The anniversary is coming up tomorrow of the iinsurgency.
US President Joe Biden plans to honour law enforcement at an address to mark one year since the deadly January 6 insurrection, while former president Donald Trump pulls the pin on his anniversary press conference.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-05/us-capitol-riots-anniversary-joe-biden-donald-trump/100739366
roughbarked said:
The anniversary is coming up tomorrow of the iinsurgency.US President Joe Biden plans to honour law enforcement at an address to mark one year since the deadly January 6 insurrection, while former president Donald Trump pulls the pin on his anniversary press conference.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-05/us-capitol-riots-anniversary-joe-biden-donald-trump/100739366
All it would take is < 5 min. of running your eyes down their histories
(One of total lifelong service to country vs self service)
to figure out the likely truth of the matter.
Let’s talk about whether it was really a coup attempt….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6zjigTxfQ4
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about whether it was really a coup attempt….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6zjigTxfQ4
Thanks, that Cline Center seems to be a good resource
https://youtu.be/kpNKuOpbEto
Beau discusses the tactics behind the released Hannity communications
Dick Cheney comes to Capitol on Jan. 6, says he’s ‘deeply disappointed’ in GOP leadership
While most Republicans were absent on Capitol Hill for the Jan. 6 anniversary Thursday, one of the party’s most prominent elder statesmen was there.
ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl spoke to former Vice President Dick Cheney just off the House floor.
Asked why he came to the Capitol this day, Cheney said, “It’s an important historical event,” referring to the anniversary of the insurrection. “You can’t overestimate how important it is.”
He added, “I’m deeply disappointed we don’t have better leadership in the Republican Party to restore the Constitution.”
He noted that his daughter, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., is an exception. She is the vice chair of the House select committee investigating the attack on the Capitol, and has come under heavy fire from fellow Republicans.
Cheney then went to the House floor with his daughter — he has lifetime floor privileges as a congressman who held the seat she now occupies — to observe a moment of silence.
One by one, Democratic members, including some liberals who castigated him and his politics when he was vice president — approached him to shake his hand and pay their respects.
Besides the Cheneys and her staffers, there were no other Republicans in sight.
As Cheney departed the House chamber, walking alongside his daughter, he told ABC News, “Very proud of Liz,” when asked for some parting thoughts.
“It’s great coming back,” he told a swarm of reporters. “Liz is doing a hell of a job. I’m here to support her.”
When asked for his reaction to Republican leadership’s handling of this day, Cheney — not one to mince words — said, “Well, it’s not a leadership that resembles any of the folks that I knew when I was here for 10 years — dramatically.”
Rep Liz Cheney said it was “very concerning,” adding, “I think a party that is in thrall to a cult personality is a party that is dangerous to the country, and I think we clearly have got to get to a place we are we are focused on substance and on issues.”
The former vice president then took the long walk across the Capitol toward the Senate chamber, stopping momentarily to take in a white stone bust of himself outside the office of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, who is far from the Capitol, and instead, at a funeral for a late GOP senator in Atlanta.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-capitol-jan-deeply-disappointed-gop-leadership/story?id=82112349
dv said:
Dick Cheney comes to Capitol on Jan. 6, says he’s ‘deeply disappointed’ in GOP leadershipWhile most Republicans were absent on Capitol Hill for the Jan. 6 anniversary Thursday, one of the party’s most prominent elder statesmen was there.
ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl spoke to former Vice President Dick Cheney just off the House floor.
Asked why he came to the Capitol this day, Cheney said, “It’s an important historical event,” referring to the anniversary of the insurrection. “You can’t overestimate how important it is.”
He added, “I’m deeply disappointed we don’t have better leadership in the Republican Party to restore the Constitution.”
He noted that his daughter, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., is an exception. She is the vice chair of the House select committee investigating the attack on the Capitol, and has come under heavy fire from fellow Republicans.
Cheney then went to the House floor with his daughter — he has lifetime floor privileges as a congressman who held the seat she now occupies — to observe a moment of silence.
One by one, Democratic members, including some liberals who castigated him and his politics when he was vice president — approached him to shake his hand and pay their respects.
Besides the Cheneys and her staffers, there were no other Republicans in sight.
As Cheney departed the House chamber, walking alongside his daughter, he told ABC News, “Very proud of Liz,” when asked for some parting thoughts.
“It’s great coming back,” he told a swarm of reporters. “Liz is doing a hell of a job. I’m here to support her.”
When asked for his reaction to Republican leadership’s handling of this day, Cheney — not one to mince words — said, “Well, it’s not a leadership that resembles any of the folks that I knew when I was here for 10 years — dramatically.”
Rep Liz Cheney said it was “very concerning,” adding, “I think a party that is in thrall to a cult personality is a party that is dangerous to the country, and I think we clearly have got to get to a place we are we are focused on substance and on issues.”
The former vice president then took the long walk across the Capitol toward the Senate chamber, stopping momentarily to take in a white stone bust of himself outside the office of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, who is far from the Capitol, and instead, at a funeral for a late GOP senator in Atlanta.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-capitol-jan-deeply-disappointed-gop-leadership/story?id=82112349
Dick Cheney is the good guy? Strange days indeed.
Not going to read this myself, as I’m enjoying our gentle rainy night and a mellow glow, but others may care to dip in:
A Guide to the Right’s Unhinged Conspiracy Theories about Jan. 6
The truth of what happened on Jan. 6 is damning for Trump and his cronies, but conservative media, Republican politicians, and Trump himself have spent the past year rewriting history
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-conspiracy-theories-capitol-riot-antifa-1278597/
Bubblecar said:
Not going to read this myself, as I’m enjoying our gentle rainy night and a mellow glow, but others may care to dip in:A Guide to the Right’s Unhinged Conspiracy Theories about Jan. 6
The truth of what happened on Jan. 6 is damning for Trump and his cronies, but conservative media, Republican politicians, and Trump himself have spent the past year rewriting history
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-conspiracy-theories-capitol-riot-antifa-1278597/
It’s hard to parse how a siege that left five dead and dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officers injured could be framed as a peaceful protest, but it was.
——
Those poor people.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coming-up-u-s-jobs-report-for-december-11641561153
U.S. gains small 199,000 jobs in December and unemployment rate falls to 3.9%
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Dick Cheney comes to Capitol on Jan. 6, says he’s ‘deeply disappointed’ in GOP leadershipWhile most Republicans were absent on Capitol Hill for the Jan. 6 anniversary Thursday, one of the party’s most prominent elder statesmen was there.
ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl spoke to former Vice President Dick Cheney just off the House floor.
Asked why he came to the Capitol this day, Cheney said, “It’s an important historical event,” referring to the anniversary of the insurrection. “You can’t overestimate how important it is.”
He added, “I’m deeply disappointed we don’t have better leadership in the Republican Party to restore the Constitution.”
He noted that his daughter, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., is an exception. She is the vice chair of the House select committee investigating the attack on the Capitol, and has come under heavy fire from fellow Republicans.
Cheney then went to the House floor with his daughter — he has lifetime floor privileges as a congressman who held the seat she now occupies — to observe a moment of silence.
One by one, Democratic members, including some liberals who castigated him and his politics when he was vice president — approached him to shake his hand and pay their respects.
Besides the Cheneys and her staffers, there were no other Republicans in sight.
As Cheney departed the House chamber, walking alongside his daughter, he told ABC News, “Very proud of Liz,” when asked for some parting thoughts.
“It’s great coming back,” he told a swarm of reporters. “Liz is doing a hell of a job. I’m here to support her.”
When asked for his reaction to Republican leadership’s handling of this day, Cheney — not one to mince words — said, “Well, it’s not a leadership that resembles any of the folks that I knew when I was here for 10 years — dramatically.”
Rep Liz Cheney said it was “very concerning,” adding, “I think a party that is in thrall to a cult personality is a party that is dangerous to the country, and I think we clearly have got to get to a place we are we are focused on substance and on issues.”
The former vice president then took the long walk across the Capitol toward the Senate chamber, stopping momentarily to take in a white stone bust of himself outside the office of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, who is far from the Capitol, and instead, at a funeral for a late GOP senator in Atlanta.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-capitol-jan-deeply-disappointed-gop-leadership/story?id=82112349
Dick Cheney is the good guy? Strange days indeed.
DARTH Cheney? architect of The GULF WAR….and War Profiteer?
CEO of Halliburton that stole the oil from Iraq thru Kuwait
and had Saddam Hussein bound & gagged when he complained
…then dragged him out and HANGED HIM to silence him for good?
Suuuuuure. I’d trust him…
and his daughter who has her greedy eye
toward running for presidency in the upcoming election.
Does anyone know what he is saying?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Capitol riots created shocking images — some of their most infamous subjects are now awaiting trialDoes anyone know what he is saying?
Maybe he stubbed his toe or something bit him?
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Capitol riots created shocking images — some of their most infamous subjects are now awaiting trialDoes anyone know what he is saying?
Don’t know but he was probably singing stairway to heaven.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-08/trump-after-january-6/100736202
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-08/trump-after-january-6/100736202
from article
Trump is no doubt bolstered by poll after poll that show him as the man Republicans want in 2024. A recent Politico-Morning Consult poll showed 69 per cent of Republicans want Trump to run again.
When Trump is compared to the Republican alternatives, no challenger is even close.
A Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll found 58 per cent of Republican voters it surveyed wanted Trump to run in 2024. The next closest challenger was former vice president Mike Pence on 13 per cent, followed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on nine per cent.
Plays Star Wars Darth Vader’s Theme
Star Wars- The Imperial March (Darth Vader’s Theme)
…. When the villain’s theme music is more popular than the hero’s…
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Capitol riots created shocking images — some of their most infamous subjects are now awaiting trialDoes anyone know what he is saying?
sorry to disappoint but
it’weren’t nuthin’ profound
..the self appointed Shaman
simply let out with a Primal Yelp
I was actually disappointed over what he looked like sans the get-up
Ogmog said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Capitol riots created shocking images — some of their most infamous subjects are now awaiting trialDoes anyone know what he is saying?
sorry to disappoint but
it’weren’t nuthin’ profound
..the self appointed Shaman
simply let out with a Primal YelpI was actually disappointed over what he looked like sans the get-up
I’d love to have his teeth. They look in better condition than mine.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Plays Star Wars Darth Vader’s Theme
Star Wars- The Imperial March (Darth Vader’s Theme)…. When the villain’s theme music is more popular than the hero’s…
Ogmog said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Capitol riots created shocking images — some of their most infamous subjects are now awaiting trialDoes anyone know what he is saying?
sorry to disappoint but
it’weren’t nuthin’ profound
..the self appointed Shaman
simply let out with a Primal YelpI was actually disappointed over what he looked like sans the get-up
This is a favourite ‘wild man’ pose that Mr. Chansley would trot out any time that he saw a camera pointed his way, having presumably practiced it extensively as part of his ‘image’as a self-appointed ‘shaman’.
When authorities began investigating Mr. Chansley, he did what any ‘wild man’ ‘shaman’ would do: he ran home to mama’s house.
Bubblecar said:
Not going to read this myself, as I’m enjoying our gentle rainy night and a mellow glow, but others may care to dip in:A Guide to the Right’s Unhinged Conspiracy Theories about Jan. 6
The truth of what happened on Jan. 6 is damning for Trump and his cronies, but conservative media, Republican politicians, and Trump himself have spent the past year rewriting history
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-conspiracy-theories-capitol-riot-antifa-1278597/
That’s behind a paywall here. Can someone post it in full?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
Not going to read this myself, as I’m enjoying our gentle rainy night and a mellow glow, but others may care to dip in:A Guide to the Right’s Unhinged Conspiracy Theories about Jan. 6
The truth of what happened on Jan. 6 is damning for Trump and his cronies, but conservative media, Republican politicians, and Trump himself have spent the past year rewriting history
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-conspiracy-theories-capitol-riot-antifa-1278597/
That’s behind a paywall here. Can someone post it in full?
The surface-level facts of what happened on Jan. 6, 2021 are not very complicated. Trump hosted a well-attended rally in Washington, D.C. to stoke anger over Congress certifying the results of the previous November’s election. After weeks of telling his supporters that the election had been stolen, he gave a speech near the White House where he told his supporters to “fight like hell” and said he expected them to head to the Capitol. Some of them did, and some of them were already there, and together the two groups coalesced into a mob that broke into the building, resulting in five deaths and dozens of injuries.
In realty, this is all indisputable, but the American right-wing has been, at best, distantly orbiting reality for a while now, and over the past year conservative media, politicians, and everyday Americans have methodically constructed an alternate history of what happened on Jan. 6, one in which a deadly attempt to overthrow American democracy either wasn’t that big of a deal, or it was a big deal but it was perpetrated by a combination of left-wing activists, federal law enforcement, and Democratic politicians — anyone but Trump and his supporters, really.
These alternative facts, to borrow a phrase from the early days of the Trump administration, are immutable in the eyes of their adherents. The lack of evidence supporting them is entirely irrelevant. In a way, it’s the whole point, allowing believers to transmute “what happened” as they see fit, tailoring it to elude any inconvenient actual facts that may arise. As long as they keep their claims vague and difficult to disprove unequivocally — can we ever be totally sure absolutely nothing untoward took place during the 2020 election? — they’re as good as gospel.
“Conspiracy theories are powerful because they introduce premises that prevent evidence-based falsification,” Dolores Albarracín, a University of Pennsylvania psychologist who studies conspiracy theories, tells Rolling Stone. “For a realistic style of thinking, if there is no evidence for a belief, the lack of evidence invalidates the belief. Conspiracy theories undermine this logic and make it so that lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary proves the belief.”
It’s a fancy way of saying that conspiracy theories about Jan. 6 are here to stay. Below is a breakdown of how right-wing media and conservative politicians planted some of the most pernicious among them in the minds of millions.
Antifa was to blame
The pictures, video, and testimony from defendants arrested for breaking into the Capitol don’t lie: The mob was made up almost entirely of Trump supporters. The idea that members of antifa infiltrated the crowd to start causing mayhem was pushed early on by a right-wing media apparatus desperate to deflect blame from the president and his supporters.
Fox News host Laura Ingraham did it on the day of the riot. Ingraham tweeted that Trump should call off the rioters, but also suggested that “antifa supporters” may have been responsible for the violence. Brian Kilmeade of Fox & Friends a day later expressed disbelief that Trump supporters were behind the violence. “I do not know Trump supporters that have ever demonstrated violence that I know of in a big situation,” he said, tempering his acknowledgement that Trump supporters were involved.
The House committee investigating the attack revealed in December that both Ingraham and Kilmeade on Jan. 6 texted Chief of Staff Mark Meadows urging him to get the president to call off the violence. The text, along with a similar pleas from Sean Hannity, imply that Trump would have been able to influence the violent mob.
Republican politicians pushed the unfounded claim, too. Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) took to the House floor on the morning of Jan. 7 to claim that some of the people who breached the Capitol “were members of the violent terrorist group antifa.” He cited a since debunked and corrected Washington Times article, noting that he didn’t know “if the reports are true.” He made the claim anyway, as did Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), who tweeted on Jan. 6 that the riot “has all the hallmarks of Antifa provocation.” Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) told Lou Dobbs that “there is some indication that fascist antifa elements were involved, that they embedded themselves in the Trump protests.” Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) later said that “fake Trump protesters” were responsible for the violence.
The list goes on, and despite a total lack of evidence, the belief that left-wing agitators were responsible for the attack became orthodoxy among Trump supporters, and a go-to defense for anyone trying to defend Trump or Republicans in the wake of the insurrection.
The insurrection was peaceful
It’s hard to parse how a siege that left five dead and dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officers injured could be framed as a peaceful protest, but it was.
It started immediately, too. Fox News anchors were tripping over themselves to describe the in-progress riot as peaceful. “It’s not like it’s a siege, it doesn’t seem. It seems like they are protesting,” said Bret Baier, one of the network’s relatively respectable news anchors. Another one, Martha MacCallum, said the riot “remains peaceful,” adding that it was a “huge victory” for the protesters. Griff Jenkins, who was on the scene, echoed this sentiment. “It has been peaceful, everything we have seen so far has been nothing but peaceful, but they are definitely fired up,” he said. “The chants I heard the most today was, ‘Fight for Trump.’ That is what many feel they are doing here, protesting, we will see where the day goes.” Mike Tobin, Fox News’ on-the-ground protest correspondent, even said that “aside from the things that were broken getting into the Capitol … they say there is no vandalism.”
These comments may have been made before the full extent of the violence was understood, but the fact that this initial softening of what actually happened was being done by Fox News’ news side in addition to its propaganda-spewing primetime anchors was crucial in laying the groundwork for conspiracies to take hold, as Angelo Carusone, CEO of the media watchdog group Media Matters, explained to Rolling Stone.
“The idea that people like Brett Baier were starting to question this or downplay it was, to me, the real fulcrum point,” he says. “They softened the ground early on, and I really think that that part is very significant. It’s not that I think that the right-wing fever swamps in the rest of the right-wing media would not have done what they did. They certainly would have. But that audience is always going to be lost. It’s the second, third, and fourth rings within the conservative circles that really define where the lines and the boundaries are in Republican politics and then in the larger conversation.”
The idea that the mob was made up people who were simply protesting persisted throughout right-wing media and among Republicans in Congress. The most shameless promoter of the idea that the riot was no big deal may have been Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.), who said in May that while some were violent, many walked through the Capitol “in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes, taking videos and pictures.” He then likened the deadly siege that left the Capitol ransacked to “a normal tourist visit.”
Photos from inside the Capitol show a panic-stricken Clyde helping barricade the doors of the House chamber and taking cover behind an officer with a gun drawn and aimed at the barricaded door as rioters tried to muscle their way inside.
The riot was a false flag orchestrated by the FBI
Sure, antifa infiltrated the crowd of peaceful Trump supporters and started wreaking havoc, but did you also know that the entire siege was a false flag operation orchestrated by the FBI? It took a little longer for right-wing media to come around to the idea that the whole thing was a Deep State conspiracy, but that’s where it is now.
The most notable pusher of the FBI theory has been Tucker Carlson, who in November released a documentary on Fox Nation teasing that the riot was a “false flag” and a “plot against the people.” The documentary features Darren Beattie, a former Trump speechwriter who was fired in 2018 after he appeared on a panel with a white nationalist. PolitiFact credits Beattie with originating the false flag idea, citing a purely speculative article published in June by his Revolver News website. Carlson seized on the idea two days later, and even invited Beattie onto his show to push it on multiple occasions, according to The Washington Post.
The mainstreaming of the idea that the FBI orchestrated the riot epitomized how quick conspiracy theories could bubble up from the fringes and find their place in national conservative media. “There was this cauldron in the fever swamps churning out plausible alternatives,” say Carusone. “It was antifa. This was a setup. This was the FBI. This was a false flag. You beat that drum that enough and you get from the fever swamps to Steve Bannon’s program to then Tucker Carlson and Fox News’ documentary about Jan. 6. There’s a straight line between the primary and principle promoter of that conspiracy theory about the about the FBI and the infiltration, and Tucker’s documentary.”
Conspiracy theorists in Congress like Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz quickly followed Carlson in pushing the false flag theory, which then spread like wildfire through right-wing circles in the ensuing months. It made its way to Trump himself in December, when he co-signed the idea during an appearance on Candace Owens’ podcast. “Right, it seems like that,” Trump said after Owens posited that FBI informants urged people to storm the Capitol. “And you have BLM and you had antifa people. I have very little doubt about that and they were antagonizing and they were agitating.”
Trump didn’t incite anything
The most important part of all of this, and every other bad thing that happens in this country as a result of the former president, is that Trump bears no responsibility. In reality, Trump was the tip of the spear of disinformation about the election results and spent the months preceding the riot riling up anger in his supporters. He promoted Jan. 6 in December and told supporters: “Be there, will be wild!” Once they’d arrived, Trump told supporters at the rally to “fight like hell” to reclaim the country, concluding his speech by saying he expected attendees to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. “We’re going to the Capitol,” he said. “We’re going to try to give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try to give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”
Trump’s rhetoric is indisputable. So is its impact. Many of the defendants on trial for their role in the riots have pointed their finger at Trump. “Trump called us,” rioter Danny Rodrigues told investigators in March. “Trump called us to D.C. If he’s the commander in chief and the leader of our country, then he’s calling for help. I thought he was calling for help. I thought we were doing the right thing.”
So too have the Capitol Police officers who have sued Trump for physical and emotional damages, the latest lawsuits coming on Tuesday. So too has Sandra Garza, the partner of Brian Sicknick, the officer who died after engaging rioters during the attack. Garza says both she and Sicknick supporter Trump before the attack. No longer. “I hold Donald Trump 100 percent responsible for what happened on Jan. 6,” she told PBS this week. “I think he needs to be in prison.”
The texts Ingraham, Hannity, and Kilmeade sent to Meadows on Jan. 6 suggest they believed Trump had something to do with it, too, and at the very least that the rioters were beholden to him. It would be sacrilege, however, for any of them, or anyone else on Fox News or another outlet down the right-wing media food chain, to broadcast that Trump was culpable. He sat and watched the riot unfold on television, something the Jan. 6 committee says it has first-hand evidence of, hearing pleas to intervene from Don Jr. and Ivanka and whomever else, and doing nothing.
It wasn’t his fault, though. It was the Democrats.
“The American people deserve to know the truth that Nancy Pelosi bears responsibility as Speaker of the House for the tragedy that occurred on Jan. 6,” Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) said in July. “Rather than providing with the support and resources they needed and they deserved, she prioritized her partisan, political optics over their safety,” the number-three Republican in the House added of the House speaker. The number-one Republican in the House agreed. “If there is a responsibility for this Capitol, on this side, it rests with the Speaker,” said Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.).
The 2020 election was stolen
The biggest lie of them all, the whopper that fueled the plan to overturn the election results, that brought Trump and thousands of his supporters to the Ellipse as Congress certified those results, and that inspired many of those supporters to then storm the Capitol in an unprecedented effort to subvert democratic process, is that the election the incumbent president lost by 74 Electoral College votes, over seven millions actual votes, and over four percentage points was somehow stolen. There is not evidence that anything resembling significant fraud occurred, despite audits, lawsuits, and the desperate efforts of Trump and his cronies to uncover something — anything — to suggest the vote was rigged.
The problem is that millions of Americans simply don’t care about the absence of evidence. They wanted Trump to win, Trump is telling them he did win, Republicans who know better aren’t correcting him, and so they’ve joined the Stop the Steal party. They’ve bought all the merchandise, they’ve memorized the talking points beaten into the discourse by everyone from Trump to right-wing YouTube hosts, and they’re calling for an authoritarian takeover of the United States to avenge a Democratic coup that never happened.
The party has grown bigger than most could have imagined, and by proxy has absorbed mainstream conservatives. An ABC/Ipsos poll released this week found that a whopping 71 percent of Republicans believe Trump was the rightful winner of the election. Another from the University of Massachusetts found 71 percent of Republicans believe Biden’s election was illegitimate. A Washington Post-University of Maryland poll put the number at 58 percent, but it’s hardly encouraging that a simple rather than overwhelming majority of one of the nation’s two major parties has bought into what might be the most outlandish, pernicious conspiracy theory in American history. Unfortunately, such is the state of things in the United States in 2022.
It wasn’t always like this, though. Carusone, who has been tracking right-wing media misinformation for years, remembers how back in 2009 the only real examples of right-wing media pushing reckless conspiracy theories were Glenn Beck talking about FEMA death camps and Obama hacking into GM’s OnStar system. “It was such a big deal when it happened that I remember it a decade later,” he says. “But it’s happening multiple times a day now. The audience has more kinetic energy and they’re scraping increasingly what used to be the fringes to keep that cauldron swirling.”
^ The outrage bus is social media.
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed”
It took them 75 years, but the Nazis appear to finally be winning the war with the US.
Thanks Boris
Witty Rejoinder said:
Thanks Boris
no probs. i wonder why we seem to get these different results? it varies with different pages, some can open them some cannot. appears to be no rime or reason.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Thanks Boris
no probs. i wonder why we seem to get these different results? it varies with different pages, some can open them some cannot. appears to be no rime or reason.
Yeah it is strange.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-08/trump-after-january-6/100736202
from article
Trump is no doubt bolstered by poll after poll that show him as the man Republicans want in 2024. A recent Politico-Morning Consult poll showed 69 per cent of Republicans want Trump to run again.
When Trump is compared to the Republican alternatives, no challenger is even close.
A Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll found 58 per cent of Republican voters it surveyed wanted Trump to run in 2024. The next closest challenger was former vice president Mike Pence on 13 per cent, followed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on nine per cent.
Plays Star Wars Darth Vader’s Theme
Star Wars- The Imperial March (Darth Vader’s Theme)…. When the villain’s theme music is more popular than the hero’s…
It should be noted that the % of American adults who identify as Republicans is down to record lows in the postWW2 era, only 25%.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Thanks Boris
no probs. i wonder why we seem to get these different results? it varies with different pages, some can open them some cannot. appears to be no rime or reason.
cookies/browser history?
Liberal Redneck – January 6th Anniversary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKYKO4UKIU
sarahs mum said:
Liberal Redneck – January 6th Anniversary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKYKO4UKIU
Make ‘em pay.. Should tell that to #novaxnovac
https://youtu.be/ygHqfGKZZz4
Always impressed by what a snivelling worm Cruz is
dv said:
https://youtu.be/ygHqfGKZZz4Always impressed by what a snivelling worm Cruz is
small things….
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/ygHqfGKZZz4Always impressed by what a snivelling worm Cruz is
small things….
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/ygHqfGKZZz4Always impressed by what a snivelling worm Cruz is
small things….
WHOA WHOA WHOA
Ain’t (the collective) We Forgetting Someone?
… amuse small minds. Thanks for showing their faces.
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/ygHqfGKZZz4Always impressed by what a snivelling worm Cruz is
small things….
WHOA WHOA WHOA
Ain’t (the collective) We Forgetting Someone?
Old Lindsay is attracted to powerful men. And as an septuagenarian never married man I mean it literally.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Ogmog said:
roughbarked said:small things….
WHOA WHOA WHOA
Ain’t (the collective) We Forgetting Someone?
Old Lindsay is attracted to powerful men. And as an septuagenarian never married man I mean it literally.
Yeah
I remember back when he was still sweet of John McCain
Dan Bongino and the Big Business of Returning Trump to Power
The Secret Service agent turned radio host is furious at liberals—so he’s trying to build a right-wing media infrastructure in time for 2024.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/01/03/dan-bongino-and-the-big-business-of-returning-trump-to-power
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dan Bongino and the Big Business of Returning Trump to Power
The Secret Service agent turned radio host is furious at liberals—so he’s trying to build a right-wing media infrastructure in time for 2024.https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/01/03/dan-bongino-and-the-big-business-of-returning-trump-to-power
America is more damaged than it appears to be.
If Far-Right Groups Are Bankrupted By Jan. 6 Lawsuit, ‘So Be It,’ Says D.C. AG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVD4q5WgTJ8
Let’s talk about Yellowstone and wolves….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEK2mrsuOMY
—-
Trump takes wolf off the protected list. Obvious happens.
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Yellowstone and wolves….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEK2mrsuOMY
—-Trump takes wolf off the protected list. Obvious happens.
Inbreed hillbillies kill them ?
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Yellowstone and wolves….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEK2mrsuOMY
—-Trump takes wolf off the protected list. Obvious happens.
Inbreed hillbillies kill them ?
Twenty of Yellowstone national park’s renowned gray wolves roamed from the park and were shot by hunters in recent months – the most killed by hunting in a single season since the animals were reintroduced to the region more than 25 years ago, according to park officials.
One pack – the Phantom Lake pack – is now considered “eliminated” after most or all of its members were killed over a two-month span beginning in October, according to the park.
Now, only an estimated 94 wolves remain in Yellowstone. But with months to go in Montana’s hunting season – and wolf trapping season just getting under way – park officials said they expected more wolves to die after roaming from Yellowstone, where hunting is prohibited.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/07/yellowstone-gray-wolves-hunting-montana
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Yellowstone and wolves….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEK2mrsuOMY
—-Trump takes wolf off the protected list. Obvious happens.
Inbreed hillbillies kill them ?
Twenty of Yellowstone national park’s renowned gray wolves roamed from the park and were shot by hunters in recent months – the most killed by hunting in a single season since the animals were reintroduced to the region more than 25 years ago, according to park officials.
One pack – the Phantom Lake pack – is now considered “eliminated” after most or all of its members were killed over a two-month span beginning in October, according to the park.
Now, only an estimated 94 wolves remain in Yellowstone. But with months to go in Montana’s hunting season – and wolf trapping season just getting under way – park officials said they expected more wolves to die after roaming from Yellowstone, where hunting is prohibited.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/07/yellowstone-gray-wolves-hunting-montana
I assumed they would be hunted.
Hmm what a magnificent creature better git ma gun and kill it
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Let’s talk about Yellowstone and wolves….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEK2mrsuOMY
—-Trump takes wolf off the protected list. Obvious happens.
Inbreed hillbillies kill them ?
Twenty of Yellowstone national park’s renowned gray wolves roamed from the park and were shot by hunters in recent months – the most killed by hunting in a single season since the animals were reintroduced to the region more than 25 years ago, according to park officials.
One pack – the Phantom Lake pack – is now considered “eliminated” after most or all of its members were killed over a two-month span beginning in October, according to the park.
Now, only an estimated 94 wolves remain in Yellowstone. But with months to go in Montana’s hunting season – and wolf trapping season just getting under way – park officials said they expected more wolves to die after roaming from Yellowstone, where hunting is prohibited.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/07/yellowstone-gray-wolves-hunting-montana
There seems to be a constant battle in the United States between exceptionally well educated and intelligent people against the most stupid and self-centered arseholes, and I can’t stop thinking that the arseholes win more times than they lose.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:Inbreed hillbillies kill them ?
Twenty of Yellowstone national park’s renowned gray wolves roamed from the park and were shot by hunters in recent months – the most killed by hunting in a single season since the animals were reintroduced to the region more than 25 years ago, according to park officials.
One pack – the Phantom Lake pack – is now considered “eliminated” after most or all of its members were killed over a two-month span beginning in October, according to the park.
Now, only an estimated 94 wolves remain in Yellowstone. But with months to go in Montana’s hunting season – and wolf trapping season just getting under way – park officials said they expected more wolves to die after roaming from Yellowstone, where hunting is prohibited.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/07/yellowstone-gray-wolves-hunting-montana
There seems to be a constant battle in the United States between exceptionally well educated and intelligent people against the most stupid and self-centered arseholes, and I can’t stop thinking that the arseholes win more times than they lose.
Yeah…
(sigh)
US Federal authorities have charged the leader of the extremist far-right Oath Keepers militia — as well as 10 other people — for their alleged roles in the Capitol riot.
Stewart Rhodes and 10 alleged members of the group were charged on Thursday with seditious conspiracy amid claims they conspired to oppose by force the transfer of presidential power to Joe Biden during the deadly January 6 attack on the Capitol last year.
The conspiracy allegedly involved the amassing of firearms and distribution to so-called “quick-reaction force teams”.
Prosecutors said Mr Rhodes had warned his group to prepare for a “bloody and desperate fight” in the days leading up to the assault, when supporters of then-president Donald Trump tried to stop Congress from certifying his election defeat.
The charge carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.
This is the first time alleged participants in the attack have been charged with seditious conspiracy, which is defined as attempting “to overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States”.
“We are going to have a fight. That can’t be avoided,” prosecutors quoted Mr Rhodes as saying in a group message on Signal, an encrypted messaging app.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/far-right-oath-keepers-charged-with-seditious-conspiracy/100755972
SCIENCE said:
I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
I would also very much prefer to have Harris running the place.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
With Harris becoming POTUS? I think she is even less popular. I can only see Biden serving out his term alongside an open Democratic primary.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
With Harris becoming POTUS? I think she is even less popular. I can only see Biden serving out his term alongside an open Democratic primary.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
It’s from a NYT opinion piece.
As I’ve noted before, one reason I pay very close attention to the Israeli-Palestinian arena is that a lot of trends get perfected there first and then go global — airline hijacking, suicide bombing, building a wall, the challenges of pluralism and lots more. It’s Off Broadway to Broadway, so what’s playing there these days that might be a harbinger for politics in the U.S.?
Answer: It’s the most diverse national unity government in Israel’s history, one that stretches from Jewish settlers on the right all the way to an Israeli-Arab Islamist party and super-liberals on the left. Most important, it’s holding together, getting stuff done and muting the hyperpolarization that was making Israel ungovernable.
Is that what America needs in 2024 — a ticket of Joe Biden and Liz Cheney? Or Joe Biden and Lisa Murkowski, or Kamala Harris and Mitt Romney, or Stacey Abrams and Liz Cheney, or Amy Klobuchar and Liz Cheney? Or any other such combination. Before you leap into the comments section, hear me out.
In June, after an utterly wild period in which Israel held four national elections over two years and kept failing to produce a stable governing majority, the lambs there actually lay down with the lions.
Key Israeli politicians swallowed their pride, softened policy edges and came together for a four-year national unity government — led by rightist Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and left-of-center Alternate Prime Minister Yair Lapid. (They are to switch places after two years.) And for the first time, an Israeli Arab party, the Islamist organization Raam, played a vital role in cementing an Israeli coalition.
What forced everyone’s hand? A broad agreement that Israeli politics was being held hostage by then-Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu, who resisted putting together any government that he would not lead, apparently because, if he didn’t lead, he could lose his chance at some kind of immunity from prosecution on multiple corruption charges that could lead to prison.
Sound familiar?
Netanyahu was just a smarter Donald Trump, constantly delegitimizing the mainstream media and the Israeli justice system and vigorously exploiting social/religious/ethnic fault lines to divide and rule. He eventually stressed out the system so much that several of his former allies broke away to forge a unity coalition with Israeli center, left and Arab parties.
As Hebrew University of Jerusalem religious philosopher Moshe Halbertal put it to me: “What happened here is that there is still enough civic responsibility — not everywhere, but enough — that the political class felt that the continued breakdown of the rule of law and more elections, which was leading nowhere, was an indulgence that Israel simply could not afford, given its highly diverse population and dangerous neighborhood.”
This new Israeli government will neither annex the West Bank nor make final peace with the Palestinians, Halbertal noted, but it is one “that will attempt to renew the relationship with the Palestinian Authority rather than weakening it. It is one that prevented a racist anti-Arab party allied to Netanyahu from entering the cabinet.” And it is one that is counterbalancing Bibi’s strong embrace of the less-than-democratic, ultranationalist states in Europe and evangelical Christians and Trump Republicans in America “by rebuilding ties with the Democrats, liberal American Jews and liberal parties in Europe.”
As Israeli leaders treat each other — and Israeli and Palestinians leaders treat each other — with a little more respect, and a little less contempt, because they are out of Facebook and into face-to-face relations again, stuff is getting done. Unity has not meant paralysis. This coalition in November passed Israel’s first national budget since 2018! So far, every attempt to topple it has failed.
Mansour Abbas, the Islamist party’s leader, even recently stunned many Israeli Arabs and Jews when he publicly declared, “Israel was born a Jewish state; that was the decision of the people.” He continued: “It was born this way, and it will remain this way. The question is, what is the status of the Arab citizen in the Jewish state of Israel?’’
Could this play come to Broadway? I asked Steven Levitsky, a political scientist and co-author of “How Democracies Die,” after he presented some similar ideas last week to my colleague David Leonhardt.
America is facing an existential moment, Levitsky told me, noting that the Republican Party has shown that it isn’t committed any longer to playing by democratic rules, leaving the United States uniquely threatened among Western democracies.
That all means two things, he continued. First, this Trump-cult version of the G.O.P. must never be able to retake the White House. Since Trump has made embracing the Big Lie — that the 2020 election was a fraud — a prerequisite for being in the Trump G.O.P., his entire cabinet most likely would be people who denied, or worked to overturn, Biden’s election victory. There is no reason to believe they would cede power the next time.
“In a democracy,” Levitsky said, “parties lose popularity and they lose elections. That is normal. But a democracy cannot afford for this Republican Party to win again because they have demonstrated a ton of evidence that they are no longer committed to the democratic rules of the game.”
So Biden-Cheney is not such a crazy idea? I asked.
“Not at all,” said Levitsky. “We should be ready to talk about Liz Cheney as part of a blow-your-mind Israeli-style fusion coalition with Democrats. It is a coalition that says: ‘There is only one overriding goal right now — that is saving our democratic system.’”
That brings us to the second point. Saving a democratic system requires huge political sacrifice, added Levitsky. “It means A.O.C. campaigning for Liz Cheney” and it means Liz Cheney “putting on the shelf” many policy goals she and other Republicans cherish. “But that is what it takes, and if you don’t do it, just look back and see why democracy collapsed in countries like Germany, Spain and Chile. The democratic forces there should have done it, but they didn’t.”
To put it differently, this Trump-cult version of the G.O.P. is trying to gain power through an election, but it’s trying to increase its odds of winning by gaming the system in battleground states. America’s small-d democrats need to counter those moves and increase their odds of winning. The best way to do that is by creating a broad national unity vehicle that enables more Republicans to leave the Trump cult — without having to just become big-D Democrats. We all have to be small-d democrats now, or we won’t have a system to be big-D or big-R anythings.
That is what civic-minded Israeli elites did when they created a broad national unity coalition whose main mission was to make the basic functions of government work again and safeguard the integrity of Israel’s democracy.
Such a vehicle in America, said Levitsky, should “be able to shave a small but decisive fraction of Republican votes away from Trump.” In a tight race, it would take only 5 or 10 percent of Republicans leaving Trump to assure victory. And that is what matters.
This is the democratic way of defeating a threat to democracy. Not doing it is how democracies die. I am quite aware that it is highly unlikely; America does not have the flexibility of a parliamentary, proportional-representation system, like Israel’s, and there is no modern precedent for such a cross-party ticket. And yet, I still think it is worth raising. There is no precedent for how close we’re coming to an unraveling of our democracy, either.
As Levitsky put it: “If we treat this as a normal election, our democracy stands a coin flip’s chance of survival. Those are odds that I don’t want to run. We need to communicate to the public and the establishment that this is not a normal donkeys-versus-elephants election. This is democracy versus authoritarians.”
This is not for the long term, noted Levitsky: “I want to get back as quickly as possible to where I can disagree with Liz Cheney on every policy issue” — and that is the most we have to worry about — “but not until our democracy is safe.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/democratic-ticket-liz-cheney-2024.html?searchResultPosition=1
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
With Harris becoming POTUS? I think she is even less popular. I can only see Biden serving out his term alongside an open Democratic primary.
Yep, her polling is quite disastrous. Worse than Joe’s.
R.N.C. Signals a Pullout From Presidential Debates
The Republican National Committee says it will require candidates to pledge to not participate in debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates. What would replace them, if anything, was unclear.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/presidential-debates-rnc.html
sibeen said:
R.N.C. Signals a Pullout From Presidential DebatesThe Republican National Committee says it will require candidates to pledge to not participate in debates run by the Commission on Presidential Debates. What would replace them, if anything, was unclear.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/presidential-debates-rnc.html
Seems a bit pessimistic
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:I’m very much assuming that Biden will resign next year
With Harris becoming POTUS? I think she is even less popular. I can only see Biden serving out his term alongside an open Democratic primary.
Yep, her polling is quite disastrous. Worse than Joe’s.
An early resignation would give her a good run in.
dv said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:With Harris becoming POTUS? I think she is even less popular. I can only see Biden serving out his term alongside an open Democratic primary.
Yep, her polling is quite disastrous. Worse than Joe’s.
An early resignation would give her a good run in.
US Supreme Court blocks Biden’s workplace vaccine mandate
The US Supreme Court has blocked President Joe Biden’s rule requiring workers at large companies to be vaccinated or masked and tested weekly.
The justices at the nation’s highest court said the mandate exceeded the Biden administration’s authority.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59989476
Several Republicans signed fraudulent Election certifications.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jake-hoffman-arizona-electors-trump-b1992499.html
Arizona State Republican Representative Jake Hoffman has been filmed dodging questions about a letter he signed falsely stating that electors in the state voted for Donald Trump following the 2020 election.
dv said:
Several Republicans signed fraudulent Election certifications.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jake-hoffman-arizona-electors-trump-b1992499.html
Arizona State Republican Representative Jake Hoffman has been filmed dodging questions about a letter he signed falsely stating that electors in the state voted for Donald Trump following the 2020 election.
It was probably Prince Andrew.
45 Problems: Giuliani Subpoenaed By Congress In MAGA Riot Probe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9EVJhplb8
sarahs mum said:
45 Problems: Giuliani Subpoenaed By Congress In MAGA Riot Probe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9EVJhplb8
Let’s see Rudy get another good sweat going.
Mike Pence Script Change Seems To Address Fake Trump Elector Scheme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPfcI9WYZzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAY
This is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
Why is it scary? (I don’t want to watch any videos tonight).
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
I’d have her in front of Barnaby Joyce any day.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
Why is it scary? (I don’t want to watch any videos tonight).
She comes across as completely clueless. An example of one of her answers was:
“It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
I’d have her in front of Barnaby Joyce any day.
Well, so would I, but I’d also prefer my next door neighbour to Barnaby Joyce and I don’t think the neighbour is particularly bright; so it’s not exactly a high bar.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
Why is it scary? (I don’t want to watch any videos tonight).
She comes across as completely clueless. An example of one of her answers was:
“It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.
I understand that.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
Why is it scary? (I don’t want to watch any videos tonight).
She comes across as completely clueless. An example of one of her answers was:
“It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.
Ain’t nobody got time for that.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:Why is it scary? (I don’t want to watch any videos tonight).
She comes across as completely clueless. An example of one of her answers was:
“It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.
I understand that.
She’s very coherent compared with the orange shitgibbon.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2xNf4cuK3c&ab_channel=TODAYThis is who is in charge if Joe kicks off. That’s a bit scary.
Why is it scary? (I don’t want to watch any videos tonight).
She comes across as completely clueless. An example of one of her answers was:
“It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.
chuckle
they got plenty masks
the mask things has been strangely slow here, going for N95 or equivalent, making it normal
I gather some thought if people had them there wouldn’t be much covid, that could be inconvenient, the possibility of covid extinction might emerge
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
She comes across as completely clueless. An example of one of her answers was:
“It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.
I understand that.
She’s very coherent compared with the orange shitgibbon.
right but unless the alternative is perfection, why elect anyone even marginally better
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
I understand that.
She’s very coherent compared with the orange shitgibbon.
right but unless the alternative is perfection, why elect anyone even marginally better
Wouldn’t take much to be marginally better than the Orange Shitgibbon.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
I understand that.
She’s very coherent compared with the orange shitgibbon.
right but unless the alternative is perfection, why elect anyone even marginally better
I also find her statement both comprehensible and reasonable.
What SCIENCE said on the other hand….
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Bubblecar said:
She’s very coherent compared with the orange shitgibbon.
right but unless the alternative is perfection, why elect anyone even marginally better
I also find her statement both comprehensible and reasonable.
What SCIENCE said on the other hand….
Joe Biden has been US President for a year but the road ahead looks rocky for his VP, Kamala Harris
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/one-year-since-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-sworn-in/100763514
Looks like the ABC is also giving her a kick.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:right but unless the alternative is perfection, why elect anyone even marginally better
I also find her statement both comprehensible and reasonable.
What SCIENCE said on the other hand….
Joe Biden has been US President for a year but the road ahead looks rocky for his VP, Kamala Harris
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/one-year-since-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-sworn-in/100763514
Looks like the ABC is also giving her a kick.
Looks like they are struggling to find anything significant to kick her with though.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I also find her statement both comprehensible and reasonable.
What SCIENCE said on the other hand….
Joe Biden has been US President for a year but the road ahead looks rocky for his VP, Kamala Harris
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-20/one-year-since-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-sworn-in/100763514
Looks like the ABC is also giving her a kick.
Looks like they are struggling to find anything significant to kick her with though.
Her approval ratings are lower than Scotty’s. She must be doing a bang up job.
https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/
JudgeMental said:
https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/
It does seem close to half of the electorate think she is worse than Stalin, and quite a few of the other half have their doubts, but I can’t say I’ve seen anything to support these extreme negative views.
Not that I exactly follow everything she does, so I may have missed something, but when the worst an article about her misdeeds can come up with is that she spent $750 on a shopping trip in Paris, it does make you wonder if she is really that bad.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/
It does seem close to half of the electorate think she is worse than Stalin, and quite a few of the other half have their doubts, but I can’t say I’ve seen anything to support these extreme negative views.
Not that I exactly follow everything she does, so I may have missed something, but when the worst an article about her misdeeds can come up with is that she spent $750 on a shopping trip in Paris, it does make you wonder if she is really that bad.
You need to factor in racism and sexism. Some quote about doing everything he did but backwards and in high heels comes to mind.
;)
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/
It does seem close to half of the electorate think she is worse than Stalin, and quite a few of the other half have their doubts, but I can’t say I’ve seen anything to support these extreme negative views.
Not that I exactly follow everything she does, so I may have missed something, but when the worst an article about her misdeeds can come up with is that she spent $750 on a shopping trip in Paris, it does make you wonder if she is really that bad.
You need to factor in racism and sexism. Some quote about doing everything he did but backwards and in high heels comes to mind.
;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.latimes.com/projects/kamala-harris-approval-rating-polls-vs-biden-other-vps/
It does seem close to half of the electorate think she is worse than Stalin, and quite a few of the other half have their doubts, but I can’t say I’ve seen anything to support these extreme negative views.
Not that I exactly follow everything she does, so I may have missed something, but when the worst an article about her misdeeds can come up with is that she spent $750 on a shopping trip in Paris, it does make you wonder if she is really that bad.
In American politics, if someone can prove that your uncle’s best friend’s neighbour’s wife’s nephew once kicked a dog, then you’re officially worse than Hitler.
American politics is confusing because you don’t have much chance of winning unless you’re a fairly crappy candidate, or even a very crappy candidate, but you have to be the right kind of crappy.
Bubblecar said:
American politics is confusing because you don’t have much chance of winning unless you’re a fairly crappy candidate, or even a very crappy candidate, but you have to be the right kind of crappy.
Corruptibility is an excusable sin in the eyes of American voters. Ya gotta make a buck, right?
Nothing else is pardonable. Candidates must otherwise be as pure as the driven snow.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
American politics is confusing because you don’t have much chance of winning unless you’re a fairly crappy candidate, or even a very crappy candidate, but you have to be the right kind of crappy.
Corruptibility is an excusable sin in the eyes of American voters. Ya gotta make a buck, right?
Nothing else is pardonable. Candidates must otherwise be as pure as the driven snow.
Unless you’re an orange pussy-grabbing ol’ huckster who likes watching hookers have pee fights.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
American politics is confusing because you don’t have much chance of winning unless you’re a fairly crappy candidate, or even a very crappy candidate, but you have to be the right kind of crappy.
Corruptibility is an excusable sin in the eyes of American voters. Ya gotta make a buck, right?
Nothing else is pardonable. Candidates must otherwise be as pure as the driven snow.
Unless you’re an orange pussy-grabbing ol’ huckster who likes watching hookers have pee fights.
He had a trump card, if you’ll pardon the pun: he’s not non-white.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
American politics is confusing because you don’t have much chance of winning unless you’re a fairly crappy candidate, or even a very crappy candidate, but you have to be the right kind of crappy.
Corruptibility is an excusable sin in the eyes of American voters. Ya gotta make a buck, right?
Nothing else is pardonable. Candidates must otherwise be as pure as the driven snow.
Trump: “Grab them on the pussy”?
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
American politics is confusing because you don’t have much chance of winning unless you’re a fairly crappy candidate, or even a very crappy candidate, but you have to be the right kind of crappy.
Corruptibility is an excusable sin in the eyes of American voters. Ya gotta make a buck, right?
Nothing else is pardonable. Candidates must otherwise be as pure as the driven snow.
Trump: “Grab them on the pussy”?
On the other hand, Kamala is the worst politician evah, apparently:
https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2022/01/14/kamala-harris-the-worst-politician-in-america-n506569
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Corruptibility is an excusable sin in the eyes of American voters. Ya gotta make a buck, right?
Nothing else is pardonable. Candidates must otherwise be as pure as the driven snow.
Trump: “Grab them on the pussy”?
On the other hand, Kamala is the worst politician evah, apparently:
https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2022/01/14/kamala-harris-the-worst-politician-in-america-n506569
seems fair, it’s about being a politician surely, the position isn’t called “Upholding Ethics And Integrity” at least not since we checked
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Michael V said:
Trump: “Grab them on the pussy”?
On the other hand, Kamala is the worst politician evah, apparently:
https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2022/01/14/kamala-harris-the-worst-politician-in-america-n506569seems fair, it’s about being a politician surely, the position isn’t called “Upholding Ethics And Integrity” at least not since we checked
You’d think some of these law and order types would be excited about a president with a law enforcement background.
(CNN)The Supreme Court’s refusal to block the release of Trump White House documents to the House January 6 committee represents a huge defeat for the ex-President’s frantic effort to cover up his 2021 coup attempt.
The major blow on Wednesday — yet another instance of the courts rebuking Donald Trump’s attempts to use them for his own political gain — will allow the committee to go even deeper inside his West Wing and understand what was going on before and during his mob’s attack on the US Capitol. It will also likely be viewed by the former President as a betrayal by the court’s conservative majority, which he cemented with three picks for the top bench whom he saw as a legal insurance policy as he’s continually sought to bend governing institutions to avoid accountability.
The decision means that 700 documents — including schedules, speech and call logs, and three pages of handwritten notes from then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows — can be transferred from the National Archives to the House committee, a process that was already underway Wednesday evening.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/20/politics/donald-trump-supreme-court-january-6-committee/index.html
dv said:
(CNN)The Supreme Court’s refusal to block the release of Trump White House documents to the House January 6 committee represents a huge defeat for the ex-President’s frantic effort to cover up his 2021 coup attempt.The major blow on Wednesday — yet another instance of the courts rebuking Donald Trump’s attempts to use them for his own political gain — will allow the committee to go even deeper inside his West Wing and understand what was going on before and during his mob’s attack on the US Capitol. It will also likely be viewed by the former President as a betrayal by the court’s conservative majority, which he cemented with three picks for the top bench whom he saw as a legal insurance policy as he’s continually sought to bend governing institutions to avoid accountability.
The decision means that 700 documents — including schedules, speech and call logs, and three pages of handwritten notes from then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows — can be transferred from the National Archives to the House committee, a process that was already underway Wednesday evening.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/20/politics/donald-trump-supreme-court-january-6-committee/index.html
Looks like they are hoping that Ivanka will snitch on her dad?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-21/us-panel-probing-jan-6-attack-seeks-interview-with-ivanka-trump/100772106
#MSNBC #IvankaTrump #January6
‘This Is Insane’: Jan. 6 Committee Letter To Ivanka Shows Trump White House Chaos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTcFkz2tK9w
White people can’t get the vaccine.
Black people do not want the vaccine.
White people do not want the vaccine.
Donald Trump manages to weave together racism and pro-vaccine rhetoric. The crowd was confused. John Iadarola and Nina Turner break it down on The Damage Report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQuwlxbRZGo
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee-pamela-moses-convicted
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee-pamela-moses-convicted
Yep
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/california-county-controlled-by-militia-group
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/california-county-controlled-by-militia-group
I spent a while in Shasta county in 2004. Staying with Brett’s cousin Jim.
I keep on thinking about a militia group running the place and all the new ager’s that swarm to Mt Shasta for women’s drum circles and reiki shit and what an indigenous native might think of it all.
The world is strange.
Liberal Redneck – Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyyHWbMlLMo
Trump Organization accountants say financial statements should ‘no longer be relied upon’
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-15/donald-trump-accountants-say-documents-can-not-be-used/100830682
Trump’s Long-Time Accounting Firm Dumps Him On Valentine’s Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgaql1qSpc
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Long-Time Accounting Firm Dumps Him On Valentine’s Dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgaql1qSpc
Good, but they should have done that ages ago.
A record number of U.S. adults identify as LGBTQ. Gen Z is driving the increase.
A Gallup poll found that 7.1 percent of U.S. adults self-identify as LGBTQ
(iStock/Washington Post illustration)
By Julianne Mcshane
Yesterday at 8:07 p.m. EST
A record 7.1 percent of U.S. adults self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or something other than heterosexual, and members of Generation Z are driving the growth, according to results from a Gallup survey published Thursday.
The most recent results mark double the percentage of adults who self-identified as LGBTQ in 2012, when Gallup first measured it, and an increase from 2021, when the same survey found that 5.6 percent of Americans identified as LGBTQ.
This year’s record high includes 21 percent of self-identifying LGBTQ Gen Zers who have reached adulthood — which Gallup defines as those born between 1997 and 2003 — making them the generational group with the largest proportion of LGBTQ people. Among millennials, 10.5 percent self-identify as LGBTQ, while 4.2 percent of Generation X, 2.6 percent of baby boomers and 0.8 percent of traditionalists do, according to the Gallup data. Meanwhile, 86.3 percent of respondents self-identified as straight or heterosexual.
The poll was conducted by telephone last year, and incorporated a random sample of more than 12,000 adults across the country, Gallup said.
The high rate of LGBTQ self-identification among Gen Zers reflects a combination of increasing cultural acceptance for LGBTQ people and the fact that Gen Zers are increasing in the national population of adults while members of older generations are dying, according to Gallup senior editor Jeffrey Jones.
“They’ve really grown up in a culture where being LGBT was normal and not something that people had to be embarrassed about or try and hide,” Jones said of members of Gen Z. “Certainly there’s still some discrimination, but it’s nothing like it’s been when the older generations were growing up … it’s both things happening — the behaviors and the attitudes are changing, and it’s also the population changing.”
On social media, advocates cheered the growing number of Americans identifying as LGBTQ.
“Thanks to increases in visibility, representation, and equality, more and more LGBTQ Americans are able to come out and live as our authentic selves,” Sarah Kate Ellis, president and chief executive of GLAAD, wrote on Twitter.
Human Rights Campaign interim president Joni Madison said in a statement: “With more LGBTQ+ people than ever before living openly and embracing their identity, the fight for LGBTQ+ equality in America must continue to represent this ever-growing and beautiful community.”
LGBTQ members of Gen Z are most likely to identify as bisexual, at 15 percent, compared to 6 percent of millennials, the poll found. More than half of LGBTQ Americans overall — 57 percent — identify as bisexual, according to the results. (Respondents could select multiple responses.)
Gen Zers are also more likely to identify as lesbian, gay, transgender or “other” than members of other generations, according to the results. Gallup began measuring each category within “LGBT” individually in 2020, and this year marked the first year that they offered respondents the option to type in a response in the “other” category, Jones said, adding that Gallup plans to release more data next year based on those self-identifications.
Some of the disparities between generations, Jones said, may partially be due to older people being less inclined to self-identify due to growing up in a time of less acceptance for LGBTQ people. (The Gallup data shows that LGBTQ identification tends to remain stable among older generations, hovering around 4 percent for Generation X, 3 percent for baby boomers and 1 percent for traditionalists since Gallup’s first survey on LGBTQ self-identification in 2012.)
Gen Zers also increasingly make up a larger share of American adults as more of them turn 18 (the Pew Research Center defines Gen Zers as being born between 1997 to 2012). And younger Gen Zers are more likely than older members of their generation to identify as LGBTQ, given that the percentage of them who have identified as LGBTQ has nearly doubled since 2017, when it was 10.5 percent.
The distinctions between Gen Zers and millennials reflects the progress LGBTQ people have made over the past few decades, according to Sharita Gruberg, vice president of the LGBTQI+ Research and Communications Project at the Center for American Progress, an independent nonpartisan policy institute.
When older millennials were in high school, in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled in the landmark Lawrence v. Texas case that the criminalization of sodomy was unconstitutional, Gruberg pointed out, adding that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of marriage equality more than a decade later — in 2015 — when older Gen Zers were in high school.
Of the legal progress LGBTQ people saw during the time period, Gruberg added: “I can’t stress enough what a difference that makes in your comfort with your identity, in public opinion … and around stigma.”
But LGBTQ people — and Gen Zers in particular — still face myriad challenges: Gruberg’s team published research last fall showing that more than half of LGBTQ Gen Zers report experiencing discrimination, and face higher rates of mental health issues and housing instability than older generations of LGBTQ people. And 10 states so far this year have enacted bans barring transgender students from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity, according to the Movement Advancement Project, an independent nonprofit think tank.
Data on LGBTQ people can be hard to come by: Last year marked the first time the U.S. Census Bureau started asking Americans about their gender identity and sexual orientation on their Household Pulse Survey, used to measure the pandemic’s impacts on households.
“We have very little information through quality government data, so in the absence of that, the Gallup poll has really served as how we estimate how many LGBTQ people are in the country,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/02/17/adults-identifying-lgbt-gen-z/?
Mr Trump recently denied reports about his administration’s tenuous relationship with the National Archives and his lawyers said “they are continuing to search for additional presidential records that belong to the National Archives”.
Electronic messages and social media records not captured.
The Presidential Records Act requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties.
Claiming executive privilege, Mr Trump unsuccessfully attempted to sue to stop the release of records from his White House, including to the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol.
“Donald Trump took classified material from White House to Florida, US National Archives says”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-19/donald-trump-took-classified-material-from-white-house-florida/100845154
buffy said:
“Donald Trump took classified material from White House to Florida, US National Archives says”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-19/donald-trump-took-classified-material-from-white-house-florida/100845154
He is just an arsehole who thinks the rules don’t apply to him.
He is a adult child who has never grown up because he never needed to.
…just like Boris Johnson in the UK.
Investigators believe a man told his four-year-old child to fire a gun at officers following a dispute over his order at a McDonald’s drive-thru in suburban Salt Lake City on Monday, police said.
An officer was able to swipe at the gun as it was fired, directing the bullet away.
The unidentified man brandished a gun at the pick-up window at the restaurant in Midvale, Utah, demanding his order be corrected, said a spokeswoman for the Unified police department, Sgt Melody Cutler.
After workers asked that he pull to a waiting area while they corrected his order, they called police, she said.
The man did not cooperate and had to be pulled from the car, Cutler said. But as officers were taking the man into custody, one looked back and saw a gun pointing from a rear window, she said.
The officer who swiped the gun to the side as it was fired also yelled “kid” to other officers after seeing how young the shooter was, Cutler said.
A witness observed the man tell the four-year-old, who was in the backseat with a three-year-old sibling, to shoot the gun, Cutler said. She declined to elaborate.
The Salt Lake county sheriff, Rosie Rivera, said it was a sad day for law enforcement and the community.
“To have an adult think it is OK to encourage a four-year-old to pull a firearm and shoot at police illustrates how out of hand the campaign against police has gotten,” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/utah-man-mcdonalds-drive-thru-child-shoot-officers
sarahs mum said:
“To have an adult think it is OK to encourage a four-year-old to pull a firearm and shoot at police illustrates how out of hand the campaign against police has gotten,” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/utah-man-mcdonalds-drive-thru-child-shoot-officers
Indeed, adults thinking it is OK to encourage a four-year-old to pull a firearm and shoot, clearly a campaign against police, that’s the problem, right there.
Kyle Rittenhouse launches initiative to fight media ‘lies’ – and Whoopi Goldberg
Teen who shot dead two men and injured another during anti-racism protests in Wisconsin has become a rightwing celebrity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/kyle-rittenhouse-initiative-targets-media-whoopi-goldberg
sarahs mum said:
Kyle Rittenhouse launches initiative to fight media ‘lies’ – and Whoopi GoldbergTeen who shot dead two men and injured another during anti-racism protests in Wisconsin has become a rightwing celebrity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/kyle-rittenhouse-initiative-targets-media-whoopi-goldberg
I listened to a podcast on his court case… it was super interesting and actually provided the environmental context… he’s still a shitbag though
WASHINGTON, Feb 22 (Reuters) – The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday brought a formal end to former President Donald Trump’s request to block the release of White House records sought by the Democratic-led congressional panel investigating last year’s deadly attack on the Capitol by a mob of his supporters.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-formally-ends-trumps-fight-over-capitol-attack-records-2022-02-22/
sarahs mum said:
Kyle Rittenhouse launches initiative to fight media ‘lies’ – and Whoopi GoldbergTeen who shot dead two men and injured another during anti-racism protests in Wisconsin has become a rightwing celebrity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/kyle-rittenhouse-initiative-targets-media-whoopi-goldberg
Right wing murderer.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Kyle Rittenhouse launches initiative to fight media ‘lies’ – and Whoopi GoldbergTeen who shot dead two men and injured another during anti-racism protests in Wisconsin has become a rightwing celebrity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/kyle-rittenhouse-initiative-targets-media-whoopi-goldberg
Right wing murderer.
Anyone white right wing idiot who carries weapons to a black lives matter protest is inciting violence.
I hope Whoopi Goldberg continues her attacks on him. Good on her.
SCIENCE said:
that’s awful but as propaganda works very well
there’s nothing like an idiot giving you a compliment, potentially devastating, reputationally destructive
well here we go here’s something else for the Russia Party to block
President Joe Biden has selected the first black woman to serve on the United States Supreme Court in its 232-year history. The President formally nominated Ketanji Brown Jackson to join the nation’s highest court on Saturday (AEDT), paving the way for a potential confirmation fight in Washington’s evenly split Senate.
Tulsi Gabbard:
Our freedom comes from God—not from any other person or govt. To recognize others as children of God is to appreciate that we belong to God—& no one else. No one has the right to take away the intrinsic freedom which God has given us.
Jaysus, I was supporting this woman in the 2016 primary for the Dems. She may be the US version of Latham.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-27/war-on-ukraine-where-did-americas-great-power-go/100859774
The last 30 years have been a persistent erosion of American power and prestige. The US is a nation in search of its soul and moral purpose.
It has been led by a succession of timid, or reckless or vapid or exploitative, and opportunist presidents.
International politics expert Jonathan Holslag calls them “polite cowards”. Those leaders who talk up democracy while ignoring the people in their own countries whom democracy is failing.
Each leader has presided over the drift from the American Dream. Inequality has grown like a cancer.
so what is he suggesting the presidents could have done, is the power of a USSA president such that they can enforce deep and necessary cultural change across their federation
The U.S. Department of Justice revealed today that they arrested former Fox News producer Jack Hanick on charges of helping a Russian oligarch, who had been previously sanctioned by the U.S. even before the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, by assisting him with launching Tsargrad TV — a right-wing, pro-Putin TV channel. The channel, owned by said oligarch and pro-monarchist Konstantin Malofeev, has already been blocked on YouTube in response to the invasion.
Hanick was reportedly arrested on February 3rd in London on charges that his assistance allowed Malofeev to subvert those sanctions, which were put in place in late 2014 due to his financing of Russia-backed separatists who rose in power during the Revolution of Dignity. The unsealed grand jury indictment accuses him of various business dealings with the Russian billionaire over the years as well as lying to FBI agents about his travels related to launching the Russian TV network.
Hanick has been credited as being one of Fox News’ founding producers, starting there in 1996 when it first launched, and spent his early years at the network as a director for Sean Hannity, one of their most notorious political commentators. He left Fox News in 2011 and was spotted making deals with Malofeyev three years later.
Federal prosecutor Malofeyev said in a statement that in spite of the fact that the 2014 sanctions “prohibit United States citizens from working for or doing business with Malofeyev but as alleged, Hanick violated those sanctions by working directly for Malofeyev on multiple television projects over the course of several years.”
After Tsargrad TV started broadcasting in 2015, it wasn’t long before it was being compared directly to how Fox News operates in the U.S.
In an embarrassing turn of events for Hanick, federal agents said that they were able to indict him based on an unpublished memoir that he had kept in his email account, which was accessed by agents after they obtained a search warrant that allowed them access to the account.
It would seem that Fox News’ ties to Russia and their general pro-Russia, pro-Putin sentiment may predate even the presidential campaign of their hero, Donald Trump, who had nothing but praise for the dictator and his oligarch buddies during that whole unfortunate period in U.S. history. Even as the world has turned against both Russia and Putin due to the highly unpopular and seemingly bungled attack on Ukraine, the network has continued to praise both and suggest that the U.S. should be on their side.
Trump, of course, praised Putin’s assault, which has killed hundreds of civilians as the Russian military targets residential areas, as “genius.”
The Justice Department is now seeking to extradite Hanick from the U.K., where he currently resides. People not on the side of Russian oligarchs are enjoying finally seeing some consequences coming the way of Fox News executives, even former ones, after years of evidence of this kind of collaboration.
https://god.dailydot.com/hannity-producer-indicted/
sarahs mum said:
The U.S. Department of Justice revealed today that they arrested former Fox News producer Jack Hanick on charges of helping a Russian oligarch, who had been previously sanctioned by the U.S. even before the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, by assisting him with launching Tsargrad TV — a right-wing, pro-Putin TV channel. The channel, owned by said oligarch and pro-monarchist Konstantin Malofeev, has already been blocked on YouTube in response to the invasion.Hanick was reportedly arrested on February 3rd in London on charges that his assistance allowed Malofeev to subvert those sanctions, which were put in place in late 2014 due to his financing of Russia-backed separatists who rose in power during the Revolution of Dignity. The unsealed grand jury indictment accuses him of various business dealings with the Russian billionaire over the years as well as lying to FBI agents about his travels related to launching the Russian TV network.
Hanick has been credited as being one of Fox News’ founding producers, starting there in 1996 when it first launched, and spent his early years at the network as a director for Sean Hannity, one of their most notorious political commentators. He left Fox News in 2011 and was spotted making deals with Malofeyev three years later.
Federal prosecutor Malofeyev said in a statement that in spite of the fact that the 2014 sanctions “prohibit United States citizens from working for or doing business with Malofeyev but as alleged, Hanick violated those sanctions by working directly for Malofeyev on multiple television projects over the course of several years.”
After Tsargrad TV started broadcasting in 2015, it wasn’t long before it was being compared directly to how Fox News operates in the U.S.
In an embarrassing turn of events for Hanick, federal agents said that they were able to indict him based on an unpublished memoir that he had kept in his email account, which was accessed by agents after they obtained a search warrant that allowed them access to the account.
It would seem that Fox News’ ties to Russia and their general pro-Russia, pro-Putin sentiment may predate even the presidential campaign of their hero, Donald Trump, who had nothing but praise for the dictator and his oligarch buddies during that whole unfortunate period in U.S. history. Even as the world has turned against both Russia and Putin due to the highly unpopular and seemingly bungled attack on Ukraine, the network has continued to praise both and suggest that the U.S. should be on their side.
Trump, of course, praised Putin’s assault, which has killed hundreds of civilians as the Russian military targets residential areas, as “genius.”
The Justice Department is now seeking to extradite Hanick from the U.K., where he currently resides. People not on the side of Russian oligarchs are enjoying finally seeing some consequences coming the way of Fox News executives, even former ones, after years of evidence of this kind of collaboration.
https://god.dailydot.com/hannity-producer-indicted/
Yeah
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The U.S. Department of Justice revealed today that they arrested former Fox News producer Jack Hanick on charges of helping a Russian oligarch, who had been previously sanctioned by the U.S. even before the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, by assisting him with launching Tsargrad TV — a right-wing, pro-Putin TV channel. The channel, owned by said oligarch and pro-monarchist Konstantin Malofeev, has already been blocked on YouTube in response to the invasion.Hanick was reportedly arrested on February 3rd in London on charges that his assistance allowed Malofeev to subvert those sanctions, which were put in place in late 2014 due to his financing of Russia-backed separatists who rose in power during the Revolution of Dignity. The unsealed grand jury indictment accuses him of various business dealings with the Russian billionaire over the years as well as lying to FBI agents about his travels related to launching the Russian TV network.
Hanick has been credited as being one of Fox News’ founding producers, starting there in 1996 when it first launched, and spent his early years at the network as a director for Sean Hannity, one of their most notorious political commentators. He left Fox News in 2011 and was spotted making deals with Malofeyev three years later.
Federal prosecutor Malofeyev said in a statement that in spite of the fact that the 2014 sanctions “prohibit United States citizens from working for or doing business with Malofeyev but as alleged, Hanick violated those sanctions by working directly for Malofeyev on multiple television projects over the course of several years.”
After Tsargrad TV started broadcasting in 2015, it wasn’t long before it was being compared directly to how Fox News operates in the U.S.
In an embarrassing turn of events for Hanick, federal agents said that they were able to indict him based on an unpublished memoir that he had kept in his email account, which was accessed by agents after they obtained a search warrant that allowed them access to the account.
It would seem that Fox News’ ties to Russia and their general pro-Russia, pro-Putin sentiment may predate even the presidential campaign of their hero, Donald Trump, who had nothing but praise for the dictator and his oligarch buddies during that whole unfortunate period in U.S. history. Even as the world has turned against both Russia and Putin due to the highly unpopular and seemingly bungled attack on Ukraine, the network has continued to praise both and suggest that the U.S. should be on their side.
Trump, of course, praised Putin’s assault, which has killed hundreds of civilians as the Russian military targets residential areas, as “genius.”
The Justice Department is now seeking to extradite Hanick from the U.K., where he currently resides. People not on the side of Russian oligarchs are enjoying finally seeing some consequences coming the way of Fox News executives, even former ones, after years of evidence of this kind of collaboration.
https://god.dailydot.com/hannity-producer-indicted/
Yeah
Imagine what the content would be like, not good (not from a propaganda viewpoint but generally bad)
Shirtless muscle man Putin riding a horse around the nation rescuing attractive Babooshka’s from the tyranny of capitalism
Cymek said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The U.S. Department of Justice revealed today that they arrested former Fox News producer Jack Hanick on charges of helping a Russian oligarch, who had been previously sanctioned by the U.S. even before the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, by assisting him with launching Tsargrad TV — a right-wing, pro-Putin TV channel. The channel, owned by said oligarch and pro-monarchist Konstantin Malofeev, has already been blocked on YouTube in response to the invasion.Hanick was reportedly arrested on February 3rd in London on charges that his assistance allowed Malofeev to subvert those sanctions, which were put in place in late 2014 due to his financing of Russia-backed separatists who rose in power during the Revolution of Dignity. The unsealed grand jury indictment accuses him of various business dealings with the Russian billionaire over the years as well as lying to FBI agents about his travels related to launching the Russian TV network.
Hanick has been credited as being one of Fox News’ founding producers, starting there in 1996 when it first launched, and spent his early years at the network as a director for Sean Hannity, one of their most notorious political commentators. He left Fox News in 2011 and was spotted making deals with Malofeyev three years later.
Federal prosecutor Malofeyev said in a statement that in spite of the fact that the 2014 sanctions “prohibit United States citizens from working for or doing business with Malofeyev but as alleged, Hanick violated those sanctions by working directly for Malofeyev on multiple television projects over the course of several years.”
After Tsargrad TV started broadcasting in 2015, it wasn’t long before it was being compared directly to how Fox News operates in the U.S.
In an embarrassing turn of events for Hanick, federal agents said that they were able to indict him based on an unpublished memoir that he had kept in his email account, which was accessed by agents after they obtained a search warrant that allowed them access to the account.
It would seem that Fox News’ ties to Russia and their general pro-Russia, pro-Putin sentiment may predate even the presidential campaign of their hero, Donald Trump, who had nothing but praise for the dictator and his oligarch buddies during that whole unfortunate period in U.S. history. Even as the world has turned against both Russia and Putin due to the highly unpopular and seemingly bungled attack on Ukraine, the network has continued to praise both and suggest that the U.S. should be on their side.
Trump, of course, praised Putin’s assault, which has killed hundreds of civilians as the Russian military targets residential areas, as “genius.”
The Justice Department is now seeking to extradite Hanick from the U.K., where he currently resides. People not on the side of Russian oligarchs are enjoying finally seeing some consequences coming the way of Fox News executives, even former ones, after years of evidence of this kind of collaboration.
https://god.dailydot.com/hannity-producer-indicted/
Yeah
Imagine what the content would be like, not good (not from a propaganda viewpoint but generally bad)
Shirtless muscle man Putin riding a horse around the nation rescuing attractive Babooshka’s from the tyranny of capitalism
You know Babooshkas are grandmothers, don’t you.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Yeah
Imagine what the content would be like, not good (not from a propaganda viewpoint but generally bad)
Shirtless muscle man Putin riding a horse around the nation rescuing attractive Babooshka’s from the tyranny of capitalism
You know Babooshkas are grandmothers, don’t you.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Yeah
Imagine what the content would be like, not good (not from a propaganda viewpoint but generally bad)
Shirtless muscle man Putin riding a horse around the nation rescuing attractive Babooshka’s from the tyranny of capitalism
You know Babooshkas are grandmothers, don’t you.
maybe they marry young in those parts, 13 + 13 = 26 and say no more
buffy said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Yeah
Imagine what the content would be like, not good (not from a propaganda viewpoint but generally bad)
Shirtless muscle man Putin riding a horse around the nation rescuing attractive Babooshka’s from the tyranny of capitalism
You know Babooshkas are grandmothers, don’t you.
Yes, it was to make it even more absurd
buffy said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Yeah
Imagine what the content would be like, not good (not from a propaganda viewpoint but generally bad)
Shirtless muscle man Putin riding a horse around the nation rescuing attractive Babooshka’s from the tyranny of capitalism
You know Babooshkas are grandmothers, don’t you.
I ain’t here to kinkshame
WASHINGTON — When an oil-field worker named Guy Wesley Reffitt returned to Texas after taking part in the attack on the Capitol last year, his welcome home was not entirely warm.
He bragged to his family about confronting the police outside the building and promised that the violence there was only “the beginning,” according to federal prosecutors. His 18-year-old son pushed back, accusing him of having broken the law.
A few days later, Mr. Reffitt realized his son might be right and that the F.B.I. might in fact be on to him. In a burst of anger, he threatened his son and daughter, telling them that they would face his wrath if they sold him out to the authorities.
On Thursday, the son, Jackson Reffitt, faced his father from the witness stand in Federal District Court in Washington, testifying against him in a remarkable tableau that captured the painful rupture in one family — and in some ways the nation — caused by the events of Jan. 6, 2021.
“He said, ‘If you turn me in, you’re a traitor,’” Jackson Reffitt told the jury as his father watched him intently from across the courtroom and then looked down. “‘And traitors get shot.’”
The older Mr. Reffitt, 41, is the first defendant out of more than 700 to go on trial in connection with the Capitol attack, and in the past two days the prosecution has documented how he drove to Washington with a fellow member of a Texas militia and, armed with a pistol, led a pro-Trump mob in an advance on the police outside the building.
But with the appearance of his son on the witness stand, the trial took an unusually personal — and emotional — turn.
Testifying for more than three hours, Jackson Reffitt, now 19, told the jury how his father had become more distant and severe in his beliefs in 2016, the same year Donald J. Trump was elected president. Father and son, he said, did not see eye-to-eye on politics.
“I was moderately left and my father was moderately right,” the younger Mr. Reffitt said, adding that during that election year, “we both went further in our own direction.”
Jackson Reffitt also said his father was a member of the Texas Three Percenters, a state militia group closely linked to the gun rights movement. Guy Reffitt flew a flag outside the family’s home in Wylie, Texas, emblazoned with a Three Percenters’ logo. His son told the jury that he often went about his business with a .40-caliber pistol on his hip.
Things became more tense between the father and son in December 2020, Jackson Reffitt said, as Mr. Trump was undertaking multiple, overlapping schemes to reverse his election defeat. Much of the conflict played out on a family group chat, several messages of which were shown to the jury Thursday.
“Congress has made fatal mistakes this time,” Guy Reffitt wrote on Dec. 21 that year. “This isn’t about Trump, it’s much much bigger. It’s about OUR country.”
The son wrote back: “I don’t think Congress makes up all 80,000,000 votes for biden but okkk.”
The father then responded: “It’s not about Trump. Or Biden. What comes next is about tyranny. Hold my beer and I’ll show you.”
Reading these and similar messages — some about his father traveling to Washington for Jan. 6 — was “scary and surreal,” Jackson Reffitt said.
He told the jury that he was worried about what his father might do. So one day that month, he Googled “F.B.I.” and “tip” and followed the link to an online bureau tip line, describing what had passed between him and his father.
He testified that he was ashamed for having reached out to the F.B.I. “I just felt gross,” he explained.
But the F.B.I. did not respond for weeks, and on Jan. 6, 2021, Jackson woke up at his girlfriend’s house to find a text on the family group chat, indicating that his father was in Washington. He told the jury that he hurried home and found his mother and sisters watching the chaos at the Capitol unfolding on TV.
“I kind of just stood there in awe and disappointment, saddened and scared,” he said.
Two days later, as Guy Reffitt headed back from Washington, he sent his family a text that seemed to celebrate the violence he took part in.
“Shot multiple times with clay balls and Pepper Sprayed heavily,” he wrote. “We took the United States Capital. We are the Republic of the People.”
“Yeah,” his son responded, “you know they are tracking down everyone who was there right?”
“Yep, don’t care,” his father answered. “I broke no laws.”
The father and son had a similar conversation when Guy Reffitt finally got back to the family’s home in Wylie. A few days later, his father made the threat about “traitors,” Jackson Reffitt said. Jackson met with the F.B.I. that day. His father was arrested within a week.
Testimony at the trial earlier in the day was not quite as dramatic and was largely given over to the evidence that investigators had extracted from Mr. Reffitt’s electronics devices, including a 30-minute video he made of himself in the crowd outside the Capitol with a camera mounted on his helmet.
In the video, a foul-mouthed Mr. Reffitt can be heard repeatedly urging people in the mob to storm into the building and drag the lawmakers, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, out by their hair or ankles.
“I didn’t come here to play — I’m taking the Capitol,” he said at one point. “I just want to see Pelosi’s head hitting every stair on the way out.”
Prosecutors also showed the jury a recording of a Zoom call that Mr. Reffitt took part in with other members of the Texas Three Percenters after he returned from Washington. The call contained an echo of the testimony given Wednesday by a former Capitol Police officer, Shauni Kerkhoff. Ms. Kerkhoff told the jury that she had started to panic after firing dozens of pepper balls at Mr. Reffitt, none of which managed to stop his advance up a staircase at the building.
On the Zoom call, Mr. Reffitt recounted the same events, telling his fellow militiamen that he had been hit at least 20 times by Ms. Kerkhoff’s projectiles, but that his body armor had absorbed most of the blows.
“I said, ‘Baby, you’re going to need a bigger gun than that,’” he said on the call, adding, “They’re lucky we didn’t shoot them.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/politics/guy-reffitt-january-6-trial.html
In a speech to Republican donors in New Orleans, Donald Trump said the US should put the Chinese flag on F-22 jets and “bomb the shit out of Russia” in retribution for its invasion of Ukraine.
The Washington Post reported the remarks, which were made on Saturday night.
To laughter, the paper said, the former president said: “And then we say, ‘China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it,’ and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese
sarahs mum said:
In a speech to Republican donors in New Orleans, Donald Trump said the US should put the Chinese flag on F-22 jets and “bomb the shit out of Russia” in retribution for its invasion of Ukraine.
The Washington Post reported the remarks, which were made on Saturday night.
To laughter, the paper said, the former president said: “And then we say, ‘China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it,’ and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese
seems like a good idea
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
In a speech to Republican donors in New Orleans, Donald Trump said the US should put the Chinese flag on F-22 jets and “bomb the shit out of Russia” in retribution for its invasion of Ukraine.
The Washington Post reported the remarks, which were made on Saturday night.
To laughter, the paper said, the former president said: “And then we say, ‘China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it,’ and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese
seems like a good idea
Except that China already knows about it now.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:sarahs mum said:
In a speech to Republican donors in New Orleans, Donald Trump said the US should put the Chinese flag on F-22 jets and “bomb the shit out of Russia” in retribution for its invasion of Ukraine.
The Washington Post reported the remarks, which were made on Saturday night.
To laughter, the paper said, the former president said: “And then we say, ‘China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it,’ and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese
seems like a good idea
Except that China already knows about it now.
but that’s the beauty of bullshit, it’s not about true or false, it’s about being hard to tell if it is true or false
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:seems like a good idea
Except that China already knows about it now.
but that’s the beauty of bullshit, it’s not about true or false, it’s about being hard to tell if it is true or false
Plus China doesn’t have F-22s and I dare say the Russians know what they look like.
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Except that China already knows about it now.
but that’s the beauty of bullshit, it’s not about true or false, it’s about being hard to tell if it is true or false
Plus China doesn’t have F-22s and I dare say the Russians know what they look like.
they couldn’t possibly, them’s stealth fighters you know, all they’ll see is the CHINA flag
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Except that China already knows about it now.
but that’s the beauty of bullshit, it’s not about true or false, it’s about being hard to tell if it is true or false
Plus China doesn’t have F-22s and I dare say the Russians know what they look like.
Which Delerium Tremens’ Donald Trump probably doesn’t.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:but that’s the beauty of bullshit, it’s not about true or false, it’s about being hard to tell if it is true or false
Plus China doesn’t have F-22s and I dare say the Russians know what they look like.
Which
Delerium Tremens’Donald Trump probably doesn’t.
So are the still people who think this guy should be the Republican presidential candidate in a couple of years?
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Except that China already knows about it now.
but that’s the beauty of bullshit, it’s not about true or false, it’s about being hard to tell if it is true or false
Plus China doesn’t have F-22s and I dare say the Russians know what they look like.
Trump-: Tough crowd tonight.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus China doesn’t have F-22s and I dare say the Russians know what they look like.
Which
Delerium Tremens’Donald Trump probably doesn’t.
So are the still people who think this guy should be the Republican presidential candidate in a couple of years?
He is far and away the leading candidate according to polls and betting odds so I am going to say “yes”.
GURL, YOU’RE A KAREN – A Randy Rainbow Parody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GxbdEmpPI
sarahs mum said:
GURL, YOU’RE A KAREN – A Randy Rainbow Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GxbdEmpPI
I once knew someone called Karen, she punched in in the face for no reason too.
So I stay away from Karens now, dont go near them.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
GURL, YOU’RE A KAREN – A Randy Rainbow Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GxbdEmpPI
I once knew someone called Karen, she punched in in the face for no reason too.
So I stay away from Karens now, dont go near them.
I’ve known a bunch of them and they were all better than the Karen wrap.
sarahs mum said:
GURL, YOU’RE A KAREN – A Randy Rainbow Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GxbdEmpPI
Literally just watched that
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
GURL, YOU’RE A KAREN – A Randy Rainbow Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GxbdEmpPI
Literally just watched that
youtube knows we both like randy.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
GURL, YOU’RE A KAREN – A Randy Rainbow Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GxbdEmpPI
Literally just watched that
youtube knows we both like randy.
(shakes fist at soulless algorithm)
Mark Meadows, who has echoed the former US president’s claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election, is being investigated over claims he registered to vote in at an address he did not reside at or own.
SCIENCE said:
anyway to lighten the mood here is something from WINTATE that The Rev Dodgson may enjoy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del#Princeton,_Einstein,_U.S._citizenship
Albert Einstein was also living at Princeton during this time. Gödel and Einstein developed a strong friendship, and were known to take long walks together to and from the Institute for Advanced Study. The nature of their conversations was a mystery to the other Institute members. Economist Oskar Morgenstern recounts that toward the end of his life Einstein confided that his “own work no longer meant much, that he came to the Institute merely … to have the privilege of walking home with Gödel”.
Gödel and his wife, Adele, spent the summer of 1942 in Blue Hill, Maine, at the Blue Hill Inn at the top of the bay. Gödel was not merely vacationing but had a very productive summer of work. Using Heft 15 of Gödel’s still-unpublished Arbeitshefte , John W. Dawson Jr. conjectures that Gödel discovered a proof for the independence of the axiom of choice from finite type theory, a weakened form of set theory, while in Blue Hill in 1942. Gödel’s close friend Hao Wang supports this conjecture, noting that Gödel’s Blue Hill notebooks contain his most extensive treatment of the problem.
On December 5, 1947, Einstein and Morgenstern accompanied Gödel to his U.S. citizenship exam, where they acted as witnesses. Gödel had confided in them that he had discovered an inconsistency in the U.S. Constitution that could allow the U.S. to become a dictatorship; this has since been dubbed Gödel’s Loophole. Einstein and Morgenstern were concerned that their friend’s unpredictable behavior might jeopardize his application. The judge turned out to be Phillip Forman, who knew Einstein and had administered the oath at Einstein’s own citizenship hearing. Everything went smoothly until Forman happened to ask Gödel if he thought a dictatorship like the Nazi regime could happen in the U.S. Gödel then started to explain his discovery to Forman. Forman understood what was going on, cut Gödel off, and moved the hearing on to other questions and a routine conclusion.
however, it does then go on into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof so make of that what you will
from CHAT Mar 2022, though thinking about it more, perhaps it belongs right here
we’re reconsidering the idea that it might lighten the mood also
A US judge has ruled former US president Donald Trump “more likely than not” committed a felony by trying to pressure his vice-president to obstruct Congress and overturn his election defeat on January 6, 2021.
ah well glad there is balance and nuance in this world
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
Ooh…It’s getting interestinger…
sorry should have kept a closer eye on buffy
A US judge has ruled former US president Donald Trump “more likely than not” committed a felony by trying to pressure his vice-president to obstruct Congress and overturn his election defeat on January 6, 2021.
ah well glad there is balance and nuance in this world
SCIENCE said:
A US judge has ruled former US president Donald Trump “more likely than not” committed a felony by trying to pressure his vice-president to obstruct Congress and overturn his election defeat on January 6, 2021.ah well glad there is balance and nuance in this world
Woohoo got him this time.
Jan. 6 White House logs given to House show 7-hour gap in Trump calls
The House select committee is now investigating whether it has the full record and whether Trump communicated that day through back channels, phones of aides or personal disposable phones, according to people familiar with the probe
By Bob Woodward and Robert Costa
Yesterday at 7:00 a.m. EDT|Updated today at 3:42 p.m. EDT
Internal White House records from the day of the attack on the U.S. Capitol that were turned over to the House select committee show a gap in President Donald Trump’s phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when the building was being violently assaulted, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.
The lack of an official White House notation of any calls placed to or by Trump for 457 minutes on Jan. 6, 2021 — from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. — means the committee has no record of his phone conversations as his supporters descended on the Capitol, battled overwhelmed police and forcibly entered the building, prompting lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence to flee for safety.
The 11 pages of records, which consist of the president’s official daily diary and the White House switchboard call logs, were turned over by the National Archives earlier this year to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack.
The records show that Trump was active on the phone for part of the day, documenting conversations that he had with at least eight people in the morning and 11 people that evening. The seven-hour gap also stands in stark contrast to the extensive public reporting about phone conversations he had with allies during the attack, such as a call Trump made to Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) — seeking to talk to Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) — and a phone conversation he had with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.).
The House panel is now investigating whether Trump communicated that day through back channels, phones of aides or personal disposable phones, known as “burner phones,” according to two people with knowledge of the probe, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information. The committee is also scrutinizing whether it received the full logs from that day.
One lawmaker on the panel said the committee is investigating a “possible coverup” of the official White House record from that day. Another person close to the committee said the large gap in the records is of “intense interest” to some lawmakers on the committee, many of whom have reviewed copies of the documents. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss internal committee deliberations.
The records show that former White House chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon — who said on his Jan. 5 podcast that “all hell is going to break loose tomorrow” — spoke with Trump twice on Jan. 6. In a call that morning, Bannon urged Trump to continue to pressure Pence to block congressional certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election, according to people familiar with the exchange.
Trump was known for using different phones when he was in the White House, according to people familiar with his activities. Occasionally, when he made outbound calls, the number would show up as the White House switchboard’s number, according to a former Trump Cabinet official. Other times, he would call from different numbers — or no number would appear on the recipient’s phone, the official said.
A spokesman for the committee declined to comment.
A Trump spokeswoman said that Trump had nothing to do with the records and had assumed any and all of his phone calls were recorded and preserved.
In a statement Monday night, Trump said, “I have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term.”
One former Trump White House official disputed that. In an interview Tuesday afternoon, former national security adviser John Bolton said that he recalls Trump using the term “burner phones” in several discussions and that Trump was aware of its meaning. Bolton said he and Trump have spoken about how people have used burner phones to avoid having their calls scrutinized.
In a recent court filing, the Jan. 6 committee asserted it has “a good-faith basis for concluding that the President and members of his Campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States” and obstruct the counting of electoral votes by Congress.
A federal judge said in a ruling Monday that Trump “more likely than not” committed a federal crime in trying to obstruct the congressional count of electoral college votes on Jan. 6. The ruling was regarding emails that conservative lawyer John Eastman, a Trump ally, had resisted turning over to the Jan. 6 committee.
A Trump spokesman called the ruling “absurd and baseless.”
Judge: Trump ‘more likely than not’ committed crime in trying to block Biden win
Five of the pages in the White House records obtained by the House committee are titled “The Daily Diary of President Donald J. Trump” and detail some of Trump’s phone calls and movements on Jan. 6. The remaining six pages are titled “Presidential Call Log” and have information provided by the White House switchboard and aides, including phone numbers and notes on the time and duration of some calls.
Those records were given to the committee by the National Archives earlier this year after the Supreme Court rejected Trump’s request for the court to block the committee from obtaining White House documents from Jan. 6.
The Presidential Records Act requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties. The National Archives website states the presidential diary should be a “chronological record of the President’s movements, phone calls, trips” and meetings.
In January, The Post first reported that some of the Trump White House records turned over to the committee were potentially incomplete, including records that had been ripped up and taped back together. The New York Times first reported in February on the committee’s discovery of gaps in the White House phone logs from Jan. 6, but it did not specify when or for how long on that day. CNN first reported that “several hours” in Trump’s records provided to the committee lacked any notation of phone calls.
The documents obtained by the committee show Trump having several previously unreported exchanges on Jan. 6, including brief calls with Bannon and personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani that morning, before Trump had a final call with Pence, in which the vice president told him he was not going to block Congress from formalizing Biden’s victory. The call to the vice president was part of Trump’s attempt to put into motion a plan, advocated by Bannon and outlined in a memo written by conservative lawyer John Eastman, that would enable Trump to hold on to the presidency, as first reported in the book “Peril.”
According to White House records, Bannon and Trump spoke at 8:37 a.m. on Jan. 6. Trump spoke with Giuliani around 8:45 a.m. At 8:56 a.m., Trump asked the White House switchboard to call Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. Then, at 9:02 a.m., Trump asked the operator to place a call to Pence. The operator informed him that a message was left for the vice president.
Bannon’s first Jan. 6 call with Trump lasted for about one minute, according to the documents. During that conversation, Bannon asked Trump whether Pence was coming over for a breakfast meeting, according to two people familiar with the exchange. Bannon hoped Trump could pressure the vice president over breakfast to agree to thwart the congressional certification of Biden’s victory, the people said.
But Trump told Bannon that Pence was not scheduled to come to the White House following a heated meeting Trump and Pence had the previous evening, Jan. 5, in the Oval Office. Bannon quickly pressed Trump that he needed to call Pence and tell him again to hold off on doing anything that would enable certification. Trump agreed, the people said.
According to the White House phone logs, Bannon and Trump spoke again late on Jan. 6 in a call that began at 10:19 p.m. and ended at 10:26 p.m.
Bannon declined to comment through a representative.
Bannon, a central player in a group of Trump allies who met at the Willard hotel near the White House on Jan. 5 to discuss their strategy for Jan. 6, was indicted last year by the Justice Department for refusing to cooperate with the House committee, which is seeking more documents and testimony about his conversations with Trump.
Trump’s final call with Pence is not listed in the call logs, even though multiple people close to both men said that call occurred sometime in the late morning before Trump headed to the “Save America” rally at the Ellipse.
During their conversation, Pence told Trump, “When I go to the Capitol, I’ll do my job” and not block Biden’s certification, enraging Trump, according to “Peril.”
Trump said, “Mike you can do this. I’m counting on you to do it. If you don’t do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago,” he added, according to the book. “You’re going to wimp out!”
Pence later released a letter saying he did not, as vice president, have “unilateral authority to decide presidential contests,” and said he would “keep the oath” he made when he was sworn into office.
The White House logs also show that Trump had conversations on Jan. 6 with election lawyers and White House officials, as well as outside allies such as then-senator David Perdue (R-Ga.), conservative commentator William J. Bennett and Fox News host Sean Hannity.
Hannity and Perdue did not respond to requests for comment. Bennett, in a brief interview on Tuesday, said he did not recall the conversation.
According to the documents, Trump spoke with other confidants and political advisers that morning ahead of the rally. At 8:34 a.m., he spoke with Kurt Olsen, who was advising Trump on legal challenges to the election.
Trump then placed calls to Sen. Mitch McConnell (Ky.), the Republican leader, and Sen. Josh Hawley (Mo.), according to the documents. Hawley, a Trump ally, was the first senator to declare he would object to the certification, a decision that sparked other GOP senators to say they too would object.
A McConnell aide said Monday that McConnell declined Trump’s call on Jan. 6. Hawley told reporters Tuesday that he missed Trump’s call that day and that the two did not speak on Jan. 6.
The records show that Trump had a 10-minute call starting at 9:24 a.m. with Rep. Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican who worked closely with the Trump White House and was a key figure in pushing fellow GOP lawmakers to object to the certification of Biden’s election.
Jordan has declined to cooperate with the House committee. The 10-minute call Trump had with Jordan was first reported by CNN.
Giuliani and Trump spoke on Jan. 6 at 9:41 a.m. for six minutes, and at 8:39 p.m. for nine minutes, according to the White House logs. According to the documents, Giuliani called from different phone numbers.
Giuliani did not respond to a request for comment.
Trump senior adviser Stephen Miller — who told Fox News in December 2020 that an “alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote” — spoke with Trump for 26 minutes on the morning of Jan. 6, the records show. That call started at 9:52 a.m. and ended at 10:18 a.m.
Miller did not respond to a request for comment.
At 11:17 a.m., the White House daily diary states, “The President talked on a phone call to an unidentified person.” That vague call listing, with no notes on duration, is the last official record of a phone conversation that Trump had until the evening of Jan. 6.
The records of Trump’s activity throughout the day are very limited. The daily diary notes that he addressed supporters at a rally at the Ellipse midday and returned to the south grounds of the White House at 1:19 p.m.
“The President met with his Valet,” the records note of Trump’s activity at 1:21 p.m. on Jan. 6.
Trump’s supporters breached the Capitol building shortly after 2 p.m.
The next documented event in the president’s diary comes at 4:03 p.m., when “The President went to the Rose Garden” to record, for four minutes, a video message for the pro-Trump mob that had stormed the Capitol. The video, posted on Twitter at 4:17 p.m., begins with Trump falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen, then asks the rioters to “go home.” He added, “We love you. You’re very special.”
“The President returned to the Oval Office” at 4:07 p.m., the records state. The next listed action comes at 6:27 p.m.: “The President went to the Second Floor Residence.”
According to the logs, Trump made his first phone call in more than seven hours at 6:54 p.m., when he instructed the operator to call aide Daniel Scavino Jr.
Jan. 6 committee backs contempt charges for two former Trump aides
At 7:01 p.m., the records show, Trump spoke with Pat Cipollone, the White House counsel, for six minutes, and later spoke with press secretary Kayleigh McEnany.
At 9:23 p.m., Trump spoke with political adviser Jason Miller for 18 minutes. Miller has engaged with the committee and sat for a deposition, parts of which were excerpted in the committee’s filing alleging a criminal conspiracy was advanced by Trump and his allies.
Scavino could not be reached for comment. Cipollone and McEnany did not respond to requests for comment. Miller did not respond to a request for comment.
That night, Trump also spoke with lawyers supporting his election fight, such as former North Carolina Supreme Court chief justice Mark Martin and Cleta Mitchell, a veteran conservative Washington attorney who worked closely with Trump on contesting Biden’s victory in Georgia, according to the records.
His final listed call came at 11:23 p.m. and lasted 18 minutes. It was with John McEntee, then the director of presidential personnel.
Earlier this year, the Supreme Court, in an unsigned order, rejected Trump’s request to block the release of some White House records, which have been stored by the National Archives, to the committee. The Supreme Court’s order in January included a dissent from Justice Clarence Thomas.
Last week, The Post and CBS News reported the committee has obtained 29 text messages from the post-election period between Meadows and Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, Clarence Thomas’s wife and a longtime conservative activist.
The messages, which do not directly reference Justice Thomas or the Supreme Court, show how Ginni Thomas used her access to Trump’s inner circle to promote and seek to guide the president’s strategy to overturn the election results — and how receptive and grateful Meadows said he was to receive her advice. Clarence Thomas and Ginni Thomas have not responded to multiple requests for comment. She has long maintained that there is no conflict of interest between her activism and her husband’s work.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/29/trump-white-house-logs/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Jan. 6 White House logs given to House show 7-hour gap in Trump calls
The House select committee is now investigating whether it has the full record and whether Trump communicated that day through back channels, phones of aides or personal disposable phones, according to people familiar with the probe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/29/trump-white-house-logs/
we love how they’ll keep digging and find more good shit and the evidence will be incontrovertible and yet after all that it’ll come to nothing and everyone will just continue the slide from state capture into state failure
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lawyers-infowars-host-sandy-hook-school-shooting-families-head-back-court-2022-03-30/
Alex Jones held in contempt due to failure to sit for deposition
dv said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lawyers-infowars-host-sandy-hook-school-shooting-families-head-back-court-2022-03-30/Alex Jones held in contempt due to failure to sit for deposition
This is super interesting this story.. this is essentially the intersection between truth and conspiracy, insomuch that he now has to make an honest deposition about something he know is he’s lied about
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plot
https://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
Whilst Christians, Jews and Muslims made up their respective religions without evidence
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
So evolution is real but a plot, the monkeys we evolved from perhaps are behind the plot
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
damn enlightment. It’s a plot.
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
Are you sure she is an intellectual?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
Are you sure she is an intellectual?
I could be wrong but we’ll never know
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
Are you sure she is an intellectual?
I could be wrong but we’ll never know
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
Are you sure she is an intellectual?
I could be wrong but we’ll never know
C’mon, we just have to do our own research.
TATE says:
In January 2020, she joined Fox Nation, a subscription streaming service run by Fox News. Since then, she has spread conspiracy theories, including lies about the war in Ukraine that were used by Russian state media.
Also she is particularly keen on Rothschild conspiracies. I wonder why that would be.
And it doesn’t mention the i word at all.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and Fox Nation host Lara Logan claims evolution is a Rothschild plothttps://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813
“Does anyone know who employed Darwin, where Darwinism comes from? Look it up: The Rothschilds. It goes back to 10 Downing Street. The same people who employed Darwin, and his theory of evolution and so on and so on. I’m not saying that none of that is true. I’m just saying Darwin was hired by someone to come up with a theory — based on evidence, OK, fine.”
Are you sure she is an intellectual?
I could be wrong but we’ll never know
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Logan
So much stooped…
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are you sure she is an intellectual?
I could be wrong but we’ll never know
C’mon, we just have to do our own research.
TATE says:
In January 2020, she joined Fox Nation, a subscription streaming service run by Fox News. Since then, she has spread conspiracy theories, including lies about the war in Ukraine that were used by Russian state media.Also she is particularly keen on Rothschild conspiracies. I wonder why that would be.
And it doesn’t mention the i word at all.
Given that Australia’s “literary, cultural, and political journal” Quadrant supports the claim that the US 2020 election was fraudulent, I suppose we just have to accept that right-wing intellectuals are often indistinguishable from right-wing dum-dums.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Are you sure she is an intellectual?
I could be wrong but we’ll never know
C’mon, we just have to do our own research.
TATE says:
In January 2020, she joined Fox Nation, a subscription streaming service run by Fox News. Since then, she has spread conspiracy theories, including lies about the war in Ukraine that were used by Russian state media.Also she is particularly keen on Rothschild conspiracies. I wonder why that would be.
And it doesn’t mention the i word at all.
Well that’s Wikipedia bias for you! Want me to fix it?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I could be wrong but we’ll never know
C’mon, we just have to do our own research.
TATE says:
In January 2020, she joined Fox Nation, a subscription streaming service run by Fox News. Since then, she has spread conspiracy theories, including lies about the war in Ukraine that were used by Russian state media.Also she is particularly keen on Rothschild conspiracies. I wonder why that would be.
And it doesn’t mention the i word at all.
Well that’s Wikipedia bias for you! Want me to fix it?
I’m sure you will do as you wish :)
(I think the car made a good point about right wing “intellectuals” though).
and while I’m TATEing:
An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society. Coming from the world of culture, either as a creator or as a mediator, the intellectual participates in politics, either to defend a concrete proposition or to denounce an injustice, usually by either rejecting or producing or extending an ideology, and by defending a system of values.
The Rev Dodgson said:
and while I’m TATEing:An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society. Coming from the world of culture, either as a creator or as a mediator, the intellectual participates in politics, either to defend a concrete proposition or to denounce an injustice, usually by either rejecting or producing or extending an ideology, and by defending a system of values.
What does TATE mean when it isn’t art galleries in london?
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
and while I’m TATEing:An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society. Coming from the world of culture, either as a creator or as a mediator, the intellectual participates in politics, either to defend a concrete proposition or to denounce an injustice, usually by either rejecting or producing or extending an ideology, and by defending a system of values.
What does TATE mean when it isn’t art galleries in london?
The Answer To Everything :)
Otherwise known as Wikipedia.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
and while I’m TATEing:An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society. Coming from the world of culture, either as a creator or as a mediator, the intellectual participates in politics, either to defend a concrete proposition or to denounce an injustice, usually by either rejecting or producing or extending an ideology, and by defending a system of values.
What does TATE mean when it isn’t art galleries in london?
The Answer To Everything :)
Otherwise known as Wikipedia.
Aaaaah.
The Rev Dodgson said:
and while I’m TATEing:An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society.
Seems as though Lara Logan does that.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
and while I’m TATEing:An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society.
Seems as though Lara Logan does that.
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment.
- OK so far
The subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.
- Rational, skeptical and unbiased? I think not.
Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.
- I’m not sure what those mean.
It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
- Maybe the first two (at least in the views of her followers). Couldn’t say for the secon two.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
and while I’m WINTATEing:
An intellectual is a person who engages in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, and who proposes solutions for the normative problems of society.
Seems as though Lara Logan does that.
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment.
- OK so farThe subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.
- Rational, skeptical and unbiased? I think not.Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.
It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. - Rigorous standards of excellence? Another fail I think.
- I’m not sure what those mean.It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
- Maybe the first two (at least in the views of her followers). Couldn’t say for the secon two.
we’ve found critical thinking definitions to often be circular and vague, we thought it was mainly meant to be analysis plus metacognition to improve the reliability of the thoughts
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Seems as though Lara Logan does that.
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment.
- OK so farThe subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.
- Rational, skeptical and unbiased? I think not.Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.
It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. - Rigorous standards of excellence? Another fail I think.
- I’m not sure what those mean.It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
- Maybe the first two (at least in the views of her followers). Couldn’t say for the secon two.
we’ve found critical thinking definitions to often be circular and vague, we thought it was mainly meant to be analysis plus metacognition to improve the reliability of the thoughts
Metacognition? Is this got something to do with Zuckerberg?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment.
- OK so farThe subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.
- Rational, skeptical and unbiased? I think not.Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.
It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. - Rigorous standards of excellence? Another fail I think.
- I’m not sure what those mean.It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
- Maybe the first two (at least in the views of her followers). Couldn’t say for the secon two.
we’ve found critical thinking definitions to often be circular and vague, we thought it was mainly meant to be analysis plus metacognition to improve the reliability of the thoughts
Metacognition? Is this got something to do with Zuckerberg?
sugar mountain
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment.
- OK so farThe subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.
- Rational, skeptical and unbiased? I think not.Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.
It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. - Rigorous standards of excellence? Another fail I think.
- I’m not sure what those mean.It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
- Maybe the first two (at least in the views of her followers). Couldn’t say for the secon two.
we’ve found critical thinking definitions to often be circular and vague, we thought it was mainly meant to be analysis plus metacognition to improve the reliability of the thoughts
Metacognition? Is this got something to do with Zuckerberg?
Is=has
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
we’ve found critical thinking definitions to often be circular and vague, we thought it was mainly meant to be analysis plus metacognition to improve the reliability of the thoughts
Metacognition? Is this got something to do with Zuckerberg?
sugar mountain
we think if people trademark a commonly used term it doesn’t really count
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Seems as though Lara Logan does that.
Critical thinking is the analysis of available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to form a judgment.
- OK so farThe subject is complex; several different definitions exist, which generally include the rational, skeptical, and unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.
- Rational, skeptical and unbiased? I think not.Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined, self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking.
It presupposes assent to rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. - Rigorous standards of excellence? Another fail I think.
- I’m not sure what those mean.It entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
- Maybe the first two (at least in the views of her followers). Couldn’t say for the secon two.
we’ve found critical thinking definitions to often be circular and vague, we thought it was mainly meant to be analysis plus metacognition to improve the reliability of the thoughts
Some thoughts.
One would hope knowing and validation is a key part of critical thinking.
.
The difference between looking at things close up or from a distance.
Reflecting on holistic and global outlooks, looking at parts of the whole and looking at things locally.
The ability to see things from different angles or from different perspectives.
The ability to summarize.
Ted Cruz Crafted Plan To Create ‘Chaos’ So Trump Could Retain Power, January 6 Committee Investigating
March 30, 2022, 10:23 am
A Washington Post report has revealed that the January 6 committee is investigating Senator Ted Cruz for his role in the right-wing plot to overturn the 2020 election results and keep former president Donald Trump in power. Cruz allegedly worked alongside a prominent Trump lawyer, and long-time friend of the senator, to create his own plan to object to the election results in the Senate and demand a 10-day “audit” in key swing states that could allow them to overturn their state-level results.
According to the Post, as well as Rep. Liz Cheney, Republican and January 6 committee member, this could have produced a political chaos that could have allowed Trump to remain in the White House.
“It was a very dangerous proposal, and, you know, could very easily have put us into territory where we got to the inauguration and there was not a president,” said Cheney. “And I think that Senator Cruz knew exactly what he was doing. I think that Senator Cruz is somebody who knows what the Constitution calls for, knows what his duties and obligations are, and was willing, frankly, to set that aside.”
Cruz began crafting this plan, alongside other GOP plots to stop the certification of the election results and deny Joe Biden the presidency, after Trump personally contacted him to ask him to argue in favor of a lawsuit over the election that had reached the Supreme Court. Cruz happily agreed and was soon working with Trump lawyer John Eastman, who crafted “key legal memos” with the goal of stopping Biden from taking power. He also pressured Mike Pence to break procedure and declare Trump the 2020 winner on January 6.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-ted-cruz-e2-80-99s-last-ditch-battle-to-keep-trump-in-power/ar-AAVzLhs
So it turns out that ‘Eyes Wide Shut’ was a documentary:
…
Congressman Madison Cawthorn under fire over claims of DC drugs and orgies
Republican faces condemnation from House minority leader over podcast remarks but will not face immediate discipline
Martin Pengelly in New York
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Thu 31 Mar 2022 16.00 AEDT
The North Carolina congressman Madison Cawthorn will not face immediate disciplinary action over his claim to have been invited to orgies and to have seen Washington figures using cocaine.
After meeting Cawthorn on Wednesday, the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, told reporters the comments were “unacceptable”.
“There’s a lot of different things that can happen,” McCarthy added, regarding possible consequences.
“I just told him he’s lost my trust, he’s gonna have to earn it back, and I laid out everything I find is unbecoming. And you can’t just say, ‘You can’t do this again.’ I mean, he’s got a lot of members very upset.”
Cawthorn is a rightwing gadfly, controversialist and Trump supporter. He made the remarks about orgies and drugs in an interview with a podcast, Warrior Poet Society, posted online last week.
Asked if the Netflix hit House of Cards, about amoral Washington politicians and fixers, was anything like reality, Cawthorn said: “The only thing that isn’t accurate about that show is that you could never get a piece of legislation about education passed that quickly.”
The 26-year-old added: “I mean, being kind of a young guy in Washington, where the average age is probably 60 or 70 – you know, I look at all these people, a lot of them that I’ve looked up to through my life – I’ve always paid attention to politics.
“Then all of the sudden you get invited to, ‘Well, hey, we’re going to have kind of a sexual get together at one of our homes, you should come.’
“I’m like, ‘What did you just ask me to come to?’ And then you realise they are asking you to come to an orgy.”
The Republican also claimed: “You know, some of the people that are leading on the movement to try and remove addiction in our country and then you watch them do, you know, a key bump of cocaine right in front of you and it’s like, ‘Wow, this is wild.’”
“Key bump” is a slang term for a small amount of cocaine.
McCarthy met Cawthorn with the Republican chief whip, Steve Scalise, in attendance. According to the minority leader, Cawthorn admitted some of his remarks had been untrue or exaggerated.
“In the interview,” McCarthy said, “he claims he watched people do cocaine. Then when he comes in he … says he thinks he saw maybe a staffer in a parking garage from 100 yards away.
“It’s just frustrating. There’s no evidence behind his statements … I told him you can’t make statements like that, as a member of Congress, that affect everybody else and the country as a whole.”
Cawthorn did not immediately comment.
McCarthy fielded complaints about Cawthorn’s remarks from numerous House Republicans. Senators weighed in too. But on Wednesday McCarthy and Scalise told reporters they would wait to see how Cawthorn behaves before considering disciplinary action.
Scalise said: “Obviously, the ball’s in his court in terms of how to respond but we were very clear with the concerns we had.”
Cawthorn is a vocal member of the powerful far right of the House Republican caucus. McCarthy is aiming to become speaker next year.
On Wednesday a prominent House Democrat, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, asked on Twitter why “Republicans are acting so shocked by Cawthorn’s alleged revelations about their party.
“One of their members is being investigated for sex trafficking a minor and they’ve been pretty OK w that. They issued more consequences to members who voted to impeach Trump.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/30/madison-cawthorn-washington-orgies-cocaine-claims
The North Carolina congressman Madison Cawthorn will not face immediate disciplinary action over his claim to have been invited to orgies and to have seen Washington figures using cocaine.
After meeting Cawthorn on Wednesday, the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, told reporters the comments were “unacceptable”.
“There’s a lot of different things that can happen,” McCarthy added, regarding possible consequences.
“I just told him he’s lost my trust, he’s gonna have to earn it back, and I laid out everything I find is unbecoming. And you can’t just say, ‘You can’t do this again.’ I mean, he’s got a lot of members very upset.”
Cawthorn is a rightwing gadfly, controversialist and Trump supporter. He made the remarks about orgies and drugs in an interview with a podcast, Warrior Poet Society, posted online last week.
Asked if the Netflix hit House of Cards, about amoral Washington politicians and fixers, was anything like reality, Cawthorn said: “The only thing that isn’t accurate about that show is that you could never get a piece of legislation about education passed that quickly.”
The 26-year-old added: “I mean, being kind of a young guy in Washington, where the average age is probably 60 or 70 – you know, I look at all these people, a lot of them that I’ve looked up to through my life – I’ve always paid attention to politics.
“Then all of the sudden you get invited to, ‘Well, hey, we’re going to have kind of a sexual get together at one of our homes, you should come.’
“I’m like, ‘What did you just ask me to come to?’ And then you realise they are asking you to come to an orgy.”
The Republican also claimed: “You know, some of the people that are leading on the movement to try and remove addiction in our country and then you watch them do, you know, a key bump of cocaine right in front of you and it’s like, ‘Wow, this is wild.’”
“Key bump” is a slang term for a small amount of cocaine.
McCarthy met Cawthorn with the Republican chief whip, Steve Scalise, in attendance. According to the minority leader, Cawthorn admitted some of his remarks had been untrue or exaggerated.
“In the interview,” McCarthy said, “he claims he watched people do cocaine. Then when he comes in he … says he thinks he saw maybe a staffer in a parking garage from 100 yards away.
“It’s just frustrating. There’s no evidence behind his statements … I told him you can’t make statements like that, as a member of Congress, that affect everybody else and the country as a whole.”
Cawthorn did not immediately comment.
McCarthy fielded complaints about Cawthorn’s remarks from numerous House Republicans. Senators weighed in too. But on Wednesday McCarthy and Scalise told reporters they would wait to see how Cawthorn behaves before considering disciplinary action.
Scalise said: “Obviously, his ball’s are in someone’s hands or mouth in terms of how to respond but we were very clear with the concerns we had.”
Cawthorn is a vocal member of the powerful far right of the House Republican caucus. McCarthy is aiming to become speaker next year.
On Wednesday a prominent House Democrat, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, asked on Twitter why “Republicans are acting so shocked by Cawthorn’s alleged revelations about their party.
“One of their members is being investigated for sex trafficking a minor and they’ve been pretty OK w that. They issued more consequences to members who voted to impeach Trump.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/30/madison-cawthorn-washington-orgies-cocaine-claims
Troy Buswell “Orgies in US congress !, get my PA on it straight away and book a seat for myself and my nose, USA here I cum”
donkey is about to pull a populist coup
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-04/elon-musk-buys-9-per-cent-stake-in-twitter/100965686
Busted: Don Jr. Texted Trump Aide With Plot To Steal Election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R09HntLKHw
STEMocracy soon
SCIENCE said:
STEMocracy soon
Fox news and Democrats, hahaha
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
STEMocracy soon
Fox news and Democrats, hahaha
we suggest that at a point where you have half the voting population getting their “news” from 4 of 20 outlets, you are in some deep shit or well
SCIENCE said:
STEMocracy soon
To pull this out just after it was leaked that Jen Psaki, the whitehouse press secretary, is going to a job at MSNBC is comedic gold.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
STEMocracy soon
To pull this out just after it was leaked that Jen Psaki, the whitehouse press secretary, is going to a job at MSNBC is comedic gold.
Are You Arguing That It Is Phallacious
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
STEMocracy soon
Fox news and Democrats, hahaha
we suggest that at a point where you have half the voting population getting their “news” from 4 of 20 outlets, you are in some deep shit or well
you’re in trouble when news becomes whatever to go between advertisements, it’s a machine with a lot of money going into it looking for returns, and all content eventually becomes such that its primary purpose is to seduce and habituate your expectations for the formats that most effectively do that, which converges into a ubiquitous conspiracy, which the audience demand drives
We mean surely the silence is just because Ukraine is extremely distracting.
if the UK is anything to go by
Mark Meadows, a former top Trump aide, has been removed from the voter rolls in North Carolina as the state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election, election officials said Wednesday.
Meadows, who served two terms as a congressman from North Carolina before becoming President Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, has helped promote Trump’s baseless claims that widespread voter fraud delivered the presidency to Joe Biden. But his withering rhetoric about potential voter fraud has clashed with reports in recent weeks that Meadows registered to vote in 2020 using the address of a North Carolina mobile home he never stayed in.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/13/mark-meadows-north-carolina-removed-voter-rolls/
dv said:
Mark Meadows, a former top Trump aide, has been removed from the voter rolls in North Carolina as the state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election, election officials said Wednesday.
Meadows, who served two terms as a congressman from North Carolina before becoming President Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, has helped promote Trump’s baseless claims that widespread voter fraud delivered the presidency to Joe Biden. But his withering rhetoric about potential voter fraud has clashed with reports in recent weeks that Meadows registered to vote in 2020 using the address of a North Carolina mobile home he never stayed in.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/13/mark-meadows-north-carolina-removed-voter-rolls/
So you’re saying that the voter fraud claim was true then.
dv said:
Mark Meadows, a former top Trump aide, has been removed from the voter rolls in North Carolina as the state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election, election officials said Wednesday.
Meadows, who served two terms as a congressman from North Carolina before becoming President Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, has helped promote Trump’s baseless claims that widespread voter fraud delivered the presidency to Joe Biden. But his withering rhetoric about potential voter fraud has clashed with reports in recent weeks that Meadows registered to vote in 2020 using the address of a North Carolina mobile home he never stayed in.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/13/mark-meadows-north-carolina-removed-voter-rolls/
Os it a case of “if I committed fraud to win the election and still lost it must mean the other side committed a larger fraud”?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Mark Meadows, a former top Trump aide, has been removed from the voter rolls in North Carolina as the state investigates allegations that he committed voter fraud in the 2020 election, election officials said Wednesday.
Meadows, who served two terms as a congressman from North Carolina before becoming President Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, has helped promote Trump’s baseless claims that widespread voter fraud delivered the presidency to Joe Biden. But his withering rhetoric about potential voter fraud has clashed with reports in recent weeks that Meadows registered to vote in 2020 using the address of a North Carolina mobile home he never stayed in.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/13/mark-meadows-north-carolina-removed-voter-rolls/
So you’re saying that the voter fraud claim was true then.
Heh
Trump Allies Continue Legal Drive to Erase His Loss, Stoking Election Doubts
Fifteen months after they tried and failed to overturn the 2020 election, the same group of lawyers and associates is continuing efforts to “decertify” the vote, feeding a false narrative.
By Maggie Haberman, Alexandra Berzon and Michael S. Schmidt
April 18, 2022
A group of President Donald J. Trump’s allies and associates spent months trying to overturn the 2020 election based on his lie that he was the true winner.
Now, some of the same confidants who tried and failed to invalidate the results based on a set of bogus legal theories are pushing an even wilder sequel: that by “decertifying” the 2020 vote in key states, the outcome can still be reversed.
In statehouses and courtrooms across the country, as well as on right-wing news outlets, allies of Mr. Trump — including the lawyer John Eastman — are pressing for states to pass resolutions rescinding Electoral College votes for President Biden and to bring lawsuits that seek to prove baseless claims of large-scale voter fraud. Some of those allies are casting their work as a precursor to reinstating the former president.
The efforts have failed to change any statewide outcomes or uncover mass election fraud. Legal experts dismiss them as preposterous, noting that there is no plausible scenario under the Constitution for returning Mr. Trump to office.
But just as Mr. Eastman’s original plan to use Congress’s final count of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021, to overturn the election was seen as far-fetched in the run-up to the deadly Capitol riot, the continued efforts are fueling a false narrative that has resonated with Mr. Trump’s supporters and stoked their grievances. They are keeping alive the same combustible stew of conspiracy theory and misinformation that threatens to undermine faith in democracy by nurturing the lie that the election was corrupt.
The efforts have fed a cottage industry of podcasts and television appearances centered around not only false claims of widespread election fraud in 2020, but the notion that the results can still be altered after the fact — and Mr. Trump returned to power, an idea that he continues to push privately as he looks toward a probable re-election run in 2024.
Democrats and some Republicans have raised deep concerns about the impact of the decertification efforts. They warn of unintended consequences, including the potential to incite violence of the sort that erupted on Jan. 6, when a mob of Mr. Trump’s supporters — convinced that he could still be declared the winner of the 2020 election — stormed the Capitol. Legal experts worry that the focus on decertifying the last election could pave the way for more aggressive — and earlier — legislative intervention the next time around.
“At the moment, there is no other way to say it: This is the clearest and most present danger to our democracy,” said J. Michael Luttig, a leading conservative lawyer and former appeals court judge, for whom Mr. Eastman clerked and whom President George W. Bush considered as a nominee to be the chief justice of the United States. “Trump and his supporters in Congress and in the states are preparing now to lay the groundwork to overturn the election in 2024 were Trump, or his designee, to lose the vote for the presidency.”
Most of Mr. Trump’s aides would like him to stop talking about 2020 — or, if he must, to focus on changes to voting laws across the country rather than his own fate. But like he did in 2020, when many officials declined to help him upend the election results, Mr. Trump has found a group of outside allies willing to take up an outlandish argument they know he wants to see made.
The efforts have been led or loudly championed by Mike Lindell, the chief executive of MyPillow; Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser; Stephen K. Bannon, the former White House chief strategist; and Boris Epshteyn, an aide and associate of Mr. Trump’s.
Another key player has been Mr. Eastman, the right-wing lawyer who persuaded Mr. Trump shortly after the election that Vice President Mike Pence could reject certified electoral votes for Mr. Biden when he presided over the congressional count and declare Mr. Trump the victor instead.
Mr. Eastman wrote a memo and Mr. Epshteyn sent an email late last year to the main legislator pushing a decertification bill in Wisconsin, laying out a legal theory to justify the action. Mr. Eastman met last month with Robin Vos, the speaker of the State Assembly, and activists working across the country, a meeting that was reported earlier by The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Jefferson Davis, an activist from Wisconsin, said he had asked Mr. Eastman to join the meeting after hearing about his work on behalf of Mr. Trump following the election.
“If it was good enough for the president of the United States,” Mr. Davis said in an interview, “then his expertise was good enough to meet with Speaker Vos in Wisconsin on election fraud and what do we do to fix it.”
Mr. Vos has maintained that the Legislature has no pathway to decertification, in line with the guidance of its own lawyers.
“There is no mechanism in state or federal law for the Legislature to reverse certified votes cast by the Electoral College and counted by Congress,” the lawyers wrote, adding that impeachment was the only way to remove a sitting president other than in the case of incapacity.
But Mr. Eastman has made clear that he has no intention of dropping his fight to prove that the election was stolen. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack has said his legal efforts to invalidate the results most likely violated the law by trying to defraud the American people. A federal judge recently agreed, calling Mr. Eastman’s actions “a coup in search of a legal theory.”
Legal experts say his continued efforts could increase his criminal exposure; but if Mr. Eastman were ever to be charged with fraud, he could also point to his recent work as evidence that he truly believed the election was stolen.
“There are a lot of things still percolating,” Mr. Eastman said in an interview with The New York Times last fall. He claimed that states had illegally given people the ability to cast votes in ways that should have been forbidden, corrupting the results. And he pointed to a widely debunked video from State Farm Arena in Atlanta, which he claimed showed that tabulation ballots were run through counting machines multiple times during the election.
Charles Burnham, Mr. Eastman’s lawyer, said in a statement that he “was recently invited to lend his expertise to legislators and citizens in Wisconsin confronting significant evidence of election fraud and illegality. He did so in his role as a constitutional scholar and not on behalf of any client.”
The fringe legal theory that Mr. Eastman and Mr. Epshteyn are promoting — which has been widely dismissed — holds that state lawmakers have the power to choose how electors are selected, and they can change them long after the Electoral College has certified votes if they find fraud and illegality sufficiently altered the outcome. The theory has surfaced in multiple states, including several that are political battlegrounds.
As in Wisconsin, state legislators in Arizona drafted resolutions calling for the decertification of the 2020 election. In Georgia, a lawsuit sought to decertify the victories of the Democratic senators Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock. And Robert Regan, a Republican favored to win a seat in the Michigan House, has said he wants to decertify the 2020 election either through a ballot petition or the courts.
Mr. Bannon, Mr. Lindell and Mr. Epshteyn have repeatedly promoted decertification at the state level on Mr. Bannon’s podcast, “War Room,” since last summer, pushing it as a steady drumbeat and at times claiming that it could lead to Mr. Trump being put back into office. They have described the so-called audit movement that began in Arizona and spread to other states as part of a larger effort to decertify electoral votes.
“We are on a full, full freight train to decertify,” Mr. Epshteyn said on the program in January. “That’s what we’re going to get. Everyone knows. Everyone knows this election was stolen.”
Last fall, 186 state legislators from 39 states joined a letter written by Wendy Rogers, a Republican state senator from Arizona who has appeared at events hosted by Mr. Lindell, calling on “each state to decertify its electors where it has been shown the elections were certified prematurely and inaccurately.”
All the efforts have either failed to progress or been rejected for lack of legal grounds in the absence of any evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have affected the 2020 election. And even as elected Republicans have almost uniformly embraced Mr. Trump’s claims that the vote was stolen, many have rejected the idea that states should decertify their results or argued that the effort was merely symbolic, noting that he could never be reinstated.
Still, Mr. Trump is now the front-runner in public opinion surveys of the possible Republican presidential field. While he has yet to declare his candidacy, he has privately told associates that he is planning to run again.
A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not respond to an email seeking comment.
The legal drive to reverse his 2020 loss has had ripple effects in the Republican Party. With midterm congressional elections less than six months away, the push has put pressure on candidates to either endorse it or risk the wrath of Mr. Trump and his supporters. In Alabama, Representative Mo Brooks said that the former president had repeatedly demanded that he “rescind” the election and remove Mr. Biden. When the congressman said that was impossible, Mr. Trump withdrew his endorsement in the state’s Senate Republican primary.
In Pennsylvania, Jake Corman, the top Republican in the State Senate who promised last year to review the 2020 election results, said he had dropped plans to end his bid for governor after Mr. Trump urged him to “keep fighting.” He then went on Mr. Bannon’s podcast, where Mr. Corman said there was “no question” about the need to investigate whether electors needed to be decertified in battleground states, and pledged to “turn the Department of State upside down” to find evidence of illegality.
Last year, Mr. Lindell vocally championed the false claim that Mr. Biden’s victory could somehow be overturned. In Mr. Lindell’s telling, Mr. Trump would have been back in office by last August. The former president began telling associates the same thing, privately urging supporters to echo it and pressing conservative writers to state it.
August came and went with no return by Mr. Trump, but that did little to quash the idea. Mr. Flynn, who recently met with Mr. Trump at Mar-a-Lago, according to people close to the former president, posted messages on the social media platform Telegram calling for decertification of the results in Wisconsin.
But even among Mr. Trump’s staunchest backers, there is a divide over the decertification efforts, with some calling them a waste of energy.
Mike Roman, a former Trump campaign official, pointed out at a recent event with conservative activists in Pennsylvania that the idea of Mr. Trump being reinstated as president was not realistic.
“We’re not going to overturn the election in 2020,” Mr. Roman told the attendees. “We’re just not.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/us/politics/trump-allies-election-decertify.html?
Opinion: A Speaker Kevin McCarthy would mean only more debacles like this one
By Karen Tumulty
Deputy Editorial Page Editor and Columnist
Today at 3:31 p.m. EDT
The question about House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has always been: Is he really that dense, or does he just think everyone else is? Either way, and considering the clear fact that he lacks any conviction beyond his overweening desire to be in the speaker’s office, Republicans should be leery of allowing him there as anything but a visitor.
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When the New York Times, previewing an upcoming book by its journalists Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns, reported Thursday that McCarthy had privately told colleagues he planned to advise President Donald Trump to resign after the violent Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol by his supporters, McCarthy erupted in outrage. He claimed the account was “totally false and wrong” and that it was more proof that “the corporate media is obsessed with doing everything it can to further a liberal agenda.”
But Lordy, it turns out there’s tape. In the recording of a call with other Republican leaders four days after the Capitol riot that the Times released Thursday night, McCarthy said of Trump to Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.): “The only discussion I would have with him is that I think this will pass and it would be my recommendation that you should resign. Um, I mean that would be my take.” More audio surfaced Friday, including a clip in which McCarthy declared that he had “had it with this guy.”
The tapes are infuriating, as never-Trump Republican Sarah Longwell, publisher of the Bulwark, noted on Twitter: “Kevin McCarthy is casually discussing 25th Amendment, telling Trump to resign, and making sure Pence won’t pardon him. … WITH LIZ CHENEY. Only to, weeks later, kick Cheney out of leadership for saying the same things he did.”
There’s no public reaction yet to this revelation from the potentate of Mar-a-Lago, who still holds the party in his grip, but the possibility that the minority leader actually followed through on his stated plan to nudge Trump into retirement seems remote, given that only about two weeks after his conversation with the other GOP leaders, McCarthy made a pilgrimage to Palm Beach to kiss Trump’s, uh, ring.
Meanwhile, the news surely won’t sit well with the MAGAnauts in the House, including the hard-right Freedom Caucus, which helped upend McCarthy’s bid to become speaker in 2015 and has been the object of his courtship ever since. McCarthy, however, may have bought — or at least leased — their loyalty with such moves as giving his onetime rival Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) committee posts where he can play lead attack dog against the Biden administration should Republicans regain a majority in the House, which seems a likely bet.
Whether McCarthy will be leading them as speaker, however, looks far from a sure thing. This is not the first instance when he has stumbled by telling the truth and then trying to lie his way out of facing the consequences.
There was the time in 2015 when he told Fox News’s Sean Hannity that House Republicans’ supposed investigation of the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, was actually an effort to destroy the political prospects of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was considered the front-runner for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.
He boasted: “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.” In the ensuing uproar, McCarthy’s spokesman issued a statement declaring that the select committee that the Republicans set up had “nothing to do with politics.”
Then there was the leaked recording of a conversation that took place a month before Trump secured the Republican nomination in 2016, in which McCarthy suggested to fellow Republican leaders that Trump might be getting paid by Russian President Vladimir Putin. As others in the room laughed, McCarthy added: “Swear to God.” Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) cautioned everyone there: “No leaks. … This is how we know we’re a real family here.”
Then as now, McCarthy first tried to claim he never made the comments. When confronted by evidence, a spokesman played down his boss’s words as “clearly an attempt at humor.”
All of this is a preview of the embarrassments that lie ahead for Republicans if they allow McCarthy to ascend to the office he so assiduously covets. Give the House minority leader this much: He has shown everyone, more than once, precisely who he is — a dissembler, yes, but one who isn’t shrewd enough to cover his tracks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/22/kevin-mccarthy-jan-6-recording-lying/?
“I think there are people who are misguided, trying to drive, you know, Disney stepping in, saying, you know, in every episode now they’re gonna have, you know, Mickey and Pluto going at it.”
- Ted Cruz
Pick the dippiest, whackiest part of the Conservative forces in Australia right now. That’s where the centre of the Republican party is now.
dv said:
“I think there are people who are misguided, trying to drive, you know, Disney stepping in, saying, you know, in every episode now they’re gonna have, you know, Mickey and Pluto going at it.”
- Ted Cruz
Pick the dippiest, whackiest part of the Conservative forces in Australia right now. That’s where the centre of the Republican party is now.
and yet here we are tonight talking about National Socialists running for Australian parliament
maybe Ukraine was all a Putin diversion after all
some genius mentioned something about a neomurdoch or similar
SCIENCE said:
some genius mentioned something about a neomurdoch or similar
The rich only want to get richer.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
some genius mentioned something about a neomurdoch or similar
The rich only want to get richer.
maybe they want to use their money to buy megaphones
Opinion The job Kevin McCarthy sold his soul for might elude him
By Jennifer Rubin
Columnist
The latest audio of private conversations between House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and his Republican colleagues regarding the involvement of members of their party in the attempted coup might finally dash his dream of becoming speaker.
This most recent revelation follows reports last week that McCarthy told fellow Republicans he would suggest that Donald Trump resign as president for his role in the insurrection (which McCarthy never did). McCarthy had originally denied the reporting for fear of enraging Trump, only for audio of the conversation to emerge and prove he lied.
Now, the New York Times reports yet another damning recording of the Republican leader:
Representative Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader, feared in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 attack that several far-right members of Congress would incite violence against other lawmakers, identifying several by name as security risks in private conversations with party leaders.
Mr. McCarthy talked to other congressional Republicans about wanting to rein in multiple hard-liners who were deeply involved in Donald J. Trump’s efforts to contest the 2020 election and undermine the peaceful transfer of power.
He specifically called out radicals such as Reps. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) and Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who McCarthy said was “putting people in jeopardy.” He also said Gaetz “doesn’t need to be doing this. We saw what people would do in the Capitol, you know, and these people came prepared with rope, with everything else.”
In doing so, McCarthy has done the worst thing imaginable for someone in the MAGA movement: incurred the wrath of the top dog in the GOP — and that’s not the defeated former president (who had forgiven him for his private comments and seemed pleased that McCarthy had knuckled under).
Nope, this time McCarthy has enraged Fox News’s Tucker Carlson. (Disclaimer: I am an MSNBC contributor.) You might recall Carlson forced Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) to renounce his assertion that Jan. 6 was a “violent terrorist attack.” He might now effectively end McCarthy’s lifelong aspiration.
Carlson railed at McCarthy on Tuesday night, saying McCarthy was a “puppet” of the Democrats and sounded like “an MSNBC contributor,” the worst insult one can lob at a Trump sycophant. To make matters worse, Gaetz in a tweet condemned McCarthy and GOP whip Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was also caught on tape:
To recap, McCarthy knew Trump was responsible for the attempted coup and suggested (although not to Trump) that he resign. McCarthy for a time also seemed to understand some of his own members betrayed their country and posed a danger to other members. He now feels compelled to lie or deflect questions about these conversations for fear that he will lose the confidence of Republicans he considered a menace to the country — and whose support he craves to grab the speaker’s gavel.
McCarthy’s spinelessness is on full view, but worse for his career plans, he has insulted and excoriated the MAGA crowd that he has been trying to ingratiate himself with for years. In other words, he must grovel or lie his way out of trouble if he is to lead this party of unfit characters.
McCarthy might have managed to blow his chance at the speakership, as he did in 2015 when he unintentionally admitted that the purpose of the Benghazi hearings was to smear Hillary Clinton in advance of her presidential run. Aside from his gelatinous character, McCarthy’s biggest problem is that he has never been entirely successful in disguising that he doesn’t believe much of what he says. He has as much disdain for some of his fellow Republicans as, well, Democrats do. The Republicans he privately denigrates know exactly what he thinks of them.
