Date: 24/03/2022 19:33:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864499
Subject: James Webb

Missed this, somehow, 17 Mar 2022. Apod missed this too.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/james-webb-telescope-first-images/

First images from James Webb exceed all expectations “Better than our most optimistic prediction”

Images of a nondescript star within our own galaxy reveal the James Webb telescope’s deep-field capabilities.

When you look at a bight nearby star, you don’t expect to see galaxies in the background because the contrast range is enormous.

“There’s no way that Webb can look for 2,000 seconds at any point in the sky, and not get an incredibly deep field”

Ewetube video showing progress in alignment up until now. https://youtu.be/MiGx8xv6xjE

https://youtu.be/5ZSwmjFddwg

This is the first time we’ve been able to capture most of these distant galaxies on film. Best image before and after the start of James Webb

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Date: 24/03/2022 19:34:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1864501
Subject: re: James Webb

Go, Jimmy!

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Date: 24/03/2022 19:45:13
From: Kingy
ID: 1864505
Subject: re: James Webb

mollwollfumble said:

This is the first time we’ve been able to capture most of these distant galaxies on film. Best image before and after the start of James Webb

Is that Hubble vs James Webb?

If so, wow!

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Date: 24/03/2022 19:57:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1864507
Subject: re: James Webb

I didn’t miss that.

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Date: 24/03/2022 20:18:26
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1864512
Subject: re: James Webb

Kingy said:


mollwollfumble said:

This is the first time we’ve been able to capture most of these distant galaxies on film. Best image before and after the start of James Webb

Is that Hubble vs James Webb?

If so, wow!

amazing that they still use film.

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Date: 24/03/2022 20:23:27
From: Ian
ID: 1864515
Subject: re: James Webb

mollwollfumble said:


Missed this, somehow, 17 Mar 2022. Apod missed this too.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/james-webb-telescope-first-images/

First images from James Webb exceed all expectations “Better than our most optimistic prediction”

Images of a nondescript star within our own galaxy reveal the James Webb telescope’s deep-field capabilities.

When you look at a bight nearby star, you don’t expect to see galaxies in the background because the contrast range is enormous.

“There’s no way that Webb can look for 2,000 seconds at any point in the sky, and not get an incredibly deep field”

Ewetube video showing progress in alignment up until now. https://youtu.be/MiGx8xv6xjE

https://youtu.be/5ZSwmjFddwg

This is the first time we’ve been able to capture most of these distant galaxies on film. Best image before and after the start of James Webb


Wow! Amazing.

I always had total confidence in NASA’s ability to pull this off despite the incredible complexity involved.

.

Should bin the starburst filter though.

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Date: 24/03/2022 20:48:03
From: buffy
ID: 1864526
Subject: re: James Webb

sarahs mum said:


I didn’t miss that.

I also saw the red “star” somewhere. Perhaps it was on the ABC news site and not here.

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Date: 24/03/2022 20:55:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1864530
Subject: re: James Webb

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

I didn’t miss that.

I also saw the red “star” somewhere. Perhaps it was on the ABC news site and not here.

I’ve been following Dr Becky, your friendly neighbourhood astrophysicist, on youtube.

LIVE | The James Webb Space Telescope mirrors are aligned!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nOX66G5q9E

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Date: 24/03/2022 22:34:31
From: Dark Orange
ID: 1864565
Subject: re: James Webb

Ian said:


mollwollfumble said:

Missed this, somehow, 17 Mar 2022. Apod missed this too.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/james-webb-telescope-first-images/

First images from James Webb exceed all expectations “Better than our most optimistic prediction”

Images of a nondescript star within our own galaxy reveal the James Webb telescope’s deep-field capabilities.

When you look at a bight nearby star, you don’t expect to see galaxies in the background because the contrast range is enormous.

“There’s no way that Webb can look for 2,000 seconds at any point in the sky, and not get an incredibly deep field”

Ewetube video showing progress in alignment up until now. https://youtu.be/MiGx8xv6xjE

https://youtu.be/5ZSwmjFddwg

This is the first time we’ve been able to capture most of these distant galaxies on film. Best image before and after the start of James Webb


Wow! Amazing.

