… How else could you explain a phenomena such as THIS
Where The Finger of God reaches down from Heaven
to seemingly at random afflict only a few leaving
others often right next door totally unscathed?

the aftermath

OK, OK, OK…
for all you Sciencey Types:

even if you can explain the SCIENCE Behind a TORN~ADO
explain Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change
Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”) in which this deadly
“Act of God” sets up and reaches down From On High year after bloody year.

Jest for the FUNOVIT: Have You Ever Seen the Rain?

Ogmog said:

… How else could you explain a phenomena such as THIS
Where The Finger of God reaches down from Heaven
to seemingly at random afflict only a few leaving
others often right next door totally unscathed?

the aftermath

OK, OK, OK…
for all you Sciencey Types:

even if you can explain the SCIENCE Behind a TORN~ADO
explain Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change
Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”) in which this deadly
“Act of God” sets up and reaches down From On High year after bloody year.

Jest for the FUNOVIT: Have You Ever Seen the Rain?

Random chance really combined with luck and perhaps a more sturdy house.
People really reach for acts of god good or bad

whatever…
but it sure explains
the House Falling onto the
“Wicked Witch of the West” :-D

“I don’t think we’re in KANSAS anymore!” O-8=

It is a matter of a degree or three.

> Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”)

I’ve never understood why believers in God find death so scary for themselves and so sad when it happens to others.
Why is heaven so God Dammed Scary?

In Bible translation news.
I’ve just finished my translation table. 1000 different words to change.
This’ll take a long time.
For example changing “saviour” to “rescuer”, because they have the same meaning but “saviour” comes with a lot of religious baggage and “rescuer” doesn’t.

mollwollfumble said:

> Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”)

I’ve never understood why believers in God find death so scary for themselves and so sad when it happens to others.
Why is heaven so God Dammed Scary?

In Bible translation news.
I’ve just finished my translation table. 1000 different words to change.
This’ll take a long time.
For example changing “saviour” to “rescuer”, because they have the same meaning but “saviour” comes with a lot of religious baggage and “rescuer” doesn’t.

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”)

I’ve never understood why believers in God find death so scary for themselves and so sad when it happens to others.
Why is heaven so God Dammed Scary?

In Bible translation news.
I’ve just finished my translation table. 1000 different words to change.
This’ll take a long time.
For example changing “saviour” to “rescuer”, because they have the same meaning but “saviour” comes with a lot of religious baggage and “rescuer” doesn’t.

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

transition said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”)

I’ve never understood why believers in God find death so scary for themselves and so sad when it happens to others.
Why is heaven so God Dammed Scary?

In Bible translation news.
I’ve just finished my translation table. 1000 different words to change.
This’ll take a long time.
For example changing “saviour” to “rescuer”, because they have the same meaning but “saviour” comes with a lot of religious baggage and “rescuer” doesn’t.

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

Have no idea, afterlife possibility and physics would make an interesting study.
Physics I imagine discounts the possibility as you go from organised energy state to disorganised energy state, unless say the human mind exists in or is tethered to a higher dimension

transition said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”)

I’ve never understood why believers in God find death so scary for themselves and so sad when it happens to others.
Why is heaven so God Dammed Scary?

In Bible translation news.
I’ve just finished my translation table. 1000 different words to change.
This’ll take a long time.
For example changing “saviour” to “rescuer”, because they have the same meaning but “saviour” comes with a lot of religious baggage and “rescuer” doesn’t.

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

transition said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

transition said:

…, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

Really?

If I unerstand what those words in that order actually mean, that certainly is not my experience.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

…, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

Really?

If I unerstand what those words in that order actually mean, that certainly is not my experience.

just core part of a theory, not sure i’d like to make core part of my motivational theory, make it truer than it might otherwise actually be, by believing it to be true

Cymek said:

transition said:

transition said:

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

I think so. Although my father was shit scared of dying. I don’t really know why. Maybe I’ve spent too much time with an emergency worker husband and I’ve also got used to my patients dying of old age and other things.

Which reminds me…I need to check the notices again and take out any relevent patient records. (Three years since I retired. Four more years of keeping the records. Except for the young ones. I have to keep theirs until they get to 25 years of age)

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

I think so. Although my father was shit scared of dying. I don’t really know why. Maybe I’ve spent too much time with an emergency worker husband and I’ve also got used to my patients dying of old age and other things.

I would think no belief in afterlife means you die and you are gone forever but if you think something exists you could worry you are punished by either a sadistic god or you were naughty when alive.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

has COVID-19 strengthened or weakened the understanding of this garbage

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

It’s a bollocky overstatement, yes.

