Date: 5/03/2022 18:09:41
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1856574
Subject: PROTECT AND SURVIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0U
cheer up sunshine, its not all doom and gloom !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0U
cheer up sunshine, its not all doom and gloom !
wookiemeister said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0Ucheer up sunshine, its not all doom and gloom !
Oh, it is!
The topic title “Protect and Survive” reminded me of “Duck and Cover”. And that really is what the video is about.
I can’t watch videos (no sound).
Nuclear weapons aren’t as bad as you might imagine. The death toll at Hiroshima was largely due to the buildings being built of paper catching on fire, most people died in the fire. Also, the post fire low dosage effect of radioactivity was enhanced by the effects of that fire.
A single H bomb landing on Sydney would only kill about 10% of the population there.
So. Put out fires. Stay indoors until the fallout ceases. Get out your Geiger counters. Send in the bulldozers. Then, and only then, evacuate along cleared paths.
It’s not really that much worse than a large tsunami.
On the other hand, that’s only one H-bomb. There are about 13,080 currently active, and in a couple of months that number could double, because the plutonium, highly enriched uranium and similar ‘hard to manufacture’ items are still there in storage in the USA ready for assembly.
Preparation matters.
It is not by accident that my house and my family’s houses are all above tsunami flood level.
Are all outside cyclone zones.
And are all outside the H-bomb blast zone for city centres and major military targets.
mollwollfumble said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0Ucheer up sunshine, its not all doom and gloom !
Oh, it is!
The topic title “Protect and Survive” reminded me of “Duck and Cover”. And that really is what the video is about.
I can’t watch videos (no sound).
Nuclear weapons aren’t as bad as you might imagine. The death toll at Hiroshima was largely due to the buildings being built of paper catching on fire, most people died in the fire. Also, the post fire low dosage effect of radioactivity was enhanced by the effects of that fire.
A single H bomb landing on Sydney would only kill about 10% of the population there.
So. Put out fires. Stay indoors until the fallout ceases. Get out your Geiger counters. Send in the bulldozers. Then, and only then, evacuate along cleared paths.
It’s not really that much worse than a large tsunami.
On the other hand, that’s only one H-bomb. There are about 13,080 currently active, and in a couple of months that number could double, because the plutonium, highly enriched uranium and similar ‘hard to manufacture’ items are still there in storage in the USA ready for assembly.
nuclear war is most effective at lunchtime on a regular when everyone has gone into the city, at lunch time more people are out and about.
the russians have made nasty bombs, the by product is deadly and long lasting. they are powerful. most likely they will have dialled them up to max power.
the radiation gets you one way or the other, those that survive the flash and heat and pressure wave face having no further food supplies. if you are armed you’ll find it easier to survive.
mollwollfumble said:
Preparation matters.It is not by accident that my house and my family’s houses are all above tsunami flood level.
Are all outside cyclone zones.
And are all outside the H-bomb blast zone for city centres and major military targets.
if you look at the flash you’ll be blinded. dont stand up, lay down or behind something, stay down, about a million pieces of debris will pass over your head, but most likely you’ll be killed by a fast moving brick or glass. if you survive the initial blast – stay down, the vacuum created by the blast sees atmospheric pressure send all the crap back to the centre
because our society is centralised and “just in time” knocking out the cities destroys logistics. the shelves are becoming bare again in QLD because of cv19 and the floods. even macdonalds no longer has some types of food
knocking out the cities kills socities “specialists” surgeons, specialised medical treatment, money supplies, warehouses full of food, the docks get destroyed, no more ships. refineries are often part of major cities, kurnell would be destroyed, the refineroes of brisbane/ melbourne get trashed, all the specialist workers that run the refineries get glassed.
the surviving remnants of the australian population will most likely be out west away from the major cities say 500km. the problem is – no diesel. all the diesel got destroyed in the strike. you’d probably see about 95 percent of the population in say months. the best thing you could do is try to seal up what important things you have in a vault for another generation to find, along with how the end came. in about 5000 years someone will discover the vault and find out what happened.
the australian psyche doesn’t plan, doesn’t plan, doesn’t plan. we elect retards into positions of power and fill the public service with fools.
wookiemeister said:
…and fill the public service with fools.
Hey, i resemble that remark!
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
…and fill the public service with fools.
Hey, i resemble that remark!
they have never disclosed WHO gave the nod for that cruise ship to dock in sydney
wookiemeister said:
…are often sprawling and inefficient.
