I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.
If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I’d prefer you don’t go.
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I for one shall miss you greatly and would like you to reconsider this course of action.
It is quite easy to just not open posts from certain people.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I’d prefer you don’t go.
Yeah, same. It’s cliche, I know, but just don’t read his posts…
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I take it that you are one of those Christian extremists who think that America is just doing God’s work?
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I’d prefer you don’t go.
Don’t go. Just don’t click on his posts. Most of what he says is warped well of centre, anyway. I mostly ignore, or ask for references if what he says annoys me too much.
No one is taking his views seriously. It’s unfortunate that there’s a Trump/Farage figure on forum but your contributions are valued and it’s better if you just skip his posts. We love you, man. Keep hanging out.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I’d prefer you don’t go.
I will be so sad if you go. You bring joy to my life.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I take it that you are one of those Christian extremists who think that America is just doing God’s work?
I don’t think that ‘America is just doing God’s work’.
At the same time, i’m pretty damn sure that it isn’t God’s work that Putin/Russia are doing.
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
If I may suggest, just don’t click on posts from people that upset you. Not everyone you come in contact with is going to be agreeable, in this format it’s fairly easy to avoid them most of the time.
And.
Please stay.
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I for one shall miss you greatly and would like you to reconsider this course of action.
It is quite easy to just not open posts from certain people.
Tamb said:
Dark Orange said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I for one shall miss you greatly and would like you to reconsider this course of action.
It is quite easy to just not open posts from certain people.
Yes indeed. When two forumers start bickering I don’t open their posts for a while & eventually they run out of insults & normal service is resumed.
But what if you are one of the ones bickering?!
furious said:
Tamb said:
Dark Orange said:I for one shall miss you greatly and would like you to reconsider this course of action.
It is quite easy to just not open posts from certain people.
Yes indeed. When two forumers start bickering I don’t open their posts for a while & eventually they run out of insults & normal service is resumed.But what if you are one of the ones bickering?!
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I take it that you are one of those Christian extremists who think that America is just doing God’s work?
Moll, I know that is simply untrue and I posit that what you just said is likely to be quite hurtful and very unhelpful.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I’d prefer you don’t go.
Same here.
Just don’t read his posts.
what if we’re already bickering with ourselves
Michael V said:
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I take it that you are one of those Christian extremists who think that America is just doing God’s work?
Moll, I know that is simply untrue and I posit that what you just said is likely to be quite hurtful and very unhelpful.
maybe he thinks that being devil’s advocate is doing the antigod’s work
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I’d prefer you don’t go.
I will be so sad if you go. You bring joy to my life.
Ta :)
I’ll doubtless peep in later.
Ross sister has been in touch with our Ukrainian cousin Olga. She’s in the west of the country so not in the frontlines, but the whole country could become a frontline quite quickly now.
They’re all very worried over there.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I’d prefer you don’t go.
I will be so sad if you go. You bring joy to my life.
Ta :)
I’ll doubtless peep in later.
Ross sister has been in touch with our Ukrainian cousin Olga. She’s in the west of the country so not in the frontlines, but the whole country could become a frontline quite quickly now.
They’re all very worried over there.
I’ll bet they are. And I agree with your assessment.
I’m bloody worried here. I wouldn’t put it past Poo-tin to bring out the nukes against any country who helps Ukraine.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:I will be so sad if you go. You bring joy to my life.
Ta :)
I’ll doubtless peep in later.
Ross sister has been in touch with our Ukrainian cousin Olga. She’s in the west of the country so not in the frontlines, but the whole country could become a frontline quite quickly now.
They’re all very worried over there.
I’ll bet they are. And I agree with your assessment.
I’m bloody worried here. I wouldn’t put it past Poo-tin to bring out the nukes against any country who helps Ukraine.
I doubt he’d dare go that far. The penalty would be far too great.
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
Please stay, your contributions are valuable.
You dont have to read or reply to his posts.
I have no idea why Moll is posting nonsensical material regarding politics.
Moll should rethink posting about politics.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Ta :)
I’ll doubtless peep in later.
Ross sister has been in touch with our Ukrainian cousin Olga. She’s in the west of the country so not in the frontlines, but the whole country could become a frontline quite quickly now.
They’re all very worried over there.
I’ll bet they are. And I agree with your assessment.
I’m bloody worried here. I wouldn’t put it past Poo-tin to bring out the nukes against any country who helps Ukraine.
I doubt he’d dare go that far. The penalty would be far too great.
car temporarily self-deplatforms
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I take it that you are one of those Christian extremists who think that America is just doing God’s work?
