A Melbourne book store has hired professional security after a staff member working as a COVID-19 marshal was allegedly pushed down an escalator.

The employee at Dymocks, in Melbourne’s CBD, was briefly knocked unconscious in the incident after allegedly being pushed by a customer who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

Afterwards, the staff member was found to have suffered a mild concussion and cuts to his back from tumbling down the escalator.

Police are now investigating the alleged assault, which was caught on camera.

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More violent COVIDiots. This is a very worrying trend.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/police-investigate-assault-on-dymocks-staff-member/100668260

“Portugal tightens COVID restrictions.

Portugal is entering a so-called state of calamity, the second this year, to curve an upward trend in coronavirus infections despite having one of the strongest vaccination records in Europe, with a double-dose vaccination rate of about 87 per cent.

The state of calamity is one step below the country’s top level of alert.

The country is tightening passenger control in airports, seaports and land borders, requiring negative coronavirus tests for most incoming visitors as part of the new set of rules that kick in Wednesday.

Face masks are again required in enclosed spaces and coronavirus vaccination or COVID-19 recovery tests are required to enter restaurants, cinemas, gyms and hotels.”

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87% double-dose vaxxes. It’ll be interesting to see whether the death rate remains low, despite the climbing infection rate.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/covid-updates-omicron-variant-vaccination-borders-nsw-vic-qld-nt/100667614

“Gold Coast back on COVID alert after infectious man attends Black Friday sales
A man who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast yesterday is fully vaccinated and was infectious in the community for three days, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says.

She said he was “unlikely” to have the Omicron variant but investigations were continuing.

Queensland Health yesterday afternoon issued a public health alert for contact tracing locations on the Gold Coast after confirming the new positive COVID-19 case.

At the time it said investigations were underway to determine the source of infection, but confirmed the man had visited the Robina Town Centre during the Black Friday shopping sales.

Anyone who had visited the location or has symptoms “no matter how mild” was urged to get tested immediately.”

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COVID has penetrated the QLD border yet again.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/covid-updates-omicron-variant-vaccination-borders-nsw-vic-qld-nt/100667614

Michael V said:

“Gold Coast back on COVID alert after infectious man attends Black Friday sales
A man who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast yesterday is fully vaccinated and was infectious in the community for three days, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says.

She said he was “unlikely” to have the Omicron variant but investigations were continuing.

Queensland Health yesterday afternoon issued a public health alert for contact tracing locations on the Gold Coast after confirming the new positive COVID-19 case.

At the time it said investigations were underway to determine the source of infection, but confirmed the man had visited the Robina Town Centre during the Black Friday shopping sales.

Anyone who had visited the location or has symptoms “no matter how mild” was urged to get tested immediately.”

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COVID has penetrated the QLD border yet again.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/covid-updates-omicron-variant-vaccination-borders-nsw-vic-qld-nt/100667614

I was there the day before.

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

“Gold Coast back on COVID alert after infectious man attends Black Friday sales
A man who tested positive to COVID-19 on the Gold Coast yesterday is fully vaccinated and was infectious in the community for three days, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk says.

She said he was “unlikely” to have the Omicron variant but investigations were continuing.

Queensland Health yesterday afternoon issued a public health alert for contact tracing locations on the Gold Coast after confirming the new positive COVID-19 case.

At the time it said investigations were underway to determine the source of infection, but confirmed the man had visited the Robina Town Centre during the Black Friday shopping sales.

Anyone who had visited the location or has symptoms “no matter how mild” was urged to get tested immediately.”

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COVID has penetrated the QLD border yet again.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/covid-updates-omicron-variant-vaccination-borders-nsw-vic-qld-nt/100667614

I was there the day before.

phew

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

COVID has penetrated the QLD border yet again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/covid-updates-omicron-variant-vaccination-borders-nsw-vic-qld-nt/100667614

I was there the day before.

phew

ah so maybe ‘e was the source

interesting play here, but not saying we believe, endorse, agree or feel that it is a well founded extrapolation

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1464267983166058500

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

I was there the day before.

phew

ah so maybe ‘e was the source

Unlikely.

SCIENCE said:

interesting play here, but not saying we believe, endorse, agree or feel that it is a well founded extrapolation

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1464267983166058500

They WHO didn’t use the Greek letter Nu so as to avoid confusion.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

interesting play here, but not saying we believe, endorse, agree or feel that it is a well founded extrapolation

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1464267983166058500

They WHO didn’t use the Greek letter Nu so as to avoid confusion.

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

interesting play here, but not saying we believe, endorse, agree or feel that it is a well founded extrapolation

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1464267983166058500

They WHO didn’t use the Greek letter Nu so as to avoid confusion.

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

yeah we know, we think that graphic was created before the WHO designation, it was more the extrapolation bit that we were entertained by

we were also thinking of this the other day but only now are we somewhere we can post it easily

Yeah But … How Does One Pronounce “EU“¿

SCIENCE said:

yeah we know, we think that graphic was created before the WHO designation, it was more the extrapolation bit that we were entertained by

we were also thinking of this the other day but only now are we somewhere we can post it easily

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

They WHO didn’t use the Greek letter Nu so as to avoid confusion.

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

yeah imagine the confusion and offence that would have arisen if only they’d called it something like B.1.1.529 or B.1.617.2 or B.1.1.7 or B.1.351 or something like that, damn

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah we know, we think that graphic was created before the WHO designation, it was more the extrapolation bit that we were entertained by

we were also thinking of this the other day but only now are we somewhere we can post it easily

I want to see what you posted.

It is a good graphic.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

They WHO didn’t use the Greek letter Nu so as to avoid confusion.

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

My suggestion a few days back was to use the phonetic alphabet.

You start with Alpha, and the first variant of that is Alpha Alpha, the next is Alpha Bravo, then Alpha Charlie etc.

If a whole new strain arrives, then it’s the Bravo strain. First variant is Bravo Alpha and so on.

Or else phonetics and numbers.

Alpha, with variants Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Alpha 3 etc.

New stain is Bravo, with variants Bravo 1, Bravo 2, Bravo 3 etc.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

yeah we know, we think that graphic was created before the WHO designation, it was more the extrapolation bit that we were entertained by

we were also thinking of this the other day but only now are we somewhere we can post it easily

I want to see what you posted.

It is a good graphic.

I have no idea what it means.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

They WHO didn’t use the Greek letter Nu so as to avoid confusion.

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

There’s always the wingdings alphabet. :)

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

There’s always the wingdings alphabet. :)

Just use Chinese.

You know it makes sense.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

There’s always the wingdings alphabet. :)

Just use Chinese.

You know it makes sense.

surely they should always have, we mean, WHO are under CHINA these days anyway, Australia soon

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I want to see what you posted.

It is a good graphic.

I have no idea what it means.

It’s from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias article.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

The Greek letters Nu + Xi were skipped. Nu for confusion reasons and Xi as it is a common Chinese name.

I wonder what happens when we run out of greek letters…

My suggestion a few days back was to use the phonetic alphabet.

You start with Alpha, and the first variant of that is Alpha Alpha, the next is Alpha Bravo, then Alpha Charlie etc.

If a whole new strain arrives, then it’s the Bravo strain. First variant is Bravo Alpha and so on.

Or else phonetics and numbers.

Alpha, with variants Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Alpha 3 etc.

New stain is Bravo, with variants Bravo 1, Bravo 2, Bravo 3 etc.

That would work. 10 4 Bravo 1.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I want to see what you posted.

It is a good graphic.

I have no idea what it means.

When planes got back from an air battle in WW2 they’d monitor where they had been hit by enemy fire. The white spaces where no hits are recorded, they eventually realised that those parts of the plane needed to be strengthened or augmented.

Marcus Lamb, a Christian Broadcaster and Vaccine Skeptic, Dies of Covid

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/marcus-lamb-dead.html

I was just looking up the definition of schadenfreude….

sibeen said:

Marcus Lamb, a Christian Broadcaster and Vaccine Skeptic, Dies of Covid

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/marcus-lamb-dead.html

I was just looking up the definition of schadenfreude….

Jonathan Lamb described his father’s Covid infection as “a spiritual attack from the enemy” to “take down” Marcus Lamb.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/marcus-lamb-anti-vaccine-christian-broadcaster-dies-covid-battle-rcna7139

NYT paywalled for me so went elsewhere.

ChrispenEvan said:

Jonathan Lamb described his father’s Covid infection as “a spiritual attack from the enemy” to “take down” Marcus Lamb.

Well, it worked :)

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Jonathan Lamb described his father’s Covid infection as “a spiritual attack from the enemy” to “take down” Marcus Lamb.

Well, it worked :)

Yes, thank god!

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Marcus Lamb, a Christian Broadcaster and Vaccine Skeptic, Dies of Covid

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/marcus-lamb-dead.html

I was just looking up the definition of schadenfreude….

Jonathan Lamb described his father’s Covid infection as “a spiritual attack from the enemy” to “take down” Marcus Lamb.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/marcus-lamb-anti-vaccine-christian-broadcaster-dies-covid-battle-rcna7139

NYT paywalled for me so went elsewhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/01/marcus-lamb-covid-19-daystar-christian-tv-network-dies

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Jonathan Lamb described his father’s Covid infection as “a spiritual attack from the enemy” to “take down” Marcus Lamb.

Well, it worked :)

Yes, thank god!

God is unilateral in beneficence.

Cases linked to Melbourne protests grow to 29, almost all among unvaccinated.

The number of COVID-19 cases linked to recent protests in Melbourne has grown to 29, with almost all of them in people who are unvaccinated.

The cases involve 18 men and 11 women between the ages of 14 and 73, of whom only one was fully vaccinated, and three had received one dose of vaccine.

Two of those people have now been admitted to hospital.

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Ah-ha!
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/covid-updates-omicron-variant-vaccination-borders-nsw-vic-qld-nt/100667614

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

It is a good graphic.

I have no idea what it means.

It’s from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias article.

Ta.

> who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

I’ve done that, and when challenged just turned around and walked out.

mollwollfumble said:

> who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

I’ve done that, and when challenged just turned around and walked out.

