Date: 21/01/2022 19:02:02
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1838958
Subject: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Another example that we just do not understand the Australian environment.


Experts estimate that feral cats kill up to 2 billion native Australian animals every year.

>>Releasing feral and stray cats into the wild is banned in most of Australia, but in the ACT a program called trap, neuter, return (TNR) is placing them back onto the streets.

Under the practice of TNR, wild cats are trapped, desexed and then released onto the streets to live in “cat colonies”.

In the ACT, those colonies exist in the industrial suburbs of Fyshwick, Hume and Mitchell and are tended to by the Canberra Street Cat Alliance (CSCA), a volunteer organisation.

In every other state and territory, various laws, including biodiversity acts, make it illegal to release an invasive species — like a cat — back into the environment. But the ACT allows TNR.

Environmental experts say the practice is in stark contrast to the ACT’s attempts to protect native species through its cat-containment laws, which will come into effect in July and require all new cats to be kept indoors or on a leash.

But the CSCA says TNR can “humanely” address Canberra’s population of street cats and cat-containment laws alone will not reduce the number of cats living on the streets.

Cats hunt an estimated 2 billion animals each year in Australia: expert
Gillian Basnett is the national feral cat and fox management coordinator at the Centre for Invasive Species Solutions. She said the damage cats caused to native wildlife far outweighed the benefits of releasing them onto the streets.

“Cats, whether they’re in urban areas or in bushland … they’ll hunt hundreds of animals every night,” she said.

“With populations of an estimated 2.1 million feral cats across Australia that ends up being almost 2 billion animals every year hunted by cats.”

Ms Basnett said re-releasing stray cats into cat colonies in industrial suburbs did not mitigate the potential damage to wildlife.

“We often forget just how much native wildlife is in our urban area, whether that’s in gardens or in urban reserves and that can include threatened species,” she said.

“There’s actually a whole suite of threatened species that are either found in our towns and urban areas or only remain in our urban areas but can be impacted by cats.”

Ms Basnett said cats were not deterred from hunting even when food was available.

“They’re just so well adapted that they do tend to just hunt even when they’re not hungry,” she said.

“We need to stop feeding unwanted cats, whether that’s deliberate feeding of cat colonies or a stray cat that might come around to your property every now and then … we need to eliminate that.”

But the CSCA said in a statement that it had evidence of cats in the ACT’s colonies “sharing” their food with native wildlife.

“Footage taken within the colonies has shown the cats to be sharing food bowls with wildlife such as birds and even a blue-tongue lizard,” the group said.

“Footage has also shown the cats to be frightened of birds flying down to the cats’ feeding area.”

The CSCA also said that as the cat colonies in the ACT were in industrial areas, they did “not have the volume of wildlife seen in residential areas”.

‘Dangerous and short-sighted’
John Read, an ecologist who specialises in feral cat management, agreed with Ms Basnett, warning that while TNR sounded like a good long-term approach, it was unlikely to reduce the numbers of wild cats over time.

“Trap, neuter, return appears to be a nice way of managing cats without euthanising them, but most research that’s been done around the world suggests that it’s not very effective at all,” Mr Read said.

He said he hoped that cats would soon start to be managed the same way as dogs.

“Just 50 years ago, dogs roamed the streets, they weren’t registered and they caused a lot of problems. And now cats are doing that,” Mr Read said.

“We understand as a community that we need to manage our dogs. Cats should be exactly the same.

“Cats should be registered, just like dogs are, they should be contained, just like dogs are.”

Mr Read also said that aside from posing a threat to native wildlife, feral cats also posed a threat to human wellbeing.

“There’s some cat-borne diseases, such as toxoplasmosis, which costs the Australian health budget approximately $6 billion a year. That would be wiped out totally if all cats were contained and kept indoors,” Mr Read said.

“It’s at multiple levels that TNR is counterproductive. It sounds good to idealists, but in reality it’s a really dangerous and short-sighted approach.”

The CSCA said it decided to operate TNR in the ACT in 2014, based on studies conducted overseas, as there had been limited research into the program’s effectiveness in Australia.

But the group said a current five-year study underway in Queensland looked promising and results from the study’s first phase showed a decrease in the intake of cats to animal shelters in the region.

The CSCA said that, in Canberra’s largest cat colony, it had been able to rehome 33 of the 51 cats and kittens, and returned 18 cats after being desexed. The group said that, in the year since, there had been no new cats within the colony.

