Date: 15/03/2022 02:07:06
From: dv
ID: 1860632
Subject: Cypriot politics

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/09/rising-anger-with-turkey-drives-calls-for-reunification-in-crisis-hit-northern-cyprus

In his sun-filled office in north Nicosia, Şener Elcil is plotting his next protest. Anger, he says, is in the air in Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus.

The economy is in freefall, thanks to the self-declared republic’s financial and political dependence on Turkey. Thousands have taken to the streets, spurred by inflation rates that have left many struggling to make ends meet; ahead of parliamentary polls later this month, calls for a boycott are mounting, while a blacklist of Turkish Cypriot dissidents, reportedly drawn up at the behest of Ankara, has spawned consternation and fear.

“Turkey is our biggest problem,” says Elcil, who heads the Turkish Cypriot teachers’ union and is a vocal proponent of reunification of the war-divided island under a federal umbrella with the Greek-run south. “It should keep its hands off Cyprus and take its lira and go away.”

Elcil, 58, is among the statelet’s most outspoken opponents of the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, and his unorthodox economic policies.

The recent gyrations of the Turkish lira – adopted by the territory in 1976, two years after the Turkish invasion – have had a devastating effect on daily life for a populace that remains under international embargo and cut off from the rest of the world. The use of foreign currency for property transactions and the purchase of imported goods has made a bad situation worse – even if the lira has regained some of its dramatic loss in value against the dollar.

Amid rising desperation, along with demands for the entity to adopt a “stable” currency, Elcil is far from alone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/09/rising-anger-with-turkey-drives-calls-for-reunification-in-crisis-hit-northern-cyprus

If this analysis is correct, Erdogan is the major impediment to reunification. In positive news, Erdogan is at a very low ebb in popularity, averaging just 35% approval in recent polls. The Presidential election, due a year from now, is run in two stages, with a runoff election if no one gets over 50%. In recent head to head polls, he is averaging 40-60 versus the centre-left Ekrem İmamoğlu.

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Date: 15/03/2022 04:25:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1860638
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

dv said:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/09/rising-anger-with-turkey-drives-calls-for-reunification-in-crisis-hit-northern-cyprus

In his sun-filled office in north Nicosia, Şener Elcil is plotting his next protest. Anger, he says, is in the air in Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus.

The economy is in freefall, thanks to the self-declared republic’s financial and political dependence on Turkey. Thousands have taken to the streets, spurred by inflation rates that have left many struggling to make ends meet; ahead of parliamentary polls later this month, calls for a boycott are mounting, while a blacklist of Turkish Cypriot dissidents, reportedly drawn up at the behest of Ankara, has spawned consternation and fear.

“Turkey is our biggest problem,” says Elcil, who heads the Turkish Cypriot teachers’ union and is a vocal proponent of reunification of the war-divided island under a federal umbrella with the Greek-run south. “It should keep its hands off Cyprus and take its lira and go away.”

Elcil, 58, is among the statelet’s most outspoken opponents of the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, and his unorthodox economic policies.

The recent gyrations of the Turkish lira – adopted by the territory in 1976, two years after the Turkish invasion – have had a devastating effect on daily life for a populace that remains under international embargo and cut off from the rest of the world. The use of foreign currency for property transactions and the purchase of imported goods has made a bad situation worse – even if the lira has regained some of its dramatic loss in value against the dollar.

Amid rising desperation, along with demands for the entity to adopt a “stable” currency, Elcil is far from alone.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/09/rising-anger-with-turkey-drives-calls-for-reunification-in-crisis-hit-northern-cyprus

If this analysis is correct, Erdogan is the major impediment to reunification. In positive news, Erdogan is at a very low ebb in popularity, averaging just 35% approval in recent polls. The Presidential election, due a year from now, is run in two stages, with a runoff election if no one gets over 50%. In recent head to head polls, he is averaging 40-60 versus the centre-left Ekrem İmamoğlu.

Some background, please.

All I know from general knowledge is that for very many decades there’s been tension between the Greeks and Turkish factions for the control of Cyprus.

Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_problem

“It entered its current phase in the aftermath of the 1974 Turkish military invasion and occupation of the northern third of Cyprus. … The north is under the de facto administration of the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. … As a result of the two communities and the guarantor countries committing themselves to finding a peaceful solution to the dispute, the United Nations maintains a buffer zone (known as the “Green Line”) to avoid any further intercommunal tensions and hostilities … Recent years have seen warming of relations between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, with officially renewed reunification talks beginning in early 2014, though the talks have continuously stalled and resumed multiple times since they began.”

