Date: 6/03/2022 20:57:21
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1857111
Subject: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

bet that made you choke

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Date: 6/03/2022 20:59:31
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1857114
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

wookiemeister said:


bet that made you choke

Ha!

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Date: 6/03/2022 21:00:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1857116
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

I’m looking forward to the debates, I reckon Craig ‘ill go alright against Scomo and Albo.

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Date: 6/03/2022 21:02:36
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1857120
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Spiny Norman said:


wookiemeister said:

bet that made you choke

Ha!


i know what my audience likes

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Date: 6/03/2022 21:09:04
From: dv
ID: 1857130
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

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Date: 6/03/2022 21:12:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1857132
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Honest Government Ad | United Australia Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ovERhq6uw

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Date: 6/03/2022 21:45:53
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1857143
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

dv said:



There are signs all over the place for uap out in the Styx .

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Date: 6/03/2022 23:27:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1857169
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

He’s vastly outspending the major parties.

Obviously only the very dumbest people will vote for him, but in a country with compulsory voting and plenty of dumb people in marginal seats, that can make a difference, as we saw last election.

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Date: 7/03/2022 11:20:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1857248
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

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Date: 7/03/2022 12:44:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1857270
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?

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Date: 7/03/2022 12:46:37
From: party_pants
ID: 1857275
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!

How’s that for a united Australia?

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Date: 7/03/2022 12:49:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1857276
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?

Neurocysticercosis is caused by pork tapeworm larvae. Of all the worms that cause brain infections, the pork tapeworm causes by far the most cases of brain infections in the Western Hemisphere.

After people eat food contaminated with the tapeworm’s eggs, secretions in the stomach cause the eggs to hatch into larvae. The larvae enter the bloodstream and are distributed to all parts of the body, including the brain and spinal cord. The larvae form cysts (clusters of larvae enclosed in a protective wall). (The infection caused by cysts is called cysticercosis or, when the cysts form in the brain, neurocysticercosis.) These cysts cause few symptoms until the cysts degenerate and the larvae die, triggering inflammation, swelling, and symptoms such as headaches, seizures, personality changes, and mental impairment.

Sometimes the cysts block the flow of cerebrospinal fluid within the spaces of the brain (ventricles) putting pressure on the brain. This disorder is called hydrocephalus. The increased pressure can cause headaches, nausea, vomiting, and sleepiness.

Cysts may rupture and spill their contents into the cerebrospinal fluid, causing meningitis.

Without treatment, people with neurocysticercosis may die.

Doctors suspect neurocysticercosis in people who live in or have come from developing countries and who have typical symptoms. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) or computed tomography (CT) can often show the cysts. But blood tests and a spinal tap (lumbar puncture) to obtain a sample of cerebrospinal fluid are often needed to confirm the diagnosis. Occasionally, a biopsy of the cyst is needed.

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Date: 7/03/2022 12:51:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1857279
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Witty Rejoinder said:


mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?

Back at you.

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:11:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1857282
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

party_pants said:


I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!

How’s that for a united Australia?

Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:15:12
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1857286
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Witty Rejoinder said:


mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:18:32
From: party_pants
ID: 1857287
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!

How’s that for a united Australia?

Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.

hardly an improvement…

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:24:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1857291
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!

How’s that for a united Australia?

Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.

that explains everything

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:30:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1857295
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I’ll never vote for a Queenslander!

How’s that for a united Australia?

Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.

hardly an improvement…

No.

But, it can be seen that Qld doesn’t have a monopoly on producing annoying divisive ratbags.

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:32:09
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1857298
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Clive Palmer was born in Victoria.

hardly an improvement…

No.

But, it can be seen that Qld doesn’t have a monopoly on producing annoying divisive ratbags.

sibeen is a victorian. just sayin’

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Date: 7/03/2022 13:48:55
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1857316
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Do you think it might be intestinal parasites that make you a moron?


Riggght…

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Date: 7/03/2022 14:44:41
From: Kingy
ID: 1857339
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/

Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show

Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html

Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf

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Date: 7/03/2022 15:39:32
From: dv
ID: 1857349
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Remember when Twisted Sister sued for $1.5 million for anauthorised use of “We’re not gonna take it”?

Good times.

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Date: 7/03/2022 15:58:27
From: party_pants
ID: 1857350
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

dv said:


Remember when Twisted Sister sued for $1.5 million for anauthorised use of “We’re not gonna take it”?