Fear of death plays at least some role in most people’s plans (usually as mature adults, but also as kids if they’re facing enough risk), but it’s not usually fear of death for its own sake.

For realistically minded people, it’s a fear of death intervening before they’ve explored what they feel they need to explore, done what they feel they need to do.

From my experience with people prematurely expecting death, their response (after some hefty internal adjustment) is to revise what they feel they need to do, and to look back upon the journey so far with deeper appreciation.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

It’s a bollocky overstatement, yes.

Fear of death plays at least some role in most people’s plans (usually as mature adults, but also as kids if they’re facing enough risk), but it’s not usually fear of death for its own sake.

For realistically minded people, it’s a fear of death intervening before they’ve explored what they feel they need to explore, done what they feel they need to do.

From my experience with people prematurely expecting death, their response (after some hefty internal adjustment) is to revise what they feel they need to do, and to look back upon the journey so far with deeper appreciation.

I’m more worried about my children dying from something or being killed somehow, don’t care about my own death

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

It’s a bollocky overstatement, yes.

Fear of death plays at least some role in most people’s plans (usually as mature adults, but also as kids if they’re facing enough risk), but it’s not usually fear of death for its own sake.

For realistically minded people, it’s a fear of death intervening before they’ve explored what they feel they need to explore, done what they feel they need to do.

From my experience with people prematurely expecting death, their response (after some hefty internal adjustment) is to revise what they feel they need to do, and to look back upon the journey so far with deeper appreciation.

prematurely expecting death = prematurely facing death.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

It’s a bollocky overstatement, yes.

Fear of death plays at least some role in most people’s plans (usually as mature adults, but also as kids if they’re facing enough risk), but it’s not usually fear of death for its own sake.

For realistically minded people, it’s a fear of death intervening before they’ve explored what they feel they need to explore, done what they feel they need to do.

From my experience with people prematurely expecting death, their response (after some hefty internal adjustment) is to revise what they feel they need to do, and to look back upon the journey so far with deeper appreciation.

I’m more worried about my children dying from something or being killed somehow, don’t care about my own death

I’m in a similar boat. I don’t want to die for a long time yet, but I don’t want anyone else in my family to die before me.

Sounds altruistic until you realise that it’s still my own suffering that I’m talking about here.

If any of my siblings die before me I fear I’ll be too unhappy to go on living.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s a bollocky overstatement, yes.

Fear of death plays at least some role in most people’s plans (usually as mature adults, but also as kids if they’re facing enough risk), but it’s not usually fear of death for its own sake.

For realistically minded people, it’s a fear of death intervening before they’ve explored what they feel they need to explore, done what they feel they need to do.

From my experience with people prematurely expecting death, their response (after some hefty internal adjustment) is to revise what they feel they need to do, and to look back upon the journey so far with deeper appreciation.

I’m more worried about my children dying from something or being killed somehow, don’t care about my own death

I’m in a similar boat. I don’t want to die for a long time yet, but I don’t want anyone else in my family to die before me.

Sounds altruistic until you realise that it’s still my own suffering that I’m talking about here.

If any of my siblings die before me I fear I’ll be too unhappy to go on living.

I think my children have more potential that me by far and to be happy, something I’ve given up on, my mind doesn’t work that way

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

fairly grotesque rendering of broader homeostasis perhaps, intellectually challenging if you wanted it to be

but I wouldn’t take the proposition to literally, too rigidly, given so much just happens to do what it does

Cymek said:

TIME

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine, staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long, and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
And you run, and you run to catch up with the sun but it’s sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death
Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought I’d something more to say
Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
And when I come home cold and tired
It’s good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells

?

My TIME’s run out, my life is over but what have I actually accomplished/contributed?

transition said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why It’s so God Dammed Scary that Global Climate Change Is EXPANDING The Climactic ZONE (“Tornado Alley”)

I’ve never understood why believers in God find death so scary for themselves and so sad when it happens to others.
Why is heaven so God Dammed Scary?

In Bible translation news.
I’ve just finished my translation table. 1000 different words to change.
This’ll take a long time.
For example changing “saviour” to “rescuer”, because they have the same meaning but “saviour” comes with a lot of religious baggage and “rescuer” doesn’t.

