Date: 11/03/2022 20:15:21
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1859267
Subject: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

_______________

Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika.

Male Aedes aegypti mosquitos don’t bite humans, but females do, and so the genetic modification causes females to die off soon after being born.

The project has been cleared by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the first wave is due to be released this year, although it isn’t clear exactly when this will happen, as it requires state regulatory approval in Florida and California.

It isn’t likely to be a problem in Florida, as the state played host to a trial last year that saw millions of the same type of Oxitec mosquitos released in the Florida Keys.

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females © Provided by Daily Mail Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females
Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health.’

The EPA cleared the technology, giving Oxitec an experimental use permit that allows them to release 2.4 billion edited mosquitos between 2022 and 2024.

In total two billion will be released in California, and another 400 million in Florida, where millions are already spreading through the mosquito population.

The male insects have been genetically modified to express the protein tTAV-OX5034, which results in the death of any newly born females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika

The species, Aedes aegypti, isn’t native to either California or Florida, but has started to become and invasive problem, bringing multiple human diseases.

It has been know to spread Dengue fever, chikungunya, Zika and yellow fever.

HOW IT WORKS

Only female Aedes aegypti mosquitos bite and spread disease.

So Oxitec has created males that pass on a gene that kills female offspring before they mature.

Their male offspring continue mating and passing on the altered gene.

Over time this reduces the population, slows the spread of biting females, and reduces disease transmission.

The firm describes it as a sustainable form of pest control that only impacts the target, invasive species.

The idea behind the modification is to kill off any female offspring before they reach maturity and are able to go out and bite humans, spreading these diseases.

This would also work to reduce the population of the invasive species, further slowing disease transmission, although that is still theoretical.

The modified species have been put through multiple tests and trials, to ensure the modifications won’t harm eco-systems or humans.

“Once released into the environment, genetically engineered mosquitoes cannot be recalled,” Dr Robert Gould, President of San Francisco Bay Physicians for Social Responsibility, said, speaking through Friends of the Earth.

“Rather than forge ahead with an unregulated open-air genetic experiment, we need precautionary action, transparent data and appropriate risk assessments.”

The Center for Food Safety isn’t happy with the project either, with Policy Director Jaydee Hanson calling it a dangerous and unnecessary experiment as there are ‘no locally acquired cases of dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya or Zika in California.’

Oxitec says the mosquitos are safe, and offer a sustainable form of pest control that doesn’t harm beneficial insects within an ecosystem – only this single species.

“Given the growing health threat this mosquito poses across the U.S., we’re working to make this technology available and accessible,’ said Oxitec CEO, Grey Frandsen.

‘These pilot programs, wherein we can demonstrate the technology’s effectiveness in different climate settings, will play an important role in doing so.’

The latest EPA approval is actually an extension of the 2020 permit, that allowed Oxitec to release millions of modified mosquitos in the Florida Keys last year.

Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health’
Oxitec will now have to submit permit applications to state regulators in California and Florida, so the release of the mosquitos isn’t final.

Friends of the Earth hope to appeal to state regulators, to prevent the release of the billions of mosquitos, claiming there is no publicly available data to support the idea they will lead to a reduction in mosquito-borne disease.

“Scientists have found genetic material from GE mosquitoes in wild populations at significant levels, which means GE mosquitoes are not sterile. GE mosquitoes could result in far more health and environmental problems than they would solve,” said Dana Perls, Food and Technology Program Manager at Friends of the Earth.

“EPA needs to do a real review of potential risks and stop ignoring widespread opposition in the communities where releases will happen.”

The EPA did not publicly release any data from Oxitec field trials in Florida or Brazil and key information about health effects, including allergenicity and toxicity, was redacted from the company’s application for a permit, according to Dana Perls.

There was also no requirement for scientific assessments that included endangered species reviews, public health impact analysis and caged trials ahead of release.

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:24:04
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1859273
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

monkey skipper said:


Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

_______________

Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika.

Male Aedes aegypti mosquitos don’t bite humans, but females do, and so the genetic modification causes females to die off soon after being born.

