Time for a new thread.

>>COVID-19 cases rise every day in Denmark, but the country is confident it can live without restrictions for now<<

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/denmark-has-taken-living-with-covid-to-a-whole-new-level/100812736

Also Your ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Health care workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories* — in their words — about what they saw in January.

Pity nobody could have foreseen this, these idiot healthcare workers never warned us what could happen.

We mean all their stories are emergency and ICU hey, so normal healthcare for rich people must have been just fine and that’s the only thing that matters.

SCIENCE said:

Also Your ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Health care workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories* — in their words — about what they saw in January.

Pity nobody could have foreseen this, these idiot healthcare workers never warned us what could happen.

We mean all their stories are emergency and ICU hey, so normal healthcare for rich people must have been just fine and that’s the only thing that matters.

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Also Your ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Health care workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories* — in their words — about what they saw in January.

Pity nobody could have foreseen this, these idiot healthcare workers never warned us what could happen.

We mean all their stories are emergency and ICU hey, so normal healthcare for rich people must have been just fine and that’s the only thing that matters.

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption

even if it seemed reasonable at the B.1.617.2 stage it’s not like Australia didn’t have plenty of advance warning about B.1.1.529 so idiot strategists who couldn’t do flexibility well

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Also Your ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Health care workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories* — in their words — about what they saw in January.

Pity nobody could have foreseen this, these idiot healthcare workers never warned us what could happen.

We mean all their stories are emergency and ICU hey, so normal healthcare for rich people must have been just fine and that’s the only thing that matters.

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption

even if it seemed reasonable at the B.1.617.2 stage it’s not like Australia didn’t have plenty of advance warning about B.1.1.529 so idiot strategists who couldn’t do flexibility well

no it was never reasonable, you’ve bought the bullshit, your enthusiasm for comparison, core reality gotten that way, does not serve you well

Haven’t looked at wordometer for a while:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

So while case numbers seem to be still falling, if we ignore the large peak of a couple of weeks ago, deaths seem to be rising.

I wonder why?

Infections taking off in nursing homes perhaps?

transition said:

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption My opinion.

Fixed. :-)

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption My opinion.

Fixed. :-)

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption My opinion.

Fixed. :-)

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

A point to consider is that Covid was not getting locked up. So letting it go was unnecessary anyway.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Haven’t looked at wordometer for a while:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

So while case numbers seem to be still falling, if we ignore the large peak of a couple of weeks ago, deaths seem to be rising.

I wonder why?

Infections taking off in nursing homes perhaps?

I think it is because people are not testing as much as a few weeks ago. I suspect we have many, many more un-diagnosed cases in the community than the official figures show.

QLD’s CHO reckons that by the end of next week, at least half of QLD’s population will have been infected. So that’ll be over 2.6 million infections, with only a few thousand positive tests per day.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Haven’t looked at wordometer for a while:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

So while case numbers seem to be still falling, if we ignore the large peak of a couple of weeks ago, deaths seem to be rising.

I wonder why?

Infections taking off in nursing homes perhaps?

Have a look at Israel too.

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption My opinion.

Fixed. :-)

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

I was merely clarifying things considering you’ve sometimes caveated your proclamations as ‘opinion’ in the past.

“Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?”

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101

It’s an interesting read. The researchers are all disagreeing about how well natural immunity and vaccine immunity compare. The piece is dated from September last year.

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Fixed. :-)

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

I was merely clarifying things considering you’ve sometimes caveated your proclamations as ‘opinion’ in the past.

don’t give me your merely bullshit, hide your mischief in that

don’t fuck with what’s in quoted sections

occasionally I chuck in opinion so I don’t get sued, but more generally you can assume everything I say is opinion, given I can’t write it into law, make it true that way

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

I was merely clarifying things considering you’ve sometimes caveated your proclamations as ‘opinion’ in the past.

don’t give me your merely bullshit, hide your mischief in that

don’t fuck with what’s in quoted sections

occasionally I chuck in opinion so I don’t get sued, but more generally you can assume everything I say is opinion, given I can’t write it into law, make it true that way

Aren’t we in a mood.

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption My opinion.

Fixed. :-)

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

I don’t think modifying quotes is that evil, if it’s clearly stated the quote is modified.

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I was merely clarifying things considering you’ve sometimes caveated your proclamations as ‘opinion’ in the past.

don’t give me your merely bullshit, hide your mischief in that

don’t fuck with what’s in quoted sections

occasionally I chuck in opinion so I don’t get sued, but more generally you can assume everything I say is opinion, given I can’t write it into law, make it true that way

Aren’t we in a mood.

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

The Rev Dodgson said:

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

Pretty good, for Sunday before lunch-time.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

don’t give me your merely bullshit, hide your mischief in that

don’t fuck with what’s in quoted sections

occasionally I chuck in opinion so I don’t get sued, but more generally you can assume everything I say is opinion, given I can’t write it into law, make it true that way

Aren’t we in a mood.

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

is this like old Zarkovnikov’s days of no weather or is there a special thing that makes some moods moods and other moods not moods

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

don’t give me your merely bullshit, hide your mischief in that

don’t fuck with what’s in quoted sections

occasionally I chuck in opinion so I don’t get sued, but more generally you can assume everything I say is opinion, given I can’t write it into law, make it true that way

Aren’t we in a mood.

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Link

pretty sad state of affairs.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Fixed. :-)

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

I don’t think modifying quotes is that evil, if it’s clearly stated the quote is modified.

at some point it stops being a quote, i’ll let you explore that, when is a quote no longer a quote, be a bit like philosophy or something wouldn’t it

if witty has an objection of substance re the proposition that to vaccinate to let covid go is a psychological corruption, then i’d be happy to explore that with him

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

yeah don’t fuck with me when quoting

of course it’s an opinion, what else could it be

I don’t think modifying quotes is that evil, if it’s clearly stated the quote is modified.

at some point it stops being a quote, i’ll let you explore that, when is a quote no longer a quote, be a bit like philosophy or something wouldn’t it

if witty has an objection of substance re the proposition that to vaccinate to let covid go is a psychological corruption, then i’d be happy to explore that with him

Psychological corruption? That would be a no.

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Aren’t we in a mood.

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

has been revoked!!!

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

Like Danke schön is becoming Danke shane.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

has been revoked!!!

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

Like Danke schön is becoming Danke shane.

You mean, he wasn’t saying ‘thanks’ to Shane?!

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

Like Danke schön is becoming Danke shane.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Jeeze, Joyce, ‘poetic license’!

Like Danke schön is becoming Danke shane.

You mean, he wasn’t saying ‘thanks’ to Shane?!

Nein.

How the Omicron wave smashed hospitals
Healthcare workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories — in their words — about what they saw in January.

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Spiny Norman said:

SCIENCE said:

Also Your ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Health care workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories* — in their words — about what they saw in January.

Pity nobody could have foreseen this, these idiot healthcare workers never warned us what could happen.

We mean all their stories are emergency and ICU hey, so normal healthcare for rich people must have been just fine and that’s the only thing that matters.

How the Omicron wave smashed hospitals
Healthcare workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories — in their words — about what they saw in January.

agree, those healthcare workers should just toughen the fuck up and deal with it like the rest of everyone that suffered through lockdowns and other violations of human rights

privileged above-average-income bastards

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

using vaccination as a vote to let covid go was always a mistake, always will be, a monumental stupid, a psychological corruption

even if it seemed reasonable at the B.1.617.2 stage it’s not like Australia didn’t have plenty of advance warning about B.1.1.529 so idiot strategists who couldn’t do flexibility well

no it was never reasonable, you’ve bought the bullshit, your enthusiasm for comparison, core reality gotten that way, does not serve you well

“even if it seemed” doesn’t say it was reasonable, c’m‘on now, but

when we had children hidden away and 94% vaccination coverage of the rest and heading towards 3rd dosing with the mRNA forms that actually worked to interrupt pre-B.1.1.529 transmission by around 94% then the 88% reduction in R would have been enough to get it from 8 to below 1 so all it would have taken was a few masks, a few distances

might even have worked

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Aren’t we in a mood.

Every quote is valuable
Every quote is good
When a quote is tampered with
Trans gets in a mood

which word are you “mispronouncing” good or mood?

;-)

Both to the mean.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

even if it seemed reasonable at the B.1.617.2 stage it’s not like Australia didn’t have plenty of advance warning about B.1.1.529 so idiot strategists who couldn’t do flexibility well

no it was never reasonable, you’ve bought the bullshit, your enthusiasm for comparison, core reality gotten that way, does not serve you well

“even if it seemed” doesn’t say it was reasonable, c’m‘on now, but

when we had children hidden away and 94% vaccination coverage of the rest and heading towards 3rd dosing with the mRNA forms that actually worked to interrupt pre-B.1.1.529 transmission by around 94% then the 88% reduction in R would have been enough to get it from 8 to below 1 so all it would have taken was a few masks, a few distances

might even have worked

the trouble is the host-base size, mutation potential, it’s so massive of (interconnected) human populations, and extending into animal populations

to do whatever that increases the mutation potential requires something like blind faith

and the first commandment might be writ..

thou shalt not work against the program of endemic covid

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

no it was never reasonable, you’ve bought the bullshit, your enthusiasm for comparison, core reality gotten that way, does not serve you well

“even if it seemed” doesn’t say it was reasonable, c’m‘on now, but

when we had children hidden away and 94% vaccination coverage of the rest and heading towards 3rd dosing with the mRNA forms that actually worked to interrupt pre-B.1.1.529 transmission by around 94% then the 88% reduction in R would have been enough to get it from 8 to below 1 so all it would have taken was a few masks, a few distances

might even have worked

the trouble is the host-base size, mutation potential, it’s so massive of (interconnected) human populations, and extending into animal populations

to do whatever that increases the mutation potential requires something like blind faith

and the first commandment might be writ..

thou shalt not work against the program of endemic covid

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

“even if it seemed” doesn’t say it was reasonable, c’m‘on now, but

when we had children hidden away and 94% vaccination coverage of the rest and heading towards 3rd dosing with the mRNA forms that actually worked to interrupt pre-B.1.1.529 transmission by around 94% then the 88% reduction in R would have been enough to get it from 8 to below 1 so all it would have taken was a few masks, a few distances

might even have worked

the trouble is the host-base size, mutation potential, it’s so massive of (interconnected) human populations, and extending into animal populations

to do whatever that increases the mutation potential requires something like blind faith

and the first commandment might be writ..

thou shalt not work against the program of endemic covid

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

He appears to be of the opine that vaccination was used as a plot to let the virus rip.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

“even if it seemed” doesn’t say it was reasonable, c’m‘on now, but

when we had children hidden away and 94% vaccination coverage of the rest and heading towards 3rd dosing with the mRNA forms that actually worked to interrupt pre-B.1.1.529 transmission by around 94% then the 88% reduction in R would have been enough to get it from 8 to below 1 so all it would have taken was a few masks, a few distances

might even have worked

the trouble is the host-base size, mutation potential, it’s so massive of (interconnected) human populations, and extending into animal populations

to do whatever that increases the mutation potential requires something like blind faith

and the first commandment might be writ..

thou shalt not work against the program of endemic covid

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

you could ask me, save the wild open question

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

the trouble is the host-base size, mutation potential, it’s so massive of (interconnected) human populations, and extending into animal populations

to do whatever that increases the mutation potential requires something like blind faith

and the first commandment might be writ..

thou shalt not work against the program of endemic covid

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

you could ask me, save the wild open question

If you ask me, trans isn’t against vaccination. He’s against the policy that a certain % of the population vaccinated means we should all return to normal and let Covid rip.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

you could ask me, save the wild open question

If you ask me, trans isn’t against vaccination. He’s against the policy that a certain % of the population vaccinated means we should all return to normal and let Covid rip.

fairly much, though more specifically it’s using vaccination as a vote and license toward endemic covid, deployed for (to implement) the program toward endemic equilibrium

the latter undermines a primary purpose of the medical intervention of vaccination, which should be to reduce the amount of circulating covid to a level, to a status that doesn’t increase the existing threat or increase a future threat possibility

if you compromise (vitiate, corrupt etc) vaccination that way, you compromise a broad range of prophylaxis, stupid could become completely unavoidable

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

the trouble is the host-base size, mutation potential, it’s so massive of (interconnected) human populations, and extending into animal populations

to do whatever that increases the mutation potential requires something like blind faith

and the first commandment might be writ..

thou shalt not work against the program of endemic covid

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

you could ask me, save the wild open question

The problem is trans and with no disrespect. I mostly do not understand what you are saying. Far too many apparently unrelated words.

