Date: 7/04/2022 19:58:29
From: dv
ID: 1870125
Subject: French politics

Yet another election in Europe…

The French Presidential election will be held on 10 April 2022. If, as seems likely, no one gets more than 50% of the vote, there will be a run off two weeks later.

At the moment it seems quite likely that Macron will be facing Marine Le Pen in the run off. The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin in the last few weeks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/02/french-far-right-leader-marine-le-pen-forced-to-defend-putin-links

But polling averages in the last month suggest that Macron is in for a serious fight, with Macron leading Le Pen only 53-47.

The parliamentary elections will be held in June.

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Date: 7/04/2022 20:22:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1870128
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:

The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin in the last few weeks.

Macron is in for a serious fight, with Macron leading Le Pen only 53-47.

so basically all the Ukraine fireworks are a diversion plus loyalty test, and Russia have pretty much already won

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Date: 7/04/2022 20:30:26
From: dv
ID: 1870133
Subject: re: French politics

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin in the last few weeks.

Macron is in for a serious fight, with Macron leading Le Pen only 53-47.

so basically all the Ukraine fireworks are a diversion plus loyalty test, and Russia have pretty much already won

I mean if Le Pen wins he’ll be 3 from 3.

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Date: 9/04/2022 11:41:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1870704
Subject: re: French politics

> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

I mean, he may be, but I haven’t heard it mentioned before.

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Date: 9/04/2022 12:03:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1870710
Subject: re: French politics

mollwollfumble said:


> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

I mean, he may be, but I haven’t heard it mentioned before.

Well, the sentence describes Le Pen as ‘far right’. It doesn’t say anything about what Putin is.

(But, i think that we all know what he is, eh?)

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Date: 9/04/2022 12:10:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1870712
Subject: re: French politics

captain_spalding said:


mollwollfumble said:

> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

I mean, he may be, but I haven’t heard it mentioned before.

Well, the sentence describes Le Pen as ‘far right’. It doesn’t say anything about what Putin is.

(But, i think that we all know what he is, eh?)

left of the international date line, though not that far left

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Date: 9/04/2022 12:14:05
From: party_pants
ID: 1870714
Subject: re: French politics

mollwollfumble said:


> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

I mean, he may be, but I haven’t heard it mentioned before.

He finances and promotes the far right in western countries, because the far right ideology is fundamentally opposed to democracy. The ideology is more along the lines of the rule of the strong over the weak.

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Date: 9/04/2022 14:51:56
From: dv
ID: 1870748
Subject: re: French politics

mollwollfumble said:


> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

Moll, serious question. Can you fuckin’ read?

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:00:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870749
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


mollwollfumble said:

> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

Moll, serious question. Can you fuckin’ read?

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:09:02
From: dv
ID: 1870750
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

Moll, serious question. Can you fuckin’ read?

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

Okay okay but my point in this instance is that I didn’t even imply Putin was far right. I described Le Pen as far right.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:11:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1870754
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

> The far right National Front leader has had to quickly cover her tracks relating to her close relationship with Putin

Since when has Putin been described as “far right”?

Moll, serious question. Can you fuckin’ read?

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

we are scum. they are scummier.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:16:27
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1870756
Subject: re: French politics

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Moll, serious question. Can you fuckin’ read?

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

we are scum. they are scummier.

Feel free to call yourself scum but it’s a bit rude to label the rest of us.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:26:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1870759
Subject: re: French politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

we are scum. they are scummier.

Feel free to call yourself scum but it’s a bit rude to label the rest of us.

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:26:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1870761
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Moll, serious question. Can you fuckin’ read?

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

Okay okay but my point in this instance is that I didn’t even imply Putin was far right. I described Le Pen as far right.

I got that. Don’t know why Moll didn’t.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:27:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870762
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

we are scum. they are scummier.

Feel free to call yourself scum but it’s a bit rude to label the rest of us.

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

Heh :)

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:27:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870763
Subject: re: French politics

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Moll is convinced that the Russian media are truthful and the Western media are never to be trusted.

I don’t know how people’s perceptions become so easily and grossly distorted, but there’s a lot of it about these days.

Okay okay but my point in this instance is that I didn’t even imply Putin was far right. I described Le Pen as far right.

I got that. Don’t know why Moll didn’t.

OTOH, Putin is indeed far right.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:30:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1870765
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

we are scum. they are scummier.

Feel free to call yourself scum but it’s a bit rude to label the rest of us.

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

I feel a lot less scummy now the refugee problem has been solved almost overnight.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:32:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1870767
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

we are scum. they are scummier.

Feel free to call yourself scum but it’s a bit rude to label the rest of us.

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

I’m not.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:43:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1870770
Subject: re: French politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Feel free to call yourself scum but it’s a bit rude to label the rest of us.

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

I feel a lot less scummy now the refugee problem has been solved almost overnight.

But seriously, I don’t think we need to feel personally scummy when the government of the day does stuff we don’t approve of.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:51:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870771
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

I feel a lot less scummy now the refugee problem has been solved almost overnight.

But seriously, I don’t think we need to feel personally scummy when the government of the day does stuff we don’t approve of.

Most members of this forum are more-or-less reliably on the side of the angels.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:51:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1870772
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Okay okay but my point in this instance is that I didn’t even imply Putin was far right. I described Le Pen as far right.

I got that. Don’t know why Moll didn’t.

OTOH, Putin is indeed far right.

He’s about as far right as one could possibly get.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:52:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1870773
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

I feel a lot less scummy now the refugee problem has been solved almost overnight.

But seriously, I don’t think we need to feel personally scummy when the government of the day does stuff we don’t approve of.

Most members of this forum are more-or-less reliably on the side of the angels.

So which ones aren’t?

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:54:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1870774
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Okay okay but my point in this instance is that I didn’t even imply Putin was far right. I described Le Pen as far right.

