Date: 7/02/2022 14:20:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1845875
Subject: Russia Vendetta

I am continually aware of how anti-Russia propaganda in the West paints it as the big bad wolf. Ready to gobble up harmless grandma.

By why? What is it about Russia that individuals in the West hate? Obviously not its alcoholism problem.

Here are some possible reasons for an irrational vendetta against Russia, ranging from the ridiculous to the sublime and back to the ridiculous again.

1. Mongol hordes. Perhaps the invasion of Europe by the Tartars (1220s to 1240s) will happen again, with them raging across Europe again.

2. Great game. Perhaps some still blame Russia for its opposition to the expansion of the British Indian empire into Afghanistan. There were three wars between Russia and Britain, the first in 1838 to 1842.

3. Seward’s folly. Perhaps the descendants of Seward still blame Russia for the high price they charged for Alaska in 1867. Seward was sacked and ridiculed.

4. Descendants of refugees of early Russian expansion. Ukraine (1772-1795), Kazakhstan (1822-1885), Georgia (1829-1864), Finland (1909).

5. Anti-Marxist paranoia.

6. Tsarist sympathisers. The Tsar was killed following the Russian revolution in 1917. Perhaps the descendants of Tsarist sympathisers still hate Russia because of that. Much as the supporters of Reza Shah still hate Iran.

7. Anti-Leninist Marxists.

8. Lenin’s Red Terror of 1918-1922, was a system of repression of the bourgeoisie, intellectuals and priests. No one knows how many died, between 25,000 and 140,000.

9. Afghan War of Independence. 1919.

10. Comintern, 1919-1920 the plea for communists around the world to enter the trade unions and political arena.

11. Dekulakisation. 1928-1929. Stalin’s persecution of farmers. Famine.

12. Famine of 1932-1933. Between five and seven million people died, many in the Ukraine.

13. The Great Terror. Stalin, 1936-1938. (By the way, this essentially killed off Comintern, most overseas communists refused to have anything to do with Russia after that).

14. Invasion of Poland 1939.

16. Siding with Hitler and Japan in 1939-1941. Perhaps some people hate Russia because it sided with Hitler.

17. Reaching Berlin first.

18. Soviet Bloc.

19. McCarthyism. 1950-1955. Followed by Hoover’s “dirty tricks” program of 1956-1971 that included dissemination of misinformation about Russia and communism.

Not all of those should be taken seriously. But even number 4 was a big thing even when I was young, the hatred of Russia by White Russians in the military.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:27:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1845876
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

16. Siding with Hitler and Japan in 1939-1941. Perhaps some people hate Russia because it sided with Hitler.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:35:27
From: Tamb
ID: 1845878
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Peak Warming Man said:


16. Siding with Hitler and Japan in 1939-1941. Perhaps some people hate Russia because it sided with Hitler.

18. Soviet Bloc. The misery & poverty in Eastern Europe.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:36:39
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1845879
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:36:52
From: dv
ID: 1845880
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

I guess not everyone follows the news closely but they literally did annex part of Ukraine only a few years ago, and have defacto control of most of the Donbas region, as indeed they do in parts of another neighbouring country, Georgia . It’s not as though people are worried about uncharacteristic behaviour: people are worried that the current behaviour will continue or intensify.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:36:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1845881
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

>I am continually aware of how anti-Russia propaganda in the West paints it as the big bad wolf

But apparently you’re not continually aware of the Russian actions and policies that invite understandable hostility (and certainly not just from “the West”).

Maybe you should read some actual news, instead of Putin’s state-controlled media.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:43:51
From: transition
ID: 1845882
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

in the more liberal countries the formal state apparatus has its power limited so as to be less likely to be misused

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:47:31
From: dv
ID: 1845883
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Witty Rejoinder said:


Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

Although Putin is dreadful, it’s hard to get excited about the opposition parties, which range from basically old school hardline communists to Rus-ethnostate supremacists. I don’t know everything and one thing I don’t know is what can be done about Russia.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:55:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1845884
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

Although Putin is dreadful, it’s hard to get excited about the opposition parties, which range from basically old school hardline communists to Rus-ethnostate supremacists. I don’t know everything and one thing I don’t know is what can be done about Russia.

Putin is the problem, that much is clear.. he has used (and grown) the power of his office to essentially employ shake-down tactics on all Russian controlled big-business. There’s a school of thought that has him being the single most wealthy individual in the world.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:55:18
From: Tamb
ID: 1845885
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

Although Putin is dreadful, it’s hard to get excited about the opposition parties, which range from basically old school hardline communists to Rus-ethnostate supremacists. I don’t know everything and one thing I don’t know is what can be done about Russia.