Surely that’s the idea.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

> who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

I’ve done that, and when challenged just turned around and walked out.

Surely that’s the idea.

Yes, i believe that’s the way it’s supposed to work.

‘May i see your vax status, sir?’

‘Certainly, all up to date, here’s the certification.’

‘Thank you, sir, in you go.’

Next customer

‘See your vax status, sir?’

‘I’m afraid not, i have not been vaccinated, as a matter of choice.’

‘Then we may not permit you to enter, sir.’

‘Right you are, squire, i shall about turn and toddle off. Good day.’

‘Good day to you, sir’.

Yeah, i reckon that’s what they had in mind.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

> who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

I’ve done that, and when challenged just turned around and walked out.

Surely that’s the idea.

Much better than violence. Much better.

And what’s supposed to happen.

mollwollfumble said:

> who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

I’ve done that, and when challenged just turned around and walked out.

Why?

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

> who refused to check in using a QR code and show his vaccine certificate.

I’ve done that, and when challenged just turned around and walked out.

Why?

+1

NSW Health said the child, along with his family, had not spent time in southern Africa and arrived on flight QR908 from Doha to Sydney on Thursday, November 23.

The new infection was identified after urgently retested swabs were taken from 500 returned travellers who have arrived in the state since November 22.

The parents, who are both fully vaccinated, have tested positive to COVID-19 and are currently undergoing genomic testing to confirm if they are also positive to the new variant.

SCIENCE said:

NSW Health said the child, along with his family, had not spent time in southern Africa and arrived on flight QR908 from Doha to Sydney on Thursday, November 23.

The new infection was identified after urgently retested swabs were taken from 500 returned travellers who have arrived in the state since November 22.

The parents, who are both fully vaccinated, have tested positive to COVID-19 and are currently undergoing genomic testing to confirm if they are also positive to the new variant.

I was on a train in Chatswood a few days ago, and Speedy Jnr every day this week.

well at least something good might have come from the pandemic

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/south-dubbo-pirmary-school-fire-damages-four-classrooms/100670518

people will be better equipped for online learning and other disruptions to “usual” routine

some of the jokers out there will tell us we’re being unfair that when Mark says something like this

Premier Mark McGowan says United States-based white supremacist groups are spreading misinformation online to cause fear about COVID-19 vaccinations in remote Aboriginal communities in Western Australia.

we’re pretty fully believing him but if the Corruption Coalition were to make similar sounding claims, we’d call bullshit

SCIENCE said:

some of the jokers out there will tell us we’re being unfair that when Mark says something like this

Premier Mark McGowan says United States-based white supremacist groups are spreading misinformation online to cause fear about COVID-19 vaccinations in remote Aboriginal communities in Western Australia.

we’re pretty fully believing him but if the Corruption Coalition were to make similar sounding claims, we’d call bullshit

I have heard a couple of reliable reports of aboriginal activists spreading misinformation in remote Aboriginal communities. That was quite a few decades ago.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

some of the jokers out there will tell us we’re being unfair that when Mark says something like this

Premier Mark McGowan says United States-based white supremacist groups are spreading misinformation online to cause fear about COVID-19 vaccinations in remote Aboriginal communities in Western Australia.

we’re pretty fully believing him but if the Corruption Coalition were to make similar sounding claims, we’d call bullshit

I have heard a couple of reliable reports of aboriginal activists spreading misinformation in remote Aboriginal communities. That was quite a few decades ago.

So two nutty Aboriginals in a population of 700,000? The rest of us should be so lucky.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

some of the jokers out there will tell us we’re being unfair that when Mark says something like this

Premier Mark McGowan says United States-based white supremacist groups are spreading misinformation online to cause fear about COVID-19 vaccinations in remote Aboriginal communities in Western Australia.

we’re pretty fully believing him but if the Corruption Coalition were to make similar sounding claims, we’d call bullshit

I have heard a couple of reliable reports of aboriginal activists spreading misinformation in remote Aboriginal communities. That was quite a few decades ago.

So two nutty Aboriginals in a population of 700,000? The rest of us should be so lucky.

Lucky, lucky, lucky.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I have heard a couple of reliable reports of aboriginal activists spreading misinformation in remote Aboriginal communities. That was quite a few decades ago.

So two nutty Aboriginals in a population of 700,000? The rest of us should be so lucky.

Lucky, lucky, lucky.

:)

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

I have heard a couple of reliable reports of aboriginal activists spreading misinformation in remote Aboriginal communities. That was quite a few decades ago.

So two nutty Aboriginals in a population of 700,000? The rest of us should be so lucky.

Lucky, lucky, lucky.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer references, now this…

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So two nutty Aboriginals in a population of 700,000? The rest of us should be so lucky.

Lucky, lucky, lucky.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer references, now this…

It’s the dementia.

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Lucky, lucky, lucky.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer references, now this…

It’s the dementia.

yet the bits you remember seem to be from 20 years ago

;)

The 12-month adjusted all-cause mortality risk was significantly higher for patients with severe COVID-19 compared to both COVID-19 negative patients (HR 2.50; 95% CI 2.02, 3.09) and mild COVID-19 patients (HR 1.87; 95% CI 1.28, 2.74). The vast majority of deaths (79.5%) were for causes other than respiratory or cardiovascular conditions. Among patients aged <65 years, the pattern was similar but the mortality risk for patients with severe COVID-19 was increased compared to both COVID-19 negative patients (HR 3.33; 95% CI 2.35, 4.73) and mild COVID-19 patients (HR 2.83; 95% CI 1.59, 5.04). Patients aged 65 and older with severe COVID-19 were also at increased 12-month mortality risk compared to COVID-19 negative patients (HR 2.17; 95% CI 1.66, 2.84) but not mild COVID-19 patients (HR 1.41; 95% CI 0.84, 2.34).

Must have been those preexisting conditions, seeing as most of the deaths would have occurred more than 30 days out of any coronavirus infection.

after watching the news today, absorbing the covid enthusiasm, it crossed my mind ET probably will never visit now, the friendly ETs

the less friendly ETs have likely been encouraged though

transition said:

after watching the news today, absorbing the covid enthusiasm, it crossed my mind ET probably will never visit now, the friendly ETs

the less friendly ETs have likely been encouraged though

I read the news today, oh boy…

Elective surgery patients may require a negative COVID-19 test in the 72 hours before their procedures under options being discussed within Queensland Health to reduce the risk of hospital transmission.

It has been that way in NSW for a while.

I had to show a negative test result in order to gain admission to hospital for surgery.

roughbarked said:

Elective surgery patients may require a negative COVID-19 test in the 72 hours before their procedures under options being discussed within Queensland Health to reduce the risk of hospital transmission.

It has been that way in NSW for a while.

I had to show a negative test result in order to gain admission to hospital for surgery.

freedom hey

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

:( Terrible news.

What needs to happen in the household now?

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

:( Terrible news.

What needs to happen in the household now?

FIIK. Feed her through a crack under her bedroom door.

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

damn.

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

:( Terrible news.

What needs to happen in the household now?

FIIK. Feed her through a crack under her bedroom door.

Did she have symptoms or was this routine testing?

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

:( Terrible news.

What needs to happen in the household now?

FIIK. Feed her through a crack under her bedroom door.

so no changes then?

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

damn.

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

:( Terrible news.

What needs to happen in the household now?

FIIK. Feed her through a crack under her bedroom door.

Did she have symptoms or was this routine testing?

Was told that she’d been close to someone infected and told to get a test. It’s actually happened at two of her jobs in the last few days, the testing station one and a bar she works at.

diddly-squat said:

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

:( Terrible news.

What needs to happen in the household now?

FIIK. Feed her through a crack under her bedroom door.

so no changes then?

THIS :)

sibeen said:

Speedy said:

sibeen said:

FIIK. Feed her through a crack under her bedroom door.

Did she have symptoms or was this routine testing?

Was told that she’d been close to someone infected and told to get a test. It’s actually happened at two of her jobs in the last few days, the testing station one and a bar she works at.

Well, at least there’s the early testing. Hopefully it was caught before she could pass it on. Seems you are going to be a bit busier for a little while trying to manage this situation.

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

That’s not too good, I presume she’s had the jabs.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

That’s not too good, I presume she’s had the jabs.

She won’t need a booster now.

transition said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

transition said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

I wonder whether barring unvaccinated people from all indoors (including supermarkets) would work. If I were vaccinated, I’d get pretty sick of helping my unvaxxed friends getting their groceries. Or I could start a delivery business.

I reckon it’s nearly time to just forget about the unvaccinated. I don’t know how the rates are going elsewhere, but here where I live we are >95% double dosed. So I’m inclined to think “and the devil take the hindmost” about them.

there’s no reminder in that, nothing at all that is likely to take a fully vaccinated person to the reality they don’t actually know for sure they are protected, or to what extent, and so many other things are obliviated, it perhaps qualifies as more a correct thought than thinking

consider for a moment a high number of vax slow people are actually saying no to endemic covid, rather than going along with vax-as-a-vote-to-endemic-covid, and the reality on the ground has been that delays to high vaccination rates have slowed the program of endemic covid, and it is a program, no question about that

it could be said the tolerance-turned-enthusiasm for endemic covid has killed and maimed not a few, if it’s not millions already i’d be surprised, it could be ten million or more, who knows

data representing the casualties of vax-as-a-vote-to-endemic-covid is likely to get swamped by data supporting the program, and it does

the contribution of vaccinators (i’ll call them), of which where there is also enthusiasm for endemic covid, is probably no less pretty regard mortality and morbidity than the contribution of anti-vaxers, whatever it is i’d assume that it’s not insubstantial

i’m for high vaccination levels + elimination (maintaining the objective of the latter, for the moment)

it may seem rational to point at unvaccinated people regard covid troubles, lend to an appealing belief, but i’d expect not a few of them are against endemic covid, against the program

and fairly clearly the vax slow people that are against endemic covid, are pro elimination, aren’t responsible for the program of endemic covid, or responsible for the casualties of vax-as-a-vote-to-endemic-covid

there is also a lot of people more aligned with vax-as-a-vote-to-eliminate

but as as things so often go with human views, the intention of a view gets its force from negation, an art the media brings to us everyday, that all are encouraged to emulate, which has a native appeal to many

Completely incomprehensible.

agree.

of course it is, you’d need consider negation, it’s not exactly a natural endeavor, given that’s what propositions held in minds tend to often do, they don’t don’t much study their own negation

this proposition vax-as-a-vote-to-endemic-covid

negates vax-as-a-vote-to-eliminate

well to be fair they’re right, we mean

95% of the eligible population have had 2 doses, so fuck the rest, the idiots who refuse and the ineligible, it’s their own fault for being too stupid or young or sick or inaccessible to get shot, the rest of us have convenience to make them pay for, fuck’em

we also mean

it’s not like it matters too much anyway hey, given the new variants are showing off their 60% reduction in vaccine effectiveness, everyone might as well be unshot anyway

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

damn.