The project has been cleared by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the first wave is due to be released this year, although it isn’t clear exactly when this will happen, as it requires state regulatory approval in Florida and California.

It isn’t likely to be a problem in Florida, as the state played host to a trial last year that saw millions of the same type of Oxitec mosquitos released in the Florida Keys.

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females © Provided by Daily Mail Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females
Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health.’

The EPA cleared the technology, giving Oxitec an experimental use permit that allows them to release 2.4 billion edited mosquitos between 2022 and 2024.

In total two billion will be released in California, and another 400 million in Florida, where millions are already spreading through the mosquito population.

The male insects have been genetically modified to express the protein tTAV-OX5034, which results in the death of any newly born females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika

The species, Aedes aegypti, isn’t native to either California or Florida, but has started to become and invasive problem, bringing multiple human diseases.

It has been know to spread Dengue fever, chikungunya, Zika and yellow fever.

HOW IT WORKS

Only female Aedes aegypti mosquitos bite and spread disease.

So Oxitec has created males that pass on a gene that kills female offspring before they mature.

Their male offspring continue mating and passing on the altered gene.

Over time this reduces the population, slows the spread of biting females, and reduces disease transmission.

The firm describes it as a sustainable form of pest control that only impacts the target, invasive species.

The idea behind the modification is to kill off any female offspring before they reach maturity and are able to go out and bite humans, spreading these diseases.

This would also work to reduce the population of the invasive species, further slowing disease transmission, although that is still theoretical.

The modified species have been put through multiple tests and trials, to ensure the modifications won’t harm eco-systems or humans.

“Once released into the environment, genetically engineered mosquitoes cannot be recalled,” Dr Robert Gould, President of San Francisco Bay Physicians for Social Responsibility, said, speaking through Friends of the Earth.

“Rather than forge ahead with an unregulated open-air genetic experiment, we need precautionary action, transparent data and appropriate risk assessments.”

The Center for Food Safety isn’t happy with the project either, with Policy Director Jaydee Hanson calling it a dangerous and unnecessary experiment as there are ‘no locally acquired cases of dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya or Zika in California.’

Oxitec says the mosquitos are safe, and offer a sustainable form of pest control that doesn’t harm beneficial insects within an ecosystem – only this single species.

“Given the growing health threat this mosquito poses across the U.S., we’re working to make this technology available and accessible,’ said Oxitec CEO, Grey Frandsen.

‘These pilot programs, wherein we can demonstrate the technology’s effectiveness in different climate settings, will play an important role in doing so.’

The latest EPA approval is actually an extension of the 2020 permit, that allowed Oxitec to release millions of modified mosquitos in the Florida Keys last year.

Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health’
Oxitec will now have to submit permit applications to state regulators in California and Florida, so the release of the mosquitos isn’t final.

Friends of the Earth hope to appeal to state regulators, to prevent the release of the billions of mosquitos, claiming there is no publicly available data to support the idea they will lead to a reduction in mosquito-borne disease.

“Scientists have found genetic material from GE mosquitoes in wild populations at significant levels, which means GE mosquitoes are not sterile. GE mosquitoes could result in far more health and environmental problems than they would solve,” said Dana Perls, Food and Technology Program Manager at Friends of the Earth.

“EPA needs to do a real review of potential risks and stop ignoring widespread opposition in the communities where releases will happen.”

The EPA did not publicly release any data from Oxitec field trials in Florida or Brazil and key information about health effects, including allergenicity and toxicity, was redacted from the company’s application for a permit, according to Dana Perls.

There was also no requirement for scientific assessments that included endangered species reviews, public health impact analysis and caged trials ahead of release.

Frogs and birdies will die.

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:31:20
From: Arts
ID: 1859287
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

are there any initiatives that humans have implemented when they fucked around with the nature that have been 100% successful with zero impact anywhere?

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:32:56
From: dv
ID: 1859290
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Arts said:


are there any initiatives that humans have implemented when they fucked around with the nature that have been 100% successful with zero impact anywhere?