Not two people comfortable with each other.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:57:28
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1845886
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

I think it all comes down to modus operandi.
The Russian KGB use crude nerve agents to………….well lets say discipline operatives that have been less than loyal while MI6 is a little bit more subtle in arranging a small accident in Paris for example.
But you take the CIA, completely different again, they’ll send in the Navy Seals and then boast about it on the Six O’clock News.
They all go about their business in different ways and that’s what makes the world such and enjoyable place to watch.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:59:34
From: dv
ID: 1845887
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Peak Warming Man said:


I think it all comes down to modus operandi.
The Russian KGB use crude nerve agents to………….well lets say discipline operatives that have been less than loyal while MI6 is a little bit more subtle in arranging a small accident in Paris for example.
But you take the CIA, completely different again, they’ll send in the Navy Seals and then boast about it on the Six O’clock News.
They all go about their business in different ways and that’s what makes the world such and enjoyable place to watch.

I will say that for the US, their openness means they can’t do a coverup for shit. It only took months for the Iran-Contra scandal to come to light.

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Date: 7/02/2022 14:59:55
From: Tamb
ID: 1845888
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Peak Warming Man said:


I think it all comes down to modus operandi.
The Russian KGB use crude nerve agents to………….well lets say discipline operatives that have been less than loyal while MI6 is a little bit more subtle in arranging a small accident in Paris for example.
But you take the CIA, completely different again, they’ll send in the Navy Seals and then boast about it on the Six O’clock News.
They all go about their business in different ways and that’s what makes the world such and enjoyable place to watch.

Vlad is thinking “A half hour in the Lubyanka with me & he won’t be smiling.

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Date: 7/02/2022 15:05:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1845892
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Putin has admitted to smoking dope at university so that may explain his paranoia.
It also explains why in some circles he’s known as Vlad the Inhaler.

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Date: 7/02/2022 15:31:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1845904
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Peak Warming Man said:


Putin has admitted to smoking dope at university so that may explain his paranoia.
It also explains why in some circles he’s known as Vlad the Inhaler.

LOL

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Date: 8/02/2022 07:01:24
From: Ogmog
ID: 1846123
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Witty Rejoinder said:


Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

I agree:
I’ve met a few Russian people and the ones I’ve met are warm and lovely
Hating “Russia” because of Putin is like Hating “American” because Donald Dump

my concern is that there seems to be a world-wide trend building
amongst like-minded “OilyGarcs” that certainly bears watching.

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Date: 8/02/2022 09:15:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1846131
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Ogmog said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

I agree:
I’ve met a few Russian people and the ones I’ve met are warm and lovely
Hating “Russia” because of Putin is like Hating “American” because Donald Dump

my concern is that there seems to be a world-wide trend building
amongst like-minded “OilyGarcs” that certainly bears watching.

True, the rest of the Republicans in power are pretty kind and honourable souls.

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Date: 8/02/2022 09:41:01
From: Ogmog
ID: 1846144
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

SCIENCE said:


Ogmog said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

I agree:
I’ve met a few Russian people and the ones I’ve met are warm and lovely
Hating “Russia” because of Putin is like Hating “American” because Donald Dump

my concern is that there seems to be a world-wide trend building
amongst like-minded “OilyGarcs” that certainly bears watching.

True, the rest of the Republicans in power are pretty kind and honourable souls.


yeah…
…especially Squeak

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Date: 8/02/2022 10:39:41
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1846163
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Witty Rejoinder said:


Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

That’s the sort of inappropriate anti-Russian prejudice I’m talking about.

> anti-democratic authoritarian

That’s plus in my book. Every world leader needs to be like that. What’s the use of being president if you’re powerless?

The ghostly shadow that is widely touted as “democracy” in western countries is a complete farce. Its only purpose is the give the public the false illusion of control. And the purpose of the parliamentary “opposition” is the stop the government doing anything worthwhile.

> kleptocrat

Govenment by theft? Nope. Not Putin.

> warmonger

No. Not Putin. In western countries, the warmongers are in the military, and feed the politicians with lies and by witholding vital information in order to manipulate western politicians to their own ends. eg. it was the Pentagon warmongers who created the Cuban missile crisis, not Russia. It was the Pentagon warmongers who created ISIS, not Russia.

The one thing that can be said against Putin is his former KGB background.

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Date: 8/02/2022 10:44:04
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1846167
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

mollwollfumble said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

That’s the sort of inappropriate anti-Russian prejudice I’m talking about.

> anti-democratic authoritarian

That’s plus in my book. Every world leader needs to be like that. What’s the use of being president if you’re powerless?

The ghostly shadow that is widely touted as “democracy” in western countries is a complete farce. Its only purpose is the give the public the false illusion of control. And the purpose of the parliamentary “opposition” is the stop the government doing anything worthwhile.

