Here, have a new thread; the previous has reached its use-by date.
I’m still staying at home as much as possible, and when I do go out, I wear a mask, stay a reasonable distance from others and hand sanitise often.
Michael V said:
Here, have a new thread; the previous has reached its use-by date.I’m still staying at home as much as possible, and when I do go out, I wear a mask, stay a reasonable distance from others and hand sanitise often.
I was already in virtual lockdown pre-Covid and haven’t changed my ways much. In the shops less and wearing a mask when there.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Here, have a new thread; the previous has reached its use-by date.I’m still staying at home as much as possible, and when I do go out, I wear a mask, stay a reasonable distance from others and hand sanitise often.
I was already in virtual lockdown pre-Covid and haven’t changed my ways much. In the shops less and wearing a mask when there.
Me too but Cairns tomorrow which isn’t all that good.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Here, have a new thread; the previous has reached its use-by date.I’m still staying at home as much as possible, and when I do go out, I wear a mask, stay a reasonable distance from others and hand sanitise often.
I was already in virtual lockdown pre-Covid and haven’t changed my ways much. In the shops less and wearing a mask when there.
Me too but Cairns tomorrow which isn’t all that good.
Good luck with all that.
:)
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:I was already in virtual lockdown pre-Covid and haven’t changed my ways much. In the shops less and wearing a mask when there.
Me too but Cairns tomorrow which isn’t all that good.
Good luck with all that.
:)
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3
tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
transition said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3
tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
so is it a correct interpretation of the situation or not
transition said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
Tamb said:
transition said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
I had a similar experience. Stuff ‘em.
What you do, is, open it in a new private tab then when the message appears, select “I’ll fix it next time”…
furious said:
Tamb said:
transition said:tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
I had a similar experience. Stuff ‘em.What you do, is, open it in a new private tab then when the message appears, select “I’ll fix it next time”…
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3
tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
so is it a correct interpretation of the situation or not
Hildebrand is another marketing man.
I think we’ve all seen enough of the ideas from marketing men over the last few years to understand the likely value of Mr H’s take on the matter.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/end-of-restrictions-exposes-senseless-covid-scaremongering/news-story/e84643e7f745d3745f08065791419dd3
tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
so is it a correct interpretation of the situation or not
There’s still a lot of people dying of Covid and at record levels over the past few weeks in Queensland.
A comprehensive look at excessive deaths would help in seeing if he’s on the right tram or not.
I’ve given up trying to find that out.
The number of people who have died with or from Covid-19 has varied greatly worldwide. Peru, the world’s worst-affected country, has had 6,067 Covid-19 deaths for every million inhabitants and 88,345 recorded cases per million people. Roughly one in every 15 people who have caught Covid-19 in Peru has died.
At the other end of the spectrum, there’s New Zealand. It’s had only ten deaths and 3,136 cases for every million people, meaning only one in every 313 Covid-19 cases in New Zealand ended with the person dying.
In between, some countries have had a relatively high number of infections but which have still managed to keep their death numbers low — countries like Japan. It’s had 17,612 infections per million people yet only 146 deaths per million. Despite almost one in three people in Japan being over the age of 65 and so at greater risk of severe Covid-19 (the average age of people dying from Covid-19 is over 80). What has kept the death rate there down?
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:transition said:
tried to read that but insists i’ve got an adblocker (and drops a big whatever on the page encouraging me to allow ads), which haven’t but certainly don’t let my browser execute any shit, and perhaps it is shit
so is it a correct interpretation of the situation or not
There’s still a lot of people dying of Covid and at record levels over the past few weeks in Queensland.
A comprehensive look at excessive deaths would help in seeing if he’s on the right tram or not.
I’ve given up trying to find that out.
Try this https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/statistics#caseoverview
Then find statistics.
Spiny Norman said:
The number of people who have died with or from Covid-19 has varied greatly worldwide. Peru, the world’s worst-affected country, has had 6,067 Covid-19 deaths for every million inhabitants and 88,345 recorded cases per million people. Roughly one in every 15 people who have caught Covid-19 in Peru has died.At the other end of the spectrum, there’s New Zealand. It’s had only ten deaths and 3,136 cases for every million people, meaning only one in every 313 Covid-19 cases in New Zealand ended with the person dying.
In between, some countries have had a relatively high number of infections but which have still managed to keep their death numbers low — countries like Japan. It’s had 17,612 infections per million people yet only 146 deaths per million. Despite almost one in three people in Japan being over the age of 65 and so at greater risk of severe Covid-19 (the average age of people dying from Covid-19 is over 80). What has kept the death rate there down?
Lack of poverty in the low death rate countries would be my guess.
poikilotherm said:
Spiny Norman said:
The number of people who have died with or from Covid-19 has varied greatly worldwide. Peru, the world’s worst-affected country, has had 6,067 Covid-19 deaths for every million inhabitants and 88,345 recorded cases per million people. Roughly one in every 15 people who have caught Covid-19 in Peru has died.At the other end of the spectrum, there’s New Zealand. It’s had only ten deaths and 3,136 cases for every million people, meaning only one in every 313 Covid-19 cases in New Zealand ended with the person dying.
In between, some countries have had a relatively high number of infections but which have still managed to keep their death numbers low — countries like Japan. It’s had 17,612 infections per million people yet only 146 deaths per million. Despite almost one in three people in Japan being over the age of 65 and so at greater risk of severe Covid-19 (the average age of people dying from Covid-19 is over 80). What has kept the death rate there down?
Lack of poverty in the low death rate countries would be my guess.
oh, it was one of those gut bacteria articles…
poikilotherm said:
Spiny Norman said:
The number of people who have died with or from Covid-19 has varied greatly worldwide. Peru, the world’s worst-affected country, has had 6,067 Covid-19 deaths for every million inhabitants and 88,345 recorded cases per million people. Roughly one in every 15 people who have caught Covid-19 in Peru has died.At the other end of the spectrum, there’s New Zealand. It’s had only ten deaths and 3,136 cases for every million people, meaning only one in every 313 Covid-19 cases in New Zealand ended with the person dying.
In between, some countries have had a relatively high number of infections but which have still managed to keep their death numbers low — countries like Japan. It’s had 17,612 infections per million people yet only 146 deaths per million. Despite almost one in three people in Japan being over the age of 65 and so at greater risk of severe Covid-19 (the average age of people dying from Covid-19 is over 80). What has kept the death rate there down?
Lack of poverty in the low death rate countries would be my guess.
Thank goodness that someone other than me takes the Covid situation in Peru seriously. Yes it is the world’s worst affected country through 2020-2021.
I’ve noticed that there’s zero correlation between poverty and high death rate.
For example, a country with high death rate may be one with a lot of old people, which would be a country with no poverty.
I blame the presence of different strains in different countries. At least, that was the best explanation until delta came along.
With delta and omicron however, some other explanation is needed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/covid-in-nsw-schools-over-20-thousand-cases-first-two-weeks/100837760
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-20/queen-elizabeth-covid-19/100846798
Liz tests positive for Covid.
Deaths on the way up in Hungary (again), Armenia, Sweden, Greenland.
Highest death rates on 15 and 18th Feb were in Greenland
Deaths near peak in Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria.
Highest sustained death rate in Bulgaria.
Worldwide, deaths have almost doubled the most recent two months. !!!