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

you could ask me, save the wild open question

If you ask me, trans isn’t against vaccination. He’s against the policy that a certain % of the population vaccinated means we should all return to normal and let Covid rip.

fairly much, though more specifically it’s using vaccination as a vote and license toward endemic covid, deployed for (to implement) the program toward endemic equilibrium

the latter undermines a primary purpose of the medical intervention of vaccination, which should be to reduce the amount of circulating covid to a level, to a status that doesn’t increase the existing threat or increase a future threat possibility

if you compromise (vitiate, corrupt etc) vaccination that way, you compromise a broad range of prophylaxis, stupid could become completely unavoidable

Thank you Car, a very precise and understandable explanation.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Is trans for or against vaccination? Have been reading the posts but still do not understand.

you could ask me, save the wild open question

The problem is trans and with no disrespect. I mostly do not understand what you are saying. Far too many apparently unrelated words.

yeah well mostly I keep my genius to myself, some leaks out, this sociability thing ya know, sharing, you’ve got your special genius also, you share that sometimes I notice

i’ll put off converging if you don’t mind, the words can stay apparently unrelated

https://cookerpedia.org/index.php

Link

LOL.

SCIENCE said:

Also Your ABC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/covid-omicron-wave-hospitals-doctors-nurses/100815748

Health care workers are desperate for the public to know what’s been happening in our hospitals. As the Omicron wave peaked in Sydney last month, Background Briefing was following them. These are their stories* — in their words — about what they saw in January.

Pity nobody could have foreseen this, these idiot healthcare workers never warned us what could happen.

We mean all their stories are emergency and ICU hey, so normal healthcare for rich people must have been just fine and that’s the only thing that matters.

What gets me is that they were thinking they could solve this with a $400 payment to some, not all of those, who are going through this shit.

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

you could ask me, save the wild open question

The problem is trans and with no disrespect. I mostly do not understand what you are saying. Far too many apparently unrelated words.

yeah well mostly I keep my genius to myself, some leaks out, this sociability thing ya know, sharing, you’ve got your special genius also, you share that sometimes I notice

i’ll put off converging if you don’t mind, the words can stay apparently unrelated

Well I am sorry trans, but I do have considerable trouble in understanding what you say (type). This is not the first time I have said so either.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

The problem is trans and with no disrespect. I mostly do not understand what you are saying. Far too many apparently unrelated words.

yeah well mostly I keep my genius to myself, some leaks out, this sociability thing ya know, sharing, you’ve got your special genius also, you share that sometimes I notice

i’ll put off converging if you don’t mind, the words can stay apparently unrelated

Well I am sorry trans, but I do have considerable trouble in understanding what you say (type). This is not the first time I have said so either.

no you’re not sorry, you might practice you’re dissembled contempt, it’s a bit marginal like something else

idiot so-called “expert”, he’s probably never murdered anyone so what would he know

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

If you ask me, trans isn’t against vaccination. He’s against the policy that a certain % of the population vaccinated means we should all return to normal and let Covid rip.

fairly much, though more specifically it’s using vaccination as a vote and license toward endemic covid, deployed for (to implement) the program toward endemic equilibrium

the latter undermines a primary purpose of the medical intervention of vaccination, which should be to reduce the amount of circulating covid to a level, to a status that doesn’t increase the existing threat or increase a future threat possibility

if you compromise (vitiate, corrupt etc) vaccination that way, you compromise a broad range of prophylaxis, stupid could become completely unavoidable

Thank you Car, a very precise and understandable explanation.

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

yeah well mostly I keep my genius to myself, some leaks out, this sociability thing ya know, sharing, you’ve got your special genius also, you share that sometimes I notice

i’ll put off converging if you don’t mind, the words can stay apparently unrelated

Well I am sorry trans, but I do have considerable trouble in understanding what you say (type). This is not the first time I have said so either.

no you’re not sorry, you might practice you’re dissembled contempt, it’s a bit marginal like something else

I have to admit that i sometimes find trans to be incomprehensible.

Sometimes i open his posts and extract the intent and meaning.

Sometimes i just say ‘oh, he’s trying to be lyrical again, it’s just word salad’, and go on to something else.

World update on new Covid deaths per unit population.
Eastern Europe (and Carribean) is still the worst place to be.

Australia is still up there with Brazil, Russia, Canada, Mexico

Over all time. You can see the effects of vaccination – not.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Well I am sorry trans, but I do have considerable trouble in understanding what you say (type). This is not the first time I have said so either.

no you’re not sorry, you might practice you’re dissembled contempt, it’s a bit marginal like something else

I have to admit that i sometimes find trans to be incomprehensible.

Sometimes i open his posts and extract the intent and meaning.

Sometimes i just say ‘oh, he’s trying to be lyrical again, it’s just word salad’, and go on to something else.

Some people call it waxing all philosophical like.

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

yeah well mostly I keep my genius to myself, some leaks out, this sociability thing ya know, sharing, you’ve got your special genius also, you share that sometimes I notice

i’ll put off converging if you don’t mind, the words can stay apparently unrelated

Well I am sorry trans, but I do have considerable trouble in understanding what you say (type). This is not the first time I have said so either.

no you’re not sorry, you might practice you’re dissembled contempt, it’s a bit marginal like something else

No you are wrong trans, I feel no animosity towards you. I just think of you as an odd-ball.

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

fairly much, though more specifically it’s using vaccination as a vote and license toward endemic covid, deployed for (to implement) the program toward endemic equilibrium

the latter undermines a primary purpose of the medical intervention of vaccination, which should be to reduce the amount of circulating covid to a level, to a status that doesn’t increase the existing threat or increase a future threat possibility

if you compromise (vitiate, corrupt etc) vaccination that way, you compromise a broad range of prophylaxis, stupid could become completely unavoidable

Thank you Car, a very precise and understandable explanation.

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

no you’re not sorry, you might practice you’re dissembled contempt, it’s a bit marginal like something else

I have to admit that i sometimes find trans to be incomprehensible.

Sometimes i open his posts and extract the intent and meaning.

Sometimes i just say ‘oh, he’s trying to be lyrical again, it’s just word salad’, and go on to something else.

Some people call it waxing all philosophical like.

Delphic, huh?

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Thank you Car, a very precise and understandable explanation.

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

It is probably best not to allow it to worry you.

It would possibly help if there were smileys to use. Maybe better if we used sign language?

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Well I am sorry trans, but I do have considerable trouble in understanding what you say (type). This is not the first time I have said so either.

no you’re not sorry, you might practice you’re dissembled contempt, it’s a bit marginal like something else

I have to admit that i sometimes find trans to be incomprehensible.

Sometimes i open his posts and extract the intent and meaning.

Sometimes i just say ‘oh, he’s trying to be lyrical again, it’s just word salad’, and go on to something else.

Mostly that last bit.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

It is probably best not to allow it to worry you.

It would possibly help if there were smileys to use. Maybe better if we used sign language?

It is just my attempt to understand what is going on.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

It is probably best not to allow it to worry you.

It would possibly help if there were smileys to use. Maybe better if we used sign language?

It is just my attempt to understand what is going on.

Mine too.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Thank you Car, a very precise and understandable explanation.

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

I know I know… jet-setters cunts!

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

I know I know… jet-setters cunts!

serious question though, you try and answer it

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

I know I know… jet-setters cunts!

serious question though, you try and answer it

Well it can’t be the government because they have denied all responsibility from the onset.

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

I know I know… jet-setters cunts!

serious question though, you try and answer it

Tyranny of the majority I suppose.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-countries-dropping-their-covid-19-restrictions-entirely-despite-the-omicron-surge/edafb873-5a6e-4d1f-b822-2389aefd5ec1

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I know I know… jet-setters cunts!

serious question though, you try and answer it

Tyranny of the majority I suppose.

if you were to be honest, how much thought do you reckon you’ve given it

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220208/Swedish-study-shows-fully-vaccinated-are-protected-against-severe-COVID-19.aspx

Link to the paper is at the bottom. This link is to a commentary on the paper. It is nor yet peer reviewed.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

you haven’t gone near approaching who’s responsible for covid outbreaks in aged care

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

serious question though, you try and answer it

Tyranny of the majority I suppose.

if you were to be honest, how much thought do you reckon you’ve given it

I am of age myself and lost extended family at St Basil’s so I’m not oblivious to it.

PermeateFree said:

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

I tend to agree with that.

People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains.

If the disease continues to rampage, it’ll largely be those people who are the caise of it.

Thank goodness smallpox was essentially eradicated before these dickheads came along.

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

I tend to agree with that.

People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains.

If the disease continues to rampage, it’ll largely be those people who are the caise of it.

Thank goodness smallpox was essentially eradicated before these dickheads came along.

>People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains

the situation is that most of the reservoirs and incubators are vaccinated people, unvaccinated people are a small minority

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

I tend to agree with that.

People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains.

If the disease continues to rampage, it’ll largely be those people who are the caise of it.

Thank goodness smallpox was essentially eradicated before these dickheads came along.

>People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains

the situation is that most of the reservoirs and incubators are vaccinated people, unvaccinated people are a small minority

The other part of the situation is that the people who are smart enough to get vaccinated are usually also smart enough to make an effort to observe other non-transmission measures, and not deliberately flout them as part of some poser act.

So, that ‘small minority’ are the most likely source of spread of the viruses.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

I tend to agree with that.

People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains.

If the disease continues to rampage, it’ll largely be those people who are the caise of it.

Thank goodness smallpox was essentially eradicated before these dickheads came along.

>People who, for whatever reason other than on sound medical advice, refuse to be vaccinated provide reservoirs and incubators for the virus in all its strains

the situation is that most of the reservoirs and incubators are vaccinated people, unvaccinated people are a small minority

The other part of the situation is that the people who are smart enough to get vaccinated are usually also smart enough to make an effort to observe other non-transmission measures, and not deliberately flout them as part of some poser act.

So, that ‘small minority’ are the most likely source of spread of the viruses.

I doubt that’s the reality, pick a State, that most transmission is by unvaccinated people

the growth for example of NSW last month couldn’t be attributed to unvaccinated people, not entirely, not mostly, by any stretch

transition said:

I doubt that’s the reality, pick a State, that most transmission is by unvaccinated people

the growth for example of NSW last month couldn’t be attributed to unvaccinated people, not entirely, not mostly, by any stretch

You may be right, but, if we look at things like the current shitshow in Canberra, where people are actually depositing their excrement in the open, as well as (by all representations) rather agin preventive measures and probably a lot of them not keen on vaccines, and who will ultimately disperse to their home localities, you can see how they can spread the disease out of all proportion to their ratio in the population.

I see people in supermarkets and such, obviously ‘parading’ the fact that they’re not wearing masks or cleaning hands etc, unlike the ‘sheeple’.

They must imagine that other people in the place see them as heroic individualistic defenders of personal freedoms.

In reality, it’s not hard to imagine a massive common thought bubble above the heads of everyone else which contains but two words: ‘bloody fuckwits’.