> kleptocrat

Govenment by theft? Nope. Not Putin.

> warmonger

No. Not Putin. In western countries, the warmongers are in the military, and feed the politicians with lies and by witholding vital information in order to manipulate western politicians to their own ends. eg. it was the Pentagon warmongers who created the Cuban missile crisis, not Russia. It was the Pentagon warmongers who created ISIS, not Russia.

The one thing that can be said against Putin is his former KGB background.

That’s our Moll.

cue laugh-track

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Date: 8/02/2022 10:54:35
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1846174
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

mollwollfumble said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

That’s the sort of inappropriate anti-Russian prejudice I’m talking about.

> anti-democratic authoritarian

That’s plus in my book. Every world leader needs to be like that. What’s the use of being president if you’re powerless?

The ghostly shadow that is widely touted as “democracy” in western countries is a complete farce. Its only purpose is the give the public the false illusion of control. And the purpose of the parliamentary “opposition” is the stop the government doing anything worthwhile.

> kleptocrat

Govenment by theft? Nope. Not Putin.

> warmonger

No. Not Putin. In western countries, the warmongers are in the military, and feed the politicians with lies and by witholding vital information in order to manipulate western politicians to their own ends. eg. it was the Pentagon warmongers who created the Cuban missile crisis, not Russia. It was the Pentagon warmongers who created ISIS, not Russia.

The one thing that can be said against Putin is his former KGB background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

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Date: 8/02/2022 10:56:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1846176
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

That’s the sort of inappropriate anti-Russian prejudice I’m talking about.

> anti-democratic authoritarian

That’s plus in my book. Every world leader needs to be like that. What’s the use of being president if you’re powerless?

The ghostly shadow that is widely touted as “democracy” in western countries is a complete farce. Its only purpose is the give the public the false illusion of control. And the purpose of the parliamentary “opposition” is the stop the government doing anything worthwhile.

> kleptocrat

Govenment by theft? Nope. Not Putin.

> warmonger

No. Not Putin. In western countries, the warmongers are in the military, and feed the politicians with lies and by witholding vital information in order to manipulate western politicians to their own ends. eg. it was the Pentagon warmongers who created the Cuban missile crisis, not Russia. It was the Pentagon warmongers who created ISIS, not Russia.

The one thing that can be said against Putin is his former KGB background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_background_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

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Date: 8/02/2022 10:57:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1846177
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

That’s the sort of inappropriate anti-Russian prejudice I’m talking about.

> anti-democratic authoritarian

That’s plus in my book. Every world leader needs to be like that. What’s the use of being president if you’re powerless?

The ghostly shadow that is widely touted as “democracy” in western countries is a complete farce. Its only purpose is the give the public the false illusion of control. And the purpose of the parliamentary “opposition” is the stop the government doing anything worthwhile.

> kleptocrat

Govenment by theft? Nope. Not Putin.

> warmonger

No. Not Putin. In western countries, the warmongers are in the military, and feed the politicians with lies and by witholding vital information in order to manipulate western politicians to their own ends. eg. it was the Pentagon warmongers who created the Cuban missile crisis, not Russia. It was the Pentagon warmongers who created ISIS, not Russia.

The one thing that can be said against Putin is his former KGB background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_background_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

Is Russia preparing to invade Ukraine and what does Putin want?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

Gee, Molls world politics is…shakes head.

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Date: 8/02/2022 12:05:42
From: Ogmog
ID: 1846220
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

mollwollfumble said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Who hates Russia? Even the most ardent Russophile can recognise Putin for the illiberal, anti-democratic authoritarian, kleptocrat warmonger that he is. Russia and Ukraine would both benefit from Putin’s downfall.

That’s the sort of inappropriate anti-Russian prejudice I’m talking about.

> anti-democratic authoritarian

That’s plus in my book. Every world leader needs to be like that. What’s the use of being president if you’re powerless?

The ghostly shadow that is widely touted as “democracy” in western countries is a complete farce. Its only purpose is the give the public the false illusion of control. And the purpose of the parliamentary “opposition” is the stop the government doing anything worthwhile.

> kleptocrat

Govenment by theft? Nope. Not Putin.

> warmonger

No. Not Putin. In western countries, the warmongers are in the military, and feed the politicians with lies and by witholding vital information in order to manipulate western politicians to their own ends. eg. it was the Pentagon warmongers who created the Cuban missile crisis, not Russia. It was the Pentagon warmongers who created ISIS, not Russia.

The one thing that can be said against Putin is his former KGB background.

The American Dream

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Date: 8/02/2022 12:22:52
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1846231
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

It seems Putin is clinging to this as an historical excuse for invasion…a previous invasion.

