https://iview.abc.net.au/show/7-30/series/0/video/NC2201H020S00
at about 26:25 apparently

SCIENCE said:

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/7-30/series/0/video/NC2201H020S00
at about 26:25 apparently

read those above, and watched some of the vid, though was eating breakfast didn’t want ruin my appetite

then this below
https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/714337502869480/
Qld CHO concerned about lack of boosters in aged care residents

it might be said australia can be added to a list of countries that has failed to respond properly to covid, failed to try to eliminate it, the program toward endemic equilibrium is a failure, probably better described as a menace

The centrepiece of the federal government’s “Living with Covid” program is a call centre outsourced to former robo-debt collectors and staffed by workers on casual contracts with no medical experience.

A cache of documents and testimony obtained by The Saturday Paper reveals the inner workings of the National Coronavirus Helpline, which is being run by private-equity owned Probe Group and its subsidiaries on contracts worth more than $270 million.

This information hotline has now been asked to triage people who have tested positive for Covid-19, or who believe they are infected, as part of the Commonwealth’s pivot to managing the disease in the community.

In practice, it has outsourced a key front-line health service to a small battalion of low-paid, poorly trained workers on insecure contracts. People staffing the hotline do not have medical qualifications. Many were previously unemployed and subject to the welfare system’s “mutual obligations”, which threatens penalties and payment suspensions if they refuse reasonable offers of work.

Training offered to new Probe recruits lasts only two hours.

Accounts obtained by The Saturday Paper show workers have described being placed under extreme stress while managing an overwhelming variety of callers, with limited information or ability to actually help them.

For instance, the coronavirus helpline is listed as the No. 1 point of contact on almost every government department, including Home Affairs and for disability and Aboriginal health services, despite there being no specific resources for team members to even provide advice.

Although scripts for call centre operators advise patients to seek rapid antigen tests if they are available, it is not part of the helpline’s remit to actually provide these tests or information on where they might be obtained.

Helpline workers are also fielding calls from people who are experiencing family violence, poverty or other types of extreme stress and are expected to arrange welfare checks or talk them through complex problems with little support.

Where problems do arise, employees are encouraged to phone their team leaders and not put anything in writing to ensure a “quick response”. Employees have requested access to more resources and training but in some cases have had no response from management or, where concerns have been heard, a two-page “cheat sheet” is provided.

There have been frequent occurrences of callers who have been given incorrect isolation advice from the National Coronavirus Helpline or who have complained about misleading public statements by politicians compared with the advice for different jurisdictions offered by the hotline.

In other cases, callers have been directed to see a doctor but have been sent away from GP clinics and even emergency departments, contrary to the advice offered over the helpline.
Employees working for Probe Group have shared stories of being left alone to make agonising decisions for people calling in distress. Some have repeatedly broken down at the end of a shift because of the pressure in the job and the lack of support provided.

Last week, The Saturday Paper reported that general practitioners and the federally funded Primary Health Networks were given just weeks to prepare for a shift in government strategy that refocused the response to managing coronavirus in the community rather than in hospitals. Omicron’s arrival in the country, amid signs overseas that it was vastly more contagious than the Delta variant, did not alter these plans.

Workers at Probe and healthdirect, a government-backed health resource website, were advised in mid-January that “Living with Covid” was due for launch within days. Its goal was clear.

A memo on January 14 stated: “The purpose of this service is to safely guide the correct level of care, provide accurate information about testing and isolation/quarantine, and that unnecessary presentations to 000, EDs and GPs are avoided, thus protecting health resources.”

On January 17, as the nation recorded another 39,000 cases of the disease, with hundreds of thousands of active cases, the first phase of the “transitioning to Living with Covid” plan went live at the national hotline.

Staff were now responsible for the “assessment, triage and health advice” of people across Australia who had or thought they may have Covid-19.

In a PowerPoint deck delivered to Probe Group employees five days later, they were asked to “celebrate” week one by acknowledging the “ramp of resources and conducting training in a short timeframe”.

On the same day, a Probe team leader emailed employees with “some resource material/cheat sheets” and asked them to “please take a look”. The documents included simple instructions on how to use the call system and the procedure to triage callers who were “at risk of serious harm”.

Nevertheless, the process for dealing with emergencies has remained confusing. Call operators, or “agents”, were instructed to transfer people with “severe/emergency symptoms” to a clinical agent, also working within Probe Group. However, they were told “if there is a long wait-time for clinical transfer, non-clinical agent should escalate to their TL ”.

Call operators, who do not have even basic health training, were asked to distinguish between these scenarios, and people with an “obvious” emergency, in which case they could be transferred straight to triple zero.

The Saturday Paper understands staff working for Probe deal with such emergencies every day but have found the reporting lines ill-defined and potentially life threatening.

Department of Health first assistant secretary Simon Cotterell promised in his email to Primary Health Network chief executives in October last year that “any management of Covid-positive cases by healthdirect would be of very low risk patients only” – but this is also not strictly true. Seriously ill people do telephone the number monitored by Probe Group and it is left to call centre operators to use a series of preset questions to determine the risk categories. No clinicians are involved in these calls.

Callers with high-risk symptoms are advised to phone an ambulance. Those with moderate symptoms are read a script by the call agent, which warns the patient they are “at higher risk of developing a more serious illness”.

The script tells them to: “Monitor the symptoms closely. Isolate at home and if you have access perform a rapid antigen test (RAT). You can leave your home to seek urgent medical care. If the GP is unavailable or closed, follow the instructions for contacting the emergency doctor or attend your nearest emergency department (ED). Some EDs offer telehealth services. If you can’t do either safely, call 000.”

On January 24, the second phase of the “Living with Covid” program launched. It includes a function to notify a person’s regular GP once they test positive for the coronavirus. It is currently available only in Queensland and only for people who have a GP. Everyone else is “ineligible”.

“Where the GP notification appears is where you select ‘contact a doctor within 24 hours’ and it is a medium-risk classification,” an instructor says in a video for Probe staff.

“If they have all the required fields, they know their GP practice name and they’re consenting for us to pass the information, it is as simple as selecting the GP notification required.

“That will trigger a response to our internal co-ordinators that we have hired who will be able to undertake GP notification on your behalf. If they don’t know their usual GP practice, then obviously the caller is ineligible.”

Health Minister Greg Hunt first announced what was then an information line for people worried about the novel coronavirus on January 31, 2020. Although hosted by healthdirect – a sort of national cabinet for government health advice across every jurisdiction in Australia – the call centres were set up by Stellar Asia Pacific Pty Ltd, now a wholly owned subsidiary of its former rival Probe Group.

Together the two companies have won more than half-a-billion dollars in government contracts in the past five years, largely with Services Australia and the Australian Taxation Office.

Probe bills itself as a company with a mission to “deliver exceptional customer experiences that will in turn have a positive impact on your organisation’s reputation, objectives, stakeholders and bottom line”.

The business is also one of a handful of companies with contracts to pursue Centrelink recipients for debts the Commonwealth says are owing, including under the notorious robo-debt program, in which at least $1.7 billion in notices were ultimately deemed illegal. Its most recent contract for “external debt management” with Services Australia is worth $5.3 million and runs for a year until June.

Probe employment contracts forbid workers from speaking with the media and are explicit that engagements for the coronavirus helpline are casual. The Saturday Paper has confirmed many, although not all, employees have been referred to the role by job service providers.

“You are engaged as a casual employee. This offer of employment is made to you on the basis that Probe makes no firm advance commitment to continuing and indefinite work according to an agreed pattern of work for you and you accept the offer on that basis,” the contract says.

“You also agree that, if a court or tribunal finds in the future that you were not a casual for any or all of your period employment with Probe that you were purported to be employed as such, you will be liable to make restitution to Probe for the total amount of the casual loading which was paid to you during that period.

“You acknowledge that Probe may enforce repayment of such amount as a civil debt, or may apply any or all of such amount against any of the entitlements set out above that apply to permanent employees which you may claim or be awarded.”

Although the new branch of the Covid-19 helpline has only been active since January 17, employees working for Probe Group have shared stories of being left alone to make agonising decisions for people calling in distress.

Some have repeatedly broken down at the end of a shift because of the pressure in the job and the lack of support provided to respond to the concerns of the Australian public. The initial surge of infections over the summer holidays has subsided for now, but the government hotline has been retooled as a one-stop-shop for all things coronavirus. There may be more waves in the near future.

On Wednesday, the nation’s chief medical officer, Professor Paul Kelly, was asked whether further waves of coronavirus infections are expected in the coming winter. He couldn’t say.

“I don’t have a crystal ball,” he said. “A lot of people have had Omicron but there are also a lot of people who have not had Omicron. There is emerging evidence that people above a certain age… people over 50 and 60 … have generally withdrawn from society over the last month or whatever.

“So if they have not been exposed, they are most at risk of being exposed in the next wave of Omicron. There will be another wave of Omicron, it’s most likely in winter.”

The Department of Health did not respond to questions about Probe Group’s role in the National Coronavirus Helpline.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/02/05/exclusive-robo-debt-call-centres-take-over-covid-hotline/164397960013268

go cheap, go half arsed, …

Apparently most of Scandinavia has now decided COVID19 is endemic. Denmark, Norway and now Sweden have ended restrictions and proof of vaccination requirements. At the risk of getting howled down again…here is Sebastian Rushworth’s take on it and a comparison of deaths and excess mortality between Sweden and the US.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2022/02/04/covid-officially-over-in-sweden/

sarahs mum said:

The centrepiece of the federal government’s “Living with Covid” program is a call centre outsourced to former robo-debt collectors and staffed by workers on casual contracts with no medical experience.

A cache of documents and testimony obtained by The Saturday Paper reveals the inner workings of the National Coronavirus Helpline, which is being run by private-equity owned Probe Group and its subsidiaries on contracts worth more than $270 million.

This information hotline has now been asked to triage people who have tested positive for Covid-19, or who believe they are infected, as part of the Commonwealth’s pivot to managing the disease in the community.

In practice, it has outsourced a key front-line health service to a small battalion of low-paid, poorly trained workers on insecure contracts. People staffing the hotline do not have medical qualifications. Many were previously unemployed and subject to the welfare system’s “mutual obligations”, which threatens penalties and payment suspensions if they refuse reasonable offers of work.

Training offered to new Probe recruits lasts only two hours.

Accounts obtained by The Saturday Paper show workers have described being placed under extreme stress while managing an overwhelming variety of callers, with limited information or ability to actually help them.

For instance, the coronavirus helpline is listed as the No. 1 point of contact on almost every government department, including Home Affairs and for disability and Aboriginal health services, despite there being no specific resources for team members to even provide advice.

…..snip…..

The Department of Health did not respond to questions about Probe Group’s role in the National Coronavirus Helpline.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/02/05/exclusive-robo-debt-call-centres-take-over-covid-hotline/164397960013268

Really, really scary.

More completely dumb-arsed management.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

The centrepiece of the federal government’s “Living with Covid” program is a call centre outsourced to former robo-debt collectors and staffed by workers on casual contracts with no medical experience.

A cache of documents and testimony obtained by The Saturday Paper reveals the inner workings of the National Coronavirus Helpline, which is being run by private-equity owned Probe Group and its subsidiaries on contracts worth more than $270 million.

This information hotline has now been asked to triage people who have tested positive for Covid-19, or who believe they are infected, as part of the Commonwealth’s pivot to managing the disease in the community.

In practice, it has outsourced a key front-line health service to a small battalion of low-paid, poorly trained workers on insecure contracts. People staffing the hotline do not have medical qualifications. Many were previously unemployed and subject to the welfare system’s “mutual obligations”, which threatens penalties and payment suspensions if they refuse reasonable offers of work.

Training offered to new Probe recruits lasts only two hours.

Accounts obtained by The Saturday Paper show workers have described being placed under extreme stress while managing an overwhelming variety of callers, with limited information or ability to actually help them.

For instance, the coronavirus helpline is listed as the No. 1 point of contact on almost every government department, including Home Affairs and for disability and Aboriginal health services, despite there being no specific resources for team members to even provide advice.

…..snip…..

The Department of Health did not respond to questions about Probe Group’s role in the National Coronavirus Helpline.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2022/02/05/exclusive-robo-debt-call-centres-take-over-covid-hotline/164397960013268

Really, really scary.

More completely dumb-arsed management.

whoops they did it again.

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

Michael V said:

Really, really scary.

More completely dumb-arsed management.

They could just have easily outsourced it to India or the Philippines, and paid the workers even less.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Really, really scary.

More completely dumb-arsed management.

They could just have easily outsourced it to India or the Philippines, and paid the workers even less.

Yeah, but do they have mates in those places that need and deserve hundreds of millions of dollars?

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

how do you explain Scandinavia then

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

fairly much it, the program toward endemic equilibrium is looking like the horrendous failure it always would likely be, and the worst of it may be yet to come, and persist for a long long time

Prof Allyson Pollock, professor of public health at Newcastle University, regrets not speaking out against school closures

Allyson Pollock
We knew almost right away, when the blanket lockdown was introduced in March 2020, that children were the least at-risk group, and their education should have been preserved. I wish I’d voiced this more strongly. There were some areas of the country that had almost no cases, and it should have been possible to put in place a cordon sanitaire around remote and rural areas such as the Orkney islands. On schools, closures should have been no more than a few weeks. I was dismayed at the position adopted by the teaching unions. There was a lot of fear and emotion, but they weren’t looking at the evidence or the circumstances that some of these kids were living in, for whom school is a place of safety as well as education. The government could have put in place systems for alternate school days or expanding classroom facilities and recruitment of volunteer staff, but they should have done everything to keep schools open for children. The second round of school closures was a disaster for children. I did speak out early in the first lockdown against banning relatives from nursing homes and the need to redeploy staff to homes, in an editorial in the BMJ. It was really difficult to speak out because it was too politicised. That politicisation was totally wrong in my mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/04/i-didnt-think-vaccines-would-work-scientists-admit-their-covid-mistakes

Although scripts for call centre operators advise patients to seek rapid antigen tests if they are available, it is not part of the helpline’s remit to actually provide these tests or information on where they might be obtained.

