regard that, not even a fleeting thought that way, possibility doesn’t visit momentarily

could turn out to be the dumbest thing the species ever did

It’s amazing, it’s almost as if We Told You So,

Australian states and territories are reimposing border rules in response to the new Omicron variant of COVID-19, which has now been detected in a growing number of countries across the world.

International arrivals into Victoria and NSW will now be required to self-isolate for at least 72 hours, regardless of vaccination status

South Australia announced a tightening of its border rules, less than a week after reopening to the rest of the country. International arrivals from any country will have to quarantine for 14 days, rather than just seven, due to concern over the Omicron variant. If an Australian jurisdiction is classed “high risk”, the same 14-day quarantine rule will apply.

but you’re right, we didn’t, we didn’t expect even slight intelligence to appear, they surprised us that they responded relatively early at all.

SCIENCE said:

only for second rate humans

Non-Australians who have been to nine countries where Omicron has been detected cannot enter Australia

The countries are South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Lesotho, Eswatini, The Seychelles, Malawi and Mozambique

but not Greater Palestine or the southern West Taiwanese island of exUK or Belgium or USSA or UK et c

Anyone who has already arrived in Australia from one of the countries must isolate for 14 days

It’s amazing, it’s almost as if We Told You So,

Despite the shutdown of flights, there has been increasing evidence that the variant is already spreading. Two Omicron cases have been detected in Britain, while Germany and the Czech Republic are investigating probable infections as the world scrambles to curb the spread of the new coronavirus variant.

but you’re right, we didn’t mention these other 2.

Germany announced “several Omicron-typical mutations were found in a traveller returning from South Africa”. Dutch authorities are also checking for the new variant after 61 passengers on two flights from South Africa tested positive for COVID-19.

We were going to say something like this but this so-called “expert” said it earlier so why not, here

and we’ll put it in our own paraphrase, “there you go, endemic forever-COVID fanatics, welcome to 6-monthly boosters forever“¡

What Does It All Mean¿

Well, in the same tree we had

so that’s possibly even enough information to give you all a decent estimate on how big this thing really is.

Remember that B.1.617.2 smashed all previous, with an advantage of R ~ 7 instead of R ~ 4. That was by loading up 1000 times more virus in hosts. Imagine that, 1000 times more virus, 70% more transmissible. Or maybe log10(1000) = 7 – 4, whatever, the point is, it seems … improbable … that a 500% advantage is going to come out of multiplying up more virus. As in, to get R up to 20, is it possible to grow 10000000000000000 times more virus¿ So fuck that.

What they’re telling us is that it actually looks like this.

So numbers got low and then some bastard came along and is fucking things up. Shitloads of people have either caught this mild head cold by now, or actually gotten shot, so low numbers is somewhat believable if you combine flock and herd immunity. But then, if it’s immunity that’s been keeping counts low, then (as the so-called experts say) the big advantage for any virus is its ability to evade that immunity. How much immunity¿ How much evasion¿

Easy. To get numbers down, then immunity must be at least the “threshold” which gets R ~ 1. If your old B.1.617.2 has R ~ 7 then immunity has to be 6/7 (for simplicity let’s just forget any other infection control measures for now).

To do 500% better (yes we know we’re mixing 500% over original and 500% over B.1.617.2 but you can go do the rigorous yourself) then you just need to turn that remaining 1/7 space into 5/7, so immunity is now 2/7, which is 1/3 of 6/7. As in, immunity has waned to 1/3 of its previous effectiveness. Assuming the intrinsic infectiousness of the virus itself is the same (it might even be less, apparently it’s quite different a lineage to B.1.617.2).

From an ABC item about North Korea, which included remarks about a COVID surge in South Korea:

‘This time, a cluster of infections spread from a little-known religious settlement led by a pastor who pokes his followers in the eyes to heal them. ‘

FMD.

captain_spalding said:

From an ABC item about North Korea, which included remarks about a COVID surge in South Korea:

‘This time, a cluster of infections spread from a little-known religious settlement led by a pastor who pokes his followers in the eyes to heal them. ‘

FMD.

No hand sanitizer.

The idiot was poking them the wrong way, he should have poked them the proper way.

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Spiny Norman said:

Nailed it.

What the fuck is a MBBS BSc Hons Infectious Diseases Emergency Advanced Trainee anyway, is it some kind of so-called expert¿

Who listens to these jokers¿

Spiny Norman said:

I wonder where the Prime Marketer will go for his summer hols this time around?

And if he’ll tell anyone before he goes.

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Nailed it.

To be fair the first audible and serious calls for purpose builds were late last year after it transpired that hotels were fucked, here is the earliest we found, https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1602812/ , enjoy that if you like. Before that they had been using a few and talking about using a few, videre licet putting second-rate Australian citizens in Christmas Island early on.

Imagine, In An Age Of Epidemics And Restricted Travel, Investing In A New Kind Of Tourist Service, The Detention Centre Quarantine Hotel

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

I wonder where the Prime Marketer will go for his summer hols this time around?

And if he’ll tell anyone before he goes.

Oh, come on. He told Albo where he was going. Going “on holidays.”

What’s the problem?

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

I wonder where the Prime Marketer will go for his summer hols this time around?

And if he’ll tell anyone before he goes.

Oh, come on. He told Albo where he was going. Going “on holidays.”

What’s the problem?

maybe he can go “on holidays” for good and let AA do some work for a big and welcome change

Too Late

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/passengers-south-africa-face-wait-covid-19-testing-amsterdam-2021-11-26/

AMSTERDAM, Nov 26 (Reuters) – Dutch health authorities said that 61 people who arrived in Amsterdam on two flights from South Africa on Friday tested positive for COVID-19, and they were conducting further testing early Saturday to see if any of the infections are with the recently discovered Omicron coronavirus variant.

https://www.open.online/2021/11/27/covid-19-campania-caso-sospetto-variante-omicron/

«Abbiamo identificato una sequenza riconducibile alla variante Omicron. Il genoma è stato sequenziato da un campione positivo di un soggetto proveniente dal Mozambico. Il paziente e i suoi contatti familiari sono in buone condizioni di salute e sono residenti in Campania, i cui laboratori sono stati allertati e stanno già lavorando per ottenere i risultati genomici»

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK and Germany confirm first Omicron cases as Europe prepares for spread of new COVID variant

Omicron cases have been detected in Britain and Germany, and the Czech Republic is investigating probable infections as the world scrambles to curb the spread of the new coronavirus variant.

more…

Well, there goes the Ashes series for this summer :(

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK and Germany confirm first Omicron cases as Europe prepares for spread of new COVID variant

Omicron cases have been detected in Britain and Germany, and the Czech Republic is investigating probable infections as the world scrambles to curb the spread of the new coronavirus variant.

more…

Well, there goes the Ashes series for this summer :(

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK and Germany confirm first Omicron cases as Europe prepares for spread of new COVID variant

Omicron cases have been detected in Britain and Germany, and the Czech Republic is investigating probable infections as the world scrambles to curb the spread of the new coronavirus variant.

more…

Well, there goes the Ashes series for this summer :(

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were already here and doing two weeks in quarantine on the Gold coast.
Are there any more stragglers to come?

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK and Germany confirm first Omicron cases as Europe prepares for spread of new COVID variant

Omicron cases have been detected in Britain and Germany, and the Czech Republic is investigating probable infections as the world scrambles to curb the spread of the new coronavirus variant.

more…

Well, there goes the Ashes series for this summer :(

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were refusing to come and play if they had to do quarantine on arrival and then live in a “Covid bubble” out of touch with the general population for the rest of the tour. Especially if they had to do it in each state as they traveled around.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Well, there goes the Ashes series for this summer :(

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were refusing to come and play if they had to do quarantine on arrival and then live in a “Covid bubble” out of touch with the general population for the rest of the tour. Especially if they had to do it in each state as they traveled around.

Well fuck’em then. Tell them to stick the ashes where the sun doesn’t shine.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were refusing to come and play if they had to do quarantine on arrival and then live in a “Covid bubble” out of touch with the general population for the rest of the tour. Especially if they had to do it in each state as they traveled around.

Well fuck’em then. Tell them to stick the ashes where the sun doesn’t shine.

ah, the ashole, we understand

Cairns quarantine hotel blaze prompts emergency declaration
By Nibir Khan
Paramedics say four people assessed at the scene are in a stable condition, while fire crews say everyone in the building has been accounted for.
Posted 1h ago

Ian said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Well, there goes the Ashes series for this summer :(

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were already here and doing two weeks in quarantine on the Gold coast.
Are there any more stragglers to come?