Quality of life for street cats not worth re-releasing them
The RSPCA’s ACT chief executive, Michelle Robertson, said there were legitimate concerns for the welfare of street cats, but it was “very difficult for RSPCA to endorse TNR as an effective strategy as part of cat management”.

“The animal welfare component of TNR has a number of factors that we are very concerned about; high morbidity and mortality rates in kittens, a lot of cats in colonies are killed because of motor vehicle accidents, there are high incidents of infectious disease,” she said.

“I would like to see happy, healthy, loved, contained pet cats and happy and healthy populations of our native wildlife that’s able to survive and thrive in our urban and non-urban landscapes. This can’t be done with TNR programs.”

Ms Robertson said there were more “efficient and viable strategies available” to manage stray cat populations, including “humane euthanasia”, as well as ensuring all pet cats were desexed and vaccinated.

But the CSCA said the volunteer group, which also runs an adoption program, prided itself on being a “no-kill” organisation and it did not believe in the euthanasia of “healthy cats”.

Government to consult cat rescue organisations ahead of new laws
In a statement, the ACT government confirmed TNR programs were not banned in the territory and said the government would work with cat rescue organisations, such as the CSCA, to determine how those programs would work under new legislation coming into effect from July.

Environment Minister Rebecca Vassarotti said the groups running TNR programs had been doing “really important work” and the government would consult with them in the coming months.

“We will be working with organisations about how we transition from programs that currently are operating and how they might fit into that strategy,” she said.

Ms Vassarotti said the government’s aim was to “support responsible pet ownership” and “reduce the number of nuisance and roaming cats”.

“We are working really closely with the animal rescue organisations that do programs such as trap, neuter, return in terms of how their strategies can be adapted,” she said.

The CSCA told the ABC that it would apply for an exemption to the new laws.

CSCA will be applying for an exemption to the cat-containment laws within the industrial zones of the Canberra region, which will allow us to continue to conduct our TNR operations,” the group said.

The alliance said cat containment alone would not reduce the number of cats living on Canberra’s streets. It said a successful cat-management strategy needed four factors: TNR, adoption programs, desexing and containment for owned cats.

“In the perfect world, every cat would be living a blissful domestic life, safely contained to prevent accident and injury,” the group said.

CSCA believe TNR is a crucial aspect of any cat-management plan.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/act-the-only-australian-jurisdiction-where-cat-management-program-trap-neuter-return-is-legal/ar-AASZ332?ocid=msedgntp

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Date: 21/01/2022 19:03:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 1838960
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Yeah. That’s just fucked.

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Date: 21/01/2022 19:03:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1838961
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Seems mad.

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Date: 21/01/2022 19:11:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1838971
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

We’ve had cat neutering for pet cats in cities here (eg. Melbourne) for ages.

Only registered breeders are allowed to have un-neutered cats.

Stray cats caught by Melbourne vets are always neutered before being passed on to new owners.

It hasn’t stopped the increase in the cat population and I really don’t know why.

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Date: 21/01/2022 19:14:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1838978
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Bubblecar said:


Seems mad.

Yeah, seems so. It is quite an effort to catch / trap feral cats in the first place. Only to just let them go again just seems madness. I am sure there is a humane way of killing them instead.

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Date: 21/01/2022 19:17:36
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1838982
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

mollwollfumble said:


We’ve had cat neutering for pet cats in cities here (eg. Melbourne) for ages.

Only registered breeders are allowed to have un-neutered cats.

Stray cats caught by Melbourne vets are always neutered before being passed on to new owners.

It hasn’t stopped the increase in the cat population and I really don’t know why.

Have you ever tried to pet a feral cat? They do not make good pets.

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Date: 21/01/2022 22:10:35
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1839070
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

We’ve had cat neutering for pet cats in cities here (eg. Melbourne) for ages.

Only registered breeders are allowed to have un-neutered cats.

Stray cats caught by Melbourne vets are always neutered before being passed on to new owners.

It hasn’t stopped the increase in the cat population and I really don’t know why.

Have you ever tried to pet a feral cat? They do not make good pets.

Just returned from walking the dogs and found on the track a dead honey possum, obviously killed by a cat that had played with it before killing it and then leaving it for the ants. Just be a matter of time before the cat comes around my place where I can with great satisfaction kill it, and I don’t care how I do it as long as I get the bloody thing.

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Date: 21/01/2022 22:42:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839085
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

PermeateFree said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

We’ve had cat neutering for pet cats in cities here (eg. Melbourne) for ages.

Only registered breeders are allowed to have un-neutered cats.

