Let’s start the new one with a Sweden Stalk. Deaths have dropped and stayed dropped at present. Unlike other parts of Europe.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
buffy said:
Let’s start the new one with a Sweden Stalk. Deaths have dropped and stayed dropped at present. Unlike other parts of Europe.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Finally starting to work for them?
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Let’s start the new one with a Sweden Stalk. Deaths have dropped and stayed dropped at present. Unlike other parts of Europe.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Finally starting to work for them?
They only seem to have had two death waves.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Let’s start the new one with a Sweden Stalk. Deaths have dropped and stayed dropped at present. Unlike other parts of Europe.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Finally starting to work for them?
They only seem to have had two death waves.
So overall, the strategy may be working?
44 COVID-19 cases linked to pub trivia night in Sydney’s inner-west.
NSW health authorities say 44 people who went to a pub trivia night in Sydney’s inner west, have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
Sydney Local Health District says anyone who was at the Oxford Tavern in Petersham between 4pm and 10:30pm on Tuesday, November 30 is considered a close contact.
They are being told to get tested immediately and self-isolate.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Finally starting to work for them?
They only seem to have had two death waves.
So overall, the strategy may be working?
the non testing one or the death manipulation one
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:buffy said:
They only seem to have had two death waves.
So overall, the strategy may be working?
the non testing one or the death manipulation one
I haven’t really been following their efforts closely.
roughbarked said:
44 COVID-19 cases linked to pub trivia night in Sydney’s inner-west. NSW health authorities say 44 people who went to a pub trivia night in Sydney’s inner west, have been diagnosed with COVID-19.Sydney Local Health District says anyone who was at the Oxford Tavern in Petersham between 4pm and 10:30pm on Tuesday, November 30 is considered a close contact.
They are being told to get tested immediately and self-isolate.
just in time for Christmas yeah yeah we heard it on the crystal set yesterday, there’s already been a bit of an uptick, it’s looking real nice
Here’s an idea for a headline, probably not exciting enough to get views from the majority who agree though, how about
How good pandemic control and the better economic outcomes and greater freedoms that come with it made many people want to call any such country home
¿¡.
https://theconversation.com/can-prozac-treat-covid-perhaps-but-a-related-drug-may-be-better-172608
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce tests positive for COVID-19 in USA.
who the fuck are these so called experts, do they know anything at all
Professor McCaw said it would be wise to reintroduce light restrictions sooner rather than later. He said bringing back mask-wearing in some indoor settings and minor restrictions on density would be “prudent and proportionate” at the moment. “If Omicron does shape up to potential for a major impact, the earlier we respond, the better, and the less likely we would be to end up in another lockdown,” he said. “These early, pre-emptive changes to policy that have a minimal impact on society but do help us manage this virus would be sensible.”
Professor McCaw said even if the state government did not introduce changes, individuals could make choices that would help stop the new variant from spreading. “We all probably still have masks in our pocket or in our drawers at home and we could choose to wear them, say at the supermarket,” he said. “We can choose to get tested. We can choose to take some precautions that have minimal impact on our lives … but they could slow the spread of this virus.”
nah what is a doctor who needs any of that
Professor McCaw said people should remember their actions continued to play an important role in how the pandemic was playing out. “It’s hard for society to come to terms with the fact that this pandemic seems to go on and on,” he said.
we’ll be serious here though, we admit the disease supporters were right, their desired outcome has eventuated, by definition this “pandemic” that “seems to go on and on” would be another term, ensomething, somethingdemic, let’s see
maybe come to terms with that
roughbarked said:
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce tests positive for COVID-19 in USA.
And here’s the reference:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-09/barnaby-joyce-tests-positive-for-covid-19-in-united-states/100685450
roughbarked said:
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce tests positive for COVID-19 in USA.
Barnaby is going to be locked up for 10 days!
Surely there’s some way to prolong this.
For a very extended period.
Omicron is already dominant in South Africa
The variant appears to have rapidly outcompeted Delta and set off another wave of infections
Dec 7th 2021
JUST ONE month ago, South Africa’s pandemic appeared to be nearing an end. The country was recording fewer covid-19 cases—and admitting fewer patients to hospitals—than at any point since the beginning of the pandemic. Weekly recorded deaths, from any cause, were down to levels last seen before the pandemic. Tourists were returning. SARS-CoV-2 seemed to be fading into the background to become just another endemic disease.
No longer. Daily diagnosed cases of covid began rising in the middle of November. Shortly thereafter, hospital admissions started to tick up, too. The cause seems clear: Omicron, a mutation first discovered in samples collected on November 8th in South Africa and three days later in neighbouring Botswana. Just how virulent it is remains unclear: some have claimed the variant is less deadly, though evidence of that appears, as yet, inconclusive.
How can Omicron, which has only been confirmed in fewer than 300 cases in South Africa, be responsible for a wave that numbers over 10,000 cases every day? Testing, which has plagued covid data since the pandemic began, remains a problem. Just as covid cases represent only diagnosed infections rather than every infection, “confirmed cases by variant” represent only those patients whose virus samples were sequenced. The real number of Omicron infections is thus vastly greater than those confirmed. Since November 26th not one sample collected in South Africa and sent to GISAID, a data-sharing initiative for corona- and influenza-virus sequences, has contained the previously dominant Delta variant. All have been Omicron.
Analysing the shifting shares of different variants among sequenced viruses in GISAID, Tom Wenseleers, a professor of biology and biostatistics at KU Leuven, in Belgium, found that Omicron probably overtook Delta in its share of South African cases as early as November 11th. This was just four weeks after the sequencing data suggests the virus started circulating. As of December 7th the total probable number of Omicron cases had reached 88,306. Modelling of past waves by Imperial College London suggests confirmed cases represent roughly one in ten infections in South Africa. This suggests that total Omicron infections are not in the hundreds, but in the hundreds of thousands.
New variants beat old ones by infecting more people. Omicron is clearly now dominant within South Africa, relative to Delta. Based on the rate at which it overtook Delta, Mr Wenseleers estimates that the reproductive number of the mutation could be three to six times that of Delta. Trevor Bedford, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, puts the most probable reproductive number at three to three-and-a-half, up from around one just before the variant emerged. But some mutations of SARS-CoV-2 appear to have an advantage limited only to a particular context. The Alpha variant, first detected in Britain, never caught on in southern Africa, just as Beta, which was first detected in South Africa, never became dominant outside the region according to sequencing data from GISAID (though it temporarily took hold in the Philippines). Delta, on the other hand, became dominant everywhere.
With Omicron now detected in more than 50 countries, the world will soon find out whether it will displace Delta elsewhere too. What evidence is available so far seems to suggest that it will. In Britain and several other countries Omicron is already responsible for more than 0.2% of cases by variant.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/12/07/omicron-is-already-dominant-in-south-africa?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce tests positive for COVID-19 in USA.Barnaby is going to be locked up for 10 days!
Surely there’s some way to prolong this.
For a very extended period.
Please lpease.
Then again he’s got kids to look after.
SCIENCE said:
Here’s an idea for a headline, probably not exciting enough to get views from the majority who agree though, how about
How good pandemic control and the better economic outcomes and greater freedoms that come with it made many people want to call any such country home
¿¡.
I wish them well for their new life of freedom in Peru.
Or are they going to Brazil?
People should be “beating down the doors” to get their booster jab, NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard says, as metropolitan Sydney is hit by an uptick in case numbers and a second cluster of Omicron infections.
Pity they’re intent on pushing a solution that is 40% effective instead of one that’s close to 100% effective, indeed, seeking to cut the 100% effective one.
NSW reported its highest daily case count since mid-October on Wednesday – 403 new infections, driven by transmission at end-of-year parties and gatherings – but Premier Dominic Perrottet said the government was “sticking to the plan” to ease mask-wearing, QR codes and jab certificates in certain settings from next week.
FREEDOM ¡
Boris Johnson beefs up COVID restrictions
https://quillette.com/2021/12/07/outback-australia-and-the-information-wars/
For the past few weeks, those of us who live in the Northern Territory have watched in astonishment as British and American pundits with huge audiences have breathlessly promoted the lunatic claims of our village idiot.
ROFL
sibeen said:
https://quillette.com/2021/12/07/outback-australia-and-the-information-wars/For the past few weeks, those of us who live in the Northern Territory have watched in astonishment as British and American pundits with huge audiences have breathlessly promoted the lunatic claims of our village idiot.
ROFL
:)
The Shovel:
‘ United States tests positive for Barnaby Joyce
Americans are experiencing severe symptoms including incoherent speech, flushed beetroot-colouring of the face and ‘wandering eye’ after an outbreak of Barnaby Joyce in the country. It comes after a failure of border quarantine saw the Australian Deputy Prime Minister enter the country unimpeded.
The ‘Barnicron’ variant is believed to be more mutant than previous strains of the Common Politician – being able to fluidly change its views with no regard to ideological consistency – making it more ignorant, unaccountable and willing to sleep with staffers.
The variant has already done considerable damage to the Australian social and political sphere, and there are fears the variant may outcompete other strains and become the dominant strain worldwide due to low inoculation rates against misinformation.
Australian authorities have apologised, saying they “wouldn’t wish this on anyone’
The virus is being held in isolation until further notice.’
By David from The ‘Berran
captain_spalding said:
variant has already done considerable damage to the Australian social and political sphere, and there are fears the variant
deviant
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:‘ United States tests positive for Barnaby Joyce
Americans are experiencing severe symptoms including incoherent speech, flushed beetroot-colouring of the face and ‘wandering eye’ after an outbreak of Barnaby Joyce in the country. It comes after a failure of border quarantine saw the Australian Deputy Prime Minister enter the country unimpeded.
The ‘Barnicron’ variant is believed to be more mutant than previous strains of the Common Politician – being able to fluidly change its views with no regard to ideological consistency – making it more ignorant, unaccountable and willing to sleep with staffers.
The variant has already done considerable damage to the Australian social and political sphere, and there are fears the variant may outcompete other strains and become the dominant strain worldwide due to low inoculation rates against misinformation.
Australian authorities have apologised, saying they “wouldn’t wish this on anyone’
The virus is being held in isolation until further notice.’
By David from The ‘Berran
:)
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:‘ United States tests positive for Barnaby Joyce
Americans are experiencing severe symptoms including incoherent speech, flushed beetroot-colouring of the face and ‘wandering eye’ after an outbreak of Barnaby Joyce in the country. It comes after a failure of border quarantine saw the Australian Deputy Prime Minister enter the country unimpeded.
The ‘Barnicron’ variant is believed to be more mutant than previous strains of the Common Politician – being able to fluidly change its views with no regard to ideological consistency – making it more ignorant, unaccountable and willing to sleep with staffers.
The variant has already done considerable damage to the Australian social and political sphere, and there are fears the variant may outcompete other strains and become the dominant strain worldwide due to low inoculation rates against misinformation.
Australian authorities have apologised, saying they “wouldn’t wish this on anyone’
The virus is being held in isolation until further notice.’
By David from The ‘Berran
:)
A bit too close to the truth for a :) from me.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:‘ United States tests positive for Barnaby Joyce
Americans are experiencing severe symptoms including incoherent speech, flushed beetroot-colouring of the face and ‘wandering eye’ after an outbreak of Barnaby Joyce in the country. It comes after a failure of border quarantine saw the Australian Deputy Prime Minister enter the country unimpeded.
The ‘Barnicron’ variant is believed to be more mutant than previous strains of the Common Politician – being able to fluidly change its views with no regard to ideological consistency – making it more ignorant, unaccountable and willing to sleep with staffers.
The variant has already done considerable damage to the Australian social and political sphere, and there are fears the variant may outcompete other strains and become the dominant strain worldwide due to low inoculation rates against misinformation.
Australian authorities have apologised, saying they “wouldn’t wish this on anyone’
The virus is being held in isolation until further notice.’
By David from The ‘Berran
:)
A bit too close to the truth for a :) from me.
I’m smiling at the clever writing.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
The Shovel:‘ United States tests positive for Barnaby Joyce
Americans are experiencing severe symptoms including incoherent speech, flushed beetroot-colouring of the face and ‘wandering eye’ after an outbreak of Barnaby Joyce in the country. It comes after a failure of border quarantine saw the Australian Deputy Prime Minister enter the country unimpeded.
The ‘Barnicron’ variant is believed to be more mutant than previous strains of the Common Politician – being able to fluidly change its views with no regard to ideological consistency – making it more ignorant, unaccountable and willing to sleep with staffers.
The variant has already done considerable damage to the Australian social and political sphere, and there are fears the variant may outcompete other strains and become the dominant strain worldwide due to low inoculation rates against misinformation.
Australian authorities have apologised, saying they “wouldn’t wish this on anyone’
The virus is being held in isolation until further notice.’