Apparently they arrived on Nov 6. Quarantine should have well and truly finished by now.

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were already here and doing two weeks in quarantine on the Gold coast.
Are there any more stragglers to come?

Apparently they arrived on Nov 6. Quarantine should have well and truly finished by now.

You are right.

It is just WA they were threatening to boycott if they had to do a Covid bubble and quarantine here.

So, it looks like no Ashes test at Optus Stadium this summer.

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Why?

The English team was to quarantine on arrival anyway.

I thought they were already here and doing two weeks in quarantine on the Gold coast.
Are there any more stragglers to come?

Apparently they arrived on Nov 6. Quarantine should have well and truly finished by now.

Ya. Apparently they have been trying to get in a bit of practice in the horribly wet and slushy La Nina conditions.
Heard one of their guys saying historically they do well in La Nina years.
Brave

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Ian said:

I thought they were already here and doing two weeks in quarantine on the Gold coast.
Are there any more stragglers to come?

Apparently they arrived on Nov 6. Quarantine should have well and truly finished by now.

You are right.

It is just WA they were threatening to boycott if they had to do a Covid bubble and quarantine here.

So, it looks like no Ashes test at Optus Stadium this summer.

I wonder where the replacement test will be played.

More about omicron.

https://www.who.int/news/item/26-11-2021-classification-of-omicron-(b.1.1.529)-sars-cov-2-variant-of-concern

“The B.1.1.529 variant was first reported to WHO from South Africa on 24 November 2021. The epidemiological situation in South Africa has been characterized by three distinct peaks in reported cases, the latest of which was predominantly the Delta variant. In recent weeks, infections have increased steeply, coinciding with the detection of B.1.1.529 variant. The first known confirmed B.1.1.529 infection was from a specimen collected on 9 November 2021.”

As a side note, does this mean that 529 variants of the B.1.1 variant are known? The answer would be “yes”. Well, almost. 68 of the 529 variants have sonce been redacted, leaving 461 variants with names B.1.1.. Plus more with B.1.1.1. etc.

“Several labs have indicated that for one widely used PCR test, one of the three target genes is not detected (called S gene dropout or S gene target failure) and this test can therefore be used as marker for this variant, pending sequencing confirmation. Using this approach, this variant has been detected at faster rates than previous surges in infection.”

Easy detection is good news. But only if quaratine acts on it.

The omicron variant is related more closely to the alpha variant B.1.1.7 from the UK from Sep 2020 than to the delta variant B.1.617.2. It’s not related to the lambda variant C.37 at all. Whew.

Let’s see if I can find out if the omicron variant resembles the lambda variant. If so then we’re in for a total shitstorm. The lambda variant is the high death rate variant from Peru.

Here’s an interesting website of Covid variant lineages. By using lineages of mutations, you can track the movement of covid around the world. It’d be fun to plot this movement, day by day.

https://cov-lineages.org/lineage_list.html

Some examples:
A – 2019-12-30 China
A.2 – 2020-02-17 Spain
A.2.2 – 2020-03-17 Australia
So Australia picked up this variant from Spain rather than directly from China. That’s interesting.

B – 2019-12-24
B.1 – 2020-01-01 The northern Italian outbreak that went on to devastate France and western Europe. Now mostly in USA.
There are 46,252 different B.1 lineages known.

B.1.1 – 2020-01-08 Europe
B.1.1.1 – 2020-03-02 England
B.1.1.7 – 2020-02-07 England, alpha strain
There are 69,636 different B.1.1.7 lineages known.

B.1.351 – South Africa, beta strain

C.1 – 2020-01-03 Alias of B.1.1.1.1, South Africa
C.37 – 2020-07-21 Alias of B.1.1.1.37, Peru, lambda strain

Q.1 – 2020-07-31 Alias of B.1.1.7.1, Lithuania

L.1 – 2020-03-20 Alias of B.1.1.10.1, Canada

D.2 – 2020-03-19 Alias of B.1.1.25.2, Australia

P.1 – 2020-04-07 Alias of B.1.1.28.1, Brazil, gamma strain

N.1 – 2020-03-25 Alias of B.1.1.33.1, USA

AQ.1 Finland
AP.1 Wales
AL.1 Canada
AK.1 UK
AH.1 Switzerland
AJ.1 Portugal
K.1 South Korea
M.1 Israel
AG.1 Netherlands

etc.

Total 1,000,000 different observed covid mutation lineages known. That’s one new Covid mutation lineage for every 160 covid cases.

NSW Health
3 hrs ·
PUBLIC HEALTH ALERT: CASES IDENTIFIED ON INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT
NSW Health can confirm urgent genomic testing is underway after passengers who arrived in Sydney from southern Africa tonight have tested positive for COVID-19.
Fourteen passengers who arrived in Sydney are from one of the nine southern African countries of South Africa, Lesotho, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, Malawi, and the Seychelles.
Testing on arrival has identified two of these passengers have COVID-19, and urgent genomic sequencing is underway to determine if they have been infected by the new Omicron B.1.1.529 variant of concern.
The passengers arrived on Qatar Airways QR908, Doha to Sydney, which arrived around 7pm, Saturday November 27.
These passengers have been transported to the Special Health Accommodation where they will undertake 14 days of quarantine.
Other passengers on the flight may be considered a close contact and will be contacted and requested to get tested immediately, and isolate for 14 days in accordance with a public health order. It is an offence not to comply with a Public Health Order and penalties can apply. Close contacts will be contacted regularly, and compliance checks will be undertaken.
In line with Commonwealth measures, all travellers arriving in NSW who have been in South Africa, Lesotho, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, Malawi, and the Seychelles during the 14 day period before their arrival in NSW must enter hotel quarantine for 14 days, irrespective of their vaccination status.
All travellers who have been in any other overseas country during the 14 day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 72 hours, pending further health advice.
All flight crew who have been overseas during the 14-day period before their arrival in NSW must travel directly to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 14 days or until their departure on another flight that leaves Australia, consistent with the current rules for unvaccinated flight crew;
Anyone who has already arrived in NSW who has been in any of the nine African countries within the previous 14 days must immediately get tested and isolate for 14 days, and call NSW Health on 1800 943 553.

mollwollfumble said:

More about omicron.

https://www.who.int/news/item/26-11-2021-classification-of-omicron-(b.1.1.529)-sars-cov-2-variant-of-concern

“The B.1.1.529 variant was first reported to WHO from South Africa on 24 November 2021. The epidemiological situation in South Africa has been characterized by three distinct peaks in reported cases, the latest of which was predominantly the Delta variant. In recent weeks, infections have increased steeply, coinciding with the detection of B.1.1.529 variant. The first known confirmed B.1.1.529 infection was from a specimen collected on 9 November 2021.”

As a side note, does this mean that 529 variants of the B.1.1 variant are known? The answer would be “yes”. Well, almost. 68 of the 529 variants have sonce been redacted, leaving 461 variants with names B.1.1.. Plus more with B.1.1.1. etc.

“Several labs have indicated that for one widely used PCR test, one of the three target genes is not detected (called S gene dropout or S gene target failure) and this test can therefore be used as marker for this variant, pending sequencing confirmation. Using this approach, this variant has been detected at faster rates than previous surges in infection.”

Easy detection is good news. But only if quaratine acts on it.

The omicron variant is related more closely to the alpha variant B.1.1.7 from the UK from Sep 2020 than to the delta variant B.1.617.2. It’s not related to the lambda variant C.37 at all. Whew.

Let’s see if I can find out if the omicron variant resembles the lambda variant. If so then we’re in for a total shitstorm. The lambda variant is the high death rate variant from Peru.

Here’s an interesting website of Covid variant lineages. By using lineages of mutations, you can track the movement of covid around the world. It’d be fun to plot this movement, day by day.

https://cov-lineages.org/lineage_list.html

Some examples:
A – 2019-12-30 China
A.2 – 2020-02-17 Spain
A.2.2 – 2020-03-17 Australia
So Australia picked up this variant from Spain rather than directly from China. That’s interesting.

B – 2019-12-24
B.1 – 2020-01-01 The northern Italian outbreak that went on to devastate France and western Europe. Now mostly in USA.
There are 46,252 different B.1 lineages known.