Meanwhile, Trump finds himself potentially crosswise with his base, as he was on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Just as he scrambled to support Ukraine (whose president he previously tried to extort), Trump might need to assess if McCarthy is permanently damaged in the eyes of the MAGA base. If so, he’ll scamper after Carlson and cut McCarthy loose — thereby demonstrating that neither he nor McCarthy is the true leader of the party. That distinction goes to Carlson, who has out-Trumped Trump on just about every issue. Come to think of it, that might explain why Carlson is traveling to Iowa more than two years in advance of the 2024 election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/27/kevin-mccarthy-tape-speaker-tucker-carlson/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
The fucking idiot!!!
Just think of the crowd he could have pulled if he’d only included a rodeo element.
This man cannot be trusted to hold a raffle, let alone political power.
nice
Leaked Draft of Supreme Court Opinion Indicates Roe v. Wade May Be Overturned
A leaked Supreme Court draft opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito and published late Monday by Politico indicated the court may be preparing to overturn Roe v. Wade, the 1973 precedent that established a constitutional right to an abortion.
The draft, dated from February, couldn’t be independently confirmed, but legal observers said it appeared authentic. The Supreme Court’s spokeswoman declined to comment.
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so this must be a feature of countries that call themselves democratic
He says if a right is not spelled out in black and white, such as the right to bear arms or freedom of the press, then it is only implied when “deeply rooted in this nation’s history and tradition”.
baby formula.
Madison Cawthorn: Trump-backed Gen Z congressman ousted amid scandal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61488082
Heather Cox Richardson
4 hrs ·
May 17, 2022 (Tuesday)
On this day in 1954, the Supreme Court handed down the Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, decision, which declared the segregation of public schools unconstitutional.
Today, President Joe Biden and First Lady Jill Biden traveled to Buffalo, New York, where ten Americans were murdered and three wounded at a grocery store by a white supremacist on Saturday.
Biden named and described the victims, ten of whom were Black: a baker, a public school teacher, an election worker, a church deacon, a retired police officer, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, sisters, brothers. “Individual lives of love, service, and community that speaks to the bigger story of who we are as Americans,” Biden said. We’re a “great nation because we’re a good people.”
Evil will not win in America, Biden promised. “Hate will not prevail. And white supremacy will not have the last word.”
“What happened here is simple and straightforward,” Biden said, “Domestic terrorism. Violence inflicted in the service of hate and a vicious thirst for power that defines one group of people being inherently inferior to any other group. A hate that through the media and politics, the Internet, has radicalized angry, alienated, lost, and isolated individuals into falsely believing that they will be replaced—that’s the word, “replaced”—by the “other”—by people who don’t look like them and who are therefore, in a perverse ideology that they possess and being fed, lesser beings.”
Biden called on “all Americans to reject lie.” He condemned “those who spread the lie for power, political gain, and for profit.” “he ideology of white supremacy has no place in America,” he said. “Silence is complicity.”
“We have to refuse to live in a country where fear and lies are packaged for power and for profit.
“We must all enlist in this great cause of America.
“This is work that requires all of us—presidents and politicians, commentators, citizens. None of us can stay in the sidelines. We have to resolve here in Buffalo that from…this tragedy…will come hope and light and life. It has to. And on our watch, the sacred cause of America will never bow, never break, never bend. And the America we love—the one we love—will endure.”
Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who represents Buffalo, today wrote a letter to Rupert Murdoch, chair of the Fox Corporation, along with another three of the corporation’s leaders, to urge them to stop “the reckless amplification of the so-called ‘Great Replacement’ theory on your network’s broadcasts.” He noted that people who watch the Fox News Channel are nearly three times more likely to believe in the replacement myth than those who watch other networks. He pointed out “the central role these themes have played in your network’s programming in recent years,” especially on Tucker Carlson’s show. He wrote: “I implore you to immediately cease all dissemination of false white nationalist, far-right conspiracy theories on your network.”
New York representative Elise Stefanik, the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, who paid for ads pushing the replacement myth, today said: “It is not the time to politicize this tragedy. We mourn together as a nation.” Other Republicans insisted they did not know what the Great Replacement Theory is, although a number of them are on video articulating it
Interviewed by Silvia Foster-Frau of the Washington Post, Buffalo resident James Baldwin dismissed the notion that it was the devil who inspired the Buffalo shooter. “That’s not the devil,” he said. “That’s America. They made him, they brought him up, they put him there.”
There was other big news today. Glenn Thrush and Luke Broadwater of the New York Times reported that on April 20, attorneys in the Department of Justice (DOJ) wrote to the lead investigator for the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol, Timothy J. Heaphy, to ask if the committee would share transcripts from some of their interviews. Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division Kenneth A. Polite Jr. and U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Matthew M. Graves told Heaphy that some of the transcripts might “contain information relevant to a criminal investigation we are conducting.”
The House committee is trying to figure out exactly what happened on January 6 and in the weeks around it. It is not conducting a criminal investigation. That ground is the turf of the Department of Justice, which has so far brought indictments against at least 828 people, more than 280 of whom have pleaded guilty. The four defendants who had a jury trial were each convicted on all counts. One defendant was acquitted by a Trump-appointed judge, who agreed with the defendant’s statement that he had not seen a police line and had possibly been waved into the building. (Video shows the defendant was not screaming or attacking anyone inside the building).
The request indicates that the Department of Justice is looking broadly at the period around January 6. It also suggests that the committee has covered a lot of ground very quickly and that its information might be of use to the Justice Department.
The committee will not simply hand over their material. Congress is part of the legislative branch of government, and the Department of Justice is part of the executive branch, so there is the issue of the separation of powers to deal with. A source told Thrush and Broadwater that the committee and the Justice Department are negotiating. The Justice Department wants the transcripts; the committee wants any relevant evidence the Justice Department has.
Legal analyst Glenn Kirschner tweeted: “Whether this was always the DOJ plan (& whether the J6 committee knew it or not), important info has been developed by the J6 panel that would not have been developed had the witnesses been subpoenaed to the grand jury (as they would have pled the 5th).” He added: “If the J6 committee investigation HAD taken a back seat to a DOJ grand jury investigation, we would go years w/out knowing what any of the 1000+ witness had said. But now, we’ll have a front row seat to it all beginning June 9 AND all of those transcripts can be used in the GJ!”
Hugo Lowell, who is a congressional reporter for The Guardian, tweeted tonight that Stephanie Grisham, a former Trump aide, will be back in front of the January 6th committee tomorrow. The committee is bringing former witnesses back in to confirm evidence and details.
The committee will begin to hold its public hearings on June 9.
There are other legal cases in the news today, too, having to do with foreign influence during the Trump administration. The Department of Justice filed a civil enforcement action to force Stephen A. Wynn to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) as a foreign agent working for China. The Justice Department says that from at least June 2017 through at least August 2017, Wynn lobbied Trump and members of his administration to force out of the U.S. a Chinese national who was here for political asylum. Such a case is so exceedingly rare that the Department of Justice said it had not brought such a case in more than 30 years. Assistant Attorney General Matthew G. Olsen said, “Where a foreign government uses an American as its agent to influence policy decisions in the United States, FARA gives the American people a right to know.”
During this period, Wynn was one of four Republican National Committee finance chairs; the other three were Elliott Broidy, Michael Cohen, and Louis DeJoy. In 2020, Broidy pleaded guilty to conspiring to violate foreign lobbying laws; he worked to win benefits for Chinese and Malaysian interests from the Trump administration. Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud. Louis DeJoy was appointed in May 2020 to head the United States Postal Service, where he made changes that appeared to be attempts to influence the 2020 election. Broidy recruited Wynn to work for China, thinking that Wynn’s work with the RNC, his business experience in China, and his friendship with Trump “would be helpful in getting access to Trump Administration officials.”
FARA scholar Carrie Levine tweeted: “So, to recap, DOJ is alleging that Wynn was contacting Trump administration officials to advocate for China while serving as RNC finance chair.”
In another case, a superseding indictment filed today in New York federal court accuses Trump’s good friend Thomas Barrack of accepting a pledge of $374 million from the United Arab Emirates while he was also illegally lobbying the administration for the UAE.
Today, in the wake of the Buffalo shooting, Miles Taylor—a member of Trump’s administration who warned anonymously of how dangerous Trump was—announced he was leaving the Republican Party and called on others to do the same. “In the wake of the mass shooting in Buffalo on Saturday,” he wrote, “it’s become glaringly obvious that my party no longer represents conservative values but in fact poses a threat to them—and to America.”
On Monday, two days after publication of the Buffalo murderer’s 10-page manifesto that asserted “white genocide” will result from the high fertility rates of non-white immigrants, Stefanik tweeted: “Democrats desperately want wide open borders and mass amnesty for illegals allowing them to vote. Like the vast majority of Americans, Republicans want to secure our borders and protect election integrity.”
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/fox-and-its-white-supremacists-in-suits-give-succour-to-mass-killers-20220519-p5amoj.html
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Yay the GOP and their third-ranking member in the house.
Witty Rejoinder said:
On Monday, two days after publication of the Buffalo murderer’s 10-page manifesto that asserted “white genocide” will result from the high fertility rates of non-white immigrants, Stefanik tweeted: “Democrats desperately want wide open borders and mass amnesty for illegals allowing them to vote. Like the vast majority of Americans, Republicans want to secure our borders and protect election integrity.”https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/fox-and-its-white-supremacists-in-suits-give-succour-to-mass-killers-20220519-p5amoj.html
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Yay the GOP and their third-ranking member in the house.
What is this vast majority of which they speak?
America’s states are drifting apart over illegal immigration
Deepening fissures over the treatment of illegal immigrants
May 19th 2022
Congressional dysfunction can cause chaos in America. Look at illegal immigration, where the law strands 10.5m unauthorised migrants in limbo, with little chance of deportation or the legal status that confers the right to work. In the absence of legislation, presidents oscillate wildly. Barack Obama sought to declare almost half of the unauthorised population exempt from deportation and eligible to work. Donald Trump turned the screws the other way, and tried deterring migrants by heartlessly separating parents from children. President Joe Biden is facing dissent from Democrats fearful of Republican attacks if, as planned, he ends a pandemic-response measure called Title 42 on May 23rd. This lets American border police expel asylum-seekers and other migrants on public-health grounds.
America’s federalist system wisely leaves much room to the states to act as laboratories. But state experimentation on immigration has gravitated to the extremes. In some Republican states the aim seems to be cruelty for its own sake. Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, has suggested that the Supreme Court should reverse precedent and remove the obligation to educate illegal children, as if that would do anybody any good.
Democratic states, by contrast, have opted to spend money. They are expanding welfare benefits for their illicit residents. New York, which in 2019 began issuing driving licences to residents in the state illegally, set up a $2.1bn fund to provide unemployment benefits and pandemic relief. Three years ago California expanded Medicaid, the government health-insurance programme for the poor, to include young irregular residents. Its governor, Gavin Newsom, wishes to offer the programme to all, regardless of immigration status.
America is an outlier. In Europe and elsewhere access to benefits is limited to citizens or legal immigrants—who often have to wait for several years to be eligible. You would not expect Bavaria to sponsor Syrian migrants that the German interior ministry had turned away, or councils in London to offer housing benefits to adults who are in Britain illegally. It is Congress’s lack of will to deal with illegal immigration in America that explains the urge in California and New York to do something about their permanent shadow-class. Despite vigorous efforts, one-tenth of California’s non-elderly population lacks health insurance. Of that group, the illegal immigrants account for 40%.
Alas, these efforts are likely to be yet another stop-start measure. Because most federal laws ban spending on illegal residents, states must fund the expanded services without federal subsidies. At present, their budgets are swollen by a strong recovery and overgenerous federal funding during the pandemic. In a recession, when budgets are squeezed, such spending is likely to come under political attack. Democrats have long maintained, correctly, that unlawful immigrants by and large work hard and pay taxes, but receive few benefits. That line will be harder to sustain as these programmes grow—to the relish of the nativist right, who will deem their warnings vindicated.
Only Congress can sort out the confusion of half-built border walls, seesawing presidential decrees and contradictory state regimes. Immigration reform, with an orderly path to legal residency for those who pay taxes and do not commit crimes, was once a bipartisan pursuit. It has been forgotten amid the Trumpian takeover of the Republican Party. Some Democratic senators, like Bob Menendez and Catherine Cortez Masto, remain committed to the idea of trading a route to citizenship for stronger border security and faster immigration courts, which today are overwhelmed. The party’s left has turned instead to daydreaming about abolishing America’s immigration authority. The pity is that a labour shortage makes this an especially propitious time for mending the system.
When the federal government works, it establishes a legal floor of rights and obligations that states cannot fall below, but can choose to exceed. On abortion, climate change and immigration, however, it is failing. In its place, Democratic and Republican states are looking ever more balkanised and the courts are filling the vacuum, creating confusion and uncertainty.
In 1858, as American states began dividing over slavery in the run up to the civil war, Abraham Lincoln warned that: “A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free.” This isn’t 1858 and immigration isn’t slavery. However America’s fissures are running alarmingly deep.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/05/19/americas-states-are-drifting-apart-over-illegal-immigration?
(CNN)Tuesday’s Georgia Republican gubernatorial primary between incumbent Gov. Brian Kemp and former US Senator and ardent Donald Trump supporter David Perdue was touted nationwide as an epic showdown between the former president and any Republican officeholder who dared to defy him after his defeat in the 2020 election. Kemp prevailed against Perdue Tuesday night in a major blow to the former president.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/opinions/georgia-republican-primary-brian-kemp-perdue-trump-lindsey/index.html
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5 GOP candidates in Michigan ineligible after fraud, election office says
By Amy B Wang
May 24, 2022 at 12:41 p.m. EDT
Five of 10 Republican candidates for the gubernatorial nomination in Michigan are ineligible to appear on the ballot because of invalid signatures on their nominating petitions, the Michigan elections bureau said in a report Monday, upending the race little more than two months before the August primary.
Those the elections bureau said were ineligible include former Detroit police chief James Craig and businessman Perry Johnson, who have been considered the leading candidates for the GOP nomination for Michigan governor. Others were Donna Brandenburg, Michael Brown and Michael Markey.
The Michigan Board of State Canvassers, made up of two Democrats and two Republicans, will meet Thursday morning to discuss the election bureau’s report and rule on whether the candidates can appear on the Aug. 2 primary ballot.
State investigators identified 36 people who circulated petitions “who submitted fraudulent petition sheets consisting entirely of invalid signatures,” according to an elections bureau report published Monday night.
“In total, the Bureau estimates that these circulators submitted at least 68,000 invalid signatures submitted across 10 sets of nominating petitions,” the report stated. “In several instances, the number of invalid signatures submitted by these circulators was the reason a candidate had an insufficient number of valid signatures.”
The gubernatorial candidates were required to collect at least 15,000 valid signatures to appear on the ballot. According to the elections bureau, Craig’s campaign submitted 11,113 invalid signatures and only 10,192 “facially valid” ones, while Johnson’s campaign submitted 9,393 invalid signatures and 13,800 facially valid ones, leaving both below the required threshold.
The bureau’s investigation also found that Brandenburg’s campaign submitted 11,144 invalid signatures and 6,634 facially valid ones; Brown’s campaign submitted 13,809 invalid signatures and 7,091 facially valid ones; and Markey’s campaign submitted 17,374 invalid signatures and 4,430 facially valid ones.
The elections bureau noted that this level of fraud — both in the number of invalid signatures submitted and the number of campaigns affected — was unprecedented. Some of the fraudulent petition sheets tended to show “no evidence of normal wear,” or showed evidence of having been “round-tabled,” a practice in which each person in a group takes turns signing one line of a petition in an attempt to make the signatures appear authentic, the bureau said.
The report comes as former president Donald Trump relentlessly perpetuates the debunked, baseless claim that widespread voter fraud cost him reelection in 2020.
Johnson has said he shares Trump’s “concern about election security” and attended a fundraiser with the former president for a fellow Republican at Mar-a-Lago in March. Craig has sought to distance himself more from Trump’s voter-fraud claims but has said he would support a “thorough audit” of the 2020 election results and would accept Trump’s endorsement if it were offered to him.
The elections bureau said it did not have reason to believe specific candidates or campaigns were aware their petitions were being fraudulently circulated, but made their recommendations to disqualify five of them based on whether a candidate met the 15,000-signature threshold after invalid signatures were removed from their petitions.
Mark Brewer, a former chair of the Michigan Democratic Party who filed a lawsuit challenging Craig’s nominating petition last month, told Bridge Michigan, “The proof just keeps piling up of a massive forgery scheme.”
In a statement Monday, Johnson called for reforms to the nominating petition process, saying it was “fatally flawed.”
“Criminals can commit fraud for money or by purposely infiltrating a victimized campaign with illegitimate signatures in a machiavellian attempt by the opposing party to later have them removed from the ballot,” Johnson said. “Unfortunately, the signatures provided to campaigns cannot currently be checked until after their submission to the Secretary of State. This needs to change, immediately.”
John Yob, a consultant for Johnson, said in a set of tweets that the campaign would take the case to court if necessary and cast itself as one of the victims of the forgers.
“The staff of the Democrat Secretary of does not have the right to unilaterally void every single signature obtained by the alleged forgers who victimized five campaigns,” Yob said. “We strongly believe they are refusing to count thousands of signatures from legitimate voters who signed the petitions and look forward to winning this fight before the Board, and if necessary, in the courts.”
Brown, a Marine Corps veteran and commander of the Southwest Michigan District of the State Police, announced Tuesday that he was immediately withdrawing from the governor’s race.
“It appears that after my campaign’s signature gathering was complete, individuals independently contracted for a portion of our signature gathering and validation jumped onto other campaigns and went on a money grab,” Brown said in a statement. “They were involved in allegedly fraudulent signature gathering activities with these campaigns causing the Michigan Bureau of Elections to declare all of the signatures connected to those individuals as invalid. I cannot and will not be associated with this activity.”
The Republican nominee will face Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D), who is seeking another term.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/24/michigan-governor-fraudulent-signatures-craig-johnson/?
Donald Trump recalibrates his standing in GOP after primary setbacks
The former president is seeking out information on potential 2024 rivals after defeats for his chosen candidates raise questions about his continued dominance of the Republican Party
By Josh Dawsey, Michael Scherer and Ashley Parker
May 25, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
ATLANTA — Donald Trump has long been the dominant force in Republican politics, but as he has faced a spate of setbacks in recent weeks — punctuated Tuesday night by the defeat of his favored gubernatorial candidate here in Georgia — the former president has been privately fretting about who might challenge him.
Trump has been quizzing advisers and visitors at his Mar-a-Lago resort in South Florida about his budding rivals for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, including his former vice president, Mike Pence, and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ®.
Among his questions, according to several advisers, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations: Who will actually run against him? What do the polls show? Who are his potential foes meeting with?
He also had revived conversations about announcing a presidential exploratory committee to try to dissuade challengers, they say, even as some party officials and advisers continue to urge him to wait until after the midterm elections to announce that he’s running.
Trump’s deliberations follow prominent defeats this month for his chosen candidates in Idaho, Nebraska, North Carolina and now Georgia, where former senator David Perdue was defeated Tuesday by Trump’s arch-nemesis, Gov. Brian Kemp, who refused his entreaties to overturn the election he lost in the state in 2020. The defeats were driven by rival Republican power centers amid a growing sense that Trump may not hold the dominant sway he once had over the party.
Throughout Georgia, Republican voters said they simply dismissed Trump’s sharp criticisms of Kemp and overwhelmingly elected the incumbent governor, delivering a remarkable repudiation of the former president by giving Kemp a victory margin of about 50 percentage points.
“I voted for him twice. Would I do it again? No!” said Vijay Bahl, a 65-year-old developer who attended Kemp’s election night party Tuesday at the College Football Hall of Fame. “Trump’s divisiveness hurt Perdue here, and his endorsement backfired. It wasn’t really his content but his delivery. And Trump can be a very vindictive person.”
Over the din of a lone country crooner on the stage, Jim Braden, a 62-year-old developer, stood near the front of the makeshift indoor football field and said it was an easy choice to pick Kemp for governor.
“We’re not like the rest of the country that’s going to follow the lie,” he said of Trump’s false claims of winning the 2020 election.
In his victory speech, Kemp did not mention Trump and barely mentioned Perdue. “Even in the middle of a tough primary, conservatives across our state didn’t listen to the noise. They didn’t get distracted,” he said. “Georgia Republicans went to the ballot box and overwhelmingly endorsed four more years of our vision for this great state.”
That Trump spent more than $2.5 million on behalf of Perdue, held a rally in Georgia and relentlessly attacked Kemp but was still defeated was the latest sign that his influence over the Republican Party, while considerable, has receded somewhat in recent months. In another defeat, Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state who resisted Trump’s calls to “find” votes in 2020, defeated his opponent, Trump-backed Rep. Jody Hice.
The Republican Governors Association steered $5 million to defeat Perdue after backing victors against Trump picks in Nebraska and Idaho. The emerging field of 2024 rivals has grown increasingly bold in showing a willingness to campaign against his interests. And in the Senate, all but 11 Republicans joined with Democrats on a recent military aid bill for Ukraine, despite Trump’s criticism of the measure as a misplaced priority given the domestic baby formula shortage.
“Donald Trump is truly the leader of the party right now, but there are many people, particularly those in elected office, who also stake a claim to the ‘America First’ agenda,” Trump’s former White House counselor, Kellyanne Conway, said Tuesday during a Washington Post Live event when asked about the growing dissent within the party.
The former president has also found himself fighting in races in Ohio, Alabama and Pennsylvania against the Club for Growth, a deep-pocketed conservative group that once advised him. His candidate for Senate in Pennsylvania, Mehmet Oz, is locked in a tight race headed for a recount after the May 17 primary there and has ignored Trump’s repeated calls to declare victory before all ballots are counted. And Trump’s pick for governor in Pennsylvania, Doug Mastriano, found his primary victory marred last week by a statement from the RGA suggesting that the group did not see him as a competitive candidate.
The shifts add up to the biggest challenge to Trump’s self-image — “The king of endorsements,” he recently boasted — since his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol thrust his party into temporary chaos. Few in the party still publicly oppose or criticize him while seeking elected office, but a growing group has been working overtime to show that he can be ignored and is not infallible.
Trump has publicly batted away such concerns as he has vowed to allies that he plans to run for president again.
“I looked at the polls, and I’m ahead by 60 or 70 points,” the former president said during a recent interview with The Post at Mar-a-Lago, when asked about his Republican opponents for the 2024 nomination, without citing a specific poll. He repeatedly bragged that he “made” several of them, or argued they owed him loyalty.
When asked about other Republicans, like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), who have repeatedly campaigned against his endorsees, Trump said he was watching closely.
“This is their prerogative,” he said. “People can do that, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it.”
But privately, his team increasingly expects Republican challengers — potentially including DeSantis, Pence, former secretary of state Mike Pompeo and former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, along with others — to come after him in 2024. Among his advisers’ biggest concerns, though, is that DeSantis, who has dominated chatter among Republican operatives and donors, takes Trump on.
“My guess is a lot of people run against him,” said Tony Fabrizio, his longtime pollster, if Trump announces he’s running.
That view is now widely held in Republican circles.
“I think there is a very real and growing sense — albeit in hushed tones, private conversations, and rarely publicly but more publicly now than ever before — of people saying maybe not that he’s a paper tiger, but that his power is greatly diminished,” one person close to him said. “Privately, no one around Trump — and when I say no one, I mean no one, other than the handful of people who wouldn’t have any professional existence without him — wants him to run again.”
Another Republican operative who recently met with Trump said it is now clear that Trump will have to compete to win the 2024 GOP nomination, for which the former president remains heavily favored.
“It isn’t going to be a clear field for him. There’s a lot of people who want to go against him,” the operative said. “If he runs, Pompeo, Pence and Chris Christie all will consider running against him. Who knows what DeSantis will do? These guys are out there working, they are hitting every donor they can find, they want to run.”
Pence’s decision to campaign for Kemp, whom Trump has called “a disaster” for not overturning the 2020 election results, is particularly notable — an early sign of clear separation between the longtime allies. Pompeo, another potential 2024 contender, has also become increasingly vocal, criticizing Oz after Trump endorsed him and calling for the “counting of valid absentee ballots” in Pennsylvania after Trump suggested Oz declare victory over rival David McCormick before the primary ballots were counted.
In Georgia, results were in before 9 p.m. for Kemp and Perdue had already conceded. There was little suspense in either crowd.
Advisers have repeatedly had to talk Trump out of announcing a run for president ahead of the midterms, which Republican strategists worry would offer a jolt to Democratic prospects by shifting the focus away from frustrations with President Biden, whose approval rating hovers around 40 percent. Trump has privately raged against some of his former allies, such as Pence, and has been discussing how to attack potential 2024 foes.
On the ground in key states, Trump’s intervention has caused friction with some of his local supporters.
“You’ve got Republicans willing to go down there and campaign for Kemp, you’ve got 30 or 40 or 50 state party chairmen in these places criticizing Trump, you’ve got guys like Rob Gleason, who delivered Pennsylvania for us in 2016, coming out against him,” said one longtime Trump adviser, who noted the anger that followed Trump’s endorsements of Oz for Senate and Mastriano for governor.
In Alabama, Rep. Mo Brooks ® lost only two of his 67 county campaign chairs in his Senate race after Trump pulled his endorsement in March, according an adviser. Both later signed back up, as Brooks continued to campaign by arguing that Trump had been misled by the advisers around him. Brooks’ share of the vote in public polls more than doubled in the weeks after Trump withdrew his endorsement, as the other candidates in the race turned their fire on each other. After Tuesday’s primary, Brooks is now headed for a runoff against rival Katie Britt.
In the Senate, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), whom Trump has singled out as a foe in recent months, publicly celebrated in an interview with Politico the recent overwhelming vote to send more support to Ukraine as a repudiation of “some loose talk during the Trump years” about wavering Republican commitment to allies in Europe. Trump had released a statement a week earlier, describing the $40 billion effort as a move by “Democrats” that was improper, given the baby formula shortage. “America First!” he wrote.
The former president nonetheless remains a strong favorite if he chooses to run again, with a massive small-dollar fundraising operation and continued support within the party. A Post-ABC News poll released this month found that 6 in 10 Republican and Republican-leaning voters said party leaders should follow Trump’s leadership, compared with 34 percent who wanted to take the party in a different direction.
“I think he’s going to run. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t run. All the polling shows he would be the front-runner by a country mile,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said. “The day that Trump makes it clear he’s going to run — it would be a mountain to climb to beat him.”
Ed McMullen, a longtime Trump ally and former ambassador, recently attended a small fundraising dinner for DeSantis in South Carolina, his home state, raising eyebrows in the Palmetto State. But McMullen said he was for Trump all the way — should Trump run. “I’m supporting Trump in 2024, and I have no doubt he’s running,” McMullen said.
“When you look at states like Pennsylvania, everyone enveloped themselves and wrapped themselves in Trump policy,” he continued. “All the candidates are embracing the president.”
Fabrizio said he’d polled in five different states about whether voters would support Trump in a primary campaign, and over 50 percent in each of the states said they would vote for him “regardless,” if he entered the race.
But he said it would be easier said than done to defeat Trump.
“Just because people speak out and take him on doesn’t mean they can beat him. They have to beat him somewhere, not some candidate he endorsed. They have to beat him. I haven’t seen any data that showed any of these people are beating him anywhere. In fact, the person that comes closest is DeSantis, and all the rest of these people chattering on the sidelines can’t even break into double digits,” Fabrizio said.
Some of his opponents have been heartened by his electoral struggles. Christie, Pence and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan ® — all potential 2024 candidates — appeared on behalf of Kemp. All three have told others they might run against Trump.
Nebraska Republican gubernatorial candidate Charles Herbster shakes hands with former president Donald Trump during a campaign rally on May 1 in Greenwood, Neb. Herbster went on to lose in the primary. (Kenneth Ferriera/AP)
In the meantime, Trump has focused on directing the public’s attention to his own count of primary endorsement wins, which he tallied at 82 to 3, before Tuesday night, a statistic that includes dozens of uncontested races with little competition. It also leaves out races like the Alabama Senate contest, where he withdrew his endorsement of Brooks.
Taking account of only the prominent and heavily contested contests in May, his record is 6 to 4 after Tuesday, with one race still outstanding. Trump’s endorsements have lost in the Nebraska, Idaho and Georgia gubernatorial primaries, and one House primary in North Carolina, where Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) failed to win the nomination. His endorsements for two other House seats, in North Carolina and West Virginia, won, as did his picks in Senate contests in Ohio, North Carolina and Georgia, as well as his pick of Mastriano for governor of Pennsylvania. His pick for the Pennsylvania Senate, Oz, leads slightly in that race, with more ballots to tally and a recount pending.
Down-ballot in Georgia on Tuesday, Trump did poorly, with his pick for attorney general losing, along with his picks for insurance commissioner and secretary of state.
“There’s a lot of folks around him who think that he shouldn’t be endorsing in every single opportunity; just take a few endorsements that he feels great about and stick with those,” another person close to Trump said. “I think this is his way of gambling and he enjoys that part of politics.”
In Georgia, Trump repeatedly goaded Perdue into the race, even though he soured on his candidacy near the end of the campaign because be believed Perdue had run a lazy effort. Allies of Perdue say he only ran because Trump repeatedly told him he could win — and found it difficult to gain any traction or raise money.
Erick Erickson, a prominent conservative radio host and friend of Kemp’s who emceed the governor’s Monday and Tuesday night events, said Kemp didn’t want to fight with Trump — and had tried to stay out of it, knowing the former president remained popular with many Republican voters. “It shows his impact is waning,” he said, adding it didn’t have to be that way.
“Trump made it a rejection of Trump. Kemp didn’t,” Erickson said. “Trump did that. Trump chose to do that.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/25/trump-midterms-setbacks-2024/?
Heather Cox Richardson: U.S. Politics “A Tyranny of the Minority”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoMvvKuw2oQ
Heather Cox Richardson
2 hrs ·
May 27, 2022 (Friday)
The timeline for the Uvalde massacre is becoming clearer.
After shooting his grandmother in the face and taking her truck, the gunman got to Robb Elementary School at 11:28 Tuesday morning and started firing into the school windows. A police officer responded to a call about the shooter but drove by him, instead mistaking a teacher for the suspect. The gunman got into the school through a door that had been propped open, and began his rampage down a hallway, ending up at about 11:30 in two joined fourth-grade classrooms, 111 and 112, with students and two teachers.
He apparently closed and locked the door. He shot the teachers first, and then students.
Local police responded, and several ran into the school. Two were wounded slightly at the doorway when bullets came through it. By noon, there were 19 police officers in the school and many others outside. Parents were gathering, urging the officers to charge the shooter. Officers warned them not to interfere with an ongoing investigation, arresting at least one and pinning another to the ground. By 12:15, a tactical team from the U.S. Border Patrol arrived at the school.
But there appears to have been confusion about who was in charge. Uvalde is a town of about 16,000 people, and it has a six-officer department to oversee eight schools, as well as a city police force with a SWAT team. The first people on the scene were city officers, but Pedro Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, took charge.
Arredondo apparently ordered the officers not to rush the classroom despite the sporadic gunfire coming from it. The head of the Texas state police, Steven C.McCraw, said today that, despite decades of active shooter trainings that call for rushing a gunman, Arredondo decided that the gunman had barricaded himself in the classroom and was no longer an active shooter, and thus there were no children at risk. He decided to wait for more equipment and more officers to arrive before attempting to break into the room.
At least two children trapped in the classroom with the shooter called 911 at least eight times during the siege to beg for help. “Please send the police now,” one girl whispered on one of her several calls.
At about 12:50, the Border Patrol officers got a key from a janitor, unlocked the door, stormed the room and killed the gunman.
The gunman was in the school for 78 minutes before law enforcement officers went in after him. He killed 21 people and wounded 17 more.
In a press conference today, McCraw called the delay in rushing the gunman “the wrong decision.” Asked what he would say to the parents, he responded: “I don’t have anything to say to the parents, other than what happened. We are not here to defend what happened, we are here to report the facts…. If I thought it would help, I would apologize.”
The events in Uvalde have dealt a devastating blow to the theory that a good guy with a gun will prevent gun violence.
A Politico/Morning consult poll out Wednesday showed “huge support” for gun regulations. It showed that 88% of voters strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales, while only 8% strongly or somewhat oppose such checks. That’s a net approval of +80.
Preventing gun sales to people who have been reported to police as dangerous by a mental health provider is supported by 84% of voters while only 9% oppose it, a net approval of +75.
Seventy-seven percent of voters support requiring guns to be stored in a safe storage unit, while only 15% oppose such a requirement, a net approval of +62.
A national database for gun sales gets 75% approval and 18% disapproval, a net approval rate of +57.
Banning assault style weapons like the AR-15 has an approval rate of 67% of voters while only 25% disapprove. That’s a net approval of +42.
And fifty-four percent of voters approve of arming teachers with concealed weapons, while only 34% oppose it, a net approval of +20.
And yet, their opposition to regulation and their embrace of cowboy individualism means Republicans have made it clear they will not entertain any measures to regulate gun ownership, except perhaps the last one, which teachers, parents, students, and the two largest teachers’ unions all overwhelmingly oppose.
The party appears to be doubling down on their support for expanded gun rights, trying to convince gun owners that the regulations under which we lived until 2004 will somehow end gun ownership altogether. Today, Texas Senator Ted Cruz seemed to be trying to distract the popular fury over the massacre with an argument that schools need fewer doors, a nonsensical argument that seemed designed to derail the public conversation as people go down rabbit holes talking about fire safety and extended school campuses, gym class, and recess, and murderers who simply pull fire alarms.
When the National Rifle Association opened its annual conference today in Houston, Texas, former president Trump attended, although others had begged off because of the massacre. “You are the backbone of our movement,” he told the crowd, which was not allowed to have guns—or knives, or laser pointers—in the General Assembly Hall to protect Trump’s safety. “He’s always with us, always supporting us, when a lot of people are running in the other direction,” a man from Houston told Glenn Thrush of the New York Times. “I think him coming here, at this time, is huge.”
But there is something else huge at work in the country right now, too. Protests against the weaponry that makes gun violence the leading cause of death for those between the ages of 1 and 24 are spreading. Today, more than 4000 protesters, including Beto O’Rourke, the Democratic candidate for Texas governor, gathered in the 93 degree heat outside the NRA convention to share their stories of gun violence and their contempt for leaders who refuse to stand against it. Children stood with pictures of the children murdered in Uvalde with signs that said: “Am I next?” O’Rourke told the crowd: “The time for us to stop mass shootings in this country is right now, right here, today.”
Tonight, Jocelyn Benson, the Michigan secretary of state who stood up to Trump when he accused her of preparing to rig the vote in 2020, tweeted: “The only thing that can stop a bad politician with a vote is a good citizen with a vote.”
sarahs mum said:
Heather Cox Richardson
2 hrs ·
May 27, 2022 (Friday)
The timeline for the Uvalde massacre is becoming clearer.
After shooting his grandmother in the face and taking her truck, the gunman got to Robb Elementary School at 11:28 Tuesday morning and started firing into the school windows. A police officer responded to a call about the shooter but drove by him, instead mistaking a teacher for the suspect. The gunman got into the school through a door that had been propped open, and began his rampage down a hallway, ending up at about 11:30 in two joined fourth-grade classrooms, 111 and 112, with students and two teachers.
He apparently closed and locked the door. He shot the teachers first, and then students.Local police responded, and several ran into the school. Two were wounded slightly at the doorway when bullets came through it. By noon, there were 19 police officers in the school and many others outside. Parents were gathering, urging the officers to charge the shooter. Officers warned them not to interfere with an ongoing investigation, arresting at least one and pinning another to the ground. By 12:15, a tactical team from the U.S. Border Patrol arrived at the school.
But there appears to have been confusion about who was in charge. Uvalde is a town of about 16,000 people, and it has a six-officer department to oversee eight schools, as well as a city police force with a SWAT team. The first people on the scene were city officers, but Pedro Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, took charge.
Arredondo apparently ordered the officers not to rush the classroom despite the sporadic gunfire coming from it. The head of the Texas state police, Steven C.McCraw, said today that, despite decades of active shooter trainings that call for rushing a gunman, Arredondo decided that the gunman had barricaded himself in the classroom and was no longer an active shooter, and thus there were no children at risk. He decided to wait for more equipment and more officers to arrive before attempting to break into the room.
At least two children trapped in the classroom with the shooter called 911 at least eight times during the siege to beg for help. “Please send the police now,” one girl whispered on one of her several calls.
At about 12:50, the Border Patrol officers got a key from a janitor, unlocked the door, stormed the room and killed the gunman.
The gunman was in the school for 78 minutes before law enforcement officers went in after him. He killed 21 people and wounded 17 more.In a press conference today, McCraw called the delay in rushing the gunman “the wrong decision.” Asked what he would say to the parents, he responded: “I don’t have anything to say to the parents, other than what happened. We are not here to defend what happened, we are here to report the facts…. If I thought it would help, I would apologize.”
The events in Uvalde have dealt a devastating blow to the theory that a good guy with a gun will prevent gun violence.
A Politico/Morning consult poll out Wednesday showed “huge support” for gun regulations. It showed that 88% of voters strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales, while only 8% strongly or somewhat oppose such checks. That’s a net approval of +80.
Preventing gun sales to people who have been reported to police as dangerous by a mental health provider is supported by 84% of voters while only 9% oppose it, a net approval of +75.
Seventy-seven percent of voters support requiring guns to be stored in a safe storage unit, while only 15% oppose such a requirement, a net approval of +62.
A national database for gun sales gets 75% approval and 18% disapproval, a net approval rate of +57.
Banning assault style weapons like the AR-15 has an approval rate of 67% of voters while only 25% disapprove. That’s a net approval of +42.And fifty-four percent of voters approve of arming teachers with concealed weapons, while only 34% oppose it, a net approval of +20.
And yet, their opposition to regulation and their embrace of cowboy individualism means Republicans have made it clear they will not entertain any measures to regulate gun ownership, except perhaps the last one, which teachers, parents, students, and the two largest teachers’ unions all overwhelmingly oppose.The party appears to be doubling down on their support for expanded gun rights, trying to convince gun owners that the regulations under which we lived until 2004 will somehow end gun ownership altogether. Today, Texas Senator Ted Cruz seemed to be trying to distract the popular fury over the massacre with an argument that schools need fewer doors, a nonsensical argument that seemed designed to derail the public conversation as people go down rabbit holes talking about fire safety and extended school campuses, gym class, and recess, and murderers who simply pull fire alarms.
When the National Rifle Association opened its annual conference today in Houston, Texas, former president Trump attended, although others had begged off because of the massacre. “You are the backbone of our movement,” he told the crowd, which was not allowed to have guns—or knives, or laser pointers—in the General Assembly Hall to protect Trump’s safety. “He’s always with us, always supporting us, when a lot of people are running in the other direction,” a man from Houston told Glenn Thrush of the New York Times. “I think him coming here, at this time, is huge.”
But there is something else huge at work in the country right now, too. Protests against the weaponry that makes gun violence the leading cause of death for those between the ages of 1 and 24 are spreading. Today, more than 4000 protesters, including Beto O’Rourke, the Democratic candidate for Texas governor, gathered in the 93 degree heat outside the NRA convention to share their stories of gun violence and their contempt for leaders who refuse to stand against it. Children stood with pictures of the children murdered in Uvalde with signs that said: “Am I next?” O’Rourke told the crowd: “The time for us to stop mass shootings in this country is right now, right here, today.”
Tonight, Jocelyn Benson, the Michigan secretary of state who stood up to Trump when he accused her of preparing to rig the vote in 2020, tweeted: “The only thing that can stop a bad politician with a vote is a good citizen with a vote.”
of course, there is another solution which decreases the spread of airborne infectious diseases as well…
dv said:
People who think they are all growed up because they can say fuck rarely have much to add to a debate.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
dv said:
savage
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
George Carlin on the use of the word, FUCK
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
I’m, quite obviously, a genius.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
I’m, quite obviously, a genius.
well fuck me, I never fucken knew.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
I’m, quite obviously, a genius.
Well yes.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
I’m, quite obviously, a genius.
Well yes.
every word we say becomes a swear word
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
George Carlin on the use of the word, FUCK
One of the most intelligent and eloquent ladies i’ve ever known seized hold of her husband’s hand during childbirth, in a grip he could not break, and said ‘you’re the cause of this!’, and proceeded to abuse him vociferously.
He later said that ‘in ten years in the RN, and five in the RAN, i have never heard anyone swear so long, so loud, and so creatively, for so long as she did’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/worried-about-your-foul-mouth-swearing-could-actually-be-good-for-you
George Carlin on the use of the word, FUCK
One of the most intelligent and eloquent ladies i’ve ever known seized hold of her husband’s hand during childbirth, in a grip he could not break, and said ‘you’re the cause of this!’, and proceeded to abuse him vociferously.
He later said that ‘in ten years in the RN, and five in the RAN, i have never heard anyone swear so long, so loud, and so creatively, for so long as she did’.
I hardly ever swear.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:George Carlin on the use of the word, FUCK
One of the most intelligent and eloquent ladies i’ve ever known seized hold of her husband’s hand during childbirth, in a grip he could not break, and said ‘you’re the cause of this!’, and proceeded to abuse him vociferously.
He later said that ‘in ten years in the RN, and five in the RAN, i have never heard anyone swear so long, so loud, and so creatively, for so long as she did’.
I hardly ever swear.
me neither.
Boris said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:One of the most intelligent and eloquent ladies i’ve ever known seized hold of her husband’s hand during childbirth, in a grip he could not break, and said ‘you’re the cause of this!’, and proceeded to abuse him vociferously.
He later said that ‘in ten years in the RN, and five in the RAN, i have never heard anyone swear so long, so loud, and so creatively, for so long as she did’.
I hardly ever swear.
me neither.
Well don’t feel too bad, you probably make up for it otherwise.
dv said:
Boris said:
Arts said:I hardly ever swear.
me neither.
Well don’t feel too bad, you probably make up for it otherwise.
I don’t feel bad. I keep most of my swearing for when I’m alone.
Boris said:
dv said:
Boris said:me neither.
Well don’t feel too bad, you probably make up for it otherwise.
I don’t feel bad. I keep most of my swearing for when I’m alone.
I spent a long time refraining from swearing as a parent of young children.. now they are teenagers I throw in the odd well placed swear word. Because it’s what n normal adults do, and I can’t pretend otherwise
Arts said:
Boris said:
dv said:Well don’t feel too bad, you probably make up for it otherwise.
I don’t feel bad. I keep most of my swearing for when I’m alone.
I spent a long time refraining from swearing as a parent of young children.. now they are teenagers I throw in the odd well placed swear word. Because it’s what n normal adults do, and I can’t pretend otherwise
I’m kind of a shitty parent so I hardly ever avoided swearing devant les enfants
dv said:
Arts said:
Boris said:I don’t feel bad. I keep most of my swearing for when I’m alone.
I spent a long time refraining from swearing as a parent of young children.. now they are teenagers I throw in the odd well placed swear word. Because it’s what n normal adults do, and I can’t pretend otherwise
I’m kind of a shitty parent so I hardly ever avoided swearing devant les enfants
different is not wrong.. always
Boris said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:One of the most intelligent and eloquent ladies i’ve ever known seized hold of her husband’s hand during childbirth, in a grip he could not break, and said ‘you’re the cause of this!’, and proceeded to abuse him vociferously.
He later said that ‘in ten years in the RN, and five in the RAN, i have never heard anyone swear so long, so loud, and so creatively, for so long as she did’.
I hardly ever swear.
me neither.
That’s part of what startled him. Neither did she.
Arts said:
dv said:
Arts said:I spent a long time refraining from swearing as a parent of young children.. now they are teenagers I throw in the odd well placed swear word. Because it’s what n normal adults do, and I can’t pretend otherwise
I’m kind of a shitty parent so I hardly ever avoided swearing devant les enfants
different is not wrong.. always
wookiemeister said:
Arts said:
dv said:I’m kind of a shitty parent so I hardly ever avoided swearing devant les enfants
different is not wrong.. always
Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
It didn’t work out that way. They still don’t swear as much as I’d like them to but I can only do so much.
wookiemeister said:
Arts said:
dv said:I’m kind of a shitty parent so I hardly ever avoided swearing devant les enfants
different is not wrong.. always
Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
Boris said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:One of the most intelligent and eloquent ladies i’ve ever known seized hold of her husband’s hand during childbirth, in a grip he could not break, and said ‘you’re the cause of this!’, and proceeded to abuse him vociferously.
He later said that ‘in ten years in the RN, and five in the RAN, i have never heard anyone swear so long, so loud, and so creatively, for so long as she did’.
I hardly ever swear.
me neither.
I grew up in a shearing shed, then moved onto a station, then a factory, a warehouse, and now building sites. None of which had ladies or children, so my language is “colourful”. A few days ago I was running late and about to leave the house with an armful of things and dropped several when I tried to open the front door. I proceeded to describe the door handles pedigree, then collected the stuff and opened the door to see several of the neighbours children standing wide eyed in the street.
I smiled and waved, said Gday, got in my car and drove off.
Not my best moment.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Arts said:different is not wrong.. always
Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
I’m not!
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
Oh, no.
I look back and see a great many times when i could have done a vastly better job of it.
But, there was the odd moment here and there when i think i got it close to ‘right’.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
Arts said:different is not wrong.. always
Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
It didn’t work out that way. They still don’t swear as much as I’d like them to but I can only do so much.
It’s one of Nature’s great mysteries.
Despite all of our efforts as parents, most of our kids turn out to be reasonable, capable, functional, and not-entirely-unhappy adults.
Boris said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
I’m not!
The chickens probably love you.
I remember telling Sarah in her early teens about how there were times and places where one shouldnt swear. Like Grandmas. I remember telling her that even though she should not say the f word at school, if she wrote a story where one the characters said it and it fitted in with the plot, she would not get in trouble. And she did. And nothing was said and she got a pretty good mark.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
Christ, junior sprog could put most wharfies to shame.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Arts said:different is not wrong.. always
Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Don’t swear infront of your children – it becomes habitual and every second word is “fuck”
I explained it to Spalding Jr. when he was quite young: I’ve heard all those words, and i know what they mean, and i don’t say that i don’t use them from time to time – but, i’m lucky enough to have sufficient education to not need to use them in everyday speech. And as you’re at least as bright as i am, and almost certainly more so, neither should you.
everyone’s a fucking great parent
I’m not even a parent, let alone a fucking great one, hey what but.
captain_spalding said:
It’s one of Nature’s great mysteries.Despite all of our efforts as parents, most of our kids turn out to be reasonable, capable, functional, and not-entirely-unhappy adults.
you clearly do not reside in my world… most of the things I deal are the exact opposite of that.. of course, their parents are also dysfunctional as both adults and parents.. and sometimes humans
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
It’s one of Nature’s great mysteries.Despite all of our efforts as parents, most of our kids turn out to be reasonable, capable, functional, and not-entirely-unhappy adults.
you clearly do not reside in my world… most of the things I deal are the exact opposite of that.. of course, their parents are also dysfunctional as both adults and parents.. and sometimes humans
I worked in child and youth mental health for about five years.
I typed up all of the psychiatrists’ case notes.
There were things in those notes that had me wanting to ring my parents and express my thanks to them for the childhood that i had.
We could probably have a wonderful time swapping horror stories.
I swear at myself quite a lot and it can become depressing, so often tell myself to stop swearing, please.
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.
There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
if you swear so much that it seriously messes up your kid… just put them in the basement and start again..
Arts said:
if you swear so much that it seriously messes up your kid… just put them in the basement and start again..
#lifehacks
Arts said:
Arts said:
if you swear so much that it seriously messes up your kid… just put them in the basement and start again..
#lifehacks
party_pants said:
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
Dutton
SCIENCE said:
Dutton
Too soon.
Give it a a few months.
Or, if he ever gets to be PM, a few hours.
Bubblecar said:
I swear at myself quite a lot and it can become depressing, so often tell myself to stop swearing, please.
I’ve been known to say “bother” “heck” “golly” and “gee wiz” on rare occasions.
party_pants said:
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
What about “jee willickers”. My grandmother used to say that.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
What about “jee willickers”. My grandmother used to say that.
MY mother would say, ‘pig, dog, horse, cow.’
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
What about “jee willickers”. My grandmother used to say that.
MY mother would say, ‘pig, dog, horse, cow.’
I only ever heard my mother swear once in her entire life. It was about my, at the time, sister-in-law.
“She called me a bag of shit”, my mum said.
They didn’t get on.
Arts said:
if you swear so much that it seriously messes up your kid… just put them in the basement and start again..
Oh. We watched Sweeney Todd last night. That comment is a bit, um, ……
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
What about “jee willickers”. My grandmother used to say that.
I know that one.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
I swear at myself quite a lot and it can become depressing, so often tell myself to stop swearing, please.
I’ve been known to say “bother” “heck” “golly” and “gee wiz” on rare occasions.
And all those occasions occur when you are on-forum.
:)
buffy said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
I learned to switch my swearing on and off as the situation demanded. My parents were members of a fairly straight and strict Christian church, at the same time I went to a state high school. I was a different person for each place.There is no single word left in the English language that has the power to shock or offend me these days. I have heard, and probably used, all of them at one stage.
What about “jee willickers”. My grandmother used to say that.
I know that one.
Sometimes I don’t feel up to a good swear so I just let out a “fuck me ragged and call me Raggedy Andy”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/07/trump-campaign-fake-georgia-electors-email
Fake Trump electors told to operate in ‘complete secrecy’, email reveals
Startling direction from Trump campaign to Georgia operatives contained in email that is part of US DoJ investigation, reports say
Donald Trump’s campaign directed Republican party operatives named as “alternate” electors in Georgia to operate with “complete secrecy and discretion” as the then president attempted to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden.
The startling direction was contained in an email which is part of a US justice department investigation, CNN and the Washington Post reported.
Trump lost to Biden by more than 7m ballots in the popular vote and by 302-236 in the electoral college – the same margin Trump called a landslide when it was in his favour over Hillary Clinton (who won the popular vote by nearly 3 million) in 2016.
Pursuing the lie that Biden’s win was the result of fraud, the Trump campaign sought to overturn its electoral college defeat in part by appointing its own electors in seven key states.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/07/trump-campaign-fake-georgia-electors-email
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/07/trump-campaign-fake-georgia-electors-emailFake Trump electors told to operate in ‘complete secrecy’, email reveals
Startling direction from Trump campaign to Georgia operatives contained in email that is part of US DoJ investigation, reports sayDonald Trump’s campaign directed Republican party operatives named as “alternate” electors in Georgia to operate with “complete secrecy and discretion” as the then president attempted to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden.
The startling direction was contained in an email which is part of a US justice department investigation, CNN and the Washington Post reported.
Trump lost to Biden by more than 7m ballots in the popular vote and by 302-236 in the electoral college – the same margin Trump called a landslide when it was in his favour over Hillary Clinton (who won the popular vote by nearly 3 million) in 2016.
Pursuing the lie that Biden’s win was the result of fraud, the Trump campaign sought to overturn its electoral college defeat in part by appointing its own electors in seven key states.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/07/trump-campaign-fake-georgia-electors-email
I wonder how many people would need to be involved to cover up voter fraud in the USA
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61742732
The US House of Representatives has voted through a series of measures regulating the sale of guns, but which are destined to fail in the Senate.
The new measures would bar sales of semiautomatic weapons to people under 21 and ban large-capacity magazines.
But Republican opposition in the Senate means the bill has little chance of entering law, despite a renewed focus on gun control in the wake of a series of mass shootings in the US.
ah well small steps
The shadow race is underway for the Republican presidential nomination
At least 15 potential 2024 candidates are traveling the country, huddling with donors or testing out messages — even if Trump runs
By Michael Scherer, Josh Dawsey and Isaac Stanley-Becker
June 11, 2022 at 10:17 a.m. EDT
One day last month, Mike Pence secretly huddled with some of Michigan’s top donors, including the kingmaking DeVos family, as he pitched his vision for the Republican Party before flying to Georgia to campaign against former president Donald Trump’s choice for governor.
Tom Cotton, the Republican senator from Arkansas, has developed a long PowerPoint presentation about how previous candidacies for president failed — and has shown it to donors and others during meetings on how he would run a successful campaign.
Advisers and allies of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, meanwhile, have discussed the margins for his 2022 reelection that would help put him in position to run for president in 2024 — aiming to beat the three percentage point margin that separated Trump and President Biden in the state in 2020.
With months to go before the midterm elections, the shadow campaign for the 2024 Republican nomination is well underway, with at least 15 potential candidates traveling the country, drawing up plans, huddling with donors or testing out messages at various levels of preparation. The quadrennial circus — described by more than 20 people with direct knowledge who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private machinations — has kicked into gear despite the public hints from Trump that he too plans to join the scrum “a third time.”
Interviews with over a dozen GOP operatives indicate he is not clearing the field, and a range of candidates plan to take him on from different angles.
“They’re all going to run against him,” said Tony Fabrizio, Trump’s longtime pollster. “If you have the former vice president running, what does that say for the loyalty argument?”
Some candidates and their teams have made clear that they plan to campaign on moving the party beyond Trump, who continues to dominate early polling, while the vast majority are simply plodding forward without addressing the Trump question publicly and in some cases continuing to praise him. They have been encouraged by growing concern among deep-pocketed Republican donors that another Trump run — especially an announcement before the midterms — would help Democrats.
At least six senators have made appearances in Iowa or New Hampshire already, joining former Trump advisers and appointees like Pence, former secretary of state Mike Pompeo and former ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley. Nine potential candidates, including former New Jersey governor Chris Christie and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, have spoken at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, laying out their vision for the future of the party, with Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), a prominent Trump critic with a national profile, scheduled to speak there on June 29. Pompeo in particular has been aggressive at working donors and operatives, asking many what he needs to do to win the nomination. Pompeo has told others he would run against Trump, though he has not made a final decision, people who have spoken to him say.
“They are working hard at it, some more than others,” said Ron Kaufman, a Republican National Committee member from Massachusetts, who had a set of potential candidates over to his house in March as part of a fundraiser for the New Hampshire state party. In addition to Cotton, Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), Tim Scott (R-S.C.) and Rick Scott (R-Fla.) spoke at the event.
“There are a lot of good people who are thinking about it and would like to be president,” said Kaufman, who has been involved in presidential campaigns since 1980. “Former presidents who can serve another term always have a special status at least for the first two years.”
Trump and his allies have begun preparing for an onslaught of competition, as several of Trump’s closest advisers continue to urge him not to announce a campaign before the midterm elections, since they fear it would help Democratic efforts to frame Senate and congressional campaigns around the divisive former president.
“I would be very surprised if they run,” Trump said in an interview earlier this year. But he has begun asking advisers how he should attack some of his former Cabinet members and allies, as well as candidates he previously endorsed. DeSantis poses particular problems, two advisers said, because he has gained such favor with Trump’s base.
Internal polling by Club for Growth and other private polls show Trump easily winning primaries at the moment in many early states, though such polls are historically a poor predictor of the outcome two years out.
“I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t run. All the polling shows he would be the front-runner by a country mile. The day that Trump makes it clear he’s going to run — it would be a mountain to climb to beat him,” said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a frequent confidant. “If it’s a policy election, he’s in good shape. It’s his primary to lose.”
Many potential candidates disagree, pointing to a long history of early front-runners for presidential nominations falling out of favor. Former Arkansas governor Bill Clinton was not a contender in some 1990 polling for the Democratic nomination. In June of 2006, Gallup found that 36 percent of Democratic-leaning voters supported then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for the 2008 nomination, followed by 16 percent for former vice president Al Gore. The eventual winner of both the nomination and the presidency, Barack Obama, did not yet rate.
The same pattern has haunted Republicans. In June of 2006, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani led the Republican field in Gallup with 29 percent support among Republican-leaning voters. He would finish the primaries two years later without winning a single delegate. Then-Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who had polled hear the top of the pack in 2015, dropped out two months after declaring his candidacy.
Former vice president Mike Pence gestures during his address at a luncheon, Thursday, May 26, 2022, in Bedford, N.H. (Charles Krupa/AP)
In Iowa, which is expected to host the first Republican caucus in 2024, political power brokers like Bob Vander Plaats, the president of the Family Leader, a Christian conservative group, has been telling people that even if Trump runs there is a good chance of a contested campaign.
“If you come at Trump from the left — say a Mitt Romney approach — I don’t think that would ever work,” he said. “If you came at Trump from the right — more like a Pence or a Pompeo or a Ted Cruz or a DeSantis — then I think people would be willing to listen.”
After visits by Pence and Pompeo in recent months, the Family Leader has invited Fox News Host Tucker Carlson to speak at its annual conference in July.
In addition to the growing candidate competition, Trump is facing declining influence among the Republican high-dollar donor community who supported his 2020 campaign, as many fear the risks of another Trump candidacy, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions. In conversations with RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel and others, some of the party’s top donors have suggested the party needs to move on, according to the people.
“Republicans think he is declining in relevance and they want someone else,” said one adviser close to major Republican donors. “But people feel like they have to appease him. We are in the appeasement phase.”
Some activists have complained privately that he won’t talk as much about inflation, gas prices and other topics that they view as the strongest lines of attack against Biden. Christie, who is eyeing a run, said people are increasingly talking about issues other than Trump’s preferred topic: his false claims of a stolen 2020 election.
“As I travel around the country campaigning for other Republican candidates, there is more and more doubt and disinterest regarding the president’s claims the 2020 election was stolen. They care about the issues affecting them,” Christie said in an interview.
Pence views South Carolina as key to his campaign, and has repeatedly traveled to meet with donors and operatives in the state. He also has met with some of the party’s richest donors and flew to Israel on megadonor Miriam Adelson’s jet. Allies are eyeing a spring 2023 announcement.
“At some point early next year, they’ll get away and try to discern where their calling is, and where they’re being led to serve,” said Marc Short, his longtime chief of staff, referring to Pence and his wife, Karen. “It won’t be based on any other one person.”
But some donors and even allies question whether Pence — who refused Trump’s demands to attempt to overturn the 2020 election — can gain traction against his former boss, and he has privately and publicly shown little desire to attack Trump.
DeSantis has been quietly building his fundraising networks while grabbing national headlines for his challenges to the Biden administration and for his focus on culture war issues. Without mentioning Trump, he has told donors, “No one’s nomination is inevitable,” according to a person to whom his comments have been relayed.
Beating Trump’s 2020 margin of three percentage points in Florida has become a key campaign goal, according to three people familiar with the conversations. They said DeSantis’s wife, Casey, a former television host and among a small circle of confidants, wants him to run for president. The couple believes that the governor’s skills are uniquely matched to the current political climate, and are wary of waiting six years, by which time the tides may have shifted. DeSantis has not indicated if he would defer a campaign if Trump runs.
A spokesman for DeSantis’s reelection campaign, David Abrams, said the governor is “focused on winning a resounding reelection this fall in Florida because that’s what’s best for the future of Florida.” He called suggestions of other motives “nonsense.”
Behind the scenes, DeSantis and his team think they’ve overtaken Trump with the party’s major donors, according to an ally in touch with the governor. A former aide said DeSantis has spoken about wanting to expand his dominance in that realm, including by getting a contribution from Peter Thiel, the billionaire investor who backed Trump in 2016 and has put nearly $30 million behind a pair of Republican Senate candidates this year. The two have spoken, according to two people familiar with their interactions.
DeSantis has been picking up support in far-flung places, besting Trump in a recent straw poll at a conservative gathering in Colorado.
“I think DeSantis is the only one besides Trump who has a chance in hell. And I would bet a lot of money on that,” said Darren Blanton, a Dallas-based venture capitalist who served as an adviser to Trump’s transition. “At first I thought DeSantis had no chance because he seemed more like an introvert and strategist, but not a charismatic celebrity, and I pretty much told him that to his face. But he has really impressed me by how much better he has gotten.”
Blanton said potential candidates have to show they can turn blue-collar Democrats into Republicans. “And I just don’t think a pasty, old-school, dignified Republican is ever going to do that again,” he said.
Haley and Pompeo are both doing one-on-one calls with major donors, plugging fundraising committees aimed at boosting candidates in the midterms.
Haley in the past month has promoted an upcoming retreat for her group, Stand for America PAC. Among the sums she has brought in for endorsed candidates includes nearly $800,000 for Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin and nearly $240,000 for Herschel Walker, the Republican candidate for Senate in Georgia, according to a person familiar with her political operation.
She also went to Mar-a-Lago recently to see Trump for a brief meeting, people familiar with the matter said, and has said she will not run against him.
Pompeo — who prominently campaigned against Trump’s endorsed Pennsylvania Senate candidate, Mehmet Oz, who ended up winning — has used his advocacy for various congressional candidates this cycle to pitch himself as a 2024 contender, telling donors that the “America First” agenda is best embodied by a candidate with a more broadly appealing profile. He has met with dozens of donors and begun hiring a team of advisers.
In the last year, Pompeo reached out to Charlie Kirk, the leader of the influential conservative nonprofit Turning Point USA and an ally of Donald Trump Jr., according to a person familiar with their communication. While Turning Point USA does not endorse candidates, Kirk also controls an affiliated group, Turning Point Action, as well as the recently launched Turning Point PAC, which already has a multimillion dollar war chest.
“I went to an event for Pompeo in L.A., an event in New York and have also met with him,” said Dan Eberhart, a GOP donor. “But I’ve been invited to 15 or 20 events he’s doing. He is barnstorming the country. He is very active.”
A person familiar with Pompeo’s political operation said he’s focused “almost exclusively” on helping candidates in races this November but has been engaged in conversations about the prospect of running for president — a decision he’ll make with his family at a later time.
The political team of Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) has been seeking to expand his donor base, reaching out to major contributors far from South Carolina with what one recipient described as “highly sophisticated and personalized communications.” He recently spoke at the Reagan library and has appeared in both New Hampshire and Iowa since 2020.
Sen. Rick Scott, who is running Republican Senate midterm efforts, has been building his own fundraising lists by promoting an extensive set of national policy plans, which have attracted criticism from both Republicans and Democrats. He revised the plan this week, dropping a proposal to require “all Americans” to pay some income tax.
Similarly, Cotton, who has been to Iowa and spoke at the Reagan library, has been revising his slide presentation, which at once point featured five policy areas that explain why he’s electable. “He is diligently putting together a foundation to run,” said Eberhart, the donor who has met with him. “He is very dialed in on New Hampshire.”
Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a former homeland security undersecretary, has been among the most diligent potential candidates, planning a trip to New Hampshire, appearing repeatedly on Sunday news talk shows and recently founding a nonprofit, America Strong and Free, to pay staff and fund his policy efforts. He said last month at a Wall Street Journal event that the GOP needs to de-link from Trump and “stay away from the culture of personality.”
“There are going to be very few people standing on the stage that have the breadth of national security experience that he has,” said one Arkansas Republican operative who has tracked Hutchinson’s activities. “He is a party guy, he spoke at the convention in 2016. He is also the first to say it is time to move on.”
Hogan and Christie are also aiming to test the party’s appetite for moving on from Trump, as they have both become frequent critics of his behavior. A Post-ABC News poll released in May found that 6 in 10 Republican and Republican-leaning voters said party leaders should follow Trump’s leadership, compared with 34 percent who wanted to take the party in a different direction.
Bobbie Kilberg, a Trump critic and prominent Virginia donor who has met with multiple would-be candidates, said she was holding her powder dry for a decision.
“It’s going to be an intense 2023. Let’s get through 2022, have a good Christmas and then we can regroup,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/11/republican-president-2024-trump/?
so do we reckon this will be his finest work his john howard moment his defining act what he will be known and thanked and venerated for in future millennia
Biden welcomes breakthrough in gun reform deal reached by bipartisan group of US senators
With 10 Republicans signalling support, that would be sufficient to overcome the Senate’s “filibuster” rule, which requires that 60 of the 100 senators agree to advance most legislation. Republicans opposed to the plan are expected to mount procedural hurdles in a bid to block it.
Mr Hogg added that, even more is needed, including requiring background checks for every gun purchase nationwide, saying the bill “should be the beginning and not the end of Congress’ work”.
communist police state arrests well-regulated militia preparing to defend the security of their own free state
The truck was stopped near where the North Idaho Pride Alliance was holding the Coeur d’Alene Pride in the Park event.
The group’s manifesto calls for the formation of an all-white state in the United States, the Southern Poverty Law Center said.
SCIENCE said:
so do we reckon this will be his finest work his john howard moment his defining act what he will be known and thanked and venerated for in future millenniaBiden welcomes breakthrough in gun reform deal reached by bipartisan group of US senators
- support for state-based “red flag” laws that keep guns from potentially dangerous people
- tougher criminal background checks for firearms buyers under 21 years of age
- a crackdown on “straw purchases” by people buying firearms for others who would not pass a background check.
With 10 Republicans signalling support, that would be sufficient to overcome the Senate’s “filibuster” rule, which requires that 60 of the 100 senators agree to advance most legislation. Republicans opposed to the plan are expected to mount procedural hurdles in a bid to block it.
Mr Hogg added that, even more is needed, including requiring background checks for every gun purchase nationwide, saying the bill “should be the beginning and not the end of Congress’ work”.
Baby steps.
US life expectancy has been stuck around 79 for a decade, from 2012 to 2022.
Naturally Covid had some impact but it was basically already flatlining before 2020.
During the same period, it increased in Australia from 82.2 to 83.8, in Japan from 83.2 to 84.9, in France from 81.7 to 83.0.
dv said:
US life expectancy has been stuck around 79 for a decade, from 2012 to 2022.
Naturally Covid had some impact but it was basically already flatlining before 2020.
During the same period, it increased in Australia from 82.2 to 83.8, in Japan from 83.2 to 84.9, in France from 81.7 to 83.0.
The reason I looked this up was:
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https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance-ric-edelman-retirement-change-future-2017-4
A top financial adviser says the notion of retirement is gone — here’s what he thinks people will do insteadRic Edelman is the founder and executive chairman of Edelman Financial Services, one of the nation’s leading financial advising firms, and author of the new book “The Truth About Your Future: The Money Guide You Need Now, Later, and Much Later.” Ric says the notion of retirement is gone. Following is a transcript of the video.
Life expectancy is most likely going to be extended dramatically, meaning you may very well live to 110 or 120. The notion of retiring at 65 and living 120 there’s no way you’re going to be able to afford a life of leisure for 50 or 60 years.
dv said:
dv said:
US life expectancy has been stuck around 79 for a decade, from 2012 to 2022.
Naturally Covid had some impact but it was basically already flatlining before 2020.
During the same period, it increased in Australia from 82.2 to 83.8, in Japan from 83.2 to 84.9, in France from 81.7 to 83.0.
The reason I looked this up was:
——
https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance-ric-edelman-retirement-change-future-2017-4A top financial adviser says the notion of retirement is gone — here’s what he thinks people will do insteadRic Edelman is the founder and executive chairman of Edelman Financial Services, one of the nation’s leading financial advising firms, and author of the new book “The Truth About Your Future: The Money Guide You Need Now, Later, and Much Later.” Ric says the notion of retirement is gone. Following is a transcript of the video.
Life expectancy is most likely going to be extended dramatically, meaning you may very well live to 110 or 120. The notion of retiring at 65 and living 120 there’s no way you’re going to be able to afford a life of leisure for 50 or 60 years.
So he’s wrong, at least for the USA.
sibeen said:
dv said:
dv said:
US life expectancy has been stuck around 79 for a decade, from 2012 to 2022.
Naturally Covid had some impact but it was basically already flatlining before 2020.
During the same period, it increased in Australia from 82.2 to 83.8, in Japan from 83.2 to 84.9, in France from 81.7 to 83.0.
The reason I looked this up was:
——
https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance-ric-edelman-retirement-change-future-2017-4A top financial adviser says the notion of retirement is gone — here’s what he thinks people will do insteadRic Edelman is the founder and executive chairman of Edelman Financial Services, one of the nation’s leading financial advising firms, and author of the new book “The Truth About Your Future: The Money Guide You Need Now, Later, and Much Later.” Ric says the notion of retirement is gone. Following is a transcript of the video.
Life expectancy is most likely going to be extended dramatically, meaning you may very well live to 110 or 120. The notion of retiring at 65 and living 120 there’s no way you’re going to be able to afford a life of leisure for 50 or 60 years.
So he’s wrong, at least for the USA.
I think he’s probably wrong even outside the USA but he’s like wrong wrongissimmo for the USA.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:So he’s wrong, at least for the USA.
I think he’s probably wrong even outside the USA but he’s like wrong wrongissimmo for the USA.
don’t worry we’ll see some sweet declines soon
Opinion The Supreme Court rulings represent the tyranny of the minority
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By Max Boot
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June 25, 2022 at 2:23 p.m. EDT
Everyone knows that the Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. That’s why they built so many checks and balances into the Constitution. What’s less well known is that they were also afraid of the tyranny of the minority. That’s why they scrapped the Articles of Confederation, which required agreement from 9 of 13 states to pass any laws, and enacted a Constitution with much stronger executive authority.
In Federalist No. 22, Alexander Hamilton warned that giving small states like Rhode Island or Delaware “equal weight in the scale of power” with large states like “Massachusetts, or Connecticut, or New York” violated the precepts of “justice” and “common-sense.” “The larger States would after a while revolt from the idea of receiving the law from the smaller,” he predicted, arguing that such a system contradicts “the fundamental maxim of republican government, which requires that the sense of the majority should prevail.”
Hamilton’s nightmare has become the reality of 21st-century America. We are living under minoritarian tyranny, with smaller states imposing their views on the larger through their disproportionate sway in the Senate and the electoral college — and therefore on the Supreme Court. To take but one example: Twenty-one states with fewer total people than California have 42 Senate seats. This undemocratic, unjust system has produced the new Supreme Court rulings on gun control and abortion.
These are issues on which public opinion is lopsidedly in favor on what, for want of a better word, we might call the “liberal” side. Following the Uvalde, Tex., shooting, a recent poll showed that 65 percent of Americans want stricter gun controls; only 28 percent are opposed. Public opinion is just as clear on abortion: Fifty-four percent of Americans want to preserve Roe v. Wade and only 28 percent want to overturn it. Fifty-eight percent want abortion to be legal in most or all cases.
Yet the Supreme Court’s hard-right majority just overruled a New York law that made it difficult to get a permit to carry a gun, while upholding a Mississippi law that banned all abortions after 15 weeks. This represents a dramatic expansion of gun rights and an equally dramatic curtailment of abortion rights.
Now, the Supreme Court has no obligation to follow the popular will. It is charged with safeguarding the Constitution. But it is hard for any disinterested observer to have any faith in what the right-wing justices are doing. They are not acting very conservatively in overturning an abortion ruling (Roe v. Wade) that is 49 years old and a New York state gun-control statute that is 109 years old. In both cases, the justices rely on dubious readings of legal history that have been challenged by many scholars to overturn what had been settled law.
Conservatives can plausibly argue that liberal justices invented a constitutional right to abortion, but how is that different from what conservative justices have done in inventing an individual right to carry guns that is also nowhere to be found in the Constitution? The Supreme Court did not recognize an individual right to bear arms until 2008 — 217 years after the Second Amendment was enacted expressly to protect “well-regulated” state militia. The Second Amendment hasn’t changed over the centuries, but the composition of the court has.
The majority conveniently favors state’s rights on abortion but not on guns. It is obvious that the conservative justices (who are presumably antiabortion rights and pro-gun rights) are simply enacting their personal preferences, just as liberal justices (who are presumably pro-choice and pro-gun control) do.
So, if the Supreme Court is going to be a forum for legislating, shouldn’t it respect the views of two-thirds of the country? But our perverse political system has allowed a militant, right-wing minority to hijack the law. As an Economist correspondent points out, “5 of the 6 conservative Supreme Court justices were appointed by a Republican Senate majority that won fewer votes than the Democrats” and “3 of the 6 were nominated by a president who also won a minority of the popular vote.”
The situation is actually even more inequitable: In all likelihood, Roe would not have been overturned if then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) had not broken with precedent by refusing to grant President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland, a vote in 2016. McConnell brazenly held the seat open for President Donald Trump to fill. Now Trump’s appointee, Neil M. Gorsuch, is part of the five-justice majority that has overturned Roe. (Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joined with the other five justices to uphold the Mississippi abortion law but not to overrule Roe.)
Public faith in the Supreme Court is down to a historic low of 25 percent, and there’s a good reason why it keeps eroding. We are experiencing what the Founders feared: a crisis of governmental legitimacy brought about by minoritarian tyranny. And it could soon get a whole lot worse. In his concurring opinion in the abortion case, Justice Clarence Thomas called on the court to overturn popular precedents upholding a right to contraception, same-sex relationships and marriage equality. So much for Hamilton’s hope that “the sense of the majority should prevail.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/25/supreme-court-rulings-abortion-roe-guns-represent-minority-tyranny/?
speaking of religion today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOjB_fpktAA
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOjB_fpktAA
What happened to the complaints a couple of women made about him regarding what happened at Epstein’s holiday island when they were underage?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOjB_fpktAA
What happened to the complaints a couple of women made about him regarding what happened at Epstein’s holiday island when they were underage?
What happened to the 20-odd sexual assault complaints that have been made against him since the 1990s…
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/mitt-romney-republican-denial-biden-election/661468/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/mitt-romney-republican-denial-biden-election/661468/?
Ronald Reagan shook us from our malaise.
Yeah, that’s right, I can well remember the malaise covering the whole USA at the time.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/mitt-romney-republican-denial-biden-election/661468/?
Ronald Reagan shook us from our malaise.
Yeah, that’s right, I can well remember the malaise covering the whole USA at the time.
You’re thinking of mayonaise
https://au.news.yahoo.com/jan-6-hearing-liz-cheney-trump-76-year-old-man-not-impressionable-young-child-180728321.html
The House select committee’s series of public hearings resumed Tuesday with panel Vice Chair Liz Cheney telling those watching that the idea that then-President Donald Trump was “incapable of telling right from wrong” while perpetuating the election falsehoods that fueled the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol is “nonsense.”
“President Trump is a 76-year-old man,” the Republican congresswoman from Wyoming said in her opening remarks. “He is not an impressionable child. Just like everyone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions and his own choices.”
Cheney said that the committee has clearly established that Trump knew he lost the 2020 presidential election but continued to spread his false claims of fraud.
dv said:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/jan-6-hearing-liz-cheney-trump-76-year-old-man-not-impressionable-young-child-180728321.htmlThe House select committee’s series of public hearings resumed Tuesday with panel Vice Chair Liz Cheney telling those watching that the idea that then-President Donald Trump was “incapable of telling right from wrong” while perpetuating the election falsehoods that fueled the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol is “nonsense.”
“President Trump is a 76-year-old man,” the Republican congresswoman from Wyoming said in her opening remarks. “He is not an impressionable child. Just like everyone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions and his own choices.”
Cheney said that the committee has clearly established that Trump knew he lost the 2020 presidential election but continued to spread his false claims of fraud.
watched an MSNBC youtube with Trump unable to promise a peaceful transition of power, over and over, since his debate with Hillary way back then.
It’s like he had it planned before he ever became President.
Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and 6, 2021 — after oversight officials asked for them, watchdog says
The US Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and 6, 2021, shortly after they were requested by oversight officials investigating the agency’s response to the US Capitol riot, according to a letter given to the House select committee investigating the insurrection and obtained by CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/14/politics/secret-service-text-messages-erased/index.html
Kaching!
dv said:
Kaching!
Who is so crass as to put an exclamation mark after “Rest in Peace”…
buffy said:
dv said:
Kaching!
Who is so crass as to put an exclamation mark after “Rest in Peace”…
To the tune of Shaft.
“Who is so crass as to put an exclamation mark after Rest in Peace? Trump. You’re damn right.”
buffy said:
dv said:
Kaching!
Who is so crass as to put an exclamation mark after “Rest in Peace”…
‘…of which there are many…’
‘Of whom there are many’, Donald, ‘of whom’.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Kaching!
Who is so crass as to put an exclamation mark after “Rest in Peace”…
‘…of which there are many…’
‘Of whom there are many’, Donald, ‘of whom’.
nah we think that word is fitting and suits exactly how that arsehole thinks* of them
*: if we may even use this word
Secret service…keepin’ it secret.
)A Washington, DC, police officer has corroborated to the House select committee investigating January 6, 2021, details regarding a heated exchange former President Donald Trump had with his Secret Service detail when he was told he could not go to the US Capitol after his rally, a source familiar with the matter tells CNN.
The officer with the Metropolitan Police Department was in the motorcade with the Secret Service for Trump on January 6 and recounted what was seen to committee investigators, according to the source.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/14/politics/trump-secret-service-january-6-metropolitan-police-officer/index.html
sarahs mum said:
Secret service…keepin’ it secret.
sssh.
allegedly
https://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
James “Jim” Bopp has terrible ethics for a lawyer.
He would fail ethics class for sure.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
James “Jim” Bopp has terrible ethics for a lawyer.
He would fail ethics class for sure.
Lawyers who fail at ethics perhaps should not be lawyers.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
James “Jim” Bopp has terrible ethics for a lawyer.
He would fail ethics class for sure.
Lawyers who fail at ethics perhaps should not be lawyers.
Same for Politicians, their job is to make law, so failing ethics, perhaps they should find other work.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:James “Jim” Bopp has terrible ethics for a lawyer.
He would fail ethics class for sure.
Lawyers who fail at ethics perhaps should not be lawyers.
Same for Politicians, their job is to make law, so failing ethics, perhaps they should find other work.
Most jobs require training and qualifications, so why not politicians, their job is to make law.
It take years to practice law.
With a complex system, training is a reasonable expectation.
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
No regard for a 10 year old body who is still developing, she could have had serious complication and could die.
No regard for the rights of the child.
No regard for the thoughts and wishes of the child.
No regard for the emotions of the child.
No regard for the experience and capability of a 10 year old to bring up a child.
No empathy for the other person.
This is a mind of a dictator who wants to force decisions onto other people who don’t share his messed up view.
This is someone who clearly does not know what he is doing, flying blind in the face of ethics creates erroneous law, the outcome of which is to abuse peoples rights.
The majority of American politicians are not fit for office, most would fail ethics class.
The state of US politics in 2022 is human rights abuse, mass shootings, no willingness to change.
Like i said yesterday, we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
The shitshow in the US has only just got started. In a year or two, we’ll look back at mid-2022 and wonder if there wasn’t some way that the crack in the dam couldn’t have been plugged.
Runs away.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312
Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
Got to show that hatred of humans somehow I guess.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312
Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
maybe they shot his arms off
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
Presumably, after the first five or six, they thought ‘well, he’s certainly dead. But let’s not waste a good training opportunity. Get the probational officers in here, and tell ‘em to bring their pistols’.
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312
Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
maybe they shot his arms off
To disarm him.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
Got to show that hatred of humans somehow I guess.
It’s not hatred it’s the American belief in volume fire. Don’t aim, just blast away.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
Got to show that hatred of humans somehow I guess.
It’s not hatred it’s the American belief in volume fire. Don’t aim, just blast away.
If they’re not aiming, but managed to hit him 46 times, just how much lead did they send down-range?
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Got to show that hatred of humans somehow I guess.
It’s not hatred it’s the American belief in volume fire. Don’t aim, just blast away.
If they’re not aiming, but managed to hit him 46 times, just how much lead did they send down-range?
Bonnie & Clyde’s death car:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:It’s not hatred it’s the American belief in volume fire. Don’t aim, just blast away.
If they’re not aiming, but managed to hit him 46 times, just how much lead did they send down-range?
Bonnie & Clyde’s death car:
It is because they are such bad shots .
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/us-police-shot-unarmed-black-man-46-times/101244312Even if they thought he was armed…46 shots?
Yeah. Conducting auditions for the next Rambo movie?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It is why I don’t eat Macdonalds or drink coke.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It is why I don’t eat Macdonalds or drink coke.
Well, that’s a good idea, roughie, but be aware, puberty will catch up with you eventually, no matter what.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It is why I don’t eat Macdonalds or drink coke.
It is also probably what went wrong with Mrs Trump’s only son.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It is why I don’t eat Macdonalds or drink coke.
Well, that’s a good idea, roughie, but be aware, puberty will catch up with you eventually, no matter what.
:) been and gone.
roughbarked said:
It is also probably what went wrong with Mrs Trump’s only son.
Hey, that’s worth considering…
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
allegedlyhttps://www.indy100.com/news/jim-bopp-abortion-rights-rape
A conservative lawyer and former Indiana deputy Attorney General said he believed a 10-year-old girl who sought an abortion after being raped would have benefitted from having a baby. James “Jim” Bopp was interviewed by POLITICO following the confirmed story of a girl who was raped and impregnated and forced to seek an abortion in Indiana.
The child, originally from Ohio, was six weeks and three days pregnant which made her ineligible for an abortion in her home state. Crossing the border into Indiana, the young girl was able to obtain one but model legislation under consideration would have prevented her from doing so.
Bopp, 74, who helped authored the model legislation on behalf of the National Right to Life organization told POLITICO he believes the girl should have given birth. “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said.
Bopp’s comments sparked debate online from people who believe banning abortions in all cases other than when the mother’s life is in danger is unfair.
Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Understood the reason… for what? the excuse for the rapist? is he right in the head?
Oh wait….
It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Still, 10 is very young, even for a well fed westerner.
buffy said:
It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
Gawd ‘elp us…
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
Gawd ‘elp us…
It’s worrying the scientists a bit.
https://www.nature.com/articles/550S10a
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
I started at 11. It was the athletic girls especially the gymnasts that started later.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Still, 10 is very young, even for a well fed westerner.
I read of an Indian woman who had a daughter when she was 9; that daughter also had a daughter at 9, so the original woman was a grandmother at 18.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
Gawd ‘elp us…
It’s worrying the scientists a bit.
https://www.nature.com/articles/550S10a
Is there a case to be made for drug therapy with puberty blockers to become a common thing?
party_pants said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Gawd ‘elp us…
It’s worrying the scientists a bit.
https://www.nature.com/articles/550S10a
Is there a case to be made for drug therapy with puberty blockers to become a common thing?
olympic gymnasts?
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:It’s worrying the scientists a bit.
https://www.nature.com/articles/550S10a
Is there a case to be made for drug therapy with puberty blockers to become a common thing?
olympic gymnasts?
No, I mean just common people. A child’s parents might decide it is a good idea for her to start taking puberty blockers at say age 9 or 10 through to when she turns 13 or 14.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
The youngest mother ever was 5 years old, and that happened 90 years ago. There have always been outliers.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Is there a case to be made for drug therapy with puberty blockers to become a common thing?
olympic gymnasts?
No, I mean just common people. A child’s parents might decide it is a good idea for her to start taking puberty blockers at say age 9 or 10 through to when she turns 13 or 14.
We don’t really know how historically aberrant this early puberty might be. Hunter gatherers had very good diets so poor nutrition since settled agriculture might be the anomoly.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Is there a case to be made for drug therapy with puberty blockers to become a common thing?
olympic gymnasts?
No, I mean just common people. A child’s parents might decide it is a good idea for her to start taking puberty blockers at say age 9 or 10 through to when she turns 13 or 14.
The use of puberty blockers (which have various side effects) is increasingly criticised in medical circles. There’s no need to use them to treat non-existent conditions.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:olympic gymnasts?
No, I mean just common people. A child’s parents might decide it is a good idea for her to start taking puberty blockers at say age 9 or 10 through to when she turns 13 or 14.
The use of puberty blockers (which have various side effects) is increasingly criticised in medical circles. There’s no need to use them to treat non-existent conditions.
the pill is probably safer.
dv said:
In case you’re wondering what this is about…
After a year of negotiation, Democrat senator Joe Manchin has indicated that he just isn’t going to support Biden’s emissions reduction or windfall tax increases.
He’s previously blocked their voting rights and abortion protection legislation and it’s basically looking as though no progress will be made on the Democrats’ agenda unless they get at least a 52-48 majority in the Senate after the midterms.
btm said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Still, 10 is very young, even for a well fed westerner.
I read of an Indian woman who had a daughter when she was 9; that daughter also had a daughter at 9, so the original woman was a grandmother at 18.
!!!
dv said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Speaking as one who, many years back, mistook a lass of fourteen for being significantly older (don’t worry, she was only provided with chaperoned transport to her home, and that was most definitely that), you’re not telling me something i don’t know.
But ten or younger?!
Yes. Between 8 and 10. Mind you, in the 1970s when I was in my teens, it was usually age 12-13 (in Form 1/year 7, with only one or two girls starting their periods while still in primary school) and some girls didn’t get there until 16 years.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/puberty-for-girls
The youngest mother ever was 5 years old, and that happened 90 years ago. There have always been outliers.
Heck!
The actual decline in average age of menarche in the USA is 3 to 6 months. Significant but minor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15214063/
Michael V said:
btm said:
party_pants said:Still, 10 is very young, even for a well fed westerner.
I read of an Indian woman who had a daughter when she was 9; that daughter also had a daughter at 9, so the original woman was a grandmother at 18.
!!!
Just did a little more research; the mother was Nigerian, not Indian. Her name was Mum-Zi, and she was a member of the chief’s harem. She was 8 years and 4 months old when she gave birth to Zi in December 1884. Zi was 8 years and 8 months old when she had her daughter (whose name I’ve been unable to discover) so Mum-Zi was 17 when she became a grandmother.
Michael V said:
btm said:
party_pants said:Still, 10 is very young, even for a well fed westerner.
I read of an Indian woman who had a daughter when she was 9; that daughter also had a daughter at 9, so the original woman was a grandmother at 18.
!!!
Just did a little more research; the mother was Nigerian, not Indian. Her name was Mum-Zi, and she was a member of the chief’s harem. She was 8 years and 4 months old when she gave birth to Zi in December 1884. Zi was 8 years and 8 months old when she had her daughter (whose name I’ve been unable to discover) so Mum-Zi was 17 when she became a grandmother.
Mum-Zi is the girl on the right; Zi is the one on the left. I can’t find the identity of the men.
dv said:
The actual decline in average age of menarche in the USA is 3 to 6 months. Significant but minor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15214063/
That’s quite an old paper now, nearly 20 years ago.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:It was all her fault. She was just begging for it.
Like all of those schoolkids, sitting in their classrooms, were just begging for someone to come in and blow their heads off.
And just what are they putting in the water, or the hamburgers, or whatever, that brings on puberty in American kids before the age of ten?
It’s tied in with bodyweight, at least for girls. People in Western countries are better fed than 50 years ago, so female puberty has been happening earlier for some time.
Still, 10 is very young, even for a well fed westerner.
indeed.
buffy said:
dv said:
The actual decline in average age of menarche in the USA is 3 to 6 months. Significant but minor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15214063/
That’s quite an old paper now, nearly 20 years ago.
So I looked for some newer stuff. This one has a large n and covers a number of countries. It suggests the trend continues.
“Variations in reproductive events across life: a pooled analysis of data from 505 147 women across 10 countries”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7571491/
But this one says the trend has stopped.
“Timing of menarche in Norwegian girls: associations with body mass index, waist circumference and skinfold thickness”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5461627/
I just knew someone would have done a study, it was just a matter of finding it.
“The evolution of the age at menarche from pre-historical to modern times”
https://sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1016/j.jpag.2015.12.002
ABSTRACT: Menarche denotes the onset of the female reproductive capacity. The age that
menarche occurs is mostly attributed to the interaction of genetics and various
environmental factors. Herein, the author describes the evolution of the age at
menarche from prehistoric to the present times. Data from skeletal remains suggest
that in the Paleolithic female menarche occurred at an age between 7 and 13 years,
early sexual maturation being a trade-off for reduced life expectancy. In the classical,
as well as in the medieval years, the age at menarche was generally reported to be at
about 14 years, with a range from 12-15 years. A significant retardation of the age at
menarche occurred in the beginning of the modern times, soon after the industrial
revolution, due to the deterioration of the living conditions, most studies reporting
menarche to occur at 15-16 years. In the 20th century, especially in the second half of
it, in the industrialized countries, the age at menarche decreased significantly, as a
result of the improvement of the socioeconomic conditions, occurring between 12-13
years. In the present times, in the developed countries, this trend seems to slow down
or level-off
buffy said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The actual decline in average age of menarche in the USA is 3 to 6 months. Significant but minor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15214063/
That’s quite an old paper now, nearly 20 years ago.
So I looked for some newer stuff. This one has a large n and covers a number of countries. It suggests the trend continues.
“Variations in reproductive events across life: a pooled analysis of data from 505 147 women across 10 countries”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7571491/
But this one says the trend has stopped.
“Timing of menarche in Norwegian girls: associations with body mass index, waist circumference and skinfold thickness”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5461627/
Maybe Norwegian girls are somehow different?
roughbarked said:
Maybe Norwegian girls are somehow different?
They don’t have chairs, and they work in the morning.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Maybe Norwegian girls are somehow different?
They don’t have chairs, and they work in the morning.
LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Maybe Norwegian girls are somehow different?
They don’t have chairs, and they work in the morning.
LOL
:) he’s obviously in a cheeky mood. :)
Arizona communities would ‘collapse’ without cheap prison labor, Corrections director says
Arizona Department of Corrections Director David Shinn said Arizona communities would “collapse” without cheap prison labor, during testimony before the Joint Legislative Budget Committee Thursday.
Shinn made the statement while answering questions about a Request For Proposal for a contract to run the Florence West prison.
Sen. David Gowan asked Shinn about the nature of the work the prisoners do at the Florence West prison. In Arizona, all people in state prisons are forced to work 40 hours a week with exceptions for prisoners with health care conditions and other conflicting programming schedules. Some prisoners earn just 10 cents an hour for their work.
“These are low-level worker inmates that work in the communities around the county itself, I would imagine?” Gowan asked.
“Yes. The department does more than just incarcerate folks,” Shinn replied. “There are services that this department provides to city, county, local jurisdictions, that simply can’t be quantified at a rate that most jurisdictions could ever afford. If you were to remove these folks from that equation, things would collapse in many of your counties, for your constituents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/now/arizona-communities-collapse-without-cheap-213654360.html
Was slavery actually abolished in the US or did it just enter a new phase?
dv said:
Arizona communities would ‘collapse’ without cheap prison labor, Corrections director saysArizona Department of Corrections Director David Shinn said Arizona communities would “collapse” without cheap prison labor, during testimony before the Joint Legislative Budget Committee Thursday.
Shinn made the statement while answering questions about a Request For Proposal for a contract to run the Florence West prison.
Sen. David Gowan asked Shinn about the nature of the work the prisoners do at the Florence West prison. In Arizona, all people in state prisons are forced to work 40 hours a week with exceptions for prisoners with health care conditions and other conflicting programming schedules. Some prisoners earn just 10 cents an hour for their work.
“These are low-level worker inmates that work in the communities around the county itself, I would imagine?” Gowan asked.
“Yes. The department does more than just incarcerate folks,” Shinn replied. “There are services that this department provides to city, county, local jurisdictions, that simply can’t be quantified at a rate that most jurisdictions could ever afford. If you were to remove these folks from that equation, things would collapse in many of your counties, for your constituents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/now/arizona-communities-collapse-without-cheap-213654360.html
Was slavery actually abolished in the US or did it just enter a new phase?
I think it’s an unwritten law that once a felon is incarcerated their right to be called folk is revoked and only reinvoked when the folk are released.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-16/house-committee-subpoenas-secret-service/101244778
buffy said:
dv said:
The actual decline in average age of menarche in the USA is 3 to 6 months. Significant but minor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15214063/
That’s quite an old paper now, nearly 20 years ago.
Fair dos but this paper is from 2020, and indicates there has been a 0.2 year decrease in median from 1995 to 2017, and no change in mean, so I think my central point stands.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr146-508.pdf
dv said:
Arizona communities would ‘collapse’ without cheap prison labor, Corrections director saysArizona Department of Corrections Director David Shinn said Arizona communities would “collapse” without cheap prison labor, during testimony before the Joint Legislative Budget Committee Thursday.
Shinn made the statement while answering questions about a Request For Proposal for a contract to run the Florence West prison.
Sen. David Gowan asked Shinn about the nature of the work the prisoners do at the Florence West prison. In Arizona, all people in state prisons are forced to work 40 hours a week with exceptions for prisoners with health care conditions and other conflicting programming schedules. Some prisoners earn just 10 cents an hour for their work.
“These are low-level worker inmates that work in the communities around the county itself, I would imagine?” Gowan asked.
“Yes. The department does more than just incarcerate folks,” Shinn replied. “There are services that this department provides to city, county, local jurisdictions, that simply can’t be quantified at a rate that most jurisdictions could ever afford. If you were to remove these folks from that equation, things would collapse in many of your counties, for your constituents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/now/arizona-communities-collapse-without-cheap-213654360.html
Was slavery actually abolished in the US or did it just enter a new phase?
b
dv said:
Arizona communities would ‘collapse’ without cheap prison labor, Corrections director saysArizona Department of Corrections Director David Shinn said Arizona communities would “collapse” without cheap prison labor, during testimony before the Joint Legislative Budget Committee Thursday.
Shinn made the statement while answering questions about a Request For Proposal for a contract to run the Florence West prison.
Sen. David Gowan asked Shinn about the nature of the work the prisoners do at the Florence West prison. In Arizona, all people in state prisons are forced to work 40 hours a week with exceptions for prisoners with health care conditions and other conflicting programming schedules. Some prisoners earn just 10 cents an hour for their work.
“These are low-level worker inmates that work in the communities around the county itself, I would imagine?” Gowan asked.
“Yes. The department does more than just incarcerate folks,” Shinn replied. “There are services that this department provides to city, county, local jurisdictions, that simply can’t be quantified at a rate that most jurisdictions could ever afford. If you were to remove these folks from that equation, things would collapse in many of your counties, for your constituents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/now/arizona-communities-collapse-without-cheap-213654360.html
Was slavery actually abolished in the US or did it just enter a new phase?
13th Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So no, it has not been abolished completely, it is still permitted as a punishment for crime. This amendment has a long and dark history, and was used/abused in Southern states from the end of the Civil War to the beginning of WW2. All sorts of crimes were punishable by “hard labor” which is what the term used to mean slavery. Some crimes included vagrancy, and interracial sexual intercourse.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Arizona communities would ‘collapse’ without cheap prison labor, Corrections director saysArizona Department of Corrections Director David Shinn said Arizona communities would “collapse” without cheap prison labor, during testimony before the Joint Legislative Budget Committee Thursday.
Shinn made the statement while answering questions about a Request For Proposal for a contract to run the Florence West prison.
Sen. David Gowan asked Shinn about the nature of the work the prisoners do at the Florence West prison. In Arizona, all people in state prisons are forced to work 40 hours a week with exceptions for prisoners with health care conditions and other conflicting programming schedules. Some prisoners earn just 10 cents an hour for their work.
“These are low-level worker inmates that work in the communities around the county itself, I would imagine?” Gowan asked.
“Yes. The department does more than just incarcerate folks,” Shinn replied. “There are services that this department provides to city, county, local jurisdictions, that simply can’t be quantified at a rate that most jurisdictions could ever afford. If you were to remove these folks from that equation, things would collapse in many of your counties, for your constituents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/now/arizona-communities-collapse-without-cheap-213654360.html
Was slavery actually abolished in the US or did it just enter a new phase?
13th Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So no, it has not been abolished completely, it is still permitted as a punishment for crime. This amendment has a long and dark history, and was used/abused in Southern states from the end of the Civil War to the beginning of WW2. All sorts of crimes were punishable by “hard labor” which is what the term used to mean slavery. Some crimes included vagrancy, and interracial sexual intercourse.
“…. which is what the term was used to mean: slavery”
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The actual decline in average age of menarche in the USA is 3 to 6 months. Significant but minor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15214063/
That’s quite an old paper now, nearly 20 years ago.
Fair dos but this paper is from 2020, and indicates there has been a 0.2 year decrease in median from 1995 to 2017, and no change in mean, so I think my central point stands.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr146-508.pdf
Yes, I found and linked a couple of later papers. It seems the trend was for it to be later after the industrial revolution and then headed back to earlier as nutrition picked up and has most recently flattened out the trend. I’ll bump my post.
buffy said:
I just knew someone would have done a study, it was just a matter of finding it.“The evolution of the age at menarche from pre-historical to modern times”
https://sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1016/j.jpag.2015.12.002
ABSTRACT: Menarche denotes the onset of the female reproductive capacity. The age that
menarche occurs is mostly attributed to the interaction of genetics and various
environmental factors. Herein, the author describes the evolution of the age at
menarche from prehistoric to the present times. Data from skeletal remains suggest
that in the Paleolithic female menarche occurred at an age between 7 and 13 years,
early sexual maturation being a trade-off for reduced life expectancy. In the classical,
as well as in the medieval years, the age at menarche was generally reported to be at
about 14 years, with a range from 12-15 years. A significant retardation of the age at
menarche occurred in the beginning of the modern times, soon after the industrial
revolution, due to the deterioration of the living conditions, most studies reporting
menarche to occur at 15-16 years. In the 20th century, especially in the second half of
it, in the industrialized countries, the age at menarche decreased significantly, as a
result of the improvement of the socioeconomic conditions, occurring between 12-13
years. In the present times, in the developed countries, this trend seems to slow down
or level-off
Bump
There’s been some speculation that DJT will announce his presidential campaign soon, which is about 2.4 years before the election, on the theory that he can’t be prosecuted while he’s a presidential candidate. If that’s actually the case then it means the US has given up on the rule of law.
buffy said:
buffy said:
I just knew someone would have done a study, it was just a matter of finding it.“The evolution of the age at menarche from pre-historical to modern times”
https://sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1016/j.jpag.2015.12.002
ABSTRACT: Menarche denotes the onset of the female reproductive capacity. The age that
menarche occurs is mostly attributed to the interaction of genetics and various
environmental factors. Herein, the author describes the evolution of the age at
menarche from prehistoric to the present times. Data from skeletal remains suggest
that in the Paleolithic female menarche occurred at an age between 7 and 13 years,
early sexual maturation being a trade-off for reduced life expectancy. In the classical,
as well as in the medieval years, the age at menarche was generally reported to be at
about 14 years, with a range from 12-15 years. A significant retardation of the age at
menarche occurred in the beginning of the modern times, soon after the industrial
revolution, due to the deterioration of the living conditions, most studies reporting
menarche to occur at 15-16 years. In the 20th century, especially in the second half of
it, in the industrialized countries, the age at menarche decreased significantly, as a
result of the improvement of the socioeconomic conditions, occurring between 12-13
years. In the present times, in the developed countries, this trend seems to slow down
or level-off
Bump
Cheers
dv said:
There’s been some speculation that DJT will announce his presidential campaign soon, which is about 2.4 years before the election, on the theory that he can’t be prosecuted while he’s a presidential candidate. If that’s actually the case then it means the US has given up on the rule of law.
If that’s the case, it’s insane.
‘By the way, i’d like to be President next time around. In the meantime, i’m off to shoot up the local primary school, but don’t bother telling the cops because i can’t be prosecuted.’‘
ABC News:
‘Targa race green lit to return, organisers say, but fans worried event will be diluted after fatalities
By Adam Langenberg
The Targa Tasmania tarmac rally will go ahead in 2023 despite the deaths of four competitors in two years — but race fans are already worried speeds will be limited, with a former champion admitting he’s been “worried” for some drivers in “powerful cars”.’
Screw ‘em.
If they’re stupid enough to do it, i’m stupid enough to let them.
Just don’t grizzle ‘oh, why didn’t someone stop them from getting into this ridiculously over-powered car and driving in a manner which any sane person can see is entirely unsuited to that sort of thing?’.
Main reason: no-one cares.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Targa race green lit to return, organisers say, but fans worried event will be diluted after fatalities
By Adam Langenberg
The Targa Tasmania tarmac rally will go ahead in 2023 despite the deaths of four competitors in two years — but race fans are already worried speeds will be limited, with a former champion admitting he’s been “worried” for some drivers in “powerful cars”.’Screw ‘em.
If they’re stupid enough to do it, i’m stupid enough to let them.
Just don’t grizzle ‘oh, why didn’t someone stop them from getting into this ridiculously over-powered car and driving in a manner which any sane person can see is entirely unsuited to that sort of thing?’.
Main reason: no-one cares.
poop, should have been in chat. sorry.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Arizona communities would ‘collapse’ without cheap prison labor, Corrections director says
Arizona Department of Corrections Director David Shinn said Arizona communities would “collapse” without cheap prison labor, during testimony before the Joint Legislative Budget Committee Thursday.
Shinn made the statement while answering questions about a Request For Proposal for a contract to run the Florence West prison.
Sen. David Gowan asked Shinn about the nature of the work the prisoners do at the Florence West prison. In Arizona, all people in state prisons are forced to work 40 hours a week with exceptions for prisoners with health care conditions and other conflicting programming schedules. Some prisoners earn just 10 cents an hour for their work.
“These are low-level worker inmates that work in the communities around the county itself, I would imagine?” Gowan asked.
“Yes. The department does more than just incarcerate folks,” Shinn replied. “There are services that this department provides to city, county, local jurisdictions, that simply can’t be quantified at a rate that most jurisdictions could ever afford. If you were to remove these folks from that equation, things would collapse in many of your counties, for your constituents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/now/arizona-communities-collapse-without-cheap-213654360.html
Was slavery actually abolished in the US or did it just enter a new phase?
b
13th Amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So no, it has not been abolished completely, it is still permitted as a punishment for crime. This amendment has a long and dark history, and was used/abused in Southern states from the end of the Civil War to the beginning of WW2. All sorts of crimes were punishable by “hard labor” which is what the term used to mean slavery. Some crimes included vagrancy, and interracial sexual intercourse.
“…. which is what the term was used to mean: slavery”
fuck CHINA that human-rights-violating country of 10 million square kilometres with expansive territorial claims in the north Pacific Ocean and which incarcerates 1 million ethnics for the purposes of forced labour oh wait we mean
ah yeah but them’s Our Rules that’s the important part that’s why they are the ones everyone must follow
William J. Olson, a right-wing lawyer, sent a memo in December 2020 to President Donald J. Trump on how to seek to overturn the election.
Read William J. Olson’s Memo to Trump…
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/olson-memo-trump-election/e59dca011b5db8c5/full.pdf
fsm said:
William J. Olson, a right-wing lawyer, sent a memo in December 2020 to President Donald J. Trump on how to seek to overturn the election.Read William J. Olson’s Memo to Trump…
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/olson-memo-trump-election/e59dca011b5db8c5/full.pdf
Olson claim that there’s corruption in the government at the highest levels. Well, no argument there.
A lot of the rest of it look like applying the Ben Tre doctrine to the US Constitution: they’d have to destroy it in order to save it.
Opinion I’m no longer doubtful: If Garland has a case, Trump must be prosecuted
Image without a caption
By Ruth Marcus
Deputy editorial page editor
July 15, 2022 at 3:33 p.m. EDT
Anyone who professes absolute certainty that Donald Trump should be indicted on a charge of his efforts to prevent the peaceful transition of power hasn’t thought seriously enough about the potential consequences of such an unprecedented prosecution.
Anyone who thinks it should be an easy call for the Justice Department to turn a blind eye to Trump’s conduct hasn’t been paying attention.
Not so long ago, I was squeamish — nervous about the consequences, immediate and long-term, of having any administration prosecute its predecessor and chief political rival.
Prosecuting Trump threatened to further divide an already polarized nation; a conviction, even if secured, would be deemed illegitimate by a substantial portion of the population. If acquitted, Trump could be emboldened and empowered, a martyr to a seeming Democratic vendetta.
And whatever the outcome, the fateful step of bringing charges against a former president based on his conduct in office could unleash a dangerous cycle of tit-for-tat political prosecutions and revenge prosecutions. This is the stuff of banana republics, not the American system of justice.
I was also doubtful that Attorney General Merrick Garland would ultimately determine that the building blocks of a successful criminal case had been assembled — or, if they were, that bringing the case was in the interest of justice.
Prosecutors, after all, must be confident of their ability to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Applying the precise elements of the criminal law to the conduct of a president who would argue that he was acting in the exercise of his official duties would introduce complicated questions of constitutional law. Garland, by nature cautious and methodical, would proceed only if the evidence were too overwhelming to ignore.
We don’t know yet what he will do; there are too many critical witnesses left to be heard from, and the evidence we have heard has not been tested by experienced prosecutors — no less subjected to cross-examination.
But my squeamishness and doubts have yielded — if not to the absolute conviction that Trump should be prosecuted, then to the increasing belief that charges are warranted, and that failing to bring them would be more damaging to the nation than turning a blind eye to his effort to subvert democracy and prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
What changed my mind? The evidence. The facts amassed by the House select committee are damning, morally and legally. To understand their weight and import, think back to the second impeachment trial and wonder: What if we knew then what we know now?
We know now that Trump could have harbored no doubt that he lost the election, and resoundingly. This unwelcome fact was driven home to him by his attorney general, senior Justice Department officials, White House lawyers and his own campaign team.
We know now how extensively Trump pressured state officials to support his scheme to overturn the election. It wasn’t just the infamous call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” the necessary number of phantom votes but also his pressure on Arizona House Speaker Russell “Rusty” Bowers to support a slate of phony electors.
We know now that Trump’s exhortation to come to Washington on Jan. 6, 2021 — “Be there, will be wild” — was merely the desperate culmination of his frustrated attempts to forestall the vote-counting by other means.
We know now that Trump was secretly plotting all along to urge his supporters to march on the Capitol that day — that this was no off-the-cuff, ad-libbed exhortation but a premeditated, closely held plan.
We know now that officials across the administration, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, feared violence erupting on Jan. 6. “Things might get real, real bad on Jan. 6,” White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson said Meadows warned.
We know now that Trump wanted to join the mob in marching on the Capitol — that this was his plan all along; that his lawyers believed this would be “legally a terrible idea for us,” according to Hutchinson; and that he was enraged when he was prevented from following through.
We know now that Trump was fully aware that some of the supporters he urged to go to the Capitol and “fight like hell” were heavily armed.
We know now that when the rioters breached the Capitol, Trump was unperturbed. “He doesn’t want to do anything, Pat,” Meadows told White House counsel Pat Cipollone, according to Hutchinson. We know now that the claims of Trump’s impeachment lawyers that he, “like the rest of the country, was horrified at the violence,” were false.
We know now that Trump was similarly unfazed by the chants to “hang Mike Pence” — in fact, that he thought Pence deserved that fate for resisting his pressure not to certify the electoral college vote. We know now that the assertion by Trump impeachment lawyer Michael van der Veen that “at no point was the president informed the vice president was in any danger” was also untrue.
What criminal statutes does all this conduct violate? Try 18 U.S.C. Section 1512©, which applies to anyone who “corruptly … obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so.” Try 18 U.S.C. Section 371 which prohibits conspiracy “to defraud the United States”; such defrauding includes efforts to obstruct “the lawful functions of any department of Government.”
Is it in the interests of justice — and is it in the broader interests of the nation — to charge Trump with a crime? The Justice Department’s “Principles of Federal Prosecution” offer some guidance here. Two sentences in particular stand out:
“If a person … is reasonably believed to have engaged in criminal activity at an earlier time, this should be considered in determining whether to commence or recommend federal prosecution.” Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III identified 10 instances in which Trump might have obstructed justice in connection with the Russia probe; Mueller didn’t proceed because Trump, as a sitting president, was shielded from indictment under Justice Department practice.
“The fact that the accused occupied a position of trust or responsibility which he/she violated in committing the offense, might weigh in favor of prosecution.” There is no greater position of trust or responsibility than the presidency, and no one who so flagrantly and repeatedly abused that trust more than Trump.
If and when Garland confronts the agonizing choice of whether to prosecute a former president, that position — and that history — should be top of mind.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/15/prosecute-trump-garland-case/?
What’s the bet that Trump gets off because of mental illness?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Opinion I’m no longer doubtful: If Garland has a case, Trump must be prosecuted
Image without a caption
By Ruth Marcus
Deputy editorial page editorJuly 15, 2022 at 3:33 p.m. EDT
Anyone who professes absolute certainty that Donald Trump should be indicted on a charge of his efforts to prevent the peaceful transition of power hasn’t thought seriously enough about the potential consequences of such an unprecedented prosecution.
Anyone who thinks it should be an easy call for the Justice Department to turn a blind eye to Trump’s conduct hasn’t been paying attention.
Not so long ago, I was squeamish — nervous about the consequences, immediate and long-term, of having any administration prosecute its predecessor and chief political rival.
Prosecuting Trump threatened to further divide an already polarized nation; a conviction, even if secured, would be deemed illegitimate by a substantial portion of the population. If acquitted, Trump could be emboldened and empowered, a martyr to a seeming Democratic vendetta.
And whatever the outcome, the fateful step of bringing charges against a former president based on his conduct in office could unleash a dangerous cycle of tit-for-tat political prosecutions and revenge prosecutions. This is the stuff of banana republics, not the American system of justice.
I was also doubtful that Attorney General Merrick Garland would ultimately determine that the building blocks of a successful criminal case had been assembled — or, if they were, that bringing the case was in the interest of justice.
Prosecutors, after all, must be confident of their ability to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Applying the precise elements of the criminal law to the conduct of a president who would argue that he was acting in the exercise of his official duties would introduce complicated questions of constitutional law. Garland, by nature cautious and methodical, would proceed only if the evidence were too overwhelming to ignore.
We don’t know yet what he will do; there are too many critical witnesses left to be heard from, and the evidence we have heard has not been tested by experienced prosecutors — no less subjected to cross-examination.
But my squeamishness and doubts have yielded — if not to the absolute conviction that Trump should be prosecuted, then to the increasing belief that charges are warranted, and that failing to bring them would be more damaging to the nation than turning a blind eye to his effort to subvert democracy and prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
What changed my mind? The evidence. The facts amassed by the House select committee are damning, morally and legally. To understand their weight and import, think back to the second impeachment trial and wonder: What if we knew then what we know now?
We know now that Trump could have harbored no doubt that he lost the election, and resoundingly. This unwelcome fact was driven home to him by his attorney general, senior Justice Department officials, White House lawyers and his own campaign team.
We know now how extensively Trump pressured state officials to support his scheme to overturn the election. It wasn’t just the infamous call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” the necessary number of phantom votes but also his pressure on Arizona House Speaker Russell “Rusty” Bowers to support a slate of phony electors.
We know now that Trump’s exhortation to come to Washington on Jan. 6, 2021 — “Be there, will be wild” — was merely the desperate culmination of his frustrated attempts to forestall the vote-counting by other means.
We know now that Trump was secretly plotting all along to urge his supporters to march on the Capitol that day — that this was no off-the-cuff, ad-libbed exhortation but a premeditated, closely held plan.
We know now that officials across the administration, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, feared violence erupting on Jan. 6. “Things might get real, real bad on Jan. 6,” White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson said Meadows warned.
We know now that Trump wanted to join the mob in marching on the Capitol — that this was his plan all along; that his lawyers believed this would be “legally a terrible idea for us,” according to Hutchinson; and that he was enraged when he was prevented from following through.
We know now that Trump was fully aware that some of the supporters he urged to go to the Capitol and “fight like hell” were heavily armed.
We know now that when the rioters breached the Capitol, Trump was unperturbed. “He doesn’t want to do anything, Pat,” Meadows told White House counsel Pat Cipollone, according to Hutchinson. We know now that the claims of Trump’s impeachment lawyers that he, “like the rest of the country, was horrified at the violence,” were false.
We know now that Trump was similarly unfazed by the chants to “hang Mike Pence” — in fact, that he thought Pence deserved that fate for resisting his pressure not to certify the electoral college vote. We know now that the assertion by Trump impeachment lawyer Michael van der Veen that “at no point was the president informed the vice president was in any danger” was also untrue.
What criminal statutes does all this conduct violate? Try 18 U.S.C. Section 1512©, which applies to anyone who “corruptly … obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so.” Try 18 U.S.C. Section 371 which prohibits conspiracy “to defraud the United States”; such defrauding includes efforts to obstruct “the lawful functions of any department of Government.”
Is it in the interests of justice — and is it in the broader interests of the nation — to charge Trump with a crime? The Justice Department’s “Principles of Federal Prosecution” offer some guidance here. Two sentences in particular stand out:
“If a person … is reasonably believed to have engaged in criminal activity at an earlier time, this should be considered in determining whether to commence or recommend federal prosecution.” Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III identified 10 instances in which Trump might have obstructed justice in connection with the Russia probe; Mueller didn’t proceed because Trump, as a sitting president, was shielded from indictment under Justice Department practice.
“The fact that the accused occupied a position of trust or responsibility which he/she violated in committing the offense, might weigh in favor of prosecution.” There is no greater position of trust or responsibility than the presidency, and no one who so flagrantly and repeatedly abused that trust more than Trump.
If and when Garland confronts the agonizing choice of whether to prosecute a former president, that position — and that history — should be top of mind.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/15/prosecute-trump-garland-case/?
Kind of weird headline. Implies there is a doubt.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What’s the bet that Trump gets off because of mental illness?
He’s a morbidly obese man pushing 80, who lives on kfc and thinks exercise drains your batteries. He may not live long enough to face justice.
one thing that keeps on getting to me is that the people who keep supporting Trump whatever… give no shits for their democracy.
sarahs mum said:
one thing that keeps on getting to me is that the people who keep supporting Trump whatever… give no shits for their democracy.
The ‘republic versus democracy’ argument.
https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/report/america-republic-not-democracy
Surely the preservation of democracy by prosecuting politicians who actively break the law to subvert democracy is a worthy enough reason of itself. It does not need to be vengeful or political, nor does it set a precedent for prosecutions of every former leader from now on. If the person concedes defeat and goes quietly then the conventions of democracy are upheld. The system has worked for a couple of centuries, just this one aberration does not mean the whole system should be thrown out.
https://youtu.be/-6yjwmwUaYA
Revisionism and the 2nd Amendment.
For over 200 years, the Supreme Court and other High Courts ruled that the 2nd Amendment had a very narrow meaning limiting the Federal government from applying restrictions that would inhibited State militias.
dv said:
What wint and many others need to understand is that people are sent to prison as punishment not for punishment.
Over.
Good News, There Are Now Enough Good Guys With Guns To Stop The Bad Guys Before They Get To Four ¡
WTF is going to be the next potus?
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
puts hand up! I’ll give it a go. can’t be too hard as i ain’t senile like the last two.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
puts hand up! I’ll give it a go. can’t be too hard as i ain’t senile like the last two.
But are you a very stable genius though?
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
puts hand up! I’ll give it a go. can’t be too hard as i ain’t senile like the last two.
I’ll do it, but I expect the beer to be free.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
puts hand up! I’ll give it a go. can’t be too hard as i ain’t senile like the last two.
But are you a very stable genius though?
Can you say “Person, woman, man, camera, TV,”?
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:puts hand up! I’ll give it a go. can’t be too hard as i ain’t senile like the last two.
But are you a very stable genius though?
Can you say “Person, woman, man, camera, TV,”?
Umm…covfefe?
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:puts hand up! I’ll give it a go. can’t be too hard as i ain’t senile like the last two.
But are you a very stable genius though?
Can you say “Person, woman, man, camera, TV,”?
I can say it with my eyes closed.
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
In 2024 or 2028?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
In 2024 or 2028?
2023
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
I keep hoping that he’ll be in prison before then.
A huge prison.
A beautiful prison.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:My money would be on Harris.
No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
I keep hoping that he’ll be in prison before then.
A huge prison.
A beautiful prison.
That’s the one hope that’s left to the world.
Is there courage enough in Washington to make it happen?
Personally, i doubt it.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:My money would be on Harris.
No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
I keep hoping that he’ll be in prison before then.
A huge prison.
A beautiful prison.
I’m hoping for dead, by his own hand.
call me a heartless cunt
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
I keep hoping that he’ll be in prison before then.
A huge prison.
A beautiful prison.
I’m hoping for dead, by his own hand.
call me a heartless cunt
I heard his ex died by “falling down stairs”. Maybe that will be arranged for him too.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
Rudi Giuliani, whose licence to practice law was suspended some 18 months ago, faces permanent disbarment after ethical misconduct charges in the District of Columbia. The charges relate to “bringing frivolous proceedings without a basis in law or fact” and “conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/10/trump-rudy-giuliani-ethical-misconduct-lawsuit
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
I think Biden will resign early next year for health reasons and Harris will become President as a matter of course.
Kingy said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:I keep hoping that he’ll be in prison before then.
A huge prison.
A beautiful prison.
I’m hoping for dead, by his own hand.
call me a heartless cunt
I heard his ex died by “falling down stairs”. Maybe that will be arranged for him too.
I was thinking Epstein… when he gets locked up and realises there is probably no way he’ll ever see the outside again.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
party_pants said:I’m hoping for dead, by his own hand.
call me a heartless cunt
I heard his ex died by “falling down stairs”. Maybe that will be arranged for him too.
I was thinking Epstein… when he gets locked up and realises there is probably no way he’ll ever see the outside again.
I don’t think trump has the guts to kill himself.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:My money would be on Harris.
Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
I think Biden will resign early next year for health reasons and Harris will become President as a matter of course.
Big call. You’d get good odds for a Harris presidency if you were a betting man too.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:My money would be on Harris.
No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
I keep hoping that he’ll be in prison before then.
A huge prison.
A beautiful prison.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:My money would be on Harris.
Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
I think Biden will resign early next year for health reasons and Harris will become President as a matter of course.
That’s a possibility but I don’t think she can win an election and not because of her gender or race.
However Mrs Obama on the other hand could well do it.
On the Republican side I don’t mind the morman chap.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
I think Biden will resign early next year for health reasons and Harris will become President as a matter of course.
Big call. You’d get good odds for a Harris presidency if you were a betting man too.
Not that great. About 3.50 is the payout if Biden doesn’t finish his first term (which includes resignation and death or incapacitation)
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:Don’t think so.
They need to get the clown in gaol first or become a victim of gun violence..
Then we can have an interesting normal election
I think Biden will resign early next year for health reasons and Harris will become President as a matter of course.
That’s a possibility but I don’t think she can win an election and not because of her gender or race.
However Mrs Obama on the other hand could well do it.
On the Republican side I don’t mind the morman chap.
Sure. Seems like it’s Trump’s party for now but it certainly would be refreshing to have a Republican candidate who was just a normal kind of conservative.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/16/tucker-carlson-family-leadership-summit-president
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
Me too. But I suspect I have a fair dose of wishful thinking in that.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
WTF is going to be the next potus?
My money would be on Harris.
No.
There is no way in the world that the majority of the part of the American electorate that can be bothered to get off their arses and vote in any of the myriad ways they have available to them is anywhere near grown up enough to consider electing to the Presidency a candidate who is not white, female, and aged less than 70.
Unless they can find a candidate who’s a cross between Superman and Abraham Lincoln, the Democrats will lose, and Trump will be back, and we’ll look back at his first Presidency as being comparatively sane and sensible.
Don’t discount the effect of killing off Roe vs Wade. You might find that mobilizes a lot of women to actually go out and vote.
Steve Bannon’s trial for criminal contempt begins this week.
Opinion A clever plan to foil a 2024 coup attempt quietly advances
By Greg Sargent
Columnist
July 18, 2022 at 11:34 a.m. EDT
It may seem improbable, given adamant Republican opposition to legislation protecting voting rights, but a bipartisan group of senators is close to agreement on a separate, crucial way to protect our democracy: reforming the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
That arcane law governs how Congress counts presidential electors. If senators resolve last-minute differences, a stolen 2024 election might become substantially less likely.
A serious threat to our democracy is this scenario: A state legislature appoints a slate of presidential electors in defiance of the state’s popular vote, and one chamber of Congress, controlled by the same party, counts those electors. Under current law, those electors would stand, potentially tipping a close election.
But now, these senators appear to be homing in on solutions to that problem. If they succeed, it would constitute a substantial accomplishment, thanks in part to the House Jan. 6committee’s focus on President Donald Trump’s attempt to overthrow U.S. democracy.
This week, the senators are expected to reach a deal on ECA reform. Trump revealed the ECA’s vulnerabilities by pressuring his vice president and congressional Republicans to invalidate electors appointed for Joe Biden in several states, as part of a plot to get them to appoint new electors for Trump.
The belief that this was actually possible — itself a legacy of the ECA’s flaws — helped inspire the violence of Jan. 6, 2021.
And so, ECA reform’s highest-profile elements would address those vulnerabilities. This would include clarifying the vice president’s role as purely ceremonial, expressly stating that the position has no power to invalidate electors or delay their count.
It would also include raising the threshold for Congress to object to a slate of electors. Right now, only one member from both the House and Senate can force a vote on whether to cast out electors. The reform would require one-fifth of each chamber to force that vote.
But in a twist, the relentless attention on that aspect of Trump’s scheme — pressuring his vice president and congressional Republicans — has overshadowed another essential element of ECA reform: how to address corruption of the state-level process for appointing electors.
First let’s note that all states appoint presidential electors in keeping with the popular vote outcome in them, a process that states previously established with legislation.
But imagine if a state legislature, with the backing of the governor, claims widespread-but-fictional election fraud as a pretext to violate that previously established process — and to appoint electors for the candidate who lost the popular vote.
If one chamber of Congress — say, the House of Representatives controlled by the same party those state actors and that candidate belong to — counts those electors, they’d become valid.
That’s even if the Senate objects to those electors. Under the current ECA, both chambers must object to electors to invalidate them. If one objects and the other counts them, they stand.
In short, all it takes is one state’s governor, in complicity with the House, to overturn a state’s outcome, and with it a very close national election. That’s the nightmare that experts such as Matthew Seligman and Richard L. Hasen urgently warn against.
Now, however, solutions to this threat are also being debated as part of ECA reform. According to two sources familiar with the talks, here are some of these solutions, though they’re in flux or could drop out entirely:
It’s not at all certain these ideas will end up in the final product. A spokesperson for Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a leader of the bipartisan group, said these contain “inaccuracies,” and warned that talks are fluid.
But they would be critical, especially with so many candidates running for state-level positions across the country on an implicit (or even explicit) willingness to use their offices to reverse hated election losses.
“These particular reforms are essential,” J. Michael Luttig, a retired conservative judge widely respected by Republicans, told me. “They would all but ensure that the country will never endure another Jan. 6.”
All it would take is 10 GOP senators to agree — and no Democrats defecting over the absence of voting rights legislation — and it can be so.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/18/trump-2024-coup-electoral-count-act-reform/?
But unforch that Americans learn about history from superhero shows but I suppose it is better than nothing
CNN)The Atlanta-area prosecutors scrutinizing former President Donald Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia said Tuesday that all 16 of the “fake electors” who participated in a plan to subvert the Electoral College are now targets of an ongoing criminal investigation.
Court documents filed late Tuesday reveal Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has informed all 16 of the individuals who signed an “unofficial electoral certificate” that was ultimately sent to the National Archives in late 2020 they may be indicted in the probe.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/19/politics/georgia-grand-jury-trump-electors/index.html
a country truly dedicated to law and order would disqualify these felons from election
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar among 35 protesters arrested at Washington pro-abortion rally
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/electoral-count-act-reform-january-6-response/index.html
CNN)A bipartisan group of senators reached a deal to make it harder to overturn a certified presidential election, marking the most significant response by Congress to former President Donald Trump’s relentless pressure campaign to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
The proposal still needs to be approved by both chambers and will need 60 votes in the Senate to break any filibuster attempt, meaning at least 10 Republicans would be needed to support any legislation. Announcement of the plan kicks off what is expected to be a challenging, months-long process to get the deal passed into law before the end of the year.
The deal is the culmination of months of negotiation led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, along with an additional six Democrats and eight Republicans. The proposal unveiled Wednesday is split up into two bills.
One of the bills is focused on modernizing and overhauling the Electoral Count Act, an 1887 law that Trump had sought to exploit and create confusion over how Congress counts Electoral College votes from each state. As part of that proposal, senators are attempting to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results.
The proposal also includes key provisions intended to promote an orderly transition of presidential power by outlining guidelines for when eligible candidates can receive federal resources for a transition into office
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/trump-steal-2020-election-jan-6-committee/index.html
Trump’s latest effort to impugn the integrity of the electoral system came just last week, in a call he placed to the Republican speaker of Wisconsin’s state assembly to pressure him to overturn President Joe Biden’s win in the critical swing state.
“I explained it’s not allowed under the Constitution. He has a different opinion,” Speaker Robin Vos told CNN affiliate WISN.
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Rofl… he needs a hobby
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/electoral-count-act-reform-january-6-response/index.htmlCNN)A bipartisan group of senators reached a deal to make it harder to overturn a certified presidential election, marking the most significant response by Congress to former President Donald Trump’s relentless pressure campaign to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
The proposal still needs to be approved by both chambers and will need 60 votes in the Senate to break any filibuster attempt, meaning at least 10 Republicans would be needed to support any legislation. Announcement of the plan kicks off what is expected to be a challenging, months-long process to get the deal passed into law before the end of the year.
The deal is the culmination of months of negotiation led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, along with an additional six Democrats and eight Republicans. The proposal unveiled Wednesday is split up into two bills.
One of the bills is focused on modernizing and overhauling the Electoral Count Act, an 1887 law that Trump had sought to exploit and create confusion over how Congress counts Electoral College votes from each state. As part of that proposal, senators are attempting to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results.
The proposal also includes key provisions intended to promote an orderly transition of presidential power by outlining guidelines for when eligible candidates can receive federal resources for a transition into office
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/trump-steal-2020-election-jan-6-committee/index.html
Trump’s latest effort to impugn the integrity of the electoral system came just last week, in a call he placed to the Republican speaker of Wisconsin’s state assembly to pressure him to overturn President Joe Biden’s win in the critical swing state.
“I explained it’s not allowed under the Constitution. He has a different opinion,” Speaker Robin Vos told CNN affiliate WISN.
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Rofl… he needs a hobby
so Joe Manchin is not a complete cunt.
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/electoral-count-act-reform-january-6-response/index.htmlCNN)A bipartisan group of senators reached a deal to make it harder to overturn a certified presidential election, marking the most significant response by Congress to former President Donald Trump’s relentless pressure campaign to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
The proposal still needs to be approved by both chambers and will need 60 votes in the Senate to break any filibuster attempt, meaning at least 10 Republicans would be needed to support any legislation. Announcement of the plan kicks off what is expected to be a challenging, months-long process to get the deal passed into law before the end of the year.
The deal is the culmination of months of negotiation led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, along with an additional six Democrats and eight Republicans. The proposal unveiled Wednesday is split up into two bills.
One of the bills is focused on modernizing and overhauling the Electoral Count Act, an 1887 law that Trump had sought to exploit and create confusion over how Congress counts Electoral College votes from each state. As part of that proposal, senators are attempting to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results.
The proposal also includes key provisions intended to promote an orderly transition of presidential power by outlining guidelines for when eligible candidates can receive federal resources for a transition into office
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/trump-steal-2020-election-jan-6-committee/index.html
Trump’s latest effort to impugn the integrity of the electoral system came just last week, in a call he placed to the Republican speaker of Wisconsin’s state assembly to pressure him to overturn President Joe Biden’s win in the critical swing state.
“I explained it’s not allowed under the Constitution. He has a different opinion,” Speaker Robin Vos told CNN affiliate WISN.
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Rofl… he needs a hobby
so Joe Manchin is not a complete cunt.
What new devilry is this?
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/electoral-count-act-reform-january-6-response/index.htmlCNN)A bipartisan group of senators reached a deal to make it harder to overturn a certified presidential election, marking the most significant response by Congress to former President Donald Trump’s relentless pressure campaign to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
The proposal still needs to be approved by both chambers and will need 60 votes in the Senate to break any filibuster attempt, meaning at least 10 Republicans would be needed to support any legislation. Announcement of the plan kicks off what is expected to be a challenging, months-long process to get the deal passed into law before the end of the year.
The deal is the culmination of months of negotiation led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, along with an additional six Democrats and eight Republicans. The proposal unveiled Wednesday is split up into two bills.
One of the bills is focused on modernizing and overhauling the Electoral Count Act, an 1887 law that Trump had sought to exploit and create confusion over how Congress counts Electoral College votes from each state. As part of that proposal, senators are attempting to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results.
The proposal also includes key provisions intended to promote an orderly transition of presidential power by outlining guidelines for when eligible candidates can receive federal resources for a transition into office
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/trump-steal-2020-election-jan-6-committee/index.html
Trump’s latest effort to impugn the integrity of the electoral system came just last week, in a call he placed to the Republican speaker of Wisconsin’s state assembly to pressure him to overturn President Joe Biden’s win in the critical swing state.
“I explained it’s not allowed under the Constitution. He has a different opinion,” Speaker Robin Vos told CNN affiliate WISN.
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Rofl… he needs a hobby
so Joe Manchin is not a complete cunt.
What new devilry is this?
I posted this yesterday…
runs away crying
House passes protection for same-sex, interracial marriages with bipartisan support
By Marianna Sotomayor, Leigh Ann Caldwell and Paul Kane
Updated July 19, 2022 at 6:37 p.m. EDT|Published July 19, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
A bill that would federally protect same-sex marriages sailed through the House on Tuesday with bipartisan support, a historic moment that marks a capstone to the nation’s quarter-century evolution on LGBTQ rights and a response to fears that an emboldened Supreme Court was poised to take away hard-won civil rights.
Forty-seven Republicans joined all Democrats in support of the Respect for Marriage Act that also would protect interracial marriage and repeal the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between one man and one woman. House Republican Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik (N.Y.) and National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Emmer (Minn.) were among those who voted in support, a signal that at least a portion of the party believes marriage equality is settled law.
Tuesday’s bipartisan vote proves a striking evolution on the issue of same-sex marriage for members of both parties. Just a decade ago, Democratic Vice President Joe Biden got castigated for announcing his support for gay marriage before the sitting president, Barack Obama, had announced his own views on the issue. More than a decade before that, Biden helped pass the Defense of Marriage Act in the Senate, while House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) joined 116 Democrats supporting it in the House.
Now, on the cusp of seizing the majority of the House, Republicans split into competing camps over the onetime hot-button issue as Democrats were completely unified in protecting a right that the Supreme Court had issued seven years ago. Some of Trump’s fiercest allies voted with Democrats, particularly Stefanik.
Yet just more than 20 percent of the Republican conference voted in support of the legislation, a sign that even though marriage equality has become more broadly accepted across the country, Republicans don’t have a unified view on what some consider progressive social issues.
It’s unclear if the legislation has enough support in the Senate for passage. And Democratic leaders didn’t commit to bringing it up for a vote, stating the legislative schedule ahead of the midterms may not allow for immediate consideration.
House Democrats scheduled the vote Tuesday in response to an opinion written by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas last month in which he openly questioned whether the court “should reconsider” rulings that guaranteed access to birth control and same-sex couples’ right to marriage — two issues many Americans have viewed as settled law.
Thomas’s opinion — filed as a concurrence to the Supreme Court ruling that overturned federal abortion protections in Roe v. Wade — opened the door for congressional Democrats to attempt to draw a sharp contrast between themselves and Republicans ahead of the fall midterm elections.
This week’s votes come on the heels of a House vote last week codifying the reproductive rights protections derived from the now overturned Roe v. Wade ruling and granting protections to people who travel out of state to obtain an abortion. The latter gained support of just three Republicans — two of whom are not seeking reelection.
Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), who is at risk of losing her reelection in a state where abortion is legal, attempted to force a vote by unanimous consent, a dramatic tactic to send a message on legislation that doesn’t have the votes, on a freedom to travel bill last week. It was blocked by Republicans.
House Democrats tee up votes on same-sex marriage, contraception rights
Democrats still hope to use Tuesday’s vote, as well as another expected later this week on access to contraception, to paint Republicans as extremists who do not support social freedoms ahead of the midterms. Republican leadership was split on the issue, with Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) and Minority Whip Steve Scalise (La.) voting against it, giving Democrats the green light to paint the party in broad strokes as extreme.
“I don’t think that undermines our ability to say they are extreme — the overwhelming majority of them are going to vote against this,” Hoyer said. “But I think it proves the point, that if they were in charge, things like this would not get on the floor.”
Several House Democratic “front-liners” — the title given to the most vulnerable legislators representing swing districts — welcomed Republican support on such legislation even if its passage in the Senate remains unclear, a pathway that often prompts the group to scowl at such messaging bills.
Asked whether GOP support on either bill this week could undercut Democratic messaging, Rep. Susan Wild (D-Pa.) said she would “be delighted if we have that problem.”
“If that turns out to be the case and we are overreacting on these two issues, great,” she said. “I’m not going to worry about whether that’s going to undercut Democratic messaging in the midterms and all that stuff. I’ll be thrilled if that happens.”
Abortion is banned in these states. See where laws have changed.
While still expressing their disappointment at the Supreme Court ruling, Democrats have predicted that overturning abortion access could give them a lift with voters. A New York Times/Siena College poll of registered voters this month saw majority support for abortion access increase since September 2020, from 60 percent to 65 percent.
But the same poll also showed that their argument may not break through as much as Democrats hope. Among registered voters, abortion ranked fifth behind crime, gun policies and the economy as the issues guiding their vote in November. Inflation and cost of living was the top issue of concern.
Several Republican aides and campaign strategists highlighted that and similar polling Monday, noting voters are more concerned about other issues Democrats have not been able to address.
The votes this week still present a tricky spot for Republicans, many of whom want to avoid debating what they, too, deem noncontroversial issues.
Last September, McCarthy suggested he supported same-sex marriage when asked if he agreed with Rep. Liz Cheney’s (R-Wyo.) change of heart on the issue, describing it as “the law of the land.”