+1

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

damn.

+ bugger

Back from getting tested. I’m in quarantine for at least 7 days.

We’ve all been double jabbed.

sibeen said:

Back from getting tested. I’m in quarantine for at least 7 days.

We’ve all been double jabbed.

So where is the daughter now?

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Back from getting tested. I’m in quarantine for at least 7 days.

We’ve all been double jabbed.

So where is the daughter now?

Upstairs, in her room. She has her own ensuite so except for food she’s self-contained.

Omicron COVID-19 variant is spreading in the community after a school student who hasn’t travelled overseas was confirmed as the state’s ninth case.

One student at Regents Park Christian School has tested positive and two are possible cases

The Health Minister said there was no evidence Omicron was more severe than other variants

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oh sorry what was that we thought it was meant to be no evidence Omicron was even as severe as other variants, well what about that eh soon it’ll be no evidence Omicron is vaccine preventable welcome back to 2020 laugh out loud

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

:(

Best wishes to elder sprog and the entire family.

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

Bloody.

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

How is she handling it?

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

Bloody.

it’s not ebola HF though

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

How is she handling it?

It’s her birthday in a week, so she’s over the moon with joy.

SCIENCE said:

95% of the eligible population have had 2 doses, so fuck the rest, the idiots who refuse and the ineligible, it’s their own fault for being too stupid or young or sick or inaccessible to get shot, the rest of us have convenience to make them pay for, fuck’em

we also mean

it’s not like it matters too much anyway hey, given the new variants are showing off their 60% reduction in vaccine effectiveness, everyone might as well be unshot anyway

oops better rush for flock immunity again

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

How is she handling it?

It’s her birthday in a week, so she’s over the moon with joy.

Oh dear.

laugh out loud

“South Africa and Botswana should be thanked for detecting, sequencing and reporting this variant; not penalised,” WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at the opening of the 74th World Health Assembly.

“Indeed, Omicron demonstrates just why the world needs a new accord on pandemics.

“Our current system disincentivises countries from alerting others to threats that will inevitably land on their shores.”

no way cuz actually now is the best time to demand another investigation into its origins

laugh out loud

When Austria became the first European country to make Covid vaccines compulsory, the “drastic” rule left many citizens stunned. But in the weeks since the bombshell announcement was made, more and more nations have introduced similar measures – or dropped major clues that the controversial rule was on the cards. And with Europe now in the grip of yet another crushing Covid wave amid stagnating vaccination rates, and the new Omicron variant wreaking fresh havoc globally, it seems likely the vaccine mandate trend will be here to stay.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/vaccine-mandates-spread-across-europe-and-beyond-as-covid-surge-wreaks-havoc/news-story/42d9f7218ef67f4a5b9aa7e1f57b7f77

we mean what better time to start making vaccines compulsory, than only after a variant appears that makes them 60% ineffective

ask us again if all those fucking arseholes out there aren’t deliberately trying to derail any possible infection control measure that might actually keep people healthy

lookin’good

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7362815/

We describe a man whose first manifestations of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease occurred in tandem with symptomatic onset of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Drawing from recent data on prion disease pathogenesis and immune responses to SARS-CoV-2, we hypothesize that the cascade of systemic inflammatory mediators in response to the virus accelerated the pathogenesis of our patient’s prion disease. This hypothesis introduces the potential relationship between immune responses to the novel coronavirus and the hastening of preclinical or manifest neurodegenerative disorders. The global prevalence of both COVID-19 and neurodegenerative disorders adds urgency to the study of this potential relationship.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Elder sprog has corona. She works at a testing facility and appears she may have got it from there.

How is she handling it?

It’s her birthday in a week, so she’s over the moon with joy.

Poor kid. They haven’t had much luck with birthdays this year.

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Her intention was to mislead, so they called it accurately.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Her intention was to mislead, so they called it accurately.

No, they are not fact checking her intentions they are fact checking a quote.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Her intention was to mislead, so they called it accurately.

No, they are not fact checking her intentions they are fact checking a quote.

…a quote in the context of what she was communicating, which was the idea that vaccinations aren’t as worthwhile as the experts claim, because “more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed”.

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Please explain the difference between “True but more to it” and “misleading”. Surely the fact that it’s true but there’s more to it is why they labelled it _misleading rather than FALSE.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Please explain the difference between “True but more to it” and “misleading”. Surely the fact that it’s true but there’s more to it is why they labelled it _misleading rather than FALSE.

ABC shill!!!!

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Please explain the difference between “True but more to it” and “misleading”. Surely the fact that it’s true but there’s more to it is why they labelled it _misleading rather than FALSE.

They found this “In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Misleading and it is not according to Fact Checks own data.

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

My immediate thought was…80% of the deaths were vaccinated, 20% were unvaccinated. I wonder what percentage of people are vaccinated in England now…so I read the link. And indeed the answer lies there along with prioritization of the vulnerable in the early stages of vaccination.

Gotta love statistics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/bhps-vaccine-mandate-unlawful-fair-work-commission-finds/100673390

Hmmm

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Please explain the difference between “True but more to it” and “misleading”. Surely the fact that it’s true but there’s more to it is why they labelled it _misleading rather than FALSE.

OTOOH, maybe the group who have most deaths have a much higher vaccination rate.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

Please explain the difference between “True but more to it” and “misleading”. Surely the fact that it’s true but there’s more to it is why they labelled it _misleading rather than FALSE.

They found this “In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Misleading and it is not according to Fact Checks own data.

Why are you now saying that it isn’t misleading when before you said it was true but there’s more to it, in other words, misleading?

Peak Warming Man said:

Was just reading an ABC Fact Check that the ABC did on something Pauline Hanson said.

“Despite failing to win approval in parliament for her anti-vaccination mandate bill in recent weeks, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is continuing to campaign against such measures, speaking at a so-called “freedom” rally last weekend in Broadwater, Queensland.

“In England, now it’s stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed,” Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. “It is a fact.”
The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.
However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.”

1. If the figures given by Fact Check are correct then so is Hanson and the ABC should never have stamped that quote as being MISLEADING.
2. They should have said True But There’s More To it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/coronacheck-covid-19-uk-death-statistics-pauline-hanson/100669454

read some convincing more-to-it-explanations regard that, to do with age and risk, tends to swing the numbers to look like vaccination is killing people, which it isn’t, not directly anyway

what I didn’t see in any of the explanations, was that vaccination and the sense of immunity (and impunity) motivates the more gregarious covid host vehicles to swap breathable air

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

South Australia’s parliament will be adjourned on Thursday morning, and all MPs and staff directed to avoid in-person meetings, after former premier Jay Weatherill tested positive for COVID-19.

Successfully Lived With

Yep…he isn’t dead. So by definition, he’s living with it.

we apologise for misunderstanding the meaning of the psychopaths when they used the idea of “Living With Mild Head Colds” and we thought they implied it was a way to get back to Normal but true, we suppose avoidance of in-person meetings and adjournment of parliament in such a way seems pretty Normal oh well

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1465364300936085506

What’s being said but left unsaid here is this, and you’d do well to be aware of it.

If B.1.1.529 is smashing immunity with its spike mutations, but it doesn’t have the B.1.617.2 non-spike massive infectivity mutations, then all it’s going to take is a couple of coinfections in jokers who are out COVID-19-partying for a good catch, and viral recombination means you’re all even more fucked¡ And who doesn’t like a good being completely fucked¿

what if the virus evolves past immunity to previous strains

interesting article, has stuff like

https://www.ft.com/content/27def1b9-b9c8-47a5-8e06-72e432e0838f

The chief executive of Moderna has predicted that existing vaccines will be much less effective at tackling Omicron than earlier strains of coronavirus and warned it would take months before pharmaceutical companies could manufacture new variant-specific jabs at scale. Stéphane Bancel said the high number of Omicron mutations on the spike protein, which the virus uses to infect human cells, and the rapid spread of the variant in South Africa suggested that the current crop of vaccines may need to be modified next year. A Stanford University study of a Delta outbreak at a California prison published last month found that Moderna’s jab was 56.6 per cent effective against infection — substantially lower than the level in studies conducted before the emergence of the variant, the researchers said.

Laugh Out Loud

oh also

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

what if the virus evolves past immunity to previous strains

interesting article, has stuff like

https://www.ft.com/content/27def1b9-b9c8-47a5-8e06-72e432e0838f

The chief executive of Moderna has predicted that existing vaccines will be much less effective at tackling Omicron than earlier strains of coronavirus and warned it would take months before pharmaceutical companies could manufacture new variant-specific jabs at scale. Stéphane Bancel said the high number of Omicron mutations on the spike protein, which the virus uses to infect human cells, and the rapid spread of the variant in South Africa suggested that the current crop of vaccines may need to be modified next year. A Stanford University study of a Delta outbreak at a California prison published last month found that Moderna’s jab was 56.6 per cent effective against infection — substantially lower than the level in studies conducted before the emergence of the variant, the researchers said.

Laugh Out Loud

oh also

It’s going to be needles, needles and more needles all the way down.

