bet that made you choke
bet that made you choke
wookiemeister said:
bet that made you choke
Ha!
I’m looking forward to the debates, I reckon Craig ‘ill go alright against Scomo and Albo.
Spiny Norman said:
wookiemeister said:
bet that made you choke
Ha!

Honest Government Ad | United Australia Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ovERhq6uw
dv said:
There are signs all over the place for uap out in the Styx .
He’s vastly outspending the major parties.
Obviously only the very dumbest people will vote for him, but in a country with compulsory voting and plenty of dumb people in marginal seats, that can make a difference, as we saw last election.
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?
I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?
I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!
How’s that for a united Australia?
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?
I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?
Neurocysticercosis is caused by pork tapeworm larvae. Of all the worms that cause brain infections, the pork tapeworm causes by far the most cases of brain infections in the Western Hemisphere.
After people eat food contaminated with the tapeworm’s eggs, secretions in the stomach cause the eggs to hatch into larvae. The larvae enter the bloodstream and are distributed to all parts of the body, including the brain and spinal cord. The larvae form cysts (clusters of larvae enclosed in a protective wall). (The infection caused by cysts is called cysticercosis or, when the cysts form in the brain, neurocysticercosis.) These cysts cause few symptoms until the cysts degenerate and the larvae die, triggering inflammation, swelling, and symptoms such as headaches, seizures, personality changes, and mental impairment.
Sometimes the cysts block the flow of cerebrospinal fluid within the spaces of the brain (ventricles) putting pressure on the brain. This disorder is called hydrocephalus. The increased pressure can cause headaches, nausea, vomiting, and sleepiness.
Cysts may rupture and spill their contents into the cerebrospinal fluid, causing meningitis.
Without treatment, people with neurocysticercosis may die.
Doctors suspect neurocysticercosis in people who live in or have come from developing countries and who have typical symptoms. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) or computed tomography (CT) can often show the cysts. But blood tests and a spinal tap (lumbar puncture) to obtain a sample of cerebrospinal fluid are often needed to confirm the diagnosis. Occasionally, a biopsy of the cyst is needed.
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?
Back at you.
party_pants said:
I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!How’s that for a united Australia?
Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?

captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!How’s that for a united Australia?
Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.
hardly an improvement…
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!How’s that for a united Australia?
Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.
that explains everything
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!How’s that for a united Australia?
Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.
hardly an improvement…
No.
But, it can be seen that Qld doesn’t have a monopoly on producing annoying divisive ratbags.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.
hardly an improvement…
No.
But, it can be seen that Qld doesn’t have a monopoly on producing annoying divisive ratbags.
sibeen is a victorian. just sayin’
mollwollfumble said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?
Riggght…
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/
Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext
Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show
Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html
Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/
“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf
Remember when Twisted Sister sued for $1.5 million for anauthorised use of “We’re not gonna take it”?
Good times.
dv said:
Remember when Twisted Sister sued for $1.5 million for anauthorised use of “We’re not gonna take it”?Good times.
Yes and no.
The radio ad itself was awful. Dread awful. I stopped listening the radio during the election campaign just to avoid that ad. I am glad he got sued for it, but that was long after the event. I would have liked an injunction to ban the playing of the advertisement as a starting point.
Kingy said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltextVaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-showVaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.htmlHydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf
Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.
In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.
Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.
mollwollfumble said:
Kingy said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltextVaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-showVaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.htmlHydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdfThose results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.
In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.
Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.
refs?
mollwollfumble said:
In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
LOL, strawman.
JudgeMental said:
mollwollfumble said:In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
LOL, strawman.
In the early period, 400,733 unvaccinated children from 155,305 households participated. Median age was 6 years. The later period involved 181,307 unvaccinated children from 76,621 households. Median age in that period was 5 years.
mollwollfumble said:
Kingy said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltextVaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-showVaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.htmlHydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf
.In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
Where’s your control group?
“Science: (from Latin scientia ‘knowledge’) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.”
You have made a claim that is not testable. I provided Refs. You dismissed them, and provided none of your own. That is not how knowledge is advanced.
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
Kingy said:Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltextVaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-showVaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.htmlHydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdfThose results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.