Perfect

sibeen said:

Prof Allyson Pollock, professor of public health at Newcastle University, regrets not speaking out against school closures

Allyson Pollock
We knew almost right away, when the blanket lockdown was introduced in March 2020, that children were the least at-risk group, and their education should have been preserved. I wish I’d voiced this more strongly. There were some areas of the country that had almost no cases, and it should have been possible to put in place a cordon sanitaire around remote and rural areas such as the Orkney islands. On schools, closures should have been no more than a few weeks. I was dismayed at the position adopted by the teaching unions. There was a lot of fear and emotion, but they weren’t looking at the evidence or the circumstances that some of these kids were living in, for whom school is a place of safety as well as education. The government could have put in place systems for alternate school days or expanding classroom facilities and recruitment of volunteer staff, but they should have done everything to keep schools open for children. The second round of school closures was a disaster for children. I did speak out early in the first lockdown against banning relatives from nursing homes and the need to redeploy staff to homes, in an editorial in the BMJ. It was really difficult to speak out because it was too politicised. That politicisation was totally wrong in my mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/04/i-didnt-think-vaccines-would-work-scientists-admit-their-covid-mistakes

so how’s school opening going

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

hoped by whom, pretty sure that we were told millions of times by the leading leaders of leadership that it was all about the 10000% efficacy against death and severe disease

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

Not quite getting your point, PWM. The advent of vaccines has coincided with the removal of restrictions.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

Not quite getting your point, PWM. The advent of vaccines has coincided with the removal of restrictions.

I also have to wonder about the idea of strains and vaccine effectiveness…

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

Not quite getting your point, PWM. The advent of vaccines has coincided with the removal of restrictions.

To highlight my point: despite case numbers being four times previous maxima, daily death counts are still below were they were a year ago, globally.

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

Independent fact checkers have deemed this to be

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

dv said:

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

Does anyone know the Tassie stats? I keep hearing about how everyone is in lockdown no matter what is said.

dv said:

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

Just checking WA, weekly deaths there seem particularly stable.

dv said:

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

I wonder how much of that is due to people still sensibly self-isolating, despite governments trying to push them into “venues” etc.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

Just checking WA, weekly deaths there seem particularly stable.

we thought they were growing exponentially

dv said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

Not quite getting your point, PWM. The advent of vaccines has coincided with the removal of restrictions.

To highlight my point: despite case numbers being four times previous maxima, daily death counts are still below were they were a year ago, globally.

wait so dexamethasone ivermectin works we knew it

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

I wonder how much of that is due to people still sensibly self-isolating, despite governments trying to push them into “venues” etc.

wind that back a bit

it’s been out of control for quite a while, evident by it being in aged care to the extent it is

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Weekly deaths in Australia still seem pretty stable. Which is not great but I’m still counting my blessings that it’s not out of control

I wonder how much of that is due to people still sensibly self-isolating, despite governments trying to push them into “venues” etc.

wind that back a bit

it’s been out of control for quite a while, evident by it being in aged care to the extent it is

cull the weak

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

I wonder how much of that is due to people still sensibly self-isolating, despite governments trying to push them into “venues” etc.

wind that back a bit

it’s been out of control for quite a while, evident by it being in aged care to the extent it is

cull the weak

one of those embarrassments on the road to endemic covid, some have bought into the propaganda, many have

Entertaining.

SCIENCE said:

Entertaining...

Indeed, those of you who skip over our distributions will not even realise you regret missing this one¡

We did our own research for it, we assure you.

https://www.newsweek.com/vaccine-coronavirus-question-time-scientist-professor-robin-shattock-immunology-1676186
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10476235/Awkward-moment-anti-vaxxer-student-torn-apart-Question-Time.html

Arguably a PhD is evidence of having studied philosophy at university right¿

US Government Disinformation

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm?s_cid=mm7106e1_w%20%5bcdc.gov

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Given that deaths around the world and in Australia have not been reduced much by the vaccines you have to wonder about their promised efficacy.
Sure it’s better to be vaccinated than not but the vaccines are not working that well.
Australia which is one of the worlds most vaccinated countries is now recording more deaths from the virus than ever as is the case in other well vaccinated countries.
But on the upside the vaccines are making the deaths more milder, apparently.

There are far more people getting Covid recently but deaths haven’t risen by much. The vaccines make you far more unlikely to die from it. One caveat though is that the vaccines are not preventing infection as well as was hoped.

hoped by whom, pretty sure that we were told millions of times by the leading leaders of leadership that it was all about the 10000% efficacy against death and severe disease

two more so-called experts who know nothing

we mean c’m‘on this is good news, that exponential growth in early 2020 has stopped

More Fun Than Letter Position Guessing Games

try interpreting this you wise ones

https://twitter.com/NoyesJHumphrey/status/1488759755015274496

Laugh Out Loud
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8415202/

do I dare have a look at the news, see how many the endemicists killed today, oh there’s the maiming also, though no proper statistics for that

study the good work of the endemicist killers

Child Abuse

A Perth high school is closing its doors for two weeks and shifting to online learning following two more COVID-19 cases being reported amongst its secondary cohort, while another school has reported a teacher being infected.

SCIENCE said:

Child Abuse

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Child Abuse

A Perth high school is closing its doors for two weeks and shifting to online learning following two more COVID-19 cases being reported amongst its secondary cohort, while another school has reported a teacher being infected.

When I were lad we always had our assemblies outside in the clear fresh air rain hail or shine and that was…..hang on……….minus 3…….carry the 1………anyway it was pre the dampanic, a long long time ago.
But look at this and in the middle of a dampanic, it’s not right.

death and critical illness are good for mental health

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Child Abuse

A Perth high school is closing its doors for two weeks and shifting to online learning following two more COVID-19 cases being reported amongst its secondary cohort, while another school has reported a teacher being infected.

When I were lad we always had our assemblies outside in the clear fresh air rain hail or shine and that was…..hang on……….minus 3…….carry the 1………anyway it was pre the dampanic, a long long time ago.
But look at this and in the middle of a dampanic, it’s not right.

death and critical illness are good for mental health

School assembly halls were one of the big ticket items in the Rudd stimulus package after the 2008 economic crisis.

We Knew It¡ This Fucking Mass Disability Of Children Strategy Is All Labor’s Fault

Laugh Out Loud

• Fatigue and cognitive impairment are amongst the most common and debilitating symptoms of post-COVID-19 syndrome.
• Approximately 1 in 3 individuals experienced fatigue 12 or more weeks following COVID-19 diagnosis.
• Approximately 1 in 5 individuals exhibited cognitive impairment 12 or more weeks following COVID-19 diagnosis.
• There was an elevation in proinflammatory markers and functional impairment in a subset of post-COVID individuals.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159121006516

the school in questions is one my friends daughter goes to .. she now has to isolate for 14 days..

first test – negative

second test – if negative continue isolation from first test
if positive – start isolation again

third test (second neg) if negative finish iso as planned
if positive (second neg) start iso from there for 14 days
negative (second positive) continue iso on second plan timeline

she is (apparently not enjoying being in iso in the house. My friend has set up the house so the child gets a section to herself (a couple of bedrooms and the bathroom). but she’s still not enjoying herself… I think mine would be ok.. but we are home body types, this kid gets out and sports every single day… it’s only day four.

Looks like the number of crashes on the “ourworldindata” coronavirus information site has increased.

I think it has a virus.

Next Level Shit

Australia.

Time delay between diagnosis and death is 16 days.
Mortality rate is 155 / 175,000 or 87 / 109,000 is about 0.08%

That’s not bad. About 2.5 to 3 times the mortality you’d expect from a bad flu these days.

First wave covid in Australia started at 0.7% mortality rate.

New cases

New deaths appear to have finally peaked. Whew.

mollwollfumble said:

Australia.

Time delay between diagnosis and death is 16 days.
Mortality rate is 155 / 175,000 or 87 / 109,000 is about 0.08%

See how we go after around 10,000 people are mixing it closely together in Canberra for the protest rally. The clock is ticking …

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australia.

Time delay between diagnosis and death is 16 days.
Mortality rate is 155 / 175,000 or 87 / 109,000 is about 0.08%

See how we go after around 10,000 people are mixing it closely together in Canberra for the protest rally. The clock is ticking …

The two nephews and niece who got covid recently all live in Canberra. Shall I suugest that they mingle?

mollwollfumble said:

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australia.

Time delay between diagnosis and death is 16 days.
Mortality rate is 155 / 175,000 or 87 / 109,000 is about 0.08%

See how we go after around 10,000 people are mixing it closely together in Canberra for the protest rally. The clock is ticking …

The two nephews and niece who got covid recently all live in Canberra. Shall I suugest that they mingle?

No.

“Essentially our brains have lived through two years of extreme threat and anxiety”, says Susan Rossell, a professor of cognitive neuropsychology at Melbourne’s Swinburne University of Technology.

“When we experience a threat, stress hormones, adrenaline and cortisol are increased substantially to enable us to be vigilant. Those stress hormones have stayed high for two years, causing anxiety.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-06/covid-19-changing-brains-childhood-rethink-lives-experts/100804482
============

Well there you have it, nice and tidy 123, dusts hands.

Mind you I haven’t had any anxiety……but yeah.

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australia.

Time delay between diagnosis and death is 16 days.
Mortality rate is 155 / 175,000 or 87 / 109,000 is about 0.08%

See how we go after around 10,000 people are mixing it closely together in Canberra for the protest rally. The clock is ticking …

Are the Dumbernats still going?

Dark Orange said:

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Australia.

Time delay between diagnosis and death is 16 days.
Mortality rate is 155 / 175,000 or 87 / 109,000 is about 0.08%

See how we go after around 10,000 people are mixing it closely together in Canberra for the protest rally. The clock is ticking …

Are the Dumbernats still going?

En eff eye.
I suspect it’s still on. I’ll keep an eye out for plumes of tyre smoke to the south though.

Peak Warming Man said:

“Essentially our brains have lived through two years of extreme threat and anxiety”, says Susan Rossell, a professor of cognitive neuropsychology at Melbourne’s Swinburne University of Technology.

“When we experience a threat, stress hormones, adrenaline and cortisol are increased substantially to enable us to be vigilant. Those stress hormones have stayed high for two years, causing anxiety.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-06/covid-19-changing-brains-childhood-rethink-lives-experts/100804482
============

Well there you have it, nice and tidy 123, dusts hands.

Mind you I haven’t had any anxiety……but yeah.

You have to learn how to deal with anxiety.

In a book about D-Day, a veteran (American paratrooper) told of how anxious he was after they’d been given the ‘we go tonight’ advice.

His tentmate was sleeping soundly, but the young man’s noisy movements had made him wake up.

‘How can you sleep?’, asked the anxious one. ‘You know, you could be dead by this time tomorrow.’

‘Ok’, said the other, ‘ i could be. But will staying awake and worrying help prevent that? No? Then shut the f*** up and let me sleep while i can.”

And the anxious one had to admit that he was right, and got some sleep himself.

Peak Warming Man said:

“Essentially our brains have lived through two years of extreme threat and anxiety”, says Susan Rossell, a professor of cognitive neuropsychology at Melbourne’s Swinburne University of Technology.

“When we experience a threat, stress hormones, adrenaline and cortisol are increased substantially to enable us to be vigilant. Those stress hormones have stayed high for two years, causing anxiety.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-06/covid-19-changing-brains-childhood-rethink-lives-experts/100804482
============

Well there you have it, nice and tidy 123, dusts hands.

Mind you I haven’t had any anxiety……but yeah.

saw some bullshit like that on the TV yesterday, maybe it’s true when it’s true to the extent it’s true, if you want frame it that way, but there is still the question of what talking about it is for, the purpose, the intention, for all I know it could be variation on the flawed human nature idea, like the God botherers preach, or the more non-religious version which highlights human irrationality, whatever it is be good raw materials for the social constructionists to work with

if there’s anything be said of the last two years, the endemicists forgot to ask how much circulating covid people wanted with their vaccine, or vaccines (plural) as it turns out

forever i’m calling it endemicists’ covid, that’s what you’re getting, they can own their own bullshit, own covid, it spreading around doesn’t dilute their responsibility for it

well no wonder the pandemic response is fucked, it’s taken 2 years for the supposedly intelligent medical professionals to realise this

SCIENCE said:

well no wonder the pandemic response is fucked, it’s taken 2 years for the supposedly intelligent medical professionals to realise this

Bog brain time

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/06/us-covid-death-rate-vaccines

Klin

https://theconversation.com/the-covidsafe-app-was-designed-to-help-contact-tracers-we-crunched-the-numbers-to-see-what-really-happened-172242

Nilk

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/health-versus-wealth-the-unexpected-costs-of-opening-up-early/100809076

Health versus wealth and the unexpected costs of Australia opening up early as Omicron wreaks havoc

wait wait you mean to tell us that there were costs involved, that nobody predicted, but that could have been expected if only someone with enough* brains had thought it through

*: more than 3 neurons

well imagine that

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/health-versus-wealth-the-unexpected-costs-of-opening-up-early/100809076

Health versus wealth and the unexpected costs of Australia opening up early as Omicron wreaks havoc

wait wait you mean to tell us that there were costs involved, that nobody predicted, but that could have been expected if only someone with enough* brains had thought it through

*: more than 3 neurons

well imagine that

very helpful that page is, if you wanted to obliterate a persons capacity to distinguish between covid and the program of endemic covid

the little I read

some of you like these comrades

anyway why the fuck are unvaccinated or old crumbly preexistings catching buses anyway, they should be cowering in fear in their self-imposed isolation

SCIENCE said:

some of you like these comrades

anyway why the fuck are unvaccinated or old crumbly preexistings catching buses anyway, they should be cowering in fear in their self-imposed isolation

The COVID Killing Fields of Australia.