McCarthy, who did not whip the vote and let Republicans vote as they wished, told The Washington Post he didn’t vote for it “because it was a political game by the Democrats.”
”They’re not being serious about the issues that the American public care most about (like) inflation. This is not an issue that’s coming before us,” McCarthy said. “And I just think you give them more fodder to keep playing political games instead of being serious about the issues we need to work on.”
Sen. Todd C. Young (R-Ind.), who is up for reelection but easily won his primary earlier this summer, was surprised by a question Monday about possibly voting on federally protecting marriage equality and contraception.
“I just didn’t know that this was an issue that was likely to be before Congress,” he said. “I’ll speak to my colleagues, but it’s a serious issue to, you know, millions of Americans, myself included.”
Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) likewise said she feels “pretty strongly about making sure women have contraception.” Ernst introduced legislation in 2019 that would expand access to over-the-counter contraception without a prescription and allow for people to pay for it with their Health Savings Accounts.
But she was noncommittal about voting for federal protections for contraception, saying it perhaps should be up to the states. “I don’t think states will go that far,” she added.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) also was noncommittal, saying he hasn’t decided if he’d support the measures should they be voted on in the Senate.
Rep. Ashley Hinson (R-Iowa) led Reps. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) and Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R-Iowa) in introducing counter-legislation Tuesday that would provide over-the-counter birth control approved by the Food and Drug Administration to women 18 and older. It’s unclear if the Democratic majority will bring the bill to a floor vote.
“Millions of American women safely use oral contraceptives and enabling women to access birth control pills at their local pharmacy is common-sense policy,” Hinson said.
Senate Democrats are also expected to force a vote Thursday on a bill by Sens. Tina Smith (D-Minn.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.) that would increase federal funding through Title X for family planning services, including increased access to birth control.
“Here is their chance for Republican senators to show that they mean it — that they will stand up for access to birth control,” Sen. Smith told reports Tuesday.
House Republicans have not introduced any legislation that would bar access to birth control or in vitro fertilization. Several GOP aides, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations, said there is little support for voting on issues that are widely supported by voters, like access to birth control, because it could put their members in a vulnerable position.
House GOP women are a crucial piece of party’s next move on abortion
Republican leaders are not signaling to members how they should vote, expecting a large number to join Democrats in passing the legislation, according to several leadership aides and two members who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations. But Republicans were prepared to argue against the legislation this week.
During a House Rules hearing on the contraception legislation Monday, Reps. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.) and Michelle Fischbach (R-Minn.) both said they support access to contraception and are willing to work with Democrats to find a compromise bill. But both accused Democrats of putting together a bill without GOP input that, Rodgers argued, only “opens the door further to their extreme abortion-on-demand agenda.”
“I’m anxious. I have time. Let’s sit down, let’s write a bill. But this is just a big distraction,” Rodgers said.
While debating marriage equality, Rep. Chip Roy (R-Tex.) did not say whether he or other Republicans were against same-sex or interracial marriage, but rather accused Democrats of not working with Republicans and instead pushing an “unfounded fear” based on Thomas’ concurrence.
“ simply questioned the ‘how,’ ” Roy said. “At the same time in the majority opinion, there are numerous specific mentions by the majority suggesting that the majority had no interest in touching those cases.”
Front-liners also see opportunity for the Senate to possibly pass such bills, especially after Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) co-sponsored the marriage equality legislation.
Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) told reporters Monday that he would support putting both bills up for a floor vote once they pass the House.
“I’d like to see it brought up and I’d like to vote on it, but I can’t say that it will be scheduled. There’s just so many things and so little time,” he said.
On Tuesday, however, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said bringing the House bills should be a priority.
“We’re going to look at everything that we can do to deal with these issues. We don’t want to see the country move back,” he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/19/house-votes-same-sex-marriage/?
dv said:
Rudi Giuliani, whose licence to practice law was suspended some 18 months ago, faces permanent disbarment after ethical misconduct charges in the District of Columbia. The charges relate to “bringing frivolous proceedings without a basis in law or fact” and “conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice”.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/10/trump-rudy-giuliani-ethical-misconduct-lawsuit
Seems he will be a busy lad
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/rudy-giuliani-ordered-to-testify-in-georgia-2020-election-probe
Rudy Giuliani ordered to testify in Georgia 2020 election probe
dv said:
dv said:
Rudi Giuliani, whose licence to practice law was suspended some 18 months ago, faces permanent disbarment after ethical misconduct charges in the District of Columbia. The charges relate to “bringing frivolous proceedings without a basis in law or fact” and “conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice”.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/10/trump-rudy-giuliani-ethical-misconduct-lawsuit
Seems he will be a busy lad
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/rudy-giuliani-ordered-to-testify-in-georgia-2020-election-probe
Rudy Giuliani ordered to testify in Georgia 2020 election probe
One of the many who seemed to lose any ability to realistically assess what’s going on.
Seems to be common when shitty demagogues take the stage.
Bump
So we are to believe that no secret service personnel followed any of the instructions to back up and if they did no trace can be found of the back ups either?
sarahs mum said:
So we are to believe that no secret service personnel followed any of the instructions to back up and if they did no trace can be found of the back ups either?
Plus it probably went into the recycle bin but not deleted for 30 days unless you manually do it
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.
The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.
The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
shrug what they need is people who can hold guns so that policy there seems fair to us
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
Could become a trend.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
You’d need to cultivate some like-minded lefties for outings and play-dates because home-schoolingin the US is mainly the province of RWNJs.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
Could become a trend.
despite news to the contrary, there are a lot of very normal people in the US.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
You’d need to cultivate some like-minded lefties for outings and play-dates because home-schoolingin the US is mainly the province of RWNJs.
^this
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
“Last week, the state announced that veterans and their spouses would receive a 5-year voucher allowing them to teach in the classroom even without a college degree.The goal is to relieve a statewide teacher shortage, but not everyone is happy with the move.”
Roflwhat
https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2022/07/20/military-veterans-spouses-can-now-teach-without-degree-florida/10084909002/
If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
You’d need to cultivate some like-minded lefties for outings and play-dates because home-schoolingin the US is mainly the province of RWNJs.
that seems to happen.
Most of the home schooled are taking on line lessons of one sort or another.
But it also seems most of the home schooled are home schooled for religious reasons.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:If I lived in the states I would definitely be home schooling.
Could become a trend.
despite news to the contrary, there are a lot of very normal people in the US.
shrug population is like 13 times Australia’s so you’d think a few exist
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Could become a trend.
despite news to the contrary, there are a lot of very normal people in the US.
shrug population is like 13 times Australia’s so you’d think a few exist
I’ve worked with Americans, and liked all of them.
No RWNJs among them. Some with strong religious convictions, but not preachy or over the top nutsy.
The most surprising thing i found is that a few of them were, in their turn, quite surprised to discover that not everyone everywhere in the world aspired to have a society precisely the same as that which prevails in the US. Some just couldn’t imagine that anyone would not want to have that, although most came to understand it.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:despite news to the contrary, there are a lot of very normal people in the US.
shrug population is like 13 times Australia’s so you’d think a few exist
I’ve worked with Americans, and liked all of them.
No RWNJs among them. Some with strong religious convictions, but not preachy or over the top nutsy.
The most surprising thing i found is that a few of them were, in their turn, quite surprised to discover that not everyone everywhere in the world aspired to have a society precisely the same as that which prevails in the US. Some just couldn’t imagine that anyone would not want to have that, although most came to understand it.
so the propaganda is only partially effective
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:despite news to the contrary, there are a lot of very normal people in the US.
shrug population is like 13 times Australia’s so you’d think a few exist
I’ve worked with Americans, and liked all of them.
No RWNJs among them. Some with strong religious convictions, but not preachy or over the top nutsy.
The most surprising thing i found is that a few of them were, in their turn, quite surprised to discover that not everyone everywhere in the world aspired to have a society precisely the same as that which prevails in the US. Some just couldn’t imagine that anyone would not want to have that, although most came to understand it.
Are these Americans outside the USA
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:despite news to the contrary, there are a lot of very normal people in the US.
shrug population is like 13 times Australia’s so you’d think a few exist
I’ve worked with Americans, and liked all of them.
No RWNJs among them. Some with strong religious convictions, but not preachy or over the top nutsy.
The most surprising thing i found is that a few of them were, in their turn, quite surprised to discover that not everyone everywhere in the world aspired to have a society precisely the same as that which prevails in the US. Some just couldn’t imagine that anyone would not want to have that, although most came to understand it.
there is a marked difference between americans with passports and those without.
Because the ‘is America great again?’ thread is too far back:
captain_spalding said:
Because the ‘is America great again?’ thread is too far back:
funny isn’t it how laws around consent for medical procedures are so concordant with laws around consent for rape
captain_spalding said:
The infamous disarming of Australian gays.
The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General has launched a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the destruction of Secret Service text messages that may have been relevant to inquiries about the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/secret-service-s-jan-6-scandal-points-failure-leadership-n1297425
dv said:
The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General has launched a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the destruction of Secret Service text messages that may have been relevant to inquiries about the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/secret-service-s-jan-6-scandal-points-failure-leadership-n1297425
Governmental maxim: never launch an inquiry unless you know what the outcome is going to be.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General has launched a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the destruction of Secret Service text messages that may have been relevant to inquiries about the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/secret-service-s-jan-6-scandal-points-failure-leadership-n1297425
Governmental maxim: never launch an inquiry unless you know what the outcome is going to be.
yes, minister…
party_pants said:
yes, minister…
When it first came out, that series was ‘compulsory viewing’ in Canberra.
People were stunned. It was, for the most part, anything but fiction. The realities of the mechanisms of government, for so long classified as ‘best that they don’t know’ were there, on national television, for all to see.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:yes, minister…
When it first came out, that series was ‘compulsory viewing’ in Canberra.
People were stunned. It was, for the most part, anything but fiction. The realities of the mechanisms of government, for so long classified as ‘best that they don’t know’ were there, on national television, for all to see.
My Dad used to called it his favourite documentary series :)
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:yes, minister…
When it first came out, that series was ‘compulsory viewing’ in Canberra.
People were stunned. It was, for the most part, anything but fiction. The realities of the mechanisms of government, for so long classified as ‘best that they don’t know’ were there, on national television, for all to see.
My Dad used to called it his favourite documentary series :)
The bit about getting the minister out of the way by shipping him off on some overseas junket…
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General has launched a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding the destruction of Secret Service text messages that may have been relevant to inquiries about the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/secret-service-s-jan-6-scandal-points-failure-leadership-n1297425
Governmental maxim: never launch an inquiry unless you know what the outcome is going to be.
yes, minister…
This isn’t an inquiry. It is a criminal investigation.
https://www.greeleytribune.com/2022/07/18/20th-larimer-police-shooting/
Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
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Investigators struggled to confirm an accurate number of victims because some of the victims transported themselves to various hospitals and mixed in with victims from other shootings, Schepman said.
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dv said:
https://www.greeleytribune.com/2022/07/18/20th-larimer-police-shooting/Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
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Investigators struggled to confirm an accurate number of victims because some of the victims transported themselves to various hospitals and mixed in with victims from other shootings, Schepman said.
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It’s a shoot soup out there.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.greeleytribune.com/2022/07/18/20th-larimer-police-shooting/Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
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Investigators struggled to confirm an accurate number of victims because some of the victims transported themselves to various hospitals and mixed in with victims from other shootings, Schepman said.
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It’s a shoot soup out there.
soup someone before they soup you.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.greeleytribune.com/2022/07/18/20th-larimer-police-shooting/Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
—-
Investigators struggled to confirm an accurate number of victims because some of the victims transported themselves to various hospitals and mixed in with victims from other shootings, Schepman said.
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It’s a shoot soup out there.
soup someone before they soup you.
Stark perspective: Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country
USA has 120 guns per 100 citizens, with nearly 400 million guns in civilian circulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.greeleytribune.com/2022/07/18/20th-larimer-police-shooting/
Denver police injure 5 bystanders in LoDo while shooting man who allegedly pointed gun at officers
—-
Investigators struggled to confirm an accurate number of victims because some of the victims transported themselves to various hospitals and mixed in with victims from other shootings, Schepman said.
—-
It’s a shoot soup out there.
soup someone before they soup you.
https://youtu.be/e5SUhbegZtc
Legal Eagle breaks down all the possible charges emerging from the Jan 6 committee.
Steve Bannon has been convicted of Contempt of Congress and will be sentenced in October.
dv said:
Steve Bannon has been convicted of Contempt of Congress and will be sentenced in October.
Draining the swamp.
Exclusive: Hyundai subsidiary has used child labor at Alabama factory
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/
dv said:
Exclusive: Hyundai subsidiary has used child labor at Alabama factory
good that’ll keep them from causing trouble by getting killed at school, we need a good Economy Must Grow to pump those unaborted All Lives Matter into
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Exclusive: Hyundai subsidiary has used child labor at Alabama factorygood that’ll keep them from causing trouble by getting killed at school, we need a good Economy Must Grow to pump those unaborted All Lives Matter into
They’re better off there.
When was the last time someone shot up a car parts factory?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Exclusive: Hyundai subsidiary has used child labor at Alabama factorygood that’ll keep them from causing trouble by getting killed at school, we need a good Economy Must Grow to pump those unaborted All Lives Matter into
They’re better off there.
When was the last time someone shot up a car parts factory?
https://apnews.com/article/business-shootings-indiana-a2eac4d392a16dc1d30378c3a79be7b6
Authorities: 2 dead in shooting at Indiana automotive plant
August 19, 2021
https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/beef-between-tesla-factory-workers-led-to-fatal-shooting-at-plant/
Beef between Tesla factory workers led to fatal shooting outside California plant: cops
Anthony Solima allegedly shot and killed a coworker at the Tesla factory in Fremont, California on December 13, 2021.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-anderson-south-carolina-frankische-factory-shooting-20220406-v6j43727ubg4xox3hfn75pvt2y-story.html
Police responded to calls about shots fired at the FRÄNKISCHE factory around 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, Anderson County Sheriff Chad McBride said during a press conference early Wednesday.
FRÄNKISCHE, which has 5,000 employees at 22 locations around the world, manufactures plastic and metal pipes, shafts and system components for cars, buildings, roads and household appliances.
Apr 06, 2022 at 8:45 am
I suppose you were asking rhetorically but that seems to happen several times a year.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:good that’ll keep them from causing trouble by getting killed at school, we need a good Economy Must Grow to pump those unaborted All Lives Matter into
They’re better off there.
When was the last time someone shot up a car parts factory?
https://apnews.com/article/business-shootings-indiana-a2eac4d392a16dc1d30378c3a79be7b6
Authorities: 2 dead in shooting at Indiana automotive plant
August 19, 2021https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/beef-between-tesla-factory-workers-led-to-fatal-shooting-at-plant/
Beef between Tesla factory workers led to fatal shooting outside California plant: cops
Anthony Solima allegedly shot and killed a coworker at the Tesla factory in Fremont, California on December 13, 2021.https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-anderson-south-carolina-frankische-factory-shooting-20220406-v6j43727ubg4xox3hfn75pvt2y-story.html
Police responded to calls about shots fired at the FRÄNKISCHE factory around 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, Anderson County Sheriff Chad McBride said during a press conference early Wednesday.
FRÄNKISCHE, which has 5,000 employees at 22 locations around the world, manufactures plastic and metal pipes, shafts and system components for cars, buildings, roads and household appliances.
Apr 06, 2022 at 8:45 amI suppose you were asking rhetorically but that seems to happen several times a year.
Gosh. USA, hey…
Michael V said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:They’re better off there.
When was the last time someone shot up a car parts factory?
https://apnews.com/article/business-shootings-indiana-a2eac4d392a16dc1d30378c3a79be7b6
Authorities: 2 dead in shooting at Indiana automotive plant
August 19, 2021https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/beef-between-tesla-factory-workers-led-to-fatal-shooting-at-plant/
Beef between Tesla factory workers led to fatal shooting outside California plant: cops
Anthony Solima allegedly shot and killed a coworker at the Tesla factory in Fremont, California on December 13, 2021.https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-anderson-south-carolina-frankische-factory-shooting-20220406-v6j43727ubg4xox3hfn75pvt2y-story.html
Police responded to calls about shots fired at the FRÄNKISCHE factory around 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, Anderson County Sheriff Chad McBride said during a press conference early Wednesday.
FRÄNKISCHE, which has 5,000 employees at 22 locations around the world, manufactures plastic and metal pipes, shafts and system components for cars, buildings, roads and household appliances.
Apr 06, 2022 at 8:45 amI suppose you were asking rhetorically but that seems to happen several times a year.
Gosh. USA, hey…
I mean you could probably pick any location and come up with similar results. “When was the last time people were shot at a bowling alley?”, “When was the last time people were shot while refurbishing Baird televisors” etc.
dv said:
Exclusive: Hyundai subsidiary has used child labor at Alabama factoryhttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/
America: the land of opportunities for business.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/e5SUhbegZtcLegal Eagle breaks down all the possible charges emerging from the Jan 6 committee.
You’d think some of it would stick.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/e5SUhbegZtcLegal Eagle breaks down all the possible charges emerging from the Jan 6 committee.
You’d think some of it would stick.
I wouldn’t fall of my chair if everyone goes to prison except the Don. There are already a dozen people in his team who have been convicted in his various scandals, and you’d logically assume that it is statistically unlikely that an innocent person was at the centre of such a web of crime.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:https://apnews.com/article/business-shootings-indiana-a2eac4d392a16dc1d30378c3a79be7b6
Authorities: 2 dead in shooting at Indiana automotive plant
August 19, 2021https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/beef-between-tesla-factory-workers-led-to-fatal-shooting-at-plant/
Beef between Tesla factory workers led to fatal shooting outside California plant: cops
Anthony Solima allegedly shot and killed a coworker at the Tesla factory in Fremont, California on December 13, 2021.https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-anderson-south-carolina-frankische-factory-shooting-20220406-v6j43727ubg4xox3hfn75pvt2y-story.html
Police responded to calls about shots fired at the FRÄNKISCHE factory around 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, Anderson County Sheriff Chad McBride said during a press conference early Wednesday.
FRÄNKISCHE, which has 5,000 employees at 22 locations around the world, manufactures plastic and metal pipes, shafts and system components for cars, buildings, roads and household appliances.
Apr 06, 2022 at 8:45 amI suppose you were asking rhetorically but that seems to happen several times a year.
Gosh. USA, hey…
I mean you could probably pick any location and come up with similar results. “When was the last time people were shot at a bowling alley?”, “When was the last time people were shot while refurbishing Baird televisors” etc.
fuckenhel but we’ve said it before if you outsource slash privatise your human rights abuses then you get free reign to wreck it all while claiming to have a better record than even a country that is trying to prevent terrible infectious disease across hundreds of millions of people
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/e5SUhbegZtcLegal Eagle breaks down all the possible charges emerging from the Jan 6 committee.
You’d think some of it would stick.
I wouldn’t fall of my chair if everyone goes to prison except the Don. There are already a dozen people in his team who have been convicted in his various scandals, and you’d logically assume that it is statistically unlikely that an innocent person was at the centre of such a web of crime.
It does look like it. But..you’d think some of it would stick.
James Murray, the Secret Service Director who oversaw the deletion of the Secret Service’s Jan 6 text messages, will be leaving the service next week to take up the position of, wait for it, Chief Security Officer at Snap Inc., parent company of Snapchat.
dv said:
James Murray, the Secret Service Director who oversaw the deletion of the Secret Service’s Jan 6 text messages, will be leaving the service next week to take up the position of, wait for it, Chief Security Officer at Snap Inc., parent company of Snapchat.
I’m sure the Snapchatters will be happy their chats are in safe hands.
Three months out from the midterms, the Democrats have continued to make ground on Republicans in the Congressional polling. In mid may the Republicans were 3% ahead, whereas the gap is now 1%. To hold the House of Representatives, the Democrats would probably need to be 3% in front, due to the gerrymander.
One pollster that is always way more Republican-heavy than all the rest is Rasmussen. Guess who sponsored the most recent Rasmussen poll.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:good that’ll keep them from causing trouble by getting killed at school, we need a good Economy Must Grow to pump those unaborted All Lives Matter into
They’re better off there.
When was the last time someone shot up a car parts factory?
https://apnews.com/article/business-shootings-indiana-a2eac4d392a16dc1d30378c3a79be7b6
Authorities: 2 dead in shooting at Indiana automotive plant
August 19, 2021
Meh. Only 2 dead. Doesn’t even qualify as a ‘mass shooting’.
dv said:
James Murray, the Secret Service Director who oversaw the deletion of the Secret Service’s Jan 6 text messages, will be leaving the service next week to take up the position of, wait for it, Chief Security Officer at Snap Inc., parent company of Snapchat.
Ironic because IIRC Snapchat’s novelty at the beginning was the deletion of messages shortly after they were viewed.
dv said:
Three months out from the midterms, the Democrats have continued to make ground on Republicans in the Congressional polling. In mid may the Republicans were 3% ahead, whereas the gap is now 1%. To hold the House of Representatives, the Democrats would probably need to be 3% in front, due to the gerrymander.
One pollster that is always way more Republican-heavy than all the rest is Rasmussen. Guess who sponsored the most recent Rasmussen poll.
Meanwhile, Biden’s approval rating has dropped to historic depths. He’s also now 2% behind Trump in the head-to-head polls for 2024.
dv said:
Meanwhile, Biden’s approval rating has dropped to historic depths. He’s also now 2% behind Trump in the head-to-head polls for 2024.
Like a said some days back: the Democrats are going to need a new candidate.
Kamala Harris: no. Not white, aged under 70, and female. Not a snowball’s hope in Hell.
They need to find someone (and quickly) who’s part superhero, part George Washington, part Abraham Lincoln, and part Jimmy Stewart.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Meanwhile, Biden’s approval rating has dropped to historic depths. He’s also now 2% behind Trump in the head-to-head polls for 2024.
Like a said some days back: the Democrats are going to need a new candidate.
Kamala Harris: no. Not white, aged under 70, and female. Not a snowball’s hope in Hell.
They need to find someone (and quickly) who’s part superhero, part George Washington, part Abraham Lincoln, and part Jimmy Stewart.
Mayor Pete is my boi
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Meanwhile, Biden’s approval rating has dropped to historic depths. He’s also now 2% behind Trump in the head-to-head polls for 2024.
Like a said some days back: the Democrats are going to need a new candidate.
Kamala Harris: no. Not white, aged under 70, and female. Not a snowball’s hope in Hell.
They need to find someone (and quickly) who’s part superhero, part George Washington, part Abraham Lincoln, and part Jimmy Stewart.
IDK man a lot of the criticism of him is that Biden is way too old.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Meanwhile, Biden’s approval rating has dropped to historic depths. He’s also now 2% behind Trump in the head-to-head polls for 2024.
Like a said some days back: the Democrats are going to need a new candidate.
Kamala Harris: no. Not white, aged under 70, and female. Not a snowball’s hope in Hell.
They need to find someone (and quickly) who’s part superhero, part George Washington, part Abraham Lincoln, and part Jimmy Stewart.
IDK man a lot of the criticism of him is that Biden is way too old.
Yeah, those three average 206 years old, so the superhero would have to be around minus 400 years old in order to average out at a sensibly geriatric age to be suitable for manipulation by the relevant party sponsors.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a barrel of stupid, but you don’t know how far down to the bottom of the barrel she is, because she’s still digging.
dv said:
IDK man a lot of the criticism of him is that Biden is way too old.
He is.
But, by the same token, anyone under 70 gets nasturtiums cast at them for ‘lacking experience’ and for not having the wisdom that supposedly comes with age.
Bill Clinton was, what, 47 when he became Prez, and some commentators talked about him like he’d just come out of high school. Said the job needed an older and wiser head.
Kingy said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a barrel of stupid, but you don’t know how far down to the bottom of the barrel she is, because she’s still digging.
I knda think the Tories in England are doing the same right now.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a barrel of stupid, but you don’t know how far down to the bottom of the barrel she is, because she’s still digging.
I knda think the Tories in England are doing the same right now.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
James Murray, the Secret Service Director who oversaw the deletion of the Secret Service’s Jan 6 text messages, will be leaving the service next week to take up the position of, wait for it, Chief Security Officer at Snap Inc., parent company of Snapchat.
I’m sure the Snapchatters will be happy their chats are in safe hands.
well that ecosystem has automatic time-out deletion of video messages doesn’t it
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
James Murray, the Secret Service Director who oversaw the deletion of the Secret Service’s Jan 6 text messages, will be leaving the service next week to take up the position of, wait for it, Chief Security Officer at Snap Inc., parent company of Snapchat.
I’m sure the Snapchatters will be happy their chats are in safe hands.
well that ecosystem has automatic time-out deletion of video messages doesn’t it
He’ll fit right in
Kingy said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Like a said some days back: the Democrats are going to need a new candidate.
Kamala Harris: no. Not white, aged under 70, and female. Not a snowball’s hope in Hell.
They need to find someone (and quickly) who’s part superhero, part George Washington, part Abraham Lincoln, and part Jimmy Stewart.
IDK man a lot of the criticism of him is that Biden is way too old.
Yeah, those three average 206 years old, so the superhero would have to be around minus 400 years old in order to average out at a sensibly geriatric age to be suitable for manipulation by the relevant party sponsors.
If things tick up for the Dems a couple more percent then they will probably just about hold the House and maybe end with 53-47 in the Senate. If that happens they’ll actually be able to get a few things done in Biden’s second term which may improve his appeal but srsly … he will be 82 in November 2024, is anyone going to give him 4 more years at that point?
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
James Murray, the Secret Service Director who oversaw the deletion of the Secret Service’s Jan 6 text messages, will be leaving the service next week to take up the position of, wait for it, Chief Security Officer at Snap Inc., parent company of Snapchat.
I’m sure the Snapchatters will be happy their chats are in safe hands.
well that ecosystem has automatic time-out deletion of video messages doesn’t it
Does it?
My knowledge of these things is close to 1/almost infinity.
dv said:
… he will be 82 in November 2024, is anyone going to give him 4 more years at that point?
Trump will be 78 in 2024, and you can bet your arse he’ll be the Republican nominee.
Either way, they’re going to get someone who’s way too old for it.
And i reckon Trump will win. And whatever has passed before will seem to have been so inconsequential compared to what comes.
Trump will die in office, and by then things will have been altered to ensure that the Republicans never lose again.
And if you think the US is crazy now….
I mean there’s some chance they will both be dead by then anyway
dv said:
I mean there’s some chance they will both be dead by then anyway
Death is our only chance.
https://youtu.be/xzIhI0XwUZ4
Former Federal Prosecutor Glenn Kirschner points out that when federal prosecutors have to recover deleted text messages, they would normally take them to the Secret Service because their Forensic Science Division, because they are considered the elite outfit for that kind of recovery
dv said:
https://youtu.be/xzIhI0XwUZ4
Former Federal Prosecutor Glenn Kirschner points out that when federal prosecutors have to recover deleted text messages, they would normally take them to the Secret Service because their Forensic Science Division, because they are considered the elite outfit for that kind of recovery
I thought that,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/23/california-shasta-county-far-right-extremists-politics-pandemic
https://fb.watch/esq36RMqFf/
Media Watch’s rundown of the reporting on the 10 year old rape victim case
On Mexicans, Anthony Bourdain wrote this:
Americans love Mexican food. We consume nachos, tacos, burritos, tortas, enchiladas, tamales and anything resembling Mexican in enormous quantities.
We love Mexican beverages, happily knocking back huge amounts of tequila, mezcal, and Mexican beer every year. We love Mexican people—we sure employ a lot of them.
Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, and look after our children.
As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are “stealing American jobs.”
But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter’s position—or even a job as a prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, probably, simply won’t do.
We love Mexican drugs. Maybe not you personally, but “we”, as a nation, certainly consume titanic amounts of them—and go to extraordinary lengths and expense to acquire them. We love Mexican music, Mexican beaches, Mexican architecture, interior design, Mexican films.
So, why don’t we love Mexico?
We throw up our hands and shrug at what happens and what is happening just across the border. Maybe we are embarrassed. Mexico, after all, has always been there for us, to service our darkest needs and desires.
Whether it’s dress up like fools and get passed-out drunk and sunburned on spring break in Cancun, throw pesos at strippers in Tijuana, or get toasted on Mexican drugs, we are seldom on our best behavior in Mexico. They have seen many of us at our worst. They know our darkest desires.
In the service of our appetites, we spend billions and billions of dollars each year on Mexican drugs—while at the same time spending billions and billions more trying to prevent those drugs from reaching us.
The effect on our society is everywhere to be seen. Whether it’s kids nodding off and overdosing in small town Vermont, gang violence in L.A., burned out neighborhoods in Detroit—it’s there to see.
What we don’t see, however, haven’t really noticed, and don’t seem to much care about, is the 80,000 dead in Mexico, just in the past few years—mostly innocent victims. Eighty thousand families who’ve been touched directly by the so-called “War On Drugs”.
Mexico. Our brother from another mother. A country, with whom, like it or not, we are inexorably, deeply involved, in a close but often uncomfortable embrace.
Look at it. It’s beautiful. It has some of the most ravishingly beautiful beaches on earth. Mountains, desert, jungle. Beautiful colonial architecture, a tragic, elegant, violent, ludicrous, heroic, lamentable, heartbreaking history. Mexican wine country rivals Tuscany for gorgeousness.
Its archeological sites—the remnants of great empires, unrivaled anywhere. And as much as we think we know and love it, we have barely scratched the surface of what Mexican food really is. It is NOT melted cheese over tortilla chips. It is not simple, or easy. It is not simply “bro food” at halftime.
It is in fact, old—older even than the great cuisines of Europe, and often deeply complex, refined, subtle, and sophisticated. A true mole sauce, for instance, can take DAYS to make, a balance of freshly (always fresh) ingredients painstakingly prepared by hand. It could be, should be, one of the most exciting cuisines on the planet, if we paid attention.
The old school cooks of Oaxaca make some of the more difficult and nuanced sauces in gastronomy. And some of the new generation—many of whom have trained in the kitchens of America and Europe—have returned home to take Mexican food to new and thrilling heights.
It’s a country I feel particularly attached to and grateful for. In nearly 30 years of cooking professionally, just about every time I walked into a new kitchen, it was a Mexican guy who looked after me, had my back, showed me what was what, and was there—and on the case—when the cooks like me, with backgrounds like mine, ran away to go skiing or surfing or simply flaked. I have been fortunate to track where some of those cooks come from, to go back home with them.
To small towns populated mostly by women—where in the evening, families gather at the town’s phone kiosk, waiting for calls from their husbands, sons and brothers who have left to work in our kitchens in the cities of the North.
I have been fortunate enough to see where that affinity for cooking comes from, to experience moms and grandmothers preparing many delicious things, with pride and real love, passing that food made by hand from their hands to mine.
In years of making television in Mexico, it’s one of the places we, as a crew, are happiest when the day’s work is over. We’ll gather around a street stall and order soft tacos with fresh, bright, delicious salsas, drink cold Mexican beer, sip smoky mezcals, and listen with moist eyes to sentimental songs from street musicians. We will look around and remark, for the hundredth time, what an extraordinary place this is.
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Good journalism should not be either or.
Saying so and so used to support Trump or Albanese or whoever then they write a critical piece and then they say, look they don’t support them anymore is just nuts.
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Beau the other day was saying that the Democrats have always been a party made up of groups. But the republicans have been a more together party. Trump has changed that. He has split the party.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Beau the other day was saying that the Democrats have always been a party made up of groups. But the republicans have been a more together party. Trump has changed that. He has split the party.
Cousins who breed with cousins and brother and sister couples
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Good journalism should not be either or.
Saying so and so used to support Trump or Albanese or whoever then they write a critical piece and then they say, look they don’t support them anymore is just nuts.
This invites a debate on the purposes of journalism, and on the role of editorialising.
Is journalism simply the impartial relating of facts like names, dates, times, sequences of events, who said what. Or is one of its functions and duties to present the news in ways which are meant to shape public thinking?
Ideally, that shaping would be towards outlooks that are morally right, and of benefit to the community, and not for the benefit of selected or preferred interest groups. Is it also a duty of journalism to refuse to adopt the special interests’ viewpoints, and are we well served by the journalism of our day?
I leave that with you, as i take the Barely-Domesticated Wolf out for a tour of the realm.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Beau the other day was saying that the Democrats have always been a party made up of groups. But the republicans have been a more together party. Trump has changed that. He has split the party.
Has he split them enough that the glue of seeking power won’t get them back together in time for 20245?
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Good journalism should not be either or.
Saying so and so used to support Trump or Albanese or whoever then they write a critical piece and then they say, look they don’t support them anymore is just nuts.
That’s right, it’s unfortunate that so many journalists were in the tank for Trump rather than objectively reporting on him.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trumphttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Good journalism should not be either or.
Saying so and so used to support Trump or Albanese or whoever then they write a critical piece and then they say, look they don’t support them anymore is just nuts.
That’s right, it’s unfortunate that so many journalists were in the tank for Trump rather than objectively reporting on him.
though in this case the linked piece is an editorial and so an opinion rather than strictly journalism.
Fair and balanced reporting doesn’t mean treating every single thing as morally equivalent. Salk got better coverage than Manson, not because of biased reporting, but because of the reality.
The range and extent of troubles with Trump as a president and a person are just mind boggling. Scandals that would have politically buried anyone else in a developed country do not even make a top 50 list of Trump’s scandals, so they are just an ordinary Tuesday and the newspapers move on because there’s no space.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Good journalism should not be either or.
Saying so and so used to support Trump or Albanese or whoever then they write a critical piece and then they say, look they don’t support them anymore is just nuts.
This invites a debate on the purposes of journalism, and on the role of editorialising.
Is journalism simply the impartial relating of facts like names, dates, times, sequences of events, who said what. Or is one of its functions and duties to present the news in ways which are meant to shape public thinking?
Ideally, that shaping would be towards outlooks that are morally right, and of benefit to the community, and not for the benefit of selected or preferred interest groups. Is it also a duty of journalism to refuse to adopt the special interests’ viewpoints, and are we well served by the journalism of our day?
I leave that with you, as i take the Barely-Domesticated Wolf out for a tour of the realm.
“Where¿”
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Beau the other day was saying that the Democrats have always been a party made up of groups. But the republicans have been a more together party. Trump has changed that. He has split the party.
so that guy is practically Moses is what we’re saying
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Beau the other day was saying that the Democrats have always been a party made up of groups. But the republicans have been a more together party. Trump has changed that. He has split the party.
so that guy is practically Moses is what we’re saying
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
The conservative New York Post finally breaks with Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/24/opinions/trump-nypost-wsj-editorials-obeidallah/index.html
Beau the other day was saying that the Democrats have always been a party made up of groups. But the republicans have been a more together party. Trump has changed that. He has split the party.
so that guy is practically Moses is what we’re saying
Apparently 6% were just there for the violence. no allegiance to party or Trump at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUL2v8sAo64
Rachel Maddow looks at the racist, antisemitic roots of “Christian nationalism” as advocated by American politician Gerald L.K. Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKrjhaPI95Y
Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler was forced to dig into the depth of the club’s youth set-up and feeder club Blacktown to name a squad.
He was only able to name a 20-player squad when NRL guidelines state they usually must select a 22-player list on Tuesday.
I’m a bit disappointed that I didn’t get a call up.
sibeen said:
Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler was forced to dig into the depth of the club’s youth set-up and feeder club Blacktown to name a squad.He was only able to name a 20-player squad when NRL guidelines state they usually must select a 22-player list on Tuesday.
I’m a bit disappointed that I didn’t get a call up.
That was probably meant for chat. I was blinded by grief.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler was forced to dig into the depth of the club’s youth set-up and feeder club Blacktown to name a squad.He was only able to name a 20-player squad when NRL guidelines state they usually must select a 22-player list on Tuesday.
I’m a bit disappointed that I didn’t get a call up.
That was probably meant for chat. I was blinded by grief.
probably those dodgy knees.
sibeen said:
Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler was forced to dig into the depth of the club’s youth set-up and feeder club Blacktown to name a squad.He was only able to name a 20-player squad when NRL guidelines state they usually must select a 22-player list on Tuesday.
I’m a bit disappointed that I didn’t get a call up.
The only thing you are likely to get called up for as a “youth” ring-in is the US Senate.
history of SCOTUS genius
The Supreme Court, in its 1908 opinion in White-Smith Music Publishing Company v. Apollo Company, sided with the player piano companies. The Court held that because humans could not read player piano rolls, they were not in fact copies of the musical compositions they encoded.
SCIENCE said:
history of SCOTUS geniusThe Supreme Court, in its 1908 opinion in White-Smith Music Publishing Company v. Apollo Company, sided with the player piano companies. The Court held that because humans could not read player piano rolls, they were not in fact copies of the musical compositions they encoded.
Humans can’t read CDs either, so how come copyright/intellectual property rights can be enforced with those?
SCIENCE said:
history of SCOTUS geniusThe Supreme Court, in its 1908 opinion in White-Smith Music Publishing Company v. Apollo Company, sided with the player piano companies. The Court held that because humans could not read player piano rolls, they were not in fact copies of the musical compositions they encoded.
I bet some clever people can read player piano rolls …
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
history of SCOTUS geniusThe Supreme Court, in its 1908 opinion in White-Smith Music Publishing Company v. Apollo Company, sided with the player piano companies. The Court held that because humans could not read player piano rolls, they were not in fact copies of the musical compositions they encoded.
I bet some clever people can read player piano rolls …
Probably be a bit like reading Braille.
Opinion Quit, Joe, Quit! Biden could save the midterms with a one-term pledge.
By Steven L. Isenberg
July 24, 2022 at 8:00 a.m. EDT
Steven L. Isenberg is a former publisher of New York Newsday and was chief of staff to New York Mayor John V. Lindsay.
President Biden should announce now that he will not run for reelection in 2024. He should not ask the Democratic Party, or the nation, to assume the risk of a second four-year term that would begin after he reached the age of 82.
The conventional calculus argues that a president would be a fool to reveal such a plan before he has to, because it would instantly undercut his ability to get anything of real significance accomplished. But in Biden’s case the argument is exactly wrong. Here’s why the decision not to run should come promptly.
First, and most important, the midterm elections this November would become about key issues and the quality of individual House and Senate candidates rather than the merits of Biden’s presidency and whether voters feel he should run again.
No more self-conscious maneuvering by Biden and his staff, nor whispers and unattributed quotes about what the president should or will do. Once the expense of spirit, dollars, actions and arguments to keep alive the possibility of a second term is ended, the need for Biden to posture or tactically temporize will be gone, too.
That new freedom would permit him to say with absolute conviction that every ounce of his energy, focus and political capital will be devoted to addressing the nation’s immediate needs and the matters he feels most deeply shape our future.
The plotting and the politicking of Democrats aspiring to the presidency have already begun. Unless Biden announces that he is not running for reelection, this quiet campaign against him will intensify — whether it comes from people who intend to challenge Biden in the primaries in 2024 or just to flex their muscles to discourage him from running again. This is fueled by his low standing in the polls on job performance and on desirability as the party’s 2024 nominee.
Biden might be playing for time to avoid the consequences of being a lame duck, but that is a canard. It might be hurtful and unfair, but Biden is already seen by some as lame and lacking intensity — older, more frail, less persuasive — even when he says the right things. All understandable in age (I am 81), but why stir those concerns and doubts unnecessarily by retaining the prospect of a second term?
It’s true that if Donald Trump were to run for the presidency again, and won, he would assume the office at 78. Age, however, is far down the list of attributes that argue against his reelection.
Biden, on the other hand, has been a stronger president than the polls suggest. His convictions on guns, abortion, the Supreme Court, China and inflation have been made with candor. His attainments in judicial appointments, and aspirations for physical and social infrastructure, as well as climate change, form a serious agenda. He has been strong and firm enough to lead the West’s response to Russia’s Vladimir Putin in Ukraine and used his time and presence by traveling to further his foreign policy on the world stage.
He would bolster this agenda, and silence the unnecessary polling questions and their unsettling results, which sap his hold on voters’ patience and confidence, by making a one-term decision and announcement before the midterms.
Why not direct all Biden’s strength to moving public opinion and Congress toward comity and achievement over the next two years? Biden stands a better chance of a favorable congressional result for the Democrats in November’s election, and of being able to pass legislation during the rest of his term, if the focus is on the House and Senate candidates and their positions on the issues. His age, and his presidency, would be greatly reduced as an issue this fall.
He would avoid questions about who his running mate might be, or who should be in his next Cabinet. He would not have to resist appraising challengers from his own party or the GOP. Perhaps he had all this inherently in mind when he called himself “a transitional president.”
If so, he should not wait to share his decision with the rest of us. Biden’s power and dignity can be strengthened by framing the next two years with clarity and without electoral distractions.
He would become entirely a man for the urgent present.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/24/biden-midterms-why-he-should-announce-not-running-reelection/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/24/biden-midterms-why-he-should-announce-not-running-reelection/?
There’s some good sense in that.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Opinion Quit, Joe, Quit! Biden could save the midterms with a one-term pledge.
By Steven L. Isenberg
July 24, 2022 at 8:00 a.m. EDTSteven L. Isenberg is a former publisher of New York Newsday and was chief of staff to New York Mayor John V. Lindsay.
President Biden should announce now that he will not run for reelection in 2024. He should not ask the Democratic Party, or the nation, to assume the risk of a second four-year term that would begin after he reached the age of 82.
The conventional calculus argues that a president would be a fool to reveal such a plan before he has to, because it would instantly undercut his ability to get anything of real significance accomplished. But in Biden’s case the argument is exactly wrong. Here’s why the decision not to run should come promptly.
First, and most important, the midterm elections this November would become about key issues and the quality of individual House and Senate candidates rather than the merits of Biden’s presidency and whether voters feel he should run again.
No more self-conscious maneuvering by Biden and his staff, nor whispers and unattributed quotes about what the president should or will do. Once the expense of spirit, dollars, actions and arguments to keep alive the possibility of a second term is ended, the need for Biden to posture or tactically temporize will be gone, too.
That new freedom would permit him to say with absolute conviction that every ounce of his energy, focus and political capital will be devoted to addressing the nation’s immediate needs and the matters he feels most deeply shape our future.
The plotting and the politicking of Democrats aspiring to the presidency have already begun. Unless Biden announces that he is not running for reelection, this quiet campaign against him will intensify — whether it comes from people who intend to challenge Biden in the primaries in 2024 or just to flex their muscles to discourage him from running again. This is fueled by his low standing in the polls on job performance and on desirability as the party’s 2024 nominee.
Biden might be playing for time to avoid the consequences of being a lame duck, but that is a canard. It might be hurtful and unfair, but Biden is already seen by some as lame and lacking intensity — older, more frail, less persuasive — even when he says the right things. All understandable in age (I am 81), but why stir those concerns and doubts unnecessarily by retaining the prospect of a second term?
It’s true that if Donald Trump were to run for the presidency again, and won, he would assume the office at 78. Age, however, is far down the list of attributes that argue against his reelection.
Biden, on the other hand, has been a stronger president than the polls suggest. His convictions on guns, abortion, the Supreme Court, China and inflation have been made with candor. His attainments in judicial appointments, and aspirations for physical and social infrastructure, as well as climate change, form a serious agenda. He has been strong and firm enough to lead the West’s response to Russia’s Vladimir Putin in Ukraine and used his time and presence by traveling to further his foreign policy on the world stage.
He would bolster this agenda, and silence the unnecessary polling questions and their unsettling results, which sap his hold on voters’ patience and confidence, by making a one-term decision and announcement before the midterms.
Why not direct all Biden’s strength to moving public opinion and Congress toward comity and achievement over the next two years? Biden stands a better chance of a favorable congressional result for the Democrats in November’s election, and of being able to pass legislation during the rest of his term, if the focus is on the House and Senate candidates and their positions on the issues. His age, and his presidency, would be greatly reduced as an issue this fall.
He would avoid questions about who his running mate might be, or who should be in his next Cabinet. He would not have to resist appraising challengers from his own party or the GOP. Perhaps he had all this inherently in mind when he called himself “a transitional president.”
If so, he should not wait to share his decision with the rest of us. Biden’s power and dignity can be strengthened by framing the next two years with clarity and without electoral distractions.
He would become entirely a man for the urgent present.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/24/biden-midterms-why-he-should-announce-not-running-reelection/?
They picked the right chap to beat Trump, he’s done that, his job is done.
Australian politics is rather boring at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5LaLT2BJM&ab_channel=thejuicemedia
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The US Supreme Court has made an ad, and it’s surprisingly honest and informative.
Honest Government Ad | US Supreme Court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5LaLT2BJM
GOP congressman attends gay son’s wedding after opposing protections for same-sex marriage
By Melanie Zanona, CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/25/politics/glenn-thompson-attends-gay-sons-wedding-after-opposing-protections/index.html
A true centrist
ABC News:
‘Donald Trump gives strongest indication he’ll run for president in 2024
By Jessica Riga
Speaking in Washington for the first time since leaving office, former US president Donald Trump strongly hints he’ll run in 2024, as Mike Pence urges Americans to look ahead rather than back’
“Where is thy sting, O Death!
Grave! where thy victory?
The clod may sleep in dust beneath”
- John Bowring
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Donald Trump gives strongest indication he’ll run for president in 2024
By Jessica Riga
Speaking in Washington for the first time since leaving office, former US president Donald Trump strongly hints he’ll run in 2024, as Mike Pence urges Americans to look ahead rather than back’“Where is thy sting, O Death! Grave! where thy victory?
The clod may sleep in dust beneath”- John Bowring
Biden “Deep 6 that fucker”
Lavern is a Republican party Congressional candidate for 2024.
captain_spalding said:
Lavern is a Republican party Congressional candidate for 2024.
Shirley not !
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Lavern is a Republican party Congressional candidate for 2024.
Shirley not !
Laverne and Shirley would govern the US better than the Republicans.
Hell, Lenny and Squiggy would do it better.
captain_spalding said:
Lavern is a Republican party Congressional candidate for 2024.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630
Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
One wonders if Trump is charged and/or convicted what will happen.
More riots or are they aware what could happen to them
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
One wonders if Trump is charged and/or convicted what will happen.
More riots or are they aware what could happen to them
There would undoubtedly be violence. There’s always some who will resort to that very quickly.
The only question is on what scale violence will occur.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
One wonders if Trump is charged and/or convicted what will happen.
More riots or are they aware what could happen to them
I imagine the riots would be huge. Big riots. Massive riots. Riots like no-one’s ever seem before.
But seriously yeah I reckon there would be plenty of riots around the US. And hence plenty of Darwinian selection going on.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
One wonders if Trump is charged and/or convicted what will happen.
More riots or are they aware what could happen to them
There would undoubtedly be violence. There’s always some who will resort to that very quickly.
The only question is on what scale violence will occur.
Yeah I was thinking that could be a reason they might be reluctant to charge him
(CNN)Former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller told the House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill insurrection that former President Donald Trump never gave him a formal order to have 10,000 troops ready to be deployed to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, according to new video of Miller’s deposition released by the committee.
“I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature,” Miller said in the video.
Trump has previously said that he requested National Guard troops be ready for January 6. He released a statement on June 9 that he “suggested & offered” up to 20,000 National Guard troops be deployed to Washington, DC, ahead of January 6 claiming it was because he felt “that the crowd was going to be very large.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/chris-miller-house-select-committee/index.html
dv said:
(CNN)Former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller told the House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill insurrection that former President Donald Trump never gave him a formal order to have 10,000 troops ready to be deployed to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, according to new video of Miller’s deposition released by the committee.
“I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature,” Miller said in the video.
Trump has previously said that he requested National Guard troops be ready for January 6. He released a statement on June 9 that he “suggested & offered” up to 20,000 National Guard troops be deployed to Washington, DC, ahead of January 6 claiming it was because he felt “that the crowd was going to be very large.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/chris-miller-house-select-committee/index.html
One wonders about whose side the national guard would be on.
captain_spalding said:
Lavern is a Republican party Congressional candidate for 2024.
Is she saying that removing pronouns will regress society back to the biblical days of rape, murder, incest and child marriage?
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Lavern is a Republican party Congressional candidate for 2024.
Is she saying that removing pronouns will regress society back to the biblical days of rape, murder, incest and child marriage?
She may be hoping…
Been taking part in a game elsewhere on the internet, where you remove a word from a Star Wars quote and replace it with ‘sausage’.
Examples:
‘Uh, uh, negative. We had a sausage leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large sausage…very dangerous.’
‘An escape pod was jettisoned during the fighting, but no sausages were aboard’.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
Fair comment.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
Fair comment.
It’s a bit confused though because in the analogy, the mob were the hitman and Trump was the one that sent them…
furious said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Fair comment.
It’s a bit confused though because in the analogy, the mob were the hitman and Trump was the one that sent them…
It’s not well worded. I think that he saying that the mob were ‘hired and sent’ by a ‘hitman’ (one of Trump’s associates), but that it was Trump who ‘hired’ the ‘hitman’.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-27/trump-supporter-jailed-5-years-capitol-riot/101272630Still working their way through the rioters. Sending them to gaol.
One wonders if Trump is charged and/or convicted what will happen.
More riots or are they aware what could happen to them
When i was a little girl they talked about the mob all the time. They did shake downs and made threats and were above the law. Some of them could sing.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
One wonders if Trump is charged and/or convicted what will happen.
More riots or are they aware what could happen to them
When i was a little girl they talked about the mob all the time. They did shake downs and made threats and were above the law. Some of them could sing.
And they did it their way…
furious said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Fair comment.
It’s a bit confused though because in the analogy, the mob were the hitman and Trump was the one that sent them…
I don’t see any confusion; the mob were the hitman and Trump was the one that sent them
Michael V said:
furious said:
Michael V said:Fair comment.
It’s a bit confused though because in the analogy, the mob were the hitman and Trump was the one that sent them…
I don’t see any confusion; the mob were the hitman and Trump was the one that sent them
That’s the understand but that quote suggests that Trump was the hitman, it’s all backwards…
In emails obtained by The New York Times, a lawyer for Donald Trump’s campaign acknowledged that a scheme to overturn the former president’s election defeat involved “fake” electors. “We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Jack Wilenchik, who helped organize pro-Trump electors in Arizona, wrote in a December 8, 2020, email to Boris Epshteyn, a Trump campaign adviser. In a follow up email, Wilenchik clarifies, saying that “alternative” votes is a better term.
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This guy is a marketing genius.
CNN)The Indiana doctor who provided abortion services for a 10-year-old girl who was raped is now being investigated by the state’s attorney general, according to a lawyer for the doctor.
A notice from Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita of his inquiry into Dr. Caitlin Bernard arrived Tuesday, attorney Kathleen DeLaney said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/27/us/indiana-doctor-child-rape-abortion-ag-investigation/index.html
oh
Some of the incidents are the result of disaffected people reacting angrily to ballot-box hijacking, vote-rigging or problems with the electoral roll, while elsewhere candidates have been accused of inciting their supporters to violence to try to influence outcomes.
sorry wrong country
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/png-election-chaos-includes-machete-wielding-gangs/101271346
There are concerns that some candidates may be using violence and unrest to try to derail the electoral process. “I also appeal to some other candidates, who think they can use this opportunity to fail the elections in the city: it will not happen,” one candidate in the Moresby North East electorate said. Another called for candidates to be held to account for the actions of their supporters.
More from Lavern Spicer (202 Republican nominee for US Congress) on ‘pronouns’ in the Bible:
CNN)Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin on Wednesday announced a deal on an energy and health care bill, representing a breakthrough after more than a year of negotiations that have collapsed time and again.
But it will face furious GOP opposition.
The deal is a major reversal for Manchin, and the health and climate bill stands a serious chance of becoming law as soon as August — assuming Democrats can pass the bill in the House and that it passes muster with the Senate parliamentarian to allow it to be approved along straight party lines in the budget process.
While Manchin scuttled President Joe Biden’s Build Back Better bill, the final deal includes a number of provisions the moderate from West Virginia had privately scoffed at, representing a significant reversal from earlier this month. That includes provisions addressing the climate crisis.
The agreement contains a number of Democrats’ goals. While many details have not been disclosed, the measure would invest $369 billion into energy and climate change programs, with the goal of reducing carbon emissions by 40% by 2030, according to a one-page fact sheet. For the first time, Medicare would be empowered to negotiate the prices of certain medications, and it would cap out-of-pocket costs at $2,000 for those enrolled in Medicare drug plans. It would also extend expiring enhanced subsidies for Affordable Care Act coverage for three years.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/schumer-manchin-deal-build-back-better/index.html
dv said:
CNN)Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin on Wednesday announced a deal on an energy and health care bill, representing a breakthrough after more than a year of negotiations that have collapsed time and again.But it will face furious GOP opposition.
The deal is a major reversal for Manchin, and the health and climate bill stands a serious chance of becoming law as soon as August — assuming Democrats can pass the bill in the House and that it passes muster with the Senate parliamentarian to allow it to be approved along straight party lines in the budget process.
While Manchin scuttled President Joe Biden’s Build Back Better bill, the final deal includes a number of provisions the moderate from West Virginia had privately scoffed at, representing a significant reversal from earlier this month. That includes provisions addressing the climate crisis.
The agreement contains a number of Democrats’ goals. While many details have not been disclosed, the measure would invest $369 billion into energy and climate change programs, with the goal of reducing carbon emissions by 40% by 2030, according to a one-page fact sheet. For the first time, Medicare would be empowered to negotiate the prices of certain medications, and it would cap out-of-pocket costs at $2,000 for those enrolled in Medicare drug plans. It would also extend expiring enhanced subsidies for Affordable Care Act coverage for three years.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/27/politics/schumer-manchin-deal-build-back-better/index.html
So Manchin is not a complete fucktard obstructionist after all. Who knew?
Good News, Libertarian Surveillance Capitalists Will Be Able To Protect True American Enterprise By Intervening To Block This CHINA Surveillance Communism Product
Facebook and Instagram’s parent company Meta has posted its first-ever revenue decline, dragged down by a drop in ad spending as the economy falters, and increasing competition from rival TikTok.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-28/meta-losses-amid-inflation-and-competition/101276588
Fox televises Pence’s speech but not Trumps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWq9j01aEsc
sarahs mum said:
Fox televises Pence’s speech but not Trumps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWq9j01aEsc
There are small signs that the rightwing media are preparing to abandon shit
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Fox televises Pence’s speech but not Trumps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWq9j01aEsc
There are small signs that the rightwing media are preparing to abandon shit
Does Trump still stand behind that bulletproof shield when he does speeches in public, I assuming that’s what is was, how bulletproof I wonder.
Cymek said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Fox televises Pence’s speech but not Trumps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWq9j01aEsc
There are small signs that the rightwing media are preparing to abandon shit
Does Trump still stand behind that bulletproof shield when he does speeches in public, I assuming that’s what is was, how bulletproof I wonder.
Steady lad.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
dv said:There are small signs that the rightwing media are preparing to abandon shit
Does Trump still stand behind that bulletproof shield when he does speeches in public, I assuming that’s what is was, how bulletproof I wonder.
Steady lad.
Everyone has a gun over there.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:Does Trump still stand behind that bulletproof shield when he does speeches in public, I assuming that’s what is was, how bulletproof I wonder.
Steady lad.
Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Steady lad.
Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Steady lad.
Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
His hair looks natural, it blows in the wind and can look unkempt at times.
Pence on the other hand……….
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
I’m kidding but I was wondering how bulletproof it was, high powered rifle bullet proof for example
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
But why would they do that?
And just saying “it’s no worse than Trump” isn’t high praise…
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
But why would they do that?
And just saying “it’s no worse than Trump” isn’t high praise…
I’m afraid nothing that comes from Trump or his strange followers can attract praise.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
I’m kidding but I was wondering how bulletproof it was, high powered rifle bullet proof for example
If this thread throws a Red Flag I’d just like to say Hi guys, I don’t own any guns and never have, no need to call me in and if you want any information on all the others here I’ll tell youse everything I know.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
I’m kidding but I was wondering how bulletproof it was, high powered rifle bullet proof for example
If this thread throws a Red Flag I’d just like to say Hi guys, I don’t own any guns and never have, no need to call me in and if you want any information on all the others here I’ll tell youse everything I know.
Others obviously thought it could happen otherwise why have the screen (assuming it is bulletproof)
Did they sit down and do a cost analysis “Hmm now we can reasonably protect him cost wise with this screen, good against small arms fire, but not rifle bullets or anything going up in firepower from that”
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Steady lad.
Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I want him to pay, and pay, and pay…
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
I’m kidding but I was wondering how bulletproof it was, high powered rifle bullet proof for example
Those plastic squares are not protection.
https://www.straightdope.com/21341765/what-are-the-glass-squares-on-either-side-of-the-presidential-podium
‘They’re teleprompters — you didn’t think the Prez actually memorized all those speeches, did you? The glass squares, which are called “beam splitters,” are coated in such a way that they act as mirrors for the person at the podium while appearing transparent to people in the audience. They’re carefully angled so that they pick up the text of the speech off TV monitors lying face up on the floor and reflect it toward the speaker.’
dv said:
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I have no wish for him to be assassinated, either.
It’d be morally wrong to hope for that.
Apart from which it would make him into a ‘martyr’.
Which is not to say that i wouldn’t like to see him dead.
buffy said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Everyone has a gun over there.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I want him to pay, and pay, and pay…
Like prison shower sort of pay?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I have no wish for him to be assassinated, either.
It’d be morally wrong to hope for that.
Apart from which it would make him into a ‘martyr’.
Which is not to say that i wouldn’t like to see him dead.
I don’t even particularly want him dead. I want the US to voluntarily get past “Trumpism”.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:I’m not into assassinations either but if one of his own shoots him, that could be no worse than Trump threatening to shoot people and get away with it.
I’m kidding but I was wondering how bulletproof it was, high powered rifle bullet proof for example
Those plastic squares are not protection.
https://www.straightdope.com/21341765/what-are-the-glass-squares-on-either-side-of-the-presidential-podium
‘They’re teleprompters — you didn’t think the Prez actually memorized all those speeches, did you? The glass squares, which are called “beam splitters,” are coated in such a way that they act as mirrors for the person at the podium while appearing transparent to people in the audience. They’re carefully angled so that they pick up the text of the speech off TV monitors lying face up on the floor and reflect it toward the speaker.’
OK then thanks
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I have no wish for him to be assassinated, either.
It’d be morally wrong to hope for that.
Apart from which it would make him into a ‘martyr’.
Which is not to say that i wouldn’t like to see him dead.
I don’t even particularly want him dead. I want the US to voluntarily get past “Trumpism”.
DeSantisalia will put an end to that.
dv said:
I don’t even particularly want him dead. I want the US to voluntarily get past “Trumpism”.
That would be the ideal.
If Trump dies, whatever the cause, it’ll just turn into another ratbag conspiracy theory.
If he got hit by lightning out on the golf course, someone would try to pin it on Hilary/Democrats/antifa/BLM/Pelosi/poor people/Karl Marx/FD Roosevelt/etc. etc.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I don’t want DJT assassinated…
I have no wish for him to be assassinated, either.
It’d be morally wrong to hope for that.
Apart from which it would make him into a ‘martyr’.
Which is not to say that i wouldn’t like to see him dead.
I don’t even particularly want him dead. I want the US to voluntarily get past “Trumpism”.
I would like him charged with whatever they think he did wrong. I understand that the head of state should be protected from the ramifications of some decisions they make…but overturning the democratic process is a bit rich.
sarahs mum said:
I would like him charged with whatever they think he did wrong. I understand that the head of state should be protected from the ramifications of some decisions they make…but overturning the democratic process is a bit rich.
The greatest punishment that could be inflicted on Trump would be for him to be ignored and forgotten.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I would like him charged with whatever they think he did wrong. I understand that the head of state should be protected from the ramifications of some decisions they make…but overturning the democratic process is a bit rich.
The greatest punishment that could be inflicted on Trump would be for him to be ignored and forgotten.
He aint gunna let that happen.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I would like him charged with whatever they think he did wrong. I understand that the head of state should be protected from the ramifications of some decisions they make…but overturning the democratic process is a bit rich.
The greatest punishment that could be inflicted on Trump would be for him to be ignored and forgotten.
He aint gunna let that happen.
Soldier Boy can’t help either
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Loans to who?
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Loans to who?
Wasn’t DJT up to his neck in loans from foreign banks to the tune of hundreds of millions at one point?
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Loans to who?
Wasn’t DJT up to his neck in loans from foreign banks to the tune of hundreds of millions at one point?
He probably channelled “stop the steal” campaign funds into some of his debts…
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Loans to who?
Wasn’t DJT up to his neck in loans from foreign banks to the tune of hundreds of millions at one point?
He refinanced a lot of that last year when Deutschebank cut him off. I doubt the terms were good but it staved off the axe. He also let go a few properties.
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Loans to who?
Wasn’t DJT up to his neck in loans from foreign banks to the tune of hundreds of millions at one point?
Yeah, but lots of ‘mega-rich’ people are.
That’s how they avoid tax. They use their assets as collateral for huge loans from various banks etc., and live off those loans. This means that they have no taxable income, per se, and don’t have to pay tax on their money. The banks are happy to let it go, because they can always grab the assets if necessary.
That’s a bar-bones description of it, but you can look up more on it for details.
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Which country?
captain_spalding said:
Wow! That has an element of truth about it.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
Wow! That has an element of truth about it.
Both those when taken to extremes lend to fascism, patriotism and religion.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
Wow! That has an element of truth about it.
Both those when taken to extremes lend to fascism, patriotism and religion.
I believe it was Samuel Johnson who said, “flagshaggers are usually dogfuckers.”
dv said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:Wow! That has an element of truth about it.
Both those when taken to extremes lend to fascism, patriotism and religion.
I believe it was Samuel Johnson who said, “flagshaggers are usually dogfuckers.”
For which he received a Logie:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I would like him charged with whatever they think he did wrong. I understand that the head of state should be protected from the ramifications of some decisions they make…but overturning the democratic process is a bit rich.
The greatest punishment that could be inflicted on Trump would be for him to be ignored and forgotten.
Let us do that then.
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
Neophyte said:
What ever happened to all those gigantic loans from various banks that were going to be due for repaymant any time soon…?
Loans to who?
Wasn’t DJT up to his neck in loans from foreign banks to the tune of hundreds of millions at one point?
He conned millions out of pensioners who beieved the big lie.
Former Democrat presidential election candidate Andrew Yang has pushed forward with his plans to split the Democrat vote with the launch of the Forward Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/27/forward-republicans-democrats-new-third-political-party
Various other nations have various means of dealing with the “Spoiler effect” whereby support for minor parties ends up helping one’s political enemies. Here in Australia we have preferential voting, in France they have run-off elections at various levels, in NZ and Germany they have forms of proportional representation. This isn’t the case in the USA, so unless you are in a district where Republicans have no chance at all, a vote for the Greens or any other left of centre party is as good as a vote for the Republicans. Just saying that you’re dissatisfied with the 2 party system doesn’t alter the fact that you have a 2 party system for structural reasons.
We hear a lot about Confederate statues, so here’s a Union one.
ERECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN IN HONOR OF
THE MARTYRS WHO FELL AND THE HEROES WHO FOUGHT
IN DEFENCE OF LIBERTY AND UNION
Bubblecar said:
We hear a lot about Confederate statues, so here’s a Union one.ERECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN IN HONOR OF
THE MARTYRS WHO FELL AND THE HEROES WHO FOUGHT
IN DEFENCE OF LIBERTY AND UNION
…snapped in Detroit circa 1905.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/07/27/matt-gaetz-20-republicans-trafficking/10167082002/
20 Republicans, including Rep. Matt Gaetz, vote against anti-human trafficking bill
Twenty Republicans on Wednesday voted against legislation that would reauthorize programs to combat human trafficking.
The bill, called the Frederick Douglass Trafficking Victims Prevention and Protection Reauthorization Act of 2022, passed the House by a tally of 401-20. It first became law in 2000 and saw almost no opposition from either party at the time.
Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz, who is reportedly himself under federal investigation for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the GOP members who voted “no” on the bill.
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Maybe the FBI should take a look at the other 19.
dv said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/07/27/matt-gaetz-20-republicans-trafficking/10167082002/20 Republicans, including Rep. Matt Gaetz, vote against anti-human trafficking bill
Twenty Republicans on Wednesday voted against legislation that would reauthorize programs to combat human trafficking.
The bill, called the Frederick Douglass Trafficking Victims Prevention and Protection Reauthorization Act of 2022, passed the House by a tally of 401-20. It first became law in 2000 and saw almost no opposition from either party at the time.
Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz, who is reportedly himself under federal investigation for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the GOP members who voted “no” on the bill.
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Maybe the FBI should take a look at the other 19.
where can I buy an American?
https://youtu.be/pkpAay83rO4
Trump’s team repeated the lie that Trump approved 10000 to 20000 national guard troops to be ready to deploy. Fox News repeated it constantly. Sean Hannity said it over 100 times. Then Defence Secretary Chris Miller repeated it on Fox News, even going so far as to lie by saying he had said it under oath.
The 6 Jan committee has released the transcripts and they show Miller was unaware of Trump approving these troops.
In reality he never approved even one National Guard soldier, and Pence had to usurp the President’s role and call in the troops.
dv said:
Pence had to usurp the President’s role and call in the troops.
¡¡¡ TREASON !!!
There’s been a bit of philosophical opposition in the US news outlets to “being one of those countries that throws former leaders in prison”.
But that’s just called being a country with laws. Berlusconi got a custodial sentence for tax fraud (commuted to community service on account of his advanced age). Former French PM Francois Fillon got a prison sentence for fraud. Former Iceland PM Geir Haarde was prosecuted for negligence in office. Former Japanese PM Kakuei Tanaka went to prison in relation to a bribery scandal. Former President of Sicily Salvatore Cuffaro did five years in prison for Mafia-related crimes. Right here in WA former Premier Brian Burke went away on corruption charges. Former Korean president Lee Myung-bak got 17 years in prison on corruption charges.
You want to be a country where former leaders get fair treatment under the law.
dv said:
There’s been a bit of philosophical opposition in the US news outlets to “being one of those countries that throws former leaders in prison”.
But that’s just called being a country with laws. Berlusconi got a custodial sentence for tax fraud (commuted to community service on account of his advanced age). Former French PM Francois Fillon got a prison sentence for fraud. Former Iceland PM Geir Haarde was prosecuted for negligence in office. Former Japanese PM Kakuei Tanaka went to prison in relation to a bribery scandal. Former President of Sicily Salvatore Cuffaro did five years in prison for Mafia-related crimes. Right here in WA former Premier Brian Burke went away on corruption charges. Former Korean president Lee Myung-bak got 17 years in prison on corruption charges. You want to be a country where former leaders get fair treatment under the law.
Absolutely.
dv said:
U S A
dv said:
Fuck The Great Firewall
Has Joe got a cunning plan by caving into China and now not wanting Pelosi to go to Formosa or has he played it badly and given a hand up to those who want to Make America Great Again?
Peak Warming Man said:
Has Joe got a cunning plan by caving into China and now not wanting Pelosi to go to Formosa or has he played it badly and given a hand up to those who want to Make America Great Again?
IDK. Possibly just worried about further trade trouble in these difficult times?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Has Joe got a cunning plan by caving into China and now not wanting Pelosi to go to Formosa or has he played it badly and given a hand up to those who want to Make America Great Again?
IDK. Possibly just worried about further trade trouble in these difficult times?
Nobody Could Have Foreseen Any Of This
The United States economy has unexpectedly contracted in the second quarter, with consumer spending growing at its slowest pace in two years and business spending declining, raising speculation the economy is on the cusp of a recession.
Elon dropping straight Marxism now. He’s a complex man.
dv said:
Elon dropping straight Marxism now. He’s a complex man.
He does love him some state given lucre.
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Post
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
dv said:
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
i do not believe.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
i do not believe.
I’d like to see copies of all the memos saying that information should be backed up with the memos alerting staff to the upcoming switch over. in fact everyone who had any relationship to DC/presidential service should hand over all their phones.
dv said:
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
how convenient
party_pants said:
dv said:
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
how convenient
and yet these are the people you go to when you want to get to find out what deleted messages on people’s phones said.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
how convenient
and yet these are the people you go to when you want to get to find out what deleted messages on people’s phones said.
they should probably have a law that works on a presumption that if the messages are not recoverable they have been intentionally deleted to destroy the evidence.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:how convenient
and yet these are the people you go to when you want to get to find out what deleted messages on people’s phones said.
they should probably have a law that works on a presumption that if the messages are not recoverable they have been intentionally deleted to destroy the evidence.
it all seems like it so much more convuluted and evil and nasty than ‘I didn’t have sex with that woman.’
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Key texts between Trump DHS officials before Jan. 6 missing -Wash Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post-2022-07-29/
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2022-07-28/key-texts-between-trump-dhs-officials-before-jan-6-missing-wash-post
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Text messages between two top security officials from the Donald Trump administration for a key period before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol are missing, the Washington Post said, citing unnamed people familiar with the matter.
Messages between acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli, the department’s top officals at the time, were lost “in a ‘reset’ of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021,” the newspaper said.
how convenient
and yet these are the people you go to when you want to get to find out what deleted messages on people’s phones said.
Perhaps they could get those Fleet Street journos who hacked into that dead girl’s phone on the case…
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYo
Who are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
https://andrewdmartin.wustl.edu/files/2019/01/The-Median-Justice-on-the-U.S.-Supreme-Court-2kym5ps.pdf
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
Heh
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
Heh
didja see the juice media ad?
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
Heh
I actually meant it in both meanings.
Kavanagh is the middle, the black bloke is the Righteous Brother, the other rightys are somewhere between the two. It was all pretty average.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sibeen said:That was pretty average.
Heh
didja see the juice media ad?
Uh… I don’t know what that is so maybe not
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Heh
didja see the juice media ad?
Uh… I don’t know what that is so maybe not
oh you know..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5LaLT2BJM
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:didja see the juice media ad?
Uh… I don’t know what that is so maybe not
oh you know..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5LaLT2BJM
There’s also a PG version of the same ad (in case you need to show it to ‘sensitive’ viewers) –
https://www.thejuicemedia.com/honest-government-ad-us-supreme-court-pg/
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
Don’t be mean.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
Don’t be mean.
Ha ha.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/LAUhhQC-HYoWho are the median justices in the US Supreme Court?
That was pretty average.
Don’t be mean.
famous last words in there
But they may have limits on how far to the right they’re willing to go.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:That was pretty average.
Don’t be mean.
Ha ha.
so what we’re all saying is that they’re all model citizens
https://youtu.be/gbkK014y3jY
Criminal probe into coup attempt
Graphical summary of Trump’s seven pronged plan
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
in comments…
radioactivechimp
2 hours ago
This almost happened in 1933 as well. “The Business Plot” almost had the military led by Smedley Butler overthrow FDR. It is believed that major banks had a role in financing it (as well as Prescott Bush)
annbph
2 hours ago
True
annbph
2 hours ago
Read up on Religious Fascism
Art
2 hours ago
Koch and Mercer money supported the latest Coup attempt.
Scott Grammer
2 hours ago
Wow! Thanks, radioactivechimp. You taught me something I didn’t know. Now I have something to study up on this weekend. I’ll have to buy a new ink cartridge (I like to study off of paper, not a screen).
radioactivechimp
2 hours ago
@Scott Grammer Smedley Butler also wrote a book called “War is a Racket” that may explain the sentiment that some veterans had that fueled their anger towards the government.
Irisheddy
2 hours ago
Major General Butler did his part to stop the plot. They were trying buy him off but Butler put the country first.
Christine Fury
1 hour ago
My U.S. history teacher made the same comparison!
James McCracken
1 hour ago
Wow . Didn’t know about this about to look it up.
Thomas K
1 hour ago
@annbph
I hate homework.😔
Jon Boz
1 hour ago
“The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking TRUE Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow F.D.R.” by Jules Archer
Joshua Sweetvale
1 hour ago
@radioactivechimp To be clear: When Prescott Bush et al’s representative came to Butler for a 3rd and final meeting, Butler laughed in their face and told them he’d gather people to stop the coup.
Then Butler went to the feds. :D
Kevin Cloud
1 hour ago
Interesting I have never turned of that.
YTV01
1 hour ago
Yeah and that attempted had fascists undertones like this one, the ultra rich and corporations becoming one with the state
John Galt009
56 minutes ago
💯 %.
Good ol’ Bushes… regular pips. And then there was The Big Event. And then the next Big Event.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
in comments…
radioactivechimp
2 hours ago
This almost happened in 1933 as well. “The Business Plot” almost had the military led by Smedley Butler overthrow FDR. It is believed that major banks had a role in financing it (as well as Prescott Bush)annbph
2 hours ago
Trueannbph
2 hours ago
Read up on Religious FascismArt
2 hours ago
Koch and Mercer money supported the latest Coup attempt.Scott Grammer
2 hours ago
Wow! Thanks, radioactivechimp. You taught me something I didn’t know. Now I have something to study up on this weekend. I’ll have to buy a new ink cartridge (I like to study off of paper, not a screen).radioactivechimp
2 hours ago @Scott Grammer Smedley Butler also wrote a book called “War is a Racket” that may explain the sentiment that some veterans had that fueled their anger towards the government.Irisheddy
2 hours ago
Major General Butler did his part to stop the plot. They were trying buy him off but Butler put the country first.Christine Fury
1 hour ago
My U.S. history teacher made the same comparison!James McCracken
1 hour ago
Wow . Didn’t know about this about to look it up.Thomas K
1 hour ago @annbph
I hate homework.😔Jon Boz
1 hour ago
“The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking TRUE Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow F.D.R.” by Jules ArcherJoshua Sweetvale
1 hour ago @radioactivechimp To be clear: When Prescott Bush et al’s representative came to Butler for a 3rd and final meeting, Butler laughed in their face and told them he’d gather people to stop the coup.
Then Butler went to the feds. :DKevin Cloud
1 hour ago
Interesting I have never turned of that.YTV01
1 hour ago
Yeah and that attempted had fascists undertones like this one, the ultra rich and corporations becoming one with the stateJohn Galt009
56 minutes ago
💯 %.
Good ol’ Bushes… regular pips. And then there was The Big Event. And then the next Big Event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
ta. i did not know about that.
January 6, 2021: Then-president Donald Trump attempted a coup according to Congressman Bennie Thompson, Chair of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack. Several intelligence agencies for NATO countries also described the events as an attempted coup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts_by_country#United_States
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
What is the precis on this? Are they saying there was nearly a military coup on Jan 6?
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
What is the precis on this? Are they saying there was nearly a military coup on Jan 6?
no. it was before jan 6 and it was trump trying to get the military to seize voting machines.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
What is the precis on this? Are they saying there was nearly a military coup on Jan 6?
no. it was before jan 6 and it was trump trying to get the military to seize voting machines.
Oh, OK. I’m assuming the military said no :)
Everything I have read about the militaries response to the whole scene has been generally (sic) very positive.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:What is the precis on this? Are they saying there was nearly a military coup on Jan 6?
no. it was before jan 6 and it was trump trying to get the military to seize voting machines.
Oh, OK. I’m assuming the military said no :)
Everything I have read about the militaries response to the whole scene has been generally (sic) very positive.
I don’t think it got to the stage of asking the military. they got advice that going down that track was foolhardy and criminal. so the jan 6 “plot” to use citizens was born.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:What is the precis on this? Are they saying there was nearly a military coup on Jan 6?
no. it was before jan 6 and it was trump trying to get the military to seize voting machines.
Oh, OK. I’m assuming the military said no :)
Everything I have read about the militaries response to the whole scene has been generally (sic) very positive.
There were several strands Trump was pushing to try to overturn the vote. Getting the military to seize voting machines was just one of them. The others included getting the states to overturn the votes of their own people, corrupting the electoral college voters, having the VP and Senators object to votes being counted from some states, having the DOJ declare certain votes fraudulent. Pretty much on all of them the people approached refused to participate, not just the military.
The last resort seems to have been mob violence to stop the process going through the Congress.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump’s Criminal Intent Exposed: How Jan. 6 Plan Emerged From Military Coup Plot (MSNBC Pt 1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MKYjr42Fo
What is the precis on this? Are they saying there was nearly a military coup on Jan 6?
It’s a fairly brief video so you probably don’t need a precis but briefly, yes. The Trump team’s final stage plans included a military coup.
Trump: “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11”
Donald Trump defended hosting a Saudi-funded tournament at his golf course by casting doubt on any connection between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 9/11 first responder John Feal joins Katie Phang to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbqlciaUGE
sarahs mum said:
Trump: “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11”Donald Trump defended hosting a Saudi-funded tournament at his golf course by casting doubt on any connection between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 9/11 first responder John Feal joins Katie Phang to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbqlciaUGE
It still baffles me that anyone of any political stripe other that genuine tin foiler wants to be associated with this dingdong but there we are.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11”Donald Trump defended hosting a Saudi-funded tournament at his golf course by casting doubt on any connection between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 9/11 first responder John Feal joins Katie Phang to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbqlciaUGE
It still baffles me that anyone of any political stripe other that genuine tin foiler wants to be associated with this dingdong but there we are.
what you said.
and that includes koch’s et al. Long term an autocrat might not be giving those types what they want.
and it appears that roughly half of the American people don’t actually want a democracy at all at all.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11”Donald Trump defended hosting a Saudi-funded tournament at his golf course by casting doubt on any connection between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 9/11 first responder John Feal joins Katie Phang to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbqlciaUGE
It still baffles me that anyone of any political stripe other that genuine tin foiler wants to be associated with this dingdong but there we are.
I saw some clip on YouTube yesterday which suggested that the Murdoch Camp are ready to ditch Trump in favour of some other potential GOP candidate. If that happens I guess he is finished. They can turn on him use the January 6 stuff as justification. I can’t remember to other’s guy’s name right now.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11”Donald Trump defended hosting a Saudi-funded tournament at his golf course by casting doubt on any connection between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 9/11 first responder John Feal joins Katie Phang to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbqlciaUGE
It still baffles me that anyone of any political stripe other that genuine tin foiler wants to be associated with this dingdong but there we are.
I saw some clip on YouTube yesterday which suggested that the Murdoch Camp are ready to ditch Trump in favour of some other potential GOP candidate. If that happens I guess he is finished. They can turn on him use the January 6 stuff as justification. I can’t remember to other’s guy’s name right now.
Probably Ron de Santis. Ultraconservative, bit of an arsehole really, but probably not going to leak secure information to the Russians or stage a violent coup.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11”Donald Trump defended hosting a Saudi-funded tournament at his golf course by casting doubt on any connection between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. 9/11 first responder John Feal joins Katie Phang to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tbqlciaUGE
It still baffles me that anyone of any political stripe other that genuine tin foiler wants to be associated with this dingdong but there we are.
I saw some clip on YouTube yesterday which suggested that the Murdoch Camp are ready to ditch Trump in favour of some other potential GOP candidate. If that happens I guess he is finished. They can turn on him use the January 6 stuff as justification. I can’t remember to other’s guy’s name right now.
Seems to me that murdoch is only changing horses midstream because this horse is sunk. The Cmte have been laying their hand down and it is looking like a fair hand.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:It still baffles me that anyone of any political stripe other that genuine tin foiler wants to be associated with this dingdong but there we are.
I saw some clip on YouTube yesterday which suggested that the Murdoch Camp are ready to ditch Trump in favour of some other potential GOP candidate. If that happens I guess he is finished. They can turn on him use the January 6 stuff as justification. I can’t remember to other’s guy’s name right now.
Probably Ron de Santis. Ultraconservative, bit of an arsehole really, but probably not going to leak secure information to the Russians or stage a violent coup.
that’s him.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I saw some clip on YouTube yesterday which suggested that the Murdoch Camp are ready to ditch Trump in favour of some other potential GOP candidate. If that happens I guess he is finished. They can turn on him use the January 6 stuff as justification. I can’t remember to other’s guy’s name right now.
Probably Ron de Santis. Ultraconservative, bit of an arsehole really, but probably not going to leak secure information to the Russians or stage a violent coup.
that’s him.
Governor of Florida. Nutjob.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Probably Ron de Santis. Ultraconservative, bit of an arsehole really, but probably not going to leak secure information to the Russians or stage a violent coup.
that’s him.
Governor of Florida. Nutjob.
Probably. But my point being that if Camp Murdoch switch to backing him then Trump is done
Opinion Let’s say Biden isn’t the nominee. Here’s who runs — and wins.
By Drew Goins
Assistant editor
July 29, 2022 at 7:00 a.m. EDT
The kids don’t like Biden! No one likes Biden! Biden has covid! Biden is old!
Well, President Biden is who we’ve got, and he’s who the Democrats have got going into 2024. Unless …
Given Biden’s drawbacks and all the talk about the possibility of his not seeking reelection (including, perhaps, his own — does he still consider himself a “transition” president?), it’s time to turn the Post Pundit Power Ranking’s attention to who might run if Biden doesn’t.
This week, each columnist on the Ranking Committee voted for the politicians they thought most likely to win the Democratic nomination. I tallied the votes to find the nine likeliest nominees. Then the columnists peppered the resulting list with their commentary.
Mind you, our rankers ruled not one month ago that Biden probably will run. But why should that stop a pundit from having a little fun? Read on!
1 Vice President Harris
The best argument for Biden to run again is that Harris will be the likely Democratic nominee if he doesn’t. Even if her lame-duck boss didn’t endorse her, the nomination would be Harris’s to lose, assuming she could lock down Black support. But Harris has shown herself more than capable of blowing it: Her 2020 bid was a debacle, she churns through staff faster and harder than anyone in politics, she speaks in word salad, and she’s failed at most of the tasks she’s been assigned as vice president. — James Hohmann
Early in the Democratic primary for 2020, I considered Harris to be Donald Trump’s toughest potential opponent. But her impressive performances in early debates and at Judiciary Committee hearings for Trump’s Supreme Court nominees were apparently due to effective coaching by a solid staff. Since becoming vice president, Harris’s lack of gravitas and slapdash preparation have become painfully obvious. Her current office gives her an entree into the presidential discussion, but the conversation won’t last long. — Gary Abernathy
Harris is charmless, gaffe-prone and not particularly beloved by voters, but she is the sitting vice president, and she will have to get serious consideration — particularly given the terrible optics of pushing a Black woman aside in favor of someone else. — Megan McArdle
It would be shocking if the incumbent vice president didn’t run. What may be novel for an incumbent vice president is that her run would probably entail a full-blown primary fight. This would not be a coronation, in part because many in the party doubt Harris’s electability. Moreover, one rationale for Biden not running would be that it is time to turn the page to a new generation of leaders. You can’t very well turn the page with a sitting veep. — Jennifer Rubin
The fact remains: A sitting vice president will be very hard to beat. Harris would start with a solid base among strong Biden supporters. As a woman of color, she’s well positioned to solidify and broaden that base appeal once she’s more in the spotlight. Her stature would immediately shoot up in the party once she stepped into the role of Biden’s presumed successor. And that would give her a particular boost in monopolizing a lot of fundraising money and media attention. — Greg Sargent
2 Pete Buttigieg
Nobody is smarter, nobody is better in a debate. The deficiencies that hampered Buttigieg in 2020 — he was so young, he had never run anything bigger than a small Midwestern city — are taken care of. And he is a member of a persecuted minority who can inspire the base but who also has the Obama-like ability to come across to the majority as non-angry and nonthreatening. — Eugene Robinson
The transportation secretary at times seems to be one of two members of Team Biden who can actually hit the Sunday TV show softballs thrown his way. (Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo is the other.) He’s still smooth as silk on air and online, and he has a campaign in waiting. Democrats need someone who can win arguments, not sputter through cliches and talking points, all while being under 60. — Hugh Hewitt
It’s hard to imagine a former mayor of Indiana’s fourth-largest city becoming the Democratic standard-bearer, but the 40-year-old has a loyal following, demonstrated the ability to run a strong campaign in 2020 (he was robbed in Iowa) and offers a youthful contrast to the gerontocracy that now controls the capital. — James Hohmann
Buttigieg’s skill at defusing right-wing talking points will come in handy in a race that will be deluged with them from the start. Plus, he’s already been ahead of Biden in some key polls, and his twins would make adorable campaign surrogates. — Christine Emba
Buttigieg has been running for president since he was in the cradle. Can his boyish charm overcome his relative lack of political experience? Possibly, given a lackluster field of competitors. — Megan McArdle
3 Gov. Gavin Newsom (Calif.)
Given his state’s makeup, Newsom is free to sign all kinds of progressive legislation, contrasting the national party’s failures. Importantly, he’s using that to show how states can fight back against Supreme Court decisions on guns and abortion, which will appeal to Democratic voters angered and scared by the court. Newsom’s talent for trolling Republicans shows a grasp of social media that’s essential in any candidate of the future, too. Democrats, however, may find it hard to nominate another White man. — Greg Sargent
I’m a Newsom skeptic in the general election; a Democratic governor from a deep-blue state is always going to struggle. That’s particularly true of Newsom, because California’s covid policies won’t play well among a whole lot of voters. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be a contender in the primary. — Megan McArdle
California is ungovernable: homelessness, a crime epidemic, a public-pension cliff. Yet somehow Newsom has turned back both a recall and responsibility for the mess. In fact, he earns praise for merely keeping the state afloat. He’s got political “curb appeal” as well, and tons of fundraising experience. Democrats desperate for a winner will look to Sacramento, not to the Californian who sits down the hall from Biden. — Hugh Hewitt
Newsom is the sitting governor of the largest state and has ties with many Democratic donors — but he shares a lot of that potential support with Harris. If many California Democrats plunk for Newsom over her, that’s a terrible sign for her chances. — Henry Olsen
Since I was slightly ahead of the curve on the Newsom boomlet, I include a link to my April 6 column here. — E.J. Dionne Jr.
4 Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (Mich.)
If Biden doesn’t run (and I really think he won’t), hypothetically, the party’s strongest candidate would be Whitmer, a female governor with a national profile from a Midwestern state. She’s media savvy and has a record to run on. Only one person pushes every button. Nearly being kidnapped by crazy extremists doesn’t hurt, either. — Matt Bai
5 Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.)
Since Biden’s election, Klobuchar has been highly visible on key issues. She seems to know that she needs to improve her standing with the party’s progressive wing, which could be the major barrier to her nomination. Midwestern is good, and she could provide the right mix of continuity and change from Biden. — E.J. Dionne Jr.
Klobuchar checks a lot of boxes. She ran and debated on the national stage in 2020. She represents the heartland, which Democrats sorely need to win presidential elections. And she is exceptionally qualified. She’s been in the thick of issues such as voting rights and antitrust and social media company regulation. — Jennifer Rubin
6 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.)
To dismiss the 32-year-old New York congresswoman as a leading contender for president is to discount her obvious ambition, the appeal she holds for the expanding far-left wing of her party, and the ongoing political upheaval that led to nontraditional candidates such as Trump and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). AOC is a media darling and social media superstar with a knack for getting attention. She’s intelligent and well-spoken and a perfect fit for the selfie generation. In a culture that demonizes older leaders like never before, she’ll be just old enough, constitutionally, to be sworn in on Jan. 20, 2025. — Gary Abernathy
She’s popular, energetic and visibly fed up with the Biden administration. Most Democrats have said outright that they’ll support Biden if he runs for president. AOC has not. Does that mean she plans to run? Not necessarily, but … — Christine Emba
Why not run? There’s no obvious young progressive to displace her, and the party’s volunteer and small-dollar donor energy is found in her strongest demographics. If she fails, she’ll still be a huge Democratic power broker, having magnified the lists and contacts she already has. And if she does well but comes up short, she’d be an obvious VP for anyone except Harris. — Henry Olsen
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Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (Ga.)
I know Warnock doesn’t make all the lists right now, but the party doesn’t have a better communicator or one who can speak to more of its constituencies. He’ll get a lot of buzz if he wins reelection this year, and maybe even if he doesn’t. — Matt Bai
8
Sen. Cory Booker* (N.J.)
I’m cheating a bit here: My vote goes to Cory Booker … or Chris Murphy. They are allies, and I have a hunch that if one runs, the other won’t. Booker’s voice grew stronger as the 2020 nomination battle went on, and he has championed important causes, especially the child tax credit. Meanwhile, Sen. Murphy of Connecticut is a substantive media star and an important voice on many of the most important policy fights (especially gun safety), and he could pull together the party’s center and left. — E.J. Dionne Jr.
9 Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio)
Brown would be up for reelection in 2024, and he might decide that if he has to fight tooth and nail in red Ohio, he might as well fight tooth and nail for the whole enchilada. Plus, he knows how to frame highly progressive policies in a way that connects with both the Democratic base and “woke”-skeptical independents. — Eugene Robinson
10 The others
Gov. Roy Cooper (N.C.). Cooper was elected and reelected on the same days in 2016 and 2020 that Trump carried North Carolina, and he has shown competence and deftness while dealing with a hostile GOP legislature. That experience with divided government and proven ability to win in a reddish-purple state would make him a formidable nominee. — James Hohmann
Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio). That is, if he’s Sen. Tim Ryan by then. — Jennifer Rubin
Gov. Tim Walz (Minn.). He signed criminal justice reform after George Floyd’s murder and is turning Minnesota into a sanctuary for women from neighboring states who cannot get abortions. He’d be a long shot, but the nominee could very well be someone most Democrats haven’t heard of yet. — James Hohmann
… Plus a few other names clanking around: Raimondo, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate (and state attorney general) Josh Shapiro, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis and Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.).
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So that answers the second-biggest question in Washington! At least kinda!
The biggest? Who runs if Trump doesn’t, obviously. But you’ll have to wait until next week for that one. See you then!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/29/democratic-nominee-biden-doesnt-run-2024/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Opinion Let’s say Biden isn’t the nominee. Here’s who runs — and wins.By Drew Goins
Assistant editor
July 29, 2022 at 7:00 a.m. EDTThe kids don’t like Biden! No one likes Biden! Biden has covid! Biden is old!
Well, President Biden is who we’ve got, and he’s who the Democrats have got going into 2024. Unless …
Given Biden’s drawbacks and all the talk about the possibility of his not seeking reelection (including, perhaps, his own — does he still consider himself a “transition” president?), it’s time to turn the Post Pundit Power Ranking’s attention to who might run if Biden doesn’t.
This week, each columnist on the Ranking Committee voted for the politicians they thought most likely to win the Democratic nomination. I tallied the votes to find the nine likeliest nominees. Then the columnists peppered the resulting list with their commentary.
Mind you, our rankers ruled not one month ago that Biden probably will run. But why should that stop a pundit from having a little fun? Read on!
1 Vice President Harris
The best argument for Biden to run again is that Harris will be the likely Democratic nominee if he doesn’t. Even if her lame-duck boss didn’t endorse her, the nomination would be Harris’s to lose, assuming she could lock down Black support. But Harris has shown herself more than capable of blowing it: Her 2020 bid was a debacle, she churns through staff faster and harder than anyone in politics, she speaks in word salad, and she’s failed at most of the tasks she’s been assigned as vice president. — James Hohmann
Early in the Democratic primary for 2020, I considered Harris to be Donald Trump’s toughest potential opponent. But her impressive performances in early debates and at Judiciary Committee hearings for Trump’s Supreme Court nominees were apparently due to effective coaching by a solid staff. Since becoming vice president, Harris’s lack of gravitas and slapdash preparation have become painfully obvious. Her current office gives her an entree into the presidential discussion, but the conversation won’t last long. — Gary Abernathy
Harris is charmless, gaffe-prone and not particularly beloved by voters, but she is the sitting vice president, and she will have to get serious consideration — particularly given the terrible optics of pushing a Black woman aside in favor of someone else. — Megan McArdle
It would be shocking if the incumbent vice president didn’t run. What may be novel for an incumbent vice president is that her run would probably entail a full-blown primary fight. This would not be a coronation, in part because many in the party doubt Harris’s electability. Moreover, one rationale for Biden not running would be that it is time to turn the page to a new generation of leaders. You can’t very well turn the page with a sitting veep. — Jennifer Rubin
The fact remains: A sitting vice president will be very hard to beat. Harris would start with a solid base among strong Biden supporters. As a woman of color, she’s well positioned to solidify and broaden that base appeal once she’s more in the spotlight. Her stature would immediately shoot up in the party once she stepped into the role of Biden’s presumed successor. And that would give her a particular boost in monopolizing a lot of fundraising money and media attention. — Greg Sargent
2 Pete Buttigieg
Nobody is smarter, nobody is better in a debate. The deficiencies that hampered Buttigieg in 2020 — he was so young, he had never run anything bigger than a small Midwestern city — are taken care of. And he is a member of a persecuted minority who can inspire the base but who also has the Obama-like ability to come across to the majority as non-angry and nonthreatening. — Eugene Robinson
The transportation secretary at times seems to be one of two members of Team Biden who can actually hit the Sunday TV show softballs thrown his way. (Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo is the other.) He’s still smooth as silk on air and online, and he has a campaign in waiting. Democrats need someone who can win arguments, not sputter through cliches and talking points, all while being under 60. — Hugh Hewitt
It’s hard to imagine a former mayor of Indiana’s fourth-largest city becoming the Democratic standard-bearer, but the 40-year-old has a loyal following, demonstrated the ability to run a strong campaign in 2020 (he was robbed in Iowa) and offers a youthful contrast to the gerontocracy that now controls the capital. — James Hohmann
Buttigieg’s skill at defusing right-wing talking points will come in handy in a race that will be deluged with them from the start. Plus, he’s already been ahead of Biden in some key polls, and his twins would make adorable campaign surrogates. — Christine Emba
Buttigieg has been running for president since he was in the cradle. Can his boyish charm overcome his relative lack of political experience? Possibly, given a lackluster field of competitors. — Megan McArdle
3 Gov. Gavin Newsom (Calif.)
Given his state’s makeup, Newsom is free to sign all kinds of progressive legislation, contrasting the national party’s failures. Importantly, he’s using that to show how states can fight back against Supreme Court decisions on guns and abortion, which will appeal to Democratic voters angered and scared by the court. Newsom’s talent for trolling Republicans shows a grasp of social media that’s essential in any candidate of the future, too. Democrats, however, may find it hard to nominate another White man. — Greg Sargent
I’m a Newsom skeptic in the general election; a Democratic governor from a deep-blue state is always going to struggle. That’s particularly true of Newsom, because California’s covid policies won’t play well among a whole lot of voters. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be a contender in the primary. — Megan McArdle
California is ungovernable: homelessness, a crime epidemic, a public-pension cliff. Yet somehow Newsom has turned back both a recall and responsibility for the mess. In fact, he earns praise for merely keeping the state afloat. He’s got political “curb appeal” as well, and tons of fundraising experience. Democrats desperate for a winner will look to Sacramento, not to the Californian who sits down the hall from Biden. — Hugh Hewitt
Newsom is the sitting governor of the largest state and has ties with many Democratic donors — but he shares a lot of that potential support with Harris. If many California Democrats plunk for Newsom over her, that’s a terrible sign for her chances. — Henry Olsen
Since I was slightly ahead of the curve on the Newsom boomlet, I include a link to my April 6 column here. — E.J. Dionne Jr.
4 Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (Mich.)
If Biden doesn’t run (and I really think he won’t), hypothetically, the party’s strongest candidate would be Whitmer, a female governor with a national profile from a Midwestern state. She’s media savvy and has a record to run on. Only one person pushes every button. Nearly being kidnapped by crazy extremists doesn’t hurt, either. — Matt Bai
5 Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.)
Since Biden’s election, Klobuchar has been highly visible on key issues. She seems to know that she needs to improve her standing with the party’s progressive wing, which could be the major barrier to her nomination. Midwestern is good, and she could provide the right mix of continuity and change from Biden. — E.J. Dionne Jr.
Klobuchar checks a lot of boxes. She ran and debated on the national stage in 2020. She represents the heartland, which Democrats sorely need to win presidential elections. And she is exceptionally qualified. She’s been in the thick of issues such as voting rights and antitrust and social media company regulation. — Jennifer Rubin
6 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.)
To dismiss the 32-year-old New York congresswoman as a leading contender for president is to discount her obvious ambition, the appeal she holds for the expanding far-left wing of her party, and the ongoing political upheaval that led to nontraditional candidates such as Trump and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). AOC is a media darling and social media superstar with a knack for getting attention. She’s intelligent and well-spoken and a perfect fit for the selfie generation. In a culture that demonizes older leaders like never before, she’ll be just old enough, constitutionally, to be sworn in on Jan. 20, 2025. — Gary Abernathy
She’s popular, energetic and visibly fed up with the Biden administration. Most Democrats have said outright that they’ll support Biden if he runs for president. AOC has not. Does that mean she plans to run? Not necessarily, but … — Christine Emba
Why not run? There’s no obvious young progressive to displace her, and the party’s volunteer and small-dollar donor energy is found in her strongest demographics. If she fails, she’ll still be a huge Democratic power broker, having magnified the lists and contacts she already has. And if she does well but comes up short, she’d be an obvious VP for anyone except Harris. — Henry Olsen
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Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (Ga.)I know Warnock doesn’t make all the lists right now, but the party doesn’t have a better communicator or one who can speak to more of its constituencies. He’ll get a lot of buzz if he wins reelection this year, and maybe even if he doesn’t. — Matt Bai
8
Sen. Cory Booker* (N.J.)I’m cheating a bit here: My vote goes to Cory Booker … or Chris Murphy. They are allies, and I have a hunch that if one runs, the other won’t. Booker’s voice grew stronger as the 2020 nomination battle went on, and he has championed important causes, especially the child tax credit. Meanwhile, Sen. Murphy of Connecticut is a substantive media star and an important voice on many of the most important policy fights (especially gun safety), and he could pull together the party’s center and left. — E.J. Dionne Jr.
9 Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio)
Brown would be up for reelection in 2024, and he might decide that if he has to fight tooth and nail in red Ohio, he might as well fight tooth and nail for the whole enchilada. Plus, he knows how to frame highly progressive policies in a way that connects with both the Democratic base and “woke”-skeptical independents. — Eugene Robinson
10 The others
Gov. Roy Cooper (N.C.). Cooper was elected and reelected on the same days in 2016 and 2020 that Trump carried North Carolina, and he has shown competence and deftness while dealing with a hostile GOP legislature. That experience with divided government and proven ability to win in a reddish-purple state would make him a formidable nominee. — James Hohmann
Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio). That is, if he’s Sen. Tim Ryan by then. — Jennifer Rubin
Gov. Tim Walz (Minn.). He signed criminal justice reform after George Floyd’s murder and is turning Minnesota into a sanctuary for women from neighboring states who cannot get abortions. He’d be a long shot, but the nominee could very well be someone most Democrats haven’t heard of yet. — James Hohmann
… Plus a few other names clanking around: Raimondo, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate (and state attorney general) Josh Shapiro, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis and Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.).
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So that answers the second-biggest question in Washington! At least kinda!
The biggest? Who runs if Trump doesn’t, obviously. But you’ll have to wait until next week for that one. See you then!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/29/democratic-nominee-biden-doesnt-run-2024/?
Pete B. would be the obvious, almost ideal, choice out of that list, over Kamala Harris who really is a mess of a politician and who has the disadvantages of not being a white person AND being female (the US electorate might tolerate one or the other these days, but not both as yet).
Pete does have one disadvantage. HE. IS. GAY.
There goes the conservative religious vote out the window. Gone. Never made it to the starting line. So very much would be made of this aspect in the dirty election campaigning that the vast uninformed majority of Americans who can be bothered to get off their arses to vote (where their State governments haven’t made it nearly impossible) will become convinced that a vote for Pete is a vote for Satan himself.
Remember, just a couple of years ago, Democrats up to and including Hilary Clinton were ‘suspected’ by armies of ratbag ‘Republicans’ of being part of a cabal who not only abused literal herds of children, but who regularly ATE them. The same people promote the idea that the Democrats’ top agenda item is to ‘turn your children gay’.
How are you going to get a majority of Americans to vote for anyone who is openly gay?
captain_spalding said:
Remember, just a couple of years ago, Democrats up to and including Hilary Clinton were ‘suspected’ by armies of ratbag ‘Republicans’ of being part of a cabal who not only abused literal herds of children, but who regularly ATE them. The same people promote the idea that the Democrats’ top agenda item is to ‘turn your children gay’.
How are you going to get a majority of Americans to vote for anyone who is openly gay?
They need a good counter-conspiracy. Something along the lines that the Republicans and Big Business are plotting to abolish democracy and reintroduce slavery or some form serfdom where individuals become the property of the companies they work for, or something bizarre like that. Work in the kooky biblical prophecy stuff stuff like they plan to abolish cash and have all the people wear the mark of the beast (via digital implant) – and it might even scare off a few of the Rapture Ready crowd from voting Republican.
Surely these law-and-order fans will like someone with a law enforcement such as Harris
dv said:
Surely these law-and-order fans will like someone with a law enforcement such as Harris
The general concensus has been that KH has been underwhelming as VP. How would you rate her personally DV?
I must confess I know nothing much at all about KH.
party_pants said:
They need a good counter-conspiracy. Something along the lines that the Republicans and Big Business are plotting to abolish democracy and reintroduce slavery or some form serfdom where individuals become the property of the companies they work for, or something bizarre like that.
“…or something bizarre like that.”
Stop Ron DeSantis’ attack on the First Amendment!
Florida governor Ron DeSantis and his vile coven of theocratic zealots are going pedal to the metal in their hysterical, paranoid, and gleefully authoritarian efforts to stamp out any and all dissenting political thought.
Their latest assault on civil rights and the First Amendment is the passage of the “Stop WOKE Act,” which “makes it unlawful for Florida employers to require employees to undergo training or experience instruction that includes any of eight forbidden ‘concepts’ regarding race, sex, religion, or national origin.”
Call on the courts to throw out Ron DeSantis’ unconstitutional attempt to police speech in the workplace!
Under the new law, the discussion of white or male privilege is banned, as is any discussion of oppression — except if it isn’t an endorsement. Employers can tell their employees that white privilege doesn’t exist, but disagreeing with DeSantis is now illegal.
This is an outrageous attack on free speech that has already sparked lawsuits from Florida companies, one of which has been allowed to move forward. But it’s clear this is only the beginning of DeSantis’ efforts to entrench white supremacist ideology in our institutions and society — and that it’ll only get worse if we don’t vote them out once and for all!
Call on the courts to overturn Ron DeSantis’ attack on the First Amendment!
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/takeaction/976/201/730/
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Battles continue as “Stop WOKE Act” law takes effect
BY CBS MIAMI TEAM
UPDATED ON: JULY 1, 2022 / 3:40 PM / CBS/NEWS SERVICE OF FLORIDA
TALLAHASSEE – As a new state law dubbed the “Stop WOKE Act” took effect Friday, businesses and a university professor continued battling to block its restrictions on how race-related concepts can be addressed in workplace training and schools.
Businesses, including a franchisee of the Ben & Jerry’s ice-cream chain, asked a federal judge Thursday to issue a preliminary injunction against the law.
Meanwhile, a University of Central Florida professor continued to pursue a separate challenge.
In both cases, the plaintiffs argue the law, a priority of Gov. Ron DeSantis violates First Amendment rights.
“The act silences speech aimed at combating racism and sexism — speech that is vital to the plaintiffs’ operation of their businesses,” the preliminary-injunction motion filed Thursday by three businesses and an individual plaintiff said.
“The governor, and the Florida Legislature acting at his behest, has repeatedly sought to punish companies who have engaged in speech that displeases him, in flagrant violation of the First Amendment. Because Governor DeSantis is not a monarch, but rather a democratically elected official, the Stop WOKE Act cannot stand.”
The law (HB 7), which DeSantis signed April 22, spurred fierce debates before passing during this year’s legislative session.
DeSantis called it the “Stop Wrongs To Our Kids and Employees Act,” or Stop WOKE Act.
The law lists concepts that would constitute discrimination if they show up in classroom instruction or workplace training.
For example, it makes it illegal to compel people in workplace training to believe that an “individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the individual played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, sex, or national origin.”
When he signed the bill during a ceremony at a Hialeah Gardens charter school, DeSantis stood behind a placard that said “freedom from indoctrination.”
“We believe an important component of freedom in the state of Florida is the freedom from having oppressive ideologies imposed upon you without your consent, whether it be in the classroom or whether it be in the workplace. And we decided to do something about it,” DeSantis.
The law, like nearly 150 others that passed this year, took effect Friday.
Teachers, a student, a university professor, and a diversity consultant filed a lawsuit in April to challenge the constitutionality of the law. But Chief U.S. District Judge Mark Walker on Monday largely denied a request for a preliminary injunction because he said the teachers, students, and consultant did not have legal standing.
But Walker left unresolved issues related to Robert Cassanello, an associate history professor at the University of Central Florida, because the state university system’s Board of Governors was slated Thursday to take up a proposed rule that would help carry out the law.
Walker ordered attorneys on both sides to file briefs about whether the proposed rule could affect Cassanello’s legal standing.
The Board of Governors moved forward with the proposed rule Thursday and is expected to take it up again Aug. 26.
As of Friday morning, Walker had not ruled about whether Cassanello has standing to pursue the case, according to an online docket.
Meanwhile, businesses filed a second challenge June 22.
Their attorneys followed up Thursday with an amended version of the lawsuit and the motion for a preliminary injunction.
The amended lawsuit added as a plaintiff Primo Tampa, LLC, a Ben & Jerry’s franchisee.
The other plaintiffs are Honeyfund.com, Inc., a Clearwater-based technology company that provides wedding registries, and Chevara Orrin and her company, Collective Concepts, LLC.
Orrin and her company provide consulting and training to employers about issues such as diversity, equity, and inclusion.
The motion for a preliminary injunction said, for example, that Primo Tampa employees are required to attend monthly corporate training sessions provided by Ben & Jerry’s.
It said the law would force changes to the training sessions.
“Primo believes it is critical to educate its employees about implicit bias and the need for restorative justice so they can better understand its organizational culture, function more effectively as a team and provide true hospitality to customers,” said the motion, filed by attorneys from the national group Protect Democracy and the global law firm Ropes & Gray.
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/battles-continue-as-stop-woke-act-law-takes-effect/
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Yay DeSantis!
party_pants said:
I must confess I know nothing much at all about KH.
You won’t know a lot more if you watch this, but you may be amused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RbKStEFNT8
Randy Rainbow “Kamala!”
party_pants said:
I must confess I know nothing much at all about KH.
ah so she’s more like the won’t be easy candidate of the USSA or something
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Surely these law-and-order fans will like someone with a law enforcement such as Harris
The general concensus has been that KH has been underwhelming as VP. How would you rate her personally DV?
I mean the only actual job of the VP at this stage is to preside over the senate but given JB’s advanced years they should probably be leaning on her more to handle messaging. I don’t have any specific conplaints except that sometimes her use of levity seems misplaced.
party_pants said:
I must confess I know nothing much at all about KH.
She was California’s attorney general for quite a while. During the campaign she got a bit of flac from the Democrat left for being a bit too pro-police, including allowing them to selfregulate in terms of switching off body cameras.
dv said:
party_pants said:
I must confess I know nothing much at all about KH.
She was California’s attorney general for quite a while. During the campaign she got a bit of flac from the Democrat left for being a bit too pro-police, including allowing them to selfregulate in terms of switching off body cameras.
Fliegerabwehrkanone or Flugabwehrkanone = Flak.
captain_spalding said:
Wrong thread.
Again.
Donald Trump buried Ivan Trump at one of his golf courses for tax reasons i.e. so he doesn’t have to pay any.
https://imgur.com/gallery/szIJGeb
captain_spalding said:
Donald Trump buried Ivan Trump at one of his golf courses for tax reasons i.e. so he doesn’t have to pay any.https://imgur.com/gallery/szIJGeb
Ivana, not Ivan.
captain_spalding said:
Donald Trump buried Ivan Trump at one of his golf courses for tax reasons i.e. so he doesn’t have to pay any.https://imgur.com/gallery/szIJGeb
That is sad on so many levels.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Donald Trump buried Ivan Trump at one of his golf courses for tax reasons i.e. so he doesn’t have to pay any.https://imgur.com/gallery/szIJGeb
That is sad on so many levels.
Surely it’s genius though
and the condition is very stable.
I am becoming increasingly conspiratorial about this debacle:
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Homeland Security watchdog halted plan to recover Secret Service texts, records show
By Maria Sacchetti and Carol D. Leonnig
July 29, 2022 at 9:51 p.m. EDT
The Department of Homeland Security’s chief watchdog scrapped its investigative team’s effort to collect agency phones to try to recover deleted Secret Service texts this year, according to four people with knowledge of the decision and internal records reviewed by The Washington Post.
In early February, after learning that the Secret Service’s text messages had been erased as part of a migration to new devices, staff at Inspector General Joseph V. Cuffari’s office planned to contact all DHS agencies offering to have data specialists help retrieve messages from their phones, according to two government whistleblowers who provided reports to Congress.
But later that month, Cuffari’s office decided it would not collect or review any agency phones, according to three people briefed on the decision.
The latest revelation comes as Democratic lawmakers have accused Cuffari’s office of failing to aggressively investigate the agency’s actions in response to the violent attack on the Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump on Jan. 6, 2021.
Cuffari wrote a letter to the House and Senate Homeland Security committees this month saying the Secret Service’s text messages from the time of the attack had been “erased.” But he did not immediately disclose that his office first discovered that deletion in December and failed to alert lawmakers or examine the phones. Nor did he alert Congress that other text messages were missing, including those of the two top Trump appointees running the Department of Homeland Security during the final days of the administration.
Late Friday night, Cuffari’s spokesman issued a statement declining to comment on the new discovery.
“To preserve the integrity of our work and consistent with U.S. Attorney General guidelines, DHS OIG does not confirm the existence of or otherwise comment about ongoing reviews or criminal investigations, nor do we discuss our communications with Congress,” the statement read.
Cuffari, a former adviser to Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey ®, has been in his post since July 2019 after being nominated by Trump.
DHS spokeswoman Marsha Espinosa said the agency is cooperating with investigators and “looking into every avenue to recover text messages and other materials for the Jan. 6 investigations.”
After discovering that some of the text messages the watchdog sought had been deleted, the Federal Protective Service, a DHS agency that guards federal buildings, offered their phones to the inspector general’s investigators, saying they lacked the resources to recover lost texts and other records on their own, according to three people familiar with the plan who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive investigation.
A senior forensics analyst in the inspector general’s office took steps to collect the Federal Protective Service phones, the people said. But late on the night of Friday, Feb. 18, one of several deputies who report to Cuffari’s management team wrote an email to investigators instructing them not to take the phones and not to seek any data from them, according to a copy of an internal record that was shared with The Post.
Staff investigators also drafted a letter in late January and early February to all DHS agencies offering to help recover any text messages or other data that might have been lost. But Cuffari’s management team later changed that draft to say that if agencies could not retrieve phone messages for the Jan. 6 period, they “should provide a detailed list of unavailable data and the reason the information is unavailable,” the three people said.
Cuffari also learned in late February that text messages for the top two officials at DHS under the Trump administration on the day of the attack were missing, lost in a “reset” of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021, according to an internal record obtained by the Project on Government Oversight. But Cuffari did not press the department’s leadership to explain why they did not preserve these records, nor try to recover them, according to the four people briefed on the watchdog’s actions. Cuffari also did not alert Congress to the missing records.
These and other discrepancies prompted key Democrats scrutinizing the attack and the Department of Homeland Security to issue a subpoena to the Secret Service and to call for Cuffari to recuse himself from the investigation.
Reps. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), chair of the House Homeland Security Committee and the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack, and Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.), chair of the committee that oversees inspectors general, said in a letter to Cuffari on Tuesday that they “do not have confidence” that he can conduct the investigation.
Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, issued a statement Friday calling the missing messages “an extremely serious matter” and said he would ask the Justice Department to intervene.
“Inspector General Cuffari’s failure to take immediate action upon learning that these text messages had been deleted makes clear that he should no longer be entrusted with this investigation,” Durbin said in a statement. “That’s why I’m sending a letter today to Attorney General Garland asking him to step in and get to the bottom of what happened to these text messages and hold accountable those who are responsible.”
Cuffari was asked to answer the lawmakers by Aug. 9.
Cuffari opened a criminal investigation into the Secret Service’s missing text messages this month, one of dozens of inquiries his office does as part of its work overseeing the Department of Homeland Security, the nation’s third-largest agency. Many, including Democrats in Congress, viewed the timing and motive for the inquiry with suspicion, as Cuffari had not pushed to probe the fact that the records were deleted when he first learned of it months earlier. DHS encompasses agencies such as the Secret Service, the Federal Protective Service and immigration and border protection.
Three people briefed on his handling of the missing text messages painted a portrait of an office that faltered over how to handle the matter, even though they had highly skilled officials ready to attack the issue and federal agencies willing to cooperate.
A former senior executive at the inspector general’s office who left the agency this year said Cuffari’s office instructed the executive to call the agency’s top forensic expert on a Saturday early this year to tell him to “stand down” on pursuing the forensics work for the Secret Service’s phones.
“That was done at the direction of the inspector general’s front office,” the former senior executive said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they are no longer at the office.
Cuffari’s office has continued to issue reports and, on the day the lawmakers called for him to step aside, tweeted about awards that they had won for inspections. The awards are from the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, an independent executive agency that supports inspectors general.
In their letter, Thompson and Maloney asked the council to find a replacement for Cuffari on the investigation into the missing Secret Service texts.
The council said it could only help find a replacement if Cuffari decided to recuse himself and asked them for assistance finding a replacement, its executive director, Alan F. Boehm, said in an email.
Cuffari sent a letter to the House and Senate Homeland Security committees this month accusing the Secret Service of erasing text messages from the time around the assault on the Capitol and after he had asked for them for his own investigation.
The Secret Service denied maliciously erasing text messages and said the deletions were part of a preplanned “system migration” of its phones. They said none of the texts Cuffari’s office sought had disappeared.
The Federal Records Act and other laws require federal agencies to preserve government records, and it is a crime, punishable by fines and prison time, to willfully destroy government records.
In addition to the Secret Service, text messages for Trump acting homeland security secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli are missing for a key period leading up to the Jan. 6 attack, according to four people briefed on the matter and internal emails.
But Cuccinelli and Wolf both said they turned in their phones, as Wolf put it in a tweet, “fully loaded,” and said it was up to DHS to preserve their messages.
On Twitter, Wolf wrote: “I complied with all data retention laws and returned all my equipment fully loaded to the Department. Full stop. DHS has all my texts, emails, phone logs, schedules, etc. Any issues with missing data needs to be addressed to DHS.”
Cuccinelli, also on Twitter, said he handed in his phone before departing DHS and suggested that the agency “erased” his phone after he left.
The National Archives and Records Administration has sought more information on “the potential unauthorized deletion” of Secret Service text messages, but that inquiry could be delayed by Cuffari’s criminal investigation into the agency. The archives had no immediate comment Friday about Wolf and Cuccinelli’s text messages.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/29/homeland-inspector-general-texts/?
Secret Service’s ‘ludicrous’ deletion of Jan. 6 phone data baffles experts
Cybersecurity specialists said the agency bungled a routine task by telling agents to back up their own records, which is ‘not something any other organization would ever do’
By Drew Harwell, Will Oremus and Joseph Menn
Updated July 29, 2022 at 3:52 p.m. EDT|Published July 29, 2022 at 3:03 p.m. EDT
Cybersecurity experts and former government leaders are stunned by how poorly the Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security handled the preservation of officials’ text messages and other data from around Jan. 6, 2021, saying the top agencies entrusted with fighting cybercrime should never have bungled the simple task of backing up agents’ phones.
Experts are divided over whether the disappearance of phone data from around the time of the insurrection is a sign of incompetence, an intentional coverup, or some murkier middle ground. But the failure has raised suspicions about the disposition of records that could provide intimate details about what happened on that chaotic day, and whose preservation was mandated by federal law.
“This was the most singularly stressful day for the Secret Service since the attempted assassination of Reagan,” said Paul Rosenzweig, a senior policy official at the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration who’s now a cybersecurity consultant in Washington. “Why apparently was there no interest in preserving records for the purposes of doing an after-action review? It’s like we have a 9/11 attack and air traffic control wipes its records.”
Rosenzweig said he polled 11 of his friends with cybersecurity backgrounds, including information-security chiefs at federal agencies, on whether any of them had ever done a migration without a plan for backing up data and restoring it. None of them had. “There’s a relatively high degree of skepticism about in the group,” he said.
The Secret Service said it began deleting data from officials’ phones in the same month as the Capitol siege, when its agents were among the closest eyewitnesses both to President Donald Trump, now under criminal investigation for his push to overturn the election, and to Vice President Mike Pence, who had narrowly escaped the mob.
The agency said the deletions were part of a preplanned “system migration,” that agents had been instructed to back up their own phones, and that any “insinuation” of malicious intent is wrong.
But tech experts said such a migration is a task that smaller organizations routinely accomplish without error. The agency also went through with its reset of the phones more than a week after Jan. 16, 2021, when House committees told officials at DHS to hand over all relevant “documents or materials” as part of their investigations into the deadly assault.
The error likely means that the information, which could reveal details critical to the Jan. 6 committee’s ongoing investigation, may be extremely challenging if not impossible to retrieve. Some of the data may remain on the phones, even after deletion, but with options for unlocking it that are slim to none.
If the Secret Service had truly wanted to preserve agents’ messages, experts said, it should have been almost trivially easy to do so. Backups and exports are a basic feature of nearly every messaging service, and federal law requires such records to be safeguarded and submitted to the National Archives.
Several experts were critical of the Secret Service’s explanation that it had asked agents to upload their own phone data to an agency drive before their phones were wiped. Cybersecurity professionals said that policy was “highly unusual,” “ludicrous,” a “failure of management” and “not something any other organization would ever do.”
The error is especially notable because of the Secret Service’s vaunted role in the federal bureaucracy. Besides protecting America’s most powerful people, the agency leads some of the government’s most technically sophisticated investigations of financial fraud, ransomware and cybercrime.
“Telling people to back up their stuff individually just sounds crazy,” said one technology chief interviewed by The Post, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information security practices. “This is why you have IT people. Why not tell people to go buy their own ammunition?”
On Thursday, The Washington Post revealed that phone records from Trump’s acting homeland security secretary, Chad Wolf, and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli in the days leading up to the Capitol riots also apparently vanished due to what internal emails suggested was a “reset” of their phones after they left their jobs in January 2021. Wolf has said he gave his phone to DHS officials with all data intact, and the reset appears to have been separate from the Secret Service’s migration.
Some experts said they could see how such errors were possible. Both the DHS and Secret Service are known for a culture of secrecy, a disdain for oversight and a preference for operational security above all else. Among the potential technical complications, these experts said, was the fact that DHS and Secret Service personnel can use iPhones and Apple’s iMessage for communications, which encrypts texts and stores them on the phone.
But several experts said they could not understand why the agencies had not worked more aggressively to safeguard phone records after Jan. 6 — not only because they were legally required to, but because the information could have helped them scrutinize how they had performed during an attack on the heart of American democracy.
In a letter to the House select committee investigating the insurrection, Secret Service officials said they began planning in the fall of 2020 to move all devices onto Microsoft Intune, a “mobile device management” service, known as an MDM, that companies and other organizations can use to centrally manage their computers and phones.
The agency said it told its personnel on Jan. 25 to back up their phones’ data onto an internal drive, notably offering a “step-by-step” guide, but that employees were ultimately “responsible for appropriately preserving government records that may be created via text messaging.” The Secret Service said agents were told that enrolling their devices in the new system, via a “self-install,” was mandatory, although it was not clear that actually performing the backup was.
The migration, the agency said, began two days later, on Jan. 27 — 11 days after the committee had first instructed DHS officials to preserve their records. Some experts questioned why, even if the process had been preplanned, the agency did not pause the migration or assume a more direct role in preserving agents’ data during that 11-day span.
The Secret Service said that the migration process deleted “data resident on some phones” but that none of the texts that DHS Inspector General Joseph Cuffari had been seeking were lost.
The agency watchdog had requested all text messages sent and received by 24 Secret Service personnel between Dec. 7, 2020, and Jan. 8, 2021. The agency returned only one record — a text message conversation from a former U.S. Capitol Police chief to a former chief of the Secret Service’s Uniformed Division on Jan. 6, asking for help.
Cuffari’s office said last week it has launched a criminal investigation into the missing data. But congressional Democrats have since pushed for Cuffari’s removal, saying the Trump appointee’s failure to promptly alert Congress has undermined the investigation and diminished the chances that lost evidence could be recovered. Cuffari’s office, they said, learned in December that messages had been erased but did not tell Congress until this month.
Cuffari said earlier this month that “many” texts from Jan. 5 and 6 were erased after he made his first request. Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement that Cuffari’s office made its request for the first time in February 2021, after the migration was underway.
Asked for comment Friday, the Secret Service provided a previously issued statement, saying it was cooperating with the investigation.
Data migrations of these sorts are not uncommon, experts said. One of the basic rules for conducting them is that devices should be backed up with redundant copies in such a way that the process can be reversed if something goes wrong. Microsoft Intune, specifically, offers guides for how to back up devices, restore saved data and move devices onto the service without deleting their data outright.
The baffling decision-making and the timing of the deletions have led some critics to question whether the agencies were seeking to conceal inconvenient facts. The messages, they pointed out, may have shed a negative light on the behavior of Trump, a man whom many in DHS and on the Secret Service had long fought — not just professionally, but personally and politically — to protect.
One former senior government official who served under Trump said they viewed the missing texts not as a conspiracy but as the inevitable result of an organizational failure by DHS to set up systems that would ensure proper data retention on employees’ devices.
The use of iPhones, which prioritize individual users’ privacy over organizations’ ability to centrally manage data, creates challenges for data retention that are solvable through the right practices. But relying on individual Secret Service agents to upload their iMessages, without any other backup system or way to ensure compliance, before permanently wiping their devices suggests that such practices were not in place.
“What they’re doing is they’re shifting the burden to the individual user to do the backup, and that’s a failure of policy and governance,” the former official said. “It’s the overarching program that was set up for failure.”
The former official added that it’s unclear how much, if any, sensitive communication Secret Service agents would have been doing via iMessage anyway. In many government agencies, employees carry personal devices as well as their work devices, and rules about keeping work communications on work devices are not always diligently followed.
The Secret Service blocks its phones from using Apple’s iCloud, a popular service for automatically saving copies of phone data to the web, according to an agency official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter under investigation.
Using iCloud backups could have ensured that copies of the messages would have been preserved even after a phone reset. But the system could have also been seen as a security risk because it made agents’ digital conversations more vulnerable to hackers or spies.
A former head of technology at another agency within DHS, speaking on condition of anonymity to describe security practices, told The Post that not using iCloud “does come with trade-offs” but could also reduce the need for security officials to “worry about very sensitive data” being exposed.
Agents could have copied data onto an agency backup drive, even without iCloud. But the Secret Service, more than other top security agencies, “tends to want to do their own thing and segment off their IT solutions as much as possible,” the person said. “They have good reason, and the security culture itself is fairly good because of the mission.”
Robert Osgood, director of the computer forensics program at George Mason University and a longtime forensics examiner for the FBI, said federal law enforcement agencies are typically “really good at storing data” and that, under normal circumstances, it would take “a comedy of errors” for an organization such as the Secret Service to delete data critical to a high-profile investigation.
But “a comedy of errors does happen in the government, unfortunately, and happens more times than people think,” Osgood said. Secret Service agents on the president’s security detail, he added, may also face unique incentives to avoid leaving data trails about sensitive matters.
“By the nature of what they do, they can’t be the eyes and ears of Congress or the inspector general or the DOJ, because that would actually interfere with their mission” to maintain the president’s trust and privacy, Osgood said.
Preserving the records could have also been complicated by officials’ choices on how they communicated. It’s unclear how many agents used messaging apps such as Signal or Wickr, which have become popular for their encryption and security protections, or carried personal phones on Jan. 6. One former government official said such behavior is common in DHS, especially within small or select groups such as the presidential and vice-presidential details.
As part of DHS, the Secret Service would have been required to use some form of “mobile device management” service even before the Intune migration, a former FBI cybersecurity agent told The Post.
But the agency has not specified what MDM it migrated from, and each system works in different ways. Some allow for complete access to phone contents by IT administrators, while others permit only a couple of actions, such as deleting or “wiping” data from a device after it has been discontinued. Some MDMs, including Intune, also allow organizations to restrict what apps employees can download to their devices, potentially limiting their options for messaging to officially approved apps.
If the agency had pursued a typical migration process, experts said it would be strange for the agency to have lost data for only some agents, or for more than a day. A veteran data forensics expert at a large consulting firm who was not authorized to speak publicly said it “does sound fishy” that so much data would go missing.
Leaving backups of critical data to individual employees would be an odd choice for an organization’s IT department if the top priority were to make sure nothing was lost, said Paul Bischoff, an online privacy expert at the security firm Comparitech.
“If individual staff members were responsible for backing up and resetting their own devices instead of trained IT staff, I can see a lot of opportunities for user error to crop up,” Bischoff said. “That might result in some data being accidentally lost, or it could just be a convenient alibi.”
It also remains unclear whether the data is gone forever. It is sometimes possible to retrieve data deleted in a factory reset of a phone, depending on how the data was stored, Bischoff said. “Until the old data is actually overwritten with new data, it can remain on disk even after a factory reset and in many cases be recovered using forensic software.” That may not be possible, however, if it was encrypted or overwritten before the reset.
Osgood said he takes the Secret Service at its word that it didn’t intentionally destroy what it should have known could be critical evidence in a historic investigation. But he said its explanations to date leave “more questions than answers.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/07/29/jan6-texts-data-security/
From day one trump was destroying records. Remember the guys going through his bin and taping pieces of paper together again??
The Murdochs and Trump aligned for mutual benefit. That may be changing.
By Sarah Ellison and Jeremy Barr
July 30, 2022 at 9:09 a.m. EDT
In the frenzied coverage of the Jan. 6 House committee hearings, Fox News has been the outlier. While every other major network carried the first public testimony live in prime time in June, Fox relegated the feed to its little-watched business channel. The network has aired midday hearings live, but Trump-boosting opinion hosts have tended to downplay revelations. When former White House aide Cassidy Hutchison gave bombshell testimony a month ago, Laura Ingraham called it “bad acting.”
But the owner of Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, has been watching the hearings with a less dismissive eye. And there are signs that the proceedings have helped convince him that the former president is losing his political expediency.
Speculation over the 91-year-old media executive’s thinking crescendoed after the first set of hearings concluded this month and two of his papers published nearly simultaneous editorials. “Trump’s silence on Jan. 6 is damning,” the New York Post declared. “Character is revealed in a crisis,” the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board concluded. “Mr. Trump utterly failed his.”
Murdoch’s support for Donald Trump has been crucial to his political career and at times to his efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss. But as Trump inches closer to a third presidential run under the glare of criminal, civil and governmental investigations, multiple associates of Murdoch told The Washington Post that it appears he has lost his enthusiasm for Trump.
But Murdoch, who controls a vast swath of the political media world, has spent decades learning to ride the waves of U.S. politics and hedge his bets on candidates. Fox has tried to pull away from the 45th president before, only to return in the face of Trump’s fury.
Throughout his career, one of Murdoch’s favorite activities has been getting on the phone with his editors and talking about the big stories of the day. That has continued even as he has retreated from the day-to-day management of his business. (Lachlan Murdoch, his elder son, became executive chairman and chief executive of Fox Corporation in 2019.)
He remains an avid news consumer, and during the Jan. 6 hearings, Murdoch has been calling various executives to discuss revelations the committee has unearthed, according to five current and former Murdoch executives who have talked to him about the proceedings and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to relay private conversations.
One regular call is to Keith Poole, the editor in chief of the New York Post who Murdoch plucked in 2021 from the Sun tabloid in London. Murdoch calls Poole directly on his cellphone and has discussed the hearings with him several times. Another confidant is Paul Gigot, the longtime editor of the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page, these people say. (Poole and Murdoch declined to comment; Gigot did not respond to requests for comment.)
By all accounts, Murdoch remains deeply in the political mix and meets often with politicians and their operatives — mainly Republicans.
A conservative, Murdoch has always been a pragmatist when it comes to his political relationships, sometimes backing liberal candidates when it benefits him, as he did with former British prime minister Tony Blair.
To close readers of the Murdoch tea leaves, the editorials didn’t signal a major shift in his thinking regarding Trump but, rather, one more turn in the pair’s long, slowly disintegrating, on-again, off-again relationship.
Murdoch knew Trump for decades as a frequent source and subject for his New York Post tabloid, and he was not initially thrilled with the idea of a Trump presidency. “When is Donald Trump going to stop embarrassing his friends, let alone the whole country?” he tweeted in July 2015, after the candidate disparaged Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) service in the Vietnam War. Murdoch even flirted with endorsing Hillary Clinton’s 2016 candidacy and invited her to meet. She declined, according to two people familiar with the exchange.
Once Trump emerged as the Republican nominee for president, Murdoch got over his reservations and started to build a mutually beneficial relationship with him. “Appearing loyal to Trump made them money, and the minute it stops making them money, they will stop doing it,” said a former Fox News commentator who closely follows the company. “If it’s bad for their business, they will magically move on, the same way they magically discovered an affinity for him after their last attempt to stop him — during the 2016 primaries — failed.”
On occasions when Fox appeared to show any disloyalty to the president, Trump railed against the network. Perhaps Fox’s greatest offense to Trump was an early election-night call in 2020 that voters in the traditionally conservative state of Arizona had chosen Biden. The prediction, which proved accurate, disrupted Trump’s premature victory party at the White House and brought on a furious backlash from the president, his family and aides — and most painfully for Fox, from millions of Trump supporters and TV watchers. (Murdoch resisted calls from Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner to dial back Fox’s projection.)
Trump encouraged his supporters to turn off Fox and switch to Newsmax or One America News — smaller channels that relentlessly champion the former president.
Trump’s edict served its purpose. For one hour on the evening of Dec. 7, 2020, Newsmax’s “Greg Kelly Reports” drew more viewers than Fox’s programming in the valuable 25-to-54 age demographic. It was a blip — Newsmax has not posed a serious challenge to Fox’s ratings in the year and a half since; and One America has since been removed from nearly every major cable provider. But Fox personalities and staffers told The Post that the moment sent shock waves through the staff, who feared it could be a turning point.
Fox seemed to shore up its Trumpian bona fides after that. In January 2021, the network announced that it was converting its 7 p.m. hour from a news program to an opinion show now anchored by the pro-Trump host Jesse Watters.
Ratings have soared since Trump left office, as the network’s opinion shows have feasted on a buffet of perceived Biden administration failures, including the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, the coronavirus pandemic, inflation, gas prices, the border with Mexico and crime.
Some hosts on the network also partially embraced Trump’s ceaseless efforts to delegitimize the 2020 election and remain in office.
In the months after the election, some Fox hosts invited Trump attorneys such as Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani to come on air, where they made baseless claims about mass election fraud. Two election technology companies sued Fox and its parent company in 2021 over segments that falsely suggested they helped Democrats steal votes.
“We are confident we will prevail in both cases as freedom of the press is foundational to our democracy and must be protected,” Fox said in a statement, adding that the suits are “a flagrant attempt to deter our journalists from doing their jobs.”
Fox News hosts have moved away from discussing the last election since those lawsuits were filed. Meanwhile, texts unearthed by the Jan. 6 committee showed that Fox personalities such as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham were deeply concerned by Trump supporters’ attack on the U.S. Capitol that day.
Overall, Trump has received limited criticism on Fox’s prime-time shows for his role in the riot, which he helped inspire with a speech and then attempted to join, according to testimony at the hearings. When their text messages from that day were made public in December, Ingraham and Hannity turned their ire on the House committee for releasing them and the media for reporting it, not Trump.
But as the former president continues to obsess over the 2020 election results despite signs that it could hurt Republican electoral prospects, some at Fox have urged him to move on.
Brian Kilmeade, who co-hosts the Trump-friendly morning show “Fox & Friends,” said in February that the former president’s continued efforts are “wasting our time.” During an interview with Trump in May on the Fox Business Network, host Stuart Varney made a similar plea.
“What I hear from a lot of Republicans is that they don’t want you to look back to the 2020 election and rehash it,” Varney told Trump.
“The press, including Fox, doesn’t want to talk about” election fraud, Trump shot back.
Some longtime backers of Trump, including Varney, even declared his political career to be over after the Capitol attack. “I think President Trump, Donald J. Trump, is done, politically,” Varney said on-air. When asked whether Trump should run again in 2024, Fox contributor Tomi Lahren replied, “I don’t know if that’s the best idea, given all of this.”
Murdoch himself made a similar point during a meeting with shareholders in November. “The current American political debate is profound, whether about education or welfare or economic opportunity,” he said. “It is crucial that conservatives play an active, forceful role in that debate, but that will not happen if President Trump stays focused on the past.”
Murdoch associates say his frustrations with Trump have only grown; the two have barely spoken since Trump left office. But Murdoch’s reputation for pragmatism and Trump’s political durability make it hard to say for sure where their relationship will end up.
That uncertainty was apparent after the Jan. 6 committee wrapped up its first set of hearings on July 21 and the Journal and the New York Post published editorials scolding Trump. It wasn’t the first time either of those Murdoch-owned papers had broken with the former president, but it invited pundits to weigh in, anyway.
