I think we need a new, special purpose thread.
So now one journalist is picking on another journalist…
“If you are going to pedantically correct others then get the answer right.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-11/albanese-election-cash-rate-gotcha/100983278
Anyway I agree with buffy that a dedicated election thread is a good idea.
So, what are the policies for all parties?
mollwollfumble said:
So, what are the policies for all parties?
There’s this thing called the media. That should fill you in.
The ABC has got Vote Compass up and running again.
https://votecompass.abc.net.au/
buffy said:
The ABC has got Vote Compass up and running again.https://votecompass.abc.net.au/
Becoming more right in my old age it would seem.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
The ABC has got Vote Compass up and running again.https://votecompass.abc.net.au/
Becoming more right in my old age it would seem.
that’s the styx rubbing off lad
diddly-squat said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
The ABC has got Vote Compass up and running again.https://votecompass.abc.net.au/
Becoming more right in my old age it would seem.
that’s the styx rubbing off lad
Maybe but the compass has me in no party land – not right enough for lnp, not left enough for labs, upper right quadrant. Probably has some meaning but I’m going with apathy.
poikilotherm said:
diddly-squat said:
poikilotherm said:Becoming more right in my old age it would seem.
that’s the styx rubbing off lad
Maybe but the compass has me in no party land – not right enough for lnp, not left enough for labs, upper right quadrant. Probably has some meaning but I’m going with apathy.
Apathy? Doesn’t sound like you. :-)
poikilotherm said:
diddly-squat said:
poikilotherm said:Becoming more right in my old age it would seem.
that’s the styx rubbing off lad
Maybe but the compass has me in no party land – not right enough for lnp, not left enough for labs, upper right quadrant. Probably has some meaning but I’m going with apathy.
Being a businessman, you’ll likely be considering that as your main focus.
I’m not so I’m full on apathy.
sarahs mum said:
Murdoch, hey. Who’d‘ve thought it?
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
I did the vote compass & was on the centre line horizontally & a little below centre vertically.
So close to where Labor is nowadays. Aside from that little chance of representation. the middle ground is mostly unclaimed.
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
I did the vote compass & was on the centre line horizontally & a little below centre vertically.So close to where Labor is nowadays. Aside from that little chance of representation. the middle ground is mostly unclaimed.
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
I did the vote compass & was on the centre line horizontally & a little below centre vertically.So close to where Labor is nowadays. Aside from that little chance of representation. the middle ground is mostly unclaimed.
What do you mean? If Labor is the middle then the middle ground is certainly claimed by one if the major political parties.
I basically ended up sitting on Labor’s red dot on the vote compass.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:I did the vote compass & was on the centre line horizontally & a little below centre vertically.
So close to where Labor is nowadays. Aside from that little chance of representation. the middle ground is mostly unclaimed.
What do you mean? If Labor is the middle then the middle ground is certainly claimed by one if the major political parties.
I basically ended up sitting on Labor’s red dot on the vote compass.
I haven’t done the compass for a while. I shoud check. But I am thinking labor is right of centre these days.
I’m just under GRN according to the ABC Vote Compass.
But in real life the picture is more complicated than that.
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:So close to where Labor is nowadays. Aside from that little chance of representation. the middle ground is mostly unclaimed.
What do you mean? If Labor is the middle then the middle ground is certainly claimed by one if the major political parties.
I basically ended up sitting on Labor’s red dot on the vote compass.
I haven’t done the compass for a while. I shoud check. But I am thinking labor is right of centre these days.
They’re basically defined as a centre left party whilst the Libs are centre right.
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Morons in the marginals, they decide most elections.
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Where’s the polling from?
sibeen said:
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Where’s the polling from?
Newspoll.
I’m being dramatic, it’s still 53-47, but the trend is towards a tight election.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Where’s the polling from?
Newspoll.
I’m being dramatic, it’s still 53-47, but the trend is towards a tight election.
ALP holds a significant advantage as PM Scott Morrison calls the election for May 21: ALP 57% cf. L-NP 43%
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8931-roy-morgan-poll-on-federal-voting-intention-early-april-2022-202204110842
Lies, damn lies and statistics :)
I found political compass very annoying
“somewhat higher”… “much higher”
What does it mean? Is 12% higher somewhat higher or much higher? So vague.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Morons in the marginals, they decide most elections.
we thought the correct term was deplorables and they Make Australia Great Again wait
dv said:
I found political compass very annoying“somewhat higher”… “much higher”
What does it mean? Is 12% higher somewhat higher or much higher? So vague.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Morons in the marginals, they decide most elections.
we thought the correct term was deplorables and they Make Australia Great Again wait
The make whomever great again is funny its like the opposite of what truly makes a nation great.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
(Sigh) the filth is going to win this one aren’t they. The undecideds are breaking to Lib.
Morons in the marginals, they decide most elections.
we thought the correct term was deplorables and they Make Australia Great Again wait
dv said:
I found political compass very annoying“somewhat higher”… “much higher”
What does it mean? Is 12% higher somewhat higher or much higher? So vague.
I hate getting my vagueus nerve annoyed.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I found political compass very annoying“somewhat higher”… “much higher”
What does it mean? Is 12% higher somewhat higher or much higher? So vague.
I hate getting my vagueus nerve annoyed.
You’re so vague I bet you think this song is about you.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
Hippy
Kevin Rudd
22 hrs ·
Morrison is fibbing about Labor’s record on unemployment. If his record is so good, why are we doing worse the British, Americans and New Zealanders? Australia is ranked 17th in the OECD, compared with 6th when Labor faced re-election during the Global Financial Crisis.
dv said:
Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
dv said:
I found political compass very annoying“somewhat higher”… “much higher”
What does it mean? Is 12% higher somewhat higher or much higher? So vague.
They just want “the vibe”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
And another thing, are the Greens really as lefty as it is possible to get?
I mean they aren’t proposing to appropriate all private property and redistribute it to the proletariat, are they?
Meanwhile…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-12/federal-election-live-blog-scott-morrison-anthony-albanese/100983628?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web#live-blog-post-1210269300
Albanese should apologise for a lack of an economic plan, Morrison says
Mr Morrison is using yesterday’s mistake by the opposition leader to suggest the Labor leader would jeopardise Australia’s economy, should he win the election.
“He thought unemployment had a five in front of it, not even a four in front of it, and it’s going to a number with a three in front of it,” Mr Morrison said.
“And what that tells me is his working assumptions about our economy and what Australians are achieving in our economy he doesn’t know and he doesn’t understand.”
Gees I never saw this coming… just think, 15 min briefing each morning on key measures could have solved this and now it’s going to hang around Albo’s neck all election long…
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
And another thing, are the Greens really as lefty as it is possible to get?
I mean they aren’t proposing to appropriate all private property and redistribute it to the proletariat, are they?
It’s just an assessment by individuals of what they perceive it to be and tell you the result from childish questions.
I think it’s not meant to be taken seriously.
No surprises.
Bubblecar said:
I’m just under GRN according to the ABC Vote Compass.But in real life the picture is more complicated than that.
For example, my objection to their support for transgender ideology alone would ensure that I don’t vote Green.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I found political compass very annoying“somewhat higher”… “much higher”
What does it mean? Is 12% higher somewhat higher or much higher? So vague.
I hate getting my vagueus nerve annoyed.
You’re so vague I bet you think this song is about you.
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
And another thing, are the Greens really as lefty as it is possible to get?
I mean they aren’t proposing to appropriate all private property and redistribute it to the proletariat, are they?
It’s just an assessment by individuals of what they perceive it to be and tell you the result from childish questions.
I think it’s not meant to be taken seriously.
ooooh!
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.
Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/headlines/aged-care-resident-living-off-powder-potato-mash-mortified-albo-overshot-unemployment-rate-by-1/
I don’t care.
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
many people like the idea of a Coalition government, even one led by ScoMo (who you could also argue also isn’t a typical Liberal)
The fact is, in politics, incumbency has its advantages.
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
Disagreeing with your party and crossing the floor on issues you feel strongly about IS being a typical Liberal.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
Disagreeing with your party and crossing the floor on issues you feel strongly about IS being a typical Liberal.
I wouldn’t go quite that far…
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
many people like the idea of a Coalition government, even one led by ScoMo (who you could also argue also isn’t a typical Liberal)
The fact is, in politics, incumbency has its advantages.
I’m talking about voters who don’t like the idea of a Coalition government, but who are being urged to vote for one anyway because Bridget Archer is “better than the other Libs” etc.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
Disagreeing with your party and crossing the floor on issues you feel strongly about IS being a typical Liberal.
As is the typical bullying by Scomo for doing so.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
Disagreeing with your party and crossing the floor on issues you feel strongly about IS being a typical Liberal.
I suppose that’s why “maverick moderate” Andre Bragg is taking legal action against They Vote For You, despite the fact his actual parliamentary voting record shows him to be a loyal hard right party member.
It’s all talk for most of these “moderates”. When it comes to the policies they support, this is a very right wing government.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
Apparently Bridget Archer has a strong chance of retaining her Tasmanian seat for the Liberals, due to “not being a typical Liberal” and often disagreeing with the party etc.Still bloody foolish to vote for her if you don’t want a Coalition government.
many people like the idea of a Coalition government, even one led by ScoMo (who you could also argue also isn’t a typical Liberal)
The fact is, in politics, incumbency has its advantages.
I’m talking about voters who don’t like the idea of a Coalition government, but who are being urged to vote for one anyway because Bridget Archer is “better than the other Libs” etc.
The two are not mutually inclusive… I mean presumably those people aren’t foolish and can think for themselves.. There is a universe where some people vote for the local candidate that they feel will do the best for their own electorate, irrespective of the which side of politics they come from.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:many people like the idea of a Coalition government, even one led by ScoMo (who you could also argue also isn’t a typical Liberal)
The fact is, in politics, incumbency has its advantages.
I’m talking about voters who don’t like the idea of a Coalition government, but who are being urged to vote for one anyway because Bridget Archer is “better than the other Libs” etc.
The two are not mutually inclusive… I mean presumably those people aren’t foolish and can think for themselves.. There is a universe where some people vote for the local candidate that they feel will do the best for their own electorate, irrespective of the which side of politics they come from.
The Katterverse.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:many people like the idea of a Coalition government, even one led by ScoMo (who you could also argue also isn’t a typical Liberal)
The fact is, in politics, incumbency has its advantages.
I’m talking about voters who don’t like the idea of a Coalition government, but who are being urged to vote for one anyway because Bridget Archer is “better than the other Libs” etc.
The two are not mutually inclusive… I mean presumably those people aren’t foolish and can think for themselves.. There is a universe where some people vote for the local candidate that they feel will do the best for their own electorate, irrespective of the which side of politics they come from.
As I said, “morons in the marginals”.
Bubblecar said:
As I said, “morons in the marginals”.
…by which I don’t include voting for a good independent (such as Andrew Wilkie in Clark) and ensuring those you don’t want are at the bottom.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I’m talking about voters who don’t like the idea of a Coalition government, but who are being urged to vote for one anyway because Bridget Archer is “better than the other Libs” etc.
The two are not mutually inclusive… I mean presumably those people aren’t foolish and can think for themselves.. There is a universe where some people vote for the local candidate that they feel will do the best for their own electorate, irrespective of the which side of politics they come from.
As I said, “morons in the marginals”.
not sure calling people morons because they hold different views, or value different things from their elected representatives, is particularly constructive.. in fact it’s quite intolerant.
you are not going to change anyone’s mind by calling them a fool
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:The two are not mutually inclusive… I mean presumably those people aren’t foolish and can think for themselves.. There is a universe where some people vote for the local candidate that they feel will do the best for their own electorate, irrespective of the which side of politics they come from.
As I said, “morons in the marginals”.
not sure calling people morons because they hold different views, or value different things from their elected representatives, is particularly constructive.. in fact it’s quite intolerant.
you are not going to change anyone’s mind by calling them a fool
I’m a fairy intolerant man :)
And I can’t change the minds of foolish people.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:As I said, “morons in the marginals”.
not sure calling people morons because they hold different views, or value different things from their elected representatives, is particularly constructive.. in fact it’s quite intolerant.
you are not going to change anyone’s mind by calling them a fool
I’m a fairy intolerant man :)
And I can’t change the minds of foolish people.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>I’m a fairy intolerant man
= fairly intolerant, with the emphasis on “fair”.
I’m not intolerant of fairies.
Bubblecar said:
>I’m a fairy intolerant man= fairly intolerant, with the emphasis on “fair”.
I’m not intolerant of fairies.
Bubblecar… bringing the fair back into intolerance
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:As I said, “morons in the marginals”.
not sure calling people morons because they hold different views, or value different things from their elected representatives, is particularly constructive.. in fact it’s quite intolerant.
you are not going to change anyone’s mind by calling them a fool
I’m a fairy intolerant man :)
And I can’t change the minds of foolish people.
A number of politicians have a disgraceful lack of care about others, the environment, etc and one can only imagine what they truly think that’s distasteful.
Still a choice for the most part of the best of the worst
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
>I’m a fairy intolerant man= fairly intolerant, with the emphasis on “fair”.
I’m not intolerant of fairies.
Bubblecar… bringing the fair back into intolerance
“Intolerance” used in such a vague way is a fairly meaningless term of abuse.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
>I’m a fairy intolerant man= fairly intolerant, with the emphasis on “fair”.
I’m not intolerant of fairies.
Bubblecar… bringing the fair back into intolerance
“Intolerance” used in such a vague way is a fairly meaningless term of abuse.
Anyone of strong and rationally defensible ethics can find much in this world that they shouldn’t tolerate.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:Bubblecar… bringing the fair back into intolerance
“Intolerance” used in such a vague way is a fairly meaningless term of abuse.
Anyone of strong and rationally defensible ethics can find much in this world that they shouldn’t tolerate.
You don’t vote.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:Bubblecar… bringing the fair back into intolerance
“Intolerance” used in such a vague way is a fairly meaningless term of abuse.
Anyone of strong and rationally defensible ethics can find much in this world that they shouldn’t tolerate.
…and in relation to what was being discussed, it’s not “intolerant” to suggest that people who don’t want a Coalition government would be foolish to vote against their own interests, by voting for someone styling herself as a “maverick” in one of the Coalition parties.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:not sure calling people morons because they hold different views, or value different things from their elected representatives, is particularly constructive.. in fact it’s quite intolerant.
you are not going to change anyone’s mind by calling them a fool
I’m a fairy intolerant man :)
And I can’t change the minds of foolish people.
A number of politicians have a disgraceful lack of care about others, the environment, etc and one can only imagine what they truly think that’s distasteful.
Still a choice for the most part of the best of the worst
I think, and maybe I’m wrong, that most politicians still get into politics for what they constitute (rightly or wrongly) as the opportunity to “do the right thing”. Now you or I may not agree with their particular stance on a particular issue, but largely they are doing it for altruistic reasons. That being said, it’s clear that some, and I’d put our current PM into this category, are in it solely to seek personal power.
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:“Intolerance” used in such a vague way is a fairly meaningless term of abuse.
Anyone of strong and rationally defensible ethics can find much in this world that they shouldn’t tolerate.
You don’t vote.
lol
Bubblecar said:
…and in relation to what was being discussed, it’s not “intolerant” to suggest that people who don’t want a Coalition government would be foolish to vote against their own interests, by voting for someone styling herself as a “maverick” in one of the Coalition parties.
no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
JudgeMental said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:“Intolerance” used in such a vague way is a fairly meaningless term of abuse.
Anyone of strong and rationally defensible ethics can find much in this world that they shouldn’t tolerate.
You don’t vote.
Not being an Australian citizen, but nonetheless I’m clearly a strong believer in democratic government.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
…and in relation to what was being discussed, it’s not “intolerant” to suggest that people who don’t want a Coalition government would be foolish to vote against their own interests, by voting for someone styling herself as a “maverick” in one of the Coalition parties.
no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
…and in relation to what was being discussed, it’s not “intolerant” to suggest that people who don’t want a Coalition government would be foolish to vote against their own interests, by voting for someone styling herself as a “maverick” in one of the Coalition parties.
no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
…and in relation to what was being discussed, it’s not “intolerant” to suggest that people who don’t want a Coalition government would be foolish to vote against their own interests, by voting for someone styling herself as a “maverick” in one of the Coalition parties.
no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
let me rephrase
“I personally don’t think this makes that person a moron.”
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
Or family tradition.
Or having made it in regards to income vote Liberal
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
…and in relation to what was being discussed, it’s not “intolerant” to suggest that people who don’t want a Coalition government would be foolish to vote against their own interests, by voting for someone styling herself as a “maverick” in one of the Coalition parties.
no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
….. or their hip pocket.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
I’m talking about traditional swinging voters. There’s been much research over the years showing that many of these people are particularly uninformed about politics (people like sarahs mum’s tragic Margaret, a One-Nation-supporting hippy who doesn’t understand basic political distinctions) and often don’t care much about these things.
The picture can be more complicated for younger generations of voters who might pick and choose on the basis of specific policy positions or favour certain independents while voting preferentially etc. But much campaign rhetoric is aimed at the traditional swingers and deliberately exploits their lack of knowledge and understanding.
sibeen said:
sarahs mum said:
Tamb said:I did the vote compass & was on the centre line horizontally & a little below centre vertically.
So close to where Labor is nowadays. Aside from that little chance of representation. the middle ground is mostly unclaimed.
What do you mean? If Labor is the middle then the middle ground is certainly claimed by one if the major political parties.
I basically ended up sitting on Labor’s red dot on the vote compass.
I suppose as I put up the link I should do the Vote Compass too at some point.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
I’m talking about traditional swinging voters. There’s been much research over the years showing that many of these people are particularly uninformed about politics (people like sarahs mum’s tragic Margaret, a One-Nation-supporting hippy who doesn’t understand basic political distinctions) and often don’t care much about these things.
The picture can be more complicated for younger generations of voters who might pick and choose on the basis of specific policy positions or favour certain independents while voting preferentially etc. But much campaign rhetoric is aimed at the traditional swingers and deliberately exploits their lack of knowledge and understanding.
Or Marianne who is a Craig Kelly supporter.
WTF Marianne!
Also Albo got the unemployment rate question wrong.
So we need more coal mines.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
I’m talking about traditional swinging voters. There’s been much research over the years showing that many of these people are particularly uninformed about politics (people like sarahs mum’s tragic Margaret, a One-Nation-supporting hippy who doesn’t understand basic political distinctions) and often don’t care much about these things.
The picture can be more complicated for younger generations of voters who might pick and choose on the basis of specific policy positions or favour certain independents while voting preferentially etc. But much campaign rhetoric is aimed at the traditional swingers and deliberately exploits their lack of knowledge and understanding.
Or Marianne who is a Craig Kelly supporter.
WTF Marianne!
I’d be doing a Leonard Cohen and saying “So long, Marianne”
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
I’m talking about traditional swinging voters. There’s been much research over the years showing that many of these people are particularly uninformed about politics (people like sarahs mum’s tragic Margaret, a One-Nation-supporting hippy who doesn’t understand basic political distinctions) and often don’t care much about these things.
The picture can be more complicated for younger generations of voters who might pick and choose on the basis of specific policy positions or favour certain independents while voting preferentially etc. But much campaign rhetoric is aimed at the traditional swingers and deliberately exploits their lack of knowledge and understanding.
People that are truly undecided will then vote on the basis of personal preference. How they choose this preference is often by voting in favour of one or more policies – they tend to be parents of young families or, more recently, tradies.
People who change their vote on the politics of identity are a different type of swing voter.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:People generally see things through their own ideological lens, and as such they will often vote for the party (as opposed to the candidate).. this makes them happy because they believe that the country is better served by their particular brand of politics (if for no other reason than that the opposite side doesn’t have power); I personally don’t think this doesn’t make that person a moron.
I guess what I trying to say is that terms like “morons in marginals” are largely unhelpful and are not very constructive.
I’m talking about traditional swinging voters. There’s been much research over the years showing that many of these people are particularly uninformed about politics (people like sarahs mum’s tragic Margaret, a One-Nation-supporting hippy who doesn’t understand basic political distinctions) and often don’t care much about these things.
The picture can be more complicated for younger generations of voters who might pick and choose on the basis of specific policy positions or favour certain independents while voting preferentially etc. But much campaign rhetoric is aimed at the traditional swingers and deliberately exploits their lack of knowledge and understanding.
Or Marianne who is a Craig Kelly supporter.
WTF Marianne!
keep being faithful, Marianne.
Pauline Hanson says she will subsidise TankSafe for people with a seniors cad.
So it’s a no brainer.
Peak Warming Man said:
Pauline Hanson says she will subsidise TankSafe for people with a seniors cad.
So it’s a no brainer.
How much do you spend on TankSafe in a given year?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
There were quite a few things that I said “neutral” on because they aren’t important
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
And another thing, are the Greens really as lefty as it is possible to get?
I mean they aren’t proposing to appropriate all private property and redistribute it to the proletariat, are they?
Good point
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Thought you’d be leftier that that.
(But I thought I’d be leftier too – was almost the same left right as yours).
And another thing, are the Greens really as lefty as it is possible to get?
I mean they aren’t proposing to appropriate all private property and redistribute it to the proletariat, are they?
Not since they dumped Lee Rhiannon from the NSW Senate ticket.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Pauline Hanson says she will subsidise TankSafe for people with a seniors cad.
So it’s a no brainer.
How much do you spend on TankSafe in a given year?
I probably use about 2.5 litres a year in the 25,000 L tank, and nothing in the 33,000 L tank.
Over.
P. H. probably never said that but she could of said that at some time or something similar about something else or something about rural health and dementia and the like.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Pauline Hanson says she will subsidise TankSafe for people with a seniors cad.
So it’s a no brainer.
How much do you spend on TankSafe in a given year?
I probably use about 2.5 litres a year in the 25,000 L tank, and nothing in the 33,000 L tank.
Over.P. H. probably never said that but she could of said that at some time or something similar about something else or something about rural health and dementia and the like.
I mean maybe it’s a good policy
sarahs mum said:
Also Albo got the unemployment rate question wrong.
So we need more coal mines.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Also Albo got the unemployment rate question wrong.
So we need more coal mines.
Poor Agent W, bet he wished neutralisers were real
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:no, but it is intolerant to call someone a moron simply because you don’t agree with their choice of how to vote
I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
….. or their hip pocket.
If people voted on the basis of their hip pocket, about 2% of the population would vote Lib or further right
dv said:
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:I agree, but I haven’t done that. When I talk of “morons in the marginals” I mean foolish people who vote against their own interests, or who know nothing about politics and vote on the basis of lies or trivia.
….. or their hip pocket.
If people voted on the basis of their hip pocket, about 2% of the population would vote Lib or further right
They might also get the happy clappers
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-12/scott-morrison-housing-loans-claim-incorrect-trust-ceo-says/100984626
is the ability of one joker to pull bs answers to on the spot questioning really a good measure of the performance of a nominally ideologically aligned group of bureaucrats
SCIENCE said:
is the ability of one joker to pull bs answers to on the spot questioning really a good measure of the performance of a nominally ideologically aligned group of bureaucrats
Andrew Bolt says yes.
SCIENCE said:
is the ability of one joker to pull bs answers to on the spot questioning really a good measure of the performance of a nominally ideologically aligned group of bureaucrats
Andrew Bolt says yes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
So, what are the policies for all parties?
There’s this thing called the media. That should fill you in.
This thing called the media doesn’t even mention 90% of the parties.
To call the media exceedingly biased would be an understatement.
mollwollfumble said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
So, what are the policies for all parties?
There’s this thing called the media. That should fill you in.
This thing called the media doesn’t even mention 90% of the parties.
To call the media exceedingly biased would be an understatement.
So instead you expect us to fill you in?
I was going to go to the websites, click on the appropriate menus and give you a precis but honestly… you could just as easily do it yourself.
Oh, bubbles, you ultraconservative, you :)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/12/independents-accuse-morrison-of-using-trans-sport-ban-as-a-dog-whistle-to-the-ultraconservatives
sibeen said:
Oh, bubbles, you ultraconservative, you :)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/12/independents-accuse-morrison-of-using-trans-sport-ban-as-a-dog-whistle-to-the-ultraconservatives
Yeah it’s a bit silly.
I’d be very surprised if surveys didn’t show that most “progressive” people are also concerned about this compromising of women’s sport, which in an increasing number of cases is making it a waste of time for actual physical women to bother competing.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Oh, bubbles, you ultraconservative, you :)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/12/independents-accuse-morrison-of-using-trans-sport-ban-as-a-dog-whistle-to-the-ultraconservatives
Yeah it’s a bit silly.
I’d be very surprised if surveys didn’t show that most “progressive” people are also concerned about this compromising of women’s sport, which in an increasing number of cases is making it a waste of time for actual physical women to bother competing.
It’s the Gran….on this issue they’re loopy.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Oh, bubbles, you ultraconservative, you :)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/12/independents-accuse-morrison-of-using-trans-sport-ban-as-a-dog-whistle-to-the-ultraconservatives
Yeah it’s a bit silly.
I’d be very surprised if surveys didn’t show that most “progressive” people are also concerned about this compromising of women’s sport, which in an increasing number of cases is making it a waste of time for actual physical women to bother competing.
It’s the Gran….on this issue they’re loopy.
https://unherd.com/2022/04/the-week-the-trans-spell-was-broken/
One of their (ex) writers doing her (sic) thing,
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:Yeah it’s a bit silly.
I’d be very surprised if surveys didn’t show that most “progressive” people are also concerned about this compromising of women’s sport, which in an increasing number of cases is making it a waste of time for actual physical women to bother competing.
It’s the Gran….on this issue they’re loopy.
https://unherd.com/2022/04/the-week-the-trans-spell-was-broken/
One of their (ex) writers doing her (sic) thing,
Ta.
>This third issue caused the Labour Party to have one of its regular internal breakdowns, as its politicians – and leader – became unable to answer the question, what is a woman? And not only could they not answer the question, they couldn’t think of a way to not answer the question, hemming and hawing about it being a “gotcha” question.<
That’s why I now think of Starmer as an ineffectual chucklehead.
Shock. George Christensen has joined One Nation.
dv said:
Shock. George Christensen has joined One Nation.
Just when I thought we were rid of the idiot. He was supposedly retiring and moving to Manila.
Guardian Writer So Obviously Biased
Is it time for someone on the forum, like me, to start looking at policies?
mollwollfumble said:
Is it time for someone on the forum, like me, to start looking at policies?
This looks good. From https://www.scienceparty.org.au/federal_policy
And again…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-22/josh-frydenberg-alters-posters-after-scout-complaint/101006730
mollwollfumble said:
mollwollfumble said:
Is it time for someone on the forum, like me, to start looking at policies?
This looks good. From https://www.scienceparty.org.au/federal_policy
The Science Party, and several others, have joined together to for one larger party. This is in response to the LNP/ALP/Greens vote to triple the number of members required to make a valid party. I hope they do very well.
RMIT ABC Fact Check
The Prime Minister blamed a lack of “bipartisan support” for his government’s failure to establish a federal anti-corruption body. But the evidence suggests it’s a broken promise.
mollwollfumble said:
Is it time for someone on the forum, like me, to start looking at policies?
Bit late in the game for you to be considering that but bltn I suppose
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/22/factcheck-the-coalition-says-labor-always-takes-chinas-side-but-are-the-parties-positions-so-different?
Link?
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/22/factcheck-the-coalition-says-labor-always-takes-chinas-side-but-are-the-parties-positions-so-different?Link?
ABC News:
‘Scott Morrison takes aim at Richard Marles, accusing him of being soft on China
By political reporter Matthew Dor’
Rather rich, coming from a bloke whose government has been devoted to slashing aid to Pacific nations and so producing a vacancy which China was only too happy to fill, who couldn’t be bothered to even send his Foreign Minister to talk with the Solomon Islanders when their China security deal was still up in the air (let alone talk with them himself), and who tried to keep news of the pact on the quiet until some people in the intelligence service let word of it leak.
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/22/factcheck-the-coalition-says-labor-always-takes-chinas-side-but-are-the-parties-positions-so-different?https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/22/factcheck-the-Australian-government-sucks-up-to-whomever-is-the-worlds-top-dog-or-a-significant-trading-partner
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/22/factcheck-the-coalition-says-labor-always-takes-chinas-side-but-are-the-parties-positions-so-different?Link?
ABC News:
‘Scott Morrison takes aim at Richard Marles, accusing him of being soft on China
By political reporter Matthew Dor’Rather rich, coming from a bloke whose government has been devoted to slashing aid to Pacific nations and so producing a vacancy which China was only too happy to fill, who couldn’t be bothered to even send his Foreign Minister to talk with the Solomon Islanders when their China security deal was still up in the air (let alone talk with them himself), and who tried to keep news of the pact on the quiet until some people in the intelligence service let word of it leak.
so is this like USSA Republicans and Russia then
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/22/factcheck-the-coalition-says-labor-always-takes-chinas-side-but-are-the-parties-positions-so-different?Link?
ABC News:
‘Scott Morrison takes aim at Richard Marles, accusing him of being soft on China
By political reporter Matthew Dor’Rather rich, coming from a bloke whose government has been devoted to slashing aid to Pacific nations and so producing a vacancy which China was only too happy to fill, who couldn’t be bothered to even send his Foreign Minister to talk with the Solomon Islanders when their China security deal was still up in the air (let alone talk with them himself), and who tried to keep news of the pact on the quiet until some people in the intelligence service let word of it leak.
He doesn’t hold the hose
What’s Worse Than CHINA Doing Foreign Interference¿
Anti CHINA Corruption Doing Local Interference While False Flag Pretending They Are CHINA¡
The Greens want to offer Australians grants of up to $10,000 and loans of $50,000 to install solar batteries. It’s part of a $17 billion plan announced as part of their federal election campaign.
Posted 36m ago on Justin.
roughbarked said:
The Greens want to offer Australians grants of up to $10,000 and loans of $50,000 to install solar batteries. It’s part of a $17 billion plan announced as part of their federal election campaign.
Posted 36m ago on Justin.
Fuck me, Musk just got a stiffy.
roughbarked said:
The Greens want to offer Australians grants of up to $10,000 and loans of $50,000 to install solar batteries. It’s part of a $17 billion plan announced as part of their federal election campaign.
Posted 36m ago on Justin.
Labor’s proposed 400 ‘community’ batteries if elected: presumably there are economies of scale.
https://www.alp.org.au/policies/power_to_the_people
sibeen said:
roughbarked said:
The Greens want to offer Australians grants of up to $10,000 and loans of $50,000 to install solar batteries. It’s part of a $17 billion plan announced as part of their federal election campaign.
Posted 36m ago on Justin.
Fuck me, Musk just got a stiffy.
:)
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:
roughbarked said:
The Greens want to offer Australians grants of up to $10,000 and loans of $50,000 to install solar batteries. It’s part of a $17 billion plan announced as part of their federal election campaign.
Posted 36m ago on Justin.
Fuck me, Musk just got a stiffy.
:)
Greens want to pour money into billionaires’ pockets now what a fucking world.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
sibeen said:Fuck me, Musk just got a stiffy.
:)
Greens want to pour money into billionaires’ pockets now what a fucking world.
That’s just the problem. Too much fucking.
When you’re too nutty for the UAP:
https://australiaoneparty.com/?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/23/coalition-scrimps-on-mps-as-climate-200-backed-independents-outspend-them-in-key-seats?
Link?
Morrison a failure in fields he claims to have mastered: jury still out on Labor
Peter Hartcher
Political and international editor
April 23, 2022 — 5.00am
If you stand in front of Old Parliament House in Canberra, looking across Lake Burley Griffin, you’ll see that there’s an unobtrusive yet serious-looking office building on each flank.
The building a few hundred metres to your left was created for the Treasury. The one on your right was for the Department of External Affairs, later renamed Foreign Affairs and relocated.
The design of the capital conveys the essence of national government. The parliament embodies the sovereignty of the people. It is served on one hand by the Treasury, symbolising the power to raise revenue. On the other, Foreign Affairs asserts the nation to the world.
The Liberal Party claims unique competence in operating both of these fundamental functions of the nation state. It’s Scott Morrison’s greatest boast: “Strong economic management is more important now than it’s ever been – and we have the runs on the board here,” he told Sky in February. “That is at stake – what else is at stake is the security of our nation and the safety of Australians. Now, no one doubts my resolve when it comes up to standing up to those who are going to have a crack at this country.”
And, as you stand looking straight ahead with your back to the parliament, your eye is drawn by design to the sobering reminder of the awful price we’ve paid when other countries do have a crack. Or when Australia joins its allies to have a crack at others.
The distinctively domed War Memorial stands at the culminating point of the ceremonial Anzac Parade, at the foot of Mount Ainslie. It contains the bronze honour roll of Australia’s war dead – 102,980 men and women in all conflicts since 1885.
Labor, he tells us, can’t manage money. It’s weak on national security, he claims in increasingly shrill tones, and even goes so far as to accuse Labor’s leaders of treachery, of being “on China’s side”.
Morrison does have some serious accomplishments to his credit. In economic policy and foreign affairs, and credit to his government for supporting the veterans’ wellbeing centres too. His government did open the fiscal floodgates to buoy the economy through the pandemic, and it was right to do so.
Morrison did harden Australia against Chinese government subversion, defy its trade bans, denounce its 14 demands on Australian sovereignty, rally other nations to Australia’s side, increase defence spending, actively promote the elevation of the Quad partnership with the US, Japan, India and Australia, and initiate the AUKUS arrangement to get access to US technology for nuclear-powered submarines. He’s not making any of that up.
Opposition leader Anthony Albanese called the prime minister’s comment during the first leaders debate an ‘outrageous slur’.
But Morrison is now guilty of abject failure in the two fundamental federal functions where he claims to be so masterful.
One was confirmed a little over three weeks ago in the federal budget. The other was confirmed in Beijing and Honiara.
The man who accuses Labor of being unable to manage money has put Australia under its heaviest debt load since 1956. Not in dollar terms, because that would be an unfair comparison, but as a share of GDP. Worse, the budget shows that this will only increase in the years ahead.
In 1956, Australia was still paying down the extraordinary debts incurred in fighting World War II. In 1956, the debt load was on its way down. The Morrison-Frydenberg budget is post-pandemic and the emergency spending, they tell us, is over, yet still the debt load is still going up.
And they can’t use COVID-19 as their excuse. Before we’d even heard of COVID-19, before the first Wuhan bat had shed its first viral load, this government already had the worst fiscal record of any postwar government. Morrison’s debt run-up makes Whitlam, Hawke, Keating and Rudd and Gillard look like skinflints.
The Coalition inherited gross national debt at 20 per cent of GDP. By the time COVID-19 struck, it had run it up to 28. There’d been no crisis, yet it created the biggest load of national debt since 1958, drawing on the budget papers and a 2019 Treasury research paper, A History of Public Debt in Australia, which provides a consistent time series back to 1908.
Today? The Morrison-Frydenberg gross national debt is 42.5 per cent of GDP. Peak Whitlam was 24.5. Peak Hawke-Keating was 24. Peak Rudd-Gillard Government debt was 20.
Let’s be plain. When Morrison and Frydenberg claim that Labor “can’t manage money”, they are being shamelessly hypocritical. Their budget papers project that the debt will continue to rise to peak at 44.9 per cent in two years’ time. Close to twice as bad as the worst performance by a Labor government in the last half-century.
Don’t tell me that “debt doesn’t matter”. That crowd of Pollyannas have had a good run in recent years. Understandably. Interest rates have been at their lowest in the 5000 years of history that the Bank of England has been able to unearth, back to Ancient Egypt.
That cycle has turned. Inflation is rising and interest rates rising with it. Debt is about to matter a great deal in the years ahead. At the outset of the pandemic, the number of countries needing help from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to stay solvent was around 20. It’s now about 90. The debt crisis has begun in the developing world already.
Even since the budget just over three weeks ago, Australia’s bill has gone up. The Commonwealth already was paying $18 billion a year in interest on the national debt. And the budget forecast a rise to $26 billion a year within four years. That’s over $2 billion in interest payments every month.
This week the Treasury’s updated Pre-Election Fiscal Outlook projected that the annual interest bill could be around $12 billion a year higher by then because of rising market interest rates.
Debt will matter even in some rich countries. Especially in a country with Australia’s distinct features. One, Australia confronts a great power that has declared itself hostile with trade boycotts, a political freeze and 14 demands on Australia’s sovereign rights.
Two, China has declared a policy of cutting dependence on Australian iron ore and coal over the next few years. Three, our greatest ally, the US, is subject to whimsical changes in attitude to its allies and is therefore unreliable. Four, the structural cost of health care, aged care and the NDIS is about to rise irresistibly in the decade ahead as the population ages.
And Morrison is leading Australia into this future carrying the biggest load of debt since the 1950s, and getting bigger, as interest rates rise? A prudent country would be preparing for its next crisis by reducing debt, as the IMF has been advising, not increasing it.
The second failure is in foreign affairs. A hostile power has achieved the political foundation for something that thousands of Australian personnel died to prevent in 1942-43 – the establishment of a military base on Australia’s vital oceanic lifeline to the US.
The Solomon Islands security agreement with Beijing has the potential to bring China’s nearest naval base 4000 kilometres closer to Australia’s shores. This is a crisis in Australian security. And regional stability.
As military historian Peter Dean of the University of Western Australia points out, “in this kind of competition, it’s always better to play in your enemy’s backyard to keep them distracted from other issues”. That’s exactly what China is doing.
Morrison is right that Solomon Islands has the right to its sovereign decisions. But did Australia do its best to show it and the wider South Pacific a compelling vision of a better future? It did not.
It’s not too late. Australia should make every effort with its friends and allies, especially the Pacific Islands Forum but including the US and France (ahem) and Japan to construct a grand Pacific compact offering options and benefits that China simply cannot.
In an election campaign dominated by posturing, blustering, gotchas, gaffes and scare campaigns, China’s victorious stride into Australia’s strategic hinterland is a mighty clash of the gong of reality. Yet from the government we hear only excuses and no semblance of a plan for retrieving the situation.
Would Labor do any better? It’s hard to imagine it could do worse. Yet, we remain to be convinced. Labor’s policy offerings so far on debt and on foreign affairs are marginal. Four weeks remain for Labor to explain how it might be an improvement.
But we do know that Morrison has failed. His shocking performance on national debt doesn’t make Australia stronger but more vulnerable. And China’s strategic coup in the South Pacific this week is a failure of Australian policy of historic proportions. Morrison might yet win re-election on his boast of being strong on the economy and strong on national security, but he will have won on a pair of fictions.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/morrison-a-failure-in-fields-he-claims-to-have-mastered-jury-still-out-on-labor-20220422-p5afie.html
remember this
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.
(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
It’s not as though being PM is really in his skillset either. His core skill is getting fired from tourist boards for corruption.
But I agree with your central point. It’s like the candidates who claim they aren’t a politician, which always makes me smh, rme and vimm because 1) what a wank and 2) you’re basically saying you aren’t suitable. We’re hiring someone to be in parliament, a politician.
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.
(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
If You Have A Go You Get A Go
(And Yes That Is Democracy The Way Everyone Wants It)
dv said:
His core skill is … corruption.
no argument from us
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.
(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
If You Have A Go You Get A Go
(And Yes That Is Democracy The Way Everyone Wants It)
ScoMo’s next job is a cage match with a MMA fighter
dv said:
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
It’s not as though being PM is really in his skillset either. His core skill is getting fired from tourist boards for corruption.
But I agree with your central point. It’s like the candidates who claim they aren’t a politician, which always makes me smh, rme and vimm because 1) what a wank and 2) you’re basically saying you aren’t suitable. We’re hiring someone to be in parliament, a politician.
I agree with both of you.
dv said:
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
It’s not as though being PM is really in his skillset either. His core skill is getting fired from tourist boards for corruption.
But I agree with your central point. It’s like the candidates who claim they aren’t a politician, which always makes me smh, rme and vimm because 1) what a wank and 2) you’re basically saying you aren’t suitable. We’re hiring someone to be in parliament, a politician.
This is why he should be presenting himself at his interview (the campaign) as a politician and convincing the employer (the voters) that he is capable of the job. The job he is applying for, not someone else’s job.
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
I agree.
It’s kissing babies, ramped up.
dv said:
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
It’s not as though being PM is really in his skillset either. His core skill is getting fired from tourist boards for corruption.
But I agree with your central point. It’s like the candidates who claim they aren’t a politician, which always makes me smh, rme and vimm because 1) what a wank and 2) you’re basically saying you aren’t suitable. We’re hiring someone to be in parliament, a politician.
smh?
rme?
vimm?
It’s not as though being PM is really in his skillset either. His core skill is getting fired from tourist boards for corruption.
LOL
sarahs mum said:
Pretty biased, and very, very weak.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
I agree.
It’s kissing babies, ramped up.
Or smoking a stogie with the man on the street
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Pretty biased, and very, very weak.
They say the ABC is biased.
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Pretty biased, and very, very weak.
They say the ABC is biased.
I find the ABC to be about the least biased. And it stands to reason, too. They have to be able to work with whatever mob gets to run the place.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:Pretty biased, and very, very weak.
They say the ABC is biased.
I find the ABC to be about the least biased. And it stands to reason, too. They have to be able to work with whatever mob gets to run the place.
To be fair, the ABC should be the least biased, since they are funded by everybody.
Although why I should want to be fair to the Murdoch press, I don’t know.
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
Peak Warming Man said:
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
maybe there just aren’t enough rwnj applying to be audience members.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/fiji-pm-frank-bainimarama-insulting-scott-morrison-rift-pacific-countries?
Link?
Peak Warming Man said:
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
TATE makes no comment on audience selection procedures for Q&A, but it does say:
“An internal review commissioned by the ABC in the wake of the Mallah incident, conducted by television journalist Ray Martin and former SBS managing director Shaun Brown, noted that “The most commonly expressed criticism is that the program lacks impartiality and maintains a left wing anti-Coalition bias”; however, this criticism was found to be “not substantiated”.
After participating in the audit of the program, which entailed watching watching 23 programs of Q&A repeatedly and examining the transcripts, Martin wrote: “Q&A is a top-rating, professional but tightly-controlled, live television discussion, in which the only thing that’s unpredictable are the panellists’ answers… like it or loathe it, Q&A discusses serious politics and important social issues at a more intelligent level than anywhere else on Australian television”. He noted however that the only “chronic imbalance” within the show was of an under-representation of women on the panel and that it was “Sydney-centric”, mainly because it operates on a tight budget. He also told Sunrise that the Abbott Government’s boycott of the program was “silly” and that he suspected “Tony Jones was just as tough on the Labor government as he is on the Coalition”.”
Peak Warming Man said:
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
Isn’t it usually the Liberal government that gets upset with the ABC as some of the reporters can think as individuals and not carte blanche support every government action, i.e. the war against terror
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
TATE makes no comment on audience selection procedures for Q&A, but it does say:
“An internal review commissioned by the ABC in the wake of the Mallah incident, conducted by television journalist Ray Martin and former SBS managing director Shaun Brown, noted that “The most commonly expressed criticism is that the program lacks impartiality and maintains a left wing anti-Coalition bias”; however, this criticism was found to be “not substantiated”.
After participating in the audit of the program, which entailed watching watching 23 programs of Q&A repeatedly and examining the transcripts, Martin wrote: “Q&A is a top-rating, professional but tightly-controlled, live television discussion, in which the only thing that’s unpredictable are the panellists’ answers… like it or loathe it, Q&A discusses serious politics and important social issues at a more intelligent level than anywhere else on Australian television”. He noted however that the only “chronic imbalance” within the show was of an under-representation of women on the panel and that it was “Sydney-centric”, mainly because it operates on a tight budget. He also told Sunrise that the Abbott Government’s boycott of the program was “silly” and that he suspected “Tony Jones was just as tough on the Labor government as he is on the Coalition”.”
Plus perhaps the ABC reporters are people with morals and scruples and oppose the coalition as many of them are conservative status quo preservers with outdated ideals
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/young-people-climate-change-what-does-future-hold/100950770
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
TATE makes no comment on audience selection procedures for Q&A, but it does say:
“An internal review commissioned by the ABC in the wake of the Mallah incident, conducted by television journalist Ray Martin and former SBS managing director Shaun Brown, noted that “The most commonly expressed criticism is that the program lacks impartiality and maintains a left wing anti-Coalition bias”; however, this criticism was found to be “not substantiated”.
After participating in the audit of the program, which entailed watching watching 23 programs of Q&A repeatedly and examining the transcripts, Martin wrote: “Q&A is a top-rating, professional but tightly-controlled, live television discussion, in which the only thing that’s unpredictable are the panellists’ answers… like it or loathe it, Q&A discusses serious politics and important social issues at a more intelligent level than anywhere else on Australian television”. He noted however that the only “chronic imbalance” within the show was of an under-representation of women on the panel and that it was “Sydney-centric”, mainly because it operates on a tight budget. He also told Sunrise that the Abbott Government’s boycott of the program was “silly” and that he suspected “Tony Jones was just as tough on the Labor government as he is on the Coalition”.”
that can’t be right? DV writes wiki articles and we all know how red he is.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/labor-government-would-ditch-ag-visa-if-elected-party-says/101015564
Seems reasonable to me to use “locals” (Pacific people) and just utilize a system already in operation.
Boris said:
What sorta dickwit says “Oh…. let’s do the presser in front of a doofus sign that we’ll cover up.” Instead of “Let’s do the presser over there” and points to somewhere else.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/labor-government-would-ditch-ag-visa-if-elected-party-says/101015564Seems reasonable to me to use “locals” (Pacific people) and just utilize a system already in operation.
All they need to do is put down their occupation as ‘au pair’.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Seems reasonable to me to use “locals” (Pacific people) and just utilize a system already in operation.
All they need to do is put down their occupation as ‘au pair’.
but isn’t raising the kids agriculture
Boris said:
SCIENCE said:
remember this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/fiji-pm-frank-bainimarama-insulting-scott-morrison-rift-pacific-countries?
Link?
good point
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Stupidity has its own rewards.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Stupidity has its own rewards.
Karen Hayes arrested for conspiracy to train guide dogs to lead non Liberal voters into traffic
sibeen said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Stupidity has its own rewards.
But Frydenburg will live on to stupid another day.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Stupidity has its own rewards.
But Frydenburg will live on to stupid another day.
He wasn’t a very good doctor when he worked for Planet Express
F.Jordies
Morrison’s Liberals: Most Corrupt Ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUg9CAbFH3o
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Stupidity has its own rewards.
Karen Hayes arrested for conspiracy to train guide dogs to lead non Liberal voters into traffic
But Frydenburg will live on to stupid another day.
He wasn’t a very good doctor when he worked for Planet Express
so now all you CHINA apologists are supporting censorship of dog-loving people who provide services to disabled people
sibeen said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Stupidity has its own rewards.
Ha!
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-26/guide-dogs-victoria-ceo-karen-hayes-stood-down/101016474
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
:)
sarahs mum said:
OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
sarahs mum said:
the guy behind is saying he hasn’t a clue and the woman wants to take over because he hasn’t a clue.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
Give the guy a break.
He’s got to do something when he resigns from politics after the election.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
b team.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
Give the guy a break.
He’s got to do something when he resigns from politics after the election.
His pension will be something like tne and bit times my self funded pension. He could devote himself to doing good deeds and being useful.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
he should be wearing hi-vis too.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
Give the guy a break.
He’s got to do something when he resigns from politics after the election.
His pension will be something like tne and bit times my self funded pension. He could devote himself to doing good deeds and being useful.
He doesn’t hold hoses.
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A good example of the ABC’s political neutrality is the unbiased audience they select for their Q and A programme.
Isn’t it usually the Liberal government that gets upset with the ABC as some of the reporters can think as individuals and not carte blanche support every government action, i.e. the war against terror
The problem is the bac fact checks and presses the Libs on their lies. The commercil stations lap the lies up.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
he should be wearing hi-vis too.
The piping bag is wearing hi-vis…isn’t that enough for you?
party_pants said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:OK, we’ll give him the job as apprentice baker. He has the B on the cap, so I think he deserves it.
This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
he should be wearing hi-vis too.
Plus the totally wrong technique. Bag too full. doesn’t look twisted and tied off. big lump above his hand.
Boris said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:This is the photo that prompted my little outburst earlier about stupid things done in election campaigns. I’d prefer he had a hairnet or cooks cap on too, rather than that cap.
he should be wearing hi-vis too.
Plus the totally wrong technique. Bag too full. doesn’t look twisted and tied off. big lump above his hand.
That’s his head.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
party_pants said:he should be wearing hi-vis too.
Plus the totally wrong technique. Bag too full. doesn’t look twisted and tied off. big lump above his hand.
That’s his head.
I think the icing on the cake, if you’ll pardon the pun, would have been him having his tongue out.
sarahs mum said:
One looks amused, the other looks worried.
sarahs mum said:
Is that the green sharpie he’s gonna use to try to change the election result?
Kingy said:
sarahs mum said:
Is that the green sharpie he’s gonna use to try to change the election result?
Lies written in icing sugar?
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
I agree.
It’s kissing babies, ramped up.
Kissing babies and shaking hands.
Or vice versa, I can’t remember.
Either way, it’s how you get noticed.
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
I just saw some pictures on the ABC news site of ScoMo in a bakery. Honestly, does it really impress anyone at all when someone on the campaign trail “has a go” at something that is not in their skillset and they should leave alone? I don’t find it in any way comforting that they want to come in and pretend. Please just let me know how you intend to look after the populace if said populace chooses you from the candidates for the job of politician. Because that is the job you are applying for. You are not applying for a job in a bakery, or in a factory etc.(And yes, I know how it went for Labor last time when they let us know everything about their plans. I’d rather know as part of the job application, but apparently some people would rather have role playing in the job interview, even for roles that are not in the job description)
I agree.
It’s kissing babies, ramped up.
Kissing babies and shaking hands.
Or vice versa, I can’t remember.
Either way, it’s how you get noticed.
That was the Swiss Guard uniform design that we just missed out on.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
Michael V said:I agree.
It’s kissing babies, ramped up.
Kissing babies and shaking hands.
Or vice versa, I can’t remember.
Either way, it’s how you get noticed.
That was the Swiss Guard uniform design that we just missed out on.
Designed by Woodie :)
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
Michael V said:I agree.
It’s kissing babies, ramped up.
Kissing babies and shaking hands.
Or vice versa, I can’t remember.
Either way, it’s how you get noticed.
That was the Swiss Guard uniform design that we just missed out on.
Wardrobe by Sorbent.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:Kissing babies and shaking hands.
Or vice versa, I can’t remember.
Either way, it’s how you get noticed.
That was the Swiss Guard uniform design that we just missed out on.
Wardrobe by Sorbent.
You wouldn’t catch me kissing the Pope’s ring!
Boris said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That was the Swiss Guard uniform design that we just missed out on.
Wardrobe by Sorbent.
You wouldn’t catch me kissing the Pope’s ring!
The best way not to get caught ….
Peter Dutton marks Anzac Day by again comparing China and Russia to Nazi Germany before World War II
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-25/peter-dutton-anzac-day-china-russia-nazi-germany/101013116
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Morrison texting during the dawn service.
—-
These guys need to reminded how to Anzac day.
sarahs mum said:
Peter Dutton marks Anzac Day by again comparing China and Russia to Nazi Germany before World War II
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-25/peter-dutton-anzac-day-china-russia-nazi-germany/101013116
——Morrison texting during the dawn service.
—-
These guys need to reminded how to Anzac day.
but why, when they can just point at (1) a war and (2) a country seemingly trying as hard as it can to prevent SARACAIDS and scream “look over there”
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
Peter Dutton marks Anzac Day by again comparing China and Russia to Nazi Germany before World War II
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-25/peter-dutton-anzac-day-china-russia-nazi-germany/101013116
——Morrison texting during the dawn service.
—-
These guys need to reminded how to Anzac day.
but why, when they can just point at (1) a war and (2) a country seemingly trying as hard as it can to prevent SARACAIDS and scream “look over there”
sorry we forgot to add
There is no point in beating your chest if you’re beaten to the punch.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/lib-hopeful-backs-deves-and-says-climate-emergency-warnings-border-on-child-abuse-20220426-p5ag7q.html
Lib hopeful backs Deves and says climate emergency warnings border on child abuse
Boris said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/lib-hopeful-backs-deves-and-says-climate-emergency-warnings-border-on-child-abuse-20220426-p5ag7q.htmlLib hopeful backs Deves and says climate emergency warnings border on child abuse
Someone needs to throw these people off the edge of the flat earrth.
Trans women’s participation in sport is an election issue?Here’s what the science says
roughbarked said:
Trans women’s participation in sport is an election issue?Here’s what the science says
Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Trans women’s participation in sport is an election issue?Here’s what the science says
Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
Correct.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Trans women’s participation in sport is an election issue?Here’s what the science says
Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
Correct.
…so why is it an election issue? The Libs are proposing a budget for the studies?
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
Correct.
…so why is it an election issue? The Libs are proposing a budget for the studies?
It is an election issue because the Libs are employing it.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Trans women’s participation in sport is an election issue?Here’s what the science says
Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
Correct.
From that piece:
“My patients tell me they don’t , my patients tell me they lose strength and can’t do the physical work that they used to,” she says.
This is not comparing their capabilities to those who went through a female puberty. It is only comparing them to their own experience of how they were and how they are. Male puberty provides acknowledged advantages in terms of muscles and bone and strength.