They’d be pretty shit if they had zero impact

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:37:56
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1859295
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Arts said:


are there any initiatives that humans have implemented when they fucked around with the nature that have been 100% successful with zero impact anywhere?

100% successful: nothing is perfect
zero impact: pointless doing it then.

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:41:57
From: Arts
ID: 1859297
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

dv said:


Arts said:

are there any initiatives that humans have implemented when they fucked around with the nature that have been 100% successful with zero impact anywhere?

They’d be pretty shit if they had zero impact

I realised what I said after I hit submit.. so lets change that to zero impact outside of what the intended one was

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:46:08
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1859300
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Peak Warming Man said:


monkey skipper said:

Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

_______________

Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika.

Male Aedes aegypti mosquitos don’t bite humans, but females do, and so the genetic modification causes females to die off soon after being born.

The project has been cleared by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the first wave is due to be released this year, although it isn’t clear exactly when this will happen, as it requires state regulatory approval in Florida and California.

It isn’t likely to be a problem in Florida, as the state played host to a trial last year that saw millions of the same type of Oxitec mosquitos released in the Florida Keys.

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females © Provided by Daily Mail Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females
Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health.’

The EPA cleared the technology, giving Oxitec an experimental use permit that allows them to release 2.4 billion edited mosquitos between 2022 and 2024.

In total two billion will be released in California, and another 400 million in Florida, where millions are already spreading through the mosquito population.

The male insects have been genetically modified to express the protein tTAV-OX5034, which results in the death of any newly born females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika

The species, Aedes aegypti, isn’t native to either California or Florida, but has started to become and invasive problem, bringing multiple human diseases.

It has been know to spread Dengue fever, chikungunya, Zika and yellow fever.

HOW IT WORKS

Only female Aedes aegypti mosquitos bite and spread disease.

So Oxitec has created males that pass on a gene that kills female offspring before they mature.

Their male offspring continue mating and passing on the altered gene.

Over time this reduces the population, slows the spread of biting females, and reduces disease transmission.

The firm describes it as a sustainable form of pest control that only impacts the target, invasive species.

The idea behind the modification is to kill off any female offspring before they reach maturity and are able to go out and bite humans, spreading these diseases.

This would also work to reduce the population of the invasive species, further slowing disease transmission, although that is still theoretical.

The modified species have been put through multiple tests and trials, to ensure the modifications won’t harm eco-systems or humans.

“Once released into the environment, genetically engineered mosquitoes cannot be recalled,” Dr Robert Gould, President of San Francisco Bay Physicians for Social Responsibility, said, speaking through Friends of the Earth.

“Rather than forge ahead with an unregulated open-air genetic experiment, we need precautionary action, transparent data and appropriate risk assessments.”

The Center for Food Safety isn’t happy with the project either, with Policy Director Jaydee Hanson calling it a dangerous and unnecessary experiment as there are ‘no locally acquired cases of dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya or Zika in California.’

Oxitec says the mosquitos are safe, and offer a sustainable form of pest control that doesn’t harm beneficial insects within an ecosystem – only this single species.

“Given the growing health threat this mosquito poses across the U.S., we’re working to make this technology available and accessible,’ said Oxitec CEO, Grey Frandsen.

‘These pilot programs, wherein we can demonstrate the technology’s effectiveness in different climate settings, will play an important role in doing so.’

The latest EPA approval is actually an extension of the 2020 permit, that allowed Oxitec to release millions of modified mosquitos in the Florida Keys last year.

Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health’
Oxitec will now have to submit permit applications to state regulators in California and Florida, so the release of the mosquitos isn’t final.

Friends of the Earth hope to appeal to state regulators, to prevent the release of the billions of mosquitos, claiming there is no publicly available data to support the idea they will lead to a reduction in mosquito-borne disease.

“Scientists have found genetic material from GE mosquitoes in wild populations at significant levels, which means GE mosquitoes are not sterile. GE mosquitoes could result in far more health and environmental problems than they would solve,” said Dana Perls, Food and Technology Program Manager at Friends of the Earth.