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

I doubt that’s the reality, pick a State, that most transmission is by unvaccinated people

the growth for example of NSW last month couldn’t be attributed to unvaccinated people, not entirely, not mostly, by any stretch

You may be right, but, if we look at things like the current shitshow in Canberra, where people are actually depositing their excrement in the open, as well as (by all representations) rather agin preventive measures and probably a lot of them not keen on vaccines, and who will ultimately disperse to their home localities, you can see how they can spread the disease out of all proportion to their ratio in the population.

I see people in supermarkets and such, obviously ‘parading’ the fact that they’re not wearing masks or cleaning hands etc, unlike the ‘sheeple’.

They must imagine that other people in the place see them as heroic individualistic defenders of personal freedoms.

In reality, it’s not hard to imagine a massive common thought bubble above the heads of everyone else which contains but two words: ‘bloody fuckwits’.

I have wondered what to say to those selfish, anti-science, wilfully ignorant fuckwits when I see them in the shops.

“You forgot your mask”
“You are a selfish ignorant fuckwit”
“Please don’t breed”

Or buy a can of fart spray and spray it onto their mouth, and say “I’m just testing mask quality”

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

here’s a question for you

after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid

and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

you haven’t gone near approaching who’s responsible for covid outbreaks in aged care

There must be people in charge of aged homes, probably management. Then it would depend on their ability to get access to the vaccines and so it moves up the line.

Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

transition said:

I doubt that’s the reality, pick a State, that most transmission is by unvaccinated people

the growth for example of NSW last month couldn’t be attributed to unvaccinated people, not entirely, not mostly, by any stretch

You may be right, but, if we look at things like the current shitshow in Canberra, where people are actually depositing their excrement in the open, as well as (by all representations) rather agin preventive measures and probably a lot of them not keen on vaccines, and who will ultimately disperse to their home localities, you can see how they can spread the disease out of all proportion to their ratio in the population.

I see people in supermarkets and such, obviously ‘parading’ the fact that they’re not wearing masks or cleaning hands etc, unlike the ‘sheeple’.

They must imagine that other people in the place see them as heroic individualistic defenders of personal freedoms.

In reality, it’s not hard to imagine a massive common thought bubble above the heads of everyone else which contains but two words: ‘bloody fuckwits’.

I have wondered what to say to those selfish, anti-science, wilfully ignorant fuckwits when I see them in the shops.

“You forgot your mask”
“You are a selfish ignorant fuckwit”
“Please don’t breed”

Or buy a can of fart spray and spray it onto their mouth, and say “I’m just testing mask quality”

Me, that mask isn’t much good below your nose.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t think that is the point, as vaccinations are only to stop people getting very sick and dying. The only ones to blame if anyone are the people who refuse to get vaccinated.

you haven’t gone near approaching who’s responsible for covid outbreaks in aged care

There must be people in charge of aged homes, probably management. Then it would depend on their ability to get access to the vaccines and so it moves up the line.

given the necessary traffic into aged care facilities, family visitors etc and more, that would hardly do the job in the context of endemic covid

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

you haven’t gone near approaching who’s responsible for covid outbreaks in aged care

There must be people in charge of aged homes, probably management. Then it would depend on their ability to get access to the vaccines and so it moves up the line.

given the necessary traffic into aged care facilities, family visitors etc and more, that would hardly do the job in the context of endemic covid

That is the procedure and if insufficient the cause would be known and could be fixed. Who or what are you blaming?

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

There must be people in charge of aged homes, probably management. Then it would depend on their ability to get access to the vaccines and so it moves up the line.

given the necessary traffic into aged care facilities, family visitors etc and more, that would hardly do the job in the context of endemic covid

That is the procedure and if insufficient the cause would be known and could be fixed. Who or what are you blaming?

my view is covid numbers, the real community numbers should never be allowed to exceed testing that quite accurately keeps track of it

my view is the broader community has a responsibility to that end

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

given the necessary traffic into aged care facilities, family visitors etc and more, that would hardly do the job in the context of endemic covid

That is the procedure and if insufficient the cause would be known and could be fixed. Who or what are you blaming?

my view is covid numbers, the real community numbers should never be allowed to exceed testing that quite accurately keeps track of it

my view is the broader community has a responsibility to that end

Don’t understand.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

That is the procedure and if insufficient the cause would be known and could be fixed. Who or what are you blaming?

my view is covid numbers, the real community numbers should never be allowed to exceed testing that quite accurately keeps track of it

my view is the broader community has a responsibility to that end

Don’t understand.

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

> transition said:

> here’s a question for you
> after everyone is vaccinated, committed to the endemic covid program, who is responsible for the premature death of the elderly, caused by covid
> and what i’m saying is vaccination + that commitment to endemic covid essentially makes nobody responsible

Obviously, the people who designed such a crappola vaccine.
And even more so, the people who forced the cost up and delayed distribution by 8 months.

Not even one of the vaccines on offer is a dead virus vaccine – currently all of the 5 flu vaccines are dead virus vaccines.
Not even one of the vaccines available is a weakened live virus vaccine – the polio vaccine is a weakened live virus vaccine.
Nobody is supplying vaccines tailored to the omicron or even delta strain.

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Thank you Car, a very precise and understandable explanation.

well fine then, SCIENCE will come right out and say it since nobody else does

we SCIENCE are the biggest anti-vaccination advocates you have ever seen

our goal is to achieve a society that gives 0 vaccinations

the strategic model we follow for this is: we aren’t vaccinating anyone against smallpox

This is one of the problems that has gone crazy here, is knowing when someone is being serious, sarcastic or even funny.

as you know we are all 4 at the same time

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

my view is covid numbers, the real community numbers should never be allowed to exceed testing that quite accurately keeps track of it

my view is the broader community has a responsibility to that end

Don’t understand.

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

Another victim of the doubt machine?

SCIENCE said:

Very fair comment.

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

my view is covid numbers, the real community numbers should never be allowed to exceed testing that quite accurately keeps track of it

my view is the broader community has a responsibility to that end

Don’t understand.

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t understand.

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

It seems an odd thing to say when Covid was out of the box long before we got a vaccine at all.

roughbarked said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

It seems an odd thing to say when Covid was out of the box long before we got a vaccine at all.

it’s not an odd thing to question a likely incorrect statement, where evidence that contradicts it exists

and I should have have said intentionally unvaccinated (those that refuse vaccination), and offered qualification in the context of many people not being able to get vaccinated because of age, but the likely truth of it stands

if out of the box is a reference to suppression, includes suppression, then you might want to consider of a respectable endemic equilibrium how and what maintains the equilibrium

you need accurate numbers of real infections, otherwise it’s a dog’s breakfast of covid being anywhere, and anywhere is good as everywhere, an oppressive dynamic

“The Victorian health department has released figures showing people who have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine are more than seven times more likely to end up in intensive care if they contract the virus compared to someone with three doses.

The department used figures from early February to evaluate the chances of a person with different levels of vaccine coverage needing greater hospital care.

It found someone who was unvaccinated was 4.5 times more likely to end up in ICU than someone who’d had two doses of vaccine, and 34 times more likely to need intensive care than someone who’d had a booster.”

Many years ago I’d be able to check that extrapolation but my days of doing statistics are lost in the mist of time.

N95+

transition said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

It seems an odd thing to say when Covid was out of the box long before we got a vaccine at all.

it’s not an odd thing to question a likely incorrect statement, where evidence that contradicts it exists

and I should have have said intentionally unvaccinated (those that refuse vaccination), and offered qualification in the context of many people not being able to get vaccinated because of age, but the likely truth of it stands

if out of the box is a reference to suppression, includes suppression, then you might want to consider of a respectable endemic equilibrium how and what maintains the equilibrium

you need accurate numbers of real infections, otherwise it’s a dog’s breakfast of covid being anywhere, and anywhere is good as everywhere, an oppressive dynamic

I’m glad I questioned it then. ;)

roughbarked said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

It seems an odd thing to say when Covid was out of the box long before we got a vaccine at all.

it’s not an odd thing to question a likely incorrect statement, where evidence that contradicts it exists

and I should have have said intentionally unvaccinated (those that refuse vaccination), and offered qualification in the context of many people not being able to get vaccinated because of age, but the likely truth of it stands

if out of the box is a reference to suppression, includes suppression, then you might want to consider of a respectable endemic equilibrium how and what maintains the equilibrium

you need accurate numbers of real infections, otherwise it’s a dog’s breakfast of covid being anywhere, and anywhere is good as everywhere, an oppressive dynamic

I’m glad I questioned it then. ;)

you and me both share a love of simple propositions and writ explanies that don’t result in a reader turning blue between fullstops and gasping please end this in our death throes fifteen words in

:)

roughbarked said:

dv said:

15 Out Of 23 Monkeys Implanted With Elon Musk’s Brain Chip Reportedly Dead As Neuralink Prepares For Human Trials

https://god.dailydot.com/elon-musk-monkeys/

Who let him have monkeys to play with?

Specifically, they claim rashes, brain hemorrhaging, and self-injury followed the implant in the 23 test subjects over those years. Perhaps most notably, 15 of those monkeys are now dead, with some having to be euthanized due to complications.

But Why Brain Chip Monkeys When You Can Infect Humans With Neuroinvasive Bat Virus For The Economy Must Grow ¿

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

15 Out Of 23 Monkeys Implanted With Elon Musk’s Brain Chip Reportedly Dead As Neuralink Prepares For Human Trials

https://god.dailydot.com/elon-musk-monkeys/

Who let him have monkeys to play with?

Specifically, they claim rashes, brain hemorrhaging, and self-injury followed the implant in the 23 test subjects over those years. Perhaps most notably, 15 of those monkeys are now dead, with some having to be euthanized due to complications.

But Why Brain Chip Monkeys When You Can Infect Humans With Neuroinvasive Bat Virus For The Economy Must Grow ¿

I had a look at that site, and I’m not convinced it is actually run by God.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Who let him have monkeys to play with?

Specifically, they claim rashes, brain hemorrhaging, and self-injury followed the implant in the 23 test subjects over those years. Perhaps most notably, 15 of those monkeys are now dead, with some having to be euthanized due to complications.

But Why Brain Chip Monkeys When You Can Infect Humans With Neuroinvasive Bat Virus For The Economy Must Grow ¿

I had a look at that site, and I’m not convinced it is actually run by God.

Everything is

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Specifically, they claim rashes, brain hemorrhaging, and self-injury followed the implant in the 23 test subjects over those years. Perhaps most notably, 15 of those monkeys are now dead, with some having to be euthanized due to complications.

But Why Brain Chip Monkeys When You Can Infect Humans With Neuroinvasive Bat Virus For The Economy Must Grow ¿

I had a look at that site, and I’m not convinced it is actually run by God.

Everything is

If that’s true, she indeed moves in mysterious ways.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Specifically, they claim rashes, brain hemorrhaging, and self-injury followed the implant in the 23 test subjects over those years. Perhaps most notably, 15 of those monkeys are now dead, with some having to be euthanized due to complications.

But Why Brain Chip Monkeys When You Can Infect Humans With Neuroinvasive Bat Virus For The Economy Must Grow ¿

I had a look at that site, and I’m not convinced it is actually run by God.

Everything is

they are a letting a few balls drop, might be time for a performance review.

Arts said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I had a look at that site, and I’m not convinced it is actually run by God.

Everything is

they are a letting a few balls drop, might be time for a performance review.

Into each a life a few balls must drop

fuck well at least being a hypercapitalist prick is better than being Democratic People’s Republic of Western Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-14/qantas-flight-credit-policy-customer-complaints-covid/100824816

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t understand.

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

Being vaccinated does not stop you from catching covid, it does however in the vast majority of cases restrict the severity of the disease, meaning you are more likely to have mild systems rather than being hospitalised and possibly dying. Which would you chose?