I always had total confidence in NASA’s ability to pull this off despite the incredible complexity involved.

.

Should bin the starburst filter though.

Makes it all arty ‘n shit.

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Date: 24/03/2022 23:02:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864594
Subject: re: James Webb

sarahs mum said:


I didn’t miss that.

Good.

> amazing that they still use film.

Until recently, they still did. Astronomers still used film after everyone else had given up on it.

> Is that Hubble?

I don’t know, The second ewetube may say but I don’t have sound to hear their comments.
For narrow field views like this, sometimes the VLT is better than Hubble. Or perhaps even Keck.
Currently, Hubble still reigns supreme for stunning wide-field such as the Milky Way’s nebulas, and for the outer solar system planets.

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Date: 24/03/2022 23:20:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864611
Subject: re: James Webb

The JWST has a 3-year observing plan. Inside that observing plan, 16% of time is allocated to GTO, guaranteed time observations, and the remaining 84% to GO, general observations.

GTOs for the first year include observing everything on this web page https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution/approved-programs/cycle-1-gto

Picking a few guaranteed time observations for the first year:

Observation of ultracool brown dwarfs
Metallicity of galaxies
Scattering of light from debris disks
Re-running deep field studies including the GOODS south and north fields, and Hubble ultradeep
Transiting and non-transiting exoplanets
High redshift quasars
Earliest galaxies
Protostars and protostellar disks
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Titan, Kuyper belt, Europa, Enceladus, asteroids and comets, and Mars
Targetted galaxies

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Date: 25/03/2022 09:20:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1864753
Subject: re: James Webb

What are you looking at, Jimmy?

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Date: 25/03/2022 11:33:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864808
Subject: re: James Webb

mollwollfumble said:


The JWST has a 3-year observing plan. Inside that observing plan, 16% of time is allocated to GTO, guaranteed time observations, and the remaining 84% to GO, general observations.

GTOs for the first year include observing everything on this web page https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution/approved-programs/cycle-1-gto

Picking a few guaranteed time observations for the first year:

Observation of ultracool brown dwarfs
Metallicity of galaxies
Scattering of light from debris disks
Re-running deep field studies including the GOODS south and north fields, and Hubble ultradeep
Transiting and non-transiting exoplanets
High redshift quasars
Earliest galaxies
Protostars and protostellar disks
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Titan, Kuyper belt, Europa, Enceladus, asteroids and comets, and Mars
Targetted galaxies

None of those are where I’d start.

I’d start with celestial objects that are changing rapidly.
First SN1987a – the supernova in the Large Magellanic Cloud.
Then other nearby supernovae and planetary nebulas.

Then I’d jump to proxima centauri – can we see those planets?
And alpha centauri – does it have planets?

> get rid of the spikes on stars

IIRC, the James Web is able to do that. It’s fitted with a caronagraph to occult a star directly in the line of sight to see fainter objects that would otherwise be hidden by the star’s light.

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Date: 25/03/2022 11:37:39
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864809
Subject: re: James Webb

mollwollfumble said:


The JWST has a 3-year observing plan. Inside that observing plan, 16% of time is allocated to GTO, guaranteed time observations, and the remaining 84% to GO, general observations.

GTOs for the first year include observing everything on this web page https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution/approved-programs/cycle-1-gto

Picking a few guaranteed time observations for the first year:

Observation of ultracool brown dwarfs
Metallicity of galaxies
Scattering of light from debris disks
Re-running deep field studies including the GOODS south and north fields, and Hubble ultradeep
Transiting and non-transiting exoplanets
High redshift quasars
Earliest galaxies
Protostars and protostellar disks
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Titan, Kuyper belt, Europa, Enceladus, asteroids and comets, and Mars
Targetted galaxies

None of those are where I’d start.