Word on the street is that CHINA are going to use the sports propaganda party as an excuse to Throw It All Open and Let It Rip, so we thank all the forced mass infection enthusiasts for their love and support, and promise to see you all on the other side of the 4% brain cell loss per pop times 17 pops¡
mollwollfumble said:
deaths have almost doubled the most recent two months. !!!
looks like they double and halve every 3.5 days or so
Fuck Yeah ¡
Quick ¡ Bomb Them ¡
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Yeah ¡
what country is that, I probably should be able to work it out but, errr i’m thick
guess you’re more pointing to the global theme of living with covid, the spin on the global pandemic response failure
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck Yeah ¡
what country is that, I probably should be able to work it out but, errr i’m thick
guess you’re more pointing to the global theme of living with covid, the spin on the global pandemic response failure
don’t know if country is that relevant, the problem is worldwide, but here, we found
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
Fuck Yeah ¡
what country is that, I probably should be able to work it out but, errr i’m thick
guess you’re more pointing to the global theme of living with covid, the spin on the global pandemic response failure
don’t know if country is that relevant, the problem is worldwide, but here, we found
What is he talking about?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
what country is that, I probably should be able to work it out but, errr i’m thick
guess you’re more pointing to the global theme of living with covid, the spin on the global pandemic response failure
don’t know if country is that relevant, the problem is worldwide, but here, we found
What is he talking about?
haven’t really looked into the 2nd one, just evidence suggesting the country is one that contains NW rural Iowa, wherever that is
as for the 1st one
Compassionate extubation is the withdrawal of mechanical ventilation at end of life (EOL) ensuring a comfortable and peaceful experience for the patient and family.
so presumably the Chaplain is unhappy that their service is having to frequently end lives of parents of 7 year olds
QEII has the COVIDs.
Thunder and lightning, very very frightening, Mumma mia, Mumma mia…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-20/queen-elizabeth-covid-19/100846798
Crisis Actors
SCIENCE said:
Crisis Actors
IDGI
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Crisis Actors
IDGI
Makes me wonder where he digs this shit up.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Crisis Actors
IDGI
Makes me wonder where he digs this shit up.
looks like Twitter but hey
presumably in a thread about COVID-19, the interpretation of the graphic is that someone caught COVID-19 and now reports dementia on MRI as above
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Crisis Actors
IDGI
Makes me wonder where he digs this shit up.
pointing to possibility, or likelihood covid may contribute to neuro-degenerative disease
if it did, substantially, well, add it to the decadence maybe
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:IDGI
Makes me wonder where he digs this shit up.
looks like Twitter but hey
presumably in a thread about COVID-19, the interpretation of the graphic is that someone caught COVID-19 and now reports dementia on MRI as above
Random anecdote by random unnamed person spruiking in the twittersphere. Great.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Makes me wonder where he digs this shit up.
looks like Twitter but hey
presumably in a thread about COVID-19, the interpretation of the graphic is that someone caught COVID-19 and now reports dementia on MRI as above
Random anecdote by random unnamed person spruiking in the twittersphere. Great.
certainly wouldn’t want your core reality turning on that
but i’d guess there will be neuro-degenerate disease onset that can’t be proved to be caused by covid exposure, that was in fact caused or hastened by covid exposure
meanwhile data will accumulate, it’s the new world you know, people love data, statistics, makes nice graphs and charts, numbers assist with detachment, related the human gift of abstraction, they’ll help you put the covid casualties over there, where everyone and nobody is responsible, the no place, the utopia of very limited responsibility dressed up as individual responsibility
you and I could become a random anecdote also
Impact of COVID-19 on the Onset and Progression of Alzheimer’s Disease and Related Dementias: A Roadmap for Future Research.
https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/alz.12488
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Makes me wonder where he digs this shit up.
looks like Twitter but hey
presumably in a thread about COVID-19, the interpretation of the graphic is that someone caught COVID-19 and now reports dementia on MRI as above
Random anecdote by random unnamed person spruiking in the twittersphere. Great.
shrug do doctors assess patients on the basis of their anecdotes
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:deaths have almost doubled the most recent two months. !!!
looks like they double and halve every 3.5 days or so
That’s been happening ever since the USA switched its reporting to a weekly cycle in early 2020, quickly followed by France, South America and Sweden. Predominantly Christian countries, actually. Only Atheist, Muslim and Jewish countries report accurately.
ABC News:
‘What will iso be like for 95-year-old Queen Elizabeth II?’
Umm…the words ‘pretty damn comfy’ spring to mind.
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re reading it at an insufficiently deep level
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re misreading it at a sufficiently deep level
SCIENCE said:
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re misreading it at a sufficiently deep level
Yeah. I know that cartoon. Like it.
My question about correlation vs causation involves vaccination.
We need to split off whether the declining mortality is caused by vaccination.
Or whether the declining mortality is due solely to time (eg. virus evolution) and has no causal connection to vaccination.
There’s enough information to decide. But nobody has done the analysis yet.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re misreading it at a sufficiently deep level
Yeah. I know that cartoon. Like it.
My question about correlation vs causation involves vaccination.
We need to split off whether the declining mortality is caused by vaccination.
Or whether the declining mortality is due solely to time (eg. virus evolution) and has no causal connection to vaccination.There’s enough information to decide. But nobody has done the analysis yet.
where is the information and how would one go about doing the analysis
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re misreading it at a sufficiently deep level
Yeah. I know that cartoon. Like it.
My question about correlation vs causation involves vaccination.
We need to split off whether the declining mortality is caused by vaccination.
Or whether the declining mortality is due solely to time (eg. virus evolution) and has no causal connection to vaccination.There’s enough information to decide. But nobody has done the analysis yet.
where is the information and how would one go about doing the analysis
Well you could just look at the monthly death per new cases ratio and correlate it to vaccinated . Like the US is pegging around 1.2 d/c with a 65% vaccination rate, whereas Australia is at about 0.2% d/c with an 81% vaccination status, and Bosnia has about 4% d/c with a 26% vaccination rate.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
Yeah. I know that cartoon. Like it.
My question about correlation vs causation involves vaccination.
We need to split off whether the declining mortality is caused by vaccination.
Or whether the declining mortality is due solely to time (eg. virus evolution) and has no causal connection to vaccination.There’s enough information to decide. But nobody has done the analysis yet.
where is the information and how would one go about doing the analysis
Well you could just look at the monthly death per new cases ratio and correlate it to vaccinated . Like the US is pegging around 1.2 d/c with a 65% vaccination rate, whereas Australia is at about 0.2% d/c with an 81% vaccination status, and Bosnia has about 4% d/c with a 26% vaccination rate.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
where is the information and how would one go about doing the analysis
Well you could just look at the monthly death per new cases ratio and correlate it to vaccinated . Like the US is pegging around 1.2 d/c with a 65% vaccination rate, whereas Australia is at about 0.2% d/c with an 81% vaccination status, and Bosnia has about 4% d/c with a 26% vaccination rate.
Pretty conclusive, then, vaccination leads to lower mortality.
I suppose we could introduce more dot points but hey.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re misreading it at a sufficiently deep level
Yeah. I know that cartoon. Like it.
My question about correlation vs causation involves vaccination.
We need to split off whether the declining mortality is caused by vaccination.
Or whether the declining mortality is due solely to time (eg. virus evolution) and has no causal connection to vaccination.There’s enough information to decide. But nobody has done the analysis yet.
I suspect different people would like different answers to that.
SCIENCE said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
this one might pique The Rev Dodgson’s interest
but on the other hand we’re not sure if we’re misreading it at a sufficiently deep level
Yeah. I know that cartoon. Like it.
My question about correlation vs causation involves vaccination.
We need to split off whether the declining mortality is caused by vaccination.
Or whether the declining mortality is due solely to time (eg. virus evolution) and has no causal connection to vaccination.There’s enough information to decide. But nobody has done the analysis yet.
where is the information and how would one go about doing the analysis
The data is here.
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data/
I’ve downloaded owid-covid-data.csv four times so far, it’s updated daily and the last copy I downloaded is now a month old.