In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.
Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.
refs?
molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.
poikilotherm said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.
In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.
Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.
refs?
molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.
Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.
mollwollfumble said:
Kingy said:
mollwollfumble said:
Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.
The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.
Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltextVaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-showVaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.htmlHydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdfThose results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.
In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.
As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.
Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.
mollwollfumble said:
poikilotherm said:
Arts said:refs?
molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.
Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.
OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.
It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.
Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.
It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.
no thanks
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
Kingy said:molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.
Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.
OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.
Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.
It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.
Actually I agree that it doesn’t stop transmission, but the vaccine is vastly superior in minimising symptoms in a statistically sound number of population.. my issue was that Hydroxychloroquine use.
I also have issues with RATs there seems to be a high number of false results. Or the PCR tests are wrong, because no one seems to do a third test to find out which one sucked.
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.
OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.
Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.
It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.
Actually I agree that it doesn’t stop transmission, but the vaccine is vastly superior in minimising symptoms in a statistically sound number of population.. my issue was that Hydroxychloroquine use.
I also have issues with RATs there seems to be a high number of false results. Or the PCR tests are wrong, because no one seems to do a third test to find out which one sucked.
we know it doesn’t stop transmission, that has never been a secret.
‘It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.”
And they’ve been absurdly effective at preventing death. Death/infection rates among the vaccinated are more than an order of magnitude lower. But I’ve presented all that in the main covid threads.
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.
Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.
It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.
Actually I agree that it doesn’t stop transmission, but the vaccine is vastly superior in minimising symptoms in a statistically sound number of population.. my issue was that Hydroxychloroquine use.
I also have issues with RATs there seems to be a high number of false results. Or the PCR tests are wrong, because no one seems to do a third test to find out which one sucked.
we know it doesn’t stop transmission, that has never been a secret.
Mol also missed the irony of me asking for a ref after he refuted the refs provided by kingy without refs.
so what do we mean by not stopping transmission, does reducing the risk of transmission by 10 to 95 percent count as stopping transmission in those 10 to 95 percent of instances
Bubblecar said:
He’s vastly outspending the major parties.Obviously only the very dumbest people will vote for him, but in a country with compulsory voting and plenty of dumb people in marginal seats, that can make a difference, as we saw last election.
Is he Australia’s Donald Trump ?
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
He’s vastly outspending the major parties.Obviously only the very dumbest people will vote for him, but in a country with compulsory voting and plenty of dumb people in marginal seats, that can make a difference, as we saw last election.
Is he Australia’s Donald Trump ?
I don’t think he’s as anywhere as loopy as DT (is that even possible?).
Rather smarter, more likely.
He doesn’t really want to run the country as a UAP government.
But, he does want to be seen as indispensable (or, at least, very useful) to any L/NP government so that he can get whatever he wants by proxy. Sort of the ‘new’ Nat. party in the L/NP coalition, a new tail wagging the L/NP dog.
I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack
Remember that picture of palmer counting a wad of notes in parliament ?
wookiemeister said:
I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack
I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attackI’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.
Send to Thailand to go on some crash detox diet…
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attackI’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.
maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attackI’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.
maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.
He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.
maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.
He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.
Palmer needs to get “shredded”
What happens if Clive palmer dies
Who gets the money ??
Does his death activate a dead man’s handle where his adverts are unleashed on youtube for all time?
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.
maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.
He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.
wait didn’t the arsehole get COVID-19, and then the other arsehole got COVID-19, and we’re supposed to be distracted enough by some war or floods or something that we don’t realise there could be a connection
wookiemeister said:
poikilotherm said:
sarahs mum said:maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.
He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.
NoPalmer needs to get “shredded”
you lot are savage
Arts said:
wookiemeister said:
poikilotherm said:He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.
NoPalmer needs to get “shredded”
you lot are savage
In my opinion he would still be alive if he hadn’t essentially walked out on his wife and kids by having an affair. Instead of boozing it up , burning the candle at both ends he’d be at home being responsible etc. Ive seen reports of him active on tinder / dating apps , at his age he should be at home looking after his children instead of being with strange women on endless dates.