Meanwhile don’t let anyone breathe on you.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

South Australia’s parliament will be adjourned on Thursday morning, and all MPs and staff directed to avoid in-person meetings, after former premier Jay Weatherill tested positive for COVID-19.

Successfully Lived With

Yep…he isn’t dead. So by definition, he’s living with it.

we apologise for misunderstanding the meaning of the psychopaths when they used the idea of “Living With Mild Head Colds” and we thought they implied it was a way to get back to Normal but true, we suppose avoidance of in-person meetings and adjournment of parliament in such a way seems pretty Normal oh well

arsonists running the fire station

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

up to 13 apparently

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/omicron-cluster-at-western-sydney-school-grows/100671290

Posted 10h ago10 hours ago, updated 2h ago

The number of Omicron cases in NSW has risen to 13

Three students at Regents Park Christian School have tested positive and 10 more are possible cases

here you go this might even rough up the corrupt out there and convince them to not wait until 2022 to protect LIFE, nah, unlikely

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/act-covid-19-omicron-detected-canberra/100673696

SWMBO and I just received our results from yesterday’s test; we’re both negative :)

The diseased elder sprog will definitely be kept in her room and fed gruel.

sibeen said:

SWMBO and I just received our results from yesterday’s test; we’re both negative :)

The diseased elder sprog will definitely be kept in her room and fed gruel.

Hmm. Make sure that infected gruel doesn’t seep back under the crack.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO and I just received our results from yesterday’s test; we’re both negative :)

The diseased elder sprog will definitely be kept in her room and fed gruel.

Hmm. Make sure that infected gruel doesn’t seep back under the crack.

Under Victorian rules I still have to quarantine for another 6 days.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO and I just received our results from yesterday’s test; we’re both negative :)

The diseased elder sprog will definitely be kept in her room and fed gruel.

Hmm. Make sure that infected gruel doesn’t seep back under the crack.

Under Victorian rules I still have to quarantine for another 6 days.

Who’s going to do the shopping?

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Hmm. Make sure that infected gruel doesn’t seep back under the crack.

Under Victorian rules I still have to quarantine for another 6 days.

Who’s going to do the shopping?

Get it delivered.

We Said,

But when you step back, both states have actually followed a fairly similar trajectory since their lockdowns eased. The key difference?

When Sydney left its lockdown behind on October 11, the state reported 496 new infections. When Melbourne exited its lockdown ten days later, Victoria reported 2,189 new cases. Since then, the seven-day average for new infections in both states has dropped, before stabilising into a plateau.

Anyway, laterszch.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

SWMBO and I just received our results from yesterday’s test; we’re both negative :)

The diseased elder sprog will definitely be kept in her room and fed gruel.

Hmm. Make sure that infected gruel doesn’t seep back under the crack.

Under Victorian rules I still have to quarantine for another 6 days.

Unclean! Unclean! rings bell. Unclean! Unclean!

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Hmm. Make sure that infected gruel doesn’t seep back under the crack.

Under Victorian rules I still have to quarantine for another 6 days.

Unclean! Unclean! rings bell. Unclean! Unclean!

Shouldn’t he paint a red cross on his door, or will his neighbours do that after they nail it shut?

Victorian ‘footy festival’ expected to draw hundreds of thousands for AFL season launch

Wondering how this will affect the daily new cases lists?

roughbarked said:

Victorian ‘footy festival’ expected to draw hundreds of thousands for AFL season launch

Wondering how this will affect the daily new cases lists?

positively

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

sibeen said:

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

How’s she feeling today?

sibeen said:

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

That is why the Government acting on the advice from health advisors, does not recommend them.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

How’s she feeling today?

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

How’s she feeling today?

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

Wish her well and congratulate her on her youth.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

How’s she feeling today?

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

Go and give her a big hug.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

How’s she feeling today?

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

Go and give her a big hug.

Now now, stop that.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Not impressed with the rapid test kits I got on Thursday. Both Elder Sprog and her boss used them and got a negative result. They both came back with a positive result from the government testing.

How’s she feeling today?

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

Bad night with symptoms, or bad night with anxiety?

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

How’s she feeling today?

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

Bad night with symptoms, or bad night with anxiety?

Symptoms, but i suspect some of that was anxiety.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

Had a bit of a bad night but is feeling OK today.

Bad night with symptoms, or bad night with anxiety?

Symptoms, but i suspect some of that was anxiety.

Suspect that suspicions could be easily confirmed.

Is this our first forum-related Covid case?

party_pants said:

Is this our first forum-related Covid case?

It would appear so unless any lurker is keeping schtum.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Is this our first forum-related Covid case?

It would appear so unless any lurker is keeping schtum.

DV lost some of his Indonesian peoples.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Is this our first forum-related Covid case?

It would appear so unless any lurker is keeping schtum.

DV lost some of his Indonesian peoples.

Was about to chime in with that.

Something that may appear relevant in comparison to how we have dealt with the pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6clYpKVk4g

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

It would appear so unless any lurker is keeping schtum.

DV lost some of his Indonesian peoples.

Was about to chime in with that.

Where is DV at mo?

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

sibeen said:

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

Contact tracing at its best.

sibeen said:

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

Ihope she gets over it promptly and it doesn’t spread to the rest of you.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

Ihope she gets over it promptly and it doesn’t spread to the rest of you.

I do give credit to the fact that the ‘been has been well trained by Boris.

roughbarked said:

Something that may appear relevant in comparison to how we have dealt with the pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6clYpKVk4g

Paradise salad, you know like seven days on the counter.. https://youtu.be/F6clYpKVk4g?t=827

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

Ihope she gets over it promptly and it doesn’t spread to the rest of you.

+1; also hope she avoids long covid.

btm said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

Ihope she gets over it promptly and it doesn’t spread to the rest of you.

+1; also hope she avoids long covid.

sadly, that isn’t a given and that she has longer to live with it.

New Zealand becomes exporter of bioterrorism

The Cook Islands has recorded its first case of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, as the South Pacific country edges toward reopening its borders to tourists. The Island’s first case is believed to have flown in from New Zealand

Lessons are never learnt, especially at school gyms

NSW Health authorities are focusing their investigation on a Sydney indoor climbing gym as the number of Omicron cases grows. Students from Regents Park Christian School visited the gym in November 27 … The school has a cluster of 13 cases

Foreign interference agents and local fascists continue to trade with corrupt parliamentarians

Thousands of demonstrators have met in Melbourne CBD to protest against Victoria’s new pandemic legislation, which passed through Parliament during the week. The state recorded 1,365 new local COVID-19 cases and nine deaths a day earlier … A similar demonstration of about 1,000 people took place in Perth

QLD welcomes bioterrorism

Queensland has recorded seven new cases of COVID-19 overnight — two acquired overseas in hotel quarantine, two from interstate and three acquired locally. “We will absolutely get to a point in Australia that COVID is just another infectious disease that we’re managing, that everyone’s going off and getting their boosters like we get our flu shots and we are managing it in our community,” Ms D’Ath said. “We’re just at the start of opening up, we will have cases we will have many cases every day.

as does SA

SA borders to stay open despite Premier being ‘extraordinarily concerned’ about COVID-19 Omicron variant

btm said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

At least with her boss at the bar being confirmed as positive we now know where she got it.

Ihope she gets over it promptly and it doesn’t spread to the rest of you.

+1; also hope she avoids long covid.

She now tells me that she’s lost her sense of smell.

SCIENCE said:

Except in China. They had the right idea. Slap an impenetrable quarantine barrier around the country, around Hubei, and around all Covid cases.

And start emergency vaccination in June 2020.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Except in China. They had the right idea. Slap an impenetrable quarantine barrier around the country, around Hubei, and around all Covid cases.

And start emergency vaccination in June 2020.

Well c’m‘on now, you can hardly blame Australia for not having had the SARS experience to learn from 17 years ago because cover-up-countries managed to live with maximally suppress eliminate fucking shut it the fuck down before it reached our shores, it’s all their bloody communist fault, they should have taught us a lesson in the first place.

sibeen said:

btm said:

sarahs mum said:

Ihope she gets over it promptly and it doesn’t spread to the rest of you.

+1; also hope she avoids long covid.

She now tells me that she’s lost her sense of smell.

That was the only symptom my son’s half brother had when he got COVID early in the pandemic in New York.

so-called expert who knows nothing

probably faked by

https://www.axios.com/south-africa-covid-cases-omicron-6a9bff73-3826-46c4-9171-9a6ed712b84a.html

alarmist

SCIENCE said:

probably faked by

https://www.axios.com/south-africa-covid-cases-omicron-6a9bff73-3826-46c4-9171-9a6ed712b84a.html

They’re not run by anyone called Gladys, are they?

SCIENCE said:

alarmist

Has he learnt nothing from the example of Dr. Li Wenliang?

He was another alarmist, who tried to send a message to fellow medics about the outbreak at the end of December 2019. Three days later police paid him a visit and told him to stop. He returned to work and caught the virus from a patient. He had been in hospital for at least three weeks.

He was eventually summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of “making false comments” that had “severely disturbed the social order”.

“We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice – is that understood?” Underneath in Dr Li’s handwriting is written: “Yes, I do.”

Frickin’ doctors, upsetting the social order.
He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for “spreading rumours”.

ahahahahahahahah

oh wait

ahahahahahahahahahaha

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahah

oh wait

ahahahahahahahahahaha

Gosh, i am so hoping that Dr. Darin discovers a new disease.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahah

oh wait

ahahahahahahahahahaha

Gosh, i am so hoping that Dr. Darin discovers a new disease.