By David from The ‘Berran
:)
oh my cron
Meanwhile in that authoritarian fascist state to the east…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-09/new-zealand-smokefree-2025-plan-ban-tobacco-sales/100686806
Six days out from Tasmania’s borders reopening, emergency services in the state are so stretched police had to take an unresponsive toddler to hospital because there were no ambulances available.
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don’t worry, this is a Corruption Coalition state, nobody will have a go at them for fucking up healthcare
SCIENCE said:
Meanwhile in that authoritarian fascist state to the east…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-09/new-zealand-smokefree-2025-plan-ban-tobacco-sales/100686806
people end up growing and selling it like weed i’d expect
SCIENCE said:
FREEDOM ¡Boris Johnson beefs up COVID restrictions
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/downing-street-christmas-party-prompts-tearful-resignation-boris-johnson-beefs-up-covid-restrictions-20211209-p59g1r.html
reading that^
“Leadership, sacrifice — that is what gives leaders the moral authority to lead..”
like jesus I guess they mean, not sure how much useful of terrestrial reality might be got from it, or that anyone might ever find out what a natural person is from it
Another Authoritarian Crackdown In New South Wuhan
A backpackers hostel at Bondi Beach in Sydney’s east has been placed in lockdown due to COVID-19. It’s not yet known how many people are staying at Noah’s in Bondi or whether the outbreak involves the highly-transmissible Omicron strain of the virus. Police are currently cordoning off the venue.
Bondi again surprise surprise ¡
Good News¡ The Scarecrow Said We’re Fine¡
This could get interesting https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/parents-separated-legal-impact-disagreeing-vaccine-children/100672200
SCIENCE said:
Good News¡ The Scarecrow Said We’re Fine¡
full incorporation, it’s all nature, death is natural, sickness is nature, viruses are natural, humans hosting viruses is natural, and dear God money talking is natural
get incorporated
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/coronacheck-pfizer-tromethamine-not-illegal/100686476
increasing cases but don’t worry, we’re living
Letter XI: On Inoculation | It is inadvertently affirmed in the Christian countries of Europe that the English are fools and madmen. Fools, because they give their children the small-pox to prevent their catching it; and madmen, because they wantonly communicate a certain and dreadful distemper to their children, merely to prevent an uncertain evil. The English, on the other side, call the rest of the Europeans cowardly and unnatural. Cowardly, because they are afraid of putting their children to a little pain; unnatural, because they expose them to die one time or other of the small-pox. But that the reader may be able to judge whether the English or those who differ from them in opinion are in the right, here follows the history of the famed innoculation, which is mentioned with so much dread in France.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Here’s an idea for a headline, probably not exciting enough to get views from the majority who agree though, how about
How good pandemic control and the better economic outcomes and greater freedoms that come with it made many people want to call any such country home
¿¡.
I wish them well for their new life of freedom in Peru.
Or are they going to Brazil?
nah just sverige, fk these so-called “experts” with their md phd shit, wtf would they know
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
95% of the
eligiblepopulation have had 2 doses, so fuck the rest, the idiots who refuseand the ineligible, it’s their own fault for being too stupidor young or sick or inaccessibleto get shot, the rest of us have convenience to make them pay for, fuck’emwe also mean
it’s not like it matters too much anyway hey, given the new variants are showing off their 60% reduction in vaccine effectiveness, everyone might as well be unshot anyway
oops better rush for flock immunity again
oh wait did some genius say 60% wait oh
Laugh Out Louder
COPENHAGEN (AFP) – Denmark will close schools, curtail nightlife and urge citizens to work from home to try to stem surging Covid-19 cases, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Wednesday (Dec 8).
Laugh Out Loudest
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(21)00570-9
remember how preexisting immunity was better than preexisting conditions
We assess human common cold CoV (hCCCoV) antibodies before and after SARS-CoV-2 infection
Betacoronavirus hCCCoV antibodies are boosted after SARS-CoV-2 infection
Baseline hCCCoV antibodies do not protect against SARS-CoV-2 infection
Pre-existing hCCCoV antibodies may hinder effective immunity against SARS-CoV-2
Again Laugh Out Loud Again
yeah d’n‘o’
oh oops seems people having doubts about playing with an endemic, oh sorry, did it not turn out as fun as they thought
interesting terminology
When I first went overseas you needed a passport AND a vaccination certificate.
There were a couple of ones you needed to have, yellow fever was one of them I think.
It was no big deal back then.
Peak Warming Man said:
When I first went overseas you needed a passport AND a vaccination certificate.
There were a couple of ones you needed to have, yellow fever was one of them I think.
It was no big deal back then.
Cholera and typhoid jabs were others. Wasn’t necessary for going (other than your own protection) but necessary for coming back.
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
When I first went overseas you needed a passport AND a vaccination certificate.
There were a couple of ones you needed to have, yellow fever was one of them I think.
It was no big deal back then.
Cholera and typhoid jabs were others. Wasn’t necessary for going (other than your own protection) but necessary for coming back.
And don’t forget smallpox.
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
When I first went overseas you needed a passport AND a vaccination certificate.
There were a couple of ones you needed to have, yellow fever was one of them I think.
It was no big deal back then.
Cholera and typhoid jabs were others. Wasn’t necessary for going (other than your own protection) but necessary for coming back.
And don’t forget smallpox.
You got a little card issued by the WHO to verify your vaccination.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:Cholera and typhoid jabs were others. Wasn’t necessary for going (other than your own protection) but necessary for coming back.
And don’t forget smallpox.
You got a little card issued by the WHO to verify your vaccination.
Pop bands were very influential back in the 60s.
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:And don’t forget smallpox.
You got a little card issued by the WHO to verify your vaccination.
Pop bands were very influential back in the 60s.
People (rightly) thought that Keith Moon was a drunken, addled, egotistical dickhead, but he had a deep secret passion for disease control.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Woodie said:Cholera and typhoid jabs were others. Wasn’t necessary for going (other than your own protection) but necessary for coming back.
And don’t forget smallpox.
You got a little card issued by the WHO to verify your vaccination.
I have the scar to prove it.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:You got a little card issued by the WHO to verify your vaccination.
Pop bands were very influential back in the 60s.
People (rightly) thought that Keith Moon was a drunken, addled, egotistical dickhead, but he had a deep secret passion for disease control.
He would always take care..
…no snare
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-11/inside-asia-s-battle-with-coronavirus-variant-omicron/100682638
“….The other scenario was if Omicron was more infectious, but turned out to be milder. Then, “in time, a less harmful virus may dominate over Delta”, he said….”
reading that^ but reckon teletubbies could be more educational
seems difficult to enforce but masks everywhere, imagine being reasonable,
From January 1, fully vaccinated people who are deemed close contacts will only need to quarantine for seven days.
They will need to get tested on day five, and if that comes back negative, they will be released on day seven. However, from day eight to 14, they will be required to wear masks everywhere outdoors and are required to avoid high-risk settings, such as hospitals and aged care facilities. “We know there is still a risk from day eight to 14, but we know that risk is reduced when you are fully vaccinated.
Headline News, Tornado Kills One Old Decrepit¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-11/arkansas-tornado-hits-nursing-home/100693118
Not Headline News, Rapidly Spreading Preventable Disease Kills 2000 Times As Many¡
It’s when you hear advice like this that you just know shit is going down, and they’re bullshitting you trying to pretend it’s all fine¡
Josh Frydenberg warns states not to ‘overreact’ to Omicron variant amid economic recovery
The Federal government is warning states to stay open or risk Australia’s economic recovery from COVID-19 shutdowns. “The states need to keep calm and carry on and not overreact to the Omicron variant,” he said. “I think — rather than trying to pick fights with premiers and chief ministers — they’d be better to work with the states and territories,” Mr Leigh said.
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we mean
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what
the fuck
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SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loudwe mean
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what
the fuck
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So by Australia day there should hundreds of millions of infected Australians
peeps in some nice shit right there
Health Minister Joe Phaahla has warned that mild hospitalisations due to Covid-19 infection are picking up, with the department seeing a mild increase in the number of babies, toddlers and pregnant women in hospital on mild oxygen. Phaahla spoke at the Durban International Convention Centre, where he addressed the opening ceremony of the International Conference on mild AIDS and mild STIs in Africa (Icasa) on Monday night.
“We are aware of one death of a 15-year-old boy whose condition mildly rapidly deteriorated after admission. We are seeing babies, toddlers and pregnant women in hospital on mild oxygen. The message is clear, we need to be more mildly vigilant than ever,” the minister warned. “Even if there are reports of apparently milder illness this time, we are still seeing very mildly sick people in hospital, and the virus definitely can mildly kill. We continue to recommend that everyone must vaccinate. We know that the vaccines are still protecting us against severe mild illness.”
He said the new variant of concern, Omicron, appears to be targeting young children, some as young as two years old. “In the current new Omicron wave that is building, we are seeing very young children, toddlers as young as two years old, and a lot of adolescents and young adults getting mildly sick,” the minister said.
⚠ this post may contain “mild” added in multiple locations
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
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we mean
Laugh Out Loud
what
the fuck
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So by Australia day there should hundreds of millions of infected Australians
in fairness it does say “England” but yes there’s a small possibility that citizens of dystopia* might decide to all apply for citizenship and have it granted
*: various former so-called-democratic countries
Former European Isles of Dystopia, Dystopia
Iechyd da¡
scratches mild
SCIENCE said:
scratches mild
That burgeoning gap between excess mortality and reported covid deaths tho
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
scratches mild
That burgeoning gap between excess mortality and reported covid deaths tho
Yeah we haven’t got a confident explanation yet, what do any of you reckon¿ Caused by lockdowns or something¿
The federal government has acted on advice from the vaccine advisory body ATAGI, and the wait for a booster has been reduced from six months after a second vaccination to five.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-11/booster-access-brought-forward-to-slow-spread-of-omicron-variant/100693484
sarahs mum said:
The federal government has acted on advice from the vaccine advisory body ATAGI, and the wait for a booster has been reduced from six months after a second vaccination to five.
Thanks. Should help a little.
However, note that the 60% vaccine evasion means the triple-shot efficacy of 94% now becomes 38%, so emphasis is on “little”.
In contrast, the virus has not yet evolved to break the laws of physics (or if you like chemistry) so the N95+ mask 99.95% effectiveness now becomes 99.95%, and use of such masks is clearly a recommendation the authorities are not making.
Vaccinating children will help to protect everyone in the community
Margie Danchin
Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher
December 11, 2021 — 5.00am
The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation’s (ATAGI) announcement that the Comirnaty (Pfizer) vaccine will be made available to all children aged five to 11 years from January 10 next year is welcome news to parents.
The vaccine for this age group is one-third of the dosage given to people aged 12 years and over, with an eight-week interval between the two doses, as has been recommended in Canada. The US has adopted a three-week interval, which may be used in special circumstances such as outbreak settings in Australia.
The vaccine has now been given to over 5 million children in the US, or almost double Australia’s entire primary school aged population, including more than 1.4 million kids who have received their second dose, and there has been no vaccine safety signal for myocarditis or pericarditis.
The vaccine will provide direct protection against clinical infection, especially serious illness, and potentially for any longer-term sides effects, or long-COVID. Even though most children either experience no symptoms or mild symptoms, as they would from any viral respiratory infection, 1 per cent of symptomatic children who test positive for COVID require hospitalisation, and about one in 3000 children may experience the rare but serious multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C).
Some children with pre-existing medical conditions are at greater risk and need to be prioritised. The vaccine also has important indirect benefits by reducing transmission in households, schools and the community and helping to ensure kids can attend school safely to optimise their face-to-face learning and social interaction with their peers.
This will be critical in 2022, especially for children in Victoria and NSW who have experienced long periods of home schooling and the negative impacts of lockdown on their physical and mental health.
The vaccine will be available through participating general practices, pharmacies, Aboriginal Controlled Community Health Organisations and family-friendly vaccination centres. Some states may also adopt school-based programs, but unlike secondary school-based immunisation programs, it is most likely that weekend pop-up clinics will be needed for primary school kids to have their parents present.
Much thought is being given to ensure that the vaccination experience is positive for children through creating family and child-friendly environments. This is particularly important to support children who may have mild anxiety about vaccination or behavioural issues, as well as children with developmental disabilities, such as autism, or sensory issues. There will also be services available for children with more severe needle phobia through hospitals.
If possible, parents should try to discuss vaccination with their child and create a plan ahead of the appointment, outlining who will be there and what the child may need, including toys and other distractions from home. Careful planning and discussion with children gives them some control over the experience and is more likely to lead to a positive and successful vaccination experience.
Parents and children in this age group need to be given the opportunity to access the vaccine voluntarily first with incentives and measures known to be effective to improve vaccine uptake, such as on-site vaccination and reminders, before any consideration is given to mandates for kids.
We understand parents have questions about the vaccines, especially around vaccine safety, and they need to have the opportunity to have these addressed and to access clear, trustworthy information to guide their decision-making. Efforts need to be made to understand and address barriers for different population groups and ensure tailored communication and strong community engagement, as we have done in the adult and teen programs.