I got that. Don’t know why Moll didn’t.

OTOH, Putin is indeed far right.

That may well have a pouce of truth to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Units_of_measurement_in_France_before_the_French_Revolution

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:55:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1870775
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I am, You are,
We are Scumtralians.

I feel a lot less scummy now the refugee problem has been solved almost overnight.

But seriously, I don’t think we need to feel personally scummy when the government of the day does stuff we don’t approve of.

I’m sure there are some fat, sweety grandmothers in Russia too.

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Date: 9/04/2022 15:56:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870776
Subject: re: French politics

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But seriously, I don’t think we need to feel personally scummy when the government of the day does stuff we don’t approve of.

Most members of this forum are more-or-less reliably on the side of the angels.

So which ones aren’t?

That’s obviously a matter of individual opinion.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:00:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1870777
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Most members of this forum are more-or-less reliably on the side of the angels.

So which ones aren’t?

That’s obviously a matter of the individual angel’s opinion.

fixed.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:03:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870778
Subject: re: French politics

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

I feel a lot less scummy now the refugee problem has been solved almost overnight.

But seriously, I don’t think we need to feel personally scummy when the government of the day does stuff we don’t approve of.

I’m sure there are some fat, sweety grandmothers in Russia too.

There are many nice people in Russia, but we have to bear in mind that they are particularly misled and misinformed, and moreover from a position in which being misled and misinformed has been a very long cultural tradition.

Also, it’s an extremely corrupt system not just at the top, but all the way through. So even amongst those who are not gullible, there’s a tradition of being dishonest to get ahead, and regarding honesty not as a virtue but a weakness of losers.

This is why we see so many “middle class, educated” Russians willing to work for the regime, and lying through their teeth to the Western world without apparent personal embarrassment.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:43:39
From: dv
ID: 1870785
Subject: re: French politics

I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:46:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870788
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

Yeah, we have to remember those people. While despairing that there aren’t enough of them.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:48:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1870789
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

Don’t feel bad, I doubt anyone here would face 15 years in prison for some principle.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:50:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870791
Subject: re: French politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

Don’t feel bad, I doubt anyone here would face 15 years in prison for some principle.

Well, you’ve shown you’re happy to repeat the Russian lies.

LOL

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:52:42
From: party_pants
ID: 1870792
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

Yeah, we have to remember those people. While despairing that there aren’t enough of them.

We (the democratic nations) need to make it relatively easy for those Russians who want to leave and make a new life for themselves in the west to do so. The brain drain will further weaken Russia and compound their demographics problem.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:55:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1870794
Subject: re: French politics

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

Yeah, we have to remember those people. While despairing that there aren’t enough of them.

We (the democratic nations) need to make it relatively easy for those Russians who want to leave and make a new life for themselves in the west to do so. The brain drain will further weaken Russia and compound their demographics problem.

I imagine when it becomes too debilitating the Kremlin will revert to communist practice and just not let them leave.

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Date: 9/04/2022 16:57:26
From: party_pants
ID: 1870799
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Yeah, we have to remember those people. While despairing that there aren’t enough of them.

We (the democratic nations) need to make it relatively easy for those Russians who want to leave and make a new life for themselves in the west to do so. The brain drain will further weaken Russia and compound their demographics problem.

I imagine when it becomes too debilitating the Kremlin will revert to communist practice and just not let them leave.

Yes. We need to make them waste resources in internal policing and security keeping the regime in power rather than building up their military strength for another foray into sovereign nations who want nothing to do with them. It won’t be much fun for the Russians stuck at home.

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Date: 9/04/2022 17:41:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1870811
Subject: re: French politics

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

I mean there are tens of thousands of Russians who’ve been arrested and face up to 15 years in prison to protest the war, which in all honesty is more than I’d do.

Don’t feel bad, I doubt anyone here would face 15 years in prison for some principle.

is it possible they may be more inclined to do so if their lifestyles were already being fucked by foreign sanctions

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Date: 11/04/2022 05:55:13
From: dv
ID: 1871401
Subject: re: French politics

Macron, France’s current president, appears poised to take 28.6% of the votes, putting him in first place, according to an analysis conducted by pollster IFOP-Fiducial for French broadcasters TF1 and LCI. Le Pen, a long-time standard-bearer for the French far-right, is on track to come second with 23.6%

.

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Date: 21/04/2022 23:01:29
From: dv
ID: 1875362
Subject: re: French politics

The runoff election between Le Pen and Macron takes place this weekend. Macron has had some better polling this week, averaging 56-44

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Date: 21/04/2022 23:02:41
From: party_pants
ID: 1875363
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


The runoff election between Le Pen and Macron takes place this weekend. Macron has had some better polling this week, averaging 56-44

I hope so. If Le Pen gets it then I have lost hope for democratic western Europe.

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Date: 25/04/2022 04:51:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1876783
Subject: re: French politics

Early projections show French President Emmanuel Macron is re-elected for a second term, defeating his far-right challenger Marine Le Pen.

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Date: 25/04/2022 05:40:57
From: dv
ID: 1876784
Subject: re: French politics

roughbarked said:


Early projections show French President Emmanuel Macron is re-elected for a second term, defeating his far-right challenger Marine Le Pen.

Well there’s some good news

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Date: 25/04/2022 09:28:05
From: party_pants
ID: 1876810
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Early projections show French President Emmanuel Macron is re-elected for a second term, defeating his far-right challenger Marine Le Pen.

Well there’s some good news

Yes. The left hate Macron, but they were savvy enough to rally their supporters to go out and vote for him anyway to block Le Pen.

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Date: 25/04/2022 18:54:31
From: Kingy
ID: 1877056
Subject: re: French politics

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Date: 25/04/2022 19:01:47
From: dv
ID: 1877057
Subject: re: French politics

Kingy said:



This is among supporters of another candidate, Melenchon, from the left-wing LFI.