And the three year study quoted says:
>> Androgendeprivation of M – F decreased muscle mass, increasing the overlap with untreated F – M, but mean muscle mass remained significantly higher in M – F than in F – M. Androgen administration to F – M increased muscle mass without inducing an advantage over non treated M – F. The conclusion is that androgen deprivation in M – F increases the overlap in muscle mass with women but does not reverse it, statistically.<<
https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/151/4/425.xml
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
Correct.
…so why is it an election issue? The Libs are proposing a budget for the studies?
I doubt that it really is an election issue really.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Trans women’s participation in sport is an election issue?Here’s what the science says
Which says…we don’t know. The studies are not there.
Correct.
…so why is it an election issue? The Libs are proposing a budget for the studies?
It is an election issue because the Libs are employing it.
From that piece:
“My patients tell me they don’t , my patients tell me they lose strength and can’t do the physical work that they used to,” she says.
This is not comparing their capabilities to those who went through a female puberty. It is only comparing them to their own experience of how they were and how they are. Male puberty provides acknowledged advantages in terms of muscles and bone and strength.
And the three year study quoted says:
>> Androgendeprivation of M – F decreased muscle mass, increasing the overlap with untreated F – M, but mean muscle mass remained significantly higher in M – F than in F – M. Androgen administration to F – M increased muscle mass without inducing an advantage over non treated M – F. The conclusion is that androgen deprivation in M – F increases the overlap in muscle mass with women but does not reverse it, statistically.<<
https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/151/4/425.xml
did we say all these things
Morgan Poll has 54.5 – 45.5 today.
I thought you were away.
sibeen said:
I thought you were away.
I am.
dv said:
sibeen said:
I thought you were away.
I am.
you’re remote foruming?
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:Correct.
…so why is it an election issue? The Libs are proposing a budget for the studies?
I doubt that it really is an election issue really.
it’s a dog whistle for proponents of particular identity politics… The LibNats have given up on Warringah, so what they’ve done is used Deves as a mouthpiece to call out this issue in hope that it build support for the govt in more conservative (most likely Western Sydney) electorates where these sorts of views are more prevalent.
Boris said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
I thought you were away.
I am.
you’re remote foruming?
See, the pandemic has taught people how to live remotely…
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:…so why is it an election issue? The Libs are proposing a budget for the studies?
I doubt that it really is an election issue really.
it’s a dog whistle for proponents of particular identity politics… The LibNats have given up on Warringah, so what they’ve done is used Deves as a mouthpiece to call out this issue in hope that it build support for the govt in more conservative (most likely Western Sydney) electorates where these sorts of views are more prevalent.
Misdirection, I think the magicians call it.
>>But the NSW Teachers’ Federation has also authorised teaching staff to walk off school grounds if a NSW government MP enters,<<
An interesting tactic. From here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-27/teachers-walk-out-ahead-of-nsw-premier-school-visit-/101018158
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:I doubt that it really is an election issue really.
it’s a dog whistle for proponents of particular identity politics… The LibNats have given up on Warringah, so what they’ve done is used Deves as a mouthpiece to call out this issue in hope that it build support for the govt in more conservative (most likely Western Sydney) electorates where these sorts of views are more prevalent.
Misdirection, I think the magicians call it.
there is nothing misdirection about it.. it’s very apparent and they aren’t trying to hide it in any way.. ScoMo’s comments on “not cancelling” Ms Deves is exactly what the conservatives what to hear; they want to be told that it’s OK to have these sorts of views and that PC woke-ness is a problem in 2022 Australia.
Senator Nick McKim
2 hrs ·
Yet again Hobart and a huge swathe of southern Tasmania are blanketed in smoke from logging burns. And the Bureau of Meteorology says will probably be with us for a few days yet.
Like it has for many decades, Forestry Tasmania been torching native forests they recently cut down. This is a crime against nature, and unthinkable idiocy during a climate catastrophe.
It’s a nightmare for people with asthma and breathing difficulties, and casts a toxic pall over our great state.
But this is what the native forest logging industry looks like, and it has the full throated support of the Labor and Liberal parties. Please remember that when you go to vote on May 21.
sarahs mum said:
Senator Nick McKim
2 hrs ·
Yet again Hobart and a huge swathe of southern Tasmania are blanketed in smoke from logging burns. And the Bureau of Meteorology says will probably be with us for a few days yet.
Like it has for many decades, Forestry Tasmania been torching native forests they recently cut down. This is a crime against nature, and unthinkable idiocy during a climate catastrophe.
It’s a nightmare for people with asthma and breathing difficulties, and casts a toxic pall over our great state.
But this is what the native forest logging industry looks like, and it has the full throated support of the Labor and Liberal parties. Please remember that when you go to vote on May 21.
don’t they burn to provide an ash bed for the regeneration?
Boris said:
sarahs mum said:
Senator Nick McKim
2 hrs ·
Yet again Hobart and a huge swathe of southern Tasmania are blanketed in smoke from logging burns. And the Bureau of Meteorology says will probably be with us for a few days yet.
Like it has for many decades, Forestry Tasmania been torching native forests they recently cut down. This is a crime against nature, and unthinkable idiocy during a climate catastrophe.
It’s a nightmare for people with asthma and breathing difficulties, and casts a toxic pall over our great state.
But this is what the native forest logging industry looks like, and it has the full throated support of the Labor and Liberal parties. Please remember that when you go to vote on May 21.
don’t they burn to provide an ash bed for the regeneration?
yes.
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:
sarahs mum said:
Senator Nick McKim
2 hrs ·
Yet again Hobart and a huge swathe of southern Tasmania are blanketed in smoke from logging burns. And the Bureau of Meteorology says will probably be with us for a few days yet.
Like it has for many decades, Forestry Tasmania been torching native forests they recently cut down. This is a crime against nature, and unthinkable idiocy during a climate catastrophe.
It’s a nightmare for people with asthma and breathing difficulties, and casts a toxic pall over our great state.
But this is what the native forest logging industry looks like, and it has the full throated support of the Labor and Liberal parties. Please remember that when you go to vote on May 21.
don’t they burn to provide an ash bed for the regeneration?
yes.
Wouldn’t a bed of rotting logs full of critters be better for the trees and environment than a sterile bed of Ash?
Or is there some sarcasm that went over my head?
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Boris said:don’t they burn to provide an ash bed for the regeneration?
yes.
Wouldn’t a bed of rotting logs full of critters be better for the trees and environment than a sterile bed of Ash?
Or is there some sarcasm that went over my head?
No sarcasm. Some eucalypts need an ash bed to germinate their seeds.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/27/pms-office-wont-release-any-texts-with-qanon-friend-arguing-they-would-not-be-official-documents
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-27/federal-election-morrison-clears-up-canavan-net-zero-comments/101019950
I’ve mentioned before that I always get a giggle out of Annabel Crabbe’s pieces.
“The major issue with the teals — and the one that seems to provoke the heavy precipitation of toys from Liberal prams — is that some of these chicks might actually win.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/27/business-backs-government-climate-policy-that-morrison-says-is-a-carbon-tax-when-attacking-labor
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-27/federal-election-morrison-clears-up-canavan-net-zero-comments/101019950I’ve mentioned before that I always get a giggle out of Annabel Crabbe’s pieces.
“The major issue with the teals — and the one that seems to provoke the heavy precipitation of toys from Liberal prams — is that some of these chicks might actually win.”
They come across as earnest, articulate, dedicated, intelligent and worthy. The threat is actual representation.
I wish I had one. Or a Wilkie.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-27/federal-election-morrison-clears-up-canavan-net-zero-comments/101019950I’ve mentioned before that I always get a giggle out of Annabel Crabbe’s pieces.
“The major issue with the teals — and the one that seems to provoke the heavy precipitation of toys from Liberal prams — is that some of these chicks might actually win.”
They come across as earnest, articulate, dedicated, intelligent and worthy. The threat is actual representation.
I wish I had one. Or a Wilkie.
The Shovel:
‘“We’re not at all concerned about independent candidates”, all 112 Coalition MPs say in carefully-coordinated daily messaging campaign ‘
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2022/04/27/not-concerned-about-independents/
What is Labor’s Safeguard Mechanism plan? Is it a ‘sneaky carbon tax’ or a sensible way to cut emissions?
How does the mechanism work? How is it different to the Coalition’s plan? And what does industry say?
By Mike Foley
APRIL 27, 2022
A storm is brewing yet again over a Labor Party climate policy. It must be an election campaign. The Coalition is accusing the opposition of an economy-damaging carbon tax and Labor is fending off the claims with the promise of lower greenhouse gas emissions and more jobs.
If Labor forms government, it has committed to reduce Australia’s greenhouse emissions from 2005 levels by 43 per cent by 2030 – and to reach net zero by 2050. The Safeguard Mechanism is one way to help achieve this.
But it’s particularly controversial in the context of an election because it would force miners and manufacturers to invest in cleaner technology, and any climate policies that affect these industries have been the stuff of scare campaigns for the past decade.
So, how would Labor’s Safeguard Mechanism work? How is it different to the Coalition’s plan? What do the numbers show? And what does industry say?
What’s Labor’s plan for a Safeguard Mechanism?
The Coalition actually established the Safeguard Mechanism in 2016 but didn’t apply pollution limits to force companies to reduce their emissions. The Labor plan for the mechanism sets pollution limits on Australia’s 215 biggest carbon polluters, which each create more than 100,000 tonnes of greenhouse gases a year, generating a total of 140 million tonnes of greenhouse gases. That’s 28 per cent of Australia’s emissions, which stand at 501.5 million tonnes a year.
Since the Coalition created the Safeguard Mechanism, emissions by these 215 companies have grown 7 per cent.
The list of big polluters includes coal mines, coal plants, aluminium smelters, cement producers and so on. Labor would set pollution caps on these companies that tighten over time, which it says would give the companies time to adjust their operations and reduce their emissions in a manageable way. But Labor has not detailed what those caps would be.
The companies would have a range of options to cut their pollution including clean technology, emissions offsets or emissions capture. For example, an aluminium smelter could use technology to replace its gas-fired furnaces with renewable energy. A coal mine could capture the greenhouse emissions that are typically released into the atmosphere when a coal seam is tapped.
Or a company could offset its emissions. This means it doesn’t reduce its pollution level but invests in projects that use natural processes such as tree planting to sequester carbon from the atmosphere into trees or the soil. Alternately, the safeguard mechanism could allow one company to offset its emissions by buying credits earned by other polluters who have cut emissions beyond their pollution limits and have extra to spare.
Is this Safety Mechanism a carbon tax?
Setting pollution limits on companies is not a tax. Polluters do not pay a fee if they exceed their limit. Instead, they are forced to buy offsets equivalent to the volume of carbon emissions that exceeded their cap.
Australian energy policy has been dominated by scare campaigns about the detrimental impact of taxing polluters based on their level of carbon emissions, despite most economists agreeing it is the most economically efficient way to reduce emissions.
This election campaign is no different. Prime Minister Scott Morrison says Labor is imposing a “sneaky carbon tax” on industry with the Safeguard Mechanism. “What Labor has is a tax, a sneaky carbon tax on traditional industries in this country and that’s not good for regional Australia,” Morrison said on April 27.
When asked how he could label Labor’s plan a carbon tax when it uses a mechanism created by the Coalition, Morrison said the difference was in “how the thresholds work”. “What Labor is doing is binding them on this and issuing penalties on those companies – so they couldn’t be more different,” he said.
Labor leader Anthony Albanese says, “there will be no carbon tax, ever” under a government he leads.
But forcing companies to buy offsets means they will pay a price for their carbon pollution, and the term “carbon price” has become synonymous with carbon tax scare campaigns over the past decade.
The climate plans from Labor and the Coalition have assumed it would cost no more than $24 a tonne by 2050 to buy one tonne of carbon offsets. However, it is not compulsory for any company to pay this price. They could avoid purchasing offsets by adopting cleaner technology.
The Coalition has also committed to reach net zero emissions by 2050, but it has a crucial difference to Labor’s plan. Its policy hinges on the assumption that companies will voluntarily reduce their emissions with uptake of cleaner technology, while Labor has imposed limits under the Safeguard Mechanism.
It remains unclear what the Coalition will do if new technologies are insufficient to deliver the anticipated emissions reduction.
What do the crunched numbers show?
The safeguard mechanism is not expected to be Labor’s biggest-ticket emissions reduction policy. It has also set an ambitious goal to spend $20 billion upgrading the electricity grid to cut coal power emissions and increase pollution-free renewable generation to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030.
But not emissions are all equal, and industrial emissions are harder to reduce than power generation.
Some sectors such as transport are expected to see dramatic pollution drop-offs as the relatively mature and, ultimately, cheaper technology of electric vehicles replaces internal combustion engines. Agriculture is hoping to offset emissions from methane-burping cows and farm equipment with broadscale tree planting and soil carbon sequestration.
But, while there are already emerging clean-technology options for industrial processes in mining, smelting, cement manufacture, steel production and so on, the commercial uptake is not as certain.
Labor commissioned modelling from energy analyst Reputex that took the opposition’s policy parameters and made projections of the future scenarios. It modelled what would happen to the Safeguard Mechanism companies – which together produce 140 million tonnes of greenhouse gases a year – if they had had their pollution limits tightened over time to force a 26 per cent cut of 36 million tonnes.
Reputex said companies would spend $1.68 billion in new technologies, upgrades and carbon offsets, while a future Labor government could be expected to allocate $3 billion from its $15 million National Reconstruction Fund for loans and underwriting these investments.
This industrial and carbon farming expansion was projected to generate 1600 new jobs.
What does industry say?
Labor has promised that no emissions-intensive, trade-exposed industry – including coal miners that export to the global market – would face pollution limits that put them at an economic disadvantage to the international competitors. It has also pledged there would be no net job losses.
The Clean Energy Regulator would be tasked with setting the pollution caps and how they would apply across all 215 safeguard mechanism companies. It is expected that companies with a cheaper pathway to swifter emissions reduction targets would cop tighter limits earlier than those where it is more expensive to reduce pollution.
About two-thirds of the companies captured by the Safety Mechanism have committed to reach net zero emissions by 2050.
In a major turnaround since the 2019 election, when it opposed Labor’s climate policy, the Business Council of Australia has backed the Safeguard Mechanism.
“The Safeguard Mechanism is already in place alongside a suite of other measures to reduce emissions, with careful consultation with industry we believe it is the right incentive to drive investment, deliver more jobs and meet our net-zero commitments,” the council said.
Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox said of Labor’s policy in December that firm and predictable emissions reduction requirements “help underpin transformative industry investments”.
“Building on the existing Safeguard Mechanism is an obvious place for any government to start. While hardly the perfect climate policy tool, the safeguard is a familiar system established and refined by the current government over the past seven years. Industry has long expected that sooner or later baselines would ratchet down to drive abatement.”
Whitehaven Coal boss Paul Flynn said on April 26 that Labor’s plan appeared to be a tax on carbon.
“It certainly looks as if some in want to turn an emissions reporting mechanism into a carbon levy by stealth,” he said.
The National Farmers Federation said in December that Labor’s plan for the Safeguard Mechanism was a “sensible lever and well targeted”.
International Monetary Fund Australia mission chief Harald Finger said in September, given Australia was not using a carbon price to drive down greenhouse gases, it should tighten the Safeguard Mechanism to drive down industrial emissions.
The Minerals Council of Australia has said it wants to consult with Labor over its plans.
The Carbon Market Institute’s Climate Policy Survey found last year that 79 per cent of businesses supported strengthening the Safeguard Mechanism.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-labor-s-safeguard-mechanism-is-it-a-sneaky-carbon-tax-or-a-sensible-way-to-cut-emissions-20220427-p5agkd.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
What do the crunched numbers show?
The safeguard mechanism is not expected to be Labor’s biggest-ticket emissions reduction policy. It has also set an ambitious goal to spend $20 billion upgrading the electricity grid to cut coal power emissions and increase pollution-free renewable generation to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030.https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-labor-s-safeguard-mechanism-is-it-a-sneaky-carbon-tax-or-a-sensible-way-to-cut-emissions-20220427-p5agkd.html
That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
Thanks Mr Rejoinder, I’ve been meaning to look up whay this is all about.
So in short Labor want to use market mechanisms by making future costs visible, whereas “Liberals” want to use central government direction to keep these costs hidden.
Anyway, if Morisson can convince me that Labor are really going to have a carbon tax (sneaky or otherwise) I might put Labor ahead of Greens.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What do the crunched numbers show?
The safeguard mechanism is not expected to be Labor’s biggest-ticket emissions reduction policy. It has also set an ambitious goal to spend $20 billion upgrading the electricity grid to cut coal power emissions and increase pollution-free renewable generation to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030.https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-labor-s-safeguard-mechanism-is-it-a-sneaky-carbon-tax-or-a-sensible-way-to-cut-emissions-20220427-p5agkd.html
That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
Reading the article, it does rather sound like Albanese is so keen to have it both ways this will be just as ineffective as the predcessor carbon not taxes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What do the crunched numbers show?
The safeguard mechanism is not expected to be Labor’s biggest-ticket emissions reduction policy. It has also set an ambitious goal to spend $20 billion upgrading the electricity grid to cut coal power emissions and increase pollution-free renewable generation to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030.https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-labor-s-safeguard-mechanism-is-it-a-sneaky-carbon-tax-or-a-sensible-way-to-cut-emissions-20220427-p5agkd.html
That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
Reading the article, it does rather sound like Albanese is so keen to have it both ways this will be just as ineffective as the predcessor carbon not taxes.
Increasing renewables by 7% a year is not undoable.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
Reading the article, it does rather sound like Albanese is so keen to have it both ways this will be just as ineffective as the predcessor carbon not taxes.
Increasing renewables by 7% a year is not undoable.
Yeah, it really is.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
Reading the article, it does rather sound like Albanese is so keen to have it both ways this will be just as ineffective as the predcessor carbon not taxes.
Increasing renewables by 7% a year is not undoable.
I make it 8.5% a year, but that’s % of current total output. That’s about a 60% increase in renewable output/year, over current renewables.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What do the crunched numbers show?
The safeguard mechanism is not expected to be Labor’s biggest-ticket emissions reduction policy. It has also set an ambitious goal to spend $20 billion upgrading the electricity grid to cut coal power emissions and increase pollution-free renewable generation to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030.https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-labor-s-safeguard-mechanism-is-it-a-sneaky-carbon-tax-or-a-sensible-way-to-cut-emissions-20220427-p5agkd.html
That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
more wind, solar and hydro I would assume… It’s not exactly rocket science
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Reading the article, it does rather sound like Albanese is so keen to have it both ways this will be just as ineffective as the predcessor carbon not taxes.
Increasing renewables by 7% a year is not undoable.
Yeah, it really is.
what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:What do the crunched numbers show?
The safeguard mechanism is not expected to be Labor’s biggest-ticket emissions reduction policy. It has also set an ambitious goal to spend $20 billion upgrading the electricity grid to cut coal power emissions and increase pollution-free renewable generation to 82 per cent of the grid by 2030.https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/what-is-labor-s-safeguard-mechanism-is-it-a-sneaky-carbon-tax-or-a-sensible-way-to-cut-emissions-20220427-p5agkd.html
That’s entering fantasy land. Currently about 14% of the energy provided by the grid is by renewables. Getting that to 82% in eight years – I really want to see some breakdown figures on how that is supposed to be achieved.
more wind, solar and hydro I would assume… It’s not exactly rocket science
Yeah, it’s much harder than rocket science.
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:Increasing renewables by 7% a year is not undoable.
Yeah, it really is.
what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:Yeah, it really is.
what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
ignoring capital for a second.. the unit cost of power generation from renewables is much lower than coal or gas, so the economics will inevitably drive that transition, even if nothing else does.. I mean renewable power should be less-expensive than what we currently have (even without any direct cost on carbon).
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:Yeah, it really is.
what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
ie. I don’t see much ‘pretending’ happening.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
ignoring capital for a second.. the unit cost of power generation from renewables is much lower than coal or gas, so the economics will inevitably drive that transition, even if nothing else does.. I mean renewable power should be less-expensive than what we currently have (even without any direct cost on carbon).
But
1) Why would you ignore capital?
2) Renewables are cheaper for the low hanging fruit, when you can use the output locally without any storage losses, but may not be when you have to add in costs of storage losses, transport and back up power.
3) Even with all the low hanging fruit available, the current rate of uptake of renewables is nowhere near enough to reach the 84% target by 2030, so if it is so cheap, why isn’t everybody doing it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without
costing the end user or the taxpayer a centbringing in a tax regime which would compel big companies to actually pay proper tax on the profits that they make in this country.
Fixed.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:what’s the limiting factor? money, time, access to land?
I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
Well certainly in this forum of above average thinkers we are, but if that is the case why was their scare campaign on carbon taxes so successful last time?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Well certainly in this forum of above average thinkers we are, but if that is the case why was their scare campaign on carbon taxes so successful last time?
Interviewer: what do you know about carbon taxes and how they work?
Man-in-the-street: Not much, but from all the ads i’ve seen lately, they must be bad.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
ie. I don’t see much ‘pretending’ happening.
eh?
The Coalition are pushing their low cost reliable power bandwagon all the time, and Albanese is not so far behind.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
Well certainly in this forum of above average thinkers we are, but if that is the case why was their scare campaign on carbon taxes so successful last time?
I expect because usage taxes are not as progressive as the tax system.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without
costing the end user or the taxpayer a centbringing in a tax regime which would compel big companies to actually pay proper tax on the profits that they make in this country.Fixed.
Company tax is a separate issue, and thinking that all the cost of transition to renewables is going to come out of company profits is a convenient Green myth.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
ie. I don’t see much ‘pretending’ happening.
eh?
The Coalition are pushing their low cost reliable power bandwagon all the time, and Albanese is not so far behind.
I don’t agree that the average punter thinks Scomo’s spiel is a free lunch.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think most people familiar with the Coalition’s ‘big government’ approach to renewables understand that the taxpayer ultimately pays for it.
Well certainly in this forum of above average thinkers we are, but if that is the case why was their scare campaign on carbon taxes so successful last time?
I expect because usage taxes are not as progressive as the tax system.
Sure they are if they use part of the income to reduce low income taxes and increase income support, which is what the Labor scheme did.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:ie. I don’t see much ‘pretending’ happening.
eh?
The Coalition are pushing their low cost reliable power bandwagon all the time, and Albanese is not so far behind.
I don’t agree that the average punter thinks Scomo’s spiel is a free lunch.
I am not explaining myself properly this morning. sigh
I would argue that Scomo’s policies of an easy transition through technology etc are not accompanied by much spin that the government will do it on the cheap. He certainly makes enough big ticket announcements promising government intervention to help foster an appearance of budget largesse which I think will cut through to most people IMO.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well certainly in this forum of above average thinkers we are, but if that is the case why was their scare campaign on carbon taxes so successful last time?
I expect because usage taxes are not as progressive as the tax system.
Sure they are if they use part of the income to reduce low income taxes and increase income support, which is what the Labor scheme did.
No argument there.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without
costing the end user or the taxpayer a centbringing in a tax regime which would compel big companies to actually pay proper tax on the profits that they make in this country.Fixed.
Company tax is a separate issue, and thinking that all the cost of transition to renewables is going to come out of company profits is a convenient Green myth.
I’m not suggesting that ll ofthe cost can come out of company tax.
But a damn sight more of it could than the current situation permits.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think access to land is a big problem in Australia, although it would certainly slow things down in some cases.
But money is a big problem when both political parties are pretending you can do all that needs doing and more without costing the end user or the taxpayer a cent.
ignoring capital for a second.. the unit cost of power generation from renewables is much lower than coal or gas, so the economics will inevitably drive that transition, even if nothing else does.. I mean renewable power should be less-expensive than what we currently have (even without any direct cost on carbon).
But
1) Why would you ignore capital?
2) Renewables are cheaper for the low hanging fruit, when you can use the output locally without any storage losses, but may not be when you have to add in costs of storage losses, transport and back up power.
3) Even with all the low hanging fruit available, the current rate of uptake of renewables is nowhere near enough to reach the 84% target by 2030, so if it is so cheap, why isn’t everybody doing it?
I’m ignoring capital because by-and-large all the current coal generators have paid off their initial investments many times over so it’s important to look at things on an apples-and-apples basis. When investments in new infrastructure are made then you need to think about the return on investment… further to that, I can’t for the life of me understand why renewables would have a higher cost per installed kW. The economics are clear…
On (2), that may, or may not, be the case… I’d imagine the cost of storage will change significantly over the next decade.
on (3) the reason companies aren’t taking it up that fast is because right now there is not a requirement for largely increased generation capacity (this will however change as power stations start to close).. the power generators aren’t stupid, and obviously we won’t see a perfectly linear uptake. It’s more likely that there will be a series of step changes over time.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:ignoring capital for a second.. the unit cost of power generation from renewables is much lower than coal or gas, so the economics will inevitably drive that transition, even if nothing else does.. I mean renewable power should be less-expensive than what we currently have (even without any direct cost on carbon).
But
1) Why would you ignore capital?
2) Renewables are cheaper for the low hanging fruit, when you can use the output locally without any storage losses, but may not be when you have to add in costs of storage losses, transport and back up power.
3) Even with all the low hanging fruit available, the current rate of uptake of renewables is nowhere near enough to reach the 84% target by 2030, so if it is so cheap, why isn’t everybody doing it?
I’m ignoring capital because by-and-large all the current coal generators have paid off their initial investments many times over so it’s important to look at things on an apples-and-apples basis. When investments in new infrastructure are made then you need to think about the return on investment… further to that, I can’t for the life of me understand why renewables would have a higher cost per installed kW. The economics are clear…
On (2), that may, or may not, be the case… I’d imagine the cost of storage will change significantly over the next decade.
on (3) the reason companies aren’t taking it up that fast is because right now there is not a requirement for largely increased generation capacity (this will however change as power stations start to close).. the power generators aren’t stupid, and obviously we won’t see a perfectly linear uptake. It’s more likely that there will be a series of step changes over time.
2) – I doubt it :) If we wanted to back-up Australia’s grid for 24 hours using battery storage it would require two years of the world’s output of batteries.
As to the cost of renewables, sure, on a unit basis they may be cheaper, but the unit basis is not a viable way of working it out. Solar has a capacity factor of around 25% and wind is about 30%, so you need to install around 3 times nameplate capacity of solar, or twice wind to get similar energy production of a gas fired plant – and that doesn’t take into account the storage that is required.
Got my postal vote paperwork in the letterbox today.
Three or four lower house people I’d rather not put a number in their respective box, but the rules state that I have to number each of the six boxes.
Upper house, plenty of options, so less distaste in numbering those.
Spiny Norman said:
Got my postal vote paperwork in the letterbox today.
Three or four lower house people I’d rather not put a number in their respective box, but the rules state that I have to number each of the six boxes.
Upper house, plenty of options, so less distaste in numbering those.
Is it still good for me to put eric abetz as last when it is not likely he will get in anyway because of the position they have got him on the ballot?
sarahs mum said:
Spiny Norman said:
Got my postal vote paperwork in the letterbox today.
Three or four lower house people I’d rather not put a number in their respective box, but the rules state that I have to number each of the six boxes.
Upper house, plenty of options, so less distaste in numbering those.
Is it still good for me to put eric abetz as last when it is not likely he will get in anyway because of the position they have got him on the ballot?
Quite likely.
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But
1) Why would you ignore capital?
2) Renewables are cheaper for the low hanging fruit, when you can use the output locally without any storage losses, but may not be when you have to add in costs of storage losses, transport and back up power.
3) Even with all the low hanging fruit available, the current rate of uptake of renewables is nowhere near enough to reach the 84% target by 2030, so if it is so cheap, why isn’t everybody doing it?
I’m ignoring capital because by-and-large all the current coal generators have paid off their initial investments many times over so it’s important to look at things on an apples-and-apples basis. When investments in new infrastructure are made then you need to think about the return on investment… further to that, I can’t for the life of me understand why renewables would have a higher cost per installed kW. The economics are clear…
On (2), that may, or may not, be the case… I’d imagine the cost of storage will change significantly over the next decade.
on (3) the reason companies aren’t taking it up that fast is because right now there is not a requirement for largely increased generation capacity (this will however change as power stations start to close).. the power generators aren’t stupid, and obviously we won’t see a perfectly linear uptake. It’s more likely that there will be a series of step changes over time.
2) – I doubt it :) If we wanted to back-up Australia’s grid for 24 hours using battery storage it would require two years of the world’s output of batteries.
As to the cost of renewables, sure, on a unit basis they may be cheaper, but the unit basis is not a viable way of working it out. Solar has a capacity factor of around 25% and wind is about 30%, so you need to install around 3 times nameplate capacity of solar, or twice wind to get similar energy production of a gas fired plant – and that doesn’t take into account the storage that is required.
but we don;t need to back up 100% of the total capacity right now
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:I’m ignoring capital because by-and-large all the current coal generators have paid off their initial investments many times over so it’s important to look at things on an apples-and-apples basis. When investments in new infrastructure are made then you need to think about the return on investment… further to that, I can’t for the life of me understand why renewables would have a higher cost per installed kW. The economics are clear…
On (2), that may, or may not, be the case… I’d imagine the cost of storage will change significantly over the next decade.
on (3) the reason companies aren’t taking it up that fast is because right now there is not a requirement for largely increased generation capacity (this will however change as power stations start to close).. the power generators aren’t stupid, and obviously we won’t see a perfectly linear uptake. It’s more likely that there will be a series of step changes over time.
2) – I doubt it :) If we wanted to back-up Australia’s grid for 24 hours using battery storage it would require two years of the world’s output of batteries.
As to the cost of renewables, sure, on a unit basis they may be cheaper, but the unit basis is not a viable way of working it out. Solar has a capacity factor of around 25% and wind is about 30%, so you need to install around 3 times nameplate capacity of solar, or twice wind to get similar energy production of a gas fired plant – and that doesn’t take into account the storage that is required.
but we don;t need to back up 100% of the total capacity right now
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But if you’re at 80% plus renewable you certainly do need a shit load of back-up, and no grid manager is going to be happy with only 24 hours worth of back-up. So you’re looking at installing about 3 times the existing generating capacity in wind and solar and a shit load of storage – whether that be in batteries or pumped hydro – all in the next eight years.
Not possible.
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:2) – I doubt it :) If we wanted to back-up Australia’s grid for 24 hours using battery storage it would require two years of the world’s output of batteries.
As to the cost of renewables, sure, on a unit basis they may be cheaper, but the unit basis is not a viable way of working it out. Solar has a capacity factor of around 25% and wind is about 30%, so you need to install around 3 times nameplate capacity of solar, or twice wind to get similar energy production of a gas fired plant – and that doesn’t take into account the storage that is required.
but we don;t need to back up 100% of the total capacity right now
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But if you’re at 80% plus renewable you certainly do need a shit load of back-up, and no grid manager is going to be happy with only 24 hours worth of back-up. So you’re looking at installing about 3 times the existing generating capacity in wind and solar and a shit load of storage – whether that be in batteries or pumped hydro – all in the next eight years.
Not possible.
I mean it is possible.. it would just cost A LOT
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:but we don;t need to back up 100% of the total capacity right now
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But if you’re at 80% plus renewable you certainly do need a shit load of back-up, and no grid manager is going to be happy with only 24 hours worth of back-up. So you’re looking at installing about 3 times the existing generating capacity in wind and solar and a shit load of storage – whether that be in batteries or pumped hydro – all in the next eight years.
Not possible.
I mean it is possible.. it would just cost A LOT
No, I very much doubt you could throw an almost infinite sum at it and get it done. Supply constraint issues would fuck you up for sure. We’re certainly not the only country that wants to get windmills and solar panels – you may have heard that there is a little bit of an energy issue in Europe at the moment – i don’t think we could get enough equipment delivered, let alone have it and the associated infrastructure installed in anywhere near that period.
There is also a crap ton of engineering that needs to go into the design of how the grid is transitioned from a high inertia system to one with a very low inertia. That causes a host of issues that need to be resolved. And then the storage will really trip you up. We just couldn’t get the amount of batteries required and pumped hydro cannot be done at scale in anywhere near that with those time constraints just taking into account the political pushback that would occur with nearly every proposed site.
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:But if you’re at 80% plus renewable you certainly do need a shit load of back-up, and no grid manager is going to be happy with only 24 hours worth of back-up. So you’re looking at installing about 3 times the existing generating capacity in wind and solar and a shit load of storage – whether that be in batteries or pumped hydro – all in the next eight years.
Not possible.
I mean it is possible.. it would just cost A LOT
No, I very much doubt you could throw an almost infinite sum at it and get it done. Supply constraint issues would fuck you up for sure. We’re certainly not the only country that wants to get windmills and solar panels – you may have heard that there is a little bit of an energy issue in Europe at the moment – i don’t think we could get enough equipment delivered, let alone have it and the associated infrastructure installed in anywhere near that period.
There is also a crap ton of engineering that needs to go into the design of how the grid is transitioned from a high inertia system to one with a very low inertia. That causes a host of issues that need to be resolved. And then the storage will really trip you up. We just couldn’t get the amount of batteries required and pumped hydro cannot be done at scale in anywhere near that with those time constraints just taking into account the political pushback that would occur with nearly every proposed site.
with an almost infinite sum of money I could dig a lot of very deep holes all over the place in 8 years.. #justsaying
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:I mean it is possible.. it would just cost A LOT
No, I very much doubt you could throw an almost infinite sum at it and get it done. Supply constraint issues would fuck you up for sure. We’re certainly not the only country that wants to get windmills and solar panels – you may have heard that there is a little bit of an energy issue in Europe at the moment – i don’t think we could get enough equipment delivered, let alone have it and the associated infrastructure installed in anywhere near that period.
There is also a crap ton of engineering that needs to go into the design of how the grid is transitioned from a high inertia system to one with a very low inertia. That causes a host of issues that need to be resolved. And then the storage will really trip you up. We just couldn’t get the amount of batteries required and pumped hydro cannot be done at scale in anywhere near that with those time constraints just taking into account the political pushback that would occur with nearly every proposed site.
with an almost infinite sum of money I could dig a lot of very deep holes all over the place in 8 years.. #justsaying
And I suspect you would have a lot of people tying themselves to trees and bulldozers attempting to stop you doing just that. Of course, if we just became a dictatorship, or the like, that problem could be simply solved.
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:No, I very much doubt you could throw an almost infinite sum at it and get it done. Supply constraint issues would fuck you up for sure. We’re certainly not the only country that wants to get windmills and solar panels – you may have heard that there is a little bit of an energy issue in Europe at the moment – i don’t think we could get enough equipment delivered, let alone have it and the associated infrastructure installed in anywhere near that period.
There is also a crap ton of engineering that needs to go into the design of how the grid is transitioned from a high inertia system to one with a very low inertia. That causes a host of issues that need to be resolved. And then the storage will really trip you up. We just couldn’t get the amount of batteries required and pumped hydro cannot be done at scale in anywhere near that with those time constraints just taking into account the political pushback that would occur with nearly every proposed site.
with an almost infinite sum of money I could dig a lot of very deep holes all over the place in 8 years.. #justsaying
And I suspect you would have a lot of people tying themselves to trees and bulldozers attempting to stop you doing just that. Of course, if we just became a dictatorship, or the like, that problem could be simply solved.
well now at least I know who will be first against the wall under a glorious, and all powerful, diddly-squat regime
And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!
Many of the people who would be tying themselves to trees would also be the same people who would be screaming that we need to move to a fully renewable grid right this instant.
It’s a funny old world :)
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:with an almost infinite sum of money I could dig a lot of very deep holes all over the place in 8 years.. #justsaying
And I suspect you would have a lot of people tying themselves to trees and bulldozers attempting to stop you doing just that. Of course, if we just became a dictatorship, or the like, that problem could be simply solved.
well now at least I know who will be first against the wall under a glorious, and all powerful, diddly-squat regime
And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!
Great and terrible thing.
sibeen said:
Many of the people who would be tying themselves to trees would also be the same people who would be screaming that we need to move to a fully renewable grid right this instant.It’s a funny old world :)
I know people who tie themselves to trees. I dont think they would be screaming.
One of my favourites is a tree surgeon. He has no problem getting rid of problematic trees.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Many of the people who would be tying themselves to trees would also be the same people who would be screaming that we need to move to a fully renewable grid right this instant.It’s a funny old world :)
I know people who tie themselves to trees. I dont think they would be screaming.
One of my favourites is a tree surgeon. He has no problem getting rid of problematic trees.
yeah I’m not sure there would be too many people lining up to say that creating thousands of dams across the country would be all that good “for the environment”
sibeen said:
And I suspect you would have a lot of people tying themselves to trees and bulldozers attempting to stop you doing just that. Of course, if we just became a dictatorship, or the like, that problem could be simply solved.
As soon as the AEC can be stripped of any independence along the lines of the UK example, it’ll effectively become a dictatorship.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
Many of the people who would be tying themselves to trees would also be the same people who would be screaming that we need to move to a fully renewable grid right this instant.It’s a funny old world :)
I know people who tie themselves to trees. I dont think they would be screaming.
One of my favourites is a tree surgeon. He has no problem getting rid of problematic trees.
yeah I’m not sure there would be too many people lining up to say that creating thousands of dams across the country would be all that good “for the environment”
I’m sure some of those dams would be.
sarahs mum said:
One of my favourites is a tree surgeon. He has no problem getting rid of problematic trees.
A house i rented in the 80s had a tall slender tree on the boundary between ours and the neighbours driveways.
Can’t recall the breed, but it had (a) lots of tiny leaves that it continuously shed into the swimming pool in the front yard, (b) invasive roots, © sap which caused reactions in some people.
Thoroughly nasty and neighbours and us both hated it, but the council would have fined us hefty for cutting it down.
A small plug cut out near the base of the tree, and regular doses of undiluted Round-Up and oh!, look, the tree has died! We better cut it down.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:One of my favourites is a tree surgeon. He has no problem getting rid of problematic trees.
A house i rented in the 80s had a tall slender tree on the boundary between ours and the neighbours driveways.
Can’t recall the breed, but it had (a) lots of tiny leaves that it continuously shed into the swimming pool in the front yard, (b) invasive roots, © sap which caused reactions in some people.
Thoroughly nasty and neighbours and us both hated it, but the council would have fined us hefty for cutting it down.
A small plug cut out near the base of the tree, and regular doses of undiluted Round-Up and oh!, look, the tree has died! We better cut it down.
Our local council fines you if they think you did that. They have been busy geo marking trees everywhere. I have about 25 acres of rainforest. they have only recorded one tree here. It’s a huge regnans and quality branch dropper running next to my power lines.
sarahs mum said:
Our local council fines you if they think you did that. They have been busy geo marking trees everywhere. I have about 25 acres of rainforest. they have only recorded one tree here. It’s a huge regnans and quality branch dropper running next to my power lines.
Our council then was frightfully bossy (not to mention corrupt) but they were also blessedly stupid.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:And I suspect you would have a lot of people tying themselves to trees and bulldozers attempting to stop you doing just that. Of course, if we just became a dictatorship, or the like, that problem could be simply solved.
As soon as the AEC can be stripped of any independence along the lines of the UK example, it’ll effectively become a dictatorship.
Thanks be to the peers.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:And I suspect you would have a lot of people tying themselves to trees and bulldozers attempting to stop you doing just that. Of course, if we just became a dictatorship, or the like, that problem could be simply solved.
As soon as the AEC can be stripped of any independence along the lines of the UK example, it’ll effectively become a dictatorship.
Thanks be to the peers.
Praise the Lords.
The Age and the Herald did not attempt to contact the elderly woman because Ryan requested her family members be “left alone” and the “media accord us the privacy that Mr Frydenberg has failed to respect”.
Good morning Holidayers. We have breakfasted. Shortly we will go to the Sanctuary (we are at Healesville) and sit in the carpark until they open at 9.00am. The kookaburra alar goes off here just the same as at home. First light.
:)
buffy said:
Good morning Holidayers. We have breakfasted. Shortly we will go to the Sanctuary (we are at Healesville) and sit in the carpark until they open at 9.00am. The kookaburra alar goes off here just the same as at home. First light.:)
You’re a goddamn genius, Gump.
Spiny Norman said:
You’re a goddamn genius, Gump.
To be fair to Mr Friedonburger, banks closing isn’t realy a sign of a weak economy.
More a sign that people rarely need to go to a bank these days.
The Rev Dodgson said:
More a sign that people rarely need to go to a bank these days.
Bank customers: “But…but…we still need a bank branch in our town1”
Banks: “Were you not listening? We said that ‘you rarely need to go to a bank these days’. Got it?!”
The Bludgertrack polling average has been pretty steady on the last week.
I don’t bother watching the “election debates” at least in part because if you are going to have them they should be on the national broadcaster. But anyway, I saw some snippets on Gruen last night. The second one was certainly out of control, poor moderation. I see David Speers thinks the third one was well moderated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-third-debate-morrison-alabanese-winner/101057778
The voters are led down the garden path anyway.
While most news outlets are offered drops, Dr Muller says it’s clear the government has its favourites.“Governments of every persuasion have used the drop and have tended to give it to favoured outlets. But this present government has brought it to an art form,” he said.
“In fact, it’s got to the point where News Corp is basically a propaganda arm of the government.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/how-politicians-use-drops-to-manage-the-media/101050200
roughbarked said:
The voters are led down the garden path anyway.
While most news outlets are offered drops, Dr Muller says it’s clear the government has its favourites.“Governments of every persuasion have used the drop and have tended to give it to favoured outlets. But this present government has brought it to an art form,” he said.
“In fact, it’s got to the point where News Corp is basically a propaganda arm of the government.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/how-politicians-use-drops-to-manage-the-media/101050200
we think you all are wrong and these things only happen under communists and national socialists
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The voters are led down the garden path anyway.
While most news outlets are offered drops, Dr Muller says it’s clear the government has its favourites.“Governments of every persuasion have used the drop and have tended to give it to favoured outlets. But this present government has brought it to an art form,” he said.
“In fact, it’s got to the point where News Corp is basically a propaganda arm of the government.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/how-politicians-use-drops-to-manage-the-media/101050200
we think you all are wrong and these things only happen under communists and national socialists
We? and you?
She’s a better looking candidate than Peter Dutton.
buffy said:
I don’t bother watching the “election debates” at least in part because if you are going to have them they should be on the national broadcaster. But anyway, I saw some snippets on Gruen last night. The second one was certainly out of control, poor moderation. I see David Speers thinks the third one was well moderated.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-third-debate-morrison-alabanese-winner/101057778
So how many of these damned debates are they planning to have?
roughbarked said:
She’s a better looking candidate than Peter Dutton.
Faint praise that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
I don’t bother watching the “election debates” at least in part because if you are going to have them they should be on the national broadcaster. But anyway, I saw some snippets on Gruen last night. The second one was certainly out of control, poor moderation. I see David Speers thinks the third one was well moderated.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-third-debate-morrison-alabanese-winner/101057778
So how many of these damned debates are they planning to have?
Hopefully they won’t have any more.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
I don’t bother watching the “election debates” at least in part because if you are going to have them they should be on the national broadcaster. But anyway, I saw some snippets on Gruen last night. The second one was certainly out of control, poor moderation. I see David Speers thinks the third one was well moderated.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-third-debate-morrison-alabanese-winner/101057778
So how many of these damned debates are they planning to have?
As far as I know, that’s it now. I think I heard someone on the radio last night say it was the third and final one. And it was late, after 9.00pm.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
She’s a better looking candidate than Peter Dutton.
Faint praise that.
Yes, as we all know, the average Dutch Cream spud would give Dutton severe competition in a beauty contest.
roughbarked said:
“In fact, it’s got to the point where News Corp is basically a propaganda arm of the government.”
And the government is a policy arm of News Corp.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
She’s a better looking candidate than Peter Dutton.
Faint praise that.
Yes, as we all know, the average Dutch Cream spud would give Dutton severe competition in a beauty contest.
OTOH, if she was the ugliest person since ugliness ws invented, she’d still get my vote ahead of Dutton, if I was privaleged to vote in that area.
The Rev Dodgson said:
OTOH, if she was the ugliest person since ugliness ws invented, she’d still get my vote ahead of Dutton, if I was privaleged to vote in that area.
If i was a Dickson voter, i’d vote for an inanimate carbon rod ahead of Dutton.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Faint praise that.
Yes, as we all know, the average Dutch Cream spud would give Dutton severe competition in a beauty contest.
OTOH, if she was the ugliest person since ugliness ws invented, she’d still get my vote ahead of Dutton, if I was privaleged to vote in that area.
True. However, we’ve endured potato head for so long that a fresh and attractive face that seems concerned about the community, would be a sight for previously maltreated eyes.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OTOH, if she was the ugliest person since ugliness ws invented, she’d still get my vote ahead of Dutton, if I was privaleged to vote in that area.
If i was a Dickson voter, i’d vote for an inanimate carbon rod ahead of Dutton.
Unfortunately, it appears that none of us have the privilege of being able to vote him out.
As for the debates..
“Cost of living dominates Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese’s final debate as the leaders return to the campaign trail ahead of next week’s election.”
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-to-spend-5m-on-skills-passport-for-tech-sector-20220509-p5ajuh
$5mil for a resume.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-to-spend-5m-on-skills-passport-for-tech-sector-20220509-p5ajuh$5mil for a resume.
quick hit pause
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/experts-say-scott-morrison-katherine-deves-wrong-on-teenage-gender-affirmation-surgery/e3q4mnvge
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-to-spend-5m-on-skills-passport-for-tech-sector-20220509-p5ajuh$5mil for a resume.
quick hit pause
a cute response.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-s-strategy-a-political-masterstroke-or-moral-failure-20220511-p5akb9.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/12/paul-fletcher-used-pcycs-endorsement-without-permission-on-election-flyers-youth-charity-claims
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/experts-say-scott-morrison-katherine-deves-wrong-on-teenage-gender-affirmation-surgery/e3q4mnvge
The process in America is quite different, it seems it is enough to declare yourself and psychology assessment is not needed. And in some countries (Sweden, UK, Finland) they are really tightening up on access even to puberty suppression and hormones.
https://segm.org/fact-checking-gender-affirming-care-and-young-people-HHS
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Did it work
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-s-strategy-a-political-masterstroke-or-moral-failure-20220511-p5akb9.html
Lock in ‘B’, Eddie.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Did it work
From their point of view it was a wasted bribe. We’ve spent it (on our visit to Melbourne a couple of weekends ago) and we never intended to vote for them anyway.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Did it work
From their point of view it was a wasted bribe. We’ve spent it (on our visit to Melbourne a couple of weekends ago) and we never intended to vote for them anyway.
I’m thinking of telling my local NP MP so.
“We took your, money, we blew it on drugs and ciggies, and we’re still not voting for you.”
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-s-strategy-a-political-masterstroke-or-moral-failure-20220511-p5akb9.htmlLock in ‘B’, Eddie.
I remember when Nikki Sava was quite the Liberal. She has been turning for about 5 or 6 years now. Much like the true blue Liberals I mentioned from this district the other day.
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Fair call.
Michael V said:
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Fair call.
For those that consider it an election bribe, then maintain your dignity, integrity and self esteem and not succumb to bribes and give it back.
…… and yet the far more considerable amounts paid when they doubled income support for 6 months or whatever it was, is not a “vote for me” bribe?
Location: Just south of Wollongong
Held by: Fiona Phillips (Labor)
Margin: 2.6% (marginal)
Profile: Fiona Phillips entered Parliament in 2019 after defeating Liberal candidate Warren Mundine, who was parachuted into the seat at the last minute. Apart from being a former president of the Labor Party, not living in the electorate and not actually being a member of the Liberal Party until the day before his candidacy, Mundine was considered to be the perfect candidate for the area. Surprisingly, he lost, and Phillips won the seat for Labor.
As well as being the member for Gilmore, Phillips has a side gig running a small carpentry business. It means that regardless of whether or not Labor wins at this election, she’ll be helping to put together a cabinet.
This year Phillips is up against former NSW state MP Andrew Constance, who briefly quit state politics in May 2020 to announce he was contesting pre-selection for the federal seat of Eden-Monaro, before changing his mind the following day, returning to state politics, then quitting again to contest the seat of Gilmore. He un-ironically says that the upcoming election is all about continuity and community.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Fair call.
For those that consider it an election bribe, then maintain your dignity, integrity and self esteem and not succumb to bribes and give it back.
…… and yet the far more considerable amounts paid when they doubled income support for 6 months or whatever it was, is not a “vote for me” bribe?
If those payments were to secure peoples’ votes, then what did they expect from Gerry Harvey in return for the $22million in COVID support that they let him keep?
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:Fair call.
For those that consider it an election bribe, then maintain your dignity, integrity and self esteem and not succumb to bribes and give it back.
…… and yet the far more considerable amounts paid when they doubled income support for 6 months or whatever it was, is not a “vote for me” bribe?
If those payments were to secure peoples’ votes, then what did they expect from Gerry Harvey in return for the $22million in COVID support that they let him keep?
He’s a whinny prick
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:For those that consider it an election bribe, then maintain your dignity, integrity and self esteem and not succumb to bribes and give it back.
…… and yet the far more considerable amounts paid when they doubled income support for 6 months or whatever it was, is not a “vote for me” bribe?
If those payments were to secure peoples’ votes, then what did they expect from Gerry Harvey in return for the $22million in COVID support that they let him keep?
He’s a whinny prick
I wonder how many top-shelf L/NP figures got a e.g. a new big screen TV from ‘an anonymous admirer’ last Xmas.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
My cynicism just ramped up a notch. The Morrison government arranged the election bribe before declaring the election. To be paid about half way through the election campaign. And today Mr buffy has received a letter in the mail from Centrelink telling him it has been paid. Ten days before the election. Now, the letter is dated 26 April…I’d pretty much guarantee Australia Post is not actually 15 days slow with deliveries…I reckon the post was held back to time it right for a reminder about the generosity of the LibNats.
Fair call.
For those that consider it an election bribe, then maintain your dignity, integrity and self esteem and not succumb to bribes and give it back.
…… and yet the far more considerable amounts paid when they doubled income support for 6 months or whatever it was, is not a “vote for me” bribe?
It could be considered as such, I reckon.
Bogsnorkler said:
Lets lower the voting age to 12.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Lets lower the voting age to 12.
Fetuses Are People Too
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-to-spend-5m-on-skills-passport-for-tech-sector-20220509-p5ajuh$5mil for a resume.
quick hit pause
a cute response.
cued
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/royalty-boom-to-feed-cost-of-living-support-in-wa-budget-20220511-p5akih.html
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-s-strategy-a-political-masterstroke-or-moral-failure-20220511-p5akb9.htmlLock in ‘B’, Eddie.
I remember when Nikki Sava was quite the Liberal. She has been turning for about 5 or 6 years now. Much like the true blue Liberals I mentioned from this district the other day.
she still is a liberal
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Lets lower the voting age to 12.
I’d love to see the voting age dropped to something like 16, and make it non-compulsory for minors…
The continued lack of outrage at the structural inequality in built into the Australian economy never ceases to amaze me.. Young people should be really angry, and should be demanding much more from government.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Lets lower the voting age to 12.
I’d love to see the voting age dropped to something like 16, and make it non-compulsory for minors…
The continued lack of outrage at the structural inequality in built into the Australian economy never ceases to amaze me.. Young people should be really angry, and should be demanding much more from government.
Perhaps they have given up and will get us back when we are old and infirm and need care.
Off to the knackers yard with you no poor quality understaffed nursing home for you
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
dv said:
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
I mean, maybe he’s not planning on winning
dv said:
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
Maybe his point is that as an idependent his main role is to ensure that his contituency receives more than its fair share of pork-barrelling funds.
Spiny Norman said:
Low quality loose units, should be a rogue cop taking down Mendoza and his syndicate
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
I mean, maybe he’s not planning on winning
That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
I mean, maybe he’s not planning on winning
I’m reminded of those British saddies who voted Tory because the Tories shut down their local police station and hospital.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Lets lower the voting age to 12.
I’d love to see the voting age dropped to something like 16, and make it non-compulsory for minors…
The continued lack of outrage at the structural inequality in built into the Australian economy never ceases to amaze me.. Young people should be really angry, and should be demanding much more from government.
I think there needs to be a bit more emphasis on civics in school. There just seems to be millions of people who don’t know how parliament works or pref voting or anything. All adults are on a committee to select government … it’s a serious responsibility.
Spiny Norman said:
Heh
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Lets lower the voting age to 12.
I’d love to see the voting age dropped to something like 16, and make it non-compulsory for minors…
The continued lack of outrage at the structural inequality in built into the Australian economy never ceases to amaze me.. Young people should be really angry, and should be demanding much more from government.
Perhaps they have given up and will get us back when we are old and infirm and need care.
Off to the knackers yard with you no poor quality understaffed nursing home for you
dv said:
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
Ha!
Spiny Norman said:
LOLOLOL
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:I’d love to see the voting age dropped to something like 16, and make it non-compulsory for minors…
The continued lack of outrage at the structural inequality in built into the Australian economy never ceases to amaze me.. Young people should be really angry, and should be demanding much more from government.
Perhaps they have given up and will get us back when we are old and infirm and need care.
Off to the knackers yard with you no poor quality understaffed nursing home for you
I must have left my camera open, damn.
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Mind you, not all of these independents are on the ball.
