Washington: The US Senate has unanimously approved a measure that could make daylight saving time permanent across the country next year.

The bipartisan bill, named the Sunshine Protection Act, would ensure Americans would no longer have to change their clocks twice a year. But the bill still needs approval from the House, and the signature of President Joe Biden, to become law.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-sunshine-less-depression-us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-20220316-p5a56a.html

“No more switching clocks, more daylight hours to spend outside after school and after work, and more smiles — that is what we get with permanent Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, the original cosponsor of the legislation, said in a statement.

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Regardless of how this bill is marketed, what will actually happen is that most states will shift to a different time zone and daylight saving time will be abolished.

dv said:

Washington: The US Senate has unanimously approved a measure that could make daylight saving time permanent across the country next year.

The bipartisan bill, named the Sunshine Protection Act, would ensure Americans would no longer have to change their clocks twice a year. But the bill still needs approval from the House, and the signature of President Joe Biden, to become law.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-sunshine-less-depression-us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-20220316-p5a56a.html

“No more switching clocks, more daylight hours to spend outside after school and after work, and more smiles — that is what we get with permanent Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, the original cosponsor of the legislation, said in a statement.

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Regardless of how this bill is marketed, what will actually happen is that most states will shift to a different time zone and daylight saving time will be abolished.

That comes across as a ‘Moll-like’ declaration.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Washington: The US Senate has unanimously approved a measure that could make daylight saving time permanent across the country next year.

The bipartisan bill, named the Sunshine Protection Act, would ensure Americans would no longer have to change their clocks twice a year. But the bill still needs approval from the House, and the signature of President Joe Biden, to become law.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-sunshine-less-depression-us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-20220316-p5a56a.html

“No more switching clocks, more daylight hours to spend outside after school and after work, and more smiles — that is what we get with permanent Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, the original cosponsor of the legislation, said in a statement.

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Regardless of how this bill is marketed, what will actually happen is that most states will shift to a different time zone and daylight saving time will be abolished.

That comes across as a ‘Moll-like’ declaration.

Explain…

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Washington: The US Senate has unanimously approved a measure that could make daylight saving time permanent across the country next year.

The bipartisan bill, named the Sunshine Protection Act, would ensure Americans would no longer have to change their clocks twice a year. But the bill still needs approval from the House, and the signature of President Joe Biden, to become law.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-sunshine-less-depression-us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-20220316-p5a56a.html

“No more switching clocks, more daylight hours to spend outside after school and after work, and more smiles — that is what we get with permanent Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, the original cosponsor of the legislation, said in a statement.

—-

Regardless of how this bill is marketed, what will actually happen is that most states will shift to a different time zone and daylight saving time will be abolished.

That comes across as a ‘Moll-like’ declaration.

Explain…

Well usually I would expect a reference for your contention which you surely have.

dv said:

Washington: The US Senate has unanimously approved a measure that could make daylight saving time permanent across the country next year.

The bipartisan bill, named the Sunshine Protection Act, would ensure Americans would no longer have to change their clocks twice a year. But the bill still needs approval from the House, and the signature of President Joe Biden, to become law.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-sunshine-less-depression-us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-20220316-p5a56a.html

“No more switching clocks, more daylight hours to spend outside after school and after work, and more smiles — that is what we get with permanent Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, the original cosponsor of the legislation, said in a statement.

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Regardless of how this bill is marketed, what will actually happen is that most states will shift to a different time zone and daylight saving time will be abolished.

Well within increased reliance on solar power it makes sense to protect our sunshine any way we can.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

That comes across as a ‘Moll-like’ declaration.

Explain…

Well usually I would expect a reference for your contention which you surely have.

I’m afraid this is more of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” kind of deal.

But I suppose I could drum up some kind of support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
Daylight saving time (DST), also known as daylight savings time or daylight time (United States, Canada, and Australia), and summer time (United Kingdom, European Union, and some other countries), is the practice of advancing clocks (typically by one hour) during warmer months so that darkness falls at a later clock time.

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Under the new system, the US will no longer be doing that. They are giving up Daylight saving.

They will also be changing their time zones by 1 hour. This will mostly cast them further adrift of mean solar time but there are plenty of countries that have chosen time zones that are in advance of the solar time: Argentina, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan. To describe them as having “Permanent Daylight Saving” would be a nonsense.

dv said:

I’m afraid this is more of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” kind of deal.

But I suppose I could drum up some kind of support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
Daylight saving time (DST), also known as daylight savings time or daylight time (United States, Canada, and Australia), and summer time (United Kingdom, European Union, and some other countries), is the practice of advancing clocks (typically by one hour) during warmer months so that darkness falls at a later clock time.

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Under the new system, the US will no longer be doing that. They are giving up Daylight saving.

They will also be changing their time zones by 1 hour. This will mostly cast them further adrift of mean solar time but there are plenty of countries that have chosen time zones that are in advance of the solar time: Argentina, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan. To describe them as having “Permanent Daylight Saving” would be a nonsense.

So what they are doing is in fact none of the above, and instead they are retaining DST while at the same time implementing a seasonal time zone change which involves advancing clocks (typically by one hour) during cooler months.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Washington: The US Senate has unanimously approved a measure that could make daylight saving time permanent across the country next year.