Still sounds like you’re talking about me.
Russian may win the ground for a while but I doubt they’ll be able to hold it. The sanctions are starting to bite hard already and too many countries are supporting Ukraine. It’ll burn up a lot of what Russia has in stock and after a while they’ll realise it’ll be a bit like a modern Afghanistan for them.
Spiny Norman said:
Russian may win the ground for a while but I doubt they’ll be able to hold it. The sanctions are starting to bite hard already and too many countries are supporting Ukraine. It’ll burn up a lot of what Russia has in stock and after a while they’ll realise it’ll be a bit like a modern Afghanistan for them.
russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-ukraine-conflict-highlights-wheat-supply-vulnerability-2022-03-03/
wookiemeister said:
https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-ukraine-conflict-highlights-wheat-supply-vulnerability-2022-03-03/
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Russian may win the ground for a while but I doubt they’ll be able to hold it. The sanctions are starting to bite hard already and too many countries are supporting Ukraine. It’ll burn up a lot of what Russia has in stock and after a while they’ll realise it’ll be a bit like a modern Afghanistan for them.
thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
For sure. But I bet the rest of the world lasts through this longer than Russia can.
Spiny Norman said:
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Russian may win the ground for a while but I doubt they’ll be able to hold it. The sanctions are starting to bite hard already and too many countries are supporting Ukraine. It’ll burn up a lot of what Russia has in stock and after a while they’ll realise it’ll be a bit like a modern Afghanistan for them.
thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
For sure. But I bet the rest of the world lasts through this longer than Russia can.
what if russia has wargamed this and know something we dont
https://thebrag.com/misha-osipov-is-the-worlds-finest-4-year-old-chess-player/
the russians are chess players, every child knows chess. i don’t think this was an unplanned invasion
germany is now sending weapons to ukraine (just like old times), my bets are the russians turn tap the gas off
this will be a slow squeeze
we should probably start preparing for the sea lanes to be cut
we need to start making our own diesel
Russia and the man on the street will go through a whole lot of economic pain in the next month long before the rest of the world starves.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Russia and the man on the street will go through a whole lot of economic pain in the next month long before the rest of the world starves.
i don’t think russia has chosen to do this unplanned.
If Russia and Ukraine are excluded, other major exporters account for 16% of global stocks or enough wheat to feed the world for less than three weeks.
“You need to look at what’s available,” Dan Basse, president of Chicago-based consultancy AgResource, said of wheat stocks. “If someone has a problem, there is surely not enough supply.”
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
wookiemeister said:thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.
russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
For sure. But I bet the rest of the world lasts through this longer than Russia can.
i’m not surewhat if russia has wargamed this and know something we dont
https://thebrag.com/misha-osipov-is-the-worlds-finest-4-year-old-chess-player/
the russians are chess players, every child knows chess. i don’t think this was an unplanned invasion
I had thought of that and do think it’s possible. But the odds against anything like that being viable are not good.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/02/russia-war-wheat-economy-food-security/
This is “coming on top of a tightness in global supply,” said Glauber, the former chief economist at the U.S. Agriculture Department. >>>>>>“This couldn’t have come at a worse time.”<<<<<<<
The invasion only exacerbated these existing economic pressures, from driving up prices in the energy sector—oil, gas, and coal—to fueling fertilizer shortages. But in the short term, the global supply of wheat’s disruption has unnerved top international organization officials and food security experts the most.
The conflict has already ground Ukrainian exports, primarily from port cities on the Black Sea under siege by Russian forces, to a halt. In Russia, massive Western sanctions are already having a significant—if indirect—effect on the export of wheat and other vital crops as the financial industry that underwrites the country’s commodity businesses are blacklisted and global maritime shipping companies announce they’ll stop operating in Russia.
“History tells us that when you squeeze people so badly that they have no option between starvation and migration, they choose to migrate,” Husain said.
looks like europe will be getting wave after wave of migrants, all hungry, all wanting something, all needing money, accommodation
i put my money on the red army
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/mena-region-faces-crisis-as-worlds-key-wheat-producers-at-war
people don’t understand here – we live in australia. if you’ve ever travelled you discover the world is mostly a basket case, civil conflicts are everywhere, rubbish is everywhere. our streets are clean and tidy. not so elsewhere.
wookiemeister said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/mena-region-faces-crisis-as-worlds-key-wheat-producers-at-warpeople don’t understand here – we live in australia. if you’ve ever travelled you discover the world is mostly a basket case, civil conflicts are everywhere, rubbish is everywhere. our streets are clean and tidy. not so elsewhere.