I mean, maybe he’s not planning on winning
That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
dv said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:I mean, maybe he’s not planning on winning
That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
I think he well might. He has the public backing of some (at least) of the blueblood Friends of Malcolm Fraser. Out here that does actually mean something.
dv said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:I mean, maybe he’s not planning on winning
That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
hoover up some preferences?
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
I think he well might. He has the public backing of some (at least) of the blueblood Friends of Malcolm Fraser. Out here that does actually mean something.
I can readily understand why some of the older well to do Liberal supporters aren’t understanding of Morrison and his style of politics..
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
buffy said:That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
hoover up some preferences?
I was going to say something about making efficient use of a political vacuum, but I decided against it.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
buffy said:That’s my electorate. There is a far better independent standing. We’ve also got three vying for bottom – a Pauline Hanson person, a UAP and a LibDem. And in the middle we’ve got a Labor, a Greens……and Dan Tehan…
Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
hoover up some preferences?
Enter the political sphere
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
hoover up some preferences?
Enter the political sphere
TATE says:
“In May 2013, at the Starship Century Symposium in San Diego, Dyson repeated his comments that he wished the concept had not been named after him.”
I didn’t know that.
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
So those tax cuts?
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
So those tax cuts?
anyone’s take home income
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
hoover up some preferences?
I was going to say something about making efficient use of a political vacuum, but I decided against it.
For that we thank you.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2022/results
The Australian has released its seat by seat modelling. Currently predicting 80 ALP seats, 63 Coalition, 8 others.
This would forecast pickups for Labor in Bennelong, Lindsay, Reid, Brisbane, Chisholm, Higgins, Swan, Pearce, Bass, Boothby.
They predict further losses for the Coalition to independents in Kooyong and Goldstein.
They don’t predict any pickups for the Greens, which surprises me, though Brisbane, Girffith, Macnamara, Ryan are in reach for the Greens if they do a little better than expected.
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Is Dyson going to ride the teal wave?
hoover up some preferences?
Enter the political sphere
This is exactly what I’m talking about…
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
I mean all these mfs are screaming for staff…
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:hoover up some preferences?
Enter the political sphere
TATE says:
“In May 2013, at the Starship Century Symposium in San Diego, Dyson repeated his comments that he wished the concept had not been named after him.”I didn’t know that.
Well he’s entitled to his opinion. He’s a free man.
dv said:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2022/results
The Australian has released its seat by seat modelling. Currently predicting 80 ALP seats, 63 Coalition, 8 others.
This would forecast pickups for Labor in Bennelong, Lindsay, Reid, Brisbane, Chisholm, Higgins, Swan, Pearce, Bass, Boothby.
They predict further losses for the Coalition to independents in Kooyong and Goldstein.
They don’t predict any pickups for the Greens, which surprises me, though Brisbane, Girffith, Macnamara, Ryan are in reach for the Greens if they do a little better than expected.
The Greens always think they have a shot at Griffith.. I can’t see it personally…
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
I mean all these mfs are screaming for staff…
metropolitan fire service?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Enter the political sphere
TATE says:
“In May 2013, at the Starship Century Symposium in San Diego, Dyson repeated his comments that he wished the concept had not been named after him.”I didn’t know that.
Well he’s entitled to his opinion. He’s a free man.
I’d forgotten the interpretive dance for the 2019 election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO-TleNQCfM
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
Those on the minimum wage are those most vulnerable to cost of living pressure. If preventing a fall in real wages for them puts up interest rates a fraction for those lucky enough to have a mortgage it’s no biggie.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
Those on the minimum wage are those most vulnerable to cost of living pressure. If preventing a fall in real wages for them puts up interest rates a fraction for those lucky enough to have a mortgage it’s no biggie.
True, those losers aren’t likely to take it home anyway, they’ll probably just run off down to the corner dealer and blow it all on a line or two.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Lets lower the voting age to 12.
I’d love to see the voting age dropped to something like 16, and make it non-compulsory for minors…
The continued lack of outrage at the structural inequality in built into the Australian economy never ceases to amaze me.. Young people should be really angry, and should be demanding much more from government.
Perhaps they have given up and will get us back when we are old and infirm and need care.
Off to the knackers yard with you no poor quality understaffed nursing home for you
that explains COVID-19 mildness in children without livers then, nice pushback
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
University of the bleedin’ obvious but still
Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
Those on the minimum wage are those most vulnerable to cost of living pressure. If preventing a fall in real wages for them puts up interest rates a fraction for those lucky enough to have a mortgage it’s no biggie.
It was, after all, an unpopular opinion…
..but it would also help if the fecking govt could show some actual spending restraint…
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
I’m a margin of error.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
You should ring Gallup and let them know.. I mean they’ve probably not even thought of this..
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:Unpopular Opinion: I’m not convinced that advocating for increases in anyone’s take-home income right now is all that good of an idea…
Those on the minimum wage are those most vulnerable to cost of living pressure. If preventing a fall in real wages for them puts up interest rates a fraction for those lucky enough to have a mortgage it’s no biggie.
It was, after all, an unpopular opinion…
..but it would also help if the fecking govt could show some actual spending restraint…
it would also help if it were that sort of traditional spending where you actually got something for the money.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
well i have gven up on polling because the last one’s questions were skewed to right and didnt even give climate change a mention.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
Yeah but there isn’t a general trend for polls to favour Labor. The polling in the recent WA and SA elections underestimated ALP’s win.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Those on the minimum wage are those most vulnerable to cost of living pressure. If preventing a fall in real wages for them puts up interest rates a fraction for those lucky enough to have a mortgage it’s no biggie.
It was, after all, an unpopular opinion…
..but it would also help if the fecking govt could show some actual spending restraint…
it would also help if it were that sort of traditional spending where you actually got something for the money.
wait so ¿ buying billionaires doesn’t count
dv said:
The polling in the recent WA and SA elections underestimated ALP’s win.
let’s hope again
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
Who are this “left” of which you speak?
The major challengers to the coalition are the Labor party.
I’m surprised you didn’t know that.
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
I suppose if I was a lab voter and argued with you that might demonstrate I was more passionate, but then i’m not sure what you mean by passionate, perhaps you mean incapacitating desire-deficit, who knows
Bubblecar said:
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
I guess some people still have landlines that aren’t private and aren’t on a Do Not Call register?
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
I guess some people still have landlines that aren’t private and aren’t on a Do Not Call register?
Presumably. I wonder what proportion of the populace that represents these days.
I’m not sure the robo polling works that way.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
I guess some people still have landlines that aren’t private and aren’t on a Do Not Call register?
There might be specific rules about political polling. Lord knows the major parties have made sure that they’re allowed to keep track of their elector’s personal details in ways denied to other organisations and businesses.
dv said:
Well said, Sally!
sarahs mum said:
I’m not sure the robo polling works that way.
Perhaps they underhandedly buy lists from a marketing group ones sorted by suburb, income, etc
Michael V said:
dv said:
Well said, Sally!
The reserve bank won’t like that, let the rabble have less money to spend and control inflation that way.
Those who income is based on interests payments win
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
I’m not sure the robo polling works that way.Perhaps they underhandedly buy lists from a marketing group ones sorted by suburb, income, etc
Probably not underhandedly. Those things are for sale. It’s a big business.
A lot of it is online polling these days.
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Well said, Sally!
The reserve bank won’t like that, let the rabble have less money to spend and control inflation that way.
Those who income is based on interests payments win
To be fair all lower and middle bracket income should go up by 5% every year, not 3.5% if you are lucky spread over three years.
buffy said:
Cymek said:
sarahs mum said:
I’m not sure the robo polling works that way.Perhaps they underhandedly buy lists from a marketing group ones sorted by suburb, income, etc
Probably not underhandedly. Those things are for sale. It’s a big business.
True, maybe they just fail to declare it
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
I guess some people still have landlines that aren’t private and aren’t on a Do Not Call register?
Presumably. I wonder what proportion of the populace that represents these days.
I don’t know, but for some reason (unknown to me), we are are no longer in the phone book. We were in the phone book when we firt came here, but dropped off the list three or four years ago.
I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.
Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Well said, Sally!
Yeah.
Sally for PM.
Ooh-ah!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/scott-morrison-nt-government-darwin-port-labor-documents/101060900
dv said:
I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
No decent reason that shouldn’t happen
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
I guess some people still have landlines that aren’t private and aren’t on a Do Not Call register?
There might be specific rules about political polling. Lord knows the major parties have made sure that they’re allowed to keep track of their elector’s personal details in ways denied to other organisations and businesses.
Australia
There is little formal oversight of the activities of Australian political parties when it comes to data management and privacy. Political parties are exempt from the 1988 Commonwealth Privacy Act and the Privacy Amendment (Private Sector) Act 2000 when their activities are “in connection with an election, a referendum, or other participation in the political process.” By law, parties are “allowed to use that roll, inter alia, for ‘any purpose in connection with an election’”, even as the use of this data for commercial purposes is prohibited (Onselen and Errington, 2004). Because political parties are private organizations, they are also exempt from the Freedom of Information Legislation, which means that they cannot be forced to disclose voter profiles at the request of citizens.
Australian political parties take full advantage of this lax regulation: they use the same voter databases for both elections and governance. For example, the Liberal Party’s voter database is called Feedback, while the Labor Party’s is Electrac. Feedback and Electrac are centralized party databases that receive all personal information about voters logged from Member of Parliament (MP) and candidates’ computers. Parties start with the publicly available voter roll, which is then supplemented with telephone and address records. Voter profiles are generated through this public information and commercially available databases, and then supplemented with records of phone calls to MP offices, letters to newspaper editors, and community–group membership lists. Commercial data is supplied through firms such as the world’s largest producer of consumer data, Acxiom, which at the beginning of the decade had a number of Liberal Party members on the board of its Australian subsidiary (Bockmann, 2004).
Using this data, voters are categorized according to age, occupation, gender, interest in more than 300 public issues, and their party identification. Typically, voters are catalogued as being weak, leaning, or strong supporters, or undecided.
In sum, all communications to the voter from the party office, whether in the context of governance or campaigning, are stored within these database. Most of the data is gathered and stored locally and then aggregated by the central parties, who have a strong interest in ensuring that data gathering is robust at the local level. Indeed Electrac is compulsory for all party MPs to purchase and use (Onselen and Errington, 2004).
Similar to the other countries surveyed, we found that Australian political parties have more robust online than offline data privacy policies. While there is little transparency around the use of electoral databases, for instance, Australian parties and candidates provide public statements and privacy protections around the use of online data. In its first privacy policy statement provided online in 2004, which has remained substantively the same, the Australian Labour Party (ALP) promised that “personal information provided to the ALP and information collected by the ALP will not be disclosed to any other third party except where legally required.” Meanwhile, the Liberal party’s privacy policy was not accessible in 2000, but easily found by 2004 and is today much the same. It explicitly states that “Any and all information collected at this website — including application form content and email addresses — will be kept strictly confidential and will not be sold, re–used, rented, loaned or otherwise disclosed to a third party, except where prior written permission is obtained from the individual who supplied the information and to whom the information refers.”
https://firstmonday.org/article/view/2975/2627
dv said:
I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.
Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
SCIENCE said:
dv said:I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.
Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
I mean as the economy grows in real per capita terms there is capacity for everyone’s income to rise in real terms. This ought not be controversial.
Cymek said:
buffy said:
Cymek said:Perhaps they underhandedly buy lists from a marketing group ones sorted by suburb, income, etc
Probably not underhandedly. Those things are for sale. It’s a big business.
True, maybe they just fail to declare it
Who? The polling people? You are quite within your rights to ask them where they got your number from before agreeing to do a poll. If you don’t like the answer, decline to be polled. I looked this stuff up, wrt telemarketers and telepolls would, I expect, be the same.
Here are the rules:
If you ask them, they must tell you how they got your number. You have to ask though, they don’t have to tell you automatically. In my experience they fall at this hurdle immediately.
They must remain on the line and answer any questions you have about the provider they represent.
They must ensure their calling line identification is enabled. Come to think of it, many would fall down here before you even answer the line, when it comes up as private number.
A link with this stuff is here:
https://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/products-and-services/business-practices/door-to-door-sales-and-telemarketing/telemarketing
Ah, found the specific rules for political polling:
https://www.donotcall.gov.au/consumers/consumer-overview/political-calls-you-might-receive/
Michael V said:
Ooh-ah!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/scott-morrison-nt-government-darwin-port-labor-documents/101060900
That one has been sat on, waiting for an appropriate time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I’ve got a theory about polling.
I was rung last night to do a poll, I declined.
As a someone who mostly votes conservative, I didn’t have the time nor the inclination to do the poll and I suspect that applies to other conservative, we are in general less passionate about politics than the left.
A lot of polls favour the left because they are more passionate and will jump at every opportunity to tell someone, anyone.
So if you ring 100 people in a close seat you might get say 80 responses more of those are likely to be lab responders than lib responses, the bias is built in.
Just a thought.
Who are this “left” of which you speak?
The major challengers to the coalition are the Labor party.
I’m surprised you didn’t know that.
nice work Rev
Bubblecar said:
Where do the phone polling companies get people’s numbers from?
they buy them from companies whose singular purpose is to obtain this information along with your consent to use it
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.
Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
I mean as the economy grows in real per capita terms there is capacity for everyone’s income to rise in real terms. This ought not be controversial.
I agree in theory it’s far from controversial… but in reality it’s not entirely practical either.. the issue here in Aust that that we’ve had a decade of more of ultra low underlying inflation followed by now rapidly rising inflation created by supply shock in the global economy – what we are seeing now is probably better paralleled against periods of stagflation.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.
Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
i’d expect there’s a potential global economic crash on the horizon – fear of – in response to massive distortions, a correction, which the very wealthy are best able to position themselves for, which makes it more likely
consider the extreme adjustments required and in action, climate emergency, requiring rapidly moving away from fossil fuels, in response to overpopulation really, probably a couple billion over already, no matter the response there is no turning that sort of momentum around
some of the ‘instabilities’ presently in the global landscape are really, at least substantially in response to tentatively forecast global economic crash, perhaps even global economic collapse
I wouldn’t expect wages to start increasing soon in Australia
the age of abundance is over
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:I mean for real though, we should aim for minimum wage to increase faster than inflation.
Australia’s per capita real GDP has increased tremendously, as has per hour real productivity. We should expect that min wage should increase commensurately.
maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
i’d expect there’s a potential global economic crash on the horizon – fear of – in response to massive distortions, a correction, which the very wealthy are best able to position themselves for, which makes it more likely
consider the extreme adjustments required and in action, climate emergency, requiring rapidly moving away from fossil fuels, in response to overpopulation really, probably a couple billion over already, no matter the response there is no turning that sort of momentum around
some of the ‘instabilities’ presently in the global landscape are really, at least substantially in response to tentatively forecast global economic crash, perhaps even global economic collapse
I wouldn’t expect wages to start increasing soon in Australia
the age of abundance is over
Still the same old same old though, same bullshit different bucket.
The ultra rich so wealthy they can spend tens of billions on a whim.
Cymek said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
i’d expect there’s a potential global economic crash on the horizon – fear of – in response to massive distortions, a correction, which the very wealthy are best able to position themselves for, which makes it more likely
consider the extreme adjustments required and in action, climate emergency, requiring rapidly moving away from fossil fuels, in response to overpopulation really, probably a couple billion over already, no matter the response there is no turning that sort of momentum around
some of the ‘instabilities’ presently in the global landscape are really, at least substantially in response to tentatively forecast global economic crash, perhaps even global economic collapse
I wouldn’t expect wages to start increasing soon in Australia
the age of abundance is over
Still the same old same old though, same bullshit different bucket.
The ultra rich so wealthy they can spend tens of billions on a whim.
I agree yes the easy days are over for most of the world and many didn’t even get it at all.
At the point some individuals and companies have more money than government.
Interesting concept in a novel I read were the ultra wealthy buy or pay out the foreign debt of a nation in return the economy is retooled to furnish their interests.
Not that far fetched
Cymek said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
i’d expect there’s a potential global economic crash on the horizon – fear of – in response to massive distortions, a correction, which the very wealthy are best able to position themselves for, which makes it more likely
consider the extreme adjustments required and in action, climate emergency, requiring rapidly moving away from fossil fuels, in response to overpopulation really, probably a couple billion over already, no matter the response there is no turning that sort of momentum around
some of the ‘instabilities’ presently in the global landscape are really, at least substantially in response to tentatively forecast global economic crash, perhaps even global economic collapse
I wouldn’t expect wages to start increasing soon in Australia
the age of abundance is over
Still the same old same old though, same bullshit different bucket.
The ultra rich so wealthy they can spend tens of billions on a whim.
the covid pandemic response has been largely a failure, a cascade of failures, there is the failure then there is the absence of admission it has been a failure, the latter’s worse than the disease itself, that’s my view
fairly much any bullshit goes now
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Ooh-ah!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/scott-morrison-nt-government-darwin-port-labor-documents/101060900
That one has been sat on, waiting for an appropriate time.
Yes, the Morrison government was quite forthcoming with claims that they ‘could do nothing to stop the sale, it was a matter for the Territory’.
However, they could chip in $20 million to try to ensure that the sale went through.
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
transition said:i’d expect there’s a potential global economic crash on the horizon – fear of – in response to massive distortions, a correction, which the very wealthy are best able to position themselves for, which makes it more likely
consider the extreme adjustments required and in action, climate emergency, requiring rapidly moving away from fossil fuels, in response to overpopulation really, probably a couple billion over already, no matter the response there is no turning that sort of momentum around
some of the ‘instabilities’ presently in the global landscape are really, at least substantially in response to tentatively forecast global economic crash, perhaps even global economic collapse
I wouldn’t expect wages to start increasing soon in Australia
the age of abundance is over
Still the same old same old though, same bullshit different bucket.
The ultra rich so wealthy they can spend tens of billions on a whim.I agree yes the easy days are over for most of the world and many didn’t even get it at all.
At the point some individuals and companies have more money than government.
Interesting concept in a novel I read were the ultra wealthy buy or pay out the foreign debt of a nation in return the economy is retooled to furnish their interests.
Not that far fetched
you might see it as inverted fascism, I guess you could
transition said:
Cymek said:
transition said:i’d expect there’s a potential global economic crash on the horizon – fear of – in response to massive distortions, a correction, which the very wealthy are best able to position themselves for, which makes it more likely
consider the extreme adjustments required and in action, climate emergency, requiring rapidly moving away from fossil fuels, in response to overpopulation really, probably a couple billion over already, no matter the response there is no turning that sort of momentum around
some of the ‘instabilities’ presently in the global landscape are really, at least substantially in response to tentatively forecast global economic crash, perhaps even global economic collapse
I wouldn’t expect wages to start increasing soon in Australia
the age of abundance is over
Still the same old same old though, same bullshit different bucket.
The ultra rich so wealthy they can spend tens of billions on a whim.the covid pandemic response has been largely a failure, a cascade of failures, there is the failure then there is the absence of admission it has been a failure, the latter’s worse than the disease itself, that’s my view
fairly much any bullshit goes now
People’s reactions were bad yes, selfish, stupid, criminal, etc
Shows many nations aren’t powerful in ways that serve the population
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Ooh-ah!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/scott-morrison-nt-government-darwin-port-labor-documents/101060900
That one has been sat on, waiting for an appropriate time.
Yes, the Morrison government was quite forthcoming with claims that they ‘could do nothing to stop the sale, it was a matter for the Territory’.
However, they could chip in $20 million to try to ensure that the sale went through.
so they told the truth
>>What to watch out for tomorrow
Just when you thought you were all debated out, Marise Payne and Penny Wong will meet at the National Press Club to debate foreign affairs tomorrow from 12.30. <<
Could be interesting.
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-albanese-morrison-deves-bass/101061750
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:That one has been sat on, waiting for an appropriate time.
Yes, the Morrison government was quite forthcoming with claims that they ‘could do nothing to stop the sale, it was a matter for the Territory’.
However, they could chip in $20 million to try to ensure that the sale went through.
so they told the truth
Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
buffy said:
>>What to watch out for tomorrowJust when you thought you were all debated out, Marise Payne and Penny Wong will meet at the National Press Club to debate foreign affairs tomorrow from 12.30. <<
Could be interesting.
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-albanese-morrison-deves-bass/101061750
Especially now that Marise Payne has learnt that she’s the Foreign Minister.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Yes, the Morrison government was quite forthcoming with claims that they ‘could do nothing to stop the sale, it was a matter for the Territory’.
However, they could chip in $20 million to try to ensure that the sale went through.
so they told the truth
Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:so they told the truth
Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
It would be $2.50 without blessed Scomo…
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:so they told the truth
Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
No.
Ours went down from 183 to 177 cents per litre at the servo i pass on the way to/from work.
It’s all part of the oil companies tapestry of regular regional increases/decreases to keep demand and profits high.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
>>What to watch out for tomorrowJust when you thought you were all debated out, Marise Payne and Penny Wong will meet at the National Press Club to debate foreign affairs tomorrow from 12.30. <<
Could be interesting.
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-albanese-morrison-deves-bass/101061750
Especially now that Marise Payne has learnt that she’s the Foreign Minister.
Has she? When did this happen? It’s news to me.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:so they told the truth
Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
I have no idea. I haven’t seen the local price of petrol for weeks.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
>>What to watch out for tomorrowJust when you thought you were all debated out, Marise Payne and Penny Wong will meet at the National Press Club to debate foreign affairs tomorrow from 12.30. <<
Could be interesting.
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-12/election-2022-albanese-morrison-deves-bass/101061750
Especially now that Marise Payne has learnt that she’s the Foreign Minister.
Has she? When did this happen? It’s news to me.
Apparently someone recently told her that maybe it would have been a good idea if she and/or the PM might had bothered to have chat with the Solomon Islands about signing on to the West Taiwan fan club, and when she replied that it wasn’t her job to do that (learnt that from Scotty), she was shown evidence that indeed it is her job.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
I have no idea. I haven’t seen the local price of petrol for weeks.
Currently both fuel stations in town are just under $2/L.
https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-25.896911183465377/153.07603712367313
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Especially now that Marise Payne has learnt that she’s the Foreign Minister.
Has she? When did this happen? It’s news to me.
Apparently someone recently told her that maybe it would have been a good idea if she and/or the PM might had bothered to have chat with the Solomon Islands about signing on to the West Taiwan fan club, and when she replied that it wasn’t her job to do that (learnt that from Scotty), she was shown evidence that indeed it is her job.
:)
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:so they told the truth
Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
Didn’t notice. Was wet and raining and I was concentrating on the road ahead of me, for a change.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:Yes. They could, perhaps, have done nothing to stop it.
On the other hand, to use a Morrison analogy, while it was not his job to hold a hose on the hot deal, he didn’t have to pour petrol on it, either,
Speaking of petrol have you all copped local price increases from 180 to 220 c/L just today¿
Didn’t notice. Was wet and raining and I was concentrating on the road ahead of me, for a change.
Fuel watch tells me I can get fuel near me for under 170…
hmm fair enough must have just taken a dirty route then, probably best to not fill up along the major corridors intooutof city we guess
isn’t
Howard says teal campaigns contain a fundamental lie
that
John Howard says lodging a protest vote in an attempt to send a message to the Liberal Party in seats contested by teal candidates will only result in a Labor government.
the point
quick
Lib candidate removes anti-vax volunteers from campaign
in this wide margin Corruption seat they’re cleaning up
Two volunteers for Simon Kennedy were filmed spouting conspiracy theories that the COVID-19 jab was “killing people”.
better vote Corruption more
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:maybe but if inflation reflects the decreasing value of money relative to product which is ultimately all derived from labour then
low incomes rising faster than inflation mean high incomes must necessarily be slower so good luck selling that to the rich and powerful
I mean as the economy grows in real per capita terms there is capacity for everyone’s income to rise in real terms. This ought not be controversial.
I agree in theory it’s far from controversial… but in reality it’s not entirely practical either.. the issue here in Aust that that we’ve had a decade of more of ultra low underlying inflation followed by now rapidly rising inflation created by supply shock in the global economy – what we are seeing now is probably better paralleled against periods of stagflation.
I’m not saying that it should happen in every single year, there’d need to be some smoothing and allowance for general conditions, but in the long arc of decades and generations I’d be expecting the value of minimum wage to increase. I’d be surprised and disappointed if, for instance, 25 years from now minimum wage only had the same purchasing power that it has now.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I mean as the economy grows in real per capita terms there is capacity for everyone’s income to rise in real terms. This ought not be controversial.
I agree in theory it’s far from controversial… but in reality it’s not entirely practical either.. the issue here in Aust that that we’ve had a decade of more of ultra low underlying inflation followed by now rapidly rising inflation created by supply shock in the global economy – what we are seeing now is probably better paralleled against periods of stagflation.
I’m not saying that it should happen in every single year, there’d need to be some smoothing and allowance for general conditions, but in the long arc of decades and generations I’d be expecting the value of minimum wage to increase. I’d be surprised and disappointed if, for instance, 25 years from now minimum wage only had the same purchasing power that it has now.
The United States of America…
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
Vote for us or we’ll turn Nazi seems a very abject slogan.
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
I used to think mr Keane was pretty good for a lib, but he’s just moved down a few notches in my estimation.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
Vote for us or we’ll turn Nazi seems a very abject slogan.
I used to think mr Keane was pretty good for a lib, but he’s just moved down a few notches in my estimation.
Indeed as Bubblecar puts it, the whole line of reasoning seems… completely fucked.
SCIENCE said:
isn’tHoward says teal campaigns contain a fundamental lie
that
John Howard says lodging a protest vote in an attempt to send a message to the Liberal Party in seats contested by teal candidates will only result in a Labor government.
the point
Yes. I’d say it is.
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
I thought they already were full of those type of people. Anyway who says that voting for independents will oust the moderates? I’d make a guess that if the right wing nutjobs lose the election, the moderates might just shift the far right mob out?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
I thought they already were full of those type of people. Anyway who says that voting for independents will oust the moderates? I’d make a guess that if the right wing nutjobs lose the election, the moderates might just shift the far right mob out?
Or the teals and moderates will eventually form their own party, leaving a remnant rump of right wingers to fall into minor party status.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
I thought they already were full of those type of people. Anyway who says that voting for independents will oust the moderates? I’d make a guess that if the right wing nutjobs lose the election, the moderates might just shift the far right mob out?
Or the teals and moderates will eventually form their own party, leaving a remnant rump of right wingers to fall into minor party status.
What’s Turnbull up to these days…
dv said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:I thought they already were full of those type of people. Anyway who says that voting for independents will oust the moderates? I’d make a guess that if the right wing nutjobs lose the election, the moderates might just shift the far right mob out?
Or the teals and moderates will eventually form their own party, leaving a remnant rump of right wingers to fall into minor party status.
What’s Turnbull up to these days…
retired.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/12/sky-news-host-paul-murray-in-expletive-laden-anti-labor-tirade-to-audience-before-petter-dutton-interview
bloody hell. talk about loose units.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/may/12/sky-news-host-paul-murray-in-expletive-laden-anti-labor-tirade-to-audience-before-petter-dutton-interviewbloody hell. talk about loose units.
I hit play. And then I was glad that I could turn it off.
ABC News:
‘The election appears to be Albanese’s to lose, as Morrison looks for some momentum in the campaign’s final week’
It’s going to be tough for them to pull it off from here, but they have a good track record for raising their game at the last minute in this sort of thing, and i have every faith in them that they’ll manage it somehow, and we can have another electoral miracle with Labor, against all the odds, finding a way to lose an unloseable election.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
Vote for us or we’ll turn Nazi seems a very abject slogan.
Hmmmmm.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Or maybe it would make the Libs realise they need to drop the stupid nonsense and move back to the centre?
Vote for us or we’ll turn Nazi seems a very abject slogan.
Hmmmmm.
Sharma is facing a serious challenge from high-profile independent Allegra Spender, who has been campaigning strongly on climate and integrity issues.
Spender hit back against Kean’s claims, saying the party was already “much like the Republican party” and claimed Wentworth would have “more power” from the crossbench than it did from Sharma’s position on the backbench.
She pointed to Nationals senator Matt Canavan’s comments about the impacts of climate change and the debate within the Liberal party about the trans community.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/12/matt-kean-warns-of-trump-like-shift-in-liberal-party-if-teal-independents-oust-moderates
Allegra Spender is also able to trade a good deal on her name and family.
Not only does she have the perfect first name for a Wentworth candidate, her grandfather was Sir Percy Spender. Her father John was a diplomat and her mother was fashion designer Carla Zampatti. Everyone in Wentworth knows that she’s ‘the right kind of people’, and would feel entirely comfortable in putting ‘1’ against her name on the ballot.
The only mystery is why the Libs stuck with Dave, when there was a sure-fire can’t-miss dead-cert candidate like Allegra in the offing. They could have surely paid off Dave to resign and make way for Allegra. Maybe Scotty is worried she might get ideas about being PM.
captain_spalding said:
Allegra Spender is also able to trade a good deal on her name and family.Not only does she have the perfect first name for a Wentworth candidate, her grandfather was Sir Percy Spender. Her father John was a diplomat and her mother was fashion designer Carla Zampatti. Everyone in Wentworth knows that she’s ‘the right kind of people’, and would feel entirely comfortable in putting ‘1’ against her name on the ballot.
The only mystery is why the Libs stuck with Dave, when there was a sure-fire can’t-miss dead-cert candidate like Allegra in the offing. They could have surely paid off Dave to resign and make way for Allegra. Maybe Scotty is worried she might get ideas about being PM.
She could be a thorn in his side.
Frewoini Baume said even if politicians did do more to address issues young people care about, the way they conduct themselves was also a factor in her vote.
She cited recent scandals concerning the treatment of women and minorities in federal parliament as an example.
“Politicians are meant to be our leaders and role models and examples, and the behaviours that they exhibit isn’t necessarily anything I aspire to be.”
captain_spalding said:
Allegra Spender is also able to trade a good deal on her name and family.Not only does she have the perfect first name for a Wentworth candidate, her grandfather was Sir Percy Spender. Her father John was a diplomat and her mother was fashion designer Carla Zampatti. Everyone in Wentworth knows that she’s ‘the right kind of people’, and would feel entirely comfortable in putting ‘1’ against her name on the ballot.
The only mystery is why the Libs stuck with Dave, when there was a sure-fire can’t-miss dead-cert candidate like Allegra in the offing. They could have surely paid off Dave to resign and make way for Allegra. Maybe Scotty is worried she might get ideas about being PM.
nice to see a non-troppo candidate stand up.
captain_spalding said:
Allegra Spender is also able to trade a good deal on her name and family.Not only does she have the perfect first name for a Wentworth candidate, her grandfather was Sir Percy Spender. Her father John was a diplomat and her mother was fashion designer Carla Zampatti. Everyone in Wentworth knows that she’s ‘the right kind of people’, and would feel entirely comfortable in putting ‘1’ against her name on the ballot.
The only mystery is why the Libs stuck with Dave, when there was a sure-fire can’t-miss dead-cert candidate like Allegra in the offing. They could have surely paid off Dave to resign and make way for Allegra. Maybe Scotty is worried she might get ideas about being PM.
What’s with the ‘1’, I was told years ago that you need to tick every box.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Allegra Spender is also able to trade a good deal on her name and family.Not only does she have the perfect first name for a Wentworth candidate, her grandfather was Sir Percy Spender. Her father John was a diplomat and her mother was fashion designer Carla Zampatti. Everyone in Wentworth knows that she’s ‘the right kind of people’, and would feel entirely comfortable in putting ‘1’ against her name on the ballot.
The only mystery is why the Libs stuck with Dave, when there was a sure-fire can’t-miss dead-cert candidate like Allegra in the offing. They could have surely paid off Dave to resign and make way for Allegra. Maybe Scotty is worried she might get ideas about being PM.
What’s with the ‘1’, I was told years ago that you need to tick every box.
It’s a figure of speech in political circles, like ‘responsible management of the economy’. Not meant to be taken literally.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Allegra Spender is also able to trade a good deal on her name and family.Not only does she have the perfect first name for a Wentworth candidate, her grandfather was Sir Percy Spender. Her father John was a diplomat and her mother was fashion designer Carla Zampatti. Everyone in Wentworth knows that she’s ‘the right kind of people’, and would feel entirely comfortable in putting ‘1’ against her name on the ballot.
The only mystery is why the Libs stuck with Dave, when there was a sure-fire can’t-miss dead-cert candidate like Allegra in the offing. They could have surely paid off Dave to resign and make way for Allegra. Maybe Scotty is worried she might get ideas about being PM.
nice to see a non-troppo candidate stand up.
Points awarded.
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
Don’t you be bagging our beloved The West Australian
Cymek said:
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
Don’t you be bagging our beloved The West Australian
Just for context: about two thirds of Australians support a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. I’m not sure how shocking the Worst Australian thought this headline would be.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/climatepoll-2021
dv said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
Don’t you be bagging our beloved The West Australian
Just for context: about two thirds of Australians support a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. I’m not sure how shocking the Worst Australian thought this headline would be.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/climatepoll-2021
It’s getting a bit pathetic.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Cymek said:Don’t you be bagging our beloved The West Australian
Just for context: about two thirds of Australians support a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. I’m not sure how shocking the Worst Australian thought this headline would be.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/climatepoll-2021
It’s getting a bit pathetic.
Meanwhile I see I’m involved in another scandal involving eagles.
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
I suppose it’s good to be on the front page of a newspaper, but what claims are they making about you?
Michael V said:
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
I suppose it’s good to be on the front page of a newspaper, but what claims are they making about you?
I’m scared to look. I’m a bird watcher but not with nefarious intent.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
I suppose it’s good to be on the front page of a newspaper, but what claims are they making about you?
I’m scared to look. I’m a bird watcher but not with nefarious intent.
Ha!
Look at that typo!
Obviously meant ‘Bit of a bullshitter’
Ian said:
Look at that typo!
Obviously meant ‘Bit of a bullshitter’
Caterpillar could sue him.
After all, bulldozers can be useful.
Ian said:
Look at that typo!
Obviously meant ‘Bit of a bullshitter’
LOLOLOL
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
We do a lot of complaining about the Murdoch press in here as though the non-Murdoch press isn’t atrocious.
I suppose it’s good to be on the front page of a newspaper, but what claims are they making about you?
I’m scared to look. I’m a bird watcher but not with nefarious intent.
all that matters is what they can prove, so I hope you deleted all those work messages from your personal email server
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Cymek said:Don’t you be bagging our beloved The West Australian
Just for context: about two thirds of Australians support a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme. I’m not sure how shocking the Worst Australian thought this headline would be.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/climatepoll-2021
It’s getting a bit pathetic.
What do you mean, getting?
It has been pathetic for decades.
Ludicrous is the word.
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western Australia
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
SCIENCE said:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western AustraliaVoters Can’t Possibly Be Intelligent Enough To Recognise An Electioral Diversion When They See One
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western AustraliaVoters Can’t Possibly Be Intelligent Enough To Recognise An Electioral Diversion When They See One
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
So it actually is purported to have come from that hated instiution, the ABC?
Gosh Mister Dutton, what a strange twist of of standards you weave.roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western AustraliaVoters Can’t Possibly Be Intelligent Enough To Recognise An Electioral Diversion When They See One
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
So it actually is purported to have come from that hated instiution, the ABC?
Gosh Mister Dutton, what a strange twist of of standards you weave.
It’s aggression, spying is aggression, aggressive posturing from Corruption is never aggression ¡
The Defence Minister said he was concerned not just at how south the ship had travelled but also that it had “hugged” the coastline as it headed back north towards Darwin. He dubbed the matter “very strange” and said he expected the ship was collecting as much intelligence as it could.
Mr Dutton denied that he was making the revelation to stoke national security fears and to woo votes ahead of the May 21 federal election. When asked if he had travelled to Western Australia to make the announcement, Mr Dutton declined to say, citing “operational reasons”.
“I think people understand the difficulty, the reality, of the Indo-Pacific at the moment, the acts of aggression from the Chinese leadership and from the Chinese government,” he said.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
So it actually is purported to have come from that hated instiution, the ABC?
Gosh Mister Dutton, what a strange twist of of standards you weave.It’s aggression, spying is aggression, aggressive posturing from Corruption is never aggression ¡
The Defence Minister said he was concerned not just at how south the ship had travelled but also that it had “hugged” the coastline as it headed back north towards Darwin. He dubbed the matter “very strange” and said he expected the ship was collecting as much intelligence as it could.
Mr Dutton denied that he was making the revelation to stoke national security fears and to woo votes ahead of the May 21 federal election. When asked if he had travelled to Western Australia to make the announcement, Mr Dutton declined to say, citing “operational reasons”.
“I think people understand the difficulty, the reality, of the Indo-Pacific at the moment, the acts of aggression from the Chinese leadership and from the Chinese government,” he said.
If he was a defence monoster he should have been out there challenging their rights to be snuffling at our arse so to speak.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western AustraliaVoters Can’t Possibly Be Intelligent Enough To Recognise An Electioral Diversion When They See One
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
Not everything that happens in the world is a diversionary tactic
dv said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western AustraliaVoters Can’t Possibly Be Intelligent Enough To Recognise An Electioral Diversion When They See One
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
Not everything that happens in the world is a diversionary tactic
dv said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton says a Chinese spy ship has been seen near secretive naval facility off Western AustraliaVoters Can’t Possibly Be Intelligent Enough To Recognise An Electioral Diversion When They See One
secret activities noted to be not secret, nice, genius even
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
Not everything that happens in the world is a diversionary tactic
Sometimes, it’s just serendipitous.
An election distraction is always welcome, even if it’s perpetrated by those with whom you’re trying to ‘be tough’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
Not everything that happens in the world is a diversionary tactic
Sometimes, it’s just serendipitous.
An election distraction is always welcome, even if it’s perpetrated by those with whom you’re trying to ‘be tough’.
And just maybe those whom may also be attempting to affect election results.
dv said:
wait did that guy really call himself a bulldozer or did they actually mean b… bulls… bullsomething else
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Was that a quote from a (shocked look) newspaper?
Not everything that happens in the world is a diversionary tactic
In my world? None of it is.
well you’re both probably right, CHINA aren’t smart enough to send spy ships past secret bases as a diversion
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/allow-yourself-to-dream-australia-morrison-may-be-at-his-end/
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/allow-yourself-to-dream-australia-morrison-may-be-at-his-end/
As i, and others, have said before, we should never underestimate Labor’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’ll believe it’s over when Mr. Marketing Genius concedes defeat, and not before.
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/australias-election-weak-in-weak-out/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/11/victoria-to-become-first-state-to-ban-the-nazi-swastika
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
roughbarked said:
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
It’s in here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/coalition-promises-to-recoup-detention-debts-from-deportees/101063556
buffy said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
It’s in here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/coalition-promises-to-recoup-detention-debts-from-deportees/101063556
I do hope the success of all the teals doesn’t push the Coalition into some right wing positions.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
‘A very strong message’: Coalition promises return of Howard-era immigration policy
By political reporter Tom Lowrey
Detainees awaiting deportation from Australia on character grounds would be forced to pay back the costs of their accommodation, under a Coalition policy to bring back Howard-era immigration laws.
On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
Yes. Who chases up the repayments anyway?
dv said:
buffy said:
buffy said:On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
It’s in here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/coalition-promises-to-recoup-detention-debts-from-deportees/101063556
I do hope the success of all the teals doesn’t push the Coalition into some right wing positions.
Could they be pushed any further?
Seems about right.
Spiny Norman said:
Seems about right.
It is too far right.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Seems about right.
It is too far right.
Right (right), you’re bloody well right
dv said:
LOLOLOL
dv said:
buffy said:
buffy said:On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
It’s in here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/coalition-promises-to-recoup-detention-debts-from-deportees/101063556
I do hope the success of all the teals doesn’t push the Coalition into some right wing positions.
They’ve already promised that it will.
Bubblecar said:
Now Look What You Made Us Do
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/allow-yourself-to-dream-australia-morrison-may-be-at-his-end/
Thanks boris. I laughed mightily.
:)
Michael V said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/allow-yourself-to-dream-australia-morrison-may-be-at-his-end/Thanks boris. I laughed mightily.
:)
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/australias-election-weak-in-weak-out/
Ditto.
:)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/election-2022-morrison-albanese-bulldozer/101065856
Annabel.
buffy said:
On the radio when I was coming home from Hamilton today someone (it might have been Tania) pointed out that this had been done previously and I think it was the Rudd government that stopped bothering because it cost more chasing up the money than it was bringing in.
When did the L/NP ever let public expense get in the way of a favourable headline from News Corp.?
Bogsnorkler said:
I sung it in my head. The last line of each stanza does not seem to fit the song (as I recall it).
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I sung it in my head. The last line of each stanza does not seem to fit the song (as I recall it).
No, it doesn’t roll quite right. But it’s the thought that counts…
buffy said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I sung it in my head. The last line of each stanza does not seem to fit the song (as I recall it).
No, it doesn’t roll quite right. But it’s the thought that counts…
will free this wide brown land.
The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins
sarahs mum said:
The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins
Probably not, really.
:)
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins
Probably not, really.
:)
That was how I started chapter one of my thesis.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins
Probably not, really.
:)
That was how I started chapter one of my thesis.
It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:Probably not, really.
:)
That was how I started chapter one of my thesis.
It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
There are more post diasporic triggers per square mile in Tasmania.
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:Probably not, really.
:)
That was how I started chapter one of my thesis.
It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:That was how I started chapter one of my thesis.
It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
I do love me a bit of wood though. Specially with bluebells and violets and primroses.
One book that really affected my artwork was ‘Fashioning the forest.’ It went into the dislike of unordered woodlands and the affect of the bias on the timber industry..
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:That was how I started chapter one of my thesis.
It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
But you see my point was that although I grew up in Melbourne suburbia I wasn’t indoctrinated to that. My mother kept a 1960s bush garden – straight lines were forbidden. And you never, ever planted an even number of anything, always an odd number. If you were going to plant a number of plants in a biggish area, you took the same number of potatoes as plants you were going to plant, stood in the middle of the area and tossed the potatoes in the air. Then you planted where they fell. My great aunts kept cottage type gardens – gloriously random. My maternal grandparents’ garden at the farm at Rowville was rather wild and the paddock over the creek was still a bit bushy. My paternal grandfather basically didn’t garden and kept his grass mown and that was it. I’m unaware of any guilt about not having an English garden/landscape and it certainly wasn’t an aspiration.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
But you see my point was that although I grew up in Melbourne suburbia I wasn’t indoctrinated to that. My mother kept a 1960s bush garden – straight lines were forbidden. And you never, ever planted an even number of anything, always an odd number. If you were going to plant a number of plants in a biggish area, you took the same number of potatoes as plants you were going to plant, stood in the middle of the area and tossed the potatoes in the air. Then you planted where they fell. My great aunts kept cottage type gardens – gloriously random. My maternal grandparents’ garden at the farm at Rowville was rather wild and the paddock over the creek was still a bit bushy. My paternal grandfather basically didn’t garden and kept his grass mown and that was it. I’m unaware of any guilt about not having an English garden/landscape and it certainly wasn’t an aspiration.
By the way…box hedges and iceberg roses anyone?
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:It reads as foreign to me. But of course, she was writing much closer to the immigrant generation than I am.
Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
But you see my point was that although I grew up in Melbourne suburbia I wasn’t indoctrinated to that. My mother kept a 1960s bush garden – straight lines were forbidden. And you never, ever planted an even number of anything, always an odd number. If you were going to plant a number of plants in a biggish area, you took the same number of potatoes as plants you were going to plant, stood in the middle of the area and tossed the potatoes in the air. Then you planted where they fell. My great aunts kept cottage type gardens – gloriously random. My maternal grandparents’ garden at the farm at Rowville was rather wild and the paddock over the creek was still a bit bushy. My paternal grandfather basically didn’t garden and kept his grass mown and that was it. I’m unaware of any guilt about not having an English garden/landscape and it certainly wasn’t an aspiration.
I grew up in a family of garden snobs with a garden that backed on Lane Cove national park. We grew a few natives in the yard. Christmas bush and cycads and rock orchids.
I get what your saying. But I grew up on both sides of the fence. Whenever I could break out. I did love the other side of the fence.
buffy said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
But you see my point was that although I grew up in Melbourne suburbia I wasn’t indoctrinated to that. My mother kept a 1960s bush garden – straight lines were forbidden. And you never, ever planted an even number of anything, always an odd number. If you were going to plant a number of plants in a biggish area, you took the same number of potatoes as plants you were going to plant, stood in the middle of the area and tossed the potatoes in the air. Then you planted where they fell. My great aunts kept cottage type gardens – gloriously random. My maternal grandparents’ garden at the farm at Rowville was rather wild and the paddock over the creek was still a bit bushy. My paternal grandfather basically didn’t garden and kept his grass mown and that was it. I’m unaware of any guilt about not having an English garden/landscape and it certainly wasn’t an aspiration.
By the way…box hedges and iceberg roses anyone?
I’ve got a box hedge that is about 12 foot high. I’d say I have lost it. Clipped a hunk out one end the other day so I could get to the pump.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/election-2022-morrison-albanese-bulldozer/101065856Annabel.
Ha!
‘… in front of an underwhelmed-looking cohort of lab-coated employees, the PM assumed the position for his daily press conference.’We can probably expect three more nationwide polls during the election period: one more from Morgan, Ipsos and Newspoll. It’s hard to picture that they will change the equation much. There may be some more seat polls. Undecideds are still around 6%.
buffy said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:Well it is foreign. That’s the point of it
It’s meant to call to the reader’s mind the way that they’ve been indoctrinated to to believe that the green and shaded lanes, the ordered woods and gardens are ‘correct’, how things should be, and that the harsher, more spare landscapes of Australia are somehow ‘wrong’ and not to be loved.
And, to be honest, this probably wasn’t entirely untrue of people up until (at least?) the 1960s. I remember in 1968, when we learnt about the poem, that we discussed it in class and even at that young age, we had to admit that it did bring forth a slight twinge of guilt at how we were conditioned to reject an Australian landscape in favour of an English one, even if not to the same degree as generations before us.
But you see my point was that although I grew up in Melbourne suburbia I wasn’t indoctrinated to that. My mother kept a 1960s bush garden – straight lines were forbidden. And you never, ever planted an even number of anything, always an odd number. If you were going to plant a number of plants in a biggish area, you took the same number of potatoes as plants you were going to plant, stood in the middle of the area and tossed the potatoes in the air. Then you planted where they fell. My great aunts kept cottage type gardens – gloriously random. My maternal grandparents’ garden at the farm at Rowville was rather wild and the paddock over the creek was still a bit bushy. My paternal grandfather basically didn’t garden and kept his grass mown and that was it. I’m unaware of any guilt about not having an English garden/landscape and it certainly wasn’t an aspiration.
By the way…box hedges and iceberg roses anyone?
urrgh.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
buffy said:But you see my point was that although I grew up in Melbourne suburbia I wasn’t indoctrinated to that. My mother kept a 1960s bush garden – straight lines were forbidden. And you never, ever planted an even number of anything, always an odd number. If you were going to plant a number of plants in a biggish area, you took the same number of potatoes as plants you were going to plant, stood in the middle of the area and tossed the potatoes in the air. Then you planted where they fell. My great aunts kept cottage type gardens – gloriously random. My maternal grandparents’ garden at the farm at Rowville was rather wild and the paddock over the creek was still a bit bushy. My paternal grandfather basically didn’t garden and kept his grass mown and that was it. I’m unaware of any guilt about not having an English garden/landscape and it certainly wasn’t an aspiration.
By the way…box hedges and iceberg roses anyone?
I’ve got a box hedge that is about 12 foot high. I’d say I have lost it. Clipped a hunk out one end the other day so I could get to the pump.
glyphosate.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:By the way…box hedges and iceberg roses anyone?
I’ve got a box hedge that is about 12 foot high. I’d say I have lost it. Clipped a hunk out one end the other day so I could get to the pump.
glyphosate.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:I’ve got a box hedge that is about 12 foot high. I’d say I have lost it. Clipped a hunk out one end the other day so I could get to the pump.
glyphosate.
I’ve thought about it.
Even Scott Morrison is trying to distance himself from Scott Morrison now.
Where was this prime minister 2.0 when he was needed by Australians – as opposed to when he needed to win an election?
dv said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:I’ve got a box hedge that is about 12 foot high. I’d say I have lost it. Clipped a hunk out one end the other day so I could get to the pump.
glyphosate.
:)
AussieDJ said:
Even Scott Morrison is trying to distance himself from Scott Morrison now.
Where was this prime minister 2.0 when he was needed by Australians – as opposed to when he needed to win an election?
Quick, Reelect The Arsehole Or You’ll Never Find Out
The Libs seem to be trying to rebrand Morrison but honestly I don’t think he is their major problem. The Coaltion is 8% behind on the 2pp. Morrison is 8% ahead of Albo as preferred PM. I think the Libs’ problem is that they are selling what people don’t want to buy.
dv said:
The Libs seem to be trying to rebrand Morrison but honestly I don’t think he is their major problem. The Coaltion is 8% behind on the 2pp. Morrison is 8% ahead of Albo as preferred PM. I think the Libs’ problem is that they are selling what people don’t want to buy.
Where did they do the ‘preferred PM’ poll?
At ScoMo’s house?
dv said:
The Libs seem to be trying to rebrand Morrison but honestly I don’t think he is their major problem. The Coaltion is 8% behind on the 2pp. Morrison is 8% ahead of Albo as preferred PM. I think the Libs’ problem is that they are selling what people don’t want to buy.
They are still harping on about how good they are at managing the economy hen all the evidence poiints to this not being so.
They are constantly bagging the Labor party for their apparent ineptitude with money.
However there is no real evidence for this claim.
ABC News:
‘Labor promises almost $1 billion for Medicare and GPs if it wins federal election
By political reporter Stephanie Dalzell
Federal Labor is entering the election campaign home stretch armed with a promise of almost $1 billion in new Medicare and primary-health funding if it wins next weekend’s federal poll.’
They could do better than that.
In terms of Federal funding, $1 billion these days has a household parallel with the 5c and 10c pieces in the loose change dish on the sideboard.
roughbarked said:
They are still harping on about how good they are at managing the economy when all the evidence points to this not being so.
If you tell a lie often enough, and earnestly enough, not only do the listeners begin to think it might be true, but so do you.
captain_spalding said:
Jawohl Doctor Goebbels.
roughbarked said:They are still harping on about how good they are at managing the economy when all the evidence points to this not being so.
If you tell a lie often enough, and earnestly enough, not only do the listeners begin to think it might be true, but so do you.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:Jawohl Doctor Goebbels.
roughbarked said:They are still harping on about how good they are at managing the economy when all the evidence points to this not being so.
If you tell a lie often enough, and earnestly enough, not only do the listeners begin to think it might be true, but so do you.
Doesn’t matter who did or didn’t say it. It’s a technique that’s frequently employed, and it often works.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:Jawohl Doctor Goebbels.If you tell a lie often enough, and earnestly enough, not only do the listeners begin to think it might be true, but so do you.
Doesn’t matter who did or didn’t say it. It’s a technique that’s frequently employed, and it often works.
Clearly it is the Libs main strategy.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Jawohl Doctor Goebbels.Doesn’t matter who did or didn’t say it. It’s a technique that’s frequently employed, and it often works.
Clearly it is the Libs main strategy.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/13/even-scott-morrison-is-trying-to-distance-himself-from-scott-morrison-now
https://chisholm.emancipator.com.au/papers/27748/
If JoFry really does lose his seat, and the Libs lose the election, I wonder who the next Liberal leader will be.
Be aware that the gambling odds at the moment are
1.28 Labor
4.00 Coalition
Which indicates that the market does not think this is all over, those aren’t high odds for the lishun
Stop The Teals
Of course freedom of navigation is permitted all around the world, The international law of the sea has not been breached.
Some of the Nationals how to vote cards have erased the party names, perhaps because of embarrassment about the preference deal with One Nation.
dv said:
Some of the Nationals how to vote cards have erased the party names, perhaps because of embarrassment about the preference deal with One Nation.
I consider that deceptive advertising because it is not an accurate depiction of the ballot paper.
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the Nationals how to vote cards have erased the party names, perhaps because of embarrassment about the preference deal with One Nation.
I consider that deceptive advertising because it is not an accurate depiction of the ballot paper.
I agree.
Scott’s pay went up, yours went down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-bsAzpvLnE
Nine Newspapers reported on Saturday that the United States wanted certainty that the deal, which includes sharing nuclear submarine technology, would have ongoing support from both the Coalition and Labor.
However, Labor was only briefed on the pact the day before it was publicly announced.
Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has seized on the reports, pointing out the article’s reference to a five-month gap between when the Biden administration asked for Australian Labor to be briefed, and when that briefing ultimately occurred.
“The Biden Administration understood that this is an upgrade of our alliance with the United Kingdom and the United States, that would have implications beyond who was in government at any particular time,” Mr Albanese told reporters in Darwin.
“It is extraordinary that the Prime Minister broke that faith and trust with our most important ally by not briefing Australian Labor on these issues.“Not only (will the AUKUS security pact) be causing tensions with our relationship with France, an important ally, we are also causing tensions with our most important ally, the United States of America.”
SCIENCE said:
Of course freedom of navigation is permitted all around the world, The international law of the sea has not been breached.