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/health-versus-wealth-the-unexpected-costs-of-opening-up-early/100809076

Health versus wealth and the unexpected costs of Australia opening up early as Omicron wreaks havoc

wait wait you mean to tell us that there were costs involved, that nobody predicted, but that could have been expected if only someone with enough* brains had thought it through

*: more than 3 neurons

well imagine that

very helpful that page is, if you wanted to obliterate a persons capacity to distinguish between covid and the program of endemic covid

the little I read

and I did read it to the end, the writ speakies gave a good impression of being balanced, no change though to the utility of obliviousness, chuck a bunch of attractive ways of seeing things in, and sneak something otherwise in there, who’d notice, you’ve got the bigger picture, won’t be any turning the bigger picture around, inconvenient stuff becomes irrelevant

you might completely abandon the possibility a global approach to endemic equilibrium is dangerous

Today’s Qld figures:
Total Qld deaths 296

Australian Defence Force to be sent into aged care facilities to ease staffing pressures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/australian-defence-force-to-be-sent-into-aged-care/100810630

dv said:

Australian Defence Force to be sent into aged care facilities to ease staffing pressures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/australian-defence-force-to-be-sent-into-aged-care/100810630

I gather they are only going into Comm nursing homes.

International COVID-19 border closures to end, full reopening by February 21
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/international-covid-borders-to-reopen-scott-morrison/100810580

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Australian Defence Force to be sent into aged care facilities to ease staffing pressures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/australian-defence-force-to-be-sent-into-aged-care/100810630

I gather they are only going into Comm nursing homes.

How come they can do this but not hold hoses?

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Australian Defence Force to be sent into aged care facilities to ease staffing pressures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/australian-defence-force-to-be-sent-into-aged-care/100810630

I gather they are only going into Comm nursing homes.

How come they can do this but not hold hoses?

Do you mean fire-fighting?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

I gather they are only going into Comm nursing homes.

How come they can do this but not hold hoses?

Do you mean fire-fighting?

yes.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Australian Defence Force to be sent into aged care facilities to ease staffing pressures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/australian-defence-force-to-be-sent-into-aged-care/100810630

I gather they are only going into Comm nursing homes.

How come they can do this but not hold hoses?

I know of several occasions when ADF people have been told to have gear ready to respond to any call for assistance from fire brigades fighting bushfires.
Firefighting equipment, including fire engines at e.g. RAN air station Nowra, breathing apparatus, buses and trucks would be made ready and mustered, and sets of anti-flash hoods and gloves issued to people who normally didn’t need them. Steel helmets would also be issued, for protection from embers and falling limbs etc.

You’d be told to be ready to go within 15 mins at most.

Not once do i know of any such call for help from fire brigades.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

How come they can do this but not hold hoses?

Do you mean fire-fighting?

yes.

I would imagine that training for fire-fighting would be paramount.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Do you mean fire-fighting?

yes.

I would imagine that training for fire-fighting would be paramount.

Can’t speak for other services, but just about everyone in the Navy got some firefighting training, using big hoses and foam and stuff. Included putting out some substantial blazes in large shallow tanks of oil.

seems like a good use of defence personnel, certainly much better than staffing quarantine facilities with a view to preventing incursion of virus into communities free of local transmission

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Australian Defence Force to be sent into aged care facilities to ease staffing pressures

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/australian-defence-force-to-be-sent-into-aged-care/100810630

I gather they are only going into Comm nursing homes.

How come they can do this but not hold hoses?

They are responsible for the good conduct of nursing homes.

https://www.agedcare101.com.au/aged-care/get-informed/government%E2%80%99s-role-aged-care

SCIENCE said:

seems like a good use of defence personnel, certainly much better than staffing quarantine facilities with a view to preventing incursion of virus into communities free of local transmission

Despite what training they may have had, ADF people are, let’s face it’ going to be at the ‘novice’ level of fighting enormous bushfires.

It may be that the fire brigade authorities think that that the last thing they need is an absolute horde of ‘newbies’ arriving at the fire front. They may think that it’s a better use of their people with experience to be fighting the fire, rather than trying to give on-the-job training to a lot of beginners.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

seems like a good use of defence personnel, certainly much better than staffing quarantine facilities with a view to preventing incursion of virus into communities free of local transmission

Despite what training they may have had, ADF people are, let’s face it’ going to be at the ‘novice’ level of fighting enormous bushfires.

It may be that the fire brigade authorities think that that the last thing they need is an absolute horde of ‘newbies’ arriving at the fire front. They may think that it’s a better use of their people with experience to be fighting the fire, rather than trying to give on-the-job training to a lot of beginners.

sorry we got in a bit slow we meant having them run nursing homes

like we’ve met old farts before, probably less likely to need soldiers chasing escapees than from young and fit traveller quarantine

Sweden is boring for stalking at the moment. How come Israel, with (I think) very high vaccination rates has such a high current deaths per day level compared to earlier in the pandemic?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

buffy said:

Sweden is boring for stalking at the moment. How come Israel, with (I think) very high vaccination rates has such a high current deaths per day level compared to earlier in the pandemic?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Well I’m it looks like the vaccines were over hyped.

sibeen said:

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/

Still not really killing them off a lot though. Even though the case numbers are a tad precipitous compared to earlier.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Sweden is boring for stalking at the moment. How come Israel, with (I think) very high vaccination rates has such a high current deaths per day level compared to earlier in the pandemic?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Well I’m it looks like the vaccines were over hyped.

You were told yesterday you’re mistaken.

sibeen said:

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

more a global fail, a cascade

china’s one exception to-date

if you have asymptomatic covids (aka Covid with notifications on silent), and don’t get tested and then at some point get tested for being a close contact…

a. would that test come back positive?
b. how long after you have the covids would you need to test negative?

Arts said:

if you have asymptomatic covids (aka Covid with notifications on silent), and don’t get tested and then at some point get tested for being a close contact…

a. would that test come back positive?
b. how long after you have the covids would you need to test negative?

a. Depends on whether you still have COVID. Lets say it is five days after being infected – the answer would be yes. If it is 35 days, the answer would most likely be no.

b. 97% of the population no longer test positive 14 days after initial infection

transition said:

sibeen said:

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

more a global fail, a cascade

china’s one exception to-date

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

sibeen said:

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

more a global fail, a cascade

china’s one exception to-date

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

China reported 43 covids yesterday in the whole vast expansive heavily populated big country and 45 in the little bubble that is the Olympic village.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

sibeen said:

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

more a global fail, a cascade

china’s one exception to-date

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

so you’re hoping their country gets a bad flu, you got the egalitarian sentiment happening, invested in, hoping the liberal faith might travel in with covid

credit to china, the more endemic covid there is around the world the harder their job gets, and it can’t be easy, requires a lot of work whatever they’re doing

“ Only half of participants who were exposed to the coronavirus developed infections, most with mild symptoms.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00319-9

poikilotherm said:

“ Only half of participants who were exposed to the coronavirus developed infections, most with mild symptoms.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00319-9

If everyone developed mild symptoms, there wouldn’t be a problem.

The problem is that some of the exposed, and some of the people the exposed come into contact with, develop non-mild symptoms, like death.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

sibeen said:

Looks like the Kiwis have lost the war.

more a global fail, a cascade

china’s one exception to-date

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

more a global fail, a cascade

china’s one exception to-date

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

transition said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

maybe they meant credulous

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

seems like a good use of defence personnel, certainly much better than staffing quarantine facilities with a view to preventing incursion of virus into communities free of local transmission

Despite what training they may have had, ADF people are, let’s face it’ going to be at the ‘novice’ level of fighting enormous bushfires.

It may be that the fire brigade authorities think that that the last thing they need is an absolute horde of ‘newbies’ arriving at the fire front. They may think that it’s a better use of their people with experience to be fighting the fire, rather than trying to give on-the-job training to a lot of beginners.

sorry we got in a bit slow we meant having them run nursing homes

like we’ve met old farts before, probably less likely to need soldiers chasing escapees than from young and fit traveller quarantine

transition said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

God knows why, they’ve done nuffin.

transition said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

China’s one exception to-date, according to China, the country that’s hosting the winter Olympics and which might find significant case numbers a bit awkward and embarrassing.

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

sibeen said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

God knows why, they’ve done nuffin.

true, we get pissed at the supply chains that keep us fed and watered and powered and clothed and all that, too

captain_spalding said:

poikilotherm said:

“ Only half of participants who were exposed to the coronavirus developed infections, most with mild symptoms.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00319-9

If everyone developed mild symptoms, there wouldn’t be a problem.

The problem is that some of the exposed, and some of the people the exposed come into contact with, develop non-mild symptoms, like death.

also,

The UK study of 34 individuals, aged 18–30 years, shows that such trials can be done safely, say scientists, and lays the groundwork for more in-depth studies of vaccines, antivirals and immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection. The results were posted1 on 1 February on the preprint server Research Square and have not been peer reviewed.

seems useful compared to 3 400 000 000 exposed individuals that could be studied

party_pants said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

true, CHINA were the good guys before before Omicron

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

transition said:

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

God knows why, they’ve done nuffin.

true, we get pissed at the supply chains that keep us fed and watered and powered and clothed and all that, too

Australia gets food and water from China now?

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

God knows why, they’ve done nuffin.

true, we get pissed at the supply chains that keep us fed and watered and powered and clothed and all that, too

Australia gets food and water from China now?

analogies are literal now

party_pants said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

Credible independent estimates put China’s death toll at over 1 million, some say as high as 1.4 million.

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

don’t think it will help much with australia’s present domestic troubles, they really have SFA to do with china

Fucking Stupid Governments In Most Of The World:

“Forget Cases¡ Only Death Matters¡ (LIFE Doesn’t Matter¡)”

SARS-CoV-2:

transition said:

party_pants said:

transition said:

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

don’t think it will help much with australia’s present domestic troubles, they really have SFA to do with china

yes they do, if we scream CHINA CHINA CHINA loudly enough then everyone will forget about domestic troubles and carry on being pricks and reelect corruption and continue to fail pandemic control

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

transition said:

there’s also not an insignificant hostility toward china, a substantial force

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

true, CHINA were the good guys before before Omicron

Nah. Xi took charge in 2012. Since then it has been a sharp change in Chinese policy. Most people have only noted it for the last year or two, before that people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. But the genocide against minorities, and the abandonment of democracy in Hong Kong, and the navy bases on the islands in the sea west of the Philippines, the hacking, and the debt-trap foreign development “assistance” programs.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

don’t think it will help much with australia’s present domestic troubles, they really have SFA to do with china

yes they do, if we scream CHINA CHINA CHINA loudly enough then everyone will forget about domestic troubles and carry on being pricks and reelect corruption and continue to fail pandemic control

Chinese geniuses again pwn the west by achieving corruption without elections.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

don’t think it will help much with australia’s present domestic troubles, they really have SFA to do with china

yes they do, if we scream CHINA CHINA CHINA loudly enough then everyone will forget about domestic troubles and carry on being pricks and reelect corruption and continue to fail pandemic control

Chinese geniuses again pwn the west by achieving corruption without elections.

right and we’re sure they also say similar about how more than half of our citizens disagree with the elected supposed leaders and yet here we are

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

yes they do, if we scream CHINA CHINA CHINA loudly enough then everyone will forget about domestic troubles and carry on being pricks and reelect corruption and continue to fail pandemic control

Chinese geniuses again pwn the west by achieving corruption without elections.

right and we’re sure they also say similar about how more than half of our citizens disagree with the elected supposed leaders and yet here we are

Governments losing their popularity over the political cycle is hardly a criticism of democracy.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, that’s because they’ve turned into complete cunts since Winnie the Pooh took charge.

true, CHINA were the good guys before before Omicron

Nah. Xi took charge in 2012. Since then it has been a sharp change in Chinese policy. Most people have only noted it for the last year or two, before that people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. But the genocide against minorities, and the abandonment of democracy in Hong Kong, and the navy bases on the islands in the sea west of the Philippines, the hacking, and the debt-trap foreign development “assistance” programs.

honestly feels like it’s been a bit like that plenty longer, and just perhaps a bit more obvious now (in which case consider whether the obviousness is due to media portrayal)

regardless, tying it all back, our simple argument is as follows

1. the CHINA CHINA CHINA screaming is not helpful
2. you end up with this mood of CHINA BAD, notCHINA good
3. CHINA therefore obtains an easy strategy of doing what works, picking the low hanging fruit
4. the rest of the world end up fucking literally killing themselves trying to for example not control deadly viruses just to be notCHINA
5. hello

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Chinese geniuses again pwn the west by achieving corruption without elections.

right and we’re sure they also say similar about how more than half of our citizens disagree with the elected supposed leaders and yet here we are

Governments losing their popularity over the political cycle is hardly a criticism of democracy.

the existence of corruption in human politics regardless of the democratic nature of the politics is hardly a criticism of notdemocracy

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

right and we’re sure they also say similar about how more than half of our citizens disagree with the elected supposed leaders and yet here we are

Governments losing their popularity over the political cycle is hardly a criticism of democracy.

the existence of corruption in human politics regardless of the democratic nature of the politics is hardly a criticism of notdemocracy

The ability to vote out corrupt governments makes democracy far superior to nondemocracy.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Governments losing their popularity over the political cycle is hardly a criticism of democracy.

the existence of corruption in human politics regardless of the democratic nature of the politics is hardly a criticism of notdemocracy

The ability to vote out corrupt governments makes democracy far superior to nondemocracy.

the ability to consider meaning beyond the next election makes democracy nearly infinitely superior to failrepresentative pseudodemocracy which is above misrepresented as “democracy”

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

the existence of corruption in human politics regardless of the democratic nature of the politics is hardly a criticism of notdemocracy

The ability to vote out corrupt governments makes democracy far superior to nondemocracy.

the ability to consider meaning beyond the next election makes democracy nearly infinitely superior to failrepresentative pseudodemocracy which is above misrepresented as “democracy”

As opposed to authoritarian regimes without a semblance of concern for those they are supposed to represent.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The ability to vote out corrupt governments makes democracy far superior to nondemocracy.

the ability to consider meaning beyond the next election makes democracy nearly infinitely superior to failrepresentative pseudodemocracy which is above misrepresented as “democracy”

As opposed to authoritarian regimes without a semblance of concern for those they are supposed to represent.

what authoritarian regime

are we talking about officials in a country that at least try to look like they’re preventing deadly and crippling infection spreading all over the population, even if the absence of massive leaks about concealed widespread death and disability might actually create that impression

what concern

are we talking about religious fanatics in a country that claims to separate church and state

what represent

say what again

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

the ability to consider meaning beyond the next election makes democracy nearly infinitely superior to failrepresentative pseudodemocracy which is above misrepresented as “democracy”

As opposed to authoritarian regimes without a semblance of concern for those they are supposed to represent.

what authoritarian regime

are we talking about officials in a country that at least try to look like they’re preventing deadly and crippling infection spreading all over the population, even if the absence of massive leaks about concealed widespread death and disability might actually create that impression

what concern

are we talking about religious fanatics in a country that claims to separate church and state

what represent

You are drawing a false equivalence between flawed democracies and nations that lock up a million citizens because of their religion and ethnicity.