A no-jab policy at this point has the potential to compound disadvantage and undermine community trust and confidence. Many kids have paid a high price during the pandemic, and they should not be penalised further by restricting access to school, social or sporting activities, based on the decision of their parents. Clearly, we need to continue to assess and manage risk, especially in schools, through ongoing adherence to public health strategies, particularly testing.
Australian kids have some of the highest vaccination rates in the world, with over 95 per cent of children vaccinated in the National Immunisation Program, and we anticipate most parents will welcome this announcement. We want children to get back to their lives and to doing what they love, free from the threat of illness or exclusion from school due to COVID.
Vaccinating children will help to protect everyone in the community and keep them safer and we hope many kids will be able to receive one dose before the start of school next year.
There will also be ongoing monitoring of the new Omicron variant, and we will continue to collect and learn from data on clinical severity, vaccine effectiveness and safety from other countries to continue to inform the optimal vaccine program for Australian children.
Associate Professor Margie Danchin is a paediatrician at the Royal Children’s Hospital.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vaccinating-children-will-help-to-protect-everyone-in-the-community-20211210-p59glv.html
I’d never heard of Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher, but have discovered that it was founded with funding from Dame Elizabeth Murdoch, who was Rupert’s mum.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’d never heard of Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher, but have discovered that it was founded with funding from Dame Elizabeth Murdoch, who was Rupert’s mum.
Reading this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_(philanthropist)
I have to wonder, was she Rupert’s real mother?
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’d never heard of Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher, but have discovered that it was founded with funding from Dame Elizabeth Murdoch, who was Rupert’s mum.
Reading this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_(philanthropist)I have to wonder, was she Rupert’s real mother?
He must have inherited the evil from his father.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’d never heard of Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher, but have discovered that it was founded with funding from Dame Elizabeth Murdoch, who was Rupert’s mum.
Reading this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_(philanthropist)I have to wonder, was she Rupert’s real mother?
:)
history is written by the winners
here they go
Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt will hold a press conference shortly
on a Sunday, this should be good news
Just sayin’ about this Commiecron strain.
I note all these commiecron +ve ones come in on flights from Dohah, yet they banned flights from Africa. Just sayin’.
And is this Commiecron a strain or a variant? Is there a diff?
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’d never heard of Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher, but have discovered that it was founded with funding from Dame Elizabeth Murdoch, who was Rupert’s mum.
I found them a couple of weeks ago from a link from the Royal Children’s Hospital in Melbourne when I was trying to find out if any children had died in Australia from COVID19 (none have, and one adolescent died but had another infection at the same time). They do have a really concise summary of kids and COVID.
https://www.mcri.edu.au/sites/default/files/media/documents/covid-19-and-child-and-adolescent-health-140921.pdf
SCIENCE said:
here they goFederal Health Minister Greg Hunt will hold a press conference shortly
on a Sunday, this should be good news
Nah…. bad news. They do bad news when nobody is watching or listening and reporters are off for the weekend.
well at least no humans die
that test saturation though
Keep those mask handy and keep up the social distancing, everyone.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/nsw-entering-new-wave-of-covid-19-cases-adrian-esterman/100692908
More noisy RWNJs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/protesters-march-against-covid-vaccine-mandates-and-restrictions/100693944
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/333898927073
Guess today’s COVID graph
A-list celebrities were among the guests at Wednesday’s AACTA Awards who have been warned to monitor for COVID-19 symptoms after a hospitality worker at the Sydney Opera House event subsequently tested positive. The employee of a food and beverage business was infectious on December 8, the night of the acting awards, and the following day while servicing events at the iconic building.
Don’t worry they’re all young fit and healthy so they can keep doing their make up and once nobody dies then we’ll know it’s just a mild head cold and should have Let It Rip® For The Economy Must Grow®¡
Michael V said:
Keep those mask handy and keep up the social distancing, everyone.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/nsw-entering-new-wave-of-covid-19-cases-adrian-esterman/100692908
https://youtu.be/VLwEybVStLo?t=76
read that, then I went there^ for some light relief after reading Josh Frydenberg was talking about staying vigilant, gotta stay vigilant ya nar
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/protesters-march-against-covid-vaccine-mandates-and-restrictions/100693944
And another sunny Sunday afternoon. I think the only time the Melbourne marchers missed was when it rained about 3 weeks ago on the Sunday. Fair weather protesters.
Heh.
“An unidentified man in New Zealand may have been vaccinated as many as 10 times in a single day.”
poikilotherm said:
Heh.“An unidentified man in New Zealand may have been vaccinated as many as 10 times in a single day.”
He wanted to make sure he had his booster shots earlier.
Tau.Neutrino said:
poikilotherm said:
Heh.“An unidentified man in New Zealand may have been vaccinated as many as 10 times in a single day.”
He wanted to make sure he had his booster shots earlier.
might be the only example of the species that survives
Quick look around the world.
Still hardest hit is Eastern Europe (God, they’ve taken a pumelling, despite being one of the earliest regions to start vaccination).
Russia not far behind.
Hungary has been the worst country in the world for covid deaths before.
I really don’t want to think about plotting Covid deaths vs vaccination rates.
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
poikilotherm said:
Heh.
“An unidentified man in New Zealand may have been vaccinated as many as 10 times in a single day.”
He wanted to make sure he had his booster shots earlier.
might be the only example of the species that survives
guess they’re pretty safe too
so-called “experts” know nothing
SCIENCE said:
transition said:Tau.Neutrino said:
He wanted to make sure he had his booster shots earlier.
might be the only example of the species that survives
guess they’re pretty safe too
how are your preparations for the superspreader christmas going, endemicity on steroids
it’s going to be one of the biggest achievements of the species since nuclear weapons testing and proliferation
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
might be the only example of the species that survives
guess they’re pretty safe too
how are your preparations for the superspreader christmas going, endemicity on steroids
it’s going to be one of the biggest achievements of the species since nuclear weapons testing and proliferation
we’ll count 132 in binary on our fingers to everyone
to be fair we concede to all the fuckwits pushing for endemic, that they now have their endemic, because that’s what this is
welcome
nice choice of endemic they made
luckily this B.1.1.529 thing will be mild and replace the previous disasters yeah
oh wait
yeah
well at least we’ll be closing our schools here for about 6 weeks anyway, that’ll sort it
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
guess they’re pretty safe too
how are your preparations for the superspreader christmas going, endemicity on steroids
it’s going to be one of the biggest achievements of the species since nuclear weapons testing and proliferation
we’ll count 132 in binary on our fingers to everyone
to be fair we concede to all the fuckwits pushing for endemic, that they now have their endemic, because that’s what this is
welcome
nice choice of endemic they made
and they are, playing with fire
and just now, or anytime in the future, when elimination might really be needed, be the only sane response, they won’t be able to say we were wrong, and turn the covid titanic
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’d never heard of Murdoch Children’s Research Institute researcher, but have discovered that it was founded with funding from Dame Elizabeth Murdoch, who was Rupert’s mum.
Reading this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Murdoch_(philanthropist)I have to wonder, was she Rupert’s real mother?
:)
we mean you should probably ignore so-called “experts” who prefer to protect children from disease but they’re claiming that Murdoch associated psychopaths are propagating disinformation so make of that what you will
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
how are your preparations for the superspreader christmas going, endemicity on steroids
it’s going to be one of the biggest achievements of the species since nuclear weapons testing and proliferation
we’ll count 132 in binary on our fingers to everyone
to be fair we concede to all the fuckwits pushing for endemic, that they now have their endemic, because that’s what this is
welcome
nice choice of endemic they made
and they are, playing with fire
and just now, or anytime in the future, when elimination might really be needed, be the only sane response, they won’t be able to say we were wrong, and turn the covid titanic
shrug we’ll just have to wait for sensible governance, endemic is not an endpoint in itself, other diseases like ‘flu’ get wiped out but for now it’s still all N95+ and stand back
whoops
that’s the Ontario Science Table apparently
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
we’ll count 132 in binary on our fingers to everyone
to be fair we concede to all the fuckwits pushing for endemic, that they now have their endemic, because that’s what this is
welcome
nice choice of endemic they made
and they are, playing with fire
and just now, or anytime in the future, when elimination might really be needed, be the only sane response, they won’t be able to say we were wrong, and turn the covid titanic
shrug we’ll just have to wait for sensible governance, endemic is not an endpoint in itself, other diseases like ‘flu’ get wiped out but for now it’s still all N95+ and stand back
be the first time in history a disease has been intentionally let go because it’s so contagious, raises alarm bells in my head, given that it is exactly that, the contagiousness, that ought have it qualify for elimination, if one could even have the thought after all the ‘convincing’ otherwise
welcome the new world
everyone should have freedom of religion and belief, and everyone shall be a happy globalist
The WHO says the Omicron variant is more transmissible than the Delta strain and reduces vaccine efficacy but causes less severe symptoms according to early data.
sibeen said:
The WHO says the Omicron variant is more transmissible than the Delta strain and reduces vaccine efficacy but causes less severe symptoms according to early data.
Hmmm.
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.
——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
dv said:
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
You build a wall and you get no kudos whatsoever.
Like Hadrian you’ll have to wait centuries before your efforts are appreciated.
At least Operation Warp Speed has received some kudos from objective outlets.
Peak Warming Man said:
At least Operation Warp Speed has received some kudos from objective outlets.
Yes. To praise the quick roll-out of vaccines in one country and to criticise the shambolic roll-out in another would be the very definition of objectivity.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
At least Operation Warp Speed has received some kudos from objective outlets.
Yes. To praise the quick roll-out of vaccines in one country and to criticise the shambolic roll-out in another would be the very definition of objectivity.
It was not about the vaccine rollout.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
At least Operation Warp Speed has received some kudos from objective outlets.
Yes. To praise the quick roll-out of vaccines in one country and to criticise the shambolic roll-out in another would be the very definition of objectivity.
It was not about the vaccine rollout.
Operation Warp Speed (OWS) was a public–private partnership initiated by the United States government to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
You build a wall and you get no kudos whatsoever.
Like Hadrian you’ll have to wait centuries before your efforts are appreciated.
This article is about birth and death rates
Peak Warming Man said:
At least Operation Warp Speed has received some kudos from objective outlets.
Yes, CNN has given appropriate credit.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/kathleen-sebelius-operation-warp-speed-success-cnntv/index.html
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.
——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
You build a wall and you get no kudos whatsoever.
Like Hadrian you’ll have to wait centuries before your efforts are appreciated.
This article is about birth and death rates
we mean laugh at their Three Child Policy all you like but you have to hand it to CHINA, this was a brilliant play
start a pandemic that slowly wipes out the rest of the world, while you go for containment with good quarantine and intermittent lockdowns that lead to local baby booms, how much better could it get
dv said:
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
The truly stupid wording of that piece is depressing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
The truly stupid wording of that piece is depressing.
Hmm, can you give examples
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The US population grew by roughly 0.35% in the 12month ending July 1.——
America’s weak population growth, already held back by a decadelong fertility slump, is dropping closer to zero because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
In half of all states last year, more people died than were born, up from five states in 2019. Early estimates show the total U.S. population grew 0.35% for the year ended July 1, 2020, the lowest ever documented, and growth is expected to remain near flat this year.
Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-population-growth-slows-birth-rate-decline-economic-risk-11627231536
The truly stupid wording of that piece is depressing.
Hmm, can you give examples
Sure:
“Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.
One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
“
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The truly stupid wording of that piece is depressing.
Hmm, can you give examples
Sure:
“Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
“
Somewhat inelegant but nothing that is painful to read. What would you change?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Hmm, can you give examples
Sure:
“Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
“Somewhat inelegant but nothing that is painful to read. What would you change?
I would remove the implied and openly stated assertions that continued population growth is essential for the health of the economy of the USA, and replace it with openly stated assertions that reductions in population growth are good, and getting to zero growth is essential for the long term health of the economy.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Sure:
“Some demographers cite an outside chance the population could shrink for the first time on record. Population growth is an important influence on the size of the labor market and a country’s fiscal and economic strength.One bad year doesn’t automatically spell trouble for future U.S. demographic health. What concerns demographers is that in the past, when a weak economy drove down births, it was often a temporary phenomenon that reversed once the economy bounced back.
Yet after births peaked in 2007, they never rebounded from the nearly two-year recession that followed, even though Americans enjoyed a subsequent decade of economic growth.
With the birthrate already drifting down, the nudge from the pandemic could result in what amounts to a scar on population growth, researchers say, which could be deeper than those left by historic periods of economic turmoil, such as the Great Depression and the stagnation and inflation of the 1970s, because it is underpinned by a shift toward lower fertility.
“The economy of the developed world for the last two centuries now has been built on demographic expansion,” said Richard Jackson, president of the Global Aging Institute, a nonprofit research and education group. “We no longer have this long-term economic and geopolitical advantage.”
“Somewhat inelegant but nothing that is painful to read. What would you change?