Some people do get annoyed when you pass by recently constructed military bases on islands that nobody recognises as their territory.
roughbarked said:
Nine Newspapers reported on Saturday that the United States wanted certainty that the deal, which includes sharing nuclear submarine technology, would have ongoing support from both the Coalition and Labor.However, Labor was only briefed on the pact the day before it was publicly announced.
Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has seized on the reports, pointing out the article’s reference to a five-month gap between when the Biden administration asked for Australian Labor to be briefed, and when that briefing ultimately occurred.
“The Biden Administration understood that this is an upgrade of our alliance with the United Kingdom and the United States, that would have implications beyond who was in government at any particular time,” Mr Albanese told reporters in Darwin.
“It is extraordinary that the Prime Minister broke that faith and trust with our most important ally by not briefing Australian Labor on these issues.“Not only (will the AUKUS security pact) be causing tensions with our relationship with France, an important ally, we are also causing tensions with our most important ally, the United States of America.”
far out.
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the Nationals how to vote cards have erased the party names, perhaps because of embarrassment about the preference deal with One Nation.
I consider that deceptive advertising because it is not an accurate depiction of the ballot paper.
If i binge “ballot paper berowra” the first hit is:
https://www.howtovote.org.au/berowra
and howtovote.org is a Labor Party site, so good work on their part.
OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
dv said:
Some of the Nationals how to vote cards have erased the party names, perhaps because of embarrassment about the preference deal with One Nation.
I consider that deceptive advertising because it is not an accurate depiction of the ballot paper.
If i binge “ballot paper berowra” the first hit is:
https://www.howtovote.org.au/berowraand howtovote.org is a Labor Party site, so good work on their part.
OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
The government site with listing of names + party is at:
https://aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Hornsby&division=Berowra&state=NSW
but the names don’t line up with the parties, so from a quick look you could well select the wrong name for your chosen party!
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:I consider that deceptive advertising because it is not an accurate depiction of the ballot paper.
If i binge “ballot paper berowra” the first hit is:
https://www.howtovote.org.au/berowraand howtovote.org is a Labor Party site, so good work on their part.
OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
The government site with listing of names + party is at:
https://aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Hornsby&division=Berowra&state=NSW
but the names don’t line up with the parties, so from a quick look you could well select the wrong name for your chosen party!
If you go to the ABC “your personal poclet guide to the 2022 election and type in your choice of voting day and your electorate.
You get something like this Link
The Rev Dodgson said:
OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
That is very common for HTV cards.
SCIENCE said:
Of course freedom of navigation is permitted all around the world, The international law of the sea has not been breached.
Well…
…when you consider that the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague has ruled that China has no claim to the Spratly islands or the Paracel islands or any of the other South China Sea islands that they’ve taken over and expanded and fortified, and no claim on the waters around them
…and that, despite that ruling, they claim those waters to be Chinese territory
…and that they require foreign warships to give advance notice of transit through those waters, where no such notice was previously required by any of the nations that surround those waters
…and that they send their own warships to shadow such ships which are, in line with the laws and principles of free navigation, transiting the area
…and that Chinese warships have made aggressive manoeuvres towards foreign warships, contravening the rules for preventing collisions at sea, and bringing them within 50 metres of collision
…and that the Chinese ‘maritime militia’ routinely harass fishing boats from other countries around the South China Sea
then a claim that the law has not been breached takes on a distinct shade of (battleship?) grey.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If i binge “ballot paper berowra” the first hit is:
https://www.howtovote.org.au/berowraand howtovote.org is a Labor Party site, so good work on their part.
OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
The government site with listing of names + party is at:
https://aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Hornsby&division=Berowra&state=NSW
but the names don’t line up with the parties, so from a quick look you could well select the wrong name for your chosen party!
If you go to the ABC “your personal poclet guide to the 2022 election and type in your choice of voting day and your electorate.
You get something like this Link
At least the party membership is obvious there.
For Berowra several of the candidates didn’t bother to put up any information about themselves, including the Greens.
Scott Morrison’s racist receipts
GetUp! Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyDWUeLpabs
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
That is very common for HTV cards.
I couldn’t actually tell you what a how to vote card looks like. I don’t accept them. I roll up with my own piece of paper showing me how I want to vote. I used to accept them and then walk back down the line handing them back randomly to the hander outers. But I can’t be bothered doing that any more.
buffy said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OTOH, they also list the candidates names without parties, except for No. 1, who happens to be the Labor candidate.
That is very common for HTV cards.
I couldn’t actually tell you what a how to vote card looks like. I don’t accept them. I roll up with my own piece of paper showing me how I want to vote. I used to accept them and then walk back down the line handing them back randomly to the hander outers. But I can’t be bothered doing that any more.
I’m increasingly of the opinion that they should be banned but I suppose that would be an unreasonable restriction on freedom of speech.
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.
https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
sarahs mum said:
Scott Morrison’s racist receiptsGetUp! Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyDWUeLpabs
watched that
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
still using that misogynist word shrill to describe a woman.
you really have a problem with women, don’t you?
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/inside-focus-group-slamming-arrogant-prime-minister-scott-morrison/news-story/7e39c4187d3ae8a107d4418ec3284a49
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
are you in a rabbit hole?
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
still using that misogynist word shrill to describe a woman.
you really have a problem with women, don’t you?
He’s a ahem confirmed bachelor…
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
So the ABC’s almost as bad as Skynews now?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
So the ABC’s almost as bad as Skynews now?
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
transition said:
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
The ABC is pretty conservative. Insiders is basically Murdoch run now.
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
So the ABC’s almost as bad as Skynews now?
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
The ABC is routinely attacked for being both too left-wing and too right-wing so IMO it’s probably the case that it sits in the sensible centre.
dv said:
transition said:
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
The ABC is pretty conservative. Insiders is basically Murdoch run now.
You dislike David Speers?
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
I’d be happy to wave goodbye to Josh.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Virginia Trioli, the ABC presenter, has always been a shrill for the ALP/Greens
Is she even trying to be fair and balanced, nup.
Check out her Twitter feed.https://twitter.com/LaTrioli/status/1524869515632611328?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
So the ABC’s almost as bad as Skynews now?
I didn’t see anything Skynewslike about the linked video clip.
dv said:
transition said:
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
The ABC is pretty conservative. Insiders is basically Murdoch run now.
yeah i’ve heard others say that, it could even look like that way if someone was looking for that, perhaps it’s substantially true
i’m not sure the inverted fascism is best explained entirely that way, a murdoch-centric view, influence from that side, if there really are any sides at all that explain it best
I do know i’d rather the world didn’t seem small
buffy said:
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I thought it interesting that the pay rate was mentioned.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I thought it interesting that the pay rate was mentioned.
it is more than the minimum wage…
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I thought it interesting that the pay rate was mentioned.
it is more than the minimum wage…
Yes it is.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I was just thinking that. It is completely unskilled work.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I was just thinking that. It is completely unskilled work.
There’s a certain cringe factor that must me compensated for.
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
the award rate for those promotional models may be $30PH, and that is the minimum rate.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I was just thinking that. It is completely unskilled work.
There’s a certain cringe factor that must me compensated for.
wear a mask…
party_pants said:
I was just thinking that. It is completely unskilled work.
Well, ScoMo’s on $550,000 a year, and he doesn’t seem to to display any particular skills in the job he’s doing.
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
I’ll try to remember that.
It will save people a considerable effort as they won’t have to swipe over the URL, right click, and click on ‘open in new tab’.
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
communist
Bogsnorkler said:
the award rate for those promotional models may be $30PH, and that is the minimum rate.
wait so are they unionised or what is their charge
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
communist
say it like you mean it!
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
So the ABC’s almost as bad as Skynews now?
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
The ABC is routinely attacked for being both too left-wing and too right-wing so IMO it’s probably the case that it sits in the sensible centre.
We Need More Moderation, Argument To
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
the award rate for those promotional models may be $30PH, and that is the minimum rate.
wait so are they unionised or what is their charge
you don’t have to be in a Union to be covered by an award.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
>>Josh Frydenberg is paying promotional models $30 an hour to work as human billboards carrying 7kg signs around Kooyong<< Alice Workman.
From here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/josh-frydenberg-loses-kooyong-cant-blame-labor-campaign-idiocy/101064198
Someone’s desperation is showing.
Surely he should be paying them absolute minimum wage to avoid fuelling inflation.
I was just thinking that. It is completely unskilled work.
On the other hand I can understand the difficulty in getting anyone to do it.
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
Seems like this will depend on the platform and browser in use, and even on the settings.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:transition said:
not regard that, but occasionally i’ve wondered if it is
The ABC is routinely attacked for being both too left-wing and too right-wing so IMO it’s probably the case that it sits in the sensible centre.
We Need More Moderation, Argument To
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
Seems like this will depend on the platform and browser in use, and even on the settings.
it will make it work for me and that is all i can comment on. i can’t see it being much different whatever browser people use but I haven’t use anything but Opera for donkeys.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The ABC is routinely attacked for being both too left-wing and too right-wing so IMO it’s probably the case that it sits in the sensible centre.
We Need More Moderation, Argument To
Well it certainly better than either one of the political extremes.
nothing wrong with a good straw man
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
the award rate for those promotional models may be $30PH, and that is the minimum rate.
wait so are they unionised or what is their charge
you don’t have to be in a Union to be covered by an award.
but will you lose an electron
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
Of course freedom of navigation is permitted all around the world, The international law of the sea has not been breached.
Some people do get annoyed when you pass by recently constructed military bases on islands that nobody recognises as their territory.
Well…
…when you consider that the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague has ruled that China has no claim to the Spratly islands or the Paracel islands or any of the other South China Sea islands that they’ve taken over and expanded and fortified, and no claim on the waters around them
…and that, despite that ruling, they claim those waters to be Chinese territory
…and that they require foreign warships to give advance notice of transit through those waters, where no such notice was previously required by any of the nations that surround those waters
…and that they send their own warships to shadow such ships which are, in line with the laws and principles of free navigation, transiting the area
…and that Chinese warships have made aggressive manoeuvres towards foreign warships, contravening the rules for preventing collisions at sea, and bringing them within 50 metres of collision
…and that the Chinese ‘maritime militia’ routinely harass fishing boats from other countries around the South China Sea
then a claim that the law has not been breached takes on a distinct shade of (battleship?) grey.
thing is, more relevantly to the local, we were discussing whether this was a case of diversion tact, and the mixed messaging kind of suggests
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
We Need More Moderation, Argument To
Well it certainly better than either one of the political extremes.
nothing wrong with a good straw man
Nor to be disingenuous it seems.
SCIENCE said:
thing is, more relevantly to the local, we were discussing whether this was a case of diversion tact, and the mixed messaging kind of suggests
Although English may not be your first language, you’re managing q
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:thing is, more relevantly to the local, we were discussing whether this was a case of diversion tact, and the mixed messaging kind of suggests
Although English may not be your first language, you’re managing q
Some of my best friends are AfroEurasian
uite well.
I think i understandwhat you mean.
Dutton was just lucky that the Chinese decided to do a drive-by during an election campaign, and give him a chance to grab a headline.
Serendipitous for him.
good lord
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
But you just highlight the URL, not the whole line.
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
But you just highlight the URL, not the whole line.
if you just click on the line a couple of times it highlights that line. no need to drag the curser along it.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
But you just highlight the URL, not the whole line.
if you just click on the line a couple of times it highlights that line. no need to drag the curser along it.
3 left clicks will do the line, 2 does that word the curser is over.
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
just a heads up for people who don’t link but post a URL. Post it as a stand alone line/ That way you can highlight it with a click and go to that address. if you put say From here, or Here, in front that will also get highlighted and it will no longer be a URL that you can rightclick and go to.
But you just highlight the URL, not the whole line.
if you just click on the line a couple of times it highlights that line. no need to drag the curser along it.
Not for me. (Firefox).
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:But you just highlight the URL, not the whole line.
if you just click on the line a couple of times it highlights that line. no need to drag the curser along it.
Not for me. (Firefox).
Nor the three clicks neither.
The Prime Minister also said the COVID pandemic had demanded he act as a “protector” of Australians, making tough calls for the greater good, but that he was ready to move into a stage of encouragement.
“What you have seen from me, especially over the last few years, is what Australians have needed, and I think Australians would agree with that,” Mr Morrison said.
“In a time of crisis, they needed my protection, they needed my strength.
“In a time of opportunity, they need my encouragement, they need my facilitation, they need my enthusiasm to ensure that the policies we have continue to enable them to meet their aspirations.”
https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/7737980/pm-singles-out-health-department-in-admitting-to-vaccine-rollout-mistakes/
buffy said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:if you just click on the line a couple of times it highlights that line. no need to drag the curser along it.
Not for me. (Firefox).
Nor the three clicks neither.
I use Opera. Tried it in Edge, worked there.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Prime Minister also said the COVID pandemic had demanded he act as a “protector” of Australians, making tough calls for the greater good, but that he was ready to move into a stage of encouragement.“What you have seen from me, especially over the last few years, is what Australians have needed, and I think Australians would agree with that,” Mr Morrison said.
“In a time of crisis, they needed my protection, they needed my strength.
“In a time of opportunity, they need my encouragement, they need my facilitation, they need my enthusiasm to ensure that the policies we have continue to enable them to meet their aspirations.”
https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/7737980/pm-singles-out-health-department-in-admitting-to-vaccine-rollout-mistakes/
Good grief – did he think he had his Church Leader hat on?!
(Obviously I haven’t quite gone yet)
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
buffy said:Not for me. (Firefox).
Nor the three clicks neither.
I use Opera. Tried it in Edge, worked there.
left clicks, fairly rapid. got to be in the line somewhere.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Prime Minister also said the COVID pandemic had demanded he act as a “protector” of Australians, making tough calls for the greater good, but that he was ready to move into a stage of encouragement.“What you have seen from me, especially over the last few years, is what Australians have needed, and I think Australians would agree with that,” Mr Morrison said.
“In a time of crisis, they needed my protection, they needed my strength.
“In a time of opportunity, they need my encouragement, they need my facilitation, they need my enthusiasm to ensure that the policies we have continue to enable them to meet their aspirations.”
https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/7737980/pm-singles-out-health-department-in-admitting-to-vaccine-rollout-mistakes/
bollocks. he was at war with the state governbment.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Prime Minister also said the COVID pandemic had demanded he act as a “protector” of Australians, making tough calls for the greater good, but that he was ready to move into a stage of encouragement.“What you have seen from me, especially over the last few years, is what Australians have needed, and I think Australians would agree with that,” Mr Morrison said.
“In a time of crisis, they needed my protection, they needed my strength.
“In a time of opportunity, they need my encouragement, they need my facilitation, they need my enthusiasm to ensure that the policies we have continue to enable them to meet their aspirations.”
https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/7737980/pm-singles-out-health-department-in-admitting-to-vaccine-rollout-mistakes/
bollocks. he was at war with the state governbment.
What tough calls did he make? It was the state governments doing most of the calls, good and bad…
furious said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Prime Minister also said the COVID pandemic had demanded he act as a “protector” of Australians, making tough calls for the greater good, but that he was ready to move into a stage of encouragement.“What you have seen from me, especially over the last few years, is what Australians have needed, and I think Australians would agree with that,” Mr Morrison said.
“In a time of crisis, they needed my protection, they needed my strength.
“In a time of opportunity, they need my encouragement, they need my facilitation, they need my enthusiasm to ensure that the policies we have continue to enable them to meet their aspirations.”
https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/7737980/pm-singles-out-health-department-in-admitting-to-vaccine-rollout-mistakes/
bollocks. he was at war with the state governbment.
What tough calls did he make? It was the state governments doing most of the calls, good and bad…
he stopped the boats from china. and the planes.
furious said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Prime Minister also said the COVID pandemic had demanded he act as a “protector” of Australians, making tough calls for the greater good, but that he was ready to move into a stage of encouragement.“What you have seen from me, especially over the last few years, is what Australians have needed, and I think Australians would agree with that,” Mr Morrison said.
“In a time of crisis, they needed my protection, they needed my strength.
“In a time of opportunity, they need my encouragement, they need my facilitation, they need my enthusiasm to ensure that the policies we have continue to enable them to meet their aspirations.”
https://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/7737980/pm-singles-out-health-department-in-admitting-to-vaccine-rollout-mistakes/
bollocks. he was at war with the state governbment.
What tough calls did he make? It was the state governments doing most of the calls, good and bad…
He made the tough call of backing out of Clive Palmer’s case against the travel restrictions after initially supporting it.
Made some pretty tough calls to his travel agent.
dv said:
Made some pretty tough calls to his travel agent.
jen did those.
So are we confident of a Labor victory?
If nothing else, surely most Australians want Scomo out of their faces by now.
Bubblecar said:
So are we confident of a Labor victory?If nothing else, surely most Australians want Scomo out of their faces by now.
I think the betting markets have it about right. An ALP victory is highly probable but not a sure thing.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
So are we confident of a Labor victory?If nothing else, surely most Australians want Scomo out of their faces by now.
I think the betting markets have it about right. An ALP victory is highly probable but not a sure thing.
Yes, I remember people telling me back in 2016 that there was no way on God’s green earth that Donald Trump would win the US election…
Neophyte said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
So are we confident of a Labor victory?If nothing else, surely most Australians want Scomo out of their faces by now.
I think the betting markets have it about right. An ALP victory is highly probable but not a sure thing.
Yes, I remember people telling me back in 2016 that there was no way on God’s green earth that Donald Trump would win the US election…
I never heard anyone say that. He was in with a reasonable shot right throughout the campaign.
dv said:
Neophyte said:
dv said:
I think the betting markets have it about right. An ALP victory is highly probable but not a sure thing.
Yes, I remember people telling me back in 2016 that there was no way on God’s green earth that Donald Trump would win the US election…
I never heard anyone say that. He was in with a reasonable shot right throughout the campaign.
but ask anyone if the USSA could ever become a National Socialist Dystopia and
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Neophyte said:
Yes, I remember people telling me back in 2016 that there was no way on God’s green earth that Donald Trump would win the US election…
I never heard anyone say that. He was in with a reasonable shot right throughout the campaign.
but ask anyone if the USSA could ever become a National Socialist Dystopia and
It matters little when a 43% seething mass threatens.
Hasn’t this been done before by the said accusers?
Link Liberal Party will ask the Australian Electoral Commission to investigate an alleged breach by Anthony Albanese’s captain’s pick for the seat of Parramatta, with Labor candidate, Andrew Charlton, reportedly breaching electoral laws by providing a wrong address.
To see grinning politicians;
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/liberal-party-aec-probe-into-labor-candidate-andrew-charlton/101067820
roughbarked said:
Hasn’t this been done before by the said accusers?Link Liberal Party will ask the Australian Electoral Commission to investigate an alleged breach by Anthony Albanese’s captain’s pick for the seat of Parramatta, with Labor candidate, Andrew Charlton, reportedly breaching electoral laws by providing a wrong address.
To see grinning politicians;
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/liberal-party-aec-probe-into-labor-candidate-andrew-charlton/101067820
So what happens now? Plenty of people have already voted.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Hasn’t this been done before by the said accusers?Link Liberal Party will ask the Australian Electoral Commission to investigate an alleged breach by Anthony Albanese’s captain’s pick for the seat of Parramatta, with Labor candidate, Andrew Charlton, reportedly breaching electoral laws by providing a wrong address.
To see grinning politicians;
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/liberal-party-aec-probe-into-labor-candidate-andrew-charlton/101067820
So what happens now? Plenty of people have already voted.
:)
These are desperate times for those hanging on by grim death.
SCIENCE said:
I have seen mention of this elsewhere. Is there a summary of the story anywhere?
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
I have seen mention of this elsewhere. Is there a summary of the story anywhere?
AussieDJ said:
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
I have seen mention of this elsewhere. Is there a summary of the story anywhere?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/federal-election-candidates-wa-covid-anti-mandate-platforms/101057596
Most minor parties in WA contesting federal election on anti-mandate platforms
People living in regional Western Australia have the luxury of choosing from a wide variety of candidates at next weekend’s federal election.
But country voters feeling disenchanted with the major parties would be hard pressed to find an alternative voice that is not an anti-COVID-19 mandate campaigner.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Made some pretty tough calls to his travel agent.
jen did those.
He’s got a PA…I’m sure she (probably not he) did those.
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
I have seen mention of this elsewhere. Is there a summary of the story anywhere?
https://twitter.com/Mon4Kooyong/status/1525343923865997313
has the story.
Bogsnorkler said:
Dark Orange said:
SCIENCE said:
I have seen mention of this elsewhere. Is there a summary of the story anywhere?
https://twitter.com/Mon4Kooyong/status/1525343923865997313
has the story.
Well it has one version of the story.
If the owner is happy with a huge pro-Josh ad on the roof, why would they agree to anti-Josh ads on the walls?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Well it has one version of the story.
and the one i choose to believe.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Dark Orange said:I have seen mention of this elsewhere. Is there a summary of the story anywhere?
https://twitter.com/Mon4Kooyong/status/1525343923865997313
has the story.
Well it has one version of the story.
If the owner is happy with a huge pro-Josh ad on the roof, why would they agree to anti-Josh ads on the walls?
I’m not sure that the owner gets a say in the ad on the roof.
I may be wrong, but i think that the deal is that the hoarding/billboard company owns the advertising space, and they pay the building owners to have it on their roof. The owners aren’t involved in or have any say over what gets put on the billboard.
But, they certainly have say over what gets painted on their walls.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it has one version of the story.
and the one i choose to believe.
Over-eager and dimwitted campaign workers at the bottom of it, no doubt.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it has one version of the story.
and the one i choose to believe.
Over-eager and dimwitted campaign workers at the bottom of it, no doubt.
you didn’t read the link.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:https://twitter.com/Mon4Kooyong/status/1525343923865997313
has the story.
Well it has one version of the story.
If the owner is happy with a huge pro-Josh ad on the roof, why would they agree to anti-Josh ads on the walls?
I’m not sure that the owner gets a say in the ad on the roof.
I may be wrong, but i think that the deal is that the hoarding/billboard company owns the advertising space, and they pay the building owners to have it on their roof. The owners aren’t involved in or have any say over what gets put on the billboard.
But, they certainly have say over what gets painted on their walls.
OK, so maybe the owner was told by the advertising company that if they wanted to keep getting their advertising income, they’d better remove the ads on the wall damned quick.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:and the one i choose to believe.
Over-eager and dimwitted campaign workers at the bottom of it, no doubt.
you didn’t read the link.
The ABC one?
Well, i glanced through the story before the link was posted here. Didn’t seem to warrant more than that.
Someone told someone else that another someone else had obtained written consent, and blah blah blah.
Trivial.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:and the one i choose to believe.
Over-eager and dimwitted campaign workers at the bottom of it, no doubt.
you didn’t read the link.
Well I did.
I think dimwitted is a bit unfair, but they should of done a better job of checking what the consequences would be for the owner, for sure.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it has one version of the story.
If the owner is happy with a huge pro-Josh ad on the roof, why would they agree to anti-Josh ads on the walls?
I’m not sure that the owner gets a say in the ad on the roof.
I may be wrong, but i think that the deal is that the hoarding/billboard company owns the advertising space, and they pay the building owners to have it on their roof. The owners aren’t involved in or have any say over what gets put on the billboard.
But, they certainly have say over what gets painted on their walls.
OK, so maybe the owner was told by the advertising company that if they wanted to keep getting their advertising income, they’d better remove the ads on the wall damned quick.
that is one possibility. another is the owners got a call from someone who wanted ryan not to be promoted and their pick of josh to be given free reign.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:Over-eager and dimwitted campaign workers at the bottom of it, no doubt.
you didn’t read the link.
The ABC one?
Well, i glanced through the story before the link was posted here. Didn’t seem to warrant more than that.
Someone told someone else that another someone else had obtained written consent, and blah blah blah.
Trivial.
the twitter one that you responded to my response to the rev about.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it has one version of the story.
If the owner is happy with a huge pro-Josh ad on the roof, why would they agree to anti-Josh ads on the walls?
I’m not sure that the owner gets a say in the ad on the roof.
I may be wrong, but i think that the deal is that the hoarding/billboard company owns the advertising space, and they pay the building owners to have it on their roof. The owners aren’t involved in or have any say over what gets put on the billboard.
But, they certainly have say over what gets painted on their walls.
OK, so maybe the owner was told by the advertising company that if they wanted to keep getting their advertising income, they’d better remove the ads on the wall damned quick.
Well, if you’re the building owner, and you’re getting paid to have an advertising space on your roof which just happens to have a poster for an enormous tool on it, why would you tolerate someone painting a rival ad on your building if you didn’t even give your consent, leaving aside the question of payment?
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:you didn’t read the link.
The ABC one?
Well, i glanced through the story before the link was posted here. Didn’t seem to warrant more than that.
Someone told someone else that another someone else had obtained written consent, and blah blah blah.
Trivial.
the twitter one that you responded to my response to the rev about.
No. Didn’t. Oh well.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:I’m not sure that the owner gets a say in the ad on the roof.
I may be wrong, but i think that the deal is that the hoarding/billboard company owns the advertising space, and they pay the building owners to have it on their roof. The owners aren’t involved in or have any say over what gets put on the billboard.
But, they certainly have say over what gets painted on their walls.
OK, so maybe the owner was told by the advertising company that if they wanted to keep getting their advertising income, they’d better remove the ads on the wall damned quick.
Well, if you’re the building owner, and you’re getting paid to have an advertising space on your roof which just happens to have a poster for an enormous tool on it, why would you tolerate someone painting a rival ad on your building if you didn’t even give your consent, leaving aside the question of payment?
They say they did have consent.
So either they are lying, or they misunderstood the owner, or he changed his mind.
I think the latter two are the more likely, but I don’t think it’s a big deal if he did change his mind, for whatever reason.
Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
I couldn’t read the small image anyway.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
Still, if Bogsnorkler is enjoying his outrage bus trip this morning, who are we to argue?
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, so maybe the owner was told by the advertising company that if they wanted to keep getting their advertising income, they’d better remove the ads on the wall damned quick.
Well, if you’re the building owner, and you’re getting paid to have an advertising space on your roof which just happens to have a poster for an enormous tool on it, why would you tolerate someone painting a rival ad on your building if you didn’t even give your consent, leaving aside the question of payment?
They say they did have consent.
So either they are lying, or they misunderstood the owner, or he changed his mind.
I think the latter two are the more likely, but I don’t think it’s a big deal if he did change his mind, for whatever reason.
Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
I agree with your take that the last two are the most likely. with the last being even more likely.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
I couldn’t read the small image anyway.
Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Especially since the anti-Joshites get even more publicity out of it.
This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
Still, if Bogsnorkler is enjoying his outrage bus trip this morning, who are we to argue?
I am and it is nice to have company on the bus.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
I couldn’t read the small image anyway.
Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I couldn’t read the small image anyway.
Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:This is true.
The image of the painted ad has now reached a very much wider audience than would have been possible without the help of the ‘news’ media.
Still, if Bogsnorkler is enjoying his outrage bus trip this morning, who are we to argue?
I am and it is nice to have company on the bus.
I can’t wait until the election is over and certain retrobates are gone to history. Josh being one of them, even though the ABC described him as a moderate. I don’t.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I’m so glad, i’m so glad, I’m glad I’m glad
I am glad.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Still, if Bogsnorkler is enjoying his outrage bus trip this morning, who are we to argue?
I am and it is nice to have company on the bus.
I can’t wait until the election is over and certain retrobates are gone to history. Josh being one of them, even though the ABC described him as a moderate. I don’t.
He is compared with potato head.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I’m so glad, i’m so glad, I’m glad I’m glad
I am glad.
I just wish Elon would build a rocket big enough to get them all lost in space forever.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I’m so glad, i’m so glad, I’m glad I’m glad
I am glad.
You missed an I’m glad.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:I am and it is nice to have company on the bus.
I can’t wait until the election is over and certain retrobates are gone to history. Josh being one of them, even though the ABC described him as a moderate. I don’t.
He is compared with potato head.
Yeah but the squashed spud is a full on nazi.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I’m so glad, i’m so glad, I’m glad I’m glad
I am glad.
You missed an I’m glad.
;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I don’t appear to get those ads.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I don’t appear to get those ads.
You probably block them?
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I don’t appear to get those ads.
It was an e-mail in response to me logging on for the first time for months (if not years).
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I don’t appear to get those ads.
You probably block them?
they aren’t that kind of advert so blockers don’t work on them. they are more twitter’s suggestions of who to follow.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You don’t care about the missed opportunity to “follow” AGL Australia, and Elon Musk?
Sad :)
I don’t appear to get those ads.
It was an e-mail in response to me logging on for the first time for months (if not years).
ahhh. I am always logged in. I hardly use it though and it is mainly for seeing stuff that is posted here. like this story.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I couldn’t read the small image anyway.
Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
I don’t either, but I clicked on the relevent bit and read it.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Click on the twitterlink for full size view.
I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
I don’t either, but I clicked on the relevent bit and read it.
Fair enough.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
roughbarked said:I don’t do facebook and I don’t do twitter. It is a policy. I really don’t give a shit about what I’m missing out on.
I don’t either, but I clicked on the relevent bit and read it.
Fair enough.
So you don’t have to have a Twitter account to read it.
ABC News:
‘Scott Morrison set to launch Liberal Party’s federal election campaign in Brisbane
By political reporter Georgia Hitch
The Liberal Party is set to launch its federal election campaign in Brisbane a week out from voters heading to the polls. Follow live.’
This is like one of those movies that runs for fifteen or twenty minutes on the screen, and only then do they get around to rolling the opening titles.
Only more annoying.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Scott Morrison set to launch Liberal Party’s federal election campaign in Brisbane
By political reporter Georgia Hitch
The Liberal Party is set to launch its federal election campaign in Brisbane a week out from voters heading to the polls. Follow live.’This is like one of those movies that runs for fifteen or twenty minutes on the screen, and only then do they get around to rolling the opening titles.
Only more annoying.
They need to find some other name for it than “launch”. Then it might make some sense.
party_pants said:
I also need to remember to turnoff the italics.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Scott Morrison set to launch Liberal Party’s federal election campaign in Brisbane
By political reporter Georgia Hitch
The Liberal Party is set to launch its federal election campaign in Brisbane a week out from voters heading to the polls. Follow live.’This is like one of those movies that runs for fifteen or twenty minutes on the screen, and only then do they get around to rolling the opening titles.
Only more annoying.
They need to find some other name for it than “launch”. Then it might make some sense.
What was that arithmetic thing yesterday?
This is how you do arithmetic:
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKmpdQN_460svvp9.webm
(I know that i said i’d remember how to do links. But i didn’t. I’m old. Sue me.)
captain_spalding said:
What was that arithmetic thing yesterday?This is how you do arithmetic:
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKmpdQN_460svvp9.webm
(I know that i said i’d remember how to do links. But i didn’t. I’m old. Sue me.)
And i put it in the wrong thread.
Must be time to go do something else.
We are watching Insiders. They are covering ScoMo’s “vote me in again and I’ll change”. It’s very squirmy. It’s pretty much what domestic violence partners say…Oh, I didn’t meant it…just take me back and I promise I’ll change. And even the ones who aren’t dv-ers…you should never think you can change a partner.
buffy said:
We are watching Insiders. They are covering ScoMo’s “vote me in again and I’ll change”. It’s very squirmy. It’s pretty much what domestic violence partners say…Oh, I didn’t meant it…just take me back and I promise I’ll change. And even the ones who aren’t dv-ers…you should never think you can change a partner.
That’s what we told the young lass next door. ‘You have to leave, or he’ll kill you. He won’t mean to, and he’ll be haunted by it for the rest of his life, but you will be dead’.
After another punching, she left.
Kooyong voters confused by Ryan voting cards ‘could be the difference between winning and losing’
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/kooyong-voters-confused-by-ryan-voting-cards-could-be-the-difference-between-winning-and-losing-20220513-p5al6m.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kooyong voters confused by Ryan voting cards ‘could be the difference between winning and losing’https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/kooyong-voters-confused-by-ryan-voting-cards-could-be-the-difference-between-winning-and-losing-20220513-p5al6m.html
Surely people know how preferential voting works.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kooyong voters confused by Ryan voting cards ‘could be the difference between winning and losing’https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/kooyong-voters-confused-by-ryan-voting-cards-could-be-the-difference-between-winning-and-losing-20220513-p5al6m.html
Surely people know how preferential voting works.
Maybe some first time, inattentive voters have quite worked it out.
The Prime Minister has used the Liberal Party’s campaign launch to announce a plan to allow first home buyers to use their superannuation to purchase a property.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/coalition-election-campaign-launch-super-home-buyer-scheme/101068460
Pump priming the property market is exactly what this country needs at the moment.
sibeen said:
The Prime Minister has used the Liberal Party’s campaign launch to announce a plan to allow first home buyers to use their superannuation to purchase a property.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/coalition-election-campaign-launch-super-home-buyer-scheme/101068460
Pump priming the property market is exactly what this country needs at the moment.
Just what I was thinking too.
sibeen said:
The Prime Minister has used the Liberal Party’s campaign launch to announce a plan to allow first home buyers to use their superannuation to purchase a property.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/coalition-election-campaign-launch-super-home-buyer-scheme/101068460
Pump priming the property market is exactly what this country needs at the moment.
And then, decades down the track, when all of their income has been consumed by mortgage repayments on a house that they bought for a price they could never hope to work long enough to pay off, they can retire, with their super funds having taken a massive hit all those years back from which it could never be hoped it would recover, and they can hope to sell the place for whatever they still owe the bank plus about fifty bucks more, and hit the streets, because by then governments will have found a way out of the pension business.
The L/NP doesn’t like the idea of welfare, because, they bleat, ‘we’d be spending our children’s future’.
But,. they have no qualms at all about people squandering whatever they were counting on for that future if it props up the property market, keeps the banks’ balance sheets looking very profitable, and gives the illusion that there’s no crisis here under their rule.
The reply at the bottom says it all.
captain_spalding said:
The L/NP doesn’t like the idea of welfare, because, they bleat, ‘we’d be spending our children’s future’.But,. they have no qualms at all about people squandering whatever they were counting on for that future if it props up the property market, keeps the banks’ balance sheets looking very profitable, and gives the illusion that there’s no crisis here under their rule.
It is more complicated than that. We have a system (and it is not just us, other countries do it more extreme) where one of the easiest paths to wealth is through real estate investment. Property prices go up faster than inflation, and faster than the rate of interest. So it is dead easy, borrow money to buy a property, the value of that property rises faster than inflation and faster than the interest you are being charged on the loan.
At the same time the social housing experiment has largely failed and state governments have wound back on it. It did tend to create large slum areas and pockets of urban poverty and high crime rates. The modernist dreams of vast towers of cheap apartments as “machines for living” simply failed. However, closing down this avenue of affordable housing has driven demand in the private sector.
It works well for a time, but after a generation or two it gets unsustainable, Housing becomes so expensive that eventually the younger generations get priced out of the market. The birth rate plummets because families need two incomes to get by.
The situation for the big Australian capital cities based on the suburban utopia model is unsustainable in the longer term.
What can be done about it?
I don’t know.
buffy said:
We are watching Insiders. They are covering ScoMo’s “vote me in again and I’ll change”. It’s very squirmy. It’s pretty much what domestic violence partners say…Oh, I didn’t meant it…just take me back and I promise I’ll change. And even the ones who aren’t dv-ers…you should never think you can change a partner.
so this is good news for Corruption then, like how people tend to go back to abusive partners time and again
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
The Prime Minister has used the Liberal Party’s campaign launch to announce a plan to allow first home buyers to use their superannuation to purchase a property.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/coalition-election-campaign-launch-super-home-buyer-scheme/101068460
Pump priming the property market is exactly what this country needs at the moment.
And then, decades down the track, when all of their income has been consumed by mortgage repayments on a house that they bought for a price they could never hope to work long enough to pay off, they can retire, with their super funds having taken a massive hit all those years back from which it could never be hoped it would recover, and they can hope to sell the place for whatever they still owe the bank plus about fifty bucks more, and hit the streets, because by then governments will have found a way out of the pension business.
Decades later there won’t be a big enough working population for a pension anyway plus also suspect governments may pilfer super money (higher taxes etc) in 30 years time so may as well burn it now and live in a hovel somewhere rather than rent.
Spiny Norman said:
The reply at the bottom says it all.
This critter needs to disappear from public life.
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
The Prime Minister has used the Liberal Party’s campaign launch to announce a plan to allow first home buyers to use their superannuation to purchase a property.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/coalition-election-campaign-launch-super-home-buyer-scheme/101068460
Pump priming the property market is exactly what this country needs at the moment.
And then, decades down the track, when all of their income has been consumed by mortgage repayments on a house that they bought for a price they could never hope to work long enough to pay off, they can retire, with their super funds having taken a massive hit all those years back from which it could never be hoped it would recover, and they can hope to sell the place for whatever they still owe the bank plus about fifty bucks more, and hit the streets, because by then governments will have found a way out of the pension business.
Decades later there won’t be a big enough working population for a pension anyway plus also suspect governments may pilfer super money (higher taxes etc) in 30 years time so may as well burn it now and live in a hovel somewhere rather than rent.
True, in 130 years probably everyone alive now will probably be dead so why wait might as well start murdering them tonight¡
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
captain_spalding said:And then, decades down the track, when all of their income has been consumed by mortgage repayments on a house that they bought for a price they could never hope to work long enough to pay off, they can retire, with their super funds having taken a massive hit all those years back from which it could never be hoped it would recover, and they can hope to sell the place for whatever they still owe the bank plus about fifty bucks more, and hit the streets, because by then governments will have found a way out of the pension business.
Decades later there won’t be a big enough working population for a pension anyway plus also suspect governments may pilfer super money (higher taxes etc) in 30 years time so may as well burn it now and live in a hovel somewhere rather than rent.
True, in 130 years probably everyone alive now will probably be dead so why wait might as well start murdering them tonight¡
Don’t you have Covid thread to wail and froth about in?
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:Decades later there won’t be a big enough working population for a pension anyway plus also suspect governments may pilfer super money (higher taxes etc) in 30 years time so may as well burn it now and live in a hovel somewhere rather than rent.
True, in 130 years probably everyone alive now will probably be dead so why wait might as well start murdering them tonight¡
Don’t you have Covid thread to wail and froth about in?
maybe he just likes to respond to your wail and froth. everyone needs a hobby after all.
Honest Government Ad | 1 Week Left!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imuTUxBu-kQ
Bogsnorkler said:
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:True, in 130 years probably everyone alive now will probably be dead so why wait might as well start murdering them tonight¡
Don’t you have Covid thread to wail and froth about in?
maybe he just likes to respond to your wail and froth. everyone needs a hobby after all.
One post hardly constitutes wail and froth but each to their own eh.
sibeen said:
The Prime Minister has used the Liberal Party’s campaign launch to announce a plan to allow first home buyers to use their superannuation to purchase a property.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/coalition-election-campaign-launch-super-home-buyer-scheme/101068460
Pump priming the property market is exactly what this country needs at the moment.
I am agreeing with sibeen again. Almost as bad as agreeing with droppy, although that doesn’t happen these days.
It’s Not a Race
Satire Page
· 14 mins ·
Oh dear. Someone forgot to put a Liberal Party logo on Dave Sharma MP’s posters.
Luckily Scott Morrison (ScoMo) was on hand to make sure every one knows he and Dave are ‘as one’, on all things.
Print your own Scomo:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1671YOnQtAAD0hxicwmrqUrygw1Ax3vtM/view?fbclid=IwAR2Hu0UEEntOJoRS5xb27S52_Ou7ARTUCdyiOWvOIYuwveDDSrisDECnAfI
party_pants said:
What can be done about it?
I don’t know.
This is the harvest that was sown by governments of both sides since at least the 1960s.
The last time anyone talked about any model of living in Australia other than the one which is currently on the verge of collapse was in the early 1970s, when the word ‘decentralisation’ was occasionally thrown about.
However, that would have taken massive government investment in infrastructure, and in incentives for industries and citizens alike to move to expanded regional areas, or even developing new cities, as part of a long-term, long-haul plan to more evenly distribute population, opportunities, and capabilities around the country.
None were willing to put in the work on something that might benefit the country beyond the next election, maybe two elections. None were willing to even begin to calculate the expense.
Better, and far less trouble, to leave it as it was, a few capital cities spreading like stains across their own environs, ever-expanding suburbs all with their focus still on the ever-increasingly-distant CBD and the river or harbour on which it sat.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:What can be done about it?
I don’t know.
This is the harvest that was sown by governments of both sides since at least the 1960s.
The last time anyone talked about any model of living in Australia other than the one which is currently on the verge of collapse was in the early 1970s, when the word ‘decentralisation’ was occasionally thrown about.
However, that would have taken massive government investment in infrastructure, and in incentives for industries and citizens alike to move to expanded regional areas, or even developing new cities, as part of a long-term, long-haul plan to more evenly distribute population, opportunities, and capabilities around the country.
None were willing to put in the work on something that might benefit the country beyond the next election, maybe two elections. None were willing to even begin to calculate the expense.
Better, and far less trouble, to leave it as it was, a few capital cities spreading like stains across their own environs, ever-expanding suburbs all with their focus still on the ever-increasingly-distant CBD and the river or harbour on which it sat.
Yes. I don’t think the answer is going to come from politicians.
sarahs mum said:
It’s Not a Race
Satire Page · 14 mins ·
Oh dear. Someone forgot to put a Liberal Party logo on Dave Sharma MP’s posters.
Luckily Scott Morrison (ScoMo) was on hand to make sure every one knows he and Dave are ‘as one’, on all things.Print your own Scomo:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1671YOnQtAAD0hxicwmrqUrygw1Ax3vtM/view?fbclid=IwAR2Hu0UEEntOJoRS5xb27S52_Ou7ARTUCdyiOWvOIYuwveDDSrisDECnAfI
No thanks. I really don’t want to print pictures of the scummo.
poikilotherm said:
Bogsnorkler said:
poikilotherm said:
Don’t you have Covid thread to wail and froth about in?
maybe he just likes to respond to your wail and froth. everyone needs a hobby after all.
One post hardly constitutes wail and froth but each to their own eh.
they complain that agreeing with them is whale and frottage, there’s just no pleasing some Corrupts is there
OMG, I just watch Albo on Insiders…. He is just so bumbly.. it kills me how bad he is with the details.
diddly-squat said:
OMG, I just watch Albo on Insiders…. He is just so bumbly.. it kills me how bad he is with the details.
Thing is, he isn’t calling a lie a miracle.
Just finished filling out the voting forms. For the first (and hopefully only) time in my life I’ve put the ALP at the top of the house of reps form. LNP last, of course.
Senate was more complex but I voted below the line as it drastically reduces the chances of parties I don’t like (and there’s a lot of them) getting any votes.
Spiny Norman said:
Just finished filling out the voting forms. For the first (and hopefully only) time in my life I’ve put the ALP at the top of the house of reps form. LNP last, of course.
Senate was more complex but I voted below the line as it drastically reduces the chances of parties I don’t like (and there’s a lot of them) getting any votes.
I found the senate ticket quite tricky this year… probably going to be as, if not more, influential on the ability of parliament to pass legislation.
diddly-squat said:
Spiny Norman said:
Just finished filling out the voting forms. For the first (and hopefully only) time in my life I’ve put the ALP at the top of the house of reps form. LNP last, of course.
Senate was more complex but I voted below the line as it drastically reduces the chances of parties I don’t like (and there’s a lot of them) getting any votes.
I found the senate ticket quite tricky this year… probably going to be as, if not more, influential on the ability of parliament to pass legislation.
It is important to be able to pass legislation.
Frydenberg and other moderates in once-safe seats in traditional Liberal heartland could be out of jobs in a week.
They won’t have lost them to a Labor opposition but to the so-called teal independents, women who are socially progressive, economically conservative, pro-climate and pro-integrity.
The Liberal Party likes to call itself a broad church but that claim is weakening by the day.
That many of the teal candidates aren’t running as Liberals (despite in some cases being former members) is a sign of how conservative and male the party has become.
They should be Liberals but the party has left them behind in its push to the right.
Morrison has played a major role in driving the moderates out of his party.
If nothing changes, in just under a week they might return the favour and drive him out of office.
roughbarked said:
Frydenberg and other moderates in once-safe seats in traditional Liberal heartland could be out of jobs in a week.They won’t have lost them to a Labor opposition but to the so-called teal independents, women who are socially progressive, economically conservative, pro-climate and pro-integrity.
The Liberal Party likes to call itself a broad church but that claim is weakening by the day.
That many of the teal candidates aren’t running as Liberals (despite in some cases being former members) is a sign of how conservative and male the party has become.
They should be Liberals but the party has left them behind in its push to the right.
Morrison has played a major role in driving the moderates out of his party.
If nothing changes, in just under a week they might return the favour and drive him out of office.
By political correspondent Brett Worthington
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
OMG, I just watch Albo on Insiders…. He is just so bumbly.. it kills me how bad he is with the details.
Thing is, he isn’t calling a lie a miracle.
It’s just that he speaks sooo poorly.. every second word is either “um” or “ah” and his grasp of the facts is terrible.. talking about a wage increase and he says “the lowest paid workers in Australia deserve a $1/week pay increase”…
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
OMG, I just watch Albo on Insiders…. He is just so bumbly.. it kills me how bad he is with the details.
Thing is, he isn’t calling a lie a miracle.
It’s just that he speaks sooo poorly.. every second word is either “um” or “ah” and his grasp of the facts is terrible.. talking about a wage increase and he says “the lowest paid workers in Australia deserve a $1/week pay increase”…
He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:Thing is, he isn’t calling a lie a miracle.
It’s just that he speaks sooo poorly.. every second word is either “um” or “ah” and his grasp of the facts is terrible.. talking about a wage increase and he says “the lowest paid workers in Australia deserve a $1/week pay increase”…
He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
The PM needs to be articulate in how they communicate, and articulate is not a word I’d use to describe Albo.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:It’s just that he speaks sooo poorly.. every second word is either “um” or “ah” and his grasp of the facts is terrible.. talking about a wage increase and he says “the lowest paid workers in Australia deserve a $1/week pay increase”…
He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
The PM needs to be articulate in how they communicate, and articulate is not a word I’d use to describe Albo.
He can be articulate in interviews with political reporters, one on one like but he falls down on the public platform.
However, if Scomo can stop being a bulldozer kin order to be re-elected, maybe Albo can be trained in public speaking?
roughbarked said:
He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
Penny Wong would be leading the part right now, were it not for the fact that:
1 (as has been pointed out by several here) she’s in the Senate
2 the ALP can’t be arsed to engineer her transition to the House of Reps
3 she’s not a man, and the ALP has learnt that neither the Parliament nor the country are yet mature enough to deal with the idea of a female PM. Which is possibly why they can’t be arsed about a HoR transition.
sleepy like Joe or is shit talk more important than content
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
Penny Wong would be leading the part right now, were it not for the fact that:
1 (as has been pointed out by several here) she’s in the Senate
2 the ALP can’t be arsed to engineer her transition to the House of Reps
3 she’s not a man, and the ALP has learnt that neither the Parliament nor the country are yet mature enough to deal with the idea of a female PM. Which is possibly why they can’t be arsed about a HoR transition.
She also does not seem keen for the job.
Did i just use ‘neither’ and ‘nor’ in the same sentence?
Oh, woe, i fear that i’m inebriated!
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
Penny Wong would be leading the part right now, were it not for the fact that:
1 (as has been pointed out by several here) she’s in the Senate
2 the ALP can’t be arsed to engineer her transition to the House of Reps
3 she’s not a man, and the ALP has learnt that neither the Parliament nor the country are yet mature enough to deal with the idea of a female PM. Which is possibly why they can’t be arsed about a HoR transition.
She also does not seem keen for the job.
Rule 1 of Survival: don’t make yourself a target. If you haven’t been hit, it’s because you haven’t been seen.
captain_spalding said:
Did i just use ‘neither’ and ‘nor’ in the same sentence?Oh, woe, i fear that i’m inebriated!
It is quite conventional to use neither and nor in the same sentence.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He isn’t a performer on camera. He must have something going for him though or the party would have been replacing hhim with more charisma, surely?
Penny Wong would be leading the part right now, were it not for the fact that:
1 (as has been pointed out by several here) she’s in the Senate
2 the ALP can’t be arsed to engineer her transition to the House of Reps
3 she’s not a man, and the ALP has learnt that neither the Parliament nor the country are yet mature enough to deal with the idea of a female PM. Which is possibly why they can’t be arsed about a HoR transition.
She is such a hard working senator though. She does play an immensely important role in her work.
But, if they wanted to, i’m sure they could push her into the job.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Did i just use ‘neither’ and ‘nor’ in the same sentence?Oh, woe, i fear that i’m inebriated!
It is quite conventional to use neither and nor in the same sentence.
Grey area/fuzzy.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Did i just use ‘neither’ and ‘nor’ in the same sentence?Oh, woe, i fear that i’m inebriated!
It is quite conventional to use neither and nor in the same sentence.
Grey area/fuzzy.
That latter comment is relative to inebriation.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:It is quite conventional to use neither and nor in the same sentence.
Grey area/fuzzy.
That latter comment is relative to inebriation.
Can’t see. Vision blurry. Hits taken all over. Tail rotor out. I’m going in…
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Grey area/fuzzy.
That latter comment is relative to inebriation.
Can’t see. Vision blurry. Hits taken all over. Tail rotor out. I’m going in…
Have you got your parachute on?
It seems to me that they don’t put the deputy on public relations work much.
roughbarked said:
Have you got your parachute on?
Somewhere on the internet there’s film of experiments in fitting ejection seats to CH-53 helicopters.
The deal was that when the crew pulled the ejection grabs, explosives would first blow off the rotor blades, and the firing of the seats would happen very quickly afterwards.
It looks like it would have been a very scary proposition indeed.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Have you got your parachute on?
Somewhere on the internet there’s film of experiments in fitting ejection seats to CH-53 helicopters.
The deal was that when the crew pulled the ejection grabs, explosives would first blow off the rotor blades, and the firing of the seats would happen very quickly afterwards.
It looks like it would have been a very scary proposition indeed.
Getting out of many planes would be full of drama, I’d expect. They had a few errors with ejector seats.
roughbarked said:
Getting out of many planes would be full of drama, I’d expect. They had a few errors with ejector seats.
Ejector seats are rockets that are always just on the edge of going off.
The facts are that:
only a very few people indeed eject without suffering a serious injury
most people can stand/survive one ejection
some have survived two ejections
no-one is known to have survived (the most unlikely event of) three ejections.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Getting out of many planes would be full of drama, I’d expect. They had a few errors with ejector seats.
Ejector seats are rockets that are always just on the edge of going off.
The facts are that:
only a very few people indeed eject without suffering a serious injury
most people can stand/survive one ejection
some have survived two ejections
no-one is known to have survived (the most unlikely event of) three ejections.
Makes bunjy jumping souund very safe.
roughbarked said:
Makes bunjy jumping sound very safe.
No-one rides the rocket except in fear for their life.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Getting out of many planes would be full of drama, I’d expect. They had a few errors with ejector seats.
Ejector seats are rockets that are always just on the edge of going off.
The facts are that:
only a very few people indeed eject without suffering a serious injury
most people can stand/survive one ejection
some have survived two ejections
no-one is known to have survived (the most unlikely event of) three ejections.
There was a story going around of a very tall TV reporter being taken for a demonstration flight in a 2-seater fighter aircraft. After he was strapped in the ground crew popped in with a tape measure and measured the distance between his knees and control panel in front. They discussed amongst themselves and gave the thumbs up.
The flight went well and he was landed safely. Just as he was about to leave he asked what the tape measure was all about. They told him that in the event of needing to eject he would have lost his kneecaps and most likely all his lower legs. But the the PR value of his flight was more important than that slight risk.
The story is attributed by some to Tim May of Top Gear fame, but it is also repeated with other personalities going further back.
party_pants said:
The story is attributed by some to Tim May of Top Gear fame, but it is also repeated with other personalities going further back.
There are, indeed, actual limitations on the physical size of fighter pilots.
They can be neither too big, or too small.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Getting out of many planes would be full of drama, I’d expect. They had a few errors with ejector seats.
Ejector seats are rockets that are always just on the edge of going off.
The facts are that:
only a very few people indeed eject without suffering a serious injury
most people can stand/survive one ejection
some have survived two ejections
no-one is known to have survived (the most unlikely event of) three ejections.
There was a story going around of a very tall TV reporter being taken for a demonstration flight in a 2-seater fighter aircraft. After he was strapped in the ground crew popped in with a tape measure and measured the distance between his knees and control panel in front. They discussed amongst themselves and gave the thumbs up.
The flight went well and he was landed safely. Just as he was about to leave he asked what the tape measure was all about. They told him that in the event of needing to eject he would have lost his kneecaps and most likely all his lower legs. But the the PR value of his flight was more important than that slight risk.
The story is attributed by some to Tim May of Top Gear fame, but it is also repeated with other personalities going further back.
Wonder if they had to pick up his jaw from the floor after hearing that?
roughbarked said:
Wonder if they had to pick up his jaw from the floor after hearing that?
Before i first flew in one, i had training on the ejector seat.
Is it dangerous?, i asked.
‘Too bloody right it is.’
Am i likely to be injured?
‘Pretty much guaranteed.’
What can i do to minimise the risks?
‘You religious?’