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

What really burns me out & up
is fundiMENTALists is that they’re
ABSOLUTELY content to Trust In God
to the extent that they’re willing to sit back
and watch the world go to shit in the belief
that it’s either God’s Will or In HIS Hands that
gives them the excuse to sit back & do absolutely
NOTHING as systems break down and turn to shit

Ogmog said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

Not actually truly believing in an afterlife, heaven isn’t really well thought out.
Only works for people who have a great life on Earth and a loving caring family

what I read recently suggested fear of death was more exploitable in non-believers than believers, might have been the wiki page on terror management theory

What really burns me out & up
is fundiMENTALists is that they’re
ABSOLUTELY content to Trust In God
to the extent that they’re willing to sit back
and watch the world go to shit in the belief
that it’s either God’s Will or In HIS Hands that
gives them the excuse to sit back & do absolutely
NOTHING as systems break down and turn to shit

then why do they have to go out there and try to spread the word and will of this god thing if it’ll happen anyway

SCIENCE said:

Ogmog said:

What really burns me out & up
is fundiMENTALists is that they’re
ABSOLUTELY content to Trust In God
to the extent that they’re willing to sit back
and watch the world go to shit in the belief
that it’s either God’s Will or In HIS Hands that
gives them the excuse to sit back & do absolutely
NOTHING as systems break down and turn to shit

then why do they have to go out there and try to spread the word and will of this god thing if it’ll happen anyway

It’s THE reflexive go-to catch-all response to anyone questioning WHY The BIG G allows X-Y-Z

Like “Why did helet my child die?” or “Why doesn’t he end this Pandemic?” or ‘Prevent Global Warming?”

SERIOUSLY!

What ENDED my LAST conversation with the Local Bible Banger
was, “Then why doesn’t he Stop Covid 19 ???”

“Because It’s God’s RETRIBUTION!!!”

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

transition said:

here it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
“…..Most research done on terror management theory revolves around the mortality salience paradigm. It has been found that religious individuals as well as religious fundamentalists are less vulnerable to mortality salience manipulations, and so religious believers engage in cultural worldview defense to a lesser extent than nonreligious individuals……..”

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

probably is bullshit, to test the idea i’d ask if it’s likely true of all or most or many other living things, and if it weren’t demonstrably or likely true from what can be observed i’d further ask why expect it to be so different, so entirely different for humans

I have a hunch the proposition tends to define what fear is, what it ought be, and in the proposition you have death and fear defining each other, and likely of the real world nothing exact like fear of death exists, though it may feel very much exactly like that if you were being chased by a lion, or whatever, while the threat is immediate, present

and what is lost with fear, playfulness maybe, curiosity perhaps, whatever absences

I think the truth or otherwise of the proposition might be better considered if you imagine a five year old human child stating the proposition, conjure a five year old saying all human activity is driven by the fear of death, it might cross your mind that that sounds like a really messed up peculiarly grownup idea

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Cymek said:

The sad aspect of death to me is the missing out on the potential of humanity when gone, how and where do we end up

More from the wikilink:
“Mortality salience comes into effect, because humans contribute all of their actions to either avoiding death or distracting themselves from the contemplation of it. Thus, terror management theory asserts that almost all human activity is driven by the fear of death.”

That’s complete bollocks, isn’t it?

probably is bullshit, to test the idea i’d ask if it’s likely true of all or most or many other living things, and if it weren’t demonstrably or likely true from what can be observed i’d further ask why expect it to be so different, so entirely different for humans

I have a hunch the proposition tends to define what fear is, what it ought be, and in the proposition you have death and fear defining each other, and likely of the real world nothing exact like fear of death exists, though it may feel very much exactly like that if you were being chased by a lion, or whatever, while the threat is immediate, present

and what is lost with fear, playfulness maybe, curiosity perhaps, whatever absences

I think the truth or otherwise of the proposition might be better considered if you imagine a five year old human child stating the proposition, conjure a five year old saying all human activity is driven by the fear of death, it might cross your mind that that sounds like a really messed up peculiarly grownup idea

>though it may feel very much exactly like that if you were being chased by a lion, or whatever, while the threat is immediate, present

which reminds me of emergency situations, people can suspend fear, apparently respond unaffected by it, instinctive responses, applying intensified cognitive resources, increased force of

Ogmog said:

SERIOUSLY!

What ENDED my LAST conversation with the Local Bible Banger
was, “Then why doesn’t he Stop Covid 19 ???”

“Because It’s God’s RETRIBUTION!!!”

God’s retribution for voting for Trump?

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

SERIOUSLY!

What ENDED my LAST conversation with the Local Bible Banger
was, “Then why doesn’t he Stop Covid 19 ???”

“Because It’s God’s RETRIBUTION!!!”

God’s retribution for voting for Trump?

interesting how thumpers & trumpers have that in common;
…the propensity to swallow big lies hook, line and sinker…
then to fall into lock-step parroting the disinformation

i’d named it here before as “IMproperGander”