I think we’ve crossed over into a dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call “The Twilight Zone”.

poikilotherm said:

“ Only half of participants who were exposed to the coronavirus developed infections, most with mild symptoms.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00319-9

Thanks. I knew challenge trials have previously been done for ‘flu and colds. The timescales seem familiar – I think a normal cold takes about 3 days from exposure to symptoms, then snotty stuff for around 4 days and pretty much all clear after 10-14 days. I think the runny nose is a pretty good explanation for the loss of smell. Smeller cells don’t work so well when they are covered in snot.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

As opposed to authoritarian regimes without a semblance of concern for those they are supposed to represent.

what authoritarian regime

are we talking about officials in a country that at least try to look like they’re preventing deadly and crippling infection spreading all over the population, even if the absence of massive leaks about concealed widespread death and disability might actually create that impression

what concern

are we talking about religious fanatics in a country that claims to separate church and state

what represent

You are drawing a false equivalence between flawed democracies and nations that lock up a million citizens because of their religion and ethnicity.

how is it a false equivalence that the Democratic People’s Republic of North America is both a flawed claimed-democracy, and a nation that locks up a million citizens because of religion andor ethnicity.

dv said:

say what again

Bad mother fucker.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

what authoritarian regime

are we talking about officials in a country that at least try to look like they’re preventing deadly and crippling infection spreading all over the population, even if the absence of massive leaks about concealed widespread death and disability might actually create that impression

what concern

are we talking about religious fanatics in a country that claims to separate church and state

what represent

You are drawing a false equivalence between flawed democracies and nations that lock up a million citizens because of their religion and ethnicity.

how is it a false equivalence that the Democratic People’s Republic of North America is both a flawed claimed-democracy, and a nation that locks up a million citizens because of religion andor ethnicity.

LOL

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we’ve crossed over into a dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call “The Twilight Zone”.

Oh, this thread has been lost there for a very long time.

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You are drawing a false equivalence between flawed democracies and nations that lock up a million citizens because of their religion and ethnicity.

how is it a false equivalence that the Democratic People’s Republic of North America is both a flawed claimed-democracy, and a nation that locks up a million citizens because of religion andor ethnicity.

LOL

all right fine then if you love them so much then why not at least support the idea of copying something good they do like supplying free N95+ masks to the population

buffy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think we’ve crossed over into a dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call “The Twilight Zone”.

Oh, this thread has been lost there for a very long time.

welcome and congratulations on finding your way here

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

how is it a false equivalence that the Democratic People’s Republic of North America is both a flawed claimed-democracy, and a nation that locks up a million citizens because of religion andor ethnicity.

LOL

all right fine then if you love them so much then why not at least support the idea of copying something good they do like supplying free N95+ masks to the population

and while we’re at it can we tell them to stop interfering in the internal affairs of “western” supposedly liberal supposedly democracies as well

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-07/ottawa-declares-state-of-emergency-over-covid-19-protests/100811988

thought exercise, possibly an alternate universe proposition, but consider that in australia endemic equilibrium had not been promoted, and influence from abroad to that end had been ignored, where would australia be today

and I mean anything that roughly might be considered endemic equilibrium, policies and programs to that end, ideas, notions, whatever, by whatever name, if it had one at all

Now that we’re doing Old Normal™ the sob stories begin but who cares ¿ We mean they should just fucking die for The Economy Must Grow® so can you all just shut up and deal with it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/underlying-health-conditions-omicron-outbreak/100792142

Laugh Out Loud

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/catching-covid-inspires-musician-to-get-vaccinated/100810624

oh wait it must be been us when last year our feed was filled with old school media articles about how stupid it was to require vaccination, seems like now it’s all about how it turned out to be a good idea

but nah nobody could have foreseen this

How Dare Athletes Care About Disease Prevention And Health

The Canadian women’s ice hockey team refused to take the ice for nearly an hour on Monday at the Beijing Winter Games while they waited for the Russian Olympic Committee’s (ROC) COVID-19 test results.

Six members of Russia’s squad were placed in isolation last week after testing positive for COVID-19

Canada went on to register a routine 6-1 win after players took the ice wearing masks due to “safety and security concerns”.

“Union wary of ADF coming into nursing homes

In case you missed it, the federal government is making up to 1,700 Australian Defence Force personnel available to assist in aged care homes to help address COVID outbreaks and ease staff shortages.

But Carolyn Smith from the United Workers Union is wary, saying exhausted staff have been promised plenty over the past few months:

“They were promised a vaccination program. They were promised PPE from the national stockpile.

“They were promised a surge workforce. They were promised a booster program.

“And none of these things have rolled out well.

“So I think aged care workers are going to have a bit of a, it’s welcome but we’ll wait and see if this is yet another broken promise.”“

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/covid-live-blog-latest-updates-omicron-rats-boosters/100811900

Michael V said:

“Union wary of ADF coming into nursing homes

In case you missed it, the federal government is making up to 1,700 Australian Defence Force personnel available to assist in aged care homes to help address COVID outbreaks and ease staff shortages.

But Carolyn Smith from the United Workers Union is wary, saying exhausted staff have been promised plenty over the past few months:

“They were promised a vaccination program. They were promised PPE from the national stockpile.

“They were promised a surge workforce. They were promised a booster program.

“And none of these things have rolled out well.

“So I think aged care workers are going to have a bit of a, it’s welcome but we’ll wait and see if this is yet another broken promise.”“

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/covid-live-blog-latest-updates-omicron-rats-boosters/100811900

we mean if you just get trusted operatives to execute some old fellas then it’s all right surely, quite justified really since they were getting confused agitated aggressive violent, not like it’s a war so it won’t even be a war crime

SCIENCE said:

Now that we’re doing Old Normal™ the sob stories begin but who cares ¿ We mean they should just fucking die for The Economy Must Grow® so can you all just shut up and deal with it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/underlying-health-conditions-omicron-outbreak/100792142

read that, wasn’t too bad for the ABC, if there were not a few endemiphiles in the ABC none of them would be too offended by that, their good work would not be undone

what the page does nothing toward though, is get near the bigger danger of endemic covid, not just nationally but globally, that as the cascade of endemic covid grows the mutation potential increases, and probably the capacity to prevent it declines

it doesn’t hint at the dangers of endemic covid the global program

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Union wary of ADF coming into nursing homes

In case you missed it, the federal government is making up to 1,700 Australian Defence Force personnel available to assist in aged care homes to help address COVID outbreaks and ease staff shortages.

But Carolyn Smith from the United Workers Union is wary, saying exhausted staff have been promised plenty over the past few months:

“They were promised a vaccination program. They were promised PPE from the national stockpile.

“They were promised a surge workforce. They were promised a booster program.

“And none of these things have rolled out well.

“So I think aged care workers are going to have a bit of a, it’s welcome but we’ll wait and see if this is yet another broken promise.”“

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/covid-live-blog-latest-updates-omicron-rats-boosters/100811900

we mean if you just get trusted operatives to execute some old fellas then it’s all right surely, quite justified really since they were getting confused agitated aggressive violent, not like it’s a war so it won’t even be a war crime

I think Australia’s fairly near a sort of endemicist fascism

everyone shall be completely vaccinated and nobody shall work against endemic covid

From the Canberra rally mob. :(

Spiny Norman said:

From the Canberra rally mob. :(

Their choice to infect others too I suppose….

Spiny Norman said:

From the Canberra rally mob. :(

There’s plague pits full of people who trusted their immune systems, because they simply had no other choice.

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

From the Canberra rally mob. :(

There’s plague pits full of people who trusted their immune systems, because they simply had no other choice.

:(

Spiny Norman said:

captain_spalding said:

Spiny Norman said:

From the Canberra rally mob. :(

There’s plague pits full of people who trusted their immune systems, because they simply had no other choice.

:(

Their choice not to get vaccinated.
Their choice not to wearing masks.
Their choice to not wash their hands.
Their choice to infect other people.

The ethics of choice and the juxtaposition of rights.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

WA recorded 13 new locally transmitted cases of COVID-19. There were also 52 new travel-related infections, with 41 recorded in interstate arrivals and 11 in overseas arrivals.

Spiny Norman said:

From the Canberra rally mob. :(

Passed a heap of them heading south on the freeway today. Razzed em good :)

JudgeMental said:

Yep. Great sentiment.

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Yep. Great sentiment.

so what we’re saying is masks don’t have any effect

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Yep. Great sentiment.

so what we’re saying is masks don’t have any effect

not on the ability of women athletes, apparently.

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has doubled down on comments he made last week comparing Western Australia to North Korea, saying the state’s hard border had divided the country “a bit like Korea is divided”.

SCIENCE said:

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has doubled down on comments he made last week comparing Western Australia to North Korea, saying the state’s hard border had divided the country “a bit like Korea is divided”.

why doesn’t he compare it to the situation in Ireland? I mean that would actually be a lot closer to the truth.

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has doubled down on comments he made last week comparing Western Australia to North Korea, saying the state’s hard border had divided the country “a bit like Korea is divided”.

why doesn’t he compare it to the situation in Ireland? I mean that would actually be a lot closer to the truth.

Because he’s Irish & doesn’t want to dis his country of birth.

Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has doubled down on comments he made last week comparing Western Australia to North Korea, saying the state’s hard border had divided the country “a bit like Korea is divided”.

why doesn’t he compare it to the situation in Ireland? I mean that would actually be a lot closer to the truth.

Because he’s Irish & doesn’t want to dis his country of birth.

yes, that was my point.

SCIENCE said:

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has doubled down on comments he made last week comparing Western Australia to North Korea, saying the state’s hard border had divided the country “a bit like Korea is divided”.

The plagiarist needs to get his own lines.

stomps off

White-tailed deer on Staten Island have become the first wild animals with documented Omicron infections. The coronavirus has now been found in deer in 15 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/health/omicron-deer-staten-island-covid.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0tOAk0RYIfXfvT__1_vMWjzBv49O1ui8Pf4c6pUnqtErmja6b2eqcRKTE

Doh! a dear…

Arts said:

White-tailed deer on Staten Island have become the first wild animals with documented Omicron infections. The coronavirus has now been found in deer in 15 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/health/omicron-deer-staten-island-covid.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0tOAk0RYIfXfvT__1_vMWjzBv49O1ui8Pf4c6pUnqtErmja6b2eqcRKTE

Doh! a dear…

Hmmm. SARS-Cov-2, the virus that keeps on giving…

The virus may have jumped from humans to mice, then back again to humans as Omicron.

Love your comment.

:)

Michael V said:

Arts said:

White-tailed deer on Staten Island have become the first wild animals with documented Omicron infections. The coronavirus has now been found in deer in 15 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/health/omicron-deer-staten-island-covid.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0tOAk0RYIfXfvT__1_vMWjzBv49O1ui8Pf4c6pUnqtErmja6b2eqcRKTE

Doh! a dear…

Hmmm. SARS-Cov-2, the virus that keeps on giving…

The virus may have jumped from humans to mice, then back again to humans as Omicron.

Love your comment.

:)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34954396/

I have read the entire paper, and the although the evidence is reasonable, it’s not overwhelmingly strong.

Arts said:

White-tailed deer on Staten Island have become the first wild animals with documented Omicron infections. The coronavirus has now been found in deer in 15 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/health/omicron-deer-staten-island-covid.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0tOAk0RYIfXfvT__1_vMWjzBv49O1ui8Pf4c6pUnqtErmja6b2eqcRKTE

Doh! a dear…

For the preprint, visit:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.04.479189v1

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From another commentary article:

“The new research isn’t the first time scientists have detected COVID-19 within animals, or even within deer.

Last November, scientists in Iowa reported that 80% of samples taken from white-tailed deer in the state tested positive for the coronavirus. Meanwhile, vets have discovered plentiful COVID-19 cases in pets, gathering enough data to conclude that cats are more susceptible than dogs.

There have been some cases in which mutations of the COVID-19 virus appear to have reinfected humans, after appearing in animals. In 2020 scientists reported a mutant strain of COVID-19 had passed from minks to humans, prompting mass culls of the animal. In Denmark, authorities slaughtered over 17 million farmed minks, to prevent the viral spread.