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Wonder if they had to pick up his jaw from the floor after hearing that?
Before i first flew in one, i had training on the ejector seat.
Is it dangerous?, i asked.
‘Too bloody right it is.’
Am i likely to be injured?
‘Pretty much guaranteed.’
What can i do to minimise the risks?
‘You religious?’
I couldn’t remember the words to hail mary if I needed to.
The problem with Scomo being so polished is that he can make any old bullshit sound convincing and when it comes to pass that it is found to be bullshit the electorate has duly decided that he is an inveterate liar.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The problem with Scomo being so polished is that he can make any old bullshit sound convincing and when it comes to pass that it is found to be bullshit the electorate has duly decided that he is an inveterate liar.
Will they come back to bite him though, these miraculous lies?
I’ve just filled in my voting papers, and it’s depressing that there isn’t really someone good to vote for.
I start from the worst and work back from there.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The problem with Scomo being so polished is that he can make any old bullshit sound convincing and when it comes to pass that it is found to be bullshit the electorate has duly decided that he is an inveterate liar.
an invertebrate liar.
Kingy said:
I’ve just filled in my voting papers, and it’s depressing that there isn’t really someone good to vote for.I start from the worst and work back from there.
That’s what I was planning on doing.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The problem with Scomo being so polished is that he can make any old bullshit sound convincing and when it comes to pass that it is found to be bullshit the electorate has duly decided that he is an inveterate liar.
an invertebrate liar.
You reckon he has a backbone then?
Kingy said:
I’ve just filled in my voting papers, and it’s depressing that there isn’t really someone good to vote for.I start from the worst and work back from there.
There are so many on my local ballot paper competing for last place, that the top two or three is almost by default, if I start from last.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The problem with Scomo being so polished is that he can make any old bullshit sound convincing and when it comes to pass that it is found to be bullshit the electorate has duly decided that he is an inveterate liar.
Yes, exactly that. Someone who can just spout utter garbage confidently sounds better than someone who has to think about truthful responses. That is how scotty from marketing got the job in the first place.
Sadly I spoke to a lovely older Australian today, and she was told by the tv that Albo is a muslim, so she won’t vote for him. I asked if she believed what she heard on the tv and she said yes, of course. If it wasn’t true, they wouldn’t say it. This is where the lairs like scummo get votes from.
Kingy said:
I’ve just filled in my voting papers, and it’s depressing that there isn’t really someone good to vote for.I start from the worst and work back from there.
I wish I had a Wilkie.
Kingy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The problem with Scomo being so polished is that he can make any old bullshit sound convincing and when it comes to pass that it is found to be bullshit the electorate has duly decided that he is an inveterate liar.
Yes, exactly that. Someone who can just spout utter garbage confidently sounds better than someone who has to think about truthful responses. That is how scotty from marketing got the job in the first place.
Sadly I spoke to a lovely older Australian today, and she was told by the tv that Albo is a muslim, so she won’t vote for him. I asked if she believed what she heard on the tv and she said yes, of course. If it wasn’t true, they wouldn’t say it. This is where the lairs like scummo get votes from.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/fact-check-josh-frydenberg-emissions-new-zealand-canada-oecd/101025814
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/fact-check-josh-frydenberg-emissions-new-zealand-canada-oecd/101025814
Yeah
Also, Mr buffy has just pointed out that the “use your super for your first house” thing has to pay back to your super what you took out plus capital gains when you sell the house. But there is no capital gains tax on a primary residence.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/fact-check-josh-frydenberg-emissions-new-zealand-canada-oecd/101025814
Dodgy.
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/fact-check-josh-frydenberg-emissions-new-zealand-canada-oecd/101025814
Yeah
And even if it was all true, surely if we have succeeded in reducing our emissions much more than anybody else, whilst at the same time maintaining a strong economy, surely that is a good reason to increase our future targets, not reduce them.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/fact-check-josh-frydenberg-emissions-new-zealand-canada-oecd/101025814
Yeah
And even if it was all true, surely if we have succeeded in reducing our emissions much more than anybody else, whilst at the same time maintaining a strong economy, surely that is a good reason to increase our future targets, not reduce them.
I still want to see Josh gone.
Dammit, I wanted to put someone in #8!
Spiny Norman said:
Dammit, I wanted to put someone in #8!
Obviously they don’t like whoever #8 is.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Dammit, I wanted to put someone in #8!
Obviously they don’t like whoever #8 is.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Dammit, I wanted to put someone in #8!
Obviously they don’t like whoever #8 is.
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Obviously they don’t like whoever #8 is.
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
So if the ON supporters in Hawke just follow the recommendations exactly, does that make the vote invalid, or does it only become invalid when redistributions get to No. 8?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
So if the ON supporters in Hawke just follow the recommendations exactly, does that make the vote invalid, or does it only become invalid when redistributions get to No. 8?
I believe it’d be invalid.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
So if the ON supporters in Hawke just follow the recommendations exactly, does that make the vote invalid, or does it only become invalid when redistributions get to No. 8?
The vote counters robably won’t bother fixing any that don’t have the correct numbers. I think we can rest assured that ON voters will believe that there are two places for #10.
Overlook the AEC typo
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Obviously they don’t like whoever #8 is.
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
This may sound shocking but I think maybe ON is just a means of garnering electoral funding. A lot of their candidates have zero profile, don’t have the right picture on their HTV docket, arent campaigning and can’t be contacted. Perhaps Pauline just said to them “run, don’t do anything, if you get 4% of the vote we get paid and we’ll split it with you”.
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
“Put 1 next to … then number every box” doesn’t seem that confusing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
“Put 1 next to … then number every box” doesn’t seem that confusing.
Quite
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
“Put 1 next to … then number every box” doesn’t seem that confusing.
You could end up putting a 1 in every box…I suppose, or maybe a 2.
Spiny Norman said:
Dammit, I wanted to put someone in #8!
LOL
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
This may sound shocking but I think maybe ON is just a means of garnering electoral funding. A lot of their candidates have zero profile, don’t have the right picture on their HTV docket, arent campaigning and can’t be contacted. Perhaps Pauline just said to them “run, don’t do anything, if you get 4% of the vote we get paid and we’ll split it with you”.
Damn.
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
They’d get soup for lunch and then put out in the sun.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
You must tick every box.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
Helpful summary of how preferential voting actually works
In summary, if you make your own decision about the order of your preferences, the party preferences make no difference at all.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
No, you don’t have to suggest how people vote. One of our independents is quite specifically has said he thinks people are intelligent enough to work out their own preferences and he won’t be offering suggestions.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
Helpful summary of how preferential voting actually works
In summary, if you make your own decision about the order of your preferences, the party preferences make no difference at all.
Why do people not understand this? Preference deals that candidates make have never played any part at all in where my vote goes.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
You must tick every box.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Do preferences have to be allocated ?
What if you are an independent and think all others are not worthy can the votes you receive just stop with you.
I’d assume no but who knows
Helpful summary of how preferential voting actually works
In summary, if you make your own decision about the order of your preferences, the party preferences make no difference at all.
Why do people not understand this? Preference deals that candidates make have never played any part at all in where my vote goes.
Probably because the meeja go on and on about preference deals, as if they made a difference to vote allocation even if people put a different order on their voting papers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Helpful summary of how preferential voting actually works
In summary, if you make your own decision about the order of your preferences, the party preferences make no difference at all.
Why do people not understand this? Preference deals that candidates make have never played any part at all in where my vote goes.
Probably because the meeja go on and on about preference deals, as if they made a difference to vote allocation even if people put a different order on their voting papers.
What I mean is do the candidates have to make a preference deal
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:Why do people not understand this? Preference deals that candidates make have never played any part at all in where my vote goes.
Probably because the meeja go on and on about preference deals, as if they made a difference to vote allocation even if people put a different order on their voting papers.
What I mean is do the candidates have to make a preference deal
No.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Helpful summary of how preferential voting actually works
In summary, if you make your own decision about the order of your preferences, the party preferences make no difference at all.
Why do people not understand this? Preference deals that candidates make have never played any part at all in where my vote goes.
Probably because the meeja go on and on about preference deals, as if they made a difference to vote allocation even if people put a different order on their voting papers.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Probably because the meeja go on and on about preference deals, as if they made a difference to vote allocation even if people put a different order on their voting papers.
What I mean is do the candidates have to make a preference deal
No.
OK
I’d think that as an independent you’d likely not what to preference others by the nature of running as an independent
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
This may sound shocking but I think maybe ON is just a means of garnering electoral funding. A lot of their candidates have zero profile, don’t have the right picture on their HTV docket, arent campaigning and can’t be contacted. Perhaps Pauline just said to them “run, don’t do anything, if you get 4% of the vote we get paid and we’ll split it with you”.
So all of her anti-immigration, white-pride, anti-Muslim rhetoric is just a front for this scam?
Ian said:
So all of her anti-immigration, white-pride, anti-Muslim rhetoric is just a front for this scam?
Now you’re getting it.
She might have been in earnest about some of it twenty years ago, but then she realised that she was on to an earner that didn’t require you to actually produce anything in return.
So now the rhetoric is just for, as Joh Bjelke-Petersen put it, ‘feeding the chooks’.
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:So all of her anti-immigration, white-pride, anti-Muslim rhetoric is just a front for this scam?
Now you’re getting it.
She might have been in earnest about some of it twenty years ago, but then she realised that she was on to an earner that didn’t require you to actually produce anything in return.
So now the rhetoric is just for, as Joh Bjelke-Petersen put it, ‘feeding the chooks’.
Yes. But Joh’s ‘chooks’ were journalists not voters.
Just sayin’ hey what but.
They’ve opened a pre-polling place downstairs from where I’m working.
It’s packed, with socially distance queues out the door.
One thing, though. The demographic voting is 100% retirees, pensioners, elderly. Nobody under 60. At all.
Why would this be so?
Woodie said:
Just sayin’ hey what but.They’ve opened a pre-polling place downstairs from where I’m working.
It’s packed, with socially distance queues out the door.
One thing, though. The demographic voting is 100% retirees, pensioners, elderly. Nobody under 60. At all.
Why would this be so?
To avoid standing for possibly long periods on Saturday I’d suggest.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Woodie said:
Just sayin’ hey what but.They’ve opened a pre-polling place downstairs from where I’m working.
It’s packed, with socially distance queues out the door.
One thing, though. The demographic voting is 100% retirees, pensioners, elderly. Nobody under 60. At all.
Why would this be so?
To avoid standing for possibly long periods on Saturday I’d suggest.
And not wanting to get covid.
coz I’m pre…pre polling.
I’m just about to go to a local pre-polling place. I want to pick up the How to Vote lists from all the candidates – or as many I can get.
Apart from the major parties standing in my electorate, I have no idea who the various other minor parties are, and what they want, and I’d like to know who, as well as Hanson and Fatso (thank you to whoever coined that expression. It’s glorious!) I’ll be preferencing towards my last choices.
AussieDJ said:
I’m just about to go to a local pre-polling place. I want to pick up the How to Vote lists from all the candidates – or as many I can get.Apart from the major parties standing in my electorate, I have no idea who the various other minor parties are, and what they want, and I’d like to know who, as well as Hanson and Fatso (thank you to whoever coined that expression. It’s glorious!) I’ll be preferencing towards my last choices.
AussieDJ said:
I’m just about to go to a local pre-polling place. I want to pick up the How to Vote lists from all the candidates – or as many I can get.Apart from the major parties standing in my electorate, I have no idea who the various other minor parties are, and what they want, and I’d like to know who, as well as Hanson and Fatso (thank you to whoever coined that expression. It’s glorious!) I’ll be preferencing towards my last choices.
It was I who coined the Hanson & fatso meme.
sibeen said:
AussieDJ said:
I’m just about to go to a local pre-polling place. I want to pick up the How to Vote lists from all the candidates – or as many I can get.Apart from the major parties standing in my electorate, I have no idea who the various other minor parties are, and what they want, and I’d like to know who, as well as Hanson and Fatso (thank you to whoever coined that expression. It’s glorious!) I’ll be preferencing towards my last choices.
It was I who coined the Hanson & fatso meme.
Thank you! It’s been disseminated far and wide now – well, at least amongst my circle of friends and acquaintances.
Good one!
sibeen said:
AussieDJ said:
I’m just about to go to a local pre-polling place. I want to pick up the How to Vote lists from all the candidates – or as many I can get.Apart from the major parties standing in my electorate, I have no idea who the various other minor parties are, and what they want, and I’d like to know who, as well as Hanson and Fatso (thank you to whoever coined that expression. It’s glorious!) I’ll be preferencing towards my last choices.
It was I who coined the Hanson & fatso meme.
Who is fatso?
Tau.Neutrino said:
sibeen said:
AussieDJ said:
I’m just about to go to a local pre-polling place. I want to pick up the How to Vote lists from all the candidates – or as many I can get.Apart from the major parties standing in my electorate, I have no idea who the various other minor parties are, and what they want, and I’d like to know who, as well as Hanson and Fatso (thank you to whoever coined that expression. It’s glorious!) I’ll be preferencing towards my last choices.
It was I who coined the Hanson & fatso meme.
Who is fatso?
Clive Palmer.
sibeen said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sibeen said:It was I who coined the Hanson & fatso meme.
Who is fatso?
Clive Palmer.
He’s the new Baron Harkonnen
Is there a sadder unrequited love story than ABC journos and Morrison? He won’t even give them the time of day.
dv said:
Is there a sadder unrequited love story than ABC journos and Morrison? He won’t even give them the time of day.
They are doing a movie Liberal in name, not in love
dv said:
Is there a sadder unrequited love story than ABC journos and Morrison? He won’t even give them the time of day.
Is it okay if I use you as an example of a lefty who thinks the ABC is too right-wing when PWM starts frothing at the mouth about our national broadcaster?
sarahs mum said:
coz I’m pre…pre polling.
She’s a good girl, loves Macnamara
Loves Isaacs, and Jagajaga too
AussieDJ said:
LOL
Bob Katter is someone who has managed to reflect and engrave all his hatred onto his face.
Hatred for gays, women and immigrants permanently written and displayed on his face.
Bob the hater.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Overlook the AEC typo
Makes one wonder. eg: a friend said he was going to protest vote by putting independents before any party. I said but do you know which independent is sending preferences where?
What would happen if most votes ended up invalid?
Independents and parties can’t send preferences anywhere, in either house. The only preferences that count are the ones that voters write on their cards.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
coz I’m pre…pre polling.She’s a good girl, loves Macnamara
Loves Isaacs, and Jagajaga too
ta. :)
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Is there a sadder unrequited love story than ABC journos and Morrison? He won’t even give them the time of day.
Is it okay if I use you as an example of a lefty who thinks the ABC is too right-wing when PWM starts frothing at the mouth about our national broadcaster?
Please, please do.
Tau.Neutrino said:
AussieDJ said:
LOLBob Katter is someone who has managed to reflect and engrave all his hatred onto his face.
Hatred for gays, women and immigrants permanently written and displayed on his face.
Bob the hater.
Poster boy for the No campaign made him a human rights abuser.
His is so stupid he doesn’t even know he is a human rights abuser.
A human rights criminal Bob is.
AussieDJ said:
LOL
5. Pauline Hanson
forgets her own birthday
blames volcanoes for climate change.
claims Islamic terrorism is the only kind of terrorism that’s been in Australia.
insists on saying Islam is a “so-called religion”.
Insists we are a christian community
She says we’re being ‘swamped with Asians.’
She wants us all to know she’s definitely not racist.
Twitter post from Saul Eslake, who (from his profile) is an: ‘Independent economist, speaker, company director and Vice-Chancellor’s Fellow at the University of Tasmania.’
I wasn’t aware of this quote from Mathias Cormann in 2014 – he was Finance Minister back then, now he is the boss of the OECD, one of the bastions of economic orthodoxy. And on this, he is absolutely right!
Preference deals used to matter in the Senate because of Group Ticket Voting, but that was abolished in 2014 after some hilarious results in the 2013 election.
WA has now abolished GTV too. I think South Australia is the only state to use GTV now.
dv said:
Preference deals used to matter in the Senate because of Group Ticket Voting, but that was abolished in 2014 after some hilarious results in the 2013 election.WA has now abolished GTV too. I think South Australia is the only state to use GTV now.
HEY! Ricky Muir got into the senate because of Group Ticket Voting.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Preference deals used to matter in the Senate because of Group Ticket Voting, but that was abolished in 2014 after some hilarious results in the 2013 election.WA has now abolished GTV too. I think South Australia is the only state to use GTV now.
HEY! Ricky Muir got into the senate because of Group Ticket Voting.
Exhibit A…
I’m sure he’s a lovely man.
dv said:
Preference deals used to matter in the Senate because of Group Ticket Voting, but that was abolished in 2014 after some hilarious results in the 2013 election.
Is that when Ricky Muir got in?
He turned out to be quite a capable politician in the end.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Preference deals used to matter in the Senate because of Group Ticket Voting, but that was abolished in 2014 after some hilarious results in the 2013 election.WA has now abolished GTV too. I think South Australia is the only state to use GTV now.
HEY! Ricky Muir got into the senate because of Group Ticket Voting.
Exhibit A…
I’m sure he’s a lovely man.
He stumbled at the start, but learned the game quickly. His exit speech was memorable.
dv said:
Is there a sadder unrequited love story than ABC journos and Morrison? He won’t even give them the time of day.
His cosy relationship with the commercial networks depends on the mood of a couple of billionaires. If one or more of them should decide that he’s not suiting their purposes, he’d be very much out in the cold, just like that.
He can snub the ABC because he knows they can’t behave like that to him.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Is there a sadder unrequited love story than ABC journos and Morrison? He won’t even give them the time of day.
His cosy relationship with the commercial networks depends on the mood of a couple of billionaires. If one or more of them should decide that he’s not suiting their purposes, he’d be very much out in the cold, just like that.
He can snub the ABC because he knows they can’t behave like that to him.
Murdoch “Morrison, you’re my jiggly wiggly bitch”
Morrison “OK, but my religion doesn’t like that sort of thing”
Murdoch “I AM YOUR GOD!”
Tau.Neutrino said:
AussieDJ said:
LOL5. Pauline Hanson
forgets her own birthday
blames volcanoes for climate change.
claims Islamic terrorism is the only kind of terrorism that’s been in Australia.
insists on saying Islam is a “so-called religion”.
Insists we are a christian community
She says we’re being ‘swamped with Asians.’
She wants us all to know she’s definitely not racist.
Sound bites for headlines. No such thing as bad publicity.
Whistle to the looney fringe. Take their party member fees, their donations, take the election funding.
A political party that’s a business in itself.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
sibeen said:HEY! Ricky Muir got into the senate because of Group Ticket Voting.
Exhibit A…
I’m sure he’s a lovely man.
He stumbled at the start, but learned the game quickly. His exit speech was memorable.
I put him at the top of the ticket at the election he got voted out on. I think Buffy may have done as well.
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
AussieDJ said:
LOL5. Pauline Hanson
forgets her own birthday
blames volcanoes for climate change.
claims Islamic terrorism is the only kind of terrorism that’s been in Australia.
insists on saying Islam is a “so-called religion”.
Insists we are a christian community
She says we’re being ‘swamped with Asians.’
She wants us all to know she’s definitely not racist.
Sound bites for headlines. No such thing as bad publicity.
Whistle to the looney fringe. Take their party member fees, their donations, take the election funding.
A political party that’s a business in itself.
An morally devoid business, we want your money party then wastes tax payers money by being political trolls.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
I expect they realised people don’t like the idea – plus it’s a govt policy so it’s easy to shit-can
I mean they are, after all, pretty god damn awful things..
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
I expect they realised people don’t like the idea – plus it’s a govt policy so it’s easy to shit-can
I mean they are, after all, pretty god damn awful things..
Its good they rang the dung collector.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:5. Pauline Hanson
forgets her own birthday
blames volcanoes for climate change.
claims Islamic terrorism is the only kind of terrorism that’s been in Australia.
insists on saying Islam is a “so-called religion”.
Insists we are a christian community
She says we’re being ‘swamped with Asians.’
She wants us all to know she’s definitely not racist.
Sound bites for headlines. No such thing as bad publicity.
Whistle to the looney fringe. Take their party member fees, their donations, take the election funding.
A political party that’s a business in itself.
An morally devoid business, we want your money party then wastes tax payers money by being political trolls.
in fairness.. I don’t think that the existence of One Nation is a bad thing in-of-itself… it’s important we include the nutter fringe in the debate, as it helps focus in on where the
fringe actually is and it also help the main parties largely centrist
sarahs mum said:
Good!
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
They voted against the last lot of roll outs. Some words were changed and deals done to get it through the senate at 2am. Also the govt is still holding onto all results of inquiries and the reports into.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Sound bites for headlines. No such thing as bad publicity.
Whistle to the looney fringe. Take their party member fees, their donations, take the election funding.
A political party that’s a business in itself.
An morally devoid business, we want your money party then wastes tax payers money by being political trolls.
in fairness.. I don’t think that the existence of One Nation is a bad thing in-of-itself… it’s important we include the nutter fringe in the debate, as it helps focus in on where the
fringe actually is and it also help the main parties largely centrist
The problem with that is it legitimises such attitudes and policies (ref: the LNP adopting a lot of ON’s policies) as well as giving the more major parties the option of lowering the bar a couple of pegs and still be the better option.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Preference deals used to matter in the Senate because of Group Ticket Voting, but that was abolished in 2014 after some hilarious results in the 2013 election.Is that when Ricky Muir got in?
He turned out to be quite a capable politician in the end.
Muir wasn’t the worst of it. He at least got 0.5% of the vote.
Dropulich of the Sports party was elected on 0.02% of the vote, about 3000 votes. He spent 3 months as senator elect but eventually a fresh election was run in WA because a box of ballots was lost, and he didn’t get re elected.
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
They voted against the last lot of roll outs. Some words were changed and deals done to get it through the senate at 2am. Also the govt is still holding onto all results of inquiries and the reports into.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Labor opposed the introduction of the card in the first place but were happy enough to not do anything when they were last in power.
I recall Labor did that with a lot of things the Libs introduced. (Such as a lot of the surveillance and removal of rights to privacy). They get the benefits of enjoying the benefits of such policies while simultaneously bagging out the Libs for introducing them in the first place.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
It began in 2016. They were never in power while the card was in use.
I cannot find the Victorian senate ballot paper 2022 on-line. Bloody annoying.
dv said:
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
It began in 2016. They were never in power while the card was in use.
:/
Consider me corrected.
sibeen said:
I cannot find the Victorian senate ballot paper 2022 on-line. Bloody annoying.
Belay that – I found an image.
Dark Orange said:
dv said:
Dark Orange said:They were happy enough with it when they were last in power. I wonder what changed?
It began in 2016. They were never in power while the card was in use.
:/
Consider me corrected.
Some confusion with the basics card?
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Sound bites for headlines. No such thing as bad publicity.
Whistle to the looney fringe. Take their party member fees, their donations, take the election funding.
A political party that’s a business in itself.
An morally devoid business, we want your money party then wastes tax payers money by being political trolls.
in fairness.. I don’t think that the existence of One Nation is a bad thing in-of-itself… it’s important we include the nutter fringe in the debate, as it helps focus in on where the
fringe actually is and it also help the main parties largely centrist
Having a headquarters it could always be nuked
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Sound bites for headlines. No such thing as bad publicity.
Whistle to the looney fringe. Take their party member fees, their donations, take the election funding.
A political party that’s a business in itself.
An morally devoid business, we want your money party then wastes tax payers money by being political trolls.
in fairness.. I don’t think that the existence of One Nation is a bad thing in-of-itself… it’s important we include the nutter fringe in the debate, as it helps focus in on where the
fringe actually is and it also help the main parties largely centrist
Having a headquarters it could always be nuked
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:An morally devoid business, we want your money party then wastes tax payers money by being political trolls.
in fairness.. I don’t think that the existence of One Nation is a bad thing in-of-itself… it’s important we include the nutter fringe in the debate, as it helps focus in on where the
fringe actually is and it also help the main parties largely centristThe problem with that is it legitimises such attitudes and policies (ref: the LNP adopting a lot of ON’s policies) as well as giving the more major parties the option of lowering the bar a couple of pegs and still be the better option.
Could find with the way the world is heading, loony parties that have racist/fascist idea’s become elected as they won’t do what’s necessary and that’s what many voters want.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I cannot find the Victorian senate ballot paper 2022 on-line. Bloody annoying.
Belay that – I found an image.
No – damnit -that was an old one. You’d think you could find a copy on the AEC website.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I cannot find the Victorian senate ballot paper 2022 on-line. Bloody annoying.
Belay that – I found an image.
No – damnit -that was an old one. You’d think you could find a copy on the AEC website.
You can get a list of candidates.
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Melbourne&division=Melbourne&state=VIC
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:It began in 2016. They were never in power while the card was in use.
:/
Consider me corrected.
Some confusion with the basics card?
Yep, that would be it. The only real difference is that the basics card was managed “in house” rather being managed by a contract company. Any arguments against the indue card would be equally relevant against the basics card.
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said::/
Consider me corrected.
Some confusion with the basics card?
Yep, that would be it. The only real difference is that the basics card was managed “in house” rather being managed by a contract company. Any arguments against the indue card would be equally relevant against the basics card.
Fair comparison.
dv said:
sibeen said:
sibeen said:Belay that – I found an image.
No – damnit -that was an old one. You’d think you could find a copy on the AEC website.
You can get a list of candidates.
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Melbourne&division=Melbourne&state=VIC
Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:No – damnit -that was an old one. You’d think you could find a copy on the AEC website.
You can get a list of candidates.
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Melbourne&division=Melbourne&state=VIC
Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
I think they’ll probably insist that you use one of the proper ballots dude…
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:No – damnit -that was an old one. You’d think you could find a copy on the AEC website.
You can get a list of candidates.
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Melbourne&division=Melbourne&state=VIC
Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
Every vote below the line?
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:You can get a list of candidates.
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Melbourne&division=Melbourne&state=VIC
Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
I think they’ll probably insist that you use one of the proper ballots dude…
Yeah, I get that, but I go full below the line and I wanted to have a cheat sheet that was easier to use.
I see Derryn Hinch is having another go.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
dv said:You can get a list of candidates.
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm?suburb=Melbourne&division=Melbourne&state=VIC
Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
Every vote below the line?
Shit yeah. There is scrambling amongst the nutters every election to see who gets the bottom of the ladder.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
I think they’ll probably insist that you use one of the proper ballots dude…
Yeah, I get that, but I go full below the line and I wanted to have a cheat sheet that was easier to use.
Hard core
dv said:
I see Derryn Hinch is having another go.
At radio?
:)
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
Every vote below the line?
Shit yeah. There is scrambling amongst the nutters every election to see who gets the bottom of the ladder.
So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
I see Derryn Hinch is having another go.
At radio?
:)
Didn’t he make a mess of it?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Every vote below the line?
Shit yeah. There is scrambling amongst the nutters every election to see who gets the bottom of the ladder.
So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Yes. That is it exactly.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
I see Derryn Hinch is having another go.
At radio?
:)
At prison life
Dark Orange said:
sarahs mum said:
Dark Orange said::/
Consider me corrected.
Some confusion with the basics card?
Yep, that would be it. The only real difference is that the basics card was managed “in house” rather being managed by a contract company. Any arguments against the indue card would be equally relevant against the basics card.
I don’t like either. I’d much prefer an adviced based activity with a real financial consultant. Who might suggest opting into the system or might suggest other ways of improving their financial position.
Indue fails on so many levels.But telling people they are shit and can’t take care of themsleves and then failing to pay those people’s bills and rent on time is the worst.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
I see Derryn Hinch is having another go.
At radio?
:)
At prison life
As The Punisher, take out all those shame shame shameful people
Cymek said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:At radio?
:)
At prison life
As The Punisher, take out all those shame shame shameful people
LOL, I watched that the other night. War Zone, it was pretty bad.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Shit yeah. There is scrambling amongst the nutters every election to see who gets the bottom of the ladder.
So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Yes. That is it exactly.
In the old system that was somewhat admirable but with the 12 below the line system you can ensure your favoured candidates get up without the whole shemozzle. Unless of course you deem to put a major party last that is.
OK, 78 candidates on the Victorian Senate Paper.
I suspect that from the bottom it will go Fatso – Hanson – Socialist Alliance – Victorian Socialist – Informed Medical Options – then the Libs and then the general riff raff up to #1.
dv said:
I see Derryn Hinch is having another go.
He’s 78 now but apparently still dying his hair and beard shoeshine black.
sibeen said:
OK, 78 candidates on the Victorian Senate Paper.I suspect that from the bottom it will go Fatso – Hanson – Socialist Alliance – Victorian Socialist – Informed Medical Options – then the Libs and then the general riff raff up to #1.
And #1 will be….
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
OK, 78 candidates on the Victorian Senate Paper.I suspect that from the bottom it will go Fatso – Hanson – Socialist Alliance – Victorian Socialist – Informed Medical Options – then the Libs and then the general riff raff up to #1.
And #1 will be….
Linda White.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
OK, 78 candidates on the Victorian Senate Paper.I suspect that from the bottom it will go Fatso – Hanson – Socialist Alliance – Victorian Socialist – Informed Medical Options – then the Libs and then the general riff raff up to #1.
And #1 will be….
Linda White.
NHOH.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Yes. That is it exactly.
In the old system that was somewhat admirable but with the 12 below the line system you can ensure your favoured candidates get up without the whole shemozzle. Unless of course you deem to put a major party last that is.
Major parties being Labor, the Libs or the Greens.
On my Reps paper I’ll probably reverse the order and have Hanson last, then fatso.
Normally I don’t vote below unless there’s some particular candidate I want to punish among the majors.
I’m thinking Michaela Cash.
dv said:
Normally I don’t vote below unless there’s some particular candidate I want to punish among the majors.I’m thinking Michaela Cash.
NHOH.
sibeen said:
dv said:
Normally I don’t vote below unless there’s some particular candidate I want to punish among the majors.I’m thinking Michaela Cash.
NHOH.
Michaelia Cash.
dv said:
sibeen said:
dv said:
Normally I don’t vote below unless there’s some particular candidate I want to punish among the majors.I’m thinking Michaela Cash.
NHOH.
Michaelia Cash.
Oh, that bitch :)
first doggo.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/16/scott-morrison-is-sorry-he-was-too-good-at-his-job-he-is-going-to-be-a-changed-man
Good!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/aec-finds-fake-david-pocock-zali-steggall-signs-breach-laws/101070252
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:
dv said:Exhibit A…
I’m sure he’s a lovely man.
He stumbled at the start, but learned the game quickly. His exit speech was memorable.
I put him at the top of the ticket at the election he got voted out on. I think Buffy may have done as well.
I can’t remember now, but it’s quite likely. He was a surprise.
sarahs mum said:
first doggo.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/16/scott-morrison-is-sorry-he-was-too-good-at-his-job-he-is-going-to-be-a-changed-man
Good one FDOTM!
:)
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
I cannot find the Victorian senate ballot paper 2022 on-line. Bloody annoying.
Belay that – I found an image.
ABC link? I’m sure I found it last week somewhere. I haven’t sat down with it seriously yet.
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:Shit yeah. There is scrambling amongst the nutters every election to see who gets the bottom of the ladder.
So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Yes. That is it exactly.
I don’t. I work out who I want to vote for….and who I most definitely don’t want to vote for…and the others go randomly (or not so randomly) in the middle. As long as the ones I’m happy with number more than 12 (?) it’s unlikely my higher numbers will get a look in anyway.
sibeen said:
OK, 78 candidates on the Victorian Senate Paper.I suspect that from the bottom it will go Fatso – Hanson – Socialist Alliance – Victorian Socialist – Informed Medical Options – then the Libs and then the general riff raff up to #1.
You forgot the Liberal Democrats…they have to be down the bottom somewhere.
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:Yeah, I found a list at:
https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2022/Senate.htm?s=VIC
But I wanted to print one out and fill it in before hand.
I think they’ll probably insist that you use one of the proper ballots dude…
Yeah, I get that, but I go full below the line and I wanted to have a cheat sheet that was easier to use.
so you draw a big dick and balls then…
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Yes. That is it exactly.
I don’t. I work out who I want to vote for….and who I most definitely don’t want to vote for…and the others go randomly (or not so randomly) in the middle. As long as the ones I’m happy with number more than 12 (?) it’s unlikely my higher numbers will get a look in anyway.
I just vote above the line in the senate.. I’m happy for the candidates in each party to go full thunderdome for the first and second spots on the ticket..
diddly-squat said:
sibeen said:
dv said:I think they’ll probably insist that you use one of the proper ballots dude…
Yeah, I get that, but I go full below the line and I wanted to have a cheat sheet that was easier to use.
so you draw a big dick and balls then…
I use the cheat sheet, much faster.
I put Eric Abetz at the bottom and then fill in the rest.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you spend a great deal of time deciding who you’re not voting for?
Yes. That is it exactly.
I don’t. I work out who I want to vote for….and who I most definitely don’t want to vote for…and the others go randomly (or not so randomly) in the middle. As long as the ones I’m happy with number more than 12 (?) it’s unlikely my higher numbers will get a look in anyway.
Oh, the middle section is a random shuffle. It’s the ends that get the love and hate :)
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
- is a bit confusing.
That’s because they want you to put both of them near the bottom.
This may sound shocking but I think maybe ON is just a means of garnering electoral funding. A lot of their candidates have zero profile, don’t have the right picture on their HTV docket, arent campaigning and can’t be contacted. Perhaps Pauline just said to them “run, don’t do anything, if you get 4% of the vote we get paid and we’ll split it with you”.
It is actually the truth of the truth of the matter.
PH.. “It’s not just a matter of dollars Wade. It starts with toilets and ends with costing us our Australian way of life.”
I had forgotten all about that one.
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
Considering how many youngest sprogs are all out there voting for the first time there are very few carrots for them.
>>But soft! What light through yonder window breaks? Well, strike me dead. It’s something on which the major parties — at last — passionately disagree.<<
Annabel Crabb (I always have to stop and think about that surname, one of my patients was Annabel with a different surname and that’s the one that pops into my head)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/election-2022-housing-super-real-estate-prices-morrison-albanese/101071380
sarahs mum said:
I wonder how that would compare with mean, rather than average earnings.
Just sayin’ hey what but.
But let’s say you tested +ve for The Covix today. You are supposed to stay at home and isolate ain’t ya for 7 days?
So how are ya supposed to go out and vote?
Tens of thousands could test +ve this week. That’s tens of thousands that can’t vote.
Or am I not up to date and you can be +ve and go out and vote? Coz it’s too late to go postal now, isn’t it?
How the Long Recovery From Bush Fires Could Decide Australia’s Election
The fires that tore through the country in late 2019 and early 2020 are history, but halting recovery efforts have kept memories vivid and anger fresh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/world/australia/cobargo-bushfires-election.html
Woodie said:
Just sayin’ hey what but.But let’s say you tested +ve for The Covix today. You are supposed to stay at home and isolate ain’t ya for 7 days?
So how are ya supposed to go out and vote?
Tens of thousands could test +ve this week. That’s tens of thousands that can’t vote.
Or am I not up to date and you can be +ve and go out and vote? Coz it’s too late to go postal now, isn’t it?
You can vote via the electric telegraphone if you have the plague.
Kingy said:
Woodie said:
Just sayin’ hey what but.But let’s say you tested +ve for The Covix today. You are supposed to stay at home and isolate ain’t ya for 7 days?
So how are ya supposed to go out and vote?
Tens of thousands could test +ve this week. That’s tens of thousands that can’t vote.
Or am I not up to date and you can be +ve and go out and vote? Coz it’s too late to go postal now, isn’t it?
You can vote via the electric telegraphone if you have the plague.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/what-happens-if-i-get-covid-in-the-election-week-phone-vote/101041324
Woodie said:
Just sayin’ hey what but.But let’s say you tested +ve for The Covix today. You are supposed to stay at home and isolate ain’t ya for 7 days?
So how are ya supposed to go out and vote?
Tens of thousands could test +ve this week. That’s tens of thousands that can’t vote.
Or am I not up to date and you can be +ve and go out and vote? Coz it’s too late to go postal now, isn’t it?
A couple of things 1. it’s never too late for the usual suspects to go postal and B. you can vote by phone in certain cases I’d imagine this would be one of them.
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
Considering how many youngest sprogs are all out there voting for the first time there are very few carrots for them.
What are you talking about?
Scomo plans to let them use their own money to buy a house, so house prices will keep going up.
Peak Warming Man said:
Woodie said:
Just sayin’ hey what but.But let’s say you tested +ve for The Covix today. You are supposed to stay at home and isolate ain’t ya for 7 days?
So how are ya supposed to go out and vote?
Tens of thousands could test +ve this week. That’s tens of thousands that can’t vote.
Or am I not up to date and you can be +ve and go out and vote? Coz it’s too late to go postal now, isn’t it?
A couple of things 1. it’s never too late for the usual suspects to go postal and B. you can vote by phone in certain cases I’d imagine this would be one of them.
And iii. if you cant be arsed voting it’s a legitimate excuse.
Can we vote online yet?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
Considering how many youngest sprogs are all out there voting for the first time there are very few carrots for them.
What are you talking about?
Scomo plans to let them use their own money to buy a house, so house prices will keep going up.
but will interest rates
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can we vote online yet?
No. Not while Russia and China exist.
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/uap-labels-chinese-owned-mine-that-pays-clive-palmer-1m-a-day-a-security-threat-20220513-p5al67.html
Leigh Sales lets Morrison interrupt, talk over her, bulldoze, but I suppose it’s only fair because that’s what she does to Albo.
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
My superior officer voted already. In the senate she gave her 1 to Legalise Cannabis.
dv said:
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
My superior officer voted already. In the senate she gave her 1 to Legalise Cannabis.
I’m waiting till Saturday to vote.
I’m old skool.
sarahs mum said:
I think about this kind of chart when I hear Howard talking about how unaffordability is “baked in” like it is just something that happened naturally rather than the result of policy changes since his election in 1996.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
My superior officer voted already. In the senate she gave her 1 to Legalise Cannabis.
I’m waiting till Saturday to vote.
I’m old skool.
Me too
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:My superior officer voted already. In the senate she gave her 1 to Legalise Cannabis.
I’m waiting till Saturday to vote.
I’m old skool.
Me too
And Mr buffy and I will also be voting on Saturday. Which reminds me, I should check if we have to go to the hall or the Senior Citz. They are only 100m from each other, so it wouldn’t matter if we went to the wrong place.
sarahs mum said:
How the Long Recovery From Bush Fires Could Decide Australia’s ElectionThe fires that tore through the country in late 2019 and early 2020 are history, but halting recovery efforts have kept memories vivid and anger fresh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/world/australia/cobargo-bushfires-election.html
how come there is so much red tape when the liberals were supposed to have got rid of red tape?
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can we vote online yet?
No. Not while Russia and China exist.
ok.
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can we vote online yet?
No. Not while Russia and China exist.
ok.
Any system of online voting invites interference and disruption from outside. Be it hostile regimes, or hackers or activists or any other such groups. Even just people wanting to be a PITA for bragging rights. You can just bet the system would be hacked, blocked or tsken down with Denial of Service attacks.
party_pants said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
OK, me and the family have all voted; youngest sprog for the first time.
My superior officer voted already. In the senate she gave her 1 to Legalise Cannabis.
I’m waiting till Saturday to vote.
I’m old skool.
The same.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Can we vote online yet?
No. Not while Russia and China exist.
fucking communists and their stuxnets
Just checking eligibility for early voting at the aec site.
One is being a “silent elector”.
That’s the majority, isn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just checking eligibility for early voting at the aec site.One is being a “silent elector”.
That’s the majority, isn’t it?
Silent elector is where the person is not shown on the electoral roll (a bit like a silent telephone number). It’s a personal safety thing and can be applied for where the publishing of the elector’s details might impact their safety (eg domestic violence etc).
A misinformation expert says Australia has imported electoral fraud narratives
Fuck CHINA
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-17/australians-spreading-trump-election-conspiracies/101057226
The comments came in July last year during the Coalition’s legal attempt to maintain secrecy over climate scenarios “war-gamed” by some of the top bureaucrats in the country.
Under “Project Climate Ready”, the scenarios were mapped out in 2018 in anticipation of the kinds of major disruptions expected from climate change, by a now-defunct group called the Secretaries Group on Climate Risk.
In 2019, the ABC obtained some documents relating to the group’s activities, but details of the scenarios were not released.
The ABC fought the decision to withhold the documents at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) but was unsuccessful.
The ABC is not going to appeal the decision in the Federal Court, so is now publishing the revelations from last year’s hearings.
too and to
Australia’s only silicon manufacturer may be forced to import coal as it struggles to secure a consistent supply of local timber to make its product.
In late 2020, China suspended Queensland timber imports after officials claimed there were detections of live insects in consignments. Within a few months, Australian timber imports were largely suspended, hitting the industry worth $1.6 billion a year.
burn
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/05/15/scott-morrison-liberal-housing-policy-class-warfare/
https://www.afr.com/politics/pm-s-super-property-pitch-adds-up-to-a-1pc-deposit-20220516-p5almo
Doesn’t look like it will help many.
PM’s super property pitch makes more of a difference in cheaper cities
The Coalition’s super for housing proposal will make only a modest dent in the time taken to save for a deposit for young, single Australians in the country’s most expensive capital cities.
The combination of elevated property prices and low superannuation balances means the government’s proposal to let people withdraw 40 per cent of their super, up to a limit of $50,000, will give prospective home buyers only a small boost to their deposits.
But couples, especially those looking beyond Sydney and Melbourne, will derive a larger benefit.
To withdraw $50,000, a person would need to have superannuation savings of $125,000, a sum the average Australian does not accrue until they are in their 40s
The average 30-34-year-old male has $51,175 in super, meaning they can withdraw $20,470 under the Coalition’s policy. The average female in this age bracket would only be able to pull $16,896 out of their $42,240 super balance, according to data from the Association of Super Funds of Australia. The average couple in their early-30s would have access to $37,366.
Superannuation balance estimates are from 2019, so they predate the impressive sharemarket returns experienced over the past two years, which would have pushed retirement savings higher. The S&P500 is 37 per cent higher than in mid-2019, while the S&P/ASX200 is 12 per cent higher.
They also do not incorporate the effect of the government’s early access scheme, where 3 million Australians collectively withdrew $36.4 billion from their retirement savings during the pandemic. Individuals were able to withdraw up to $20,000 across two tranches.
Because of low superannuation balances, the gap between what people can withdraw from their super under the Coalition’s policy and the deposit required to buy a property in a major capital city is large for those under 35.
The average 30-34-year-old male has $51,175 in super, meaning they can withdraw $20,470 under the Coalition’s policy. The average female in this age bracket would only be able to pull $16,896 out of their $42,240 super balance, according to data from the Association of Super Funds of Australia. The average couple in their early-30s would have access to $37,366.
Superannuation balance estimates are from 2019, so they predate the impressive sharemarket returns experienced over the past two years, which would have pushed retirement savings higher. The S&P500 is 37 per cent higher than in mid-2019, while the S&P/ASX200 is 12 per cent higher.
They also do not incorporate the effect of the government’s early access scheme, where 3 million Australians collectively withdrew $36.4 billion from their retirement savings during the pandemic. Individuals were able to withdraw up to $20,000 across two tranches.
Because of low superannuation balances, the gap between what people can withdraw from their super under the Coalition’s policy and the deposit required to buy a property in a major capital city is large for those under 35.
The average man in his late-30s who used the scheme would unlock a 4 per cent deposit on a cheaper property in Sydney and 5.4 per cent on one in Melbourne. The average woman in this age group would acquire a 3.2 per cent deposit on a place in Sydney and 4.3 per cent in Melbourne. A cheaper property is one that costs less than 75 per cent of other properties.
The policy will provide a bigger boost to couples. The average couple in their late-30s would have access to a 7.2 per cent deposit on a cheaper property in Sydney and 9.7 per cent in Melbourne.
It will provide a bigger boost in cheaper housing markets such as Perth and Adelaide.
This is before any potential increase in property prices, with Superannuation Minister Jane Hume saying on Monday she expects a “bump” in property prices as a result of the measure.
Withdrawing 40 per cent of super will give the average 25-29-year-old man a 1.2 per cent deposit on a cheaper property in Sydney.
The average woman in that age group would have a 1 per cent deposit on a cheaper property in Sydney, a 1.4 per cent deposit on a similar property in Melbourne, and 1.6 per cent on a modest place in Brisbane.
The controversial pitch to let people tap their super comes as the downturn in Sydney’s property market gathers pace, with prices falling for the third month in a row in April to a median value of $1.1 million.
Speaking to The Australian Financial Review, Senator Hume said the government decided to limit withdrawals to 40 per cent of a person’s balance because it did not want Australians to “empty their super” to buy a house.
“We want to make sure that people continue to contribute to superannuation and continue to build their retirement savings.
“But at the same time, we’d want to unlock so they can buy a house now and even further ensure their economic security and retirement by owning their own home.”
Senator Hume did not say how large the “bump” in house prices would be.
“Inevitably, if you put out a demand-side measure as the Coalition has done, and as the Labor Party has done, there will be a small and temporary effect on demand.”
Senator Hume said any decision to release the modelling underpinning the policy was “a decision for after the election”, but said the policy had been “carefully calibrated”.
She said measures to encourage older Australians to downsize and deals to unlock land supplies would keep a lid on prices.
Michael Read is a reporter based in Parliament House, Canberra. He was previously an economist at the Reserve Bank of Australia and at UBS.
The Poll Bludger
Morgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
dv said:
The Poll BludgerMorgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
Was listening to our mate Josh this morning, and at first listen he came across as pretty convincing (without actually looking into the facts behind what he was saying). Then he launched into a personal attack on Albanese, and how he was so incapable that he’d never even been a treasurer, and I found that totally offputting.
I wonder if that’s just me, or whether the average swinging voter would react in a similar way.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Poll BludgerMorgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
Was listening to our mate Josh this morning, and at first listen he came across as pretty convincing (without actually looking into the facts behind what he was saying). Then he launched into a personal attack on Albanese, and how he was so incapable that he’d never even been a treasurer, and I found that totally offputting.
I wonder if that’s just me, or whether the average swinging voter would react in a similar way.
Josh has been offputting his entire career. He’s a sleaze.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Poll BludgerMorgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
Was listening to our mate Josh this morning, and at first listen he came across as pretty convincing (without actually looking into the facts behind what he was saying). Then he launched into a personal attack on Albanese, and how he was so incapable that he’d never even been a treasurer, and I found that totally offputting.
I wonder if that’s just me, or whether the average swinging voter would react in a similar way.
I doubt that you’re the average swinging voter :)
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Poll BludgerMorgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
Was listening to our mate Josh this morning, and at first listen he came across as pretty convincing (without actually looking into the facts behind what he was saying). Then he launched into a personal attack on Albanese, and how he was so incapable that he’d never even been a treasurer, and I found that totally offputting.
I wonder if that’s just me, or whether the average swinging voter would react in a similar way.
I doubt that you’re the average swinging voter :)
I’m part of the silent majority mate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Poll BludgerMorgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
Was listening to our mate Josh this morning, and at first listen he came across as pretty convincing (without actually looking into the facts behind what he was saying). Then he launched into a personal attack on Albanese, and how he was so incapable that he’d never even been a treasurer, and I found that totally offputting.
I wonder if that’s just me, or whether the average swinging voter would react in a similar way.
although albo does seem to have a history of overseeing large projects that came in on time and on the money.proects that ended up with us actually having something.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Poll BludgerMorgan: 53-47 to Labor
Roy Morgan ends its weekly campaign series finding the major parties collectively plumbing new depths, but with Labor in far the better position of the two. Plus yet more internal polling scuttlebutt, this time from Warringah, Fowler and North Sydney.
Was listening to our mate Josh this morning, and at first listen he came across as pretty convincing (without actually looking into the facts behind what he was saying). Then he launched into a personal attack on Albanese, and how he was so incapable that he’d never even been a treasurer, and I found that totally offputting.
I wonder if that’s just me, or whether the average swinging voter would react in a similar way.
although albo does seem to have a history of overseeing large projects that came in on time and on the money.proects that ended up with us actually having something.
Surely not, how could that be? :)
Has voting finished?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has voting finished?
No, it will continue up until, and including, Saturday.
That will be Morgan’s final poll. We can expect one from Newspoll soon.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has voting finished?
It has for some.
Let’s hope Mr Green is able to call it early.
Bubblecar said:
Let’s hope Mr Green is able to call it early.
I’m pretty sure he’ll have to wait until Saturday at least.
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
dv said:
That will be Morgan’s final poll. We can expect one from Newspoll soon.
That’s a shame.
Saw him interviewed on Good Morning Sunrise Breakfast and he said there’s a 52% chance he’d move on to something else and a 48% chance he’d retire.
Anyway the best of luck Roy.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
That will be Morgan’s final poll. We can expect one from Newspoll soon.
That’s a shame.
Saw him interviewed on Good Morning Sunrise Breakfast and he said there’s a 52% chance he’d move on to something else and a 48% chance he’d retire.
Anyway the best of luck Roy.
that’s your problem. You can watch that show without hurling shit at your TV.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Let’s hope Mr Green is able to call it early.
I’m pretty sure he’ll have to wait until Saturday at least.
I was hoping he might call if Friday night to make it easier for people to vote on Saturday.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
On the face of it, pretty good. He holds Dickson on a 5% margin but there’s been a 9% swing to Labor in Qld.
I keep seeing articles about a looming battle for Liberal leadership between Spud and JoFry… but both of these guys are in serious peril of being out of parliament soon.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
On the face of it, pretty good. He holds Dickson on a 5% margin but there’s been a 9% swing to Labor in Qld.
I keep seeing articles about a looming battle for Liberal leadership between Spud and JoFry… but both of these guys are in serious peril of being out of parliament soon.
If they go…who is left? Michaelia (unlikely), Marise? Nah, unlikely to be a woman except, I suppose, as a place holder.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
On the face of it, pretty good. He holds Dickson on a 5% margin but there’s been a 9% swing to Labor in Qld.
I keep seeing articles about a looming battle for Liberal leadership between Spud and JoFry… but both of these guys are in serious peril of being out of parliament soon.
I’d like to see the end of Dutton.
So much.
buffy said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
On the face of it, pretty good. He holds Dickson on a 5% margin but there’s been a 9% swing to Labor in Qld.
I keep seeing articles about a looming battle for Liberal leadership between Spud and JoFry… but both of these guys are in serious peril of being out of parliament soon.
If they go…who is left? Michaelia (unlikely), Marise? Nah, unlikely to be a woman except, I suppose, as a place holder.
How’s Rushton looking? I don’t like her at all either.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
That will be Morgan’s final poll. We can expect one from Newspoll soon.
That’s a shame.
Saw him interviewed on Good Morning Sunrise Breakfast and he said there’s a 52% chance he’d move on to something else and a 48% chance he’d retire.
Anyway the best of luck Roy.
Amusing
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
I don’t know, but I really hope he does lose his seat.
Unfortunately that means Australian taxpayers pay this Nazi a large pension for the rest of his life. I suppose that is preferable to him being in the parliament…
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
On the face of it, pretty good. He holds Dickson on a 5% margin but there’s been a 9% swing to Labor in Qld.
I keep seeing articles about a looming battle for Liberal leadership between Spud and JoFry… but both of these guys are in serious peril of being out of parliament soon.
Let’s hope that happens.
Ruston and Cash being senators will not be in the frame in the short term.
Maybe Alex Hawke would be in with a shout?
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
That will be Morgan’s final poll. We can expect one from Newspoll soon.
That’s a shame.
Saw him interviewed on Good Morning Sunrise Breakfast and he said there’s a 52% chance he’d move on to something else and a 48% chance he’d retire.
Anyway the best of luck Roy.
Hahaha
:)
dv said:
Ruston and Cash being senators will not be in the frame in the short term.Maybe Alex Hawke would be in with a shout?
Or Karen Andrews
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
dv said:On the face of it, pretty good. He holds Dickson on a 5% margin but there’s been a 9% swing to Labor in Qld.
I keep seeing articles about a looming battle for Liberal leadership between Spud and JoFry… but both of these guys are in serious peril of being out of parliament soon.
If they go…who is left? Michaelia (unlikely), Marise? Nah, unlikely to be a woman except, I suppose, as a place holder.
How’s Rushton looking? I don’t like her at all either.
Bring back Mandy Vandstone I say.
chants WADDA WE WANT……. MANDY…. WHEN DO WE WANT HER…… NOW”
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:If they go…who is left? Michaelia (unlikely), Marise? Nah, unlikely to be a woman except, I suppose, as a place holder.
How’s Rushton looking? I don’t like her at all either.
Bring back Mandy Vandstone I say.
chants WADDA WE WANT……. MANDY…. WHEN DO WE WANT HER…… NOW”
You just wanna see her hair again.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:How’s Rushton looking? I don’t like her at all either.
Bring back Mandy Vandstone I say.
chants WADDA WE WANT……. MANDY…. WHEN DO WE WANT HER…… NOW”
You just wanna see her hair again.
Changed my mind………….
Bring back Prissy Pine (AKA Curly). That’s what I reckon, hey what but.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:If they go…who is left? Michaelia (unlikely), Marise? Nah, unlikely to be a woman except, I suppose, as a place holder.
How’s Rushton looking? I don’t like her at all either.
