Date: 9/05/2022 13:34:14
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1881356
Subject: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

Quite remarkable if it works.

The entire airline industry needs to wean itself off jet fuel over the next few decades – but it’s still buying enormously expensive jet aircraft that are expected to keep bringing home the bacon for more than 20 years. Australian company Aviation H2 hopes to clean up commercial flight by converting existing aircraft to burn green ammonia instead of standard Jet-A jet fuel. To do so, it’s planning to have a nine-seat passenger jet in the air and flying on ammonia by the middle of next year.

newatlas.com/aircraft/aviation-h2-ammonia-fuel-jet-aircraft/

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Date: 9/05/2022 14:04:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1881362
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

Sounds good. I would have assumed more modification than that would be necessary.

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Date: 9/05/2022 14:20:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1881367
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

what will the airport smell like?

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Date: 9/05/2022 14:35:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1881368
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

sarahs mum said:


what will the airport smell like?

White King.

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:06:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1881380
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

what will the airport smell like?

White King.

I doubt it. White King products are based on sodium hypochlorite solutions, not ammonia.

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:08:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1881381
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

what will the airport smell like?

White King.

I doubt it. White King products are based on sodium hypochlorite solutions, not ammonia.

There you are then.

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:09:35
From: sibeen
ID: 1881382
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

what will the airport smell like?

White King.

I doubt it. White King products are based on sodium hypochlorite solutions, not ammonia.

Nerd!!

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:17:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1881384
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

sibeen said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

White King.

I doubt it. White King products are based on sodium hypochlorite solutions, not ammonia.

Nerd!!

I wear that label with pride.

:)

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:20:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1881385
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

what will the airport smell like?

White King.

I doubt it. White King products are based on sodium hypochlorite solutions, not ammonia.

yep.

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:35:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1881386
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

so what it will actually smell like, is that corner of the emergency fire exit stairwell that the hobo was using

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:39:51
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1881388
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

SCIENCE said:


so what it will actually smell like, is that corner of the emergency fire exit stairwell that the hobo was using

Is that the unemployed homeless man with a touch of dysentery?

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Date: 9/05/2022 15:43:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1881389
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

PermeateFree said:


SCIENCE said:

so what it will actually smell like, is that corner of the emergency fire exit stairwell that the hobo was using

Is that the unemployed homeless man with a touch of dysentery?

or his cat?

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Date: 9/05/2022 17:16:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1881415
Subject: re: First ammonia-powered jet flight in 2023

What is green ammonia?

Ammonia is a pungent gas that is widely used to make agricultural fertilisers. Green ammonia production is where the process of making ammonia is 100% renewable and carbon-free.

One way of making green ammonia is by using hydrogen from water electrolysis and nitrogen separated from the air. These are then fed into the Haber process (also known as Haber-Bosch), all powered by sustainable electricity. In the Haber process, hydrogen and nitrogen are reacted together at high temperatures and pressures to produce ammonia, NH3.

However, the process of making ammonia is currently not a “green” process. It is most commonly made from methane, water and air, using steam methane reforming (SMR) (to produce the hydrogen) and the Haber process. Approximately 90% of the carbon dioxide produced is from the SMR process. This process consumes a lot of energy and produces around 1.8% of global carbon dioxide emissions.

Decarbonisation of ammonia production

Reducing the amount of carbon dioxide produced during the ammonia manufacturing process is critical to achieve net-zero targets by 2050. The best way to reduce carbon emissions when making ammonia is to use low-carbon hydrogen.

The most likely short-term options for creating carbon-free hydrogen at scale are blue hydrogen and green hydrogen:

Blue hydrogen is where carbon emissions from the steam methane reforming (SMR) process are captured and stored (CCS). Green hydrogen is produced using water electrolysis to generate hydrogen and oxygen, using sustainable electricity in the process.

read more about how low-carbon hydrogen is produced at scale

What’s the future for green ammonia?

The production of green ammonia could offer further options in the transition to net-zero carbon dioxide emissions. These include:

Energy storage – ammonia is easily stored in bulk as a liquid at modest pressures (10-15 bar) or refrigerated to -33°C. This makes it an ideal chemical store for renewable energy. There is an existing distribution network, in which ammonia is stored in large refrigerated tanks and transported around the world by pipes, road tankers and ships. Zero-carbon fuel – ammonia can be burnt in an engine or used in a fuel cell to produce electricity. When used, ammonia’s only by-products are water and nitrogen. The maritime industry is likely to be an early adopter, replacing the use of fuel oil in marine engines. Hydrogen carrier – there are applications where hydrogen gas is used (e.g. in PEM fuel cells), however hydrogen is difficult and expensive to store in bulk (needing cryogenic tanks or high-pressure cylinders). Ammonia is easier and cheaper to store, and transport and it can be readily “cracked” and purified to give hydrogen gas when required.

https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/low-carbon-energy-programme/green-ammonia/

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