I would remove the implied and openly stated assertions that continued population growth is essential for the health of the economy of the USA, and replace it with openly stated assertions that reductions in population growth are good, and getting to zero growth is essential for the long term health of the economy.
Oh okay, I thought your complaint was about the wording rather than the content.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Somewhat inelegant but nothing that is painful to read. What would you change?
I would remove the implied and openly stated assertions that continued population growth is essential for the health of the economy of the USA, and replace it with openly stated assertions that reductions in population growth are good, and getting to zero growth is essential for the long term health of the economy.
Oh okay, I thought your complaint was about the wording rather than the content.
Glad you asked then.
What irritates me is that this is so often presented as some unquestionable truth, and it very rarely is questioned in the wider media.
anyway back on topic this so-called expert remains completely ignorant
SCIENCE said:
anyway back on topic this so-called expert remains completely ignorant
like I suggested previous, the spin is so effective you can read some things on the subject omicron and the idea it’s a cure for delta might pop into your head
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
anyway back on topic this so-called expert remains completely ignorant
like I suggested previous, the spin is so effective you can read some things on the subject omicron and the idea it’s a cure for delta might pop into your head
Question, serious. If it’s getting mild, then why should we or our friends or family rush to catch it this season just for The Economy Must Grow, when we could wait until it finally gets mild in 2122¿
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
anyway back on topic this so-called expert remains completely ignorant
like I suggested previous, the spin is so effective you can read some things on the subject omicron and the idea it’s a cure for delta might pop into your head
Question, serious. If it’s getting mild, then why should we or our friends or family rush to catch it this season just for The Economy Must Grow, when we could wait until it finally gets mild in 2122¿
Be interesting to know how much protection it gives to Delta.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:like I suggested previous, the spin is so effective you can read some things on the subject omicron and the idea it’s a cure for delta might pop into your head
Question, serious. If it’s getting mild, then why should we or our friends or family rush to catch it this season just for The Economy Must Grow, when we could wait until it finally gets mild in 2122¿
Be interesting to know how much protection it gives to Delta.
tasmania might have joined the global petri dish today, so won’t be long and data could be available re just that
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I would remove the implied and openly stated assertions that continued population growth is essential for the health of the economy of the USA, and replace it with openly stated assertions that reductions in population growth are good, and getting to zero growth is essential for the long term health of the economy.
Oh okay, I thought your complaint was about the wording rather than the content.
Glad you asked then.
What irritates me is that this is so often presented as some unquestionable truth, and it very rarely is questioned in the wider media.
Nah fair point.
Queensland figures. Prolly get much worse when the plague-staters arrive.
Tamb said:
Queensland figures. Prolly get much worse when the plague-staters arrive.
only matters if they die right
Magic Mark
West Australian Premier Mark McGowan says 80 per cent of the state’s residents aged 12 and up are now fully vaccinated and 89.1 per cent have received a first dose.
WA to abandon its ‘island within an island’ approach
Remember, free travel was already happening while all states were at no community transmission so yeah better make sure there’s an endemic instead, nice one.
Next we need the hermit closed state of North Korea to tear down that wall.
call us communists but here is a Labor Territory which means we’ll be telling you all how correctly the follow up has been done
Fourteen of the new cases are from households in four streets in Katherine East, where a testing blitz had been taking place. “It’s a big number but it’s a number that we expected,” Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Manison said. “The blitz is working. We are finding the cases that we thought were there.”
no wonder Dan fkd up, they can’t even count in such a state
Nine Victorian Omicron infections under investigation
There are currently three confirmed cases of the strain in the state, all of them linked to international travel.
89.2% of people >16y have been vaccinated in Australia.
I didn’t think they’d get close to that by years end, when we were galking about this in July. You’ve all done very well.
dv said:
89.2% of people >16y have been vaccinated in Australia.
I didn’t think they’d get close to that by years end, when we were galking about this in July. You’ve all done very well.
credit where credit is due, Morriklian the best
so-called expert, probably idiot
SCIENCE said:
call us communists but here is a Labor Territory which means we’ll be telling you all how correctly the follow up has been doneFourteen of the new cases are from households in four streets in Katherine East, where a testing blitz had been taking place. “It’s a big number but it’s a number that we expected,” Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Manison said. “The blitz is working. We are finding the cases that we thought were there.”
I can’t recall…there was a testing blitz in Bondi? Wasn’t there? To find “the cases we thought were there”.
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
Have you not been paying attention?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
Have you not been paying attention?
I have not.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
Lockdown for all, forever.
poikilotherm said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
Lockdown for all, forever.
He’s one of those pentecostal fundamentalist eliminationists radicals.
At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.
“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
Peak Warming Man said:
poikilotherm said:
dv said:What does he suggest?
Lockdown for all, forever.
He’s one of those pentecostal fundamentalist eliminationists radicals.
chuckle
i’d reckon science’s position would be that the situation requires an approach of vaccine + other measures toward elimination
nothing radical about it
using vaccination for a program of endemicity is probably quite radical though, can be seen so
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
probably what anyone sensible suggests like vaccinate more of the population who should also still wear masks and enjoy freedom to breathe fresher cleaner air
poikilotherm said:
At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.
“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
fair enough, imagine if there were such a concept as maximally suppressing local transmission, so viruses have almost less time to mutate, and it led to incredibly few mutations, it would be a revolutionary idea
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.
“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
fair enough, imagine if there were such a concept as maximally suppressing local transmission, so viruses have almost less time to mutate, and it led to incredibly few mutations, it would be a revolutionary idea
“…Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination…”
substantially offset by bidirection mixing across the globe, call it international covid if you will, the natural migration of covid from areas of high incidence to areas of lower rates (including zero)
and regard that, the enthusiasm for endemic covid from highly vaccinated countries probably dilutes the (loyalty required for) broader efforts at prophylaxis in jurisdictions where vaccine coverage isn’t so good
ah well better late than never as they say, and in Communist Victoria too
Moderna vaccine to be made in Australia, with hopes for Victorian plant to open by 2024
probably another one of those foreign interference things that Corruption will step in and shut down if they get a chance
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ah well better late than never as they say, and in Communist Victoria tooModerna vaccine to be made in Australia, with hopes for Victorian plant to open by 2024
probably another one of those foreign interference things that Corruption will step in and shut down if they get a chance
I thought Victorians were Mexicans?
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
so-called expert, probably idiot
What does he suggest?
probably what anyone sensible suggests like vaccinate more of the population who should also still wear masks and enjoy freedom to breathe fresher cleaner air
here you go, found it, the fool wants to interrupt those host-concentrators that have demonstrated themselves to be the greatest infection spreaders
¡ imagine knocking out the highest value transmission opportunities, to protect all other societal opportunities !
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
What does he suggest?
probably what anyone sensible suggests like vaccinate more of the population who should also still wear masks and enjoy freedom to breathe fresher cleaner air
here you go, found it, the fool wants to interrupt those host-concentrators that have demonstrated themselves to be the greatest infection spreaders
¡ imagine knocking out the highest value transmission opportunities, to protect all other societal opportunities !
nah
good news, UK will soon acheive ZeroCOVID by this mechanism
SCIENCE said:
good news, UK will soon acheive ZeroCOVID by this mechanism
Matt’s out looking for a home test kit.
poikilotherm said:
At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
I don’t think you are allowed to put proper science in this thread.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/britain-records-first-omicron-variant-covid-death/100697628
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.
“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
I don’t think you are allowed to put proper science in this thread.
you mean you don’t want it to be true
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/britain-records-first-omicron-variant-covid-death/100697628
money’s on preexisting conditions
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.
“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
I don’t think you are allowed to put proper science in this thread.
you mean you don’t want it to be true
This forum seems to specialise in either truth or frivolity.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
poikilotherm said:
At higher rates of vaccination, viruses have less time to mutate, which generally leads to fewer mutations.
“Strikingly, we find the diversity of the SARS-CoV-2 lineages is declining at the country-level with increased rate of mass vaccination (n = 25 countries, mean correlation coefficient = −0.72, S.D. = 0.20)”
I don’t think you are allowed to put proper science in this thread.
you mean you don’t want it to be true
probably an important thing is a sense of there being science that isn’t done, and further that the science that is done displaces science that could be done, not an insubstantial thing given what a person is likely to be presented with, data and information, which rarely exists in or for a vacuum of intentions, and of that what information lends to, or finds its way into the service of
likely from toddler age a lot of children-to-become-adults develop what is somewhat the genesis of social systems theory, certainly proto-systems-theory ability, which may not be reliably or universally advanced by socialization
i’m watching the news right now, it occurs to me those presenting the news feign naivety about supposed shared assumptions for the purpose of effective content delivery, the content sounds more neutral, the receiver or audience then is left to add whatever of their own ‘interest’
but really it seems more neutral than it really is, or might be otherwise considered
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/china-records-first-case-of-omicron-covid-variant/100697798
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/britain-records-first-omicron-variant-covid-death/100697628
money’s on preexisting conditions
Fair assessment.
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:buffy said:
I don’t think you are allowed to put proper science in this thread.
you mean you don’t want it to be true
This forum seems to specialise in either truth or frivolity.
Nothing wrong with either.
Norway bans serving alcohol in bid to curb Omicron surge
Restaurants and bars will no longer serve alcohol in what the government says “will feel like a lockdown”, as the country expects Omicron to become the dominant variant in the coming days.
Now that is going to hurt.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:you mean you don’t want it to be true
This forum seems to specialise in either truth or frivolity.
Nothing wrong with either.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/china-records-first-case-of-omicron-covid-variant/100697798
bit gushy there interestingly enough
Despite isolated cases in various parts of the country, China has been able to suppress major outbreaks over the past year. It has reported just over 4,600 deaths compared to almost 800,000 in the US, a country with less than a quarter of the population. China pioneered the approach of strict lockdowns, multiple rounds of mass testing and centralised quarantine, during the world’s first major outbreak of the coronavirus in Wuhan.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
This forum seems to specialise in either truth or frivolity.
Nothing wrong with either.
Yes. I meant it as praise not criticism.
but “either” though, surely, why not both, some endemic truths are hilarious
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
probably what anyone sensible suggests like vaccinate more of the population who should also still wear masks and enjoy freedom to breathe fresher cleaner air
here you go, found it, the fool wants to interrupt those host-concentrators that have demonstrated themselves to be the greatest infection spreaders
¡ imagine knocking out the highest value transmission opportunities, to protect all other societal opportunities !
nah
What An Idiot, Couldn’t Even Stop This Disaster
NSW will press ahead with plans to give a swathe of freedoms to unvaccinated people tomorrow, as the number of new daily COVID-19 infections rose to a 10-week high. A total of 804 new cases were recorded in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday, 21 of which were the Omicron variant, prompting the Health Minister to issue fresh warnings, and fire one last broadside at people who had shunned the jab.
Oh wait it’s because the politicians are living in the stone age¡
“To the unvaccinated, it’s not fair to health workers that you can be so selfish to think that being unvaccinated is OK,” Brad Hazzard said. “Give up on the current views you have and go get vaccinated.”
Hm yeah it’s about the vaccination, all about the vaccination, the 40%-effective-after-3-doses vaccination, there’s nothing else to be done to stop transmission, you wouldn’t want to anyway, it’s mild, it won’t kill anyone, it won’t stop surgery, it won’t create a tide of chronic disease.
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:roughbarked said:
Nothing wrong with either.
