“Quarantine for close contacts of COVID-19 cases could be removed altogether, if a recommendation by Australia’s top public health officers is adopted by state and territory governments.

A statement released by the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) last night says quarantine could be replaced with other risk mitigation measures for close contacts once the peak of the current wave of the BA.2 Omicron sub-variant is over.

Key points:

• The national cabinet asked the national public health committee to look at how COVID-19 quarantine could be removed
• The committee says it could be removed if risk mitigation procedures are followed by close contacts
• SA’s Chief Public Health Officer has called for a nationwide approach”

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/ahppc-recommends-removing-covid19-quarantine-for-close-contacts/100958182

Is there a diff between “quarantine” and “self-isolation”?

Woodie said:

Is there a diff between “quarantine” and “self-isolation”?

I don’t think so.

Woodie said:

Is there a diff between “quarantine” and “self-isolation”?

They way they are spelt and sound

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Is there a diff between “quarantine” and “self-isolation”?

I don’t think so.

¿ one’s socially responsible and one’s libertarian individually responsible ?

ABC News:

‘Tom Tate’s spiritual adviser says Mayor supported vision of Gold Coast as ‘kingdom of God’
ABC Gold Coast
/ By Sally Rope, Matt Webber, and Dominic Cansdale
Evangelical pastor Sue Baynes says that in a meeting prior to his election, Mayor Tom Tate supported an idea to “transform” the Gold Coast to make it look like “the kingdom of God”.’

Shit, eh?

I wonder what happened along the road to the fruition of that idea?

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Tom Tate’s spiritual adviser says Mayor supported vision of Gold Coast as ‘kingdom of God’
ABC Gold Coast
/ By Sally Rope, Matt Webber, and Dominic Cansdale
Evangelical pastor Sue Baynes says that in a meeting prior to his election, Mayor Tom Tate supported an idea to “transform” the Gold Coast to make it look like “the kingdom of God”.’

Shit, eh?

I wonder what happened along the road to the fruition of that idea?

Head injury or drugs

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Tom Tate’s spiritual adviser says Mayor supported vision of Gold Coast as ‘kingdom of God’
ABC Gold Coast
/ By Sally Rope, Matt Webber, and Dominic Cansdale
Evangelical pastor Sue Baynes says that in a meeting prior to his election, Mayor Tom Tate supported an idea to “transform” the Gold Coast to make it look like “the kingdom of God”.’

Shit, eh?

I wonder what happened along the road to the fruition of that idea?

They’ll probably at least erect a Big God somewhere, with accompanying fast food restaurant.

Bubblecar said:

They’ll probably at least erect a Big God somewhere, with accompanying fast food restaurant.

What, like Ulladulla’s ‘Big Linda’, made famous in ‘The South Coast News’?

“NSW’s COVID-19 death toll rises by 331 after medical cross-checks.

The data shows 82 per cent, or about 270 people, of the additional deaths, occurred from January this year during the peak of the first Omicron wave. “

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So, an extra three deaths per day than they’ve been telling us…
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/nsw-covid-19-deaths-increase-death-certificate-checks/100959398

Michael V said:

“NSW’s COVID-19 death toll rises by 331 after medical cross-checks.

The data shows 82 per cent, or about 270 people, of the additional deaths, occurred from January this year during the peak of the first Omicron wave. “

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So, an extra three deaths per day than they’ve been telling us…
————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/nsw-covid-19-deaths-increase-death-certificate-checks/100959398

yeah but what’s that in Rookwood Cemeteries or more seriously, relative to the previously reported number

not sayin’ we don’t like a good meal and all but

Freedom Comes With Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/father-complains-canberra-hospital-staff-failed-to-feed-daughter/100958074

The Canberra Liberals say the ACT government has serious questions to answer about resourcing at Canberra Hospital after a number of patients, including a one-year-old, were not fed their evening meals.

“Next time we’re going to have to go into the private system … and if we have to pay for it… I don’t care how much overtime I have to do, I will provide the right type of care for my family.”

Unbelievably, The Unstoppable CHINA Bioweapon Is Easily Stopped

A small primary school in Brisbane’s west has done what many others have been unable to achieve during COVID-19’s Omicron wave in Queensland: remain outbreak-free. And it’s all a result of a group of dads at the Brisbane Independent School in Pullenvale getting together with the principal and using science and engineering knowledge to prevent SARS-CoV-2 — the virus that causes COVID-19 — spreading through classrooms. Using a smoke machine, they studied airflow patterns in the school’s five classrooms and administration areas. Carbon dioxide meters were also used to identify low-ventilation areas or “dead spots”. They then purchased air purifiers — known as high-efficiency particulate absorbing (HEPA) filters — to mitigate the risk from SARS-CoV-2 particles that might be circulating in classrooms and other indoor areas of the school.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/brisbane-school-no-covid-omicron-outbreaks-term-1/100956850

Sorry that’s not acceptable, we think monitoring CO2 levels is an infringement on our rights to avoid surveillance, and air purifiers cause infrasound disease worse than wind farms¡¡¡

SCIENCE said:

Unbelievably, The Unstoppable CHINA Bioweapon Is Easily Stopped

A small primary school in Brisbane’s west has done what many others have been unable to achieve during COVID-19’s Omicron wave in Queensland: remain outbreak-free. And it’s all a result of a group of dads at the Brisbane Independent School in Pullenvale getting together with the principal and using science and engineering knowledge to prevent SARS-CoV-2 — the virus that causes COVID-19 — spreading through classrooms. Using a smoke machine, they studied airflow patterns in the school’s five classrooms and administration areas. Carbon dioxide meters were also used to identify low-ventilation areas or “dead spots”. They then purchased air purifiers — known as high-efficiency particulate absorbing (HEPA) filters — to mitigate the risk from SARS-CoV-2 particles that might be circulating in classrooms and other indoor areas of the school.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/brisbane-school-no-covid-omicron-outbreaks-term-1/100956850

Sorry that’s not acceptable, we think monitoring CO2 levels is an infringement on our rights to avoid surveillance, and air purifiers cause infrasound disease worse than wind farms¡¡¡

ahahahahahahahaha oh fuck it makes sense

they actually want to siphon money to purveyors of useless shit and keep the virus spreading

SCIENCE said:

they actually want to siphon money to purveyors of useless shit and keep the virus spreading

well at least here’s one good new

apparently NSW school ventilation audits were faked

https://covid-nsw.akg-data.com/fake_audits.html

also appropriate image despite being interstate

Turns Out It’s True, COVID-19 Anxiety Is All In The Brain

SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induces cognitive deficit and anxiety-like behavior in mouse via non-cell autonomous hippocampal neuronal death

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09410-7

From a so-called “expert” so probably terrible advice.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o810

We all know that covid-19 is on the rise again. In general practice our inboxes are full of positive results, and these represent only a small number of our infected patients now that many struggle to get hold of tests (or see no point in doing one). The number of covid patients in our local hospital is rising too, although it can be hard to know the percentage of admissions “with” or “from” coronavirus infection. When there are respiratory symptoms this may be clear cut, but it’s not possible to know what role the virus may have played when patients are admitted with a fall or acute confusion.

We may be waiting for a long time before a technical breakthrough renders covid-19 harmless. In the meantime, please can we do the things that we know will reduce the burden of infection: increase vaccine coverage to include children, wear high quality masks indoors, and clean up the air we breathe.2

SCIENCE said:

Turns Out It’s True, COVID-19 Anxiety Is All In The Brain

SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induces cognitive deficit and anxiety-like behavior in mouse via non-cell autonomous hippocampal neuronal death

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09410-7

reckon it’ll turn out the endemicists deployed the stupid to release a virus that causes brain damage

the rot started in australia when the dickheads used vaccines as a vote to release the virus

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Turns Out It’s True, COVID-19 Anxiety Is All In The Brain

SARS-CoV-2 spike protein induces cognitive deficit and anxiety-like behavior in mouse via non-cell autonomous hippocampal neuronal death

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09410-7

reckon it’ll turn out the endemicists deployed the stupid to release a virus that causes brain damage

the rot started in australia when the dickheads used vaccines as a vote to release the virus

if the sentiment wasn’t clear enough, let me say it covid pandemicist dickheads

Spoiler Alert

Context: David Steadson may have had COVID-19 enough times to impair his sense of irony slash humour slash sarcasm.

this may leave some people breathless

Please explain.

SCIENCE said:

well at least here’s one good new

> A small primary school in Brisbane’s west has done what many others have been unable to achieve during COVID-19’s Omicron wave in Queensland: remain outbreak-free. And it’s all a result of a group of dads at the Brisbane Independent School in Pullenvale getting together with the principal and using science and engineering knowledge to prevent SARS-CoV-2 — the virus that causes COVID-19 — spreading through classrooms. Using a smoke machine, they studied airflow patterns in the school’s five classrooms and administration areas. Carbon dioxide meters were also used to identify low-ventilation areas or “dead spots”. They then purchased air purifiers — known as high-efficiency particulate absorbing (HEPA) filters — to mitigate the risk from SARS-CoV-2 particles that might be circulating in classrooms and other indoor areas of the school.

I wish I’d thought of that. I actually did an airflow study in some large stores, including Aldi, Woolworths, Officeworks and Spotlight and found that because of the ventilation there were no dead spots. So I forgot about it.

School was not in at the time I did that, so it never occurred to me to check airflow in schools.

EVERY school should do that by law.

——

Let’s have a quick look worldwide at deaths from Covid. Actually this is looking really really good. Apart from Barbados where the population is too small to get reliable statistics and Hong Kong (which I’ll look into) every country in the world is below 10, and we haven’t seen that for many months.

Another plus is that Hungary is way down this month. Ditto the Baltic States, which were reading high last time I reported.

Worst off countries are those that previously were nowhere near near the top of the list: South Korea, Greece, Finland, Bolivia, Norway.

Let’s look at some of these. Low death rates all, good. Annoyingly, all but South Korea show a sudden rise upward yesterday, more sudden if it wasn’t 7 day smoothed.

Hong Kong and South Korea.

Cases worldwide. Don’t be complacent about mask wearing in Australia.

Australia cases.

quote=SCIENCE

well at least here’s one good new

/quote

I don’t quite get it.

Are you saying that Covid vaccines are effective against flu?

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

well at least here’s one good new

I don’t quite get it.

Are you saying that Covid vaccines are effective against flu?

no

8^)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29440-z

Neurological manifestations are a significant complication of coronavirus disease (COVID-19), but underlying mechanisms aren’t well understood. The development of animal models that recapitulate the neuropathological findings of autopsied brain tissue from patients who died from severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection are critical for elucidating the neuropathogenesis of infection and disease. Here, we show neuroinflammation, microhemorrhages, brain hypoxia, and neuropathology that is consistent with hypoxic-ischemic injury in SARS-CoV-2 infected non-human primates (NHPs), including evidence of neuron degeneration and apoptosis. Importantly, this is seen among infected animals that do not develop severe respiratory disease, which may provide insight into neurological symptoms associated with “long COVID”. Sparse virus is detected in brain endothelial cells but does not associate with the severity of central nervous system (CNS) injury. We anticipate our findings will advance our current understanding of the neuropathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection and demonstrate SARS-CoV-2 infected NHPs are a highly relevant animal model for investigating COVID-19 neuropathogenesis among human subjects.