I’d start with celestial objects that are changing rapidly.
First SN1987a – the supernova in the Large Magellanic Cloud.
Then other nearby supernovae and planetary nebulas.

Then I’d jump to proxima centauri – can we see those planets?
And alpha centauri – does it have planets?

> get rid of the spikes on stars

IIRC, the James Web is able to do that. It’s fitted with a caronagraph to occult a star directly in the line of sight to see fainter objects that would otherwise be hidden by the star’s light.

> What are you looking at, Jimmy?

A deliberately boring star in the Henry Draper catalogue called HD 84406
Chosen because it’s a long way from other stars as seen from Earth.

HD 84406, is a star approximately 258.5 light-years away in the constellation of Ursa Major. The star is a spectral type G star and has a high proper motion. On 4 February 2022, HD 84406 was the first star viewed by the James Webb Space Telescope.

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Date: 25/03/2022 14:21:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864935
Subject: re: James Webb

Got it! Gaia Observatory Snaps Photo of James Webb Space Telescope at L2


Gaia’s sky mapper image showing the James Webb Space Telescope.

Both spacecraft are located in orbits around the Lagrange point L2, 1.5 million km from Earth in the direction away from the Sun. Gaia arrived there in 2014, and Webb in January 2022.

On February 18, 2022, the two spacecraft were 1 million km apart, with an edge-on view of Gaia towards Webb’s huge sunshield. Very little reflected sunlight came Gaia’s way, and Webb therefore appears as a tiny, faint spec of light in Gaia’s two telescopes without any details visible.
Sky mapper

A few weeks before Webb’s arrival at L2, Gaia experts realized that during Gaia’s continuous scanning of the entire sky, its new neighbor at L2 should occasionally cross Gaia’s fields of view. Gaia is not designed to take real pictures of celestial objects. Instead, it collects very precise measurements of their positions, motions, distances, and colors. However, one part of the instruments on board takes a sort of sky images. It is the ‘finder scope’ of Gaia, also called the sky mapper.

Gaia orbits L2 in a Lissajous orbit. The James Webb Space Telescope orbits L2 in a halo orbit. The telescopes are between 400,000 and 1,100,000 km apart, depending on where they are in their respective orbits. This image shows the relative sizes and locations of the Gaia orbit (yellow) and the Webb orbit (white). In this view, Earth is located to the left, not far outside of the frame. Gaia’s Lissajous loops have L2 right in their center, while Webb’s halo orbit loops are closer to Earth by about 100,000 km on average. Credit: ESA/Gaia/DPAC; CC BY-SA 3.0 IGO

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Date: 25/03/2022 14:29:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1864941
Subject: re: James Webb

mollwollfumble said:


Got it! Gaia Observatory Snaps Photo of James Webb Space Telescope at L2


Gaia’s sky mapper image showing the James Webb Space Telescope.

Both spacecraft are located in orbits around the Lagrange point L2, 1.5 million km from Earth in the direction away from the Sun. Gaia arrived there in 2014, and Webb in January 2022.

On February 18, 2022, the two spacecraft were 1 million km apart, with an edge-on view of Gaia towards Webb’s huge sunshield. Very little reflected sunlight came Gaia’s way, and Webb therefore appears as a tiny, faint spec of light in Gaia’s two telescopes without any details visible.
Sky mapper

A few weeks before Webb’s arrival at L2, Gaia experts realized that during Gaia’s continuous scanning of the entire sky, its new neighbor at L2 should occasionally cross Gaia’s fields of view. Gaia is not designed to take real pictures of celestial objects. Instead, it collects very precise measurements of their positions, motions, distances, and colors. However, one part of the instruments on board takes a sort of sky images. It is the ‘finder scope’ of Gaia, also called the sky mapper.