Yes. I meant it as praise not criticism.
but “either” though, surely, why not both, some endemic truths are hilarious
Say cheese¡
No single animal model for severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) reproduces all aspects of the human disease. Young inbred mice support SARS-coronavirus (SARS-CoV) replication in the respiratory tract and are available in sufficient numbers for statistical evaluation. They are relatively inexpensive and easily accessible, but their use in SARS research is limited because they do not develop illness following infection. Older (12- to 14-mo-old) BALB/c mice develop clinical illness and pneumonitis, but they can be hard to procure, and immune senescence complicates pathogenesis studies. We adapted the SARS-CoV (Urbani strain) by serial passage in the respiratory tract of young BALB/c mice. Fifteen passages resulted in a virus (MA15) that is lethal for mice following intranasal inoculation. Lethality is preceded by rapid and high titer viral replication in lungs, viremia, and dissemination of virus to extrapulmonary sites accompanied by lymphopenia, neutrophilia, and pathological changes in the lungs. Abundant viral antigen is extensively distributed in bronchial epithelial cells and alveolar pneumocytes, and necrotic cellular debris is present in airways and alveoli, with only mild and focal pneumonitis. These observations suggest that mice infected with MA15 die from an overwhelming viral infection with extensive, virally mediated destruction of pneumocytes and ciliated epithelial cells. The MA15 virus has six coding mutations associated with adaptation and increased virulence; when introduced into a recombinant SARS-CoV, these mutations result in a highly virulent and lethal virus (rMA15), duplicating the phenotype of the biologically derived MA15 virus. Intranasal inoculation with MA15 reproduces many aspects of disease seen in severe human cases of SARS. The availability of the MA15 virus will enhance the use of the mouse model for SARS because infection with MA15 causes morbidity, mortality, and pulmonary pathology. This virus will be of value as a stringent challenge in evaluation of the efficacy of vaccines and antivirals.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
good news, UK will soon acheive ZeroCOVID by this mechanism
Matt’s out looking for a home test kit.
kirv phlattend
SCIENCE said:
Say cheese¡No single animal model for severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) reproduces all aspects of the human disease. Young inbred mice support SARS-coronavirus (SARS-CoV) replication in the respiratory tract and are available in sufficient numbers for statistical evaluation. They are relatively inexpensive and easily accessible, but their use in SARS research is limited because they do not develop illness following infection. Older (12- to 14-mo-old) BALB/c mice develop clinical illness and pneumonitis, but they can be hard to procure, and immune senescence complicates pathogenesis studies. We adapted the SARS-CoV (Urbani strain) by serial passage in the respiratory tract of young BALB/c mice. Fifteen passages resulted in a virus (MA15) that is lethal for mice following intranasal inoculation. Lethality is preceded by rapid and high titer viral replication in lungs, viremia, and dissemination of virus to extrapulmonary sites accompanied by lymphopenia, neutrophilia, and pathological changes in the lungs. Abundant viral antigen is extensively distributed in bronchial epithelial cells and alveolar pneumocytes, and necrotic cellular debris is present in airways and alveoli, with only mild and focal pneumonitis. These observations suggest that mice infected with MA15 die from an overwhelming viral infection with extensive, virally mediated destruction of pneumocytes and ciliated epithelial cells. The MA15 virus has six coding mutations associated with adaptation and increased virulence; when introduced into a recombinant SARS-CoV, these mutations result in a highly virulent and lethal virus (rMA15), duplicating the phenotype of the biologically derived MA15 virus. Intranasal inoculation with MA15 reproduces many aspects of disease seen in severe human cases of SARS. The availability of the MA15 virus will enhance the use of the mouse model for SARS because infection with MA15 causes morbidity, mortality, and pulmonary pathology. This virus will be of value as a stringent challenge in evaluation of the efficacy of vaccines and antivirals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BALB/c
“………….BALB/c is an albino, immunodeficient laboratory-bred strain of the house mouse from which a number of common substrains are derived. Now over 200 generations from New York in 1920, BALB/c mice are distributed globally, and are among the most widely used inbred strains used in animal experimentation…
The founding animals of the strain were obtained by Halsey J. Bagg of Memorial Hospital, New York, from a mouse dealer in Ohio in 1913. The name BALB is a concatenation of Bagg and Albino. From 1920, the progeny of the original colony were systematically inbred, sibling to sibling, for 26 generations over 15 years. During this time, the colony passed through the care of a number of scientists, including C.C. Little and E.C. MacDowell at the Carnegie Institution of Washington and H.J. Muller at the University of Texas at Austin. By 1935 the animals were in the possession of Muller’s student, George Davis Snell, who moved them to The Jackson Laboratory. This stock provided the basis of all the BALB/c substrains that are now in use around the world.
Snell provided some animals from this stock to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to maintain. In 1961 D. W. Bailey used some of these to generate a substrain at the University of California, San Francisco. In 1974, now 136 generations from the original breeding pair, these animals were returned to The Jackson Laboratory and were named BALB/cByJ. On 16 November 2005, The Jackson Laboratory reported this substrain had reached its 235th generation.
Snell also provided a colleague, J. Paul Scott, with some BALB/c breeding stock in 1938 or 1939. When a fire destroyed the main Jackson Laboratory buildings in 1947, all of Snell’s original breeding stock perished, but Scott’s mice were in a different building and survived. Scott donated stock back, at generation 41, to repopulate the colony. The progeny of these are now termed BALB/cJ and, as of 14 December 2006, were 221 generations from the founding stock. Other less popular substrains, such as BALB/cWt, are maintained at the Jackson Laboratory, while the BALB/cN substrain is maintained by the NIH…”
Two fully vaccinated truck drivers from South Australia have tested positive for COVID-19 after spending three days in Western Australia
SCIENCE said:
Two fully vaccinated truck drivers from South Australia have tested positive for COVID-19 after spending three days in Western Australia
Oh.
:(
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Two fully vaccinated truck drivers from South Australia have tested positive for COVID-19 after spending three days in Western Australia
Oh.
:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/truck-drivers-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-visiting-wa/100700062
So why is it not being considered that they might have picked it up in WA?
buffy said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Two fully vaccinated truck drivers from South Australia have tested positive for COVID-19 after spending three days in Western Australia
Oh.
:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/truck-drivers-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-visiting-wa/100700062
So why is it not being considered that they might have picked it up in WA?
The cases have stemmed from two different trucks entering the state on December 9, with all testing negative for the virus at the border before being allowed in.
The first truck was carrying two drivers, who were in WA from December 9 to December 11.
Both returned positive PCR tests for COVID-19 after returning to South Australia.
“So it is possible both men were infectious during the three days that they were in Western Australia,” Health Minister Roger Cook said.
?
buffy said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Two fully vaccinated truck drivers from South Australia have tested positive for COVID-19 after spending three days in Western Australia
Oh.
:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/truck-drivers-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-visiting-wa/100700062
So why is it not being considered that they might have picked it up in WA?
Probably because they haven’t had community transmission for such a long time, but SA has.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Oh.
:(
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/truck-drivers-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-visiting-wa/100700062
So why is it not being considered that they might have picked it up in WA?
Probably because they haven’t had community transmission for such a long time, but SA has.
But the truckies could have been to places not bothering to test much. Certainly here in the outer parts of Victoria there isn’t much testing going on. If you don’t do targeted testing, you won’t necessarily find this low/no symptomatic thing.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/truck-drivers-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-visiting-wa/100700062
So why is it not being considered that they might have picked it up in WA?
Probably because they haven’t had community transmission for such a long time, but SA has.
But the truckies could have been to places not bothering to test much. Certainly here in the outer parts of Victoria there isn’t much testing going on. If you don’t do targeted testing, you won’t necessarily find this low/no symptomatic thing.
Quite true.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Probably because they haven’t had community transmission for such a long time, but SA has.
But the truckies could have been to places not bothering to test much. Certainly here in the outer parts of Victoria there isn’t much testing going on. If you don’t do targeted testing, you won’t necessarily find this low/no symptomatic thing.
Quite true.
Outback residents say it’s absurd that COVID testing is not available anywhere near the SA-NT border, particularly amid a scare at the nearby APY Lands.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/covid-19-tests-sorely-lacking-in-sa-outback-mum-says/100699158
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/truck-drivers-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-visiting-wa/100700062
So why is it not being considered that they might have picked it up in WA?
Probably because they haven’t had community transmission for such a long time, but SA has.
But the truckies could have been to places not bothering to test much. Certainly here in the outer parts of Victoria there isn’t much testing going on. If you don’t do targeted testing, you won’t necessarily find this low/no symptomatic thing.
However, if you have community transmission, somebody will have symptoms. Actually, more than half of the people with COVID will have symptoms. One of those will probably get tested. I seriously doubt that community transmission is hiding in WA.
Whilst is possible, it is improbable; so, applying Occam’s Razor – the simplest solution is that the truckies contracted COVID outside of WA.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Probably because they haven’t had community transmission for such a long time, but SA has.
But the truckies could have been to places not bothering to test much. Certainly here in the outer parts of Victoria there isn’t much testing going on. If you don’t do targeted testing, you won’t necessarily find this low/no symptomatic thing.
However, if you have community transmission, somebody will have symptoms. Actually, more than half of the people with COVID will have symptoms. One of those will probably get tested. I seriously doubt that community transmission is hiding in WA.
Whilst is possible, it is improbable; so, applying Occam’s Razor – the simplest solution is that the truckies contracted COVID outside of WA.
probably originated in that festering shithole victoria, like buffy didn’t exactly say, but kick back and relax, eventually the entire country will be the same, it’s the egalitarian way
transition said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:But the truckies could have been to places not bothering to test much. Certainly here in the outer parts of Victoria there isn’t much testing going on. If you don’t do targeted testing, you won’t necessarily find this low/no symptomatic thing.
However, if you have community transmission, somebody will have symptoms. Actually, more than half of the people with COVID will have symptoms. One of those will probably get tested. I seriously doubt that community transmission is hiding in WA.
Whilst is possible, it is improbable; so, applying Occam’s Razor – the simplest solution is that the truckies contracted COVID outside of WA.
probably originated in that festering shithole victoria, like buffy didn’t exactly say, but kick back and relax, eventually the entire country will be the same, it’s the egalitarian way
:)
Freedom = Think Of Measures To Restrict ¡
WA opens its borders….WA closes its borders….
Runs away.
Tau.Neutrino said:
WA opens its borders….WA closes its borders….
Runs away.
but
ahahahahahahahaha
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:WA opens its borders….WA closes its borders….
Runs away.
but
ahahahahahahahaha
probably inappropriate to chuckle, but I did, somewhat muted it was
people will look at the numbers and self-impose constraints on their social exchanges, many of which simply won’t happen, which will go largely unmeasured, unstudied, being potentially inconvenient as it would be to the endemic covid enthusiasts
if you’re not officially locked down you could be in a more private way
the recluses will compensate for the more gregarious covid vehicles I expect
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
WA opens its borders….WA closes its borders….
Runs away.
but
ahahahahahahahaha
probably inappropriate to chuckle, but I did, somewhat muted it was
people will look at the numbers and self-impose constraints on their social exchanges, many of which simply won’t happen, which will go largely unmeasured, unstudied, being potentially inconvenient as it would be to the endemic covid enthusiasts
if you’re not officially locked down you could be in a more private way
the recluses will compensate for the more gregarious covid vehicles I expect
yes as all of the readers here may have gathered we’ve been unsocial mad scientists despite the best attempts of our state/territory to genocide kill us
pity about The Economy Must Grow though, that sheltering despite unrestrictions habit might cost the psychosociopaths a bit
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
but
ahahahahahahahaha
probably inappropriate to chuckle, but I did, somewhat muted it was
people will look at the numbers and self-impose constraints on their social exchanges, many of which simply won’t happen, which will go largely unmeasured, unstudied, being potentially inconvenient as it would be to the endemic covid enthusiasts
if you’re not officially locked down you could be in a more private way
the recluses will compensate for the more gregarious covid vehicles I expect
yes as all of the readers here may have gathered we’ve been unsocial mad scientists despite the best attempts of our state/territory to
genocidekill uspity about The Economy Must Grow though, that sheltering despite unrestrictions habit might cost the psychosociopaths a bit
Damn sheeple!
Health officials confirm a person with the Omicron variant attended venues in Fitzroy and Collingwood on Friday night, potentially exposing hundreds of people to the virus.
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:WA opens its borders….WA closes its borders….
Runs away.
but
ahahahahahahahaha
So I looked up Dr David Berger. He’s a GP in Broome with some experience in overseas aid.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
WA opens its borders….WA closes its borders….
Runs away.
but
ahahahahahahahaha
So I looked up Dr David Berger. He’s a GP in Broome with some experience in overseas aid.
how dare ‘e comment about health care
SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
I tried and failed.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
I tried and failed.
“We’re fucked”.
Dark Orange said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
I tried and failed.
“We’re fucked”.
Ha!
:)
SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
yeah global plague, again, some vaccination + a broader unresponse
so instead of vaccine plus, it’s vaccine minus
could be worse than anything previous, and it’s like derrr normalize plague
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
yeah global plague, again, some vaccination + a broader unresponse
so instead of vaccine plus, it’s vaccine minus
could be worse than anything previous, and it’s like derrr normalize plague
don’t worry it’s just a mild increase
NSW recorded 1,360 new COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday. It’s the highest number of new infections since September 11.
those towers are about to come crashing down
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
yeah global plague, again, some vaccination + a broader unresponse
so instead of vaccine plus, it’s vaccine minus
could be worse than anything previous, and it’s like derrr normalize plague
don’t worry it’s just a mild increase
NSW recorded 1,360 new COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday. It’s the highest number of new infections since September 11.
those towers are about to come crashing down
yeah it’s off and away
bullshit it is
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
yeah global plague, again, some vaccination + a broader unresponse
so instead of vaccine plus, it’s vaccine minus
could be worse than anything previous, and it’s like derrr normalize plague
don’t worry it’s just a mild increase
NSW recorded 1,360 new COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday. It’s the highest number of new infections since September 11.
those towers are about to come crashing down
SUPERSPREADERS STRIKE AGAIN!