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

SCIENCE said:

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

Why do you use the words “lose some of their privilege”?

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

Why do you use the words “lose some of their privilege”?

because they haven’t lost all of their privilege, they retain enough to still have a voice for example

In the wake of a pandemic, something has become clear to us at the ABC. Young people are feeling a gaping hole after their ability to connect, explore the world and learn who they are has been taken away from them.

¿ are they now completely unable to connect, explore, learn ?

oh wait, they aren’t

rather than painting a picture of destitution and despair, he shows us that human connection and the joy of caring for those around you (whatever that looks like) can help heal loneliness

ability to articulate what is firmly seen as a taboo, dirty or immoral issue, even

imagine being able to travel for a year for adventure not worrying about war or poverty or other suffering

The pandemic affected everyone’s travel plans, so this story was relevant to many of us. But it was the unique loss of that special gap year or that long summer backpacking break that had so many young people yearning for an adventure stolen from them last year.

imagine being able to casually go out and see favourite bands, and potentially complain about having access to them by electronic means

Abbey Wiltshire is passionate about music. But when the pandemic hit and everyone headed indoors, the excitement and anticipation of seeing her favourite bands were taken away from her. Australians have felt this loss, only to discover there is an alternative of sorts in TIkTok. While it can’t replace the sweaty joy of a live gig,

imagine being able to date and navigate love, sex in your own cultural identity

dating during a pandemic was both complicated and rewarding. But for a younger generation, navigating love, sex and dating can be very confusing. Lauren gives us a taste of what she went through, how her friend navigated dating with her own cultural identity

Disclaimer: we’re all for negating the concept of privilege, by giving the same benefits to a greater number of people, as opposed to removing benefits, but hey.

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

Why do you use the words “lose some of their privilege”?

because they haven’t lost all of their privilege, they retain enough to still have a voice for example

In the wake of a pandemic, something has become clear to us at the ABC. Young people are feeling a gaping hole after their ability to connect, explore the world and learn who they are has been taken away from them.

¿ are they now completely unable to connect, explore, learn ?

oh wait, they aren’t

rather than painting a picture of destitution and despair, he shows us that human connection and the joy of caring for those around you (whatever that looks like) can help heal loneliness

ability to articulate what is firmly seen as a taboo, dirty or immoral issue, even

imagine being able to travel for a year for adventure not worrying about war or poverty or other suffering

The pandemic affected everyone’s travel plans, so this story was relevant to many of us. But it was the unique loss of that special gap year or that long summer backpacking break that had so many young people yearning for an adventure stolen from them last year.

imagine being able to casually go out and see favourite bands, and potentially complain about having access to them by electronic means

Abbey Wiltshire is passionate about music. But when the pandemic hit and everyone headed indoors, the excitement and anticipation of seeing her favourite bands were taken away from her. Australians have felt this loss, only to discover there is an alternative of sorts in TIkTok. While it can’t replace the sweaty joy of a live gig,

imagine being able to date and navigate love, sex in your own cultural identity

dating during a pandemic was both complicated and rewarding. But for a younger generation, navigating love, sex and dating can be very confusing. Lauren gives us a taste of what she went through, how her friend navigated dating with her own cultural identity

Disclaimer: we’re all for negating the concept of privilege, by giving the same benefits to a greater number of people, as opposed to removing benefits, but hey.

Well I’m glad you are.

SCIENCE said:

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

roll it back, it’s probably worth the effort to look for and consider the social constructionist view of reality that maybe permeates the ABC, and in a not entirely different way the commercial networks

a lot of the ABC stories seem to be about proving some social constructionist view to be true, to be the way, and frankly they make your average family pet appear like geniuses on the subject of common instincts across species

i’m not exactly sure what happens, perhaps the sociology texts haven’t really improves over the last three decades

what seems to be the case is you could read and watch the ABC for a long time and remain obliviously instinct-blind, fortunately common human pets generally have little interest in reading or watching the ABC, so there’s still comfort there if you have a pet

if you don’t have a pet and substitute with TV, that TV is your pet, you may be inclined to never wonder why and how that substitution is made to work

you wouldn’t learn from the ABC what a cascade of failures the policy of wild covid has been, not a few casualties to-date, and plenty more yet, largely a global failure

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

roll it back, it’s probably worth the effort to look for and consider the social constructionist view of reality that maybe permeates the ABC, and in a not entirely different way the commercial networks

a lot of the ABC stories seem to be about proving some social constructionist view to be true, to be the way, and frankly they make your average family pet appear like geniuses on the subject of common instincts across species

i’m not exactly sure what happens, perhaps the sociology texts haven’t really improves over the last three decades

what seems to be the case is you could read and watch the ABC for a long time and remain obliviously instinct-blind, fortunately common human pets generally have little interest in reading or watching the ABC, so there’s still comfort there if you have a pet

if you don’t have a pet and substitute with TV, that TV is your pet, you may be inclined to never wonder why and how that substitution is made to work

you wouldn’t learn from the ABC what a cascade of failures the policy of wild covid has been, not a few casualties to-date, and plenty more yet, largely a global failure

I’m not sure why that article got that response.

Or was it in response to SCIENCE’s fake headline?

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Life After Lockdown: This Is How The Pandemic Has Shown Young People What It Feels Like To Lose Some Of Their Privilege

https://www.abc.net.au/news/backstory/2022-04-03/youth-pandemic-issues-young-people-australia/100929676

roll it back, it’s probably worth the effort to look for and consider the social constructionist view of reality that maybe permeates the ABC, and in a not entirely different way the commercial networks

a lot of the ABC stories seem to be about proving some social constructionist view to be true, to be the way, and frankly they make your average family pet appear like geniuses on the subject of common instincts across species

i’m not exactly sure what happens, perhaps the sociology texts haven’t really improves over the last three decades

what seems to be the case is you could read and watch the ABC for a long time and remain obliviously instinct-blind, fortunately common human pets generally have little interest in reading or watching the ABC, so there’s still comfort there if you have a pet

if you don’t have a pet and substitute with TV, that TV is your pet, you may be inclined to never wonder why and how that substitution is made to work

you wouldn’t learn from the ABC what a cascade of failures the policy of wild covid has been, not a few casualties to-date, and plenty more yet, largely a global failure

I’m not sure why that article got that response.

Or was it in response to SCIENCE’s fake headline?

yeah latter too, I brevitated

SCIENCE said:

8^)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29440-z

https://au.news.yahoo.com/omicron-xe-coronavirus-variant-infections-world-health-organization-113059487.html

A new COVID hybrid first detected in the UK could be 10% more transmissible than the BA.2 sub-variant of Omicron, the World Health Organization (WHO) has said. The WHO has now warned the variant could be the most transmissible yet, adding in a report: “Early-day estimates indicate a community growth rate advantage of 10 per cent as compared to BA.2, however, this finding requires further confirmation.”

nice

Actually, we take it all back, the pandemic, it’s over¡

Catch you all next time.

SCIENCE said:

Actually, we take it all back, the pandemic, it’s over¡

Catch you all next time.

I’m impressed it took them until April to realise.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Actually, we take it all back, the pandemic, it’s over¡

Catch you all next time.

I’m impressed it took them until April to realise.

why, was it uncontrollable in 2019 or when

I recall reading that this trial was happening, and some of the information, but here is some detail about a human challenge trial with COVID19 virus done in Britain. It would appear to behave pretty much like most colds in terms of contact/days to symptoms/symptoms etc. They worked with young and healthy subjects.

“Scientists deliberately gave people COVID — here’s what they learnt
Only half of participants who were exposed to the coronavirus developed infections, most with mild symptoms.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00319-9

excellent we do need a good cull

SCIENCE said:

Actually, we take it all back, the pandemic, it’s over¡

Catch you all next time.

Sweden has stopped testing for Covid.

Noway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Do you see the dichotomy there?

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Actually, we take it all back, the pandemic, it’s over¡

Catch you all next time.

Sweden has stopped testing for Covid.

Noway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Do you see the dichotomy there?

“Noway”?

Yes, there’s no way Norway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Actually, we take it all back, the pandemic, it’s over¡

Catch you all next time.

Sweden has stopped testing for Covid.

Noway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Do you see the dichotomy there?

“Noway”?

Yes, there’s no way Norway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Well California doing pretty good too hey.

Norway’s mortality per case rate is .2%, higher than Oz but still waaay down in the list.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

Sweden has stopped testing for Covid.

Noway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Do you see the dichotomy there?

“Noway”?

Yes, there’s no way Norway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Today Norway has a death rate of 32.75 which is actually literally the world’s highest death rate per unit population. Second highest is Botswana.

But it’s more fair to use 7 day averaged. Ignoring the tiny island countries from top down by covid deaths. Top of the table is:
Hong Kong
South Korea
Greece
Latvia
Austria
Finland
Bolivia
Lithuania
Norway

OK, today Norway is 9th worst for Covid deaths in the world. You’re right, not in the top 5.

That’s from OurWorldInData. Try worldometers. No, that doesn’t give deaths per unit population.

We’ve Made It ¡ Flock Immunity Achieved ¡¡

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

Sweden has stopped testing for Covid.

Noway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Do you see the dichotomy there?

“Noway”?

Yes, there’s no way Norway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Today Norway has a death rate of 32.75 which is actually literally the world’s highest death rate per unit population. Second highest is Botswana.

But it’s more fair to use 7 day averaged. Ignoring the tiny island countries from top down by covid deaths. Top of the table is:
Hong Kong
South Korea
Greece
Latvia
Austria
Finland
Bolivia
Lithuania
Norway

OK, today Norway is 9th worst for Covid deaths in the world. You’re right, not in the top 5.

That’s from OurWorldInData. Try worldometers. No, that doesn’t give deaths per unit population.

Worldometers has a deaths per million column. And you can put it into most to least order. Norway is at number 128 at the moment. Sweden has been stuck at 57 for some time now but Austria seems to be trying to catch them lately.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

Sweden has stopped testing for Covid.

Noway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Do you see the dichotomy there?

“Noway”?

Yes, there’s no way Norway has one of the top 5 Covid death levels in the world.

Today Norway has a death rate of 32.75 which is actually literally the world’s highest death rate per unit population. Second highest is Botswana.

But it’s more fair to use 7 day averaged. Ignoring the tiny island countries from top down by covid deaths. Top of the table is:
Hong Kong
South Korea
Greece
Latvia
Austria
Finland
Bolivia
Lithuania
Norway

OK, today Norway is 9th worst for Covid deaths in the world. You’re right, not in the top 5.

That’s from OurWorldInData. Try worldometers. No, that doesn’t give deaths per unit population.

Wordometer does give total deaths/million and Norway is 128 on that list.

New cases have fallen right back over the past month, but deaths are still high from the peak in new cases earlier this year.

New cases/million from Ourworld in data

The Rev Dodgson said:

New cases/million from Ourworld in data

Americans took Trump’s advice and stopped testing?

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

New cases/million from Ourworld in data

Americans took Trump’s advice and stopped testing?

so it’s said

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

New cases/million from Ourworld in data

Americans took Trump’s advice and stopped testing?

so it’s said

Are they still doing postmortem testing?

One thing that the USA and Sweden can’t avoid is the continued elevation of overall deathrates…

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Americans took Trump’s advice and stopped testing?

so it’s said

Are they still doing postmortem testing?