That looks like trolling to me. Moll, you know Bubblecar is not religious.
mollwollfumble said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
I take it that you are one of those Christian extremists who think that America is just doing God’s work?
The Ukraine is not the USA Molly. Nor should the people of Ukraine suffer because they happen to live where they live. Most people want a world without this type of conflict it is unnecessary , the human rights history for Russia invading other nations openly or covertly has left many scars in that part of Europe and I am confident the Baltic nations will back Ukraine because they know how stifling Russian regimes are under leaders , such as Putin.
Countries have personalities, according to me.
Here are some:
China
Personality: wise, sneaky, expansionist, with a tendency to megalomania
Germany under Merkel
Personality: stable
Russia
Personality: not stupid, with a tendency to paranoia
USA
Personality: worships money, psychopath, empire building, with a tendency to schizoid
The USA owns the UN and, since Merkel left, owns NATO.
What’s the difference between a US president and a mushroom? Nothing, they’re both kept in the dark and fed bullshit.
The real power in US foreign policy is the Pentagon.
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
One has to laugh.
I popped in to see what was being posted about the Ukraine situation, and here’s Bubblecar being the same as usual.
Dramatic exit, returns within hours.
The “boys” are posting: “Don’t click on mollwolfumble posts!!” – ROFL!!
kii said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
One has to laugh.
I popped in to see what was being posted about the Ukraine situation, and here’s Bubblecar being the same as usual.
Dramatic exit, returns within hours.
The “boys” are posting: “Don’t click on mollwolfumble posts!!” – ROFL!!
sure but was mollwollfumble still present when Bubblecar returned, or was it correct and true and valid
kii said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
One has to laugh.
I popped in to see what was being posted about the Ukraine situation, and here’s Bubblecar being the same as usual.
Dramatic exit, returns within hours.
The “boys” are posting: “Don’t click on mollwolfumble posts!!” – ROFL!!
That is very naughty of you kii.
kii said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
One has to laugh.
I popped in to see what was being posted about the Ukraine situation, and here’s Bubblecar being the same as usual.
Dramatic exit, returns within hours.
The “boys” are posting: “Don’t click on mollwolfumble posts!!” – ROFL!!
:-)
PermeateFree said:
kii said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m finding this Ukraine invasion upsetting and I’m not going to sit here smiling while molllwolfumble posts crazy pro-Putin nonsense.If he undertakes to leave the forum, I’ll resume posting here.
One has to laugh.
I popped in to see what was being posted about the Ukraine situation, and here’s Bubblecar being the same as usual.
Dramatic exit, returns within hours.
The “boys” are posting: “Don’t click on mollwolfumble posts!!” – ROFL!!
That is very naughty of you kii.
I didn’t laff.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
kii said:One has to laugh.
I popped in to see what was being posted about the Ukraine situation, and here’s Bubblecar being the same as usual.
Dramatic exit, returns within hours.
The “boys” are posting: “Don’t click on mollwolfumble posts!!” – ROFL!!
That is very naughty of you kii.
I didn’t laff.
I did because it was an accurate observation.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.
Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
mollwollfumble said:
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
“You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.”
You may not know that only a portion of Ukraine was a forced part of Russia. Ukraine is not an enemy of Nato nor their neighbours. You seem to have your own agenda and you are not aware of how that region does not encourage or invite Russian to be part of their nations as they don’t want a Russian regime under this current position … the Russians don’t either.
mollwollfumble said:
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
Is this all based on the latest BTN?
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
Is this all based on the latest BTN?
Behind Moll’s News. BMN.
mollwollfumble said:
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
What a pile of shit. Ukraine also agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia guaranteeing to respect their sovereignty and territorial integrity. Look at how well Russia respected that.
The fact is that being aligned with Russia and part of the Russian system brings poverty. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. They can see themselves slipping further and further behind the rest of eastern Europe. Those countries that sided with the west, joined NATO and/or the EU single market are doing much much better. It is perfectly natural that Ukraine wants to forget Russia and align with the west. This is not aggression or hostile expansionism by the west, this is just the natural result of having a better system than what Russia offers.
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
What a pile of shit. Ukraine also agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia guaranteeing to respect their sovereignty and territorial integrity. Look at how well Russia respected that.
The fact is that being aligned with Russia and part of the Russian system brings poverty. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. They can see themselves slipping further and further behind the rest of eastern Europe. Those countries that sided with the west, joined NATO and/or the EU single market are doing much much better. It is perfectly natural that Ukraine wants to forget Russia and align with the west. This is not aggression or hostile expansionism by the west, this is just the natural result of having a better system than what Russia offers.