I wonder if he’s ever had a complaint.

meanwhile this stupid so-called expert actually believes that viruses can’t break the laws of physics

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/liberal-senator-alex-antic-taken-to-medihotel-by-police-over-vaccination-status/news-story/429269cbca3f45af391d57f9217ee5d9

SCIENCE said:

probably faked by

https://www.axios.com/south-africa-covid-cases-omicron-6a9bff73-3826-46c4-9171-9a6ed712b84a.html

more contagious, even more reason to let it go, eventually it might seed clouds, help with global warming

Junior sprog is on schoolies and that finishes tomorrow. We explained to her that if she comes home she’ll have to quarantine with teh rest of us and no going out boozing. Let’s just say that there’s been a mad scramble for alternate accommodation :)

sibeen said:

Junior sprog is on schoolies and that finishes tomorrow. We explained to her that if she comes home she’ll have to quarantine with teh rest of us and no going out boozing. Let’s just say that there’s been a mad scramble for alternate accommodation :)

Please send her some more emergency funding.

transition said:

see a corona dispersion event happening in SA, cough or outbreak in the proper language

bit like a farmer sneaking over to a neighbors and grabbing a sheep with lice and dropping it in his own clean flock, so he can reach equilibrium lice with his neighbor, and in future all bidirection infections sort of become less significant

the idea works, sure, but it’s unbelievably fucken dumb

oh c’m‘on now be serious

this is simple Living With, this is the Only Way To Live, it’s the New Normal, it’s Flock Immunity, it’s the final solution

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

interesting article, has stuff like

https://www.ft.com/content/27def1b9-b9c8-47a5-8e06-72e432e0838f

The chief executive of Moderna has predicted that existing vaccines will be much less effective at tackling Omicron than earlier strains of coronavirus and warned it would take months before pharmaceutical companies could manufacture new variant-specific jabs at scale. Stéphane Bancel said the high number of Omicron mutations on the spike protein, which the virus uses to infect human cells, and the rapid spread of the variant in South Africa suggested that the current crop of vaccines may need to be modified next year. A Stanford University study of a Delta outbreak at a California prison published last month found that Moderna’s jab was 56.6 per cent effective against infection — substantially lower than the level in studies conducted before the emergence of the variant, the researchers said.

Laugh Out Loud

oh also

It’s going to be needles, needles and more needles all the way down.

Meanwhile don’t let anyone breathe on you.

Palmer says her team found Omicron may have been created by what’s called a “recombination” – a supercharged love child of the early Alpha variant plus Delta, something that has not been found in SARS-CoV-2 until now.

“We’re very, very concerned,” Palmer says, relaying the discovery with a calm and measured voice that belies its seriousness. “It indicates that possibly we could see that variants can recombine and if somebody is infected with two variants there could be a recombination that could lead to a more pathogenic and infectious virus.”

Laugh Out Loud Again

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Again

Not sure I see the funny side in all of this.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Again

Not sure I see the funny side in all of this.

Me neither.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Again

Not sure I see the funny side in all of this.

Me neither.

maybe the LOL is a derisive LOL?

ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Not sure I see the funny side in all of this.

Me neither.

maybe the LOL is a derisive LOL?

Or a “have-to-laugh-else-you’d-cry” LOL.

ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Not sure I see the funny side in all of this.

Me neither.

maybe the LOL is a derisive LOL?

Howls of derisive laughter, Bruce.

Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

Me neither.

maybe the LOL is a derisive LOL?

Or a “have-to-laugh-else-you’d-cry” LOL.

Just a cynicker, some might say.

Anyway, good news, soon all school age children will be connected to the internet of things and have 5G tracking enabled so we’ll have another one go missing ever again.

Therapeutic Goods Administration provisionally approves Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for 5-11-year age group

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-05/tga-approves-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-5-11-year-olds/100675138

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:

maybe the LOL is a derisive LOL?

Or a “have-to-laugh-else-you’d-cry” LOL.

Just a cynicker, some might say.

Anyway, good news, soon all school age children will be connected to the internet of things and have 5G tracking enabled so we’ll have another one go missing ever again.

Therapeutic Goods Administration provisionally approves Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for 5-11-year age group

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-05/tga-approves-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-for-5-11-year-olds/100675138

This is a Very Good Thing.

How Good Is COVID-19¿

It Kills People Before They’re Able To Do It To Themselves

oh wait we thought the fascist fuckwits were telling us that suicides would increase

SCIENCE said:

New Zealand becomes exporter of bioterrorism

The Cook Islands has recorded its first case of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, as the South Pacific country edges toward reopening its borders to tourists. The Island’s first case is believed to have flown in from New Zealand

so-called expert, what a joke, everyone knows we have to, we want to, we love to die with COVID-19, it’s necessary to convenience the 25000 CorruptionCoalitionCronies who want to fly around casually by forcing restrictive infection control measures on the other 25000000 citizens in the country

per Forum protocol we haven’t fact checked but if we did we’d probably LTFOL

remember how days into a B.1.1.529 outbreak the geniuses all tell us that it’s mild, there haven’t been many hospitalisations or any deaths, because it’s milder than previous strains that take … weeks … to make people more unwell

nah this couldn’t possibly be happening oh wait

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

oh also

It’s going to be needles, needles and more needles all the way down.

Meanwhile don’t let anyone breathe on you.

Palmer says her team found Omicron may have been created by what’s called a “recombination” – a supercharged love child of the early Alpha variant plus Delta, something that has not been found in SARS-CoV-2 until now.

“We’re very, very concerned,” Palmer says, relaying the discovery with a calm and measured voice that belies its seriousness. “It indicates that possibly we could see that variants can recombine and if somebody is infected with two variants there could be a recombination that could lead to a more pathogenic and infectious virus.”

Laugh Out Loud Again

probably something that is missing, courtesy the program and enthusiasm for endemic covid, are reliable projections of what is a level of prevalence of infection that is manageable, projections of mutation probability, probability of emergent strains of concern

absent because it’s inconvenient in some way, helps I suppose not to be too irrationally imaginative, wander off from the comforts of easily shared reality

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

obviously you want to get to The End faster you idiots, just Let It Rip®, fuck them

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

obviously you want to get to The End faster you idiots, just Let It Rip®, fuck them

relentless it is, has the feel of advertising everywhere, so effective I reckon you could sneeze the shit into jars and sell it

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

I have highlighted the answer for you.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

I have highlighted the answer for you.

right but don’t these viruses naturally become more mild the more they spread and mutate over time, this is an Excellent Thing and it should be encouraged

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

obviously you want to get to The End faster you idiots, just Let It Rip®, fuck them

relentless it is, has the feel of advertising everywhere, so effective I reckon you could sneeze the shit into jars and sell it

in fact i’ve near been convinced omicron is the cure for delta, and an end to the entire pandemic (humor intended)

transition said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

obviously you want to get to The End faster you idiots, just Let It Rip®, fuck them

relentless it is, has the feel of advertising everywhere, so effective I reckon you could sneeze the shit into jars and sell it

in fact i’ve near been convinced omicron is the cure for delta, and an end to the entire pandemic (humor intended)

this so-called “expert” called it 4 months ago hey

“Endemicity” is not a way out, it is a way IN.

Chairman Dan Becomes Corruption Dan

Join That Gutless Party ¡

also some good news, soon cases will decrease and not from lack of testing

but its effectiveness

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

quelle surprise

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

transition said:

relentless it is, has the feel of advertising everywhere, so effective I reckon you could sneeze the shit into jars and sell it

in fact i’ve near been convinced omicron is the cure for delta, and an end to the entire pandemic (humor intended)

this so-called “expert” called it 4 months ago hey

“Endemicity” is not a way out, it is a way IN.

it’s all so wonderful, helps destroy regional cultures, even modest differences become subject to global forces, everyone is to worship globalism

everyone shall work, and nobody shall work against endemic covid

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

I have highlighted the answer for you.

right but don’t these viruses naturally become more mild the more they spread and mutate over time, this is an Excellent Thing and it should be encouraged

“In general”, yes. But there is also the second reason they mentioned.

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

quelle surprise

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

Dark Orange said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

quelle surprise

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

quelle surprise

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

Oh dear. How many brain cells will I lose watching this?

Dark Orange said:

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

Oh dear. How many brain cells will I lose watching this?

Dark Orange said:

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

Oh dear. How many brain cells will I lose watching this?

well, they can’t even spell sensor correctly so…

ChrispenEvan said:

Dark Orange said:

Tamb said:

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

Oh dear. How many brain cells will I lose watching this?

well, they can’t even spell sensor correctly so…

A nanocensor is a very small robot that shouts at you.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

what the fuck call yourselves experts sure thing

If it does overtake Delta, Professor Rosendaal said there could be advantages if it produces milder symptoms. “It’s one of the theories how the Spanish flu disappeared, that there may have been a variant that was more contagious, but less ‘ill-making’,” Professor Rosendaal said.

However, even if that is the case with Omicron, it would take some time before the world sees the benefits. “Even if it’s more contagious and has a slightly lower mortality risk, or risk of making people severely ill … in the short term, there would be more people in the hospital, there would be more people dying,” Dr Rosendaal said. “It’s only at the end that a thing like that would be good.”

Professor Rosendaal says in the meantime, the international community needs to cooperate to reduce transmission and the risk of mutation that comes with it.

why the hell would you want to reduce transmission of something you think would end better

I have highlighted the answer for you.

right but don’t these viruses naturally become more mild the more they spread and mutate over time, this is an Excellent Thing and it should be encouraged

“In general”, yes. But there is also the second reason they mentioned.

oh no no no no no but you see they don’t understand

the very way the natural phenomenon of milding happens is by natural selection of the hosts, you actually want more people in the hospital, so more people can get out of hospital by dying, that’s the goal

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

quelle surprise

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

>>>……nanocensor

Is this a tiny thing that stops a person from seeing or saying naughty things?

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Dark Orange said:

This is good news, and an indicator that a post-covid world will contain an increased proportion of the intelligent and compassionate.

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

>>>……nanocensor

Is this a tiny thing that stops a person from seeing or saying naughty things?

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

The latest madness: https://rumble.com/vq6red-moderna-patent-uncovers-horror-nanocensor-contained-in-bioweapon..html

>>>……nanocensor

Is this a tiny thing that stops a person from seeing or saying naughty things?

No. That would be a Nanna censor.

covering a lot of territory, possibly misunderstanding functionalized graphene oxide, for delivery and adjuvant

transition said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

>>>……nanocensor

Is this a tiny thing that stops a person from seeing or saying naughty things?