One thing that the USA and Sweden can’t avoid is the continued elevation of overall deathrates…

We don’t live there but rumour has it that for example California has 1/10 the cases of Australia but 5 times the deaths so presumably they do test at least perimortem, can’t confirm though.

Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Easy fix, remove the need to isolate if positive…

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Easy fix, remove the need to isolate if positive…

remove the need to remain lifeless if dead

The full Provisional Mortality Statistics for Australia for 2021 are now out.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-dec-2021

buffy said:

The full Provisional Mortality Statistics for Australia for 2021 are now out.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-dec-2021

Ta.

Also, excess mortality at ourworldindata is interesting. I went to the first graph, took off the countries it came up with and put Italy and Sweden in. Quite Interesting. And as for USA…

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

So just some observations on the truck driver who delivered the tractor, Mr Haveachat.
Said he hadn’t driven a truck for 25 years, doing it as a favour for a mate ie cash in hand.
Said he was an RSM in the army, big chap 6’5” about and a red head, got a full TPI discharge after decking some offices or the like for being mentally unfit, thought he was going to Holsworthy.
Met him up the top of the plateau, he turned up in a big low loader which we advised against.
Drove shotgun in front of him going down the mountain and back again.
Had a lot of trouble turning him around.
Any way that was Mr Haveachats story true or not he was a good and helpful bloke.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Easy fix, remove the need to isolate if positive…

Further reducing the queues, it’s win win .

Hey Poikilotherm, how you going selling your excess stocks of thousands of RATs?

The New York Times
Just now ·
After days of public outcry, Shanghai officials said children who test positive for the coronavirus would not be separated from their parents, so long as their parents were also infected. Children will still be separated from uninfected parents, they said.

sarahs mum said:

The New York Times
Just now ·
After days of public outcry, Shanghai officials said children who test positive for the coronavirus would not be separated from their parents, so long as their parents were also infected. Children will still be separated from uninfected parents, they said.

Sounds a bit traumatic. What madness.

They need to buy some Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, and start vacinating peoples with something that works.

when you’ve been coding for three hours without trying to compile

dv said:

when you’ve been coding for three hours without trying to compile

… that’s Amore?

dv said:

when you’ve been coding for three hours without trying to compile

and you get covid.

party_pants said:

Hey Poikilotherm, how you going selling your excess stocks of thousands of RATs?

Down to about 7,000 (5 packs) now. So a few to go.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

The New York Times
Just now ·
After days of public outcry, Shanghai officials said children who test positive for the coronavirus would not be separated from their parents, so long as their parents were also infected. Children will still be separated from uninfected parents, they said.

Sounds a bit traumatic. What madness.

They need to buy some Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, and start vacinating peoples with something that works.

Indeed it seems unnecessary to isolate infected from infected, they should really just send them to some Plague Isles and let some kind of hunger games play out or somesuch, even separating infected children from uninfected parents seems unnecessary unless the parents choose it because they don’t want to get infected, just keep the lot of them on the isles until it’s all done.

Couple of things on this mRNA advertising though,

1. didn’t they promise us all new-variant-specific versions by now, so where are they, and
2. remember when people got shouted down for saying similar about ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 ¿

dv said:

when you’ve been coding for three hours without trying to compile

Never happened to me.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

when you’ve been coding for three hours without trying to compile

… that’s Amore?

Hahahahahahaha

Don’t Worry, As Long As You Can Get Your Hands On Some Of These Things That People Can’t Get Their Hands On, It’ll Be Mild ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-06/covid-patients-missing-out-on-lifesaving-monoclonal-antivirals/100964408

Research has shown it might not be as effective at treating the Omicron BA.2 variant and may cause resistance in some patients, so health authorities are considering pulling it off the market.

ahahahahahaha

endemic implies a more steady, not very peaked, distribution right

hahahahahahah

I’m off to get a PCR test. I don’t trust the RATs.

It is possible that I could have picked up the dreaded lurgy.

roughbarked said:

get a PCR test. I don’t trust the RATs

^

roughbarked said:

I’m off to get a PCR test. I don’t trust the RATs.

It is possible that I could have picked up the dreaded lurgy.

Bummer. Get that test.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I’m off to get a PCR test. I don’t trust the RATs.

It is possible that I could have picked up the dreaded lurgy.

Bummer. Get that test.

It is the only way to know for sure.

SCIENCE said:

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Easy fix, remove the need to isolate if positive…

remove the need to remain lifeless if dead

I can’t see why the comfortable sort of P2 masks can’t be uniformly or universally encouraged

accept there are exceptions some people don’t like wearing them, or can’t, but people still should be encouraged

whatever, people seem to be encouraged rather into investment in a perpetual super-pandemic with not an insubstantial risk that way

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahaha

endemic implies a more steady, not very peaked, distribution right

hahahahahahah

Can you get periods of abnormal deaths even if endemic, like new variation not yet controlled or some event triggers more infections

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

What is a “hospital gauge”?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

Like “Now Serving Covid Customer ??????”

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

How well is your local hospital coping?

Are there any hospitals that are not coping well?

Which hospitals are they?

Should hospitals display COVID details?

What sort of details?

Should hospitals display a community anxiety meter?

for individuals, hospital staff or the while community?

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

What is a “hospital gauge”?

they are digital ones or analogue ones

for COVID patients

number of beds number of ICU

number of remaining ICE beds

no of ventilators etc

other details?

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

Like “Now Serving Covid Customer ??????”

no

that’s admission numbers

unless you admission numbers?

Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are there hospital gauges for COVID wards?

Are they going to put digital counters on hospitals?

Will this raise anxiety?

Is it a good idea?

More questions?

Lights pipe.

What is a “hospital gauge”?

they are digital ones or analogue ones

for COVID patients

number of beds number of ICU

number of remaining ICE beds

no of ventilators etc

other details?

ICE = ICU

My spelling and grammar mistakes

they are digital ones or analogue ones =

There are digital ones or analogue ones

I prefer the digital ones.

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

Or not displaying anything?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Or not displaying anything?

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Or not displaying anything?

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Yes they are a need to know type thing for hospital staff, the general public don’t really need the information.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

Number of parking spots available?

Number of people in the foyer waiting for beds?

Number of ambulances waiting to offload patients?

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Or not displaying anything?

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Seeing how well the local hospital is coping with COVID.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Or not displaying anything?

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Seeing how well the local hospital is coping with COVID.

People can be dumb and panicky though and without context overreact

Cymek said:

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Or not displaying anything?

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Yes they are a need to know type thing for hospital staff, the general public don’t really need the information.

Need to know?

If your local hospital reached capacity and you suddenly got COVID.

Would that matter to you?

Covid Data…

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Signs Signs
Everywhere there’s signs
Fucking up the scenery
Breaking my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

Number of parking spots available?

Number of people in the foyer waiting for beds?

Number of ambulances waiting to offload patients?

Third is a good one to know.

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

it’s a type of clutter, visual, takes longer to process, potentially confusing also, even disorientating

transition said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

it’s a type of clutter, visual, takes longer to process, potentially confusing also, even disorientating

Combined with noise, often no peace

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Arts said:

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Yes they are a need to know type thing for hospital staff, the general public don’t really need the information.

Need to know?

If your local hospital reached capacity and you suddenly got COVID.

Would that matter to you?

Covid Data…

taps desk

Your speaking to a data addict, information addict.

:)

Cymek said:

transition said:

transition said:

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

it’s a type of clutter, visual, takes longer to process, potentially confusing also, even disorientating

Combined with noise, often no peace

You find it on just about every website as well, obnoxious evasive ads designed to be difficult to close or look like the content you are trying to read.
Pop up over the article and often don’t close properly

Cymek said:

transition said:

transition said:

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

it’s a type of clutter, visual, takes longer to process, potentially confusing also, even disorientating

Combined with noise, often no peace

You find it on just about every website as well, obnoxious evasive ads designed to be difficult to close or look like the content you are trying to read.
Pop up over the article and often don’t close properly

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

it’s a type of clutter, visual, takes longer to process, potentially confusing also, even disorientating

Combined with noise, often no peace

You find it on just about every website as well, obnoxious evasive ads designed to be difficult to close or look like the content you are trying to read.
Pop up over the article and often don’t close properly

yeah probably the end days when everything looks like a casino

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Or not displaying anything?

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Seeing how well the local hospital is coping with COVID.

to what purpose?

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Signs – Five Man Electrical Band

And the sign said
“Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why
He said, “You look like a fine upstandin’ young man
I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat and said, “Imagine that
Huh, me workin’ for you”
Whoa

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

And the sign said
“Anybody caught trespassin’
Will be shot on sight”
So I jumped on the fence and I yelled at the house
“Hey! What gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out
But to keep Mother Nature in?
If God was here, he’d tell you to your face
‘Man, you’re some kind of sinner’”

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Now, hey you, mister, can’t you read?
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can’t even watch, no, you can’t eat
You ain’t supposed to be here

The sign said, “You’ve got to have a membership card
To get inside”
Uh

And the sign said
“Everybody welcome
Come in, kneel down and pray”
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all
I didn’t have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper
And I made up my own little sign
I said, “Thank you, Lord, for thinkin’ ‘bout me
I’m alive and doin’ fine”
Woo!

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign

Sign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

Michael V said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Signs – Five Man Electrical Band

And the sign said
“Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why
He said, “You look like a fine upstandin’ young man
I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat and said, “Imagine that
Huh, me workin’ for you”
Whoa

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

And the sign said
“Anybody caught trespassin’
Will be shot on sight”
So I jumped on the fence and I yelled at the house
“Hey! What gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out
But to keep Mother Nature in?
If God was here, he’d tell you to your face
‘Man, you’re some kind of sinner’”

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Now, hey you, mister, can’t you read?
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can’t even watch, no, you can’t eat
You ain’t supposed to be here

The sign said, “You’ve got to have a membership card
To get inside”
Uh

And the sign said
“Everybody welcome
Come in, kneel down and pray”
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all
I didn’t have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper
And I made up my own little sign
I said, “Thank you, Lord, for thinkin’ ‘bout me
I’m alive and doin’ fine”
Woo!

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign

Sign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

First thing that popped into my mind

Cymek said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Signs Signs
Everywhere there’s signs
Fucking up the scenery
Breaking my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign

Ok, little digital ones, at a really nice looking at brightness level, no after effects burn in, auto brightness for day time, night time.

spaced properly maybe even using reflected light not emitted light ?

and displayed only when needed.

Dark Orange said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

Number of parking spots available?

Number of people in the foyer waiting for beds?

Number of ambulances waiting to offload patients?

that’s a better list

But for me I would like to know

If the local hospital reached capacity

and I suddenly got COVID.

Knowing that would that matter to me.

Just saying.

I will do some vacuuming now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

But for me I would like to know

If the local hospital reached capacity

and I suddenly got COVID.

Knowing that would that matter to me.

Just saying.

I will do some vacuuming now.

but so few people that get covid actually go to hospital now

transition said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

it’s a type of clutter, visual, takes longer to process, potentially confusing also, even disorientating

Yes I am aware of that.

As a type compositor typologist and designer.

Eyesores can be everywhere in advertising.

Some data is useful to know, just saying…

Tau.Neutrino said:

But for me I would like to know

If the local hospital reached capacity

and I suddenly got COVID.

Knowing that would that matter to me.