“EPA needs to do a real review of potential risks and stop ignoring widespread opposition in the communities where releases will happen.”

The EPA did not publicly release any data from Oxitec field trials in Florida or Brazil and key information about health effects, including allergenicity and toxicity, was redacted from the company’s application for a permit, according to Dana Perls.

There was also no requirement for scientific assessments that included endangered species reviews, public health impact analysis and caged trials ahead of release.

Frogs and birdies will die.

The impact to the food chain for critters has to be a concern

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:55:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1859303
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

monkey skipper said:


Peak Warming Man said:

monkey skipper said:

Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

_______________

Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika.

Male Aedes aegypti mosquitos don’t bite humans, but females do, and so the genetic modification causes females to die off soon after being born.

The project has been cleared by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the first wave is due to be released this year, although it isn’t clear exactly when this will happen, as it requires state regulatory approval in Florida and California.

It isn’t likely to be a problem in Florida, as the state played host to a trial last year that saw millions of the same type of Oxitec mosquitos released in the Florida Keys.

Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females © Provided by Daily Mail Billions of genetically engineered male mosquitos will be released in California and Florida over the next two years, as part of a mission to kill off biting females
Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health.’

The EPA cleared the technology, giving Oxitec an experimental use permit that allows them to release 2.4 billion edited mosquitos between 2022 and 2024.

In total two billion will be released in California, and another 400 million in Florida, where millions are already spreading through the mosquito population.

The male insects have been genetically modified to express the protein tTAV-OX5034, which results in the death of any newly born females.

Oxitec, based in Oxford UK, is a biological pest control development firm, that has produced the edited version of the flying insects to combat mosquito-borne diseases like Dengue, yellow fever and Zika

The species, Aedes aegypti, isn’t native to either California or Florida, but has started to become and invasive problem, bringing multiple human diseases.

It has been know to spread Dengue fever, chikungunya, Zika and yellow fever.

HOW IT WORKS

Only female Aedes aegypti mosquitos bite and spread disease.

So Oxitec has created males that pass on a gene that kills female offspring before they mature.

Their male offspring continue mating and passing on the altered gene.

Over time this reduces the population, slows the spread of biting females, and reduces disease transmission.

The firm describes it as a sustainable form of pest control that only impacts the target, invasive species.

The idea behind the modification is to kill off any female offspring before they reach maturity and are able to go out and bite humans, spreading these diseases.

This would also work to reduce the population of the invasive species, further slowing disease transmission, although that is still theoretical.

The modified species have been put through multiple tests and trials, to ensure the modifications won’t harm eco-systems or humans.

“Once released into the environment, genetically engineered mosquitoes cannot be recalled,” Dr Robert Gould, President of San Francisco Bay Physicians for Social Responsibility, said, speaking through Friends of the Earth.

“Rather than forge ahead with an unregulated open-air genetic experiment, we need precautionary action, transparent data and appropriate risk assessments.”

The Center for Food Safety isn’t happy with the project either, with Policy Director Jaydee Hanson calling it a dangerous and unnecessary experiment as there are ‘no locally acquired cases of dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya or Zika in California.’

Oxitec says the mosquitos are safe, and offer a sustainable form of pest control that doesn’t harm beneficial insects within an ecosystem – only this single species.

“Given the growing health threat this mosquito poses across the U.S., we’re working to make this technology available and accessible,’ said Oxitec CEO, Grey Frandsen.

‘These pilot programs, wherein we can demonstrate the technology’s effectiveness in different climate settings, will play an important role in doing so.’

The latest EPA approval is actually an extension of the 2020 permit, that allowed Oxitec to release millions of modified mosquitos in the Florida Keys last year.

Not everyone supports the idea, including Friends of the Earth, which describes it as ‘a destructive move that is dangerous for public health’
Oxitec will now have to submit permit applications to state regulators in California and Florida, so the release of the mosquitos isn’t final.

Friends of the Earth hope to appeal to state regulators, to prevent the release of the billions of mosquitos, claiming there is no publicly available data to support the idea they will lead to a reduction in mosquito-borne disease.