Open it an analyse it using Excel. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced to go back from Excel 2008 in Windows 7 to an even earlier version of Excel in going to Windows 10, which can’t cope with all the data at once :-(
Analysis needed is:
1) Mark and extract peak death rates (to ignore quiescent periods) for each wave for each country
2) Make a statistical analysis Death = a * Time + b * Vaccination + c
(which can be done using proper linear regression or easy trial and error)
to find out if the reducing death rate is caused by vaccination or by time.
Direct plots from the data gave me things like:
“New figures from the ABS show people born in North Africa and the Middle East were 10 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those born in Australia.
People born in the UK and Ireland had similar death rates to Australian-born COVID-19 cases.”
——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
If English is not your first language, the messages don’t get through.
:(
——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-17/abs-data-cald-communities-worse-affected-by-covid-outbreaks/100834104
excellent
this link is posted to a thread titled “COVID —> 20-26/2/22” and is described as “open-letter-from-uk-scientists-and-medics-re-early-end-to-englands-isolation-rules” so interpret accordingly
although we’re not sure that this
is really news given we’re pretty sure virtually all the stuff was Made In CHINA anyway
but hey dreamers can dream yo
The Morrison government has overlooked Australian manufacturers to favour cheap overseas suppliers as it shops for millions of face masks, gowns, gloves and other personal protective equipment. The Health Department has issued a tender to replenish the national medical stockpile, with some items due to expire in coming months while millions have been sent to aged care facilities, pharmacists and GP practices.
“Without a deliberate effort to support Australian manufacturing, it’s almost certain that this production will go overseas to the lowest-cost producer,” Dr Stanford said. “The government said the pandemic was ‘forcing a rethink’ of our reliance on low-cost global supply chains, but this tender shows they’re still stuck in their bad old ways.”
In 2020, the Health Department scrambled to buy face masks from overseas amid global shortages, only to dispose of batches that failed a post-market review by the Therapeutic Goods Administration. “To put out a tender now, with no reference to domestic content and Australian capacity just sets us up for shortages,” Dr Stanford said. “We have to be able to produce essential medical supplies in Australia.”
maybe
then again, sardine tins
understatement of the minute
title: “Politics may have influenced use of ineffective COVID drugs”
Two treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against COVID-19 — hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin — were more heavily prescribed in the latter part of 2020 in U.S. counties with a higher Republican vote share in the 2020 presidential election, according to a new research letter co-authored by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
The study compared prescription rates for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin with rates for two control medications, methotrexate sodium and albendazole, which are similar drugs but have not been proposed as COVID-19 treatments. Researchers looked at deidentified medical claims data from January 2019 through December 2020 from roughly 18.5 million adults across the U.S., as well as U.S. Census data and 2020 U.S. presidential election results.
The findings suggest that the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin could have been influenced by physician or patient political affiliation, the authors concluded. “This is the first evidence, to our knowledge, of such a political divide for a basic clinical decision like infection treatment or prevention,” said Barnett.
SCIENCE said:
although we’re not sure that thisis really news given we’re pretty sure virtually all the stuff was Made In CHINA anyway
but hey dreamers can dream yo
The Morrison government has overlooked Australian manufacturers to favour cheap overseas suppliers as it shops for millions of face masks, gowns, gloves and other personal protective equipment. The Health Department has issued a tender to replenish the national medical stockpile, with some items due to expire in coming months while millions have been sent to aged care facilities, pharmacists and GP practices.
“Without a deliberate effort to support Australian manufacturing, it’s almost certain that this production will go overseas to the lowest-cost producer,” Dr Stanford said. “The government said the pandemic was ‘forcing a rethink’ of our reliance on low-cost global supply chains, but this tender shows they’re still stuck in their bad old ways.”
In 2020, the Health Department scrambled to buy face masks from overseas amid global shortages, only to dispose of batches that failed a post-market review by the Therapeutic Goods Administration. “To put out a tender now, with no reference to domestic content and Australian capacity just sets us up for shortages,” Dr Stanford said. “We have to be able to produce essential medical supplies in Australia.”
maybe
then again, sardine tins
Sardine tins?
I mean, I like sardines from time to time, but I don’t understand what you are getting at. Packed?
SCIENCE said:
understatement of the minutetitle: “Politics may have influenced use of ineffective COVID drugs”
Two treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against COVID-19 — hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin — were more heavily prescribed in the latter part of 2020 in U.S. counties with a higher Republican vote share in the 2020 presidential election, according to a new research letter co-authored by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
The study compared prescription rates for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin with rates for two control medications, methotrexate sodium and albendazole, which are similar drugs but have not been proposed as COVID-19 treatments. Researchers looked at deidentified medical claims data from January 2019 through December 2020 from roughly 18.5 million adults across the U.S., as well as U.S. Census data and 2020 U.S. presidential election results.
The findings suggest that the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin could have been influenced by physician or patient political affiliation, the authors concluded. “This is the first evidence, to our knowledge, of such a political divide for a basic clinical decision like infection treatment or prevention,” said Barnett.
Heck!
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
although we’re not sure that this
is really news given we’re pretty sure virtually all the stuff was Made In CHINA anyway
but hey dreamers can dream yo
The Morrison government has overlooked Australian manufacturers to favour cheap overseas suppliers as it shops for millions of face masks, gowns, gloves and other personal protective equipment. The Health Department has issued a tender to replenish the national medical stockpile, with some items due to expire in coming months while millions have been sent to aged care facilities, pharmacists and GP practices.
“Without a deliberate effort to support Australian manufacturing, it’s almost certain that this production will go overseas to the lowest-cost producer,” Dr Stanford said. “The government said the pandemic was ‘forcing a rethink’ of our reliance on low-cost global supply chains, but this tender shows they’re still stuck in their bad old ways.”
In 2020, the Health Department scrambled to buy face masks from overseas amid global shortages, only to dispose of batches that failed a post-market review by the Therapeutic Goods Administration. “To put out a tender now, with no reference to domestic content and Australian capacity just sets us up for shortages,” Dr Stanford said. “We have to be able to produce essential medical supplies in Australia.”
maybe
then again, sardine tins
Sardine tins?
I mean, I like sardines from time to time, but I don’t understand what you are getting at. Packed?
submarines not made in France
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
although we’re not sure that this
is really news given we’re pretty sure virtually all the stuff was Made In CHINA anyway
but hey dreamers can dream yo
The Morrison government has overlooked Australian manufacturers to favour cheap overseas suppliers as it shops for millions of face masks, gowns, gloves and other personal protective equipment. The Health Department has issued a tender to replenish the national medical stockpile, with some items due to expire in coming months while millions have been sent to aged care facilities, pharmacists and GP practices.
“Without a deliberate effort to support Australian manufacturing, it’s almost certain that this production will go overseas to the lowest-cost producer,” Dr Stanford said. “The government said the pandemic was ‘forcing a rethink’ of our reliance on low-cost global supply chains, but this tender shows they’re still stuck in their bad old ways.”
In 2020, the Health Department scrambled to buy face masks from overseas amid global shortages, only to dispose of batches that failed a post-market review by the Therapeutic Goods Administration. “To put out a tender now, with no reference to domestic content and Australian capacity just sets us up for shortages,” Dr Stanford said. “We have to be able to produce essential medical supplies in Australia.”
maybe
then again, sardine tins
Sardine tins?
I mean, I like sardines from time to time, but I don’t understand what you are getting at. Packed?
submarines not made in France
Ah. Thanks.
Today’s Qld figures. 
you know how influenza shots are updated each year
is it possible that the marginal utility of these shots is going to significantly decline
Denmark seems to have high cases and deaths going on at the moment.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
And Greece is having another go too.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/greece/
And what is going on in Israel? Aren’t they highly vaccinated?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
buffy said:
what is going on in Israel? Aren’t they highly vaccinated?
fun
https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/status/1495937068463239178
buffy said:
Denmark seems to have high cases and deaths going on at the moment.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/
And Greece is having another go too.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/greece/
And what is going on in Israel? Aren’t they highly vaccinated?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
Their latest peak in infections finished about 3 weeks ago.