B.1.1 – 2020-01-08 Europe
B.1.1.1 – 2020-03-02 England
B.1.1.7 – 2020-02-07 England, alpha strain
There are 69,636 different B.1.1.7 lineages known.

B.1.351 – South Africa, beta strain

C.1 – 2020-01-03 Alias of B.1.1.1.1, South Africa
C.37 – 2020-07-21 Alias of B.1.1.1.37, Peru, lambda strain

Q.1 – 2020-07-31 Alias of B.1.1.7.1, Lithuania

L.1 – 2020-03-20 Alias of B.1.1.10.1, Canada

D.2 – 2020-03-19 Alias of B.1.1.25.2, Australia

P.1 – 2020-04-07 Alias of B.1.1.28.1, Brazil, gamma strain

N.1 – 2020-03-25 Alias of B.1.1.33.1, USA

AQ.1 Finland
AP.1 Wales
AL.1 Canada
AK.1 UK
AH.1 Switzerland
AJ.1 Portugal
K.1 South Korea
M.1 Israel
AG.1 Netherlands

etc.

Total 1,000,000 different observed covid mutation lineages known. That’s one new Covid mutation lineage for every 160 covid cases.

So, as I say, there are now 1,000,000 different covid lineages known. ie. 1,000,000 different Covid variants.

It takes more than a new defining mutation to be classed as a new lineage.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/27/palazzo-adriano-sicilian-town-covid-vaccination-rate

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Apparently they arrived on Nov 6. Quarantine should have well and truly finished by now.

You are right.

It is just WA they were threatening to boycott if they had to do a Covid bubble and quarantine here.

So, it looks like no Ashes test at Optus Stadium this summer.

I wonder where the replacement test will be played.

There was talk of having it in Hobart as a testimonial for Tim Paine. Also the MCG were pretty loud about hosting a second test. Then there’s always Canberra.

Victoria’s CHO Brett Sutton says the new Omicron variant will not put Australia “back to square one”, saying while questions remain over the new COVID strain’s transmissibility and vaccine efficacy, vaccine coverage will offer protection.

remember how 1.5 shots were 100% effective, this is another truth right here

SCIENCE said:

bq. Victoria’s CHO Brett Sutton says the new Omicron variant will not put Australia “back to square one”, saying while questions remain over the new COVID strain’s transmissibility and vaccine efficacy, vaccine coverage will offer protection.

remember how 1.5 shots were 100% effective, this is another truth right here

No.

Yer only allowed one hit

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/27/palazzo-adriano-sicilian-town-covid-vaccination-rate

let’s see

a village with a vaccination rate that defies mathematics: 104%. A good portion of the population has already taken or booked a third dose and since vaccines were first available it utilised its close-knit relations to protect its people.

They’ve already triple vaccinated 104% ¿¡ Nice one then ¡¿

I wonder if Omicron will affect the efficacy of invermectin?

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder if Omicron will affect the efficacy of invermectin?

I doubt it, but you never know.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

More about omicron.

https://www.who.int/news/item/26-11-2021-classification-of-omicron-(b.1.1.529)-sars-cov-2-variant-of-concern

“The B.1.1.529 variant was first reported to WHO from South Africa on 24 November 2021. The epidemiological situation in South Africa has been characterized by three distinct peaks in reported cases, the latest of which was predominantly the Delta variant. In recent weeks, infections have increased steeply, coinciding with the detection of B.1.1.529 variant. The first known confirmed B.1.1.529 infection was from a specimen collected on 9 November 2021.”

As a side note, does this mean that 529 variants of the B.1.1 variant are known? The answer would be “yes”. Well, almost. 68 of the 529 variants have sonce been redacted, leaving 461 variants with names B.1.1.. Plus more with B.1.1.1. etc.

“Several labs have indicated that for one widely used PCR test, one of the three target genes is not detected (called S gene dropout or S gene target failure) and this test can therefore be used as marker for this variant, pending sequencing confirmation. Using this approach, this variant has been detected at faster rates than previous surges in infection.”

Easy detection is good news. But only if quaratine acts on it.

The omicron variant is related more closely to the alpha variant B.1.1.7 from the UK from Sep 2020 than to the delta variant B.1.617.2. It’s not related to the lambda variant C.37 at all. Whew.

Let’s see if I can find out if the omicron variant resembles the lambda variant. If so then we’re in for a total shitstorm. The lambda variant is the high death rate variant from Peru.

Here’s an interesting website of Covid variant lineages. By using lineages of mutations, you can track the movement of covid around the world. It’d be fun to plot this movement, day by day.

https://cov-lineages.org/lineage_list.html

Some examples:
A – 2019-12-30 China
A.2 – 2020-02-17 Spain
A.2.2 – 2020-03-17 Australia
So Australia picked up this variant from Spain rather than directly from China. That’s interesting.

B – 2019-12-24
B.1 – 2020-01-01 The northern Italian outbreak that went on to devastate France and western Europe. Now mostly in USA.
There are 46,252 different B.1 lineages known.

B.1.1 – 2020-01-08 Europe
B.1.1.1 – 2020-03-02 England
B.1.1.7 – 2020-02-07 England, alpha strain
There are 69,636 different B.1.1.7 lineages known.

B.1.351 – South Africa, beta strain

C.1 – 2020-01-03 Alias of B.1.1.1.1, South Africa
C.37 – 2020-07-21 Alias of B.1.1.1.37, Peru, lambda strain

Q.1 – 2020-07-31 Alias of B.1.1.7.1, Lithuania

L.1 – 2020-03-20 Alias of B.1.1.10.1, Canada

D.2 – 2020-03-19 Alias of B.1.1.25.2, Australia

P.1 – 2020-04-07 Alias of B.1.1.28.1, Brazil, gamma strain

N.1 – 2020-03-25 Alias of B.1.1.33.1, USA

AQ.1 Finland
AP.1 Wales
AL.1 Canada
AK.1 UK
AH.1 Switzerland
AJ.1 Portugal
K.1 South Korea
M.1 Israel
AG.1 Netherlands

etc.

Total 1,000,000 different observed covid mutation lineages known. That’s one new Covid mutation lineage for every 160 covid cases.

So, as I say, there are now 1,000,000 different covid lineages known. ie. 1,000,000 different Covid variants.

It takes more than a new defining mutation to be classed as a new lineage.

“Pangolin” is software for deciding whether a particular Covid mutation counts as a new lineage or not. “Pango” is a latin verb meaning “to fix or set”. A new Covid mutalion will not be counted as a new lineage unless:

• there are at least five observed incidents,
• the sequencing is complete and has better than 95% accuracy,
• There is a link to an existing lineage,
• It is in a new geographic location or has a higher infection rate or has different symptomology to its parent.

From https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.32.2001410
Detail of early known Covid lineages. Feb to Jul 2020. There were are a lot of Covid variants, even back then.

Everything you didn’t want to know about Covid but have been forced to find out. 554 pages long. Published monthly. The latest free edition I know of is this Jun 2021 edition. https://amedeo.com/CovidReference06.pdf

Treatments other than vaccines

I wonder why Vic infection rates are remaining so stubbornly high given that their vaccination rates are good?

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder why Vic infection rates are remaining so stubbornly high given that their vaccination rates are good?

Cold and rainy weather makes them stay indoors and drink lots of coffee in crowded cafes.

(guess)

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder why Vic infection rates are remaining so stubbornly high given that their vaccination rates are good?

People live in closer proximity to each other in Melbourne than in other cities in Australia, I think.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder why Vic infection rates are remaining so stubbornly high given that their vaccination rates are good?

Cold and rainy weather makes them stay indoors and drink lots of coffee in crowded cafes.