Bring back Mandy Vandstone I say.
chants WADDA WE WANT……. MANDY…. WHEN DO WE WANT HER…… NOW”
Noooooo!
Anyone but Mandy!
(Well maybe not Dutton)
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Bring back Mandy Vandstone I say.
chants WADDA WE WANT……. MANDY…. WHEN DO WE WANT HER…… NOW”
You just wanna see her hair again.
Changed my mind………….
Bring back Prissy Pine (AKA Curly). That’s what I reckon, hey what but.
Doesent he just look, so trustworthy?
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You just wanna see her hair again.
Changed my mind………….
Bring back Prissy Pine (AKA Curly). That’s what I reckon, hey what but.
Doesent he just look, so trustworthy?
blind date.
a question. In the case of Dutton v Bazzi it has now been appealed and the verdict overthrown. I guess the taxpayer pays Dutton’s costs. Now lets say Dutton won and Bazzi has to pay damages. Who does that money go to? Dutton or the Government?
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
I don’t know, but I really hope he does lose his seat.
Unfortunately that means Australian taxpayers pay this Nazi a large pension for the rest of his life. I suppose that is preferable to him being in the parliament…
I don’t like Dutton, but he’s not a nazi and in fairness he has earned his pension
Bogsnorkler said:
a question. In the case of Dutton v Bazzi it has now been appealed and the verdict overthrown. I guess the taxpayer pays Dutton’s costs. Now lets say Dutton won and Bazzi has to pay damages. Who does that money go to? Dutton or the Government?
Fair question and also I don’t know
Bogsnorkler said:
a question. In the case of Dutton v Bazzi it has now been appealed and the verdict overthrown. I guess the taxpayer pays Dutton’s costs. Now lets say Dutton won and Bazzi has to pay damages. Who does that money go to? Dutton or the Government?
To Dutton of course.. he was the one claiming to have been defamed.
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Goodo.
What are the chances of Dutton losing his seat?
I don’t know, but I really hope he does lose his seat.
Unfortunately that means Australian taxpayers pay this Nazi a large pension for the rest of his life. I suppose that is preferable to him being in the parliament…
I don’t like Dutton, but he’s not a nazi and in fairness he has earned his pension
Well his head isn’t actually a potato either.
How come you don’t complain about that?
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
a question. In the case of Dutton v Bazzi it has now been appealed and the verdict overthrown. I guess the taxpayer pays Dutton’s costs. Now lets say Dutton won and Bazzi has to pay damages. Who does that money go to? Dutton or the Government?
To Dutton of course.. he was the one claiming to have been defamed.
then why does the taxpayer pay the legal fees? It seems that a minster is in a win-win situation. Government covers any costs win or lose and if he wins he gets paid.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:I don’t know, but I really hope he does lose his seat.
Unfortunately that means Australian taxpayers pay this Nazi a large pension for the rest of his life. I suppose that is preferable to him being in the parliament…
I don’t like Dutton, but he’s not a nazi and in fairness he has earned his pension
Well his head isn’t actually a potato either.
How come you don’t complain about that?
I’m not complaining about anything
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:I don’t know, but I really hope he does lose his seat.
Unfortunately that means Australian taxpayers pay this Nazi a large pension for the rest of his life. I suppose that is preferable to him being in the parliament…
I don’t like Dutton, but he’s not a nazi and in fairness he has earned his pension
Well his head isn’t actually a potato either.
How come you don’t complain about that?
potatoes have eyes. dutton has eyes. I rest my case.
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
a question. In the case of Dutton v Bazzi it has now been appealed and the verdict overthrown. I guess the taxpayer pays Dutton’s costs. Now lets say Dutton won and Bazzi has to pay damages. Who does that money go to? Dutton or the Government?
To Dutton of course.. he was the one claiming to have been defamed.
then why does the taxpayer pay the legal fees? It seems that a minster is in a win-win situation. Government covers any costs win or lose and if he wins he gets paid.
I would assume there would be an expectation the money would paid into a charity of the Minister’s choosing
Yeah I don’t get it either. I don’t understand why the government pays for the legal costs of MPs in these civil cases.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
diddly-squat said:To Dutton of course.. he was the one claiming to have been defamed.
then why does the taxpayer pay the legal fees? It seems that a minster is in a win-win situation. Government covers any costs win or lose and if he wins he gets paid.
I would assume there would be an expectation the money would paid into a charity of the Minister’s choosing
THIS story suggest Dutton would have to cover his own costs..
Bogsnorkler said:
a question. In the case of Dutton v Bazzi it has now been appealed and the verdict overthrown. I guess the taxpayer pays Dutton’s costs. Now lets say Dutton won and Bazzi has to pay damages. Who does that money go to? Dutton or the Government?
Damages to Dutton.
Costs to Government.
In thinking about it though, if in your role as an employee (not a private citizen) if you felt you had been defamed (or for professionals accused of being negligent in your duties), would you expect it reasonable that your workplace covered the legal fees? I don’t think that’s unreasonable.. but I know as a minimum, my workplace would be seeking to recover their costs.
but then we have professional indemnity insurance, so that’s at least a bit of protection.
Does the ABC pay the costs of employees who get sued with tax payer money?
Peak Warming Man said:
Does the ABC pay the costs of employees who get sued with tax payer money?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/18/no-precedent-for-abcs-200k-payment-in-louise-milligan-defamation-dispute-auditor-general-says
in this case it did. but…
Hehir said the ABC had acknowledged it was “under no express legal obligation to meet these costs” but it was a “business decision” to help resolve both the Laming and Porter disputes.
Nazi is a fairly specific term but I’m pretty sure Dutton is a white supremacist. He has a habit of raising topics that are hot on the WS circuit.
diddly-squat said:
In thinking about it though, if in your role as an employee (not a private citizen) if you felt you had been defamed (or for professionals accused of being negligent in your duties), would you expect it reasonable that your workplace covered the legal fees? I don’t think that’s unreasonable..
Well (shrugs) I do. Hands up here anyone who has had an employer cover their costs in a civil case? Any of your workmates?
Peak Warming Man said:
Does the ABC pay the costs of employees who get sued with tax payer money?
Not generally but there was a case involving Louise Milligan in which the ABC made a contribution in recognition of the fact that they (the ABC) shared culpability.
dv said:
Nazi is a fairly specific term but I’m pretty sure Dutton is a white supremacist. He has a habit of raising topics that are hot on the WS circuit.
I mean I don’t think he’s out there marching and holding a tiki torch chanting “Jews will not replace us”, but he’s no less fond of a dog whistle that ScoMo.. that’s for sure
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Nazi is a fairly specific term but I’m pretty sure Dutton is a white supremacist. He has a habit of raising topics that are hot on the WS circuit.
I mean I don’t think he’s out there marching and holding a tiki torch chanting “Jews will not replace us”
Well hopefully he’ll have plenty of free time for that kind of thing soon…
dv said:
diddly-squat said:In thinking about it though, if in your role as an employee (not a private citizen) if you felt you had been defamed (or for professionals accused of being negligent in your duties), would you expect it reasonable that your workplace covered the legal fees? I don’t think that’s unreasonable..
Well (shrugs) I do. Hands up here anyone who has had an employer cover their costs in a civil case? Any of your workmates?
We’ve had instances where legal grievances have been raised against individual employees that have signed off on Competent Person’s documents (like Resources and Reserves and other forms of public documentation) and the company has covered those legal fees.
The distinction I see is that Dutton claimed he was defamed as a result of carrying out his duties as Immigration Minister, not as a private citizen.
Now I’m not saying that I think what was said was defamatory or that Dutton is a great guy, I’m just indicating that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for an employer to cover legal costs that may be brought forward as a result of you doing your job. I would however expect that an employer would conduct it’s own legal due diligence to see if it’s reasonably likely they will be left holding the can, so to speak.
What liability caps do you have in your service contracts?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:In thinking about it though, if in your role as an employee (not a private citizen) if you felt you had been defamed (or for professionals accused of being negligent in your duties), would you expect it reasonable that your workplace covered the legal fees? I don’t think that’s unreasonable..
Well (shrugs) I do. Hands up here anyone who has had an employer cover their costs in a civil case? Any of your workmates?
We’ve had instances where legal grievances have been raised against individual employees that have signed off on Competent Person’s documents (like Resources and Reserves and other forms of public documentation) and the company has covered those legal fees.
The distinction I see is that Dutton claimed he was defamed as a result of carrying out his duties as Immigration Minister, not as a private citizen.
Now I’m not saying that I think what was said was defamatory or that Dutton is a great guy, I’m just indicating that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for an employer to cover legal costs that may be brought forward as a result of you doing your job. I would however expect that an employer would conduct it’s own legal due diligence to see if it’s reasonably likely they will be left holding the can, so to speak.
What liability caps do you have in your service contracts?
It is the nature of my work that I haven’t needed to include any provision for civil action by third parties.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Well (shrugs) I do. Hands up here anyone who has had an employer cover their costs in a civil case? Any of your workmates?
We’ve had instances where legal grievances have been raised against individual employees that have signed off on Competent Person’s documents (like Resources and Reserves and other forms of public documentation) and the company has covered those legal fees.
The distinction I see is that Dutton claimed he was defamed as a result of carrying out his duties as Immigration Minister, not as a private citizen.
Now I’m not saying that I think what was said was defamatory or that Dutton is a great guy, I’m just indicating that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for an employer to cover legal costs that may be brought forward as a result of you doing your job. I would however expect that an employer would conduct it’s own legal due diligence to see if it’s reasonably likely they will be left holding the can, so to speak.
What liability caps do you have in your service contracts?
It is the nature of my work that I haven’t needed to include any provision for civil action by third parties.
so you are saying that you no third party liability provisions at all in your service agreements? seriously?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:We’ve had instances where legal grievances have been raised against individual employees that have signed off on Competent Person’s documents (like Resources and Reserves and other forms of public documentation) and the company has covered those legal fees.
The distinction I see is that Dutton claimed he was defamed as a result of carrying out his duties as Immigration Minister, not as a private citizen.
Now I’m not saying that I think what was said was defamatory or that Dutton is a great guy, I’m just indicating that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for an employer to cover legal costs that may be brought forward as a result of you doing your job. I would however expect that an employer would conduct it’s own legal due diligence to see if it’s reasonably likely they will be left holding the can, so to speak.
What liability caps do you have in your service contracts?
It is the nature of my work that I haven’t needed to include any provision for civil action by third parties.
so you are saying that you no third party liability provisions at all in your service agreements? seriously?
Save a shedload, the bastard.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:We’ve had instances where legal grievances have been raised against individual employees that have signed off on Competent Person’s documents (like Resources and Reserves and other forms of public documentation) and the company has covered those legal fees.
The distinction I see is that Dutton claimed he was defamed as a result of carrying out his duties as Immigration Minister, not as a private citizen.
Now I’m not saying that I think what was said was defamatory or that Dutton is a great guy, I’m just indicating that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for an employer to cover legal costs that may be brought forward as a result of you doing your job. I would however expect that an employer would conduct it’s own legal due diligence to see if it’s reasonably likely they will be left holding the can, so to speak.
What liability caps do you have in your service contracts?
It is the nature of my work that I haven’t needed to include any provision for civil action by third parties.
so you are saying that you no third party liability provisions at all in your service agreements? seriously?
Without too much specificity, … yes.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:It is the nature of my work that I haven’t needed to include any provision for civil action by third parties.
so you are saying that you no third party liability provisions at all in your service agreements? seriously?
Without too much specificity, … yes.
I find that astounding.. especially given the nature of your work.. if I understand your job correctly, people reply on the outcome of your work product to make commercial decisions. I mean you are literally trying to look inside the Earth for them (the uncertainty in that is mind boggling).. what happens if you get it wrong and get sued by someone that relied on your professional analysis?
Again, I am not going to be specific but for the past four years I’ve been able to have contracts freeing me from that form of liability.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:so you are saying that you no third party liability provisions at all in your service agreements? seriously?
Without too much specificity, … yes.
I find that astounding.. especially given the nature of your work.. if I understand your job correctly, people reply on the outcome of your work product to make commercial decisions. I mean you are literally trying to look inside the Earth for them (the uncertainty in that is mind boggling).. what happens if you get it wrong and get sued by someone that relied on your professional analysis?
This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author’s imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
dv said:
Again, I am not going to be specific but for the past four years I’ve been able to have contracts freeing me from that form of liability.
good job by you, I suppose…
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Again, I am not going to be specific but for the past four years I’ve been able to have contracts freeing me from that form of liability.
good job by you, I suppose…
Like doctors, geo guys can bury their mistakes :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Again, I am not going to be specific but for the past four years I’ve been able to have contracts freeing me from that form of liability.
good job by you, I suppose…
Like doctors, geo guys can bury their mistakes :)
dark
Bogsnorkler said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
:)
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
:)
they said something about a hose before
sibeen – are you about? Did you find a listing of the Victorian senate candidates profiles anywhere? House of Reps is easy. But senate is all over the place.
buffy said:
sibeen – are you about? Did you find a listing of the Victorian senate candidates profiles anywhere? House of Reps is easy. But senate is all over the place.
buffy, I got the list of candidates here:
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm
There’s bugger all information about them.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
sibeen – are you about? Did you find a listing of the Victorian senate candidates profiles anywhere? House of Reps is easy. But senate is all over the place.
buffy, I got the list of candidates here:
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm
There’s bugger all information about them.
79 candidates if you’re making a list :)
Thanks, I got the list and I’ve pulled out the groups I’m interested in. But as you say, for individual candidates it’s a bit of a bugger to find profiles. I did find a place that you can put together a how to vote list though:
https://www.finder.com.au/senate-voting-card-creator
Although, now I think about it, I’ll go well beyond the 12 required and as long as I’ve gone as far as Labor, I might just stop and leave UAP and Pauline and LibDems with no vote at all from me. They would be down the end at 79 anyway. I’ll work it out to the end and then decide.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
sibeen – are you about? Did you find a listing of the Victorian senate candidates profiles anywhere? House of Reps is easy. But senate is all over the place.
buffy, I got the list of candidates here:
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/candidates.htm
There’s bugger all information about them.
79 candidates if you’re making a list :)
and checking it twice
buffy said:
Thanks, I got the list and I’ve pulled out the groups I’m interested in. But as you say, for individual candidates it’s a bit of a bugger to find profiles. I did find a place that you can put together a how to vote list though:https://www.finder.com.au/senate-voting-card-creator
Although, now I think about it, I’ll go well beyond the 12 required and as long as I’ve gone as far as Labor, I might just stop and leave UAP and Pauline and LibDems with no vote at all from me. They would be down the end at 79 anyway. I’ll work it out to the end and then decide.
Is there a good site for information on the real policies of the minor parties? At the moment I have no idea about most of them.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
Thanks, I got the list and I’ve pulled out the groups I’m interested in. But as you say, for individual candidates it’s a bit of a bugger to find profiles. I did find a place that you can put together a how to vote list though:https://www.finder.com.au/senate-voting-card-creator
Although, now I think about it, I’ll go well beyond the 12 required and as long as I’ve gone as far as Labor, I might just stop and leave UAP and Pauline and LibDems with no vote at all from me. They would be down the end at 79 anyway. I’ll work it out to the end and then decide.
Is there a good site for information on the real policies of the minor parties? At the moment I have no idea about most of them.
Not that I’ve found. I’m presently googling the candidates names for the groups that fit with my personal thoughts. I didn’t realize the Australian Democrats was still going. I’ve also made a list of the ones that either don’t get a vote at all or are down the end. It’s a work in progress.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
Thanks, I got the list and I’ve pulled out the groups I’m interested in. But as you say, for individual candidates it’s a bit of a bugger to find profiles. I did find a place that you can put together a how to vote list though:https://www.finder.com.au/senate-voting-card-creator
Although, now I think about it, I’ll go well beyond the 12 required and as long as I’ve gone as far as Labor, I might just stop and leave UAP and Pauline and LibDems with no vote at all from me. They would be down the end at 79 anyway. I’ll work it out to the end and then decide.
Is there a good site for information on the real policies of the minor parties? At the moment I have no idea about most of them.
You only need to consider the major parties, Lib, ALP, ON, UAP.
The rest are pretty wacky.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
Thanks, I got the list and I’ve pulled out the groups I’m interested in. But as you say, for individual candidates it’s a bit of a bugger to find profiles. I did find a place that you can put together a how to vote list though:https://www.finder.com.au/senate-voting-card-creator
Although, now I think about it, I’ll go well beyond the 12 required and as long as I’ve gone as far as Labor, I might just stop and leave UAP and Pauline and LibDems with no vote at all from me. They would be down the end at 79 anyway. I’ll work it out to the end and then decide.
Is there a good site for information on the real policies of the minor parties? At the moment I have no idea about most of them.
You only need to consider the major parties, Lib, ALP, ON, UAP.
The rest are pretty wacky.
Except that a reasonable number aren’t. Do some actual research on them.
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
How many boxes do we need to number these days?
party_pants said:
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
How many boxes do we need to number these days?
6 up or 12 down
party_pants said:
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
How many boxes do we need to number these days?
6 Above the line or 12 below. You run out of shitty options much faster below the line. You can even fill more than 12 (or at least I could) for parties worth voting for.
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
we can assume they will get their country of birth details right.
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
we can assume they will get their country of birth details right.
heh
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
How many boxes do we need to number these days?
6 Above the line or 12 below. You run out of shitty options much faster below the line. You can even fill more than 12 (or at least I could) for parties worth voting for.
You can do this. I’m actually up to 17, looking for some more.
buffy said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:How many boxes do we need to number these days?
6 Above the line or 12 below. You run out of shitty options much faster below the line. You can even fill more than 12 (or at least I could) for parties worth voting for.
You can do this. I’m actually up to 17, looking for some more.
That’s when you start allocating 79 and up :)
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
we can assume they will get their country of birth details right.
I’d hazard a guess that there is a more than zero number of people with aboriginal heritage that were born over seas…
furious said:
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
And I just discovered that all four of the Victorian Greens Senate candidates are Aboriginal. Apparently this is history making. Anyway, I think I’ve got my numbering sorted for 1 through to about 20 now. I’ll faff about with some more names from the people not in parties and see if any of them are worthy.
we can assume they will get their country of birth details right.
I’d hazard a guess that there is a more than zero number of people with aboriginal heritage that were born over seas…
there is that islander fellow that was born in Port Moresby that this govt has tried to/has deported to New Guinea. But he was born back when NG and Aus was much of a muchness. Nowadays he is screwed.
Researching local candidates and came across this mob:
https://socialist-alliance.org/
While their policies are not surprising, their public acceptance that their goal is “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support” sounds like a decent one.
To be put on the “Shall think about it” pile.
Dark Orange said:
Researching local candidates and came across this mob:
https://socialist-alliance.org/
While their policies are not surprising, their public acceptance that their goal is “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support” sounds like a decent one.
To be put on the “Shall think about it” pile.
They also want to shut down ASIO and the other Oz spy agencies.
That’s fucking clueless.
So, after I’d gone through looking for information for all the unaligned ones, I found this. Any Victorians who haven’t thought about the Senate yet might find it useful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Geelong/comments/ub7zfp/senate_ballot/
Dark Orange said:
Researching local candidates and came across this mob:
https://socialist-alliance.org/
While their policies are not surprising, their public acceptance that their goal is “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support” sounds like a decent one.
To be put on the “Shall think about it” pile.
I put them in my “near the top” lot.
buffy said:
So, after I’d gone through looking for information for all the unaligned ones, I found this. Any Victorians who haven’t thought about the Senate yet might find it useful.https://www.reddit.com/r/Geelong/comments/ub7zfp/senate_ballot/
Ok, so cooker = crank/fuckwit etc. First time I’ve seen the usage.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
So, after I’d gone through looking for information for all the unaligned ones, I found this. Any Victorians who haven’t thought about the Senate yet might find it useful.https://www.reddit.com/r/Geelong/comments/ub7zfp/senate_ballot/
Ok, so cooker = crank/fuckwit etc. First time I’ve seen the usage.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
So, after I’d gone through looking for information for all the unaligned ones, I found this. Any Victorians who haven’t thought about the Senate yet might find it useful.https://www.reddit.com/r/Geelong/comments/ub7zfp/senate_ballot/
Ok, so cooker = crank/fuckwit etc. First time I’ve seen the usage.
I hadn’t seen it either, but it was pretty easy to work out.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
So, after I’d gone through looking for information for all the unaligned ones, I found this. Any Victorians who haven’t thought about the Senate yet might find it useful.https://www.reddit.com/r/Geelong/comments/ub7zfp/senate_ballot/
Ok, so cooker = crank/fuckwit etc. First time I’ve seen the usage.
I hadn’t seen it either, but it was pretty easy to work out.
From the context it took me approximately 37 ms to analyse, process and come to a conclusion :)
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8977-roy-morgan-poll-on-federal-voting-intention-may-2022-202205161214
Bogsnorkler said:
A uniform swing of this magnitude in Queensland would deliver the seats of Longman, Leichhardt, Dickson and Brisbane to the ALP. —-
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8977-roy-morgan-poll-on-federal-voting-intention-may-2022-202205161214
Please.
sarahs mum said:
Bogsnorkler said:A uniform swing of this magnitude in Queensland would deliver the seats of Longman, Leichhardt, Dickson and Brisbane to the ALP. —-
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8977-roy-morgan-poll-on-federal-voting-intention-may-2022-202205161214Please.
f this magnitude to the ALP would deliver the seat of Bass to the ALP.
—-
that’s Bridget Archer.
sibeen said:
Dark Orange said:Researching local candidates and came across this mob:
https://socialist-alliance.org/
While their policies are not surprising, their public acceptance that their goal is “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support “Kicking out Morrison and electing a minority Labor government dependent on Greens support” sounds like a decent one.
To be put on the “Shall think about it” pile.
They also want to shut down ASIO and the other Oz spy agencies.
That’s fucking clueless.
I have no idea how that got so munged up. But consider them removed from the “Shall think about it” pile.
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
I’ll get a good supply of democracy sausages in Coles on Thursday.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
I’ll get a good supply of democracy sausages in Coles on Thursday.
As posted in the other thread … do we add you to the list of pollsters, Mr Car?
AussieDJ said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
I’ll get a good supply of democracy sausages in Coles on Thursday.
As posted in the other thread … do we add you to the list of pollsters, Mr Car?
LABOR has actually been improving as a starter word for Wordle :)
By Saturday I might win it one.
Actually we should keep any Wordle spoilage out of other threads please.
Bubblecar said:
Actually we should keep any Wordle spoilage out of other threads please.
AussieDJ said:
Bubblecar said:
Actually we should keep any Wordle spoilage out of other threads please.
You’re correct. Streaker’s defence.
I’m afraid that I’ll have to refer it to the oversight committee on the morrow.
Fatso is promising pensioners an extra $180 a fortnight.
I do hope voters remember this.
And I spotted this yesterday. :)
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
What were the polls predicting 3 days out last time?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
What were the polls predicting 3 days out last time?
Here are the last week of polls for 2019.
Resolve Strategic has been a bit more Coalitiony than the major polling houses so don’t panic.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
What were the polls predicting 3 days out last time?
Here are the last week of polls for 2019.
Resolve Strategic has been a bit more Coalitiony than the major polling houses so don’t panic.
Thanks.
Let’s hope the additional margin this time is enough.
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Spiny Norman said:
I do hope voters remember this.
And I spotted this yesterday. :)
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Damn that’s a big poll.
Spiny Norman said:
I couldn’t find his most recent claims, but it looks like he made a lot of trips to Toowoomba in 2018:
Spiny Norman said:
Have you fact checked that?
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Have you fact checked that?
Nah.
But the LNP are very well known for rorts and waste like that.
Spiny Norman said:
For real?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
For real?
I’d be more surprised if it were fake.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
For real?
I’d be more surprised if it were fake.
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Have you fact checked that?
More general stuff on expenses claims (including Littleproud)
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/out-of-control-expenses-claims-made-by-federal-politicians,12227
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:For real?
I’d be more surprised if it were fake.
So only $5.50 per kilometre.
So cheap!
Spiny Norman said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:I’d be more surprised if it were fake.
So only $5.50 per kilometre.
So cheap!
But to be fair, that is a much better explanation, ta.
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:For real?
I’d be more surprised if it were fake.
Good work PWM.
Glad you were able to verify the story was factually correct.
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Do you have any more details on that one?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Do you have any more details on that one?
It’s not a real poll done by obscenely well paid professional pollsters.
It’s a bean poll and a clever piece of marketing.
https://muffinbreak.com.au/news/bean-poll-2022/
Peak Warming Man said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:For real?
I’d be more surprised if it were fake.
Yeah but that would only cost me a couple of hundred bucks.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Do you have any more details on that one?
It’s not a real poll done by obscenely well paid professional pollsters.
It’s a bean poll and a clever piece of marketing.
https://muffinbreak.com.au/news/bean-poll-2022/
So much for the latte sippers being all Labor supporting lefties.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Do you have any more details on that one?
It’s not a real poll done by obscenely well paid professional pollsters.
It’s a bean poll and a clever piece of marketing.
https://muffinbreak.com.au/news/bean-poll-2022/
I heard about it on the TAB Breakfast Sports programme on the wireless this morning.
Gerard Daffy was giving the NRL AFL Softball etc. betting markets and he also did the election market as well. In case you haven’t heard Gerard has been pretty crook, had a heart attack and was in hospital and caught covid while in there, nearly lost him.
He’s good now, says he’ll be back up to 140kg in no time.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Do you have any more details on that one?
It’s not a real poll done by obscenely well paid professional pollsters.
It’s a bean poll and a clever piece of marketing.
https://muffinbreak.com.au/news/bean-poll-2022/
It will be quite a turnaround for the Libs if it goes like that. They only got 27% in the last electionm
Since 2018, the Ravazzotti family has invested more than $200 million buying six cattle stations in the Top End, four of which are in the Beetaloo Basin.
“We couldn’t believe that someone would stoop to that level, to personally attack us,” she said.
Ms Ravazzotti and her partner, Pierre Langenhoven, moved to Australia from South Africa 22 years ago.
“We are Australian citizens, we absolutely love Australia and our lives are here,” she said.
All of the Country Liberal Party (CLP) candidates in this year’s federal election have appeared on the organisation’s Facebook page, wearing branded T-shirts.
This worried Ms Ravazzotti.
“Politicians are there to look after all of their constituents,” she said.“If they want to support one group, they need to come look at pastoralists and understand the challenges pastoralists are looking at as well.”
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
Betoota Advocate:
‘United Australia Commercial Causes Local Man To Lose Enough Brain Cells To Vote For Them
Unfortunately for Dean, before he was able to safely evacuate the room or change the channel, the ad was already in full swing and he was incapacitated for the full 30 second slot.
“I was watching a tv singing show. Yellow ad come on with noisy fat suit” explained Dean from his inpatient care facility.
“Battery no good on the remote. I try to run, but too late. Head hurting big now”.
Neurosurgeon Eric Bonnette says this is one of many cases of what he terms ‘instantaneous brain corrosion’ he has seen and warns it will not be the last. ‘
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
die
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
Bemoan the end of the universe as we know it for a few days, then get used to another 3 years of the same.
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
What you mean ‘we’, paleface?
I retire in 50 days.
I then sell my house on the market upswing brought about by the desperate raiding their super as per the L/NP plan, and go and live in NZ.
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:‘United Australia Commercial Causes Local Man To Lose Enough Brain Cells To Vote For Them
Unfortunately for Dean, before he was able to safely evacuate the room or change the channel, the ad was already in full swing and he was incapacitated for the full 30 second slot.
“I was watching a tv singing show. Yellow ad come on with noisy fat suit” explained Dean from his inpatient care facility.
“Battery no good on the remote. I try to run, but too late. Head hurting big now”.
Neurosurgeon Eric Bonnette says this is one of many cases of what he terms ‘instantaneous brain corrosion’ he has seen and warns it will not be the last. ‘
I’m beginning to fear that the UAP may have some electoral success this time.
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
We’d just have to accept that Australia is an evil place, keep our heads down and try to do good in our own lives.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
What you mean ‘we’, paleface?
I retire in 50 days.
I then sell my house on the market upswing brought about by the desperate raiding their super as per the L/NP plan, and go and live in NZ.
Lucky duck.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:‘United Australia Commercial Causes Local Man To Lose Enough Brain Cells To Vote For Them
Unfortunately for Dean, before he was able to safely evacuate the room or change the channel, the ad was already in full swing and he was incapacitated for the full 30 second slot.
“I was watching a tv singing show. Yellow ad come on with noisy fat suit” explained Dean from his inpatient care facility.
“Battery no good on the remote. I try to run, but too late. Head hurting big now”.
Neurosurgeon Eric Bonnette says this is one of many cases of what he terms ‘instantaneous brain corrosion’ he has seen and warns it will not be the last. ‘
I’m beginning to fear that the UAP may have some electoral success this time.
Surely Clive will have a coronary soon?
With him and Craig Kelly running that particular clown car, i then to think of the UAP as Two Fat Bastards.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
What you mean ‘we’, paleface?
I retire in 50 days.
I then sell my house on the market upswing brought about by the desperate raiding their super as per the L/NP plan, and go and live in NZ.
Lucky duck.
Or maybe Sweden. Mrs S can get Swedish passport.
She can also get a UK one, but, well..
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:‘United Australia Commercial Causes Local Man To Lose Enough Brain Cells To Vote For Them
Unfortunately for Dean, before he was able to safely evacuate the room or change the channel, the ad was already in full swing and he was incapacitated for the full 30 second slot.
“I was watching a tv singing show. Yellow ad come on with noisy fat suit” explained Dean from his inpatient care facility.
“Battery no good on the remote. I try to run, but too late. Head hurting big now”.
Neurosurgeon Eric Bonnette says this is one of many cases of what he terms ‘instantaneous brain corrosion’ he has seen and warns it will not be the last. ‘
I’m beginning to fear that the UAP may have some electoral success this time.
Surely Clive will have a coronary soon?
With him and Craig Kelly running that particular clown car, i then to think of the UAP as Two Fat Bastards.
‘tend to think’
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
A poll of over 500,000 voters has the coalition on 35% and the ALP on 33%.
Do you have any more details on that one?
It’s not a real poll done by obscenely well paid professional pollsters.
It’s a bean poll and a clever piece of marketing.
https://muffinbreak.com.au/news/bean-poll-2022/
you read muffinbreak franchise news?
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:
‘United Australia Commercial Causes Local Man To Lose Enough Brain Cells To Vote For Them
Unfortunately for Dean, before he was able to safely evacuate the room or change the channel, the ad was already in full swing and he was incapacitated for the full 30 second slot.
“I was watching a tv singing show. Yellow ad come on with noisy fat suit” explained Dean from his inpatient care facility.
“Battery no good on the remote. I try to run, but too late. Head hurting big now”.
Neurosurgeon Eric Bonnette says this is one of many cases of what he terms ‘instantaneous brain corrosion’ he has seen and warns it will not be the last. ‘
I’m beginning to fear that the UAP may have some electoral success this time.
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
life will go on as it always has…
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
So what do we do if the bad guys somehow manage to win again?
We’d just have to accept that Australia is an evil place, keep our heads down and try to do good in our own lives.
I’m less convinced that the LibNats winning a fair and democratic election makes Australia an evil place… which ever way it goes, the vote will be a few points either side of 50/50. That means the country is roughly split down the middle in terms of their preference for government.
Not sure of this is real or not..
From here
https://twitter.com/rachelmacg/status/1526499322103484416
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Betoota Advocate:‘United Australia Commercial Causes Local Man To Lose Enough Brain Cells To Vote For Them
Unfortunately for Dean, before he was able to safely evacuate the room or change the channel, the ad was already in full swing and he was incapacitated for the full 30 second slot.
“I was watching a tv singing show. Yellow ad come on with noisy fat suit” explained Dean from his inpatient care facility.
“Battery no good on the remote. I try to run, but too late. Head hurting big now”.
Neurosurgeon Eric Bonnette says this is one of many cases of what he terms ‘instantaneous brain corrosion’ he has seen and warns it will not be the last. ‘
I’m beginning to fear that the UAP may have some electoral success this time.
Surely Clive will have a coronary soon?
With him and Craig Kelly running that particular clown car, i then to think of the UAP as Two Fat Bastards.
Not to be confused with the Two Fat Ladies, who were entertaining cooks.
diddly-squat said:
Not sure of this is real or not..
From here
https://twitter.com/rachelmacg/status/1526499322103484416
It’d be serendipitous if real. I suspect shopped.
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:Not sure of this is real or not..
From here
https://twitter.com/rachelmacg/status/1526499322103484416
It’d be serendipitous if real. I suspect shopped.
Given that the apparent direction(s) of the light source(s).. yes
Still funny
diddly-squat said:
fair and democratic
Laugh Out Loud Remember When Informed Consent Was Informed
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Resolve Strategic have also put out their final poll of the campaign, 52-48 to Labor.
I’ll get a good supply of democracy sausages in Coles on Thursday.
Actually I’m not sure whether I should get some drinks and nibbles in to follow the election coverage on the night, or decide that it’s going to be too tense, and ignore it.
from Pollbludger
The final Essential Research poll for the campaign has Labor leading by 48% to 46% on the pollster’s “2PP+” measure, in from 49% to 45% a fortnight ago, with the remainder undecided. However, both the Coalition and Labor are steady on the primary vote at 36% and 35%, the change mostly being accounted for by respondent-allocated preferences. For the minor parties, the Greens are down one to 9%, One Nation is up one to 4%, the United Australia Party is down one to 3% and independents are up one to 6%. Leadership ratings are little changed: Scott Morrison is down one on approval to 43% and up one on disapproval to 49%, Anthony Albanese is up one to 42% and steady on 41%, and Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister moves from 40-36 to 40-37.
The West Australian today had a poll by Utting Research showing independent Kate Chaney leading Liberal member Celia Hammond in Curtin by 52-48 on two-candidate preferred, from primary votes of 38% for Hammond, 32% for Chaney, 13% for Labor, 9% for the Greens and 3% for the United Australia Party. The poll was conducted on Monday from a sample of 514.
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Damn, Curtin is the bluest of the blue, notionally one of the Libs’ safest seats.
I don’t know, I’m reluctant to place too much faith in the polling.
Hard to imagine that Murdoch and the rest of them are just going to give in to public opinion like that.
They may have engineered some sneaky way to keep the coalition in power.
Bubblecar said:
I don’t know, I’m reluctant to place too much faith in the polling.Hard to imagine that Murdoch and the rest of them are just going to give in to public opinion like that.
They may have engineered some sneaky way to keep the coalition in power.
I mean they are not being very sneaky. They are basically presenting opinion under the label of news:
https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/teal/13884036
But in any case the polls have tightened considerably in the final week and this is going to be a close election.
They might take out Antony Green in a drone attack.
There’s probably some obscure clause in the Constitution that says if Antony’s not there to call it, the Governor will have to declare the election null and void.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-18/anthony-albanese-press-club-address/101076710
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
roughbarked said:
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
So when will he be prosecuted?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
So when will he be prosecuted?
saturday.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
So when will he be prosecuted?
They are retired judges.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
So when will he be prosecuted?
They are retired judges.
So some kind of star chamber arrangement
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
So when will he be prosecuted?
They are retired judges.
Actually it is the second letter. Initially 16 judges wrote and now an extra 34 have added their names. link
The open letter states in part:
“A major cause of the current deterioration in trust is the suspicion that corruption permeates many governmental decisions and actions. Corruption, broadly understood in this context, occurs when those in public office place private interests over the public good. The avoidance of corruption is an essential organising principle of our representative democracy.”
“A National Integrity Commission is urgently needed to fill the gaps in our integrity system and restore trust in our democracy.”
The letter endorses the Australia Institute National Integrity Committee’s benchmark for the design of a National Integrity Commission, which includes a broad jurisdiction and strong investigative powers, including public hearings.
“The National Integrity Committee has established a benchmark for an effective federal anti-corruption body. It must have a broad jurisdiction, strong investigative powers and the ability to hold public hearings. Without public hearings, transparency and accountability cannot be achieved,” said The Hon Stephen Charles AO QC, Former Victorian Court of Appeal judge and adviser on IBAC design.
“It is time for the Federal Government to meet the current commitments from Labor, the Greens and independents, and establish a National Integrity Commission.
“Integrity and accountability are critical features of democracy. One would hope for bipartisan support of these issues,” said The Hon Anthony Whealy QC, Former NSW Court of Appeal and Supreme Court Judge.
“The establishment of a National Integrity Commission should be an urgent matter and we look forward to working with candidates and elected representatives from all parties to ensure Australia gets an anti-corruption body with the powers it needs to deliver.
“Australia Institute research shows 88% Australians support establishing an anti-corruption watchdog. It’s time for politics to help itself – a national integrity commission is crucial to restoring public confidence in our political institutions and our democracy,” said Ben Oquist, Executive Director of The Australia Institute.
The open letter published in the Sunday Age on 25 November 2018 can be viewed in full here
One Nation’s done pretty well in these late polls. Essential has them at 11% in Qld which means they should piss in a seat in the Senate.
Don’t expect the L/NP to back any Federal ICAC ever.
As someone said a while back, if there should ever be a body with the power to investigate what the L/NP got up to while in power, it would see them shunned at elections for the next couple of decades. At least.
so is there général agreement now that corruption is a major feature of current Australian politics
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
I saw on the ABC that fifty retired judges have written to the PM informing him that a federal integrity commission is vital and informed him that he has been criminally negligent of integrity.
So when will he be prosecuted?
saturday.
like how the other guy got impeached and that totally carried through yeah
SCIENCE said:
so is there général agreement now that corruption is a major feature of current Australian politics
more or less defined by it.
dv said:
One Nation’s done pretty well in these late polls. Essential has them at 11% in Qld which means they should piss in a seat in the Senate.
Sounds like something Troy Buswell would do.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
So when will he be prosecuted?
saturday.
like how the other guy got impeached and that totally carried through yeah
I’ll be happy if he just f***s off back to Hawaii and is never seen or heard of again.
So I went to vote today, only to find I was enrolled at an old address in a different electorate. Went home to check the options – the main 3, plus Katter, and an individual who has run in a different electorate in each of the last 3 elections.
Cock and balls seems the best option.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Bogsnorkler said:
saturday.
like how the other guy got impeached and that totally carried through yeah
I’ll be happy if he just f***s off back to Hawaii and is never seen or heard of again.
Do the “Harold Holt”?
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
so is there général agreement now that corruption is a major feature of current Australian politics
more or less defined by it.
Didn’t it start with the Rum Corps?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Bogsnorkler said:
saturday.
like how the other guy got impeached and that totally carried through yeah
I’ll be happy if he just f***s off back to Hawaii and is never seen or heard of again.
Oh wouldn’t that be luvverly, luvverly
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
One Nation’s done pretty well in these late polls. Essential has them at 11% in Qld which means they should piss in a seat in the Senate.Sounds like something Troy Buswell would do.
heh
The Liberal Government
last minute pitch from Friendly Jordies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJZrw7PhWds
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:like how the other guy got impeached and that totally carried through yeah
I’ll be happy if he just f***s off back to Hawaii and is never seen or heard of again.
Do the “Harold Holt”?
We couldn’t encourage tourists to come to Australian beaches for a couple of years after HH disappeared.
dv said:
One Nation’s done pretty well in these late polls. Essential has them at 11% in Qld which means they should piss in a seat in the Senate.
so all we need is 11% worth of preferences to flow to Corruption and we have a winner yet again
So previously I said that if the polling average in the last week was 54-46, then we could probably consider it all over, but that if it was 53-47 or closer then we have a live game, due to systematic polling error, plus “lag”, plus unexpected break of the undecideds, plus the “configurational advantage” that the Coalition has in the parliament at present (going by the margins they probably only need 49-51 to win). Then the Teal threat emerged and a lot more notionally safe seats for the Coalition started to look iffy.
The gap between the final polling average in 2019 and the actual result was 3.2%. That was considered the worst polling error since the 1980s. Is it likely to be repeated? Is it possible that it would be even worse? What the pollsters corrected their mistakes? IDK. The South Australian and Western Australian elections were picked quite well but that’s a different kettle.
The three polls so far this week are Roy Morgan (53-47), Essential Research (48-46, 6 undecided), Resolve Strategic (52-48). All of them have become closer over the last week. There are two major polls to come: News, and Ipsos.
Today’s update is, “Yes, I am a bulldozer. And actually, people love it.”
“I have been very conscious about my approach for a very long time, and I have to tell you in the roles I have had it has served the country extremely well,” explained the PM, on location in a receptive if bemused Geelong housing estate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-18/election-2022-morrison-albanese-press-club-costings/101078532
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
so is there général agreement now that corruption is a major feature of current Australian politics
more or less defined by it.
Though still low by most standards.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:like how the other guy got impeached and that totally carried through yeah
I’ll be happy if he just f***s off back to Hawaii and is never seen or heard of again.
Do the “Harold Holt”?
He has a family, so i don’t want him dead or anything like that.
Just gone. Never to return.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
so is there général agreement now that corruption is a major feature of current Australian politics
more or less defined by it.
Though still low by most standards.
do worry, our PM is just warming up.
dv said:
So previously I said that if the polling average in the last week was 54-46, then we could probably consider it all over, but that if it was 53-47 or closer then we have a live game, due to systematic polling error, plus “lag”, plus unexpected break of the undecideds, plus the “configurational advantage” that the Coalition has in the parliament at present (going by the margins they probably only need 49-51 to win). Then the Teal threat emerged and a lot more notionally safe seats for the Coalition started to look iffy.The gap between the final polling average in 2019 and the actual result was 3.2%. That was considered the worst polling error since the 1980s. Is it likely to be repeated? Is it possible that it would be even worse? What the pollsters corrected their mistakes? IDK. The South Australian and Western Australian elections were picked quite well but that’s a different kettle.
The three polls so far this week are Roy Morgan (53-47), Essential Research (48-46, 6 undecided), Resolve Strategic (52-48). All of them have become closer over the last week. There are two major polls to come: News, and Ipsos.
Ta for the warning.
Looks like election night will be too tense for me to watch the coverage.
Bogsnorkler said:
do worry, our PM is just warming up.
I’ve said it before: if the Australian electorate puts Morrison in The Lodge for another term, then it’ll deserve every damn thing it gets.
And it’ll get plenty. The tribe of thieves and swindlers that he calls his ‘government’ will see it as their last chance for a final smash-and-grab, to put the lower classes firmly in their subservient, docile, povert-ridden place, and to do the really big favours for whatever industry they see as being their landing pad outside of politics.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So previously I said that if the polling average in the last week was 54-46, then we could probably consider it all over, but that if it was 53-47 or closer then we have a live game, due to systematic polling error, plus “lag”, plus unexpected break of the undecideds, plus the “configurational advantage” that the Coalition has in the parliament at present (going by the margins they probably only need 49-51 to win). Then the Teal threat emerged and a lot more notionally safe seats for the Coalition started to look iffy.The gap between the final polling average in 2019 and the actual result was 3.2%. That was considered the worst polling error since the 1980s. Is it likely to be repeated? Is it possible that it would be even worse? What the pollsters corrected their mistakes? IDK. The South Australian and Western Australian elections were picked quite well but that’s a different kettle.
The three polls so far this week are Roy Morgan (53-47), Essential Research (48-46, 6 undecided), Resolve Strategic (52-48). All of them have become closer over the last week. There are two major polls to come: News, and Ipsos.
Ta for the warning.
Looks like election night will be too tense for me to watch the coverage.
Drink a pink-gin for every Labor win and if it all goes bad you’ll be too sloshed to care.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Drink a pink-gin for every Labor win and if it all goes bad you’ll be too sloshed to care.
I think i’d rather take a drink for every L/NP win, and hope to finish the night more or less sober.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So previously I said that if the polling average in the last week was 54-46, then we could probably consider it all over, but that if it was 53-47 or closer then we have a live game, due to systematic polling error, plus “lag”, plus unexpected break of the undecideds, plus the “configurational advantage” that the Coalition has in the parliament at present (going by the margins they probably only need 49-51 to win). Then the Teal threat emerged and a lot more notionally safe seats for the Coalition started to look iffy.The gap between the final polling average in 2019 and the actual result was 3.2%. That was considered the worst polling error since the 1980s. Is it likely to be repeated? Is it possible that it would be even worse? What the pollsters corrected their mistakes? IDK. The South Australian and Western Australian elections were picked quite well but that’s a different kettle.
The three polls so far this week are Roy Morgan (53-47), Essential Research (48-46, 6 undecided), Resolve Strategic (52-48). All of them have become closer over the last week. There are two major polls to come: News, and Ipsos.
Ta for the warning.
Looks like election night will be too tense for me to watch the coverage.
Drink a pink-gin for every Labor win and if it all goes bad you’ll be too sloshed to care.
I’ll be reading and watching DVDs.
I might look up the result online in the wee hours.
I just voted, so we can probs call it now
re. the second piechart some clown from the ‘Herald Sun’ must have started working at ‘The Age’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
re. the second piechart some clown from the ‘Herald Sun’ must have started working at ‘The Age’.
FMD …
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.
Too much.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So previously I said that if the polling average in the last week was 54-46, then we could probably consider it all over, but that if it was 53-47 or closer then we have a live game, due to systematic polling error, plus “lag”, plus unexpected break of the undecideds, plus the “configurational advantage” that the Coalition has in the parliament at present (going by the margins they probably only need 49-51 to win). Then the Teal threat emerged and a lot more notionally safe seats for the Coalition started to look iffy.The gap between the final polling average in 2019 and the actual result was 3.2%. That was considered the worst polling error since the 1980s. Is it likely to be repeated? Is it possible that it would be even worse? What the pollsters corrected their mistakes? IDK. The South Australian and Western Australian elections were picked quite well but that’s a different kettle.
The three polls so far this week are Roy Morgan (53-47), Essential Research (48-46, 6 undecided), Resolve Strategic (52-48). All of them have become closer over the last week. There are two major polls to come: News, and Ipsos.
Ta for the warning.
Looks like election night will be too tense for me to watch the coverage.
You vote now?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
re. the second piechart some clown from the ‘Herald Sun’ must have started working at ‘The Age’.
FMD …
no even if you were sober, sunshine.
sarahs mum said:
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.Too much.
Care to pass on her number so I can call her masquerading as the ‘government’ which has been monitoring her calls…
sarahs mum said:
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.Too much.
pro vaxxer.
I’m the evil pro vaxxer.
poikilotherm said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
So previously I said that if the polling average in the last week was 54-46, then we could probably consider it all over, but that if it was 53-47 or closer then we have a live game, due to systematic polling error, plus “lag”, plus unexpected break of the undecideds, plus the “configurational advantage” that the Coalition has in the parliament at present (going by the margins they probably only need 49-51 to win). Then the Teal threat emerged and a lot more notionally safe seats for the Coalition started to look iffy.The gap between the final polling average in 2019 and the actual result was 3.2%. That was considered the worst polling error since the 1980s. Is it likely to be repeated? Is it possible that it would be even worse? What the pollsters corrected their mistakes? IDK. The South Australian and Western Australian elections were picked quite well but that’s a different kettle.
The three polls so far this week are Roy Morgan (53-47), Essential Research (48-46, 6 undecided), Resolve Strategic (52-48). All of them have become closer over the last week. There are two major polls to come: News, and Ipsos.
Ta for the warning.
Looks like election night will be too tense for me to watch the coverage.
You vote now?
Car would pass out if he were put through the pressure of actually voting.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.Too much.
Care to pass on her number so I can call her masquerading as the ‘government’ which has been monitoring her calls…
:)
Can you imagine the gossip in Nimbin tomorrow!
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.Too much.
pro vaxxer.
I’m the evil pro vaxxer.
You did have me confused.
sarahs mum said:
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.Too much.
I wonder if there are many people who hold only ONE of those stances and not the others… they seem to be comorbidities.
So I’m zooming a ‘scrutineer training’ session and the first timers have a few too many questions. The dirge it hurts…
Witty Rejoinder said:
So I’m zooming a ‘scrutineer training’ session and the first timers have a few too many questions. The dirge it hurts…
did you try telling them to shut the fuck up?
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
So I’m zooming a ‘scrutineer training’ session and the first timers have a few too many questions. The dirge it hurts…
did you try telling them to shut the fuck up?
I’ll send some union heavies to go rough them up. It’s the Labor way.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
So I’m zooming a ‘scrutineer training’ session and the first timers have a few too many questions. The dirge it hurts…
did you try telling them to shut the fuck up?
I’ll send some union heavies to go rough them up. It’s the Labor way.
Hardly, most of the unions are more interested in slopping in the Super trough these days.
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:did you try telling them to shut the fuck up?
I’ll send some union heavies to go rough them up. It’s the Labor way.
Hardly, most of the unions are more interested in slopping in the Super trough these days.
You do say that…
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I’ll send some union heavies to go rough them up. It’s the Labor way.
Hardly, most of the unions are more interested in slopping in the Super trough these days.
You do say that…
…often.
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I’ll send some union heavies to go rough them up. It’s the Labor way.
Hardly, most of the unions are more interested in slopping in the Super trough these days.
You do say that…
Not just me, these kooks as well;
https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/the-seeds-of-australia-s-politicised-industry-super-system-20211120-p59ald
“Teal” is my word du jour.
Teal………….. Teal……….. Teal…….
I now feel all up to date with my politics.
Teal…………… Teal…….
Oh I said it again!!! 😮😮😎
Teal…….. hehehehe
Teal. ARRRGH!! I couldn’t help myself. That one just slipped out!😁
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:Hardly, most of the unions are more interested in slopping in the Super trough these days.
You do say that…
Not just me, these kooks as well;
https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/the-seeds-of-australia-s-politicised-industry-super-system-20211120-p59ald
That doesn’t mean that workplace rights aren’t the bread and butter of the union movement.
Woodie said:
“Teal” is my word du jour.Teal………….. Teal……….. Teal…….
I now feel all up to date with my politics.
Teal…………… Teal…….
Oh I said it again!!! 😮😮😎
Teal…….. hehehehe
Teal. ARRRGH!! I couldn’t help myself. That one just slipped out!😁
Any tealies up your way?
Woodie said:
“Teal” is my word du jour.Teal………….. Teal……….. Teal…….
I now feel all up to date with my politics.
Teal…………… Teal…….
Oh I said it again!!! 😮😮😎
Teal…….. hehehehe
Teal. ARRRGH!! I couldn’t help myself. That one just slipped out!😁
But all the independents are not teal. Teal is now being used as an unsult.
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
“Teal” is my word du jour.Teal………….. Teal……….. Teal…….
I now feel all up to date with my politics.
Teal…………… Teal…….
Oh I said it again!!! 😮😮😎
Teal…….. hehehehe
Teal. ARRRGH!! I couldn’t help myself. That one just slipped out!😁
But all the independents are not teal. Teal is now being used as an unsult.
if it quacks like a duck…
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You do say that…
Not just me, these kooks as well;
https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/the-seeds-of-australia-s-politicised-industry-super-system-20211120-p59ald
That doesn’t mean that workplace rights aren’t the bread and butter of the union movement.
yep, you rarely hear sally mcmanus go on about super funds.
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You do say that…
Not just me, these kooks as well;
https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/the-seeds-of-australia-s-politicised-industry-super-system-20211120-p59ald
That doesn’t mean that workplace rights aren’t the bread and butter of the union movement.
That’s the marketing section.
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January … school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April … too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
September football finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December … Chrismas.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
May might be good actually. It gives people time to consider the budget, and it also means you can elect senators in time to take their places on 1 Jul.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
Belay that… This zoom is making me stoopid.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
Yes, but we can stagger them if they are all on a 4 year cycle.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
Belay that… This zoom is making me stoopid.
abolish them
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
May might be good actually. It gives people time to consider the budget, and it also means you can elect senators in time to take their places on 1 Jul.
just do it on invasion day
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
just turn the camera to face the television who cares
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
Just turn your camera off and leave.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Just hung up on Margaret. I’m an anti vaxxer and I am wrong. Pauline Hanson and world war 2. Her father and Pauline fighting for her freedom.Too much.
Care to pass on her number so I can call her masquerading as the ‘government’ which has been monitoring her calls…
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Hey if Australia does go for 4 year fixed terms, when would be the right time of year to hold them?
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
That’s the other question. Where in the four year cycle should it be placed?
Nov 2022 Victoria
March 2023 NSW
Aug 2024 NT
Oct 2024 Qld
Oct 2024 ACT
March 2025 WA
March 2026 SA
I’m thinking it would be good to have it not too close to any of the state elections. May 2024 might be a good kind of slot.
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
Just turn your camera off and leave.
In this age of wonders I can quietly attend meetings on one screen and watch the tail-end of ‘H&A’ on another.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
It’s rude to watch Big Brother.
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
Just turn your camera off and leave.
In this age of wonders I can quietly attend meetings on one screen and watch the tail-end of ‘H&A’ on another.
home and away?
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
It’s rude to watch Big Brother.
You’re doubleplus ungood.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
poikilotherm said:Just turn your camera off and leave.
In this age of wonders I can quietly attend meetings on one screen and watch the tail-end of ‘H&A’ on another.
home and away?
Yes. It always runs late.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
It’s rude to watch Big Brother.
ratioed
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:In this age of wonders I can quietly attend meetings on one screen and watch the tail-end of ‘H&A’ on another.
home and away?