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Date: 25/04/2022 19:09:24
From: dv
ID: 1877060
Subject: re: French politics

Remarkable how these new parties have quickly replaced the old guard. Ten years ago the Socialist Party candidate became president. This time, SP got 2% of the vote. Similarly, former President Sarkozy’s party only got 5%.

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Date: 26/04/2022 11:12:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1877218
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Early projections show French President Emmanuel Macron is re-elected for a second term, defeating his far-right challenger Marine Le Pen.

Well there’s some good news

I see we are ignoring the good news of having to put up with that Macron guy for another few years.

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Date: 26/04/2022 12:03:54
From: dv
ID: 1877226
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Early projections show French President Emmanuel Macron is re-elected for a second term, defeating his far-right challenger Marine Le Pen.

Well there’s some good news

I see we are ignoring the good news of having to put up with that Macron guy for another few years.

Everything is relative

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Date: 26/04/2022 12:11:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1877233
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Well there’s some good news

I see we are ignoring the good news of having to put up with that Macron guy for another few years.

Everything is relative

has the window shifted over a ton yet

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Date: 26/04/2022 13:21:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1877254
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Well there’s some good news

I see we are ignoring the good news of having to put up with that Macron guy for another few years.

Everything is relative

True.

And welcome back :)

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Date: 26/04/2022 13:22:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1877255
Subject: re: French politics

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see we are ignoring the good news of having to put up with that Macron guy for another few years.

Everything is relative

True.

And welcome back :)

Let’s not go overboard there, pilgrim.

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Date: 8/06/2022 13:57:07
From: dv
ID: 1893713
Subject: re: French politics

French parliamentary elections occur this month: first round on 12 June, and then any runoffs on 19 June.

Four left wing parties have formed a strategic parliamentary alliance called NUPES (Nouvelle Union Populaire écologique et sociale) ensuring that each seat only has 1 left wing candidate running to avoid the spoiler effect.

Quite probably Macronist parties will retain a majority.

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Date: 19/06/2022 21:37:48
From: dv
ID: 1898710
Subject: re: French politics

Today will see the French parliamentary runoff elections. It is anticipated that Macron’s Ensemble alliance will lose some seats but still retain a majority.

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Date: 20/06/2022 10:20:48
From: dv
ID: 1898814
Subject: re: French politics

Macron’s Ensemble alliance did rather worse than anticipated, with the big NUPES left wing alliance becoming the second biggest group, and the centre-right UDC losing ground to the National Front. I would assume that Ensemble would probably pook to UDC’s aid to govern.

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Date: 20/06/2022 10:23:39
From: sibeen
ID: 1898816
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


Macron’s Ensemble alliance did rather worse than anticipated, with the big NUPES left wing alliance becoming the second biggest group, and the centre-right UDC losing ground to the National Front. I would assume that Ensemble would probably pook to UDC’s aid to govern.

Le Pen will be cock-a-hoop. This gives her a lot more visibility, plus funding.

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Date: 20/06/2022 10:36:19
From: dv
ID: 1898822
Subject: re: French politics

sibeen said:


dv said:

Macron’s Ensemble alliance did rather worse than anticipated, with the big NUPES left wing alliance becoming the second biggest group, and the centre-right UDC losing ground to the National Front. I would assume that Ensemble would probably pook to UDC’s aid to govern.

Le Pen will be cock-a-hoop. This gives her a lot more visibility, plus funding.

No doubt, no doubt.

Makes for an interesting map.

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Date: 25/03/2023 21:07:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2012327
Subject: re: French politics

In Russia, a Watch Vanishes Up Kirill’s Sleeve – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/world/europe/in-russia-a-watch-vanishes-up-orthodox-leaders-sleeve.html

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Date: 25/03/2023 21:34:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2012347
Subject: re: French politics

The Russians have something of a history at this.

In this famous photo (Berlin, 1945)

we can clearly see that the Russian officer below the soldier with the flag is wearing a watch on each wrist.

This shows up in some other photos of the same group taken at this time.

But, in this photo

the watch on his right wrist has been removed from the image.

Russian soldiers had a passion for looting watches on their way through Germany, and some had five or six watches attached to each arm.

Russian authorities were well aware of this, and believed that the original of the photo tended to confirm that the soldiers of the Peoples’ Army did have rather larcenous inclinations, and so ordered the air-brushing.

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Date: 17/05/2023 01:04:05
From: dv
ID: 2032141
Subject: re: French politics

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Date: 17/05/2023 08:47:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2032149
Subject: re: French politics

Albanese said Joe called him this morning.
However he didn’t say what he called him.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:07:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2032151
Subject: re: French politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Albanese said Joe called him this morning.
However he didn’t say what he called him.

My sister just called from France to wish me a happy birthday.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:17:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2032153
Subject: re: French politics

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Albanese said Joe called him this morning.
However he didn’t say what he called him.

My sister just called from France to wish me a happy birthday.

I hope you said Merci mais vous avez un jour de retard.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:24:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2032155
Subject: re: French politics

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Albanese said Joe called him this morning.
However he didn’t say what he called him.

My sister just called from France to wish me a happy birthday.

I hope you said Merci mais vous avez un jour de retard.

Eh bien, c’était probablement encore hier là-bas.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:30:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 2032161
Subject: re: French politics

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

My sister just called from France to wish me a happy birthday.

I hope you said Merci mais vous avez un jour de retard.

Eh bien, c’était probablement encore hier là-bas.

Je n’ai pas de crise cardiaque, j’arrive juste tôt (bien plus tôt que d’habitude !) It is still the 16th here.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:36:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2032166
Subject: re: French politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

I hope you said Merci mais vous avez un jour de retard.

Eh bien, c’était probablement encore hier là-bas.