I agree, I found New Zealand to be a hellhole.
most likely australia will start taking million of refugees and you can then flush this place down the toilet
sibeen said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/mena-region-faces-crisis-as-worlds-key-wheat-producers-at-warpeople don’t understand here – we live in australia. if you’ve ever travelled you discover the world is mostly a basket case, civil conflicts are everywhere, rubbish is everywhere. our streets are clean and tidy. not so elsewhere.
I agree, I found New Zealand to be a hellhole.
australian are more parochial
the kiwis you find over here have escaped the NZ gov. every now and then peter dutton fills up an airliner and deports a few hundred criminals back to NZ
wookiemeister said:
“History tells us that when you squeeze people so badly that they have no option between starvation and migration, they choose to migrate,” Husain said.looks like europe will be getting wave after wave of migrants, all hungry, all wanting something, all needing money, accommodation
i put my money on the red army
The average Russian soldier has to be lied to by his president to keep him from surrendering at the first sign of trouble.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
“History tells us that when you squeeze people so badly that they have no option between starvation and migration, they choose to migrate,” Husain said.looks like europe will be getting wave after wave of migrants, all hungry, all wanting something, all needing money, accommodation
i put my money on the red army
The average Russian soldier has to be lied to by his president to keep him from surrendering at the first sign of trouble.
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
“History tells us that when you squeeze people so badly that they have no option between starvation and migration, they choose to migrate,” Husain said.looks like europe will be getting wave after wave of migrants, all hungry, all wanting something, all needing money, accommodation
i put my money on the red army
The average Russian soldier has to be lied to by his president to keep him from surrendering at the first sign of trouble.
propaganda i’m afraid
And what are you basing your opinion on?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60588885
Babyn Yar: Anger as Kyiv’s Holocaust memorial is damaged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/babyn-yar-memorial-wasnt-hit-but-zelensky-finds-tool-to-rally-jews/
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The average Russian soldier has to be lied to by his president to keep him from surrendering at the first sign of trouble.
propaganda i’m afraidAnd what are you basing your opinion on?
drinky drinky motions
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The average Russian soldier has to be lied to by his president to keep him from surrendering at the first sign of trouble.
propaganda i’m afraidAnd what are you basing your opinion on?
Kingy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:propaganda i’m afraid
And what are you basing your opinion on?
drinky drinky motions
https://www.timesofisrael.com/babyn-yar-memorial-wasnt-hit-but-zelensky-finds-tool-to-rally-jews/
its all lies im afraid
anyway enough from me
for the moment
wookiemeister said:
its all lies im afraid
And what reputable news organisations do you rely on?
told you he goes click happy.
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Russian may win the ground for a while but I doubt they’ll be able to hold it. The sanctions are starting to bite hard already and too many countries are supporting Ukraine. It’ll burn up a lot of what Russia has in stock and after a while they’ll realise it’ll be a bit like a modern Afghanistan for them.
thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
It is going to be a commodities boom for Australia. International prices will soar, we are one of the few other major suppliers of many of the same goods. So long as domestic price rises and inflation are kept under control we might be the accidental beneficiaries of war on the other side of the planet. Even if we don’t sell a single unit of gas, coal or wheat to the markets affected.
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
Spiny Norman said:
Russian may win the ground for a while but I doubt they’ll be able to hold it. The sanctions are starting to bite hard already and too many countries are supporting Ukraine. It’ll burn up a lot of what Russia has in stock and after a while they’ll realise it’ll be a bit like a modern Afghanistan for them.
thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
It is going to be a commodities boom for Australia. International prices will soar, we are one of the few other major suppliers of many of the same goods. So long as domestic price rises and inflation are kept under control we might be the accidental beneficiaries of war on the other side of the planet. Even if we don’t sell a single unit of gas, coal or wheat to the markets affected.
And places in the Middle East will be going up in flames as the price of wheat soars.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.
russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
It is going to be a commodities boom for Australia. International prices will soar, we are one of the few other major suppliers of many of the same goods. So long as domestic price rises and inflation are kept under control we might be the accidental beneficiaries of war on the other side of the planet. Even if we don’t sell a single unit of gas, coal or wheat to the markets affected.
And places in the Middle East will be going up in flames as the price of wheat soars.