“Why Rupert Murdoch Is Finally Done with Donald Trump,” a column in Politico concluded.
“No, the Murdochs haven’t turned on Trump,” Media Matters wrote the same day.
Industry watchers have made much of Fox’s recent decision to cut back on live coverage of Trump rallies, which he still holds regularly. But the network doesn’t lack for Trump stalwarts. Hannity, for instance, has stocked his show with former Trump administration officials and family members.
A Fox News on-air personality, speaking on the condition of anonymity to be candid, expressed doubt that Trump’s biggest boosters at the network “would ever turn on him” but suggested that hosts might prod viewers toward alternatives for the next Republican president — those they think stand a better chance at re-empowering the conservative movement.
On July 26, Trump returned to D.C. to deliver a speech — his first trip to the capital since he left office. Less than a mile away, his vice president turned potential rival, Mike Pence, addressed a smaller crowd.
Fox showed short segments of Trump’s speech throughout the day and aired Pence’s speech live for a full 17 minutes.
And the network has been giving airtime in the past week to another presidential hopeful: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ®, whom Tucker Carlson interviewed Wednesday about the outrages of socially conscious investing.
On Monday morning, the hosts of “Fox & Friends” highlighted DeSantis’s edge over Trump in some polls.
As usual, Trump was watching. On his social media network, Truth Social, he blasted “Fox & Friends” for having “really botched my poll numbers, no doubt on purpose. That show has been terrible — gone to the ‘dark side.’ ”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/07/30/rupert-lachlan-murdoch-donald-trump-fox/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
I am becoming increasingly conspiratorial about this debacle:…
Homeland Security watchdog halted plan to recover Secret Service texts, records show
By Maria Sacchetti and Carol D. Leonnig
July 29, 2022 at 9:51 p.m. EDTThe Department of Homeland Security’s chief watchdog scrapped its investigative team’s effort to collect agency phones to try to recover deleted Secret Service texts this year, according to four people with knowledge of the decision and internal records reviewed by The Washington Post.
In early February, after learning that the Secret Service’s text messages had been erased as part of a migration to new devices, staff at Inspector General Joseph V. Cuffari’s office planned to contact all DHS agencies offering to have data specialists help retrieve messages from their phones, according to two government whistleblowers who provided reports to Congress.
But later that month, Cuffari’s office decided it would not collect or review any agency phones, according to three people briefed on the decision.
The latest revelation comes as Democratic lawmakers have accused Cuffari’s office of failing to aggressively investigate the agency’s actions in response to the violent attack on the Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump on Jan. 6, 2021.
Cuffari wrote a letter to the House and Senate Homeland Security committees this month saying the Secret Service’s text messages from the time of the attack had been “erased.” But he did not immediately disclose that his office first discovered that deletion in December and failed to alert lawmakers or examine the phones. Nor did he alert Congress that other text messages were missing, including those of the two top Trump appointees running the Department of Homeland Security during the final days of the administration.
Late Friday night, Cuffari’s spokesman issued a statement declining to comment on the new discovery.
“To preserve the integrity of our work and consistent with U.S. Attorney General guidelines, DHS OIG does not confirm the existence of or otherwise comment about ongoing reviews or criminal investigations, nor do we discuss our communications with Congress,” the statement read.
Cuffari, a former adviser to Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey ®, has been in his post since July 2019 after being nominated by Trump.
DHS spokeswoman Marsha Espinosa said the agency is cooperating with investigators and “looking into every avenue to recover text messages and other materials for the Jan. 6 investigations.”
After discovering that some of the text messages the watchdog sought had been deleted, the Federal Protective Service, a DHS agency that guards federal buildings, offered their phones to the inspector general’s investigators, saying they lacked the resources to recover lost texts and other records on their own, according to three people familiar with the plan who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive investigation.
A senior forensics analyst in the inspector general’s office took steps to collect the Federal Protective Service phones, the people said. But late on the night of Friday, Feb. 18, one of several deputies who report to Cuffari’s management team wrote an email to investigators instructing them not to take the phones and not to seek any data from them, according to a copy of an internal record that was shared with The Post.
Staff investigators also drafted a letter in late January and early February to all DHS agencies offering to help recover any text messages or other data that might have been lost. But Cuffari’s management team later changed that draft to say that if agencies could not retrieve phone messages for the Jan. 6 period, they “should provide a detailed list of unavailable data and the reason the information is unavailable,” the three people said.
Cuffari also learned in late February that text messages for the top two officials at DHS under the Trump administration on the day of the attack were missing, lost in a “reset” of their government phones when they left their jobs in January 2021, according to an internal record obtained by the Project on Government Oversight. But Cuffari did not press the department’s leadership to explain why they did not preserve these records, nor try to recover them, according to the four people briefed on the watchdog’s actions. Cuffari also did not alert Congress to the missing records.
These and other discrepancies prompted key Democrats scrutinizing the attack and the Department of Homeland Security to issue a subpoena to the Secret Service and to call for Cuffari to recuse himself from the investigation.
Reps. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), chair of the House Homeland Security Committee and the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack, and Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.), chair of the committee that oversees inspectors general, said in a letter to Cuffari on Tuesday that they “do not have confidence” that he can conduct the investigation.
Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, issued a statement Friday calling the missing messages “an extremely serious matter” and said he would ask the Justice Department to intervene.
“Inspector General Cuffari’s failure to take immediate action upon learning that these text messages had been deleted makes clear that he should no longer be entrusted with this investigation,” Durbin said in a statement. “That’s why I’m sending a letter today to Attorney General Garland asking him to step in and get to the bottom of what happened to these text messages and hold accountable those who are responsible.”
Cuffari was asked to answer the lawmakers by Aug. 9.
Cuffari opened a criminal investigation into the Secret Service’s missing text messages this month, one of dozens of inquiries his office does as part of its work overseeing the Department of Homeland Security, the nation’s third-largest agency. Many, including Democrats in Congress, viewed the timing and motive for the inquiry with suspicion, as Cuffari had not pushed to probe the fact that the records were deleted when he first learned of it months earlier. DHS encompasses agencies such as the Secret Service, the Federal Protective Service and immigration and border protection.
Three people briefed on his handling of the missing text messages painted a portrait of an office that faltered over how to handle the matter, even though they had highly skilled officials ready to attack the issue and federal agencies willing to cooperate.
A former senior executive at the inspector general’s office who left the agency this year said Cuffari’s office instructed the executive to call the agency’s top forensic expert on a Saturday early this year to tell him to “stand down” on pursuing the forensics work for the Secret Service’s phones.
“That was done at the direction of the inspector general’s front office,” the former senior executive said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they are no longer at the office.
Cuffari’s office has continued to issue reports and, on the day the lawmakers called for him to step aside, tweeted about awards that they had won for inspections. The awards are from the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, an independent executive agency that supports inspectors general.
In their letter, Thompson and Maloney asked the council to find a replacement for Cuffari on the investigation into the missing Secret Service texts.
The council said it could only help find a replacement if Cuffari decided to recuse himself and asked them for assistance finding a replacement, its executive director, Alan F. Boehm, said in an email.
Cuffari sent a letter to the House and Senate Homeland Security committees this month accusing the Secret Service of erasing text messages from the time around the assault on the Capitol and after he had asked for them for his own investigation.
The Secret Service denied maliciously erasing text messages and said the deletions were part of a preplanned “system migration” of its phones. They said none of the texts Cuffari’s office sought had disappeared.
The Federal Records Act and other laws require federal agencies to preserve government records, and it is a crime, punishable by fines and prison time, to willfully destroy government records.
In addition to the Secret Service, text messages for Trump acting homeland security secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli are missing for a key period leading up to the Jan. 6 attack, according to four people briefed on the matter and internal emails.
But Cuccinelli and Wolf both said they turned in their phones, as Wolf put it in a tweet, “fully loaded,” and said it was up to DHS to preserve their messages.
On Twitter, Wolf wrote: “I complied with all data retention laws and returned all my equipment fully loaded to the Department. Full stop. DHS has all my texts, emails, phone logs, schedules, etc. Any issues with missing data needs to be addressed to DHS.”
Cuccinelli, also on Twitter, said he handed in his phone before departing DHS and suggested that the agency “erased” his phone after he left.
The National Archives and Records Administration has sought more information on “the potential unauthorized deletion” of Secret Service text messages, but that inquiry could be delayed by Cuffari’s criminal investigation into the agency. The archives had no immediate comment Friday about Wolf and Cuccinelli’s text messages.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/29/homeland-inspector-general-texts/?
Christ.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I am becoming increasingly conspiratorial about this debacle:
…
Homeland Security watchdog halted plan to recover Secret Service texts, records show
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/29/homeland-inspector-general-texts/ ?
Christ.
capture
dv said:
unfortunately that truthsocial thing is blocked for Australia and we can’t be bothered VPNing it so we can’t confirm or refute the claimed
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
unfortunately that truthsocial thing is blocked for Australia and we can’t be bothered VPNing it so we can’t confirm or refute the claimed
Damn so we’ll never know whether the votes were illegal
The legislation that Sinema and later Manchin agreed to includes the following
Expenditures
$369 billion — The legislation would contribute this amount in energy and climate provisions, which Manchin and Schumer said would “invest in domestic energy production and manufacturing, and reduce carbon emissions by roughly 40 percent by 2030.”
$64 billion — The remaining investment is the estimated cost of three years of subsidies for Affordable Care Act premiums — an increase from the two-year extension Manchin had originally agreed to.
Revenues
$313 billion — The legislation will raise revenues in part by imposing a corporate minimum tax of 15 percent.
$288 billion — The agreement calls for prescription drug pricing reform, which will allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Out-of-pocket costs will be capped at $2,000, the agreement summary says.
$124 billion — This revenue will be raised through Internal Revenue Service tax enforcement.
$14 billion — The two senators said the bill would raise these funds by closing the carried interest loophole. In the agreement, they note that there will be no new taxes imposed on families making $400,000 or less and that they are making the “biggest corporations and ultra-wealthy pay their fair share.”
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The revenue exceeds the expenditure and the bill should reduve the deficit by 300 billion.
dv said:
The legislation that Sinema and later Manchin agreed to includes the followingExpenditures
$369 billion — The legislation would contribute this amount in energy and climate provisions, which Manchin and Schumer said would “invest in domestic energy production and manufacturing, and reduce carbon emissions by roughly 40 percent by 2030.”
$64 billion — The remaining investment is the estimated cost of three years of subsidies for Affordable Care Act premiums — an increase from the two-year extension Manchin had originally agreed to.
Revenues
$313 billion — The legislation will raise revenues in part by imposing a corporate minimum tax of 15 percent.
$288 billion — The agreement calls for prescription drug pricing reform, which will allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Out-of-pocket costs will be capped at $2,000, the agreement summary says.
$124 billion — This revenue will be raised through Internal Revenue Service tax enforcement.
$14 billion — The two senators said the bill would raise these funds by closing the carried interest loophole. In the agreement, they note that there will be no new taxes imposed on families making $400,000 or less and that they are making the “biggest corporations and ultra-wealthy pay their fair share.”
—
The revenue exceeds the expenditure and the bill should reduce the deficit by 300 billion.
It’s being described as the biggest bill proposed by any nation ever in terms of expenditure on emissions reduction.
USA, FK YEAH!!
(ugh …. :( )
seems like they have one of these leaders up their sleeve for every election cycle just saying
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-02/cia-kabul-drone-strike-al-zawahiri/101290480
ah well at least if one’s legacy is starting WW3 it can be in a plausibly deniable way “it was over human rights like the right to not be murdered by forced infection” nice
For decades she’s been a constant critic of the Chinese government and has often aligned with the more hawkish voices in the US on Taiwan. “She wants to do this now because it’s her last chance,” David Smith, from the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, told the ABC. “It’s highly likely the Republicans will win midterm elections this year, they’ll take back control of the House, and at 82, this is likely the end of her tenure as Speaker of the House of Representatives.”
Kevin Rudd speaks to CNN about Speaker Pelosi’s planned visit to Taiwan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOCovnqQgRE
Guy Reffitt: Capitol rioter turned in by son gets 87 months in prison
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62382492
dv said:
Guy Reffitt: Capitol rioter turned in by son gets 87 months in prison
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62382492
That’ll make thanksgiving, in a few years time, lots of fun.
dv said:
Guy Reffitt: Capitol rioter turned in by son gets 87 months in prison
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62382492
these guys are going to get more than the people who planned it.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Guy Reffitt: Capitol rioter turned in by son gets 87 months in prison
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62382492
these guys are going to get more than the people who planned it.
We’ll see
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/02/nancy-pelosi-lands-in-taiwan-amid-soaring-tensions-with-china
sibeen said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/02/nancy-pelosi-lands-in-taiwan-amid-soaring-tensions-with-china
Now we wait and see whether she gets Xi Jinping-ed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/trump-baffles-gop-endorsing-eric-missouri-senate-primary-race-three-er-rcna41049
Rofl
“US sues Idaho over abortion law”
There’s a referendum occurring in Kansas today for a State Constitutional amendment that would remove implied protection of abortion. This referendum wouldn’t make abortion illegal: it just removes a barrier to the state legislature doing so. It appears to be neck and neck in the polls.
As well as referenda, there are primary elections today in Arizona, Michigan, Missouri, Washington. Dozens of Republican candidates still claim the election was stolen, and 538 is tracking their success in the primaries. At the moment it appears 75% of them will lose so at least that’s something.
Wipegate continues
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/defense-department-missing-january-6-texts/index.html
(CNN)The Defense Department wiped the phones of top departing DOD and Army officials at the end of the Trump administration, deleting any texts from key witnesses to events surrounding the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, according to court filings.
The acknowledgment that the phones from the Pentagon officials had been wiped was first revealed in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit American Oversight brought against the Defense Department and the Army.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/pat-cipollone-grand-jury/index.html
Washington (CNN)Former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone has been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election
dv said:
Inbreeding produces interesting results
dv said:
LOLOL
Why Pelosi’s Visit to Taiwan Is Utterly Reckless
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
The Last Thing We Needed Was Pelosi Backing Down From a Bully
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-china.html
Both opinion pieces in today’s NYT :)
sibeen said:
Why Pelosi’s Visit to Taiwan Is Utterly Reckless
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
The Last Thing We Needed Was Pelosi Backing Down From a Bully
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-china.html
Both opinion pieces in today’s NYT :)
The USA likes to pose and show off but surely officials can travel were they damn please without someone having a hissy fit.
Taiwan doesn’t think of itself as part of China and most of the world doesn’t either so what difference does it make.
sibeen said:
Why Pelosi’s Visit to Taiwan Is Utterly Reckless
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
The Last Thing We Needed Was Pelosi Backing Down From a Bully
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-china.html
Both opinion pieces in today’s NYT :)
Well, they can both be true…
sibeen said:
Why Pelosi’s Visit to Taiwan Is Utterly Reckless
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
The Last Thing We Needed Was Pelosi Backing Down From a Bully
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-china.html
Both opinion pieces in today’s NYT :)
Ah well it’s good that they have range.
Like the Fin running Amanda Stoker’s “We lost because we weren’t right wing enough” piece and on the same day running one saying “Amanda Stoker is a total dipshit”.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Why Pelosi’s Visit to Taiwan Is Utterly Reckless
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
The Last Thing We Needed Was Pelosi Backing Down From a Bully
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/opinion/pelosi-taiwan-china.html
Both opinion pieces in today’s NYT :)
The USA likes to pose and show off but surely officials can travel were they damn please without someone having a hissy fit.
Taiwan doesn’t think of itself as part of China and most of the world doesn’t either so what difference does it make.
Here’s a list of countries that recognise Taiwan’s sovereignty.
Country Year Relations
Belize 1989-present
Guatemala 1933-present
Haiti 1956-present
Holy See (Vatican City) 1942-present
Honduras 1985-present
Marshall Islands 1998-present
Nauru 1980-2002, 2005-present
Palau 1999-present
Paraguay 1957-present
Saint Kitts and Nevis 1983-present
Saint Lucia 1984-1997, 2007-present
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 1981-present
Tuvalu 1979-present
Krudd on the BBC as well as CNN.
Kevin Rudd speaks to BBC News about Taiwan and US Speaker Pelosi’s visit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3tpXHu3lEWASHINGTON – A record low 8% of Americans lacked health insurance at the start of the year, according to an analysis by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services provided first to USA TODAY.
More than 5 million people have gained coverage since 2020, according to the department’s review of household survey data.
The drop comes after Democrats temporarily boosted insurance premium subsidies and ramped up outreach to help people enroll in Obamacare plans created by the 2010 Affordable Care Act.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/02/biden-administration-drop-uninsured-rate-record-low/10211980002/
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.
Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Some ratbag in the US has claimed that Australia does not exist, and that all people who claim to be Australians are actors in the pay of NASA.
In response, i have one question: NASA, where’s my money?!
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Some ratbag in the US has claimed that Australia does not exist, and that all people who claim to be Australians are actors in the pay of NASA.
In response, i have one question: NASA, where’s my money?!
>>where’s my money?
>>In Australia, which does not exist.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Some ratbag in the US has claimed that Australia does not exist, and that all people who claim to be Australians are actors in the pay of NASA.
In response, i have one question: NASA, where’s my money?!
>>where’s my money?
>>In Australia, which does not exist.
He looks a bit worried
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Agree.
I hope he gets (and pays…) a very large bill.
The amount of money he was raking in with his lies and nonsense is quite astonishing.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Agree.
I hope he gets (and pays…) a very large bill.
The amount of money he was raking in with his lies and nonsense is quite astonishing.
He’s cracked the ‘how to make it big in America’ question.
Answer: Americans enjoy being lied to.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Some ratbag in the US has claimed that Australia does not exist, and that all people who claim to be Australians are actors in the pay of NASA.
In response, i have one question: NASA, where’s my money?!
>>where’s my money?
>>In Australia, which does not exist.
No, it doesn’t. We’re all on some big sort of film set, in the back blocks of Nevada. What do you think they do at Area 51? Alien spacecraft? (chortle). Noob.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Agree.
I hope he gets (and pays…) a very large bill.
The amount of money he was raking in with his lies and nonsense is quite astonishing.
He’s cracked the ‘how to make it big in America’ question.
Answer: Americans enjoy being lied to.
That might well be true.
Look at Trump. Look at the film and television industries.
Michael V said:
That might well be true.
Look at Trump. Look at the film and television industries.
They seem to prefer to have a wide range of lies (sort of a salad-bar of untruths) from which to select an array which allows them to construct the view of events and circumstances which they personally find most reassuring. Not necessarily that it makes them feel comfortable with the way things are, but their overriding need seems to be to feel that they ‘know what’s really going on’.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Some ratbag in the US has claimed that Australia does not exist, and that all people who claim to be Australians are actors in the pay of NASA.
In response, i have one question: NASA, where’s my money?!
>>where’s my money?
>>In Australia, which does not exist.
No, it doesn’t. We’re all on some big sort of film set, in the back blocks of Nevada. What do you think they do at Area 51? Alien spacecraft? (chortle). Noob.
https://www.hit.com.au/story/this-woman-is-convinced-that-australia-doesn-t-even-exist-she-has-evidence-19841
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:>>where’s my money?
>>In Australia, which does not exist.
No, it doesn’t. We’re all on some big sort of film set, in the back blocks of Nevada. What do you think they do at Area 51? Alien spacecraft? (chortle). Noob.
https://www.hit.com.au/story/this-woman-is-convinced-that-australia-doesn-t-even-exist-she-has-evidence-19841
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/so-apparently-australia-is-fake-and-we-re-all-paid-actors-115817
Michael V said:
https://www.hit.com.au/story/this-woman-is-convinced-that-australia-doesn-t-even-exist-she-has-evidence-19841
Hmm…it has to be admitted, she does seem to know ‘Australia’ fairly well:
’The things these “Australian” says to be doing, all these swear words and actions based on alcoholism, MDMA and bad decisions…’
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Agree.
I hope he gets (and pays…) a very large bill.
The amount of money he was raking in with his lies and nonsense is quite astonishing.
He’s cracked the ‘how to make it big in America’ question.
Answer: Americans enjoy being lied to.
That might well be true.
Look at Trump. Look at the film and television industries.
They brought it on themselveas willingly. The land oƒ Excesses.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:https://www.hit.com.au/story/this-woman-is-convinced-that-australia-doesn-t-even-exist-she-has-evidence-19841
Hmm…it has to be admitted, she does seem to know ‘Australia’ fairly well:
’The things these “Australian” says to be doing, all these swear words and actions based on alcoholism, MDMA and bad decisions…’
Like I said earlier. Ockerism is the bane of Australia.
Here’s some pic of Shelley Floryd, who exposed us all as paid actors. The one with the self-harm scars on her arm gives some insight into Shelley’s outlook.
Bitch, it was a sweet gig until you came along!
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:https://www.hit.com.au/story/this-woman-is-convinced-that-australia-doesn-t-even-exist-she-has-evidence-19841
Hmm…it has to be admitted, she does seem to know ‘Australia’ fairly well:
’The things these “Australian” says to be doing, all these swear words and actions based on alcoholism, MDMA and bad decisions…’
Like I said earlier. Ockerism is the bane of Australia.
I thought she was talking about the Aus government of recent years.
captain_spalding said:
Here’s some pic of Shelley Floryd, who exposed us all as paid actors. The one with the self-harm scars on her arm gives some insight into Shelley’s outlook.Bitch, it was a sweet gig until you came along!
LOL
Thanks. Knowing that there is a conspiracy theory that Australia doesn’t exist has amused me this morning.
:)
Alex Jones:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Hmm…it has to be admitted, she does seem to know ‘Australia’ fairly well:
’The things these “Australian” says to be doing, all these swear words and actions based on alcoholism, MDMA and bad decisions…’
Like I said earlier. Ockerism is the bane of Australia.
I thought she was talking about the Aus government of recent years.
:) The goverment plays the people.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Here’s some pic of Shelley Floryd, who exposed us all as paid actors. The one with the self-harm scars on her arm gives some insight into Shelley’s outlook.Bitch, it was a sweet gig until you came along!
LOL
Thanks. Knowing that there is a conspiracy theory that Australia doesn’t exist has amused me this morning.
:)
Yeah.Good morning all you non-rabbits. the TRUTH teller doesn’t even know what a dumdum is. Deserves one to the head. Thick as a Brick.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Here’s some pic of Shelley Floryd, who exposed us all as paid actors. The one with the self-harm scars on her arm gives some insight into Shelley’s outlook.Bitch, it was a sweet gig until you came along!
LOL
Thanks. Knowing that there is a conspiracy theory that Australia doesn’t exist has amused me this morning.
:)
Yeah.Good morning all you non-rabbits. the TRUTH teller doesn’t even know what a dumdum is. Deserves one to the head. Thick as a Brick.
are they allowed under the Hague declaration
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.
Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
Agree.
I hope he gets (and pays…) a very large bill.
The amount of money he was raking in with his lies and nonsense is quite astonishing.
He’s cracked the ‘how to make it big in America’ question.
Answer: Americans enjoy being lied to.
Not Only Americans
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
I’ll to admit to knowing next to nothing about Jones until yesterday.
He really is quite an outstanding American moron amongst a heap of American morons. He seems to latch on to every conspiracy going and makeup several of his own.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
I’ll to admit to knowing next to nothing about Jones until yesterday.
He really is quite an outstanding American moron amongst a heap of American morons. He seems to latch on to every conspiracy going and makeup several of his own.
I was reading about that yesterday and how what he said caused others to threaten and hassle the parents of the dead children they made it up
Cymek said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t happened to a nicer moron.Alex Jones Found Out in Court That Sandy Hook Parents’ Attorneys Have a Copy of His Cellphone.
I’ll to admit to knowing next to nothing about Jones until yesterday.
He really is quite an outstanding American moron amongst a heap of American morons. He seems to latch on to every conspiracy going and makeup several of his own.
I was reading about that yesterday and how what he said caused others to threaten and hassle the parents of the dead children they made it up
This is the best bit of the article:
On cross-examination, though, things got far stickier for Jones, especially when plaintiffs’ attorney Mark Bankston informed him that 12 days ago, Jones’ attorneys accidentally sent him an entire digital copy of Jones’ cellphone, which they then failed to declare as privileged. That means Bankston has wide latitude to ask Jones about anything he found on the phone that conflicts with things Jones has said in his testimony.“That is how I know you lied to me,” Bankston said serenely, particularly about Jones’ insistence that he doesn’t use email and that he had no texts to turn over about Sandy Hook. Bankston showed him messages between himself and Infowars anchor Paul Joseph Watson, discussing their Sandy Hook coverage.
“You know what perjury is?” Bankston asked Jones.
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
Ian said:I was reading about that yesterday and how what he said caused others to threaten and hassle the parents of the dead children they made it up
This is the best bit of the article:
On cross-examination, though, things got far stickier for Jones, especially when plaintiffs’ attorney Mark Bankston informed him that 12 days ago, Jones’ attorneys accidentally sent him an entire digital copy of Jones’ cellphone, which they then failed to declare as privileged. That means Bankston has wide latitude to ask Jones about anything he found on the phone that conflicts with things Jones has said in his testimony.“That is how I know you lied to me,” Bankston said serenely, particularly about Jones’ insistence that he doesn’t use email and that he had no texts to turn over about Sandy Hook. Bankston showed him messages between himself and Infowars anchor Paul Joseph Watson, discussing their Sandy Hook coverage.
“You know what perjury is?” Bankston asked Jones.
must be frustrating for alex not to be able to control the narrative and have your fanbois back you up.
Bogsnorkler said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
I was reading about that yesterday and how what he said caused others to threaten and hassle the parents of the dead children they made it up
This is the best bit of the article:
On cross-examination, though, things got far stickier for Jones, especially when plaintiffs’ attorney Mark Bankston informed him that 12 days ago, Jones’ attorneys accidentally sent him an entire digital copy of Jones’ cellphone, which they then failed to declare as privileged. That means Bankston has wide latitude to ask Jones about anything he found on the phone that conflicts with things Jones has said in his testimony.
“That is how I know you lied to me,” Bankston said serenely, particularly about Jones’ insistence that he doesn’t use email and that he had no texts to turn over about Sandy Hook. Bankston showed him messages between himself and Infowars anchor Paul Joseph Watson, discussing their Sandy Hook coverage.
“You know what perjury is?” Bankston asked Jones.
must be frustrating for alex not to be able to control the narrative and have your fanbois back you up.
sorry we don’t see how their idea of having had enough of experts and how experts know nothing anyway, can’t extend to legal experts so who gives a fuck what Bankston says, sovereign citizens care nothing for your stupid laws and whatnot
I was hoping riling up the women would have the desired effect. It seems getting out and voting is becoming more of the thing to do.
buffy said:
Kansas abortion rights voteI was hoping riling up the women would have the desired effect. It seems getting out and voting is becoming more of the thing to do.
Oh, I hadn’t put it all together…Kansas is a Trump state. The result is even better.
buffy said:
Kansas abortion rights voteI was hoping riling up the women would have the desired effect. It seems getting out and voting is becoming more of the thing to do.
It could easily make a big difference.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/03/politics/kyrsten-sinema-democrats-tax-questions-companies/index.html
Ffs
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/03/politics/kyrsten-sinema-democrats-tax-questions-companies/index.htmlFfs
Weren’t we talking about ‘paid actors’ just this morning?
captain_spalding said:
oh c’m‘on well genius is relative right it’s like that joke about the friends and the bear and the sneakers you just have to run faster than the other guy don’t you
sarahs mum said:
It is quite remarkable that there 6 Catholic justices at one time.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
It is quite remarkable that there 6 Catholic justices at one time.
15 out of the 115 to serve on the bench have been catholic according to wiki.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
It is quite remarkable that there 6 Catholic justices at one time.
Trump appointed three of them
Neil Gorsuch 2017
Brett Kavanaugh 2018
Amy Coney Barrett 2020
He knew what he was doing and he knew what the outcome would be.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
It is quite remarkable that there 6 Catholic justices at one time.
Trump appointed three of them
Neil Gorsuch 2017
Brett Kavanaugh 2018
Amy Coney Barrett 2020He knew what he was doing and he knew what the outcome would be.
what a legend
I see Dr Oz ain’t doing well in PA.
Bogsnorkler said:
I see Dr Oz ain’t doing well in PA.
He’s polling at 30%
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
It is quite remarkable that there 6 Catholic justices at one time.
It should be noted that 2 of these voted against overturning Roe v Wade.
Mike Lindell says he has poured up to $40m into wave of lawsuits and a new movie as US experts warn of threat to democracy
Peter Stone in Washington
Thu 4 Aug 2022 17.00 AEST
Last modified on Fri 5 Aug 2022 01.54 AEST
The MyPillow chief executive, Mike Lindell, a fervent Donald Trump ally, says he has poured $35-40m into a wide crusade – a wave of lawsuits to get rid of voting machines that he faults for Trump’s defeat, a new movie about voting fraud, and a hefty legal stable – to promote charges that the 2020 election was riddled with fraud, despite a flood of contrary evidence.
In his frenetic quest to dispense with electronic voting equipment that he has often charged is defective, Lindell is hosting a two-day “Moment of Truth” summit on 20 and 21 August in Missouri, that he expects will draw 200 federal and state officials and staff, as well as hundreds of representatives from groups nationwide who have investigated alleged election fraud this year and in 2020.
more..,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/mypillow-mike-lindell-trump-big-lie-election-fraud
Opinion The GOP is sick. It didn’t start with Trump — and won’t end with him.
By Dana Milbank
Columnist
It began where it ended, on the West Front of the United States Capitol.
On Jan. 6, 2021, an armed mob invited and incited by President Donald Trump smashed barriers, overpowered police and stormed the Capitol. The insurrectionists scaled the scaffolding erected for President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration and proceeded to sack the seat of government for the first time since the War of 1812.
Called to Washington by Trump, who promised a “wild” time, and sent to the Capitol with instructions to “fight like hell,” the mob halted Congress’s certification of Biden’s victory, sending lawmakers and staff fleeing for their lives. At least seven people died in the riot or its aftermath, and more than 140 police officers were hurt. Some 845 insurrectionists, several with ties to white-supremacist or violent extremist groups, have faced charges including seditious conspiracy.
Many Americans were shocked that Trump, after first considering a plan to seize voting machines, had orchestrated an attempted coup, knowingly dispatching armed attackers to Capitol Hill and then refusing for 187 minutes to call off the assault. And many Americans have been shocked anew to see elected Republicans, after initially condemning Trump’s attack on democracy, excuse his actions and rationalize the violent insurrection itself as “legitimate political discourse.”
But a sober look at history might have lessened the shock, for the seeds of sedition had been planted earlier — a quarter-century earlier — in that same spot on the West Front of the Capitol.
On Sept. 27, 1994, more than 300 Republican members of Congress and congressional candidates gathered where the insurrectionists would one day mount the scaffolding. On that sunny morning, they assembled for a nonviolent transfer of power. Bob Michel, the unfailingly genial leader of the House Republican minority for the previous 14 years, had ushered Ronald Reagan’s agenda through the House. But he was being forced into retirement by a rising bomb thrower who threatened to oust Michel as GOP leader if he didn’t quit. “My friends,” a wistful Michel told the gathering, “I’ll not be able to be with you when you enter that promised land of having that long-sought-after majority.”
Newt Gingrich had almost nothing in common with the man he shoved aside. Michel was a portrait of civility and decency, a World War II combat veteran who knew that his political opponents were not his enemies and that politics was the art of compromise. Gingrich, by contrast, rose to prominence by forcing the resignation of a Democratic speaker of the House on what began as mostly false allegations, by smearing another Democratic speaker with personal innuendo, and by routinely thwarting Michel’s attempts to negotiate with Democrats. Gingrich had avoided service in Vietnam and regarded Democrats as the enemy, impugning their patriotism and otherwise savaging them nightly on the House floor for the benefit of C-SPAN viewers.
“Newt! Newt! Newt! Newt!” the candidates and lawmakers chanted. A pudgy 51-year-old with a helmet of gray hair approached the lectern. “The fact is that America is in trouble,” Gingrich declared. “It is impossible to maintain American civilization with 12-year-olds having babies, 15-year-olds killing each other, 17-year-olds dying of AIDS and 18-year-olds getting diplomas they can’t even read.” The pejoratives piled up in Gingrich’s shouted, finger-wagging harangue: “Collapsing … Failed so totally … Worried about their jobs … Worried about their safety … Trust broke down … Out of touch … Wasteful … Dumb … Ineffective … Out of balance … Malaise … Drug dealers … Pimps … Prostitution … Crime … Barbarism … Devastation … Human tragedy … Chaos and poverty.” “Recognize that if America fails, our children will live on a dark and bloody planet,” Gingrich told them.
Somewhere in this catalogue of catastrophe, Gingrich signed the Contract With America, a 10-point agenda proposing a balanced-budget amendment, congressional term limits and other reforms. “We have become in danger of losing our own civilization,” Gingrich warned.
Americans had seldom heard a politician talk this way, and certainly not a speaker of the House. But that’s what Gingrich became after the GOP’s landslide victory in the 1994 election. The Contract With America made little headway — only three minor provisions (paperwork reduction!) became law — but the rise of Gingrich and his shock troops set the nation on a course toward the ruinous politics of today.
Much has been made of the ensuing polarization in our politics, and it’s true that moderates are a vanishing breed. But the problem isn’t primarily polarization. The problem is that one of our two major political parties has ceased good-faith participation in the democratic process. Of course, there are instances of violence, disinformation, racism and corruption among Democrats and the political left, but the scale isn’t at all comparable. Only one party fomented a bloody insurrection and even after that voted in large numbers (139 House Republicans, a two-thirds majority) to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election. Only one party promotes a web of conspiracy theories in place of facts. Only one party is trying to restrict voting and discredit elections. Only one party is stoking fear of minorities and immigrants.
Admittedly, I’m partisan — not for Democrats but for democrats. Republicans have become an authoritarian faction fighting democracy — and there’s a perfectly logical reason for this: Democracy is working against Republicans. In the eight presidential contests since 1988, the GOP candidate has won a majority of the popular vote only once, in 2004. As the United States approaches majority-minority status (the White population, 76 percent of the country in 1990, is now 58 percent and will drop below 50 percent around 2045), Republicans have become the voice of White people, particularly those without college degrees, who fear the loss of their way of life in a multicultural America. White grievance and White fear drive Republican identity more than any other factor — and in turn drive the tribalism and dysfunction in the U.S. political system.
Other factors sped the party’s turn toward nihilism: Concurrent with the rise of Gingrich was the ascent of conservative talk radio, followed by the triumph of Fox News, followed by the advent of social media. Combined, they created a media environment that allows Republican politicians and their voters to seal themselves in an echo chamber of “alternative facts.” Globally, south-to-north migration has ignited nationalist movements around the world and created a new era of autocrats. The disappearance of the Greatest Generation, tempered by war, brought to power a new generation of culture warriors.
But the biggest cause is race. The parties re-sorted themselves after the epochal changes of the 1960s, which expanded civil rights, voting rights and immigration. Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” began an appeal to White voters alienated by racial progress, and, in the years that followed, a new generation of Republicans took that racist undertone and made it the melody.
It is crucial to understand that Donald Trump didn’t create this noxious environment. He isn’t some hideous, orange Venus emerging from the half-shell. Rather, he is a brilliant opportunist; he saw the direction the Republican Party was taking and the appetites it was stoking. The onetime pro-choice advocate of universal health care reinvented himself to give Republicans what they wanted. Because Trump is merely a reflection of the sickness in the GOP, the problem won’t go away when he does.
Republicans and their allied donors, media outlets, interest groups and fellow travelers have been yanking on the threads of democracy and civil society for the past quarter-century; that’s a long time, and the unraveling is considerable. You can measure it in the triumph of lies and disinformation, in the mainstreaming of racism and white supremacy, in the erosion of institutions and norms of government, and in the dehumanizing of opponents and stoking of violence. In the process, Republicans became Destructionists: They destroyed truth, they destroyed decency, they destroyed patriotism, they destroyed national unity, they destroyed racial progress, they destroyed their own party, and they are well on their way to destroying the world’s oldest democracy.
Consider just a few of the milestones along this path of destruction — all of which, we can now see, made Trump possible, if not inevitable:
Long before Trump promulgated more than 30,000 falsehoods during his presidency, including disinformation about the covid-19 pandemic that contributed to countless deaths:
Long before Trump spoke of immigrants as rapists and murderers coming from “shithole countries” and told Democratic congresswomen of color to “go back” to other countries:
Long before Trump told the violent Proud Boys to “stand by” instead of condemning them:
Long before Trump discredited democratic institutions with his “big lie” about election fraud:
Long before the dysfunction of the Trump era:
Against that quarter-century of ruin, what we are living through today is just a continuation of the GOP’s direction for the past 30 years: the appeals to white nationalism, the sabotage of the functions of government, the routine embrace of disinformation, stoking the fiction of election fraud and the “big lie,” and the steady degradation of democracy.
Now, it seems, that degradation is accelerating. We see this in the determined efforts by Republican leaders to ignore, or discredit, the truths being revealed by the House Jan. 6 select committee: Trump demanding magnetometers be removed on Jan. 6 so his armed supporters could attend his rally and then march on the Capitol; Trump ignoring pleas from aides and family members to intervene on Jan. 6 to stop the bloodshed; Trump seriously entertaining the seizing of voting machines and attempting to install new leaders at the Justice Department who would support his false fraud claims; and Trump’s allegedly still-active attempts to tamper with witnesses before the committee.
As they avert their gaze from the cascading horrors of the failed coup, Republicans are instead looking to a familiar guide: Gingrich. The former speaker, now a board member of the pro-Trump America First Policy Institute, announced this year that he is serving as a consultant to House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy and his team.
No sooner had this been disclosed than Gingrich, on Fox News, threatened the imprisonment of lawmakers serving on the Jan. 6 committee, saying they’re “going to face a real risk of jail” after Republicans take over Congress. Throwing political opponents in jail for investigating an attack on the U.S. Capitol and a coup against the U.S. government?
Replied Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, one of two Republicans on the committee: “This is what it looks like when the rule of law unravels.” But Gingrich knows that. He’s the one who first started tugging at the threads.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/04/dana-milbank-republican-destructionists-book-excerpt/?
Britney Griner has received a 9 year sentence for marijuana possession in Russia, and there’s quite a fuss in the US news outlets, but it should be remembered there are people doing yrars, even decades inside on marijuana charges in the USA.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/11/longest-serving-marijuana-drugs-prisoner-richard-delisi-florida-released
https://www.foxnews.com/us/disabled-iraq-veteran-prison-medical-marijuana
sarahs mum said:
Mike Lindell says he has poured up to $40m into wave of lawsuits and a new movie as US experts warn of threat to democracy
Peter Stone in Washington
Thu 4 Aug 2022 17.00 AEST
Last modified on Fri 5 Aug 2022 01.54 AESTThe MyPillow chief executive, Mike Lindell, a fervent Donald Trump ally, says he has poured $35-40m into a wide crusade – a wave of lawsuits to get rid of voting machines that he faults for Trump’s defeat, a new movie about voting fraud, and a hefty legal stable – to promote charges that the 2020 election was riddled with fraud, despite a flood of contrary evidence.
In his frenetic quest to dispense with electronic voting equipment that he has often charged is defective, Lindell is hosting a two-day “Moment of Truth” summit on 20 and 21 August in Missouri, that he expects will draw 200 federal and state officials and staff, as well as hundreds of representatives from groups nationwide who have investigated alleged election fraud this year and in 2020.
more..,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/mypillow-mike-lindell-trump-big-lie-election-fraud
Not to mention damage to the brand
ABC News:
‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’
Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
I mean I would think a bigger worry is pejrury charges
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
I mean I would think a bigger worry is pejrury charges
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
I mean I would think a bigger worry is pejrury charges
US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
dv said:
Britney Griner has received a 9 year sentence for marijuana possession in Russia, and there’s quite a fuss in the US news outlets, but it should be remembered there are people doing yrars, even decades inside on marijuana charges in the USA.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/11/longest-serving-marijuana-drugs-prisoner-richard-delisi-florida-released
https://www.foxnews.com/us/disabled-iraq-veteran-prison-medical-marijuana
There were people being given 300 year sentences for posessing mary jane back in the day.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I mean I would think a bigger worry is pejrury charges
US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
a friend worked for aus post probably 30 years ago. he did relief work. got $140 a day for meals and accom, plus extra for doing relief plus normal pay. was getting nearly 2 grand a week.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
a friend worked for aus post probably 30 years ago. he did relief work. got $140 a day for meals and accom, plus extra for doing relief plus normal pay. was getting nearly 2 grand a week.
Where i worked, locum docs got thousands per day, and were also furnished with a car and fuel card for private use, and accommodated (mostly) in quite nice newish houses and units at very low (subsidised) rents. Docs on longer locum contracts would often rent out their own houses ‘back home’ while they were away, and make a nice little income from that at the same time.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
The Walton heirs made 400 million dollars a day last year just for being born, and no one questions why?
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
The Walton heirs made 400 million dollars a day last year just for being born, and no one questions why?
Should we?
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
dv said:
The Walton heirs made 400 million dollars a day last year just for being born, and no one questions why?
It’s pretty obvious why.
Walmart is the world’s largest company by revenue, with about US$570 billion in annual revenue, according to the Fortune Global 500 list in May 2022. It is also the largest private employer in the world with 2.2 million employees. It is a publicly traded family-owned business, as the company is controlled by the Walton family. Sam Walton’s heirs own over 50 percent of Walmart through both their holding company Walton Enterprises and their individual holdings.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
In fairness I’d probably want a big paycheque if I was going to represent Alex Jones because I know it would ruin my professional rep…
also I’d sabotage him like his team did because he’s a total cunt
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
In fairness I’d probably want a big paycheque if I was going to represent Alex Jones because I know it would ruin my professional rep…
also I’d sabotage him like his team did because he’s a total cunt
That sounds a bit harsh.
Signed
Expert.
esselte said:
dv said:
The Walton heirs made 400 million dollars a day last year just for being born, and no one questions why?
It’s pretty obvious why.
Walmart is the world’s largest company by revenue, with about US$570 billion in annual revenue, according to the Fortune Global 500 list in May 2022. It is also the largest private employer in the world with 2.2 million employees. It is a publicly traded family-owned business, as the company is controlled by the Walton family. Sam Walton’s heirs own over 50 percent of Walmart through both their holding company Walton Enterprises and their individual holdings.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
Given that he rakes in $200k to $1.1M per day flogging useless stuff to people sucked in by his nonsense, it should be easy to pay up. Unfortunately, he has a history of not paying up.
I also hope he gets charged for his perjury.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
I heard from a third party that the magistrates who does Sunday court gets about $6000 for a days work
esselte said:
dv said:
The Walton heirs made 400 million dollars a day last year just for being born, and no one questions why?
It’s pretty obvious why.
Walmart is the world’s largest company by revenue, with about US$570 billion in annual revenue, according to the Fortune Global 500 list in May 2022. It is also the largest private employer in the world with 2.2 million employees. It is a publicly traded family-owned business, as the company is controlled by the Walton family. Sam Walton’s heirs own over 50 percent of Walmart through both their holding company Walton Enterprises and their individual holdings.
They eventually buy out Weyland Yutani and continue the xenomorph research
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
In fairness I’d probably want a big paycheque if I was going to represent Alex Jones because I know it would ruin my professional rep…
also I’d sabotage him like his team did because he’s a total cunt
That he is
Hmm this family hasn’t suffered enough what is the worst possible thing I can do to make it worse
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
Given that he rakes in $200k to $1.1M per day flogging useless stuff to people sucked in by his nonsense, it should be easy to pay up. Unfortunately, he has a history of not paying up.
I also hope he gets charged for his perjury.
I hope his lawyers got a deposit up front then.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
Given that he rakes in $200k to $1.1M per day flogging useless stuff to people sucked in by his nonsense, it should be easy to pay up. Unfortunately, he has a history of not paying up.
I also hope he gets charged for his perjury.
I hope his lawyers got a deposit up front then.
Monetary compensation is a strange punishment at times, it comes across as a cash grab even if it isn’t
Not a big deal for the mega wealth either.
I mean would you be satisfied with it or would you prefer some time alone with them tied to a chair and you have a blunt object
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Given that he rakes in $200k to $1.1M per day flogging useless stuff to people sucked in by his nonsense, it should be easy to pay up. Unfortunately, he has a history of not paying up.
I also hope he gets charged for his perjury.
I hope his lawyers got a deposit up front then.
Monetary compensation is a strange punishment at times, it comes across as a cash grab even if it isn’t
Not a big deal for the mega wealth either.
I mean would you be satisfied with it or would you prefer some time alone with them tied to a chair and you have a blunt object
I mean this is a civil suit.
Best they can hope is that he does some time inside for perjury.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Given that he rakes in $200k to $1.1M per day flogging useless stuff to people sucked in by his nonsense, it should be easy to pay up. Unfortunately, he has a history of not paying up.
I also hope he gets charged for his perjury.
I hope his lawyers got a deposit up front then.
Monetary compensation is a strange punishment at times, it comes across as a cash grab even if it isn’t
Not a big deal for the mega wealth either.
I mean would you be satisfied with it or would you prefer some time alone with them tied to a chair and you have a blunt object
This is a civil case.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Alex Jones ordered to pay parents of Sandy Hook massacre victims $US4.1m
A Texas jury orders conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to pay $US4.1 million in damages to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.’Jones had earlier said that any settlement over $ 2 million ‘would sink us’.
While that’s undoubtedly a lie (if it isn’t, it would probably be a first for Jones), it will hopefully sting him severely, and set a precedent for further similar cases which might similarly cost him.
Given that he rakes in $200k to $1.1M per day flogging useless stuff to people sucked in by his nonsense, it should be easy to pay up. Unfortunately, he has a history of not paying up.
I also hope he gets charged for his perjury.
I hope his lawyers got a deposit up front then.
I don’t know where of the money comes from in some of these cases.
Like when some circuit court judge with a drinking problem awards a travelling salesman 10 million dollars for loss of self esteem for tripping over a child’s toy of a black single mother who can barely afford her rent.
Expert.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:I hope his lawyers got a deposit up front then.
Monetary compensation is a strange punishment at times, it comes across as a cash grab even if it isn’t
Not a big deal for the mega wealth either.
I mean would you be satisfied with it or would you prefer some time alone with them tied to a chair and you have a blunt object
This is a civil case.
Its still a strange way to go.
Almost benefiting from the dead.
It proves money is valued above everything else just chuck it at a problem to make it go away.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:US lawers get $3000/hr and no-one questions y?
Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
all right, we’ll ask then
why
dv said:
Britney Griner has received a 9 year sentence for marijuana possession in Russia, and there’s quite a fuss in the US news outlets, but it should be remembered there are people doing yrars, even decades inside on marijuana charges in the USA.https://www.foxnews.com/us/disabled-iraq-veteran-prison-medical-marijuana
at least under Emperor Trump The Great they would be the same country so there wouldn’t be any of this silliness
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Britney Griner has received a 9 year sentence for marijuana possession in Russia, and there’s quite a fuss in the US news outlets, but it should be remembered there are people doing yrars, even decades inside on marijuana charges in the USA.https://www.foxnews.com/us/disabled-iraq-veteran-prison-medical-marijuana
at least under Emperor Trump The Great they would be the same country so there wouldn’t be any of this silliness
The proposed trade is one arms dealer and perhaps also a murderer for a person with prescription vape marijuana
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Britney Griner has received a 9 year sentence for marijuana possession in Russia, and there’s quite a fuss in the US news outlets, but it should be remembered there are people doing yrars, even decades inside on marijuana charges in the USA.https://www.foxnews.com/us/disabled-iraq-veteran-prison-medical-marijuana
at least under Emperor Trump The Great they would be the same country so there wouldn’t be any of this silliness
The proposed trade is one arms dealer and perhaps also a murderer for a person with prescription vape marijuana
Not sure about that hypothesis.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Britney Griner has received a 9 year sentence for marijuana possession in Russia, and there’s quite a fuss in the US news outlets, but it should be remembered there are people doing yrars, even decades inside on marijuana charges in the USA.https://www.foxnews.com/us/disabled-iraq-veteran-prison-medical-marijuana
at least under Emperor Trump The Great they would be the same country so there wouldn’t be any of this silliness
The proposed trade is one arms dealer and perhaps also a murderer for a person with prescription vape marijuana
She was probably lucky she didn’t try to enter Singapore.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Australian locum doctors get $3,500 per day, and no-one questions why?
You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
all right, we’ll ask then
why
well, hopefully is because money was made round so it could go round?
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:at least under Emperor Trump The Great they would be the same country so there wouldn’t be any of this silliness
The proposed trade is one arms dealer and perhaps also a murderer for a person with prescription vape marijuana
Not sure about that hypothesis.
The US is pushing for Moscow to accept a deal that aims to secure the release of Ms Griner that would see her, alongside former US Marine Paul Whelan, exchanged with Russian arms trafficker Viktor Bout in a prisoner swap.
“It’s a serious proposal. We urge them to accept it. They should have accepted it weeks ago when we first made it,” said White House national security spokesperson John Kirby, without offering details.
However, a source familiar with the proceedings told Reuters Russia had tried to add convicted murderer Vadim Krasikov, who is in prison in Germany, to the proposed swap.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You saying about 10% of the hourly rate of a US lawyer is not enough?
all right, we’ll ask then
why
well, hopefully is because money was made round so it could go round?
hey you know how whenever it suits people then it’s all “well that’s how supply and demand work in a Free Market, deal with it” and then suddenly when people are dying it’s “someone should regulate this shit or we’re all fucked” but actually we guess the pandemic has taught us that it’s free market all the way these days
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:all right, we’ll ask then
why
well, hopefully is because money was made round so it could go round?
hey you know how whenever it suits people then it’s all “well that’s how supply and demand work in a Free Market, deal with it” and then suddenly when people are dying it’s “someone should regulate this shit or we’re all fucked” but actually we guess the pandemic has taught us that it’s free market all the way these days
This, is because at age 15, I decided that economic studies could be crossed of my list of subjects. I already knew what made money work.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dick-cheney-calls-donald-trump-a-coward-in-liz-cheney-campaign-ad/
Former Vice President Dick Cheney blasted former President Donald Trump, calling him a “coward” and labeling him a “threat” to the country in a new campaign ad for his daughter U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney.
“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual that was a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said in the one-minute ad posted to his daughter’s Twitter on Thursday. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters rejected him.”
dv said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dick-cheney-calls-donald-trump-a-coward-in-liz-cheney-campaign-ad/Former Vice President Dick Cheney blasted former President Donald Trump, calling him a “coward” and labeling him a “threat” to the country in a new campaign ad for his daughter U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney.
“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual that was a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said in the one-minute ad posted to his daughter’s Twitter on Thursday. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters rejected him.”
What would we think of him if he didn’t back the daughter that he raised?
Members of U.S. Senate committee consider bipartisan changes to Electoral Count ActSen. Roy Blunt said the law needs to be updated and he’s pleased to be doing so in a bipartisan manner
WASHINGTON — Lawmakers and legal experts at a U.S. Senate hearing on Wednesday outlined the need to pass legislation clarifying an archaic election law so that the peaceful transfer of presidential power is ensured.
The Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act, a bipartisan bill being pushed by 16 senators, was proposed after the former president tried to exploit a law passed in the 19th century in an unsuccessful attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
The law, the Electoral Count Act, has become a recent concern following the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by supporters of former President Donald Trump.
“The will of the American people could have been overturned,” the chair of the Senate Rules and Administration Committee, Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, said in her opening statement at the hearing, speaking about the Jan. 6 insurrection.
“Enemies of our democracy sought to exploit the provisions of this antiquated law to subvert the results of a free and fair election.”
The push to clarify the election certification process comes after Trump tried to pressure former Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of the 2020 presidential election results.
The current law allows a congressional representative paired with a senator to object to a state’s electoral votes, which Republicans did.
But the vice president’s role isn’t necessarily clear, which is why Trump tried to pressure Pence into not certifying the election, along with sending a mob of pro-Trump supporters to storm the Capitol. Trump was impeached by the House for a second time for his role in the insurrection.
The bill would require 87 House members to object, rather than one, and would require 20 Senate members to object, rather than one.
The ranking member of the committee, Republican Sen. Roy Blunt of Missouri, said that the law needed to be updated and he was pleased to be doing so in a bipartisan manner.
“Written in a different age, the language of 1887, is really outdated and vague in so many ways,” Blunt said. “Both sides of the aisle want to update this act, and recent poling indicated that almost everybody that’s thought of this wants to update this act.”
https://missouriindependent.com/2022/08/04/members-of-u-s-senate-committee-consider-bipartisan-changes-to-electoral-count-act/
Democrats have made up ground in Congressional polling in the last couple of months and are now level with Republicans. This puts them in a very good position to retain the Senate but they’d really want to be a few points ahead if they want to retain the House (because of the Gerrymander).
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/2nd-legal-team-to-defend-idaho-anti-abortion-laws/277-40f94b9c-2282-481c-9768-39a720872514
Idaho Legislature brings in 2nd legal team to defend anti-abortion laws
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side.
BOISE, Idaho — This article originally appeared in the Idaho Press.
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws that are poised to take effect in Idaho later this month, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side, both at state taxpayers’ expense.
That’s because the Idaho Legislature filed to intervene in all three lawsuits challenging three separate anti-abortion laws passed in the past three years, and retained Nampa attorney Daniel Bower and Las Vegas attorney Monte Neil Stewart to argue specifically on the Legislature’s behalf. And lawmakers this year passed a new law to let either or both houses of the Legislature intervene in lawsuits challenging Idaho laws whenever they choose to do so.
The Idaho Attorney General’s office already is representing the state of Idaho in the abortion litigation, and its team has filed extensive briefing in the cases. It’ll also be at the high court making arguments on Wednesday.
“The petitioners’ briefs’ approach, in essence, is to paint a picture of a lawless, uncontrollable mob, consisting in part of rapists’ brothers, embroiling innocent medical providers in unmeritorious litigation and further injuring them with bad-faith litigation tactics beyond the control of our district courts. False picture,” Bower and Stewart wrote.
SB 1309 wouldn’t allow a rapist whose crime resulted in the aborted pregnancy to sue, but would allow that rapist’s relatives to sue. “The petitioners’ brief’s regrettable crack about ‘a rapist’s estranged brother’ … is beneath contempt,” Bower and Stewart wrote, “because it imputes the rapist’s evil to his brother and thereby denigrates the brother’s humanity. That brother has lost a niece or a nephew. That is a ‘distinct and palpable’ injury.’”
dv said:
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/2nd-legal-team-to-defend-idaho-anti-abortion-laws/277-40f94b9c-2282-481c-9768-39a720872514Idaho Legislature brings in 2nd legal team to defend anti-abortion laws
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side.BOISE, Idaho — This article originally appeared in the Idaho Press.
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws that are poised to take effect in Idaho later this month, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side, both at state taxpayers’ expense.
That’s because the Idaho Legislature filed to intervene in all three lawsuits challenging three separate anti-abortion laws passed in the past three years, and retained Nampa attorney Daniel Bower and Las Vegas attorney Monte Neil Stewart to argue specifically on the Legislature’s behalf. And lawmakers this year passed a new law to let either or both houses of the Legislature intervene in lawsuits challenging Idaho laws whenever they choose to do so.
The Idaho Attorney General’s office already is representing the state of Idaho in the abortion litigation, and its team has filed extensive briefing in the cases. It’ll also be at the high court making arguments on Wednesday.
“The petitioners’ briefs’ approach, in essence, is to paint a picture of a lawless, uncontrollable mob, consisting in part of rapists’ brothers, embroiling innocent medical providers in unmeritorious litigation and further injuring them with bad-faith litigation tactics beyond the control of our district courts. False picture,” Bower and Stewart wrote.
SB 1309 wouldn’t allow a rapist whose crime resulted in the aborted pregnancy to sue, but would allow that rapist’s relatives to sue. “The petitioners’ brief’s regrettable crack about ‘a rapist’s estranged brother’ … is beneath contempt,” Bower and Stewart wrote, “because it imputes the rapist’s evil to his brother and thereby denigrates the brother’s humanity. That brother has lost a niece or a nephew. That is a ‘distinct and palpable’ injury.’”
sorf.
I missed this tape from three weeks ago, of Bannon speaking back in 2020 outlining Trump’s plan to thwart the election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jjIi88Sa
FMD
dv said:
I missed this tape from three weeks ago, of Bannon speaking back in 2020 outlining Trump’s plan to thwart the election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jjIi88SaFMD
Is that where he says a constitutional crisis is a good thing?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/2nd-legal-team-to-defend-idaho-anti-abortion-laws/277-40f94b9c-2282-481c-9768-39a720872514Idaho Legislature brings in 2nd legal team to defend anti-abortion laws
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side.BOISE, Idaho — This article originally appeared in the Idaho Press.
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws that are poised to take effect in Idaho later this month, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side, both at state taxpayers’ expense.
That’s because the Idaho Legislature filed to intervene in all three lawsuits challenging three separate anti-abortion laws passed in the past three years, and retained Nampa attorney Daniel Bower and Las Vegas attorney Monte Neil Stewart to argue specifically on the Legislature’s behalf. And lawmakers this year passed a new law to let either or both houses of the Legislature intervene in lawsuits challenging Idaho laws whenever they choose to do so.
The Idaho Attorney General’s office already is representing the state of Idaho in the abortion litigation, and its team has filed extensive briefing in the cases. It’ll also be at the high court making arguments on Wednesday.
“The petitioners’ briefs’ approach, in essence, is to paint a picture of a lawless, uncontrollable mob, consisting in part of rapists’ brothers, embroiling innocent medical providers in unmeritorious litigation and further injuring them with bad-faith litigation tactics beyond the control of our district courts. False picture,” Bower and Stewart wrote.
SB 1309 wouldn’t allow a rapist whose crime resulted in the aborted pregnancy to sue, but would allow that rapist’s relatives to sue. “The petitioners’ brief’s regrettable crack about ‘a rapist’s estranged brother’ … is beneath contempt,” Bower and Stewart wrote, “because it imputes the rapist’s evil to his brother and thereby denigrates the brother’s humanity. That brother has lost a niece or a nephew. That is a ‘distinct and palpable’ injury.’”
sorf.
would allow that rapist’s relatives to sue
Nonsense!
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/idaho-press/2nd-legal-team-to-defend-idaho-anti-abortion-laws/277-40f94b9c-2282-481c-9768-39a720872514Idaho Legislature brings in 2nd legal team to defend anti-abortion laws
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side.BOISE, Idaho — This article originally appeared in the Idaho Press.
When the Idaho Supreme Court hears arguments Wednesday on challenges to far-reaching anti-abortion laws that are poised to take effect in Idaho later this month, two separate sets of lawyers will argue the state’s side, both at state taxpayers’ expense.
That’s because the Idaho Legislature filed to intervene in all three lawsuits challenging three separate anti-abortion laws passed in the past three years, and retained Nampa attorney Daniel Bower and Las Vegas attorney Monte Neil Stewart to argue specifically on the Legislature’s behalf. And lawmakers this year passed a new law to let either or both houses of the Legislature intervene in lawsuits challenging Idaho laws whenever they choose to do so.
The Idaho Attorney General’s office already is representing the state of Idaho in the abortion litigation, and its team has filed extensive briefing in the cases. It’ll also be at the high court making arguments on Wednesday.
“The petitioners’ briefs’ approach, in essence, is to paint a picture of a lawless, uncontrollable mob, consisting in part of rapists’ brothers, embroiling innocent medical providers in unmeritorious litigation and further injuring them with bad-faith litigation tactics beyond the control of our district courts. False picture,” Bower and Stewart wrote.
SB 1309 wouldn’t allow a rapist whose crime resulted in the aborted pregnancy to sue, but would allow that rapist’s relatives to sue. “The petitioners’ brief’s regrettable crack about ‘a rapist’s estranged brother’ … is beneath contempt,” Bower and Stewart wrote, “because it imputes the rapist’s evil to his brother and thereby denigrates the brother’s humanity. That brother has lost a niece or a nephew. That is a ‘distinct and palpable’ injury.’”
sorf.
Madness.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
I missed this tape from three weeks ago, of Bannon speaking back in 2020 outlining Trump’s plan to thwart the election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jjIi88SaFMD
Is that where he says a constitutional crisis is a good thing?
Youtube says that video isn’t available anymore?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
I missed this tape from three weeks ago, of Bannon speaking back in 2020 outlining Trump’s plan to thwart the election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jjIi88SaFMD
Is that where he says a constitutional crisis is a good thing?
Youtube says that video isn’t available anymore?
Damn
Well here https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/07/leaked-audio-steve-bannon-trump-2020-election-declare-victory/
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is that where he says a constitutional crisis is a good thing?
Youtube says that video isn’t available anymore?
Damn
Well here https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/07/leaked-audio-steve-bannon-trump-2020-election-declare-victory/
Viktor Orbán, the autocratic leader of Hungary, has urged Christian nationalists in Europe and the US to “unite our forces” during a speech to American conservatives in Texas.
The prime minister met the former US president Donald Trump in New Jersey earlier this week and, on Thursday, delivered the opening address at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Dallas, Texas.
Orbán was given a rapturous welcome despite controversy last month when he railed against Europe becoming a “mixed-race” society, comments that one of his closest aides compared to the Nazis before resigning in protest.
In his CPAC address, he sought to portray western civilization as under siege from progressives and offer a rallying cry for fighting back. He took aim at familiar targets such as illegal immigration, same-sex marriage, “leftist media” and philanthropist George Soros while quoting the Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Clint Eastwood. There were frequent cheers and applause from those present.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/viktor-orban-cpac-speech
dv said:
Viktor Orbán, the autocratic leader of Hungary, has urged Christian nationalists in Europe and the US to “unite our forces” during a speech to American conservatives in Texas.The prime minister met the former US president Donald Trump in New Jersey earlier this week and, on Thursday, delivered the opening address at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Dallas, Texas.
Orbán was given a rapturous welcome despite controversy last month when he railed against Europe becoming a “mixed-race” society, comments that one of his closest aides compared to the Nazis before resigning in protest.
In his CPAC address, he sought to portray western civilization as under siege from progressives and offer a rallying cry for fighting back. He took aim at familiar targets such as illegal immigration, same-sex marriage, “leftist media” and philanthropist George Soros while quoting the Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Clint Eastwood. There were frequent cheers and applause from those present.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/viktor-orban-cpac-speech
It is kind of a reverse siege. They are being “walled out” rather than “walled in”.
Four US police officers have been arrested and charged over the fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor.
Ms Taylor was killed in her home in Louisville, Kentucky, on 13 March 2020 by plainclothes police who were executing a “no-knock” search warrant.
The hospital worker, 26, was shot as officers stormed the apartment just after midnight while she was with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
Her death sparked racial injustice protests around the country.
Federal investigators say that three of the four officers conspired to falsify the arrest warrant that led to Ms Taylor’s death.
Only one officer involved in the raid – former Louisville detective Brett Hankison – had been previously charged over the case. He was the only one of the four indicted on Thursday who was present at the scene of Ms Taylor’s shooting.
Mr Hankison, who fired 10 shots during the raid, was acquitted by a jury earlier this year of endangering Ms Taylor’s neighbours when some of the bullets he fired entered their home.
The other officers charged by the Department of Justice are Joshua Jaynes, also a fired officer, and serving officers Kelly Hanna Goodlett and Kyle Meany. Louisville police say they are trying to fire Mr Meany and Ms Goodlett.
The search warrant obtained by police included Ms Taylor’s name and address. Authorities suspected her ex-boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover, a convicted drug trafficker, had used her apartment to hide narcotics or money.
No drugs were found at the property, though Jefferson County Prosecutor Thomas Wine said the search had been cancelled after the shooting.
*The warrant, which was signed by Mr Jaynes, said that police had confirmed packages for Glover were being sent to Ms Taylor. Investigators say they later discovered that police had never confirmed this with the postal inspector, as claimed on the warrant.
According to prosecutors, Mr Jaynes and Ms Goodlett met in a parking garage days after the shooting to arrange a cover story to justify the falsified evidence that led to the warrant.*
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62427546
That’s gotta hurt. Nearly fifty millions dollars.
Spiny Norman said:
That’s gotta hurt. Nearly fifty millions dollars.
65 mill in our dollars
Spiny Norman said:
That’s gotta hurt. Nearly fifty millions dollars.
Good. He hurt them.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biden-administration-has-reunited-400-kids-separated-from-families-at-border-during-trump-era-2022-08-03
The Biden administration has reunited 400 children with their parents after they had been separated as migrants at the southern border under the Trump administration, according to multiple published reports. An NBC News report said more than 5,000 families were separated during the Trump era, advocates estimate that more than 1,000 remain separated, and a lack of records has made it difficult for the task force
dv said:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biden-administration-has-reunited-400-kids-separated-from-families-at-border-during-trump-era-2022-08-03The Biden administration has reunited 400 children with their parents after they had been separated as migrants at the southern border under the Trump administration, according to multiple published reports. An NBC News report said more than 5,000 families were separated during the Trump era, advocates estimate that more than 1,000 remain separated, and a lack of records has made it difficult for the task force
Bloody!
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biden-administration-has-reunited-400-kids-separated-from-families-at-border-during-trump-era-2022-08-03The Biden administration has reunited 400 children with their parents after they had been separated as migrants at the southern border under the Trump administration, according to multiple published reports. An NBC News report said more than 5,000 families were separated during the Trump era, advocates estimate that more than 1,000 remain separated, and a lack of records has made it difficult for the task force
Bloody!
So, this means records were not kept of who was who?
buffy said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biden-administration-has-reunited-400-kids-separated-from-families-at-border-during-trump-era-2022-08-03The Biden administration has reunited 400 children with their parents after they had been separated as migrants at the southern border under the Trump administration, according to multiple published reports. An NBC News report said more than 5,000 families were separated during the Trump era, advocates estimate that more than 1,000 remain separated, and a lack of records has made it difficult for the task force
Bloody!
So, this means records were not kept of who was who?
It’s no surprise that antigovernment types suck at governance
dv said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:Bloody!
So, this means records were not kept of who was who?
It’s no surprise that antigovernment types suck at governance
well if you don’t keep any records of your undocumented immigrants then you don’t have a… wait
buffy said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biden-administration-has-reunited-400-kids-separated-from-families-at-border-during-trump-era-2022-08-03The Biden administration has reunited 400 children with their parents after they had been separated as migrants at the southern border under the Trump administration, according to multiple published reports. An NBC News report said more than 5,000 families were separated during the Trump era, advocates estimate that more than 1,000 remain separated, and a lack of records has made it difficult for the task force
Bloody!
So, this means records were not kept of who was who?
we knew this at the time.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
That’s gotta hurt. Nearly fifty millions dollars.
Good. He hurt them.
Beau says that the amount awarded may be decreased due to applying some Texan thing/quirk/ratio. compensatory vs civil damages. but there are more cases to follow.
yeah all about punishment
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/08/05/july-jobs-report-unemployment-rate-3-5-528-000-jobs-added/10243309002/
Economy adds 528,000 jobs in July as hiring surges despite high inflation. US recovers all jobs lost in COVID.
U.S. employers added a booming 528,000 jobs in July as the labor market now has recovered all 22 million jobs lost in the COVID-19 pandemic and continued to defy soaring inflation, rising interest rates and a slowing economy.
The unemployment rate fell from 3.6% to 3.5%, matching a 50-year low reached just before the pandemic began in early 2020, the Labor Department said Friday.
Economists had estimated that 250,000 jobs were added last month, according to a Bloomberg survey.
“The economy is not falling into recession,” says Brian Bethune, an economist at Boston College. “It is actually picking up speed as demand for services accelerates in a post COVID-19 environment.”
The FBI’s investigation of Brett Kavanaugh relied on a tip line which received several complaints about BK’s behaviour. It has emerged now that the FBI did not do any investigative work, but instead simply filtered out tips related to Kavanaugh and forwarded the details to the White House, who did not authorise any further investigation.
The following testimony is by Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Christopher Wray in front of the Judiciary Committee this week. He is being questioned by Sheldon Whitehouse (don’t be confused by the name).
Whitehouse: As you know, we are now entering the fourth year of a frustrating saga that began with an August 2019 letter from me and Sen. Coons, regarding the Kavanaugh supplemental background investigation. And I’d like to try to get that matter wrapped up.
First, is it true that after Kavanaugh-related tips were separated from regular tipline traffic, they were forwarded to White House counsel without investigation?
Wray: I apologize in advance that it has been frustrating for you. We have tried to be clear in our process. So when it comes to the tipline, we wanted to make sure that the White House had all the information we have, so when the hundreds of calls start coming in, we gathered those up, reviewed them and provided them to the White House…
Whitehouse: Without investigation?
(long pause)
Wray: We reviewed them and then provided them to…
Whitehouse: You reviewed them for purposes of separating them from tipline traffic, but did not further investigate the ones that related to Kavanaugh, correct?
Wray: Correct.
Whitehouse: Is it also true that, in that supplemental BI, the FBI took direction from the White House as to whom the FBI would question and even what questions the FBI would ask?
Wray: So, it is true that, consistent with the longstanding process that we have had going all the way back to at least the Bush administration, the Obama administration, the Trump administration, and continue to follow currently under the Biden administration, that in a limited supplemental BI, we take direction from the requesting entity, which in this case was the White House, as to what followup they want. That’s the direction we’ve followed. That’s the direction we’ve consistently followed throughout the decades, frankly. You asked specifically about “who” and “what”?
Whitehouse: Yeah. Is it true?
Wray: It is true as to the “who.” I’m not sure as I sit here whether it’s also true as to the “what questions,” but it is true as to the “who” we interviewed.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a40811337/fbi-brett-kavanaugh-tip-line/
dv said:
The FBI’s investigation of Brett Kavanaugh relied on a tip line which received several complaints about BK’s behaviour. It has emerged now that the FBI did not do any investigative work, but instead simply filtered out tips related to Kavanaugh and forwarded the details to the White House, who did not authorise any further investigation.
The following testimony is by Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Christopher Wray in front of the Judiciary Committee this week. He is being questioned by Sheldon Whitehouse (don’t be confused by the name).
Whitehouse: As you know, we are now entering the fourth year of a frustrating saga that began with an August 2019 letter from me and Sen. Coons, regarding the Kavanaugh supplemental background investigation. And I’d like to try to get that matter wrapped up.
First, is it true that after Kavanaugh-related tips were separated from regular tipline traffic, they were forwarded to White House counsel without investigation?
Wray: I apologize in advance that it has been frustrating for you. We have tried to be clear in our process. So when it comes to the tipline, we wanted to make sure that the White House had all the information we have, so when the hundreds of calls start coming in, we gathered those up, reviewed them and provided them to the White House…
Whitehouse: Without investigation?
(long pause)
Wray: We reviewed them and then provided them to…
Whitehouse: You reviewed them for purposes of separating them from tipline traffic, but did not further investigate the ones that related to Kavanaugh, correct?
Wray: Correct.
Whitehouse: Is it also true that, in that supplemental BI, the FBI took direction from the White House as to whom the FBI would question and even what questions the FBI would ask?
Wray: So, it is true that, consistent with the longstanding process that we have had going all the way back to at least the Bush administration, the Obama administration, the Trump administration, and continue to follow currently under the Biden administration, that in a limited supplemental BI, we take direction from the requesting entity, which in this case was the White House, as to what followup they want. That’s the direction we’ve followed. That’s the direction we’ve consistently followed throughout the decades, frankly. You asked specifically about “who” and “what”?
Whitehouse: Yeah. Is it true?
Wray: It is true as to the “who.” I’m not sure as I sit here whether it’s also true as to the “what questions,” but it is true as to the “who” we interviewed.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a40811337/fbi-brett-kavanaugh-tip-line/
Bottom line: investigation was a sham.
Alex Jones, your first class, one-way ticket to Hell is ready:
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/files-sent-by-alex-jones-included-child-pornography-sandy-hook-lawyers-say/
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for security
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for securityhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
More guns and ammo in schools, that’s reassuring.
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for securityhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
This can only lead to an all out arms race. Greene County, Tennessee – just north of Madison is already considering equipping the local kindergartens with Barrett M82 50 Cal sniper rifles; whilst Yancey County to the east is contemplating the Carl Gustaf 84 mm recoilless rifle for all their junior schools. Taxes will no doubt need to rise to support the ever burgeoning defence budgets of middle schools, but no true red blooded American would bemoan at the necessity.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for securityhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
More guns and ammo in schools, that’s reassuring.
Teach the kids all about death and mayhem?
sibeen said:
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for securityhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
This can only lead to an all out arms race. Greene County, Tennessee – just north of Madison is already considering equipping the local kindergartens with Barrett M82 50 Cal sniper rifles; whilst Yancey County to the east is contemplating the Carl Gustaf 84 mm recoilless rifle for all their junior schools. Taxes will no doubt need to rise to support the ever burgeoning defence budgets of middle schools, but no true red blooded American would bemoan at the necessity.
If the war goes on ~ Hermann Hesse
sibeen said:
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for securityhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
This can only lead to an all out arms race. Greene County, Tennessee – just north of Madison is already considering equipping the local kindergartens with Barrett M82 50 Cal sniper rifles; whilst Yancey County to the east is contemplating the Carl Gustaf 84 mm recoilless rifle for all their junior schools. Taxes will no doubt need to rise to support the ever burgeoning defence budgets of middle schools, but no true red blooded American would bemoan at the necessity.
I think the M242 Bushmaster 25mm autocannon is much better suited to the school environment than the Carl Gustav.
just watched a Beau
Let’s talk about an important message from New York….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QJqRsTzxA
It looks like the states is having a polio outbreak.
sarahs mum said:
just watched a BeauLet’s talk about an important message from New York….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QJqRsTzxAIt looks like the states is having a polio outbreak.
fn polio. polio..
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
just watched a BeauLet’s talk about an important message from New York….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QJqRsTzxAIt looks like the states is having a polio outbreak.
fn polio. polio..
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/polio-virus-hundreds-of-infections-possible-new-york-health-department/
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for securityhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3590055-north-carolina-county-putting-ar-15s-in-every-school-for-security/
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
More guns and ammo in schools, that’s reassuring.
You left a tag off.
Fixed.
/end sarcasm
captain_spalding said:
Alex Jones, your first class, one-way ticket to Hell is ready:https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/files-sent-by-alex-jones-included-child-pornography-sandy-hook-lawyers-say/
Oh dear.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
North Carolina county putting AR-15s in every school for security
The school system in Madison County, N.C., plans to put AR-15 rifles in emergency safes in each of its six schools as a part of a plan for enhanced security in the wake of the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting earlier this year.
“We were able to put an AR-15 rifle and safes in all of our schools in the county,” Sheriff Buddy Harwood told the Asheville Citizen-Times. “We’ve also got breaching tools to go into those safes. We’ve got extra magazines with ammo in those safes.”
More guns and ammo in schools, that’s reassuring.
You left a tag off.
Fixed.
/end sarcasm
maybe what they’re saying is that the rifles are already at school and they’re just going to lock them up
In the Alex Jones case his phone contents were revealed. He was at Jan 6.
Beau
Let’s talk about Jones, phones, and the committee….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7LMUze6Dq0
You gotta wonder if the lawyer leak was deliberate :)
party_pants said:
You gotta wonder if the lawyer leak was deliberate :)
it is the rumour.
Boris said:
party_pants said:
You gotta wonder if the lawyer leak was deliberate :)
it is the rumour.
How low do you have to be that even American lawyers supposedly acting in your defence will sabotage your case?
captain_spalding said:
Boris said:
party_pants said:
You gotta wonder if the lawyer leak was deliberate :)
it is the rumour.
How low do you have to be that even American lawyers supposedly acting in your defence will sabotage your case?
As low as A Jones.
Pro-Trump apparel company fined for falsely labeling products “Made in USA”
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/07/lions-not-sheep-made-in-usa
dv said:
Pro-Trump apparel company fined for falsely labeling products “Made in USA”https://www.axios.com/2022/08/07/lions-not-sheep-made-in-usa
Whalen posted a video of himself in October 2020, saying he could “conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the origin tags and replacing them,” according to the commission’s original complaint.
LOL, the stupid is bigly in this one.
Boris said:
dv said:
Pro-Trump apparel company fined for falsely labeling products “Made in USA”
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/07/lions-not-sheep-made-in-usa
Whalen posted a video of himself in October 2020, saying he could “conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the origin tags and replacing them,” according to the commission’s original complaint.
LOL, the stupid is bigly in this one.
but if they do the ripping out and replacing part in the USA then they can claim that part of the manufacturing process and therefore they’re telling the truth
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
dv said:
Pro-Trump apparel company fined for falsely labeling products “Made in USA”
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/07/lions-not-sheep-made-in-usa
Whalen posted a video of himself in October 2020, saying he could “conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the origin tags and replacing them,” according to the commission’s original complaint.
LOL, the stupid is bigly in this one.
but if they do the ripping out and replacing part in the USA then they can claim that part of the manufacturing process and therefore they’re telling the truth
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/07/politics/senate-democrats-climate-health-care-bill-vote/index.html
(CNN)The Senate on Sunday afternoon passed Democrats’ $750 billion health care, tax and climate bill, in a significant victory for President Joe Biden and his party.
The final, party-line vote was 51-50, with Vice President Kamala Harris breaking the tie. The package is the product of painstaking negotiations, and its final passage would give Democrats a chance to achieve major policy objectives ahead of the upcoming midterm elections.
The Democrat-controlled House, which is expected to take up the legislation on Friday, August 12, must approve the bill before Biden can sign it into law.
The sweeping bill — named the Inflation Reduction Act — would represent the largest climate investment in US history and make major changes to health policy by giving Medicare the power for the first time to negotiate the prices of certain prescription drugs and extending expiring health care subsidies for three years. The legislation would reduce the deficit, be paid for through new taxes — including a 15% minimum tax on large corporations and a 1% tax on stock buybacks — and boost the Internal Revenue Service’s ability to collect.
It would raise over $700 billion in government revenue over 10 years and spend over $430 billion to reduce carbon emissions and extend subsidies for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act and use the rest of the new revenue to reduce the deficit.
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/07/politics/senate-democrats-climate-health-care-bill-vote/index.html(CNN)The Senate on Sunday afternoon passed Democrats’ $750 billion health care, tax and climate bill, in a significant victory for President Joe Biden and his party.
The final, party-line vote was 51-50, with Vice President Kamala Harris breaking the tie. The package is the product of painstaking negotiations, and its final passage would give Democrats a chance to achieve major policy objectives ahead of the upcoming midterm elections.
The Democrat-controlled House, which is expected to take up the legislation on Friday, August 12, must approve the bill before Biden can sign it into law.
The sweeping bill — named the Inflation Reduction Act — would represent the largest climate investment in US history and make major changes to health policy by giving Medicare the power for the first time to negotiate the prices of certain prescription drugs and extending expiring health care subsidies for three years. The legislation would reduce the deficit, be paid for through new taxes — including a 15% minimum tax on large corporations and a 1% tax on stock buybacks — and boost the Internal Revenue Service’s ability to collect.
It would raise over $700 billion in government revenue over 10 years and spend over $430 billion to reduce carbon emissions and extend subsidies for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act and use the rest of the new revenue to reduce the deficit.
Yay!
Boris said:
dv said:
Pro-Trump apparel company fined for falsely labeling products “Made in USA”https://www.axios.com/2022/08/07/lions-not-sheep-made-in-usa
Whalen posted a video of himself in October 2020, saying he could “conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the origin tags and replacing them,” according to the commission’s original complaint.
LOL, the stupid is bigly in this one.
China china china.
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
dv said:
Pro-Trump apparel company fined for falsely labeling products “Made in USA”https://www.axios.com/2022/08/07/lions-not-sheep-made-in-usa
Whalen posted a video of himself in October 2020, saying he could “conceal the fact that his shirts are made in China by ripping out the origin tags and replacing them,” according to the commission’s original complaint.
LOL, the stupid is bigly in this one.
China china china.
Perhaps it only referred to the label
Conservatives are just straight crazy these days.
Following his screeds against race mixing, Victor Orban flew to Texas to be hailed as a hero by the Conservative Political Action Conference. The Conference poll also voted for Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2024.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/viktor-orban-cpac-trump-gop-hungary-leader-rcna40199
But they also built a fake jail cell and put one of the Jan 6 defendents in an orange jumpsuit, for people to visit and drop money to. Attendees at CPAC, the massive annual conservative activist conference, were given bluetooth headphones, emblazoned with the word “silence,” where they were invited to listen to audio accounts from January 6 defendants who have been jailed due to the Capitol riot. Some spectators wept. Some threw money into the cage. Others came up close to mutter words of comfort and support to the emotionally distraught man inside, who was alternating sitting on a bare cot with his head in his hands, and writing sad slogans on a blackboard like “Where is Everyone?” Among those in the audience was Zuny Duarte, mother of Enrique Tarrio, the jailed ex-chairman of the Proud Boys facing seditious conspiracy charges for his role in the Capitol. One man, wearing a T-shirt saying “Correctional Officers for Trump 2020” pointed at his chest, making sure the “jailed” activist saw, and said “”I know how it works, man.” Then … Marjorie Taylor Greene showed up and got in the cage with him
dv said:
Conservatives are just straight crazy these days.Following his screeds against race mixing, Victor Orban flew to Texas to be hailed as a hero by the Conservative Political Action Conference. The Conference poll also voted for Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2024.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/viktor-orban-cpac-trump-gop-hungary-leader-rcna40199
But they also built a fake jail cell and put one of the Jan 6 defendents in an orange jumpsuit, for people to visit and drop money to. Attendees at CPAC, the massive annual conservative activist conference, were given bluetooth headphones, emblazoned with the word “silence,” where they were invited to listen to audio accounts from January 6 defendants who have been jailed due to the Capitol riot. Some spectators wept. Some threw money into the cage. Others came up close to mutter words of comfort and support to the emotionally distraught man inside, who was alternating sitting on a bare cot with his head in his hands, and writing sad slogans on a blackboard like “Where is Everyone?” Among those in the audience was Zuny Duarte, mother of Enrique Tarrio, the jailed ex-chairman of the Proud Boys facing seditious conspiracy charges for his role in the Capitol. One man, wearing a T-shirt saying “Correctional Officers for Trump 2020” pointed at his chest, making sure the “jailed” activist saw, and said “”I know how it works, man.” Then … Marjorie Taylor Greene showed up and got in the cage with him
Pass him a note “You purdy boy, you make a fine bitch for someone in jail”
Cymek said:
dv said:
Conservatives are just straight crazy these days.Following his screeds against race mixing, Victor Orban flew to Texas to be hailed as a hero by the Conservative Political Action Conference. The Conference poll also voted for Trump to be the Republican nominee in 2024.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/viktor-orban-cpac-trump-gop-hungary-leader-rcna40199
But they also built a fake jail cell and put one of the Jan 6 defendents in an orange jumpsuit, for people to visit and drop money to. Attendees at CPAC, the massive annual conservative activist conference, were given bluetooth headphones, emblazoned with the word “silence,” where they were invited to listen to audio accounts from January 6 defendants who have been jailed due to the Capitol riot. Some spectators wept. Some threw money into the cage. Others came up close to mutter words of comfort and support to the emotionally distraught man inside, who was alternating sitting on a bare cot with his head in his hands, and writing sad slogans on a blackboard like “Where is Everyone?” Among those in the audience was Zuny Duarte, mother of Enrique Tarrio, the jailed ex-chairman of the Proud Boys facing seditious conspiracy charges for his role in the Capitol. One man, wearing a T-shirt saying “Correctional Officers for Trump 2020” pointed at his chest, making sure the “jailed” activist saw, and said “”I know how it works, man.” Then … Marjorie Taylor Greene showed up and got in the cage with him
Pass him a note “You purdy boy, you make a fine bitch for someone in jail”
Modern equivalent of throwing rotten eggs at someone tied up to a stake?
Trump suggests abolishing Department of Education to stop ‘radicalisation’ of children
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-news-cpac-children-b2140035.html
dv said:
Trump suggests abolishing Department of Education to stop ‘radicalisation’ of childrenhttps://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-news-cpac-children-b2140035.html
What a fuckwit.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Trump suggests abolishing Department of Education to stop ‘radicalisation’ of childrenhttps://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-news-cpac-children-b2140035.html
What a fuckwit.
74,216,154 fuckwits voted for him too.
Imagine 74,216,154 fuckwits, all intellectually impaired in some way.
Seventy four million, two hundred and sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty four.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Seventy four million, two hundred and sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty four.
Imagine if they all had to do a logic and ethics test.
Imagine the result.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Trump suggests abolishing Department of Education to stop ‘radicalisation’ of childrenhttps://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-news-cpac-children-b2140035.html
What a fuckwit.
74,216,154 fuckwits voted for him too.
Imagine 74,216,154 fuckwits, all intellectually impaired in some way.
rupert counts on it.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:What a fuckwit.
74,216,154 fuckwits voted for him too.
Imagine 74,216,154 fuckwits, all intellectually impaired in some way.
rupert counts on it.
I wonder how Rupert voted?
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Trump suggests abolishing Department of Education to stop ‘radicalisation’ of children
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-news-cpac-children-b2140035.html
What a fuckwit.
74,216,154 fuckwits voted for him too.
Imagine 74,216,154 fuckwits, all intellectually impaired in some way.
rupert counts on it.
Imagine if they all had to do a logic and ethics test.
Imagine the result.
we all jest but remember, despite the existence of all that education, there were those 74,216,154 anyway so
maybe there’s an element of positive value in the idea
Tau.Neutrino said:
What the Alex Jones trial means for the future of conspiracy culture
ah well at least Pizzagate peoples got done for less
The New York Times
30 mins ·
Donald Trump told his top White House aide that he wished he had generals like the ones who had reported to Adolf Hitler, saying they were “totally loyal” to the leader of the Nazi regime, according to a forthcoming book about the former president.
(CNN)Michigan’s Democratic attorney general is calling for a special prosecutor to investigate her Donald Trump-backed challenger after finding evidence linking him to a potentially criminal plot to seize and tamper with voting machines used in the 2020 election, according to a letter obtained by CNN and documents released Monday by the attorney general’s office.
For months, the Michigan State Police and the attorney general’s office have been investigating a series of voting machine breaches that took place in several counties around the state last year. According to the documents released Monday, that probe has led investigators to Kalamazoo-based lawyer Matthew DePerno, a Republican candidate running against incumbent Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel.
Trump has thrown his support behind DePerno, and he picked up an endorsement earlier this year from Michigan Republican Party activists, paving the way for him to officially become the GOP nominee for attorney general at the party convention later this month. He is one of several Trump-backed election deniers who are currently running to become the top law enforcement officer or the top election official in their states.
Nessel is now asking for a special prosecutor to be appointed to avoid a potential conflict of interest. The investigation into voting machine breaches has unearthed facts that indicate DePerno and two other associates may have broken the law when they “orchestrated a coordinated plan to gain access to voting tabulators,” according to Nessel’s office.
“When this investigation began there was not a conflict of interest. However, during the course of the investigation, facts were developed that DePerno was one of the prime instigators of the conspiracy,” Nessel’s office wrote in an August 5 petition for the Prosecuting Attorneys Coordinating Counsel to appoint a special prosecutor.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/matthew-deperno-michigan-attorney-general/index.html
After fighting for 20 years over who owns the salmon in the Klamath river…
The New York Times
19 mins ·
Flash floods after the McKinney fire in California pushed burned soil, rocks and timber into the Klamath River, killing thousands of fish, local tribal leaders said.
“It smells vile,” a member of the Karuk Tribe said. “If it was in that river, it died.”
Former US president Donald Trump said on Monday his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida was raided by FBI agents.
“After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate,” Mr Trump said in a statement.
Donald Trump alleges FBI agents raiding his Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Florida
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-09/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-donald-trump-says/101313678
sibeen said:
Donald Trump alleges FBI agents raiding his Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Floridahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-09/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-donald-trump-says/101313678
Did they look under his bed for anything red
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Donald Trump alleges FBI agents raiding his Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Floridahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-09/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-donald-trump-says/101313678
Did they look under his bed for anything red
He doesn’t read.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Donald Trump alleges FBI agents raiding his Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Floridahttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-09/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-donald-trump-says/101313678
Did they look under his bed for anything red
‘They Even Broke Into My Safe’
sarahs mum said:
‘They Even Broke Into My Safe’
That’s good.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
‘They Even Broke Into My Safe’
That’s good.
He’s got to be really daft if he hasn’t got rid of stuff by now.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
‘They Even Broke Into My Safe’
That’s good.
He’s got to be really daft if he hasn’t got rid of stuff by now.
Mementos like a serial killer
The New York Times
42 mins ·
A lawyer for plaintiffs who are suing Alex Jones turned over more than two years’ worth of text messages from Jones’s phone to the Jan. 6 committee. But the files do not appear to include text messages from the day of Jan. 6, 2021, and the weeks building up to the attack.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
‘They Even Broke Into My Safe’
That’s good.
He’s got to be really daft if he hasn’t got rid of stuff by now.
This is Donald Trump we’re talking about here.
‘Tucker Carlson ‘Shitting Himself’ Scared That His Alex Jones Texts May Leak’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-shitting-himself-scared-that-his-alex-jones-texts-may-leak
captain_spalding said:
‘Tucker Carlson ‘Shitting Himself’ Scared That His Alex Jones Texts May Leak’https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-shitting-himself-scared-that-his-alex-jones-texts-may-leak
These people are dumb or arrogant or both when it comes to phone records and messages and emails
Surely given time you’d make damn sure anything incriminating is at least removed from your phone/PC, etc
Can’t do much about other records but at least take care of your own.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Tucker Carlson ‘Shitting Himself’ Scared That His Alex Jones Texts May Leak’https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-shitting-himself-scared-that-his-alex-jones-texts-may-leak
These people are dumb or arrogant or both when it comes to phone records and messages and emails
Surely given time you’d make damn sure anything incriminating is at least removed from your phone/PC, etc
Can’t do much about other records but at least take care of your own.
but given how extensively data logs are kept it doesn’t take an idiot to fail to erase every single bit of evidence
It’s sort of déjà vu, but it’s been a long time in coming around:
FBI arrives at Al Capone’s house in South Florida, early 1930s:
SCIENCE said:
but given how extensively data logs are kept it doesn’t take an idiot to fail to erase every single bit of evidence
Yeah, but you could at least make them work for it with subpoenas and warrants and searches and stuff like that.
Not just hand it all over to them, 100% intact, like a present.
captain_spalding said:
‘Tucker Carlson ‘Shitting Himself’ Scared That His Alex Jones Texts May Leak’https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-shitting-himself-scared-that-his-alex-jones-texts-may-leak
Good.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
but given how extensively data logs are kept it doesn’t take an idiot to fail to erase every single bit of evidence
Yeah, but you could at least make them work for it with subpoenas and warrants and searches and stuff like that.
Not just hand it all over to them, 100% intact, like a present.
well maybe there’s also the god invincibility complex thing where they’re so confident that they’re on the right side of history that flagrantly offending is seen as a virtue
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Tucker Carlson ‘Shitting Himself’ Scared That His Alex Jones Texts May Leak’https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-shitting-himself-scared-that-his-alex-jones-texts-may-leak
These people are dumb or arrogant or both when it comes to phone records and messages and emails
Surely given time you’d make damn sure anything incriminating is at least removed from your phone/PC, etc
Can’t do much about other records but at least take care of your own.
but given how extensively data logs are kept it doesn’t take an idiot to fail to erase every single bit of evidence
That is true but that often seem to leave large amounts behind of the system they have control of
I mean if you were facing serious charges based on digital data wouldn’t you delete them all and reformat the storage devices and factory reset them.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
but given how extensively data logs are kept it doesn’t take an idiot to fail to erase every single bit of evidence
Yeah, but you could at least make them work for it with subpoenas and warrants and searches and stuff like that.
Not just hand it all over to them, 100% intact, like a present.
well maybe there’s also the god invincibility complex thing where they’re so confident that they’re on the right side of history that flagrantly offending is seen as a virtue
Yes that was what I was wondering
Are people so deluded they believe the transparent lies
I mean you pick much of it by the language they use as well
Cymek said:
Are people so deluded they believe the transparent lies
Yes.
There are deluded people in the USA.
I counted them. There are around 74,216,154.
Seventy four million, two hundred and sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty four.
How can you make America great again when there are so many deluded people?
What do you do with so many of them?
SCIENCE said:
well maybe there’s also the god invincibility complex thing where they’re so confident that they’re on the right side of history that flagrantly offending is seen as a virtue
They come to believe that they have much more power than they do, or that their powerful friends will protect them, and that agencies and institutions like the FBI and the courts are merely the tools of their powerful friends, only to be used ‘against’ their ‘enemies’, and that they’re untouchable to those same agencies and institutions. So, prudence is an unnecessary virtue for them.
In a word, hubris.
Tau.Neutrino said:
There are deluded people in the USA.I counted them. There are around 74,216,154.
Seventy four million, two hundred and sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty four.
How can you make America great again when there are so many deluded people?
What do you do with so many of them?
The entire make America great again seems to be rooted back when the USA was an unchallenged superpower that acted even worse that it does now and lots of rights didn’t exist
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
There are deluded people in the USA.I counted them. There are around 74,216,154.
Seventy four million, two hundred and sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty four.
How can you make America great again when there are so many deluded people?
What do you do with so many of them?
The entire make America great again seems to be rooted back when the USA was an unchallenged superpower that acted even worse that it does now and lots of rights didn’t exist
‘Feds likely obtained ‘pulverizing’ amount of evidence ahead of searching Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, legal experts say’
https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-likely-obtained-pulverizing-amount-031253827.html
captain_spalding said:
‘Feds likely obtained ‘pulverizing’ amount of evidence ahead of searching Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, legal experts say’https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-likely-obtained-pulverizing-amount-031253827.html
He’s gone, they’ve got him this time.
Queensland has peaked as natures disinfectant returns to cleans and warm.
captain_spalding said:
‘Feds likely obtained ‘pulverizing’ amount of evidence ahead of searching Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, legal experts say’https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-likely-obtained-pulverizing-amount-031253827.html
I’d expect so.
Will Steakin
@wsteaks
Trump now fundraising off FBI searching Mar A Lago:
“Please rush in a donation IMMEDIATELY to publicly stand with me against this NEVERENDING WITCH HUNT.”
Hugo Lowell
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The Guardian: The statute governing the unlawful removal or destruction of presidential records — though rarely enforced — carries significant penalties: fines, imprisonment and, most notably, disqualification from holding office.
11:59 AM · Aug 9, 2022
6m ago
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House Democrats to receive Trump’s tax returns
In an investigation unrelated to the FBI search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, the House ways and means committee has announced that a Washington court of appeals has ruled in its favor and that the committee will be receiving Trump’s much-sought after tax returns and audit files “immediately”.
Mike Pence
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I share the deep concern of millions of Americans over the unprecedented search of the personal residence of President Trump. No former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence in American history.
sarahs mum said:
Mike Pence
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I share the deep concern of millions of Americans over the unprecedented search of the personal residence of President Trump. No former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence in American history.
He tried to have you killed, Mike. No one expects you to keep running defence for him.
Sawyer Hackett
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For the Fox News viewers, the Director of the FBI—who approved the raid on Trump’s home—was appointed by him five years ago this week.
Attorneys for right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones accidentally sent his legal adversaries a nude photo of his wife that he had texted to the conservative political operative Roger Stone.
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isn’t life strange.
sarahs mum said:
Attorneys for right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones accidentally sent his legal adversaries a nude photo of his wife that he had texted to the conservative political operative Roger Stone.—
isn’t life strange.
LOL
After Mar-a-Lago search, Fox News, Trump supporters decry ‘abuse’ of power
By Timothy Bella
August 9, 2022 at 11:18 a.m. EDT
Not long after former president Donald Trump said that the FBI had searched his residence and safe at his Mar-a-Lago Club as part of an investigation, Fox News host Sean Hannity echoed the dozens of Trump supporters protesting outside the South Florida resort and claimed that what happened Monday amounted to “a dark day for our republic, the Department of Justice, the rule of law.”
“Make no mistake,” Hannity said, “if you are associated with Donald Trump in any way, you better cross all your i’s and dot all your t’s, because they’re coming for you with the full force of the federal government.”
Hannity was among the conservative and right-leaning media figures coming to the defense of Trump in the hours after his club was searched in a court-authorized proceeding that is part of a long-running investigation of whether documents were taken to the former president’s private golf club and residence instead of sent to the National Archives after he left office.
Even though the investigation is looking into whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties, Trump allies went on right-leaning cable news networks to denounce the search for hours on Monday night as “the worst attack on this republic in modern history.”
As images of Trump supporters waving flags and holding signs saying, “In Trump I Trust,” played on Fox News, host Laura Ingraham demanded that Republicans purge the federal government if they retake power in Congress.
“When we get power back, it’s time to hold everyone accountable — the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in Congress who have abused their power,” she said. “All of them have to be held accountable.”
Former Trump adviser and right-wing podcaster Stephen K. Bannon said on Fox News that the FBI, an agency led by a director who was nominated by Trump, was “the Gestapo.”
“We’re at war,” said Bannon, who has been convicted of contempt of Congress for his refusal to provide documents or testimony to a House committee probing the Jan. 6, 2021, attack.
The search is the latest historic development in Trump’s tenuous and tortured relationship with the Justice Department, both during and after his time in the White House. Although searching a former president’s property to look for possible evidence of a crime is highly unusual, such a search is possible as long as it receives approval at the top levels of the Justice Department.
The investigation apparently began months ago. The National Archives and Records Administration said in January that it had retrieved 15 boxes of documents and other items from Mar-a-Lago, and Archives officials noted at the time that the boxes should have been turned over when Trump left the White House.
Trump, who compared the search to Watergate in a lengthy statement, accused the FBI of “even” breaking into his safe but did not give additional details about what federal agents were looking for on Monday. He also claimed, without evidence, that Democrats were weaponizing the “justice system” against him through a search he said was not “necessary or appropriate.”
GOP allies have echoed Trump’s claims that the search amounted to a political attack meant to hurt him if he runs for president again. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said in a statement that the Justice Department has “reached an intolerable state of weaponized politicization,” while Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) pushed on Twitter to “DEFUND THE FBI!”
Some of the strongest reactions from conservative and right-leaning media started trickling in on Fox News on “Jesse Watters Primetime,” where the host called for FBI Director Christopher A. Wray’s firing, and guest Dan Bongino compared what happened to Trump to something that would unfold in a “third-world” country. On “Hannity,” Fox News host Mark Levin called in to the show and argued that the search of the former president’s estate was not only egregious but historic for all the wrong reasons.
“This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history. Period,” Levin said. “And it’s not just an attack on Donald Trump. It’s an attack on everybody who supports him.”
In the same hour of television, Eric Trump came to his father’s defense by claiming to Hannity that his father has long enjoyed keeping files and other items over the years.
“My father always kept press clippings, newspaper articles, pictures, notes from us,” he said. “He had boxes. He moved out of the White House. He’s very collaborative. If you want to search for anything, come right ahead. It was an open-door policy, and all of a sudden 30 agents descend upon Mar-a-Lago?”
A common theme throughout the night’s coverage among right-leaning news outlets was that the search was meant to impede Donald Trump’s potential run for the White House in 2024. On Newsmax, former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik even went so far as to suggest, without evidence, that he was worried about the “assassination” of Trump as a result of his potentially running for president again.
“This is the first time in my lifetime that I would say I am deathly afraid for Donald Trump,” Kerik told Newsmax host Eric Bolling.
Just days after a Texas jury decided that Alex Jones must pay more than $49 million in compensatory and punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim for his false claims about the mass killing, he welcomed Trump confidant Roger Stone on his Infowars show to lament what he called “a very sad day for America.”
Jones and Stone, who have been subpoenaed by the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, agreed that what happened to Trump was “the kind of thing you expect to see in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany or communist Cuba.”
As pundits went on air to defend Trump, dozens of the former president’s supporters camped outside of Mar-a-Lago to show their love for Trump, even though he wasn’t at the Palm Beach residence. Videos and images posted to social media show cars and trucks waving American flags and Trump flags, including one vehicle that had a Trump-Pence banner with the former vice president’s name crossed out.
The sympathetic coverage of Trump following the search of Mar-a-Lago on conservative, right-leaning and far-right outlets was called out by MSNBC host Joe Scarborough on Tuesday morning.
“They’re saying ugly things on Fox News,” Scarborough said on “Morning Joe.” He added, “In America, even in the age of Trump, no man is above the law.”
While Fox News continued to cover the search of Trump’s residence, “Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy reminded contributor Joe Concha on Tuesday that Trump had appointed Wray, the FBI director against whom Concha railed as being “partisan.”
“I don’t know if Trump was such a big fan of though when he was in office,” Concha said.
Doocy concluded, “Not today.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/08/09/trump-maralago-search-fox-hannity-ingraham/?
He’s very collaborative.
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show us your tax returns they said.
Trump allies resist testifying as Georgia election probe expands
An appearance by Rudy Giuliani is put on hold amid a dispute with the office of Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis
By Tom Hamburger, Ann E. Marimow and Matthew Brown
August 8, 2022 at 6:56 p.m. EDT
With Rudy Giuliani just days away from his scheduled Tuesday appearance before an Atlanta grand jury, his lawyer asked for a last-minute delay — providing a doctor’s note saying the 78-year-old was not cleared to fly because of a recent “invasive procedure.”
The email response from the office of Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis was unyielding.
“We do not consent to change the date,” wrote a deputy to Willis, adding: “We will provide alternate transportation including bus or train if your client maintains he is unable to fly.”
The dispute, which burst into view Monday amid contentious legal filings and exchanges over Giuliani’s travel schedule and airline ticket purchases, prompted a judge to delay Giuliani’s Tuesday testimony and schedule a hearing with lawyers for each side.
It marked the latest sign of tension between prosecutors and potential witnesses in Willis’s burgeoning criminal probe of alleged election interference by former president Donald Trump and his allies. Giuliani, Trump’s former lawyer, had already signaled through his legal team that he would cite “attorney-client privilege” and probably refuse to talk about his interactions with Trump.
On Wednesday, a federal judge in Atlanta is slated to consider the claim of Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) that he should not be compelled to testify to the same grand jury about his calls to Georgia’s secretary of state after the 2020 election.
Graham, a close Trump ally, has argued that he made the calls in the ordinary course of his work as a senator, and that such duties are protected by the Constitution. Prosecutors have argued in court filings that Graham’s “unusual activity mirrored the Trump campaign’s own efforts to potentially disrupt the Georgia election certification process.”
The legal maneuvering this week comes as Willis’s inquiry has expanded and emerged as a legal threat to the former president and some of his most important allies.
“What seems clear is the Fulton County district attorney’s office is getting closer and closer to the former president’s innermost circle,” said Anthony Kreis, a law professor at Georgia State University. “That alone suggests to me that the investigation is making important headway.”
Willis launched the probe in the weeks after the Trump campaign and its allies placed calls to Georgia officials seeking to overturn the election results. The case covers some of the matters reviewed by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection and by the Justice Department inquiry examining efforts to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. But Willis, 50, has been at the forefront in publicly pursuing a criminal case, in part because she is able to take advantage of state statutes that legal experts say could make a criminal prosecution faster and less cumbersome than a federal case.
She has subpoenaed more than three dozen individuals — including a group of Georgia Republicans she has identified as targets of the criminal probe for their role as purported Trump electors.
Willis has not ruled out calling Trump as a witness, telling an Atlanta television station last week that “we are at least 60 days away before I even have to make that kind of decision.”
Willis declined through her office to respond to requests from The Washington Post for an interview.
Willis’s critics, including Trump, his allies and some involved in the case, have accused her of conducting a politicized inquiry designed to attract national attention while ignoring local problems, such as Atlanta’s soaring crime rates. The former president derided her on his Truth Social platform as a “young, ambitious, Radical Left Democrat ‘Prosecutor’ from Georgia.”
The judge presiding over the inquiry disqualified Willis last month from investigating one of the would-be Trump electors — Republican state Sen. Burt Jones — after Willis hosted a fundraiser for Jones’s opponent in an upcoming lieutenant governor’s race. The judge, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, called it a “’What are you thinking?’ moment” and said the “optics are horrific.”
By all indications, the inquiry has been sprawling but intensely focused on whether Trump and his allies violated Georgia laws.
One Georgia Republican who appeared before the grand jury told The Post that prosecutors were seeking to learn about interactions between lawyers for Trump and state-level Republicans on the ground. The witness spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic.
Unlike a typical grand jury, the special panel is authorized for one year and will not be asked to vote on an indictment at the conclusion of its work. Instead, the special grand jury of 23 members and three alternates will issue a report to Willis with recommendations on whether to bring charges in the case. The report is not required to be made public, nor is Willis obligated to act on it in any specific time frame.
But prosecutors are attempting to fend off requests to toss their subpoenas or delay testimony.
The postponement request last week by Giuliani’s attorney, Robert Costello, referenced a July procedure in which Giuliani had two stents placed in his coronary arteries.
Prosecutors on Monday indicated they would insist that Giuliani appear in person — filing a legal brief claiming that Giuliani had traveled outside New York since his surgery and saying they had obtained records showing him paying cash for airline tickets for late July to Rome and Zurich.
Costello called the prosecutors’ claims “ludicrous,” adding: “First of all, Giuliani has not flown anywhere since his operation. He has not purchased these tickets and never purchased airline tickets for cash for any reason.”
Costello said he offered prosecutors the opportunity to discuss the situation directly with Giuliani’s physician, but he said they did not do so.
Separately, a Wednesday hearing before U.S. District Judge Leigh Martin May will focus on Graham’s contention that he should not be required to testify about his outreach to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in the days after the 2020 election. Raffensperger told The Post that Graham had asked whether the secretary of state had the power to toss out all mail ballots in certain counties. He said Graham appeared to be asking him to improperly find a way to set aside legally cast ballots — an allegation that Graham denied.
Graham’s legal team, led by former Trump White House counsel Donald McGahn, says the senator is shielded by constitutional protections that prohibit interference with the work of members of Congress.
“There would be nothing to stop any state or local official from investigating — or ‘intimidating’ under the veneer of investigating — senators or representatives with which they disagree,” Graham’s lawyers said in their court filing.
The phone calls Graham made to Raffensperger’s office, his lawyers say, were part of his official legislative duties to help inform his vote to certify the election for President Biden and to draft election-related legislation.
Willis’s office says Graham questioned Raffensperger and his staff about reexamining certain absentee ballots cast in Georgia “to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for former president Donald Trump,” court records show.
It is not clear whether Graham will succeed.
May recently rejected similar arguments from Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.), a Trump ally who echoed false claims of widespread election fraud in his failed bid for secretary of state. Hice is scheduled to appear before the grand jury on Aug. 16.
It is also unclear whether Willis’s team will succeed in learning information from the state Republicans who presented themselves as Trump electors.
Willis is examining whether these local Trump supporters were part of a scheme designed by Trump’s team to create slates of fake electors in Georgia and other battleground states, perhaps to give Vice President Mike Pence a reason to declare that the outcome of the election was in doubt when he was to preside over the congressional counting of the electoral college votes on Jan. 6, 2021.
Lawyers for 11 of the 16 would-be Georgia Trump electors have argued that their clients abided by the law, claiming that they met as a contingency measure before a court had ruled on a challenge to the Georgia vote.
They also complained in court filings about Willis sending letters identifying the purported Trump electors as “targets” of her criminal inquiry. The attorneys described the target letters as a “publicity stunt” that “wrongfully converted from witnesses who were cooperating voluntarily and prepared to testify in the grand jury to persecuted targets of it.”
As a result, the lawyers said, they had advised their clients to assert their right not to answer questions.
In contrast, a lawyer representing two of the purported Trump electors in federal probes, Robert N. Driscoll, said his clients cooperated with the House Jan. 6 committee and are responding to Justice Department subpoenas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/08/trumo-willis-georgia-2020-giuliani/?
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NBCNews reporters Ben Collins and Ryan Reilly were monitoring some of the pro-Donald Trump forums during the FBI search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home. They discovered users agitating for “civil war”, urging supporters to make their way to Mar-a-Lago.
They also found that one of the users was Tyler Welch Slaeker, who is awaiting sentencing for his involvement in the 6 January attack on the US Capitol.
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Last night, I posted a screenshot of top replies on TheDonald about the Mar a Lago raid, almost all of them violent.
One user, bananaguard62, referenced a “civil war.”
Well, it turns out bananaguard62 is Tyler Welch Slaeker, awaiting sentencing for storming the Capitol on 1/6.
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21.31NBCNews reporters Ben Collins and Ryan Reilly were monitoring some of the pro-Donald Trump forums during the FBI search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home. They discovered users agitating for “civil war”, urging supporters to make their way to Mar-a-Lago.
They also found that one of the users was Tyler Welch Slaeker, who is awaiting sentencing for his involvement in the 6 January attack on the US Capitol.
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Last night, I posted a screenshot of top replies on TheDonald about the Mar a Lago raid, almost all of them violent.One user, bananaguard62, referenced a “civil war.”
Well, it turns out bananaguard62 is Tyler Welch Slaeker, awaiting sentencing for storming the Capitol on 1/6.
So he has not mended his ways.
Witty Rejoinder said:
After Mar-a-Lago search, Fox News, Trump supporters decry ‘abuse’ of powerBy Timothy Bella
August 9, 2022 at 11:18 a.m. EDTNot long after former president Donald Trump said that the FBI had searched his residence and safe at his Mar-a-Lago Club as part of an investigation, Fox News host Sean Hannity echoed the dozens of Trump supporters protesting outside the South Florida resort and claimed that what happened Monday amounted to “a dark day for our republic, the Department of Justice, the rule of law.”
“Make no mistake,” Hannity said, “if you are associated with Donald Trump in any way, you better cross all your i’s and dot all your t’s, because they’re coming for you with the full force of the federal government.”
Hannity was among the conservative and right-leaning media figures coming to the defense of Trump in the hours after his club was searched in a court-authorized proceeding that is part of a long-running investigation of whether documents were taken to the former president’s private golf club and residence instead of sent to the National Archives after he left office.
Even though the investigation is looking into whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties, Trump allies went on right-leaning cable news networks to denounce the search for hours on Monday night as “the worst attack on this republic in modern history.”
As images of Trump supporters waving flags and holding signs saying, “In Trump I Trust,” played on Fox News, host Laura Ingraham demanded that Republicans purge the federal government if they retake power in Congress.
“When we get power back, it’s time to hold everyone accountable — the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in Congress who have abused their power,” she said. “All of them have to be held accountable.”
Former Trump adviser and right-wing podcaster Stephen K. Bannon said on Fox News that the FBI, an agency led by a director who was nominated by Trump, was “the Gestapo.”
“We’re at war,” said Bannon, who has been convicted of contempt of Congress for his refusal to provide documents or testimony to a House committee probing the Jan. 6, 2021, attack.
The search is the latest historic development in Trump’s tenuous and tortured relationship with the Justice Department, both during and after his time in the White House. Although searching a former president’s property to look for possible evidence of a crime is highly unusual, such a search is possible as long as it receives approval at the top levels of the Justice Department.
The investigation apparently began months ago. The National Archives and Records Administration said in January that it had retrieved 15 boxes of documents and other items from Mar-a-Lago, and Archives officials noted at the time that the boxes should have been turned over when Trump left the White House.
Trump, who compared the search to Watergate in a lengthy statement, accused the FBI of “even” breaking into his safe but did not give additional details about what federal agents were looking for on Monday. He also claimed, without evidence, that Democrats were weaponizing the “justice system” against him through a search he said was not “necessary or appropriate.”
GOP allies have echoed Trump’s claims that the search amounted to a political attack meant to hurt him if he runs for president again. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said in a statement that the Justice Department has “reached an intolerable state of weaponized politicization,” while Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) pushed on Twitter to “DEFUND THE FBI!”
Some of the strongest reactions from conservative and right-leaning media started trickling in on Fox News on “Jesse Watters Primetime,” where the host called for FBI Director Christopher A. Wray’s firing, and guest Dan Bongino compared what happened to Trump to something that would unfold in a “third-world” country. On “Hannity,” Fox News host Mark Levin called in to the show and argued that the search of the former president’s estate was not only egregious but historic for all the wrong reasons.
“This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history. Period,” Levin said. “And it’s not just an attack on Donald Trump. It’s an attack on everybody who supports him.”
In the same hour of television, Eric Trump came to his father’s defense by claiming to Hannity that his father has long enjoyed keeping files and other items over the years.
“My father always kept press clippings, newspaper articles, pictures, notes from us,” he said. “He had boxes. He moved out of the White House. He’s very collaborative. If you want to search for anything, come right ahead. It was an open-door policy, and all of a sudden 30 agents descend upon Mar-a-Lago?”
A common theme throughout the night’s coverage among right-leaning news outlets was that the search was meant to impede Donald Trump’s potential run for the White House in 2024. On Newsmax, former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik even went so far as to suggest, without evidence, that he was worried about the “assassination” of Trump as a result of his potentially running for president again.
“This is the first time in my lifetime that I would say I am deathly afraid for Donald Trump,” Kerik told Newsmax host Eric Bolling.
Just days after a Texas jury decided that Alex Jones must pay more than $49 million in compensatory and punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim for his false claims about the mass killing, he welcomed Trump confidant Roger Stone on his Infowars show to lament what he called “a very sad day for America.”
Jones and Stone, who have been subpoenaed by the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, agreed that what happened to Trump was “the kind of thing you expect to see in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany or communist Cuba.”
As pundits went on air to defend Trump, dozens of the former president’s supporters camped outside of Mar-a-Lago to show their love for Trump, even though he wasn’t at the Palm Beach residence. Videos and images posted to social media show cars and trucks waving American flags and Trump flags, including one vehicle that had a Trump-Pence banner with the former vice president’s name crossed out.
The sympathetic coverage of Trump following the search of Mar-a-Lago on conservative, right-leaning and far-right outlets was called out by MSNBC host Joe Scarborough on Tuesday morning.
“They’re saying ugly things on Fox News,” Scarborough said on “Morning Joe.” He added, “In America, even in the age of Trump, no man is above the law.”
While Fox News continued to cover the search of Trump’s residence, “Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy reminded contributor Joe Concha on Tuesday that Trump had appointed Wray, the FBI director against whom Concha railed as being “partisan.”
“I don’t know if Trump was such a big fan of though when he was in office,” Concha said.
Doocy concluded, “Not today.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/08/09/trump-maralago-search-fox-hannity-ingraham/?
I like this…I wonder what she think was happening? Holding to account, I would say…
>>As images of Trump supporters waving flags and holding signs saying, “In Trump I Trust,” played on Fox News, host Laura Ingraham demanded that Republicans purge the federal government if they retake power in Congress.
“When we get power back, it’s time to hold everyone accountable — the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in Congress who have abused their power,” she said. “All of them have to be held accountable.”<<
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Witty Rejoinder said:
After Mar-a-Lago search, Fox News, Trump supporters decry ‘abuse’ of powerBy Timothy Bella
August 9, 2022 at 11:18 a.m. EDTNot long after former president Donald Trump said that the FBI had searched his residence and safe at his Mar-a-Lago Club as part of an investigation, Fox News host Sean Hannity echoed the dozens of Trump supporters protesting outside the South Florida resort and claimed that what happened Monday amounted to “a dark day for our republic, the Department of Justice, the rule of law.”
“Make no mistake,” Hannity said, “if you are associated with Donald Trump in any way, you better cross all your i’s and dot all your t’s, because they’re coming for you with the full force of the federal government.”
Hannity was among the conservative and right-leaning media figures coming to the defense of Trump in the hours after his club was searched in a court-authorized proceeding that is part of a long-running investigation of whether documents were taken to the former president’s private golf club and residence instead of sent to the National Archives after he left office.
Even though the investigation is looking into whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of memos, letters, notes and other written communications related to a president’s official duties, Trump allies went on right-leaning cable news networks to denounce the search for hours on Monday night as “the worst attack on this republic in modern history.”
As images of Trump supporters waving flags and holding signs saying, “In Trump I Trust,” played on Fox News, host Laura Ingraham demanded that Republicans purge the federal government if they retake power in Congress.
“When we get power back, it’s time to hold everyone accountable — the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in Congress who have abused their power,” she said. “All of them have to be held accountable.”
Former Trump adviser and right-wing podcaster Stephen K. Bannon said on Fox News that the FBI, an agency led by a director who was nominated by Trump, was “the Gestapo.”
“We’re at war,” said Bannon, who has been convicted of contempt of Congress for his refusal to provide documents or testimony to a House committee probing the Jan. 6, 2021, attack.
The search is the latest historic development in Trump’s tenuous and tortured relationship with the Justice Department, both during and after his time in the White House. Although searching a former president’s property to look for possible evidence of a crime is highly unusual, such a search is possible as long as it receives approval at the top levels of the Justice Department.
The investigation apparently began months ago. The National Archives and Records Administration said in January that it had retrieved 15 boxes of documents and other items from Mar-a-Lago, and Archives officials noted at the time that the boxes should have been turned over when Trump left the White House.
Trump, who compared the search to Watergate in a lengthy statement, accused the FBI of “even” breaking into his safe but did not give additional details about what federal agents were looking for on Monday. He also claimed, without evidence, that Democrats were weaponizing the “justice system” against him through a search he said was not “necessary or appropriate.”
GOP allies have echoed Trump’s claims that the search amounted to a political attack meant to hurt him if he runs for president again. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said in a statement that the Justice Department has “reached an intolerable state of weaponized politicization,” while Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) pushed on Twitter to “DEFUND THE FBI!”
Some of the strongest reactions from conservative and right-leaning media started trickling in on Fox News on “Jesse Watters Primetime,” where the host called for FBI Director Christopher A. Wray’s firing, and guest Dan Bongino compared what happened to Trump to something that would unfold in a “third-world” country. On “Hannity,” Fox News host Mark Levin called in to the show and argued that the search of the former president’s estate was not only egregious but historic for all the wrong reasons.
“This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history. Period,” Levin said. “And it’s not just an attack on Donald Trump. It’s an attack on everybody who supports him.”
In the same hour of television, Eric Trump came to his father’s defense by claiming to Hannity that his father has long enjoyed keeping files and other items over the years.
“My father always kept press clippings, newspaper articles, pictures, notes from us,” he said. “He had boxes. He moved out of the White House. He’s very collaborative. If you want to search for anything, come right ahead. It was an open-door policy, and all of a sudden 30 agents descend upon Mar-a-Lago?”
A common theme throughout the night’s coverage among right-leaning news outlets was that the search was meant to impede Donald Trump’s potential run for the White House in 2024. On Newsmax, former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik even went so far as to suggest, without evidence, that he was worried about the “assassination” of Trump as a result of his potentially running for president again.
“This is the first time in my lifetime that I would say I am deathly afraid for Donald Trump,” Kerik told Newsmax host Eric Bolling.
Just days after a Texas jury decided that Alex Jones must pay more than $49 million in compensatory and punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim for his false claims about the mass killing, he welcomed Trump confidant Roger Stone on his Infowars show to lament what he called “a very sad day for America.”
Jones and Stone, who have been subpoenaed by the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, agreed that what happened to Trump was “the kind of thing you expect to see in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany or communist Cuba.”
As pundits went on air to defend Trump, dozens of the former president’s supporters camped outside of Mar-a-Lago to show their love for Trump, even though he wasn’t at the Palm Beach residence. Videos and images posted to social media show cars and trucks waving American flags and Trump flags, including one vehicle that had a Trump-Pence banner with the former vice president’s name crossed out.
The sympathetic coverage of Trump following the search of Mar-a-Lago on conservative, right-leaning and far-right outlets was called out by MSNBC host Joe Scarborough on Tuesday morning.
“They’re saying ugly things on Fox News,” Scarborough said on “Morning Joe.” He added, “In America, even in the age of Trump, no man is above the law.”
While Fox News continued to cover the search of Trump’s residence, “Fox & Friends” co-host Steve Doocy reminded contributor Joe Concha on Tuesday that Trump had appointed Wray, the FBI director against whom Concha railed as being “partisan.”
“I don’t know if Trump was such a big fan of though when he was in office,” Concha said.
Doocy concluded, “Not today.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/08/09/trump-maralago-search-fox-hannity-ingraham/?
I like this…I wonder what she think was happening? Holding to account, I would say…
>>As images of Trump supporters waving flags and holding signs saying, “In Trump I Trust,” played on Fox News, host Laura Ingraham demanded that Republicans purge the federal government if they retake power in Congress.
“When we get power back, it’s time to hold everyone accountable — the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in Congress who have abused their power,” she said. “All of them have to be held accountable.”<<
‘Night of the Long Knives’? What happened after ‘the July 20 Plot’?
Long article, very revealing, very scary:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals
‘Expert Mathematician’ on Election Fraud Actually a Swing Set Installer, Lawsuit Claims
A man posing as a math expert with evidence Trump won the election is actually a convicted drug dealer with no college degree who installs swing sets, according to a lawsuit.’
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nbk4/expert-mathematician-on-election-fraud-actually-a-swing-set-installer-lawsuit-claims
captain_spalding said:
‘Expert Mathematician’ on Election Fraud Actually a Swing Set Installer, Lawsuit Claims
A man posing as a math expert with evidence Trump won the election is actually a convicted drug dealer with no college degree who installs swing sets, according to a lawsuit.’
so an expert civil engineer
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captain_spalding said:
‘Expert Mathematician’ on Election Fraud Actually a Swing Set Installer, Lawsuit Claims
A man posing as a math expert with evidence Trump won the election is actually a convicted drug dealer with no college degree who installs swing sets, according to a lawsuit.’
so an expert civil engineer
Another funny thing is that Trump may have sharpened the headsman’s axe for his own execution.
In 2018, he increased the penalty for ‘unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material’ (US Code 1924) to five years imprisonment, making it a felony offence. Presumably he meant for this to be applied to people like Hilary Clinton and Hunter Biden.
‘Classified material’ is defined as ‘information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security’.
I wonder what the FBI found?
captain_spalding said:
Another funny thing is that Trump may have sharpened the headsman’s axe for his own execution.In 2018, he increased the penalty for ‘unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material’ (US Code 1924) to five years imprisonment, making it a felony offence. Presumably he meant for this to be applied to people like Hilary Clinton and Hunter Biden.
‘Classified material’ is defined as ‘information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security’.
I wonder what the FBI found?
Well let’s hope he is hoist by his own petard.
captain_spalding said:
Long article, very revealing, very scary:https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals
A good read, thanks, c_s.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Another funny thing is that Trump may have sharpened the headsman’s axe for his own execution.In 2018, he increased the penalty for ‘unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material’ (US Code 1924) to five years imprisonment, making it a felony offence. Presumably he meant for this to be applied to people like Hilary Clinton and Hunter Biden.
‘Classified material’ is defined as ‘information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security’.
I wonder what the FBI found?
Well let’s hope he is hoist by his own petard.
They could also get him for violating US Code 2071 – ‘Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally’:
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States . As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Another funny thing is that Trump may have sharpened the headsman’s axe for his own execution.In 2018, he increased the penalty for ‘unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material’ (US Code 1924) to five years imprisonment, making it a felony offence. Presumably he meant for this to be applied to people like Hilary Clinton and Hunter Biden.
‘Classified material’ is defined as ‘information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security’.
I wonder what the FBI found?
Well let’s hope he is hoist by his own petard.
They could also get him for violating US Code 2071 – ‘Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally’:
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States . As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
Dzhugashvili Joseph Trump, Man Of Irony, Fighting Off Truth, Justice, And The American Way ¡
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
‘Expert Mathematician’ on Election Fraud Actually a Swing Set Installer, Lawsuit Claims
A man posing as a math expert with evidence Trump won the election is actually a convicted drug dealer with no college degree who installs swing sets, according to a lawsuit.’
so an expert civil engineer
“They rang me asking whether the 2020 swings were credible”
Additionally, Trump may have violated the Presidential Records Act which establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
dv said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:so an expert civil engineer
“They rang me asking whether the 2020 swings were credible”
honestly we used to prefer the turntables, not so much the landslides but swings are still our favourite
The Daily Show
@TheDailyShow
Fox News talking about Hillary but make the footage the Trump raid
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1557141679802548227
captain_spalding said:
Ha!
(CNN)Republican Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania said Tuesday that the FBI had seized his cell phone.
“This morning, while traveling with my family, 3 FBI agents visited me and seized my cell phone,” he said in part in a statement.
The search is connected to an investigation being conducted in part by the Justice Department inspector general, according to a personal familiar with the matter. The watchdog is investigating the actions of former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, and potentially others, as it examines the department’s role in seeking to assist former President Donald Trump to block certification of the 2020 election results.
Spokespeople for the Justice Department and its inspector general both declined to comment.
Perry is closely linked to Clark, who has come under scrutiny by federal investigators for his role in efforts to overturn the 2020 election and had his home searched by law enforcement officials earlier this summer.
The Perry search warrant indicated that the inspector general’s lab in Northern Virginia could conduct a forensic examination of the seized phone. The inclusion of the inspector general is unusual given the office investigates wrongdoing by Justice Department employees. Perry, a five-term congressman, has never worked for the department.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/scott-perry-fbi-seize-cellphone/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/09/opinions/afghanistan-exit-a-year-later-bergen/index.html
Opinion: Biden’s Afghanistan exit decision looks even worse a year later
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/09/opinions/afghanistan-exit-a-year-later-bergen/index.htmlOpinion: Biden’s Afghanistan exit decision looks even worse a year later
Money and lives not well spent isn’t it, got a taste of freedom and then its snatched away
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/09/opinions/afghanistan-exit-a-year-later-bergen/index.htmlOpinion: Biden’s Afghanistan exit decision looks even worse a year later
Money and lives not well spent isn’t it, got a taste of freedom and then its snatched away
The Taliban had advantages.
Unlimited time. No elections to win or lose. They could wait two years, or twenty, or longer. Didn’t matter to them. They weren’t going anywhere.
No shortage of money. Plenty of that coming in from the Middle East, with the West’s good friend Saudi Arabia being a very major sponsor. Other sources, too, a bit of opium cropping here and there. They weren’t going to run out of funds.
No shortage of recruits. Wave a Koran under their noses, tell ‘em it’s a ‘jihad’, promise them a ticket to Paradise, tell ‘em they can have their own AK-47 and free bullets. When the alternative is watching over your uncle’s goats in a land of dirt and rocks, you’ll have to fight them off with a stick.
Unless the West was prepared to be there for the next century or two, the Taliban was always going to come back.
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captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/09/opinions/afghanistan-exit-a-year-later-bergen/index.htmlOpinion: Biden’s Afghanistan exit decision looks even worse a year later
Money and lives not well spent isn’t it, got a taste of freedom and then its snatched away
The Taliban had advantages.
Unlimited time. No elections to win or lose. They could wait two years, or twenty, or longer. Didn’t matter to them. They weren’t going anywhere.
No shortage of money. Plenty of that coming in from the Middle East, with the West’s good friend Saudi Arabia being a very major sponsor. Other sources, too, a bit of opium cropping here and there. They weren’t going to run out of funds.
No shortage of recruits. Wave a Koran under their noses, tell ‘em it’s a ‘jihad’, promise them a ticket to Paradise, tell ‘em they can have their own AK-47 and free bullets. When the alternative is watching over your uncle’s goats in a land of dirt and rocks, you’ll have to fight them off with a stick.
Unless the West was prepared to be there for the next century or two, the Taliban was always going to come back.
Not great for the general population is it
Researchers have begun tracking a newly identified virus in China, with dozens of cases recorded so far.
The novel Langya henipavirus (LayV) was first detected in the north-eastern provinces of Shandong and Henan in late 2018 but was only formally identified by scientists last week.
The virus was likely transmitted from animals to humans, scientists said, and Taiwan’s health authority is now monitoring the spread. The researchers tested wild animals and found LayV viral RNA in more than a quarter of 262 shrews, “a finding that suggests that the shrew may be a natural reservoir”. The virus was also detected in 2% of domestic goats and 5% of dogs.
Initial investigations into the virus were outlined in correspondence published by scientists from China, Singapore and Australia in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) last week.
In people, the virus caused symptoms including fever, fatigue, cough, loss of appetite and muscle aches. All of the people infected had a fever, the scientists said. The virus was the only potential pathogen found in 26 of the 35 people, suggesting that “LayV was the cause of febrile illness”.
There have been no deaths from LayV to date. Prof Wang Linfa of the Duke-NUS Medical School, a co-author of the NEJM paper, told the state-run Global Times that the LayV cases had “not been fatal or very serious” so far and that there was “no need for panic”.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/aug/10/newly-identified-langya-virus-tracked-after-china-reports-dozens-of-cases
Do we think Trump even understands what being under oath means?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-10/new-york-attorney-general-to-question-donald-trump-under-oath/101321144
buffy said:
Do we think Trump even understands what being under oath means?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-10/new-york-attorney-general-to-question-donald-trump-under-oath/101321144
I rather hope he doesn’t, because it’ll be so much more easy and entertaining for him to get nailed for perjury.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Do we think Trump even understands what being under oath means?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-10/new-york-attorney-general-to-question-donald-trump-under-oath/101321144
I rather hope he doesn’t, because it’ll be so much more easy and entertaining for him to get nailed for perjury.
That crossed my mind. I see someone very carefully hinted in that article that the questioner may use such a strategy.
buffy said:
Do we think Trump even understands what being under oath means?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-10/new-york-attorney-general-to-question-donald-trump-under-oath/101321144
I think he is a compulsive liar. He doesn’t distinguish fact from fiction. He has has for so long not only got away with lying without consequence, but throughout his career has been actively rewarded for it. So much so it is now instinctive, He couldn’t even talk about the weather without embellishment or lies.
The New York Times
15 mins ·
Breaking News: Donald Trump declined to answer the New York attorney general’s questions, invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, he said in a statement.
sarahs mum said:
The New York Times
15 mins ·
Breaking News: Donald Trump declined to answer the New York attorney general’s questions, invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, he said in a statement.
Less Breaking News than Totally Predictable News…
Neophyte said:
sarahs mum said:
The New York Times
15 mins ·
Breaking News: Donald Trump declined to answer the New York attorney general’s questions, invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, he said in a statement.
Less Breaking News than Totally Predictable News…
apparently Donald once said that only guilty people and mobsters plead the 5th.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/10/facebook-user-data-abortion-nebraska-police
Facebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges
When a Facebook staffer posed the dilemma to the chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, asking how the platform would protect the user data of individuals seeking abortion care, Zuckerberg said the company’s ongoing push to encrypt messaging would help protect people from “bad behavior or over-broad requests for information”.
But when local Nebraska police came knocking in June – before Roe v Wade was officially overturned – Facebook handed the user data of a mother and daughter facing criminal charges for allegedly carrying out an illegal abortion.
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This is all very cool and normal, like you’d expect to happen in a modern country.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/10/facebook-user-data-abortion-nebraska-policeFacebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges
When a Facebook staffer posed the dilemma to the chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, asking how the platform would protect the user data of individuals seeking abortion care, Zuckerberg said the company’s ongoing push to encrypt messaging would help protect people from “bad behavior or over-broad requests for information”.
But when local Nebraska police came knocking in June – before Roe v Wade was officially overturned – Facebook handed the user data of a mother and daughter facing criminal charges for allegedly carrying out an illegal abortion.
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This is all very cool and normal, like you’d expect to happen in a modern country.
Hunt down the witches. Old American tradition.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/10/facebook-user-data-abortion-nebraska-policeFacebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges
When a Facebook staffer posed the dilemma to the chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, asking how the platform would protect the user data of individuals seeking abortion care, Zuckerberg said the company’s ongoing push to encrypt messaging would help protect people from “bad behavior or over-broad requests for information”.
But when local Nebraska police came knocking in June – before Roe v Wade was officially overturned – Facebook handed the user data of a mother and daughter facing criminal charges for allegedly carrying out an illegal abortion.
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This is all very cool and normal, like you’d expect to happen in a modern country.
There is nothing extraordinary about a tech company handing over information to law enforcement, is you issue with this specifically?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/10/facebook-user-data-abortion-nebraska-policeFacebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges
When a Facebook staffer posed the dilemma to the chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, asking how the platform would protect the user data of individuals seeking abortion care, Zuckerberg said the company’s ongoing push to encrypt messaging would help protect people from “bad behavior or over-broad requests for information”.
But when local Nebraska police came knocking in June – before Roe v Wade was officially overturned – Facebook handed the user data of a mother and daughter facing criminal charges for allegedly carrying out an illegal abortion.
—-
This is all very cool and normal, like you’d expect to happen in a modern country.
There is nothing extraordinary about a tech company handing over information to law enforcement, is you issue with this specifically?
I think you should take a step back and consider the big picture.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/10/facebook-user-data-abortion-nebraska-policeFacebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges
When a Facebook staffer posed the dilemma to the chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, asking how the platform would protect the user data of individuals seeking abortion care, Zuckerberg said the company’s ongoing push to encrypt messaging would help protect people from “bad behavior or over-broad requests for information”.