Stray cats caught by Melbourne vets are always neutered before being passed on to new owners.

It hasn’t stopped the increase in the cat population and I really don’t know why.

Have you ever tried to pet a feral cat? They do not make good pets.

Just returned from walking the dogs and found on the track a dead honey possum, obviously killed by a cat that had played with it before killing it and then leaving it for the ants. Just be a matter of time before the cat comes around my place where I can with great satisfaction kill it, and I don’t care how I do it as long as I get the bloody thing.

Why would one worry about being humane with a cat that destroys all within the habitat surrounding you.

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Date: 22/01/2022 01:23:31
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839107
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

PermeateFree said:


Another example that we just do not understand the Australian environment.


Experts estimate that feral cats kill up to 2 billion native Australian animals every year.

>>Releasing feral and stray cats into the wild is banned in most of Australia, but in the ACT a program called trap, neuter, return (TNR) is placing them back onto the streets.

Under the practice of TNR, wild cats are trapped, desexed and then released onto the streets to live in “cat colonies”.

< SNIP >

CSCA believe TNR is a crucial aspect of any cat-management plan.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/act-the-only-australian-jurisdiction-where-cat-management-program-trap-neuter-return-is-legal/ar-AASZ332?ocid=msedgntp

Seems like a Good Compromise would be

CATCH & RELEASE

…only NOT in a country that frowns upon breeding these little serial killers…

IOW: SHIP Them off to countries where they’d be needed & welcome to Control PEST Populations of Vermin

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Date: 22/01/2022 01:27:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1839108
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:


PermeateFree said:

Another example that we just do not understand the Australian environment.


Experts estimate that feral cats kill up to 2 billion native Australian animals every year.

>>Releasing feral and stray cats into the wild is banned in most of Australia, but in the ACT a program called trap, neuter, return (TNR) is placing them back onto the streets.

Under the practice of TNR, wild cats are trapped, desexed and then released onto the streets to live in “cat colonies”.

< SNIP >

CSCA believe TNR is a crucial aspect of any cat-management plan.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/act-the-only-australian-jurisdiction-where-cat-management-program-trap-neuter-return-is-legal/ar-AASZ332?ocid=msedgntp

Seems like a Good Compromise would be

CATCH & RELEASE

…only NOT in a country that frowns upon breeding these little serial killers…

IOW: SHIP Them off to countries where they’d be needed & welcome to Control PEST Populations of Vermin

(may I modify the plan slightly ?) Ship them off to some other country but they never actually get there through being dumped overboard in the deep ocean enroute….

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Date: 22/01/2022 06:54:04
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839115
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

party_pants said:


Ogmog said:

Seems like a Good Compromise would be

CATCH & RELEASE

…only NOT in a country that frowns upon breeding these little serial killers…

IOW: SHIP Them off to countries where they’d be needed & welcome to Control PEST Populations of Vermin

(may I modify the plan slightly ?) Ship them off to some other country but they never actually get there through being dumped overboard in the deep ocean enroute….

although I doubt the bleeding bleeding hearts would accept that as a compromise

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Date: 22/01/2022 07:42:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839125
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:


PermeateFree said:

Another example that we just do not understand the Australian environment.


Experts estimate that feral cats kill up to 2 billion native Australian animals every year.

>>Releasing feral and stray cats into the wild is banned in most of Australia, but in the ACT a program called trap, neuter, return (TNR) is placing them back onto the streets.

Under the practice of TNR, wild cats are trapped, desexed and then released onto the streets to live in “cat colonies”.

< SNIP >

CSCA believe TNR is a crucial aspect of any cat-management plan.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/act-the-only-australian-jurisdiction-where-cat-management-program-trap-neuter-return-is-legal/ar-AASZ332?ocid=msedgntp

Seems like a Good Compromise would be

CATCH & RELEASE

…only NOT in a country that frowns upon breeding these little serial killers…

IOW: SHIP Them off to countries where they’d be needed & welcome to Control PEST Populations of Vermin

The main problem being with that is thta they don’t actually control pest populations of vermin. That is a myth.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:09:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839145
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

good to see such cruelty on display in this thread.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:12:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839148
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


good to see such cruelty on display in this thread.

Which one of us kiills for playtime?

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:23:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839151
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

good to see such cruelty on display in this thread.

Which one of us kiills for playtime?

don’t believe i mentioned playtime. was commenting on people’s notion that one doesn’t need to be humane in cat eradication.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:31:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839153
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

good to see such cruelty on display in this thread.