(guess)

People live in closer proximity to each other in Melbourne than in other cities in Australia, I think.

infection control measures affect R, and government geniuses like to adjust measures to maintain R ~ 1 but not R < 1 so uh let’s see if each case spreads to one more case then

magic ¡ constant numbers ¡ endemic ¡ with current level of restrictions

We mean call us fucking retarded or whatever but we don’t really follow this Leading Expert reasoning here

“It does seem to be taking off in South Africa. It’s hard to know whether that really means that it’s that much more transmissible than Delta or if there just wasn’t much Delta around to compete with it.” Authorities will need to keep an eye on other countries where Omicron may already have spread, Professor Baxter added.

as in, gee if there are factors causing B.1.617.2 to be “wasn’t much around” and B.1.1.529 is smashing its way forward despite the factors, then let’s see, is it worse ¿

Fuck CHINA ¡

Israel is barring entry to all foreigners, making it the first country to shut its borders completely in response to the new and potentially more contagious Omicron coronavirus variant.

oh wait that was Greater Palestine, we meant

Fuck CHINA ¡¡¡

China could face more than 630,000 COVID-19 infections a day if it dropped its zero-tolerance policies by lifting travel controls, according to a study by Peking University mathematicians.

imagine a country that stands against biological warfare against its very own citizens

China’s daily new cases would reach at least 637,155 if it adopted the United States’ pandemic strategy, the report said. Daily cases would hit 275,793 if China took the same approach as Britain and 454,198 if it imitated France, it said.

excellent, now just force them to open up and we can get rid of all those dirty ASIANS stealing all our jobs

“strategy” laugh out loud, really

oh and in case you had any doubt that Let It Rip® and similar “strategies” are just bioterrorism by another name

Israel said it would ban the entry of all foreigners into the country, making it the first country to shut its borders completely in response to the new variant. The government said it would use counter-terrorism phone-tracking technology in order to contain the spread of Omicron.

SCIENCE said:

Fuck CHINA ¡

Israel is barring entry to all foreigners, making it the first country to shut its borders completely in response to the new and potentially more contagious Omicron coronavirus variant.

oh wait that was Greater Palestine, we meant

Fuck CHINA ¡¡¡

China could face more than 630,000 COVID-19 infections a day if it dropped its zero-tolerance policies by lifting travel controls, according to a study by Peking University mathematicians.

imagine a country that stands against biological warfare against its very own citizens

China’s daily new cases would reach at least 637,155 if it adopted the United States’ pandemic strategy, the report said. Daily cases would hit 275,793 if China took the same approach as Britain and 454,198 if it imitated France, it said.

excellent, now just force them to open up and we can get rid of all those dirty ASIANS stealing all our jobs

“strategy” laugh out loud, really

oh and in case you had any doubt that Let It Rip® and similar “strategies” are just bioterrorism by another name

Israel said it would ban the entry of all foreigners into the country, making it the first country to shut its borders completely in response to the new variant. The government said it would use counter-terrorism phone-tracking technology in order to contain the spread of Omicron.

china is one of the countries that absolutely has done the right thing keeping with elimination, the objective, I don’t doubt it at all

japan also

ABC Sydney
2 hrs · #BREAKING Two passengers on a Qatar Airways flight that arrived in Sydney on Saturday have been confirmed to have the new Omicron Covid-19 variant.
More: https://ab.co/3cXY8ng

—Plan your lockdown Xmas now.

perhaps there are two types of people in the world

those that would happily give you a nasty flu, preferably obliviously, and those that wouldn’t

not a few of those that might obliviously give a you a nasty flu could be vaccinated, encouraged by their ‘immunity’

sarahs mum said:

ABC Sydney
2 hrs · #BREAKING Two passengers on a Qatar Airways flight that arrived in Sydney on Saturday have been confirmed to have the new Omicron Covid-19 variant.
More: https://ab.co/3cXY8ng

—Plan your lockdown Xmas now.

We do wonder about this work of genius.

If you’re hoping for your big event to be, say, religious birthing festival massive X, then why the cuss would you try to import bioterrorism 1 month before it and ensure the disaster unfolds just in time for a superspreader party¿

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC Sydney
2 hrs · #BREAKING Two passengers on a Qatar Airways flight that arrived in Sydney on Saturday have been confirmed to have the new Omicron Covid-19 variant.
More: https://ab.co/3cXY8ng

—Plan your lockdown Xmas now.

We do wonder about this work of genius.

If you’re hoping for your big event to be, say, religious birthing festival massive X, then why the cuss would you try to import bioterrorism 1 month before it and ensure the disaster unfolds just in time for a superspreader party¿

I think the bigger trouble is there is no, or lack of embarrassment to do with exporting covid

until it becomes embarrassing, a national embarrassment, it’s just going to be endless bullshit really

the joy of internationalist covid egalitarianism, they have a fantasy of everyone being in the same boat

the reality is wild covid is extremely dangerous, all the evidence suggests so, well, there’s no reason to think it isn’t with the host numbers presently, massive human petri dish, a recipe for covid evolution, a growing problem, the trajectory is evident already, has been for quite a while

sarahs mum said:

ABC Sydney
2 hrs · #BREAKING Two passengers on a Qatar Airways flight that arrived in Sydney on Saturday have been confirmed to have the new Omicron Covid-19 variant.
More: https://ab.co/3cXY8ng

—Plan your lockdown Xmas now.

Great, put them, back on the plane and send them back.

There’s all this noise in the back alleys about how this newly nominated B.1.1.429 thing, well, evolutionary and epidemiological analysis suggests that

• it has been cooking for a while, possibly in various places, and
• it’s only when it popped up in South Africa which has an amazing public health system that they did the Good Work to sequence and identify it, and
• so instead of being thanked for sounding the alarm and Good Work and open communication, the Good Workers get blamed for the cooking, and
• because of the labelling and travelbanning and shittalking and just general shitfuckery then maybe in future the kind and generous souls in South Africa might simply not bother to publish if they do good work again

. Well, fair thought, now we do wonder what if there was once a time (before all this pandemic panderemic panic plandemic sycophandemic) when

• viruses might have been cooking for a while, possibly in various places, and
• it’s only when a bunch of unexplained highly lethal pneumonia cropped up in a place with an advanced institute of virology and not only excellent public health systems but comprehensive population surveillance, that authorities were able to see a pattern and report it, and
• so instead of being thanked for sounding the alarm and being perceptive and open communication, the responsible authorities get blamed, and
• because of the labelling and travelbanning and shittalking and just general shitfuckery then maybe in future the responsible people in such a place (who actually try to prevent massive population infection and death) might refuse to cooperate with inquisitions and simply lock their doors and tell the pricks trying to prick them to fuck off

¿ What if, eh¿

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Nailed it.

To be fair the first audible and serious calls for purpose builds were late last year after it transpired that hotels were fucked, here is the earliest we found, https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1602812/ , enjoy that if you like. Before that they had been using a few and talking about using a few, videre licet putting second-rate Australian citizens in Christmas Island early on.

Imagine, In An Age Of Epidemics And Restricted Travel, Investing In A New Kind Of Tourist Service, The Detention Centre Quarantine Hotel

some so-called experts

what a bunch of fools

Fuck CHINA, Their Infection Control Restrictions Make It Difficult For One Poor Child With Fewer Than 2 Preexisting Conditions To Survive Another Year While Those Same Restrictions Force 200,000,000 Comrades To Continue Live With Possibly* Devastated Economy Over The Same Period

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/dad-manufactures-medicine-for-sick-son-china/100645022
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/china-study-warns-of-colossal-covid-outbreak-if-it-opens-up/100657172

*: worldwide slash elsewhere perhaps

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC Sydney
2 hrs · #BREAKING Two passengers on a Qatar Airways flight that arrived in Sydney on Saturday have been confirmed to have the new Omicron Covid-19 variant.
More: https://ab.co/3cXY8ng

—Plan your lockdown Xmas now.

We do wonder about this work of genius.

If you’re hoping for your big event to be, say, religious birthing festival massive X, then why the cuss would you try to import bioterrorism 1 month before it and ensure the disaster unfolds just in time for a superspreader party¿

Of Course, Just Old Off The Response (But Not The Virus) Until After The Party

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/scientists-sharing-omicron-date-were-heroic-lets-ensure-they-dont-regret-it

“Fatigue seems to be the key symptom of Omicron infection.

The South African doctor who first spotted the strain says the symptoms appear to be on the mild side.

Angelique Coetzee, who’s also the head of the South African Medical Association, says fatigue is the main symptom.

“I got a male patient, youngish, 30 years of age, coming in with severe tiredness and fatigue for the past two days with a bit of body aches and pains and a headache.

“But they were not very sick, none of them were extremely sick.”“

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Here’s hoping the Omicron variant really is a milder disease.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100657604

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/omicron-covid-19-variant-arrives-in-australia-as-two-cases-confirmed-in-sydney/87d85383-cd8c-4c45-bcae-18c6143cde4b

“NSW Health says about 260 passengers and air crew are close contacts of the two Omicron COVID-19 variant cases confirmed yesterday.

These passengers have been directed to isolate for 14 days, regardless of their test results.