Je n’ai pas de crise cardiaque, j’arrive juste tôt (bien plus tôt que d’habitude !) It is still the 16th here.

Stable comme elle va, alors.

Any news from Norway?

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:39:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2032168
Subject: re: French politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Eh bien, c’était probablement encore hier là-bas.

Je n’ai pas de crise cardiaque, j’arrive juste tôt (bien plus tôt que d’habitude !) It is still the 16th here.

Stable comme elle va, alors.

Any news from Norway?

Birthday wishes, yes. The news is still drastic in relation to the anorexic teen.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:43:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2032170
Subject: re: French politics

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Je n’ai pas de crise cardiaque, j’arrive juste tôt (bien plus tôt que d’habitude !) It is still the 16th here.

Stable comme elle va, alors.

Any news from Norway?

Birthday wishes, yes. The news is still drastic in relation to the anorexic teen.

I assume that she’s in the best of care, and that’s where the struggle really starts. First step is to come back from the edge, which, fortunately, so many of them do.

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Date: 17/05/2023 09:49:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2032171
Subject: re: French politics

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Stable comme elle va, alors.

Any news from Norway?

Birthday wishes, yes. The news is still drastic in relation to the anorexic teen.

I assume that she’s in the best of care, and that’s where the struggle really starts. First step is to come back from the edge, which, fortunately, so many of them do.

We can hope so.

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:00:31
From: dv
ID: 2039248
Subject: re: French politics

Country passes law to regulate paid influencers, combat fraud
ByEmmanuelle Saliba
Friday, June 2, 2023 5:39AM

General view of the French National Assembly chamber in Paris, May 9, 2023.
ABCNews
France is now the first country in Europe to regulate influencer marketing on social media, cracking down on what people can monetize and promote online with a new law passed on Thursday.

“The law was passed in record time and unanimously, which shows how much support it had in both government and parliament,” Stéphane Vojetta, one of the French legislators who championed this new bill, told ABC News. “There was a clear understanding of the need to urgently respond to the challenge at hand.”

Influencer marketing is a form of social media marketing that involves people leveraging their reputation to endorse products or services in exchange for money.

There are an estimated 150,000 influencers creating content on social media aimed at a French audience, according to France’s Ministry of Economics, Finance and Industrial and Digital Sovereignty.

This new law makes it unlawful for influencers to create paid content promoting cosmetic surgeries, online sports betting sites or financial products like cryptocurrencies.

Influencers and companies caught violating the law could face up to two years in prison and 300,000 euros ($330,000) in fines, and see their ability to post on platforms potentially be revoked, according to the text of the bill.

Until Thursday, no law in France directly regulated commercial activity on social media leaving consumers vulnerable to scams and frauds.

Influencers will now be required to label all paid content, adding extra disclaimers if the content has been filtered or edited.

The law also closes an existing loophole when it comes to online advertisement, Vojetta tells ABC News. Now, content creators will have to abide by existing French advertising laws when it comes to the promotion of products and services.

For example, posts promoting sodas or processed food will have to include a message reminding consumers to undertake physical activity, similar to how it would be done on television.

The Senate unanimously adopted the law and will go into effect within the next two weeks. The Ministry of Economics and Finance has already released guidance for paid influencers on how to operate lawfully moving forward.

“It is a sector in which we believe in because it creates jobs and because it values French culture and creativity,” said Bruno Le Maire, the French economic minister, describing the influencer economy at a press conference in March.

“The best way to protect it is to define a framework and rules so that in this dynamic sector, there are no profiteers, stowaways, or people who can take advantage of the weakness of certain consumers,” Bruno Le Maire said.

Over 42 million consumers in France purchase goods or services online, according to a report by the government’s Directorate General for Enterprise.

https://abc7.com/country-passes-law-to-regulate-paid-influencers-combat-fraud-/13329698/

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Date: 12/06/2024 02:26:53
From: dv
ID: 2164064
Subject: re: French politics

Quite a gamble by Macron in calling an election at this time.

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Date: 24/06/2024 13:57:02
From: dv
ID: 2167806
Subject: re: French politics

The far right National Rally are now way ahead of all others in the polls, ahead of the upcoming legislative election. Macron will still be President no matter what happens but his Ensemble will be in a weaker position in the parliament.

Macron shocked a lot of people by calling an early election at a time when the French right did so well in the European elections. Kind of playing a game of chicken with the voting public I suppose.

Current poll average for National Rally is around 34% and it is worthwhile pointing out that if France had a British-style first pass the post system, the NR would probably end with a majority of seats. As it is, France has a two-round system that may still leave NR as the single biggest party in parliament, but with Ensemble having the possibility of doing deals with the Left to get legislation through.

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Date: 30/06/2024 16:07:17
From: dv
ID: 2170118
Subject: re: French politics

Got to love French politics. In Australia the extremes in parliament are represented by One Nation and the Greens, whereas in France there are seats held by genuine Fash and Communists.

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Date: 1/07/2024 08:08:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2170316
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:

The far right National Rally are now way ahead of all others in the polls, ahead of the upcoming legislative election. Macron will still be President no matter what happens but his Ensemble will be in a weaker position in the parliament.

Macron shocked a lot of people by calling an early election at a time when the French right did so well in the European elections. Kind of playing a game of chicken with the voting public I suppose.

Current poll average for National Rally is around 34% and it is worthwhile pointing out that if France had a British-style first pass the post system, the NR would probably end with a majority of seats. As it is, France has a two-round system that may still leave NR as the single biggest party in parliament, but with Ensemble having the possibility of doing deals with the Left to get legislation through.

National Rally party has secured the first round of France’s parliamentary elections, with 34 per cent

Macron’s centrist Renaissance party has taken 20.3 per cent.