Good times.

Yes and no.

The radio ad itself was awful. Dread awful. I stopped listening the radio during the election campaign just to avoid that ad. I am glad he got sued for it, but that was long after the event. I would have liked an injunction to ban the playing of the advertisement as a starting point.

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Date: 7/03/2022 19:32:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1857407
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Kingy said:


mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/

Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show

Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html

Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf

Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.

Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.

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Date: 7/03/2022 19:39:28
From: Arts
ID: 1857410
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/

Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show

Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html

Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf

Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.

Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.

refs?

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Date: 7/03/2022 19:46:09
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1857414
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

LOL, strawman.

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Date: 7/03/2022 19:48:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1857415
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

JudgeMental said:


mollwollfumble said:

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

LOL, strawman.

In the early period, 400,733 unvaccinated children from 155,305 households participated. Median age was 6 years. The later period involved 181,307 unvaccinated children from 76,621 households. Median age in that period was 5 years.

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Date: 7/03/2022 19:54:27
From: Kingy
ID: 1857417
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/

Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show

Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html

Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf


.

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

Where’s your control group?

“Science: (from Latin scientia ‘knowledge’) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.”

You have made a claim that is not testable. I provided Refs. You dismissed them, and provided none of your own. That is not how knowledge is advanced.

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Date: 7/03/2022 20:27:20
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1857423
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Arts said:


mollwollfumble said:

Kingy said:

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/

Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show

Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html

Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf

Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.

Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.

refs?

molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.

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Date: 7/03/2022 21:28:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1857434
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

poikilotherm said:


Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.

Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.

refs?

molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.

Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:36:47
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1857470
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


Kingy said:

mollwollfumble said:

Does he still have a supply of hydroxyquinoline?

I might vote for him if it means that it becomes available.

The vaccines haven’t stopped Covid cases.

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/

Vaccines 50% effective with Delta:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Vaccines 90% effective against transmission:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show

Vaccines around 40% effective against Delta transmission:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-vaccines-covid-transmission.html

Hydroxychloroquine worse than placebo:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

“These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay. (Funded by the World Health Organization; ISRCTN Registry number, ISRCTN83971151. opens in new tab; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04315948. opens in new tab.)”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2023184
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200619-covid-19-sitrep-151.pdf

Those results are in a false environment with a very small number of people in each trial.

In the real outdoors environment, vaccines have so far, in a trial involving more than a billion people across nearly every country on Earth, had no effect upon transmission.

As for hydroxychloroquine, the Chinese announced back in late Jan 2020 that it was effective against pneumonia-like diseases including Covid. This effectiveness was confirmed by later studies in at least four different countries.

Hydroxychloroquine is not expected to stop transmission, the correct use would be for those who fail Rapid Antigen Tests at home and decide to isolate at home. Where they can’t otherwise get access to ANY life-saving medicines.

mollwollfumble said:


poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

refs?

molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.

Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.

OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.

It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.

Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.

It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:39:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1857471
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

no thanks

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:43:11
From: Arts
ID: 1857472
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

Kingy said:

molls getting almost as good as the wookie report these days.

Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.

OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.

It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.

Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.

It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.

Actually I agree that it doesn’t stop transmission, but the vaccine is vastly superior in minimising symptoms in a statistically sound number of population.. my issue was that Hydroxychloroquine use.

I also have issues with RATs there seems to be a high number of false results. Or the PCR tests are wrong, because no one seems to do a third test to find out which one sucked.

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:46:30
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1857473
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Arts said:


mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Have already provided proof in the Covid threads. Twice.

OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.

It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.

Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.

It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.

Actually I agree that it doesn’t stop transmission, but the vaccine is vastly superior in minimising symptoms in a statistically sound number of population.. my issue was that Hydroxychloroquine use.

I also have issues with RATs there seems to be a high number of false results. Or the PCR tests are wrong, because no one seems to do a third test to find out which one sucked.

we know it doesn’t stop transmission, that has never been a secret.

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:46:44
From: dv
ID: 1857474
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

‘It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.”

And they’ve been absurdly effective at preventing death. Death/infection rates among the vaccinated are more than an order of magnitude lower. But I’ve presented all that in the main covid threads.