Urgent genomic testing on Sunday confirmed two travellers from southern Africa — who flew into Sydney on Saturday, November 27, on Qatar Airways flight QR908 from Doha — were infected with the new variant.

They are now in isolation in the Special Health Accommodation.

Also in hotel quarantine are another 12 passengers from southern Africa who were on the same flight.

Travellers from South Africa, Lesotho, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, Malawi, and the Seychelles are now required to go into hotel quarantine for 14 days, irrespective of their vaccination status.

Travellers from other countries are now also required to immediately go to their place of residence or accommodation and isolate for 72 hours pending further health advice.”

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Meanwhile the usual suspects (Joyce et al) want everything to continue opening up. No “err on the side of caution” policy to be seen. I suppose I’ll have to implement that policy personally.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/sydney-news-accused-windang-gunman-charged/100657034

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/scientists-sharing-omicron-date-were-heroic-lets-ensure-they-dont-regret-it

Good to see the Gran typos even in their internet address.

https://theconversation.com/covid-death-data-can-be-shared-to-make-it-look-like-vaccines-dont-work-or-worse-but-thats-not-the-whole-picture-172411

JudgeMental said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/scientists-sharing-omicron-date-were-heroic-lets-ensure-they-dont-regret-it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/scientists-sharing-omicron-data-were-heroic-lets-ensure-they-dont-regret-it

Better?

JudgeMental said:

https://theconversation.com/covid-death-data-can-be-shared-to-make-it-look-like-vaccines-dont-work-or-worse-but-thats-not-the-whole-picture-172411

Does The Conversation date any of their articles?

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

https://theconversation.com/covid-death-data-can-be-shared-to-make-it-look-like-vaccines-dont-work-or-worse-but-thats-not-the-whole-picture-172411

Does The Conversation date any of their articles?

they hide it under the title, withing the background block color

transition said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

https://theconversation.com/covid-death-data-can-be-shared-to-make-it-look-like-vaccines-dont-work-or-worse-but-thats-not-the-whole-picture-172411

Does The Conversation date any of their articles?

they hide it under the title, within the background block color

Ah. Thanks for that.

:)

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

There’s all this noise in the back alleys about how this newly nominated B.1.1.429 thing, well, evolutionary and epidemiological analysis suggests that

• it has been cooking for a while, possibly in various places, and
• it’s only when it popped up in South Africa which has an amazing public health system that they did the Good Work to sequence and identify it, and
• so instead of being thanked for sounding the alarm and Good Work and open communication, the Good Workers get blamed for the cooking, and
• because of the labelling and travelbanning and shittalking and just general shitfuckery then maybe in future the kind and generous souls in South Africa might simply not bother to publish if they do good work again

. Well, fair thought, now we do wonder what if there was once a time (before all this pandemic panderemic panic plandemic sycophandemic) when

• viruses might have been cooking for a while, possibly in various places, and
• it’s only when a bunch of unexplained highly lethal pneumonia cropped up in a place with an advanced institute of virology and not only excellent public health systems but comprehensive population surveillance, that authorities were able to see a pattern and report it, and
• so instead of being thanked for sounding the alarm and being perceptive and open communication, the responsible authorities get blamed, and
• because of the labelling and travelbanning and shittalking and just general shitfuckery then maybe in future the responsible people in such a place (who actually try to prevent massive population infection and death) might refuse to cooperate with inquisitions and simply lock their doors and tell the pricks trying to prick them to fuck off

¿ What if, eh¿

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/scientists-sharing-omicron-date-were-heroic-lets-ensure-they-dont-regret-it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/28/scientists-sharing-omicron-data-were-heroic-lets-ensure-they-dont-regret-it

Better?

Excellent point, we also extend thanks to the crowd who told us there was pneumonia in 2019, they told us it was airborne in early 2020, and continued to tell us what the correct strategy was in 2021.

Who is this so-called “expert”,

Senior Lecturer @QMUL Epidemiology, statistical genetics, machine learning. Intersectional feminist. Advocating for a better culture in academia. All views mine

what a bunch of lies they spout.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/nsw-another-traveller-possibly-has-omicron-covid-19-variant/100657668

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/nsw-another-1000-travellers-almost-certainly-have-omicron-covid-19-variant/100657668

more like ^ but do like less

Essential:

Proper quarantine.

Masks.

Regular sanitising.

don’t forget boosters

SCIENCE said:

don’t forget boosters

Yes, I missed out “up to date vaccinations” on that list.

SCIENCE said:

Who is this so-called “expert”,

Senior Lecturer @QMUL Epidemiology, statistical genetics, machine learning. Intersectional feminist. Advocating for a better culture in academia. All views mine

what a bunch of lies they spout.

the situation is the global capital has a lot of power, helps governments into power that hardly govern, have a minimum intervention approach, fall back on the ‘democracy of the market’

they tend to see intervention as being creeping, expansionist

none of which is necessarily or likely true of an optimized covid elimination strategy globally

a softer, failed elimination (endemic) approach effectively incorporates covid into the system, with dependencies, and there is shitloads of money involved

the reality of course is covid is evolving, has a massive host base now, the trajectory at this point is for more of the same and quite possibly worse to come

covid seems at this time something that ought be eliminated, keep with the objective

the trouble is with the hosts, hosting covid, the reality is people tend to have one idea about something so they don’t have to have other thoughts, they think this so they don’t have to think that, or think much at all, and that phenomena is exactly the territory ideology occupies, operates in or with

presently people are being offered endemic covid, that it is inevitable, and inevitability is an effective device for stopping thought, sure as keeping on drinking alcohol reliably results in intoxication

part of the worry is that the covid troubles are going to result in a global economic collapse, but closer to the reality is a failure to keep with eliminating it may lend more to global instability

SCIENCE said:

We mean call us fucking retarded or whatever but we don’t really follow this Leading Expert reasoning here

“It does seem to be taking off in South Africa. It’s hard to know whether that really means that it’s that much more transmissible than Delta or if there just wasn’t much Delta around to compete with it.” Authorities will need to keep an eye on other countries where Omicron may already have spread, Professor Baxter added.

as in, gee if there are factors causing B.1.617.2 to be “wasn’t much around” and B.1.1.529 is smashing its way forward despite the factors, then let’s see, is it worse ¿

strange

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Who is this so-called “expert”,

Senior Lecturer @QMUL Epidemiology, statistical genetics, machine learning. Intersectional feminist. Advocating for a better culture in academia. All views mine

what a bunch of lies they spout.

the situation is the global capital has a lot of power, helps governments into power that hardly govern, have a minimum intervention approach, fall back on the ‘democracy of the market’

they tend to see intervention as being creeping, expansionist

none of which is necessarily or likely true of an optimized covid elimination strategy globally

a softer, failed elimination (endemic) approach effectively incorporates covid into the system, with dependencies, and there is shitloads of money involved

the reality of course is covid is evolving, has a massive host base now, the trajectory at this point is for more of the same and quite possibly worse to come

covid seems at this time something that ought be eliminated, keep with the objective

the trouble is with the hosts, hosting covid, the reality is people tend to have one idea about something so they don’t have to have other thoughts, they think this so they don’t have to think that, or think much at all, and that phenomena is exactly the territory ideology occupies, operates in or with

presently people are being offered endemic covid, that it is inevitable, and inevitability is an effective device for stopping thought, sure as keeping on drinking alcohol reliably results in intoxication

part of the worry is that the covid troubles are going to result in a global economic collapse, but closer to the reality is a failure to keep with eliminating it may lend more to global instability

think it always a good idea these days, when say watching something on TV, whether those delivering the news, or the subject of the news, to imagine their investment portfolio, the ‘distributed’ risk, and ask who really has any loyalty to their own country, perhaps whoever has no interest in borders at all, would like to see them largely eliminated

funnily enough those that want to propagate pandemic forever also tend to be those that oppose vaccination

(and also tend to be those that oppose any other infection control)

SCIENCE said:

sigh

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

sigh

Should make a film or something.

peeps getin scared

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/health-minister-greg-hunt-covid-omicron-variant-booster-timing/100658110

Australia’s expert immunisation panel will review the time frame for COVID-19 booster shots, as the nation’s leaders come to terms with the the detection of the Omicron “variant of concern”.

Health Minister Greg Hunt today called for calm and insisted Australia was well placed to deal with the new variant should it spread in the community.

He said he had asked ATAGI to review the time frame for booster shots and said Australia’s vaccine stocks could accommodate fast-tracking them if it was recommended.