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Date: 1/07/2024 20:31:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2170505
Subject: re: French politics

Now do

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-01/meta-shuts-down-pro-russian-facebook-pages-in-uk-elections/104045286

French election¡

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Date: 1/07/2024 23:41:45
From: dv
ID: 2170536
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


The far right National Rally are now way ahead of all others in the polls, ahead of the upcoming legislative election. Macron will still be President no matter what happens but his Ensemble will be in a weaker position in the parliament.

Macron shocked a lot of people by calling an early election at a time when the French right did so well in the European elections. Kind of playing a game of chicken with the voting public I suppose.

Current poll average for National Rally is around 34% and it is worthwhile pointing out that if France had a British-style first pass the post system, the NR would probably end with a majority of seats. As it is, France has a two-round system that may still leave NR as the single biggest party in parliament, but with Ensemble having the possibility of doing deals with the Left to get legislation through.

Well that’s basically how it went.

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Date: 1/07/2024 23:47:45
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2170537
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


dv said:

The far right National Rally are now way ahead of all others in the polls, ahead of the upcoming legislative election. Macron will still be President no matter what happens but his Ensemble will be in a weaker position in the parliament.

Macron shocked a lot of people by calling an early election at a time when the French right did so well in the European elections. Kind of playing a game of chicken with the voting public I suppose.

Current poll average for National Rally is around 34% and it is worthwhile pointing out that if France had a British-style first pass the post system, the NR would probably end with a majority of seats. As it is, France has a two-round system that may still leave NR as the single biggest party in parliament, but with Ensemble having the possibility of doing deals with the Left to get legislation through.

Well that’s basically how it went.

Fast forward to 2027 in Macron’s 4D chess game where he plays the inevitable “see I told you so” move

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Date: 8/07/2024 05:25:33
From: dv
ID: 2172656
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


dv said:

The far right National Rally are now way ahead of all others in the polls, ahead of the upcoming legislative election. Macron will still be President no matter what happens but his Ensemble will be in a weaker position in the parliament.

Macron shocked a lot of people by calling an early election at a time when the French right did so well in the European elections. Kind of playing a game of chicken with the voting public I suppose.

Current poll average for National Rally is around 34% and it is worthwhile pointing out that if France had a British-style first pass the post system, the NR would probably end with a majority of seats. As it is, France has a two-round system that may still leave NR as the single biggest party in parliament, but with Ensemble having the possibility of doing deals with the Left to get legislation through.

Well that’s basically how it went.

Results of the second around appear a bit better than expected, with the Left Alliance leading and the Far Right in third place, but no bloc reaching a majority.

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The first projections after polls closed in France’s legislative election have the populist, anti-immigration National Rally party falling behind an alliance of left-wing parties and candidates from President Emmanuel Macron’s centrist movement. French voters appear to have mobilized to prevent the first far-right government since World War II. Without any party getting a majority, however, the result could be political deadlock just ahead of the Paris Olympics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/07/france-election-updates-results/

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Date: 10/07/2024 10:16:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2173334
Subject: re: French politics

Peak Warming Man said:

Just as I predicted yesterday Spain beat France to go through to the final

Ah, Francisco Franco, Makes Sense

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Date: 10/07/2024 13:18:01
From: Ian
ID: 2173367
Subject: re: French politics

I’m glad someone revived this thread..

I hadn’t seen..

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Date: 10/07/2024 13:21:56
From: Ian
ID: 2173370
Subject: re: French politics

Ian said:


I’m glad someone revived this thread..

I hadn’t seen..


It’s a good that these little squabbles between neighbours are a thing of the past.

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Date: 10/07/2024 13:28:42
From: Ian
ID: 2173373
Subject: re: French politics

It’s not all together clear where the balance of power goes now..

France’s leftist coalition demands the right to form a government after fractured parliament vote

The leftist coalition that won the most seats in France’s National Assembly in surprise results demanded on Tuesday the immediate right to form a government, even though no grouping won a majority of seats.

It is unprecedented in France’s modern history to have a fractured parliament. Sunday’s vote raised the risk of paralysis for the European Union’s second-largest economy. The legislature is split between the New Popular Front leftist coalition, President Emmanuel Macron’s centrist allies and the far-right National Rally.

Macron on Monday asked his prime minister, Gabriel Attal, to continue handling day-to-day affairs, despite Attal’s offer of resignation, less than three weeks before the start of the Paris Olympics. Macron leaves Wednesday for a NATO summit in Washington.

The leftist coalition’s three main parties — the hard-left France Unbowed, the Socialists and the Greens — began negotiations to find a candidate for prime minister. The coalition in a statement called on Macron to “immediately turn to the New Popular Front” and allow it to form a government. It said the “prolonged retention” of Attal could be seen as an attempt to erase the election results.

“We solemnly warn the president of the republic against any attempts to hijack the institutions,” the statement said, adding: “If the president continues to ignore the results it will amount to betrayal of our constitution and a coup against democracy, which we will strongly oppose.”

The leftist coalition includes France’s former Socialist President Francois Hollande, who has made an unexpected comeback on the political stage as one of the most prominent candidates in the elections, winning a seat in his hometown. He’s seen as a key player but didn’t speak to journalists as he joined fellow members of the Socialist party.

The New Popular Front “is the leading Republican force in this country and it is therefore its responsibility to form a government … to implement the public policies expected by the French people,” Green lawmaker Cyrielle Chatelain said.

Talks within the leftist coalition are complicated by internal divisions now that the goal for its hurried formation in recent days — keeping the far right from power in France — has been achieved.

Some are pushing for a hard-left figure for prime minister, while others closer to the center-left prefer a more consensual personality. France’s prime minister is accountable to parliament and can be ousted through a no-confidence vote.

“France Unbowed lawmakers are going into the National Assembly not as an opposition force … but as a force that intends to govern the country,” hard-left lawmaker Mathilde Panot said.