Just saying.

I will do some vacuuming now.

Would you go elsewhere if so ?
Its not static so could go from capacity to available beds

call this wild speculation, but if you got ill to the point that you needed hospitalisation, wouldn’t you just call an ambulance and let them sort out the hospital?

otherwise, you can have covid and stay at home… which is what most people do

buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

what is the purpose of displaying this data?

Seeing how well the local hospital is coping with COVID.

to what purpose?

So you know to drive to the next hospital if it is full I suppose.

Could be that, might be something else. dunno.

diddly-squat said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

But for me I would like to know

If the local hospital reached capacity

and I suddenly got COVID.

Knowing that would that matter to me.

Just saying.

I will do some vacuuming now.

but so few people that get covid actually go to hospital now

That might change and rather quickly.

Arts said:

call this wild speculation, but if you got ill to the point that you needed hospitalisation, wouldn’t you just call an ambulance and let them sort out the hospital?

otherwise, you can have covid and stay at home… which is what most people do

^this

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

But for me I would like to know

If the local hospital reached capacity

and I suddenly got COVID.

Knowing that would that matter to me.

Just saying.

I will do some vacuuming now.

Would you go elsewhere if so ?
Its not static so could go from capacity to available beds

Well I could go back home

and build my own ventilator.

Michael V said:

transition said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Digital meters for hospitals displaying No of COVID patients

Number of COVID beds ?

Number of remaining Covid beds ?

Number of ICU

Number of remaining ICU beds

Number of ventilators etc

Number of remaining ventilators

Or just remaining numbers?

other details?

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Signs – Five Man Electrical Band

And the sign said
“Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why
He said, “You look like a fine upstandin’ young man
I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat and said, “Imagine that
Huh, me workin’ for you”
Whoa

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

And the sign said
“Anybody caught trespassin’
Will be shot on sight”
So I jumped on the fence and I yelled at the house
“Hey! What gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out
But to keep Mother Nature in?
If God was here, he’d tell you to your face
‘Man, you’re some kind of sinner’”

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Now, hey you, mister, can’t you read?
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can’t even watch, no, you can’t eat
You ain’t supposed to be here

The sign said, “You’ve got to have a membership card
To get inside”
Uh

And the sign said
“Everybody welcome
Come in, kneel down and pray”
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all
I didn’t have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper
And I made up my own little sign
I said, “Thank you, Lord, for thinkin’ ‘bout me
I’m alive and doin’ fine”
Woo!

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign

Sign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

listening that, quite like it, and reading below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Man_Electrical_Band
“The Five Man Electrical Band (known as The Staccatos from 1963 to 1968) is a Canadian rock band from Ottawa, Ontario. They had many hits in Canada, including the top 10 entries “Half Past Midnight” (1967) (as The Staccatos), “Absolutely Right” (1971) and “I’m a Stranger Here” (1972). Internationally, they are best known for their 1971 hit single “Signs”“

Arts said:

call this wild speculation, but if you got ill to the point that you needed hospitalisation, wouldn’t you just call an ambulance and let them sort out the hospital?

otherwise, you can have covid and stay at home… which is what most people do

+1

Michael V said:

Arts said:

call this wild speculation, but if you got ill to the point that you needed hospitalisation, wouldn’t you just call an ambulance and let them sort out the hospital?

otherwise, you can have covid and stay at home… which is what most people do

+1

The ambulance part bumps you up the list usually instead of waiting in ER

transition said:

Michael V said:

transition said:

add that to all the over-signage

ever noticed it can be a problem, signs everywhere, even a lonely corner on a country road can be lit up like a christmas tree

one of the things the specialists in signage have to consider these days, or do, is over-signage

Signs – Five Man Electrical Band

And the sign said
“Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why
He said, “You look like a fine upstandin’ young man
I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat and said, “Imagine that
Huh, me workin’ for you”
Whoa

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

And the sign said
“Anybody caught trespassin’
Will be shot on sight”
So I jumped on the fence and I yelled at the house
“Hey! What gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out
But to keep Mother Nature in?
If God was here, he’d tell you to your face
‘Man, you’re some kind of sinner’”

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Now, hey you, mister, can’t you read?
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can’t even watch, no, you can’t eat
You ain’t supposed to be here

The sign said, “You’ve got to have a membership card
To get inside”
Uh

And the sign said
“Everybody welcome
Come in, kneel down and pray”
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all
I didn’t have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper
And I made up my own little sign
I said, “Thank you, Lord, for thinkin’ ‘bout me
I’m alive and doin’ fine”
Woo!

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign

Sign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

listening that, quite like it, and reading below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Man_Electrical_Band
“The Five Man Electrical Band (known as The Staccatos from 1963 to 1968) is a Canadian rock band from Ottawa, Ontario. They had many hits in Canada, including the top 10 entries “Half Past Midnight” (1967) (as The Staccatos), “Absolutely Right” (1971) and “I’m a Stranger Here” (1972). Internationally, they are best known for their 1971 hit single “Signs”“

Right.

I’m going to re write the song.

You just watch.

Might take a while.

But I will re write it.

Copies lyrics.

Opens new text file.

Pastes lyrics into new text file.

Saves text file, Signs.txt.

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

Michael V said:

Signs – Five Man Electrical Band

And the sign said
“Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why
He said, “You look like a fine upstandin’ young man
I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat and said, “Imagine that
Huh, me workin’ for you”
Whoa

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

And the sign said
“Anybody caught trespassin’
Will be shot on sight”
So I jumped on the fence and I yelled at the house
“Hey! What gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out
But to keep Mother Nature in?
If God was here, he’d tell you to your face
‘Man, you’re some kind of sinner’”

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Now, hey you, mister, can’t you read?
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can’t even watch, no, you can’t eat
You ain’t supposed to be here

The sign said, “You’ve got to have a membership card
To get inside”
Uh

And the sign said
“Everybody welcome
Come in, kneel down and pray”
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all
I didn’t have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper
And I made up my own little sign
I said, “Thank you, Lord, for thinkin’ ‘bout me
I’m alive and doin’ fine”
Woo!

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign
Blockin’ out the scenery
Breakin’ my mind
Do this, don’t do that
Can’t you read the sign?

Sign, sign
Everywhere a sign

Sign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

listening that, quite like it, and reading below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Man_Electrical_Band
“The Five Man Electrical Band (known as The Staccatos from 1963 to 1968) is a Canadian rock band from Ottawa, Ontario. They had many hits in Canada, including the top 10 entries “Half Past Midnight” (1967) (as The Staccatos), “Absolutely Right” (1971) and “I’m a Stranger Here” (1972). Internationally, they are best known for their 1971 hit single “Signs”“

Right.

I’m going to re write the song.

You just watch.

Might take a while.

But I will re write it.

Copies lyrics.

Opens new text file.

Pastes lyrics into new text file.

Saves text file, Signs.txt.

Doesn’t mention the signs separating whites and coloureds back in the day.

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

listening that, quite like it, and reading below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Man_Electrical_Band
“The Five Man Electrical Band (known as The Staccatos from 1963 to 1968) is a Canadian rock band from Ottawa, Ontario. They had many hits in Canada, including the top 10 entries “Half Past Midnight” (1967) (as The Staccatos), “Absolutely Right” (1971) and “I’m a Stranger Here” (1972). Internationally, they are best known for their 1971 hit single “Signs”“

Right.

I’m going to re write the song.

You just watch.

Might take a while.

But I will re write it.

Copies lyrics.

Opens new text file.

Pastes lyrics into new text file.

Saves text file, Signs.txt.

Doesn’t mention the signs separating whites and coloureds back in the day.

I’m not including that in the re-write. Too much of it already.

Ive updated my list.

:)

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

listening that, quite like it, and reading below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Man_Electrical_Band
“The Five Man Electrical Band (known as The Staccatos from 1963 to 1968) is a Canadian rock band from Ottawa, Ontario. They had many hits in Canada, including the top 10 entries “Half Past Midnight” (1967) (as The Staccatos), “Absolutely Right” (1971) and “I’m a Stranger Here” (1972). Internationally, they are best known for their 1971 hit single “Signs”“

Right.

I’m going to re write the song.

You just watch.

Might take a while.

But I will re write it.

Copies lyrics.

Opens new text file.

Pastes lyrics into new text file.

Saves text file, Signs.txt.

Doesn’t mention the signs separating whites and coloureds back in the day.

Given that the band was Canadian, I can understand the omission.

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Right.

I’m going to re write the song.

You just watch.

Might take a while.

But I will re write it.

Copies lyrics.

Opens new text file.

Pastes lyrics into new text file.

Saves text file, Signs.txt.

Doesn’t mention the signs separating whites and coloureds back in the day.

Given that the band was Canadian, I can understand the omission.

Good point

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Right.

I’m going to re write the song.

You just watch.

Might take a while.

But I will re write it.

Copies lyrics.

Opens new text file.

Pastes lyrics into new text file.

Saves text file, Signs.txt.

Doesn’t mention the signs separating whites and coloureds back in the day.

I’m not including that in the re-write. Too much of it already.

Given that protest songs have not worked maybe its time to look at other ways to stop it, like at the grass roots level, at all social political and social levels, maybe even new ways to tackle the problem.

Re-infection is happening more frequently too, just saying…

ahahahahahaha

ahaha

aha

ha

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahaha

ahaha

aha

ha

How is your local hospital coping Science?

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahaha

ahaha

aha

ha

How is your local hospital coping Science?

we haven’t needed any ICU care yet

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahaha

ahaha

aha

ha

How is your local hospital coping Science?

we haven’t needed any ICU care yet

Hopefully you wont get it,

Imagine your local hospital exceeding over capacity with covid people.

How long to the next hospital, and the next one etc.

Or drive home.

To make your own ventilator.

nice

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.04.487020v1

The long-term implications of SARS-CoV-2 infection are still unknown, but our results point to the potential impact of infection on pathways relevant to cancer affecting cell proliferation, development and survival, favoring DNA degradation, preventing the repair of damaging events and impeding the translation of RNA into working proteins.

SCIENCE said:

possibly became the Borg Queen after GB’s efforts at advocating health-related social policy for the entire country

but the collective is a global enterprise, the money should be as free as travel, makes a nice prophylactic against chinese invasion anyway

humor alert

SCIENCE said:

They also say that death is inevitable, but I haven’t died in the last 2 years so I am pretty confident that claim is also bullshit.

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

They also say that death is inevitable, but I haven’t died in the last 2 years so I am pretty confident that claim is also bullshit.

‘Only’ 43% of Americans.

Would have been a lot fewer if so many of them weren’t dickheaded posers.

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

SCIENCE said:

They also say that death is inevitable, but I haven’t died in the last 2 years so I am pretty confident that claim is also bullshit.

‘Only’ 43% of Americans.

Would have been a lot fewer if so many of them weren’t dickheaded posers.

Even if the analogy were perfect, instead consider this so-called “expert” who has no fucking idea what ‘e’s talking about.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

They also say that death is inevitable, but I haven’t died in the last 2 years so I am pretty confident that claim is also bullshit.

‘Only’ 43% of Americans.

Would have been a lot fewer if so many of them weren’t dickheaded posers.

Even if the analogy were perfect, instead consider this so-called “expert” who has no fucking idea what ‘e’s talking about.