ABC News:

‘‘Scientifically unjustified’: African leaders call for urgent lifting of Omicron travel bans
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa is calling on countries to “immediately and urgently” reverse travel bans following the discovery of the new coronavirus variant Omicron.’

Scientifically justified, or no?

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC Sydney
2 hrs · #BREAKING Two passengers on a Qatar Airways flight that arrived in Sydney on Saturday have been confirmed to have the new Omicron Covid-19 variant.
More: https://ab.co/3cXY8ng

—Plan your lockdown Xmas now.

We do wonder about this work of genius.

If you’re hoping for your big event to be, say, religious birthing festival massive X, then why the cuss would you try to import bioterrorism 1 month before it and ensure the disaster unfolds just in time for a superspreader party¿

Of Course, Just Hold Off The Response (But Not The Virus) Until After The Party

(fixed ‘H’ apologies)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/scott-morrison-covid-variant-omicron-national-cabinet/100657558

The Prime Minister says he plans to call a meeting of state and territory leaders today or tomorrow to discuss how to respond to the Omicron variant, but it is “too early” to make decisions about reinstating quarantine before Christmas. Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce pushed back against the idea of locking down any parts of Australia in response to the Omicron variant, saying there had to be an approach that balanced health with business. “We can’t just shut down every time there’s a new variant, because there’s going to be new variants, and they’re going to continue on,” he said. “And, you know, the economy won’t work and society won’t accept it if we just keep shutting the show down. “So I think there will be a sort of a tempered, sober approach to the assessment of what we do next.”

HINTS

• if you keep virus out, you get to keep partying in
• if you want in, you can just fucking do quarant-in-e
• quarantine grows Big Builder economy, vaccines grow Big Pharma economy, and masks grow Big Farmer economy, so let’s Spend Up Big on those

oh and

You know how good quarantine facilities are good on

• islands
• with lots of open space
• and adequate healthcare provision

well guess what Australia could provide as a service to the world¿ Imagine selling not just tourism, but outsourced quarantine¡ We could launder people like Afghanistan launders money¡

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘‘Scientifically unjustified’: African leaders call for urgent lifting of Omicron travel bans
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa is calling on countries to “immediately and urgently” reverse travel bans following the discovery of the new coronavirus variant Omicron.’

Scientifically justified, or no?

not justified by political SCIENCE or economist SCIENCE we suppose

but if people did good quarantine, then travel bans would be unnecessary

compare if people did good N95+ masking, most other restrictions would be unnecessary

In addition to three confirmed Omicron cases in NSW and the Northern Territory, NSW health authorities are investigating a number of travellers’ positive tests for potential signs of the new COVID-19 variant.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/nsw-omicron-covid-variant-traveller-perrottet/100657668

The Premier said the government did not plan to reintroduce hotel quarantine for all international arrivals and that he was “confident” the high vaccination rate in NSW would keep the community safe. He said it was “too early” to say what the next steps in combating the variant would be but locking down the state for every new variant was “untenable”.

True enough, they wouldn’t quarantine everyone, only the plebs who don’t donate to the Corruption Coalition or have close family members or friends in it.

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/covid-19-melbourne-cafe-vandalised-death-threat-left-on-door/100658404

well

Government minister Jacinta Allan called the incident “unacceptable”

as is typical on these matters, Prime Marketing stayed completely silent

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘‘Scientifically unjustified’: African leaders call for urgent lifting of Omicron travel bans
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa is calling on countries to “immediately and urgently” reverse travel bans following the discovery of the new coronavirus variant Omicron.’

Scientifically justified, or no?

Yes, IMHO.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/covid-19-melbourne-cafe-vandalised-death-threat-left-on-door/100658404

well

Government minister Jacinta Allan called the incident “unacceptable”

as is typical on these matters, Prime Marketing stayed completely silent

He probably hired the thugs.

WA Police officers who refuse vaccine will be stood down on full pay, union says
By Blake Kagi

Full pay? They should be sacked like everyone else.

Wherever I worked it was a community. We all looked after each other in the ‘family’ of the business.

(Melbourne) “CBD protests: 19 linked cases, one in hospital.

The latest update from Victoria’s Chief Health Officer says 19 COVID-19 cases have been linked to mass gatherings in Melbourne’s CBD.

16 are unvaccinated, two are partially vaccinated and one person is fully vaccinated.

One person is in hospital and one person attended a social gathering while asymptomatic, after they attended the protest.

This gathering is now considered an outbreak by Victoria’s Department of Health, with 10 confirmed cases linked to the cluster so far.

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Not unexpected…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100657604

Michael V said:

(Melbourne) “CBD protests: 19 linked cases, one in hospital.

The latest update from Victoria’s Chief Health Officer says 19 COVID-19 cases have been linked to mass gatherings in Melbourne’s CBD.

16 are unvaccinated, two are partially vaccinated and one person is fully vaccinated.

One person is in hospital and one person attended a social gathering while asymptomatic, after they attended the protest.

This gathering is now considered an outbreak by Victoria’s Department of Health, with 10 confirmed cases linked to the cluster so far.

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Not unexpected…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100657604

When will they ever learn?

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

roughbarked said:

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

My sentiments exactly.

He plays a rules-based game. We live in a rules-based society. I’m sure he understands; break the rules, accept the consequences.

(Actually, I wonder who is blackmailing who, here.)

Japan to ban all foreign arrivals from Tuesday.

Prime Minister Fumio Kishida says Japan will suspend entry for all foreign visitors from Tuesday.

The decision reverses border controls that eased earlier this month for short-term business visitors, foreign students and workers.

Over the weekend, Japan introduced a 10-day quarantine rule for anyone arriving from South Africa and eight other countries.

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Israel first, Japan second.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100657604

roughbarked said:

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

Yes, surprising as it may be to him, the planet will continue to revolve and lije will go on, even without his august presence.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

Yes, surprising as it may be to him, the planet will continue to revolve and lije will go on, even without his august presence.

lije = life

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

Yes, surprising as it may be to him, the planet will continue to revolve and lije will go on, even without his august presence.

lije = life

For him, life is a li-j-e.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

Yes, surprising as it may be to him, the planet will continue to revolve and lije will go on, even without his august presence.

>>Novak Djokovic is the career leader in prize money earnings on the ATP tennis World Tour. With more than 153 million U.S. dollars in prize money earnings, he is only one of three players who have made more than 100 million U.S. dollars from prize money in men’s professional tennis. The only other two are Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. Following his ninth title at the Australian Open in 2021, as well as his sixth Championship at Wimbledon, and his second French Open victory, Djokovic also leads the way in prize money earnings in 2021, banking almost 7.5 million U.S. dollars.<<

Guess he has a long middle finger.

PermeateFree said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

There is further doubt over whether the men’s world number one will compete at Melbourne Park, with his dad likening Tennis Australia’s stance on player vaccination to “blackmail”.

>
Fair go mate.
Go stuff yourself then.

Yes, surprising as it may be to him, the planet will continue to revolve and lije will go on, even without his august presence.

>>Novak Djokovic is the career leader in prize money earnings on the ATP tennis World Tour. With more than 153 million U.S. dollars in prize money earnings, he is only one of three players who have made more than 100 million U.S. dollars from prize money in men’s professional tennis. The only other two are Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. Following his ninth title at the Australian Open in 2021, as well as his sixth Championship at Wimbledon, and his second French Open victory, Djokovic also leads the way in prize money earnings in 2021, banking almost 7.5 million U.S. dollars.<<

Guess he has a long middle finger.

Well, I guess he won’t miss this payday if he isn’t allowed to attend.

:)

Now Australia has imported at least 5 Omicron COVID variant cases. Four confirmed in NSW, one in the NT.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/nsw-health-confirms-two-more-omicron-covid-cases-in-sydney/100658728

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/albanese-says-omicron-reinforces-for-purpose-built-quarantine/100660026

Michael V said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-29/albanese-says-omicron-reinforces-for-purpose-built-quarantine/100660026

politician readily talking health advice ¿ Support

Of the five cases of the new strain in Australia, all are young, all are double vaxed and none of them are sick.