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Empire

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Date: 8/02/2022 13:48:48
From: Ogmog
ID: 1846291
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

by rights off “we stole it first?”

anyway
you can’t argue the value of beach-front property

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Date: 8/02/2022 13:51:33
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1846294
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Ogmog said:

by rights off “we stole it first?”

anyway
you can’t argue the value of beach-front property


Of course the beach front, all eyes were on the eastern and western fronts while no one was looking at the beach front, well, some were.

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Date: 8/02/2022 13:58:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1846297
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Tau.Neutrino said:


Ogmog said:

by rights off “we stole it first?”

anyway
you can’t argue the value of beach-front property


Of course the beach front, all eyes were on the eastern and western fronts while no one was looking at the beach front, well, some were.

Sebastopol was where Herman Goering actually made good on a promise (about the only time he ever did) when the Luftwaffe successfully supplied besieged German forces by air.

He made the same promise for Stalingrad. Didn’t do so well there.

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Date: 8/02/2022 17:29:20
From: Ogmog
ID: 1846361
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Ogmog said:

by rights of “we stole it first?”

anyway
you can’t argue the value of beach-front property


I used to wonder the same thing about Israel
why the bloody hell would anyone (EVERYONE)
want to fight and die for a crummy strip of sandy desert
until I viewed it on a globe and traced all the TRADE ROUTES
that crisscross directly through it North and South, East and West

LOCATIONLOCATIONLOCATION

in this case, we have a huge landlocked country who’s only access to the sea
is frozen solid over half of every year… with no navy to speak of the Ukraine must
seem like a little slice of heaven to the Russians and a hundred fold to a greedy oligarch

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Date: 8/02/2022 20:53:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1846460
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

This build up for an invasion 2022,
is based on a previous invasion in 2014 ,
which was based on another previous invasion in April 1783.

If this is Putin’s reasoning, its not a good one.

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Date: 8/02/2022 22:42:42
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1846511
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Vladimir Putin warns of nuclear war if Ukraine joins NATO

2 hrs ago

Vladimir Putin yesterday warned a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine joins NATO and accused the West of ‘complete disregard for our concerns’ hours after talks with French President Emmanuel Macron in Moscow.

The Russian strongman said he wanted to ‘stress one more time’ that ‘if Ukraine joins NATO… the European countries will be automatically pulled into a war conflict with Russia’.

He said states would not ‘even have time to blink’ before invoking Article 5 of NATO which demands collective defense of members.

Putin also said he recognised Moscow’s military might was ‘incomparable’ with NATO but warned Russia ‘is one of the leading nuclear states’ and that there would be ‘no winners’ in a hot war.

His comments came after lengthy negotiations with Macron over the crisis in Ukraine, which Putin described as ‘constructive’ after using the familiar ‘ty’ form of ‘you’ to address the French President, seen as a sign of a good rapport between the leaders.

Macron later claimed the duo made progress during talks, citing a promise from Putin not to carry out new military initiatives near Ukraine for the time being as a precursor to possible de-escalation and an agreement from Moscow to pull back troops taking part in a military exercise on Belarusian territory near Ukraine’s borders once those war games are over.

But Putin himself did not mention such concessions when he spoke to the media after his six hours of talks with Macron in the Kremlin late yesterday and MailOnline was not able to independently confirm Russia had made such commitments.

Putin has spent months massing some 135,000 troops backed by tanks and artillery on Ukraine’s borders, sparking repeated warnings from Washington that he is about to invade.

It comes after it emerged Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has ‘no plans’ to take part in the Munich Security Conference set to take place on February 18-20, Kommersant reported.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has already confirmed Putin will not attend the two day summit, an annual cross-Atlantic conference held in Munich since 1963 that focuses on international security issues.

Vladimir Putin yesterday warned a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine joins NATO and accused the West of ‘complete disregard for our concerns’ in a press conference (pictured) hours after talks with French President Emmanuel Macron

Putin claimed his Moscow talks with President Emmanuel Macron were constructive but said: ‘I want to stress it one more time,

‘I’ve been saying it, but I’d very much want you to finally hear me, and to deliver it to your audience in print, TV and online.

‘Do you understand it or not, that if Ukraine joins NATO and attempts to bring Crimea back by military means, the European countries will be automatically pulled into a war conflict with Russia?’

Putin warned: ‘Of course the potential of NATO and Russia are incomparable. We understand it.

‘But we also understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear states, and by some modern components it even outperforms many.

‘There will be no winners. And you will be pulled into this conflict against your will.

‘You won’t even have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5 (collective defence of NATO members)….