Which one of us kiills for playtime?

don’t believe i mentioned playtime. was commenting on people’s notion that one doesn’t need to be humane in cat eradication.

In the case of a difficult to move feral which decimates the place every night, you mean?
Nothing about cat eradication in my posts. Perhaps one cat here and there. Anyway what is inhumane about a bullet to the head?
Cats don’t belong in the Australian environment outside a cat run.

Everyone else is attempting to solve the situation and if you can come up with a method that contains no hint of cruelty, you are welcome to the millions you will make.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:32:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839154
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Which one of us kiills for playtime?

don’t believe i mentioned playtime. was commenting on people’s notion that one doesn’t need to be humane in cat eradication.

In the case of a difficult to move feral which decimates the place every night, you mean?
Nothing about cat eradication in my posts. Perhaps one cat here and there. Anyway what is inhumane about a bullet to the head?
Cats don’t belong in the Australian environment outside a cat run.

Everyone else is attempting to solve the situation and if you can come up with a method that contains no hint of cruelty, you are welcome to the millions you will make.

nice post but nothing to do with what i was saying.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:33:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839155
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

don’t believe i mentioned playtime. was commenting on people’s notion that one doesn’t need to be humane in cat eradication.

In the case of a difficult to move feral which decimates the place every night, you mean?
Nothing about cat eradication in my posts. Perhaps one cat here and there. Anyway what is inhumane about a bullet to the head?
Cats don’t belong in the Australian environment outside a cat run.

Everyone else is attempting to solve the situation and if you can come up with a method that contains no hint of cruelty, you are welcome to the millions you will make.

nice post but nothing to do with what i was saying.

That’s because what you are saying is bullshit.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:36:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839156
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

In the case of a difficult to move feral which decimates the place every night, you mean?
Nothing about cat eradication in my posts. Perhaps one cat here and there. Anyway what is inhumane about a bullet to the head?
Cats don’t belong in the Australian environment outside a cat run.

Everyone else is attempting to solve the situation and if you can come up with a method that contains no hint of cruelty, you are welcome to the millions you will make.

nice post but nothing to do with what i was saying.

That’s because what you are saying is bullshit.

What is bullshit about humane pest control?

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:39:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839159
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

nice post but nothing to do with what i was saying.

That’s because what you are saying is bullshit.

What is bullshit about humane pest control?

That you are accusing me of it.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:42:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839160
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

That’s because what you are saying is bullshit.

What is bullshit about humane pest control?

That you are accusing me of it.

I don’t believe I specifically mentioned you but the general vibe of the thread. but if you want me to single you out then this comment of yours kinda makes you guilty. Of course you may have just been “joking”.

“Why would one worry about being humane with a cat that destroys all within the habitat surrounding you.”

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:50:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839164
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

What is bullshit about humane pest control?

That you are accusing me of it.

I don’t believe I specifically mentioned you but the general vibe of the thread. but if you want me to single you out then this comment of yours kinda makes you guilty. Of course you may have just been “joking”.

“Why would one worry about being humane with a cat that destroys all within the habitat surrounding you.”

I was simply commenting on PF’s frame of mind about one particular feral monster.

Believe what you will.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:53:53
From: Tamb
ID: 1839165
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

That you are accusing me of it.

I don’t believe I specifically mentioned you but the general vibe of the thread. but if you want me to single you out then this comment of yours kinda makes you guilty. Of course you may have just been “joking”.

“Why would one worry about being humane with a cat that destroys all within the habitat surrounding you.”

I was simply commenting on PF’s frame of mind about one particular feral monster.

Believe what you will.

How does neutering a cat stop it killing.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:56:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839166
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I don’t believe I specifically mentioned you but the general vibe of the thread. but if you want me to single you out then this comment of yours kinda makes you guilty. Of course you may have just been “joking”.

“Why would one worry about being humane with a cat that destroys all within the habitat surrounding you.”

I was simply commenting on PF’s frame of mind about one particular feral monster.

Believe what you will.

How does neutering a cat stop it killing.

well, yes. I think the idea is that of less breeding. This idea appears to be from people who oppose humane eradication by killing.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:59:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839168
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I don’t believe I specifically mentioned you but the general vibe of the thread. but if you want me to single you out then this comment of yours kinda makes you guilty. Of course you may have just been “joking”.

“Why would one worry about being humane with a cat that destroys all within the habitat surrounding you.”

I was simply commenting on PF’s frame of mind about one particular feral monster.

Believe what you will.

How does neutering a cat stop it killing.