So maybe the deaths just haven’t reached the peak yet because of good medical treatment delaying death in many cases.
The Rev Dodgson said:
So maybe the deaths just haven’t reached the peak yet because of good medical treatment delaying death in many cases.
Luckily in some cases if you can stretch them out to 28 days then you can reclassify it as a preexisting condition COVID-19-free death¡
one last thing
https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2022-02/WA-Health-COVID-Modelling.pdf
that’s a very … exact … number
anyway not in modelling document
et cetera
so keep up your P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ use and maybe you can turn that 464000 into 4640 and laugh at the foolishness of (almost) everywhere else
good luck
Nine Network apologises for ‘error’ suggesting Queen may have used ivermectin to treat Covid
Federal politicians and anti-vaxxer groups shared the A Current Affair clip before it was removed from social media by Nine
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/22/nine-network-apologises-after-accidentally-implying-queen-used-ivermectin-to-treat-covid
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Should probably go in Aus politics.
Following moll’s question about whether the efficacy of vaccination was showing up in the basic international stats I did go ahead and plot the vaccination rate (full) versus the mortality based on a recently completed week.
Qualitatively we can say that all of the countries with high mortality rates have low vaccination rates, and all those with high vaccination rates have low mortality rates.
The sloping edge of the wedge is marked by some outliers: Malta with 92% vaccination but 24 deaths per 1000 cases, Fiji with 69% vaccination but 45 deaths per 1000 cases.
On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
dv said:
Following moll’s question about whether the efficacy of vaccination was showing up in the basic international stats I did go ahead and plot the vaccination rate (full) versus the mortality based on a recently completed week.
Qualitatively we can say that all of the countries with high mortality rates have low vaccination rates, and all those with high vaccination rates have low mortality rates.
The sloping edge of the wedge is marked by some outliers: Malta with 92% vaccination but 24 deaths per 1000 cases, Fiji with 69% vaccination but 45 deaths per 1000 cases.
On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
thanks
if we have time we’ll try to factor in the demographics like age distribution but if anyone else has time then we’re also very happy for them to do it first
WA records 643 new local cases of COVID
Peak Warming Man said:
WA records 643 new local cases of COVID
How many non-local cases did they record?
Tau.Neutrino said:
better late than never
Serve Them Right The Dirty ASIANS Violating Human Rights With Their Purported Zero-COVID-19 Strategy
An 11-month old girl has died after contracting the coronavirus, becoming Hong Kong’s youngest pandemic-related victim and the third such death of young children in the past fortnight.
Health authorities said the baby, who had “good past health”, was in a stable condition until 4am on Saturday, when she developed a fever and started to suffer from convulsions. She was brought to the accident and emergency department of Tseung Kwan O Hospital, intubated and then transferred to the intensive care unit at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Yau Ma Tei.
more if you scale paywalls
“Now that’s my point of view — I actually value human life. I value it.”
we’ll see
I admittedly dint read the whole thread
but I’m dropping a link in case no one else has:
As BA.2 subvariant of Omicron rises, lab studies point to signs of severity
OK, you’ve seen this before, but I just updated Excel to the 2021 version, the older version wouldn’t display it.
This is the graph I need to check to see if correlation implies causation. The same graph would result if variants naturally get less deadly with time.
The analysis separating out the effects of vaccination vs those of time aren’t quite trivial.
I’ll start by downloading the latest data, this data is a month old.
mollwollfumble said:
OK, you’ve seen this before, but I just updated Excel to the 2021 version, the older version wouldn’t display it.This is the graph I need to check to see if correlation implies causation. The same graph would result if variants naturally get less deadly with time.
The analysis separating out the effects of vaccination vs those of time aren’t quite trivial.
I’ll start by downloading the latest data, this data is a month old.
Nice.
Just in case you missed it
Following moll’s question about whether the efficacy of vaccination was showing up in the basic international stats I did go ahead and plot the vaccination rate (full) versus the mortality based on a recently completed week.
Qualitatively we can say that all of the countries with high mortality rates have low vaccination rates, and all those with high vaccination rates have low mortality rates.
The sloping edge of the wedge is marked by some outliers: Malta with 92% vaccination but 24 deaths per 1000 cases, Fiji with 69% vaccination but 45 deaths per 1000 cases.
On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
dv said:
Just in case you missed it
Following moll’s question about whether the efficacy of vaccination was showing up in the basic international stats I did go ahead and plot the vaccination rate (full) versus the mortality based on a recently completed week.
Qualitatively we can say that all of the countries with high mortality rates have low vaccination rates, and all those with high vaccination rates have low mortality rates.
The sloping edge of the wedge is marked by some outliers: Malta with 92% vaccination but 24 deaths per 1000 cases, Fiji with 69% vaccination but 45 deaths per 1000 cases.
On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
Thanks. I hadn’t seen that. That strongly indicates that vaccination is a major cause of declining mortality.
It’s not quite watertight because the ratio of deaths/cases ignores the timelag of 10 days or so between cases and deaths, so gives the wrong figure if the case rate or death rate is rapidly rising or falling.
dv said:
On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
Note: official figures may not be actual figures.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
Note: official figures may not be actual figures.
True, and indeed there’s a lot of evidence the death counts in India for instance are much higher than posted.
Today’s Qld figures 
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:On the other hand there are a few countries that could be said to have low death to case ratio and low vaccination rates: South Sudan, Liberia, Gabon, Eq Guinea, Libya. They are almost all in Africa. If you plot out vax v mortality in Europe for instance, or the Americas, there isn’t that anomaly.
Note: official figures may not be actual figures.
True, and indeed there’s a lot of evidence the death counts in India for instance are much higher than posted.
so maybe that suggestion someone made about accounting for age distribution was good
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:Note: official figures may not be actual figures.
True, and indeed there’s a lot of evidence the death counts in India for instance are much higher than posted.
so maybe that suggestion someone made about accounting for age distribution was good
There was a great set of graphs a year or so back that compared the total number of deaths per country with the years before.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:True, and indeed there’s a lot of evidence the death counts in India for instance are much higher than posted.
so maybe that suggestion someone made about accounting for age distribution was good
There was a great set of graphs a year or so back that compared the total number of deaths per country with the years before.
Going by a comparison of previous years, the global death count is around 20 million now rather than the 6 million official deaths.
New deaths per million population vs time.
All countries with population exceeding 100,000 people
All dates where vaccination rate is not zero.
Conclusion, no obvious decrease in death rate with time.
Decrease in death rate with vaccination is much greater than decrease in death rate with time.
Covid deaths look like they will be with us for ever.
imagine preventing 1000 deaths à year
Scientists Built a Coronavirus From Scratch, Then Saw It Trying to Hide
If you want to truly understand what makes a machine tick, you need to tinker. Swap gears, lock a lever, loosen a spring, and watch how it goes.
When the machine is a deadly virus, you can’t afford to be so cavalier with its molecular clockwork. But researchers are getting around this problem by making minimalist versions of dangerous microbes that barely teeter on the edge of functionality.
more…
what a time to be alive
thankfully not much longer
Drying Off Some Fresh Tinder
Good News, You Might Be Able To Keep Protection Above 15% If You Get Shot Every 3 Months 50% If You Get Shot 12 Times A Year
SCIENCE said:
Good News, You Might Be Able To Keep Protection Above15% If You Get Shot Every 3 Months50% If You Get Shot 12 Times A Year
What is “Relative protection”?