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

captain_spalding said:

Waxing philosophical/Delphic.

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

Being vaccinated does not stop you from catching covid, it does however in the vast majority of cases restrict the severity of the disease, meaning you are more likely to have mild systems rather than being hospitalised and possibly dying. Which would you chose?

N95+

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

the same philosophy probably that inclined me back a way in this thread to point out that most covid transmission is not by unvaccinated people

Being vaccinated does not stop you from catching covid, it does however in the vast majority of cases restrict the severity of the disease, meaning you are more likely to have mild systems rather than being hospitalised and possibly dying. Which would you chose?

N95+

Apart from all of that. Vaccination also reduces the chances of transmission.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Being vaccinated does not stop you from catching covid, it does however in the vast majority of cases restrict the severity of the disease, meaning you are more likely to have mild systems rather than being hospitalised and possibly dying. Which would you chose?

N95+

Apart from all of that. Vaccination also reduces the chances of transmission.

Yes but 10% as well, decreasing to 1% over 12 months. Masks wear out as well we suppose.

I’m staying away from others as much as I can. Once a fortnight grocery shopping at Cooloola Cove and today, doctor’s appointment then pharmacy, then home.

I’m sorry I’m messing up others businesses, but there you have it. I don’t want to be caught up in “let it rip”, because I might become RIP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-02-15/country-towns-economic-struggle-omicron-keeps-locals-away/100819522

Michael V said:

I’m staying away from others as much as I can. Once a fortnight grocery shopping at Cooloola Cove and today, doctor’s appointment then pharmacy, then home.

I’m sorry I’m messing up others businesses, but there you have it. I don’t want to be caught up in “let it rip”, because I might become RIP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-02-15/country-towns-economic-struggle-omicron-keeps-locals-away/100819522

I’m not sorry I’m messing up other people’s businesses. There’s no point taking unnecessary risks.

I’m doing my normal grocery shopping but I’m not eating out anywhere. I might get a treat from the gelateria when I go Big Shopping but I’ll eat it in the park.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

I’m staying away from others as much as I can. Once a fortnight grocery shopping at Cooloola Cove and today, doctor’s appointment then pharmacy, then home.

I’m sorry I’m messing up others businesses, but there you have it. I don’t want to be caught up in “let it rip”, because I might become RIP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-02-15/country-towns-economic-struggle-omicron-keeps-locals-away/100819522

I’m not sorry I’m messing up other people’s businesses. There’s no point taking unnecessary risks.

I’m doing my normal grocery shopping but I’m not eating out anywhere. I might get a treat from the gelateria when I go Big Shopping but I’ll eat it in the park.

someone wise may have mentioned it before but in case they missed it we’ll bring them back

—

N95+

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

I’m staying away from others as much as I can. Once a fortnight grocery shopping at Cooloola Cove and today, doctor’s appointment then pharmacy, then home.

I’m sorry I’m messing up others businesses, but there you have it. I don’t want to be caught up in “let it rip”, because I might become RIP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-02-15/country-towns-economic-struggle-omicron-keeps-locals-away/100819522

I’m not sorry I’m messing up other people’s businesses. There’s no point taking unnecessary risks.

I’m doing my normal grocery shopping but I’m not eating out anywhere. I might get a treat from the gelateria when I go Big Shopping but I’ll eat it in the park.

someone wise may have mentioned it before but in case they missed it we’ll bring them back

—

N95+

P2 is the Australian standard…

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not sorry I’m messing up other people’s businesses. There’s no point taking unnecessary risks.

I’m doing my normal grocery shopping but I’m not eating out anywhere. I might get a treat from the gelateria when I go Big Shopping but I’ll eat it in the park.

someone wise may have mentioned it before but in case they missed it we’ll bring them back

—

N95+

P2 is the Australian standard…

if N95+ isn’t clear enough we’re happy to write N95+oe in the future

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

someone wise may have mentioned it before but in case they missed it we’ll bring them back

—

N95+

P2 is the Australian standard…

if N95+ isn’t clear enough we’re happy to write N95+oe in the future

P2 is the Australian standard…

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

P2 is the Australian standard…

if N95+ isn’t clear enough we’re happy to write N95+oe in the future

P2 is the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

P2 is the Australian standard…

if N95+ isn’t clear enough we’re happy to write N95+oe in the future

P2 is the Australian standard…

P2 Masks Vs N95: What’s The Difference?.

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

if N95+ isn’t clear enough we’re happy to write N95+oe in the future

P2 is the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

I don’t know, but you seem to have a problem with people not using the correct units but have no problem consistently quoting the incorrect standard…

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

if N95+ isn’t clear enough we’re happy to write N95+oe in the future

P2 is the Australian standard…

P2 Masks Vs N95: What’s The Difference?.

So P2s are better than N95s.

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

P2 is the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

I don’t know, but you seem to have a problem with people not using the correct units but have no problem consistently quoting the incorrect standard…

to which international standard do you refer

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

P2 is the Australian standard…

P2 Masks Vs N95: What’s The Difference?.

So P2s are better than N95s.

depends on what you want

Under their respective standards, P2 masks are required to filter at least 94% of airborne particles, while N95 masks are required to filter at least 95%. That being said, our AMD P2 masks have a nano-filter that goes beyond this requirement, filtering out 99.66% of airborne particles. This has been tested by VICLAB (BSI) 17.7.20 and you can learn more about that here.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

P2 is the Australian standard…

P2 Masks Vs N95: What’s The Difference?.

So P2s are better than N95s.

so N95+ would include anything better, like a P2 if there were such a standard in existence

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

are we exporting masks to the world

I don’t know, but you seem to have a problem with people not using the correct units but have no problem consistently quoting the incorrect standard…

to which international standard do you refer

You know full well that I’m referring to the Australian standard…

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

furious said:

P2 is the Australian standard…

P2 Masks Vs N95: What’s The Difference?.

So P2s are better than N95s.

Don’t know, I didn’t actually read it :)

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

I don’t know, but you seem to have a problem with people not using the correct units but have no problem consistently quoting the incorrect standard…

to which international standard do you refer

You know full well that I’m referring to the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

anyway this UnAustralian so-called “expert” claims to be in Melbourne but obviously is lying

Support Local Standards Or Die

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

to which international standard do you refer

You know full well that I’m referring to the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

You know full well that I’m referring to the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

Except it if you look on eBay, for example, most Australian sellers are selling N95s or FFP2s (European standard).

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

are we exporting masks to the world

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

Except it if you look on eBay, for example, most Australian sellers are selling N95s or FFP2s (European standard).

Except it = except

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

You know full well that I’m referring to the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

right but seems a bit excessive to compare it to an international system that we weren’t even talking about, given our comment was supposed to be the usual Forum piss up about units of weight versus units of mass

nevertheless as the good anaesthetist-anaesthesiologist (which of those is Australian, we ask) shows, apparently plenty of other national standards available in Australia which we’ve come to accept isn’t the centre of the world

but anyone who doesn’t like the idea that they aren’t the centre of the world can go right back to 中国

fine maybe in future we’ll just say KF94+ and you can all deal with it

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

are we exporting masks to the world

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

Except it if you look on eBay, for example, most Australian sellers are selling N95s or FFP2s (European standard).

Because all you hear about is N95 in the media so people flock to them. Doesn’t make it right…

furious said:

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

Except it if you look on eBay, for example, most Australian sellers are selling N95s or FFP2s (European standard).

Because all you hear about is N95 in the media so people flock to them. Doesn’t make it right…

Maybe there’s just more of them and/or they’re cheaper.

completely separately to the gas mask discussion, this is good narrative shit

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

are we exporting masks to the world

I already answered that question but how is that relevant to you telling people in Australia to wear a mask if they want to best avoid COVID? If you are telling someone in Australia to wear a mask, best to go with the Australian standard, you know, the P2…

right but seems a bit excessive to compare it to an international system that we weren’t even talking about, given our comment was supposed to be the usual Forum piss up about units of weight versus units of mass

nevertheless as the good anaesthetist-anaesthesiologist (which of those is Australian, we ask) shows, apparently plenty of other national standards available in Australia which we’ve come to accept isn’t the centre of the world

but anyone who doesn’t like the idea that they aren’t the centre of the world can go right back to 中国

The good doctor might be in breach of regulations if they truly are wearing an N95 in an Australian work place. Or maybe they just got a stock photo off the internet for illustration purposes. Not saying that there is an issue with N95 masks but they aren’t the correct standard for Australian use,..

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

btm said:

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

did you inform her of the correct way to wear a mask?

JudgeMental said:

btm said:

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

did you inform her of the correct way to wear a mask?

Or offer her a peg for her nose?

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

btm said:

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

did you inform her of the correct way to wear a mask?

Or offer her a peg for her nose?

I pointed out the inconsistency, and that she wasn’t wearing it correctly, but she didn’t do anything about it. I left, and have no plans to return.

btm said:

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

Don’t you have the little green tick on your phone?

btm said:

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

Well that would be a good reason not to go near that business if not vaccinated :)

SCIENCE said:

LOLOLOLOL

SCIENCE said:

furious said:

SCIENCE said:

to which international standard do you refer

You know full well that I’m referring to the Australian standard…

are we exporting masks to the world

N95 is fine

the Australian standards for endemic equilibrium are quite shit though, fucken disgrace really

btm said:

I’ve just been told I couldn’t enter a business because I didn’t have proof of vaccination — by a woman whose mask only covered her mouth, not her nose.

Huh!

btm said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

did you inform her of the correct way to wear a mask?

Or offer her a peg for her nose?

I pointed out the inconsistency, and that she wasn’t wearing it correctly, but she didn’t do anything about it. I left, and have no plans to return.

How come you didn’t have proof of vaccination?

anyway because we care about truth we’ll see if we know any healthcare worker[s] who can inform us what the hospitals are stocking

and as furious recommends we will consider modifying our recommendation to

P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+

since it’s easy enough to copy-paste anyway

but if we’ve missed any you’d like please let us know

Witty Rejoinder said:

btm said:

captain_spalding said:

Or offer her a peg for her nose?

I pointed out the inconsistency, and that she wasn’t wearing it correctly, but she didn’t do anything about it. I left, and have no plans to return.

How come you didn’t have proof of vaccination?

‘e was a mathematician and the discussion wasn’t constructive enough

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

To what purpose?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

Most important…

All glass in rooms have their own ventilation.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

To what purpose?

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

That one airholes in it, but yes a bit like that without the airholes.

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

To what purpose?

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

4. To get them used to prison visiting rooms…

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pollies / diplomats and lobbies should use meeting rooms with glass walls with secure tamper proof microphone/speakers built into the glass walls.

1 One design for a meeting room could be sofa style, causal with two sofas facing each other but with a top to bottom glass wall.

2 Another design could be a meeting room with a long table cut in half with a glass wall running right down the centre of it.

3 Another design could be chairs facing each other with a glass wall between them.

To what purpose?

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

To what purpose?

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Or, you know, do a video call, or something…

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Or, you know, do a video call, or something…

That too, but overseas comms are risky.

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Or, you know, do a video call, or something…

One could ask with so many computers and smartphones around why aren’t they using them more often?

I’m using video/phone links between my doctor, psychologist.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m using video/phone links between my doctor, psychologist.

Is the lady next door still using Morse?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m using video/phone links between my doctor, psychologist.

Is the lady next door still using Morse?

Not so much now after being told off about a month ago.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

To what purpose?

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Zoom meetings might be cheaper and much safer.

furious said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Or, you know, do a video call, or something…

Much cheaper. Much safer. Much quicker.

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

1 If their don’t wish to wear masks while talking.

2 If someone has COVID

3 For extra protection

A pollie from overseas could fly in, have a chat in a glass room without masks or if he she has COVID and fly out again.