I doubt it has much effect at all. Neutered cats that are kept cats may not be as inclined to go hunting. Cats put back on the street may mainly survive by scavenging but there will still be about 20% + of their diet native fauna from moths and beetles to small marsupials. All manner of birds and lizards.

A survey done(in the early 70’s) around Kuringai Chase NP of domesticated moggies found that although well fed, 17% of their diet included native birds and lizards.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:01:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839169
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

I was simply commenting on PF’s frame of mind about one particular feral monster.

Believe what you will.

How does neutering a cat stop it killing.

well, yes. I think the idea is that of less breeding. This idea appears to be from people who oppose humane eradication by killing.

Yet the population hasn’t diminished by way of neutered cats dying without having children. This would seem to be because the fluidity of the population matches the food supply, whatever.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:29:27
From: Michael V
ID: 1839173
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

I vote that feral cats be captured and killed humanely with a method that allows their pelts, meat, offal and skeletons to be thoughtfully used.

I also vote that keeping cats as pets be outlawed.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:30:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839174
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Michael V said:


I vote that feral cats be captured and killed humanely with a method that allows their pelts, meat, offal and skeletons to be thoughtfully used.

I also vote that keeping cats as pets be outlawed.

I agree with the first but disagree with the second.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:31:14
From: Tamb
ID: 1839175
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Michael V said:


I vote that feral cats be captured and killed humanely with a method that allows their pelts, meat, offal and skeletons to be thoughtfully used.

I also vote that keeping cats as pets be outlawed.

+1

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:35:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839177
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

I vote that feral cats be captured and killed humanely with a method that allows their pelts, meat, offal and skeletons to be thoughtfully used.

I also vote that keeping cats as pets be outlawed.

I agree with the first but disagree with the second.

Unless the cat owners can be trusted not to let their cat out?

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:40:53
From: Michael V
ID: 1839179
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

I vote that feral cats be captured and killed humanely with a method that allows their pelts, meat, offal and skeletons to be thoughtfully used.

I also vote that keeping cats as pets be outlawed.

I agree with the first but disagree with the second.

Unless the cat owners can be trusted not to let their cat out?

Nope. Completely outlawed.

We don’t allow people to keep big cats as pets.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:41:10
From: Ian
ID: 1839180
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

I vote that feral cats be captured and killed humanely with a method that allows their pelts, meat, offal and skeletons to be thoughtfully used.

I also vote that keeping cats as pets be outlawed.

I agree with the first but disagree with the second.

Yes

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:44:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839184
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

I agree with the first but disagree with the second.

Unless the cat owners can be trusted not to let their cat out?

Nope. Completely outlawed.

We don’t allow people to keep big cats as pets.

do it with dogs as well then. lots of people get hurt by dogs. moreso than get hurt by cats. I find the comment about big cats a little off topic as no one is talking about non domestic type cats.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:46:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839186
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Unless the cat owners can be trusted not to let their cat out?

Nope. Completely outlawed.

We don’t allow people to keep big cats as pets.

do it with dogs as well then. lots of people get hurt by dogs. moreso than get hurt by cats. I find the comment about big cats a little off topic as no one is talking about non domestic type cats.

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:46:28
From: Ian
ID: 1839187
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

“With populations of an estimated 2.1 million feral cats across Australia”

Most estimates of cat numbers are considerably higher..

“There is no consistent figure on the number of feral cats in Australia, but estimates range from 5 to 23 million. Experts say the number is impossible to calculate because of density variation, and the way the population fluctuates with prey availability and climate.”

ABC

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:47:43
From: Tamb
ID: 1839188
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Nope. Completely outlawed.

We don’t allow people to keep big cats as pets.

do it with dogs as well then. lots of people get hurt by dogs. moreso than get hurt by cats. I find the comment about big cats a little off topic as no one is talking about non domestic type cats.

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?


We weren’t talking about dogs either.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:48:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839189
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Nope. Completely outlawed.

We don’t allow people to keep big cats as pets.

do it with dogs as well then. lots of people get hurt by dogs. moreso than get hurt by cats. I find the comment about big cats a little off topic as no one is talking about non domestic type cats.

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?

same rules as walking a dog.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:50:48
From: buffy
ID: 1839192
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

do it with dogs as well then. lots of people get hurt by dogs. moreso than get hurt by cats. I find the comment about big cats a little off topic as no one is talking about non domestic type cats.

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?

same rules as walking a dog.

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:52:42
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839194
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?

same rules as walking a dog.