Peak Warming Man said:

Of the five cases of the new strain in Australia, all are young, all are double vaxed and none of them are sick.

makes sense if it’s so lethal that you die the moment you feel unwell

https://theconversation.com/it-looks-like-omicron-causes-milder-illness-is-this-how-covid-becomes-endemic-172754

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Of the five cases of the new strain in Australia, all are young, all are double vaxed and none of them are sick.

makes sense if it’s so lethal that you die the moment you feel unwell

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Of the five cases of the new strain in Australia, all are young, all are double vaxed and none of them are sick.

makes sense if it’s so lethal that you die the moment you feel unwell

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Fair.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

makes sense if it’s so lethal that you die the moment you feel unwell

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Fair.

so you don’t think that a condition that either is asymptomatic or rapidly lethal, could leave only asymptomatic people alive to reach their destination

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

makes sense if it’s so lethal that you die the moment you feel unwell

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Fair.

what SCIENCE said does make sense

the spin presently, and there is a lot of it, it’s largely unavoidable, anyway the spin is to soften the massive human petri dish to endemic-covid-normal, with any bullshit that works, basically it involves a lot of strategic negation, quite a natural thing for humans to do anyway

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Fair.

so you don’t think that a condition that either is asymptomatic or rapidly lethal, could leave only asymptomatic people alive to reach their destination

I didn’t get that understanding from the riddle you wrote.

transition said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Fair.

what SCIENCE said does make sense

the spin presently, and there is a lot of it, it’s largely unavoidable, anyway the spin is to soften the massive human petri dish to endemic-covid-normal, with any bullshit that works, basically it involves a lot of strategic negation, quite a natural thing for humans to do anyway

one of devices which has got amplified recently, it always kicks around in the background, is the view humans are irrational, responding to the “new variant” (really that is more covid), driven by fear

now that in fact might be true, to whatever extent it is true, depends how you want to view it, but the backdrop to it is more a theory of behavior, which by no accident has the receiver of the theory looking to a superior rationality to remedy it

and of course the superior rational view when you go looking for answers will involve acceptance of endemic covid

transition said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

Fair.

what SCIENCE said does make sense

the spin presently, and there is a lot of it, it’s largely unavoidable, anyway the spin is to soften the massive human petri dish to endemic-covid-normal, with any bullshit that works, basically it involves a lot of strategic negation, quite a natural thing for humans to do anyway

one of devices which has got amplified recently, it always kicks around in the background, is the view humans are irrational, responding to the “new variant” (really that is more covid), driven by fear

now that in fact might be true, to whatever extent it is true, depends how you want to view it, but the backdrop to it is more a theory of behavior, which by no accident has the receiver of the theory looking to a superior rationality to remedy it

and of course the superior rational view when you go looking for answers will involve acceptance of endemic covid

I don’t accept that we must have borders open.

I don’t accept that proper quarantine is unnecessary.

I don’t accept that continued simple sensible measures to reduce transmission (eg masks) are an awfully difficult impost.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Of the five cases of the new strain in Australia, all are young, all are double vaxed and none of them are sick.

makes sense if it’s so lethal that you die the moment you feel unwell

Sometimes but very rarely you post something that makes sense.
This is not one of them.

Fair.

so you don’t think that a condition that either is asymptomatic or rapidly lethal, could leave only asymptomatic people alive to reach their destination

I didn’t get that understanding from the riddle you wrote.

Uh because there were no riddles.

We took on face value that it was observed that Australia had 5 cases of B.1.1.529 and they were young and had 2 vaccine doses and they were not sick.

We presumed that it referred to the 5 returned travellers fitting such a description.

It seems entirely plausible that one could observe 5 young, 2-dosed, not sick cases of a disease that can be very nasty, if it’s very nasty but only when it gets nasty.

It even makes sense¡

But we suppose the immediate initial 16 word response being rhetorically fallacious wasn’t about reasoning it out.

Anyway we’ve reached the inevitable™ conclusion that the Forever-COVID Fanatics have exactly enough intelligence to count to 1 (one) and 1 (one) only, based on the pattern that they all seem to support exactly 1 (one) infection control measure which therefore in their view makes all other measures unnecessary, even if the particular 1 (one) measure each of them chooses may not be the same 1 (one), they can’t handle more than 1 (one).

Michael V said:

transition said:

transition said:

what SCIENCE said does make sense

the spin presently, and there is a lot of it, it’s largely unavoidable, anyway the spin is to soften the massive human petri dish to endemic-covid-normal, with any bullshit that works, basically it involves a lot of strategic negation, quite a natural thing for humans to do anyway

one of devices which has got amplified recently, it always kicks around in the background, is the view humans are irrational, responding to the “new variant” (really that is more covid), driven by fear

now that in fact might be true, to whatever extent it is true, depends how you want to view it, but the backdrop to it is more a theory of behavior, which by no accident has the receiver of the theory looking to a superior rationality to remedy it

and of course the superior rational view when you go looking for answers will involve acceptance of endemic covid

I don’t accept that we must have borders open.

I don’t accept that proper quarantine is unnecessary.

I don’t accept that continued simple sensible measures to reduce transmission (eg masks) are an awfully difficult impost.

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

transition said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

one of devices which has got amplified recently, it always kicks around in the background, is the view humans are irrational, responding to the “new variant” (really that is more covid), driven by fear

now that in fact might be true, to whatever extent it is true, depends how you want to view it, but the backdrop to it is more a theory of behavior, which by no accident has the receiver of the theory looking to a superior rationality to remedy it

and of course the superior rational view when you go looking for answers will involve acceptance of endemic covid

I don’t accept that we must have borders open.

I don’t accept that proper quarantine is unnecessary.

I don’t accept that continued simple sensible measures to reduce transmission (eg masks) are an awfully difficult impost.

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

JudgeMental said:

Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

Laugh Out Loud but back on the preceding

just vaccinate eh

which it’s now able to null 2/3 of eh

air

prevent transmission by air

anyway back to quoting so-called experts who know fuck-all

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/uk-scientific-advisers-brace-confirmed-omicron-covid-cases

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

I don’t accept that we must have borders open.

I don’t accept that proper quarantine is unnecessary.

I don’t accept that continued simple sensible measures to reduce transmission (eg masks) are an awfully difficult impost.

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

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transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Yes, capture and storage isn’t working so putting a price on covid might work.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Indeed having to wait and pay for 14 days of quarantine would seem to be a good start (and market force driver if you swing that way) in doing this.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Indeed having to wait and pay for 14 days of quarantine would seem to be a good start (and market force driver if you swing that way) in doing this.

my emphasis is on the source though, more like quarantine etc before you travel

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

I don’t accept that we must have borders open.

I don’t accept that proper quarantine is unnecessary.

I don’t accept that continued simple sensible measures to reduce transmission (eg masks) are an awfully difficult impost.

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

I honestly have no idea why. No idea at all.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

end of the day, there’s a flavor of internationalism, fluid loyalties that way, that requires background covid, required covid noise, a noise floor that all the covid accidents can get lost in

no small amount of money helping that along

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

Michael V said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

you send your neighboring State (or whatever country) a bill for expenses incurred as a consequence them exporting covid into your jurisdiction

put them on notice they’ll get a bill, for expenses incurred

transition said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Indeed having to wait and pay for 14 days of quarantine would seem to be a good start (and market force driver if you swing that way) in doing this.

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

my emphasis is on the source though, more like quarantine etc before you travel

Yeah trouble with that is being able to trust the source whereas if you get them to pay in advance for turning up and then waiting, not so easy to sneak around.

As mentioned before, it could even be an economic boon for Quarantine Supplier Countries that you could potentially trust, just say “fly to QSC first, do your isolation holiday, then take a clean flight here”.

Unfortunately WHO paints it as a kind of travel sanction against countries, and keeps saying “no travel restrictions, not airborne, other silly stuff”.

We argue that very much the opposite of travel restriction, this is travel freedom: if you have proper quarantine, there is no source country you can’t have people over from. Just decrease the quarantine requirement for demonstrably safe countries.

transition said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

you send your neighboring State (or whatever country) a bill for expenses incurred as a consequence them exporting covid into your jurisdiction

put them on notice they’ll get a bill, for expenses incurred

How do you prevent the destination country from deliberately letting it spread to increase the reparation they can demand¿

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

you send your neighboring State (or whatever country) a bill for expenses incurred as a consequence them exporting covid into your jurisdiction

put them on notice they’ll get a bill, for expenses incurred

How do you prevent the destination country from deliberately letting it spread to increase the reparation they can demand¿

It is after all, human nature?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

you send your neighboring State (or whatever country) a bill for expenses incurred as a consequence them exporting covid into your jurisdiction

put them on notice they’ll get a bill, for expenses incurred

How do you prevent the destination country from deliberately letting it spread to increase the reparation they can demand¿

It is after all, human nature?