What’s needed is access to the data from a parallel Earth were no vaccine was developed and compare the deaths

Cymek said:

What’s needed is access to the data from a parallel Earth were no vaccine was developed and compare the deaths

Yes that’s called ASIA or even just CHINA i’n‘it.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

‘Only’ 43% of Americans.

Would have been a lot fewer if so many of them weren’t dickheaded posers.

Even if the analogy were perfect, instead consider this so-called “expert” who has no fucking idea what ‘e’s talking about.

What’s needed is access to the data from a parallel Earth were no vaccine was developed and compare the deaths

yes, a control earth

Something new and interesting for you all¡

The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has recently detected higher than usual rates of liver inflammation (hepatitis) in children. Similar cases are being assessed in Scotland.

UKHSA is working swiftly with the NHS and public health colleagues across the UK to investigate the potential cause. In England, there are approximately 60 cases under investigation in children under 10.

Dr Meera Chand, Director of Clinical and Emerging Infections, said: Investigations for a wide range of potential causes are underway, including any possible links to infectious diseases.

no prejudice there cous’ none at all

Arts said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Even if the analogy were perfect, instead consider this so-called “expert” who has no fucking idea what ‘e’s talking about.

What’s needed is access to the data from a parallel Earth were no vaccine was developed and compare the deaths

yes, a control earth

=> Many Worlds and Their Problems thread

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

Cymek said:

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

so milder than a paper cut you mean

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahaha

ahaha

aha

ha

Oh, OOPS¡

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

so milder than a paper cut you mean

Exactly
It could be worse if it mutated again due to much larger numbers to infect
Plus with that many dead who knows how the world would react

SARS-CoV-2 can cause acute respiratory distress and death in some patients1. Although severe COVID-19 disease is linked to exuberant inflammation, how SARS-CoV-2 triggers inflammation is not understood2. Monocytes and macrophages are sentinel cells that sense invasive infection to form inflammasomes that activate caspase-1 and gasdermin D (GSDMD), leading to inflammatory death (pyroptosis) and release of potent inflammatory mediators3. Here we show that about 6% of blood monocytes in COVID-19 patients are infected with SARS-CoV-2. Monocyte infection depends on uptake of antibody-opsonized virus by Fcγ receptors. Vaccine recipient plasma does not promote antibody-dependent monocyte infection. SARS-CoV-2 begins to replicate in monocytes, but infection is aborted, and infectious virus is not detected in infected monocyte culture supernatants. Instead, infected cells undergo inflammatory cell death (pyroptosis) mediated by activation of NLRP3 and AIM2 inflammasomes, caspase-1 and GSDMD. Moreover, tissue-resident macrophages, but not infected epithelial and endothelial cells, from COVID-19 lung autopsies have activated inflammasomes. These findings taken together suggest that antibody-mediated SARS-CoV-2 uptake by monocytes/macrophages triggers inflammatory cell death that aborts production of infectious virus but causes systemic inflammation that contributes to COVID-19 pathogenesis.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04702-4

Cymek said:

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

We don’t know how many have been infected.

Covid on Snug Tiers.

Matt number 2.

Matt number 1 told me when he took me to the IGA to pick up the groceries.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

We don’t know how many have been infected.

No I was using the number from Wikipedia

As of 5 April 2022, the pandemic had caused more than 493 million cases and 6.15 million deaths, making it one of the deadliest in history.

Total number of infections is about 1/16 of the world population so I just multiplied it by 16
Reality would be different
Its

sarahs mum said:

Covid on Snug Tiers.

Matt number 2.

Matt number 1 told me when he took me to the IGA to pick up the groceries.

Bound to happen sooner or later.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Covid on Snug Tiers.

Matt number 2.

Matt number 1 told me when he took me to the IGA to pick up the groceries.

Bound to happen sooner or later.

Matt number two is a high school teacher. Teaches woodwork and metalwork i think. thusly, he was on the likely list.

Cymek said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

We don’t know how many have been infected.

No I was using the number from Wikipedia

As of 5 April 2022, the pandemic had caused more than 493 million cases and 6.15 million deaths, making it one of the deadliest in history.

Total number of infections is about 1/16 of the world population so I just multiplied it by 16
Reality would be different
Its

Yeah but otoh the real deathcount is expected to be about 4 times higher, based on death excess.

Otooh presumably the rate now would be lower due to vaccination

dv said:

Cymek said:

buffy said:

We don’t know how many have been infected.

No I was using the number from Wikipedia

As of 5 April 2022, the pandemic had caused more than 493 million cases and 6.15 million deaths, making it one of the deadliest in history.

Total number of infections is about 1/16 of the world population so I just multiplied it by 16
Reality would be different
Its

Yeah but otoh the real deathcount is expected to be about 4 times higher, based on death excess.

Otooh presumably the rate now would be lower due to vaccination

Yes it was just a hypothetical situation if everyone got it and the rate stayed the same.
Kind of a middle range worst case scenario.

Cymek said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Going by world population if every single person got/gets it the total deaths would be 98.5 million
That’s just going by the number of dead compared to those infected and multiplying it.

We don’t know how many have been infected.

No I was using the number from Wikipedia

As of 5 April 2022, the pandemic had caused more than 493 million cases and 6.15 million deaths, making it one of the deadliest in history.

Total number of infections is about 1/16 of the world population so I just multiplied it by 16
Reality would be different
Its

The number of cases is a very rubbery figure. Remember that here in Australia in 2020 testing was only done if you had symptoms. I think this was the case in many, many places. This later opened up, but not for about a year. And then testing of non symptomatic people started, sometimes because of contacts, sometimes because of job requirements. So initially the numbers were the number of people who had symptoms and got tested and turned out to have this particular coronavirus. Missing any symptomatics who didn’t get tested and most asymptomatics. Later you were still missing asymptomatics who did not have to get tested for contact or job reasons. Whatever number you use that is published, it’s an underestimate and could be very much larger. This makes your denominator larger, reducing the kill level. Deaths are not as rubbery, as dead is dead.

So you know how this SARS-CoV-2 CHINA bioweapon is new to humans after development in captive bat breeding facilities, and it’s not eugenics just burning off the dry tinder, well…

… imagine if just like the ‘flu’, it was 10 times more lethal (after best available medical treatment) than the ‘flu’ …

… and just like the ‘flu’ which has A and B and Hs and Ns and whatever lineages in each, there is just the COVID-19 we know about …

… but being new there is evolutionary space for it to fill out and develop into distinct lineages …

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00708-x

… so imagine if there were like say 4 different SARS-CoV-2s going around, which do not confer cross immunity (or even lasting within-line immunity), or even confer enhancement like the 4 dengues …

… and it’s fucking transmissible so imagine catching one of each every 4 weeks, enough to keep you sick for a week each time, 4 weeks a month, 52 weeks a year …

… this is looking good, fellas¡

SCIENCE said:

So you know how this SARS-CoV-2 CHINA bioweapon is new to humans after development in captive bat breeding facilities, and it’s not eugenics just burning off the dry tinder, well…

… imagine if just like the ‘flu’, it was 10 times more lethal (after best available medical treatment) than the ‘flu’ …

… and just like the ‘flu’ which has A and B and Hs and Ns and whatever lineages in each, there is just the COVID-19 we know about …

… but being new there is evolutionary space for it to fill out and develop into distinct lineages …

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00708-x

… so imagine if there were like say 4 different SARS-CoV-2s going around, which do not confer cross immunity (or even lasting within-line immunity), or even confer enhancement like the 4 dengues …

… and it’s fucking transmissible so imagine catching one of each every 4 weeks, enough to keep you sick for a week each time, 4 weeks a month, 52 weeks a year …

… this is looking good, fellas¡

plenty will evolve, plenty opportunity in many hosts for study, not entirely unlike watching the polar ice melt, all liberating, watch our good work, no end of news and other entertainments to go between the advertisements

wars, fires, floods, plagues to normalize, build up ya resilience, Derrr

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

outer mongolia?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

New Zealand?

ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

outer mongolia?

All of Mongolia was 92nd

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

New Zealand?

Close.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

New Zealand?

Close.

NZ was actually 18th, although on a per head basis it was only a little behind No. 5.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

Burkina Faso

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

Burkina Faso

Better research needed.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Guess which country was No. 5 in the World for new cases on Worldometer yesterday?

Burkina Faso

Better research needed.

You said guess..

UK?

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

Burkina Faso

Better research needed.

You said guess..

True :)

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK?

Nowhere near.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK?

Nowhere near.

We give up more time?

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

UK?

Nowhere near.

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nowhere near.

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

America.?

Africa?

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

America.?

Africa?

Argentina?

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

America.?

Africa?

It’s a country and its not in either of those continents, or Asia.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

America.?

Africa?

Argentina?

It’s the same side of the Equator as Argentina.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nowhere near.

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

Israel.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

Israel.

no country starts with i and ends with an e

“Justice Gregory Geason’s former associate taking action after losing job | The Mercury
Amber Wilson
A YOUNG woman and former Supreme Court of Tasmania associate has lodged a complaint against the court, saying she was forced out of her job when her relationship with a judge was made public.
Last year, the Mercury published a photo of Justice Gregory Geason kissing his associate Sarah Gregory at the Grand Poobah nightclub following the Law Society of Tasmania’s “Opening of the Legal Year” dinner.
Following the revelations, Ms Gregory claims she was wrongfully accused of misconduct, shamed and “unilaterally removed from her role with Justice Geason”.
The Supreme Court of Tasmania at the time denied the pair was in an ongoing relationship, suggesting the incident was fleeting.
Justice Geason, who was married at the time, remains employed with the court.
Ms Gregory’s complaint, which she has lodged with Equal Opportunity Tasmania, is not directed at Justice Geason personally, but at the court.
Supreme Court judge Justice Gregory Geason. Picture: SAM ROSEWARNE.
Supreme Court judge Justice Gregory Geason. Picture: SAM ROSEWARNE.
Maurice Blackburn principal Josh Bornstein said the complaint was a landmark legal challenge alleging discrimination on the basis of Ms Gregory’s lawful sexual activity.
He said under Tasmania’s Anti-Discrimination Act, employees were protected from discrimination on the basis of lawful sexual activity.
“My client is a young woman who engaged in a lawful, consensual relationship. As a result, she was shamed and humiliated, accused of misconduct, and subjected to punitive sanctions without any fair process being followed. The consequences for my client have been severe and ongoing. It is not clear whether my client will continue to work in the legal
profession,” Mr Bornstein alleged in a statement.
“The Tasmanian Supreme Court should have fair and transparent processes in place to manage any matters such as conflicts of interest arising from consensual relationships in the workplace. Such policies are commonplace across Australia.
“This case will test whether our discrimination laws are fit for purpose today.”
Mr Bornstein argued that young women engaging in consensual relationships should not be “subject to moral censure and unfair punishment at work as a result”.
Ms Gregory’s complaint technically falls outside of the 12-month window after her employment with the court ceased.
However, Equal Opportunity Tasmania has a discretion to accept complaints more than 12 months after the alleged discrimination occurs.
Justice Geason, who was the best man at former premier Will Hodgman’s wedding, was appointed to his position in November 2017.
After the January 29 incident last year, the Supreme Court confirmed Chief Justice Alan Blow said he’d counselled Justice Geason in relation to the allegations and that further steps could be taken “depending on what he considers appropriate”.
Mr Bornstein said Ms Gregory was seeking compensation for the loss she has suffered and continues to suffer.
The Department of Justice was contacted for comment”

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We give up more time?