‘Mr President Macron, of course, doesn’t want this. And I don’t want it. And I don’t want it….which is why he is here, torturing me for six straight hours.’

Putin said that for 30 years Russia had tried to persuade the West against a NATO eastward move but there was ‘just a complete disregard for our concerns, demands, and proposals’.

Macron, speaking during a joint press conference in Moscow yesterday, said he had a ‘substantial, deep’ discussion with Putin, with a focus on conditions that could help de-escalation © Provided by Daily Mail Macron, speaking during a joint press conference in Moscow yesterday, said he had a ‘substantial, deep’ discussion with Putin, with a focus on conditions that could help de-escalation Moscow has for weeks been massing tens of thousands of troops, tanks and artillery pieces along its eastern flank, sparking fears of an invasion, though the Kremlin has insisted it is merely a defence force (pictured, Russian forces currently massed in border regions)

The threats came after new footage emerged appearing to show Russia’s deployment of ‘unstoppable’ Kinzhal nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles in the country’s westernmost territory Kaliningrad, fewer than 800 miles from Britain.

Other video purports to show one of two MiG-31K deployed in western exclave Kaliningrad wedged between NATO countries Poland and Lithuania with a Baltic Sea coast, within striking distance of Ukraine and less than 800 miles from the UK.

The warplane is reported to be deployed with the new ultra high speed Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles.

The 24-foot-long, one-ton Kinzhal – or Dagger – can carry conventional or nuclear warheads, and Russia boasts it has no match among Western defences.

The hypersonic Kinzhal has a range of 1,250 miles and could pummel Ukrainian troops and defences without flying close to the country.

It appears that the MiG-31Ks capable of carrying the thousand-pound warheads were redeployed from Nizhny Novgorod, east of Moscow, to Chernyakhovsk air base in Kaliningrad region in recent days.

Russia is believed to have around 20 Kinzhal-compatible MiG-31Ks in total.

Ukrainian armed forces from the 14th Separate Mechanised Brigade carry out live fire exercises
In the Black Sea, Russia’s hi-tech Ivan Khurs intelligence ship was seen just 20 nautical miles from Ukrainian naval port Odessa amid fears that an invasion could include a maritime assault.

Russia has rejected the deployment of UN peacekeepers on the borders of rebel-held Donbas.

Senior diplomat Pyotr Ilyichev, head of the Russian foreign ministry’s international organisations department, said: ‘No, there is no need. Peacekeepers will not resolve anything in the intra-Ukrainian conflict.

‘The Ukrainians need to talk to the LPR and DPR .’

Russia has said that upcoming trips to Moscow by Foreign Secretary Liz Truss and Defence Secretary Ben Wallace are unlikely to improve relations.

Russian ambassador to London Andrei Klein said: ‘So far I am not at all under the impression that this could be a step towards a better relationship, and I am basing this on the statements being made by both Liz Truss and Ben Wallace.’

Biden made his remarks in a press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. Germany would be one of the biggest benefiters of the pipeline. The country relies on 50 percent of its natural gas supply from Russia.

‘If Russia invades – that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine again – then there will no longer be Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it,’ Biden said.

But when pressed as to how that would happen – the pipeline stretches 764 miles from Russia across the Baltic states and into Germany – Biden declined to give details.

‘I promise you we’ll be able to do it,’ the president said.

Scholz was more measured in his response, declining to say the pipeline’s name and only noting the two countries would ‘work together.’

‘We’re acting together,’ the German chancellor said. ‘We’re absolutely united and we will not take different steps. We will do the same steps.’

The Nord Stream 2 pipeline has been at the center of Putin’s standoff with Ukraine and been a topic of furious political debate in both Europe and the United States.

Republicans have called for sanctions on the pipeline, which bypasses Ukraine and Poland, because they believe it will give Moscow more energy power over Europe.

Kiev is also concerned that turning on the pipeline will lead to them losing out $2billion in lucrative ‘transit’ fees that could help its ailing economy.

President Joe Biden met with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz at the White House
Scholz arrives in Washington as Russian President Vladimir Putin has assembled 70% of the military personnel and weapons on Ukraine’s borders he would need for a full-scale invasion of the country, based on U.S. intelligence estimates.

Moscow has repeatedly denied it will invade but Putin’s true intentions remain a mystery.

Meanwhile, the first of 3,000 American troops to deploy to Eastern Europe arrived in Poland and another 86 tons of U.S. weapons arrived in Ukraine.

Biden advised any American civilians in the Ukraine to exit the country.

‘I think it would be wise to leave the country. I’m not talk about our diplomatic core. I’m talking about Americans who are there. I hate to see them get caught in the cross fire. There’s no need for that. If I were they and there I’d say leave,’ the president said.