We suppose you could have a generational discount factor, for every linked case on each subsequent day pay 0.8 of the full cost, and beyond 20 days (1% cost) you’re done until the next import/export.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

you send your neighboring State (or whatever country) a bill for expenses incurred as a consequence them exporting covid into your jurisdiction

put them on notice they’ll get a bill, for expenses incurred

How do you prevent the destination country from deliberately letting it spread to increase the reparation they can demand¿

that’s an argument for it being more effective, not less effective, a fairly shit point too really I might add, because obviously a loss of confidence about any originating jurisdictions’ commitment to the fundamentals of the agreement could become increasingly restrictive for them, and expensive

but more to generalize of the idea, it inspires agreement, incentivizes agreement, to keep traveling covid extremely low

and traveling covid is the problem

BREAKING:

The ABC has confirmed there is now a fifth case of the Omicron variant of COVID-19 in NSW.

The case is a woman in her 30s who arrived in Sydney on Saturday, before new travel restrictions were in place.

She had travelled to at least two southern African countries prior to arriving.

It is understood she has visited several venues on the NSW Central Coast.

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Grrrrrrr. Proper quarantine would have stopped this. Grrrrr. Just stupid. Grrrrrr.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100660024

Health authorities waiting for results in far-west NSW

Health authorities in far-west NSW say they are waiting to find out the origins of a local covid case who returned from Africa recently.

The Far West Local Health District says the Broken Hill resident flew Regional Express from Sydney last Friday afternoon.

Chief executive Umit Agis says the person was confirmed covid positive yesterday but it’s not clear if it is the Omicron variant.

He says the individual’s partner and child have also tested positive.

“We are doing a genomic testing which will tell us what the origins of this particular virus is,” he said.

“I’m actually waiting for that result so expecting that result sometime this morning.”

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Bloody.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100660024

“As countries across the globe close their borders, Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly is warning there is only so much that can be done to curb the spread.

“We cannot keep this Omicron variant out forever from Australia — eventually it will be here,” he said.”

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Well yes, we could: proper quarantine.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/federal-government-efforts-to-contain-omicron-covid-explained/100660892

Prime Minister says he will tell premiers and chief ministers at National Cabinet to maintain their plans to have domestic borders reopen

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What happened to the precautionary principle?
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100660024

Michael V said:

Prime Minister says he will tell premiers and chief ministers at National Cabinet to maintain their plans to have domestic borders reopen

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What happened to the precautionary principle?
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100660024

see the inevitability in there, no thought required, has a lot of similarities to religion

Michael V said:

“As countries across the globe close their borders, Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly is warning there is only so much that can be done to curb the spread.

“We cannot keep this Omicron variant out forever from Australia — eventually it will be here,” he said.”

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Well yes, we could: proper quarantine.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/federal-government-efforts-to-contain-omicron-covid-explained/100660892

Let’s give up on excluding rabies and foot-and-mouth while we’re at it.

Or would the ‘learning to live’ with those diseases not sit as well with the L/NP support base as something which just infects people?

transition said:

Michael V said:

Prime Minister says he will tell premiers and chief ministers at National Cabinet to maintain their plans to have domestic borders reopen

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What happened to the precautionary principle?
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100660024

see the inevitability in there, no thought required, has a lot of similarities to religion

It’s God’s will.

Michael V said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s assume that some places Got Clean, and then kept it that way, and therefore the only thing they needed to do was quarantine everyone at the border for 14 days, properly.

Exactly what is the benefit of forcing millions of people who Got Clean to suddenly have to Get Vaccinated, Get Masked, Get Outdoors, Get Checked In, Get Regularly Tested, Get On The Waiting List For Elective Surgery That Is Delayed, Get Cetera indefinitely … all for the benefit of a few thousand to not have to wait 14 days before they party ¿

Disclaimer: because there is stupidity out there, some or all (at least 1 (one) of those Get up there) are still on our recommended list.

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

Yep…Victoria got some from SA last year, and some from NSW a couple of times. That’s gonna work…

buffy said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

all needs be done to fix the problem is to make exporting covid extremely expensive (to the country of origin), and embarrassing

that way the countries (or States) where people fly (or drive) from have to put in place very good measures to make sure it doesn’t get transported around

like SA should send Victoria a bill for any covid that comes over, compensation for expenses

Interesting notion.

How to implement?

Yep…Victoria got some from SA last year, and some from NSW a couple of times. That’s gonna work…

you don’t know, it’s never been tried, and the proposition was to ask of that now, the operating environment, to ask what is the weakness?

if you want fairly easy air travel, planes flying all over the globe, there needs be an extremely high level of confidence, through international agreement, that everything has been done to prevent it boarding planes

until that is done it’s going to be a dog’s breakfast

at the moment the consequences of starting a covid fire elsewhere, well let’s say it’s being socialized (more), made everyone and nobody’s responsibility, it’s in a no place, it is a no place

In the car as I drove back with the shopping, I heard a lady, I’m pretty sure she was a WHO scientist lady, getting a bit annoyed and basically saying there needs to be a lot more attention to the science…and that panic and fear is not the way to go at all. I can’t find any news items online, but if anyone wants to know what the latest is on this new strain…here is the WHO link.

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron

It pretty much says:

We don’t know how transmissible it is or isn’t.
We don’t know if it makes people sicker or not.
We don’t know if previous infection is helpful in not getting it or not.
We don’t know if the vaccinations in place so far help or not.

buffy said:

In the car as I drove back with the shopping, I heard a lady, I’m pretty sure she was a WHO scientist lady, getting a bit annoyed and basically saying there needs to be a lot more attention to the science…and that panic and fear is not the way to go at all. I can’t find any news items online, but if anyone wants to know what the latest is on this new strain…here is the WHO link.

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron

It pretty much says:

We don’t know how transmissible it is or isn’t.
We don’t know if it makes people sicker or not.
We don’t know if previous infection is helpful in not getting it or not.
We don’t know if the vaccinations in place so far help or not.

Unca Normie Swan was asked how concerned we should be about the new strain.
Said “On a scale of 0 to 10, where 0 is pina colada and 10 is brown pants with bicycle clips, I make it a 6.”

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“As countries across the globe close their borders, Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly is warning there is only so much that can be done to curb the spread.

“We cannot keep this Omicron variant out forever from Australia — eventually it will be here,” he said.”

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Well yes, we could: proper quarantine.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/federal-government-efforts-to-contain-omicron-covid-explained/100660892

Let’s give up on excluding rabies and foot-and-mouth while we’re at it.

Or would the ‘learning to live’ with those diseases not sit as well with the L/NP support base as something which just infects people?

We mean at least they did something, slow down the bioterror importation,

International students and skilled migrants were supposed to be able to fly to Australia from tomorrow if they were fully vaccinated, and they would not have had to quarantine if they were headed to NSW or Victoria. But the federal government has pushed the date back by two weeks due to concerns about Omicron. Plans to allow travellers from Japan and South Korea have also been halted. The government is hopeful health experts will have enough data about the strain’s transmissibility and severity within weeks so the ban can be lifted on December 15.

but just imagine for a moment that they had bothered to set up some kind of proper reliable fit for purpose quarantine, so that these boat people could still arrive but just have to sit tight, and then BOOM the moment they fling the doors open (only with proper quarantine in our opinion) they’d be already here and ready to Grow The Economy.

Oh, wait what, what was that, oh, so these corrupt bastards wanting Forever COVID-19 aren’t actually interested in doing good for the economy after all, they’re just being arseholes ¿ Surprise ¡

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

“As countries across the globe close their borders, Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly is warning there is only so much that can be done to curb the spread.

“We cannot keep this Omicron variant out forever from Australia — eventually it will be here,” he said.”

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Well yes, we could: proper quarantine.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/federal-government-efforts-to-contain-omicron-covid-explained/100660892

Let’s give up on excluding rabies and foot-and-mouth while we’re at it.

Or would the ‘learning to live’ with those diseases not sit as well with the L/NP support base as something which just infects people?

I guess so.

transition said:

Michael V said:

Prime Minister says he will tell premiers and chief ministers at National Cabinet to maintain their plans to have domestic borders reopen

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What happened to the precautionary principle?
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-30/covid-updates-who-omicron-coronavirus-variant-borders/100660024

see the inevitability in there, no thought required, has a lot of similarities to religion

I don’t understand what you mean.