They might be glad of their half ration given they were lucky enough to not live in Ukraine.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:thats fine but the word is that ukraine and russia produce a heap of wheat, no more wheat being sold and the world starts starving and inflation goes through the roof.
russia has plenty of natural gas – natural gas makes urea, urea is fertiliser, the russians continue having plenty to eat. the rest of the world starves and revolutions break out, theres a revival of ISIS as governments become weaker, high inflation, taxes high, food prices high.
the russian plan is to capture ukraine intact
It is going to be a commodities boom for Australia. International prices will soar, we are one of the few other major suppliers of many of the same goods. So long as domestic price rises and inflation are kept under control we might be the accidental beneficiaries of war on the other side of the planet. Even if we don’t sell a single unit of gas, coal or wheat to the markets affected.
And places in the Middle East will be going up in flames as the price of wheat soars.
It’s going to be fucking messy. Add to this the population bombs will go off in the next decade too. The Boomers will reach retirement age and fall out of the job market and change their consumption habits – in the US and Europe. Plus the China demographic problem as the result of the One Child Policy are going to start to bite too. China are fucked in the long term, so is the EU. This is going to change world markets profoundly over the next decade even without wars and pandemics.
There is a lot of stuff going on that will be a big challenge to deal with. The world we have known for the last 20-30 years is gone. It won’t come back.
Seems to me that is should be possible to cure inflation …
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
It is going to be a commodities boom for Australia. International prices will soar, we are one of the few other major suppliers of many of the same goods. So long as domestic price rises and inflation are kept under control we might be the accidental beneficiaries of war on the other side of the planet. Even if we don’t sell a single unit of gas, coal or wheat to the markets affected.
And places in the Middle East will be going up in flames as the price of wheat soars.
It’s going to be fucking messy. Add to this the population bombs will go off in the next decade too. The Boomers will reach retirement age and fall out of the job market and change their consumption habits – in the US and Europe. Plus the China demographic problem as the result of the One Child Policy are going to start to bite too. China are fucked in the long term, so is the EU. This is going to change world markets profoundly over the next decade even without wars and pandemics.
There is a lot of stuff going on that will be a big challenge to deal with. The world we have known for the last 20-30 years is gone. It won’t come back.
we thought the confluence of so-called disasters was actually almost an engineered crossover solution to all of them together, as in as an ensemble of measures they actually fix each other’s problems and the people who are left will have utopia
dv said:
Seems to me that is should be possible to cure inflation …
In Australia, we will need to introduce export quotas and restrictions, to make sure the domestic market gets properly served. Raising interest rates to control inflation is not going to work like it has done the last 30 years, IMO. Yet it will be the first thing tried.
dv said:
Seems to me that is should be possible to cure inflation …
Low inflation is preferable to even minimal deflation.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Seems to me that is should be possible to cure inflation …
Low inflation is preferable to even minimal deflation.
Yeah but only because of the quasi irrational way things are currently run
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Seems to me that is should be possible to cure inflation …
Low inflation is preferable to even minimal deflation.
Yeah but only because of the quasi irrational way things are currently run
You’ll have to take that up with someone else.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Low inflation is preferable to even minimal deflation.
Yeah but only because of the quasi irrational way things are currently run
You’ll have to take that up with someone else.
yes please we would like to hear dv’s explanation
Back to original topic of surviving a nuclear war.
Something has occurred to me about surviving a nuclear attack.
“Operation crossroads” at Bikini Atoll.
In preparation, 95 unmanned ships were parked in the Atoll, “including carriers, battleships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, attack transports, and landing ships. The proxy fleet would have comprised the sixth largest naval fleet in the world if the ships had been active. All carried varying amounts of fuel, and some carried live ordnance.”
There were two A-bombs, each with a yield of 23 kt of TNT, one airborne and one underwater. Together they sank only 13 (=5 + 8) of the 95 ships. The Navy was initially ecstatic, they could survive a direct nuclear attack from both above and below water.
But the underwater explosion drenched the ships in radioactive water. The navy at first refused to accept that the ships were not salvageable and started cleaning the decks off with water, which because the water was radioactive made the situation worse. The only way the scientists could get the Navy to accept that the ships were unrecoverable was to get a fish from the atoll to take its own X-ray from ingested radiation.
But thinking now, although 2 A-bombs took out the fleet, it could have ended differently.
Let’s suppose that the ships had been manned, and sealed as would be the case in an actual war-preparedness situation. Some of the sailors below decks would survive the initial blast, although some would be killed extreme accelerations as the ships were picked up and tossed aside by the explosion.