The United States has said it doesn’t have an exact number of Americans in the Ukraine – noting it doesn’t require people to register with the Embassy in Kiev – but it has offered assistance in helping people get out.

Why gas and the Nord Stream 2 pipeline are so significant in Putin’s standoff with Ukraine
Nord Stream 2, the 750-mile gas pipeline connecting Russia and Germany, has been a source of fierce political debate both in Europe and the United States.

Republican Senator Ted Cruz has repeatedly called for sanctions on the operators because he feels it gives Moscow energy dominance in Europe, but Democrats have slapped down his attempts because they fear it would harm relations with Germany.

President Biden has now said he will stop the pipeline, which has not yet been turned on, from going ahead if Vladimir Putin invades Ukraine, putting it’s future in the balance.

Here is why the $11billion Nord Stream 2 is at the center of the Ukraine standoff, that Republicans have described as the ‘biggest threat to Europe since 1945’.

Why has gas and Nord Stream 2 become an issue in the Ukraine standoff?

Like in the United States, Europe is dealing with soaring gas prices. There are also splits over how to be more climate friendly and move off fossil fuel.

Europe gets almost 40 percent of its natural gas from Russia and will become more reliant on that supply during the winter months.

Nord Stream 2 would supply 26 million German homes when and if it is turned on. Building has been completed but it has not yet been certified by German’s energy regulator.

That has made it a hugely political topic in Germany.

What is at stake if the pipeline doesn’t come online, and how can it be used as leverage?

Ukraine believes it is missing out on $2billion in lucrative ‘transit’ fees because the pipeline bypasses Kiev.

The pipeline has been touted as one of the sanctions the West could threaten if Putin invades Ukraine and has been considered ‘leverage’ against Moscow.

For Russia, Nord Stream 2 would cut the costs of pumping its gas supplies through Ukraine. Sanctions or leaving it shut off would reduce Russia’s revenue.

The EU needs unanimity among 27 member states to impose sanctions. Germany’s voice would probably be decisive, but stopping Nord Stream 2 would need support from other member states, such as Austria and Bulgaria, who are highly dependent on Russian gas.

Russia’s natural gas exports to Germany via the Nord Stream pipeline crossing the Baltic Sea totalled 59.2 billion cubic metres (bcm) in 2021, its operator said on Monday, in line with record volumes a year earlier.

Moscow hopes to double the route with the recently finished Nord Stream 2 pipeline which requires EU and German regulatory approval to begin operations.

The current pipeline already accounts for around a third of Russia’s gas exports to Europe.

Volumes last year topped the pipeline’s annual nameplate capacity of 55 bcm. Russian gas exporter Gazprom has said the pipeline is able to transport more thanks to some technological peculiarities.

The West has accused Russia of withholding gas exports to Europe recently in order to drive up prices and pressure regulators to approve Nord Stream 2. Russia and Gazprom have denied this.

Will Russia cut off gas supplies if it invades?

No one knows for sure, but a complete shutoff is seen as unlikely, because it would be mutually destructive.

Russian officials have not signaled they would consider cutting supplies in the case of new sanctions. Moscow relies on energy exports, and though it just signed a gas deal with China, Europe is a key source of revenue.

Europe is likewise dependent on Russia, so any Western sanctions would likely avoid directly targeting Russian energy supplies.

More likely, experts say, would be Russia withholding gas sent through pipelines crossing Ukraine. Russia pumped 175 billion cubic meters of gas into Europe last year, nearly a quarter of it through those pipelines, according to S&P Global Platts. That would leave pipelines under the Baltic Sea and through Poland still operating.

‘I think in the event of even a less severe Russian attack against Ukraine, the Russians are almost certain to cut off gas transiting Ukraine on the way to Germany,’ said former U.S. diplomat Dan Fried, who as State Department coordinator for sanctions policy helped craft 2014 measures against Russia when it invaded and annexed Ukraine´s Crimea peninsula.

Russia could then offer to make up the lost gas if Germany approves the contentious new Nord Stream 2 pipeline, whose operators could face potential U.S. sanctions even though a recent vote to that effect failed.

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Sunday on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ that the Biden administration has coordinated with its allies and that ‘if Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.’

Interrupting gas supplies beyond the Ukrainian pipelines is less likely: ‘If they push it too far, they’re going to make a breach with Europe irreparable, and they have to sell the oil and gas someplace,’ Fried said.

Meanwhile, Scholz’s visit comes as both Democrats and Republicans – along with American allies in Western Europe – have accused Germany of being ‘missing in action’ on Ukraine and expressed frustration Berlin hasn’t done more to help its fellow NATO members in Eastern Europe as Russia builds up its military force on the Ukraine border.