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:55:05
From: Tamb
ID: 1839196
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

same rules as walking a dog.

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.


How would you achieve that?

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:56:18
From: buffy
ID: 1839198
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

same rules as walking a dog.

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.

Is it actually The Rules anywhere though? Certainly not around here.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:56:54
From: buffy
ID: 1839199
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Tamb said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.


How would you achieve that?

Fences, cat runs, cages. If you want to keep a cat you have to be prepared to put in the infrastructure. Just like with dogs.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:58:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839200
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

do it with dogs as well then. lots of people get hurt by dogs. moreso than get hurt by cats. I find the comment about big cats a little off topic as no one is talking about non domestic type cats.

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?

same rules as walking a dog.

I doubt it.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:59:24
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839202
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

don’t believe i mentioned playtime. was commenting on people’s notion that one doesn’t need to be humane in cat eradication.

In the case of a difficult to move feral which decimates the place every night, you mean?
Nothing about cat eradication in my posts. Perhaps one cat here and there. Anyway what is inhumane about a bullet to the head?
Cats don’t belong in the Australian environment outside a cat run.

Everyone else is attempting to solve the situation and if you can come up with a method that contains no hint of cruelty, you are welcome to the millions you will make.

nice post but nothing to do with what i was saying.

I believe a misunderstanding of roughbark’s post is in play

I believe his statement about “playing at killing”
was in reply to my remark implying that cats are “serial killers” (by their very nature)

to address roughie’s comment about it being a myth:

“Playing at killing” isn’t so much PLAYING as Learning at a very early age, and
a life time of practice, honing & teaching their skill, which is a necessary part
of their survival (and YES which proves useful to mankind as long as there’s
an (OVER) abundance of pests & vermin in countries which easily support
an abundance of BOTH (a rapidly reproducing rodent population capable
of dropping up to 3-6 LITTERS of 8-10 per YEAR,& therefore a healthy
population of predators to feed & prey upon them.

Closed island populations with unique & specialized native species
which evolved in tandem with the availability of resources are
quickly overwhelmed by imported predators that hadn’t
evolved under those particular circumstances.

thus my suggested compromise:
Sent ‘em back to where
they came from.

You’re right & right again

If you bother catching them why ferfuksake would you ever
release them again into where they were never meant to be
in the first place since neutering will never make them change
their instinct to chase, pounce upon & kill anything that moves.

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Date: 22/01/2022 10:59:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839203
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.

Is it actually The Rules anywhere though? Certainly not around here.

It is being taken up by some shires but hardly many.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:00:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839204
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

buffy said:


Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.


How would you achieve that?

Fences, cat runs, cages. If you want to keep a cat you have to be prepared to put in the infrastructure. Just like with dogs.

and keep it there. Cats can get out more easily than dogs.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:08:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839209
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Tamb said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.


How would you achieve that?

achieve what?

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:09:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839210
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

And same rules about keeping them on your property, not allowing them to wander outside your boundary.

I believe that to be the general consensus so far. apart from those that just want to either ban or kill them.

Is it actually The Rules anywhere though? Certainly not around here.

consensus of those on this forum and in this thread.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:10:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839211
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Cats should not be allowed walkies without a leash?

same rules as walking a dog.

I doubt it.

why? plenty of people walk cats on a leash.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:18:15
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839219
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:20:13
From: Tamb
ID: 1839220
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Nothing is as difficult as herding cats.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:23:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839225
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:24:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839226
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Tamb said:


Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Nothing is as difficult as herding cats.

Getting five gallon plastic buckets apart?

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:25:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839228
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

If a cat has always had a leash.
Different to when you attempt to put a leash on a cat that has never had one.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:25:35
From: Ian
ID: 1839229
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

https://primalpetfoods.com/blogs/news/10-tips-for-training-a-cat-to-walk-on-a-leash-yes-it-can-be-done

.. any number of videos

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:26:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839230
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

If a cat has always had a leash.
Different to when you attempt to put a leash on a cat that has never had one.

there is always a point when a cat hasn’t had a leash on before to afterwards when they have.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:28:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839231
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

If a cat has always had a leash.
Different to when you attempt to put a leash on a cat that has never had one.

there is always a point when a cat hasn’t had a leash on before to afterwards when they have.

:)

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:26:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1839244
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

If a cat has always had a leash.
Different to when you attempt to put a leash on a cat that has never had one.

We have a woman over the road who takes one of her two cats for a walk on a lead. The other one stays inside.

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:39:18
From: buffy
ID: 1839247
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Tamb said:

How would you achieve that?