“Scientists have found genetic material from GE mosquitoes in wild populations at significant levels, which means GE mosquitoes are not sterile. GE mosquitoes could result in far more health and environmental problems than they would solve,” said Dana Perls, Food and Technology Program Manager at Friends of the Earth.

“EPA needs to do a real review of potential risks and stop ignoring widespread opposition in the communities where releases will happen.”

The EPA did not publicly release any data from Oxitec field trials in Florida or Brazil and key information about health effects, including allergenicity and toxicity, was redacted from the company’s application for a permit, according to Dana Perls.

There was also no requirement for scientific assessments that included endangered species reviews, public health impact analysis and caged trials ahead of release.

Frogs and birdies will die.

The impact to the food chain for critters has to be a concern

Why, apart from fewer mossies to be food?

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Date: 11/03/2022 20:59:59
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1859304
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Bogsnorkler said:


monkey skipper said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Frogs and birdies will die.

The impact to the food chain for critters has to be a concern

Why, apart from fewer mossies to be food?

I would’ve thought if you lower a food source the roll on affect in the food chain affects the species that rely on that food source

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Date: 11/03/2022 21:17:13
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1859308
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

monkey skipper said:


Bogsnorkler said:

monkey skipper said:

The impact to the food chain for critters has to be a concern

Why, apart from fewer mossies to be food?

I would’ve thought if you lower a food source the roll on affect in the food chain affects the species that rely on that food source

The article said these mosquitoes were not indigenous therefore are unlikely to have other species dependent upon them. Although it would be interesting to know how long they have existed in these regions and did they displace other species that had relationships with other species.

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Date: 11/03/2022 21:32:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1859316
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

PermeateFree said:


monkey skipper said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Why, apart from fewer mossies to be food?

I would’ve thought if you lower a food source the roll on affect in the food chain affects the species that rely on that food source

The article said these mosquitoes were not indigenous therefore are unlikely to have other species dependent upon them. Although it would be interesting to know how long they have existed in these regions and did they displace other species that had relationships with other species.

what, is it possible that eradicating cat or fox might cause bilby to repopulate

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Date: 12/03/2022 03:03:12
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1859373
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

SCIENCE said:


PermeateFree said:

monkey skipper said:

I would’ve thought if you lower a food source the roll on affect in the food chain affects the species that rely on that food source

The article said these mosquitoes were not indigenous therefore are unlikely to have other species dependent upon them. Although it would be interesting to know how long they have existed in these regions and did they displace other species that had relationships with other species.

what, is it possible that eradicating cat or fox might cause bilby to repopulate

Cat AND Fox, yes and many other native species.

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Date: 12/03/2022 05:54:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 1859383
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

PermeateFree said:


SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

The article said these mosquitoes were not indigenous therefore are unlikely to have other species dependent upon them. Although it would be interesting to know how long they have existed in these regions and did they displace other species that had relationships with other species.

what, is it possible that eradicating cat or fox might cause bilby to repopulate

Cat AND Fox, yes and many other native species.

The acceleration of declines is as simple as this. I’ve watched efforts here to reduce the loss of water to evaporation in the irrigation industry cause a huge decrease in the numbers of mosquitoes. This in turn means that now birds such as the willie wagtail and restless flycathers can only be found where water is permanent. Yes this is allso about the availability of water but if the insects were there the birds would get a fair bit of their water from this food.
Then again, I have seen several releases of irradiated fruit fly males with no apparent change in the spread of fruit fly.

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Date: 12/03/2022 15:43:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1859589
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

> Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

If it works, it’s a brilliant strategy.

That’s because, unlike other anti-pest strategies, it only affects a single species.

Insecticides are seriously awful because they can never be made specific enough, most are deadly not just the species you want to get rid of but to over 1000 other species that you don’t want to get rid of.

Chances of it working – negligible. But worth a try. It’s only recently that I learnt that the first fifteen or so trials of myxomatosis against Australian rabbits were abject failures. The first success came as a huge shock to the experimenters who had just about given up hope.