But when local Nebraska police came knocking in June – before Roe v Wade was officially overturned – Facebook handed the user data of a mother and daughter facing criminal charges for allegedly carrying out an illegal abortion.
—-
This is all very cool and normal, like you’d expect to happen in a modern country.
There is nothing extraordinary about a tech company handing over information to law enforcement, is you issue with this specifically?
I think you should take a step back and consider the big picture.
I mean, it’s the law of the land.. sure it’s stupid.. but they have a democratic process of government to legislate laws. For me the real issue in the US is the fact that the electoral process has an inherent bias in the senate and is gerrymandered to fuck in the house. But I see the State process becoming more of a priority for both the GOP and the Dems.
diddly-squat said:
I mean, it’s the law of the land.. sure it’s stupid.. but they have a democratic process of government to legislate laws. For me the real issue in the US is the fact that the electoral process has an inherent bias in the senate and is gerrymandered to fuck in the house. But I see the State process becoming more of a priority for both the GOP and the Dems.
Thomas Aquinas said that unjust laws do not bind in conscience, meaning that a person is under no moral obligation to obey them. A person is under an obligation to disobey an unjust law, but only if obeying would involve him in moral wrongdoing. I think that Facebook has committed a moral wrongdoing, and they could have easily found any number of ‘technical difficulties’ which would have allowed them to not co-operate and to preserve the privacy and safety of the women involved.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I mean, it’s the law of the land.. sure it’s stupid.. but they have a democratic process of government to legislate laws. For me the real issue in the US is the fact that the electoral process has an inherent bias in the senate and is gerrymandered to fuck in the house. But I see the State process becoming more of a priority for both the GOP and the Dems.
Thomas Aquinas said that unjust laws do not bind in conscience, meaning that a person is under no moral obligation to obey them. A person is under an obligation to disobey an unjust law, but only if obeying would involve him in moral wrongdoing. I think that Facebook has committed a moral wrongdoing, and they could have easily found any number of ‘technical difficulties’ which would have allowed them to not co-operate and to preserve the privacy and safety of the women involved.
Facebook only pretends to care like most social media platforms the bottom line is revenue making
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I mean, it’s the law of the land.. sure it’s stupid.. but they have a democratic process of government to legislate laws. For me the real issue in the US is the fact that the electoral process has an inherent bias in the senate and is gerrymandered to fuck in the house. But I see the State process becoming more of a priority for both the GOP and the Dems.
Thomas Aquinas said that unjust laws do not bind in conscience, meaning that a person is under no moral obligation to obey them. A person is under an obligation to disobey an unjust law, but only if obeying would involve him in moral wrongdoing. I think that Facebook has committed a moral wrongdoing, and they could have easily found any number of ‘technical difficulties’ which would have allowed them to not co-operate and to preserve the privacy and safety of the women involved.
Facebook only pretends to care like most social media platforms the bottom line is revenue making
how can they provide service if their revenue doesn’t cover cost
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/10/facebook-user-data-abortion-nebraska-policeFacebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges
When a Facebook staffer posed the dilemma to the chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, asking how the platform would protect the user data of individuals seeking abortion care, Zuckerberg said the company’s ongoing push to encrypt messaging would help protect people from “bad behavior or over-broad requests for information”.
But when local Nebraska police came knocking in June – before Roe v Wade was officially overturned – Facebook handed the user data of a mother and daughter facing criminal charges for allegedly carrying out an illegal abortion.
—-
This is all very cool and normal, like you’d expect to happen in a modern country.
There is nothing extraordinary about a tech company handing over information to law enforcement, is you issue with this specifically?
I think you should take a step back and consider the big picture.
Life Is Sacred¿
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:There is nothing extraordinary about a tech company handing over information to law enforcement, is you issue with this specifically?
I think you should take a step back and consider the big picture.
Life Is Sacred¿
In the US these days, life is scared.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:There is nothing extraordinary about a tech company handing over information to law enforcement, is you issue with this specifically?
I think you should take a step back and consider the big picture.
Life Is Sacred¿
Every sperm is.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:Thomas Aquinas said that unjust laws do not bind in conscience, meaning that a person is under no moral obligation to obey them. A person is under an obligation to disobey an unjust law, but only if obeying would involve him in moral wrongdoing. I think that Facebook has committed a moral wrongdoing, and they could have easily found any number of ‘technical difficulties’ which would have allowed them to not co-operate and to preserve the privacy and safety of the women involved.
Facebook only pretends to care like most social media platforms the bottom line is revenue making
how can they provide service if their revenue doesn’t cover cost
I mean as in they really don’t care about people and only half arse police the nasty things as it may make them look bad and they could lose money from advertisers.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Facebook only pretends to care like most social media platforms the bottom line is revenue making
how can they provide service if their revenue doesn’t cover cost
I mean as in they really don’t care about people and only half arse police the nasty things as it may make them look bad and they could lose money from advertisers.
fair
one may also consider how many tech-billionaires are actually people with compassion and integrity
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I mean, it’s the law of the land.. sure it’s stupid.. but they have a democratic process of government to legislate laws. For me the real issue in the US is the fact that the electoral process has an inherent bias in the senate and is gerrymandered to fuck in the house. But I see the State process becoming more of a priority for both the GOP and the Dems.
Thomas Aquinas said that unjust laws do not bind in conscience, meaning that a person is under no moral obligation to obey them. A person is under an obligation to disobey an unjust law, but only if obeying would involve him in moral wrongdoing. I think that Facebook has committed a moral wrongdoing, and they could have easily found any number of ‘technical difficulties’ which would have allowed them to not co-operate and to preserve the privacy and safety of the women involved.
Point 1) People freely opt into use of social media platforms and in doing so they they agree to the terms of service. If you don’t like it, opt out.
Point 2) I don’t necessarily agree that people have a moral obligation not to follow an unjust law, but equally I do support an individual’s right to protest a law they feel is unjust.
Point 3) Ultimately it is “we the people” that have the power in democracies and as such if people don’t like what a govt is doing they will ultimately vote to change the government (notwithstanding the structural issues in US electoral politics).
Let me be clear, I think the anti-abortion laws in the US are morally repugnant and I have similar feelings about many of the laws we have here that are designed to detain refugees that arrive by boat.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I mean, it’s the law of the land.. sure it’s stupid.. but they have a democratic process of government to legislate laws. For me the real issue in the US is the fact that the electoral process has an inherent bias in the senate and is gerrymandered to fuck in the house. But I see the State process becoming more of a priority for both the GOP and the Dems.
Thomas Aquinas said that unjust laws do not bind in conscience, meaning that a person is under no moral obligation to obey them. A person is under an obligation to disobey an unjust law, but only if obeying would involve him in moral wrongdoing. I think that Facebook has committed a moral wrongdoing, and they could have easily found any number of ‘technical difficulties’ which would have allowed them to not co-operate and to preserve the privacy and safety of the women involved.
Point 1) People freely opt into use of social media platforms and in doing so they they agree to the terms of service. If you don’t like it, opt out.
Point 2) I don’t necessarily agree that people have a moral obligation not to follow an unjust law, but equally I do support an individual’s right to protest a law they feel is unjust.
Point 3) Ultimately it is “we the people” that have the power in democracies and as such if people don’t like what a govt is doing they will ultimately vote to change the government (notwithstanding the structural issues in US electoral politics).Let me be clear, I think the anti-abortion laws in the US are morally repugnant and I have similar feelings about many of the laws we have here that are designed to detain refugees that arrive by boat.
Our governments stance on refugees is a slightly less repugnant version of the white Australia policy
Heather Cox Richardson
1 hr ·
August 10, 2022 (Wednesday)
*snip
….The fallout continues from the FBI search of former president Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in Florida. Trump and his supporters have begun to circle around the idea that the FBI agents “planted” evidence while they were there, which suggests they’re afraid of what’s going to turn up. While right-wing figures are saying Trump’s lawyers were not present during the search, two of them—Christina Bobb and Lindsey Halligan—confirmed to Politico that they were there. Remember, while the Department of Justice can’t say what was in the warrant or what they took, Trump could but is choosing not to.
Meanwhile, there are reports that a close associate flipped on Trump to tell the Department of Justice what was at Mar-a-Lago that they might want to see. It is crucial to remember that anything we hear is coming from Trump supporters; the Department of Justice is not talking. So rumors are just that—rumors—although this one has been reported in multiple places, so I am making a note of it.
What is not just a rumor is that Trump testified under oath today in the civil case being investigated by New York attorney general Letitia James regarding the widely different valuations of Trump’s properties for purposes of taxes versus security for loans. Trump answered a single question only about his name, then pleaded his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent to avoid incriminating himself. He said he “declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.” Then, from about 9:30 to around 3:00, aside from breaks, he responded to questions with “Same answer.”
Like his father, Eric Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment during his October 2020 deposition in the same case, pleading the Fifth more than 500 times.
In civil cases, jurors can make negative inferences from an invocation of the Fifth Amendment. If James brings charges, today’s deposition will strengthen her case.
More than that, though, Trump made history today by becoming the first U.S. president to plead the Fifth. It is an astonishing thing to see that a former president, the person who was responsible for faithfully executing the laws of our nation, has invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
Trump is having a witch-hunt of his own:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-snitches-rats-1395609/
FBI delivers subpoenas to several Pa. Republican lawmakers: sources say
Updated: Aug. 11, 2022, 3:09 a.m.|Published: Aug. 10, 2022, 5:43
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/08/fbi-delivers-subpoenas-to-several-pa-republican-lawmakers-sources-say.html
Federal investigators delivered subpoenas or paid visits to several House and Senate Republican offices in the Pennsylvania Capitol on Tuesday and Wednesday, according to multiple sources
At least some of the individuals receiving subpoenas were told they were not targets of an investigation, according to at least six sources reached by PennLive, but that they may have information of interest to the FBI. All of the sources had been briefed on the investigative moves in some way, but demanded anonymity in order to discuss them.
sarahs mum said:
Heather Cox Richardson
1 hr ·
August 10, 2022 (Wednesday)*snip
….The fallout continues from the FBI search of former president Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property in Florida. Trump and his supporters have begun to circle around the idea that the FBI agents “planted” evidence while they were there, which suggests they’re afraid of what’s going to turn up. While right-wing figures are saying Trump’s lawyers were not present during the search, two of them—Christina Bobb and Lindsey Halligan—confirmed to Politico that they were there. Remember, while the Department of Justice can’t say what was in the warrant or what they took, Trump could but is choosing not to.
Meanwhile, there are reports that a close associate flipped on Trump to tell the Department of Justice what was at Mar-a-Lago that they might want to see. It is crucial to remember that anything we hear is coming from Trump supporters; the Department of Justice is not talking. So rumors are just that—rumors—although this one has been reported in multiple places, so I am making a note of it.
What is not just a rumor is that Trump testified under oath today in the civil case being investigated by New York attorney general Letitia James regarding the widely different valuations of Trump’s properties for purposes of taxes versus security for loans. Trump answered a single question only about his name, then pleaded his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent to avoid incriminating himself. He said he “declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution.” Then, from about 9:30 to around 3:00, aside from breaks, he responded to questions with “Same answer.”Like his father, Eric Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment during his October 2020 deposition in the same case, pleading the Fifth more than 500 times.
In civil cases, jurors can make negative inferences from an invocation of the Fifth Amendment. If James brings charges, today’s deposition will strengthen her case.
More than that, though, Trump made history today by becoming the first U.S. president to plead the Fifth. It is an astonishing thing to see that a former president, the person who was responsible for faithfully executing the laws of our nation, has invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
He also said… “The government could have had whatever they wanted, if we had it,” he said.
Merrick Garland says DOJ filed motion to unseal Trump Mar-a-Lago warrant and property receipt
(CNN)In his first public statement since federal agents searched former President Donald Trump’s home at Mar-a-Lago earlier this week, Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday said that the Justice Department had filed in court a request that the search warrant and property receipt from the search be unsealed.
Garland also said he “personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter.”
He noted that the department did not comment on the search on the day that it occurred. He pointed out that the search was confirmed by Trump that evening. He said that copies of the warrant and the warrant receipt were provided to the Trump lawyers who were on site during the search.
“The Department filed the motion to make public the warrant and receipt in light of the former president’s public confirmation of the search, the surrounding circumstances and the substantial public interest in this matter,” Garland said. “Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor. Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/garland-announcement-justice-department/index.html
(CNN)For the last 72 hours, since the FBI conducted a search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, the former President has spouted any number of claims about what happened and why. He’s said that Democrats led the search (they didn’t) and raised the possibility that FBI agents might have planted evidence, without providing any proof of the allegation.
On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland struck back — albeit in the limited way available to him as the head of the Justice Department still actively investigating the possibility that Trump took classified documents out of the White House and had them stored at his mansion in Florida.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/garland-trump-mar-a-lago-search-bluff/index.html
Domestic terrorist Dwayne Vandergrift has received a 5 year sentence with a 3 year non-parole period.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/camden-county-man-sentenced-five-years-prison-deploying-homemade-explosive-local-fitness
A man identified by two law enforcement sources as Ricky Shiffer, who died in a confrontation with police after he fired a nail gun at a Cincinnati FBI building, appeared to post online in recent days about his desire to kill FBI agents shortly after former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence was searched.
Two law enforcement officials confirmed Shiffer’s name. Shiffer was at the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, according to three people aiding law enforcement who saw him in photos taken from the day of the attack; however, it’s unclear whether he went inside the building. Shiffer frequently posted about his attendance at the Capitol on social media.
On Truth Social, a social media platform founded by Trump’s media company, Trump Media & Technology Group, Shiffer appeared to have posted a message detailing his failed attempt to gain entry to the FBI building.
“Well, I thought I had a way through bullet proof glass, and I didn’t. If you don’t hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I., and it’ll mean either I was taken off the internet, the F.B.I. got me, or they sent the regular cops while,” the account @RickyWShifferJr wrote at 9:29 a.m. ET, shortly after police allege the shooting occurred.
Shiffer posted to Truth Social multiple times in the days after the FBI searched Trump’s residence in Palm Beach, Florida, about wanting to engage in violence. One post called for people to arm themselves and be ready for “combat.”
“We must not tolerate this one,” he wrote.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/man-fired-nail-gun-fbi-building-called-violence-days-mar-lago-search-rcna42749
dv said:
Domestic terrorist Dwayne Vandergrift has received a 5 year sentence with a 3 year non-parole period.https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/camden-county-man-sentenced-five-years-prison-deploying-homemade-explosive-local-fitness
He’s lucky he didn’t do something really dangerous, like possess marijuana.
You can get 10 -15 years in the slammer for that in the US.
Trump refuses to release info about the warrant served on him:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Domestic terrorist Dwayne Vandergrift has received a 5 year sentence with a 3 year non-parole period.https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/camden-county-man-sentenced-five-years-prison-deploying-homemade-explosive-local-fitness
He’s lucky he didn’t do something really dangerous, like possess marijuana.
You can get 10 -15 years in the slammer for that in the US.
But if you get caught in Russia they’ll try to get you a prisoner exchange.
Donald Trump applies his methodology to mine clearance: 
captain_spalding said:
Donald Trump applies his methodology to mine clearance:
where that vid seems to come from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXt8L1Vu8A
Exploding Sledgehammer
toward the end
the things people do for entertainment
captain_spalding said:
Jaysus.
captain_spalding said:
Heh
dv said:
A man identified by two law enforcement sources as Ricky Shiffer, who died in a confrontation with police after he fired a nail gun at a Cincinnati FBI building, appeared to post online in recent days about his desire to kill FBI agents shortly after former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence was searched.Two law enforcement officials confirmed Shiffer’s name. Shiffer was at the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, according to three people aiding law enforcement who saw him in photos taken from the day of the attack; however, it’s unclear whether he went inside the building. Shiffer frequently posted about his attendance at the Capitol on social media.
On Truth Social, a social media platform founded by Trump’s media company, Trump Media & Technology Group, Shiffer appeared to have posted a message detailing his failed attempt to gain entry to the FBI building.
“Well, I thought I had a way through bullet proof glass, and I didn’t. If you don’t hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I., and it’ll mean either I was taken off the internet, the F.B.I. got me, or they sent the regular cops while,” the account @RickyWShifferJr wrote at 9:29 a.m. ET, shortly after police allege the shooting occurred.
Shiffer posted to Truth Social multiple times in the days after the FBI searched Trump’s residence in Palm Beach, Florida, about wanting to engage in violence. One post called for people to arm themselves and be ready for “combat.”
“We must not tolerate this one,” he wrote.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/man-fired-nail-gun-fbi-building-called-violence-days-mar-lago-search-rcna42749
I feel bad for people who have to go to funerals of their loved ones who died in embarrassing ways, like that guy who died in a planking accident, or maybe erotic asphyxia. Grief is bad enough without being mixed with humiliation. So I’m thinking of the family of this person who died for Trump.
Heather Cox Richardson
24 mins ·
August 11, 2022 (Thursday)
Since Monday’s search of former president Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property by the FBI, Trump, Trump supporters, and right-wing media have all been accusing the government of executing a political vendetta and speculating that FBI agents might have planted evidence on the property.
This afternoon, Attorney General Merrick Garland gave a brief press conference in which he announced that the unjustified attacks on the Department of Justice (DOJ) have led it to file a motion to unseal the search warrant the FBI used and a redacted version of the receipt for the things removed from the premises. He also confirmed that copies of the warrant and the property receipt were left with Trump, as regulations require. Had Trump wanted to release them, he could have…and he still can, at any time.
Contrary to right-wing reports, Trump’s lawyer was at Mar-a-Lago during the search, which a federal court authorized after finding probable cause. Garland said that he personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant, and he also pointed out that the Department of Justice did not publicize the search; the former president did. Because of the public interest in the matter—and to clear up confusion over it—the department is asking a judge to unseal the documents.
Garland also defended FBI agents against attacks on them, saying, “The men and women of the FBI and the Justice Department are dedicated, patriotic public servants. Every day they protect the American people from violent crime, terrorism, and other threats to their safety while safeguarding our civil rights. They do so at great personal sacrifice and risk to themselves.”
Garland explained the principle at stake. “Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly, without fear or favor. Under my watch that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing. All Americans are entitled to the evenhanded application of the law, to due process of the law, and to the presumption of innocence.”
He also reminded people that “the Department of Justice will speak through its court filings and its work.”
The DOJ motion to unseal the search warrant tells us a bit more. It was signed by U.S. Attorney Juan Gonzalez and by Jay Bratt, the chief of the department’s counterintelligence section. The motion also throws the ball into Trump’s court, saying “the former President should have an opportunity to respond to this Motion and lodge objections….” This boxes Trump in. He and his supporters have been demanding the documents be released, although the DOJ cannot release them and Trump can. This motion means that the DOJ has made a strong case to get permission to release them…unless Trump objects. Essentially, the DOJ just called his bluff.
At the New York Times, Katie Benner reported that already “Trump allies are discussing the possibility of challenging the Justice Department’s motion to unseal the Mar-a-Lago search warrant. They have contacted outside lawyers about helping them.”
This should play out quickly: a judge this afternoon told the DOJ to discuss with Trump’s lawyer whether Trump objects to unsealing the documents and to let the judge know by 3:00 tomorrow afternoon. Tonight, Trump said he would not oppose the document’s release, but he didn’t release them himself, so we’ll see what tomorrow brings.
Another right-wing talking point about the search fell apart today as well. Fox News Channel personalities have argued that the Justice Department should simply have issued a subpoena for the material. “Get a subpoena, he will give it back,” Jesse Watters said. “It’s not like Trump won’t cooperate.” But in fact it turns out the DOJ did deliver a subpoena two months ago, and the former president did not comply.
For all the loud protests of Trump supporters over the search, other Republicans—even ones who were previously Team Trump—seem to be backing away. Today, Fox News Channel contributor and former White House press secretary for President George W. Bush Ari Fleischer tweeted: “One thing I can’t wrap my arms around: If Trump had classified documents, why didn’t he give them back? Maybe he thought they were declassified. Maybe he thought it was government overreach. But if, for whatever reason, you have a classified document at home, you give it back.”
For his part, Trump tried to suggest his own retention of documents was not nearly as bad as that of former president Barack Obama, who, Trump alleged, took “33 Million pages of documents…to Chicago.” He is referring to the materials for the Obama presidential library, which have been moved from the National Archives and Records Administration with its permission and cooperation.
Tonight, Devlin Barrett, Josh Dawsey, Perry Stein, and Shane Harris at the Washington Post broke the story that the FBI agents at Mar-a-Lago were looking for documents relating to nuclear weapons, underscoring that the search was imperative. We don’t know any more than that, and heaven knows that’s bad enough.
But what springs to mind for me is the plan pushed by Trump’s first national security advisor, Michael Flynn, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, and fundraiser and campaign advisor Tom Barrack, to transfer nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. In 2019, whistleblowers from the National Security Council worried that their efforts might have broken the law and that the effort to make the transfer was ongoing. The plan was to enable Saudi leaders to build nuclear power plants, a plan that would have yielded billions of dollars to the investors but would have allowed Saudi Arabia to build nuclear weapons.
Meanwhile, Zachary Cohen, Jamie Gangel, Sara Murray, and Pamela Brown of CNN report that the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol has interviewed the former secretary of transportation in the Trump administration, Elaine Chao, and is in discussions with former education secretary Betsy DeVos and former national security advisor Robert O’Brien. Former secretary of state Mike Pompeo met with the committee on Tuesday. At least nine Cabinet-level officials either have talked to the committee or are negotiating the terms of interviews. One of the topics has been the attempt to remove Trump through the 25th Amendment after the events of January 6.
The lies about the FBI and the January 6th attack on the Capitol came together today and took a life. Ricky Walter Shiffer, who appears to have been at the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, shot into the FBI field office in Cincinnati with a nail gun this morning while brandishing an AR-15-style weapon. After the attack, he took refuge in a cornfield, where law enforcement officers killed him this afternoon.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/ex-cop-sentenced-to-prison-for-role-in-storming-us-capitol/101328734
Still gathering them up.
captain_spalding said:
Trump refuses to release info about the warrant served on him:
dearie me.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/ex-cop-sentenced-to-prison-for-role-in-storming-us-capitol/101328734Still gathering them up.
Getting them in dribs and drabs.
transition said:
captain_spalding said:
Donald Trump applies his methodology to mine clearance:
where that vid seems to come from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rXt8L1Vu8A
Exploding Sledgehammertoward the end
the things people do for entertainment
blow their legs off
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/ex-cop-sentenced-to-prison-for-role-in-storming-us-capitol/101328734Still gathering them up.
Getting them in dribs and drabs.
And soon, the main drip
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/ex-cop-sentenced-to-prison-for-role-in-storming-us-capitol/101328734Still gathering them up.
Getting them in dribs and drabs.
And soon, the main drip
We are living ensconced in that hope.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/ex-cop-sentenced-to-prison-for-role-in-storming-us-capitol/101328734Still gathering them up.
Getting them in dribs and drabs.
And soon, the main drip
Rubs hands together.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Getting them in dribs and drabs.
And soon, the main drip
Rubs hands together.
Won’t we all be most pleased at that result.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Getting them in dribs and drabs.
And soon, the main drip
We are living ensconced in that hope.
What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:And soon, the main drip
We are living ensconced in that hope.
What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
Not the way they are acting.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:We are living ensconced in that hope.
What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
Not the way they are acting.
they don’t care. they are the greatest. and it’s god’s will.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:And soon, the main drip
We are living ensconced in that hope.
What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
Well we’ll see
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:We are living ensconced in that hope.
What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
Not the way they are acting.
you mean the way the voters are acting¿ True we better fix our claim
What’s actually fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will continue to remain in power through future elections¡
captain_spalding said:
LOL
:)
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
Not the way they are acting.
they don’t care. they are the greatest. and it’s god’s will.
Indeed. This is the way.
captain_spalding said:
;)
Well Biden has had a bit of a bounce, up 2.4% in the past three weeks, but still terrible
dv said:
Well Biden has had a bit of a bounce, up 2.4% in the past three weeks, but still terrible
Probably needs to put a few more rockets into a few more nutjobs.
Democrats continue to pull ahead of Republicans in the “generic congressional ballot” polls 3 months out from the midterms. 
dv said:
Democrats continue to pull ahead of Republicans in the “generic congressional ballot” polls 3 months out from the midterms.
And some people had the hide to suggest that the Roe vs Wade decision was a bad thing.
dv said:
Democrats continue to pull ahead of Republicans in the “generic congressional ballot” polls 3 months out from the midterms.
Writes a biological virus that targets Republicans Memories.
There is no point turning up for Trump.
Send all Trump memories to Null.
Delete all Trump messages, videos, images and voice clips.
Replace with Not Found, 404.
Don’t think of this person any-more.
Go and study logic and ethics online.
Forget religion, guns, babies and the far right.
Go and become human rights scholars.
Go and work for the UN.
Don’t watch TV any more.
Don’t listen to the Radio any-more.
They are No aliens.
There is No God.
There was a big bang 13 Billions years ago
It created this Universe
You are in it.
Be friendly to everyone.
Stay way from gangs.
Don’t shoot people.
No Mass shootings.
Be Happy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-13/donald-trump-fbi-mar-a-lago-raid-search-warrant/101330446
The FBI were damned certain when they went in.
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forth
fucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
SCIENCE said:
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forthfucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forthfucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
ugh so what’s he going to claim next, that ¿he didn’t know what they contained and just thought it’d be useful to have some top secrets to threaten to release any time he needed to blackmail the new administration?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forthfucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
Presidents apparently have the authority to “declassify” documents, and I believe the process may be an informal one. (ie. POTUS makes a classified document public, it’s automatically declassified) However, that does not extend to documents regarding nuclear stuff.
This “raid” may simply be an attempt to recover documents that need to be put back into the archives, but the question that has to be asked is “What does an ex-president want with such documents in the first place?”
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forthfucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
Presidents apparently have the authority to “declassify” documents, and I believe the process may be an informal one. (ie. POTUS makes a classified document public, it’s automatically declassified) However, that does not extend to documents regarding nuclear stuff.
This “raid” may simply be an attempt to recover documents that need to be put back into the archives, but the question that has to be asked is “What does an ex-president want with such documents in the first place?”
Anyway, I’m sure after all this Mr Trump will see the witch hunt against Ms Clinton in a different light, and we’ll be getting an apology any day now.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forthfucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
Presidents apparently have the authority to “declassify” documents, and I believe the process may be an informal one. (ie. POTUS makes a classified document public, it’s automatically declassified) However, that does not extend to documents regarding nuclear stuff.
This “raid” may simply be an attempt to recover documents that need to be put back into the archives, but the question that has to be asked is “What does an ex-president want with such documents in the first place?”
Little Donny has been telling fibs again.
‘Obama did not keep classified documents, the National Archives confirms.’ – New York Times.
https://imgur.com/gallery/n3SR2yv
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.
How will that go for me?
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
Dunno. Many years ago, i was acquainted with a copper who arrested John Singleton (although it’s so long ago, i can’t remember what for).
An exchange of greetings apparently went something like this:
‘Do you know who i am? I’m John Singleton!’
‘Hello, Mr. Singleton, i’m Constable Andy XXXXXX, and you’re under arrest.’
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
Dunno. Many years ago, i was acquainted with a copper who arrested John Singleton (although it’s so long ago, i can’t remember what for).
An exchange of greetings apparently went something like this:
‘Do you know who i am? I’m John Singleton!’
‘Hello, Mr. Singleton, i’m Constable Andy XXXXXX, and you’re under arrest.’
:)
As it should be.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
That defence might have got him off a dangerous driving charge but not an exceeding the speed limit one.
I’m not saying this story isn’t true, but Bing knows nothing of it.
Spiny Norman said:
:)
As it should be.
I recall now that Mr S was arrested in an illegal casino.
Andy was in the Gaming Squad, which was not popular with large parts of the rest of the NSW Police then, particularly in Sydney, as the squad seemed to take their job rather seriously at the time.
Andy was rather a sturdy chap, and was in charge of ‘The Key’. Whenever they ran up against one of those stout doors that casinos had, the call would be passed to ‘bring The Key’, and Andy would step up with an eight-pound sledgehammer. Admittance was soon granted, by one means or another.
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
ROFL
Note that Trump’s attorneys have been just the fucking clueless worst.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said::)
As it should be.
I recall now that Mr S was arrested in an illegal casino.
Andy was in the Gaming Squad, which was not popular with large parts of the rest of the NSW Police then, particularly in Sydney, as the squad seemed to take their job rather seriously at the time.
Andy was rather a sturdy chap, and was in charge of ‘The Key’. Whenever they ran up against one of those stout doors that casinos had, the call would be passed to ‘bring The Key’, and Andy would step up with an eight-pound sledgehammer. Admittance was soon granted, by one means or another.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said::)
As it should be.
I recall now that Mr S was arrested in an illegal casino.
Andy was in the Gaming Squad, which was not popular with large parts of the rest of the NSW Police then, particularly in Sydney, as the squad seemed to take their job rather seriously at the time.
Andy was rather a sturdy chap, and was in charge of ‘The Key’. Whenever they ran up against one of those stout doors that casinos had, the call would be passed to ‘bring The Key’, and Andy would step up with an eight-pound sledgehammer. Admittance was soon granted, by one means or another.
There was much hilarity in an illegal Sydney casino when Neville Wran said on TV that there no illegal casinos in NSW.
Mz Tamb, who was in one at the time said the patrons turned to each other and asked WTF are we then?
Robert Askin and Neville Wran both maintained that this was the case, as did an awful lot of the NSW Police.
This was despite the fact that the location of every casino in town could be gleaned from casual conversation with a few taxi drivers.
For a while, my sister worked in a shoe shop in the inner western suburbs, and it was widely known (including by her personal observation) that the floor above was occupied by a very well-appointed casino. She used to keep us up to date on the famous and infamous personalities seen making use of the back stairs which led to the establishment, not a few of whom were political luminaries of the day.
The Gaming Squad’s biggest problem was, it seems, not in locating the places, but in dealing with the political protection that they had. Only when that could be negated could action be taken.
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
That defence might have got him off a dangerous driving charge but not an exceeding the speed limit one.
He got off completely I believe.
I may well be wrong though, it was some time ago.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
That defence might have got him off a dangerous driving charge but not an exceeding the speed limit one.I’m not saying this story isn’t true, but Bing knows nothing of it.
Here you go then.
https://realnewsaustralia.com/2013/09/12/its-not-what-you-know-its-who-you-know/
The search warrant identifies three possible federal crimes as the reasoning behind the search: violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records. Read the full warrant here.
—-
Jaysus
The President in office has near ultimate powers of classification and declassification. You may remember that when Trump gave national security information on the USA Israel to the Russians in May 2017, and the general view was whole this was bad, it wasn’t illegal, as the President can basically declassify most materials by willing it so.
The Atomic Energy Act excises materials related to atomic energy or weapons from these powers: even when in office, he did not have the authority to unilaterally declassify that material.
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also
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/12/trump-obama-national-archives/
National Archives blast Trump’s baseless claim about Obama records
Spiny Norman said:
Tamb said:
Spiny Norman said:Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
That defence might have got him off a dangerous driving charge but not an exceeding the speed limit one.He got off completely I believe.
I may well be wrong though, it was some time ago.
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:That defence might have got him off a dangerous driving charge but not an exceeding the speed limit one.
I’m not saying this story isn’t true, but Bing knows nothing of it.
Here you go then.
https://realnewsaustralia.com/2013/09/12/its-not-what-you-know-its-who-you-know/
Thanks for that.
Lift your game, Bing.
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.
This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
Definitely got him this time.
Peak Warming Man said:
Definitely got him this time.
Seriously what’s your point?
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
One thing that utterly amazes me is just how stupid it was to have all those documents located right where he lives. It would have been incredibly easy to just put them somewhere else very quietly, and the FBI raid would have come up with nothing.
But yeah it’s Trump, he does stupid stuff incredibly well and often.
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
The important thing is you didn’t get caught.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Definitely got him this time.
Seriously what’s your point?
i guess it is ridiculing the law enforcement cos donnie isn’t in prison yet and all these investigations etc haven’t reached a conclusion. Usual PWM shit.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
One thing that utterly amazes me is just how stupid it was to have all those documents located right where he lives. It would have been incredibly easy to just put them somewhere else very quietly, and the FBI raid would have come up with nothing.
But yeah it’s Trump, he does stupid stuff incredibly well and often.
It’s certainly a wierd world in which commentators are saying that the news that someone is under investigation for espionage is likely to shore up his popularity among Republican voters but here we are.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
One thing that utterly amazes me is just how stupid it was to have all those documents located right where he lives. It would have been incredibly easy to just put them somewhere else very quietly, and the FBI raid would have come up with nothing.
But yeah it’s Trump, he does stupid stuff incredibly well and often.
Heh. :)
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
The important thing is you didn’t get caught.
What are you implying? I’ll have you know that i have scruples! I never took anything above that was above ‘classified’ level.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-13/olivia-judith-archie-loss-legacy-giants-australia-music/101330504
Olivia Newton-John, Judith Durham, Archie Roach: The loss and legacy of giants in Australian music
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
The important thing is you didn’t get caught.
What are you implying? I’ll have you know that i have scruples! I never took anything above that was above ‘classified’ level.
Has this aged well?
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:The important thing is you didn’t get caught.
What are you implying? I’ll have you know that i have scruples! I never took anything above that was above ‘classified’ level.
Scruple: a unit of weight equal to 20 grains, used by apothecaries.
Yeah, well, admittedly they don’t carry much weight…
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:What are you implying? I’ll have you know that i have scruples! I never took anything above that was above ‘classified’ level.
Scruple: a unit of weight equal to 20 grains, used by apothecaries.Yeah, well, admittedly they don’t carry much weight…
But you’re not unscrupulous.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
Heh. :)
If I ever get a big speeding ticket I plan to use the John Singleton defence. That’s back some years ago when the popular advertising chap got caught doing 175 km/h in a 100 zone. His lawyer got him of based on the opinion that the car (a Bentley) was built to do those speeds safely and there was no-one near him on the road.How will that go for me?
Dunno. Many years ago, i was acquainted with a copper who arrested John Singleton (although it’s so long ago, i can’t remember what for).
An exchange of greetings apparently went something like this:
‘Do you know who i am? I’m John Singleton!’
‘Hello, Mr. Singleton, i’m Constable Andy XXXXXX, and you’re under arrest.’
There is a person of our acquaintance who did time at Pentridge in Melbourne (yes, that long ago) for rather serious crime. Some years ago he upset a rather upper crust person by driving too slowly along a street. When he pulled in to park, the upper cruster pulled in beside him and said “Do you know who I am?” Acquaintance said “do you know who I am?”
As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him.
A bill which former President Donald Trump signed into law in 2018 could be used to punish him if he’s found to have mishandled classified information after leaving office.
Bradley P. Moss, a national-security attorney, told Insider that Trump could face five years in prison if he’s found guilty under a national security bill which he signed as president.
The bill, which made changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) was signed into law by Trump in January 2018.
It upgraded the seriousness of wrongly moving classified material, turning it from a misdemeanor into a felony — and increasing the maximum punishment from one year to five.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/as-president-trump-approved-a-law-increasing-penalties-for-mishandling-classified-info-it-could-come-back-to-bite-him/ar-AA10wwrl?li=BBorjTa
buffy said:
There is a person of our acquaintance who did time at Pentridge in Melbourne (yes, that long ago) for rather serious crime. Some years ago he upset a rather upper crust person by driving too slowly along a street. When he pulled in to park, the upper cruster pulled in beside him and said “Do you know who I am?” Acquaintance said “do you know who I am?”
Billy Connolly told of a confrontation between a shipyard worker and a manager. The manager became so agitated that he prodded the worker in the chest with his finger, and said ‘DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?’.
The worker turned his head and called to his mates ‘Hey, this bloke’s so pissed, he does nae know who he is!’.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
Presidents apparently have the authority to “declassify” documents, and I believe the process may be an informal one. (ie. POTUS makes a classified document public, it’s automatically declassified) However, that does not extend to documents regarding nuclear stuff.
This “raid” may simply be an attempt to recover documents that need to be put back into the archives, but the question that has to be asked is “What does an ex-president want with such documents in the first place?”
Anyway, I’m sure after all this Mr Trump will see the witch hunt against Ms Clinton in a different light, and we’ll be getting an apology any day now.
snort
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:Presidents apparently have the authority to “declassify” documents, and I believe the process may be an informal one. (ie. POTUS makes a classified document public, it’s automatically declassified) However, that does not extend to documents regarding nuclear stuff.
This “raid” may simply be an attempt to recover documents that need to be put back into the archives, but the question that has to be asked is “What does an ex-president want with such documents in the first place?”
Anyway, I’m sure after all this Mr Trump will see the witch hunt against Ms Clinton in a different light, and we’ll be getting an apology any day now.
snort
^
captain_spalding said:
Little Donny has been telling fibs again.‘Obama did not keep classified documents, the National Archives confirms.’ – New York Times.
https://imgur.com/gallery/n3SR2yv
It is, after all, what he is best at.
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
There are a couple of grey issues here – The accusations are how he handled the documents after he was no longer POTUS. Considering the president has the final say on what constitutes “top secret”, does him taking them home as POTUS automatically reduce their classification? (The nuclear stuff is different, of course.)
Note that interviews with staff revealed the nature and location of the documents, and it was recommended that the room they were stored in have an extra lock installed.
DO, you didn’t say how this was.
dv said:
LOL, yeah.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Little Donny has been telling fibs again.‘Obama did not keep classified documents, the National Archives confirms.’ – New York Times.
https://imgur.com/gallery/n3SR2yv
It is, after all, what he is best at.
It’s fkn crazy that “look over there” still works with all the idiots out there.
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
I think that that lawyer is dog-whistling Trump’s idiot supporters.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s lawyer has, apparently, advised him that if he just says that he won’t run for President in 2024, all of this current trouble will just go (magic glissando) go away.https://twitter.com/i/status/1558227491537436672
This is one to write down.
Next time i get a speeding ticket, i’ll just tell them that i won’t be nominating to be US President in 2024, and they’ll say ‘ok, good, you can tear that notice up, forget all about it’.
I think that that lawyer is dog-whistling Trump’s idiot supporters.
but he can’t lose, see, if he doesn’t run then it goes away and if he runs then he gets elected and he makes it go away win win win
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Definitely got him this time.
Seriously what’s your point?
Maybe if I put it into some sort of obscure meme……………..
SCIENCE said:
but he can’t lose…
Oh, yes he can.
The 2020 election proved that.
He’s a loooooooooserrrr.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Definitely got him this time.
Seriously what’s your point?
Maybe if I put it into some sort of obscure meme……………..
It’s crazy, but it’s just crazy enough to work!
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
I was just reading someone’s opinion on Trump and his documents, and it raised an interesting comparison.This person is not a lawyer, but a former USN submariner, so has presumably had some education in the penalties that awaited people who misused ‘nuclear information’.
He drew a comparison with having child pornography on your computer or on your premises. If it’s there, then that’s the crime, so you do the time.
And really, that’s the case. If, in my time, i had had the opportunity to remove a ‘top secret’ document from where it was supposed to be, then that is the crime. Doesn’t matter how securely i kept it once i’d nicked it, or what i did or did not plan to do with it, it’s the fact that i had it at all, that it was in my house, or in storage that i was responsible for.
There are a couple of grey issues here – The accusations are how he handled the documents after he was no longer POTUS. Considering the president has the final say on what constitutes “top secret”, does him taking them home as POTUS automatically reduce their classification? (The nuclear stuff is different, of course.)
Note that interviews with staff revealed the nature and location of the documents, and it was recommended that the room they were stored in have an extra lock installed.
Presumably to keep them safe until a warrant could be obtained
“I regret that I have but one life to give for that dude from Celebrity Apprentice.”
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
so they reckon the documents were like nuclear secrets and so forth
fucking next level also even we didn’t forsee this
Trump claims that all of the documents had been declassified, but it’s statedthat some were marked ‘top secret’.
‘Top secret’ docs get declassified, but not that quickly. 10, 20, 30 years, maybe.
ugh so what’s he going to claim next, that ¿he didn’t know what they contained and just thought it’d be useful to have some top secrets to threaten to release any time he needed to blackmail the new administration?
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
Never know when they might come in handy, trade them for Russian asylum perhaps, who knows¿
It’s been five years now since Trump essentially confessed on camera to obstruction of justice in interview with Lester Holt. His team had spent a week laying out a plausible aboveboard explanation for Comey’s firing, and in a few words he blew it all away.
In Australia or the UK or Japan or France that would have been the end of it. The head of government would be prosecuted in office, would be forced to step down and possibly be in prison.
Since then the number of self-evident crimes by Trump have just racked up. The reticence of authorities to prosecute politicians in the US is baffling… on the face of it, unAmerican, since part of their branding and raison d’etre is that everyone is equal before the law.
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
A) to show them off
B) to sell access to them
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
There’s the heart of the matter.
Even if they were ‘declassified’ documents that had once been top secret, what reason did he have for wanting to have possession of them?
They would not be part of his Presidential papers, and would in fact be US government property, which he had no right to remove from the White House, even if they were ‘declassified’. They should have been given to the National Archives.
Even if he was, for some unfathomable reason, allowed to have possession of them, he could not legally dispose of them in any way without the written consent of the National Archivist, who would be unlikely to approve of any use of the documents which was meant to generate a profit for Trump.
dv said:
It’s been five years now since Trump essentially confessed on camera to obstruction of justice in interview with Lester Holt. His team had spent a week laying out a plausible aboveboard explanation for Comey’s firing, and in a few words he blew it all away.In Australia or the UK or Japan or France that would have been the end of it. The head of government would be prosecuted in office, would be forced to step down and possibly be in prison.
Since then the number of self-evident crimes by Trump have just racked up. The reticence of authorities to prosecute politicians in the US is baffling… on the face of it, unAmerican, since part of their branding and raison d’etre is that everyone is equal before the law.
I don’t even remember that incident from 5 years ago.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
There’s the heart of the matter.
Even if they were ‘declassified’ documents that had once been top secret, what reason did he have for wanting to have possession of them?
They would not be part of his Presidential papers, and would in fact be US government property, which he had no right to remove from the White House, even if they were ‘declassified’. They should have been given to the National Archives.
Even if he was, for some unfathomable reason, allowed to have possession of them, he could not legally dispose of them in any way without the written consent of the National Archivist, who would be unlikely to approve of any use of the documents which was meant to generate a profit for Trump.
My first and only guess is that he was going to give them to Putin.
Spiny Norman said:
My first and only guess is that he was going to give them to Putin.
For an adequate consideration.
K hope he finds his mansion comfortable. He might be spending a few years there under home detention.
party_pants said:
K hope he finds his mansion comfortable. He might be spending a few years there under home detention.
I
party_pants said:
dv said:
It’s been five years now since Trump essentially confessed on camera to obstruction of justice in interview with Lester Holt. His team had spent a week laying out a plausible aboveboard explanation for Comey’s firing, and in a few words he blew it all away.In Australia or the UK or Japan or France that would have been the end of it. The head of government would be prosecuted in office, would be forced to step down and possibly be in prison.
Since then the number of self-evident crimes by Trump have just racked up. The reticence of authorities to prosecute politicians in the US is baffling… on the face of it, unAmerican, since part of their branding and raison d’etre is that everyone is equal before the law.
I don’t even remember that incident from 5 years ago.
exactly, normalised
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:My first and only guess is that he was going to give them to Putin.
For an adequate consideration.
fsm said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:My first and only guess is that he was going to give them to Putin.
For an adequate consideration.
Well, if Iran has nukes then Saudi Arabia must have them too…
Trump’s cronies are in secret talks to sell nuclear tech to Saudi. The risks are clear
The congressional report on this multibillion-dollar scheme provides further evidence of attempts to monetise the Trump presidency
The idea that the US might sell state-of-the-art nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, potentially enabling Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s reckless regime to build nuclear weapons, sounds so far-fetched as to be almost grotesque.
After all the near-hysterical American and Israeli warnings about the risk of Iran, the Saudis’ arch-rival, acquiring the bomb, surely even Donald Trump would balk at such breathtaking – and dangerous – hypocrisy?
Apparently not. According to a congressional inquiry, senior White House officials, retired generals and Trump’s close relatives and business cronies have been secretly pursuing a multibillion-dollar scheme to cut a nuclear deal with Riyadh.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/23/trump-cronies-secret-talks-nuclear-tech-saudi-arabia
party_pants said:
fsm said:
captain_spalding said:
For an adequate consideration.
Well, if Iran has nukes then Saudi Arabia must have them too…
and East Gaza
party_pants said:
fsm said:
captain_spalding said:
For an adequate consideration.
Well, if Iran has nukes then Saudi Arabia must have them too…
and East Gaza
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
fsm said:
Well, if Iran has nukes then Saudi Arabia must have them too…
and East Gaza
and if East Gaza get nukes then so must we,
sarahs mum said:
More likely he’d end up there on home detention,.
fsm said:
Trump’s cronies are in secret talks to sell nuclear tech to Saudi. The risks are clearThe congressional report on this multibillion-dollar scheme provides further evidence of attempts to monetise the Trump presidency
The idea that the US might sell state-of-the-art nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, potentially enabling Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s reckless regime to build nuclear weapons, sounds so far-fetched as to be almost grotesque.
After all the near-hysterical American and Israeli warnings about the risk of Iran, the Saudis’ arch-rival, acquiring the bomb, surely even Donald Trump would balk at such breathtaking – and dangerous – hypocrisy?
Apparently not. According to a congressional inquiry, senior White House officials, retired generals and Trump’s close relatives and business cronies have been secretly pursuing a multibillion-dollar scheme to cut a nuclear deal with Riyadh.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/23/trump-cronies-secret-talks-nuclear-tech-saudi-arabia
Faaark.
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
He sounds like the type of guy who never returns library books.
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
He sounds like the type of guy who never returns library books.
Only other people have to follow the rules.
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
He sounds like the type of guy who never returns library books.
It’s a bigly leap to assume that he actually reads.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
what’s the point in keeping all these documents at his home anyway?
He sounds like the type of guy who never returns library books.
Only other people have to follow the rules.
Here is a good breakdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwWcOLFPfMs
I wonder what dirt he has on Macron
any recent travel to Little Saint James perhaps, anything fun
party_pants said:
fsm said:
captain_spalding said:For an adequate consideration.
Well, if Iran has nukes then Saudi Arabia must have them too…
I read that the Saudis bankrolled Pakistan’s nuclear program in very transactional terms.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
fsm said:
Well, if Iran has nukes then Saudi Arabia must have them too…
I read that the Saudis bankrolled Pakistan’s nuclear program in very transactional terms.
Yeah, it’s not great when a country like Pakistan goes through an economic crisis and needs a bailout.
I wonder if the FBI will do an unboxing video?
Heather Cox Richardson
1 hr ·
August 12, 2022 (Friday)
Today, the House of Representatives passed the Inflation Reduction Act, a sweeping bill that will invest more than $430 billion in climate change and extended subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. It will raise about $737 billion over the next ten years by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, adequately staffing the Internal Revenue Service after years of cuts so it can catch people cheating on their taxes, and raising the tax rate on rich corporations to require them to pay a minimum of 15%.
The vote was 220 to 207, along party lines, although the measures in the bill are widely popular. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) didn’t lose a vote, even among those Democrats concerned the measure doesn’t go far enough. For their part, Republicans have been misrepresenting the bill to justify their opposition: Senator Rick Scott (R-FL) has called it a “war on seniors” because he says it cuts Medicare spending. That’s a misleading read on a provision that is expected to save $265 billion by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
This bill is a huge deal for the country and for the Biden administration, launching us into a new era in which we take serious steps to address climate change, start to rein in the costs of healthcare, and begin again to ask the very wealthy to pay their share of the costs of running our country, and yet it has been overshadowed by today’s other big story.
After days of attacks on the FBI and the Justice Department by former president Trump and his supporters for the Monday search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property, today a federal judge unsealed the search warrant and the property receipt for that search. The warrant shows that agents were investigating whether Trump violated the Espionage Act.
The property receipt reveals that agents reclaimed for the United States more than 26 boxes of documents, including ones labeled “classified/TS/SCI,” which means “top secret/sensitive compartmented information.” This is highly classified material that is available only to those necessary to the project, and must be discussed, used, and stored only in secure locations because its release to the public would cause “exceptionally grave” damage to our national security.
Trump’s lawyer Christina Bobb, who is also an anchor for the right-wing One America News Network, signed the property receipt.
Even before the release of the warrant, Trump had offered a number of excuses for taking documents to Mar-a-Lago and then keeping them despite a subpoena for their return. First, he blamed FBI agents for planting them on the premises, riling up his base against the FBI. That effort continued today: before the judge unsealed the documents, it appears Trump leaked them to Breitbart, which published them without blacking out the names of the agents who executed the search warrant, evidently intended to menace them.
Then he claimed that while he had taken only a few documents, former president Barack Obama had taken 33 million. This afternoon, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) put out a statement clarifying that it took possession of all Obama’s presidential records when he left office in 2017 and that it moved about 30 million unclassified pages of them to a “NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the P R A, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his administration.”
Now he and his allies are saying that he declassified all the documents he took out of the Oval Office, so the recovered documents were no longer classified. The fact they were not marked declassified, as required, was simply because White House counsel didn’t get the paperwork done.
But there is a process for declassification; a president can’t just say something is declassified. Further, as legal analyst and former FBI special agent Asha Rangappa clarified, a president cannot unilaterally declassify nuclear secrets.
Legal analyst Joyce White Vance said, “Even if this is true & it holds up (I’ve got significant doubts) what does it say that Trump declassified materials that put our national security in grave danger? And that the Republican Party continues to support him?”
Bogsnorkler said:
I wonder if the FBI will do an unboxing video?
:)
dv said:
I wonder what dirt he has on Macron
Don’t tell anyone but, he married his teacher…
sarahs mum said:
Heather Cox Richardson
1 hr ·
August 12, 2022 (Friday)
Today, the House of Representatives passed the Inflation Reduction Act, a sweeping bill that will invest more than $430 billion in climate change and extended subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. It will raise about $737 billion over the next ten years by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, adequately staffing the Internal Revenue Service after years of cuts so it can catch people cheating on their taxes, and raising the tax rate on rich corporations to require them to pay a minimum of 15%.The vote was 220 to 207, along party lines, although the measures in the bill are widely popular. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) didn’t lose a vote, even among those Democrats concerned the measure doesn’t go far enough. For their part, Republicans have been misrepresenting the bill to justify their opposition: Senator Rick Scott (R-FL) has called it a “war on seniors” because he says it cuts Medicare spending. That’s a misleading read on a provision that is expected to save $265 billion by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
This bill is a huge deal for the country and for the Biden administration, launching us into a new era in which we take serious steps to address climate change, start to rein in the costs of healthcare, and begin again to ask the very wealthy to pay their share of the costs of running our country, and yet it has been overshadowed by today’s other big story.
After days of attacks on the FBI and the Justice Department by former president Trump and his supporters for the Monday search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago property, today a federal judge unsealed the search warrant and the property receipt for that search. The warrant shows that agents were investigating whether Trump violated the Espionage Act.
The property receipt reveals that agents reclaimed for the United States more than 26 boxes of documents, including ones labeled “classified/TS/SCI,” which means “top secret/sensitive compartmented information.” This is highly classified material that is available only to those necessary to the project, and must be discussed, used, and stored only in secure locations because its release to the public would cause “exceptionally grave” damage to our national security.
Trump’s lawyer Christina Bobb, who is also an anchor for the right-wing One America News Network, signed the property receipt.
Even before the release of the warrant, Trump had offered a number of excuses for taking documents to Mar-a-Lago and then keeping them despite a subpoena for their return. First, he blamed FBI agents for planting them on the premises, riling up his base against the FBI. That effort continued today: before the judge unsealed the documents, it appears Trump leaked them to Breitbart, which published them without blacking out the names of the agents who executed the search warrant, evidently intended to menace them.Then he claimed that while he had taken only a few documents, former president Barack Obama had taken 33 million. This afternoon, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) put out a statement clarifying that it took possession of all Obama’s presidential records when he left office in 2017 and that it moved about 30 million unclassified pages of them to a “NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the P R A, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his administration.”
Now he and his allies are saying that he declassified all the documents he took out of the Oval Office, so the recovered documents were no longer classified. The fact they were not marked declassified, as required, was simply because White House counsel didn’t get the paperwork done.
But there is a process for declassification; a president can’t just say something is declassified. Further, as legal analyst and former FBI special agent Asha Rangappa clarified, a president cannot unilaterally declassify nuclear secrets.
Legal analyst Joyce White Vance said, “Even if this is true & it holds up (I’ve got significant doubts) what does it say that Trump declassified materials that put our national security in grave danger? And that the Republican Party continues to support him?”
Good
sarahs mum said:
…what does it say…that the Republican Party continues to support him?”
What it says is ‘anything for money. Anything at all. No limits’.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
We are living ensconced in that hope.
What’s going to be fucking next level is that even after the incontinence is arrested, the party that backed the shit heap 242-15 will still be returned to power in future elections¡
Well we’ll see
“Even if this is true & it holds up (I’ve got significant doubts) what does it say that Trump declassified materials that put our national security in grave danger? And that the Republican Party continues to support him?”
Good
¿ it says good about them ?
ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump has hired a prominent Atlanta criminal defense attorney known for defending famous rappers to represent him in matters related to the special grand jury that’s investigating whether the former president illegally tried to interfere with the 2020 election in Georgia.
Drew Findling’s clients have included Cardi B, Migos and Gucci Mane, as well as comedian Katt Williams. His Twitter bio includes the hashtag #BillionDollarLawyer and his Instagram feed is filled with photos of him posing with his well-known clients.
His most recent Instagram post, dated two days after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in late June, says his firm is committed to “fighting to restore a woman’s right to choose, which has been destroyed by the Supreme Court,” suggesting his personal views don’t align with those of Trump’s Republican Party. He offered to defend anyone charged under Georgia’s restrictive abortion law free of charge.
After Trump insulted basketball star LeBron James’s intelligence in an August 2018 tweet, Findling called Trump the “racist architect of fraudulent Trump University” in a tweet and ended the post with “POTUS pathetic once again!”
The Findling Law Firm said in a statement released Thursday that it has been hired, along with attorneys Jennifer Little and Dwight Thomas, to represent Trump.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/in-georgia-election-probe-donald-trump-hires-atlanta-attorney-famous-for-defending-rappers
dv said:
ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump has hired a prominent Atlanta criminal defense attorney known for defending famous rappers to represent him in matters related to the special grand jury that’s investigating whether the former president illegally tried to interfere with the 2020 election in Georgia.Drew Findling’s clients have included Cardi B, Migos and Gucci Mane, as well as comedian Katt Williams. His Twitter bio includes the hashtag #BillionDollarLawyer and his Instagram feed is filled with photos of him posing with his well-known clients.
His most recent Instagram post, dated two days after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in late June, says his firm is committed to “fighting to restore a woman’s right to choose, which has been destroyed by the Supreme Court,” suggesting his personal views don’t align with those of Trump’s Republican Party. He offered to defend anyone charged under Georgia’s restrictive abortion law free of charge.
After Trump insulted basketball star LeBron James’s intelligence in an August 2018 tweet, Findling called Trump the “racist architect of fraudulent Trump University” in a tweet and ended the post with “POTUS pathetic once again!”
The Findling Law Firm said in a statement released Thursday that it has been hired, along with attorneys Jennifer Little and Dwight Thomas, to represent Trump.
—-
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/in-georgia-election-probe-donald-trump-hires-atlanta-attorney-famous-for-defending-rappers
There is potential there for much good to be done.
Drew Findling’s clients have included Cardi B, Migos and Gucci Mane.
They must be the famous rappers.
Peak Warming Man said:
Drew Findling’s clients have included Cardi B, Migos and Gucci Mane.
They must be the famous rappers.
I was thinking the same when I read it.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Drew Findling’s clients have included Cardi B, Migos and Gucci Mane.
They must be the famous rappers.
I was thinking the same when I read it.
Probably before your time
I see the CIA has ordered ebay to take down a shed load of ads for nuclear information at clearance prices.
Peak Warming Man said:
I see the CIA has ordered ebay to take down a shed load of ads for nuclear information at clearance prices.
Typical deep state
dv said:
Alas poor Julio! We knew him
Another longish read, but worth it:
Michelle Goldberg
The Absurd Argument Against Making Trump Obey the Law
‘Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.’
(long URL, but it gets you around the paywall):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-fbi-raid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQFUaAibSRdkhrxqAwuTV3bkkw3H0LW2PQDdOieQJBozKs2H8WZ1eXfphlTKKWI0Gd7Y1WP15yuIYY0c8FlOi_pDBkctcemBo9dy_G2k_gpyIUelmoTbhYmfncLojjvWlsh2HERTiUKbf0HArJw9389AyJRzxhyt-luqSGfV129J-wf4rGph7ID4CbyOPtPLuYA5sbJTENlqPr1lrBJwKHG3bjtWe6LkfcQRNClygTXp342g06940K8qpZqZFRzqKq_ELf1JCuzOV&smid=nytcore-ios-share
captain_spalding said:
Another longish read, but worth it:Michelle Goldberg
The Absurd Argument Against Making Trump Obey the Law‘Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.’
(long URL, but it gets you around the paywall):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-fbi-raid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQFUaAibSRdkhrxqAwuTV3bkkw3H0LW2PQDdOieQJBozKs2H8WZ1eXfphlTKKWI0Gd7Y1WP15yuIYY0c8FlOi_pDBkctcemBo9dy_G2k_gpyIUelmoTbhYmfncLojjvWlsh2HERTiUKbf0HArJw9389AyJRzxhyt-luqSGfV129J-wf4rGph7ID4CbyOPtPLuYA5sbJTENlqPr1lrBJwKHG3bjtWe6LkfcQRNClygTXp342g06940K8qpZqZFRzqKq_ELf1JCuzOV&smid=nytcore-ios-share
Paywall that 12ft can’t get over
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Another longish read, but worth it:Michelle Goldberg
The Absurd Argument Against Making Trump Obey the Law‘Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.’
(long URL, but it gets you around the paywall):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-fbi-raid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQFUaAibSRdkhrxqAwuTV3bkkw3H0LW2PQDdOieQJBozKs2H8WZ1eXfphlTKKWI0Gd7Y1WP15yuIYY0c8FlOi_pDBkctcemBo9dy_G2k_gpyIUelmoTbhYmfncLojjvWlsh2HERTiUKbf0HArJw9389AyJRzxhyt-luqSGfV129J-wf4rGph7ID4CbyOPtPLuYA5sbJTENlqPr1lrBJwKHG3bjtWe6LkfcQRNClygTXp342g06940K8qpZqZFRzqKq_ELf1JCuzOV&smid=nytcore-ios-share
Paywall that 12ft can’t get over
By Michelle Goldberg
Opinion Columnist
This article has been updated to include new information about a man who attempted to breach an F.B.I. field office.
It took many accidents, catastrophes, misjudgments and mistakes for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016. Two particularly important errors came from James Comey, then the head of the F.B.I., who was excessively worried about what Trump’s supporters would think of the resolution of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails.
First, in July 2016, Comey broke protocol to give a news conference in which he criticized Clinton even while announcing that she’d committed no crime. He reportedly did this because he wanted to protect the reputation of the F.B.I. from inevitable right-wing claims that the investigation had been shut down for political reasons.
Then, on Oct. 28, just days before the election, Comey broke protocol again, telling Congress that the Clinton investigation had been reopened because of emails found on the laptop of the former congressman Anthony Weiner. The Justice Department generally discourages filing charges or taking “overt investigative steps” close to an election if they might influence the result. Comey disregarded this because, once again, he dreaded a right-wing freakout once news of the reopened investigation emerged.
“The prospect of oversight hearings, led by restive Republicans investigating an F.B.I. ‘cover-up,’ made everyone uneasy,” The New Yorker reported. In Comey’s memoir, he admitted fearing that concealing the new stage of the investigation — which ended up yielding nothing — would make Clinton, who he assumed would win, seem “illegitimate.” (He didn’t, of course, feel similarly compelled to make public the investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia.)
Comey’s attempts to pre-empt a conservative firestorm blew up in his face. He helped put Trump in the White House, where Trump did generational damage to the rule of law and led us to a place where prominent Republicans are calling for abolishing the F.B.I.
This should be a lesson about the futility of shaping law enforcement decisions around the sensitivities of Trump’s base. Yet after the F.B.I. executed a search warrant at Trump’s beachfront estate this week, some intelligent people have questioned the wisdom of subjecting the former president to the normal operation of the law because of the effect it will have on his most febrile admirers.
Andrew Yang, one of the founders of a new centrist third party, tweeted about the “millions of Americans who will see this as unjust persecution.” Damon Linker, usually one of the more sensible centrist thinkers, wrote, “Rather than healing the country’s civic wounds, the effort to punish Trump will only deepen them.”
The Atlantic’s Tim Alberta described feeling “nauseous” watching coverage of the raid. “What we must acknowledge — even those of us who believe Trump has committed crimes, in some cases brazenly so, and deserves full prosecution under the law — is that bringing him to justice could have some awful consequences,” he wrote.
In some sense, Alberta’s words are obviously true; Trumpists are already issuing death threats against the judge who signed off on the warrant, and a Shabbat service at his synagogue was reportedly canceled because of the security risk. On Thursday, an armed man tried to breach an F.B.I. field office in Ohio, and The New York Times reported that he appears to have attended a pro-Trump rally in Washington the night before the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. The former president relishes his ability to stir up a mob; it’s part of what makes him so dangerous.
We already know, however, that the failure to bring Trump to justice — for his company’s alleged financial chicanery and his alleged sexual assault, for obstructing Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation and turning the presidency into a squalid influence-peddling operation, for trying to steal an election and encouraging an insurrection — has been disastrous.
What has strengthened Trump has not been prosecution but impunity, an impunity that some of those who stormed the Capitol thought, erroneously, applied to them as well. Trump’s mystique is built on his defiance of rules that bind everyone else. He is reportedly motivated to run for president again in part because the office will protect him from prosecution. If we don’t want the presidency to license crime sprees, we should allow presidents to be indicted, not accept some dubious norm that ex-presidents shouldn’t be.
We do not know the scope of the investigation that led a judge to authorize the search of Mar-a-Lago, though it reportedly involves classified documents that Trump failed to turn over to the government even after being subpoenaed. More could be revealed soon: Attorney General Merrick Garland announced on Thursday that the Justice Department had filed a motion in court to unseal the search warrant.
It should go without saying that Trump and his followers, who howled “Lock her up!” about Clinton, do not believe that it is wrong for the Justice Department to pursue a probe against a presidential contender over the improper handling of classified material. What they believe is that it is wrong to pursue a case against Trump, who bonds with his acolytes through a shared sense of aggrieved victimization.
The question is how much deference the rest of us should give to this belief. No doubt, Trump’s most inflamed fans might act out in horrifying ways; many are heavily armed and speak lustily about civil war. To let this dictate the workings of justice is to accept an insurrectionists’ veto. The far right is constantly threatening violence if it doesn’t get its way. Does anyone truly believe that giving in to its blackmail will make it less aggressive?
It was Trump himself who signed a law making the removal and retention of classified documents a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Those who think that it would be too socially disruptive to apply such a statute to him should specify which laws they believe the former president is and is not obliged to obey. And those in charge of enforcing our laws should remember that the caterwauling of the Trump camp is designed to intimidate them and such intimidation helped him become president in the first place.
Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-fbi-raid.html
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Another longish read, but worth it:Michelle Goldberg
The Absurd Argument Against Making Trump Obey the Law‘Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.’
(long URL, but it gets you around the paywall):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-fbi-raid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQFUaAibSRdkhrxqAwuTV3bkkw3H0LW2PQDdOieQJBozKs2H8WZ1eXfphlTKKWI0Gd7Y1WP15yuIYY0c8FlOi_pDBkctcemBo9dy_G2k_gpyIUelmoTbhYmfncLojjvWlsh2HERTiUKbf0HArJw9389AyJRzxhyt-luqSGfV129J-wf4rGph7ID4CbyOPtPLuYA5sbJTENlqPr1lrBJwKHG3bjtWe6LkfcQRNClygTXp342g06940K8qpZqZFRzqKq_ELf1JCuzOV&smid=nytcore-ios-share
Paywall that 12ft can’t get over
It took many accidents, catastrophes, misjudgments and mistakes for Donald Trump to win the presidency in 2016. Two particularly important errors came from James Comey, then the head of the F.B.I., who was excessively worried about what Trump’s supporters would think of the resolution of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails.
First, in July 2016, Comey broke protocol to give a news conference in which he criticized Clinton even while announcing that she’d committed no crime. He reportedly did this because he wanted to protect the reputation of the F.B.I. from inevitable right-wing claims that the investigation had been shut down for political reasons.
Then, on Oct. 28, just days before the election, Comey broke protocol again, telling Congress that the Clinton investigation had been reopened because of emails found on the laptop of the former congressman Anthony Weiner. The Justice Department generally discourages filing charges or taking “overt investigative steps” close to an election if they might influence the result. Comey disregarded this because, once again, he dreaded a right-wing freakout once news of the reopened investigation emerged.
“The prospect of oversight hearings, led by restive Republicans investigating an F.B.I. ‘cover-up,’ made everyone uneasy,” The New Yorker reported. In Comey’s memoir, he admitted fearing that concealing the new stage of the investigation — which ended up yielding nothing — would make Clinton, who he assumed would win, seem “illegitimate.” (He didn’t, of course, feel similarly compelled to make public the investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia.)
Comey’s attempts to pre-empt a conservative firestorm blew up in his face. He helped put Trump in the White House, where Trump did generational damage to the rule of law and led us to a place where prominent Republicans are calling for abolishing the F.B.I.
This should be a lesson about the futility of shaping law enforcement decisions around the sensitivities of Trump’s base. Yet after the F.B.I. executed a search warrant at Trump’s beachfront estate this week, some intelligent people have questioned the wisdom of subjecting the former president to the normal operation of the law because of the effect it will have on his most febrile admirers.
Andrew Yang, one of the founders of a new centrist third party, tweeted about the “millions of Americans who will see this as unjust persecution.” Damon Linker, usually one of the more sensible centrist thinkers, wrote, “Rather than healing the country’s civic wounds, the effort to punish Trump will only deepen them.”
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The Atlantic’s Tim Alberta described feeling “nauseous” watching coverage of the raid. “What we must acknowledge — even those of us who believe Trump has committed crimes, in some cases brazenly so, and deserves full prosecution under the law — is that bringing him to justice could have some awful consequences,” he wrote.
In some sense, Alberta’s words are obviously true; Trumpists are already issuing death threats against the judge who signed off on the warrant, and a Shabbat service at his synagogue was reportedly canceled because of the security risk. On Thursday, an armed man tried to breach an F.B.I. field office in Ohio, and The New York Times reported that he appears to have attended a pro-Trump rally in Washington the night before the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. The former president relishes his ability to stir up a mob; it’s part of what makes him so dangerous.
We already know, however, that the failure to bring Trump to justice — for his company’s alleged financial chicanery and his alleged sexual assault, for obstructing Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation and turning the presidency into a squalid influence-peddling operation, for trying to steal an election and encouraging an insurrection — has been disastrous.
What has strengthened Trump has not been prosecution but impunity, an impunity that some of those who stormed the Capitol thought, erroneously, applied to them as well. Trump’s mystique is built on his defiance of rules that bind everyone else. He is reportedly motivated to run for president again in part because the office will protect him from prosecution. If we don’t want the presidency to license crime sprees, we should allow presidents to be indicted, not accept some dubious norm that ex-presidents shouldn’t be.
We do not know the scope of the investigation that led a judge to authorize the search of Mar-a-Lago, though it reportedly involves classified documents that Trump failed to turn over to the government even after being subpoenaed. More could be revealed soon: Attorney General Merrick Garland announced on Thursday that the Justice Department had filed a motion in court to unseal the search warrant.
It should go without saying that Trump and his followers, who howled “Lock her up!” about Clinton, do not believe that it is wrong for the Justice Department to pursue a probe against a presidential contender over the improper handling of classified material. What they believe is that it is wrong to pursue a case against Trump, who bonds with his acolytes through a shared sense of aggrieved victimization.
The question is how much deference the rest of us should give to this belief. No doubt, Trump’s most inflamed fans might act out in horrifying ways; many are heavily armed and speak lustily about civil war. To let this dictate the workings of justice is to accept an insurrectionists’ veto. The far right is constantly threatening violence if it doesn’t get its way. Does anyone truly believe that giving in to its blackmail will make it less aggressive?
It was Trump himself who signed a law making the removal and retention of classified documents a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Those who think that it would be too socially disruptive to apply such a statute to him should specify which laws they believe the former president is and is not obliged to obey. And those in charge of enforcing our laws should remember that the caterwauling of the Trump camp is designed to intimidate them and such intimidation helped him become president in the first place.
Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.
Cheers
I’m reminded that Comey’s decisions were informed by a poor understanding of probability. He seemed to think that Hillary was assured of victory (whereas the polling remained fairly close throughout the campaign), and further that his own actions wouldn’t change the odds.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Another longish read, but worth it:Michelle Goldberg
The Absurd Argument Against Making Trump Obey the Law‘Trump shouldn’t be prosecuted because of politics, but he also shouldn’t be spared because of them. The only relevant question is whether he committed a crime, not what crimes his devotees might commit if he’s held to account.’
(long URL, but it gets you around the paywall):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/trump-fbi-raid.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQFUaAibSRdkhrxqAwuTV3bkkw3H0LW2PQDdOieQJBozKs2H8WZ1eXfphlTKKWI0Gd7Y1WP15yuIYY0c8FlOi_pDBkctcemBo9dy_G2k_gpyIUelmoTbhYmfncLojjvWlsh2HERTiUKbf0HArJw9389AyJRzxhyt-luqSGfV129J-wf4rGph7ID4CbyOPtPLuYA5sbJTENlqPr1lrBJwKHG3bjtWe6LkfcQRNClygTXp342g06940K8qpZqZFRzqKq_ELf1JCuzOV&smid=nytcore-ios-share
Paywall that 12ft can’t get over
Just copy, paste, and go to the URL provided above. No probs with it here.
just assassinate the fucker.
dv said:
CheersI’m reminded that Comey’s decisions were informed by a poor understanding of probability. He seemed to think that Hillary was assured of victory (whereas the polling remained fairly close throughout the campaign), and further that his own actions wouldn’t change the odds.
So many (including a lot of the Democrat organisation) were so absolutely convinced that Hilary had it in the bag that they wrote off the contest far to early. Surely Americans couldn’t be so unutterably dumb as to vote for Trump over Hilary?
Bogsnorkler said:
just assassinate the fucker.
Regrettably, all it would do is make a martyr of him.
As i’ve said before, if he was killed by a bolt of lightning out on the golf course, his supporters would only concoct a conspiracy idea to ‘explain’ that it was Democrats/‘deep state’/whatever that did it.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just assassinate the fucker.
Regrettably, all it would do is make a martyr of him.
As i’ve said before, if he was killed by a bolt of lightning out on the golf course, his supporters would only concoct a conspiracy idea to ‘explain’ that it was Democrats/‘deep state’/whatever that did it.
he’d still be dead and his acolytes leaderless. no one would rise to take his place.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just assassinate the fucker.
Regrettably, all it would do is make a martyr of him.
As i’ve said before, if he was killed by a bolt of lightning out on the golf course, his supporters would only concoct a conspiracy idea to ‘explain’ that it was Democrats/‘deep state’/whatever that did it.
he’d still be dead and his acolytes leaderless. no one would rise to take his place.
There’s always someone who wants to be Fuhrer.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:Regrettably, all it would do is make a martyr of him.
As i’ve said before, if he was killed by a bolt of lightning out on the golf course, his supporters would only concoct a conspiracy idea to ‘explain’ that it was Democrats/‘deep state’/whatever that did it.
he’d still be dead and his acolytes leaderless. no one would rise to take his place.
There’s always someone who wants to be Fuhrer.
for many be called, but few chosen.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just assassinate the fucker.
Regrettably, all it would do is make a martyr of him.
As i’ve said before, if he was killed by a bolt of lightning out on the golf course, his supporters would only concoct a conspiracy idea to ‘explain’ that it was Democrats/‘deep state’/whatever that did it.
or that god saved him from being imprisoned by the swamp.
captain_spalding said:
Fair comment.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Fair comment.
Surely the FBI’s job is to do exactly what they are doing with Chump Trump
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
Who will reveal that the truth is out there if they are disbanded
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
Conservation of energy intellectual thinking does very little of it
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
Thoughtful and cautious philosophers such as Burke, Goethe, Malcolm Roberts etc
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
The FBI have a spotty track record.
Under J. Edgar Hoover it was quite political
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
The FBI have a spotty track record.
Under J. Edgar Hoover it was quite political
And very woke given its leadership’s acceptance of men wearing dresses.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Republican Congressman and conservative intellectual Paul Gosar reflects on current events.
What is this “conservative intellectual” thing of which you speak?
The FBI have a spotty track record.
Under J. Edgar Hoover it was quite political
But its dress sense was amazing.
https://youtu.be/SxgXDe1Ed9I
Acosta grills Andrew Yang on the Forward Party
Giuiliani has now been informed that he is the subject of a criminal investigation in Georgia.
one can’t the Supreme Court just roll out a bunch of bullshit to make these alleged crimes no longer crimes
two at what point of a criminal administration does the persisting active legacy of that criminal administration become illegitimate and therefore invalid and for example lead to revisiting Supreme Court nominations and even to their decisions
SCIENCE said:
one can’t the Supreme Court just roll out a bunch of bullshit to make these alleged crimes no longer crimestwo at what point of a criminal administration does the persisting active legacy of that criminal administration become illegitimate and therefore invalid and for example lead to revisiting Supreme Court nominations and even to their decisions
1/ The SC doesn’t have legislative power. Also, for all their general conservative activism, this Supreme Court has done Trump zero favours. They swatted away his bogus legal efforts like flies. I don’t think they are pro-Trump at all.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-supreme-court-election-results-lawsuit-pennsylvania-votes/6b490c40-be8a-4887-8dd1-e3b18188e79d
2/ I don’t think that ever happens. He was legitimately president.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
one can’t the Supreme Court just roll out a bunch of bullshit to make these alleged crimes no longer crimes
two at what point of a criminal administration does the persisting active legacy of that criminal administration become illegitimate and therefore invalid and for example lead to revisiting Supreme Court nominations and even to their decisions
1/ The SC doesn’t have legislative power. Also, for all their general conservative activism, this Supreme Court has done Trump zero favours. They swatted away his bogus legal efforts like flies. I don’t think they are pro-Trump at all.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-supreme-court-election-results-lawsuit-pennsylvania-votes/6b490c40-be8a-4887-8dd1-e3b18188e79d
2/ I don’t think that ever happens. He was legitimately president.
well all right so the court is full of bastards looking out for themselves and riding the wave of sewage to the top, we can believe that
we suppose we can believe that there’s no need for a court to do any of that anyway if ongoing active criminals are the correct choice for leadership positions
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
one can’t the Supreme Court just roll out a bunch of bullshit to make these alleged crimes no longer crimes
two at what point of a criminal administration does the persisting active legacy of that criminal administration become illegitimate and therefore invalid and for example lead to revisiting Supreme Court nominations and even to their decisions
1/ The SC doesn’t have legislative power. Also, for all their general conservative activism, this Supreme Court has done Trump zero favours. They swatted away his bogus legal efforts like flies. I don’t think they are pro-Trump at all.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-supreme-court-election-results-lawsuit-pennsylvania-votes/6b490c40-be8a-4887-8dd1-e3b18188e79d
2/ I don’t think that ever happens. He was legitimately president.
well all right so the court is full of bastards looking out for themselves and riding the wave of sewage to the top, we can believe that
we suppose we can believe that there’s no need for a court to do any of that anyway if ongoing active criminals are the correct choice for leadership positions
I think the judiciary as a whole ran out of fucks with regard to DJT many years ago. He berates them publicly, openly tampers with witnesses, casts scorn on the judicial process, wastes thousands of hours of court time with his frivolous suits. Not much works in the USA but it was heartening that his legal efforts got absolutely nowhere at any level, even with Republican judges that he appointed.
Which is why he turned to illegal efforts…
What’s in a name?
‘It’s not theirs, it’s mine’: Trump resisted advisers’ calls to return White House documents
Donald Trump was warned that the records he was holding on to were illegally retained, but the former president refused to give them back because he disagreed with that assertion, a new report claims.
The New York Times reported on Tuesday that Mr Trump flat-out refused to return boxes of documents, including some that apparently were marked classified, when approached by his former deputy White House counsel, Patrick Philbin
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-advisers-maralago-classified-documents-b2146399.html
I am sad that there wasn’t more support for Liz Cheney. I don’t understand why so many are supportive of undemocratic rioting police killers and worse.
sarahs mum said:
I am sad that there wasn’t more support for Liz Cheney. I don’t understand why so many are supportive of undemocratic rioting police killers and worse.
On the bright side, Lisa Murkowski won her primary. She was one of the few Senate Republicans who voted to impeach Trump second time around.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
I am sad that there wasn’t more support for Liz Cheney. I don’t understand why so many are supportive of undemocratic rioting police killers and worse.
On the bright side, Lisa Murkowski won her primary. She was one of the few Senate Republicans who voted to impeach Trump second time around.
I’m glad there is a bright side.
Alaska now uses preference voting which is interesting. There was an election this week for their House of Representatives seat … Sarah Palin is running in it.
During an appearance in Manchester, NH, former VP Mike Pence says he would consider testifying to the committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5KXsPDZps
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/08/full-transcript-of-leaked-steve-bannon-tape-donald-trump-2020-election/
Morning all.
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roughbarked said:
Morning all. Updated at 06:40 EST12.0 °C
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sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
I am sad that there wasn’t more support for Liz Cheney. I don’t understand why so many are supportive of undemocratic rioting police killers and worse.
On the bright side, Lisa Murkowski won her primary. She was one of the few Senate Republicans who voted to impeach Trump second time around.
I’m glad there is a bright side.
Always look on it.
There’s comments everywhere on how Liz Cheney was beaten by a ‘Trump-backed’ candidate, as if some great opportunity for true democracy was missed.
Let’s not forget that she’s Dick Cheney’s daughter ( the bloke whose former employer, Halliburton, did so very well out of the war in Iraq, which he did much to initiate by repeating claims about WMDs).
And, she’s still a Republican.
captain_spalding said:
There’s comments everywhere on how Liz Cheney was beaten by a ‘Trump-backed’ candidate, as if some great opportunity for true democracy was missed.Let’s not forget that she’s Dick Cheney’s daughter ( the bloke whose former employer, Halliburton, did so very well out of the war in Iraq, which he did much to initiate by repeating claims about WMDs).
And, she’s still a Republican.
She’s very conservative but seriously I don’t think anyone has forgotten that. A lot of the opposition to DJT within the Republican party is from conservatives: he is, after all, quite radical.
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damages
Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.
U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
privatised commercialised law enforcement and corrective services nice beautiful what could go wrong
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
A for profit jail, hey I’m sure that wouldn’t be misused
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
I’m sorry, but shouldn’t these fuckers be criminally charged and sent to gaol?
Cymek said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
A for profit jail, hey I’m sure that wouldn’t be misused
I can’t see how that could even work without them being fulltime non paid workers with the minimal acceptable quality of life conditions
Jails aren’t the cheap option for housing people
sibeen said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
I’m sorry, but shouldn’t these fuckers be criminally charged and sent to gaol?
They were. This one got 28 years:
Mark Arthur Ciavarella Jr. (born March 3, 1950) is a convicted felon and former President Judge of the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania who was involved, along with fellow judge Michael Conahan, in the “Kids for cash” scandal in 2008, for which he was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison in 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella
sibeen said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
I’m sorry, but shouldn’t these fuckers be criminally charged and sent to gaol?
You’d think so, going against everything they are meant to represent
Cymek said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
A for profit jail, hey I’m sure that wouldn’t be misused
That would just be a privately run jail, would it not?
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
I’m sorry, but shouldn’t these fuckers be criminally charged and sent to gaol?
They were. This one got 28 years:
Mark Arthur Ciavarella Jr. (born March 3, 1950) is a convicted felon and former President Judge of the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania who was involved, along with fellow judge Michael Conahan, in the “Kids for cash” scandal in 2008, for which he was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison in 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella
T’other one:
Michael T. Conahan (born April 21, 1952) is a convicted felon and former judge. He received a J.D. degree from Temple University and went on to serve from 1994 to 2007 as Judge on the Court of Common Pleas in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. During the last four years of his tenure, he was the President Judge of the county.
He is currently serving seventeen-and-a-half years in prison for his part in the Kids for cash scandal. Due to coronavirus concerns, Conahan was released on a temporary furlough on June 19, 2020, and is currently reported to be in home confinement.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
I’m sorry, but shouldn’t these fuckers be criminally charged and sent to gaol?
They were. This one got 28 years:
Mark Arthur Ciavarella Jr. (born March 3, 1950) is a convicted felon and former President Judge of the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania who was involved, along with fellow judge Michael Conahan, in the “Kids for cash” scandal in 2008, for which he was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison in 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella
Ahh…good :)
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Judges who sent children to for-profit jails for kickbacks ordered to pay more than $200 million in damagesMark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan shut down a county-run juvenile detention center and accepted $2.8 million in illegal payments from the builder and co-owner of two for-profit lockups.
Two Pennsylvania judges who orchestrated a scheme to send children to for-profit jails in exchange for kickbacks were ordered to pay more than $200 million to hundreds who fell victim to their crimes.U.S. District Judge Christopher Conner awarded $106 million in compensatory damages and $100 million in punitive damages to nearly 300 people in a long-running civil suit against the judges, writing the plaintiffs are “the tragic human casualties of a scandal of epic proportions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-sent-children-profit-jails-kickbacks-ordered-pay-200-million-da-rcna43538
A for profit jail, hey I’m sure that wouldn’t be misused
That would just be a privately run jail, would it not?
Oh, this is good.
https://imgur.com/gallery/tgXBrhV
(CNN)The former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization is expected to plead guilty Thursday to a 15-year tax fraud scheme, and he is willing to testify in a possible future trial but will not enter into a cooperation agreement to aid New York prosecutors in their criminal investigation of the real estate company’s finances, a person familiar with the matter said.
Allen Weisselberg, a fiercely loyal, long-time employee of former President Donald Trump’s company, is in advanced talks to plead to the indictment, the person said. The judge overseeing the case has set a hearing for Thursday morning.
Under the terms of the deal, which is still being finalized, Weisselberg would receive a five-month prison sentence but would serve about 100 days behind bars, the person said. Weisselberg faced up to 15 years in prison.
Weisselberg will not sign up as a cooperator, the person said, but he will testify at trial — if the case moves forward and the Trump Organization does not itself reach a plea agreement. The judge set the trial for October 24.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/17/politics/allen-weisselberg-plead-guilty-trump-organization-former-cfo/index.html
https://youtu.be/ekefMUICOGo
LegalEagle on the Mar-a-Lago raid
A discussion on the whole Trump with classified documents thing:
https://youtu.be/ekefMUICOGo?t=318
TL;DNR
Trump is going to be fucked by the laws he brought in.
BREAKING.
Alex Jones has ditched Trump for someone ten times better called Ron, apparently.
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING.
Alex Jones has ditched Trump for someone ten times better called Ron, apparently.
Rhonda Santas
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING.
Alex Jones has ditched Trump for someone ten times better called Ron, apparently.
Rhonda Santas
She’s friends with Erica Betts, yes??
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING.
Alex Jones has ditched Trump for someone ten times better called Ron, apparently.
Rhonda Santas
She’s friends with Erica Betts, yes??
no doubt
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING.
Alex Jones has ditched Trump for someone ten times better called Ron, apparently.
Rhonda Santas
She’s friends with Erica Betts, yes??
Alex Jones abandons Trump for Ron DeSantis: ‘We have someone way better’
‘We have someone who is better than Trump. Way better than Trump’
Lock Him Up Yesterday! – A Randy Rainbow Song Parody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk
sarahs mum said:
Lock Him Up Yesterday! – A Randy Rainbow Song Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk
Judy…
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Lock Him Up Yesterday! – A Randy Rainbow Song Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk
Judy…
judy judy judy.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Lock Him Up Yesterday! – A Randy Rainbow Song Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk
Judy…
judy judy judy.
What’s that from
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Judy…
judy judy judy.
What’s that from
not Cary Grant. But with a Cary Grant accent.
Why did Peter Bogdanovich say Judy Judy?
“Judy, Judy, Judy”. Peter Bogdanovich believes that the genesis of the imitation came from Grant’s delivery in several lines in Only Angels Have Wings.. ‘In the film his former girl friend is called Judith or Judy (played by Rita Hayworth).
CARY GRANT reveals a personal flaw & actually says “Judy, Judy, Judy”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6qPnjcZKC8
sarahs mum said:
Lock Him Up Yesterday! – A Randy Rainbow Song Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk
That’s a good one.
sarahs mum said:
Lock Him Up Yesterday! – A Randy Rainbow Song Parodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSZRkeQfnk
But if they finally do lock him up.
what is randy going to do?
sarahs mum said:
CARY GRANT reveals a personal flaw & actually says “Judy, Judy, Judy”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6qPnjcZKC8
I have no idea what the significance of actually saying Judy three times is :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
CARY GRANT reveals a personal flaw & actually says “Judy, Judy, Judy”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6qPnjcZKC8
I have no idea what the significance of actually saying Judy three times is :)
I also had no idea until just now that there is such a thing as a “Doug Wiki”.
SCIENCE said:
Here’s Fox’s coverage.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-cia-director-hayden-agrees-journalist-tweet-labeling-republicans-dangerous-nihilistic
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Here’s Fox’s coverage.
didn’t know his forehead was so huge but anyway
Not all Republicans
LOL
Senior Democrats still can’t read a chart, or perhaps are deliberately misrepresenting the status. I’m not sure why they think this would help.
A federal judge in Florida has temporarily blocked enforcement of part of a law that restricts conversation about race in schools and workplaces that was passed by the state’s Republicans and supported by Governor Ron DeSantis.
The law says that people should not be instructed to “feel guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress” because of their race, color, sex or national origin and has been seen as aimed at lessons on “white privilege” and related matters.
Three companies, including a consultancy that provides workplace diversity training, argued in court that the law violated their First Amendment rights, among other issues. Judge Walker agreed.
https://www.newsweek.com/inside-desantis-anti-woke-law-partially-blocked-judge-1735052
Let’s be frank here: There’s growing, justifiable suspicion that the Secret Service — an agency responsible for protecting the United States’ top officials — may have engaged in a cover-up regarding its actions on or around the Jan. 6 attack.
Over the past month we’ve learned the Secret Service agents erased texts, despite leadership issuing guidance weeks after the Jan. 6 attack instructing members to “preserve content on their phones” ahead of a phone migration. And sources told NBC News that Secret Service members referenced in Cassidy Hutchinson’s bombshell testimony before the Jan. 6 committee have disputed some of her claims — yet there’s no evidence they’ve come forward to do so under oath. What’s more, top Democrats have accused the Department of Homeland Security inspector general of hampering investigations into the deleted texts.
The situation became even more concerning following a report published Wednesday by government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
Emails obtained by CREW showed the Secret Service learned about a threat to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., days before the Jan. 6 attack — but did not notify Capitol Police about it until hours after rioters stormed the Capitol.
A Secret Service email sent at 5:55 p.m. ET on Jan. 6, 2021, warned the Capitol Police of a threat made against Pelosi on the far-right social media platform Parler two days prior, according to CREW.
The threat referenced in the email was posted on Dec. 31, 2020, by the account @unleashedpatriots and invoked Revolutionary War language to describe a violent attack against liberals on Jan. 6:
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/secret-service-pelosi-threat-rcna43712?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
dv said:
Let’s be frank here: There’s growing, justifiable suspicion that the Secret Service — an agency responsible for protecting the United States’ top officials — may have engaged in a cover-up regarding its actions on or around the Jan. 6 attack.Over the past month we’ve learned the Secret Service agents erased texts, despite leadership issuing guidance weeks after the Jan. 6 attack instructing members to “preserve content on their phones” ahead of a phone migration. And sources told NBC News that Secret Service members referenced in Cassidy Hutchinson’s bombshell testimony before the Jan. 6 committee have disputed some of her claims — yet there’s no evidence they’ve come forward to do so under oath. What’s more, top Democrats have accused the Department of Homeland Security inspector general of hampering investigations into the deleted texts.
The situation became even more concerning following a report published Wednesday by government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
Emails obtained by CREW showed the Secret Service learned about a threat to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., days before the Jan. 6 attack — but did not notify Capitol Police about it until hours after rioters stormed the Capitol.
A Secret Service email sent at 5:55 p.m. ET on Jan. 6, 2021, warned the Capitol Police of a threat made against Pelosi on the far-right social media platform Parler two days prior, according to CREW.
The threat referenced in the email was posted on Dec. 31, 2020, by the account @unleashedpatriots and invoked Revolutionary War language to describe a violent attack against liberals on Jan. 6:
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/secret-service-pelosi-threat-rcna43712?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
Multiple deptartments even? not just the SS.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Let’s be frank here: There’s growing, justifiable suspicion that the Secret Service — an agency responsible for protecting the United States’ top officials — may have engaged in a cover-up regarding its actions on or around the Jan. 6 attack.Over the past month we’ve learned the Secret Service agents erased texts, despite leadership issuing guidance weeks after the Jan. 6 attack instructing members to “preserve content on their phones” ahead of a phone migration. And sources told NBC News that Secret Service members referenced in Cassidy Hutchinson’s bombshell testimony before the Jan. 6 committee have disputed some of her claims — yet there’s no evidence they’ve come forward to do so under oath. What’s more, top Democrats have accused the Department of Homeland Security inspector general of hampering investigations into the deleted texts.
The situation became even more concerning following a report published Wednesday by government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
Emails obtained by CREW showed the Secret Service learned about a threat to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., days before the Jan. 6 attack — but did not notify Capitol Police about it until hours after rioters stormed the Capitol.
A Secret Service email sent at 5:55 p.m. ET on Jan. 6, 2021, warned the Capitol Police of a threat made against Pelosi on the far-right social media platform Parler two days prior, according to CREW.
The threat referenced in the email was posted on Dec. 31, 2020, by the account @unleashedpatriots and invoked Revolutionary War language to describe a violent attack against liberals on Jan. 6:
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/secret-service-pelosi-threat-rcna43712?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
Multiple deptartments even? not just the SS.
maybe they meant that other SS, made up of party volunteers to provide security for party meetings
Mitch McConnell suggests GOP ‘candidate quality’ could blow party’s chances of winning Senate
Republicans spend big in a tight race in Ohio while Dr Oz and Herschel Walker campaigns take a dive
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mitch-mcconnell-dr-oz-election-senate-b2148852.html
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23313161/luis-miguel-florida-republican-twitter-ban-threats-fbi-irs-incitement
Twitter bans Florida Republican for encouraging the killing of federal agents
Luis Miguel is campaigning in the Republican primary to represent Florida’s 20th district in the state House of Representatives.
Miguel’s threat comes amid intense GOP hostility toward the FBI and IRS, spurred by the federal raid on Mar-a-Lago and Congress’ recent move to increase tax enforcement. But Miguel’s tweet went beyond criticisms of the agencies, calling for armed violence against their employees.
“Under my plan, all Floridians will be able to shoot FBI, IRS, ATF, and all other federal troops ON SIGHT,” the message read. “Let freedom ring.”
Florida Politics found the same statement posted to Miguel’s Facebook and Instagram pages, although the posts have since been removed and his profiles remain active. Facebook and Instagram did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
dv said:
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23313161/luis-miguel-florida-republican-twitter-ban-threats-fbi-irs-incitementTwitter bans Florida Republican for encouraging the killing of federal agents
Luis Miguel is campaigning in the Republican primary to represent Florida’s 20th district in the state House of Representatives.Miguel’s threat comes amid intense GOP hostility toward the FBI and IRS, spurred by the federal raid on Mar-a-Lago and Congress’ recent move to increase tax enforcement. But Miguel’s tweet went beyond criticisms of the agencies, calling for armed violence against their employees.
“Under my plan, all Floridians will be able to shoot FBI, IRS, ATF, and all other federal troops ON SIGHT,” the message read. “Let freedom ring.”
Florida Politics found the same statement posted to Miguel’s Facebook and Instagram pages, although the posts have since been removed and his profiles remain active. Facebook and Instagram did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Heck!
dv said:
Mitch McConnell suggests GOP ‘candidate quality’ could blow party’s chances of winning SenateRepublicans spend big in a tight race in Ohio while Dr Oz and Herschel Walker campaigns take a dive
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mitch-mcconnell-dr-oz-election-senate-b2148852.html
Trump has the money.
beau on water alllocations in Arizona.
It’s been 22 years. It isn’t a drought. It is climate.
Appeals court says DOJ improperly redacted memo to AG Barr on Trump obstruction
The Department of Justice (DOJ) improperly shielded portions of a memo to Attorney General William Barr that concerned whether former President Trump obstructed a special counsel probe into his campaign’s dealings with Russia during the 2016 presidential election, a federal appeals court in Washington ruled on Friday.
The unanimous ruling by a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit affirmed a federal judge’s May 2021 decision that the DOJ had improperly redacted parts of the Trump-era legal memo that should have been made public as part of a government watchdog’s records request lawsuit.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3607920-appeals-court-says-doj-improperly-redacted-memo-to-ag-barr-on-trump-obstruction/
Republicans Demand To Know What Happened To Vanishing GOP Millions
“If they were a corporation, the CEO would be fired,” a GOP consultant said of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, The Washington Post reported.
A number of Republican strategists and consultants are growing increasingly dismayed about millions of dollars vanishing at the National Republican Senatorial Committee — just when the funds are needed most, The Washington Post reported Friday.
Cash at the national campaign fund is dwindling as candidates head into the final stretch of Senate races across the U.S.
Florida Sen. Rick Scott, who chairs the NRSC, has been attacked by Republicans for featuring himself in ads and releasing a policy agenda that caused trouble for the GOP, leading to quips that “NRSC” stands for “National Rick Scott Committee.”
NRSC funds had reportedly reached $173 million this election cycle but were already down to $28.4 million by the end of June.
The committee spent more than $12 million on American Express credit card payments with an unclear purpose, along with $13 million for consultants and $9 million on debt payments, the Post said.
Now, a number of Republican candidates are struggling to raise money ahead of the general elections in November.
“It’s surprising and says a lot about the Republican brand that their candidates have struggled to raise money,” J.B. Poersch, the president of the Democratic-allied Senate Majority PAC, told the Post.
“With extreme candidates and extreme positions, maybe Republican donors are finding these candidates are out of step with where they are,” he said. “Maybe voters are feeling the same way.”
.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-fundraised-millions-nrsc_n_63007cf4e4b0e323a255cb3c
good
Philadelphia Senate race is heating up
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Former President Donald Trump has launched a furious attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a dispute over the GOP Senate mid-term campaign.
Trump said the senior senator from Kentucky should spend more time and money helping Republican Senate candidates get elected and “less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China.”
“Why do Republicans Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-broken-down-hack-mcconnell-crazy-wife-senate-races-2022-8
dv said:
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidatesDonald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Former President Donald Trump has launched a furious attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a dispute over the GOP Senate mid-term campaign.
Trump said the senior senator from Kentucky should spend more time and money helping Republican Senate candidates get elected and “less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China.”
“Why do Republicans Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-broken-down-hack-mcconnell-crazy-wife-senate-races-2022-8
As much as Trump want’s to fade from the limelight and just get on with his life, enjoy his twilight years, play with his grand kids and whittle the media wont leave him alone.
It’s not right.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidatesDonald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Former President Donald Trump has launched a furious attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a dispute over the GOP Senate mid-term campaign.
Trump said the senior senator from Kentucky should spend more time and money helping Republican Senate candidates get elected and “less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China.”
“Why do Republicans Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-broken-down-hack-mcconnell-crazy-wife-senate-races-2022-8
As much as Trump want’s to fade from the limelight and just get on with his life, enjoy his twilight years, play with his grand kids and whittle the media wont leave him alone.
It’s not right.
ROFL
out on his farm like Thanos
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidatesDonald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Former President Donald Trump has launched a furious attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a dispute over the GOP Senate mid-term campaign.
Trump said the senior senator from Kentucky should spend more time and money helping Republican Senate candidates get elected and “less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China.”
“Why do Republicans Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-broken-down-hack-mcconnell-crazy-wife-senate-races-2022-8
As much as Trump want’s to fade from the limelight and just get on with his life, enjoy his twilight years, play with his grand kids and whittle the media wont leave him alone.
It’s not right.
ROFL
out on his farm like Thanos
Thanos has his looks though
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidatesDonald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Former President Donald Trump has launched a furious attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a dispute over the GOP Senate mid-term campaign.
Trump said the senior senator from Kentucky should spend more time and money helping Republican Senate candidates get elected and “less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China.”
“Why do Republicans Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-broken-down-hack-mcconnell-crazy-wife-senate-races-2022-8
As much as Trump want’s to fade from the limelight and just get on with his life, enjoy his twilight years, play with his grand kids and whittle the media wont leave him alone.
It’s not right.
ROFL
out on his farm like Thanos
Maybe if they stopped reporting about Thanos he would just fade away along with his ideas or is he too much of a cash cow?
Peak Warming Man said:
Maybe if they stopped reporting about Thanos he would just fade away along with his ideas or is he too much of a cash cow?
What are you gonna do? He’s a former president … what he says is news. If Jimmy Carter suddenly sparked up calling Nancy Pelosi a burned out corrupt hack I dare say it would get printed.
Also, he’s about to announce his 2024 campaign. It would be nice to think he’s an interesting historical footnote but he could well be the man of the future.
dv said:
Donald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidatesDonald Trump launched a furious attack on ‘broken down hack’ Mitch McConnell and his ‘crazy wife’ in bust-up over GOP Senate candidates
Former President Donald Trump has launched a furious attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a dispute over the GOP Senate mid-term campaign.
Trump said the senior senator from Kentucky should spend more time and money helping Republican Senate candidates get elected and “less time helping his crazy wife and family get rich on China.”
“Why do Republicans Senators allow a broken down hack politician, Mitch McConnell, to openly disparage hard working Republican candidates for the United States Senate,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-broken-down-hack-mcconnell-crazy-wife-senate-races-2022-8
Things are getting dark down there in the Fuhrerbunker.
Video captures 3 Arkansas police officers beating a man outside convenience store in Crawford County
content advisory
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_Seid
This fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
dv said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_SeidThis fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
Obscene. Dangerously obscene.
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_SeidThis fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
Obscene. Dangerously obscene.
It does make you wonder what a “political action group” will actually do with that amount of money.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_SeidThis fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
Obscene. Dangerously obscene.
It does make you wonder what a “political action group” will actually do with that amount of money.
if you’re on the left, apparently nothing
In a statement to the Times, Leo said it was “high time for the conservative movement to be among the ranks of George Soros, Hansjörg Wyss, Arabella Advisors and other left-wing philanthropists, going toe-to-toe in the fight to defend our constitution and its ideals.” Leo and representatives for Seid did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
we mean even without it the DPRNA has successfully been diverted right, how inefficient is spending on the left
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Obscene. Dangerously obscene.
It does make you wonder what a “political action group” will actually do with that amount of money.
if you’re on the left, apparently nothing
In a statement to the Times, Leo said it was “high time for the conservative movement to be among the ranks of George Soros, Hansjörg Wyss, Arabella Advisors and other left-wing philanthropists, going toe-to-toe in the fight to defend our constitution and its ideals.” Leo and representatives for Seid did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
we mean even without it the DPRNA has successfully been diverted right, how inefficient is spending on the left
Political donations should be banned, they are essentially a bribe
dv said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_SeidThis fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
It’s hard to believe that the DJT campaign has less than 1.6 billion donated so far.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_SeidThis fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
It’s hard to believe that the DJT campaign has less than 1.6 billion donated so far.
His supporters can only donate amounts up to maximum the number of fingers they have, so $8
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre_SeidThis fellow is a 90 year old electronics executive. He just gave nearly his entire fortune of 1.6 billion dollars to the conservative political action group that advised Trump on Supreme Court nominees. It’s the single biggest political donation in history, representing more than the entire amount donated to DJT’s presidential campaign.
https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid
It’s hard to believe that the DJT campaign has less than 1.6 billion donated so far.
His supporters can only donate amounts up to maximum the number of fingers they have, so $8
I would have thought that was 12. ;)
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s hard to believe that the DJT campaign has less than 1.6 billion donated so far.
His supporters can only donate amounts up to maximum the number of fingers they have, so $8
I would have thought that was 12. ;)
That works as well
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:His supporters can only donate amounts up to maximum the number of fingers they have, so $8
I would have thought that was 12. ;)
That works as well
Fingers are important in the digital age.
A couple more elected Republicans have changed team recently.
Member of the Colorado Senate, Kevin Priola, has switched to Democrats, citing his disgust with the Republican response to the Jan 6 attack and their denialism regarding the 2020 election, as well as their opposition to climate change action.
Member of the Kansas Senate, Dennis Pyle, is now an independent and is running for Governor in that state. His break with the Republicans relate to his objection to gerrymandering, and to the state party’s antiabortion efforts.
Ousted Republican reflects on Trump, democracy and America: ‘The place has lost its mind
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/rusty-bowers-interview-trump-arizona-republicans
Some of the shit the republicans are trying on in Arizona is rather mind blowing.
It appears that Trump is going to be representing himself in Trump v United States Government?
dv said:
It appears that Trump is going to be representing himself in Trump v United States Government?
lol, that’s gonna be a clown show.
Kingy said:
dv said:
It appears that Trump is going to be representing himself in Trump v United States Government?
lol, that’s gonna be a clown show.
luckily Florida is pretty much on side
dv said:
It appears that Trump is going to be representing himself in Trump v United States Government?
PRO SE = Latin for “for oneself, on one’s own behalf.
There ya go.
dv said:
It appears that Trump is going to be representing himself in Trump v United States Government?
He knows everything better than any other person on the planet…
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo
The DOJ under Barr wrongly withheld parts of a Russia probe memo, a court rules
The Justice Department under Attorney General William Barr improperly withheld portions of an internal memo Barr cited in announcing that then-President Donald Trump had not obstructed justice in the Russia investigation, a federal appeals panel said Friday.
The department had argued that the 2019 memo represented private deliberations of its lawyers before any decision was formalized, and was thus exempt from disclosure. A federal judge previously disagreed, ordering the Justice Department to provide it to a government transparency group that had sued for it.
At issue in the case is a March 24, 2019, memorandum from the head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel and another senior department official that was prepared for Barr to evaluate whether evidence in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation could support prosecution of the president for obstruction of justice.
Barr has said he looked to that opinion in concluding that Trump did not illegally obstruct the Russia probe, which was an investigation of whether his campaign had colluded with Russia to tip the 2016 election.
A year later, a federal judge sharply rebuked Barr’s handling of Mueller’s report, saying Barr had made “misleading public statements” to spin the investigation’s findings in favor of Trump and had shown a “lack of candor.”
Friday’s appeals court decision said the internal Justice Department memo noted that “Mueller had declined to accuse President Trump of obstructing justice but also had declined to exonerate him.” The internal memo said “the Report’s failure to take a definitive position could be read to imply an accusation against President Trump” if released to the public, the court wrote.
The Justice Department turned over other documents to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington as part of the group’s lawsuit, but declined to give it the memo. Government lawyers said they were entitled under public records law to withhold the memo because it reflected internal deliberations before any formal decision had been reached on what Mueller’s evidence showed.
Sitting presidents are generally protected from criminal charges on grounds it would undermine their ability to perform the office’s constitutional duties. The Justice Department, like Mueller, “took as a given that the Constitution would bar the prosecution of a sitting President,” the appeals court wrote, which meant the decision that Trump wouldn’t be charged had already been made and couldn’t be shielded from public release.
Had Justice Department officials made clear to the court that the memo related to Barr’s decision on making a public statement about the report, the appellate panel wrote, rulings in the case might have been different.
“Because the Department did not tie the memorandum to deliberations about the relevant decision, the Department failed to justify its reliance on the deliberative-process privilege,” wrote the panel of judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
Appellate judges also noted that their ruling was “narrow,” saying that it should not be interpreted to “call into question any of our precedents permitting agencies to withhold draft documents related to public messaging.”
Attorneys for the Justice Department didn’t immediately respond to an email message seeking comment. The department can appeal the ruling to the full appeals court.
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo
Testy Sen. Ron Johnson Claims He Was Only Involved In Fake Electors Plot For ‘Seconds’
Extremist Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) snapped at a local reporter that he was only involved in Donald Trump’s Jan. 6 plot to overturn the presidential election with fake electors for a “couple of seconds.”
Johnson, trailing in the polls against Democratic rival state Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, suddenly appears to be backpedaling as fast as he can from his former slavish devotion to Trump and false claims of a rigged presidential election.
Johnson was asked Friday by journalist Matt Smith from Milwaukee ABC affiliate WISN if he would testify about the fake electors plot before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection.
https://news.yahoo.com/testy-sen-ron-johnson-claims-122744718.html
The Economy Must Grow Yee Haw ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-23/america-school-security-ramps-up-after-uvalde/101362442
In suburban Kansas City, the decision to spend $US2.1 million ($3 million) over five years for a system called CrisisAlert “isn’t a knee-jerk reaction”, says Brent Kiger, director of safety services for Olathe Public Schools. Demand for CrisisAlert had been growing even before Uvalde, with revenue from new contracts increasing 270 per cent from the first quarter of 2021 to the first quarter of 2022, according to the product’s maker, Centegix.
SCIENCE said:
The Economy Must Grow Yee Haw ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-23/america-school-security-ramps-up-after-uvalde/101362442
In suburban Kansas City, the decision to spend $US2.1 million ($3 million) over five years for a system called CrisisAlert “isn’t a knee-jerk reaction”, says Brent Kiger, director of safety services for Olathe Public Schools. Demand for CrisisAlert had been growing even before Uvalde, with revenue from new contracts increasing 270 per cent from the first quarter of 2021 to the first quarter of 2022, according to the product’s maker, Centegix.
compare this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/18/boy-six-dies-india-throat-cut-glass-coated-kite-string
Some people take part in duels using kites flown on glass-coated string, which makes them more effective at attacking a rival’s kite. Afterwards, loose strings can remain hanging from buildings or trees, with unsuspecting scooter drivers riding through them, cutting their throats and sometimes bleeding to death.
Max Frost isn’t just a freezer setting, he’s a Democrat in Florida who appears set to become the first Gen Z in Congress. Hopefully he’ll fire a rocket up some of those stuffy and jaded Millennials clogging up the joint.
US: Jury convicts two over Michigan governor kidnap plot
US: Jury convicts two over Michigan governor kidnap plot
The two men, identified as members of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, were also found guilty of conspiring to use an explosive device. They face the possibility of life in prison.
On Tuesday, a US jury convicted two men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
The US government says the pair were members of the the far-right “boogaloo” movement and had ties to the Three Percenters militia in Michigan. A Texan member of the militia was convicted of storming the US Capitol earlier in August.
They were found guilty of conspiring to use an explosive device.
The men face the possibility of life in prison.
https://m.dw.com/en/us-jury-convicts-two-over-michigan-governor-kidnap-plot/a-62903303
Interesting choice in Democratic gubernatorial nominee in Florida to run against Ron deSantis.
Charlie Crist was governor of Florida from 2007 to 2011… as a Republican. He became a Democrat in 2012 because of the rise of “birtherism” in the GOP and other right wing attitudes towards minorities.
dv said:
Interesting choice in Democratic gubernatorial nominee in Florida to run against Ron deSantis.
Charlie Crist was governor of Florida from 2007 to 2011… as a Republican. He became a Democrat in 2012 because of the rise of “birtherism” in the GOP and other right wing attitudes towards minorities.
so essentially it’s a successful move to pull everything to the right
dv said:
US: Jury convicts two over Michigan governor kidnap plotUS: Jury convicts two over Michigan governor kidnap plot
The two men, identified as members of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, were also found guilty of conspiring to use an explosive device. They face the possibility of life in prison.
On Tuesday, a US jury convicted two men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
The US government says the pair were members of the the far-right “boogaloo” movement and had ties to the Three Percenters militia in Michigan. A Texan member of the militia was convicted of storming the US Capitol earlier in August.
They were found guilty of conspiring to use an explosive device.
The men face the possibility of life in prison.
https://m.dw.com/en/us-jury-convicts-two-over-michigan-governor-kidnap-plot/a-62903303
Damn break dancers not satisfied with one movie they have to have a second one
dv said:
US: Jury convicts two over Michigan governor kidnap plotUS: Jury convicts two over Michigan governor kidnap plot
The two men, identified as members of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, were also found guilty of conspiring to use an explosive device. They face the possibility of life in prison.
On Tuesday, a US jury convicted two men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
The US government says the pair were members of the the far-right “boogaloo” movement and had ties to the Three Percenters militia in Michigan. A Texan member of the militia was convicted of storming the US Capitol earlier in August.
They were found guilty of conspiring to use an explosive device.
The men face the possibility of life in prison.
https://m.dw.com/en/us-jury-convicts-two-over-michigan-governor-kidnap-plot/a-62903303
Big clean-up ahead.
dv said:
Interesting choice in Democratic gubernatorial nominee in Florida to run against Ron deSantis.Charlie Crist was governor of Florida from 2007 to 2011… as a Republican. He became a Democrat in 2012 because of the rise of “birtherism” in the GOP and other right wing attitudes towards minorities.
watched some of de santis last night rattle on about ‘the armour of god’ and ‘rising up to fight the fight.’
he’s dangerous.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Interesting choice in Democratic gubernatorial nominee in Florida to run against Ron deSantis.Charlie Crist was governor of Florida from 2007 to 2011… as a Republican. He became a Democrat in 2012 because of the rise of “birtherism” in the GOP and other right wing attitudes towards minorities.
watched some of de santis last night rattle on about ‘the armour of god’ and ‘rising up to fight the fight.’
he’s dangerous.
He belongs in a funny farm.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Interesting choice in Democratic gubernatorial nominee in Florida to run against Ron deSantis.Charlie Crist was governor of Florida from 2007 to 2011… as a Republican. He became a Democrat in 2012 because of the rise of “birtherism” in the GOP and other right wing attitudes towards minorities.
watched some of de santis last night rattle on about ‘the armour of god’ and ‘rising up to fight the fight.’
he’s dangerous.
He belongs in a funny farm.
Actually there are quite a lot of US politicians that belong in the funny farm.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:watched some of de santis last night rattle on about ‘the armour of god’ and ‘rising up to fight the fight.’
he’s dangerous.
He belongs in a funny farm.
Actually there are quite a lot of US politicians that belong in the funny farm.
it’s not funny.
Also i think it is potential worry for allies. Although Biden seems to be pushing forward on moderate changes for the better. But the nutter Christian nationalist force does not care for democracy.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He belongs in a funny farm.
Actually there are quite a lot of US politicians that belong in the funny farm.
it’s not funny.
Also i think it is potential worry for allies. Although Biden seems to be pushing forward on moderate changes for the better. But the nutter Christian nationalist force does not care for democracy.
^
Although the elections rn are mostly primaries, there were also two special elections (ie by elections) in NY for the House of Reps yesterday, and both of them gave good news for Democrats.
Typically there is a swing against the encumbered government in the midterms as a protest, so most commentators think that the Dems will struggle to hold the House this November. In today’s special election in the NY’s 19th district, the Democrats held on to this narrowly held seat, while in NY-23 it appears the Republicans will win, but with a 12% swing to the Democrats.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He belongs in a funny farm.
Actually there are quite a lot of US politicians that belong in the funny farm.
it’s not funny.
Also i think it is potential worry for allies. Although Biden seems to be pushing forward on moderate changes for the better. But the nutter Christian nationalist force does not care for democracy.
Funny farm is slang for psychiatric hospital.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Actually there are quite a lot of US politicians that belong in the funny farm.
it’s not funny.
Also i think it is potential worry for allies. Although Biden seems to be pushing forward on moderate changes for the better. But the nutter Christian nationalist force does not care for democracy.
^
The Nutter Christian nationalist force all need to read up on human rights.
Heart warming: Matt Gaetz wins his Republican primary despite being under investigation for child sex trafficking
dv said:
Heart warming: Matt Gaetz wins his Republican primary despite being under investigation for child sex trafficking
Hilary. Pizza. Lizard people.
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
Seems unsurprising.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
Seems unsurprising.
Best case might be if Trump loses the nomination and runs as a 3rd party candidate
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
Seems unsurprising.
Best case might be if Trump loses the nomination and runs as a 3rd party candidate
Trump getting back in will be the USA’s fall to the dark side being complete
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
The person who gets the most votes in a state gets all the electoral votes for that state – yes?
sibeen said:
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
The person who gets the most votes in a state gets all the electoral votes for that state – yes?
Trump would probably be the best guy to answer that.
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
I doubt Biden will run, it’s difficult to believe that Trump is even in the ball park.
Hope the Dems get someone who can harness the better angels of the American people.
Harris or Sanders aint them.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
The person who gets the most votes in a state gets all the electoral votes for that state – yes?
Yes, except in Nebraska and Maine.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
The person who gets the most votes in a state gets all the electoral votes for that state – yes?
Yes, except in Nebraska and Maine.
Yeah, I had a vague memory that it wasn’t quite across the board.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:The person who gets the most votes in a state gets all the electoral votes for that state – yes?
Yes, except in Nebraska and Maine.
Yeah, I had a vague memory that it wasn’t quite across the board.
Just checked, the last major 3rd party candidate was Perot back in 92. He got about 19% of the vote and not a single electoral vote.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Polling by Yougov suggests that an presidential run by Liz Cheney would help Trump more than it would help Biden.
The person who gets the most votes in a state gets all the electoral votes for that state – yes?
depends on the state.. different states have different rules regarding how the EC votes are distributed
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Yes, except in Nebraska and Maine.
Yeah, I had a vague memory that it wasn’t quite across the board.
Just checked, the last major 3rd party candidate was Perot back in 92. He got about 19% of the vote and not a single electoral vote.
the EC certainty favours a two party system
On the other hand, it is likely that Perot did Clinton a favour by splitting the conservative vote.
It was not unreasonable to hope that Cheney might do the same but the polling doesn’t back that up.
dv said:
On the other hand, it is likely that Perot did Clinton a favour by splitting the conservative vote.It was not unreasonable to hope that Cheney might do the same but the polling doesn’t back that up.
Yet.
(she said with a modicum of hope)
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-special-elections-really-are-signaling-a-better-than-expected-midterm-for-democrats/
Cymek said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Seems unsurprising.
Best case might be if Trump loses the nomination and runs as a 3rd party candidate
Trump getting back in will be the USA’s fall to the dark side being complete
Nothing can stop that now.
dv said:
On the other hand, it is likely that Perot did Clinton a favour by splitting the conservative vote.It was not unreasonable to hope that Cheney might do the same but the polling doesn’t back that up.
so what she should do is to actually join the Democratic party
Lauren Opal Boebert is an American politician, businesswoman, and gun rights activist. A member of the Republican Party, she serves as the U.S. representative for Colorado’s 3rd congressional district.
Lauren Boebert has suggested that children in public schools should be forced to undergo “biblical citizenship training”
Lauren Boebert = Jesus, Guns and Babies.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lauren Opal Boebert is an American politician, businesswoman, and gun rights activist. A member of the Republican Party, she serves as the U.S. representative for Colorado’s 3rd congressional district.Lauren Boebert has suggested that children in public schools should be forced to undergo “biblical citizenship training”
Lauren Boebert = Jesus, Guns and Babies.
Those babies can grow up grab a gun and fight a war in the name of Jesus
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
On the other hand, it is likely that Perot did Clinton a favour by splitting the conservative vote.It was not unreasonable to hope that Cheney might do the same but the polling doesn’t back that up.
so what she should do is to actually join the Democratic party
She voted with Trump on about 95% of his policies. It’s not like she’s anything even close to left leaning.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lauren Opal Boebert is an American politician, businesswoman, and gun rights activist. A member of the Republican Party, she serves as the U.S. representative for Colorado’s 3rd congressional district.Lauren Boebert has suggested that children in public schools should be forced to undergo “biblical citizenship training”
Lauren Boebert = Jesus, Guns and Babies.
Those babies can grow up grab a gun and fight a war in the name of Jesus
Like a lot of them have done.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lauren Opal Boebert is an American politician, businesswoman, and gun rights activist. A member of the Republican Party, she serves as the U.S. representative for Colorado’s 3rd congressional district.Lauren Boebert has suggested that children in public schools should be forced to undergo “biblical citizenship training”
Lauren Boebert = Jesus, Guns and Babies.
Those babies can grow up grab a gun and fight a war in the name of Jesus
Like a lot of them have done.
Yes
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
On the other hand, it is likely that Perot did Clinton a favour by splitting the conservative vote.It was not unreasonable to hope that Cheney might do the same but the polling doesn’t back that up.
so what she should do is to actually join the Democratic party
I’m not sure what she should do. I think she should probably ask the Dems not to run a candidate in her House seat so she can have a bash at it as an independent. But with regard to the Presidency she should leave it alone and try to use her influence elsewhere.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
On the other hand, it is likely that Perot did Clinton a favour by splitting the conservative vote.It was not unreasonable to hope that Cheney might do the same but the polling doesn’t back that up.
so what she should do is to actually join the Democratic party
She voted with Trump on about 95% of his policies. It’s not like she’s anything even close to left leaning.
Dick Cheney’s daughter.
George Bush at a black tie dinner-: It hasn’t been a great week, my poll numbers are down and my vice president just shot someone.
Peak Warming Man said:
George Bush at a black tie dinner-: It hasn’t been a great week, my poll numbers are down and my vice president just shot someone.
To be fair to Cheney, he was not the first VP to shoot someone while in office.
Republican candidates who are avowed election deniers are winning GOP primaries, setting up a clash over the nonpartisan administration of American elections. MSNBC anchor Ari Melber reports on two ways Republicans are undercutting majority rule — from the legal distortion of votes and voting districts in Wisconsin, to the allegedly illegal efforts to overthrow how Trump was the “loser” of the 2020 election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkLxUyx7Nw
I can’t get over the ‘we will bring down democracy’ platform as being one that so many want to succeed? Who are America these days?
sarahs mum said:
Republican candidates who are avowed election deniers are winning GOP primaries, setting up a clash over the nonpartisan administration of American elections. MSNBC anchor Ari Melber reports on two ways Republicans are undercutting majority rule — from the legal distortion of votes and voting districts in Wisconsin, to the allegedly illegal efforts to overthrow how Trump was the “loser” of the 2020 election.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkLxUyx7Nw
I can’t get over the ‘we will bring down democracy’ platform as being one that so many want to succeed? Who are America these days?
They’re becoming more Russian by the day.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Republican candidates who are avowed election deniers are winning GOP primaries, setting up a clash over the nonpartisan administration of American elections. MSNBC anchor Ari Melber reports on two ways Republicans are undercutting majority rule — from the legal distortion of votes and voting districts in Wisconsin, to the allegedly illegal efforts to overthrow how Trump was the “loser” of the 2020 election.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkLxUyx7Nw
I can’t get over the ‘we will bring down democracy’ platform as being one that so many want to succeed? Who are America these days?
They’re becoming more Russian by the day.
They were democratic if it was rich old white men getting elected nowadays almost anyone can get in
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Republican candidates who are avowed election deniers are winning GOP primaries, setting up a clash over the nonpartisan administration of American elections. MSNBC anchor Ari Melber reports on two ways Republicans are undercutting majority rule — from the legal distortion of votes and voting districts in Wisconsin, to the allegedly illegal efforts to overthrow how Trump was the “loser” of the 2020 election.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkLxUyx7Nw
I can’t get over the ‘we will bring down democracy’ platform as being one that so many want to succeed? Who are America these days?
They’re becoming more Russian by the day.
So it’ll soon be an insulting thing to say “Well, if you love the US so much, why don’t you go and live there?”
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Republican candidates who are avowed election deniers are winning GOP primaries, setting up a clash over the nonpartisan administration of American elections. MSNBC anchor Ari Melber reports on two ways Republicans are undercutting majority rule — from the legal distortion of votes and voting districts in Wisconsin, to the allegedly illegal efforts to overthrow how Trump was the “loser” of the 2020 election.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlkLxUyx7Nw
I can’t get over the ‘we will bring down democracy’ platform as being one that so many want to succeed? Who are America these days?
They’re becoming more Russian by the day.
So it’ll soon be an insulting thing to say “Well, if you love the US so much, why don’t you go and live there?”
just watched a vid of someone married to a US citizen with a bunch of kids with Us citizenship waiting for a visa that was going to come in three months, then 5 months, then 11 months…
sarahs mum said:
Neophyte said:
Bubblecar said:
They’re becoming more Russian by the day.
So it’ll soon be an insulting thing to say “Well, if you love the US so much, why don’t you go and live there?”
just watched a vid of someone married to a US citizen with a bunch of kids with Us citizenship waiting for a visa that was going to come in three months, then 5 months, then 11 months…
oh can’t you all chill they haven’t burnt down the Capitol and blamed it on the communists yet
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Neophyte said:
So it’ll soon be an insulting thing to say “Well, if you love the US so much, why don’t you go and live there?”
just watched a vid of someone married to a US citizen with a bunch of kids with Us citizenship waiting for a visa that was going to come in three months, then 5 months, then 11 months…
oh can’t you all chill they haven’t burnt down the Capitol and blamed it on the communists yet
seems like visas and passports are running late everywhere.
Trump’s Truth Social facing significant financial difficulties, vendors say. Its web hosting company says it is owed $1.6 million and hasn’t been paid for months.
https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1562873331069513728
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s Truth Social facing significant financial difficulties, vendors say. Its web hosting company says it is owed $1.6 million and hasn’t been paid for months.https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1562873331069513728
Time to pull the plug and then sue.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s Truth Social facing significant financial difficulties, vendors say. Its web hosting company says it is owed $1.6 million and hasn’t been paid for months.https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1562873331069513728
Time to pull the plug and then sue.
Imagine going in to business with tRump and expecting to get paid. Some people are just so innocent.
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s Truth Social facing significant financial difficulties, vendors say. Its web hosting company says it is owed $1.6 million and hasn’t been paid for months.https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1562873331069513728
Time to pull the plug and then sue.
Imagine going in to business with tRump and expecting to get paid. Some people are just so innocent.
“Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy”
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s Truth Social facing significant financial difficulties, vendors say. Its web hosting company says it is owed $1.6 million and hasn’t been paid for months.https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1562873331069513728
Time to pull the plug and then sue.
Imagine going in to business with tRump and expecting to get paid. Some people are just so innocent.
until it happens to them or someone they know, it’s not a thing
SCIENCE said:
Kingy said:
Michael V said:Time to pull the plug and then sue.
Imagine going in to business with tRump and expecting to get paid. Some people are just so innocent.
until it happens to them or someone they know, it’s not a thing
I watched a news bit on youtube the other night. the lawyer was suggesting that trump has a heirarchy of people people he pays vs those he doesn’t. he had knocked back trump but not on the grounds that he wouldn’t get paid. He inferred that trump’s case was so large it would take all of his time and resources of his firm and leave them unable to get through any other work.
sarahs mum said:
I watched a news bit on youtube the other night. the lawyer was suggesting that trump has a heirarchy of people people he pays vs those he doesn’t. he had knocked back trump but not on the grounds that he wouldn’t get paid. He inferred that trump’s case was so large it would take all of his time and resources of his firm and leave them unable to get through any other work.
And it would only get worse, with a client like Trump. Who knows what other cans of worms will be discovered in the near future?
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump’s Truth Social facing significant financial difficulties, vendors say. Its web hosting company says it is owed $1.6 million and hasn’t been paid for months.https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1562873331069513728
Time to pull the plug and then sue.
Imagine going in to business with tRump and expecting to get paid. Some people are just so innocent.
Maybe some people want to use it as a write off ?
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I watched a news bit on youtube the other night. the lawyer was suggesting that trump has a heirarchy of people people he pays vs those he doesn’t. he had knocked back trump but not on the grounds that he wouldn’t get paid. He inferred that trump’s case was so large it would take all of his time and resources of his firm and leave them unable to get through any other work.
And it would only get worse, with a client like Trump. Who knows what other cans of worms will be discovered in the near future?
And after everything the establishment has thrown at him over the last 8 years or so he’s still free as a bird, playing golf every day and leading the life of riley and thumbing his nose at the media.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I watched a news bit on youtube the other night. the lawyer was suggesting that trump has a heirarchy of people people he pays vs those he doesn’t. he had knocked back trump but not on the grounds that he wouldn’t get paid. He inferred that trump’s case was so large it would take all of his time and resources of his firm and leave them unable to get through any other work.
And it would only get worse, with a client like Trump. Who knows what other cans of worms will be discovered in the near future?
And after everything the establishment has thrown at him over the last 8 years or so he’s still free as a bird, playing golf every day and leading the life of riley and thumbing his nose at the media.
I mean if this is the case then obviously he’s not done anything wrong, or untoward… Vive la Donald
Tau.Neutrino said:
is it irony, don’t they tell us that bullying for example is a pattern that perpetuates itself, the bullied become bullies, the circle of life
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
is it irony, don’t they tell us that bullying for example is a pattern that perpetuates itself, the bullied become bullies, the circle of life
They should be proud that a person from another land has so thoroughly absorbed US culture.
well,
United States President Joe Biden has called on voters to “save democracy” and drawn comparisons between Republican ideology and “semi-fascism” as he rallies ahead of the midterm elections in Maryland.
he’s wrong
captain_spalding said:
Jewish Space Lasers FTW.
captain_spalding said:
What does she believe in?
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
What does she believe in?
School shooting “false flags”
9/11 denial
Obama being a Muslim
Jewish lasers from space,
The “Clinton Kill List”
That the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting that killed 58 concert-goers in Las Vegas was a government-orchestrated plan to strip away Second Amendment rights.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
What does she believe in?
School shooting “false flags”
9/11 denial
Obama being a Muslim
Jewish lasers from space,
The “Clinton Kill List”
That the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting that killed 58 concert-goers in Las Vegas was a government-orchestrated plan to strip away Second Amendment rights.
Ok, she believes in a few things.
:)
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ok, she believes in a few things.:)
I belive in a few things, too. I believe I’ll have another beer.
btm said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ok, she believes in a few things.:)
I belive in a few things, too. I believe I’ll have another beer.
A tried and true defence: blame the bumbling peasants.
It was the moving company workers who accidentally delivered boxes containing secret documents (which they just happened to have in their presumably super-secure storage facility), and which just happened to have other papers belonging to Trump mixed in with them by coincidence and monumental (if typical) proletarian incompetence, to Mar-a-Lago.
captain_spalding said:
A tried and true defence: blame the bumbling peasants.It was the moving company workers who accidentally delivered boxes containing secret documents (which they just happened to have in their presumably super-secure storage facility), and which just happened to have other papers belonging to Trump mixed in with them by coincidence and monumental (if typical) proletarian incompetence, to Mar-a-Lago.
unknowingly
:)
Spiny Norman said:
:)
fair
Stupidest People in Congress Awards
Some familiar names.
fsm said:
Columbo would own Trump.
Supporters of Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr storm the Republican Palace in Baghdad. The Iraqi Army declares a total curfew in the capital beginning at 3:30 pm and the Iraqi government declares a nationwide curfew beginning at 7:00 pm. At least twelve people are killed and 270 others are injured in clashes between protesters and Iran-backed Popular Mobilization Forces in the Green Zone.
Supporters heard to remark “mujarad fiel tramb”
Lawrence: Sen. Graham Hits Rock Bottom With ‘Riots’ Threat Over Trump
MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell condemns Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s claim that if Donald Trump is indicted for the trove of classified documents he held at his Florida home, there would be “riots in the street.”Tau.Neutrino said:
Lawrence: Sen. Graham Hits Rock Bottom With ‘Riots’ Threat Over Trump MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell condemns Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s claim that if Donald Trump is indicted for the trove of classified documents he held at his Florida home, there would be “riots in the street.”
Roasted.
:)
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lawrence: Sen. Graham Hits Rock Bottom With ‘Riots’ Threat Over Trump MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell condemns Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s claim that if Donald Trump is indicted for the trove of classified documents he held at his Florida home, there would be “riots in the street.”
How many people have to turn up for it to be a “riot”?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lawrence: Sen. Graham Hits Rock Bottom With ‘Riots’ Threat Over Trump MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell condemns Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s claim that if Donald Trump is indicted for the trove of classified documents he held at his Florida home, there would be “riots in the street.”
it would get the process for what’s to come over and done with
regime change has finally come for america
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lawrence: Sen. Graham Hits Rock Bottom With ‘Riots’ Threat Over Trump MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell condemns Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s claim that if Donald Trump is indicted for the trove of classified documents he held at his Florida home, there would be “riots in the street.”How many people have to turn up for it to be a “riot”?
Or how many pussies have to turn up.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lawrence: Sen. Graham Hits Rock Bottom With ‘Riots’ Threat Over Trump MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell condemns Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s claim that if Donald Trump is indicted for the trove of classified documents he held at his Florida home, there would be “riots in the street.”How many people have to turn up for it to be a “riot”?
Eight boogaloos, four prouds, three old-time nazis and this critter.
Lawrence: Trump Is Living The Worst Post-Presidency Life Ever
MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains how the release of a redacted version of the affidavit that convinced a federal judge to sign off on a search warrant of Donald Trump’s Florida home is going to make tomorrow the worst day of Trump’s life, so far.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Lawrence: Trump Is Living The Worst Post-Presidency Life EverMSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains how the release of a redacted version of the affidavit that convinced a federal judge to sign off on a search warrant of Donald Trump’s Florida home is going to make tomorrow the worst day of Trump’s life, so far.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The federal magistrate judge who signed off on the warrant that allowed federal agents to search former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence once drew scrutiny for switching from his job as a federal prosecutor to working as a defense attorney on behalf of individuals connected to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/officials-confirm-death-of-jeffrey-epstein-mentor-hoffenberg/2022/08/26/a09def84-255c-11ed-a72f-1e7149072fbc_story.html
watch this
https://youtu.be/Gfxt9zKeNL4
i cladius
its the old BBC production
Public Service Agencies, Large And Small, Chilled By Violent Threats From Trump Supporters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP0E7PVfGmQ
wookiemeister said:
watch thishttps://youtu.be/Gfxt9zKeNL4
i cladius
its the old BBC production
the whole point of republican rome was to blunt the excesses of power.
republican rome wasn’t a democracy, it didn’t worry about the fringes of society
from 510 to lets say the last century BC it was a class struggle between the elite/ middle class and plebs
sarahs mum said:
Public Service Agencies, Large And Small, Chilled By Violent Threats From Trump Supporters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP0E7PVfGmQ
go and watch i cladius instead
you see that the was the whole point of “the republic” plato after watching his mentor and athenian republic fall realised that a governing class can only be comprised of individuals that had no wealth to speak of and had integrity – they were the guard dogs of the republic – you didn’t just get to become a guardian of the republic because a drunk, naked man bleeding from the head walked into a voting booth. you were evaluated over a lifetime until you were deemed fit for public office. plato goes on to found the worlds first university as a we know it to create the politicians that athens would need (too little too late – athens never recovered in the true sense)
wookiemeister said:
you see that the was the whole point of “the republic” plato after watching his mentor and athenian republic fall realised that a governing class can only be comprised of individuals that had no wealth to speak of and had integrity – they were the guard dogs of the republic – you didn’t just get to become a guardian of the republic because a drunk, naked man bleeding from the head walked into a voting booth. you were evaluated over a lifetime until you were deemed fit for public office. plato goes on to found the worlds first university as a we know it to create the politicians that athens would need (too little too late – athens never recovered in the true sense)
Plato was a fuckwit. Apart from inventing the plate he achieved and contributed nothing much for humanity.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
you see that the was the whole point of “the republic” plato after watching his mentor and athenian republic fall realised that a governing class can only be comprised of individuals that had no wealth to speak of and had integrity – they were the guard dogs of the republic – you didn’t just get to become a guardian of the republic because a drunk, naked man bleeding from the head walked into a voting booth. you were evaluated over a lifetime until you were deemed fit for public office. plato goes on to found the worlds first university as a we know it to create the politicians that athens would need (too little too late – athens never recovered in the true sense)
Plato was a fuckwit. Apart from inventing the plate he achieved and contributed nothing much for humanity.
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
you see that the was the whole point of “the republic” plato after watching his mentor and athenian republic fall realised that a governing class can only be comprised of individuals that had no wealth to speak of and had integrity – they were the guard dogs of the republic – you didn’t just get to become a guardian of the republic because a drunk, naked man bleeding from the head walked into a voting booth. you were evaluated over a lifetime until you were deemed fit for public office. plato goes on to found the worlds first university as a we know it to create the politicians that athens would need (too little too late – athens never recovered in the true sense)
Plato was a fuckwit. Apart from inventing the plate he achieved and contributed nothing much for humanity.
i would expect nothing less from you
I still believe in democracy.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Plato was a fuckwit. Apart from inventing the plate he achieved and contributed nothing much for humanity.
i would expect nothing less from you
I still believe in democracy.