The top negotiator for the Socialist party, Johanna Rolland, said the future prime minister won’t be Jean-Luc Mélenchon, the divisive hard-left founder of France Unbowed who has angered many moderates. Mélenchon, who did not run in the legislative elections, joined the talks at the National Assembly.

Speaking on France 2 television, Rolland suggested the leftist coalition could work with center-left members of Macron’s alliance.

Some were accepting the need to make deals and get along.

“In my view, the French people sent us a clear message. They did not want to give an absolute majority to any specific political bloc so they’re ordering us to listen to one another, work together and that’s what we need to do,” said Yael Braun-Pivet, a member of Macron’s centrist alliance and former president of the National Assembly.

According to official results, all three main blocs fell far short of the 289 seats needed to control the 577-seat National Assembly, the more powerful of France’s two legislative chambers.

The results showed just over 180 seats for the New Popular Front, more than 160 for Macron’s centrist alliance and more than 140 for the far-right National Rally party of Marine Le Pen.

Macron has three years remaining in his presidential term.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/newly-elected-french-lawmakers-enter-talks-form-government-111769092

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Date: 10/07/2024 13:30:11
From: Cymek
ID: 2173375
Subject: re: French politics

Ian said:


Ian said:

I’m glad someone revived this thread..

I hadn’t seen..


It’s a good that these little squabbles between neighbours are a thing of the past.

Imagine if Pangea still existed we’d all have lots of neighbours

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Date: 10/07/2024 15:01:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2173393
Subject: re: French politics

Ian said:


I’m glad someone revived this thread..

I hadn’t seen..


That’s the unedited version of that pic.

The edited version of it has the wristwatch (or, perhaps, a wrist compass) deletedfrom the right wrist of Sgt. Ismailov (wearing the flat cap, below the Private Kovalev with the flag).

Although looting was punishable by execution, wristwatches were prime targets for Russian soldiers, the first things they took from dead, prisoners, or civilians. There’s reports of Russian soldiers with 5 or 6 watches on each wrist.

The photographer edited the ‘extra’ item out so asto avoid accusations against the sergeant. He also added distant smoke into the ‘revised’ pic, to make it more dramatic.

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Date: 10/07/2024 16:48:00
From: Ian
ID: 2173423
Subject: re: French politics

captain_spalding said:


Ian said:

I’m glad someone revived this thread..

I hadn’t seen..


That’s the unedited version of that pic.

The edited version of it has the wristwatch (or, perhaps, a wrist compass) deletedfrom the right wrist of Sgt. Ismailov (wearing the flat cap, below the Private Kovalev with the flag).

Although looting was punishable by execution, wristwatches were prime targets for Russian soldiers, the first things they took from dead, prisoners, or civilians. There’s reports of Russian soldiers with 5 or 6 watches on each wrist.

The photographer edited the ‘extra’ item out so asto avoid accusations against the sergeant. He also added distant smoke into the ‘revised’ pic, to make it more dramatic.

IKR.

I wonder if the guy with the flag volunteered for the job.

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Date: 22/07/2024 13:08:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2178038
Subject: re: French politics

https://x.com/bmay/status/1815057091322647012

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Date: 23/07/2024 20:07:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2178437
Subject: re: French politics

“We are encouraging them, if they go out of the Village, not to go out on their own, not to wear team uniform, just to wear plain clothes and we’re just waiting on further information on the actual case itself.”

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Date: 8/12/2024 09:12:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223365
Subject: re: French politics

Notre Dame Goes Woke

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/notre-dame-reopens-with-star-studded-opening-ceremony/104698558

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Date: 8/01/2025 10:49:03
From: dv
ID: 2234230
Subject: re: French politics

Jean-Marie Le Pen has died, aged 96.

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Date: 8/01/2025 10:57:13
From: party_pants
ID: 2234232
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:

Jean-Marie Le Pen has died, aged 96.

about fucking time too, old bastard.

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Date: 6/03/2025 15:27:15
From: dv
ID: 2257491
Subject: re: French politics

https://www.9news.com.au/world/french-president-flags-sharing-nuclear-weapons-with-europe/21efee8a-2b65-46db-b5e7-ffe7d96a4be1

Macron says he’ll confer with allies on protecting Europe with French nuclear deterrence

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Date: 1/04/2025 06:59:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2267170
Subject: re: French politics

Certainly a setback for Le Pen’s political ambitions but this might be a blessing in disguise for her party. Party president Joseph Bardella, young, gay, good looking might appeal at the presidential election in a way that Le Pen, still tainted by her connections to her father, never could:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Bardella

French hard-right leader Le Pen banned from presidential run following conviction

By Rob Harris
Updated April 1, 2025 — 5.53am

Key points
- Marine Le Pen barred from running for public office for five years, meaning she cannot run in the 2027 French presidential election
- She was found guilty of embezzling European funds to finance her French far-right National Rally party
- The three times candidate was given a four-year prison sentence – two years will be spent with an electronic tag rather than in custody, while the other two are suspended

London: Marine Le Pen, the French hard-right leader and frontrunner to become the country’s next president, has vowed to “fight until the bitter end” after a court banned her from standing for office for five years for embezzling European Union funds.

In a ruling that potentially inflames the French political landscape, the court also sentenced Le Pen to four years in prison, with two years suspended and the other two to be served under a form of house arrest with an electronic bracelet. The decision means Le Pen, who had long been seen as a leading contender to succeed President Emmanuel Macron, will be excluded from the race when his term ends in 2027.

The court found on Monday that Le Pen had played a central role in organising a so-called fake jobs system that allowed the illegal payments to be funnelled to party insiders. While she did not personally profit from the scheme, judges noted that it allowed a small group of senior party figures, including Le Pen’s father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, to benefit from “a certain financial comfort”.

Le Pen told French broadcaster TF1 she would pursue an appeal process as “forcefully” as she could, claiming the court “sought to deliberately block me” from being the next president.