Fair call.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
Pakistan has nuclear weapons to protect itself from India
India has nuclear weapons to protect itself from China
China has nuclear weapons to protect itself from Russia
Russia has nuclear weapons to protect itself from America
America has nuclear weapons because it’s mad.Look, you agree with me that now that Merkel is gone, the pentagon owns NATO, right.
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place. And I think there can be only one answer to this. The Pentagon used realpolitik in secret on the power-brokers in the Ukraine. Starting in 2014. Threats, including blackmail, as well as bribes.
What a pile of shit. Ukraine also agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia guaranteeing to respect their sovereignty and territorial integrity. Look at how well Russia respected that.
The fact is that being aligned with Russia and part of the Russian system brings poverty. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. They can see themselves slipping further and further behind the rest of eastern Europe. Those countries that sided with the west, joined NATO and/or the EU single market are doing much much better. It is perfectly natural that Ukraine wants to forget Russia and align with the west. This is not aggression or hostile expansionism by the west, this is just the natural result of having a better system than what Russia offers.
Fair call.
I don’t think he gets that none of the neighbouring nations will trust putin has any desire toward any human rights charter at all.
mollwollfumble said:
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
There was no independent nation called Ukraine in 1990. Agreements forced on a Soviet Republic are going to apply to a newly independent nation of Ukraine.
Obviously.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place.
There aren’t any NATO troops in Ukraine.
monkey skipper said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:What a pile of shit. Ukraine also agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia guaranteeing to respect their sovereignty and territorial integrity. Look at how well Russia respected that.
The fact is that being aligned with Russia and part of the Russian system brings poverty. Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe. They can see themselves slipping further and further behind the rest of eastern Europe. Those countries that sided with the west, joined NATO and/or the EU single market are doing much much better. It is perfectly natural that Ukraine wants to forget Russia and align with the west. This is not aggression or hostile expansionism by the west, this is just the natural result of having a better system than what Russia offers.
Fair call.
I don’t think he gets that none of the neighbouring nations will trust putin has any desire toward any human rights charter at all.
The other thing that struck me the other day was that (apparently) one of the motivations Putin had to take the Ukraine is to give him a bit more territory between Russia and NATO nations. But if he takes the Ukraine, there will literally be NATO countries on the border of Russian territory. No buffer country in that part of Russia.
mollwollfumble said:
You may not know that the Ukraine broke an arms agreement with Russia. The agreement, signed in 1990, was that Russia agreed to protect the Ukraine from NATO.
There was no independent nation called Ukraine in 1990. Agreements forced on a Soviet Republic are NOT going to apply to a newly independent nation of Ukraine.
Obviously.
The only unknown in this picture is why the Ukraine was stupid enough to invite NATO troops in in the first place.
There aren’t any NATO troops in Ukraine.
Left out a crucial word
Relations between the NATO military alliance and the Russian Federation were established in 1991 within the framework of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council. In 1994, Russia joined the Partnership for Peace program, and since that time, NATO and Russia have signed several important agreements on cooperation.
The Russia–NATO Council was established in 2002 for handling security issues and joint projects. Cooperation between Russia and NATO now develops in several main sectors, including: fighting terrorism, military cooperation, cooperation on Afghanistan (including transportation by Russia of non-military International Security Assistance Force freight (see NATO logistics in the Afghan War), and fighting the local drug production), industrial cooperation, and weapons non-proliferation.
On 1 April 2014, NATO unanimously decided to suspend all practical co-operation with the Russian Federation, in response to the Annexation of Crimea, but the NATO-Russia Council (NRC) was not suspended. On 18 February 2017, the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov said he supported the resumption of military cooperation with the NATO alliance. In late March 2017, the Council met in advance of a NATO Foreign Ministers conference in Brussels, Belgium.
In October 2021, following an incident in which NATO expelled eight Russian officials from its Brussels headquarters, Russia suspended its mission to NATO and ordered the closure of NATO’s office in Moscow.
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Relations between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1992. Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008. Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.
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In retrospect, NATO should have been disbanded when there was no longer any use for it, shortly after 1990.
Hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Too late to cry over spilled milk now.
mollwollfumble said:
In retrospect, NATO should have been disbanded when there was no longer any use for it, shortly after 1990.Hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Too late to cry over spilled milk now.
Not too late for you to kindly fuck off, moll. As I’ve politely requested, more than once.
mollwollfumble said:
In retrospect, NATO should have been disbanded when there was no longer any use for it, shortly after 1990.Hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Too late to cry over spilled milk now.