Fences, cat runs, cages. If you want to keep a cat you have to be prepared to put in the infrastructure. Just like with dogs.

and keep it there. Cats can get out more easily than dogs.

Simple – like with my chooks (who can fly), you have to put a lid on the cage…

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:43:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839250
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Fences, cat runs, cages. If you want to keep a cat you have to be prepared to put in the infrastructure. Just like with dogs.

and keep it there. Cats can get out more easily than dogs.

Simple – like with my chooks (who can fly), you have to put a lid on the cage…

:) A small area thta can have a lid, yes. A whole backyard? Well we saw the rolly fence tops and the saggy fence tops but are they used by many cat owners? I’d say very few.

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:45:48
From: buffy
ID: 1839251
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

And yet…people do manage to own completely contained cats. I wonder how they do it…

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:51:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839252
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

buffy said:


Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

And yet…people do manage to own completely contained cats. I wonder how they do it…

As long as they do it is all that matters.

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:56:04
From: buffy
ID: 1839253
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

and keep it there. Cats can get out more easily than dogs.

Simple – like with my chooks (who can fly), you have to put a lid on the cage…

:) A small area thta can have a lid, yes. A whole backyard? Well we saw the rolly fence tops and the saggy fence tops but are they used by many cat owners? I’d say very few.

Haven’t you seen the proper cat cages? This sort of thing. Incorporated into your yard and house. Some friends of ours cats had free run inside the house, a tunnel to go outside to their big run, which was like a double garage size with some open sides. (Picture below is not their place, it’s from my link)

https://bowwowinsurance.com.au/pet-community/pet-talk/the-best-outdoor-runs-and-enclosures-for-cats/

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Date: 22/01/2022 13:44:27
From: btm
ID: 1839290
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

same rules as walking a dog.

I doubt it.

why? plenty of people walk cats on a leash.

Pfft. Next you’ll be telling me people are taking their oysters for walkies.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:07:13
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839310
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

And yet…people do manage to own completely contained cats. I wonder how they do it…

As long as they do it is all that matters.

There ARE Alternatives to thowing them overboard

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:15:47
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839313
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

I’m well acquainted with Didja the Skateboarding Cat
…but he’s pretty much the exception not the rule.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:19:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839315
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:


JudgeMental said:

Ogmog said:

Cats & Dogs are Apples & Oranges

Dogs are pack animals evolved to follow an alpha leader
Cats live and hunt completely independently
A dog will obey when told to “STAY!”
and gladly walk on a lead

Lotsa’ Luck getting any cat to do likewise.

Furthermore
…anyone who thinks they can open a door
and prevent a determined cat from running out has obviously never owned one.

even if you grab it on it’s way out
you’d better own stock in “BAND~AID”

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

I’m well acquainted with Didja the Skateboarding Cat
…but he’s pretty much the exception not the rule.

that is the owner’s fault not the cat’s.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:37:59
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1839324
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Feral or wild cats are just that wild. They are not the semi-domesticated ones found around buildup areas that can be easily caught in a cage trap and then may be disposed of in any humane method that is convenient. The cats in the bush are wild, they generally avoid people and cage traps. They are difficult to see in the bush let alone catch and any chance you do get must be taken immediately, otherwise it just disappears to where they are supremely adapted. It is an expert hunter and can catch any small land animal it wants and can wipe out species where it lives, then it will move to another area where the pickings are better.

Cats can double their population each year, so neutering a few would be quickly replaced with fully breeding animals. Cats are the largest threat to the survival of our native species and if you value them, then you will give the wild cat no quarter. To encounter a wild cat is not common and then usually only for a fleeting moment, therefore if you have a chance of removing one and saving hundreds of natives animals, you take with whatever means you have. To talk about treating wild cats with dignity and compassion is ridiculous especially if you see the tortuous means they kill their prey. There is no reason to go out of your way to kill the wild cats cruelly, only to kill them when the opportunity arise, which is not often.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:40:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839326
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

PermeateFree said:


Feral or wild cats are just that wild. They are not the semi-domesticated ones found around buildup areas that can be easily caught in a cage trap and then may be disposed of in any humane method that is convenient. The cats in the bush are wild, they generally avoid people and cage traps. They are difficult to see in the bush let alone catch and any chance you do get must be taken immediately, otherwise it just disappears to where they are supremely adapted. It is an expert hunter and can catch any small land animal it wants and can wipe out species where it lives, then it will move to another area where the pickings are better.