The glass rooms must have their own ventilation.

Zoom meetings might be cheaper and much safer.

And less secure…China…some of their phone companies too.

Something like it and more secure would be better.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m using video/phone links between my doctor, psychologist.

Is the lady next door still using Morse?

Not so much now after being told off about a month ago.

Was she communicating to you in Morse /code?

I missed that.

Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is the lady next door still using Morse?

Not so much now after being told off about a month ago.

Was she communicating to you in Morse /code?

I missed that.

Three years of noise and harassment from a neighbour.

Michael V said:

I’m staying away from others as much as I can. Once a fortnight grocery shopping at Cooloola Cove and today, doctor’s appointment then pharmacy, then home.

I’m sorry I’m messing up others businesses, but there you have it. I don’t want to be caught up in “let it rip”, because I might become RIP.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2022-02-15/country-towns-economic-struggle-omicron-keeps-locals-away/100819522

possibly not a few endemitards work in mainstream TV, whatever though you’ll be helped none with distinguishing between the policy of endemic covid and the virus itself if you are receptive to their message delivery system

oh well this should fail to excite most of the rest of yous

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00540-0

but we suppose it’s good news for the antiantivaccination crowd

SCIENCE said:

P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+

The fuckwhittery is complete in this one.

SCIENCE said:

oh well this should fail to excite most of the rest of yous

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00540-0

but we suppose it’s good news for the antiantivaccination crowd

Erectile dysfunction in the deliberately unvaxxed can only be a good thing.

spike frog

S:D215N

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

oh well this should fail to excite most of the rest of yous

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00540-0

but we suppose it’s good news for the antiantivaccination crowd

Erectile dysfunction in the deliberately unvaxxed can only be a good thing.

that’s not very nice, master car

i’m sure you don’t intend that to be so unkind, because you probably have an idea the same could happen with covid bouncing around in a fully vaccinated population, and really it all comes down to how an individual’s immune system responds and more, which isn’t uniform across any sample of a population, or not made uniform by vaccination

i’m sure you haven’t adopted some secret notion, so secret perhaps it might be kept from your self, that vaccinations result in a sameness of immune response to covid infection, that would surely be more like magic or hoodoo or something, like faith maybe

anyway i’d put to you the possibility people are duped into believing vaccination does provide a sameness of response to exposure to covid, sort of a covid equality, equality of the vaccinated, equality of immune response

and maybe it does a little, even quite a bit, make it more equal, but what of that excluded by the force of that idea, in believing it does more-so than it really does, the possible harm done, harm done by arrogance from presumed sameness and superior sameness of immune response

I mean in assuming equality of immune response do you secretly invite endemic covid to test the truth of it

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

oh well this should fail to excite most of the rest of yous

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00540-0

but we suppose it’s good news for the antiantivaccination crowd

Erectile dysfunction in the deliberately unvaxxed can only be a good thing.

that’s not very nice, master car

i’m sure you don’t intend that to be so unkind, because you probably have an idea the same could happen with covid bouncing around in a fully vaccinated population, and really it all comes down to how an individual’s immune system responds and more, which isn’t uniform across any sample of a population, or not made uniform by vaccination

i’m sure you haven’t adopted some secret notion, so secret perhaps it might be kept from your self, that vaccinations result in a sameness of immune response to covid infection, that would surely be more like magic or hoodoo or something, like faith maybe

anyway i’d put to you the possibility people are duped into believing vaccination does provide a sameness of response to exposure to covid, sort of a covid equality, equality of the vaccinated, equality of immune response

and maybe it does a little, even quite a bit, make it more equal, but what of that excluded by the force of that idea, in believing it does more-so than it really does, the possible harm done, harm done by arrogance from presumed sameness and superior sameness of immune response

I mean in assuming equality of immune response do you secretly invite endemic covid to test the truth of it

It was intended to be humorous comment, welcoming a lower breeding rate amongst stupid people.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Erectile dysfunction in the deliberately unvaxxed can only be a good thing.

that’s not very nice, master car

i’m sure you don’t intend that to be so unkind, because you probably have an idea the same could happen with covid bouncing around in a fully vaccinated population, and really it all comes down to how an individual’s immune system responds and more, which isn’t uniform across any sample of a population, or not made uniform by vaccination

i’m sure you haven’t adopted some secret notion, so secret perhaps it might be kept from your self, that vaccinations result in a sameness of immune response to covid infection, that would surely be more like magic or hoodoo or something, like faith maybe

anyway i’d put to you the possibility people are duped into believing vaccination does provide a sameness of response to exposure to covid, sort of a covid equality, equality of the vaccinated, equality of immune response

and maybe it does a little, even quite a bit, make it more equal, but what of that excluded by the force of that idea, in believing it does more-so than it really does, the possible harm done, harm done by arrogance from presumed sameness and superior sameness of immune response

I mean in assuming equality of immune response do you secretly invite endemic covid to test the truth of it

It was intended to be humorous comment, welcoming a lower breeding rate amongst stupid people.

serious question though re vaccination resulting in arrogance from assumed sameness of immune function

I mean the doses are all the same, the contents quality verified for consistency

do people absorb that notion of vaccine consistency, which is a fairly reliable truth, and apply it further to the internal environments of human beings, the immune system/s and more

and further do people apply that idea of consistency about the vaccine to what others should think, how they ought think about immunity, and other peoples immune systems, but instead they call it the vaccine, the jab, vaccination

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

that’s not very nice, master car

i’m sure you don’t intend that to be so unkind, because you probably have an idea the same could happen with covid bouncing around in a fully vaccinated population, and really it all comes down to how an individual’s immune system responds and more, which isn’t uniform across any sample of a population, or not made uniform by vaccination

i’m sure you haven’t adopted some secret notion, so secret perhaps it might be kept from your self, that vaccinations result in a sameness of immune response to covid infection, that would surely be more like magic or hoodoo or something, like faith maybe

anyway i’d put to you the possibility people are duped into believing vaccination does provide a sameness of response to exposure to covid, sort of a covid equality, equality of the vaccinated, equality of immune response

and maybe it does a little, even quite a bit, make it more equal, but what of that excluded by the force of that idea, in believing it does more-so than it really does, the possible harm done, harm done by arrogance from presumed sameness and superior sameness of immune response

I mean in assuming equality of immune response do you secretly invite endemic covid to test the truth of it

It was intended to be humorous comment, welcoming a lower breeding rate amongst stupid people.

serious question though re vaccination resulting in arrogance from assumed sameness of immune function

I mean the doses are all the same, the contents quality verified for consistency

do people absorb that notion of vaccine consistency, which is a fairly reliable truth, and apply it further to the internal environments of human beings, the immune system/s and more

and further do people apply that idea of consistency about the vaccine to what others should think, how they ought think about immunity, and other peoples immune systems, but instead they call it the vaccine, the jab, vaccination

I assume the effectiveness of vaccines is measured statistically, when we’re talking whole populations. Obviously there are going to be variations in efficacy from individual to individual.

well, it’s a way to look at it

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452

Many symptoms of post-COVID syndrome could be caused by lasting damage sustained to one of the most important nerves in the human body during initial infection with coronavirus, new research has suggested. The vagus nerve is the 10th cranial nerve and is the longest and most complex of all of them. It runs from the brain throughout the entirety of the face and chest, reaching the abdomen. The vagus nerve serves as the main connection between the brain and the gastrointestinal tract, sending back information about the state of the inner organs. As well as being crucial to the gastrointestinal system, as it controls the transfer of food from the mouth to the stomach and moves food through the intestines, the vagus nerve is also responsible for multiple other processes, such as controlling the heart rate, sweat production and the gag reflex, as well as certain muscle movements in the mouth, including those necessary for speech.

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https://www.ft.com/content/70020670-9f45-451b-8612-0a785ac16a5e

Success All Going As Planned

Population changes provide UK with unexpected boost to public finances

UK ministers will be under far less pressure to raise taxes in the coming years to pay for the costs of the country’s ageing population because of falling birth rates, declining life expectancy and rising immigration.

Although the UK population is ageing, making it more expensive for taxpayers to provide public services, fewer children and pensioners than previously expected and more immigrants will all ease the pressures on the public finances, according to Financial Times analysis of the latest official predictions on demographic trends. It means the government will have to find just £13bn in extra taxation to fund public services each year by the end of the decade, or 0.4 per cent of national income, instead of the £69bn implied by previous estimates for population changes by the UK statistical agency. But while the demographic trends provide a better than expected outlook for the public finances if ministers want to run a balanced current budget, they also highlight looming policy challenges. These include a need for school closures as pupil numbers fall and a possible undermining of the plan to raise the state pension age.

The FT’s calculations are based on the latest population projections from the Office for National Statistics and the Office for Budget Responsibility’s estimates of the differences in taxes paid and public expenditure received by people at each stage of their lives. The most recent ONS population forecasts were done on the basis of fewer babies being born, shorter life expectancy and more immigrants than in previous demographic projections. Instead of predicting there will be 85.4mn people in the UK in 2080 as it did as recently as 2014, the ONS now expects there will be 71.8mn. It means that the government will have to find £35bn in extra taxation each year to fund public services for the ageing population by 2040, rather than the £145bn implied by ONS population forecasts from 2014.

Luke Sibieta, a research fellow at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, another think-tank, said the latest ONS projections would lead to empty classrooms. “In the end, you will need fewer schools or fewer forms within schools,” he added, saying that the benefits to the public purse would come “depending on how quickly you can close schools”.

Higher immigration will help to pay for the UK’s ageing population, but the boost to the public finances will begin to wane later this century as those coming to Britain from overseas get older and the lower level of births result in fewer working age people to pay for pensions.

UNEXPECTED

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-16/first-woman-reported-cured-of-hiv-after-bone-marrow-transplant/100833872

SCIENCE said:

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452

Many symptoms of post-COVID syndrome could be caused by lasting damage sustained to one of the most important nerves in the human body during initial infection with coronavirus, new research has suggested. The vagus nerve is the 10th cranial nerve and is the longest and most complex of all of them. It runs from the brain throughout the entirety of the face and chest, reaching the abdomen. The vagus nerve serves as the main connection between the brain and the gastrointestinal tract, sending back information about the state of the inner organs. As well as being crucial to the gastrointestinal system, as it controls the transfer of food from the mouth to the stomach and moves food through the intestines, the vagus nerve is also responsible for multiple other processes, such as controlling the heart rate, sweat production and the gag reflex, as well as certain muscle movements in the mouth, including those necessary for speech.

Interesting, thanks.

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452

Many symptoms of post-COVID syndrome could be caused by lasting damage sustained to one of the most important nerves in the human body during initial infection with coronavirus, new research has suggested. The vagus nerve is the 10th cranial nerve and is the longest and most complex of all of them. It runs from the brain throughout the entirety of the face and chest, reaching the abdomen. The vagus nerve serves as the main connection between the brain and the gastrointestinal tract, sending back information about the state of the inner organs. As well as being crucial to the gastrointestinal system, as it controls the transfer of food from the mouth to the stomach and moves food through the intestines, the vagus nerve is also responsible for multiple other processes, such as controlling the heart rate, sweat production and the gag reflex, as well as certain muscle movements in the mouth, including those necessary for speech.

Interesting, thanks.

+1

SCIENCE said:

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https://www.ft.com/content/70020670-9f45-451b-8612-0a785ac16a5e

Success All Going As Planned

Population changes provide UK with unexpected boost to public finances

UK ministers will be under far less pressure to raise taxes in the coming years to pay for the costs of the country’s ageing population because of falling birth rates, declining life expectancy and rising immigration.