Nobody was ever forced to join NATO so the argument is invalid.
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:
In retrospect, NATO should have been disbanded when there was no longer any use for it, shortly after 1990.Hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Too late to cry over spilled milk now.
Nobody was ever forced to join NATO so the argument is invalid.
It seems Moll is an enemy of peace, truth, democracy, human rights, rule of law, all the nice things.
He instinctively sides with evil in all these situations.
mollwollfumble said:
In retrospect, NATO should have been disbanded when there was no longer any use for it, shortly after 1990.Hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Too late to cry over spilled milk now.
I think the 30 NATO Members would disagree.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html
Tau.Neutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
In retrospect, NATO should have been disbanded when there was no longer any use for it, shortly after 1990.Hindsight is more accurate than foresight.
Too late to cry over spilled milk now.
I think the 30 NATO Members would disagree.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html
Damn sure that Poland and Hungary would disagree.
NATO remains the principal security instrument of the transatlantic community and expression of its common democratic values. It is the practical means through which the security of North America and Europe are permanently tied together.
NATO’s purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military means. POLITICAL – NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization Fact Sheet
10 things you need to know about NATO
1. An International Security Hub. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is one of the world’s major international
institutions. It is a political and military Alliance of 28 member countries from Europe and North America. The Alliance
takes all its decisions by consensus. Every member country, no matter how large or small, has an equal say in discussions and
decisions. Member states are committed to individual liberty, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. These values are at
the heart of NATO’s transatlantic bond.
2. Collective Defence. The greatest responsibility of the Alliance is to protect and defend NATO’s territory and populations.
Article 5 of NATO’s founding charter, the Washington Treaty, sets out the Alliance’s collective defence commitment. It
states that an attack on one shall be considered an attack on all. Article 5 has been invoked only once in NATO’s history,
on 12 September 2001, the day after the terrorist attacks on the United States.
3. NATO’s Command Structure. NATO has a permanent, integrated military command structure where military and civilian
personnel from all member states work together. The Alliance has two top-level Strategic Commands (Allied Command
Operations, in Mons, Belgium, and Allied Command Transformation, in Norfolk, United States). Under these Strategic
Commands are two Joint Force Commands (in Brunssum, Netherlands and in Naples, Italy) that can deploy and run military
operations. The Command Structure also includes one air command (Ramstein, Germany), one land command (Izmir, Turkey)
and one maritime command (Northwood, United Kingdom).
4. Standing forces. NATO has a number of standing forces on active duty that contribute to the Alliance’s collective defence
on a permanent basis. These include NATO’s four standing maritime group fleets, which are ready to act when called upon.
Additionally NATO has an integrated air defence system that links national air defence capabilities together and includes the
Alliance’s ballistic missile defence capabilities. The Alliance also conducts several air policing missions in which Allied fighter
jets patrol the airspace of member nations who do not have fighter jets of their own. They defend NATO airspace over Albania,
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Slovenia on a 24/7 basis, 365 days per year.
5. Troops and Equipment. NATO benefits from being able to draw on the military expertise and capabilities of its members.
This includes tanks, submarines or fighter jets. When the Alliance collectively decides to conduct an operation it asks Allies for
troops and equipment to be placed under NATO command. While personnel serving in a NATO operation are often referred
to collectively as “NATO forces,” they are strictly speaking multinational forces from NATO member countries, and in some
cases, partner countries or other troop-contributing countries. The only military equipment that NATO owns itself is a fleet of
AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control) aircraft. From 2018, NATO will also operate five Global Hawk surveillance drones.
The procedure for requesting forces and equipment for an operation is often referred to as “force generation.”
6. NATO funding. Member countries make direct and indirect contributions to the costs of running NATO and implementing
its policies and activities. The greatest part of these contributions is indirect and comes through the Allies’ participation in
NATO-led operations. Member countries incur the costs involved whenever they volunteer forces to participate in a NATO
operation. For example the cost for providing a fighter jet lies with the nation that makes it available. Direct contributions to
NATO’s common budgets are made by members in accordance with an agreed cost-sharing formula based on relative Gross
National Income. These contributions finance the costs of NATO’s integrated structures, collectively-owned equipment or
installations.
7. Deterrence. In the five decades after World War II, the Alliance successfully prevented the Cold War from becoming “hot”.