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:i would expect nothing less from you
I still believe in democracy.
believe in what you need to believe in
I don’t think a Plato style republic would work in an era of rapid technological progress. It would be a reactionary backwater and would get rolled by stronger powers. Think China getting rolled by European colonial powers in the last couple of centuries.
Trump Will Be Indicted: DOJ Vet Says Donald Can’t Escape After Stealing, Lying And Stonewalling
Trump blasts the DOJ and FBI after the redacted home search affidavit is unsealed. DOJ veteran Neal Katyal joins MSNBC’s Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber on the investigation and Trump’s legal peril. Katyal says the “events of the last three weeks demonstrate the risk of not bringing prosecution” adding “Federal criminal indictment is very, very hard for Donald Trump to avoid.” Katyal says the affidavit “paints a damning picture of Former President Trump,” who appears to be “thumbing his nose at the DOJ.”
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:I still believe in democracy.
believe in what you need to believe inI don’t think a Plato style republic would work in an era of rapid technological progress. It would be a reactionary backwater and would get rolled by stronger powers. Think China getting rolled by European colonial powers in the last couple of centuries.
the essential idea of putting responsible people in power is number one – we don’t have that , we’d have more luck building a CPU than building any responsible man to take the reins.
Things have continued to incrementally improve for Democrats in the polling, with their lead in the average generic congressional ballot polls now 0.8%. Biden’s approval numbers are still pretty bad but continuing to head in the right direction. Trump’s approval is back down in the 30s again.
Trump’s social media app facing financial falloutTruth Social’s finances may be in significant disarray, sources say
https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/trump-social-media-app-facing-financial-fallout
Former President Donald Trump’s social media outfit, Truth Social, is locked in a bitter battle with one of its vendors claiming that the platform is stiffing the company out of more than $1 million in contractually obligated payments, FOX Business has learned.
If the allegations are true, they would suggest that Truth Social’s finances are in significant disarray, people with direct knowledge of the matter say. Internet infrastructure company RightForge is said to be among Truth Social’s largest vendors and creditors, these people say.
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Shock
dv said:
Trump’s social media app facing financial falloutTruth Social’s finances may be in significant disarray, sources sayhttps://www.foxbusiness.com/features/trump-social-media-app-facing-financial-fallout
Former President Donald Trump’s social media outfit, Truth Social, is locked in a bitter battle with one of its vendors claiming that the platform is stiffing the company out of more than $1 million in contractually obligated payments, FOX Business has learned.
If the allegations are true, they would suggest that Truth Social’s finances are in significant disarray, people with direct knowledge of the matter say. Internet infrastructure company RightForge is said to be among Truth Social’s largest vendors and creditors, these people say.
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Shock
“Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy”
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Trump’s social media app facing financial falloutTruth Social’s finances may be in significant disarray, sources sayhttps://www.foxbusiness.com/features/trump-social-media-app-facing-financial-fallout
Former President Donald Trump’s social media outfit, Truth Social, is locked in a bitter battle with one of its vendors claiming that the platform is stiffing the company out of more than $1 million in contractually obligated payments, FOX Business has learned.
If the allegations are true, they would suggest that Truth Social’s finances are in significant disarray, people with direct knowledge of the matter say. Internet infrastructure company RightForge is said to be among Truth Social’s largest vendors and creditors, these people say.
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Shock
“Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy”
Heh
dv said:
I’ll have a think about that one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll have a think about that one.
The message is “I did it the hard way, so everyone else should have to.”
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll have a think about that one.
The message is “I did it the hard way, so everyone else should have to.”
Aye. It’s in relation to Biden’s plan to forgive 10k in student loans for people on low incomes. There have been some memes about the reactions.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ll have a think about that one.
The message is “I did it the hard way, so everyone else should have to.”
Aye. It’s in relation to Biden’s plan to forgive 10k in student loans for people on low incomes. There have been some memes about the reactions.
yeah but the USSA are well known for their senses of fairness and equity and justice
>>Republicans were at first highly critical of the FBI search of Mr Trump’s estate but, as new details emerged about the documents, they grew notably silent.
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell declined to respond on Wednesday when asked about the latest developments in the Justice Department’s probe.
“I don’t have any observations about that,” he said.
The investigation is posing a new test of loyalty to Mr Trump from those who are relying on him for their political livelihoods.<<
Democrat Mary Peltola has beaten Sarah Palin in Alaska’s special congressional election.
The special election (which we would call a by election) was necessitated by the death of the incumbent Don Young.
This is the first time a Democrat has won this seat since 1972. Mary Peltola is the first indigenous Alaskan ever elected to US Congress.
The result represents a 12% swing to the Democrats in this seat. It would probably be a mistake to read too much into it as Don Young was a broadly popular representative whereas Palin is a somewhat divisive figure.
dv said:
Democrat Mary Peltola has beaten Sarah Palin in Alaska’s special congressional election.The special election (which we would call a by election) was necessitated by the death of the incumbent Don Young.
This is the first time a Democrat has won this seat since 1972. Mary Peltola is the first indigenous Alaskan ever elected to US Congress.
The result represents a 12% swing to the Democrats in this seat. It would probably be a mistake to read too much into it as Don Young was a broadly popular representative whereas Palin is a somewhat divisive figure.
The sooner she leaves politics the better
nice
There were also 90 empty folders, 48 of which were marked ‘classified’, while others indicated that they should be returned to staff secretary/military aide. It is not clear why the folders were empty, or whether any records could be missing.
Good luck with that¡
SCIENCE said:
nice
There were also 90 empty folders, 48 of which were marked ‘classified’, while others indicated that they should be returned to staff secretary/military aide. It is not clear why the folders were empty, or whether any records could be missing.
Good luck with that¡
They need to raid Putin’s house, and the Saudi palace to get the rest.
Heather Cox Richardson
52 mins ·
September 2, 2022 (Friday)
Just a week ago, a judge ordered the release of the affidavit on which the FBI applied for a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. That document revealed that Trump had taken highly classified documents from the government and held them in insecure locations. That document was horrifying, but it referred only to documents the government had already recovered, not the ones for which it would go on to search for on August 8.
Today the unsealing of a court filing revealed that the August 8 search turned up more than 11,000 documents or photographs that were not classified, 31 documents marked CONFIDENTIAL, 54 marked SECRET, and 18 marked TOP SECRET. In addition, agents found 48 empty folders marked CLASSIFIED, and 42 empty folders marked to be returned to a military aide. Those documents were not filed with the envelopes.
This story is unprecedented and explosive. As Sue Gordon, who was principal deputy director of national intelligence from 2017 to 2019, told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace yesterday, in addition to the potential for exposing national secrets, the exposure of the networks and techniques that were in those documents could unravel intelligence networks that took decades to build.
The implications for the destruction of our national security at Trump’s hands are enormous.
And yet, after President Joe Biden’s speech last night saying that “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic,” Republicans have rushed to attack Biden as divisive, hateful, or disparaging of half the country, claiming far more support than they have. Biden offered them an off-ramp from this profound scandal, inviting them to stand on the side of defending democracy, and they refused it.
They have tied themselves to what looks like it is on the way to becoming the biggest attack on our national security in our history, but it is not clear to me that even remaining Republican voters will be okay with the compromise of our national security. National security used to be very important to Republicans.
Trump’s attorney general Bill Barr seemed today to be trying to get whatever is left of the Republican establishment to abandon the former president. He told two different Fox News Channel programs: “I…think for them to have taken things to the current point, they probably have pretty good evidence…. I think the driver on this from the beginning was…loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club.”
“I can’t think of a legitimate reason why they…could be taken…away from the government if they’re classified.” He added that he was “skeptical” that Trump had declassified the documents. “I think it’s highly improbable, …if in fact he sort of stood over scores of boxes, not really knowing what was in them, and said ‘I hereby declassify everything in here,’ that would be such an abuse and…shows such recklessness it’s almost worse than taking the documents.”
Among all the Republican backlash over Biden’s speech, today, veteran CNN White House reporter John Harwood said:
“The core point he made in that political speech about a threat to democracy is true.
“Now, that’s something that’s not easy for us, as journalists, to say. We’re brought up to believe there’s two different political parties with different points of view and we don’t take sides in honest disagreements between them. But that’s not what we’re talking about. These are not honest disagreements. The Republican Party right now is led by a dishonest demagogue.
“Many, many Republicans are rallying behind his lies about the 2020 election and other things as well. And a significant portion—or a sufficient portion—of the constituency that they’re leading attacked the Capitol on January 6th. Violently.
“By offering pardons or suggesting pardons for those people who violently attacked the Capitol, which you’ve been pointing out numerous times this morning, Donald Trump made Joe Biden’s point for him.”
Shortly afterward, Harwood announced he was no longer with CNN.
A source told Dan Froomkin of Press Watch that Harwood had been told last month he was being let go, despite his long-term contract, and that he used his last broadcast to send a message.
simple but serious and significant question, how low can the fraction of people in a society who are grounded in verifiable reality be, before it all comes crashing down
clearly it’s less than 0.5 and some cultlike societies including cults would suggest it’s closer to 1/N where N is the size of the society
SCIENCE said:
simple but serious and significant question, how low can the fraction of people in a society who are grounded in verifiable reality be, before it all comes crashing down
clearly it’s less than 0.5 and some cultlike societies including cults would suggest it’s closer to 1/N where N is the size of the society
Surely the history of numerous civilisations would suggest that the fraction is exactly zero.
Boot him out…Unfit for office.
Boot Her Out too, she should have applied her stupid propaganda to herself, it would be the truth then.
Lock this one up, now its Steve Bannon inciting violence.
Steve Bannon threatens Biden and family after president defended democracy
President Biden’s speech Thursday night defending democracy really hit a nerve with former Trump strategist (and Trump-pardoned) Steve Bannon, who responded with angry threats to the president and his family.
“We are going to bring it big and hard and loud on 8 November,” the MAGA cheerleader said today to Biden in hopes of a GQP takeover after the midterm elections. “And then we’re going to investigate your entire family, everything you’ve done in your administration … your perverted son … and we’re going to move to impeach you. We will impeach you, and we are going to remove you from office.”
“The battle lines are drawn,” the War Room host went on, continuing to push his battle cry, reminiscent of the time he and Matt Gaetz planned a Trumpist takeover using “4,000 shock troops.”
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What waste of space he is.
well you’ll all be writhing around in ictal ecstasy with this self-serving discovery but we’ll see
SCIENCE said:
well you’ll all be writhing around in ictal ecstasy with this self-serving discovery but we’ll see
maybe we will more Lindsay Graham’s can vent their violence.
because they cannot see themselves from a distance…
we can.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:well you’ll all be writhing around in ictal ecstasy with this self-serving discovery but we’ll see
maybe we will more Lindsay Graham’s can vent their violence.
because they cannot see themselves from a distance…
we can.
maybe we will see more Lindsay Graham’s venting their violence.
because they cannot see themselves from a distance…
we can.
I am finding impossible to understand why Trump is not behind bars. It was hard enough after the Jan 6 shit went down but nowadays it is like ‘what does he have to do?’
sarahs mum said:
I am finding impossible to understand why Trump is not behind bars. It was hard enough after the Jan 6 shit went down but nowadays it is like ‘what does he have to do?’
SCIENCE said:
well you’ll all be writhing around in ictal ecstasy with this self-serving discovery but we’ll see
Although the polling has improved for the Democrats, it’s better to consider polling averages rather than fixate on one poll. This one is something of an outlier. The Dems appear to be about 1% ahead on average.
Milpitas teachers are struggling to afford housing. The school district is asking parents to take them inEthan Varian
As communities across the Bay Area push to create affordable teacher housing, the Milpitas Unified School District is trying out a different approach: asking parents to take in teachers priced out by soaring Silicon Valley rents.
Last school year, the district said it lost at least seven teachers who struggled to afford the area. The average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Milpitas is now nearly $3,000 a month, a 15% spike since last September, according to rental listing site Zumper. That works out to roughly half the annual salary for early-career teachers in the district, who earned around $68,000 last year.
Since sending out its request online last week, the district said it has received 55 responses from families looking to rent out a room in their home.
https://www.siliconvalley.com/2022/09/02/milpitas-teachers-are-struggling-to-afford-housing-the-school-district-is-asking-parents-to-take-them-in/
dv said:
Milpitas teachers are struggling to afford housing. The school district is asking parents to take them inEthan VarianAs communities across the Bay Area push to create affordable teacher housing, the Milpitas Unified School District is trying out a different approach: asking parents to take in teachers priced out by soaring Silicon Valley rents.
Last school year, the district said it lost at least seven teachers who struggled to afford the area. The average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Milpitas is now nearly $3,000 a month, a 15% spike since last September, according to rental listing site Zumper. That works out to roughly half the annual salary for early-career teachers in the district, who earned around $68,000 last year.
Since sending out its request online last week, the district said it has received 55 responses from families looking to rent out a room in their home.
https://www.siliconvalley.com/2022/09/02/milpitas-teachers-are-struggling-to-afford-housing-the-school-district-is-asking-parents-to-take-them-in/
smart people price themselves out of an education?
dv said:
Milpitas teachers are struggling to afford housing. The school district is asking parents to take them inEthan VarianAs communities across the Bay Area push to create affordable teacher housing, the Milpitas Unified School District is trying out a different approach: asking parents to take in teachers priced out by soaring Silicon Valley rents.
Last school year, the district said it lost at least seven teachers who struggled to afford the area. The average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Milpitas is now nearly $3,000 a month, a 15% spike since last September, according to rental listing site Zumper. That works out to roughly half the annual salary for early-career teachers in the district, who earned around $68,000 last year.
Since sending out its request online last week, the district said it has received 55 responses from families looking to rent out a room in their home.
the future of homeschooling
while the garbage Trump cases are being flown around, it’s good to see legitimate plaintiffs bringing their suits to the courts of justice in the greatest country on earth
Nirvana has won the dismissal of a lawsuit by a man who claimed his depiction as a naked four-month-old baby on the cover of the band’s 1991 album Nevermind was child pornography.
He’s an enemy of the state. You want to know the truth. The enemy of the state is him
‘Trump Denounces President Joe Biden as “Enemy of the State” In First Rally After FBI Raid’
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/trump-denounces-president-joe-biden-as-enemy-of-the-state
On Biden: ‘ He’s an enemy of the state, if you want to know the truth. The enemy of the state is him and the group that controls him.
On John Fetterman, Pennsylvania lieutenant-governor: ‘Fetterman supports taxpayer-funded drug dens and the complete decriminalization of illegal drugs, including heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and ultra lethal fentanyl. And by the way, he takes them himself’
On Biden’s health: ‘He must be insane, or suffering from late stage dementia!’ (OK, he’s probably qualified to comment on that, but i think he’s wrong.)
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-repeats-praise-smart-putin-touts-xis-iron-fist-rule-china-1739713
Trump Repeats Praise of ‘Smart’ Putin, Touts Xi’s ‘Iron Fist’ Rule of China
Former President Donald Trump renewed praise for Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin during a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on Saturday.
“I got to know a lot of the foreign leaders and unlike our leader, they’re at the top of their game. These are like central casting. There’s nobody that could play the role in Hollywood—all of Hollywood, nobody could play the role of President Xi of China…He’s a fierce person,” the ex-president said.
“Putin, fierce—they’re smart. You know a lot of times I’ll say somebody’s smart and the fake news will go ‘He called President Xi smart.’ He rules with an iron fist 1.5 billion people, yeah I’d say he’s smart,” Trump then added.
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-repeats-praise-smart-putin-touts-xis-iron-fist-rule-china-1739713Trump Repeats Praise of ‘Smart’ Putin, Touts Xi’s ‘Iron Fist’ Rule of China
Former President Donald Trump renewed praise for Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin during a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on Saturday.
“I got to know a lot of the foreign leaders and unlike our leader, they’re at the top of their game. These are like central casting. There’s nobody that could play the role in Hollywood—all of Hollywood, nobody could play the role of President Xi of China…He’s a fierce person,” the ex-president said.
“Putin, fierce—they’re smart. You know a lot of times I’ll say somebody’s smart and the fake news will go ‘He called President Xi smart.’ He rules with an iron fist 1.5 billion people, yeah I’d say he’s smart,” Trump then added.
What about this man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Cummings
dv said:
“Putin, fierce—they’re smart. You know a lot of times I’ll say somebody’s smart and the fake news will go ‘He called President Xi smart.’ He rules with an iron fist 1.5 billion people, yeah I’d say he’s smart,” Trump then added.
How long can he hold himself back from public admiration of Adolf Hitler?
Trump, et al. are all Political Trolls.
We have our political Trolls, they have theirs in greater numbers.
Clive Palmer
Craig Kelly
Pauline Hanson
….
USA Political Trolls
Trump
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Lauren Boebert
Rudy Giuliani
Lindsey Graham
….
Here is Taylor Greene saying Trump won the election.
Greene: President Trump won the 2020 election
Unfit for Office
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
“Putin, fierce—they’re smart. You know a lot of times I’ll say somebody’s smart and the fake news will go ‘He called President Xi smart.’ He rules with an iron fist 1.5 billion people, yeah I’d say he’s smart,” Trump then added.
How long can he hold himself back from public admiration of Adolf Hitler?
look we don’t like at least some of them but we’ll give them that, they were / are pretty smart
Tau.Neutrino said:
Interesting
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
“Putin, fierce—they’re smart. You know a lot of times I’ll say somebody’s smart and the fake news will go ‘He called President Xi smart.’ He rules with an iron fist 1.5 billion people, yeah I’d say he’s smart,” Trump then added.
How long can he hold himself back from public admiration of Adolf Hitler?
look we don’t like at least some of them but we’ll give them that, they were / are pretty smart
So you’ve seen Putin’s decision-making over the past year or so and still think he’s “smart”?
As for Hitler, his Thousand Year Reich lasted 12 years before he shot himself in the head after fucking everything up, aged 56.
Smart? Not in my book :)
Bubblecar said:
As for Hitler, his Thousand Year Reich lasted 12 years before he shot himself in the head after fucking everything up, aged 56.Smart? Not in my book :)
It’s Trump’s book we’re talking about, not yours.
Any day now, he’ll start squawking about there was a lot of ‘fake news’ about poor ol’ Adolf.
dv said:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-repeats-praise-smart-putin-touts-xis-iron-fist-rule-china-1739713Trump Repeats Praise of ‘Smart’ Putin, Touts Xi’s ‘Iron Fist’ Rule of China
Former President Donald Trump renewed praise for Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin during a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, on Saturday.
“I got to know a lot of the foreign leaders and unlike our leader, they’re at the top of their game. These are like central casting. There’s nobody that could play the role in Hollywood—all of Hollywood, nobody could play the role of President Xi of China…He’s a fierce person,” the ex-president said.
“Putin, fierce—they’re smart. You know a lot of times I’ll say somebody’s smart and the fake news will go ‘He called President Xi smart.’ He rules with an iron fist 1.5 billion people, yeah I’d say he’s smart,” Trump then added.
Property price crash, a banking crisis, ever-expanding government debt without the wherewithal to implement a working income tax system to pay for it… If Xi gets in for another 5 years I’d say it means something but I don’t know if i’d call it smarts…
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
How long can he hold himself back from public admiration of Adolf Hitler?
look we don’t like at least some of them but we’ll give them that, they were / are pretty smart
So you’ve seen Putin’s decision-making over the past year or so and still think he’s “smart”?
smart people can make mistakes, we didn’t say any of them were monotheistic god
Psychos like Putin and Hitler have one distinctive advantage – they have no principles or ethical scruples, which means they often have the edge over less ruthless rivals.
But being ruthless isn’t being “smart”. Putin is destroying his country while leaving himself no safe personal exit strategy.
Bubblecar said:
Psychos like Putin and Hitler have one distinctive advantage – they have no principles or ethical scruples, which means they often have the edge over less ruthless rivals.But being ruthless isn’t being “smart”. Putin is destroying his country while leaving himself no safe personal exit strategy.
I wonder if Putin is calling the shots in regards to military strategy like Hitler did and being not very good at it causing battles to be lost.
Bubblecar said:
Psychos like Putin and Hitler have one distinctive advantage – they have no principles or ethical scruples, which means they often have the edge over less ruthless rivals.
But being ruthless isn’t being “smart”. Putin is destroying his country while leaving himself no safe personal exit strategy.
but do you agree that they have done better than their equally ruthless but less smart rivals
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Psychos like Putin and Hitler have one distinctive advantage – they have no principles or ethical scruples, which means they often have the edge over less ruthless rivals.
But being ruthless isn’t being “smart”. Putin is destroying his country while leaving himself no safe personal exit strategy.
but do you agree that they have done better than their equally ruthless but less smart rivals
How are you judging “done better”? I don’t think Putin’s done anything worthwhile as Russian leader. The fact that he’s managed to remain leader is a tragedy.
I will grant you he’s certainly “smarter” than Trump, who tried to undermine democracy and failed.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Psychos like Putin and Hitler have one distinctive advantage – they have no principles or ethical scruples, which means they often have the edge over less ruthless rivals.
But being ruthless isn’t being “smart”. Putin is destroying his country while leaving himself no safe personal exit strategy.
but do you agree that they have done better than their equally ruthless but less smart rivals
How are you judging “done better”? I don’t think Putin’s done anything worthwhile as Russian leader. The fact that he’s managed to remain leader is a tragedy.
I will grant you he’s certainly “smarter” than Trump, who tried to undermine democracy and failed.
assuming that someone is a self serving fuckwit, then having made it to the top position in some country and kept themselves there despite all the factors against it would seem to require some relatively high level of intelligence
note of course this kind of thing comes under social SCIENCE so even if the conclusion is valid it is not a guarantee
also, as mentioned, people can actually have the greater intelligence to get to the top and stay there for a while, yet still fuck it up later as is being suggested
our point isn’t just that hey look brilliant leaders, we claim it’s actually important because the less people just see these dickheads as “oh another idiot psychopath”, the more likely we are to be able to prevent them
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Psychos like Putin and Hitler have one distinctive advantage – they have no principles or ethical scruples, which means they often have the edge over less ruthless rivals.But being ruthless isn’t being “smart”. Putin is destroying his country while leaving himself no safe personal exit strategy.
I wonder if Putin is calling the shots in regards to military strategy like Hitler did and being not very good at it causing battles to be lost.
Very probably.
(CNN)A New Mexico judge on Tuesday removed January 6 rioter and Cowboys for Trump founder Couy Griffin from his elected position as a county commissioner for his role in the US Capitol attack.
The ruling was the result of a lawsuit seeking Griffin’s removal, which alleged that he violated a clause in 14th Amendment of the Constitution by participating in an “insurrection” against the US government. He had been convicted of trespassing earlier this year.
The historic ruling represents the first time an elected official has been removed from office for their participation or support of the US Capitol riot. It also marks the first time a judge h
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/06/politics/couy-griffin-new-mexico-january-6/index.html
ABC News:
‘Cancelled Jetstar flights ‘beyond a joke’ as international students arrive late to class
ABC Gold Coast
/ By Dominic Cansdale
A private educator says the flow-on effects of cancelled or delayed Jetstar flights are disrupting its ability to provide classes for international students.’
Even worse…
…all those 7-11s had to re-jig their rosters when the students didn’t arrive in time for their first shifts.
And that’s how you can be sure it’s me, and not an impostor.
Wrong thread.
captain_spalding said:
Someone needs to introduce a bill to respect human rights.
Newly obtained surveillance video shows fake Trump elector escorted operatives into Georgia county’s elections office before voting machine breach
A Republican county official in Georgia escorted two operatives working with an attorney for former President Donald Trump into the county’s election offices on the same day a voting system there was breached, newly obtained video shows.
The breach is now under investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and is of interest to the Fulton County District Attorney, who is conducting a wider criminal probe of interference in the 2020 election.
The video sheds more light on how an effort spearheaded by lawyers and others around Trump to seek evidence of voter fraud was executed on the ground from Georgia to Michigan to Colorado, often with the assistance of sympathetic local officials.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/06/politics/surveillance-video-voting-machine-breach-coffee-county-georgia/index.html
dv said:
(CNN)A New Mexico judge on Tuesday removed January 6 rioter and Cowboys for Trump founder Couy Griffin from his elected position as a county commissioner for his role in the US Capitol attack.
The ruling was the result of a lawsuit seeking Griffin’s removal, which alleged that he violated a clause in 14th Amendment of the Constitution by participating in an “insurrection” against the US government. He had been convicted of trespassing earlier this year.
The historic ruling represents the first time an elected official has been removed from office for their participation or support of the US Capitol riot. It also marks the first time a judge hhttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/06/politics/couy-griffin-new-mexico-january-6/index.html
That’s a paddling… ooops.. pardon.
WaPo: Docs About Foreign Nukes Seized From Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTbps7c51Y
sarahs mum said:
WaPo: Docs About Foreign Nukes Seized From Trump’s Mar-a-Lagohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTbps7c51Y
you’d think there would be a system in place so they would know how many and which folders wewre missing by an audit.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
WaPo: Docs About Foreign Nukes Seized From Trump’s Mar-a-Lagohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTbps7c51Y
you’d think there would be a system in place so they would know how many and which folders wewre missing by an audit.
ah but if there was redundancy then they’d be less secret hey
shock
Elected US officials, police chiefs, military personnel named on leaked Oath Keepers membership list
A new report has revealed the names of hundreds of US law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that is accused of playing a key role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-08/elected-officials-police-chiefs-on-leaked-oath-keepers-list/101416982
dv said:
shockElected US officials, police chiefs, military personnel named on leaked Oath Keepers membership list
A new report has revealed the names of hundreds of US law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that is accused of playing a key role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.
so less than a thousand then, good news
dv said:
shockElected US officials, police chiefs, military personnel named on leaked Oath Keepers membership list
A new report has revealed the names of hundreds of US law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that is accused of playing a key role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-08/elected-officials-police-chiefs-on-leaked-oath-keepers-list/101416982
Beau.
Let’s talk about 370 cops, 100 active duty, and 80 politicians….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwp-TeJOPSI
dv said:
shockElected US officials, police chiefs, military personnel named on leaked Oath Keepers membership list
A new report has revealed the names of hundreds of US law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that is accused of playing a key role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-08/elected-officials-police-chiefs-on-leaked-oath-keepers-list/101416982
The mindset of the USA really makes you wonder how they didn’t become a fundamentalist religious capitalist exploitative nation
Cymek said:
dv said:
shockElected US officials, police chiefs, military personnel named on leaked Oath Keepers membership list
A new report has revealed the names of hundreds of US law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that is accused of playing a key role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-08/elected-officials-police-chiefs-on-leaked-oath-keepers-list/101416982
The mindset of the USA really makes you wonder how they didn’t become a fundamentalist religious capitalist exploitative nation
heh
dv said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
shock
Elected US officials, police chiefs, military personnel named on leaked Oath Keepers membership list
A new report has revealed the names of hundreds of US law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that is accused of playing a key role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-08/elected-officials-police-chiefs-on-leaked-oath-keepers-list/101416982
The mindset of the USA really makes you wonder how they didn’t become a fundamentalist religious capitalist exploitative nation
heh
^ we like your cynarcasm
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How did Bolt manage that?
next level i’n‘it, Hanson and Bolt both correct on the same day, what next, Putin cedes Rostov to Ukraine or something
It’s that same shit Trump does. You blame your enemy for doing stuff that you are actually doing.
whatever that is called.
Lock Her Up
Kwasi Kwarteng is bold, brainy and weird
Meet Britain’s new chancellor of the exchequer. He’s rather odd
Sep 7th 2022
A maiden speech in the House of Commons is a moment for platitudes about predecessors and idle trivia about the local constituency. In the summer of 2010, Kwasi Kwarteng, a young Conservative mp, used his as a chance to attack.
Addressing Labour mps across the chamber, Mr Kwarteng blamed them for the state of Britain’s finances, which had been blown apart by the financial crisis of 2007-09. “They have not once accepted any blame for what happened and they seem to think that we can just sail on as before,” said Mr Kwarteng, who was 35 at the time. Skip forward 12 years and Mr Kwarteng is Britain’s chancellor, overseeing finances again scarred by crises. The first job for this one-time fiscal hawk will be to spend tens of billions of pounds guaranteeing energy prices for households and firms.
Such peculiarities abound when it comes to Mr Kwarteng. The new chancellor is a small-state Conservative who is keen on business intervention, an unorthodox figure who comes from the most Tory background possible. He is a man who was tipped for a quick rise but spent his first decade in politics on the sidelines; he is deeply intelligent yet even friends admit he can be air-headed. Mr Kwarteng may be the most intellectually gifted chancellor since Gordon Brown. He is certainly the oddest.
The first half of his life was textbook Tory. Educated at Eton and Cambridge, he landed a job as a columnist at the Daily Telegraph, writing on subjects such as the Russian revolution and the number of nipples in fhm, a lads’ mag. (“When taste and vulgarity clash, vulgarity will always win,” wrote Mr Kwarteng.) After a phd in financial history at Cambridge, he went to work in the City before winning a safe seat just outside London. The fact his parents hailed from Ghana is the only unusual part of an otherwise orthodox Tory background. Even that now feels unexceptional. Mr Kwarteng is the first black chancellor, but he is the fourth ethnic-minority chancellor in a row. When it comes to race and the Tories, the glass ceiling has been smashed. The class ceiling still remains.
Mr Kwarteng stands out in other ways. Partly that is physical: he is six feet and five inches (1.96 metres) tall and incapable of speaking at any volume other than booming. In a parliament of philistines, Mr Kwarteng is well-read and well-rounded. Rather than hang out in Westminster’s tea rooms, he used to sneak off to the National Archives to research well-received books on traffic, Margaret Thatcher and imperialism. “Ghosts of Empire”, Mr Kwarteng’s history of the British Empire, professes to stay above the moral fray on whether the empire was good or bad. But he damns it anyway by chronicling the sadistic, sociopathic and often surreal actions of those who built it. A faction of Conservative mps are noisily uncomfortable with such histories. Yet a man who wrote one now sits in 11 Downing Street.
Most mps are careerist to the point of cravenness. Mr Kwarteng’s path was more meandering. It took seven years for him to go from backbench mp to parliamentary private secretary, the lowest possible rung on the ministerial ladder, in 2017. Even then he did not take that job particularly seriously. Mr Kwarteng spent his first few years as an mp calling for faster cuts to the budget and slagging off the government’s flagship scheme for first-time homebuyers. For comparison, in seven years Rishi Sunak was elected, became a junior minister, joined the cabinet, became chancellor, brought down a prime minister, almost replaced him and now mulls the prospect of political retirement at the age of 42.
Few doubt Mr Kwarteng’s intellect but friends, colleagues and officials paint a peculiar picture of him. He seems to enjoy a debilitating form of braininess, swinging between genius and idiocy. “He’s usually got an attention span of four seconds,” says one former cabinet minister. “He has a very unusual intelligence,” says another. “You can come away from a conversation thinking he has not understood; at other times he is incredibly incisive.” He is the real-life incarnation of the Far Side cartoon by Gary Larson, in which a child pushes on a door marked “pull” in front of a sign reading “Midvale School For The Gifted”.
When Mr Kwarteng did eventually become a secretary of state at the business department in 2021, colleagues were surprised at his enthusiasm for economic intervention. Some put that down to cynicism. Boris Johnson, the prime minister, was a big-state Conservative who required a big-state business secretary. Yet Mr Kwarteng is less of a free-marketer than his reputation suggests, arguing that free trade is a myth that exists “only in the sense that a perfect circle, or a perfect line, exists”.
Whereas fellow Tory mps like to cite David Ricardo and Adam Smith (if not actually read them), Mr Kwarteng is happy to give them both a kicking. He hails Japan for kicking out American car manufacturers, arguing that protectionism is a fact of life. Unless the British government supports innovative industries—whether gigafactories or research into nuclear fusion—the country is stuffed. “This is economic reality, as opposed to the stuff you learn in the textbooks,” he wrote in a 2009 piece for ConservativeHome, a website for Tory keenos. Relentless pragmatism, in his favourite phrase, is his preferred strategy.
Can I shock you? I love deficits
And so the fiscal hawk has become a big spender. Just before he was appointed chancellor, Mr Kwarteng wrote a piece in the Financial Times, assuring markets that the government would, eventually, focus on reducing the country’s debt burden. But not just yet. Despite the claims of a young Mr Kwarteng, Britain was not driven into penury because Labour let the debt-to-gdp ratio rise to 40% in the good times. The state’s balance-sheet is there for crises, Mr Kwarteng now accepts. He will spend not because he wants to but because he must. The stakes are obvious. Get it wrong and the chancellor may yet end up the subject of a maiden speech by an ambitious young Labour mp after the next election.
https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/09/07/kwasi-kwarteng-is-bold-brainy-and-weird?
A federal judge in Texas ruled on Wednesday that a mandate requiring most health insurance companies to cover medicine that prevents HIV infection violates the religious freedom of certain businesses.
The ruling from U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor partially resolves a lawsuit brought by Braidwood Management Inc., a Christian for-profit corporation owned by Republican mega-donor Steven Hotze that employs about 70 people.
Hotze claimed that forcing his company to cover pre-exposure prophylaxis drugs, more commonly known as PrEP, under the Affordable Care Act would make the company “facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior.”
https://www.kut.org/politics/2022-09-07/texas-judge-rules-coverage-of-anti-hiv-medicine-violates-religious-freedom
What
dv said:
A federal judge in Texas ruled on Wednesday that a mandate requiring most health insurance companies to cover medicine that prevents HIV infection violates the religious freedom of certain businesses.
The ruling from U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor partially resolves a lawsuit brought by Braidwood Management Inc., a Christian for-profit corporation owned by Republican mega-donor Steven Hotze that employs about 70 people.
Hotze claimed that forcing his company to cover pre-exposure prophylaxis drugs, more commonly known as PrEP, under the Affordable Care Act would make the company “facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior.”
What
does perceived decreased cost of an activity lead to increase in the activity
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-adviser-steve-bannon-surrenders-authorities-charges-border/story?id=89481014
Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon pleads not guilty to defrauding border wall donors
Steve Bannon, a onetime political adviser to former President Donald Trump, pleaded not guilty in Manhattan criminal court Thursday to charges of defrauding donors to the “We Build the Wall” fundraising campaign for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.
The six-count indictment charges Bannon and “We Build the Wall” itself with two counts of money laundering, which carries a maximum sentence of five to 15 years in prison. There are additional felony counts of conspiracy and scheme to defraud along with one misdemeanor count of conspiracy to defraud.
Bannon was released following his arraignment and is scheduled to return to court on Oct. 4.
Only a bit US related
Member of Argentina’s ‘Kyle Rittenhouse Cultural Center’ arrested after celebrating a man who cocked a gun in the VP’s face: report
José Derman was arrested after praising a man who pointed a gun at Argentina’s VP’s face, reports say.
He was found to be a member of a “Kyle Rittenhouse Cultural Center” in La Plata, Argentina.
It’s unclear if the teen, who became a far-right hero after shooting at people at a 2020 BLM rally, has any links to the center.
https://www.businessinsider.com/argentina-kyle-rittenhouse-cultural-center-member-arrested-report-2022-9
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago-b2164918.html
Questions raised over 2021 footage of Trump taking boxes from Mar-a-Lago to Bedminster
dv said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago-b2164918.htmlQuestions raised over 2021 footage of Trump taking boxes from Mar-a-Lago to Bedminster
I watched the daily mail footage last night. i think it’s in the other thread.
The Justice Department is asking a federal judge in Florida to make Donald Trump foot the bill for the special master review of documents seized from Mar-A-Lago. However, Trump’s legal team is pushing for the government to cover half the cost of the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZtDaTbtBJY
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1122480037/biden-cancer-moonshot
Biden touts his ‘cancer moonshot’ on the anniversary of JFK’s ‘man on the moon’ speech
It’s been 60 years since President Kennedy delivered his iconic moonshot speech, marking a goal for America to launch a man into space to step foot on the moon, and bring him back to Earth.
On Monday, President Biden gave a speech at the Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston, outlining the progress on his own self-described moonshot: ending cancer.
“This cancer moonshot is one of the reasons why I ran for president,” Biden said. “Cancer does not discriminate red and blue. It doesn’t care if you’re a Republican or a Democrat. Beating cancer is something we can do together.”
Biden said cancer is often diagnosed too late, and said “there are too few ways to prevent it in the first place.” He also added that there are stark inequities in cancer diagnosis and treatment based on race, disability, zip code, sexual orientation and gender identity.
“We know too little about why treatments work for some patients, but a different patient with the same disease, it doesn’t work for. We still lack strategies in developing treatments for some cancers,” he said, adding “we don’t do enough to help patients and families navigate the cancer care system.”
dv said:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1122480037/biden-cancer-moonshotBiden touts his ‘cancer moonshot’ on the anniversary of JFK’s ‘man on the moon’ speech
It’s been 60 years since President Kennedy delivered his iconic moonshot speech, marking a goal for America to launch a man into space to step foot on the moon, and bring him back to Earth.
On Monday, President Biden gave a speech at the Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston, outlining the progress on his own self-described moonshot: ending cancer.
“This cancer moonshot is one of the reasons why I ran for president,” Biden said. “Cancer does not discriminate red and blue. It doesn’t care if you’re a Republican or a Democrat. Beating cancer is something we can do together.”
Biden said cancer is often diagnosed too late, and said “there are too few ways to prevent it in the first place.” He also added that there are stark inequities in cancer diagnosis and treatment based on race, disability, zip code, sexual orientation and gender identity.
“We know too little about why treatments work for some patients, but a different patient with the same disease, it doesn’t work for. We still lack strategies in developing treatments for some cancers,” he said, adding “we don’t do enough to help patients and families navigate the cancer care system.”
“You’ve got health insurance, right ?”
dv said:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1122480037/biden-cancer-moonshotBiden touts his ‘cancer moonshot’ on the anniversary of JFK’s ‘man on the moon’ speech
It’s been 60 years since President Kennedy delivered his iconic moonshot speech, marking a goal for America to launch a man into space to step foot on the moon, and bring him back to Earth.
On Monday, President Biden gave a speech at the Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston, outlining the progress on his own self-described moonshot: ending cancer.
“This cancer moonshot is one of the reasons why I ran for president,” Biden said. “Cancer does not discriminate red and blue. It doesn’t care if you’re a Republican or a Democrat. Beating cancer is something we can do together.”
Biden said cancer is often diagnosed too late, and said “there are too few ways to prevent it in the first place.” He also added that there are stark inequities in cancer diagnosis and treatment based on race, disability, zip code, sexual orientation and gender identity.
“We know too little about why treatments work for some patients, but a different patient with the same disease, it doesn’t work for. We still lack strategies in developing treatments for some cancers,” he said, adding “we don’t do enough to help patients and families navigate the cancer care system.”
Which type of cancer? There’s hundreds.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1122480037/biden-cancer-moonshotBiden touts his ‘cancer moonshot’ on the anniversary of JFK’s ‘man on the moon’ speech
It’s been 60 years since President Kennedy delivered his iconic moonshot speech, marking a goal for America to launch a man into space to step foot on the moon, and bring him back to Earth.
On Monday, President Biden gave a speech at the Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston, outlining the progress on his own self-described moonshot: ending cancer.
“This cancer moonshot is one of the reasons why I ran for president,” Biden said. “Cancer does not discriminate red and blue. It doesn’t care if you’re a Republican or a Democrat. Beating cancer is something we can do together.”
Biden said cancer is often diagnosed too late, and said “there are too few ways to prevent it in the first place.” He also added that there are stark inequities in cancer diagnosis and treatment based on race, disability, zip code, sexual orientation and gender identity.
“We know too little about why treatments work for some patients, but a different patient with the same disease, it doesn’t work for. We still lack strategies in developing treatments for some cancers,” he said, adding “we don’t do enough to help patients and families navigate the cancer care system.”
Which type of cancer? There’s hundreds.
all
dv said:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1122480037/biden-cancer-moonshotBiden touts his ‘cancer moonshot’ on the anniversary of JFK’s ‘man on the moon’ speech
It’s been 60 years since President Kennedy delivered his iconic moonshot speech, marking a goal for America to launch a man into space to step foot on the moon, and bring him back to Earth.
On Monday, President Biden gave a speech at the Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston, outlining the progress on his own self-described moonshot: ending cancer.
“This cancer moonshot is one of the reasons why I ran for president,” Biden said. “Cancer does not discriminate red and blue. It doesn’t care if you’re a Republican or a Democrat. Beating cancer is something we can do together.”
Biden said cancer is often diagnosed too late, and said “there are too few ways to prevent it in the first place.” He also added that there are stark inequities in cancer diagnosis and treatment based on race, disability, zip code, sexual orientation and gender identity.
“We know too little about why treatments work for some patients, but a different patient with the same disease, it doesn’t work for. We still lack strategies in developing treatments for some cancers,” he said, adding “we don’t do enough to help patients and families navigate the cancer care system.”
Reminds me of an episode of The West Wing.
Republican Lindsey Graham proposes nationwide 15-week abortion ban
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/13/republican-national-abortion-ban-lindsey-graham
sibeen said:
Republican Lindsey Graham proposes nationwide 15-week abortion banhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/13/republican-national-abortion-ban-lindsey-graham
Interestingly while abortion restrictions are popular with hard core republicans they appear far less popular with woman (in general), fiscal conservatives and most everyone else… It could be that pushing this barrow could fundamentally hurt the GPO’s prospects in the mid terms.
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
Republican Lindsey Graham proposes nationwide 15-week abortion banhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/13/republican-national-abortion-ban-lindsey-graham
Interestingly while abortion restrictions are popular with hard core republicans they appear far less popular with woman (in general), fiscal conservatives and most everyone else… It could be that pushing this barrow could fundamentally hurt the GPO’s prospects in the mid terms.
Which women would want a republican who incites violence telling them he wants to ban abortion.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
Republican Lindsey Graham proposes nationwide 15-week abortion ban
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/13/republican-national-abortion-ban-lindsey-graham
Interestingly while abortion restrictions are popular with hard core republicans they appear far less popular with woman (in general), fiscal conservatives and most everyone else… It could be that pushing this barrow could fundamentally hurt the GPO’s prospects in the mid terms.
Which women would want a republican who incites violence telling them he wants to ban abortion.
Treat Them Mean Keep Them Keen
captain_spalding said:
That’s how humans roll, some of us like telling everyone else what to do or believe
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Interestingly while abortion restrictions are popular with hard core republicans they appear far less popular with woman (in general), fiscal conservatives and most everyone else… It could be that pushing this barrow could fundamentally hurt the GPO’s prospects in the mid terms.
Which women would want a republican who incites violence telling them he wants to ban abortion.
Treat Them Mean Keep Them Keen
It’s fantastic that this is all about politics instead of a medical procedure.
I’m sure if its not already implemented health insurance can use some morality ground to refuse to pay for it
captain_spalding said:
He sounds Jewish already.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
He sounds Jewish already.
And he’s funny just like Max Bygraves.
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvania
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
captain_spalding said:
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvaniahttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvaniahttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
LOL
It sort of sums it up, doesn’t it?
captain_spalding said:
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvaniahttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
I remember when John (ex CIA) was alive we would play this game of trying to predict what would happen next. America has headed so far into surrealism and chaotic neutral.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvaniahttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
LOL
It sort of sums it up, doesn’t it?
You don’t even have to read the story.
captain_spalding said:
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvaniahttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
Yeah that just about checks out
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:Tau.Neutrino said:
Which women would want a republican who incites violence telling them he wants to ban abortion.
Treat Them Mean Keep Them Keen
It’s fantastic that this is all about politics instead of a medical procedure.
I’m sure if its not already implemented health insurance can use some morality ground to refuse to pay for it
There are cases now where GOP lawmakers (typically from state assemblies) have now realised that “no abortions” means that provision of what are mostly routine health services are now illegal and this creates a very real health risk to some woman.
To them an abortion is simply a procedure that happens when someone that is pregnant no longer want to be pregnant; they (and in fact I’d argue that a lot of people are the same) have a very limited understanding of how broadly applied and under what circumstances the procedure is actually used.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Armed man in clown wig hoping to ‘restore Trump as President king’ arrested at Dairy Queen in Pennsylvaniahttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-president-king-dairy-queen-pennsylvania-20220913-dqvebnf63zb53kydhuq5czdgri-story.html
LOL
I’m less convinced that circumstances that involve people with mental illness brandishing weapons in public places should be classified as “laugh-out-loud”
i watched a recent Doctor Mama Jones. two questions from Tiktok. Why don’t women withhold their eggs? And. Those cameras that you swallow that send feed as they go through your gut…why can’t they use those to look at vaginas?
I think I need more context? Withhold their eggs from what?
On the second question, vaginal endoscopy exists.
dv said:
I think I need more context? Withhold their eggs from what?On the second question, vaginal endoscopy exists.
Well ..if men can choose not to ejaculate…
dv said:
On the second question, vaginal endoscopy exists.
not orally.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I think I need more context? Withhold their eggs from what?On the second question, vaginal endoscopy exists.
Well ..if men can choose not to ejaculate…
I mean are you asking a medical question?
If one away takes religious reasons for being against abortion (and even that is dubious as if its about sanctity of life we certainly don’t act that way) what is left that is actually reasonable.
Perhaps a foetus is aborted that could grow up to be a person that does something to benefit the entire human race, but that borders on pre-destination, fate and some sort of universal plan.
Also one right is taken away but nothing is offered to help the women cope with a child they may not want
Oh I missed the context, these are questions from Tiktok, not from sm
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
I think I need more context? Withhold their eggs from what?On the second question, vaginal endoscopy exists.
Well ..if men can choose not to ejaculate…
I mean are you asking a medical question?
no. I was commenting on the capacity of these people to make decisions about other people’s bodies..
Cymek said:
If one away takes religious reasons for being against abortion (and even that is dubious as if its about sanctity of life we certainly don’t act that way) what is left that is actually reasonable.Perhaps a foetus is aborted that could grow up to be a person that does something to benefit the entire human race, but that borders on pre-destination, fate and some sort of universal plan.
Also one right is taken away but nothing is offered to help the women cope with a child they may not want
Many of the non-religious arguments against abortion focus on the moral aspects of the procedure and do this by equating abortion with murder. The idea is that the “right to life of the child” is more important than the “right of the woman to choose” to be pregnant, or not.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:Well ..if men can choose not to ejaculate…
I mean are you asking a medical question?
no. I was commenting on the capacity of these people to make decisions about other people’s bodies..
Perhaps if they said something like how about instead of abortion you think of adoption and/or we will support you with raising this child
They don’t though its just no sorry that’s not allowed now go away and have this child and don’t you dare expect any help
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I mean are you asking a medical question?
no. I was commenting on the capacity of these people to make decisions about other people’s bodies..
Perhaps if they said something like how about instead of abortion you think of adoption and/or we will support you with raising this child
They don’t though its just no sorry that’s not allowed now go away and have this child and don’t you dare expect any help
You have to remember that this is a political issue that was (about 40 years ago) specifically designed to create a wedge between republicans and democrats – it’s not a true moral crusade (although it’s often portrayed that way). What’s happening now is a little bit of the dog that caught the car in that how does the GOP use this as a wedge issue when it’s no longer a barrier that is out of their control. That is, if GOP controlled states what abortion restrictions, all they now need do is legislate them. The problem is that doing so is fundamentally unpopular.
Cymek said:
If one away takes religious reasons for being against abortion (and even that is dubious as if its about sanctity of life we certainly don’t act that way) what is left that is actually reasonable.Perhaps a foetus is aborted that could grow up to be a person that does something to benefit the entire human race, but that borders on pre-destination, fate and some sort of universal plan.
Also one right is taken away but nothing is offered to help the women cope with a child they may not want
more likely that due to the inadequacies and/or unskilled parenting of a person who is not willing to be a parent or is too young, the individual will grow up to a life of poverty or crime…
““There’s no prohibition in the Constitution for a convicted felon, even potentially one sitting in jail, from being president,” said former FBI counterintelligence agent and federal prosecutor Asha Rangappa.
Ms Rangappa, who is an assistant dean at Yale Law School, told the ABC News Daily podcast the requirements for becoming US president are minimal.
“You have to be 35 years old, you have to have been a natural-born citizen and lived in the United States for 14 years,” she said.
“Even if he’s indicted and even if he’s convicted, that actually doesn’t stop him from running for president again.”“
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Yikes!
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/the-legally-crazy-tactics-donald-trump-is-taking-to-avoid-charge/101420494
“Some charges could prevent Trump becoming president
While the obstruction of justice charge may be the most difficult for Mr Trump to defend, there’s another potential charge he may be more worried about — the illegal removal, concealment and mutilation of government documents.
This is one of two charges Ms Rangappa said has the potential to prevent Mr Trump running in the 2024 presidential race.
“Interestingly, that statute has as one of its penalties a prohibition from holding public office,” she said.
“We know from one of the Department of Justice’s filings that at least some of these government records were torn, for example, but they were definitely illegally removed from the White House and taken to Mar-a-Lago.”“
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Phew.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-14/the-legally-crazy-tactics-donald-trump-is-taking-to-avoid-charge/101420494
(Same reference.)
https://god.dailydot.com/qanon-man-killed-wife/
Lauren Boebert mocked for warning about ‘wonton killings’ in speech
Lawmaker was reading Bible passage from Romans and got phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling
Lauren Boebert has been mocked for warning of “wonton killings” during a reading of a Bible passage.
The GOP Representative was reading a passage from Romans that in The Message edition of the Bible refers to “wanton killing.”
But video of the event shows the lawmaker from Colorado getting the phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lauren-boebert-wonton-killings-speech-b2167545.html
I mean yes, it shows she is a moron beyond parody.
But also shows what a phony she is in that she’s presenting herself to a Christian audience but has clearly never read the passage before…not even once in preparation for the reading.
dv said:
Lauren Boebert mocked for warning about ‘wonton killings’ in speechLawmaker was reading Bible passage from Romans and got phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling
Lauren Boebert has been mocked for warning of “wonton killings” during a reading of a Bible passage.
The GOP Representative was reading a passage from Romans that in The Message edition of the Bible refers to “wanton killing.”
But video of the event shows the lawmaker from Colorado getting the phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lauren-boebert-wonton-killings-speech-b2167545.html
I mean yes, it shows she is a moron beyond parody.
But also shows what a phony she is in that she’s presenting herself to a Christian audience but has clearly never read the passage before…not even once in preparation for the reading.
Yep.
Lauren phony Boebert
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Lauren Boebert mocked for warning about ‘wonton killings’ in speechLawmaker was reading Bible passage from Romans and got phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling
Lauren Boebert has been mocked for warning of “wonton killings” during a reading of a Bible passage.
The GOP Representative was reading a passage from Romans that in The Message edition of the Bible refers to “wanton killing.”
But video of the event shows the lawmaker from Colorado getting the phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lauren-boebert-wonton-killings-speech-b2167545.html
I mean yes, it shows she is a moron beyond parody.
But also shows what a phony she is in that she’s presenting herself to a Christian audience but has clearly never read the passage before…not even once in preparation for the reading.
Yep.
Lauren phony Boebert
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt until she said, yes I’m really saying “wonton” here.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Lauren Boebert mocked for warning about ‘wonton killings’ in speechLawmaker was reading Bible passage from Romans and got phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling
Lauren Boebert has been mocked for warning of “wonton killings” during a reading of a Bible passage.
The GOP Representative was reading a passage from Romans that in The Message edition of the Bible refers to “wanton killing.”
But video of the event shows the lawmaker from Colorado getting the phrase mixed up with the Chinese dumpling.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lauren-boebert-wonton-killings-speech-b2167545.html
I mean yes, it shows she is a moron beyond parody.
But also shows what a phony she is in that she’s presenting herself to a Christian audience but has clearly never read the passage before…not even once in preparation for the reading.
Yep.
Lauren phony Boebert
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt until she said, yes I’m really saying “wonton” here.
Does she really weigh that much?
Speaking of beyond parody
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Yep.
Lauren phony Boebert
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt until she said, yes I’m really saying “wonton” here.
Does she really weigh that much?
‘One ton banana
I ate a one ton banana
One ton ba-na-na…’
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Yep.
Lauren phony Boebert
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt until she said, yes I’m really saying “wonton” here.
Does she really weigh that much?
If not more :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt until she said, yes I’m really saying “wonton” here.
Does she really weigh that much?
If not more :)
All the air in her head balances it out.
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
Praying that you are correct.
What odds are you paying?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
Praying that you are correct.
What odds are you paying?
There is no such thing as responsible gambling!
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
Praying that you are correct.
What odds are you paying?
There is no such thing as responsible gambling!
‘struth. :)
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Praying that you are correct.
What odds are you paying?
There is no such thing as responsible gambling!
‘struth. :)
You just have to see the tone of those ads to realise that plus logic tells you do anyway
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
It’s too early to call it. I think you’re about right in the Senate but the House is right on the bubble.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
It’s too early to call it. I think you’re about right in the Senate but the House is right on the bubble.
Trump is getting way too much publicity.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
It’s too early to call it. I think you’re about right in the Senate but the House is right on the bubble.
Trump is getting way too much publicity.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-15/pro-trump-candidate-wins-us-primary/101442548
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
It’s too early to call it. I think you’re about right in the Senate but the House is right on the bubble.
Trump is getting way too much publicity.
The imbecile is not worth that much publicity.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:It’s too early to call it. I think you’re about right in the Senate but the House is right on the bubble.
Trump is getting way too much publicity.
The imbecile is not worth that much publicity.
Secret Service “Show respect son, that imbecile could be the next president and our fall to the dark side will be complete”
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
FiveThirtyEight have the scenario at about a 1 in 10 chance (or less).
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
8 weeks out and I’m calling it: Democrats will tiptoe over the finish line with a 5 seat house majority and get 53 seats in the Senate.
FiveThirtyEight have the scenario at about a 1 in 10 chance (or less).
Pffftt… what would Nate Silver know? This isn’t baseball.
Trump Continues To Make Martyr Out Of Capitol Rioter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrBDzBjJ1k
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I don’t understand the glorification of the capitol riots.
sarahs mum said:
Trump Continues To Make Martyr Out Of Capitol Rioterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrBDzBjJ1k
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I don’t understand the glorification of the capitol riots.
If you foolishly believe the election was fraudulent then it makes perfect sense. Unfortunately conservative US politicians who should know better have chosen to ignore the facts for short-term and cowardly gain.
ChrispenEvan said:
Good grief.
but it’s true, guns don’t kill people, even good guys with guns don’t kill people, it’s mothers with drug dependency that kill people
SCIENCE said:
but it’s true, guns don’t kill people, even good guys with guns don’t kill people, it’s mothers with drug dependency that kill people
Jones said signs of fetal alcohol damage to a child include irritability, serious temper tantrums and significant behavioral problems. He said like Cruz, they are often diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, lack control at school and are aggressive toward their mothers and teachers. Earlier testimony has shown Cruz demonstrating all those issues. He also said such patients often have difficulty organizing and planning their activities.
Under cross-examination, however, prosecutors showed that Cruz spent months mapping out the massacre. Jones conceded during questioning by lead prosecutor Mike Satz that he was not aware that Cruz spent months researching other mass shootings, how long it takes police to respond to a school shooting, what kind of gun to use and how he could hide it while entering the school. Jones’ testimony followed neuropsychologist Paul Connor, who said Cruz through his life has shown indications on tests that he has alcohol-related mental issues.
Cruz’s public defenders are trying to convince at least one of the 12 jurors to vote for life — a death verdict must be unanimous.
I mean Kenneth Bianchi had a really nice upbringing by his adopted people but still turned out to be a serial killer … his mother was also alcoholic … FASD has massive and persistent symptoms, but yeah, most of the time it is a sequence of events that lead to shitty outcomes..
n a phone call with former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who maintained ties to the White House despite occasional criticism of Trump, Melania Trump sought help convincing her husband to take the pandemic more seriously.
“‘You’re blowing this,” she recalled telling her husband,” the authors write. “’This is serious. It’s going to be really bad, and you need to take it more seriously than you’re taking it.’ He had just dismissed her. ‘You worry too much,’ she remembered him saying. ‘Forget it.’ “
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/14/politics/donald-trump-book/index.html
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wish I’d remembered to think of that when I picked my parents.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/lauren-boebert-marjorie-taylor-greene-wonton-killings-gazpacho-police
dv said:
all that after he made america great again.
CNN —
The New York state attorney general filed a sweeping lawsuit Wednesday against former President Donald Trump, three of his adult children and the Trump Organization, alleging they were involved in an expansive fraud lasting over a decade that the former President used to enrich himself.
In the more than 200-page lawsuit, Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, alleges the fraud touched all aspects of the Trump business, including its properties and golf courses. According to the lawsuit, the Trump Organization deceived lenders, insurers and tax authorities by inflating the value of his properties using misleading appraisals.
Trump and his children, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump, are named as defendants in the lawsuit. Allen Weisselberg, former CFO for the Trump Organization, and Jeff McConney, another longtime company executive, are also named.
James said she believes state and criminal laws may have been violated and referred the matter to the US attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York and the Internal Revenue Service.
As part of the lawsuit, James is seeking $250 million in allegedly ill-gotten funds and to permanently bar Trump and the children named in the lawsuit from serving as the director of a business registered in New York state. She is also seeking to cancel the Trump Organization’s corporate certificate, which, if granted by a judge, could effectively force the company to cease operations in New York state.
AG alleges that Trump lied 200+ times about the value of his assets
James alleges that the former President and his company made “scores of fraudulent, false, and misleading representations” over a 10-year period, according to the lawsuit, which specifically highlighted what it called “200 false and misleading valuations” of Trump’s assets.
“The financial statements in question were issued annually; each contained a significant number of fraudulent, false, and misleading representations about a great many of the Trump Organization’s assets; and most played a role in particular transactions with financial institutions,” the lawsuit alleges.
“The number of grossly inflated asset values is staggering,” the suit adds.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/21/politics/trump-new-york-attorney-general-letitia-james-fraud-lawsuit/index.html
New footage confirms fake Trump elector spent hours inside Georgia elections office day it was breached
WashingtonCNN —
Newly obtained surveillance video shows for the first time what happened inside a Georgia county elections office the day its voting systems are known to have been breached on January 7, 2021.
A Republican county official in Georgia and operatives working with an attorney for former President Donald Trump spent hours inside a restricted area of the Coffee County elections office that day. Among those seen in the footage is Cathy Latham, a former GOP chairwoman of Coffee County who is under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elector in 2020.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/20/politics/surveillance-footage-coffee-county-georgia-fake-trump-elector/index.html
‘WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court overturned a prohibition against the Justice Department investigating classified documents seized at Donald Trump’s Florida estate, allowing Department of Justice officials to resume reviewing the records for possible criminal charges.’
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/21/doj-access-classified-documents-maralago/8077482001/
‘Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more…’
dv said:
CNN —
The New York state attorney general filed a sweeping lawsuit Wednesday against former President Donald Trump, three of his adult children and the Trump Organization, alleging they were involved in an expansive fraud lasting over a decade that the former President used to enrich himself.
In the more than 200-page lawsuit, Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, alleges the fraud touched all aspects of the Trump business, including its properties and golf courses. According to the lawsuit, the Trump Organization deceived lenders, insurers and tax authorities by inflating the value of his properties using misleading appraisals.
Trump and his children, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump, are named as defendants in the lawsuit. Allen Weisselberg, former CFO for the Trump Organization, and Jeff McConney, another longtime company executive, are also named.
James said she believes state and criminal laws may have been violated and referred the matter to the US attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York and the Internal Revenue Service.
As part of the lawsuit, James is seeking $250 million in allegedly ill-gotten funds and to permanently bar Trump and the children named in the lawsuit from serving as the director of a business registered in New York state. She is also seeking to cancel the Trump Organization’s corporate certificate, which, if granted by a judge, could effectively force the company to cease operations in New York state.
AG alleges that Trump lied 200+ times about the value of his assets
James alleges that the former President and his company made “scores of fraudulent, false, and misleading representations” over a 10-year period, according to the lawsuit, which specifically highlighted what it called “200 false and misleading valuations” of Trump’s assets.
“The financial statements in question were issued annually; each contained a significant number of fraudulent, false, and misleading representations about a great many of the Trump Organization’s assets; and most played a role in particular transactions with financial institutions,” the lawsuit alleges.
“The number of grossly inflated asset values is staggering,” the suit adds.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/21/politics/trump-new-york-attorney-general-letitia-james-fraud-lawsuit/index.html
he even inflated the square footage of his NY apartment. It seems that no apartment in NYC has ever sold at near what Trump says it worth.
Just how deep does the rabbit hole go, anyway?
‘Trump insists president can declassify ‘even by thinking about it,’ floats Hillary Clinton theory’
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/21/trump-insists-president-can-declassify-even-thinki/
captain_spalding said:
Just how deep does the rabbit hole go, anyway?‘Trump insists president can declassify ‘even by thinking about it,’ floats Hillary Clinton theory’
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/21/trump-insists-president-can-declassify-even-thinki/
Keep in mind that the ‘Washington Times’ is a RWNJ vanity project for the ‘Moonies’ church.
sarahs mum said:
All good!
:)
fsm said:
We can only hope. Broke and in jail would be even better.
Heather Cox Richardson
6 h ·
September 21, 2022 (Wednesday)
Russian president Vladimir Putin announced today that he is mobilizing the Russian population to fight Ukraine. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu put that number at 300,000 soldiers. At the same time, the legislature abruptly changed the laws to inflict harsh penalties on those who don’t report to military duty, who surrender, or who refuse to fight. Reports suggest that 20–40% of the soldiers from some units have quit.
The cost of airline tickets out of Russia immediately skyrocketed.
Having called for the territories Russia claims to hold referenda on annexation to Russia, and clearly expecting that those votes will call for annexation, Putin also said that “Russia will use all the instruments at its disposal to counter a threat against its territorial integrity—this is not a bluff.” He is arguing that he will consider any Ukrainian attempt to retake its own territory as an attack on Russia and has told his people that the West is responsible for the Ukrainian resistance to Russian conquest. He is threatening to use nuclear weapons to conquer Ukraine, in what seems an admission that Russia is on the ropes.
Putin began his attack on Ukraine in late February with the expectation it would be short and decisive. More than six months later, the Russian economy is in tatters, the armies are collapsing, and the future of Putin’s administration is uncertain.
President Joe Biden responded in a speech before the United Nations General Assembly in New York. He reminded his audience that the Ukraine crisis was “a brutal, needless war—a war chosen by one man…. This world should see these outrageous acts for what they are. Putin claims he had to act because Russia was threatened. But no one threatened Russia, and no one other than Russia sought conflict.”
Biden urged the world to stand firm against Russia’s aggression and reiterated that “the United States is opening an era of relentless diplomacy to address the challenges that matter most to people’s lives—all people’s lives: tackling the climate crisis… strengthening global health security; feeding the world.”
It is no secret, Biden said, “that in the contest between democracy and autocracy, the United States—and I, as President—champion a vision for our world that is grounded in the values of democracy.”
Midday, today, New York attorney general Letitia James announced that her office has filed a $250 million civil lawsuit against Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and two executives from the company—Allan Weisselberg and Jeff McConney—accusing them of years of fraudulent financial practices, lying to banks about the value of their assets by billions of dollars while undervaluing those same properties for tax purposes.
The investigation began more than three years ago when Trump’s fixer, Michael Cohen, testified under oath that Trump lied about the value of his properties to get better loan terms and lower taxes. The instances James identified today were eye-popping. Mar-a-Lago is worth around $75 million; Trump valued it at $739 million based on its potential for development even though Trump himself had signed deeds sharply restricting that development. Rental units worth $750,000 were valued at nearly $50 million.
“The pattern of fraud that was used by Mr. Trump and the Trump organization for their own financial benefit was astounding,” James said.
Forced to testify in the investigation last month, Trump refused to answer questions, invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 440 times. In a civil trial, jurors can draw negative inferences from a witness taking the Fifth. Last month, James rejected an offer from the Trump Organization to settle the case.
The suit seeks to recover the profits from the scheme, to ban the Trumps from engaging in real estate transactions for five years, and to prohibit Trump or his children from running any business licensed in New York state. James also filed a criminal referral to federal prosecutors and a tax fraud referral to the IRS.
If the suit succeeds, it will devastate the Trump Organization.
Then tonight, in a major victory for the Department of Justice, a three-judge panel from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta ruled that Judge Aileen Cannon’s lower court “abused its discretion” when it temporarily banned the Justice Department from using the roughly 100 documents with classification markings in its criminal investigation of the former president.
The decision was unanimous. Two of the three judges on the panel were appointed by Trump.
At issue are the documents Trump stole from the U.S. government when he left the White House. All of those documents belong to the U.S. government—that is, the American people—but some of them are classified, some at the highest level of classification.
Today’s struggle is not over the 184 classified documents in the first 15 boxes of material Trump returned to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in January 2022, or the 38 additional classified documents recovered after a subpoena. It’s about the 100 or more documents with classified markings FBI agents recovered from Mar-a-Lago on August 8.
Trump wanted a special master to determine if any of the documents recovered on August 8 actually belonged to him or were protected by attorney-client privilege, and a court to rule that until the special master had reviewed the documents, the Department of Justice could not use them in a criminal investigation of the former president.
On Labor Day, Judge Cannon agreed with Trump, so the Justice Department asked for the part of her decision that involved the classified documents to be stopped, since it could not untangle the criminal investigation from the investigation into the damage the national security had suffered from this breach. She refused, but today’s decision gave the DOJ what it wanted.
“For our part, we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings,” it said. “Classified documents…are ‘owned by, produced by or for, or…under the control of the United States Government’… and “they include information the ‘unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable or describable damage to the national security.’” It continued: Trump “has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know the information contained in the classified documents.”
It noted that while Trump “suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President,” “the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified,” and that yesterday, Trump’s lawyers “resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents.” The U.S., the court said, “would suffer irreparable injury” if the bar on using the documents for a criminal investigation stays in place, because that investigation is “inextricably intertwined” with the ongoing national security review. The government needs to figure out who saw the documents, whether they were compromised, and what else might be missing.
This afternoon, before the ruling, in an interview on the Fox News Channel, Trump said: “I declassified the documents when they left the White House…. There doesn’t have to be a process as I understand it. You’re the president of the United States, you can declassify…even by thinking about it.” (In fact, there is a process for declassification.) He also suggested that the archivists at NARA are “a radical left group of people” who were hiding documents, and that maybe the FBI was looking “for the Hillary Clinton emails” when they searched Mar-a-Lago.
Also today, CNN reported that Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who was active in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election, will speak to the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol.
To prevent any future attempt to overturn an election, the House today passed a fix to the Electoral Count Act, making it clear the vice president cannot refuse to count certified electors and making it harder for congress members to object to those certified ballots. The vote was 229 to 203. Only nine Republicans, most of whom are retiring or who lost their primaries, joined the Democrats to pass the measure.
Hey, if Donald Trump was able to declassify things just by thinking about it because he was President…
…what if Joe Biden sits down, has a little think, and decides ‘y’know what: all that stuff is classified again’?
captain_spalding said:
Hey, if Donald Trump was able to declassify things just by thinking about it because he was President……what if Joe Biden sits down, has a little think, and decides ‘y’know what: all that stuff is classified again’?
LOLOL.
Bwilliant!
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Hey, if Donald Trump was able to declassify things just by thinking about it because he was President……what if Joe Biden sits down, has a little think, and decides ‘y’know what: all that stuff is classified again’?
LOLOL.
Bwilliant!
Actually, the Royal Navy would do this.
They’d reprint the manufacturer’s manual for a piece of equipment. If challenged over copyright, the RN would declare it to be a ‘restricted’ publication, and demand that the manufacturer stop printing it. Only happened a couple of times, and suppliers got the idea.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Hey, if Donald Trump was able to declassify things just by thinking about it because he was President……what if Joe Biden sits down, has a little think, and decides ‘y’know what: all that stuff is classified again’?
LOLOL.
Bwilliant!
It sounds like his legal team are incompetent enough to not need any fancy manoeuvres like that.
CNN —
Several GOP senators raised new concerns Thursday about former President Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents, rejecting his claim that he could simply declassify the secret records by “thinking about it.”
In interviews with CNN, the senators broke from Trump’s claim that everything was handled appropriately, diverging from many in the party who have sidestepped questions about the matter or have vigorously defended the former President.
Asked about Trump’s claim on Fox News that he could simply declassify documents by thinking about it and there’s no process for him to follow to do that, Senate GOP Whip John Thune told CNN there’s a process for declassifying documents.
“And I think it ought to be adhered to and followed. And I think that should apply to anybody who has access to or deals with classified information,” Thune said.
“I think the concern is about those being taken from the White House absent some way of declassifying them or the fact that there were classified documents removed — without sort of the appropriate safeguards,” the South Dakota Republican continued, adding, “I think that is what the Justice Department is getting at.”
Sen. Thom Tillis, a two-term Republican from North Carolina who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told CNN that he believes there’s a process that must be followed by a President to declassify the records.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/republican-reaction-trump-secret-records/index.html
I liked trump
Apart from firing missiles over the Russian navy I always knew what he was thinking bevause he told me – unfiltered.
wookiemeister said:
I liked trump
Shock
“Ukraine requests military weapons to assist with Russian invasion”
Looks like they are not stopping before they get to Moscow.
Peak Warming Man said:
“Ukraine requests military weapons to assist with Russian invasion”Looks like they are not stopping before they get to Moscow.
Everyone knows that Putin won’t stand for that.
wookiemeister said:
I liked trumpApart from firing missiles over the Russian navy I always knew what he was thinking bevause he told me – unfiltered.
Unfiltered, unthinking, unintelligible, uninspiring, unbelievable…
fsm said:
Shopped I reckon.
Peak Warming Man said:
fsm said:
Shopped I reckon.
His bum is a bit small, yeah.
Spiny Norman said:
:)
‘Jan 6 committee wins — will get phone records of Arizona GOP boss who was a fake elector: report ‘
‘The subpoena from the House Select Committee on January 6th sought phone records from T-Mobile between Nov. 1, 2020, through Jan. 31, 2021, for four phone numbers associated with the Wards and Michael Ward’s business, Mole Medical Services. Both Wards were among the Arizona Republicans who were fake electors and signed a bogus document claiming that Donald Trump won the state in the 2020 election. ‘
https://www.rawstory.com/kelli-ward-2658327002/
The noose tightens by another millimetre…
District Court Judge Raymond Dearie, the special master appointed as a neutral investigator to look over the files seized in the FBI’s Mar-a-Lago raid, is calling for backup.
In a filing dated Thursday, Dearie wrote that he would not seek additional compensation for serving as a special master in the Trump case. However, he asked to be allowed to hire an assistant – James Orenstein, a former magistrate judge in New York – to help in evaluating the 11,000 documents that the FBI took from Mar-a-Lago.
In the filing, Dearie asked that Orenstein, who is retired, be “compensated at the hourly rate of $500.”
According to Dearie’s filing on Thursday, the expenses incurred in hiring Orenstein will be billed to Trump every month, starting October 1. In addition, the former president will be given an outline of “the hours worked and expenses to be reimbursed.”
Trump’s team will then have seven days to dispute the amount and seven additional days after resolving potential disputes to pay the costs in full.
“Failure to make timely payment will be deemed a violation of the Special Master’s order subject to sanction pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure,” the filing stated.
fsm said:
District Court Judge Raymond Dearie, the special master appointed as a neutral investigator to look over the files seized in the FBI’s Mar-a-Lago raid, is calling for backup.In a filing dated Thursday, Dearie wrote that he would not seek additional compensation for serving as a special master in the Trump case. However, he asked to be allowed to hire an assistant – James Orenstein, a former magistrate judge in New York – to help in evaluating the 11,000 documents that the FBI took from Mar-a-Lago.
In the filing, Dearie asked that Orenstein, who is retired, be “compensated at the hourly rate of $500.”
According to Dearie’s filing on Thursday, the expenses incurred in hiring Orenstein will be billed to Trump every month, starting October 1. In addition, the former president will be given an outline of “the hours worked and expenses to be reimbursed.”
Trump’s team will then have seven days to dispute the amount and seven additional days after resolving potential disputes to pay the costs in full.
“Failure to make timely payment will be deemed a violation of the Special Master’s order subject to sanction pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure,” the filing stated.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16249/
captain_spalding said:
ROFL
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
ROFL
Don’t see much to laugh at.
How long before someone sidles up to Florida governor De Santis and offers him a ‘final solution’ to the problem?
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
ROFL
Don’t see much to laugh at.
How long before someone sidles up to Florida governor De Santis and offers him a ‘final solution’ to the problem?
When DeSantis becomes Hitler then I think critical thinking skills have gone missing.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
ROFL
Don’t see much to laugh at.
How long before someone sidles up to Florida governor De Santis and offers him a ‘final solution’ to the problem?
-4 years
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:ROFL
Don’t see much to laugh at.
How long before someone sidles up to Florida governor De Santis and offers him a ‘final solution’ to the problem?
When DeSantis becomes Hitler then I think critical thinking skills have gone missing.
Correct, it’s all about names, nothing about what people do¡
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
captain_spalding said:Don’t see much to laugh at.
How long before someone sidles up to Florida governor De Santis and offers him a ‘final solution’ to the problem?
When DeSantis becomes Hitler then I think critical thinking skills have gone missing.
Correct, it’s all about names, nothing about what people do¡
In 1919, Hitler was a Bavarian ex-corporal without much in the way of prospects. In the 1920s, Heinrich Himmler was an agriculture student and a clerk.
Probably no-one could have predicted that two such insignificant individuals would cause so much suffering and destruction not too many years in the future. Then, circumstances favoured them, and they took full advantage of them. A gradual plan came to fruition, using the processes and powers that existed, then modifying them and adding to them. It was all perfectly legal.
To dismiss De Santis as being of no consequence in the future is probably correct. But, we can’t say for certain, and if it’s not De Santis, well, there’s a lot more like him. Monsters are rarely monsters until someone or something allows them to be.
Democrats leading in the polls by about 2%, which kind of puts them in the realm they need to be in order to win the House of Representatives.
Stephen Colbert, in his nightly US show, has decided to not use Trump’s name again so he uses nick-names and the like. The most recent one I saw amused me somewhat – “The Count of Mostly Crisco”.
Spiny Norman said:
Stephen Colbert, in his nightly US show, has decided to not use Trump’s name again so he uses nick-names and the like. The most recent one I saw amused me somewhat – “The Count of Mostly Crisco”.
Rofl
Former senior technical adviser for the January 6 Committee, Denver Riggleman, said the White House switchboard connected a phone call to a Capitol rioter on January 6, 2021.
“You get a real ‘a-ha’ moment when you see that the White House switchboard had connected to a rioter’s phone while it’s happening,” Riggleman told 60 Minutes correspondent Bill Whitaker. “That’s a big, pretty big ‘a-ha’ moment.”
Riggleman, an ex-military intelligence officer and former Republican congressman from Virginia, oversaw a data-driven operation for the January 6 committee, pursuing phone records and other digital clues tied to the attack on the Capitol. He stopped working for the committee in April.
“I only know one end of that call,” Riggleman said. “I don’t know the White House end, which I believe is more important. But the thing is the American people need to know that there are link connections that need to be explored more.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/denver-riggleman-white-house-switchboard-capitol-rioter-january-6-60-minutes-2022-09-23/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=182781555#app
dv said:
Former senior technical adviser for the January 6 Committee, Denver Riggleman, said the White House switchboard connected a phone call to a Capitol rioter on January 6, 2021.“You get a real ‘a-ha’ moment when you see that the White House switchboard had connected to a rioter’s phone while it’s happening,” Riggleman told 60 Minutes correspondent Bill Whitaker. “That’s a big, pretty big ‘a-ha’ moment.”
Riggleman, an ex-military intelligence officer and former Republican congressman from Virginia, oversaw a data-driven operation for the January 6 committee, pursuing phone records and other digital clues tied to the attack on the Capitol. He stopped working for the committee in April.
“I only know one end of that call,” Riggleman said. “I don’t know the White House end, which I believe is more important. But the thing is the American people need to know that there are link connections that need to be explored more.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/denver-riggleman-white-house-switchboard-capitol-rioter-january-6-60-minutes-2022-09-23/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=182781555#app
it certainly is taking time, isn’t it?
Federal Abortion BAN is coming…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84IIMw0AAq8
Inside Trump’s Plot to Send Rapists and Killers To ‘Destabilize’ Liberal Cities
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-desantis-immigration-marthas-vineyard-sanctuary-cities-1234599500/
captain_spalding said:
Inside Trump’s Plot to Send Rapists and Killers To ‘Destabilize’ Liberal Cities
so pretty much what George William Frederick did to this place in his time as Dear Leader of the Empire back then
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Inside Trump’s Plot to Send Rapists and Killers To ‘Destabilize’ Liberal Cities
so pretty much what George William Frederick did to this place in his time as Dear Leader of the Empire back then
Stupid ideas and action in previous centuries don’t excuse similar stupid ideas and actions today.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
Inside Trump’s Plot to Send Rapists and Killers To ‘Destabilize’ Liberal Cities
so pretty much what George William Frederick did to this place in his time as Dear Leader of the Empire back then
Stupid ideas and action in previous centuries don’t excuse similar stupid ideas and actions today.
ah well
Joseph Stalin is appointed General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Soviet Communist Party. In Italy, the March on Rome brings the National Fascist Party and Benito Mussolini to power. Italy begins a period of dictatorship that lasts until the end of the Second World War, but at the same time becomes the predominant power in the Mediterranean. Benito Mussolini, 39, becomes the youngest ever Prime Minister of Italy. Japanese aircraft carrier Hōshō becomes the first purpose-designed aircraft carrier to be commissioned.
on the other hand, how things can reverse direction
Leser v. Garnett: The Supreme Court of the United States rebuffs a challenge to the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which gave women the right to vote on the same terms as men. Vegemite is invented by Australian entrepreneur Fred Walker.
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.
“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
It’s a worry, and I’m afraid I’m not able to advise him how to best spend his money in this regard.
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Bill gates could spend money on combating misinformation and fact checking.
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Wealthy bloke tells the world that wild sells and that we’re going to have a civil war.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Wealthy bloke tells the world that wild sells and that we’re going to have a civil war.
Hah
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Bill gates could spend money on combating misinformation and fact checking.
Yeah but the Qanon crowd detest factcheckers.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Bill gates could spend money on combating misinformation and fact checking.
Create a TV show a bit like myth busters, but focused on deconstructing conspiracy theories.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Bill gates could spend money on combating misinformation and fact checking.
Create a TV show a bit like myth busters, but focused on deconstructing conspiracy theories.
Create a website to go with it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Bill gates could spend money on combating misinformation and fact checking.
Create a TV show a bit like myth busters, but focused on deconstructing conspiracy theories.
Create a website to go with it.
That sort of thing certainly helps, for those who haven’t already been captured by the madness.
Those that have seem beyond salvation.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Bill gates could spend money on combating misinformation and fact checking.
Create a TV show a bit like myth busters, but focused on deconstructing conspiracy theories.
Create a website to go with it.
There is a tonne of media of this kind already. The kind of people that sign up for these conspiracy theories do not believe such websites and shows. The more references and evidence you provide, the less they’ll believe it. Having Bill Gates fund them will not help. Hey why not have Obama and George Soros chip in?
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Create a TV show a bit like myth busters, but focused on deconstructing conspiracy theories.
Create a website to go with it.
There is a tonne of media of this kind already. The kind of people that sign up for these conspiracy theories do not believe such websites and shows. The more references and evidence you provide, the less they’ll believe it. Having Bill Gates fund them will not help. Hey why not have Obama and George Soros chip in?
OTOH we do obviously need a strong fact-rectifying presence in the media to help stem the flow to the dark depths.
As I said, the problem is what to do about those who have already sunk.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Create a website to go with it.
There is a tonne of media of this kind already. The kind of people that sign up for these conspiracy theories do not believe such websites and shows. The more references and evidence you provide, the less they’ll believe it. Having Bill Gates fund them will not help. Hey why not have Obama and George Soros chip in?
OTOH we do obviously need a strong fact-rectifying presence in the media to help stem the flow to the dark depths.
As I said, the problem is what to do about those who have already sunk.
I guess just keep sending them to Sky After Dark so no one will ever see them.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Create a TV show a bit like myth busters, but focused on deconstructing conspiracy theories.
Create a website to go with it.
There is a tonne of media of this kind already. The kind of people that sign up for these conspiracy theories do not believe such websites and shows. The more references and evidence you provide, the less they’ll believe it. Having Bill Gates fund them will not help. Hey why not have Obama and George Soros chip in?
Yes. It is a problem of psychology, not for lack of information or access to it. It is not even about a lack of critical thinking skills or logical approach. It is all in the head.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Create a website to go with it.
There is a tonne of media of this kind already. The kind of people that sign up for these conspiracy theories do not believe such websites and shows. The more references and evidence you provide, the less they’ll believe it. Having Bill Gates fund them will not help. Hey why not have Obama and George Soros chip in?
Yes. It is a problem of psychology, not for lack of information or access to it. It is not even about a lack of critical thinking skills or logical approach. It is all in the head.
It is a problem of information access in that bullsht is spread much more effectively in the modern world than in the days before the internet.
But as Gates says, the problem seems untreatable.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
There is a tonne of media of this kind already. The kind of people that sign up for these conspiracy theories do not believe such websites and shows. The more references and evidence you provide, the less they’ll believe it. Having Bill Gates fund them will not help. Hey why not have Obama and George Soros chip in?
Yes. It is a problem of psychology, not for lack of information or access to it. It is not even about a lack of critical thinking skills or logical approach. It is all in the head.
It is a problem of information access in that bullsht is spread much more effectively in the modern world than in the days before the internet.
But as Gates says, the problem seems untreatable.
we’d better all give up
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Wealthy bloke tells the world that wild sells and that we’re going to have a civil war.
Look our mate Bill may not be perfect, but as far as I can tell he’s a damn good bloke.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”
Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.
“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
Wealthy bloke tells the world that wild sells and that we’re going to have a civil war.
Look our mate Bill may not be perfect, but as far as I can tell he’s a damn good bloke.
PWM is feeling a lot of spite since IE was scrapped.
Trump declassifies documents by telekinesis.
He has extraordinary abilities.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump declassifies documents by telekinesis.He has extraordinary abilities.
If brains were gunpowder, he wouldn’t have enough to blow his nose.
Next Jan 6 Committee hearing is on Wed 28 Sept
09/28/22 Select Committee Hearing
Wed, 09/28/2022 – 1:00pm
390 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515
Midnight, 28/29 Sept Eastern Aust time.
We now cross live to the proctology convention
dv said:
We now cross live to the proctology convention
Hopefully they are cricket fans telling Trump he’s been caught out…
party_pants said:
dv said:
We now cross live to the proctology convention
Hopefully they are cricket fans telling Trump he’s been caught out…
unfortunately no.
party_pants said:
dv said:
We now cross live to the proctology convention
Hopefully they are cricket fans telling Trump he’s been caught out…
They are doing a stocktake of his brain cells.
it’s a Trump of the Will convention
dv said:
We now cross live to the proctology convention
The people denying the “don’t look up” demand.
Oh shit, what’s that thing?
US: 48 Exploited Pandemic to Steal $250M From Food Program
Federal authorities have charged 48 people in what they’re calling the largest pandemic-related fraud scheme yet uncovered.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-09-20/feds-minnesota-food-scheme-stole-250m-47-people-charged
https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
In the latest party affiliation poll by Gallup, only 24% of adult Americans identify as Republicans.
The New York Times
14 m ·
Breaking News: Edward Snowden was granted Russian citizenship, nine years after he disclosed classified NSA documents and fled the U.S.
sarahs mum said:
The New York Times
14 m ·
Breaking News: Edward Snowden was granted Russian citizenship, nine years after he disclosed classified NSA documents and fled the U.S.
Age 39 so he is still of fighting age.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The New York Times
14 m ·
Breaking News: Edward Snowden was granted Russian citizenship, nine years after he disclosed classified NSA documents and fled the U.S.
Age 39 so he is still of fighting age.
:) roffle.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Andy Borowitz: How American Politicians Got Dumb and Dumber
Humorist Andy Borowitz believes good leadership is increasingly hard to find these days. His new book, “Profiles in Ignorance: How America’s Politicians Got Dumber and Dumber,” looks at America’s embrace of anti-intellectualism. He joins Walter Isaacson to talk about the danger this trend poses to our democracy.
3 stages of ignorance
Age of Ridicule > Regan and et al pretending to be smart, didn’t read books.
Age of Acceptance > George W Bush, didn’t read books.
Age of Celebration > Trump et al Trump, didn’t read books.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fled his home to avoid being served with subpoena, court record says
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/26/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-subpoena-abortion-lawsuit/
dv said:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fled his home to avoid being served with subpoena, court record sayshttps://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/26/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-subpoena-abortion-lawsuit/
and he’s an attorney general?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fled his home to avoid being served with subpoena, court record sayshttps://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/26/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-subpoena-abortion-lawsuit/
and he’s an attorney general?
Yes, it’s the kind of thing you’d expect to happen in a very normal place where things are going great.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fled his home to avoid being served with subpoena, court record sayshttps://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/26/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-subpoena-abortion-lawsuit/
and he’s an attorney general?
Yes, it’s the kind of thing you’d expect to happen in a very normal place where things are going great.
magagreat
Trump Saw Staffers of Color at White House, Assumed They Were Waiters, Book Says
When Democratic leaders brought a racially diverse group of staffers to a meeting, the former president assumed they were there to serve food
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/haberman-book-trump-white-house-meeting-staffers-waiters-1234601180/
captain_spalding said:
Trump Saw Staffers of Color at White House, Assumed They Were Waiters, Book Says
When Democratic leaders brought a racially diverse group of staffers to a meeting, the former president assumed they were there to serve foodhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/haberman-book-trump-white-house-meeting-staffers-waiters-1234601180/
alternative title, woke Democrats think they’re above doing essential work
More insight into Trump
Trump Saw Staffers of Color at White House, Assumed They Were Waiters, Book Says
When Democratic leaders brought a racially diverse group of staffers to a meeting, the former president assumed they were there to serve food
more…
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Trump Saw Staffers of Color at White House, Assumed They Were Waiters, Book Says
When Democratic leaders brought a racially diverse group of staffers to a meeting, the former president assumed they were there to serve foodhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/haberman-book-trump-white-house-meeting-staffers-waiters-1234601180/
alternative title, woke Democrats think they’re above doing essential work
Beaten by Captain Spalding
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
More insight into Trump
Trump Saw Staffers of Color at White House, Assumed They Were Waiters, Book Says
When Democratic leaders brought a racially diverse group of staffers to a meeting, the former president assumed they were there to serve food
more…
Trump Saw Staffers of Color at White House, Assumed They Were Waiters, Book Says
When Democratic leaders brought a racially diverse group of staffers to a meeting, the former president assumed they were there to serve foodalternative title, woke Democrats think they’re above doing essential work
Beaten by Captain Spalding
thrashed
Oh Dear.
No amount of psychology or psychiatry can fix this one.
USA Trends
Trend towards Jesus, guns, babies.
Trend towards religion, walls, segregation.
Trend towards sexism, racism, conspiracy theories.
Trend towards people with low to no reading ability.
Trend towards people having multiple biases.
Trend towards low to no critical thinking.
Trend towards gun violence.
Trend towards pornography.
Trend towards mass shootings.
Trend towards violent movies.
Trend towards violent games.
Trend towards gangs tribalism and racial violence.
Trend towards sexual violence.
Trend towards controlling women.
Trend towards controlling social movement.
Other trends?
Tau.Neutrino said:
USA TrendsTrend towards Jesus, guns, babies.
Trend towards religion, walls, segregation.
Trend towards sexism, racism, conspiracy theories.
Trend towards people with low to no reading ability.
Trend towards people having multiple biases.
Trend towards low to no critical thinking.
Trend towards gun violence.
Trend towards pornography.
Trend towards mass shootings.
Trend towards violent movies.
Trend towards violent games.
Trend towards gangs tribalism and racial violence.
Trend towards sexual violence.
Trend towards controlling women.
Trend towards controlling social movement.Other trends?
Thinking that pornography is bad is bad.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
USA TrendsTrend towards Jesus, guns, babies.
Trend towards religion, walls, segregation.
Trend towards sexism, racism, conspiracy theories.
Trend towards people with low to no reading ability.
Trend towards people having multiple biases.
Trend towards low to no critical thinking.
Trend towards gun violence.
Trend towards pornography.
Trend towards mass shootings.
Trend towards violent movies.
Trend towards violent games.
Trend towards gangs tribalism and racial violence.
Trend towards sexual violence.
Trend towards controlling women.
Trend towards controlling social movement.Other trends?
Thinking that pornography is bad is bad.
Trend to Glamour?
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
USA TrendsTrend towards Jesus, guns, babies.
Trend towards religion, walls, segregation.
Trend towards sexism, racism, conspiracy theories.
Trend towards people with low to no reading ability.
Trend towards people having multiple biases.
Trend towards low to no critical thinking.
Trend towards gun violence.
Trend towards pornography.
Trend towards mass shootings.
Trend towards violent movies.
Trend towards violent games.
Trend towards gangs tribalism and racial violence.
Trend towards sexual violence.
Trend towards controlling women.
Trend towards controlling social movement.Other trends?
Thinking that pornography is bad is bad.
Trend to Glamour?
Leave it off the list. The porn industry is actually suffering a bit with the advent of amateurs posting free content on the internet.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:Thinking that pornography is bad is bad.
Trend to Glamour?
Leave it off the list. The porn industry is actually suffering a bit with the advent of amateurs posting free content on the internet.
They still make more money than all American sports combines.
But yes nude selfies are on the rise.
Selfies Via Yoga is on the rise
Selfies via modelling is also on the rise.
Tau.Neutrino said:
USA TrendsTrend towards Jesus, guns, babies.
Trend towards religion, walls, segregation.
Trend towards sexism, racism, conspiracy theories.
Trend towards people with low to no reading ability.
Trend towards people having multiple biases.
Trend towards low to no critical thinking.
Trend towards gun violence.
Trend towards pornography.
Trend towards mass shootings.
Trend towards violent movies.
Trend towards violent games.
Trend towards gangs tribalism and racial violence.
Trend towards sexual violence.
Trend towards controlling women.
Trend towards controlling social movement.Other trends?
Trend towards emotional violence.
https://youtu.be/TTmOY6K7RJs
11th circuit court of repeals unanimously rejects Judge Cannon’s analysis, finding that she erred in law.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/eleventh-circuit-cleans-mess
how dare they shake confidence in the judicial system
Ginni Thomas, wife of supreme court justice, appears before January 6 panel
Thomas, who contacted lawmakers in Arizona and Wisconsin in weeks after election, gives voluntary interview on Capitol Hill
The conservative activist Ginni Thomas, the wife of the supreme court justice Clarence Thomas, appeared on Thursday for a voluntary interview with the House January 6 committee.
The extent of her involvement in the Capitol attack is unclear. In the days after the presidential election was called for Biden, Thomas emailed two lawmakers in Arizona to urge them to choose “a clean slate of electors” and “stand strong in the face of political and media pressure”.
Justice Thomas was the lone dissenting voice when the supreme court ruled in January to allow a congressional committee access to presidential diaries, visitor logs, speech drafts and handwritten notes relating to the events of January 6.
Ginni Thomas has been openly critical of the committee’s work, including signing a letter to House Republicans calling for the expulsion of Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, for joining the January 6 committee.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/29/ginni-thomas-clarence-thomas-testifies-january-6
DeSantis, who opposed Hurricane Sandy relief, now desperate for Biden’s aid as Ian ravages Florida
On his second day in Congress, Ron DeSantis voted against a federal relief package for New York and New Jersey in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, but almost a decade later, the Florida governor’s response to Hurricane Ian hitting his home state is much different.
DeSantis asked President Biden on Wednesday to approve a major disaster declaration for 67 counties impacted by Hurricane Ian and to cover 100% of the costs of debris removal and emergency protective measures for the first 60 days after the hurricane.
https://www.salon.com/2022/09/30/desantis-opposed-hurricane-sandy-relief-now-desperate-for-bidens-aid-as-ian-ravages-florida/
dv said:
DeSantis, who opposed Hurricane Sandy relief, now desperate for Biden’s aid as Ian ravages FloridaOn his second day in Congress, Ron DeSantis voted against a federal relief package for New York and New Jersey in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, but almost a decade later, the Florida governor’s response to Hurricane Ian hitting his home state is much different.
DeSantis asked President Biden on Wednesday to approve a major disaster declaration for 67 counties impacted by Hurricane Ian and to cover 100% of the costs of debris removal and emergency protective measures for the first 60 days after the hurricane.
https://www.salon.com/2022/09/30/desantis-opposed-hurricane-sandy-relief-now-desperate-for-bidens-aid-as-ian-ravages-florida/
Hmmmm.
‘…a death wish!’
Not-so-subtle shout out to the more radical Trump goons?
Michael V said:
dv said:
DeSantis, who opposed Hurricane Sandy relief, now desperate for Biden’s aid as Ian ravages FloridaOn his second day in Congress, Ron DeSantis voted against a federal relief package for New York and New Jersey in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, but almost a decade later, the Florida governor’s response to Hurricane Ian hitting his home state is much different.
DeSantis asked President Biden on Wednesday to approve a major disaster declaration for 67 counties impacted by Hurricane Ian and to cover 100% of the costs of debris removal and emergency protective measures for the first 60 days after the hurricane.
https://www.salon.com/2022/09/30/desantis-opposed-hurricane-sandy-relief-now-desperate-for-bidens-aid-as-ian-ravages-florida/
Hmmmm.
It’s typical conservative thinking on government funding, always happy to take, never happy to give, always jealous of someone else getting any share of it.
F’king hell. This is more insane than the usual insane shit.
During the presidency of President Donald Trump, it became evident to me that the prophecies about the Son of Man, as predicted by Jesus in the Bible were, to a significant extent, fulfilled at the hands of Mr Trump. The Bible speaks about two different Christs-or Messiahs. Jesus, the Son of God is the one Christ, whereas the Son of Man is the other. Jesus always referred to the Son of Man in the third person.
The greatest distinction or significance between the Son of Man and the Son of God (the Lamb) is their respective positions at the throne of God. There are numerous differences between the Son of God and the Son of Man, but overall, people read these scriptures and they do not realize that the Son of God (the Lamb) stands in front of the throne of God, whereas the Son of Man, is positioned on the right hand of God.
Jesus spoke about two different killings in the four gospels of the New Testament. People read these scriptures and are unaware that Jesus (the Son of God) predicted his own killing in the first person, as opposed to the several prophecies that He made in respects to the Son of Man who will be crucified. The New Testament speaks about “two Kings;” Jesus, the Son of God, is the “King of the Jews,” whereas the Son of Man is the “King of Kings” who will be a world-ruler, and He will rule all the nations (the tribes) of the earth with a rod of iron.This book will explain in depth how “Donald John Trump’s” full name literally means: “The Ruler of the World, graced by Yahweh (the LORD) and a descendant of a Drummer.”
Upon reading this book, the reader will be captivated when they realize how President Donald John Trump fulfilled most of the prophecies as the Son of Man. It speaks about End Time Prophecies and Biblical revelations regarding “President Donald J. Trump, the Son of Man. The Christ.”
www.fishpond.com/Books/President-Donald-J-Trump-Son-of-Man-Christ-Helgard-Muller/9781977249241
>>and a descendant of a Drummer
And verily I think he taketh the piss.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-mitch-mcconnell-elaine-chao-death-wish-threat-us-politics-news/e30bb1f1-a79e-428f-becb-c8432d6b1da5
Peak Warming Man said:
>>and a descendant of a DrummerAnd verily I think he taketh the piss.
(Shrugs) not the craziest
dv said:
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-mitch-mcconnell-elaine-chao-death-wish-threat-us-politics-news/e30bb1f1-a79e-428f-becb-c8432d6b1da5
It never occurs to him for one second that, vacuous twat the he usually is, McConnell might have had a fit of rationality and decided to support some measures that are actually good for his country. That McConnell just might not give a poop about what DJT thinks of the bills.
No, it’s all about Trump. Everything’s about Trump. Everything’s always about Trump.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>and a descendant of a DrummerAnd verily I think he taketh the piss.
(Shrugs) not the craziest
Trump’s dad was a drummer?
Hmm, this might help explain…
He’s back on top baby.
After being dethroned by the Queen for having the most stories and photos in world media Trump is back baby, back on top.
captain_spalding said:
‘…a death wish!’
Not-so-subtle shout out to the more radical Trump goons?
far out! someone should shut him too.
Peak Warming Man said:
He’s back on top baby.
After being dethroned by the Queen for having the most stories and photos in world media Trump is back baby, back on top.
IDK man, Putin and Covid are still getting some hits.
we apologise
SCIENCE said:
we apologise
do we?
What for?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
we apologise
do we?
What for?
sorry for saying sorry all the time.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
we apologise
do we?
What for?
sorry for saying sorry all the time.
Former GOP candidates push baseless QAnon conspiracy theory that Hurricane Ian was created to punish DeSantis
‘While Florida residents and emergency crews survey the devastation from Hurricane Ian, which continues to barrel along the East Coast, two former far-right congressional candidates floated a baseless conspiracy theory that the federal government created the storm to “punish” and “target” Republicans.’
Re-posted from The Independent UK:
https://1gov.uk/former-gop-candidates-push-baseless-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-hurricane-ian-was-created-to-punish-desantis/
captain_spalding said:
Former GOP candidates push baseless QAnon conspiracy theory that Hurricane Ian was created to punish DeSantis
‘While Florida residents and emergency crews survey the devastation from Hurricane Ian, which continues to barrel along the East Coast, two former far-right congressional candidates floated a baseless conspiracy theory that the federal government created the storm to “punish” and “target” Republicans.’
Re-posted from The Independent UK:
like jesus christ literally but anyway if we consider consequences a natural form of punishment then yeah the actions of a whole bunch of people and their attendant governments could be seen to quite possibly contribute to it
captain_spalding said:
Former GOP candidates push baseless QAnon conspiracy theory that Hurricane Ian was created to punish DeSantis‘While Florida residents and emergency crews survey the devastation from Hurricane Ian, which continues to barrel along the East Coast, two former far-right congressional candidates floated a baseless conspiracy theory that the federal government created the storm to “punish” and “target” Republicans.’
Re-posted from The Independent UK:
https://1gov.uk/former-gop-candidates-push-baseless-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-hurricane-ian-was-created-to-punish-desantis/
Gourd!
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Former GOP candidates push baseless QAnon conspiracy theory that Hurricane Ian was created to punish DeSantis‘While Florida residents and emergency crews survey the devastation from Hurricane Ian, which continues to barrel along the East Coast, two former far-right congressional candidates floated a baseless conspiracy theory that the federal government created the storm to “punish” and “target” Republicans.’
Re-posted from The Independent UK:
https://1gov.uk/former-gop-candidates-push-baseless-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-hurricane-ian-was-created-to-punish-desantis/
Gourd!
Yeah, when the hurricane blitzed New Orleans, it was ‘God’s punishment’ against a sinful city.
Now, when a hurricane hits Florida, it’s the work of godless ‘deep-state’ leftists.
captain_spalding said:
Former GOP candidates push baseless QAnon conspiracy theory that Hurricane Ian was created to punish DeSantis‘While Florida residents and emergency crews survey the devastation from Hurricane Ian, which continues to barrel along the East Coast, two former far-right congressional candidates floated a baseless conspiracy theory that the federal government created the storm to “punish” and “target” Republicans.’
Re-posted from The Independent UK:
https://1gov.uk/former-gop-candidates-push-baseless-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-hurricane-ian-was-created-to-punish-desantis/
What nonsense.
We all know that only God has the power to punish with hurricanes.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Former GOP candidates push baseless QAnon conspiracy theory that Hurricane Ian was created to punish DeSantis‘While Florida residents and emergency crews survey the devastation from Hurricane Ian, which continues to barrel along the East Coast, two former far-right congressional candidates floated a baseless conspiracy theory that the federal government created the storm to “punish” and “target” Republicans.’
Re-posted from The Independent UK:
https://1gov.uk/former-gop-candidates-push-baseless-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-hurricane-ian-was-created-to-punish-desantis/
Gourd!
Yeah, when the hurricane blitzed New Orleans, it was ‘God’s punishment’ against a sinful city.
Now, when a hurricane hits Florida, it’s the work of godless ‘deep-state’ leftists.
You really have to stop remembering stuff.
:)
Doug Mastriano, the GOP gubernatorial candidate for Pennsylvania, promised to ban pole dancing from schools.
He did not provide evidence of pole dancing being taught in any schools.
https://www.businessinsider.com/doug-mastriano-said-he-would-ban-pole-dancing-from-pennsylvania-schools-2022-10
A congressional panel has sought an urgent review by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) following agency staff acknowledged they had not received all the documents from Mr Trump’s White House they require.
“While there is no easy way to establish absolute accountability, we do know that we do not have custody of everything we should,” acting archivist Debra Wall said in a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
She said former White House staffers had conducted official business on personal accounts which were not copied or forwarded to their official accounts, in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
“NARA has been able to obtain such records from a number of former officials and will continue to pursue the return of similar types of presidential records from former officials,” Ms Wall said in the letter, first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-03/trump-staffers-yet-to-return-all-documents/101495694
dv said:
A congressional panel has sought an urgent review by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) following agency staff acknowledged they had not received all the documents from Mr Trump’s White House they require.“While there is no easy way to establish absolute accountability, we do know that we do not have custody of everything we should,” acting archivist Debra Wall said in a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
She said former White House staffers had conducted official business on personal accounts which were not copied or forwarded to their official accounts, in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
“NARA has been able to obtain such records from a number of former officials and will continue to pursue the return of similar types of presidential records from former officials,” Ms Wall said in the letter, first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-03/trump-staffers-yet-to-return-all-documents/101495694
They’d never do that sort of thing. Only Hilary would do that sort of thing…
The Story Behind DeSantis’s Migrant Flights to Martha’s Vineyard
‘The story of how the migrants were recruited for the flights was recounted by dozens of migrants in interviews with lawyers and journalists after arriving, mystified, on what they realized was a remote resort island with few resources.’
‘Staff members at the community center in Martha’s Vineyard arranged for a migrant named Pablo to call home to Venezuela, Ms. Rolanti said. He appeared broken.
“My love, we were tricked,” he told his wife, weeping uncontrollably. “This woman lied to us. She lied.”’
https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/02/the-story-behind-desantiss-migrant-flights-to-marthas-vineyard/
Same story also appeared in the New York Times.
Fanone said past Republican giants would be unimpressed with Kevin McCarthy.
“I think at night, when the lights are turned off, Abe Lincoln and Ronald Reagan have some pretty choice words to say about the fact that they have to hang on Kevin McCarthy’s wall,” Fanone said.
“They did some fucking above-average things. And they’ve got to adorn the wall of this fucking weasel bitch named Kevin McCarthy, with his fake fucking spray-on tan, whose fucking claim to fame, at least in my eyes, is the fact that he amassed a collection of Donald Trump’s favorite-flavored Starburst, put them in a Mason jar, and presented them to fucking Donald Trump.
“What the fuck, dude?”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/02/michael-fanone-capitol-attack-officer-kevin-mccarthy-republicans-trump
Donald Trump has sued cable TV network CNN, claiming defamation and seeking punitive damages of $475m, according to a Florida court filing on Monday.
The US cable news station has attempted to smear the former US president “with a series of ever-more scandalous, false, and defamatory labels of ‘racist,’ ‘Russian lackey,’ ‘insurrectionist,’ and ultimately ‘Hitler’,” Trump’s lawyers claimed. The lawsuit has been filed in federal court in Fort Lauderdale.
“Beyond simply highlighting any negative information about the plaintiff and ignoring all positive information about him, CNN has sought to use its massive influence, purportedly as a ‘trusted’ news source, to defame the plaintiff in the minds of its viewers and readers for the purpose of defeating him politically,” the filing states.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/03/trump-sues-cnn-defamation-punitive-damages
Trump: ‘Democrats cheat like dogs.’
sarahs mum said:
Trump: ‘Democrats cheat like dogs.’
Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
why do people cheer? why do they not just get up and leave?
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: ‘Democrats cheat like dogs.’
Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
why do people cheer? why do they not just get up and leave?
Because they are of very limited intelligence and the intelligent conservatives lack a spine.
Trump Sues CNN for Defamation, Saying Network Fears He’ll Run in 2024
Former president seeking at least $475 million in damages
CNN falsely labeled Trump as ‘insurrectionist,’ lawsuit says
more…
hmm 475 million…just a bit more than those who voted for him.
List of lawsuits involving Donald Trump
He likes his lawsuits doesn’t he.
If anyone is interested, Planet America started again last week. We missed it. Tonight we watched the latest one on iView. Tomorrow we will watch last week’s one.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Trump Sues CNN for Defamation, Saying Network Fears He’ll Run in 2024Former president seeking at least $475 million in damages
CNN falsely labeled Trump as ‘insurrectionist,’ lawsuit says
more…
hmm 475 million…just a bit more than those who voted for him.
List of lawsuits involving Donald Trump
He likes his lawsuits doesn’t he.
he’s running an estimated 4 mill a month in legal expenses.
buffy said:
If anyone is interested, Planet America started again last week. We missed it. Tonight we watched the latest one on iView. Tomorrow we will watch last week’s one.
The Circus is back on, if you get Stan.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: ‘Democrats cheat like dogs.’
Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: ‘Democrats cheat like dogs.’
Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
dv said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
Maybe he’s a cat lover.
dv said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
He doesn’t like dawgs.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Kingy said:Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
He doesn’t like dawgs.
Some dogs are sneaky but do they cheat?
dv said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/donald-trump-dogs
“President William McKinley didn’t have a dog – although he did have a parrot that could whistle “Yankee Doodle” – but McKinley left office in 1901 following his death.”
Well, thank goodness for that! Imagine if he hadn’t left.
Anyway, I knew a blue budgie that could whistle Yankee Doodle.
i had a galah that could say’ scratch cocky’s arse with a crowbar’
And no. I did not teach it to say that.
sarahs mum said:
i had a galah that could say’ scratch cocky’s arse with a crowbar’And no. I did not teach it to say that.
I just saw a Humans of New York post that featured an umbrella cockatoo biting his human’s ass.
““He doesn’t love me, that’s for sure. You can project human qualities onto these things until they bite your ass cheek. He bit my ass cheek. Middle of the night, wife asleep in the bed, I bend over to pick something up, and he bites me right on the ass. He’s very dangerous if he doesn’t get his way. If you aren’t accommodating his wishes, he can screech you right into the ground. He won’t go in his cage. Our entire apartment is filled with driftwood from the Hudson. He likes to sit on the driftwood when he watches TV. He’ll take food off our plates. If anyone is talking, he has to be there. He wants to be part of everything. And the worst part is they won’t die. They live to be 80 or 100. You know the saying: ‘This too shall pass’? Not the umbrella cockatoo. This too, shall not pass. There’s no hope. That’s the horror of it. I told this to a nine-year old girl in the park. This girl was a genius. She says: ‘You’ll never have to say goodbye. You have an infinite pet.’ It was the darkest thing I’ve ever heard.””
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
i had a galah that could say’ scratch cocky’s arse with a crowbar’And no. I did not teach it to say that.
I just saw a Humans of New York post that featured an umbrella cockatoo biting his human’s ass.
““He doesn’t love me, that’s for sure. You can project human qualities onto these things until they bite your ass cheek. He bit my ass cheek. Middle of the night, wife asleep in the bed, I bend over to pick something up, and he bites me right on the ass. He’s very dangerous if he doesn’t get his way. If you aren’t accommodating his wishes, he can screech you right into the ground. He won’t go in his cage. Our entire apartment is filled with driftwood from the Hudson. He likes to sit on the driftwood when he watches TV. He’ll take food off our plates. If anyone is talking, he has to be there. He wants to be part of everything. And the worst part is they won’t die. They live to be 80 or 100. You know the saying: ‘This too shall pass’? Not the umbrella cockatoo. This too, shall not pass. There’s no hope. That’s the horror of it. I told this to a nine-year old girl in the park. This girl was a genius. She says: ‘You’ll never have to say goodbye. You have an infinite pet.’ It was the darkest thing I’ve ever heard.””
Jo used to attack my mother.she would latch onto the small of my mother’s back, flap her wings and screech.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
i had a galah that could say’ scratch cocky’s arse with a crowbar’And no. I did not teach it to say that.
I just saw a Humans of New York post that featured an umbrella cockatoo biting his human’s ass.
““He doesn’t love me, that’s for sure. You can project human qualities onto these things until they bite your ass cheek. He bit my ass cheek. Middle of the night, wife asleep in the bed, I bend over to pick something up, and he bites me right on the ass. He’s very dangerous if he doesn’t get his way. If you aren’t accommodating his wishes, he can screech you right into the ground. He won’t go in his cage. Our entire apartment is filled with driftwood from the Hudson. He likes to sit on the driftwood when he watches TV. He’ll take food off our plates. If anyone is talking, he has to be there. He wants to be part of everything. And the worst part is they won’t die. They live to be 80 or 100. You know the saying: ‘This too shall pass’? Not the umbrella cockatoo. This too, shall not pass. There’s no hope. That’s the horror of it. I told this to a nine-year old girl in the park. This girl was a genius. She says: ‘You’ll never have to say goodbye. You have an infinite pet.’ It was the darkest thing I’ve ever heard.””
ROFL
SWMBO is right into Humans of New York.
sarahs mum said:
Jo used to attack my mother.she would latch onto the small of my mother’s back, flap her wings and screech.
That’s an odd target for a bird.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:Jo used to attack my mother.she would latch onto the small of my mother’s back, flap her wings and screech.
That’s an odd target for a bird.
she would hang out on the top of an open door and make her move as mum walked past.
mum would scream. the bird would screech.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
i had a galah that could say’ scratch cocky’s arse with a crowbar’And no. I did not teach it to say that.
I just saw a Humans of New York post that featured an umbrella cockatoo biting his human’s ass.
““He doesn’t love me, that’s for sure. You can project human qualities onto these things until they bite your ass cheek. He bit my ass cheek. Middle of the night, wife asleep in the bed, I bend over to pick something up, and he bites me right on the ass. He’s very dangerous if he doesn’t get his way. If you aren’t accommodating his wishes, he can screech you right into the ground. He won’t go in his cage. Our entire apartment is filled with driftwood from the Hudson. He likes to sit on the driftwood when he watches TV. He’ll take food off our plates. If anyone is talking, he has to be there. He wants to be part of everything. And the worst part is they won’t die. They live to be 80 or 100. You know the saying: ‘This too shall pass’? Not the umbrella cockatoo. This too, shall not pass. There’s no hope. That’s the horror of it. I told this to a nine-year old girl in the park. This girl was a genius. She says: ‘You’ll never have to say goodbye. You have an infinite pet.’ It was the darkest thing I’ve ever heard.””
Huh!
Umbrella Cockatoo. TIL.
Thanks.
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Trump: ‘Democrats cheat like dogs.’
Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
To be fair, many US Democrats do support abortion after birth in some circumstances, but I’m pretty sure that the proportion of Republicans who support it is higher.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
To be fair, many US Democrats do support abortion after birth in some circumstances, but I’m pretty sure that the proportion of Republicans who support it is higher.
John Wilkes Booth & Lee Harvey Oswald were both in favour.
dv said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
They tried that. He ended up confusing “canines” with “Canaanites” which pissed off the Jews no end.
esselte said:
dv said:
Kingy said:Only for DJT though.
Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
They tried that. He ended up confusing “canines” with “Canaanites” which pissed off the Jews no end.
Tamb said:
esselte said:
dv said:Why is he always using the dogs metaphor? Get him a fucking thesaurus.
They tried that. He ended up confusing “canines” with “Canaanites” which pissed off the Jews no end.
Even he’s smart enough to know those saurus things died out years ago.
LOL
esselte said:
Tamb said:
esselte said:They tried that. He ended up confusing “canines” with “Canaanites” which pissed off the Jews no end.
Even he’s smart enough to know those saurus things died out years ago.LOL
He probably heard it in a song, “Who lets the dogs out ?, woo woo woo”
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:Also the Democrats support abortion after birth.
Only for DJT though.
To be fair, many US Democrats do support abortion after birth in some circumstances, but I’m pretty sure that the proportion of Republicans who support it is higher.
what about indiscriminate schoolyard abortion
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:Only for DJT though.
To be fair, many US Democrats do support abortion after birth in some circumstances, but I’m pretty sure that the proportion of Republicans who support it is higher.
what about indiscriminate schoolyard abortion
They happily supply these abortionists with the weaponry to do so with.
Herschel Walker’s son calls candidate a liar and hypocrite over abortion denial
Christian Walker says Republican candidate for Senate in Georgia lied about paying for former girlfriend’s termination in 2009
The son of Georgia’s Republican US Senate hopeful Herschel Walker called his father a liar and a hypocrite after a media report alleged that the candidate, who has publicly opposed abortion rights, paid for an abortion for a former girlfriend in 2009.
The Daily Beast reported on Monday that Walker, a former pro football player, paid to end the ex-girlfriend’s pregnancy when the couple was dating by depositing a $700 check into her bank account for the procedure. Walker vehemently denies the allegations and has threatened to sue the news outlet for defamation.
Walker’s son, Christian Walker, was unimpressed by his father’s denials.
“I don’t care about someone who has a bad past and takes accountability,” Christian Walker said in a tweet. “But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/christian-walker-son-herschel-abortion-hypocrite
His son has put out kind of any angry video on twitter about it.
https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577284445367042049?t=34abaGpc8Q6nskd1DM_oRw&s=19
dv said:
Herschel Walker’s son calls candidate a liar and hypocrite over abortion denialChristian Walker says Republican candidate for Senate in Georgia lied about paying for former girlfriend’s termination in 2009
The son of Georgia’s Republican US Senate hopeful Herschel Walker called his father a liar and a hypocrite after a media report alleged that the candidate, who has publicly opposed abortion rights, paid for an abortion for a former girlfriend in 2009.
The Daily Beast reported on Monday that Walker, a former pro football player, paid to end the ex-girlfriend’s pregnancy when the couple was dating by depositing a $700 check into her bank account for the procedure. Walker vehemently denies the allegations and has threatened to sue the news outlet for defamation.
Walker’s son, Christian Walker, was unimpressed by his father’s denials.
“I don’t care about someone who has a bad past and takes accountability,” Christian Walker said in a tweet. “But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/christian-walker-son-herschel-abortion-hypocrite
His son has put out kind of any angry video on twitter about it.
https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577284445367042049?t=34abaGpc8Q6nskd1DM_oRw&s=19
“But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
How dare Christians act like they are moral and upright
Cymek said:
dv said:
Herschel Walker’s son calls candidate a liar and hypocrite over abortion denialChristian Walker says Republican candidate for Senate in Georgia lied about paying for former girlfriend’s termination in 2009
The son of Georgia’s Republican US Senate hopeful Herschel Walker called his father a liar and a hypocrite after a media report alleged that the candidate, who has publicly opposed abortion rights, paid for an abortion for a former girlfriend in 2009.
The Daily Beast reported on Monday that Walker, a former pro football player, paid to end the ex-girlfriend’s pregnancy when the couple was dating by depositing a $700 check into her bank account for the procedure. Walker vehemently denies the allegations and has threatened to sue the news outlet for defamation.
Walker’s son, Christian Walker, was unimpressed by his father’s denials.
“I don’t care about someone who has a bad past and takes accountability,” Christian Walker said in a tweet. “But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/christian-walker-son-herschel-abortion-hypocrite
His son has put out kind of any angry video on twitter about it.
https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577284445367042049?t=34abaGpc8Q6nskd1DM_oRw&s=19“But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
How dare Christians act like they are moral and upright
I think Christians are just as likely to be moral and upright as a person of another or no religious identification.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
Herschel Walker’s son calls candidate a liar and hypocrite over abortion denialChristian Walker says Republican candidate for Senate in Georgia lied about paying for former girlfriend’s termination in 2009
The son of Georgia’s Republican US Senate hopeful Herschel Walker called his father a liar and a hypocrite after a media report alleged that the candidate, who has publicly opposed abortion rights, paid for an abortion for a former girlfriend in 2009.
The Daily Beast reported on Monday that Walker, a former pro football player, paid to end the ex-girlfriend’s pregnancy when the couple was dating by depositing a $700 check into her bank account for the procedure. Walker vehemently denies the allegations and has threatened to sue the news outlet for defamation.
Walker’s son, Christian Walker, was unimpressed by his father’s denials.
“I don’t care about someone who has a bad past and takes accountability,” Christian Walker said in a tweet. “But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/christian-walker-son-herschel-abortion-hypocrite
His son has put out kind of any angry video on twitter about it.
https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577284445367042049?t=34abaGpc8Q6nskd1DM_oRw&s=19“But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
How dare Christians act like they are moral and upright
I think Christians are just as likely to be moral and upright as a person of another or no religious identification.
Many seem to think they are exclusively moral and upright though
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:“But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
How dare Christians act like they are moral and upright
I think Christians are just as likely to be moral and upright as a person of another or no religious identification.
Many seem to think they are exclusively moral and upright though
Even when they are hypocrites.
dv said:
Herschel Walker’s son calls candidate a liar and hypocrite over abortion denialChristian Walker says Republican candidate for Senate in Georgia lied about paying for former girlfriend’s termination in 2009
The son of Georgia’s Republican US Senate hopeful Herschel Walker called his father a liar and a hypocrite after a media report alleged that the candidate, who has publicly opposed abortion rights, paid for an abortion for a former girlfriend in 2009.
The Daily Beast reported on Monday that Walker, a former pro football player, paid to end the ex-girlfriend’s pregnancy when the couple was dating by depositing a $700 check into her bank account for the procedure. Walker vehemently denies the allegations and has threatened to sue the news outlet for defamation.
Walker’s son, Christian Walker, was unimpressed by his father’s denials.
“I don’t care about someone who has a bad past and takes accountability,” Christian Walker said in a tweet. “But how DARE YOU LIE and act as though you’re some ‘moral, Christian, upright man.’”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/christian-walker-son-herschel-abortion-hypocrite
His son has put out kind of any angry video on twitter about it.
https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577284445367042049?t=34abaGpc8Q6nskd1DM_oRw&s=19
Ha!
Trump campaign lawyers mocked him for being broke in newly-revealed emails
One Trump attorney writes that he was doing his part for Mr Trump by ‘lining his empty pockets’
Attorneys working for former president Donald Trump’s failed 2020 re-election campaign mocked his lack of financial liquidity and his rampant violation of the US Constitution in emails released in a court filing by the House January 6 select committee.
The panel has been engaged in a court battle to obtain emails from John Eastman, the ex-Chapman University law professor who formulated plans for Mr Trump to overturn the election with fake slates of electoral votes, and other attorneys working with the campaign.
Mr Marks replied that it was “a shame” Mr Chesebro was not in Washington at Mr Trump’s hotel so he could “contribute to violation of the emoluments clause” of the US Constitution.
In one email, Mr Chesebro wrote: “Am at Trump NYC, so I’m extra to work on the cases!!”
Committee lawyers said Mr Eastman’s emails show his “representations regarding the nature or content of the remaining 562 documents are unreliable” and asked the judge to allow them access under the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-lawyers-mock-money-emails-b2195267.html
Always with the sensible actions! What’s up with this bloke?
captain_spalding said:
Always with the sensible actions! What’s up with this bloke?
Waste of court time as well
captain_spalding said:
Always with the sensible actions! What’s up with this bloke?
captain_spalding said:
Always with the sensible actions! What’s up with this bloke?
Background story
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Always with the sensible actions! What’s up with this bloke?
Background story
so they’ve run out of healthy workers to bring to the front line and it’s time to mobilise the criminals
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Always with the sensible actions! What’s up with this bloke?
Background story
so they’ve run out of healthy workers to bring to the front line and it’s time to mobilise the criminals
Sorry to inform you but they are no longer classed as criminals.
Proud Boys Leader Pleads Guilty To Seditious Conspiracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnpGcaw1B1o
Such a weirdo.
dv said:
Such a weirdo.
One of the things I think about, with regard to many people, is their brain development during their life when they eat such a shitty diet.
‘Let me start off with two words: made in America,’ Biden intoned at an event at the Volvo Group Powertrain facility in Hagerstown.
Still he only had one job, beat Trump, he’s done that.
He can go as gaga as he wants now.
Peak Warming Man said:
‘Let me start off with two words: made in America,’ Biden intoned at an event at the Volvo Group Powertrain facility in Hagerstown.Still he only had one job, beat Trump, he’s done that.
He can go as gaga as he wants now.
Maybe he thinks madein is one word?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
‘Let me start off with two words: made in America,’ Biden intoned at an event at the Volvo Group Powertrain facility in Hagerstown.Still he only had one job, beat Trump, he’s done that.
He can go as gaga as he wants now.
Maybe he thinks madein is one word?
Madeins are pretty hard to find in America these days.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
‘Let me start off with two words: made in America,’ Biden intoned at an event at the Volvo Group Powertrain facility in Hagerstown.Still he only had one job, beat Trump, he’s done that.
He can go as gaga as he wants now.
Maybe he thinks madein is one word?
Madeins are pretty hard to find in America these days.
:) They all been bowled over?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Maybe he thinks madein is one word?
Madeins are pretty hard to find in America these days.
:) They all been bowled over?
he started with two words, exactly as he said, did he say the whole lot was only two words
all you pedantic blastopores
Peak Warming Man said:
‘Let me start off with two words: made in America,’ Biden intoned at an event at the Volvo Group Powertrain facility in Hagerstown.Still he only had one job, beat Trump, he’s done that.
He can go as gaga as he wants now.
Give the guy a break.
He was giving a speech on the economy, and he was being economical with his words.
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.
The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
Senate candidate Kari Lake of Arizona’s latest campaign advertisement featured a promise to “secure our borders” — a standard policy for a Republican running in a border states — but her ad had the unusual distinction of featuring Russian soldiers.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kari-lake-russian-stock-footage-ad-b2198106.html
dv said:
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
But, that’s it. You’re in possession of a substance which has to have been produced and sold illegally. That is your ‘crime’, and it’s the tax law that makes it so. What that substance is is to some degree secondary. The same approach could be applied to e.g. pistachio nuts.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
Cannabis was officially outlawed in USA for any use (medical included) with the passage of the 1970 Controlled Substances Act.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
President Joe Biden’s stunning announcement Thursday that he would pardon marijuana offenders and that his administration would reform federal law comes after decades of inaction by Congress despite growing popular support for cannabis legalization.The House of Representatives earlier this year passed a bill to legalize marijuana but the measure stalled in the Senate amid opposition from Republicans and even some Democrats, such as Sens. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-marijuana-reform_n_633f3c90e4b08e0e6076db97
IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
Cannabis was officially outlawed in USA for any use (medical included) with the passage of the 1970 Controlled Substances Act.
As i said, IIRC, and it seeems that I did RC up to 1970.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937
You don’t understand.
Captain spalding has said that cannabis has never been illegal.
Possession of marijuana has been and remains a crime in many states.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937
You don’t understand.
Captain spalding has said that cannabis has never been illegal.
Possession of marijuana has been and remains a crime in many states.
I do. I was just posting the relevant tax act for people illumination.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
But, that’s it. You’re in possession of a substance which has to have been produced and sold illegally. That is your ‘crime’, and it’s the tax law that makes it so. What that substance is is to some degree secondary. The same approach could be applied to e.g. pistachio nuts.
That appears to be incorrect, at least in some cases. The Texas statutes that criminalise cannabis appear to stand on their own, not referring to the Federal prohibition. In Nebraska the prohibition pre-dates the Federal prohibition by decades.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
But, that’s it. You’re in possession of a substance which has to have been produced and sold illegally. That is your ‘crime’, and it’s the tax law that makes it so. What that substance is is to some degree secondary. The same approach could be applied to e.g. pistachio nuts.
That appears to be incorrect, at least in some cases. The Texas statutes that criminalise cannabis appear to stand on their own, not referring to the Federal prohibition. In Nebraska the prohibition pre-dates the Federal prohibition by decades.
Wasn’t aware of that. Looks like they were keen to get you coming and going.
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:IIRC, cannabis has never actually been illegal.
But, the US federal govt saw it as a problem back in the 1930s, and decided on a devious ploy.
There’s nothing wrong with producing cannabis provided that you have the appropriate tax stamp to show that you’ve paid the required fee to the government.
But, the federal government simply declined to issue such tax stamps.
Therefore, any cannabis produced, or in the possession of persons, had to have been produced and sold illegally, in violation of tax law..
Cannabis was officially outlawed in USA for any use (medical included) with the passage of the 1970 Controlled Substances Act.
As i said, IIRC, and it seeems that I did RC up to 1970.
It was only a controlled substance due to the initial tax law. Once was in that class it was easy to puy it on par with narcotics.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I don’t know what you mean. Possession of marijuana is punishable by many years of imprisonment in several states. Quite unrelated to any production regulation.
But, that’s it. You’re in possession of a substance which has to have been produced and sold illegally. That is your ‘crime’, and it’s the tax law that makes it so. What that substance is is to some degree secondary. The same approach could be applied to e.g. pistachio nuts.
That appears to be incorrect, at least in some cases. The Texas statutes that criminalise cannabis appear to stand on their own, not referring to the Federal prohibition. In Nebraska the prohibition pre-dates the Federal prohibition by decades.
Yes. Though it is called the United States, they each have their own rules. Often in conflict with those of other states.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:But, that’s it. You’re in possession of a substance which has to have been produced and sold illegally. That is your ‘crime’, and it’s the tax law that makes it so. What that substance is is to some degree secondary. The same approach could be applied to e.g. pistachio nuts.
That appears to be incorrect, at least in some cases. The Texas statutes that criminalise cannabis appear to stand on their own, not referring to the Federal prohibition. In Nebraska the prohibition pre-dates the Federal prohibition by decades.
Yes. Though it is called the United States, they each have their own rules. Often in conflict with those of other states.
I mean, the same happens here…
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:That appears to be incorrect, at least in some cases. The Texas statutes that criminalise cannabis appear to stand on their own, not referring to the Federal prohibition. In Nebraska the prohibition pre-dates the Federal prohibition by decades.
Yes. Though it is called the United States, they each have their own rules. Often in conflict with those of other states.
I mean, the same happens here…
Yes. Maybe with out all the pomp of patriotism?
Justice Department Asking if Trump Stashed Documents in Trump Tower
Investigators have quizzed multiple witnesses about whether Trump is holding sensitive government documents at other properties outside Mar-a-Lago, including at his Manhattan tower and his New Jersey club
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-maralago-raid-fbi-tower-bedminster-1234607008/
captain_spalding said:
Justice Department Asking if Trump Stashed Documents in Trump Tower
Investigators have quizzed multiple witnesses about whether Trump is holding sensitive government documents at other properties outside Mar-a-Lago, including at his Manhattan tower and his New Jersey club
what, months after they saw what happened at the club
well we suppose incompetence no snow bounds
captain_spalding said:
Justice Department Asking if Trump Stashed Documents in Trump Tower
Investigators have quizzed multiple witnesses about whether Trump is holding sensitive government documents at other properties outside Mar-a-Lago, including at his Manhattan tower and his New Jersey clubhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-maralago-raid-fbi-tower-bedminster-1234607008/
We know that they know that he has more papers. We don’t know how many. But I think they do.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Justice Department Asking if Trump Stashed Documents in Trump Tower
Investigators have quizzed multiple witnesses about whether Trump is holding sensitive government documents at other properties outside Mar-a-Lago, including at his Manhattan tower and his New Jersey clubhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-maralago-raid-fbi-tower-bedminster-1234607008/
We know that they know that he has more papers. We don’t know how many. But I think they do.
Ivana’s going to be pushing up something, and it may not be daisies.
‘Trump plotted to trade Mar-a-Lago files for ‘sensitive documents’ about his 2016 campaign Russia ties: report ‘
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-doj-documents/
Related/linked story:
How Trump Deflected Demands for Documents, Enmeshing Aides
https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/08/how-trump-deflected-demands-for-documents-enmeshing-aides/
Same story appeared in New York Times, Seattle Times, DNYUZ, and other sites/papers.
captain_spalding said:
‘Trump plotted to trade Mar-a-Lago files for ‘sensitive documents’ about his 2016 campaign Russia ties: report ‘https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-doj-documents/
Related/linked story:
How Trump Deflected Demands for Documents, Enmeshing Aides
https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/08/how-trump-deflected-demands-for-documents-enmeshing-aides/
Same story appeared in New York Times, Seattle Times, DNYUZ, and other sites/papers.
Also linked in, and numerous other news outlets.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told former police officer that Capitol rioters should be shot in head
“You guys should have shot them all in the head,” the now ex-cop, Michael Fanone, says the South Carolina Republican told him at a meeting in May 2021, four months after the deadly attack on Congress.
“We gave you guys guns, and you should have used them. I don’t understand why that didn’t happen.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/07/trump-lindsey-graham-michael-fanone-capitol-rioters-shot-head-book
https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/lindsey-graham-told-an-officer-who-was-beaten-with-a-flag-pole-during-the-capitol-attack-that-he-should-have-shot-rioters-in-the-head-new-book-reveals/articleshow/94731990.cms
‘Oh, no, the peasantry that we mobilised with our bullshit is directly threatening us! Guards, guards, shoot them down!’
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
‘Trump plotted to trade Mar-a-Lago files for ‘sensitive documents’ about his 2016 campaign Russia ties: report ‘https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-doj-documents/
Related/linked story:
How Trump Deflected Demands for Documents, Enmeshing Aides
https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/08/how-trump-deflected-demands-for-documents-enmeshing-aides/
Same story appeared in New York Times, Seattle Times, DNYUZ, and other sites/papers.
Also linked in, and numerous other news outlets.
Fergus Laing is a beast of a man
He stitches up and fleeces
He wants to manicure the world
And sell it off in pieces
He likes to build his towers high
He blocks the sun out from the sky
In the penthouse the champagne’s dry
And slightly gassy
Fergus Laing, he works so hard
As busy as a bee is
Fergus Laing has 17 friends
All as dull as he is
His 17 friends have 17 wives
All the perfect shape and size
They wag their tails and bat their eyes
Just like Lassie
Fergus Laing he builds and builds
Yet small is his erection
Fergus Laing has a fine head of hair
When the wind’s in the right direction
Fergus Laing and his 17 friends
They live inside a bubble
There they withdraw and shut the door
At any sign of trouble
Should the peasants wail and vent
And ask him where the money went
He’ll simply say, it’s all been spent
On being classy
Fergus’ buildings reach the sky
Until you cannot see ‘um
He thinks the old stuff he pulls down
Belongs in a museum
His fits are famous on the scene
The shortest fuse, so cruel, so mean
But don’t call him a drama queen
Like Shirley Bassey
Fergus Laing he flaunts the law
But one day he’ll be wired
And as they drag him off to jail
We’ll all shout, “You’re fired!”
‘Trump Blames U.S. for ‘Almost Forcing’ Putin to Invade Ukraine’
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-blames-us-almost-forcing-putin-invade-ukraine-1750145
captain_spalding said:
‘Trump Blames U.S. for ‘Almost Forcing’ Putin to Invade Ukraine’https://www.newsweek.com/trump-blames-us-almost-forcing-putin-invade-ukraine-1750145
Jesus fucking
Kingy said:
LOLOLOL…just watched a piece on MSNBC or something featuring a short soundbite of MTG calling for a civil war.
Then I just heard automatic gunfire somewhere in the neighborhood. About 6 rounds of 4 to 5 shots. Gracie is not happy, she thinks it is fireworks.
Also Mike Flynn saying that state governors can declare war, according to the constitution.
Luckily the weather is cooling down and I can pack faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PKVhQ1nQIc
Brian Tyler Cohen
Trump Nevada rally. Crowd size at the January 6 insurrection. Stolen yada yada, Clinton, Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
sarahs mum said:
The New York Times
22 m ·
One year after President Biden became the first U.S. president to formally commemorate Indigenous Peoples’ Day, more than a dozen states recognize some version of the holiday in lieu of Columbus Day.
so more than less than a quarter then
Mark Meadows told Biden’s incoming chief of staff, Ron Klain, during the presidential transition that ‘no president’ received a daily intelligence briefing, book says
In November 2020, then-President Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, told then-President-elect Joe Biden’s incoming White House chief of staff, Ron Klain, that “no president” received a daily intelligence briefing after the longtime Democratic aide told his GOP counterpart that Biden wanted to be briefed daily, a new book by the New York Times journalist Maggie Haberman says.
The transition between the administrations of Trump and Biden had already been rocky, as Trump refused to concede the race in public, and his campaign attorneys were still trying to figure out ways to overturn the results in several swing states.
Meadows, a former GOP congressman from North Carolina, and Klain, a longtime confidant of Biden who had been a chief of staff to both Vice President Al Gore and Biden when he was vice president, were in communication to work together in navigating the transition process.
But Trump’s continued insistence that he had won the election complicated the situation, the book, “Confidence Man,” says.
The Times’ report said Trump often eschewed reading through detailed reports but was attracted to graphics, charts, and other data-driven visuals.