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

Israel.

But seriously, it seems strange that Australian new cases being so high isn’t getting much attention.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

Israel.

But seriously, it seems strange that Australian new cases being so high isn’t getting much attention.

they aren’t dying so who cares

An article on how long COVID has affected some people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59584146.amp

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Hint, its name starts and ends with the same letter.

Israel.

But seriously, it seems strange that Australian new cases being so high isn’t getting much attention.

It seems we’re not over it. But, yeah, people are sick of it (pun).

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Israel.

But seriously, it seems strange that Australian new cases being so high isn’t getting much attention.

It seems we’re not over it. But, yeah, people are sick of it (pun).

That’s daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people, 7 day average, shoulda said.

Spiny Norman said:

An article on how long COVID has affected some people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59584146.amp

only the snowflakes

Covid everywhere on the windy rock.

https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/facts/tasmanian-statistics

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Israel.

But seriously, it seems strange that Australian new cases being so high isn’t getting much attention.

they aren’t dying so who cares

Yes. We’re in a high-vax, let ‘er rip phase, heading towards endemicity. It appears to be kind of working in that deaths remain at a low level.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But seriously, it seems strange that Australian new cases being so high isn’t getting much attention.

they aren’t dying so who cares

Yes. We’re in a high-vax, let ‘er rip phase, heading towards endemicity. It appears to be kind of working in that deaths remain at a low level.

My medico friends have long maintained that hospitalisations and deaths are a better metric than cases.

Dark Orange said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

they aren’t dying so who cares

Yes. We’re in a high-vax, let ‘er rip phase, heading towards endemicity. It appears to be kind of working in that deaths remain at a low level.

My medico friends have long maintained that hospitalisations and deaths are a better metric than cases.

That’s a lag indicator…

Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

Something new and interesting for you all¡

The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has recently detected higher than usual rates of liver inflammation (hepatitis) in children. Similar cases are being assessed in Scotland.

UKHSA is working swiftly with the NHS and public health colleagues across the UK to investigate the potential cause. In England, there are approximately 60 cases under investigation in children under 10.

Dr Meera Chand, Director of Clinical and Emerging Infections, said: Investigations for a wide range of potential causes are underway, including any possible links to infectious diseases.

no prejudice there cous’ none at all

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61025140

Eleven children aged between one and five with hepatitis have been admitted to hospitals in Lanarkshire, Glasgow, Tayside and Fife, mostly since the start of March. Normally there are about seven or eight childhood cases per year in Scotland which do not have an underlying diagnosis. That triggered an investigation by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) which looked back at hospital admissions in England since January. It is now looking into about 60 cases in children under 10, with the majority thought to be in toddlers and younger children. The patients involved were all sick enough to need hospital treatment though most are thought to have made a full recovery.

see told you it’s mild so who cares

The most common forms of hepatitis – known as A to E – are caused by specific viral infections. However, in all the new childhood cases under investigation, those viruses have not been detected.

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

the pandemic response failure continues, in perpetuity, the perpetual pandemic

Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

we give it less than 4 days until the voices start accusing CHINA of falsifying numbers yet again

this time they’ll be going against the grain of everyone else … yet again

they’ll be artificially inflating their COVID-19 numbers to keep dissent in major cities suppressed

it’ll be an extension of the existing casedemic disinformation bullfuck but hey no irony

must be the laid back attitude

West Taiwanese USSA Plot To Breach Zero-COVID-19 Mainland Taiwan Foiled By Routine Testing

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-airport-workers-exempted-from-covid-rule-after-passenger-chaos-20220409-p5ac8z.html

It begins…science will have a stroke…

poikilotherm said:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-airport-workers-exempted-from-covid-rule-after-passenger-chaos-20220409-p5ac8z.html

It begins…science will have a stroke…

you mean all the workers that go on to catch thrombovirus will go on to have strokes, oh yes

oh you mean that other stroke

off genius

What an idiot, everyone knows that the holes in mosquito nets are huge compared to sporozoites¡

FWIW the period that various surfaces stay infected with Omicron BA.2 is longer than previous strains. Four days as a minimum without cleaning now.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666016422000068?via%3Dihub=&s=01

SCIENCE said:

What an idiot, everyone knows that the holes in mosquito nets are huge compared to sporozoites¡

found the actual one we were looking for

Imagine Big Pharma And Corruption Grants Making A Quick Duck Tuck Buck Behind The Changerooms

Sweden Stalk: They seem to have finished their third wave.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

And Australia is stuck at number 5 on “New Deaths”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

buffy said:

And Australia is stuck at number 5 on “New Deaths”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Australia was 25th for new deaths yesterday, and 23rd two days ago.

Today’s numbers are misleading because most places haven’t reported yet.

buffy said:

And Australia is stuck at number 5 on “New Deaths”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I have us at 24, with the Kiwis at 25th.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

And Australia is stuck at number 5 on “New Deaths”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I have us at 24, with the Kiwis at 25th.

If I click on the top of the “New Deaths” column to put it in big to little order, we come in at number 5.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

buffy said:

And Australia is stuck at number 5 on “New Deaths”.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I have us at 24, with the Kiwis at 25th.

If I click on the top of the “New Deaths” column to put it in big to little order, we come in at number 5.

Click on Yesterday first, so all the data is in.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

I have us at 24, with the Kiwis at 25th.

If I click on the top of the “New Deaths” column to put it in big to little order, we come in at number 5.

Click on Yesterday first, so all the data is in.

Yes, I was looking at today.

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

If I click on the top of the “New Deaths” column to put it in big to little order, we come in at number 5.

Click on Yesterday first, so all the data is in.

Yes, I was looking at today.

Which currently has only 6 countries with any reported new deaths, with Australia bottom of the list.

apparently disease impairs The Economy Must Grow but it wasn’t important enough to prevent

https://www.ft.com/content/8b9166af-2e85-4429-ab1f-362c189e46f2

Others suffer lasting neurological and cognitive effects that are less visible, but equally disabling. Many suffer from depression or anxiety or “brain fog”, struggling with memory, concentration and making decisions.

While long Covid is taking a heavy toll on the individuals affected, it also represents a disaster in the making for businesses and economies — potentially pushing significant numbers of people out of labour markets where employers are already struggling to hire. One in five patients hospitalised with Covid were still not working five months later, according to a UK study on the effects of the virus post-hospitalisation. A similar proportion had changed their job because of health issues. Policymakers are starting to suspect the condition is a factor behind the labour shortages seen in the US and UK, where many older workers are looking to work fewer hours or have left the workforce completely. One study by the Brookings Institution in January speculated that long Covid could potentially account for upwards of 15 per cent of the 10.6mn unfilled jobs in the US.

The condition is so new that employment law has yet to catch up with it: in many countries, governments and courts have not yet made clear to what extent it should be treated as a disability or an occupational disease. On April 5, the Biden administration said it would scale up national research on long Covid, and directed federal agencies to support sufferers as they seek treatment and attempt to return to work. But in some countries, labour market data give an idea of how long-term health issues grew during the pandemic. In the US, where long Covid can qualify as a disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act, labour force data show the number of civilians with a disability who are working or seeking work grew by 1.36mn, a 23 per cent increase, between January 2021 and January 2022. Meanwhile, UK labour market data show a rise of some 200,000 since the start of the pandemic in the number of people who are not working or job-seeking because of long-term ill health; and a quarter of UK companies say long Covid is one of the main causes of long-term staff absence.

Some large global companies are now beginning to see the condition as a serious risk to their business. Smaller companies may also be forced to develop policies to address the condition. In the US, where employers must make “reasonable accommodations” to allow a person assessed as having a disability to continue in their jobs, lawyers say lawsuits relating to long Covid are becoming more common as companies ask staff to return to the office. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission received more than 4,000 allegations of disability laws being violated in relation to Covid during 2020 and 2021. Although the agency does not distinguish between Covid and long Covid claims, it published guidance for employers in December to alert them about the issue. While UK courts are yet to rule on the legal status of long Covid, lawyers say many sufferers would have good cases to be treated as disabled, entitling them to reasonable adjustments to help them do their job.

But it will take a concerted effort on the part of employers and policymakers to change HR practices, benefits systems and a workplace culture that currently fails many people with chronic health conditions. Coe says the “shocking” treatment many employees with long Covid had received was “not surprising, given the broader experience of disabled workers”, who often found employers unwilling to grant flexibility around shift patterns, rest breaks, homeworking or changes to their duties. Sufferers of long Covid hoping to return to work have few treatment options, as researchers are only starting to define the condition. Doctors have experimented with a range of existing drugs while pharmaceutical companies are developing new treatments targeted at symptoms such as muscle fatigue or lung scarring, but none are in phase 3 trials. In the UK and the US, long Covid clinics offer mental healthcare and physiotherapy, but waiting lists are long.

Working with the condition is further complicated by its unpredictable nature: symptoms vary wildly and fluctuate unexpectedly, with many sufferers finding even mild exertion brings on a relapse. This means that standard HR policies — which offer employees a “phased return” to their usual hours and duties, typically over a four-week period — set people up to fail, as do “absence management” policies that often seem designed to catch malingerers, not to support those genuinely struggling. Occupational health professionals say long Covid sufferers should not be placed on protracted sick leave, since long periods of worklessness are also damaging. Instead, they should be allowed to return at a far more gentle, gradual pace, with adjustments tailored to their specific circumstances and co-ordinated support from HR, line managers and colleagues.

But this kind of intensive support is exceptional, even within the NHS, which is acutely aware of the risk long Covid poses to its own strained workforce. In a few countries — the Netherlands among them — employers must take responsibility for staff who fall sick. In the UK, however, long-term sick pay is rare, as is access to occupational healthcare, and even if staff are covered by insurance schemes, insurers can be unwilling to pay. In the US, federal law does not require businesses to offer any sick pay at all, though some states, cities and counties do. Yet if employers rise to the challenge long Covid represents, they stand to gain — while helping people who have spent the past two years fighting to regain their health and livelihood to relaunch their careers. “Life changes — the person has to adapt to the condition. But their recovery is positive over time. They return to some kind of normality,” Swainson says.

SCIENCE said:

apparently disease impairs The Economy Must Grow but it wasn’t important enough to prevent

https://www.ft.com/content/8b9166af-2e85-4429-ab1f-362c189e46f2

Others suffer lasting neurological and cognitive effects that are less visible, but equally disabling. Many suffer from depression or anxiety or “brain fog”, struggling with memory, concentration and making decisions.

While long Covid is taking a heavy toll on the individuals affected, it also represents a disaster in the making for businesses and economies — potentially pushing significant numbers of people out of labour markets where employers are already struggling to hire. One in five patients hospitalised with Covid were still not working five months later, according to a UK study on the effects of the virus post-hospitalisation. A similar proportion had changed their job because of health issues. Policymakers are starting to suspect the condition is a factor behind the labour shortages seen in the US and UK, where many older workers are looking to work fewer hours or have left the workforce completely. One study by the Brookings Institution in January speculated that long Covid could potentially account for upwards of 15 per cent of the 10.6mn unfilled jobs in the US.