Enough crew are likely to survive to see the ships flee the zone of radioactive water (if the ship was initially under-way this would happen even if no crew survived). And once in a region on non-radioactive water would wash the decks with clean water to remove any contamination by fall-out.
So the fleet was destroyed at Bikini Atoll because it was not manned. A fleet manned by even a small crew would have been able to steam out of the harbour and wash off the fallout.
In other words, in a real life scenario, rather than the fleet being destroyed by an A-bomb blast, it would survive. Protect and survive.
mollwollfumble said:
Back to original topic of surviving a nuclear war.
Something has occurred to me about surviving a nuclear attack.“Operation crossroads” at Bikini Atoll.
In preparation, 95 unmanned ships were parked in the Atoll, “including carriers, battleships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, attack transports, and landing ships. The proxy fleet would have comprised the sixth largest naval fleet in the world if the ships had been active. All carried varying amounts of fuel, and some carried live ordnance.”
There were two A-bombs, each with a yield of 23 kt of TNT, one airborne and one underwater. Together they sank only 13 (=5 + 8) of the 95 ships. The Navy was initially ecstatic, they could survive a direct nuclear attack from both above and below water.
But the underwater explosion drenched the ships in radioactive water. The navy at first refused to accept that the ships were not salvageable and started cleaning the decks off with water, which because the water was radioactive made the situation worse. The only way the scientists could get the Navy to accept that the ships were unrecoverable was to get a fish from the atoll to take its own X-ray from ingested radiation.
But thinking now, although 2 A-bombs took out the fleet, it could have ended differently.
Let’s suppose that the ships had been manned, and sealed as would be the case in an actual war-preparedness situation. Some of the sailors below decks would survive the initial blast, although some would be killed extreme accelerations as the ships were picked up and tossed aside by the explosion.
Enough crew are likely to survive to see the ships flee the zone of radioactive water (if the ship was initially under-way this would happen even if no crew survived). And once in a region on non-radioactive water would wash the decks with clean water to remove any contamination by fall-out.
So the fleet was destroyed at Bikini Atoll because it was not manned. A fleet manned by even a small crew would have been able to steam out of the harbour and wash off the fallout.
In other words, in a real life scenario, rather than the fleet being destroyed by an A-bomb blast, it would survive. Protect and survive.
I read about this experiment fairly recently but I’ve forgotten the details. Is it the one with the animals on board, some of whom survived?
wookiemeister said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/mena-region-faces-crisis-as-worlds-key-wheat-producers-at-warpeople don’t understand here – we live in australia. if you’ve ever travelled you discover the world is mostly a basket case, civil conflicts are everywhere, rubbish is everywhere. our streets are clean and tidy. not so elsewhere.
I met two Ukranian backpackers, tough girls. They told me they were astonished when the truck driver they got a lift with who was telling them how much he loced this country, rolled down the window and tossed hus big Mac rubbish and his empty coke can out the window.
They were horrified at the Australian attitude to rubbishing our country. They said they saw it everywhere they went.
So I don’t know what crap you are talking about.
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Tau.Neutrino said:
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Other stuff….
water filter
portable water from air extractor
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
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water filter
portable water from air extractor
10, 20 litre water containers
etc
Pakistan strikes key deal with Russia to buy gas and wheat – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/551044-pakistan-strikes-deal-russia/
wookiemeister said:
Pakistan strikes key deal with Russia to buy gas and wheat – reportshttps://www.rt.com/business/551044-pakistan-strikes-deal-russia/
As long as they don’t take early wickets I’m fine with that.
Ah Wookie, just the man.
I was asked today when Russia would wrap up this little skirmish, I told them that I’d only be guessing but I did know someone who would know.
So you don’t have to be too pacific like time or anything, just the date will do, todays the sixth.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ah Wookie, just the man.
I was asked today when Russia would wrap up this little skirmish, I told them that I’d only be guessing but I did know someone who would know.
So you don’t have to be too pacific like time or anything, just the date will do, todays the sixth.
russia has most likely PLANNED this invasion.
sibeen said:
wookiemeister said:
Pakistan strikes key deal with Russia to buy gas and wheat – reportshttps://www.rt.com/business/551044-pakistan-strikes-deal-russia/
As long as they don’t take early wickets I’m fine with that.