Insisting she was not demoralised, Le Pen said on Tuesday (AEDT) she felt “scandalised by the decision”.

“There are millions of French people who believe in me. I’ve been fighting for you for 30 years,” she said. “This feeling of injustice, is an additional push to the fight that I fight for them .”

Le Pen, who was a member of the European Parliament at the time, and 24 other officials from her National Rally party were accused of having used money intended for European Union parliamentary aides to pay staff who worked for the party between 2004 and 2016, in violation of the 27-nation bloc’s regulations. Le Pen and her co-defendants denied wrongdoing.

Dressed in a white blouse and blue jacket, she sat mostly stone-faced during the proceedings but was visibly shaking her head in disapproval as the verdict was being read, according to reports. Upon hearing the immediate ban on her candidacy, she stood up and left the courtroom without addressing reporters.

The judge handed down guilty verdicts to eight other current or former members of her party who, like her, previously served as elected members in the European Parliament.

At the heart of the case was the misuse of €4.4 million ($7.5 million) in EU funds intended to pay assistants for members of the European Parliament. Instead, the court found that Le Pen and her allies used the money to pay party staffers in France who were not engaged in official parliamentary work. She was also fined €100,000.

“There was no personal enrichment … but there was the enrichment of a party,” Judge Benedicte de Perthuis said, claiming it went against party financing rules.

“Let’s be clear: no one is on trial for doing politics, that’s not the issue. The issue was whether or not the contracts had been executed… It is necessary to ensure that elected officials do not benefit from preferential treatment.”

The 56-year-old has been a looming presence in French politics over the past decade, capitalising on anti-immigration sentiment to become a force to be reckoned with. With the populist right on the rise in much of Europe, the three-time presidential candidate had hoped to finally secure power in the 2027 contest.

An opinion poll on the presidential election published on Sunday gave Le Pen 34 to 37 per cent of the vote, more than 10 points ahead of her nearest rival.

Her party has been at the forefront of debates on national identity, immigration and Islam’s place in French society. Her rhetoric has attracted millions of supporters, particularly for her hardline stance on secularism and the visibility of religious symbols, including the Muslim headscarf.

During the nine-week trial that took place in late 2024, she argued that ineligibility “would have the effect of depriving me of being a presidential candidate” and disenfranchise her supporters.

She will continue to serve as an MP for Pas-de-Calais in northern France, but will not be able to stand in legislative elections in the event of another dissolution of parliament in the near future.

Jordan Bardella, Le Pen’s close ally and now her likely replacement in the 2027 French presidential election, condemned the verdict, accusing the judiciary of undermining democracy.

“Today it’s not only Marine Le Pen that has been unjustly condemned. It’s French democracy that’s being executed,” Bardella said in a statement.

Other figures also expressed their solidarity. Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, a supporter of Le Pen, took to social media to declare, “Je suis Marine!”

Elon Musk, one of US President Donald Trump’s closest allies, posted on his social media site X that “the radical left… abuse the legal system to jail their opponents”.

“This is their standard playbook throughout the world,” he said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said that “more and more European capitals are going down the path of trampling democratic norms”.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/far-right-leader-marine-le-pen-found-guilty-of-embezzlement-20250331-p5lo1u.html

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Date: 1/04/2025 07:01:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2267171
Subject: re: French politics

Ooops.. Bradella’s not gay. I’m confusing my French pollies.

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Date: 1/04/2025 07:13:15
From: buffy
ID: 2267172
Subject: re: French politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Ooops.. Bradella’s not gay. I’m confusing my French pollies.

That did read oddly…not sure far rights are very tolerant of difference of any sort.

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Date: 1/04/2025 07:33:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2267173
Subject: re: French politics

buffy said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Ooops.. Bradella’s not gay. I’m confusing my French pollies.

That did read oddly…not sure far rights are very tolerant of difference of any sort.

Can be odd bedfellows in politics. In Germany the leader of the far right AfD is a lesbian married to a Sri Lankan born female filmmaker.

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Date: 1/04/2025 09:19:57
From: Woodie
ID: 2267194
Subject: re: French politics

Witty Rejoinder said:


Ooops.. Bradella’s not gay. I’m confusing my French pollies.

Bradella, hey?? Make a good drag name, hey what but, though. 😁

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Date: 20/06/2025 12:54:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2294023
Subject: re: French politics

fellas stepping it up since not thinking but knowing that coal dude

https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1935267778426261598

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Date: 20/06/2025 13:45:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2294035
Subject: re: French politics

SCIENCE said:

fellas stepping it up since not thinking but knowing that coal dude

https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1935267778426261598

What had Trump lied?

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Date: 20/06/2025 14:18:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2294054
Subject: re: French politics

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

fellas stepping it up since not thinking but knowing that coal dude

https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1935267778426261598

What had Trump lied?

Well, everything that Trump utters is a lie.

I can’t find anything to say that i’m correct, but i suspect that Trump may have claimed that Macron didn’t discuss Iran with him at all.

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Date: 20/06/2025 15:16:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2294062
Subject: re: French politics

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

fellas stepping it up since not thinking but knowing that coal dude

https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1935267778426261598

What had Trump lied?

Well, everything that Trump utters is a lie.

I can’t find anything to say that i’m correct, but i suspect that Trump may have claimed that Macron didn’t discuss Iran with him at all.

Maybe. I guess S. will answer eventually.

Everything?

Or almost everything?

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Date: 20/06/2025 18:37:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2294112
Subject: re: French politics

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

What had Trump lied?

Well, everything that Trump utters is a lie.

I can’t find anything to say that i’m correct, but i suspect that Trump may have claimed that Macron didn’t discuss Iran with him at all.

Maybe. I guess S. will answer eventually.

Everything?