The condition is so new that employment law has yet to catch up with it: in many countries, governments and courts have not yet made clear to what extent it should be treated as a disability or an occupational disease. On April 5, the Biden administration said it would scale up national research on long Covid, and directed federal agencies to support sufferers as they seek treatment and attempt to return to work. But in some countries, labour market data give an idea of how long-term health issues grew during the pandemic. In the US, where long Covid can qualify as a disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act, labour force data show the number of civilians with a disability who are working or seeking work grew by 1.36mn, a 23 per cent increase, between January 2021 and January 2022. Meanwhile, UK labour market data show a rise of some 200,000 since the start of the pandemic in the number of people who are not working or job-seeking because of long-term ill health; and a quarter of UK companies say long Covid is one of the main causes of long-term staff absence.

Some large global companies are now beginning to see the condition as a serious risk to their business. Smaller companies may also be forced to develop policies to address the condition. In the US, where employers must make “reasonable accommodations” to allow a person assessed as having a disability to continue in their jobs, lawyers say lawsuits relating to long Covid are becoming more common as companies ask staff to return to the office. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission received more than 4,000 allegations of disability laws being violated in relation to Covid during 2020 and 2021. Although the agency does not distinguish between Covid and long Covid claims, it published guidance for employers in December to alert them about the issue. While UK courts are yet to rule on the legal status of long Covid, lawyers say many sufferers would have good cases to be treated as disabled, entitling them to reasonable adjustments to help them do their job.

But it will take a concerted effort on the part of employers and policymakers to change HR practices, benefits systems and a workplace culture that currently fails many people with chronic health conditions. Coe says the “shocking” treatment many employees with long Covid had received was “not surprising, given the broader experience of disabled workers”, who often found employers unwilling to grant flexibility around shift patterns, rest breaks, homeworking or changes to their duties. Sufferers of long Covid hoping to return to work have few treatment options, as researchers are only starting to define the condition. Doctors have experimented with a range of existing drugs while pharmaceutical companies are developing new treatments targeted at symptoms such as muscle fatigue or lung scarring, but none are in phase 3 trials. In the UK and the US, long Covid clinics offer mental healthcare and physiotherapy, but waiting lists are long.

Working with the condition is further complicated by its unpredictable nature: symptoms vary wildly and fluctuate unexpectedly, with many sufferers finding even mild exertion brings on a relapse. This means that standard HR policies — which offer employees a “phased return” to their usual hours and duties, typically over a four-week period — set people up to fail, as do “absence management” policies that often seem designed to catch malingerers, not to support those genuinely struggling. Occupational health professionals say long Covid sufferers should not be placed on protracted sick leave, since long periods of worklessness are also damaging. Instead, they should be allowed to return at a far more gentle, gradual pace, with adjustments tailored to their specific circumstances and co-ordinated support from HR, line managers and colleagues.

But this kind of intensive support is exceptional, even within the NHS, which is acutely aware of the risk long Covid poses to its own strained workforce. In a few countries — the Netherlands among them — employers must take responsibility for staff who fall sick. In the UK, however, long-term sick pay is rare, as is access to occupational healthcare, and even if staff are covered by insurance schemes, insurers can be unwilling to pay. In the US, federal law does not require businesses to offer any sick pay at all, though some states, cities and counties do. Yet if employers rise to the challenge long Covid represents, they stand to gain — while helping people who have spent the past two years fighting to regain their health and livelihood to relaunch their careers. “Life changes — the person has to adapt to the condition. But their recovery is positive over time. They return to some kind of normality,” Swainson says.

fairly clearly it can result in biological insult, adversely effect equilibrium mental states, enjoyment of, the home in the head, experience of

a funny business isn’t it, the convenient slowness of understanding, you dig a little and you see something not entirely friendly of the forces of culture, how the raw materials of the social faculties are shaped and deployed, where ignorance is made to work with deception

I mean if I asked…

how is an enjoyable equilibrium mental state generated and sustained, few go on to demonstrate their ignorance regard that, but you might assume something does generate it

anyway the presumably healthy derr cunts that give you endemic covid, the perpetual pandemic, don’t expect any honesty from them, they won’t be taking any personal responsibility for what they promote

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-12/strawberry-farmer-loses-200k-as-pickers-go-into-covid-isolation/100977738

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

… you still can …

I don’t even have a clue what the rules are anymore. The last time junior and senior sprog got it, SWMBO and I also had to isolate.

I’d best look up what we are supposed to do now.

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

shrug I’m so over the concept of close contacts … I say let the festivities continue

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

She can stay outside, it’s not really cold at night yet anyway.

dv said:

ROFL

sibeen said:

I don’t even have a clue what the rules are anymore. The last time junior and senior sprog got it, SWMBO and I also had to isolate.

I’d best look up what we are supposed to do now.

I’m supposed to isolate for 7 days.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

I don’t even have a clue what the rules are anymore. The last time junior and senior sprog got it, SWMBO and I also had to isolate.

I’d best look up what we are supposed to do now.

I’m supposed to isolate for 7 days.

They started talking about ditching that about a month ago. Seems they never got around to doing it.

dv said:

Keep going…

dv said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

I don’t even have a clue what the rules are anymore. The last time junior and senior sprog got it, SWMBO and I also had to isolate.

I’d best look up what we are supposed to do now.

I’m supposed to isolate for 7 days.

those are the rules that mean people won’t test… so freaking stupid

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

I don’t even have a clue what the rules are anymore. The last time junior and senior sprog got it, SWMBO and I also had to isolate.

I’d best look up what we are supposed to do now.

I’m supposed to isolate for 7 days.

If it were me, I’d get the sprog to stay in her room and tell my guests that we have a covid positive person in the house; and if they happy to come over, we’re are happy to host them.

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

Oh dear.

Our painter tested positive to COVID last weekend, so couldn’t start on our house on Monday. At least he tested before he started…

dv said:

And?

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

Oh dear.

Our painter tested positive to COVID last weekend, so couldn’t start on our house on Monday. At least he tested before he started…

Shit eh

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

Oh dear.

Our painter tested positive to COVID last weekend, so couldn’t start on our house on Monday. At least he tested before he started…

is is painting inside or outside?

dv said:

dv said:

Same place or similar was on SBS news last night with people screaming out from the tower blocks they have no food, essentially prisoners

diddly-squat said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

FUCK IT!!

Junior sprog came down the stairs complaining about feeling unwell. I told her to do a RAT test (sic) – yep, she’s got Covid…again. We were supposed to have a heap of people around for Easter.

Oh dear.

Our painter tested positive to COVID last weekend, so couldn’t start on our house on Monday. At least he tested before he started…

is is painting inside or outside?

A bit of both.

Cymek said:

dv said:

dv said:

Same place or similar was on SBS news last night with people screaming out from the tower blocks they have no food, essentially prisoners

Remember How In Australia It Was The Most Privileged And Platformed Fuckwits Who Were Screaming About How Wronged They Were By Public Health Protections ¿

Well Humans In CHINA Aren’t Anything Like Humans In Australia, They Are Inferior To Our Superior Western Humans

Good News SARS-CoV-2 Is Diversifying So It’ll Be Just Like A Highly Pathogenic And Lethal Common Cold Every 3 Weeks With No Flock Immunity After All ¡

https://medriva.com/what-do-we-know-about-omicron-ba-4-and-ba-5/#gs.x4s43c

SCIENCE said:

Good News SARS-CoV-2 Is Diversifying So It’ll Be Just Like A Highly Pathogenic And Lethal Common Cold Every 3 Weeks With No Flock Immunity After All ¡

https://medriva.com/what-do-we-know-about-omicron-ba-4-and-ba-5/#gs.x4s43c

there’s stuff in there, presented as experts believe, that a sharp seven year old could not just understand, but probably approach the subject more intelligently

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News SARS-CoV-2 Is Diversifying So It’ll Be Just Like A Highly Pathogenic And Lethal Common Cold Every 3 Weeks With No Flock Immunity After All ¡

https://medriva.com/what-do-we-know-about-omicron-ba-4-and-ba-5/#gs.x4s43c

there’s stuff in there, presented as experts believe, that a sharp seven year old could not just understand, but probably approach the subject more intelligently

don’t worry, it’s all good, more vaccines will fix it

not found in post:

• prevention
• progress with limiting evolution by prevention
• best bet to keep up with evolution is to slow down evolution
• prevention is better than cure is better than hope
• prevention will reduce severity to zero which is better than keeping on going down with challenge

New Shanghai In Pennsylvania Brings In Crushing And Totalitarian Restrictions To Violate Human Rights

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-11/philadelphia-reimposes-indoor-mask-mandate

The reinstatement is the first among major U.S. cities and comes just over a month after it was officially lifted. A few colleges also have reimposed masking indoors, including Columbia University and Barnard College in New York and George Washington University in Washington.

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News SARS-CoV-2 Is Diversifying So It’ll Be Just Like A Highly Pathogenic And Lethal Common Cold Every 3 Weeks With No Flock Immunity After All ¡

https://medriva.com/what-do-we-know-about-omicron-ba-4-and-ba-5/#gs.x4s43c

there’s stuff in there, presented as experts believe, that a sharp seven year old could not just understand, but probably approach the subject more intelligently

don’t worry, it’s all good, more vaccines will fix it

not found in post:

• prevention
• progress with limiting evolution by prevention
• best bet to keep up with evolution is to slow down evolution
• prevention is better than cure is better than hope
• prevention will reduce severity to zero which is better than keeping on going down with challenge
  

much as that last image, what is wrote sounds alright, appears to make sense, it invites potential disaster, by way of inviting something to compare, more to compare

it’s not unlike drunkenness, intoxication

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

there’s stuff in there, presented as experts believe, that a sharp seven year old could not just understand, but probably approach the subject more intelligently

don’t worry, it’s all good, more vaccines will fix it

not found in post:

• prevention
• progress with limiting evolution by prevention
• best bet to keep up with evolution is to slow down evolution
• prevention is better than cure is better than hope
• prevention will reduce severity to zero which is better than keeping on going down with challenge
  

much as that last image, what is wrote sounds alright, appears to make sense, it invites potential disaster, by way of inviting something to compare, more to compare

it’s not unlike drunkenness, intoxication

More Vaccines WILL Fix It ¡

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/10/nasal-covid-vaccine/

That is leading scientists to rethink their strategy about the best way to fight future variants, by aiming for a higher level of protection: blocking infections altogether. If they succeed, the next vaccine could be a nasal spray.

ONE
oh sorry wait what we were never previously aiming to block infections altogether right hey fuck you

TWO
did you say block infections, oh let’s see, not mentioned in article: “mask”

Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

What’s so funny about Saskatoon? It means “place of many berries” in the local tribal language.

