Date: 15/03/2022 22:49:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1861006
Subject: Energy, bio- vs battery

I was thinking of wind-up toy trains vs battery powered toy trains.

Which got me thinking about energy generated by human or animal movement.
Compared to mechanical energy from electrical sources.

(I am not referring to electrical power generated by human movement, that’s an entirely different set of energy losses).
(I am also not referring to power, as in horse-power, only referring to energy)

Human or animal movement would include winding, hand cranking (eg. on a yacht), pedalling, pit ponies, marathon running.
Batteries would go from button cell to AA to cordless drill battery to non-mobile batteries.

How to they compare, in Joules?

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Date: 15/03/2022 22:51:12
From: party_pants
ID: 1861007
Subject: re: Energy, bio- vs battery

mollwollfumble said:


I was thinking of wind-up toy trains vs battery powered toy trains.

Which got me thinking about energy generated by human or animal movement.
Compared to mechanical energy from electrical sources.

(I am not referring to electrical power generated by human movement, that’s an entirely different set of energy losses).
(I am also not referring to power, as in horse-power, only referring to energy)

Human or animal movement would include winding, hand cranking (eg. on a yacht), pedalling, pit ponies, marathon running.
Batteries would go from button cell to AA to cordless drill battery to non-mobile batteries.

How to they compare, in Joules?

biological processes are always very inefficient.

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Date: 15/03/2022 22:57:36
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1861012
Subject: re: Energy, bio- vs battery

party_pants said:


mollwollfumble said:

I was thinking of wind-up toy trains vs battery powered toy trains.

Which got me thinking about energy generated by human or animal movement.
Compared to mechanical energy from electrical sources.

(I am not referring to electrical power generated by human movement, that’s an entirely different set of energy losses).
(I am also not referring to power, as in horse-power, only referring to energy)

Human or animal movement would include winding, hand cranking (eg. on a yacht), pedalling, pit ponies, marathon running.
Batteries would go from button cell to AA to cordless drill battery to non-mobile batteries.

How to they compare, in Joules?

biological processes are always very inefficient.

Bring back the treadmill!

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Date: 16/03/2022 10:33:37
From: Ogmog
ID: 1861151
Subject: re: Energy, bio- vs battery

Good Luck getting people to ever put on a mask again
…however…

Harvesting power from breathing

…after all…
‘It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good’.

How to Turn Your Body Into a Renewable Power Plant

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Date: 16/03/2022 19:15:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1861396
Subject: re: Energy, bio- vs battery

> Bring back the treadmill!

That’s what I’m sort of thinking. Pedal powered motorbikes.

> Good Luck getting people to ever put on a mask again

Good luck getting a mask that actually seals around the face.

I’ve been copying down battery power figures for a range of different batteries.
For people, it’s easy to find “efficiency loss” tabulated, but the power quoted doesn’t say whether it was measured before the efficiency loss or after, Grrrr.

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