Or almost everything?

sorry we really haven’t been following kkk that closely we merely observe that dem fellas stepping it up since their don’t think they know episode with that coal dude

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Date: 7/10/2025 00:23:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2321438
Subject: re: French politics

so are they going to hit singularity soon or what

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-06/french-pm-sebastien-lecornu-resigns/105859512

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Date: 11/10/2025 12:19:03
From: dv
ID: 2322741
Subject: re: French politics

In the future, everyone will be Prime Minister for fifteen minutes

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Date: 13/10/2025 14:09:25
From: dv
ID: 2323341
Subject: re: French politics

Previously I’ve talked about how generous the US age pensions are compared to wages, such that someone on minimum wage will have their income x3 once they turn 67, and for a lot of people, retirement results in them having a decent income for the first time in their lives. For people on median income, retirement on the socsec pension results in a moderate increase in income.

In France the min wage is better ($14/h equiv), median full time salary is about the same, and mean salary is somewhat lower than the US, but the ratio of pension to salary is even higher than the US.

I can see why this is causing budget problems. French retirement age is relatively low (64). Having reached 64, a French person can expect to go on to live to 89 (median age of death for those who survive to 89 per 2022 life tables).

25 years on a pension that is worth more than average salary, after maybe 36 years in the workforce, is a spooky ratio. They had to kick and scream to get the pension age from 62 to 64, a couple of years back.

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Date: 13/10/2025 14:25:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2323345
Subject: re: French politics

dv said:


Previously I’ve talked about how generous the US age pensions are compared to wages, such that someone on minimum wage will have their income x3 once they turn 67, and for a lot of people, retirement results in them having a decent income for the first time in their lives. For people on median income, retirement on the socsec pension results in a moderate increase in income.

In France the min wage is better ($14/h equiv), median full time salary is about the same, and mean salary is somewhat lower than the US, but the ratio of pension to salary is even higher than the US.

I can see why this is causing budget problems. French retirement age is relatively low (64). Having reached 64, a French person can expect to go on to live to 89 (median age of death for those who survive to 89 per 2022 life tables).

25 years on a pension that is worth more than average salary, after maybe 36 years in the workforce, is a spooky ratio. They had to kick and scream to get the pension age from 62 to 64, a couple of years back.

Don’t let the Australian pensioners see that.

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Date: 13/10/2025 14:30:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2323346
Subject: re: French politics

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Previously I’ve talked about how generous the US age pensions are compared to wages, such that someone on minimum wage will have their income x3 once they turn 67, and for a lot of people, retirement results in them having a decent income for the first time in their lives. For people on median income, retirement on the socsec pension results in a moderate increase in income.

In France the min wage is better ($14/h equiv), median full time salary is about the same, and mean salary is somewhat lower than the US, but the ratio of pension to salary is even higher than the US.

I can see why this is causing budget problems. French retirement age is relatively low (64). Having reached 64, a French person can expect to go on to live to 89 (median age of death for those who survive to 89 per 2022 life tables).

25 years on a pension that is worth more than average salary, after maybe 36 years in the workforce, is a spooky ratio. They had to kick and scream to get the pension age from 62 to 64, a couple of years back.

Don’t let the Australian pensioners see that.

wait aren’t pensions free money to people who aren’t working, why aren’t the fascist Americans screaming about this dirty communism

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Date: 13/10/2025 14:31:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2323347
Subject: re: French politics

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Previously I’ve talked about how generous the US age pensions are compared to wages, such that someone on minimum wage will have their income x3 once they turn 67, and for a lot of people, retirement results in them having a decent income for the first time in their lives. For people on median income, retirement on the socsec pension results in a moderate increase in income.

In France the min wage is better ($14/h equiv), median full time salary is about the same, and mean salary is somewhat lower than the US, but the ratio of pension to salary is even higher than the US.

I can see why this is causing budget problems. French retirement age is relatively low (64). Having reached 64, a French person can expect to go on to live to 89 (median age of death for those who survive to 89 per 2022 life tables).

25 years on a pension that is worth more than average salary, after maybe 36 years in the workforce, is a spooky ratio. They had to kick and scream to get the pension age from 62 to 64, a couple of years back.

Don’t let the Australian pensioners see that.

Buffy’s richer than a weather-girl.

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Date: 13/10/2025 14:37:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2323349
Subject: re: French politics

SCIENCE said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Previously I’ve talked about how generous the US age pensions are compared to wages, such that someone on minimum wage will have their income x3 once they turn 67, and for a lot of people, retirement results in them having a decent income for the first time in their lives. For people on median income, retirement on the socsec pension results in a moderate increase in income.

In France the min wage is better ($14/h equiv), median full time salary is about the same, and mean salary is somewhat lower than the US, but the ratio of pension to salary is even higher than the US.

I can see why this is causing budget problems. French retirement age is relatively low (64). Having reached 64, a French person can expect to go on to live to 89 (median age of death for those who survive to 89 per 2022 life tables).

25 years on a pension that is worth more than average salary, after maybe 36 years in the workforce, is a spooky ratio. They had to kick and scream to get the pension age from 62 to 64, a couple of years back.

Don’t let the Australian pensioners see that.

wait aren’t pensions free money to people who aren’t working, why aren’t the fascist Americans screaming about this dirty communism

Most Americans are rather dimwitted.

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Date: 13/10/2025 14:50:34
From: dv
ID: 2323350
Subject: re: French politics

Pensions are paid out from socsec, which is supported by govt, employer and employee contributions in the USA. The future demographic numbers appear to set up a fiscal cliff.

This might be why they are engineering a reduction in life expectancy, (tongue half in cheek). Touching social security for seniors is kind of a difficult political subject as retirees make upsuch a large demographic. The cost of Socsec payments to retirees is around $1.2 trillion per annum, but a lot more attention is paid to cutting and restricting the food stamp program (which is the only broad federal welfare program in the US) which costs around $100 billion.

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