Yes. It always runs late.
JFC you watch some crap.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:home and away?
Yes. It always runs late.
JFC you watch some crap.
I’m a voyeur when it comes to reality tv.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/she-s-just-lovely-jenny-morrison-joins-scott-morrison-on-the-campaign-trail-20220518-p5amce.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yes. It always runs late.
JFC you watch some crap.
I’m a voyeur when it comes to reality tv.
But then again I consider ‘MAFS’ beyond the pale. And never watched ‘The Voice’, ‘IACGMOOH’, ‘Batchelor/ette’ or ‘DWTS’
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is it rude to tap my watch pointedly on a zoom meeting… ‘Big Brother’ is starting…
Just start crying to be fed.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:JFC you watch some crap.
I’m a voyeur when it comes to reality tv.
But then again I consider ‘MAFS’ beyond the pale. And never watched ‘The Voice’, ‘IACGMOOH’, ‘Batchelor/ette’ or ‘DWTS’
well, it is nice to know you have some standards.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/she-s-just-lovely-jenny-morrison-joins-scott-morrison-on-the-campaign-trail-20220518-p5amce.html
the comments aren’t kind. on the whole.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
January… school holiday season
February … maybe late Feb, don’t want to clash with back to school.
March .. early March. Late March might clash with Easter.
April… too much risk of clashing with Easter or ANZAC Day
May … possible
June … possible (bear in mind PHs in most states.
July … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
August … possible, but likely to be cold or rainy.
Septemberfootball finals
October … possible, but not on Bathurst weekend.
November.. possible
December… Chrismas.
You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
That’s the other question. Where in the four year cycle should it be placed?
Nov 2022 Victoria
March 2023 NSW
Aug 2024 NT
Oct 2024 Qld
Oct 2024 ACT
March 2025 WA
March 2026 SAI’m thinking it would be good to have it not too close to any of the state elections. May 2024 might be a good kind of slot.
When’s a good time to hold the referendum on that?
https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/national/more-strange-behaviour-from-albanese-in-press-conferences/video/a703545fa4d13276794b497419815e83
McGowan not impressed with Albo, quite odd.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
That’s the other question. Where in the four year cycle should it be placed?
Nov 2022 Victoria
March 2023 NSW
Aug 2024 NT
Oct 2024 Qld
Oct 2024 ACT
March 2025 WA
March 2026 SAI’m thinking it would be good to have it not too close to any of the state elections. May 2024 might be a good kind of slot.
When’s a good time to hold the referendum on that?
check with pwm
Peak Warming Man said:
https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/national/more-strange-behaviour-from-albanese-in-press-conferences/video/a703545fa4d13276794b497419815e83McGowan not impressed with Albo, quite odd.
Does ‘Skynews’ pay you a stipend?
party_pants said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’ve forgotten all the dates already used for fixed state election campaigns.
That’s the other question. Where in the four year cycle should it be placed?
Nov 2022 Victoria
March 2023 NSW
Aug 2024 NT
Oct 2024 Qld
Oct 2024 ACT
March 2025 WA
March 2026 SAI’m thinking it would be good to have it not too close to any of the state elections. May 2024 might be a good kind of slot.
When’s a good time to hold the referendum on that?
What about after Friday prayers?
Three more sleeps
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
dv said:That’s the other question. Where in the four year cycle should it be placed?
Nov 2022 Victoria
March 2023 NSW
Aug 2024 NT
Oct 2024 Qld
Oct 2024 ACT
March 2025 WA
March 2026 SAI’m thinking it would be good to have it not too close to any of the state elections. May 2024 might be a good kind of slot.
When’s a good time to hold the referendum on that?
What about after Friday prayers?
Technically a Thursday afternoon is “before Friday prayers”.
dv said:
Three more sleeps
That probably doesn’t apply to Bubblecar.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Three more sleeps
That probably doesn’t apply to Bubblecar.
He maintains a feline state of awareness
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
They are the nearest to your set of policy preferences, I think is what they are trying to tell you. You don’t have to identify with any party as such.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
Most Greens supporters are confused…
runs away
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
That could well be the aim.
According to the ABC thingy I’m a communist.
Peak Warming Man said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
That could well be the aim.
According to the ABC thingy I’m a communist.
ahh if only i was also then I could feel ok about it.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
Embrace your destiny
dv said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
Embrace your destiny
I would/will gladly do so but it just feels weird. I’m struggling to work out if it me that has changed or the labor party or perhaps both.
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
dv said:
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
So according to two separate online political thingies I’m am a Greenie. I however don’t Identify as a green so I’m a bit confused.
Embrace your destiny
I would/will gladly do so but it just feels weird. I’m struggling to work out if it me that has changed or the labor party or perhaps both.
You’ve changed…man.
Just watched Charlie Pickering. ABC might get into trouble “endorsing” Max Dicks like that. I enjoyed it though.
More than 30 retired judges call for ‘urgently needed’ federal Icac.
Eminent jurists say ahead of election that watchdog crucial to halt ‘serious erosion’ of democratic principles and restore trust in politics.
Thirty-one retired judges have issued a pre-election plea to Australia’s political leaders to urgently establish a strong anti-corruption commission, warning it is critical in reversing the “serious erosion of our shared democratic principles”.
In a letter sent to Scott Morrison, Anthony Albanese and the leaders of the Greens, One Nation and the United Australia Party on Wednesday, the judges say the case for an effective national integrity commission “remains impregnable”.
“Without the commission we envisage, the right of Australians to have their taxes employed for the maximum national advantage will not always prevail over the corrupt exercise of power,” their letter reads.
“We are retired judges who believe that a National Integrity Commission is urgently needed to fill the gaps in our integrity system and restore trust in our political processes. Nothing less than halting the serious erosion of our shared democratic principles is at stake.”
Spiny Norman said:
More than 30 retired judges call for ‘urgently needed’ federal Icac.Eminent jurists say ahead of election that watchdog crucial to halt ‘serious erosion’ of democratic principles and restore trust in politics.
Thirty-one retired judges have issued a pre-election plea to Australia’s political leaders to urgently establish a strong anti-corruption commission, warning it is critical in reversing the “serious erosion of our shared democratic principles”.
In a letter sent to Scott Morrison, Anthony Albanese and the leaders of the Greens, One Nation and the United Australia Party on Wednesday, the judges say the case for an effective national integrity commission “remains impregnable”.
“Without the commission we envisage, the right of Australians to have their taxes employed for the maximum national advantage will not always prevail over the corrupt exercise of power,” their letter reads.
“We are retired judges who believe that a National Integrity Commission is urgently needed to fill the gaps in our integrity system and restore trust in our political processes. Nothing less than halting the serious erosion of our shared democratic principles is at stake.”
It may be just me, but I find the use of “remains impregnable” to be quite strange in that context.
I wonder whether now is a good time to rewatch Don’s party?
sibeen said:
Spiny Norman said:
More than 30 retired judges call for ‘urgently needed’ federal Icac.Eminent jurists say ahead of election that watchdog crucial to halt ‘serious erosion’ of democratic principles and restore trust in politics.
Thirty-one retired judges have issued a pre-election plea to Australia’s political leaders to urgently establish a strong anti-corruption commission, warning it is critical in reversing the “serious erosion of our shared democratic principles”.
In a letter sent to Scott Morrison, Anthony Albanese and the leaders of the Greens, One Nation and the United Australia Party on Wednesday, the judges say the case for an effective national integrity commission “remains impregnable”.
“Without the commission we envisage, the right of Australians to have their taxes employed for the maximum national advantage will not always prevail over the corrupt exercise of power,” their letter reads.
“We are retired judges who believe that a National Integrity Commission is urgently needed to fill the gaps in our integrity system and restore trust in our political processes. Nothing less than halting the serious erosion of our shared democratic principles is at stake.”
It may be just me, but I find the use of “remains impregnable” to be quite strange in that context.
just means can’t get into, can’t get near, and i’m sure it’s not suggesting the culture its absence makes possible doesn’t render it impregnable, i’m sure it doesn’t, it couldn’t, that remains means that
Spiny Norman said:
More than 30 retired judges call for ‘urgently needed’ federal Icac.Eminent jurists say ahead of election that watchdog crucial to halt ‘serious erosion’ of democratic principles and restore trust in politics.
Thirty-one retired judges have issued a pre-election plea to Australia’s political leaders to urgently establish a strong anti-corruption commission, warning it is critical in reversing the “serious erosion of our shared democratic principles”.
In a letter sent to Scott Morrison, Anthony Albanese and the leaders of the Greens, One Nation and the United Australia Party on Wednesday, the judges say the case for an effective national integrity commission “remains impregnable”.
“Without the commission we envisage, the right of Australians to have their taxes employed for the maximum national advantage will not always prevail over the corrupt exercise of power,” their letter reads.
“We are retired judges who believe that a National Integrity Commission is urgently needed to fill the gaps in our integrity system and restore trust in our political processes. Nothing less than halting the serious erosion of our shared democratic principles is at stake.”
It doesn’t look edible.
In Communist Victoria, Propaganda Favors [sic] The Fascists
SCIENCE said:
In Communist Victoria, Propaganda Favors [sic] The Fascists
But isn’t she the bitch who foced Scomo to leave the country and let it burn?
Bridget McKenzie’s office is accused of using campaign letterheads to spruik infrastructure upgrades as government achievements.(ABC News: Ian Cutmore)
Some of Australia’s largest telecommunications companies are frustrated the Coalition is dragging them into its re-election bid, with the government trumpeting 100 infrastructure investments which are partly funded by private companies.
SCIENCE said:
In Communist Victoria, Propaganda Favors [sic] The Fascists
I think I’d still vote Labor (sic)
Time for dicks.
https://www.facebook.com/vote1maxdicks/videos/790864895231810/
Dark Orange said:
Time for dicks.
https://www.facebook.com/vote1maxdicks/videos/790864895231810/
https://www.vote1maxdicks.com.au/meet-max
Dark Orange said:
Time for dicks.
https://www.facebook.com/vote1maxdicks/videos/790864895231810/
Saw that on the show last night. Loved it. But I wonder if someone at the ABC might get into trouble for endorsing a candidate.
buffy said:
Dark Orange said:Time for dicks.
https://www.facebook.com/vote1maxdicks/videos/790864895231810/
Saw that on the show last night. Loved it. But I wonder if someone at the ABC might get into trouble for endorsing a candidate.
Were they specifically endorsing him, do you think?
Found another listing of Victorian Senate candidates, with links to websites where available.
http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/2022guide/senate/senatevic.shtml
I wonder how many votes they get?
Federal Icac Now
The name pretty much sums it up. As the party says, it is “a single-issue party and that issue is anti-corruption”. It wants a national Icac, to limit donations to political parties, real-time disclosure of donations, and to restrict politicians from being appointed to government positions or commercial businesses connected to their former portfolios.
SCIENCE said:
In Communist Victoria, Propaganda Favors [sic] The Fascists
I know Forrest Gump spoke highly of her.
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
Maybe put a couple of books under the short legs?
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
Lyons is the biggest seat in the state area-wise. Dick Adams (Labor) held it for many years, then it briefly went Liberal before returning to Labor under Brian Mitchell.
Bubblecar said:
Lyons is the biggest seat in the state area-wise. Dick Adams (Labor) held it for many years, then it briefly went Liberal before returning to Labor under Brian Mitchell.
So shouldn’t you do the right and proper thing and enrol to vote so you can keep it that way?
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My seat (Kennedy) is KAP and is on the vertical part of the graph, surrounded by LNP seats.
101 out of 151.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Lyons is the biggest seat in the state area-wise. Dick Adams (Labor) held it for many years, then it briefly went Liberal before returning to Labor under Brian Mitchell.
So shouldn’t you do the right and proper thing and enrol to vote so you can keep it that way?
I’d have to become an Australian citizen first.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Lyons is the biggest seat in the state area-wise. Dick Adams (Labor) held it for many years, then it briefly went Liberal before returning to Labor under Brian Mitchell.
So shouldn’t you do the right and proper thing and enrol to vote so you can keep it that way?
I’d have to become an Australian citizen first.
Well get a move on then.
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My seat (Kennedy) is KAP and is on the vertical part of the graph, surrounded by LNP seats.101 out of 151.
38 up from the bottom here.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:My seat (Kennedy) is KAP and is on the vertical part of the graph, surrounded by LNP seats.
101 out of 151.
38 up from the bottom here.
Is Zali going to retain the seat?
Hot competition for stupidest election ad today:
UAP is saying that Labor are giving thier preferences to LibNats ahead of UAP, so “a vote for Labor is a vote for Coalition”.
The Australian Christian Lobby have a full page ad with pictures of Fiona Martin, Trent Zimmerman, Dave Sharma, and Zali Steggal saying that thet VOTED AGAINST RELIGIOUS SHOOLS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THEIR ATTACKS ON FAITH COMMUNITIES?
I am now off to look these people up to see if I can vote for any of them.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
Michael V said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
whispers It’s your whole State whispers
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:101 out of 151.
38 up from the bottom here.
Is Zali going to retain the seat?
Zali is Warringah. I’m in Berowra.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
whispers It’s your whole State whispers
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
whispers It’s your whole State whispers
It seems like that. Sad, really.
Breaking News!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:38 up from the bottom here.
Is Zali going to retain the seat?
Zali is Warringah. I’m in Berowra.
Ahh. Someone cannot count, and it ain’t the Rev :)
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Covid complains.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Hot competition for stupidest election ad today:UAP is saying that Labor are giving thier preferences to LibNats ahead of UAP, so “a vote for Labor is a vote for Coalition”.
The Australian Christian Lobby have a full page ad with pictures of Fiona Martin, Trent Zimmerman, Dave Sharma, and Zali Steggal saying that thet VOTED AGAINST RELIGIOUS SHOOLS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THEIR ATTACKS ON FAITH COMMUNITIES?
I am now off to look these people up to see if I can vote for any of them.
So they are all lower house, and apart from Zali are all Libs anyway.
Forrest, pretty right.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
sibeen said:So, it’s a bit of a swing seat then.
My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
whispers It’s your whole State whispers
We can vote in a Labor state government and then vote in our droves for a Liberal fed government.
We’re pretty sofisticated in Qld.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
whispers It’s your whole State whispers
We can vote in a Labor state government and then vote in our droves for a Liberal fed government.
We’re pretty sofisticated in Qld.
So you vote in Qld rather than NSW?
or both?
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
Michael V said:My electorate is up there with the Full Nazis.
whispers It’s your whole State whispers
We can vote in a Labor state government and then vote in our droves for a Liberal fed government.
We’re pretty sofisticated in Qld.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:whispers It’s your whole State whispers
We can vote in a Labor state government and then vote in our droves for a Liberal fed government.
We’re pretty sofisticated in Qld.So you vote in Qld rather than NSW?
or both?
I live in Brisbane, I have a property in NSW.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:We can vote in a Labor state government and then vote in our droves for a Liberal fed government.
We’re pretty sofisticated in Qld.So you vote in Qld rather than NSW?
or both?
I live in Brisbane, I have a property in NSW.
Putting old 4WDs out to pasture.
It has always been a safe non-Labor seat, alternating between the Liberal Party and the National Party. All four of its members have gone on to serve in cabinet, most notably Tim Fischer, leader of the National Party from 1990 to 1999 and Deputy Prime Minister from 1996 to 1999 during the first half of the Howard Government.
Well it wasn’t so safe non Labor when my bit was called Riverina.
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Well that’ll surely create a new mutant variant strain, if ever there was, hey what but.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Well that’ll surely create a new mutant variant strain, if ever there was, hey what but.
she must hate having a foreign body in her body.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Well that’ll surely create a new mutant variant strain, if ever there was, hey what but.
Let us pray that it sticks to the one in the nation.
Bogsnorkler said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Well that’ll surely create a new mutant variant strain, if ever there was, hey what but.
she must hate having a foreign body in her body.
Why now she can call herself one world.
Bogsnorkler said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Well that’ll surely create a new mutant variant strain, if ever there was, hey what but.
she must hate having a foreign body in her body.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
I’m in Wannon, which is pretty blue. Although Auntie Annie wanted to talk voting in the car and I discovered, to my surprise, that she really dislikes ScoMo et al. I may have been a tad cheeky suggesting she should vote for Alex Dyson (standing as an independent here) but her response was “Is he nice? Got to be better than Dan Tehan.” You never know. I’ve been very surprised about some people around here lately. We might even swing.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Breaking News!https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/pauline-hanson-tests-positive-to-covid/101080146
Well that’ll surely create a new mutant variant strain, if ever there was, hey what but.
ABC news included that she is unvaccinated.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
I’m in Wannon, which is pretty blue. Although Auntie Annie wanted to talk voting in the car and I discovered, to my surprise, that she really dislikes ScoMo et al. I may have been a tad cheeky suggesting she should vote for Alex Dyson (standing as an independent here) but her response was “Is he nice? Got to be better than Dan Tehan.” You never know. I’ve been very surprised about some people around here lately. We might even swing.
From the ABC data you’re actually getting quite close to be a swinging electorate. #90 out of 151, with 151 being strong right and #1 being the communist hellhlole that I live in.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
I’m living in Australia’s most left leaning seat.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/which-electorates-are-most-left-and-right-leaning-vote-compass/101078018
My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
I’m in Wannon, which is pretty blue. Although Auntie Annie wanted to talk voting in the car and I discovered, to my surprise, that she really dislikes ScoMo et al. I may have been a tad cheeky suggesting she should vote for Alex Dyson (standing as an independent here) but her response was “Is he nice? Got to be better than Dan Tehan.” You never know. I’ve been very surprised about some people around here lately. We might even swing.
I would have thought Franklin to be more left than Clark. But I suppose there is the logging enthusiasts in Franklin’s south.
Just received a UAP sms about this WHO pact:
https://uap-craigkelly.com.au/
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442
Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442
Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
only superior economic management can handle the complexities of Schroedinger unemployment
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
“Australian unemployment jumps to 9.7% in April; highest since July 2021 “
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442
Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
only superior economic management can handle the complexities of Schroedinger unemployment
No it’s easy.
Don’t look at the real numbers, and they are not a problem.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442
Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
only superior economic management can handle the complexities of Schroedinger unemployment
No it’s easy.
Don’t look at the real numbers, and they are not a problem.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
I believe the numbers are all in the way this stat is measured.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Hot competition for stupidest election ad today:UAP is saying that Labor are giving thier preferences to LibNats ahead of UAP, so “a vote for Labor is a vote for Coalition”.
The Australian Christian Lobby have a full page ad with pictures of Fiona Martin, Trent Zimmerman, Dave Sharma, and Zali Steggal saying that thet VOTED AGAINST RELIGIOUS SHOOLS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THEIR ATTACKS ON FAITH COMMUNITIES?
I am now off to look these people up to see if I can vote for any of them.
So they are all lower house, and apart from Zali are all Libs anyway.
isn’t this just some false flag plot to capture the otherwise Labor votes and push them to sacrilegious Corruption candidates
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
I believe the numbers are all in the way this stat is measured.
we mean, lower employment and bigger economy must be a good thing surely, productivity must be higher, through the roof, astronomical
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
“Australian unemployment jumps to 9.7% in April; highest since July 2021 “
enjoy the last of the good times
by 2025 could be fairly much global economic collapse, though the new chinese currency tied to gold and commodities might be doing alright
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
“Australian unemployment jumps to 9.7% in April; highest since July 2021 “
enjoy the last of the good times
by 2025 could be fairly much global economic collapse, though the new chinese currency tied to gold and commodities might be doing alright
Wookie give Onty his handle back.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:“Australian unemployment jumps to 9.7% in April; highest since July 2021 “
enjoy the last of the good times
by 2025 could be fairly much global economic collapse, though the new chinese currency tied to gold and commodities might be doing alright
Wookie give Onty his handle back.
chuckle
see how things pan out, certainly a bubble, a massive distortion i’d call it, and a correction on the horizon or in progress
US arms manufacture and sales probably looking good anyway, into the immediate future at least
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8964-roy-morgan-unemployment-may-2022-202205170442Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
I believe the numbers are all in the way this stat is measured.
This.
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Looks like unemployment is simultaneously lowest evah and going through the roof then.
“Australian unemployment jumps to 9.7% in April; highest since July 2021 “
enjoy the last of the good times
by 2025 could be fairly much global economic collapse, though the new chinese currency tied to gold and commodities might be doing alright
Amazing graph
dv said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:“Australian unemployment jumps to 9.7% in April; highest since July 2021 “
enjoy the last of the good times
by 2025 could be fairly much global economic collapse, though the new chinese currency tied to gold and commodities might be doing alright
Amazing graph
Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
sarahs mum said:
:)
Bogsnorkler said:
Didn’t hold back there.
Spiny Norman said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Didn’t hold back there.
And was right on target.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
transition said:enjoy the last of the good times
by 2025 could be fairly much global economic collapse, though the new chinese currency tied to gold and commodities might be doing alright
Amazing graph
Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Amazing graph
Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
the ABC is a notorious rightwing mouthpiece.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
the ABC is a notorious rightwing mouthpiece.
I’m reluctanty to accept these conspiracy theories, but it is looking like that.
sibeen said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:My seat (Lyons) is 70 down from yours, but still 81 higher than Full Nazi.
I’m in Wannon, which is pretty blue. Although Auntie Annie wanted to talk voting in the car and I discovered, to my surprise, that she really dislikes ScoMo et al. I may have been a tad cheeky suggesting she should vote for Alex Dyson (standing as an independent here) but her response was “Is he nice? Got to be better than Dan Tehan.” You never know. I’ve been very surprised about some people around here lately. We might even swing.
From the ABC data you’re actually getting quite close to be a swinging electorate. #90 out of 151, with 151 being strong right and #1 being the communist hellhlole that I live in.
The thing with the ABC vote tracker is that they never tell you the percentage of lab/greens and coalition voters who they survey.
They know though because they will say 55% of coalition voters supporters say they support this or 45% of labor voters support that etc. but nowhere do they tell you that vital information that I can find.
If someone can find that information it would be nice.
Ipsos has released its final poll of the campaign, a 53-47.
Peak Warming Man said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:I’m in Wannon, which is pretty blue. Although Auntie Annie wanted to talk voting in the car and I discovered, to my surprise, that she really dislikes ScoMo et al. I may have been a tad cheeky suggesting she should vote for Alex Dyson (standing as an independent here) but her response was “Is he nice? Got to be better than Dan Tehan.” You never know. I’ve been very surprised about some people around here lately. We might even swing.
From the ABC data you’re actually getting quite close to be a swinging electorate. #90 out of 151, with 151 being strong right and #1 being the communist hellhlole that I live in.
The thing with the ABC vote tracker is that they never tell you the percentage of lab/greens and coalition voters who they survey.
They know though because they will say 55% of coalition voters supporters say they support this or 45% of labor voters support that etc. but nowhere do they tell you that vital information that I can find.
If someone can find that information it would be nice.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/PollVault/abc-news-polling-methodology-standards/story?id=145373
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Amazing graph
Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
To be fair, the ABS follows an international style benchmark for how the unemployment number is calculated.
Also, it isn’t government numbers, but numbers provided by the ABS which wouldn’t fluctuate no matter who is in power.
dv said:
Ipsos has released its final poll of the campaign, a 53-47.
The libs lost an election in South Aus after getting 53% of the vote a while back.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
To be fair, the ABS follows an international style benchmark for how the unemployment number is calculated.
Also, it isn’t government numbers, but numbers provided by the ABS which wouldn’t fluctuate no matter who is in power.
You after a job with the ABC or something?
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
To be fair, the ABS follows an international style benchmark for how the unemployment number is calculated.
Also, it isn’t government numbers, but numbers provided by the ABS which wouldn’t fluctuate no matter who is in power.
You after a job with the ABC or something?
I used to do a lot of work for the ABS. In fact, they gave me my first ever contract when I started my own company back in ’91. I do love the ABS :)
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Ipsos has released its final poll of the campaign, a 53-47.The libs lost an election in South Aus after getting 53% of the vote a while back.
That was on the cards because of the status of the margins. We wouldn’t anticipate that level of help for the Coalition this time, based on the pendulum, but they could win with 49-51. Allow for a 2% polling miss and some late deciders going for incumbency and the Libs certainly have a shot at victory here.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:To be fair, the ABS follows an international style benchmark for how the unemployment number is calculated.
Also, it isn’t government numbers, but numbers provided by the ABS which wouldn’t fluctuate no matter who is in power.
You after a job with the ABC or something?
I used to do a lot of work for the ABS. In fact, they gave me my first ever contract when I started my own company back in ’91. I do love the ABS :)
Mr. Speaker, I wish to draw attention to the clear conflict of interest that mr. sibeen has in this matter :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You after a job with the ABC or something?
I used to do a lot of work for the ABS. In fact, they gave me my first ever contract when I started my own company back in ’91. I do love the ABS :)
Mr. Speaker, I wish to draw attention to the clear conflict of interest that mr. sibeen has in this matter :)
Hear hear, I move that the member for Carlton be no longer heard.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Interesting that the Morgan numbers are significantly higher than pre-Covid, but gov numbers are significantly lower.
Just listened to ABC news. Not a word about the Morgan numbers.
Lots of words about the gov. numbers.
To be fair, the ABS follows an international style benchmark for how the unemployment number is calculated.
Also, it isn’t government numbers, but numbers provided by the ABS which wouldn’t fluctuate no matter who is in power.
Nonetheless, the Morgan and ABS have different trends and it would interesting to drill down into why.
>>It was a number rich day with the latest unemployment figures landing, revealing that the unemployment rate has dropped from 4 per cent to 3.9 per cent.
That’s the lowest level in half a century — not since mid-1974 has it been that low.<<
Patricia Karvelas, here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/election-2022-morrison-albanese-costings-unemployment/101081340
I have a question. dv might know this. Were we using the same definition of “unemployed” 50 years ago?
buffy said:
>>It was a number rich day with the latest unemployment figures landing, revealing that the unemployment rate has dropped from 4 per cent to 3.9 per cent.That’s the lowest level in half a century — not since mid-1974 has it been that low.<<
Patricia Karvelas, here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/election-2022-morrison-albanese-costings-unemployment/101081340I have a question. dv might know this. Were we using the same definition of “unemployed” 50 years ago?
I actually don’t know, specifically, but I do know that commentators often say that the definition used by the ABS has not changed “since the 1980s” … which might suggest that it has changed since the 1970s, since otherwise they’d say 1970s? But I don’t know the details.
dv said:
buffy said:
>>It was a number rich day with the latest unemployment figures landing, revealing that the unemployment rate has dropped from 4 per cent to 3.9 per cent.That’s the lowest level in half a century — not since mid-1974 has it been that low.<<
Patricia Karvelas, here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/election-2022-morrison-albanese-costings-unemployment/101081340I have a question. dv might know this. Were we using the same definition of “unemployed” 50 years ago?
I actually don’t know, specifically, but I do know that commentators often say that the definition used by the ABS has not changed “since the 1980s” … which might suggest that it has changed since the 1970s, since otherwise they’d say 1970s? But I don’t know the details.
It wasn’t immediately evident on a quick Google.
Greens are averaging 13% in recent polls. They may even better their previous high water mark which was the 2010 election.
Sportsbet are offering the following odds
ALP 1.48
Coalition 2.80
Implied probabilities are 65%, 35%, which might be about right.
dv said:
Sportsbet are offering the following odds
ALP 1.48
Coalition 2.80Implied probabilities are 65%, 35%, which might be about right.
Are you putting any money on it?
dv said:
Sportsbet are offering the following odds
ALP 1.48
Coalition 2.80Implied probabilities are 65%, 35%, which might be about right.
No paying out early this time.
Voluntary assisted dying legalised in NSW
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/voluntary-assisted-dying-legalised-in-nsw-20220519-p5amo0.html
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Sportsbet are offering the following odds
ALP 1.48
Coalition 2.80Implied probabilities are 65%, 35%, which might be about right.
Are you putting any money on it?
No. As I say, I think the odds are about right, which means there’s no great value to be had as a gamblor.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:
>>It was a number rich day with the latest unemployment figures landing, revealing that the unemployment rate has dropped from 4 per cent to 3.9 per cent.That’s the lowest level in half a century — not since mid-1974 has it been that low.<<
Patricia Karvelas, here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/election-2022-morrison-albanese-costings-unemployment/101081340I have a question. dv might know this. Were we using the same definition of “unemployed” 50 years ago?
I actually don’t know, specifically, but I do know that commentators often say that the definition used by the ABS has not changed “since the 1980s” … which might suggest that it has changed since the 1970s, since otherwise they’d say 1970s? But I don’t know the details.
It wasn’t immediately evident on a quick Google.
“The ABS has collected data on unemployment in its Labour Force Survey since 1966. The survey provides information on the labour force status and demographic characteristics of the Australian population. Unemployed persons are those aged 15 years and over who were not employed during the survey reference week, but were available for work and were actively looking for work.
”
Sometimes I only find out the news because of memes
Gave the shed a bit of a tidy up today.
Bogsnorkler said:
Gave the shed a bit of a tidy up today.
picsorban
Bogsnorkler said:
Gave the shed a bit of a tidy up today.
Both of them?
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Gave the shed a bit of a tidy up today.
Both of them?
Just the habitable one.
I wonder when we will start getting election predictions that say Labor/Liberal/Independent/Green? I wonder which way the independents will go if the lower house is hung.
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election
People who tested positive for COVID-19 between Saturday and Tuesday are “angry” that the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) has said they “may not be able to vote” this election
Australians who tested positive after Tuesday at 6pm can apply to vote via phone, while those who tested positive between Saturday and Tuesday have been advised to apply for a postal vote.
But postal votes are unlikely to reach people like Melbourne’s Nicola Fry in time, according to the AEC website.
Ms Fry tested positive on Tuesday morning.
“I didn’t want to go through that avenue, because I wanted my vote to be counted,” she told ABC Radio Melbourne.
At the time, Ms Fry’s family said they were advised by an AEC representative that they could vote over the phone.
But Ms Fry later discovered that advice was incorrect and that she would only be eligible to vote over the phone if she tested positive after 6pm on Tuesday.
Unable to vote via post and ineligible for a phone vote, Nicola Fry and her three family members say they will not be able to cast their ballots.
“I’m very angry and helpless,” she said.
Multiple Australians diagnosed with COVID-19 between Saturday and Tuesday contacted the ABC saying they were in a similar situation.
Melbourne’s Michelle McLeod-Dryden tested positive for COVID on Sunday.
Her husband found he had the virus on Monday.
Ms McLeod-Dryden attempted to register for a postal vote on the AEC website but was told it would not arrive in time.
After an AEC representative informed her she could vote via phone, she discovered she was ineligible when she tried to sign up on Tuesday evening.
While she understood she would not get a fine, she said she was “really disappointed”.
“I’m not worried about the fine,” she said.
“There’s been adequate time to prepare for this.
“It’s just not good enough.”
Melbourne’s Kate Rees tested positive at midday on Tuesday, but was able to secure a phone vote after contacting her local member.
Ms Rees said she was unable to do a postal vote because she lived by herself in an apartment complex and would not have a witness to sign off on her paperwork.
“My MP’s office contacted the AEC who then contacted me,” she said.
“I’m still very stressed — I don’t know if they’ll chase me up for putting my positive RAT at midday instead of 6pm.”
While she was able to put in her vote, she was concerned for other Australians who lived alone or in rural areas.
“It’s a form of voter disenfranchisement,” she said.
AEC confirms cut-off
An Australian Electoral Commission spokesperson said people who tested positive to COVID between Saturday and 6pm Tuesday “may not be able to vote”.
“People who tested positive to COVID between Saturday and 6pm Tuesday were able to apply for a postal vote up until 6pm Wednesday,” the spokesperson said.
“People who did not apply for a postal vote before the application cut-off, haven’t voted yet, tested positive before 6pm Tuesday, and are in isolation through to after election day, may not be able to vote.
“Telephone voting is an emergency service only, for the unique circumstances of the pandemic, with deadlines set in the legislation/regulations.”
The spokesperson said “relevant health authorities” had been sending COVID-positive Australians text messages and emails “about their voting options since Saturday”.
But the $20 fine for failing to vote would not apply for Australians diagnosed with COVID-19 who were unable to vote.
“If a person cannot access the services available in their area, they will receive a letter from the AEC after the election informing there is no record of them voting,” the AEC told the ABC.
The spokesperson said the AEC was going to “every effort” to ensure postal votes were delivered in time.
Listeners contacted ABC Radio Melbourne suggesting COVID-positive people complete another RAT after the Tuesday 6pm deadline and claim they tested positive on this date to become eligible for a phone vote.
“The intention of the legislation is for each cohort of voters to have an option available to them and for people to plan their vote,” an AEC spokesperson said.
Australians can register up until 4:00pm AEST on election day for a telephone vote on the AEC website.
AEC urged to clarify position
The Human Rights Law Centre’s Hugh de Kretser said the situation was “alarming”.
“The right to vote is the most fundamental part of our democracy,” he said.
“The right of Australians to participate in the electoral process is enshrined in the Constitution and has been upheld by the High Court on many occasions.
He said the AEC’s position risked “disenfranchising tens of thousands of Australians”.
“We urge the AEC to clarify its position immediately,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
Yep…
Monique Ryan says she’s taking legal action as some COVID-positive voters face voting barrier
It comes after The Australian Electoral Commission said some COVID-positive voters may not be able to cast their ballot this federal election.
The independent candidate for Kooyong says she will lodge a legal challenge in the Federal Court on Friday after the Australia Electoral Commission (AEC) conceded some COVID-positive Australians may not be able to vote in Saturday’s election.
“We’re taking Special Minister of State, Ben Morton, to the Federal Court on Friday,” Dr Monique Ryan tweeted on Thursday night.
“We’re fighting to ensure up to 201,000 Australians with COVID can vote this election. We need $60,000 for this challenge, and we need to raise it ASAP!”
The announcement came hours after the AEC said on Thursday afternoon that some of the thousands of Australians who have tested positive for COVID-19 in recent days may not have their votes counted this federal election.
Legislation was passed this year to allow COVID-affected voters to cast a telephone vote.
However, telephone voting is only available for people who tested positive for the virus after 6pm on Tuesday.
Anyone who’s tested positive since Saturday – meaning they will still be in their seven-day isolation period on election day – and before 6pm on Tuesday, who hasn’t already voted at a pre-poll booth, is only eligible for postal voting.
She said according to official case numbers, at least 201,000 people across Australia tested positive for COVID-19 between Saturday and 6pm on Tuesday, “which is 1.2 per cent of the electoral roll”.
“That’s enough to determine the result in many close races. There were eight electorates closer than that in 2019. Right now Kooyong looks that close too,” Dr Ryan said in a tweet.
“The AEC says these people had a chance to apply for a postal vote. But postal vote applications closed last night. I think it’s safe to assume that a great many people who were in their sick beds with COVID didn’t know about the postal vote deadline.
“I’m going to guess that young people, people who speak a different language at home, etc are VERY unlikely to have known about this.”
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/monique-ryan-says-shes-taking-legal-action-as-some-covid-positive-voters-face-voting-barrier/8jckl4iqp
dv said:
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election…/cut by me master transition/…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
all makes for a neat distraction from the reality there’s going to be a lot of contagious people going out and voting
think of it optimistically, consider it a vote for the covid superpandemic, toward herd immunity
dv said:
Monique Ryan says she’s taking legal action as some COVID-positive voters face voting barrierIt comes after The Australian Electoral Commission said some COVID-positive voters may not be able to cast their ballot this federal election.
The independent candidate for Kooyong says she will lodge a legal challenge in the Federal Court on Friday after the Australia Electoral Commission (AEC) conceded some COVID-positive Australians may not be able to vote in Saturday’s election.
“We’re taking Special Minister of State, Ben Morton, to the Federal Court on Friday,” Dr Monique Ryan tweeted on Thursday night.
“We’re fighting to ensure up to 201,000 Australians with COVID can vote this election. We need $60,000 for this challenge, and we need to raise it ASAP!”The announcement came hours after the AEC said on Thursday afternoon that some of the thousands of Australians who have tested positive for COVID-19 in recent days may not have their votes counted this federal election.
Legislation was passed this year to allow COVID-affected voters to cast a telephone vote.
However, telephone voting is only available for people who tested positive for the virus after 6pm on Tuesday.
Anyone who’s tested positive since Saturday – meaning they will still be in their seven-day isolation period on election day – and before 6pm on Tuesday, who hasn’t already voted at a pre-poll booth, is only eligible for postal voting.
She said according to official case numbers, at least 201,000 people across Australia tested positive for COVID-19 between Saturday and 6pm on Tuesday, “which is 1.2 per cent of the electoral roll”.
“That’s enough to determine the result in many close races. There were eight electorates closer than that in 2019. Right now Kooyong looks that close too,” Dr Ryan said in a tweet.
“The AEC says these people had a chance to apply for a postal vote. But postal vote applications closed last night. I think it’s safe to assume that a great many people who were in their sick beds with COVID didn’t know about the postal vote deadline.
“I’m going to guess that young people, people who speak a different language at home, etc are VERY unlikely to have known about this.”
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/monique-ryan-says-shes-taking-legal-action-as-some-covid-positive-voters-face-voting-barrier/8jckl4iqp
If you’re able to, please consider donating to the legal fund, the case goes to court tomorrow.
moniqueryan.com.au/legalfund
That’s Moni Query An.
sarahs mum said:
I wonder when we will start getting election predictions that say Labor/Liberal/Independent/Green? I wonder which way the independents will go if the lower house is hung.
There’s been fairly naked aggression between the Libs and the Teals whereas Labor have not made it personal, just told people “voting Labor is the best way to ensure a change of government”.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
I wonder when we will start getting election predictions that say Labor/Liberal/Independent/Green? I wonder which way the independents will go if the lower house is hung.
There’s been fairly naked aggression between the Libs and the Teals whereas Labor have not made it personal, just told people “voting Labor is the best way to ensure a change of government”.
True. But a lot of the independents seem tohave Liberal credentials and are targetting Liberals. But then they are climate change worriers and they are doers.
PWM may be interested in this.
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/
Further Adventures In The ALP Fail Factor
I’ve been aware of what I call the “Labor fail factor” for some time – that Labor tends to underperform its leadup 2PP polling, albeit not on average greatly, but Mark the Ballot has shone a new perspective on it with an excellent graph this week. He finds that for late campaign polls, the polling average tends historically to be accurate if the Coalition is doing well, but the further ahead Labor is, the more of their lead proves illusory. His predictive model incorporates this, and still finds a Labor majority likely.
I thought at this stage, it would be useful to look just at the average of polls released around the final week and a half (including late in the penultimate week) – but also, for historic estimate purposes, I decided to remove Morgan. Morgan had very large misses when it wrongly predicted Labor wins in 1996, 2001 and 2004, and was also at the sinners’ table (along with all the rest) in 2019. For the elections for which I have readings from multiple non-Morgan polls, the same effect is seen, but the size of it is much reduced (more like 1% instead of 2% at the lower end):
The 2PPs are for the Coalition, the dotted line is the line of best fit and the black line is the line of parity. Overall, an average of polled 2PPs for the last week and a bit without Morgan was a wonderful election predictor until 2019 (the outlier) came along.
If I include 1987 and 1990, for which the only non-Morgan poll I have is Newspoll, the relationship is a little bit more like MTB’s – but the widening is driven entirely by the 1987 rogue.
At this point of time the average of the current non-Morgans is only 52.3 by their released 2PPs (which I also used for old polls for the graphs above), but that is likely to increase given the recent form of Ipsos and Newspoll that still each have a reading to come. Still, if this level of underperformance is still a thing, Labor would be doing well if they could beat 52-48. (Which is, incidentally, about the 2PP of the YouGov MRP model, which had a very large sample size and very advanced weighting, though it would now be showing some age if voting intention has changed in the meantime.)
Explaining why this underperformance exists would be a long story, especially when it certainly doesn’t exist at state level. Soft voters? Long-running representative issues? Something about our federal issues and campaigns?
Should we assume it’s a thing this year? Maybe, maybe not. We’re coming off a polling failure that only some polls show meaningful signs of having addressed in some fashion – but on the other hand, overcompensation following a polling failure is possible.
As I write, all the forecast models I’ve been seeing (Armarium Interreta, Mark the Ballot, Australian Election Forecasts and Buckleys & None) find Labor still more likely than not to win a majority with median estimates in the range 77 to 81 seats, but all find that it is still realistic if unlikely for the Coalition to win (most likely not outright)
https://marktheballot.blogspot.com/2022/05/modelling-2020-election-part-ii.html
Mark the Ballot’s modelling gives these probabilities
7.5% Coalition majority
73.2% ALP majority
19.3% Hung parliament
dv said:
Mark the Ballot’s modelling gives these probabilities7.5% Coalition majority
73.2% ALP majority
19.3% Hung parliament
Maybe Mark the ballot has factored in a possible independent vote.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Mark the Ballot’s modelling gives these probabilities7.5% Coalition majority
73.2% ALP majority
19.3% Hung parliament
Maybe Mark the ballot has factored in a possible independent vote.
The Yougov MRP model came up with this outcome:
ALP 80 seats
Coalition 63 seats
Independents 7 seats
Green 1 seat
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Mark the Ballot’s modelling gives these probabilities7.5% Coalition majority
73.2% ALP majority
19.3% Hung parliament
Maybe Mark the ballot has factored in a possible independent vote.
The Yougov MRP model came up with this outcome:
ALP 80 seats
Coalition 63 seats
Independents 7 seats
Green 1 seat
This would be a happy outcome.
There are plenty of chances for small happy outcomes. Like Dutton disappearing. that would make me happy.
dv said:
Sometimes I only find out the news because of memes
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
I wonder when we will start getting election predictions that say Labor/Liberal/Independent/Green? I wonder which way the independents will go if the lower house is hung.
There’s been fairly naked aggression between the Libs and the Teals whereas Labor have not made it personal, just told people “voting Labor is the best way to ensure a change of government”.
“Vote for us because we are not them”?
Strong argument.
dv said:
dv said:
Sometimes I only find out the news because of memes
That one’s a bit laboured, but it raised a smile.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
dv said:
Sometimes I only find out the news because of memes
That one’s a bit laboured, but it raised a smile.
You misspelt Labored.
more trolling that may have already been posted
and
dv said:
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election……
AEC urged to clarify position
The Human Rights Law Centre’s Hugh de Kretser said the situation was “alarming”.
“The right to vote is the most fundamental part of our democracy,” he said.
“The right of Australians to participate in the electoral process is enshrined in the Constitution and has been upheld by the High Court on many occasions.
He said the AEC’s position risked “disenfranchising tens of thousands of Australians”.
“We urge the AEC to clarify its position immediately,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
I agree. Angrifying.
Michael V said:
dv said:
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election……
AEC urged to clarify position
The Human Rights Law Centre’s Hugh de Kretser said the situation was “alarming”.
“The right to vote is the most fundamental part of our democracy,” he said.
“The right of Australians to participate in the electoral process is enshrined in the Constitution and has been upheld by the High Court on many occasions.
He said the AEC’s position risked “disenfranchising tens of thousands of Australians”.
“We urge the AEC to clarify its position immediately,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
I agree. Angrifying.
They had plenty of time to fix this. Again though, it is the fault of the government for not announcing the election date earlier and for not ensuring that the facets of covid and election flanged together efficiently. It is yet another example of their ineptitude and disinterest in communty health. I sincerely hope that it cossts them dearly at the ballot box.
dv said:
Monique Ryan says she’s taking legal action as some COVID-positive voters face voting barrierIt comes after The Australian Electoral Commission said some COVID-positive voters may not be able to cast their ballot this federal election.
….https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/monique-ryan-says-shes-taking-legal-action-as-some-covid-positive-voters-face-voting-barrier/8jckl4iqp
Good on her!
Michael V said:
dv said:
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election……
AEC urged to clarify position
The Human Rights Law Centre’s Hugh de Kretser said the situation was “alarming”.
“The right to vote is the most fundamental part of our democracy,” he said.
“The right of Australians to participate in the electoral process is enshrined in the Constitution and has been upheld by the High Court on many occasions.
He said the AEC’s position risked “disenfranchising tens of thousands of Australians”.
“We urge the AEC to clarify its position immediately,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
I agree. Angrifying.
If they can do phone votes why cant they do on line votes?
Michael V said:
dv said:
Monique Ryan says she’s taking legal action as some COVID-positive voters face voting barrierIt comes after The Australian Electoral Commission said some COVID-positive voters may not be able to cast their ballot this federal election.
….https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/monique-ryan-says-shes-taking-legal-action-as-some-covid-positive-voters-face-voting-barrier/8jckl4iqp
Good on her!
More should do so.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election……
AEC urged to clarify position
The Human Rights Law Centre’s Hugh de Kretser said the situation was “alarming”.
“The right to vote is the most fundamental part of our democracy,” he said.
“The right of Australians to participate in the electoral process is enshrined in the Constitution and has been upheld by the High Court on many occasions.
He said the AEC’s position risked “disenfranchising tens of thousands of Australians”.
“We urge the AEC to clarify its position immediately,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
I agree. Angrifying.
If they can do phone votes why cant they do on line votes?
Because then Putin and Xi may well get to vote. And not just once each.
Michael V said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:I agree. Angrifying.
If they can do phone votes why cant they do on line votes?
Because then Putin and Xi may well get to vote. And not just once each.
Fuck CHINA And Their Stuxnets
outright propaganda now
Coalition devoid of policy imagination.
The Herald does not believe the Morrison government should be granted another term and views the election of Labor as the preferable outcome – even though it shares the public’s lack of enthusiasm for Albanese and his timid opposition.
SCIENCE said:
outright propaganda nowCoalition devoid of policy imagination.
The Herald does not believe the Morrison government should be granted another term and views the election of Labor as the preferable outcome – even though it shares the public’s lack of enthusiasm for Albanese and his timid opposition.
Could the dark horse get up?
My local gym had the below sitting on the sign in counter this morning.
poikilotherm said:
My local gym had the below sitting on the sign in counter this morning.
Did you take it and burn it?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098
This JobKeeper thing was sooo well thought out. Why did it not simply have a reconciliation clause to be applied at the end of financial year where you had to return excess?
SCIENCE said:
outright propaganda nowCoalition devoid of policy imagination.
The Herald does not believe the Morrison government should be granted another term and views the election of Labor as the preferable outcome – even though it shares the public’s lack of enthusiasm for Albanese and his timid opposition.
Reading that you’d think that newspaper editorials were supposed to be a space for statement of opinions.
One more sleep!
dv said:
One more sleep!
You sound a bit excited about this. Will you be up really early tomorrow?
We plan to go and vote early, have some breakfast at the bakery and then go to the bush for a few hours. We will watch the count. But we might dip out to watch a Frankie Drake episode along the way. If necessary.
buffy said:
dv said:
One more sleep!
You sound a bit excited about this. Will you be up really early tomorrow?
We plan to go and vote early, have some breakfast at the bakery and then go to the bush for a few hours. We will watch the count. But we might dip out to watch a Frankie Drake episode along the way. If necessary.
Not much point getting up really early as the polling places don’t open til 8 am.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098This JobKeeper thing was sooo well thought out. Why did it not simply have a reconciliation clause to be applied at the end of financial year where you had to return excess?
I don’t know. Why?
Michael V said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098This JobKeeper thing was sooo well thought out. Why did it not simply have a reconciliation clause to be applied at the end of financial year where you had to return excess?
I don’t know. Why?
Because the best money managers forgot?
;)
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098This JobKeeper thing was sooo well thought out. Why did it not simply have a reconciliation clause to be applied at the end of financial year where you had to return excess?
I don’t know. Why?
Because the best money managers forgot?
;)
To keep their mates happy?
dv said:
buffy said:
dv said:
One more sleep!
You sound a bit excited about this. Will you be up really early tomorrow?
We plan to go and vote early, have some breakfast at the bakery and then go to the bush for a few hours. We will watch the count. But we might dip out to watch a Frankie Drake episode along the way. If necessary.
Not much point getting up really early as the polling places don’t open til 8 am.
Do you actually get up though? You seem to be here 24/24.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098This JobKeeper thing was sooo well thought out. Why did it not simply have a reconciliation clause to be applied at the end of financial year where you had to return excess?
I don’t know. Why?
Because the best money managers forgot?
;)
Wealth redistribution is my cynical view.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
buffy said:You sound a bit excited about this. Will you be up really early tomorrow?
We plan to go and vote early, have some breakfast at the bakery and then go to the bush for a few hours. We will watch the count. But we might dip out to watch a Frankie Drake episode along the way. If necessary.
Not much point getting up really early as the polling places don’t open til 8 am.
Do you actually get up though? You seem to be here 24/24.
I have a team covering for me here.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/millions-in-jobkeeper-went-to-private-schools-that-grew-surplus/101075098This JobKeeper thing was sooo well thought out. Why did it not simply have a reconciliation clause to be applied at the end of financial year where you had to return excess?
It’s not the L/NP way to require accountability.
At least not from people in certain social strata.
If you’re e.g. a Centrelink ‘client’, then it’s hoist the red flag and take no prisoners.
University of New South Wales professor of housing research and policy Hal Pawson said longer-term solutions could be found in Scotland’s housing policy.
“Scotland’s strategy got a huge amount of substance, very much in contrast to its Australian equivalent,” Professor Pawson said.
“It properly defines the problems that it seeks to address it proposes remedial actions that seem to address those problems.
“The NSW so-called housing strategy doesn’t do any of those things.”
The original legislation meant anyone who tested positive before Tuesday but did not apply for a postal ballot could not vote on the phone.
But the Australian electoral commissioner has requested changes which have been accepted by the government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-election-voting/101083634
dv said:
The original legislation meant anyone who tested positive before Tuesday but did not apply for a postal ballot could not vote on the phone.But the Australian electoral commissioner has requested changes which have been accepted by the government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-election-voting/101083634
Phew.
“Driver, could you let me off at the next stop, please? I’ll catch a bus home now, thanks.”
Dark Orange said:
Not sure about the Greens eating babies, but otherwise pretty accurate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
Not sure about the Greens eating babies, but otherwise pretty accurate.
I was going to say the same thing.
dv said:
The original legislation meant anyone who tested positive before Tuesday but did not apply for a postal ballot could not vote on the phone.But the Australian electoral commissioner has requested changes which have been accepted by the government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-election-voting/101083634
Ah, I see dv found this before I came back inside and checked the news. This is a Good Thing. Will ScoMo be spruiking how good he is to have listened to advice?
buffy said:
dv said:
The original legislation meant anyone who tested positive before Tuesday but did not apply for a postal ballot could not vote on the phone.But the Australian electoral commissioner has requested changes which have been accepted by the government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-election-voting/101083634
Ah, I see dv found this before I came back inside and checked the news. This is a Good Thing. Will ScoMo be spruiking how good he is to have listened to advice?
yes
buffy said:
dv said:
The original legislation meant anyone who tested positive before Tuesday but did not apply for a postal ballot could not vote on the phone.But the Australian electoral commissioner has requested changes which have been accepted by the government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-election-voting/101083634
Ah, I see dv found this before I came back inside and checked the news. This is a Good Thing. Will ScoMo be spruiking how good he is to have listened to advice?
I’d love to know how this phone-voring works. Ticking you off the register is easy but how do you go about the actual assigning of preferences. Similar to this I guess:
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/blv.htm?
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
dv said:
The original legislation meant anyone who tested positive before Tuesday but did not apply for a postal ballot could not vote on the phone.But the Australian electoral commissioner has requested changes which have been accepted by the government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-rules-change-on-federal-election-voting/101083634
Ah, I see dv found this before I came back inside and checked the news. This is a Good Thing. Will ScoMo be spruiking how good he is to have listened to advice?
I’d love to know how this phone-voring works. Ticking you off the register is easy but how do you go about the actual assigning of preferences. Similar to this I guess:
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/blv.htm?
Never fear…your ABC has it covered:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-phone-voting-system-explainer/101084094
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Ah, I see dv found this before I came back inside and checked the news. This is a Good Thing. Will ScoMo be spruiking how good he is to have listened to advice?
I’d love to know how this phone-voring works. Ticking you off the register is easy but how do you go about the actual assigning of preferences. Similar to this I guess:
https://www.aec.gov.au/election/blv.htm?
Never fear…your ABC has it covered:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/covid-phone-voting-system-explainer/101084094
Ta.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
AEC tells COVID cases they ‘may not be able to vote’ in the federal election……
AEC urged to clarify position
The Human Rights Law Centre’s Hugh de Kretser said the situation was “alarming”.
“The right to vote is the most fundamental part of our democracy,” he said.
“The right of Australians to participate in the electoral process is enshrined in the Constitution and has been upheld by the High Court on many occasions.
He said the AEC’s position risked “disenfranchising tens of thousands of Australians”.
“We urge the AEC to clarify its position immediately,” he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-19/covid-cases-may-not-be-able-to-vote-in-federal-election-aec-says/101080606
This is a bit fucked. Anyone looking at this beforehand would realise that you need to make sure there’s no gap between the postal vote window and the phone vote window. They’ve had months to prepare for this.
I agree. Angrifying.
They had plenty of time to fix this. Again though, it is the fault of the government for not announcing the election date earlier and for not ensuring that the facets of covid and election flanged together efficiently. It is yet another example of their ineptitude and disinterest in communty health. I sincerely hope that it cossts them dearly at the ballot box.