The bipartisan bill, named the Sunshine Protection Act, would ensure Americans would no longer have to change their clocks twice a year. But the bill still needs approval from the House, and the signature of President Joe Biden, to become law.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/more-sunshine-less-depression-us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-permanent-20220316-p5a56a.html

“No more switching clocks, more daylight hours to spend outside after school and after work, and more smiles — that is what we get with permanent Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, the original cosponsor of the legislation, said in a statement.

—-

Regardless of how this bill is marketed, what will actually happen is that most states will shift to a different time zone and daylight saving time will be abolished.

Well within increased reliance on solar power it makes sense to protect our sunshine any way we can.

Exactly, and they are not only talking about protecting it but saving it

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Explain…

Well usually I would expect a reference for your contention which you surely have.

I’m afraid this is more of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” kind of deal.

But I suppose I could drum up some kind of support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
Daylight saving time (DST), also known as daylight savings time or daylight time (United States, Canada, and Australia), and summer time (United Kingdom, European Union, and some other countries), is the practice of advancing clocks (typically by one hour) during warmer months so that darkness falls at a later clock time.

—-

Under the new system, the US will no longer be doing that. They are giving up Daylight saving.

They will also be changing their time zones by 1 hour. This will mostly cast them further adrift of mean solar time but there are plenty of countries that have chosen time zones that are in advance of the solar time: Argentina, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan. To describe them as having “Permanent Daylight Saving” would be a nonsense.

Ahh righto. I thought you were suggesting that recalcitrant states would negate the measure by shifting back to real time. I see now you were more commenting on the existential question of does daylight savings actually exist with no clock changing.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’m afraid this is more of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” kind of deal.

But I suppose I could drum up some kind of support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
Daylight saving time (DST), also known as daylight savings time or daylight time (United States, Canada, and Australia), and summer time (United Kingdom, European Union, and some other countries), is the practice of advancing clocks (typically by one hour) during warmer months so that darkness falls at a later clock time.

—-

Under the new system, the US will no longer be doing that. They are giving up Daylight saving.

They will also be changing their time zones by 1 hour. This will mostly cast them further adrift of mean solar time but there are plenty of countries that have chosen time zones that are in advance of the solar time: Argentina, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan. To describe them as having “Permanent Daylight Saving” would be a nonsense.

So what they are doing is in fact none of the above, and instead they are retaining DST while at the same time implementing a seasonal time zone change which involves advancing clocks (typically by one hour) during cooler months.

Tell him what we do with trouble makers

This has made me wonder which places have a “standard time” that is farthest removed from mean solar.

China, despite covering several hours of longitude, uses a uniform time zone of UTC+8. The Western-most part of the country in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region is 3.1 hours ahead of solar time. Typical sunrise times in spring and autumn are around 9 am, whereas in winter the sunrise can be as late as 10:15 am. Kind of thing you can get away with when you’re a one-party state with no concern for regional minorities I guess. I think this might be the winner.

Argentina is on UTC-3 which is quite advanced of its geography. The westernmost parts of the country are 1.9 hours ahead of solar.

The westernmost point in Canada’s Northwest Territories is 2.1 hours ahead of solar.

Malaysia in UTC+8 is quite advanced of its solar time, and the westernmost part is about 1.4 ahead.

Iceland for some reason uses UTC+0 (ie GMT) despite being halfway across the Atlantic and its westernmost point is 1.6 hours ahead of solar.

Spain uses UTC+1 and its western parts are 1.6 hours ahead of solar.

The Western Aleutian islands in Alaska, USA, are on UTC-10, which is ahead of solar. The westernmost island would be Attu, 2.5 hours ahead of solar. The main part of Alaska is on UTC-9 but that’s still ahead of solar. Hall island and St Lawrence Islands would appear to be the most out of wack in that zone, also about 2.5 hours ahead of solar.

Algeria’s ahead of solar in its western margin in particular is 1.6 hours ahead of solar.

Russia experimented with shifting its timezones an hour about 10 years ago but went back to normal in 2014. Sudan also had an advanced time but went back to something closer to solar in 2017.

On the whole there is definitely a trend worldwide to be ahead. There are some places that are pretty much in the right zone. Australia (except for SA/NT), Indonesia, Philippines, PNG and NZ kind of. Eastern China basically has the right zone. Can’t complain about Korea or Japan. India, Iran, Brazil, honestly most of Africa and South America can say the same. About half of the states of the USA are currently in a zone that is appropriate for their solar time.

There aren’t many places that are way behind their solar time. Greenland, being near the pole, has a big longitude range and some of its eastern margins are a couple of hours behind solar but those are in uninhabited areas. Apart from that, the easternmost points of India, Turkey, China are about an hour behind but that’s not too bad.

I do wonder why nation’s persist with these astronomical fictions, though. I mean if the USA wants to go an hour ahead … fine, whatever … but effectively all that will happen is that people will be doing everything an hour earlier. People who currently get up at 1500 UTC will now be getting up at 1400 UTC, they’ll be lunching at 1900 UTC instead of 2000 UTC etc. … why not just normalise doing those things an hour earlier than currently so you don’t have to mess with the clocks?

Witty Rejoinder said:

That comes across as a ‘Moll-like’ declaration.

Wow, fame in my own lifetime.