Spike Protein

SCIENCE said:

Spike Protein

ugh

Good News, Apparently

Transplants of immune cells that target the Epstein-Barr virus have shown promise for treating multiple sclerosis in an early stage trial. Brain scans suggest the progression of the condition was reversed in some participants, but this needs to be confirmed by larger trials.

so if you can front up $5000000 for experimental therapy then you could fix your 14% chance of LongCOVID¡

SCIENCE said:

Good News, Apparently

Transplants of immune cells that target the Epstein-Barr virus have shown promise for treating multiple sclerosis in an early stage trial. Brain scans suggest the progression of the condition was reversed in some participants, but this needs to be confirmed by larger trials.

so if you can front up $5000000 for experimental therapy then you could fix your 14% chance of LongCOVID¡

should be a walk in the park!

monkey skipper said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News, Apparently

Transplants of immune cells that target the Epstein-Barr virus have shown promise for treating multiple sclerosis in an early stage trial. Brain scans suggest the progression of the condition was reversed in some participants, but this needs to be confirmed by larger trials.

so if you can front up $5000000 for experimental therapy then you could fix your 14% chance of LongCOVID¡

should be a walk in the park!

we hear that a walk in the park is literally the most some people can do in a day for more than 6 months after catching this mild head cold thing

Laugh Out Loud

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

I went and had a PCR test today and have come back negative.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

I went and had a PCR test today and have come back negative.

may you continue to stay well

Trends What, What Was That Again ¿

SCIENCE said:

Trends What, What Was That Again ¿

more derr wild covid worship tied into vaccination, treadmill of evolving virus + vaccinations

no end to the nonsense

hear on the news tonight this State is near the covid peak, the media people developed a way of saying it way back as if the trend is down from the peak, we’re out the otherside of it, they worded it in such a way to tie it in with more relaxation of contagion prophylaxis, as if it were opportune

been going on for a while now this deception

and the reader I saw seemed aware of the deception

all went 1984 way back, no turning a turd that big around

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

I went and had a PCR test today and have come back negative.

Ah, so the way to do it is to be cured by the PCR…I didn’t know that was the cure.

;)

In Nineteen Plus One Eighty-Four Minus Sixty-Two, Preventing Death And Disease Is Now Authoritarian Dystopia ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-14/chinas-messy-covid-lockdown-in-shanghai/100985952

SCIENCE said:

In Nineteen Plus One Eighty-Four Minus Sixty-Two, Preventing Death And Disease Is Now Authoritarian Dystopia ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-14/chinas-messy-covid-lockdown-in-shanghai/100985952

certainly an evident angle, and attitude in that page

i’m reminded i’ve been enduring substantial self-imposed restrictions on social contacts since following christmas day, been and stayed away once for two days, got covid, that was over five weeks ago (likely from a shared secondary surface contact) and still haven’t properly recovered

the self-imposed restriction increased once I got covid, tightened up especially regard the possibility swapping air with my parents (for example), but the previous tightening was in response to the wild covid, releasing it, and nobody could know where it was, so the restriction were in response to the release of covid, the policy for wild covid

my point, if I have one, is that wild covid isn’t all a good story, and hardly a moral or philosophical grounds for liberal culture, or necessarily a good expression of it

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

In Nineteen Plus One Eighty-Four Minus Sixty-Two, Preventing Death And Disease Is Now Authoritarian Dystopia ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-14/chinas-messy-covid-lockdown-in-shanghai/100985952

certainly an evident angle, and attitude in that page

i’m reminded i’ve been enduring substantial self-imposed restrictions on social contacts since following christmas day, been and stayed away once for two days, got covid, that was over five weeks ago (likely from a shared secondary surface contact) and still haven’t properly recovered

the self-imposed restriction increased once I got covid, tightened up especially regard the possibility swapping air with my parents (for example), but the previous tightening was in response to the wild covid, releasing it, and nobody could know where it was, so the restriction were in response to the release of covid, the policy for wild covid

my point, if I have one, is that wild covid isn’t all a good story, and hardly a moral or philosophical grounds for liberal culture, or necessarily a good expression of it

Who else on the forum has had covid?

Just so you know,

One of my former CSIRO work colleagues died a month or two ago of omicron.

mollwollfumble said:

Just so you know,

One of my former CSIRO work colleagues died a month or two ago of omicron.

well we do wish it hadn’t been let RIP and continue to do so

I didn’t realize anyone was working on an inactivated whole virus vaccine.

https://valneva.com/research-development/covid-19-vla2001/

The link is to the people making it, so read with an eye to bias.

Laugh Out Loud

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

In Nineteen Plus One Eighty-Four Minus Sixty-Two, Preventing Death And Disease Is Now Authoritarian Dystopia ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-14/chinas-messy-covid-lockdown-in-shanghai/100985952

certainly an evident angle, and attitude in that page

i’m reminded i’ve been enduring substantial self-imposed restrictions on social contacts since following christmas day, been and stayed away once for two days, got covid, that was over five weeks ago (likely from a shared secondary surface contact) and still haven’t properly recovered

the self-imposed restriction increased once I got covid, tightened up especially regard the possibility swapping air with my parents (for example), but the previous tightening was in response to the wild covid, releasing it, and nobody could know where it was, so the restriction were in response to the release of covid, the policy for wild covid

my point, if I have one, is that wild covid isn’t all a good story, and hardly a moral or philosophical grounds for liberal culture, or necessarily a good expression of it

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/13/business/china-covid-zero-shanghai.html

The fear in China now is that the “zero Covid” policy has become another Mao-style political campaign that is based on the will of one person, the country’s top leader, Xi Jinping — and that it could end up hurting everyone.

excellent point, everyone wants to die

Interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-13/covid-test-98-per-cent-accurate-in-30-minutes-developers-claim/100986500

Michael V said:

Interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-13/covid-test-98-per-cent-accurate-in-30-minutes-developers-claim/100986500

if only preventative measures at least this effective were big news and deemed worthy of use

Author Uncovers Fraud In Trump Admin’s COVID Aid Deals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g8Q7ku4qf8

Even mild COVID can cause brain shrinkage and affect mental function, new study shows

For the first time, a new study has investigated the effects of mild COVID (that is, infection that doesn’t lead to a hospital admission) on the brain. The findings may further explain some of the brain changes contributing to long COVID.

Many people who have had COVID report feelings of “brain fog”, fatigue and problems with concentration and memory long after their initial symptoms resolve. These problems, collectively referred to as “long COVID”, may last for months even after mild infection.

Long COVID is very common, and may affect more than half of the people who catch COVID, even if they have a mild case.

Scientists collected data as part of the massive UK Biobank database. They looked at brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans and tests of brain function in 785 volunteers who were assessed before the pandemic. They then compared this to the same data collected three years later, when about half of those participants had mild COVID infection, and the other half had not caught COVID. This allowed the scientists to determine the specific effects of mild COVID infection on brain structure and function.

The group who had mild COVID an average of five months beforehand had thinning of brain tissue in several brain regions, ranging from 0.2% to around 2% compared to their pre-COVID scan. This is equivalent to between one and six years of normal brain ageing. Affected brain regions included the parahippocampal gyrus (an area related to memory) and the orbitofrontal cortex, which is located at the front of the brain and is important for smell and taste.

The post-COVID group also showed a reduction in overall brain size between their MRI scans that wasn’t seen in the non-COVID group, and had altered connections between different brain regions in the olfactory cortex, an area related to smell.

More:
https://theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-can-cause-brain-shrinkage-and-affect-mental-function-new-study-shows-178530

dv said:

meanwhile communism finally doing work

now even the richest residents in Shanghai are facing food shortages

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/shanghai-lockdown-covid-zero-elite-billionaire-fallout/100994540

PermeateFree said:

Even mild COVID can cause brain shrinkage and affect mental function, new study shows

More:
https://theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-can-cause-brain-shrinkage-and-affect-mental-function-new-study-shows-178530

WTYS

Proof: Electing Labor Reduces COVID-19 ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/sa-records-one-covid-death-and-3749-cases/100995206

South Australia records one COVID-linked death amid lowest daily caseload in weeks

PermeateFree said:

Even mild COVID can cause brain shrinkage and affect mental function, new study shows

For the first time, a new study has investigated the effects of mild COVID (that is, infection that doesn’t lead to a hospital admission) on the brain. The findings may further explain some of the brain changes contributing to long COVID.

Many people who have had COVID report feelings of “brain fog”, fatigue and problems with concentration and memory long after their initial symptoms resolve. These problems, collectively referred to as “long COVID”, may last for months even after mild infection.

Long COVID is very common, and may affect more than half of the people who catch COVID, even if they have a mild case.

Scientists collected data as part of the massive UK Biobank database. They looked at brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans and tests of brain function in 785 volunteers who were assessed before the pandemic. They then compared this to the same data collected three years later, when about half of those participants had mild COVID infection, and the other half had not caught COVID. This allowed the scientists to determine the specific effects of mild COVID infection on brain structure and function.

The group who had mild COVID an average of five months beforehand had thinning of brain tissue in several brain regions, ranging from 0.2% to around 2% compared to their pre-COVID scan. This is equivalent to between one and six years of normal brain ageing. Affected brain regions included the parahippocampal gyrus (an area related to memory) and the orbitofrontal cortex, which is located at the front of the brain and is important for smell and taste.

The post-COVID group also showed a reduction in overall brain size between their MRI scans that wasn’t seen in the non-COVID group, and had altered connections between different brain regions in the olfactory cortex, an area related to smell.

More:
https://theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-can-cause-brain-shrinkage-and-affect-mental-function-new-study-shows-178530

hardly appropriate to call it mild covid really, then, is it, but there it is, get some brain damage from your mild covid

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

meanwhile communism finally doing work

now even the richest residents in Shanghai are facing food shortages

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/shanghai-lockdown-covid-zero-elite-billionaire-fallout/100994540

funny word even isn’t it, what it can do, it can be used sort of negationally, what’s he even do, suggests nothing useful possibly, nothing much at all

in that page it’s meant to incline surprise

what I read of the rest of the page seemed like some appeal to envies of inequalities, even the wealthy get encouragements that way, you know if the wealthy even have to suffer food shortages it must be doubly triply ever-so bad

lots of reference to wealth in there, status too

I guess they are not as eager to get covid-induced brain damage as the ABC, who knows

How come nobody on this thread has mentioned “Shanghai” yet?

mollwollfumble said:

How come nobody on this thread has mentioned “Shanghai” yet?

incorrect

mollwollfumble said:

How come nobody on this thread has mentioned “Shanghai” yet?

No deaths yet, but cases through the roof – by Chinese standards.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

mentioned “Shanghai” yet?

No deaths yet,

Laugh Out Loud Sure

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

mentioned “Shanghai” yet?

No deaths yet,

Laugh Out Loud Sure

China is one of only 5 or so countries around the world that actually report covid statistics correctly.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

No deaths yet,

Laugh Out Loud Sure

China is one of only 5 or so countries around the world that actually report covid statistics correctly.

WTF. They don’t report asymptomatic cases at all, IIRC.

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Sure

China is one of only 5 or so countries around the world that actually report covid statistics correctly.

WTF. They don’t report asymptomatic cases at all, IIRC.

actually they report them quite comprehensively but

as far as deaths go there’s not really any comparison at the moment, we partially agree with mollwollfumble, given all the other idiots around the world not testing, calling it with, and so forth, their deaths reporting ain’t any worse

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

No deaths yet,

Laugh Out Loud Sure

China is one of only 5 or so countries around the world that actually report covid statistics correctly.

No.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud Sure

China is one of only 5 or so countries around the world that actually report covid statistics correctly.

No.

good point, that 5 should actually be 1 and we agree with Chris here

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

No deaths yet,

Laugh Out Loud Sure

China is one of only 5 or so countries around the world that actually report covid statistics correctly.

I would humbly suggest that there is absolutely no way you could know that, even if it was true.

The other jurisdictions that Moll claims are exemplars of accurate reporting will be very telling of his stupidity.