In November 2020, after Biden had been declared the president-elect by virtually every major news outlet, Klain informed Meadows that Biden needed to begin getting the daily intelligence briefing, according to Haberman’s book.
“How many days a week is Vice President Biden gonna want this daily brief?” Meadows asked, the book says.
Klain was taken aback by the question, telling Meadows that Biden — a chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during his days in the upper chamber — would want to get a briefing daily.
https://www.businessinsider.com/meadows-klain-trump-biden-presidential-transition-daily-intelligence-briefing-book-2022-10
Fact check: Trump falsely claims George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and Chinese restaurant
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/10/politics/fact-check-trump-documents-george-hw-bush-bowling-chinese-clinton/index.html
— First, former President Donald Trump tried a false claim about the document-handling practices of former President Barack Obama. Now, Trump is making the same false claim about other former presidents.In August, after the FBI recovered classified documents and numerous other presidential records from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and resort in Florida, Trump declared that Obama had taken millions of presidential documents to Chicago. The National Archives and Records Administration quickly debunked his assertion, explaining it was NARA itself, not Obama, that took the documents to a NARA-managed facility in the Chicago area.
Then, at a rally in Arizona on Sunday, Trump not only repeated the false claim about Obama but added near-identical dishonesty about previous presidents George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
Most dramatically, Trump said, “George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and a former Chinese restaurant; where they combined them. So they’re in a bowling alley slash Chinese restaurant.” Trump added, “A Chinese restaurant and a bowling alley. With no security and a broken front door.”
Trump also claimed that “Bill Clinton took millions of documents from the White House to a former car dealership in Arkansas” and that “George W. Bush stored 68 million pages in a warehouse in Texas.”
Facts First: All of these Trump claims are false. George H.W. Bush did not take millions of documents to a former bowling alley and Chinese restaurant. Rather, the National Archives and Records Administration took Bush’s presidential documents to this facility prior to the opening of the Bush presidential library in the same city. Trump’s claims about Clinton and George W. Bush are inaccurate in precisely the same way: NARA, not the former presidents themselves, put the documents in temporary storage at NARA-managed facilities at the former car dealership in Arkansas and the warehouse in Texas. And Trump was also wrong that there was “no security” at the facility where the elder Bush’s documents were housed: the facility was heavily secured, according to a news report at the time.
So there is no equivalence between Trump’s handling of presidential documents and those of his predecessors. In the others’ cases, the presidential documents were in NARA’s possession and stored securely and professionally. In Trump’s case, the presidential documents found in haphazard amateur storage at Mar-a-Lago were in Trump’s own possession, despite numerous attempts by both NARA and the Justice Department to get them back.
Trump’s claims about George H.W. Bush
At the Sunday rally, Trump urged the authorities to “look into what took place” with George H.W. Bush and presidential documents. But there is nothing of substance to investigate: the National Archives and Records Administration has been forthright since the 1990s about where it temporarily stored Bush documents before his permanent library opened. In fact, the NARA official who was in charge of the transition of the Bush documents to the permanent library publicly joked about the temporary facility at the time.
“I’ve told reporters this for the last four years: It’s not just a bowling alley; it’s a bowling alley and a Chinese restaurant,” David Alsobrook said.
While the temporary College Station, Texas, location made for a fun story, there was nothing unusual about NARA’s use of such a building. NARA needs lots of space to house presidential documents before presidents’ permanent libraries are built, so it finds and modifies large nearby facilities that often have formerly housed other activities.
Someone listening to Trump’s rally comments might have pictured documents from the first Bush administration being scattered carelessly in bowling lanes. But that’s not what happened. The Washington Post reported in 1993: “There aren’t any lanes anymore. No gutters, no pins, no beer. Thanks to a rush remodeling job after last November’s election, there are a few simple offices, a massive, fire-resistant vault and row after row of steel shelves filled with cardboard boxes and wooden crates.”
There was also extensive security. The Associated Press reported in 1994: “Uniformed guards patrol the premises. There are closed-circuit television monitors and sophisticated electronic detectors along walls and doors. Some printed material is classified and will remain so for years; it is open only to those with top-secret clearances.”
Robert Holzweiss, who began working on the George H.W. Bush library in 1996 and is now deputy director, told People magazine for an article in early 2022: “When I got involved the temporary facility for the Bush museum was in College Station, Texas, in an old bowling alley. Without the alleys it was perfect, it was like a warehouse. They just built a secure space within to house the classified material.”
Bush died in 2018. His son Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor who ran against Trump in 2016 for the Republican presidential nomination, wrote on Twitter in response to Trump’s Sunday claim about the late president: “I am so confused. My dad enjoyed a good Chinese meal and enjoyed the challenge of 7 10 split. What the heck is up with you?”
Trump’s false claims about Bill Clinton and George W. Bush
Trump’s claims at the rally about former presidents Clinton and George W. Bush are false for the exact same reason as Trump’s claims about Obama and the elder Bush are false.
That former Balch Motor Company building in Little Rock, Arkansas, where millions of Clinton presidential documents were stored? Again, it was the National Archives and Records Administration that took the documents to this facility, which NARA managed, in advance of the opening of Clinton’s library in the same city.
That warehouse in Lewisville, Texas where millions of the younger Bush’s presidential documents were stored? It was a NARA-managed facility, used to store documents while Bush’s permanent library was being readied in nearby Dallas.
dv said:
Fact check: Trump falsely claims George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and Chinese restauranthttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/10/politics/fact-check-trump-documents-george-hw-bush-bowling-chinese-clinton/index.html
— First, former President Donald Trump tried a false claim about the document-handling practices of former President Barack Obama. Now, Trump is making the same false claim about other former presidents.In August, after the FBI recovered classified documents and numerous other presidential records from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and resort in Florida, Trump declared that Obama had taken millions of presidential documents to Chicago. The National Archives and Records Administration quickly debunked his assertion, explaining it was NARA itself, not Obama, that took the documents to a NARA-managed facility in the Chicago area.
Then, at a rally in Arizona on Sunday, Trump not only repeated the false claim about Obama but added near-identical dishonesty about previous presidents George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
Most dramatically, Trump said, “George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and a former Chinese restaurant; where they combined them. So they’re in a bowling alley slash Chinese restaurant.” Trump added, “A Chinese restaurant and a bowling alley. With no security and a broken front door.”
Trump also claimed that “Bill Clinton took millions of documents from the White House to a former car dealership in Arkansas” and that “George W. Bush stored 68 million pages in a warehouse in Texas.”
Facts First: All of these Trump claims are false. George H.W. Bush did not take millions of documents to a former bowling alley and Chinese restaurant. Rather, the National Archives and Records Administration took Bush’s presidential documents to this facility prior to the opening of the Bush presidential library in the same city. Trump’s claims about Clinton and George W. Bush are inaccurate in precisely the same way: NARA, not the former presidents themselves, put the documents in temporary storage at NARA-managed facilities at the former car dealership in Arkansas and the warehouse in Texas. And Trump was also wrong that there was “no security” at the facility where the elder Bush’s documents were housed: the facility was heavily secured, according to a news report at the time.
So there is no equivalence between Trump’s handling of presidential documents and those of his predecessors. In the others’ cases, the presidential documents were in NARA’s possession and stored securely and professionally. In Trump’s case, the presidential documents found in haphazard amateur storage at Mar-a-Lago were in Trump’s own possession, despite numerous attempts by both NARA and the Justice Department to get them back.
Trump’s claims about George H.W. Bush
At the Sunday rally, Trump urged the authorities to “look into what took place” with George H.W. Bush and presidential documents. But there is nothing of substance to investigate: the National Archives and Records Administration has been forthright since the 1990s about where it temporarily stored Bush documents before his permanent library opened. In fact, the NARA official who was in charge of the transition of the Bush documents to the permanent library publicly joked about the temporary facility at the time.“I’ve told reporters this for the last four years: It’s not just a bowling alley; it’s a bowling alley and a Chinese restaurant,” David Alsobrook said.
While the temporary College Station, Texas, location made for a fun story, there was nothing unusual about NARA’s use of such a building. NARA needs lots of space to house presidential documents before presidents’ permanent libraries are built, so it finds and modifies large nearby facilities that often have formerly housed other activities.
Someone listening to Trump’s rally comments might have pictured documents from the first Bush administration being scattered carelessly in bowling lanes. But that’s not what happened. The Washington Post reported in 1993: “There aren’t any lanes anymore. No gutters, no pins, no beer. Thanks to a rush remodeling job after last November’s election, there are a few simple offices, a massive, fire-resistant vault and row after row of steel shelves filled with cardboard boxes and wooden crates.”
There was also extensive security. The Associated Press reported in 1994: “Uniformed guards patrol the premises. There are closed-circuit television monitors and sophisticated electronic detectors along walls and doors. Some printed material is classified and will remain so for years; it is open only to those with top-secret clearances.”
Robert Holzweiss, who began working on the George H.W. Bush library in 1996 and is now deputy director, told People magazine for an article in early 2022: “When I got involved the temporary facility for the Bush museum was in College Station, Texas, in an old bowling alley. Without the alleys it was perfect, it was like a warehouse. They just built a secure space within to house the classified material.”
Bush died in 2018. His son Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor who ran against Trump in 2016 for the Republican presidential nomination, wrote on Twitter in response to Trump’s Sunday claim about the late president: “I am so confused. My dad enjoyed a good Chinese meal and enjoyed the challenge of 7 10 split. What the heck is up with you?”
Trump’s false claims about Bill Clinton and George W. Bush
Trump’s claims at the rally about former presidents Clinton and George W. Bush are false for the exact same reason as Trump’s claims about Obama and the elder Bush are false.That former Balch Motor Company building in Little Rock, Arkansas, where millions of Clinton presidential documents were stored? Again, it was the National Archives and Records Administration that took the documents to this facility, which NARA managed, in advance of the opening of Clinton’s library in the same city.
That warehouse in Lewisville, Texas where millions of the younger Bush’s presidential documents were stored? It was a NARA-managed facility, used to store documents while Bush’s permanent library was being readied in nearby Dallas.
Blaming other people for his own actions.
kii said:
This NPR interview with Maggie Haberman is worth a listen, or a read of the transcript.
but is it mere click bait or does it come with more abstracted information
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
This NPR interview with Maggie Haberman is worth a listen, or a read of the transcript.
but is it mere click bait or does it come with more abstracted information
NPR does not do click bait.
kii said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
This NPR interview with Maggie Haberman is worth a listen, or a read of the transcript.
but is it mere click bait or does it come with more abstracted information
NPR does not do click bait.
no worries, so question is what abstracted information andor blurb did they provide with this linked page
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
SCIENCE said:
but is it mere click bait or does it come with more abstracted information
NPR does not do click bait.
no worries, so question is what abstracted information andor blurb did they provide with this linked page
Haberman talks about Trump’s tactics for dealing with the media and explains why he’s more concerned about the Mar-a-Lago documents than the Jan. 6 hearings. Her new book is Confidence Man.
thanks
SCIENCE said:
thanks
No worries
In this special report, MSNBC’s Ari Melber reports on the harrowing history of Rikers Island, New York City’s notorious jail complex – the second-largest jail facility in the country – and how it captures classism and double standards in American justice from innocent inmates to the contrast with other privileged defendants and some top aides to Donald Trump. The detention center now features overcrowded cells, extreme under-staffing, squalid living conditions, all contributing to a cycle of violence that creates more crime in a facility that’s meant to stop it. The report tracks broader issues in the U.S. criminal justice system that spans across multiple city administrations, both Democratic and Republican.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D35-c0JpdsA
One rule for the 16 year old black kid and one rule for Guiliani.
And as Republicans grow nervous about their prospects of retaking the Senate, especially after allegations that Georgia Republican nominee Herschel Walker paid for a woman to have an abortion 13 years ago, the GOP leader indicated his belief that the battle for the majority is a true “cliffhanger” and that it’s too early to know if the 2022 cycle will turn into a GOP debacle like 2010 and 2012 when lackluster general-election candidates cost his party a serious shot at the Senate majority.
“It was clearly a challenge in 2010 and 2012, with Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock,” McConnell said, referring to GOP candidates in Nevada, Delaware, Missouri and Indiana, respectively, who lost general election matchups. “So it was clearly a problem in 2010 and 2012. Whether it’s a challenge, whether it’s fatal or a big problem this year, we’ll find out” next month.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/11/politics/mitch-mcconnell-interview-midterm-cliffhanger/index.html
In referencing 2010 and 2012, MM is speaking of elections where Republicans underperformed in the Senate because of whacky or lacklustre candidates.
This is rather pleasing to see.
Connecticut Jury Orders Alex Jones and Infowars to Pay $965 Million to Sandy Hook Families
Spiny Norman said:
This is rather pleasing to see.Connecticut Jury Orders Alex Jones and Infowars to Pay $965 Million to Sandy Hook Families
Disclaimer ( I rarely listen to Alex Jones – he goes on too much, I scan commentary ). Since Alex was banned by thr west and kicked off major tech platforms he pops up elsewhere.
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
This is rather pleasing to see.Connecticut Jury Orders Alex Jones and Infowars to Pay $965 Million to Sandy Hook Families
Ive always found Alex Jones somewhat bombastic, some of the stuff he says comes true, sometime not. Last year he was forecasting “a great war” was being cooked up by the elites in Western civilisation. The theory being western govs want to depopulate their countries/ world due to environmental pressures. He was saying this in November.Disclaimer ( I rarely listen to Alex Jones – he goes on too much, I scan commentary ). Since Alex was banned by thr west and kicked off major tech platforms he pops up elsewhere.
So does black mold, but it doesn’t mean that it’s good to have around.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
This is rather pleasing to see.Connecticut Jury Orders Alex Jones and Infowars to Pay $965 Million to Sandy Hook Families
Ive always found Alex Jones somewhat bombastic, some of the stuff he says comes true, sometime not. Last year he was forecasting “a great war” was being cooked up by the elites in Western civilisation. The theory being western govs want to depopulate their countries/ world due to environmental pressures. He was saying this in November.Disclaimer ( I rarely listen to Alex Jones – he goes on too much, I scan commentary ). Since Alex was banned by thr west and kicked off major tech platforms he pops up elsewhere.
So does black mold, but it doesn’t mean that it’s good to have around.
To my knowledge AJ saw what was coming and moved his assets. They can sue him but he probably has no actual assets to seize directly
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
This is rather pleasing to see.Connecticut Jury Orders Alex Jones and Infowars to Pay $965 Million to Sandy Hook Families
Ive always found Alex Jones somewhat bombastic, some of the stuff he says comes true, sometime not. Last year he was forecasting “a great war” was being cooked up by the elites in Western civilisation. The theory being western govs want to depopulate their countries/ world due to environmental pressures. He was saying this in November.Disclaimer ( I rarely listen to Alex Jones – he goes on too much, I scan commentary ). Since Alex was banned by thr west and kicked off major tech platforms he pops up elsewhere.
So does black mold, but it doesn’t mean that it’s good to have around.
Black Mould
lol
Yes, its good to see, I wish they could go after bird brain Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wish they could go after bird brain Marjorie Taylor Greene.
well that’s hella unfair, plenty Aves have more intelligence than these faecoliths
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:I scan commentary ).So does black mold, but it doesn’t mean that it’s good to have around.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Heh!
:)
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Heh!
:)
I’m still wondering where the bible fits in here.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Heh!
:)
I’m still wondering where the bible fits in here.
Hopefully, sideways up a certain orifice of hers.
The New York Times
11 m ·
Breaking News: Donald Trump formed a new company days before a fraud lawsuit was filed against him, a move that the New York attorney general questioned. The new company will be known as the Trump Organization II.
My favourite TV series is on – The January 6th Hearings.
kii said:
My favourite TV series is on – The January 6th Hearings.
Ooh, is it happening again? We don’t watch them specifically, but Planet America will summarize for us next episode.
Supreme Court knocks back Trump’s request for intervention
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/supreme-court-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html
The bipartisan Jan 6 committee unanimously votes to subpoena Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/october-jan-6-hearing-takeaways/index.html
dv said:
Supreme Court knocks back Trump’s request for interventionhttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/supreme-court-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html
The bipartisan Jan 6 committee unanimously votes to subpoena Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/october-jan-6-hearing-takeaways/index.html
The 7 minutes of footage of Nancy Pelosi et al while sequestered is worth watching. Down near the end of the item.
buffy said:
dv said:
Supreme Court knocks back Trump’s request for interventionhttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/supreme-court-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html
The bipartisan Jan 6 committee unanimously votes to subpoena Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/october-jan-6-hearing-takeaways/index.html
The 7 minutes of footage of Nancy Pelosi et al while sequestered is worth watching. Down near the end of the item.
Wow, that’s quite tense. Thanks for the link.
Spiny Norman said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Supreme Court knocks back Trump’s request for interventionhttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/supreme-court-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html
The bipartisan Jan 6 committee unanimously votes to subpoena Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/october-jan-6-hearing-takeaways/index.html
The 7 minutes of footage of Nancy Pelosi et al while sequestered is worth watching. Down near the end of the item.
Wow, that’s quite tense. Thanks for the link.
Very much not fun for those involved. Nor for the policemen upstairs trying to control things.
More Nancy Pelosi video from 06 Jan.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/im-gonna-punch-him-out-exclusive-footage-shows-pelosi-vowing-to-clobber-trump-on-jan-6-if-he-marches-to-the-capitol/
Nancy says she’d ‘punch him out’ (Trump) and go to jail happy about it.
And, dammit, i reckon she’d have done it too.
Secret Service persuaded Trump that they ‘didn’t have the resources to protect him at the Capitol’, and with the mood Nancy was in, i’d say they were right.
captain_spalding said:
More Nancy Pelosi video from 06 Jan.https://www.mediaite.com/tv/im-gonna-punch-him-out-exclusive-footage-shows-pelosi-vowing-to-clobber-trump-on-jan-6-if-he-marches-to-the-capitol/
Nancy says she’d ‘punch him out’ (Trump) and go to jail happy about it.
And, dammit, i reckon she’d have done it too.
Secret Service persuaded Trump that they ‘didn’t have the resources to protect him at the Capitol’, and with the mood Nancy was in, i’d say they were right.
Trump has a punchable head
Trump Subpoenaed! Jan. 6 Committee Demands Testimony After Explosive New Coup Evidence Is Revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeLahMJMJRg
https://youtu.be/ENy4Y7pjw-w
Evidence of Trump’s repeated lies
It’s surprising that Dominion has not sued Trump personally. I realise Fox has deeper pockets but still.
Four weeks until the midterm elections and the status hasn’t changed much in the last month.
The Democrats can be reasonably confident of retaining control of the Senate.
Probably not the House: they are sill about 1% ahead in the polling but they would really need to win by about 2.5% or so in order to keep a majority in the House because of the gerrymander. Still, they could get lucky.
Trump created new company, possibly to offload assets, New York AG says
NEW YORK, Oct 13 (Reuters) – New York state Attorney General Letitia James said on Thursday that Donald Trump’s family company created a new entity, “Trump Organization II LLC,” in a possible attempt to offload assets before her civil fraud case against the former president and his family goes to trial.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/new-yorks-james-seeks-monitor-oversee-trumps-company-before-trial-2022-10-13/
dv said:
Trump created new company, possibly to offload assets, New York AG saysNEW YORK, Oct 13 (Reuters) – New York state Attorney General Letitia James said on Thursday that Donald Trump’s family company created a new entity, “Trump Organization II LLC,” in a possible attempt to offload assets before her civil fraud case against the former president and his family goes to trial.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/new-yorks-james-seeks-monitor-oversee-trumps-company-before-trial-2022-10-13/
How does he think he’s going to get away with that? He can’t do a Bondy because his kids are due in court for the same shit.
Trump Worried That If He Didn’t Steal The Election, Then ‘People Would Know’ He Lost It
‘Trump demanded to know why (Mark) Meadows hadn’t “called more people,” Hutchinson (Cassidy Hutchinson, aide to Mark Meadows) recalled in testimony aired during Thursday’s Jan. 6 hearing. Then he repeatedly said: “I don’t want people to know we lost.” ‘
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-worried-that-if-he-didnt-steal-the-election-then-people-would-know-he-lost-it
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ted-cruz-twitter-muslim-fake-b2203103.html
Cruz goes off on parody article as though its real news
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/fox-news-airs-voicemail-joe-131254809.html
Fox News airs voicemail of Joe Biden urging son Hunter to ‘get some help’
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
sarahs mum said:
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
Great
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
Great
It’s..something.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
Great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399syDv0bBM
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
Great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399syDv0bBM
oh dear….
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
Great
It’s..something.
That won’t load for me. What’s the precis?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Great
It’s..something.
That won’t load for me. What’s the precis?
Insane Trump ad on Truth Social
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:It’s..something.
That won’t load for me. What’s the precis?
Insane Trump ad on Truth Social
trump is the lion and the democrats are the jackals.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:It’s..something.
That won’t load for me. What’s the precis?
Insane Trump ad on Truth Social
Did anyone assume sanity in relation to the Trump machine?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:Great
It’s..something.
That won’t load for me. What’s the precis?
Just for you witty
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://fb.watch/galbMDKwCz/
Great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399syDv0bBM
The voice over is Christopher Walken in Poolhall Junkies: The Lion Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEuXDX40bE
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399syDv0bBM
The voice over is Christopher Walken in Poolhall Junkies: The Lion Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEuXDX40bE
Ah, so it is an appropriation.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399syDv0bBM
The voice over is Christopher Walken in Poolhall Junkies: The Lion Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEuXDX40bE
Ah, so it is an appropriation.
I truly can’t imagine anyone saying this about the orange stain without laughing/screaming/crying/vomiting.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:The voice over is Christopher Walken in Poolhall Junkies: The Lion Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEuXDX40bE
Ah, so it is an appropriation.
I truly can’t imagine anyone saying this about the orange stain without laughing/screaming/crying/vomiting.
I don’t understand. but then It has been a long time of not understanding.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:Ah, so it is an appropriation.
I truly can’t imagine anyone saying this about the orange stain without laughing/screaming/crying/vomiting.
I don’t understand. but then It has been a long time of not understanding.
Many of the women I know who STILL support him were abused when they were children, mostly from their parental units.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:I truly can’t imagine anyone saying this about the orange stain without laughing/screaming/crying/vomiting.
I don’t understand. but then It has been a long time of not understanding.
Many of the women I know who STILL support him were abused when they were children, mostly from their parental units.
the only woman I know who is a Trump fan is Margaret. And she’s mad. And lives in conspiracy wonderland.
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:I don’t understand. but then It has been a long time of not understanding.
Many of the women I know who STILL support him were abused when they were children, mostly from their parental units.
the only woman I know who is a Trump fan is Margaret. And she’s mad. And lives in conspiracy wonderland.
Around here the believers of conspiracies tend to have a background heavy with religion.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:Many of the women I know who STILL support him were abused when they were children, mostly from their parental units.
the only woman I know who is a Trump fan is Margaret. And she’s mad. And lives in conspiracy wonderland.
Around here the believers of conspiracies tend to have a background heavy with religion.
Why these women don’t want representation….
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:the only woman I know who is a Trump fan is Margaret. And she’s mad. And lives in conspiracy wonderland.
Around here the believers of conspiracies tend to have a background heavy with religion.
Why these women don’t want representation….
They enjoy the continuing abuse that comes from conservative religious types.
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Around here the believers of conspiracies tend to have a background heavy with religion.
Why these women don’t want representation….
They enjoy the continuing abuse that comes from conservative religious types.
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
Why these women don’t want representation….
They enjoy the continuing abuse that comes from conservative religious types.
Congratulations! You solved Redactle Unlimited in 80 guesses with 86.25% accuracy and a time of 00:13:44!
Trump’s Bedminster-Bound Mystery Boxes Raise New Secret Document Suspicions
Video shows file boxes being loaded onto a plane carrying Trump from Mar-a-Lago to his New Jersey golf club.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-documents-mar-a-lago-bedminster_n_6348f2c5e4b03e8038d23c8a
Jaysus.
A recently released email written by someone familiar with FBI operations warned a bureau official just days after last year’s insurrection of sympathy within the FBI for the Jan. 6 rioters.
The memo sent via email to now FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate — first revealed by NBC News — is the latest ominous sign of increasing politicization of policing organizations that are supposed to enforce the law without partisan bias.
“There’s no good way to say it, so I’ll just be direct: from my first-hand and second-hand information from conversations since Jan. 6, there is, at best, a sizable percentage of the employee population that felt sympathetic to the group that stormed the Capitol,” the email reads.
The sender’s name has been redacted, which was part of a trove of documents released this week by the FBI in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
The message is marked “external email” but may have been written by a current or former agent or official on a personal computer. The writer refers to a past FBI “unit” and talking with agents. Abbate, who was then associate deputy director of the bureau, personally responded to the writer with a thank you for sharing the information. The sender addressed Abbate by his first name.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fbi-email-jan-6-rioter-sympathy_n_634ad223e4b03e8038d495d7
Jan. 6 committee shares Secret Service emails about online threats to Pence
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., shared Secret Service emails and communications that showed online threats to former Vice President Pence, such as calling him a “dead man walking,” during a January 6 committee hearing.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/jan-6-committee-shares-secret-183316554.html
https://youtu.be/5aed290KFf8
Repuplican Congressman Adam Kinzinger says that the Trump’s troop actions suggest he knew he had lost the election.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/5aed290KFf8Repuplican Congressman Adam Kinzinger says that the Trump’s troop actions suggest he knew he had lost the election.
Is the Trump Troop a sort of malevolent adaptation of F Troop?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/5aed290KFf8Repuplican Congressman Adam Kinzinger says that the Trump’s troop actions suggest he knew he had lost the election.
Is the Trump Troop a sort of malevolent adaptation of F Troop?
More like: we’re the Heckawi?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/5aed290KFf8Repuplican Congressman Adam Kinzinger says that the Trump’s troop actions suggest he knew he had lost the election.
Is the Trump Troop a sort of malevolent adaptation of F Troop?
In his case it’d be WTF Troop.
Former President Donald Trump on Sunday criticized American Jews for what he argued was their insufficient praise of his policies toward Israel, warning that they need to “get their act together” before “it is too late!”
The suggestion, made on Trump’s social media platform Truth Social, plays into the antisemitic trope that US Jews have dual loyalties to the US and to Israel, and it drew immediate condemnation.
“No President has done more for Israel than I have,” Trump wrote before saying it was somewhat surprising that “our wonderful Evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than the people of the Jewish faith, especially those living in the U.S.”
The head of the American Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt accused Trump of “Jewsplaining.”
“We don’t need the former president, who curries favor with extremists and antisemites, to lecture us about the US-Israel relationship. It is not about a quid pro quo; it rests on shared values and security interests. This ‘Jewsplaining’ is insulting and disgusting,” he wrote.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/16/politics/trump-american-jews-israel/index.html
Some more responses.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/politics/two-bit-goon-trump-ignites-furious-backlash-for-demanding-u-s-jews-act-more-like-evangelicals/ar-AA131Mgu
“Daily Beast columnist David Rothkopf had a harsher take, writing, “Trump, the mob boss, tries to shake down American Jews. ‘Love me, or else.’ We’ve been menaced by fascists before, you two-bit goon. We recognize the threat you represent from the darkest pages of our history. That’s why we’ll never submit to your threats.”
Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman suggested, “Trump’s outburst actually illustrates why American Jews are relatively liberal. Anyone with a sense of history knows that whatever group is currently in illiberal crosshairs, the Jews are always next in line.”
“There’s a simple question that must be asked of every GOP elected official right now-whether they agree with Trump that Jews must ‘get their act together..before it’s too late.’ It’s a yes or no question. No one should be permitted to waffle out of. The media has a role to play,” former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance tweeted.
Historian Michael Beschloss asked, “Do any Republican Party leaders have any comment at all on Trump’s admonition to American Jews?”
Conservative National Review Online editor Phillip Klein joined the fray, tweeting, “So I remember the previous version of Trump’s ‘Ungrateful Jews’ rant and must say the sequel is even worse than the original.”
Authoritarianism expert Ruth Ben-Ghiat, added: “Dear Republican Jews, once again: time to leave the cult. This is not new, and Trump has warned you before.”
fsm said:
We can but hope.
Trump Organization charged Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night to stay at Trump properties
During Donald Trump’s presidency, Trump hotels charged the Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night, more than five times the recommended government rate, and the high rates continued after he left office, according to an investigation released Monday by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-charged-secret-service-much-1185-night-stay-trump-d-rcna52521
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-justice-department.html
Recommended sentence for Steve Bannon is 6 months.
dv said:
Trump Organization charged Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night to stay at Trump propertiesDuring Donald Trump’s presidency, Trump hotels charged the Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night, more than five times the recommended government rate, and the high rates continued after he left office, according to an investigation released Monday by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-charged-secret-service-much-1185-night-stay-trump-d-rcna52521
So they have to pay to do their jobs to protect a billionaire (or is he millionaire) president who could have let them stay for free
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-justice-department.htmlRecommended sentence for Steve Bannon is 6 months.
The NYT should get 6 months for not letting you read the article unless you pay them money or log in.
They can GAGFAB
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-justice-department.htmlRecommended sentence for Steve Bannon is 6 months.
The NYT should get 6 months for not letting you read the article unless you pay them money or log in.
They can GAGFAB
if you copy the headline, and then do a search with it, you can usually pull up the exact same story, or rewrite of it, on other sites.
Here’s the same story, alternative location:
https://globle.io/justice-dept-recommends-bannon-be-sentenced-to-6-months-in-prison/
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-justice-department.htmlRecommended sentence for Steve Bannon is 6 months.
The NYT should get 6 months for not letting you read the article unless you pay them money or log in.
They can GAGFAB
The Justice Department said on Monday that Stephen K. Bannon, a former top aide to Donald J. Trump, should spend six months in jail and pay a fine of $200,000 after a jury found him guilty this summer of willfully disobeying a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack.
Mr. Bannon “pursued a bad-faith strategy of defiance and contempt” from the moment he received the subpoena last year seeking records and testimony about his knowledge of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, culminating in the violent assault on the Capitol, prosecutors said in a sentencing memo to Judge Carl J. Nichols, who is overseeing the case.
The prosecutors noted that Mr. Bannon, who is set to be sentenced by Judge Nichols on Friday, deserved a penalty harsher than the minimum term of one month in jail because he had blatantly brushed off the committee’s demands and then attacked it in a series of brazen public statements.
Mr. Bannon, on the eve of his trial in Federal District Court in Washington, also tried an 11th-hour attempt to derail the criminal case by asking Congress to pressure the Justice Department to drop its charges in exchange for his belated testimony to the Jan. 6 committee.
In their own sentencing memo, lawyers for Mr. Bannon recommended that he should not spend any time in jail and instead receive a term of probation. They argued that people were rarely prosecuted on contempt of Congress charges and that the Justice Department declined to file indictments against two of Mr. Trump’s other aides who also disregarded subpoenas from the committee: Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff, and Dan Scavino Jr., a deputy to Mr. Meadows.
But Mr. Bannon is not the only former Trump aide who was charged with disobeying a subpoena from the committee. Around the same time that prosecutors announced they would not seek cases against Mr. Meadows and Mr. Scavino, they indicted Peter Navarro, the former White House trade adviser, on contempt of Congress charges.
Mr. Navarro is scheduled to go on trial in Washington next month.
Prosecutors were outraged when Mr. Bannon made a remarkable about-face months ago as his criminal trial approached and sought to strike a last-minute deal to testify before the committee. But in its sentencing memo, the government revealed new details of how Mr. Bannon tried to stave off his prosecution by negotiating an agreement with congressional investigators.
Prosecutors said that just this month, Timothy J. Heaphy, the committee’s top investigator, told them that M. Evan Corcoran, one of Mr. Bannon’s lawyers, had sent him a text message asking to speak shortly before Mr. Bannon’s trial began.
Mr. Heaphy said he was “friendly” with Mr. Corcoran because they had worked together as federal prosecutors in the same office, and he worried about responding without witnesses.
Mr. Heaphy assembled two other top lawyers from the committee to listen to what Mr. Corcoran wanted. Mr. Corcoran proposed that the committee join a motion to dismiss the case in exchange for a pledge that Mr. Bannon produce documents that the committee had demanded under subpoena and sit for an interview — exactly what Mr. Bannon had refused to do for months.
Mr. Heaphy told Mr. Corcoran that the committee could not take such a position, and that the matter was now in the hands of the Justice Department.
Even after Mr. Bannon was found guilty of contempt of Congress in July, prosecutors told Judge Nichols, he failed to disclose a single document to the committee or answer any of its questions.
“From the time he was initially subpoenaed, the defendant has shown his true reasons for total noncompliance have nothing to do with his purported respect for the Constitution, the rule of law or executive privilege,” prosecutors wrote, “and everything to do with his personal disdain for the members of Congress sitting on the committee and their effort to investigate the attack on our country’s peaceful transfer of power.”
Mr. Bannon had at first sought to defend himself by arguing that he could not comply with the subpoena because Mr. Trump had asserted executive privilege over his testimony. He also tried to argue that in disobeying the committee’s demands, he had merely been following the advice of his lawyers.
But in pretrial rulings, Judge Nichols swept aside those arguments, leaving Mr. Bannon with little defense against the accusation that he had received a subpoena from the House committee and simply chose to ignore it.
“It wasn’t optional, it wasn’t a request, and it wasn’t an invitation — it was mandatory,” a federal prosecutor said during opening statements at the trial. “The defendant decided he was above the law and didn’t have to follow the government’s orders like his fellow citizens.”
Mr. Bannon also faces separate charges in New York of defrauding people who sought to contribute to an organization that took donations for the construction of a wall along the southwestern border, one of Mr. Trump’s signature policy platforms.
In that case, which largely mirrored one that Mr. Bannon escaped through a presidential pardon last year, the Manhattan district attorney’s office charged him with fraud, money laundering and conspiracy.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-justice-department.htmlRecommended sentence for Steve Bannon is 6 months.
The NYT should get 6 months for not letting you read the article unless you pay them money or log in.
They can GAGFAB
if you copy the headline, and then do a search with it, you can usually pull up the exact same story, or rewrite of it, on other sites.
Here’s the same story, alternative location:
https://globle.io/justice-dept-recommends-bannon-be-sentenced-to-6-months-in-prison/
There’s some strange names in there, Stephen Ok Bannon, Decide Carl J Nichols and some of the sentences are constructed by someone who never had English as a first or second language.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-justice-department.htmlRecommended sentence for Steve Bannon is 6 months.
The NYT should get 6 months for not letting you read the article unless you pay them money or log in.
They can GAGFAB
The Justice Department said on Monday that Stephen K. Bannon, a former top aide to Donald J. Trump, should spend six months in jail and pay a fine of $200,000 after a jury found him guilty this summer of willfully disobeying a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack.
Mr. Bannon “pursued a bad-faith strategy of defiance and contempt” from the moment he received the subpoena last year seeking records and testimony about his knowledge of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, culminating in the violent assault on the Capitol, prosecutors said in a sentencing memo to Judge Carl J. Nichols, who is overseeing the case.
The prosecutors noted that Mr. Bannon, who is set to be sentenced by Judge Nichols on Friday, deserved a penalty harsher than the minimum term of one month in jail because he had blatantly brushed off the committee’s demands and then attacked it in a series of brazen public statements.
Mr. Bannon, on the eve of his trial in Federal District Court in Washington, also tried an 11th-hour attempt to derail the criminal case by asking Congress to pressure the Justice Department to drop its charges in exchange for his belated testimony to the Jan. 6 committee.
In their own sentencing memo, lawyers for Mr. Bannon recommended that he should not spend any time in jail and instead receive a term of probation. They argued that people were rarely prosecuted on contempt of Congress charges and that the Justice Department declined to file indictments against two of Mr. Trump’s other aides who also disregarded subpoenas from the committee: Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff, and Dan Scavino Jr., a deputy to Mr. Meadows.
But Mr. Bannon is not the only former Trump aide who was charged with disobeying a subpoena from the committee. Around the same time that prosecutors announced they would not seek cases against Mr. Meadows and Mr. Scavino, they indicted Peter Navarro, the former White House trade adviser, on contempt of Congress charges.
Mr. Navarro is scheduled to go on trial in Washington next month.
Prosecutors were outraged when Mr. Bannon made a remarkable about-face months ago as his criminal trial approached and sought to strike a last-minute deal to testify before the committee. But in its sentencing memo, the government revealed new details of how Mr. Bannon tried to stave off his prosecution by negotiating an agreement with congressional investigators.
Prosecutors said that just this month, Timothy J. Heaphy, the committee’s top investigator, told them that M. Evan Corcoran, one of Mr. Bannon’s lawyers, had sent him a text message asking to speak shortly before Mr. Bannon’s trial began.
Mr. Heaphy said he was “friendly” with Mr. Corcoran because they had worked together as federal prosecutors in the same office, and he worried about responding without witnesses.
Mr. Heaphy assembled two other top lawyers from the committee to listen to what Mr. Corcoran wanted. Mr. Corcoran proposed that the committee join a motion to dismiss the case in exchange for a pledge that Mr. Bannon produce documents that the committee had demanded under subpoena and sit for an interview — exactly what Mr. Bannon had refused to do for months.
Mr. Heaphy told Mr. Corcoran that the committee could not take such a position, and that the matter was now in the hands of the Justice Department.
Even after Mr. Bannon was found guilty of contempt of Congress in July, prosecutors told Judge Nichols, he failed to disclose a single document to the committee or answer any of its questions.
“From the time he was initially subpoenaed, the defendant has shown his true reasons for total noncompliance have nothing to do with his purported respect for the Constitution, the rule of law or executive privilege,” prosecutors wrote, “and everything to do with his personal disdain for the members of Congress sitting on the committee and their effort to investigate the attack on our country’s peaceful transfer of power.”
Mr. Bannon had at first sought to defend himself by arguing that he could not comply with the subpoena because Mr. Trump had asserted executive privilege over his testimony. He also tried to argue that in disobeying the committee’s demands, he had merely been following the advice of his lawyers.
But in pretrial rulings, Judge Nichols swept aside those arguments, leaving Mr. Bannon with little defense against the accusation that he had received a subpoena from the House committee and simply chose to ignore it.
“It wasn’t optional, it wasn’t a request, and it wasn’t an invitation — it was mandatory,” a federal prosecutor said during opening statements at the trial. “The defendant decided he was above the law and didn’t have to follow the government’s orders like his fellow citizens.”
Mr. Bannon also faces separate charges in New York of defrauding people who sought to contribute to an organization that took donations for the construction of a wall along the southwestern border, one of Mr. Trump’s signature policy platforms.
In that case, which largely mirrored one that Mr. Bannon escaped through a presidential pardon last year, the Manhattan district attorney’s office charged him with fraud, money laundering and conspiracy.
That’s much better, the one in C_S limk must have been mashed in a translation from english to Swahili and back again.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:The NYT should get 6 months for not letting you read the article unless you pay them money or log in.
They can GAGFAB
if you copy the headline, and then do a search with it, you can usually pull up the exact same story, or rewrite of it, on other sites.
Here’s the same story, alternative location:
https://globle.io/justice-dept-recommends-bannon-be-sentenced-to-6-months-in-prison/
There’s some strange names in there, Stephen Ok Bannon, Decide Carl J Nichols and some of the sentences are constructed by someone who never had English as a first or second language.
So standard white American then
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:if you copy the headline, and then do a search with it, you can usually pull up the exact same story, or rewrite of it, on other sites.
Here’s the same story, alternative location:
https://globle.io/justice-dept-recommends-bannon-be-sentenced-to-6-months-in-prison/
There’s some strange names in there, Stephen Ok Bannon, Decide Carl J Nichols and some of the sentences are constructed by someone who never had English as a first or second language.
So standard white American then
I’m not saying that’s some kind of dodgy site based in the middle of the ocean but the .io means it is registered in the British Indian Ocean Territory.
dv said:
Trump Organization charged Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night to stay at Trump propertiesDuring Donald Trump’s presidency, Trump hotels charged the Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night, more than five times the recommended government rate, and the high rates continued after he left office, according to an investigation released Monday by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-charged-secret-service-much-1185-night-stay-trump-d-rcna52521
is that per person, or twin share?
In fairness, rooms in Washington DC are expensive and it’s not like the POTUS is going to stay at the local Holliday Inn. Rooms at the Waldorf Astoria start at $800/night.
For me it’s not the cost that is the primary issue here but the fact that they were Trump hotels.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Trump Organization charged Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night to stay at Trump propertiesDuring Donald Trump’s presidency, Trump hotels charged the Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night, more than five times the recommended government rate, and the high rates continued after he left office, according to an investigation released Monday by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-charged-secret-service-much-1185-night-stay-trump-d-rcna52521
is that per person, or twin share?
In fairness, rooms in Washington DC are expensive and it’s not like the POTUS is going to stay at the local Holliday Inn. Rooms at the Waldorf Astoria start at $800/night.
For me it’s not the cost that is the primary issue here but the fact that they were Trump hotels.
As the article notes, the rates are five times that these hotels normally charge for government customers.
dv said:
Trump Organization charged Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night to stay at Trump propertiesDuring Donald Trump’s presidency, Trump hotels charged the Secret Service as much as $1,185 per night, more than five times the recommended government rate, and the high rates continued after he left office, according to an investigation released Monday by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-charged-secret-service-much-1185-night-stay-trump-d-rcna52521
There’s a law against that.
Eric and Donald Trump Nailed With $250 Million Fraud Suit After Allegedly Spending Weeks Dodging NY AG
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/donald-trump-eric-trump-ny-attorney-general-lawsuit-served
On a local note, how would you rate the chances of the L/NP at the next federal election if they brought ScoMo back as leader?
DOJ Prosecutors Have Evidence To Charge Trump With Obstruction In Mar-A-Lago Case—But Still Unclear If They Will, Report Says
Justice Department prosecutors believe there’s enough evidence to charge former President Donald Trump with obstruction in the agency’s investigation into documents he brought back to Mar-A-Lago, Bloomberg reports—but investigators are reportedly still conflicted on whether it’s wise to charge the ex-president, and any indictment is unlikely to come soon.
What punishment Trump will face, if any. The federal statute that Trump is being investigated under that involves obstruction carries a potential fine or prison sentence of up to 20 years. Bloomberg notes it’s unlikely Trump would only be charged with obstruction and no other crimes, however. The other statutes he’s being investigated under carry fines or prison sentences of up to 3 or 10 years, and the DOJ also has a separate ongoing investigation into the January 6 attack on the Capitol building and Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election that could also result in charges.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/10/19/doj-prosecutors-have-evidence-to-charge-trump-with-obstruction-in-mar-a-lago-case-but-still-unclear-if-they-will-report-says/?sh=2612d9502d3f
roughbarked said:
How far back is the US politics thread?>US Senator Lindsey Graham must testify before a special grand jury investigating whether then-President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia.
24m ago on justin
Here it is.
You could bookmark it.
Note that we have a forum thread list..
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04.html
You could bookmark that but note that it gets posted near the top of each chat thread.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
How far back is the US politics thread?>US Senator Lindsey Graham must testify before a special grand jury investigating whether then-President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia.
24m ago on justin
Here it is.
You could bookmark it.
Note that we have a forum thread list..
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04.htmlYou could bookmark that but note that it gets posted near the top of each chat thread.
It is bookmarked, your forum list.
I do have some threads bookmarked.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
How far back is the US politics thread?
>US Senator Lindsey Graham must testify before a special grand jury investigating whether then-President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia.
24m ago on justin
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You could bookmark it.
Note that we have a forum thread list..
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04.htmlYou could bookmark that but note that it gets posted near the top of each chat thread.
any chance to default sort by newest to oldest
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
How far back is the US politics thread?
>US Senator Lindsey Graham must testify before a special grand jury investigating whether then-President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia.
24m ago on justin
Here it is.
You could bookmark it.
Note that we have a forum thread list..
http://dazvoz.com/Holiday-Forum-List-04.htmlYou could bookmark that but note that it gets posted near the top of each chat thread.
any chance to default sort by newest to oldest
You should be able to do that yourself? Or don’t they put that toggle up down in the top of the window anymore?
SCIENCE said:
any chance to default sort by newest to oldest
I’ll put sort bars on it.
And also have common links at the top.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
any chance to default sort by newest to oldest
I’ll put sort bars on it.
And also have common links at the top.
thanks, it’s just on some platforms and connections the load is slow and having more recent links first helps with efficiency
Steve Bannon sentenced to 4 months in prison for contempt of Congress
CNN
CNN —
Steve Bannon, the ex-adviser to former President Donald Trump, will be sentenced on Friday for criminal contempt of Congress after defying of a subpoena from the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
The sentencing will unfold in a federal courtroom in Washington, DC. Judge Carl Nichols – a Trump appointee – will hand down the penalty in proceedings that will begin at 9 a.m. ET.
The sentencing is a milestone moment in the Justice Department’s response to January 6, as prosecutors say that by “flouting” the committee’s subpoena, Bannon “exacerbated” the assault on the rule of law that the US Capitol attack amounted to. It may also bolster the leverage lawmakers have in securing cooperation of witnesses resistant to participating in congressional investigations.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/21/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-contempt-congress/index.html
dv said:
Steve Bannon sentenced to 4 months in prison for contempt of CongressCNN
CNN —
Steve Bannon, the ex-adviser to former President Donald Trump, will be sentenced on Friday for criminal contempt of Congress after defying of a subpoena from the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
The sentencing will unfold in a federal courtroom in Washington, DC. Judge Carl Nichols – a Trump appointee – will hand down the penalty in proceedings that will begin at 9 a.m. ET.
The sentencing is a milestone moment in the Justice Department’s response to January 6, as prosecutors say that by “flouting” the committee’s subpoena, Bannon “exacerbated” the assault on the rule of law that the US Capitol attack amounted to. It may also bolster the leverage lawmakers have in securing cooperation of witnesses resistant to participating in congressional investigations.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/21/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-contempt-congress/index.html
Should be longer, 12 months or more.
dv said:
Steve Bannon sentenced to 4 months in prison for contempt of CongressCNN
CNN —
Steve Bannon, the ex-adviser to former President Donald Trump, will be sentenced on Friday for criminal contempt of Congress after defying of a subpoena from the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
The sentencing will unfold in a federal courtroom in Washington, DC. Judge Carl Nichols – a Trump appointee – will hand down the penalty in proceedings that will begin at 9 a.m. ET.
The sentencing is a milestone moment in the Justice Department’s response to January 6, as prosecutors say that by “flouting” the committee’s subpoena, Bannon “exacerbated” the assault on the rule of law that the US Capitol attack amounted to. It may also bolster the leverage lawmakers have in securing cooperation of witnesses resistant to participating in congressional investigations.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/21/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-contempt-congress/index.html
the wheels of justice grind slow, but very fine… and all that.
4 months for Bannon, but stuff about staying the appeal.
Little tantrum speech outside court…as people yell stuff like traitor and fascist.
kii said:
4 months for Bannon, but stuff about staying the appeal.Little tantrum speech outside court…as people yell stuff like traitor and fascist.
To hell with his tantrum speech.
kii said:
4 months for Bannon, but stuff about staying the appeal.Little tantrum speech outside court…as people yell stuff like traitor and fascist.
For someone inciting violence he needs a bigger kick up his backside.
Tau.Neutrino said:
kii said:
4 months for Bannon, but stuff about staying the appeal.Little tantrum speech outside court…as people yell stuff like traitor and fascist.
For someone inciting violence he needs a bigger kick up his backside.
I know a woman in Texas who has been targeted by Bannon and others involved in the We Build the Wall fiasco.
kii said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
kii said:
4 months for Bannon, but stuff about staying the appeal.Little tantrum speech outside court…as people yell stuff like traitor and fascist.
For someone inciting violence he needs a bigger kick up his backside.
I know a woman in Texas who has been targeted by Bannon and others involved in the We Build the Wall fiasco.
I don’t like anything about Bannon.
There is nothing about Bannon to like.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Steve Bannon sentenced to 4 months in prison for contempt of CongressCNN
CNN —
Steve Bannon, the ex-adviser to former President Donald Trump, will be sentenced on Friday for criminal contempt of Congress after defying of a subpoena from the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
The sentencing will unfold in a federal courtroom in Washington, DC. Judge Carl Nichols – a Trump appointee – will hand down the penalty in proceedings that will begin at 9 a.m. ET.
The sentencing is a milestone moment in the Justice Department’s response to January 6, as prosecutors say that by “flouting” the committee’s subpoena, Bannon “exacerbated” the assault on the rule of law that the US Capitol attack amounted to. It may also bolster the leverage lawmakers have in securing cooperation of witnesses resistant to participating in congressional investigations.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/21/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-contempt-congress/index.htmlShould be longer, 12 months or more.
They should have thrown away the key.
US House committee investigating January 6 Capitol attack subpoenas Donald Trump
The subpoena requires documents to be submitted to the January 6 select committee by November 4 and Mr Trump to appear for a deposition testimony beginning on or about November 14.
roughbarked said:
US House committee investigating January 6 Capitol attack subpoenas Donald Trump
The subpoena requires documents to be submitted to the January 6 select committee by November 4 and Mr Trump to appear for a deposition testimony beginning on or about November 14.
Better stock up on popcorn.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
US House committee investigating January 6 Capitol attack subpoenas Donald Trump
The subpoena requires documents to be submitted to the January 6 select committee by November 4 and Mr Trump to appear for a deposition testimony beginning on or about November 14.Better stock up on popcorn.
If your idea of entertainment is watching an elderly loony claiming the protection of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution hundreds of times in a row…
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
US House committee investigating January 6 Capitol attack subpoenas Donald Trump
The subpoena requires documents to be submitted to the January 6 select committee by November 4 and Mr Trump to appear for a deposition testimony beginning on or about November 14.Better stock up on popcorn.
If your idea of entertainment is watching an elderly loony claiming the protection of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution hundreds of times in a row…
Not going to try and be entertained by the man. It always was difficult to stomach anything from him.
It would put me off my popcorn.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
US House committee investigating January 6 Capitol attack subpoenas Donald Trump
The subpoena requires documents to be submitted to the January 6 select committee by November 4 and Mr Trump to appear for a deposition testimony beginning on or about November 14.Better stock up on popcorn.
If your idea of entertainment is watching an elderly loony claiming the protection of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution hundreds of times in a row…
That’s a pretty big assumption that he’ll relax his contempt for the law and actually turn up.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Better stock up on popcorn.
If your idea of entertainment is watching an elderly loony claiming the protection of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution hundreds of times in a row…
That’s a pretty big assumption that he’ll relax his contempt for the law and actually turn up.
If there’s a camera and a microphone there, he’ll turn up.
I’m pretty sure that DJT will do everything to run down the clock in the hopes that Republicans win the House and he won’t have to testify.
dv said:
I’m pretty sure that DJT will do everything to run down the clock in the hopes that Republicans win the House and he won’t have to testify.
not like that arsehole has ever drawn out litigation simply to bleed the opposition dry and get away with whatever by default right
Moscow is a bit of a stretch for a 757-200, but with a refuelling stop at some ‘friendly’ place…
Trump Voters In Focus Group Say He Couldn’t Have Stopped Jan. 6 Violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbaUt-lla4
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whackos.
Dark Orange said:
So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
dv said:
Dark Orange said:So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
I was reading this story this morning.. it seems to be getting harder and harder to argue against a non-partisan SCOTUS.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
Here’s some US politics for you.
Elizabeth Eckford
Saw her name elsewhere and had to look her up, I’m sad to confess.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
Here’s some US politics for you.
Elizabeth EckfordSaw her name elsewhere and had to look her up, I’m sad to confess.
“Drag her over this tree! Let’s take care of that nigger!”
Nice people.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
dv said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
¿quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
dv said:
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
¿quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
On Monday, NBC News reported that Michael Riley, the former Capitol Police officer indicted for obstruction of justice in connection with the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, told a jury he is “embarrassed” by his actions.
Riley pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for tipping off a rioter to remove incriminating posts from Facebook that put him at the scene.
“Michael Riley, a now-former U.S. Capitol Police Officer who sent messages to Jan. 6 rioter Jacob Hiles shortly after the insurrection, told jurors on Monday that he believed Hiles when he posted that he was forced into the Capitol by the pro-Trump mob,” reported Ryan J. Reilly. “Riley testified that he regrets reaching out to Hiles ‘every day’ and that this has been ‘the worst year’ of his life. Riley was charged in October 2021, and resigned from the department that month, although the details of his departure and current status have been concealed from jurors.”
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/us/indicted-capitol-cop-tells-jury-he-s-embarrassed-he-tipped-off-maga-rioter-on-facebook-report/ar-AA13kJgD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6deba21ecc134953a94cbbb23c80c22b
dv said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:So… no US politics thread update?
I mean feel free, fill your boots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/supreme-court-lindsey-graham-clarence-thomas/index.html
Clarence Thomas freezes order for Lindsey Graham to testify before Georgia grand jury investigating 2020 election
this feels like a long bow to draw, but I understand the sentiment
Inside The Pro-QAnon, Pro-Trump, Christian Nationalist Roadshow To ‘Save America’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjdJswbv1M
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Well that’s pretty evil.
sarahs mum said:
Inside The Pro-QAnon, Pro-Trump, Christian Nationalist Roadshow To ‘Save America’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjdJswbv1M
—-Well that’s pretty evil.
surely putting up 45 profiles and asking people to pray that god’s angels kill them is pushing christian ethics somewhat.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Inside The Pro-QAnon, Pro-Trump, Christian Nationalist Roadshow To ‘Save America’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjdJswbv1M
—-Well that’s pretty evil.
surely putting up 45 profiles and asking people to pray that god’s angels kill them is pushing christian ethics somewhat.
I reckon.
Meanwhile in Texas…..
Let’s help you ID your child’s remains after an active shooter shreds their body with gunfire.
sarahs mum said:
Inside The Pro-QAnon, Pro-Trump, Christian Nationalist Roadshow To ‘Save America’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjdJswbv1M
—-Well that’s pretty evil.
Faaark…..stop watching this kii :/
From the North Carolina Firearms Coalition’s Facebook page:
“The people who can’t appreciate how beautiful this is are the ones on their phones in the Sistine Chapel. #Culture”
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
Inside The Pro-QAnon, Pro-Trump, Christian Nationalist Roadshow To ‘Save America’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjdJswbv1M
—-Well that’s pretty evil.
Faaark…..stop watching this kii :/
And if someone in that audience goes out and shoots Rachel Maddow they are going to say they are not part of it. Like the Jan 6 stuff.
kii said:
From the North Carolina Firearms Coalition’s Facebook page:“The people who can’t appreciate how beautiful this is are the ones on their phones in the Sistine Chapel. #Culture”
na.
Dr Oz, Pennsylvania Senate candidate, says abortion should be between a woman, her doctor, and “local political leaders”.
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“I want women, doctors, local political leaders, letting the democracy that’s always allowed our nation to thrive to put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves,” he added.
It’s not entirely clear to me what Oz was attempting to do here. He started by borrowing the language of the abortion rights movement that a decision regarding an abortion is between a woman and her doctor. And then, in a mind-boggling moment, he tacked on “local political leaders” as part of that decision-making process.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/26/politics/oz-abortion-debate-pennsylvania-senate/index.html9
Not satire
dv said:
Dr Oz, Pennsylvania Senate candidate, says abortion should be between a woman, her doctor, and “local political leaders”.—-
“I want women, doctors, local political leaders, letting the democracy that’s always allowed our nation to thrive to put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves,” he added.
It’s not entirely clear to me what Oz was attempting to do here. He started by borrowing the language of the abortion rights movement that a decision regarding an abortion is between a woman and her doctor. And then, in a mind-boggling moment, he tacked on “local political leaders” as part of that decision-making process.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/26/politics/oz-abortion-debate-pennsylvania-senate/index.html9Not satire
We saw it earlier and still are gobsmacked.
https://youtu.be/A2y6hxPgFdw
Oz v Fetterman: the effect of Fetterman’s stroke
dv said:
https://youtu.be/A2y6hxPgFdwOz v Fetterman: the effect of Fetterman’s stroke
There was all those medical probs that JFK hid because he thought he had to appear strong and healthy for the voters.
WASHINGTON, Oct 27 (Reuters) – The U.S. economy rebounded strongly in the third quarter amid a shrinking trade deficit, but the data overstated the nation’s economic health as domestic demand was the weakest in two years because of the Federal Reserve’s aggressive interest rate hikes.
The Commerce Department’s advance third-quarter gross domestic product report on Thursday also showed residential investment contracting for a sixth straight quarter, the longest such stretch since the housing market collapse in 2006, as the sector buckles under the weight of soaring mortgage rates.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-economic-growth-rebounds-q3-trade-demand-is-slowing-2022-10-27/
HOUSTON — Tony Earls hung his head before a row of television cameras, staring down, his life upended. Days before, Mr. Earls had pulled out his handgun and opened fire, hoping to strike a man who had just robbed him and his wife at an A.T.M. in Houston.
Instead, he struck Arlene Alvarez, a 9-year-old girl seated in a passing pickup, killing her.
“Is Mr. Earls licensed to carry?” a reporter asked during the February news conference, in which his lawyer spoke for him.
He didn’t need one, the lawyer replied. “Everything about that situation, we believe and contend, was justified under Texas law.” A grand jury later agreed, declining to indict Mr. Earls for any crime.
The shooting was part of what many sheriffs, police leaders and district attorneys in urban areas of Texas say has been an increase in people carrying weapons and in spur-of-the-moment gunfire in the year since the state began allowing most adults 21 or over to carry a handgun without a license.
At the same time, mainly in rural counties, other sheriffs said they had seen little change, and proponents of gun rights said more people lawfully carrying guns could be part of why shootings have declined in some parts of the state.
Far from an outlier, Texas, with its new law, joined what has been an expanding effort to remove nearly all restrictions on carrying handguns. When Alabama’s “permitless carry” law goes into effect in January, half of the states in the nation, from Maine to Arizona, will not require a license to carry a handgun.
The state-by-state legislative push has coincided with a federal judiciary that has increasingly ruled in favor of carrying guns and against state efforts to regulate them.
But Texas is the most populous state to do away with handgun permit requirements. Five of the nation’s 15 biggest cities are in Texas, making the permitless approach to handguns a new fact of life in urban areas to an extent not seen in other states.
In the border town of Eagle Pass, drunken arguments have flared into shootings. In El Paso, revelers who legally bring their guns to parties have opened fire to stop fights. In and around Houston, prosecutors have received a growing stream of cases involving guns brandished or fired over parking spots, bad driving, loud music and love triangles.
“It seems like now there’s been a tipping point where just everybody is armed,” said Sheriff Ed Gonzalez of Harris County, which includes Houston.
No statewide shooting statistics have been released since the law went into effect last September. After a particularly violent 2021 in many parts of the state, the picture of crime in Texas has been mixed this year, with homicides and assaults up in some places and down in others.
But what has been clear is that far fewer people are getting new licenses for handguns even as many in law enforcement say the number of guns they encounter on the street has been increasing.
Big city police departments and major law enforcement groups opposed the new handgun law when it came before the State Legislature last spring, worried in part about the loss of training requirements necessary for a permit and more dangers for officers.
But gun rights proponents prevailed in the Republican-dominated Capitol, arguing that Texans should not need the state’s permission to exercise their Second Amendment rights.
Recent debates over gun laws in Texas have not been limited to handgun licensing. After the elementary school shooting in Uvalde, gun control advocates have pushed to raise the age to purchase an AR-15-style rifle. And after the Supreme Court struck down New York’s restrictive licensing program, a federal court in Texas found that a state law barring adults under 21 from carrying a handgun was unconstitutional. Gov. Greg Abbott has suggested he agreed, even as the Texas Department of Public Safety, which oversees the state police, is appealing.
“What I believe in is that the Second Amendment provides certain rights, and it provides those rights to adults,” Mr. Abbott said in a recent news conference. “I think that the court ruling is going to be upheld.”
The loosening of regulations also landed in the middle of a national debate over crime. Researchers have long argued over the effect of allowing more people to legally own and carry guns. But a series of recent studies has found a link between laws that make it easier to carry a handgun and increases in crime, and some have raised the possibility that more guns in circulation lead to more thefts of weapons and to more shootings by the police.
“The weight of the evidence has shifted in the direction that more guns equals more crime,” said John J. Donohue III, a Stanford Law School professor and the author of several recent studies looking at gun regulations and crime.
Much of the research has been around the effects of making handgun licenses easier to obtain, part of what are known as right-to-carry laws, and Mr. Donohue cautioned that only limited data is available on laws that in most cases require no licenses at all.
“I think most people are reasoning by analogy: If you thought that right-to-carry was harmful, this will be worse,” he said.
But John R. Lott Jr., a longtime researcher whose 1998 book, “More Guns, Less Crime,” has been influential among proponents of gun rights, said the newer studies did not take into account differences between state handgun regulations that might account for increases in crime. He also pointed to some recent crime declines in Texas cities after the permitless carry law went into effect, and to what he saw as the importance of increasing lawful gun ownership in high-crime areas.
“If my research convinces me of anything,” Mr. Lott said, “it’s that you’re going to get the biggest reduction in crime if the people who are most likely victims of violent crime, predominantly poor Blacks, are the ones who are getting the permits.”
In Dallas, there has been a rise in the number of homicides deemed to be justifiable, such as those conducted in self-defense, even as overall shootings have declined from last year’s high levels.
“We’ve had justifiable shootings where potential victims have defended themselves,” said the Dallas police chief, Eddie Garcia. “It cuts both ways.”
Last October in Port Arthur, Texas, a man with a handgun, who had a license, saw two armed robbers at a Church’s Chicken and fired through the drive-through window, fatally striking one of the men and wounding the other. His actions were praised by the local district attorney.
Michael Mata, the president of the local police union in Dallas, said that he and his fellow officers had seen no increase in violent crime tied to the new permitless carry law, though there were “absolutely” more guns on the street.
Sheriff David Soward of Atascosa County, a rural area south of San Antonio, said he had also seen no apparent increase in shootings. “Only a small percentage of people actually take advantage of the law,” he said.
But for many law enforcement officers, the connection between the new law and spontaneous shootings has been readily apparent.
“Now that everybody can carry a weapon, we have people who drink and start shooting each other,” said Sheriff Tom Schmerber of Maverick County, which includes Eagle Pass. “People get emotional,” he said, “and instead of reaching for a fist, they reach for a weapon. We’ve had several shootings like that.”
Handgun licenses are still available. The process involves a background check and a roughly five-hour training course, including on a shooting range, that covers the legal troubles that can arise when opening fire.
The number of new permits sought by Texans surged with the pandemic, but then sharply declined through 2021, as the permitless carry bill moved through the Legislature. An average of fewer than 5,000 a month were issued in 2022, lower than at any point going back to 2017.
Many Texans still seek the license because of the benefits it affords, including the ability to carry a concealed handgun into a government meeting. But it is no longer necessary.
“Somebody could go into Academy Sporting Goods here in El Paso and purchase a handgun and walk out with it after their background check,” said Ryan Urrutia, a commander at the El Paso Sheriff’s office. “It really puts law enforcement at a disadvantage because it puts more guns on the street that can be used against us.”
The law still bars carrying a handgun for those convicted of a felony, who are intoxicated or committing another crime. In Harris County, criminal cases involving illegal weapons possession have sharply increased since the new law went into effect: 3,500 so far this year, as of the middle of October, versus 2,300 in all of 2021 and an average of about 1,000 cases in prior years going back to 2012.
“It’s shocking,” said Kim Ogg, the Harris County district attorney. “We’ve seen more carrying weapons, which by itself would be legal. But people are carrying the weapons while committing other crimes, and I’m not talking just about violent crimes. I’m talking about intoxication crimes or driving crimes or property crimes, carrying weapons on school property or in another prohibited place,” including bars and school grounds.
Her office provided a sampling of arrests in the last few weeks: a 21-year-old man carrying a pistol and a second magazine while walking through the grounds of an elementary school during school hours; a man jumping from his car and opening fire at the driver of Tesla in a fit of road rage; a woman, while helping her little brother into a car, turning to shoot at another woman after an argument over a social media video.
In the case of Mr. Earls, the man accused of fatally shooting 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at a fleeing robber, Ms. Ogg’s office presented evidence to a grand jury of charges ranging from negligent homicide to murder. The grand jury rejected those charges.
A lawyer for Mr. Earls declined to make him available to comment. The man who robbed Mr. Earls and his wife remains unidentified, Ms. Ogg said.
In May, a committee of the Texas House heard testimony from gun rights advocates who praised the passage of permitless carry and argued that it may be time to go further.
Rachel Malone, of Gun Owners of America, outlined some of her group’s priorities for the next legislative session.
“I think it would be appropriate to move the age for permitless carry to 18,” she told the committee. “There’s really no reason why a legal adult should not be able to defend themselves.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/26/us/texas-guns-permitless.html
a federal court in Texas found that a state law barring adults under 21 from carrying a handgun was unconstitutional. Gov. Greg Abbott has suggested he agreed,
But fuck me, don’t even think about holding a can of beer, young un.
shit hole country
dv said:
shit hole country
I can’t believe that kii is leaving.
dv said:
shit hole country
The kid killed doesn’t even matter in the slightest, bit of an inconvenience and that’s it
dv said:
shit hole country
Texan “Those are murdering words, god willing”
While Senator Ted Cruz was getting booed by New Yorkers at the Yankees game over the weekend, he was apparently busy lusting over a “gorgeous woman” sitting in the stands behind him — so much so, that he recounted the story himself on his podcast this week
The Texas senator had traveled to godless NYC to see the Houston Astros play against the Yankees, and claims he spent the whole time trying not to look at a woman in a halter top so as to avoid the media turning it into something shady.
Cruz ultimately did the media’s job himself with the way he told the story, explaining, “My buddy Jeff…leans over and tells me, ‘Okay, she’s behind you. She’s selling an NFT.’ So she had some sign and she’s selling it and she has, to use the Monty Python phrase, ‘She has great tracts of land!’”
Cruz continued going on about this woman and his struggle to not get photographed or caught on video looking at her breasts for even a second.
“I have to admit, the whole damn game, I’m like, I’m looking forward, or if I turn around, my eyes are up, dammit,” he said.
He then claimed that he actually took a selfie with her before the game, which pretty much makes it worse that he interacted with this woman prior to deciding to objectify her on his podcast. But that was okay, because she was allegedly wearing a jacket at the time. Or, as Cruz’s cohost put it, that was “when she looked normal.”
Naturally, there are people on Twitter defending Cruz because it’s not a crime to look at a woman or find her attractive, but they’re missing the point. He claims he went to all this trouble to avoid getting caught looking at her…then told a whole story days later patting himself on the back and making things weird all the same. That’s the creep behavior.
https://god.dailydot.com/ted-cruz-gorgeous-woman/
sarahs mum said:
While Senator Ted Cruz was getting booed by New Yorkers at the Yankees game over the weekend, he was apparently busy lusting over a “gorgeous woman” sitting in the stands behind him — so much so, that he recounted the story himself on his podcast this weekThe Texas senator had traveled to godless NYC to see the Houston Astros play against the Yankees, and claims he spent the whole time trying not to look at a woman in a halter top so as to avoid the media turning it into something shady.
Cruz ultimately did the media’s job himself with the way he told the story, explaining, “My buddy Jeff…leans over and tells me, ‘Okay, she’s behind you. She’s selling an NFT.’ So she had some sign and she’s selling it and she has, to use the Monty Python phrase, ‘She has great tracts of land!’”
Cruz continued going on about this woman and his struggle to not get photographed or caught on video looking at her breasts for even a second.
“I have to admit, the whole damn game, I’m like, I’m looking forward, or if I turn around, my eyes are up, dammit,” he said.
He then claimed that he actually took a selfie with her before the game, which pretty much makes it worse that he interacted with this woman prior to deciding to objectify her on his podcast. But that was okay, because she was allegedly wearing a jacket at the time. Or, as Cruz’s cohost put it, that was “when she looked normal.”
Naturally, there are people on Twitter defending Cruz because it’s not a crime to look at a woman or find her attractive, but they’re missing the point. He claims he went to all this trouble to avoid getting caught looking at her…then told a whole story days later patting himself on the back and making things weird all the same. That’s the creep behavior.
https://god.dailydot.com/ted-cruz-gorgeous-woman/
Certainly weird.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
While Senator Ted Cruz was getting booed by New Yorkers at the Yankees game over the weekend, he was apparently busy lusting over a “gorgeous woman” sitting in the stands behind him — so much so, that he recounted the story himself on his podcast this weekThe Texas senator had traveled to godless NYC to see the Houston Astros play against the Yankees, and claims he spent the whole time trying not to look at a woman in a halter top so as to avoid the media turning it into something shady.
Cruz ultimately did the media’s job himself with the way he told the story, explaining, “My buddy Jeff…leans over and tells me, ‘Okay, she’s behind you. She’s selling an NFT.’ So she had some sign and she’s selling it and she has, to use the Monty Python phrase, ‘She has great tracts of land!’”
Cruz continued going on about this woman and his struggle to not get photographed or caught on video looking at her breasts for even a second.
“I have to admit, the whole damn game, I’m like, I’m looking forward, or if I turn around, my eyes are up, dammit,” he said.
He then claimed that he actually took a selfie with her before the game, which pretty much makes it worse that he interacted with this woman prior to deciding to objectify her on his podcast. But that was okay, because she was allegedly wearing a jacket at the time. Or, as Cruz’s cohost put it, that was “when she looked normal.”
Naturally, there are people on Twitter defending Cruz because it’s not a crime to look at a woman or find her attractive, but they’re missing the point. He claims he went to all this trouble to avoid getting caught looking at her…then told a whole story days later patting himself on the back and making things weird all the same. That’s the creep behavior.
https://god.dailydot.com/ted-cruz-gorgeous-woman/
Certainly weird.
I mean I guess he knows what will win votes.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
While Senator Ted Cruz was getting booed by New Yorkers at the Yankees game over the weekend, he was apparently busy lusting over a “gorgeous woman” sitting in the stands behind him — so much so, that he recounted the story himself on his podcast this weekThe Texas senator had traveled to godless NYC to see the Houston Astros play against the Yankees, and claims he spent the whole time trying not to look at a woman in a halter top so as to avoid the media turning it into something shady.
Cruz ultimately did the media’s job himself with the way he told the story, explaining, “My buddy Jeff…leans over and tells me, ‘Okay, she’s behind you. She’s selling an NFT.’ So she had some sign and she’s selling it and she has, to use the Monty Python phrase, ‘She has great tracts of land!’”
Cruz continued going on about this woman and his struggle to not get photographed or caught on video looking at her breasts for even a second.
“I have to admit, the whole damn game, I’m like, I’m looking forward, or if I turn around, my eyes are up, dammit,” he said.
He then claimed that he actually took a selfie with her before the game, which pretty much makes it worse that he interacted with this woman prior to deciding to objectify her on his podcast. But that was okay, because she was allegedly wearing a jacket at the time. Or, as Cruz’s cohost put it, that was “when she looked normal.”
Naturally, there are people on Twitter defending Cruz because it’s not a crime to look at a woman or find her attractive, but they’re missing the point. He claims he went to all this trouble to avoid getting caught looking at her…then told a whole story days later patting himself on the back and making things weird all the same. That’s the creep behavior.
https://god.dailydot.com/ted-cruz-gorgeous-woman/
Certainly weird.
I mean I guess he knows what will win votes.
Just a bit crazy that his followers are willing to treat his podcasts as a “private” communication, distinct from his “public” behaviour which apparently has to follow different rules.
dv said:
I mean I guess he knows what will win votes.
Lies. Same as always.
ah, democracy, the great government of showbiz
SCIENCE said:
ah, democracy, the great government of showbiz
The freak side show works better
‘I wish there was an old Republican bloke here to make our reproductive decisions for us.’
‘He Failed’: Woodward Reveals Trump’s ‘Danger’ In Newly Released Tapes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wki-Qa8i6pk
‘Everything is mine.’
Paul Pelosi Reportedly Attacked With A Hammer, Motive For San Francisco Assault Under Investigation
Home invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7jwvFNOKaA
‘Where is Nancy?’: Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi’s husband, source says
The assailant who attacked Paul Pelosi was searching for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, according to a source briefed on the attack. CNN’s Jamie Gangel, Evan Perez and Manu Raju report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC3n9LvF4s
That reminds me, there were 3 more convictions in the kindap of Governor Whitmer.
On October 26, 2022, Bellar, Morrison and Musico were convicted of materially aiding a terrorist and being a member of a gang as part of a plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Certainly weird.
I mean I guess he knows what will win votes.
Just a bit crazy that his followers are willing to treat his podcasts as a “private” communication, distinct from his “public” behaviour which apparently has to follow different rules.
It is America.
sarahs mum said:
‘Where is Nancy?’: Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi’s husband, source saysThe assailant who attacked Paul Pelosi was searching for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, according to a source briefed on the attack. CNN’s Jamie Gangel, Evan Perez and Manu Raju report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC3n9LvF4s
Armed with a hammer. Premeditated attempt to murder.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
‘Where is Nancy?’: Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi’s husband, source saysThe assailant who attacked Paul Pelosi was searching for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, according to a source briefed on the attack. CNN’s Jamie Gangel, Evan Perez and Manu Raju report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC3n9LvF4s
Armed with a hammer. Premeditated attempt to murder.
Unamerican.
He should have used a gun.
dv said:
That reminds me, there were 3 more convictions in the kindap of Governor Whitmer.
On October 26, 2022, Bellar, Morrison and Musico were convicted of materially aiding a terrorist and being a member of a gang as part of a plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer.
Oh, those awful people from the radical left! They’re the cause of all of America’s woes!
Margerie and Valerie screaming from the gallery – “ Maxwell must go free!”
The judge does not agree.. and he tells them so, o,o,oooo
sarahs mum said:
‘Where is Nancy?’: Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi’s husband, source saysThe assailant who attacked Paul Pelosi was searching for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, according to a source briefed on the attack. CNN’s Jamie Gangel, Evan Perez and Manu Raju report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC3n9LvF4s
The man who allegedly attacked Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi’s husband, with a hammer has been named as David Depape by the San Francisco Police Department.
An online blog named frenlyfrens.com was started in August of this year by a person with the screen name DavidDepape, which featured a number of disturbing conspiracy-led posts and rants.
https://www.frenlyfrens.com/
fsm said:
sarahs mum said:
‘Where is Nancy?’: Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi’s husband, source saysThe assailant who attacked Paul Pelosi was searching for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, according to a source briefed on the attack. CNN’s Jamie Gangel, Evan Perez and Manu Raju report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC3n9LvF4s
The man who allegedly attacked Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi’s husband, with a hammer has been named as David Depape by the San Francisco Police Department.
An online blog named frenlyfrens.com was started in August of this year by a person with the screen name DavidDepape, which featured a number of disturbing conspiracy-led posts and rants.
https://www.frenlyfrens.com/
it is a shame he wasn’t killed by security.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
‘Where is Nancy?’: Assailant shouted before attacking Pelosi’s husband, source saysThe assailant who attacked Paul Pelosi was searching for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, according to a source briefed on the attack. CNN’s Jamie Gangel, Evan Perez and Manu Raju report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC3n9LvF4s
Armed with a hammer. Premeditated attempt to murder.
Unamerican.
He should have used a gun.
Armie Hammer
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Armed with a hammer. Premeditated attempt to murder.
Unamerican.
He should have used a gun.
Armie Hammer
M C Hammer
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Unamerican.
He should have used a gun.
Armie Hammer
M C Hammer
His condition is described from a few scratches to life and death open brain surgery.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Armie Hammer
M C Hammer
His condition is described from a few scratches to life and death open brain surgery.
Paul’s?
The news said he was in hospital with what are believed to be non life threatening.
https://youtu.be/dQ3mCC4gyTY
Herschel Walker, Lindsey Graham – token black guy
Pelosi Home Invasion Comes After Years Of Trump Targeting The Speaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihyx4Ftdur8
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So the police arrived on the scene in time to catch the attack and disarm the man. It seems it could have been a lot worse.
this is all communism’s fault
SCIENCE said:
this is all communism’s fault
The same applies here.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:this is all communism’s fault
The same applies here.
Yes. It was designed that way :)
So the interests of larger states can’t override the interests of the smaller states. There has to be some consideration of the cost/benefit to all, rather than just the most populous states.
A necessary check & balance you might say.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:this is all communism’s fault
The same applies here.
Yes. It was designed that way :)
So the interests of larger states can’t override the interests of the smaller states. There has to be some consideration of the cost/benefit to all, rather than just the most populous states.
A necessary check & balance you might say.
Exactly, which is why John Burn Murdock appears to be a bit of a clueless idiot.
Pelosi hammer attacker : green party member
wookiemeister said:
Pelosi hammer attacker : green party member
Social media accounts under the name David Depape recently posted about far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, including the cult-like QAnon movement.
Nothing to do with green party.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
Pelosi hammer attacker : green party member
Social media accounts under the name David Depape recently posted about far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, including the cult-like QAnon movement.
Nothing to do with green party.
pholse phlagh
wookiemeister said:
Pelosi hammer attacker : green party member
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/What-we-know-about-David-DePape-man-accused-of-17542056.php
Referring to ‘a wedding that would double as a pro-public-nudity demonstration on the steps of City Hall in 2013’ where David Depape was ‘best man’:
‘At the time, DePape listed himself in San Francisco voting records as a member of the left-leaning Green Party. But later, he seemed to go through a political metamorphosis, recasting himself as an evangelist for alt-right conspiracy theories.’
So, that was nearly ten years ago, and he’s hasn’t been associated with that party for years.
‘Some conservatives, meanwhile, (have) sought to portray the attack as motivated by leftists, citing DePape’s onetime registration with the Green Party.’
“He’s really one of theirs, he’s not one of ours, honest.”
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Pelosi hammer attacker : green party member
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/What-we-know-about-David-DePape-man-accused-of-17542056.php
Referring to ‘a wedding that would double as a pro-public-nudity demonstration on the steps of City Hall in 2013’ where David Depape was ‘best man’:
‘At the time, DePape listed himself in San Francisco voting records as a member of the left-leaning Green Party. But later, he seemed to go through a political metamorphosis, recasting himself as an evangelist for alt-right conspiracy theories.’
So, that was nearly ten years ago, and he’s hasn’t been associated with that party for years.
‘Some conservatives, meanwhile, (have) sought to portray the attack as motivated by leftists, citing DePape’s onetime registration with the Green Party.’
“He’s really one of theirs, he’s not one of ours, honest.”
Oops. Better fix those italics.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-30/guantanamo-bay-oldest-detainee-released/101594438
That really is a disgusting state of affairs.
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-30/guantanamo-bay-oldest-detainee-released/101594438That really is a disgusting state of affairs.
^^
yeah.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-30/guantanamo-bay-oldest-detainee-released/101594438That really is a disgusting state of affairs.
^^
yeah.
He doesn’t look like a violent man.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-30/guantanamo-bay-oldest-detainee-released/101594438That really is a disgusting state of affairs.
^^
yeah.
He doesn’t look like a violent man.
Frequently said of serial killers when they’re identified.
“Yesterday morning, a violent man broke into our family home, demanded to confront me and brutally attacked my husband Paul,” Pelosi wrote. “Our children, our grandchildren and I are heartbroken and traumatized by the life-threatening attack on our Pop. We are grateful for the quick response of law enforcement and emergency services, and for the life-saving medical care he is receiving.”
“Please know that the outpouring of prayers and warm wishes from so many in the Congress is a comfort to our family and is helping Paul make progress with his recovery. His condition continues to improve,” she wrote, as her husband reportedly remained at San Francisco General Hospital.
“We are also comforted by the words of the Book of Isaiah: ‘Do not fear, for I am with you. Do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you. I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.’ We thank you and pray for the continued safety and well-being of your family.”
Praise the Lord.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:^^
yeah.
He doesn’t look like a violent man.
Frequently said of serial killers when they’re identified.
In contrast, this bloke does look violently inclined.
The man who clubbed US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband in the head with hammer, shouting “Where is Nancy?” after forcing his way into the couple’s San Francisco home, faces charges of attempted murder as well as other felonies.
Only Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
SCIENCE said:
Only Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
OK, having established that, what’s the next point on the agenda?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Only Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
OK, having established that, what’s the next point on the agenda?
That after establishing that Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
That Iran has problems with stubborn old men in beards wearing strange hats.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Only Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
OK, having established that, what’s the next point on the agenda?
That after establishing that Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
That Iran has problems with stubborn old men in beards wearing strange hats.
Agreed, but with amendment to show that Iran is not unique in this regard.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:OK, having established that, what’s the next point on the agenda?
That after establishing that Iran Are An Intolerant Theocracy
That Iran has problems with stubborn old men in beards wearing strange hats.
Agreed, but with amendment to show that Iran is not unique in this regard.
Correct.
New Details On Why Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car On Jan. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU2wL0vIfGg
sarahs mum said:
New Details On Why Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car On Jan. 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU2wL0vIfGg
That is dark.
Late shifts in the polls suggest that there’s a pretty decent chance that the Republicans will regain control of both Houses of Congress. This stymying of the Democratic agenda will probably lead to a Republican victory in 2024. Biden’s approval ratings are still around 42% – 43%, while Trump’s have dropped to around 39%, so perhaps the next president will be deSantis or someone like that.
If the Rs do get the Senate back it will mean that in the event of the death of any of their septuagenarian Supreme Court justices they’ll just go on strike as they did in 2016, refusing to consider any of the new nominees until the next presidential election. The state-level polls are also looking pretty decent for the Republicans so the rollback of abortion rights will continue unabated. Voter rights legislation will go nowhere, gerrymanders will be cemented.
It’s possible there will be a polling miss but the fact that this is even a close matter highlights how very different the USA is. If the Liberals had won this year, it would have been a disappointment for me personally because of my political priorities on corruption and the environment, but it wouldn’t have made me feel the nation was in peril, but the USA really is in peril as a nation that is broadly democratic, in which everyone can expect fair voting access and no one is above the law.
dv said:
Late shifts in the polls suggest that there’s a pretty decent chance that the Republicans will regain control of both Houses of Congress. This stymying of the Democratic agenda will probably lead to a Republican victory in 2024. Biden’s approval ratings are still around 42% – 43%, while Trump’s have dropped to around 39%, so perhaps the next president will be deSantis or someone like that.If the Rs do get the Senate back it will mean that in the event of the death of any of their septuagenarian Supreme Court justices they’ll just go on strike as they did in 2016, refusing to consider any of the new nominees until the next presidential election. The state-level polls are also looking pretty decent for the Republicans so the rollback of abortion rights will continue unabated. Voter rights legislation will go nowhere, gerrymanders will be cemented.
It’s possible there will be a polling miss but the fact that this is even a close matter highlights how very different the USA is. If the Liberals had won this year, it would have been a disappointment for me personally because of my political priorities on corruption and the environment, but it wouldn’t have made me feel the nation was in peril, but the USA really is in peril as a nation that is broadly democratic, in which everyone can expect fair voting access and no one is above the law.
It might not all be bad news. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are quite a few women voting Democrat for the first time but of course it all depends where they live. National polls might also not reflect local races very well either IMO.
…
Distinguished persons of the week: They can help avert democracy’s demise
By Jennifer Rubin
Columnist
October 30, 2022 at 7:45 a.m. EDT
If Democrats are to avert a red wave this November — thereby protecting democracy in the process — they will need help from two key demographics: women and younger voters. Fortunately, early data suggest both are highly engaged this cycle.
Key issues at the heart of the midterms are crucial to these demographic groups, especially abortion. The Public Religion Research Institute’s annual American Values Study of more than 2,500 Americans finds that 68 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 oppose reversing abortion rights. The same is true for 62 percent of women (compared to 58 percent of men).
That matters for Democrats. The poll reports: “Women are more likely than men to say they are very motivated by the issue (49% vs. 41%). Democratic women (66%) are seven percentage points more likely than Democratic men (59%) to say this. . . . Among all women, those ages 18–29 are more likely than their male counterparts to say they are very motivated to vote (46% vs. 32%).”
Likewise, women and younger voters align more closely with Democrats on immigration issues. “The majority of young Americans ages 18–29 (54%) support a pathway to citizenship or residency, compared with 45% of Americans ages 30–40, 33% of those ages 50-64, and 34% of Americans 65 years and over. Women are notably more likely than men to agree with this policy (45% vs. 38%).”
This shouldn’t be surprising since women and younger voters are more likely to be Democrats than their male or older counterparts. In 2020, voters ages 18 to 24 gave Joe Biden more support (65 percent) than any other age group. Biden also generated one of the largest gender gaps on record, drawing support from 57 percent of women and only 45 percent of men.
So how engaged are women and younger voters in the midterms? In early September, Tom Bonier, a Democratic strategist and head of progressive polling firm TargetSmart, wrote for the New York Times, “In my 28 years of analyzing elections, I had never seen anything like what’s happened in the past two months in American politics: Women are registering to vote in numbers I never witnessed before.”
By Wednesday, he found that early voting in some states are showing a huge gender gap — a 14-point advantage for women in Pennsylvania, for example. Meanwhile in Georgia, women had a nearly 10-point advantage.
Early-voting data should be considered with a healthy dose of caution. Male voters — who tend to be more Republican — have plenty of time to “catch up” with their female counterparts. But every early vote that’s been cast is one that won’t be prevented by bad weather, traffic, illness, polling place confusion or voter intimidation. And because women make up about 57 percent of Democrats, according to the PRRI survey, Democrats will benefit.
Meanwhile, young voters might end up being Democrats’ ace in the whole. NBC News reports, “in the 2018 midterms, a record-high 36% of all eligible voters ages 18-29 cast ballots in that election — up from the approximately 25% in past midterm cycles.” This year, “experts believe that level of youth participation will carry over to November’s midterms, with polls showing voters aged 18-29 are almost as enthusiastic as they were in 2018.”
Another recent Harvard Youth poll finds, “Youth turnout in the 2022 midterm elections is on track to match — or potentially exceed — 2018’s historic level of participation,” with new college grads and those in Senate battleground states most likely to vote. Moreover, “Since spring 2022 … the advantage for Democrats has increased 5 points overall (from +21 in spring to +26 in fall) — much of which is driven by heightened support from young women and college students.”
Given the importance of the age group, Biden’s student debt relief proposal makes perfect sense. Rise Free, a student political organization, found in mid-September, “72% of young voters support the plan. 48% of young voters say they’re more likely to vote because of it. 66% of youth who said they’re more likely to vote are more likely to vote for Democrats.”
This could make the difference in close races. In Wisconsin, for example, there are about 340,000 college students. As the Madison-based Cap Times reported, “The Tufts institute ranked Wisconsin as the No. 1 state where young voters could have an especially high likelihood of influencing election results in the governor’s race and No. 5 in the senate race.”
Women and young voters so far appear to be taking their civic responsibility to vote seriously. Their continued participation might allow Democrats to win tough states and districts in a slew of close contests. If you believe, as I do, that democracy and the rule of law are imperiled, and that only one party is dedicated to preserving them, you should be cheering on these voters. If they turn out in droves, the MAGA movement will suffer.
For pulling their weight in the defense of democracy, we can say to women and younger voters, well done. And please, for the country’s sake, keep it up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/30/midterms-democrats-women-young-voters-turnout/
heard some expatriates are getting out quick
dv said:
USA really is in peril as a nation that is broadly democratic, in which everyone can expect fair voting access and no one is above the law.
LOL
A dangerous situation for you is just as dangerous for those around you. Research by psychologist John Drury from the University of Sussex demonstrates that altruism and mutual assistance are key to avoiding tragedy. A united crowd is more likely to survive than a crowd of individualists. So remain human and be kind to others, offer help when you can, avoid tripping up those around you and look out for the weakest members of the group. This will benefit everyone, yourself included.
dv said:
Late shifts in the polls suggest that there’s a pretty decent chance that the Republicans will regain control of both Houses of Congress. This stymying of the Democratic agenda will probably lead to a Republican victory in 2024. Biden’s approval ratings are still around 42% – 43%, while Trump’s have dropped to around 39%, so perhaps the next president will be deSantis or someone like that.If the Rs do get the Senate back it will mean that in the event of the death of any of their septuagenarian Supreme Court justices they’ll just go on strike as they did in 2016, refusing to consider any of the new nominees until the next presidential election. The state-level polls are also looking pretty decent for the Republicans so the rollback of abortion rights will continue unabated. Voter rights legislation will go nowhere, gerrymanders will be cemented.
It’s possible there will be a polling miss but the fact that this is even a close matter highlights how very different the USA is. If the Liberals had won this year, it would have been a disappointment for me personally because of my political priorities on corruption and the environment, but it wouldn’t have made me feel the nation was in peril, but the USA really is in peril as a nation that is broadly democratic, in which everyone can expect fair voting access and no one is above the law.
It seems there is a very good chance that the GOP will win regain the house, the FiveThirtyEight model has them a a slightly better then 4 in 5 chance to win a majority. The house seems to be more of a coin flip, but the house is gerrymandered to fuck so it’s all going to come down to just a few seats. Either way, it seems unlikely the Dems will have any legislative control outside of a Presidential veto.
The Dems needs to do what the GOP did forty years ago and go back to concentrating on grassroots politics… They need to win back control of the gubernatorial races and the state legislatures, and from there change the underlying contestability of the house by gerrymandering the seats as well.. It’s actually laughable how few of the electoral horse races are truly contestable.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Late shifts in the polls suggest that there’s a pretty decent chance that the Republicans will regain control of both Houses of Congress. This stymying of the Democratic agenda will probably lead to a Republican victory in 2024. Biden’s approval ratings are still around 42% – 43%, while Trump’s have dropped to around 39%, so perhaps the next president will be deSantis or someone like that.If the Rs do get the Senate back it will mean that in the event of the death of any of their septuagenarian Supreme Court justices they’ll just go on strike as they did in 2016, refusing to consider any of the new nominees until the next presidential election. The state-level polls are also looking pretty decent for the Republicans so the rollback of abortion rights will continue unabated. Voter rights legislation will go nowhere, gerrymanders will be cemented.
It’s possible there will be a polling miss but the fact that this is even a close matter highlights how very different the USA is. If the Liberals had won this year, it would have been a disappointment for me personally because of my political priorities on corruption and the environment, but it wouldn’t have made me feel the nation was in peril, but the USA really is in peril as a nation that is broadly democratic, in which everyone can expect fair voting access and no one is above the law.
It seems there is a very good chance that the GOP will win regain the house, the FiveThirtyEight model has them a a slightly better then 4 in 5 chance to win a majority. The house seems to be more of a coin flip, but the house is gerrymandered to fuck so it’s all going to come down to just a few seats. Either way, it seems unlikely the Dems will have any legislative control outside of a Presidential veto.
The Dems needs to do what the GOP did forty years ago and go back to concentrating on grassroots politics… They need to win back control of the gubernatorial races and the state legislatures, and from there change the underlying contestability of the house by gerrymandering the seats as well.. It’s actually laughable how few of the electoral horse races are truly contestable.
You’d think an independent electoral commission wouldn’t go astray.
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Late shifts in the polls suggest that there’s a pretty decent chance that the Republicans will regain control of both Houses of Congress. This stymying of the Democratic agenda will probably lead to a Republican victory in 2024. Biden’s approval ratings are still around 42% – 43%, while Trump’s have dropped to around 39%, so perhaps the next president will be deSantis or someone like that.If the Rs do get the Senate back it will mean that in the event of the death of any of their septuagenarian Supreme Court justices they’ll just go on strike as they did in 2016, refusing to consider any of the new nominees until the next presidential election. The state-level polls are also looking pretty decent for the Republicans so the rollback of abortion rights will continue unabated. Voter rights legislation will go nowhere, gerrymanders will be cemented.
It’s possible there will be a polling miss but the fact that this is even a close matter highlights how very different the USA is. If the Liberals had won this year, it would have been a disappointment for me personally because of my political priorities on corruption and the environment, but it wouldn’t have made me feel the nation was in peril, but the USA really is in peril as a nation that is broadly democratic, in which everyone can expect fair voting access and no one is above the law.
It seems there is a very good chance that the GOP will win regain the house, the FiveThirtyEight model has them a a slightly better then 4 in 5 chance to win a majority. The house seems to be more of a coin flip, but the house is gerrymandered to fuck so it’s all going to come down to just a few seats. Either way, it seems unlikely the Dems will have any legislative control outside of a Presidential veto.
The Dems needs to do what the GOP did forty years ago and go back to concentrating on grassroots politics… They need to win back control of the gubernatorial races and the state legislatures, and from there change the underlying contestability of the house by gerrymandering the seats as well.. It’s actually laughable how few of the electoral horse races are truly contestable.
You’d think an independent electoral commission wouldn’t go astray.
I’m not sure you understand Mr Australian Citizen… That would never work, you see, America is a federation of states..
… hang on a sec…
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:It seems there is a very good chance that the GOP will win regain the house, the FiveThirtyEight model has them a a slightly better then 4 in 5 chance to win a majority. The house seems to be more of a coin flip, but the house is gerrymandered to fuck so it’s all going to come down to just a few seats. Either way, it seems unlikely the Dems will have any legislative control outside of a Presidential veto.
The Dems needs to do what the GOP did forty years ago and go back to concentrating on grassroots politics… They need to win back control of the gubernatorial races and the state legislatures, and from there change the underlying contestability of the house by gerrymandering the seats as well.. It’s actually laughable how few of the electoral horse races are truly contestable.
You’d think an independent electoral commission wouldn’t go astray.
I’m not sure you understand Mr Australian Citizen… That would never work, you see, America is a federation of states..
… hang on a sec…
Maybe we need to invade and establish democracy…
diddly-squat said:
It’s actually laughable how few of the electoral horse races are truly contestable.
Outside a federal takeover of elections US House gerrymandering is going to be with us for some time, especially given the short shrift some state courts (with elected judges no less) have given ballot measures and state laws explicitly designed to end it but there will always be a clear majority in democratic electorates where most seats are comfortably one side or the other.
I don’t know if the US House is particularly bad when compared with other FPTP or Preferential voting systems. If it were not for the Teals this past Australian federal election would have been decided with only 10% of seats changing hands give or take.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:You’d think an independent electoral commission wouldn’t go astray.
I’m not sure you understand Mr Australian Citizen… That would never work, you see, America is a federation of states..
… hang on a sec…
Maybe we need to invade and establish democracy…
well California should just maraud across the south and take over everything through to Florida
Witty Rejoinder said:
I don’t know if the US House is particularly bad when compared with other FPTP or Preferential voting systems. If it were not for the Teals this past Australian federal election would have been decided with only 10% of seats changing hands give or take.
The Republicans have about a 2.5% advantage, in that if they lost the Congressional vote by 2.5% we’d expect the House to be tied.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I don’t know if the US House is particularly bad when compared with other FPTP or Preferential voting systems. If it were not for the Teals this past Australian federal election would have been decided with only 10% of seats changing hands give or take.
The Republicans have about a 2.5% advantage, in that if they lost the Congressional vote by 2.5% we’d expect the House to be tied.
Is this related to gerrymandering in a way my addled brain can’t process ATM? What would be the percentage of competitive districts if GM didn’t exist?
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I don’t know if the US House is particularly bad when compared with other FPTP or Preferential voting systems. If it were not for the Teals this past Australian federal election would have been decided with only 10% of seats changing hands give or take.
The Republicans have about a 2.5% advantage, in that if they lost the Congressional vote by 2.5% we’d expect the House to be tied.
Is this related to gerrymandering in a way my addled brain can’t process ATM? What would be the percentage of competitive districts if GM didn’t exist?
Systematic bias is a different topic from “percentage of competitive districts”.
Though presumably if the district boundaries were drawn by a neutral agency, the systematic bias would be lower and the percentage of competitive districts would be higher.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:The Republicans have about a 2.5% advantage, in that if they lost the Congressional vote by 2.5% we’d expect the House to be tied.
Is this related to gerrymandering in a way my addled brain can’t process ATM? What would be the percentage of competitive districts if GM didn’t exist?
Systematic bias is a different topic from “percentage of competitive districts”.
Though presumably if the district boundaries were drawn by a neutral agency, the systematic bias would be lower and the percentage of competitive districts would be higher.
or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is this related to gerrymandering in a way my addled brain can’t process ATM? What would be the percentage of competitive districts if GM didn’t exist?
Systematic bias is a different topic from “percentage of competitive districts”.
Though presumably if the district boundaries were drawn by a neutral agency, the systematic bias would be lower and the percentage of competitive districts would be higher.
or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
Or perhaps went with a NZ style mixed martial arts system.
If the Republicans control both the House and the Senate, then they effectively become the government, no matter that Biden i in the White House.
The Republicans will simply block anything and everything that the Democrats and Biden put forward, preferring to see the country and its people suffer rather than permit anything at all that would do credit to Democrats or Biden.
Republican/MAGA/right-wing rhetoric that’s going to get awfully tiresome over the next couple of years will be how everything is going to hell in a handbasket, but ‘but Biden ain’t doin’ a damn thing to fix any of it’.
captain_spalding said:
If the Republicans control both the House and the Senate, then they effectively become the government, no matter that Biden i in the White House.The Republicans will simply block anything and everything that the Democrats and Biden put forward, preferring to see the country and its people suffer rather than permit anything at all that would do credit to Democrats or Biden.
Republican/MAGA/right-wing rhetoric that’s going to get awfully tiresome over the next couple of years will be how everything is going to hell in a handbasket, but ‘but Biden ain’t doin’ a damn thing to fix any of it’.
Obama had this problem.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is this related to gerrymandering in a way my addled brain can’t process ATM? What would be the percentage of competitive districts if GM didn’t exist?
Systematic bias is a different topic from “percentage of competitive districts”.
Though presumably if the district boundaries were drawn by a neutral agency, the systematic bias would be lower and the percentage of competitive districts would be higher.
or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Systematic bias is a different topic from “percentage of competitive districts”.
Though presumably if the district boundaries were drawn by a neutral agency, the systematic bias would be lower and the percentage of competitive districts would be higher.
or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
Or perhaps went with a NZ style mixed martial arts system.
Israel is such a success story!
captain_spalding said:
If the Republicans control both the House and the Senate, then they effectively become the government, no matter that Biden i in the White House.The Republicans will simply block anything and everything that the Democrats and Biden put forward, preferring to see the country and its people suffer rather than permit anything at all that would do credit to Democrats or Biden.
Republican/MAGA/right-wing rhetoric that’s going to get awfully tiresome over the next couple of years will be how everything is going to hell in a handbasket, but ‘but Biden ain’t doin’ a damn thing to fix any of it’.
in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
If the Republicans control both the House and the Senate, then they effectively become the government, no matter that Biden i in the White House.The Republicans will simply block anything and everything that the Democrats and Biden put forward, preferring to see the country and its people suffer rather than permit anything at all that would do credit to Democrats or Biden.
Republican/MAGA/right-wing rhetoric that’s going to get awfully tiresome over the next couple of years will be how everything is going to hell in a handbasket, but ‘but Biden ain’t doin’ a damn thing to fix any of it’.
in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
Fill me in.
diddly-squat said:
in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
The bed-linen manufacturers will be pleased. Sales of sheets will soar, along with scissors for cutting the eye-holes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Systematic bias is a different topic from “percentage of competitive districts”.
Though presumably if the district boundaries were drawn by a neutral agency, the systematic bias would be lower and the percentage of competitive districts would be higher.
or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
The bed-linen manufacturers will be pleased. Sales of sheets will soar, along with scissors for cutting the eye-holes.
Our cotton farmers could benefit if they could get onto any paddock.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
If the Republicans control both the House and the Senate, then they effectively become the government, no matter that Biden i in the White House.The Republicans will simply block anything and everything that the Democrats and Biden put forward, preferring to see the country and its people suffer rather than permit anything at all that would do credit to Democrats or Biden.
Republican/MAGA/right-wing rhetoric that’s going to get awfully tiresome over the next couple of years will be how everything is going to hell in a handbasket, but ‘but Biden ain’t doin’ a damn thing to fix any of it’.
in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
Fill me in.
as surprising as it may sound, the GOP is actually a very popular political party in the US.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
Fill me in.
as surprising as it may sound, the GOP is actually a very popular political party in the US.
With the Republicans.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
Sure but who’s to decide where you get started? There would need to be a process involved unless you were willing to use past electorates which might mean you were adopting some of the problems of the prior system.
diddly-squat said:
as surprising as it may sound, the GOP is actually a very popular political party in the US.
Yes, they’ll be ecstatic that not only do they have a government which is going to spend a great deal of time ensuring that the Republicans never lose an election again (i think we’ve seen the last US election for which the outcome will not be pre-ordained), but, for now, they also have a Democrat President on whom they can heap blame for whatever the aren’t happy with.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
Sure but who’s to decide where you get started? There would need to be a process involved unless you were willing to use past electorates which might mean you were adopting some of the problems of the prior system.
Simply pit them back the way they were when Labor were winning. The Libs will do the same the next time they get in.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:as surprising as it may sound, the GOP is actually a very popular political party in the US.
Yes, they’ll be ecstatic that not only do they have a government which is going to spend a great deal of time ensuring that the Republicans never lose an election again (i think we’ve seen the last US election for which the outcome will not be pre-ordained), but, for now, they also have a Democrat President on whom they can heap blame for whatever the aren’t happy with.
One thing about GOP legislative gridlock with them free to hinder Biden while indulging their populist fancies might be a US in such disarray come 2024 that the Democrats light be a shoe-in.
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:or, if they even just had a standard set of rules that defined how electoral boundaries could be drawn
It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
The democrats actually had a newly drawn electoral map for New York thrown out earlier this year. I’ve been trying to find a copy of it on-line, unfortunately can’t find it. It really was a joy yo behold. Escher would have been proud.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:as surprising as it may sound, the GOP is actually a very popular political party in the US.
Yes, they’ll be ecstatic that not only do they have a government which is going to spend a great deal of time ensuring that the Republicans never lose an election again (i think we’ve seen the last US election for which the outcome will not be pre-ordained), but, for now, they also have a Democrat President on whom they can heap blame for whatever the aren’t happy with.
One thing about GOP legislative gridlock with them free to hinder Biden while indulging their populist fancies might be a US in such disarray come 2024 that the Democrats light be a shoe-in.
I think that’s unlikely. The Republicans have been quietly gerrymandering, stacking, and (through the States) quietly subverting the voting process for a good few years now. Their plan must be near completion, and the result will be that the US effectively becomes a one-party state.
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
The democrats actually had a newly drawn electoral map for New York thrown out earlier this year. I’ve been trying to find a copy of it on-line, unfortunately can’t find it. It really was a joy yo behold. Escher would have been proud.
This is the best resolution I can find.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s an interesting question. How do you start a system of apportionment from scratch? I think in each state to identify the lowest population density area and work from there whereby like districts are grouped and then add counties from there. Starting from highest population density areas forces you to make arbitrary choices between grouping wealthy counties and/or those of lower economic status.
dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
Sure but who’s to decide where you get started? There would need to be a process involved unless you were willing to use past electorates which might mean you were adopting some of the problems of the prior system.
there are “some” constitutional rules that relate to not disadvantaging ethnic/racial groups and generally the electorates are of similar size and you have census data.. but this isn’t ever going to happen.. the best the Dems can hope for is to win back the states then sink to the same level as the GOP and gerrymander the house seats back.. The prblem for the Dems is that there is a demographic bias in the senate to the GOP and there isn’t much they can do to change that outside of trying to appeal more to white, non-college educated, people that live in rural areas.. would also help if they could win over the evangelical vote.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:dude.. I’m talking simple rules.. like boundaries need to be continuous and contiguous
The democrats actually had a newly drawn electoral map for New York thrown out earlier this year. I’ve been trying to find a copy of it on-line, unfortunately can’t find it. It really was a joy yo behold. Escher would have been proud.
This is the best resolution I can find.
outstanding…
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Yes, they’ll be ecstatic that not only do they have a government which is going to spend a great deal of time ensuring that the Republicans never lose an election again (i think we’ve seen the last US election for which the outcome will not be pre-ordained), but, for now, they also have a Democrat President on whom they can heap blame for whatever the aren’t happy with.
One thing about GOP legislative gridlock with them free to hinder Biden while indulging their populist fancies might be a US in such disarray come 2024 that the Democrats light be a shoe-in.
I think that’s unlikely. The Republicans have been quietly gerrymandering, stacking, and (through the States) quietly subverting the voting process for a good few years now. Their plan must be near completion, and the result will be that the US effectively becomes a one-party state.
It will be civil war before a one-party state ever happens.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:One thing about GOP legislative gridlock with them free to hinder Biden while indulging their populist fancies might be a US in such disarray come 2024 that the Democrats light be a shoe-in.
I think that’s unlikely. The Republicans have been quietly gerrymandering, stacking, and (through the States) quietly subverting the voting process for a good few years now. Their plan must be near completion, and the result will be that the US effectively becomes a one-party state.
It will be civil war before a one-party state ever happens.
That one party one state mob have never finished the first civil war yet. They still wave their flag.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
I think that’s unlikely. The Republicans have been quietly gerrymandering, stacking, and (through the States) quietly subverting the voting process for a good few years now. Their plan must be near completion, and the result will be that the US effectively becomes a one-party state.
It will be civil war before a one-party state ever happens.
That one party one state mob have never finished the first civil war yet. They still wave their flag.
fair point
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
If the Republicans control both the House and the Senate, then they effectively become the government, no matter that Biden i in the White House.
The Republicans will simply block anything and everything that the Democrats and Biden put forward, preferring to see the country and its people suffer rather than permit anything at all that would do credit to Democrats or Biden.
Republican/MAGA/right-wing rhetoric that’s going to get awfully tiresome over the next couple of years will be how everything is going to hell in a handbasket, but ‘but Biden ain’t doin’ a damn thing to fix any of it’.
in fairness, there will be a lot of people that will be happy about this change… it’s not all bad
Fill me in.
drugs, drugs make people happy too
dv said:
Damn, NY district 10 could have been a contender if not struck down.
Beau. Wearing an H is for halloween t-shirt.
Let’s talk about the Pelosi reaction….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCHq3_D1EzY
sarahs mum said:
Beau. Wearing an H is for halloween t-shirt.Let’s talk about the Pelosi reaction….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCHq3_D1EzY
there is something a bit horrifying about breaking into an old guy’s house with a hammer in hand. it’s a horror movie right there on your tv.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Beau. Wearing an H is for halloween t-shirt.Let’s talk about the Pelosi reaction….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCHq3_D1EzYthere is something a bit horrifying about breaking into an old guy’s house with a hammer in hand. it’s a horror movie right there on your tv.
Apparently not to Elon.
dv said:
Are you sure that the 3rd district isn’t district 9?
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Beau. Wearing an H is for halloween t-shirt.Let’s talk about the Pelosi reaction….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCHq3_D1EzYthere is something a bit horrifying about breaking into an old guy’s house with a hammer in hand. it’s a horror movie right there on your tv.
I think I saw something about that on the six thirty news.
Donald Trump Junior has posted an idea for a Halloween costume: old man’s white Y-front underpants and a hammer. Meant to represent Paul Pelosi.
Fuck this.
kii said:
Donald Trump Junior has posted an idea for a Halloween costume: old man’s white Y-front underpants and a hammer. Meant to represent Paul Pelosi.Fuck this.
Send him directly to jail and put him in a cell with a sex offender.
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Donald Trump Junior has posted an idea for a Halloween costume: old man’s white Y-front underpants and a hammer. Meant to represent Paul Pelosi.Fuck this.
Send him directly to jail and put him in a cell with a sex offender.
FuckXiJinPing
first dog does signage.
How to defend yourself against Australia’s most dangerous bird? Be CASS-O-WARY!
First Dog on the Moon
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/30/how-can-you-defend-yourself-against-australias-most-dangerous-bird-be-cass-o-wary
I’m old enough to remember when politicians could at least pretend to be saddened or appalled. Even the audience laughs it up.
https://www.fourstateshomepage.com/hill-politics/arizona-governor-candidate-kari-lake-jokes-about-paul-pelosi-attack/
Arizona governor candidate Kari Lake jokes about Paul Pelosi attack
dv said:
I’m old enough to remember when politicians could at least pretend to be saddened or appalled. Even the audience laughs it up.https://www.fourstateshomepage.com/hill-politics/arizona-governor-candidate-kari-lake-jokes-about-paul-pelosi-attack/
Arizona governor candidate Kari Lake jokes about Paul Pelosi attack
No, no, don’t tell me…she’s a Republican, right?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m old enough to remember when politicians could at least pretend to be saddened or appalled. Even the audience laughs it up.https://www.fourstateshomepage.com/hill-politics/arizona-governor-candidate-kari-lake-jokes-about-paul-pelosi-attack/
Arizona governor candidate Kari Lake jokes about Paul Pelosi attack
No, no, don’t tell me…she’s a Republican, right?
Are you psychic?
sarahs mum said:
first dog does signage.
How to defend yourself against Australia’s most dangerous bird? Be CASS-O-WARY!
First Dog on the Moon
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/30/how-can-you-defend-yourself-against-australias-most-dangerous-bird-be-cass-o-wary
:)
i’ve been reading the comments sections in the news about the Pelosi break in /assault. There is so much trolling. so much more than usual. free for all trolling.
It’s bad on the Rachel maddow report.
I’m thinking back a week or two to when the Republican guys had that rally that called on god’s angels to strike down the evil doers including nancy and rachel.
I can’t believe how sick this shit is getting.
sarahs mum said:
i’ve been reading the comments sections in the news about the Pelosi break in /assault. There is so much trolling. so much more than usual. free for all trolling.It’s bad on the Rachel maddow report.
I’m thinking back a week or two to when the Republican guys had that rally that called on god’s angels to strike down the evil doers including nancy and rachel.
I can’t believe how sick this shit is getting.
It is Chinese troll farms pitching in because she visited Taiwan a few weeks ago.
sarahs mum said:
i’ve been reading the comments sections in the news about the Pelosi break in /assault. There is so much trolling. so much more than usual. free for all trolling.It’s bad on the Rachel maddow report.
I’m thinking back a week or two to when the Republican guys had that rally that called on god’s angels to strike down the evil doers including nancy and rachel.
I can’t believe how sick this shit is getting.
The sad thing is that it’s the crazies in the US who vote, and so it’s to them that the Republicans aim their appeals.
If the more sane and perceptive people got off their arses and voted, the GOP wouldn’t have a hope.
steve bannon says bolsonaro CAN’T concede.
Maddow: Trump, Acolytes Are Working To Turn Republicans Against Elections (And Succeeding)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILnLEt1Thuo
sarahs mum said:
steve bannon says bolsonaro CAN’T concede.Maddow: Trump, Acolytes Are Working To Turn Republicans Against Elections (And Succeeding)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILnLEt1Thuo
and the comments/trolling under that. wow.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
steve bannon says bolsonaro CAN’T concede.Maddow: Trump, Acolytes Are Working To Turn Republicans Against Elections (And Succeeding)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILnLEt1Thuo
and the comments/trolling under that. wow.
I’m surprised he didn’t tell Scomo not to concede.
Or maybe he did, and we didn’t hear about it.
MAGA porn, hate for Trump: China-based accounts stoke division
A fake China-based account called MAGA ‘Hot Babe’ was among nearly 2,000 that sought to influence America’s midterms and were removed by Twitter
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/01/china-midterms-twitter-networks/
captain_spalding said:
MAGA porn, hate for Trump: China-based accounts stoke division
A fake China-based account called MAGA ‘Hot Babe’ was among nearly 2,000 that sought to influence America’s midterms and were removed by Twitterhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/01/china-midterms-twitter-networks/
Looks like Elon timed his übernehmen for a reason?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
MAGA porn, hate for Trump: China-based accounts stoke division
A fake China-based account called MAGA ‘Hot Babe’ was among nearly 2,000 that sought to influence America’s midterms and were removed by Twitterhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/01/china-midterms-twitter-networks/
Looks like Elon timed his übernehmen for a reason?
Imagine a Trump porno, birth control I suppose
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
MAGA porn, hate for Trump: China-based accounts stoke division
A fake China-based account called MAGA ‘Hot Babe’ was among nearly 2,000 that sought to influence America’s midterms and were removed by Twitterhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/01/china-midterms-twitter-networks/
Looks like Elon timed his übernehmen for a reason?
Imagine a Trump porno, birth control I suppose
imagine distracting from local fuck ups by pointing CHINA CHINA CHINA all over again
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
MAGA porn, hate for Trump: China-based accounts stoke division
A fake China-based account called MAGA ‘Hot Babe’ was among nearly 2,000 that sought to influence America’s midterms and were removed by Twitterhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/01/china-midterms-twitter-networks/
Looks like Elon timed his übernehmen for a reason?
Imagine a Trump porno, birth control I suppose
Remember during the erection how they had all these Trump sex files that they paid a shed load of money to an ex British spy for.
He’s probably living in the Caribbean now rather than Barnsley.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Looks like Elon timed his übernehmen for a reason?
Imagine a Trump porno, birth control I suppose
Remember during the erection how they had all these Trump sex files that they paid a shed load of money to an ex British spy for.
He’s probably living in the Caribbean now rather than Barnsley.
It’s hard to imagine something quite as appalling as a ‘Trump sex file’.
The New York Times
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For the first time in her political career — in her life, she said — Rep. Liz Cheney on Tuesday was campaigning for a Democrat. “If we want to ensure the survival of the republic, we have to walk away from politics as usual,” she told a crowd in Michigan.
President Joe Biden again said that his son Beau Biden died in Iraq, while catching himself calling the war in Ukraine the Iraq war, while delivering remarks in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on Tuesday.
‘Inflation is a worldwide problem right now,’ the president said. ‘There’s a war in Iraq and the impact on oil and what Russia’s doing. Excuse me, the war in Ukraine.’
‘I’m thinking Iraq, because that’s where my son died – because he died,’ Biden then explained.
Beau Biden, who served as Delaware’s attorney general and in the Delaware Army National Guard in the Iraq War, died at age 46 in 2015 from brain cancer at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland.
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Hang in there Joe for another year or so.
Peak Warming Man said:
President Joe Biden again said that his son Beau Biden died in Iraq, while catching himself calling the war in Ukraine the Iraq war, while delivering remarks in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on Tuesday.
‘Inflation is a worldwide problem right now,’ the president said. ‘There’s a war in Iraq and the impact on oil and what Russia’s doing. Excuse me, the war in Ukraine.’
‘I’m thinking Iraq, because that’s where my son died – because he died,’ Biden then explained.
Beau Biden, who served as Delaware’s attorney general and in the Delaware Army National Guard in the Iraq War, died at age 46 in 2015 from brain cancer at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland.
————————————————-Hang in there Joe for another year or so.
Seeing Biden on tv, you can see the anger in his face when he has to deal with some of the abhorrent people and events that occur.
How to Save America From Extremism by Changing the Way We Vote
Ranked-choice voting, multi-member House districts and other surprisingly simple tinkers that could fix our democracy
By David Montgomery
October 31, 2022 at 9:00 a.m. EDT
The central rite of American democracy — casting a vote — no longer seems to work. Odds are that your vote doesn’t much matter — only 14 percent of all 435 U.S. House races this year are competitive, and just 7 percent are considered toss-ups, according to the Cook Political Report — but the problems run deeper than that. The country is in the grips of a phenomenon that political scientists call “pernicious polarization,” a downward spiral of democratic decay. We are living in one of those crisis moments, Lee Drutman, a senior fellow in political reform at the New America think tank, recently told me, “that happen every now and then in our history, in which it becomes clear that the way we’re doing democracy is undermining liberal democracy. We need to rethink how we do things.”
The problems afflicting us are big — the rise of extremism and authoritarianism, an assault on democratic norms — but some of the solutions may be surprisingly small, and might in fact boil down simply to how we choose our leaders. While America has obviously become more democratic over the centuries — as more and more people have fought for and won the right to vote — we haven’t kept up with innovations around the mechanics of voting. It’s as if Detroit pioneered the automobile but stopped iterating with the 1955 Oldsmobile, while being lapped by Porsches, Maseratis and Mercedes-Benzes.
The very structure of our primaries and many of our state and federal legislative races may be fueling polarization and extremism. “The U.S. is really an outlier when you look at other advanced democracies,” says Jennifer McCoy, a political science professor at Georgia State University who co-authored a study of pernicious polarization for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Only three of 26 established democracies she studied use a system like ours — where, for most House elections and state legislative races, a single person can represent an entire district after winning a plurality, not necessarily a majority, of votes.
Most democracies instead use some form of proportional representation to allow multiple points of view to be represented in a legislature according to their strength in the public. Flavors vary, from Australia and New Zealand to Ireland and Germany. What’s not in doubt, democracy theorists argue, is that certain features of our current system exacerbate our stalemated dysfunction and may even enable a drift toward authoritarianism. It’s no coincidence, they say, that Hungary’s populist strongman, Viktor Orban, and his political party centralized their grip and undermined that country’s democracy in part by instituting some American features, including greater reliance on gerrymandered single-member districts.
It wouldn’t take much to reform our elections and thereby promote a more nuanced politics. There has been no shortage of proposals developed in this vein: from ranked-choice voting, to enlarging the size of the House of Representatives, to scrapping or radically altering primary elections, to placing House members in multi-member districts. None of these ideas would require amending the Constitution, nor have they been co-opted by one side or the other in our fractured political culture.
The concepts have been percolating at the state and local levels, and they’ve been the subject of major recent democracy reinvention projects, including a two-year review by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences with contributors from across the ideological spectrum, and a report by the nonpartisan advocacy group Protect Democracy. In September, more than 200 political scientists sounded these themes in an urgent open letter to Congress. “Our arcane, single-member districting process divides, polarizes, and isolates us from each other,” they wrote as they called for multi-member districts with a proportional-style representation method. “It has effectively extinguished competitive elections for most Americans, and produced a deeply divided political system that is incapable of responding to changing demands and emerging challenges with necessary legitimacy.”
Below is a closer look at some reforms that might restore Election Day’s sense of possibility and purpose — and maybe even save our democracy from self-destructing.
Switch to ranked-choice voting
This system — in which voters rank candidates in order of preference, rather than voting for just one — made headlines over the summer when Alaskans used it to choose Mary Peltola, a moderate Democrat, over former governor Sarah Palin and another Republican in a special election for a U.S. House seat. This Election Day, Nov. 8, Alaska voters will rank their favorite candidates in races for the House, Senate, governor and state legislative seats. Maine also employs this system, as do dozens of local jurisdictions across the country, according to the advocacy group FairVote. Voters in Nevada and several cities will be deciding this year whether to move future elections to ranked-choice voting.
The appeal of this method is that it changes the incentives for candidates and voters in ways that can have a profound and curative impact on democracy. Here’s how it works: In races with more than two candidates, the one who gets the fewest first-choice votes is eliminated. If a voter ranked that candidate first, their vote will be transferred to their second choice. The process is repeated until there’s a winner with more than 50 percent of the votes.
To prevail, candidates must reach beyond their base to become the second and third choices of more voters. Bridge-builders are rewarded and will presumably bring that collaborative style to governing. The old electoral system “creates perverse incentives” and “rewards bad behavior, meaning extremism, and punishes good behavior,” says Scott Kendall, an Anchorage lawyer who has worked for Republican politicians in Alaska and who drafted the ballot measure that created the new system. With ranked-choice voting, says Rob Richie, president and co-founder of FairVote, “you would be electorally rewarded for doing what actually is good for the country, and that’s too often not the case right now.”
Ranked-choice voting also changes the incentives for voters. They can stop voting strategically for the lesser of evils and pick whom they really want to win, without fearing they’ll elevate a spoiler. “When you don’t force people into a binary choice, you get more engagement, more excitement, and maybe you get better results,” Kendall says. Ranked-choice voting, he argues, restores “the three-dimensionality of politics.”
Candidates with more-diverse views can have an impact and their supporters would become invested in the process, says Anna Kellar, executive director of the League of Women Voters of Maine and Maine Citizens for Clean Elections: “Whether or not those candidates are able to actually win, it enriches the process to have them there and to have people who might feel best represented by those viewpoints get to put that as their first choice.”
Following a few initial Democratic wins via ranked-choice voting in Maine and Alaska, some Republicans have claimed the method conceals a partisan bias. “Ranked-choice voting is a scam to rig elections,” Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas tweeted when Peltola beat Palin in August. Palin is up against Peltola and other candidates again this Election Day. With so many Republicans competing under ranked-choice rules in Alaska and elsewhere, proponents predict more Republicans will come to appreciate the merits of the system. “Our strategic theory here,” Kellar says, “is that the more people use ranked choice in different contexts, they’ll see a variety of winners and losers.”
Radically rethink primaries
Primary elections are a significant cause of the paralyzing political polarization we’re suffering now, election reform experts told me. They are low-turnout affairs that draw the most devoted partisans to the polls. Especially in the most common type of primary — where it takes only a plurality, not a majority, to win the nomination — the victor is the one who successfully appeals to a passionate, but often extreme, minority of voters.
“To choose candidates by primaries is nuts, really, and it’s not how most democracies work,” Yuval Levin, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, told me. The primary got its start in America in the early 1900s as a Progressive Era reform and became entrenched in the 1970s. The original point was to give voters a say in who represented their party rather than leaving it to party bosses. “What it actually did was empower the fringes of both parties,” Levin says. Of course, he notes, “we can’t really go back” and eliminate primaries, because parties won’t want to alienate voters by kicking them out of the process. But primaries can be improved.
A handful of states have already instituted reforms such as collective primaries open to all affiliations, and runoffs to ensure the nominee gets a majority. One of the most dramatic revisions is being pioneered in Alaska, where the top four vote-getters advance from a single open primary, using the traditional vote-tally method. The four then compete in a general election with ranked-choice voting. (The ballot measure being considered in Nevada would implement a similar system.)
Another option — for legislative races but also for presidential ones — would be to keep traditional primaries but run them with ranked-choice voting. The Virginia GOP has employed a version of this method, using ranked-choice voting to pick Glenn Youngkin to run for governor in 2021 and three House nominees this year. “Instead of creating elevated levels of negative competitiveness between campaigns and fostering distrust among candidates,” state party chairman Rich Anderson said in a July statement, “these candidates are moved to speak with a significant number of voters in their jurisdiction in order to foster strong relationships with a broad cross section of voters.”
The underlying goal is to help make the American system work as it was designed. “Our institutions are built to encourage … to deal with each other across party lines,” Levin says. “We’re not letting them do that right now; the primaries are a big reason why.”
Expand the House of Representatives
There’s no sacred constitutional command behind the number 435. The initial House, in 1789-1790, had 65 members. It reached 435 in 1913 after periodic enlargements to keep up with the population. For political and logistical reasons, Congress capped the size at 435 in 1929. At that point, each member of the House represented an average of about 280,000 constituents.
By 2020, each member of the House represented an average of about 762,000 people. That’s by far the highest ratio of constituents-to-representative out of 34 democracies included in research published by the American Academy. Nearly all the others have fewer than 200,000 constituents.
A larger House would be more diverse and more in keeping with its prescribed role in American democracy because voters would feel closer to their representative. Expansion could also begin to reduce polarization. “The particular way that I think it could help with polarization is by increasing the internal diversity of both parties,” says Levin, who co-wrote a report calling for 150 new members as part of the American Academy’s democracy review. (At that size, each member would have an average of about 566,000 constituents. The report also calls for adding seats as the population grows.) “One way to think about why we are polarized now is that Republicans are too much like one another and Democrats are too much like one another. … Expanding the size of the House gives you much more of an opportunity to have some unusual kinds of Republicans and Democrats, and more of a chance for internal party factions.”
An expansion would not necessarily change the balance of power in the House. The academy’s researchers modeled thousands of election scenarios assuming Houses of different sizes and didn’t find significant spoils for either party. Adding more than 90 seats could slightly favor Democrats, while adding fewer than 90 could slightly favor Republicans. “Absent a crystal ball,” Levin and his colleagues wrote in their report, “the strong conclusion … is that changing the size of the House would not generate a strong partisan shift.” In other words, this is a change that both Republicans and Democrats should be able to support.
Create multi-member House districts
Americans are accustomed to living in districts represented by one member of Congress. Most state legislative districts send one legislator to their capitols as well. But it hasn’t always been this way. For much of history, multi-member districts were relatively common at both the state and federal levels.
Congress mandated single-member districts in 1967 for the purest of motives. In that era of civil rights reforms, it had become clear that states could use multi-member districts to enforce white supremacy: By creating a few majority-White districts and allowing voters to vote for as many candidates as there were seats in the district, states could effectively shut out minority voices.
But a multi-member district in which, say, three or five representatives were instead chosen through a proportional system could avoid this problem. The reform wouldn’t necessarily favor either party, according to FairVote, with potentially 200 likely Republican seats, 201 likely Democratic seats and 34 swing seats. Few, if any, congressional districts would be represented entirely by one party, according to FairVote’s modeling, because enough supporters of the minority party live in most places to be able to elect at least one member within a multi-member district. Consider that “n 2020, there were more Trump voters in California than any other state and more Biden voters in Texas than in New York or Illinois,” the scholars wrote in their recent open letter to Congress. “The vast — even overwhelming — majority of Americans don’t fit precisely into the ideology of their single-member congressional representation.”
Multi-member districts with proportional voting could yield a Republican elected from currently all-blue Massachusetts and a Democrat from deep-red Oklahoma. “What that really does is make sure that every district is getting more than one partisan view represented in its delegation,” says Danielle Allen, a professor of political philosophy at Harvard University who co-chaired the American Academy’s Commission on the Practice of Democratic Citizenship. “When the two caucuses go to their separate rooms, Democrats and Republicans, the whole country geographically would still be there.”
This reform also would finally drive a stake through the heart of gerrymandering, because the multi-member districts would be too large to have their borders be manipulated effectively. And especially with an enlarged House of Representatives, there could be room for multiple kinds of Democrats or Republicans from the same district — not to mention candidates with other affiliations. Some reform advocates — like New America’s Drutman, who wrote a book titled “Breaking the Two-Party Doom Loop: The Case for Multiparty Democracy in America” — say the changes would allow for the rise of additional political parties, in part because they wouldn’t be viewed as spoilers in a perpetual Democratic-Republican showdown. Others foresee the two parties themselves becoming larger, less extreme tents. Either way, our democracy could recover some of its tolerance and complexity.
“It breaks the binary psychology that every election is this fearsome, zero-sum, all-or-nothing fight for the soul of the country, in which 50.1 percent could somehow create total power,” Drutman told me. “It basically captures this idea, which I think Madison intuitively grasped in Federalist No. 10, that the way to have legitimate political self-governance is to ensure that coalitions are never fixed. … It means that people are able to make deals with each other in different arrangements.”
Even if implemented, these fixes wouldn’t completely cure our democracy. For one thing, they don’t directly confront the current tribalist rage that characterizes our politics. Rather, they come at that issue from the angle of structural reform. “The cultural challenge is greater than the structural one,” says Norman Ornstein, senior fellow emeritus at the American Enterprise Institute. “But you can’t get anywhere with the cultural challenge without structural change.”
These aren’t the only possible solutions out there. The academy’s report, “Our Common Purpose: Reinventing American Democracy for the 21st Century,” alone pitches 31 proposals — including 18-year term limits for Supreme Court justices, amending the Constitution to permit regulating campaign contributions, changing Election Day to Veterans Day so it is a holiday for most voters, and making voting compulsory (while allowing for “none of the above”) with small fines for violators. In some states, of course, the most urgent work now is simply making sure people aren’t disenfranchised by new voting laws. But the champions of democracy engineering say their structural innovations are urgent in their own way. “I strongly believe we have to be doing the structural work at the same time as we do the bread-and-butter voting rights work,” says Kellar in Maine.
These innovations will no doubt face the eternal obstacle of politicians of both parties who may prefer the existing system, if for no other reason than because it has worked for them. Last year, Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) introduced the Fair Representation Act, which would establish ranked-choice voting for U.S. senators and multi-member House districts. He was moved to act because “there’s no fight for the center,” he told me. “There’s a fight for ‘Can you get your base out,’ ‘Can you be as un-nuanced and even conflict-generating as possible.’ ” He got seven Democratic co-sponsors and no Republicans.
Reformers know it will likely take some years before their changes have a chance of becoming law. We’re in an early stage of these ideas, Levin says — the phase “where you just hear serious people talk about this and start to say, ‘Maybe we can do this.’ ”
Allen is heartened by the experiments with ranked-choice voting, alternative primaries and other reforms already taking place in states and municipalities. “This is going to be a story of state-level transformation that fundamentally changes the dynamics of politics in the country and that results in federal change,” she says. “I see us in the popcorn popper, and the popcorns are starting to pop.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/10/31/ranked-choice-voting-multi-member-house-districts/?
Trump lawyers saw Clarence Thomas as key to stop Biden electoral count, emails show
Thomas is the justice who oversees emergency petitions from the circuit court that includes Georgia.
By Jacqueline Alemany, Spencer S. Hsu and Matthew Brown
Updated November 2, 2022 at 2:59 p.m. EDT|Published November 2, 2022 at 12:07 p.m. EDT
Lawyers for President Donald Trump saw Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as key to overturning the results of the 2020 election, according to a set of emails provided to congressional investigators.
Eight emails, ordered released by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter of California, include correspondence between Trump lawyers Kenneth Chesebro, John Eastman and others discussing various legal strategies to convince Republican members of Congress to object to the official certification of electoral votes in a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.
In an email from Chesebro to Eastman and several others sent on Dec. 31, 2020, Chesebro argued that Thomas would “end up being key” to asking the high court to overturn then-President-elect Joe Biden’s win in contested states, and that they should “frame things so that Thomas could be the one to issue some sort of stay or other circuit justice opinion saying Georgia is in legitimate doubt.”
“Realistically, our only chance to get a favorable judicial opinion by Jan. 6, which might hold up the Georgia count in Congress, is from Thomas — do you agree, Prof. Eastman?”
Thomas, who did not respond to a request for comment, is the justice who oversees emergency petitions from the circuit court that includes Georgia. Eastman did not immediately respond to request for comment.
In an email sent hours later, Chesebro reiterated that he viewed “the best shot at holding up the count of a state in Congress” would be to get a case “pending before the Supreme Court by Jan. 5, ideally with something positive written by a judge or justice, hopefully Thomas.”
Days earlier, Chesebro, on Christmas Eve morning, sent an email to Eastman, Justin Clark, Bruce Marks and others and put the odds of the court taking up the question and issuing a decision at no more than 5 percent — and of it doing so in Trump’s favor by Jan. 6 at “only 1 percent.”
But Chesebro said the “relevant analysis … is political” and “feeding the impression that the courts lack the courage to fairly and timely consider these complaints, and justifying a political argument on Jan. 6.”
Politico first reported on the contents of the new emails.
It’s unclear what litigation the lawyers are referencing in their correspondence. Lawyers for Trump were involved in four ongoing election cases in Georgia during the same period as the emails.
These challenges were a federal case that was ultimately denied at a hearing on Jan. 5, 2021; a case that had been appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court; another being litigated in the superior court of Georgia’s largest county; and a pending case by the campaign that had not yet received a court date. Those cases came after the Georgia Supreme Court dismissed a case brought by the chair of the Georgia Republican Party on behalf of Trump in mid-December 2020. All the remaining cases were withdrawn from court Jan. 7, 2021, after the attack on the Capitol and Biden’s win being affirmed in Congress.
Eastman has argued that the disputed emails were protected by attorney-client privilege — a bedrock principle of U.S. legal practice that says a lawyer must keep confidential what they are told by their clients, and work product related to their representation. Carter cited a “crime-fraud exception” — including instances in which communications were part of a crime — ruling that “the emails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.”
Eastman clerked for Thomas and has remained in touch with his wife, Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, according to email correspondence obtained by the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. At least one of the emails showed Ginni Thomas inviting Eastman to speak on Dec. 8, 2020, to a group of conservative activists to provide an update about election litigation.
Ginni Thomas lobbied state legislators in Arizona and Wisconsin via email, urging them to help overturn Biden’s victory, The Washington Post has previously reported. Neither Ginni nor Clarence Thomas appear to be included on any of the newly released email correspondence, and there is no indication in the emails that any of the lawyers directly appealed to Clarence Thomas regarding election litigation.
In another Dec. 31, 2020, email, Eastman expresses concerns about legal issues Trump might face in signing a new verification for a lawsuit that had already been filed regarding voter fraud, given that he has “since been made aware that some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts) has been inaccurate.”
“And I have no doubt that an aggressive DA or US someplace will go after both the President and his lawyers once all the dust settles on this,” Eastman wrote to Alex Kaufman and Kurt Hilbert, two Georgia-based lawyers who were working on Trump’s legal challenges to the election.
It’s unclear what suit Eastman was referencing, but Carter late last month released an 18-page opinion responding to Eastman’s resistance to a subpoena and wrote that he found that several documents sent between Trump’s allies and lawyers showed that the group participated in a “knowing misrepresentation of voter-fraud numbers in Georgia when seeking to overturn the election results in federal court.”
In separate email chains, Hilbert, Kaufman, Eastman, Republican lawyer Cleta Mitchell and others discuss concerns from White House lawyer Eric Herschman about “specific numbers … dealing with felons, deceased, moved” in the complaint they are seeking Trump to sign off on.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/02/trump-clarence-thomas-emails/?