Under the security umbrella provided by NATO, the people of Europe, Canada, and the United States enjoyed the benefits of
democratic choice, the rule of law and substantial economic growth. The Alliance’s deterrence is based on an appropriate mix of
nuclear and conventional capabilities, which remain a core element of NATO’s strategy. This is matched by Allies’ commitment
to arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation.
December 2015
8. Crisis Management. The Alliance has frequently acted to uphold international peace and security. In 1995, NATO helped to
end the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina and implemented the peace agreement. In 1999, NATO helped to stop mass killings and
expulsions in Kosovo, and NATO troops continue to serve in Kosovo to this day under a United Nations mandate. Since 2003,
NATO’s UN-mandated presence has helped to ensure Afghanistan will never again become a safe haven for terrorists. In 2011,
NATO enforced a UN mandate to protect the people of Libya. NATO ships are fighting piracy off the coast of Somalia and
are conducting counter-terrorism patrols in the Mediterranean. On several occasions, NATO forces have also delivered relief
supplies, including to the United States after Hurricane Katrina and to Pakistan after the October 2005 earthquake.
9. Cooperative Security. Threats like terrorism, piracy, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and cyber warfare know
no borders. That is why NATO has developed a global network of security partners that includes over 40 countries from around
the globe, as well as international organisations including the United Nations, the European Union, the Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the African Union. The Alliance’s Resolute Support mission in Afghanistan
includes 14 partner countries. NATO’s operation in Kosovo includes 10 partners. Beside partners taking part in NATO
missions and operations, the Alliance has developed a wide network of partnerships since the early 1990s, including the Euro-
Atlantic Partnerships Council, the Mediterranean Dialogue, the Istanbul Cooperation Initiative, and many partners across the
globe, including Australia, Japan and South Korea.
10. The “Open Door”. Any European state which can contribute to the security and principles of the Alliance can be invited to
join. It is up to the country concerned to decide if it wishes to seek membership. On six occasions, between 1952 and 2009, a
total of 16 European countries chose to seek membership and were admitted. This process has contributed to peace and security
in Europe. At the moment, four countries aspire to membership: Bosnia-Herzegovina, Georgia, Montenegro and the Former
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia*
. Allies assess each applicant country according to its own merits. A wide range of political,
economic and security reforms need to be implemented before any country can join.
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2015_12/20151130_1512-10things-eng.pdf
Did you notice yesterday that Ukraine said they would forgive Russia for the attack but never forgive Belarus for allowing Russian troops to pass through unmolested.
Seems weird, right, very weird?
But now we have a motive. Ukraine wants to annex Belarus.
One possibility, the carrot of the carrot and stick approach, is that the Ukraine has been promised by America that after the war it will be given Belarus, if it starts off by playing the role of the raped lady.
America has been known to have made major promises under similar circumstances before, and has never kept those promises.
Batman-: Could it be…………….
Robin-: What Batman.
Batman-: Could it be that the Joker wants to annex Belarus.
Robin-: Holy Chicken Kiev Batman can there be anything more evil
Batman-: Well yes but we can talk about that later.
Batman-: Quick Boy Wonder slide down this pole we’ve got no time to lose.
mollwollfumble said:
Did you notice yesterday that Ukraine said they would forgive Russia for the attack but never forgive Belarus for allowing Russian troops to pass through unmolested.Seems weird, right, very weird?
But now we have a motive. Ukraine wants to annex Belarus.
One possibility, the carrot of the carrot and stick approach, is that the Ukraine has been promised by America that after the war it will be given Belarus, if it starts off by playing the role of the raped lady.
America has been known to have made major promises under similar circumstances before, and has never kept those promises.
Fuck me… you’re like a mathematical vacuum cleaner whose views on anything else are so fanciful you should be kept in the cupboard under the stairs until help kis needed with some integral calculus.
Honestly you’re as nutty as any flat earther.
mollwollfumble said:
Did you notice yesterday that Ukraine said they would forgive Russia for the attack but never forgive Belarus for allowing Russian troops to pass through unmolested.Seems weird, right, very weird?
But now we have a motive. Ukraine wants to annex Belarus.
One possibility, the carrot of the carrot and stick approach, is that the Ukraine has been promised by America that after the war it will be given Belarus, if it starts off by playing the role of the raped lady.
America has been known to have made major promises under similar circumstances before, and has never kept those promises.
Yawn
Belarus is being annexed by Russia
Belarus should face same sanctions as Russia in event of invasion, says EU
Seems Putin wants to harken back to the days of the USSR instead of Russia just being another nation in Eastern Europe.
No one of these leaders learn from history and human nature that empires come and go and you aren’t any different