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
yeah global plague, again, some vaccination + a broader unresponse
so instead of vaccine plus, it’s vaccine minus
could be worse than anything previous, and it’s like derrr normalize plague
don’t worry it’s just a mild increase
NSW recorded 1,360 new COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday. It’s the highest number of new infections since September 11.
those towers are about to come crashing down
SUPERSPREADERS STRIKE AGAIN!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7587542/
Neurological manifestations in pandemics frequently cause short and long-term consequences which are frequently overlooked. Despite advances in the treatment of infectious diseases, nervous system involvement remains a challenge, with limited treatments often available. The under-recognition of neurological manifestations may lead to an increase in the burden of acute disease as well as secondary complications with long-term consequences. Nervous system infection or dysfunction during pandemics is common and its enduring consequences, especially among vulnerable populations, are frequently forgotten. An improved understanding the possible mechanisms of neurological damage during epidemics, and increased recognition of the possible manifestations is fundamental to bring insights when dealing with future outbreaks. To reverse this gap in knowledge, we reviewed all the pandemics, large and important epidemics of human history in which neurological manifestations are evident, and described the possible physiological processes that leads to the adverse sequelae caused or triggered by those pathogens.
written by so-called “experts” so probably wrong
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
don’t worry it’s just a mild increase
NSW recorded 1,360 new COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday. It’s the highest number of new infections since September 11.
those towers are about to come crashing down
SUPERSPREADERS STRIKE AGAIN!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7587542/
Neurological manifestations in pandemics frequently cause short and long-term consequences which are frequently overlooked. Despite advances in the treatment of infectious diseases, nervous system involvement remains a challenge, with limited treatments often available. The under-recognition of neurological manifestations may lead to an increase in the burden of acute disease as well as secondary complications with long-term consequences. Nervous system infection or dysfunction during pandemics is common and its enduring consequences, especially among vulnerable populations, are frequently forgotten. An improved understanding the possible mechanisms of neurological damage during epidemics, and increased recognition of the possible manifestations is fundamental to bring insights when dealing with future outbreaks. To reverse this gap in knowledge, we reviewed all the pandemics, large and important epidemics of human history in which neurological manifestations are evident, and described the possible physiological processes that leads to the adverse sequelae caused or triggered by those pathogens.
written by so-called “experts” so probably wrong
the sort of territory a lot of people would prefer to stay ignorant about, probably add witty to the list
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Deserved
QLD opened their borders on Monday, a week before new rules preventing the unvaxxed from participating in the hospitality field.
I have head of many people preparing for a “One last hurrah!” on the night of the 16th – the unwashed pox-ridden southerners mingling and exchanging bodily fluids with the unprepared unvaxxed masses all the way up coastal Queensland.
Then a week later, all those potential infections go to family gatherings and their yearly duty of visiting grandparents, and a week after that, party again for NYE.
The first week of 2022 will be an interesting one, for sure.
I am glad I am in WA.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
SUPERSPREADERS STRIKE AGAIN!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7587542/
Neurological manifestations in pandemics frequently cause short and long-term consequences which are frequently overlooked. Despite advances in the treatment of infectious diseases, nervous system involvement remains a challenge, with limited treatments often available. The under-recognition of neurological manifestations may lead to an increase in the burden of acute disease as well as secondary complications with long-term consequences. Nervous system infection or dysfunction during pandemics is common and its enduring consequences, especially among vulnerable populations, are frequently forgotten. An improved understanding the possible mechanisms of neurological damage during epidemics, and increased recognition of the possible manifestations is fundamental to bring insights when dealing with future outbreaks. To reverse this gap in knowledge, we reviewed all the pandemics, large and important epidemics of human history in which neurological manifestations are evident, and described the possible physiological processes that leads to the adverse sequelae caused or triggered by those pathogens.
written by so-called “experts” so probably wrong
the sort of territory a lot of people would prefer to stay ignorant about, probably add witty to the list
You’re the one ignorant about the attitude towards covid in the wider community. All sheeple apparently.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
put these 5 not very much thoughts together into a story and make sense of it
yeah global plague, again, some vaccination + a broader unresponse
so instead of vaccine plus, it’s vaccine minus
could be worse than anything previous, and it’s like derrr normalize plague
don’t worry it’s just a mild increase
NSW recorded 1,360 new COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8pm yesterday. It’s the highest number of new infections since September 11.
those towers are about to come crashing down
Too right they are.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7587542/
Neurological manifestations in pandemics frequently cause short and long-term consequences which are frequently overlooked. Despite advances in the treatment of infectious diseases, nervous system involvement remains a challenge, with limited treatments often available. The under-recognition of neurological manifestations may lead to an increase in the burden of acute disease as well as secondary complications with long-term consequences. Nervous system infection or dysfunction during pandemics is common and its enduring consequences, especially among vulnerable populations, are frequently forgotten. An improved understanding the possible mechanisms of neurological damage during epidemics, and increased recognition of the possible manifestations is fundamental to bring insights when dealing with future outbreaks. To reverse this gap in knowledge, we reviewed all the pandemics, large and important epidemics of human history in which neurological manifestations are evident, and described the possible physiological processes that leads to the adverse sequelae caused or triggered by those pathogens.
written by so-called “experts” so probably wrong
the sort of territory a lot of people would prefer to stay ignorant about, probably add witty to the list
You’re the one ignorant about the attitude towards covid in the wider community. All sheeple apparently.
i’ve never said that or inferred it, whatever seems to be floating around in your head though, maybe dig a little deeper into that working imagination that’s possibly not caused you any useful horror, develop it some
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:the sort of territory a lot of people would prefer to stay ignorant about, probably add witty to the list
You’re the one ignorant about the attitude towards covid in the wider community. All sheeple apparently.
i’ve never said that or inferred it, whatever seems to be floating around in your head though, maybe dig a little deeper into that working imagination that’s possibly not caused you any useful horror, develop it some
And you could converse in English.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
You’re the one ignorant about the attitude towards covid in the wider community. All sheeple apparently.
i’ve never said that or inferred it, whatever seems to be floating around in your head though, maybe dig a little deeper into that working imagination that’s possibly not caused you any useful horror, develop it some
And you could converse in English.
seems legit’
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:transition said:
i’ve never said that or inferred it, whatever seems to be floating around in your head though, maybe dig a little deeper into that working imagination that’s possibly not caused you any useful horror, develop it some
And you could converse in English.
seems legit’
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
And you could converse in English.
seems legit’
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
is it English or is it not
Evidence From A So-Called Expert That Schools Prevent Adult Suicide
By Causing Them Earlier, So They Are Child Suicides
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
seems legit’
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
is it English or is it not
another good way to prevent youth suicide
love that alphanumeric ordering of course
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
seems legit’
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
is it English or is it not
actually it’s a fairly straight sentence really, it more landed in alien cognitive territory for witty is all
all right then but we’re not going to play into everyone’s humiliation of synaesthetes thanks sense you all later
transition said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
is it English or is it not
actually it’s a fairly straight sentence really, it more landed in alien cognitive territory for witty is all
Don’t feel bad. We can’t all make ourselves clear like a five year old.
just before you all go a couple more
mild
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
good news, UK will soon acheive ZeroCOVID by this mechanism
Matt’s out looking for a home test kit.
kirv phlattend
definitely peaked
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:is it English or is it not
actually it’s a fairly straight sentence really, it more landed in alien cognitive territory for witty is all
Don’t feel bad. We can’t all make ourselves clear like a five year old.
Transition’s position on this topic has always been abundantly clear I’d have thought.
And I agree with him, for the most part.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
seems legit’
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
is it English or is it not
The words are.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:actually it’s a fairly straight sentence really, it more landed in alien cognitive territory for witty is all
Don’t feel bad. We can’t all make ourselves clear like a five year old.
Transition’s position on this topic has always been abundantly clear I’d have thought.
And I agree with him, for the most part.
His opinion is gleaned through repetition. Not by any clear or concise exploration of the topic.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:Tau.Neutrino said:
Matt’s out looking for a home test kit.
kirv phlattend
definitely peaked
Poor buggers.
:(
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:actually it’s a fairly straight sentence really, it more landed in alien cognitive territory for witty is all
Don’t feel bad. We can’t all make ourselves clear like a five year old.
Transition’s position on this topic has always been abundantly clear I’d have thought.
And I agree with him, for the most part.
I’d just like to say that although I’m frequently not sure what transition is getting at, having a variety of writing styles here is undoubtedly a good thing, and even if it wasn’t, it’s entirely up to him how he expresses himself.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
Yeah because the reason everyone has a hard time understanding what Onty’s on about is everyone elses’ fault.
is it English or is it not
The words are.
that is the beauty of written English, instantly recognizable.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Don’t feel bad. We can’t all make ourselves clear like a five year old.
Transition’s position on this topic has always been abundantly clear I’d have thought.
And I agree with him, for the most part.
I’d just like to say that although I’m frequently not sure what transition is getting at, having a variety of writing styles here is undoubtedly a good thing, and even if it wasn’t, it’s entirely up to him how he expresses himself.
It’s more his arrogance in thinking his writing is somehow of some great import and unique clarity when it’s usually just convoluted and incoherent.
I see the covid measures got through the UK parliament ok last night.
Some of the government members voted against the government measures which is fine in an egalitarian party. However the labour borg shepple…………well the less said about them the better.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:is it English or is it not
actually it’s a fairly straight sentence really, it more landed in alien cognitive territory for witty is all
Don’t feel bad. We can’t all make ourselves clear like a five year old.
I don’t have any difficulties regressing, you should try, deconstruct and undo some of those adult assumptions that go blissfully unconsidered
Peak Warming Man said:
I see the covid measures got through the UK parliament ok last night.
Some of the government members voted against the government measures which is fine in an egalitarian party. However the labour borg shepple…………well the less said about them the better.
Don’t worry the shambles that is the Johnson government is probably not long for this world.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I see the covid measures got through the UK parliament ok last night.
Some of the government members voted against the government measures which is fine in an egalitarian party. However the labour borg shepple…………well the less said about them the better.
Don’t worry the shambles that is the Johnson government is probably not long for this world.
They’ll probably give him the Ambassador to Australia job when he resigns.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I see the covid measures got through the UK parliament ok last night.
Some of the government members voted against the government measures which is fine in an egalitarian party. However the labour borg shepple…………well the less said about them the better.
Don’t worry the shambles that is the Johnson government is probably not long for this world.
They’ll probably give him the Ambassador to Australia job when he resigns.
Or “High Commissioner” as it seems the job is known.
Has this been done yet?
“NSW is bracing to have 25,000 COVID-19 cases per day next month, according to the state’s Health Minister, “
Why not go for 100,000 as a prediction? Anything less will see them as heroes, and get them re-elected as the “Gold Standard” again.
Woodie said:
Has this been done yet?
“NSW is bracing to have 25,000 COVID-19 cases per day next month, according to the state’s Health Minister, “
Why not go for 100,000 as a prediction? Anything less will see them as heroes, and get them re-elected as the “Gold Standard” again.
“We are therefore on high alert but … we are trying to make sure we normalise, as much as possible in a one-in-100 year pandemic, the way we live our lives.”
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:Has this been done yet?
“NSW is bracing to have 25,000 COVID-19 cases per day next month, according to the state’s Health Minister, “
Why not go for 100,000 as a prediction? Anything less will see them as heroes, and get them re-elected as the “Gold Standard” again.
“We are therefore on high alert but … we are trying to make sure we normalise, as much as possible in a one-in-100 year pandemic, the way we live our lives.”
could turn out to be the biggest stupid since nuclear weapons testing and proliferation, even bigger
Woodie said:
Has this been done yet?“NSW is bracing to have 25,000 COVID-19 cases per day next month, according to the state’s Health Minister, “
Why not go for 100,000 as a prediction? Anything less will see them as heroes, and get them re-elected as the “Gold Standard” again.
And I see that as a “Gold Standard”, the definition of “close contact” has changed, so they don’t have to do more contact tracing as this COVID wave ramps up.
I see that probably one, possibly four of the Newcastle Omicrons has made it to QLD. Hmmm. Not a great look.
Back from the shops on this freedom day for the unvaccinated. No-one was wearing a mask, and there was no longer a QR code check-in at the entry to the store I was entering (Rebel).
I’m glad that the advice is that I still have a choice to wear a mask if I feel the need to :/
Speedy said:
Back from the shops on this freedom day for the unvaccinated. No-one was wearing a mask, and there was no longer a QR code check-in at the entry to the store I was entering (Rebel).I’m glad that the advice is that I still have a choice to wear a mask if I feel the need to :/
The powers to be seem quite determined that COVID should spread far and wide.
A mask seems to be an important accessory now.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Matt’s out looking for a home test kit.
kirv phlattend
definitely peaked
aha the scare campaign might just be hax so we’ll hold this space
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:
Has this been done yet?
“NSW is bracing to have 25,000 COVID-19 cases per day next month, according to the state’s Health Minister, “
Why not go for 100,000 as a prediction? Anything less will see them as heroes, and get them re-elected as the “Gold Standard” again.