Although the UK population is ageing, making it more expensive for taxpayers to provide public services, fewer children and pensioners than previously expected and more immigrants will all ease the pressures on the public finances, according to Financial Times analysis of the latest official predictions on demographic trends. It means the government will have to find just £13bn in extra taxation to fund public services each year by the end of the decade, or 0.4 per cent of national income, instead of the £69bn implied by previous estimates for population changes by the UK statistical agency. But while the demographic trends provide a better than expected outlook for the public finances if ministers want to run a balanced current budget, they also highlight looming policy challenges. These include a need for school closures as pupil numbers fall and a possible undermining of the plan to raise the state pension age.

The FT’s calculations are based on the latest population projections from the Office for National Statistics and the Office for Budget Responsibility’s estimates of the differences in taxes paid and public expenditure received by people at each stage of their lives. The most recent ONS population forecasts were done on the basis of fewer babies being born, shorter life expectancy and more immigrants than in previous demographic projections. Instead of predicting there will be 85.4mn people in the UK in 2080 as it did as recently as 2014, the ONS now expects there will be 71.8mn. It means that the government will have to find £35bn in extra taxation each year to fund public services for the ageing population by 2040, rather than the £145bn implied by ONS population forecasts from 2014.

Luke Sibieta, a research fellow at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, another think-tank, said the latest ONS projections would lead to empty classrooms. “In the end, you will need fewer schools or fewer forms within schools,” he added, saying that the benefits to the public purse would come “depending on how quickly you can close schools”.

Higher immigration will help to pay for the UK’s ageing population, but the boost to the public finances will begin to wane later this century as those coming to Britain from overseas get older and the lower level of births result in fewer working age people to pay for pensions.

UNEXPECTED

It’s a message that can’t be emphasised enough. It’s true in Australia too. Immigrants are a net benefit to government coffers.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

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https://www.ft.com/content/70020670-9f45-451b-8612-0a785ac16a5e

Success All Going As Planned

Population changes provide UK with unexpected boost to public finances

UK ministers will be under far less pressure to raise taxes in the coming years to pay for the costs of the country’s ageing population because of falling birth rates, declining life expectancy and rising immigration.

Although the UK population is ageing, making it more expensive for taxpayers to provide public services, fewer children and pensioners than previously expected and more immigrants will all ease the pressures on the public finances, according to Financial Times analysis of the latest official predictions on demographic trends. It means the government will have to find just £13bn in extra taxation to fund public services each year by the end of the decade, or 0.4 per cent of national income, instead of the £69bn implied by previous estimates for population changes by the UK statistical agency. But while the demographic trends provide a better than expected outlook for the public finances if ministers want to run a balanced current budget, they also highlight looming policy challenges. These include a need for school closures as pupil numbers fall and a possible undermining of the plan to raise the state pension age.

The FT’s calculations are based on the latest population projections from the Office for National Statistics and the Office for Budget Responsibility’s estimates of the differences in taxes paid and public expenditure received by people at each stage of their lives. The most recent ONS population forecasts were done on the basis of fewer babies being born, shorter life expectancy and more immigrants than in previous demographic projections. Instead of predicting there will be 85.4mn people in the UK in 2080 as it did as recently as 2014, the ONS now expects there will be 71.8mn. It means that the government will have to find £35bn in extra taxation each year to fund public services for the ageing population by 2040, rather than the £145bn implied by ONS population forecasts from 2014.

Luke Sibieta, a research fellow at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, another think-tank, said the latest ONS projections would lead to empty classrooms. “In the end, you will need fewer schools or fewer forms within schools,” he added, saying that the benefits to the public purse would come “depending on how quickly you can close schools”.

Higher immigration will help to pay for the UK’s ageing population, but the boost to the public finances will begin to wane later this century as those coming to Britain from overseas get older and the lower level of births result in fewer working age people to pay for pensions.

UNEXPECTED

It’s a message that can’t be emphasised enough. It’s true in Australia too. Immigrants are a net benefit to government coffers.

Read this bit again & you may rethink your post: ~ but the boost to the public finances will begin to wane later this century as those coming to Britain from overseas get older and the lower level of births result in fewer working age people to pay for pensions.

SCIENCE said:

well, it’s a way to look at it

you ever noticed how the concept of inevitability has special powers, even magical powers

I mean who could have a concept like that and restrain it to one particular thing, one particular event, you see it’s quite naturally expansionist, wandering, occupying cognitive territory, banishing thoughts contrary, an expedient beast

and there it is, let loose in the marginals, a cognitive patch, a reality patch, that serves consensus reality

“The West Australian Parliament passed requiring members to show proof of coronavirus vaccination yesterday.
Sophia Moermond for the Legalise Cannabis Party left the upper house chamber yesterday after refusing to publicly reveal her vaccination status.”

Peak Warming Man said:

“The West Australian Parliament passed requiring members to show proof of coronavirus vaccination yesterday.
Sophia Moermond for the Legalise Cannabis Party left the upper house chamber yesterday after refusing to publicly reveal her vaccination status.”

Draxx them sklounst

“Western Australia’s 128 cases mark the first day over 100 since the pandemic began”

Mr McGowan, pull down that wall.

better make sure you have them P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ masks

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.14.480335v1

Statistical analysis shows that the effective reproduction number of BA.2 is 1.4-fold higher than that of BA.1. Neutralisation experiments show that the vaccine-induced humoral immunity fails to function against BA.2 like BA.1, and notably, the antigenicity of BA.2 is different from BA.1. Cell culture experiments show that BA.2 is more replicative in human nasal epithelial cells and more fusogenic than BA.1. Furthermore, infection experiments using hamsters show that BA.2 is more pathogenic than BA.1.

humans, hamsters, nah don’t worry totally different

Pandemic Control Strategy

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/hikikomori-seiko-goto-japan/100792330

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/little-bay-shark-attack-swimmers-told-stay-out-of-water/100838406

The community is in shock after the attack, the first in decades in Sydney

Shortly after 4:30pm, four ambulances and a rescue helicopter were called to Buchan Point, on the northern side of the beach. NSW Ambulance said the person who died “suffered catastrophic injuries” and there was nothing paramedics could do.

All beaches in the Randwick Local Government area are closed as a precaution and surf lifesavers are urging swimmers to stay out of the water in Sydney’s east.

He described the attack as horrific and alarming. “There is a real dark pall hanging over the beaches because this is where we bring our children down — if you live in and around the city, we come here every day in summer,” he said. “We understand that this is very, very rare, but that doesn’t in any way diminish how horrific and shocking it is. It is heartbreaking. We are thinking about the family.”

“To lose someone to a shark like this is chilling. We are all in shock.”

Randwick City Council has closed its beaches including Little Bay, Malabar, Maroubra, Coogee, Clovelly and La Perouse for 24 hours. The Council said it was the first fatal shark attack in the area in recent memory. A non-fatal shark attack happened at Congwong Beach, further south in Botany Bay, in February 2018. The last fatal shark attack on a Sydney beach was in 1963 at Sugarloaf Bay in Middle Harbour.

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/covid-in-nsw-schools-over-20-thousand-cases-first-two-weeks/100837760

More than 20,000 NSW school children have tested positive for COVID-19 in the first two weeks of the school year and the number of cases among students is rising rapidly, with an almost 50 per cent increase between week one and week two.

She said she was doubtful that parents were being diligent with testing children multiple times a week.

yeah no shit what do you think will happen if you (1) give a million “free” tests to school students each week and (2) make them fucking expensive slash inaccessible for the rest of the population and (3) have a shitty preexisting level of wealth inequality that may even be exacerbated by a pandemic but also has family size inversely correlating with finances

Epidemiologist Angela Webster said it was understandable that parents were concerned about COVID-19 in schools, but children would be vulnerable inside or outside the classroom. “The prevalence of Omicron cases is so high that not very different from being out and about in the supermarket or other areas,” she said. “The case burden was with before school went back and after school went back.”

fuck we don’t know, what’s the difference between (1) being inside versus outside for risk of catching an airborne virus, (2) school which is compulsory and typically cans several students together in a small space listening to people talking or singing or otherwise aerosolising versus supermarkets or other areas which involve trade and really it is the parents who control the money, (3) a high case count in the community during a period when people spread out for holiday versus a time when we are cramming all those students together

NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet had strongly advocated for the reopening of schools and previously declared the state was “leading the way” in a safe return to class.

it’s been said many times that schools have always been open…

No Fascism Eugenics Preexisting Conditions Here

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/abs-data-cald-communities-worse-affected-by-covid-outbreaks/100834104

There have been almost three times as many COVID-19 deaths in Australia among people born overseas compared to those who were born here, according to new official figures described by federal Labor as “disturbing and appalling”.

see we knew it LABOR are just shills supporting overseas interests the communist bastards

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has examined the nation’s COVID-19 death statistics and found those who were born in North Africa and the Middle East were about 10 times more likely to die from the virus than those born in Australia — after age was accounted for — while people who came from South-East Asia and Southern and Central Asia recorded twice as many COVID-19 deaths.

obviously there’s an easy solution to this no matter what dv says about migrants, if we Stop The Boats and there are no new people who were born overseas coming to our shores, then once we’ve killed the remaining ones we won’t have a disproportionate death rate will we

Is this thread broken? We seem to have gone back to last week’s.

btm said:

Is this thread broken? We seem to have gone back to last week’s.

Looks like we were using it this morning up to a bit after 9.00am. I haven’t looked further.

buffy said:

btm said:

Is this thread broken? We seem to have gone back to last week’s.

Looks like we were using it this morning up to a bit after 9.00am. I haven’t looked further.

at least Bubblecar didn’t get out his December 2019 chat thread.

>>The Victorian government has announced an easing of the state’s COVID-19 restrictions, but mask requirements are to remain in place for the time being.

From 6pm tomorrow density limits will be removed at hospitality venues, and QR check-ins will no longer be required in retail settings schools, and many workplaces.<<

To be honest the checking in has been rather pointless for some weeks now.

buffy said:

>>The Victorian government has announced an easing of the state’s COVID-19 restrictions, but mask requirements are to remain in place for the time being.

From 6pm tomorrow density limits will be removed at hospitality venues, and QR check-ins will no longer be required in retail settings schools, and many workplaces.<<

To be honest the checking in has been rather pointless for some weeks now.

I’d say months if you were in NSW.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

>>The Victorian government has announced an easing of the state’s COVID-19 restrictions, but mask requirements are to remain in place for the time being.

From 6pm tomorrow density limits will be removed at hospitality venues, and QR check-ins will no longer be required in retail settings schools, and many workplaces.<<

To be honest the checking in has been rather pointless for some weeks now.

I’d say months if you were in NSW.

I’ve lost track of the time now, but I think notifying people stopped some time ago. I haven’t seen any lists of contact sites for ages. I admit to not bothering to check though. Not much point when I don’t really go anywhere except places where there aren’t any/many people.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

>>The Victorian government has announced an easing of the state’s COVID-19 restrictions, but mask requirements are to remain in place for the time being.

From 6pm tomorrow density limits will be removed at hospitality venues, and QR check-ins will no longer be required in retail settings schools, and many workplaces.<<

To be honest the checking in has been rather pointless for some weeks now.

I’d say months if you were in NSW.

I’ve lost track of the time now, but I think notifying people stopped some time ago. I haven’t seen any lists of contact sites for ages. I admit to not bothering to check though. Not much point when I don’t really go anywhere except places where there aren’t any/many people.

We get the occasional email that an infected visited the store…1-3 weeks after the fact.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

I’d say months if you were in NSW.

I’ve lost track of the time now, but I think notifying people stopped some time ago. I haven’t seen any lists of contact sites for ages. I admit to not bothering to check though. Not much point when I don’t really go anywhere except places where there aren’t any/many people.

We get the occasional email that an infected visited the store…1-3 weeks after the fact.