This is a moderately interesting saga I was reading last night.
Miriam Amanda Wallace “Ma” Ferguson (June 13, 1875 – June 25, 1961) was an American politician who served two non-consecutive terms as the governor of Texas: from 1925 to 1927, and from 1933 to 1935. She was the first female governor of Texas, and one of the first two women to be governor of any U.S. state, along with Nellie Tayloe Ross.
…Her husband served as Governor of Texas from 1915 to 1917. During his second term, he was investigated by State Attorney General Dan Moody (who would, incidentally, succeed her as Governor in 1927 after her first term) for actions that had been taken against the University of Texas. The Texas State Senate impeached him, convicted him on ten charges, and prohibited him from holding state office in Texas again.
…After her husband’s impeachment and conviction, Ma Ferguson ran in the primary for the Democratic nomination for governor and was successful, openly supported by her husband, whom she said she would consult for advice. She was elected to office in the 1924 general election.
During her campaign, she made it clear she was a puppet candidate for her husband, saying voters would get “two governors for the price of one”. Her speeches at rallies consisted of introducing him and letting him take the platform. A common campaign slogan was, “Me for Ma, and I Ain’t Got a Durned Thing Against Pa.” Patricia Bernstein of the Houston Chronicle stated “There was never a question in anyone’s mind as to who was really running things when Ma was governor.”
In 1924, Ma Ferguson became the first elected female chief executive of Texas. She was the second female state governor in the United States, and the first to be elected in a general election. Nellie Tayloe Ross had been sworn in as governor of Wyoming to finish the unexpired term of her late husband two weeks before Ferguson’s inauguration, though Ross and Ferguson won their respective elections on the same day. Ferguson’s campaign manager was Homer T. Brannon of Fort Worth, Texas.
In 1926, state attorney general Dan Moody, who had investigated her husband for embezzlement and recovered $1 million for Texas citizens, ran against her in a run-off election. He defeated her to become the next and then-youngest governor of Texas. Suffragist activism provided a major contribution to her defeat, as these women rallied behind Moody and campaigned for him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson
The midterms are now just 4 days away and FiveThirtyEight are currently predicting the GOP has a 55% chance of taking the senate and and 85% chance of winning control of the House.
Joe Biden’s approval rating is currently sitting at 42%
diddly-squat said:
The midterms are now just 4 days away and FiveThirtyEight are currently predicting the GOP has a 55% chance of taking the senate and and 85% chance of winning control of the House.
Joe Biden’s approval rating is currently sitting at 42%
…and as the United State sinks slowly in the west…
That’ll be the end of them. It’ll just be further fragmentation and disintegration after that, as they become the very thing that their grandparents fought a war against.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:The midterms are now just 4 days away and FiveThirtyEight are currently predicting the GOP has a 55% chance of taking the senate and and 85% chance of winning control of the House.
Joe Biden’s approval rating is currently sitting at 42%
…and as the United State sinks slowly in the west…
That’ll be the end of them. It’ll just be further fragmentation and disintegration after that, as they become the very thing that their grandparents fought a war against.
I don’t know… personally I think it will just be more of the same
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:The midterms are now just 4 days away and FiveThirtyEight are currently predicting the GOP has a 55% chance of taking the senate and and 85% chance of winning control of the House.
Joe Biden’s approval rating is currently sitting at 42%
…and as the United State sinks slowly in the west…
That’ll be the end of them. It’ll just be further fragmentation and disintegration after that, as they become the very thing that their grandparents fought a war against.
I don’t know… personally I think it will just be more of the same
It won’t be the same. The Republicans will take the final steps to ensure that they never again lose control of the House or the Senate, and the right-wing ratbags all across the country will act out their fantasies with the assurance that their actions are at least tacitly condoned by state and federal governments.
Strategies of division and conflict, distracting the population by setting it to fight amongst itself, will be avidly pursued, and the United States will probably cease to be a functioning nation within 10-15 years.
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:…and as the United State sinks slowly in the west…
That’ll be the end of them. It’ll just be further fragmentation and disintegration after that, as they become the very thing that their grandparents fought a war against.
I don’t know… personally I think it will just be more of the same
It won’t be the same. The Republicans will take the final steps to ensure that they never again lose control of the House or the Senate, and the right-wing ratbags all across the country will act out their fantasies with the assurance that their actions are at least tacitly condoned by state and federal governments.
Strategies of division and conflict, distracting the population by setting it to fight amongst itself, will be avidly pursued, and the United States will probably cease to be a functioning nation within 10-15 years.
Escape From United States starring Snake Plissken
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:…and as the United State sinks slowly in the west…
That’ll be the end of them. It’ll just be further fragmentation and disintegration after that, as they become the very thing that their grandparents fought a war against.
I don’t know… personally I think it will just be more of the same
It won’t be the same. The Republicans will take the final steps to ensure that they never again lose control of the House or the Senate, and the right-wing ratbags all across the country will act out their fantasies with the assurance that their actions are at least tacitly condoned by state and federal governments.
Strategies of division and conflict, distracting the population by setting it to fight amongst itself, will be avidly pursued, and the United States will probably cease to be a functioning nation within 10-15 years.
except that most voting rights legislation and all electoral boundaries are controlled by the state legislatures, not the feds…
in any case, the government will continue to function, any suggestion otherwise is a bit over the top, IMO.
I think it’s also fair to say that if the GOP win control of both houses, it’s because they were simply able to mobilise more votes (and yes I understand that there are biases in the electorate).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t know… personally I think it will just be more of the same
It won’t be the same. The Republicans will take the final steps to ensure that they never again lose control of the House or the Senate, and the right-wing ratbags all across the country will act out their fantasies with the assurance that their actions are at least tacitly condoned by state and federal governments.
Strategies of division and conflict, distracting the population by setting it to fight amongst itself, will be avidly pursued, and the United States will probably cease to be a functioning nation within 10-15 years.
except that most voting rights legislation and all electoral boundaries are controlled by the state legislatures, not the feds…
in any case, the government will continue to function, any suggestion otherwise is a bit over the top, IMO.
I think it’s also fair to say that if the GOP win control of both houses, it’s because they were simply able to mobilise more votes (and yes I understand that there are biases in the electorate).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m sad to report that on this occasion I agree with d-s.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:It won’t be the same. The Republicans will take the final steps to ensure that they never again lose control of the House or the Senate, and the right-wing ratbags all across the country will act out their fantasies with the assurance that their actions are at least tacitly condoned by state and federal governments.
Strategies of division and conflict, distracting the population by setting it to fight amongst itself, will be avidly pursued, and the United States will probably cease to be a functioning nation within 10-15 years.
except that most voting rights legislation and all electoral boundaries are controlled by the state legislatures, not the feds…
in any case, the government will continue to function, any suggestion otherwise is a bit over the top, IMO.
I think it’s also fair to say that if the GOP win control of both houses, it’s because they were simply able to mobilise more votes (and yes I understand that there are biases in the electorate).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m sad to report that on this occasion I agree with d-s.
sad that you agree with me, or sad at what you agree with me about?
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:except that most voting rights legislation and all electoral boundaries are controlled by the state legislatures, not the feds…
in any case, the government will continue to function, any suggestion otherwise is a bit over the top, IMO.
I think it’s also fair to say that if the GOP win control of both houses, it’s because they were simply able to mobilise more votes (and yes I understand that there are biases in the electorate).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m sad to report that on this occasion I agree with d-s.
sad that you agree with me, or sad at what you agree with me about?
Sad that I agree with you.
But you know I was kidding, right?
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m sad to report that on this occasion I agree with d-s.
sad that you agree with me, or sad at what you agree with me about?
Sad that I agree with you.
But you know I was kidding, right?
yes, of course..
The deputy director of the Milwaukee Election Commission was fired after fraudulently requesting absentee ballots. Kimberly Zapata requested military ballots using a state website. The Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office is investigating the incident and charges are likely to be filed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knd_VB-Ckg8
—-
We did it to prove how easy it was? but got caught?
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
I hope he is right.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
but even the polls in 2016 were more in favour of a Trump win than they are of a Dem win now… The Senate is still a coin flip, but I it would take a biblical shift in fortunes to turn around the chances in the House.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
*crosses fingers
diddly-squat said:
except that most voting rights legislation and all electoral boundaries are controlled by the state legislatures, not the feds…
Right but decisions on the limits of their decisions are adjudicated by the Supreme Court. There have been numerous cases on the gerrymander and voting rights legislation that have dealt with by the SC.
Also, note that state legislatures are also on the line in these midterms.
in any case, the government will continue to function, any suggestion otherwise is a bit over the top, IMO.
Well yeah I’m sure there will still be a government. China has a functioning government, Iran has a functioning government, and the US will still have a function government no matter how things decline for political freedoms or civil rights.
I think it’s also fair to say that if the GOP win control of both houses, it’s because they were simply able to mobilise more votes (and yes I understand that there are biases in the electorate).
The last part seems to contradict the first part? Because of the gerrymander they dont need to mobilise more votes in order to win.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
except that most voting rights legislation and all electoral boundaries are controlled by the state legislatures, not the feds…
Right but decisions on the limits of their decisions are adjudicated by the Supreme Court. There have been numerous cases on the gerrymander and voting rights legislation that have dealt with by the SC.
thankfully these supreme pizza fellas are totally independent and reasonable kind souls
dv said:
there will still be a government. China has a functioning government, Iran has a functioning government, and the US will still have a function government no matter how things decline
shrug constituent republics of the Союз Радянських Соціалістичних Республік still had functioning governments even before the start of reunification in 2014 shrug
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
but even the polls in 2016 were more in favour of a Trump win than they are of a Dem win now… The Senate is still a coin flip, but I it would take a biblical shift in fortunes to turn around the chances in the House.
Yes, it would take a large systematic polling miss.
Still, one in six is one in six… like rolling a pair in dice. It would be a surprising but not amazing result.
sarahs mum said:
The deputy director of the Milwaukee Election Commission was fired after fraudulently requesting absentee ballots. Kimberly Zapata requested military ballots using a state website. The Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office is investigating the incident and charges are likely to be filed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knd_VB-Ckg8
—-We did it to prove how easy it was? but got caught?
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
there will still be a government. China has a functioning government, Iran has a functioning government, and the US will still have a function government no matter how things decline
shrug constituent republics of the Союз Радянських Соціалістичних Республік still had functioning governments even before the start of reunification in 2014 shrug
Probably just get a rebadging The Nationalist States Of America or Fascist Freedom Fuckups
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
there will still be a government. China has a functioning government, Iran has a functioning government, and the US will still have a function government no matter how things decline
shrug constituent republics of the Союз Радянських Соціалістичних Республік still had functioning governments even before the start of reunification in 2014 shrug
Probably just get a rebadging The Nationalist States Of America or Fascist Freedom Fuckups [Union]
the FFFU, we like that call
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
shrug constituent republics of the Союз Радянських Соціалістичних Республік still had functioning governments even before the start of reunification in 2014 shrug
Probably just get a rebadging The Nationalist States Of America or Fascist Freedom Fuckups [Union]
the FFFU, we like that call
Done deal then
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxObhF0-NR4
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
This.
buffy said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: “ I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we’re not going to lose. There’s more of us than there are of them.”
IDK man.
Then again he predicted Trump’s win in 2016 so hopefully his Nostradamus powers are with him again.
This.
In the past 5 weeks, the generic ballot average has gone from a Democrat lead of 1.9% to a Republican lead of 1.3%. The “undecideds” have dwindled and most of them have headed to R.
dv said:
In the past 5 weeks, the generic ballot average has gone from a Democrat lead of 1.9% to a Republican lead of 1.3%. The “undecideds” have dwindled and most of them have headed to R.
So what’s going on?
Biden getting the blame for inflation?
dv said:
In the past 5 weeks, the generic ballot average has gone from a Democrat lead of 1.9% to a Republican lead of 1.3%. The “undecideds” have dwindled and most of them have headed to R.
I don’t understand.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
In the past 5 weeks, the generic ballot average has gone from a Democrat lead of 1.9% to a Republican lead of 1.3%. The “undecideds” have dwindled and most of them have headed to R.I don’t understand.
Americans + madness.
If there is any significant number of ‘silent Democrats’ causing the polling to be awry I expect the calls for violence against another Democrat clean-sweep by MAGA supporters will be overwhelming. Bannon might just get the constitutional crisis he wants two years early.
fk cn
The tragedy of John Roberts
By Ruth Marcus
Deputy editorial page editor
November 4, 2022 at 8:00 a.m. EDT
On the final day of oral arguments last term, the chief justice’s voice cracked with emotion as he bade farewell to the retiring Justice Stephen G. Breyer. It was a striking moment for the normally buttoned-up John G. Roberts Jr., and one that seemed to signify more than sorrow at the departure of a longtime colleague. It is not far-fetched to imagine that Roberts was mourning the decisive end of his vision of presiding over an institution seen as operating above the partisan fray.
“I’ve lost my only friend on the court,” Roberts told someone afterward.
As Roberts, 67, begins his 18th term, he is an at times isolated and even tragic figure. Roberts wanted to be at the helm of a court that was more often unanimous than splintered; now it is cleaved, 6-3, along hardened ideological lines. Roberts wanted to help shore up the court’s institutional standing; instead, he has watched it plunge in public esteem, helpless to prevent the fall.
He has been outflanked and marginalized by five conservative justices to his right, even as he has been subjected to unsparing criticism by those to his left.
In the last term alone, Roberts witnessed the unprecedented — and, from all appearances, still unsolved — leak of a draft opinion, in the Dobbs abortion case. In the aftermath of that jarring event, his most conservative colleague, Clarence Thomas, openly lamented the days when “we were a family” — and pointedly dated those to the “fabulous court” before Roberts’s tenure.
When the final Dobbs ruling was released, Roberts was a lone voice, his suggested compromise unable to attract a single additional vote.
And with trust in the court at a record low — down 20 points in two years to just 47 percent of Americans saying they had a “great deal” or “fair amount” of faith in the institution — Roberts felt compelled to speak out in its defense, engaging in an extraordinary public back-and-forth with Justice Elena Kagan about the court’s legitimacy.
In short, with the death of liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the arrival of Justice Amy Coney Barrett to shore up the conservative wing, this is the Roberts court in name only. The chief now finds himself in the unexpected position of being — or at least voting — to the left of the new swing justice, Brett M. Kavanaugh.
Roberts remains at the top of the pack of justices voting with the majority — 95 percent of the time in divided cases last term, tied only by Kavanaugh. But that statistic obscures the reality that time after time, Roberts’s colleagues have ignored his pleas for patience.
Roberts has found himself dissenting when his fellow conservatives refused to block Texas’s abortion law as the case was litigated; when they allowed an Alabama redistricting plan to take effect despite the fact that, as Roberts said, the trial court that found it violated the Voting Rights Act “properly applied existing law in an extensive opinion with no apparent errors for our correction”; and when they enjoined New York’s pandemic rules even though restrictions on religious services had been revised. Dobbs wasn’t an outlier.
“I don’t think I would want to be Roberts right now,” said University of Southern California law professor Lee Epstein, who specializes in studying the justices’ voting patterns. “He has some very aggressive, ambitious colleagues on his right who want to do a lot very quickly, and that’s just so not Roberts. … He tries to slow things down, but they’re not going to be slowed.”
Tellingly, conservatives and liberals use the same stark adjective — relevant — when they describe Roberts’s current predicament.
“He’s just less relevant now,” said Mike Davis, who heads the conservative Article III Project and worked to confirm President Donald Trump’s judicial nominees. With three appointments to the court, he said, “Trump transformed the 5-to-4 John Roberts court into the 5-to-4 Clarence Thomas court, meaning it’s more likely the court’s just going to follow the law and not be concerned about the political fallout.”
Harvard Law School professor emeritus Laurence H. Tribe, co-author of a book on the Roberts court, made the same point from the opposite ideological perspective. “He’s largely irrelevant, except that the court has gone so far, so fast that he may become more relevant depending on whether anybody else is chastened,” Tribe said.
The question now is how Roberts will respond to this new reality. He is a chief caught between conflicting imperatives. If he insists on hewing to the go-slow, decide-no-more-than-necessary approach that has been the hallmark of his tenure, he risks appearing weak — and losing what little ability he retains to influence and constrain the conservative majority. If he votes with that majority, as might be his underlying inclination in most cases, he risks contributing to what he has been laboring to prevent: the decline of the institution.
Achief justice is little more than the first among equals; his vote counts no more than that of the other eight justices. His main authority derives from the power, when he is in the majority, to assign the authorship of opinions, either writing himself or giving the job to a colleague.
But Roberts, with a careful eye on history, had a far grander, even audacious, mission in mind, one he laid out in an interview with the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Rosen in 2006 at the conclusion of his first term. “It’s sobering to think of the seventeen chief justices; certainly a solid majority of them have to be characterized as failures,” Roberts told Rosen. “The successful ones are hard to number.”
To reread the interview now, with foreknowledge of the changes to come, is poignant. Roberts talked about the danger of polarized politics, and the “high priority to keep any kind of partisan divide out of the judiciary as well.” He wanted his colleagues to “factor in the Court’s institutional role” and elevate consensus-building over ideological purity.
Like his greatest predecessor, Chief Justice John Marshall, who served from 1801 to 1835, Roberts wanted to see the court speak as often as possible with a single voice, not a cacophony of concurring and dissenting opinions. That would produce more jurisprudential stability and, consequently, more public respect for the court.
Painting of Chief Justice John Marshall, after 1831, by James Reid Lambdin. (National Portrait Gallery)
It all sounds quaint now. Last term’s numbers tell the story. According to Epstein’s calculations, just 28 percent of the court’s opinions were unanimous in the last term — far below the 41 percent average since Roberts joined the court. The most common voting pattern wasn’t 9-0, as is the general rule, but 6-3. And the vast majority of those (14 of 19), according to statistics compiled by Scotusblog, reflected the six-justice conservative bloc.
“Chief Justice Roberts tried to avoid the polarization of the court from the beginning,” Rosen told me. “The whole point of his vision was to avoid the court blowing itself up and squandering its legitimacy.”
And that is the tragedy of John Roberts. The man whose career betrays virtually no hint of failure appears to be failing at the most monumental task he has confronted, one he set for himself.
Roberts is an accidental chief justice, but his arrival at the court was anything but accident. In a city of glittering résumés, Roberts had compiled one that was burnished to perfection by the time he was nominated to the high court by President George W. Bush in 2005.
Raised in Indiana, the son of a Bethlehem Steel executive, Roberts graduated summa cum laude from Harvard College after just three years, then headed straight to Harvard Law School, where he was managing editor of the law review.
That was capped by the most prestigious of clerkships, for appeals court judge Henry Friendly and then-Justice William H. Rehnquist, and a subsequent trip up the ladder of the plummiest jobs for a conservative young lawyer in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations: special assistant to the attorney general, associate White House counsel, principal deputy solicitor general.
As much as Roberts served as loyal foot soldier in President Ronald Reagan’s legal revolution — memos from the time show him forcefully urging conservative positions — he combined that stance with a Midwestern geniality, a gift for forging across-the-aisle relationships and canny circumspection about exposing his views to public scrutiny.
“An ultimate insider in the capital,” the New York Times wrote after his nomination in July 2005. “Judge Roberts is a conservative, but he has never been an ideological crusader,” said The Post’s Editorial Board, adding that “nobody really knows what Judge Roberts believes, because he has been unusually careful about not discussing his views.”
If Roberts’s paper trail was thin — he had been on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit for little more than two years — Democrats had only themselves to blame. Roberts had originally been tapped for the D.C. Circuit by George H.W. Bush in 1992, but the Senate never voted on his nomination; after George W. Bush renominated him in 2001, the Democratic-controlled Senate again delayed acting, and Roberts was not confirmed until Republicans regained control in 2003.
Two years later, the younger Bush nominated Roberts — at age 50 — to replace Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, who retired to help care for her ailing husband. But on Sept. 3, 2005, just three days before Roberts’s confirmation hearings were to begin, chief justice Rehnquist died of cancer. Bush, dealing with the disastrous aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, quickly decided to slot Roberts into Rehnquist’s seat, notwithstanding his relative youth (the youngest chief justice since John Marshall) and scant judicial experience.
That fortuitous timing is important to understanding Roberts’s performance. He has been known to muse about what kind of justice he would have been had he not been invested with the additional responsibility of safeguarding the institution. That is not to say that Roberts’s votes as chief justice have trended liberal — anything but. Roberts is no hardcore originalist — he has said that “I do not have an overarching judicial philosophy” — but he is unmistakably conservative.
“He may think the court is moving too fast, but he thinks it’s moving in the right direction,” said University of Chicago law professor Aziz Huq, who serves on the board of the liberal American Constitution Society.
On race, which for decades has been an animating issue for Roberts, he has written opinions decimating the Voting Rights Act and preventing public schools from using race to achieve diverse classrooms. On gay rights, he dissented bitterly when the court found that the Constitution protects a right to same-sex marriage, warning that “stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept.”
On campaign finance, he has demonstrated unrelenting hostility toward efforts to reduce the influence of money in politics. On government regulation, he has voted to curtail the power of administrative agencies, most recently using a case limiting the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to combat climate change to declare a new “major questions” doctrine that will invite further challenges across the regulatory landscape.
And yet, Roberts — even before conservatives took firm control — sometimes put his foot on the brake. Before he dismantled Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, he gave Congress one last chance to fix it, noting that “the importance of the question does not justify our rushing to decide it.” Most famously, in 2012 he switched his initial vote to strike down the Affordable Care Act and, engaging in some interpretive contortions, saved the statute but infuriated his conservative colleagues. Three years later, he did it again — this time adding insult to conservative injury because his vote wasn’t even needed to save the statute.
Roberts’s tenure can be divided into three distinct Roberts courts. The first, which lasted from 2005 until Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s retirement in 2018, is best described as a jump-ball court: Often Kennedy would lean in a conservative direction, but sometimes — in particular, on gay rights — he would side with liberals. And sometimes, as in the Obamacare case, Roberts himself would surprise and determine the majority.
The second chapter was fleeting — from Kennedy’s departure until Barrett’s arrival in October 2020, the span of just two terms. With five conservatives and four liberals, Roberts was finally in control, his vote determinative. He was both the chief justice and the median justice, imbued with remarkable influence. “Roberts is not only the most powerful player on the court. He’s also the most powerful chief justice since at least 1937,” Epstein told the New York Times’s Adam Liptak in June 2020, as the court was wrapping up its work.
In that term’s divided cases, Roberts voted with the majority 95 percent of the time — more than any chief justice since at least 1953 and more than any of his colleagues. (Kavanaugh was next with 90 percent, and Neil M. Gorsuch followed with 82 percent, with the rest of the court hovering between the mid-50s and mid-60s.)
Among that court’s 5-4 rulings, Roberts was in the majority in every case but one. He cast an uncharacteristic vote in favor of abortion rights, a decision he said was compelled by a precedent from which he had dissented, and another blocking Trump’s bid to repeal immigration protections for “dreamers.”
Three months later, Ginsburg died.
Once, conservatives had found themselves reduced to griping about what Justice Antonin Scalia, in a 2007 campaign finance case, called Roberts’s “faux judicial restraint.” With the arrival of Barrett in late 2020, Roberts’s go-slow admonitions proved, for the most part, unpersuasive.
Now, the more conservative justices show little inclination to heed him — a phenomenon on painful display in last term’s abortion case. Roberts could summon no justices to support his middle-ground position, to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week abortion ban but stop short of overruling Roe v. Wade. Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.‘s majority opinion dismissed Roberts in almost sneering tones. “The concurrence’s most fundamental defect is its failure to offer any principled basis for its approach,” Alito wrote.
It was a dramatic turnabout from Roberts’s ascendant position just a year before. “This,” said one conservative lawyer, “was John’s worst nightmare.”
Majorities can turn out to be fleeting, although the current supermajority appears rather durable. It’s possible that Kavanaugh will be taken aback by the public reaction to the court’s lurch to the right and show more willingness than he has so far in helping Roberts slow things down.
But, although Kavanaugh and Roberts tend to vote together more than any other pairing of justices, in most of the critical cases where Roberts has sided with the liberals, Kavanaugh has declined to go along. Less likely, but not impossible, Barrett could still surprise; she’s new, and her record on some issues — race, to take one current example — is still unwritten.
That leaves Roberts, as he nears the end of his second decade on the court, a chief without a constituency.
Many of his fellow conservatives, including some of his own colleagues, view him with suspicion, if not outright disdain. Roberts, as they see it, has subordinated his simple duty to apply the law in the service of somehow protecting the institution — and, perhaps not coincidentally, his own reputation.
Liberals understand that his seeming moderation is only by contrast to his hot-under-the-collar colleagues, and that his ultimate goals are deeply at odds with their own constitutional vision. Roberts might be an occasional accomplice, but he is not their ally.
He faces every temptation to join the conservative majority. That imbues him with the power to assign the writing of key opinions to himself, or, alternatively, to keep the authorship away from the most extreme conservatives. The bottom line might be the same. But the precise language the court uses in deciding a case matters for those yet to come; it matters whether an opinion’s author is Thomas or Kavanaugh.
As it happens, the court’s highest-profile cases this term — on affirmative action, voting and the right of a Christian business owner to refuse to serve same-sex weddings — will all push Roberts in the direction of his fellow conservatives. “The fact is that the kind of issues that he cares most about are some of the most important cases on the docket this term,” said Donald B. Verrilli Jr., who was solicitor general under President Barack Obama. “I feel like he can and will reassert his leadership by playing a dominant role in those cases, and it will seem like, ‘Oh, Roberts is back. He’s regained control.’ ”
Perhaps, but for how long? Roberts might be with the radical majority on race, but will that alliance hold in other areas? And would this be Roberts in control — or merely the illusion of control? The majority to his right, to the extent it holds solid, retains the power to do what it will, whether Roberts signs on or not. It is fully aware it holds that power and is not afraid to exercise it.
Conversely, Roberts might see benefits to being on the losing side. As a nominee, Roberts famously insisted that judges are mere neutral umpires calling balls and strikes; as chief justice, he publicly reprimanded Trump for denouncing a jurist as an “Obama judge.” Roberts is the chief justice of the United States, the head of the entire judiciary. He might perceive an advantage in demonstrating with his vote that the high court — and the judiciary itself — is not neatly divided along party lines.
And there is another way for Roberts, who once aspired to be a history professor, to think about his choice: over the long sweep of time. Ineffective now might look heroic decades hence. Roberts can be remembered as the chief justice who went along with the conservative crowd and, in so doing, helped bring disrepute on an activist, radical court. Or he can be the conservative who tried to stop, or at least slow, the tide, lauded for his steadfastness even if it proves unavailing.
History seems certain to remember the Roberts court in a different way than John Roberts once imagined, but he retains the ability to shape history’s verdict on his own performance.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/04/supreme-court-john-roberts-tragedy-ruth-marcus/?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
In the past 5 weeks, the generic ballot average has gone from a Democrat lead of 1.9% to a Republican lead of 1.3%. The “undecideds” have dwindled and most of them have headed to R.So what’s going on?
Biden getting the blame for inflation?
Maybe.
Why the Republicans’ anti-democracy turn has become normalised
Post-Donald Trump’s presidency, the party isn’t post-Trump at all
Oct 27th 2022 | PHILADELPHIA
“If you leave the press area, you will be physically removed,” your correspondent is admonished by a campaign worker as he enters an American Legion hall in the town of Easton, Pennsylvania. Trips to the toilet and to get water are permissible with an escort. Some 200 people are assembled—many sporting red “Make America Great Again” caps, one proudly wearing a shirt saying “ultra maga”. They are all here for Doug Mastriano, the Republican nominee for governor in the state, and perhaps the most extreme candidate for governor running in this election cycle.
Mr Mastriano, a former army colonel and current state senator, did not just believe that the presidential election of 2020 was stolen from Donald Trump because of voter fraud. He bused dozens of stop-the-steal enthusiasts to the president’s rally in Washington, dc, on January 6th 2021. He was photographed at the Capitol before it was overrun by Trump supporters (though he maintains that he did not enter). And he has appeared at conferences affiliated with qAnon, a far-right conspiracy mythos.
“We are the seed of the nation, we are the holy experiment,” Mr Mastriano says at his rally, where he pledges that, on day one, he will ban critical race theory in schools, mandatory covid jabs and any form of “gender transition for minors”. The lost status of Christianity is a recurring theme. “We’ve seen now it’s open season, you can mock Christians for their faith and it’s not a problem. What other faiths are doing you can’t touch,” he says. Campaign posters at the event include a quotation from John 8:36: “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
To Josh Shapiro, his Democratic opponent and the state attorney-general, a victory for Mr Mastriano would constitute an existential threat to the republic. “I have run against I think seven Republicans in my lifetime,” says Mr Shapiro after a campaign event outside a grocery store in South Philadelphia. “I never worried in any of those races that their victory would mean the end of the institution that I was hoping to serve. Doug Mastriano has shown that he doesn’t value democracy. He doesn’t value personal freedom. And he’s made clear that unless you think like him, unless you look like him, unless you pray like him, unless you vote like him, you don’t count in Pennsylvania.”
Mr Shapiro’s conviction that Mr Mastriano was so cataclysmically unfit for office also led him to conclude that he would be the easiest opponent. He spent an estimated $855,000 on advertisements to boost Mr Mastriano’s chances during the Republican primary—more than double what Mr Mastriano spent on his own ads. Even though Democrats claim that the risks are existential, they were willing to make rather risky bets.
If Mr Mastriano were to win, he would be in place to certify the result of the 2024 presidential election, in which Mr Trump is widely expected to run again. Mr Mastriano could well refuse to do so in the case of a narrow Republican loss. That would risk a political crisis even larger than the one experienced in 2020. And the trend is not limited to Pennsylvania.
In Arizona Republicans have nominated Kari Lake for governor, a pugnacious former television anchorwoman whose campaign’s raison d’être has been rejecting the “shoddy, shady, corrupt election”. (Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, often described as a more moderate successor to Mr Trump, has happily campaigned for both Ms Lake and Mr Mastriano.) In Michigan Tudor Dixon, a conservative commentator, endorsed the myth of the stolen election before her primary—and has now moderated in the general election to a position of ignoring the question when it is posed to her. In Wisconsin Tim Michels refuses to say whether he would certify the result of the 2024 election.
These are four of the most hotly contested states in the country, where the slim margins of victory for Mr Biden ranged from 0.3 percentage points to 2.8. In 2020 Mr Trump and his allies waged a pressure campaign on the Republican governors of Arizona and Georgia to overturn the results in their states (both men resisted). Should even one member of this anti-democratic front be in charge of state elections, the chances of such a scenario would suddenly become much higher.
Look farther down the ballot, too, and concerning signs emerge about the new Republican Party. Some of the candidates running to be secretaries of state, who oversee elections in many states, are among the most ardent believers in Mr Trump’s lies. They include Mark Finchem in Arizona, a past member of the Oath Keepers militia and another attendee at the January 6th rally at the Capitol, and Kristina Karamo in Michigan, who rose to fame after claiming she witnessed election fraud in Detroit.
Republicans in the House of Representatives, a majority of whom voted to overturn some of the 2020 election results, are likely to become even more extreme. Marjorie Taylor Greene, a far-right congresswoman who was stripped of her committee assignments because of her conspiratorial statements about Jews and school shootings, is openly taunting Kevin McCarthy, the presumptive speaker of the House if Republicans win the chamber, about the need to delegate significant power to her and her ilk. In the modern Republican Party, it seems, election denial comes with a political premium, not a penalty.
Despite the best efforts of Democrats, these midterms do not look like being a referendum on the increasingly institutionalised anti-democratic tendencies of the right. With a few exceptions, after winning their primary contests most Republicans have de-emphasised the relitigation of the last election, as they seek to widen their appeal beyond the party base. They have more or less successfully defined the race as a referendum on Mr Biden’s leadership, crime, culture-war excess, education, inflation and immigration.
After a hopeful summer for Democrats in the wake of the Supreme Court’s unpopular ruling on abortion, the national environment has recently soured for the party in power, which now fears it may lose even the governorships of Oregon and New York. It is normal to see a backlash in midterm years. This time, though, it would come with an unfortunate side-effect: the continuing moral rotting of a previously grand old party.
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/10/27/why-the-republicans-anti-democracy-turn-has-become-normalised?
>>Campaign posters at the event include a quotation from John 8:36: “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
Sort of “Jesus macht frei”…
‘Wisconsin Republican says the quiet part out loud: GOP “will never lose another election” if I win’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wisconsin-republican-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-gop-will-never-lose-another-election-if-i-win/ar-AA13F6Sf
That’s their plan. They will never be out of government again, especially in Washington DC.
There may be elections, but the Republicans will always win.
There may be Democrat Presidents, but their administrations will be crippled by a House and a Senate that are perpetually in Republican hands. Inf fact, Democrat Presidents will be quite useful, as punching bags to take the blame for what the Republicans bring into being.
captain_spalding said:
‘Wisconsin Republican says the quiet part out loud: GOP “will never lose another election” if I win’https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wisconsin-republican-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-gop-will-never-lose-another-election-if-i-win/ar-AA13F6Sf
That’s their plan. They will never be out of government again, especially in Washington DC.
There may be elections, but the Republicans will always win.
There may be Democrat Presidents, but their administrations will be crippled by a House and a Senate that are perpetually in Republican hands. Inf fact, Democrat Presidents will be quite useful, as punching bags to take the blame for what the Republicans bring into being.
If Democrats are able to win the presidency in a biased system what’s preventing them from winning one or both houses of congress?
Witty Rejoinder said:
If Democrats are able to win the presidency in a biased system what’s preventing them from winning one or both houses of congress?
Electorates are awfully fickle, as we well know.
Never under-estimate the motivating power of sheer-bloody minded spite.
And the Republicans know that the real government is in the Capitol. Leave the Presidential process alone, they may say, let them have a Democrat in the White House now and then. We can make use of that.
NYC judge orders monitoring of Trump’s assets to ensure there is ‘no further fraud or illegality.’
Let’s talk about Trump, NY, and the monitor….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAfdCL-tU1Y
https://media.deseret.com/media/misc/pdf/faith-in-america/Faith-in-America-Survey-Summary-Report.pdf
Most Americans believe the US Constitution was divinely inspired
With a day to go there has been a late swing in the FiveThirtyEight model to the Dems, but it still looks like a mountain to climb in the House. Senate is still a coin flip though…
diddly-squat said:
With a day to go there has been a late swing in the FiveThirtyEight model to the Dems, but it still looks like a mountain to climb in the House. Senate is still a coin flip though…
What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:With a day to go there has been a late swing in the FiveThirtyEight model to the Dems, but it still looks like a mountain to climb in the House. Senate is still a coin flip though…
What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:With a day to go there has been a late swing in the FiveThirtyEight model to the Dems, but it still looks like a mountain to climb in the House. Senate is still a coin flip though…
What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
Those were the days, days when you could say what you thought with no recriminations, days of inalienable freedoms
No woke snowflakedomeshipness in those days pilgrim.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
Those were the days, days when you could say what you thought with no recriminations, days of inalienable freedoms
No woke snowflakedomeshipness in those days pilgrim.
Just don’t be a Commie.
Dark Orange said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
Those were the days, days when you could say what you thought with no recriminations, days of inalienable freedoms
No woke snowflakedomeshipness in those days pilgrim.
Just don’t be a Commie.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
Those were the days, days when you could say what you thought with no recriminations, days of inalienable freedoms
No woke snowflakedomeshipness in those days pilgrim.
And none of that ‘social security’ nonsense.
When people reached the end of their useful working lives, they’d do the proper and decent thing, and die of starvation and/or exposure.
America is going backwards.
Why?
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
It does seem hell-bent on becoming precisely the sort of society/regime which its foundation was meant to contradict.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
Those were the days, days when you could say what you thought with no recriminations, days of inalienable freedoms
No woke snowflakedomeshipness in those days pilgrim.
And none of that ‘social security’ nonsense.
When people reached the end of their useful working lives, they’d do the proper and decent thing, and die of starvation and/or exposure.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
It does seem hell-bent on becoming precisely the sort of society/regime which its foundation was meant to contradict.
Indeed.
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
Obviously partly it is misinformation by powerful interests, but also their political system structurally punishes progress. The malapportionment and filibuster in the Senate for instance mean that representatives of the most conservative states with 17% of the population can thwart Bills favoured by the more progressive 83%.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:With a day to go there has been a late swing in the FiveThirtyEight model to the Dems, but it still looks like a mountain to climb in the House. Senate is still a coin flip though…
What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
I’m less convinced those are the underlying drivers.. I mean I think it’s easy to simplify the argument in America down to that, but it’s also much more… The divide in the US is stark and it’s increasingly become one of geography, one of education and (increasingly) one of faith.. ultimately it feels a lot like core identity politics it taking over.
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
I think the underlying political demographic is shifting, but I’m not sure it’s helpful to say that a shift to the right is necessarily a “step backwards”
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
Obviously partly it is misinformation by powerful interests, but also their political system structurally punishes progress. The malapportionment and filibuster in the Senate for instance mean that representatives of the most conservative states with 17% of the population can thwart Bills favoured by the more progressive 83%.
While I understand you point, that’s still not entirely true.. The Dems had control of the senate this term but couldn’t wip the votes on key legalisation like parts of Build Back Better
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
I think the underlying political demographic is shifting, but I’m not sure it’s helpful to say that a shift to the right is necessarily a “step backwards”
IDK man conservativism more or less by definition is about preventing progress or even reverting to a prior condition.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
Obviously partly it is misinformation by powerful interests, but also their political system structurally punishes progress. The malapportionment and filibuster in the Senate for instance mean that representatives of the most conservative states with 17% of the population can thwart Bills favoured by the more progressive 83%.
While I understand you point, that’s still not entirely true.. The Dems had control of the senate this term but couldn’t wip the votes on key legalisation like parts of Build Back Better
but yes, the filibuster and the Senate Super Majority are pretty silly constructs IMO, or at least mean that making substantive change is incredibly difficult.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
Obviously partly it is misinformation by powerful interests, but also their political system structurally punishes progress. The malapportionment and filibuster in the Senate for instance mean that representatives of the most conservative states with 17% of the population can thwart Bills favoured by the more progressive 83%.
While I understand you point, that’s still not entirely true.. The Dems had control of the senate this term but couldn’t wip the votes on key legalisation like parts of Build Back Better
A lot of the Dems are pretty conservative.
It’s not just about R v D. The political structure forces D to cater to the more conservative elements as well. Yoir example reinforces my point.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
I think the underlying political demographic is shifting, but I’m not sure it’s helpful to say that a shift to the right is necessarily a “step backwards”
IDK man conservativism more or less by definition is about preventing progress or even reverting to a prior condition.
No man, the conservative approach is steady as she goes progress not a lemming rush at it.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
I think the underlying political demographic is shifting, but I’m not sure it’s helpful to say that a shift to the right is necessarily a “step backwards”
IDK man conservativism more or less by definition is about preventing progress or even reverting to a prior condition.
yeah yeah.. my comment was more aimed at the demonization of of right-wing “deplorables”… I think language like that helps fuel a rallying cry for conservatives
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Obviously partly it is misinformation by powerful interests, but also their political system structurally punishes progress. The malapportionment and filibuster in the Senate for instance mean that representatives of the most conservative states with 17% of the population can thwart Bills favoured by the more progressive 83%.
While I understand you point, that’s still not entirely true.. The Dems had control of the senate this term but couldn’t wip the votes on key legalisation like parts of Build Back Better
A lot of the Dems are pretty conservative.
It’s not just about R v D. The political structure forces D to cater to the more conservative elements as well. Yoir example reinforces my point.
I know.. The idea is that representatives like Joe Manchin hold the balance because they fear they won’t be re-elected.. but the Dems will never hold the Senate if they can’t start to appeal to rural voters, they know how the system works, they need to look at how they can build a more evenly distributed coalition (geographically, that is)
Gun laws are another good case. Polls repeatedly indicate that 85 to 90% of Americans want universal psychiatric and criminal background checks when people purchase firearms. I mean I can’t imagine what the fuck is wrong with the 10 to 15%, but yeah. In a functioning democracy this legislation would be a slam dunk win, but after repeated efforts it just can’t get through the Senate.
Things are not perfect in the Australian system but overall, the oarties are striving to be close to the political middle and when your party strays to far from that, your party get punished.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:What is the Amercian dream I wonder, 1950’s type mentality, big old tough USA at the start of the Cold War, people knew their place, white men ruled supreme
I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
I’m less convinced those are the underlying drivers.. I mean I think it’s easy to simplify the argument in America down to that, but it’s also much more… The divide in the US is stark and it’s increasingly become one of geography, one of education and (increasingly) one of faith.. ultimately it feels a lot like core identity politics it taking over.
It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
dv said:
Gun laws are another good case. Polls repeatedly indicate that 85 to 90% of Americans want universal psychiatric and criminal background checks when people purchase firearms. I mean I can’t imagine what the fuck is wrong with the 10 to 15%, but yeah. In a functioning democracy this legislation would be a slam dunk win, but after repeated efforts it just can’t get through the Senate.Things are not perfect in the Australian system but overall, the oarties are striving to be close to the political middle and when your party strays to far from that, your party get punished.
it’s really not that hard to understand, guns are an identity issue.. it’s about “Constitutional” protections for many people
Having said that I actually don’t think that gun ownership laws are all that well understood by most Americans, but that’s not the point..
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
I’m less convinced those are the underlying drivers.. I mean I think it’s easy to simplify the argument in America down to that, but it’s also much more… The divide in the US is stark and it’s increasingly become one of geography, one of education and (increasingly) one of faith.. ultimately it feels a lot like core identity politics it taking over.
It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
When your constitution is believed to be divinely inspired then all sorts of crazy can creep in.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:I think that some (a lot) of them want to go back to some period which exists only in their imaginations. When, as you say, white men ruled supreme, there was no such thing as atheists or agnostics, everyone went to church, communism had been barely thought of, and you could be as big an arsehole as you liked towards whoever you chose to, and no-one could do anything about it. Maybe the first decades of the 20th century, maybe the first half of the 1950s, maybe a blend of the two.
I’m less convinced those are the underlying drivers.. I mean I think it’s easy to simplify the argument in America down to that, but it’s also much more… The divide in the US is stark and it’s increasingly become one of geography, one of education and (increasingly) one of faith.. ultimately it feels a lot like core identity politics it taking over.
It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
Evangelical and Pentecostal Christian groups are becoming more and more “nationalist”… I agree it’s weird…
Tau.Neutrino said:
America is going backwards.Why?
See Hegel.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:I’m less convinced those are the underlying drivers.. I mean I think it’s easy to simplify the argument in America down to that, but it’s also much more… The divide in the US is stark and it’s increasingly become one of geography, one of education and (increasingly) one of faith.. ultimately it feels a lot like core identity politics it taking over.
It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
Evangelical and Pentecostal Christian groups are becoming more and more “nationalist”… I agree it’s weird…
Yes, it is weird.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Gun laws are another good case. Polls repeatedly indicate that 85 to 90% of Americans want universal psychiatric and criminal background checks when people purchase firearms. I mean I can’t imagine what the fuck is wrong with the 10 to 15%, but yeah. In a functioning democracy this legislation would be a slam dunk win, but after repeated efforts it just can’t get through the Senate.Things are not perfect in the Australian system but overall, the oarties are striving to be close to the political middle and when your party strays to far from that, your party get punished.
it’s really not that hard to understand, guns are an identity issue.. it’s about “Constitutional” protections for many people
Right but clearly that’s not it in this case because only a tiny sliver of the population oppose psychiatric and criminal background checks.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
Evangelical and Pentecostal Christian groups are becoming more and more “nationalist”… I agree it’s weird…
Yes, it is weird.
Pastor Chuck Swindoll and PeterT Ministries don’t talk in tongues.
Well maybe late on a friday night PeterT might be a bit hard to understand.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:I’m less convinced those are the underlying drivers.. I mean I think it’s easy to simplify the argument in America down to that, but it’s also much more… The divide in the US is stark and it’s increasingly become one of geography, one of education and (increasingly) one of faith.. ultimately it feels a lot like core identity politics it taking over.
It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
Evangelical and Pentecostal Christian groups are becoming more and more “nationalist”… I agree it’s weird…
i watched a doco in the appalchia series that told the story about how they avoided preachers that would preach from the book preferring those who got tanked and god spoke through. the more illiterate the better because the illiterate could be trusted more. I’d never heard of such before but it could explain some of the crap.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Gun laws are another good case. Polls repeatedly indicate that 85 to 90% of Americans want universal psychiatric and criminal background checks when people purchase firearms. I mean I can’t imagine what the fuck is wrong with the 10 to 15%, but yeah. In a functioning democracy this legislation would be a slam dunk win, but after repeated efforts it just can’t get through the Senate.Things are not perfect in the Australian system but overall, the oarties are striving to be close to the political middle and when your party strays to far from that, your party get punished.
it’s really not that hard to understand, guns are an identity issue.. it’s about “Constitutional” protections for many people
Right but clearly that’s not it in this case because only a tiny sliver of the population oppose psychiatric and criminal background checks.
I guess my reasoning is that they oppose those checks and balances because they believe citizens have a fundamental right to own a gun.. which fullily enough isn;t what the constitution says, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
diddly-squat said:
I guess my reasoning is that they oppose those checks and balances because they believe citizens have a fundamental right to own a gun.. which fullily enough isn;t what the constitution says, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
The amendment is very poorly worded, using archaic phrasing which distorts the intent of the authors. Who were quite possibly also pissed at the time.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:It’s sure hard to grok the link between being more religious and voting for Trump. But they don’t do god by the book.
Evangelical and Pentecostal Christian groups are becoming more and more “nationalist”… I agree it’s weird…
i watched a doco in the appalchia series that told the story about how they avoided preachers that would preach from the book preferring those who got tanked and god spoke through. the more illiterate the better because the illiterate could be trusted more. I’d never heard of such before but it could explain some of the crap.
West Virginia is one of my favourite places in the US to visit.. in fact the Appalachia region as a whole is amazing.. but man they have some wackos. the snake handlers are at the very peak of that particular wacko mountain.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I guess my reasoning is that they oppose those checks and balances because they believe citizens have a fundamental right to own a gun.. which fullily enough isn;t what the constitution says, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
The amendment is very poorly worded, using archaic phrasing which distorts the intent of the authors. Who were quite possibly also pissed at the time.
The amendment makes sense in principle.. “you, as a citizen, have the right to form militias and bear arms against a tyrannical government”.. cool, gotcha.. how that has become “you, as a citizen, have a fundamental right to own any gun you want in absence of any legislative controls” is for me one of the best examples of modern day political subversion by big business ever.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I guess my reasoning is that they oppose those checks and balances because they believe citizens have a fundamental right to own a gun.. which fullily enough isn;t what the constitution says, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
The amendment is very poorly worded, using archaic phrasing which distorts the intent of the authors. Who were quite possibly also pissed at the time.
The amendment makes sense in principle.. “you, as a citizen, have the right to form militias and bear arms against a tyrannical government”.. cool, gotcha.. how that has become “you, as a citizen, have a fundamental right to own any gun you want in absence of any legislative controls” is for me one of the best examples of modern day political subversion by big business ever.
It seems a significant number of governments today are very much like or worse than those they fought against years ago.
Wonder what the founding fathers would thinks of the USA both at home and abroad today.
Show them warts and all how the constitution they laid down is used.
Russia (formerly USSR) and China both repress citizens rights, exploit the people and so on.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:The amendment is very poorly worded, using archaic phrasing which distorts the intent of the authors. Who were quite possibly also pissed at the time.
The amendment makes sense in principle.. “you, as a citizen, have the right to form militias and bear arms against a tyrannical government”.. cool, gotcha.. how that has become “you, as a citizen, have a fundamental right to own any gun you want in absence of any legislative controls” is for me one of the best examples of modern day political subversion by big business ever.
It seems a significant number of governments today are very much like or worse than those they fought against years ago.
Wonder what the founding fathers would thinks of the USA both at home and abroad today.
Show them warts and all how the constitution they laid down is used.Russia (formerly USSR) and China both repress citizens rights, exploit the people and so on.
exactly, rules are for losers, winners don’t need win conditions
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:The amendment makes sense in principle.. “you, as a citizen, have the right to form militias and bear arms against a tyrannical government”.. cool, gotcha.. how that has become “you, as a citizen, have a fundamental right to own any gun you want in absence of any legislative controls” is for me one of the best examples of modern day political subversion by big business ever.
It seems a significant number of governments today are very much like or worse than those they fought against years ago.
Wonder what the founding fathers would thinks of the USA both at home and abroad today.
Show them warts and all how the constitution they laid down is used.Russia (formerly USSR) and China both repress citizens rights, exploit the people and so on.
exactly, rules are for losers, winners don’t need win conditions
Seems that way.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I guess my reasoning is that they oppose those checks and balances because they believe citizens have a fundamental right to own a gun.. which fullily enough isn;t what the constitution says, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
The amendment is very poorly worded, using archaic phrasing which distorts the intent of the authors. Who were quite possibly also pissed at the time.
John Howard managed to get around it by rescinding a part of the Magna Carta.
diddly-squat said:
, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
imagine law
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
imagine law
Yes. John Lennon tried that and got a chest full of bullets.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:diddly-squat said:
, it’s just the way it’s been interpreted.
imagine law
Yes. John Lennon tried that and got a chest full of bullets.
a lot of Americans have chests full of bullets, that’s the problem we’re talking about isn’t it
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:imagine law
Yes. John Lennon tried that and got a chest full of bullets.
a lot of Americans have chests full of bullets, that’s the problem we’re talking about isn’t it
It certainly appears so.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:It seems a significant number of governments today are very much like or worse than those they fought against years ago.
Wonder what the founding fathers would thinks of the USA both at home and abroad today.
Show them warts and all how the constitution they laid down is used.Russia (formerly USSR) and China both repress citizens rights, exploit the people and so on.
exactly, rules are for losers, winners don’t need win conditions
Seems that way.
so
In a statement, the Justice Department wrote the allegations “raise serious concerns”, adding that “vigilante ballot security efforts” likely violate the federal Voting Rights Act.
Let the games begin
diddly-squat said:
Let the games begin
May the odds be ever in your favor.
fuck CHINA and their
Politicians with UNHINGED Medical Takes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE4Zk7Dh-ww
We have ultrasounds of male babies pleasuring themselves in the womb and that’s why there should not be abortions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/putin-ally-yevgeny-prigozhin-admits-interfering-in-us-elections
Vigilantes Are Intimidating Voters and Election Workers. That’s Nothing New in America.
Voters have reported armed individuals guarding ballot drop boxes and, in some cases, photographing and threatening them
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/11/poll-watchers-election-armed-vigilantes/
sarahs mum said:
Vigilantes Are Intimidating Voters and Election Workers. That’s Nothing New in America.
Voters have reported armed individuals guarding ballot drop boxes and, in some cases, photographing and threatening themhttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/11/poll-watchers-election-armed-vigilantes/
This is America ir is a free country we can do whatever we like.
That statement told me that they are fucked.
As much as I’d like to do whatever I liked and could do it responsibly, so many others cannot.
If half of the people cannot accept the result of the election then they may as well go back to the rule of the fastest gun.
The 5 big questions on Election Day 2022
Analysis by Aaron Blake
November 8, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. EST
It’s Election Day. What will decide the 2022 election? And what might we be talking about in the days and weeks to come?
Below are several questions we’ll be watching closely.
1. How quickly will we know?
The bad news if you’re staying up late Tuesday night is that it’s possible no amount of sleep deprivation will allow you to make sure you find out who takes the Senate.
That’s because slower vote-counting in states like Arizona and Pennsylvania could extend things — as could a very possible runoff in Georgia if neither candidate gets 50 percent plus one. Those three races account for 3 of the 4 that the Cook Political Report rates as “tossups” — i.e. they’re the pivotal ones.
The Post’s Early 202 last week had your full download on the ways in which the 2022 midterm results could be prolonged. And Philip Bump adds a useful piece noting that many race calls take 12 hours or more — in contrast to the Trump allies who misleadingly argue that all votes should be countable (and counted) on election night, or even that such a thing is somehow suspect.
To the extent that the balance of power is still in doubt on Wednesday morning or even afterward, that’s probably a good sign for Democrats, because it would suggest a Republican wave hasn’t materialized. But we should all be prepared for a situation like in 2020, when we had to wait for Georgia’s voters in January before we knew who controlled the Senate.
The good news if that happens? Georgia’s runoffs are now in early December.
2. How much do (Trump’s) bad candidates matter?
To the extent Republicans underperform on Election Day — and especially if they fail to take the Senate — it’s quite likely that we’ll be talking a lot about Donald Trump.
The reason: The flawed candidates he helped to saddle the GOP with.
It’s possible the GOP will win those races anyway. But there’s no question that Trump’s chosen candidates have made that more arduous.
Midterms almost always favor the party that’s not in the White House, and factors like inflation and President Biden’s poor approval rating mean this should, by all rights, be a good GOP year. Combine that with the narrow gains the GOP needs to take control of the House (a handful of seats) and Senate (just one), and it’s pretty shocking that the latter is even in doubt.
The reason it’s in doubt is pretty clear, though. In addition to the looming issue of abortion rights (which we’ll get to), Republicans have fielded several nominees that voters don’t particularly like. In Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Ohio, where Trump candidates prevailed in the primaries, the popularity gaps were once immense and lingered long after. And even as some of these candidates have gained in the polls, it’s clearly owed more to Republican-leaning voters coming home than to voters suddenly deciding they really like Blake Masters, Herschel Walker, Mehmet Oz and J.D. Vance.
Candidates matter less and less in today’s politics, with voters viewing them more as warm bodies and a means to an end — i.e., 1 vote out of 100.
If the power of partisanship is not enough, though, you can bet there’ll be a bit of a reckoning, even as Trump lines up a potentially imminent campaign to return to the White House. And if it is enough, the GOP may actually be hurt by avoiding a potentially beneficial reckoning ahead of 2024. Because it never should have been as close as it seems to be.
3. Whither — and wither — the polling?
As someone who relies upon polling for his job, this election makes me wince.
The polls have been off a fair amount in recent elections — often overestimating Democrats’ performances, though sometimes misfiring in the other direction — which obviously leads us to question just how much we can trust them.
And the 2022 election has occasioned an especially sizable gap between establishment media polls — which estimate that the Democrats have a much better shot to hold the Senate, and also rate them more highly on the generic ballot — and lower-quality polls conducted by GOP-aligned groups.
While polls aren’t predictive, it’s not difficult to predict what that gap portends if there’s a GOP sweep this year.
The logical question is which group of polls will wind up being closer. In some ways, that misses the point. It’s possible that the flood of GOP-aligned polls will be closer to the results. But it seems unlikely because they have some kind of special sauce that the more experienced pollsters lack. More likely, they might be closer to the results because elections tend to break in a certain direction and because polling — particularly in an age in which poll response rates are so low — is an increasingly difficult exercise.
But that’s also kind of the point. If polling is becoming more difficult and we should trust it less, then we should do so regardless of the reasons it was off — and regardless of whether GOP-aligned pollsters got lucky.
That doesn’t mean we’d throw the baby out with the bathwater; polling can tell us plenty — such as about where Americans broadly stand on an issue — when we’re not trying to glean whether a four-point “lead” is going to hold up. We just notice its flaws more when the margins are so fine and those margins make the difference between winning and losing.
4. Which issues drive the day?
Rarely has an election involved the two sides talking so extensively about such different things. Republicans have been laser-focused on inflation and the economy, as well as perceptions of crime, while Democrats have focused more on abortion rights and threats to democracy.
This is perhaps the defining issue choice of the 2022 election, as we’ve noted before.
The signs seem to suggest that voters are more preoccupied with the former. But it matters just how heavily that outweighs other factors.
As we wrote last month, the reason the economy often ranks higher on people’s list of priorities is that many Democrats also rank it highly — even though that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll vote against the president’s party. That’s a contrast to abortion, which is simply now much more of a priority on the left than on the right, knocking it down on the overall pecking order.
But abortion rights still may not be the same driver on the left that inflation is on the right — and independents still might break for Republicans because of the economy.
Indeed, it’s very difficult for the president’s party to win — or even hold — ground in a midterm, and midterms held amid spiking inflation are some of the worst for the president’s party on record in the last 100 years.
(One thing we can say pretty authoritatively: Democrats haven’t really driven home the “threat to democracy” issue.)
By the same token, Democrats clearly got a shot in the arm after Roe v. Wade was overturned. They not only gained ground on the generic ballot, but they also over-performed their 2020 vote margins in every special election held afterward.
That energy edge was always going to be difficult to sustain in a higher-turnout general election and as Roe’s overturning drifts further in to the rearview. But Democrats hope it’ll at least be enough to turn out their base and perhaps give moderate votes pause about voting for candidates order would ban abortion — something that polls very unpopularly and has led to some telling walkbacks by Republicans in key races.
5. Do Republicans make headway on Latino — and even Black — voters?
This is something that some smart Democrats are increasingly warning about.
Renowned Democratic pollster John Anzalone told the Wall Street Journal this week: “I think that this could be a paradigm-shift election, where Republicans are not only making inroads with the Latino vote, but they’re now making inroads with the African-American vote.”
That paradigm shift has in some ways already begun, at least with Latino voters. Despite Trump’s 2020 loss, he gained significantly from his 2016 margins with this demographic. The GOP gained especially among Latinos in South Texas and South Florida, and it even flipped a heavily Hispanic, South Texas seat in a special election held before Roe was overturned.
Plenty of polls suggest Democrats’ usual margins among Latinos have shrunk. And the Journal’s poll even showed 17 percent of Black voters going GOP — double Trump’s 2020 and the GOP’s 2018 totals.
If Democrats can’t rack up the kind of margins they once did among these groups — or even just one of them — that would suggest not just a bad 2022 election, but more difficult ones in the years to come.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/08/five-questions-election-day-2022/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
The 5 big questions on Election Day 2022Analysis by Aaron Blake
November 8, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. ESTIt’s Election Day. What will decide the 2022 election? And what might we be talking about in the days and weeks to come?
Below are several questions we’ll be watching closely.
1. How quickly will we know?
The bad news if you’re staying up late Tuesday night is that it’s possible no amount of sleep deprivation will allow you to make sure you find out who takes the Senate.That’s because slower vote-counting in states like Arizona and Pennsylvania could extend things — as could a very possible runoff in Georgia if neither candidate gets 50 percent plus one. Those three races account for 3 of the 4 that the Cook Political Report rates as “tossups” — i.e. they’re the pivotal ones.
The Post’s Early 202 last week had your full download on the ways in which the 2022 midterm results could be prolonged. And Philip Bump adds a useful piece noting that many race calls take 12 hours or more — in contrast to the Trump allies who misleadingly argue that all votes should be countable (and counted) on election night, or even that such a thing is somehow suspect.
To the extent that the balance of power is still in doubt on Wednesday morning or even afterward, that’s probably a good sign for Democrats, because it would suggest a Republican wave hasn’t materialized. But we should all be prepared for a situation like in 2020, when we had to wait for Georgia’s voters in January before we knew who controlled the Senate.
The good news if that happens? Georgia’s runoffs are now in early December.
2. How much do (Trump’s) bad candidates matter?
To the extent Republicans underperform on Election Day — and especially if they fail to take the Senate — it’s quite likely that we’ll be talking a lot about Donald Trump.The reason: The flawed candidates he helped to saddle the GOP with.
It’s possible the GOP will win those races anyway. But there’s no question that Trump’s chosen candidates have made that more arduous.
Midterms almost always favor the party that’s not in the White House, and factors like inflation and President Biden’s poor approval rating mean this should, by all rights, be a good GOP year. Combine that with the narrow gains the GOP needs to take control of the House (a handful of seats) and Senate (just one), and it’s pretty shocking that the latter is even in doubt.
The reason it’s in doubt is pretty clear, though. In addition to the looming issue of abortion rights (which we’ll get to), Republicans have fielded several nominees that voters don’t particularly like. In Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Ohio, where Trump candidates prevailed in the primaries, the popularity gaps were once immense and lingered long after. And even as some of these candidates have gained in the polls, it’s clearly owed more to Republican-leaning voters coming home than to voters suddenly deciding they really like Blake Masters, Herschel Walker, Mehmet Oz and J.D. Vance.
Candidates matter less and less in today’s politics, with voters viewing them more as warm bodies and a means to an end — i.e., 1 vote out of 100.
If the power of partisanship is not enough, though, you can bet there’ll be a bit of a reckoning, even as Trump lines up a potentially imminent campaign to return to the White House. And if it is enough, the GOP may actually be hurt by avoiding a potentially beneficial reckoning ahead of 2024. Because it never should have been as close as it seems to be.
3. Whither — and wither — the polling?
As someone who relies upon polling for his job, this election makes me wince.The polls have been off a fair amount in recent elections — often overestimating Democrats’ performances, though sometimes misfiring in the other direction — which obviously leads us to question just how much we can trust them.
And the 2022 election has occasioned an especially sizable gap between establishment media polls — which estimate that the Democrats have a much better shot to hold the Senate, and also rate them more highly on the generic ballot — and lower-quality polls conducted by GOP-aligned groups.
While polls aren’t predictive, it’s not difficult to predict what that gap portends if there’s a GOP sweep this year.
The logical question is which group of polls will wind up being closer. In some ways, that misses the point. It’s possible that the flood of GOP-aligned polls will be closer to the results. But it seems unlikely because they have some kind of special sauce that the more experienced pollsters lack. More likely, they might be closer to the results because elections tend to break in a certain direction and because polling — particularly in an age in which poll response rates are so low — is an increasingly difficult exercise.
But that’s also kind of the point. If polling is becoming more difficult and we should trust it less, then we should do so regardless of the reasons it was off — and regardless of whether GOP-aligned pollsters got lucky.
That doesn’t mean we’d throw the baby out with the bathwater; polling can tell us plenty — such as about where Americans broadly stand on an issue — when we’re not trying to glean whether a four-point “lead” is going to hold up. We just notice its flaws more when the margins are so fine and those margins make the difference between winning and losing.
4. Which issues drive the day?
Rarely has an election involved the two sides talking so extensively about such different things. Republicans have been laser-focused on inflation and the economy, as well as perceptions of crime, while Democrats have focused more on abortion rights and threats to democracy.This is perhaps the defining issue choice of the 2022 election, as we’ve noted before.
The signs seem to suggest that voters are more preoccupied with the former. But it matters just how heavily that outweighs other factors.
As we wrote last month, the reason the economy often ranks higher on people’s list of priorities is that many Democrats also rank it highly — even though that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll vote against the president’s party. That’s a contrast to abortion, which is simply now much more of a priority on the left than on the right, knocking it down on the overall pecking order.
But abortion rights still may not be the same driver on the left that inflation is on the right — and independents still might break for Republicans because of the economy.
Indeed, it’s very difficult for the president’s party to win — or even hold — ground in a midterm, and midterms held amid spiking inflation are some of the worst for the president’s party on record in the last 100 years.
(One thing we can say pretty authoritatively: Democrats haven’t really driven home the “threat to democracy” issue.)
By the same token, Democrats clearly got a shot in the arm after Roe v. Wade was overturned. They not only gained ground on the generic ballot, but they also over-performed their 2020 vote margins in every special election held afterward.
That energy edge was always going to be difficult to sustain in a higher-turnout general election and as Roe’s overturning drifts further in to the rearview. But Democrats hope it’ll at least be enough to turn out their base and perhaps give moderate votes pause about voting for candidates order would ban abortion — something that polls very unpopularly and has led to some telling walkbacks by Republicans in key races.
5. Do Republicans make headway on Latino — and even Black — voters?
This is something that some smart Democrats are increasingly warning about.Renowned Democratic pollster John Anzalone told the Wall Street Journal this week: “I think that this could be a paradigm-shift election, where Republicans are not only making inroads with the Latino vote, but they’re now making inroads with the African-American vote.”
That paradigm shift has in some ways already begun, at least with Latino voters. Despite Trump’s 2020 loss, he gained significantly from his 2016 margins with this demographic. The GOP gained especially among Latinos in South Texas and South Florida, and it even flipped a heavily Hispanic, South Texas seat in a special election held before Roe was overturned.
Plenty of polls suggest Democrats’ usual margins among Latinos have shrunk. And the Journal’s poll even showed 17 percent of Black voters going GOP — double Trump’s 2020 and the GOP’s 2018 totals.
If Democrats can’t rack up the kind of margins they once did among these groups — or even just one of them — that would suggest not just a bad 2022 election, but more difficult ones in the years to come.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/08/five-questions-election-day-2022/?
I do feel for those who have had the wool pulled over their eyes. The republicans if they gain the balance of power, won’t look after the Hispanics or the African Americans any better than the KKK did.
The former chair of the Republican National Committee says there will be a “political hellscape” over the next two years if Republicans seize control of Congress.
“The ideas are mine, Bob. The ideas are mine. Want to know something? Everything is mine.”
roughbarked said:
“The ideas are mine, Bob. The ideas are mine. Want to know something? Everything is mine.”
we should start to see some initial results (and exit polls) come in over the next few hours..
exciting times
dv said:
Max Frost isn’t just a freezer setting, he’s a Democrat in Florida who appears set to become the first Gen Z in Congress. Hopefully he’ll fire a rocket up some of those stuffy and jaded Millennials clogging up the joint.
Well he won so there’s that
GOP operative found guilty of funneling Russian money to Donald Trump
A Republican political strategist was convicted of illegally helping a Russian businessman contribute to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.
Jesse Benton, 44, was pardoned by Trump in 2020 for a different campaign finance crime, months before he was indicted again on six counts related to facilitating an illegal foreign campaign donation. He was found guilty Thursday on all six counts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/17/benton-trump-russian-vasilenko-guilty/
dv said:
GOP operative found guilty of funneling Russian money to Donald Trump
A Republican political strategist was convicted of illegally helping a Russian businessman contribute to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.
Jesse Benton, 44, was pardoned by Trump in 2020 for a different campaign finance crime, months before he was indicted again on six counts related to facilitating an illegal foreign campaign donation. He was found guilty Thursday on all six counts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/17/benton-trump-russian-vasilenko-guilty/
witch hunt, everyone knows that draining Russian coffers to Make America Great Again is good
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
GOP operative found guilty of funneling Russian money to Donald Trump
A Republican political strategist was convicted of illegally helping a Russian businessman contribute to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.
Jesse Benton, 44, was pardoned by Trump in 2020 for a different campaign finance crime, months before he was indicted again on six counts related to facilitating an illegal foreign campaign donation. He was found guilty Thursday on all six counts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/17/benton-trump-russian-vasilenko-guilty/
witch hunt, everyone knows that draining Russian coffers to Make America Great Again is good
The goodliest.
Thanks to Marjorie Taylor Greene for contributing to the escalation.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The massacre at Club Q didn’t happen in a vacuum. There has been a dangerous escalation in hateful anti-LGBT rhetoricThanks to Marjorie Taylor Greene for contributing to the escalation.
The idea that LGBTQ+ people are “groomers” and paedophiles has become a mainstream conservative talking point pushed by everyone from Fox News to Republican politicians. Christina Pushaw, the press secretary for the Florida governor Ron DeSantis, for example, said that a new law preventing Florida schools from teaching kids about LGBTQ+ people should be called the “the anti-grooming bill”. If you’re against it, she tweeted, “you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of four- to eight-year-old children”. According to the Human Rights Campaign, the average number of tweets each day using slurs such as “groomer” and “paedophile” in relation to LGBTQ+ people increased by 406% in the month after the Florida bill was passed.
Just watched an interview with the father of the Q club killer. Holy fucking shitballs! The guy is a mess…“at least my son is not gay”.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
The massacre at Club Q didn’t happen in a vacuum. There has been a dangerous escalation in hateful anti-LGBT rhetoricThanks to Marjorie Taylor Greene for contributing to the escalation.
The idea that LGBTQ+ people are “groomers” and paedophiles has become a mainstream conservative talking point pushed by everyone from Fox News to Republican politicians. Christina Pushaw, the press secretary for the Florida governor Ron DeSantis, for example, said that a new law preventing Florida schools from teaching kids about LGBTQ+ people should be called the “the anti-grooming bill”. If you’re against it, she tweeted, “you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of four- to eight-year-old children”. According to the Human Rights Campaign, the average number of tweets each day using slurs such as “groomer” and “paedophile” in relation to LGBTQ+ people increased by 406% in the month after the Florida bill was passed.
A number of people think that.
Interesting though that many if not most child sex offenders are “respected” members of society and don’t in any way look, act or identify as LGBTQ+
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Maricopa County, Arizona people losing the plotYoutube.
That’s too hard to watch.
It’s fucking hilarious.
kii said:
Just watched an interview with the father of the Q club killer. Holy fucking shitballs! The guy is a mess…“at least my son is not gay”.
Yeah… sounds like a great family all around
dv said:
kii said:
Just watched an interview with the father of the Q club killer. Holy fucking shitballs! The guy is a mess…“at least my son is not gay”.
Yeah… sounds like a great family all around
so the good news is they’re more likely to pass on the master racial genetics
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Maricopa County, Arizona people losing the plotYoutube.
That’s too hard to watch.
It’s fucking hilarious.
Jesus fucking Christ.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:That’s too hard to watch.
It’s fucking hilarious.
Jesus fucking Christ.
You can see why Socrates wasn’t that keen on democracy without education :)
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:It’s fucking hilarious.
Jesus fucking Christ.
You can see why Socrates wasn’t that keen on democracy without education :)
what so uneducated people are less deserving of representation are they
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
dv said:Jesus fucking Christ.
You can see why Socrates wasn’t that keen on democracy without education :)
what so uneducated people are less deserving of representation are they
I like that dude saying “this election is uncertifiable”.
Unlike you, champ.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
Maricopa County, Arizona people losing the plotYoutube.
That’s too hard to watch.
It’s fucking hilarious.
Maybe but I couldn’t bing myself to watch that far.
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:That’s too hard to watch.
It’s fucking hilarious.
Maybe but I couldn’t bing myself to watch that far.
Imagine being a busy local official having to take a day out to listen to delusional claptrap
dv said:
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:It’s fucking hilarious.
Maybe but I couldn’t bing myself to watch that far.
Imagine being a busy local official having to take a day out to listen to delusional claptrap
Oooh um nah. I can imagine, which is why I stay away from all that stuff.
I love Yelling in a room full of people.
Yelling is how I talk to everyone.
If you want personalised yelling, I can do that.
I yell at my family, I yell at supermarket cashiers.
I yell while driving and I love yelling on the CB radio.
Yelling is Great.
Ask him a few days afterwards want he was yelling about.
And you get Yelling and more Yelling that has nothing to do with what he was yelling about.
Genius.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I love Yelling in a room full of people.
Yelling is how I talk to everyone.
If you want personalised yelling, I can do that.
I yell at my family, I yell at supermarket cashiers.
I yell while driving and I love yelling on the CB radio.
Yelling is Great.
Give that conservative intellectual a haircut and he could be Alex Jones
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I love Yelling in a room full of people.
Yelling is how I talk to everyone.
If you want personalised yelling, I can do that.
I yell at my family, I yell at supermarket cashiers.
I yell while driving and I love yelling on the CB radio.
Yelling is Great.
Give that conservative intellectual a haircut and he could be Alex Jones
Alpha male with no intelligent direction.
Alaska completed their ranked choice voting counts.
The House seat (Alaska-1) was won by the Democrat Mary Peltola who defeated Sarah Palin by 10%.
The Alaska Senate seat was between two Republicans, Tshibaka and Murkowski. Tshibaka was the Trump-endorsed Republican, while Murkowski is the incumbent who voted to convict Trump in his second impeachment trial. Murkowski has just been reelected, beating Tshibaka by 8%, so that’s kind of good news.
We see a lot of US politicians having meltdowns, a lot of right wing extremism has this anger being dragged along with it.
Where does emotional intelligence sit with all this?
Their emotional intelligence seems to be missing, that a lot of these people cannot control their own emotions and are failing to perceive how others see their emotions.
Tau.Neutrino said:
We see a lot of US politicians having meltdowns, a lot of right wing extremism has this anger being dragged along with it.Where does emotional intelligence sit with all this?
Their emotional intelligence seems to be missing, that a lot of these people cannot control their own emotions and are failing to perceive how others see their emotions.
Maybe there is something about the anger that these right wing extremists seem to be attracted to.
Although there are only 2 uncalled seats in the House of Reps now, and the Republicans have a majority, I suspect Kevin McCarthy is sweating on those two seats. 5 House Republicans have said they will not support him as House Majority Leader.
Nicholas Joseph Fuentes (born August 18, 1998) is an American white supremacist political commentator and live streamer. A former YouTuber, his channel was permanently suspended in February 2020 for violating YouTube’s hate speech policy. He holds antisemitic views and denies the Holocaust. Fuentes self-identifies as a member of the incel movement and as a supporter of authoritarian government.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
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Poor kid just needs a root.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Nicholas Joseph Fuentes (born August 18, 1998) is an American white supremacist political commentator and live streamer. A former YouTuber, his channel was permanently suspended in February 2020 for violating YouTube’s hate speech policy. He holds antisemitic views and denies the Holocaust. Fuentes self-identifies as a member of the incel movement and as a supporter of authoritarian government.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
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Poor kid just needs a root.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
Well, he might not be an ‘incel’ if he stopped talking shit. And got some advice on ‘hot to not be a total arse’.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Nicholas Joseph Fuentes (born August 18, 1998) is an American white supremacist political commentator and live streamer. A former YouTuber, his channel was permanently suspended in February 2020 for violating YouTube’s hate speech policy. He holds antisemitic views and denies the Holocaust. Fuentes self-identifies as a member of the incel movement and as a supporter of authoritarian government.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
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Poor kid just needs a root.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
Well, he might not be an ‘incel’ if he stopped talking shit. And got some advice on ‘hot to not be a total arse’.
hot or not
¿
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Nicholas Joseph Fuentes (born August 18, 1998) is an American white supremacist political commentator and live streamer. A former YouTuber, his channel was permanently suspended in February 2020 for violating YouTube’s hate speech policy. He holds antisemitic views and denies the Holocaust. Fuentes self-identifies as a member of the incel movement and as a supporter of authoritarian government.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
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Poor kid just needs a root.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
Well, he might not be an ‘incel’ if he stopped talking shit. And got some advice on ‘hot to not be a total arse’.
hot or not
¿
I wouldn’t.
Kingy said:
Well that ain’t gonna fly…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
Well that ain’t gonna fly…
Comes under the heading of ‘science fiction’ i.e. an interesting idea, but not likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
Well that ain’t gonna fly…
Comes under the heading of ‘science fiction’ i.e. an interesting idea, but not likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
Would need a amendment to the constitution. Might happen after Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo.
Trump criticized for dining with far-right activist Nick Fuentes and rapper Ye
By Eugene Scott and Josh Dawsey
November 25, 2022 at 6:26 p.m. EST
Former president Donald Trump dined with far-right activist Nick Fuentes and hip-hop artist Ye at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla., earlier this week, drawing intense criticism for associating with two figures who have promoted antisemitism and hate.
Advisers to Trump privately acknowledged that the decision to host the Tuesday dinner, just one week after Trump launched his reelection bid, was a significant concern. One adviser described it as “horrible” and another as “totally awful.” They and others in Trump’s orbit spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private discussions.
David M. Friedman, who served as his ambassador to Israel, publicly took Trump to task for consorting with the troublesome pair, tweeting that the former president was “better than this.”
The private dinner is the latest example of how the former president has courted individuals with extreme or racist views. Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, recently lost billions of dollars of net worth after businesses cut ties with him for repeatedly making antisemitic remarks. Fuentes, a political commentator on YouTube, has a history of touting white nationalist ideas.
Ye posted a video Thursday to Twitter featuring far-right commentator Milo Yiannopoulos listening to the rapper recap his Tuesday meeting with Trump. The rapper, who has said he plans to run for president in 2024, said he asked Trump to be his running mate. Trump was uninterested, Ye said, but he was “really impressed” with Fuentes.
“Nick Fuentes, unlike so many of the lawyers and so many people that he was left with on his 2020 campaign, he’s actually a loyalist,” Ye, who returned to Twitter this week after a recent ban, said in the video.
Trump said he only planned to have dinner with Ye, who has repeatedly expressed his support for the former president. The rapper brought Fuentes along uninvited, Trump said.
“This past week, Kanye West called me to have dinner at Mar-a-Lago,” the former president said Friday on Truth Social. “Shortly thereafter, he unexpectedly showed up with three of his friends, whom I knew nothing about.”
“We had dinner on Tuesday evening with many members present on the back patio,” Trump added. “The dinner was quick and uneventful. They then left for the airport.”
Trump has insisted to aides since Tuesday that he did not know Fuentes, a Trump supporter active on Truth Social, the former president’s social media network, though some in his circle said they were skeptical.
Karen Giorno, a former Trump aide who ran the then-candidate’s Florida campaign in 2016 before becoming a senior adviser, said she arrived at the club in a car with Ye and Fuentes. She said she didn’t previously know Fuentes and met him earlier that day for the first time. The group came in together past security, she said.
A person familiar with the matter said Fuentes was not on the list but got in because he was a guest of the rapper.
“There is no system now that he’s not the president. If you’re on the list, you can drive up to the gate, and for someone like Kanye West, he’s going to bring his staff or other people with him in the club,” this person said. “No one is carefully checking.”
Giorno said Trump greeted the trio: Ye, Fuentes and another man who she only knew as Jamal, alone without staff or family in the foyer of the club, and “graciously” told the rapper his group should join for dinner at his customary table on the patio. They were served a traditional Thanksgiving dinner — not on the menu — with Ye getting a second helping of stuffing.
She said Trump “obviously” recognized her and the rapper, but did not seem to recognize Fuentes initially. A person familiar with the dinner said West introduced the 24-year-old as “Nick.”
Giorno said she sat to the president’s right, while the rapper sat to his left, and Fuentes and another guest, Jamal, an employee at Boeing who interested Trump with talk about plane contracts, sat across the table, she said. The rapper took pictures with many members of the club, she said.
Fuentes, host of YouTube’s “America First” show, grew up Catholic in the Chicago suburbs before dropping out of Boston University. Since then, he’s become popular with young conservatives critical of establishment Republicans for not taking hard-line positions on cultural issues. Fuentes attended the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville where a white nationalist killed an anti-racism protester, but has denied being a neo-Nazi or a white nationalist. He has expressed concern on his show about the U.S. population becoming less White, previously arguing that “dramatic and radical change” will bring “not-insignificant consequences, and not all of them good.”
Giorno said she did not hear Ye or Fuentes say anything that could be viewed as antisemitic or racist, but Fuentes did share his opinion on the former president’s reelection campaign. Trump was quickly impressed by Fuentes and peppered him with questions, Giorno said.
“He was impressed with Nick and his knowledge of Trump World,” she said. “Nick knew people and figures and speeches and rallies and what surrounded the Trump culture, particularly when it came to the base.”
And Trump wanted to talk about his campaign, including those who would run against him in 2024, his announcement speech and how he was going to win. Fuentes told Trump that he preferred when he was fiery and off-the-cuff, particularly as it related to his announcement speech, Giorno said. Trump repeatedly talked about his base and young voters, Giorno said. Another person familiar with the dinner said Trump liked Fuentes because he flattered him and encouraged his most pugilistic instincts.
“Did the president and Nick have a casual conversation about his past presidency, the announcement and style, and polling and prospects of other people coming into the primary, and what young people thought about him? Yeah they did,” Giorno said.
The casual dinner — which featured comments about celebrities, American politics and more — turned heated when Trump “started talking negatively” about Kim Kardashian, Ye’s former wife, Giorno said.
Tensions also rose when the rapper asked Trump to join his 2024 ticket as vice president, which he rejected.
A person familiar with the dinner said it was “cordial until it wasn’t.” Trump grew loud and animated, the person said. “Everyone was paying attention,” the person said.
“It was strained,” the person said, and wrapped after about two hours. “It ended cordial but tense,” the person said.
Trump’s dinner with the two men drew criticism from both Republicans and Democrats.
Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, a political group that supports Jewish Republicans, challenged the former president and other political leaders to distance themselves from Fuentes and Ye.
“We strongly condemn the virulent antisemitism of Kanye West and Nick Fuentes and call on all political leaders to reject their messages of hate and refuse to meet with them,” Brooks told The Post on Friday.
The former president “befriending” Ye and Fuentes is telling, Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-N.Y.) tweeted Friday. “Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are,” Torres wrote.
Even some of the president’s usual allies were publicly critical of the meeting, including his former ambassador to Israel.
In a tweet in which he referred to “my friend Donald Trump,” Friedman wrote: “Even a social visit from an antisemite like Kanye West and human scum like Nick Fuentes is unacceptable. I urge you to throw those bums out, disavow them and relegate them to the dustbin of history where they belong.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
In a tweet in which he referred to “my friend Donald Trump,” Friedman wrote: “Even a social visit from an antisemite like Kanye West and human scum like Nick Fuentes is unacceptable. I urge you to throw those bums out, disavow them and relegate them to the dustbin of history where they belong.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
‘Dustbin ‘is hardly an appropriate word to use.
Especially when there’s terms like ‘dung-heap’ and ‘cess-pit’ and ‘pus-bucket’ available.
captain_spalding said:
In a tweet in which he referred to “my friend Donald Trump,” Friedman wrote: “Even a social visit from an antisemite like Kanye West and human scum like Nick Fuentes is unacceptable. I urge you to throw those bums out, disavow them and relegate them to the dustbin of history where they belong.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-fuentes-ye/?
‘Dustbin ‘is hardly an appropriate word to use.
Especially when there’s terms like ‘dung-heap’ and ‘cess-pit’ and ‘pus-bucket’ available.
:) I supppose he was keeping his language polite, sine he also call him a friend.
Kingy said:
Honestly…
I think Republicans would be wise to get on Ranked Choice voting. At the moment that have two bad options: a) continue to placate the MAGA wing and never win a Presidency again because they alienate the independents, or b) kick the MAGA wing out (ie repudiate DJT) and risk a third party challenge that would split the conservative vote. Ranked choice gives them the option of cleansing themselves of MAGA while still probably hoovering up the bulk of MAGA preferences.
dv said:
Kingy said:
Honestly…
I think Republicans would be wise to get on Ranked Choice voting. At the moment that have two bad options: a) continue to placate the MAGA wing and never win a Presidency again because they alienate the independents, or b) kick the MAGA wing out (ie repudiate DJT) and risk a third party challenge that would split the conservative vote. Ranked choice gives them the option of cleansing themselves of MAGA while still probably hoovering up the bulk of MAGA preferences.
A fair proposal but you’ll need to dumb it down for the average Republican.
dv said:
Kingy said:
Honestly…
I think Republicans would be wise to get on Ranked Choice voting. At the moment that have two bad options: a) continue to placate the MAGA wing and never win a Presidency again because they alienate the independents, or b) kick the MAGA wing out (ie repudiate DJT) and risk a third party challenge that would split the conservative vote. Ranked choice gives them the option of cleansing themselves of MAGA while still probably hoovering up the bulk of MAGA preferences.
Yeah, but counting to 3 or 4 is hard work.
Kingy said:
The video said “Mar-a-Lago Debrief,” suggesting the pair met up at Trump’s Florida estate. “I came to him as someone who loves Trump, and I said, ‘Go and get Corey back. Go and get these people the media tried to cancel and told you to step away from,’” West said as the video displayed images of Roger Stone, Karen Giorno and Alex Jones.
lol
dv said:
Kingy said:
The video said “Mar-a-Lago Debrief,” suggesting the pair met up at Trump’s Florida estate. “I came to him as someone who loves Trump, and I said, ‘Go and get Corey back. Go and get these people the media tried to cancel and told you to step away from,’” West said as the video displayed images of Roger Stone, Karen Giorno and Alex Jones.
lol
“When Trump started basically screaming at me at the table telling me I was going to lose — I mean has that ever worked for anyone in history,” West said in the video. “I’m like hold on, hold on, hold on, Trump, you’re talking to Ye.”
“Why when you had the chance did you not free the January 6ers?” West said he asked Trump, referring to the people locked up for their involvement in the Capitol attack.
lol again
dv said:
dv said:
Kingy said:
The video said “Mar-a-Lago Debrief,” suggesting the pair met up at Trump’s Florida estate. “I came to him as someone who loves Trump, and I said, ‘Go and get Corey back. Go and get these people the media tried to cancel and told you to step away from,’” West said as the video displayed images of Roger Stone, Karen Giorno and Alex Jones.
lol
“When Trump started basically screaming at me at the table telling me I was going to lose — I mean has that ever worked for anyone in history,” West said in the video. “I’m like hold on, hold on, hold on, Trump, you’re talking to Ye.”
“Why when you had the chance did you not free the January 6ers?” West said he asked Trump, referring to the people locked up for their involvement in the Capitol attack.
lol again
The camp of madness.
dv said:
Kingy said:
The video said “Mar-a-Lago Debrief,” suggesting the pair met up at Trump’s Florida estate. “I came to him as someone who loves Trump, and I said, ‘Go and get Corey back. Go and get these people the media tried to cancel and told you to step away from,’” West said as the video displayed images of Roger Stone, Karen Giorno and Alex Jones.
lol
Arizona secretary of state sues after Republican officials refuse to certify county election results
Republican officials in a rural Arizona county refused on Monday to certify the results of the 2022 midterm election, despite no evidence of anything wrong with the count from earlier this month.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/28/republicans-arizona-county-refuse-to-certify-midterm-election-results
Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point
Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.”
By Jonathan Weisman
Nov. 28, 2022
For much of Donald J. Trump’s presidency, Jewish Republicans rationalized away the bigoted fringe of Mr. Trump’s coalition, arguing that the unsavory supporters in his midst and the antisemitic tropes he deployed paled in comparison with the staunchly pro-Israel policies of his administration.
But last week, Mr. Trump dined at his Palm Beach palace, Mar-a-Lago, with the performer Kanye West, who had already been denounced for making antisemitic statements, and with Nick Fuentes, an outspoken antisemite and Holocaust denier, granting the antisemitic fringe a place of honor at his table. Now, even some of Mr. Trump’s staunchest supporters say they can no longer ignore the abetting of bigotry by the nominal leader of the Republican Party.
“I am a child of survivors. I have become very frightened for my people,” Morton Klein, head of the right-wing Zionist Organization of America, said on Monday, referring to his parents’ survival of the Holocaust. “Donald Trump is not an antisemite. He loves Israel. He loves Jews. But he mainstreams, he legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters. And this scares me.”
Not all Republican leaders have spoken out, but Jewish Republicans are slowly peeling away from a former president who, for years, insisted he had no ties to the bigoted far right, but refused to repudiate it. Jewish figures and organizations that have stood by Mr. Trump, from Mr. Klein’s group to the pro-Trump commentator Ben Shapiro to Mr. Trump’s own former ambassador to Israel and onetime bankruptcy lawyer, David M. Friedman, have all spoken out since the dinner.
For Jews, the concern extends far beyond a single meal at Mar-a-Lago, though that dinner has become a touchstone, especially for Jewish Republicans.
“We have a long history in this country of separating the moral character of the man in the White House from his conduct in office, but with Trump, it’s gone beyond any of the reasonably acceptable and justifiable norms,” Jay Lefkowitz, a former adviser to President George W. Bush and a supporter of many of Mr. Trump’s policies, said on Monday.
For American Jewry, the debate since the dinner has brought into focus what may be the most discomfiting moment in U.S. history in a half-century or more.
“The normalization of antisemitism is here,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League.
On Monday afternoon, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic majority leader, went to the Senate floor to denounce Mr. Trump’s actions as “disgusting and dangerous,” then called them “pure evil.”
Mr. West, a figure with an enormous following, has espoused hatred of the Jews. The basketball star Kyrie Irving has spread antisemitic views with a tweet, though he eventually apologized. Neo-Nazis are returning to Twitter, bringing memes and coded messages not seen for years, now that its new owner, Elon Musk, has reinstated accounts that had been blocked for bigotry. Mr. Musk himself on Monday tweeted a cartoon of “Pepe” the frog, a symbol adopted by the alt-right segment of the white supremacist movement. That followed a tweet early this month of a German soldier from World War II, which was cited by white nationalist Telegram accounts as evidence of Mr. Musk’s like-mindedness.
And House Republican leaders say they will reinstate Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia, and Paul Gosar, Republican of Arizona, to committees from which they were jettisoned by Democrats in part for their antisemitic comments or associating with white supremacists like Mr. Fuentes.
“The level of antisemitism being expressed, antisemitic acts at a very elevated level, and the acceptability of antisemitism — it is all creating an environment which is, thank God, unusual for the United States, and it has to be nipped in the bud. That’s it. That’s the moment we’re in,” said Rabbi Moshe Hauer, executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, which represents the branch of Judaism that has been most supportive of Mr. Trump.
Peter Hayes, a Northwestern University historian, drew comparisons to the 1930s, when popular figures like Charles Lindbergh, Henry Ford and Father Charles Coughlin used newspapers, radio broadcasts and the speakers circuit to echo the antisemitism then taking root in Germany. American Jews were deeply divided over whether to confront Nazism head-on through protests and boycotts or to work behind the scenes out of fear of inflaming antisemitism, said Mr. Hayes, a scholar of that era.
Now, Mr. West has promised on Twitter to “go death con 3 ON JEWISH PEOPLE.” The comedian Dave Chappelle delivered a stinging monologue on “Saturday Night Live” on “the Jews” and their numbers in Hollywood. And at the same time, American Jewry is divided over whether denunciations of Mr. Trump might harm American policy toward Israel, should he return to power, Mr. Hayes said.
“The more people prioritize Israel, the more they are willing to make excuses for Trump, and that just makes me sad,” he said.
Mr. Trump tried during his presidency to keep the racists and antisemites who supported him at an arm’s distance without banishing them altogether. Many Jews accepted the sleight of hand because his policies delivered gift after gift to the right-wing Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu: moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, relentlessly pressuring the Palestinians, recognizing the annexation of the Golan Heights, scuttling the nuclear accord with Iran, pursuing peace accords between Israel and the Gulf States, and above all, dropping any pressure to dismantle Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank.
The issue nearly came to a head after the racist, antisemitic “Unite the Right” march in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017, when Mr. Trump said there had been “very fine people on both sides” of the deadly confrontation. Prominent Jewish members of his administration nearly resigned over Mr. Trump’s refusal to renounce the bigotry more forcefully.
Mr. Klein, in an interview, again defended Mr. Trump’s actions on Charlottesville, though he acknowledged being troubled by the president’s failure to clarify his “both sides” remark. Even now, Mr. Klein conceded, denouncing Mr. Trump was difficult for him. His group honored the former president at a gala on Nov. 13 for his actions on behalf of Israel, “and,” Mr. Klein said, “he deserved it.”
But Mr. Trump’s excuses for dining with Mr. Fuentes and Mr. West — that he didn’t know the white supremacist and was offering his help to the musician — have fallen short. On Monday, Senator Bill Cassidy, Republican of Louisiana, wrote on Twitter, “President Trump hosting racist antisemites for dinner encourages other racist antisemites. These attitudes are immoral and should not be entertained. This is not the Republican Party.” Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, denounced the dinner as well.
Mr. Shapiro, who came under near-constant attack in 2016 from neo-Nazi Trump supporters but stood by Mr. Trump during his presidency, also rejected the former president’s excuses: “A good way not to accidentally dine with a vile racist and anti-Semite you don’t know is not to dine with a vile racist and anti-Semite you do know,” he wrote on Twitter on Sunday.
The Orthodox Union not only called on Mr. Trump to condemn his dinner guests and cut all ties with them, but also asked “responsible leaders — especially those in the Republican Party — to speak up, as former U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman has, and be counted among those who explicitly reject antisemitism.” Quoting the Talmud, Rabbi Hauer, the group’s executive vice president, said Mr. Trump’s good deeds on Israel did not negate his bad deeds on hate, and vice versa.
“That’s what makes life complex,” he said.
Appearing on CNN on Sunday, Gov. Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, who harbors ambitions to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024, said, “I hope someday we won’t have to be responding to what former President Trump has said or done. In this instance, it’s important to respond.” He accused the former president of “empowering” the country’s bigoted extremes.
Others seem to have equivocated as they waited to see whether Mr. Trump would again weather the controversy. The Republican Jewish Coalition’s initial statement condemned Mr. Fuentes and Mr. West for their “virulent antisemitism” but did not mention the former president, instead calling “on all political leaders to reject their messages of hate and refuse to meet with them.”
Facing criticism, Matt Brooks, the group’s executive director, then followed with, “Let me dumb it down for y’all. We didn’t mention Trump in our @rjc statement even though it’s obviously in response to his meeting because we wanted it to be a warning to ALL Republicans. Duh!”
Ari Fleischer, a former press secretary under George W. Bush and a member of the Republican Jewish Coalition’s board, said he accepted Mr. Trump’s statement that he didn’t know Mr. Fuentes. But he said Mr. Trump should have added that, “had he known, Fuentes would never have been allowed into Mar-a-Lago.”
Still, Mr. Fleischer tempered his criticism of Mr. Trump with an old photo of former President Barack Obama with Louis Farrakhan, the virulently antisemitic leader of the Nation of Islam. And he added, in an email: “I should also mention that I do not consider Trump an anti-Semite and I remain appreciative of his deep support for Israel and for the four peace treaties he helped secure in the Middle East. I do consider the former president someone who mistakenly succumbs to flattery from dangerous places.”
Mike Pence, Mr. Trump’s vice president, also said Monday that he did not believe Mr. Trump was an antisemite or a racist. But he told Leland Vittert on the broadcaster NewsNation that Mr. Trump had “demonstrated profoundly poor judgment in giving those individuals a seat at the table” and that he should apologize and “denounce them without qualification.”
Many Republicans have said nothing, including Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, who aspires to become the House speaker next year, and Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, Mr. Trump’s strongest rival for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024.
Calls and emails to Jewish figures of Mr. Trump’s administration, such as former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, and to prominent Jewish Republican donors including Miriam Adelson, Lewis Eisenberg and Paul Singer, all went unanswered. Gary Cohn, a senior economic adviser who nearly quit after Charlottesville, declined to comment. Ronald Lauder, a prominent fund-raiser, issued a statement reading, “Nick Fuentes is a virulent antisemite and Holocaust denier plain and simple. It is inconceivable that anyone would associate with him.”
For his part, Mr. Trump shows no sign of contrition. His spokeswoman, Liz Harrington, told a right-wing broadcaster on Monday that Mr. Trump was “probably the most pro-Israel president we’ve ever had,” then added: “President Trump is not going to shy away from meeting with Kanye West.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/us/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-antisemitism.html?
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Ben Shapiro: “First they came for the African Americans and I said nothing because I’m a racist cunt. Then they came for the Hispanic Americans and I said nothing because I’m a racist cunt. But then they came for the Jews and I said something because I’m still a racist cunt.”
SCIENCE said:
Those mines look to be armed, and you shouldn’t get close.
There’s a ‘timed’ version of those that’s supposed to self-destruct after about two days, but they often go off much earlier or much later.
‘Appeals court orders end to special master review process in Trump documents case’
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-documents-case-appeals-court-orders-end-to-special-master-review-process/
‘Washington – A three-judge federal appeals court panel in Atlanta ruled that the special master review process that oversaw the Justice Department’s use of non-classified evidence collected earlier this year at Donald Trump’s Florida residence must end.’
The decision was unanimous, including an appeals judge appointed by Trump.
This means that the Dept of Justice investigation can go ahead just as it was doing before all this ‘special master’ bullshit popped up.
Trump can take it to the Supreme Court, but in the current political/judicial climate, he’s unlikely to have things go his way there, either.
The word ‘indictment’ is probably getting dusted off again around Washington.
Two Republican administrators in Cochise county, Arizona, are still refusing to certify the election results. Prosecutors are recommending criminal charges for them.
Cochise is a conservative county. The effect of excluding these Cochise ballots would be to flip Arizona’s 6th district from Republican to Democrat. It might also
Flip the State Superintendent race from Republican to Democrat.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2022/11/30/cochise-county-supervisors-tumble-down-arizona-election-rabbit-hole/69688148007/
dv said:
Two Republican administrators in Cochise county, Arizona, are still refusing to certify the election results. Prosecutors are recommending criminal charges for them.Cochise is a conservative county. The effect of excluding these Cochise ballots would be to flip Arizona’s 6th district from Republican to Democrat. It might also
Flip the State Superintendent race from Republican to Democrat.https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2022/11/30/cochise-county-supervisors-tumble-down-arizona-election-rabbit-hole/69688148007/
OK, read the article. Very strange behaviour.
Liberal Redneck – Kanye, Nazis, Etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMKqYp517V0
During the three-day trial this week challenging Gov. Ron DeSantis’ suspension of Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren, attorneys for Warren were able to put that question to aides for DeSantis, who called Florida the place where “woke goes to die” in his victory speech after being reelected last month.
Jean-Jacques Cabou, Warren’s attorney, noted DeSantis referred to Warren in his announcement of the suspension as a “woke ideologue” who “masqueraded” as a prosecutor. Then he asked some DeSantis officials what “woke” means to them.
“To me it means someone who believes that there are systemic injustices in the criminal justice system and on that basis they can decline to fully enforce and uphold the law,” Newman said.
Asked what “woke” means more generally, Newman said “it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”
Newman added that DeSantis doesn’t believe there are systemic injustices in the U.S. He also emphasized he believed Warren’s “wokeism” led him to sign the pledge not to prosecute abortion crimes, the primary factor that led to his suspension.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/574045-in-andrew-warren-suspension-trial-gov-desantis-officials-answer-what-does-woke-mean/
Hakeem Jeffries will be the Democrat’s new House Minority Leader, replacing Nancy Pelosi.
It’s probably a good thing that at least one of their leadership team is under 80.
Most of the news outlets have finalised their projections for the House of Reps, with some exceptions. Colorado-3 and California-13 have not been called by MSNBC. NYT has not called Colorado-3.
If the majority view is right then the final result is 222-213, which is a bit better than it was looking for Republicans in the first couple of weeks after the election. McCarthy can afford to lose 4 votes from the House Freedom Caucus and still keep the speakership.
dv said:
Most of the news outlets have finalised their projections for the House of Reps, with some exceptions. Colorado-3 and California-13 have not been called by MSNBC. NYT has not called Colorado-3.If the majority view is right then the final result is 222-213, which is a bit better than it was looking for Republicans in the first couple of weeks after the election. McCarthy can afford to lose 4 votes from the House Freedom Caucus and still keep the speakership.
The runoff for the Senate election in Georgia is today, which means we’ll see results tomorrow afternoon Aust time.
So how’s Libertarianism going these days?
I see.
supposedly
https://youtu.be/JkF0vn7ukdE
Bipartisan Electoral Count bill is about to pass Senate: will close loophole at the heart of Trump’s fake elector scheme
The former president was widely mocked for announcing he would be making a “major announcement” on Thursday, which was later revealed to be an NFT collection portraying him in guises such as a superhero, cowboy and astronaut, which could be bought for $99.
Despite this, the entire collection of 45,000 NFTs featuring Trump has been minted in around 12 hours, according to OpenSea data, with nearly 14,000 people purchasing one or more of the online tokens.
As of early Friday morning, the total Trump NFT collection currently has a value of around 460 Ethereum ($570,000).
——
So … there were 45000 sold for $99 each.
And now the total value of the collection is about $570000.
dv said:
The former president was widely mocked for announcing he would be making a “major announcement” on Thursday, which was later revealed to be an NFT collection portraying him in guises such as a superhero, cowboy and astronaut, which could be bought for $99.Despite this, the entire collection of 45,000 NFTs featuring Trump has been minted in around 12 hours, according to OpenSea data, with nearly 14,000 people purchasing one or more of the online tokens.
As of early Friday morning, the total Trump NFT collection currently has a value of around 460 Ethereum ($570,000).
——
So … there were 45000 sold for $99 each.
And now the total value of the collection is about $570000.
$4.4m minus trump tax = $570000
dv said:
The former president was widely mocked for announcing he would be making a “major announcement” on Thursday, which was later revealed to be an NFT collection portraying him in guises such as a superhero, cowboy and astronaut, which could be bought for $99.Despite this, the entire collection of 45,000 NFTs featuring Trump has been minted in around 12 hours, according to OpenSea data, with nearly 14,000 people purchasing one or more of the online tokens.
As of early Friday morning, the total Trump NFT collection currently has a value of around 460 Ethereum ($570,000).
——
So … there were 45000 sold for $99 each.
And now the total value of the collection is about $570000.
Almost as much as the cricket “memorabilia” that Tony Grieg used to flog off during his commentary stints at Ch 9 cricket.
London
CNN
—
Elon Musk’s decision to suddenly ban prominent tech journalists from Twitter is fanning a fierce backlash in Europe.
Germany warned of the impact on press freedom, while a senior EU official said Twitter must comply with the bloc’s rules or face possible sanctions.
“Freedom of the press cannot be switched on and off as you please,” Germany’s foreign ministry tweeted on Friday. “As of today these journalists are no longer able to follow us, to comment or criticize. We have a problem with that @Twitter.”
Věra Jourová, the European Commission’s vice president for values and transparency, said the “arbitrary suspension” of journalists was “worrying,” and she indicated that the company could face penalties as a result.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/tech/twitter-europe-journalist-ban/index.html
dv said:
London
CNN —
Elon Musk’s decision to suddenly ban prominent tech journalists from Twitter is fanning a fierce backlash in Europe.Germany warned of the impact on press freedom, while a senior EU official said Twitter must comply with the bloc’s rules or face possible sanctions.
“Freedom of the press cannot be switched on and off as you please,” Germany’s foreign ministry tweeted on Friday. “As of today these journalists are no longer able to follow us, to comment or criticize. We have a problem with that @Twitter.”
Věra Jourová, the European Commission’s vice president for values and transparency, said the “arbitrary suspension” of journalists was “worrying,” and she indicated that the company could face penalties as a result.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/tech/twitter-europe-journalist-ban/index.html
Whingy eurotrash politicians, who gives a fuck what they think.
Elon is a god.
fuck, how did people even breathe before spammy short message social media existed, fuck
SCIENCE said:
fuck, how did people even breathe before spammy short message social media existed, fuck
They actually used to communicate in longer sentences.
sibeen said:
dv said:
London
CNN —
Elon Musk’s decision to suddenly ban prominent tech journalists from Twitter is fanning a fierce backlash in Europe.Germany warned of the impact on press freedom, while a senior EU official said Twitter must comply with the bloc’s rules or face possible sanctions.
“Freedom of the press cannot be switched on and off as you please,” Germany’s foreign ministry tweeted on Friday. “As of today these journalists are no longer able to follow us, to comment or criticize. We have a problem with that @Twitter.”
Věra Jourová, the European Commission’s vice president for values and transparency, said the “arbitrary suspension” of journalists was “worrying,” and she indicated that the company could face penalties as a result.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/16/tech/twitter-europe-journalist-ban/index.html
Whingy eurotrash politicians, who gives a fuck what they think.
Elon is a god.
So that’s what set the bloody smoke alarm off in the early hours of the morning.
It was in emergency level irony detection mode.
dv said:
The former president was widely mocked for announcing he would be making a “major announcement” on Thursday, which was later revealed to be an NFT collection portraying him in guises such as a superhero, cowboy and astronaut, which could be bought for $99.Despite this, the entire collection of 45,000 NFTs featuring Trump has been minted in around 12 hours, according to OpenSea data, with nearly 14,000 people purchasing one or more of the online tokens.
As of early Friday morning, the total Trump NFT collection currently has a value of around 460 Ethereum ($570,000).
——
So … there were 45000 sold for $99 each.
And now the total value of the collection is about $570000.
Damn
dv said:
Damn
Maybe let a poll decide next time before he makes his next acquisition..
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Damn
Maybe let a poll decide next time before he makes his next acquisition..
He’s buying this forum
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Damn
Maybe let a poll decide next time before he makes his next acquisition..
He’s buying this forum
can they do a poll on whether he gets any bonus or severance from it, andor how much
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe let a poll decide next time before he makes his next acquisition..
He’s buying this forum
can they do a poll on whether he gets any bonus or severance from it, andor how much
He gets a copy of wookie’s manifesto
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe let a poll decide next time before he makes his next acquisition..
He’s buying this forum
can they do a poll on whether he gets any bonus or severance from it, andor how much
He should conduct polls on all his thoughts before he takes any action/s.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:Cymek said:
He’s buying this forum
can they do a poll on whether he gets any bonus or severance from it, andor how much
He should conduct polls on all his thoughts before he takes any action/s.
That’s around 70,000 polls every day.
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
They’re just jealous¡
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
oh c’m‘on who ever hated ‘dolf, he was such a nice guy and an inspiring speaker
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
The odour mostly
SCIENCE said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
oh c’m‘on who ever hated ‘dolf, he was such a nice guy and an inspiring speaker
He inspired 4,200,000 Germans to death.
Tau.Neutrino said:
SCIENCE said:Tau.Neutrino said:
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
oh c’m‘on who ever hated ‘dolf, he was such a nice guy and an inspiring speaker
He inspired 4,200,000 Germans to death.
Trump voters 74,223,975.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
he’s certainty a troll, not sure I’d put him the same category of MJG or BS though
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
he’s certainty a troll, not sure I’d put him the same category of MJG or BS though
He is more stable than those two.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
He lies about basically everything.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
he’s certainty a troll, not sure I’d put him the same category of MJG or BS though
He’s attention seeking but so are millions of others on the Internet
I personally find that behaviour annoying
He’s also not as clever as he thinks
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
He lies about basically everything.
ok.. that seems a fair critique
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
He lies about basically everything.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
😆🤣 lololol 🤣 😆
Oh, wait…you’re serious.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:There’s evidence he belongs to the far right nutcase club.
he’s certainty a troll, not sure I’d put him the same category of MJG or BS though
He’s attention seeking but so are millions of others on the Internet
I personally find that behaviour annoying
He’s also not as clever as he thinks
He also thinks he’s altruistic but people are disposable or a means to an end, like all these tech billionaires
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
😆🤣 lololol 🤣 😆
Oh, wait…you’re serious.
happy to hear your perspective
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
The odour mostly
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:he’s certainty a troll, not sure I’d put him the same category of MJG or BS though
He’s attention seeking but so are millions of others on the Internet
I personally find that behaviour annoying
He’s also not as clever as he thinks
He also thinks he’s altruistic but people are disposable or a means to an end, like all these tech billionaires
+1
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
For me, the major one is that he spread misinformation about the coronavirus and pressured his staff to break quarantine, thus threatening the lives of millions of people. Even now he is still calling for Fauci to be “prosecuted”.
He’s a bit of a habitual cunt like that in a way that goes beyond trolling, such as spreading false theories about the recent attack on Paul Pelosi, or calling Vern Unsworth a pedophile.
At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
He has shadowbanned all pro-ukrainian accounts, and removed the ability for Ukrainians to retrieve a lost account or to open new ones.
Along with lots of other things to make Ukrainian life difficult.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
He has shadowbanned all pro-ukrainian accounts, and removed the ability for Ukrainians to retrieve a lost account or to open new ones.
Along with lots of other things to make Ukrainian life difficult.
For all his posturing of future thinking he comes across as a conservative and maintaining the status quo just with him in charge.
dv said:
At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
yep, all that money and this is what he does. he acts like he is bored.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Damn
I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
For me, the major one is that he spread misinformation about the coronavirus and pressured his staff to break quarantine, thus threatening the lives of millions of people. Even now he is still calling for Fauci to be “prosecuted”.
He’s a bit of a habitual cunt like that in a way that goes beyond trolling, such as spreading false theories about the recent attack on Paul Pelosi, or calling Vern Unsworth a pedophile.At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
I don’t have a twitter account and I can’t say I’ve followed his views at all..
At the end of the day I guess he, or indeed any business owner, is free to run their businesses however they like and people are equally free to vote with their feet, which is what I expect will happen in this instance.
diddly-squat said:
kii said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
😆🤣 lololol 🤣 😆
Oh, wait…you’re serious.
happy to hear your perspective
Tell us why you like him.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
yep, all that money and this is what he does. he acts like he is bored.
he probably is
I dealt with the company Tesla on a professional basis over a two year period on a fairly large project. They were incompetent. They promised the world and failed at every hurdle. The project eventually died as they just could get it to work. About 4 million dollars was wasted. Although, I really should be singing the companies praises. I was brought in, as an external consultant, for a three month job. This one just kept on giving and giving, making for a few very lucrative years.
sibeen said:
I dealt with the company Tesla on a professional basis over a two year period on a fairly large project. They were incompetent. They promised the world and failed at every hurdle. The project eventually died as they just could get it to work. About 4 million dollars was wasted. Although, I really should be singing the companies praises. I was brought in, as an external consultant, for a three month job. This one just kept on giving and giving, making for a few very lucrative years.
>insert a ‘not’ into the third sentence.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
For me, the major one is that he spread misinformation about the coronavirus and pressured his staff to break quarantine, thus threatening the lives of millions of people. Even now he is still calling for Fauci to be “prosecuted”.
He’s a bit of a habitual cunt like that in a way that goes beyond trolling, such as spreading false theories about the recent attack on Paul Pelosi, or calling Vern Unsworth a pedophile.At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
I don’t have a twitter account and I can’t say I’ve followed his views at all..
At the end of the day I guess he, or indeed any business owner, is free to run their businesses however they like and people are equally free to vote with their feet, which is what I expect will happen in this instance.
Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
kii said:😆🤣 lololol 🤣 😆
Oh, wait…you’re serious.
happy to hear your perspective
Tell us why you like him.
I didn’t say that I did, I just said that I don’t understand why people seem to dislike him.
sibeen said:
I dealt with the company Tesla on a professional basis over a two year period on a fairly large project. They were incompetent. They promised the world and failed at every hurdle. The project eventually died as they just could get it to work. About 4 million dollars was wasted. Although, I really should be singing the companies praises. I was brought in, as an external consultant, for a three month job. This one just kept on giving and giving, making for a few very lucrative years.
Some of what seems promised is way above our current technological level, decades into the future perhaps
Too much science fiction which if it works could be good but that’s a big maybe.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I dealt with the company Tesla on a professional basis over a two year period on a fairly large project. They were incompetent. They promised the world and failed at every hurdle. The project eventually died as they just could get it to work. About 4 million dollars was wasted. Although, I really should be singing the companies praises. I was brought in, as an external consultant, for a three month job. This one just kept on giving and giving, making for a few very lucrative years.>insert a ‘not’ into the third sentence.
In relation to power storage?
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:For me, the major one is that he spread misinformation about the coronavirus and pressured his staff to break quarantine, thus threatening the lives of millions of people. Even now he is still calling for Fauci to be “prosecuted”.
He’s a bit of a habitual cunt like that in a way that goes beyond trolling, such as spreading false theories about the recent attack on Paul Pelosi, or calling Vern Unsworth a pedophile.At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
I don’t have a twitter account and I can’t say I’ve followed his views at all..
At the end of the day I guess he, or indeed any business owner, is free to run their businesses however they like and people are equally free to vote with their feet, which is what I expect will happen in this instance.
Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
It’s a lot of money to mess with something that appears to work and impose your ideals on it which seem to be promote the arseholes of the world and demote those in need.
I mean wouldn’t you ban the arrogant dickheads just to give them a taste of what its like to not have power
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:For me, the major one is that he spread misinformation about the coronavirus and pressured his staff to break quarantine, thus threatening the lives of millions of people. Even now he is still calling for Fauci to be “prosecuted”.
He’s a bit of a habitual cunt like that in a way that goes beyond trolling, such as spreading false theories about the recent attack on Paul Pelosi, or calling Vern Unsworth a pedophile.At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
I don’t have a twitter account and I can’t say I’ve followed his views at all..
At the end of the day I guess he, or indeed any business owner, is free to run their businesses however they like and people are equally free to vote with their feet, which is what I expect will happen in this instance.
Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
I’m not suggesting he’s free from criticism.. far from it… in my mind it’s a two way street.. that is, it’s his business so he’s free to do what he wants (within the limits of the legislative jurisdiction he operates within), but equally people are also free to call him out for whatever they want (within the limits of the legislative jurisdictions they live in).
Like I said I don’t really understand much of the background context because I’ve had virtually no interest in, specifically, him or his politics.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I dealt with the company Tesla on a professional basis over a two year period on a fairly large project. They were incompetent. They promised the world and failed at every hurdle. The project eventually died as they just could get it to work. About 4 million dollars was wasted. Although, I really should be singing the companies praises. I was brought in, as an external consultant, for a three month job. This one just kept on giving and giving, making for a few very lucrative years.>insert a ‘not’ into the third sentence.
In relation to power storage?
Yes. Trying to do a large battery storage system with the added complexity that it had to operate in a grid connect mode and then transfer to an islanded system after a main fail.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/the-foundations-of-elon-musk-s-digital-town-square-are-wobbling-20221219-p5c7c0.htm
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:>insert a ‘not’ into the third sentence.
In relation to power storage?
Yes. Trying to do a large battery storage system with the added complexity that it had to operate in a grid connect mode and then transfer to an islanded system after a main fail.
over-promising and under-delivering hardly makes Tesla unique though…
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
dv said:In relation to power storage?
Yes. Trying to do a large battery storage system with the added complexity that it had to operate in a grid connect mode and then transfer to an islanded system after a main fail.
over-promising and under-delivering hardly makes Tesla unique though…
Where under-delivering = the shit don’t work :)
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t really understand the dislike of Elon
For me, the major one is that he spread misinformation about the coronavirus and pressured his staff to break quarantine, thus threatening the lives of millions of people. Even now he is still calling for Fauci to be “prosecuted”.
He’s a bit of a habitual cunt like that in a way that goes beyond trolling, such as spreading false theories about the recent attack on Paul Pelosi, or calling Vern Unsworth a pedophile.At the moment though my main reaction is not one of hatred but just smh and lol at how bad he is at Twitter, and wondering why he bothered with all this.
ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
LOL, democracy is the worst system but for all the others that people know about, except the others they don’t
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
I don’t have a twitter account and I can’t say I’ve followed his views at all..
At the end of the day I guess he, or indeed any business owner, is free to run their businesses however they like and people are equally free to vote with their feet, which is what I expect will happen in this instance.
Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
I’m not suggesting he’s free from criticism.. far from it… in my mind it’s a two way street.. that is, it’s his business so he’s free to do what he wants (within the limits of the legislative jurisdiction he operates within), but equally people are also free to call him out for whatever they want (within the limits of the legislative jurisdictions they live in).
Like I said I don’t really understand much of the background context because I’ve had virtually no interest in, specifically, him or his politics.
I’m happy to admit that he’s facilitated some possibly great developments with Spacex and Tesla.
I think the other thing is that I find his decisions hard to relate to. A year ago he had a net worth of third of a trillion dollars. Imagine the things you do with that kind of clout. You could change the world. I realise he can’t just liquidate that value on short notice but god damn.
Instead he mucks into social media, an icky and unprofitable business, just so he can unban who were spreading dangerous misinformation and make himself look like a dill who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Cymek said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:ok thanks.. I didn’t know about any of that..
I don’t have a twitter account and I can’t say I’ve followed his views at all..
At the end of the day I guess he, or indeed any business owner, is free to run their businesses however they like and people are equally free to vote with their feet, which is what I expect will happen in this instance.
Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
It’s a lot of money to mess with something that appears to work and impose your ideals on it which seem to be promote the arseholes of the world and demote those in need.
I mean wouldn’t you ban the arrogant dickheads just to give them a taste of what its like to not have power
yeah but you know how he brought the ensuite into Twitter head office and turned the place into a bunch of bedrooms, obviously what consenting adults get up to in the bedroom is none of anyone’s business so
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
I’m not suggesting he’s free from criticism.. far from it… in my mind it’s a two way street.. that is, it’s his business so he’s free to do what he wants (within the limits of the legislative jurisdiction he operates within), but equally people are also free to call him out for whatever they want (within the limits of the legislative jurisdictions they live in).
Like I said I don’t really understand much of the background context because I’ve had virtually no interest in, specifically, him or his politics.
I’m happy to admit that he’s facilitated some possibly great developments with Spacex and Tesla.
I think the other thing is that I find his decisions hard to relate to. A year ago he had a net worth of third of a trillion dollars. Imagine the things you do with that kind of clout. You could change the world. I realise he can’t just liquidate that value on short notice but god damn.Instead he mucks into social media, an icky and unprofitable business, just so he can unban who were spreading dangerous misinformation and make himself look like a dill who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I suppose to become that rich you’d have to have exploited large numbers of people and trod on a lot of toes and obviously don’t care too much as you are rich.
Your mindset is one of continuing it even if your projects seem to be about helping the human race.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
I’m not suggesting he’s free from criticism.. far from it… in my mind it’s a two way street.. that is, it’s his business so he’s free to do what he wants (within the limits of the legislative jurisdiction he operates within), but equally people are also free to call him out for whatever they want (within the limits of the legislative jurisdictions they live in).
Like I said I don’t really understand much of the background context because I’ve had virtually no interest in, specifically, him or his politics.
I’m happy to admit that he’s facilitated some possibly great developments with Spacex and Tesla.
I think the other thing is that I find his decisions hard to relate to. A year ago he had a net worth of third of a trillion dollars. Imagine the things you do with that kind of clout. You could change the world. I realise he can’t just liquidate that value on short notice but god damn.Instead he mucks into social media, an icky and unprofitable business, just so he can unban who were spreading dangerous misinformation and make himself look like a dill who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I suppose to become that rich you’d have to have exploited large numbers of people and trod on a lot of toes and obviously don’t care too much as you are rich.
Your mindset is one of continuing it even if your projects seem to be about helping the human race.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
I’m not suggesting he’s free from criticism.. far from it… in my mind it’s a two way street.. that is, it’s his business so he’s free to do what he wants (within the limits of the legislative jurisdiction he operates within), but equally people are also free to call him out for whatever they want (within the limits of the legislative jurisdictions they live in).
Like I said I don’t really understand much of the background context because I’ve had virtually no interest in, specifically, him or his politics.
I’m happy to admit that he’s facilitated some possibly great developments with Spacex and Tesla.
I think the other thing is that I find his decisions hard to relate to. A year ago he had a net worth of third of a trillion dollars. Imagine the things you do with that kind of clout. You could change the world. I realise he can’t just liquidate that value on short notice but god damn.Instead he mucks into social media, an icky and unprofitable business, just so he can unban who were spreading dangerous misinformation and make himself look like a dill who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
unrelatable seems a good analogy.. I mean I’d like to think that if I were worth as much as him that I’d try to turn my hand to something that would improve people’s lives, but equally many CEOs have psychopathic tendencies so I’m not at all surprised when someone this wealthy does something completely self interested.
dv said:
Damn
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/18/tech/elon-musk-twitter-ceo-poll/index.html
You’re a poopy head!
55.85
SCIENCE said:
55.85
not many people know that.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Well that’s kind of what has happened with his advertisers…
OTOH … the fact that he’s a business owner free to run his business isn’t a cover from criticism. I may be misreading your tone but it seems to be “He owns Twitter so y’all stop criticising the things he is doing with this powerful platform.”
I’m not suggesting he’s free from criticism.. far from it… in my mind it’s a two way street.. that is, it’s his business so he’s free to do what he wants (within the limits of the legislative jurisdiction he operates within), but equally people are also free to call him out for whatever they want (within the limits of the legislative jurisdictions they live in).
Like I said I don’t really understand much of the background context because I’ve had virtually no interest in, specifically, him or his politics.
I’m happy to admit that he’s facilitated some possibly great developments with Spacex and Tesla.
I think the other thing is that I find his decisions hard to relate to. A year ago he had a net worth of third of a trillion dollars. Imagine the things you do with that kind of clout. You could change the world. I realise he can’t just liquidate that value on short notice but god damn.Instead he mucks into social media, an icky and unprofitable business, just so he can unban who were spreading dangerous misinformation and make himself look like a dill who doesn’t know what he’s doing.
It does look like a conundrum.
Terrorism Exports Are Good
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/gunman-kills-five-in-toronto-shooting/101789986
Canadians are nervous about anything that might indicate they are moving closer to US experiences with gun violence.
SCIENCE said:
Terrorism Exports Are Good
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/gunman-kills-five-in-toronto-shooting/101789986
Canadians are nervous about anything that might indicate they are moving closer to US experiences with gun violence.
Well they do carry guns.
dv said:
oh
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
oh
In other news, Tesla cars will immediately crash into the nearest solid object and catch on fire if any of the occupants mention a rival car company.
The ayes have it.
roughbarked said:
We believe that this evidence we set forth in our report is more than sufficient for a criminal referral of former President Donald J. Trump and others,The ayes have it.
Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
We believe that this evidence we set forth in our report is more than sufficient for a criminal referral of former President Donald J. Trump and others,The ayes have it.
Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
We believe that this evidence we set forth in our report is more than sufficient for a criminal referral of former President Donald J. Trump and others,The ayes have it.
Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
I don’t think Biden will pardon him.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
I don’t think Biden will pardon him.
Meanwhile stalling until the republicans can rescue him..
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
I don’t think Biden will pardon him.
Meanwhile stalling until the republicans can rescue him..
Stubborn lot the republicans, most have lost their observational and thinking skills to know what is really happening around them.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I don’t think Biden will pardon him.
Meanwhile stalling until the republicans can rescue him..
Stubborn lot the republicans, most have lost their observational and thinking skills to know what is really happening around them.
You’d think they would all be distancing but so many are like Jan 6? Na. never happened.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:Meanwhile stalling until the republicans can rescue him..
Stubborn lot the republicans, most have lost their observational and thinking skills to know what is really happening around them.
You’d think they would all be distancing but so many are like Jan 6? Na. never happened.
A bit like some of the insurrectionists who thought they could just go home on the plane and bus on Jan 6 like nothing had happened and all would be well.
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
We believe that this evidence we set forth in our report is more than sufficient for a criminal referral of former President Donald J. Trump and others,The ayes have it.
Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
proving charges like that in a court of law is likely to be incredibly difficult
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
proving charges like that in a court of law is likely to be incredibly difficult
If he’s heavier than a duck it’s not.
The U.S. Poverty Rate Hit A Record Low — But Don’t Expect It To Stay That Way
One of the most important numbers of the year that you might not have heard of is 7.8 percent. That’s the share of Americans who were living in poverty in 2021, according to the most recent supplemental poverty rate, which was released by the U.S. Census Bureau in September of 2022
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-poverty-rate-hit-record-110027644.html
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
proving charges like that in a court of law is likely to be incredibly difficult
It’s not even clear at this point that the DOJ will charge him.
If you need the up to day reports you can watch some of the TV stations in real time here.
https://www.newslive.com/american/msnbc.html
Peak Warming Man said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
proving charges like that in a court of law is likely to be incredibly difficult
If he’s heavier than a duck it’s not.
According to the Jan 6 committee video they have evidence for criminal prosecution on a number of different fronts.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Throw them in jail.
Keep DT in jail until he concedes his election loss.
I’m going to be really pissed if he is pardonned.
proving charges like that in a court of law is likely to be incredibly difficult
Explaining the criminal charges January 6 committee recommended for Trump
Obstruction of an official proceeding
This statute makes it a crime to “corruptly” obstruct, influence, or impede, any official proceeding, or to attempt to do so.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States
This crime entails “two or more persons conspiring either to commit any offence against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof”.
Conspiracy to make a false statement
This statue makes it a crime for a government official to cover up a scheme, make materially false statements, or issue false statements or documents with the knowledge the information isn’t true.
Insurrection
This crime relates to inciting, assisting, or engaging “in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States.” The committee argued that Mr Trump encouraged his supporters to come to Washington and cause havoc, and as the attack was going on, failed to take appropriate action to end the violence.
more…
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/19/george-santos-new-york-republican-resume
A news report on Monday questioned whether the career résumé of the incoming Republican congressman George Santos – who was elected last month to serve a typically Democrat suburban district north-east of New York City – may be largely fictional.
Where were these investigative journalists before the election?
Dark Orange said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/19/george-santos-new-york-republican-resumeA news report on Monday questioned whether the career résumé of the incoming Republican congressman George Santos – who was elected last month to serve a typically Democrat suburban district north-east of New York City – may be largely fictional.Where were these investigative journalists before the election?
That is a very good question. We could as the same question about Australian journalists and Covid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKb1tMsc4NM
ms spock said:
Dark Orange said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/19/george-santos-new-york-republican-resumeA news report on Monday questioned whether the career résumé of the incoming Republican congressman George Santos – who was elected last month to serve a typically Democrat suburban district north-east of New York City – may be largely fictional.Where were these investigative journalists before the election?
That is a very good question. We could as the same question about Australian journalists and Covid.
^
worldwide journalists
SCIENCE said:
ms spock said:
Dark Orange said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/19/george-santos-new-york-republican-resumeA news report on Monday questioned whether the career résumé of the incoming Republican congressman George Santos – who was elected last month to serve a typically Democrat suburban district north-east of New York City – may be largely fictional.Where were these investigative journalists before the election?
That is a very good question. We could as the same question about Australian journalists and Covid.
^
worldwide journalists
Other countries had very different reporting from Australia.
revisit
https://twitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1613508295855144961
SCIENCE said:
https://twitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1613508295855144961
Exactly this.
A New York judge sentences Donald Trump’s namesake real estate company to pay a $2.31 million criminal penalty after it was convicted of scheming to defraud tax authorities for 15 years. Link
captain_spalding said:
better be careful with them there humours or you’ll get binned like the dv
SCIENCE said:
https://twitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1613508295855144961
Ha!
Trump warns GOP about efforts to cut Social Security, Medicare
By John Wagner
Updated January 20, 2023 at 2:08 p.m. EST|Published January 20, 2023 at 10:53 a.m. EST
Former president Donald Trump issued a warning to his party Friday to avoid cuts to Medicare and Social Security, putting him at odds with prominent House Republicans who are pushing for major reductions in the entitlement programs and array of others in exchange for raising the nation’s debt limit.
“Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security,” Trump said in a video message distributed by his 2024 presidential campaign, which runs more than two minutes.
“While we absolutely need to stop Biden’s out-of-control spending, the pain should be borne by Washington bureaucrats, not by hard-working American families and American seniors,” Trump said. “Cut waste, fraud and abuse everywhere that we can find it and there is plenty there’s plenty of it. But do not cut the benefits our seniors worked for and paid for their entire lives. Save Social Security, don’t destroy it.”
Trump also suggested cuts to foreign aid, “left wing gender programs from our military,” and “billions being spent on climate extremism.”
Trump’s message comes as newly emboldened House Republicans are trying to leverage the standoff over the debt limit to extract major spending cuts, insisting that previous Congresses and administrations have spent too much on social programs. Some GOP lawmakers have raised the prospect of seeking changes to popular entitlement programs, including Social Security and Medicare.
Contrary to Trump’s claims, the national deficit grew substantially during his tenure, in part due to tax cuts passed in 2017 at his urging by the Republican-led Congress. In fact, the national debt rose by nearly $7.8 trillion while Trump was in office.
Republicans, including House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), voted to raise the debt ceiling three times during Trump’s tenure without insisting on spending cuts in return. The GOP demand for cuts — and threats of a debt default — have occurred when a Democrat is in the White House, such as Barack Obama in 2011 and President Biden now.
On Thursday, the administration began “extraordinary measures” to prevent the federal government from breaching its debt limit. Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen told lawmakers that officials will alter certain federal investments to preserve the nation’s credit until summer — largely through technical moves that will buy lawmakers time to pass legislation raising the limit.
House Republicans prepare emergency plan for breaching debt limit
The White House has repeatedly warned against Congress turning the debt ceiling negotiations into “a hostage situation” and also hammered Republicans for suggesting changes to Medicare and Social Security.
“This is something that needs to be dealt with. We’re talking about jobs, we’re talking about seniors, we’re talking about veterans. We’re talking about real-life potential issues that could affect Americans across the country,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Friday. “MAGA Republicans in the House want to cut Social Security or they want to cut Medicare. … That should not be where we are right now. We should not be moving forward in conversations about the debt ceiling in that way.”
Last year’s midterm elections underscored the political peril of advocating, or even the appearance of advocating, cuts to popular entitlement programs.
Democrats, including Biden, seized on a plan issued by Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) that called for requiring all legislation to be renewed every five years — or wiped off the books. Democrats stressed that Social Security and Medicare were created by legislation.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and other leading Republicans rapidly distanced themselves from Scott’s plan.
At event after event, Biden accused Republicans of wanting to put the two programs “on the chopping block,” pointing to Scott’s plan, even though it made no explicit call to cut Medicare or Social Security.
During the 2016 campaign, Trump was critical of then-Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nominee, for pushing for changes to Medicare and Social Security.
In fact, Trump seemed to blame Mitt Romney’s loss in the 2012 presidential election on his running mate. Trump said that Romney was hurt by Ryan’s previous calls to change Social Security and other entitlement programs for the elderly.
“That was the end of that campaign, by the way, when they chose Ryan,” Trump said in February 2016. “And I like him. He’s a nice person, but that was the end of the campaign.”
Shortly after Republican nominee Romney picked Ryan as his running mate, the progressive policy group Agenda Project Action Fund ran an ad attacking Ryan’s stance on Medicare that showed an elderly woman in a wheelchair being thrown off a cliff by a man in a dark suit. The message on the screen: “Mitt Romney made his choice. … Now you have to make yours.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/20/trump-house-republicans-social-security-medicare/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Trump warns GOP about efforts to cut Social Security, MedicareBy John Wagner
Updated January 20, 2023 at 2:08 p.m. EST|Published January 20, 2023 at 10:53 a.m. ESTFormer president Donald Trump issued a warning to his party Friday to avoid cuts to Medicare and Social Security, putting him at odds with prominent House Republicans who are pushing for major reductions in the entitlement programs and array of others in exchange for raising the nation’s debt limit.
“Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security,” Trump said in a video message distributed by his 2024 presidential campaign, which runs more than two minutes.
“While we absolutely need to stop Biden’s out-of-control spending, the pain should be borne by Washington bureaucrats, not by hard-working American families and American seniors,” Trump said. “Cut waste, fraud and abuse everywhere that we can find it and there is plenty there’s plenty of it. But do not cut the benefits our seniors worked for and paid for their entire lives. Save Social Security, don’t destroy it.”
Trump also suggested cuts to foreign aid, “left wing gender programs from our military,” and “billions being spent on climate extremism.”
Trump’s message comes as newly emboldened House Republicans are trying to leverage the standoff over the debt limit to extract major spending cuts, insisting that previous Congresses and administrations have spent too much on social programs. Some GOP lawmakers have raised the prospect of seeking changes to popular entitlement programs, including Social Security and Medicare.
Contrary to Trump’s claims, the national deficit grew substantially during his tenure, in part due to tax cuts passed in 2017 at his urging by the Republican-led Congress. In fact, the national debt rose by nearly $7.8 trillion while Trump was in office.
Republicans, including House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), voted to raise the debt ceiling three times during Trump’s tenure without insisting on spending cuts in return. The GOP demand for cuts — and threats of a debt default — have occurred when a Democrat is in the White House, such as Barack Obama in 2011 and President Biden now.
On Thursday, the administration began “extraordinary measures” to prevent the federal government from breaching its debt limit. Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen told lawmakers that officials will alter certain federal investments to preserve the nation’s credit until summer — largely through technical moves that will buy lawmakers time to pass legislation raising the limit.
House Republicans prepare emergency plan for breaching debt limit
The White House has repeatedly warned against Congress turning the debt ceiling negotiations into “a hostage situation” and also hammered Republicans for suggesting changes to Medicare and Social Security.
“This is something that needs to be dealt with. We’re talking about jobs, we’re talking about seniors, we’re talking about veterans. We’re talking about real-life potential issues that could affect Americans across the country,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Friday. “MAGA Republicans in the House want to cut Social Security or they want to cut Medicare. … That should not be where we are right now. We should not be moving forward in conversations about the debt ceiling in that way.”
Last year’s midterm elections underscored the political peril of advocating, or even the appearance of advocating, cuts to popular entitlement programs.
Democrats, including Biden, seized on a plan issued by Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) that called for requiring all legislation to be renewed every five years — or wiped off the books. Democrats stressed that Social Security and Medicare were created by legislation.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and other leading Republicans rapidly distanced themselves from Scott’s plan.
At event after event, Biden accused Republicans of wanting to put the two programs “on the chopping block,” pointing to Scott’s plan, even though it made no explicit call to cut Medicare or Social Security.
During the 2016 campaign, Trump was critical of then-Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nominee, for pushing for changes to Medicare and Social Security.
In fact, Trump seemed to blame Mitt Romney’s loss in the 2012 presidential election on his running mate. Trump said that Romney was hurt by Ryan’s previous calls to change Social Security and other entitlement programs for the elderly.
“That was the end of that campaign, by the way, when they chose Ryan,” Trump said in February 2016. “And I like him. He’s a nice person, but that was the end of the campaign.”
Shortly after Republican nominee Romney picked Ryan as his running mate, the progressive policy group Agenda Project Action Fund ran an ad attacking Ryan’s stance on Medicare that showed an elderly woman in a wheelchair being thrown off a cliff by a man in a dark suit. The message on the screen: “Mitt Romney made his choice. … Now you have to make yours.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/20/trump-house-republicans-social-security-medicare/?
Both Trump and Biden will look after the elderly.