“We are therefore on high alert but … we are trying to make sure we normalise, as much as possible in a one-in-100 year pandemic, the way we live our lives.”
could turn out to be the biggest stupid since nuclear weapons testing and proliferation, even bigger
normal
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59638954
West End hits The Lion King and The Life of Pi are among a number of shows that have been forced to cancel performances due to Covid-19 outbreaks. The Lion King called off shows on Tuesday and Wednesday due “to Covid-enforced absences” among cast and crew. Life of Pi at Wyndham’s Theatre pulled five shows from 9 to 13 December. The Royal Shakespeare Company’s Comedy of Errors at the Barbican in London has also cancelled all performances until 22 December due to Covid cases. The company said scrapping performances “was a last resort”. The National Theatre had to scratch Monday’s preview of its Christmas show Hex after one of its lead actors caught Covid.
Freedom¡ The Economy Must Grow¡ Mild¡
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
I may need this fleshed out a bit in order to understand your comment.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
I may need this fleshed out a bit in order to understand your comment.
Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams has evolved from general Trumpster into a supporter of every conspiracy theory going such that any piece of news is, for him, a form of brainwashing
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
I may need this fleshed out a bit in order to understand your comment.
Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams has evolved from general Trumpster into a supporter of every conspiracy theory going such that any piece of news is, for him, a form of brainwashing
I have a theory that Dilbert could be brainwashed thanks to Scott Adams.
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
He was always a bit out there.
I still love dilbert.
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1470888463406809089
I can think of two good reasons the experts might tell the public Ivermectin doesn’t work against Covid19.1. Because it doesn’t work.
or…
2. Because it does work.
If it’s 2, I think we’d have to look at the death sentence for anyone involved.
Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
He was always a bit out there.
I still love dilbert.
Same.
I’ve always been happy to separate the art from the artist
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1470888463406809089
I can think of two good reasons the experts might tell the public Ivermectin doesn’t work against Covid19.1. Because it doesn’t work.
or…
2. Because it does work.
If it’s 2, I think we’d have to look at the death sentence for anyone involved.
Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1470888463406809089
I can think of two good reasons the experts might tell the public Ivermectin doesn’t work against Covid19.1. Because it doesn’t work.
or…
2. Because it does work.
If it’s 2, I think we’d have to look at the death sentence for anyone involved.
Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
You could use George Christensen as a counter-weight.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
You could use George Christensen as a counter-weight.
:)
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backflip
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
We will have to wait to see if the past reflects the future.
I hope a cat isn’t involved.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1470888463406809089
I can think of two good reasons the experts might tell the public Ivermectin doesn’t work against Covid19.1. Because it doesn’t work.
or…
2. Because it does work.
If it’s 2, I think we’d have to look at the death sentence for anyone involved.
Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
Hydraulics.
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
Hydraulics.
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
or is asymptomatic?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
or is asymptomatic?
What came first: the chicken or the bat-eatin’ Chinaman?
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
Most likely.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1470888463406809089
I can think of two good reasons the experts might tell the public Ivermectin doesn’t work against Covid19.1. Because it doesn’t work.
or…
2. Because it does work.
If it’s 2, I think we’d have to look at the death sentence for anyone involved.
Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
If you can figure out how to, it could be a clue to how Stonehenge was built.
Neophyte said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
If you can figure out how to, it could be a clue to how Stonehenge was built.
It made me think more of the Easter Island statues.
Enormous, useless, weighty things, moved around using prodigious effort and precious resources, for no ultimate benefit at all.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
I may need this fleshed out a bit in order to understand your comment.
Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams has evolved from general Trumpster into a supporter of every conspiracy theory going such that any piece of news is, for him, a form of brainwashing
Ah, thanks.
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
dv said:I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
If you can figure out how to, it could be a clue to how Stonehenge was built.
It made me think more of the Easter Island statues.
Enormous, useless, weighty things, moved around using prodigious effort and precious resources, for no ultimate benefit at all.
the ultimate benefit was tourists.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Damn… Scott Adams has gone insaner
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1470888463406809089
I can think of two good reasons the experts might tell the public Ivermectin doesn’t work against Covid19.1. Because it doesn’t work.
or…
2. Because it does work.
If it’s 2, I think we’d have to look at the death sentence for anyone involved.
Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
LOLOL
sibeen said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Fair call. Death sentence for anyone promoting misinformation that kills people during a time of pandemic.
I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
You could use George Christensen as a counter-weight.
chuckle
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
As we’ll likely never find case zero, we’ll likely never know.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
or is asymptomatic?
What came first: the chicken or the bat-eatin’ Chinaman?
The chicken. The market in Wuhan was likely a superspreader-site.
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backflip
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
We will have to wait to see if the past reflects the future.
I hope a cat isn’t involved.
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
More Cold Feet
Symptoms were mild at first
Imagine waiting until the disease is free® to fuck everyone up, before thinking “hey let’s publish the stories of everyone who already got fucked up“¡
Tau.Neutrino said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:I ain’t stringing up Clive Palmer, I’ll do me back in
Hydraulics.
^ Largest hydraulic lift crane, was built to lift Donald Trump out of the White House, before being moved here to its current location.
Kerry Chant urges people to keep masks on in NSW as mandate scrapped and COVID-19 infections surge
Publicly, it’s been a united front for almost two years: NSW’s top medico Kerry Chant standing beside a premier, who has proclaimed whatever COVID-19 decision they were making was “based on the health advice”.
Now, there’s been a departure from that script.
On the same day NSW scrapped face mask mandates in most settings, Dr Chant — the state’s Chief Health Officer — admitted she wanted people to keep them on.
When pressed on the issue, Premier Dominic Perrottet said his team had considered Dr Chant’s advice, but managing the pandemic was “a balance”.
A raft of social distancing restrictions was lifted in NSW today despite COVID-19 cases surging to a three-month high.
It is now only mandatory to wear a mask in high-risk settings such as on public transport or at a hospital.
“That’s a matter for government in setting those mandates and all I’m saying is from a public health position, I am strongly recommending we keep masks and I’m asking the community to do so,” Dr Chant said.
“It’s a very tiny act and you’re actually protecting yourself but more importantly you’re protecting others.”
The state government has instead put the onus on the public to choose when to mask up.
“As we’re heading into this Christmas period … there’s no doubt shopping centres will be busier we just say please take personal responsibility,” the Premier said.
“We recommend masks, we’ve taken the advice into account, it’s always a balance in terms of the approach the government takes and that’s the decision we’ve made.”
Epidemiologist Mary-Louise McLaws, from the University of NSW, believes the mask mandate should have remained because “a third wave is coming”.
“From a public health perspective, it’s not the right precautionary call until we know much more about Omicron,” she said.
“This may not be the safest decision because no-one knows when they’re infectious before they start to get symptoms.”
But the Premier wants the public’s attention to shift away from case numbers and instead focus on hospitalisation rates and intensive care presentations — which are right now relatively low.
“We’ve always said from time to time, if we believe as a government there will be substantial pressure on our health system then we will tailor our settings accordingly,” he said.
“We’re learning to live alongside the virus, vaccination has been key to that.”
“As we are opening up, we are opening up safely.”
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Against the Public Health advice, Perrottet lets COVID out for Christmas. What a thoughtless twerp. What a Christmas present for NSW.
Please keep using your masks, people.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/kerry-chant-wants-masks-to-remain-covid19-omicron/100702906
And international health advice, too; on the same day, WHO says this:
“One thing to know right now: WHO says Omicron isn’t mild and countries should ‘do it all’ to stop it.
The head of the World Health Organization says Omicron is spreading at an unprecedented rate. Here’s the lowdown:
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says he believes the variant is now in most countries.
He says people shouldn’t be lulled into thinking it’s mild (even if it’s less severe than other strains), and all measures need to be employed to fight it.
“Countries can and must prevent the spread of Omicron with measures that work today. It’s not vaccines instead of masks, it’s not vaccines instead of distancing, it’s not vaccines instead of ventilation or hand hygiene. Do it all.”“
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/latest-news-omicron-update-who/100700800
all in the same article
Victorian government removes vaccination requirement for non-essential retail as Omicron exposure sends hundreds into isolation
People no longer have to prove their vaccination status to access non-essential retail in the state, except salons.
“It’s another punch that none of us wanted, but we’ve always rolled with the punches as we’ve needed to and we have to face the reality, and being in denial about it will delay and defer being able to manage cases appropriately,” he said.
we mean if you go kicking and laughing at the violent criminal doing some ice behind the burning dumpster, then when they fucking murder you it’s also like a punch that you probably didn’t want, but who knows someone might say you invited it
SCIENCE said:
invited
Laugh Out Loud
All passengers onboard flights VA1105 and VA375 were last night sent into 14-day quarantine but Health Minister Yvette D’Ath backtracked this morning, after discussions were had with chief health officers and their deputies around the nation.
Dr Gerrard said they initially took “an extremely cautious approach”. “But moving forward, following these discussions, we believe it will be safe to use our more usual infection-control measures whereby we isolate, or quarantine those people two rows in front or behind the passenger involved, even if it is Omicron as we expected.
“But moving forward, following these discussions, we believe it will be safe to use our more usual infection-control measures whereby we isolate, or quarantine those people two rows in front or behind the passenger involved, even if it is Omicron as we expected.
“We can reasonably expect that Omicron will spread in Queensland in the coming weeks, it won’t be a surprise, we are not going to change our plans as a result of that.”
well at least they got the theme right
Case numbers in Newcastle have exploded after a 1970s-themed prom night at the Argyle House last week.
Smallpox wasn’t gone until 1980.
Almost two centuries after Jenner hoped that vaccination could annihilate smallpox, the 33rd World Health Assembly declared the world free of this disease on May 8, 1980. Many people consider smallpox eradication to be the biggest achievement in international public health.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
dunno, might be more useful to consider the last person that has it, which could be more philosophy, perhaps a more useful proposition though, but whatever pack the cone in your bong full, make it a big one, light up and report back later, if you can’t get any sense out of us here then maybe pass the bong around, if we’re all stoned we may approach an equilibrium and agreement, call it a stoners consensus
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud Get Cold Feet And Do A Backfliphttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/vaccines-alone-wont-stop-omicron-covid-restrictions/100701146
Vaccines alone won’t stop Omicron. So which COVID measures are in place in your state?
Oh sorry what was that again after vaccines alone didn’t stop any of the others in the past suddenly it’s assumed knowledge that they won’t stop others in the future¿
Laugh Out Loud
wonderful work by the broadcaster there, helping us all transition to endemic covid
the numbers be up, and up on your screen every day, helped by people not being able to count zero
yeah they get their fingers out, hear zero, you can imagine the dilemma
I wonder if the first person who got COVID is still alive?
Odds are they probably are
NHSLand
“The numbers that we see on data over the next few days will be quite staggering compared to the rate of growth that we’ve seen in cases for previous variants,” she said.
doubt it, it’s pretty mild, shouldn’t cause any trouble at all
England has also introduced COVID passes for nightclubs and high-capacity venues, as well as reintroducing mask-wearing and working from home in bit to slow the spread of the virus.
Independent Sage, a group of experts and scientists unaffiliated with the government, have called for the government to go further and introduce a 10-day “circuit breaker” lockdown before Christmas to help try and contain the rapid spread of infections.
Among the measures they have called for include closing indoor hospitality and entertainment during the lockdown, and limiting indoor gatherings, both of which the prime minister has ruled out for now.
“The opportunity for early action has been lost and the time for further delay is over,” the group said in a statement.
“The situation is so urgent we must take emergency action now and that means it is imperative to reduce contacts.
“Advice is no longer enough since it does not convey the urgency of the situation.”
bunch of overreacting so-called “expert” fools
absolute trash
Deloitte Access Economics’ Chris Richardson said it is a fairly straightforward equation. “If you can stay ahead of COVID, the economy recovers beautifully,” he said. He said the Omicron variant has the potential to do plenty of harm if it turns out to be more severe than expected. “If it’s not mild, if Omicron or a later mutation forces us back into long and lengthy lockdowns, despite our vaccinations, then the economy’s back in trouble and the budget is back in trouble,” he said.
everyone knows that Let It Rip® is the only way to get The Economy Must Grow, you need to Live With Virus® to get people trading
How Good Roentgenium Is NSWuhan ¿
NSW recorded 1,742 new COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday. It’s the highest number ever recorded in the state in a day, breaking NSW’s previous peak of 1,603 on September 11. A total of 192 people are in hospital with the virus, including 26 in ICU.
There were no deaths in the reporting period.
NSW’s daily figure is also higher than Victoria’s for the first time in months. Victoria today announced 1,622 new COVID-19 infections in its latest 24-hour reporting period.
look at that, 0 / 1742, damn that Case Fatality Rate of 0.000000% is good, 100.000000% survival, Living® it up
Oh my…look at the test numbers…
Is that some sort of record for testing too?
Whenever I read how many are in ICU, I always want to know how many ICU beds they have in the state. Because, I have no idea if 26 COVID patients means 1% of beds are being used for COVID or if it’s a lot higher than that. A simple number is not useful unless you know if it’s a lot of capacity or not.