Concerns have been raised about his government’s refusal to supply lethal weapons to Ukraine, to increase Germany’s troop presence in Eastern Europe or to clarify which sanctions it would support should Russia act.

His decision to send 5,000 helmets for Ukrainian troops to Kiev drew much mockery.

But Biden defended Germany on Monday, saying there was ‘no need to win back trust.’

‘There’s no need to win back trust. He has the complete trust of the United States. Germany is one of our most important allies in the world. There’s no doubt about Germany’s partnership with the United States. None,’ the president said.

‘With regard to helping Ukraine, one of the largest contributors financially to Ukraine has been Germany. Germany has been in the forefront of making sure of providing economic assistance,’ he said. ‘Germany is completely reliable. Totally reliable. Have no doubt about Germany at all.’

Scholz repeated his message of unity.

‘We are united. The trans atlantic partnership between Germany and the U.S. is one of the permanent pillars of German policy and will be relevant in the future as well, just as relevant. This will be one of our top priorities always,’ he said.

Additionally Biden used the press conference to issue a warning to Putin – saying it would be a ‘gigantic mistake’ to invade the Ukraine.

‘I don’t know that he knows what he’s going to do. I think he has to realize it would be a gigantic mistake to make a move on Ukraine ,’ Biden said,adding of Putin: ‘He would pay a heavy price.’

Biden also said the United States is ‘ready to continue talks in good faith with Russia.’

US Army soldiers and military vehicles exit a U.S. Air Force Boeing C-17A Globemaster III transport aircraft at Jasionka Rzeszow Airport in Rzeszow, Poland
Nord Stream 2 was expected to be one of the main topics of conversation during Biden and Scholz’s meeting.

Germany heavily relies on Russian gas supplies and is a strong backer of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that the United States opposes.

The pipeline is not operating yet but Germany has been reluctant to put it on the negotiating table – even as the United States has made clear before Monday’s meeting the project is dead should Moscow launch an attack.

‘One way or the other, if Russia invades Ukraine, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward,’ Biden’s national security adviser Jake Sullivan told ‘Fox News Sunday.’

The $11 billion pipeline is being built to serve as a conduit between Russia and German. Germany depends on 50% of its gas supply from Russia.

‘We have made our position very clear, which is that: If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward,’ a senior administration official told reporters on a briefing call on Sunday night.

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Scholz, in a nod to the criticism he’s received at home and abroad for a lack of leadership on the Ukraine issue, told a German television station that he was open to deploying more troops to Lithuania to bolster NATO’s eastern flank.

‘We are intensively engaged with all our allied partners in the European Union, with the question of Ukraine, hardly any question occupies us more,’ Scholz told ARD television station.

‘It’s about preventing a war in Europe,’ he said, adding that his first meeting as chancellor with Biden would involve ‘hard, real political work.’

The two men have met before – in Rome in October during the G20 summit while Scholz was still serving as finance minister.

Scholz also will meet French President Emmanuel Macron and Polish President Andrzej Duda in Berlin on Tuesday and then visit Russia and Ukraine next week. Macron will be in Russia on Monday as Biden and Scholz meet at the White House.

Biden on Sunday seemed to suggest Putin will not go with the diplomatic route as Moscow continues to demand concessions that U.S. and NATO will not make.

When asked what factors Putin is considering when making his decision whether to invade Ukraine or deescalate tensions in the region, Biden responded: ‘I think things he cannot get.’

This likely references the demands the Kremlin has put forth, including that the NATO ban Ukraine and other former Soviet bloc countries from entering the military alliance.

As tensions rise in Easter Europe, the German-American relationship could become the pivotal U.S. partnership in the West as Macron is in a tough re-election campaign and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is struggling to hold onto his goverment amid a scandal over parties held during COVID lockdown.

In 2015, France and Germany helped broker a peace deal for eastern Ukraine in a bid to end the conflict between Ukrainian forces and Russia-backed separatists that erupted the previous year following the Russian annexation of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula.

The agreement signed in the Belarusian capital of Minsk helped stop large-scale fighting, but efforts at a political settlement have stalled and frequent skirmishes have continued along the tense line of contact in Ukraine’s industrial heartland known as the Donbas.

A summit of French, German, Russian and Ukrainian leaders has been suggested. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has expressed interest but Putin has not.

Scholz took over two months ago from Angela Merkel, the longtime German leader who had worked with four U.S. presidents. Biden and Merkel enjoyed a strong relationship.

Additionallly, Scholz and Biden will discuss Germany’s agenda for its leadership of the G7 this year, their support for Western Balkan countries, and working to coordinate bilateral and multilateral responses to China’s non-market economic practices and human rights abuses, U.S. officials said ahead of the meeting.