So should I take it from the OP that this is another stall in the talks?

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:21:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1860677
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:27:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1860678
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

History Never Repeats

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:30:15
From: Tamb
ID: 1860679
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Like the museum in Ulaanbaatar saying that Genghis Khan was a really good bloke.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:31:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1860682
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Like the museum in Ulaanbaatar saying that Genghis Khan was a really good bloke.

You mean somebody lefft the T off the end of Khan?

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:32:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1860683
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

History Never Repeats

Splitenz – Best Oz band evah :)

Didn’t realise they’d been around for so long.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:32:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1860685
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Just like ‘a gall bladder operation’ can result in the removal of the item named.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:33:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1860686
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

History Never Repeats

Splitenz – Best Oz band evah :)

Didn’t realise they’d been around for so long.

They were a Kiwi band, ;)

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:34:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 1860687
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Just like ‘a gall bladder operation’ can result in the removal of the item named.

and they only leave a keyhole scar.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:34:42
From: Tamb
ID: 1860688
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Like the museum in Ulaanbaatar saying that Genghis Khan was a really good bloke.

You mean somebody lefft the T off the end of Khan?


Only when talking about the cricketer.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:34:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1860689
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

History Never Repeats

Splitenz – Best Oz band evah :)

Didn’t realise they’d been around for so long.

They were a Kiwi band, ;)

Honorary Australians.

Outranks NZ citizenship.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:35:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1860690
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Just like ‘a gall bladder operation’ can result in the removal of the item named.

and they only leave a keyhole scar.

And a BAC Trident rusting on your driveway.

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:35:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1860691
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Splitenz – Best Oz band evah :)

Didn’t realise they’d been around for so long.

They were a Kiwi band, ;)

Honorary Australians.

Outranks NZ citizenship.

Indeed. ;)

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Date: 15/03/2022 09:37:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1860692
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

They were a Kiwi band, ;)

Honorary Australians.

Outranks NZ citizenship.

Indeed. ;)

Of course, if they’d started turning out shite music, they would have quickly been demoted to NZedders again.

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Date: 15/03/2022 10:01:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1860710
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I worked in Turkey from 1988 to 1991 and visited Northern Cyprus a couple of times. Inflation then was about 70-80%/year and it seemed to work OK, for those with a job at least, but I suppose it’s not sustainable long term.

By the way, the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

At least that’s what the museum in Girne (Kyrenia) said.

Like the museum in Ulaanbaatar saying that Genghis Khan was a really good bloke.

Yes. He was, you know. Unlike most other conquerors, Genghis left behind many new cities and a new Asia-wide civilization.

> the Turks didn’t invade and start a war in 1974, it was a “Peace Operation”.

All right, to be more precise it was a direct response to a military coup.

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Date: 15/03/2022 10:58:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1860736
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

Turkey or Greece is sort of a Hobson’s Choice.

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Date: 15/03/2022 11:09:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1860738
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Turkey or Greece is sort of a Hobson’s Choice.

How so?

Seems more of a dilemma to me.

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Date: 15/03/2022 11:11:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1860741
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Turkey or Greece is sort of a Hobson’s Choice.

How so?

Seems more of a dilemma to me.

One thing you can be sure of: the coffee will be good.

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Date: 15/03/2022 11:12:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1860742
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Turkey or Greece is sort of a Hobson’s Choice.

How so?

Seems more of a dilemma to me.

One thing you can be sure of: the coffee will be good.

Ha!

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Date: 22/10/2025 21:38:35
From: dv
ID: 2325860
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

https://youtu.be/es8XuWn0HzE?si=Q8PWlto5P9lNyAOm

Pro-Unification candidates win landslide election in Northern Cyprus, leading to optimism.

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Date: 22/10/2025 21:48:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2325863
Subject: re: Cypriot politics

dv said:


https://youtu.be/es8XuWn0HzE?si=Q8PWlto5P9lNyAOm

Pro-Unification candidates win landslide election in Northern Cyprus, leading to optimism.

Things must have changed a bit since I visited.

But that was 35 years ago.

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