No. That would be a Nanna censor.

covering a lot of territory, possibly misunderstanding functionalized graphene oxide, for delivery and adjuvant

But she’s a doctor!
(of Naturopathy)

Dark Orange said:

transition said:

Tamb said:

No. That would be a Nanna censor.

covering a lot of territory, possibly misunderstanding functionalized graphene oxide, for delivery and adjuvant

But she’s a doctor!
(of Naturopathy)

Seen a couple of ‘NP’s over the years ( i mean, encountered them, not consulted them).

The woo-woo was strong in all of them.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

transition said:

covering a lot of territory, possibly misunderstanding functionalized graphene oxide, for delivery and adjuvant

But she’s a doctor!
(of Naturopathy)

Seen a couple of ‘NP’s over the years ( i mean, encountered them, not consulted them).

The woo-woo was strong in all of them.

Spiderlily saw one on a regular basis who actually did a good job. Would do extended consultations and was leaned more towards a holistic but woo-less approach and I was pretty impressed with her methodology and results.

Queenslanders can go to the border zone for a day visit — Brisbane to Byron for instance. You’ll need a border pass, but you won’t need a test, provided you don’t go any further than the border zone.

Here’s what Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said:

“As long as you’re fully vaccinated, and you’ve got the border pass, you’ll be able to come back in to Queensland and not need a PCR test, but only if you’re travelling within the border zone.”
———————————————————————

Bugger me, I’ve been going to the border zone for months doing exactly that so what she should have said is that there is no change to the border zone rules.
And I’ve had a gut full of being interrogated by border police every time I rock up to the border check point

Peak Warming Man said:

Queenslanders can go to the border zone for a day visit — Brisbane to Byron for instance. You’ll need a border pass, but you won’t need a test, provided you don’t go any further than the border zone.

Here’s what Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said:

“As long as you’re fully vaccinated, and you’ve got the border pass, you’ll be able to come back in to Queensland and not need a PCR test, but only if you’re travelling within the border zone.”
———————————————————————

Bugger me, I’ve been going to the border zone for months doing exactly that so what she should have said is that there is no change to the border zone rules.
And I’ve had a gut full of being interrogated by border police every time I rock up to the border check point

Does that mean I can go into the border zone for Christmas without getting tested at a NSW Health-run facility within 72 hours before I cross the border?

Or do I still need to have a valid reason for the border pass?

I thought I posted this earlier, but can’t find it so maybe I didn’t.

“Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. That’s according to a new analysis by NPR that examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.”

Ignoring the possibility that your political leanings have a greater influence on your chances of dying from covid than your comorbidities do, the data suggests that every 10% change in vaccination rates equates to 30 deaths per 100,000 head of population.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

Dark Orange said:

I thought I posted this earlier, but can’t find it so maybe I didn’t.

“Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. That’s according to a new analysis by NPR that examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.”

Ignoring the possibility that your political leanings have a greater influence on your chances of dying from covid than your comorbidities do, the data suggests that every 10% change in vaccination rates equates to 30 deaths per 100,000 head of population.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

Somebody else (CE?) did post that.

Interesting, but somewhat expected.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Queenslanders can go to the border zone for a day visit — Brisbane to Byron for instance. You’ll need a border pass, but you won’t need a test, provided you don’t go any further than the border zone.

Here’s what Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said:

“As long as you’re fully vaccinated, and you’ve got the border pass, you’ll be able to come back in to Queensland and not need a PCR test, but only if you’re travelling within the border zone.”
———————————————————————

Bugger me, I’ve been going to the border zone for months doing exactly that so what she should have said is that there is no change to the border zone rules.
And I’ve had a gut full of being interrogated by border police every time I rock up to the border check point

Does that mean I can go into the border zone for Christmas without getting tested at a NSW Health-run facility within 72 hours before I cross the border?

Or do I still need to have a valid reason for the border pass?

I’ve read all the relevant pages several times. I still can’t figure it out.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Queenslanders can go to the border zone for a day visit — Brisbane to Byron for instance. You’ll need a border pass, but you won’t need a test, provided you don’t go any further than the border zone.

Here’s what Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said:

“As long as you’re fully vaccinated, and you’ve got the border pass, you’ll be able to come back in to Queensland and not need a PCR test, but only if you’re travelling within the border zone.”
———————————————————————

Bugger me, I’ve been going to the border zone for months doing exactly that so what she should have said is that there is no change to the border zone rules.
And I’ve had a gut full of being interrogated by border police every time I rock up to the border check point

Does that mean I can go into the border zone for Christmas without getting tested at a NSW Health-run facility within 72 hours before I cross the border?

Or do I still need to have a valid reason for the border pass?

I’m not sure if the new rules cover that, as it stands you and your wife need valid reasons to enter NSW and come back. I think from the press release you might be ok with the new rules for just a visit rather than doing essential work but I’ll have a look at that later on when the new rules come up on the web site, I’ll do a dummy application. I’m hoping to get family up to the redoubt over the festive season but as it stands they would not be essential workers. I’m sweet and have been for months because it’s essential I keep an eye on my property, well it’s not really but they cant knock me back but some coppers, not many, have wanted to see proof of my ownership and address of the property etc.
I’ll let you know.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Queenslanders can go to the border zone for a day visit — Brisbane to Byron for instance. You’ll need a border pass, but you won’t need a test, provided you don’t go any further than the border zone.

Here’s what Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said:

“As long as you’re fully vaccinated, and you’ve got the border pass, you’ll be able to come back in to Queensland and not need a PCR test, but only if you’re travelling within the border zone.”
———————————————————————

Bugger me, I’ve been going to the border zone for months doing exactly that so what she should have said is that there is no change to the border zone rules.
And I’ve had a gut full of being interrogated by border police every time I rock up to the border check point

Does that mean I can go into the border zone for Christmas without getting tested at a NSW Health-run facility within 72 hours before I cross the border?

Or do I still need to have a valid reason for the border pass?

I’m not sure if the new rules cover that, as it stands you and your wife need valid reasons to enter NSW and come back. I think from the press release you might be ok with the new rules for just a visit rather than doing essential work but I’ll have a look at that later on when the new rules come up on the web site, I’ll do a dummy application. I’m hoping to get family up to the redoubt over the festive season but as it stands they would not be essential workers. I’m sweet and have been for months because it’s essential I keep an eye on my property, well it’s not really but they cant knock me back but some coppers, not many, have wanted to see proof of my ownership and address of the property etc.
I’ll let you know.

Thanks.

Various pages got updated today.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Does that mean I can go into the border zone for Christmas without getting tested at a NSW Health-run facility within 72 hours before I cross the border?

Or do I still need to have a valid reason for the border pass?

I’m not sure if the new rules cover that, as it stands you and your wife need valid reasons to enter NSW and come back. I think from the press release you might be ok with the new rules for just a visit rather than doing essential work but I’ll have a look at that later on when the new rules come up on the web site, I’ll do a dummy application. I’m hoping to get family up to the redoubt over the festive season but as it stands they would not be essential workers. I’m sweet and have been for months because it’s essential I keep an eye on my property, well it’s not really but they cant knock me back but some coppers, not many, have wanted to see proof of my ownership and address of the property etc.
I’ll let you know.

Thanks.

Various pages got updated today.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-06/queensland-reopening-nsw-covid-border-bubble-rules-explained/100677710

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m not sure if the new rules cover that, as it stands you and your wife need valid reasons to enter NSW and come back. I think from the press release you might be ok with the new rules for just a visit rather than doing essential work but I’ll have a look at that later on when the new rules come up on the web site, I’ll do a dummy application. I’m hoping to get family up to the redoubt over the festive season but as it stands they would not be essential workers. I’m sweet and have been for months because it’s essential I keep an eye on my property, well it’s not really but they cant knock me back but some coppers, not many, have wanted to see proof of my ownership and address of the property etc.
I’ll let you know.

Thanks.

Various pages got updated today.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-06/queensland-reopening-nsw-covid-border-bubble-rules-explained/100677710

Yep the ABC is saying this.
“Queensland residents – from anywhere in the state – will be able to travel into the NSW side of the border zone freely, but if they venture further south they will need to comply with the hotspot rules.
For example, a fully vaccinated Toowoomba couple can take a day trip to Byron Bay and return, but if they spent the weekend in Coffs Harbour, they will need negative test results before being permitted back over the border.”

But I’m guessing you will need a pass which will be checked at the border and questions asked.
That should all be explained when you apply for the pass.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m not sure if the new rules cover that, as it stands you and your wife need valid reasons to enter NSW and come back. I think from the press release you might be ok with the new rules for just a visit rather than doing essential work but I’ll have a look at that later on when the new rules come up on the web site, I’ll do a dummy application. I’m hoping to get family up to the redoubt over the festive season but as it stands they would not be essential workers. I’m sweet and have been for months because it’s essential I keep an eye on my property, well it’s not really but they cant knock me back but some coppers, not many, have wanted to see proof of my ownership and address of the property etc.
I’ll let you know.

Thanks.

Various pages got updated today.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-06/queensland-reopening-nsw-covid-border-bubble-rules-explained/100677710

Yeah, I just read that. So a day trip is to be OK. I wonder whether a five-day trip will be OK.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Thanks.

Various pages got updated today.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-06/queensland-reopening-nsw-covid-border-bubble-rules-explained/100677710

Yeah, I just read that. So a day trip is to be OK. I wonder whether a five-day trip will be OK.

I have to drop of one of my cars in Taree. The plan was to drive down early in the morning, meet the bloke before midday, then drive back to Coffs Harbour to stay overnight at a friend’s place. Then home the next day.
Looks like we might have to get a quick COVID test on the way home then, and also need a border pass.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Queenslanders can go to the border zone for a day visit — Brisbane to Byron for instance. You’ll need a border pass, but you won’t need a test, provided you don’t go any further than the border zone.

Here’s what Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said:

“As long as you’re fully vaccinated, and you’ve got the border pass, you’ll be able to come back in to Queensland and not need a PCR test, but only if you’re travelling within the border zone.”
———————————————————————

Bugger me, I’ve been going to the border zone for months doing exactly that so what she should have said is that there is no change to the border zone rules.
And I’ve had a gut full of being interrogated by border police every time I rock up to the border check point

Does that mean I can go into the border zone for Christmas without getting tested at a NSW Health-run facility within 72 hours before I cross the border?