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Date: 12/03/2022 15:46:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1859590
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

mollwollfumble said:


> Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

If it works, it’s a brilliant strategy.

That’s because, unlike other anti-pest strategies, it only affects a single species.

Insecticides are seriously awful because they can never be made specific enough, most are deadly not just the species you want to get rid of but to over 1000 other species that you don’t want to get rid of.

Chances of it working – negligible. But worth a try. It’s only recently that I learnt that the first fifteen or so trials of myxomatosis against Australian rabbits were abject failures. The first success came as a huge shock to the experimenters who had just about given up hope.

I think you will find that isn’t the actual truth.

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Date: 13/03/2022 05:26:22
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1859827
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

> Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

If it works, it’s a brilliant strategy.

That’s because, unlike other anti-pest strategies, it only affects a single species.

Insecticides are seriously awful because they can never be made specific enough, most are deadly not just the species you want to get rid of but to over 1000 other species that you don’t want to get rid of.

Chances of it working – negligible. But worth a try. It’s only recently that I learnt that the first fifteen or so trials of myxomatosis against Australian rabbits were abject failures. The first success came as a huge shock to the experimenters who had just about given up hope.

I think you will find that isn’t the actual truth.

What? You think insecticides only kill the species you want to target?
They kill amphibians too.

Or do you think that myxomatosis worked first time. Nowhere near.

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Date: 13/03/2022 08:38:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 1859840
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Is this a good idea or a bad idea when considering the big picture?

If it works, it’s a brilliant strategy.

That’s because, unlike other anti-pest strategies, it only affects a single species.

Insecticides are seriously awful because they can never be made specific enough, most are deadly not just the species you want to get rid of but to over 1000 other species that you don’t want to get rid of.

Chances of it working – negligible. But worth a try. It’s only recently that I learnt that the first fifteen or so trials of myxomatosis against Australian rabbits were abject failures. The first success came as a huge shock to the experimenters who had just about given up hope.

I think you will find that isn’t the actual truth.

What? You think insecticides only kill the species you want to target?
They kill amphibians too.

Or do you think that myxomatosis worked first time. Nowhere near.

Moll, when did I mention insecticides?

I have to apologise because somehow I thought you said that the reason for success was that myxomatosis escaped from the lab. Which is what I was referring to as not true.
The actual reason for its success was that unusually high numbers of mosquitoes had been present at that time due to extensive flooding.
On this page there is no mention of escaped virus: https://csiropedia.csiro.au/myxomatosis-to-control-rabbits/

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Date: 13/03/2022 08:48:40
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1859843
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

I think you will find that isn’t the actual truth.

What? You think insecticides only kill the species you want to target?
They kill amphibians too.

Or do you think that myxomatosis worked first time. Nowhere near.

Moll, when did I mention insecticides?

I have to apologise because somehow I thought you said that the reason for success was that myxomatosis escaped from the lab. Which is what I was referring to as not true.
The actual reason for its success was that unusually high numbers of mosquitoes had been present at that time due to extensive flooding.
On this page there is no mention of escaped virus: https://csiropedia.csiro.au/myxomatosis-to-control-rabbits/

https://csiropedia.csiro.au/myxomatosis-to-control-rabbits/

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Date: 13/03/2022 08:57:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1859844
Subject: re: Billions of genetically modified male mosquitos will be released

Bogsnorkler said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

What? You think insecticides only kill the species you want to target?
They kill amphibians too.

Or do you think that myxomatosis worked first time. Nowhere near.

Moll, when did I mention insecticides?

I have to apologise because somehow I thought you said that the reason for success was that myxomatosis escaped from the lab. Which is what I was referring to as not true.
The actual reason for its success was that unusually high numbers of mosquitoes had been present at that time due to extensive flooding.
On this page there is no mention of escaped virus: https://csiropedia.csiro.au/myxomatosis-to-control-rabbits/

https://csiropedia.csiro.au/myxomatosis-to-control-rabbits/

That’s the one. Mentioned above.

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