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
Good News, You Might Be Able To Keep Protection Above
15% If You Get Shot Every 3 Months50% If You Get Shot 12 Times A Year
What is “Relative protection”?
compared to not-yet-3rd-dosed presumably
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
Good News, You Might Be Able To Keep Protection Above
15% If You Get Shot Every 3 Months50% If You Get Shot 12 Times A Year
What is “Relative protection”?
compared to not-yet-3rd-dosed presumably
So compared to the second dosed people, the boosted had 50% fewer infections. That does not mean you only have 50% protection.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
What is “Relative protection”?
compared to not-yet-3rd-dosed presumably
So compared to the second dosed people, the boosted had 50% fewer infections. That does not mean you only have 50% protection.
um last we checked you need to have 2 doses to officially qualify for approval for the possibility of a 3rd dose
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
compared to not-yet-3rd-dosed presumably
So compared to the second dosed people, the boosted had 50% fewer infections. That does not mean you only have 50% protection.
um last we checked you need to have 2 doses to officially qualify for approval for the possibility of a 3rd dose
I never said otherwise.
Users with three doses: Infections = x
Users with only two doses: Infections = x*2
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
So compared to the second dosed people, the boosted had 50% fewer infections. That does not mean you only have 50% protection.
um last we checked you need to have 2 doses to officially qualify for approval for the possibility of a 3rd dose
I never said otherwise.
Users with three doses: Infections = x
Users with only two doses: Infections = x*2
yes, thankfully it’s most Australians, so we can celebrate the good things
of course, we still recommend P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+
monkey skipper said:
Japanese encephalitis warning for Victoria
2 hrs ago
6 CommentsVictorians are being warned of possible cases of Japanese encephalitis in the state, after several animals were treated for the virus in the past month.
Victorians are on alert for cases of the potentially life threatening Japanese encephalitis virus
There are no confirmed cases of the Japanese strain of the virus in Victorian patients yet.
However, evidence of the strain has been found in pigs in Echuca, in New South Wales near the Victorian border, as well as in southern Queensland.
Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the disease can be very serious and even life threatening.
Video: NSW Health forced to throw away quarter of a billion worth of PPE (ABC NEWS)
NSW Health forced to throw away quarter of a billion worth of PPE
“Most people with Japanese encephalitis will have no or very mild symptoms, but anyone who develops a sudden onset of fever, headache and vomiting should see their doctor immediately,” he said in an update issued on Sunday.
“People with these symptoms can deteriorate over just a few short days, including suffering a loss of co-ordination, disorientation, generalised weakness and in some cases issues with movement which can last for years.”
The virus is spread through mosquito bites and people in regional areas who are in contact with pigs may be at particular risk.
Anyone working or camping in country Victoria is being warned to use mosquito repellent and cover up with loose-fitting clothing.
Older people and those aged under five who are infected are at higher risk of developing serious illness.
One, shouldn’t it be called FLAVID-1871¿
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/japanese-encephalitis
Two, who cares, it’s rare, the survival rate is over 99%, which means it’s mild, and there’s less than 50% long-FLAVID-1871.
Although symptomatic Japanese encephalitis (JE) is rare, the case-fatality rate among those with encephalitis can be as high as 30%. Most JEV infections are mild (fever and headache) or without apparent symptoms, but approximately 1 in 250 infections results in severe clinical illness. Permanent neurologic or psychiatric sequelae can occur in 30%–50% of those with encephalitis.
Three, it’s already endemic and everyone gets natural immunity anyway so just let it rip ¡
The annual incidence of clinical disease varies both across and within endemic countries, ranging from <1 to >10 per 100 000 population or higher during outbreaks. A literature review estimates nearly 68 000 clinical cases of JE globally each year, with approximately 13 600 to 20 400 deaths. JE primarily affects children. Most adults in endemic countries have natural immunity after childhood infection, but individuals of any age may be affected.
Four, this is all just a ploy by Big Pharma CHINA to rip us all off ¡¡¿¿¡¿¡¿¡¡¡¿
Over the past years, the live attenuated SA14-14-2 vaccine manufactured in China has become the most widely used vaccine in endemic countries, and it was prequalified by WHO in October 2013.
so who fkn cares, Chairman Dan can go and get on the beers
Do you think all this rain would slow down covid aside from people being at home of course?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/health/covid-vaccine-antibodies-t-cells.html
Got a Covid Booster? You Probably Won’t Need Another for a Long Time
A flurry of new studies suggests that several parts of the immune system can mount a sustained, potent response to any coronavirus variant.
JudgeMental said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/health/covid-vaccine-antibodies-t-cells.htmlGot a Covid Booster? You Probably Won’t Need Another for a Long Time
A flurry of new studies suggests that several parts of the immune system can mount a sustained, potent response to any coronavirus variant.
until there’s a recent prepub’ demonstrating robust activation of cells with exposure … and not correlating with immunity in real life
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00367-7
How ‘killer’ T cells could boost COVID immunity in face of new variants
In the race against emerging coronavirus variants, researchers are looking beyond antibodies for clues to lasting protection from COVID-19.
JudgeMental said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00367-7
How ‘killer’ T cells could boost COVID immunity in face of new variants
In the race against emerging coronavirus variants, researchers are looking beyond antibodies for clues to lasting protection from COVID-19.
hint: cytotoxic cells are … cytotoxic, and if your cells need a good killing it’s already late, they’re infected
the claims may or may not be true but they are part of a disinformation play
The ascent module on the Apollo 17 mission in 1972. Gene Cernan can be seen through the cockpit window. The other crew was Harrison Schmidt.
Spiny Norman said:
The ascent module on the Apollo 17 mission in 1972. Gene Cernan can be seen through the cockpit window. The other crew was Harrison Schmidt.
Sorry, wrong thread!!
International scientists on Saturday released two major studies which one participant said made it “extraordinarily clear” a market in Wuhan, China was the source of the coronavirus which fueled the Covid-19 pandemic – and not a Chinese government laboratory, a theory championed in the US by rightwing campaigners, columnists and politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/coronavirus-wuhan-market-chinese-lab-studies
transition said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Australia’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic has been labelled “gold standard” by Bill Gates, the co-founder of Microsoft.
He warned the annual Munich Security Conference last week a new outbreak in the future would likely require much stricter policies in its early days than how most of the world enacted against COVID-19.
“If every country does what Australia did, then you wouldn’t be calling (the next outbreak) a pandemic,” Mr Gates said.
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/gates-urges-aussie-response-to-pandemics/ar-AAUnCeI?ocid=msedgntp
bit of strange news page that one, not that I think strange is bad, I don’t start there, but I got there with that page
you have to wonder what the fuck he thought Australia did
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Australia’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic has been labelled “gold standard” by Bill Gates, the co-founder of Microsoft.
He warned the annual Munich Security Conference last week a new outbreak in the future would likely require much stricter policies in its early days than how most of the world enacted against COVID-19.
“If every country does what Australia did, then you wouldn’t be calling (the next outbreak) a pandemic,” Mr Gates said.
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/gates-urges-aussie-response-to-pandemics/ar-AAUnCeI?ocid=msedgntp
bit of strange news page that one, not that I think strange is bad, I don’t start there, but I got there with that page
you have to wonder what the fuck he thought Australia did
doubt it matters too much, but for anyone that doesn’t think much it’s an effective derrr patch, the recursive derrr, derrr associations
I like some derrr also, know it well
transition said:
SCIENCE said:transition said:
bit of strange news page that one, not that I think strange is bad, I don’t start there, but I got there with that page
you have to wonder what the fuck he thought Australia did
doubt it matters too much, but for anyone that doesn’t think much it’s an effective derrr patch, the recursive derrr, derrr associations
I like some derrr also, know it well
Be Like Denmark In 2022 ¡¡¡
Flu-like illnesses in Australia update. 2022 is paralleling 2021.
You won’t be surprised that there was a huge increase in incidence in the week after Xmas.
mollwollfumble said:
Flu-like illnesses in Australia update. 2022 is paralleling 2021.