Last month, authorities in Hong Kong rounded up and killed 2,000 hamsters after discovering COVID in one of the rodents, sold at a local pet shop, and blaming hamster-to-human infection for a rise in local COVID cases.”

https://fortune.com/2022/02/08/omicron-infected-white-tail-deer-covid/

Michael V said:

Arts said:

White-tailed deer on Staten Island have become the first wild animals with documented Omicron infections. The coronavirus has now been found in deer in 15 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/health/omicron-deer-staten-island-covid.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0tOAk0RYIfXfvT__1_vMWjzBv49O1ui8Pf4c6pUnqtErmja6b2eqcRKTE

Doh! a dear…

For the preprint, visit:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.04.479189v1

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

From another commentary article:

“The new research isn’t the first time scientists have detected COVID-19 within animals, or even within deer.

Last November, scientists in Iowa reported that 80% of samples taken from white-tailed deer in the state tested positive for the coronavirus. Meanwhile, vets have discovered plentiful COVID-19 cases in pets, gathering enough data to conclude that cats are more susceptible than dogs.

There have been some cases in which mutations of the COVID-19 virus appear to have reinfected humans, after appearing in animals. In 2020 scientists reported a mutant strain of COVID-19 had passed from minks to humans, prompting mass culls of the animal. In Denmark, authorities slaughtered over 17 million farmed minks, to prevent the viral spread.

Last month, authorities in Hong Kong rounded up and killed 2,000 hamsters after discovering COVID in one of the rodents, sold at a local pet shop, and blaming hamster-to-human infection for a rise in local COVID cases.”

https://fortune.com/2022/02/08/omicron-infected-white-tail-deer-covid/

I remember reading early on about some zoo animals also testing positive… and here we were thinking we were all going to die because of global warming..

Arts said:

Michael V said:

Arts said:

White-tailed deer on Staten Island have become the first wild animals with documented Omicron infections. The coronavirus has now been found in deer in 15 states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/health/omicron-deer-staten-island-covid.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR0tOAk0RYIfXfvT__1_vMWjzBv49O1ui8Pf4c6pUnqtErmja6b2eqcRKTE

Doh! a dear…

For the preprint, visit:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.04.479189v1

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

From another commentary article:

“The new research isn’t the first time scientists have detected COVID-19 within animals, or even within deer.

Last November, scientists in Iowa reported that 80% of samples taken from white-tailed deer in the state tested positive for the coronavirus. Meanwhile, vets have discovered plentiful COVID-19 cases in pets, gathering enough data to conclude that cats are more susceptible than dogs.

There have been some cases in which mutations of the COVID-19 virus appear to have reinfected humans, after appearing in animals. In 2020 scientists reported a mutant strain of COVID-19 had passed from minks to humans, prompting mass culls of the animal. In Denmark, authorities slaughtered over 17 million farmed minks, to prevent the viral spread.

Last month, authorities in Hong Kong rounded up and killed 2,000 hamsters after discovering COVID in one of the rodents, sold at a local pet shop, and blaming hamster-to-human infection for a rise in local COVID cases.”

https://fortune.com/2022/02/08/omicron-infected-white-tail-deer-covid/

I remember reading early on about some zoo animals also testing positive… and here we were thinking we were all going to die because of global warming..

None of us are going to get out of here alive.

SCIENCE said:

Qantas boss Alan Joyce has doubled down on comments he made last week comparing Western Australia to North Korea, saying the state’s hard border had divided the country “a bit like Korea is divided”.

gives me a dry vagina, Alan does

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

N95+

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

right but that’s all the fault of the other states so

Arrivals at Perth Airport to receive rapid antigen tests as 14 new local WA COVID cases reported

if you’ve all got your quarantine properly set up, all good

SCIENCE said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

right but that’s all the fault of the other states so

Arrivals at Perth Airport to receive rapid antigen tests as 14 new local WA COVID cases reported

if you’ve all got your quarantine properly set up, all good

media hasn’t at all been chipping away at loyalty required to sustain zero covid, surely not, I haven’t seen anything that looked like inciting attitudes and behaviors that might lend to that, nothing at all

nobody shall work against endemic covid, not even geriatrics, any resistance or embarrassment to the program they might just get the army in

339,556 people are recorded as having been infected in QLD since the start of the pandemic.

Just five in this village this week, and eight more in Cooloola Cove and Tin Can Bay.

https://www.data.qld.gov.au/dataset/queensland-covid-19-case-line-list-location-source-of-infection/resource/1dbae506-d73c-4c19-b727-e8654b8be95a

‘Protects the nose, mouth, eyes’: Tasmanian government sends large adult masks to children

Masks that cover children’s entire faces were included in back-to-school Covid packs, but government insists junior sizes available

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/09/protects-the-nose-mouth-eyes-tasmanian-government-sends-large-adult-masks-to-children

Bubblecar said:

‘Protects the nose, mouth, eyes’: Tasmanian government sends large adult masks to children

Masks that cover children’s entire faces were included in back-to-school Covid packs, but government insists junior sizes available

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/09/protects-the-nose-mouth-eyes-tasmanian-government-sends-large-adult-masks-to-children

I saw some photos like this today. I get the width might be a problem (solveable by tying the loops together at the back of the head, but surely you just keep more of the folds in place, put the top at the top of the nose, and let it go under the chin if necessary.

Bubblecar said:

‘Protects the nose, mouth, eyes’: Tasmanian government sends large adult masks to children

Masks that cover children’s entire faces were included in back-to-school Covid packs, but government insists junior sizes available

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/09/protects-the-nose-mouth-eyes-tasmanian-government-sends-large-adult-masks-to-children

Looks like one of the Inka child mummies from the high mountains of Peru

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

‘Protects the nose, mouth, eyes’: Tasmanian government sends large adult masks to children

Masks that cover children’s entire faces were included in back-to-school Covid packs, but government insists junior sizes available

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/09/protects-the-nose-mouth-eyes-tasmanian-government-sends-large-adult-masks-to-children

Looks like one of the Inka child mummies from the high mountains of Peru

remember when wearing clothing on the head was child abuse, but nasally raping them twice a week so that Schools Must Stay Open For The Economy Must Grow was love

I have a person in the house behind me coughing very loudly and badly like he is going to spew up.

Perhaps he is one of the local COVID cases. Sixteen in the last fortnight here. (Village = 1000-odd people.) Neighbour two doors down got COVID before Christmas.

interesting, this genius suggests that a lower level of death is preferred, and yet conveniently forgets to model for the level of death that would be achieved if the border did not reopen until December 2032 when everyone has had 23 vaccinations and the virus has become truly endemically mild and therapeutics are not only dirt cheap but also as effective as HIV treatment and everyone is wearing PAPRs and all the old and weak have already been culled by fascist murderers using other means

The modelling shows a relatively small increase in numbers if the border opened in either March, April or May. Over that three-month period, the total number of hospitalisations for the Omicron outbreak would increase from 2,932 to 3,203, ICU admissions from 293 to 320 and deaths 383 to 421 depending on which month the border re-opens.

Professor Milne said if the Premier waited beyond May to reopen, the impact would become increasingly unmanageable. He calculated that if the border opened on June 5, there would be a total of 478 deaths, 360 ICU admissions, 3,603 hospital admissions, and more than 885,352 cases during the Omicron outbreak in WA.

The modelling shows a relatively small increase in numbers if the border opened in either March, April or May. Over that three-month period, the total number of hospitalisations for the Omicron outbreak would increase from 2,932 to 3,203, ICU admissions from 293 to 320 and deaths 383 to 421 depending on which month the border re-opens. “However, if the border opens from June onwards, the number of cases, people hospitalised and ending up in ICU steadily increases month by month to the point where ICU facilities may well be overwhelmed.

Professor Milne said the reason the Omicron impact grew each month was because vaccine immunity would start declining around the middle of the year before dropping rapidly, making the population more susceptible to the virus. According to the modelling, if the border did not re-open until September, there would be 644 deaths overall, 478 ICU admissions, 4,782 hospital admissions and a total of 1,107,195 confirmed cases.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-09/new-omicron-modelling-released-y-uw-professor/100816466

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/tga-provisionally-approves-astrazeneca-booster-vaccine-adults/100818398

I don’t understand this. Weeks ago Mr buffy was told he could AZ it. And there was a piece in the ABC news that mentioned you could request it at least a month ago.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/tga-provisionally-approves-astrazeneca-booster-vaccine-adults/100818398

I don’t understand this. Weeks ago Mr buffy was told he could AZ it. And there was a piece in the ABC news that mentioned you could request it at least a month ago.

I thought so…this page was updated 31 Jan. I suspect that was the time they brought the booster timing back to 3 months.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-guidance/clinical-recommendations#booster-dose-recommendations-

and it says:

A single COVID-19 vaccine booster dose is recommended for people aged ≥18 years who completed their primary course 3 or more months ago.

Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are the preferred vaccines for this booster dose, regardless of which vaccine was used for the primary course. Although not preferred, AstraZeneca can also be used as a booster dose for:

people who have received AstraZeneca for their first 2 doses if there are no contraindications or precautions for use. If a significant adverse reaction has occurred after a previous mRNA vaccine dose which contraindicates further doses of mRNA vaccine (e.g., anaphylaxis, myocarditis).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/pharmacist-pay-disparity-child-vaccination/100800400

More poor Fed planning.

It’s Official¡ Children Should Catch COVID-19 As Early And As Often As They Can For

• Natural Immunity™
• More Time Off School, Despite All Idiots Claiming They Should Be Permanently On Campus
• Less Symptoms Than Before Catching COVID-19
• Better Quality Of Life
• Mood Stability
• Correcting Sleep Deprivation Eye Shadow
• Prettier Fingers And Toes
• A Better Tan

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(22)00004-9/fulltext

representative democracy

Heart problems surge in COVID patients up to 12 months after infection

A massive analysis of health records has revealed recovered COVID-19 patients are at a significantly higher risk of cardiovascular complications in the year following an acute infection. The new findings, published in Nature Medicine, showed COVID-19 survivors were 55 percent more likely to experience a serious cardiovascular event after recovering.

“We wanted to build upon our past research on COVID’s long-term effects by taking a closer look at what’s happening in people’s hearts,” explained Ziyad Al-Aly, senior author on the new study from Washington University. “What we’re seeing isn’t good. COVID-19 can lead to serious cardiovascular complications and death. The heart does not regenerate or easily mend after heart damage. These are diseases that will affect people for a lifetime.”

More detail:
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/heart-cardiovascular-long-covid-disease/

PermeateFree said:

Heart problems surge in COVID patients up to 12 months after infection

A massive analysis of health records has revealed recovered COVID-19 patients are at a significantly higher risk of cardiovascular complications in the year following an acute infection. The new findings, published in Nature Medicine, showed COVID-19 survivors were 55 percent more likely to experience a serious cardiovascular event after recovering.

“We wanted to build upon our past research on COVID’s long-term effects by taking a closer look at what’s happening in people’s hearts,” explained Ziyad Al-Aly, senior author on the new study from Washington University. “What we’re seeing isn’t good. COVID-19 can lead to serious cardiovascular complications and death. The heart does not regenerate or easily mend after heart damage. These are diseases that will affect people for a lifetime.”

More detail:
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/heart-cardiovascular-long-covid-disease/

From the link:
“Al-Aly pointed out that risks of cardiovascular events were higher in those with pre-existing heart conditions and those suffering from more severe COVID-19.”

We now need to know if this is a general finding for colds and ‘flu, ie do respiratory tract viral infections generally increase heart problems? It might not be just this particular virus. It is true for ‘flu (I looked it up after I questioned it)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211015184212.htm

Oh, and it’s old news. A 2003 paper:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.0000102380.47012.92

“Infectious agents have been implicated in the etiology of atherosclerosis and its complications since the early 1900s.3 Clinicians have long noticed that ≈30% of myocardial infarctions (MIs) are preceded by an upper respiratory infection.”

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

The majority of those cases are travellers in quarantine. Community cases not yet at 50…

buffy said:

Oh, and it’s old news. A 2003 paper:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.0000102380.47012.92

“Infectious agents have been implicated in the etiology of atherosclerosis and its complications since the early 1900s.3 Clinicians have long noticed that ≈30% of myocardial infarctions (MIs) are preceded by an upper respiratory infection.”

Not old information, but additional information.

furious said:

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

The majority of those cases are travellers in quarantine. Community cases not yet at 50…

I hope so, but from what I noted in the other states the numbers just kept on increasing for a week or three.

Spiny Norman said:

furious said:

Spiny Norman said:

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

The majority of those cases are travellers in quarantine. Community cases not yet at 50…

I hope so, but from what I noted in the other states the numbers just kept on increasing for a week or three.

There has been a jump though, up to 37 community cases today where previously it was hovering in the teens/ twenties…

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Oh, and it’s old news. A 2003 paper:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.0000102380.47012.92

“Infectious agents have been implicated in the etiology of atherosclerosis and its complications since the early 1900s.3 Clinicians have long noticed that ≈30% of myocardial infarctions (MIs) are preceded by an upper respiratory infection.”

Not old information, but additional information.

I’ve just skimmed the paper referenced in your link:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3

I see what they did, and they seem to have had a goodly number of subjects etc. But I can’t even see a nod to the knowledge that we’ve known for a long time that respiratory tract infections can bump up your cardiovascular risk. I think it is an important piece of information that should have been included in the writeup.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Oh, and it’s old news. A 2003 paper:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.0000102380.47012.92

“Infectious agents have been implicated in the etiology of atherosclerosis and its complications since the early 1900s.3 Clinicians have long noticed that ≈30% of myocardial infarctions (MIs) are preceded by an upper respiratory infection.”

Not old information, but additional information.

I’ve just skimmed the paper referenced in your link:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3

I see what they did, and they seem to have had a goodly number of subjects etc. But I can’t even see a nod to the knowledge that we’ve known for a long time that respiratory tract infections can bump up your cardiovascular risk. I think it is an important piece of information that should have been included in the writeup.

Science builds on older research, just because the concept was known or hypothesized long ago, it does not mean it supersedes or is equivalent to newer research, especially on a disease that was not in existence in 2003.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

Not old information, but additional information.