It has been a bit of a schemozzle. The websites everything got a bit overwhelmed at times. I also got a warning half a day after I had been fiddling with the phone trying ro fix the check out from the day before that. ie: wasn’t actually at the site at the time.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

I’ve lost track of the time now, but I think notifying people stopped some time ago. I haven’t seen any lists of contact sites for ages. I admit to not bothering to check though. Not much point when I don’t really go anywhere except places where there aren’t any/many people.

We get the occasional email that an infected visited the store…1-3 weeks after the fact.

It has been a bit of a schemozzle. The websites everything got a bit overwhelmed at times. I also got a warning half a day after I had been fiddling with the phone trying ro fix the check out from the day before that. ie: wasn’t actually at the site at the time.

all of that but none of that we mean for anyone who’s been wearing P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ masks all 2 years then really the check in shit has been useless for the entire pandemic

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

We get the occasional email that an infected visited the store…1-3 weeks after the fact.

It has been a bit of a schemozzle. The websites everything got a bit overwhelmed at times. I also got a warning half a day after I had been fiddling with the phone trying ro fix the check out from the day before that. ie: wasn’t actually at the site at the time.

all of that but none of that we mean for anyone who’s been wearing P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ masks all 2 years then really the check in shit has been useless for the entire pandemic

I’ve worn masks and stayed away from close proximity. My closest friend tested positive so we didn’t see each other for three weeks.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

In the open ocean? I bet they don’t.

There have been many bull shark attacks in the harbour area, but victims have survived.

>>Shark attacks in the Sydney region: Between 1852 – 2014 there were a total of 83 unprovoked shark attacks in the Sydney region (excluding Wobbegong shark bites) including 40 fatalities

https://taronga.org.au/sites/default/files/content/pdf/Review_of_Shark_Attacks_Sydney_2015.pdf#:~:text=Shark%20attacks%20in%20the%20Sydney%20region%3A%20Between%201852,from%2025%2C000%20to%204%2C500%2C000%20people%20%28see%20Table%201%29.

Have you ever been to Sydney? All the major beaches are ocean beaches.

In the late arvo and early evening Dad would take us to Balmoral or Manly.Harbour beaches that were netted when I was young. Still?

¿¿ wait they put nets up to stop dangerous things from getting through, when exponential growth over 162 years has culminated in a whopping 83 shark attacks ??

what the fuck

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Have you ever been to Sydney? All the major beaches are ocean beaches.

In the late arvo and early evening Dad would take us to Balmoral or Manly.Harbour beaches that were netted when I was young. Still?

¿¿ wait they put nets up to stop dangerous things from getting through, when exponential growth over 162 years has culminated in a whopping 83 shark attacks ??

what the fuck

The shark net was taken down not more than 10 years ago in 2008 but stood here each summer for almost 75 years. It was constructed in 1935 after several fatal shark attacks around Middle Harbour in the early 1900s. At the time there was some opposition to the construction of the net with arguments to do with aesthetics and hygiene.

Interestingly when the council were considering taking it down there was also resistance with some siting it’s heritage value and others referencing it’s contribution to beach safety. However the costs to maintain and the lack of shark attacks in the area ultimately signaled the end of the historic and controversial Edwards Beach shark net.

http://www.historyofsydney.com.au/edwards-beach-shark-net-balmoral/

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

Have you ever been to Sydney? All the major beaches are ocean beaches.

In the late arvo and early evening Dad would take us to Balmoral or Manly.Harbour beaches that were netted when I was young. Still?

¿¿ wait they put nets up to stop dangerous things from getting through, when exponential growth over 162 years has culminated in a whopping 83 shark attacks ??

what the fuck

They could just put up signs saying: PLEASE NOTE – Sharks live in the sea and swim here on occasion

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

In the late arvo and early evening Dad would take us to Balmoral or Manly.Harbour beaches that were netted when I was young. Still?

¿¿ wait they put nets up to stop dangerous things from getting through, when exponential growth over 162 years has culminated in a whopping 83 shark attacks ??

what the fuck

The shark net was taken down not more than 10 years ago in 2008 but stood here each summer for almost 75 years. It was constructed in 1935 after several fatal shark attacks around Middle Harbour in the early 1900s. At the time there was some opposition to the construction of the net with arguments to do with aesthetics and hygiene.

Interestingly when the council were considering taking it down there was also resistance with some siting it’s heritage value and others referencing it’s contribution to beach safety. However the costs to maintain and the lack of shark attacks in the area ultimately signaled the end of the historic and controversial Edwards Beach shark net.

http://www.historyofsydney.com.au/edwards-beach-shark-net-balmoral/

They could just put up signs saying: PLEASE NOTE – Sharks live in the sea and swim here on occasion

ah the Marketing Parrot’s favorite, individual responsibility

yes yes it’s an americanism there

apparently 1,200 is More Than 6 at least according to

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/1200-is-more-than-6/

During the 2020-2021 flu season, a mere 9 children ages 5-11 years were hospitalized with the flu. Meanwhile, during this time COVID-19 hospitalized thousands of children this age, about 1/3 them needing ICU-level care. Since the start of the pandemic, over 1,200 children died of COVID-19, while 6 children died of the flu.

it’s Irish so they have COVID-18 but apart from that

Beautiful, Look At That Economy Must Grow

I reckon there is going to be some confusion here in Victoria. The removal of the imperative to QR code in to retail does not extend to hospitality places and you still have to have the vax proof for hospitality places. Not sure the public in general is going to notice that nuance. I suspect staff in hospitality are in for more pain.

buffy said:

I reckon there is going to be some confusion here in Victoria. The removal of the imperative to QR code in to retail does not extend to hospitality places and you still have to have the vax proof for hospitality places. Not sure the public in general is going to notice that nuance. I suspect staff in hospitality are in for more pain.

With the vast majority having proof of vaccination on their phone, check-in for hospitality shouldn’t be a major problem IMO.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I reckon there is going to be some confusion here in Victoria. The removal of the imperative to QR code in to retail does not extend to hospitality places and you still have to have the vax proof for hospitality places. Not sure the public in general is going to notice that nuance. I suspect staff in hospitality are in for more pain.

With the vast majority having proof of vaccination on their phone, check-in for hospitality shouldn’t be a major problem IMO.

You haven’t spent a lot of time dealing face to face with The Public, have you.

:)

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I reckon there is going to be some confusion here in Victoria. The removal of the imperative to QR code in to retail does not extend to hospitality places and you still have to have the vax proof for hospitality places. Not sure the public in general is going to notice that nuance. I suspect staff in hospitality are in for more pain.

With the vast majority having proof of vaccination on their phone, check-in for hospitality shouldn’t be a major problem IMO.

You haven’t spent a lot of time dealing face to face with The Public, have you.

:)

Most people probably aren’t as dim-witted as those you associate with.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

With the vast majority having proof of vaccination on their phone, check-in for hospitality shouldn’t be a major problem IMO.

You haven’t spent a lot of time dealing face to face with The Public, have you.

:)

Most people probably aren’t as dim-witted as those you associate with.

That’s a bit of a slur on the population of the Western District of Victoria. I practiced for nearly 40 years with these people.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

You haven’t spent a lot of time dealing face to face with The Public, have you.

:)

Most people probably aren’t as dim-witted as those you associate with.

That’s a bit of a slur on the population of the Western District of Victoria. I practiced for nearly 40 years with these people.

I worked on a site with over 1000+ employees and found the vast majority to be calm and reasonable when treated fairly and I expect the same was true of your clientele. What doesn’t help is a haughty and condescending attitude.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

With the vast majority having proof of vaccination on their phone, check-in for hospitality shouldn’t be a major problem IMO.

You haven’t spent a lot of time dealing face to face with The Public, have you.

:)

Most people probably aren’t as dim-witted as those you associate with.

I think you are incorrect.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Most people probably aren’t as dim-witted as those you associate with.

That’s a bit of a slur on the population of the Western District of Victoria. I practiced for nearly 40 years with these people.

I worked on a site with over 1000+ employees and found the vast majority to be calm and reasonable when treated fairly and I expect the same was true of your clientele. What doesn’t help is a haughty and condescending attitude.

A work site is a different place.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

That’s a bit of a slur on the population of the Western District of Victoria. I practiced for nearly 40 years with these people.

I worked on a site with over 1000+ employees and found the vast majority to be calm and reasonable when treated fairly and I expect the same was true of your clientele. What doesn’t help is a haughty and condescending attitude.

A work site is a different place.

So people suddenly lose all their wits in a retail setting?

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I worked on a site with over 1000+ employees and found the vast majority to be calm and reasonable when treated fairly and I expect the same was true of your clientele. What doesn’t help is a haughty and condescending attitude.

A work site is a different place.

So people suddenly lose all their wits in a retail setting?

If you want to put it that way. I won’t stop you. but Yes.

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

A work site is a different place.

So people suddenly lose all their wits in a retail setting?

If you want to put it that way. I won’t stop you. but Yes.

I would argue that large organisations with many employees on site are far more likely to exhibit all the petty follies of humanity than small businesses where people generally know each other much better but the former IMO is no reason to tar the vast majority as unreasonable or recalcitrant. Maybe it’s just me as I am generally a people person.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I worked on a site with over 1000+ employees and found the vast majority to be calm and reasonable when treated fairly and I expect the same was true of your clientele. What doesn’t help is a haughty and condescending attitude.

A work site is a different place.

So people suddenly lose all their wits in a retail setting?

Quite a few do – some retail settings cause a lot of stress for people and you don’t get them at their usual self.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So people suddenly lose all their wits in a retail setting?

If you want to put it that way. I won’t stop you. but Yes.

I would argue that large organisations with many employees on site are far more likely to exhibit all the petty follies of humanity than small businesses…

You haven’t seen the range of people available, even with the big organisation xp.

anyway all you petty dogs you’re as bad as federal parliament, guess we’ll come in and lighten the mood with some CHINA bashing thank you all

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-18/hong-kong-covid-zero-no-match-for-omicron/100838410

bet they’re wishing they left it all to the UK now, the empire that island rightfully belongs to if not for a sense of decency and righteousness to return things to historical cultural claims

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-18/perth-businesses-report-downturn-as-covid-19-hits-state/100836358

hope y’al’r’ wearing them P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ masks out of home right now

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-18/perth-businesses-report-downturn-as-covid-19-hits-state/100836358

hope y’al’r’ wearing them P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ masks out of home right now

Yep. Have to wear them at all times here at work.

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Looks like Western Australia is going to lose the battle to stop a major outbreak there. From late late last year or so I kept an eye on the numbers growing in each state and once they exceeded about 40 – 50 per day the number of new infections rapidly took off. Naturally each state is a bit different and I do hope that with the great expanse of WA that it’ll reduce that rapid increase.

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

Same again. I suspect they’ve lost control of containing the virus.

I’m sticking with my guess. :(

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Unfortunately I seem to be correct. :(

Same again. I suspect they’ve lost control of containing the virus.

I’m sticking with my guess. :(

That’s about the same for my whole town.

roughbarked said:

Spiny Norman said:

Spiny Norman said:

Same again. I suspect they’ve lost control of containing the virus.

I’m sticking with my guess. :(

That’s about the same for my whole town.

the program for wild background covid to get those planes landing, quarantine-free arrival, lower the apparent negative consequences of new infections, the media and various other forces been working on the WA loyalties for a while, swinging them

got to the stage of the Sate being compared to North Korea

the ultimate poverty when everything becomes subject to comparisons, wandering comparison

Western Australia has recorded 194 new local cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest total yet, however no-one is currently in hospital with the virus.
The news comes as a WA government spokesman confirmed Labor MP Terry Healy, who sat in parliament for three days this week, is a close contact of a COVID-19 case.
The spokesman said Mr Healy, who delivered a 30 minute speech in the chamber on Thursday, was awaiting the result of a PCR test.