You won’t be surprised that there was a huge increase in incidence in the week after Xmas.
Nice convenient way to hide the discontinuity though.
Laugh Out Loud
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
thankfully nothing like this ever happened because of some little bat virus mild head cold
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ukraine-hospital-medical-supplies-b2024910.html
Ukraine’s hospitals ‘desperate’ for medical supplies as oxygen runs out
dv said:
A boy has died from a box jellyfish sting in Eimeo.
She said Eimeo Beach was well known for box jellyfish. Dr Gerswhin said while dragging a beach to check for the presence of stingers was common practice it was not enough.
She said it was disappointing some people ignored beach closed signs and continued to enter the water. “They have put three red flags up along the beach and they’ve been warned to stay out of the water,” she said.
In tropical areas, it is highly recommended that people wear stinger suits when swimming at the beach. But Dr Gershwin said people often did not take that advice. “They see signs that say wear protective swimwear … but they look at other people and they’re not wearing it and so it doesn’t look like it’s that important,” she said. Dr Gershwin said there needed to be an urgent discussion about protective swimwear being required to swim at beaches where stinger nets were not used.
“Stinger nets work really, really effectively in keeping the jellyfish away from human skin,” she said. “We’ve never had a fatal or even near-fatal sting inside a net. “If people are going to go in the water in areas that don’t have nets then you just have to have protective clothing. It’s that simple.”
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So yes, we agree it’s tragic for those involved.
We also agree that it seems entirely disproportionate, we mean this shit kills like 10 Australians in the past 20 years, they should be closing all beaches forever, all schools, people should be wearing stinger suits when they go to sleep, why hasn’t the Economy Must Grow been permanently locked down since Fred Harwood back in 1892 ¿¡¡
so they were threatening to go thermobaric, apparently they’ve gone and done it now
“They used the vacuum bomb today, which is actually prohibited by the Geneva convention,” ambassador Oksana Markarova said after a meeting with politicians on Monday (local time).
doesn’t really give details on when where how et cetera so it’s kind of noninformation for now
ScoMo’s got the Covax???
Woodie said:
ScoMo’s got the Covax???
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
ScoMo’s got the Covax???
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
Mr Morrison said he would be continuing with his regular duties during his isolation period.
so they put the pressure on everywhere to lift restrictions so that arseholes like this can then catch COVID-19 and carry on with spreading it around the campaign trail excellent
educators are now invading their facilities at 0400 to take photographs of empty learning spaces and make claims
In a notice released on its official WeChat account on Monday, China Post said it was carrying out nucleic acid testing for overseas mail and parcels to prevent the possibility of coronavirus infections through contaminated objects to human beings. Tao Mu, from China Post in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia, told state broadcaster CCTV that mail would be delivered within 14 to 20 hours of a negative test result. The northern region reported dozens of Covid-19 cases in recent weeks. “After disinfection and leaving the parcel for 24 hours, we will open the parcel and carry out Covid-19 testing for the inside objects with the consent of the recipient,” Tao said.
The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said last year it was possible for people to be infected through contact with contaminated surfaces or objects, but the risk was generally considered low. Beijing’s tightened regulations on overseas mail started last month when local authorities suggested the city’s first case of the Omicron variant could have arrived via a package from Canada.
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
ScoMo’s got the Covax???
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
I just love the way this information was apparently released to the press about midnight.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
ScoMo’s got the Covax???
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
I just love the way this information was apparently released to the press about midnight.
Probably better than releasing it at 2am in the morning.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
I just love the way this information was apparently released to the press about midnight.
Probably better than releasing it at 2am in the morning.
So let me see…diagnosis late on Tuesday. A couple of days of incubation. Probably picked it up at church on Sunday morning. But I saw footage of him also at a Ukrainian church. He must have done a couple of church services last Sunday, because I doubt he would have missed his own.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:I just love the way this information was apparently released to the press about midnight.
Probably better than releasing it at 2am in the morning.
So let me see…diagnosis late on Tuesday. A couple of days of incubation. Probably picked it up at church on Sunday morning. But I saw footage of him also at a Ukrainian church. He must have done a couple of church services last Sunday, because I doubt he would have missed his own.
Takes notes.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:I just love the way this information was apparently released to the press about midnight.
Probably better than releasing it at 2am in the morning.
So let me see…diagnosis late on Tuesday. A couple of days of incubation. Probably picked it up at church on Sunday morning. But I saw footage of him also at a Ukrainian church. He must have done a couple of church services last Sunday, because I doubt he would have missed his own.
Churches would be a bad place to catch Covid.
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Probably better than releasing it at 2am in the morning.
So let me see…diagnosis late on Tuesday. A couple of days of incubation. Probably picked it up at church on Sunday morning. But I saw footage of him also at a Ukrainian church. He must have done a couple of church services last Sunday, because I doubt he would have missed his own.
Churches would be a bad place to catch Covid.
Apparently God (or whoever) cares for his/her flock.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:So let me see…diagnosis late on Tuesday. A couple of days of incubation. Probably picked it up at church on Sunday morning. But I saw footage of him also at a Ukrainian church. He must have done a couple of church services last Sunday, because I doubt he would have missed his own.
Churches would be a bad place to catch Covid.
Apparently God (or whoever) cares for his/her flock.
By having Covid get togethers so that the flock can gain immunity, via the hands of God.
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
buffy said:So let me see…diagnosis late on Tuesday. A couple of days of incubation. Probably picked it up at church on Sunday morning. But I saw footage of him also at a Ukrainian church. He must have done a couple of church services last Sunday, because I doubt he would have missed his own.
Churches would be a bad place to catch Covid.
Apparently God (or whoever) cares for his/her flock.
Well churches should checking to see if people test positive before entering to church to share air around.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Churches would be a bad place to catch Covid.
Apparently God (or whoever) cares for his/her flock.
By having Covid get togethers so that the flock can gain immunity, via the hands of God.
Bathed in the blood of Jesus!
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Apparently God (or whoever) cares for his/her flock.
By having Covid get togethers so that the flock can gain immunity, via the hands of God.
Bathed in the blood of Jesus!
don’t worry they’ll all be fine pretty sure Corruption figures will have made guarantees that their own families and rich friends are provided only the best healthcare that others can’t even access
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke. Morrison has covid.
www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke. Morrison has covid.www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
Was he wearing a mask?
It would be good to see places like churches and clubs with confined spaces to have on the spot testing.
Can this be done?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke. Morrison has covid.www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/prime-minister-scott-morrison-has-covid19/100873840
Was he wearing a mask?
does he ever wear his true face
How Good Is Corruption
Ben Morton, the Minister Assisting the Prime Minister and Cabinet, said he had tested positive the morning after the Prime Minister’s diagnosis.
Meanwhile In People’s Republic Of New Zhongguo Zealand
Wearing riot gear and using pepper spray, New Zealand police moved in on the hundreds of protesters who have been camped outside the nation’s Parliament for more than three weeks.
looks like they’ve bought out the AMA dude
Those factors have also saved WA’s health system from being unable to cope with a surge in cases, according to Australian Medical Association WA president Mark Duncan-Smith. “What it has done is allowed us to really nail down clinical guidelines, protocols, lines of communication, methods of transportation — effectively, to allow us to use the resources that we have got available more efficiently,” he said.
jesus fucking christ can we crank that propaganda machine any harder
Morrison has COVID.
But there are some additional complications when the leader of the nation catches the disease.
With a war in Ukraine, deadly floods in Queensland and NSW and an ongoing pandemic, it isn’t easy for the PM to just step back and take a break.