I’ve just skimmed the paper referenced in your link:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3

I see what they did, and they seem to have had a goodly number of subjects etc. But I can’t even see a nod to the knowledge that we’ve known for a long time that respiratory tract infections can bump up your cardiovascular risk. I think it is an important piece of information that should have been included in the writeup.

Science builds on older research, just because the concept was known or hypothesized long ago, it does not mean it supersedes or is equivalent to newer research, especially on a disease that was not in existence in 2003.

Science needs to acknowledge previous knowledge. In this case, something like ‘’‘we knew there was a risk, so we thought we should see how it’s going with the latest iteration of a respiratory tract virus” (of course, in academic speak, not quite like that). The way it is written seems to imply that there was no previous inkling of a problem.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

I’ve just skimmed the paper referenced in your link:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3

I see what they did, and they seem to have had a goodly number of subjects etc. But I can’t even see a nod to the knowledge that we’ve known for a long time that respiratory tract infections can bump up your cardiovascular risk. I think it is an important piece of information that should have been included in the writeup.

Science builds on older research, just because the concept was known or hypothesized long ago, it does not mean it supersedes or is equivalent to newer research, especially on a disease that was not in existence in 2003.

Science needs to acknowledge previous knowledge. In this case, something like ‘’‘we knew there was a risk, so we thought we should see how it’s going with the latest iteration of a respiratory tract virus” (of course, in academic speak, not quite like that). The way it is written seems to imply that there was no previous inkling of a problem.

I did say “Science builds on older research” and related research matters usually do. I do not know why they omitted the research you think should be included, as I would doubt that they did not know about it. Perhaps the thrust of their paper was about long-term Covid-19 and so not directly related and therefore was not included, but no matter how you look at it, it is NOT OLD NEWS.

PermeateFree said:

Heart problems surge in COVID patients up to 12 months after infection

A massive analysis of health records has revealed recovered COVID-19 patients are at a significantly higher risk of cardiovascular complications in the year following an acute infection. The new findings, published in Nature Medicine, showed COVID-19 survivors were 55 percent more likely to experience a serious cardiovascular event after recovering.

“We wanted to build upon our past research on COVID’s long-term effects by taking a closer look at what’s happening in people’s hearts,” explained Ziyad Al-Aly, senior author on the new study from Washington University. “What we’re seeing isn’t good. COVID-19 can lead to serious cardiovascular complications and death. The heart does not regenerate or easily mend after heart damage. These are diseases that will affect people for a lifetime.”

More detail:
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/heart-cardiovascular-long-covid-disease/

Not a Good Thing.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

Heart problems surge in COVID patients up to 12 months after infection

A massive analysis of health records has revealed recovered COVID-19 patients are at a significantly higher risk of cardiovascular complications in the year following an acute infection. The new findings, published in Nature Medicine, showed COVID-19 survivors were 55 percent more likely to experience a serious cardiovascular event after recovering.

“We wanted to build upon our past research on COVID’s long-term effects by taking a closer look at what’s happening in people’s hearts,” explained Ziyad Al-Aly, senior author on the new study from Washington University. “What we’re seeing isn’t good. COVID-19 can lead to serious cardiovascular complications and death. The heart does not regenerate or easily mend after heart damage. These are diseases that will affect people for a lifetime.”

More detail:
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/heart-cardiovascular-long-covid-disease/

Oh, and it’s old news. A 2003 paper:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.cir.0000102380.47012.92

“Infectious agents have been implicated in the etiology of atherosclerosis and its complications since the early 1900s.3 Clinicians have long noticed that ≈30% of myocardial infarctions (MIs) are preceded by an upper respiratory infection.”

Science builds on older research, just because the concept was known or hypothesized long ago, it does not mean it supersedes or is equivalent to newer research, especially on a disease that was not in existence in 2003.

Science needs to acknowledge previous knowledge. In this case, something like ‘’‘we knew there was a risk, so we thought we should see how it’s going with the latest iteration of a respiratory tract virus” (of course, in academic speak, not quite like that). The way it is written seems to imply that there was no previous inkling of a problem.

I did say “Science builds on older research” and related research matters usually do. I do not know why they omitted the research you think should be included, as I would doubt that they did not know about it. Perhaps the thrust of their paper was about long-term Covid-19 and so not directly related and therefore was not included, but no matter how you look at it, it is NOT OLD NEWS.

we don’t need anything actually but we guess if we wanted to pretend to be less alarmist then we’d read “55 percent more likely” as opposed to saying “triples the rate at which respiratory disease is claimed to trigger heart attacks” but each to their own hey

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Science needs to acknowledge previous knowledge. In this case, something like ‘’‘we knew there was a risk, so we thought we should see how it’s going with the latest iteration of a respiratory tract virus” (of course, in academic speak, not quite like that). The way it is written seems to imply that there was no previous inkling of a problem.

I did say “Science builds on older research” and related research matters usually do. I do not know why they omitted the research you think should be included, as I would doubt that they did not know about it. Perhaps the thrust of their paper was about long-term Covid-19 and so not directly related and therefore was not included, but no matter how you look at it, it is NOT OLD NEWS.

we don’t need anything actually but we guess if we wanted to pretend to be less alarmist then we’d read “55 percent more likely” as opposed to saying “triples the rate at which respiratory disease is claimed to trigger heart attacks” but each to their own hey

It is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet. But be warned they are not going away and are very likely to have even more serious consequences a little further down the track. And to be frank, with our attitude, we deserve all we get.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

I did say “Science builds on older research” and related research matters usually do. I do not know why they omitted the research you think should be included, as I would doubt that they did not know about it. Perhaps the thrust of their paper was about long-term Covid-19 and so not directly related and therefore was not included, but no matter how you look at it, it is NOT OLD NEWS.

we don’t need anything actually but we guess if we wanted to pretend to be less alarmist then we’d read “55 percent more likely” as opposed to saying “triples the rate at which respiratory disease is claimed to trigger heart attacks” but each to their own hey

It is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet. But be warned they are not going away and are very likely to have even more serious consequences a little further down the track. And to be frank, with our attitude, we deserve all we get.

so we agree that our approach of reminding people just how bad it is, is more valuable

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

we don’t need anything actually but we guess if we wanted to pretend to be less alarmist then we’d read “55 percent more likely” as opposed to saying “triples the rate at which respiratory disease is claimed to trigger heart attacks” but each to their own hey

It is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet. But be warned they are not going away and are very likely to have even more serious consequences a little further down the track. And to be frank, with our attitude, we deserve all we get.

so we agree that our approach of reminding people just how bad it is, is more valuable

Would you mind rephrasing your statement to make it less ambiguous?

SCIENCE said:

reminding people just how bad it is

sorry we take that back, we have good news for everyone

¡ it turns out that Omicron must really be intrinsically mild, rather than less deadly outcomes being due to the development of more effective treatment medications

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.07.479306v1

because (this is the best part of the news) those effective treatment medications aren’t actually working on it ¡

BA.2 also exhibited marked resistance to 17 of 19 neutralizing monoclonal antibodies tested, including S309 (sotrovimab)7, which had retained appreciable activity against BA.1 and BA.1+R346K2-4,6 . This new finding shows that no presently approved or authorized monoclonal antibody therapy could adequately cover all sublineages of the Omicron variant.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

I did say “Science builds on older research” and related research matters usually do. I do not know why they omitted the research you think should be included, as I would doubt that they did not know about it. Perhaps the thrust of their paper was about long-term Covid-19 and so not directly related and therefore was not included, but no matter how you look at it, it is NOT OLD NEWS.

we don’t need anything actually but we guess if we wanted to pretend to be less alarmist then we’d read “55 percent more likely” as opposed to saying “triples the rate at which respiratory disease is claimed to trigger heart attacks” but each to their own hey

It is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet. But be warned they are not going away and are very likely to have even more serious consequences a little further down the track. And to be frank, with our attitude, we deserve all we get.

so we agree that our approach of reminding people just how bad it is, is more valuable

Would you mind rephrasing your statement to make it less ambiguous?

Sorry.

You say that it is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet.

We have been trying to remind people just how bad things are.

This is because we agree that being properly informed, rather than having problems made light of, is more valuable.

Yes.

Fully Vaccinated Rate In Australia Set To Drop By 70%

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/fully-covid-vaccinated-two-doses-atagi-advice/100821406

Australia’s definition of being fully vaccinated against COVID-19 is set to change, with people aged over 16 years now only considered “up to date” with their vaccinations if they have had their booster shots. The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) has recommended moving away from the term “fully vaccinated”. ATAGI’s new advice was endorsed by the national cabinet at a meeting this afternoon, but will not apply to international travellers arriving in Australia.

“A person is ‘up to date’ if they have completed all the doses recommended for their age and individual health needs,” Health Minister Greg Hunt said.

Under the new rules, if it has been longer than six months since someone’s last vaccine dose and they are eligible for a booster they will now be considered “overdue”. All Australians aged over 16 years are currently eligible for a booster shot three months after their primary course. “People under 16 years of age will continue to be considered ‘up to date’ after completing their primary course of vaccination, while severely immunocompromised people aged five years and older require a third primary dose to remain up to date,” Mr Hunt said.

ATAGI had flagged it was considering changing the way it refers to COVID vaccinations, saying last month the term “fully vaccinated” could be confusing.

—

ahahahahahaha

SCIENCE said:

Fully Vaccinated Rate In Australia Set To Drop By 70%

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/fully-covid-vaccinated-two-doses-atagi-advice/100821406

Australia’s definition of being fully vaccinated against COVID-19 is set to change, with people aged over 16 years now only considered “up to date” with their vaccinations if they have had their booster shots. The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) has recommended moving away from the term “fully vaccinated”. ATAGI’s new advice was endorsed by the national cabinet at a meeting this afternoon, but will not apply to international travellers arriving in Australia.

“A person is ‘up to date’ if they have completed all the doses recommended for their age and individual health needs,” Health Minister Greg Hunt said.

Under the new rules, if it has been longer than six months since someone’s last vaccine dose and they are eligible for a booster they will now be considered “overdue”. All Australians aged over 16 years are currently eligible for a booster shot three months after their primary course. “People under 16 years of age will continue to be considered ‘up to date’ after completing their primary course of vaccination, while severely immunocompromised people aged five years and older require a third primary dose to remain up to date,” Mr Hunt said.

ATAGI had flagged it was considering changing the way it refers to COVID vaccinations, saying last month the term “fully vaccinated” could be confusing.

ahahahahahaha

sorry fixed the blockquoting

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

so we agree that our approach of reminding people just how bad it is, is more valuable

Would you mind rephrasing your statement to make it less ambiguous?

Sorry.

You say that it is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet.

We have been trying to remind people just how bad things are.

This is because we agree that being properly informed, rather than having problems made light of, is more valuable.

Yes.

I had hoped that it would have had a much larger impact that that. By informing people, and being suitably concerned they then might develop a matching attitude to discuss it with others, rather than just throwing the information into the ‘read that box,’ now what else is there to titillate my interest.

We are on the edge of a cliff and we need to change direction to prevent us falling over, but we are prevented by labeling those who try, as extremists and that it is nowhere near as bad. But sorry, it is as serious as it can be! The main ones trying to do something are the young and they are largely powerless and we let those despicable individuals belittle and degrade their justified concerns. We should be right behind them, not looking from the side with amusement. Nobody is saying you should rise up in revolution, but change your attitude and change other peoples attitude that things are very serious and will not even wait for 2050, let alone the end of the century.

I don’t post these articles on environmental concerns for my amusement, I do so to keep you informed, so you can talk amongst yourselves and others. I don’t write these articles they are all taken from the scientific work of people who have studied the situation, often for many years and any scientist studying environmental matters have much the same idea that we are going downhill very fast. So do you want to go down too, or try to fight back if only for the sake of your family?

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Would you mind rephrasing your statement to make it less ambiguous?

Sorry.

You say that it is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet.

We have been trying to remind people just how bad things are.

This is because we agree that being properly informed, rather than having problems made light of, is more valuable.

Yes.

I had hoped that it would have had a much larger impact that that. By informing people, and being suitably concerned they then might develop a matching attitude to discuss it with others, rather than just throwing the information into the ‘read that box,’ now what else is there to titillate my interest.

We are on the edge of a cliff and we need to change direction to prevent us falling over, but we are prevented by labeling those who try, as extremists and that it is nowhere near as bad. But sorry, it is as serious as it can be! The main ones trying to do something are the young and they are largely powerless and we let those despicable individuals belittle and degrade their justified concerns. We should be right behind them, not looking from the side with amusement. Nobody is saying you should rise up in revolution, but change your attitude and change other peoples attitude that things are very serious and will not even wait for 2050, let alone the end of the century.

I don’t post these articles on environmental concerns for my amusement, I do so to keep you informed, so you can talk amongst yourselves and others. I don’t write these articles they are all taken from the scientific work of people who have studied the situation, often for many years and any scientist studying environmental matters have much the same idea that we are going downhill very fast. So do you want to go down too, or try to fight back if only for the sake of your family?

I’ve been fighting since I was a teenager. I’m tired and worn out now.

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

Sorry.

You say that it is easy to see why the world is in such a mess, when we think it clever to make light of the plethora of problems besetting life on this planet.

We have been trying to remind people just how bad things are.

This is because we agree that being properly informed, rather than having problems made light of, is more valuable.

Yes.

I had hoped that it would have had a much larger impact that that. By informing people, and being suitably concerned they then might develop a matching attitude to discuss it with others, rather than just throwing the information into the ‘read that box,’ now what else is there to titillate my interest.

We are on the edge of a cliff and we need to change direction to prevent us falling over, but we are prevented by labeling those who try, as extremists and that it is nowhere near as bad. But sorry, it is as serious as it can be! The main ones trying to do something are the young and they are largely powerless and we let those despicable individuals belittle and degrade their justified concerns. We should be right behind them, not looking from the side with amusement. Nobody is saying you should rise up in revolution, but change your attitude and change other peoples attitude that things are very serious and will not even wait for 2050, let alone the end of the century.