Cats can double their population each year, so neutering a few would be quickly replaced with fully breeding animals. Cats are the largest threat to the survival of our native species and if you value them, then you will give the wild cat no quarter. To encounter a wild cat is not common and then usually only for a fleeting moment, therefore if you have a chance of removing one and saving hundreds of natives animals, you take with whatever means you have. To talk about treating wild cats with dignity and compassion is ridiculous especially if you see the tortuous means they kill their prey. There is no reason to go out of your way to kill the wild cats cruelly, only to kill them when the opportunity arise, which is not often.

This is what it is.

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:13:35
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1839335
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

PermeateFree said:


Feral or wild cats are just that wild. They are not the semi-domesticated ones found around buildup areas that can be easily caught in a cage trap and then may be disposed of in any humane method that is convenient. The cats in the bush are wild, they generally avoid people and cage traps. They are difficult to see in the bush let alone catch and any chance you do get must be taken immediately, otherwise it just disappears to where they are supremely adapted. It is an expert hunter and can catch any small land animal it wants and can wipe out species where it lives, then it will move to another area where the pickings are better.

Cats can double their population each year, so neutering a few would be quickly replaced with fully breeding animals. Cats are the largest threat to the survival of our native species and if you value them, then you will give the wild cat no quarter. To encounter a wild cat is not common and then usually only for a fleeting moment, therefore if you have a chance of removing one and saving hundreds of natives animals, you take with whatever means you have. To talk about treating wild cats with dignity and compassion is ridiculous especially if you see the tortuous means they kill their prey. There is no reason to go out of your way to kill the wild cats cruelly, only to kill them when the opportunity arise, which is not often.

If the wildcats were catching and killing people anywhere near the extent they do to native animals, there would be very few people worried about how we killed them.

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Date: 23/01/2022 08:46:27
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839500
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Ogmog said:

JudgeMental said:

Lions seem to hunt in a pack. cats will walk on a lead.
people can’t train cats for the same reason they can’t train dogs. not willing to put the effort in.

https://www.onlygood.tv/this-might-just-be-the-worlds-most-well-trained-house-cat-2078454778.html

I’m well acquainted with Didja the Skateboarding Cat
…but he’s pretty much the exception not the rule.

that is the owner’s fault not the cat’s.

Have you ever asked yourself WHY with 60 million
indigenous native Americans living on the continent in 1492
Americans still had to Uber slaves in from 15,000 kilometers away?

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Date: 23/01/2022 08:52:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839503
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Ogmog said:


JudgeMental said:

Ogmog said:

I’m well acquainted with Didja the Skateboarding Cat
…but he’s pretty much the exception not the rule.

that is the owner’s fault not the cat’s.

Have you ever asked yourself WHY with 60 million
indigenous native Americans living on the continent in 1492
Americans still had to Uber slaves in from 15,000 kilometers away?

wow a youtube clip. I’m convinced. FFS.

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Date: 23/01/2022 10:40:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1839553
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:


Ogmog said:

JudgeMental said:

that is the owner’s fault not the cat’s.

Have you ever asked yourself WHY with 60 million
indigenous native Americans living on the continent in 1492
Americans still had to Uber slaves in from 15,000 kilometers away?

wow a youtube clip. I’m convinced. FFS.

I thought you loved youtube learnin’…

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Date: 23/01/2022 10:57:34
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839560
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Witty Rejoinder said:


JudgeMental said:

Ogmog said:

Have you ever asked yourself WHY with 60 million
indigenous native Americans living on the continent in 1492
Americans still had to Uber slaves in from 15,000 kilometers away?

wow a youtube clip. I’m convinced. FFS.

I thought you loved youtube learnin’…


…well
if a picture’s worth a 1,000 words…

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Date: 23/01/2022 11:17:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839568
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

Witty Rejoinder said:


JudgeMental said:

Ogmog said:

Have you ever asked yourself WHY with 60 million
indigenous native Americans living on the continent in 1492
Americans still had to Uber slaves in from 15,000 kilometers away?

wow a youtube clip. I’m convinced. FFS.

I thought you loved youtube learnin’…

I do. when you actually learn something.

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:32:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839760
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:50:36
From: Michael V
ID: 1839768
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:



LOLOL

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Date: 24/01/2022 03:19:45
From: Ogmog
ID: 1839859
Subject: re: ACT the only Australian jurisdiction where cat management program trap, neuter, return is legal

JudgeMental said:



Cat’s reply:

“…and they keep you on a leash because they know you’re too stupid to find your way home on your own.”

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