With meetings and trips making up part of the job of prime minister, there have also been plenty of people possibly exposed to COVID by Mr Morrison.
stop holding his hose andor trying to pull the other one
SCIENCE said:
This information war we have been having for years and years …why are the pollies and Rupert so invested in it?
question, is 4 z scores above the expectation value, significant
Danish SSI by the way
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
This information war we have been having for years and years …why are the pollies and Rupert so invested in it?
Prbably not the right place to post my question but it is how I am filtering everything today.
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
This information war we have been having for years and years …why are the pollies and Rupert so invested in it?
they bought in, didn’t they, Cambridge Analytica et cetera
also there’s money to be made from it presumably
but we’re glad if the violent bullshit factory on social media really has been turned off
Here, just what the doctor ordered¡
SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals could have different variants hidden in different parts of the body
People suffering from COVID-19 could have several different SARS-CoV-2 variants hidden away from the immune system in different parts of the body, finds new research published in Nature Communications by an international research team. The study’s authors say that this may make complete clearance of the virus from the body of an infected person, by their own antibodies, or by therapeutic antibody treatments, much more difficult.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-03-sars-cov-infected-individuals-variants-hidden-body.html
(and similar https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-02-deep-reservoirs-sleeper-viruses-roadblocks.html)
case rested
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case rested
Err, say fucking what?
Hong Kong’s Nursing Homes Are Unvaccinated Hotbeds Of Covid
Just 15% of elderly home residents are vaccinated in Hong Kong
Dramatic improvement in vaccine uptake could avert many deaths
By Bruce Einhorn
Just 15% of elderly residents in Hong Kong’s care homes are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, about one-sixth the coverage in the U.S., despite evidence from early in the pandemic that such facilities are hotbeds for disease and death.
The vaccination rate for other Hong Kong seniors is higher, at 45%, which still significantly lags many advanced economies. Singapore has immunized about 95% of its seniors, while roughly 90% of South Korea’s elderly have received booster shots.
The lack of protection is already casting a pall over the city, where nearly 1,000 people have died since a wave of infection driven by the highly-infectious delta and omicron variants formed at the end of 2021. Most of the deaths occurred in the unprotected elderly, with a death rate of almost 6% in those aged 80 or older who weren’t fully immunized. The only other group with a case fatality rate above 1% is unvaccinated elderly aged 70 to 79, according to the government.
The low vaccination rate for elderly residents of Hong Kong’s care homes means they’re even more vulnerable as the number of omicron cases soars, a forecast from researchers at the University of Hong Kong found. Already more than 600 of the facilities have reported Covid cases, according to government officials.
The researchers including Gabriel Leung, the dean of medicine and a public health professor, estimated that Hong Kong could have about 4,645 fatalities during the current outbreak. The elderly are expected to bear the brunt of the deaths.
Hong Kong has struggled with vaccine hesitancy among seniors since it launched an immunization program last year. Few elderly people got shots in 2021 amid fears that they may be more vulnerable to side effects. The government’s successful Covid Zero strategy also removed any urgency, as there was no penalty for complacency thanks to low infection rates before omicron slammed the city.
It’s not to late to save some of those seniors, the researchers said.
A healthcare worker with a patient at a hospital on March 2.Photographer: Lam Yik/Bloomberg
Their forecast of fatalities by the end of April, which ranged from a low of about 3,140 to a high of more than 5,560, was based on an assumption that there would be no rapid, dramatic improvement in vaccination of the institutionalized elderly.
The report didn’t say how may deaths could be averted by an emergency effort to close the vaccination gap between seniors in care homes and others.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-03/hong-kong-s-nursing-homes-are-unvaccinated-hotbeds-of-covid?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hong Kong’s Nursing Homes Are Unvaccinated Hotbeds Of Covid
Just 15% of elderly home residents are vaccinated in Hong Kong
Dramatic improvement in vaccine uptake could avert many deathsBy Bruce Einhorn
Just 15% of elderly residents in Hong Kong’s care homes are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, about one-sixth the coverage in the U.S., despite evidence from early in the pandemic that such facilities are hotbeds for disease and death.
The vaccination rate for other Hong Kong seniors is higher, at 45%, which still significantly lags many advanced economies. Singapore has immunized about 95% of its seniors, while roughly 90% of South Korea’s elderly have received booster shots.
The lack of protection is already casting a pall over the city, where nearly 1,000 people have died since a wave of infection driven by the highly-infectious delta and omicron variants formed at the end of 2021. Most of the deaths occurred in the unprotected elderly, with a death rate of almost 6% in those aged 80 or older who weren’t fully immunized. The only other group with a case fatality rate above 1% is unvaccinated elderly aged 70 to 79, according to the government.
The low vaccination rate for elderly residents of Hong Kong’s care homes means they’re even more vulnerable as the number of omicron cases soars, a forecast from researchers at the University of Hong Kong found. Already more than 600 of the facilities have reported Covid cases, according to government officials.
The researchers including Gabriel Leung, the dean of medicine and a public health professor, estimated that Hong Kong could have about 4,645 fatalities during the current outbreak. The elderly are expected to bear the brunt of the deaths.
Hong Kong has struggled with vaccine hesitancy among seniors since it launched an immunization program last year. Few elderly people got shots in 2021 amid fears that they may be more vulnerable to side effects. The government’s successful Covid Zero strategy also removed any urgency, as there was no penalty for complacency thanks to low infection rates before omicron slammed the city.
It’s not to late to save some of those seniors, the researchers said.
A healthcare worker with a patient at a hospital on March 2.Photographer: Lam Yik/Bloomberg
Their forecast of fatalities by the end of April, which ranged from a low of about 3,140 to a high of more than 5,560, was based on an assumption that there would be no rapid, dramatic improvement in vaccination of the institutionalized elderly.The report didn’t say how may deaths could be averted by an emergency effort to close the vaccination gap between seniors in care homes and others.
good to see that at least they still take some cues from the British colonial days
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hong Kong’s Nursing Homes Are Unvaccinated Hotbeds Of Covid
Just 15% of elderly home residents are vaccinated in Hong Kong
Dramatic improvement in vaccine uptake could avert many deathsBy Bruce Einhorn
Just 15% of elderly residents in Hong Kong’s care homes are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, about one-sixth the coverage in the U.S., despite evidence from early in the pandemic that such facilities are hotbeds for disease and death.
The vaccination rate for other Hong Kong seniors is higher, at 45%, which still significantly lags many advanced economies. Singapore has immunized about 95% of its seniors, while roughly 90% of South Korea’s elderly have received booster shots.
The lack of protection is already casting a pall over the city, where nearly 1,000 people have died since a wave of infection driven by the highly-infectious delta and omicron variants formed at the end of 2021. Most of the deaths occurred in the unprotected elderly, with a death rate of almost 6% in those aged 80 or older who weren’t fully immunized. The only other group with a case fatality rate above 1% is unvaccinated elderly aged 70 to 79, according to the government.
The low vaccination rate for elderly residents of Hong Kong’s care homes means they’re even more vulnerable as the number of omicron cases soars, a forecast from researchers at the University of Hong Kong found. Already more than 600 of the facilities have reported Covid cases, according to government officials.
The researchers including Gabriel Leung, the dean of medicine and a public health professor, estimated that Hong Kong could have about 4,645 fatalities during the current outbreak. The elderly are expected to bear the brunt of the deaths.
Hong Kong has struggled with vaccine hesitancy among seniors since it launched an immunization program last year. Few elderly people got shots in 2021 amid fears that they may be more vulnerable to side effects. The government’s successful Covid Zero strategy also removed any urgency, as there was no penalty for complacency thanks to low infection rates before omicron slammed the city.
It’s not to late to save some of those seniors, the researchers said.