Does this include pauline? Is she allowed to vote?
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
Not sure about the Greens eating babies, but otherwise pretty accurate.
I was going to say the same thing.
especially when ‘save the babies’ is their mantra.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:I agree. Angrifying.
They had plenty of time to fix this. Again though, it is the fault of the government for not announcing the election date earlier and for not ensuring that the facets of covid and election flanged together efficiently. It is yet another example of their ineptitude and disinterest in communty health. I sincerely hope that it cossts them dearly at the ballot box.
Does this include pauline? Is she allowed to vote?
By phone. The legislation has been fixed. Anybody testing positive from 6pm Friday can phone-vote now.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:They had plenty of time to fix this. Again though, it is the fault of the government for not announcing the election date earlier and for not ensuring that the facets of covid and election flanged together efficiently. It is yet another example of their ineptitude and disinterest in communty health. I sincerely hope that it cossts them dearly at the ballot box.
Does this include pauline? Is she allowed to vote?
By phone. The legislation has been fixed. Anybody testing positive from 6pm Friday can phone-vote now.
She hasn’t been vaccinated so she’s not chipped and therefore won’t be able to vote in this brave new world.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Does this include pauline? Is she allowed to vote?
By phone. The legislation has been fixed. Anybody testing positive from 6pm Friday can phone-vote now.
She hasn’t been vaccinated so she’s not chipped and therefore won’t be able to vote in this brave new world.
snigger
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:They had plenty of time to fix this. Again though, it is the fault of the government for not announcing the election date earlier and for not ensuring that the facets of covid and election flanged together efficiently. It is yet another example of their ineptitude and disinterest in communty health. I sincerely hope that it cossts them dearly at the ballot box.
Does this include pauline? Is she allowed to vote?
By phone. The legislation has been fixed. Anybody testing positive from 6pm Friday can phone-vote now.
good. :)
A post that the LNP really made, and my comment on it.
If I were a child or extremely dim I’d be impressed with your meme.
However I’m neither and as well as the huge number of other things I’m disgusted with about the LNP, the complete lack of professionalism it up near the top of the list.
You are utterly pathetic and childish in every way. I can’t wait to see the rear end of you tomorrow.
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
Spiny Norman said:
A post that the LNP really made, and my comment on it.
If I were a child or extremely dim I’d be impressed with your meme.
However I’m neither and as well as the huge number of other things I’m disgusted with about the LNP, the complete lack of professionalism it up near the top of the list.
You are utterly pathetic and childish in every way. I can’t wait to see the rear end of you tomorrow.
It’s certainly beyond crappy.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
fuck.
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
A post that the LNP really made, and my comment on it.
If I were a child or extremely dim I’d be impressed with your meme.
However I’m neither and as well as the huge number of other things I’m disgusted with about the LNP, the complete lack of professionalism it up near the top of the list.
You are utterly pathetic and childish in every way. I can’t wait to see the rear end of you tomorrow.
It’s certainly beyond crappy.
But apart from that, how does the story link to the message on Albo being weak?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
A post that the LNP really made, and my comment on it.
If I were a child or extremely dim I’d be impressed with your meme.
However I’m neither and as well as the huge number of other things I’m disgusted with about the LNP, the complete lack of professionalism it up near the top of the list.
You are utterly pathetic and childish in every way. I can’t wait to see the rear end of you tomorrow.
It’s certainly beyond crappy.
But apart from that, how does the story link to the message on Albo being weak?
A binge tells me that an Albo-free version of this meme has been around for ages.
I still have no idea what the point is.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
A post that the LNP really made, and my comment on it.
If I were a child or extremely dim I’d be impressed with your meme.
However I’m neither and as well as the huge number of other things I’m disgusted with about the LNP, the complete lack of professionalism it up near the top of the list.
You are utterly pathetic and childish in every way. I can’t wait to see the rear end of you tomorrow.
It’s certainly beyond crappy.
But apart from that, how does the story link to the message on Albo being weak?
It doesn’t, that’s all there is.
Facepalm link
sarahs mum said:
Well get a move on, Guv!
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:Does this include pauline? Is she allowed to vote?
By phone. The legislation has been fixed. Anybody testing positive from 6pm Friday can phone-vote now.
good. :)
My anger has reduced. Which is good too.
:)
sarahs mum said:
Bogsnorkler said:
LOLOLOLOL
Who did that?
It reminds me of election parties in past times. We’ve even had the Police around to tell us to quieten down we got so excited one time – there was about 50 people at that party.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
LOLOLOLOL
Who did that?
It reminds me of election parties in past times. We’ve even had the Police around to tell us to quieten down we got so excited one time – there was about 50 people at that party.
Not Don’s party then.
Bogsnorkler said:
Damn..the electorate I grew up in has changed. I’m sure it was Deakin in Box Hill North when I started voting. Now it’s Menzies – and I thought it had changed to Chisholm. But looking at the maps it seems North of Whitehorse Road is Menzies these days. Maybe I can use all of them?
(But being a non drinker, it’s probably irrelevent)
5/10
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/australia-minor-micro-political-parties-quiz-federal-election/101083174
buffy said:
5/10https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/australia-minor-micro-political-parties-quiz-federal-election/101083174
6/10
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Damn..the electorate I grew up in has changed. I’m sure it was Deakin in Box Hill North when I started voting. Now it’s Menzies – and I thought it had changed to Chisholm. But looking at the maps it seems North of Whitehorse Road is Menzies these days. Maybe I can use all of them?
(But being a non drinker, it’s probably irrelevent)
Will you break out the galliano if Alex Dyson gets up?
sibeen said:
buffy said:
5/10https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/australia-minor-micro-political-parties-quiz-federal-election/101083174
6/10
I admit I only really knew the answer to Fiona’s party, but I was able to guess some others.
sibeen said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
LOLOLOLOL
Who did that?
It reminds me of election parties in past times. We’ve even had the Police around to tell us to quieten down we got so excited one time – there was about 50 people at that party.
Not Don’s party then.
LOL.
No, Davo’s party, actually.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Damn..the electorate I grew up in has changed. I’m sure it was Deakin in Box Hill North when I started voting. Now it’s Menzies – and I thought it had changed to Chisholm. But looking at the maps it seems North of Whitehorse Road is Menzies these days. Maybe I can use all of them?
(But being a non drinker, it’s probably irrelevent)
Will you break out the galliano if Alex Dyson gets up?
Brandy.
Got a letter from John Howard today. I expect he wanted to ask me to vote for my local Liberal candidate. I don’t really know though. I don’t read those kinds of letters. From anyone. Such a waste of paper…
furious said:
Got a letter from John Howard today. I expect he wanted to ask me to vote for my local Liberal candidate. I don’t really know though. I don’t read those kinds of letters. From anyone. Such a waste of paper…
I you sure it was his actual handwriting?
buffy said:
sibeen said:
buffy said:
5/10https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/australia-minor-micro-political-parties-quiz-federal-election/101083174
6/10
I admit I only really knew the answer to Fiona’s party, but I was able to guess some others.
6 also for me.
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
Got a letter from John Howard today. I expect he wanted to ask me to vote for my local Liberal candidate. I don’t really know though. I don’t read those kinds of letters. From anyone. Such a waste of paper…
I you sure it was his actual handwriting?
Well, it was typed, and a photocopy of his signature, I’m sure. But the letter head clearly stated it was from John Howard, with subscript indicating he was the former Prime Minister. Presumably so I wouldn’t confuse him with the actor…
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:6/10
I admit I only really knew the answer to Fiona’s party, but I was able to guess some others.
6 also for me.
For the record, 5 for me…
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
Got a letter from John Howard today. I expect he wanted to ask me to vote for my local Liberal candidate. I don’t really know though. I don’t read those kinds of letters. From anyone. Such a waste of paper…
I you sure it was his actual handwriting?
I = Are
…just up from a lay-me-down and typing like a monkey.
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
Got a letter from John Howard today. I expect he wanted to ask me to vote for my local Liberal candidate. I don’t really know though. I don’t read those kinds of letters. From anyone. Such a waste of paper…
I you sure it was his actual handwriting?
Well, it was typed, and a photocopy of his signature, I’m sure. But the letter head clearly stated it was from John Howard, with subscript indicating he was the former Prime Minister. Presumably so I wouldn’t confuse him with the actor…
LOLOL
:)
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:Damn..the electorate I grew up in has changed. I’m sure it was Deakin in Box Hill North when I started voting. Now it’s Menzies – and I thought it had changed to Chisholm. But looking at the maps it seems North of Whitehorse Road is Menzies these days. Maybe I can use all of them?
(But being a non drinker, it’s probably irrelevent)
Will you break out the galliano if Alex Dyson gets up?
Brandy.
And I might even have to go through with that – Mr buffy has just told me that at least one of the Old Farts at the therapy pool this morning admitted to voting for Alex. I’m seriously thinking he’s in with a chance this time.
Annabel..some nice turns of phrase in this one. I particularly liked
>>Morrison’s campaign launch, late in the piece, advanced the proposal to let people crack open their super to buy their first house. For the government, this policy has many advantages; it’s simple, easy to explain, superficially attractive to people who want to buy a house, and sends a bat right up Paul Keating’s nightie.<<
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/election-2022-morrison-albanese/101086422
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/
That was eye openingly awful.
sarahs mum said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/i-watched-all-of-sky-after-darks-election-coverage-and-have-some-fucking-concerns/That was eye openingly awful.
Murdoch going Full Murdoch.
So who is yet to do their civic duty?
I did mine yesterday.
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I’m saving it for tomorrow
so long as I don’t get the Covid.
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I’m saving it for tomorrow
so long as I don’t get the Covid.
Wear a space suit.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I’m saving it for tomorrow
so long as I don’t get the Covid.
Wear a space suit.
might be a bit too late for that. People at work have it, and I been sitting on the office with them.
Don’t be shy … no one will be mad if you’re way out again.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:I’m saving it for tomorrow
so long as I don’t get the Covid.
Wear a space suit.
might be a bit too late for that. People at work have it, and I been sitting on the office with them.
or at least, household members of people at work have it.
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
Spocky & I did a postal vote a few days ago. I got an email receipt for mine. They don’t get opened & counted until tomorrow night apparently.
I just got home from work, and there is a pile of crap in my letterbox(which is clearly marked “No Junk Mail”) from the various raving loony parties wanting my vote.
The local PHONy wants to end mandates(anti-vax) and change energy infrastructure.(No doubt to burn more coal).
The local UAP victim wants to control banks, cripple the iron ore industry, and FREEDOMS!!!
The local GAT wants to… wow, holy crap. Magna Carta, Fuck off we’re full, anti-vax, repeal some act of parliament.
The local AFP wants to umm, organic mung beans for everyone, anti-vax.
The local raving loony party version 1 wants to anti-vax, anti mandate, nuremberg code, social credit score, the great reset, etc
The local raving loony party version 2 wants to (it’s hard to tell…) vote for the other loony parties.(I think that’s what they are getting at).
The local Nissan dealership has sent me an envelope with someone else’s name on it, I think they want in on it.
I got the personal letter from John Winston yesterday. Sad that he has to barrack for the current twat.
It’s hard to choose who to put last. They are all so worthy. I hope Nissan gets in.
Also, don’t draw a dick on your ballot paper, at the last election, he won.
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I got an email from Monique Ryan telling me that my contribution to the legal fund would be refunded because the government backed down before it got to court.
I hear I have to travel to Margate as there are not enough people to man the fort at Snug school hall.
Kingy said:
…don’t draw a dick on your ballot paper, at the last election, he won.
Why is this not a popular slogan, exploited by the ALP?
sarahs mum said:
I hear I have to travel to Margate as there are not enough people to man the fort at Snug school hall.
Is that far?
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captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
…don’t draw a dick on your ballot paper, at the last election, he won.Why is this not a popular slogan, exploited by the ALP?
Coz Facebook has done the job for ‘em.
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I’ll forego the electoral sausage and accompaniments.
However, I to will follow all the other sugestions in your comment.
Spiny Norman said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
Spocky & I did a postal vote a few days ago. I got an email receipt for mine. They don’t get opened & counted until tomorrow night apparently.
That’s the rules. No counting until after close of polls.
Aside from the aforementioned ex pm letter, today I got my first uap text. They wanted to stop Labor sending something to the world health organisation, or some such. I don’t know what Labor plans to send because the text omitted the important word…
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I’ll forego the electoral sausage and accompaniments.
However, I to will follow all the other sugestions in your comment.
I think that you can have the sausage, too.
Few sausages these days actually have any meat in them.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I hear I have to travel to Margate as there are not enough people to man the fort at Snug school hall.Is that far?
another few miles.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I’ll forego the electoral sausage and accompaniments.
However, I to will follow all the other sugestions in your comment.
I think that you can have the sausage, too.
Few sausages these days actually have any meat in them.
That’s not what I care about.
furious said:
- The local UAP victim wants to control banks, cripple the iron ore industry, and FREEDOMS!!!
Aside from the aforementioned ex pm letter, today I got my first uap text. They wanted to stop Labor sending something to the world health organisation, or some such. I don’t know what Labor plans to send because the text omitted the important word…
Congratulations?
Commiserations?
Flowers?
Chocolates?
Death threats?
Red-headed dwarves?
Dog poo in a matchbox?
The imagination runs wild…
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:I’ll forego the electoral sausage and accompaniments.
However, I to will follow all the other sugestions in your comment.
I think that you can have the sausage, too.
Few sausages these days actually have any meat in them.
That’s not what I care about.
Like if they were doing ears of corn still in their sheaths on coals, I’d be in like Flynn.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
- The local UAP victim wants to control banks, cripple the iron ore industry, and FREEDOMS!!!
Aside from the aforementioned ex pm letter, today I got my first uap text. They wanted to stop Labor sending something to the world health organisation, or some such. I don’t know what Labor plans to send because the text omitted the important word…
Congratulations?
Commiserations?
Flowers?
Chocolates?
Death threats?
Red-headed dwarves?
Dog poo in a matchbox?
The imagination runs wild…
Indeed it does…
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Few sausages these days actually have any meat in them.
That’s not what I care about.
Surely you’re not opposed to onions?
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
- The local UAP victim wants to control banks, cripple the iron ore industry, and FREEDOMS!!!
Aside from the aforementioned ex pm letter, today I got my first uap text. They wanted to stop Labor sending something to the world health organisation, or some such. I don’t know what Labor plans to send because the text omitted the important word…
Congratulations?
Commiserations?
Flowers?
Chocolates?
Death threats?
Red-headed dwarves?
Dog poo in a matchbox?
The imagination runs wild…
Unleash the dogs.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Few sausages these days actually have any meat in them.
That’s not what I care about.
Surely you’re not opposed to onions?
I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s not what I care about.
Surely you’re not opposed to onions?
I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
Anyway, I plan to vote before they fire up the barbie.
roughbarked said:
I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
In which case war is the only resort.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s not what I care about.
Surely you’re not opposed to onions?
I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
yep, cos there are always dogs around and they would love spilled onion. unfortunately onion is toxic to dogs.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Surely you’re not opposed to onions?
I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
Anyway, I plan to vote before they fire up the barbie.
someone might have brought some soy links.
roughbarked said:
Anyway, I plan to vote before they fire up the barbie.
Sad.
All they could offer is a cold, limp, raw sausage.
I could draw parallels with some minor party leaders here, but…
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Surely you’re not opposed to onions?
I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
yep, cos there are always dogs around and they would love spilled onion. unfortunately onion is toxic to dogs.
and I wish no harm to dogs.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:I’m not opposed to onions at all. Unless they are spilled on the floor.
Anyway, I plan to vote before they fire up the barbie.
someone might have brought some soy links.
I could take my own but they seem to object to me grabbing the barbie first..
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Anyway, I plan to vote before they fire up the barbie.
Sad.
All they could offer is a cold, limp, raw sausage.
I could draw parallels with some minor party leaders here, but…
Please go ahead.
roughbarked said:
and I wish no harm to dogs.
Honi soit qui mal y pense pour les chiens
I have been sent birthdays cards from various state and federal politicians this week. My birthday is not till next week.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Anyway, I plan to vote before they fire up the barbie.
Sad.
All they could offer is a cold, limp, raw sausage.
I could draw parallels with some minor party leaders here, but…
Please go ahead.
Two Fat Bastards?
party_pants said:
I have been sent birthdays cards from various state and federal politicians this week. My birthday is not till next week.
They missed my birthday.
party_pants said:
I have been sent birthdays cards from various state and federal politicians this week. My birthday is not till next week.
Any money? Scratchies? Held within…
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
furious said:
party_pants said:
I have been sent birthdays cards from various state and federal politicians this week. My birthday is not till next week.
Any money? Scratchies? Held within…
No. Of course not.
party_pants said:
I have been sent birthdays cards from various state and federal politicians this week. My birthday is not till next week.
You getting close to 100 or something?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
I have been sent birthdays cards from various state and federal politicians this week. My birthday is not till next week.
You getting close to 100 or something?
half-way there.
buffy said:
I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
There’s your chance.
You could do the first sausage sizzle, and makes loads for your favourite charity/club.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
Same.
captain_spalding said:
You could do the first sausage sizzle, and makes loads for your favourite charity/club.
e.g. archery.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Woodie said:
So who is yet to do their civic duty?I did mine yesterday.
I will vote on the appointed day.
I will cast my vote with the benefit of the nation in mind.
I will have a sausage on bread.
With tomato sauce.
And onions, if available.
And tomorrow night, i will sleep the sleep of the righteous.
I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
Me either. I’ve never even seen a democracy sausage. The nearest one to me is 30km. I just wander in, mark the least-loony parties box, and wander out.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
There’s your chance.
You could do the first sausage sizzle, and makes loads for your favourite charity/club.
Unlikely with the number of locals who have prepolled around here. I think the booth is going to be quite quiet tomorrow.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
There’s your chance.
You could do the first sausage sizzle, and makes loads for your favourite charity/club.
Unlikely with the number of locals who have prepolled around here. I think the booth is going to be quite quiet tomorrow.
I just had a look. Our polling place gets about 300 voters. In 2016 when not many prepolled. So it’s going to be an easy job for the workers tomorrow.
https://results.aec.gov.au/20499/website/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-20499-5032.htm
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:I’ve never been to a polling booth that offered sausages. Out in the sticks you just wander up, vote and go back to your life. Mind you, usually we vote as soon as the booth opens.
There’s your chance.
You could do the first sausage sizzle, and makes loads for your favourite charity/club.
Unlikely with the number of locals who have prepolled around here. I think the booth is going to be quite quiet tomorrow.
If you build it, they will come…
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.
Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
furious said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:There’s your chance.
You could do the first sausage sizzle, and makes loads for your favourite charity/club.
Unlikely with the number of locals who have prepolled around here. I think the booth is going to be quite quiet tomorrow.
If you build it, they will come…
Les mots précis.
I was trying to think how to express that thought.
dv said:
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
I wouldn’t consider that a big enough lead to ensure a victory, from a poll. There is only one poll and that will start being counted at around darkish tomorrow eve.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
I wouldn’t consider that a big enough lead to ensure a victory, from a poll. There is only one poll and that will start being counted at around darkish tomorrow eve.
I hope that, to the tune of ‘C’mon, Aussie, C’mon’ we can then start singing ‘Piss off, Scotty, piss off..’
dv said:
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
>ALP is strongly favoured to win
I like that word “strongly”.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
I wouldn’t consider that a big enough lead to ensure a victory, from a poll. There is only one poll and that will start being counted at around darkish tomorrow eve.
I hope that, to the tune of ‘C’mon, Aussie, C’mon’ we can then start singing ‘Piss off, Scotty, piss off..’
Albo’s pounding down like a machine
Burney’s making divots in the green
Wongy’s taking wickets
Burkeie’s clearing pickets
And The Bowen’s eyes have got that killer gleam
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
I wouldn’t consider that a big enough lead to ensure a victory, from a poll.
So you agree with me.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Okay Newspoll have announced their final poll of the campaign 53-47.Polling average on the last 7 days is pretty much 53-47. Poll Bludger’s bludgertrack is at 53.5 – 46.5, as it has a bigger time window and also does weighting for various “house biases”.
Bottom line: ALP is strongly favoured to win, but Coalition has a significant chance of winning, and there is about a 1 in 3 chance of a hung parliament.
I wouldn’t consider that a big enough lead to ensure a victory, from a poll.
So you agree with me.
Never had a problem there.
dv said:
Sometimes I only find out the news because of memes
dv said:
dv said:
Sometimes I only find out the news because of memes
Thing is, he’s so daft, he thought he was playing rugger with the lads at that private school.
This is terrible.
Last election there were at least four minor parties for the senate that were better than ALL of the major parties.
I see that not one of the four is in this election. Science Party (my number 2 from last election) has shut down. Other shut-downs are my previous number 1 (whose name I can’t remember because it was an awful name, great policies awful name). Senator online is gone. Sex party is gone. etc.
And in fact I don’t see even a single decent minor party among the whole lot of them.
I’m going to be really struggling to find six independents to vote for in the senate this year.
mollwollfumble said:
This is terrible.Last election there were at least four minor parties for the senate that were better than ALL of the major parties.
I see that not one of the four is in this election. Science Party (my number 2 from last election) has shut down. Other shut-downs are my previous number 1 (whose name I can’t remember because it was an awful name, great policies awful name). Senator online is gone. Sex party is gone. etc.
And in fact I don’t see even a single decent minor party among the whole lot of them.
I’m going to be really struggling to find six independents to vote for in the senate this year.
Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:
This is terrible.Last election there were at least four minor parties for the senate that were better than ALL of the major parties.
I see that not one of the four is in this election. Science Party (my number 2 from last election) has shut down. Other shut-downs are my previous number 1 (whose name I can’t remember because it was an awful name, great policies awful name). Senator online is gone. Sex party is gone. etc.
And in fact I don’t see even a single decent minor party among the whole lot of them.
I’m going to be really struggling to find six independents to vote for in the senate this year.
Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
Yeah, but Fusion also includes a lot of idiots, which stuffs up the science party’s policies enormously.
mollwollfumble said:
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:
This is terrible.Last election there were at least four minor parties for the senate that were better than ALL of the major parties.
I see that not one of the four is in this election. Science Party (my number 2 from last election) has shut down. Other shut-downs are my previous number 1 (whose name I can’t remember because it was an awful name, great policies awful name). Senator online is gone. Sex party is gone. etc.
And in fact I don’t see even a single decent minor party among the whole lot of them.
I’m going to be really struggling to find six independents to vote for in the senate this year.
Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
Yeah, but Fusion also includes a lot of idiots, which stuffs up the science party’s policies enormously.
Sex party is now Reason Australia…
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:
This is terrible.Last election there were at least four minor parties for the senate that were better than ALL of the major parties.
I see that not one of the four is in this election. Science Party (my number 2 from last election) has shut down. Other shut-downs are my previous number 1 (whose name I can’t remember because it was an awful name, great policies awful name). Senator online is gone. Sex party is gone. etc.
And in fact I don’t see even a single decent minor party among the whole lot of them.
I’m going to be really struggling to find six independents to vote for in the senate this year.
Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
I thought they were part of Fusion too, but it’s all on the ABC web site.
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:
This is terrible.Last election there were at least four minor parties for the senate that were better than ALL of the major parties.
I see that not one of the four is in this election. Science Party (my number 2 from last election) has shut down. Other shut-downs are my previous number 1 (whose name I can’t remember because it was an awful name, great policies awful name). Senator online is gone. Sex party is gone. etc.
And in fact I don’t see even a single decent minor party among the whole lot of them.
I’m going to be really struggling to find six independents to vote for in the senate this year.
Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/16/australian-election-2022-full-list-micro-minor-parties-running-senate-ballot-paper-who-should-vote-what-do-they-stand-for
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:
furious said:Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
Yeah, but Fusion also includes a lot of idiots, which stuffs up the science party’s policies enormously.
Sex party is now Reason Australia…
So now reason requires sex?
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:
furious said:Science party is now part of FUSION and the sex party merged and renamed, not sure to what though, it was in the abc quiz…
Yeah, but Fusion also includes a lot of idiots, which stuffs up the science party’s policies enormously.
Sex party is now Reason Australia…
Here they are
https://www.reason.org.au/about
Although they don’t seem to say much about sex now.
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
mollwollfumble said:Yeah, but Fusion also includes a lot of idiots, which stuffs up the science party’s policies enormously.
Sex party is now Reason Australia…
Here they are
https://www.reason.org.au/aboutAlthough they don’t seem to say much about sex now.
They only changed their name to the sex party to get some attention. They were trying to be a serious party before that. They reasoned that “sex sells”. Doesn’t seem to have worked for them much either eay.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:Sex party is now Reason Australia…
Here they are
https://www.reason.org.au/aboutAlthough they don’t seem to say much about sex now.
They only changed their name to the sex party to get some attention. They were trying to be a serious party before that. They reasoned that “sex sells”. Doesn’t seem to have worked for them much either eay.
It may have if they’d enlisted prostitutes.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:Sex party is now Reason Australia…
Here they are
https://www.reason.org.au/aboutAlthough they don’t seem to say much about sex now.
They only changed their name to the sex party to get some attention. They were trying to be a serious party before that. They reasoned that “sex sells”. Doesn’t seem to have worked for them much either eay.
Thanks, didn’t know that.
Their policies did look reasonable.
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).
Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
how is that sustainable
that populist back in Northwest Austria was a bit like that too hey
A Palestinian Muslim by heritage, Mr Khatib said it was not so much his multicultural background that directed him towards the party, but rather his experience as a small business owner in the working-class suburb during COVID-19.
It’s almost a protest vote, and he feels other major and minor parties have little to offer him. “Sometimes in life we need a change. So it’s always been Labor-Liberal. I don’t think anyone looks at One Nation, obviously,” he said. “UAP seems to be more honest actually, you feel that. “There is a sense is my next door neighbour, he is my friend.”
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
how is that sustainable
It’s not, really, on a global scale. Population density disparity contributes to the problem. SA are big-scale nimbys.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
I wondered if it was that.
Think I might vote for them anyway.
Now going to investigate the Australian Federation Party who have a lower house candidate, but no Senate candidates in NSW.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
how is that sustainable
How isn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
I wondered if it was that.
Think I might vote for them anyway.
Now going to investigate the Australian Federation Party who have a lower house candidate, but no Senate candidates in NSW.
I’m having a look at the National Socialists, if they are elected they plan to build a cheap peoples car that everyone can afford, also they plan to build workers cottages by the sea and build a lot of cheap houses.
I haven’t looked at their foreign policy yet.
Peak Warming Man said:
I haven’t looked at their foreign policy yet.
It’s not terribly complicated.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Reviewing my voting options for the Senate, I see that the Sustainable Australia Party has only got a preference from one other party (no. 4 from Australian Democrats).Looking at their policies (https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies) I think I might make them no. 1, rather than the Greens.
Am I missing something?
Is there a reason the Greens wouldn’t have them on their list?
Anti-immigration
I wondered if it was that.
Think I might vote for them anyway.
Now going to investigate the Australian Federation Party who have a lower house candidate, but no Senate candidates in NSW.
OK, so a lot of their stuff looks pretty reasonable, but this:
https://ausfedparty.com.au/policy/covid-policy/
is enough to get them moved down to near last (ahead of Libs, Pauline and Palmer)
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:I haven’t looked at their foreign policy yet.
It’s not terribly complicated.
invade Poland.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:I haven’t looked at their foreign policy yet.
It’s not terribly complicated.
invade Poland.
That’s the first half, and a given in NSDAP policies.
Second half: invade everywhere else.
NSW preferences:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Anti-immigration
I wondered if it was that.
Think I might vote for them anyway.
Now going to investigate the Australian Federation Party who have a lower house candidate, but no Senate candidates in NSW.
I’m having a look at the National Socialists, if they are elected they plan to build a cheap peoples car that everyone can afford, also they plan to build workers cottages by the sea and build a lot of cheap houses.
I haven’t looked at their foreign policy yet.
The blokeswagon I think it’s called
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Anti-immigration
I wondered if it was that.
Think I might vote for them anyway.
Now going to investigate the Australian Federation Party who have a lower house candidate, but no Senate candidates in NSW.
OK, so a lot of their stuff looks pretty reasonable, but this:
https://ausfedparty.com.au/policy/covid-policy/
is enough to get them moved down to near last (ahead of Libs, Pauline and Palmer)
Normally I would put Cannabis pretty high, no pun intended, but here in WA they were the only people in parliament to vote against vaccine mandates so fuck ‘em
dv said:
Normally I would put Cannabis pretty high, no pun intended, but here in WA they were the only people in parliament to vote against vaccine mandates so fuck ‘em
‘Oh no, we don’t trust that Big Pharma won’t try to dose us with harmful ‘chemicals’ under the guise of vaccination.
While you’re here, try some of this drug plant grown in an unknown location by persons equally unknown, of unknown strength/quality, and distributed without any quality assurance or clinical assessment, which may or may not be mixed with other vegetable matter of unknown type or physical effects according to the profit motives of the distributor.’
They are quite well set up here for burgers and cakes and such.
Voting completed.
Democracy Sausage consumed.
:)
fsm said:
Every time a US election comes around, there’s lots of ‘news’ about how people try to convince the American electorate to get off their arses and actually go and vote.
Have they tried democracy sausages?
captain_spalding said:
fsm said:
Every time a US election comes around, there’s lots of ‘news’ about how people try to convince the American electorate to get off their arses and actually go and vote.
Have they tried democracy sausages?
They’d probably go for democracy burgers, or something equally inappropriate.
captain_spalding said:
fsm said:
Every time a US election comes around, there’s lots of ‘news’ about how people try to convince the American electorate to get off their arses and actually go and vote.
Have they tried democracy sausages?
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
Peak Warming Man said:
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
Peak Warming Man said:
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
I got an email from Kevin Rudd, and Julia Gillard during the week.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
I got an email from Kevin Rudd, and Julia Gillard during the week.
Nobody bothers to call me.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
I got an email from Kevin Rudd, and Julia Gillard during the week.
Nobody bothers to call me.
I signed Kevin Rudd’s petition a couple of years back, the one about a Royal Commission into media ownership. I reckon that is where they got my name and email address from.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
I got an email from Kevin Rudd, and Julia Gillard during the week.
Nobody bothers to call me.
Post your number and I’ll give you a call pretending to be John Howard pretending to be John Howard.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:I got an email from Kevin Rudd, and Julia Gillard during the week.
Nobody bothers to call me.
Post your number and I’ll give you a call pretending to be John Howard pretending to be John Howard.
I’d enjoy hearing your voice. You can call me as yourself if you wish.
Michael V said:
Voting completed.Democracy Sausage consumed.
:)
I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Nobody bothers to call me.
Post your number and I’ll give you a call pretending to be John Howard pretending to be John Howard.
I’d enjoy hearing your voice. You can call me as yourself if you wish.
Bogsnorkler said:
obviously we want a Real Man in charge so that would be <== that one
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Post your number and I’ll give you a call pretending to be John Howard pretending to be John Howard.
I’d enjoy hearing your voice. You can call me as yourself if you wish.
We’ll ask transition to call you. I’m sure he will have interesting things to say.
I’d probably sit there going, eh? what’s that you said?
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Voting completed.Democracy Sausage consumed.
:)
I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
obviously we want a Real Man in charge so that would be <== that one
You mean the bloke who doesn’t know the difference between soccer and rugger?
Tamb said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Voting completed.Democracy Sausage consumed.
:)
I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.
I take all their leaflets and promptly place them in the recycling bin.
Tamb said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
Voting completed.Democracy Sausage consumed.
:)
I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.
Surely lots of people do that, don’t they?
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.I take all their leaflets and promptly place them in the recycling bin.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.Surely lots of people do that, don’t they?
Tamb said:
I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I got a phone call from John Howard yesterday.
Doesn’t get much better than that.
I got an email from Kevin Rudd, and Julia Gillard during the week.
That was nice of them.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.
Surely lots of people do that, don’t they?
Mental lists maybe.
Well I’ve printed out the local Greenies how to vote list, and added my preferences.
Bogsnorkler said:
LOL
fsm said:
Let’s not count the poultry before it escapes from the confines of the shell.
We have to remember the Australia electorate’s propensity for saying one thing and then doing another.
Were it not so, we would have had a non-L/NP government since 2018.
captain_spalding said:
fsm said:
Let’s not count the poultry before it escapes from the confines of the shell.
We have to remember the Australia electorate’s propensity for saying one thing and then doing another.
Were it not so, we would have had a non-L/NP government since 2018.
OTOH, last time the swing back to Libs over the last few days was much more pronounced, and the final predicted margin was smaller.
Also the Labs did have policies that would cost many potential swinging voters money, which is probably not a good idea just before an election.
https://democracysausage.org/
sibeen said:
https://democracysausage.org/
Our village just gets a question mark, ditto Ross.
sibeen said:
https://democracysausage.org/
Post your pics of your democracy sausage.
sibeen said:
https://democracysausage.org/
No BBQ set up at my local this morning. Maybe I went too early. Maybe they are not doing it this time around because of Covid.
I took pictures of the democracy deserts just to check whether the boss lady wanted anything
dv said:
I took pictures of the democracy deserts just to check whether the boss lady wanted anything
That’s an appealing spread.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
Woodie said:I think we should be very proud of democratic environment. Where you can go and vote and put the very one you absolutely don’t want, last. With impunity, no intimidation, or fear of getting locked up or shot. An environment where we have the choice to put someone last, from a decent list of alternatives.
Where the only intimidation as to who you vote for, is a little old lady, in an emblazoned Tshirt, sitting in her camp chair, doing her knitting and saying “are you voting today?” and shoving a colourful pamphlet in your hand.
I confused them this morning. Told them I had my own list thank you.Surely lots of people do that, don’t they?
Buffy and Sibeen ain’t people
dv said:
I took pictures of the democracy deserts just to check whether the boss lady wanted anything
Who did she advise you vote for?
sarahs mum said:
Mine too!
https://expressdigest.com/election-2022-people-smugglers-intercepted-by-sri-lanka-amid-warnings-more-will-come-to-australia/
Interesting.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://expressdigest.com/election-2022-people-smugglers-intercepted-by-sri-lanka-amid-warnings-more-will-come-to-australia/Interesting.
Sri Lanka is facing famine and collapse of the central government. They need a lot of help.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://expressdigest.com/election-2022-people-smugglers-intercepted-by-sri-lanka-amid-warnings-more-will-come-to-australia/Interesting.
Sri Lanka is facing famine and collapse of the central government. They need a lot of help.
On the abc news It was said that a leak suggests that the Sri Lankan police loaded them onto the boats and allowed them to set off before going out to bring them back. Suggesting that it was an electoral stunt.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://expressdigest.com/election-2022-people-smugglers-intercepted-by-sri-lanka-amid-warnings-more-will-come-to-australia/Interesting.
Sri Lanka is facing famine and collapse of the central government. They need a lot of help.
Yeah, and quite a bit of it was self inflicted idiocy.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
https://expressdigest.com/election-2022-people-smugglers-intercepted-by-sri-lanka-amid-warnings-more-will-come-to-australia/Interesting.
Sri Lanka is facing famine and collapse of the central government. They need a lot of help.
On the abc news It was said that a leak suggests that the Sri Lankan police loaded them onto the boats and allowed them to set off before going out to bring them back. Suggesting that it was an electoral stunt.
That seems a bit far-fetched to me. It is not like the Australian Government is really at the forefront of investing in Sri Lanka and trying to promote development there. The only time we hear of Sri Lanka normally is when their cricket team comes to visit.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Sri Lanka is facing famine and collapse of the central government. They need a lot of help.
On the abc news It was said that a leak suggests that the Sri Lankan police loaded them onto the boats and allowed them to set off before going out to bring them back. Suggesting that it was an electoral stunt.
That seems a bit far-fetched to me. It is not like the Australian Government is really at the forefront of investing in Sri Lanka and trying to promote development there. The only time we hear of Sri Lanka normally is when their cricket team comes to visit.
Yes. It could not be confirmed, so may well be a scurrilous rumour. However it does seem odd that it suddenly occurs on the eve of the election.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:On the abc news It was said that a leak suggests that the Sri Lankan police loaded them onto the boats and allowed them to set off before going out to bring them back. Suggesting that it was an electoral stunt.
That seems a bit far-fetched to me. It is not like the Australian Government is really at the forefront of investing in Sri Lanka and trying to promote development there. The only time we hear of Sri Lanka normally is when their cricket team comes to visit.
Yes. It could not be confirmed, so may well be a scurrilous rumour. However it does seem odd that it suddenly occurs on the eve of the election.
It’s always happening, but elections don’t.
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.
Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:That seems a bit far-fetched to me. It is not like the Australian Government is really at the forefront of investing in Sri Lanka and trying to promote development there. The only time we hear of Sri Lanka normally is when their cricket team comes to visit.
Yes. It could not be confirmed, so may well be a scurrilous rumour. However it does seem odd that it suddenly occurs on the eve of the election.
It’s always happening, but elections don’t.
They say there hasn’t been a boat sibce 2020.
Do you reckon the Jen has got the suitcases down from the loft at The Lodge yet? Just in case?
captain_spalding said:
Do you reckon the Jen has got the suitcases down from the loft at The Lodge yet? Just in case?
A good way to check is; Has any one counted the number of forummers who have changed their vote from coalition to any other party this time, for the first time?
I know I heard one person say that.
In other news: no democracy sausages at polling booths here today.
Steady rain and a strong breeze were not conducive to the trade.
Hours before the polls close, Australian voters across the country are receiving “news alert” texts stating an “illegal boat” has been intercepted and advising voters to “keep our borders secure by voting Liberal”.
The ABC has received multiple copies of the texts from voters in the NSW electorates of Hughes, Macquarie, Greenway, Banks, Kingsford Smith, Bennelong, Gilmore, Reid, Lindsay and Robertson, as well as the Victorian electorates of Dunkley, Corangamite and Casey.
It reads: “BREAKING: Australian Border Force has intercepted an illegal boat trying to reach Australia. Keep our borders secure by voting Liberal today. https://vote.liberal.org.au”.
The messages were sent around 2:30pm AEST with a link to a website instructing how to vote for the Liberal Party, containing an authorisation.
It comes after Prime Minister Scott Morrison this morning confirmed an unauthorised vessel from Sri Lanka had been intercepted on its way to Australia.
A party spokesperson confirmed the Liberal Party sent the message.
“As Australians go to vote today it is important that they are informed about the choice that is before them,” they said.
Benjamin Moffitt, a senior lecturer in politics at the Australian Catholic University, said the text messages were “dirty” and “reeked of desperation”.
“I can’t think of any time when national security has been used in such a blatant last-minute way,” he said.
Dr Moffitt pointed to the 2001 election and the Tampa affair as a possible precedent, when the Howard government’s refusal to accept the passengers seeking asylum after being rescued by a Norwegian tanker became pivotal to the election.
“But that wasn’t sending out mass texts on the last day,” he said.
“This is a 2001-2004 tactic, just updated with mass communication.”
Gerard Mathews, a voter in Bennelong, told the ABC he thought the text message was intended to scare voters.
“My first thought was, I didn’t think it was from the Liberal Party because it seemed underhanded,” he told the ABC.
“I thought the story was completely made up, but then I looked on the web and there it is.”
A spokesperson for the Australian Electoral Commission said “the website linked in the message is appropriately authorised, which meets our requirements for text messages”.
roughbarked said:
Hours before the polls close, Australian voters across the country are receiving “news alert” texts stating an “illegal boat” has been intercepted and advising voters to “keep our borders secure by voting Liberal”.
The ABC has received multiple copies of the texts from voters in the NSW electorates of Hughes, Macquarie, Greenway, Banks, Kingsford Smith, Bennelong, Gilmore, Reid, Lindsay and Robertson, as well as the Victorian electorates of Dunkley, Corangamite and Casey.
It reads: “BREAKING: Australian Border Force has intercepted an illegal boat trying to reach Australia. Keep our borders secure by voting Liberal today. https://vote.liberal.org.au”.
The messages were sent around 2:30pm AEST with a link to a website instructing how to vote for the Liberal Party, containing an authorisation.
It comes after Prime Minister Scott Morrison this morning confirmed an unauthorised vessel from Sri Lanka had been intercepted on its way to Australia.
A party spokesperson confirmed the Liberal Party sent the message.
“As Australians go to vote today it is important that they are informed about the choice that is before them,” they said.
Benjamin Moffitt, a senior lecturer in politics at the Australian Catholic University, said the text messages were “dirty” and “reeked of desperation”.
“I can’t think of any time when national security has been used in such a blatant last-minute way,” he said.
Dr Moffitt pointed to the 2001 election and the Tampa affair as a possible precedent, when the Howard government’s refusal to accept the passengers seeking asylum after being rescued by a Norwegian tanker became pivotal to the election.
“But that wasn’t sending out mass texts on the last day,” he said.
“This is a 2001-2004 tactic, just updated with mass communication.”
Gerard Mathews, a voter in Bennelong, told the ABC he thought the text message was intended to scare voters.
“My first thought was, I didn’t think it was from the Liberal Party because it seemed underhanded,” he told the ABC.
“I thought the story was completely made up, but then I looked on the web and there it is.”
A spokesperson for the Australian Electoral Commission said “the website linked in the message is appropriately authorised, which meets our requirements for text messages”.
fuck off, this kind of thing only happens in Communist Russia and places like that
sarahs mum said:
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
:)
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
roughbarked said:
Hours before the polls close, Australian voters across the country are receiving “news alert” texts stating an “illegal boat” has been intercepted and advising voters to “keep our borders secure by voting Liberal”.
Right.
The same government that, for the past several years has declined to say anything at all about “the boats” on the grounds that ‘we do not comment on operational matters’ happens to let slip just this one little tit-bit of info on a day which hey! whaddaya know! is a Federal election day.
What are the odds, i ask you?!
sarahs mum said:
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I tried to shuffle past without taking any slips. but they rushed forward….
party_pants said:
I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I took one from each of the majors and each of the major minors. And they were all very nicely behaved.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
Same here, I was polite and chipper to them all but didn’t take a how to vote card off any of them or engage with them.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I tried to shuffle past without taking any slips. but they rushed forward….
They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I tried to shuffle past without taking any slips. but they rushed forward….
They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
They are quite used to people ignoring them.
Bubblecar said:
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
party_pants said:
They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
I don’t mind encouraging them to some small degree. It’s all part of the rich tapestry of what we consider to be democracy. They’re doing what they think is right, and exercising another form of a freedom that we have, and so many others don’t.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
I’m slightly disconcerted. I’d so mentally prepared myself to have at least one, and more likely two, dem. saus. that i now feel a trifle deprived and out of equilibrium.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
I don’t mind encouraging them to some small degree. It’s all part of the rich tapestry of what we consider to be democracy. They’re doing what they think is right, and exercising another form of a freedom that we have, and so many others don’t.
I had more or less made up my mind and decided the order already. so even taking the card from the party I was voting 1 would have been a waste of paper.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
I don’t mind encouraging them to some small degree. It’s all part of the rich tapestry of what we consider to be democracy. They’re doing what they think is right, and exercising another form of a freedom that we have, and so many others don’t.
I spoke to the Liberal bloke and said, I hope we are all happy with the result but there is nothing we can do anyway. We have to put up with whoever we get as it is. He smiled and said, “that’s democracy”.
party_pants said:
I had more or less made up my mind and decided the order already. so even taking the card from the party I was voting 1 would have been a waste of paper.
Here we have bin we put them into, and the party labourers can come and retrieve and re-issue them at intervals.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
The term is less than ten years old.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
I don’t mind encouraging them to some small degree. It’s all part of the rich tapestry of what we consider to be democracy. They’re doing what they think is right, and exercising another form of a freedom that we have, and so many others don’t.
I had more or less made up my mind and decided the order already. so even taking the card from the party I was voting 1 would have been a waste of paper.
It all goes in the recycling bin and it wasn’t you who was wasting paper, even if you accepted the paper.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I tried to shuffle past without taking any slips. but they rushed forward….
They were all in a line along the path. I found once I rejected the first couple of people then all the rest didn’t bother. They kind of put their hand out with a HTV card but didn’t say anything.
Due to the parking situation, I approached the entrance through a garden and completely bypassed the hawkers…
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
The term is less than ten years old.
What times we live in.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
The term is less than ten years old.
What times we live in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_sausage
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
The term is less than ten years old.
What times we live in.
So what are the sausages at Bunnings called? Floor litter?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:I had more or less made up my mind and decided the order already. so even taking the card from the party I was voting 1 would have been a waste of paper.
Here we have bin we put them into, and the party labourers can come and retrieve and re-issue them at intervals.
How quickly things change, you’d have been thrown in jail during the damnpanic if you did that.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:The term is less than ten years old.
What times we live in.
So what are the sausages at Bunnings called? Floor litter?
Bunnings bangers.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:I had more or less made up my mind and decided the order already. so even taking the card from the party I was voting 1 would have been a waste of paper.
Here we have bin we put them into, and the party labourers can come and retrieve and re-issue them at intervals.
How quickly things change, you’d have been thrown in jail during the damnpanic if you did that.
Hand sanitiser was compulsory on entry to the polling place, doled out to each arrival by AEC workers. And also available at the exit point, on a voluntary basis.
are we there yet?
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Here we have bin we put them into, and the party labourers can come and retrieve and re-issue them at intervals.
How quickly things change, you’d have been thrown in jail during the damnpanic if you did that.
Hand sanitiser was compulsory on entry to the polling place, doled out to each arrival by AEC workers. And also available at the exit point, on a voluntary basis.
This time, they wanted their pencils back too…
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:Here we have bin we put them into, and the party labourers can come and retrieve and re-issue them at intervals.
How quickly things change, you’d have been thrown in jail during the damnpanic if you did that.
Hand sanitiser was compulsory on entry to the polling place, doled out to each arrival by AEC workers. And also available at the exit point, on a voluntary basis.
None at the polling station that I went to.
I also wear a mask, but that’s more for identification reasons. Once someone spots me and says “there’s PWM” the orderly line breaks up and there’s people wanting selfies and autographs, it becomes chaos.
furious said:
This time, they wanted their pencils back too…
Yeah, issued at the door, collected at the exit.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
And here. In fact from the number of people saying they’ve never seen a democracy sausage ever.. I think it is an almost mythical beast.
Bogsnorkler said:
are we there yet?
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:How quickly things change, you’d have been thrown in jail during the damnpanic if you did that.
Hand sanitiser was compulsory on entry to the polling place, doled out to each arrival by AEC workers. And also available at the exit point, on a voluntary basis.
None at the polling station that I went to.
I also wear a mask, but that’s more for identification reasons. Once someone spots me and says “there’s PWM” the orderly line breaks up and there’s people wanting selfies and autographs, it becomes chaos.
You need to speak to your security people. What are you paying them for, for God’s sake?
Ian said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Seems the whole nation was facing a general shortage of electoral sausages.
Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
And here. In fact from the number of people saying they’ve never seen a democracy sausage ever.. I think it is an almost mythical beast.
There were heaps on offer at my local polling place…
furious said:
Ian said:
Michael V said:Except here. We’ve never had Democracy Sausages in Rainbow Beach before.
And here. In fact from the number of people saying they’ve never seen a democracy sausage ever.. I think it is an almost mythical beast.
There were heaps on offer at my local polling place…
This should be a matter for a referendum, to include it in the Australian Constitution, to wit:
‘That all Australian voters, wherever practical and possible, shall, on the day of an Australian Federal election, have the opportunity to purchase for such reasonable price as is in line with the prevailing economic circumstances, as many Democracy Sausages (with optional trimmings) as they reasonably desire’.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
Ian said:And here. In fact from the number of people saying they’ve never seen a democracy sausage ever.. I think it is an almost mythical beast.
There were heaps on offer at my local polling place…
This should be a matter for a referendum, to include it in the Australian Constitution, to wit:
‘That all Australian voters, wherever practical and possible, shall, on the day of an Australian Federal election, have the opportunity to purchase for such reasonable price as is in line with the prevailing economic circumstances, as many Democracy Sausages (with optional trimmings) as they reasonably desire’.
Never get through the Senate, the Greens would want Vegan sausages with crushed lentil sauce or nothing..
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
voted at Snug. didnt have to go to margate. there were no democracy sausage dealers. I was rude to a yellow fatso party person.Stopped at Heidi’s on the way home. Played Richard’s new gitar for while. Jammed on ‘bring your sweet lovin.’
I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I just said no thanks, I’ve got my list and waved my A4 piece of paper with my Senate list on it. When I came out one of the HTV people said to me – I admire your preparedness. I told her no one tells me how to vote and never has. She seemed genuinely impressed that I’d thought about it before getting there. And I have no idea who she was spruiking for!
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:I was polite to all of the HTV people. Didn’t accept a single one, and none of them was in any way pushy.
I took one from each of the majors and each of the major minors. And they were all very nicely behaved.
I hope when you came out you returned them all to the wrong people…
:)
No democracy sausage at 8:30am at my local polling place, the work uniform and a determined look seemed to suppress all but a UAP nutbag from handing me a flyer.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:This time, they wanted their pencils back too…
Yeah, issued at the door, collected at the exit.
I take my own pencil with me. I didn’t give it to them…
Well the results are going to be rolling in soon. It’s likely to be a close one and it won’t be surprising if we don’t get an answer tonight. As Green says, if you don’t know by 7:30pm, you’re not going to know this evening.
I’d like to express some gratitude for the fact that we live in a functional democracy. There are some great attributes of the Australian system that makes it responsive to popular will. The Coalition may well get over the line and if that happens, I’ll certainly be disappointed and frustration because it will mean further delays to emissions control and anticorruption mechanisms and other things that I’m in favour of, but at least I’ll know they won fairly. Australia is not like the US where political parties draw the boundaries and state legislatures effect disenfranchisement by putting ten times as many polling stations per capita in rich areas than poor areas, making people queue for six hours to do what should be easy. Australia is also not like the UK where first-past-the-post basically means the Tories can coast forever on 40%.
Even though I’d probably prefer something like the NZ or German style mixed member systems, the Australian system works and is neutrally administered.
Also, I’m glad that there are a lot of things that are politically under or over the radar in Australia. The Libs aren’t to my taste but they aren’t running Republican style antivax or conspiracy theory campaigns. I’m not fearful that 3 more years of the Coalition will lead to an irrevocable erosion of checks and balances or civil liberties. The big wheel will roll on and eventually things will work out.
But I do hope they lose and that good lessons are learned. If not, I’ll still be glad to be Australian.
dv said:
Well the results are going to be rolling in soon. It’s likely to be a close one and it won’t be surprising if we don’t get an answer tonight. As Green says, if you don’t know by 7:30pm, you’re not going to know this evening.I’d like to express some gratitude for the fact that we live in a functional democracy. There are some great attributes of the Australian system that makes it responsive to popular will. The Coalition may well get over the line and if that happens, I’ll certainly be disappointed and frustration because it will mean further delays to emissions control and anticorruption mechanisms and other things that I’m in favour of, but at least I’ll know they won fairly. Australia is not like the US where political parties draw the boundaries and state legislatures effect disenfranchisement by putting ten times as many polling stations per capita in rich areas than poor areas, making people queue for six hours to do what should be easy. Australia is also not like the UK where first-past-the-post basically means the Tories can coast forever on 40%.
Even though I’d probably prefer something like the NZ or German style mixed member systems, the Australian system works and is neutrally administered.
Also, I’m glad that there are a lot of things that are politically under or over the radar in Australia. The Libs aren’t to my taste but they aren’t running Republican style antivax or conspiracy theory campaigns. I’m not fearful that 3 more years of the Coalition will lead to an irrevocable erosion of checks and balances or civil liberties. The big wheel will roll on and eventually things will work out.
But I do hope they lose and that good lessons are learned. If not, I’ll still be glad to be Australian.
This.
But Murdoch…
dv said:
Well the results are going to be rolling in soon. It’s likely to be a close one and it won’t be surprising if we don’t get an answer tonight. As Green says, if you don’t know by 7:30pm, you’re not going to know this evening.I’d like to express some gratitude for the fact that we live in a functional democracy. There are some great attributes of the Australian system that makes it responsive to popular will. The Coalition may well get over the line and if that happens, I’ll certainly be disappointed and frustration because it will mean further delays to emissions control and anticorruption mechanisms and other things that I’m in favour of, but at least I’ll know they won fairly. Australia is not like the US where political parties draw the boundaries and state legislatures effect disenfranchisement by putting ten times as many polling stations per capita in rich areas than poor areas, making people queue for six hours to do what should be easy. Australia is also not like the UK where first-past-the-post basically means the Tories can coast forever on 40%.
Even though I’d probably prefer something like the NZ or German style mixed member systems, the Australian system works and is neutrally administered.
Also, I’m glad that there are a lot of things that are politically under or over the radar in Australia. The Libs aren’t to my taste but they aren’t running Republican style antivax or conspiracy theory campaigns. I’m not fearful that 3 more years of the Coalition will lead to an irrevocable erosion of checks and balances or civil liberties. The big wheel will roll on and eventually things will work out.
But I do hope they lose and that good lessons are learned. If not, I’ll still be glad to be Australian.
Hear, hear :)
Bogsnorkler said:
Mr buffy and I have applied a rather unscientific test of character. The children and babies are quite comfortable with Albanese. And I know there has been jokes about dogs, but dogs seem also to be comfortable with him.
All right, fun and games are over, can we have that FICAC now¿