U.S. paratroopers landed near Poland’s border with Ukraine on Sunday after Biden ordered last week the deployment of 1,700 soldiers to the country’s southeastern region amid rising tensions with Russia.

Civilians participate in a Territorial Defence unit training session in Obukhiv, Ukraine
Another 1,000 troops already in Germany will be repositioned to Romania, which borders the Black Sea where one of Russia’s biggest fleets is positioned.

‘I’m not going to speculate,’ Biden said Sunday when he was asked if he would consider sending more U.S. troops to NATO countries if Putin doesn’t deescalate.

And the latest shipment of weapons from the U.S. arrived in Ukraine at the weekend, with the 86 tons worth of ammunition delivered.

It is the eighth part of a $200 million shipment of American military aid that is being sent to help its ally.

Ukraine’s defense minister Oleksii Reznikov tweeted: ‘The 8th bird has arrived in Kyiv. The weight of today’s cargo with ammunition for our Ukrainian armed forces is 86 tons. Since January 22, our partners from the US have sent more than 650 tons of defense ammunition to Ukraine. To be continued.’

And National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan warned Sunday that ‘we are in the window’ where Russia could invade ‘any day now’.

‘We’re in the window where something could happen that is a military escalation and invasion of Ukraine can happen at any time,’ Sullivan said on NBC’s Meet the Press.

‘We believe that the Russians have put in place the capabilities to mount a significant military operation into Ukraine and we have been working hard to prepare a response,’ he continued.

‘President Biden has rallied our allies, he’s reinforced and reassured our partners on the eastern flank, he’s provided material support to the Ukrainians and he’s offered the Russians a diplomatic path if that’s what they choose instead.’

Sullivan concluded: ‘Either way, we are ready, our allies are ready and we’re trying to help the Ukrainian people get ready as well.’

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Date: 8/02/2022 22:56:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846523
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

monkey skipper said:


Vladimir Putin warns of nuclear war if Ukraine joins NATO

So he’s really been taking too many steroids then?

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Date: 8/02/2022 23:05:16
From: furious
ID: 1846530
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

If I can’t have her, no one can…

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Date: 8/02/2022 23:11:18
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1846534
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

Vladimir Putin warns of nuclear war if Ukraine joins NATO

So he’s really been taking too many steroids then?

I think the ukraine should have a chat with russia about how far the russian troops will pull back if the ukraine becomes another switzerland

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Date: 8/02/2022 23:13:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1846537
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

Vladimir Putin warns of nuclear war if Ukraine joins NATO

So he’s really been taking too many steroids then?

I think the ukraine should have a chat with russia about how far the russian troops will pull back if the ukraine becomes another switzerland

NATOs own rules are supposed to exclude accepting membership from countries with pre-existing border disputes and separatist movements.

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Date: 9/02/2022 07:28:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1846606
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

French President Emmanuel Macron says Vladimir Putin assured him Russia will not escalate Ukraine crisis.

On Tuesday, Russia’s Defence Ministry said six large warships were moving from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea for exercises.

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Date: 9/02/2022 14:11:41
From: Ogmog
ID: 1846735
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

I’m of the mind that Vlad is just piling on yet more pressure unto
Pres. Joe Biden to bring his agenda to help “the little people”
to a stand still …along with forcing Biden’s timeline to end the
war in Afghanistan sooner than a safer evacuation could be
implemented, amid a pandemic top heavy with conspiracy BS/
anti vax/anti mask/Covid exhaustion.

atop an attempted insurrection cooked by a sore-losing grifter
still baying at the moon every day demanding to regain the seat
Putin helped steal from Hilary Clinton who’d become a thorn in
his side while she was the Obama’s Secretary of State.
Putin clearly prefers the narcissistic potential Kremlin puppet.

As soon as the Hospitalization/Mortality Rate began to drop
and the American economy began to bounce back it was time
to dial up the heat again before things could start normalizing
and the folks realized life was improving over the past 4 years

It was time to shift the news cycle off the insurrection trials by
making them hold their breath, trying to GUESS Putin’s actual
intention regarding America’s greatest generational Sword of
Damocles in order to turn Americans against Biden in order
to get his Puppet back in the Oval Office to both their benefit.

AFAIC, I detest his little smirk he doesn’t bother to conceal.

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Date: 12/02/2022 03:15:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1847655
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

Yeah. Damn Pentagon. Damn NATO.

You do know that NATO has nuclear weapons, right.

——

Nothing wrong with Putin

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Date: 12/02/2022 13:41:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1847739
Subject: re: Russia Vendetta

mollwollfumble said:


Nothing wrong with Putin

If you’re a fan of homicidal psychopaths.

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