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:48:47
From: Arts
ID: 1857476
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Bogsnorkler said:


Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

OK OK. I get it, poi, arts, kingy. You want me to prove it a third time.
And this time you want me to do it rigorously – confidence intervals, rejection of statistical outliers, all that sort of stuff.
Using all the source data in owid-covid-data.csv.

It won’t change the result though. Vaccines have been very close to 0% effective against covid transmission, and always have been since vaccines were first released worldwide.

Whether vaccines were effective against Covid transmission before vaccines were released worldwide is irrelevant.

It’ll take me a couple of days to go through all the statistics – again. This is the wrong thread, poi, arts, kingy, so keep a lookout in the covid thread.

Actually I agree that it doesn’t stop transmission, but the vaccine is vastly superior in minimising symptoms in a statistically sound number of population.. my issue was that Hydroxychloroquine use.

I also have issues with RATs there seems to be a high number of false results. Or the PCR tests are wrong, because no one seems to do a third test to find out which one sucked.

we know it doesn’t stop transmission, that has never been a secret.

Mol also missed the irony of me asking for a ref after he refuted the refs provided by kingy without refs.

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Date: 7/03/2022 22:54:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1857481
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

so what do we mean by not stopping transmission, does reducing the risk of transmission by 10 to 95 percent count as stopping transmission in those 10 to 95 percent of instances

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Date: 8/03/2022 11:16:49
From: Cymek
ID: 1857599
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Bubblecar said:


He’s vastly outspending the major parties.

Obviously only the very dumbest people will vote for him, but in a country with compulsory voting and plenty of dumb people in marginal seats, that can make a difference, as we saw last election.

Is he Australia’s Donald Trump ?

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Date: 8/03/2022 11:25:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1857601
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Cymek said:


Bubblecar said:

He’s vastly outspending the major parties.

Obviously only the very dumbest people will vote for him, but in a country with compulsory voting and plenty of dumb people in marginal seats, that can make a difference, as we saw last election.

Is he Australia’s Donald Trump ?

I don’t think he’s as anywhere as loopy as DT (is that even possible?).

Rather smarter, more likely.

He doesn’t really want to run the country as a UAP government.

But, he does want to be seen as indispensable (or, at least, very useful) to any L/NP government so that he can get whatever he wants by proxy. Sort of the ‘new’ Nat. party in the L/NP coalition, a new tail wagging the L/NP dog.

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:00:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1857899
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack

Remember that picture of palmer counting a wad of notes in parliament ?

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:06:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1857904
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

wookiemeister said:


I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack

I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:07:52
From: party_pants
ID: 1857905
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

captain_spalding said:


wookiemeister said:

I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack

I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.

Send to Thailand to go on some crash detox diet…

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:07:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1857906
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

captain_spalding said:


wookiemeister said:

I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack

I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.

maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:13:34
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1857908
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

sarahs mum said:


captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I’m amazed palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack

I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.

maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.

He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:27:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1857922
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

poikilotherm said:


sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.

maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.

He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.


No

Palmer needs to get “shredded”

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:29:54
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1857923
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

What happens if Clive palmer dies

Who gets the money ??

Does his death activate a dead man’s handle where his adverts are unleashed on youtube for all time?

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:32:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1857929
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m slightly dismayed that Palmer hasn’t died of a heart attack.

maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.

He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.

wait didn’t the arsehole get COVID-19, and then the other arsehole got COVID-19, and we’re supposed to be distracted enough by some war or floods or something that we don’t realise there could be a connection

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Date: 8/03/2022 21:56:20
From: Arts
ID: 1857949
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

wookiemeister said:


poikilotherm said:

sarahs mum said:

maybe he could try the all liquid diet for a while.

He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.


No

Palmer needs to get “shredded”

you lot are savage

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Date: 8/03/2022 22:01:26
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1857952
Subject: re: Vote 1 clive palmer's united australia party

Arts said:


wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

He could try starting a fraudulent charitable foundation too I guess.


No

Palmer needs to get “shredded”

you lot are savage


It was shock when warnie died

In my opinion he would still be alive if he hadn’t essentially walked out on his wife and kids by having an affair. Instead of boozing it up , burning the candle at both ends he’d be at home being responsible etc. Ive seen reports of him active on tinder / dating apps , at his age he should be at home looking after his children instead of being with strange women on endless dates.

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