Or do I still need to have a valid reason for the border pass?

I’m not sure if the new rules cover that, as it stands you and your wife need valid reasons to enter NSW and come back. I think from the press release you might be ok with the new rules for just a visit rather than doing essential work but I’ll have a look at that later on when the new rules come up on the web site, I’ll do a dummy application. I’m hoping to get family up to the redoubt over the festive season but as it stands they would not be essential workers. I’m sweet and have been for months because it’s essential I keep an eye on my property, well it’s not really but they cant knock me back but some coppers, not many, have wanted to see proof of my ownership and address of the property etc.
I’ll let you know.

During the Victorian lockdown times, when we went to get firewood, we carried a copy of the rate notice for the block in the car. We were never questioned, but we had it just in case. We weren’t going over borders, but for quite long periods of time we weren’t allowed to travel further than a certain distance from home except for essential purposes (firewood for us).

fk imagine if all states had taken their public health responsibilities seriously, then people would be COVID-19-free as well as freely travelling domestically, we mean damn public health measures are such an authoritarian violation of our human rights

guess there’s always that sweet spot like a virus that’s too lethal will actually inspire a proper public health response but if it isn’t lethal at all then there’s no need for one; a public health response that’s too shit will make people take their own protection seriously but if it’s really good then people don’t need to make up their own

SCIENCE said:

fk imagine if all states had taken their public health responsibilities seriously, then people would be COVID-19-free as well as freely travelling domestically, we mean damn public health measures are such an authoritarian violation of our human rights

lot of people are about as interested in zero covid as they are cosmic background radiation

there was a time bumping into the latter was sort of unavoidable even if you didn’t know what it was, there it was in the visual noise between used channels on your TV for example, or as your TV signal faded, evident in the visual snow and corresponding audible noise

but not so much anymore, good part of reality persists more secretly than ever, in the noise few want to know about, although are happy to contribute to

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

3x higher than non trump counties.

poikilotherm said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

3x higher than non trump counties.

It’s not unsurprising, but nonetheless very interesting.

Michael V said:

poikilotherm said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

3x higher than non trump counties.

It’s not unsurprising, but nonetheless very interesting.

so in future the Freedom Fighters will be evolutionarily immune to bad disease but the alarmist snowflakes will keep running scared, so Freedom will win again

High school reunions have always been fraught with the possibility of awkwardness. When you hold one in a pandemic, the gathering of old friends, lovers and rivals becomes infinitely trickier.

The class of 1971 from Waynesboro High School in the US state of Virginia was determined to get together, despite the threat of COVID-19. Organisers did everything they could to prevent the spread of infection. Everyone who attended needed to be fully vaccinated, with no exceptions.

oh so they held it {outdoors slash with air purifiers} plus {everyone wore N95 or better rated masks the whole time} right

¿right?

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/covid-rips-through-vaccinated-school-reunion/100676556

High school reunions have always been fraught with the possibility of awkwardness. When you hold one in a pandemic, the gathering of old friends, lovers and rivals becomes infinitely trickier.

The class of 1971 from Waynesboro High School in the US state of Virginia was determined to get together, despite the threat of COVID-19. Organisers did everything they could to prevent the spread of infection. Everyone who attended needed to be fully vaccinated, with no exceptions.

oh so they held it {outdoors slash with air purifiers} plus {everyone wore N95 or better rated masks the whole time} right

¿right?

phyxt with link

Hey MV the border zone X pass has not changed.
That’s possibly because the new rules are still a few days away and when it gets closer they may update the pass application for non essential visitors. I just did a dummy run.

Peak Warming Man said:

Hey MV the border zone X pass has not changed.
That’s possibly because the new rules are still a few days away and when it gets closer they may update the pass application for non essential visitors. I just did a dummy run.

I’m waiting for wireless multi-pass, they just look at you and send you through with nice gestures.

Peak Warming Man said:

Hey MV the border zone X pass has not changed.
That’s possibly because the new rules are still a few days away and when it gets closer they may update the pass application for non essential visitors. I just did a dummy run.

The interviewed every pollie, police, and COVID whinger on Aunty Radio this morning, and none of their responses agreed with each other, with quite a few “dunno“s.

Peak Warming Man said:

Hey MV the border zone X pass has not changed.
That’s possibly because the new rules are still a few days away and when it gets closer they may update the pass application for non essential visitors. I just did a dummy run.

Ta. Please let me know if anything changes.

:)

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hey MV the border zone X pass has not changed.
That’s possibly because the new rules are still a few days away and when it gets closer they may update the pass application for non essential visitors. I just did a dummy run.

I’m waiting for wireless multi-pass, they just look at you and send you through with nice gestures.

Oh surprise ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/act-schools-affected-after-omicron-cases-detected/100678636

Mr Stephen-Smith said it was becoming clear the Omicron variant was highly infectious and therefore required strict measures to control its spread. “It’s very early days, only very few cases, but we do seem to be seeing evidence that Omicron is actually very highly transmissible and places that were identified as casual contact sites have led to exposure — I think that was the first time that we’ve seen that in the ACT,” she said.

Ms Stephen-Smith acknowledged the order to quarantine for two weeks would come as a blow to many, particularly in the lead-up to Christmas. “At this period of time when we have so much uncertainty about the variant, we’re making sure that we’re continuing to protect the community,” she said. “I know that that is really tough and for all those people who have had to go into quarantine, thank you so much for doing that. It’s really hard particularly at this time of year when there’s so many end-of-year events and shopping to do.”

hm yeah anyway gee we wonder if there might have been any way to make these terrible quarantine things more fair, like oh we don’t know, keeping the problem at the border, maybe there is a way to make the people who choose to travel do the quarantine, who knows it might allow people who have stayed or already quarantined to keep their freedoms what a thought

we don’t know what the deal is with the pronouns but that’s not our concern

Brilliant new idea,

Vaccinating children against COVID-19 will help the Northern Territory avoid future outbreaks, experts say

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/nt-vaccinate-kids-northern-territory/100677674

imagine if someone had thought of vaccinating younger children to prevent outbreaks of disease oh we don’t know 50 years ago damn ¡

SCIENCE said:

Brilliant new idea,

Vaccinating children against COVID-19 will help the Northern Territory avoid future outbreaks, experts say

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/nt-vaccinate-kids-northern-territory/100677674

imagine if someone had thought of vaccinating younger children to prevent outbreaks of disease oh we don’t know 50 years ago damn ¡

Tamb said:

The polio vax was more than 50 years ago.

Mid-1950s for the Salk vaccine.

People in the US were so overjoyed at the arrival of a vaccine which would prevent polio from crippling their kids, or putting them into iron lungs, or killing them that there was serious proposals to make Jonas Salk’s birthday a national holiday.

Anyone who squawked the current sort of anti-vax nonsense would likely have been lynched on the spot.

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Brilliant new idea,

Vaccinating children against COVID-19 will help the Northern Territory avoid future outbreaks, experts say

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/nt-vaccinate-kids-northern-territory/100677674

imagine if someone had thought of vaccinating younger children to prevent outbreaks of disease oh we don’t know 50 years ago damn ¡

The polio vax was more than 50 years ago.

really liked that article, more art from the ABC

the word future as used might serve to accept endemic delta, perhaps even omicron, but they have money both ways, it may serve to accept endemic covid of any sort

touched on compromised immunity from other infections, and disease, crossed my mind for a moment other disease and infection could be previous covid infection, or even a vaccination that might accidentally cause a wobbly immune response to a new variant

and I kept on having inappropriate thoughts, studying the negation, studying the ‘innocent’ distractions from what might be safely assumed, it even crossed my mind the wine sippers might be avoiding the realities of how bad alcohol was to immune function

Since we’re fucking stupid we’ll have to ask one of you geniuses to explain this one (1) to us,

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/more-omicron-to-come-as-nsw-tries-to-keep-cases-as-low-as-possible-20211206-p59f9q.html

Omicron to come as NSW tries to keep cases ‘as low as possible’

what exactly is the difference between a non negative number that’s as low as possible, and zero ¿¡

speaking of being 70 years behind

https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-do-we-need-vaccine-boosters-and-how-do-they-work-20211206-p59f2a.html

half a year after being in use, Australian media express vague support

u peepz r disgusting

Queensland authorities have moved to crack down on people who deliberately spit, cough or sneeze on hospitality workers as the state prepares to introduce restrictions on those not vaccinated against COVID-19. Anyone who offends, or threatens to, can be fined more than $1,300

SCIENCE said:

Since we’re fucking stupid we’ll have to ask one of you geniuses to explain this one (1) to us,

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/more-omicron-to-come-as-nsw-tries-to-keep-cases-as-low-as-possible-20211206-p59f9q.html

Omicron to come as NSW tries to keep cases ‘as low as possible’

what exactly is the difference between a non negative number that’s as low as possible, and zero ¿¡

they (the pro-endemic people) need background covid, of all sorts, require it, a sort of covid noise, to bury the accidents among, the dispersion events they characterize as ‘outbreaks’, and background covid renders the dispersion events more unremarkable, a non-event, that really are essential to covid equilibrium

if you put the proposition to them so directly they’d probably counter with some word, or words arranged, that means inevitability, pass it off as looking like a thought, they may encourage and hope you to adopt the same view, but you might ask how much balanced thought does the concept of inevitability ever really incline, is it ever used in a way that is meant to encourage thought, consideration, or is more often intended to stop thought

possibly related to the use of the concept of inevitability, is the view of humans as being fundamentally irrational, the latter adopted of course results in people thinking others are more irrational than themselves, so, adopted, a person goes looking for that in others, and your qualifications for looking for it elsewhere are secretly assumed, but go largely unabstracted of where it it might matter, or could otherwise matter

read some news anyway, get some comfort from there being some superior rationality out there, keep looking, keep comparing, internalize whatever you find that seems to improve your rationality, all the superior people are doing it

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

I think I missed some news.