Gaia orbits L2 in a Lissajous orbit. The James Webb Space Telescope orbits L2 in a halo orbit. The telescopes are between 400,000 and 1,100,000 km apart, depending on where they are in their respective orbits. This image shows the relative sizes and locations of the Gaia orbit (yellow) and the Webb orbit (white). In this view, Earth is located to the left, not far outside of the frame. Gaia’s Lissajous loops have L2 right in their center, while Webb’s halo orbit loops are closer to Earth by about 100,000 km on average. Credit: ESA/Gaia/DPAC; CC BY-SA 3.0 IGO


https://scitechdaily.com/webb-space-telescope-begins-multi-instrument-alignment/

After meeting the major milestone of aligning the telescope to NIRCam, the Webb team is starting to extend the telescope alignment to the guider (the Fine Guidance Sensor, or FGS) and the other three science instruments. This six-week-long process is called multi-instrument multi-field (MIMF) alignment. After MIMF, Webb’s telescope will provide a good focus and sharp images in all the instruments. In addition, we need to precisely know the relative positions of all the fields of view.

You might be wondering: If all of the instruments can see the sky at the same time, can we use them simultaneously? The answer is yes! With parallel science exposures, when we point one instrument at a target, we can read out another instrument at the same time. The parallel observations don’t see the same point in the sky, so they provide what is essentially a random sample of the universe. With a lot of parallel data, scientists can determine the statistical properties of the galaxies that are detected. In addition, for programs that want to map a large area, much of the parallel images will overlap, increasing the efficiency of the valuable Webb dataset.

Comparing fields of view and relative direction. Webb’s guider (FGS) and four science instruments (NIRCam, NIRSpec, NIRISS, and MIRI) share the field of view of the Webb telescope optics, but they actually see different parts of the sky at any given observation.

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Date: 11/04/2022 20:21:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1871662
Subject: re: James Webb

mollwollfumble said:

https://scitechdaily.com/webb-space-telescope-begins-multi-instrument-alignment/

After meeting the major milestone of aligning the telescope to NIRCam, the Webb team is starting to extend the telescope alignment to the guider (the Fine Guidance Sensor, or FGS) and the other three science instruments. This six-week-long process is called multi-instrument multi-field (MIMF) alignment. After MIMF, Webb’s telescope will provide a good focus and sharp images in all the instruments. In addition, we need to precisely know the relative positions of all the fields of view.

You might be wondering: If all of the instruments can see the sky at the same time, can we use them simultaneously? The answer is yes! With parallel science exposures, when we point one instrument at a target, we can read out another instrument at the same time. The parallel observations don’t see the same point in the sky, so they provide what is essentially a random sample of the universe. With a lot of parallel data, scientists can determine the statistical properties of the galaxies that are detected. In addition, for programs that want to map a large area, much of the parallel images will overlap, increasing the efficiency of the valuable Webb dataset.

Comparing fields of view and relative direction. Webb’s guider (FGS) and four science instruments (NIRCam, NIRSpec, NIRISS, and MIRI) share the field of view of the Webb telescope optics, but they actually see different parts of the sky at any given observation.


How did I miss this? I knew that Webb was more a replacement for Spitzer than for Hubble.

“many of the telescope’s instruments will be able to cool passively to between 34 and 39 kelvin”. That I knew.

“one device on JWST – the Mid-Infrared Instrument or MIRI – needs to be at 7 Kelvin before it can do its job, collecting data in the mid-infrared range.”
That I didn’t know. That’s cold.

Let’s recheck specs for observation wavelength range.
Hubble is 0.1 to 2.5 microns.
Spitzer in IR was 3 to 160 microns. Spitzer initially operated at 5.5 Kelvin, but after coolant ran out operated at 29 Kelvin.
Herschel was 60 to 670 microns. Herschel operated at 70 to 90 Kelvin.
Wise was 3.4 to 22 microns. Wise operated at 17 Kelvin, but after coolant ran out operated at 75 Kelvin.

Webb is 0.6 to 28 microns. So 7 Kelvin does make sense, although that’s cooler than I would have expected.

I can see now why images from Herschel weren’t up to the standard of Spitzer. It simply wasn’t cold enough.

You can see here that MIRI has made it to 7 Kelvin.

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