I don’t post these articles on environmental concerns for my amusement, I do so to keep you informed, so you can talk amongst yourselves and others. I don’t write these articles they are all taken from the scientific work of people who have studied the situation, often for many years and any scientist studying environmental matters have much the same idea that we are going downhill very fast. So do you want to go down too, or try to fight back if only for the sake of your family?

I’ve been fighting since I was a teenager. I’m tired and worn out now.

If that is the common attitude and I guess it would be or something similar, then there is little or no hope.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

I had hoped that it would have had a much larger impact that that. By informing people, and being suitably concerned they then might develop a matching attitude to discuss it with others, rather than just throwing the information into the ‘read that box,’ now what else is there to titillate my interest.

We are on the edge of a cliff and we need to change direction to prevent us falling over, but we are prevented by labeling those who try, as extremists and that it is nowhere near as bad. But sorry, it is as serious as it can be! The main ones trying to do something are the young and they are largely powerless and we let those despicable individuals belittle and degrade their justified concerns. We should be right behind them, not looking from the side with amusement. Nobody is saying you should rise up in revolution, but change your attitude and change other peoples attitude that things are very serious and will not even wait for 2050, let alone the end of the century.

I don’t post these articles on environmental concerns for my amusement, I do so to keep you informed, so you can talk amongst yourselves and others. I don’t write these articles they are all taken from the scientific work of people who have studied the situation, often for many years and any scientist studying environmental matters have much the same idea that we are going downhill very fast. So do you want to go down too, or try to fight back if only for the sake of your family?

I’ve been fighting since I was a teenager. I’m tired and worn out now.

If that is the common attitude and I guess it would be or something similar, then there is little or no hope.

^ ^^

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-10/busselton-anti-mandate-pro-choice-meeting-concerns/100821276

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

I had hoped that it would have had a much larger impact that that. By informing people, and being suitably concerned they then might develop a matching attitude to discuss it with others, rather than just throwing the information into the ‘read that box,’ now what else is there to titillate my interest.

We are on the edge of a cliff and we need to change direction to prevent us falling over, but we are prevented by labeling those who try, as extremists and that it is nowhere near as bad. But sorry, it is as serious as it can be! The main ones trying to do something are the young and they are largely powerless and we let those despicable individuals belittle and degrade their justified concerns. We should be right behind them, not looking from the side with amusement. Nobody is saying you should rise up in revolution, but change your attitude and change other peoples attitude that things are very serious and will not even wait for 2050, let alone the end of the century.

I don’t post these articles on environmental concerns for my amusement, I do so to keep you informed, so you can talk amongst yourselves and others. I don’t write these articles they are all taken from the scientific work of people who have studied the situation, often for many years and any scientist studying environmental matters have much the same idea that we are going downhill very fast. So do you want to go down too, or try to fight back if only for the sake of your family?

I’ve been fighting since I was a teenager. I’m tired and worn out now.

If that is the common attitude and I guess it would be or something similar, then there is little or no hope.

I do my bit, but I don’t fight any more. Some people see me doing my bit and take up some ideas.

Apparently These Fucking Supposedly-DPRNA Sellouts Now Want CHINA CHINA CHINA And ZeroCOVID In CHINA ¡¿

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-08/what-china-s-covid-zero-policy-means-for-world-supply-chains-and-inflation

SCIENCE said:

Apparently These Fucking Supposedly-DPRNA Sellouts Now Want CHINA CHINA CHINA And ZeroCOVID In CHINA ¡¿

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-08/what-china-s-covid-zero-policy-means-for-world-supply-chains-and-inflation

China’s COVID statistics are completely unreliable anyway. You can’t trust anything they say. They are nowhere near zero. The lockdown they are pursuing now are nothing more than a sham to protect the winter sports event that is currently going on.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Apparently These Fucking Supposedly-DPRNA Sellouts Now Want CHINA CHINA CHINA And ZeroCOVID In CHINA ¡¿

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-08/what-china-s-covid-zero-policy-means-for-world-supply-chains-and-inflation

China’s COVID statistics are completely unreliable anyway. You can’t trust anything they say. They are nowhere near zero. The lockdown they are pursuing now are nothing more than a sham to protect the winter sports event that is currently going on.

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Apparently These Fucking Supposedly-DPRNA Sellouts Now Want CHINA CHINA CHINA And ZeroCOVID In CHINA ¡¿

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-08/what-china-s-covid-zero-policy-means-for-world-supply-chains-and-inflation

China’s COVID statistics are completely unreliable anyway. You can’t trust anything they say. They are nowhere near zero. The lockdown they are pursuing now are nothing more than a sham to protect the winter sports event that is currently going on.

Let’s get some real figures out of China first. it is strange how the extent of China’s lies have not been challenged in the media.

China’s official tally is about four and a half thousand deaths, most of them in Wuhan in the early days, and around a hundred or two elsewhere in the countries. There are reports of crematoria in Wuhan “using” an additional 45,000 urns during the period. Also pictures of queues of people outside waiting hours to collect the urns of their loved ones. There are credible estimates of over 1 million deaths in China throughout the pandemic. So let’s see the real figures first and then we’ll decide if their containment efforts are working or not.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

China’s COVID statistics are completely unreliable anyway. You can’t trust anything they say. They are nowhere near zero. The lockdown they are pursuing now are nothing more than a sham to protect the winter sports event that is currently going on.

Let’s get some real figures out of China first. it is strange how the extent of China’s lies have not been challenged in the media.

China’s official tally is about four and a half thousand deaths, most of them in Wuhan in the early days, and around a hundred or two elsewhere in the countries. There are reports of crematoria in Wuhan “using” an additional 45,000 urns during the period. Also pictures of queues of people outside waiting hours to collect the urns of their loved ones. There are credible estimates of over 1 million deaths in China throughout the pandemic. So let’s see the real figures first and then we’ll decide if their containment efforts are working or not.

Don’t believe anything a communist tells you.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s get some real figures out of China first. it is strange how the extent of China’s lies have not been challenged in the media.

China’s official tally is about four and a half thousand deaths, most of them in Wuhan in the early days, and around a hundred or two elsewhere in the countries. There are reports of crematoria in Wuhan “using” an additional 45,000 urns during the period. Also pictures of queues of people outside waiting hours to collect the urns of their loved ones. There are credible estimates of over 1 million deaths in China throughout the pandemic. So let’s see the real figures first and then we’ll decide if their containment efforts are working or not.

Don’t believe anything a communist tells you.

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

Link

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s get some real figures out of China first. it is strange how the extent of China’s lies have not been challenged in the media.

China’s official tally is about four and a half thousand deaths, most of them in Wuhan in the early days, and around a hundred or two elsewhere in the countries. There are reports of crematoria in Wuhan “using” an additional 45,000 urns during the period. Also pictures of queues of people outside waiting hours to collect the urns of their loved ones. There are credible estimates of over 1 million deaths in China throughout the pandemic. So let’s see the real figures first and then we’ll decide if their containment efforts are working or not.

Don’t believe anything a communist tells you.

authoritarian regime

(China is not even remotely communist. Nor is Russia. They are examples of oligarchic party-state capitalism. Don’t be confused by the names).

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Let’s get some real figures out of China first. it is strange how the extent of China’s lies have not been challenged in the media.

China’s official tally is about four and a half thousand deaths, most of them in Wuhan in the early days, and around a hundred or two elsewhere in the countries. There are reports of crematoria in Wuhan “using” an additional 45,000 urns during the period. Also pictures of queues of people outside waiting hours to collect the urns of their loved ones. There are credible estimates of over 1 million deaths in China throughout the pandemic. So let’s see the real figures first and then we’ll decide if their containment efforts are working or not.

Don’t believe anything a communist tells you.

a conspiracy of chinese loyalty, some conversion of loyalties plural into loyalty singular

the more liberal countries only do that during wartime, hope it doesn’t come to that

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Apparently These Fucking Supposedly-DPRNA Sellouts Now Want CHINA CHINA CHINA And ZeroCOVID In CHINA ¡¿

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-08/what-china-s-covid-zero-policy-means-for-world-supply-chains-and-inflation

China’s COVID statistics are completely unreliable anyway. You can’t trust anything they say. They are nowhere near zero. The lockdown they are pursuing now are nothing more than a sham to protect the winter sports event that is currently going on.

‘The Economist’ this week had a lengthy article about excess deaths during covid with totals for almost all countries. China was however inexpicibly absent. Dunno what that implies though.

Went to town Monday.. made two stops.. pinged twice

Tikit plis

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Let’s get some real figures out of China first. it is strange how the extent of China’s lies have not been challenged in the media.

China’s official tally is about four and a half thousand deaths, most of them in Wuhan in the early days, and around a hundred or two elsewhere in the countries. There are reports of crematoria in Wuhan “using” an additional 45,000 urns during the period. Also pictures of queues of people outside waiting hours to collect the urns of their loved ones. There are credible estimates of over 1 million deaths in China throughout the pandemic. So let’s see the real figures first and then we’ll decide if their containment efforts are working or not.

Don’t believe anything a communist tells you.

authoritarian regime

(China is not even remotely communist. Nor is Russia. They are examples of oligarchic party-state capitalism. Don’t be confused by the names).

Like PRWA

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

Apparently These Fucking Supposedly-DPRNA Sellouts Now Want CHINA CHINA CHINA And ZeroCOVID In CHINA ¡¿

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-08/what-china-s-covid-zero-policy-means-for-world-supply-chains-and-inflation

China’s COVID statistics are completely unreliable anyway. You can’t trust anything they say. They are nowhere near zero. The lockdown they are pursuing now are nothing more than a sham to protect the winter sports event that is currently going on.

‘The Economist’ this week had a lengthy article about excess deaths during covid with totals for almost all countries. China was however inexpicibly absent. Dunno what that implies though.

They’ve probably been fact-checked corrected hacked infiltrated by CHINA agents.

Shi paused and drew a sharp breath. Her body tensed, blood flushing her cheeks. The air swelled and seemed to grow hotter. “They’ve lost the moral high ground as far as I’m concerned,” she said. And if politics overpowers science, “then there will be no basis for any cooperation.”

Recent Cochrane review on

Measures implemented in the school setting to contain the COVID‐19 pandemic

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015029/full#CD015029-abs-0002

For a simple read, go to the Plain Language Summary. For a really long read…there are pages and pages of it.

buffy said:

Recent Cochrane review on

Measures implemented in the school setting to contain the COVID‐19 pandemic

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015029/full#CD015029-abs-0002

For a simple read, go to the Plain Language Summary. For a really long read…there are pages and pages of it.

In convoluted and ornate language?

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Recent Cochrane review on

Measures implemented in the school setting to contain the COVID‐19 pandemic

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015029/full#CD015029-abs-0002

For a simple read, go to the Plain Language Summary. For a really long read…there are pages and pages of it.

In convoluted and ornate language?

Just research/academic language. When you are reviewing lots of research and trying to work out what it says, sometimes it’s difficult not to be longwinded. Cochrane look at all the research on a topic and then produce a summary of it and appraise if the research is good or not.

And the latest news from the Canberra protestors ….

(It might be taking the piss, but it’s difficult to tell satire from reality these days)

Second son got the Rona this week. Double vaxxed but not boosterd

Aches, pains, nausia and dribbly bum for 3 days.

Sequestered away in the spare room. His wife is Rona free as of this morning. 5 mth old baby was free as of his day 2 isolation. Yet to be tested again. She will get another PCR done on his day 7.

He said it hasn’t been the end of the world but definately nsomething he wouldn’t like to go through again. 2 out of 10 score.

I am boostered, as of today!

captain_spalding said:

I am boostered, as of today!

Huzzah!

captain_spalding said:

I am boostered, as of today!

Good work.

Which one did you get?

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Second son got the Rona this week. Double vaxxed but not boosterd

Aches, pains, nausia and dribbly bum for 3 days.

Sequestered away in the spare room. His wife is Rona free as of this morning. 5 mth old baby was free as of his day 2 isolation. Yet to be tested again. She will get another PCR done on his day 7.

He said it hasn’t been the end of the world but definately nsomething he wouldn’t like to go through again. 2 out of 10 score.

Damn. Good luck to the rest of the kinfolk.

captain_spalding said:

I am boostered, as of today!

I went down to the umm….the high street to get boosted today and all, well the three apothecarys I went to, said they give boosters on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
You’d think one would do Wednesdays and Fridays.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

I am boostered, as of today!

I went down to the umm….the high street to get boosted today and all, well the three apothecarys I went to, said they give boosters on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
You’d think one would do Wednesdays and Fridays.

They probably get their deliveries on the same day. Logistically, it makes sense…

476 cases in NZ today. :(

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Second son got the Rona this week. Double vaxxed but not boosterd

Aches, pains, nausia and dribbly bum for 3 days.

Sequestered away in the spare room. His wife is Rona free as of this morning. 5 mth old baby was free as of his day 2 isolation. Yet to be tested again. She will get another PCR done on his day 7.

He said it hasn’t been the end of the world but definately nsomething he wouldn’t like to go through again. 2 out of 10 score.

Bummer.

Michael V said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Second son got the Rona this week. Double vaxxed but not boosterd

Aches, pains, nausia and dribbly bum for 3 days.

Sequestered away in the spare room. His wife is Rona free as of this morning. 5 mth old baby was free as of his day 2 isolation. Yet to be tested again. She will get another PCR done on his day 7.

He said it hasn’t been the end of the world but definately nsomething he wouldn’t like to go through again. 2 out of 10 score.

Bummer.

:-(

Prince Charles has got Covid.

Triple vaccinated and he’s had Covid before.

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Second son got the Rona this week. Double vaxxed but not boosterd

Aches, pains, nausia and dribbly bum for 3 days.