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

is she weak because she’s sick or because you’ve been feeding her under the door?

dv said:

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

I think I missed some news.

I’m in quarantine and have to ring a bell and yell “UNCLEAN” every half hour.

Elder sprog has Covid and SWMBO and I are in quarantine as close contacts. We have both tested negative.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

I think I missed some news.

I’m in quarantine and have to ring a bell and yell “UNCLEAN” every half hour.

Elder sprog has Covid and SWMBO and I are in quarantine as close contacts. We have both tested negative.

hardly surprising.. I could have told them you were negative, even without a test…

;)

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

Has her anosmia cleared up?

btm said:

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

Has her anosmia cleared up?

No.

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

Good. Good.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

I think I missed some news.

I’m in quarantine and have to ring a bell and yell “UNCLEAN” every half hour.

Elder sprog has Covid and SWMBO and I are in quarantine as close contacts. We have both tested negative.

The Been’s front door.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

I think I missed some news.

I’m in quarantine and have to ring a bell and yell “UNCLEAN” every half hour.

Elder sprog has Covid and SWMBO and I are in quarantine as close contacts. We have both tested negative.

Damn, I hope all goes well.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

The polio vax was more than 50 years ago.

Mid-1950s for the Salk vaccine.

People in the US were so overjoyed at the arrival of a vaccine which would prevent polio from crippling their kids, or putting them into iron lungs, or killing them that there was serious proposals to make Jonas Salk’s birthday a national holiday.

Anyone who squawked the current sort of anti-vax nonsense would likely have been lynched on the spot.

Yes.

sibeen said:

The health department sent out a testing kit to elder sprog who informs me that her oxygen level is at 99% and her heart rate is at 57, she’s also feeling quite well but still a little weak.

Good-oh.

SCIENCE said:

u peepz r disgusting

Queensland authorities have moved to crack down on people who deliberately spit, cough or sneeze on hospitality workers as the state prepares to introduce restrictions on those not vaccinated against COVID-19. Anyone who offends, or threatens to, can be fined more than $1,300

The spitting could come under general assault charges.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

u peepz r disgusting

Queensland authorities have moved to crack down on people who deliberately spit, cough or sneeze on hospitality workers as the state prepares to introduce restrictions on those not vaccinated against COVID-19. Anyone who offends, or threatens to, can be fined more than $1,300

The spitting could come under general assault charges.

Always has done, IIRC.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

u peepz r disgusting

Queensland authorities have moved to crack down on people who deliberately spit, cough or sneeze on hospitality workers as the state prepares to introduce restrictions on those not vaccinated against COVID-19. Anyone who offends, or threatens to, can be fined more than $1,300

The spitting could come under general assault charges.

Always has done, IIRC.

apparently, then, the behavior precedes covid, and vulgar unvaccinated people, perhaps it’s not peculiar to covid-unvaccinated people

so much to consider

I guess it applies to unfriendly farts too, gassing covid

freedom ¡ Immunity ¡ Magic

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/covid-vaccination-fraud-charge-against-perth-nurse-dropped/100679152

SCIENCE said:

freedom ¡ Immunity ¡ Magic

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/covid-vaccination-fraud-charge-against-perth-nurse-dropped/100679152

USA

dv said:

USA

see told you saving all those lives in 2019 would just mean they had some catching up to do

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

USA

see told you saving all those lives in 2019 would just mean they had some catching up to do

There’s quite a gap between the excess death count (which will hit a million soon) and the official covid death count.

also what happened in 2018 February, or even earlier

SCIENCE said:

also what happened in 2018 February, or even earlier

Unusually bad H3N2 season

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

also what happened in 2018 February, or even earlier

Unusually bad H3N2 season

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

USA

see told you saving all those lives in 2019 would just mean they had some catching up to do

There’s quite a gap between the excess death count (which will hit a million soon) and the official covid death count.

Shouldn’t the “expected” line be steadily rising, considering the rapidly increasing number of old people?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t the “expected” line be steadily rising, considering the rapidly increasing number of old people?

over decades it does right

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t the “expected” line be steadily rising, considering the rapidly increasing number of old people?

There appears to be a monotonic increase in the expected curve up until 2021, which makes sense, given that there are fewer old people now because of all the deaths …

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t the “expected” line be steadily rising, considering the rapidly increasing number of old people?

There appears to be a monotonic increase in the expected curve up until 2021, which makes sense, given that there are fewer old people now because of all the deaths …

Looks to me like it’s increasing to Jan 2020, then flattens off, if not decreasing.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shouldn’t the “expected” line be steadily rising, considering the rapidly increasing number of old people?

There appears to be a monotonic increase in the expected curve up until 2021, which makes sense, given that there are fewer old people now because of all the deaths …

Looks to me like it’s increasing to Jan 2020, then flattens off, if not decreasing.

So … you agree precisely with what I’ve said.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

There appears to be a monotonic increase in the expected curve up until 2021, which makes sense, given that there are fewer old people now because of all the deaths …

Looks to me like it’s increasing to Jan 2020, then flattens off, if not decreasing.

So … you agree precisely with what I’ve said.

eh?
“Until 2021” means the same as until the end of 2019 now?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Looks to me like it’s increasing to Jan 2020, then flattens off, if not decreasing.

So … you agree precisely with what I’ve said.

eh?
“Until 2021” means the same as until the end of 2019 now?

Bloody hell. Junior sprog was at schoolies last week so moved into another house to avoid us in quarantine. She’s just got a text from Vic dept of Health stating that she was at a site where there was a covid case on the 28/11 and she needs to get tested and quarantine until she gets a negative.

Oh, is she fucking happy or what?

sibeen said:

Bloody hell. Junior sprog was at schoolies last week so moved into another house to avoid us in quarantine. She’s just got a text from Vic dept of Health stating that she was at a site where there was a covid case on the 28/11 and she needs to get tested and quarantine until she gets a negative.

Oh, is she fucking happy or what?

At least we’ve already got a plague bell to ring.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Bloody hell. Junior sprog was at schoolies last week so moved into another house to avoid us in quarantine. She’s just got a text from Vic dept of Health stating that she was at a site where there was a covid case on the 28/11 and she needs to get tested and quarantine until she gets a negative.

Oh, is she fucking happy or what?

At least we’ve already got a plague bell to ring.

Oh, the humanity!

sibeen said:

Bloody hell. Junior sprog was at schoolies last week so moved into another house to avoid us in quarantine. She’s just got a text from Vic dept of Health stating that she was at a site where there was a covid case on the 28/11 and she needs to get tested and quarantine until she gets a negative.

Oh, is she fucking happy or what?

wow. I hope all goes well.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-07/new-emails-reveal-how-enthusiastic-pfizer-to-engage-australia/100680842

obviously a smear

why wait until the actual holiday to light the fuse hey

Party boat cruise on Sydney Harbour sees five cases of COVID-19 recorded, with two likely Omicron variant

oh yeah

Omicron is the end of the road for China’s zero-COVID policy. The Communist Party cannot plausibly suppress a variant that spreads with lightning speed through asymptomatic cases that escape surveillance.

Any such attempt would probably fail. Even if total suppression could be achieved, the social, economic, and strategic costs of trying to do the near impossible would become prohibitive over time. It would no longer be rational.

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pity Japan didn’t colonise them 75 years ago or they’d be fully democratic and their ZeroCOVID strategy would be a resounding success

The main things people can do to protect themselves — regardless of variants — are to get vaccinated, and wear masks indoors and in public places, according to Dr Gounder.

In countries where the option is available, she also recommends bolstering immunity with booster shots, particularly for the elderly and immunocompromised.

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nah sorry only pharmaceutical intervention money goes to Big Pharma so you can forget the masks, that money goes to CHINA so we don’t want to do any of that

33% daily case number increase in both plague states, good news, good for forever

SCIENCE said:

Omicron is the end of the road for China’s zero-COVID policy. The Communist Party cannot plausibly suppress a variant that spreads with lightning speed through asymptomatic cases that escape surveillance.

Any such attempt would probably fail. Even if total suppression could be achieved, the social, economic, and strategic costs of trying to do the near impossible would become prohibitive over time. It would no longer be rational.

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pity Japan didn’t colonise them 75 years ago or they’d be fully democratic and their ZeroCOVID strategy would be a resounding success

Australian officials will not attend the Beijing Winter Olympics, in a formal boycott of the Games over China’s human rights abuses against Uyghur minorities in the country.

The US this week confirmed it would not send any diplomats or officials to the Games, while still allowing its athletes to compete.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Australian athletes would compete at the Games despite the diplomatic boycott.

He said it should come as “no surprise” that Australia would boycott the event, citing the breakdown in the relationship with China in recent years.

“I’m doing it because it’s in Australia’s national interest,” he said. “It’s the right thing to do.”

China has vowed to respond with “firm countermeasures” to the boycott.

More to come.

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interesting posturing, next thing you know you find out that this is actually respectful adherence to CHINA policy, quarantine policy, infection control policy

Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

Omicron is the end of the road for China’s zero-COVID policy. The Communist Party cannot plausibly suppress a variant that spreads with lightning speed through asymptomatic cases that escape surveillance.

Any such attempt would probably fail. Even if total suppression could be achieved, the social, economic, and strategic costs of trying to do the near impossible would become prohibitive over time. It would no longer be rational.

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pity Japan didn’t colonise them 75 years ago or they’d be fully democratic and their ZeroCOVID strategy would be a resounding success

chuckle been noticing that, but careful what you say they’ll turn on japan

you know zero covid, covidicide, germicide, it’s a slippery slope to racism, nationalism and genocide

but of the subject you quote, there are also articles making more neutral noises re china’ zero covid approach

just lot of freer countries aren’t done with killing and maiming their own yet

In terms of current death rates, the worst affected areas are still Eastern Europe/Former Soviet Union as well as some places in the Caribbean.

Does seem to be good news in Australia. The number of deaths has not shot up despite the easing of restrictions in Victoria and NSW. Still puttering along at around 50 a week.

SCIENCE said:

After the major shit things the Biros has done, this minor one could be his undoing.