FUCK
I had to gob off, didn’t I.
china will probably try to take taiwan at some point
australia should have planned the war with china years ago but instead kept taking chinese immigrants, chinese students, kept selling vital assets to china (the water system in my town is controlled by china) – you don;t keep taking people from a nation that has threatened australia.
we should be PLANNING for an attack NOW
start making hundreds of thousands of service rifles
start building diesel plants that uses coal to make diesel – we need to prepare for the sea lanes to be cut
stop taking hundreds of thousands of new immigrants – we won’t be able to feed them
start building urea plants that uses coal to make urea
defend vital infrastructure from saboteurs and missile attack.
will we – nahhhh, we have a stupid government (labour will roll over)
I don’t understand why or when the Ukraine banned facebook and twitter.
On DW this morning, two reporters admitted that they don’t really know anything that’s happening because they can’t get any reliable information out of the relevant parts of the Ukraine and are being denied physical access to war zones.
But if Ukrainians have facebook and twitter then every piece of relevant information should be getting out to the west, surely.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
wookiemeister said:
Pakistan strikes key deal with Russia to buy gas and wheat – reportshttps://www.rt.com/business/551044-pakistan-strikes-deal-russia/
As long as they don’t take early wickets I’m fine with that.
FUCK
I had to gob off, didn’t I.
Yes, yes you did.
:(
the attack on australia will probably be on the power plants
once the power plants fall silent the cities will tear themselves apart – no water, no air con, no food
after say 6 months the chinese army casually lands in sydney that is now virtually silent, burnt out shops, buildings etc.
wookiemeister said:
the attack on australia will probably be on the power plantsonce the power plants fall silent the cities will tear themselves apart – no water, no air con, no food
after say 6 months the chinese army casually lands in sydney that is now virtually silent, burnt out shops, buildings etc.
Last war, the attack was poisoning Australia’s water supplies. Just narrowly avoided.
the hospitals start shutting down, the diesel generators finally shut down after a week.
electricity is the lifeblood of modern society.
but its ok – we have battery systems (they all get destroyed within the first hours)
the switchyards get hit – the 330kv – 132kv yards get hit – no more power across the nation
mollwollfumble said:
wookiemeister said:
the attack on australia will probably be on the power plantsonce the power plants fall silent the cities will tear themselves apart – no water, no air con, no food
after say 6 months the chinese army casually lands in sydney that is now virtually silent, burnt out shops, buildings etc.
Last war, the attack was poisoning Australia’s water supplies. Just narrowly avoided.
knock out the power grid, walk in months later to no resistance. all the sick are dead, the old people have died, disease rages across the country as no further vaccinations happen.
water will need to be boiled
the water plants won’t work, no more water from the tap, no toilet water
scomo sends 70 million dollars of vital weapons out of the country !
mollwollfumble said:
I don’t understand why or when the Ukraine banned facebook and twitter.On DW this morning, two reporters admitted that they don’t really know anything that’s happening because they can’t get any reliable information out of the relevant parts of the Ukraine and are being denied physical access to war zones.
But if Ukrainians have facebook and twitter then every piece of relevant information should be getting out to the west, surely.
Check your facts: Ukraine has not banned those platforms. Their president uses twitter in particular to communicate with Ukrainians.
Have you considered how much infrastructure has been destroyed? Could it be that lumps of the internet and phone communication infrastructure have been damaged?
by rights the chinese might not even arrive in the cities but rather the mines.
the cities will be full of problems disease, roving armed gangs, theres nothing there they want – they wouldn’t even want us for slave labour – its hard to make people work here even if you are paying them.
they’d probably land at weipa for the aluminium (they’d knock out the airbase there before arriving – just in case)
the mines of western australia would be useful
the coal mines but probably the open cut mines – its easier – they don’t need permission from the state govs anymore.
you’d get the various centrelink drifters turning up at the fence but the people there will have been told not to feed them.
I suppose the russians could employ people like the Iranians, north Koreans and other nations to fight on the eastern front for exchange of oil / gas – they would be happy to fight in Europe and stick it to NATO. you could probably employ the Taliban against NATO troops going across the border – they have a very good record at defeating NATO. north Korea would easily send maybe 10,000 soldiers for oil and gas, it will give them experience in fighting Western forces. The iranians could gain experience in surface to air systems, use them to hunt for drones etc – shoot down aircraft etc
When they go home they recommend buying the S400 systems once banned buying by America
The middle east becomes a hornet nests of modern SAM systems – not so east to bomb them anymore..