Sequestered away in the spare room. His wife is Rona free as of this morning. 5 mth old baby was free as of his day 2 isolation. Yet to be tested again. She will get another PCR done on his day 7.

He said it hasn’t been the end of the world but definately nsomething he wouldn’t like to go through again. 2 out of 10 score.

Bummer.

:-(

Prince Charles has got Covid.

Triple vaccinated and he’s had Covid before.

flock immunity

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Bummer.

:-(

Prince Charles has got Covid.

Triple vaccinated and he’s had Covid before.

flock immunity

Royalty eh. They get everything.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

:-(

Prince Charles has got Covid.

Triple vaccinated and he’s had Covid before.

flock immunity

Royalty eh. They get everything.

couple centuries of hereditarianism makes for a strong immune system, the best of the best, he’ll pull through

transition said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

flock immunity

Royalty eh. They get everything.

couple centuries of hereditarianism makes for a strong immune system, the best of the best, he’ll pull through

Couple of centuries?

I have no doubt that he can trace his line back to a primordial blob of protoplasm.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

Royalty eh. They get everything.

couple centuries of hereditarianism makes for a strong immune system, the best of the best, he’ll pull through

Couple of centuries?

I have no doubt that he can trace his line back to a primordial blob of protoplasm.

probably all the way back to jesus, who knows

the statement was more to point to hereditarianism, vestiges of

“This unlawful activity has to end and it will end,” Mr Trudeau warned just hours earlier.

“We heard you. It’s time to go home now,” the Prime Minister said, cautioning that “everything is on the table” for ending the blockades.

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

couple centuries of hereditarianism makes for a strong immune system, the best of the best, he’ll pull through

Couple of centuries?

I have no doubt that he can trace his line back to a primordial blob of protoplasm.

probably all the way back to jesus, who knows

the statement was more to point to hereditarianism, vestiges of

And mine was just a cultural reference:

I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person, of pre-Adamite ancestral descent. You will understand this when I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule.

— W. S. Gilbert

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Couple of centuries?

I have no doubt that he can trace his line back to a primordial blob of protoplasm.

probably all the way back to jesus, who knows

the statement was more to point to hereditarianism, vestiges of

And mine was just a cultural reference:

I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person, of pre-Adamite ancestral descent. You will understand this when I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule.

— W. S. Gilbert

A fuller quote:

Pooh-Bah. Don’t mention it. I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person, of pre-Adamite ancestral descent. You will understand this when I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule. Consequently, my family pride is something inconceivable. I can’t help it. I was born sneering. But I struggle hard to overcome this defect. I mortify my pride continually. When all the great officers of State resigned in a body because they were too proud to serve under an ex-tailor, did I not unhesitatingly accept all their posts at once?

From The Mikado

discredited epidemiologist wants WA to generate more data

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/why-doesnt-the-wa-government-have-accurate-omicron-data/100822536

well maybe they should just shut the fuck up and stop being big babies

A NSW parliamentary heard some doctors and nurses had resorted to wearing incontinence underwear during their shifts amid the Omicron wave.

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I have a question for poik. I don’t quite understand what they are saying here. I decided to look at the research on the need for boosters because in the press you just get that it is a recommendation from whatever State medical officer etc. This is from “Up To Date” under “General efficacy issues”

“Data from observational studies have suggested that vaccine protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection wanes over time . However, protection against hospitalization and severe COVID-19 remains high.”

This is based on American data, the example they give is from New York with plenty of data points.

“Similarly, in a study of state-wide data in New York that included approximately 10 million vaccinated adults, age-adjusted vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection declined from 92 to 75 percent from May to July 2021; however, effectiveness against hospitalization remained stable over that time at 90 to 95 percent “

What do they mean by “vaccine effectiveness”? Does it mean they tested blood for antibodies to the vaccine (I saw that it is possible to tell whether the antibodies you find on testing are from the vaccine or from an wild infection – vaccine ones are specifically spike oriented, as you would expect) or looked at who got a second infection? I’d expect the latter. But then even if people got a second infection, their safety from severe disease was apparently the same anyway.

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

Mr buffy stayed with AZ for his booster.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

That’s what I was told so I had 2 x AZ & 1 x Pfi

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

You might just get what you’re given.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

You might just get what you’re given.

Well yes.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

You might just get what you’re given.

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

And…someone’s done a systematic review:

“A Systematic Review on COVID-19 Vaccine Strategies, Their Effectiveness, and Issues”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8708628/

“We have found that vaccines developed using mRNA technology show overall better efficacy than the other strategies. However, in general, conventional inactivated vaccines show less frequent side effects, but interestingly, all vaccines exhibit a similar level of humoral immunity.”

Humoral immunity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humoral_immunity

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months but still provide significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the Omicron surge, according to a study published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers found the booster shots remained highly effective against moderate and severe COVID-19 for about two months after a third dose. But their effectiveness declined substantially after four months, suggesting the need for additional boosters, the study published on Saturday AEDT said.

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

Go for the Lucky Dip, Mr Man.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

You might just get what you’re given.

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

we mean hey Bowlers Run and Penfolds both pour grapes into mouths

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

You might just get what you’re given.

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

I went to the local state-run mass vaccination centre. A large rented commercial space about the size of a supermarket. It processes a couple of hundred people every hour, if not more. They did not offer me the choice, I just took what they had on the day.

SCIENCE said:

discredited epidemiologist wants WA to generate more data

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/why-doesnt-the-wa-government-have-accurate-omicron-data/100822536

trusty ABC giving voice to the endemicists

did covid kill and maim not a few yet, was it covid one could ask

party_pants said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

You might just get what you’re given.

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

I went to the local state-run mass vaccination centre. A large rented commercial space about the size of a supermarket. It processes a couple of hundred people every hour, if not more. They did not offer me the choice, I just took what they had on the day.

I’m getting mine in a couple of hours. Prolly Fyza.

buffy said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve had two astras and I’m tossing up as to what to get for my third. Apparently the received wisdom is a Pfizer or moderna.

You might just get what you’re given.

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

Current guidelines require an mRNA booster unless there’s a compelling reason for an AZ. Nova ax isn’t registered for boosting.

Omicron modelling dismissed by Mark McGowan, so where is West Australian government’s modelling?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/why-doesnt-the-wa-government-have-accurate-omicron-data/100822536

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

discredited epidemiologist wants WA to generate more data

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/why-doesnt-the-wa-government-have-accurate-omicron-data/100822536

trusty ABC giving voice to the endemicists

did covid kill and maim not a few yet, was it covid one could ask

Killing 60+ people a day.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

party_pants said:

You might just get what you’re given.

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

Current guidelines require an mRNA booster unless there’s a compelling reason for an AZ. Nova ax isn’t registered for boosting.

Won’t they let you play with the AZ? Mr buffy was simply asked which he preferred, back in the planning stage. But I did know you had to GP it for AZ for a booster.

I didn’t realize there were so many candidates:

>> As of 15 November 2021, 23 vaccines have been authorized or approved for emergency use in at least one country, most receiving Emergency Use Authorization (Table 2 and Appendix A), 122 vaccine candidates are in different phases (1–3) of clinical trials (Appendix B) and 194 vaccine candidates are in pre-clinical development phase <<

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8779282/

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

At our medical clinic they asked Mr buffy a few weeks ago which one he wanted to have. Then they had to wait for staffing and supplies. If you go to a pharmacy, I’m pretty sure it will be an mRNA one. But I also saw yesterday that the pharmacists in NSW especially are getting antsy about not being paid the same money by the government for the same work, ie they are paid about half what a GP is paid for the same job (jabbing a needle in an arm).

Current guidelines require an mRNA booster unless there’s a compelling reason for an AZ. Nova ax isn’t registered for boosting.

Won’t they let you play with the AZ? Mr buffy was simply asked which he preferred, back in the planning stage. But I did know you had to GP it for AZ for a booster.

We’ve had az for a long time but AZ has only just become registered for boosting in the last week or so.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Current guidelines require an mRNA booster unless there’s a compelling reason for an AZ. Nova ax isn’t registered for boosting.

Won’t they let you play with the AZ? Mr buffy was simply asked which he preferred, back in the planning stage. But I did know you had to GP it for AZ for a booster.

We’ve had az for a long time but AZ has only just become registered for boosting in the last week or so.

I saw that, and yet there is an ABC piece from some weeks back (which is why I knew about it) that said you could talk to the GP and have that if you wanted to. Here it is:
——————————————————————————————————-

Should I get a different vaccine to my previous ones?

In Australia, both Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are recommended as booster shots, regardless of which vaccine you had for your first two doses.

(You can also opt for the AstraZeneca vaccine if you can’t have an mRNA vaccine, or previously had AstraZeneca — although it’s not preferred.)

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From here, on the 19th January: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-01-19/covid-booster-vaccination-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca/100763758

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Won’t they let you play with the AZ? Mr buffy was simply asked which he preferred, back in the planning stage. But I did know you had to GP it for AZ for a booster.

We’ve had az for a long time but AZ has only just become registered for boosting in the last week or so.

I saw that, and yet there is an ABC piece from some weeks back (which is why I knew about it) that said you could talk to the GP and have that if you wanted to. Here it is:
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Should I get a different vaccine to my previous ones?

In Australia, both Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are recommended as booster shots, regardless of which vaccine you had for your first two doses.

(You can also opt for the AstraZeneca vaccine if you can’t have an mRNA vaccine, or previously had AstraZeneca — although it’s not preferred.)

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From here, on the 19th January: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-01-19/covid-booster-vaccination-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca/100763758

Can always use something off label- it’s risky for the provider though.

Apparently you WAliens are neglecting to test.

>>Earlier in the week testing numbers were close to 15,000, but that fell to about 1,600 on Friday.<<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/wa-records-26-new-local-covid-19-cases/100825686

Again, I don’t know if they’re taking the piss or are serious.

Spiny Norman said:

Again, I don’t know if they’re taking the piss or are serious.

They ought enject all those thiefts.

Congratulations Your Australian Government Are Now IROI shills

yes yes https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/food-drink-and-mental-health we know if you read the linked it actually means when compared to drinking alcoholic or caffeinated drinks but that doesn’t come across in their junk

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6147771/

Spiny Norman said:

taking the piss or are serious.

Spiny Norman said:

Again, I don’t know if they’re taking the piss or are serious.

Taking the piss.

SCIENCE said:

Congratulations Your Australian Government Are Now IROI shills

yes yes https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/food-drink-and-mental-health we know if you read the linked it actually means when compared to drinking alcoholic or caffeinated drinks but that doesn’t come across in their junk

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6147771/

Oh bloody hell, another thing to worry about.

Alarmist Slash Shill

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/584395-gottlieb-variant-specific-vaccines-might-not-work-against-other

Former Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said on Sunday that “there’s reason to believe” variant-specific immunizations might not work against other COVID-19 variants.

Noting that companies, including Pfizer, were doing so, Gottlieb said, “This is going to be a really critical decision because what we’ve seen in the past, for example, when we engineered a vaccine to specifically target 1351, the old South African variant, was that vaccine worked well or appeared to work well against 1351 but didn’t appear to provide as good coverage against all the other variants.”

The former FDA commissioner, who also serves on Pfizer’s board, said that as the virus begins to mutate, it “probably starts to hide some of the viral targets on its surface,” and therefore the vaccine developed does not give as “broad immunity to the full complement of targets on its surface.”

SCIENCE said:

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Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

Same again. I suspect they’ve lost control of containing the virus.

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

Bubblecar said:

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

97.24% of the adult population have two vaccinations or more.

Bubblecar said:

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

Today’s Qld figures:
Total deaths since Covid began 430. Deaths prior to easing restrictions 7

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

Today’s Qld figures:
Total deaths since Covid began 430. Deaths prior to easing restrictions 7

Stay safe, keep them as far away as is practical.

The Ross people and I were talking about all the germy mainlanders around lately, and vowing to keep our distance.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

Today’s Qld figures:
Total deaths since Covid began 430. Deaths prior to easing restrictions 7

Stay safe, keep them as far away as is practical.

The Ross people and I were talking about all the germy mainlanders around lately, and vowing to keep our distance.

Gotta go to Cairns for chemo next week. Bit of a worry that.
Cairns and Hinterland 23 deaths.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Today’s Qld figures:
Total deaths since Covid began 430. Deaths prior to easing restrictions 7

Stay safe, keep them as far away as is practical.

The Ross people and I were talking about all the germy mainlanders around lately, and vowing to keep our distance.

Gotta go to Cairns for chemo next week. Bit of a worry that.
Cairns and Hinterland 23 deaths.

Shame the chemo can’t come to you.

Bubblecar said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Stay safe, keep them as far away as is practical.

The Ross people and I were talking about all the germy mainlanders around lately, and vowing to keep our distance.

Gotta go to Cairns for chemo next week. Bit of a worry that.
Cairns and Hinterland 23 deaths.

Shame the chemo can’t come to you.

Tablet form would be ideal & is being researched but it’s a fair way off yet.

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

Same again. I suspect they’ve lost control of containing the virus.

Actually, it’s under control.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

97.24% of the adult population have two vaccinations or more.

2,812 in my town.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Currently 3,226 cases in Tas.

97.24% of the adult population have two vaccinations or more.

2,812 in my town.

Probably a lowish figure in our town. A lot of rusted on anti-vaxxers here.

Daughter in law in the states tested positive today.

Her baby and Grandaughter number 3 is due by the end of the month.

Son that is here got out of isolation on Tuesday after a dose. So far his wife and baby are negative so they might have managed to dodge that bullet for now

Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:

Daughter in law in the states tested positive today.

Her baby and Grandaughter number 3 is due by the end of the month.

Son that is here got out of isolation on Tuesday after a dose. So far his wife and baby are negative so they might have managed to dodge that bullet for now

Fingers crossed here.