SCIENCE said:
How GoodRoentgeniumIs NSWuhan ¿NSW recorded 1,742 new COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday. It’s the highest number ever recorded in the state in a day, breaking NSW’s previous peak of 1,603 on September 11. A total of 192 people are in hospital with the virus, including 26 in ICU.
There were no deaths in the reporting period.
NSW’s daily figure is also higher than Victoria’s for the first time in months. Victoria today announced 1,622 new COVID-19 infections in its latest 24-hour reporting period.
look at that, 0 / 1742, damn that Case Fatality Rate of 0.000000% is good, 100.000000% survival, Living® it up
I guess the zero deaths stems from preOmicron times a couple of weeks ago, when NSW had a much lower infection total.
buffy said:
Oh my…look at the test numbers…
Is that some sort of record for testing too?
Gold standard, Ms Buffy. That’s what they are. Gold standard.
JudgeMental said:
Almost 3,000 children in NSW hit with fines of up to $5,000 for minor Covid rule breaches
Interesting, are the behaviours of children largely determined by their families, who might be expected to cover such a fine ¿
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Oh my…look at the test numbers…
Is that some sort of record for testing too?
Gold standard, Ms Buffy. That’s what they are. Gold standard.
Hence the gold colour surrounding the blue…
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
buffy said:
Oh my…look at the test numbers…
Is that some sort of record for testing too?
Gold standard, Ms Buffy. That’s what they are. Gold standard.
Hence the gold colour surrounding the blue…
Hence blue riband standard as well.
captain_spalding said:
That’s What Xi Said ¿
ABC News:
‘‘Rapidly escalating’: Queensland records 18 new community COVID cases’
Now might be a good time for Qlders to review their life-insurance policies.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘‘Rapidly escalating’: Queensland records 18 new community COVID cases’
Now might be a good time for Qlders to review their life-insurance policies.
good luck with that, everyone is suppose to catch it eventually I hear and read, the political authorities seem to think it a good idea
just try not to die at home, not too many please, it’s embarrassing, or in the hospital carpark
much as people like to count, statistics and graphs and all that, the detachment of it all, there’s a bit of the savant mathematician in all of us perhaps, the dying quietly at home thing makes the numbers less accurate, takes time to find you people
exciting shit
Interesting…
https://covidlive.com.au/nsw
(from 16/6-27/11)
- 9.2% of new cases were fully vaccinated.
- 7.1% of hospitalisations were fully vaccinated.
- 4.2% of ICU admissions were fully vaccinated.
- 14.6% of deaths were fully vaccinated.
The unvaccinated are 7 x more likely to die from Covid.
entertaining
Dark Orange said:
Interesting…
(from 16/6-27/11)
- 9.2% of new cases were fully vaccinated.
- 7.1% of hospitalisations were fully vaccinated.
- 4.2% of ICU admissions were fully vaccinated.
- 14.6% of deaths were fully vaccinated.The unvaccinated are 7 x more likely to die from Covid.
fair point, given that earlier estimates were a factor of 11, so apparently vaccinations are getting less useful
nice
saved by the hell
Laugh Out Loud
thankfully this new bug feature won’t have any impact in Australia, because so many of the population faced with overwhelming Corruption in Coalition still can’t smell a rat
SCIENCE said:
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Which country is that? It’s not a European one, they are doing tens of thousands a day.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
Which country is that? It’s not a European one, they are doing tens of thousands a day.
uh 10000 / 1000000 = 1% so should we expect flock immunity in 100 days
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
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Which country is that? It’s not a European one, they are doing tens of thousands a day.
uh 10000 / 1000000 = 1% so should we expect flock immunity in 100 days
Sorry, what? Which country? You post largely UK stuff, but it’s obviously not UK. They did 78,610 for 15th December.
Ref: Worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:buffy said:
Which country is that? It’s not a European one, they are doing tens of thousands a day.
uh 10000 / 1000000 = 1% so should we expect flock immunity in 100 days
Sorry, what? Which country? You post largely UK stuff, but it’s obviously not UK. They did 78,610 for 15th December.
Ref: Worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
it john hopkins down the bottom so maybe USA.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:buffy said:
Which country is that? It’s not a European one, they are doing tens of thousands a day.
uh 10000 / 1000000 = 1% so should we expect flock immunity in 100 days
Sorry, what? Which country? You post largely UK stuff, but it’s obviously not UK. They did 78,610 for 15th December.
Ref: Worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
they did 78610 / 1000000 ¿ damn
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:uh 10000 / 1000000 = 1% so should we expect flock immunity in 100 days
Sorry, what? Which country? You post largely UK stuff, but it’s obviously not UK. They did 78,610 for 15th December.
Ref: Worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
they did 78610 / 1000000 ¿ damn
No, they did 78,610 new cases. If you looked at the link.
Which country does your post refer to?
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Sorry, what? Which country? You post largely UK stuff, but it’s obviously not UK. They did 78,610 for 15th December.
Ref: Worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
they did 78610 / 1000000 ¿ damn
No, they did 78,610 new cases. If you looked at the link.
Which country does your post refer to?
it’s not really relevant if people can’t even be bothered looking at the image, and we know full well what the UK numbers were
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
they did 78610 / 1000000 ¿ damn
No, they did 78,610 new cases. If you looked at the link.
Which country does your post refer to?
it’s not really relevant if people can’t even be bothered looking at the image, and we know full well what the UK numbers were
FFS SCIENCE – everybody misses something sometimes. Why not just point out it was cases/million (or even answer the question)?
Standard Covid Test vs Rapid Antigen Test. What is the difference?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:buffy said:
No, they did 78,610 new cases. If you looked at the link.
Which country does your post refer to?
it’s not really relevant if people can’t even be bothered looking at the image, and we know full well what the UK numbers were
FFS SCIENCE – everybody misses something sometimes. Why not just point out it was cases/million (or even answer the question)?
Do your own research eh?
:-)
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
No, they did 78,610 new cases. If you looked at the link.
Which country does your post refer to?
it’s not really relevant if people can’t even be bothered looking at the image, and we know full well what the UK numbers were
FFS SCIENCE – everybody misses something sometimes. Why not just point out it was cases/million (or even answer the question)?
you mean in response to being told to FFS read the article ¿ well everybody’s allowed to be a hypocrite sometimes hey even all of us(1,0,0)
Speedy said:
Standard Covid Test vs Rapid Antigen Test. What is the difference?
PCR (Normal COVID test) takes longer but is far more accurate than Rapid Antigen Test.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Not from what we’ve seen in the Australian media for some time now.
Nah it’s a fair point and we apologise, we’re just fed up of the media minimising certain kinds of preventable death and suffering, while at the same time making a big song and dance about others. We’ll go back to other matters.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-16/newcastle-lunar-electric-festival-goes-ahead-despite-covid-spike/100704524
I don’t think that’s going to work out well.
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
Standard Covid Test vs Rapid Antigen Test. What is the difference?
PCR (Normal COVID test) takes longer but is far more accurate than Rapid Antigen Test.
Anecdotal evidence here. I was told that senior sprog and her bar manager were close contacts to someone who had been confirmed as having covid so I rushed out and bought same RATs, Both of them used them and both came back negative. SS had already done a PCR but had yet to receive the result, the next day it came through as positive. The bar manager went and did a PCR and also came back positive.
They’re not real reliable in my experience.
Speedy said:
Standard Covid Test vs Rapid Antigen Test. What is the difference?
Accuracy.
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
Standard Covid Test vs Rapid Antigen Test. What is the difference?
PCR (Normal COVID test) takes longer but is far more accurate than Rapid Antigen Test.
Thank you.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
Standard Covid Test vs Rapid Antigen Test. What is the difference?
PCR (Normal COVID test) takes longer but is far more accurate than Rapid Antigen Test.
Anecdotal evidence here. I was told that senior sprog and her bar manager were close contacts to someone who had been confirmed as having covid so I rushed out and bought same RATs, Both of them used them and both came back negative. SS had already done a PCR but had yet to receive the result, the next day it came through as positive. The bar manager went and did a PCR and also came back positive.
They’re not real reliable in my experience.
Wow. Thank you.
How is your daughter going? I assume the rest of you have not tested positive (yet).
Speedy said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:PCR (Normal COVID test) takes longer but is far more accurate than Rapid Antigen Test.
Anecdotal evidence here. I was told that senior sprog and her bar manager were close contacts to someone who had been confirmed as having covid so I rushed out and bought same RATs, Both of them used them and both came back negative. SS had already done a PCR but had yet to receive the result, the next day it came through as positive. The bar manager went and did a PCR and also came back positive.
They’re not real reliable in my experience.
Wow. Thank you.
How is your daughter going? I assume the rest of you have not tested positive (yet).
We’re all clear and now out of quarantine.
sibeen said:
Speedy said:
sibeen said:Anecdotal evidence here. I was told that senior sprog and her bar manager were close contacts to someone who had been confirmed as having covid so I rushed out and bought same RATs, Both of them used them and both came back negative. SS had already done a PCR but had yet to receive the result, the next day it came through as positive. The bar manager went and did a PCR and also came back positive.
They’re not real reliable in my experience.
Wow. Thank you.
How is your daughter going? I assume the rest of you have not tested positive (yet).
We’re all clear and now out of quarantine.
Excellent! :)
sibeen said:
Speedy said:
sibeen said:Anecdotal evidence here. I was told that senior sprog and her bar manager were close contacts to someone who had been confirmed as having covid so I rushed out and bought same RATs, Both of them used them and both came back negative. SS had already done a PCR but had yet to receive the result, the next day it came through as positive. The bar manager went and did a PCR and also came back positive.
They’re not real reliable in my experience.
Wow. Thank you.
How is your daughter going? I assume the rest of you have not tested positive (yet).
We’re all clear and now out of quarantine.
Speedy said:
sibeen said:
Speedy said:
Wow. Thank you.
How is your daughter going? I assume the rest of you have not tested positive (yet).
We’re all clear and now out of quarantine.
Excellent! :)
Serious question, you’re all in the same household but didn’t have massive transmission ¿
What methods did you use to prevent it ¿
SCIENCE said:
Speedy said:sibeen said:
We’re all clear and now out of quarantine.
Excellent! :)
Serious question, you’re all in the same household but didn’t have massive transmission ¿
What methods did you use to prevent it ¿
Daughter was kept in her room which has an ensuite. Left meals outside her door. When we picked up the used plates they were washed immediately.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Speedy said:Excellent! :)
Serious question, you’re all in the same household but didn’t have massive transmission ¿
What methods did you use to prevent it ¿
Daughter was kept in her room which has an ensuite. Left meals outside her door. When we picked up the used plates they were washed immediately.
‘Well done’ to all involved.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Serious question, you’re all in the same household but didn’t have massive transmission ¿
What methods did you use to prevent it ¿
Daughter was kept in her room which has an ensuite. Left meals outside her door. When we picked up the used plates they were washed immediately.
‘Well done’ to all involved.
^
Did you have to prevent air mixing, wear PPE when crossing paths (like when first going into room to isolate) ¿
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
Daughter was kept in her room which has an ensuite. Left meals outside her door. When we picked up the used plates they were washed immediately.
‘Well done’ to all involved.
^
Did you have to prevent air mixing, wear PPE when crossing paths (like when first going into room to isolate) ¿
No.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Well done’ to all involved.
^
Did you have to prevent air mixing, wear PPE when crossing paths (like when first going into room to isolate) ¿
No.
Interesting. So much for “it’s too infectious to control” narratives.
Anyway as they ^ say, nice work.
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
^
Did you have to prevent air mixing, wear PPE when crossing paths (like when first going into room to isolate) ¿
No.
Interesting. So much for “it’s too infectious to control” narratives.
Anyway as they ^ say, nice work.
+1
Byron Bay woman allegedly sacked by wellness clinic Church of Ubuntu for getting COVID jab
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100703588
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Nah it’s a fair point and we apologise, we’re just fed up of the media minimising certain kinds of preventable death and suffering, while at the same time making a big song and dance about others. We’ll go back to other matters.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-16/newcastle-lunar-electric-festival-goes-ahead-despite-covid-spike/100704524
I don’t think that’s going to work out well.
¡ the content has changed !
How long before bastard policy-makers legislate to stop public health authorities from having the power to block superspreader events ¿
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:sarahs mum said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-16/newcastle-lunar-electric-festival-goes-ahead-despite-covid-spike/100704524
I don’t think that’s going to work out well.
¡ the content has changed !
How long before bastard policy-makers legislate to stop public health authorities from having the power to block superspreader events ¿
That’s a far better outcome than I expected.
SCIENCE said:
Speedy said:sibeen said:
We’re all clear and now out of quarantine.
Excellent! :)
Serious question, you’re all in the same household but didn’t have massive transmission ¿
What methods did you use to prevent it ¿
She refrained from coughing and spluttering all over the rest of them.