A healthcare worker with a patient at a hospital on March 2.Photographer: Lam Yik/Bloomberg
Their forecast of fatalities by the end of April, which ranged from a low of about 3,140 to a high of more than 5,560, was based on an assumption that there would be no rapid, dramatic improvement in vaccination of the institutionalized elderly.The report didn’t say how may deaths could be averted by an emergency effort to close the vaccination gap between seniors in care homes and others.
good to see that at least they still take some cues from the British colonial days
The Chinese vaccines are fucking hopeless anyway.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
good to see that at least they still take some cues from the British colonial days
The Chinese vaccines are fucking hopeless anyway.
we mean following the theme, then AstraZeneca Oxford would certainly be a fair comparison but yes
the numbers we saw did seem rather ineffective
Mr McGowan said he could not think of much he would have done differently.
“We put in place measures that protected the state,” Mr McGowan said.
“We have had two people acquire the virus and pass away here, we’ve had the strongest economic outcomes of any state in Australia and probably any state in the world.
“And we’ve had the best health outcomes of anywhere in the world.
“Admittedly, at times, it has been difficult for people. And some people have missed out on family reunions and the like.
“But our border has worked, all of the other measures we put in place have worked.”
I’m going out tomorrow and I am nervous.
sarahs mum said:
I’m going out tomorrow and I am nervous.
Fair, we’ve been nervous for 2 years,
but that said, armed faced with our trusty P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ and talking to healthcare workers who have used them to avoid infection with dementiavirus, we’ve been reassured.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
I’m going out tomorrow and I am nervous.
Fair, we’ve been nervous for 2 years,
but that said,
armedfaced with our trusty P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ and talking to healthcare workers who have used them to avoid infection with dementiavirus, we’ve been reassured.
Tassie seems to be picking up on numbers.
SCIENCE said:
Mr McGowan said he could not think of much he would have done differently.“We put in place measures that protected the state,” Mr McGowan said.
“We have had two people acquire the virus and pass away here, we’ve had the strongest economic outcomes of any state in Australia and probably any state in the world.
“And we’ve had the best health outcomes of anywhere in the world.
“Admittedly, at times, it has been difficult for people. And some people have missed out on family reunions and the like.
“But our border has worked, all of the other measures we put in place have worked.”
more experts communist shills
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
I’m going out tomorrow and I am nervous.
Fair, we’ve been nervous for 2 years,
but that said,
armedfaced with our trusty P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ and talking to healthcare workers who have used them to avoid infection with dementiavirus, we’ve been reassured.
Tassie seems to be picking up on numbers.
this fella seems to agree
be careful everyone
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
I’m going out tomorrow and I am nervous.
Fair, we’ve been nervous for 2 years,
but that said,
armedfaced with our trusty P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ and talking to healthcare workers who have used them to avoid infection with dementiavirus, we’ve been reassured.
chuckle dementiavirus
lady and I been out also, couple, three, four days ago, stayed with family, waiting for symptoms to emerge, but haven’t been able to imagine any new symptoms yet, no just the usual things
lady’s been to doctors, chemist, lots of places
anyway I am not dead yet
Kaine introduces bill to research and combat long covid, after suffering it himself
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/02/kaine-long-covid-bill/
The Virginia Democrat is one of the thousands or even millions of Americans who could have long covid, the little-understood phenomenon in which symptoms linger for weeks or months after a coronavirus infection. There is no agreed-upon understanding of its root causes, or even its official name, making treatment of the long-term symptoms difficult — including for Kaine.
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:SCIENCE said:
Fair, we’ve been nervous for 2 years,
but that said,
armedfaced with our trusty P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ and talking to healthcare workers who have used them to avoid infection with dementiavirus, we’ve been reassured.
Tassie seems to be picking up on numbers.
this fella seems to agree
be careful everyone
i’m just starting to hear of distant family getting it, my side and lady’s side, one in tasmania, and one on the peninsula here
the endothelial plaque
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Kaine introduces bill to research and combat long covid, after suffering it himselfhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/02/kaine-long-covid-bill/
The Virginia Democrat is one of the thousands or even millions of Americans who could have long covid, the little-understood phenomenon in which symptoms linger for weeks or months after a coronavirus infection. There is no agreed-upon understanding of its root causes, or even its official name, making treatment of the long-term symptoms difficult — including for Kaine.
the mystery of feeling healthy, the mystery of pleasant mental states, the mystery of sustained effort without serious discomfort, the mystery of rejuvenation following rest, and sleep
i’m going to be bold, and say something generates those things
I could wait for a consensus of scientific fact, but for the moment i’m going with an unknown, a something does that, contributes to those things
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Kaine introduces bill to research and combat long covid, after suffering it himself
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/02/kaine-long-covid-bill/
The Virginia Democrat is one of the thousands or even millions of Americans who could have long covid, the little-understood phenomenon in which symptoms linger for weeks or months after a coronavirus infection. There is no agreed-upon understanding of its root causes, or even its official name, making treatment of the long-term symptoms difficult — including for Kaine.
the mystery of feeling healthy, the mystery of pleasant mental states, the mystery of sustained effort without serious discomfort, the mystery of rejuvenation following rest, and sleep
i’m going to be bold, and say something generates those things
I could wait for a consensus of scientific fact, but for the moment i’m going with an unknown, a something does that, contributes to those things
Despite the pleasantries everyone likes, we are not in agreement with the voices that insist {we should be sad and respectful when a psychopathic prime minister gets diseased, and that we should wish he recovers quickly}. In the same way that the psychopaths intend the old, weak, disabled, and “ethnic” among us to suffer so that the privileged may carry on with “normal” and The Economy Must Grow, we expect the Corruption to suffer as much as possible, so that they may make better decisions for the people they supposedly govern.
That’s right, we aren’t any better than the psychopaths. Our priorities are just different.
Remember how Australia have it all about 6 months after the rest of the world¿
Apparently mass-disabling children wasn’t such a great idea.
Guess we’ll wake up again when school reopens in July.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Kaine introduces bill to research and combat long covid, after suffering it himself
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/02/kaine-long-covid-bill/
The Virginia Democrat is one of the thousands or even millions of Americans who could have long covid, the little-understood phenomenon in which symptoms linger for weeks or months after a coronavirus infection. There is no agreed-upon understanding of its root causes, or even its official name, making treatment of the long-term symptoms difficult — including for Kaine.
the mystery of feeling healthy, the mystery of pleasant mental states, the mystery of sustained effort without serious discomfort, the mystery of rejuvenation following rest, and sleep
i’m going to be bold, and say something generates those things
I could wait for a consensus of scientific fact, but for the moment i’m going with an unknown, a something does that, contributes to those things
Despite the pleasantries everyone likes, we are not in agreement with the voices that insist {we should be sad and respectful when a psychopathic prime minister gets diseased, and that we should wish he recovers quickly}. In the same way that the psychopaths intend the old, weak, disabled, and “ethnic” among us to suffer so that the privileged may carry on with “normal” and The Economy Must Grow, we expect the Corruption to suffer as much as possible, so that they may make better decisions for the people they supposedly govern.
That’s right, we aren’t any better than the psychopaths. Our priorities are just different.
the force of culture fairly much (in substantial ways) subordinates the internal environment (individual biology) to group views, to ideas essentially, much of the ideas are patches, they patch (for) the unknowns
of course of that above you might recognize the force of culture might be invested in unknowns, maintain unknowns, to the extent individuals might be disinclined even to conjecture, or make independent assumptions, such might be the poverty of working imagination
one of the unknowns, which is potentially inconvenient, could be the variations of internal environments, which can be caused by a number of things, the diversity, could be polymorphisms or whatever.
interestingly, this clip of a pandemic supposedlypreparedness plan
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1499113371668385793
mentions masks a factor of infinitely more than 0 times
and mentions P2~FFP2~N95~KN95~KF94~+ a nonnegative number of times
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The disease has spread rapidly through South-East Asia
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