One thing I’ve noticed is that some countries seems to report low deaths each day, and retrospectively update with the full figures later. This has the effect of making it seem on a day to day basis that they aren’t incurring much trouble, and it is only when you compare month to month that you can see what the real picture is.

Here is a table of the deaths per million population since the start of 2022. Australia is basically middle of the pack but is doing better than almost all developed nations.

Rank	Country	Deaths start 2022	Deaths now	Diff	Population	Deaths per 1M since start 2022
1	British Virgin Islands	39	61	22	30533	721
2	Bulgaria	31027	34884	3857	6869817	561
3	Bosnia and Herzegovina	13442	15232	1790	3250144	551
4	Croatia	12609	14679	2070	4067212	509
5	Georgia	13942	15771	1829	3977658	460
6	Trinidad and Tobago	2914	3549	635	1406298	452
7	Curaçao	189	260	71	165101	430
8	North Macedonia	7975	8851	876	2083245	420
9	Greece	20910	25095	4185	10346526	404
10	Hungary	39434	43066	3632	9623482	377
11	Montenegro	2416	2646	230	628185	366
12	USA	847408	955497	108089	333918903	324
13	Poland	97592	109509	11917	37784312	315
14	Caribbean Netherlands	23	31	8	26589	301
15	San Marino	100	110	10	34038	294
16	Lithuania	7439	8219	780	2665183	293
17	Saint Lucia	301	353	52	184888	281
18	Slovenia	5603	6174	571	2079367	275
19	Palau		5	5	18224	274
20	Slovakia	16740	18201	1461	5463616	267
21	Latvia	4579	5073	494	1854848	266
22	Anguilla	5	9	4	15204	263
23	Malta	479	594	115	443310	259
24	Turks and Caicos	26	36	10	39503	253
25	Monaco	39	49	10	39660	252
26	Seychelles	134	159	25	99262	252
27	Italy	137646	152282	14636	60328203	243
28	Russia	311353	343957	32604	146028505	223
29	Saint Kitts and Nevis	28	40	12	53764	223
30	Martinique	779	861	82	374828	219
31	Serbia	12760	14666	1906	8684471	219
32	Réunion	409	603	194	904911	214
33	Sint Maarten	75	84	9	43607	206
34	Paraguay	16637	18116	1479	7264112	204
35	Faeroe Islands	14	24	10	49142	203
36	Montserrat	1	2	1	4997	200
37	Suriname	1190	1307	117	594528	197
38	Guadeloupe	750	828	78	400227	195
39	Bermuda	110	122	12	61932	194
40	Uruguay	6175	6838	663	3491820	190
41	Guyana	1055	1203	148	792255	187
42	Moldova	10290	11041	751	4019872	187
43	France	123942	136142	12200	65490561	186
44	Peru	202741	208964	6223	33661517	185
45	Ukraine	96301	104106	7805	43338813	180
46	St. Vincent Grenadines	83	103	20	111469	179
47	Romania	58796	62188	3392	19044782	178
48	Spain	89405	97710	8305	46781994	178
49	Saint Pierre Miquelon		1	1	5751	174
50	Czechia	36255	38106	1851	10738837	172
51	Portugal	18990	20708	1718	10152022	169
52	Argentina	117204	124924	7720	45818746	168
53	UK	148851	160221	11370	68421816	166
54	Israel	8244	9768	1524	9326000	163
55	Antigua and Barbuda	119	135	16	99147	161
56	Estonia	1938	2152	214	1327876	161
57	Aruba	181	198	17	107447	158
58	Denmark	3287	4207	920	5822852	158
59	Greenland	1	10	9	56918	158
60	Liechtenstein	69	75	6	38292	157
61	Barbados	262	307	45	287904	156
62	French Guiana	339	386	47	310293	151
63	Colombia	130026	137733	7707	51697466	149
64	Channel Islands	113	139	26	176270	148
65	Canada	30369	35923	5554	38239247	145
66	Sweden	15271	16733	1462	10193878	143
67	Tunisia	25586	27295	1709	12004364	142
68	Dominica	47	57	10	72255	138
69	Bolivia	19722	21342	1620	11912117	136
70	Fiji	700	823	123	906204	136
71	Cyprus	639	802	163	1220563	134
72	Belgium	28331	29886	1555	11665412	133
73	Namibia	3655	3997	342	2609972	131
74	Andorra	140	150	10	77451	129
75	Bahamas	717	768	51	398888	128
76	Panama	7433	7993	560	4416739	127
77	Finland	1564	2265	701	5553655	126
78	Saint Martin	58	63	5	39656	126
79	Grenada	200	214	14	113306	124
80	Isle of Man	67	77	10	85709	117
81	Mexico	299544	314598	15054	130967361	115
82	Lebanon	9154	9909	755	6779502	111
83	South Africa	91228	97955	6727	60431627	111
84	Brazil	619171	641997	22826	214829399	106
85	Turkey	82635	91646	9011	85702128	105
86	Luxembourg	915	982	67	641266	104
87	Solomon Islands		74	74	712151	104
88	Germany	112878	121447	8569	84186512	102
89	Costa Rica	7353	7874	521	5163993	101
90	Armenia	7983	8278	295	2971566	99
91	Australia	2266	4834	2568	25944230	99
92	Ireland	5912	6402	490	5020626	98
93	Jamaica	2476	2769	293	2980588	98
94	Switzerland	12284	13117	833	8749707	95
95	Chile	39162	40936	1774	19362698	92
96	Jordan	12710	13608	898	10355277	87
97	Austria	13759	14537	778	9083608	86
98	Cabo Verde	352	400	48	565057	85
99	Ecuador	33681	35105	1424	18045284	79
100	Palestine	4675	5088	413	5279320	78
101	Azerbaijan	8375	9157	782	10276456	76
102	Belize	602	633	31	408462	76
103	Belarus	5609	6313	704	9444652	75
104	Cayman Islands	12	17	5	66881	75
105	Albania	3220	3430	210	2873074	73
106	Botswana	2444	2608	164	2422881	68
107	Eswatini	1310	1386	76	1178206	65
108	Vietnam	32831	39278	6447	98654178	65
109	Libya	5722	6169	447	7011596	64
110	Sao Tome and Principe	57	71	14	225267	62
111	Iceland	37	58	21	344570	61
112	Maldives	262	290	28	554834	50
113	Norway	1305	1548	243	5484923	44
114	Sri Lanka	15019	15926	907	21548157	42
115	Philippines	51586	55409	3823	111771200	34
116	Guatemala	16109	16709	600	18412977	33
117	Iran	131680	134420	2740	85607376	32
118	El Salvador	3825	4027	202	6535379	31
119	Gibraltar	100	101	1	33676	30
120	S. Korea	5730	7283	1553	51335494	30
121	Netherlands	20957	21449	492	17191846	29
122	Laos	391	602	211	7434078	28
123	Mongolia	2060	2155	95	3357545	28
124	Morocco	14855	15855	1000	37567596	27
125	Kazakhstan	13025	13519	494	19114005	26
126	Zimbabwe	5032	5381	349	15187784	23
127	Japan	18395	21198	2803	125894511	22
128	Bahrain	1395	1433	38	1790206	21
129	India	481893	510937	29044	1400383713	21
130	Malaysia	31532	32239	707	32988729	21
131	Mauritania	872	975	103	4832952	21
132	New Caledonia	281	287	6	289621	21
133	Kyrgyzstan	2805	2939	134	6685782	20
134	Oman	4117	4225	108	5301421	20
135	Egypt	21797	23580	1783	105231226	17
136	Honduras	10434	10608	174	10141102	17
137	Singapore	829	930	101	5919462	17
138	Iraq	24167	24824	657	41576667	16
139	Qatar	618	660	42	2807805	15
140	Cuba	8324	8482	158	11316226	14
141	Kuwait	2468	2525	57	4365397	13
142	Lesotho	671	696	25	2167761	12
143	Malawi	2371	2600	229	19871343	12
144	Thailand	21738	22568	830	70063176	12
145	UAE	2168	2292	124	10069862	12
146	Algeria	6291	6772	481	45039564	11
147	Madagascar	1027	1335	308	28758711	11
148	Nepal	11596	11911	315	29923402	11
149	Sudan	3331	3831	500	45385157	11
150	Dominican Republic	4249	4354	105	11011306	10
151	Zambia	3743	3941	198	19155976	10
152	Gambia	343	365	22	2518472	9
153	Venezuela	5333	5582	249	28314841	9
154	Eritrea	76	103	27	3620122	7
155	Guinea-Bissau	149	164	15	2037778	7
156	Indonesia	144097	146044	1947	277867812	7
157	Mayotte	185	187	2	282689	7
158	Rwanda	1355	1454	99	13433810	7
159	Syria	2905	3041	136	18138372	7
160	Gabon	288	302	14	2304519	6
161	Uganda	3302	3577	275	47906324	6
162	Bangladesh	28077	28907	830	167153867	5
163	Equatorial Guinea	175	182	7	1472068	5
164	Mozambique	2019	2189	170	32568488	5
165	Afghanistan	7361	7526	165	40243675	4
166	Angola	1772	1899	127	34398824	4
167	Ethiopia	6958	7430	472	119234985	4
168	French Polynesia	636	637	1	283348	4
169	Ghana	1303	1433	130	32046218	4
170	Haiti	766	814	48	11611279	4
171	Kenya	5384	5633	249	55548392	4
172	Pakistan	28943	29950	1007	227329335	4
173	Papua New Guinea	590	628	38	9201387	4
174	Senegal	1890	1958	68	17405667	4
175	Uzbekistan	1485	1614	129	34197505	4
176	Yemen	1984	2114	130	30811554	4
177	Bhutan	3	5	2	784369	3
178	Burkina Faso	318	375	57	21762806	3
179	Cameroon	1851	1920	69	27537010	3
180	Guinea	391	438	47	13666991	3
181	Hong Kong	213	238	25	7588351	3
182	Ivory Coast	720	791	71	27358055	3
183	Saudi Arabia	8879	8978	99	35627851	3
184	Togo	248	271	23	8569801	3
185	CAR	101	113	12	4955816	2
186	Comoros	158	160	2	897396	2
187	Mali	668	717	49	21125390	2
188	Timor-Leste	122	125	3	1356133	2
189	Congo	367	375	8	5721818	1
190	DRC	1205	1316	111	93643302	1
191	Liberia	287	290	3	5236011	1
192	Myanmar	19274	19319	45	54957799	1
193	Nicaragua	212	219	7	6742920	1
194	Niger	276	303	27	25519519	1
195	Nigeria	3033	3141	108	213803194	1
196	Somalia	1333	1345	12	16558112	1
197	Tanzania	737	796	59	62285373	1
198	Benin	161	163	2	12599430	0
199	Brunei	98	98	0	443771	0
200	Burundi	38	38	0	12421721	0
201	Cambodia	3014	3015	1	17066398	0
202	Chad	184	190	6	17132581	0
203	China	4636	4636	0	1439323776	0
204	Djibouti	189	189	0	1009572	0
205	Falkland Islands			0	3632	0
206	Macao			0	662626	0
207	Marshall Islands			0	59790	0
208	Mauritius	762	762	0	1274940	0
209	Micronesia			0	116834	0
210	New Zealand	51	53	2	5002100	0
211	Saint Helena			0	6104	0
212	Samoa			0	200395	0
213	Sierra Leone	123	125	2	8220413	0
214	South Sudan	135	137	2	11390819	0
215	St. Barth	6	6	0	9922	0
216	Taiwan	850	852	2	23881556	0
217	Tajikistan	124	124	0	9859045	0
218	Tonga			0	107494	0
219	Vanuatu	1	1	0	317912	0
220	Vatican City			0	804	0
221	Wallis and Futuna	7	7	0	10943	0
222	Western Sahara	1	1	0	619368	0